From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 1 15:33:23 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA02354; Thu, 1 Jan 1998 15:33:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA04876; Thu, 1 Jan 1998 15:32:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA22915; Thu, 1 Jan 1998 15:32:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.121] (unverified [207.226.128.121]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Thu, 01 Jan 1998 15:36:53 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: BMW Funduro Date: Thu, 1 Jan 98 15:32:31 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Karl Rosenbaum" , "Slawson, Kurt" , "dc-cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >The ST (strada) is >not going to be imported to the states in 98 (maybe they are not going to >make it anymore). Of course, anyone can make their own strada. Get the Funduro, put on the lowering kit, get the smaller screen, and change the tires. -George From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 1 15:33:23 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA02351; Thu, 1 Jan 1998 15:33:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA04872; Thu, 1 Jan 1998 15:32:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA22910; Thu, 1 Jan 1998 15:32:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.121] (unverified [207.226.128.121]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Thu, 01 Jan 1998 15:36:50 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: RE: argh.. Date: Thu, 1 Jan 98 15:32:29 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > Scares me that I'm going to be like these drivers around here. You keep >seeing people get away with being rude and crazy so you naturally want to >get away with it too. Wouldn't it be nice if it were the good drivers that >actually got ahead? I think I'm more than a bit different than the other drivers around here, yet on first observation to an outsider, I wouldn't be. I drive fast (not as fast as I used to) and think nothing of changing lanes to get around... I don't know... minivans stuck doing 55 in the left lane? Riding the roads is little short of war. I look out for the safety of myself and my vehicle first (hence the fact that I might do 50 in a loaded down truck on the same stretch of highway I'd do 75+ on the bike). Second is getting to my destination as quick as possible. All other considerations are secondary. I cruise as far to the right as I can (letting truly insane people zip along in the left lane, IOW, the way it is supposed to work) I think you are confusing good drivers with courteous drivers, two things that don't *always* go hand in hand. ``` (o o) *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| *--------------------------oooO------------* |__||__| || || ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 1 15:33:23 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA02355; Thu, 1 Jan 1998 15:33:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA04881; Thu, 1 Jan 1998 15:32:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA22919; Thu, 1 Jan 1998 15:32:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.121] (unverified [207.226.128.121]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Thu, 01 Jan 1998 15:36:54 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: RE: Polar Bear Run Date: Thu, 1 Jan 98 15:32:33 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Just wanted to wish all who are going on the PARR Polar Bear Run well and >I'll be thinking of all of you and wishing I could be freezing my butt off >with you. Ditto here. Plus I slept in late for a change. Soon, it's off to the parents house to start fettling the suspension on the Kawasaki in a nice heated garage (because we know there's not **it on TV today unless you worship on the holy alter of college sports) -George From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 1 15:33:24 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA02353; Thu, 1 Jan 1998 15:33:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA04883; Thu, 1 Jan 1998 15:32:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA22922; Thu, 1 Jan 1998 15:32:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.121] (unverified [207.226.128.121]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Thu, 01 Jan 1998 15:36:56 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: BMW Funduro Date: Thu, 1 Jan 98 15:32:35 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Slawson, Kurt" , "dc-cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > Has anyone out there had any experience with the BMW F650 (aka the >Funduro)? I'm not in the market to buy one---just curious. I looked them over before buying the R850R in October. I might switch from four cylinders to two, but not to one:) Seriously though, I've wanted to test ride one, but I was intent on a boxer twin, so I didn't get around to it. Since buying the R, every time I've been to the BMW shop, it's either been with not enough time to test ride anything, or with the girlfriend not wanting to stay around long enough:) It's a really neat bike, but I'd also have to ride the aprilia Pegaso (same bike, different marque) if I were in the market. ``` (o o) *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| *--------------------------oooO------------* |__||__| || || ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 1 20:18:45 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA04321; Thu, 1 Jan 1998 20:18:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA07178; Thu, 1 Jan 1998 20:18:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA25382; Thu, 1 Jan 1998 20:18:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from server4.illuminet.net by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA23267; Thu, 1 Jan 1998 20:18:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from mbegeman (cust046.quantico.illuminet.net [209.44.72.46]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA24503 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 1998 20:19:06 -0500 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19980101201738.0067cab4@illuminet.net> X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 20:17:38 +0000 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Leon Begeman Subject: PARR Polar Bear Route The 1998 PARR Polar Bear ride was great fun. I rode with Horkster, Chris Norloff and Jim Furlong. I met many people on the ride, Karl with his brown K-LT, and Tim Morrow on his VX800 are the only two I can recall from the list. I'm certain that I've left several of you out. Here is the route for the 1998 PARR Polar Bear ride. (Colin, are you out there somewhere?) Start at Loehmann's Plaza, Rt 50 just inside the Beltway. Miles Action Route Int. Miles 0. 0 South at Stop Graham Rd 0.7 0.7 Right at Light Annandale Rd 1.1 1.8 Straight at Light Hummer Rd. 1.1 2.9 Right at Light 236 West 1.5 4.4 Left at Light Wakefield Chapel Rd 1.9 6.3 Right at Light Braddock Rd 0.9 7.2 Left at Light Burke Lake Rd 3.7 10.9 Straight at Light Burke Lake Rd 1.2 12.1 Straight at Light Clifton Rd 1.6 13.7 Straight at Stop Clifton Rd 1.9 15.6 Bear Left Clifton Rd 1.3 16.9 Right at Stop 645 (Main St.) 0.3 17.2 Left Clifton Rd 0.7 17.9 Left Compton Rd (no sign) 1.9 19.8 Right at Stop Compton Rd 1.9 21.7 Straight at Light Compton Rd 0.1 21.8 Then Right Compton Rd 2.8 24.6 Sharp Right Bull Run Post Office Rd 1.1 25.7 Left at Stop Lee hwy 7.3 33.0 Right into Wendy's Parking Lot Reset Odometer 0.0 Right 29 West (South) 2.1 2.1 Right 703 (Old Carolina Rd) 2.0 4.1 Left at Stop Washington St. (55W) 0.5 9.7 Left 674 Georgetown Rd* 0.5 10.2 Straight 628 6.0 16.2 Left 605 Arlie Rd 3.4 19.6 Right at Stop 15/29 South 0.3 19.9 Left at Light 605 (Dumfries Rd) 3.9 23.8 Left 602 North 3.7 27.5 Right at Stop 215 6.5 34.0 Left at Light 28 North 2.1 36.1 Left at Light Godwin Dr 2.0 38.1 Right at Light 234 South 0.7 38.8 Left at Light Digges Rd 0.1 Then Left into Kenny Rogers Roasters' Lot To return to Falls Church, you can go either direction on Sudley Road and return to I-66 East. If you continue south, go straight on Sudley Road to 28 North, if northbound, 234 connects with I-66 *At 9.1 miles you can turn left onto 628 and enjoy a short stretch of unpaved road. (you could turn Right at that same intersection and enjoy several miles of Bust Head Road, one of my favorite unpaved roads in the area.) Leon. Leon Begeman (703) 590-9073 13391 Packard Dr., Dale City, VA 22193 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 1 21:29:51 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA04828; Thu, 1 Jan 1998 21:29:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA07781; Thu, 1 Jan 1998 21:29:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA25948; Thu, 1 Jan 1998 21:29:33 -0500 (EST) From: WantA ZX6 Message-ID: <9e930f0d.34ac4fda@aol.com> Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 21:24:24 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Saturday ride maybe? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) I was wondering if anyone was interested in going for an impromtu ride on Saturday? The weather is supposed to be gorgeous. And FYI, by saying this I am not necessarily volunteering to lead. Never done it before and not even sure where to go. Just throwing the idea out. If anyone is interested let me know! Jack TL1000 (green lizard) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 1 23:49:26 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA05948; Thu, 1 Jan 1998 23:49:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA08549; Thu, 1 Jan 1998 23:49:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA27432; Thu, 1 Jan 1998 23:49:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.141] (unverified [207.226.128.141]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Thu, 01 Jan 1998 23:53:39 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: RE: argh.. Date: Thu, 1 Jan 98 23:49:17 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Alan Lapp" , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >I'm not one to give people the benefit of the doubt, but I can say that >since I have rather large feet, and prefer sports cars, that it is possible >to inadvertently depress the brake pedal just enough to activate the brake >lights.... No points there. I'm 6'1", size 13 shoes, and drive a Miata. Haven't missed the clutch or inadvertantly hit the brakes in 10,000 miles. ``` (o o) *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| *--------------------------oooO------------* |__||__| || || ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 2 02:27:55 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA07429; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 02:27:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA12859; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 02:27:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA01449; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 02:27:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.107] (unverified [207.226.128.107]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Fri, 02 Jan 1998 02:32:12 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Saturday ride maybe? Date: Fri, 2 Jan 98 02:27:44 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "WantA ZX6" , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" I'm up for a ride. Plus, my girlfriend's been bugging for a ride since we looked at the Xmas lights in DC. (And she's not sick this time.) So, unless I head down to Morton's to pick up accessory socket number 2 (an auxilliary one, not a replacement. I want electrics also:) ``` (o o) *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| *--------------------------oooO------------* |__||__| || || ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 2 02:27:57 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA07434; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 02:27:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA12863; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 02:27:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA01453; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 02:27:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA24846; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 02:27:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.107] (unverified [207.226.128.107]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Fri, 02 Jan 1998 02:32:13 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: PARR Polar Bear Route Date: Fri, 2 Jan 98 02:27:45 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Leon Begeman" , Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Tim Morrow on his VX800 VX800=Marauder, right? -George From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 2 05:19:53 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id FAA08639; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 05:19:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id FAA13639; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 05:19:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id FAA02833; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 05:19:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.erols.com by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id FAA26854; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 05:19:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from krosenba.erols.com (man-as1s53.erols.com [207.172.73.53]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id FAA23510; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 05:23:12 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980102051742.007c4100@pop.erols.com> X-Sender: krosenba@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 05:17:42 -0500 To: Leon Begeman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Karl Rosenbaum Subject: Re: PARR Polar Bear Route In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19980101201738.0067cab4@illuminet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:17 PM 01/01/1998 +0000, Leon Begeman wrote: >The 1998 PARR Polar Bear ride was great fun. I rode with Horkster, Chris >Norloff and Jim Furlong. I met many people on the ride, Karl with his brown >K-LT, and Tim Morrow on his VX800 are the only two I can recall from the >list. I'm certain that I've left several of you out. Yep I enjoyed it also. Was real glad that the cold of mine that has been kicking my butt was a little better! Glad that I picked up my new overpants also. The ride was great - despite one thing. I left my wallet at the Sign of the Whale. Did not notice that I was missing it until the half-way point. Called my wife and found out that one of the riders would return it to me at the stop point in Manassas. BJ Frank, was rolling up as I did and she had it. Now if this had happened during any other event (other than a MC ride) I doubt that I would have gotten it back (or at least as quickly as I did). Don't know if BJ is on the list, but I would like to thank her once again. I was talking to one of the PARR organizers after the run and found out that there were about 160 people that signed up; but there was no where near that many at the end. Karl Rosenbaum 88 BMW K100LT "grandpa" Woodbridge, VA http://www.erols.com/krosenba From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 2 08:40:19 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA09603; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 08:40:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA14883; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 08:40:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA03874; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 08:40:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from server4.illuminet.net by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA27232; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 08:40:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from illuminet.net (aln-63-192.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.192]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id IAA06026; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 08:40:59 -0500 Message-ID: <34ACEE11.208188C7@illuminet.net> Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 08:39:29 -0500 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Karl Rosenbaum CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: PARR Polar Bear Route References: <3.0.5.32.19980102051742.007c4100@pop.erols.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Great story on the wallet! I think bikers are more likely (IMHO) to treat you right than almost any other identifiable group of people. On my ride yesterday, I lost the cord between my helmet and radio (it wasn't being used at the time) and somebody picked it up and asked who lost it at the first stop at Wendy's. I got it back almost as soon as I realized I had lost it. To be fair to the people who didn't finish the ride -- it was very cold yesterday. As Polar Bear Rides go, that was one of the colder ones, there have been a lot of them that were warmer than yesterday. The roads were good, except for one patch of ice that covered the entire lane on 29 near the Manassas Battlefield. Leon. Karl Rosenbaum wrote: > At 08:17 PM 01/01/1998 +0000, Leon Begeman wrote: > >The 1998 PARR Polar Bear ride was great fun. I rode with Horkster, Chris > >Norloff and Jim Furlong. I met many people on the ride, Karl with his brown > >K-LT, and Tim Morrow on his VX800 are the only two I can recall from the > >list. I'm certain that I've left several of you out. > > Yep I enjoyed it also. Was real glad that the cold of mine that has been > kicking my butt was a little better! Glad that I picked up my new > overpants also. > > The ride was great - despite one thing. I left my wallet at the Sign of > the Whale. Did not notice that I was missing it until the half-way point. > Called my wife and found out that one of the riders would return it to me > at the stop point in Manassas. BJ Frank, was rolling up as I did and she > had it. Now if this had happened during any other event (other than a MC > ride) I doubt that I would have gotten it back (or at least as quickly as I > did). Don't know if BJ is on the list, but I would like to thank her once > again. > > I was talking to one of the PARR organizers after the run and found out > that there were about 160 people that signed up; but there was no where > near that many at the end. > > Karl Rosenbaum > 88 BMW K100LT "grandpa" > Woodbridge, VA > http://www.erols.com/krosenba From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 2 09:27:28 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA09924; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 09:27:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA15202; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 09:27:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA04206; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 09:27:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA26021; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 09:27:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id JAA29787 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 09:26:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid02.mcit.com [166.37.221.14]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id JAA11456 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 09:26:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from mci.com ([166.32.114.127]) by imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with ESMTP id <19980102142647.GBIG28757@XXXXXX> for ; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 08:26:47 -0600 Message-ID: <34ACF927.F2BD3331@mci.com> Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 09:26:47 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Reply-To: Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: PARR Polar Bear Route References: <3.0.5.32.19980102051742.007c4100@pop.erols.com> <34ACEE11.208188C7@illuminet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Leon Begeman wrote: > <> > The roads were good, except for one patch of ice that covered the entire > lane on 29 near the Manassas Battlefield. You aren't kidding. Good thing there was no traffic coming the other way, as I was able to follow Chris Norloff's lead and just swing over into the other lane to avoid it. Nasty stuff! I also had a great time on the Run. I was pretty well wiped out after I got home (something about a silly new year celebration the night before inexplicably kept me up late :-) This was the first time that temps in the mid 30's actually felt nice! Compared to the 18 degrees or so when I left the house that morning. > > > Leon. > > Karl Rosenbaum wrote: > > > <> Dale (the Horkster) 1978 Kawasaki KZ1000 LTD 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 2 09:33:14 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA09993; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 09:33:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA15247; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 09:33:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from zip1.ziplink.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA04264; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 09:33:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (holm@localhost) by zip1.ziplink.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA29678 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 09:33:47 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 09:33:47 -0500 (EST) From: Julie Holm To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Testing and Hello Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I've just subscribed, and I am testing out if my message makes it. Hello all! --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Julie Holm (ENTP)| DoD #1604 AMA#397939 UKMC# 0001 VOC# 4672 holm@XXXXXX | 1985 Virago 700 "Maureen" | I'm home at http://www.ziplink.net/~holm NGG Webmistress | Remember the PINK PAGES are always changing (Just and Armourer | like a Nasty Girlie's mind!) | NGG home page http://www.ziplink.net/~holm/ngg/ngg.html --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 2 09:58:55 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA10580; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 09:58:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA15339; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 09:58:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA04981; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 09:58:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from default ([12.68.76.210]) by mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA25300; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 14:58:05 +0000 Reply-To: From: "kevin thomas" To: "George Howell" , "WantA ZX6" , "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: Saturday ride maybe? Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 09:55:12 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19980102145803.AAA25300@default> I could maybe go for a ride! Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 2 10:22:56 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA10867; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 10:22:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA15532; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 10:22:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.clark.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA05317; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 10:22:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from clark.net (louis@XXXXXX [168.143.0.7]) by mail.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA01990; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 10:22:47 -0500 (EST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Received: (from louis@localhost) by clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA25304; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 10:22:46 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199801021522.KAA25304@clark.net> Subject: Re: Testing and Hello To: holm@XXXXXX (Julie Holm) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 10:22:45 -0500 (EST) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) In-Reply-To: from "Julie Holm" at Jan 2, 98 09:33:47 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24alpha3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Oh No!!! The NGG is invading DC-Cycles!! Run for cover!!! Errr, sorry, what I meant to say was Hey, welcome!! Nice to have you with us. Louis > I've just subscribed, and I am testing out if my message makes it. > > Hello all! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 2 10:32:59 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA11055; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 10:32:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA15575; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 10:32:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from zip1.ziplink.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA05516; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 10:32:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (holm@localhost) by zip1.ziplink.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA01973; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 10:33:29 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 10:33:27 -0500 (EST) From: Julie Holm To: "Louis F. Caplan" cc: DC-Cycles List Subject: Re: Testing and Hello In-Reply-To: <199801021522.KAA25304@clark.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Would you like some nice almond scones? Glad to be here. I did subscribe for a while, but stopped when life got really busy. Since I insured my bike this winter, it seemed appropriate to resubscribe. On Fri, 2 Jan 1998, Louis F. Caplan wrote: > > Oh No!!! The NGG is invading DC-Cycles!! Run for cover!!! > > Errr, sorry, what I meant to say was Hey, welcome!! Nice to have you > with us. > > Louis > > > > I've just subscribed, and I am testing out if my message makes it. > > > > Hello all! > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Julie Holm (ENTP)| DoD #1604 AMA#397939 UKMC# 0001 VOC# 4672 holm@XXXXXX | 1985 Virago 700 "Maureen" | I'm home at http://www.ziplink.net/~holm NGG Webmistress | Remember the PINK PAGES are always changing (Just and Armourer | like a Nasty Girlie's mind!) | NGG home page http://www.ziplink.net/~holm/ngg/ngg.html --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 2 11:27:47 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA12130; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 11:27:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA15998; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 11:27:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA06353; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 11:27:28 -0500 (EST) From: WantA ZX6 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 11:24:32 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Saturday ride maybe? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Well, thats 2 people interested. Anybody else? After all it IS supposed to be a very nice day tomorrow. Jack PS-or does anyone at least have any route suggestions? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 2 11:53:14 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA12479; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 11:53:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA16491; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 11:53:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA06685; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 11:53:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA26255; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 11:53:00 -0500 (EST) From: Jinn Sinn Message-ID: Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 11:43:54 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Newbie technical question Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) ok....I was wrong. I was bad. I know. I let my poor little CB-1 sit out in the cold for 2-3 weeks without starting it up. This is probably just my punishment. BUT, I jump started it (cause it needed it) and the ignition caught just fine, but then the engine wouldn't turn over. I tried this for about an hour. Then I figured I had probably flooded the thing so I waited an hour and tried it again, at which point the battery was already low on juice again. HELP! It has gas. It has oil. I had the ignition switch on ;D and the run switch on and the on/off switch on the tank on. I had the choke all the way open. I tried starting it and giving it no gas. I tried starting it and giving it LOTS of gas and I tried everything in between. Can anyone suggest what I'm missing here? Or is it just too damn cold? If you all can get me going I'll be riding on Saturday. HHHEEELLLPPP!!! Thank you! Marcy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 2 13:20:26 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA13614; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 13:20:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA18517; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 13:19:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA08114; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 13:19:58 -0500 (EST) From: WantA ZX6 Message-ID: <4d218806.34ad2f37@aol.com> Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 13:17:25 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Newbie technical question Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Its possible that your carbs are clogged. After sitting for awhile the left over gas in the carbs start to gelatinize.....almost like napalm. Id suggest a good carb cleaning. Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 2 13:28:58 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA13687; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 13:28:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA18621; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 13:28:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA08229; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 13:28:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from goliath.intelsol.com by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA27429; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 13:28:49 -0500 (EST) From: sbeck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.06 (346.8 3-18-1997)) id 85256580.0065FF9E ; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 13:34:05 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: JinnSinn@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256580.0065342A.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 13:34:00 -0400 Subject: Re: Newbie technical question Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Can anyone suggest what I'm missing here? Or is it just too damn cold? If you all can get me going I'll be riding on Saturday. HHHEEELLLPPP!!! Thank you! Your're right. It's just too damn cold. You should be able to get it started with a jump start from another vehicle. Also since it's getting a good deal warmer the next couple of days, it might just start on its own. Another alternative would be a can of starting fluid. A little squirt into the carbs can do wonders to get a reluctant engine started. And finally you have probably seen the discussion about keeping batteries charged with the help of a battery tender. Consider getting one of these to keep your battery up to snuff under any weather conditions. Steve Beck From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 2 13:35:43 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA13791; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 13:35:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA18673; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 13:35:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA08315; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 13:35:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA29474; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 13:35:33 -0500 (EST) Received: by hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD1782.EE73DD80@XXXXXX>; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 13:32:55 -0500 Message-ID: From: To: , Subject: RE: PARR Polar Bear Route Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 13:32:53 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 44 TEXT Dale - where were you the night before (New Year's Eve)? I thought that was you sitting on the couch watching The 5th Element with me? The only thing silly was the movie we were watching. Dale and I really know how to have fun! ---------- From: Dale Horstman[SMTP:Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, January 02, 1998 9:26 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: PARR Polar Bear Route Leon Begeman wrote: > <> > The roads were good, except for one patch of ice that covered the entire > lane on 29 near the Manassas Battlefield. You aren't kidding. Good thing there was no traffic coming the other way, as I was able to follow Chris Norloff's lead and just swing over into the other lane to avoid it. Nasty stuff! I also had a great time on the Run. I was pretty well wiped out after I got home (something about a silly new year celebration the night before inexplicably kept me up late :-) This was the first time that temps in the mid 30's actually felt nice! Compared to the 18 degrees or so when I left the house that morning. > > > Leon. > > Karl Rosenbaum wrote: > > > <> Dale (the Horkster) 1978 Kawasaki KZ1000 LTD 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 2 13:39:44 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA13873; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 13:39:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA18734; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 13:39:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from server4.illuminet.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA08369; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 13:39:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from illuminet.net (aln-63-192.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.192]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA13392; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 13:40:26 -0500 Message-ID: <34AD343F.D71F2789@illuminet.net> Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 13:38:56 -0500 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: WantA ZX6 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Newbie technical question References: <4d218806.34ad2f37@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit WantA ZX6 wrote: > Its possible that your carbs are clogged. After sitting for awhile the left > over gas in the carbs start to gelatinize.....almost like napalm. Id suggest > a good carb cleaning. That's possible, but not likely in only 3 weeks. Any easy check for that would be to drain the float bowls. There is a screw on the bottom of each of the carbs, sometimes the carbs have drain hoses that go down through the frame. Open each of them in turn and see if fuel flows out of the bowl to the ground. If it flows, and it smells like gasoline should, the fuel is probably ok. Old gasoline does not smell like fresh gasoline. I'd try cleaning or replacing the spark plugs first, sometimes when they get wet, they don't want to work. Leon. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 2 13:59:13 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA14415; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 13:59:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA19324; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 13:59:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA08779; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 13:59:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id MAA18332; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 12:55:09 -0600 (CST) Received: from imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid02.mcit.com [166.37.221.14]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id NAA13272; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 13:55:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19980102185508.GQEM28757@[166.41.242.141]>; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 12:55:08 -0600 Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 13:42 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: WantA ZX6 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Saturday ride maybe? X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980102185508.GQEM28757@[166.41.242.141]> When and where to meet. If it is really going to be nice as predicted, I'd like to get out and ride my CB750 a little bit. >Well, thats 2 people interested. Anybody else? After all it IS supposed to >be a very nice day tomorrow. > >Jack > >PS-or does anyone at least have any route suggestions? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 2 14:19:43 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA14691; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 14:19:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA19445; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 14:19:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA09051; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 14:19:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from enterprise.reliacom.com by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA27644; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 14:19:33 -0500 (EST) Received: by enterprise.reliacom.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 14:18:40 -0500 Message-ID: <61390AC07B6BD111AC6F006008A591100665@enterprise.reliacom.com> From: Scot Kight To: "'sbeck@XXXXXX '" , "'JinnSinn@XXXXXX '" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX '" Subject: RE: Newbie technical question Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 14:18:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Word of warning about the starter fluid. a SQUIRT, not a spray, or a blast. a small, little squirt. Unless of course, you like your pistons, and want to hang one on the wall, and dont want to bother with actually taking the heads off to get to them :> Oh, and yeah, jump start the bike. Its probably much to cold at the moment :< (though I guess its like 55 now) Scot 95 900SS/CR -----Original Message----- From: sbeck@XXXXXX To: JinnSinn@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Sent: 1/2/98 12:34 PM Subject: Re: Newbie technical question Can anyone suggest what I'm missing here? Or is it just too damn cold? If you all can get me going I'll be riding on Saturday. HHHEEELLLPPP!!! Thank you! Your're right. It's just too damn cold. You should be able to get it started with a jump start from another vehicle. Also since it's getting a good deal warmer the next couple of days, it might just start on its own. Another alternative would be a can of starting fluid. A little squirt into the carbs can do wonders to get a reluctant engine started. And finally you have probably seen the discussion about keeping batteries charged with the help of a battery tender. Consider getting one of these to keep your battery up to snuff under any weather conditions. Steve Beck From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 2 15:25:24 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA15872; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 15:25:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA20285; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 15:25:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA01592; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 15:25:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from beta.mcit.com by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA30359; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 15:25:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id OAA06494; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 14:23:53 -0600 (CST) Received: from nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (nmta2.mcit.com [166.37.172.3]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA15422; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 15:23:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19980102202352.RJNI6587@[166.41.242.141]>; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 15:23:52 -0500 Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 15:16 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: CC: , Subject: RE: PARR Polar Bear Route X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980102202352.RJNI6587@[166.41.242.141]> Busted! Message-ID: From: To: , Subject: RE: PARR Polar Bear Route Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 13:32:53 -0500 Encoding: 44 TEXT Dale - where were you the night before (New Year's Eve)? I thought that was you sitting on the couch watching The 5th Element with me? The only thing silly was the movie we were watching. Dale and I really know how to have fun! ---------- From: Dale Horstman[SMTP:Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, January 02, 1998 9:26 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: PARR Polar Bear Route Leon Begeman wrote: > <> > The roads were good, except for one patch of ice that covered the entire > lane on 29 near the Manassas Battlefield. You aren't kidding. Good thing there was no traffic coming the other way, as I was able to follow Chris Norloff's lead and just swing over into the other lane to avoid it. Nasty stuff! I also had a great time on the Run. I was pretty well wiped out after I got home (something about a silly new year celebration the night before inexplicably kept me up late :-) This was the first time that temps in the mid 30's actually felt nice! Compared to the 18 degrees or so when I left the house that morning. > > > Leon. > > Karl Rosenbaum wrote: > > > <> Dale (the Horkster) 1978 Kawasaki KZ1000 LTD 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 2 20:07:17 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA19032; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 20:07:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA22426; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 20:07:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA01240; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 20:07:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA30288; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 20:07:05 -0500 (EST) From: Jinn Sinn Message-ID: <3cf24594.34ad8d20@aol.com> Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 19:58:05 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Newbie technical question Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Thank you all very much. I have good news! It started! Todd Peer was kind enough to come by and take a look at it (thanks to you too Kevin for the offer). He accidentally closed of the tail end of the tail pipe by covering it with his hand to see what the fumes smelled like and all of a sudden it started right up. (Jumped it too). I did have to leave it out in the rain for two days so perhaps water froze in the bike somewhere and by this afternoon it had all thawed and drained???? Who knows! We don't. At any rate, I immediately took it out for a spin for about an hour through downtown DC and a little bit on Rock Creek Parkway. Everything is working grrrreat. But don't worry - I have no doubt that I will experience many more technical crises that will require the combined knowledge and experience of you all to fix.... Thanks again Todd I really appreciate the help! One happy biker chick, Marcy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 2 23:36:46 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA20451; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 23:36:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA23669; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 23:36:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA03347; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 23:36:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-29.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.70]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA27020 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 23:36:27 -0500 Message-ID: <00b401bd1801$64125980$3110b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: Subject: Polar Brrr Run Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 23:37:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00B1_01BD17D7.6F62DF00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00B1_01BD17D7.6F62DF00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Great experience! Though rushed, couldn't miss the chance to try the = PARR run and view other and test my tundra-type togs (Motoport Husky can = be a steamer, but very comfortable yesterday) -- some minor tweaking = needed, yet here today with all bumps functioning. Left SoW early for = first half, then beelined back in from Wendy's to keep schedule. = Refreshing and fun. Need some time perfecting "Friendly or Foe -- = shades of roadblack" (just moist, or "snotties", or ice). Tried to = avoid them all. =20 Kept honor intact by not buying (unearned) prior yearbars, though = tempted. Surprised to see a couple of gendarmes tending Rt. 29 on the way back = (New Year midday?) and wondered if this is normal for that route. =20 Bill Swanson 96 Vulcan 500 LTD Downtown DC AMA, + =20 ------=_NextPart_000_00B1_01BD17D7.6F62DF00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Great experience!  Though rushed, couldn't miss = the=20 chance to try the PARR run and view other and test my tundra-type togs = (Motoport=20 Husky can be a steamer, but very comfortable yesterday) -- some minor = tweaking=20 needed, yet here today with all bumps functioning.  Left SoW early = for=20 first half, then beelined back in from Wendy's to keep schedule. =20 Refreshing and fun.  Need some time perfecting "Friendly or = Foe --=20 shades of roadblack" (just moist, or "snotties", or = ice). =20 Tried to avoid them all. 
 
Kept honor intact by not buying = (unearned) prior=20 yearbars, though tempted.
 
Surprised to see a couple of gendarmes tending Rt. = 29 on the=20 way back (New Year midday?) and wondered if this is normal for that = route. =20
 
Bill Swanson
96 Vulcan 500 LTD
Downtown DC
AMA, +
 
 
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_00B1_01BD17D7.6F62DF00-- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 3 01:34:58 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA21830; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 01:34:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA25158; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 01:33:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA04360; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 01:33:13 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id BAA28127; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 01:28:59 -0500 Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 01:26:40 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Testing and Hello To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 2 Jan 1998, Julie Holm wrote: > I've just subscribed, and I am testing out if my message makes it. Uh-oh,Squeakers.The Nasty Girlies are infiltrating dc-cycles.Looks like you're going to have some competition! ;-) The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 3 02:02:28 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA22071; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 02:02:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA25299; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 02:02:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA04676; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 02:02:18 -0500 (EST) From: Jinn Sinn Message-ID: Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 02:01:10 EST To: gnissley@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Testing and Hello Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) IF by chance you're referring to Jeannette and I......all I have to say is that ALL the girlies will unite....MUAH HA HA HA HA HA HA ;D In a message dated 98-01-03 01:45:17 EST, gnissley@XXXXXX writes: << Uh-oh,Squeakers.The Nasty Girlies are infiltrating dc-cycles.Looks like you're going to have some competition! ;-) >> From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 3 02:15:41 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA22172; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 02:15:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA25385; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 02:15:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA04748; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 02:15:30 -0500 (EST) From: Jinn Sinn Message-ID: <509f7405.34ade55e@aol.com> Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 02:14:36 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Marcy's VERY STUBBORN CB-1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) I'm baaaaaaaaack. HELP ME PLEASE! This is making me nuts! I rode the bike for about an hour, let it sit for just under two hours then went to start it again and the ONLY thing that happened is that the lights came on. The ignition did not catch. The engine was silent. Everything was silent. No clicking, no rumbling no nothing. Just my headlight beaming away like an idiot. Battery? (but the lights were on) Starter fuse? Bad karma? Bermuda Triangle riding El Nino into my backyard? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 3 02:24:17 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA22230; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 02:24:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA25416; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 02:24:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA04775; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 02:24:03 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id CAA28289; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 02:19:49 -0500 Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 02:15:34 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Testing and Hello To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 3 Jan 1998, Jinn Sinn wrote: > IF by chance you're referring to Jeannette and I...... Nah.The NGG is a wreck.moto thing(kinda like dc-cycles,only a worse signal-to-noise ratio). >all I have to say is > that ALL the girlies will unite....MUAH HA HA HA HA HA HA ;D I think we'd rather see you all _untie_. ;-) The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 3 03:54:07 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA22893; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 03:54:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA26136; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 03:53:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA05403; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 03:53:17 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id DAA28602; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 03:49:05 -0500 Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 03:46:30 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: 1997 Final Mileage To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <34AA6810.BF36C084@mci.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 31 Dec 1997, Dale Horstman wrote: > With the calculated mileage on my trip home tonight, my 1978 > Kawasaki KZ 1000 LTD will close out the year with 30,215 miles, > which nicely eclipses my 30k goal. I bought this bike in November > of 96 from a guy in Baltimore, it had just under 23k on the odometer. I've only put 4k miles on the Buell since May.Blame it on two jobs and the breakdown. :-P The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 3 04:03:54 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA23019; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 04:03:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA26381; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 04:03:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA05523; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 04:03:46 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id DAA28634; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 03:59:33 -0500 Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 03:50:29 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: argh.. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <9712318835.AA883576641@smtplink.micros.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 31 Dec 1997, Brian McCoy wrote: > And people with 4X4 trucks > sitting on the side of the road as I putt by in my 4x2 with no weight > in the back.... 3rd gear, feathering the clutch. It just amazes me.. > that's all. thankfully my management understands.... OBtopic;my uncle owns some property out in the sticks that he likes to go off roading in.There's this one spot where he's gotten his 4X Jeep stuck on several occations.One night,he heard some noise and went to check it out(w/shotgun,natch).It turned out to be a bunch of kids, in a 2X Blaser,running around through the same spot where my uncle usually gets stuck.I don't know what pissed him off more;the kids tresspassing on his land,or the fact that they didn't get stuck! BTW,something I've noticed about drivers in the Northeast.When there's a long line at a light,it moves when the light is red,and stops when it's green.Weird. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 3 09:17:17 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA24409; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 09:17:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA27450; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 09:16:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA07220; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 09:16:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.137] (unverified [207.226.128.137]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Sat, 03 Jan 1998 09:21:30 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Testing and Hello Date: Sat, 3 Jan 98 09:16:56 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Louis F. Caplan" , "Julie Holm" cc: "DC-Cycles List" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Oh No!!! The NGG is invading DC-Cycles!! Run for cover!!! Oh, darn, I thought I had escaped wreck.moto..... -George From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 3 09:17:17 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA24408; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 09:17:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA27448; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 09:16:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA07217; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 09:16:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA01379; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 09:16:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.137] (unverified [207.226.128.137]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Sat, 03 Jan 1998 09:21:28 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Newbie technical question Date: Sat, 3 Jan 98 09:16:54 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Jinn Sinn" , Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >I did have to leave it out in the rain for >two days so perhaps water froze in the bike somewhere and by this >afternoon it >had all thawed and drained???? If that's the case, go out and buy a cover for it. NOW! :) -George From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 3 10:27:04 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA24711; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 10:27:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA27765; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 10:26:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07661; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 10:26:54 -0500 (EST) From: Jinn Sinn Message-ID: <25ff0135.34ae5898@aol.com> Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 10:26:14 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Marcy and The Recalcitrant CB-1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) ok.....should I run a lottery for who had the right answer? :D:D:D Here's what the problem was: me! well, me and the kickstand being down plus the bike being in gear....... thanks again Todd! see you all out there Marcy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 3 10:28:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA24727; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 10:28:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA27779; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 10:28:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07669; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 10:28:30 -0500 (EST) From: Jinn Sinn Message-ID: <9cf3a660.34ae58e4@aol.com> Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 10:27:30 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Ursulina Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Ursulina, Hi. Jeanette asked me to post and ask for your phone number so the three of us can go riding today around noon. Email me the number if you get this. I'm looking forward to meeting you! Marcy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 3 10:54:42 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA24928; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 10:54:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA27895; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 10:54:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp2.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07847; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 10:54:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from squeakers.erols.com (frd-as1s18.erols.com [207.172.110.18]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA19352; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 10:54:33 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199801031554.KAA19352@smtp2.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, "Gil M. Nissley" Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 10:53:43 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Testing and Hello Reply-to: squeakers@XXXXXX Priority: normal References: In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) > On Fri, 2 Jan 1998, Julie Holm wrote: > > I've just subscribed, and I am testing out if my message makes it. > > Uh-oh,Squeakers.The Nasty Girlies are infiltrating dc-cycles.Looks > like you're going to have some competition! ;-) > > Nasty Girlies? What are the nasty girlies? And hey! Why would they be competition? Id consider them allies for stomping uppity boys gettin too big for their britches and puttin 'em back down on their knees where all boys belong!!!! United we rule!!!!!!! The men will never be the same again!!!!! YEEHAW!!!! Welcome, Julie. Why is he calling you a nasty girlies person? I wanna be a nasty girlie too. I like the way that sounds. :) Gil... I went out trying out my eight wheelers. (roller blades). I had on elbow pads, knee pads, gloves and wrist protectors (all in spiffy psychedelic colors!!!!) ( still no helmet, though) so.. when I fall...do I fall on my knees, elbows, hands or wrists? HELL no. I fall on my ass, and now have a bruised left cheek. Anyone know how to stop or slow down wearing those damn things?!?!/ Wheres the clutch to pull in! Where's the brake!!!! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 3 11:00:06 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA24959; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 11:00:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA27938; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 10:59:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from home.13x.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07899; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 10:59:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from 13x.com (ppp-156.m2-2.ham.ican.net [142.154.80.156]) by home.13x.com (8.8.2/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA25497; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 11:03:03 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <34AE62A4.FF81C1EA@13x.com> Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 11:09:08 -0500 From: Stephen Organization: SDC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jinn Sinn CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Marcy's VERY STUBBORN CB-1 References: <509f7405.34ade55e@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If you've got a loose connection to the battery, yes, your lights will glow, but as soon as you try to get any real current through the starter, you'll kill all the power. I've had this on my hawk. Tighten up the battery connections. A big phillips ought to do the trick. I don't use a wrench as the terminals are soft, and will strip easily. I haven't ever stipped 'em personally though. Stephen Jinn Sinn wrote: > I'm baaaaaaaaack. > > HELP ME PLEASE! This is making me nuts! > > I rode the bike for about an hour, let it sit for just under two hours then > went to start it again and the ONLY thing that happened is that the lights > came on. The ignition did not catch. The engine was silent. Everything was > silent. No clicking, no rumbling no nothing. Just my headlight beaming away > like an idiot. > > Battery? (but the lights were on) > Starter fuse? > Bad karma? > Bermuda Triangle riding El Nino into my backyard? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 3 11:20:51 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA25045; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 11:20:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA28099; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 11:20:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp2.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA08066; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 11:20:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from squeakers.erols.com (frd-as1s18.erols.com [207.172.110.18]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA24257; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 11:20:35 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199801031620.LAA24257@smtp2.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, "Gil M. Nissley" Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 11:19:45 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Testing and Hello Reply-to: squeakers@XXXXXX Priority: normal References: In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) > Nah.The NGG is a wreck.moto thing(kinda like dc-cycles,only a > worse signal-to-noise ratio). > Ok. I just went and looked at the web page for the nasty girlies. Looks like they have the same ideals that I do. i.e. that the pesky testosterone laden beasts (that we all love) need a womans gentle, caring, guiding hand to teach them how to be presentable human beings. And crush those naughty boys that try to flex their rebellious natures until they...too.... learn to be submissive to their betters. (us) kewl. I repeat.. welcome Julie! Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 3 11:55:07 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA25283; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 11:55:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA28199; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 11:54:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA08298; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 11:54:51 -0500 (EST) From: Jinn Sinn Message-ID: <9e95eba0.34ae6cdf@aol.com> Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 11:52:45 EST To: squeakers@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, gnissley@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Testing and Hello Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Squeakers, me and Jeanette are right there with ya! DOWN WITH UPPITY BOYS MUAH HA HA HA HA HA HA Add two more to the Nasty Girlies Gang........ (boys, y'all are in some trouble now ;D ) In a message dated 98-01-03 11:00:11 EST, squeakers@XXXXXX writes: << Nasty Girlies? What are the nasty girlies? And hey! Why would they be competition? Id consider them allies for stomping uppity boys gettin too big for their britches and puttin 'em back down on their knees where all boys belong!!!! United we rule!!!!!!! The men will never be the same again!!!!! YEEHAW!!!! Welcome, Julie. Why is he calling you a nasty girlies person? I wanna be a nasty girlie too. I like the way that sounds. :) >> From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 3 11:55:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA25294; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 11:55:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA28209; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 11:55:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA08302; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 11:55:30 -0500 (EST) From: Jinn Sinn Message-ID: <569adb21.34ae6d47@aol.com> Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 11:54:29 EST To: squeakers@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, gnissley@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Testing and Hello Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Ahh yes it is always a pleasure to meet another woman who understands the way of things......heh heh In a message dated 98-01-03 11:27:05 EST, squeakers@XXXXXX writes: << Ok. I just went and looked at the web page for the nasty girlies. Looks like they have the same ideals that I do. i.e. that the pesky testosterone laden beasts (that we all love) need a womans gentle, caring, guiding hand to teach them how to be presentable human beings. And crush those naughty boys that try to flex their rebellious natures until they...too.... learn to be submissive to their betters. (us) >> From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 3 23:26:21 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA00512; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 23:26:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA05895; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 23:25:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA14846; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 23:25:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA01915; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 23:20:59 -0500 Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 23:10:08 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Testing and Hello To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <199801031554.KAA19352@smtp2.erols.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 3 Jan 1998, Squeakers wrote: > Welcome, Julie. Why is he calling you a nasty girlies > person? I wanna be a nasty girlie too. I like the way that > sounds. :) Now Squeaks,let's not let wreck.moto make inroads here.We get enough flame wars as it is. > Gil... I went out trying out my eight wheelers. (roller > blades). I had on elbow pads, knee pads, gloves and wrist > protectors (all in spiffy psychedelic colors!!!!) ( still > no helmet, though) so.. when I fall...do I fall on my > knees, elbows, hands or wrists? HELL no. I fall on my ass, > and now have a bruised left cheek. Anyone know how to stop > or slow down wearing those damn things?!?!/ Wheres the > clutch to pull in! Where's the brake!!!! We have some guys here that blade.They said you should have a 'bumper' at the heel of the skate.You stop by rocking back on the heel of one of your skates(don't try both at the same time). What's with the goofy colors?All your stuff should be black.And don't forget to get chrome wheels for the blades. ;-) The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 3 23:42:07 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA00612; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 23:42:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA05977; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 23:42:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA15087; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 23:42:00 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA01972; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 23:37:48 -0500 Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 23:25:54 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Testing and Hello To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <569adb21.34ae6d47@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 3 Jan 1998, Jinn Sinn wrote: > Ahh yes it is always a pleasure to meet another woman who understands the way > of things......heh heh Ha-ha-ha.Vewy funny. :-P We'll keep this in mind the next time one of you 'nasty girls' needs our help. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jan 4 04:00:51 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA03201; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 04:00:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA08296; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 04:00:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from germany.it.earthlink.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA02003; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 04:00:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from [153.34.245.164] (1Cust164.tnt2.tco2.da.uu.net [153.34.245.164]) by germany.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA03574 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 01:00:37 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 01:00:37 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: level_5_ltd@XXXXXX Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <199801031554.KAA19352@smtp2.erols.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Alan Lapp Subject: Rollerblading >> Gil... I went out trying out my eight wheelers. (roller >> blades). I had on elbow pads, knee pads, gloves and wrist >> protectors (all in spiffy psychedelic colors!!!!) ( still >> no helmet, though) so.. when I fall...do I fall on my >> knees, elbows, hands or wrists? HELL no. I fall on my ass, >> and now have a bruised left cheek. Anyone know how to stop >> or slow down wearing those damn things?!?!/ Wheres the >> clutch to pull in! Where's the brake!!!! > > We have some guys here that blade.They said you should have a >'bumper' at the heel of the skate.You stop by rocking back on >the heel of one of your skates(don't try both at the same time). > What's with the goofy colors?All your stuff should be black.And >don't forget to get chrome wheels for the blades. ;-) Try hockey pants for your ass. In spite of the fact that I wind up lookin' pear-shaped, I wear'm snowboarding, and they really help. As for stopping: learn how to do a hockey stop. Get all your weight on your rear skate, crouch down, put your front skate out with all the wheels touching the ground (i.e. perpendicular to your line of travel) and *slowly* put weight on the front skate. I'd suggest getting the hockey pants first cuz the first dozen or 2 times you try this, you'll spin out because your front skate isn't pointed in exactly the right direction. Al level_5_ltd@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jan 4 11:52:37 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA05471; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 11:52:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA09621; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 11:52:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA04997; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 11:52:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from michael-a.-cruz (spg-as99s03.erols.com [207.172.35.130]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA24637; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 11:56:43 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: "Michael Cruz" From: "Michael Cruz" To: "Kevin Andrew D'sylva" , "DC Cycles" , "Mary Ann Cruz" , "Brian (California)" Subject: Cross Country Trip, USA Baby!!! Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 12:02:24 -0500 Message-ID: <01bd1932$86fe16a0$8223accf@michael-a.-cruz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Hi All! In two years, spring-summer of 99', I am a planning to take a cross-country trip from Washington DC to San Francisco with my CBR and some friends. I was wondering if any of you had any experience doing this either by car or motorcycle. What is the fastest, safest, least expensive, and most beautiful route to take? How should I prepare? Points of interest, etc... If any of you can recommend a book that does an excellent job detailing a route, please let me know. Of course, if any of you are interested making the trip with us, let me know and I will keep you informed as plans evolve. Please advise... Thanks in advance, Mike Cruz 96' CBR 600/ red-white / neon yellow rim strips cruzman@XXXXXX www.erols.com/cruzman From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jan 4 12:41:34 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA05812; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 12:41:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA09790; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 12:41:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA05508; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 12:41:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (spg-tnt6s135.erols.com [207.172.36.135]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA10962; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 12:45:44 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <34AFD572.7D3F845F@geocities.com> Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 13:31:15 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Cruz CC: "Kevin Andrew D'sylva" , DC Cycles , Mary Ann Cruz , "Brian (California)" Subject: Re: Cross Country Trip, USA Baby!!! References: <01bd1932$86fe16a0$8223accf@michael-a.-cruz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Michael, Unfortuneately all those adjectives don't really fit together... My bet for the fastest route would be to swing down I-64 to I-40 then put it on auto pilot till ya hit California. It's a boring route but it does have some decent scenery. It's dead straight though. I've gone long stretches in the cage without touching the wheel...A well aligned vehicle will just follow the grooves left by the 18 wheelers... Good luck on your trip...Wish I could go (at least half way anyhow....I'm not too fond of CA other than very short visits.) Collin Michael Cruz wrote: > Hi All! > > In two years, spring-summer of 99', I am a planning to take a cross-country trip > from Washington DC to San Francisco with my CBR and some friends. I was > wondering if any of you had any experience doing this either by car or > motorcycle. What is the fastest, safest, least expensive, and most beautiful > route to take? > How should I prepare? Points of interest, etc... > > If any of you can recommend a book that does an excellent job detailing a route, > please let me know. > > Of course, if any of you are interested making the trip with us, let me know and > I will keep you informed as plans evolve. > > Please advise... > > Thanks in advance, > > Mike Cruz > 96' CBR 600/ red-white / neon yellow rim strips > cruzman@XXXXXX > www.erols.com/cruzman -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jan 4 12:57:38 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA05933; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 12:57:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA09852; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 12:57:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from sidewinder.s3i.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA05623; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 12:57:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from sidewinder.s3i.com (root@localhost) by sidewinder.s3i.com with ESMTP id MAA00941; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 12:57:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from elmo.s3i.com (elmo.s3i.com [10.1.0.2]) by sidewinder.s3i.com with SMTP id MAA00937; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 12:57:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by elmo.s3i.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id MAA07699; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 12:57:27 -0500 Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 12:57:26 -0500 (EST) From: "Clark E. Dorman" X-Sender: dorman@elmo To: Alan Lapp cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Rollerblading In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII How we got on rollerblading, I can't imagine, but here goes. I haven't been riding the motorcycle because I broke my leg (again). I was hoping that the weather would be terrible so I wouldn't feel bad about not riding, but of course, this is the nicest winter I've ever seen. My brother has very graciously borrowed my old BMW to make sure that it gets ridden every once in a while. On Sun, 4 Jan 1998, Alan Lapp wrote: > >> Gil... I went out trying out my eight wheelers. (roller > >> blades). I had on elbow pads, knee pads, gloves and wrist > >> protectors (all in spiffy psychedelic colors!!!!) ( still > >> no helmet, though) so.. when I fall...do I fall on my > >> knees, elbows, hands or wrists? HELL no. I fall on my ass, > >> and now have a bruised left cheek. Anyone know how to stop > >> or slow down wearing those damn things?!?!/ Wheres the > >> clutch to pull in! Where's the brake!!!! > > > > We have some guys here that blade.They said you should have a > >'bumper' at the heel of the skate.You stop by rocking back on > >the heel of one of your skates(don't try both at the same time). Yes, the brake is in the back. You slide one of the blades in the front and lift the toe. Learn to do this second. The first thing you should learn is to stand up :-). The alternative to using the brake is to do a t-stop. Put your weight on one foot and put the other foot behind you, perpendicular to the line of travel. > > What's with the goofy colors?All your stuff should be black.And > >don't forget to get chrome wheels for the blades. ;-) > Try hockey pants for your ass. In spite of the fact that I wind up lookin' > pear-shaped, I wear'm snowboarding, and they really help. Excellent idea. > As for stopping: learn how to do a hockey stop. Get all your weight on > your rear skate, crouch down, put your front skate out with all the wheels > touching the ground (i.e. perpendicular to your line of travel) and > *slowly* put weight on the front skate. I'd suggest getting the hockey > pants first cuz the first dozen or 2 times you try this, you'll spin out > because your front skate isn't pointed in exactly the right direction. Um...have you tried this on rollerblades? It doesn't work. On ice it works because the skate scrapes on the ice. On cement/asphalt, the blade either catches or it doesn't and it will get ugly. If you watch rollerblade hockey on tv, they can do a hockey stop because of the surface that they are playing on. Asphalt is way too rough. -- Clark From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jan 4 16:42:07 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA07735; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 16:42:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA10753; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 16:41:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA07832; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 16:41:26 -0500 (EST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id QAA05144 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 16:41:27 -0500 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma005140; Sun, 4 Jan 98 16:41:16 -0500 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id QAA20227 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 16:41:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00) id AA883949898; Sun, 04 Jan 98 16:38:20 -0500 Message-Id: <9801048839.AA883949898@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Sun, 04 Jan 98 16:36:23 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: Re[2]: Testing and Hello MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hrm, will this pass like all the other junk that occasionally filters into the list, or am I actually going to have to resort to personal e-mail lists and phone numbers? I guess time will tell.... Brian ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Squeakers, me and Jeanette are right there with ya! DOWN WITH UPPITY BOYS MUAH HA HA HA HA HA HA Add two more to the Nasty Girlies Gang........ (boys, y'all are in some trouble now ;D ) In a message dated 98-01-03 11:00:11 EST, squeakers@XXXXXX writes: << Nasty Girlies? What are the nasty girlies? And hey! Why would they be competition? Id consider them allies for stomping uppity boys gettin too big for their britches and puttin 'em back down on their knees where all boys belong!!!! United we rule!!!!!!! The men will never be the same again!!!!! YEEHAW!!!! Welcome, Julie. Why is he calling you a nasty girlies person? I wanna be a nasty girlie too. I like the way that sounds. :) >> From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jan 4 16:43:32 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA07749; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 16:43:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA10777; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 16:43:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA07861; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 16:43:25 -0500 (EST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id QAA05204 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 16:43:26 -0500 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma005202; Sun, 4 Jan 98 16:43:18 -0500 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id QAA20231 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 16:43:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00) id AA883950022; Sun, 04 Jan 98 16:40:22 -0500 Message-Id: <9801048839.AA883950022@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Sun, 04 Jan 98 16:40:15 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: Re: Rollerblading MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ As for stopping: learn how to do a hockey stop. Get all your weight on your rear skate, crouch down, put your front skate out with all the wheels touching the ground (i.e. perpendicular to your line of travel) and *slowly* put weight on the front skate. I'd suggest getting the hockey pants first cuz the first dozen or 2 times you try this, you'll spin out because your front skate isn't pointed in exactly the right direction. Or, do this with the perpendicular skate _behind_ you. It seems to be easier to control spins that way, even if it does taker a tad more effort to slow. I'm not sure how good the wheels are on rollerblades nowadays, but they couldn't handle the shear forces exhibited in the above describe stopping method when I first started (the wheels crumbled). I suspect that tech. has helped out since then though.. Best of luck.. Brian From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jan 4 16:55:49 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA07831; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 16:55:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA10831; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 16:55:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA08057; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 16:55:26 -0500 (EST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id QAA05577 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 16:55:26 -0500 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma005575; Sun, 4 Jan 98 16:55:25 -0500 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id QAA20293 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 16:55:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00) id AA883950747; Sun, 04 Jan 98 16:52:30 -0500 Message-Id: <9801048839.AA883950747@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Sun, 04 Jan 98 16:49:34 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: what a lame problem... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit geesh.. here I am complaining about my bike running terribly. thinking it was because of bad gas, and water leaks.. Hrm, it's running like it only has 2 of the 4 cylinders... well, I finally looked into the electrical side of this problem.. first thing being the coils.. I pull the tank and right on top, there is no nut holding on the ground to my top coil.. I hold it on with a screwdriver and start the bike.. it runs fine, I wiggle it a llittle. hrrmm, it dies. Go fifigure. so, a new nut installed, a little locktite on the threads.. and it'll never come off again. and I pissed and moaned all day today about not being able to ride in this awesome weather.. what a loser... :P Yup, that's me... Brian From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jan 4 17:57:52 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA08743; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 17:57:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA11093; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 17:55:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA08968; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 17:55:46 -0500 (EST) From: Jinn Sinn Message-ID: Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 17:55:05 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Success! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) well...I rode today with Jeannette, Sean and Art out to and around Potomac (don't ask me for details I was only paying attention to my bike :D ) It was a great trip though. My bike seems to have stopped torturing me with it's (ok ok it's me!) little idiosyncracies and i think I *finally* got it into my head that it simply won't start in gear with the kickstand down :D Marcy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jan 4 20:59:51 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA10754; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 20:59:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA14081; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 20:59:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from oak.eainet.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA12104; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 20:59:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from oak.eainet.com (oak.eainet.com [206.136.246.2]) by oak.eainet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA07619; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 21:04:09 -0500 Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 21:04:09 -0500 (EST) From: Peter Hartzler Reply-To: Peter Hartzler To: Jinn Sinn cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Starting idiosyncracies [was: Success!] In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Marcy -- <$.02> Don't know if you've taken the MSF coure, but in it they teach a starting "checklist" sequence -- FINE-C -- That stands for Fuel (petcock), Ignition (key), Neutral (gear), Engine (switch), Choke. It works for me as a very good little mantra both when starting *and parking* a bike. When starting, this ditty will remind me to clear error conditions such as having been forced to park in first gear due to the grade, and when stopping it reminds me to clear error conditions such as when you stop at the fuel pump on reserve. If you haven't taken a MSF course, I *strongly* recommend it. Heck, I think everybody, even dedicated cagers and old-time self-taught bikers ought to take it. Cheers! Pete. On Sun, 4 Jan 1998, Jinn Sinn wrote: > well...I rode today with Jeannette, Sean and Art out to and around Potomac > (don't ask me for details I was only paying attention to my bike :D ) It was > a great trip though. My bike seems to have stopped torturing me with it's (ok > ok it's me!) little idiosyncracies and i think I *finally* got it into my head > that it simply won't start in gear with the kickstand down :D > > Marcy > --- Peter Hartzler Systems Analysis Ellsworth Associates, Inc. ph@XXXXXX (703) 821-3090 x 252 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jan 4 23:07:13 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA11940; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 23:07:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA14964; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 23:06:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA13727; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 23:06:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA06494; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 23:02:41 -0500 Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 22:58:00 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: what a lame problem... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <9801048839.AA883950747@smtplink.micros.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Don't feel bad Brian.I was wondering how to cure the problem of my rear head breather bolt leaking oil.Then one day I decided to try and see if tightening it might help.Guess what?It was only finger tight.Problem solved. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 5 01:26:46 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA13616; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 01:26:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA16900; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 01:26:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA15499; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 01:26:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.141] (unverified [207.226.128.141]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Mon, 05 Jan 1998 01:31:19 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Starting idiosyncracies [was: Success!] Date: Mon, 5 Jan 98 01:26:37 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Peter Hartzler" , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" ><$.02> >Don't know if you've taken the MSF coure, but in it they teach a starting >"checklist" sequence -- FINE-C -- That stands for Fuel (petcock), Ignition >(key), Neutral (gear), Engine (switch), Choke. It works for me as a very >good little mantra both when starting *and parking* a bike. Two bikes, no petcock on either one (not one that can totally be switched off, that is:) And neutral on the BMW? No way:) But, fwiw, I was thinking the same thing. > >If you haven't taken a MSF course, I *strongly* recommend it. Heck, I >think everybody, even dedicated cagers and old-time self-taught bikers >ought to take it. > I was also thinking this. Anybody know when the Beginner course will start in the spring? (For my brother) And ditto with the ERC (for me)? ``` (o o) *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| *--------------------------oooO------------* |__||__| || || ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 5 01:40:19 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA13707; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 01:40:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA16978; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 01:40:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA15634; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 01:40:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from default ([12.68.76.214]) by mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA14316; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 06:39:40 +0000 Reply-To: From: "kevin thomas" To: "George Howell" , "Peter Hartzler" , "DC Cycles" Subject: MSF (was Starting idiosyncracies [was: Success!]) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 01:36:50 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19980105063939.AAA14316@default> George-- You can call the MSF at 1-800-428-RIDE. At least you could last time I tried it....... Later Kevin PS--register asap, or you'll be stuck taking the class on a hot, hot day a long time from now. He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 5 08:09:14 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA16910; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 08:09:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA20291; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 08:08:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from DONALD.CDER.FDA.GOV by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA03127; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 08:08:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from mr.cder.fda.gov by fdaserv.cder.fda.gov (PMDF V5.1-8 #21467) id <01IS0E8SNR748ZG99Q@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 08:07:38 EST Received: with PMDF-MR; Mon, 05 Jan 1998 08:06:06 -0500 (EST) MR-Received: by mta DONALD; Relayed; Mon, 05 Jan 1998 08:06:06 -0500 Alternate-recipient: prohibited Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 08:06:24 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy Subject: Re: what a lame problem... To: DC Cycles Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Posting-date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 08:06:25 -0500 (EST) Importance: normal Priority: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential UA-content-id: E1501IEO1RA9H X400-MTS-identifier: [;60608050108991/2224302@FDACD] A1-type: MAIL Hop-count: 1 >Don't feel bad Brian. Here's another lamo thing. The rear end of my bike has been wallowing about like crazy. So, I've been calling around looking for a shock but haven't had too much luck finding one at the price I want to pay... The bike has about 40k miles on it so I'm sure the shock is at the end of its life cycle. Anyway, after having a seriously bad time getting through a bumpy corner last week I decided to actually look at the bike. There was hardly any air in the back tire... Turns out I've had a slow leak. I plugged it up yesterday and the bike rode surprisingly well on the trip to work this morning. I've still got to replace that shock but it's nowhere near as bad as I thought it was... Kirk uomo senza cervello From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 5 08:11:50 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA16934; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 08:11:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA20320; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 08:11:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA03165; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 08:11:44 -0500 (EST) From: Jinn Sinn Message-ID: <28eb043d.34b0dbe6@aol.com> Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 08:10:59 EST To: ph@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Starting idiosyncracies [was: Success!] Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) FINE-C yes I know! I know! I know! My brain was short-circuiting is all...... ;D In a message dated 98-01-04 21:03:15 EST, ph@XXXXXX writes: << <$.02> Don't know if you've taken the MSF coure, but in it they teach a starting "checklist" sequence -- FINE-C -- That stands for Fuel (petcock), Ignition (key), Neutral (gear), Engine (switch), Choke. It works for me as a very good little mantra both when starting *and parking* a bike. When starting, this ditty will remind me to clear error conditions such as having been forced to park in first gear due to the grade, and when stopping it reminds me to clear error conditions such as when you stop at the fuel pump on reserve. I've taken the course and I strongly recommend it as well. It was great. The teachers were excellent. I even drive a car better now............. If you haven't taken a MSF course, I *strongly* recommend it. Heck, I think everybody, even dedicated cagers and old-time self-taught bikers ought to take it. >> Marcy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 5 08:15:35 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA16983; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 08:15:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA20363; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 08:15:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA03202; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 08:15:28 -0500 (EST) From: Jinn Sinn Message-ID: <18f35aaf.34b0dcc5@aol.com> Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 08:14:42 EST To: ghowell@XXXXXX, ph@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: MSF Course Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) I don't know exactly when it starts but the email for the Program Director, "Lisa" (don't know her last name) is: NVSASSE@XXXXXX In a message dated 98-01-05 01:32:45 EST, ghowell@XXXXXX writes: << Anybody know when the Beginner course will start in the spring? (For my brother) And ditto with the ERC (for me)? >> From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 5 08:24:05 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA17070; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 08:24:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA20477; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 08:23:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from oak.eainet.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA03285; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 08:23:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from oak.eainet.com (oak.eainet.com [206.136.246.2]) by oak.eainet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA10171; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 08:28:30 -0500 Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 08:28:30 -0500 (EST) From: Peter Hartzler Reply-To: Peter Hartzler To: NVSASSE@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: 1998 RiderCourse? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Greetings! I have learned through the DC-Cycles email list discussion that you are the program director for the Virginia MSF RiderCourse. (If this ain't so, then please accept my apologies!) Anyhow, I am very interested in taking the Experienced RiderCourse this year. I also know that other list members are interested, both in the Experienced and in the beginner level course. What is the best way to register for these courses? Best Regards, Pete. --- Peter Hartzler Systems Analysis Ellsworth Associates, Inc. ph@XXXXXX (703) 821-3090 x 252 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 5 08:55:15 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA17417; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 08:55:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA22378; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 08:54:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA03758; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 08:54:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA07411; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 08:54:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.02c) id A6181A501B0; Mon, 05 Jan 1998 08:54:41 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980105083006.009f8220@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 08:30:06 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: PARR Polar Bear Route In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19980101201738.0067cab4@illuminet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:17 PM 1/1/98 +0000, Leon Begeman wrote: >The 1998 PARR Polar Bear ride was great fun. I rode with Horkster, Chris >Norloff and Jim Furlong. I met many people on the ride, Karl with his brown >K-LT, and Tim Morrow on his VX800 are the only two I can recall from the >list. I'm certain that I've left several of you out. Excellent ride! I remember meeting Chris Meier, John Carver, and Nancy Weiss from this list. Started at 18 deg., finished at 35 deg. -- which felt quite warm, actually! I lead our first leg, through a lot of slow-speed twisty roads (I mean, posted 10mph corners!). To make matters interesting, there was lots of salt on the roads, and many wet-looking spots. Of course, at 18 deg., the only thing that could be "wet" would be some very salty water, or ice with salty water on top of it! So I poked along at MY maximum sane speed, and that seemed to suit the other riders, too. Leon took the lead after Gainesville and picked up the pace. The roads were much faster and cleaner. Along there I had one of those glorious experiences that make winter riding so enjoyable. Fields and woods full of snow, a red barn, a yellow house, the sun behind some high clouds providing brilliant but not glaring light ... that was really nice. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 5 09:12:58 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA17675; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 09:12:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA25109; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 09:12:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA04111; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 09:12:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay2.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id JAA11259; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 09:12:34 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 09:11:36 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D34F3A1@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Julie Holm'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Testing and Hello Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 09:10:28 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Hi Julie! I've talked to you before (via e-mail) when I linked up to your Nasty Girlie page! LOVED IT. Everyone needs to check this page out! I'm still waiting to be put on the page myself!! ; ) Any nominations?? - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Julie Holm [SMTP:holm@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, January 02, 1998 9:34 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Testing and Hello > > I've just subscribed, and I am testing out if my message makes it. > > Hello all! > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----- > Julie Holm (ENTP)| DoD #1604 AMA#397939 UKMC# 0001 VOC# 4672 > holm@XXXXXX | 1985 Virago 700 "Maureen" > | I'm home at http://www.ziplink.net/~holm > NGG Webmistress | Remember the PINK PAGES are always changing (Just > and Armourer | like a Nasty Girlie's mind!) > | NGG home page > http://www.ziplink.net/~holm/ngg/ngg.html > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----- > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 5 09:16:12 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA17721; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 09:16:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA25689; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 09:15:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA04212; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 09:15:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com by mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (8.8.8/McCaw V8 version 1) id GAA28339; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 06:15:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id GAA02857; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 06:15:21 -0800 Received: from hq_msg01.nwest.mccaw.com by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id GAA02852; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 06:15:20 -0800 Received: by hq_msg01.nwest.mccaw.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD19A1.4B5DF600@XXXXXX>; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 06:15:18 -0800 Message-ID: From: "Viteri, Ursulina" To: "'Peter Hartzler'" , "'Jinn Sinn'" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Starting idiosyncracies [was: Success!] Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 06:12:00 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 64 TEXT Here, here to touting the MSF course. Well worth a weekend of your time and about $85. If you need details about the course held at Northern VA college, let me know. Ursulina Viteri 202-416-6534 * Fax 202-223-9095 AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. - Washington, DC HAPPY HOLIDAYS! >-----Original Message----- >From: Peter Hartzler [SMTP:ph@XXXXXX] >Sent: Sunday, January 04, 1998 6:04 PM >To: Jinn Sinn >Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Starting idiosyncracies [was: Success!] > >Marcy -- > ><$.02> >Don't know if you've taken the MSF coure, but in it they teach a starting >"checklist" sequence -- FINE-C -- That stands for Fuel (petcock), Ignition >(key), Neutral (gear), Engine (switch), Choke. It works for me as a very >good little mantra both when starting *and parking* a bike. > >When starting, this ditty will remind me to clear error conditions such as >having been forced to park in first gear due to the grade, and when >stopping it reminds me to clear error conditions such as when you stop at >the fuel pump on reserve. > > > >If you haven't taken a MSF course, I *strongly* recommend it. Heck, I >think everybody, even dedicated cagers and old-time self-taught bikers >ought to take it. > > >Cheers! > >Pete. > >On Sun, 4 Jan 1998, Jinn Sinn wrote: > >> well...I rode today with Jeannette, Sean and Art out to and around Potomac >> (don't ask me for details I was only paying attention to my bike :D ) It >>was >> a great trip though. My bike seems to have stopped torturing me with it's >>(ok >> ok it's me!) little idiosyncracies and i think I *finally* got it into my >>head >> that it simply won't start in gear with the kickstand down :D >> >> Marcy >> > >--- >Peter Hartzler >Systems Analysis >Ellsworth Associates, Inc. >ph@XXXXXX >(703) 821-3090 x 252 > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 5 09:23:17 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA17890; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 09:23:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA26562; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 09:23:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from germany.it.earthlink.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA04333; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 09:23:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from [153.34.247.199] (1Cust199.tnt3.tco2.da.uu.net [153.34.247.199]) by germany.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA26910 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 06:23:04 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 06:23:04 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: level_5_ltd@XXXXXX Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <01bd1932$86fe16a0$8223accf@michael-a.-cruz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Alan Lapp Subject: Re: Cross Country Trip, USA Baby!!! (long) >Hi All! > >In two years, spring-summer of 99', I am a planning to take a >cross-country trip >from Washington DC to San Francisco with my CBR and some friends. I was >wondering if any of you had any experience doing this either by car or >motorcycle. What is the fastest, safest, least expensive, and most beautiful >route to take? >How should I prepare? Points of interest, etc... > >If any of you can recommend a book that does an excellent job detailing a >route, >please let me know. > >Of course, if any of you are interested making the trip with us, let me >know and >I will keep you informed as plans evolve. > >Please advise... Mike: This fall, I did almost exactly the trip you describe on my '94 FZR1000. I went south to Atlanta GA, Pensacola FLA, New Orleans LA, Austin TX, Phoenix AZ, Los Angeles CA, San Fransisco CA, Yosemite National Park CA, Albequerque NM, and a couple of small towns on the way back. I was planning on coming back across the Rockies, but late October was too late in the season: there was already snow on many of the high passes. That's why I went south directly after Yosemite NP! Froze my ass off in the mountains!!! I was bummed at missing the mountains. So, timing is very important! Go north in the summer, and return south in the fall... if you have the time. It took me 3 weeks, I visited family and friends along the way - I only spent about 7 or 8 nights in a motel. I'd say that the southern route, which is Interstate 10, is a very beautiful trip if you like 'western' scenery (i.e. lots of open spaces). However, I'd suggest that you avoid I-10 between New Orleans and Texas: it's *terribly* bumpy. Austin is a beautiful city, in fact, I do believe that I'm going to move there someday. Highly recommended: university town, good culture, awesome music scene, great food, georgeous scenery, and some of the finest riding I've ever experienced in the Hill Country. Try to get there for 2-3 days over a weekend. It was the best stop in my trip! As far as expense, everything on I-10 is high, altho being from the DC area, I didn't find prices terribly objectionable in most areas, but did pay $1.96/gal for a tankfull of premium in AZ. Camping is really the cheapest way, but you should investigate availability beforehand, perhaps a membership in KOA. Many campgrounds and motels in tourist areas close in late October. BTW: there is such a thing as being too frugal with a motel: for example, never ever stay in a place advertising weekly and monthly rates, locted on the same street as a check cashing service or place that buys aluminum cans for cash. Trust me on this! Best recomendation: join AAA for their map service. They won't tow a MC, but will provide gasoline and a jump start if stranded. They have the best maps available, certainly for the price (which is free to members). Safety: I went solo, but a friend would have been really nice, and provided some peace of mind. Don't try to put in too many miles in one day. I went as high as 900 miles, but that was pretty harsh, and somewhat dangerous. I stuck to interstates the whole way, and found them to be extremely safe, with little risk of running out of gas, dangerous pavement conditions, or Persons of Questionable Ethics (i.e. thieves and bandits). I was warned repeatedly about such persons in New Orleans, and have personal experience with their sort in coastal Florida between Orlando and Daytona. Also, try to leave early in the AM, and don't travel at night, mostly because navigational errors are much easier when it's dark. This also facilitates camping! Nothing sucks quite as bad as trying to set up camp when it's dark, and you're beat. Gear: tankbag, soft saddlebags, and a large duffel across the back. Keep packing simple. My gear was held on by two bungies, and could be put on and taken off in under 5 minutes. REI sells wonderful dry sacks (a heavy plastic sack with a roll-down top) for sleeping bags and other moisture sensative stuff like yer undies. They come in a variety of sizes. A CamelBack proved indespensable, not just for hydration: I used the water to keep cool, and wash my faceshield. I took a pretty comprehensive first aid kit oriented towards the kind of injuries most likely to be suffered in a MC accident: specifically, lots of gauze to stop bleeding, and some splinting material for broken bones. BTW: I wore leathers for the entire trip, with only a little short sleeve riding when temps exceeded 90 in the desert. Also, don't pack your gear full: it expands on the road. Tools: know your bike, and know how to fix it. Take anything (which may mean spare parts) you'd need to repair common ailments on your bike. The most common problem is broken levers and flat tires. I didn't take any special tools or parts, but would recommend taking a can of fix-a-flat. It's not like you're going to be able to fix a broken trans on the road, so keep that in mind when packing: tools weigh a lot! And, my favorite suggestion: don't be shy about buying souviners: you can always ship them home by mail! My best friend and I are planning on riding to Alaska in the summer of 99... keep me posted as to your plans. Perhaps some portion of our ride can overlap! Al level_5_ltd@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 5 09:36:09 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA18045; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 09:36:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA27554; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 09:36:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA04552; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 09:35:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id IAA16118; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 08:35:27 -0600 (CST) Received: from nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (nmta2.mcit.com [166.37.172.3]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id JAA07860; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 09:35:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19980105143526.WECI6587@[166.41.242.141]>; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 09:35:26 -0500 Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 09:15 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: George Howell CC: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Saturday ride maybe? X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980105143526.WECI6587@[166.41.242.141]> We rode Out to Middleburg, Snickersville Tpk, rt 601, rt638 and stopped in Front Royal to yak for about 40 minutes then turned up 55 to home. Brian took off for more riding at Plains. Me Brian Collin The roads suck out west (VA) folks. There is sand and gravel mixed with salt, in heavy doses on some of the finer roads. As Collin put it, "it's hard to find your line with just 24 inches of road to work with." It also seemed to get a little colder the further west we went, which explains the two slush fields we traversed. I think the winter riding season will need to be toned down to local roads (heavily travelled), or we should hope for a couple of really heavy rainstorms in the mountains. Todd Message-ID: Subject: Re: Saturday ride maybe? Date: Sat, 3 Jan 98 17:32:56 -0500 From: George Howell To: "Todd Peer" >Hey, if your listening >call me at 703.644.2695 > >Brian M and I are leaving in about half an hour. > >Cell Phone 703.909.0978 Bummer. I was cleaning up the mess(es) that my girlfriend's dog left in my room last night. I did make it down to Morton's BMW today. Along with most of BMWBMW (to my surprise). Good day for riding. Where did you wind up going? -George From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 5 09:36:10 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA18050; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 09:36:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA27557; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 09:36:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from germany.it.earthlink.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA04556; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 09:36:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from [153.34.247.199] (1Cust199.tnt3.tco2.da.uu.net [153.34.247.199]) by germany.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA15361 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 06:35:59 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 06:35:59 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: level_5_ltd@XXXXXX Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Alan Lapp Subject: Re: Rollerblading >How we got on rollerblading, I can't imagine, but here goes. Blame Squeakers... she started it. Imagine that. :) I haven't >been riding the motorcycle because I broke my leg (again). I was hoping >that the weather would be terrible so I wouldn't feel bad about not >riding, but of course, this is the nicest winter I've ever seen. My >brother has very graciously borrowed my old BMW to make sure that it gets >ridden every once in a while. Bummer about your leg! I spent my time in a cast last year: broke my ankle on my racebike, then the week after I got out of that, got rear-ended on my VFR. Arrrgh. [Bill Clinton voice] I feel your pain! >Um...have you tried this on rollerblades? It doesn't work. On ice it >works because the skate scrapes on the ice. On cement/asphalt, the blade >either catches or it doesn't and it will get ugly. If you watch >rollerblade hockey on tv, they can do a hockey stop because of the surface >that they are playing on. Asphalt is way too rough. Heh. I have to admit, I'm not too adept on rollerblades. I can't do this, nor skate backwards. I haven't tried very hard, though. One of my best friends stops this way quite a bit. It's rough on the wheels: he goes through 2 sets per summer, even with rotating them. We also aren't street skaters, we primarily play hockey, and as such, don't have the brakes: it makes crossovers hard. Al level_5_ltd@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 5 13:00:41 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA21671; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 13:00:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA02361; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 13:00:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA10234; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 13:00:13 -0500 (EST) From: WantA ZX6 Message-ID: <3ef2c20c.34b11cf8@aol.com> Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 12:48:37 EST To: suzuki-l@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Synthetic Oil....how???? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) I just passed 5000 miles on my TL and want to switch to synthetic oil. Can anyone give me a step by step "guide" on how to properly do it? I have heard that it is bad for synthetics to mix with leftover petroleum oil. Fact or fiction? Also, what weight should I use? Suggestions on brands? Thanks Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 5 13:23:25 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA22049; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 13:23:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA03050; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 13:23:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from dadc012.army.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA10843; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 13:23:16 -0500 (EST) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 13:25:27 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: WantA ZX6 , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Synthetic Oil....how???? Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 13:26:22 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Jack, check out this site for a lot of good info on Mobil One and basics about synthetics: http://www.mobil.com/consumer/mobil1/mobil1/mobil1faq.html Glenn Dysart DysarGB@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna > I just passed 5000 miles on my TL and want to switch to synthetic oil. > Can > anyone give me a step by step "guide" on how to properly do it? I > have heard > that it is bad for synthetics to mix with leftover petroleum oil. > Fact or > fiction? Also, what weight should I use? Suggestions on brands? > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 5 13:57:29 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA22607; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 13:57:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA03558; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 13:57:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from lfgate1.KELLY.AF.MIL by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA11793; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 13:57:20 -0500 (EST) Received: by lfgate1.kelly.af.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 12:57:15 -0600 Message-ID: <7FD1E4AAD152D111966500609707F48B124ACF@lfgate1.kelly.af.mil> From: "BAILEY JOHN C, CAPT" To: suzuki-l@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, "'WantA ZX6'" Subject: RE: Synthetic Oil....how???? Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 12:57:14 -0600 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Just change the oil and filter. Mixing is no problem. I've switched back and forth for years (as $ allow). My dad uses 20/50 Spectro Golden exclusively in all his bikes (after break in) - including a 90 GSXR 1100 with 35000 miles including 4 years of Willow Springs Racing. The only internal engine work ever has been valve adjustments and a new clutch. Of course (just to stir the pot a little) MCN says synthetic is a waste of money. > ---------- > From: WantA ZX6[SMTP:WantAZX6@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, January 05, 1998 9:48 AM > To: suzuki-l@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Synthetic Oil....how???? > > I just passed 5000 miles on my TL and want to switch to synthetic oil. > Can > anyone give me a step by step "guide" on how to properly do it? I have > heard > that it is bad for synthetics to mix with leftover petroleum oil. Fact or > fiction? Also, what weight should I use? Suggestions on brands? > > Thanks > Jack > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 5 14:11:58 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA22943; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 14:11:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA03771; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 14:11:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA12166; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 14:11:49 -0500 (EST) From: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX Received: by ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.1 (385.6 5-6-1997)) id 85256583.00684232 ; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 13:58:46 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMSINC To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256583.0065B4CD.00@ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com> Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 13:34:39 -0500 Subject: Re: Synthetic Oil....how???? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; Boundary="0__=ppdP151tBggpB7GduEzKG2wIh41jIykbz3b2xaZCTR6r5dxDlEH2xRjs" --0__=ppdP151tBggpB7GduEzKG2wIh41jIykbz3b2xaZCTR6r5dxDlEH2xRjs Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The synthetic oil I use (Castrol Syntec) says its fully compatible with conventional oils...that means it'll mix fine with any oil left in your crank case. The synthetic oil increased my bike's performance almost a scary amount. The thing idles more smoothly, warms up faster, accellerates more smoothly and just performs better. Granted my bike is 17 years old and has 30K miles on it, so there's room for improvement, I guess :-) -Doug douglas_brashear@XXXXXX T minus 28 days before I rejoin the DC metro crowd! (Embedded image moved WantA ZX6 at AMS-Internet to file: 01/05/98 01:12 PM PIC09911.PCX) To: suzuki-l @ mcf.com at AMS-Internet@CCMAIL, dc-cycles @ cs.umd.edu at AMS-Internet@CCMAIL cc: (bcc: Douglas Brashear/AMS/AMSINC) Subject: Synthetic Oil....how???? I just passed 5000 miles on my TL and want to switch to synthetic oil. Can anyone give me a step by step "guide" on how to properly do it? I have heard that it is bad for synthetics to mix with leftover petroleum oil. Fact or fiction? Also, what weight should I use? Suggestions on brands? 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Fagan" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" CC: "'Julie Holm'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Testing and Hello References: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D34F3A1@badge.tuckerflyer.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You're starting to scare me Jeannette!!......ooh..I think I like being scared :) he he he.... O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: > Hi Julie! I've talked to you before (via e-mail) when I linked up to > your Nasty Girlie page! LOVED IT. Everyone needs to check this page > out! I'm still waiting to be put on the page myself!! ; ) Any > nominations?? > _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 5 17:22:28 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA27481; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 17:22:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA08078; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 17:22:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA18726; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 17:22:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from squeakers.erols.com (frd-as2s44.erols.com [207.172.110.107]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA05429; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 17:22:16 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199801052222.RAA05429@smtp1.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Alan Lapp Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 17:21:31 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Rollerblading Reply-to: squeakers@XXXXXX Priority: normal In-reply-to: References: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) > >How we got on rollerblading, I can't imagine, but here goes. > > Blame Squeakers... she started it. Imagine that. :) > Did not. It was Brian that started it!!!!!! Speaking of Brian and his skates, though... I put up my speed rollerblades, and went and got a pair of those beginner skates with that ABS braking system built into them. (Gil's idea) DAMN, Im good!!!!! I can go and slow down and stop and almost dont lose my balance anymore! Not BAD for an old lady!!! (GAWD I ache everywhere) Squeakers-streaking like a snail on 8 wheels! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 5 17:30:24 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA27637; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 17:30:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA08152; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 17:30:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from bretweir.total.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA18930; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 17:30:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from win95b (ppp-annex-0203.que.total.net [205.236.100.157]) by bretweir.total.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA03833; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 17:30:01 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199801052230.RAA03833@bretweir.total.net> From: "J.Paul Dinan" To: "WantA ZX6" , , Subject: Re: Synthetic Oil....how???? Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 17:30:01 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 >I just passed 5000 miles on my TL and want to switch to synthetic oil. Can >anyone give me a step by step "guide" on how to properly do it? Step 1: Don't ! endof then: goto 1 ======================================= J. Paul Dinan "Biker-Scum with an attitude" ~¶8= (Canadian beaver with goggles & hat) ICQ #6485455, member "Instant-Messenger", "People-Link" GSXF750, FJ1200, EX500 Quebec, Qc: http://www.tourisme.gouv.qc.ca/anglais/home_a.html Where it's summer from July 30th to August 1st. ============================================ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 5 17:58:20 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA28077; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 17:58:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA08371; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 17:58:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from bconnex.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA19538; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 17:57:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from campbell.bconnex.net (pm9-48.barrie.connex.net [209.5.14.48]) by bconnex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA24355; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 17:55:09 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199801052255.RAA24355@bconnex.net> From: "Don Campbell" To: "BAILEY JOHN C, CAPT" , , , "'WantA ZX6'" Subject: Re: Synthetic Oil....how???? Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 17:58:49 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit for info on synthetic oil see: http:/tempest.ece.uiuc.edu/~cburian/mc/oil/ Don Campbell campbell@XXXXXX ---------- > From: BAILEY JOHN C, CAPT > To: suzuki-l@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX; 'WantA ZX6' > Subject: RE: Synthetic Oil....how???? > Date: Monday, January 05, 1998 1:57 PM > > Just change the oil and filter. Mixing is no problem. I've switched back > and forth for years (as $ allow). > > My dad uses 20/50 Spectro Golden exclusively in all his bikes (after break > in) - including a 90 GSXR 1100 with 35000 miles including 4 years of Willow > Springs Racing. The only internal engine work ever has been valve > adjustments and a new clutch. > > Of course (just to stir the pot a little) MCN says synthetic is a waste of > money. > > > ---------- > > From: WantA ZX6[SMTP:WantAZX6@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Monday, January 05, 1998 9:48 AM > > To: suzuki-l@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Synthetic Oil....how???? > > > > I just passed 5000 miles on my TL and want to switch to synthetic oil. > > Can > > anyone give me a step by step "guide" on how to properly do it? I have > > heard > > that it is bad for synthetics to mix with leftover petroleum oil. Fact or > > fiction? Also, what weight should I use? Suggestions on brands? > > > > Thanks > > Jack > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 5 18:06:01 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA28221; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 18:06:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA08468; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 18:05:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from bconnex.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA19734; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 18:05:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from campbell.bconnex.net (pm9-48.barrie.connex.net [209.5.14.48]) by bconnex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA26257; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 18:03:09 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199801052303.SAA26257@bconnex.net> From: "Don Campbell" To: "J.Paul Dinan" , "WantA ZX6" , , Subject: Re: Synthetic Oil....how???? Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 18:06:45 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Just my 2 cents, I have a very experienced motorcycle mechanic, 60 years of age who has been a wrench his entire life, he says there is absolutely no reason to use synthetic oil in a motorcycle engine. He looks after many bikes and wont let any of use anything but Sunoco Ultra 10 w 40 or 10 w 50 depending on the season. This guy is extremely opinionated, and I expect every mechanic has his own pet oil, I spoke to another mechanic who says only Castrol , if you want anything else "bring your own oil". It is worth noting that both these mechanics work mostly on touring rigs and not hi reving sport bikes. Don Campbell campbell@XXXXXX ---------- > From: J.Paul Dinan > To: WantA ZX6 ; suzuki-l@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Synthetic Oil....how???? > Date: Monday, January 05, 1998 5:30 PM > > > > >I just passed 5000 miles on my TL and want to switch to synthetic > oil. Can > >anyone give me a step by step "guide" on how to properly do it? > > Step 1: Don't ! > endof > then: goto 1 > > ======================================= > J. Paul Dinan "Biker-Scum with an attitude" > ~¶8= (Canadian beaver with goggles & hat) > ICQ #6485455, member "Instant-Messenger", "People-Link" > GSXF750, FJ1200, EX500 > Quebec, Qc: http://www.tourisme.gouv.qc.ca/anglais/home_a.html > Where it's summer from July 30th to August 1st. > ============================================ > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 5 20:54:47 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA00447; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 20:54:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA09317; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 20:54:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA23346; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 20:54:29 -0500 (EST) From: shephar1@XXXXXX Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id TAA06555 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 19:53:54 -0600 (CST) Received: from mar-wv3-61.ix.netcom.com(206.217.114.125) by dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma006500; Mon Jan 5 19:53:10 1998 Message-ID: <34B1A199.4859@ix.netcom.com> Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 19:14:33 -0800 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-NC320 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Saturday ride maybe? References: <19980105143526.WECI6587@[166.41.242.141]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Todd Peer wrote: > The roads suck out west (VA) folks. There is sand and gravel mixed with > salt, in heavy doses on some of the finer roads. As Collin put it, > "it's hard to find your line with just 24 inches of road to work with." > > I think the winter riding season will need to be toned down to local > roads (heavily travelled), or we should hope for a couple of really > heavy rainstorms in the mountains. You are not kidding about the roads out here, I had the opportunity to ride to work today, From Inwood WV, right off I 81, to around Dulles Airport. Anyway big mistake, The bike , a 96 HD XLH1200 was covered in Mud, gravel from my driveway, and about 1/2" of Salt. Plus the place I went to today had dumped enough sand/salt mixture on the parking lot to fill a swimming pool. anyway, just spent three hours washing the bloody thing off. I just have to get another bike for the bad weather, this one is just a pain to keep clean in this weather, too many nooks and crannies. Hopefully the forecast for rain, will clean things up in time for the weekend. Ken.... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 5 23:38:15 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA02027; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 23:38:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA10070; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 23:38:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA25643; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 23:37:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA12296; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 23:33:39 -0500 Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 23:31:21 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Sender: "Gil M. Nissley" Reply-To: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: what a lame problem... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII While we're on the subject of not checking up on things,I ran across a scary story on the web.It illustrates just how important it is to keep up on your bike.This guy was lucky. Check it out at: http://www.motorworld.com/features97/hungry_nut/Welcome.html The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 5 23:42:45 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA02105; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 23:42:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA10107; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 23:42:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA25715; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 23:42:37 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA12316; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 23:38:25 -0500 Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 23:33:56 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Starting idiosyncracies [was: Success!] To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <28eb043d.34b0dbe6@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 5 Jan 1998, Jinn Sinn wrote: > I even drive a car better now............. ^^^^^^^^^^^ Young lady!Watch your language!This is a family list! ;-) The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 6 07:26:59 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA05951; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 07:26:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA12555; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 07:25:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from dadc012.army.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA00651; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 07:25:47 -0500 (EST) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 07:27:32 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: Don Campbell , "J.Paul Dinan" , WantA ZX6 , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Synthetic Oil....how???? Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 07:02:07 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Well unfortunately I have to disagree with your friend no matter how long he has been turning a wrench. First of all, if anything it has been proven that synthetics flow better in the cold weather. This at least makes for less wear on your starter and battery because it doesn't have to move oil that is as thick as molasses. Secondly I have had vehicles that have used only dino oils and ones that have only used synthetics. You want to guess which ones are cleaner inside the engine (at least under the valve covers)? And thirdly, all oil manufactures agree that a range of 10w-40 or 10w-50 is bad. The reason is that oils with this kind of range require lots of polymers and as the oil FAQ says "polymers can shear and burn forming deposits that can cause ring sticking and other problems". Almost all automobile manufactures warn against using a 10w-40 weight. Of course synthetics are not included in this. Maybe it hasn't been proven well enough that synthetics decrease engine wear less then dino oil but from my use of both types I'm sticking with synthetics, namely Mobil 1. Glenn Dysart DysarGB@XXXXXX dysart@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna > Just my 2 cents, I have a very experienced motorcycle mechanic, 60 > years > of age who has been a wrench his entire life, he says there is > absolutely > no reason to use synthetic oil in a motorcycle engine. > He looks after many bikes and wont let any of use anything but Sunoco > Ultra > 10 w 40 or 10 w 50 > depending on the season. > > This guy is extremely opinionated, and I expect every mechanic has his > own > pet oil, I spoke to another > mechanic who says only Castrol , if you want anything else "bring your > own > oil". > It is worth noting that both these mechanics work mostly on touring > rigs > and not hi reving > sport bikes. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 6 07:29:35 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA05978; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 07:29:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA12563; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 07:29:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from zip1.ziplink.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA00671; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 07:29:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (holm@localhost) by zip1.ziplink.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id HAA11959 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 07:29:57 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 07:29:57 -0500 (EST) From: Julie Holm To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: MSF course In-Reply-To: <199801060000.TAA08827@tove.cs.umd.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I'll probably be organizing an ERC, like I did a couple of years ago, for the "Mid Atlantic DoD". Lots of folks have recommended MSF courses, let me know if you are interested in being in this one. (At Northern Virginia Community College in Sterling) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 6 07:42:16 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA06079; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 07:42:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA12598; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 07:42:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from zip1.ziplink.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA00808; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 07:42:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (holm@localhost) by zip1.ziplink.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id HAA12233; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 07:43:00 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 07:43:00 -0500 (EST) From: Julie Holm To: Jane Loyless cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re:MSF basic VS experienced In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980106073833.00a47c20@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII The First two years I rode I wintered the bike December through February. The first year was brutally cold with lots of snow, so no big deal. The second year there were more than a dozen good days. This year I have NOT wintered the bike! On Tue, 6 Jan 1998, Jane Loyless wrote: > At 07:27 AM 1/6/98 -0500, Julie Holm wrote: > > >Do you ride over the winter? If not, I'd wait till next spring to take > >the ERC! If you DO ride over the winter, then taking it in the fall could > >be good. > > > > I'm in SC, so winter is not really an issue. Thanks for the thought though! > > Jane > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 6 08:42:00 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA06583; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 08:42:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA13132; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 08:41:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from xcgca011.northgrum.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA01488; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 08:41:26 -0500 (EST) Received: by XCGCA011 with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 05:42:11 -0800 Message-ID: <11D743514607D011A15500805FEA3464A45D97@xcgva001.grumman.com> From: "Meier, Christopher" To: Don Campbell , "J.Paul Dinan" , WantA ZX6 , dc-cycles@XXXXXX, "'Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN'" Subject: RE: Synthetic Oil....how???? Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 05:41:49 -0800 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain > ---------- > From: Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN[SMTP:Dysart@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 1998 7:02 AM > To: Don Campbell; J.Paul Dinan; WantA ZX6; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Synthetic Oil....how???? > > Well unfortunately I have to disagree with your friend no matter how > long he has been turning a wrench. First of all, if anything it has > been proven that synthetics flow better in the cold weather. This at > least makes for less wear on your starter and battery because it > doesn't > have to move oil that is as thick as molasses. Secondly I have had > vehicles that have used only dino oils and ones that have only used > synthetics. You want to guess which ones are cleaner inside the > engine > (at least under the valve covers)? > I have been using Castrol synthetic blend in the RF900 since about 5k miles (it has about 20k now), with great results. Shifts a bit smoother, better cold weather starting, etc. Only down side is the extra $$$ each change, but that seems like a small price to pay for reduced engine wear, IMHO. > And thirdly, all oil manufactures > agree that a range of 10w-40 or 10w-50 is bad. The reason is that > oils > with this kind of range require lots of polymers and as the oil FAQ > says > "polymers can shear and burn forming deposits that can cause ring > sticking and other problems". Almost all automobile manufactures warn > against using a 10w-40 weight. Of course synthetics are not included > in > this. > Hmmm. Maybe they should tell Suzuki. Etched into my RF900's crankcase, right below to the oil cap is "USE 10W-40 OIL" As always, YMMV and probably does, chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 6 10:28:27 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08004; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 10:28:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA14733; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 10:28:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA03727; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 10:28:16 -0500 (EST) From: RDWOODJR Message-ID: <7a2f07a0.34b24d20@aol.com> Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 10:26:22 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Synthetic Oil....how???? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) << I just passed 5000 miles on my TL and want to switch to synthetic oil. Can anyone give me a step by step "guide" on how to properly do it? I have heard that it is bad for synthetics to mix with leftover petroleum oil. Fact or fiction? Also, what weight should I use? Suggestions on brands? Thanks Jack >> I'm going to get flamed for this, but I don't care. Here's my 2 cents on oil after using and selling motorcycle specific dino & synthetic oils. I feel very passionate about this, so maybe I've been brain-washed working for motorcycle dealers for 22 years (until 6 months ago). Oil is the life-blood of your engine. Not all bikes benefit from *expensive* motorcycle-specific synthetic (or dino) oils. A 600cc sportbike produces about 100hp from 36 cubic inches of displacement at 13,000rpm. With transmission loads an engineer can only dream of while doing WFO no-clutch shifts. An average (ok, there really no such thing as average outside of statistics) automobile may have more like 160hp from 190ci at 5-6,000rpm. With a separate transmission with it's own source of lubrication. The motocycle may reach oil temperatures of 250-300+ degrees (sitting in traffic or WFO on a hot day). The auto about 50 degrees less. So which vehicle is harder on it's oil? Here's another one, a 125cc (7.5ci) motocrosser puts out 38-40hp. Racers don't use cheap oil. But I've seen the result of kids using 2 cycle oil bought from sources other than the bike shops. Sold them lots of engine rebuild parts. So, when a customer would come in the shop, and be repulsed at $3.49/qt oil for the $9,000 motocycle he owns, even after I tried to explain that m/c specific oil was _the cheapest insurance they would ever buy_, and did't buy, I would just say to myself, "dealers aren't making much money on oil, it just seems to be a good idea to spend that $14 twice a year". Some would say, "ya, I use car oil, but change it every 500 miles". Lets see, $.99/qt X 4= $3.96. Done 4 times more often= dumbdadumbdumb. Of course everyone has their own results and methods. But why do some feel it neccessary to save a few dollars on such an important thing as engine oil? And I don't care what MCN said (I subscribe also). I've sold a lot of parts in my day. 25% to service departments, so I know what goes wrong with motorcycle engines. Now, did I tell anyone they had to buy motorcycle-specific oils? Does anyone think it's a good idea? So, should Jack switch to synthetic? I say yes. Jack, use Honda HP4. Excellent stuff, and used by more techs than any other brand I know. Do it, spend the $$, you like your bike, right? Do you regret spending $30 food, gas, dining out? There, now that's off my chest. Now, the dissenters can let me have it. Richard Wood From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 6 11:51:37 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA09257; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 11:51:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA15518; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 11:51:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp4.ny.us.ibm.COM by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA05815; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 11:51:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay1.server.ibm.com (relay1.server.ibm.com [9.14.2.98]) by smtp4.ny.us.ibm.COM (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA11306 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 11:51:39 -0500 Received: from US.IBM.COM (d04lms01.raleigh.ibm.com [9.37.164.193]) by relay1.server.ibm.com (8.8.7/8.7) with SMTP id LAA19700 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 11:49:51 -0500 Received: by US.IBM.COM (Soft-Switch LMS 2.0) with snapi via D04AU003 id 5040100013103734; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 11:53:31 -0500 From: Tom Knapik To: Subject: Re: Synthetic Oil....how???? Message-ID: <5040100013103734000002L042*@MHS> Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 11:53:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Don't hold back Richard, tell us how you really feel :-) OK, I'm sold on synthetic oils..........is it too late to switch over my 30K Honda CX650? ---------------------- Forwarded by Tom Knapik/Bethesda/IBM on 01-06-98 11:41 AM --------------------------- RDWOODJR@XXXXXX on 01-06-98 11:41:26 AM Please respond to RDWOODJR@XXXXXX @ internet snip: << Can anyone give me a step by step "guide" on how to properly do it? I have heard that it is bad for synthetics to mix with leftover petroleum oil. Fact or fiction? >> snip I'm going to get flamed for this, but I don't care. Here's my 2 cents on oil after using and selling motorcycle specific dino & synthetic oils. I feel very passionate about this, so maybe I've been brain-washed working for motorcycle dealers for 22 years (until 6 months ago). Now, did I tell anyone they had to buy motorcycle-specific oils? Does anyone think it's a good idea? So, should Jack switch to synthetic? I say yes. Jack, use Honda HP4. Excellent stuff, and used by more techs than any other brand I know. Do it, spend the $$, you like your bike, right? Do you regret spending $30 food, gas, dining out? There, now that's off my chest. Now, the dissenters can let me have it. Richard Wood >> snip Regards, Tom Knapik E-mail: knapik@XXXXXX Phone: (301) 803-2417, tie-262-2417 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 6 13:16:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA10504; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 13:16:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA17625; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 13:16:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA08061; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 13:16:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id NAA04111; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 13:15:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (nmta2.mcit.com [166.37.172.3]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id NAA31664; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 13:15:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mci.com ([166.32.114.127]) by nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with ESMTP id <19980106181541.HOYA6587@XXXXXX>; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 13:15:41 -0500 Message-ID: <34B274C8.5FB95B15@mci.com> Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 13:15:36 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Reply-To: Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tom Knapik CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Synthetic Oil....how???? References: <5040100013103734000002L042*@MHS> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tom, Well, I hope not. I just switched over my 30k 1978 Kawasaki KZ 1000 LTD two weeks ago. I'm glad that I did. Improvements are subtle, but present nonetheless. Improved cold weather starting is greatly appreciated this time of year. :-) Dale (the Horkster) 1978 Kawasaki KZ1000 LTD 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 Tom Knapik wrote: > OK, I'm sold on synthetic oils..........is it too late to switch over my 30K > Honda CX650? > > ---------------------- Forwarded by Tom Knapik/Bethesda/IBM on 01-06-98 11:41 AM > --------------------------- > > RDWOODJR@XXXXXX on 01-06-98 11:41:26 AM > Please respond to RDWOODJR@XXXXXX @ internet > > snip: > << > Can > anyone give me a step by step "guide" on how to properly do it? I have heard > that it is bad for synthetics to mix with leftover petroleum oil. Fact or > fiction? > >> > snip > I'm going to get flamed for this, but I don't care. Here's my 2 cents on oil > after using and selling motorcycle specific dino & synthetic oils. I feel very > passionate about this, so maybe I've been brain-washed working for motorcycle > dealers for 22 years (until 6 months ago). > > Now, did I tell anyone they had to buy motorcycle-specific oils? > Does anyone think it's a good idea? > So, should Jack switch to synthetic? > I say yes. > > Jack, use Honda HP4. Excellent stuff, and used by more techs than any other > brand I know. > Do it, spend the $$, you like your bike, right? Do you regret spending $30 > food, gas, dining out? > There, now that's off my chest. > > Now, the dissenters can let me have it. > > Richard Wood > >> > snip > > Regards, > Tom Knapik > E-mail: knapik@XXXXXX > Phone: (301) 803-2417, tie-262-2417 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 6 18:42:58 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA16253; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 18:42:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA25036; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 18:42:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA16938; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 18:42:09 -0500 (EST) From: RDWOODJR Message-ID: <8747a3d8.34b2bbe8@aol.com> Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 18:19:02 EST To: knapik@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Synthetic Oil....how???? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) << Don't hold back Richard, tell us how you really feel :-) OK, I'm sold on synthetic oils..........is it too late to switch over my 30K Honda CX650? >> Yes, it could be too late. Synthetics can (and do, from what I've seen) promote oil leaks in motorcycle engines with more than 20-25,000 miles. But those are just my observations. Do you want to be a pioneer and try it? I wouldn't. Sorry, thats my opinion. Richard Wood From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 6 19:01:34 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA16440; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 19:01:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA25393; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 19:01:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA17307; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 19:00:57 -0500 (EST) From: RDWOODJR Message-ID: Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 18:39:06 EST To: Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Synthetic Oil....how???? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) << I just switched over my 30k 1978 Kawasaki KZ 1000 LTD two weeks ago. I'm glad that I did. Improvements are subtle, but present nonetheless. Improved cold weather starting is greatly appreciated this time of year. :-) Horkster >> Glad to see your results. Most of the oil leaks from puting synthetic oils in, er, mature engines come only from the counter shaft, kick start, and shift shaft seals. All easily replaced if you know how. But, if the altenator/generator seal leaks, you won't know it right away. Lets ask Leon what oils he has used in his CX500 & CX650's. I never sold him any motorcycle-specific oil, so I can only guess that he has good results with something else. I know he has an opinion. And it probably differs from mine. Maybe I have been *conditioned*. The wife sure seems to get what she wants. I'll bet Sweakers has an angle on that also. But I could play her like a slide rule (used one in engineering in college, hope they're history), if I took the time. Gee, I get off-track easily. keep Horking, (the mind runs amok on that connotation). Richard From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 6 20:19:26 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA17069; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 20:19:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA25810; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 20:18:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp3.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA18852; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 20:18:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from default (abr-as7s25.erols.com [207.172.153.88]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA26322 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 20:19:39 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199801070119.UAA26322@smtp3.erols.com> Reply-To: From: "Mr. Bill" To: Subject: Re: MSF course Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 20:16:49 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Julie! > I'll probably be organizing an ERC, like I did a couple of years ago, for > the "Mid Atlantic DoD". Lots of folks have recommended MSF courses, > let me know if you are interested in being in this one. "Ms. Safety" strikes again! :-) Sorry, I'm saving my school money for CLASS next. Cheers, -- Mr. Bill -- DoD #0224, UB #8, MS #2 Ubi non accusator, ibi non judex denizen@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 6 20:46:45 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA17281; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 20:46:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA25915; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 20:46:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.mnsinc.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA19199; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 20:46:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay.mnsinc.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA01049 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 20:46:19 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <34B30903.EAE@mnsinc.com> Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 20:48:03 -0800 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Synthetic vs Dino References: <199801070000.TAA25239@tove.cs.umd.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Gang, I'll throw in my two dracmas (sp?) on the oil debate. I was always suspicious of synthetic oil, until I started reading some of the literature - re Oil FAQ. I put synthetic in the 'ole Interceptor, which had ~20K on it last year and all of a suddensk, my clutch started slipping! Yeah, I bummed ! Then I rebuilt the clutch - not the steel plates though - and had no more problems. I'm not sure if it added to overall smmothness, but it did seem more easy to shift gears. BTW, I was advised to run a blend of synth/dino by Dennis of Crossroads Cycle. He did not feel there was any problem in doing so, although I don't remember what ratio he might have specified. This whole thread was batted about on the VF/VFR list at least twice in the last two years. If anyone is really interested, the URL (archive/search) to learn more may be found here: JK From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 6 22:33:19 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA18360; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 22:33:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA26309; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 22:33:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA20898; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 22:33:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.145] (unverified [207.226.128.145]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Tue, 06 Jan 1998 22:38:01 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Synthetic Oil....how???? Date: Tue, 6 Jan 98 22:33:05 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "RDWOODJR" , cc: "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >But I could play her like a slide >rule (used one in engineering in college, hope they're history) Slide rule? That's the thing with the ladder attached to a ramp, right? -George From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 7 07:25:19 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA23702; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 07:25:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA29893; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 07:25:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA28282; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 07:25:01 -0500 (EST) Received: by hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD1B3D.00FDF400@XXXXXX>; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 07:22:25 -0500 Message-ID: From: To: , , Cc: Subject: RE: Synthetic Oil....how???? Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 07:22:25 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 19 TEXT No-no. It's the rule in softball where no player is allowed to slide into base head first - it must be feet first. "There are 2 types of computer users in the world: Those that have lost data and those that are going to....." ---------- From: George Howell[SMTP:ghowell@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 1998 10:33 PM To: RDWOODJR; Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX Cc: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Synthetic Oil....how???? >But I could play her like a slide >rule (used one in engineering in college, hope they're history) Slide rule? That's the thing with the ladder attached to a ramp, right? -George From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 7 08:19:26 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA24153; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 08:19:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA00247; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 08:19:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from dadc012.army.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA29639; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 08:19:06 -0500 (EST) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 08:20:59 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: DC Cycles Subject: RE: Synthetic Oil....how???? Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 07:23:16 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) This is just another one of those "myths" about synthetic oils. I haven't switched a whole lot of bikes over from dino at high mileage but I have cars and haven't had any leaks. Glenn Dysart DysarGB@XXXXXX dysart@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna > Yes, it could be too late. Synthetics can (and do, from what I've > seen) > promote oil leaks in motorcycle engines with more than 20-25,000 > miles. But > those are just my observations. Do you want to be a pioneer and try > it? I > wouldn't. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 7 08:40:45 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA24442; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 08:40:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA00380; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 08:40:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from draco.eisi.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA29995; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 08:40:28 -0500 (EST) Received: by draco.eisi.com; id IAA21935; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 08:57:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from unknown(10.3.1.4) by draco.eisi.com via smap (3.2) id xma021933; Wed, 7 Jan 98 08:57:30 -0500 Received: by hrnexch1.eisi.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 08:41:09 -0500 Message-ID: <7F151D3C3920D111859A080009D806396E6C0D@hrnexch1.eisi.com> From: "Whiteside, John" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Synthetic Oil....how???? Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 08:41:07 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Anybody have any first-hand experience with this? I was thinking about switching my 82 CX500 (~33K) over to synthetic next oil change.... --John Whiteside > -----Original Message----- > From: RDWOODJR [SMTP:RDWOODJR@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 1998 6:19 PM > To: knapik@XXXXXX > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Synthetic Oil....how???? > > << > Don't hold back Richard, tell us how you really feel :-) > OK, I'm sold on synthetic oils..........is it too late to switch over > my 30K > Honda CX650? >> > > Yes, it could be too late. Synthetics can (and do, from what I've > seen) > promote oil leaks in motorcycle engines with more than 20-25,000 > miles. But > those are just my observations. Do you want to be a pioneer and try > it? I > wouldn't. > > Sorry, thats my opinion. > Richard Wood From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 7 08:43:19 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA24474; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 08:43:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA00398; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 08:43:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp3.ny.us.ibm.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA00073; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 08:43:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.server.ibm.com (relay2.server.ibm.com [9.14.2.99]) by smtp3.ny.us.ibm.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA25476 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 08:39:55 -0500 Received: from US.IBM.COM (d04lms01.raleigh.ibm.com [9.37.164.193]) by relay2.server.ibm.com (8.8.7/8.7) with SMTP id IAA52406 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 08:40:42 -0500 Received: by US.IBM.COM (Soft-Switch LMS 2.0) with snapi via D04AU003 id 5040100013150766; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 08:45:14 -0500 From: Tom Knapik To: Subject: Re: Synthetic Oil....how???? Message-ID: <5040100013150766000002L062*@MHS> Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 08:45:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Hmmmmmmmm, I think I'll just stick to frequent dino changes. Regards, Tom Knapik E-mail: knapik@XXXXXX Phone: (301) 803-2417, tie-262-2417 ---------------------- Forwarded by Tom Knapik/Bethesda/IBM on 01-07-98 08:36 AM --------------------------- RDWOODJR@XXXXXX on 01-06-98 07:03:03 PM Please respond to RDWOODJR@XXXXXX @ internet To: Tom Knapik/Bethesda/IBM@ibmus cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX @ internet Subject: Re: Synthetic Oil....how???? << Don't hold back Richard, tell us how you really feel :-) OK, I'm sold on synthetic oils..........is it too late to switch over my 30K Honda CX650? >> Yes, it could be too late. Synthetics can (and do, from what I've seen) promote oil leaks in motorcycle engines with more than 20-25,000 miles. But those are just my observations. Do you want to be a pioneer and try it? I wouldn't. Sorry, thats my opinion. Richard Wood From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 7 09:16:37 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA24941; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 09:16:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA00785; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 09:15:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA00793; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 09:15:45 -0500 (EST) From: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX Received: by ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.1 (385.6 5-6-1997)) id 85256585.004E3765 ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 09:14:19 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMSINC To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256585.004D88D7.00@ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com> Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 09:14:49 -0500 Subject: RE: Synthetic Oil....how???? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; Boundary="0__=KaHxUIT1h1SCjGZkHTKhCJRQ8fdfyvIL32v5CTjrZfH9Xsccgv759KfC" --0__=KaHxUIT1h1SCjGZkHTKhCJRQ8fdfyvIL32v5CTjrZfH9Xsccgv759KfC Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I agree with Richard here. Because synthetic oils can get into tighter places more easily than regular oils, any leaks you have now may get bigger. I have a slight leak on my 30K mile GS 750L that got a tad bigger when I switched to synthetic Castrol. Its at the base of the leftmost (FIF) cylinder...must be a loose headbolt or something...anyway, even on a 5 hour trip I only lose about 10 drops of oil, usually on my boots. But the slight oil loss is worth to added lubrication to me. The advantage to synthetics is that they can deliver better lubrication than standard oils given any thickness of oil film. That means all those crank journals, all those rod bearings, all those cam shafts will receive just as much oil, but be better lubricated, especially on areas that receive only small amounts of oil. My opinion (for what its worth)...if you have a very slight leak, still switch to synthetics...if the leak is bigger, then you should take care of the leak first and not worry about the type of oil you have. If you don't have a leak, then try the synthetics (you don't have to stick with it...but just one try might make you a believer). -Doug '81 GS 750L douglas_brashear@XXXXXX (Embedded image moved "Whiteside, John" at to file: AMS-Internet PIC01517.PCX) 01/07/98 08:49 AM To: dc-cycles @ cs.umd.edu at AMS-Internet@CCMAIL cc: (bcc: Douglas Brashear/AMS/AMSINC) Subject: RE: Synthetic Oil....how???? Anybody have any first-hand experience with this? I was thinking about switching my 82 CX500 (~33K) over to synthetic next oil change.... --John Whiteside > -----Original Message----- > From: RDWOODJR [SMTP:RDWOODJR@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 1998 6:19 PM > To: knapik@XXXXXX > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Synthetic Oil....how???? > > << > Don't hold back Richard, tell us how you really feel :-) > OK, I'm sold on synthetic oils..........is it too late to switch over > my 30K > Honda CX650? >> > > Yes, it could be too late. Synthetics can (and do, from what I've > seen) > promote oil leaks in motorcycle engines with more than 20-25,000 > miles. But > those are just my observations. Do you want to be a pioneer and try > it? 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Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 10:13:31 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain The weather looks like it will be ok Sunday, although a bit cooler. Does anyone want to get together a ride? I wanted to ride Saturday but my sis just got engaged - YAY - & I'll be doing the bridesmaid dress hunt all day Saturday. : ( - Jeannette P.S. I'm liking this rain riding!! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 7 10:34:25 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA26053; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 10:34:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA01382; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 10:34:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from dadc012.army.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA02469; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 10:34:06 -0500 (EST) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 10:36:15 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "Whiteside, John" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Synthetic Oil....how???? Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 08:54:12 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Do it, you won't regret it except for maybe the higher cost of the oil itself. Glenn Dysart DysarGB@XXXXXX dysart@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna > -----Original Message----- > From: Whiteside, John [SMTP:jwhiteside@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 1998 8:41 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Synthetic Oil....how???? > > Anybody have any first-hand experience with this? I was thinking about > switching my 82 CX500 (~33K) over to synthetic next oil change.... > > --John Whiteside > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: RDWOODJR [SMTP:RDWOODJR@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 1998 6:19 PM > > To: knapik@XXXXXX > > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Re: Synthetic Oil....how???? > > > > << > > Don't hold back Richard, tell us how you really feel :-) > > OK, I'm sold on synthetic oils..........is it too late to switch > over > > my 30K > > Honda CX650? >> > > > > Yes, it could be too late. Synthetics can (and do, from what I've > > seen) > > promote oil leaks in motorcycle engines with more than 20-25,000 > > miles. But > > those are just my observations. Do you want to be a pioneer and try > > it? I > > wouldn't. > > > > Sorry, thats my opinion. > > Richard Wood From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 7 10:34:52 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA26066; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 10:34:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA01404; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 10:34:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from dadc012.army.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA02500; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 10:34:38 -0500 (EST) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 10:36:47 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: Tom Knapik , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Synthetic Oil....how???? Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 09:08:36 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) I bet if we compared the cleanliness of the insides of our engines you would change your mind. Go with synthetic, jump out of the dinosaur age of dino oils! Glenn Dysart DysarGB@XXXXXX dysart@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna (over 25,000 synthetic miles with no leaks, no engine, clutch, or transmission failures) > Hmmmmmmmm, I think I'll just stick to frequent dino changes. > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 7 10:43:01 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA26175; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 10:43:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA01490; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 10:42:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp4.ny.us.ibm.COM by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA02695; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 10:42:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.server.ibm.com (relay2.server.ibm.com [9.14.2.99]) by smtp4.ny.us.ibm.COM (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA43302; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 10:43:03 -0500 Received: from US.IBM.COM (d04lms01.raleigh.ibm.com [9.37.164.193]) by relay2.server.ibm.com (8.8.7/8.7) with SMTP id KAA32030; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 10:40:15 -0500 Received: by US.IBM.COM (Soft-Switch LMS 2.0) with snapi via D04AU003 id 5040100013158569; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 10:44:47 -0500 From: Tom Knapik To: , Subject: RE: Synthetic Oil....how???? Message-ID: <5040100013158569000002L092*@MHS> Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 10:44:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain OK, let's suppose I do decide to change over. Do the two mix? Can I just start using synthetic oil or do I need to flush the engine first? Is there anything special I'd need to do? The CX650 doesn't leak now, so MAYBE ya'll have just talked me into making the BIG leap. Regards, Tom Knapik E-mail: knapik@XXXXXX Phone: (301) 803-2417, tie-262-2417 ---------------------- Forwarded by Tom Knapik/Bethesda/IBM on 01-07-98 10:35 AM --------------------------- Dysart@XXXXXX on 01-07-98 10:36:25 AM Please respond to Dysart@XXXXXX @ internet To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX @ internet, Tom Knapik/Bethesda/IBM@ibmus cc: Subject: RE: Synthetic Oil....how???? I bet if we compared the cleanliness of the insides of our engines you would change your mind. Go with synthetic, jump out of the dinosaur age of dino oils! Glenn Dysart DysarGB@XXXXXX dysart@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna (over 25,000 synthetic miles with no leaks, no engine, clutch, or transmission failures) > Hmmmmmmmm, I think I'll just stick to frequent dino changes. > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 7 10:50:14 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA26338; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 10:50:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA01552; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 10:49:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from goliath.intelsol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA02887; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 10:49:52 -0500 (EST) From: sbeck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.06 (346.8 3-18-1997)) id 85256585.00576C80 ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 10:54:54 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: jlobrien@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256585.00551C20.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 10:32:55 -0400 Subject: Re: Ride Sunday (?) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII P.S. I'm liking this rain riding!! Jeannette, if you like riding in the rain, then you definitely belong in the hard core biker catagory! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 7 10:54:19 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA26408; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 10:54:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA01641; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 10:54:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA03002; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 10:54:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com by mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (8.8.8/McCaw V8 version 1) id HAA25054; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 07:53:36 -0800 (PST) Received: by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id HAA16979; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 07:53:36 -0800 Received: from hq_msg01.nwest.mccaw.com by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id HAA16973; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 07:53:34 -0800 Received: by hq_msg01.nwest.mccaw.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD1B41.596E7FC0@XXXXXX>; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 07:53:32 -0800 Message-ID: From: "Viteri, Ursulina" To: "'O'Brien, Jeannette'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Ride Sunday (?) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 07:50:22 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 22 TEXT Hi Jeannette, Sign me up for Sunday, but could we start around noon or a little later? Ursulina Viteri 202-416-6534 * Fax 202-223-9095 AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. - Washington, DC >-----Original Message----- >From: O'Brien, Jeannette [SMTP:jlobrien@XXXXXX] >Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 1998 7:14 AM >To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' >Subject: Ride Sunday (?) > >The weather looks like it will be ok Sunday, although a bit cooler. >Does anyone want to get together a ride? I wanted to ride Saturday but >my sis just got engaged - YAY - & I'll be doing the bridesmaid dress >hunt all day Saturday. : ( > >- Jeannette > >P.S. I'm liking this rain riding!! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 7 11:08:58 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA26577; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 11:08:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA01887; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 11:08:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA03426; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 11:08:44 -0500 (EST) Received: by hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD1B5C.41197310@XXXXXX>; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 11:06:07 -0500 Message-ID: From: To: , Subject: RE: Ride Sunday (?) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 11:06:06 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 37 TEXT Me too if it's after noon or later. Dale, you may have to kiss up to your mother-in-law if you thinking of joining us so that she can watch the kids. "There are 2 types of computer users in the world: Those that have lost data and those that are going to....." ---------- From: Viteri, Ursulina[SMTP:ursulina.viteri@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 1998 10:50 AM To: 'O'Brien, Jeannette'; 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' Subject: RE: Ride Sunday (?) Hi Jeannette, Sign me up for Sunday, but could we start around noon or a little later? Ursulina Viteri 202-416-6534 * Fax 202-223-9095 AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. - Washington, DC >-----Original Message----- >From: O'Brien, Jeannette [SMTP:jlobrien@XXXXXX] >Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 1998 7:14 AM >To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' >Subject: Ride Sunday (?) > >The weather looks like it will be ok Sunday, although a bit cooler. >Does anyone want to get together a ride? I wanted to ride Saturday but >my sis just got engaged - YAY - & I'll be doing the bridesmaid dress >hunt all day Saturday. : ( > >- Jeannette > >P.S. I'm liking this rain riding!! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 7 11:12:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA26656; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 11:12:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA01929; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 11:12:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA03549; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 11:12:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay2.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id LAA12043; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 11:12:25 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 11:11:10 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D34F3F2@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX'" , "O'Brien, Jeannette" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Ride Sunday (?) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 11:10:08 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Ok, boys, this is looking like a girls' ride. We need some love slaves to go with us! Where are you all!!?? - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX [SMTP:tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 1998 11:06 AM > To: jlobrien@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Ride Sunday (?) > > Me too if it's after noon or later. Dale, you may have to kiss up to > your > mother-in-law if you thinking of joining us so that she can watch the > kids. > "There are 2 types of computer users in the world: > Those that have lost data > and those that are going to....." > > ---------- > From: Viteri, Ursulina[SMTP:ursulina.viteri@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 1998 10:50 AM > To: 'O'Brien, Jeannette'; 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > Subject: RE: Ride Sunday (?) > > Hi Jeannette, > > Sign me up for Sunday, but could we start around noon or a little > later? > > Ursulina Viteri > 202-416-6534 * Fax 202-223-9095 > AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. - Washington, DC > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: O'Brien, Jeannette [SMTP:jlobrien@XXXXXX] > >Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 1998 7:14 AM > >To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > >Subject: Ride Sunday (?) > > > >The weather looks like it will be ok Sunday, although a bit cooler. > >Does anyone want to get together a ride? I wanted to ride Saturday > but > >my sis just got engaged - YAY - & I'll be doing the bridesmaid dress > >hunt all day Saturday. : ( > > > >- Jeannette > > > >P.S. I'm liking this rain riding!! > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 7 11:29:05 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA27023; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 11:29:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA02093; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 11:28:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA03992; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 11:28:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id KAA11166; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 10:27:15 -0600 (CST) Received: from imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid02.mcit.com [166.37.221.14]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id LAA28361; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 11:27:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mci.com ([166.32.114.127]) by imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with ESMTP id <19980107162712.NXEG28757@XXXXXX>; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 10:27:12 -0600 Message-ID: <34B3ACD6.6309BB37@mci.com> Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 11:27:02 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Reply-To: Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" CC: "'tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Ursulina Viteri Subject: Re: Ride Sunday (?) References: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D34F3F2@badge.tuckerflyer.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It looks like this love slave will be at home watching the kids. Wait! Football playoffs will be on this weekend... You girls have a good time! *wink* Dale (the Horkster) O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: > Ok, boys, this is looking like a girls' ride. We need some love slaves > to go with us! Where are you all!!?? > > - Jeannette > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX [SMTP:tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 1998 11:06 AM > > To: jlobrien@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: RE: Ride Sunday (?) > > > > Me too if it's after noon or later. Dale, you may have to kiss up to > > your > > mother-in-law if you thinking of joining us so that she can watch the > > kids. > > "There are 2 types of computer users in the world: > > Those that have lost data > > and those that are going to....." > > > > ---------- > > From: Viteri, Ursulina[SMTP:ursulina.viteri@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 1998 10:50 AM > > To: 'O'Brien, Jeannette'; 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > > Subject: RE: Ride Sunday (?) > > > > Hi Jeannette, > > > > Sign me up for Sunday, but could we start around noon or a little > > later? > > > > Ursulina Viteri > > 202-416-6534 * Fax 202-223-9095 > > AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. - Washington, DC > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > >From: O'Brien, Jeannette [SMTP:jlobrien@XXXXXX] > > >Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 1998 7:14 AM > > >To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > > >Subject: Ride Sunday (?) > > > > > >The weather looks like it will be ok Sunday, although a bit cooler. > > >Does anyone want to get together a ride? I wanted to ride Saturday > > but > > >my sis just got engaged - YAY - & I'll be doing the bridesmaid dress > > >hunt all day Saturday. : ( > > > > > >- Jeannette > > > > > >P.S. I'm liking this rain riding!! > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 7 11:30:05 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA27058; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 11:30:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA02106; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 11:29:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from portal.visa.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA04033; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 11:29:56 -0500 (EST) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA25322 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Wed, 7 Jan 1998 08:29:47 -0800 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Wed, 7 Jan 1998 08:29:47 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Ride Sunday (?) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 08:30:59 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 9 TEXT >Ok, boys, this is looking like a girls' ride. We need some love slaves >to go with us! Where are you all!!?? Could happen - haven't checked my dance card yet.. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 7 11:30:30 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA27074; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 11:30:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA02120; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 11:30:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from dadc012.army.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA04044; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 11:30:24 -0500 (EST) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 11:32:35 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: Tom Knapik , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Synthetic Oil....how???? Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 10:56:46 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) YES, YES, YES. They mix! Did you ever check out the URL I sent from Mobil's home page? If not check it out: http://www.mobil.com/consumer/mobil1/mobil1/mobil1faq.html and most of your questions will be answered. Just drain your old dino oil and replace with synthetic (and of course your filter too). That's it, nothing more, nothing less. Glenn Dysart DysarGB@XXXXXX dysart@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna > OK, let's suppose I do decide to change over. Do the two mix? Can I > just > start using synthetic oil or do I need to flush the engine first? Is > there > anything special I'd need to do? The CX650 doesn't leak now, so MAYBE > ya'll > have just talked me into making the BIG leap. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 7 12:15:01 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA28022; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 12:15:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA03173; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 12:14:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from PASHA.COM by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA05775; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 12:14:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from PASHA-Message_Server by PASHA.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 07 Jan 1998 12:09:01 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 12:14:20 -0500 From: Sean Sullivan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ride Sunday (?) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Re: Ride Sunday (?) Count me in for Sunday. Sean >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ok, boys, this is looking like a girls' ride. We need some love slaves to go with us! Where are you all!!?? - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX [SMTP:tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 1998 11:06 AM > To: jlobrien@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Ride Sunday (?) > > Me too if it's after noon or later. Dale, you may have to kiss up to > your > mother-in-law if you thinking of joining us so that she can watch the > kids. > "There are 2 types of computer users in the world: > Those that have lost data > and those that are going to....." > > ---------- > From: Viteri, Ursulina[SMTP:ursulina.viteri@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 1998 10:50 AM > To: 'O'Brien, Jeannette'; 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > Subject: RE: Ride Sunday (?) > > Hi Jeannette, > > Sign me up for Sunday, but could we start around noon or a little > later? > > Ursulina Viteri > 202-416-6534 * Fax 202-223-9095 > AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. - Washington, DC > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 7 12:29:26 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA28360; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 12:29:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA03459; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 12:28:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA06302; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 12:28:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay2.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id MAA05370; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 12:28:01 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 12:26:46 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D34F3FC@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Sean Sullivan'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Ride Sunday (?) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 12:25:45 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain There we go! A willing slave!! Any more?? Collin, Brian, Todd?? Muah haa haa haa - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Sean Sullivan [SMTP:SUPERFND@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 1998 12:14 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Ride Sunday (?) > > Re: Ride Sunday (?) > > Count me in for Sunday. > Sean > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Ok, boys, this is looking like a girls' ride. We need some love > slaves > to go with us! Where are you all!!?? > > - Jeannette > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX > [SMTP:tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 1998 11:06 AM > > To: jlobrien@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: RE: Ride Sunday (?) > > > > Me too if it's after noon or later. Dale, you may have to kiss up > to > > your > > mother-in-law if you thinking of joining us so that she can watch > the > > kids. > > "There are 2 types of computer users in the world: > > Those that have lost data > > and those that are going to....." > > > > ---------- > > From: Viteri, Ursulina[SMTP:ursulina.viteri@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 1998 10:50 AM > > To: 'O'Brien, Jeannette'; 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > > Subject: RE: Ride Sunday (?) > > > > Hi Jeannette, > > > > Sign me up for Sunday, but could we start around noon or a little > > later? > > > > Ursulina Viteri > > 202-416-6534 * Fax 202-223-9095 > > AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. - Washington, DC > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 7 12:38:12 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA28567; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 12:38:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA03554; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 12:37:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA06679; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 12:37:03 -0500 (EST) From: C.Fagan/MSC01@XXXXXX Received: from SMTP (auntie_virus.osc.uscg.mil [10.49.120.11]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA20381 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 12:53:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from internet.uscg.mil ([192.168.49.8]) by 10.49.120.11 (Norton AntiVirus for Internet Email Gateways 1.0) ; Wed, 07 Jan 1998 17:36:32 0000 (GMT) Received: From InternetGateway by internet.uscg.mil with InterMail (5.4 MIME) Id MSC01-099775@XXXXXX ; 7 Jan 98 12:36:07 EST Message-Id: Subject: Source for trailer rails Date: 7 Jan 98 12:31:05 EST To: !dc-cycles/InternetGateway@XXXXXX cc: JKN/InternetGateway@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey gang, A co-worker of mine wants to add another rail to his bike trailer...Anyone out there know of a source that sells em reasonable?? I think Northwestern and JC Whitney has them listed, but I don't have a catalog for either of those handy anymore... Collin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 7 13:04:42 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA29235; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 13:04:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA04499; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 13:02:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA07455; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 13:02:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id MAA18889 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 12:01:16 -0600 (CST) Received: from imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid02.mcit.com [166.37.221.14]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id MAA11374 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 12:01:15 -0600 (CST) Received: from LJTanner.mcit.com ([166.32.84.59]) by imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19980107180115.OHCS28757@XXXXXX> for ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 12:01:15 -0600 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 11:01:09 -0500 Message-ID: <01BD1B5B.8EEB4880.linda.tanner@mci.com> From: Linda Tanner To: "Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: FW: Ride Sunday (?) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 11:01:07 -0500 Organization: MCI Telecommunications X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm up for a ride on Sunday. Who's volunteering to lead. (Don't ask me - I get lost going home) LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze -----Original Message----- From: O'Brien, Jeannette [SMTP:jlobrien@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 1998 10:14 AM To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' Subject: Ride Sunday (?) The weather looks like it will be ok Sunday, although a bit cooler. Does anyone want to get together a ride? I wanted to ride Saturday but my sis just got engaged - YAY - & I'll be doing the bridesmaid dress hunt all day Saturday. : ( - Jeannette P.S. I'm liking this rain riding!! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 7 13:34:34 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA29796; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 13:34:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA04945; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 13:33:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA08147; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 13:33:21 -0500 (EST) From: RDWOODJR Message-ID: <1173646.34b3c808@aol.com> Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 13:23:03 EST To: knapik@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Synthetic Oil....how???? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) << OK, let's suppose I do decide to change over. Do the two mix? Can I just start using synthetic oil or do I need to flush the engine first? Is there anything special I'd need to do? The CX650 doesn't leak now, so MAYBE ya'll have just talked me into making the BIG leap. >> Tom, I know of no problems arising from a little conventional oil left in an engine after a change to synthetics. At least not what's commonly available on the market nowdays. There were rumours decades ago, but the ones I heard were already second hand. I do recall, however, seeing caution labels on some 2 cycle synthetic injector oil bottles about mixing and oil clumping, clogging the oil bottle feed line. Richard Wood From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 7 13:48:46 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA00058; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 13:48:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA05582; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 13:48:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.his.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA08741; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 13:48:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from harris.his.com (harris.his.com [205.252.80.17]) by mail.his.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA11604 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 13:48:25 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980107134816.008a58e0@mail.his.com> X-Sender: harris@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 13:48:16 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Stephen Harris Subject: RE: Ride Sunday (?) In-Reply-To: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D34F3FC@badge.tuckerflyer.c om> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I'm game, the fuel pump on the 1000 is not acting up latly. How about a ride up thru upper Montgomery co, say up sugarloaf for the obligatory engine off coast racing on the way down? S Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 7 13:49:33 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA00080; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 13:49:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA05595; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 13:49:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from dadc012.army.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA08756; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 13:49:26 -0500 (EST) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 13:51:27 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: C.Fagan/MSC01@XXXXXX, DC Cycles Cc: JKN/InternetGateway@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Source for trailer rails Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 13:46:19 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) The one I bought for my utility trailer I got from Sears mail order catalog. This was about 8 years ago. Glenn Dysart DysarGB@XXXXXX dysart@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna > A co-worker of mine wants to add another rail to his bike > trailer...Anyone > out there know of a source that sells em reasonable?? > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 7 14:05:01 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA00457; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 14:05:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA05920; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 14:04:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA09178; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 14:04:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay2.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id OAA07606; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 14:04:46 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 14:03:30 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D34F3FE@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Stephen Harris'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Ride Sunday (?) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 14:02:27 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Are you volunteering to lead (I hope)?? I'm just a newbie & certainly not up to that duty yet... - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Harris [SMTP:harris@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 1998 1:48 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Ride Sunday (?) > > I'm game, the fuel pump on the 1000 is not acting up latly. How > about a > ride up thru upper Montgomery co, say up sugarloaf for the obligatory > engine off coast racing on the way down? > > S > > > > Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? > Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 7 14:06:52 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA00486; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 14:06:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA05990; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 14:06:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from welchlink.welch.jhu.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA09270; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 14:06:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from firewall_out.adventisthealthcare.com ([209.49.109.130]) by welchlink.welch.jhu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA08852 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 14:04:19 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980107140738.006ac17c@pop.mindspring.com> Received: from [172.16.4.56] by firewall_out.adventisthealthcare.com via smtpd (for welchlink.welch.jhu.edu [128.220.59.78]) with SMTP; 7 Jan 1998 19:06:43 UT X-Sender: hggmd@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 14:07:38 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." Subject: Oil? No... no... ... AAAHHHH!! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" For reasons I cannot explain, the discussion of oil has managed to consume every vehicular list and forum to which I have ever subscribed. This has repeatedly clogged rec.moto, rec.auto, rec.auto.tech, Land Rover lists (2), BMW lists (3!), balt-cycles, and now, the beloved DC-cycles. I get the sense that some riders/drivers would be more concerned with switching oil than getting a blood transfusion. It boils down to this: if it's in your engine, change it and check it frequently; if it's in your food, don't eat too much of it; if it's going on your body, warm it in the microwave first; if it's bubblin' up from the ground, move to Beverly... Hills that is. Harry Bethesda, MD '97 BMW R1100RT http://www.greenspun.com/harry/bikes.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 7 14:21:11 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA00798; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 14:21:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA06135; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 14:21:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA09602; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 14:20:58 -0500 (EST) Received: by hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD1B77.1C6E22C0@XXXXXX>; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 14:18:22 -0500 Message-ID: From: To: Subject: RE: Ride Sunday (?) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 14:18:20 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 41 TEXT I can't lead either since I'm a newbie and this would be my first group ride (I don't consider those ones with my husband). As a matter of fact, I have no idea what you are saying here > ride up thru upper Montgomery co, say up sugarloaf for the obligatory > engine off coast racing on the way down? All I understood was Montgomery Co. Tracy "There are 2 types of computer users in the world: Those that have lost data and those that are going to....." ---------- From: O'Brien, Jeannette[SMTP:jlobrien@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 1998 2:02 PM To: 'Stephen Harris'; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Ride Sunday (?) Are you volunteering to lead (I hope)?? I'm just a newbie & certainly not up to that duty yet... - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Harris [SMTP:harris@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 1998 1:48 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Ride Sunday (?) > > I'm game, the fuel pump on the 1000 is not acting up latly. How > about a > ride up thru upper Montgomery co, say up sugarloaf for the obligatory > engine off coast racing on the way down? > > S > > > > Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? > Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 7 14:27:52 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA00914; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 14:27:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA06228; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 14:27:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA09798; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 14:27:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from default ([12.68.77.120]) by mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA2168; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 19:27:13 +0000 Reply-To: From: "kevin thomas" To: , "Stephen Harris" Subject: Re: Ride Sunday (?) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 14:24:24 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19980107192712.AAA2168@default> Y'all-- Y'know, motorcycles aren't allowed on Sugarloaf. It's private property, so it's their right to ban us. I've been meaning to complain, try to change their mind. I'm sure that this is one of those things that the loud pipes people (or off-roaders) have screwed up for the rest of us. I'll try to come up with an address for the management and post it to the list. I don't know that there's anyone around to stop you from riding there; I rode up with a visiting VFR lister and didn't notice the "no motorcycles" sign until after we left and then went back, hoping for a water fountain. Nobody hassled us. But please, if you do go up, keep it quiet. Later Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 7 14:30:12 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA00955; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 14:30:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA06255; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 14:30:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA09842; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 14:30:01 -0500 (EST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id NAA19646; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 13:29:26 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199801071929.NAA19646@dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com> Received: from slip166-72-74-181.dc.us.ibm.net(166.72.74.181) by dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma019630; Wed Jan 7 13:28:58 1998 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Bill Schmidt" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, C.Fagan/MSC01@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 14:28:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: RE: Source for trailer rails Reply-to: billsch@XXXXXX Priority: normal In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) > > I think Northwestern and JC Whitney has them listed, but I don't > have a catalog for either of those handy anymore... Whitney's web site is at: http://www.jcwhitneyusa.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 7 14:44:17 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA01189; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 14:44:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA06439; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 14:44:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from DONALD.CDER.FDA.GOV by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA10146; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 14:44:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from mr.cder.fda.gov by fdaserv.cder.fda.gov (PMDF V5.1-8 #21467) id <01IS3KSAI3N48ZGZ30@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 14:44:43 EST Received: with PMDF-MR; Wed, 07 Jan 1998 14:40:54 -0500 (EST) MR-Received: by mta DONALD; Relayed; Wed, 07 Jan 1998 14:40:54 -0500 Alternate-recipient: prohibited Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 14:41:12 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy Subject: Re: Ride Sunday (?) To: DC Cycles Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Posting-date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 14:41:13 -0500 (EST) Importance: normal Priority: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential UA-content-id: E1348IEQ362KV X400-MTS-identifier: [;45044170108991/2233900@FDACD] A1-type: MAIL Hop-count: 1 >I'm game, the fuel pump on the 1000 is not acting up latly. How about a >ride up thru upper Montgomery co, say up sugarloaf for the obligatory >engine off coast racing on the way down? A ride like this might even intice me to test the wife's nerves by asking if I can go. Do you have a route and are you willing to lead? While I can wander all through monkey county I don't think I would be able to make a ride that's actually interesting... How is it that everyone who wants to lead rides is doing them in NoVA? Some of us live in MD. I'm not averse to leading a ride but I'm not the best when it comes to route planning. Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 7 14:54:35 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA01388; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 14:54:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA06521; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 14:54:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.clark.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA10346; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 14:54:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from clark.net (louis@XXXXXX [168.143.0.7]) by mail.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA21509; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 14:54:01 -0500 (EST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Received: (from louis@localhost) by clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA14866; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 14:54:00 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199801071954.OAA14866@clark.net> Subject: Re: Ride Sunday (?) To: tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 14:53:59 -0500 (EST) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) In-Reply-To: from "tracy.l.horstman@lmco.com" at Jan 7, 98 02:18:20 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24alpha3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > > I can't lead either since I'm a newbie and this would be my first group > ride (I don't consider those ones with my husband). As a matter of fact, > I have no idea what you are saying here > > ride up thru upper Montgomery co, say up sugarloaf for the obligatory > > engine off coast racing on the way down? "Engine off coast racing" -> At the top of the hill, you turn off your bike (the real pros make you turn in your keys!) then push off down the hill. The person to go the farthest distance before coming to a stop wins. At least that was how I've seen it before. I haven't done it yet, but I'd be game. Louis From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 7 15:16:54 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA02346; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 15:16:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA06707; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 15:16:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from DONALD.CDER.FDA.GOV by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA11145; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 15:16:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from mr.cder.fda.gov by fdaserv.cder.fda.gov (PMDF V5.1-8 #21467) id <01IS3LRPW2TC8ZGZ8Y@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 15:13:53 EST Received: with PMDF-MR; Wed, 07 Jan 1998 15:10:21 -0500 (EST) MR-Received: by mta DONALD; Relayed; Wed, 07 Jan 1998 15:10:21 -0500 Alternate-recipient: prohibited Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 15:10:41 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy Subject: Re: Ride Sunday (?) To: DC Cycles Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Posting-date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 15:10:42 -0500 (EST) Importance: normal Priority: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential UA-content-id: E1352IEQ39W22 X400-MTS-identifier: [;12015170108991/2234025@FDACD] A1-type: MAIL Hop-count: 1 >>ride up thru upper Montgomery co, say up sugarloaf for the obligatory >>engine off coast racing on the way down? > >"Engine off coast racing" -> At the top of the hill, you turn off your >bike (the real pros make you turn in your keys!) then push off down the >hill. The person to go the farthest distance before coming to a stop >wins. > >At least that was how I've seen it before. I haven't done it yet, but >I'd be game. This is a more interesting exercise when the bikes are fairly evenly matched. I fear that my fairly lightweight Hawk with its poor aerodynamics would suffer against the heavy/aerodynamic bikes some of you have. On the other hand, I probably have more practice taking downhills fast without a motor since I race bicycles (which are rarely geared to pedal over 50 mph and are pretty much never geared for the 60+ mph speeds we reach exiting Skyline Drive in the north). Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 7 15:32:43 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA02711; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 15:32:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA06986; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 15:32:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from welchlink.welch.jhu.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA11661; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 15:32:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from firewall_out.adventisthealthcare.com ([209.49.109.130]) by welchlink.welch.jhu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA13632; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 15:29:52 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980107153256.006a1eb4@pop.mindspring.com> Received: from [172.16.4.56] by firewall_out.adventisthealthcare.com via smtpd (for welchlink.welch.jhu.edu [128.220.59.78]) with SMTP; 7 Jan 1998 20:32:15 UT X-Sender: hggmd@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 15:32:56 -0500 To: Kirk Roy From: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." Subject: Re: Ride Sunday (?) Cc: DC Cycles In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 02:41 PM 1/7/98 -0500, Kirk Roy wrote: >How is it that everyone who wants to lead rides is doing them in NoVA? Some >of us live in MD. There are some excellent roads on both sides of 270, extending to Thurmont and beyond. One of the nicest is Ijamsville Road. You can also take Georgia Avenue waaaaay out past Rt. 70. Still, if you want consistently interesting roads, you need to bite the bullet and head for the hills (Front Royal, Elkins, etc.). Harry Bethesda, MD '97 BMW R1100RT http://www.greenspun.com/harry/bikes.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 7 16:06:59 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA03426; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 16:06:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA07863; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 16:06:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from dlt5.dlt.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA12676; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 16:06:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from ANITA by dlt5.dlt.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.0.1457.7) id CPVC0TAY; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 16:14:23 -0500 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 16:08:48 -0500 Message-ID: <01BD1B86.89C07120.anita@dlt.com> From: Anita Lauro Reply-To: "2xracers@XXXXXX" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: MSF Schedule - NVCC Loudoun Campus Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 16:08:47 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just got the Winter '98 NVCC Loudoun schedule in the mail. MSF class info is as follows: Motorcycle Rider Training - Novice Offered every weekend from March 20/21/22 to December 11/12/13. Cost: $85.00 Intermediate Motorcycle Training (Instructor: Dave Jones) Offered April 5th and May 3rd, both are Sundays. Cost: $55.00 Description: "This course is designed to further develop and reinforce skills learned in the Novice Class." Advanced Rider Training Call Caire @ 450-2552 for schedule. Offered on Sundays beginning in April. Cost: $55.00. There is also a sidecar class, no schedule listed. The number to call for a brochure and more info is 450-2552. A side note: I took the Intermediate class last June and found it very helpful (after taking the Novice class 1.5 years before). You perform some of the range exercises from the Novice class, as well as some additional "optional" exercises not covered in the Novice. We also watched a couple of videos, received some good handouts on riding gear, maintenance, etc. I found that doing the range exercises on my own bike was very confidence building -- I highly recommend the class to any "newer" rider. Since I've changed bikes to a much larger and heavier one, I think I'm going to take the class in April and maybe take the Advanced class later in the year. Hope this info is useful! Anita From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 7 16:15:30 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA03733; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 16:15:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA08322; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 16:15:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from tcs_gateway2.treas.gov by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA12973; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 16:15:03 -0500 (EST) Received: by tcs_gateway2.treas.gov id AA15454 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Wed, 7 Jan 1998 16:14:35 -0500 Received: by tcs_gateway2.treas.gov (Internal Mail Agent-2); Wed, 7 Jan 1998 16:14:35 -0500 Received: by tcs_gateway2.treas.gov (Internal Mail Agent-1); Wed, 7 Jan 1998 16:14:35 -0500 Message-Id: <9029AADD5E6AD111A22C0060084129450D5C0B@DC02> From: Wu Don To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: coast racing? Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 16:15:54 -0500 X-Priority: 3 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain > > > I can't lead either since I'm a newbie and this would be my first > group > > ride (I don't consider those ones with my husband). As a matter of > fact, > > I have no idea what you are saying here > > > > ride up thru upper Montgomery co, say up sugarloaf for the > obligatory > > > engine off coast racing on the way down? > Louis said: > "Engine off coast racing" -> At the top of the hill, you turn off your > bike (the real pros make you turn in your keys!) then push off down > the > hill. The person to go the farthest distance before coming to a stop > wins. > > At least that was how I've seen it before. I haven't done it yet, but > I'd be game. > Kirk said: > This is a more interesting exercise when the bikes are fairly evenly > matched. I fear that my fairly lightweight Hawk with its poor > aerodynamics > would suffer against the heavy/aerodynamic bikes some of you have. > I think what Stephen was talking about is a downhill race (engine off) to the bottom of Sugarloaf mountain with the first rider there being the winner. Whoever brakes the least wins. Don From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 7 16:36:01 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA04173; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 16:36:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA08633; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 16:35:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp3.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA13551; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 16:35:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (spg-tnt3s98.erols.com [207.172.146.98]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA09981; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 16:35:04 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <34B3F7D0.B05265A9@geocities.com> Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 16:46:56 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kirk Roy CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Ride Sunday (?) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kirk Roy wrote: > How is it that everyone who wants to lead rides is doing them in NoVA? Some > of us live in MD. I'm not averse to leading a ride but I'm not the best > when it comes to route planning. > Kirk, I've ridden a few rides with the MD HSTA led by Steve Johnson....They are generally pretty nice rides; however, I've found that a very large portion (not all of em mind you) of the MD back roads are narrow, very populated (lotsa houses), and in very poor condition (both pavement and debris)....These conditions are dangerous to the zippy types and for many of the same reasons, they can be dangerous for the newbies/less experienced riders... The MD roads are good for the occasional sightseeing (the CAMS covered bridges ride was nice), but on average, the VA roads are just better riding...And as someone mentioned, for the really good stuff....head west (and south) young man... Collin -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 7 16:42:48 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA04330; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 16:42:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA08752; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 16:42:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from DONALD.CDER.FDA.GOV by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA13813; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 16:42:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from mr.cder.fda.gov by fdaserv.cder.fda.gov (PMDF V5.1-8 #21467) id <01IS3OX00T408ZH05R@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 16:42:52 EST Received: with PMDF-MR; Wed, 07 Jan 1998 16:40:08 -0500 (EST) MR-Received: by mta DONALD; Relayed; Wed, 07 Jan 1998 16:40:08 -0500 Alternate-recipient: prohibited Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 16:40:28 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy Subject: Re: coast racing? To: DC Cycles Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Posting-date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 16:40:29 -0500 (EST) Importance: normal Priority: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential UA-content-id: E1365IEQ3KO7K X400-MTS-identifier: [;80046170108991/2234634@FDACD] A1-type: MAIL Hop-count: 1 >> This is a more interesting exercise when the bikes are fairly evenly >> matched. I fear that my fairly lightweight Hawk with its poor >> aerodynamics >> would suffer against the heavy/aerodynamic bikes some of you have. >> >I think what Stephen was talking about is a downhill race (engine off) >to the bottom of Sugarloaf mountain with the first rider there being the >winner. Yep. >Whoever brakes the least wins. I don't think braking the least would be the deciding factor although I've never done this on a motorcycle. Would speeds get high enough for braking to be of much concern on a motorcycle? I've hit 50 mph descending some pretty hairy mountain descents on my bicycle without paying too much attention to braking. I'm probably better at it on a bicycle than on a motorcycle (particularly relative to the average high mileage bicycle rider and the average high mileage motorcycle rider). A heavier bike/rider combo will accelerate faster downhill (there are endless discussions on this in rec.bicycles.tech and rec.bicycles.racing but I'm sure the members of dc-cycles are better than that, maybe I'm not cause here I am discussing it). A more aerodynamic bike will hit a higher top speed. These are simplified descriptions, of course. Depending on how twisty the descent of sugarloaf "mountain" is these factors may not be nearly as important as rider skill and/or craziness. I stopped for a moment to decide if I should send this. Since I'm generally fairly quiet on the list (and I stay completely out of such topics as rollerblading, wimmins, etc) I guess it won't hurt... Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 7 18:03:21 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA06104; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 18:03:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA09900; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 18:03:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA16410; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 18:02:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.his.com by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA11406; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 18:02:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from harris.his.com (harris.his.com [205.252.80.17]) by mail.his.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA11798 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 18:02:55 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980107180239.0088e4d0@mail.his.com> X-Sender: harris@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 18:02:39 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Stephen Harris Subject: Sunday ride Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Ok, I opened my big mouth, so now I gotta follow thru. I'm not sure what "leading" means in the street bike sense, but since I have been a control rider for Cycle Sport Day as well as an instructor for the MARRC Road Racing School I'm sure I'm qualified. I will pick a route of my favorites, travel them in a sedate fashion, and whomever wishes to follow may. Be advise, I do all my racing on the track, so you will not find me exceeding the posted by more that 20% or so. Everyone can meet at my house in Gaithersburg, MD. Directions at the end of the message. As for the coast "racing" the term is used very loosly. This park has a lot of tree huggers walking around and it not the place to put the kettle on the stove. I ride down swift for a car, slow for a racer, and well within my limits. Anything else is irresponsible. It is a lot of fun the road down from the top is very curvie and it is the weirdest feeling to be power off listing to everything rattle on your bike. If it were a race, the person that used the brakes the least would win. Weight would have nothing to do with it, and speeds don't get really high to make a difference. So Kurt, you would win, but not because of your bike, but because of your bicycle racing experience. Directions to the Team Charm World Head 1/4's. Be there at noon. We will leave smartly at 12:45. Oh, and the dog is harmless. Take I-270 to exit 9A which is for I-370 / Sam Eig Hwy. Exit, staying towards the right which will take you to I-370. In about a mile you'll exit off I-370 onto 355 North / Towards Gaithersburg Town Center. The exit ramp dumps you out on 355 north so its impossible to screw up. At the second traffic light (about one mile) take a right onto East Deer Park Rd. Take your second left (about 300 yards) onto Woodland Rd. My house is number 112, about a half mile down the road and after a stop sign. My home number is 301 990 6408 if you get lost for some reason. S Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 7 19:11:27 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA07134; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 19:11:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA10979; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 19:11:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA17970; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 19:11:10 -0500 (EST) From: Jinn Sinn Message-ID: <23ce871d.34b41885@aol.com> Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 19:06:29 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ride Sunday (?) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) it's starting to look like a chick-event :D WHERE ARE OUR LOVE SLAVES? In a message dated 98-01-07 11:18:53 EST, tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX writes: << Me too if it's after noon or later. >> From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 7 19:19:47 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA07226; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 19:19:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA11206; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 19:19:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA18092; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 19:19:40 -0500 (EST) From: WantA ZX6 Message-ID: <662cc7a4.34b4198f@aol.com> Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 19:10:52 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ride Sunday (?) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) In a message dated 98-01-07 10:28:36 EST, you write: I wouldnt mind going riding. << P.S. I'm liking this rain riding!! >> Yuck, Jeanette you have really lost it. Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 7 19:25:57 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA07282; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 19:25:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA11277; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 19:25:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA18245; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 19:25:49 -0500 (EST) From: WantA ZX6 Message-ID: <7832c327.34b41b34@aol.com> Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 19:17:54 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ride Sunday (?)..coast racing Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) In a message dated 98-01-07 15:09:01 EST, you write: << Engine off coast racing" >> Is VERY dangerous and should only be done by experienced people....ie. NOT newbies. Reason being is that there is no engine braking and traction is much less than with the engine running (see torque/friction). Sounds fun tho. Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 7 19:36:13 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA07399; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 19:36:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA11392; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 19:36:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtolympus.ari.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA18409; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 19:36:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (bee@localhost) by mtolympus.ari.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id TAA21240; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 19:37:09 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 19:37:09 -0500 (EST) From: "Brian E. Ewell" To: kevin thomas cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Stephen Harris Subject: Re: Ride Sunday (?) In-Reply-To: <19980107192712.AAA2168@default> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 7 Jan 1998, kevin thomas wrote: > Y'all-- > > Y'know, motorcycles aren't allowed on Sugarloaf. It's private property, so > it's their right to ban us. I've been meaning to complain, try to change > their mind. I'm sure that this is one of those things that the loud pipes > people (or off-roaders) have screwed up for the rest of us. I'll try to > come up with an address for the management and post it to the list. I > don't know that there's anyone around to stop you from riding there; I rode > up with a visiting VFR lister and didn't notice the "no motorcycles" sign > until after we left and then went back, hoping for a water fountain. > Nobody hassled us. But please, if you do go up, keep it quiet. I'd assumed that their reason for barring motorcycles was more of a safety issue, with all the gravel that seems to gather at the corners of every switchback on the way up. I've never taken the bike up (just parked at the bottom and walked), but I expect it could be a bit tricky... Brian. bee@XXXXXX '85 VF700C Magna From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 7 19:39:27 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA07442; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 19:39:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA11411; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 19:39:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA18460; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 19:39:20 -0500 (EST) From: Jinn Sinn Message-ID: <242cc328.34b41fd3@aol.com> Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 19:37:39 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ride Sunday (?)..coast racing Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) In a message dated 98-01-07 19:31:35 EST, you write: << Is VERY dangerous and should only be done by experienced people....ie. NOT newbies. Reason being is that there is no engine braking and traction is much less than with the engine running (see torque/friction). Sounds fun tho. >> Those were my (newbie) thoughts...........scarrrrryyyyyyy.....although I could do it on a bicycle...OTOH a bicycle weighs about 1/100 of a motocycle (or less) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 7 19:41:29 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA07467; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 19:41:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA11534; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 19:41:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA18492; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 19:41:22 -0500 (EST) From: Jinn Sinn Message-ID: <13d7ac1b.34b4172d@aol.com> Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 19:00:43 EST To: jlobrien@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ride Sunday (?) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) I'm there baby.........time?? 10? In a message dated 98-01-07 10:28:36 EST, jlobrien@XXXXXX writes: << The weather looks like it will be ok Sunday, although a bit cooler. Does anyone want to get together a ride? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 7 20:11:44 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA07833; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 20:11:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA12346; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 20:11:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from tcs_gateway2.treas.gov by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA18988; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 20:11:26 -0500 (EST) Received: by tcs_gateway2.treas.gov id AA05738 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Wed, 7 Jan 1998 20:10:59 -0500 Received: by tcs_gateway2.treas.gov (Internal Mail Agent-2); Wed, 7 Jan 1998 20:10:59 -0500 Received: by tcs_gateway2.treas.gov (Internal Mail Agent-1); Wed, 7 Jan 1998 20:10:59 -0500 Message-Id: <9029AADD5E6AD111A22C0060084129450D5C75@DC02> From: Wu Don To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: coast racing Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 20:11:21 -0500 X-Priority: 3 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain ><< Engine off coast racing" >> >Is VERY dangerous and should only be done by experienced people....ie. >NOT newbies. Reason being is that there is no engine braking Engines aren't for braking! Engines are for accelerating! Brakes are for braking. :) I think Keith Code said this. Or something along those lines. Don From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 7 20:18:29 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA07890; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 20:18:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA12369; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 20:18:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA19060; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 20:18:10 -0500 (EST) From: Jinn Sinn Message-ID: <2fa5540.34b4267d@aol.com> Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 20:06:04 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ride Sunday (?) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) OOPS......I have a meeting at 1 and am supposed to see a friend at 3........damn.... anybody want to go Saturday instead??? PLEASE? :D In a message dated 98-01-07 19:46:57 EST, JinnSinn@XXXXXX writes: << I'm there baby.........time?? 10? >> From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 7 20:31:38 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA08056; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 20:31:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA12526; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 20:31:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from welchlink.welch.jhu.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA19254; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 20:31:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from HGREENS.adventisthealthcare.com (Pool-207-205-223-112.pitb.grid.net [207.205.223.112]) by welchlink.welch.jhu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA11049; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 20:29:01 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980107203219.0069dafc@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: hggmd@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 20:32:19 -0500 To: "Brian E. Ewell" From: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." Subject: Re: Ride Sunday (?) Cc: kevin thomas , dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Stephen Harris In-Reply-To: References: <19980107192712.AAA2168@default> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 07:37 PM 1/7/98 -0500, Brian E. Ewell wrote: > >I've never taken the bike up (Sugarloaf) > (just parked at the bottom and walked), but I expect it could be a > bit tricky... I rode my ZX-11 up and down it last year. Although the roads around the mountain were great, the switchback road up was terrible: gravel, hikers, RV's. It wasn't worth the time away from the other roads. On the other hand, last month (back when it was 30 degrees), I made a pit stop at the Comus Inn which is at the turnoff to the mountain. Although we got there too late to enjoy it, they have a great Sunday brunch and appeared welcoming to our leather-clad contingent. Harry Bethesda, MD '97 BMW R1100RT http://www.greenspun.com/harry/bikes.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 7 21:23:30 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA08715; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 21:23:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA13087; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 21:23:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.mnsinc.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA20350; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 21:23:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay.mnsinc.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA23891 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 21:22:27 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <34B462CA.35@mnsinc.com> Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 21:23:23 -0800 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Ride Sunday & Other Nonsense Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" > The weather looks like it will be ok Sunday, although a bit cooler. > Does anyone want to get together a ride? I wanted to ride Saturday but > my sis just got engaged - YAY - & I'll be doing the bridesmaid dress > hunt all day Saturday. : ( And later on she wrote: > Ok, boys, this is looking like a girls' ride. We need some love slaves > to go with us! Where are you all!!?? Whoa! Love slaves? Hey, I resemble that remark! In any event, I think I'll be there - Aloha ;) Got my new tire in today from Dennis Kirk (thanks again to y'all that did the MotoRagResearch for me - saved me some centimes!) delivered by a friendly UPS dude who actually jogged up my driveway, which is - shall we say - steep! Anyone ever see Mad TV and that crazy, manic UPS guy skit? Well this guy was just like that except he was white. The space between his eyes seemed kind of small (proportionately) suggesting some inbreeding, but he seemed a diligent worker nonetheless. (Hope he's not one of your relatives - ;^P What bugged me however, were his remarks: "Hey, what kind of bike is that? I've never ridden a motorcycle before but..." And then this gem: "Hey, I saw an accident once and the guy wasn't wearing a full face helmet and ... blood started gushing... and then his girlfriend went into shock..." Sheesh. Gimme my friggin' parts and leave already... I also ordered smaller rear turn signal stems à la VF500F's - they say imitation is the finest form of flattery Brian and & Jeannette ;) These are simply more attractive than the twice-as-long stems that run stock on the VF700F. Finally got my trick Trek (bicycle) computer set up on the 'ole Interceptor BTW. Warmer weather is definitely better for expoxy curing! This badboy will measure the following: 1. Trip time ` 2. Trip Distance 3. Average Speed 4. Maximum Speed 5. Speed Comparator to Ave. Speed 6. Odometer 7. Clock Looking forward to trying it out on Sunday. Ciao, JK From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 7 22:29:09 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA09625; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 22:29:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA13314; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 22:28:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA21664; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 22:28:49 -0500 (EST) From: Jinn Sinn Message-ID: <221fbd7c.34b447ec@aol.com> Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 22:28:42 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Ride Sunday...Make it Saturday!!!??? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) OOPS......I have a meeting at 1 and am supposed to see a friend at 3.(Sunday).......damn.... anybody want to go Saturday instead??? PLEASE? :D >> Marcy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 7 22:32:58 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA09675; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 22:32:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA13351; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 22:32:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA21735; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 22:32:45 -0500 (EST) From: Jinn Sinn Message-ID: Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 22:27:15 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ride Sunday (?) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) yeah sure, it doesn't have to be terribly long.....I have some things to do Saturday afternoon as well... In a message dated 98-01-07 21:50:38 EST, louis@XXXXXX writes: << I might be able to do a shorter Saturday ride (have to be in Old Town Alexandria about 5 pm.) send me some e-mail thurs night or friday if you are still intersted in riding on Sat. >> From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 7 23:59:07 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA10520; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 23:59:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA14015; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 23:58:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA23557; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 23:58:43 -0500 (EST) From: WantA ZX6 Message-ID: <32133602.34b45caf@aol.com> Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 23:57:17 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: coast racing Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) In a message dated 98-01-07 20:28:03 EST, you write: << >Is VERY dangerous and should only be done by experienced people....ie. >NOT newbies. Reason being is that there is no engine braking Engines aren't for braking! Engines are for accelerating! Brakes are for braking. :) I think Keith Code said this. Or something along those lines. >> Theres a smart ass in every crowd ; ). Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 8 00:07:43 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA11051; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 00:07:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA14130; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 00:07:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA23699; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 00:07:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.144] (unverified [207.226.128.144]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Thu, 08 Jan 1998 00:12:33 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Ride Sunday (?) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 98 00:07:31 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Kirk Roy" , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > Some >of us live in MD. I'm not averse to leading a ride but I'm not the best >when it comes to route planning. Having been on a couple of rides, so far, No. Va. has better roads than those in southern maryland (hey, it's a big, sandy archipelago!) But I'd like a ride on this side of the Potomac sometime, if it were possible. -George From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 8 00:07:47 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA11060; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 00:07:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA14136; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 00:07:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA23703; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 00:07:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.144] (unverified [207.226.128.144]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Thu, 08 Jan 1998 00:12:35 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: RE: Ride Sunday (?) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 98 00:07:33 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" , "'tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX'" , "O'Brien, Jeannette" , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Ok, boys, this is looking like a girls' ride. We need some love slaves >to go with us! Where are you all!!?? This ride is sounding better all the time;) -George From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 8 00:07:51 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA11069; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 00:07:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA14144; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 00:07:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA23710; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 00:07:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.144] (unverified [207.226.128.144]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Thu, 08 Jan 1998 00:12:37 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: RE: Ride Sunday (?) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 98 00:07:35 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Viteri, Ursulina" , "'O'Brien, Jeannette'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Sign me up for Sunday, but could we start around noon or a little later? Ditto with the late start preference! -George From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 8 00:07:52 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA11076; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 00:07:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA14155; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 00:07:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA23724; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 00:07:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.144] (unverified [207.226.128.144]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Thu, 08 Jan 1998 00:12:41 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Ride Sunday (?) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 98 00:07:39 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >The weather looks like it will be ok Sunday, although a bit cooler. >Does anyone want to get together a ride? I wanted to ride Saturday but >my sis just got engaged - YAY - & I'll be doing the bridesmaid dress >hunt all day Saturday. : ( Similar situation here. I've got a party with some people from my grad school cohort on Saturday. So if I'm not too hungover/don't get in too late on Sunday, I might want to join in (although, honestly, I need to get the horn on my bike working a little bit better) >P.S. I'm liking this rain riding!! Ditto. Just wish I had a spare $150 so I could get the waxed cotton pants, mittens, and boot covers to match the jacket. :) ``` (o o) *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| *--------------------------oooO------------* |__||__| || || ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 8 00:07:51 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA11075; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 00:07:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA14154; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 00:07:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA23716; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 00:07:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.144] (unverified [207.226.128.144]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Thu, 08 Jan 1998 00:12:39 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: MSF Schedule - NVCC Loudoun Campus Date: Thu, 8 Jan 98 00:07:37 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "2xracers@XXXXXX" <2xracers@XXXXXX>, "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >The number to call for a brochure and more info is 450-2552. Area code? (For us MD types who are still getting used to 410 to call Bawlmer) Oh, and thanks a lot for the list. -George From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 8 02:43:40 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA12662; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 02:43:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA16340; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 02:43:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA00942; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 02:43:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from default ([12.68.77.196]) by mtigwc05.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA13377; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 15:38:17 +0000 Reply-To: From: "kevin thomas" To: "Whiteside, John" , Subject: Re: Synthetic Oil....leaks???? Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 10:35:21 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19980107153816.AAA13377@default> I think Richard must have been putting synthetic oil into old British bikes. Yes, synthetic oil flows better, but not so much better it'll flow out past your gaskets. If it'd do that, it would flow past your rings and valve seals, too. I've put synthetic oil into VFRs with nearly 20000 miles with no problems. They now have 30000 miles. I don't really know what kind of oil they had when I got them, though. No problems when putting synthetic oil into a 15-year-old CB550 with only 9000 miles. And it had been sitting for 14 years! My 73 CB750 had synthetic oil since new, and was stolen at 33000 miles. It had the same oil leak from the head gasket all old CBs did. You're supposed to retorque the head gasket every 3000 miles, says Honda, but you gotta take the engine out to do it! So nobody ever does, and they leak. But that was the only leak. I've put synthetic oil into Fords, Hondas and Nissans with 40000 to 90000 miles, no leaks. And of course, I've put it in new engines, and they don't leak. Got one outside with nearly 30000 on it, in a car with 180000. No leaks. People say they were abducted by space aliens, Richard says synthetic oil leaks out of bikes that didn't leak regular oil. I don't want to say it didn't happen, but it sure didn't happen to anybody when I was there to see it. I think I should store this response for the quarterly return of this thread....... Later Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 8 02:43:40 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA12661; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 02:43:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA16342; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 02:43:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA00946; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 02:43:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from default ([12.68.76.237]) by mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA24866; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 04:10:20 +0000 Reply-To: From: "kevin thomas" To: "Jinn Sinn" Cc: "dc-cycles" Subject: Re: Ride Sunday (?) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 23:07:20 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19980108041019.AAA24866@default> Marcy-- I can't go Sunday either, but Saturday's open! See ya Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 8 05:05:33 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id FAA14008; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 05:05:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id FAA17039; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 05:05:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from server4.illuminet.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id FAA02304; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 05:05:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from kzan (t0215.scott.af.mil [140.175.95.148]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id FAA03165 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 05:06:44 -0500 Message-ID: <34B494E7.7312E410@illuminet.net> Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 03:57:11 -0500 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ride Sunday (?)..coast racing X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <7832c327.34b41b34@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I agree with the no engine braking (although there could be if you were to put it in gear and release the clutch) But I don't understand how 1) Coasting is anymore dangerous on a motorcycle than a bicycle or 2) How starting the engine improves traction. Does this mean that coasting downhill with the motor running is less dangerous? Leon. WantA ZX6 wrote: > In a message dated 98-01-07 15:09:01 EST, you write: > > << Engine off coast racing" >> > > Is VERY dangerous and should only be done by experienced people....ie. > NOT > newbies. Reason being is that there is no engine braking and traction > is much > less than with the engine running (see torque/friction). > Sounds fun tho. > > Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 8 06:51:10 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA14759; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 06:51:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA17426; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 06:50:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from portal.visa.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA03085; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 06:50:51 -0500 (EST) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA18084 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Thu, 8 Jan 1998 03:50:49 -0800 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Thu, 8 Jan 1998 03:50:49 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Ride Sunday (?)..coast racing Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 03:52:01 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 33 TEXT << Is VERY dangerous and should only be done by experienced people....ie. NOT newbies. Reason being is that there is no engine braking and traction is much less than with the engine running (see torque/friction). Sounds fun tho. >> Had to chime in here - traction is a function of tires and road surface - neither knows nor cares whether the engine is on, off, or safe in the garage wrapped in a tarp. While the statement "engines are for accelerating and brakes are for braking" is generally true - especially when a large amount of velocity has to be reduced in a short period of time (as in "Where in hell did that deer come from!?!?!?"), in the real world the engine performs a moderating function on long descents, reducing the overall need for braking and providing a flywheel effect (due to the flywheels) to smooth out the acceleration/deceleration forces as the bike rolls downhill. Also, as the brakes tend to get quite warm when they are the sole source of moderating vehicle velocity (Gawd, but I'm starting to sound pedantic!) they lose efficacy, requiring increasing pressure to control the speed. I had the pleasure of being stationed in northern Italy with the USAF for about 5 years and had many opportunities to test out various theories on my Ducati of some very long downhills (I finally added a second disk assembly to the front end). Michael J. Philosopher-at-large From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 8 07:30:09 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA15064; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 07:30:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA18430; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 07:29:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp3.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA03402; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 07:29:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (spg-tnt3s98.erols.com [207.172.146.98]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA10253 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 07:31:15 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <34B4CFDE.DBD225B3@geocities.com> Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 08:08:46 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Engine Braking Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit While I agree for the most part that the brakes do the stopping, all it takes is one ride on a Ducati to see how much the engine can help ;-) Serioously though, going through the gears (as you get to the proper rev rangs) while reducing speed, like mike said, will moderate the bike and smooth things out. In addition, you'll always know that you're in the right gear should you need to accelerate to avoid an obstacle (using mike's deer theory again....or a car backing out just as you get to it). Is it Friday yet????? off to work.. Collin -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 8 07:53:03 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA15245; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 07:53:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA18497; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 07:52:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA03564; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 07:52:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.02c) id AC021810096; Thu, 08 Jan 1998 07:52:21 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980108074853.009ead10@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 07:48:53 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Ride Sunday (?)..coast racing In-Reply-To: <7832c327.34b41b34@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 07:17 PM 1/7/98 EST, WantA ZX6 wrote: >In a message dated 98-01-07 15:09:01 EST, you write: > ><< Engine off coast racing" >> > >Is VERY dangerous and should only be done by experienced people....ie. NOT >newbies. Reason being is that there is no engine braking and traction is much >less than with the engine running (see torque/friction). "traction is much less then with the engine running"? How do you figure that? Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 8 07:53:04 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA15247; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 07:53:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA18498; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 07:52:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA03565; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 07:52:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.02c) id AC061810096; Thu, 08 Jan 1998 07:52:22 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980108075154.009c2e00@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 07:51:54 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: coast racing In-Reply-To: <9029AADD5E6AD111A22C0060084129450D5C75@DC02> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:11 PM 1/7/98 -0500, Wu Don wrote: >><< Engine off coast racing" >> > >>Is VERY dangerous and should only be done by experienced people....ie. >>NOT newbies. Reason being is that there is no engine braking > >Engines aren't for braking! Engines are for accelerating! Brakes are >for braking. :) Within reason. I don't think anyone would seriously recommend disengaging the clutch and coasting down mountains as a good way to keep the bike under control. Keith Code (Mr. Dianetics) was most likely speaking only about the track, not streets. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 8 08:23:51 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA15503; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 08:23:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA18719; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 08:23:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from draco.eisi.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA03927; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 08:23:37 -0500 (EST) Received: by draco.eisi.com; id IAA23824; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 08:40:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from unknown(10.3.1.4) by draco.eisi.com via smap (3.2) id xma023820; Thu, 8 Jan 98 08:40:37 -0500 Received: by hrnexch1.eisi.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 08:23:30 -0500 Message-ID: <7F151D3C3920D111859A080009D806396E6C25@hrnexch1.eisi.com> From: "Whiteside, John" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: MSF Schedule - NVCC Loudoun Campus Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 08:23:28 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain I know the MSF gives some guidelines for who should take the intermediate course.... but do I remember them? Of course not! My background is that I took the basic course last spring, got a bike, and have done about 3000 miles since then. Too soon? Good time to take it? Anybody have suggestions? thanks. --John Whiteside > -----Original Message----- > From: Anita Lauro [SMTP:anita@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 1998 4:09 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: MSF Schedule - NVCC Loudoun Campus > > I just got the Winter '98 NVCC Loudoun schedule in the mail. MSF > class > info is as follows: > > Motorcycle Rider Training - Novice > Offered every weekend from March 20/21/22 to December 11/12/13. > Cost: $85.00 > > Intermediate Motorcycle Training (Instructor: Dave Jones) > Offered April 5th and May 3rd, both are Sundays. > Cost: $55.00 > Description: "This course is designed to further develop and reinforce > > skills learned in the Novice Class." > > Advanced Rider Training > Call Caire @ 450-2552 for schedule. > Offered on Sundays beginning in April. > Cost: $55.00. > > There is also a sidecar class, no schedule listed. > > The number to call for a brochure and more info is 450-2552. > > A side note: > I took the Intermediate class last June and found it very helpful > (after > taking the Novice class 1.5 years before). You perform some of the > range > exercises from the Novice class, as well as some additional "optional" > > exercises not covered in the Novice. We also watched a couple of > videos, > received some good handouts on riding gear, maintenance, etc. I found > that > doing the range exercises on my own bike was very confidence building > -- I > highly recommend the class to any "newer" rider. Since I've changed > bikes > to a much larger and heavier one, I think I'm going to take the class > in > April and maybe take the Advanced class later in the year. > > Hope this info is useful! > Anita From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 8 08:55:24 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA15776; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 08:55:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA19323; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 08:54:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from germany.it.earthlink.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA04395; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 08:54:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from [153.34.240.141] (1Cust151.tnt4.tco2.da.uu.net [153.35.88.151]) by germany.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA06294 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 05:54:55 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: level_5_ltd@XXXXXX Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <7832c327.34b41b34@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 08:56:49 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Alan Lapp Subject: Re: Ride Sunday (?)..coast racing >In a message dated 98-01-07 15:09:01 EST, you write: > ><< Engine off coast racing" >> > >Is VERY dangerous and should only be done by experienced people....ie. NOT >newbies. Reason being is that there is no engine braking and traction is much >less than with the engine running (see torque/friction). >Sounds fun tho. > >Jack Jack, I have to agree with you as to the dangers of coast racing, however I disagree as to the reason. Traction is not reduced in a no-power situation. It is merely distributed diferently. When the throttle is opened, weight transfers towards the rear of the bike. The absence of this effect would eliminate 2 classic problems with high powered sport bikes upon the exit of a corner: rear wheel power slides, and pushing/tucking/chattering the front end due to weight transfer. The true danger of coast racing is human nature. People engaged in coast racing are in a competition, and as such, often ride over their heads. The specific problem is the desire to stay off the brakes leading to execesive corner entry speeds. Also, coast racing requires a diferent riding technique than that of a high powered sport bike: the classic arcing line (often called the "Hailwood" line, after Mike The Bike Hailwood, bless his soul) rather than the more agressive 'squaring off' of the corner, which minimizes the time leaned over, thus maximizing the time in a more vertical state which is advantageous to both braking and accelerating. And, as long as I'm being pedantic, engine braking is a terrible way to slow down: it is *really* imprecise, and the expendible parts are quite expensive compared to brake pads! Al level_5_ltd@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 8 08:59:50 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA15816; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 08:59:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA19377; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 08:59:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from xgate.usia.gov by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA04469; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 08:59:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from Connect2 Message Router by xgate.usia.gov via Connect2-SMTP 4.31.02; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 08:55:43 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <8DD0B43401BD1160@xgate.usia.gov> Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 8:57:37 -0500 From: "Adams, Bill" Sender: "Adams, Bill" Organization: USIA To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX ("'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'") Subject: MD riding suggestion box... Importance: High X-SMF-Hop-Count: 2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Connect2-SMTP 4.31.02 MHS/SMF to SMTP Gateway To all those who complain that the MD roads aren't quite up to the Virginia snuff, I submit for your approval the following suggestions: Hunt Valley area....tons of 2 laners that snake all over gorgeous farm and countryside Frederick County...ditto Anywhere in the Catoctin Mountain National Park region, and points west to Harper's Ferry. The Famous Triadelphia Loop Closer to town: RCP...especially Ross Drive Sligo Creek Parkway from U-Blvd to New Hamster Avenue Others elude me at the moment, but I can honestly say I've never felt pangs of envy for NoVa motocyclists. Wish I could join y'all for a ride, but it'll be a while before the Honda is breathing on its own. Bill Adams 3D Artist/Animator '66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon, '81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard: "Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 8 09:05:18 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA15970; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 09:05:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA19468; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 09:05:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA04581; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 09:05:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay2.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id JAA20935; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 09:05:08 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 09:03:51 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D34F40A@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Alan Lapp'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Ride Sunday (?)..coast racing Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 09:02:51 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Ok, the big question for me is, since I'm a newbie, will I be able to have fun on this ride or should I not go? In other words, will this be all experienced racer-type riders? Just wondering...don't want to get in over my head (like I'd let that happen), or, more likely, hold anyone up... : ) - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Alan Lapp [SMTP:level_5_ltd@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, January 08, 1998 8:57 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Ride Sunday (?)..coast racing > > >In a message dated 98-01-07 15:09:01 EST, you write: > > > ><< Engine off coast racing" >> > > > >Is VERY dangerous and should only be done by experienced > people....ie. NOT > >newbies. Reason being is that there is no engine braking and traction > is much > >less than with the engine running (see torque/friction). > >Sounds fun tho. > > > >Jack > > Jack, I have to agree with you as to the dangers of coast racing, > however I > disagree as to the reason. > > Traction is not reduced in a no-power situation. It is merely > distributed > diferently. When the throttle is opened, weight transfers towards the > rear > of the bike. The absence of this effect would eliminate 2 classic > problems > with high powered sport bikes upon the exit of a corner: rear wheel > power > slides, and pushing/tucking/chattering the front end due to weight > transfer. > > The true danger of coast racing is human nature. People engaged in > coast > racing are in a competition, and as such, often ride over their heads. > The > specific problem is the desire to stay off the brakes leading to > execesive > corner entry speeds. > > Also, coast racing requires a diferent riding technique than that of a > high > powered sport bike: the classic arcing line (often called the > "Hailwood" > line, after Mike The Bike Hailwood, bless his soul) rather than the > more > agressive 'squaring off' of the corner, which minimizes the time > leaned > over, thus maximizing the time in a more vertical state which is > advantageous to both braking and accelerating. > > And, as long as I'm being pedantic, engine braking is a terrible way > to > slow down: it is *really* imprecise, and the expendible parts are > quite > expensive compared to brake pads! > > Al > level_5_ltd@XXXXXX > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 8 09:30:41 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA16255; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 09:30:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA20141; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 09:30:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from iconmail.bellatlantic.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05111; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 09:30:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from my-workstation (client196-127-110.bellatlantic.net [151.196.127.110]) by iconmail.bellatlantic.net (IConNet Sendmail) with SMTP id JAA19194; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 09:30:09 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980108092255.00c1f154@postoffice.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: true911@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 09:22:55 -0500 To: Chris Norloff From: "Mark E. Truelove" Subject: Re: Ride Sunday (?)..coast racing Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980108074853.009ead10@mail.toward.com> References: <7832c327.34b41b34@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Cornering (which is what I think he's referring to) is properly done under throttle, which sets up the load 60/40 to the rear, sticking the tire better and keeping it turning in. Sorry all, been lurking -- and flu-ing. :( MET At 07:48 AM 1/8/98 -0500, you wrote: >"traction is much less then with the engine running"? > >How do you figure that? > >Chris Norloff ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark E. Truelove (true@XXXXXX) http://www.clark.net/pub/pooh/ Polaris Technology Group http://www.angelfire.com/biz/polaristech/ Placement Specialists: SAP PeopleSoft Notes Fiber-Optics NT UNIX DBs ======================================================================= From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 8 09:34:05 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA16289; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 09:34:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA20177; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 09:34:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.mnsinc.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05202; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 09:33:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from charlie.mnsinc.com (charlie.mnsinc.com [206.239.52.83]) by relay.mnsinc.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA26322; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 09:33:56 -0500 (EST) From: 2xracers@XXXXXX (Anita Lauro) To: George Howell Cc: "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: MSF Schedule - NVCC Loudoun Campus Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 14:36:54 GMT Message-ID: <34b4e424.46880892@relay.mnsinc.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 8 Jan 98 00:07:37 -0500, you wrote: >>The number to call for a brochure and more info is 450-2552. > >Area code? (For us MD types who are still getting used to 410 to call=20 >Bawlmer) > The area code is 703. It may be Loudoun County, but we're still "Northern Virginia." :) Anita From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 8 09:39:38 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA16354; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 09:39:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA20310; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 09:39:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.mnsinc.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05376; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 09:39:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from charlie.mnsinc.com (charlie.mnsinc.com [206.239.52.83]) by relay.mnsinc.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA26511; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 09:39:31 -0500 (EST) From: 2xracers@XXXXXX (Anita Lauro) To: "Whiteside, John" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: MSF Schedule - NVCC Loudoun Campus Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 14:42:28 GMT Message-ID: <34b5e49a.46999123@relay.mnsinc.com> References: <7F151D3C3920D111859A080009D806396E6C25@hrnexch1.eisi.com> In-Reply-To: <7F151D3C3920D111859A080009D806396E6C25@hrnexch1.eisi.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 8 Jan 1998 08:23:28 -0500, you wrote: >I know the MSF gives some guidelines for who should take the >intermediate course.... but do I remember them? Of course not! My >background is that I took the basic course last spring, got a bike, and >have done about 3000 miles since then. Too soon? Good time to take it? >Anybody have suggestions? thanks.=20 I think you'd do fine in the intermediate class. Just picture doing some of the "harder" Novice exercises on your own bike. Locking the rear wheel, for example. We also did a decreasing radius turn that was pretty interesting. I had only put about 400 miles on my bike when I took the class and I didn't feel like I was in over my head (although I was the least experienced there). The great thing about when I took it was that there were only 4 people in the class... it was like getting personal instruction! After taking the class I felt like I had much better control over my bike, especially at slower speeds. It'll be interesting to see how well I do on the Nighthawk... Hope to see you there! Anita From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 8 09:41:26 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA16364; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 09:41:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA20341; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 09:41:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.mnsinc.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05406; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 09:41:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from charlie.mnsinc.com (charlie.mnsinc.com [206.239.52.83]) by relay.mnsinc.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA26568 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 09:41:17 -0500 (EST) From: 2xracers@XXXXXX (Anita Lauro) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ride Sunday...Make it Saturday!!!??? Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 14:44:14 GMT Message-ID: <34b7e619.47381734@relay.mnsinc.com> References: <221fbd7c.34b447ec@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <221fbd7c.34b447ec@aol.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm definitely up for a Saturday ride since I can't make the one on Sunday! Anita '95 Nighthawk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 8 09:43:04 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA16381; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 09:43:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA20463; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 09:42:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05478; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 09:42:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id JAA22662; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 09:42:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid01.mcit.com [166.37.221.13]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id IAA07066; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 08:42:19 -0600 (CST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19980108144219.RGSZ215@[166.41.242.141]>; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 08:42:19 -0600 Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 09:34 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: "Louis F. Caplan" CC: tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) Subject: Re: Ride Sunday (?) X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980108144219.RGSZ215@[166.41.242.141]> Louis C. wrote: >"Engine off coast racing" -> At the top of the hill, you turn off your >bike (the real pros make you turn in your keys!) then push off down the >hill. The person to go the farthest distance before coming to a stop >wins. > >At least that was how I've seen it before. I haven't done it yet, but >I'd be game. Of course you would! You'd come close to winning on that big assed Concours. However, unless some GoldWinger shows, rest assured the ST1100 with its 650+ pounds carrying its 230+ pound payload will win due to the enormous momentum involved. You sport bike guys can kiss it goodbye, especially if there is a breeze blowing uphill ;-) Todd +-----------------------------+---------------+ | '91 ST1100 - Raven STeel | STOC #487 | | '92 CB750 - Carbon Beauty | HSTA #7615 | | '83 VT500 - Dark Shadow | AMA #542907 | +-----------------------------+---------------+ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 8 10:13:06 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA16800; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 10:13:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA21103; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 10:12:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06133; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 10:12:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id KAA04741 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 10:12:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid01.mcit.com [166.37.221.13]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id KAA13482 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 10:12:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19980108151209.RKCT215@[166.41.242.141]> for ; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 09:12:09 -0600 Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 09:50 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: dc-cycles Subject: RE: Motorcycle Graphics -Reply X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980108151209.RKCT215@[166.41.242.141]> FYI....Sport bikes only though:( Forwarded message: _________________________________________________________________ Message-Id: <6B5C8C4247FCCF1189AF0080D88002AAE5E27D@hrserv2> Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 12:49:36 -0500 Reply-To: hsta@XXXXXX Sender: owner-hsta@XXXXXX From: "Hawkins, Kevin" To: Honda Sport Touring Association Subject: RE: Motorcycle Graphics -Reply If the inquiry is truly about motorcycle graphics, check out: http://www.techsolv.com/www/tapeworks/pages/homepage Kevin Hawkins // Greensboro, NC HSTA NC State Director AMA #609423 // khawkins@XXXXXX http://www.geocities.com/~raddboy '97 Triumph T595 // '93 Yamaha GTS1000 // '89 Hawk GT > -----Original Message----- > From: Dan Hytry [SMTP:hytry.d@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 1998 12:33 PM > To: HSTA State Directors > Subject: re: Motorcycle Graphics -Reply > > I'm looking for info, as well as the answer - How about it Chuck (No > Cal NL > Ed)? Got any good stuff? > ------------- > Original Text > From: "John Castagna" , on 1/7/98 6:09 AM: > If anyone has an answer, I'd be interested in knowing it too. Thanks. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 8 10:27:30 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA17020; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 10:27:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA21253; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 10:27:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06414; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 10:27:16 -0500 (EST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id KAA22350 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 10:27:15 -0500 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma022289; Thu, 8 Jan 98 10:26:51 -0500 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id KAA17666 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 10:26:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00) id AA884273029; Thu, 08 Jan 98 10:23:51 -0500 Message-Id: <9801088842.AA884273029@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Thu, 08 Jan 98 10:21:13 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: Re[2]: Ride Sunday (?)..coast racing MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Fear not J - our fearless leader for Sunday is a racer who understands where and when it's time to crank it up (read, at the TRACK). As he posted originally, he rides maybe 20% over the speed limit.. soo.. based on a 55mph speed limit, we should be doing about 65 - nothing that's going to get anyone in trouble (unless it's 55mph limit, and marked 10mph corners.. one can dream, can't he?). Girl, you just need to stop fretting about 'holding us up' - you know we're going to wait for you if we get ahead... we always have (one exception.. and you've received apologies for that!).. I'll see everyone there.. Brian ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Ok, the big question for me is, since I'm a newbie, will I be able to have fun on this ride or should I not go? In other words, will this be all experienced racer-type riders? Just wondering...don't want to get in over my head (like I'd let that happen), or, more likely, hold anyone up... : ) - Jeannette From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 8 10:39:55 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA17210; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 10:39:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA21718; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 10:39:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06717; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 10:39:42 -0500 (EST) Received: by hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD1C21.5BCB23A0@XXXXXX>; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 10:37:03 -0500 Message-ID: From: To: , Subject: RE: Ride Sunday (?)..coast racing Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 10:37:02 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 87 TEXT You wouldn't be holding me up. Dale says you and I ride a lot a like taking corners slow and easy when you unsure like me. We'll have fun no matter what! Tracy Horstman '87 Suzuki Savage 650 "There are 2 types of computer users in the world: Those that have lost data and those that are going to....." ---------- From: O'Brien, Jeannette[SMTP:jlobrien@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, January 08, 1998 9:02 AM To: 'Alan Lapp'; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Ride Sunday (?)..coast racing Ok, the big question for me is, since I'm a newbie, will I be able to have fun on this ride or should I not go? In other words, will this be all experienced racer-type riders? Just wondering...don't want to get in over my head (like I'd let that happen), or, more likely, hold anyone up... : ) - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Alan Lapp [SMTP:level_5_ltd@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, January 08, 1998 8:57 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Ride Sunday (?)..coast racing > > >In a message dated 98-01-07 15:09:01 EST, you write: > > > ><< Engine off coast racing" >> > > > >Is VERY dangerous and should only be done by experienced > people....ie. NOT > >newbies. Reason being is that there is no engine braking and traction > is much > >less than with the engine running (see torque/friction). > >Sounds fun tho. > > > >Jack > > Jack, I have to agree with you as to the dangers of coast racing, > however I > disagree as to the reason. > > Traction is not reduced in a no-power situation. It is merely > distributed > diferently. When the throttle is opened, weight transfers towards the > rear > of the bike. The absence of this effect would eliminate 2 classic > problems > with high powered sport bikes upon the exit of a corner: rear wheel > power > slides, and pushing/tucking/chattering the front end due to weight > transfer. > > The true danger of coast racing is human nature. People engaged in > coast > racing are in a competition, and as such, often ride over their heads. > The > specific problem is the desire to stay off the brakes leading to > execesive > corner entry speeds. > > Also, coast racing requires a diferent riding technique than that of a > high > powered sport bike: the classic arcing line (often called the > "Hailwood" > line, after Mike The Bike Hailwood, bless his soul) rather than the > more > agressive 'squaring off' of the corner, which minimizes the time > leaned > over, thus maximizing the time in a more vertical state which is > advantageous to both braking and accelerating. > > And, as long as I'm being pedantic, engine braking is a terrible way > to > slow down: it is *really* imprecise, and the expendible parts are > quite > expensive compared to brake pads! > > Al > level_5_ltd@XXXXXX > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 8 10:50:11 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA17327; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 10:50:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA21811; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 10:50:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.clark.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06981; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 10:49:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from clark.net (explorer.clark.net [168.143.0.7]) by mail.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA25678; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 10:49:52 -0500 (EST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Received: (from louis@localhost) by clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA15293; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 10:49:43 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199801081549.KAA15293@clark.net> Subject: Re: Ride Sunday (?)..coast racing To: jlobrien@XXXXXX (O'Brien, Jeannette) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 10:49:42 -0500 (EST) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) In-Reply-To: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D34F40A@badge.tuckerflyer.com> from "O'Brien, Jeannette" at Jan 8, 98 09:02:51 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24alpha3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > > Ok, the big question for me is, since I'm a newbie, will I be able to > have fun on this ride or should I not go? In other words, will this be > all experienced racer-type riders? Just wondering...don't want to get > in over my head (like I'd let that happen), or, more likely, hold anyone > up... : ) > > - Jeannette Nah. If we were to do it, it would probably only be one hill. And I wouldn't do a race down: "who gets there first" as that is too competitive, and involves bikes in close proximity. With "who can go the farthest," at least riders can be spaced out and not in each others way. Put a rock or something to mark where you stopped, then get the bike out of the way for the next person. And it probably wouldn't be good to do either of these on a road with notable traffic. Maybe if someone knows of a little used hill? (My parents live on a perfect one, but alas, it's in CT. Maybe if we can find a good isolated place to do this we can make it an unofficial event another day. Louis From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 8 11:03:40 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA17612; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 11:03:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA21960; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 11:03:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07439; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 11:03:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from default ([12.68.76.34]) by mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA5595; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 16:03:00 +0000 Reply-To: From: "kevin thomas" To: "Adams, Bill" , "\"'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'\"" Subject: Re: MD riding suggestion box... Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 11:00:06 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19980108160258.AAA5595@default> Yeah, I've never had a problem with the MD roads. I admit some of the VA roads we rode on the early-december CAMS ride were less travelled than some MD roads, but for sub-racetrack speeds it wouldn't matter. That'd change if I went as far out of town as we did that day, too. And I see _many_ fewer cops on my MD rides than we did that day. That whole Tridelphia area is quite nice. Nowhere near Philadelphia ;-) , I go thru Damascus and call it a day when I hit Columbia..... Later Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 8 12:29:42 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA19390; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 12:29:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA23235; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 12:29:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA09661; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 12:29:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id MAA03790; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 12:28:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (nmta2.mcit.com [166.37.172.3]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id LAA07813; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 11:27:43 -0600 (CST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19980108172742.YBTG6587@[166.41.242.141]>; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 12:27:42 -0500 Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 12:17 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: "'Loupil'" , "Akers, Philip" , allmine , annie mundy , "Audrey.Wiegard" , baldwin2 , baldwin2 , baretta , bartp , Berri Reminick , BikerSid , "'bill in richmond'" , Bill Schmidt , "bill.maggs" , blase.morgan@XXXXXX, bmonaco , Bob Tobias , Brian Mccoy , bruce_hardy , "'Bryan T. Douglas'" , "bryan.douglas" , BWEINER , "C.Fagan/MSC01" , chris kleponis , chris norloff , Clark Dorman , cnorloff , "Jones, William COL - G3" , "Collin T. Fagan" , cometk , conteh , Crawfordpr , ct15 , curtis hintze , dale coyner , Daniel Dutch , Dark Hacker , Dave Nunn , dave otis , Dave Strout , "'david silver'" , DavidW , "'dennis hughs'" , dhugh , Doug Bellomo , "'drew cooper'" , Edward_Shea@XXXXXX, frank supik , Fritz Ames , "Gil M. Nissley" , HDWarp80 , herb manell , herb_manell , hugh maher , indy234 , jae , james w carr , jbalders , jcagney , jcarver , jckozyn@XXXXXX, "Jeannette O'Brien" , "'Jeffrey Berkin'" , Jeff_Swank , jgiglio , jimb , jockodc , john claman , john schaaf , "Weinstein, John, Dr, NSS" , "John.Nelson" , "john.schaaf" , joneswl , JonSpittle , jrduffy@XXXXXX, judy soukup , juttekraus , jwfreyjr , kays1 , Ken Bour , kevin thomas , larry wilson , larry_wilson , Lgvxlh883 , linda tanner , louis betancourt , louis caplan , lvarouxis , Mark Elledge , Matt Elliott - DIGEX , "'matt farina'" , matt hayes , Matthew Ducey , meierch , merscht , meyer , Michael Dow , mike , "'Mike Lee'" , Morris Berman , mxc11@XXXXXX, neweiss , nomad98 , "Paul A. Douglas" , "Paul W. Wisneskey" , pdenno , "Perry D. Coleman" , peter soukup , "PRogers.dit" , Randy Chartier <74537.1737@XXXXXX>, Randy.Chartier@XXXXXX, remenick , RFRAER@XXXXXX, RichDe@XXXXXX, Robert M Darden , robertst , r_k_dow , sae pak , "Sandra.Gladysz" , scotje , slarrab@XXXXXX, SRFox , Steele Gordon , Stephan Lee , "STEPHEN R. LOHMAN" <103126.2533@XXXXXX>, "sbeck@XXXXXX" , steveb , STEVE_JOHNSON , tbgliz , tbgrogha , terpstra , "Higdon, SFC Thomas" , "tod r. botcher" , Tracy Minter , "venture.royale" , "Osidach, Vera Z." , vzo1 , "w.r. ohara" , wef , "McLoone, William J." , dc-cycles Subject: HSTA STAR98 X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980108172742.YBTG6587@[166.41.242.141]> STAR is the annual HSTA national gathering. This year it will be in TAOS, New Mexico beginning June 21, ending June 24 at the SageBrush Inn and Conference Center (it's a resort). For the registration fee, you get a bunch of junk, a door prize ticket, and I understand they give away a new Honda (a VTR1000 last year). Aside from the reputation this part of NM has for excellent roads, there will be demo rides on Honda, and so far Yamaha. Linda Tanner and I are making our way out for this event and will then travel out west for awhile more. I believe she will be heading back home within a two week time frame. I will be out for three, if I can get the time off. The event is for HSTA members, but that never stopped Steve Beck ;-) and the registration fee is $35 early and $45 at the event. Again, if you're Steve Beck, you just go for the ride which is why me and Linda are going too! If anyone would like to join us, HSTA members or not, let us know! Or if you plan to be out west between June 21 and July 7 (when I plan to head back) we'd love to meet up with you. The tentative plan now is to rent a truck (leaving June 19) and haul out to Oklahoma, then ride the rest of the way in. Re: get past the boring stuff. For more information about the HSTA: http://members.aol.com/hstawww/index.html Todd +-----------------------------+---------------+ | '91 ST1100 - Raven STeel | STOC #487 | | '92 CB750 - Carbon Beauty | HSTA #7615 | | '83 VT500 - Dark Shadow | AMA #542907 | +-----------------------------+---------------+ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 8 12:58:35 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA19932; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 12:58:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA24402; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 12:58:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from PASHA.COM by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA10462; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 12:58:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from PASHA-Message_Server by PASHA.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 08 Jan 1998 12:52:20 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 12:57:32 -0500 From: Sean Sullivan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, badams@XXXXXX, klthomas@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Maryland Riding Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Re: Maryland Riding Kevin, please advise on the Tridelphia area. What routes are you using? Thanks, Sean >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That whole Tridelphia area is quite nice. Nowhere near Philadelphia ;-) , I go thru Damascus and call it a day when I hit Columbia..... Later Kevin <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 8 13:06:45 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA20086; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 13:06:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA24585; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 13:06:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA10687; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 13:06:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id NAA18525; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 13:06:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (nmta2.mcit.com [166.37.172.3]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id MAA12176; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 12:06:00 -0600 (CST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19980108180600.YNNU6587@[166.41.242.141]>; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 13:06:00 -0500 Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 12:54 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: dc-cycles , C.Fagan/MSC01@XXXXXX Subject: Re: HSTA STAR98 In reply to 82DB069444E4 X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980108180600.YNNU6587@[166.41.242.141]> Elk City. That seemed like the more populated type town on the map that we could drop off a u-haul. Yeah, definitely would be nice to have some friends lend us a place to stay that evening. Thanks! T From: C.Fagan/MSC01@XXXXXX Message-Id: Subject: HSTA STAR98 In reply to 82DB069444E4 Date: 8 Jan 98 12:42:17 EST To: Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX Todd, Where abouts in Oklahoma do you plan on hauling to and stopping??? I've got more family in that area than you can shake a stick at...I'm definitely sure I can arrange for a hot shower and good meal somehwere in additon to plenty of couch/sleeping bag space to crash.. Let me know...My brother lives about two hours from the New Mexico border and its right on the main throughfare to Taos...If ya need any other area info let me know... Feel free to forward this to everyone else as I'm not able to do a reply all on this cursed green machine we still use.... Collin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 8 13:16:22 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA20198; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 13:16:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA24696; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 13:16:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from PASHA.COM by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA10959; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 13:16:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from PASHA-Message_Server by PASHA.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 08 Jan 1998 13:10:20 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 13:15:57 -0500 From: Sean Sullivan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Sunday Ride (?) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Re: Sunday Ride (?) Todd, I thought Galileo showed a skinny rider on a sportbike falls as fast as a big guy on an ST1100. :) Sean Todd to Louis: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of course you would! You'd come close to winning on that big assed Concours. However, unless some GoldWinger shows, rest assured the ST1100 with its 650+ pounds carrying its 230+ pound payload will win due to the enormous momentum involved. You sport bike guys can kiss it goodbye, especially if there is a breeze blowing uphill ;-) Todd +-----------------------------+---------------+ | '91 ST1100 - Raven STeel | STOC #487 | | '92 CB750 - Carbon Beauty | HSTA #7615 | | '83 VT500 - Dark Shadow | AMA #542907 | +-----------------------------+---------------+ <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 8 13:22:43 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA20279; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 13:22:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA24821; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 13:22:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from andromeda.orionsci.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA11244; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 13:22:33 -0500 (EST) Received: by andromeda.orionsci.com; id MAA25704; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 12:48:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from athena.orionsci.com(192.246.204.54) by andromeda.orionsci.com via smap (V3.1) id xma025701; Thu, 8 Jan 98 12:48:43 -0500 Received: from orionsci.com ([192.246.204.220]) by athena.orionsci.com (post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-12174) with ESMTP id AAA24944; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 13:10:19 -0500 Message-ID: <34B51518.5B9B0330@orionsci.com> Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 13:04:10 -0500 From: names@XXXXXX (Ames, Neil F.) Organization: ORION Scientific Systems, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Todd Peer CC: "'Loupil'" , "Akers, Philip" , allmine , annie mundy , "Audrey.Wiegard" , baldwin2 , baretta , bartp , Berri Reminick , BikerSid , "'bill in richmond'" , Bill Schmidt , "bill.maggs" , blase.morgan@XXXXXX, bmonaco , Bob Tobias , Brian Mccoy , bruce_hardy , "'Bryan T. Douglas'" , "bryan.douglas" , BWEINER , "C.Fagan/MSC01" , chris kleponis , chris norloff , Clark Dorman , cnorloff , "Jones, William COL - G3" , "Collin T. Fagan" , cometk , conteh , Crawfordpr , ct15 , curtis hintze , dale coyner , Daniel Dutch , Dark Hacker , Dave Nunn , dave otis , Dave Strout , "'david silver'" , DavidW , "'dennis hughs'" , dhugh , Doug Bellomo , "'drew cooper'" , Edward_Shea@XXXXXX, frank supik , "Gil M. Nissley" , HDWarp80 , herb manell , herb_manell , hugh maher , indy234 , jae , james w carr , jbalders , jcagney , jcarver , jckozyn@XXXXXX, "Jeannette O'Brien" , "'Jeffrey Berkin'" , Jeff_Swank , jgiglio , jimb , jockodc , john claman , john schaaf , "Weinstein, John, Dr, NSS" , "John.Nelson" , "john.schaaf" , joneswl , JonSpittle , jrduffy@XXXXXX, judy soukup , juttekraus , jwfreyjr , kays1 , Ken Bour , kevin thomas , larry wilson , larry_wilson , Lgvxlh883 , linda tanner , louis betancourt , louis caplan , lvarouxis , Mark Elledge , Matt Elliott - DIGEX , "'matt farina'" , matt hayes , Matthew Ducey , meierch , merscht , meyer , Michael Dow , mike , "'Mike Lee'" , Morris Berman , mxc11@XXXXXX, neweiss , nomad98 , "Paul A. Douglas" , "Paul W. Wisneskey" , pdenno , "Perry D. Coleman" , peter soukup , "PRogers.dit" , Randy Chartier <74537.1737@XXXXXX>, Randy.Chartier@XXXXXX, remenick , RFRAER@XXXXXX, RichDe@XXXXXX, Robert M Darden , robertst , r_k_dow , sae pak , "Sandra.Gladysz" , scotje , slarrab@XXXXXX, SRFox , Steele Gordon , Stephan Lee , "STEPHEN R. LOHMAN" <103126.2533@XXXXXX>, "sbeck@XXXXXX" , steveb , STEVE_JOHNSON , tbgliz , tbgrogha , terpstra , "Higdon, SFC Thomas" , "tod r. botcher" , Tracy Minter , "venture.royale" , "Osidach, Vera Z." , vzo1 , "w.r. ohara" , wef , "McLoone, William J." , dc-cycles Subject: Re: HSTA STAR98 References: <19980108172742.YBTG6587@[166.41.242.141]> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------7A30FA887659F7325BE08F9A" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------7A30FA887659F7325BE08F9A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't mean to steal attention from Todd's trip plans, but I figure that there are anough people for several trips this year. The Honda Hoot, in Asheville, is during the same weekend. The Lake George, NY Americade deal is within a week or two of that weekend. I know that getting accomodations *now* is the thing to do. Let's all try to get a few group trips organized. I've got a friend who wants to go to Jackson Hole in July to climb Grand Teton, and I am toying with riding out and doing the climb. Just a few ideas... --Fritz Todd Peer wrote: > STAR is the annual HSTA national gathering. This year it will be in > TAOS, New Mexico beginning June 21, ending June 24 at the SageBrush > Inn and Conference Center (it's a resort). For the registration fee, > you get a bunch of junk, a door prize ticket, and I understand they > give away a new Honda (a VTR1000 last year). > > Aside from the reputation this part of NM has for excellent roads, > there will be demo rides on Honda, and so far Yamaha. > > Linda Tanner and I are making our way out for this event and will then > travel out west for awhile more. I believe she will be heading back > home within a two week time frame. I will be out for three, if I can > get the time off. > > The event is for HSTA members, but that never stopped Steve Beck ;-) > and the registration fee is $35 early and $45 at the event. Again, > if you're Steve Beck, you just go for the ride which is why me and > Linda are going too! > > If anyone would like to join us, HSTA members or not, let us know! > Or if you plan to be out west between June 21 and July 7 (when I plan > to head back) we'd love to meet up with you. > > The tentative plan now is to rent a truck (leaving June 19) and haul > out to Oklahoma, then ride the rest of the way in. Re: get past the > boring stuff. > > For more information about the HSTA: > > http://members.aol.com/hstawww/index.html > > Todd > +-----------------------------+---------------+ > | '91 ST1100 - Raven STeel | STOC #487 | > | '92 CB750 - Carbon Beauty | HSTA #7615 | > | '83 VT500 - Dark Shadow | AMA #542907 | > +-----------------------------+---------------+ --------------7A30FA887659F7325BE08F9A Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="vcard.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Neil Ames Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vcard.vcf" begin: vcard fn: Neil Ames n: Ames;Neil org: ORION Scientific Systems adr: 8400 Westpark Dr., Suite 200;;;McLean;Virginia;22102;USA email;internet: names@XXXXXX title: MIS Manager / Senior Associate tel;work: (703) 917-6220 tel;fax: (703) 917-0394 tel;home: (703) 351-0797 x-mozilla-cpt: ;0 x-mozilla-html: FALSE version: 2.1 end: vcard --------------7A30FA887659F7325BE08F9A-- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 8 13:31:15 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA20412; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 13:31:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA25034; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 13:30:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA11682; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 13:30:55 -0500 (EST) From: C.Fagan/MSC01@XXXXXX Received: from SMTP (auntie_virus.osc.uscg.mil [10.49.120.11]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA27297; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 13:47:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from internet.uscg.mil ([192.168.49.8]) by 10.49.120.11 (Norton AntiVirus for Internet Email Gateways 1.0) ; Thu, 08 Jan 1998 18:30:36 0000 (GMT) Received: From InternetGateway by internet.uscg.mil with InterMail (5.4 MIME) Id MSC01-099947@XXXXXX ; 8 Jan 98 13:30:00 EST Message-Id: Subject: Re: HSTA STAR98 In reply to 82DB069444E4 Date: 8 Jan 98 13:24:56 EST To: Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX cc: !dc-cycles/InternetGateway@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ELK CITY!! mwa ha ha ha..... Burned out oil field town... However, it's an ok place and hotels and such are cheap.... What road were you planning on taking to Taos??? I'll have to look at a map again, as I never headed out to NM very often... Just a bit north of Elk City is a town named WoodWard on hwy 270 ( I think this heads straight to Taos) It's also an old oilfield town that is a little more alive still... Either way, you are talking out in the BOONIES!!! My brother lives just north of Elk City and a bit East of Woodward...He definitely has room to park a u-haul at his place, and depending on the numbers, I'me sure he could host a few people for a night (I will have to approve that with the RULING GODDESS of his home though)..but u-haul storage I can approve :) I'll have to see when My family reunion is scheduled this year...I may join along for the trek... Collin ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ****** FORWARDED MESSAGE ****** Date: Jan 8, 1998 12:54 PM Message ID: 82DB0F52457C From: Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX/Internet To: dc-cycles , C.Fagan/MSC01@XXXXXX Copies: Blind CC: Attach: Subject: Re: HSTA STAR98 In reply to 82DB069444E4 Elk City. That seemed like the more populated type town on the map that we could drop off a u-haul. Yeah, definitely would be nice to have some friends lend us a place to stay that evening. Thanks! T From: C.Fagan/MSC01@XXXXXX Message-Id: Subject: HSTA STAR98 In reply to 82DB069444E4 Date: 8 Jan 98 12:42:17 EST To: Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX Todd, Where abouts in Oklahoma do you plan on hauling to and stopping??? I've got more family in that area than you can shake a stick at...I'm definitely sure I can arrange for a hot shower and good meal somehwere in additon to plenty of couch/sleeping bag space to crash.. Let me know...My brother lives about two hours from the New Mexico border and its right on the main throughfare to Taos...If ya need any other area info let me know... Feel free to forward this to everyone else as I'm not able to do a reply all on this cursed green machine we still use.... Collin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 8 13:32:51 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA20457; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 13:32:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA25087; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 13:32:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from oak.eainet.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA11727; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 13:32:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from oak.eainet.com (oak.eainet.com [206.136.246.2]) by oak.eainet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA15172; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 13:32:37 -0500 Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 13:32:36 -0500 (EST) From: Peter Hartzler To: Sean Sullivan cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Sunday Ride (?) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sean -- Galileo's experiment did not take into account the storage of energy in a rotating component of the moving object (angular momentum, the wheels). Nor did Galileo's experiment account for dynamic drag, which is roughly a function of velocity, fluid viscosity, frontal area and length (Reynold's number), not mass. You didn't *really* want to start a public thread on this stuff on DC-Cycles, now did you?? :) Pete. On Thu, 8 Jan 1998, Sean Sullivan wrote: > Re: Sunday Ride (?) > > Todd, > I thought Galileo showed a skinny rider on a sportbike falls as fast as a big guy on an > ST1100. :) > Sean [snip -- fizix stuff] From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 8 13:38:48 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA20571; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 13:38:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA25427; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 13:38:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA11917; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 13:38:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id MAA20187; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 12:37:48 -0600 (CST) Received: from imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid01.mcit.com [166.37.221.13]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id NAA15631; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 13:37:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19980108183747.SHET215@[166.41.242.141]>; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 12:37:47 -0600 Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 13:23 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: Sean Sullivan CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Sunday Ride (?) X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980108183747.SHET215@[166.41.242.141]> In a vacuum my dear sir gravity effects all objects equally. An extreme comparison in our friction filled atmosphere makes my point though. Hold a feather (sport bike) and a brick (ST1100) at the same level and release. Which one reaches earth first? T Message-Id: Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 13:15:57 -0500 From: Sean Sullivan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Sunday Ride (?) Content-Disposition: inline Re: Sunday Ride (?) Todd, I thought Galileo showed a skinny rider on a sportbike falls as fast as a big guy on an ST1100. :) Sean Todd to Louis: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of course you would! You'd come close to winning on that big assed Concours. However, unless some GoldWinger shows, rest assured the ST1100 with its 650+ pounds carrying its 230+ pound payload will win due to the enormous momentum involved. You sport bike guys can kiss it goodbye, especially if there is a breeze blowing uphill ;-) Todd +-----------------------------+---------------+ | '91 ST1100 - Raven STeel | STOC #487 | | '92 CB750 - Carbon Beauty | HSTA #7615 | | '83 VT500 - Dark Shadow | AMA #542907 | +-----------------------------+---------------+ <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 8 13:51:20 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA20788; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 13:51:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA25908; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 13:51:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA12214; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 13:50:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id MAA24739; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 12:50:28 -0600 (CST) Received: from nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (nmta2.mcit.com [166.37.172.3]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id NAA14317; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 13:50:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from mci.com ([166.32.114.127]) by nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with ESMTP id <19980108185028.YZED6587@XXXXXX>; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 13:50:28 -0500 Message-ID: <34B51FF3.F6F6F9A6@mci.com> Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 13:50:27 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Reply-To: Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Peter Hartzler CC: DC Cycles List Subject: Re: Sunday Ride (?) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reynold's number - AUGGGGHHH! I haven't heard of that since college. This Aerospace Engineering Degree of mine won't do me any good someday when I need it. Computer stuff keeps displacing what little knowledge I had. Won't the variation of pressure with altitude factor into any of these calculations? Or would you consider the effect constant even with the difference in wetted areas between bike+rider combinations? Dale (the Horkster) Peter Hartzler wrote: > Sean -- > > Galileo's experiment did not take into account the storage of energy in a > rotating component of the moving object (angular momentum, the wheels). > Nor did Galileo's experiment account for dynamic drag, which is roughly a > function of velocity, fluid viscosity, frontal area and length (Reynold's > number), not mass. > > You didn't *really* want to start a public thread on this stuff on > DC-Cycles, now did you?? :) > > Pete. > > On Thu, 8 Jan 1998, Sean Sullivan wrote: > > > Re: Sunday Ride (?) > > > > Todd, > > I thought Galileo showed a skinny rider on a sportbike falls as fast as a big guy on an > > ST1100. :) > > Sean > > [snip -- fizix stuff] From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 8 13:58:40 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA20930; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 13:58:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA25990; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 13:58:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from xcgca011.northgrum.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA12432; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 13:58:25 -0500 (EST) Received: by XCGCA011 with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 10:59:10 -0800 Message-ID: <11D743514607D011A15500805FEA3464A45DAF@xcgva001.grumman.com> From: "Meier, Christopher" To: Sean Sullivan , "'Todd Peer'" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Sunday Ride (?) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 10:58:25 -0800 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain > ---------- > From: Todd Peer[SMTP:Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, January 08, 1998 1:23 PM > To: Sean Sullivan > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Sunday Ride (?) > > In a vacuum my dear sir gravity effects all objects equally. An > extreme comparison in our friction filled atmosphere makes my point > though. Hold a feather (sport bike) and a brick (ST1100) at the > same level and release. Which one reaches earth first? > > Todd, Of course that could be offset by aerodynamics ... hold a arrow (sport bike) and a barn door (ST1100) at the same level and release ... But it is really a mute point anyway, since us guys all know from our Cub Scout days that the one who wins is the one with the most graphite on the wheels! :-) Later, chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 8 14:02:42 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA20986; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 14:02:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from ringding.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA26053; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 14:02:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil by ringding.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA09253; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 14:02:28 -0500 (EST) From: C.Fagan/MSC01@XXXXXX Received: from SMTP (auntie_virus.osc.uscg.mil [10.49.120.11]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA00527; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 14:19:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from internet.uscg.mil ([192.168.49.8]) by 10.49.120.11 (Norton AntiVirus for Internet Email Gateways 1.0) ; Thu, 08 Jan 1998 19:02:07 0000 (GMT) Received: From InternetGateway by internet.uscg.mil with InterMail (5.4 MIME) Id MSC01-099957@XXXXXX ; 8 Jan 98 14:01:31 EST Message-Id: Subject: Re: HSTA STAR98 In reply to 82DB069444E4 Date: 8 Jan 98 13:54:25 EST To: Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX cc: !dc-cycles/InternetGateway@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Duh, it just hit me that you would be turning in the U-haul rather than paying for it for three weeks... Again, let me know what main road you're taking and I can let you know what's most convenient for drop off.... I'm pretty sure Elk City, Woodward, Weatherford, or Enid all have u-haul drop offs... I'll have to check, but I think a few of the smaller towns near my bro have u-haul places too... All depends on what roads you plan on using and if ya wanna crash with my brother (he's a bit more obnocious than me he he he scary thought, ain't it)... Collin ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ****** FORWARDED MESSAGE ****** Date: Jan 8, 1998 1:32 PM Message ID: 82DB17CE4627 From: Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX/Internet To: C.Fagan/MSC01@XXXXXX Copies: !dc-cycles/InternetGateway@XXXXXX Blind CC: Attach: Subject: Re: HSTA STAR98 In reply to 82DB069444E4 Kewl! Love to have you along! But it sounds like there may not be a drop off for the truck there. I need to stop in a u-haul and talk to 'em. The trip involve the truck only for a day. The rest is riding. Todd From: C.Fagan/MSC01@XXXXXX Message-Id: Subject: Re: HSTA STAR98 In reply to 82DB069444E4 Date: 8 Jan 98 13:24:56 EST To: Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX cc: !dc-cycles/InternetGateway@XXXXXX ELK CITY!! mwa ha ha ha..... Burned out oil field town... However, it's an ok place and hotels and such are cheap.... What road were you planning on taking to Taos??? I'll have to look at a map again, as I never headed out to NM very often... Just a bit north of Elk City is a town named WoodWard on hwy 270 ( I think this heads straight to Taos) It's also an old oilfield town that is a little more alive still... Either way, you are talking out in the BOONIES!!! My brother lives just north of Elk City and a bit East of Woodward...He definitely has room to park a u-haul at his place, and depending on the numbers, I'me sure he could host a few people for a night (I will have to approve that with the RULING GODDESS of his home though)..but u-haul storage I can approve :) I'll have to see when My family reunion is scheduled this year...I may join along for the trek... Collin ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ****** FORWARDED MESSAGE ****** Date: Jan 8, 1998 12:54 PM Message ID: 82DB0F52457C From: Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX/Internet To: dc-cycles , C.Fagan/MSC01@XXXXXX Copies: Blind CC: Attach: Subject: Re: HSTA STAR98 In reply to 82DB069444E4 Elk City. That seemed like the more populated type town on the map that we could drop off a u-haul. Yeah, definitely would be nice to have some friends lend us a place to stay that evening. Thanks! T From: C.Fagan/MSC01@XXXXXX Message-Id: Subject: HSTA STAR98 In reply to 82DB069444E4 Date: 8 Jan 98 12:42:17 EST To: Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX Todd, Where abouts in Oklahoma do you plan on hauling to and stopping??? I've got more family in that area than you can shake a stick at...I'm definitely sure I can arrange for a hot shower and good meal somehwere in additon to plenty of couch/sleeping bag space to crash.. Let me know...My brother lives about two hours from the New Mexico border and its right on the main throughfare to Taos...If ya need any other area info let me know... Feel free to forward this to everyone else as I'm not able to do a reply all on this cursed green machine we still use.... Collin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 8 14:25:48 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA21358; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 14:25:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA26999; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 14:25:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from research.circ.gwu.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA00994; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 14:25:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from gwis2.circ.gwu.edu (mpt@gwis2 [128.164.127.252]) by research.circ.gwu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA05975; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 14:25:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (mpt@localhost) by gwis2.circ.gwu.edu (SMI-8.6/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA29656; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 14:25:31 -0500 Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 14:25:31 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Tolocka To: Dale Horstman cc: Peter Hartzler , DC Cycles List Subject: Re: Sunday Ride (?) In-Reply-To: <34B51FF3.F6F6F9A6@mci.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Just some questions from a combustion scientist: I thought the Reynolds number of a system had to do with turbulence, i.e numbers over like 2000 indicates the flow is not laminar, but turbulent. Re = (density*velocity*radius)/(viscosity) Wouldn't the Reynolds number of the system be the same for both cases? IF it isn't, how does the Reynolds number affect the rate of speed for the fall? _aloha_ _Mike_ AMA#608333 1990 CB-1 _Keep the shiny side up_ On Thu, 8 Jan 1998, Dale Horstman wrote: > Reynold's number - AUGGGGHHH! I haven't heard of that since > college. This Aerospace Engineering Degree of mine > won't do me any good someday when I need it. Computer stuff keeps > displacing what little knowledge I had. > > Won't the variation of pressure with altitude factor into any of these > calculations? Or would you consider the effect constant even with > the difference in wetted areas between bike+rider combinations? > > Dale (the Horkster) > > Peter Hartzler wrote: > > > Sean -- > > > > Galileo's experiment did not take into account the storage of energy in a > > rotating component of the moving object (angular momentum, the wheels). > > Nor did Galileo's experiment account for dynamic drag, which is roughly a > > function of velocity, fluid viscosity, frontal area and length (Reynold's > > number), not mass. > > > > You didn't *really* want to start a public thread on this stuff on > > DC-Cycles, now did you?? :) > > > > Pete. > > > > On Thu, 8 Jan 1998, Sean Sullivan wrote: > > > > > Re: Sunday Ride (?) > > > > > > Todd, > > > I thought Galileo showed a skinny rider on a sportbike falls as fast as a big guy on an > > > ST1100. :) > > > Sean > > > > [snip -- fizix stuff] > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 8 14:36:48 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA21550; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 14:36:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA27323; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 14:36:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA01313; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 14:36:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from default ([12.68.76.104]) by mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA8096; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 19:36:01 +0000 Message-ID: <34B529E0.2191@worldnet.att.net> Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 14:32:49 -0500 From: kevin thomas Reply-To: klthomas@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sean Sullivan CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, badams@XXXXXX Subject: Re: tridelphia References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sean-- Let me see if I can pull some routes out of the fog...... I guess I take (damn, I can't even remember how to get to Damascus! Better check a map before you follow this) 124 or 27 (which we took [27] to the Trials, Sean) to Damascus, when it ends, or nearly ends at a mall, turn right on 108(?). Follow that till it turns into (intersects? Really check that map) New Hampshire av, then left on Brighton Dam Rd. You'll shortly cross the Tridelphia Resevoir, which is a big bulge in the Patuxent River. There's a wildlife area there, famous for Azaleas. I really don't know where I go after that. The roads are a bit smaller and rural. Seems you'll come to a stopsign. Kinda take the right fork there for a semi direct way over to 32, or left and ride around. Seems all roads there loop around to that one at the stop sign, so you can't get too lost. That's how I do it, just find a nice looking place and get lost there.... have fun Kevin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 8 14:49:03 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA21739; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 14:49:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA27548; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 14:48:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA01673; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 14:48:45 -0500 (EST) From: RDWOODJR Message-ID: Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 14:40:22 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Synthetic Oil....leaks???? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) << People say they were abducted by space aliens, Richard says synthetic oil leaks out of bikes that didn't leak regular oil. I don't want to say it didn't happen, but it sure didn't happen to anybody when I was there to see it. I think I should store this response for the quarterly return of this thread....... Later Kevin >> Ok, Kev, I was just relating personal observations after 22 years of parts and service department management experince at large motorcycle dealerships. Can't say it happens ervery time, I only saw it when it did. Richard From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 8 14:58:27 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA21897; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 14:58:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA27624; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 14:58:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA01986; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 14:58:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id NAA21157 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 13:57:40 -0600 (CST) Received: from nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (nmta2.mcit.com [166.37.172.3]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id NAA24303 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 13:57:38 -0600 (CST) Received: from mci.com ([166.32.114.127]) by nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with ESMTP id <19980108195738.ZSGH6587@XXXXXX> for ; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 14:57:38 -0500 Message-ID: <34B52FB1.44301DA0@mci.com> Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 14:57:37 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Reply-To: Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: lost? References: <34B529E0.2191@worldnet.att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey, I've been telling the wife this for a while, you ain't lost if you aren't going anywhere in particular. If you don't have a ride preplanned, just get out there and follow your nose. I like to just take off and in general head south and west from my house. I know at some point (this is for N. VA area ) I'll have to cross Rte 1/I95 on the East, some long main road like Rt 15 on the West, and I66 for a Northern boundary. I just run until I come across one of those, and then I zip home. If I get to any state borders, I've gone too far! Of couse, I do bring along a map just in case! *wink* kevin thomas wrote: > Sean-- > > Let me see if I can pull some routes out of the fog...... > > > That's how I do it, just find a nice looking place and > get lost there.... > > have fun > > Kevin > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 8 15:12:52 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA22169; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 15:12:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA27763; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 15:12:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from DONALD.CDER.FDA.GOV by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA02380; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 15:12:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mr.cder.fda.gov by fdaserv.cder.fda.gov (PMDF V5.1-8 #21467) id <01IS500BE1WG8ZHACM@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 15:13:02 EST Received: with PMDF-MR; Thu, 08 Jan 1998 15:07:56 -0500 (EST) MR-Received: by mta DONALD; Relayed; Thu, 08 Jan 1998 15:07:56 -0500 Alternate-recipient: prohibited Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 15:08:16 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy Subject: Re: tridelphia To: DC Cycles Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Posting-date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 15:08:17 -0500 (EST) Importance: normal Priority: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential UA-content-id: E1553IER39GBQ X400-MTS-identifier: [;65705180108991/2238805@FDACD] A1-type: MAIL Hop-count: 1 >Really check that map) New Hampshire av, then left on Brighton Dam Rd. I'm pretty sure that Brighton Dam Rd is currently closed (the names of all the dam roads run together in my head...), also Browns Bridge Rd/Ednor Rd, and Haviland Mill Rd. I took the long way home from work a couple of weeks ago and kept finding that most of my options for heading east were closed. I will do another run by to see if the situation has changed. Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 8 15:19:27 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA22271; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 15:19:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA27971; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 15:19:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA02565; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 15:19:12 -0500 (EST) From: Jinn Sinn Message-ID: <57f88967.34b5330b@aol.com> Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 15:11:55 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: SATURDAY RIDE Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) OK one more time.....who wants to go Saturday......leave around 11? back by 4ish? anybody care to lead? (don't look at me....I'm a lowly newbie) Marcy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 8 15:47:20 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA22744; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 15:47:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA29492; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 15:46:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.clark.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA03414; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 15:46:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from clark.net (louis@XXXXXX [168.143.0.7]) by mail.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA15583; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 15:46:52 -0500 (EST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Received: (from louis@localhost) by clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA26347; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 15:46:50 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199801082046.PAA26347@clark.net> Subject: Re: SATURDAY RIDE To: JinnSinn@XXXXXX (Jinn Sinn) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 15:46:49 -0500 (EST) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) In-Reply-To: <57f88967.34b5330b@aol.com> from "Jinn Sinn" at Jan 8, 98 03:11:55 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24alpha3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > > OK one more time.....who wants to go Saturday......leave around 11? back by > 4ish? > anybody care to lead? (don't look at me....I'm a lowly newbie) > > Marcy I'm game. If no one else steps up, I'll even lead. I have the route sheets for a 90 mile run starting from the old Dixie Pig (Beacon Mall on Rt. 1 in Alexandria) Louis From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 8 15:59:27 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA22914; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 15:59:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA29700; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 15:59:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from dns01.ops.usa.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA03741; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 15:59:08 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 26482 invoked by alias); 8 Jan 1998 20:59:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 26466 invoked from network); 8 Jan 1998 20:59:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jywon.imi?dc) (12.3.130.190) by dns01.ops.usa.net with SMTP; 8 Jan 1998 20:59:04 -0000 Message-ID: <004f01bd1c78$3f8cfea0$be82030c@jywon.imi_dc> Reply-To: "Justin Won" From: "Justin Won" To: Subject: Re: coast racing Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 15:58:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Gotta disagree with you on that one. Downshifting not only ensures that you're in the right gear for your speed but can also provide a significant amount of braking. I nearly perfected the art on my Nova Scotia trip when I forgot to remove my disk lock and broke my front caliper 1/4 of the way into the trip. Justin -----Original Message----- From: Wu Don To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wednesday, January 07, 1998 19:25 PM Subject: coast racing >><< Engine off coast racing" >> > >>Is VERY dangerous and should only be done by experienced people....ie. >>NOT newbies. Reason being is that there is no engine braking > >Engines aren't for braking! Engines are for accelerating! Brakes are >for braking. :) >I think Keith Code said this. Or something along those lines. > >Don From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 8 17:15:53 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA24693; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 17:15:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA02026; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 17:15:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA06070; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 17:15:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from rdt.erols.com (man-as2s37.erols.com [207.172.73.100]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA02291; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 17:15:38 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199801082215.RAA02291@smtp1.erols.com> From: "Roy D. Turner" To: "Louis F. Caplan" , "Jinn Sinn" Cc: "DC-Cycles List" Subject: Re: SATURDAY RIDE Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 17:14:07 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is 11:00 agreed upon? Roy D. Turner, Esq. ---------- > From: Louis F. Caplan > To: Jinn Sinn > Cc: DC-Cycles List > Subject: Re: SATURDAY RIDE > Date: Thursday, January 08, 1998 3:46 PM > > > > > OK one more time.....who wants to go Saturday......leave around 11? back by > > 4ish? > > anybody care to lead? (don't look at me....I'm a lowly newbie) > > > > Marcy > > I'm game. If no one else steps up, I'll even lead. I have the route > sheets for a 90 mile run starting from the old Dixie Pig (Beacon Mall > on Rt. 1 in Alexandria) > > Louis > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 8 17:15:58 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA24698; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 17:15:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA02030; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 17:15:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA06074; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 17:15:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from rdt.erols.com (man-as2s37.erols.com [207.172.73.100]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA01546; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 17:13:19 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199801082213.RAA01546@smtp1.erols.com> From: "Roy D. Turner" To: "Jinn Sinn" , Subject: Re: Ride Sunday...Make it Saturday!!!??? Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 17:11:47 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I can only ride this Saturday. What route and time do you suggest? Roy D. Turner, Esq. ---------- > From: Jinn Sinn > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Ride Sunday...Make it Saturday!!!??? > Date: Wednesday, January 07, 1998 10:28 PM > > OOPS......I have a meeting at 1 and am supposed to see a friend at > 3.(Sunday).......damn.... > anybody want to go Saturday instead??? PLEASE? :D >> > > Marcy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 8 17:20:28 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA24734; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 17:20:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA02109; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 17:20:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA06192; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 17:20:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id QAA18526; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 16:19:38 -0600 (CST) Received: from imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid02.mcit.com [166.37.221.14]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id QAA32390; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 16:19:36 -0600 (CST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19980108221935.SCMT28757@[166.41.242.141]>; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 16:19:35 -0600 Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 17:11 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: "Louis F. Caplan" CC: JinnSinn@XXXXXX (Jinn Sinn), dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) Subject: Re: SATURDAY RIDE X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980108221935.SCMT28757@[166.41.242.141]> I think I'd be up for this. Louis, can you elaborate on the route? I'd like to be in Falls Church before 4pm, which seems doable for 90 miles. Todd PS. I still may make the MD ride as well on Sunday. It'd be nice to meet some more of the MD contingent. > > OK one more time.....who wants to go Saturday......leave around 11? back by > 4ish? > anybody care to lead? (don't look at me....I'm a lowly newbie) > > Marcy I'm game. If no one else steps up, I'll even lead. I have the route sheets for a 90 mile run starting from the old Dixie Pig (Beacon Mall on Rt. 1 in Alexandria) Louis From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 8 17:43:17 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA25170; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 17:43:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA02355; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 17:42:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp2.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA06880; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 17:42:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (spg-tnt7s158.erols.com [207.172.37.158]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA04338 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 17:42:41 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <34B557B2.80F81C87@geocities.com> Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 17:48:19 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Fluid Mechanics 101 (was Sunday Ride) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I couldn't resist on this one....We're talking my background now... (Collin digging through a trunk...ahhh found it...Fundamentals of Fluid Mechanics) Sean and Michael: You are both correct.... Reynolds number is used to show laminar, boundary, and turbulent flow. However, The drag coefficient for a body can be highly dependant on the reynolds number..For a medium with a low reynolds number (Re<1), the drag coefficient works out to be a shape constant divided by the reynolds number. As Reynolds number increases, the drag coefficient begins to decrease. At the point that turbulent flow is met (10^5<10^6) their is a sudden drop in both the drag coefficient AND the actual drag...The drag coefficient from this point varies depending on the projected frontal area of the object.... As far as pressure concerns go, Horkster, unless we're talking a really really high hill, the pressure differential will be fairly negligible. And compressibility (Mach number) only comes into play if you've got a bike trying to set a land speed record ;-) Complicating things even more, the Froude number is probably pretty prevalent in our little experiment. This number has to do with the energy lost from the wave created by the body..i.e. upstream free speed of the fluid (air) to the wave speed generated....In our case (and coincidentally in line with my type of work..boats) this effect will be quite significant...(If ya ever wondered, this is why some big ships have a funny looking projection on the front called a bulbous bow...it changes the wave pattern at an optimum speed greatly lowering the froude number and the drag) As for Galileo, I think it was a pound of feathers falls at the same rate as a pound of lead, neglecting drag of course (assume tightly packed square of feathers...they should hit almost exactly together) As for our bikes, I think the bike with the lower drag coefficient (sport bikes) will attain a greater terminal velocity (which should occur very rapidly for coast racing). However, the bike with the most mass (ST1100) will travel farther due to a greater initial potential energy...arrgh..now we're talking dynamics class he he he. hmmm, guess putting in my application for the Coast Guard to pay for grad school might be a good idea after all...I'm rusty!! CT -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 8 17:47:42 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA25291; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 17:47:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA02402; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 17:47:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA07025; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 17:47:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay2.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id RAA07166; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 17:47:22 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 17:46:02 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D34F438@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Todd Peer'" , "Louis F. Caplan" Cc: JinnSinn@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: SATURDAY RIDE Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 17:45:02 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Yeah! Yeah! Ride Sunday!! - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Todd Peer [SMTP:Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, January 08, 1998 5:11 PM > To: Louis F. Caplan > Cc: JinnSinn@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: SATURDAY RIDE > > > I think I'd be up for this. Louis, can you elaborate on the route? > I'd like to be in Falls Church before 4pm, which seems doable for 90 > miles. > > Todd > > PS. I still may make the MD ride as well on Sunday. It'd be nice > to meet some more of the MD contingent. > > > > > OK one more time.....who wants to go Saturday......leave around 11? > back by > > 4ish? > > anybody care to lead? (don't look at me....I'm a lowly newbie) > > > > Marcy > > I'm game. If no one else steps up, I'll even lead. I have the route > sheets for a 90 mile run starting from the old Dixie Pig (Beacon Mall > on Rt. 1 in Alexandria) > > Louis From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 8 17:54:03 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA25447; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 17:54:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA02439; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 17:53:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA07230; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 17:53:41 -0500 (EST) From: WantA ZX6 Message-ID: <50aadd26.34b558b2@aol.com> Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 17:52:33 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ride Sunday (?)..coast racing Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) In a message dated 98-01-08 05:14:56 EST, you write: << I agree with the no engine braking (although there could be if you were to put it in gear and release the clutch) But I don't understand how 1) Coasting is anymore dangerous on a motorcycle than a bicycle or 2) How starting the engine improves traction. Does this mean that coasting downhill with the motor running is less dangerous? >> It is my hypothesis but powered wheels are turning against the pavement (ie. heat buildup and such). When coasting the wheels are rolling WITH the road...understand? I know what I mean but cant really think of how to say it. Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 8 18:09:17 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA25666; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 18:09:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA02681; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 18:08:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.clark.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA07636; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 18:08:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from clark.net (louis@XXXXXX [168.143.0.7]) by mail.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA20952 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 18:08:19 -0500 (EST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Received: (from louis@localhost) by clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA22958 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 18:08:18 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199801082308.SAA22958@clark.net> Subject: Ride on Saturday To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 18:08:17 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24alpha3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Ok, the route I was thinking of was the PARR Polar Bear route Jan 1 1996. It ends at the interchange of Rt. 123 and I 95 (by Occoquan). The somewhat halfway point (56.3 mi) is a McDonalds on Rt. 28 near Manassas. Leaving at 11:00 sounds fine by me, but if we translate that into DC-Cycles time, that would mean meaning about noon. And giving the time limits people have, that will be cutting it close. So I'll be blunt here. I'm pulling out of the parking lot at 11:30 sharp. Please arrive with your bike gassed up (there are plenty of gas stations on Rt. 1. What was the Dixie Pig is now a Rite Aid. It's across the street from the Beacon Hill Mall. From the beltway, take exit 1, Rt. 1 SOUTH. The Rite Aid is on your left at a traffic light (Beacon Hill Rd) I'll be in the parking lot about 11:00 am. I will try to make some copies of the route sheet, but giving the short time, I can't make guarentees. Assuming we don't stay too long at McDonalds, I think we can make it to the I-95 interchange by about 3 pm. Louis From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 8 19:16:12 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA26793; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 19:16:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA04836; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 19:15:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA09336; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 19:15:49 -0500 (EST) From: WantA ZX6 Message-ID: <46d4cac2.34b56c24@aol.com> Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 19:15:32 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ride Sunday (?)..coast racing Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) In a message dated 98-01-08 18:20:46 EST, you write: << Does this mean that coasting downhill with the motor running is less dangerous? >> It is my hypothesis but powered wheels are turning against the pavement (ie. heat buildup and such). When coasting the wheels are rolling WITH the road...understand? I know what I mean but cant really think of how to say it. >> Oh yeah and what the other guy said about the cornering stuff ; ). Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 8 19:24:48 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA26937; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 19:24:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA04928; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 19:24:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA09572; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 19:24:41 -0500 (EST) From: WantA ZX6 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 19:21:46 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Fluid Mechanics 101 (was Sunday Ride) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) In a message dated 98-01-08 18:00:03 EST, you write: << I couldn't resist on this one....We're talking my background now... (Collin digging through a trunk...ahhh found it...Fundamentals of Fluid Mechanics) >> I think Collin would win the coast race no matter who is in it. We ALL know he would never even THINK about touching the brakes.....hahaha. Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 8 19:52:52 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA27301; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 19:52:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA05167; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 19:52:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA10154; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 19:52:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.his.com by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA28875; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 19:52:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from harris.his.com (harris.his.com [205.252.80.17]) by mail.his.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA01374 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 19:52:39 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980108195220.008ad180@mail.his.com> X-Sender: harris@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 19:52:20 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Stephen Harris Subject: Sunday ride, fear not, better direction! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I've gotten a few more questions for directions. If you have web access check out the site below; http://206.129.166.100/MapQ?QO=A&QV=lycos&streetaddress=112+Woodland+Rd&city =Gaithersburg&state=MD&zip=20877-2025&level=8&width=400&height=300&icontitle s=yes&POI1streetaddress=112+Woodland+Rd&POI1city=Gaithersburg&POI1state=MD&P OI1iconid=2 Just copy the above url & past into your brouser. It will show a map of where I'm at. I still intend on leaving at 12:45 sharp. Be fueled & ready to go. I should be home all morning, call if you need further info at 301 990 6408. You can show up at noon or earlier if you want, but I leave for the ride at 12:45. All of the talk about coast "racing" has made me sorry I brought it up. I guarantee that 495 is more dangerous that anything I will be doing on public roads on Sunday. If you can handle 495, you can handle power off riding down Sugarloaf. Really, you will be giggling when you see it, much ado about nothing. S Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 8 22:00:15 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA28876; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 22:00:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA06553; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 21:59:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA12184; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 21:59:47 -0500 (EST) From: Lgvxlh883 Message-ID: <926aba91.34b5903d@aol.com> Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 21:49:33 EST To: ghowell@XXXXXX, ROYK@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ride Sunday (?) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) There are plenty of places to ride on the Maryland (Montogmery County, Frederick County) side of the Potomac that are well worth the trip. Unfortunately, I'm a fair weather rider and won't be riding with you this weekend. But, I do have some ride routes for those who may be willing to try them. Drop me a line if you'd like more details. Lisa V. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 00:52:19 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA00954; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 00:52:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA08754; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 00:51:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA14938; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 00:51:56 -0500 (EST) From: Jinn Sinn Message-ID: <7de88b45.34b5ba83@aol.com> Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 00:49:54 EST To: jlobrien@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: SATURDAY RIDE Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) In a message dated 98-01-08 17:48:33 EST, jlobrien@XXXXXX writes: << Yeah! Yeah! Ride Sunday!! - Jeannette >> No! No! Ride Saturday!!!!!! LOL Marcy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 00:59:21 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA00997; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 00:59:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA08794; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 00:59:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA15014; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 00:59:14 -0500 (EST) From: Jinn Sinn Message-ID: Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 00:57:58 EST To: louis@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ride on Saturday Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) >From my house in DC I get on the beltway right about at the Pentagon (going toward VA and National airport) ... am I going to miss the exit 1??? If i can find it....I'll be there..... In a message dated 98-01-08 18:21:15 EST, louis@XXXXXX writes: << What was the Dixie Pig is now a Rite Aid. It's across the street from the Beacon Hill Mall. From the beltway, take exit 1, Rt. 1 SOUTH. The Rite Aid is on your left at a traffic light (Beacon Hill Rd) I'll be in the parking lot about 11:00 am. >> From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 02:06:52 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA01503; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 02:06:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA09114; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 02:06:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA15860; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 02:06:37 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id CAA02075; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 02:02:22 -0500 Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 01:52:37 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Synthetic Oil....how???? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 6 Jan 1998, RDWOODJR wrote: > Lets ask Leon what oils he has used in his CX500 & CX650's. I never sold him > any motorcycle-specific oil, so I can only guess that he has good results with > something else. Doesn't matter what Leon uses,CX's are indestructable. ;-) Seriously.There was one that was passed around my dad's club(like 4 different people owned it) that had 118K on it when the speedo finally quit.The last owner put another few K on it before selling it outside the club.The only thing ever done to the motor was regular maintenance.It had never been torn down for a rebuild. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 02:12:19 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA01527; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 02:12:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA09156; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 02:12:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA15896; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 02:12:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id CAA02125; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 02:08:00 -0500 Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 02:06:08 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Sender: "Gil M. Nissley" Reply-To: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Synthetic vs Dino To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <34B30903.EAE@mnsinc.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Tue, 6 Jan 1998, John C. Kozyn wrote: > BTW, I was advised to run a blend of synth/dino by Dennis of Crossroads > Cycle. He did not feel there was any problem in doing so, although I > don't remember what ratio he might have specified. If memory serves,isn't Honda HP4 a dino/synth blend?I seem to remember reading that on the label when I used to use it in my CBR9. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 02:28:18 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA01624; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 02:28:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA09208; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 02:27:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA16062; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 02:27:52 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id CAA02892; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 02:23:40 -0500 Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 02:08:29 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Ride Sunday & Other Nonsense To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <34B462CA.35@mnsinc.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 7 Jan 1998, John C. Kozyn wrote: > What bugged me however, were his remarks: "Hey, what kind of bike is > that? I've never ridden a motorcycle before but..." And then this gem: > "Hey, I saw an accident once and the guy wasn't wearing a full face > helmet and ... blood started gushing... and then his girlfriend went > into shock..." Question:has anyone here ever met someone new(while you're wearing a moto jacket/carrying a helmet) and _not_ heard a tale of someone dying on a bike?It's like people feel compelled to tell you how dangerous bikes are. I've never heard of anyone doing this with skiers or skydivers or bungie-jumpers.I can see it now;"Oh,you're a skier?That's so dangerous. I heard a Kennedy died that way!". :-P The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 02:33:18 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA01765; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 02:33:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA09261; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 02:33:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA16320; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 02:33:07 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id CAA02914; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 02:28:56 -0500 Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 02:23:59 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Ride Sunday (?) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 8 Jan 1998, George Howell wrote: > >P.S. I'm liking this rain riding!! > Ditto. Just wish I had a spare $150 so I could get the waxed cotton > pants, mittens, and boot covers to match the jacket. :) You and Jeannette are freaks. I spent 2 years riding in England.The main reason I live w/in walking distance of work is because now I don't _have_ to ride in the rain. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 06:46:32 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA04541; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 06:46:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA10894; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 06:46:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.clark.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA20186; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 06:46:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from explorer.clark.net (explorer.clark.net [168.143.0.7]) by mail.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA20448; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 06:46:00 -0500 (EST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Received: (from louis@localhost) by explorer.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA29120; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 06:45:59 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199801091145.GAA29120@explorer.clark.net> Subject: Re: SATURDAY RIDE To: JinnSinn@XXXXXX (Jinn Sinn) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 06:45:59 -0500 (EST) Cc: jlobrien@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <7de88b45.34b5ba83@aol.com> from "Jinn Sinn" at Jan 9, 98 00:49:54 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24alpha3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > In a message dated 98-01-08 17:48:33 EST, jlobrien@XXXXXX writes: > > << Yeah! Yeah! Ride Sunday!! > > - Jeannette >> > > No! No! Ride Saturday!!!!!! LOL > > Marcy Ride both days!! Louis From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 07:17:06 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA04723; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 07:17:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA11481; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 07:16:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from portal.visa.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA20461; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 07:16:52 -0500 (EST) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA29909 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Fri, 9 Jan 1998 04:16:51 -0800 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Fri, 9 Jan 1998 04:16:51 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Fluid Mechanics 101 (was Sunday Ride) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 04:17:59 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 19 TEXT My turn! My turn! Collin said: > However, the bike with the most mass (ST1100) will > travel farther due to a greater initial potential energy... I have to disagree with this - remember the TANSTAAFL principle - While the ST1100 will have more kinetic energy at speed, it will take more time (and energy) to acquire that velocity. I'll still put my $$$ on the slipperiest bike - ESPECIALLY if the rider uses lotsa graphite on the axles. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 08:21:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA05171; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 08:21:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA11754; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 08:21:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA00523; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 08:21:20 -0500 (EST) From: bmccoy@XXXXXX Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id IAA26191 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 08:21:19 -0500 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma026133; Fri, 9 Jan 98 08:21:09 -0500 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id IAA11416 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 08:21:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.11.00.3) id AA884351194; Fri, 09 Jan 98 08:18:16 -0500 Message-Id: <9801098843.AA884351194@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.11.00.3 Date: Fri, 09 Jan 98 08:04:33 -0500 To: Subject: lost mail.. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: "cc:Mail Note Part" ok guys (and girls) for some reason my mail server was on the fritz yesterday... I've seen a message or two this Am about a Saturday ride as well.. what's the story behind that? I had some other comments about things yesterday - but they obviously got lost in my crappy mail server... BTW, I had yet another moron do a left infront of me... I think I might have waken it up when I kicked the side as I went by... It seemed to ring pretty well (work van). I knew this moron was going to do it too... so I was well prepared, just glad nothing else came into play that would have taken my attention away... Gil - I HAVE met people for the first time in my 'stich and they didn't speak of horrible motorcycle acts... never at a hospital or clinic though... And mostly on the Nice coast (umm, that would NOT be the east coast) I think that's all... Brian From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 08:38:10 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA05329; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 08:38:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA12196; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 08:37:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from xcgca011.northgrum.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA00771; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 08:37:34 -0500 (EST) Received: by XCGCA011 with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 05:38:20 -0800 Message-ID: <11D743514607D011A15500805FEA3464A45DB4@xcgva001.grumman.com> From: "Meier, Christopher" To: "'Jinn Sinn'" Cc: "'dc-cycles'" Subject: RE: Ride on Saturday Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 05:37:34 -0800 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain No. From where you are describing ... you get on I-395 south _NOT_ I-495. Louis is talking about the first exit west of the Woodrow Wilson Bridge on the beltway ... i.e the first exit as you cross the bridge from MD into VA. To get there you can go straight south on Rt. 1 from I-395 right by the Pentagon, and go approx. 10 miles or so through Old town and then cross over the beltway, or you could go the longer way and take I-395 to I-495 towards Baltimore and exit at Rt. 1 south. That is longer, but if you feel more comfortable about not getting lost on an interstate ... Let me know if you need further directions, as I live in Alexandria. --Chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ > ---------- > From: Jinn Sinn[SMTP:JinnSinn@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, January 09, 1998 12:57 AM > To: louis@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Ride on Saturday > > From my house in DC I get on the beltway right about at the Pentagon > (going > toward VA and National airport) ... am I going to miss the exit 1??? > > If i can find it....I'll be there..... > > In a message dated 98-01-08 18:21:15 EST, louis@XXXXXX writes: > > << What was the Dixie Pig is now a Rite Aid. It's across the street > from > the Beacon Hill Mall. From the beltway, take exit 1, Rt. 1 SOUTH. > The Rite Aid is on your left at a traffic light (Beacon Hill Rd) > > I'll be in the parking lot about 11:00 am. >> > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 08:42:49 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA05380; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 08:42:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA12352; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 08:42:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA00847; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 08:42:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay2.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id IAA04516; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 08:42:40 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 08:41:20 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D34F439@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Oh Scary Me... Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 08:40:22 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain It's happened to me now...a woman asked me in the elevator (as I was dressed in my nice skirt & heels) if I'd come in to work earlier in leathers & carrying a helmet. I said yes & she laughed & said she thought so and that I'd scared her client half to death. I said that I couldn't believe that & she replied, "Girl, you know, this is D.C." - Jeannette From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 08:44:34 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA05391; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 08:44:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA12408; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 08:44:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA00863; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 08:44:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay2.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id IAA04847; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 08:44:25 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 08:42:55 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D34F43A@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Gil M. Nissley'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Ride Sunday & Other Nonsense Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 08:41:58 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain I always hear "I'd NEVER ride one of those." or "BE CAREFUL!!" (this warning is usually said at least 3 times as I'm walking to my bike." I've also heard MANY times from people who've NEVER ridden: "There's 2 types of bikers, those who've gone down & those who will." AND!!?? SO WHAT!!?? Should that keep me from my passion? - J From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 08:46:10 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA05402; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 08:46:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA12434; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 08:46:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA00915; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 08:46:04 -0500 (EST) Received: by hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD1CDA.A5D240F0@XXXXXX>; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 08:43:24 -0500 Message-ID: From: To: Cc: Subject: RE: Sunday ride, fear not, better direction! Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 08:43:23 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 41 TEXT Clicked on the URL for the web map but got This link is temporarily down while we are upgrading the service. Who would have known..... Tracy Horstman '87 Suzuki Savage 650 "There are 2 types of computer users in the world: Those that have lost data and those that are going to....." ---------- From: Stephen Harris[SMTP:harris@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, January 08, 1998 7:52 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Sunday ride, fear not, better direction! I've gotten a few more questions for directions. If you have web access check out the site below; http://206.129.166.100/MapQ?QO=A&QV=lycos&streetaddress=112+Woodland+Rd&city =Gaithersburg&state=MD&zip=20877-2025&level=8&width=400&height=300&icontitle s=yes&POI1streetaddress=112+Woodland+Rd&POI1city=Gaithersburg&POI1state=MD&P OI1iconid=2 Just copy the above url & past into your brouser. It will show a map of where I'm at. I still intend on leaving at 12:45 sharp. Be fueled & ready to go. I should be home all morning, call if you need further info at 301 990 6408. You can show up at noon or earlier if you want, but I leave for the ride at 12:45. All of the talk about coast "racing" has made me sorry I brought it up. I guarantee that 495 is more dangerous that anything I will be doing on public roads on Sunday. If you can handle 495, you can handle power off riding down Sugarloaf. Really, you will be giggling when you see it, much ado about nothing. S Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 08:52:50 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA05465; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 08:52:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA12598; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 08:52:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from server4.illuminet.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA00970; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 08:52:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from kzav (MO-41-199.ang.af.mil [137.7.41.199]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id IAA09964; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 08:54:10 -0500 Message-ID: <34B61CA2.486FE1F9@illuminet.net> Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 07:48:35 -0500 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: WantA ZX6 , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ride Sunday (?)..coast racing X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <50aadd26.34b558b2@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't understand. I've attended many of the same courses as Horkster, Colin, Sean and Michael. It is my _opinion_ that if we were to conduct such a race, Things that affect speed: Aerodynamics would have more effect as speeds increase. Tire pressure, bearings and chain/driveline friction Tire temperature and whether the engine is running or not is probably not going to make enough difference to measure. Things that make it dangerous. The rider: it was mentioned earlier that bikes with different amounts of power take different lines through corners on races. This is a function that the rider can control. This is no different than a race around any track in the country except that acceleration due to engine power = 0. The above is an opinion. I don't have the facts either. Leon. > In a message dated 98-01-08 05:14:56 EST, you write: > > << I agree with the no engine braking (although there could be if you > were > to put it in gear and release the clutch) But I don't understand how > 1) > Coasting is anymore dangerous on a motorcycle than a bicycle or 2) > How > starting the engine improves traction. > > Does this mean that coasting downhill with the motor running is less > dangerous? >> > > It is my hypothesis but powered wheels are turning against the > pavement (ie. > heat buildup and such). When coasting the wheels are rolling WITH the > > road...understand? I know what I mean but cant really think of how to > say it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 09:11:42 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05652; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:11:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA12795; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:11:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.clark.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA01310; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:11:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from explorer.clark.net (explorer.clark.net [168.143.0.7]) by mail.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA23575; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:11:28 -0500 (EST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Received: (from louis@localhost) by explorer.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA02360; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:11:27 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199801091411.JAA02360@explorer.clark.net> Subject: Re: Ride Sunday & Other Nonsense To: jlobrien@XXXXXX (O'Brien, Jeannette) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:11:27 -0500 (EST) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) In-Reply-To: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D34F43A@badge.tuckerflyer.com> from "O'Brien, Jeannette" at Jan 9, 98 08:41:58 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24alpha3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > > I always hear "I'd NEVER ride one of those." or "BE CAREFUL!!" (this > warning is usually said at least 3 times as I'm walking to my bike." > I've also heard MANY times from people who've NEVER ridden: "There's 2 > types of bikers, those who've gone down & those who will." AND!!?? SO > WHAT!!?? Should that keep me from my passion? Of course not. I tend to ignore those who never ridden (especially if they start telling me about a friend of an uncle of an .....) As for the two types of bikers, it's just a way of saying "Always be ready!" But don't let it stop you. Heck, you can say similar things about car drivers, on the average you will be in one major car accident in your life. So there are those who have been in an accident, and those who will. That sure doesn't stop people from driving. > - J L From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 09:15:35 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05689; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:15:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA12832; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:15:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from server4.illuminet.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA01366; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:15:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from kzav (MO-41-199.ang.af.mil [137.7.41.199]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id JAA10620; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:17:21 -0500 Message-ID: <34B6221D.FECF97DD@illuminet.net> Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 08:11:57 -0500 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Gil M. Nissley" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Synthetic Oil....how???? X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gil's right, the CX/GL had a good motor. The CX650 needs a new rear wheel every 30K miles - Honda designed it wrong. The CX motor needed valve guides and a cam chain before 100K miles with synthetic oil, even with synthetic oil, I think the motor wouldn't last much beyond 200K miles. Gil M. Nissley wrote: > On Tue, 6 Jan 1998, RDWOODJR wrote: > > Lets ask Leon what oils he has used in his CX500 & CX650's. I never > sold him > > any motorcycle-specific oil, so I can only guess that he has good > results with > > something else. > > Doesn't matter what Leon uses,CX's are indestructable. ;-) > > Seriously.There was one that was passed around my dad's club(like > 4 different people owned it) that had 118K on it when the speedo > finally quit.The last owner put another few K on it before selling > it outside the club.The only thing ever done to the motor was > regular maintenance.It had never been torn down for a rebuild. > > The official BuellBoy Genes model. > > gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT > > Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 09:19:20 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05738; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:19:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA12860; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:19:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from server4.illuminet.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA01424; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:19:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from kzav (MO-41-199.ang.af.mil [137.7.41.199]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id JAA10742; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:21:09 -0500 Message-ID: <34B62301.2A417147@illuminet.net> Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 08:15:45 -0500 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Gil M. Nissley" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ride Sunday (?) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Put me on the list with George and Jeannette. I like riding in the rain, I like riding in the snow, I like riding in hail, but I prefer riding when the weather is good. Leon - currently at the St. Louis airport, I rode the bike to work today :-) Gil M. Nissley wrote: > On Thu, 8 Jan 1998, George Howell wrote: > > >P.S. I'm liking this rain riding!! > > Ditto. Just wish I had a spare $150 so I could get the waxed cotton > > pants, mittens, and boot covers to match the jacket. :) > > You and Jeannette are freaks. > > I spent 2 years riding in England.The main reason I live w/in > walking distance of work is because now I don't _have_ to ride > in the rain. > > The official BuellBoy Genes model. > > gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT > > Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 09:39:06 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA06038; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:39:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA12992; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:38:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from portal.visa.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA01924; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:38:51 -0500 (EST) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA07034 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Fri, 9 Jan 1998 06:38:49 -0800 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Fri, 9 Jan 1998 06:38:49 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Oh Scary Me... Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 06:39:57 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 9 TEXT >(as I was dressed in my nice skirt & heels) Oooohh --- in drag, yet! > I'd scared her client half to death You do have that effect on us... Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 09:39:56 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA06055; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:39:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA13006; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:39:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from dadc012.army.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA01951; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:39:49 -0500 (EST) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:41:32 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" , "'Gil M. Nissley'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Ride Sunday & Other Nonsense Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:17:54 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) My response to those people is "There are to kind of drivers..." and that usually shuts them up. Glenn Dysart DysarGB@XXXXXX dysart@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna > -----Original Message----- > From: O'Brien, Jeannette [SMTP:jlobrien@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, January 09, 1998 8:42 AM > To: 'Gil M. Nissley'; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Ride Sunday & Other Nonsense > > I always hear "I'd NEVER ride one of those." or "BE CAREFUL!!" (this > warning is usually said at least 3 times as I'm walking to my bike." > I've also heard MANY times from people who've NEVER ridden: "There's > 2 > types of bikers, those who've gone down & those who will." AND!!?? > SO > WHAT!!?? Should that keep me from my passion? > > - J > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 09:51:29 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA06183; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:51:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA13178; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:51:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA02129; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:51:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay2.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id JAA24573; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:51:12 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:49:49 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D34F444@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Jordan, Michael'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Oh Scary Me... Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:48:50 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Hey, now, SCARY is not the effect I was hoping for!! ; ) - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Jordan, Michael [SMTP:mike@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, January 09, 1998 9:40 AM > To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > Subject: RE: Oh Scary Me... > > >(as I was dressed in my nice skirt & heels) > > Oooohh --- in drag, yet! > > > I'd scared her client half to death > > You do have that effect on us... > > Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 10:10:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06459; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:10:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA13466; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:10:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from xcgca011.northgrum.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA02587; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:10:03 -0500 (EST) Received: by XCGCA011 with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 07:10:46 -0800 Message-ID: <11D743514607D011A15500805FEA3464A45DB9@xcgva001.grumman.com> From: "Meier, Christopher" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, "'Collin T. Fagan'" Subject: RE: Fluid Mechanics 101 (was Sunday Ride) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 07:07:54 -0800 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Good Lord, Man! Next time you post something like that, how about a warning not to read it until after 8am or something. I'm dizzy now. 8-) Chris (the Liberal arts grad ...going for another cup of coffee) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ > ---------- > From: Collin T. Fagan[SMTP:gixer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, January 08, 1998 5:48 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Fluid Mechanics 101 (was Sunday Ride) > > I couldn't resist on this one....We're talking my background now... > (Collin digging through a trunk...ahhh found it...Fundamentals of > Fluid > Mechanics) > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 10:16:00 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06559; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:15:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA13551; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:15:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from kilcody.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA02771; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:15:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.kilcody.com ([10.128.0.110]) by GKCATL01.kilcody.com with ESMTP id <19594>; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:14:01 -0500 Received: by mail.kilstock.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:17:05 -0500 From: "Slawson, Kurt" To: dc-cycles Subject: Riding with a Passenger Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:16:00 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <98Jan9.101401est.19594@GKCATL01.kilcody.com> Anyone out there have any advice on learning how to ride with a passenger? I've been riding a very short time (i.e., less than a month; I took the MSF course in late Nov.), and while my confidence has increased with every ride, I'm far from being ready to take a passenger. I'm just wondering about the experiences of other people in learning how to ride with a passenger. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 10:18:29 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06584; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:18:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA13571; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:18:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from sgi.sgi.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA02852; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:18:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailserv ([169.238.1.2]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id HAA05960 for <@external-mail-relay.sgi.com:dc-cycles@XXXXXX>; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 07:18:11 -0800 env-from (skip@XXXXXX) Received: from shadow.clubfed.sgi.com by mailserv via ESMTP (951211.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH1042/911001.SGI) for <@beyond.clubfed.sgi.com:dc-cycles@XXXXXX> id KAA02131; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:18:09 -0500 Received: (from skip@localhost) by shadow.clubfed.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) id KAA24255 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:18:09 -0500 Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:18:09 -0500 From: skip@XXXXXX (Skip Farmer) Message-Id: <9801091018.ZM24253@shadow.clubfed.sgi.com> X-Mailer: Z-Mail-SGI (3.2S.3 08feb96 MediaMail) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Ride Last night? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Anyone ride last night? It was such a great night! Didn't ride anywhere in particular but it was awesome January weather! Skip '87 Suzuki GS450 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 10:22:22 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06651; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:22:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA13735; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:22:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp3.ny.us.ibm.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA02932; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:22:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay1.server.ibm.com (relay1.server.ibm.com [9.14.2.98]) by smtp3.ny.us.ibm.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA12556; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:18:25 -0500 Received: from US.IBM.COM (d04lms01.raleigh.ibm.com [9.37.164.193]) by relay1.server.ibm.com (8.8.7/8.7) with SMTP id KAA38644; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:20:15 -0500 Received: by US.IBM.COM (Soft-Switch LMS 2.0) with snapi via D04AU003 id 5040100013283909; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:23:26 -0500 From: Tom Knapik To: Cc: Subject: Re: Synthetic Oil....how???? Message-ID: <5040100013283909000002L092*@MHS> Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:23:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain You're pulling my chain right? 30K miles? So I can expect my rear wheel to fall off any second now? What was the problem with the rear wheel? I assume it is something that can't be repaired and has to be replaced and there is no supply anywhere in the free world? Regards, Tom Knapik E-mail: knapik@XXXXXX Phone: (301) 803-2417, tie-262-2417 ---------------------- Forwarded by Tom Knapik/Bethesda/IBM on 01-09-98 10:09 AM --------------------------- mrider@XXXXXX on 01-09-98 09:26:31 AM Please respond to mrider@XXXXXX @ internet To: gnissley@XXXXXX @ internet cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX @ internet Subject: Re: Synthetic Oil....how???? Gil's right, the CX/GL had a good motor. The CX650 needs a new rear wheel every 30K miles - Honda designed it wrong. The CX motor needed valve guides and a cam chain before 100K miles with synthetic oil, even with synthetic oil, I think the motor wouldn't last much beyond 200K miles. Gil M. Nissley wrote: > On Tue, 6 Jan 1998, RDWOODJR wrote: > > Lets ask Leon what oils he has used in his CX500 & CX650's. I never > sold him > > any motorcycle-specific oil, so I can only guess that he has good > results with > > something else. > > Doesn't matter what Leon uses,CX's are indestructable. ;-) > > Seriously.There was one that was passed around my dad's club(like > 4 different people owned it) that had 118K on it when the speedo > finally quit.The last owner put another few K on it before selling > it outside the club.The only thing ever done to the motor was > regular maintenance.It had never been torn down for a rebuild. > > The official BuellBoy Genes model. > > gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT > > Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 10:26:26 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06709; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:26:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA14137; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:26:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA03062; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:26:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay2.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id KAA06860; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:26:10 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:24:48 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D34F44B@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'skip@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Ride Last night? Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:23:50 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain It WAS great, wasn't it!!? I went running, then to a volleyball game, so I only did a little riding but when I came home from riding I was on an all-time adrenaline high. If all night could be like last night!! - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: skip@XXXXXX [SMTP:skip@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, January 09, 1998 10:18 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Ride Last night? > > Anyone ride last night? It was such a great night! Didn't ride > anywhere in > particular but it was awesome January weather! > > Skip > > '87 Suzuki GS450 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 10:29:41 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06744; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:29:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA14294; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:29:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA03129; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:29:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com by mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (8.8.8/McCaw V8 version 1) id HAA18341; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 07:28:58 -0800 (PST) Received: by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id HAA05510; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 07:28:57 -0800 Received: from hq_msg01.nwest.mccaw.com by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id HAA05505; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 07:28:55 -0800 Received: by hq_msg01.nwest.mccaw.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD1CD0.3CC15380@XXXXXX>; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 07:28:53 -0800 Message-ID: From: "Viteri, Ursulina" To: "'skip@XXXXXX'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Ride Last night? Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 07:25:47 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 21 TEXT I went for a little spin from Alex to Oakton around 8:30 pm. Then I thought I'd return home via a more scenic route, 7 East, but whoa, what a boner! I hit red stop lights every few feet it seemed. I'm not going that way again. Ursulina Viteri 202-416-6534 * Fax 202-223-9095 AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. - Washington, DC >-----Original Message----- >From: skip@XXXXXX [SMTP:skip@XXXXXX] >Sent: Friday, January 09, 1998 7:18 AM >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Ride Last night? > >Anyone ride last night? It was such a great night! Didn't ride anywhere in >particular but it was awesome January weather! > >Skip > >'87 Suzuki GS450 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 10:34:32 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06813; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:34:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA14694; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:34:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA03243; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:34:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay2.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id KAA09626; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:34:20 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:32:59 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D34F451@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: dc-cycles Subject: Fun Fun! Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:32:00 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Each night this week when I've stopped at the light near my house on Columbia Pike some guy has pulled up next to me, stared at the bike for a while & said, "Nice bike." Last night the guy asked if I could do a wheelie for him. What is it with you men and wheelies!!?? - Jeannette Not Enough Testosterone to Desire Wheelies From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 10:38:26 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06927; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:38:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA14859; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:38:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA03358; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:38:19 -0500 (EST) Received: by hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD1CEA.56EEAF90@XXXXXX>; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:35:44 -0500 Message-ID: From: To: Cc: Subject: RE: Riding with a Passenger Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:35:42 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 43 TEXT Well, my husband, Horkster, and I took turns riding with each other. Dale's larger than I am and since he rode too, he would keep putting his feet down when we stopped because he didn't think I could balance the bike and him. I ride behind him (rarely) but he doesn't ride behind me anymore - he's a bad passenger. I suggest starting with someone little (we used our 6 year old who is now 7) and rode up and down the neighborhood since slow speeds and stopping are the hardest. We found that our girl is a great passenger. Best thing to do is practice riding with a passenger so that you can get used to the wiggle of that person. Look in your MSF lit. on what to tell you passenger on how to ride with you. Whatever you do, don't let the rider know how scared you are about having them on the bike. I kept thinking my daughter was going to fall off each time we took off. I normally don't wear a belt, but I used to ride with my dad and he did. We used his belt to hold onto. We put our hand up through the belt on his sides. Great hand holds plus it keeps the passenger close to you so that you essentially become one. So I wear a belt when she rides with me. Just keep the rides short at first and you should do fine. Tracy Horstman '87 Suzuki Savage 650 "There are 2 types of computer users in the world: Those that have lost data and those that are going to....." ---------- From: Slawson, Kurt[SMTP:kslawson@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, January 09, 1998 10:16 AM To: dc-cycles Subject: Riding with a Passenger Anyone out there have any advice on learning how to ride with a passenger? I've been riding a very short time (i.e., less than a month; I took the MSF course in late Nov.), and while my confidence has increased with every ride, I'm far from being ready to take a passenger. I'm just wondering about the experiences of other people in learning how to ride with a passenger. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 10:50:10 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07093; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:50:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA15161; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:49:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA03726; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:49:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id JAA04372; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:49:04 -0600 (CST) Received: from imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid01.mcit.com [166.37.221.13]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id KAA09709; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:49:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from mci.com ([166.32.114.127]) by imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with ESMTP id <19980109154903.UIRW215@XXXXXX>; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:49:03 -0600 Message-ID: <34B646EF.6B5B8F89@mci.com> Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 10:49:03 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Reply-To: Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" , DC Cycles List Subject: Re: Fun Fun! References: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D34F451@badge.tuckerflyer.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You just *think* he was checking out the bike. You were wearing your leather pants, right? 'Nice Bike' is a secret code phrase. Of couse, I've sworn upon the Sacred He Man Biker Code to never reveal what the secret codes are to one of you females. And don't any of you other guys spill the secret either! :-) Dale (the Horkster) PS: You should have smacked that guy for asking you to do a "wheelie" for him. Another code phrase. The nerve of that guy! O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: > Each night this week when I've stopped at the light near my house on > Columbia Pike some guy has pulled up next to me, stared at the bike for > a while & said, "Nice bike." Last night the guy asked if I could do a > wheelie for him. What is it with you men and wheelies!!?? > > - Jeannette > Not Enough Testosterone to Desire Wheelies From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 10:51:06 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07117; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:51:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA15207; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:51:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from server4.illuminet.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA03778; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:50:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from kzav (MO-41-199.ang.af.mil [137.7.41.199]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA13091; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:52:53 -0500 Message-ID: <34B64688.559255F4@illuminet.net> Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 09:47:20 -0600 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tom Knapik CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: CX650C was:Synthetic Oil....how???? X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <5040100013283909000002L092*@MHS> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tom Knapik wrote: > You're pulling my chain right? 30K miles? No, I rode that bike 127K, replaced the rear wheel twice, had it repaired once and gave it away with a 1/2 inch wobble (grab the tire check for loose wheel bearings) at the tire. I think it's only a problem with the CX650C not with any of the GLs and I don't know much about the CX500s. > So I can expect my rear wheel to fall off any second now? It won't fall off. But it sure handles funny. > What was the problem with the rear wheel? I assume > it is something that can't be repaired and has to be replaced and > there is no > supply anywhere in the free world? The right wheel bearing is mounted such that it takes all the stress. The bearing is strong enought to handle it, but the wheel itself isn't. At about 10K miles the bearing is no longer a press fit to install and remove. At 30K it wasn't fun to ride anymore. I fixed it once by having a machine shop enlarge the hole and use a sleeve between the wheel and bearing. It lasted about as long as anything else, then the sleeve got loose in the wheel. I never bought new wheels, Richard's price book suggested >$300, that was more than I wanted to spend. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 11:03:17 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07267; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:03:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA15632; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:03:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from xcgca011.northgrum.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA04180; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:03:02 -0500 (EST) Received: by XCGCA011 with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 08:03:48 -0800 Message-ID: <11D743514607D011A15500805FEA3464A45DBC@xcgva001.grumman.com> From: "Meier, Christopher" To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" , DC Cycles List , "'Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Fun Fun! Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 08:03:44 -0800 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Uh Dale ... be careful here! Another comment about our secret code, am I'm gonna have to bring it up at the next club meeting! :-) Later, chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ > ---------- > From: Dale Horstman[SMTP:Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, January 09, 1998 10:49 AM > To: O'Brien, Jeannette; DC Cycles List > Subject: Re: Fun Fun! > > You just *think* he was checking out the bike. You were wearing > your leather pants, right? 'Nice Bike' is a secret code phrase. Of > couse, I've sworn upon the Sacred He Man Biker Code to never > reveal what the secret codes are to one of you females. > > And don't any of you other guys spill the secret either! :-) > > Dale (the Horkster) > > PS: You should have smacked that guy for asking you to do > a "wheelie" for him. Another code phrase. The nerve of that guy! > > O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: > > > Each night this week when I've stopped at the light near my house on > > Columbia Pike some guy has pulled up next to me, stared at the bike > for > > a while & said, "Nice bike." Last night the guy asked if I could do > a > > wheelie for him. What is it with you men and wheelies!!?? > > > > - Jeannette > > Not Enough Testosterone to Desire Wheelies > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 11:04:14 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07287; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:04:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA15641; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:04:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from draco.eisi.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA04194; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:04:08 -0500 (EST) Received: by draco.eisi.com; id LAA08448; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:21:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from unknown(10.3.1.4) by draco.eisi.com via smap (3.2) id xma008444; Fri, 9 Jan 98 11:21:30 -0500 Received: by hrnexch1.eisi.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:04:15 -0500 Message-ID: <7F151D3C3920D111859A080009D806396E6C2D@hrnexch1.eisi.com> From: "Whiteside, John" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Synthetic Oil....how???? Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:04:13 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain What's the rear wheel problem? Is it just the 650s or the 500s too? --John Whiteside, CX500 at 33K and rear wheel still working.... > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Knapik [SMTP:knapik@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, January 09, 1998 10:23 AM > To: mrider@XXXXXX > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Synthetic Oil....how???? > > You're pulling my chain right? 30K miles? So I can expect my rear > wheel to > fall off any second now? What was the problem with the rear wheel? > I assume > it is something that can't be repaired and has to be replaced and > there is no > supply anywhere in the free world? > > Regards, > Tom Knapik > E-mail: knapik@XXXXXX > Phone: (301) 803-2417, tie-262-2417 > > > ---------------------- Forwarded by Tom Knapik/Bethesda/IBM on > 01-09-98 10:09 AM > --------------------------- > > > mrider@XXXXXX on 01-09-98 09:26:31 AM > Please respond to mrider@XXXXXX @ internet > To: gnissley@XXXXXX @ internet > cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX @ internet > Subject: Re: Synthetic Oil....how???? > > > Gil's right, the CX/GL had a good motor. > > The CX650 needs a new rear wheel every 30K miles - Honda designed it > wrong. > The CX motor needed valve guides and a cam chain before 100K miles > with > synthetic oil, even with synthetic oil, I think the motor wouldn't > last > much beyond 200K miles. > > Gil M. Nissley wrote: > > > On Tue, 6 Jan 1998, RDWOODJR wrote: > > > Lets ask Leon what oils he has used in his CX500 & CX650's. I > never > > sold him > > > any motorcycle-specific oil, so I can only guess that he has good > > results with > > > something else. > > > > Doesn't matter what Leon uses,CX's are indestructable. ;-) > > > > Seriously.There was one that was passed around my dad's club(like > > 4 different people owned it) that had 118K on it when the speedo > > finally quit.The last owner put another few K on it before selling > > it outside the club.The only thing ever done to the motor was > > regular maintenance.It had never been torn down for a rebuild. > > > > The official BuellBoy Genes model. > > > > gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT > > > > Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 11:13:49 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07446; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:13:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA15783; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:13:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA04378; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:13:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.02c) id ACB0260418; Fri, 09 Jan 1998 11:13:36 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980109111348.00a1e310@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 11:13:48 -0500 To: dc-cycles From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Riding with a Passenger In-Reply-To: <98Jan9.101401est.19594@GKCATL01.kilcody.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:16 AM 1/9/98 -0500, Slawson, Kurt wrote: > Anyone out there have any advice on learning how to ride with a >passenger? I've been riding a very short time (i.e., less than a month; >I took the MSF course in late Nov.), and while my confidence has >increased with every ride, I'm far from being ready to take a passenger. >I'm just wondering about the experiences of other people in learning how >to ride with a passenger. Give yourself at least 6 months of riding before you offer to take a passenger -- maybe more. Much more so than in a car, you are responsible for that passenger. And that passenger can cause you to lose control. Brief the passenger on where to sit, where to put his/her feet, what not to touch (the exhaust pipes, the engine), and what to hold on to (grab rail, seat strap, your waist). Tell them always wait for your signal before mounting, then have both hands on the handlebars, front brake on, both feet on the ground when you tell them to get on the bike. If you have a trunk, your leaning forward will likely make it easier for them to get on the bike. Tell them to sit still. Don't lean with the bike, don't lean with you -- just sit still (they will naturally lean with the bike if they sit still. If you tell them to lean with the bike they'll lean too far). Tell them that if they want to look ahead, to look over your inside shoulder (look over your right shoulder in a right turn). Tell them not to make any sudden moves. Tell them to never put their feet down, you'll take care of that. If you're approaching a loose surface, such as gravel, warn the passenger to "sit still". Tell them that If their butt gets sore, take their weight on their feet for a little while. Also, tell them to take their weight on their feet for rough areas in the road, or any time they feel you take your weight on your feet. Ride around a big parking lot for a little while to see how comfortable the passenger is, and how well they sit still. A good passenger makes controlling the bike very easy. A fidgeting passenger can make you change lanes in a heartbeat (been there, done that). Make the first trip one that can be very short (around the neighborhood). Pay attention to how your passenger feels, specifically how safe or nervous they feel. I prefer passengers to hold onto my waist, though as my waist has increased in size this has gotten harder. However, when they hold onto my waist, I always know if they feel confident or nervous. What you want to do is to take it real slow and easy if the passenger is nervous. Especially a male passenger, who is less likely to admit being nervous. If the passenger is cold, hot, or uncomfortable in some other way, stop and deal with it. You can turn a person off motorcycles for life by making them miserable. I know that sounds like a lot, but it all that really helps make the experience enjoyable for both the "driver" and the passenger. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 11:14:35 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07456; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:14:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA15854; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:14:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA04403; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:14:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com by mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (8.8.8/McCaw V8 version 1) id IAA26014; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 08:13:54 -0800 (PST) Received: by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id IAA14853; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 08:13:53 -0800 Received: from hq-msg01.nwest.mccaw.com by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id IAA14815; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 08:13:47 -0800 Received: by hq-msg01.nwest.mccaw.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD1CD6.75F8CA60@XXXXXX>; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 08:13:26 -0800 Message-ID: From: "Viteri, Ursulina" To: "'O'Brien, Jeannette'" , "'dc-cycles'" Subject: RE: Fun Fun! Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 08:10:24 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 23 TEXT I'm a girl and I think wheelies are cool, but you'd never catch me doing one. Maybe a tiny one cause I accidentally let the clutch slip too soon but nothing on purpose. Ursulina Viteri 202-416-6534 * Fax 202-223-9095 AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. - Washington, DC >-----Original Message----- >From: O'Brien, Jeannette [SMTP:jlobrien@XXXXXX] >Sent: Friday, January 09, 1998 7:32 AM >To: dc-cycles >Subject: Fun Fun! > >Each night this week when I've stopped at the light near my house on >Columbia Pike some guy has pulled up next to me, stared at the bike for >a while & said, "Nice bike." Last night the guy asked if I could do a >wheelie for him. What is it with you men and wheelies!!?? > >- Jeannette > Not Enough Testosterone to Desire Wheelies > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 11:25:10 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07591; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:25:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA16623; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:24:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA04623; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:24:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id LAA25587; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:24:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid02.mcit.com [166.37.221.14]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id KAA25317; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:24:18 -0600 (CST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19980109162417.TJXL28757@[166.41.242.141]>; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:24:17 -0600 Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 11:14 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: Jinn Sinn CC: louis@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ride on Saturday X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980109162417.TJXL28757@[166.41.242.141]> Well, first off you can't get on the beltway near the Pentagon. Your best bet, and better ride, is to get on the George Washington Parkway heading south to Mount Vernon. Once you cross I95 (just outside of Alexandria) look for a right turn onto BelleView drive (about 2 miles). My map shows this turns into Beacon Hill, but the Rite Aid guy said it is still BelleView. Either way it ends on route 1, and the Rite Aid should be right there across from the mall. Todd From: Jinn Sinn Message-ID: Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 00:57:58 EST To: louis@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ride on Saturday Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) >From my house in DC I get on the beltway right about at the Pentagon (going toward VA and National airport) ... am I going to miss the exit 1??? If i can find it....I'll be there..... In a message dated 98-01-08 18:21:15 EST, louis@XXXXXX writes: << What was the Dixie Pig is now a Rite Aid. It's across the street from the Beacon Hill Mall. From the beltway, take exit 1, Rt. 1 SOUTH. The Rite Aid is on your left at a traffic light (Beacon Hill Rd) I'll be in the parking lot about 11:00 am. >> From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 11:36:11 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07720; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:36:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA17014; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:35:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA04919; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:35:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id KAA24396; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:35:22 -0600 (CST) Received: from imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid01.mcit.com [166.37.221.13]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id KAA12779; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:35:21 -0600 (CST) Received: from mci.com ([166.32.114.127]) by imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with ESMTP id <19980109163521.UOBX215@XXXXXX>; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:35:21 -0600 Message-ID: <34B651C8.AEB8FA5F@mci.com> Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 11:35:20 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Reply-To: Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Norloff , dc-cycles Subject: Re: Riding with a Passenger References: <3.0.1.32.19980109111348.00a1e310@mail.toward.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just wanted to solicit opinions on this device for a younger passenger. What do you folks think? Usual disclaimers apply: I don't work for them, etc. etc. http://www.hpmkt.com/ PS: I was intrigued enough to order one. I'll subject my 7 year old daughter to it and let you all know how it turns out. Horkster Chris Norloff wrote: (No, I'm not gonna snip a word of this good advice - hork) > At 10:16 AM 1/9/98 -0500, Slawson, Kurt wrote: > > Anyone out there have any advice on learning how to ride with a > >passenger? I've been riding a very short time (i.e., less than a month; > >I took the MSF course in late Nov.), and while my confidence has > >increased with every ride, I'm far from being ready to take a passenger. > >I'm just wondering about the experiences of other people in learning how > >to ride with a passenger. > > Give yourself at least 6 months of riding before you offer to take a > passenger -- maybe more. Much more so than in a car, you are responsible > for that passenger. And that passenger can cause you to lose control. > > Brief the passenger on where to sit, where to put his/her feet, what not to > touch (the exhaust pipes, the engine), and what to hold on to (grab rail, > seat strap, your waist). > > Tell them always wait for your signal before mounting, then have both hands > on the handlebars, front brake on, both feet on the ground when you tell > them to get on the bike. If you have a trunk, your leaning forward will > likely make it easier for them to get on the bike. > > Tell them to sit still. Don't lean with the bike, don't lean with you -- > just sit still (they will naturally lean with the bike if they sit still. > If you tell them to lean with the bike they'll lean too far). Tell them > that if they want to look ahead, to look over your inside shoulder (look > over your right shoulder in a right turn). Tell them not to make any > sudden moves. Tell them to never put their feet down, you'll take care of > that. If you're approaching a loose surface, such as gravel, warn the > passenger to "sit still". > > Tell them that If their butt gets sore, take their weight on their feet for > a little while. Also, tell them to take their weight on their feet for > rough areas in the road, or any time they feel you take your weight on your > feet. > > Ride around a big parking lot for a little while to see how comfortable the > passenger is, and how well they sit still. A good passenger makes > controlling the bike very easy. A fidgeting passenger can make you change > lanes in a heartbeat (been there, done that). Make the first trip one that > can be very short (around the neighborhood). > > Pay attention to how your passenger feels, specifically how safe or nervous > they feel. I prefer passengers to hold onto my waist, though as my waist > has increased in size this has gotten harder. However, when they hold onto > my waist, I always know if they feel confident or nervous. What you want > to do is to take it real slow and easy if the passenger is nervous. > Especially a male passenger, who is less likely to admit being nervous. If > the passenger is cold, hot, or uncomfortable in some other way, stop and > deal with it. You can turn a person off motorcycles for life by making > them miserable. > > I know that sounds like a lot, but it all that really helps make the > experience enjoyable for both the "driver" and the passenger. > > Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 11:44:38 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07880; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:44:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA17346; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:44:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from xgate.usia.gov by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA05108; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:44:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from Connect2 Message Router by xgate.usia.gov via Connect2-SMTP 4.31.02; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:40:41 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <2D43B63401BD1160@xgate.usia.gov> Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:43:46 -0500 From: "Adams, Bill" Sender: "Adams, Bill" X-Confirm-Reading-To: Disposition-Notification-To: Organization: USIA To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (dc-cycles) Subject: Chrome, wonderful chrome... Importance: High X-SMF-Hop-Count: 2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Connect2-SMTP 4.31.02 MHS/SMF to SMTP Gateway I thought I'd plumb the collective wisdom regarding motorcycle chrome restoration and refinishing in the area. Anybody who might recommend a reputable vendor please e-mail me off-list. I want to restore some of the (poorly finished) parts (headlight bucket & brackets specifically) whilst de-gutting the Old-wing. Thanks a ton. Bill Adams 3D Artist/Animator '66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon, '81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard: "Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 11:48:06 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07919; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:48:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA17395; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:47:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from welchlink.welch.jhu.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA05163; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:47:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from HGREENS.adventisthealthcare.com (Pool-207-205-223-90.pitb.grid.net [207.205.223.90]) by welchlink.welch.jhu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA00534; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:45:23 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980109114846.0069f814@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: hggmd@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 11:48:46 -0500 To: "Slawson, Kurt" From: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." Subject: Re: Riding with a Passenger Cc: dc-cycles In-Reply-To: <98Jan9.101401est.19594@GKCATL01.kilcody.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:16 AM 1/9/98 -0500, Slawson, Kurt wrote: > Anyone out there have any advice on learning how to ride with a >passenger? Kurt, Riding two-up has less to do with you than with them. Although you need to do a few things (slow down, smooth transitions, etc.), the most important thing you can do is educate them on being a good passenger. This includes: - Showing them where to put their feet, what's hot and what's not. - Telling them to hold on to you and to lean with you. This avoids you struggling while they try to remain perpendicular to the ground through a turn. - Having them lean forward while accelerating, and lean back while braking. this avoids them alternately slamming their helmet into the back of yours, or falling off the back of the bike. - Keep their foot on the pegs, even when stopped. Also, have them indicate to you when they are going to get on or off, avoiding catching you by surprise and tipping over the bike. - Put more weight on the pegs when they see a bump coming up. (Don't forget to adjust the preload on your rear shock as well) One thing I cannot get over, though, is seeing guys in boots, leathers, etc., riding with a passenger wearing shorts and a t-shirt (unless it's a bikini top...). When I ride with passengers, I have them wear long pants, gloves, boots, my old Vanson jacket, ear plugs, and a full face helmet. I also have a second electric vest for when it's cold. Harry Bethesda, MD '97 BMW R1100RT http://www.greenspun.com/harry/bikes.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 11:49:08 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07937; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:49:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA17424; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:49:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA05213; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:48:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id LAA06232; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:48:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid01.mcit.com [166.37.221.13]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id KAA05979; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:48:27 -0600 (CST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19980109164827.UPOT215@[166.41.242.141]>; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:48:27 -0600 Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 11:31 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" CC: "'Jordan, Michael'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Oh Scary Me... X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980109164827.UPOT215@[166.41.242.141]> >Hey, now, SCARY is not the effect I was hoping for!! ; ) > >- Jeannette > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jordan, Michael [SMTP:mike@XXXXXX] >> Sent: Friday, January 09, 1998 9:40 AM >> To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' >> Subject: RE: Oh Scary Me... >> >> >(as I was dressed in my nice skirt & heels) >> >> Oooohh --- in drag, yet! >> >> > I'd scared her client half to death >> >> You do have that effect on us... >> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >> Michael J. Yeah Mike, speak for yourself. I personally am more scared of the power-suit (read power-tripping) types than the leather types. Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 11:49:11 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07942; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:49:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA17429; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:49:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA05215; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:49:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id LAA06257; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:48:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid01.mcit.com [166.37.221.13]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id KAA08351; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:48:29 -0600 (CST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19980109164828.UPOV215@[166.41.242.141]>; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:48:28 -0600 Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 11:35 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: "Viteri, Ursulina" CC: "'skip@XXXXXX'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Ride Last night? X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980109164828.UPOV215@[166.41.242.141]> It was warm, so I worked on my VT500c in my otherwise cold garage. I think warm air increases the effect of Carb-Cleaner...whooa.. %-0 Todd I went for a little spin from Alex to Oakton around 8:30 pm. Then I thought I'd return home via a more scenic route, 7 East, but whoa, what a boner! I hit red stop lights every few feet it seemed. I'm not going that way again. Ursulina Viteri 202-416-6534 * Fax 202-223-9095 AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. - Washington, DC >-----Original Message----- >From: skip@XXXXXX [SMTP:skip@XXXXXX] >Sent: Friday, January 09, 1998 7:18 AM >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Ride Last night? > >Anyone ride last night? It was such a great night! Didn't ride anywhere in >particular but it was awesome January weather! > >Skip > >'87 Suzuki GS450 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 11:49:13 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07947; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:49:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA17434; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:49:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA05219; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:49:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id LAA06281; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:48:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid01.mcit.com [166.37.221.13]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id LAA01934; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:48:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19980109164830.UPOY215@[166.41.242.141]>; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:48:30 -0600 Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 11:40 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: Jinn Sinn , louis@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ride on Saturday X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980109164830.UPOY215@[166.41.242.141]> Duh,..to get ON the parkway, come across the 14th st bridge. It should be the second exit on your right. Well, first off you can't get on the beltway near the Pentagon. Your best bet, and better ride, is to get on the George Washington Parkway heading south to Mount Vernon. Once you cross I95 (just outside of Alexandria) look for a right turn onto BelleView drive (about 2 miles). My map shows this turns into Beacon Hill, but the Rite Aid guy said it is still BelleView. Either way it ends on route 1, and the Rite Aid should be right there across from the mall. Todd From: Jinn Sinn Message-ID: Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 00:57:58 EST To: louis@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ride on Saturday Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) >From my house in DC I get on the beltway right about at the Pentagon (going toward VA and National airport) ... am I going to miss the exit 1??? If i can find it....I'll be there..... In a message dated 98-01-08 18:21:15 EST, louis@XXXXXX writes: << What was the Dixie Pig is now a Rite Aid. It's across the street from the Beacon Hill Mall. From the beltway, take exit 1, Rt. 1 SOUTH. The Rite Aid is on your left at a traffic light (Beacon Hill Rd) I'll be in the parking lot about 11:00 am. >> From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 11:49:14 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07949; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:49:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA17435; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:49:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA05218; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:49:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id LAA06267; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:48:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid01.mcit.com [166.37.221.13]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id KAA06349; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:48:30 -0600 (CST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19980109164829.UPOX215@[166.41.242.141]>; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:48:29 -0600 Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 11:38 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: "Viteri, Ursulina" CC: "'O'Brien, Jeannette'" , "'dc-cycles'" Subject: RE: Fun Fun! X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980109164829.UPOX215@[166.41.242.141]> Hear that guys? She thinks "Wheelies" (wink, wink) are cool! Whoohoo! Todd _______________________ I'm a girl and I think wheelies are cool, but you'd never catch me doing one. Maybe a tiny one cause I accidentally let the clutch slip too soon but nothing on purpose. Ursulina Viteri 202-416-6534 * Fax 202-223-9095 AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. - Washington, DC >-----Original Message----- >From: O'Brien, Jeannette [SMTP:jlobrien@XXXXXX] >Sent: Friday, January 09, 1998 7:32 AM >To: dc-cycles >Subject: Fun Fun! > >Each night this week when I've stopped at the light near my house on >Columbia Pike some guy has pulled up next to me, stared at the bike for >a while & said, "Nice bike." Last night the guy asked if I could do a >wheelie for him. What is it with you men and wheelies!!?? > >- Jeannette > Not Enough Testosterone to Desire Wheelies > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 11:54:54 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA08022; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:54:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA17625; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:54:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from welchlink.welch.jhu.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA05347; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:54:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from HGREENS.adventisthealthcare.com (Pool-207-205-223-90.pitb.grid.net [207.205.223.90]) by welchlink.welch.jhu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA03317; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:52:09 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980109115531.0069e840@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: hggmd@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 11:55:31 -0500 To: Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX From: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." Subject: Re: Riding with a Passenger Cc: Chris Norloff , dc-cycles In-Reply-To: <34B651C8.AEB8FA5F@mci.com> References: <3.0.1.32.19980109111348.00a1e310@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:35 AM 1/9/98 -0500, Dale Horstman wrote: >I just wanted to solicit opinions on this device for a younger >passenger. What do you folks think? > >http://www.hpmkt.com/ > Battley's (aka Rockville HD) is a local distributor of these belts. They seem like a good idea. When my son (http://www.greenspun.com/benjamin) gets a bit older, I'll be considering one myself. Harry Bethesda, MD '97 BMW R1100RT http://www.greenspun.com/harry/bikes.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 12:03:11 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA08120; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:03:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA17920; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:03:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA05619; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:02:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id MAA12228; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:02:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid01.mcit.com [166.37.221.13]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id MAA05417; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:02:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19980109170226.URDL215@[166.41.242.141]>; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:02:26 -0600 Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 11:54 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: Chris Norloff CC: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Riding with a Passenger X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980109170226.URDL215@[166.41.242.141]> I have nothing to add to this list other than thanks Chris. Very well said! Todd Give yourself at least 6 months of riding before you offer to take a passenger -- maybe more. Much more so than in a car, you are responsible for that passenger. And that passenger can cause you to lose control. Brief the passenger on where to sit, where to put his/her feet, what not to touch (the exhaust pipes, the engine), and what to hold on to (grab rail, seat strap, your waist). Tell them always wait for your signal before mounting, then have both hands on the handlebars, front brake on, both feet on the ground when you tell them to get on the bike. If you have a trunk, your leaning forward will likely make it easier for them to get on the bike. Tell them to sit still. Don't lean with the bike, don't lean with you -- just sit still (they will naturally lean with the bike if they sit still. If you tell them to lean with the bike they'll lean too far). Tell them that if they want to look ahead, to look over your inside shoulder (look over your right shoulder in a right turn). Tell them not to make any sudden moves. Tell them to never put their feet down, you'll take care of that. If you're approaching a loose surface, such as gravel, warn the passenger to "sit still". Tell them that If their butt gets sore, take their weight on their feet for a little while. Also, tell them to take their weight on their feet for rough areas in the road, or any time they feel you take your weight on your feet. Ride around a big parking lot for a little while to see how comfortable the passenger is, and how well they sit still. A good passenger makes controlling the bike very easy. A fidgeting passenger can make you change lanes in a heartbeat (been there, done that). Make the first trip one that can be very short (around the neighborhood). Pay attention to how your passenger feels, specifically how safe or nervous they feel. I prefer passengers to hold onto my waist, though as my waist has increased in size this has gotten harder. However, when they hold onto my waist, I always know if they feel confident or nervous. What you want to do is to take it real slow and easy if the passenger is nervous. Especially a male passenger, who is less likely to admit being nervous. If the passenger is cold, hot, or uncomfortable in some other way, stop and deal with it. You can turn a person off motorcycles for life by making them miserable. I know that sounds like a lot, but it all that really helps make the experience enjoyable for both the "driver" and the passenger. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 12:06:40 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA08216; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:06:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA18231; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:06:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from gwsmtp.nlm.nih.gov by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA05763; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:06:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from NLM-Message_Server by gwsmtp.nlm.nih.gov with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 09 Jan 1998 12:06:15 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 12:05:48 -0500 From: Sandy Triolo To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: RE: Fun Fun! I'm a girl (read women) and I *really* want to learn how to do a wheelie, I just don't want to learn on my 450 pound hurricane, anyone want to donate a 250 dirt bike to the cause? sandy 87 Hurricane 600F 85 Virago 1000 >>> Viteri, Ursulina 01/09 11:10 AM >>> I'm a girl and I think wheelies are cool, but you'd never catch me doing one. Maybe a tiny one cause I accidentally let the clutch slip too soon but nothing on purpose. Ursulina Viteri 202-416-6534 * Fax 202-223-9095 AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. - Washington, DC >-----Original Message----- >From: O'Brien, Jeannette [SMTP:jlobrien@XXXXXX] >Sent: Friday, January 09, 1998 7:32 AM >To: dc-cycles >Subject: Fun Fun! > >Each night this week when I've stopped at the light near my house on >Columbia Pike some guy has pulled up next to me, stared at the bike for >a while & said, "Nice bike." Last night the guy asked if I could do a >wheelie for him. What is it with you men and wheelies!!?? > >- Jeannette > Not Enough Testosterone to Desire Wheelies > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 12:06:48 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA08222; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:06:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA18245; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:06:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA05770; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:06:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com by mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (8.8.8/McCaw V8 version 1) id JAA06620; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:06:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id JAA28248; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:06:05 -0800 Received: from hq-msg01.nwest.mccaw.com by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id JAA28241; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:06:04 -0800 Received: by hq-msg01.nwest.mccaw.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD1CDD.CC40F080@XXXXXX>; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:05:57 -0800 Message-ID: From: "Viteri, Ursulina" To: "'Todd Peer'" , "'Viteri, Ursulina'" Cc: "'O'Brien, Jeannette'" , "'dc-cycles'" Subject: RE: Fun Fun! Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:02:51 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 43 TEXT Anyone willing to volunteer to do some wheelies on Sunday???? Ursulina Viteri 202-416-6534 * Fax 202-223-9095 AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. - Washington, DC >-----Original Message----- >From: Todd Peer [SMTP:Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX] >Sent: Friday, January 09, 1998 8:38 AM >To: Viteri, Ursulina >Cc: 'O'Brien, Jeannette'; 'dc-cycles' >Subject: RE: Fun Fun! > > > Hear that guys? She thinks "Wheelies" (wink, wink) are cool! > Whoohoo! > > Todd > >_______________________ >I'm a girl and I think wheelies are cool, but you'd never catch me doing >one. Maybe a tiny one cause I accidentally let the clutch slip too >soon but nothing on purpose. > >Ursulina Viteri >202-416-6534 * Fax 202-223-9095 >AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. - Washington, DC > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: O'Brien, Jeannette [SMTP:jlobrien@XXXXXX] >>Sent: Friday, January 09, 1998 7:32 AM >>To: dc-cycles >>Subject: Fun Fun! >> >>Each night this week when I've stopped at the light near my house on >>Columbia Pike some guy has pulled up next to me, stared at the bike for >>a while & said, "Nice bike." Last night the guy asked if I could do a >>wheelie for him. What is it with you men and wheelies!!?? >> >>- Jeannette >> Not Enough Testosterone to Desire Wheelies >> >> From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 12:06:51 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA08227; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:06:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA18251; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:06:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA05780; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:06:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay2.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id MAA12976; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:06:40 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:05:18 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D37EB7C@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Viteri, Ursulina'" , "'Todd Peer'" Cc: "O'Brien, Jeannette" , "'dc-cycles'" Subject: RE: Fun Fun! Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:04:20 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Uh oh, we have another flirt on the list!! - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Viteri, Ursulina [SMTP:ursulina.viteri@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, January 09, 1998 12:03 PM > To: 'Todd Peer'; 'Viteri, Ursulina' > Cc: 'O'Brien, Jeannette'; 'dc-cycles' > Subject: RE: Fun Fun! > > Anyone willing to volunteer to do some wheelies on Sunday???? > > Ursulina Viteri > 202-416-6534 * Fax 202-223-9095 > AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. - Washington, DC > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Todd Peer [SMTP:Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX] > >Sent: Friday, January 09, 1998 8:38 AM > >To: Viteri, Ursulina > >Cc: 'O'Brien, Jeannette'; 'dc-cycles' > >Subject: RE: Fun Fun! > > > > > > Hear that guys? She thinks "Wheelies" (wink, wink) are cool! > > Whoohoo! > > > > Todd > > > >_______________________ > >I'm a girl and I think wheelies are cool, but you'd never catch me > doing > >one. Maybe a tiny one cause I accidentally let the clutch slip too > >soon but nothing on purpose. > > > >Ursulina Viteri > >202-416-6534 * Fax 202-223-9095 > >AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. - Washington, DC > > > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: O'Brien, Jeannette [SMTP:jlobrien@XXXXXX] > >>Sent: Friday, January 09, 1998 7:32 AM > >>To: dc-cycles > >>Subject: Fun Fun! > >> > >>Each night this week when I've stopped at the light near my house on > >>Columbia Pike some guy has pulled up next to me, stared at the bike > for > >>a while & said, "Nice bike." Last night the guy asked if I could do > a > >>wheelie for him. What is it with you men and wheelies!!?? > >> > >>- Jeannette > >> Not Enough Testosterone to Desire Wheelies > >> > >> From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 12:07:35 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA08239; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:07:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA18329; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:07:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from portal.visa.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA05792; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:07:19 -0500 (EST) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA21857 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:07:14 -0800 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:07:14 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'Todd Peer'" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Oh Scary Me... Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:08:23 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 6 TEXT >I personally am more scared of the power-suit (read power-tripping) types Todd - ESPECIALLY if they're driving a Volvo... Michael J. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 12:22:40 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA08481; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:22:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA18901; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:22:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from welchlink.welch.jhu.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA06064; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:22:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from HGREENS.adventisthealthcare.com (Pool-207-205-223-90.pitb.grid.net [207.205.223.90]) by welchlink.welch.jhu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA14106 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:20:03 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980109122324.006b55ac@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: hggmd@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 12:23:24 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." Subject: Going riding Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Well, It's 60 degrees and sunny right now, so I'm hitting the road soon. Anybody else going out in the next hour? Harry Bethesda, MD '97 BMW R1100RT http://www.greenspun.com/harry/bikes.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 12:27:37 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA08564; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:27:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA18978; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:27:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA06174; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:27:21 -0500 (EST) From: Jinn Sinn Message-ID: Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:26:31 EST Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Rude Cagers Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) ok...this morning, riding to work on the parkway (Rock Creek) the lanes are merging cause some idiot is blocking traffic in one lane. I'm in the left lane, car in the right lane and slightly BEHIND me (so she DEFINATELY SAW ME)......pulls about 3/4 of the way into my lane forcing me to go left into the left-turn lane where fortunately there were no other cars....her window was down, my visor was up and I yelled "Hey!" (wellll......I couldn't think of anything else on the spur of the moment and my horn doesn't work....) her response was to shrug and proceed to take up the remaining 1/4 of the lane...........argh! marcy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 12:35:32 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA08738; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:35:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA19085; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:35:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA06457; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:35:19 -0500 (EST) From: bmccoy@XXXXXX Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id MAA16831 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:35:19 -0500 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma016807; Fri, 9 Jan 98 12:34:55 -0500 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id MAA18354 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:34:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.11.00.3) id AA884367120; Fri, 09 Jan 98 12:32:01 -0500 Message-Id: <9801098843.AA884367120@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.11.00.3 Date: Fri, 09 Jan 98 12:29:47 -0500 To: Subject: Re: Going riding MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: "cc:Mail Note Part" I would love to join... but the only riding I'm going to be doing in the next hour is to go for lunch. Enjoy yourself... Brian M. ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Well, It's 60 degrees and sunny right now, so I'm hitting the road soon. Anybody else going out in the next hour? Harry Bethesda, MD '97 BMW R1100RT http://www.greenspun.com/harry/bikes.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 12:40:35 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA08815; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:40:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA19165; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:40:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from PASHA.COM by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA06586; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:40:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from PASHA-Message_Server by PASHA.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 09 Jan 1998 12:34:24 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 12:39:53 -0500 From: Sean Sullivan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Riding With Passenger Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Re: Riding With Passenger Fast and frantic when you're alone. Take your time when you're riding with someone else. That's good advice for a lot of things, actually. Sean >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyone out there have any advice on learning how to ride with a passenger? <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 12:41:12 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA08823; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:41:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA19177; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:41:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA06607; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:41:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com by mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (8.8.8/McCaw V8 version 1) id JAA15343; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:40:27 -0800 (PST) Received: by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id JAA07492; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:40:21 -0800 Received: from hq-msg01.nwest.mccaw.com by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id JAA07463; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:40:13 -0800 Received: by hq-msg01.nwest.mccaw.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD1CE2.8F050760@XXXXXX>; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:40:02 -0800 Message-ID: From: "Viteri, Ursulina" To: "'Harry G. Greenspun, M.D.'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Going riding Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:37:00 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 21 TEXT Geez, do you have to rub it in?! : - ) Ursulina Viteri 202-416-6534 * Fax 202-223-9095 AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. - Washington, DC >-----Original Message----- >From: Harry G. Greenspun, M.D. [SMTP:hgg@XXXXXX] >Sent: Friday, January 09, 1998 9:23 AM >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Going riding > >Well, > It's 60 degrees and sunny right now, so I'm hitting the road soon. >Anybody else going out in the next hour? > > >Harry >Bethesda, MD >'97 BMW R1100RT >http://www.greenspun.com/harry/bikes.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 12:43:24 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA08855; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:43:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA19197; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:43:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA06675; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:43:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com by mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (8.8.8/McCaw V8 version 1) id JAA16035; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:42:36 -0800 (PST) Received: by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id JAA07945; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:42:19 -0800 Received: from hq_msg01.nwest.mccaw.com by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id JAA07939; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:42:18 -0800 Received: by hq_msg01.nwest.mccaw.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD1CE2.DECFF840@XXXXXX>; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:42:16 -0800 Message-ID: From: "Viteri, Ursulina" To: "'Jinn Sinn'" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Rude Cagers Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:39:11 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 25 TEXT There is that universal sign that would have gotten your message across, but probably not the best idea to let go of anything while in traffic. Ursulina Viteri 202-416-6534 * Fax 202-223-9095 AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. - Washington, DC >-----Original Message----- >From: Jinn Sinn [SMTP:JinnSinn@XXXXXX] >Sent: Friday, January 09, 1998 9:27 AM >Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Rude Cagers > >ok...this morning, riding to work on the parkway (Rock Creek) the lanes are >merging cause some idiot is blocking traffic in one lane. I'm in the left >lane, car in the right lane and slightly BEHIND me (so she DEFINATELY SAW >ME)......pulls about 3/4 of the way into my lane forcing me to go left into >the left-turn lane where fortunately there were no other cars....her window >was down, my visor was up and I yelled "Hey!" (wellll......I couldn't think >of >anything else on the spur of the moment and my horn doesn't work....) her >response was to shrug and proceed to take up the remaining 1/4 of the >lane...........argh! > >marcy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 12:47:48 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA08929; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:47:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA19286; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:47:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA06758; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:47:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com by mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (8.8.8/McCaw V8 version 1) id JAA17084; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:47:02 -0800 (PST) Received: by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id JAA09256; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:46:57 -0800 Received: from hq_msg01.nwest.mccaw.com by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id JAA09211; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:46:48 -0800 Received: by hq_msg01.nwest.mccaw.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD1CE3.7983B2F0@XXXXXX>; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:46:35 -0800 Message-ID: From: "Viteri, Ursulina" To: "'Sandy Triolo'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: RE: Fun Fun! Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:43:30 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 69 TEXT I'll just watch from a safe distance. I'll bring a camera if you like and capture the moment. Ursulina Viteri 202-416-6534 * Fax 202-223-9095 AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. - Washington, DC >-----Original Message----- >From: Sandy Triolo [SMTP:TRIOLOS@XXXXXX] >Sent: Friday, January 09, 1998 9:06 AM >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: RE: Fun Fun! > >I'm a girl (read women) and I *really* want to learn how to do a wheelie, I >just don't want to learn on my >450 pound hurricane, anyone want to donate a 250 dirt bike to the cause? > >sandy >87 Hurricane 600F >85 Virago 1000 > >>>> Viteri, Ursulina 01/09 11:10 AM >>> >I'm a girl and I think wheelies are cool, but you'd never catch me doing one. > Maybe a tiny one cause I accidentally let the clutch slip too soon but >nothing on purpose. > >Ursulina Viteri >202-416-6534 * Fax 202-223-9095 >AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. - Washington, DC > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: O'Brien, Jeannette [SMTP:jlobrien@XXXXXX] >>Sent: Friday, January 09, 1998 7:32 AM >>To: dc-cycles >>Subject: Fun Fun! >> >>Each night this week when I've stopped at the light near my house on >>Columbia Pike some guy has pulled up next to me, stared at the bike for >>a while & said, "Nice bike." Last night the guy asked if I could do a >>wheelie for him. What is it with you men and wheelies!!?? >> >>- Jeannette >> Not Enough Testosterone to Desire Wheelies >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 12:48:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA08966; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:48:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA19316; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:48:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA06788; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:48:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from default ([12.68.78.53]) by mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA27559; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 17:47:55 +0000 Reply-To: "kevin thomas" From: "kevin thomas" To: , Cc: Subject: Re: Riding with a Passenger Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:44:34 -0500 Message-ID: <01bd1d26$40f988e0$354e440c@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Kurt-- Fortunately, back when I was a new rider, prior to taking the MSF, I rode with a few passengers and they lived. After I knwe what I was doing, I refused passengers for at least 6 months. I can't add to the advice you've gotten here. I'll reiterate, tho, if they don't _quickly_ learn how to be a good passenger, don't let them on the bike. They'll kill you both. I had to do that with a good friend who is a serious bicyclist and an occasional motorcycle rider. I dunno, maybe he has poor impulse control or something. He's almost knocked me over a few times. Another friend, a new rider, got a wheel caught in an old trolley track in Georgetown (maybe he could have stayed up, maybe not) and his passenger _jumped_ off the bike. Of course, he went down then. Good luck Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 12:58:06 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA09201; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:58:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA19427; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:57:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA06996; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:57:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay2.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id MAA28679; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:57:49 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:56:26 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D37EB80@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Sean Sullivan'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Riding With Passenger Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:55:28 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Let's just say I'll leave this one alone... ; ) Squeakers?? - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Sean Sullivan [SMTP:SUPERFND@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, January 09, 1998 12:40 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Riding With Passenger > > Re: Riding With Passenger > > Fast and frantic when you're alone. Take your time when you're > riding with someone > else. That's good advice for a lot of things, actually. > Sean > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Anyone out there have any advice on learning how to ride with a > passenger? > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 13:08:06 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA09374; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 13:08:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA19805; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 13:07:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA07291; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 13:07:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from default ([12.68.78.53]) by mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA9199; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 18:07:20 +0000 Reply-To: "kevin thomas" From: "kevin thomas" To: "Viteri, Ursulina" , "'Jinn Sinn'" Cc: Subject: Re: Rude Cagers Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 13:04:04 -0500 Message-ID: <01bd1d28$f95904e0$354e440c@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Ursulina-- I've been tempted to use that universal sign, but I have a hard time dropping my pants while riding............ :-D later Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 13:15:45 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA09547; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 13:15:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA20409; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 13:15:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA07610; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 13:15:27 -0500 (EST) From: bmccoy@XXXXXX Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id NAA20142 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 13:15:24 -0500 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma020069; Fri, 9 Jan 98 13:14:53 -0500 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id NAA19161 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 13:14:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.11.00.3) id AA884368528; Fri, 09 Jan 98 13:11:58 -0500 Message-Id: <9801098843.AA884368528@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.11.00.3 Date: Fri, 09 Jan 98 12:54:59 -0500 To: Subject: Wheelie Theories... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: "cc:Mail Note Part" Sandy, I'm not so sure that attempting to learn to wheelie on a dirtbike would be beneficial to transferring to the street. This is especially true of a 2-stroke. they are so light, and come on the pipe so hard that there is no effort in doing a wheelie. It might be a good tool to learn balance and control on one wheel for the longer uni-cycle endeavors. Your CBR is actually, what I would consider, a good bike to learn on. It's pretty light, has a good amount of power.. and you're already comfortable on it. As for learning wheelies, there's not a lot to it: There are 2 schools of thought in this regard though. The first being the all out, abuse every fiber of the motorcycle to get the front end in the air theory (al-la Collin.. kidding :) when you start the bike rolling, grab the clutch, go WFO on the throttle and drop the clutch. Not my personal favorite - I did this on a dirt bike - I'm glad grass is soft, and the bike was light - I was on my back in seconds. The second is more technique - in this case you ride to about 7k, chop the throttle off and back on as the front springs rebound while pulling up on the handlebars - the wheelies are less sudden, and generally easier to control. The only drawback is that it takes a lot of power to do this and have grandiose results. Me, a 230lb guy on an 11 year old 500 can get moderate wheelies with this method... if I drop the clutch, my wheel just spins.. Maybe the best learning tool would be a thumper - tons-o-torque and light (usually) to boot..... Anyway... if you really want to learn, you will... but don't abuse the laws to much (I do all my practicing behind the building where I work).. and just be safe.. Brian M. ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ I'm a girl (read women) and I *really* want to learn how to do a wheelie, I just on't want to learn on my 450 pound hurricane, anyone want to donate a 250 dirt bike to the cause? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 13:17:50 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA09583; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 13:17:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA20515; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 13:17:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA07663; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 13:17:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com by mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (8.8.8/McCaw V8 version 1) id KAA23548; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:17:06 -0800 (PST) Received: by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id KAA20857; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:17:01 -0800 Received: from hq_msg01.nwest.mccaw.com by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id KAA20684; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:16:31 -0800 Received: by hq_msg01.nwest.mccaw.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD1CE7.A35DD2A0@XXXXXX>; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:16:24 -0800 Message-ID: From: "Viteri, Ursulina" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Rude Cagers Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:13:19 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 25 TEXT Oh my, that's not the one I was thinking about! Ursulina Viteri 202-416-6534 * Fax 202-223-9095 AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. - Washington, DC >-----Original Message----- >From: kevin thomas [SMTP:klthomas@XXXXXX] >Sent: Friday, January 09, 1998 10:04 AM >To: Viteri, Ursulina; 'Jinn Sinn' >Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Rude Cagers > >Ursulina-- > >I've been tempted to use that universal sign, but I have a hard time >dropping my pants while riding............ > >:-D > >later >Kevin > >He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 13:26:53 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA09702; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 13:26:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA20774; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 13:26:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from draco.eisi.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA07884; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 13:26:39 -0500 (EST) Received: by draco.eisi.com; id NAA21824; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 13:43:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from unknown(10.3.1.4) by draco.eisi.com via smap (3.2) id xma021773; Fri, 9 Jan 98 13:43:30 -0500 Received: by hrnexch1.eisi.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 13:26:15 -0500 Message-ID: <7F151D3C3920D111859A080009D806396E6C31@hrnexch1.eisi.com> From: "Whiteside, John" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Going riding Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 13:26:12 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Oh, sure, tease all of us stuck in our climate-controlled no-windows-that-open offices. -- John Whiteside > -----Original Message----- > From: Harry G. Greenspun, M.D. [SMTP:hgg@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, January 09, 1998 12:23 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Going riding > > Well, > It's 60 degrees and sunny right now, so I'm hitting the road soon. > Anybody else going out in the next hour? > > > Harry > Bethesda, MD > '97 BMW R1100RT > http://www.greenspun.com/harry/bikes.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 13:29:47 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA09742; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 13:29:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA20822; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 13:29:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from goliath.intelsol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA07990; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 13:29:27 -0500 (EST) From: sbeck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.06 (346.8 3-18-1997)) id 85256587.00661DAF ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 13:35:22 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256587.00659DB6.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 13:35:18 -0400 Subject: Fun Fun! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII >You just *think* he was checking out the bike. You were wearing >your leather pants, right? 'Nice Bike' is a secret code phrase. Of >couse, I've sworn upon the Sacred He Man Biker Code to never >reveal what the secret codes are to one of you females. >And don't any of you other guys spill the secret either! :-) >Dale (the Horkster) >PS: You should have smacked that guy for asking you to do >a "wheelie" for him. Another code phrase. The nerve of that guy! Yes they were definitely secret codes. Here are some generic examples of such codes. THE WOMEN'S GUIDE TO MALE ENGLISH I'm hungry = I'm hungry I'm sleepy = I'm sleepy I'm tired = I'm tired Do you want to go to a movie = I'd eventually like to have sex with you Can I take you out to dinner? = I'd eventually like to have sex with you Can I call you sometime? = I'd eventually like to have sex with you May I have this dance? = I'd eventually like to have sex with you Nice dress = Nice cleavage! You look tense, let me give you a massage = I want to fondle you What's wrong? = I don't see why you're making such a big deal out of this What's wrong? = what meaningless, self inflicted psychological trauma are you going through now? What's wrong? = I guess sex tonight is out of the question I'm bored = Do you want to have sex? I love you = Let's have sex now I love you, too = Oay, I said it...we'd better have sex now! Yes, I like the way you cut your hair = I liked it better before Yes, I like the way you cut your hair = $50 and it doesn't look that much different! Let's talk = I am trying to impress you by showing that I am a deep person and maybe then you'd like to have sex with me Will you marry me? = I want to make it illegal for other men to have sex with you I like that one better (while shopping) = Pick any frigging dress and let's go home! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 13:30:56 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA09814; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 13:30:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA20868; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 13:30:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from draco.eisi.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA08092; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 13:30:40 -0500 (EST) Received: by draco.eisi.com; id NAA22270; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 13:48:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from unknown(10.3.1.4) by draco.eisi.com via smap (3.2) id xma022263; Fri, 9 Jan 98 13:48:01 -0500 Received: by hrnexch1.eisi.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 13:30:46 -0500 Message-ID: <7F151D3C3920D111859A080009D806396E6C32@hrnexch1.eisi.com> From: "Whiteside, John" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Rude Cagers Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 13:30:43 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain It's probably not a good idea for a lot of reasons. A couple of years ago I was driving (not riding) along in moderate traffic in the Boston burb where my office was, when a guy came tearing out of a parking lot & nearly hit me. Good thing I was paying attention. I reflexively honked at him. He slammed on his breaks (nearly landing me in his back seat, since he had just cut me off & I was right behind him), stopped, and hopped out of the car. Then he came back to my car, started pounding on my window and screaming. He was completely nuts -- eyes bugging out, veins bulging. Oh yeah, and he was over 6' and 200 lbs., I'm 5'8 and 150. Then he snapped out of it and drove away. A lot of people are psychopaths. I honk if I think it'll keep 'em from hitting me, otherwise I let it go. -- John Whiteside > -----Original Message----- > From: Viteri, Ursulina [SMTP:ursulina.viteri@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, January 09, 1998 12:39 PM > To: 'Jinn Sinn' > Cc: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > Subject: RE: Rude Cagers > > There is that universal sign that would have gotten your message > across, > but probably not the best idea to let go of anything while in traffic. > > Ursulina Viteri > 202-416-6534 * Fax 202-223-9095 > AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. - Washington, DC > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Jinn Sinn [SMTP:JinnSinn@XXXXXX] > >Sent: Friday, January 09, 1998 9:27 AM > >Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >Subject: Rude Cagers > > > >ok...this morning, riding to work on the parkway (Rock Creek) the > lanes are > >merging cause some idiot is blocking traffic in one lane. I'm in the > left > >lane, car in the right lane and slightly BEHIND me (so she DEFINATELY > SAW > >ME)......pulls about 3/4 of the way into my lane forcing me to go > left into > >the left-turn lane where fortunately there were no other cars....her > window > >was down, my visor was up and I yelled "Hey!" (wellll......I couldn't > think > >of > >anything else on the spur of the moment and my horn doesn't work....) > her > >response was to shrug and proceed to take up the remaining 1/4 of the > >lane...........argh! > > > >marcy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 13:40:09 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA09965; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 13:40:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA21044; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 13:39:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from DONALD.CDER.FDA.GOV by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA08300; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 13:39:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from mr.cder.fda.gov by fdaserv.cder.fda.gov (PMDF V5.1-8 #21467) id <01IS6B2K38ZK8ZHM6N@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 13:40:09 EST Received: with PMDF-MR; Fri, 09 Jan 1998 13:36:16 -0500 (EST) MR-Received: by mta DONALD; Relayed; Fri, 09 Jan 1998 13:36:16 -0500 Alternate-recipient: prohibited Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 13:36:38 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy Subject: Re: Wheelie Theories... To: DC Cycles Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Posting-date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 13:36:39 -0500 (EST) Importance: normal Priority: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential UA-content-id: E1132IES2XH3C X400-MTS-identifier: [;61633190108991/2243021@FDACD] A1-type: MAIL Hop-count: 1 >Not my personal favorite - I did this on a dirt bike - I'm glad grass is >soft, and the bike was light - I was on my back in seconds. While the danger is obvious I think it bears pointing to a story from my childhood. We bought a CR80R (two stroke "racing" dirt bike) from a kid who did just this and probably still can't walk upright (this was about 17 years ago). On the other hand, we only paid $400 for a bike that had maybe 4 or 5 hours of easy usage before the damaging over-wheelie was done. If memory serves that was the hot mini of the day... Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 13:40:58 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA09973; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 13:40:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA21069; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 13:40:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA08307; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 13:40:46 -0500 (EST) From: MotorLE Message-ID: <80b744b6.34b66ecb@aol.com> Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 13:39:06 EST To: TRIOLOS@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: RE: Fun Fun! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) >I'm a girl (read women) and I *really* want to learn how to do a wheelie, I just >don't want to learn on my >450 pound hurricane, anyone want to donate a 250 dirt bike to the cause? I "accidently" learned to wheelie on my 450 pound BMW. BMWs are girls bikes, aren't they? Colleen From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 13:54:40 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA10200; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 13:54:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA21231; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 13:54:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA08652; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 13:54:14 -0500 (EST) From: Jinn Sinn Message-ID: <2fe76be.34b67127@aol.com> Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 13:49:10 EST To: klthomas@XXXXXX, ursulina.viteri@XXXXXX, JinnSinn@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: Rude Cagers Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) In a message dated 1/9/98 1:07:53 PM, klthomas@XXXXXX wrote: <> gee maybe I should've just flashed her..... ;D From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 14:05:08 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA10383; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 14:05:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA21429; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 14:04:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from citi.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA08874; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 14:04:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from ns1 ([132.80.98.55]) by citi.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA24430; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 14:05:06 -0500 Message-ID: <34B6763C.436C5A4@ibm.net> Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 14:10:52 -0500 From: "Robert W. Johnston" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Whiteside, John" CC: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Unrelated rant for the day...Re: Rude Cagers X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <7F151D3C3920D111859A080009D806396E6C32@hrnexch1.eisi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > ...started pounding on my window and screaming. He was completely nuts > -- eyes bugging out, veins bulging. Oh yeah, and he was over 6' and > 200 lbs., I'm 5'8 and > 150 ... I had a similar experience in a shopping lot the Friday after Thanksgiving, only I added the seated universal salute. The guy was smaller and and younger than me. Started to walk over to my truck, ranting about pieces of him and kicking things... So I pepper sprayed the moron ( with a streaming 10% capsium and tear gas mix product)... Now having pepper sprayed someone, I will say that it is not the 'immediate immobilization' that the non-lethal force proponents claim. The guy did go away, but to those of you looking to a product like this for personal protection, as opposed to pest repellent, my advise is to move to Virginia and get a concealed carry permit. Nothing says No as loud as a Colt. Just another lunatic out for a thrill, rwj From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 14:06:51 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA10407; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 14:06:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA21515; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 14:06:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA08922; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 14:06:39 -0500 (EST) Received: by hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD1D07.704D69A0@XXXXXX>; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 14:04:02 -0500 Message-ID: From: To: , Subject: RE: Wheelie Theories... Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 14:04:00 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 39 TEXT Well, if we are trading wheelie stories. When I was 15, I was dating this farm boy (actually they were all farm boys - lived in the sticks) and he had a red Honda CRX90 (I think, never paid that much attention to them then) and he let me ride it. He said "Don't pop the cluch, we've been working on it". Well not knowing exactly what he meant, I popped the clutch, the bike reared and silly me instead of leaving it go, I held on, fell on my back with this bike on top of me. Bruised my breast bone, ribs and chest pretty bad. (Shut up, Dale about the swelling that still hasn't gone down - that's not swelling - that's 100% me!) To this day I just try and keep all of the wheels on the ground. Tracy Horstman '87 Suzuki Savage 650 "There are 2 types of computer users in the world: Those that have lost data and those that are going to....." ---------- From: Kirk Roy[SMTP:ROYK@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, January 09, 1998 1:36 PM To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Wheelie Theories... >Not my personal favorite - I did this on a dirt bike - I'm glad grass is >soft, and the bike was light - I was on my back in seconds. While the danger is obvious I think it bears pointing to a story from my childhood. We bought a CR80R (two stroke "racing" dirt bike) from a kid who did just this and probably still can't walk upright (this was about 17 years ago). On the other hand, we only paid $400 for a bike that had maybe 4 or 5 hours of easy usage before the damaging over-wheelie was done. If memory serves that was the hot mini of the day... Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 14:08:44 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA10444; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 14:08:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA21601; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 14:08:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA08967; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 14:08:30 -0500 (EST) Received: by hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD1D07.B3B879F0@XXXXXX>; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 14:05:55 -0500 Message-ID: From: To: , Subject: RE: Going riding Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 14:05:53 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 35 TEXT You have windows! What I wouldn't do to have a window....... Tracy Horstman '87 Suzuki Savage 650 "There are 2 types of computer users in the world: Those that have lost data and those that are going to....." ---------- From: Whiteside, John[SMTP:jwhiteside@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, January 09, 1998 1:26 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Going riding Oh, sure, tease all of us stuck in our climate-controlled no-windows-that-open offices. -- John Whiteside > -----Original Message----- > From: Harry G. Greenspun, M.D. [SMTP:hgg@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, January 09, 1998 12:23 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Going riding > > Well, > It's 60 degrees and sunny right now, so I'm hitting the road soon. > Anybody else going out in the next hour? > > > Harry > Bethesda, MD > '97 BMW R1100RT > http://www.greenspun.com/harry/bikes.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 14:10:54 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA10491; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 14:10:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA21754; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 14:10:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from draco.eisi.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA09032; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 14:10:39 -0500 (EST) Received: by draco.eisi.com; id OAA25454; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 14:28:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from unknown(10.3.1.4) by draco.eisi.com via smap (3.2) id xma025446; Fri, 9 Jan 98 14:28:06 -0500 Received: by hrnexch1.eisi.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 14:10:51 -0500 Message-ID: <7F151D3C3920D111859A080009D806396E6C36@hrnexch1.eisi.com> From: "Whiteside, John" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Going riding Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 14:10:48 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Well, not in my own cube. If I lean waaaaay back in my chair and look down the aisle, I can see some sunlight off in the distance... John Whiteside Marketing Specialist EIS Marketing Dept. Phone: (703) 736-8386 * Fax (703) 787-6720 jwhiteside@XXXXXX http://www.eisi.com > -----Original Message----- > From: tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX [SMTP:tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, January 09, 1998 2:06 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX; jwhiteside@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Going riding > > You have windows! What I wouldn't do to have a window....... > Tracy Horstman > '87 Suzuki Savage 650 > "There are 2 types of computer users in the world: > Those that have lost data > and those that are going to....." > > ---------- > From: Whiteside, John[SMTP:jwhiteside@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, January 09, 1998 1:26 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Going riding > > Oh, sure, tease all of us stuck in our climate-controlled > no-windows-that-open offices. > > -- John Whiteside > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Harry G. Greenspun, M.D. [SMTP:hgg@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Friday, January 09, 1998 12:23 PM > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Going riding > > > > Well, > > It's 60 degrees and sunny right now, so I'm hitting the road soon. > > Anybody else going out in the next hour? > > > > > > Harry > > Bethesda, MD > > '97 BMW R1100RT > > http://www.greenspun.com/harry/bikes.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 14:21:15 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA10642; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 14:21:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA22171; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 14:20:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from portal.visa.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA09284; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 14:20:50 -0500 (EST) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA10636 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:20:48 -0800 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:20:48 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'Robert W. Johnston'" , "'Whiteside, John'" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Unrelated rant for the day...Re: Rude Cagers Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:21:52 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 6 TEXT >Nothing says No as loud as a Colt. My PPKS says no quite nicely (sniff) Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 14:29:00 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA10865; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 14:29:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA22807; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 14:28:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from portal.visa.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA09677; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 14:28:45 -0500 (EST) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA11638 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:28:41 -0800 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:28:41 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Wheelie Theories... Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:29:50 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 19 TEXT I remember my first wheelie as if it were yesterday... 'Twas in 1961, as I tried to impress a young lady (wunnerful stuff, testosterone!). I cranked the throttle open and dropped the clutch on my Vespa (you in back - stop snickering!) The front wheel climbed for the sky, I slid off the seat and proceeded to get dragged down the road on my knees, still clutching the handlebars and squeezing the front brake lever (with very little effect, I might add) Eventually, we (the Vespa and I) fell over. As I recall, it wasn't anywhere near as funny at the time... Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 14:54:28 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA11419; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 14:54:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA24093; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 14:54:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from citi.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA10531; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 14:54:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from ns1 ([132.80.98.55]) by citi.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA24481; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 14:54:14 -0500 Message-ID: <34B681BF.360AE9E9@ibm.net> Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 14:59:59 -0500 From: "Robert W. Johnston" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Jordan, Michael" CC: "'Whiteside, John'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: Unrelated rant for the day...Re: Rude Cagers X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jordan, Michael wrote: > My PPKS says no quite nicely (sniff) and very politely I would expect... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 15:07:16 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA11583; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 15:07:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA24250; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 15:06:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA10841; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 15:06:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.02c) id A35B2E50078; Fri, 09 Jan 1998 15:06:51 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980109145256.009daa90@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 14:52:56 -0500 To: From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Rude Cagers In-Reply-To: <01bd1d28$f95904e0$354e440c@default> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 01:04 PM 1/9/98 -0500, kevin thomas wrote: >Ursulina-- > >I've been tempted to use that universal sign, but I have a hard time >dropping my pants while riding............ > >:-D ^^^^^^ Is this what yours looks like? Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 15:07:17 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA11586; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 15:07:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA24253; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 15:06:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA10847; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 15:06:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.02c) id A35C2E50078; Fri, 09 Jan 1998 15:06:52 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980109150551.009daa90@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 15:05:51 -0500 To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Unrelated rant for the day...Re: Rude Cagers In-Reply-To: <34B6763C.436C5A4@ibm.net> References: <7F151D3C3920D111859A080009D806396E6C32@hrnexch1.eisi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 02:10 PM 1/9/98 -0500, Robert W. Johnston wrote: >Now having pepper sprayed someone, I will say that it is not the >'immediate immobilization' that the non-lethal force proponents claim. >The guy did go away, but to those of you looking to a product like this >for personal protection, as opposed to pest repellent, my advise is to >move to Virginia and get a concealed carry permit. Nothing says No as >loud as a Colt. > >Just another lunatic out for a thrill, So you pull your Colt, and he pulls his 14-shot 9mm, and you pull your sawed-off, and he pulls his MAC-10, ... I just think this is a rapidly escalating, rapidly degenerating situation. Remember the two dueling drivers on the GW Parkway? One died and two innocents died? The dead driver was a known aggressive driver with multiple reckless tickets; his girlfriend said he took out his aggressions on the road. The surviving driver is in jail for about 10 years now, in the past he'd been charged with beating his wife, and he was illegally carrying a gun in his car when he wrecked. Do you really want to go up against nuts like this? Not me, life is too important to waste it on people like this. Chris Norloff P.S. The day I pulled out my 357 Magnum as a crazy raced up behind me in his car was the day I decided I want no part of trying to John Wayne it through life. Life is real, John Wayne wasn't. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 15:07:17 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA11585; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 15:07:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA24252; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 15:06:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA10844; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 15:06:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.02c) id A3582E50078; Fri, 09 Jan 1998 15:06:51 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980109145455.009daa90@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 14:54:55 -0500 To: From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Rude Cagers In-Reply-To: <7F151D3C3920D111859A080009D806396E6C32@hrnexch1.eisi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 01:30 PM 1/9/98 -0500, Whiteside, John wrote: >Then he came back to my car, started pounding on >my window and screaming. He was completely nuts -- eyes bugging out, >veins bulging. Oh yeah, and he was over 6' and 200 lbs., I'm 5'8 and >150. Then he snapped out of it and drove away. > >A lot of people are psychopaths. I honk if I think it'll keep 'em from >hitting me, otherwise I let it go. Very, very, good advice. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 15:23:26 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA11875; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 15:23:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA24766; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 15:23:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.clark.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA11445; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 15:23:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from explorer.clark.net (louis@XXXXXX [168.143.0.7]) by mail.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA09210; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 15:23:03 -0500 (EST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Received: (from louis@localhost) by explorer.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA06632; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 15:22:58 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199801092022.PAA06632@explorer.clark.net> Subject: Re: Riding with a Passenger To: hgg@XXXXXX (Harry G. Greenspun, M.D.) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 15:22:58 -0500 (EST) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980109114846.0069f814@pop.mindspring.com> from "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." at Jan 9, 98 11:48:46 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24alpha3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > > Riding two-up has less to do with you than with them. Although you need > to do a few things (slow down, smooth transitions, etc.), the most > important thing you can do is educate them on being a good passenger. > This includes: > > One thing I cannot get over, though, is seeing guys in boots, leathers, > etc., riding with a passenger wearing shorts and a t-shirt (unless it's a > bikini top...). When I ride with passengers, I have them wear long pants, > gloves, boots, my old Vanson jacket, ear plugs, and a full face helmet. I > also have a second electric vest for when it's cold. Very good advice. Let me add one thing. Be VERY clear about the above before you begin your ride. I took a friend on a poker run once, and after the first rest stop, she took her jacket off, and refused to put it back on. We got into a discussion, and she was pointed out all of the others that were riding with just short sleeves or less. (This was a HOG Poker Run). The two road captains (also MSF instructors who I have taugh with) were wearing long sleeve shirts, I had a leather jacket on (vents opened wide) and a few others had long sleeves or jackets, but about half did not. People were mounting up, and Kelly was the type that no matter how much I tried to get her to wear her jacket (I never yelled or insulted, but I did continue to push) she would not put the jacket back on. I though of heading straight home, but I didn't really know where we were at that point. After the ride, Kelly told me she didn't like the way I tried to push her to wear her jacket and she didn't think she would ride with me anymore. At that point that was fine with me. (had some other problems too) So you should make sure you passenger knows your guidelines in advance, and will agree to them. And suggest alternatives. If it is going to be a hot day, suggest they throw a white long sleeve shirt in your tank bag in case they want to take their jackets off, etc. BTW: I'm not trying to start a war about peole who wear jackets vs. people who don't. I teach the MSF:RSS course, and feel that I should practice what I preach. Long sleeves, helmets (even in states without helmet laws, like when I went to CT) etc. And since I am responsible for my passenger (who's ass is going to get sued if she's hurt?) I feel I have the right to ask her to dress safely. Louis From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 15:41:06 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA12165; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 15:41:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA25019; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 15:40:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from sundown.northgrum.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA12093; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 15:40:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from puff.northgrum.com (puff.northgrum.com [157.127.103.139]) by sundown.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id MAA24114 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:40:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from xcgca004.northgrum.com ([157.127.103.103]) by puff.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id MAA29280 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:40:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by XCGCA004 with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:41:17 -0800 Message-ID: <11D743514607D011A15500805FEA3464A45DC4@xcgva001.grumman.com> From: "Meier, Christopher" To: "'Louis F. Caplan'" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Riding with a Passenger Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:41:25 -0800 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Louis, While I agree with you to a certain point ... what good does a long sleeve shirt do? I mean other than prevent sun-burn. I always wear protection when I ride, but I figure if I take the jacket off, I might as well go shirtless, if all I have under it is a cotton shirt. I don't let passengers on unless they are wearing my second helmet, second jacket (which was leather and is now a Canyon cordura) and a pair of leather gloves. My SO does object to the heat, but knows the importance of the protection. It funny though, cause on the really hot days, every once in a while she taps me on the shoulder, a signal to lay on the tank for a few miles to give her some wind. :-) Ymmv, chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ > ---------- > From: Louis F. Caplan[SMTP:louis@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, January 09, 1998 3:22 PM > To: hgg@XXXXXX > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Riding with a Passenger > --snip-- > BTW: I'm not trying to start a war about peole who wear jackets vs. > people > who don't. I teach the MSF:RSS course, and feel that I should > practice > what I preach. Long sleeves, helmets (even in states without helmet > laws, > like when I went to CT) etc. And since I am responsible for my > passenger > (who's ass is going to get sued if she's hurt?) I feel I have the > right > to ask her to dress safely. > > Louis > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 15:45:08 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA12238; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 15:45:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA25117; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 15:45:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA12219; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 15:45:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com by mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (8.8.8/McCaw V8 version 1) id MAA23042; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:44:28 -0800 (PST) Received: by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id MAA00561; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:44:24 -0800 Received: from hq-msg01.nwest.mccaw.com by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id MAA00524; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:44:19 -0800 Received: by hq-msg01.nwest.mccaw.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD1CFC.46B75C00@XXXXXX>; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:44:08 -0800 Message-ID: From: "Viteri, Ursulina" To: "'Chris Norloff'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Rude Cagers Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:40:55 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 59 TEXT I was thinking more along the lines of a raspberry >: P or the bird, not naked fannies, like this: (_!_) a regular ass > > (__!__) a fat ass > > (!) a tight ass > > (_._) a flat ass > > (_^^_) a bubble ass > > (_*_) a sore ass > > (_!__) a lop-sided ass > > {_!_} a swishy ass > > (_o_) an ass that's been around > > (_O_) and ass that's been around even more > > (_x_) kiss my ass > > (_X_) leave my ass alone > > (_zzz_) a tired ass > > (_o^^o_) a wise ass > > (_13_) an unlucky ass Ursulina Viteri 202-416-6534 * Fax 202-223-9095 AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. - Washington, DC >-----Original Message----- >From: Chris Norloff [SMTP:cnorloff@XXXXXX] >Sent: Friday, January 09, 1998 11:53 AM >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Rude Cagers > >At 01:04 PM 1/9/98 -0500, kevin thomas wrote: >>Ursulina-- >> >>I've been tempted to use that universal sign, but I have a hard time >>dropping my pants while riding............ >> >>:-D >^^^^^^ >Is this what yours looks like? > >Chris Norloff > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 15:51:31 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA12357; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 15:51:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA25252; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 15:51:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from goliath.intelsol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA12468; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 15:51:18 -0500 (EST) From: sbeck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.06 (346.8 3-18-1997)) id 85256587.00731DBF ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 15:57:22 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256587.0072B27E.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 15:57:19 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII After the ride, Kelly told me she didn't like the way I tried to push her to wear her jacket and she didn't think she would ride with me anymore. At that point that was fine with me. (had some other problems too) I wonder if she would have complied if you told her to either put the jacket back on, or walk home. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 16:01:41 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA12562; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:01:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA25458; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:01:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA12855; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:01:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay2.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id QAA28872; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:01:29 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:00:07 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D37EB89@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'sbeck@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 15:59:09 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Right on!! Now that's what I would've done!! - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: sbeck@XXXXXX [SMTP:sbeck@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, January 09, 1998 2:57 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: > > > After the ride, Kelly told me she didn't like the way I tried to push > her to wear her jacket and she didn't think she would ride with me > anymore. At that point that was fine with me. (had some other > problems > too) > > I wonder if she would have complied if you told her to either put the > jacket back on, or walk home. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 16:03:06 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA12592; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:03:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA25473; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:03:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA12878; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:02:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id QAA14752; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:02:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (nmta2.mcit.com [166.37.172.3]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id QAA26050; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:02:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19980109210226.JBMJ6587@[166.41.242.141]>; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:02:26 -0500 Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 15:54 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: "Meier, Christopher" CC: "'Louis F. Caplan'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Riding with a Passenger X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980109210226.JBMJ6587@[166.41.242.141]> Though it sounds insignificant as protection, even a long sleeve shirt is better than nothing at all. I crashed at around 25mph with nothing more than a t-shirt and cotton jacket. The jacket took all the abrasion in the shoulder and was un-wearable afterword. Just wondering what my shoulder would've looked like without the little protection I had on... But your point is well taken. Protection is only good if it is worn when you go down the tarmac. And, I'll admit it, on REALLY hot days, I usually do remove the jacket....and pray! Todd Message-ID: <11D743514607D011A15500805FEA3464A45DC4@xcgva001.grumman.com> From: "Meier, Christopher" To: "'Louis F. Caplan'" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Riding with a Passenger Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:41:25 -0800 Louis, While I agree with you to a certain point ... what good does a long sleeve shirt do? I mean other than prevent sun-burn. I always wear protection when I ride, but I figure if I take the jacket off, I might as well go shirtless, if all I have under it is a cotton shirt. I don't let passengers on unless they are wearing my second helmet, second jacket (which was leather and is now a Canyon cordura) and a pair of leather gloves. My SO does object to the heat, but knows the importance of the protection. It funny though, cause on the really hot days, every once in a while she taps me on the shoulder, a signal to lay on the tank for a few miles to give her some wind. :-) Ymmv, chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ > ---------- > From: Louis F. Caplan[SMTP:louis@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, January 09, 1998 3:22 PM > To: hgg@XXXXXX > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Riding with a Passenger > --snip-- > BTW: I'm not trying to start a war about peole who wear jackets vs. > people > who don't. I teach the MSF:RSS course, and feel that I should > practice > what I preach. Long sleeves, helmets (even in states without helmet > laws, > like when I went to CT) etc. And since I am responsible for my > passenger > (who's ass is going to get sued if she's hurt?) I feel I have the > right > to ask her to dress safely. > > Louis > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 16:04:25 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA12616; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:04:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA25493; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:04:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA12916; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:04:18 -0500 (EST) From: Jinn Sinn Message-ID: Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:03:46 EST To: louis@XXXXXX, hgg@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: Riding with a Passenger Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) In a message dated 1/9/98 3:33:07 PM, louis@XXXXXX wrote: <> damn right! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 16:12:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA12794; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:12:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA25697; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:12:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA13202; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:12:27 -0500 (EST) From: Jinn Sinn Message-ID: <3b2a28e8.34b6904e@aol.com> Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:02:05 EST To: cnorloff@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: Rude Cagers Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) In a message dated 1/9/98 3:25:27 PM, cnorloff@XXXXXX wrote: <> what is THIS? hmmm? A little "I'll show ya mine if you show me yours" ???? LOL marcy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 16:12:41 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA12801; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:12:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA25695; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:12:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA13204; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:12:27 -0500 (EST) From: Jinn Sinn Message-ID: <26045c68.34b6900a@aol.com> Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:00:57 EST To: cnorloff@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: Unrelated rant for the day...Re: Rude Cagers Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) In a message dated 1/9/98 3:22:38 PM, cnorloff@XXXXXX wrote: <> I'm with you Chris......I'd rather let 'em cut me off etc. etc. etc. and go along their merry way than try to find out if they;'re actually armed or not From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 16:14:46 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA12894; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:14:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA25812; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:14:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from welchlink.welch.jhu.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA13369; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:14:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from HGREENS.adventisthealthcare.com (Pool-207-205-223-90.pitb.grid.net [207.205.223.90]) by welchlink.welch.jhu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA21331 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:12:11 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980109161533.006cbb9c@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: hggmd@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 16:15:33 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." Subject: Wheelies Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" There was a great thread on wheelies ages ago on rec.moto. Someone asked how to pop a wheelie... the reply, "Sneeze on a ZX-11." This thread was invariably followed with ones on rebuilding clutches. There are a series of tricks you can do on bikes. Learning them often trashes your bike and/or your body and I don't recommend them... repeat: I DO NOT RECOMMEND THEM. However, my favorite is still the "Rear Wheel Smoke" which involves standing up with feet on the pavement (while the bike is stopped, of course), squeezing the front brake and spinning the rear wheel. The best example of this was in the original "Mad Max" movie, where the bad guys were making donuts then releasing the brake and flying off to terrorize other innocents. It is grossly irresponsible, intimidating to cagers, and tons of fun. You can practice it on a wet road. Good clutch and throttle control are key, as is extra downward pressure on the bars. An unlimited tire and maintenance budget helps, too. A variation on this was done by Cycle World magazine, when the ZX-11 was first introduced. In the photo spread, first the rear tire smokes, then the front end lifts, and finally the whole bike launches (briefly) skyward. Very cool. I could only muster two of the three on my (long lost) Ninja. Harry Bethesda, MD '97 BMW R1100RT http://www.greenspun.com/harry/bikes.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 16:15:45 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA12927; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:15:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA25867; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:15:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from citi.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA13389; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:15:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from johnston.citi.com ([207.226.79.175]) by citi.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA24573; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:15:23 -0500 Received: by johnston.citi.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BD1D1A.1BAE39C0@XXXXXX>; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:17:40 -0500 Message-ID: <01BD1D1A.1BAE39C0@johnston.citi.com> From: Robert Johnston To: "'O'Brien, Jeannette'" , "'Gil M. Nissley'" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Types of People wasRE: Ride Sunday & Other Nonsense Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:17:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yeah okay, works slow today... There is two types of people, those that are dead, and those that are gonna be dead. -Or- "Every man dies, but many never live".. -----Original Message----- From: O'Brien, Jeannette [SMTP:jlobrien@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, January 09, 1998 8:42 AM To: 'Gil M. Nissley'; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Ride Sunday & Other Nonsense I always hear "I'd NEVER ride one of those." or "BE CAREFUL!!" (this warning is usually said at least 3 times as I'm walking to my bike." I've also heard MANY times from people who've NEVER ridden: "There's 2 types of bikers, those who've gone down & those who will." AND!!?? SO WHAT!!?? Should that keep me from my passion? - J From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 16:16:50 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA12953; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:16:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA25913; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:16:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from welchlink.welch.jhu.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA13427; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:16:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from HGREENS.adventisthealthcare.com (Pool-207-205-223-90.pitb.grid.net [207.205.223.90]) by welchlink.welch.jhu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA22059; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:14:04 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980109161711.006cbb9c@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: hggmd@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 16:17:11 -0500 To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" From: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." Subject: RE: Cc: "'sbeck@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D37EB89@badge.tuckerflyer.c om> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 03:59 PM 1/9/98 -0500, O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: >Right on!! Now that's what I would've done!! > >- Jeannette > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sbeck@XXXXXX [SMTP:sbeck@XXXXXX] >> I wonder if she would have complied if you told her to either put the >> jacket back on, or walk home. >> > This is really sad. Trying to get a date to put more clothes on. Have we forgotten why we got bikes in the first place?!? Harry Bethesda, MD '97 BMW R1100RT http://www.greenspun.com/harry/bikes.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 16:18:16 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA12979; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:18:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA25956; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:18:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA13457; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:18:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay2.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id QAA03336; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:18:07 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:16:43 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D37EB8A@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Harry G. Greenspun, M.D.'" , "O'Brien, Jeannette" Cc: "'sbeck@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:15:46 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Speaking of that, I find it rather amusing when I blow by a girl or group of girls on my bike and they turn & stare hungrily at me, not realizing I'm a GIRL on a bike, not some young hot biker stud!! - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Harry G. Greenspun, M.D. [SMTP:hgg@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, January 09, 1998 4:17 PM > To: O'Brien, Jeannette > Cc: 'sbeck@XXXXXX'; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: > > At 03:59 PM 1/9/98 -0500, O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: > >Right on!! Now that's what I would've done!! > > > >- Jeannette > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: sbeck@XXXXXX [SMTP:sbeck@XXXXXX] > >> I wonder if she would have complied if you told her to either put > the > >> jacket back on, or walk home. > >> > > > > This is really sad. Trying to get a date to put more clothes on. > Have we > forgotten why we got bikes in the first place?!? > > Harry > Bethesda, MD > '97 BMW R1100RT > http://www.greenspun.com/harry/bikes.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 16:24:35 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA13145; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:24:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA26332; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:24:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from sundown.northgrum.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA13601; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:24:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from puff.northgrum.com (puff.northgrum.com [157.127.103.139]) by sundown.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id NAA26338 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 13:24:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from xcgca011.northgrum.com ([157.127.103.101]) by puff.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id NAA01416 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 13:24:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by XCGCA011 with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 13:24:50 -0800 Message-ID: <11D743514607D011A15500805FEA3464A45DC5@xcgva001.grumman.com> From: "Meier, Christopher" To: "'dc-cycles'" Subject: Well, Raise 'em some more then ... Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 13:24:43 -0800 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Interesting Article from Today's Washington Post Metro Section pg. B3 State Highway Deaths Hit 33-Year Low Fewer people died on Maryland highways last year than in any year since 1964, according to preliminary figures from the state police. State Police Superintendent David B. Mitchell said 591 people died in traffic crashes during 1997, the lowest number in more than three decades. However, the preliminary count may change by the time final fatality figures are tabulated this month. The 1997 count follows a downward trend of recent years. The state's highway death count peaked in 1968 with 872. In 1996, 615 people died. Mitchell said state police vigilantly pursued aggressive and reckless drivers last year, issuing more than 144,000 aggressive driving citations in the first 11 months of 1997. --------------------------------------------------------------- Interesting news given that the speed limits were _raised_ in MD this year. I would assume this drop to be due to safety improvements in vehicles, not enforcement. Comments? Later, chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 16:26:45 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA13189; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:26:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA26456; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:26:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA13691; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:26:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from rdt.erols.com (man-as7s08.erols.com [207.172.74.135]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA20966; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:27:46 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199801092127.QAA20966@smtp1.erols.com> Reply-To: From: "Ror D. Turner, Esq." To: "Louis F. Caplan" , "DC-Cycles List" Subject: Re: Ride on Saturday Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:12:13 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I will be there by 11:30 on Saturday. Roy D. Turner, Esq. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 16:27:40 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA13209; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:27:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA26474; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:27:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA13708; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:27:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id QAA24595 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:27:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid02.mcit.com [166.37.221.14]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA14404 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 15:27:00 -0600 (CST) Received: from mci.com ([166.32.114.127]) by imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with ESMTP id <19980109212520.UPCV28757@XXXXXX> for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 15:25:20 -0600 Message-ID: <34B695BE.32EE9424@mci.com> Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 16:25:18 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Reply-To: Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Unrelated rant for the day...Re: Rude Cagers References: <26045c68.34b6900a@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Right, why waste the time to bother with them? See, I *know* I could kick their asses if I wanted to, so therefore I don't *have* to. Although, I admit, there are some days that I *want* to.... :-) Horkster (Still wondering how I qualified as an "Angry Biker"....) Jinn Sinn wrote: > In a message dated 1/9/98 3:22:38 PM, cnorloff@XXXXXX wrote: > > < > Not me, life is too important to waste it on people like this.>> > > I'm with you Chris......I'd rather let 'em cut me off etc. etc. etc. and go > along their merry way than try to find out if they;'re actually armed or not From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 16:29:58 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA13248; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:29:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA26583; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:29:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from sundown.northgrum.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA13796; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:29:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from puff.northgrum.com (puff.northgrum.com [157.127.103.139]) by sundown.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id NAA26704 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 13:29:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from xcgca011.northgrum.com ([157.127.103.101]) by puff.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id NAA01738 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 13:29:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by XCGCA011 with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 13:30:28 -0800 Message-ID: <11D743514607D011A15500805FEA3464A45DC6@xcgva001.grumman.com> From: "Meier, Christopher" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, "'Robert Johnston'" Subject: RE: Types of People wasRE: Ride Sunday & Other Nonsense Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 13:30:24 -0800 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Or a favorite of mine I saw on a list a few years back ... "You know, there are an awful lot of people in this world that confuse breathing in and out with living ..." Later, chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ > ---------- > From: Robert Johnston[SMTP:rjohns3@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, January 09, 1998 4:17 PM > To: 'O'Brien, Jeannette'; 'Gil M. Nissley'; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Types of People wasRE: Ride Sunday & Other Nonsense > > Yeah okay, works slow today... > > There is two types of people, those that are dead, and those that are > gonna be dead. -Or- "Every man dies, but many never live".. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 16:41:23 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA13434; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:41:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA27017; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:40:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from draco.eisi.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA14037; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:40:51 -0500 (EST) Received: by draco.eisi.com; id QAA07838; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:40:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from unknown(10.3.1.4) by draco.eisi.com via smap (3.2) id xma007802; Fri, 9 Jan 98 16:40:45 -0500 Received: by hrnexch1.eisi.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:41:03 -0500 Message-ID: <7F151D3C3920D111859A080009D806396E6C38@hrnexch1.eisi.com> From: "Whiteside, John" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:40:59 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Well, you never know... maybe they DO realize! -- John Whiteside > -----Original Message----- > From: O'Brien, Jeannette [SMTP:jlobrien@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, January 09, 1998 4:16 PM > To: 'Harry G. Greenspun, M.D.'; O'Brien, Jeannette > Cc: 'sbeck@XXXXXX'; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: > > Speaking of that, I find it rather amusing when I blow by a girl or > group of girls on my bike and they turn & stare hungrily at me, not > realizing I'm a GIRL on a bike, not some young hot biker stud!! > > - Jeannette > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 16:48:30 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA13579; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:48:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA27143; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:48:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA14272; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:48:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id PAA27980; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 15:47:22 -0600 (CST) Received: from imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid01.mcit.com [166.37.221.13]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA29355; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 15:47:22 -0600 (CST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19980109214722.VVIO215@[166.41.242.141]>; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 15:47:22 -0600 Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 16:38 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Wheelies X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980109214722.VVIO215@[166.41.242.141]> Harry Greenspun wrote: > There was a great thread on wheelies ages ago on rec.moto. Someone > I DO NOT RECOMMEND THEM. > However, my favorite is still the "Rear Wheel Smoke" which involves >standing up with feet on the pavement (while the bike is stopped, of >course), squeezing the front brake and spinning the rear wheel. The best >example of this was in the original "Mad Max" movie, where the bad guys >were making donuts then releasing the brake and flying off to terrorize >other innocents. > It is grossly irresponsible, intimidating to cagers, and tons of fun. You betcha'. For a quicky melt, try a little bleach under the tire ;-) For you miscreants who just can't wait to try this little trick, check this site out first: http://www.motorcycle.com/mo/mclaw/tirepop101.html Todd +-----------------------------+---------------+ | '91 ST1100 - Raven STeel | STOC #487 | | '92 CB750 - Carbon Beauty | HSTA #7615 | | '83 VT500 - Dark Shadow | AMA #542907 | +-----------------------------+---------------+ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 16:57:25 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA13755; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:57:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA27230; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:57:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from citi.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA14578; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:57:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from johnston.citi.com ([207.226.79.175]) by citi.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA24621; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:56:45 -0500 Received: by johnston.citi.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BD1D1F.E17254C0@XXXXXX>; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:58:59 -0500 Message-ID: <01BD1D1F.E17254C0@johnston.citi.com> From: Robert Johnston To: "'Chris Norloff'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Unrelated rant for the day...Re: Rude Cagers Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:58:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Chris, I didn't mean the original post as a defense of the Mutual Armed = Destruction Theory however: In this situation, which happened in Indiana, Pennsylvania, I used a = measured response to this person. He was behaving in a manner which any = rational person would have read as threatening towards me and my = property. There was no real exit form the situation for me which did = not leave my property in jeopardy. In the great sate of PA., the law = allows the use of non-lethal force to protect ones property from = criminal vandalism, which is damage in excess of $500.00. (It don't take = a lot of damage on my jeep to exceed 5 bills). =20 However the effects on the target of the pepper spray was significantly = less than I would want in a true life threatening situation. The guy = immediately stopped approaching me, clasped his hands to his face, was = unable to see clearly, and could not talk. However it didn't keep him = from staggering back to his car. By the time he had recovered, several = minutes, I had departed the area. My definition of immediate immobilization is instantaneously being = dropped to the ground and unable to move. In response to your John Wayne imitation: Never draw a firearm unless you intend to use it. Never intend to use a = firearm unless there is no alternative. Never shot at something unless = you mean to hit it. Never shot a person unless you mean to kill them; = i.e.=20 if I draw a gun, I will shot it. If I shot a gun, I will hit what I am = aiming at. If I'm shooting at an animal, I will kill it. If you have any hesitation in this equation, then you should not have = draw the weapon in the first place. -----Original Message----- From: Chris Norloff [SMTP:cnorloff@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, January 09, 1998 3:06 PM To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' Subject: Re: Unrelated rant for the day...Re: Rude Cagers At 02:10 PM 1/9/98 -0500, Robert W. Johnston wrote: >Now having pepper sprayed someone, I will say that it is not the >'immediate immobilization' that the non-lethal force proponents claim. >The guy did go away, but to those of you looking to a product like this >for personal protection, as opposed to pest repellent, my advise is to >move to Virginia and get a concealed carry permit. Nothing says No as >loud as a Colt. > >Just another lunatic out for a thrill, So you pull your Colt, and he pulls his 14-shot 9mm, and you pull your sawed-off, and he pulls his MAC-10, ... I just think this is a rapidly escalating, rapidly degenerating = situation. Remember the two dueling drivers on the GW Parkway? One died and two innocents died? The dead driver was a known aggressive driver with multiple reckless tickets; his girlfriend said he took out his = aggressions on the road. The surviving driver is in jail for about 10 years now, in the past he'd been charged with beating his wife, and he was illegally carrying a gun in his car when he wrecked. Do you really want to go up against nuts like this? Not me, life is too important to waste it on people like this. Chris Norloff P.S. The day I pulled out my 357 Magnum as a crazy raced up behind me in his car was the day I decided I want no part of trying to John Wayne it through life. Life is real, John Wayne wasn't. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 17:12:47 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA13989; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 17:12:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA27545; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 17:12:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp3.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA14910; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 17:12:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from squeakers.erols.com (frd-as2s30.erols.com [207.172.110.93]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA20990; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 17:14:28 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199801092214.RAA20990@smtp3.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. To: Robert Johnston Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 17:11:36 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: RE: Unrelated rant for the day...Re: Rude Cagers Reply-to: squeakers@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Priority: normal In-reply-to: <01BD1D1F.E17254C0@johnston.citi.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) > However the effects on the target of the pepper spray was >significantly less than I would want in a true life >threatening situation. The guy immediately stopped >approaching me, clasped his hands to > Im not too thrilled to hear about this. When I dont carry my .38, I DO carry my little cannister of 10% pepper foam. Now Im seeing that its NOT as wonderful as its supposed to be. Im wondering if its because it was the spray kind, as opposed to the foam. I even carry it on my bike for in case a large dog decides that me and my bike would be fun to play with. Now I dont even know if it will work on a DOG. Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 17:18:34 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA14082; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 17:18:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA27603; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 17:18:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA15049; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 17:18:16 -0500 (EST) From: WantA ZX6 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 17:16:27 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: wheelies Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) All this clutch talk....do y'all really need clutches to wheelie? The TL just pops up with a good crack of the throttle in 1st gear. Jack PS-see yall tomorrow!! I live about 2 miles from the Rite Aid on Rt1...hehehe From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 17:22:02 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA14152; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 17:22:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA27641; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 17:21:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA15107; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 17:21:52 -0500 (EST) From: WantA ZX6 Message-ID: <966e8be7.34b6a254@aol.com> Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 17:18:58 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Going riding Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) In a message dated 98-01-09 13:32:41 EST, you write: << Oh, sure, tease all of us stuck in our climate-controlled no-windows-that-open offices. -- John Whiteside >> Speaking of rubbing it in! At least you HAVE windows!!! Jack (stuck somewhere in the basement of the Pentagon) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 18:24:52 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA15052; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 18:24:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA29200; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 18:24:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp3.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA16542; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 18:24:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (spg-tnt6s191.erols.com [207.172.36.191]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA16587; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 18:26:22 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <34B6B549.AC81AAC2@geocities.com> Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 18:39:53 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jinn Sinn CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Rude Cagers References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Normally if I can avoid them in general I do and just chalk up another idiotic move to BDC's....But if they're getting close and the 132db horn does not dissuade them, I've been known on numerous occasions (yeah I go into the district daily) to plant a size 10 steel toed/shanked boot hard into the nearest body panel....(then I head for the nearest escape path and put some distance between me and them to avoid the aforementioned psychopaths)... And yes, nothing makes a statement like a COLT!!!! Collin Jinn Sinn wrote: > ok...this morning, riding to work on the parkway (Rock Creek) the lanes are > merging cause some idiot is blocking traffic in one lane. I'm in the left > lane, car in the right lane and slightly BEHIND me (so she DEFINATELY SAW > ME)......pulls about 3/4 of the way into my lane forcing me to go left into > the left-turn lane where fortunately there were no other cars....her window > was down, my visor was up and I yelled "Hey!" (wellll......I couldn't think of > anything else on the spur of the moment and my horn doesn't work....) her > response was to shrug and proceed to take up the remaining 1/4 of the > lane...........argh! > > marcy -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 19:11:21 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA15774; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 19:11:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA29446; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 19:11:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from iconmail.bellatlantic.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA17528; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 19:11:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from my-workstation (client196-127-115.bellatlantic.net [151.196.127.115]) by iconmail.bellatlantic.net (IConNet Sendmail) with SMTP id TAA13490 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 19:11:05 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980109190327.00c23138@postoffice.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: true911@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 19:03:27 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mark E. Truelove" Subject: need info on Sat. ride Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Okay, I know there's a coupla rides going on this weekend, but I haven't sorted through the discussions -- where and when tomorrow? Also, please remember that I'm coming from Baltimore -- I can get to general areas around DC, but I don't often know specific landmarks. Thanks! MET ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark E. Truelove (true@XXXXXX) http://www.clark.net/pub/pooh/ Polaris Technology Group http://www.angelfire.com/biz/polaristech/ Placement Specialists: SAP PeopleSoft Notes Fiber-Optics NT UNIX DBs ======================================================================= From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 19:11:23 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA15780; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 19:11:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA29450; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 19:11:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp3.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA17532; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 19:11:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (spg-tnt6s191.erols.com [207.172.36.191]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA27546 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 19:13:23 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <34B6C09C.E529F6D2@geocities.com> Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 19:28:12 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Wheelie theories!! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What's a wheelie??? he he he... In all fairness Brian, I rarely do clutch wheelies with the current geering on my 500+ pound front end heavy gixer... When it was stock geared, I couldn't get it to do a throttle blip wheelie for the life of me...A good one required a moderate amount of speed (30-40mph) clutch it, rev to 10k or so then dump it and hang on...Just as it starts to come down, quickly click into 2nd...then 3rd... I could usually keep it up through about 70 or so and for a good long ways followed by a smooth front setdown. I had a lot of dirt riding experience when I was young, so wheelies are second nature now!! I think to avoid your spinning problem Brian you need to get a little more speed up first...My rear is the same if I'm going too slow...Also when going slower, when the tire does bite you run the risk of going a little too far vertical (had some clenchers till I figured it out) Now that I've re-geared the bike, throttle blips occur just as you described them. However, each gear is significantly shorter now and much more difficult to maintain a nice long wheelie.... If ya'll wanna see a wheelie pic, just take a look at my website...There's a good one of me and another one of Doug Cramer (not on list) out at our secret stomping grounds (ok, not so secret anymore)..... Collin -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 19:14:37 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA15814; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 19:14:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA29478; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 19:14:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA17577; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 19:14:30 -0500 (EST) From: WantA ZX6 Message-ID: <5bfab4a9.34b6bcc1@aol.com> Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 19:11:44 EST To: suzuki-l@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Synthetics...once more time..sorry Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) FYI, the other night I switched to Mobil1 15W-50..full change including filter. Damn that drain plug was a bitch to get out! Anyway...I havent noticed much change (had to adjust the idle) but someone told me that I had to use motorcycle oil for my bike otherwise it would foam. Does Mobil1 come in bike formula or is the regular version acceptable? I swear this is the last time I will say the word "oil". Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 19:24:02 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA15905; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 19:24:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA29593; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 19:23:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp3.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA17723; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 19:23:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (spg-tnt6s191.erols.com [207.172.36.191]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA00525 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 19:25:59 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <34B6C3A6.9243780C@geocities.com> Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 19:41:10 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: pepper spray and other weapons Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hmm.....You must not be using the GOOD stuff... I've been sprayed twice (to be allowed to carry it during boardings, you have to have been sprayed) and it is not pleasant. I don't think any pepper spray is going to immobilize someone to the point of not moving; however, good stuff will bring you to your knees and you will be incapable of doing anything other than moaning in pain trying to get the stuff outa your eyes... Both types that I've met are comercially available, so if anyones interested I can look up the info on em... Speaking of concealed permits, thanks, I just noticed mine is due for renewal at the end of September this year... Next time any of ya'll are on a ride with me, ask to see my "mag light"...or so it appears at first glance....It's actually an ASP baton.... Collapsed it is about the size and shape of a mini mag light...With the flip of your wrist, it expands to a roughly 2' long steel rod with a ball tip....They are available on the open market relatively cheap. However, in a lot of states, they are subject to the same concealment laws as guns. Stun guns are another great option for personal defense. Gawd, those things hurt like hell....And the receiver WILL NOT be causing you any more problems...However, they require you to get a little closer to the bad guy (or girl..no discrimination here :) They are legal in most states, but there are a few of them that the Democratic pukes have invaded their will upon. (I'm sure I'll pay for that one...OFF LIST though please!!! 96 msgs today was a whopper) My all time favorite vehicle weapon, though, that is perfectly legal in all 50 states is a 6 cell mag light!!! You can whack the heck outa someone with one of those...and if ever asked why you have it by johhny law: So I can see to change a tire...(Baseball bats are illegal in many states..unless you're dressed for softball and have other gear with it!!) Ok, someone kick me...Two days in a row with long meaningless non-moto posts....at least this one isn't as geeky as the one yesterday!! Collin (wishing he could ride this weekend) -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 19:26:19 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA15926; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 19:26:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA29627; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 19:26:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA17765; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 19:26:02 -0500 (EST) From: WantA ZX6 Message-ID: <16ffb4a4.34b6bffe@aol.com> Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 19:25:33 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Weekend rides Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Just trying to get it straight: Saturday ride is from the Rite Aid on Rt1 (within spitting distance of my home) leaving at 11:30. Sunday ride is from Gaithersburg. Leaving at 12:45. These are correct, correct? Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 19:44:27 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA16113; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 19:44:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA29881; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 19:44:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from oak.eainet.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA18041; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 19:44:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from oak.eainet.com (oak.eainet.com [206.136.246.2]) by oak.eainet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA31440; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 19:44:16 -0500 Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 19:44:15 -0500 (EST) From: Peter Hartzler Reply-To: Peter Hartzler To: "Mark E. Truelove" cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: need info on Sat. ride In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980109190327.00c23138@postoffice.bellatlantic.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Mark -- Here is the info I have. Note that some have pointed out other ways to get to the start that might be better -- consult a map if you're unsure... Pete. DC-Cycles rides: ------------------------------------------------------------ Saturday January 10: Leader: "Louis F. Caplan" When: 11:30 AM Sharp. (People have later obligations, so the ride must not start later.) Where: Rite Aid across the street from the Beacon Hill Mall. From the beltway, take exit 1, Rt. 1 SOUTH. The Rite Aid is on your left at a traffic light (Beacon Hill Rd). Route: PARR Polar Bear route Jan 1 1996. It ends at the interchange of Rt. 123 and I 95 (by Occoquan). ------------------------------------------------------------ Sunday January 11: Leader: Stephen Harris When: "leave smartly at 12:45" Where: "Take I-270 to exit 9A which is for I-370 / Sam Eig Hwy. Exit, staying towards the right which will take you to I-370. In about a mile you'll exit off I-370 onto 355 North / Towards Gaithersburg Town Center. The exit ramp dumps you out on 355 north so its impossible to screw up. At the second traffic light (about one mile) take a right onto East Deer Park Rd. Take your second left (about 300 yards) onto Woodland Rd. My house is number 112, about a half mile down the road and after a stop sign. My home number is 301 990 6408 if you get lost for some reason." Route: "I will pick a route of my favorites, travel them in a sedate fashion, and whomever wishes to follow may. Be advise, I do all my racing on the track, so you will not find me exceeding the posted by more that 20% or so." ------------------------------------------------------------ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 20:35:45 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA16618; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 20:35:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA02853; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 20:35:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA18883; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 20:35:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from default ([12.68.78.91]) by mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA8204; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 01:34:35 +0000 Reply-To: "kevin thomas" From: "kevin thomas" To: "Meier, Christopher" , "'dc-cycles'" Subject: Re: Well, Raise 'em some more then ... Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 20:31:23 -0500 Message-ID: <01bd1d67$767bbe20$5b4e440c@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Chris-- See the Feb Car and Driver, which I just got today in the mail. Small changes in the death toll or death rate over a short time are relatively meaningless. For instance, Connecticut's death rate per hundred million miles from 1990 to 1997 are .04, .08, .07, .04, .03, .05, .04. That's without ever changing the speed limit. From one year to the next, the death rate doubled. Two years later, it halved. This is from Bedard's column on p24. It's quite interesting. 1996 was the first full year of state-controlled speed limits. Total deaths went up 90 over 1995. Death rates varied all over the map; some states rised limits, killed fewer, others left the limit alone, killed more, others were opposite. Anyway, worth reading the whole thing. Later Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 21:04:23 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA16813; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 21:04:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA03122; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 21:03:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA19210; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 21:03:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from default ([12.68.78.91]) by mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA27202; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 02:03:14 +0000 Reply-To: "kevin thomas" From: "kevin thomas" To: "Robert W. Johnston" , "Whiteside, John" Cc: Subject: Re: Unrelated rant for the day...Re: Rude Cagers Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 20:59:57 -0500 Message-ID: <01bd1d6b$7413c200$5b4e440c@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Robert-- Y'know, carrying that mace is just as illegal as me carrying my Glock. Yup, a concealed weapon. Can't do it. Not that it stops me. Later Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 21:18:04 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA16914; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 21:18:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA03597; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 21:16:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA19356; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 21:16:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from default ([12.68.78.91]) by mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA5965 for ; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 02:16:23 +0000 Reply-To: "kevin thomas" From: "kevin thomas" To: "dc-cycles" Subject: drat, foiled again!! (saturday ride) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 21:13:11 -0500 Message-ID: <01bd1d6d$4d6753e0$5b4e440c@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0050_01BD1D43.64914BE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0050_01BD1D43.64914BE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dammit! Dammit!! Dammit!!!!!!!!!! My alternator seems to have died. Cycles USA doesn't open until 10am. = No way I can fix it in time to go!!! I guess it's the dreaded VFR alternator-itis. It's my second 30000 mile = VFR, and my first alternator failure. Had to bump start it at the gas = station today, so I knew I was in trouble. Charged it at my friend's = house, headed home. Got near home, decided to stop at another friend's = shop. A couple of miles away, sitting at a light, revved the engine = while watching my headlight reflected in the car ahead. Didn't get = brighter. Knew I was in _big_ trouble. Turning into the road the shop = is on, turn signal wouldn't go, headlight was barely visible, tach = started jumping. Good thing I was almost there. I left the bike in his = shop, carried my battery home. It won't last long enough to ride = without an alternator. Maybe next weekend...... (yeah, right, in the snow) Have fun Kevin =20 He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. ------=_NextPart_000_0050_01BD1D43.64914BE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dammit!  Dammit!! =20 Dammit!!!!!!!!!!
 
My alternator seems to have died.  Cycles USA = doesn't=20 open until 10am.  No way I can fix it in time to go!!!
 
I guess it's the dreaded VFR=20 alternator-itis.  It's my second 30000 mile VFR, and my first = alternator=20 failure.  Had to bump start it at the gas station today, so I knew = I was in=20 trouble.  Charged it at my friend's house, headed home.  Got = near=20 home, decided to stop at another friend's shop.  A couple of miles = away,=20 sitting at a light, revved the engine while watching my headlight = reflected in=20 the car ahead.  Didn't get brighter.  Knew I was in _big_=20 trouble.  Turning into the road the shop is on, turn signal = wouldn't go,=20 headlight was barely visible, tach started jumping.  Good thing I = was=20 almost there.  I left the bike in his shop, carried my battery = home. =20 It won't last long enough to ride without an alternator.
 
Maybe next weekend......
(yeah, right, in the snow) 
 
Have fun
Kevin 
 
He who says it cannot be done should = not=20 interrupt him who is doing it.
------=_NextPart_000_0050_01BD1D43.64914BE0-- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 21:20:05 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA16934; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 21:20:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA03627; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 21:19:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from zip1.ziplink.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA19403; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 21:19:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (holm@localhost) by zip1.ziplink.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id VAA25653 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 21:20:53 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 21:20:53 -0500 (EST) From: Julie Holm To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 01/09/98 In-Reply-To: <199801100000.TAA29354@tove.cs.umd.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Either Todd or Lewis said: > Though it sounds insignificant as protection, even a long sleeve > shirt is better than nothing at all. I crashed at around 25mph > with nothing more than a t-shirt and cotton jacket. The jacket > took all the abrasion in the shoulder and was un-wearable afterword. > > Just wondering what my shoulder would've looked like without the > little protection I had on... > > But your point is well taken. Protection is only good if it is > worn when you go down the tarmac. And, I'll admit it, on REALLY > hot days, I usually do remove the jacket....and pray! > I wear the jacket. Even on really hot days. Gotta, I have a safety weenie reputation to protect. That's why I got one with really good vents in it. AND: Christoper Meyerwrote: > > Interesting Article from Today's Washington Post Metro Section pg. B3 > > State Highway Deaths Hit 33-Year Low > > > However, the preliminary count may change by the time final fatality > figures are tabulated this month. > > The 1997 count follows a downward trend of recent years. The state's > highway death count peaked in 1968 with 872. In 1996, 615 people died. > > Mitchell said state police vigilantly pursued aggressive and reckless > drivers last year, issuing more than 144,000 aggressive driving > citations in the first 11 months of 1997. > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > Interesting news given that the speed limits were _raised_ in MD this > year. I would assume this drop to be due to safety improvements in > vehicles, not enforcement. Comments? > Yup, but they really did crack down on aggressive driving, the weavers through traffic, the really high speeders, the red light runners in MD, VA and DC this year. I read about it. Speed, by itself does not kill. You have to hit someone to have a problem. Look at the German Autobahn. They do not have many accidents, even with the speed, because folks drive in a sane manner, and following the rules of the road, passing only on the left, moving into the right when they are slower. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Julie Holm (ENTP)| DoD #1604 AMA#397939 UKMC# 0001 VOC# 4672 holm@XXXXXX | 1985 Virago 700 "Maureen" | I'm home at http://www.ziplink.net/~holm NGG Webmistress | Remember the PINK PAGES are always changing (Just and Armourer | like a Nasty Girlie's mind!) | NGG home page http://www.ziplink.net/~holm/ngg/ngg.html --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 22:37:54 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA17630; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 22:37:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA04981; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 22:37:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp2.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA20250; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 22:37:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from squeakers.erols.com (frd-as2s30.erols.com [207.172.110.93]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA29541; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 22:37:01 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199801100337.WAA29541@smtp2.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. To: klthomas@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 22:36:15 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Unrelated rant for the day...Re: Rude Cagers Reply-to: squeakers@XXXXXX CC: Priority: normal In-reply-to: <01bd1d6b$7413c200$5b4e440c@default> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) > Robert-- > > Y'know, carrying that mace is just as illegal as me carrying my Glock. Yup, > a concealed weapon. Can't do it. Not that it stops me. > > Later > Kevin > > WAIT a second!! I learned in my concealed weapons class that pepper spray IS legal to carry. Even in your pocket! WITHOUT a permit. Is this just in Virginia? Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 22:48:15 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA17687; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 22:48:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA05052; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 22:47:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA20352; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 22:47:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.100] (unverified [207.226.128.100]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Fri, 09 Jan 1998 22:52:46 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Chrome, wonderful chrome... Date: Fri, 9 Jan 98 22:47:35 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Adams, Bill" , "dc-cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >I want to restore some of the (poorly finished) parts (headlight bucket & >brackets specifically) whilst de-gutting the Old-wing. Thanks a ton. Strip it and powder coat it or paint it. I don't have time to polish that crap:) -George From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 22:48:16 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA17691; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 22:48:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA05048; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 22:47:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA20348; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 22:47:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.100] (unverified [207.226.128.100]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Fri, 09 Jan 1998 22:52:43 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Riding with a Passenger Date: Fri, 9 Jan 98 22:47:32 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Slawson, Kurt" , "dc-cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > Anyone out there have any advice on learning how to ride with a >passenger? I've been riding a very short time (i.e., less than a month; >I took the MSF course in late Nov.), and while my confidence has >increased with every ride, I'm far from being ready to take a passenger. >I'm just wondering about the experiences of other people in learning how >to ride with a passenger. I started with a passenger the same way I started solo: SLOW. On familiar roads. VERY short trips. After putting 2000 miles on the bike and on myself. By now, I've probably put on 50% of my miles two up. While the front end can get a bit wiggly, the rear brake will work quite well:) And do not, under any circumstances, forget to adjust your preload. ``` (o o) *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| *--------------------------oooO------------* |__||__| || || ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 22:48:16 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA17689; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 22:48:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA05060; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 22:47:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA20360; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 22:47:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.100] (unverified [207.226.128.100]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Fri, 09 Jan 1998 22:52:52 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Ride Sunday (?) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 98 22:47:40 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Leon Begeman" , "Gil M. Nissley" cc: "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Put me on the list with George and Jeannette. I like riding in the >rain, I like riding in the snow, I like riding in hail, but I prefer >riding when the weather is good. The other day, everybody said "You must love to be able to ride in January". I said "I was already riding in January. This weather is just the icing on the cake." Tomorrow, off to get my Belstaff pants at Coleman. Seems nobody bought them, so they're sending 'em back. Pity. They work quite well... ``` (o o) *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| *--------------------------oooO------------* |__||__| || || ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 22:48:16 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA17690; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 22:48:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA05055; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 22:47:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA20356; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 22:47:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.100] (unverified [207.226.128.100]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Fri, 09 Jan 1998 22:52:48 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Riding with a Passenger Date: Fri, 9 Jan 98 22:47:37 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Chris Norloff" , "dc-cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Ride around a big parking lot for a little while to see how comfortable the >passenger is, and how well they sit still. Forgot about this one. It is a big help. It also gives you a chance to practice signals for getting on, getting off, etc.... At first, my girlfriend couldn't stand the bike for more than ten minutes. Now she is ready for a trip to Key West in the Spring... -George From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 22:59:07 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA17782; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 22:59:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA05263; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 22:58:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from norway.it.earthlink.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA20497; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 22:58:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from [153.34.245.7] (1Cust7.tnt2.tco2.da.uu.net [153.34.245.7]) by norway.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA00787 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 19:58:18 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: level_5_ltd@XXXXXX Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <9801098843.AA884351194@smtplink.micros.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 23:00:21 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Alan Lapp Subject: Re: lost mail.. > clinic though... And mostly on the Nice coast (umm, that would NOT be > the east coast) > I thought Nice was in the south of France.... Al level_5_ltd@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 23:21:26 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA17936; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 23:21:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA05414; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 23:20:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA20753; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 23:20:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id XAA23051; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 23:20:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (nmta2.mcit.com [166.37.172.3]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id XAA32698; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 23:20:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.111.181]) by nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19980110042013.LMTR6587@[166.41.111.181]>; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 23:20:13 -0500 Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 23:11 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: Julie Holm CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 01/09/98 X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980110042013.LMTR6587@[166.41.111.181]> Julie Holm conveys: >Yup, but they really did crack down on aggressive driving, the weavers >through traffic, the really high speeders, the red light runners in MD, VA >and DC this year. I read about it. Speed, by itself does not kill. You >have to hit someone to have a problem. Look at the German Autobahn. They >do not have many accidents, even with the speed, because folks drive in a >sane manner, and following the rules of the road, passing only on the >left, moving into the right when they are slower. Ahh, reason. There is a lot I do not like about socialistic Germany, but they do recognize human nature, and their autobahns reflect it. God..Don't get me started! Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 23:24:12 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA17957; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 23:24:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA05430; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 23:23:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA20778; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 23:23:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id WAA18643 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 22:23:05 -0600 (CST) Received: from imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid01.mcit.com [166.37.221.13]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id WAA19116 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 22:23:04 -0600 (CST) Received: from LJTanner.mcit.com ([166.41.110.140]) by imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19980110042258.WKID215@XXXXXX> for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 22:22:58 -0600 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 21:22:53 -0500 Message-ID: <01BD1D44.BF113700.linda.tanner@mci.com> From: Linda Tanner To: "Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: FW: Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 21:22:52 -0500 Organization: MCI Telecommunications X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (sorry about the dups) I know why I got my bike and it didn't have anything to do with getting anyone to take off their clothes. Does your wife know about this? ;-) LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze or is this another code word? -----Original Message----- From: Harry G. Greenspun, M.D. [SMTP:hgg@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, January 09, 1998 4:17 PM To: O'Brien, Jeannette Cc: 'sbeck@XXXXXX'; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: At 03:59 PM 1/9/98 -0500, O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: >Right on!! Now that's what I would've done!! > >- Jeannette > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sbeck@XXXXXX [SMTP:sbeck@XXXXXX] >> I wonder if she would have complied if you told her to either put the >> jacket back on, or walk home. >> > This is really sad. Trying to get a date to put more clothes on. Have we forgotten why we got bikes in the first place?!? Harry Bethesda, MD '97 BMW R1100RT http://www.greenspun.com/harry/bikes.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 23:24:43 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA17964; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 23:24:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA05434; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 23:24:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA20788; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 23:24:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id WAA18689 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 22:23:34 -0600 (CST) Received: from imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid01.mcit.com [166.37.221.13]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id XAA05896 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 23:23:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from LJTanner.mcit.com ([166.41.110.140]) by imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19980110042332.WKIG215@XXXXXX> for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 22:23:32 -0600 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 21:23:24 -0500 Message-ID: <01BD1D44.D1BABDE0.linda.tanner@mci.com> From: Linda Tanner To: "Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: FW: Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 21:23:24 -0500 Organization: MCI Telecommunications X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (sorry about the dups) One of greatest fantasies is to hear the thoughts of some young stud as I blow by him (and his 'hot' car). I want him to know a middle aged woman on a very hot bike just blew his doors off. It would be very satisfying. LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze -----Original Message----- From: O'Brien, Jeannette [SMTP:jlobrien@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, January 09, 1998 4:16 PM To: 'Harry G. Greenspun, M.D.'; O'Brien, Jeannette Cc: 'sbeck@XXXXXX'; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Speaking of that, I find it rather amusing when I blow by a girl or group of girls on my bike and they turn & stare hungrily at me, not realizing I'm a GIRL on a bike, not some young hot biker stud!! - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Harry G. Greenspun, M.D. [SMTP:hgg@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, January 09, 1998 4:17 PM > To: O'Brien, Jeannette > Cc: 'sbeck@XXXXXX'; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: > > At 03:59 PM 1/9/98 -0500, O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: > >Right on!! Now that's what I would've done!! > > > >- Jeannette > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: sbeck@XXXXXX [SMTP:sbeck@XXXXXX] > >> I wonder if she would have complied if you told her to either put > the > >> jacket back on, or walk home. > >> > > > > This is really sad. Trying to get a date to put more clothes on. > Have we > forgotten why we got bikes in the first place?!? > > Harry > Bethesda, MD > '97 BMW R1100RT > http://www.greenspun.com/harry/bikes.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 23:26:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA17978; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 23:26:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA05461; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 23:25:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA20826; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 23:25:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id XAA23791; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 23:25:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid01.mcit.com [166.37.221.13]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id XAA23163; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 23:25:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.111.181]) by imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19980110042524.WKIM215@[166.41.111.181]>; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 22:25:24 -0600 Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 23:14 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: George Howell CC: "Adams, Bill" , "dc-cycles" Subject: Re: Chrome, wonderful chrome... X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980110042524.WKIM215@[166.41.111.181]> Which is why BMW can get away with single plate for chrome. Who has the time!? Oy! Todd >I want to restore some of the (poorly finished) parts (headlight bucket & >brackets specifically) whilst de-gutting the Old-wing. Thanks a ton. Strip it and powder coat it or paint it. I don't have time to polish that crap:) -George From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 23:45:45 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA18136; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 23:45:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA05636; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 23:45:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.clark.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA21059; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 23:44:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from explorer.clark.net (louis@XXXXXX [168.143.0.7]) by mail.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA28927 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 23:44:57 -0500 (EST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Received: (from louis@localhost) by explorer.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA25399 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 23:44:55 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199801100444.XAA25399@explorer.clark.net> Subject: RE: Riding with a passenger/safety gear To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 23:44:55 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24alpha3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I actually thought of that, but we were somewhere near the West Virginia line. And Kelly is the type of person who might have taken off and thumbed a ride or something. Call me a sucker, but since I took her out that far, I felt it was at least my responsibility to take her back. If I had to do it all over again, I would have asked the Road Captain where we were, and how to get back to someplace I knew from there. Then just ride home. At the time I didn't want to make a bigger scene. But I did learn, if I'm uncomfortable with the passenger, it's not going to be a good ride, so just end it. Louis > Right on!! Now that's what I would've done!! > > - Jeannette > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sbeck@XXXXXX [SMTP:sbeck@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Friday, January 09, 1998 2:57 PM > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: > > > After the ride, Kelly told me she didn't like the way I tried to push > > > her to wear her jacket and she didn't think she would ride with me > > > anymore. At that point that was fine with me. (had some other > > > problems > > > too) > > > > I wonder if she would have complied if you told her to either put the > > jacket back on, or walk home. > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 23:45:45 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA18137; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 23:45:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA05640; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 23:45:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA21065; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 23:45:00 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA08019; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 23:40:48 -0500 Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 23:29:13 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Riding with a Passenger To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <98Jan9.101401est.19594@GKCATL01.kilcody.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Lots of good advice has been posted so I'll just add two points. When you start riding passengers,pick people who are smaller than you,it makes it much easier to control the bike when you have the greater mass.I rode my dad on the back once;he was 220,I was 150. It got real tricky at low speed. Second,it helps if the bike you're using has a low center of gravity and a pillion that's not too high/rearward.My FT Ascot was easiy to ride passengers on,my CBR9 was not. Oh,and don't ride a passenger on the back of an S1. ;-) The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 23:56:00 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA18198; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 23:55:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA05738; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 23:55:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA21130; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 23:55:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (spg-tnt6s191.erols.com [207.172.36.191]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA02655; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 23:56:36 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <34B70515.467DBD40@geocities.com> Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 00:20:22 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: squeakers@XXXXXX CC: klthomas@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Unrelated rant for the day...Re: Rude Cagers References: <199801100337.WAA29541@smtp2.erols.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit No, Squekers, you are correct.... Pepper sprays are legal. There are a few of the sprays that the general public cannot attain due to the percentage of nerve gas added. (Mace started in the nerve gas area...once pepper sprays became popular, they've branched into this area as well) I haven't checked this state yet, but I've never been to one that required a concealed permit for any commercially available sprays....This primarily for the simple fact that they are not life threatening, and in general, are not harmful in any way (damn irratating, but no permanent harm...yeah, yeah, there may be the .001% that have an alergic reaction, but you could say that about most consumer products) I particularly like the keychain models...They are very handy for those late night poorly lit parking lots that just beg the bad guys to attack lone people... CT Squeakers wrote: > > Robert-- > > > > Y'know, carrying that mace is just as illegal as me carrying my Glock. Yup, > > a concealed weapon. Can't do it. Not that it stops me. > > > > Later > > Kevin > > > > > > WAIT a second!! I learned in my concealed weapons class > that pepper spray IS legal to carry. Even in your pocket! > WITHOUT a permit. Is this just in Virginia? > > Squeakers -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 23:57:56 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA18216; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 23:57:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA05759; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 23:57:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA21165; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 23:57:21 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA08126; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 23:53:10 -0500 Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 23:50:30 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Fun Fun! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <85256587.00659DB6.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 9 Jan 1998 sbeck@XXXXXX wrote: > Yes they were definitely secret codes. Here are some generic examples of > such codes. (snip) All right pal,you're busted! Turn in your ring and your tie-tack! And don't try to tell us she was from the Knights of Columbus. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 10 00:08:51 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA18788; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 00:08:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA06613; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 00:08:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA21315; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 00:08:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (spg-tnt6s191.erols.com [207.172.36.191]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA06071; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 00:09:24 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <34B7082B.A9188AF7@geocities.com> Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 00:33:32 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Todd Peer CC: Jinn Sinn , louis@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ride on Saturday References: <19980109162417.TJXL28757@[166.41.242.141]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ummm, I think she's talking 395, which you can get onto right near the Pentagon seeing as how I do it from 110 south every morning...or from the GW parkway If you're coming from the DC side Marcy, take the exit for National Airport...That's route 1.. However, Todd's alternate directions will probably be faster...Going all the way down route 1 will take you through crystal city and worse, Old Town....which I'm guessing is just as bad traffic wise on a Sat morning as any other time of day or night! The parkway will avoid all that congestion and zip you on down to where ya wanna go. Todd Peer wrote: > Well, first off you can't get on the beltway near the Pentagon. > > > Todd > > From: Jinn Sinn > Message-ID: > Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 00:57:58 EST > To: louis@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Ride on Saturday > Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) > > >From my house in DC I get on the beltway right about at the Pentagon (going > toward VA and National airport) ... am I going to miss the exit 1??? > > If i can find it....I'll be there..... > > In a message dated 98-01-08 18:21:15 EST, louis@XXXXXX writes: > > << What was the Dixie Pig is now a Rite Aid. It's across the street from > the Beacon Hill Mall. From the beltway, take exit 1, Rt. 1 SOUTH. > The Rite Aid is on your left at a traffic light (Beacon Hill Rd) > > I'll be in the parking lot about 11:00 am. >> -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 10 00:26:22 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA19052; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 00:26:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA07014; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 00:25:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA21444; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 00:25:41 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA08466; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 00:21:27 -0500 Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 00:17:06 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Sender: "Gil M. Nissley" Reply-To: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Wheelie Theories... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <9801098843.AA884368528@smtplink.micros.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Hey guys,if you're going to talk about wheelies don't you think it would be a good idea to mention the most important thing about doing a wheelie:*COVER THE REAR BRAKE*. Bringing the front end of a 400+lb street bike,at road speeds, w/out the rear brake is a good way to crash and/or screw up your front end. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 10 00:44:04 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA19204; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 00:44:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA07216; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 00:43:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from norway.it.earthlink.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA21648; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 00:43:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from [153.34.245.7] (1Cust98.tnt6.tco2.da.uu.net [153.37.3.98]) by norway.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA17817 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 21:43:21 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: level_5_ltd@XXXXXX Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <34B61CA2.486FE1F9@illuminet.net> References: <50aadd26.34b558b2@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 23:31:45 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Alan Lapp Subject: Re: Ride Sunday (?)..coast racing >Things that make it dangerous. >The rider: it was mentioned earlier that bikes with different amounts of >power take different lines through corners on races. This is a function >that the rider can control. This is no different than a race around any >track in the country except that acceleration due to engine power = 0. > >The above is an opinion. I don't have the facts either. That's OK Leon. I don't have any facts either, just observations of the physical world. One of the reasons a racer of a more powerful bike takes a diferent line (squared-off) is that the skilled riders can get the rear wheel spinning mid-corner so that the engine is in it's power peak as the bike is lifted out of the corner, resulting in better drive. Technically, the line is slower mid-corner, but the benefit in drive offsets the deficit in cornering speed. As far as coast racing, the bike with the least parasitic drag will win. Weight only comes into play when considering momentum, which is invoked by a *change* in speed i.e. acceleration. The bikes may have diferent rates of acceleration, but maximum velocity will be identical given identical drag characteristics. Al level_5_ltd@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 10 00:44:04 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA19205; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 00:44:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA07204; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 00:43:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from norway.it.earthlink.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA21644; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 00:43:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from [153.34.245.7] (1Cust98.tnt6.tco2.da.uu.net [153.37.3.98]) by norway.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA17802 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 21:43:18 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: level_5_ltd@XXXXXX Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D34F43A@badge.tuckerflyer.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 00:45:20 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Alan Lapp Subject: Tales of Horrible Death and Dismemberment >I always hear "I'd NEVER ride one of those." or "BE CAREFUL!!" (this >warning is usually said at least 3 times as I'm walking to my bike." >I've also heard MANY times from people who've NEVER ridden: "There's 2 >types of bikers, those who've gone down & those who will." AND!!?? SO >WHAT!!?? Should that keep me from my passion? > >- J A friend of mine invited The Family Unit to Summit for an unofficial 'Family Day' at the track. His Mom and Sis are cool: very helpful & pleasant, even taking lap times for us. His Dad, however, is a personal injury attorney, and I consider him a professional worrier. My bud bet me $10 that his Dad would tell me the 'Ball on the Handlebar' story within 10 minutes of meeting him. He won. Turns out that Dad represented a guy who lost a testicle durring an accident. The funny thing is that Dad couldn't even tell me what kind of gear his client was wearing when I asked. I'll bet the guy was wearing shorts and flip-flops. Anyway, Dad was completely freaked by the whole scene, and started spouting off about how dangerous motorcycles were, and how racing a motorcycle is insanity much like (and I quote) bungee jumping without the bungee. At this point, the diplomatic nerd in me kicked in, and I told him that the probablility of death in such a circumstance is absolutely 1, but the probability of death from a racing injury was closer to zero. I pointed out that there are thousands of racers participating in literally dozens of events every weekend all across the country, and there are only a small handful of deaths per year, statistically proving that racing is safer than horseback riding or skiing (a point proven recently). Logic didn't work. I had to walk away. The real drag is that he hung around our pit for quite a while spouting negative bullsh!t. Finally, my bud went off on him and told him that he was bumming everyone out. In retrospect, I should have told him that he was currently engaged in a terribly dangerous activity: he was *really* pissing me off! Al level_5_ltd@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 10 00:45:43 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA19237; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 00:45:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA07332; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 00:45:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from norway.it.earthlink.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA21662; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 00:45:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from [153.34.245.7] (1Cust98.tnt6.tco2.da.uu.net [153.37.3.98]) by norway.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA18491 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 21:44:59 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: level_5_ltd@XXXXXX Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <98Jan9.101401est.19594@GKCATL01.kilcody.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 00:47:01 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Alan Lapp Subject: Re: Riding with a Passenger > Anyone out there have any advice on learning how to ride with a >passenger? I've been riding a very short time (i.e., less than a month; >I took the MSF course in late Nov.), and while my confidence has >increased with every ride, I'm far from being ready to take a passenger. >I'm just wondering about the experiences of other people in learning how >to ride with a passenger. I've always found that with a *good* passenger, you don't even know they are there. There are 3 things I tell every new passenger on my bike: 1: Feet never leave the pegs until the motor is off. 2: If you feel insecure on the bike, squeeze with your legs. 3: Always Always Always look over my inside shoulder, which means if I'm turning right, look over my right shoulder. Number 2 has the added benefit of giving you, the rider, some feedback about the passengers comfort level. Obligatory horror stories: A punk friend of mine needed a ride to pick up his car. He thought it would be funny to put his foot down in the middle of a corner, like he did on his dirt bike. Stood us up, and headed us directly towards a ditch. I restrained myself from smacking him silly. The ubiquitous 'Wrong Way' passenger: they lean out of the turn, causing the bike to stand up, so I have to lean over harder, so they lean up further, I lean harder, ad infinitum until I have a talk with them and reiterate point #3. The interesting thing is that if they use point #2, they *can't* get too far off balance. If your passenger (or you as a rider) is having trouble leaning, suggest that they tip their head so it stays even with the horizon at all times: this really promotes a sense of composure while leaning. Al level_5_ltd@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 10 00:48:38 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA19257; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 00:48:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA07855; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 00:47:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA21688; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 00:47:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA08542; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 00:43:35 -0500 Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 00:41:22 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: RE: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D37EB8A@badge.tuckerflyer.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 9 Jan 1998, O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: > Speaking of that, I find it rather amusing when I blow by a girl or > group of girls on my bike and they turn & stare hungrily at me, not > realizing I'm a GIRL on a bike, not some young hot biker stud!! Maybe your jacket needs some more padding.Ever hear of the Miracle Jacket? ;-} The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 10 00:53:50 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA19315; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 00:53:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA08833; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 00:53:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from norway.it.earthlink.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA21731; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 00:53:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from [153.34.245.7] (1Cust98.tnt6.tco2.da.uu.net [153.37.3.98]) by norway.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA21854 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 21:53:04 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: level_5_ltd@XXXXXX Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <9801098843.AA884368528@smtplink.micros.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 00:52:47 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Alan Lapp Subject: Re: Wheelie Theories... > air theory (al-la Collin.. kidding :) when you start the bike rolling, > grab the clutch, go WFO on the throttle and drop the clutch. Not my > personal favorite - I did this on a dirt bike - I'm glad grass is > soft, and the bike was light - I was on my back in seconds. Trust me, the same thing can and will happen on a street bike. My suggestion is that you start at a moderate RPM (like 4000) and train yourself to hold the throttle open until the bike quits accelerating. When you're comfortable with that RPM, increase it by 500 and repeat as necessary. The > second is more technique - in this case you ride to about 7k, chop the > throttle off and back on as the front springs rebound while pulling up > on the handlebars - the wheelies are less sudden, and generally easier > to control. You can also slip the clutch a bit to get the engine spinning faster. Tough on the ole' clutch tho. The faster the bike is rolling, the more HP required, but it's less intimidating. > > Maybe the best learning tool would be a thumper - tons-o-torque and > light (usually) to boot..... Smaller thumper dirt bikes such as XT/XL/XR 350 rock for learning to wheelie. Plus, they're more durable, and cheaper to repair. Also, dirt bikes have a higher center of gravity, making them inherently easier to wheelie. THE BIG TIP ABOUT LEARNING TO DO WHEELIES: Always cover the rear brake! This is the ***only*** way to save it if you start to go over backwards. Al level_5_ltd@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 10 01:01:34 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA19450; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 01:01:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA09546; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 01:01:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA21843; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 01:00:58 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA08607; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 00:56:46 -0500 Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 00:44:25 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Unrelated rant for the day...Re: Rude Cagers To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <34B695BE.32EE9424@mci.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 9 Jan 1998, Dale Horstman wrote: > Right, why waste the time to bother with them? See, I *know* I > could kick their asses if I wanted to, so therefore I don't *have* to. Very good,Grasshopper.A true master knows when to use force. Seriously,I've heard/seen some real wackos around here.I wouldn't want to mess with anyone without a SWAT team for backup.A friend of mine called the cops once on his CB radio when he saw a biker getting chased by a pickup on the beltway.It's bad enough dancing with cages, I don't want to play bumper tag. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 10 01:05:29 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA19493; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 01:05:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA09659; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 01:04:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA21898; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 01:04:51 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id BAA08813; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 01:00:39 -0500 Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 00:58:42 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: FW: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <01BD1D44.BF113700.linda.tanner@mci.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 9 Jan 1998, Linda Tanner wrote: > I know why I got my bike and it didn't have anything to do with > getting anyone to take off their clothes. Does your wife know about this? Maybe that's how he got his wife. ;-) The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 10 01:14:06 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA19556; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 01:14:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA09748; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 01:13:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA21972; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 01:13:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.131] (unverified [207.226.128.131]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 01:18:35 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Wheelies Date: Sat, 10 Jan 98 01:13:23 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > It is grossly irresponsible, intimidating to cagers, and tons of fun. >You can practice it on a wet road. Good clutch and throttle control are >key, as is extra downward pressure on the bars. An unlimited tire and >maintenance budget helps, too. Hey, the tire on my 850 is due for replacement as soon as I get the dosh... Maybe when I get home from the ride Sunday.... (BTW, anybody have recommendations for a sport touring tire for the BMW? Size eludes me right now...) ``` (o o) *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| *--------------------------oooO------------* |__||__| || || ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 10 01:14:07 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA19557; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 01:14:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA09744; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 01:13:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA21967; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 01:13:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.131] (unverified [207.226.128.131]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 01:18:32 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: RE: Fun Fun! Date: Sat, 10 Jan 98 01:13:20 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" cc: "\"'dc-cycles'\" " Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Uh oh, we have another flirt on the list!! Send email to aorlando@XXXXXX and thank her for preventing another flirt from popping up;) (A redhead who loves bikes. God does indeed have a sense of humor when it comes to me...) ``` (o o) *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| *--------------------------oooO------------* |__||__| || || ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 10 01:14:31 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA19573; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 01:14:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA09812; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 01:13:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA21987; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 01:13:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from default ([12.68.76.191]) by mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA18249; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 06:13:20 +0000 Reply-To: "kevin thomas" From: "kevin thomas" To: Cc: Subject: Re: Unrelated rant for the day...Re: Rude Cagers Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 01:10:00 -0500 Message-ID: <01bd1d8e$639c6f80$bf4c440c@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Well, maybe that was just in NC. I dunno, I just figure if I'd want to do it, it must be illegal, whatever it is.......... Later Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 10 01:24:01 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA19700; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 01:24:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA10286; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 01:23:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailsorter-105.bryant.webtv.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA22087; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 01:23:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailtod-141.iap.bryant.webtv.net (mailtod-141.iap.bryant.webtv.net [207.79.35.128]) by mailsorter-105.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.5/ms.gso.08Dec97) with ESMTP id WAA07436; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 22:19:04 -0800 (PST) Received: (from production@localhost) by mailtod-141.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.5/mt.gso.08Dec97) id WAA07140; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 22:19:04 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199801100619.WAA07140@mailtod-141.iap.bryant.webtv.net> From: RichDe@XXXXXX (Rich DeYoung) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 00:19:04 -0600 To: Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX (Todd Peer) Cc: Loupil@XXXXXX ('Loupil'), philipa@XXXXXX (Akers, Philip), allmine@XXXXXX (allmine), anniem@XXXXXX (annie mundy), Audrey.Wiegard@XXXXXX (Audrey.Wiegard), baldwin2@XXXXXX (baldwin2), baldwin2@XXXXXX (baldwin2), saturnsr1@XXXXXX (baretta), bartp@XXXXXX (bartp), remenick@XXXXXX (Berri Reminick), BikerSid@XXXXXX (BikerSid), syswsb@XXXXXX ('bill in richmond'), billsch@XXXXXX (Bill Schmidt), bill.maggs@XXXXXX (bill.maggs), blase.morgan@XXXXXX, bmonaco@XXXXXX (bmonaco), tobias@XXXXXX (Bob Tobias), bmccoy@XXXXXX (Brian Mccoy), bruce_hardy@XXXXXX (bruce_hardy), bdouglas@XXXXXX ('Bryan T. 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Douglas), pwwisnes@XXXXXX (Paul W. Wisneskey), pdenno@XXXXXX (pdenno), Pcoleman@XXXXXX (Perry D. Coleman), penneyps@XXXXXX (peter soukup), PRogers.dit@XXXXXX (PRogers.dit), 74537.1737@XXXXXX (Randy Chartier), Randy.Chartier@XXXXXX, remenick@XXXXXX (remenick), RFRAER@XXXXXX, darden@XXXXXX (Robert M Darden), robertst@XXXXXX (robertst), r_k_dow@XXXXXX (r_k_dow), spak@XXXXXX (sae pak), Sandra.Gladysz@XXXXXX (Sandra.Gladysz), scotje@XXXXXX (scotje), slarrab@XXXXXX, SRFox@XXXXXX (SRFox), steeleg@XXXXXX (Steele Gordon), askstephen@XXXXXX (Stephan Lee), 103126.2533@XXXXXX (STEPHEN R. LOHMAN), sbeck@XXXXXX (sbeck@XXXXXX), steveb@XXXXXX (steveb), STEVE_JOHNSON@XXXXXX (STEVE_JOHNSON), tbgliz@XXXXXX (tbgliz), tbgrogha@XXXXXX (tbgrogha), terpstra@XXXXXX (terpstra), higdont@XXXXXX (Higdon, SFC Thomas), botcher@XXXXXX (tod r. botcher), Tracy-Minter@XXXXXX (Tracy Minter), venture.royale@XXXXXX (venture.royale), VZO1@XXXXXX (Osidach, Vera Z.), vzo1@XXXXXX (vzo1), wrohara@XXXXXX (w.r. ohara), wef@XXXXXX (wef), wjm1@XXXXXX (McLoone, William J.), dc-cycles@XXXXXX (dc-cycles) Subject: Re: HSTA STAR98 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Greetings from Oklahoma. If you guys/gals want, you could park the truck at our place in Choctaw, just east of Oklahoma City, camp out in our back yard, and then make the push to Taos, I might even be able to go with.... Rich D RichDe@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 10 01:25:43 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA19716; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 01:25:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA10348; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 01:25:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA22119; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 01:25:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.131] (unverified [207.226.128.131]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 01:30:20 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Re: RE: Fun Fun! Date: Sat, 10 Jan 98 01:25:09 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "MotorLE" , , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >I "accidently" learned to wheelie on my 450 pound BMW. BMWs are girls bikes, >aren't they? Bite your tongue!! Harry and I might object to that statement. Beemer's are old, stodgy men's bikes. Everybody knows that (and they also apply to people susceptible to leg cramps, overweight, hate lubing chains, like twins, hate cleaning chrome, etc, etc, etc, etc....) What kinda Beemer? ``` (o o) *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| *--------------------------oooO------------* |__||__| || || ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 10 01:25:43 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA19717; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 01:25:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA10352; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 01:25:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA22123; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 01:25:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.131] (unverified [207.226.128.131]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 01:30:22 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Rude Cagers Date: Sat, 10 Jan 98 01:25:11 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Jinn Sinn" cc: "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" I almost got hit twice today, and I was in a CAGE!! Were it not for time on the bike, I probably wouldn't have even noticed until it was too late... -George From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 10 01:25:45 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA19724; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 01:25:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA10356; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 01:25:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA22127; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 01:25:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.131] (unverified [207.226.128.131]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 01:30:24 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: RE: Going riding Date: Sat, 10 Jan 98 01:25:12 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Viteri, Ursulina" , "'Harry G. Greenspun, M.D.'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Harry must be a specialist. We all know PCP's have to work on Fridays:) >Geez, do you have to rub it in?! : - ) > >Ursulina Viteri >202-416-6534 * Fax 202-223-9095 >AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. - Washington, DC > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Harry G. Greenspun, M.D. [SMTP:hgg@XXXXXX] >>Sent: Friday, January 09, 1998 9:23 AM >>To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >>Subject: Going riding >> >>Well, >> It's 60 degrees and sunny right now, so I'm hitting the road soon. >>Anybody else going out in the next hour? >> >> >>Harry >>Bethesda, MD >>'97 BMW R1100RT >>http://www.greenspun.com/harry/bikes.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 10 01:27:55 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA19752; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 01:27:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA10393; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 01:27:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA22150; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 01:27:19 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id BAA08926; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 01:23:07 -0500 Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 01:08:48 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Unrelated rant for the day...Re: Rude Cagers To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <34B70515.467DBD40@geocities.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 10 Jan 1998, Collin T. Fagan wrote: > I particularly like the keychain models...They are very handy for those late night > poorly lit parking lots that just beg the bad guys to attack lone people... The one I carry is pretty cool.It's about the size of two D cells put together and has a fire extinguisher-type valve that sprays a cloud 10 ft.It also has a bright red dye and a second dye that lasts for 48hrs and shows up under blacklight. I bought it from US Cavalry.There's also a shop on Columbia Pike (in the same shopping center as Boston Market) that carries police and self defence stuff. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 10 01:54:25 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA19993; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 01:54:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA10735; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 01:53:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA22383; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 01:53:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.142] (unverified [207.226.128.142]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 01:58:56 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: FW: Date: Sat, 10 Jan 98 01:53:45 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Linda Tanner" , "Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >One of greatest fantasies is to hear the thoughts of some young stud as I >blow by him (and his 'hot' car). I want him to know a middle aged woman on >a very hot bike just blew his doors off. After my brother and I started riding, we don't even bother trying to accelerate hard in a cage. Doesn't make sense. Two days ago, I walked a slightly modified (exhaust, maybe a chip, no nitrous or compressor) in my stodgy, old dude's BMW. It's not even a challenge anymore. When Road and Track needs to field a $70,000 car to 'beat' a $9000 bike, it really makes you wonder how the playing field is stacked. ``` (o o) *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| *--------------------------oooO------------* |__||__| || || ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 10 01:54:31 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA19998; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 01:54:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA10731; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 01:53:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA22379; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 01:53:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.142] (unverified [207.226.128.142]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 01:58:52 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: pepper spray and other weapons Date: Sat, 10 Jan 98 01:53:40 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Collin T. Fagan" , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >My all time favorite vehicle weapon, though, that is perfectly legal in >all 50 states is a 6 cell mag light!!! My brother carried one of these until I pointed out that he already had a tire iron in the trunk. Not as heavy, but you can get a much faster swing on it (kinda like a corked bat) And NO questions asked. -George From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 10 02:27:43 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA20267; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 02:27:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA10936; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 02:27:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp3.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA22702; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 02:27:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (spg-tnt6s191.erols.com [207.172.36.191]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA16333; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 02:29:18 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <34B729A8.AA60AAF5@geocities.com> Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 02:56:25 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: George Howell CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: pepper spray and other weapons References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit yes, those are good too; however, they don't do much for you in the trunk...Believe it or not, there are a few documented cases of cops giving harrasment for having tire irons up front!! I'm sure a decent lawyer could get a person out of it, but it's still a pain... A flashlight up front is more justifiable (especially if ya have a dome light that's as worthless a the one in my truck....it's at the back of the extended cab...makes for nice shadows in the front seat..) CT George Howell wrote: > >My all time favorite vehicle weapon, though, that is perfectly legal in > >all 50 states is a 6 cell mag light!!! > > My brother carried one of these until I pointed out that he already had a > tire iron in the trunk. Not as heavy, but you can get a much faster swing > on it (kinda like a corked bat) > > And NO questions asked. > > -George -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 10 02:28:00 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA20274; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 02:27:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA10940; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 02:27:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA22709; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 02:27:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id BAA05346 for ; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 01:26:54 -0600 (CST) Received: from nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (nmta2.mcit.com [166.37.172.3]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id CAA27891 for ; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 02:26:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.111.34]) by nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19980110072652.LUCI6587@[166.41.111.34]>; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 02:26:52 -0500 Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 02:07 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: Linda Tanner CC: "Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: Re: FW: X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980110072652.LUCI6587@[166.41.111.34]> One of greatest fantasies is to hear the thoughts of some young stud as I blow by him (and his 'hot' car). I want him to know a middle aged woman on a very hot bike just blew his doors off. It would be very satisfying. LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze How much of the Vino have you been nosing in?? Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 10 02:28:05 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA20279; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 02:28:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA10944; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 02:27:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA22712; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 02:27:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id CAA10985; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 02:27:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (nmta2.mcit.com [166.37.172.3]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id CAA22753; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 02:27:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.111.34]) by nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19980110072659.LUCM6587@[166.41.111.34]>; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 02:26:59 -0500 Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 02:17 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: George Howell CC: "MotorLE" , , "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: Re: RE: Fun Fun! X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980110072659.LUCM6587@[166.41.111.34]> I just thought they were yuppie bikes :P T >I "accidently" learned to wheelie on my 450 pound BMW. BMWs are girls bikes, >aren't they? Bite your tongue!! Harry and I might object to that statement. Beemer's are old, stodgy men's bikes. Everybody knows that (and they also apply to people susceptible to leg cramps, overweight, hate lubing chains, like twins, hate cleaning chrome, etc, etc, etc, etc....) What kinda Beemer? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 10 02:42:00 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA20494; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 02:42:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA11092; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 02:41:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA22986; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 02:41:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id CAA09263; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 02:37:04 -0500 Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 02:35:07 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Bad Time To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hey guys, No wonder there's so many damn posts on this list.You guys stay up all night geeking away on your computers. I have to be up.I'm at work. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 10 02:47:05 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA20516; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 02:47:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA11122; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 02:46:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA23008; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 02:46:30 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id CAA09289; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 02:42:19 -0500 Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 02:37:15 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Riding with a Passenger To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <34B651C8.AEB8FA5F@mci.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 9 Jan 1998, Dale Horstman wrote: > I just wanted to solicit opinions on this device for a younger > passenger. What do you folks think? > Usual disclaimers apply: I don't work for them, etc. etc. > http://www.hpmkt.com/ > PS: I was intrigued enough to order one. I'll subject my > 7 year old daughter to it and let you all know how it turns out. I've seen a couple reviews on this in the moto mags.They all liked it.They especially liked the fact that if the child fell asleep while riding,the belt would keep them attached to the rider. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 10 03:27:50 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA20840; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 03:27:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA11337; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 03:27:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from dilbert.ucdavis.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA23322; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 03:27:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (ez055079@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dilbert.ucdavis.edu (8.8.8/UCD3.11.23) with SMTP id AAA10329; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 00:26:56 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 00:26:55 -0800 (PST) From: "Oh...THAT Beth..." X-Sender: ez055079@XXXXXX To: WantA ZX6 cc: suzuki-l@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Synthetics...once more time..sorry In-Reply-To: <5bfab4a9.34b6bcc1@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII we had a HUGE discussion about non-MC oils in rec.moto (i think) a while back. as long as the oil you are using (automotive or motorcycle-specific) meets or exceeds the specifications listed on your shop manual, you should be OK. if that means Castrol GTX, then go for it. i'd check out Deja News on the thread. it's a good one. i made an arse outa myself. :) -Beth "razor sharp tongue in cheek, poking in your open sores" ****************************************************************************** DoD#4508, AMA#542204, NGG resident fluid dynamics engineer check it out: http://home.cwnet.com/beffie From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 10 07:57:45 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA22196; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 07:57:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA12691; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 07:57:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from out4.ibm.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA25082; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 07:56:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from plato (slip166-72-250-123.pa.us.ibm.net [166.72.250.123]) by out4.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA41418 for ; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 12:56:56 GMT Received: by plato with Microsoft Mail id <01BD1D9E.7F84F4A0@plato>; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 08:05:21 -0500 Message-ID: <01BD1D9E.7F84F4A0@plato> From: "Robert W. Johnston" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Good Weather, Clear Roads, And In the mountains.... Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 08:00:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just what to rub it in, Leaving Martinsburg, WV and heading West for a morning ride. Then going to look at a complete unrestored in good condition '72 Triumph Bonniville selling for less than a house payment. rwj From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 10 10:06:56 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA22812; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 10:06:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA13621; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 10:05:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.mnsinc.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA25945; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 10:05:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay.mnsinc.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA10124 for ; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 10:05:51 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <34B7B8EE.4259@mnsinc.com> Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 10:07:42 -0800 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: XT250 FS Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gang, >From VA miscforsale - the usual disclaimers apply... JK > For Sale 1982 Yamaha XT250 Street and Trail Motorcycle. 4 Stroke Motor, 5 Speed > Trans, Has New Battery. Can Be street legal, Still has Headlight, Turn Signals, > Horn and Speedometer on Bike. Also have title if you wish to make it street legal. > I am selling it for only $600, if interested reply threw E-Mail or call me at > 703-593-3699. Located in Manassas. > Thanks > ]\/[ike > mikegb@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 10 11:48:25 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA23415; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 11:48:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA14546; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 11:48:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA26780; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 11:48:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-20.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.61]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA15998 for ; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 11:48:06 -0500 Message-ID: <000e01bd1de7$bf5c73c0$3d10b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: Subject: Re: Unrelated rant for the day...Re: Rude Cagers Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 11:48:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 [various postings about weapons using this Re:] Thought the District's position (it has it's own view of concealed and dangerous weapons) might be of note and helpful to some. IANot a lawyer, nor a toter, but over the years the picture gets painted. And a lot of us have the opportunity to consider packing, particularly when thinking of travelling to and in DC (and elsewhere). Could be an issue, so checked some of the list archives then made calls. I talked with three District District Duty officers this morning, (multiple opinions always pay off here these days) and here is what came through (a montage of, some a bit conflicting, replies): helpful, but shy of the printed DC Code, of course. The first words out of these policepeople's mouths were "NO GUNS in the District", a phrase a resident becomes aware of quickly. No guns, Mace, stun guns, brass knuckles, non-work knives, weapons from anywhere are legal on person, vehicle, visible or not, permitted elsewhere or not. This in effect since the mid-'70s. Exceptions -- registered law enforcement officers; rare business-related permits *issued by the District*. Pepper spray (there is a percent qualification) O.K. Knives under 6" or visible and verifiably used in work O.K. Recalling, there was a publicized incident several years ago when a recognized rare-gun dealer (or his rep?) had made an antique pistol purchase elsewhere and was enroute home via business in DC at the Capitol, where it was detected in a briefcase. Everything was legit except his carrying as viewed by the District, and there were very uncomfortable and inflexible times for him including immediate confiscation. Over a long period things were smoothed, but not without bruises. Hope this helps save someone future consternation. Obviously there are more qualified sources for specific cases. Maybe there are some DC stories out there. Bill Swanson 96 Vulcan 500 LTD Downtown DC AMA, + From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 10 12:59:29 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA23946; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 12:59:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA14927; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 12:59:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA27458; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 12:59:15 -0500 (EST) From: MotorLE Message-ID: Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 12:52:31 EST To: ghowell@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: Re: RE: Fun Fun! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) >Bite your tongue!! Harry and I might object to that statement. Beemer's >are old, stodgy men's bikes. Everybody knows that (and they also apply to >people susceptible to leg cramps, overweight, hate lubing chains, like >twins, hate cleaning chrome, etc, etc, etc, etc.... >What kinda Beemer? oh, just an '85 R80. In storage in California (someday we'll be re-united), I've got an R80G/S, a 1960 R50 and a 1953 R51/3. Once there was an R75/5, but I sold it to a friend and he used it to kill a mailbox. Colleen From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 10 14:12:45 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA24555; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 14:12:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA15268; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 14:12:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from zip1.ziplink.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA28093; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 14:12:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (holm@localhost) by zip1.ziplink.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA25214; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 14:11:16 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 14:11:16 -0500 (EST) From: Julie Holm To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, "Whiteside, John" , Linda Tanner , "Short Bikers' List" , Sam Pierce , "O'Brien, Jeannette" , "Meier, Christopher" , "Mark S. Holm" , Su Lennox , Anita Lauro <2xracers@XXXXXX>, George Howell , Peter Hartzler , Philip Hamm , "Robert S. Fourney" , "Louis F. Caplan" , Barbara Fourney , "'Fox, Jamie'" , Phoenix 76RB Subject: MSF ERC for electronic Denizens Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII As promised, I have arranged Motorcycle Safetly Courses for DC Area motorcyclists. These are group classes, they are the Experienced Rider Course. Because I got a heavy response, I have arranged for two of these courses, for a maximum of 23 attendes (minimum of 15) (There is already a poor schmuck signed up for one date.) Unfortunately, the courses are already so full that the earliest dates I could get in June. Therefore the "Denizens of Doom" Motorcycle Safety Experienced Rider Course will be held on Sundays June 7 and 14. You only attend ONE of these, not both. They are all day, 8 - 6 I think. They are held at Northern Virginia Community College in Sterling Virginia, but you do not have to be a Virginia Resident to come. You MUST bring your own bike, helmet, jacket, gloves, and wear boots that support the ankles. One of them, I've asked for the 14th, cause that is when I am going, will be taught by our own Tim Morrow. The classes cost $55. To sign up, send me the following information: A check for $55 made out to NVCC (Date it April 1: That's when I'll send them in.) Your Name, address, home and work phone Your social security number* Which date you want! You can mail them to me at Julie Holm 9617 Verdict Drive Vienna, VA 22181. Also send me an e-mail to let me know to look for the check. No hurry except that I'll fill the classes AS I GET CHECKS. First paid, first served. I'll send you an e-mail to let you know you are in. If you have any questions, e-mail me or call (703) 938-0435 See you there! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 10 18:16:33 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA26732; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 18:16:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA16101; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 18:16:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA00408; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 18:16:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id SAA07476; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 18:15:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid02.mcit.com [166.37.221.14]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id SAA12015; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 18:15:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.111.178]) by imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19980110231536.VKVN28757@[166.41.111.178]>; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 17:15:36 -0600 Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 18:03 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: Alan Lapp CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Tales of Horrible Death and Dismemberment X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980110231536.VKVN28757@[166.41.111.178]> Alan Lapp wrote: >A friend of mine invited The Family Unit to Summit for an unofficial >'Family Day' at the track. His Mom and Sis are cool: very helpful & >pleasant, even taking lap times for us. His Dad, however, is a personal >injury attorney, and I consider him a professional worrier. My bud bet me >At this point, the diplomatic nerd in me kicked in, and I told him that the >probablility of death in such a circumstance is absolutely 1, but the > >Finally, my bud went off on him and told him that he was bumming everyone >out. In retrospect, I should have told him that he was currently engaged >in a terribly dangerous activity: he was *really* pissing me off! You sound like a nice guy Alan. Me? I'm an "Angry Biker" and I don't think I would've been able to politely walk away. Anyway, Nasty! Dudes' nut on the bars...yech! Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 10 18:50:43 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA27022; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 18:50:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA16765; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 18:50:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA00795; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 18:50:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.134] (unverified [207.226.128.134]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 18:55:53 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Bad Time Date: Sat, 10 Jan 98 18:50:33 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Gil M. Nissley" , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > No wonder there's so many damn posts on this list.You guys >stay up all night geeking away on your computers. > I have to be up.I'm at work. I actually have to go take care of some procurements for work today. But the place I have to get some stuff from doesn't open until late on Saturdays! Lucky me. (Speaking of that, I'm running a little late myself:) -George From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jan 11 02:21:19 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA00547; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 02:21:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA23906; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 02:20:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA02823; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 02:20:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.105] (unverified [207.226.128.105]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 02:26:14 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: My limit... Date: Sun, 11 Jan 98 02:20:50 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Made it to Coleman Woodbridge, and did manage to get some Belstaff waxed cotton overmitts and the Cordura nylon pants at about 30% off. Unfortunately, they didn't have my size in waxed cotton pants, but I gotta admit: the cordura pants seemed good enough that I might have to invest in a full suit sometime. Nice stuff. Also got some snowmobile gloves. Armed with all of that, I went to a party up in Columbia tonight. Riding back at 12:00, I found out something: 35 degrees is about as cold as I want to go. I suppose I could stretch it a few more degrees with one more layer of clothing, but my real problem was a cold head. I already had one of those thin ski mask deals, and that didn't do the job 100%. I still have a headache:( Now the cold I could stand (in my head) but I think it did do a number on my concentration. Just wasn't able to hold it long enough. Or maybe I just need more practice. I was as tense tonight as I was the first time I rode in the rain (not counting the MSF course:) ``` (o o) *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| *--------------------------oooO------------* |__||__| || || ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jan 11 05:56:41 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id FAA01815; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 05:56:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id FAA24756; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 05:56:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id FAA00731; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 05:56:23 -0500 (EST) From: RDWOODJR Message-ID: <250ee74b.34b8a54e@aol.com> Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 05:56:13 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: up and over Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) << I'm a girl and I think wheelies are cool, but you'd never catch me doing one. Maybe a tiny one cause I accidentally let the clutch slip too soon but nothing on purpose. Ursulina Viteri>> Learned my lesson on wheelie-making many years ago. Wasn't good at it, and threw away a few street bikes in parking lots, not to mention that my knees still have the scars ( at least I landed on my hands and knees). Ya gotta stab the rear brake pedal at the Proper time. Richard From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jan 11 06:07:30 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA01888; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 06:07:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA24870; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 06:07:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA00819; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 06:07:22 -0500 (EST) From: RDWOODJR Message-ID: <7eb01282.34b8a7e2@aol.com> Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 06:07:13 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: passengers & the Rolling Stones (more cryptic messages) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) <> I wouldn't let my offspring ride with me until I obtained a backrest for my cruisers. Of course, that's not always an option. Plus, I've been off the back of a bike twice, thanks to cages ramming from behind. Hate to think what a backrest might of done to my back. Gee, (Rolling Stones), you just always can't get what you want! OBTW, if your passenger's feet don't touch the footpegs, a RECKless driving violation citation is possible. Seen it, heard it, didn't do it. Richard Wood From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jan 11 06:18:25 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA01951; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 06:18:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA24912; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 06:18:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA00921; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 06:18:13 -0500 (EST) From: RDWOODJR Message-ID: <270ef8cc.34b8aa6b@aol.com> Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 06:18:01 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Oh scary me Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) >I personally am more scared of the power-suit (read power-tripping) types Todd - ESPECIALLY if they're driving a Volvo... Michael J. > Especially ones wearing *driving gloves*. What the heck for? Seen that so many times commuting! Ya gonna get blisters in those spirited maneuvers on the beltway? Richard Wood From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jan 11 10:46:34 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA03219; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 10:46:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA27211; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 10:46:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from beta.nova.org by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA03025; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 10:46:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by beta.nova.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA29724; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 10:46:03 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 10:46:02 -0500 (EST) From: Thomas Piergallini Reply-To: pierre@XXXXXX To: George Howell cc: DC Cycles Subject: Re: My limit... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 11 Jan 1998, George Howell wrote: > Armed with all of that, I went to a party up in Columbia tonight. Riding > back at 12:00, I found out something: 35 degrees is about as cold as I > want to go. I suppose I could stretch it a few more degrees with one more > layer of clothing, but my real problem was a cold head. I already had one > of those thin ski mask deals, and that didn't do the job 100%. I still > have a headache:( Now the cold I could stand (in my head) but I think it > did do a number on my concentration. Just wasn't able to hold it long > enough. Do you have an "apple warmer", the piece of cloth that attachs to your helmut and blocks air from under your chin? I have found that this, in combination with the neoprene whole head facemask should get you down to 20 degree, and long duration. Thomas Piergallini EMail: pierre@XXXXXX, pierre@XXXXXX http://www.elkrun.chantilly.va.us From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jan 11 11:15:22 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA03367; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 11:15:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA27745; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 11:15:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA03241; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 11:15:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id LAA08758; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 11:14:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid01.mcit.com [166.37.221.13]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id KAA15766; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 10:14:21 -0600 (CST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.111.126]) by imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19980111161420.WULS215@[166.41.111.126]>; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 10:14:20 -0600 Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 11:05 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: Thomas Piergallini CC: George Howell , DC Cycles Subject: Re: My limit... X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980111161420.WULS215@[166.41.111.126]> Thomas Piergallini wrote: >Do you have an "apple warmer", the piece of cloth that attachs to your >helmut and blocks air from under your chin? I have found that this, in >combination with the neoprene whole head facemask should get you down to >20 degree, and long duration. George, if you don't have one of these you can borrow mine to test it out. It requires that you stick some small tabs of velcro loops (4 of them) on your helmet at the base. This warmer does work very well btw. I don't use it anymore 'cause I got that big windshield and the polertec 'neck halter'. Let me know. Tod From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jan 11 12:31:23 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA03986; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 12:31:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA27954; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 12:31:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA04117; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 12:31:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.109] (unverified [207.226.128.109]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 12:36:31 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: My limit... Date: Sun, 11 Jan 98 12:31:06 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: cc: "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Do you have an "apple warmer", the piece of cloth that attachs to your >helmut and blocks air from under your chin? I have found that this, in >combination with the neoprene whole head facemask should get you down to >20 degree, and long duration. Actually, no I don't. I forgot all about those things. Thanks for the reminder. -George From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jan 11 14:15:48 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA04866; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 14:15:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA28267; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 14:15:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from welchlink.welch.jhu.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA05448; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 14:15:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from HGREENS.adventisthealthcare.com (Pool-207-205-223-250.pitb.grid.net [207.205.223.250]) by welchlink.welch.jhu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA16544 for ; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 14:13:07 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980111141633.006a2d9c@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: hggmd@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 14:16:33 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." Subject: Ride/Book Recommendation Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" With yesterday's beautiful weather, I hit the road for a the big "Monument Valley" tour: Thurmont to Smithsburg, then down 66 and 34 to Sharpsburg for the glorious run to Harper's Ferry. We got there just in time to see the sunset along the Shenandoah River. For those of you who don't know about them, Whitehorse Press (http://www.whitehorsepress.com) has great motorcycling books, including a series called "Motorcycle Journeys." I have the "MJ through the Applacians" and "... through New England," which are both great. Each includes great routes, maps, directions, places of interest, historical notes, etc. They've never gotten me lost or disappointed me. Harry Bethesda, MD '97 BMW R1100RT http://www.greenspun.com/harry/bikes.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jan 11 18:28:31 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA08758; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 18:28:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA29563; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 18:28:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from italy.it.earthlink.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA11192; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 18:28:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from [153.35.88.175] (1Cust175.tnt4.tco2.da.uu.net [153.35.88.175]) by italy.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA01407 for ; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 15:28:06 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: level_5_ltd@XXXXXX (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <34B729A8.AA60AAF5@geocities.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 18:29:35 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Alan Lapp Subject: Re: pepper spray and other weapons >yes, those are good too; however, they don't do much for you in the >trunk...Believe it or not, there are a few documented cases of cops giving >harrasment for having tire irons up front!! I'm sure a decent lawyer could >get a person out of it, but it's still a pain... >A flashlight up front is more justifiable (especially if ya have a dome light >that's as worthless a the one in my truck....it's at the back of the extended >cab...makes for nice shadows in the front seat..) >CT Very true! I had a billy club in my car and a cop (who was at my house after I reported a theft-from-auto) gave me the warning that it was considered a weapon because it has no other functional use than beating people senseless. The flashlight has a function aside from it's prowess as a club. Al level_5_ltd@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jan 11 18:38:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA08942; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 18:38:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA29651; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 18:38:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA11423; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 18:38:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from default ([12.68.77.207]) by mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA687 for ; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 23:37:58 +0000 Reply-To: "kevin thomas" From: "kevin thomas" To: "dc-cycles" Subject: way to rub it in, guys! Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 18:34:41 -0500 Message-ID: <01bd1ee9$7daf5de0$cf4d440c@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0015_01BD1EBF.94D955E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01BD1EBF.94D955E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey, y'all-- here I am with no voltage regulator, and Cycles USA has to order one, = and I haven't had time to be sure that's what's wrong, and I have to = work on my friend's truck all day anyway, and you all rode _right_ past_ = me on the way out on your ride! I was at my friend's house on Hutton St = in Gaithersburg, just a couple of blocks from your starting point. = Thanks a bunch, I needed that!!! :-( ;-) Hope you had fun! 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Hey, y'all--
 
here I am with no voltage regulator, and Cycles USA = has to=20 order one, and I haven't had time to be sure that's what's wrong, and I = have to=20 work on my friend's truck all day anyway, and you all rode _right_ past_ = me on=20 the way out on your ride!  I was at my friend's house on Hutton St = in=20 Gaithersburg, just a couple of blocks from your starting point.  = Thanks a=20 bunch, I needed that!!!
 
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Hope you had fun!
 
Kevin
 
He who says it cannot be done should = not=20 interrupt him who is doing it.
------=_NextPart_000_0015_01BD1EBF.94D955E0-- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jan 11 19:30:53 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA09828; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 19:30:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA00770; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 19:30:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.mnsinc.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA12618; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 19:30:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay.mnsinc.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA29876 for ; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 19:30:37 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <34B98ECD.3117@mnsinc.com> Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 19:32:29 -0800 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Sunday Trip Report Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey gang, For those of you who frittered the day away watching football on the tube, 14 of your brethern and sistern enjoyed themselves on a (relatively) short but delightful ride led by Steve Harris (Team Charm). Up to Sugarload Mountain we went, some 46 miles from Steve's crib down some neat sweeping roads - especially Thurston Road - now that was a lot of fun! A slight mishap occurred when Ursulina - today's newbie ;) let her LTD450 slip from underneath her on one of the switchbacks, but she seemed in fine spirits and her bike sustained very minor damage. Great weather, nice ride. Thanks again Steve. N.B. Brian McCoy, I do have a lens for you. Gimme a holler... JK From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jan 11 21:33:41 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA10768; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 21:33:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA03594; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 21:33:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from zip1.ziplink.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA14420; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 21:33:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (holm@localhost) by zip1.ziplink.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id VAA24835 for ; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 21:34:53 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 21:34:53 -0500 (EST) From: Julie Holm To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 01/11/98 In-Reply-To: <199801120000.TAA00238@tove.cs.umd.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 11 Jan 1998, Harry Greenspun, MD wrote: > For those of you who don't know about them, Whitehorse Press > (http://www.whitehorsepress.com) has great motorcycling books, including a > series called "Motorcycle Journeys." I have the "MJ through the > Applacians" and "... through New England," which are both great. Each > includes great routes, maps, directions, places of interest, historical > notes, etc. They've never gotten me lost or disappointed me. > I can also vouch for them. I have only been on a couple of the Appalachian tours, but when we went on our "Castle Tour" (Check my web page) we used quite a bit of the New England guide. I also have the southwest, though I've only used it once. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Julie Holm (ENTP)| DoD #1604 AMA#397939 UKMC# 0001 VOC# 4672 holm@XXXXXX | 1985 Virago 700 "Maureen" | I'm home at http://www.ziplink.net/~holm NGG Webmistress | Remember the PINK PAGES are always changing (Just and Armourer | like a Nasty Girlie's mind!) | NGG home page http://www.ziplink.net/~holm/ngg/ngg.html --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 12 09:59:55 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA17564; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 09:59:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA06822; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 22:59:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA03684; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 09:39:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay2.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id JAA16144; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 09:39:45 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 09:38:15 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D37EB95@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Sorry, Missed Sunday... Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 09:37:22 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain and I was the person who started the whole talk about the ride!! Sorry, but I got sick. I thought it was just a cold but it ended up being something EVIL that made me sleep all afternoon! I figured with as off-balance as I felt I had no business riding anywhere...DAMN!! I didn't get to meet all you racer-types! I did ride out to Herndon Saturday, though, to meet my sis and try on bridesmaid dresses. I had to pull over at one point 'cause I had my summer gloves on & couldn't feel my hands anymore. So, I pulled over on the Dulles toll road (praying that a cop wouldn't come driving up behind me...PLEASE PLEASE). Well, I got lucky, didn't see Johnny Law & once I could feel my hands again the ride was quite pleasant, although very straight. Going through tolls on a bike with heavy gloves on is a royal pain in the butt, though! - Jeannette From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 12 10:00:01 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA17570; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 09:59:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA06841; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 22:59:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA03168; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 09:15:11 -0500 (EST) From: RDWOODJR Message-ID: <1ccdbc33.34ba2442@aol.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 09:10:09 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: ghowell@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 01/11/98 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) << >Do you have an "apple warmer", the piece of cloth that attachs to your >helmut and blocks air from under your chin? I have found that this, in >combination with the neoprene whole head facemask should get you down to >20 degree, and long duration. Actually, no I don't. I forgot all about those things. Thanks for the reminder. -George >> George, I've got 2 of the *original* apple warmers (not the copy-cat less effective "polar collars") I don't use. You can have one if you like. Or anyone else willing to stop by *__* forsaken Brandywine. They WORK. Then you really need effective face shield defogging. And fresh breath. Richard Wood From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 12 10:00:20 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA17592; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 10:00:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA06871; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 22:59:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA03090; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 09:09:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay2.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id JAA04353; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 09:09:32 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 09:08:01 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D37EB93@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Gil M. Nissley'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Riding with a Passenger Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 09:07:09 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Ok, give me someone who's under 115lbs so I can practice!! ; ) - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Gil M. Nissley [SMTP:gnissley@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, January 09, 1998 6:29 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Riding with a Passenger > > > Lots of good advice has been posted so I'll just add two points. > When you start riding passengers,pick people who are smaller than > you,it makes it much easier to control the bike when you have the > greater mass.I rode my dad on the back once;he was 220,I was 150. > It got real tricky at low speed. > Second,it helps if the bike you're using has a low center of > gravity and a pillion that's not too high/rearward.My FT Ascot was > easiy to ride passengers on,my CBR9 was not. > > Oh,and don't ride a passenger on the back of an S1. ;-) > > > The official BuellBoy Genes model. > > gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT > > Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 12 10:01:03 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA17605; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 10:01:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA07044; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 23:00:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA04254; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 10:00:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id IAA10489; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 08:59:34 -0600 (CST) Received: from imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid01.mcit.com [166.37.221.13]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id IAA16274; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 08:59:32 -0600 (CST) Received: from mci.com ([166.32.114.127]) by imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with ESMTP id <19980112145931.XNUG215@XXXXXX>; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 08:59:31 -0600 Message-ID: <34BA2FD4.C74E17E4@mci.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 09:59:32 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Reply-To: Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Todd Peer CC: Thomas Piergallini , George Howell , DC Cycles Subject: Re: My limit... References: <19980111161420.WULS215@[166.41.111.126]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You can buy them at Coleman Poser sports with tabs that insert between the helmet shell and the liner. There's enough grip there to hold them in place. I'm happy with mine. I paid less than $10 for it. It's coming off in the spring though, it's too warm - and it promotes fogging. Dale (the Horkster) Todd Peer wrote: > Thomas Piergallini wrote: > >Do you have an "apple warmer", the piece of cloth that attachs to your > >helmut and blocks air from under your chin? I have found that this, in > >combination with the neoprene whole head facemask should get you down to > >20 degree, and long duration. > > George, if you don't have one of these you can borrow mine to test > it out. It requires that you stick some small tabs of velcro loops > (4 of them) on your helmet at the base. > > This warmer does work very well btw. I don't use it anymore 'cause > I got that big windshield and the polertec 'neck halter'. > > Let me know. > > Tod From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 12 10:01:12 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA17610; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 10:01:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA07085; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 23:00:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from m-net.arbornet.org by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA02316; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 08:19:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (bmccoy@localhost) by m-net.arbornet.org (8.8.5/8.8.6) with SMTP id IAA27105 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 08:16:04 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 08:16:03 -0500 (EST) From: Brian McCoy To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: grumble, grumble Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hey gang... The joys of a computer company that can't keep it's friggin mail server up and running - or GET it up and running after 2 days. Well, thank god for free e-mail accounts. The ride this weekend was great (and as I've heard that Senor Kozen has already provided details, I'll not duplicate. Though - something related to the ride was that I Finally got my finicky beast over the 30,000 mile marker near the end of the ride. Time to sell it I guess.. :P I'll put another $200 or so into the bike repairing and replacing things that make for convience so it's a bit easier to sell, and a new rear tire. I must say, as far as bias-ply tires go, I really like my Avon Super Venoms - they provide high stick quality, and a confident ride. But I also get about 7,000 miles out of a rear too (this was my second). This may not be quite as good as a radial, but it's damn good for my needs (2 rears, one front a year.. total cost of about $300 including mounting). Blah, so I don't want to ramble anymore.. if anyone needs to get in touch with me - e-mail me at this address (bmccoy@XXXXXX I believe - but check for yourself). Cheers all.. Brian M. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 12 10:01:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA17621; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 10:01:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA07163; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 23:00:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from sundown.northgrum.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA02078; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 07:57:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from puff.northgrum.com (puff.northgrum.com [157.127.103.139]) by sundown.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id EAA20325 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 04:57:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from xcgca011.northgrum.com ([157.127.103.101]) by puff.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id EAA23146 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 04:57:29 -0800 (PST) Received: by XCGCA011 with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 04:58:17 -0800 Message-ID: <11D743514607D011A15500805FEA3464A45DC8@xcgva001.grumman.com> From: "Meier, Christopher" To: dc-cycles Subject: RE: Sunday Trip Report Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 04:58:02 -0800 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain I second that ... Great ride Steve. I guess MD _does_ have some good roads! ;-) BTW, for those still interested ... the Coast racing was won by a gold Volvo station wagon! Later, chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ > ---------- > From: John C. Kozyn[SMTP:jckozyn@XXXXXX] > Sent: Sunday, January 11, 1998 10:32 PM > To: dc-cycles > Subject: Sunday Trip Report > > Hey gang, > > For those of you who frittered the day away watching football on the > tube, 14 of your brethern and sistern enjoyed themselves on a > (relatively) short but delightful ride led by Steve Harris (Team > Charm). > > Up to Sugarload Mountain we went, some 46 miles from Steve's crib down > some neat sweeping roads - especially Thurston Road - now that was a > lot > of fun! > > A slight mishap occurred when Ursulina - today's newbie ;) let her > LTD450 slip from underneath her on one of the switchbacks, but she > seemed in fine spirits and her bike sustained very minor damage. > > Great weather, nice ride. Thanks again Steve. > > N.B. Brian McCoy, I do have a lens for you. Gimme a holler... > > JK > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 12 10:04:22 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA17678; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 10:04:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA08046; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 23:03:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from iconmail.bellatlantic.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA16983; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 00:58:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from my-workstation (client196-127-53.bellatlantic.net [151.196.127.53]) by iconmail.bellatlantic.net (IConNet Sendmail) with SMTP id AAA16057 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 00:58:35 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980112004752.00c17f98@postoffice.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: true911@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 00:47:52 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mark E. Truelove" Subject: Saturday ride note... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I just read John's note about today's ride, and noticed no one had written from yesterday. Just wanted to drop a note of thanks to Louis for picking a great little meandering route out of his archives -- the weather was great, and it felt great to see some new areas and be on the bike after a few weeks of work, weather and illness conspiring against me! I drove home on the parkway like a maniac, something I haven't done in years and probably won't again soon, but it felt GRRREAT!!! (My apologies to my old MSF instructors :) It was nice to see a good mix of known and unknown (to me) faces, too. MET ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark E. Truelove (true@XXXXXX) http://www.clark.net/pub/pooh/ Polaris Technology Group http://www.angelfire.com/biz/polaristech/ Placement Specialists: SAP PeopleSoft Notes Fiber-Optics NT UNIX DBs ======================================================================= From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 12 10:04:23 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA17679; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 10:04:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA08035; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 23:03:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from iconmail.bellatlantic.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA16980; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 00:58:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from my-workstation (client196-127-53.bellatlantic.net [151.196.127.53]) by iconmail.bellatlantic.net (IConNet Sendmail) with SMTP id AAA16045; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 00:58:31 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980112002452.0070b530@postoffice.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: true911@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 00:24:52 -0500 To: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mark E. Truelove" Subject: Re: Ride/Book Recommendation In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980111141633.006a2d9c@pop.mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 02:16 PM 1/11/98 -0500, Harry G. Greenspun, M.D. wrote: > For those of you who don't know about them, Whitehorse Press >(http://www.whitehorsepress.com) has great motorcycling books, including a >series called "Motorcycle Journeys." I have the "MJ through the >Applacians" and "... through New England," which are both great. Each My sis just ordered me the Appalachian one for Xmas -- I'm looking forward to exploring it. MET ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark E. Truelove (true@XXXXXX) http://www.clark.net/pub/pooh/ Polaris Technology Group http://www.angelfire.com/biz/polaristech/ Placement Specialists: SAP PeopleSoft Notes Fiber-Optics NT UNIX DBs ======================================================================= From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 12 10:14:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA17779; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 10:14:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA09203; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 23:14:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from sundown.northgrum.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA04305; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 10:01:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from puff.northgrum.com (puff.northgrum.com [157.127.103.139]) by sundown.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id HAA26051 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 07:01:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from xcgca004.northgrum.com ([157.127.103.103]) by puff.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id HAA28289 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 07:01:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by XCGCA004 with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 07:02:29 -0800 Message-ID: <11D743514607D011A15500805FEA3464A45DCC@xcgva001.grumman.com> From: "Meier, Christopher" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, "'Gil M. Nissley'" Subject: RE: Unrelated rant for the day...Re: Rude Cagers Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 07:02:22 -0800 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain if that's the intersection of Col. Pike and Glebe in Arlington, I thought it was called "the Cop Shop". Did it change it's name or something? Later, chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ > ---------- > From: Gil M. Nissley[SMTP:gnissley@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, January 09, 1998 8:08 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Unrelated rant for the day...Re: Rude Cagers > --snip-- > I bought it from US Cavalry.There's also a shop on Columbia Pike > (in the same shopping center as Boston Market) that carries police and > > self defence stuff. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 12 10:23:05 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA17966; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 10:23:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA09534; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 23:22:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA04748; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 10:22:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.02c) id A53925E0292; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 10:22:33 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980112095810.00a611f0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 09:58:10 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Riding with a Passenger In-Reply-To: References: <98Jan9.101401est.19594@GKCATL01.kilcody.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:47 AM 1/10/98 -0500, Alan Lapp wrote: >Obligatory horror stories: > >A punk friend of mine needed a ride to pick up his car. He thought it >would be funny to put his foot down in the middle of a corner, like he did >on his dirt bike. Stood us up, and headed us directly towards a ditch. I >restrained myself from smacking him silly. I've got a story about riding with a passenger, told by a friend who was the passenger on someone's bike. This rider decided to pop a wheelie while my friend was on the back. The wheelie was okay, but my friend said "Never again." Some time later, the rider convinced my friend to ride with him again, after promising not to do a wheelie or anything else stupid with a passenger on the back. My friend got on the bike, wrapped his arms around the rider ... and the rider did a wheelie. My friend made a fist and thrust it vigorously downward. The rider immediately put the front end back on the ground and didn't do it again! Some people should never take passengers, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 12 10:26:09 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA17995; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 10:26:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA09622; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 23:25:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from tangerine.uucom.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA04806; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 10:25:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from tangerine.uucom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tangerine.uucom.com (8.8.7/8.8.4/970102ccg) with ESMTP id KAA10237; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 10:24:16 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199801121524.KAA10237@tangerine.uucom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 To: "Meier, Christopher" cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Unrelated rant for the day...Re: Rude Cagers In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 12 Jan 1998 07:02:22 PST." <11D743514607D011A15500805FEA3464A45DCC@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 10:24:16 -0500 From: "Matthew V. J. Whalen" I think I heard "Meier, Christopher" say: >if that's the intersection of Col. Pike and Glebe in Arlington, I >thought it was called "the Cop Shop". Did it change it's name or >something? It is still called "The Cop Shop," but the tailor that worked there has left and opened his own shop. (Not that it is all that relevant to dcc) ----- -matthew From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 12 10:33:16 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA18098; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 10:33:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA09756; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 23:33:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from draco.eisi.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA04951; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 10:33:09 -0500 (EST) Received: by draco.eisi.com; id KAA17049; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 10:33:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from unknown(10.3.1.4) by draco.eisi.com via smap (3.2) id xma017044; Mon, 12 Jan 98 10:33:01 -0500 Received: by HRNEXCH1 with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 10:33:24 -0500 Message-ID: <7F151D3C3920D111859A080009D806396E6C42@HRNEXCH1> From: "Whiteside, John" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Rude Cagers Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 10:33:23 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Actually I find the drivers in Virginia a lot scarier than in the District.... --John Whiteside, Virginia commuter, District resident (for a few more weeks) > -----Original Message----- > From: Collin T. Fagan [SMTP:gixer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, January 09, 1998 6:40 PM > To: Jinn Sinn > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Rude Cagers > > Normally if I can avoid them in general I do and just chalk up another > idiotic > move to BDC's....But if they're getting close and the 132db horn does > not dissuade > them, I've been known on numerous occasions (yeah I go into the > district daily) to > plant a size 10 steel toed/shanked boot hard into the nearest body > panel....(then > I head for the nearest escape path and put some distance between me > and them to > avoid the aforementioned psychopaths)... And yes, nothing makes a > statement like a > COLT!!!! > Collin > > Jinn Sinn wrote: > > > ok...this morning, riding to work on the parkway (Rock Creek) the > lanes are > > merging cause some idiot is blocking traffic in one lane. I'm in the > left > > lane, car in the right lane and slightly BEHIND me (so she > DEFINATELY SAW > > ME)......pulls about 3/4 of the way into my lane forcing me to go > left into > > the left-turn lane where fortunately there were no other cars....her > window > > was down, my visor was up and I yelled "Hey!" (wellll......I > couldn't think of > > anything else on the spur of the moment and my horn doesn't > work....) her > > response was to shrug and proceed to take up the remaining 1/4 of > the > > lane...........argh! > > > > marcy > > > > -- > _________________________________________ > Collin and Penny Fagan > LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard > (202) 366-0067 (work) > (703) 356-4279 (home) > ICQ UIN: 435732 > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ > (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 12 10:43:52 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA18241; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 10:43:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA09950; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 23:43:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from draco.eisi.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA05204; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 10:43:43 -0500 (EST) Received: by draco.eisi.com; id KAA17868; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 10:43:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from unknown(10.3.1.4) by draco.eisi.com via smap (3.2) id xma017837; Mon, 12 Jan 98 10:43:29 -0500 Received: by HRNEXCH1 with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 10:43:52 -0500 Message-ID: <7F151D3C3920D111859A080009D806396E6C43@HRNEXCH1> From: "Whiteside, John" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Sorry, Missed Sunday... Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 10:43:48 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Re: Tolls This is one of the thing that keeps me from riding into work as much -- that #$$@ Dulles Toll Road. It's not too bad with lighter gloves -- I keep a bunch of quarters in a pouch on my tank bag -- but I haven't tried it with the winter gloves yet. What do other folks do? A friend of a friend supposedly mounted his fastoll box to his windscreen and it works -- I tried this and it didn't at all. John Whiteside Marketing Specialist EIS Marketing Dept. Phone: (703) 736-8386 * Fax (703) 787-6720 jwhiteside@XXXXXX http://www.eisi.com > -----Original Message----- > From: O'Brien, Jeannette [SMTP:jlobrien@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, January 12, 1998 9:37 AM > To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > Subject: Sorry, Missed Sunday... > > and I was the person who started the whole talk about the ride!! > Sorry, > but I got sick. I thought it was just a cold but it ended up being > something EVIL that made me sleep all afternoon! I figured with as > off-balance as I felt I had no business riding anywhere...DAMN!! I > didn't get to meet all you racer-types! > > I did ride out to Herndon Saturday, though, to meet my sis and try on > bridesmaid dresses. I had to pull over at one point 'cause I had my > summer gloves on & couldn't feel my hands anymore. So, I pulled over > on > the Dulles toll road (praying that a cop wouldn't come driving up > behind > me...PLEASE PLEASE). Well, I got lucky, didn't see Johnny Law & once > I > could feel my hands again the ride was quite pleasant, although very > straight. Going through tolls on a bike with heavy gloves on is a > royal > pain in the butt, though! > > - Jeannette From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 12 10:49:24 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA18320; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 10:49:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA10034; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 23:48:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA05322; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 10:48:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay2.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id KAA11563; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 10:48:44 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 10:47:12 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D37EBA4@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Whiteside, John'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Rude Cagers Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 10:46:19 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain I agree with you in general. I've only had psychos so far in VA, but then again, I did get attacked once in DC when someone tried to run me over! I taught him, though!! hee hee hee - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Whiteside, John [SMTP:jwhiteside@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, January 12, 1998 10:33 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Rude Cagers > > Actually I find the drivers in Virginia a lot scarier than in the > District.... > > --John Whiteside, Virginia commuter, District resident (for a few more > weeks) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Collin T. Fagan [SMTP:gixer@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Friday, January 09, 1998 6:40 PM > > To: Jinn Sinn > > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Re: Rude Cagers > > > > Normally if I can avoid them in general I do and just chalk up > another > > idiotic > > move to BDC's....But if they're getting close and the 132db horn > does > > not dissuade > > them, I've been known on numerous occasions (yeah I go into the > > district daily) to > > plant a size 10 steel toed/shanked boot hard into the nearest body > > panel....(then > > I head for the nearest escape path and put some distance between me > > and them to > > avoid the aforementioned psychopaths)... And yes, nothing makes a > > statement like a > > COLT!!!! > > Collin > > > > Jinn Sinn wrote: > > > > > ok...this morning, riding to work on the parkway (Rock Creek) the > > lanes are > > > merging cause some idiot is blocking traffic in one lane. I'm in > the > > left > > > lane, car in the right lane and slightly BEHIND me (so she > > DEFINATELY SAW > > > ME)......pulls about 3/4 of the way into my lane forcing me to go > > left into > > > the left-turn lane where fortunately there were no other > cars....her > > window > > > was down, my visor was up and I yelled "Hey!" (wellll......I > > couldn't think of > > > anything else on the spur of the moment and my horn doesn't > > work....) her > > > response was to shrug and proceed to take up the remaining 1/4 of > > the > > > lane...........argh! > > > > > > marcy > > > > > > > > -- > > _________________________________________ > > Collin and Penny Fagan > > LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard > > (202) 366-0067 (work) > > (703) 356-4279 (home) > > ICQ UIN: 435732 > > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ > > (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 12 11:14:05 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA18724; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 11:14:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA11034; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 00:13:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA05983; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 11:13:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com by mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (8.8.8/McCaw V8 version 1) id IAA24355; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 08:12:57 -0800 (PST) Received: by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id IAA23418; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 08:12:56 -0800 Received: from hq_msg01.nwest.mccaw.com by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id IAA23411; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 08:12:53 -0800 Received: by hq_msg01.nwest.mccaw.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD1F31.DAB95700@XXXXXX>; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 08:12:41 -0800 Message-ID: From: "Viteri, Ursulina" To: "'O'Brien, Jeannette'" , "'Whiteside, John'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Rude Cagers Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 08:09:52 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 91 TEXT Did they ever find his carcass? : - ) Ursulina Viteri 202-416-6534 * Fax 202-223-9095 AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. - Washington, DC >-----Original Message----- >From: O'Brien, Jeannette [SMTP:jlobrien@XXXXXX] >Sent: Monday, January 12, 1998 7:46 AM >To: 'Whiteside, John'; dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: RE: Rude Cagers > >I agree with you in general. I've only had psychos so far in VA, but >then again, I did get attacked once in DC when someone tried to run me >over! I taught him, though!! hee hee hee > >- Jeannette > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Whiteside, John [SMTP:jwhiteside@XXXXXX] >> Sent: Monday, January 12, 1998 10:33 AM >> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >> Subject: RE: Rude Cagers >> >> Actually I find the drivers in Virginia a lot scarier than in the >> District.... >> >> --John Whiteside, Virginia commuter, District resident (for a few more >> weeks) >> >> >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Collin T. Fagan [SMTP:gixer@XXXXXX] >> > Sent: Friday, January 09, 1998 6:40 PM >> > To: Jinn Sinn >> > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >> > Subject: Re: Rude Cagers >> > >> > Normally if I can avoid them in general I do and just chalk up >> another >> > idiotic >> > move to BDC's....But if they're getting close and the 132db horn >> does >> > not dissuade >> > them, I've been known on numerous occasions (yeah I go into the >> > district daily) to >> > plant a size 10 steel toed/shanked boot hard into the nearest body >> > panel....(then >> > I head for the nearest escape path and put some distance between me >> > and them to >> > avoid the aforementioned psychopaths)... And yes, nothing makes a >> > statement like a >> > COLT!!!! >> > Collin >> > >> > Jinn Sinn wrote: >> > >> > > ok...this morning, riding to work on the parkway (Rock Creek) the >> > lanes are >> > > merging cause some idiot is blocking traffic in one lane. I'm in >> the >> > left >> > > lane, car in the right lane and slightly BEHIND me (so she >> > DEFINATELY SAW >> > > ME)......pulls about 3/4 of the way into my lane forcing me to go >> > left into >> > > the left-turn lane where fortunately there were no other >> cars....her >> > window >> > > was down, my visor was up and I yelled "Hey!" (wellll......I >> > couldn't think of >> > > anything else on the spur of the moment and my horn doesn't >> > work....) her >> > > response was to shrug and proceed to take up the remaining 1/4 of >> > the >> > > lane...........argh! >> > > >> > > marcy >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > _________________________________________ >> > Collin and Penny Fagan >> > LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard >> > (202) 366-0067 (work) >> > (703) 356-4279 (home) >> > ICQ UIN: 435732 >> > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ >> > (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) >> > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 12 11:15:14 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA18737; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 11:15:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA11108; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 00:14:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA06024; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 11:15:02 -0500 (EST) From: RDWOODJR Message-ID: Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 11:09:14 EST To: cnorloff@XXXXXX, ROYK@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: apple warmers Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) << I would like to take you up on your offer. I should have the opportunity to hit !@# Brandywine next weekend. Of course, this assumes I beat out all the other cheap freebie grabbing types... Thanks, Kirk>> << Say, I'd be interested in one of those. Any possibility you could drop it in the mail? I'd be happy to give you something for it. thanks, Chris Norloff >> Actually, I found 3 in my basement(3, what kinda nut are you?). Jeez, i found 5 pairs of winter gloves too. Kirk gets #1 Chris gets #2 George has 24 hours to reserve #3. This *is* a limited offer! Just e-mail me shipping addresses, guys. No need to visit *___* forsaken Brandywine unless you would like to sit on my deck and view three hundred acres of birds, squirrels, foxes and deer. And I only own 3 acres of it. Crap, now someone's building a house I can see, 1/4 mile away. There goes the neighborhood. Richard Wood From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 12 11:24:07 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA18917; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 11:24:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA11775; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 00:23:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA06228; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 11:23:53 -0500 (EST) From: RDWOODJR Message-ID: <9a719d2a.34ba4299@aol.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 11:19:36 EST To: pierre@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Applewarmer Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) << name your price, and I will send you that and the shipping for it. I live in chantilly.... Work at 50 and the beltway virginia side. -pierre >> Even though I am quite the mercenary, the applewarmers are freely given at no charge. Pierre, your response was #3. Now it is your responsibility to eliminate (JUST KIDDING!) George if you want the last one. You have 24 hours to complete your mission. Any knowledge of your actions will be disavowed if you are caught. This message will self-destruct in 5 seco______ Whew! I've got too much free time. Richard Wood From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 12 11:27:24 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA18963; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 11:27:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA11826; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 00:27:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA06324; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 11:27:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay2.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id LAA24581; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 11:27:13 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 11:25:41 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D37EBAC@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Viteri, Ursulina'" , "O'Brien, Jeannette" , "'Whiteside, John'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Rude Cagers Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 11:24:47 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain I don't think he expected me to be quite as scrappy as I was. After he got me down, he stupidly slipped in the snow & I jumped on him. I did manage to make him lose his glasses & then he got chased away by my Adams Morgan friendy neighbors!! Then I had dreams for months about stomping his face in with my docs. Sorry, all...I hope that wasn't too graphic. - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Viteri, Ursulina [SMTP:ursulina.viteri@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, January 12, 1998 11:10 AM > To: 'O'Brien, Jeannette'; 'Whiteside, John'; 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > Subject: RE: Rude Cagers > > Did they ever find his carcass? : - ) > > Ursulina Viteri > 202-416-6534 * Fax 202-223-9095 > AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. - Washington, DC > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: O'Brien, Jeannette [SMTP:jlobrien@XXXXXX] > >Sent: Monday, January 12, 1998 7:46 AM > >To: 'Whiteside, John'; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >Subject: RE: Rude Cagers > > > >I agree with you in general. I've only had psychos so far in VA, but > >then again, I did get attacked once in DC when someone tried to run > me > >over! I taught him, though!! hee hee hee > > > >- Jeannette > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Whiteside, John [SMTP:jwhiteside@XXXXXX] > >> Sent: Monday, January 12, 1998 10:33 AM > >> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >> Subject: RE: Rude Cagers > >> > >> Actually I find the drivers in Virginia a lot scarier than in the > >> District.... > >> > >> --John Whiteside, Virginia commuter, District resident (for a few > more > >> weeks) > >> > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- > >> > From: Collin T. Fagan [SMTP:gixer@XXXXXX] > >> > Sent: Friday, January 09, 1998 6:40 PM > >> > To: Jinn Sinn > >> > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >> > Subject: Re: Rude Cagers > >> > > >> > Normally if I can avoid them in general I do and just chalk up > >> another > >> > idiotic > >> > move to BDC's....But if they're getting close and the 132db horn > >> does > >> > not dissuade > >> > them, I've been known on numerous occasions (yeah I go into the > >> > district daily) to > >> > plant a size 10 steel toed/shanked boot hard into the nearest > body > >> > panel....(then > >> > I head for the nearest escape path and put some distance between > me > >> > and them to > >> > avoid the aforementioned psychopaths)... And yes, nothing makes a > >> > statement like a > >> > COLT!!!! > >> > Collin > >> > > >> > Jinn Sinn wrote: > >> > > >> > > ok...this morning, riding to work on the parkway (Rock Creek) > the > >> > lanes are > >> > > merging cause some idiot is blocking traffic in one lane. I'm > in > >> the > >> > left > >> > > lane, car in the right lane and slightly BEHIND me (so she > >> > DEFINATELY SAW > >> > > ME)......pulls about 3/4 of the way into my lane forcing me to > go > >> > left into > >> > > the left-turn lane where fortunately there were no other > >> cars....her > >> > window > >> > > was down, my visor was up and I yelled "Hey!" (wellll......I > >> > couldn't think of > >> > > anything else on the spur of the moment and my horn doesn't > >> > work....) her > >> > > response was to shrug and proceed to take up the remaining 1/4 > of > >> > the > >> > > lane...........argh! > >> > > > >> > > marcy > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > _________________________________________ > >> > Collin and Penny Fagan > >> > LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard > >> > (202) 366-0067 (work) > >> > (703) 356-4279 (home) > >> > ICQ UIN: 435732 > >> > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ > >> > (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) > >> > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 12 11:33:13 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA19104; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 11:33:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA12059; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 00:32:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from italy.it.earthlink.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA06513; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 11:32:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from [153.35.88.175] (1Cust201.tnt2.tco2.da.uu.net [153.34.245.201]) by italy.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA19723 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 08:32:43 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: level_5_ltd@XXXXXX Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D37EB95@badge.tuckerflyer.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 11:34:53 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Alan Lapp Subject: Re: Sorry, Missed Sunday... Going through tolls on a bike with heavy gloves on is a royal >pain in the butt, though! > >- Jeannette Tape exact change to your gas tank. Al level_5_ltd@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 12 11:50:28 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA19417; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 11:50:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA12811; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 11:50:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA00523; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 11:50:19 -0500 (EST) From: Jinn Sinn Message-ID: <63fe6604.34ba49c5@aol.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 11:50:11 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: RE: Rude Cagers Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) In a message dated 1/12/98 10:54:12 AM, jlobrien@XXXXXX wrote: <> was that guy whose ass you thoroughly kicked? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 12 12:38:37 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA20170; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 12:38:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA13529; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 12:38:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA01853; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 12:38:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id MAA02112 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 12:37:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid02.mcit.com [166.37.221.14]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id MAA12384 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 12:37:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from LJTanner.mcit.com ([166.32.84.59]) by imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19980112173728.XBRN28757@XXXXXX> for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 11:37:28 -0600 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 12:37:26 -0500 Message-ID: <01BD1F56.D68C2840.linda.tanner@mci.com> From: Linda Tanner To: "Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: FW: Sorry, Missed Sunday... Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 12:37:24 -0500 Organization: MCI Telecommunications X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Speaking of things that are a pain on a bike... Our parking garage at work has cute little hangtags to get into the garage. I've finally convinced them that it is not practical on a motorcycle, so they just wave me through. Now, my gym is in a hotel and they are going to use the same scheme. Currently, I have to stop and take a ticket and have it validated. The hotel management has decided that they are killing too many trees, so they want us to have cute little hangtags. AARRRRRGGGGGHHHHH. I am probably they only person that rides into this garage so who knows how this will be resolved. Maybe I'll just (when I get to the entrance): 1) stop the bike 2) put down the kickstand (tricky - steep incline) 3) take off gloves 4) hunt through pockets - I've got 10 or 12 on my jacket 5) finally find card 6) wave it at the attendant 7) put card away 8) put gloves back on 9) put up kickstand 10) ride into lot Now, if the line to get in behind me isn't 10 cars long, I might have to do this more than once. What we go through for our chosen passion. LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze -----Original Message----- From: Alan Lapp [SMTP:level_5_ltd@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, January 12, 1998 11:35 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Sorry, Missed Sunday... Going through tolls on a bike with heavy gloves on is a royal >pain in the butt, though! > >- Jeannette Tape exact change to your gas tank. Al level_5_ltd@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 12 12:38:38 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA20175; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 12:38:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA13532; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 12:38:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.clark.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA01856; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 12:38:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from explorer.clark.net (louis@XXXXXX [168.143.0.7]) by mail.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA27456; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 12:38:13 -0500 (EST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Received: (from louis@localhost) by explorer.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA23983; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 12:38:03 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199801121738.MAA23983@explorer.clark.net> Subject: Re: Sunday Trip Report To: MEIERCH@XXXXXX (Meier, Christopher) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 12:38:02 -0500 (EST) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) In-Reply-To: <11D743514607D011A15500805FEA3464A45DC8@xcgva001.grumman.com> from "Meier, Christopher" at Jan 12, 98 04:58:02 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24alpha3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > I second that ... Great ride Steve. I guess MD _does_ have some good > roads! ;-) The roads were fantastic, even if we were a tad over 20% of the speed limit. (I'm a math major, I calculate these things! :-) ) > BTW, for those still interested ... the Coast racing was won by a gold > Volvo station wagon! Darn Volvos! One other thing I learned on the ride, or actually just before the ride, is that the tire plug kit I bought last year seems to work. (Someone got a screw in his tire) Sorry we had to verify it though (I forgot whose bike it was). Did the plug hold the whole way? Did you stay under the recommended 45 mph? At least now I have a better idea of how it works. It's one thing to read the directions, another to actually see it being done. Louis From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 12 12:48:55 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA20379; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 12:48:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA13794; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 12:48:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from m-net.arbornet.org by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA02089; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 12:48:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (bmccoy@localhost) by m-net.arbornet.org (8.8.5/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA17991 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 12:40:33 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 12:40:32 -0500 (EST) From: Brian McCoy To: DC-Cycles list Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I give up... I'm going home sick.. maybe tomorrow I can play somemore... Brian P. McCoy - 86' VF500fg (street) - 92/94 RS125 (race) bmccoy@XXXXXX (work) (301)210-8000 x 2155 (work) bmccoy@XXXXXX (personal) (301)445-4451 (home) www.geocities.com\motorcity\1319 (OLD Homepage - view at your own risk) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 12 13:13:34 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA21065; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 13:13:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA14598; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 13:13:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from DONALD.CDER.FDA.GOV by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA02827; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 13:13:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from mr.cder.fda.gov by fdaserv.cder.fda.gov (PMDF V5.1-8 #21467) id <01ISAGWW2BS08ZHZJ6@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 13:09:42 EST Received: with PMDF-MR; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 13:01:22 -0500 (EST) MR-Received: by mta DONALD; Relayed; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 13:01:22 -0500 Alternate-recipient: prohibited Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 13:01:47 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy Subject: parking garages Re: FW: Sorry, Missed Sunday... To: DC Cycles Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Posting-date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 13:01:48 -0500 (EST) Importance: normal Priority: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential UA-content-id: E1120IEV2SXM2 X400-MTS-identifier: [;22103121108991/2247420@FDACD] A1-type: MAIL Hop-count: 1 >Our parking garage at work has cute little hangtags to get into the >garage. I've finally convinced them that it is not practical on a >motorcycle, so they just wave me through. Now, my gym is in a hotel and >they are going to use the same scheme. Currently, I have to stop and take >a ticket and have it validated. The hotel management has decided that >they are killing too many trees, so they want us to have cute little >hangtags. AARRRRRGGGGGHHHHH. I am probably they only person that rides >into this garage so who knows how this will be resolved. One of our buildings uses your ID and a parking permit for the parking garage. After losing my ID and parking permit a couple of times I decided I'd try something I'd seen in the Roadcrafter (aerostich) catalog. On the left arm and left leg of the suit there's velcro to put map pockets. I bought a map pocket for my arm and I keep my ID and parking permit in there. Life is easy now. They've also got map pockets that don't require the velcro. Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 12 14:00:21 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA21986; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 14:00:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA15815; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 13:59:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA04356; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 13:59:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov ([137.187.221.31]) by dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov (8.8.5/8.7.2) with ESMTP id NAA19300; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 13:58:24 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <34BA6770.7C49CADA@dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov> Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 13:56:48 -0500 From: jay goddard X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Griff, David" , "cbxturbo@XXXXXX" , "\"Michael R. Cecchini\"" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: HELP 2 or more bike trailer needed Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey, Does anybody have a trailer that they would not mind lending to a stranger for the 23rd through 26th of January? I would be happy to rent, barter or what ever for it. It would be going to Roebling Road for a track day. Thanks ALOT, Jay Goddard 301-435-3427 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 12 14:00:24 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA21992; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 14:00:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA15855; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 14:00:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA04370; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 14:00:11 -0500 (EST) From: JD6201md Message-ID: <15e2a983.34ba639d@aol.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 13:40:28 EST To: balt-cycles@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: 1998 AMA District 7 events schedule Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Here's the AMA sanctioned events schedule for the MD-DC-DE area for '98. Road and off-road events are merged together. Enjoy! 1998 SCHEDULE OF EVENTS MARCH 1 MX - Start 8 AM - (Y-S-Q) Y Pts 4 Stroke & Vintage Pts Q Pts - Budds Creek MX Park, Budds Creek, MD(301)475-2000. 8 MX - Start 9 AM - MAMA Youth Only - Budds Creek MX Park, Budds Creek, MD(410)239-1908. 14 Short Track - Practice - Flea Market - 1 PM - Exp Pts Y Pts - (A-Y-S) Trail-Way Speedway, 100 Speedway Lane, Hanover, PA (717)359-4310. 15 Hare Scrambles - Start 10 AM (A-Q) HS Pts Q Pts Budds Creek MX Park, Budds Creek, MD(301)475-2000. 15 MX - Start 8 AM - (Y-S) Exp Pts - Budds Creek MX Park, Budds Creek, MD(301)475-2000. 15 MX - Start 11 AM - (A-Y-S) Double Track Points - Doublin Gap MX, Rt 696, Shippensburg, PA (717)249-6036. 15 MX - Start 9 AM - MAMA Youth Only - Happy Ramblers, 4340 Hanover Road, Route 116, Hanover, PA (410) 239-1908. 21 Short Track - Start - 1 PM - (A-Y-S) Exp Pts Y Pts - Trail-Way Speedway, 100 Speedway Lane, Hanover, PA (717)359-4310. 21 MX - AM/YOUTH QUALIFIER - Start 11 AM - (A-Y-S) Doublin Gap MX, Rt 696 - 6 miles North of Shippensburg, Newburg, PA (717)249-6036. 22 MX - AM/YOUTH QUALIFIER - Start 11 AM - (A-Y-S) Doublin Gap MX, Rt 696 - 6 miles North of Shippensburg, Newburg, PA (717)249-6036. 22 MX - Start 9 AM - MAMA Youth Only - Delaware Motor Sports, Seaford, DE (410)239-1908. 22 Hare Scrambles - Start 10:30AM - (A-Q) HS Pts Q Pts - Antietam MX Park, 2 miles East of Hagerstown on Howell Road, Hagerstown, MD (301)797-8686. 22 MX - Start 9 AM (A-Y-S-Q) Q Pts - Hyper Sports, Glengary, West Virginia (540) 888-4027. 22 Vintage Observed Trials - Start 12Noon - Western Maryland Motorcycle Assn., Pearre Road, Union Bridge, MD (410)775-7209. 22 ROAD MEET (Fun Run) - Start 10 AM - Motorcycle Accident Victims Foundation, Price's Corner, Rt 2, Newark, DE (800) MAV-3070. 28 Short Track - Start 1 PM - (A-Y-S) Exp Pts Y Pts - Trail-way Speedway, 100 Speedway Lane, Hanover, PA (717) 359-4310. 29 MX - Start 9 AM - (A-Y-S) - Happy Ramblers, 4340 Hanover Road, Route 116, Hanover, PA (717)633-7708. 29 MX - Start 8:30 AM - (A-Y-S) Exp Pts Y Pts - Middle Atlantic Moto-Cross Association, Seaford Speedway, County Rd 525, Seaford, DE (410)239-1908. APRIL 4 Short Track - Start 1PM - (A-Y-S) Exp Pts Y Pts - Trail-Way Speedway, 100 Speedway Lane, Hanover, PA (717)359-4310. 4 MX - AM/YOUTH QUALIFIER - Start 8AM (A-Y) Budds Creek MX Park, Budds Creek, MD (301) 475-2000. 5 MX - AM/YOUTH QUALIFIER - Start 8AM (A-Y-Q) - 4 Stroke & Vintage Pts Q Pts - Budds Creek MX Park, Budds Creek, MD (301) 475-2000. 5 MX - Start 11 AM - (A-Y-S) Y Pts - Doublin Gap MX Park, Rt 696, 6 miles North of Shippensburg, Newburg, PA (717) 249-6036. 5 Hare Scrambles - Start 11AM - (A-Q) HS Pts Q Pts - Budds Creek MX Park, Budds Creek, MD (301) 475-2000. 11 Short Track - Start 7PM - (A-Y-S) Exp Pts Y Pts - Trail-Way Speedway, 100 Speedway Lane, Hanover, PA (717)359-4310. 12 MX - Start 9AM - (A-Y-S) - Happy Ramblers, 4340 Hanover Road, Rt 116, Hanover, PA (717)633-7708. 18 Short Track - Start 7:30 PM - (A-Y-S) Exp Pts Y Pts - Delaware Motor Sport, Seaford Speedway, County Rd 525, Seaford, DE (302)422-8661. 19 MX - Start 10:30 AM - (A-Y-S) Y Pts 4 Stroke & Vintage Pts - Antietam MX Park, 2 miles East of Hagerstown on Howell Road, Hagerstown, MD (301)797-8686. 19 MX - Start 9AM - MAMA Youth Only - Budds Creek MX park, Budds Creek, Budds Creek, MD (410) 239-1908. 19 MX - Start 11AM - (A-Y-S) 5' Trophies - Sponsored by ORCS - Doublin Gap MX, Rt 696, 6 miles North of Shippensburg, Newburg, PA (717) 249-6036. 19 Hare Scrambles - Start 10AM - (A-Y-S-Q) HS Pts Q Pts - Western Maryland Off Road Riders, Cliffside Off Road Park, Rawlings, MD (301)724-6738. 19 Short Track - Start 9AM - (A-Y-S) Exp Pts Y Pts - Shippensburg Speedway, 180 Walnut Bottom Road, Shippensburg, PA (717) 796-0294. 25 Short Track - Start 7PM - (A-Y-S) Exp Pts Y Pts - Trail-Way Speedway, 100 Speedway Lane, Hanover, PA (717)359-4310. RAIN DATE 4/26 ONLY START 1PM. 26 MX - Start 9AM - MAMA Youth Only - Budds Creek MX Park, Budds Creek, MD(410)239-1908. 26 MX - Start 9AM - (A-Y-S) Exp Pts - Happy Ramblers, 4340 Hanover Road, Rt 116, Hanover, PA (717) 633-7708. 26 Hare Scrambles - Start 9AM - (A-Y-S) HS Pts - Delaware Enduro Riders, Gunning Bedford School, Delaware City, DE (302) 834-4411. 26 Road Meet (Poker Run) - Start 10AM - Baltimore Ramblers, 5513 Deer Park Road, Reisterstown, MD (410) 833-5795. MAY 2 Short Track - Start 5PM - (A-Y-S) Exp Pts Y Pts - Baltimore County Trail Riders, Potomac Speedway, Potomac, MD (410) 661-MOTO. 2 MX - Start 9AM - (A-Y-S-Q) Q Pts - Baltimore County Trail Riders, Budds Creek MX Park, Budds Creek, MD (410) 661-MOTO. 3 Blue/Gray MX - Start 9AM (A-Y-S-) Exp Pts Y Pts 4 Stroke & Vintage Pts - Baltimore County Trail Riders, Budds Creek MX Park, Budds Creek, MD (410) 661-MOTO. 3 Hare Scrambles - Start 10AM - (A-Q) HS Pts Q Pts - Budds Creek MX Park, Budds Creek, MD (410) 475-2000. 3 Road Meet (Dice Run) - Start 10AM - Blue Ridge Road Riders, Inc., JT Motorsports, 5848 Urbana Pike (Rt 355), Frederick, MD (410) 374-9687. 9 MX Practice - Start 11AM - (A-Y-S) - Doublin Gap MX Park, Rt 696 - 6miles North of Shippensburg, Newburg, PA (717) 249-6036. 9 Short Track - Start 7PM - (A-Y-S) - Exp Pts Y Pts - Trail-way Speedway, 100 Speedway Lane, Hanover, PA (717) 359-4310. 10 MX - Mama Youth Only - Start 11AM - Doublin Gap MX Park, Rt 696 - 6miles North of Shippensburg, Newburg, PA (410) 239-1908. 10 MX - Start 9AM - (A-Y-S) - Happy Ramblers MC Club, 4340 Hanover Road, Rt 116, Hanover, PA (717) 633-7708. 10 MX - Start 9AM - (A-Y-S-Q) - Hyper Sports MX Club, Glengary, WV (540) 888-4027 (304) 267-7852. 17 MX - Start 10:30AM - (A-Y-S) Exp Pts - Antietam MX Park, 2 miles East of Hagerstown on Howell Road, Hagerstown, MD (301) 797-8686. 17 MX - Mama Youth Only - Start 9AM - Budds Creek MX Park, Budds Creek, MD (410) 239-1908. 17 MX - Sponsored by Ephrata Cycle - Product Give-A-Way - Start 11AM - (A-Y-S) - Y Pts - Doublin Gap MX Park, Rt 696 - 6 miles North of Shippensburg, Newburg, PA (717) 249-6036. 17 MX - Start 9AM - (A-Q) Q Pts - Flying Dutchman MX Club - Rte 895, Pine Grove, PA (717) 345-6340. 17 Road Meet (CHARITY Poker Run) - Start 10AM - Diamonds MC Club, Dillards Restaurant, US 13, Seaford, DE (302) 398-9193. 23 Short Track - Start 3PM (A-Y-S) Exp Pts Y Pts - Two Wheels Promotions, Path Valley Speedway, Willow Hill, PA (717) 426-2910. 24 1/2 Mile - Start 3PM - (A-Y-S) Exp Pts Y Pts - Two Wheels Promotions, Port Royal Speedway, Rt 75, Port Royal, PA (717) 426-2910. 25 1/2 Mile - Start 9AM - (A-Y-S) Exp Pts Y Pts - Two Wheels Promotions, Port Royal Speedway, Rt 75, Port Royal, PA (717) 426-2910. 30 MX - Sponsored by JT Motorsports - Start 11AM - (A-Y-S) - Doublin Gap MX Park, Rt 696 - 6 miles North of Shippensburg, Newburg, PA (717) 249-6036. 30 Short Track - Start 7PM - (A-Y-S) Exp Pts Y Pts - Trail-Way Speedway, 100 Speedway Lane, Hanover, PA (717) 359-4310. 31 MX - Mama Youth Only - Start 9AM - Budds Creek MX Park, Budds Creek, MD (410) 239-1908. 31 MX - Sponsored by JT Motorsports - Product Give-A-Way - Start 11AM - Exp Pts 4 Stroke & Vintage Pts - Doublin Gap MX Park, Rt 696 - 6 miles North of Shippensburg, Newburg, PA (717) 249-6036. 31 Hare Scrambles - Start Noon for Bikes / 2PM Quads (A-Q) - HS Pts Q Pts - Hyper Sports MX Club, Glengary, WV (540) 888-4027 (304) 267-7852. JUNE 7 MX - Start 10:30AM - (A-Y-S) - Antietam MX Park, 2 miles East of Hagerstown on Howell Road, Hagerstown, MD (301) 797-8686. 7 MX - Start 9AM - (A-Y-S) - Y Pts - Happy Ramblers MC Club, 4340 Hanover Road, Hanover, PA (717) 633-7708. 7 MX - Mama Youth Only - Start 9AM - Hyper Sports MX Club, Glengary, WV (410) 239-1908. 7 Enduro - Start 8AM - Green Marble Enduro Riders, Cliffside Off Road Park, Rawlings, MD (410) 655-7958. 7 Road Meet (CHARITY Poker Run) Start 10AM - Blue Ridge Road Riders, JT Motorsports, 5848 Urbana Pike (Rte 355), Frederick, MD (410) 374-9687. 12 1/2 Mile Dirt Track - Start 3PM - (A-Y-S) Exp Pts - ABATE of Maryland, Cumberland Raceway, Cumberland, MD (301) 620-1162. 13 Short Track - Start 7PM - (A-Y-S) Exp Pts Y Pts - Trail-Way Speedway, 100 Speedway Lane, Hanover, PA (717) 359-4310. 14 MX - Mama Youth Only - Start 9AM - Happy Ramblers, 4340 Hanover Road, Rt 116, Hanover, PA (410) 239-1908. 14 MX - Start 9AM - (A-Y-S-Q) Exp Pts 4 Stroke & Vintage Pts Q Pts - Hyper Sports MX Club, Glengary, WV (540) 888-4027 (304) 267-7852. 14 Road Meet (Poker Run) - Start 10AM - Md. Comp. Riders, Cycle Connection, Rt 1 - Washington Blvd, Elkridge, MD (410) 781-7521. 19 MX - Start 6AM - (A-Y) - Budds Creek MX Park, Budds Creek, MD (301) 475-2000. 19 MX Night - Start 6PM - (A-Y) - Budds Creek MX Park, Budds Creek, MD (301) 475-2000. 20 MX - Start 6AM - (A-Y) - Budds Creek MX Park, Budds Creek, MD (301) 475-2000. 20 MX Night - Start 6PM - (A-Y) - Budds Creek MX Park, Budds Creek, MD (301) 475-2000. 20 Hare Scrambles - Start 10AM - (A-Y) - Budds Creek MX Park, Budds Creek, MD (301) 475-2000. 20 Road Meet (Poker Run) - Start 4PM - Baltimore Ramblers, 5513 Deer Park Road, Reisterstown, MD (410) 833-5795. 20 Short Track - Start 3PM - (A-Y-S) Exp Pts Y Pts - Two Wheel Promotions, Path Valley Speedway, Willow Hill, PA (717) 426-2910/4756. 26-28 Road Meet (Show/Rally) - Start 8AM - Mid-Atlantic Women's MC Rally, 5707 Kenwood Avenue, Balto, MD (410) 665-4928. 27 MX Practice Only - Start 11AM - Doublin Gap MX Park, Rt 696 - 6 miles North of Shippensburg, Newburg, PA (717) 249-6036. 27 Short Track - Start 7PM - (A-Y-S) Exp Pts Y Pts - Trail-Way Speedway, 100 Speedway Lane, Hanover, PA (717) 359-4310. 28 MEDALIST MX-District 7 - Start 11AM - (A-Y-S) EXP Pts Y Pts 4 Stroke & Vintage Pts - Double Gap MX Park, Rt 696 - 6 miles North of Shippensburg, Newburg, PA (717) 249-6036. 28 Hare Scrambles - Start 10AM - (A-Y-S-Q) HS Pts Q Pts - Western MD Off Road Riders, Cliffside Off Road Park, Rawlings, MD (301) 759-3237. 28 Road Meet - Start 9AM - Western Maryland M.A. - McDonalds, I 70 at Rt 17, Myersville, MD (410) 775-7209. JULY 11 MX Vintage Only Regional - Start 8AM - Budds Creek MX Park, Budds Creek, MD (301) 475-2000. 11 Short Track - Start 7PM - (A-Y-S) Exp Pts Y Pts - Trail-Way Speedway, 100 Speedway Lane, Hanover, MD (717) 359-4310. 12 MX - Start 8AM - (Y-S-Q) Exp Pts Y Pts Q Pts - Budds Creek MX Park, Budds Creek, MD (301) 475-2000. 12 Hare Scrambles - Start 11AM - (A-Q) HS Pts Q Pts - Budds Creek MX Park, Budds Creek, MD (301) 475-2000. 15 Short Track - Start 5PM - (A-Y-S) Exp Pts Y Pts - Baltimore County Trail Riders, Timonium State Fairgrounds, Timonium, MD (410) 661-MOTO. 18 Road Meet (National Poker Run) - Start 3PM - Baltimore Ramblers, 5513 Deer Park Road (Clubhouse), Reisterstown, MD (410) 833-5795. 18 Short Track - Start 3PM - (A-Y-S) Exp Pts Y Pts - Two Wheel Promotions, Path Valley Speedway, Willow Hill, PA (717) 426-2910. 19 MX - Mama Youth Only - Start 9AM - Budds Creek MX Park, Budds Creek, MD (410) 239-1908. 19 MX - Start 9AM - (A-Y-S) Y Pts - Hyper Sports MX Club, Glengary, WV (540) 888-4027 (304) 267-7852. 19 Road Meet (Scavenger Hunt) - Start 10AM - Diamond Motorcycle Club, US 13, Diamond Motor Sports Center, Camden,DE(302)398-9193. 22 Short Track - Start 5PM - (A-Y-S) Exp Pts Y Pts - Baltimore County Trail Riders, Timonium State Fairgrounds, Timonium, MD (410) 661-MOTO. 25 MX - Start 11AM - (A-Y-S) - Doublin Gap MX Park, Rt 696 - 6 miles North of Shippensburg, Newburg, PA (717) 249-6036. 25 Short Track - Start 7:30PM - (A-Y-S) Exp Pts Y Pts - Delaware MotorSports, Seaford Speedway, County Road 525, Seaford, DE (302) 422-8661. 26 MX - Sponsored by West Shore Suzuki - 4' Trophies - Start 11AM - (A-Y-S) Exp Pts - Doublin Gap MX Park, Rt 696 - 6 miles North of Shippensburg, Newburg, PA (717) 249-6036. 26 MX - Start 9AM - (A-Q) Quad Pts - Flying Dutchman MX Club, Rte 895, Pine Grove, PA (717) 345-6340. 29 Short Track - Start 5PM - (A-Y-S) Exp Pts Y Pts - Baltimore County Trail Riders, Timonium State Fairgrounds, Timonimum, MD (410) 661-MOTO. AUGUST 1 Short Track - Start 7:30PM - (A-Y-S) Exp Pts Y Pts - Delaware Motor Sport, Seaford Speedway, County Rd 525, Seaford, DE (302)422-8661. 2 MX - Start 8AM - (Y-S) - Budds Creek MX Park, Budds Creek, MD (301) 475-2000. 2 Hare Scrambles - Start 10AM - (A) HS Pts - Budds Creek MX Park, Budds Creek, MD (301) 475-2000. 5 Short Track - Start 5PM - (A-Y-S) Exp Pts Y Pts - Baltimore county Trail Riders, Timonium State Fairgrounds, Timonium, MD (410) 661-MOTO. 7-9 Road Meet (Poker Run-8/8) - Start Noon - Motorcycle Accident Victims Foundation, Uncle Bob's Fair Hill, Fair Hill, MD (800) MAV-3070. 8 Short Track - Start 7PM - (A-Y-S) Exp Pts Y Pts - Trail-Way Speedway, 100 Speedway Lane, Hanover, PA (717) 359-4310. 9 MX - Start 10:30AM - (A-Y-S) 4 Stroke & Vintage Pts - Antietam MX Park, 2 miles East of Hagerstown on Howell Road, Hagerstown, MD (301) 797-8686. 9 MX - Start 9AM - (A-Q) Quad Pts - Flying Dutchman MX Club, Rte 895, Pine Grove, PA (717) 345-6340. 9 Hare Scrambles - Start Noon for Bikes/2PM for Quads - (A-Q) Quad Pts - Hyper Sports MX Club, Glengary, WV (540) 888-4027 (304) 267-7852. 15 Short Track - Start 3PM - (A-Y-S) Exp Pts Y Pts - Two Wheel Promotions, Path Valley Speedway, Willow Hill, PA (717) 426-2910. 16 MX - Sponsored by Cumberland Kawasaki, Answer, Silkolene, Pierreli - 5 Trophies - Factory Contingencies - Start 11AM - (A-Y-S) - Doublin Gap MX Park, Rt 696 - 6 miles North of Shippensburg, Newburg, PA (717) 249-6036. 16 MX - Mama Youth Only - Start 9AM - Hyper Sports MX Club, Glengary, WV (410) 239-1908. 23 MX - Start 8AM - (Y-S-Q) Exp Pts Q Pts - Southern Maryland Dirt Riders, Budds Creek MX Park, Budds Creek, MD (301) 475-2000. 23 MX - Start 11AM - (A-Y-S) Y Pts - Doublin Gap MX Park, Rt 696 - 6 miles North of Shippensburg, Newburg, PA (717) 249-6036. 23 Road Meet (Poker Run) - Start 10AM - Blue Ridge Road Riders, JT Motorsports, 5848 Urbana Pike Rt 355, Frederick MD (410) 374-9687. 23 Short Track - Gates Open 9AM - (A-Y-S) Exp Pts Y Pts - Shippensburg MC, Shippensburg Speedway, 180 Walnut Bottom Road, Shippensburg, PA (717) 796-0294. 28 Short Track - Start 7PM - (A-Y-S) Exp Pts Y Pts - Trail-Way Speedway, 100 Speedway Lane, Hanover, PA (717)359-4310. 30 MX - Mama Youth Only - Start 9AM - Budds Creek MX Park, Budds Creek, MD (410) 239-1908. 30 MX - Start 9AM - (A-Y-S) Y Pts - Hyper Sports MX Club, Glengary, WV (540) 888-4027. 30 Hare Scrambles - Start 10AM (A-Y-S-Q) HS Pts Q Pts - Western Md Off Road Riders, Cliffside Off Road Park, Rawlings, MD (301) 724-6738. 30 Road Meet (Poker Run) - Start 12Noon - Antietam MX Park, 2 miles East of Hagerstown on Howell Road, Hagerstown, MD (301) 797-1607. SEPTEMBER 6 MX - Mama Youth Only - Start 9AM - Budds Creek MX Park, Budds Creek, MD (410) 239-1908. 6 MX - Start 9AM - (A-Q) Quad Pts - Flying Dutchman MX Club, Rte 895, Pine Grove, PA (717) 345-6340. 6 Short Track - Start 3PM - (A-Y-S) Exp Pts Y Pts - Shippensburg MC, Shippensburg Speedway, 180 Walnut Bottom Road, Shippensburg, PA (717) 796-0294. 12 MX Practice Only - Start 11AM - Doublin Gap MX Park, Rt 696 - 6 miles North of Shippensburg, Newburg, PA (717) 249-6036. 12 Short Track - Start 7PM - (A-Y-S) Exp Pts Y Pts - Trail-Way Speedway, 100 Speedway Lane, Hanover, PA (717) 359-4310. 13 MX - Mama Youth Only - Start 11AM - Doublin Gap MX Park, Rt 696 - 6 miles North of Shippensburg, Newburg, PA (410) 239-1908. 13 Champagne MX - Start 8AM - EXP Pts Y Pts 4 Stroke & Vintage Pts - Maryland Competition Riders, Happy Ramblers MX Track, 4340 Hanover Road, Rt 116, Hanover, PA (410)922-0334. 13 Road Meet (Vintage Poker Run) - Start 11AM - Western Maryland M.A., Community Park, Frederick Road (Rt 806), Thurmont, MD (410) 775-7209. 13 Road Meet (CHARITY - Parade) - Start 10AM - Pediatric Brain Tumor Foundation & Honda America, Columbia Mall, Columbia, MD (410) 268-7590. 19 Short Track - Start 7:30PM - (A-Y-S) Exp Pts Y Pts - Delaware Motor Sports, Seaford Speedway, County Road 525, Seaford, DE (302) 422-8661. 20 MX - Stan & Dorothy Miles Memorial - Start 10:30AM - (A-Y-S) Exp Pts - Antietam MX Park, 2 miles East of Hagerstown on Howell Road, Hagerstown, MD (301) 797-8686. 20 MX - Sponsored by Roxy's Kawasaki - 6' Trophies - Start 11AM - (A-Y-S) - Doublin Gap MX Park, Rt 696 - 6 miles North of Shippensburg, Newburg, PA (717) 249-6036. 20 Road Meet (Poker Run) - Start 10AM - Baltimore Ramblers, 5513 Deer Park Road, Reisterstown, MD (410) 833-5795. 26 Short Track - Start 7PM - (A-Y-S) Exp Pts Y Pts - Trail-Way Speedway, 100 Speedway Lane, Hanover, PA (717) 359-4310. RAIN DATE 9/27 ONLY - START 1PM 27 MX - Mama Youth Only - Start 9AM - Budds Creek MX Park, Budds Creek, MD (410) 239-1908. 27 MX - Start 9AM - (A-Y-S) Exp Pts Y Pts - Happy Ramblers, 4340 Hanover Road - Rt 116, Hanover, PA (717) 633-7708. 27 Road Meet (Post Office Run) Start 10AM - 4-Seasons Road Riders, Butler Fire Hall, Falls Road, Butler, MD (410)876-4510/(301)831-7189. OCTOBER 3 short Track - Start 7:30PM - (A-Y-S) Exp Pts Y Pts - Delaware Motor Sports, Seaford Speedway, County Road 525, Seaford, DE (302) 422-8661. 3 Hare Scrambles - Start 12 Noon - (A-S-Q) Quad Pts - Western Maryland Off Road Riders, Cliffside Off Road Park, Rawlings, MD (301) 724-6738. 4 Hare Scrambles - Start 12 Noon - (A-S) HS Pts - Western Maryland Off Road Riders, Cliffside Off Road Park, Rawlings, MD (301) 724-6730. 4 MX - Start 9AM - (A-Y-S-Q) - Hyper Sports MX Club, Glengary, WV (540)888-4027 (304) 267-7852. 4 MX - Mama Youth Only - Start 9AM - Seaford Speedway, County Road 525, Seaford, DE (410) 239-1908. 4 Road Meet (Poker Run) - Start 10AM - Maryland Competition Riders, Roy Rogers, Ridgeville Boulevard, Mt. Airy, MD(410) 781-7521. 10 Short Track - Practice & Flea Market - Start 1PM - (A-Y-S) Exp Pts Y Pts - Trail-Way Speedway, 100 Speedway Lane, Hanover, PA (717)359-4310. RAIN DATE 10/11 1PM 11 MX - Start 9AM - (A-Y-S) - Happy Ramblers Motorcycle Club, 4340 Hanover Road, Rt 116, Hanover, PA (717) 633-7708. 11 MX - Start 8:30AM - (A-Y-S-Q) Exp Pts Y Pts Q Pts - Middle Atlantic Moto- Cross Association, Seaford Speedway, Seaford, DE (410) 239-1908. 11 Hare Scrambles (ECEA) - Start - Bikes Noon/Quads 3PM - (A-Q) ECEA Pts HS Pts Quad Pts - Md Competition Riders, Budds Creek MX Park, Budds Creek, MD(301)475-2000. 17 Short Track - Start 3PM - (A-Y-S) Exp Pts Y Pts - Two Wheel Promotions, Path Valley Speedway, Willow Hill, PA (717) 426-2910/4756. 18 MX - Start 10:30AM - (A-Y-S) Y Pts - Antietam MX Park, 2 miles East of Hagerstown on Howell Road, Hagerstown, MD (301)797-8686. 18 MX - Start 9AM - Mama Youth Only - Happy Ramblers, 4340 Hanover Road, Rt 116, Hanover, PA (410) 239-1908. 18 Road Meet (DISTRICT 7 POKER RUN) Start 10AM - Park & Ride, Rt 27 & 30, Manchester, MD (410) 374-9687. ?? To end at MX ????? 24 Short Track - Start 7:30PM - (A-Y-S) Exp Pts Y Pts - Delaware Motor Sport, Seaford Speedway, County Rd 525, Seaford, DE (302) 422-8661. 24 Maryland State Championship - Start 9AM - (A-Y-S No Quads) MAMA Youth- Budds Creek MX Park, Budds Creek, MD(410) 239-1908. 25 Maryland State Championship - Start 8AM - (A-Y-S No Quads) Exp Pts 4 Stroke & Vintage Pts - Budds Creek MX Park, Budds Creek, MD(410) 239-1908. 25 MX - Start 11AM - (A-Y-S) Doublin Gap MX, Rt 696 - 6 miles North of Shippensburg, Newburg, PA (717) 249-6036. 25 Enduro - Start 7AM - (A) Delaware Enduro Riders, Governor Bacon Health Center, Delaware City, DE (302) 834-4411. NOVEMBER 1 MX - Start 8AM - (Y-S) Budds Creek MX Park, Budds Creek, MD (301) 475-2000. 1 MX - Start 11AM - (A-Y-S) Doublin Gap MX, Rt 696 - 6 miles North of Shippensburg, Newburg, PA (717) 249-6036. 1 MX - Start 9AM - (A-Y-S-Q) Quad Pts - Hyper Sports MX Club, Glengary, WV (540) 888-4027 (304) 267-7852. 8 MX - Start 8AM - (Y-S) Budds Creek MX Park, Budds Creek, MD (301) 475-2000. 8 MX - Start 9AM - (A-Y-S) Happy Ramblers, 4340 Hanover Road, Rt 116, Hanover, PA (717)633-7708. 8 Hare Scrambles - Start 10:30AM - (A-Q) - HS Pts - Antietam MX Park, 2 miles East of Hagerstown on Howell Road, Hagerstown, MD (301) 797-8686. 15 MX - Start 11AM - (A-Y-S) Doublin Gap MX, Rt 696 - 6 miles North of Shippensburg, Newburg, PA (717) 249-6036. JANUARY 1999 3 Hare Scrambles - Start 12 Noon/Quads 3PM - (A-Q) Maryland Competition Riders, Antietam MX Park, 2 miles East of Hagerstown on Howell Road, Hagerstown, MD (410) 922-0334. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 12 14:45:46 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA22713; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 14:45:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA18638; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 14:45:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from widgetworks.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA05597; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 14:45:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (from peter@localhost) by widgetworks.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) id OAA22205; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 14:45:06 -0500 (EST) From: Peter Johansson Message-Id: <199801121945.OAA22205@widgetworks.com> Subject: Re: 1998 AMA District 7 events schedule To: JD6201md@XXXXXX (JD6201md) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 14:45:06 -0500 (EST) Cc: balt-cycles@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <15e2a983.34ba639d@aol.com> from JD6201md at "Jan 12, 98 01:40:28 pm" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit JD writes: > Here's the AMA sanctioned events schedule for the MD-DC-DE area for '98. Road > and off-road events are merged together. Enjoy! Thanks once again for sending this off to the list. I couldn't find an events listing on the AMA web site, so I converted the list to HTML and put it up on the balt-cycles home page as I have done in previous years. For those who are not aware, there is a very minimal balt-cycles home page at: http://www.widgetworks.com/~peter/balt-cycles/ If anyone is interested on adding anything to this page, please contact me and I'll set you up. Peter Johansson peter@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 12 15:13:26 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA23230; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 15:13:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA19326; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 15:13:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA06207; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 15:12:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id PAA06673; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 15:12:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid02.mcit.com [166.37.221.14]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA03218; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 15:12:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19980112201220.XRSB28757@[166.41.242.141]>; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 14:12:20 -0600 Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 15:04 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: Kirk Roy CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: parking garages Re: FW: Sorry, Missed Sunday... X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980112201220.XRSB28757@[166.41.242.141]> > >Our parking garage at work has cute little hangtags to get into the > >garage. I've finally convinced them that it is not practical on a > >motorcycle, so they just wave me through. Now, my gym is in a hotel and > >they are going to use the same scheme. Currently, I have to stop and take > >a ticket and have it validated. The hotel management has decided that > >they are killing too many trees, so they want us to have cute little > >hangtags. AARRRRRGGGGGHHHHH. I am probably they only person that rides > >into this garage so who knows how this will be resolved. > >One of our buildings uses your ID and a parking permit for the parking >garage. After losing my ID and parking permit a couple of times I decided >I'd try something I'd seen in the Roadcrafter (aerostich) catalog. On the >left arm and left leg of the suit there's velcro to put map pockets. I >bought a map pocket for my arm and I keep my ID and parking permit in >there. Life is easy now. > >They've also got map pockets that don't require the velcro. Though flashing the tag is a problem, one Kirk has figured out, what about when your in the parking space? Don't you have to hang it on your rear-view for the security people to verify you? We don't have this problem (I park in the same work garage as Linda), and no one has ever complained. I think because the security knows my bike. Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 12 17:25:44 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA25923; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 17:25:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from ringding.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA25275; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 17:25:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net by ringding.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA26348; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 17:25:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from default ([12.68.77.83]) by mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA27941; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 22:24:29 +0000 Reply-To: "kevin thomas" From: "kevin thomas" To: "Linda Tanner" , "Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: Re: Sorry, Missed Sunday... Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 17:21:12 -0500 Message-ID: <01bd1fa8$645e2460$534d440c@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Linda-- U of MD has hanging parking permits you put on the rear view mirror. For motorcycles and convertibles, they have stickers. Maybe you could put one on a fork tube or rear fender. You can probably get a sticker made that replicates their tag for a few bucks, since the garage won't want to provide one for you. Later Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 12 18:54:24 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA27324; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 18:54:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA27695; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 18:54:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA02687; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 18:54:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (spg-tnt24s107.erols.com [207.172.118.107]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA01439 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 18:56:07 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <34BAAC97.121704C2@geocities.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 18:51:52 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Toll Booth Strategy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As Al said, Tape the individual tolls to your leg or tank. You get some strange looks from the toll booth operators, but it makes for a quick and easy passage even with heavy gloves on. -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 12 19:06:58 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA27456; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 19:06:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA27823; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 19:06:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from sweden.it.earthlink.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA02956; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 19:06:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from [153.34.247.235] (1Cust165.tnt4.tco2.da.uu.net [153.35.88.165]) by sweden.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA18829 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 16:06:42 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: level_5_ltd@XXXXXX Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199801121738.MAA23983@explorer.clark.net> References: <11D743514607D011A15500805FEA3464A45DC8@xcgva001.grumman.com> from "Meier, Christopher" at Jan 12, 98 04:58:02 am Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 19:08:20 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Alan Lapp Subject: Re: Sunday Trip Report >One other thing I learned on the ride, or actually just before the ride, >is that the tire plug kit I bought last year seems to work. (Someone >got a screw in his tire) Yes Louis, that would be me. I have to thank you for the use of your kit, otherwise, I'd have had to go home instead of riding with the group. >Sorry we had to verify it though (I forgot whose >bike it was). Did the plug hold the whole way? It certainly seems to have. I rode it today, and got caught in the sleet this afternoon. >Did you stay under the >recommended 45 mph? Sure... of course. I'll sell you some Arizona ocean-side property if you believe that. >At least now I have a better idea of how it works. The big thing is to ream the hole first to get any contaminants out. The glue won't seal well if the patch is dirty. If you drop the plug on the ground, throw it away. >It's one thing to read the directions, another to actually see it being done. I'm glad *someone* enjoyed it! Al level_5_ltd@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 12 22:07:37 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA29264; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 22:07:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA29516; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 22:06:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.mnsinc.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA05907; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 22:06:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay.mnsinc.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA24694 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 22:06:53 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <34BB04EE.53D@mnsinc.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 22:08:46 -0800 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Dulles Toll Road Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jeannette wrote: > Going through tolls on a bike with heavy gloves on is a royal > pain in the butt, though! And John Whiteside asked: > What do other folks do? > A friend of a friend supposedly mounted his fastoll box to his > windscreen and it works -- I tried this and it didn't at all. A buddy of mine had the FastToll box on his Concours and said he got just about up to 40 mph zipping through there. (I know it says 10 mph ;) Me, I'm a cheapskate. I regularly go to the Exact Change Only lane, making sure I have the requisite 4 bits in the side pouch of the tank bag. Then - invariably - I find quarters lying on the ground. Sidestand out, glove quickly off, pick up spare change, toss it in, and Sayonara baby. If there are more than two I leave them for the next cheapskate ;^D However, I was once berated by a toll booth worker for stealing from the state. I told him to call a cop. If it ain't down the chute, it's finders-keepers AFAIC. JK From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 00:31:58 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA01448; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 00:31:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA02296; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 00:31:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA00583; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 00:31:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-30.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.71]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA19773 for ; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 00:31:19 -0500 Message-ID: <000401bd1fe4$b4aa34e0$4710b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "dc-cycles" Subject: Re: Dulles Toll Road Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 00:32:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 A pain in the digits, the toll business. From Brookstone have a little 4-coin-type dispenser (holds about 20 of each) that is kept handy (in a little open fork bag or pocket). Cheaper, smaller at Trak. Can work with one un- or lightly- gloved hand, pushing out one coin at a time, turning it if necessary, or just lend it to moneyperson. Newly elusive payphone dimes right there too. Bay Bridge, etc., still require financial planning. Bill Swanson -----Original Message----- From: John C. Kozyn Date: Monday, January 12, 1998 10:13 PM >Jeannette wrote: > >> Going through tolls on a bike with heavy gloves on is a royal >> pain in the butt, though! > >And John Whiteside asked: > >> What do other folks do? > >> A friend of a friend supposedly mounted his fastoll box to his >> windscreen and it works -- I tried this and it didn't at all. > >A buddy of mine had the FastToll box on his Concours and said he got >just about up to 40 mph zipping through there. (I know it says 10 mph ;) > >Me, I'm a cheapskate. I regularly go to the Exact Change Only lane, >making sure I have the requisite 4 bits in the side pouch of the tank >bag. Then - invariably - I find quarters lying on the ground. Sidestand >out, glove quickly off, pick up spare change, toss it in, and Sayonara >baby. If there are more than two I leave them for the next cheapskate >;^D > >However, I was once berated by a toll booth worker for stealing from the >state. I told him to call a cop. If it ain't down the chute, it's >finders-keepers AFAIC. > >JK > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 00:36:13 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA01514; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 00:36:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA02423; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 00:36:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA00620; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 00:36:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.123] (unverified [207.226.128.123]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 00:40:37 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: tire vendors, balancers, mounters... Date: Tue, 13 Jan 98 00:36:06 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" In this afternoon's lovely weather, the current state of my back tire reared it's ugly head. Nothing dangerous happened, but the handling is clearly diminished. Didn't seem so bad in the dry, but I am now convinced that this weekend's project should be replacing the tire. Now, I was all set to buy from the closest local place, and let them mount and balance the sucker. Call me crazy, but I thought $50 ($100 if I bought the tire elsewhere) was a tad bit extreme. I've read a few articles online, and a few folks on the list have done it before. Anybody care to offer up any advice on what tools are necessary, and the procedure to follow? Also, any info on better priced vendors? I'm willing to stick with someone I've done business with in the past, but I've sent a hell of a lot of money to Atlantic Cycle and Power this year, and this tire scam seems to be a major shaft. ``` (o o) *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| *--------------------------oooO------------* |__||__| || || ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 00:36:23 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA01519; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 00:36:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA02431; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 00:36:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA00627; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 00:36:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.123] (unverified [207.226.128.123]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 00:40:47 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: apple warmers Date: Tue, 13 Jan 98 00:36:16 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "RDWOODJR" , , cc: "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >George has 24 hours to reserve #3. This *is* a limited offer! >Just e-mail me shipping addresses, guys. No need to visit *___* forsaken >Brandywine unless you would like to sit on my deck and view three hundred >acres of birds, squirrels, foxes and deer. And I only own 3 acres of it. >Crap, >now someone's building a house I can see, 1/4 mile away. There goes the >neighborhood. I want it, I want it!!! And I only live about 10 minutes from Brandywine!!!! (Plus, to be honest, I want to see the Magna so that if I see it out while I'm on the bike....) ``` (o o) *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| *--------------------------oooO------------* |__||__| || || ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 00:40:34 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA01546; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 00:40:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA02697; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 00:40:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA00657; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 00:40:27 -0500 (EST) From: Hal Message-ID: <5e474855.34bafc5e@aol.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 00:32:13 EST To: jckozyn@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Dulles Toll Road Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) In a message dated 1/12/98 10:15:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, jckozyn@XXXXXX writes: > A buddy of mine had the FastToll box on his Concours and said he got > just about up to 40 mph zipping through there. (I know it says 10 mph ;) I ride this road ever day. I have my fast toll in a Cycloactive Barpack...it's cool,. it just snaps on and off the cross bar of my bike. I can take the booths at about 40, unless some total MORON stops in the fasttoll lane. Then you find out what they mean by oil strip in a hurry. Hal 1997 BMW R1100GSA (Black) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 08:35:46 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA06369; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 08:35:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA16970; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 08:35:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA05831; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 08:35:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.02c) id AD745610298; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 08:34:47 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980113082539.00952e60@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 08:25:39 -0500 To: "Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: FW: Sorry, Missed Sunday... In-Reply-To: <01BD1F56.D68C2840.linda.tanner@mci.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:37 PM 1/12/98 -0500, Linda Tanner wrote: Currently, I have to stop and take a ticket and have >it validated. The hotel management has decided that they are killing too >many trees, so they want us to have cute little hangtags. > AARRRRRGGGGGHHHHH. I am probably they only person that rides into this >garage so who knows how this will be resolved. Maybe I'll just (when I get >to the entrance): >1) stop the bike >2) put down the kickstand (tricky - steep incline) >3) take off gloves >4) hunt through pockets - I've got 10 or 12 on my jacket >5) finally find card >6) wave it at the attendant >7) put card away >8) put gloves back on >9) put up kickstand >10) ride into lot Ugh. Could you clip it to your windshield (just for the ride in). How about a clear plastic pouch like the Aerostich left-forearm pouch, or the straps-on-your-arm plastic pouch for wearing a security badge? If you have a tankbag, maybe you could put it in the map pocket on top of the tank bag; I've done that before. I remember a campsite attendant who wanted me to put a peel-and-stick sticker on my windshield, because that's what they had the car drivers do! Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 08:35:46 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA06370; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 08:35:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA16969; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 08:35:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA05827; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 08:35:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.02c) id AD765610298; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 08:34:46 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980113081006.009529a0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 08:10:06 -0500 To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Paying Tolls [was: Sorry, Missed Sunday... In-Reply-To: <7F151D3C3920D111859A080009D806396E6C43@HRNEXCH1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:43 AM 1/12/98 -0500, Whiteside, John wrote: >Re: Tolls > >This is one of the thing that keeps me from riding into work as much -- >that #$$@ Dulles Toll Road. It's not too bad with lighter gloves -- I >keep a bunch of quarters in a pouch on my tank bag -- but I haven't >tried it with the winter gloves yet. > >What do other folks do? > >A friend of a friend supposedly mounted his fastoll box to his >windscreen and it works -- I tried this and it didn't at all. Why wouldn't a FasToll work? I wonder if the system has to sense a vehicle, and unless the bike is positioned right over the wire of the coil, the system doesn't look for a FasToll box. Anybody know? For having toll money, I have used binder clips (like for holding 20-30 sheets of paper together). I attach the clips to the brake master cylinder reservoir, the fuse box in the center of the handlebars, and anywhere else there's a screw. I put one toll's worth of money in each clip. That makes it relatively easy to pay at the toll booth (agreed that winter gloves make it harder). Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 08:35:46 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA06371; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 08:35:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA16968; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 08:35:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA05826; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 08:35:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.02c) id AD775610298; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 08:34:47 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980113081526.00952e60@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 08:15:26 -0500 To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Rude Cagers In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I think I remember reading about that in the paper. They found HALF a body. The other half was NEVER FOUND! Chris Norloff At 08:09 AM 1/12/98 -0800, Viteri, Ursulina wrote: >Did they ever find his carcass? : - ) > >Ursulina Viteri >202-416-6534 * Fax 202-223-9095 >AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. - Washington, DC > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: O'Brien, Jeannette [SMTP:jlobrien@XXXXXX] >>Sent: Monday, January 12, 1998 7:46 AM >>To: 'Whiteside, John'; dc-cycles@XXXXXX >>Subject: RE: Rude Cagers >> >>I agree with you in general. I've only had psychos so far in VA, but >>then again, I did get attacked once in DC when someone tried to run me >>over! I taught him, though!! hee hee hee >> >>- Jeannette >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Whiteside, John [SMTP:jwhiteside@XXXXXX] >>> Sent: Monday, January 12, 1998 10:33 AM >>> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >>> Subject: RE: Rude Cagers >>> >>> Actually I find the drivers in Virginia a lot scarier than in the >>> District.... >>> >>> --John Whiteside, Virginia commuter, District resident (for a few more >>> weeks) >>> >>> >>> > -----Original Message----- >>> > From: Collin T. Fagan [SMTP:gixer@XXXXXX] >>> > Sent: Friday, January 09, 1998 6:40 PM >>> > To: Jinn Sinn >>> > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >>> > Subject: Re: Rude Cagers >>> > >>> > Normally if I can avoid them in general I do and just chalk up >>> another >>> > idiotic >>> > move to BDC's....But if they're getting close and the 132db horn >>> does >>> > not dissuade >>> > them, I've been known on numerous occasions (yeah I go into the >>> > district daily) to >>> > plant a size 10 steel toed/shanked boot hard into the nearest body >>> > panel....(then >>> > I head for the nearest escape path and put some distance between me >>> > and them to >>> > avoid the aforementioned psychopaths)... And yes, nothing makes a >>> > statement like a >>> > COLT!!!! >>> > Collin >>> > >>> > Jinn Sinn wrote: >>> > >>> > > ok...this morning, riding to work on the parkway (Rock Creek) the >>> > lanes are >>> > > merging cause some idiot is blocking traffic in one lane. I'm in >>> the >>> > left >>> > > lane, car in the right lane and slightly BEHIND me (so she >>> > DEFINATELY SAW >>> > > ME)......pulls about 3/4 of the way into my lane forcing me to go >>> > left into >>> > > the left-turn lane where fortunately there were no other >>> cars....her >>> > window >>> > > was down, my visor was up and I yelled "Hey!" (wellll......I >>> > couldn't think of >>> > > anything else on the spur of the moment and my horn doesn't >>> > work....) her >>> > > response was to shrug and proceed to take up the remaining 1/4 of >>> > the >>> > > lane...........argh! >>> > > >>> > > marcy >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > -- >>> > _________________________________________ >>> > Collin and Penny Fagan >>> > LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard >>> > (202) 366-0067 (work) >>> > (703) 356-4279 (home) >>> > ICQ UIN: 435732 >>> > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ >>> > (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) >>> > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 08:45:48 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA06479; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 08:45:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA17708; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 08:45:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from draco.eisi.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA06041; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 08:45:39 -0500 (EST) Received: by draco.eisi.com; id IAA09094; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 08:45:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from unknown(10.3.1.4) by draco.eisi.com via smap (3.2) id xma009073; Tue, 13 Jan 98 08:45:20 -0500 Received: by HRNEXCH1 with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 08:45:20 -0500 Message-ID: <7F151D3C3920D111859A080009D806396E6C4E@HRNEXCH1> From: "Whiteside, John" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Paying Tolls [was: Sorry, Missed Sunday... Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 08:45:18 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain re: why won't the Fastoll work on a bike I don't know! But when I tried it it was red lights, bells going off, etc., and this was at about 10 mph (I was going slow because it was the first time I tried it). John Whiteside Marketing Specialist EIS Marketing Dept. Phone: (703) 736-8386 * Fax (703) 787-6720 jwhiteside@XXXXXX http://www.eisi.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Norloff [SMTP:cnorloff@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 1998 8:10 AM > To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > Subject: RE: Paying Tolls [was: Sorry, Missed Sunday... > > At 10:43 AM 1/12/98 -0500, Whiteside, John wrote: > >Re: Tolls > > > >This is one of the thing that keeps me from riding into work as much > -- > >that #$$@ Dulles Toll Road. It's not too bad with lighter gloves -- I > >keep a bunch of quarters in a pouch on my tank bag -- but I haven't > >tried it with the winter gloves yet. > > > >What do other folks do? > > > >A friend of a friend supposedly mounted his fastoll box to his > >windscreen and it works -- I tried this and it didn't at all. > > Why wouldn't a FasToll work? I wonder if the system has to sense a > vehicle, and unless the bike is positioned right over the wire of the > coil, > the system doesn't look for a FasToll box. Anybody know? > > For having toll money, I have used binder clips (like for holding > 20-30 > sheets of paper together). I attach the clips to the brake master > cylinder > reservoir, the fuse box in the center of the handlebars, and anywhere > else > there's a screw. I put one toll's worth of money in each clip. That > makes > it relatively easy to pay at the toll booth (agreed that winter gloves > make > it harder). > > Chris Norloff > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 08:46:24 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA06491; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 08:46:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA17723; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 08:46:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from sweden.it.earthlink.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA06056; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 08:46:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from [153.34.240.141] (1Cust141.tnt1.tco2.da.uu.net [153.34.240.141]) by sweden.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA28957 for ; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 05:46:10 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: level_5_ltd@XXXXXX Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 08:48:22 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Alan Lapp Subject: Re: tire vendors, balancers, mounters... >Now, I was all set to buy from the closest local place, and let them >mount and balance the sucker. Call me crazy, but I thought $50 ($100 if I >bought the tire elsewhere) was a tad bit extreme. I'd have to agree. There are only about 15 or 20 MC shops in the DC metro area. I'd say that your time would be well spent to find a shop with reasonable pricing on both the tire and the mounting. It sounds like the shop you mentioned is cutting tire prices, but making it up in service. Personally, I wouldn't attempt to mount and balance a MC tire at home. I just acquired a manual bead breaker/tire changer, but won't be playing with it until I get (or build) a balancer. In the early 70s, my brother had a near-fatal accident (on his 69' Honda 750 K0... which I wish I had now) because the tire wasn't balanced correctly. Granted, it was at extra-legal speeds... Al level_5_ltd@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 09:11:32 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA06814; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 09:11:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA19965; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 09:11:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from xgate.usia.gov by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA06595; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 09:11:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from Connect2 Message Router by xgate.usia.gov via Connect2-SMTP 4.31.02; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 09:07:36 -0500 Message-ID: <1A87BB3401BD1160@xgate.usia.gov> In-Reply-To: <0C87BB3401BD1160@xgate.usia.gov> Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 9:08:54 -0500 From: "Adams, Bill" Sender: "Adams, Bill" Organization: USIA To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC Cycles) Subject: DIY Tyres Importance: High X-SMF-Hop-Count: 2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Connect2-SMTP 4.31.02 MHS/SMF to SMTP Gateway The biggest challenge to replacing a tyre yourself is getting the wheel off the bike. After that, you only need to break the bead, either with your handy-dandy c-clamp or a purpose-built tool from the MC shop. A pair of tyre levers helps get the offending rubber off the rim, and coaxes the new into place. Assuming that the tyres are tubeless, you're done. You need only get the tyre lightly seated on the rim and force air into same to get it to go the rest of the way. If you are a racer-boy, then by all means take the assembly to a shop for balancing. Elsewise, you shouldn't need to as most tires are balanced at the factory good enough for most riding speeds. Bill Adams 3D Artist/Animator '66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon, '81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard: "Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 09:31:42 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA07081; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 09:31:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA22014; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 09:31:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from m-net.arbornet.org by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA06990; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 09:31:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (bmccoy@localhost) by m-net.arbornet.org (8.8.5/8.8.6) with SMTP id IAA13758 for ; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 08:35:14 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 08:35:13 -0500 (EST) From: Brian McCoy cc: DC Cycles Subject: Re: tire vendors, balancers, mounters... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > In this afternoon's lovely weather, the current state of my back tire > reared it's ugly head. Nothing dangerous happened, but the handling is > clearly diminished. Didn't seem so bad in the dry, but I am now convinced > that this weekend's project should be replacing the tire. You and me both - I took off from work yesterday - and took a nap. When I woke up I went for a rear tire... Sucks that I paid $105 for a $90 tire - but then again, I only paid $7 for mount and balance. pluss it's to a local shop, so I don't mind as much... it kinda seems that the more I spend there, the better the deals get. Nice that it's a small shop so everyone knows me. I had some fun getting to work this morning though - I didn't get a chance to scrub the tire yesterday, so I had a 0mile rear on cold wet streets.. and all of you condem me for 'playing' and kicking my tire out in normal conditions - at least I don't freak out when caught in these situations.. I must say that I didn't play very hard on the way to work.. but it should clear up this afternoon - and I have some errends to run - hrm, I know of some twisties in that general direction too...... .....snipped rest of big scam story..... Brian P. McCoy - 86' VF500fg (street) - 92/94 RS125 (race) bmccoy@XXXXXX (work) (301)210-8000 x 2155 (work) bmccoy@XXXXXX (personal) (301)445-4451 (home) www.geocities.com\motorcity\1319 (OLD Homepage - view at your own risk) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 09:32:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA07100; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 09:32:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA22090; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 09:32:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA07035; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 09:32:32 -0500 (EST) From: MARKSOMM Message-ID: <6a6fb54.34bb7ada@aol.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 09:31:53 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: ghowell@XXXXXX Subject: For sale Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Sorry to get commercial here but I ran into a really nice guy in his 70's in a parking lot. He said he had a bike to sell and I told him I would ask around. 1966 Triumph 650 excellent shape- 39k- lots of extras- chrome pipes and forks, etc. etc.- recent valve job- $2300/offer- (703) 256-0547 He seemed very honest and the bike sounded in great shape. He said that he bought it for his son but the kid had trouble with it. He had to have a lot of work done at the shop on it and the son didn't want it anymore so he was selling it. I also noticed a trailer nearby that looked like it would easily set up to haul bikes [more than a couple.] It had a sign reading $950. If anyone wants the number let me know and I will get it for you. Mark From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 09:39:23 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA07189; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 09:39:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA22317; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 09:39:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA07184; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 09:39:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay2.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id JAA21775; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 09:39:10 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 09:37:36 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D37EBDB@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Considerate Cagers!! Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 09:36:45 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Wow, believe it or not, they do exist! This morning I was trying to cross a busy intersection in Arlington (4 lanes, traffic both ways, median in the middle) and I'd made it to the median & was waiting to cross. The traffic was damn heavy & steady, but all of a sudden, out of nowhere, a car slows down & flashes his lights at me to let me in!! Amazing! Of course, I immediately figured he must be a biker. I guess it wouldn't be so amazing if it wasn't the first time in 5 months something like this has happened!! - Jeannette From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 09:51:40 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA07315; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 09:51:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA22563; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 09:51:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA07436; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 09:51:32 -0500 (EST) From: Jinn Sinn Message-ID: Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 09:46:36 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Newbie in the rain Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) well...even without electrics or leather pants, I've been tooling about in these little sprinkles we've been getting without any mishaps so far (knock on wood) but I have a question....does it make it less slippery for me if I drive in the tire tracks the cars leave or is it better to stay in the middle of the lane or does it not matter? Marcy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 09:56:21 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA07393; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 09:56:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA22727; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 09:56:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA07535; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 09:56:14 -0500 (EST) From: Jinn Sinn Message-ID: <73f6e72f.34bb7f04@aol.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 09:49:38 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Considerate Cagers!! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) he probably took pity on your crazy soul....out there, exposed to the elements, in the pouring rain......probably figured you'd get back to your asylum all the sooner if he let you go ahead ;D marcy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 10:00:13 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07504; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:00:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA22764; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 09:59:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA07701; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 09:59:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay2.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id JAA28349; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 09:59:53 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 09:58:18 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D37EBE3@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Jinn Sinn'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Newbie in the rain Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 09:57:28 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain I've been told to always ride in the tire tracks in the rain. Also, I've been told NEVER to ride in the center of the lane if you can help it (unless avoiding obstacles, etc.)... - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Jinn Sinn [SMTP:JinnSinn@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 1998 9:47 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Newbie in the rain > > well...even without electrics or leather pants, I've been tooling > about in > these little sprinkles we've been getting without any mishaps so far > (knock on > wood) but I have a question....does it make it less slippery for me if > I drive > in the tire tracks the cars leave or is it better to stay in the > middle of the > lane or does it not matter? > > Marcy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 10:06:50 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07590; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:06:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA22934; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:06:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from DONALD.CDER.FDA.GOV by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07871; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:06:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from mr.cder.fda.gov by fdaserv.cder.fda.gov (PMDF V5.1-8 #21467) id <01ISBON3Z9AO8ZI8VY@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:06:10 EST Received: with PMDF-MR; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:01:30 -0500 (EST) MR-Received: by mta DONALD; Relayed; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:01:30 -0500 Alternate-recipient: prohibited Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:01:56 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy Subject: Re: Considerate Cagers!! To: DC Cycles Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Posting-date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:01:56 -0500 (EST) Importance: normal Priority: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential UA-content-id: E1296IEW25FGE X400-MTS-identifier: [;03100131108991/2250290@FDACD] A1-type: MAIL Hop-count: 1 >Wow, believe it or not, they do exist! This morning I was trying to >cross a busy intersection in Arlington (4 lanes, traffic both ways, >median in the middle) and I'd made it to the median & was waiting to >cross. The traffic was damn heavy & steady, but all of a sudden, out of >nowhere, a car slows down & flashes his lights at me to let me in!! >Amazing! Of course, I immediately figured he must be a biker. My only accident was in a similar situation... I was let in but another guy (in the other lane) made a very aggressive move while I moved into the lane and BAM!, I was doing somersaults. I landed on my head and suffered from vertigo for two months (I was off the bike during that time, hey, my 15k miles this year sounds like a bit more...). The moral of this story, never let your guard down! It was easy to relax in this situation and I paid the price. Lesson learned. Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 10:08:19 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07629; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:08:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA22953; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:08:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from gateway.mastermind-tech.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07896; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:08:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from dave.mastermind-tech.com ([207.244.253.8]) by gateway.mastermind-tech.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA24611 for ; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 09:55:18 -0500 Message-Id: <199801131455.JAA24611@gateway.mastermind-tech.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "David Lowenstein" Organization: MasterMind Technologies, Inc. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:07:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Triumph For sale Priority: normal In-reply-to: <6a6fb54.34bb7ada@aol.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) Hi Mark - If the guy is "wired" you might suggest he post the bike for sale on the Brit-Iron list server (which I also subscribe to), particularly if he cares about having the bike go to a loving home. Brit-Iron provides safe haven for owners of all vintage British-made bikes (a category of owners for which safe haven is especially useful). To subscribe, go to the Brit-Iron home page (http://php.indiana.edu/~cstringe/brit.html) and follow the instructions there. Regards, > Sorry to get commercial here but I ran into a really nice guy in his > 70's in a parking lot. He said he had a bike to sell and I told him > I would ask around. > ========================================= Dave Lowenstein Washington, DC dlowenst@XXXXXX 67 E-Type OTS S1.5 driver 71 Olds Cutlass Convertible 79 Triumph Bonneville Keeping parts guys in business nationwide ========================================= From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 10:10:07 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07644; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:10:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA22994; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:10:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from welchlink.welch.jhu.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07920; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:09:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from firewall_out.adventisthealthcare.com ([209.49.109.130]) by welchlink.welch.jhu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA11603; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:07:24 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980113101053.0069f43c@pop.mindspring.com> Received: from [172.16.4.56] by firewall_out.adventisthealthcare.com via smtpd (for welchlink.welch.jhu.edu [128.220.59.78]) with SMTP; 13 Jan 1998 15:09:53 UT X-Sender: hggmd@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:10:53 -0500 To: Jinn Sinn From: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." Subject: Re: Newbie in the rain Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:46 AM 1/13/98 EST, Jinn Sinn wrote: .does it make it less slippery for me if I drive >in the tire tracks the cars leave or is it better to stay in the middle of the >lane or does it not matter? > Marcy, Remember, all the oil and "pan drippings" build up in the middle of the lane. When you sprinkle some rain on it, it's like teflon. If you can follow in distinct tire tracks, you may be able to take advantage of the "pump" action of the tires. However, remember back to drivers' education when they told you that the first few minutes of a rainstorm are the worst, because it brings up the old oil and hasn't washed off the road yet. The only other rain tip to throw in is to keep an eye on people behind you. They often follow too close and will slide right over you. Slow down a bit so, even if they are close, you have more distance to stop in front of you and can give them some more time. Harry Bethesda, MD '97 BMW R1100RT http://www.greenspun.com/harry/bikes.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 10:13:58 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07702; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:13:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA23079; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:13:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08006; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:13:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id JAA14895 for ; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 09:13:14 -0600 (CST) Received: from nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (nmta2.mcit.com [166.37.172.3]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id KAA09062 for ; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:13:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19980113151313.BDC6587@[166.41.242.141]> for ; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:13:13 -0500 Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:04 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: dc-cycles Subject: Non-Motorcycle...HELP! X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980113151313.BDC6587@[166.41.242.141]> Does anyone have Ignition tester for GM? The cage is missing something fierce, and I want to rule this component out as the culprit. Anybody? In trade for the USE of your tester I offer twelve fine homebrewed beers to tote home and enjoy at your leisure. Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 10:16:58 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07745; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:16:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA23150; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:16:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from DONALD.CDER.FDA.GOV by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08101; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:16:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from mr.cder.fda.gov by fdaserv.cder.fda.gov (PMDF V5.1-8 #21467) id <01ISBP4SATDC8ZI7ER@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:17:28 EST Received: with PMDF-MR; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:16:49 -0500 (EST) MR-Received: by mta DONALD; Relayed; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:16:49 -0500 Alternate-recipient: prohibited Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:17:14 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy Subject: Re: Newbie in the rain To: DC Cycles Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Posting-date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:17:16 -0500 (EST) Importance: normal Priority: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential UA-content-id: E1298IEW27EXT X400-MTS-identifier: [;94610131108991/2250385@FDACD] A1-type: MAIL Hop-count: 1 >I've been told to always ride in the tire tracks in the rain. Also, >I've been told NEVER to ride in the center of the lane if you can help >it (unless avoiding obstacles, etc.)... The NEVER ride in the center of the lane is one of those things that is told to beginners. Once you're more experienced (assuming improved judgement) there are plenty of times that riding in the center of the lane is a good idea, e.g., riding on the beltway. Another one of these things is NEVER brake while leaned over. There are plenty of times that you can't stand the bike up before you've got to brake. Giving this "temporary axiom" to newbies keeps them from ham fistedly applying the front brake while leaning over pretty good. There are a other notions like these that escape me at the moment... Just my humble opinion, Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 10:24:50 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07827; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:24:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA23448; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:24:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from m-net.arbornet.org by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08415; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:24:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (bmccoy@localhost) by m-net.arbornet.org (8.8.5/8.8.6) with SMTP id KAA12916; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:12:22 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:12:22 -0500 (EST) From: Brian McCoy To: Jinn Sinn cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Newbie in the rain In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII The tire tracks are generaly safe - but watch out because some of the deep grooves will hold the water in pools - might make for some minor instability. As for riding on the crown inbetween the tracks - that's also fairly safe except where cars sit for times (traffic lights, stop signs, ATMs, etc) cause they drip oil and other slippery 'goo' that gets even worse in the wet - that is untill it's washed away. Right now, it's probably not to slick anywhere cept on the bridges (cold air underneath will lead to early freezing).. Just ride smooth and you'll be fine. On Tue, 13 Jan 1998, Jinn Sinn wrote: > well...even without electrics or leather pants, I've been tooling about in > these little sprinkles we've been getting without any mishaps so far (knock on > wood) but I have a question....does it make it less slippery for me if I drive > in the tire tracks the cars leave or is it better to stay in the middle of the > lane or does it not matter? > > Marcy > Brian P. McCoy - 86' VF500fg (street) - 92/94 RS125 (race) bmccoy@XXXXXX (work) (301)210-8000 x 2155 (work) bmccoy@XXXXXX (personal) (301)445-4451 (home) www.geocities.com\motorcity\1319 (OLD Homepage - view at your own risk) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 10:29:06 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07876; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:29:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA23507; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:28:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08515; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:28:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id JAA21250; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 09:28:19 -0600 (CST) Received: from imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid02.mcit.com [166.37.221.14]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id JAA02076; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 09:28:18 -0600 (CST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19980113152817.ZKHG28757@[166.41.242.141]>; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 09:28:17 -0600 Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:15 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: Jinn Sinn CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Newbie in the rain X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980113152817.ZKHG28757@[166.41.242.141]> If the roads have been wet for awhile, ride where you want. All the road gorp that matters will have washed off by then. My own style (when I'm not dragging behind Linda T. on the way home) is to stay back as far from other vehicles as possible. All that mucky spray is worse sometimes than any actual rain. Todd From: Jinn Sinn Message-ID: Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 09:46:36 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Newbie in the rain Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) well...even without electrics or leather pants, I've been tooling about in these little sprinkles we've been getting without any mishaps so far (knock on wood) but I have a question....does it make it less slippery for me if I drive in the tire tracks the cars leave or is it better to stay in the middle of the lane or does it not matter? Marcy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 10:31:28 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07917; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:31:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA23565; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:31:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from draco.eisi.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08575; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:31:19 -0500 (EST) Received: by draco.eisi.com; id KAA18617; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:31:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from unknown(10.3.1.4) by draco.eisi.com via smap (3.2) id xma018607; Tue, 13 Jan 98 10:31:12 -0500 Received: by HRNEXCH1 with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:31:12 -0500 Message-ID: <7F151D3C3920D111859A080009D806396E6C53@HRNEXCH1> From: "Whiteside, John" To: DC Cycles Subject: RE: Newbie in the rain Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:31:10 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Re - never braking while leaned This is one I never heard. In fact, doesn't the MSF intro course have an exercise on stopping in turns that involves starting to brake while you're turning, increasing braking as you decrease lean? John Whiteside Marketing Specialist EIS Marketing Dept. Phone: (703) 736-8386 * Fax (703) 787-6720 jwhiteside@XXXXXX http://www.eisi.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Kirk Roy [SMTP:ROYK@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 1998 10:17 AM > To: DC Cycles > Subject: Re: Newbie in the rain > > >I've been told to always ride in the tire tracks in the rain. Also, > >I've been told NEVER to ride in the center of the lane if you can > help > >it (unless avoiding obstacles, etc.)... > > The NEVER ride in the center of the lane is one of those things that > is > told to beginners. Once you're more experienced (assuming improved > judgement) there are plenty of times that riding in the center of the > lane > is a good idea, e.g., riding on the beltway. > > Another one of these things is NEVER brake while leaned over. There > are > plenty of times that you can't stand the bike up before you've got to > brake. Giving this "temporary axiom" to newbies keeps them from ham > fistedly applying the front brake while leaning over pretty good. > > There are a other notions like these that escape me at the moment... > > Just my humble opinion, > > Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 10:39:12 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08043; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:39:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA23978; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:38:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08757; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:38:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com by mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (8.8.8/McCaw V8 version 1) id HAA02646; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 07:38:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id HAA01502; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 07:38:06 -0800 Received: from hq_msg01.nwest.mccaw.com by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id HAA01497; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 07:38:05 -0800 Received: by hq_msg01.nwest.mccaw.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD1FF6.277BE9D0@XXXXXX>; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 07:37:52 -0800 Message-ID: From: "Viteri, Ursulina" To: "'Harry G. Greenspun, M.D.'" , "'Jinn Sinn'" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Newbie in the rain Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 07:34:01 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 39 TEXT Am I the only person that thinks cars follow to closely behind each other and me? Am I getting paranoid or what? Weren't we taught something like one car length between you and the other vehicle for every 10 mph? Ursulina Viteri 202-416-6534 * Fax 202-223-9095 AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. - Washington, DC >-----Original Message----- >From: Harry G. Greenspun, M.D. [SMTP:hgg@XXXXXX] >Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 1998 7:11 AM >To: Jinn Sinn >Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Newbie in the rain > >At 09:46 AM 1/13/98 EST, Jinn Sinn wrote: >.does it make it less slippery for me if I drive >>in the tire tracks the cars leave or is it better to stay in the middle of >the >>lane or does it not matter? >> > >Marcy, > Remember, all the oil and "pan drippings" build up in the middle of the >lane. When you sprinkle some rain on it, it's like teflon. If you can >follow in distinct tire tracks, you may be able to take advantage of the >"pump" action of the tires. However, remember back to drivers' education >when they told you that the first few minutes of a rainstorm are the worst, >because it brings up the old oil and hasn't washed off the road yet. > The only other rain tip to throw in is to keep an eye on people behind >you. They often follow too close and will slide right over you. Slow down >a bit so, even if they are close, you have more distance to stop in front >of you and can give them some more time. > >Harry >Bethesda, MD >'97 BMW R1100RT >http://www.greenspun.com/harry/bikes.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 10:43:07 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08095; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:43:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA24026; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:42:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08831; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:42:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from krosenba.erols.com (man-as6s56.erols.com [207.172.74.119]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA28141; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:45:02 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980113104034.007c1100@pop.erols.com> X-Sender: krosenba@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:40:34 -0500 To: Jinn Sinn , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Karl Rosenbaum Subject: Re: Newbie in the rain In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:46 AM 01/13/1998 EST, Jinn Sinn wrote: >well...even without electrics or leather pants, I've been tooling about in >these little sprinkles we've been getting without any mishaps so far (knock on >wood) but I have a question....does it make it less slippery for me if I drive >in the tire tracks the cars leave or is it better to stay in the middle of the >lane or does it not matter? Personally, I ride either to the left or the right side of the lane (the tracks left from the cages). Oily stuff will collect in the center of the lane (i.e. that is where the leaks from all the cars will collect) and can make it a little slippery. I also avoid sudden lane cages and make my lane changes more gradual. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 10:51:52 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08326; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:51:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA24153; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:50:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA09041; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:50:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay2.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id KAA19515; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:50:16 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:48:40 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D37EBEF@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Viteri, Ursulina'" , "'Harry G. Greenspun, M.D.'" , "'Jinn Sinn'" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Newbie in the rain Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:47:50 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Yes, I agree. I had the "mistfortune" of being without a cage for 3 years while I was living in D.C., so I walked or took public transportation everywhere. There was a noticeable difference when I started driving again. Drivers had gotten much more aggressive in all manner of driving. One night on my bike a BDC tried to run me off the road in a merge lane (he was in the wrong, came up behind me at WAY excessive speed), so I tapped the brakes, then did big swervies in front of him. He backed off. (probably thought I was crazy) - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Viteri, Ursulina [SMTP:ursulina.viteri@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 1998 10:34 AM > To: 'Harry G. Greenspun, M.D.'; 'Jinn Sinn' > Cc: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > Subject: RE: Newbie in the rain > > Am I the only person that thinks cars follow to closely behind each > other and me? Am I getting paranoid or what? Weren't we taught > something like one car length between you and the other vehicle for > every 10 mph? > > Ursulina Viteri > 202-416-6534 * Fax 202-223-9095 > AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. - Washington, DC > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Harry G. Greenspun, M.D. [SMTP:hgg@XXXXXX] > >Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 1998 7:11 AM > >To: Jinn Sinn > >Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >Subject: Re: Newbie in the rain > > > >At 09:46 AM 1/13/98 EST, Jinn Sinn wrote: > >.does it make it less slippery for me if I drive > >>in the tire tracks the cars leave or is it better to stay in the > middle of > >the > >>lane or does it not matter? > >> > > > >Marcy, > > Remember, all the oil and "pan drippings" build up in the middle of > the > >lane. When you sprinkle some rain on it, it's like teflon. If you > can > >follow in distinct tire tracks, you may be able to take advantage of > the > >"pump" action of the tires. However, remember back to drivers' > education > >when they told you that the first few minutes of a rainstorm are the > worst, > >because it brings up the old oil and hasn't washed off the road yet. > > The only other rain tip to throw in is to keep an eye on people > behind > >you. They often follow too close and will slide right over you. > Slow down > >a bit so, even if they are close, you have more distance to stop in > front > >of you and can give them some more time. > > > >Harry > >Bethesda, MD > >'97 BMW R1100RT > >http://www.greenspun.com/harry/bikes.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 10:58:16 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08435; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:58:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA24235; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:57:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA09225; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:56:57 -0500 (EST) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id AA09725 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:57:08 -0500 Message-Id: <199801131557.AA09725@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:57:08 -0500 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:57:08 -0500 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:57:08 -0500 Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:54:33 -0500 Subject: Re: Dulles Toll Road To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <000401bd1fe4$b4aa34e0$4710b1cd@newmicronpc> X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p1)/MIME Art at Riders Accessory in Falls Church was selling some very nice, well built chrome coin dispensers that clamp onto your handlebars that work very well. My wife and I both have them on our bikes and it's made zipping through the toll booths with gloves on *much* easier...less than $20 and has lasted over 3 years. cheers, -aki > A pain in the digits, the toll business. From Brookstone have a little > 4-coin-type dispenser (holds about 20 of each) that is kept handy (in a > little open fork bag or pocket). Cheaper, smaller at Trak. Can work with > one un- or lightly- gloved hand, pushing out one coin at a time, turning it > if necessary, or just lend it to moneyperson. Newly elusive payphone dimes > right there too. Bay Bridge, etc., still require financial planning. > > Bill Swanson > > > -----Original Message----- > From: John C. Kozyn > Date: Monday, January 12, 1998 10:13 PM > > > >Jeannette wrote: > > > >> Going through tolls on a bike with heavy gloves on is a royal > >> pain in the butt, though! > > > >And John Whiteside asked: > > > >> What do other folks do? > > > >> A friend of a friend supposedly mounted his fastoll box to his > >> windscreen and it works -- I tried this and it didn't at all. > > > >A buddy of mine had the FastToll box on his Concours and said he got > >just about up to 40 mph zipping through there. (I know it says 10 mph ;) > > > >Me, I'm a cheapskate. I regularly go to the Exact Change Only lane, > >making sure I have the requisite 4 bits in the side pouch of the tank > >bag. Then - invariably - I find quarters lying on the ground. Sidestand > >out, glove quickly off, pick up spare change, toss it in, and Sayonara > >baby. If there are more than two I leave them for the next cheapskate > >;^D > > > >However, I was once berated by a toll booth worker for stealing from the > >state. I told him to call a cop. If it ain't down the chute, it's > >finders-keepers AFAIC. > > > >JK > > > > > > > X-Priority: 3 > X-Msmail-Priority: Normal > X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 11:33:23 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA09249; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 11:33:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA25759; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 11:32:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from germany.it.earthlink.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA00388; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 11:32:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from [153.34.245.222] (1Cust222.tnt2.tco2.da.uu.net [153.34.245.222]) by germany.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA11123 for ; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 08:32:10 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: level_5_ltd@XXXXXX Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 11:34:22 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Alan Lapp Subject: Re: Newbie in the rain >well...even without electrics or leather pants, I've been tooling about in >these little sprinkles we've been getting without any mishaps so far (knock on >wood) but I have a question....does it make it less slippery for me if I drive >in the tire tracks the cars leave or is it better to stay in the middle of the >lane or does it not matter? > >Marcy Tire tracks: The middle of the lane is where oil and coolant drips fall. As we all know from Cliche 101, oil and water don't mix. Al level_5_ltd@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 11:35:34 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA09320; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 11:35:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA25907; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 11:34:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from iconmail.bellatlantic.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA00432; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 11:34:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from my-workstation (client196-127-14.bellatlantic.net [151.196.127.14]) by iconmail.bellatlantic.net (IConNet Sendmail) with SMTP id LAA12916; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 11:34:31 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980113112953.00c35dc0@postoffice.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: true911@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 11:29:53 -0500 To: "Whiteside, John" , DC Cycles From: "Mark E. Truelove" Subject: RE: Newbie in the rain In-Reply-To: <7F151D3C3920D111859A080009D806396E6C53@HRNEXCH1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Actually, the advanced course had a swerve-and-stop exercise where the point was to do one, then the other -- not together -- within a certain distance. Louis might be able to shed some light here... MET At 10:31 AM 1/13/98 -0500, Whiteside, John wrote: >Re - never braking while leaned > >This is one I never heard. In fact, doesn't the MSF intro course have an >exercise on stopping in turns that involves starting to brake while >you're turning, increasing braking as you decrease lean? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark E. Truelove (true@XXXXXX) http://www.clark.net/pub/pooh/ Polaris Technology Group http://www.angelfire.com/biz/polaristech/ Placement Specialists: SAP PeopleSoft Notes Fiber-Optics NT UNIX DBs ======================================================================= From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 12:05:37 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA10147; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:05:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA27248; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:04:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA01528; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:04:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com by mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (8.8.8/McCaw V8 version 1) id JAA25647; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 09:03:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id JAA15119; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 09:03:51 -0800 Received: from hq_msg01.nwest.mccaw.com by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id JAA15111; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 09:03:50 -0800 Received: by hq_msg01.nwest.mccaw.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD2002.2237AF20@XXXXXX>; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 09:03:37 -0800 Message-ID: From: "Viteri, Ursulina" To: "'Alan Lapp'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Newbie in the rain Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 08:59:47 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 34 TEXT Here's an addition to things that don't mix: gravel, down shifting, breaking, and turning. DON'T try it at home! - - Newbie advice Ursulina Viteri 202-416-6534 * Fax 202-223-9095 AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. - Washington, DC >-----Original Message----- >From: Alan Lapp [SMTP:level_5_ltd@XXXXXX] >Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 1998 8:34 AM >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Newbie in the rain > >>well...even without electrics or leather pants, I've been tooling about in >>these little sprinkles we've been getting without any mishaps so far (knock >>on >>wood) but I have a question....does it make it less slippery for me if I >>drive >>in the tire tracks the cars leave or is it better to stay in the middle of >>the >>lane or does it not matter? >> >>Marcy > >Tire tracks: The middle of the lane is where oil and coolant drips fall. > >As we all know from Cliche 101, oil and water don't mix. > >Al >level_5_ltd@XXXXXX > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 12:20:09 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA10527; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:20:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA27516; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:19:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA02294; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:19:04 -0500 (EST) From: Jinn Sinn Message-ID: <5e486983.34bba1e2@aol.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:18:26 EST To: ROYK@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: Newbie in the rain Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) In a message dated 1/13/98 10:22:58 AM, ROYK@XXXXXX wrote: <> I've been downshifting to slow down before I actually apply the brakes (whenever possible) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 12:23:15 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA10585; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:23:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA27586; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:22:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.clark.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA02362; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:22:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from shell.clark.net (louis@XXXXXX [168.143.0.8]) by mail.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA23851; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:22:11 -0500 (EST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Received: (from louis@localhost) by shell.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA14126; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:22:01 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199801131722.MAA14126@shell.clark.net> Subject: Re: Newbie in the rain To: true@XXXXXX (Mark E. Truelove) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:22:01 -0500 (EST) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980113112953.00c35dc0@postoffice.bellatlantic.net> from "Mark E. Truelove" at Jan 13, 98 11:29:53 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24alpha3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > Actually, the advanced course had a swerve-and-stop exercise where the > point was to do one, then the other -- not together -- within a certain > distance. > Louis might be able to shed some light here... > At 10:31 AM 1/13/98 -0500, Whiteside, John wrote: > >Re - never braking while leaned > > > >This is one I never heard. In fact, doesn't the MSF intro course have an > >exercise on stopping in turns that involves starting to brake while > >you're turning, increasing braking as you decrease lean? Yes, this is if you are in a turn and need to stop. There are two different ways. A) Straighten the motorcycle, then brake B) Gradually brake as you straighten the motorcycle, adding more brake as you are more straight. Both of these are covered in excercises in the RSS. There is no "Best Answer." In fact on the motorcycle saftey digest (another e-mail list) there was a huge debate (read: Flame war) over this. In my opinion (and just MY opinion) option A is better IF YOU HAVE ROOM. If there isn't room to straighten up (and on some of those curves on Sugarloaf, there wasn't any room) if you are going in hot, you'll need to use option B. Of course the best thing to do is to slow down before you get into that situation. If you can't see 8 seconds in front of you, slow down. One thing I've read, but haven't tried, is that if you do need to brake in a curve, start with the rear brake, that helps to control the weight shift forward, and keeps some more traction on the rear tire. Again, I haven't tested this, maybe others have? Louis ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Louis Caplan | DoD #1754 AMA #269779 | www.clark.net/pub/louis/cycle.htm Alexandria, VA | COG #2894 | louis@XXXXXX | '98 Kawasaki Concours | Mean Green Scream Machine From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 12:30:31 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA10771; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:30:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA27770; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:29:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA02694; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:29:23 -0500 (EST) From: Jinn Sinn Message-ID: <38f36105.34bba336@aol.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:24:05 EST To: ursulina.viteri@XXXXXX, hgg@XXXXXX, JinnSinn@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: RE: Newbie in the rain Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) In a message dated 1/13/98 10:38:34 AM, ursulina.viteri@XXXXXX wrote: <> we were taught exactly that but nobody seems to remember it...and yes they DO follow WAY too closely....this morning some guy came up to within 3 feet behind me at about 30mph then zoomed around me passing VERY close to my right leg....it was all very exciting especially since he was driving some kind of huge cadillac looking beast of a cage...damn good thing I didn't have to brake... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 12:33:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA10845; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:33:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA27845; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:32:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA02781; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:32:33 -0500 (EST) Received: by hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD201E.EBB2C030@XXXXXX>; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:29:41 -0500 Message-ID: From: To: , , Subject: RE: Newbie in the rain Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:29:39 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 48 TEXT Should have read as experienced newbie or newbie level 1 Tracy Horstman '87 Suzuki Savage 650 "There are 2 types of computer users in the world: Those that have lost data and those that are going to....." ---------- From: Viteri, Ursulina[SMTP:ursulina.viteri@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 1998 11:59 AM To: 'Alan Lapp'; 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' Subject: RE: Newbie in the rain Here's an addition to things that don't mix: gravel, down shifting, breaking, and turning. DON'T try it at home! - - Newbie advice Ursulina Viteri 202-416-6534 * Fax 202-223-9095 AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. - Washington, DC >-----Original Message----- >From: Alan Lapp [SMTP:level_5_ltd@XXXXXX] >Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 1998 8:34 AM >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Newbie in the rain > >>well...even without electrics or leather pants, I've been tooling about in >>these little sprinkles we've been getting without any mishaps so far (knock >>on >>wood) but I have a question....does it make it less slippery for me if I >>drive >>in the tire tracks the cars leave or is it better to stay in the middle of >>the >>lane or does it not matter? >> >>Marcy > >Tire tracks: The middle of the lane is where oil and coolant drips fall. > >As we all know from Cliche 101, oil and water don't mix. > >Al >level_5_ltd@XXXXXX > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 12:37:34 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA10943; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:37:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA27892; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:36:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA02860; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:36:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.02c) id A6122E101FC; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:36:18 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980113123504.009ef350@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:35:04 -0500 To: DC Cycles From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Newbie in the rain In-Reply-To: <7F151D3C3920D111859A080009D806396E6C53@HRNEXCH1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:31 AM 1/13/98 -0500, Whiteside, John wrote: >Re - never braking while leaned > >This is one I never heard. In fact, doesn't the MSF intro course have an >exercise on stopping in turns that involves starting to brake while >you're turning, increasing braking as you decrease lean? Yup. Very important skill. Just remember that you have less traction for braking when you're leaned over, and if you lock a wheel the bike will probably go down so quickly you won't have a chance to react to it. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 12:37:35 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA10949; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:37:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA27896; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:36:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA02858; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:36:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.02c) id A60E2E101FC; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:36:17 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980113123245.009ec4e0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:32:45 -0500 To: DC Cycles From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Considerate Cagers!! In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:01 AM 1/13/98 -0500, Kirk Roy wrote: >>Wow, believe it or not, they do exist! This morning I was trying to >>cross a busy intersection in Arlington (4 lanes, traffic both ways, >>median in the middle) and I'd made it to the median & was waiting to >>cross. The traffic was damn heavy & steady, but all of a sudden, out of >>nowhere, a car slows down & flashes his lights at me to let me in!! >>Amazing! Of course, I immediately figured he must be a biker. > >My only accident was in a similar situation... I was let in but another guy >(in the other lane) made a very aggressive move while I moved into the lane >and BAM!, I was doing somersaults. I landed on my head and suffered from >vertigo for two months (I was off the bike during that time, hey, my 15k >miles this year sounds like a bit more...). > >The moral of this story, never let your guard down! It was easy to relax in >this situation and I paid the price. Lesson learned. If someone stops in one lane to let me in, but there's a lane next to it with traffic, I shake my head no, wave the driver by, and wave thanks. I'd much rather wait and deal with a gap in traffic than to squeak into an opening like that. I agree with you about never relaxing. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 12:37:35 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA10946; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:37:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA27893; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:36:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA02854; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:36:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.02c) id A6112E101FC; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:36:17 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980113123034.009ee320@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:30:34 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Newbie in the rain In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:46 AM 1/13/98 EST, Jinn Sinn wrote: >well...even without electrics or leather pants, I've been tooling about in >these little sprinkles we've been getting without any mishaps so far (knock on >wood) but I have a question....does it make it less slippery for me if I drive >in the tire tracks the cars leave or is it better to stay in the middle of the >lane or does it not matter? Seriously? Oil drippings are almost always in the center of the lane. They're not too much trouble in the dry (usually. Toll booths and big intersections with truck traffic are notable exceptions). The lane center can be a very slippery place in the wet. I stay in the car tracks and reduce speed and lean angle to give my self more traction reserve. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 12:38:38 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA10988; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:38:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA27985; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:37:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA02906; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:37:15 -0500 (EST) Received: by hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD201F.9CC7B290@XXXXXX>; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:34:38 -0500 Message-ID: From: To: Subject: Newbie in the rain Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:34:36 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 28 TEXT I feel sorry for you, Marcy, for all the e-mail you are going to generate with the "downshifting to slow down" part of you e-mail. I'll be just one of the several pieces of e-mail telling you that downshifting only gives more power to the wheels - the brakes slow you down. Tracy Horstman '87 Suzuki Savage 650 "There are 2 types of computer users in the world: Those that have lost data and those that are going to....." ---------- From: Jinn Sinn[SMTP:JinnSinn@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 1998 12:18 PM To: ROYK@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: Newbie in the rain In a message dated 1/13/98 10:22:58 AM, ROYK@XXXXXX wrote: <> I've been downshifting to slow down before I actually apply the brakes (whenever possible) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 12:44:29 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA11192; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:44:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA28382; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:43:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA03083; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:43:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com by mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (8.8.8/McCaw V8 version 1) id JAA07577; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 09:42:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id JAA22515; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 09:42:38 -0800 Received: from hq_msg01.nwest.mccaw.com by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id JAA22508; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 09:42:37 -0800 Received: by hq_msg01.nwest.mccaw.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD2007.8D4F8260@XXXXXX>; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 09:42:24 -0800 Message-ID: From: "Viteri, Ursulina" To: "'tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX'" , "'level_5_ltd@XXXXXX'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" , "'ursulina.viteri@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Newbie in the rain Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 09:38:33 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 68 TEXT Good point. My accident should bump me up a grade in the Newbie level system. Would you believe I asked God that if he has any more falls for me in mind could he do them while I'm dressing for winter riding. I'm sure the extra layers of clothes (and naturally occurring insulation i.e.: flab) kept me from getting really hurt. Imagine that same fall if it had been summertime. Big Ouch! Ursulina Viteri 202-416-6534 * Fax 202-223-9095 AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. - Washington, DC >-----Original Message----- >From: tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX [SMTP:tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX] >Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 1998 9:30 AM >To: level_5_ltd@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX; >ursulina.viteri@XXXXXX >Subject: RE: Newbie in the rain > >Should have read as experienced newbie or newbie level 1 >Tracy Horstman >'87 Suzuki Savage 650 >"There are 2 types of computer users in the world: > Those that have lost data > and those that are going to....." > >---------- >From: Viteri, Ursulina[SMTP:ursulina.viteri@XXXXXX] >Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 1998 11:59 AM >To: 'Alan Lapp'; 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' >Subject: RE: Newbie in the rain > >Here's an addition to things that don't mix: gravel, down shifting, >breaking, and turning. DON'T try it at home! > > - - Newbie advice > >Ursulina Viteri >202-416-6534 * Fax 202-223-9095 >AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. - Washington, DC > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Alan Lapp [SMTP:level_5_ltd@XXXXXX] >>Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 1998 8:34 AM >>To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >>Subject: Re: Newbie in the rain >> >>>well...even without electrics or leather pants, I've been tooling about in >>>these little sprinkles we've been getting without any mishaps so far (knock >>>on >>>wood) but I have a question....does it make it less slippery for me if I >>>drive >>>in the tire tracks the cars leave or is it better to stay in the middle of >>>the >>>lane or does it not matter? >>> >>>Marcy >> >>Tire tracks: The middle of the lane is where oil and coolant drips fall. >> >>As we all know from Cliche 101, oil and water don't mix. >> >>Al >>level_5_ltd@XXXXXX >> >> > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 12:50:11 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA11295; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:50:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA28822; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:49:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from m-net.arbornet.org by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA03284; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:49:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (bmccoy@localhost) by m-net.arbornet.org (8.8.5/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA14403 for ; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:41:47 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:41:46 -0500 (EST) From: Brian McCoy cc: DC-Cycles list Subject: Re: Re: Newbie in the rain In-Reply-To: <5e486983.34bba1e2@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Why? Brake pads are SOOOO much cheaper than engine parts... On Tue, 13 Jan 1998, Jinn Sinn wrote: > > In a message dated 1/13/98 10:22:58 AM, ROYK@XXXXXX wrote: > > <> > > I've been downshifting to slow down before I actually apply the brakes > (whenever possible) > Brian P. McCoy - 86' VF500fg (street) - 92/94 RS125 (race) bmccoy@XXXXXX (work) (301)210-8000 x 2155 (work) bmccoy@XXXXXX (personal) (301)445-4451 (home) www.geocities.com\motorcity\1319 (OLD Homepage - view at your own risk) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 12:54:15 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA11405; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:54:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA29597; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:53:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from m-net.arbornet.org by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA03413; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:53:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (bmccoy@localhost) by m-net.arbornet.org (8.8.5/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA11754; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:29:43 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:29:43 -0500 (EST) From: Brian McCoy To: "Viteri, Ursulina" cc: "'Alan Lapp'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Newbie in the rain In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Do you speak from experience? :) Hows the knee? On Tue, 13 Jan 1998, Viteri, Ursulina wrote: > Here's an addition to things that don't mix: gravel, down shifting, > breaking, and turning. DON'T try it at home! > > - - Newbie advice > Brian P. McCoy - 86' VF500fg (street) - 92/94 RS125 (race) bmccoy@XXXXXX (work) (301)210-8000 x 2155 (work) bmccoy@XXXXXX (personal) (301)445-4451 (home) www.geocities.com\motorcity\1319 (OLD Homepage - view at your own risk) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 13:02:12 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA11828; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 13:02:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA00859; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 13:01:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from DONALD.CDER.FDA.GOV by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA03768; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 13:01:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from mr.cder.fda.gov by fdaserv.cder.fda.gov (PMDF V5.1-8 #21467) id <01ISBUW8XQV48ZI5UU@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 13:01:36 EST Received: with PMDF-MR; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:58:11 -0500 (EST) MR-Received: by mta DONALD; Relayed; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:58:11 -0500 Alternate-recipient: prohibited Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:58:33 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy Subject: Re: Newbie in the rain To: DC Cycles Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Posting-date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:58:34 -0500 (EST) Importance: normal Priority: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential UA-content-id: E1321IEW2SBL0 X400-MTS-identifier: [;11852131108991/2251250@FDACD] A1-type: MAIL Hop-count: 1 >Good point. My accident should bump me up a grade in the Newbie level >system. Only application of what you learn moves you along the newbie/motorcycle god continuum. >Would you believe I asked God that if he has any more falls for me in >mind could he do them while I'm dressing for winter riding. I'm sure >the extra layers of clothes (and naturally occurring insulation i.e.: >flab) kept me from getting really hurt. Imagine that same fall if it >had been summertime. Big Ouch! Hmmm, if it had been summertime I would've been dressed basically the same but without the electric vest... What body part(s) are you willing to have road rash (or worse) on? To me, summer is no excuse to not be protected. Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 13:23:58 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA12450; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 13:23:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA02613; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 13:22:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA04522; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 13:22:47 -0500 (EST) From: Jinn Sinn Message-ID: <591d1d5.34bbb0da@aol.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 13:22:17 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: RE: Newbie in the rain Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) In a message dated 1/13/98 12:30:01 PM, ursulina.viteri@XXXXXX wrote: <> but isn't it safer to downshift than to hit the brakes??? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 13:31:41 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA12629; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 13:31:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA03090; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 13:30:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from server4.illuminet.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA04821; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 13:30:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from kzbq ([155.9.196.10]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA21708; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 13:30:52 -0500 Message-ID: <34BBB27A.FB1099E8@illuminet.net> Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:29:14 -0600 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Viteri, Ursulina" CC: "'tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX'" , "'level_5_ltd@XXXXXX'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: Newbie in the rain X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I took my winter fall as a message from God to buy an Aerostich. I have a new one being built as we type. It costs $300 more than the most expensive bike I've ever bought. Leon. Viteri, Ursulina wrote: > Good point. My accident should bump me up a grade in the Newbie level > > system. > > Would you believe I asked God that if he has any more falls for me in > mind could he do them while I'm dressing for winter riding. I'm sure > the extra layers of clothes (and naturally occurring insulation i.e.: > flab) kept me from getting really hurt. Imagine that same fall if it > had been summertime. Big Ouch! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 13:32:52 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA12663; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 13:32:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA03134; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 13:31:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA04857; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 13:31:49 -0500 (EST) Received: by hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD2027.39F45850@XXXXXX>; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 13:29:08 -0500 Message-ID: From: To: Subject: FW: RE: Re: Newbie in the rain Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 13:29:06 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 31 TEXT Ok guys, in your motorcycle techno geek fashion, please explain to us why Marcy notices a slow down when she downshifts and how it could lead other dangerous actions if she uses the engine "to slow down" and then her brakes. Don't forget the potential and kinetic energies here. I just can't explain it myself very well. All I know is that down shifting gives the wheels more power when what you really want to do is remove power from the wheels and that's what braking does. I know on some of the twisties Sun., I had to brake and then downshift to get around some of those corners, but I have a 650 single cyclinder 4 speed. Tracy Horstman '87 Suzuki Savage 650 "There are 2 types of computer users in the world: Those that have lost data and those that are going to....." ---------- From: Jinn Sinn[SMTP:JinnSinn@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 1998 1:24 PM To: Horstman, Tracy L @ MAN Subject: Re: RE: Re: Newbie in the rain In a message dated 1/13/98 12:40:11 PM, you wrote: <> yes but I notice a definate slowing action when I downshift... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 13:47:13 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA13138; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 13:47:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA04116; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 13:45:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA05566; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 13:45:49 -0500 (EST) Received: by hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD2029.3149A5A0@XXXXXX>; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 13:43:12 -0500 Message-ID: From: To: Subject: FW: RE: Newbie in the rain Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 13:43:11 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 36 TEXT NO. It's always best to brake - what Ursulina did was take a MAJOR turn too fast that caused her to get out into some really bad gravel and down shifting gave he wheels more power so when she went around the curve leaning the bike went out from under her , braking didn't do anything for her because she did it too late - if she had slowed her bike down to stay in the corner and then downshift (since it was a very steep hill too) and went around the curve in a slow and control manner she would have been able to stay out of the gravel. The road we were on at Sugarloaf was really nasty for a newbie even for someone who may have been riding for awhile. Lots of gravel, grade, and gunk! I'm still a newbie myself - the more experienced riders should be able to really give better advice - mine's mostly book learnin' Tracy Horstman '87 Suzuki Savage 650 "There are 2 types of computer users in the world: Those that have lost data and those that are going to....." ---------- From: Jinn Sinn[SMTP:JinnSinn@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 1998 1:22 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: RE: Newbie in the rain In a message dated 1/13/98 12:30:01 PM, ursulina.viteri@XXXXXX wrote: <> but isn't it safer to downshift than to hit the brakes??? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 13:49:00 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA13157; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 13:49:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA04206; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 13:47:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from m-net.arbornet.org by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA05658; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 13:47:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (bmccoy@localhost) by m-net.arbornet.org (8.8.5/8.8.6) with SMTP id NAA25582 for ; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 13:28:39 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 13:28:39 -0500 (EST) From: Brian McCoy To: DC-Cycles list Subject: Re: Newbie in the rain In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Good point.. I wear my 'Stich year round.. but in the summer, I will have shorts on underneath - and the one time i was down when wearing shorts - I got nasty burn from the inside of my suit.. still better than from the road.. On Tue, 13 Jan 1998, Kirk Roy wrote: > Hmmm, if it had been summertime I would've been dressed basically the same > but without the electric vest... What body part(s) are you willing to have > road rash (or worse) on? To me, summer is no excuse to not be protected. > > Kirk > Brian P. McCoy - 86' VF500fg (street) - 92/94 RS125 (race) bmccoy@XXXXXX (work) (301)210-8000 x 2155 (work) bmccoy@XXXXXX (personal) (301)445-4451 (home) www.geocities.com\motorcity\1319 (OLD Homepage - view at your own risk) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 13:49:52 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA13181; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 13:49:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA04276; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 13:48:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA05682; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 13:48:48 -0500 (EST) From: Jinn Sinn Message-ID: <1606e9da.34bbb5a0@aol.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 13:42:39 EST To: tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: FW: RE: Re: Newbie in the rain Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) In a message dated 1/13/98 1:41:01 PM, tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX wrote: <> I'm all ears!!! Marcy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 13:52:16 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA13247; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 13:52:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA04505; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 13:51:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA05742; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 13:51:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id MAA20640; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:50:36 -0600 (CST) Received: from imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid01.mcit.com [166.37.221.13]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id NAA12581; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 13:50:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mci.com ([166.32.114.127]) by imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with ESMTP id <19980113185034.BQWB215@XXXXXX>; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:50:34 -0600 Message-ID: <34BBB77A.763B8AB1@mci.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 13:50:34 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Reply-To: Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jinn Sinn CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Newbie in the rain References: <591d1d5.34bbb0da@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jinn Sinn asked: > In a message dated 1/13/98 12:30:01 PM, ursulina.viteri@XXXXXX wrote: > > < breaking, and turning. DON'T try it at home!>> > > but isn't it safer to downshift than to hit the brakes??? I've found there are few absolute rules in motorcycling, but rather things that are true for different situations. If you are pulling high revs in top gear, down shifting might not be the best idea, especially if your clutch hand is still learning touch and control. If you are gently approaching a curve, downshifting before the curve will scrub off some speed and set you up nicely to roll on the throttle as you look through the turn. In general, any sudden action with the bikes controls, (i.e. downshifting quickly, grabbing at rather than sqeezing the brakes,etc.) runs the risk of upsetting the bike and causing problems. There are different ways to negotiate a tricky corner, especially when road surfaces are less than ideal. I would think that most involve gently working the controls, rather than instinctive sudden last second moves. Look ahead, stay alert, ride gently, and you'll probably do just fine. Rubber side down! Horkster From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 14:03:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA13419; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:03:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA05494; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:02:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from xgate.usia.gov by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA06127; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:02:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from Connect2 Message Router by xgate.usia.gov via Connect2-SMTP 4.31.02; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 13:58:30 -0500 Message-ID: <41B9BB3401BD1160@xgate.usia.gov> In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:00:15 -0500 From: "Adams, Bill" Sender: "Adams, Bill" Organization: USIA To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Enough Newbie in the rain subject lines!!! Importance: High X-SMF-Hop-Count: 2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Connect2-SMTP 4.31.02 MHS/SMF to SMTP Gateway This is gettin r'dic'lus. This list is getting really bad at one of my pet peeves... I'm not storming off in a huff, just tired of all the crap. L8r. Bill Adams 3D Artist/Animator '66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon, '81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard: "Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 14:08:27 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA13531; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:08:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA05659; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:07:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA06349; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:07:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id OAA10092; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:06:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid01.mcit.com [166.37.221.13]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id NAA02051; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 13:06:48 -0600 (CST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19980113190648.BSPB215@[166.41.242.141]>; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 13:06:48 -0600 Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 13:52 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: Jinn Sinn CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: RE: Newbie in the rain X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980113190648.BSPB215@[166.41.242.141]> Brakes is brakes. Their function is to allow you to decelerate. You can decelerate by down shifting. An extreme case may be to be in 2nd, High rpm and suddenly downshift. This is NOT a good idea (don't ask me how I know), and will slow your rear so suddenly it will be just like locking the rear. Light braking on gravel, even on the front, is ok. You just need to get used to your bikes capabilities. Relax, don't tense up (does'nt help anyway), and feel the grab. Todd <> but isn't it safer to downshift than to hit the brakes??? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 14:28:11 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA13886; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:28:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA07497; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:27:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA07028; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:27:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay2.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id OAA00862; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:27:03 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:25:27 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D37EC04@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Todd Peer'" , Jinn Sinn Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: RE: Newbie in the rain (Sorry, Bill...) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:24:37 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain I can vouch for the dangers of down-shifting too quickly from experience. It skids your rear tire in the rain badly...but at least I didn't fall! - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Todd Peer [SMTP:Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 1998 1:52 PM > To: Jinn Sinn > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: RE: Newbie in the rain > > > Brakes is brakes. Their function is to allow you to decelerate. > You can decelerate by down shifting. An extreme case may be to > be in 2nd, High rpm and suddenly downshift. This is NOT a good idea > (don't ask me how I know), and will slow your rear so suddenly it will > be just like locking the rear. > > Light braking on gravel, even on the front, is ok. You just need to > get used to your bikes capabilities. Relax, don't tense up (does'nt > help anyway), and feel the grab. > > Todd > > < breaking, and turning. DON'T try it at home!>> > > but isn't it safer to downshift than to hit the brakes??? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 14:28:42 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA13894; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:28:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA07606; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:27:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA07041; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:27:35 -0500 (EST) From: Jinn Sinn Message-ID: <5de951e2.34bbbddd@aol.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:17:48 EST To: badams@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Enough Newbie in the rain subject lines!!! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) In a message dated 1/13/98 2:13:08 PM, badams@XXXXXX wrote: <> Sorry to bore you Bill but I'm actually finding the various information useful as I have exactly 3 days experience riding in the rain and am not exactly sure as to the best way to go about it without killing myself. All you have to do is "ignore" the posts you don't want to read anyway, so what's the big deal? Marcy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 14:30:17 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA13941; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:30:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA07691; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:29:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA07123; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:29:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com by mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (8.8.8/McCaw V8 version 1) id LAA09121; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 11:28:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id LAA20412; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 11:28:38 -0800 Received: from hq-msg01.nwest.mccaw.com by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id LAA20405; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 11:28:37 -0800 Received: by hq-msg01.nwest.mccaw.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD2016.5F65D340@XXXXXX>; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 11:28:29 -0800 Message-ID: From: "Viteri, Ursulina" To: "'Kirk Roy'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Newbie in the rain Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 11:24:37 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 41 TEXT Oh, I'll learn from my mistakes that's for sure! During the summer I wasn't planning on wearing: * the lining in my leather jacket * fleece long sleeve top * long sleeve turtle neck * thick long johns * a pair of wool socks and a pair of cotton socks For summer I'll stick with the jacket, jeans, a shirt, and of course my reflective vest - it's seasonless. Ursulina Viteri 202-416-6534 * Fax 202-223-9095 AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. - Washington, DC >-----Original Message----- >From: Kirk Roy [SMTP:ROYK@XXXXXX] >Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 1998 9:59 AM >To: DC Cycles >Subject: Re: Newbie in the rain > >>Good point. My accident should bump me up a grade in the Newbie level >>system. > >Only application of what you learn moves you along the newbie/motorcycle >god continuum. > >>Would you believe I asked God that if he has any more falls for me in >>mind could he do them while I'm dressing for winter riding. I'm sure >>the extra layers of clothes (and naturally occurring insulation i.e.: >>flab) kept me from getting really hurt. Imagine that same fall if it >>had been summertime. Big Ouch! > >Hmmm, if it had been summertime I would've been dressed basically the same >but without the electric vest... What body part(s) are you willing to have >road rash (or worse) on? To me, summer is no excuse to not be protected. > >Kirk > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 14:31:19 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA13974; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:31:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA07812; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:30:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA07173; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:30:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com by mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (8.8.8/McCaw V8 version 1) id LAA09461; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 11:29:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id LAA20668; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 11:29:40 -0800 Received: from hq-msg01.nwest.mccaw.com by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id LAA20660; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 11:29:38 -0800 Received: by hq-msg01.nwest.mccaw.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD2016.83C1AFC0@XXXXXX>; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 11:29:30 -0800 Message-ID: From: "Viteri, Ursulina" To: "'Jinn Sinn'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: RE: Newbie in the rain Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 11:25:38 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 20 TEXT No, I don't think so. I have a feeling that's what caused me to fall over. Ursulina Viteri 202-416-6534 * Fax 202-223-9095 AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. - Washington, DC >-----Original Message----- >From: Jinn Sinn [SMTP:JinnSinn@XXXXXX] >Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 1998 10:22 AM >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: RE: Newbie in the rain > > >In a message dated 1/13/98 12:30:01 PM, ursulina.viteri@XXXXXX wrote: > ><breaking, and turning. DON'T try it at home!>> > >but isn't it safer to downshift than to hit the brakes??? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 14:37:02 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA14075; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:37:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA08194; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:35:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA07334; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:35:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from default ([12.68.75.144]) by mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA9154; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 19:35:18 +0000 Reply-To: "kevin thomas" From: "kevin thomas" To: "Jinn Sinn" Cc: "dc-cycles" Subject: Re: downshifting Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:31:59 -0500 Message-ID: <01bd2059$eb7f2b40$904b440c@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Marcy-- Brakes are for slowing down. Transmissions are for going. Don't downshift to slow down, only to get into the right gear to get going again. Brakes do a better job of slowing down, and they're _lots_ cheaper than transmissions. Brakes are easier to control and modulate than engine braking, too. Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 14:37:48 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA14104; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:37:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA08261; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:36:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from portal.visa.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA07379; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:36:44 -0500 (EST) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA07099 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Tue, 13 Jan 1998 11:36:32 -0800 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Tue, 13 Jan 1998 11:36:32 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'Jinn Sinn'" , "'badams@XXXXXX'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: The irony of it all Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 11:37:33 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 7 TEXT "Newbie in the rain" ... "Storming off in a huff" Nice metaphor... Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 14:38:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA14154; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:38:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA08311; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:37:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from portal.visa.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA07394; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:37:30 -0500 (EST) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA07190 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Tue, 13 Jan 1998 11:37:28 -0800 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Tue, 13 Jan 1998 11:37:28 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Newbie in the rain Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 11:38:32 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 6 TEXT >Oh, I'll learn from my mistakes that's for sure! It's usually much less painful to learn from others' Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 14:42:35 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA14213; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:42:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA08712; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:41:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA07569; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:41:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id OAA23759; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:40:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (nmta2.mcit.com [166.37.172.3]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id NAA09538; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 13:40:58 -0600 (CST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19980113194058.DGPI6587@[166.41.242.141]>; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:40:58 -0500 Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:32 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: CC: Subject: Gearing/Downshifting, For Bill..WAS: Re: Newbie in the rain X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980113194058.DGPI6587@[166.41.242.141]> >Ok guys, in your motorcycle techno geek fashion, please explain to us why >Marcy notices a slow down when she downshifts and how it could lead other >dangerous actions if she uses the engine "to slow down" and then her >brakes. Don't forget the potential and kinetic energies here. > >I just can't explain it myself very well. All I know is that down shifting >gives the wheels more power when what you really want to do is remove power >from the wheels and that's what braking does. I can't get too technical either, but will try to be illustrative. The graphs aren't precise, so I don't want to hear it. Power curves typically top out closer to the limit of a bikes rpm. Assume that your power curves (hp&torque) are the same for every gear. So if you are in First gear, your peak power may occur around 6500rpm (NOT for sportbikes, think 12500rpm). Curve in first gear: rpm Peak HP of 70 @ 6500 7000 .... | 6000 ....| 5000 .... | 4000 .... | 3000 .... | 2000 .... | 1000 ... | HP_________15 30 45 60 75 90 Dropping to 2nd gear from 3rd at 3000 rpm would put the engine at a higher rpm and higher on the power curve assuming your throttle stays the same. Assume dropping 3 to 2 from 3000rpm : rpm HP 7000 75 6000 70 5000 Y 65 4000 60 3000 X 55 2000 . 1000 . Gear 1 2 3 4 5 Y is now your potential power, at a higher rpm. >I know on some of the >twisties Sun., I had to brake and then downshift to get around some of >those corners, but I have a 650 single cyclinder 4 speed. > > > > >yes but I notice a definate slowing action when I downshift... If you downshift and throttle at the same time, with practice you will not notice a slowing action at all. The lack of throttle (gasoline) restricts the 'potential' power of the gear you are in. You really don't need to downshift to see this, BTW. Rev out your bike in 2nd gear, and gradually let off the throttle. You will feel the decel. The power is there only if the gasoline is there. Man, I hope I have this right. You real techies (Kevin, et al) are gonna wipe me up otherwise. (:-o Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 14:58:27 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA14871; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:58:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA10873; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:57:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA08336; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:57:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay2.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id OAA10604; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:57:13 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:55:37 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D37EC08@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'kevin thomas'" , Jinn Sinn Cc: dc-cycles Subject: RE: downshifting Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:54:46 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Ok, I'm confused. I was told that I should downshift & use the brakes as little as possible. Of course, this was told to me by someone who never took the MSF course. I guess bad habit ARE learned through others, eh? Can you give me the specific reasons (i.e. explain engine wear that happens, etc.) it's bad to downshift? I generally don't jerkily downshift, but I do downshift before curves to slow down & get in the correct gear for accelerating through a curve...is this wrong? - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: kevin thomas [SMTP:klthomas@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 1998 2:32 PM > To: Jinn Sinn > Cc: dc-cycles > Subject: Re: downshifting > > Marcy-- > > Brakes are for slowing down. Transmissions are for going. Don't > downshift > to slow down, only to get into the right gear to get going again. > Brakes do > a better job of slowing down, and they're _lots_ cheaper than > transmissions. > Brakes are easier to control and modulate than engine braking, too. > > Kevin > > He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing > it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 14:59:42 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA14935; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:59:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA11018; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:58:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA08379; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:58:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id OAA01523 for ; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:58:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid02.mcit.com [166.37.221.14]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id NAA17322 for ; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 13:58:05 -0600 (CST) Received: from mci.com ([166.32.114.127]) by imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with ESMTP id <19980113195804.OOB28757@XXXXXX> for ; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 13:58:04 -0600 Message-ID: <34BBC74B.457CD5D0@mci.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:58:04 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Reply-To: Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: learning from others References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On that note Michael, I'll resurrect this list I swiped from rec.moto a while back. Lots of funny yet informative things to not do in here. Ragards, Dale (the Horkster) Jordan, Michael wrote: > >Oh, I'll learn from my mistakes that's for sure! > > It's usually much less painful to learn from others' > > Michael J. 101 (or more) Ways To Drop Your Bike Compiled from rec.motorcycles 1. Putting your foot into a hole when stopping. 2. Putting your foot down on something slippery when stopping (gravel, dog shit etc). 3. Locking the front wheel during overenthusiastic braking. 4. Missing the driveway and sliding on the grass. 5. Not putting the kickstand down when getting off. 6. Make a turn from stop in gravel or sand at high throttle. 7. Not putting a board under the kickstand on asphalt on a hot day. 8. Letting overenthusiastic people sit on your bike who have never been on a bike. 9. Forgetting the bike's in gear when you jump on the kickstarter. 10. Revving the engine, releasing clutch, and putting feet on pegs when the light turns green, but the bike's in neutral. 11. Not putting your foot down when stopping on red light. 12. Losing balance when putting it on the centerstand. 13. Take an hour ride in 30 degree weather with no gloves, stop at a stop sign and pop the clutch when you start cause you've lost feeling in your hands. 14. Putting your foot down at a toll booth on the thick layer of grease that builds up when cars stop. 15. Using too much power when you pull out of a greasy toll booth. 16. Ignoring the sand that builds up in the spring at the side of the road in places that sand and salt roads in winter.(my wife dumped her bike at the end of our driveway last week) 17. Kicking your kickstand in a cool fashion and having it bounce back up instead of staying down. 18. Getting off your bike while it is running and forgetting that is in gear. (should have seen my wife do this one) 19. Trying to kickstart your first bike over and over 'cause you didn't realize that it was really out of fuel, and getting the goofy metal ring on the side of your boot caught in the kickstarter, causing you (and the bike) to go over on the right side. 20. Starting your brand-new electric-start trail-bike, riding around an ornamental shrub on full left lock, throwing it to the right and accelerating to wheelie over the curb onto the street and _then_ discovering that you hadn't unlocked the steering-lock... 21. On same bike, getting the dual-range lever caught inside your jeans as you come to a stop... 22. Having your boot/jeans catch the gear-lever and putting your running bike into first gear whilst reaching for the side-stand (which is why I now automatically pull in the clutch whenever deploying or retracting the stand). 23. Having "green" racing linings which have much higher coefficient of friction on the slight rust that forms on the polished drum when you've not ridden for a few hours, and lose the front-end holding the brakes on against the throttle to wear off the rust, with your brother on the back... 24. Having a three-cylinder two-stroke that's so smooth you think you're in second when you're actually in first, so you spin out when the undercarriage touches down in a tight corner passing a car and you think, "just a bit more throttle will help here..." 25. Revving bike in impressive squidly fashion at red light, thinking it's in neutral; dropping clutch and standing in place while bike wheelies and backflips into intersection. (saw it happen) 26. Having your fat-ass brother (as a pillion) lean waaay over to the side to look at something on the ground while at a stop sign. 27. Wife gets foot caught in saddlebag while getting on before you. 28. Rebuild carbs and treat bike like it still needs full gas away from a stop. 29. Add bald tires, and a smattering of rain to 28. 30. Look at the sand at the edge of the exit ramp rather than through the turn. 31. Neither you nor your dad watching while he's backing his car up to the woodpile to unload wood. 32. Not putting the pin that holds the center stand all the way in and then trying to put the bike on the center stand. 33. Trying to hold the bike upright before deploying the center stand only to find your knees are too weak from riding. 34. Park behind friend's mom's minivan figuring "If anybody goes anywhere, they'll surely see it. 'specially since there'll be 5 of them getting into the van. Why can't at LEAST ONE OF THEM LOOK AND SEE THE MOTORCYCLE SO PLAINLY IN VIEW BEHIND THEM?" "Damn." 35. After getting fuel at gas station and holding the bike level with your legs in order to fill it completely, jumping off forgetting that your legs were holding it upright not the kickstand. 36. Entering a DR ("decreasing radius") turn at too high of a speed... This is especially dangerous when making a right turn where if you attempt to straighten up and brake, you'll plow into oncoming traffic... 37. Trying to countersteer (or wheelie) your shaft driven bike? ;-} 38. Getting your boot/ shoelace caught on the gearshift. (I wear laceless boots now). 39. Attempting to kick start a cantankerous '84 CR500, whilst standing on a picnic table bench, and she *kicks* back! 40. Getting pissed off for dropping it in the first place, yanking it vigorously off the ground, only to have it dropped on the _other_ side. 41. Pulling out the swingarm stand, and forgetting to put the sidestand down first. 42. Backing down an inclined driveway, turning to either side with a full tank of gas. 43. Taking the bike off the centerstand and forgetting the sidestand. 44. Riding on wet grass with street tires (Almost as bad as ice!!) 45. Riding on wet asphalt with dirt tires (Almost as bad as ice!!) 46. *Thinking* the kick stand was down when it wasn't 47. Kick stand slowly burying itself in hot asphalt 48. Kick stand slowly burying itself in soft ground 49. Backing up perpendicular to a steeply sloped driveway and attempting to put your foot down on the downhill side while on a large bike with a high seat. (By the time your foot reaches the ground the bike is so far off center balance you won't be able to hold it up.) 50. Backing your bike down a plank, by yourself, from the bed of a pickup truck. Works great as long as you remember that once you start moving stopping for any correction is out of the question. Get two people to stand on each side of you and the bike. 51. Losing your balance when coming to a stop because of fatigue from a long trip. The wind and the buzz of the bike induces an unexpected case of vertigo. Stop often and rest. 52. Riding beyond your limits while trying to keep up with someone who is probably riding beyond their own. Always a temptation. The best riders/racers understand and use discipline when riding. 53. Not paying attention. Always strive to anticipate what could possibly go wrong and be planning what your going to do when it happens, eventually it will - and you'll be ready, instead of surprised when your much more likely to do something stupid and reactionary. 54. Assuming that all wet roads are created equal. They are much more slippery when it first starts to rain - until the oil and dirt are washed away. 55. Assuming that the condition of a blind corner is the same as it was the last time you rode it. Instead you find sticks, road kill, oil, rain wash, stones, pot holes, garbage etc. etc. 56. Not understanding how to get set-up for a corner when pushing the limits. In most cases the bike could have made the corner but the rider decided it couldn't and while in a panic attempted to correct the situation with the brake. WRONG! MSF course will discuss this at length. 57. Riding without all of the protective equipment because I forgot to bring it and after all it was just this one time. Turned out to be the wrong time! I forgot my MX boots and fell on a steeply banked corner and the foot peg attempted to drill into the back of my right calf. On crutches for 3 weeks with a deep bruise. 58. Using a little too much power turning the first corner after you've put on new tyres (with that nice slippery release compound on them). 59. Being to short for the bike you are riding, and coming to a stop sign. 60. Your rider hops on before you are ready. 61. Pushing your bike into the garage and letting it get leaned just a little away from you, pulling you on top of it to the ground. 63. Pulling off both fork caps while the bike is on its centerstand (did this) 64. Park pointing downhill, don't leave it in gear (almost did this, but caught it) 65. Park with sidestand facing up hill, sidestand is too long (Yamaha Radian 600) 66. Allow friend to ride bike that has either no riding experience, or only tiny dirtbike riding experience (they will wheelie out of control, fly straight at the nearest object, or drop it attempting to stop suddenly-happened to my bike twice) 67. Pulling into Dairy Queen and slipping on a spilt chocolate malt. 68. Sitting on your bike on an inclined driveway talking to a very pretty girl, forgetting where in the hell your mind is and then noticing that it's already too close to the ground to stop. 69. Change rear-end oil on a shaft drive bike, spill 90w on tire, don't clean it up and then make a really sharp turn out of the driveway. *Splat* 70. Parking your bike so that it stands upright w/the kick stand down and then having a slow leak in the rear tire which causes the kick stand to push the bike over (long story). 71. Running into a bus after a 120mph+ high speed chase where there is helicopter pursuit and you are being taped by 5 local news stations. 72. Spending 3 hours washing and waxing your bike and then stepping back to admire it with some buddies and then watch it fall right off its side stand while it was warming up. 73. Pushing it over. 74. Covering it with a windsail (aka canvas cover) and letting the wind push it over. 75. Unbolting too many components from the back so that the bike falls off the jack. 76. Having an internally rusted CX500 centre stand come apart whilst putting the bike onto it. 77. Discovering when you stop and try to put your foot down that the kickstart lever is up your pantleg. 78. Letting your wife drive the bike and having her stall it on an inclined driveway while in a 45 degree angle to the incline. 79. Entering a banked freeway onramp with a stoplight at the end, and realizing a little too late that the downside is just a _little_ steeper than you thought. 80. Whacking the throttle open on the highway when you think there's no cop around then slowing to normal speed again only to realize that a trooper has been trying to catch up with you for two miles and he's pissed so he decides to run you off the road because he thinks you were trying to run away from him, even though you explain to him that if you were trying to run that he wouldn't have caught you then getting out of any tickets because the *@!!$#, uh I mean cop, felt bad even though he never said "I'm sorry" . . . .but I'm not bitter 81. While pushing your bike in an attempt to start it by compression, jumping on side-saddle with excessive vigor. 82. Successfully compression starting your bike while running alongside, only to find out that you'd held a BIT too much throttle! 83. Deploying the centre-stand without noticing that the ground falls away on the other side. 84. Taking the wife on a ride on your brand new, first bike in 20+ years and making a slow, tight, turn on gravel. . . . 85. Riding in stilettos and getting stuck on the footrest 86. Swinging your legs too enthusiastically over the bike with tight trousers on and kicking it over 87. Dismounting while trying not to wet yourself (cold weather..tuh!) 88. Riding short distances side-saddle fashion 89. Pulling off with a blood alcohol level exceeding the stated limit... 90. reaching down to pick up your gloves/keys/glasses. 91. paying too much attention to the tiltometer on your valkarie 92. Dropping your dirtbike on the side of a steep hill covered in pine humus, then while getting it righted go over the down side because it's too far of an angle to get a foot down. 93. Trying to ride away on the side of a steep hill covered in pine humus which is slipperier than sand. 94. Bopping down the freshly-oiled farm lane to see the neighbor kid with my brother on the back, cautiously toeing the rear brake, feeling the rear wheel slide as we headed straight for the barn, grabbing a panicky handful of front brake, doing a slow highside despite dabbing mightily, sliding right up to the barn door prone on the well-oiled bike with my brother on top of the pile, and hearing the neighbor say "Didn't that thing used to be orange?" 95. kill the bike while leaned over trying to make a slow, sharp turn in a parking lot 96. Forgetting to remove the disc lock and taking off from the curb with haste.... Tends to break front caliper too. 97. Falling asleep. 98. Getting help from a neighbor in pushing your 750 up a steep ramp into a moving truck. Though he might assure you that he used to ride a motorcycle, it turns out it was a 125 in Bombay. He gets 2/3 of the way up the ramp, looks panicked, and his knees buckle. Crunch. 99. looking at the pretty curb to your left on a right-hand bank. 100.Trying to get a wasp out of your jacket while sitting on the bike, got stung twice before the bike fell. 101.Trying to start out in a quick turn (leaning in anticipation of giving it throttle) and stalling it out because the engine hasn't warmed yet - it's a nice, slow drop... 102.Forgetting to put in oil after an oil change. Starting 'er up, and wondering why the low oil pressure dummy light doesn't turn off. 103.After a brake job, forgetting to pump the lever/pedal a few times, and taking off, wondering why there's no brakes as you're coming up on the intersection. 104.Having a mechanical gate close on you as you're trying to ride through. 105.Hitting that patch of sand which has washed across the road on a blind bend. 106.Absentmindedly putting the bike on the kick stand and walking away before you check to see if the driveway is level ... "crunch". 107.Applying your usual amount of throttle but with a passenger behind you ... "cool ... look at that plane". 108.Pushing your bike into the crowded garage, letting it get leaned just a little away from you, pulling you on top of it into your vintage MG. 109.Popping a wheelie while showing off for a girl, almost looping it, slamming on the rear brake to compensate, and passing out from the bollocking several yards later. 110.Assuming the puddle of liquid behind the convenience store was water when it was actually used motor oil. 111.Starting bike while habitually squeezing clutch lever,standing to the left of the bike, remembering too late that the bike is in gear. Realize too late that the choke gives the bike enough power to drag you 30' across the parking lot in first gear... 112.On your third ride with your first ever bike. Stop at a red light. When the light turns green, you have to start uphill, and turn right at the same time. Somehow that overwhelmed me. I was probably "thinking" too much and just dropped it. Did a lot of uphill practicing after that!! 113.Parking on a bit of an incline (slopes down right to left), having your left foot slip a little when getting back on the bike, and slowly loosing your balance. (actually, may not have been slowly, might have been on of those "time slows down" moments) 114.Let your buddy ride it. And if you are really stupid let him ride it again. 115.Turning onto a busy street and in the middle of the turn you suddenly remember that this street has trolley tracks. 116.Put armor all on your tires to make them look nice and pretty and then ride on the white safety lane line as you take a HARD right turn at 35mph. 117.Throw a party and get together with a random girl on your bike in the garage while extremely drunk. *boom* 118.Pull into parking and failed to ensure proper extension of the sidestand....concluding then with near perfect execution of the Laugh-in scene where the bike topples over onto your leg, and your going down, pinned beneath. 119.Stop for gas, carefully shut off ignition and take key out (to unlock tank), carefully remove helmet and set it over mirror, carefully remove gloves and place on instruments, open jacket, step off bike ... forgetting to put sidestand down. 120.With bike off, try to make walking U-turn in driveway. Bike doesn't have necessary turning radius, front wheel leaves pavement and goes into soft dirt. 121.The setting: Bikes at inside end of driveway, on centerstands, facing away from front of driveway. Backing cage into driveway ... slowly ... at about the right point, stop ... note that cover on bike #1 is moving slightly ... notice bike #1 ever-so-slowly roll forward off its centerstand, then sideways into bike #2. Bike #2 stands there and takes it without falling ... but there's no way to get it to lift #1 122.Tweaking the front brake at a light as you JUST come to a stop with the forks turned to either side at ALL on a top-heavy bike. 123.Jump an old dirt bike over your parents' fence (use a ramp to get enough height). Realize on the way down that you *don't* know how to land. (I believe this was caused by "Adolescent Invincibility Syndrome".) 124.Test-ride an Electra Glide Sport (OK, these days it would have to be a Road King) around the old, cracked pavement in Brisbane near the Cow Palace. 125.Have a BMW with the sidestand linked to the clutch lever, so that pulling in the clutch retracts the stand. 126.Put the bike back together after waiting months since the last crash for a part to arrive, and don't install fuel filters. Gas tank rust clogs carburetor float needles, overflow tubes lube rear tire, brake to avoid manhole cover in curve, the waited-for part is broken. 127.Park next to some twat on a Triumph who leaves his disclock on, and return to find your XV1100 with a few dents and a little note saying 'Sorry' in the brake lever. (I left my phone number too...) 128.While riding home the day after getting your shiny new bike turn onto a dirt road and discover that they are in the process of combing the road and your front tire is now sliding through four inches of loose wet sand (Did I mention it was raining). While picking up your bike be sure to grind plenty of sand into the tank. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 15:05:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA15133; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 15:05:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA11554; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 15:04:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA08622; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 15:04:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id PAA04182; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 15:03:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid01.mcit.com [166.37.221.13]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA22145; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 15:03:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19980113200356.BYYC215@[166.41.242.141]>; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:03:56 -0600 Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:55 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: CC: Subject: Advice giving Was: Newbie in the rain X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980113200356.BYYC215@[166.41.242.141]> Tracy Horstman wrote: >I'm still a newbie myself - the more experienced riders should be able to >really give better advice - mine's mostly book learnin' Book learnin' is great. Application is even better! If you'd like advice while on a ride you should go ahead and ask for it and be prepared to decide for yourself. It's been awhile since I was a new rider, so sometimes I tend to forget who I'm riding with (especially in the recent few months). However, understand that more experience riders could tell you any number of horror stories while riding, and what they've done to improve the situation for the future, but it would be hard for you to relate for lack of experience. Experience is key. Catch 22, a-yup! One thing seems to be very common among new riders. For the first six months of riding (that is, at least 5 days a week), the world seems to be on the attack. Every cage, road conditions, weather and whatever you encounter while riding seems to want to kill you. Know what? IT DOES. But you will learn through experience what to do well in advance of something bad happening. I remember my first year out. Got run off the road 3-times. Know how many times since then? None. On reflection, I think it was me not knowing what to expect. I remember wearing jean shorts, tennis shoes and a tee-shirt for most of my first year. Kept a garbage bag and rope with me for the rain...Doh! Didn't know dooky about the MSF or anything motorcycles then. Picked up a few mags and began to imagine ToddBurger on the road if I didn't change my garb, and start working on my skills. My immediate advice to any new rider is to get to that book learnin', read moto-magazines, take an MSF course and apply what you've learned. And ride, ride RIDE. Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 15:06:46 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA15196; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 15:06:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA11582; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 15:05:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA08726; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 15:05:34 -0500 (EST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id OAA27685; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:04:25 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199801132004.OAA27685@dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com> Received: from slip166-72-74-83.dc.us.ibm.net(166.72.74.83) by dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma027627; Tue Jan 13 14:04:00 1998 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Bill Schmidt" To: "Viteri, Ursulina" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 15:04:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: RE: RE: Newbie in the rain Reply-to: billsch@XXXXXX Priority: normal In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) Perhaps the point that has been missed here is the key to stability in "marginal traction" situations is rate of application of the acceleration or deceleration force -- be it brake or engine. You need to assure that whatever force that's applied, whether through throttle or brake (or change of direction) does not exceed the traction margin available for the conditions. There's nothing about a downshift that inherently leads to any change in the rate of acceleration/deceleration. You can downshift to smoothly accelerate or smoothly decelerate. On the other hand, if you don't control the engine rpm, you can lock the rear wheel or make like a unicycle. One of the problems that beginners frequently have on wet/gravel/ice-covered roads is the use (or perhaps over-use) of the front brake -- an almost certain technique for kissing the ground. > No, I don't think so. I have a feeling that's what caused me to > fall over. > > Ursulina Viteri > 202-416-6534 * Fax 202-223-9095 > AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. - Washington, DC > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Jinn Sinn [SMTP:JinnSinn@XXXXXX] > >Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 1998 10:22 AM > >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >Subject: Re: RE: Newbie in the rain > > > > > >In a message dated 1/13/98 12:30:01 PM, ursulina.viteri@XXXXXX wrote: > > > >< >breaking, and turning. DON'T try it at home!>> > > > >but isn't it safer to downshift than to hit the brakes??? > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 15:08:19 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA15313; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 15:08:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA11656; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 15:07:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA08878; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 15:07:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id OAA23773; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:06:22 -0600 (CST) Received: from imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid01.mcit.com [166.37.221.13]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA19307; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 15:06:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19980113200621.BZFJ215@[166.41.242.141]>; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:06:21 -0600 Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:56 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: "Jordan, Michael" CC: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: The irony of it all X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980113200621.BZFJ215@[166.41.242.141]> >"Newbie in the rain" ... "Storming off in a huff" > >Nice metaphor... > >Michael J. Don't know if he meant it that way, but LOL. Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 15:25:57 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA15775; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 15:25:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA12095; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 15:24:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from m-net.arbornet.org by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA09552; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 15:24:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (bmccoy@localhost) by m-net.arbornet.org (8.8.5/8.8.6) with SMTP id OAA10520 for ; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:56:07 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:56:06 -0500 (EST) From: Brian McCoy To: DC-Cycles list Subject: summer gear? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Be warned - Jeans may help a little in a crash - but even over 15 MPH you're going to do a lot of damage to the jeans - and your leg. You saw the jeans I was wearing on Sunday? I went down in those 2 years ago at 10mph - the jeans were torn, and my leg was severly mangled (well, the skin was at least) - having a scotch-bright pad scrubbed on the was not the most pleasent feeling - and I don't want to do it again... I DO ride in jeans still in the summer - but I don't feel comfortable when I do... Anyway, YMMV On Tue, 13 Jan 1998, Viteri, Ursulina wrote: > > For summer I'll stick with the jacket, jeans, a shirt, and of course my > reflective vest - it's seasonless. > Brian P. McCoy - 86' VF500fg (street) - 92/94 RS125 (race) bmccoy@XXXXXX (work) (301)210-8000 x 2155 (work) bmccoy@XXXXXX (personal) (301)445-4451 (home) www.geocities.com\motorcity\1319 (OLD Homepage - view at your own risk) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 15:44:23 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA16043; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 15:44:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA12382; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 15:43:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA00602; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 15:43:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id OAA09686; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:42:35 -0600 (CST) Received: from imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid02.mcit.com [166.37.221.14]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id OAA14615; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:42:34 -0600 (CST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19980113204234.TNA28757@[166.41.242.141]>; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:42:34 -0600 Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 15:33 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" CC: dc-cycles Subject: RE: downshifting X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980113204234.TNA28757@[166.41.242.141]> Jeannette O'Brien wrote: >Ok, I'm confused. I was told that I should downshift & use the brakes >as little as possible. Of course, this was told to me by someone who >never took the MSF course. I guess bad habit ARE learned through >others, eh? Can you give me the specific reasons (i.e. explain engine >wear that happens, etc.) it's bad to downshift? I generally don't >jerkily downshift, but I do downshift before curves to slow down & get >in the correct gear for accelerating through a curve...is this wrong? > >Kevin Thomas wrote: > > > >Brakes are for slowing down. Transmissions are for going. Don't > >downshift > >to slow down, only to get into the right gear to get going again. > >Brakes do > >a better job of slowing down, and they're _lots_ cheaper than > >transmissions. > >Brakes are easier to control and modulate than engine braking, too. > > If you practice downshifting for every curve, I'd say it is wrong. Of course your gearing may be exceptional for this. I don't agree with Kevin explicitly, but what he says about the brakes and trany are true. I sometimes engine brake ONLY for a stop light until I need to pull the clutch in, and then I brake from a 5mph roll. Most times I use the combination. Like you, I'm still unclear what damage I could be doing to the trany while engine braking. I read it here where downshifting in a corner was not a good idea. I tend to agree with this bit of advice. Chirping your rear while leaned over might work for some, but I'd be afraid of sliding out. Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 15:50:48 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA16193; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 15:50:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA12493; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 15:49:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from m-net.arbornet.org by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA00804; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 15:49:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (bmccoy@localhost) by m-net.arbornet.org (8.8.5/8.8.6) with SMTP id PAA18063 for ; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 15:40:51 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 15:40:50 -0500 (EST) From: Brian McCoy To: DC-Cycles list Subject: RE: downshifting In-Reply-To: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D37EC08@badge.tuckerflyer.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Downshifting to get into the proper gear is Perfect - that's what you should do - but using the engine to slow you is a bad thing - it puts excessive wear on the engine and transmision. Well, bikes like our V4's are relitivly indestructable - but everything wears and breaks - why not prolong that for as long as possible? Especially when the brakes do such a Great job at slowing us down? This is a case of 'do as i say, and not as I do' - but I have a reason behind my engine braking - my brakes don't work worth a damn. If I didn't use the engine to slow down, I'd end up hurting myself somewhere (just means I plan ahead and try to never get over my head.) It makes me a more conservitive rider I guess (alright, stop laughing y'all... I mean it... stop laughing.. ;).. one mans opinions... non techincal opinions too.. :P On Tue, 13 Jan 1998, O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: > Ok, I'm confused. I was told that I should downshift & use the brakes > as little as possible. Of course, this was told to me by someone who > never took the MSF course. I guess bad habit ARE learned through > others, eh? Can you give me the specific reasons (i.e. explain engine > wear that happens, etc.) it's bad to downshift? I generally don't > jerkily downshift, but I do downshift before curves to slow down & get > in the correct gear for accelerating through a curve...is this wrong? > > - Jeannette Brian P. McCoy - 86' VF500fg (street) - 92/94 RS125 (race) bmccoy@XXXXXX (work) (301)210-8000 x 2155 (work) bmccoy@XXXXXX (personal) (301)445-4451 (home) www.geocities.com\motorcity\1319 (OLD Homepage - view at your own risk) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 16:32:50 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA17240; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 16:32:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA13869; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 16:31:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA02398; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 16:31:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com by mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (8.8.8/McCaw V8 version 1) id NAA13462; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 13:30:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id NAA19635; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 13:30:39 -0800 Received: from hq_msg01.nwest.mccaw.com by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id NAA19619; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 13:30:36 -0800 Received: by hq_msg01.nwest.mccaw.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD2027.664911C0@XXXXXX>; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 13:30:22 -0800 Message-ID: From: "Viteri, Ursulina" To: "'Brian McCoy'" , "'DC-Cycles list'" Subject: RE: summer gear? Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 13:26:36 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 39 TEXT Now you're scaring me, so quit it! : - ) I know jeans aren't the greatest but what else can I do? Get those Kevlar padded jeans (Draggin Jeans) advertised in the back of cycle magazines? Has anyone tried them? And what does YMMV mean? Ursulina Viteri 202-416-6534 * Fax 202-223-9095 AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. - Washington, DC >-----Original Message----- >From: Brian McCoy [SMTP:bmccoy@XXXXXX] >Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 1998 11:56 AM >To: DC-Cycles list >Subject: summer gear? > >Be warned - Jeans may help a little in a crash - but even over 15 MPH >you're going to do a lot of damage to the jeans - and your leg. You saw >the jeans I was wearing on Sunday? I went down in those 2 years ago at >10mph - the jeans were torn, and my leg was severly mangled (well, the >skin was at least) - having a scotch-bright pad scrubbed on the was not >the most pleasent feeling - and I don't want to do it again... I DO ride >in jeans still in the summer - but I don't feel comfortable when I do... > >Anyway, YMMV > >On Tue, 13 Jan 1998, Viteri, Ursulina wrote: >> >> For summer I'll stick with the jacket, jeans, a shirt, and of course my >> reflective vest - it's seasonless. >> > >Brian P. McCoy - 86' VF500fg (street) - 92/94 RS125 (race) >bmccoy@XXXXXX (work) (301)210-8000 x 2155 (work) >bmccoy@XXXXXX (personal) (301)445-4451 (home) >www.geocities.com\motorcity\1319 (OLD Homepage - view at your own risk) > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 16:34:04 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA17255; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 16:34:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from ringding.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA13903; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 16:33:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from sundown.northgrum.com by ringding.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA02490; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 16:32:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from puff.northgrum.com (puff.northgrum.com [157.127.103.139]) by sundown.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id NAA23108 for ; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 13:27:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from xcgca011.northgrum.com ([157.127.103.101]) by puff.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id NAA20312 for ; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 13:27:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by XCGCA011 with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 13:28:34 -0800 Message-ID: <11D743514607D011A15500805FEA3464A45DDB@xcgva001.grumman.com> From: "Meier, Christopher" To: "Viteri, Ursulina" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX, "'billsch@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: RE: Newbie in the rain Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 13:28:21 -0800 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain > ---------- > From: Bill Schmidt[SMTP:billsch@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 1998 3:04 PM > To: Viteri, Ursulina; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: RE: Newbie in the rain > > Perhaps the point that has been missed here is the key to > stability in "marginal traction" situations is rate of application of > the acceleration or deceleration force -- be it brake or engine. You > need to assure that whatever force that's applied, whether > through throttle or brake (or change of direction) does not exceed > the traction margin available for the conditions. > > Exactly! Well said. Also keep in mind that available traction can be a variable of suspensions and their compression at the time. To wit ... if you are slamming through a corner to hot and on the throttle, when you panic and roll off the throttle, you shift the weight of the bike forward and "lighten the load" on the rear wheel, upsetting the 60-40 rear balance that is generally accepted as optimal. Couple that with a downshift at too much RPM and you have a problem since the contact patch is already lessened by the lean angle, AND the tire grip is lessened by the weight transfer ... of course when you add rain to that equation ... well you get the point. I find that the best strategy when riding in the rain, is the same one I use when I carry passengers ... _be smooth_ and leave a bit more following distance and stopping room. I find that the best strategy when too hot into a corner in dry conditions is to trust the bike and increase the lean angle, as I rarely push the limit of my bike such that there not any lean left. YMMV, and probably does, chris PS regarding Ursula's "mishap" ... I had a bed feeling as we were heading up to Sugarloaf that something might happen. I was in the fast pack at the front and came into a corner a little bit hot, and got off line (not out of my lane, but off the line I wanted to take). As I drifted wide and crossed the middle of my own lane (I set up the line on the inside) I hit a sandy/gravel patch and slid both wheels of the RF about a foot out. Not a big problem, I recovered just fine and just had a minor butt pucker :-) ... but I got really nervous for those following us ... since I knew they were still learning some of the ropes. I am very glad that you were OK and think it will be a good lesson in the end. BTW, you just switch camps in the old axiom "there are two types of riders ... those that have gone down and those that will go down" :-) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 17:59:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA18578; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 17:59:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA15693; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 17:58:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA02204; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 17:58:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.144] (unverified [207.226.128.144]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 18:02:39 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: tire vendors, balancers, mounters... Date: Tue, 13 Jan 98 17:58:11 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Alan Lapp" , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >It sounds like the shop you mentioned is cutting tire prices, but making it >up in service. Sadly, no. They don't have cheap tire prices either. They have the only shop in Charles or St. Mary's counties and they gouge the customer in return. Anybody have any luck with Clinton Cycles? (Now it should be called Ft. Washington Cycles:) Maybe I'll call up there today. It's a little further for me, but not too bad (especially since moving to the apartment last month:) ``` (o o) *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| *--------------------------oooO------------* |__||__| || || ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 18:09:22 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA18839; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 18:09:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA15802; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 18:08:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.his.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA02494; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 18:08:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from harris.his.com (harris.his.com [205.252.80.17]) by mail.his.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA15555 for ; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 18:08:01 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980113175533.008bda70@mail.his.com> X-Sender: harris@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 17:55:33 -0500 To: dc-cycles From: Stephen Harris Subject: Re: Sunday Trip Report In-Reply-To: <34B98ECD.3117@mnsinc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 07:32 PM 1/11/98 -0800, John C. Kozyn wrote: >Great weather, nice ride. Thanks again Steve. One and all are welcome. I'm glad everything workout fine. Happy that Ursulina didn't get hurt (think of the kool stories you now have, stuffed it chasing a couple of racers up a mountian...:-). Stephen --- Stephen Taylor Harris http://www.his.com/~harris From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 18:49:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA19819; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 18:49:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA16040; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 18:48:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA04423; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 18:48:29 -0500 (EST) From: bmccoy@XXXXXX Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id SAA03157 for ; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 18:29:14 -0500 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma002908; Tue, 13 Jan 98 18:28:50 -0500 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id SAA18839 for ; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 18:28:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.10.00) id AA884731713; Tue, 13 Jan 98 18:25:56 -0500 Message-Id: <9801138847.AA884731713@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.10.00 Date: Tue, 13 Jan 98 13:45:21 -0500 Cc: Subject: Was(Re[2]: Newbie in the rain ) .. now??? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Good lord Leon - you've never spent more than $500 on any one motorcycle? Heck, even my best buy didn't get below $700 - though i did buy my truck for $100 (52 Check pick-um-up truck)... Brian ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ I took my winter fall as a message from God to buy an Aerostich. I have a new one being built as we type. It costs $300 more than the most expensive bike I've ever bought. Leon. Viteri, Ursulina wrote: > Good point. My accident should bump me up a grade in the Newbie level > > system. > > Would you believe I asked God that if he has any more falls for me in > mind could he do them while I'm dressing for winter riding. I'm sure > the extra layers of clothes (and naturally occurring insulation i.e.: > flab) kept me from getting really hurt. Imagine that same fall if it > had been summertime. Big Ouch! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 19:17:10 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA20308; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 19:17:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA16302; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 19:15:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA05596; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 19:15:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from default ([12.68.78.38]) by mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA3962; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 00:15:22 +0000 Reply-To: "kevin thomas" From: "kevin thomas" To: "Viteri, Ursulina" Cc: "dc-cycles" Subject: Re: gear Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 19:11:59 -0500 Message-ID: <01bd2081$098ac000$LocalHost@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Ursulina-- The Kevlar jeans seem to be useful. A couple of listers have them, but I don't think they've been "tested". The ones from Two Brothers Racing are said to be better than the Draggins. In real tests by Cycle World, regular jeans didn't cut it. They dragged various materials sewn to sandbags down the road until the bag started leaking sand (and chalk added to make the leak visible) at 50mph. Competition weight leather went 86ft. Kevlar went 22 ft 1in. Cordura 440 18ft 3in. Fashion leather 4ft 4in. Jeans 3ft 10in. I've been down 3 times. Only one involved me sliding on pavement. That time, I lowsided, but my short slide was mostly on my leather jacket. I was wearing a backpack crammed full of textbooks (on the way home from the 1st day of school), and it seems like my legs were kinda in the air. I was top heavy. Anyway, 1.25 inch hole in the jacket, light scrape on me, no jeans damage. Competition weight is 1.3 mm. Mine was 1.1. Not all companies make accurate claims about thickness, btw. I pray for similar good fortune whenever I ride in jeans. I now have leather pants, but don't always wear them. One problem is anything I wear or carry to school, I have to wear or carry around all day. YMMV: your mileage may vary Colleen sells used and new leather. You can email her at MotorLE@XXXXXX. Her web page with an inventory listing is http://members.aol.com/motorle/index.html She is honest and reliable. See ya Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 19:28:21 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA20416; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 19:28:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA16364; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 19:27:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA05852; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 19:27:15 -0500 (EST) From: MotorLE Message-ID: <6a3db417.34bc063a@aol.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 19:26:32 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX Subject: Re: learning from others (101 ways to drop your bike) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) I myself have dropped my motorcycles with the following methods: 1,2,5,7,9,38,81,112 (but it was my first new bike ride, not my third), and114. But the list left out my favorite, #129, which is : On a nice sunny day with lots of people watching from the balcony, falling over trying to avoid the child crouched down on the sidewalk in front of the bar who I didn't see until I was already on the sidewalk. There's a #130 as well, but I won't go into that. Colleen From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 19:32:41 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA20486; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 19:32:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA16386; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 19:31:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA05937; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 19:31:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from default ([12.68.78.38]) by mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA27522 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 00:30:53 +0000 Reply-To: "kevin thomas" From: "kevin thomas" To: "dc-cycles" Subject: used leather, BMWs Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 19:27:36 -0500 Message-ID: <01bd2083$3733fb00$LocalHost@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003C_01BD2059.4E5DF300" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003C_01BD2059.4E5DF300 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey, y'all-- All this talk about newbies and falling down reminds me it's time for a = reminder. Colleen , our fellow lister, sells used and new leather and used BMW = parts. Also an occasional BMW cycle. She never promotes her business = on the list; she's concerned you might think she's spamming. I think = she'd do us all a big favor if she did promote her business, but nobody = ever listens to me. So once in a while, I do a little promoting. Here = it is. =20 Colleen has a huge inventory of new and used leather, including some = non-motorcycle stuff. She has boots, gloves, jackets, pants, suits, = chaps, rainsuits (new), and a new XL Arai XR7RR (or something like = that). Also some motorcycle miscellany, including a VF500 Interceptor = Clymer's manual. She has used BMW parts, and has a gorgeous 87 R80 = (RS?) for sale. She also may still have a room for rent in Silver = Spring, with garage space for your motorcycle. You can email her at MotorLE@XXXXXX. Her web page with an inventory = listing is http://members.aol.com/motorle/index.html She is honest = and reliable. =20 If this sounds like spam, complain to me, not Colleen. If any of the = specific items I mentioned are no longer available, that's my fault for = not checking. Sorry. Later Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. ------=_NextPart_000_003C_01BD2059.4E5DF300 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hey, = y'all-- 
 
All this talk about newbies and = falling down=20 reminds me it's time for a reminder.
 
Colleen , our fellow lister, sells used and new leather and used = BMW=20 parts.  Also an occasional BMW cycle.  She never promotes her = business=20 on the list; she's concerned you might think she's spamming.  I = think she'd=20 do us all a big favor if she did promote her business, but nobody ever = listens=20 to me.  So once in a while, I do a little promoting.  Here it=20 is. 
 
Colleen has a huge inventory of new and used leather, including = some=20 non-motorcycle stuff.  She has boots, gloves, jackets, pants, = suits, chaps,=20 rainsuits (new), and a new XL Arai XR7RR (or something like that).  = Also=20 some motorcycle miscellany, including a VF500 Interceptor Clymer's = manual. =20 She has used BMW parts, and has a gorgeous 87 R80 (RS?) for = sale.  =20 She also may still have a room for rent in Silver Spring, with garage = space for=20 your motorcycle.
 
You can email her at MotorLE@XXXXXX.    = Her web=20 page with an inventory listing is  http://members.aol.com= /motorle/index.html    =20 She is honest and reliable. 
 
If this sounds like spam, complain to me, not Colleen.  If any = of the=20 specific items I mentioned are no longer available, that's my fault for = not=20 checking.  Sorry.
 
Later
Kevin 
 
He who says it cannot be done should = not=20 interrupt him who is doing it.
------=_NextPart_000_003C_01BD2059.4E5DF300-- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 20:59:03 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA21601; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 20:59:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA17478; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 20:57:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp3.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA07631; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 20:57:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (spg-as99s69.erols.com [207.172.88.20]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA27103 for ; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 21:01:43 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <34BC1B17.95DAB7B7@geocities.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 20:55:35 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Hot Corners was Re: Newbie in the rain References: <11D743514607D011A15500805FEA3464A45DDB@xcgva001.grumman.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Good point Chris...Most accidents when people are too hot in the corner is due to panicking and standing the bike up through braking then out the back of the corner. It sounds strange at first, but applying more power and crank the lean on down is the best way to get through safely. Applying the power will keep weight on the rear and give you more ground clearance for a steeper lean angle on the front...humbly paraphrased from Mr. Keith Code's "Soft Science of RoadRacing". Collin Meier, Christopher wrote: > I find that the best strategy when too hot into a corner in dry > conditions is to trust the bike and increase the lean angle, as I rarely > push the limit of my bike such that there not any lean left. > -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 20:59:25 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA21614; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 20:59:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA17482; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 20:58:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.mnsinc.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA07646; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 20:58:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay.mnsinc.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA19319 for ; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 20:58:15 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <34BC4659.146A@mnsinc.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 21:00:09 -0800 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Braking and Turning Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Louis wrote: > One thing I've read, but haven't tried, is that if you do need to brake in > a curve, start with the rear brake, that helps to control the weight shift > forward, and keeps some more traction on the rear tire. Again, I haven't > tested this, maybe others have? I did not know that controlled rear braking would facilitate the weight transfer, but curiously I've been doing that for a long time now. Never really thought about it much, but I find that carefully modulated braking (front + rear) while turning is possible, although I feel way more confident if I'm up straight. I also agree with another remark (Chris Norloff's ?) that when roadway is dry, just lean and give it more gas. Although I should admit that when having done so I am _paranoid_ my rear wheel will slide and make me lowside. JK From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 21:24:21 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA21949; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 21:24:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA17681; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 21:23:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp3.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA08130; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 21:23:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (spg-as99s69.erols.com [207.172.88.20]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA12252 for ; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 21:27:11 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <34BC210E.4C7BC784@geocities.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 21:21:02 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Ridin Gear Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Can't remember if it was on this list or one of the many other that I waste all kinds of time readin, but someone posted the results of a scientific test which showed the abrasion resistance of the various gear. The outline of the results was pretty much the same as the one Kevin mentioned by cycle world.... What it boiled down to, though, is that there is no substitute for good quality leather. Cheap leather and Cordura came in an extreme distant second. New denim offered slightly better protection than worn denim; however, the denim results were negligibly better than bare skin!! Personally, I feel extremely uncomfortable in jeans on a bike, but that's because I generally always wear my extra heavy leather pants and jacket..all the time..even when it tops 100 in the summer. The gas station 5 houses up from my house is about as far as I'll go in jeans...It's your skin though... I've had a skin graft before..and I never want that experience again :) (The bone graft was even worse, but at least it left a neato scar) Collin -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 21:53:08 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA22276; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 21:53:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA17796; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 21:51:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from welchlink.welch.jhu.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA08593; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 21:51:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from firewall_out.adventisthealthcare.com ([209.49.109.130]) by welchlink.welch.jhu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA28741 for ; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 21:49:20 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980113215253.006a68fc@pop.mindspring.com> Received: from [172.16.4.56] by firewall_out.adventisthealthcare.com via smtpd (for welchlink.welch.jhu.edu [128.220.59.78]) with SMTP; 14 Jan 1998 02:51:50 UT X-Sender: hggmd@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 21:52:53 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." Subject: Pantyhose condoms (Protective Gear) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" With my mix of medicine and motorcycles, I have a unique perspective on gear, having seen the range of results first hand. I never appreciated what real protective gear was until I got my Vanson armored leathers. Now, I try to wear full leathers or my padded cordura riding suit (in bad/cold) whenever I'm on my bike. When it's really hot I'll wear jeans, but I really feel naked in them. Actually, it's more the feeling of using a condom made from pantyhose: you can only convince yourself of so much since you know better. Consequently, I'm looking into a two-piece Aerostich with armor. At minimum, though, I don't move unless I've got my helmet, jacket, gloves, and boots on (check my website for specifics). All my equipment have vents or vary by season. If I can't plan a route where I can keep moving in the heat, I'd rather be creeping in the Rover with the AC on and cup holders filled than ride unprotected. Harry Bethesda, MD '97 BMW R1100RT http://www.greenspun.com/harry/bikes.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 21:55:04 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA22333; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 21:55:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA17913; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 21:54:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA08749; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 21:53:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-3.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.44]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA05170 for ; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 21:53:26 -0500 Message-ID: <012601bd2097$e18e6cc0$2c10b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "dc-cycles" Subject: Re: downshifting Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 21:53:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 FWIW -- a quick and dirty personal creed that has seemed to guide me through most downshifting over the (car and bike) years -- "Engines go, Brakes stop". (resurrected from 5-on-the-floor days, and tempered by sage comments such as below and extended discussions elsewhere). The reason for downshifting is to prepare the engine speed/power range for the next smooth go (curves, traffic), without using traction. (If a full stop looms -- it's both my hands agripping.) Assuming potent brakes, engine braking is an inefficient byproduct of the downshifting and driving process, to be avoided (difficult, much of the time) for all kinds of reasons. (This ignores, of course, the occasional visceral pleasures and attractions of rumbling, popping pipes.) As Brian McCoy (if I may) said [about [braking] downshifting ] "Why? Brake pads are SOOOO much cheaper than engine parts..." Well, there's a lot more bike and track experience than I have talking on this here. It's just that I've found a lot sorted out by asking "When do I want to stop, and when do I want to be prepared to go?" And trying to get my (never enough) hands and feet to do the right thing. Bill Swanson 96 Vulcan 500 LTD Downtown DC AMA, + -----Original Message----- From: Todd Peer Date: Tuesday, January 13, 1998 4:14 PM >Jeannette O'Brien wrote: >>Ok, I'm confused. I was told that I should downshift & use the brakes >>as little as possible. Of course, this was told to me by someone who >>never took the MSF course. I guess bad habit ARE learned through >>others, eh? Can you give me the specific reasons (i.e. explain engine >>wear that happens, etc.) it's bad to downshift? I generally don't >>jerkily downshift, but I do downshift before curves to slow down & get >>in the correct gear for accelerating through a curve...is this wrong? >> >>Kevin Thomas wrote: >> > >> >Brakes are for slowing down. Transmissions are for going. Don't >> >downshift >> >to slow down, only to get into the right gear to get going again. >> >Brakes do >> >a better job of slowing down, and they're _lots_ cheaper than >> >transmissions. >> >Brakes are easier to control and modulate than engine braking, too. >> > > > If you practice downshifting for every curve, I'd say it is wrong. >Of course your gearing may be exceptional for this. > > I don't agree with Kevin explicitly, but what he says about the >brakes and trany are true. I sometimes engine brake ONLY for a stop >light until I need to pull the clutch in, and then I brake from a 5mph >roll. Most times I use the combination. Like you, I'm still unclear >what damage I could be doing to the trany while engine braking. > > I read it here where downshifting in a corner was not a good idea. >I tend to agree with this bit of advice. Chirping your rear while >leaned over might work for some, but I'd be afraid of sliding out. > > Todd > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 22:08:15 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA22599; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 22:08:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA18433; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 22:07:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from welchlink.welch.jhu.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA09132; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 22:06:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from firewall_out.adventisthealthcare.com ([209.49.109.130]) by welchlink.welch.jhu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA01765 for ; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 22:04:28 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980113220801.006a7678@pop.mindspring.com> Received: from [172.16.4.56] by firewall_out.adventisthealthcare.com via smtpd (for welchlink.welch.jhu.edu [128.220.59.78]) with SMTP; 14 Jan 1998 03:06:57 UT X-Sender: hggmd@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 22:08:01 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." Subject: Wednesday Ride Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Okay, Looking at the weather page (http://www.weatherpost.com/cities/mdbe.htm) it looks like tomorrow (Wednesday) is going to be the best day this week. Anyone up for riding? Before everyone gets their knickers in a twist about me riding instead of working, here are the facts: I'll have worked 24 hours straight, which is why I'll be off. Thankfully it's coinciding with some nice weather. I'll probably do another Catoctin loop. Meanwhile, once you've gotten over your jealousy (if you have to work or can't quit your job) you can start feeling sorry for me because I'm on call all weekend, which is supposed to be beautiful. Worse yet, it's my birthday Friday! Harry Bethesda, MD '97 BMW R1100RT http://www.greenspun.com/harry/bikes.htm "The more you live, the less you die." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 22:37:20 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA22992; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 22:37:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA19152; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 22:36:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA09713; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 22:36:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mberman@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id WAA11341; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 22:43:12 -0500 Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 22:43:11 -0500 (EST) From: Morris Berman To: Michael Cruz cc: "Cycles, DC -- DC Cycles" Subject: My Great Western Adventure (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hmmm, a cross country trip. I almost did this past summer. I only went as far west as Idaho, I just did a great western parks tour. I had about two weeks to do mine on a 96 GPz 1100. My goals were a little different than yours. I went out to SD on the interstates and then tried to stay off of them until I returned back East from Denver. I would suggest not taking all interstates, as you'll miss some of the best roads in the country. I wrote up a (sort of) long trip report from that trip that I'll forward to you. (I actually posted it to DC-Cycles a few months ago) A few brief comments: Southern Montana (especially Eastern) is not worth the trouble (in my opinion). If you can, definately try to get on the Bear Tooth Highway into Yellowstone. The Camelback was very nice to have, but I used it way too much and ended up taking more bladder stops than necessary. I had a three bag Givi setup on my GPz that worked well for me (until it broke). Most of my camping I did in Dept of Agriculture campgrounds, they can be found all over the National Forests. They cost about $5-$15 and you pay by dropping cash into a drop box. Definately be concerned about bears when you're camping out west, you do NOT want ANY food in your tent. Since you're riding a chain-driven machine, you'll REALLY appreciate a shaftie after your trip. Be SURE have chain lube ith you and plan to adjust your chain several times throughout your trip. As a result, you will find it very nice to have some waterless handcleaner with you and some papertowels (Fast Orange is available in small tubes at Trak Auto). You probably will want to augment the bike's stock tool set. Be sure that you are comfortable doing your own minor maintenance. One thing I discovered mid-trip was that I didn't have the proper socket to remove my Givi rack (see trip report). Also, you will be riding in the rain, be prepared for it. Beware of wash-outs during short-intense desert rainstorms. Start the trip with a new set of tires, as they will probably be spent by the time you're done. It's much easier to waste a few thousand miles of tread at home, than waste time in mid-trip with a tire change. A radio is very nice to have, especially for weather/traffic reports. Speaking of which, you WILL find construction on the interstates out west. You may run into signs on state roads such as: "Warning: pavement ends", "Warning: Fresh Oil/Loose Gravel Ahead." Just be ready for them. Also remember travel at sustained legal western limits (upwards of 90 mph) greatly reduce your mileage. To help stay awake and alert, I found that food was a definate aid. I was able to put a bag of crackers or pretzels in my tank bag and eat them while riding if I raised my visor slightly on my RF-200. If you have one, a cell phone can be a great emergency device, and you'd be suprised at the number of places you get a signal in the middle of nowhere using Cell One or Bell Atlantic. Check the Iron Butt home page for additional suggestions for long distance touring. Definately bring a camera and plenty of film. You will run into other bikers and 95% of them will be friendly (Harley riders included). Let me know what you decide to do and how it goes. Above all else, have fun and write a trip report afterwards and post it to DC-Cycles. -Morris Berman mberman@XXXXXX ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 01:09:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Morris Berman Subject: My Great Western Adventure Since I'd mentioned this to several at the RCR, I figured I'd post my trip report (also since I wrote so much I thought I'd subject as many people to it as possible!). I have finally completed my Great Western Adventure. A little background first. The only other long distance, multi-day tour I've done was the RCR (about 2,100 miles) and a friend accompanied me for that trip. This is the second major trip (overnighter ) and the 1st solo trip (other than short day rides) I've done. I have to say that I really did enjoy it. I decided that I wanted to see the west on my bike and, in addition, stop by my brother's house in Park City, UT (He didn't believe that I'd actua lly visit on a bike.). I allocated about 2 weeks for the trip planning on doing about 500 miles/day to get out there and back, and about 300/day once there for sight seeing. The old mileage plans fell through and I ended up doing about 400/day during th e sightseeing part. I was also going to try to see as many national parks as possible (though this didn't quite pan out due to rain/gravel/late starts). I did the trip on a '96 GPz 1100 with a three bag Givi set up. I used a motel only 3 nights, the re st were camping or family/friend's house. I was going to write a short version and a long version, the short version grew so I decided to nix the short version and go only with the versbose one. However, I did include some brief notes. And now what you 've all been waiting for: The Trip Report... Vital Statistics: Start/End: Maryland (Washington, DC suburbs) Farthest Point North: Harlowton, MT Farthest Point West: St. George (actually Hurricane), UT Farthest Point South: Kayenta, AZ (actually junction of AZ98 & US160) Highest Point: 12,183' (Trail Ridge Drive) Distance: 7,231 miles Fuel: 182 gallons Duration: 14.5 days Average Mileage: 40.3 miles/gallon Highlights: Beartooth Highway: beautiful scenery and excellent riding Riding through the Rain in the Desert: very cool experience Welding shop in La Verkin, UT: $30.00 to repair my Givi rack Snow Family Guest Ranch: watched my Givi bags during repair of rack Moose viewing in Grand Teton: ~4' from the road Zion Canyon: NPS did a great job routing the road through the canyon Escalante Wilderness, UT12: Very scenic and fun to ride Columbine Cafe in Leadville: great red chile Fellow bikers along the way: great conversation and company Cadillac Ranch Proprieter: very friendly and locally knowledgable GPz 1100: eats up both the miles and the twisties Lowlights: Riding through the desert in the rain: very wet and slick in spots East canyon: ridden at night with no moon and loose gravel I70, I80, I90, I64, I81, I66: need I say more? "Pavement Ends", "Loose Gravel/Fresh Oil" signs: I hate gravel roads! Montana: at least the part I was in, I've seen enough pastures now! CO149 & CO92: without the rain, this road pair would be highlights Chain drive: a pain in the ass Good Things I did: Food in the tank bag to eat on the way and the Camelback of water Torque wrench brought for the ride O-Ring throttle lock Cheap poncho to keep rain off of dashboard/controls at night Brought AAA campbooks and both regional and state maps Kept a journal Always had an unopened bottle of water with me Refueled with at least 50 miles left before reserve Radio in tank bag wired to old headphones in helmet (both for music and weather information) Camera/cell phone in tank bag Extra trashbags for rain protection Packed extra backpack (useful after the Givis broke) Left the laptop at home Picked the brains of the locals for roads/information Lots of papertowls to clear bugs off of faceshield in tank bag Brought sweatshirt/sweatpants for temperatures at altitude Bad things I did: Tried to pick the bike up with my back, not my legs (VERY BAD) Stored water bottle in top box, even the store bought bottles leak Should have called each state (or AAA) to find out about construction on non-interstates Rain suit started out under seat, quickly moved to top box Should have had more $1 bills since many campgrounds (USDA/NPS) are self-service Not enough time to really see anything at any of my destinations Should have brought more than a few tablets of Ibuprofen Miscellanious Details (mostly GPz specific): Mounted a new set of MEZ2's just prior to the trip. The bike handled really well on them, though the rear now has a big flat spot. I can't expect much else with all the slab miles and the load the bike was handling. On my little spill, the Givis did a great job protecting my pipes from any damage, though it did result in a small crack in the fairing. The Genmar risers did a great job, since the only thing that hurt after so many miles was my butt. I higher windscreen would have been nice to deflect more bugs off of my faceshield. A brighter headlight (sitting on my desk) would be great for those evenings when I decided to go canyon carving. Chronology Monday-Friday. I ordered a new set of Dunlop D205s from Dennis Kirk. I paid extra for the three delivery so that they'd arrive on Friday and I could mount them and do my trip on fresh tires. I get a message Tuesday night off of my machine at 2100 (afte r I got home from work late), "Mr. Berman, please call customer service before 1800 today, we have a problem with your order." I call back on Wednesday and they need to confirm the credit card since an operator took the initial order (done at night). I complain that if I'd known that I would have been sure to call back on Tuesday from work (since I worked so late). After a bit of talking they say that they will ship 2 day (remember, this is now Wednesday) at their expense (since this is not the first t ime that they've had that problem). Friday comes, and no tires. I call Dennis Kirk and am told that they went out Thursday, 2 day delivery and will arrive Monday. I tell that that is no good since I leave Saturday night. There's nothing they can do. I had to go to a local dealer and pay (through the nose) for a set of Metzeler MEZ2s, the only thing anyone local had in the right size. From my trip I find out that they didn't actually arrive until Tuesday. Dennis Kirk says that they will refund the e xtra shipping. An ominous beginning to this trip (and a very expensive one!). Saturday (night, just to get out of town). Left Bethesda, MD and arrived at Finzel, MD travelling on MD355, I270, I70, I68. These roads were all slabs and very boring. Although I couldn't get a room in Cumberland (my first choice) due to the Drum Festi val! That explains why I camped in Finzel, MD. Sunday. Left Finzel, MD and arrived at Morgantown, WV travelling on the I68, I79 slabs. Went from Morgantown, WV to Wheeling, WV on US250, 250 was a nice road with some very good curves and was a welcome change from the slab. Left Wheeling, WV and arriv ed at Mendota, IL on the I70, I74, I39 slabs. The scenery was very nice: cornfield, cornfield, tree, cornfield, cornfield, city, cornfield. I did run into thunderstorms around Indianapolis (wx channel was report > 1" hail stones), fortunately I only fo und rain. Monday. Left Mendota, IL and arrived at Vermillion, SD travelling on US34, I80, I29. Passed the Del Monte corn plant in Mendota, IL. Left Vermillion, SD and arrived at St. Charles, SD travelling on SD50, SD46, US18. An uncle's ranch is in St. Charles, S D and provided the evening lodging. As I passed through Sioux City, I needed all of my will power to not stop at the Gateway 2000 outlet! Finally, after getting into South Dakota the long, straight rows of corn fields finally ended as I crested the hill overlooking Fort Randall. My first taste of enjoyable scenery! It was a really pretty scene down the hill to the resevoir and the fort. After getting into Herrick, I called the ranch, and had trouble getting through. I went to the local (that would be the only gas station in 20 miles) gas station and the attendant gave me directions to the ranch. After driving down three wrong gravel roads (and passing the remains of a bank from the late 19th century), I found the right gravel road and the ranch. I was able to discover that the GPz tops out at 125 mph with the Givis. The engine still had more, but the bags were going to shake the bike apart if I went any faster. Tuesday. Left St. Charles, SD and arrived White River, SD travelling on US18, US183, SD44. The skies were looking rather dark as I pulled out of the ranch. Travelling down the gravel road, I found a deep, center strip of gravel and the GPz promptly wobb led to the ground at 15-20 mph. Damage was minimal, a cracked lower fairing and a scraped up, but still watertight Givi pannier. However, I 1st tried to lift the bike up completely with my back. This resulted in the only real damage to me from this spi ll, aside from my ego. The Givi's protected the pipes quite well. Gravel got literally in every nook and cranny of the bike (and me). Light rain started about 20 miles west of St. Charles. I stopped for gas at Whitewater and ended up sitting in the ha rdware store/coffee shop for about 2 hours due to the pain in my back. Due to the rain (and my back), I took US83 to I90 to SD240 instead of the backroads from Whitewater to the Badlands. No interesting roads here, just wet ones. When I got to Cactus F lats, I thought "Damnit, I am at the Badlands and I am going to go sightseeing and it doesn't matter if I can't walk straight and it's raining." The Badlands were interesting and the road could have been fun, if it were dry. Going through the Badlands, it dawned on me that wind and rain created these rock formations and I didn't have much more protection from the elements than the rocks. I left the Badlands and arrived in Deadwood, SD traveling on SD240, I90, US85. More flat, straight slab, except US8 5 did offer some nice sweepers. In Deadwood, I did opt for the motel, again due to the rain and the back. At this point, I had consulted with an MD (brother) who said to hit the ibuprofen REAL hard. On this part of the trip I was able to discover where the leaks in my rainsuit were. Wherever I stopped in SD, I only met nice people. Wednesday. I woke up and got a late start, but the back felt MUCH better. After tightening the chain, I left Deadwood, SD. The road out of Deadwood offered a few nice high speed sweepers. I stopped in at Devil's tower travelling on US85, I90, US14. A ll slab, though 14 had a few nice sweepers. I was cheap and observed Devil's Tower from the base and didn't pay the entrance fee. Left Devil's Tower and arrived in Billings, MT travelling through Moorcroft, WY on US14, I90. US14 had a few more sweepers and less traffic on this side. US14 had a few miles of construction (read gravel, but more on that later) just prior to Moorcroft. I90 is a boring slab, though the sign really does say "Reasonable and Prudent" for cars in daylight as you get into Monta na. Left Billings on MO3, got past Acton and came to a sign that read "Pavement Ends", with less than 1/2 tank fuel and big black clouds in the sky, and being told that it was dirt/gravel for 9 miles, I turned tail back to Billings (This story will repe at itself.). Not to mention that I was a bit leary of gravel after the ranch. I took I-90 from Billings to Big Timber, where I spent the night at a KOA. Around Columbus, I-90 does have some nice views of the neighboring mountains. As I left Billings, I resigned myself to not being able to make Glacier National Park. I spent the night camping alonside I-90 and the railroad tracks, a nice quiet evening. Thursday. Since I didn't make it to Glacier National Park, I though I'd wander around Montana looking for scenery and mountains. I drove on a loop around the Crazy Mountains with a short stop in Ringling (single saloon town). The route was I-90, US89, MT294, US12, US191. On the latter part of US191, I found another 7 miles of gravel (this time with no choice but to proceed) and I got to follow a pilot truck. Of these roads, MT294 was the best. Although it was still relatively flat and straight. Dri ving next to the pastures, I saw the cows a-roaming...I looked twice when I saw a herd of cows fenced in, except for the one next to the road. Back in Big Timber, I met a couple on a Goldwing hack travelling with their puppy in a cage bungeed to the top box. I picked up I-90 back to Columbus and headed down MT78 to Red Lodge and the Beartooth Highway. On the way to Red Lodge, I was in/out of brief rains. Through Red Lodge, the Beartooth Highway climbed the Beartooth mountains (imagine that!) into some beautiful scenery accompanied by some really fun roads. I have to admit that the 500' sheer cliff does take away a bit of my nerve riding these roads. The road surface was pretty good, except for the inside track of the switchbacks. At the top, (abou t 10,000') there were several snow fields and a chairlift. Descending down the other side into Yellowstone, be very careful of the killer swarming mosquitos that inhabit the mountain lakes. This is what I came here for (the roads, not the mosquitos), an d it was worth it! It does get chilly at these altitudes though. I spent the night at a USDA campground just outside Cooke City, MT. At this point, I was just beginning to wear a flat spot in my tires. Friday. I went down US212 into Yellowstone ($15.00 entrance fee, ouch). I stopped to take the requisite herd of bison photo after many photos of mountain meadows and peaks. The roads through the park aren't in the best of shape, but several of them are kind of fun. There was lots of visible fire damage throughout the park. I did manage to see a pair of moose alongside the road, off in the woods. The thermal areas at Yellowstone were cool (actually, they were hot), it was funny watching so many peopl e seating at a "stadium" waiting for Old Faithful to erupt. In Yellowstone I went from Tower Junction to Canyon to Norris to Madison to West Thumb and then out to Grand Teton. Unfortunately many of the roads in Yellowstone need to be repaved. It seemed the forther south I got in the park, the flatter and straighter the roads became. After leaving Yellowstone, the only thing really interesting about the roads in Grand Teton was the moose grazing ~4 feet from the road edge and the ability to see the gia nt black clouds with the fingers of rain hanging down and approaching me. I even took the side road through Jenny Lake and it was still not very interesting to ride. US191 and US26 from Jackson to Alpine had some nice sweepers and good views as it follo wed the Snake River. US89 was pretty boring from Alpine to Smoot, but got a little more interesting through the Bridger-Teton National Forest. Not much interesting on US89 through Idaho to Garden City, WY. At the scenic overlook over Bear Lake I met a couple on a K100 (Greg and Cee) out for a day trip from Salt Lake City. US89 was very entertaining into Logan, UT proceeding through a canyon or two. I then took US89 to I15 to I84. Based on Greg's advice I took UT66 to UT65 to I80 into Park City. Thi s was a mistake, as it was pitch black (no moon) by the time I got there and UT66 and UT65 climb and descend through east canyon and 1/2 the climb had fresh oil/loose gravel signs. Had it been daylight without gravel, these would have been great roads, b ut they were VERY nerve wracking at night! I spent the night and the next day at my brother's house in Park City and attended the Park City Art Fair. Sunday. From Park City I headed out I80 to US40 to US189 through Provo Canyon. As far as canyons go, this one was pretty straight. I picked up I15 to US89 to Fairview. UT31 through the Manti-La Sal Nat. Forest was nice as it climbed over a small pass i nto Huntington. UT10 was pretty boring down to I70, and I got to put back on the rainsuit. Then I took I70 to UT24 to UT12 (the Escalante Wilderness). I made it through Escalante dry. UT12 is a very nice road with a great combination of curves and sce nery. Parts of the road follow a ridge through the wilderness. I skipped Bryce Canyon as it had already started to rain, but did go through Red Canyon. I met an Canadian from Alberta who was touring on his Honda Scooter, now that's iron butt. I also s aw a BMW with a pair of tires hanging from the back by some bungees. I picked up US89 to UT9 through Zion Canyon at dusk. Zion was REALLY pretty (and a little wet). The park service did a great job of winding a road through the middle of the canyon pro viding great scenery and some fun roads, including a huge tunnel complete with a sweeper in it. I camped at Zion that night. Monday. Road back into the canyon in the morning to see what I'd previously missed. As I left the Canyon I heard a rubbing noise. It turned out to be my license plate against my rear tire. The main supports for my Givi bags had fractured. Shelly, fr om the Snow Family Guest Ranch in Virgin (1 mile away) offered to store my baggage while I went into town (6 miles away) and got my bike fixed. I happened upon L&S welding in La Verkin who welded and reinforced the supports for a total of $30.00. I lost about 4 hours to this mishap. The people that I met during this mishap were wonderful and I would recommend both the B&B (ranch) or the welding shop if they would benefit anyone. This prevented my planned trip to the Grand Canyon, so I headed east on U T59 to AZ359. North on US89 to Glen Canyon Dam through Kanab. The dam was rather impressive, the roads; however, were pretty boring. Then it was AZ98 to US160 to US163 to US191 through the Navajo Reservation in the rain. This was fine, except for the two washouts that had 2" of very fine silt that were slicker than an oil spill. It was cool driving through the desert in the rain though. I made it through Mexican Hat and monument valley in the rain and dusk and camped at the Cadillac Ranch in Bluff, UT (A nice campground with an even nicer proprieter). I was told the there was ~12 miles dirt/gravel road between White Mesa and Blanding on US191. Tuesday. I rode up to the construction and started on it, about 1/4 mile was OK: hardpack dirt/gravel. Then it got VERY soft (from the rain partially) and I decided that it wasn't worth it and I'd miss Arches National Park. I turned around and took UT2 62 to Montezuma's Creek. I got a little lost at a Texaco plant but a local pointed me in the right direction (I don't know what roads I took, but I did manage to spook a few horses who were grazing at the roadside.). I ended up on US160, which I took to 4 corners. I did the tourist thing here and then headed into Colorado (Thankfully, away from the desert!). From Cortez, CO, I took US666 up to CO184 and the CO145. Nothing interesting, but I couldn't resist riding the Devil's Highway. CO145 was a nic e road, basically just woods with a few sweepers as it followed the Dolores River. It got a little a more interesting near Lizard Pass (10,222'), and I also put on the rainsuit there. I stopped off at the Mountain Village of Telluride and to take the fr ee tram ride to the top of the mountain. I couldn't see anything through the fog and clouds. As I was coming down, it naturally started clearing. I then rode into the town of Telluride. A very pretty town. AS you drive down the main street you have a view of the small waterfall behind the town. I spent the night at Telluride, in the campground at the end of town. I set up the tent about 10' from a brook (with about a 2" clearance over it's banks), then I hoped that it didn't rain. I had a short conversation with another fellow who has some BMWs and Ducatis in his stable (This trip he had the minivan and 2 kids.). Wednesday. I left Telluride heading west on CO145 to CO62 and then onto the million dollar highway. These were nice roads, but nothing spectacular. Heading south on 550 to Ouray and then Silverton provided some great views and marked 10mph twisties. I t was a really nice road, but not the nicest that I've ever been on. US550 flattened a bit after passing Purgatory, so then it was into Durango and East on US160. Basically meadows and pastures until I got to Pagosa Springs where the road climbed to Wol f Creek Pass (where again, I began the daily ritual of putting on the rainsuit.). US160 was pretty fun until I got to South Fork and headed north on CO149. Although CO149 followed the Rio Grande it wasn't too interesting until I got near Slumgullion Pas s, but the rain ruined it for me. I stopped in at Lake City where I joined a group of BMW/Concourses from Alabama for a cup of coffee. After hanging around there for an hour I took CO149 north along the Lake Fork River. This was a really nice stretch o f road, too bad it was raining. Then west on US50 and north on CO92 I passed the Curecanti Resevoir. CO92 was great around the Black Canyon, lots of twisties, most of them not on precipices. If it was dry, this could have been the most fun to drive (th e scenery was OK too). I then picked up CO133 and spent the night in Somerset, CO. Thursday. I left Somerset and climbed McClure Pass on CO133 right into a cloud. The road between Somerset and McClure was fun, too bad I needed to warm up the tires. One I got up to the pass it was much thicker than pea soup, though in retrospect there could have been some fun curves around the pass, I just couldn't see them. I turned right onto CO82 at Carbondale to head over to Independence Pass. The only traffic jam I hit on the whole trip was into Aspen. Primarily caused by Aspen's stoplights, b ut the road construction west of Aspen didn't help any. The road up to the pass was full of twisties and I was able to break free from traffic for a short while. Once on top of the pass (12,095') the view was nice, but not as nice as I'd hoped. Coming down the pass into Twin Lakes were also some good curves. Overall though, I'd have to admit that I was disappointed in Independence Pass, both the views going up and at the top, as well as the fun factor of the roads. The Beartooth Highway was much more spectacular. I picked up US24 into Leadville; a touristy, period mining town. I lunched at the Columbine Cafe, who had some of the best red chile I've had in quite a while (you have to like spicy, though). I came out of Leadville and picked up CO91. Unfortunately, there was quite a bit of construction here that had me waiting for a while. Were it not for the construction, this was an OK little stretch of road. I am sad to admit it, but I did pick up I70 at Frisco for several miles, but it was only to get to US40 and Berthoud Pass. US40 was a lot of fun as it wound its way up to Winter Park and the pass. From Winter Park to Granby, there was not much to be seen (except rain clouds). From Granby I picked up US34 (Trailridge Drive) into Rocky Moun tain National Park. A little slow to start, it got to be fun as I climbed into the mountains. My timing was perfect, once I got into the park, the rain stopped. By the time I came down the other side, the rain had already passed there. The scenery at op US34 was excellent, though much of the hiking areas were roped off for revegetation. I again found a cloud atop the mountains and had difficulty seeing through it. My one mistake was to follow the septic tank truck down the mountain. After a few mil es, I pulled over to let him get far ahead of me (both for the smell and the twisties). At Estes Park I took CO7 and CO72 to CO119 south. These roads, although lacking a little in the scenery, were great fun to ride. There were devoid of much traffic a nd had some excellent curves. Though there were few 15mph hairpins, there was no shortage of marked 20-35 mph turns. Unfortunately, near Rollinsville I came across another "Fresh Oil, Loose Gravel" sign. I spent the night near Rollinsville in a USDA ca mpground. I also passed a few locals riding sportbikes on this road, so it must be some sort of local secret :-). Friday. I couldn't wait to wake up and find the rest of the loose gravel/fresh oil! It ended after a few miles and I picked up CO119 south. More great road here (except for the construction truck I got behind). This road passes through Black Hawk and goes through several tunnels before reaching I70. Though I didn't stop, Black Hawk seemed like a good place to grab a bite to eat. At this point, I picked up I70 to begin my journey home. There is nothing to say about 70 (it had some great 55mph marked hairpins.). Except for the one sign that said "If this light is blinking you are still going too fast." I don't know if they had radar or it just blinked all the time! The western 1/2 of Kansas was spent fighting a southerly wind with the bike in a pe rmanent lean. Fortunately, some hills grow up in the eastern 1/2 to block the wind. I stopped in at a Kawasaki dealer (who had a billboard) for a brief respite. The dealer had more engine blocks on display/sale that bikes for sale. I made it out to Ka nsas City, MO this night. After following a camping sign into the seedy part of town (behind the liquor store in what could have been the red light district), I thought better and continued out I70 to the Campers Inn of K.C. Saturday. I left Kansas City on time (about 0800) and was only scheduled to make it to Morehead, KY for the day. When I got to St. Louis, I spent about a 1/2 hour looking for a good vantage point to photograph the bike in front of the arch. My search p roved fruitless. I picked up I-64 out of St. Louis to Lexington, VA. I didn't feel too tired as I passed through Morehead. As I skirted the northern edge of the Ozarks, I get a little bit of interesting scenery (it was beautiful compared to the cornfie lds on the northern route!). Between Charleston, WV and Beckley, WV I followed the WV turnpike. Although this was a slab (and it was about midnight), it was the most fun slab of the trip. It was strewn with curves that permitted me to actually put the bike into a lean at 55. The only caveat was the constant vigilance for deer. Apparantly one wasn't so lucky shortly before I arrived at a certain stretch of road. By this point, I was ready to find a campsite at the 1st hint of sleepiness/tiredness. I got my second wind somewhere on I-81, which I took to I-66 and then north on I-495. I arrived back in Potomac at 0530 Sunday morning. According to Mapquest, I covered somewhere between 1,050 and 1,100 miles on this leg of the trip. Unfortunately, I ne glected to prepare my certification for Iron Butt purposes, but I know I did it! -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, mberman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100 (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. -=-=-=> PGP Key Available Upon Request, MIME Messages Accepted <=-=-=- ...domesticated carbon based life forms are prohibited from wading in, swimming in or cooling any body parts off in fountains and pools. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 23:36:14 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA23517; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 23:36:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA21965; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 23:34:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA10568; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 23:34:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.116] (unverified [207.226.128.116]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 23:39:10 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Re: Newbie in the rain Date: Tue, 13 Jan 98 23:34:41 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Jinn Sinn" , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >I've been downshifting to slow down before I actually apply the brakes >(whenever possible) It's much cheaper to replace brake pads than a clutch. And I have noticed that things get MUCH more squirrely when slowing down in a corner via this method rather than carefully braking. ``` (o o) *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| *--------------------------oooO------------* |__||__| || || ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 23:36:14 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA23520; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 23:36:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA21967; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 23:34:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA10571; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 23:34:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.116] (unverified [207.226.128.116]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 23:39:17 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: RE: Newbie in the rain Date: Tue, 13 Jan 98 23:34:48 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Whiteside, John" , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >This is one I never heard. In fact, doesn't the MSF intro course have an >exercise on stopping in turns that involves starting to brake while >you're turning, increasing braking as you decrease lean? They might have, but there was short shrift given to this partiular excercise when I took the course. -George From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 23:36:15 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA23518; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 23:36:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA21966; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 23:34:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA10573; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 23:34:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.116] (unverified [207.226.128.116]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 23:39:19 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Breaking while leaned in Date: Tue, 13 Jan 98 23:34:50 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Kirk Roy" , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Another one of these things is NEVER brake while leaned over. There are >plenty of times that you can't stand the bike up before you've got to >brake. Giving this "temporary axiom" to newbies keeps them from ham >fistedly applying the front brake while leaning over pretty good. I had this hammered into me at the MSF course. So much so that I STILL have trouble doing it, even when it is mandatory. Guess I need to practice a bit... ``` (o o) *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| *--------------------------oooO------------* |__||__| || || ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 23:36:15 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA23521; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 23:36:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA21959; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 23:34:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA10566; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 23:34:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.116] (unverified [207.226.128.116]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 23:39:08 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: RE: Newbie in the rain Date: Tue, 13 Jan 98 23:34:38 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Viteri, Ursulina" , "'Alan Lapp'" , "\"'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'\" " Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Here's an addition to things that don't mix: gravel, down shifting, >breaking, and turning. DON'T try it at home! Somebody doesn't have enough dirt riding experience (and since moving from the parents house, mine is suffering horribly:( -George From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 23:36:16 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA23522; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 23:36:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA21976; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 23:35:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA10579; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 23:35:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.116] (unverified [207.226.128.116]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 23:39:22 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: RE: summer gear? Date: Tue, 13 Jan 98 23:34:53 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Viteri, Ursulina" , "'Brian McCoy'" , "\"'DC-Cycles list'\" " Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >I know jeans aren't the greatest but what else can I do? Get those >Kevlar padded jeans (Draggin Jeans) advertised in the back of cycle >magazines? Has anyone tried them? Sizes by 1 inch increments up to 40 doesn't help me much (missed it by that much!) especially when the moto mags say that they are cut 'slim' or whatever it is (IOW, not a full cut). YMMV: Your Mileage May Very -George From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 23:36:17 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA23532; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 23:36:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA21980; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 23:35:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA10583; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 23:35:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.116] (unverified [207.226.128.116]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 23:39:30 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: RE: downshifting Date: Tue, 13 Jan 98 23:35:01 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Todd Peer" , "O'Brien, Jeannette" cc: "dc-cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > Like you, I'm still unclear >what damage I could be doing to the trany while engine braking. Good clutch, good traction, good engine. Downshifting means the gear selected in tranny must spin faster. It works back up through the clutch into the engine to make engine turn faster. Engine can't accelerate rapidly enough, so tranny turns into a box of shavings. I guess:) ``` (o o) *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| *--------------------------oooO------------* |__||__| || || ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 23:36:18 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA23535; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 23:36:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA21981; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 23:35:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA10581; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 23:35:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.116] (unverified [207.226.128.116]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 23:39:28 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: RE: Newbie in the rain Date: Tue, 13 Jan 98 23:34:59 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" , "'Jinn Sinn'" , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >I've been told to always ride in the tire tracks in the rain. Also, >I've been told NEVER to ride in the center of the lane if you can help >it (unless avoiding obstacles, etc.)... It seems much easier to ride in the groove created by the tires of a cage (or better yet, a semi:) Then there's the fact that there was a light rain one day when I came to the toll booth at the Nice Bridge, and locked the rear.... -George From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 14 00:16:29 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA24371; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 00:16:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA22714; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 00:14:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA11403; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 00:14:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.101] (unverified [207.226.128.101]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 00:19:14 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: downshifting Date: Wed, 14 Jan 98 00:14:41 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "mobacc" , "dc-cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >As Brian McCoy (if I may) said [about [braking] downshifting ] "Why? Brake >pads are SOOOO much cheaper than engine parts..." Among other things, I did both brakes (all corners) and a clutch on my Jeep. Guess which job I'd rather do again? Plus, I've got a BMW, and we all know they have wonky trannies. ``` (o o) *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| *--------------------------oooO------------* |__||__| || || ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 14 00:16:30 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA24374; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 00:16:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA22743; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 00:15:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA11416; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 00:15:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.101] (unverified [207.226.128.101]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 00:19:33 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Was(Re[2]: Newbie in the rain ) .. now??? Date: Wed, 14 Jan 98 00:14:59 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: cc: "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > Good lord Leon - you've never spent more than $500 on any one > motorcycle? Heck, even my best buy didn't get below $700 - though i > did buy my truck for $100 (52 Check pick-um-up truck)... Actually, I was wondering what sport bikes (full faired, preferably, although cool stuff like Hawks can pass) and DPs can be had in the Leon price range. I want a complete stable, but on a major budget. ``` (o o) *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| *--------------------------oooO------------* |__||__| || || ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 14 00:16:33 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA24383; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 00:16:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA22713; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 00:14:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA11405; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 00:14:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.101] (unverified [207.226.128.101]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 00:19:18 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Braking and Turning Date: Wed, 14 Jan 98 00:14:44 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "John C. Kozyn" , "dc-cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >I also agree with another remark (Chris Norloff's ?) that when roadway >is dry, just lean and give it more gas. Although I should admit that >when having done so I am _paranoid_ my rear wheel will slide and make >me lowside. Also, if you are dragging a centerstand or exhaust, can you lean any further? ``` (o o) *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| *--------------------------oooO------------* |__||__| || || ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 14 01:18:49 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA24945; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 01:18:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA23658; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 01:17:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA12696; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 01:17:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from default ([12.68.78.229]) by mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA15506; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 06:16:57 +0000 Reply-To: "kevin thomas" From: "kevin thomas" To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" , "Jinn Sinn" Cc: "dc-cycles" Subject: Re: downshifting Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 01:13:37 -0500 Message-ID: <01bd20b3$8da24a20$e54e440c@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Hey, Y'all-- George did a good job describing the reason your transmission would be happier if you didn't downshift. I won't repeat. Todd got it right too, especially the example of closing the throttle at high rpms. That's a fine illustration of the point we're making. There is a right way to downshift. When you match engine RPM with vehicle speed as you downshift, you don't bother the transmission or upset your balance and traction. IOW, you're in 6th at 5000 RPM ('bout 75 on an old VFR). You want to shift to 5th. You pull in the clutch. Knowing the bike will be doing 5600 RPM in 5th at the same 75 MPH, you bring the engine to 5600, shift to 5th, let out the clutch. Everything is hunky dory. And your road speed (75 mph) is the same. The next question is why did you do this? If you did it 'cause you want a better gear to accelerate thru the sweeping turn, you did good. If you did it 'cause traffic is getting heavier and you want to be able to accelerate between those trucks ahead, you did good. If you intend to go to 4th next, then 3rd, 2nd, 1st, and stop at the red light, use your brakes, dammit! What I'm saying is downshifting to accelerate is fine. Downshifting to slow down is bad. Downshifting while slowing down can be either good or bad. As a substitute for brakes, it's bad. Done to keep the engine RPM in a desirable range for better response is good. Engine braking itself isn't bad, when used correctly, but downshifting to take advantage of it is inefficient, bad for the bike, and potentially upsetting to the handling. It's better for the newer riders to keep it simple and use the brakes. Like in Todd's example, if you have the throttle closed as you downshift, you will slow down. That's engine braking. Same as if you just close the throttle without downshifting, but more so. When I come to a traffic light, I pull in the clutch, apply the brakes, and when I'm almost stopped, I click down thru all the gears into 1st. I hope that makes things clearer. Later Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 14 08:25:00 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA28662; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 08:25:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA28823; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 08:22:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from citi.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA17859; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 08:22:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from ibm.net ([207.226.79.175]) by citi.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id IAA27371; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 08:22:32 -0500 Message-ID: <34BCBCAD.A551164C@ibm.net> Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 08:25:01 -0500 From: "Robert W. Johnston" Reply-To: rjohns3@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: George Howell CC: Todd Peer , dc-cycles Subject: Re: downshifting, Braking and Leaning in. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lets address downshifting first. Using engine compression to reduce the speed of a vehicle was common in the era before hydraulically assisted brakes and is still used frequently by Tri-axle drivers in the coal producing states. A reasonable awareness of the shift pattern on the vehicle will prevent the "tranny full of shavings" possibility. If your vehicle is geared to do 25 to 45 mph in 2nd then at any speed less <= 45 mph, you can shift from third into second and allow the engine compression to slow the speed of the crank, thereby reducing road speed. On a properly maintained engine and transmission, this will do no harm. It will cause less clutch wear than a start from stop, or most people's upshifts as the clutch will be engaged at a more equal speed of rotation, and be engaged for a shorter period of time. However, downshifting as a primary element of braking lacks subtlety. It applies a delta to the drag generated by your tires vis a vis road speed that can not be quickly adjusted once it is has been started. Which is quicker, an upshift, or releasing your brake? I use downshifting and brakes to reduce my speed during a non-emergancy stop, I practise emergency stops by using only my brakes ( never had what I consider a real emergency stop - just a few close calls). On a motorcycle without power brakes, or with drum brakes downshifting is almost a necessity. Finally when faced with a long period of braking, downshifting will help you control the heating of your brakes. Hot brakes, brake less effectively than cool brakes, this is why Tri-axle drivers still downshift, or use compression brakes to this day. Braking on a curve, or leaning in and braking. Learn it, practise it, do it. When I first returned to the world of real open air motoring, I took my bike to a very quite strech of curves and repeatedly practised this. I can not count the number of times even with getting naked ( I do live in WV), that I have found some hazard 2/3s of the way into a turn and have no room to manuver. If you spend time on country roads, you'll find farm equipment, cattle, horses, buggies, dropped bails of hay, peices of lumber, agricultural deritis of all types, shapes and forms, just around the bend and in the middle of roads with no sides. YMMV rwj From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 14 08:32:10 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA28724; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 08:32:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA28993; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 08:30:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from sundown.northgrum.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA17993; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 08:30:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from puff.northgrum.com (puff.northgrum.com [157.127.103.139]) by sundown.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id FAA05339 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 05:30:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from xcgca011.northgrum.com ([157.127.103.101]) by puff.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id FAA01367 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 05:30:06 -0800 (PST) Received: by XCGCA011 with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 05:30:55 -0800 Message-ID: <11D743514607D011A15500805FEA3464A45DDE@xcgva001.grumman.com> From: "Meier, Christopher" To: "John C. Kozyn" , dc-cycles , "'George Howell'" Subject: RE: Braking and Turning Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 05:30:20 -0800 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain It was my comment ... Re: the centerstand ... Probably not, unless you change lean angle by adjusting the suspension weight transfer mid-corner, and even that will only buy you a tiny bit of clearance. However, if you hear/feel the scrape of the stand, and chop off the throttle, it will probably dump you anyhow. Others can probably advise better on this as I don't have a centerstand, and my pegs have springs so if I touch them down, they just flex back. I did touch the muffler once, but only for a brief moment, not what I would call dragging it. I was into a corner too hot and leaned over farther than I ever plan on being again. :-) The RF has enough cornering clearance that touching a muffler is just plain dumb on the street ... I wouldn't have done it intentionally, I was into a corner over my head (decreasing radius corner caught me off guard) and I was lucky I didn't wad the bike. Later, chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ > ---------- > From: George Howell[SMTP:ghowell@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 1998 12:14 AM > To: John C. Kozyn; dc-cycles > Subject: Re: Braking and Turning > > >I also agree with another remark (Chris Norloff's ?) that when > roadway > >is dry, just lean and give it more gas. Although I should admit that > >when having done so I am _paranoid_ my rear wheel will slide and > make > >me lowside. > > Also, if you are dragging a centerstand or exhaust, can you lean any > further? > > > > ``` > (o o) > *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* > |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| > |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| > *--------------------------oooO------------* > |__||__| > || || > ooO Ooo > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 14 08:42:45 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA28838; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 08:42:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA29612; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 08:41:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA18146; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 08:41:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.02c) id A05B36E01FC; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 08:40:43 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980114081959.009c36f0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 08:19:59 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: RE: Newbie in the rain (Sorry, Bill...) In-Reply-To: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D37EC04@badge.tuckerflyer.c om> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 02:24 PM 1/13/98 -0500, O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: >I can vouch for the dangers of down-shifting too quickly from >experience. It skids your rear tire in the rain badly...but at least I >didn't fall! The key here is to ease out the clutch slowly, or to open the throttle to match engine and road speed, then roll off the throttle when you've completed the downshift. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 14 08:42:45 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA28837; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 08:42:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA29620; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 08:41:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA18155; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 08:41:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.02c) id A05D36E01FC; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 08:40:45 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980114083627.009877a0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 08:36:27 -0500 To: dc-cycles From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: downshifting In-Reply-To: <19980113204234.TNA28757@[166.41.242.141]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > I sometimes engine brake ONLY for a stop >light until I need to pull the clutch in, and then I brake from a 5mph >roll. Most times I use the combination. Like you, I'm still unclear >what damage I could be doing to the trany while engine braking. You won't hurt anything on the bike doing that. Using engine braking from moderate speeds is fine. However, I've seen people downshift and ease out the clutch without matching engine and road speed, with the resultant clutch wear. I've also seen people almost redline the engine, downshift, then let the engine slow the bike down, and actually think this is good because they didn't use the brakes. > I read it here where downshifting in a corner was not a good idea. >I tend to agree with this bit of advice. Chirping your rear while >leaned over might work for some, but I'd be afraid of sliding out. Agreed. The only thing you should be doing in a curve is rolling on a little throttle and looking through the curve. BEFORE the curve is when you decide on your speed, downshift if needed, look through the turn, and lean the bike with countersteering (slow, look, lean, and roll ... for you MSF graduates out there). The only exception to this that I can think of is in a descending curve or in a decreasing radius curve with heavy traffic. It's difficult not to use trailing throttle (throttle closed, or at least not rolling on) in these cases. Just remember that you're using up a bit of your traction reserve when you do this. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 14 08:42:46 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA28839; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 08:42:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA29623; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 08:41:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA18160; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 08:41:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.02c) id A05A36E01FC; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 08:40:45 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980114083753.009c7d40@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 08:37:53 -0500 To: DC-Cycles list From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: downshifting In-Reply-To: References: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D37EC08@badge.tuckerflyer.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 03:40 PM 1/13/98 -0500, Brian McCoy wrote: >This is a case of 'do as i say, and not as I do' - but I have a reason >behind my engine braking - my brakes don't work worth a damn. If I didn't >use the engine to slow down, I'd end up hurting myself somewhere (just >means I plan ahead and try to never get over my head.) Sounds like you have a serious safety-related defect in your brakes. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 14 08:42:46 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA28843; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 08:42:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA29622; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 08:41:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA18152; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 08:41:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.02c) id A05C36E01FC; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 08:40:44 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980114082810.009ac360@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 08:28:10 -0500 To: dc-cycles From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: downshifting In-Reply-To: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D37EC08@badge.tuckerflyer.c om> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 02:54 PM 1/13/98 -0500, O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: >Ok, I'm confused. I was told that I should downshift & use the brakes >as little as possible. Of course, this was told to me by someone who >never took the MSF course. I guess bad habit ARE learned through >others, eh? Can you give me the specific reasons (i.e. explain engine >wear that happens, etc.) it's bad to downshift? I generally don't >jerkily downshift, but I do downshift before curves to slow down & get >in the correct gear for accelerating through a curve...is this wrong? Have you taken the MSF course yet? It might be a good refresher for the spring. Braking is best done with brakes. Minor controlling of speed is best done with the throttle. Downshift to keep your engine and road speed matched, to ensure you are in the correct gear to use your throttle (especially to get out of the way of a hazard). If you're braking for something like a stop sign, I don't think it's necessary to let the clutch out in every gear, but it is a good idea to downshift (clutch in) as you slow so you're still in the correct gear for your road speed. Whoever told you to use your brakes as little as possible must have had poor brakes. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 14 08:42:47 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA28844; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 08:42:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA29617; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 08:41:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA18148; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 08:41:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.02c) id A05836E01FC; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 08:40:43 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980114082155.009805f0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 08:21:55 -0500 To: "dc-cycles" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: downshifting In-Reply-To: <01bd2059$eb7f2b40$904b440c@default> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 02:31 PM 1/13/98 -0500, kevin thomas wrote: >Marcy-- > >Brakes are for slowing down. Transmissions are for going. Don't downshift >to slow down, only to get into the right gear to get going again. Brakes do >a better job of slowing down, and they're _lots_ cheaper than transmissions. >Brakes are easier to control and modulate than engine braking, too. Agreed. There are a few exceptions (as with so many rules!), such as descending a mountain, and using your gears to maintain a controllable speed, without using your brakes all the way down the mountain. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 14 09:03:18 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA29100; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 09:03:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA00873; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 09:02:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA18483; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 09:02:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com by mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (8.8.8/McCaw V8 version 1) id GAA19800; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 06:01:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id GAA09933; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 06:01:37 -0800 Received: from hq_msg01.nwest.mccaw.com by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id GAA09928; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 06:01:36 -0800 Received: by hq_msg01.nwest.mccaw.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD20B1.D6AD1710@XXXXXX>; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 06:01:21 -0800 Message-ID: From: "Viteri, Ursulina" To: "'Stephen Harris'" , "'dc-cycles'" Subject: RE: Sunday Trip Report Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 05:57:37 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 27 TEXT Hmmm, I never thought elaborate on my story by adding "chasing a couple of racer boys up a mountain." Sounds a little desperate but definitely cooler than just "I fell down". Ursulina Viteri 202-416-6534 * Fax 202-223-9095 AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. - Washington, DC >-----Original Message----- >From: Stephen Harris [SMTP:harris@XXXXXX] >Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 1998 2:56 PM >To: dc-cycles >Subject: Re: Sunday Trip Report > >At 07:32 PM 1/11/98 -0800, John C. Kozyn wrote: >>Great weather, nice ride. Thanks again Steve. > > One and all are welcome. I'm glad everything workout fine. Happy that >Ursulina didn't get hurt (think of the kool stories you now have, stuffed >it chasing a couple of racers up a mountian...:-). > > Stephen > >--- > >Stephen Taylor Harris >http://www.his.com/~harris From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 14 09:07:13 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA29161; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 09:07:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA01238; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 09:06:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA18547; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 09:06:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.02c) id A61B41B01A2; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 09:05:15 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980114085050.00986ce0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 08:50:50 -0500 To: dc-cycles From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Braking and Turning In-Reply-To: <34BC4659.146A@mnsinc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:00 PM 1/13/98 -0800, John C. Kozyn wrote: >I did not know that controlled rear braking would facilitate the weight >transfer, but curiously I've been doing that for a long time now. Never >really thought about it much, but I find that carefully modulated >braking (front + rear) while turning is possible, although I feel way >more confident if I'm up straight. Absolutely. You have more traction because you're not using traction for turning, and if you lock a wheel when you're straight you can control it more easily. Braking in a straight line is much better. >I also agree with another remark (Chris Norloff's ?) that when roadway >is dry, just lean and give it more gas. Although I should admit that >when having done so I am _paranoid_ my rear wheel will slide and make >me lowside. It wasn't my remark, but I generally agree with it. The caution here is to not use too much throttle. You want just enough to be rolling on, not so you're actually charging out of the turn. Press more on the inside handlebar to lean more into the turn, keep a little throttle on, and LOOK THROUGH THE CURVE. It's very important to look where you want to go. DO NOT look at the shoulder where you don't want to go. (A racer may tell you that he uses lots of throttle and slides the rear wheel to "aim" the bike through the turn, but that is not a good street technique). Also, be sure your seating position is good, and you're not trying to sit upright while leaning the bike underneath you. Bikes will lean a lot farther than most riders think. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 14 09:07:13 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA29163; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 09:07:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA01239; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 09:06:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA18550; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 09:06:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.02c) id A61C41B01A2; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 09:05:16 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980114085431.009bfac0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 08:54:31 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Pantyhose condoms (Protective Gear) In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980113215253.006a68fc@pop.mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:52 PM 1/13/98 -0500, Harry G. Greenspun, M.D. wrote: > With my mix of medicine and motorcycles, I have a unique perspective on >gear, having seen the range of results first hand. In your role as a doctor? > I never appreciated what real protective gear was until I got my Vanson >armored leathers. Now, I try to wear full leathers or my padded cordura >riding suit (in bad/cold) whenever I'm on my bike. When it's really hot >I'll wear jeans, but I really feel naked in them. Actually, it's more the >feeling of using a condom made from pantyhose: you can only convince >yourself of so much since you know better. Consequently, I'm looking into a >two-piece Aerostich with armor. Agreed. Once I got my Aerostich, with hard armor, I just can't ride without it. When it's cold, I layer up and add the electrics. When it's hot, I strip down, open all the vents, take off the windshield, and drink lots of water. If it's too hot to ride like that then it's too hot for me to ride. tomorrow is always an important day, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 14 09:07:13 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA29160; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 09:07:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA01242; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 09:06:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA18555; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 09:06:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.02c) id A61D41B01A2; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 09:05:17 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980114090615.009c5b40@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 09:06:15 -0500 To: "DC Cycles" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Breaking while leaned in In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:34 PM 1/13/98 -0500, George Howell wrote: >>Another one of these things is NEVER brake while leaned over. There are >>plenty of times that you can't stand the bike up before you've got to >>brake. Giving this "temporary axiom" to newbies keeps them from ham >>fistedly applying the front brake while leaning over pretty good. > >I had this hammered into me at the MSF course. So much so that I STILL >have trouble doing it, even when it is mandatory. Guess I need to >practice a bit... Than they taught the course wrong. Did you do the exercise where you apply brakes while leaned over, downshift to first, square the handlebars then come to a complete stop? It's a very important skill. You can brake when leaned over. The restrictions are that you have less traction for braking since you're using traction for turning. In addition, if you lock a wheel when leaned over then you're likely to go down. For maximum braking, it's always best to brake when straight up. Sometimes conditions call for you to begin braking while leaned over, then to reach maximum braking once you're straight. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 14 09:11:22 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA29216; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 09:11:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA01361; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 09:10:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA18670; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 09:10:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.02c) id A71B5E301F2; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 09:09:31 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980114091016.009d6bf0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 09:10:16 -0500 To: "dc-cycles" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Braking and Turning In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:14 AM 1/14/98 -0500, George Howell wrote: >>I also agree with another remark (Chris Norloff's ?) that when roadway >>is dry, just lean and give it more gas. Although I should admit that >>when having done so I am _paranoid_ my rear wheel will slide and make >>me lowside. > >Also, if you are dragging a centerstand or exhaust, can you lean any >further? No. Any further lean will lever your tires off the ground. You can turn tighter if you hang off (shift your weight to the inside of the turn (moves the CG toward the center of the turn and allows a tighter turn at the same lean angle)). You can tighten up the turn by slipping the rear tire (if you're Ricky Racer). Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 14 09:23:06 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA29325; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 09:23:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA01985; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 09:22:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA18919; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 09:22:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com by mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (8.8.8/McCaw V8 version 1) id GAA24560; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 06:21:30 -0800 (PST) Received: by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id GAA12765; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 06:21:29 -0800 Received: from hq_msg01.nwest.mccaw.com by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id GAA12760; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 06:21:28 -0800 Received: by hq_msg01.nwest.mccaw.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD20B4.9C962690@XXXXXX>; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 06:21:12 -0800 Message-ID: From: "Viteri, Ursulina" To: "'George Howell'" , "'Viteri, Ursulina'" , "'Alan Lapp'" , "'\"'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'\" '" Subject: RE: Newbie in the rain Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 06:17:28 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 22 TEXT I've thought about getting a cheapie dirt bike and getting use to falling and such, but everyone I talk to keeps discouraging me because they say there's no where around here to ride. Is that true? Ursulina Viteri 202-416-6534 * Fax 202-223-9095 AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. - Washington, DC >-----Original Message----- >From: George Howell [SMTP:ghowell@XXXXXX] >Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 1998 8:35 PM >To: Viteri, Ursulina; 'Alan Lapp'; "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" >Subject: RE: Newbie in the rain > >>Here's an addition to things that don't mix: gravel, down shifting, >>breaking, and turning. DON'T try it at home! > > >Somebody doesn't have enough dirt riding experience (and since moving >from the parents house, mine is suffering horribly:( > >-George From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 14 09:26:22 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA29364; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 09:26:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA02027; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 09:23:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA18949; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 09:23:37 -0500 (EST) Received: by hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD20CD.BA42B3C0@XXXXXX>; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 09:21:00 -0500 Message-ID: From: To: Subject: RE: Pantyhose condoms (Protective Gear) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 09:20:58 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 45 TEXT Yeah, he's the last guy you seen before going under and the first guy you see when you wake up. Scary, isn't it. Only kidding, Harry. Went to your web page just to see your bike and found out about you. Tracy Horstman '87 Suzuki Savage 650 "There are 2 types of computer users in the world: Those that have lost data and those that are going to....." ---------- From: Chris Norloff[SMTP:cnorloff@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 1998 8:54 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Pantyhose condoms (Protective Gear) At 09:52 PM 1/13/98 -0500, Harry G. Greenspun, M.D. wrote: > With my mix of medicine and motorcycles, I have a unique perspective on >gear, having seen the range of results first hand. In your role as a doctor? > I never appreciated what real protective gear was until I got my Vanson >armored leathers. Now, I try to wear full leathers or my padded cordura >riding suit (in bad/cold) whenever I'm on my bike. When it's really hot >I'll wear jeans, but I really feel naked in them. Actually, it's more the >feeling of using a condom made from pantyhose: you can only convince >yourself of so much since you know better. Consequently, I'm looking into a >two-piece Aerostich with armor. Agreed. Once I got my Aerostich, with hard armor, I just can't ride without it. When it's cold, I layer up and add the electrics. When it's hot, I strip down, open all the vents, take off the windshield, and drink lots of water. If it's too hot to ride like that then it's too hot for me to ride. tomorrow is always an important day, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 14 09:40:18 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA29548; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 09:40:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA02740; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 09:39:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from dadc011.army.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA19302; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 09:39:07 -0500 (EST) Received: by Pentagon-DADC011.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 09:43:03 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "Viteri, Ursulina" , "'George Howell'" , "'Alan Lapp'" , DC Cycles Subject: RE: Newbie in the rain Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 09:42:05 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) I guess that depends on how far you consider "around here" is. I plan on getting a dirt/street bike to ride in the George Washington National Forest. But it takes about 1.5 hours just to get to the nearest trails. Glenn Dysart DysarGB@XXXXXX dysart@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna > I've thought about getting a cheapie dirt bike and getting use to > falling and such, but everyone I talk to keeps discouraging me because > they say there's no where around here to ride. Is that true? > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 14 09:51:40 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA29697; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 09:51:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA03294; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 09:50:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA19591; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 09:50:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.02c) id A08816301EC; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 09:49:44 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980114093921.009cc7d0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 09:39:21 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Intentional accidents Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just what you wanted to hear! http://search.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WPlate/1998-01/14/159l-011498-idx.ht= ml 11 Accused of Causing Wrecks to Defraud Insurers=20 By Brooke A. Masters Washington Post Staff Writer Wednesday, January 14, 1998; Page B08=20 The FBI has broken up a major fraud ring that deliberately caused traffic accidents with unsuspecting Washington area motorists and then billed insurance companies for $2.7 million in health and legal costs, officials said yesterday. Eleven alleged organizers of the ring were charged in a 58-count indictment unsealed yesterday in U.S. District Court in Alexandria. Five people were in custody= late yesterday, according to the U.S. attorney's office for the Eastern District of Virginia. The charges include conspiracy, mail fraud and money laundering. Ring members identified drivers who looked affluent and mature, boxed them in and slammed on the brakes, forcing the motorists to rear-end them, officials said. Then the ring would hit the driver's insurance company with inflated or false medical and legal bills from clinics and law offices ring members owned, the indictment said. At least one of the more than 100 motorists forced into accidents suffered serious injury, said FBI supervisory agent Rick Germroth, who heads the Washington field office's health care fraud unit. This is the third and best-organized staged accident ring to be broken up in the Washington area in the past few years, he said.,=20 "It has gotten more aggressive, which mirrors what we are seeing on the roadways," he said. The investigation is continuing, and more indictments may be coming, he said. The group moved to this area in 1994 after= allegedly staging accidents in Texas. At that time, alleged ringleaders Marlon M. Zialcita, 45, Alfredo Castro Alvano, 64, and Patrocina Sugatan Layon, 48, set up a law office= and medical clinic in Falls Church, according to the indictment. The group started in this area by driving a Jeep Cherokee into a tree and billing a ring member's insurance company, according to the indictment filed by Assistant U.S. Attorney Robert W. Wiechering. "When they saw how lucrative it was, they upped the ante and . . . started causing accidents" with other motorists, Germroth said. "They picked the most likely targets, the more affluent, the more mature." According to the indictment, St. Mary Rehabilitation Clinic prepared false attendance and treatment records for accident participants, who were represented by the ring's law office, the International Law Center. Ring medical and law offices issued $1.9 million in legal bills and $800,000 in medical bills, and FBI investigators are still trying to determine what share of them are fraudulent, Germroth said. The mail and wire fraud charges stem from the allegedly false bills, and some individuals also are charged with money laundering for allegedly moving the insurance money through dozens of bank accounts, officials said. Two alleged ring members, Alvano, of Falls Church, and Jose Aniban Morales III, 34, of Arlington, are being held in the Alexandria jail pending a hearing today. Layon and two others were arrested in California. Zialcita and five others are still at large, officials said. Lon Anderson, spokesman for the American Automobile Association's Potomac chapter, said the rising number of staged accidents means that motorists involved in multi-car crashes should be careful to scrutinize the medical, legal and repair bills that their insurance companies receive from the other side. "They're counting on the fact that most people are not going to call the insurance company and fight the bills," Anderson said.=20 =A9 Copyright 1998 The Washington Post Company From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 14 09:53:33 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA29717; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 09:53:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA03360; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 09:52:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA19642; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 09:52:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id JAA23904; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 09:51:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (nmta2.mcit.com [166.37.172.3]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id IAA10072; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 08:51:54 -0600 (CST) Received: from mci.com ([166.32.114.127]) by nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with ESMTP id <19980114145154.IUXA6587@XXXXXX>; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 09:51:54 -0500 Message-ID: <34BCD105.B1DDAB43@mci.com> Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 09:51:49 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Reply-To: Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: George Howell CC: bmccoy@XXXXXX, DC Cycles Subject: Re: stable of bikes References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >From what I've seen, older Sportbikes and Dirtbikes are usually way overpriced, err, uhmm, hold their value for a long time. I haven't seen much that qualifies as reasonable (generally $1k or less). I could buy lots of bikes for $1 per cc or less, if I was patient enough and looked hard enough. These are generally cruiser or standard type motorcycles, though. Also interested in anyone else's input here. Dale (the Horkster) George Howell wrote: > > Good lord Leon - you've never spent more than $500 on any one > > motorcycle? Heck, even my best buy didn't get below $700 - though i > > did buy my truck for $100 (52 Check pick-um-up truck)... > > Actually, I was wondering what sport bikes (full faired, preferably, > although cool stuff like Hawks can pass) and DPs can be had in the Leon > price range. I want a complete stable, but on a major budget. > > ``` > (o o) > *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* > |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| > |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| > *--------------------------oooO------------* > |__||__| > || || > ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 14 10:07:15 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA29928; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 10:07:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA03674; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 10:05:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from DONALD.CDER.FDA.GOV by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA20019; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 10:05:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from mr.cder.fda.gov by fdaserv.cder.fda.gov (PMDF V5.1-8 #21467) id <01ISD30WU4U88ZIK7M@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 10:04:08 EST Received: with PMDF-MR; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 09:58:56 -0500 (EST) MR-Received: by mta DONALD; Relayed; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 09:58:56 -0500 Alternate-recipient: prohibited Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 09:59:20 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy Subject: Dirt bikes near DC was Re: Newbie in the rain To: DC Cycles Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Posting-date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 09:59:23 -0500 (EST) Importance: normal Priority: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential UA-content-id: E1497IEX25S89 X400-MTS-identifier: [;65859041108991/2254209@FDACD] A1-type: MAIL Hop-count: 1 >I've thought about getting a cheapie dirt bike and getting use to >falling and such, but everyone I talk to keeps discouraging me because >they say there's no where around here to ride. Is that true? You don't have to go far to find places that people ride. I know of a couple of spots nearish to me (one right in Beltsville). When the weather warms up and you're out on a ride on the local country roads look for pickup trucks and trailers parked next to seemingly nothing. Oftentimes, a quick glance inside one of the trucks will reveal a piece of moto gear. You've likely found a place to ride. It's even easier to tell when you see a bunch of dirt bikes next to the trucks/trailers... I know of a certain lister in Brandywine who's guaranteed to know of spots to ride off road. Of course, Glenn's notion of hitting the GW National Forest or something like that would provide for some pretty interesting riding. If only I had the money for another bike. Maybe Randy will just lend his out... Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 14 10:08:32 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA29946; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 10:08:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA03808; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 10:07:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA20118; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 10:07:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com by mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (8.8.8/McCaw V8 version 1) id HAA06597; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 07:06:56 -0800 (PST) Received: by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id HAA19139; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 07:06:55 -0800 Received: from hq-msg01.nwest.mccaw.com by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id HAA19132; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 07:06:53 -0800 Received: by hq-msg01.nwest.mccaw.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD20BA.F7D24380@XXXXXX>; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 07:06:43 -0800 Message-ID: From: "Viteri, Ursulina" To: "'Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN'" , "'Viteri, Ursulina'" , "'George Howell'" , "'Alan Lapp'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Newbie in the rain Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 07:02:52 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 28 TEXT Now that's a shame that you have to go 1.5 hours away to play on a dirt bike. Ursulina Viteri 202-416-6534 * Fax 202-223-9095 AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. - Washington, DC >-----Original Message----- >From: Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN [SMTP:Dysart@XXXXXX] >Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 1998 6:42 AM >To: Viteri, Ursulina; 'George Howell'; 'Alan Lapp'; DC Cycles >Subject: RE: Newbie in the rain > >I guess that depends on how far you consider "around here" is. I plan >on getting a dirt/street bike to ride in the George Washington National >Forest. But it takes about 1.5 hours just to get to the nearest trails. > >Glenn Dysart >DysarGB@XXXXXX >dysart@XXXXXX > >84 V30 Magna > > >> I've thought about getting a cheapie dirt bike and getting use to >> falling and such, but everyone I talk to keeps discouraging me because >> they say there's no where around here to ride. Is that true? >> From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 14 10:18:35 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA00061; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 10:18:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA04154; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 10:17:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA20400; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 10:17:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.108] (unverified [207.226.128.108]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 10:21:42 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Breaking while leaned in Date: Wed, 14 Jan 98 10:17:08 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Chris Norloff" , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Than they taught the course wrong. Did you do the exercise where you apply >brakes while leaned over, downshift to first, square the handlebars then >come to a complete stop? It's a very important skill. Yeah, they tought that, but it was the third day (or late in the 2nd?) and it seems as though the instructors were rushed. I think I only got to do that two or three times. Never felt comfortable with it. ``` (o o) *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| *--------------------------oooO------------* |__||__| || || ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 14 10:18:35 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA00059; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 10:18:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA04152; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 10:17:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA20398; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 10:17:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.108] (unverified [207.226.128.108]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 10:21:39 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: RE: Newbie in the rain Date: Wed, 14 Jan 98 10:17:04 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Viteri, Ursulina" , "\"'\"'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'\" '\" " Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >I've thought about getting a cheapie dirt bike and getting use to >falling and such, but everyone I talk to keeps discouraging me because >they say there's no where around here to ride. Is that true? Well, I want a DP. Parents have a farm, so there's plenty of place to do that, and at some point, I wouldn't mind taking it out west to go through some national parks. -George From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 14 10:18:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA00060; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 10:18:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA04151; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 10:17:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA20396; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 10:17:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.108] (unverified [207.226.128.108]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 10:21:37 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Intentional accidents Date: Wed, 14 Jan 98 10:17:02 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Chris Norloff" , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > Ring members identified drivers who looked >affluent and > mature, boxed them in and slammed on the brakes, >forcing > the motorists to rear-end them, officials said. If the drivers weren't following so damned close or paid attention, this never would have happened. ``` (o o) *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| *--------------------------oooO------------* |__||__| || || ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 14 10:26:34 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA00228; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 10:26:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA04475; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 10:25:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from gwsmtp.nlm.nih.gov by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA20606; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 10:25:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from NLM-Message_Server by gwsmtp.nlm.nih.gov with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 10:24:53 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 10:24:27 -0500 From: Sandy Triolo To: ursulina.viteri@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, bmccoy@XXXXXX, ghowell@XXXXXX Subject: Re: RE: summer gear? You can put out da bucks and get perforated leathers, cool and very safe. sandy 87 Hurricane 600F 85 Virago 1000 >>> George Howell 01/13 11:34 PM >>> >I know jeans aren't the greatest but what else can I do? Get those >Kevlar padded jeans (Draggin Jeans) advertised in the back of cycle >magazines? Has anyone tried them? Sizes by 1 inch increments up to 40 doesn't help me much (missed it by that much!) especially when the moto mags say that they are cut 'slim' or whatever it is (IOW, not a full cut). YMMV: Your Mileage May Very -George From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 14 10:31:56 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA00333; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 10:31:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA04579; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 10:30:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from xgate.usia.gov by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA20823; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 10:30:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from Connect2 Message Router by xgate.usia.gov via Connect2-SMTP 4.31.02; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 10:26:24 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 10:29:45 -0500 From: "Adams, Bill" Sender: "Adams, Bill" Organization: USIA To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC Cycles) Subject: Dirt bike venues in DC area... Importance: High X-SMF-Hop-Count: 2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Connect2-SMTP 4.31.02 MHS/SMF to SMTP Gateway Beaver Dam Reservoir, just the other side of Dulles airport. You can be there in about twenty minutes and its full of off-road trails. I went there with the Land Rover a couple of weekends ago. If you like mud, there's lots of that too. No big air opportunities though, for you Jeremy McGrath wannabes. Bill Adams 3D Artist/Animator '66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon, '81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard: "Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 14 10:32:27 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA00373; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 10:32:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA04595; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 10:31:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from draco.eisi.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA20850; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 10:31:23 -0500 (EST) Received: by draco.eisi.com; id KAA18743; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 10:31:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from unknown(10.3.1.4) by draco.eisi.com via smap (3.2) id xma018712; Wed, 14 Jan 98 10:30:54 -0500 Received: by HRNEXCH1 with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 10:30:55 -0500 Message-ID: <7F151D3C3920D111859A080009D806396E6C69@HRNEXCH1> From: "Whiteside, John" To: DC Cycles Subject: RE: Intentional accidents Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 10:30:53 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Yes and no. If someone cuts right in front of you and slams on the brakes, a split second can make the difference. If you happen to be glancing in your rear-view when it happens, you may hit them. Even the most careful driver can have this happen -- you could be keeping a safe distance between you and car in front of you, but if someone pulls right in six inches from your bumper and hits the brakes... (Which is not to say that most people follow too damn close, and drivers of nice sedans seem to be among the worst offenders...) The whole thing sounds like another reason not to wash my pickup truck! -- John Whiteside > -----Original Message----- > From: George Howell [SMTP:ghowell@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 1998 10:17 AM > To: Chris Norloff; DC Cycles > Subject: Re: Intentional accidents > > > Ring members identified drivers who looked > >affluent and > > mature, boxed them in and slammed on the > brakes, > >forcing > > the motorists to rear-end them, officials > said. > > If the drivers weren't following so damned close or paid attention, > this > never would have happened. > > > > ``` > (o o) > *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* > |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| > |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| > *--------------------------oooO------------* > |__||__| > || || > ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 14 10:40:16 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA00472; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 10:40:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA04846; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 10:39:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from att.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA21105; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 10:39:12 -0500 (EST) From: mdow@XXXXXX Received: by cagw1.att.com; Wed Jan 14 10:33 EST 1998 Received: from dcn.dcn.att.com (dcn.dcn.att.com [135.44.192.113]) by caig1.att.att.com (AT&T/GW-1.0) with SMTP id KAA01080 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 10:28:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from dcn72.dcn.att.com by dcn.dcn.att.com with SMTP id AA12337 (5.67c/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 14 Jan 1998 10:39:40 -0500 Received: by dcn72.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD20D8.C6E91230@XXXXXX>; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 10:40:05 -0500 Message-Id: To: , , , , Subject: RE: RE: summer gear? Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 10:40:04 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just bought a Vansen jacket, which is perforated over the chest, but the sleeves are solid. I bought a zip-in vest to go with it, which essentially defeats the perforations. I have not been able to evaluate it's warm-weather performance yet, but with the vest in, it's relatively warm in the cold. Still try to pack a couple of layers though. >---------- >From: Sandy Triolo[SMTP:TRIOLOS@XXXXXX] >Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 1998 10:24 AM >To: ursulina.viteri@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX; >bmccoy@XXXXXX; ghowell@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: RE: summer gear? > >You can put out da bucks and get perforated leathers, cool and very safe. > >sandy >87 Hurricane 600F >85 Virago 1000 > >>>> George Howell 01/13 11:34 PM >>> >>I know jeans aren't the greatest but what else can I do? Get those >>Kevlar padded jeans (Draggin Jeans) advertised in the back of cycle >>magazines? Has anyone tried them? > >Sizes by 1 inch increments up to 40 doesn't help me much (missed it by that >much!) especially when the moto mags say that they are cut 'slim' or >whatever it is (IOW, not a full cut). > >YMMV: Your Mileage May Very > >-George > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 14 10:42:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA00524; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 10:42:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA05048; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 10:41:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA21222; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 10:41:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from default ([12.68.76.119]) by mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA1349; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 15:40:51 +0000 Reply-To: "kevin thomas" From: "kevin thomas" To: "DC Cycles" , "ursulina viteri" Subject: Re: Dirt bikes near DC Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 10:37:30 -0500 Message-ID: <01bd2102$53b58c60$774c440c@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Ursulina Somebody on the list was talking about an off road vehicle park in N. Va. I dunno who or where. I was also looking at the AMA event listing that was posted the other day. There are a whole lot of places nearby for racing, and I'd bet that there are places for riding at some of these racing venues. I think having an old dual purpose bike would be wonderful. That really is the next bike I buy. See ya Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 14 10:46:18 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA00580; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 10:46:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA05448; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 10:45:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA21394; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 10:45:13 -0500 (EST) From: RDWOODJR Message-ID: <65f7c1f3.34bcdd5f@aol.com> Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 10:44:29 EST To: ghowell@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: apple warmer Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Well, George you can have the apple warmer, if you like. Gimme a call 301-888-1030. I have a very flexible schedule (i.e. looking for a job). Never got your e-mail (thanks aol), just noticed the post on the list. (I'm on digest mode, not sure I like it): Clinton Cycle is a good place to buy a tire (you might get a better deal at Coleman, if you mention my name to Billy), their prices are reasonable, not mail-order (they have to pay their people somehow), and installation prices are printed on the tire rack (and fair). As the ex service manager and parts dept manager of Atlantic, I could explain to you why they charge those labor prices, but that doesn't make it right. And I don't work for them anymore. Richard Wood From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 14 10:47:44 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA00614; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 10:47:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA05542; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 10:46:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA21451; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 10:46:40 -0500 (EST) From: bmccoy@XXXXXX Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id KAA11861 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 10:46:34 -0500 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma011814; Wed, 14 Jan 98 10:46:07 -0500 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id KAA05296 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 10:46:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.10.00) id AA884792589; Wed, 14 Jan 98 10:43:11 -0500 Message-Id: <9801148847.AA884792589@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.10.00 Date: Wed, 14 Jan 98 10:42:12 -0500 To: Subject: Re[2]: downshifting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: "cc:Mail Note Part" I do.. I know it.. And I've spent tons of time, energy and money on this issue. Everything from having the calipers rebuilt for me - to rebuilding the master cylinder - to Replacing the master cylinder.. adding steel braided lines, changing fluid a lot - double bleeding brake lines... Nothing I've done has made any kind of major improvement. (oh yea, new pads too...) They are consistently bad - but not as bad as some other VF500's I've been near. Brian ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ At 03:40 PM 1/13/98 -0500, Brian McCoy wrote: >This is a case of 'do as i say, and not as I do' - but I have a reason >behind my engine braking - my brakes don't work worth a damn. If I didn't >use the engine to slow down, I'd end up hurting myself somewhere (just >means I plan ahead and try to never get over my head.) Sounds like you have a serious safety-related defect in your brakes. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 14 10:54:34 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA00751; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 10:54:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06054; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 10:53:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from dadc011.army.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA21701; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 10:53:04 -0500 (EST) Received: by Pentagon-DADC011.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 10:57:04 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: kevin thomas , DC Cycles , ursulina viteri Subject: RE: Dirt bikes near DC Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 10:56:15 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Good! I hope everyone on the list buys a dual purpose bike so that I have someone to ride with! Glenn Dysart DysarGB@XXXXXX dysart@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna > Somebody on the list was talking about an off road vehicle park in N. > Va. I > dunno who or where. I was also looking at the AMA event listing that > was > posted the other day. There are a whole lot of places nearby for > racing, > and I'd bet that there are places for riding at some of these racing > venues. > I think having an old dual purpose bike would be wonderful. That > really is > the next bike I buy. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 14 11:03:02 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA00879; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 11:03:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA06484; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 11:01:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA21997; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 11:01:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com by mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (8.8.8/McCaw V8 version 1) id IAA22968; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 08:01:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id IAA27481; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 08:01:23 -0800 Received: from hq-msg01.nwest.mccaw.com by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id IAA27471; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 08:01:21 -0800 Received: by hq-msg01.nwest.mccaw.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD20C2.947239A0@XXXXXX>; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 08:01:12 -0800 Message-ID: From: "Viteri, Ursulina" To: "'Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN'" , "'kevin thomas'" , "'DC Cycles'" , "'ursulina viteri'" Subject: RE: Dirt bikes near DC Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 07:57:18 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 34 TEXT Aren't most Dual Purpose bikes (Enduros, right?) made mostly for taller people? I'm 5'5" and want to be able to put my feet on the ground. Ursulina Viteri 202-416-6534 * Fax 202-223-9095 AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. - Washington, DC >-----Original Message----- >From: Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN [SMTP:Dysart@XXXXXX] >Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 1998 7:56 AM >To: kevin thomas; DC Cycles; ursulina viteri >Subject: RE: Dirt bikes near DC > >Good! I hope everyone on the list buys a dual purpose bike so that I >have someone to ride with! > >Glenn Dysart >DysarGB@XXXXXX >dysart@XXXXXX > >84 V30 Magna > >> Somebody on the list was talking about an off road vehicle park in N. >> Va. I >> dunno who or where. I was also looking at the AMA event listing that >> was >> posted the other day. There are a whole lot of places nearby for >> racing, >> and I'd bet that there are places for riding at some of these racing >> venues. >> I think having an old dual purpose bike would be wonderful. That >> really is >> the next bike I buy. >> From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 14 11:06:53 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA00941; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 11:06:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA06579; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 11:05:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from goliath.intelsol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA22115; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 11:05:46 -0500 (EST) From: sbeck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.06 (346.8 3-18-1997)) id 8525658C.0059087A ; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 11:12:28 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <8525658C.00588EE5.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 11:12:24 -0400 Subject: RE: Intentional accidents Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII >Yes and no. If someone cuts right in front of you and slams on the >brakes, a split second can make the difference. If you happen to be >glancing in your rear-view when it happens, you may hit them. Even the >most careful driver can have this happen -- you could be keeping a safe >distance between you and car in front of you, but if someone pulls right >in six inches from your bumper and hits the brakes... This is exactly how these low life scum were causing these accidents. Too bad they didn't try it on a very large truck and rid us of their scumbag selves. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 14 11:20:43 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA01203; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 11:20:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07179; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 11:19:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA22509; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 11:19:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id KAA18279; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 10:17:36 -0600 (CST) Received: from imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid02.mcit.com [166.37.221.14]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id KAA12766; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 10:17:34 -0600 (CST) Received: from mci.com ([166.32.114.127]) by imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with ESMTP id <19980114161729.CPZZ28757@XXXXXX>; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 10:17:29 -0600 Message-ID: <34BCE514.7A1503FE@mci.com> Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 11:17:24 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Reply-To: Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" CC: kevin thomas , DC Cycles , ursulina viteri Subject: Re: Dirt bikes near DC References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DP bikes do seem to have a seriously high fun factor already built in. I'd love to get one someday... Dale (the Horkster) Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN wrote: > Good! I hope everyone on the list buys a dual purpose bike so that I > have someone to ride with! > > Glenn Dysart > DysarGB@XXXXXX > dysart@XXXXXX > > 84 V30 Magna > > > Somebody on the list was talking about an off road vehicle park in N. > > Va. I > > dunno who or where. I was also looking at the AMA event listing that > > was > > posted the other day. There are a whole lot of places nearby for > > racing, > > and I'd bet that there are places for riding at some of these racing > > venues. > > I think having an old dual purpose bike would be wonderful. That > > really is > > the next bike I buy. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 14 11:22:33 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA01250; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 11:22:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07569; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 11:21:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA22565; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 11:21:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.02c) id A5DB4E9028A; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 11:20:43 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980114112131.009ee3e0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 11:21:31 -0500 To: bmccoy@XXXXXX, , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Re[2]: downshifting In-Reply-To: <9801148847.AA884792589@smtplink.micros.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" That's really scary. You've done all I would know to do. You aren't using metallic (racing) brake pads are you? I understand they take a lot of braking to warm up, and street machines just don't do that. If everything is basically functional, then the four remaining factors are 1. hydraulic pressure (and the resultant force of the pistons on the pads), 2. the brake pads (friction) 3. the brake disks (friction, smoothness, trueness) 4. the tires (friction) 1. Could your system have a mismatched master cylinder & calipers? Maybe you're not putting enough pressure onto the brake pads. Any service bulletins address this? Maybe try contacting AMI through _Motorcycle Consumer News_, or the tech editor at _Rider_. Both seem to me to know what they're talking about. I wonder if an aftermarket master cylinder would help (smaller would put more pressure in the lines, but require more lever travel). Somebody might be racing those kind of bikes (in the Sportsman run-what-you-brung class, or whatever it's called now) - I wonder what they do? 2. Are the pads recommended for street use? Did they get glazed (hard, shiny surface that's reduced friction)? 3. Are the disks relatively smooth and true (not warped)? Could this be some kind of friction mis-match between the pad material and the brake disks? Are the disks chromed or plated in some manner? 4. Good quality name-brand tires, preferably sport or sport/touring type tires? remind me not to ride in front of you, :-) Chris Norloff At 10:42 AM 1/14/98 -0500, bmccoy@XXXXXX wrote: > > I do.. I know it.. And I've spent tons of time, energy and money on > this issue. Everything from having the calipers rebuilt for me - to > rebuilding the master cylinder - to Replacing the master cylinder.. > adding steel braided lines, changing fluid a lot - double bleeding > brake lines... Nothing I've done has made any kind of major > improvement. (oh yea, new pads too...) They are consistently bad - > but not as bad as some other VF500's I've been near. > > Brian > > >______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ > >At 03:40 PM 1/13/98 -0500, Brian McCoy wrote: >>This is a case of 'do as i say, and not as I do' - but I have a reason >>behind my engine braking - my brakes don't work worth a damn. If I didn't >>use the engine to slow down, I'd end up hurting myself somewhere (just >>means I plan ahead and try to never get over my head.) > >Sounds like you have a serious safety-related defect in your brakes. > >Chris Norloff > > > > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 14 11:22:33 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA01251; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 11:22:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07567; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 11:21:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA22562; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 11:21:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.02c) id A5DA4E9028A; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 11:20:42 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980114110656.009edeb0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 11:06:56 -0500 To: DC Cycles From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Intentional accidents In-Reply-To: <7F151D3C3920D111859A080009D806396E6C69@HRNEXCH1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:30 AM 1/14/98 -0500, Whiteside, John wrote: >Yes and no. If someone cuts right in front of you and slams on the >brakes, a split second can make the difference. If you happen to be >glancing in your rear-view when it happens, you may hit them. Even the >most careful driver can have this happen -- you could be keeping a safe >distance between you and car in front of you, but if someone pulls right >in six inches from your bumper and hits the brakes... > >(Which is not to say that most people follow too damn close, and drivers >of nice sedans seem to be among the worst offenders...) > >The whole thing sounds like another reason not to wash my pickup truck! Good idea! Yet another reason not to look affluent whether you are or not. I got caught in an insurance scam like this, in California. Rt. 1 near Malibu, car in the left lane paced the car in front of me (who was the target). Two cars in front of the target started accelerating and slowing, accelerating and slowing. When the target got close, the first car braked sharply, and the second car braked to a stop. The target almost got stopped in time, but still hit the second car. I got stopped in time (hooray for anti-lock brakes!) then I got rear-ended and pushed into the target's car. The second car had a Hispanic man, woman, & child (no offense intended here, but the scam artists hire desperate people to get hit, and in Southern California, Hispanic folks can get desperate for work). Even though they were riding together and looked like a family, they didn't know each others' names. The man refused to tell me his name or show me his drivers' license. The investigating CHP officer said this was the 4th EXACT SAME wreck in his patrol area. It's a jungle out there, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 14 11:25:09 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA01301; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 11:25:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07685; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 11:24:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from welchlink.welch.jhu.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA22673; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 11:24:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from HGREENS.adventisthealthcare.com (Pool-207-205-219-235.pitb.grid.net [207.205.219.235]) by welchlink.welch.jhu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA20648; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 11:21:25 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980114112456.006ac24c@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: hggmd@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 11:24:56 -0500 To: sbeck@XXXXXX From: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." Subject: RE: Intentional accidents Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <8525658C.00588EE5.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:12 AM 1/14/98 -0400, sbeck@XXXXXX wrote: > >This is exactly how these low life scum were causing these accidents. >Too bad they didn't try it on a very large truck and rid us of their >scumbag selves. > Actually, this is how the scam originally started out West. They would pack a car full of poor farm workers, then get nailed by a truck knowing that trucking companies had good liability insurance. Several got killed, which is why the leaders have moved from Macks to Mercedes. Harry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 14 11:48:46 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA01775; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 11:48:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA09259; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 11:47:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA23432; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 11:47:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id LAA16987; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 11:46:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid02.mcit.com [166.37.221.14]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id LAA18961; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 11:46:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19980114164657.CTOF28757@[166.41.242.141]>; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 10:46:57 -0600 Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 11:34 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: George Howell CC: "John C. Kozyn" , "dc-cycles" Subject: Re: Braking and Turning X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980114164657.CTOF28757@[166.41.242.141]> >Also, if you are dragging a centerstand or exhaust, can you lean any >further? Try it and you will note the instant transferrance of contact patch to sparks, and the curious sensation known as Road Cometry. Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 14 11:50:01 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA01794; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 11:50:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA09315; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 11:48:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA23497; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 11:48:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id KAA01923; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 10:46:57 -0600 (CST) Received: from imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid02.mcit.com [166.37.221.14]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id KAA06359; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 10:46:57 -0600 (CST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19980114164656.CTOD28757@[166.41.242.141]>; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 10:46:56 -0600 Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 11:32 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: George Howell CC: "O'Brien, Jeannette" , "dc-cycles" Subject: Shavings Was: downshifting X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980114164656.CTOD28757@[166.41.242.141]> George Howell wrote: >> Like you, I'm still unclear >>what damage I could be doing to the trany while engine braking. > >Good clutch, good traction, good engine. Downshifting means the gear >selected in tranny must spin faster. It works back up through the clutch >into the engine to make engine turn faster. Engine can't accelerate >rapidly enough, so tranny turns into a box of shavings. > >I guess:) Kevin Thomas Wrote: >What I'm saying is downshifting to accelerate is fine. Downshifting to slow >down is bad. Downshifting while slowing down can be either good or bad. As >a substitute for brakes, it's bad. Done to keep the engine RPM in a >desirable range for better response is good. Since George is guessing, based on his scenario I'd guess just the same thing would happen with an engine that wants to go faster than the transfer of energy can be made. IOW, just the opposite of this scene, or what is SUPPOSED to happen (acceleration). Anybody out there care to clear this up? Is there damage both ways? Strain on trany on Accel, and engine braking Decel? Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 14 11:53:45 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA01830; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 11:53:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA09439; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 11:52:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA23615; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 11:52:37 -0500 (EST) From: bmccoy@XXXXXX Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id LAA18779 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 11:52:37 -0500 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma018743; Wed, 14 Jan 98 11:52:13 -0500 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id LAA07233 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 11:52:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.10.00) id AA884796555; Wed, 14 Jan 98 11:49:17 -0500 Message-Id: <9801148847.AA884796555@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.10.00 Date: Wed, 14 Jan 98 11:48:42 -0500 To: Subject: Brians Braking habits.. :P MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: "cc:Mail Note Part" That's really scary. You've done all I would know to do. You aren't using metallic (racing) brake pads are you? I understand they take a lot of braking to warm up, and street machines just don't do that. If everything is basically functional, then the four remaining factors are 1. hydraulic pressure (and the resultant force of the pistons on the pads), 2. the brake pads (friction) 3. the brake disks (friction, smoothness, trueness) 4. the tires (friction) 1. Could your system have a mismatched master cylinder & calipers? Maybe you're not putting enough pressure onto the brake pads. Any service bulletins address this? Maybe try contacting AMI through _Motorcycle Consumer News_, or the tech editor at _Rider_. Both seem to me to know what they're talking about. I wonder if an aftermarket master cylinder would help (smaller would put more pressure in the lines, but require more lever travel). Somebody might be racing those kind of bikes (in the Sportsman run-what-you-brung class, or whatever it's called now) - I wonder what they do? Possibly (considering I've played with them). Right now I'm running the standard stuff so I can retain my mirror mounts - but even with Hurrycane gear (only a mastercylinder at this time) - it doesn't make much difference. 2. Are the pads recommended for street use? Did they get glazed (hard, shiny surface that's reduced friction)? Pads are Honda pads - i.e OEM 3. Are the disks relatively smooth and true (not warped)? Could this be some kind of friction mis-match between the pad material and the brake disks? Are the disks chromed or plated in some manner? The disks are in good condition (for the front, the rear is getting to its limit) - One is almost new (used for the year I've had it) 4. Good quality name-brand tires, preferably sport or sport/touring type tires? More or less brand new Avon Super Venom tires - when the vintage race guys prefer (at least in Europe). remind me not to ride in front of you, You already did.. and I was climbing up your tail (looks like a ship from Battlestar Galactica!!!) Really, I don't ride that fast because I know how LOOOOOooooooOOOONG it takes me to stop. I have NEVER had to little room to slow down when the situation calls for it - even in Emergency situation. A lot of my city riding skills stem directly from my motorcycle - I know I can't stop on a dime, so I watch for escape routes - and utilize them (I can fit in some Tight spots with that bike). I am looking at getting a better bike now that I can afford one (probably should have done that before buying the race bike.. opps. :P ). I just ride the 'Pace' all the time - corner speed determined long before I get to the corner... Brian - who's riding faster without brakes than with brakes - McCoy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 14 13:25:54 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA03553; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 13:25:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA13870; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 13:24:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from sundown.northgrum.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA26445; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 13:24:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from puff.northgrum.com (puff.northgrum.com [157.127.103.139]) by sundown.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id KAA19199 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 10:24:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from xcgca011.northgrum.com ([157.127.103.101]) by puff.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id KAA13906 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 10:24:15 -0800 (PST) Received: by XCGCA011 with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 10:25:04 -0800 Message-ID: <11D743514607D011A15500805FEA3464A45DE3@xcgva001.grumman.com> From: "Meier, Christopher" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, "'bmccoy@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Brians Braking habits.. :P Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 10:24:50 -0800 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain > ---------- > From: bmccoy@XXXXXX[SMTP:bmccoy@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 1998 11:48 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Brians Braking habits.. :P --snip-- (Chris Norloff quips ...) > remind me not to ride in front of you, > > You already did.. and I was climbing up your tail (looks like a > ship > from Battlestar Galactica!!!) --snip-- No, that was me Chris MEIER, not Chris NORLOFF. As I remember at the time, I wasn't as concerned about the condition of your brakes as I was at the fact your headlight didn't work. It made it damn hard to keep track of you in my mirrors ... Later, chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 14 13:32:22 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA03708; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 13:32:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA14110; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 13:31:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA26668; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 13:31:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.172.70.234] (spg-as103s43.erols.com [207.172.70.234]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA17193 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 13:33:48 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 13:33:48 -0500 (EST) X-Sender: r.chapin@XXXXXX Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <9801148847.AA884796555@smtplink.micros.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Ryan Chapin Subject: Re: Brians Braking habits.. :P Brian, A year or so ago I stumbled on a VF500 site with some info that might explain your braking problem. Basically you should check the Caliper slide pins, they tend to get corroded and freeze up, which causes really poor brake performance, The site still might be up try going to http://math.uwaterloo.ca/~rblander/moto.html From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 14 13:59:02 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA04271; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 13:59:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA15102; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 13:57:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from server4.illuminet.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA27602; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 13:57:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from kzan (t0215.scott.af.mil [140.175.95.148]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA27692; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 13:59:55 -0500 Message-ID: <34BCFAA0.D06C03B3@illuminet.net> Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 12:49:20 -0500 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bmccoy@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Was(Re[2]: Newbie in the rain ) .. now??? X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <9801138847.AA884731713@smtplink.micros.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've bought two bikes at more than $500, the '83 CX650 cost me $800 in '85 and my '89 EX250 cost $900 last spring. The Aerostich has lots of options; thinsulate, custom leg length, custom sleeve length, back and hip protectors, those ran the price up over $1200. I've had about a dozen bikes, but never any expensive ones. Leon. bmccoy@XXXXXX wrote: > Good lord Leon - you've never spent more than $500 on any one > motorcycle? Heck, even my best buy didn't get below $700 - > though i > did buy my truck for $100 (52 Check pick-um-up truck)... > > Brian > > ______________________________ Reply Separator > _________________________________ > I took my winter fall as a message from God to buy an Aerostich. I > have > a new one being built as we type. It costs $300 more than the most > expensive bike I've ever bought. > > Leon. > > Viteri, Ursulina wrote: > > > Good point. My accident should bump me up a grade in the Newbie > level > > > > system. > > > > Would you believe I asked God that if he has any more falls for me > in > > mind could he do them while I'm dressing for winter riding. I'm > sure > > the extra layers of clothes (and naturally occurring insulation > i.e.: > > flab) kept me from getting really hurt. Imagine that same fall if > it > > had been summertime. Big Ouch! > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 14 13:59:07 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA04276; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 13:59:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA15114; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 13:58:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from m-net.arbornet.org by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA27609; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 13:58:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (bmccoy@localhost) by m-net.arbornet.org (8.8.5/8.8.6) with SMTP id NAA27780 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 13:54:01 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 13:54:00 -0500 (EST) From: Brian McCoy To: DC-Cycles list Subject: Brians headlight In-Reply-To: <11D743514607D011A15500805FEA3464A45DE3@xcgva001.grumman.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII That's a faulty starter switch - I got it to turn on later that evening and it seems to be working all the time again now. Man, I really ride a rat bike - don't I? I'm supprised you all still put up with me and my bike.. The thing smokes, doesn't have brakes, the headlight doesn't work - I'm holding some things together with ducktape (non-esential parts like my fuse cover), I HAD a skimpy rear tire, the exhaust can on the left side wobbles, etc.. etc..... On Wed, 14 Jan 1998, Meier, Christopher wrote: > > No, that was me Chris MEIER, not Chris NORLOFF. As I remember at the > time, I wasn't as concerned about the condition of your brakes as I was > at the fact your headlight didn't work. It made it damn hard to keep > track of you in my mirrors ... Brian P. McCoy - 86' VF500fg (street) - 92/94 RS125 (race) bmccoy@XXXXXX (work) (301)210-8000 x 2155 (work) bmccoy@XXXXXX (personal) (301)445-4451 (home) www.geocities.com\motorcity\1319 (OLD Homepage - view at your own risk) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 14 14:19:33 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA04794; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 14:19:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA16154; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 14:16:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from server4.illuminet.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA28353; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 14:16:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from kzan (t0215.scott.af.mil [140.175.95.148]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA28282; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 14:19:39 -0500 Message-ID: <34BCFF3F.8973DE7F@illuminet.net> Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 13:09:04 -0500 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: George Howell CC: bmccoy@XXXXXX, DC Cycles Subject: Re: Was(Re[2]: Newbie in the rain ) .. now??? X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit EX250 or maybe an EX500. Bodywork will need to be repaired, be ready to spend a weekend or two with fiberglass and a bunch of sandpaper. The other thing to look for is low mileage and one that's been in the garage for at least a year. Leon. George Howell wrote: > > Good lord Leon - you've never spent more than $500 on any one > > motorcycle? Heck, even my best buy didn't get below $700 - > though i > > did buy my truck for $100 (52 Check pick-um-up truck)... > > Actually, I was wondering what sport bikes (full faired, preferably, > although cool stuff like Hawks can pass) and DPs can be had in the > Leon > price range. I want a complete stable, but on a major budget. > > ``` > (o o) > *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* > |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| > |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| > *--------------------------oooO------------* > |__||__| > || || > ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 14 14:19:33 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA04795; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 14:19:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA16161; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 14:17:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA28366; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 14:17:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id NAA03779; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 13:16:16 -0600 (CST) Received: from imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid02.mcit.com [166.37.221.14]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id OAA20000; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 14:16:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from mci.com ([166.32.114.127]) by imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with ESMTP id <19980114191615.DJLE28757@XXXXXX>; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 13:16:15 -0600 Message-ID: <34BD0EFA.5ECDA6E1@mci.com> Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 14:16:10 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Reply-To: Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brian McCoy CC: DC-Cycles list Subject: Re: Brians headlight References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ahh, but rat bikes have character. Can't deny that! Brian McCoy wrote: > That's a faulty starter switch - I got it to turn on later that evening > and it seems to be working all the time again now. Man, I really ride a > rat bike - don't I? I'm supprised you all still put up with me and my > bike.. The thing smokes, doesn't have brakes, the headlight doesn't work - > I'm holding some things together with ducktape (non-esential parts like my > fuse cover), I HAD a skimpy rear tire, the exhaust can on the left side > wobbles, etc.. etc..... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 14 14:20:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA04826; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 14:20:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA16225; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 14:19:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from tangerine.uucom.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA28410; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 14:19:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from tangerine.uucom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tangerine.uucom.com (8.8.7/8.8.4/970102ccg) with ESMTP id OAA17779 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 14:17:56 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199801141917.OAA17779@tangerine.uucom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Was(Re[2]: Newbie in the rain ) .. now??? In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 14 Jan 1998 12:49:20 EST." <34BCFAA0.D06C03B3@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 14:17:56 -0500 From: "Matthew V. J. Whalen" I think I heard Leon Begeman say: >I've bought two bikes at more than $500, the '83 CX650 cost me $800 in >'85 and my '89 EX250 cost $900 last spring. The Aerostich has lots of >options; thinsulate, custom leg length, custom sleeve length, back and >hip protectors, those ran the price up over $1200. It's funny, in a strange kind of way, that protective clothing cost you more than any of your bikes. I'm not sure if I'm glad that this isn't true for me or wish that it was. -matthew '97 Buell S3, HG Leathers ----- -matthew From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 14 14:20:42 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA04832; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 14:20:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA16209; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 14:19:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from m-net.arbornet.org by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA28385; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 14:18:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (bmccoy@localhost) by m-net.arbornet.org (8.8.5/8.8.6) with SMTP id OAA02839 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 14:13:56 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 14:13:56 -0500 (EST) From: Brian McCoy cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Brians Braking habits.. :P In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I read through that too (it's a valid concern for an Interceptor bikes) - and when I had the pistons cleaned, I asked them to make sure the pins were cleaned and re-lubbed as well. So, as long as my shop's mechanic was doing his job well, it was done (I have no reason to think the mechanic incompitent). Like I said somewhere - next step is another bike or Hurrycane front end brake components (I believe they are bolt on) On Wed, 14 Jan 1998, Ryan Chapin wrote: > Brian, > > A year or so ago I stumbled on a VF500 site with some info that might > explain your braking problem. Basically you should check the Caliper slide > pins, they tend to get corroded and freeze up, which causes really poor > brake performance, > > The site still might be up try going to > http://math.uwaterloo.ca/~rblander/moto.html > > Brian P. McCoy - 86' VF500fg (street) - 92/94 RS125 (race) bmccoy@XXXXXX (work) (301)210-8000 x 2155 (work) bmccoy@XXXXXX (personal) (301)445-4451 (home) www.geocities.com\motorcity\1319 (OLD Homepage - view at your own risk) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 14 14:49:49 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA05787; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 14:49:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA17390; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 14:48:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA29787; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 14:48:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.02c) id A6505440140; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 14:47:28 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980114144800.00a0de10@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 14:48:00 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Was(Re[2]: Newbie in the rain ) .. now??? In-Reply-To: <199801141917.OAA17779@tangerine.uucom.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 02:17 PM 1/14/98 -0500, Matthew V. J. Whalen wrote: >I think I heard Leon Begeman say: >>I've bought two bikes at more than $500, the '83 CX650 cost me $800 in >>'85 and my '89 EX250 cost $900 last spring. The Aerostich has lots of >>options; thinsulate, custom leg length, custom sleeve length, back and >>hip protectors, those ran the price up over $1200. > >It's funny, in a strange kind of way, that protective clothing cost you >more than any of your bikes. I'm not sure if I'm glad that this isn't >true for me or wish that it was. He's got his priorities straight. We are worth more than the pieces of machinery we ride. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 14 15:02:37 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA06006; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 15:02:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA17956; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 15:01:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA00131; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 15:01:11 -0500 (EST) From: Jinn Sinn Message-ID: <9678d341.34bd18b6@aol.com> Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 14:57:40 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: Was(Re[2]: Newbie in the rain ) .. now??? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) In a message dated 1/14/98 2:56:29 PM, cnorloff@XXXXXX wrote: <> at least, one HOPES this is true ;D From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 14 15:03:16 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA06012; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 15:03:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA17981; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 15:02:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA00191; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 15:02:12 -0500 (EST) From: bmccoy@XXXXXX Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id PAA04795 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 15:02:11 -0500 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma004793; Wed, 14 Jan 98 15:02:07 -0500 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id PAA12034 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 15:02:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.10.00) id AA884807948; Wed, 14 Jan 98 14:59:11 -0500 Message-Id: <9801148848.AA884807948@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.10.00 Date: Wed, 14 Jan 98 14:58:39 -0500 To: Subject: Re[2]: Was(Re[2]: Newbie in the rain ) .. now??? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: "cc:Mail Note Part" Me too.. $800 'Stich, $700 VF500fg - $400 Arai (due for replacement), $110 Held Gloves, $240 Sidi/Aerostich Combat Touring Boots... still a $700 VF500fg (with money put into the front brakes, tires, chain, sprockets, oil... etc). I feel confident that my priorities are in the right place at this time - and as money allows, I will upgrade my motorcycle and replace the safety gear. Brian McCoy ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ It's funny, in a strange kind of way, that protective clothing cost you more than any of your bikes. I'm not sure if I'm glad that this isn't true for me or wish that it was. -matthew '97 Buell S3, HG Leathers ----- -matthew From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 14 17:48:21 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA09322; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 17:48:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA23094; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 17:47:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA06101; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 17:47:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (spg-tnt19s198.erols.com [207.172.119.198]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA22756; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 17:49:39 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <34BD3FED.C8A8FC66@geocities.com> Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 17:45:01 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX CC: George Howell , bmccoy@XXXXXX, DC Cycles Subject: Re: stable of bikes References: <34BCD105.B1DDAB43@mci.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The guy I'm buying my racebike from is silly with bikes...Most of his stuff is sportbikes (around wholesale price..some lower.some higher) but he has a mint 1k mile 96 intruder 800 for 4200 and for the dirt lovers he has an 89 CR 125 for 1100 (I think) which is reasonable. If I had more cash, he has several bikes that I'd love to get a hold of...... (a certain NSR 250 coming soon.... I'd love to drool over that) Collin Dale Horstman wrote: > >From what I've seen, older Sportbikes and Dirtbikes are usually > way overpriced, err, uhmm, hold their value for a long time. I > haven't seen much that qualifies as reasonable (generally $1k or > less). > > I could buy lots of bikes for $1 per cc or less, if I was > patient enough and looked hard enough. These are generally > cruiser or standard type motorcycles, though. > > Also interested in anyone else's input here. > > Dale (the Horkster) > > George Howell wrote: > > > > Good lord Leon - you've never spent more than $500 on any one > > > motorcycle? Heck, even my best buy didn't get below $700 - though i > > > did buy my truck for $100 (52 Check pick-um-up truck)... > > > > Actually, I was wondering what sport bikes (full faired, preferably, > > although cool stuff like Hawks can pass) and DPs can be had in the Leon > > price range. I want a complete stable, but on a major budget. > > > > ``` > > (o o) > > *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* > > |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| > > |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| > > *--------------------------oooO------------* > > |__||__| > > || || > > ooO Ooo -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 14 17:54:04 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA09455; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 17:54:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA23387; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 17:53:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA06416; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 17:52:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (spg-tnt19s198.erols.com [207.172.119.198]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA24647; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 17:55:40 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <34BD4156.E3E23F2B@geocities.com> Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 17:51:02 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Meier, Christopher" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, "'bmccoy@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: Brians Braking habits.. :P References: <11D743514607D011A15500805FEA3464A45DE3@xcgva001.grumman.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit How's the shirt slogan go: "Objects in mirror---NO LONGER MATTER" hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahaha Meier, Christopher wrote: > > ---------- > > From: bmccoy@XXXXXX[SMTP:bmccoy@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 1998 11:48 AM > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Brians Braking habits.. :P > --snip-- > (Chris Norloff quips ...) > > remind me not to ride in front of you, > > > > You already did.. and I was climbing up your tail (looks like a > > ship > > from Battlestar Galactica!!!) > --snip-- > > No, that was me Chris MEIER, not Chris NORLOFF. As I remember at the > time, I wasn't as concerned about the condition of your brakes as I was > at the fact your headlight didn't work. It made it damn hard to keep > track of you in my mirrors ... > > Later, > chris > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------ > Christopher A. Meier > meierch@XXXXXX > Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA > 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------ -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 14 20:46:33 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA11753; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 20:46:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA25407; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 20:46:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA01517; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 20:46:03 -0500 (EST) From: RDWOODJR Message-ID: <7eb797b3.34bd6917@aol.com> Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 20:40:36 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: ridng illegally, what else is new? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) I've thought about getting a cheapie dirt bike and getting use to falling and such, but everyone I talk to keeps discouraging me because they say there's no where around here to ride. Is that true? Ursulina Viteri Yes, and no. Where is here? I've been off-road riding in *this area* for 26 years. Used to ride in Springfield, on the property the mall was built on. And in the Contee gravel pits, off I95, near Laurel) Try that now. Now, it seems, it is illegal to ride off-road everywhere, except your own property (and then a problem if the area you live in has covenants restricting such activities, Yeah Right,come and get me!) So, my search for *perfect world* found me a small piece of land along side the power lines I rode on so long ago. Ursulina, get a dirt bike, bring it down here, and ride the same thousands of acres I, and my son do (illegally, of course), from our back yard. Riding well is the best revenge. Hello, George! You're 10 minutes away! I've got a YFS200 Blaster for sale! And we're flush with gravel pits! Richard Wood (take off of DEVO 1978) Wick it! Wick it good! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 14 23:53:34 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA14188; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 23:53:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA00320; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 23:52:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA05799; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 23:52:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.127] (unverified [207.226.128.127]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 23:57:17 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Was(Re[2]: Newbie in the rain ) .. now??? Date: Wed, 14 Jan 98 23:52:39 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Leon Begeman" , cc: "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >I've bought two bikes at more than $500, the '83 CX650 cost me $800 in >'85 and my '89 EX250 cost $900 last spring. The Aerostich has lots of >options; thinsulate, custom leg length, custom sleeve length, back and >hip protectors, those ran the price up over $1200. Without getting a suit and sending it back for alterations, how do you know which custom mods you need on one? ``` (o o) *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| *--------------------------oooO------------* |__||__| || || ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 14 23:53:35 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA14191; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 23:53:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA00327; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 23:53:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA05804; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 23:53:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.127] (unverified [207.226.128.127]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 23:57:20 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Shavings Was: downshifting Date: Wed, 14 Jan 98 23:52:42 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Todd Peer" cc: "O'Brien, Jeannette" , "dc-cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Anybody out there care to clear this up? Is there damage both ways? >Strain on trany on Accel, and engine braking Decel? Don't know about bikes, but you can't live 4 miles from MIR all your life without learning a little 'bout dragsters. And, more than once, an engine has pitched a tranny through the floorpan or the gas tank. ``` (o o) *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| *--------------------------oooO------------* |__||__| || || ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 14 23:53:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA14195; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 23:53:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA00329; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 23:53:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA05806; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 23:53:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.127] (unverified [207.226.128.127]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 23:57:24 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: RE: Intentional accidents Date: Wed, 14 Jan 98 23:52:47 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >This is exactly how these low life scum were causing these accidents. >Too bad they didn't try it on a very large truck and rid us of their >scumbag selves. Somebody pulls in that close on me, and I'm already hitting the brakes. Hard. ``` (o o) *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| *--------------------------oooO------------* |__||__| || || ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 14 23:53:37 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA14196; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 23:53:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA00319; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 23:52:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA05797; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 23:52:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.127] (unverified [207.226.128.127]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 23:57:09 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: RE: Dirt bikes near DC Date: Wed, 14 Jan 98 23:52:30 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Viteri, Ursulina" , "'Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN'" , "'kevin thomas'" , "\"'DC Cycles'\" " , "\"'ursulina viteri'\" " Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Aren't most Dual Purpose bikes (Enduros, right?) made mostly for taller >people? I'm 5'5" and want to be able to put my feet on the ground. Interesting. When I've sat on them in the showrooms, it's been hard to throw a leg over. Then the clearance drops a LOT after I'm on it. Then it doesn't seem like there is a ton of distance from seat to pegs. Probably all due to design tradeoffs due to the intended purpose of the machine. -George (No concerns as long as I can balance the bike with one foot or the other.) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 15 00:12:47 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA14811; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 00:12:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA00941; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 00:12:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA06151; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 00:12:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from default ([12.68.75.10]) by mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA25365 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 05:11:49 +0000 Reply-To: "kevin thomas" From: "kevin thomas" To: "dc-cycles" Subject: re: shavings was downshifting Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 00:08:33 -0500 Message-ID: <01bd2173$a0fc8020$0a4b440c@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0014_01BD2149.B8267820" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01BD2149.B8267820 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Todd said: Anybody out there care to clear this up? Is there damage both ways? Strain on trany on Accel, and engine braking Decel? Todd-- Basically, yes. While we have to shift to accelerate, we don't have to shift to slow down, so the wear and strain of acceleration is justified. And the engine braking problem isn't the engine braking itself, but the downshifts, and especially the sloppy ones. In a car, you'd wear out = the synchros, but motorcycles don't have them. I don't know exactly what = you wear out instead. Gears want to get away from the other gears they mesh with. Under high horsepower, the shafts in the transmission want to separate. Eventually, they'll split the case, if they don't shear their teeth off first. But Bergie's the only one here who's at risk of that. See ya Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01BD2149.B8267820 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Todd said:

Anybody out there care to clear this up?  Is = there=20 damage both ways?
Strain on trany on Accel, and engine braking=20 Decel?


Todd--

Basically, yes.  While we have to = shift to=20 accelerate, we don't have to
shift to slow down, so the wear and = strain of=20 acceleration is justified.
And the engine braking problem isn't the = engine=20 braking itself, but the
downshifts, and especially the sloppy = ones.  In=20 a car, you'd wear out the
synchros, but motorcycles don't have = them.  I=20 don't know exactly what you
wear out instead.  Gears want to get = away=20 from the other gears they mesh
with.  Under high horsepower, the = shafts=20 in the transmission want to
separate.  Eventually, they'll split = the=20 case, if they don't shear their
teeth off first.  But Bergie's = the only=20 one here who's at risk of that.

See = ya
Kevin

 
He who says it cannot be = done should not=20 interrupt him who is doing it.
------=_NextPart_000_0014_01BD2149.B8267820-- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 15 03:45:31 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA16509; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 03:45:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA02446; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 03:45:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA02238; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 03:45:04 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id DAA05885; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 03:40:49 -0500 Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 03:31:37 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: FW: Sorry, Missed Sunday... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980113082539.00952e60@mail.toward.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 13 Jan 1998, Chris Norloff wrote: > At 12:37 PM 1/12/98 -0500, Linda Tanner wrote: > Currently, I have to stop and take a ticket and have > >it validated. The hotel management has decided that they are killing too > >many trees, so they want us to have cute little hangtags. > Ugh. Could you clip it to your windshield (just for the ride in). How > about a clear plastic pouch like the Aerostich left-forearm pouch, or the > straps-on-your-arm plastic pouch for wearing a security badge? If you have > a tankbag, maybe you could put it in the map pocket on top of the tank bag; > I've done that before. Linda,how about getting one of those plastic envelopes that they attach shipping documents with(the ones on the side of UPS boxes that say 'packing list enclosed'),putting your tag in it,and then mounting it inside your windscreen? Also,if the tag is laminated,you could maybe cut some slots in the sides and zip-tie it to your fork. > I remember a campsite attendant who wanted me to put a peel-and-stick > sticker on my windshield, because that's what they had the car drivers do! At my apt complex,you need a sticker for parking.The thing is,they're designed to be put in the rear window of cars(the printing is face down).This wasn't a prob for my CBR9 or S2,but on my S1 the only place to put it is face down on the fork leg.Fortunately,I've got the only bike at that building,so the towing company knows my bike. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 15 03:50:44 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA16534; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 03:50:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA02485; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 03:50:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA02282; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 03:50:32 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id DAA05915; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 03:46:21 -0500 Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 03:42:10 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: tire vendors, balancers, mounters... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 13 Jan 1998, Alan Lapp wrote: > Personally, I wouldn't attempt to mount and balance a MC tire at home. I > just acquired a manual bead breaker/tire changer, but won't be playing with > it until I get (or build) a balancer. Building a balancer is simple.Take two wheel stands(cage type),put the bike's axel through the wheel,then just put the axel on the stands with the wheel suspended between them.Spin the wheel a few times to find any heavy spots and add weights as needed. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 15 04:10:54 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA16751; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 04:10:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA03310; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 04:10:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA02533; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 04:10:34 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id EAA06007; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 04:06:17 -0500 Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 03:55:57 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: RE: downshifting To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D37EC08@badge.tuckerflyer.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Ok all,I've got a good example why downshifting can be bad.We had this goofball on base that had a CBX(if you talked to him and saw the bike,you'd agree w/my characterization).One day he was showing off ripping around the parking lot.He went to slow down to pull in to his parking space,and dropped one gear too many(his brakes weren't too good).The added power to the rear wheel,plus the fact that the tire was shot anyway,caused it to brake lose and he pitched the bike across the lot.He didn't have any protective gear,but he got _real_ lucky and only lost a little skin on his face,elbow,and knee(he was also lucky the bike had crash bars that saved the motor). Like the old saying goes:...the right tool for the right job... The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 15 04:30:31 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA16975; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 04:30:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA03468; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 04:30:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA02762; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 04:30:10 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id EAA06064; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 04:25:59 -0500 Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 04:12:34 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Cheap Sport Bikes To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 14 Jan 1998, George Howell wrote: > Actually, I was wondering what sport bikes (full faired, preferably, > although cool stuff like Hawks can pass) and DPs can be had in the Leon > price range. I want a complete stable, but on a major budget. How about these:GPZ's(esp 550),early CBR6's(Hurricanes),500 Interceptor, RZ350,FZ600(maybe 750),FJ600,GS Suzi's(esp 550),600 Ninjas,EX500,SRX6, Vision,old 400 Hawks,maybe CB-1,maybe FZR400/600,early 600 Kat. You could also get the best of both worlds.Get a big trailie(5-600cc) and then get some sportbike wheels/brakes/suspension for it.As is,you'll have a DP,with the sport kit you'll have a supermotard. ;-) The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 15 04:37:59 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA17022; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 04:37:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA03562; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 04:37:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA02880; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 04:37:46 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id EAA06097; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 04:33:35 -0500 Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 04:27:11 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Brians Braking habits.. :P To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 14 Jan 1998, Brian McCoy wrote: > I read through that too (it's a valid concern for an Interceptor bikes) - > and when I had the pistons cleaned, I asked them to make sure the pins > were cleaned and re-lubbed as well. So, as long as my shop's mechanic was > doing his job well, it was done (I have no reason to think the mechanic > incompitent). Like I said somewhere - next step is another bike or > Hurrycane front end brake components (I believe they are bolt on) Don't put blind faith in mechanics.I had an '86 like yours and when I took it in for it's 8k service,they did the one for the '84/85 model.It idled at 2k rpm and the fuel petcock was screwed up and leaked fuel. I can't believe your brakes are that bad unless it's age and previous ownership is showing.I bought mine new and the brakes were great up till I traded it at 10K miles.The only prob I ever had was with them squeaking when I stopped.This was cured when I fitted aftermarket pads(EBC's I think). The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 15 06:44:05 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA17840; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 06:44:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA05032; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 06:43:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from dadc011.army.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA01115; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 06:43:33 -0500 (EST) Received: by Pentagon-DADC011.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 06:46:40 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: RDWOODJR , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: riding illegally, what else is new? Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 06:46:42 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Speaking of riding illegally, does Fairfax county still have those big (like 500 or 600 cc) DP bikes? I haven't seen them on the road in years. They were white in color and had the Fairfax county logo on the gas tank. p.s. Anyone ride in today? Just checking to see how hard-core some of you are. Glenn Dysart DysarGB@XXXXXX dysart@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna > Yes, and no. > Where is here? > I've been off-road riding in *this area* for 26 years. > Used to ride in Springfield, on the property the mall was built on. > And in the > Contee gravel pits, off I95, near Laurel) Try that now. > Now, it seems, it is illegal to ride off-road everywhere, except your > own > property > (and then a problem if the area you live in has covenants restricting > such > activities, Yeah Right,come and get me!) > So, my search for *perfect world* found me a small piece of land along > side > the power lines I rode on so long ago. > > Ursulina, > get a dirt bike, bring it down here, and ride the same thousands of > acres I, > and my son do (illegally, of course), from our back yard. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 15 07:02:45 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA18013; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 07:02:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA05188; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 07:02:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp3.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA01263; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 07:02:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (spg-tnt19s198.erols.com [207.172.119.198]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA14502; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 07:07:12 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <34BDFA67.3939225E@geocities.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 07:00:39 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: kevin thomas CC: dc-cycles Subject: Re: shavings was downshifting References: <01bd2173$a0fc8020$0a4b440c@default> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit errr ummmm...Not just Bergie :( The situation on my 93 is not looking good...The dreaded Suzuki 2nd gear has finally caught up with me....Hard acceleration has bent its teeth....So... it looks like I'll be pulling the engine soon and stripping everything down so I can have a shop split the cases and replace the tranny or particular parts depending on what is found. As for downshifting putting more power to the ground...yes and no...one thing that's been overlooked, is that the direction of that power shifts 180 degrees to the opposite direction. Most bikes come from the factory designed with downshifting in mind: The cush drive is designed to absorb many of the lurchy forces both in acceleration and deceleration. In addition, many bikes have reverse torque limiters which help absorb some of that deceleration torque and keep the rear wheel from hopping. As for engine braking, there are a few things people have said that aren't quite right. First off, comparing a cage tranny is bad cause they are apples and oranges...Most cage trannies are designed to engine brake! In addition, there are a few bikes also designed to engine brake. Most people know what an Jake Brake is, right??? Well, some of the older thumpers (i.e. big bore dp bikes) have used em..I even read an article in one of the mags last year recommending a good aftermarket source for such a beast to a dp rider...The Honda XR still uses a similar beast for starting (compression release)....Serious trail riders often use this while going to aid in braking on grades....I'm going out on a limb here, but I believe some of the serious foreign GP 2 smokes have similar custom devices, but I may be wrong...I've slept since I read the article :) kevin thomas wrote: > Todd said: > > Anybody out there care to clear this up? Is there damage both ways? > Strain on trany on Accel, and engine braking Decel? > > > Todd-- > > Basically, yes. While we have to shift to accelerate, we don't have > to > shift to slow down, so the wear and strain of acceleration is > justified. > And the engine braking problem isn't the engine braking itself, but > the > downshifts, and especially the sloppy ones. In a car, you'd wear out > the > synchros, but motorcycles don't have them. I don't know exactly what > you > wear out instead. Gears want to get away from the other gears they > mesh > with. Under high horsepower, the shafts in the transmission want to > separate. Eventually, they'll split the case, if they don't shear > their > teeth off first. But Bergie's the only one here who's at risk of > that. > > See ya > Kevin > > He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing > it. -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 15 07:07:38 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA18061; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 07:07:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA05229; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 07:07:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp3.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA01356; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 07:07:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (spg-tnt19s198.erols.com [207.172.119.198]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA15237; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 07:12:08 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <34BDFB8F.DDA4C727@geocities.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 07:05:35 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" CC: RDWOODJR , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: riding illegally, what else is new? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I would ride in today, but skipping from 1st gear to 3rd gear isn't very fun anymore :( My new rear sprocket should be here today, but I don't think that's going to solve the problem... Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN wrote: > Speaking of riding illegally, does Fairfax county still have those big > (like 500 or 600 cc) DP bikes? I haven't seen them on the road in > years. They were white in color and had the Fairfax county logo on the > gas tank. > > p.s. Anyone ride in today? Just checking to see how hard-core some of > you are. > > Glenn Dysart > DysarGB@XXXXXX > dysart@XXXXXX > > 84 V30 Magna > > > Yes, and no. > > Where is here? > > I've been off-road riding in *this area* for 26 years. > > Used to ride in Springfield, on the property the mall was built on. > > And in the > > Contee gravel pits, off I95, near Laurel) Try that now. > > Now, it seems, it is illegal to ride off-road everywhere, except your > > own > > property > > (and then a problem if the area you live in has covenants restricting > > such > > activities, Yeah Right,come and get me!) > > So, my search for *perfect world* found me a small piece of land along > > side > > the power lines I rode on so long ago. > > > > Ursulina, > > get a dirt bike, bring it down here, and ride the same thousands of > > acres I, > > and my son do (illegally, of course), from our back yard. > > -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 15 07:26:44 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA18147; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 07:26:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA05370; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 07:26:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from zip1.ziplink.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA01515; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 07:26:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (holm@localhost) by zip1.ziplink.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id HAA15195 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 07:28:15 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 07:28:15 -0500 (EST) From: Julie and/or Mark Holm To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Wearing full leathers in hot summer In-Reply-To: <199801150000.TAA24926@tove.cs.umd.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I don't just wear jeans in hot weather; I wear chaps. While they don't protect everything, they protect a lot (and most of what is not protected is too well padded anyway.) and I consider them a food compromise between being too warm in full leather pants and being unprotected in jeans only. I have had only minor difficulty with warmth when in the chaps and leather jacket on even the hottest days (except when stopped at a red light, of course. ;-) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Julie Holm (ENTP)| DoD #1604 AMA#397939 UKMC# 0001 VOC# 4672 holm@XXXXXX | 1985 Virago 700 "Maureen" | I'm home at http://www.ziplink.net/~holm NGG Webmistress | Remember the PINK PAGES are always changing (Just and Armourer | like a Nasty Girlie's mind!) | NGG home page http://www.ziplink.net/~holm/ngg/ngg.html --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 15 07:26:44 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA18146; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 07:26:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA05366; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 07:26:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from portal.visa.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA01511; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 07:26:17 -0500 (EST) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA28964 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Thu, 15 Jan 1998 04:26:15 -0800 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Thu, 15 Jan 1998 04:26:15 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'dc-cycles'" Subject: RE: shavings was downshifting Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 04:27:40 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 23 TEXT Collin, compression releases only work on 2-strokes for braking (was hot shit back inna '70s). All they did was drop the compression enough so that ignition would not happen, and the engine turned into a power sink. A lot of the heads were drilled & tapped for a second spark plug (my CT-175 was), and the release valve screwed into this hole. Worked quite well - much softer than the brakes and more easily controlled in the dirt (the index finger being (usually) more dexterous than the right foot. Most of my thumpers have had compression releases for starting - Ducati Desmo singles are the exception - can't hold the exhaust valve open when the cam follower is pulling it closed. One of the lost arts of motorcycling is the Starting Drill - kick-start bikes tended to have unique requirements to get them started - usually fairly well standardized within a given model, but significantly different between models. A routine that would guarantee a quick start on one type of bike would guarantee a flooded engine on another - ahhh, the lost mystique... Michael (old enough to remember all of this crap) J. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 15 07:40:26 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA18252; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 07:40:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA05862; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 07:40:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from goliath.intelsol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA01671; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 07:40:09 -0500 (EST) From: sbeck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.06 (346.8 3-18-1997)) id 8525658D.004639ED ; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 07:47:03 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: Dysart@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <8525658D.0045FA8C.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 07:47:00 -0400 Subject: RE: riding illegally, what else is new? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII p.s. Anyone ride in today? Just checking to see how hard-core some of you are. I came in extra early today in order to miss all the mess. I just hope the predicted afternoon rain washes all the nasty crap away before I have to head home. Steve Beck From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 15 08:27:00 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA18609; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 08:26:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA06125; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 08:26:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA02391; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 08:26:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.02c) id AE648F01FC; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 08:25:56 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980115082636.00986440@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 08:26:36 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Wearing full leathers in hot summer In-Reply-To: References: <199801150000.TAA24926@tove.cs.umd.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 07:28 AM 1/15/98 -0500, Julie and/or Mark Holm wrote: >I don't just wear jeans in hot weather; I wear chaps. While they don't >protect everything, they protect a lot (and most of what is not protected >is too well padded anyway.) and I consider them a food compromise between ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >being too warm in full leather pants and being unprotected in jeans only. A food compromise? Are we going to talk about wearing balaclava vs. baklava again? getting hungry already, :-) Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 15 08:27:00 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA18608; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 08:26:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA06121; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 08:26:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA02387; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 08:26:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.02c) id AE618F01FC; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 08:25:53 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980115082440.009cb220@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 08:24:40 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Riding in Today (Thurs) [was: RE: riding illegally, what else is new? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 06:46 AM 1/15/98 -0500, Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN wrote: >p.s. Anyone ride in today? Just checking to see how hard-core some of >you are. Yup, I did. Though I did take the sidecar rig, due to the slippery conditions. It was sleet or corn snow in Falls Church when I left about 6:45. Fortunately the traffic was running slowly (hooray! cagers acting smart!). Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 15 08:26:59 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA18607; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 08:26:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA06117; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 08:26:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA02383; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 08:26:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.02c) id AE5E8F01FC; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 08:25:50 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980115081514.00964cd0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 08:15:14 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: MSF on the web Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Motorcycle Safety Foundation on the web- http://www.msf-usa.org/ Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 15 09:03:31 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA18946; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 09:03:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA06541; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 09:02:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA03130; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 09:02:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay2.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id JAA25958; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 09:02:55 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 09:02:12 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D37EC44@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Success! - Or Newbie Muscling Her Bike Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 09:00:19 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain I have had troubles muscling (I know that's not a word) my bike around, but last night I was able to put it in the back room of my house & hook the battery tender on it all alone! I guess I was anticipating worse weather than we got(?)... Anyway, I was very proud of myself. One of my roommates was shocked this morning when he didn't see my bike...I think he thought it was stolen. - Jeannette From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 15 09:13:51 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA19033; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 09:13:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA06718; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 09:13:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA03384; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 09:13:37 -0500 (EST) From: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX Received: by ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.1 (385.6 5-6-1997)) id 8525658D.004E035F ; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 09:12:06 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMSINC To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <8525658D.004DCC82.00@ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 09:12:32 -0500 Subject: Re: Wearing full leathers in hot summer Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; Boundary="0__=kEfitnJKufgvhfzBpXbKsdfq3m5KsUDmVRPNbkhTEgjDLbWMlaNoCDOd" --0__=kEfitnJKufgvhfzBpXbKsdfq3m5KsUDmVRPNbkhTEgjDLbWMlaNoCDOd Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii A friend of a friend was wearing chaps when the ditched on his bike...he shaved off is butt cheeks and now has a prosthetic ass. Makes you think about chaps, eh? Better than jeans, though. BTW, how much does an aerostitch suit cost, approx? Right now I wear cordura pants, and all this talk makes me wanna upgrade. Is the 'stitch a leather suit, or an armored cordura suit? Thanks, -Doug '81 GS 750L douglas_brashear@XXXXXX T-minus 15 days until I return to DC (Embedded image moved Julie and/or Mark Holm at to file: AMS-Internet PIC11791.PCX) 01/15/98 07:49 AM To: dc-cycles @ cs.umd.edu at AMS-Internet@CCMAIL cc: Douglas Brashear Subject: Wearing full leathers in hot summer I don't just wear jeans in hot weather; I wear chaps. While they don't protect everything, they protect a lot (and most of what is not protected is too well padded anyway.) and I consider them a food compromise between being too warm in full leather pants and being unprotected in jeans only. 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To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 09:29:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: (Fwd) Old Dude's Bike for Sale Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) Mark - Can you forward the particulars regarding the "Old Dude's" Triumph to Shane? I've already deleted your post or I'd do it myself. Thanks. Dave Lowenstein ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 08:22:57 -0500 From: "R. Shane Sonneveldt" To: dlowenst@XXXXXX Subject: Old Dude's Bike for Sale Hi Dave--- I got your e-mail forwarded to me from a freind, regarding the old guy in his 70's that you met in a parking lot. Do you have any particulars on the bike he has (had) for sale. Make, Model, Condition, Possible Price Range, etc. The Brit-Iron Home Page is very lovely, ---Shane former 1972 BMW 2002tii driver former 1990 FZR1000 rider current Metro Farecard user ==================================== David B. Lowenstein MasterMind Technologies, Inc. 1005 N. Glebe Road, Suite 605 Arlington, VA 22201-4751 USA (P) 703-276-9300 x569 (F) 703-276-9301 (E) dlowenst@XXXXXX (web) http://www.mastermind-tech.com ==================================== From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 15 09:32:29 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA19211; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 09:32:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA06818; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 09:32:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA03728; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 09:32:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.02c) id ADC5370152; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 09:31:33 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980115093110.009c8330@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 09:31:10 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Wearing full leathers in hot summer In-Reply-To: <8525658D.004DCC82.00@ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:12 AM 1/15/98 -0500, Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX wrote: >A friend of a friend was wearing chaps when the ditched on his bike...he >shaved off is butt cheeks and now has a prosthetic ass. Makes you think >about chaps, eh? Better than jeans, though. Yow. Does bring to mind all sorts of unsuitable questions, though ... can you get designer asses? Can you get ones built like your favorite movie stars? Do these come off the rack or are they all custom? Can you get ones with built-in pockets? ... sorry ... >BTW, how much does an aerostitch suit cost, approx? Right now I wear >cordura pants, and all this talk makes me wanna upgrade. Is the 'stitch a >leather suit, or an armored cordura suit? About $650. Armored cordura & gortex. http://www.aerostich.com Chris Norloff P.S. Please don't share this stuff with us-- >(See attached file: RFC822.TXT) > > > >begin 644 PIC11791.PCX >M"@4!"`````!H`"P````````````````````````````````````````````` >M```````````````````````````!:0`!```````````````````````````` >M``````````````````````````````````````````````````#U$]L3S1/' >M$\,3PA/U$]L3S1/'$\,3PA/U$]L3S1/'$\,3PA/U$]L3S1/'$\,3PA/U$]L3 >MS1/'$\,3PA/U$]L3S1/'$\,3PA/U$]L3S1/'$\,3PA/U$]L3S1/'$\,3PA/U >M$]L3S1/'$\,3PA/P$PS(!@S8$\P3QA/#$\(3[A/.!M<3S!/&$\,3$^P3P@;" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 15 09:40:01 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA19289; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 09:40:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA06906; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 09:39:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA03880; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 09:39:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id JAA27303; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 09:39:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid01.mcit.com [166.37.221.13]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id IAA16729; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 08:39:05 -0600 (CST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19980115143904.GLVR215@[166.41.242.141]>; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 08:39:05 -0600 Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 09:24 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: sbeck@XXXXXX CC: Dysart@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: riding illegally, what else is new? X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980115143904.GLVR215@[166.41.242.141]> Rode the sleet and snow bike today. Hey, the feds have a liberal leave and it were'nt that bad a commute. If I had a little 250 to thrash I would've ridden. I'm just not interested in lifting a 670lb monster if I don't have to. =:-0 Todd From: sbeck@XXXXXX To: Dysart@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <8525658D.0045FA8C.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 07:47:00 -0400 Subject: RE: riding illegally, what else is new? p.s. Anyone ride in today? Just checking to see how hard-core some of you are. I came in extra early today in order to miss all the mess. I just hope the predicted afternoon rain washes all the nasty crap away before I have to head home. Steve Beck From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 15 09:54:22 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA19449; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 09:54:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA07041; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 09:54:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA04225; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 09:54:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id JAA03097 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 09:53:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid01.mcit.com [166.37.221.13]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id IAA22639 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 08:53:29 -0600 (CST) Received: from LJTanner.mcit.com ([166.41.110.15]) by imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19980115145328.GNPO215@XXXXXX> for ; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 08:53:28 -0600 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 07:53:18 -0500 Message-ID: <01BD218A.A4630C40.linda.tanner@mci.com> From: Linda Tanner To: "Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: FW: riding illegally, what else is new? Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 07:53:16 -0500 Organization: MCI Telecommunications X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm "working from home" today. The joys of telecommuting. But if I had to go in... LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze -----Original Message----- From: Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN [SMTP:Dysart@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, January 15, 1998 6:47 AM To: RDWOODJR; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: riding illegally, what else is new? Speaking of riding illegally, does Fairfax county still have those big (like 500 or 600 cc) DP bikes? I haven't seen them on the road in years. They were white in color and had the Fairfax county logo on the gas tank. p.s. Anyone ride in today? Just checking to see how hard-core some of you are. Glenn Dysart DysarGB@XXXXXX dysart@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna > Yes, and no. > Where is here? > I've been off-road riding in *this area* for 26 years. > Used to ride in Springfield, on the property the mall was built on. > And in the > Contee gravel pits, off I95, near Laurel) Try that now. > Now, it seems, it is illegal to ride off-road everywhere, except your > own > property > (and then a problem if the area you live in has covenants restricting > such > activities, Yeah Right,come and get me!) > So, my search for *perfect world* found me a small piece of land along > side > the power lines I rode on so long ago. > > Ursulina, > get a dirt bike, bring it down here, and ride the same thousands of > acres I, > and my son do (illegally, of course), from our back yard. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 15 09:56:47 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA19480; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 09:56:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA07089; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 09:56:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA04279; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 09:56:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id JAA04187 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 09:56:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (nmta2.mcit.com [166.37.172.3]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id IAA11617 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 08:56:01 -0600 (CST) Received: from mci.com ([166.32.114.127]) by nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with ESMTP id <19980115145601.RPUX6587@XXXXXX> for ; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 09:56:01 -0500 Message-ID: <34BE2378.882C936C@mci.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 09:55:52 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Reply-To: Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: riding illegally, what else is new? References: <19980115143904.GLVR215@[166.41.242.141]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Todd Peer wrote: > Rode the sleet and snow bike today. Hey, the feds have a liberal leave > and it were'nt that bad a commute. Me too. Drove the snow bike (Honda Civic). I'm not hard core enough to want to ride around in slush yet. Got annoyed at the windshield wipers, my gloved finger works better on a helmet visor than those things. :-) Come to think of it, it was an easy commute for me this morning, too. Dale (the Horkster) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 15 10:08:52 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA19654; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 10:08:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07218; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 10:08:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA04547; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 10:08:23 -0500 (EST) From: MotorLE Message-ID: Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 10:07:05 EST To: ghowell@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: Was(Re[2]: Newbie in the rain ) .. now??? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Goerge Howell wrote: >Without getting a suit (Aerostich) and sending it back for alterations, how do >you know which custom mods you need on one? The Aerostich catalog has a pretty decent fit chart. If your dimensions aren't close to one of the many combinations shown there, call them. They can help you figure it out. COlleen From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 15 10:08:52 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA19652; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 10:08:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07222; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 10:08:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA04551; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 10:08:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay2.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id KAA15851; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 10:08:28 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 10:07:45 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D37EC4D@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: riding illegally, what else is new? Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 10:05:51 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain I took the Nissan Stanza storm-vehicle myself this morning and there was hardly any traffic!! : ) I did ride last night around 10:30, though, breath coming out of my helmet noticeably while cagers looked on in amazement/wonder/awe/horror/amused condescension... - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Dale Horstman [SMTP:Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, January 15, 1998 9:56 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: riding illegally, what else is new? > > Todd Peer wrote: > > > Rode the sleet and snow bike today. Hey, the feds have a liberal > leave > > and it were'nt that bad a commute. > > Me too. Drove the snow bike (Honda Civic). I'm not hard core enough > to want to ride around in slush yet. Got annoyed at the > windshield wipers, my gloved finger works better on a helmet visor > than those things. :-) > > Come to think of it, it was an easy commute for me this morning, too. > > Dale (the Horkster) > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 15 10:08:53 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA19658; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 10:08:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07226; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 10:08:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA04561; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 10:08:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from default ([12.68.77.169]) by mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA21797; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 15:08:08 +0000 Reply-To: "kevin thomas" From: "kevin thomas" To: Cc: "dc-cycles" Subject: Re: Wearing full leathers in hot summer Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 10:04:51 -0500 Message-ID: <01bd21c6$ee7aac20$a94d440c@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Content-Type: text/plain; boundary="0__=kEfitnJKufgvhfzBpXbKsdfq3m5KsUDmVRPNbkhTEgjDLbWMlaNoCDOd"; charset="iso-8859-1" Doug-- I think the base price is $670, but you'll probably add a couple hundred for options. Leon is paying $1200!! Cordura isn't as good as leather, they say, but I've seen some armored Aerostiches after a wreck and was impressed. I dunno how aerostich does the measurements, but Vanson sends a funny tape measure, instructions, and a form to fill out. _Lots_ of measurements to make! They'll do whatever alterations you need, at a price. I'm just having my Vanson made a little longer in the jacket. (when I win the lottery, or get a job) That costs $40. And I'll be adding a few hundred in options too. The Vanson rep measured me at Battley's open house. Maybe Aerostich does that too. Later Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 15 10:14:12 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA19701; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 10:14:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07297; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 10:13:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from gwsmtp.nlm.nih.gov by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA04685; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 10:13:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from NLM-Message_Server by gwsmtp.nlm.nih.gov with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 10:13:39 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 10:13:24 -0500 From: Sandy Triolo To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: stable of bikes If you are a true shopper and look at the outlying areas newspapers and auto-trader type stuff, are willing to drive the distance and then bargin you can get deals. All of that is a lot of work, my very good friend does it for a living. I have seen amazing deals but you have to have the cash at the ready. There are lots of junkers, but occasionally you get a gem. Most people are not able to devote enough time to really fine the bargins. I have been lucky to be able to get bikes through my friend. Most of my purchases have been for $1.00 per cc. Not all but some. Let me know what you want! Also right now there are two older Ninja 600's in need of some assistance available. sandy 87 Hurricane 600F 85 Virago 1000 >>> Dale Horstman 01/14 9:51 AM >>> >From what I've seen, older Sportbikes and Dirtbikes are usually way overpriced, err, uhmm, hold their value for a long time. I haven't seen much that qualifies as reasonable (generally $1k or less). I could buy lots of bikes for $1 per cc or less, if I was patient enough and looked hard enough. These are generally cruiser or standard type motorcycles, though. Also interested in anyone else's input here. Dale (the Horkster) George Howell wrote: > > Good lord Leon - you've never spent more than $500 on any one > > motorcycle? Heck, even my best buy didn't get below $700 - though i > > did buy my truck for $100 (52 Check pick-um-up truck)... > > Actually, I was wondering what sport bikes (full faired, preferably, > although cool stuff like Hawks can pass) and DPs can be had in the Leon > price range. I want a complete stable, but on a major budget. > > ``` > (o o) > *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* > |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| > |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| > *--------------------------oooO------------* > |__||__| > || || > ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 15 10:14:57 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA19711; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 10:14:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07348; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 10:14:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA04702; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 10:14:45 -0500 (EST) From: Jinn Sinn Message-ID: <8a9fbe43.34be25c4@aol.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 10:05:36 EST To: Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: today's commute Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) I rode the snowmobile .... (metro) ....and am currently the ONLY ONE in my office!!! more fool me! argh! marcy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 15 10:16:48 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA19742; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 10:16:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07399; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 10:16:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA04757; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 10:16:37 -0500 (EST) From: Jinn Sinn Message-ID: <2915b009.34be24f6@aol.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 10:02:12 EST To: cnorloff@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: Wearing full leathers in hot summer Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) In a message dated 1/15/98 9:37:15 AM, cnorloff@XXXXXX wrote: <> heh heh and other unsuitable questions like "how in the world does he .....?" does he have to take it off for *&$#ing?" (sorry sorry sorry) LOL marcy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 15 10:22:35 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA19822; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 10:22:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07511; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 10:22:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from welchlink.welch.jhu.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA04929; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 10:22:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from firewall_out.adventisthealthcare.com ([209.49.109.130]) by welchlink.welch.jhu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA25589 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 10:19:48 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980115102316.006a0ce4@pop.mindspring.com> Received: from [172.16.4.56] by firewall_out.adventisthealthcare.com via smtpd (for ftp.welch.jhu.EDU [128.220.59.78]) with SMTP; 15 Jan 1998 15:22:15 UT X-Sender: hggmd@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 10:23:16 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." Subject: BMW Police Bikes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sorry to those who couldn't ride yesterday. It was fantastic. By about 7 p.m. it was getting pretty nippy, though. The only addition I made to my riding gear was a silk balaklava, which made a surprisingly difference. Interestingly, I had a conversation with one of the State Police motorcycle troopers. He was riding a huge Harley, but they are hoping to get Maryland to purchase BMW's R1100RT-P. California just bought a bunch of them (way to go Ponch and Jon!), as did some of the northwestern states. Bob's BMW has one in the showroom, and it's very cool. They are planning on lending it to the troopers for an evaluation. It will be at the Baltimore bike show. You can also see them in almost every picture of Princess Diana's funeral procession. Harry Bethesda, MD '97 BMW R1100RT http://www.greenspun.com/harry/bikes.htm "The more you live, the less you die." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 15 10:29:56 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA19888; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 10:29:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07598; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 10:29:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA05084; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 10:29:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay2.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id KAA22775; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 10:29:41 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 10:28:56 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D37EC4E@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Jinn Sinn'" , cnorloff@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Re: Wearing full leathers in hot summer Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 10:27:03 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Ok, ok, calm down now, young woman! I wear full leathers in the summer after hearing a particularly gruesome story from a guy whose friend's arm got almost ripped off in a crash. He was very graphic & basically said "better the leather than your skin." Just like driver's ed class, that has stuck in my head - firmly. I personally HATE hot weather, though (maybe comes from being a fair-skinned redheaded lass) & do NOT look forward to wearing my leathers in the summer. I did it last summer, but of course didn't wear much under the leather so as not to make it hotter...a friend of mine suggested that I unzip the overpants to let some air in so I wouldn't sweat so much, but not only was that semi-obscene, I don't think it offered much protection!! - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Jinn Sinn [SMTP:JinnSinn@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, January 15, 1998 10:02 AM > To: cnorloff@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Re: Wearing full leathers in hot summer > > > In a message dated 1/15/98 9:37:15 AM, cnorloff@XXXXXX wrote: > > < ... >> > > heh heh and other unsuitable questions like "how in the world does he > .....?" > does he have to take it off for *&$#ing?" (sorry sorry sorry) LOL > > marcy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 15 10:35:07 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA19973; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 10:35:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07708; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 10:34:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA05221; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 10:34:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id JAA05106; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 09:34:17 -0600 (CST) Received: from imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid02.mcit.com [166.37.221.14]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id JAA11409; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 09:34:16 -0600 (CST) Received: from mci.com ([166.32.114.127]) by imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with ESMTP id <19980115153416.FJVY28757@XXXXXX>; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 09:34:16 -0600 Message-ID: <34BE2C6F.D0CC0403@mci.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 10:34:07 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Reply-To: Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Wearing full leathers in hot summer References: <8525658D.004DCC82.00@ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gives new meaning to the term "I rode my ass off" = : - o I'm actually considering chaps as the next investment in safety gear. This friend of a friend story notwithstanding. :-) Gotta be better than the Dockers slacks I wear now. Dale (the Horkster) Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX wrote: > A friend of a friend was wearing chaps when the ditched on his bike...he > shaved off is butt cheeks and now has a prosthetic ass. Makes you think > about chaps, eh? Better than jeans, though. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 15 10:37:58 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA20003; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 10:37:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07742; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 10:37:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA05276; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 10:37:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay2.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id KAA26196; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 10:37:44 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 10:37:00 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D37EC51@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Jinn Sinn'" , cnorloff@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Unzipping Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 10:35:05 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain OOps, I meant the side zippers... - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: O'Brien, Jeannette [SMTP:jlobrien@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, January 15, 1998 10:27 AM > To: 'Jinn Sinn'; cnorloff@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Re: Wearing full leathers in hot summer > > Ok, ok, calm down now, young woman! > > I wear full leathers in the summer after hearing a particularly > gruesome > story from a guy whose friend's arm got almost ripped off in a crash. > He was very graphic & basically said "better the leather than your > skin." Just like driver's ed class, that has stuck in my head - > firmly. > I personally HATE hot weather, though (maybe comes from being a > fair-skinned redheaded lass) & do NOT look forward to wearing my > leathers in the summer. I did it last summer, but of course didn't > wear > much under the leather so as not to make it hotter...a friend of mine > suggested that I unzip the overpants to let some air in so I wouldn't > sweat so much, but not only was that semi-obscene, I don't think it > offered much protection!! > > - Jeannette > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jinn Sinn [SMTP:JinnSinn@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Thursday, January 15, 1998 10:02 AM > > To: cnorloff@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Re: Re: Wearing full leathers in hot summer > > > > > > In a message dated 1/15/98 9:37:15 AM, cnorloff@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > < > ... >> > > > > heh heh and other unsuitable questions like "how in the world does > he > > .....?" > > does he have to take it off for *&$#ing?" (sorry sorry sorry) LOL > > > > marcy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 15 10:38:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA20018; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 10:38:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07757; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 10:38:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA05287; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 10:38:24 -0500 (EST) From: bmccoy@XXXXXX Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id KAA23286 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 10:38:22 -0500 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma023254; Thu, 15 Jan 98 10:38:14 -0500 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id KAA26053 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 10:38:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.10.00) id AA884878515; Thu, 15 Jan 98 10:35:17 -0500 Message-Id: <9801158848.AA884878515@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.10.00 Date: Thu, 15 Jan 98 08:13:33 -0500 To: Subject: Re[2]: riding illegally, what else is new? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: "cc:Mail Note Part" "Not I' said the man with limited brakes... When I heard all the school closings on the radio (before looking out the window), I assumed there was 4' of snow and I dressed to drive and got into that mentality too... Walking outside into freezing rain, I almost went back for my gear - but I needed to bring some books to work, and just decided today was as good as any other... Brian ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ p.s. Anyone ride in today? Just checking to see how hard-core some of you are. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 15 10:50:16 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA20204; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 10:50:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07945; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 10:49:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from goliath.intelsol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA05646; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 10:49:46 -0500 (EST) From: sbeck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.06 (346.8 3-18-1997)) id 8525658D.005795FD ; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 10:56:40 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <8525658D.00574BAF.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 10:56:33 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII <> heh heh and other unsuitable questions like "how in the world does he .....?" does he have to take it off for *&$#ing?" (sorry sorry sorry) LOL marcy ______________________________________________________________ Don't be sorry because I'm ROTFLOL Steve Beck From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 15 10:59:38 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA20332; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 10:59:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08011; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 10:59:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay3.UU.NET by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA05858; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 10:59:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from xgate.usia.gov by relay3.UU.NET with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: XGATE.USIA.GOV [198.67.64.2]) id QQdylj29442; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 10:58:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from Connect2 Message Router by xgate.usia.gov via Connect2-SMTP 4.31.02; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 10:54:12 -0500 Message-ID: <5742BE3401BD1160@xgate.usia.gov> In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 10:57:49 -0500 From: "Adams, Bill" Sender: "Adams, Bill" Organization: USIA To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: British germanization... Importance: High X-SMF-Hop-Count: 2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Connect2-SMTP 4.31.02 MHS/SMF to SMTP Gateway EEEsh! The thought of Brit cops riding german bikes! But this is happening to the automotive industry in general in GB. BMW now owns Land Rover (swoon), Ford owns Jag. James Bond drives a wussy german POS sports car, and lately a totally butt-ugly german cruiser (as IF they knew ANYTHING about what cool is) that features the world's largest tank pod (must be to draw attention away from the outlandish TeleLever), weeny ape hangers and a pillion that must have been scrounged from Spandau prison. A chromed boxer? Puhleez! What next? Rolls Royce accepting a GM bid? (rant off) How's your day? Bill Adams 3D Artist/Animator '66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon, '81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard: "Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 15 11:01:08 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA20366; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 11:01:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA08058; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 11:00:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA05901; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 11:00:52 -0500 (EST) From: RDWOODJR Message-ID: <2d126355.34be3262@aol.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 10:59:27 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: riding illegally, what else is new? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) << Speaking of riding illegally, does Fairfax county still have those big (like 500 or 600 cc) DP bikes? I haven't seen them on the road in years. They were white in color and had the Fairfax county logo on the gas tank. >> According to my motocross racing confidants at Coleman, they haven't seen them in a while either. That reminds me of the time I mistakenly rode my CanAm tnt175 into Cedarville State Forest from a powerline trail and was chased by a mounted park ranger. I didn't know horses could run so fast. We got back out on the adjacent powerlines at full gallop when he tried to knock me off the bike at 35mph down a straightaway. The CanAm wasn't having any of that, so we found out 25hp can go faster that 1 horsepower. :-] Richard Wood From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 15 11:41:33 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA20970; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 11:41:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA09067; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 11:40:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07000; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 11:40:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id LAA20328; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 11:40:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid01.mcit.com [166.37.221.13]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id LAA20687; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 11:40:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19980115164021.HBDG215@[166.41.242.141]>; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 10:40:21 -0600 Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 11:29 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: BMW Police Bikes X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="GUUJCU_MailRoom_aAa0zzyzx" Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Message-Id: <19980115164021.HBDG215@[166.41.242.141]> --GUUJCU_MailRoom_aAa0zzyzx Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Harry Greenspun wrote: > Sorry to those who couldn't ride yesterday. It was fantastic. By about >7 p.m. it was getting pretty nippy, though. The only addition I made to my >riding gear was a silk balaklava, which made a surprisingly difference. I'm jealous. What a contrast in wx between yesterday and today. > Interestingly, I had a conversation with one of the State Police >motorcycle troopers. He was riding a huge Harley, but they are hoping to >get Maryland to purchase BMW's R1100RT-P. California just bought a bunch of >them (way to go Ponch and Jon!), as did some of the northwestern states. > Bob's BMW has one in the showroom, and it's very cool. They are planning >on lending it to the troopers for an evaluation. It will be at the >Baltimore bike show. You can also see them in almost every picture of >Princess Diana's funeral procession. Hmmm. I could swear those were ST1100's leading that procession. Check out how the Swiss handle Alpine Rescue, and how to get around in Paris/UK (attached). Eventually, US authorities will get around to riding ST's as a matter of evolution.....Harley, BMW,..---> Honda! 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117 234) with SMTP id <19980115170737.THKK6587@[166.41.242.141]>; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 12:07:37 -0500 Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 11:57 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" CC: "'Jinn Sinn'" , cnorloff@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Re: Wearing full leathers in hot summer X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980115170737.THKK6587@[166.41.242.141]> Jeannette O'Brien wrote: >Ok, ok, calm down now, young woman! > >I wear full leathers in the summer after hearing a particularly gruesome >story from a guy whose friend's arm got almost ripped off in a crash. >He was very graphic & basically said "better the leather than your >skin." Just like driver's ed class, that has stuck in my head - firmly. >I personally HATE hot weather, though (maybe comes from being a >fair-skinned redheaded lass) & do NOT look forward to wearing my >leathers in the summer. I did it last summer, but of course didn't wear >much under the leather so as not to make it hotter...a friend of mine >suggested that I unzip the overpants to let some air in so I wouldn't >sweat so much, but not only was that semi-obscene, I don't think it >offered much protection!! My knee jerk reaction to this post was to relate a story of an old friends foibles. But then I got down to the bottom of the post and began to get dizzy. :-o Well here goes. My friend had moved into a household where everyone had a bike. He got interested and bought one too. One day we were talking about riding and he told me how he liked to ride in MD (Ocean City) w/o his helmet because he wanted the girls that saw him to know what he looked like. Oh, boy! Anyway, I warned him it wasn't a good idea and that he should start dressing for a crash. Anywho, I walked into another friends apartment one day and there he was with just over 40% of his skin really rashed up. My immediate reaction was to laugh, for either the reason he didn't listen to my warning or I'm just an insensitive f**k. Probably the latter. It happened one evening while he was riding home down the GW Pkwy. He turned his head to look at a bud, and promptly hit the curb. Thrown to the tarmac dressed for squidliness to the T: tee-shirt, shorts, tennis shoes!!! But, seeing he was in VA, he had his helmet on! Now he thinks _motorcycles_ are dangerous. Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 15 12:32:12 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA21854; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 12:32:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA11083; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 12:30:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA08409; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 12:30:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.02c) id A79420286; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 12:29:56 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980115120919.009b4840@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 12:09:19 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: today's commute In-Reply-To: <8a9fbe43.34be25c4@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:05 AM 1/15/98 EST, Jinn Sinn wrote: >I rode the snowmobile .... (metro) ....and am currently the ONLY ONE in my >office!!! more fool me! argh! Oh, nonsense. You're just the most dedicated one there, the one who wanted to keep everything functioning. At least, that's what you ought to remind your boss in the month before your performance appraisal! :-) Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 15 12:43:44 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA22115; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 12:43:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA11413; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 12:43:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from enterprise.reliacom.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA08919; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 12:43:30 -0500 (EST) Received: by enterprise.reliacom.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 12:42:40 -0500 Message-ID: <61390AC07B6BD111AC6F006008A59110066F@enterprise.reliacom.com> From: Scot Kight To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Leathers / Leather Alternative Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 12:42:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain I wont go into the gruesome things that everyone else has allready gone into :> But.. Leathers suck in the summer, there is no way to get around it, there is hope though. Get an aerostitch one or 2 peice suit, I have one and dammit, I wont ride without it anymore :> I love it, its the best purchase I have made for my bike besides maybe earplugs. I can ride in 95 degree weather, or 35 degree weather. Using a balaclava and some nice gloves, cold is NOT a problem at all, and then in the warm, just open up all the zippers and everything cools down very nicely. Also, if it is over 100 degrees, and you arent going all that fast (traffic) you can do the wet t-shirt thing under your suit and it will keep you nice and cool. I paid about 700 for my 2peice suit, and dammit it was worth EVERY penny. I would recommend it to anyone who ever wants to get on a bike at all. Oh, and the comment I make to my friends is this " Which would you rather have? 700 dollars for a suit? or skin grafts?" Then about the aerostitch "Which would you rather have, a nice leather suit sitting in your closet as you wreck in the heat? or a 700 dollar suit that you will wear as you slide down the street?" Scot 95 900ss/cr From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 15 12:46:32 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA22163; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 12:46:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA11460; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 12:46:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from red.uspis.gov by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA09004; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 12:46:22 -0500 (EST) Received: by red.uspis.gov; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA01370; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 12:51:34 -0500 Message-Id: From: "Clements, Curtis A" To: "'O'Brien, Jeannette'" , "'Todd Peer'" Cc: "'Jinn Sinn'" , "'cnorloff@XXXXXX'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Re: Wearing full leathers in hot summer Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 12:47:18 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.838.14 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Isn't it funny, one person buy a motorcycle, thinks it will do 300MPH on the beltway, he crashes, dies, now motorcycles are dangerous for anybody to ride. Am I missing something, notice that when somebody tell's you a horror story, they always leave out the part of what the rider was really doing? Or how stupid it was? Lost and confused. >---------- >From: Todd Peer[SMTP:Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX] >Sent: Thursday, January 15, 1998 11:57 AM >To: O'Brien, Jeannette >Cc: 'Jinn Sinn'; cnorloff@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: RE: Re: Wearing full leathers in hot summer > >Jeannette O'Brien wrote: >>Ok, ok, calm down now, young woman! >> >>I wear full leathers in the summer after hearing a particularly gruesome >>story from a guy whose friend's arm got almost ripped off in a crash. >>He was very graphic & basically said "better the leather than your >>skin." Just like driver's ed class, that has stuck in my head - firmly. >>I personally HATE hot weather, though (maybe comes from being a >>fair-skinned redheaded lass) & do NOT look forward to wearing my >>leathers in the summer. I did it last summer, but of course didn't wear >>much under the leather so as not to make it hotter...a friend of mine >>suggested that I unzip the overpants to let some air in so I wouldn't >>sweat so much, but not only was that semi-obscene, I don't think it >>offered much protection!! > >My knee jerk reaction to this post was to relate a story of an old >friends foibles. But then I got down to the bottom of the post and >began to get dizzy. :-o > >Well here goes. My friend had moved into a household where everyone >had a bike. He got interested and bought one too. One day we were >talking about riding and he told me how he liked to ride in MD (Ocean >City) w/o his helmet because he wanted the girls that saw him to know >what he looked like. Oh, boy! Anyway, I warned him it wasn't a good >idea and that he should start dressing for a crash. > >Anywho, I walked into another friends apartment one day and there he >was with just over 40% of his skin really rashed up. My immediate >reaction was to laugh, for either the reason he didn't listen to my >warning or I'm just an insensitive f**k. Probably the latter. >It happened one evening while he was riding home down the GW Pkwy. >He turned his head to look at a bud, and promptly hit the curb. >Thrown to the tarmac dressed for squidliness to the T: tee-shirt, >shorts, tennis shoes!!! But, seeing he was in VA, he had his >helmet on! > >Now he thinks _motorcycles_ are dangerous. > >Todd > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 15 12:56:38 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA22440; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 12:56:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA11651; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 12:56:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from draco.eisi.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA09515; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 12:56:19 -0500 (EST) Received: by draco.eisi.com; id MAA03202; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 12:56:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from unknown(10.3.1.4) by draco.eisi.com via smap (3.2) id xma003178; Thu, 15 Jan 98 12:56:10 -0500 Received: by HRNEXCH1 with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 12:56:14 -0500 Message-ID: <7F151D3C3920D111859A080009D80639884AC0@HRNEXCH1> From: "Whiteside, John" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Re: Wearing full leathers in hot summer Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 12:56:13 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Well, I stubbed my toe on a chair the other day, so I took all the chairs out of my house. now I feel really safe. John Whiteside Marketing Specialist EIS Marketing Dept. Phone: (703) 736-8386 * Fax (703) 787-6720 jwhiteside@XXXXXX http://www.eisi.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Clements, Curtis A [SMTP:CAClements@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, January 15, 1998 12:47 PM > To: 'O'Brien, Jeannette'; 'Todd Peer' > Cc: 'Jinn Sinn'; 'cnorloff@XXXXXX'; 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > Subject: RE: Re: Wearing full leathers in hot summer > > Isn't it funny, one person buy a motorcycle, thinks it will do 300MPH > on > the beltway, he crashes, dies, now motorcycles are dangerous for > anybody > to ride. > Am I missing something, notice that when somebody tell's you a horror > story, they always leave out the part of what the rider was really > doing? > Or how stupid it was? > Lost and confused. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 15 13:07:40 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA22613; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 13:07:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA11851; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 13:07:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from PASHA.COM by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA09826; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 13:07:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from PASHA-Message_Server by PASHA.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 13:01:14 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 13:06:56 -0500 From: Sean Sullivan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: riding illegally Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Re: riding illegally I rode today, had to practice my figure eights. :) Sean ps. I'm not hard core. I have a commute under two miles. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> p.s. Anyone ride in today? Just checking to see how hard-core some of you are. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 15 13:10:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA22651; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 13:10:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA11904; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 13:10:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from red.uspis.gov by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA09921; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 13:10:30 -0500 (EST) Received: by red.uspis.gov; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA01614; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 13:15:42 -0500 Message-Id: From: "Clements, Curtis A" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" , "'Whiteside, John'" Subject: RE: Re: Wearing full leathers in hot summer Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 13:11:27 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.838.14 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Good job! That is what the world want's you to do! >---------- >From: Whiteside, John[SMTP:jwhiteside@XXXXXX] >Sent: Thursday, January 15, 1998 12:56 PM >To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' >Subject: RE: Re: Wearing full leathers in hot summer > >Well, I stubbed my toe on a chair the other day, so I took all the >chairs out of my house. now I feel really safe. > >John Whiteside >Marketing Specialist >EIS Marketing Dept. >Phone: (703) 736-8386 * Fax (703) 787-6720 >jwhiteside@XXXXXX >http://www.eisi.com > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Clements, Curtis A [SMTP:CAClements@XXXXXX] >> Sent: Thursday, January 15, 1998 12:47 PM >> To: 'O'Brien, Jeannette'; 'Todd Peer' >> Cc: 'Jinn Sinn'; 'cnorloff@XXXXXX'; 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' >> Subject: RE: Re: Wearing full leathers in hot summer >> >> Isn't it funny, one person buy a motorcycle, thinks it will do 300MPH >> on >> the beltway, he crashes, dies, now motorcycles are dangerous for >> anybody >> to ride. >> Am I missing something, notice that when somebody tell's you a horror >> story, they always leave out the part of what the rider was really >> doing? >> Or how stupid it was? >> Lost and confused. >> > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 15 13:12:59 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA22721; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 13:12:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA11991; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 13:12:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from draco.eisi.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA09984; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 13:12:45 -0500 (EST) Received: by draco.eisi.com; id NAA04617; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 13:12:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from unknown(10.3.1.4) by draco.eisi.com via smap (3.2) id xma004590; Thu, 15 Jan 98 13:12:17 -0500 Received: by HRNEXCH1 with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 13:12:21 -0500 Message-ID: <7F151D3C3920D111859A080009D80639884AC2@HRNEXCH1> From: "Whiteside, John" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Re: Wearing full leathers in hot summer Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 13:12:19 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Of course, as they point out at the MSF class, motorcycles ARE dangerous. The question is are you willing to accept the danger, and to take steps to minimize it. John Whiteside Marketing Specialist EIS Marketing Dept. Phone: (703) 736-8386 * Fax (703) 787-6720 jwhiteside@XXXXXX http://www.eisi.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Clements, Curtis A [SMTP:CAClements@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, January 15, 1998 1:11 PM > To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'; 'Whiteside, John' > Subject: RE: Re: Wearing full leathers in hot summer > > Good job! That is what the world want's you to do! > > >---------- > >From: Whiteside, John[SMTP:jwhiteside@XXXXXX] > >Sent: Thursday, January 15, 1998 12:56 PM > >To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > >Subject: RE: Re: Wearing full leathers in hot summer > > > >Well, I stubbed my toe on a chair the other day, so I took all the > >chairs out of my house. now I feel really safe. > > > >John Whiteside > >Marketing Specialist > >EIS Marketing Dept. > >Phone: (703) 736-8386 * Fax (703) 787-6720 > >jwhiteside@XXXXXX > >http://www.eisi.com > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Clements, Curtis A [SMTP:CAClements@XXXXXX] > >> Sent: Thursday, January 15, 1998 12:47 PM > >> To: 'O'Brien, Jeannette'; 'Todd Peer' > >> Cc: 'Jinn Sinn'; 'cnorloff@XXXXXX'; > 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > >> Subject: RE: Re: Wearing full leathers in hot summer > >> > >> Isn't it funny, one person buy a motorcycle, thinks it will do > 300MPH > >> on > >> the beltway, he crashes, dies, now motorcycles are dangerous for > >> anybody > >> to ride. > >> Am I missing something, notice that when somebody tell's you a > horror > >> story, they always leave out the part of what the rider was really > >> doing? > >> Or how stupid it was? > >> Lost and confused. > >> > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 15 13:24:28 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA23052; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 13:24:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA12982; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 13:24:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA10357; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 13:24:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from default ([12.68.77.227]) by mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA276; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 16:58:15 +0000 Reply-To: "kevin thomas" From: "kevin thomas" To: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." Cc: "dc-cycles" Subject: Re: BMW Police Bikes Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 11:54:55 -0500 Message-ID: <01bd21d6$4ec9ae00$e34d440c@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 I knew a MC cop in Durham NC when I lived there. He rode 80000 miles per year, btw, only about half of it on the job!!! I saw him riding a K75-P one day and was quite surprised. He said they hadn't gone over well and would not be adopted. He was a HD guy anyway. He bought his police bike when they retired it. Had 6 or 8 bikes, replaced the main one every 6 months or so. Varied tastes, too. Traded an FZR1000 for an Electra Glide. Anyway, I'd expect the R1100-P will be more successful. later Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 15 13:24:28 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA23051; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 13:24:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA12984; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 13:24:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA10362; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 13:24:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from default ([12.68.77.227]) by mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA16449; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 17:23:21 +0000 Reply-To: "kevin thomas" From: "kevin thomas" To: "Todd Peer" , "O'Brien, Jeannette" Cc: Subject: becoming less re:Wearing full leathers..... Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 12:20:03 -0500 Message-ID: <01bd21d9$d1940300$e34d440c@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Here's a short story. Sorry if I've told it before. My sister's coworker's husband rode in squid attire: shorts, t-shirt, docksiders. He also apparently didn't believe in underwear. He fell off one day and ended up _butt_naked_ in the road!!! I swear it's true! Later Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 15 13:24:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA23064; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 13:24:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA12981; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 13:24:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA10360; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 13:24:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from default ([12.68.77.227]) by mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA5894; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 17:07:05 +0000 Reply-To: "kevin thomas" From: "kevin thomas" To: Cc: Subject: Re: Wearing full leathers in hot summer Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 12:03:45 -0500 Message-ID: <01bd21d7$8aefd2a0$e34d440c@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 dale said: I'm actually considering chaps as the next investment in safety gear. This friend of a friend story notwithstanding. :-) Gotta be better than the Dockers slacks I wear now. Dale-- No skin off my ass...... That's really laying your ass on the line....... Really half-assed...... I dunno, Dale. I think pants like Jeannette's are convenient to wear over your regular pants. Mine aren't, but I wear regular shorts underneath, so I can take them off. I don't wear mine as often as I should, but I'd think if I was going to tolerate the inconvenience and heat of leather chaps, I wouldn't object to proper pants, and I'd sure be better off in a wreck. The biggest inconvenience for me, btw, is carrying them around all day at school. Cubicle occupants at least have a desk to stick them under....... later Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 15 13:33:17 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA23298; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 13:33:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA13742; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 13:33:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA10691; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 13:33:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.02c) id A634AE0138; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 13:32:20 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980115133305.009b47a0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 13:33:05 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Re: Wearing full leathers in hot summer In-Reply-To: <19980115170737.THKK6587@[166.41.242.141]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" This is really terrible, but I've thought of more ideas for the friend with the prosthetic derriere. I hope he has a sense of humor about it now, despite what must have been a terrifying and painful ordeal. So anyway, Does he ever tell anyone to kiss his ass, and then hold it up? Does he ever work his ass off? Does he ever win bets in bars by telling people he can kiss his own ass? Does he ever leave it at home and tell people his wife chewed his ass off? Does he ever tell people he's kicking ass and taking names? Does he ever offer to put something where the sun don't shine? Does he ever offer to give his wife a piece of ass? Does he ever tell people he knows how a one-legged man could win an ass-kicking contest? I'm so ashamed, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 15 13:38:54 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA23414; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 13:38:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA14080; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 13:38:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA10874; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 13:38:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.02c) id A7876C00BA; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 13:37:59 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980115133853.00a24d80@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 13:38:53 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Re: Wearing full leathers in hot summer In-Reply-To: <19980115170737.THKK6587@[166.41.242.141]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Anywho, I walked into another friends apartment one day and there he >was with just over 40% of his skin really rashed up. My immediate >reaction was to laugh, for either the reason he didn't listen to my >warning or I'm just an insensitive f**k. Probably the latter. >It happened one evening while he was riding home down the GW Pkwy. >He turned his head to look at a bud, and promptly hit the curb. >Thrown to the tarmac dressed for squidliness to the T: tee-shirt, >shorts, tennis shoes!!! But, seeing he was in VA, he had his >helmet on! > >Now he thinks _motorcycles_ are dangerous. > >Todd Geez. Stupidity is dangerous. Sorry about your friend, though, bet he thought it'd never happen to him, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 15 13:40:24 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA23439; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 13:40:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA14202; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 13:40:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA10914; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 13:40:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay2.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id NAA22319; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 13:40:03 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 13:39:16 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D37EC64@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'kevin thomas'" , Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Wearing full leathers in hot summer Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 13:37:23 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain My overpants are VERY convenient. I can put them on while my shoes are already on, even and you can fit jeans underneath them if you're going out or something. I've gone out many nights to dinner & surprised some people by just stepping out of them before I sit down to eat. It's much more comfortable to be sitting in leggings at a restaurant than leathers... Of course, this is never done at a nice restaurant... ; ) - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: kevin thomas [SMTP:klthomas@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, January 15, 1998 12:04 PM > To: Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Wearing full leathers in hot summer > > dale said: > I'm actually considering chaps as the next investment in safety > gear. This friend of a friend story notwithstanding. :-) Gotta > be better than the Dockers slacks I wear now. > > Dale-- > > No skin off my ass...... > > That's really laying your ass on the line....... > > Really half-assed...... > > I dunno, Dale. I think pants like Jeannette's are convenient to wear > over > your regular pants. Mine aren't, but I wear regular shorts > underneath, so I > can take them off. I don't wear mine as often as I should, but I'd > think if > I was going to tolerate the inconvenience and heat of leather chaps, I > wouldn't object to proper pants, and I'd sure be better off in a > wreck. > The biggest inconvenience for me, btw, is carrying them around all day > at > school. Cubicle occupants at least have a desk to stick them > under....... > > later > Kevin > > He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing > it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 15 13:41:26 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA23463; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 13:41:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA14269; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 13:41:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA10955; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 13:41:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from default ([12.68.75.102]) by mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA30 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 18:40:45 +0000 Reply-To: "kevin thomas" From: "kevin thomas" To: "dc-cycles" Subject: hey Gil! Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 13:37:29 -0500 Message-ID: <01bd21e4$a2bb83e0$d74c440c@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0021_01BD21BA.B9E57BE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01BD21BA.B9E57BE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Gil-- Please respond. Thanks Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01BD21BA.B9E57BE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Please respond.
 
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He who says it cannot be done should = not=20 interrupt him who is doing it.
------=_NextPart_000_0021_01BD21BA.B9E57BE0-- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 15 13:44:22 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA23539; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 13:44:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA14419; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 13:44:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA11054; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 13:44:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id NAA10607; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 13:43:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid01.mcit.com [166.37.221.13]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id NAA10820; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 13:43:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from LJTanner.mcit.com ([166.41.110.15]) by imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19980115184322.HOUJ215@XXXXXX>; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 12:43:22 -0600 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 11:43:10 -0500 Message-ID: <01BD21AA.C13254A0.linda.tanner@mci.com> From: Linda Tanner To: "'Clements, Curtis A'" Cc: "Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: RE: Re: Wearing full leathers in hot summer Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 11:43:08 -0500 Organization: MCI Telecommunications X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit No, what the world wants you to do is sue the chair manufacturer for creating a dangerous and defective product and, oh yeah, personal injury. That sucks. LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze -----Original Message----- From: Clements, Curtis A [SMTP:CAClements@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, January 15, 1998 1:11 PM To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'; 'Whiteside, John' Subject: RE: Re: Wearing full leathers in hot summer Good job! That is what the world want's you to do! >---------- >From: Whiteside, John[SMTP:jwhiteside@XXXXXX] >Sent: Thursday, January 15, 1998 12:56 PM >To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' >Subject: RE: Re: Wearing full leathers in hot summer > >Well, I stubbed my toe on a chair the other day, so I took all the >chairs out of my house. now I feel really safe. > >John Whiteside >Marketing Specialist >EIS Marketing Dept. >Phone: (703) 736-8386 * Fax (703) 787-6720 >jwhiteside@XXXXXX >http://www.eisi.com > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 15 13:47:44 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA23603; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 13:47:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA14566; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 13:47:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA11154; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 13:47:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id MAA27282 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 12:46:49 -0600 (CST) Received: from imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid01.mcit.com [166.37.221.13]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id MAA23296 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 12:46:48 -0600 (CST) Received: from LJTanner.mcit.com ([166.41.110.15]) by imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19980115184647.HPDY215@XXXXXX> for ; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 12:46:47 -0600 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 11:46:36 -0500 Message-ID: <01BD21AB.3BEF3AA0.linda.tanner@mci.com> From: Linda Tanner To: "Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: FW: Re: Wearing full leathers in hot summer Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 11:46:35 -0500 Organization: MCI Telecommunications X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Someone with waaaaaay too much time on his hands. I salute you! LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze -----Original Message----- From: Chris Norloff [SMTP:cnorloff@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, January 15, 1998 1:33 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Re: Wearing full leathers in hot summer I'm so ashamed, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 15 14:42:25 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA24662; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 14:42:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA17800; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 14:41:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from ams-central-gate-5.amsinc.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA13141; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 14:41:34 -0500 (EST) From: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX Received: by ams-central-gate-5.amsinc.com(Lotus SMTP MTA SMTP v4.6 (462.2 9-3-1997)) id 8525658D.006C93F5 ; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 14:45:57 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMSINC To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <8525658D.006BCA46.00@ams-central-gate-5.amsinc.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 14:39:09 -0500 Subject: RE: Wearing full leathers in hot summer Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; Boundary="0__=EYPwF4jKQkCsaDK2RZsnG1c8THJo10FtmjzcZrNbu5cRBb2hBNgoidcC" --0__=EYPwF4jKQkCsaDK2RZsnG1c8THJo10FtmjzcZrNbu5cRBb2hBNgoidcC Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Right! Maybe at nice restaurants Jeannette removes the leathers to expose the cocktail dress...now thats versatility! ;-) BTW, these ass jokes have me ROTFLMAO ;-) heh he...had to get mine in there... -Doug douglas_brashear@XXXXXX (Embedded image moved "O'Brien, Jeannette" to file: at AMS-Internet PIC00552.PCX) 01/15/98 01:57 PM To: klthomas @ worldnet.att.net at AMS-Internet@CCMAIL, Dale.Horstman @ mci.com at AMS-Internet@CCMAIL cc: dc-cycles @ cs.umd.edu at AMS-Internet@CCMAIL (bcc: Douglas Brashear/AMS/AMSINC) Subject: RE: Wearing full leathers in hot summer My overpants are VERY convenient. I can put them on while my shoes are already on, even and you can fit jeans underneath them if you're going out or something. I've gone out many nights to dinner & surprised some people by just stepping out of them before I sit down to eat. It's much more comfortable to be sitting in leggings at a restaurant than leathers... Of course, this is never done at a nice restaurant... ; ) - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: kevin thomas [SMTP:klthomas@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, January 15, 1998 12:04 PM > To: Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Wearing full leathers in hot summer > > dale said: > I'm actually considering chaps as the next investment in safety > gear. This friend of a friend story notwithstanding. :-) Gotta > be better than the Dockers slacks I wear now. > > Dale-- > > No skin off my ass...... > > That's really laying your ass on the line....... > > Really half-assed...... > > I dunno, Dale. I think pants like Jeannette's are convenient to wear > over > your regular pants. Mine aren't, but I wear regular shorts > underneath, so I > can take them off. I don't wear mine as often as I should, but I'd > think if > I was going to tolerate the inconvenience and heat of leather chaps, I > wouldn't object to proper pants, and I'd sure be better off in a > wreck. > The biggest inconvenience for me, btw, is carrying them around all day > at > school. Cubicle occupants at least have a desk to stick them > under....... > > later > Kevin > > He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing > it. 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Greenspun, M.D." Subject: Hot weather leathers Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Although it's a bit early to start talking about hot weather, it's not too early to order new stuff. If you really want to be safe, look good, and stay cool, get a perforated leather suit from Vanson, http://www.vansonleathers.com . Next best is a well ventilated suit or an Aerostich. Harry Bethesda, MD '97 BMW R1100RT http://www.greenspun.com/harry/bikes.htm "The more you live, the less you die." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 15 17:18:01 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA28244; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 17:18:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA23274; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 17:16:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA19390; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 17:16:54 -0500 (EST) From: MotorLE Message-ID: <77fe0902.34be89a1@aol.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 17:11:43 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: used leather, BMWs Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Kevin wrote (he's such a sweetie): >Colleen , our fellow lister, sells used and new leather and used BMW parts. Also >an occasional BMW cycle. She never promotes her business on the list; she's concerned >you might think she's spamming. I think she'd do us all a big favor if she did >promote her business, but nobody ever listens to me. So once in a while, I do >a little promoting. Here it is. ok, here's the promoting: I have lots of used bike stuff. You can see what I have at http://members.aol.com/motorle/index.html or you can call me at 301/589-6549 aol types can click here -> Motorcycle Leather Exchange I'm also always looking for things to buy or trade. Sometime tomorrow (Friday) UPS should be bringing me a big box of brand new Hein Gericke V-pilot jackets. They are the leftover inventory of a distributor that no longer carries HG. I'll probably put them on my website for $300, but I'd sell them to anyone quoting this message for $275. The sizes I'll have are 38,40,40 tall, and 42. The BMW parts are almost all /5 parts. If people are irritated by this post, just tell me, and I won't do it again. Colleen From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 15 17:25:50 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA28401; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 17:25:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA23686; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 17:25:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA19655; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 17:25:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.144] (unverified [207.226.128.144]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 17:26:59 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: aolers on the list Date: Thu, 15 Jan 98 17:22:18 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Didn't know there were so many people on the list with aol addresses. Well, I just got about 15 bounced messages returned to me. Maybe AOL thought I was spamming them. My pearls of wisdom lost in oblivion... -George From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 15 17:25:49 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA28402; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 17:25:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA23687; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 17:25:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA19657; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 17:25:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.144] (unverified [207.226.128.144]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 17:27:01 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Cheap Sport Bikes Date: Thu, 15 Jan 98 17:22:20 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Gil M. Nissley" , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > You could also get the best of both worlds.Get a big trailie(5-600cc) >and then get some sportbike wheels/brakes/suspension for it.As is,you'll >have a DP,with the sport kit you'll have a supermotard. ;-) Cool idea, since I think the only supermotard for sale in the US went bye-bye this year:( (F650ST) -George From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 15 17:29:06 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA28445; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 17:29:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA23844; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 17:28:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA19710; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 17:28:27 -0500 (EST) From: WantA ZX6 Message-ID: <12bb3140.34be8c35@aol.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 17:22:43 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: riding illegally, what else is new? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) In a message dated 98-01-15 06:48:26 EST, you write: << Speaking of riding illegally, does Fairfax county still have those big (like 500 or 600 cc) DP bikes? I haven't seen them on the road in years. They were white in color and had the Fairfax county logo on the gas tank.>> Actually on a somewhat "recent" visit I noticed them in the garage of the Mt Vernon station. Dont know if they ride them but I saw them. Kawas I think. << p.s. Anyone ride in today? Just checking to see how hard-core some of you are >> Rode to the Metro station today. Makes me a hard core wuss? Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 15 17:50:47 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA28857; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 17:50:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA24094; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 17:50:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA20428; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 17:50:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id QAA06116 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 16:49:27 -0600 (CST) Received: from imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid02.mcit.com [166.37.221.14]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id RAA10637 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 17:49:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mci.com ([166.32.114.127]) by imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with ESMTP id <19980115224926.HFXY28757@XXXXXX> for ; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 16:49:26 -0600 Message-ID: <34BE926C.EB2D3ADA@mci.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 17:49:16 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Reply-To: Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles List Subject: Do Aerostich's melt? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey all, Given my wife's propensity for melting plastic raingear, bikecovers, and tennis shoes on the hot pipes of her Suzuki Savage, a question occurred to me. How heat- resistant are the Aerostich suits? They are made of cordura nylon, and all nylon will melt eventually, right? If she was to ever purchase a 'Stich, would she end up being the first person to own a $700+ suit that had disappeared below the kneecap? I'm really curious about all this. The thread today about hot weather gear was pretty thought provoking... Ride safe! Dale (the Horkster) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 15 18:10:20 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA29167; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 18:10:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA24871; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 18:09:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA20961; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 18:09:37 -0500 (EST) From: shephar1@XXXXXX Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id RAA15407; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 17:09:00 -0600 (CST) Received: from mar-wv2-06.ix.netcom.com(205.184.22.70) by dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma015381; Thu Jan 15 17:08:35 1998 Message-ID: <34BEA975.6594@ix.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 16:27:33 -0800 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-NC320 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sandy Triolo CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: stable of bikes References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sandy Triolo wrote: . Not all but some. Let me know what you want! Also right now there are two > older Ninja 600's in need of some assistance available. > > sandy Sandy, So tell me more about the 600 Ninja's , I always liked them in the mid 80's. I would not mind having one to run out to Summit Point and thrash or so. But I am no mechanic. Simple stuff at most. Ive been thinking about trolling the classifieds for something. Ken... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 15 18:28:50 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA29450; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 18:28:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA25329; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 18:26:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from denmark.it.earthlink.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA21413; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 18:26:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from [153.35.91.22] (1Cust22.tnt5.tco2.da.uu.net [153.35.91.22]) by denmark.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA18500 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 15:26:50 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: level_5_ltd@XXXXXX (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 18:28:33 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Alan Lapp Subject: RE: shavings was downshifting Starting Drill - kick-start bikes tended to have >unique requirements to get them started - usually fairly well >standardized within a given model, but significantly different between >models. A routine that would guarantee a quick start on one type of bike >would guarantee a flooded engine on another - ahhh, the lost mystique... I, too am old enough to remember the rituals.... Just a few days ago (in the warm weather) there was this dweeb in my neighboorhood trying to get an SR500 to run. He'd kick it until he got tired or it would fire, and then it would only run above 2~3K rpm. I finally got sick of listening to the racket, and went over to find out what the problem was. Long story short: I started it up a few times, and he asked why I was pumping the kickstart lever before I kicked it a good one.... And, just to make me laugh harder, when I suggested that since it was running so rich, the air filter was probably clogged, he looked at me and said "Filter?"... I swear! Al level_5_ltd@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 15 18:54:30 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA29822; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 18:54:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA26198; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 18:53:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp2.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA22029; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 18:53:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from krosenba.erols.com (man-as9s10.erols.com [207.172.75.10]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA21567; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 18:53:43 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980115185123.007ddaa0@pop.erols.com> X-Sender: krosenba@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 18:51:23 -0500 To: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX, DC-cycles From: Karl Rosenbaum Subject: Re: Wearing full leathers in hot summer In-Reply-To: <8525658D.004DCC82.00@ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:12 AM 01/15/1998 -0500, you wrote: >BTW, how much does an aerostitch suit cost, approx? Right now I wear >cordura pants, and all this talk makes me wanna upgrade. Is the 'stitch a >leather suit, or an armored cordura suit? There are two different suits that they make (the name of the company is Rider Warehouse). The Roadcrafter and the Darien. After reading most of the messages in this regard I would think the folks are talking about the roadcrafter. This is more "heavy" duty of the two. If ordered as a 2-piece it is $397 for the jacket and $347 for the pants. The one piece is $697. The Darien is the "lighter" of the two but still offers excellent protection (I know folks that have worn both of the suits and they faired well). This jacket comes in two different styles: a regular and a light. They are both the same price at $487 (it comes with a nice fleece liner - if you want just the jacket it is $367). The pants are $297. A little steep, but these suits are considered, by many, as the best. They have a catalog that has a lot of neat stuff in it. To get that call this number: 1-800-222-1994 PS ----> They are the BEST people in the business when it comes to customer service! Karl Rosenbaum 88 BMW K100LT "grandpa" Woodbridge, VA http://www.erols.com/krosenba From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 15 18:58:11 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA29868; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 18:58:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA26351; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 18:57:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp2.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA22103; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 18:57:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from krosenba.erols.com (man-as9s10.erols.com [207.172.75.10]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA22781; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 18:57:31 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980115185511.007cb530@pop.erols.com> X-Sender: krosenba@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 18:55:11 -0500 To: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX, DC-cycles From: Karl Rosenbaum Subject: Re: Wearing full leathers in hot summer Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:12 AM 01/15/1998 -0500, you wrote: >BTW, how much does an aerostitch suit cost, approx? Right now I wear >cordura pants, and all this talk makes me wanna upgrade. Is the 'stitch a >leather suit, or an armored cordura suit? There are two different suits that they make (the name of the company is Rider Warehouse). The Roadcrafter and the Darien. After reading most of the messages in this regard I would think the folks are talking about the roadcrafter. This is more "heavy" duty of the two. If ordered as a 2-piece it is $397 for the jacket and $347 for the pants. The one piece is $697. The Darien is the "lighter" of the two but still offers excellent protection (I know folks that have worn both of the suits and they faired well). This jacket comes in two different styles: a regular and a light. They are both the same price at $487 (it comes with a nice fleece liner - if you want just the jacket it is $367). The pants are $297. A little steep, but these suits are considered, by many, as the best. They have a catalog that has a lot of neat stuff in it. To get that call this number: 1-800-222-1994 PS ----> They are the BEST people in the business when it comes to customer service! +++ I forgot on the previous message to say they are made of Cordura (500 denier.) +++ Karl Rosenbaum 88 BMW K100LT "grandpa" Woodbridge, VA http://www.erols.com/krosenba From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 15 20:14:38 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA00980; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 20:14:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA28080; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 20:13:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.mnsinc.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA23424; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 20:13:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from LOCALNAME (rave@XXXXXX [206.55.25.101]) by relay.mnsinc.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA02817 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 20:12:49 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <34BEDEB3.3B3A@mnsinc.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 20:14:43 -0800 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Riding in Today Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Glenn Dysart questioned: > p.s. Anyone ride in today? Just checking to see how hard-core some of > you are. Mr Dysart, I did (over the protests of my darling wife). It was wet, especially this afternoon, but there was no ice this morning that I could see. Didn't leave till 0855 hrs though. J (not that hard-core, but hate driving the Taurus) K From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 15 20:29:52 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA01153; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 20:29:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA28195; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 20:29:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.mnsinc.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA23732; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 20:29:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from LOCALNAME (rave@XXXXXX [206.55.25.101]) by relay.mnsinc.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA03217 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 20:28:44 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <34BEE271.6D59@mnsinc.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 20:30:41 -0800 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Starting Drill Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Michael Jordan opined: > One of the lost arts of > motorcycling is the Starting Drill - kick-start bikes tended to have > unique requirements to get them started - usually fairly well > standardized within a given model, but significantly different between > models. A routine that would guarantee a quick start on one type of bike > would guarantee a flooded engine on another - ahhh, the lost mystique... > > Michael (old enough to remember all of this crap) J. Hey Michael, There's still a few of us who remember the routine :) With older (Meridien Works) Triumphs, this was interesting (admittedly perhaps only to Michael, maybe Leon and a handful of others, but anyway...) but these machines were outfitted with a choke. Catch was, you didn't need it, nor did you use it. So what did you do? You "tickled" the carburetors. What does this mean the non-cognoscenti ask? The old Amal carbs had a little spring-loaded button on the side, which was pushed down until gasoline dribbled out of the accompanying airhole - that's right, all over your fingers! (Great cologne if any of you think Polo - god forbid - is cool ;) Then, totally ignoring the choke, you kicked it over, after having found TDC (top dead center) with your kickstarter.. and voilà! Vrooom-vroom! It brings back some good memories... JK From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 15 21:31:31 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA01756; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 21:31:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA28595; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 21:30:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA24824; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 21:30:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-11.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.52]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA04462; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 21:30:25 -0500 Message-ID: <026e01bd2226$f1656e60$3910b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: , "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." Subject: Wednesday frolic (was Re: BMW Police Bikes) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 21:31:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 -----Original Message----- From: Harry G. Greenspun, M.D. Date: Thursday, January 15, 1998 10:30 AM > Sorry to those who couldn't ride yesterday. It was fantastic. By about >7 p.m. it was getting pretty nippy, though. The only addition I made to my >riding gear was a silk balaklava, which made a surprisingly difference. > ....[snip rest about BMW]. This is a rambler. But worth inflicting, darn it. Emoting over drudge turned to joy. Time -- 11a Wednesday. Have task to do in Rockville (from base near 21-M in District). Not looking forward to it, and strongly considering Metro. Cold, winter glop acoming tomorrow and time always important . . . .But -- day forecast to be a brisker -- sunny, clear skies, low 30's, strong inhaling on tap. Ski slopes, I fantasize. So, cozy time on the bike. Pull on the (still checking out) gear (Husky, leather mittens, etc.) and head for Rv via GWPwky. Down 23rd because news says RockCP slow between P and Pa this week. Traffic. (Why at noon?). My Husky is August when I hit TR bridge turn. Feel like astronaut waiting for blastoff. Ahhhhhhhhhh. The Pkwy to Bway to 270 to Montrose. Missing slope music. Bright sun, rational cagers, a gut rhythm doing needed weaving. Welcome air leaks here and there. Somehow hear beeper go off about mid-270. Arrive sorry to. Exit helmet, Husky, etc. During short wait, check msg: Should visit near Col Pike & Glebe in Arlington today (or postpone for wx). Consider. Bummer. Turns out these people can't handle (little, but crucial-to-me) job (after they said o.k. on phone) and refer to place off Rte 1. Welcome mistake is not planning rest of trip prior to exit. Outside sun is shining, bike winking (and tomorrow gloppy). Air cool, but see others in short sleeves. DONE. Plan is to Rte. 1/Powder Mill, Col Pike, home; soak up this day, make excuses (uh, celebrating Uruguayan Independence Day, or some such). Back into helmet and Husky. 1:30. Lotsa traffic on Montrose, 270, Bway to Rte 1. Always in awe of this section of Beltway. Nervy humans, pulsing machines, temporary tribal rules, trusting cohorts, low sun & trees. One aberration -- many perish. X-files. Again, beauty in the shifting and the rhythm at 70mph. Arrive. Depart. Still glorious day. To Arlington on strange-to-me but recommended Kenilworth Ave. Other than minor construction, a noted pleasure at 2:30p. Took GWPkwy turnoff. Zip traffic (surprise) all the way except at NYave/x95 light. Notice Boston Market at Glebe/Col Pike, mouth waters. Do closeby visit, return. Have tasty half bird lunch while managing waist-dropped Husky (they do get jungly). On leaving, consider promoting 24x7 helmet law for everybody when corner of street sign jams into helmet. Curse into Husky, recover, mount bike, aim east. Oncoming Col Pike traffic risky as sun arrows into their eyes. Head for Wash Blvd. Turn right off Col Pike around into sun, look back east for traffic, see some, then fortunately do a look ahead check -- and see car stopped in merge lane, difficult to see for my sunglasses, arrow sun, tree shadows. Pucker and whoa. Remember ancient likewise flattened sportscar grill incident while on duty in New Orleans. Episcopally genuflect. Rte 50 To 21&M. Fuel. Still lovely day. Consider heading for either Ocean City or Hagerstown. Too late: try, as in past similar experiences, to reverse time. Can't, vow once more to learn how in this life. Return home. Fight off lapsing into memories for 24 hours. Put big smile in log book. Bill Swanson 96 Vulcan 500 LTD Downtown DC AMA, + From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 15 21:35:20 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA01788; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 21:35:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA28620; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 21:35:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA24889; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 21:35:11 -0500 (EST) From: MotorLE Message-ID: <967be0cd.34bec703@aol.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 21:33:37 EST To: jckozyn@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Starting Drill Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) >these machines were outfitted with a choke. Catch was, > >you didn't need it, nor did you use it. So what did you do? My 1960 BMW is the same. There is a chock lever on the airbox, but to tell the truth, I never figured out which position is on and which is off. The bike starts and runs the same whichever way I put that lever. It's probably not connected to anything at all. BMW had ticklers on some models all the way until 1975 or 1976 (I forgot which). Colleen From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 15 23:32:38 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA02948; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 23:32:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA29625; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 23:32:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA26742; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 23:32:06 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA10434; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 23:27:55 -0500 Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 23:22:21 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Hot weather leathers To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980115150706.0069f204@pop.mindspring.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 15 Jan 1998, Harry G. Greenspun, M.D. wrote: > Although it's a bit early to start talking about hot weather, it's not > too early to order new stuff. > If you really want to be safe, look good, and stay cool, get a perforated > leather suit from Vanson, http://www.vansonleathers.com . Next best is a > well ventilated suit or an Aerostich. I'll put a vote in for the Vanson stuff.I own one of the old CoolTech vented leather jackets and love it.I've worn it in 100deg weather and it works great.The only downside is because it's black I tend to roast when stopped at lights or in traffic,but as soon as I move a little I cool off.If I had to replace it(they don't make them anymore) I'd go with the perforated Vanson stuff. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 15 23:40:32 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA03036; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 23:40:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA29702; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 23:40:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA26862; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 23:40:23 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA10473; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 23:36:12 -0500 Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 23:28:47 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: RE: shavings was downshifting To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 15 Jan 1998, Jordan, Michael wrote: > motorcycling is the Starting Drill - kick-start bikes tended to have > unique requirements to get them started - usually fairly well > standardized within a given model, but significantly different between > models. A routine that would guarantee a quick start on one type of bike > would guarantee a flooded engine on another - ahhh, the lost mystique... I donno,it depends on the bike. My dad's old XL500 was a breeze to start.His current XL600 is a real bitch.In addition to the standard drill,once it starts it will run for 5 seconds before dying.Then you start it again and it will stay running. This gets even more interesting when the bike has sat outside overnight in single digit temps...and you're hung over from a New Year's party. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 15 23:44:30 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA03083; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 23:44:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA29744; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 23:44:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA26933; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 23:44:21 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA10489; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 23:40:11 -0500 Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 23:36:28 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: RE: riding illegally, what else is new? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <19980115143904.GLVR215@[166.41.242.141]> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 15 Jan 1998, Todd Peer wrote: > Hey, the feds have a liberal leave > and it were'nt that bad a commute. Civvie wimps.We're 24/365.No snow days for us.And my commute is a 2.5 mile walk(uphill on the way home). :-P The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 16 00:05:51 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA03548; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 00:05:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA00486; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 00:05:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA27297; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 00:05:32 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA10828; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 00:01:22 -0500 Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 23:59:08 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Sender: "Gil M. Nissley" Reply-To: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: BMW Police Bikes To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980115102316.006a0ce4@pop.mindspring.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Thu, 15 Jan 1998, Harry G. Greenspun, M.D. wrote: > Interestingly, I had a conversation with one of the State Police > motorcycle troopers. He was riding a huge Harley, Did he have an engine-bib like the DC cops?The DC guys have this (canvas?) cover that goes around their lower body and wraps around the engine.That's got to be toasty. > but they are hoping to > get Maryland to purchase BMW's R1100RT-P. California just bought a bunch of > them (way to go Ponch and Jon!), as did some of the northwestern states. > Bob's BMW has one in the showroom, and it's very cool. They are planning > on lending it to the troopers for an evaluation. It will be at the > Baltimore bike show. You can also see them in almost every picture of > Princess Diana's funeral procession. The latest issue of the Brit mag _Bike_ has a pic of a lineup of the new CHiP rides.What's up with the spoked wheels?Some kind of Cali-style thing?And why didn't they integrate the red/blues into the bodywork instead of just tacking them on the top of the fairing and sticking them on posts? Could be worse though.They could have bought Buell cop bikes like that place in Georgia. :-P The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 16 00:16:22 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA03817; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 00:16:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAB00845; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 00:15:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA27616; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 00:15:54 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA10894; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 00:11:43 -0500 Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 00:08:47 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Cheap Sport Bikes To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 15 Jan 1998, George Howell wrote: > > You could also get the best of both worlds.Get a big trailie(5-600cc) > >and then get some sportbike wheels/brakes/suspension for it.As is,you'll > >have a DP,with the sport kit you'll have a supermotard. ;-) > Cool idea, since I think the only supermotard for sale in the US went > bye-bye this year:( Nah,they still import the KTM Duke.Rad bike.And they now have electric start too.Couldn't see using a left hand kicker.Like writing with the wrong hand. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 16 00:32:26 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA03961; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 00:32:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA01106; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 00:32:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA28018; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 00:32:08 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA10977; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 00:27:56 -0500 Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 00:25:57 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Sender: "Gil M. Nissley" Reply-To: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: RE: shavings was downshifting To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Thu, 15 Jan 1998, Alan Lapp wrote: (snip story) Did you ever have to start a bike with an auto comp release(a cable that went from the kicker to the head)?My XL200 had one of those,I could never get it to light up while it was connected. After my dad took it off,I was able to manually bump the comp off and get it to start on the first kick almost every time. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 16 01:03:33 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA04145; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 01:03:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA01393; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 01:03:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from germany.it.earthlink.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA28692; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 01:03:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from [153.34.240.151] (1Cust151.tnt1.tco2.da.uu.net [153.34.240.151]) by germany.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA01820 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 22:03:09 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: level_5_ltd@XXXXXX Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 01:05:29 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Alan Lapp Subject: RE: shavings was downshifting >On Thu, 15 Jan 1998, Alan Lapp wrote: > (snip story) > > Did you ever have to start a bike with an auto comp release(a >cable that went from the kicker to the head)?My XL200 had one of >those,I could never get it to light up while it was connected. >After my dad took it off,I was able to manually bump the comp >off and get it to start on the first kick almost every time. > Yeah. Stupid things. I suppose that if you had really fast feet - which I don't - you could make the thing fire off with the automatic compression release. They don't re-engage the compression until the kickstart lever has returned to the top of it's stroke. I've always found that the best use of a compression release is to get the motor spinning, de-compressed, then as I reach the bottom of the stroke, let the release off. Al level_5_ltd@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 16 03:52:44 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA06328; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 03:52:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA07010; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 03:52:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA02302; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 03:52:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id DAA12486; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 03:48:05 -0500 Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 03:45:47 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: MD Plate Thing To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hey all, A couple girls at the part-time job were concerned about that thing where you could get someone's name/phone # from their plate at the DMV.I deleted the msg.so could someone post/reply mail me the number to call to block this. TIA. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 16 07:45:52 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA08127; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 07:45:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA09048; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 07:45:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from portal.visa.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA04626; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 07:45:07 -0500 (EST) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA17777 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Fri, 16 Jan 1998 04:45:06 -0800 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Fri, 16 Jan 1998 04:45:06 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'Alan Lapp'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: shavings was downshifting Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 04:46:30 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 14 TEXT > Did you ever have to start a bike with an auto comp release(a >cable that went from the kicker to the head)?My XL200 had one of My SRX-600 has one - the basic drill is to bring the beast up to compression, let the kick start lever come all the way back to the top, and stomp it, Works every time. If I just start kicking, I may or may not get enough revs to put it over the top on compression. Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX 1100GP (first non-kick scooter in 35 years of riding) > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 16 07:51:16 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA08192; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 07:51:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA09103; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 07:51:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from portal.visa.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA04714; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 07:51:08 -0500 (EST) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA18234 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Fri, 16 Jan 1998 04:51:07 -0800 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Fri, 16 Jan 1998 04:51:07 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'dc-cycles'" Subject: RE: Starting Drill Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 04:52:33 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 13 TEXT > >>You "tickled" the carburetors > >John, > >Don't remind me of ticklers - my '66 BSA Lightning had the beasts on its >Amals. It has some other quirks too. I was the only Beezer rider in a Triumph >society - always was sort of an outcast. > >Michael (old enough to remember all of this crap, but not so old that I'm >forgetting it) J. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 16 08:35:48 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA08646; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 08:35:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA09545; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 08:35:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from m-net.arbornet.org by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA05395; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 08:35:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (bmccoy@localhost) by m-net.arbornet.org (8.8.5/8.8.6) with SMTP id IAA15054; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 08:18:55 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 08:18:55 -0500 (EST) From: Brian McCoy To: Dale Horstman cc: DC Cycles List Subject: Re: Do Aerostich's melt? In-Reply-To: <34BE926C.EB2D3ADA@mci.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I don't even want to know how... But, as you said - it will melt over time if left for long(ish)peroids of time on a super hot substance. I've stood with leg against hot exhaust for many minutes in a row without any marking/melting happen (it was an accident - tight space and I didn't know I was touching.. it wasn't hot). As long as Tracy can manage to think about her leg getting seared and living with this painful burn everytime she comes close to a hot place, she'll be fine (like thinking of hamburger skin in the summer before jumping on the bike in a t-shirt). It really is a great piece of gear - I love mine - except it's a bit of a pain in the winter because it's tight (I need broader shoulders for the suit - there's shipping and $50 - I can live with it till I buy another). Fits perfect in the summer and the ONLY time I get hot is when sitting in traffic - and you'll be hot in anything at that time... One mans thoughts On Thu, 15 Jan 1998, Dale Horstman wrote: > Hey all, > > Given my wife's propensity for melting plastic raingear, bikecovers, and > tennis shoes > on the hot pipes of her Suzuki Savage, a question occurred to me. How > heat- > resistant are the Aerostich suits? They are made of cordura nylon, and > all nylon > will melt eventually, right? If she was to ever purchase a 'Stich, > would she end up > being the first person to own a $700+ suit that had disappeared below > the > kneecap? > > I'm really curious about all this. The thread today about hot weather > gear > was pretty thought provoking... > > Ride safe! > > Dale (the Horkster) > Brian P. McCoy - 86' VF500fg (street) - 92/94 RS125 (race) bmccoy@XXXXXX (work) (301)210-8000 x 2155 (work) bmccoy@XXXXXX (personal) (301)445-4451 (home) www.geocities.com\motorcity\1319 (OLD Homepage - view at your own risk) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 16 08:55:24 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA08837; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 08:55:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA09629; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 08:55:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA05695; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 08:54:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.112] (unverified [207.226.128.112]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 08:59:28 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Cheap Sport Bikes Date: Fri, 16 Jan 98 08:54:45 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Gil M. Nissley" , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > Nah,they still import the KTM Duke.Rad bike.And they now have electric >start too.Couldn't see using a left hand kicker.Like writing with the >wrong hand. Don't think I've ever seen a KTM in person (maybe in Cleveland the end of this month) but it had slipped my mind. And there are other things that feel more unnatural when done with the wrong hand than writing;) ``` (o o) *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| *--------------------------oooO------------* |__||__| || || ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 16 08:55:27 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA08842; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 08:55:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA09630; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 08:55:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA05697; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 08:54:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.112] (unverified [207.226.128.112]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 08:59:31 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: BMW Police Bikes Date: Fri, 16 Jan 98 08:54:47 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Gil M. Nissley" , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > The latest issue of the Brit mag _Bike_ has a pic of a lineup of >the new CHiP rides.What's up with the spoked wheels?Some kind of >Cali-style thing?And why didn't they integrate the red/blues into >the bodywork instead of just tacking them on the top of the fairing >and sticking them on posts? According to Steve at Morton's BMW, the wire spoked wheels are stronger and lighter than the cast ones. And they can still use tubeless tires. Just something I heard... -George From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 16 09:10:28 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA08996; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 09:10:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA09799; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 09:10:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from att.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05936; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 09:10:17 -0500 (EST) From: jcarver@XXXXXX Received: by cagw1.att.com; Fri Jan 16 09:04 EST 1998 Received: from dcn.dcn.att.com (dcn.dcn.att.com [135.44.192.113]) by caig1.att.att.com (AT&T/GW-1.0) with SMTP id JAA02492 for ; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 09:00:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from dcn72.dcn.att.com by dcn.dcn.att.com with SMTP id AA04730 (5.67c/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 16 Jan 1998 09:11:03 -0500 Received: by dcn72.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD225E.BBBDA4C0@XXXXXX>; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 09:11:30 -0500 Message-Id: To: Subject: Helmet law in MD Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 09:09:58 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit But, seeing he was in VA, he had his helmet on! Am I missing something? I thought MD had a helmet law? -OR- was this prior to that law? --John From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 16 10:01:35 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA09621; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 10:01:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA11539; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 10:00:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06720; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 10:00:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id KAA04554; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 10:00:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (nmta2.mcit.com [166.37.172.3]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id KAA22278; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 10:00:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19980116150001.LRM6587@[166.41.242.141]>; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 10:00:01 -0500 Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 09:39 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: Karl Rosenbaum CC: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX, DC-cycles Subject: Re: Wearing full leathers in hot summer X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980116150001.LRM6587@[166.41.242.141]> I just wanted to add a couple of things that might interest you all, aside from Karls otherwise concise description of the two suits offered. Both suits accept and come with padding in the shoulders/elbows/knees, and you can get Back and Hip pads (extra $$60/30). The RoadCrafter is the more popular suit for various reasons: -it has 1050 denier, urethane coated patches sewn over the shoulders/elbows and knees. -it comes in a one piece jump or two piece you can zip together, so it is presumably easier to don/dof. -it probably fairs slightly better than the Darien in a serious crash, making it a good choice for speedsters. - The only downside I've heard for this suit is that during rain it will leak in the crotch after about an hour. The Darien (I have the Jacket) is absolutely waterproof all day long. It is also intended for touring types and is littered with pockets to put things. Todd >BTW, how much does an aerostitch suit cost, approx? Right now I wear >cordura pants, and all this talk makes me wanna upgrade. Is the 'stitch a >leather suit, or an armored cordura suit? There are two different suits that they make (the name of the company is Rider Warehouse). The Roadcrafter and the Darien. After reading most of the messages in this regard I would think the folks are talking about the roadcrafter. This is more "heavy" duty of the two. If ordered as a 2-piece it is $397 for the jacket and $347 for the pants. The one piece is $697. The Darien is the "lighter" of the two but still offers excellent protection (I know folks that have worn both of the suits and they faired well). This jacket comes in two different styles: a regular and a light. They are both the same price at $487 (it comes with a nice fleece liner - if you want just the jacket it is $367). The pants are $297. A little steep, but these suits are considered, by many, as the best. They have a catalog that has a lot of neat stuff in it. To get that call this number: 1-800-222-1994 PS ----> They are the BEST people in the business when it comes to customer service! +++ I forgot on the previous message to say they are made of Cordura (500 denier.) +++ Karl Rosenbaum 88 BMW K100LT "grandpa" Woodbridge, VA http://www.erols.com/krosenba From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 16 10:05:04 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA09676; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 10:05:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA12171; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 10:04:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06834; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 10:04:45 -0500 (EST) Received: by hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD2265.758602C0@XXXXXX>; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 09:59:39 -0500 Message-ID: From: To: , Cc: Subject: RE: Wearing full leathers in hot summer Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 14:32:57 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 46 TEXT Pants like Jeanettes are on convient when you are Jeanette's size - when you reach our size (Big & Tall - Dale and Plus - me) - well, it's just not a pretty sight watching us take them on/off Tracy Horstman '87 Suzuki Savage 650 "There are 2 types of computer users in the world: Those that have lost data and those that are going to....." ---------- From: kevin thomas[SMTP:klthomas@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, January 15, 1998 12:03 PM To: Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Wearing full leathers in hot summer dale said: I'm actually considering chaps as the next investment in safety gear. This friend of a friend story notwithstanding. :-) Gotta be better than the Dockers slacks I wear now. Dale-- No skin off my ass...... That's really laying your ass on the line....... Really half-assed...... I dunno, Dale. I think pants like Jeannette's are convenient to wear over your regular pants. Mine aren't, but I wear regular shorts underneath, so I can take them off. I don't wear mine as often as I should, but I'd think if I was going to tolerate the inconvenience and heat of leather chaps, I wouldn't object to proper pants, and I'd sure be better off in a wreck. The biggest inconvenience for me, btw, is carrying them around all day at school. Cubicle occupants at least have a desk to stick them under....... later Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 16 10:11:04 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA09782; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 10:11:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA12708; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 10:10:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from m-net.arbornet.org by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07018; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 10:10:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (bmccoy@localhost) by m-net.arbornet.org (8.8.5/8.8.6) with SMTP id JAA03210; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 09:47:21 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 09:47:20 -0500 (EST) From: Brian McCoy To: jcarver@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Helmet law in MD In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII You're not missing anything - Except MD put themselves in a nice little loop-hole trap with helmets - they stated that they would provide a list of all safe helmets but they have never done so - and any lawyer can get you off a 'Riding without Helmet' ticket with this simeple fact. Most cops don't even bother up here anymore (as far as I've heard). This is NOT from experience - I always wear a helmet (yes, even when showering, driving a cage and having sex.. :P) Brian On Fri, 16 Jan 1998 jcarver@XXXXXX wrote: > Am I missing something? I thought MD had a helmet law? -OR- was this > prior to that law? > > --John > Brian P. McCoy - 86' VF500fg (street) - 92/94 RS125 (race) bmccoy@XXXXXX (work) (301)210-8000 x 2155 (work) bmccoy@XXXXXX (personal) (301)445-4451 (home) www.geocities.com\motorcity\1319 (OLD Homepage - view at your own risk) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 16 10:15:07 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA09860; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 10:15:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA12891; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 10:14:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07133; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 10:14:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.02c) id A95237901D4; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 10:14:26 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980116100835.00943990@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 10:08:35 -0500 To: From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Helmet law in MD In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:09 AM 1/16/98 -0500, jcarver@XXXXXX wrote: >But, seeing he was in VA, he had his >helmet on! > >Am I missing something? I thought MD had a helmet law? -OR- was this >prior to that law? Probably prior to the existing Maryland helmet law. That law has now been in effect about 10 years I think. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 16 10:15:18 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA09869; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 10:15:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA12912; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 10:15:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07153; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 10:15:10 -0500 (EST) Received: by hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD2266.713DB540@XXXXXX>; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 10:06:41 -0500 Message-ID: From: To: , Cc: Subject: RE: Do Aerostich's melt? Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 08:47:42 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 71 TEXT The problem isn't me standing against the pipe, it's when I right. In order to get stuff large enough to go over my hips, they wind up a little long and they bag at my ankles. My one and only pipe is right there so the bagging material touches the pipe. Someday it's going to do more than melt {{ :-O But since the suits allow for tailoring, I shouldn't have that problem. When I first got the bike, I kept melting my shoe against the pipe - broke that habit - just don't have any control over the baggy ankles. Tracy Horstman '87 Suzuki Savage 650 "There are 2 types of computer users in the world: Those that have lost data and those that are going to....." ---------- From: Brian McCoy[SMTP:bmccoy@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, January 16, 1998 8:18 AM To: Dale Horstman Cc: DC Cycles List Subject: Re: Do Aerostich's melt? I don't even want to know how... But, as you said - it will melt over time if left for long(ish)peroids of time on a super hot substance. I've stood with leg against hot exhaust for many minutes in a row without any marking/melting happen (it was an accident - tight space and I didn't know I was touching.. it wasn't hot). As long as Tracy can manage to think about her leg getting seared and living with this painful burn everytime she comes close to a hot place, she'll be fine (like thinking of hamburger skin in the summer before jumping on the bike in a t-shirt). It really is a great piece of gear - I love mine - except it's a bit of a pain in the winter because it's tight (I need broader shoulders for the suit - there's shipping and $50 - I can live with it till I buy another). Fits perfect in the summer and the ONLY time I get hot is when sitting in traffic - and you'll be hot in anything at that time... One mans thoughts On Thu, 15 Jan 1998, Dale Horstman wrote: > Hey all, > > Given my wife's propensity for melting plastic raingear, bikecovers, and > tennis shoes > on the hot pipes of her Suzuki Savage, a question occurred to me. How > heat- > resistant are the Aerostich suits? They are made of cordura nylon, and > all nylon > will melt eventually, right? If she was to ever purchase a 'Stich, > would she end up > being the first person to own a $700+ suit that had disappeared below > the > kneecap? > > I'm really curious about all this. The thread today about hot weather > gear > was pretty thought provoking... > > Ride safe! > > Dale (the Horkster) > Brian P. McCoy - 86' VF500fg (street) - 92/94 RS125 (race) bmccoy@XXXXXX (work) (301)210-8000 x 2155 (work) bmccoy@XXXXXX (personal) (301)445-4451 (home) www.geocities.com\motorcity\1319 (OLD Homepage - view at your own risk) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 16 10:15:44 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA09881; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 10:15:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA12942; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 10:15:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07165; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 10:15:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id JAA28735; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 09:15:03 -0600 (CST) Received: from nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (nmta2.mcit.com [166.37.172.3]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id JAA15009; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 09:15:03 -0600 (CST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19980116151502.QLJ6587@[166.41.242.141]>; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 10:15:02 -0500 Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 09:54 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: jcarver@XXXXXX CC: Subject: Re: Helmet law in MD X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980116151502.QLJ6587@[166.41.242.141]> The event occured prior to the FedGovt mandating that states legislate helmet use, before they could receive funds for hiway maintenance. ABATE of MD though is very vocal/active about the new law. It is written to say that the state will specify what helmet(s) would satisfy the states requirements for safe helmets, but does not specify them. The law has been challenged numerous times by riders in MD, who refuse to wear a helmet. They get nicked, go to court and point out the letter of the law, and the court drops charges - no convictions to date. Todd From: jcarver@XXXXXX Message-Id: To: Subject: Helmet law in MD Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 09:09:58 -0500 But, seeing he was in VA, he had his helmet on! Am I missing something? I thought MD had a helmet law? -OR- was this prior to that law? --John From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 16 10:31:24 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA10088; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 10:31:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA13709; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 10:31:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07515; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 10:31:03 -0500 (EST) Received: by hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD2269.79ED57B0@XXXXXX>; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 10:28:24 -0500 Message-ID: From: To: , Cc: Subject: RE: Helmet law in MD Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 10:28:23 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 37 TEXT That was more than I needed to know.... Tracy Horstman '87 Suzuki Savage 650 "There are 2 types of computer users in the world: Those that have lost data and those that are going to....." ---------- From: Brian McCoy[SMTP:bmccoy@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, January 16, 1998 9:47 AM To: jcarver@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Helmet law in MD You're not missing anything - Except MD put themselves in a nice little loop-hole trap with helmets - they stated that they would provide a list of all safe helmets but they have never done so - and any lawyer can get you off a 'Riding without Helmet' ticket with this simeple fact. Most cops don't even bother up here anymore (as far as I've heard). This is NOT from experience - I always wear a helmet (yes, even when showering, driving a cage and having sex.. :P) Brian On Fri, 16 Jan 1998 jcarver@XXXXXX wrote: > Am I missing something? I thought MD had a helmet law? -OR- was this > prior to that law? > > --John > Brian P. McCoy - 86' VF500fg (street) - 92/94 RS125 (race) bmccoy@XXXXXX (work) (301)210-8000 x 2155 (work) bmccoy@XXXXXX (personal) (301)445-4451 (home) www.geocities.com\motorcity\1319 (OLD Homepage - view at your own risk) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 16 10:46:04 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA10399; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 10:46:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA14945; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 10:45:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from sundown.northgrum.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07806; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 10:45:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from puff.northgrum.com (puff.northgrum.com [157.127.103.139]) by sundown.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id HAA23089 for ; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 07:45:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from xcgca011.northgrum.com ([157.127.103.101]) by puff.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id HAA12205 for ; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 07:45:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by XCGCA011 with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 07:46:27 -0800 Message-ID: <11D743514607D011A15500805FEA3464A45E05@xcgva001.grumman.com> From: "Meier, Christopher" To: "'bmccoy@XXXXXX'" , "'dc-cycles'" Subject: RE: Helmet law in MD Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 07:46:24 -0800 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain > From: Brian McCoy[SMTP:bmccoy@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, January 16, 1998 9:47 AM > To: jcarver@XXXXXX > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Helmet law in MD > --snip-- > cops don't even bother up here anymore (as far as I've heard). This > is > NOT from experience - I always wear a helmet (yes, even when > showering, > driving a cage and having sex.. :P) > > Brian > Yes but do you have one for your passenger, er um, I mean Partner? Later, chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 16 11:10:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA10993; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 11:10:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA15940; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 11:09:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from server4.illuminet.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA08625; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 11:09:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from illuminet.net (aln-63-182.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.182]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA32521 for ; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 11:12:15 -0500 Message-ID: <34BF8609.A2224ADF@illuminet.net> Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 11:08:42 -0500 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Aerostich RoadCrafter was:Wearing full leathers References: <19980116150001.LRM6587@[166.41.242.141]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Depending on the rainstorm, the crotch leak can occur in considerably less than an hour. If the water puddles in your lap, it leaks into the suit. If you can keep the puddles from forming, the suit stays dry inside. I use the one piece suit RoadCrafter, about 3 times a year, it would be nice to have a jacket after I get somewhere. I use a rainsuit over it if it's really cold or if I choose to ride all day in a heavy rain. After 30 miles in the new RoadCrafter with Thinsulate, the legs feel considerably thicker. It is much warmer, in the old suit my legs and hips got cold, in this one, I didn't notice that. I had one less layer on top than I normally wear, and the warmth was similar to the old suit. This suit feels about 10 degrees warmer than the old one. Leon. Todd Peer wrote: > I just wanted to add a couple of things that might interest you all, > aside from Karls otherwise concise description of the two suits offered. > > Both suits accept and come with padding in the shoulders/elbows/knees, > and you can get Back and Hip pads (extra $$60/30). The RoadCrafter is > the more popular suit for various reasons: > > -it has 1050 denier, urethane coated patches sewn over the > shoulders/elbows and knees. > -it comes in a one piece jump or two piece you can zip together, > so it is presumably easier to don/dof. > -it probably fairs slightly better than the Darien in a serious > crash, making it a good choice for speedsters. > - The only downside I've heard for this suit is that during rain > it will leak in the crotch after about an hour. > > The Darien (I have the Jacket) is absolutely waterproof all day long. > It is also intended for touring types and is littered with pockets > to put things. > > Todd > > >BTW, how much does an aerostitch suit cost, approx? Right now I wear > >cordura pants, and all this talk makes me wanna upgrade. Is the 'stitch a > >leather suit, or an armored cordura suit? > > There are two different suits that they make (the name of the company is > Rider Warehouse). The Roadcrafter and the Darien. After reading most of > the messages in this regard I would think the folks are talking about the > roadcrafter. This is more "heavy" duty of the two. If ordered as a > 2-piece it is $397 for the jacket and $347 for the pants. The one piece is > $697. > The Darien is the "lighter" of the two but still offers excellent > protection (I know folks that have worn both of the suits and they faired > well). This jacket comes in two different styles: a regular and a light. > They are both the same price at $487 (it comes with a nice fleece liner - > if you want just the jacket it is $367). The pants are $297. > A little steep, but these suits are considered, by many, as the best. > > They have a catalog that has a lot of neat stuff in it. To get that call > this number: > 1-800-222-1994 > > PS ----> They are the BEST people in the business when it comes to customer > service! > > +++ I forgot on the previous message to say they are made of Cordura (500 > denier.) +++ > Karl Rosenbaum > 88 BMW K100LT "grandpa" > Woodbridge, VA > http://www.erols.com/krosenba From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 16 11:35:49 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA11486; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 11:35:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA17438; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 11:35:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from m-net.arbornet.org by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA09346; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 11:35:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (bmccoy@localhost) by m-net.arbornet.org (8.8.5/8.8.6) with SMTP id LAA20862 for ; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 11:09:00 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 11:08:59 -0500 (EST) From: Brian McCoy cc: "'dc-cycles'" Subject: RE: Helmet law in MD In-Reply-To: <11D743514607D011A15500805FEA3464A45E05@xcgva001.grumman.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Ummm.. There's no rear foot-pegs on either of my machines - and in other Areas, I'm the only one I'm worried about - each man/woman/child for themselves in that arena. (what a lousy grinch.. eh?) Brian On Fri, 16 Jan 1998, Meier, Christopher wrote: > Yes but do you have one for your passenger, er um, I mean Partner? > Brian P. McCoy - 86' VF500fg (street) - 92/94 RS125 (race) bmccoy@XXXXXX (work) (301)210-8000 x 2155 (work) bmccoy@XXXXXX (personal) (301)445-4451 (home) www.geocities.com\motorcity\1319 (OLD Homepage - view at your own risk) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 16 12:00:18 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA12030; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 12:00:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA18706; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 11:59:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from portal.visa.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA10133; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 11:59:52 -0500 (EST) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA09156 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Fri, 16 Jan 1998 08:59:50 -0800 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Fri, 16 Jan 1998 08:59:50 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Do Aerostich's melt? Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 09:01:15 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 13 TEXT >In order to get stuff large enough to go over my hips, they wind up a little long I have a variation on that scheme - Andy Goldfine (of AeroStitch fame) assumes that anyone as round as I am is MUCH taller. Tailoring is available with length adjustments in the hip to knee and knee to ankle lengths being made separately (similar for arms). The only thing is that once a suit is tailored, it's yours. They will be glad to send you a suit for sizing purposes, so you can try a stock size first. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 16 12:32:43 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA12508; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 12:32:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA22286; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 12:32:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from m-net.arbornet.org by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA11111; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 12:32:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (bmccoy@localhost) by m-net.arbornet.org (8.8.5/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA09841 for ; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 12:25:28 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 12:25:28 -0500 (EST) From: Brian McCoy To: DC-Cycles list Subject: MARRC Banquet Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Curious as to who's a MARRC member and going to the awards banquet tonight. I live on most peoples way and would love a free ride.. ;) Anyone got space for another? Thanks in advance. Brian P. McCoy - 86' VF500fg (street) - 92/94 RS125 (race) bmccoy@XXXXXX (work) (301)210-8000 x 2155 (work) bmccoy@XXXXXX (personal) (301)445-4451 (home) www.geocities.com\motorcity\1319 (OLD Homepage - view at your own risk) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 16 12:39:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA12675; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 12:39:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA22595; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 12:38:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA11340; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 12:38:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id MAA11339 for ; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 12:37:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid02.mcit.com [166.37.221.14]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id MAA00777 for ; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 12:37:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from LJTanner.mcit.com ([166.32.84.59]) by imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19980116173740.IWLM28757@XXXXXX> for ; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 11:37:40 -0600 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 12:37:38 -0500 Message-ID: <01BD227B.8798C5E0.linda.tanner@mci.com> From: Linda Tanner To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: Helmet law in MD Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 12:37:38 -0500 Organization: MCI Telecommunications X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----Original Message----- From: Brian McCoy [SMTP:bmccoy@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, January 16, 1998 9:47 AM To: jcarver@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Helmet law in MD You're not missing anything - Except MD put themselves in a nice little loop-hole trap with helmets - they stated that they would provide a list of all safe helmets but they have never done so - and any lawyer can get you off a 'Riding without Helmet' ticket with this simeple fact. Most cops don't even bother up here anymore (as far as I've heard). This is NOT from experience - I always wear a helmet (yes, even when showering, driving a cage and having sex.. :P) Brian On Fri, 16 Jan 1998 jcarver@XXXXXX wrote: > Am I missing something? I thought MD had a helmet law? -OR- was this > prior to that law? > > --John > Brian P. McCoy - 86' VF500fg (street) - 92/94 RS125 (race) bmccoy@XXXXXX (work) (301)210-8000 x 2155 (work) bmccoy@XXXXXX (personal) (301)445-4451 (home) www.geocities.com\motorcity\1319 (OLD Homepage - view at your own risk) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 16 13:16:44 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA13446; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 13:16:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA26329; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 13:16:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA12832; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 13:16:24 -0500 (EST) From: shephar1@XXXXXX Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id MAA09071; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 12:15:01 -0600 (CST) Received: from mar-wv2-03.ix.netcom.com(205.184.22.67) by dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma008971; Fri Jan 16 12:14:24 1998 Message-ID: <34BFB5F2.569E@ix.netcom.com> Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 11:33:06 -0800 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-NC320 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brian McCoy CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: MARRC Banquet References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Brian McCoy wrote: > > Curious as to who's a MARRC member and going to the awards banquet > tonight. I live on most peoples way and would love a free ride.. ;) > Anyone got space for another? Brian, I wont be attending the banquet Just for future ref, I just joined MARRC back in Dec, As a matter of fact just got my first Roadracing World yesterday. Will be taking the cornerworkers cschool in march. See ya soon, Ken S. Inwood WV From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 16 13:36:43 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA13783; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 13:36:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA26890; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 13:36:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from m-net.arbornet.org by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA13299; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 13:36:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (bmccoy@localhost) by m-net.arbornet.org (8.8.5/8.8.6) with SMTP id NAA20320 for ; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 13:22:37 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 13:22:36 -0500 (EST) From: Brian McCoy To: DC-Cycles list Subject: NY Cycle World MC show Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hey guys.. lets mee if I can post some more. This was asked once, about a months ago, but maybe someone has free time now - anyone interested in going to this show? It's the weekend of 23-25 - the 23rd is from noon-10pm, 24-25 is 8am-8pm (? I think). Looking for a car-pool at this time - to date there are 2 parties interested, and we both have Friday off - oh, an room for ourselves in the car only. So, if you want to go.. I hope you have a good size car.. *grin* or a Van, yea.. a mommy van - Leon? opps.. my, my.. I think they's pumping funny gas in through the vents...... Brian P. McCoy - 86' VF500fg (street) - 92/94 RS125 (race) bmccoy@XXXXXX (work) (301)210-8000 x 2155 (work) bmccoy@XXXXXX (personal) (301)445-4451 (home) www.geocities.com\motorcity\1319 (OLD Homepage - view at your own risk) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 16 13:38:50 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA13829; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 13:38:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA27221; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 13:38:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA13435; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 13:38:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.02c) id A90C18E0238; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 13:38:04 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980116104208.009cc140@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 10:42:08 -0500 To: From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Do Aerostich's melt? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:47 AM 1/16/98 -0500, tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX wrote: >The problem isn't me standing against the pipe, it's when I right. In >order to get stuff large enough to go over my hips, they wind up a little >long and they bag at my ankles. My one and only pipe is right there so the >bagging material touches the pipe. Someday it's going to do more than melt Indeed. That sounds like a potentially very hazardous condition. I wonder if you could rig up a wire guard or a heat shield. I wonder if there's any service bulletins or hidden warranties on it -- I bet someone else has had these problems, too. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 16 14:59:01 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA15420; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 14:59:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA29854; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 14:58:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from server4.illuminet.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA16246; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 14:58:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from illuminet.net (aln-63-182.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.182]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA06819; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 15:01:11 -0500 Message-ID: <34BFBBB1.4C5C49AD@illuminet.net> Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 14:57:37 -0500 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brian McCoy CC: DC-Cycles list Subject: Re: NY Cycle World MC show References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It's only 300 miles, why do you need a van? I'll be going up that way in February for the Crotona Midnight Run. I'll be on a bike. Back from St. Louis - yes I took the van (with the bike on the trailer), but I rode 800 miles on the bike while I was out there. Leon. Brian McCoy wrote: > Hey guys.. lets mee if I can post some more. This was asked once, about a > months ago, but maybe someone has free time now - anyone interested in > going to this show? It's the weekend of 23-25 - the 23rd is from > noon-10pm, 24-25 is 8am-8pm (? I think). Looking for a car-pool at this > time - to date there are 2 parties interested, and we both have Friday off > - oh, an room for ourselves in the car only. So, if you want to go.. I > hope you have a good size car.. *grin* or a Van, yea.. a mommy van - > Leon? opps.. my, my.. I think they's pumping funny gas in through the > vents...... > > Brian P. McCoy - 86' VF500fg (street) - 92/94 RS125 (race) > bmccoy@XXXXXX (work) (301)210-8000 x 2155 (work) > bmccoy@XXXXXX (personal) (301)445-4451 (home) > www.geocities.com\motorcity\1319 (OLD Homepage - view at your own risk) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 16 15:33:40 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA16056; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 15:33:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA01543; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 15:33:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from m-net.arbornet.org by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA17425; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 15:33:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (bmccoy@localhost) by m-net.arbornet.org (8.8.5/8.8.6) with SMTP id PAA12220 for ; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 15:09:31 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 15:09:31 -0500 (EST) From: Brian McCoy cc: DC-Cycles list Subject: Re: NY Cycle World MC show In-Reply-To: <34BFBBB1.4C5C49AD@illuminet.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Because we're hoping to have 4-5 people going.. and, I know you've never met me, I'm 6'4" - i like Leg room. On Fri, 16 Jan 1998, Leon Begeman wrote: > It's only 300 miles, why do you need a van? > I'll be going up that way in February for the Crotona Midnight Run. > I'll be on a bike. > Back from St. Louis - yes I took the van (with the bike on the trailer), but I > rode 800 miles on the bike while I was out there. > Leon. > Brian P. McCoy - 86' VF500fg (street) - 92/94 RS125 (race) bmccoy@XXXXXX (work) (301)210-8000 x 2155 (work) bmccoy@XXXXXX (personal) (301)445-4451 (home) www.geocities.com\motorcity\1319 (OLD Homepage - view at your own risk) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 16 15:52:25 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA16494; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 15:52:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA02145; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 15:52:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA18055; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 15:52:05 -0500 (EST) Received: by hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD2296.53EC5D40@XXXXXX>; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 15:49:28 -0500 Message-ID: From: To: Cc: Subject: RE: NY Cycle World MC show Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 15:49:26 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 35 TEXT Did you all ever consider the train? Used to ride the Amtrack to work everyday - it was comfortable, had a food car....Only went from Woodbridge to DC but still I know it continues on to NY - don't know any more than that. You can probably check it out on their web page if you are interested. M&Ms - The Only Year 2000 Compliant Candy "MM means Millenium" ---------- From: Brian McCoy[SMTP:bmccoy@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, January 16, 1998 3:09 PM Cc: DC-Cycles list Subject: Re: NY Cycle World MC show Because we're hoping to have 4-5 people going.. and, I know you've never met me, I'm 6'4" - i like Leg room. On Fri, 16 Jan 1998, Leon Begeman wrote: > It's only 300 miles, why do you need a van? > I'll be going up that way in February for the Crotona Midnight Run. > I'll be on a bike. > Back from St. Louis - yes I took the van (with the bike on the trailer), but I > rode 800 miles on the bike while I was out there. > Leon. > Brian P. McCoy - 86' VF500fg (street) - 92/94 RS125 (race) bmccoy@XXXXXX (work) (301)210-8000 x 2155 (work) bmccoy@XXXXXX (personal) (301)445-4451 (home) www.geocities.com\motorcity\1319 (OLD Homepage - view at your own risk) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 16 16:04:31 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA16697; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 16:04:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA02350; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 16:04:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA18415; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 16:04:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id QAA27070; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 16:03:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid01.mcit.com [166.37.221.13]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id QAA15775; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 16:03:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19980116210331.LEBW215@[166.41.242.141]>; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 15:03:31 -0600 Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 15:54 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: CC: , Subject: RE: NY Cycle World MC show X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980116210331.LEBW215@[166.41.242.141]> It's expensive and slow. I rode it one time (back in 1990) and I seem to recall the rt ticket was around $150, and it took around 6 hours. So many stops. Of course you could do the express....more $$ Todd Message-ID: From: To: Cc: Subject: RE: NY Cycle World MC show Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 15:49:26 -0500 Encoding: 35 TEXT Did you all ever consider the train? Used to ride the Amtrack to work everyday - it was comfortable, had a food car....Only went from Woodbridge to DC but still I know it continues on to NY - don't know any more than that. You can probably check it out on their web page if you are interested. M&Ms - The Only Year 2000 Compliant Candy "MM means Millenium" ---------- From: Brian McCoy[SMTP:bmccoy@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, January 16, 1998 3:09 PM Cc: DC-Cycles list Subject: Re: NY Cycle World MC show Because we're hoping to have 4-5 people going.. and, I know you've never met me, I'm 6'4" - i like Leg room. On Fri, 16 Jan 1998, Leon Begeman wrote: > It's only 300 miles, why do you need a van? > I'll be going up that way in February for the Crotona Midnight Run. > I'll be on a bike. > Back from St. Louis - yes I took the van (with the bike on the trailer), but I > rode 800 miles on the bike while I was out there. > Leon. > Brian P. McCoy - 86' VF500fg (street) - 92/94 RS125 (race) bmccoy@XXXXXX (work) (301)210-8000 x 2155 (work) bmccoy@XXXXXX (personal) (301)445-4451 (home) www.geocities.com\motorcity\1319 (OLD Homepage - view at your own risk) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 16 16:17:06 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA16916; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 16:17:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA02507; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 16:16:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA18784; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 16:16:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com by mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (8.8.8/McCaw V8 version 1) id NAA02177; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 13:16:19 -0800 (PST) Received: by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id NAA04162; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 13:16:16 -0800 Received: from hq-msg01.nwest.mccaw.com by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id NAA04110; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 13:16:09 -0800 Received: by hq-msg01.nwest.mccaw.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD2280.E1BB03D0@XXXXXX>; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 13:15:57 -0800 Message-ID: From: "Viteri, Ursulina" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: NY Cycle World MC show Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 13:12:14 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 65 TEXT Ewww, I didn't know it was that expensive to ride the train up there. Ursulina Viteri 202-416-6534 * Fax 202-223-9095 AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. - Washington, DC >-----Original Message----- >From: Todd Peer [SMTP:Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX] >Sent: Friday, January 16, 1998 12:54 PM >To: tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX >Cc: bmccoy@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: RE: NY Cycle World MC show > > >It's expensive and slow. I rode it one time (back in 1990) and I seem >to recall the rt ticket was around $150, and it took around 6 hours. >So many stops. Of course you could do the express....more $$ > >Todd > > >Message-ID: > >From: >To: >Cc: >Subject: RE: NY Cycle World MC show >Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 15:49:26 -0500 >Encoding: 35 TEXT > >Did you all ever consider the train? Used to ride the Amtrack to work >everyday - it was comfortable, had a food car....Only went from Woodbridge >to DC but still I know it continues on to NY - don't know any more than >that. You can probably check it out on their web page if you are >interested. >M&Ms - The Only Year 2000 Compliant Candy > "MM means Millenium" > >---------- >From: Brian McCoy[SMTP:bmccoy@XXXXXX] >Sent: Friday, January 16, 1998 3:09 PM >Cc: DC-Cycles list >Subject: Re: NY Cycle World MC show > >Because we're hoping to have 4-5 people going.. and, I know you've never >met me, I'm 6'4" - i like Leg room. > >On Fri, 16 Jan 1998, Leon Begeman wrote: > >> It's only 300 miles, why do you need a van? >> I'll be going up that way in February for the Crotona Midnight Run. >> I'll be on a bike. >> Back from St. Louis - yes I took the van (with the bike on the trailer), >but I >> rode 800 miles on the bike while I was out there. >> Leon. >> > >Brian P. McCoy - 86' VF500fg (street) - 92/94 RS125 (race) >bmccoy@XXXXXX (work) (301)210-8000 x 2155 (work) >bmccoy@XXXXXX (personal) (301)445-4451 (home) >www.geocities.com\motorcity\1319 (OLD Homepage - view at your own risk) > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 16 16:26:14 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA17013; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 16:26:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA02629; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 16:26:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA19020; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 16:26:00 -0500 (EST) From: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX Received: by ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com(Lotus SMTP MTA SMTP v4.6 (462.2 9-3-1997)) id 8525658E.007597E6 ; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 16:24:25 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMSINC To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <8525658E.00748CE0.00@ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com> Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 16:24:42 -0500 Subject: RE: NY Cycle World MC show Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; Boundary="0__=j2JHIpH8rEyQnZewQZ5EI6rvF6dzs78wiktnEV5mTkovYEuYMKRurS7c" --0__=j2JHIpH8rEyQnZewQZ5EI6rvF6dzs78wiktnEV5mTkovYEuYMKRurS7c Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The train costs $75 each way from Union Station to NYC Penn Station on the weekends, and $66 on the weekdays (for the Northeast Direct, not the Metroliner, which is more). Travel time is approximately 3.5 hours. The Peter Pan bus makes the same trip, and has express busses that'll get you here for around $50 roundtrip in 4 hours 10 minutes. Not a huge amount of leg room, though, so the horkster might not be up for this one :-) Just FYI from a frequent NYC-DC traveller... -Doug douglas_brashear@XXXXXX (Embedded image moved at AMS-Internet to file: 01/16/98 04:03 PM PIC32661.PCX) To: bmccoy @ m-net.arbornet.org at AMS-Internet@CCMAIL cc: dc-cycles @ cs.umd.edu at AMS-Internet@CCMAIL (bcc: Douglas Brashear/AMS/AMSINC) Subject: RE: NY Cycle World MC show Did you all ever consider the train? Used to ride the Amtrack to work everyday - it was comfortable, had a food car....Only went from Woodbridge to DC but still I know it continues on to NY - don't know any more than that. You can probably check it out on their web page if you are interested. M&Ms - The Only Year 2000 Compliant Candy "MM means Millenium" ---------- From: Brian McCoy[SMTP:bmccoy@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, January 16, 1998 3:09 PM Cc: DC-Cycles list Subject: Re: NY Cycle World MC show Because we're hoping to have 4-5 people going.. and, I know you've never met me, I'm 6'4" - i like Leg room. On Fri, 16 Jan 1998, Leon Begeman wrote: > It's only 300 miles, why do you need a van? > I'll be going up that way in February for the Crotona Midnight Run. > I'll be on a bike. > Back from St. Louis - yes I took the van (with the bike on the trailer), but I > rode 800 miles on the bike while I was out there. > Leon. > Brian P. 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Probably will head back late Sat eve to avoid Hotels. I am taking my PickMeUp. If somebody wants to chill in back (it's an extended cab), or really chill (6.5 bed lots o' leg room) let me know. Charles L. Rosen, MD, PhD ------------------------------------------------------------------ Department of Neurosurgery | 4940 Ashby Street, NW George Washington University | Washington, DC 20007 ACC Bldg, 7th Floor | (202) 337-0745 2150 Pennsylvania Avenue | crosen@XXXXXX Washington DC, 20037 | Pager: (202) 994-3321 | ------------------------------------------------------------------ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 17 00:33:28 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA22642; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 00:33:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA08941; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 00:33:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA27745; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 00:33:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.100] (unverified [207.226.128.100]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 00:37:21 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Helmet law in MD Date: Sat, 17 Jan 98 00:32:29 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Am I missing something? I thought MD had a helmet law? -OR- was this >prior to that law? Last I heard, the MD helmet law was up for judicial review. Seems or inane lawmakers put in something where we have to wear a helmet from a state approved list. Guess who never came up with a list? Oh, and the original judge who tossed the law was from St. Mary's County. Deebygawd! -George From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 17 01:13:12 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA22887; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 01:13:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA09501; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 01:13:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA28256; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 01:12:59 -0500 (EST) From: WantA ZX6 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 01:12:49 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Helmet law in MD Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) In a message dated 98-01-17 00:37:14 EST, you write: << >Am I missing something? I thought MD had a helmet law? -OR- was this >prior to that law? < Last I heard, the MD helmet law was up for judicial review. Seems or inane lawmakers put in something where we have to wear a helmet from a state approved list. Guess who never came up with a list? Oh, and the original judge who tossed the law was from St. Mary's County.> WAIT WAIT WAIT!!! Did I miss something? Do you mean that MD doesnt have a helmet law? (not that I would ever ride without one....just very curious) Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 17 04:33:59 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA24378; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 04:33:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA10493; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 04:33:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA00249; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 04:33:40 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id EAA18854; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 04:29:29 -0500 Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 04:25:22 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: BMW Police Bikes To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 16 Jan 1998, George Howell wrote: > According to Steve at Morton's BMW, the wire spoked wheels are stronger > and lighter than the cast ones. I'd believe that only cause I've heard about late-model Beemers having fragile rims.Lots of 'em getting bent from potholes. > And they can still use tubeless tires. Yep.Beemer learned that if you lace the spokes outside the tire bead you don't need a tube.I think the first bike they did this on was the GS. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 17 09:05:25 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA25525; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 09:05:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA12234; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 09:05:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp2.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA02109; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 09:04:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from michael-a.-cruz (spg-tnt22s134.erols.com [207.172.45.134]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA07587 for ; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 09:04:58 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: "Michael Cruz" From: "Michael Cruz" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: Motorcycle Theme for PLUS! Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 09:15:20 -0500 Message-ID: <01bd2352$57e110a0$862daccf@michael-a.-cruz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Hi All! Does anybody out there have a motorcycle theme for PLUS! Or does anybody have motorcycle WAV or icon files? I'ld like to create a desktop theme if doesn't exist out there. Thanks in advance!! Mike Cruz :) cruzman@XXXXXX www.erols.com/cruzman From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 17 09:31:18 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA25659; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 09:31:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA13324; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 09:31:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA02275; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 09:31:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from krosenba.erols.com (man-as4s04.erols.com [207.172.73.195]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA13018; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 09:34:35 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980117092839.007d4900@pop.erols.com> X-Sender: krosenba@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 09:28:39 -0500 To: "Michael Cruz" , "DC Cycles" From: Karl Rosenbaum Subject: Re: Motorcycle Theme for PLUS! In-Reply-To: <01bd2352$57e110a0$862daccf@michael-a.-cruz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:15 AM 01/17/1998 -0500, Michael Cruz wrote: >Does anybody out there have a motorcycle theme for PLUS! Or does anybody have >motorcycle WAV or icon files? I'ld like to create a desktop theme if doesn't >exist out there. I have one that is for BMW MC's. But I doubt that you would want that. It is pretty neat. I am sure there are others out there, but I don't know where to look. Karl Rosenbaum 88 BMW K100LT "grandpa" Woodbridge, VA http://www.erols.com/krosenba From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 17 18:07:20 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA00089; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 18:07:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA22515; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 18:06:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA08279; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 18:06:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.141] (unverified [207.226.128.141]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 17:54:26 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Helmet law in MD Date: Sat, 17 Jan 98 17:49:31 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "WantA ZX6" , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >WAIT WAIT WAIT!!! Did I miss something? Do you mean that MD doesnt have a >helmet law? (not that I would ever ride without one....just very curious) Last I heard (a few months ago) is that it is up for judicial review, due to the poor wording. -George From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 17 18:13:06 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA00164; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 18:13:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA22554; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 18:13:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA08331; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 18:12:58 -0500 (EST) From: Jinn Sinn Message-ID: <2f1e9e3a.34c13ace@aol.com> Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 18:12:12 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Pillion riders: Joke -long- Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part0_885078732_boundary" Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_885078732_boundary Content-ID: <0_885078732@XXXXXX> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII >From my CB-1 listserv............marcy In a message dated 98-01-17 03:40:41 EST, vanhorne@XXXXXX writes: << > A Biker's Guide to Pillions: > You know how it is when you eye up a fresh pillion, intending to > indulge in consenting motorcycling with them - you wonder what it'll be > like, how you'll cope with that special close contact, whether you'll > enjoy it, whether they'll respect you afterwards. All too often your > enthusiasm gets the better of you when you go for it, and your pillion > slaps you, shrieking "I'm not that kind of pillion!", and it seems that > the problem is really not knowing what kind of pillion you actually are > facing - well, to help you out in this matter, here's the Guide to > Pillions. > > > Fork Bottomer > > FB, aka Fat Bastard, sits like a sack of potatoes on your > overstressed bike. Helps you pull monster wheelies though, even on > C90's. But watch out you don't get pulled off too. If you do get pulled > off, though, you get a guaranteed soft landing, and the pleasure of > flattening the FB. > > Flyweight > > Delightful. You don't notice they're there. Occasionally pound at > your back when you're really enjoying yourself 'cos you've forgotten > they're there. Worth checking to see if they're still there now and > then; you may have dropped them at the lights. The > looking-over-the-shoulder routine you're taught to have as a reflex > proves invaluable with these pillions. > > Petrified > > These pillions are the best. They remain frozen with fear and you > forget they're there. Take a crowbar with you to prise them off the seat > afterwards though. > > Terrified > > These are a challenge. Unlike Petrified, Terrified moves all over > the place, counter-leaning in corners, clenching their buttocks and > squirming on their seat as you filter through traffic, emitting pitiful > cries of unhappiness as you blast off from the lights... truly annoying. > Cure by applying more terror until they become Petrified. > > Indifferent > > Not impressed by the smoothest corners, the beefiest blast offs, the > wildest of wheelies and the most perceptive, prescient and pre-emptive > of roadcraft; this pillion knows no fear either. Riders are mystified by > this one, though theories abound. > > Asleep > > Like Indifferent, but with the reason that this pillion is dozing > off. Occasionally wakes up with a sudden movement or falls off. Cure > with coffee, or letting them fall off. Or try and be less enthusiastic > in bed the night before with your pillion, if that's the cause. > > Backseat driver > > Type A: Non-vocal > > Usually people with their own bike who're scrounging a lift off you. > They send useful feedback about your riding style, mostly non-verbal > (eg clutching you really hard just when you're really enjoying a > corner). > > Warning: If this pillion expects you to take a turning you will find > your bike is heading that way regardless of your own wishes, just > because the pillion has leant that way. Very disconcerting. > > Type B: Vocal > > Gives a running commentary of everybody and everything on the road - > eg: "Bastard! Try using your indicators, fat-arse Jaguar!", "Leaf > litter!", "Golly, what a pothole!" "AGGH! Volvo Battlecruiser in sight!" > Takes a while to get rid of the feeling that your mind has developed an > echo. Mildly disconcerting, then you get used to it. > > No-Way-Am-I-Gay > > If the pilot's a bloke, and the pillion is too, this personality > trait sometimes shows up in the pillion: The pillion tries perching as > far away from the bloke in front as is feasible, keeping hands off the > pilot. No-Way-Am-I-Gay ocassionally falls off under acceleration, but > prefers that to being thought gay. Will kick your head in if you tell him >he's insecure (even though you only meant he'll find it hard to stay on). >> --part0_885078732_boundary Content-ID: <0_885078732@XXXXXX> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from relay19.mail.aol.com (relay19.mail.aol.com [172.31.106.65]) by air05.mail.aol.com (v37.8) with SMTP; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 03:40:40 -0500 Received: from bodhi.dorje.com (inet-gw.dorje.com [199.45.131.14]) by relay19.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with ESMTP id DAA06004; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 03:40:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from bodhi (localhost.dorje.com [127.0.0.1]) by bodhi.dorje.com (8.7.1/8.6.9) with SMTP id BAA10553; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 01:36:09 -0700 (MST) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 01:36:09 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: Errors-To: christop@XXXXXX Reply-To: cb-1@XXXXXX Originator: cb-1@XXXXXX Sender: cb-1@XXXXXX Precedence: bulk From: vanhorne To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Pillion riders: Joke -long- X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Honda CB-1 motorcycle owners list X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I saved this from the 2 stroke list from long ago. Appologies to Bryndyn, who's probably seen it before: > A Biker's Guide to Pillions: > You know how it is when you eye up a fresh pillion, intending to > indulge in consenting motorcycling with them - you wonder what it'll be > like, how you'll cope with that special close contact, whether you'll > enjoy it, whether they'll respect you afterwards. All too often your > enthusiasm gets the better of you when you go for it, and your pillion > slaps you, shrieking "I'm not that kind of pillion!", and it seems that > the problem is really not knowing what kind of pillion you actually are > facing - well, to help you out in this matter, here's the Guide to > Pillions. > > > Fork Bottomer > > FB, aka Fat Bastard, sits like a sack of potatoes on your > overstressed bike. Helps you pull monster wheelies though, even on > C90's. But watch out you don't get pulled off too. If you do get pulled > off, though, you get a guaranteed soft landing, and the pleasure of > flattening the FB. > > Flyweight > > Delightful. You don't notice they're there. Occasionally pound at > your back when you're really enjoying yourself 'cos you've forgotten > they're there. Worth checking to see if they're still there now and > then; you may have dropped them at the lights. The > looking-over-the-shoulder routine you're taught to have as a reflex > proves invaluable with these pillions. > > Petrified > > These pillions are the best. They remain frozen with fear and you > forget they're there. Take a crowbar with you to prise them off the seat > afterwards though. > > Terrified > > These are a challenge. Unlike Petrified, Terrified moves all over > the place, counter-leaning in corners, clenching their buttocks and > squirming on their seat as you filter through traffic, emitting pitiful > cries of unhappiness as you blast off from the lights... truly annoying. > Cure by applying more terror until they become Petrified.

> > Indifferent > > Not impressed by the smoothest corners, the beefiest blast offs, the > wildest of wheelies and the most perceptive, prescient and pre-emptive > of roadcraft; this pillion knows no fear either. Riders are mystified by > this one, though theories abound. > > Asleep > > Like Indifferent, but with the reason that this pillion is dozing > off. Occasionally wakes up with a sudden movement or falls off. Cure > with coffee, or letting them fall off. Or try and be less enthusiastic > in bed the night before with your pillion, if that's the cause. > > Backseat driver > > Type A: Non-vocal > > Usually people with their own bike who're scrounging a lift off you. > They send useful feedback about your riding style, mostly non-verbal > (eg clutching you really hard just when you're really enjoying a > corner). > > Warning: If this pillion expects you to take a turning you will find > your bike is heading that way regardless of your own wishes, just > because the pillion has leant that way. Very disconcerting. > > Type B: Vocal > > Gives a running commentary of everybody and everything on the road - > eg: "Bastard! Try using your indicators, fat-arse Jaguar!", "Leaf > litter!", "Golly, what a pothole!" "AGGH! Volvo Battlecruiser in sight!" > Takes a while to get rid of the feeling that your mind has developed an > echo. Mildly disconcerting, then you get used to it. > > No-Way-Am-I-Gay > > If the pilot's a bloke, and the pillion is too, this personality > trait sometimes shows up in the pillion: The pillion tries perching as > far away from the bloke in front as is feasible, keeping hands off the > pilot. No-Way-Am-I-Gay ocassionally falls off under acceleration, but > prefers that to being thought gay. Will kick your head in if you tell him >he's insecure (even though you only meant he'll find it hard to stay on). > >Well, this guide has now covered the main categories of pillion - > learn from it, and may you and your pillion be blessed with many, many > happy miles together! Sorry, don't know who to credit. I hope it hits the cb-1 funny-bone. Carl nw b.c. Canada --part0_885078732_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jan 18 00:40:08 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA04115; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 00:40:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA26316; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 00:39:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA12569; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 00:39:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-17.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.58]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA03029 for ; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 00:39:41 -0500 Message-ID: <009501bd23d3$b2178780$3a10b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "Dc Cycles" Subject: NY show web site Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 00:41:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0090_01BD23A9.C54AC9E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0090_01BD23A9.C54AC9E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Haven't seen this posted yet, so . . . Web site for 23-25 NY Cycle World = Show. Lots of good info, like discounts. =20 (Note hours shown are different from those on a previous post -- F = 12-10; Sa 10-10; Su 10-7.) http://www.advanstar-expos.com/powersports/nymot96.htm=20 =20 Bill Swanson 96 Vulcan 500 LTD Downtown DC AMA, + ------=_NextPart_000_0090_01BD23A9.C54AC9E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Haven't seen this posted yet, so . . = . Web site=20 for 23-25 NY Cycle World Show.  Lots of good info, like = discounts. =20
    (Note hours shown = are=20 different from those on a previous post -- F 12-10; Sa 10-10; Su=20 10-7.)
 
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Bill Swanson
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------=_NextPart_000_0090_01BD23A9.C54AC9E0-- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 19 12:20:37 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA23064; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 12:20:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA18547; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 12:19:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA08544; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 12:19:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from default ([12.68.75.130]) by mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA29718; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 17:19:00 +0000 Reply-To: "kevin thomas" From: "kevin thomas" To: "dc-cycles" Cc: "krista" Subject: anybody wash their bike this weekend? Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 12:15:40 -0500 Message-ID: <01bd24fd$de59e100$824b440c@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Hey, y'all-- I'm really just checking the server, 'cause I haven't gotten any mail. _Somebody_ ought to have ridden this weekend. Mine still doesn't run, and I didn't wash it either........... Later Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 19 13:03:51 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA23680; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 13:03:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA21344; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 13:03:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from m-net.arbornet.org by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA09327; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 13:03:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (bmccoy@localhost) by m-net.arbornet.org (8.8.5/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA03012 for ; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 12:49:07 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 12:49:06 -0500 (EST) From: Brian McCoy cc: dc-cycles Subject: Re: anybody wash their bike this weekend? In-Reply-To: <01bd24fd$de59e100$824b440c@default> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I washed the RS in Kerosene, that's after tearing it into little, itty bitty pieces. It's clean, and no cracks as far as I could tell.. I didn't ride - though I'm sitting here looking out at the snow flakes wondering why I rode today... BTW - I hate my job today. On Mon, 19 Jan 1998, kevin thomas wrote: > Hey, y'all-- > > I'm really just checking the server, 'cause I haven't gotten any mail. > _Somebody_ ought to have ridden this weekend. Mine still doesn't run, and I > didn't wash it either........... > > Later > Kevin > > He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. > Brian P. McCoy - 86' VF500fg (street) - 92/94 RS125 (race) bmccoy@XXXXXX (work) (301)210-8000 x 2155 (work) bmccoy@XXXXXX (personal) (301)445-4451 (home) www.geocities.com\motorcity\1319 (OLD Homepage - view at your own risk) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 19 13:21:20 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA23920; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 13:21:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA22398; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 13:20:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from iconmail.bellatlantic.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA09652; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 13:20:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from my-workstation (client196-127-59.bellatlantic.net [151.196.127.59]) by iconmail.bellatlantic.net (IConNet Sendmail) with SMTP id NAA18100; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 13:20:50 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980119131834.00739db0@postoffice.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: true911@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 13:18:34 -0500 To: Brian McCoy From: "Mark E. Truelove" Subject: Re: anybody wash their bike this weekend? Cc: dc-cycles In-Reply-To: References: <01bd24fd$de59e100$824b440c@default> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sure, but how come you never tell us on the days you _love_ your job? I feel neglected. :) MET At 12:49 PM 1/19/98 -0500, Brian McCoy wrote: >BTW - I hate my job today. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark E. Truelove (true@XXXXXX) http://www.clark.net/pub/pooh/ Polaris Technology Group http://www.angelfire.com/biz/polaristech/ Placement Specialists: SAP PeopleSoft Notes Fiber-Optics NT UNIX DBs ======================================================================= From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 19 13:22:03 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA23939; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 13:22:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA22471; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 13:21:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA09658; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 13:21:53 -0500 (EST) Received: by hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD24DC.D35ACBF0@XXXXXX>; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 13:19:09 -0500 Message-ID: From: To: Subject: RE: anybody wash their bike this weekend? Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 13:19:07 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 31 TEXT Won't be riding here, either. The husband got me a throttle lock and broke the throttle putting it on. Gonna have to wait for parts - couple of days . I'm glad the weather sucks! Tracy M&Ms - The Only Year 2000 Compliant Candy "MM means Millenium" ---------- From: kevin thomas[SMTP:klthomas@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, January 19, 1998 12:15 PM To: dc-cycles Cc: krista Subject: anybody wash their bike this weekend? Hey, y'all-- I'm really just checking the server, 'cause I haven't gotten any mail. _Somebody_ ought to have ridden this weekend. Mine still doesn't run, and I didn't wash it either........... Later Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 19 14:01:32 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA24583; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 14:01:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA23744; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 14:00:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from m-net.arbornet.org by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA10291; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 14:00:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (bmccoy@localhost) by m-net.arbornet.org (8.8.5/8.8.6) with SMTP id NAA15101 for ; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 13:53:50 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 13:53:49 -0500 (EST) From: Brian McCoy To: DC-Cycles list Subject: good day.. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I'll have a good day at work this Friday.... seeing as I'm not working. I had a good day at work yesterday, tearing apart my RS125, not at the office (though it would be cool to have that sitting in the middle of my cube!). Hrm, I wonder if I could get my VF in the elivator to the 2nd floor.. I'd like to park it inside on days like today.. you know, nothing but the best for our bikes. While I'm blabering - anyone want to loan me about $3K? I need a new toy, My RS is fun and all - but I want something nice to play arround with for the street too.. a nice streetfighter looking bike. No fairing, twin headlights, flat bars - a wild paintjob.. maybe a dash of NOS gas.. and a set of leathers for when I toss it down the road like the squid I am. Brian P. McCoy - 86' VF500fg (street) - 92/94 RS125 (race) bmccoy@XXXXXX (work) (301)210-8000 x 2155 (work) bmccoy@XXXXXX (personal) (301)445-4451 (home) www.geocities.com\motorcity\1319 (OLD Homepage - view at your own risk) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 19 18:06:19 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA25083; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 14:42:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA26516; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 14:42:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA10887; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 14:42:00 -0500 (EST) From: bmccoy@XXXXXX Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id OAA06809 for ; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 14:31:43 -0500 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma006800; Mon, 19 Jan 98 14:31:15 -0500 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id OAA21739 for ; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 14:31:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.10.00) id AA885238088; Mon, 19 Jan 98 14:28:14 -0500 Message-Id: <9801198852.AA885238088@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.10.00 Date: Mon, 19 Jan 98 11:11:50 -0500 To: Subject: ... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: "cc:Mail Note Part" gotta love working in an industry where there are no days off.. ever. And gotta love riding a motorcycle to work on days when it snows (after you get to work of course) - Maybe I'll be lucky enough to freshen up my ice riding skills... just venting.. anyone else working today? Brian From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 19 18:06:20 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA25167; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 14:56:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA27950; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 14:55:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA11124; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 14:55:54 -0500 (EST) Received: by hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD24E9.F76C1F00@XXXXXX>; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 14:53:13 -0500 Message-ID: From: To: , Subject: RE: ... Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 14:53:11 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 31 TEXT Very much so....Whatcha working on? Me - working on going through a list of UNIX software that may or may not be loaded somewhere in the part of Lockheed Martin I work to determine it's Y2K status by the end of this month plus preparing for an internal ISO 9001 audit at the beginning of next month. And you hate your work! Tracy M&Ms - The Only Year 2000 Compliant Candy "MM means Millenium" ---------- From: bmccoy@XXXXXX[SMTP:bmccoy@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, January 19, 1998 11:11 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: ... gotta love working in an industry where there are no days off.. ever. And gotta love riding a motorcycle to work on days when it snows (after you get to work of course) - Maybe I'll be lucky enough to freshen up my ice riding skills... just venting.. anyone else working today? Brian From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 19 18:06:21 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA25210; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 15:07:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA28359; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 15:06:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from att.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA11300; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 15:05:50 -0500 (EST) From: mdow@XXXXXX Received: by cagw1.att.com; Mon Jan 19 14:59 EST 1998 Received: from dcn.dcn.att.com (dcn.dcn.att.com [135.44.192.113]) by caig1.att.att.com (AT&T/GW-1.0) with SMTP id OAA16568 for ; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 14:55:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from dcn72.dcn.att.com by dcn.dcn.att.com with SMTP id AA22767 (5.67c/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 19 Jan 1998 15:06:20 -0500 Received: by dcn72.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD24EB.DD417150@XXXXXX>; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 15:06:48 -0500 Message-Id: To: , Subject: RE: Unsubscribe Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 15:06:47 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The address is: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX. >---------- >From: Varouxis_Lisa_G@XXXXXX[SMTP:Varouxis_Lisa_G@XXXXXX] >Sent: Monday, January 19, 1998 2:50 PM >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Unsubscribe > >I know, I know...this is not the way to unsubscribe. My home pc >crashed and I've lost the address for unsubscribing to the list. Would >someone be kind enough to post it one more time for my benefit? > >Thanks - > >Lisa V. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 19 18:06:22 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA25220; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 15:07:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA28407; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 15:07:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from att.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA11323; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 15:07:32 -0500 (EST) From: mdow@XXXXXX Received: by cagw1.att.com; Mon Jan 19 15:01 EST 1998 Received: from dcn.dcn.att.com (dcn.dcn.att.com [135.44.192.113]) by caig1.att.att.com (AT&T/GW-1.0) with SMTP id OAA17396 for ; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 14:57:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from dcn72.dcn.att.com by dcn.dcn.att.com with SMTP id AA22853 (5.67c/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 19 Jan 1998 15:08:21 -0500 Received: by dcn72.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD24EC.25192A90@XXXXXX>; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 15:08:48 -0500 Message-Id: To: Subject: RE: ... Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 15:08:47 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yup. But at least I'm getting O/T. One of these days it will only be cold, not cold AND wet, and I'll ride in. Until then, it's the Jeep! -Sash >---------- >From: bmccoy@XXXXXX[SMTP:bmccoy@XXXXXX] >Sent: Monday, January 19, 1998 11:11 AM >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: ... > > > gotta love working in an industry where there are no days off.. ever. > And gotta love riding a motorcycle to work on days when it snows > (after you get to work of course) - Maybe I'll be lucky enough to > freshen up my ice riding skills... > > just venting.. anyone else working today? > > Brian > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 19 18:06:23 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA25157; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 14:54:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA27821; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 14:53:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA11086; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 14:53:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com by mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (8.8.8/McCaw V8 version 1) id LAA03256; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 11:53:10 -0800 (PST) Received: by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id LAA09969; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 11:53:10 -0800 Received: from hq_msg01.nwest.mccaw.com by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id LAA09960; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 11:53:08 -0800 Received: by hq_msg01.nwest.mccaw.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD24D0.C8FEA110@XXXXXX>; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 11:52:58 -0800 Message-ID: From: "Viteri, Ursulina" To: "'bmccoy@XXXXXX'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: ... Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 11:49:08 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 23 TEXT I'm here, but I'm not really working. Does that count? Ursulina Viteri 202-416-6534 * Fax 202-223-9095 AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. - Washington, DC >-----Original Message----- >From: bmccoy@XXXXXX [SMTP:bmccoy@XXXXXX] >Sent: Monday, January 19, 1998 8:12 AM >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: ... > > > gotta love working in an industry where there are no days off.. ever. > And gotta love riding a motorcycle to work on days when it snows > (after you get to work of course) - Maybe I'll be lucky enough to > freshen up my ice riding skills... > > just venting.. anyone else working today? > > Brian > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 19 18:38:06 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA00982; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 18:38:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA04074; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 18:37:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA14308; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 18:37:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.121] (unverified [207.226.128.121]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 18:40:27 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: anybody wash their bike this weekend? Date: Mon, 19 Jan 98 18:35:47 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "kevin thomas" , "dc-cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >I'm really just checking the server, 'cause I haven't gotten any mail. >_Somebody_ ought to have ridden this weekend. Mine still doesn't run, and I >didn't wash it either........... Didn't wash it. Pulled off rear tire and am trying to find money for a new one (thought I had it. Now I don't:( -George From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 19 18:38:10 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA00987; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 18:38:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA04070; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 18:37:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA14303; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 18:37:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.121] (unverified [207.226.128.121]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 18:40:24 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: ... Date: Mon, 19 Jan 98 18:35:45 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >just venting.. anyone else working today? Of course. Many of us in private industry are (were) slaving away today. And to top it off, some of us don't have internet access from work either:( -George From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 19 18:46:59 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA01084; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 18:46:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA00521; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 17:13:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA13099; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 17:13:25 -0500 (EST) From: WantA ZX6 Message-ID: <8cacbfee.34c3cdbe@aol.com> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 17:03:38 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: ... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) In a message dated 98-01-19 15:00:14 EST, you write: << Very much so....Whatcha working on? Me - working on going through a list of UNIX software that may or may not be loaded somewhere in the part of Lockheed Martin I work to determine it's Y2K status by the end of this month plus preparing for an internal ISO 9001 audit at the beginning of next month. >> Thank God!! A fellow computer nerd! Thought I was all alone. (By the way, I work for the gov't so Im at home ) Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 19 19:03:15 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA01228; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 19:03:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA04390; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 19:03:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA14697; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 19:02:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id SAA07321; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 18:01:51 -0600 (CST) Received: from mar-wv7-07.ix.netcom.com(205.184.22.135) by dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma007297; Mon Jan 19 18:01:16 1998 Message-ID: <34C3FB7A.A84@ix.netcom.com> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 17:18:50 -0800 From: "Ken S." Reply-To: shephar1@XXXXXX Organization: Ride forever X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-NC320 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: xl-list@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: HOT XL Magazine, Issue # 5?? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Has any one gotten an issue of Hot XL magazine after the Autumn 1997 issue.I have the Autumn issue, Supposedly # 4 which says on sale until 12/16. I have not ever received an issue, Winter or otherwise after that. Anyone else ever find or get Issue number 5, the Winter 98 issue. Ken S. 96 XLH1200 Inwood WV From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 19 23:28:19 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA03628; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 23:28:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA07324; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 23:27:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from iconmail.bellatlantic.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA18440; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 23:27:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from my-workstation (client196-127-203.bellatlantic.net [151.196.127.203]) by iconmail.bellatlantic.net (IConNet Sendmail) with SMTP id XAA24038 for ; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 23:27:52 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980119232344.00c3a994@postoffice.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: true911@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 23:23:44 -0500 To: From: "Mark E. Truelove" Subject: Working? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I was working, but not really here. :) MET ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark E. Truelove (true@XXXXXX) http://www.clark.net/pub/pooh/ Polaris Technology Group http://www.angelfire.com/biz/polaristech/ Placement Specialists: SAP PeopleSoft Notes Fiber-Optics NT UNIX DBs ======================================================================= From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 20 00:56:15 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA05153; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 00:56:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA09261; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 00:55:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA19823; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 00:55:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.124] (unverified [207.226.128.124]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 00:59:24 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: home furnishings Date: Tue, 20 Jan 98 00:54:38 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Last weekend removed the rear wheel from the Beemer (required removal of caliper, BTW) and it is now sitting in my dining room (which has no other furniture). Seems the person I am living with (female, of course) objects to such a situation. I ask you, a jury of my peers, how could anyone find fault with this state of affairs? ``` (o o) *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| *--------------------------oooO------------* |__||__| || || ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 20 06:21:43 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA07146; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 06:21:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA12640; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 06:21:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA23194; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 06:21:13 -0500 (EST) Received: by hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD256B.3992EAE0@XXXXXX>; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 06:18:29 -0500 Message-ID: From: To: , Subject: RE: ... Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 06:18:27 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 16 TEXT How do you survive? I have access from home, work, and anywhere I go. Can't live without my e-mail.. ---------- From: George Howell[SMTP:ghowell@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, January 19, 1998 6:35 PM To: bmccoy@XXXXXX; DC Cycles Subject: Re: ... >just venting.. anyone else working today? Of course. Many of us in private industry are (were) slaving away today. And to top it off, some of us don't have internet access from work either:( -George From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 20 06:25:55 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA07152; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 06:25:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA12712; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 06:25:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA23235; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 06:25:48 -0500 (EST) Received: by hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD256B.E243BB60@XXXXXX>; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 06:23:12 -0500 Message-ID: From: To: Cc: Subject: RE: home furnishings Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 06:23:11 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 32 TEXT Well, coming from someone who has let her husband dry and warm up his bike's gas tank in her oven - I can see why she would object. It's probably the smell. Bikes are great but they smell - sort of like pets if you have them. It's probably the smell she objects to - get a Plug In for the room. ---------- From: George Howell[SMTP:ghowell@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 1998 12:54 AM To: DC Cycles Subject: home furnishings Last weekend removed the rear wheel from the Beemer (required removal of caliper, BTW) and it is now sitting in my dining room (which has no other furniture). Seems the person I am living with (female, of course) objects to such a situation. I ask you, a jury of my peers, how could anyone find fault with this state of affairs? ``` (o o) *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| *--------------------------oooO------------* |__||__| || || ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 20 08:34:45 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA08182; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 08:34:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA14793; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 08:34:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from m-net.arbornet.org by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA24421; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 08:34:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (bmccoy@localhost) by m-net.arbornet.org (8.8.5/8.8.6) with SMTP id IAA04622 for ; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 08:17:54 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 08:17:54 -0500 (EST) From: Brian McCoy cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: ... In-Reply-To: <8cacbfee.34c3cdbe@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Jack, Think about it for a second - an on-line listserv of motorcyclist - I think we all constitute 'computer nerds' - don't you think? On Mon, 19 Jan 1998, WantA ZX6 wrote: > > Thank God!! A fellow computer nerd! Thought I was all alone. > (By the way, I work for the gov't so Im at home ) > > Jack > Brian P. McCoy - 86' VF500fg (street) - 92/94 RS125 (race) bmccoy@XXXXXX (work) (301)210-8000 x 2155 (work) bmccoy@XXXXXX (personal) (301)445-4451 (home) www.geocities.com\motorcity\1319 (OLD Homepage - view at your own risk) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 20 08:48:50 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA08278; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 08:48:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA14968; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 08:48:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from att.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA24509; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 08:48:42 -0500 (EST) From: jcarver@XXXXXX Received: by cagw1.att.com; Tue Jan 20 08:42 EST 1998 Received: from dcn.dcn.att.com (dcn.dcn.att.com [135.44.192.113]) by caig1.att.att.com (AT&T/GW-1.0) with SMTP id IAA10198 for ; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 08:38:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from dcn73.dcn.att.com (dcn73.nova.att.com) by dcn.dcn.att.com with SMTP id AA04810 (5.67c/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 20 Jan 1998 08:49:32 -0500 Received: by dcn73.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD2580.2A5F9270@XXXXXX>; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 08:48:23 -0500 Message-Id: To: Subject: Arai Helmet Inspection Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 08:52:48 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does anyone know if Arai offers free inspection of helmets like Shoei does? --John Bandit 600 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 20 09:02:27 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA08359; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 09:02:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA15089; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 09:01:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA24661; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 09:01:39 -0500 (EST) Received: by hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD2581.A7A4B480@XXXXXX>; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 08:59:02 -0500 Message-ID: From: To: Subject: RE: ... Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 08:59:02 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 29 TEXT Scary isn't it. Bikers with byte. M&Ms - The Only Year 2000 Compliant Candy "MM means Millenium" ---------- From: Brian McCoy[SMTP:bmccoy@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 1998 8:17 AM Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: ... Jack, Think about it for a second - an on-line listserv of motorcyclist - I think we all constitute 'computer nerds' - don't you think? On Mon, 19 Jan 1998, WantA ZX6 wrote: > > Thank God!! A fellow computer nerd! Thought I was all alone. > (By the way, I work for the gov't so Im at home ) > > Jack > Brian P. McCoy - 86' VF500fg (street) - 92/94 RS125 (race) bmccoy@XXXXXX (work) (301)210-8000 x 2155 (work) bmccoy@XXXXXX (personal) (301)445-4451 (home) www.geocities.com\motorcity\1319 (OLD Homepage - view at your own risk) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 20 09:06:52 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA08421; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 09:06:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA15150; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 09:06:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA24705; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 09:05:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.02c) id AED61190190; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 09:04:06 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980120082924.00947e00@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 08:29:24 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Real Winter Riders Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Th_Sadewasser/treffen2.htm Norwegian winter rally, web page in German. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 20 09:08:22 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA08449; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 09:08:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA15164; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 09:08:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA24737; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 09:06:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.02c) id AED31190190; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 09:04:06 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980120085904.00947970@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 08:59:04 -0500 To: From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: ... In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I rode today (Tuesday). Very nice ride in. Was a little concerned about possible ice patches (Falls Church had some rain overnight), but kept the lean angle reduced and used more counterleaning than countersteering -- no problem. Probably would have taken the sidecar rig except its battery died last week. It started fine (the battery had been on the charger) but wouldn't start to go home that afternoon. Took me about 5 cars to find somebody with jumper cables. In the rain. I was dry inside my Aerostich and helmet, but those drivers must have been wondering! I finally got to my local Trak Auto yesterday, and they've stopped selling cycle batteries. Grrrrrrrr ... may you live in "interesting times", Chris Norloff >Yup. But at least I'm getting O/T. One of these days it will only be >cold, not cold AND wet, and I'll ride in. Until then, it's the Jeep! > >-Sash > >> >> gotta love working in an industry where there are no days off.. ever. >> And gotta love riding a motorcycle to work on days when it snows >> (after you get to work of course) - Maybe I'll be lucky enough to >> freshen up my ice riding skills... >> >> just venting.. anyone else working today? >> >> Brian From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 20 09:26:49 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA08696; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 09:26:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA15478; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 09:26:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp3.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA25116; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 09:26:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.172.128.59] (col-as1s59.erols.com [207.172.128.59]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA12205 for ; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 09:32:55 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 09:32:55 -0500 (EST) X-Sender: r.chapin@XXXXXX Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Ryan Chapin Subject: Re: Arai Helmet Inspection Yes, Arai will check out your helmet for you for free. I think you need to send them a $10 check to cover shipping. Just send your helmet to Arai Helmets Inspection 59 Riv Ocean Dr. Ormond Beach, Florida 32176 Enclose a letter that describes in as much detail as possible the crash that the helmet suffered. Ryan >Does anyone know if Arai offers free inspection of helmets like Shoei does? > >--John >Bandit 600 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 20 09:39:29 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA08810; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 09:39:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA15883; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 09:37:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA25337; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 09:37:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id IAA08473 for ; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 08:37:19 -0600 (CST) Received: from imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid02.mcit.com [166.37.221.14]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id JAA17987 for ; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 09:37:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from LJTanner.mcit.com ([166.32.84.59]) by imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19980120143718.LXMW28757@XXXXXX> for ; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 08:37:18 -0600 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 09:37:16 -0500 Message-ID: <01BD2586.FEE1D3E0.linda.tanner@mci.com> From: Linda Tanner To: "Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: Plastic Repair Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 09:37:14 -0500 Organization: MCI Telecommunications X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anyone have any experience with the MAT7 Plastic Repair Kit?? Know where to find it? After my latest tip-over, I decided I better learn how to fix the plastic myself. All suggestions appreciated. LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 20 10:17:21 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA09481; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 10:17:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA16790; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 10:16:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA26502; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 10:16:49 -0500 (EST) From: WantA ZX6 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 10:16:02 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: ...computer nerd stuff Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) In a message dated 98-01-20 09:28:56 EST, you write: << Jack, Think about it for a second - an on-line listserv of motorcyclist - I think we all constitute 'computer nerds' - don't you think?>> > Thank God!! A fellow computer nerd! Thought I was all alone. > (By the way, I work for the gov't so Im at home ) > > Jack > > Brian, Brian, Brian........ Having a computer, a computer nerd, does not one make...... Seriously Brian, I support the computer ops of 1200 Pentagon employees and use of a computer DOES NOT constitute a computer nerd. Since when does having an ISP and mailing list access equate to ISO certification, Year2000 compliance and general overall nerdlyness. Most people can send email but do they know how to administer an NT network? I think not. My $0.02. Doesnt this weather suck???????????????? Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 20 10:20:58 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA09525; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 10:20:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA16853; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 10:20:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA26564; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 10:20:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id JAA29965; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 09:20:15 -0600 (CST) Received: from imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid02.mcit.com [166.37.221.14]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id KAA30901; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 10:20:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from mci.com ([166.32.114.127]) by imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with ESMTP id <19980120152011.MDDR28757@XXXXXX>; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 09:20:11 -0600 Message-ID: <34C4C0AB.B68D179C@mci.com> Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 10:20:12 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Reply-To: Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: kevin thomas CC: dc-cycles , krista Subject: Re: anybody wash their bike this weekend? References: <01bd24fd$de59e100$824b440c@default> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit No washing, but I took a nice (quick) jaunt down past Culpeper, VA this Sunday while the wife and kids were in church (I'm such a heathen). Got back before they did, too. Made the most of my free morning, 130 miles roundtrip. Dale (the Horkster) kevin thomas wrote: > Hey, y'all-- > > I'm really just checking the server, 'cause I haven't gotten any mail. > _Somebody_ ought to have ridden this weekend. Mine still doesn't run, and I > didn't wash it either........... > > Later > Kevin > > He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 20 10:45:18 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA09820; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 10:45:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA17286; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 10:44:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from server4.illuminet.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA27030; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 10:44:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from illuminet.net (aln-63-182.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.182]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA17634; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 10:43:43 -0500 Message-ID: <34C4C59D.2D55D324@illuminet.net> Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 10:41:17 -0500 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: George Howell CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: home furnishings References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I see no problem, but after more than 20 years of marriage, I suspect the correct answer to this question is: "If you have to ask, you wouldn't understand" Leon. George Howell wrote: > Last weekend removed the rear wheel from the Beemer (required removal of > caliper, BTW) and it is now sitting in my dining room (which has no other > furniture). Seems the person I am living with (female, of course) objects > to such a situation. I ask you, a jury of my peers, how could anyone find > fault with this state of affairs? > > ``` > (o o) > *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* > |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| > |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| > *--------------------------oooO------------* > |__||__| > || || > ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 20 11:01:15 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA10114; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 11:01:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA17750; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 11:00:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from draco.eisi.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA27473; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 11:00:48 -0500 (EST) Received: by draco.eisi.com; id LAA10258; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 11:00:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from unknown(10.3.1.4) by draco.eisi.com via smap (3.2) id xma010216; Tue, 20 Jan 98 11:00:30 -0500 Received: by hrnexch1.eisi.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 11:00:30 -0500 Message-ID: <7F151D3C3920D111859A080009D80639884AFC@hrnexch1.eisi.com> From: "Whiteside, John" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: ...computer nerd stuff Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 11:00:28 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Use of a computer doesn't constitute nerd-dom. Use of a computer to talk about motorcycles, however.... John Whiteside Marketing Specialist EIS Marketing Dept. Phone: (703) 736-8386 * Fax (703) 787-6720 jwhiteside@XXXXXX http://www.eisi.com > -----Original Message----- > From: WantA ZX6 [SMTP:WantAZX6@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 1998 10:16 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: ...computer nerd stuff > > In a message dated 98-01-20 09:28:56 EST, you write: > > << Jack, > > Think about it for a second - an on-line listserv of > motorcyclist > - I think we all constitute 'computer nerds' - don't you think?>> > > > > Thank God!! A fellow computer nerd! Thought I was all alone. > > (By the way, I work for the gov't so Im at home ) > > > > Jack > > > > > > Brian, Brian, Brian........ > Having a computer, a computer nerd, does not one make...... > > > Seriously Brian, I support the computer ops of 1200 Pentagon employees > and use > of a computer DOES NOT constitute a computer nerd. Since when does > having an > ISP and mailing list access equate to ISO certification, Year2000 > compliance > and general overall nerdlyness. Most people can send email but do > they know > how to administer an NT network? I think not. > My $0.02. Doesnt this weather suck???????????????? > > Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 20 11:03:13 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA10148; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 11:03:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA17790; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 11:03:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA27554; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 11:03:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id KAA22039 for ; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 10:02:30 -0600 (CST) Received: from imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid02.mcit.com [166.37.221.14]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id KAA13495 for ; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 10:02:29 -0600 (CST) Received: from LJTanner.mcit.com ([166.32.84.59]) by imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19980120160229.MJLM28757@XXXXXX> for ; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 10:02:29 -0600 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 11:02:26 -0500 Message-ID: <01BD2592.E4727080.linda.tanner@mci.com> From: Linda Tanner To: "Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: RE: ...computer nerd stuff Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 11:02:16 -0500 Organization: MCI Telecommunications X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What's wrong with the weather?? It's just cold - no snow, rain, sleet. Not enough to keep me from riding into work. I can't administer an NT network, but I think I qualify as a geek and/or nerd. I've been in this business for 27 years (OH MY GAWD) on all kinds of machines, written zillions of lines of code and generally been immersed in the cultcha (such that it is). We're all geeks under the skin - just what sort. LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze (going to lie down in a darkened room for a while) -----Original Message----- From: WantA ZX6 [SMTP:WantAZX6@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 1998 10:16 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: ...computer nerd stuff In a message dated 98-01-20 09:28:56 EST, you write: Brian, Brian, Brian........ Having a computer, a computer nerd, does not one make...... Seriously Brian, I support the computer ops of 1200 Pentagon employees and use of a computer DOES NOT constitute a computer nerd. Since when does having an ISP and mailing list access equate to ISO certification, Year2000 compliance and general overall nerdlyness. Most people can send email but do they know how to administer an NT network? I think not. My $0.02. Doesnt this weather suck???????????????? Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 20 11:19:23 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA10470; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 11:19:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA18083; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 11:19:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA28039; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 11:19:00 -0500 (EST) Received: by hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD2594.B409F1A0@XXXXXX>; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 11:15:24 -0500 Message-ID: From: To: Subject: RE: ...computer nerd stuff Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 11:15:22 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 53 TEXT I must agree with Jack - we live the motto of the DC area SAGE group "Users can be a friend of the system administrator, but they will never be able to be a peer." Now that we know what does not make a computer nerd, one must wonder what does make a computer nerd - but I won't go there - let's just be happy that we have our bikes to keep us away from the computer from time to time thus disqualifying us all as computer nerds. Tracy M&Ms - The Only Year 2000 Compliant Candy "MM means Millennium" ---------- From: WantA ZX6[SMTP:WantAZX6@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 1998 10:16 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: ...computer nerd stuff In a message dated 98-01-20 09:28:56 EST, you write: << Jack, Think about it for a second - an on-line listserv of motorcyclist - I think we all constitute 'computer nerds' - don't you think?>> > Thank God!! A fellow computer nerd! Thought I was all alone. > (By the way, I work for the gov't so Im at home ) > > Jack > > Brian, Brian, Brian........ Having a computer, a computer nerd, does not one make...... Seriously Brian, I support the computer ops of 1200 Pentagon employees and use of a computer DOES NOT constitute a computer nerd. Since when does having an ISP and mailing list access equate to ISO certification, Year2000 compliance and general overall nerdlyness. Most people can send email but do they know how to administer an NT network? I think not. My $0.02. Doesnt this weather suck???????????????? Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 20 11:19:29 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA10478; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 11:19:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA18089; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 11:19:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA28044; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 11:19:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id KAA00924 for ; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 10:18:49 -0600 (CST) Received: from imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid02.mcit.com [166.37.221.14]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id KAA20599 for ; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 10:18:48 -0600 (CST) Received: from LJTanner.mcit.com ([166.32.84.59]) by imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19980120161847.MLQO28757@XXXXXX> for ; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 10:18:47 -0600 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 11:18:45 -0500 Message-ID: <01BD2595.2BE93320.linda.tanner@mci.com> From: Linda Tanner To: "Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: FW: home furnishings Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 11:18:44 -0500 Organization: MCI Telecommunications X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think other riders (your supposed peers) would not find this situation unusual. If your girlfriend objects, the easiest way to win her over would be to get her riding herself. After a while, a wheel in the dining room would not seem at all objectionable. Especially if it is some tasteful color that blends with the general decor. IMNSHO LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze -----Original Message----- From: George Howell [SMTP:ghowell@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 1998 12:55 AM To: DC Cycles Subject: home furnishings Last weekend removed the rear wheel from the Beemer (required removal of caliper, BTW) and it is now sitting in my dining room (which has no other furniture). Seems the person I am living with (female, of course) objects to such a situation. I ask you, a jury of my peers, how could anyone find fault with this state of affairs? ``` (o o) *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| *--------------------------oooO------------* |__||__| || || ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 20 11:38:59 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA10771; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 11:38:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA18663; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 11:38:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA28615; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 11:38:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay2.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id LAA21104; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 11:38:33 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 11:31:12 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D39EA3E@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Leon Begeman'" , George Howell Cc: DC Cycles Subject: RE: home furnishings Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 11:29:28 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain I find no problem there, especially since my entire bike is in the back room of my house at times... - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Leon Begeman [SMTP:mrider@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 1998 10:41 AM > To: George Howell > Cc: DC Cycles > Subject: Re: home furnishings > > I see no problem, but after more than 20 years of marriage, I suspect > the > correct answer to this question is: > > "If you have to ask, you wouldn't understand" > > Leon. > > George Howell wrote: > > > Last weekend removed the rear wheel from the Beemer (required > removal of > > caliper, BTW) and it is now sitting in my dining room (which has no > other > > furniture). Seems the person I am living with (female, of course) > objects > > to such a situation. I ask you, a jury of my peers, how could anyone > find > > fault with this state of affairs? > > > > ``` > > (o o) > > *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* > > |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| > > |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| > > *--------------------------oooO------------* > > |__||__| > > || || > > ooO Ooo > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 20 11:40:16 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA10792; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 11:40:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA18690; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 11:40:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from att.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA28651; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 11:40:09 -0500 (EST) From: Varouxis_Lisa_G@XXXXXX Received: by cagw2.att.com; Tue Jan 20 11:30 EST 1998 Received: from oakem01.bns.att.com (oakem01.bns.att.com [135.177.39.238]) by caig2.att.att.com (AT&T/GW-1.0) with ESMTP id LAA13446 for ; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 11:49:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by oakem01.bns.att.com with SMTP (1.40.112.8/16.3) id AA044514034; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 11:33:54 -0500 X-Openmail-Hops: 1 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 98 11:33:38 -0500 Message-Id: Subject: Thanks - I've got it To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Encoding: 8 text Thanks everybody -- I now have the address to subscribe/unsubscribe to the mailing list Lisa Varouxis AT&T Solutions - Information Technology Services Premise & Desktop Support From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 20 11:41:40 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA10798; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 11:41:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA18772; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 11:41:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA28697; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 11:41:25 -0500 (EST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id KAA25259; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 10:40:49 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199801201640.KAA25259@dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com> Received: from slip166-72-74-129.dc.us.ibm.net(166.72.74.129) by dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma025248; Tue Jan 20 10:40:36 1998 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Bill Schmidt" To: "Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" , Linda Tanner Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 23:39:09 +0000 Subject: Re: Plastic Repair Reply-to: billsch@XXXXXX Priority: normal In-reply-to: <01BD2586.FEE1D3E0.linda.tanner@mci.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.54) > Anyone have any experience with the MAT7 Plastic Repair Kit?? Know where > to find it? After my latest tip-over, I decided I better learn how to fix > the plastic myself. > > All suggestions appreciated. > > LindaT. > 95 F3 Purple Haze That was one of the kits MCN recommended in the 8/97 issue. They also have a brief photo story on how to use it. The article may be available on their web site. The mfgr is Unique Necessities (909) 637-0452. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 20 12:47:53 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA11685; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 12:47:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA20376; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 12:46:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from gwsmtp.nlm.nih.gov by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA00375; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 12:46:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from NLM-Message_Server by gwsmtp.nlm.nih.gov with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 12:46:30 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 12:46:04 -0500 From: Sandy Triolo To: mrider@XXXXXX, ghowell@XXXXXX, jlobrien@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: RE: home furnishings I have three bikes in the back room of my house, the Hurricane and Virago are awaiting winter maintenance but the third is a half torn apart VTR250 that has not been touched in over 6 months........ so I think motorcycles should have a place in the home, although my dining room as a table in it. sandy 87 Hurricane 600 (possibly for sale, inquires welcome) 85 Virago 1000 >>> O'Brien, Jeannette 01/20 11:29 AM >>> I find no problem there, especially since my entire bike is in the back room of my house at times... - Jeannette > > George Howell wrote: > > > Last weekend removed the rear wheel from the Beemer (required > removal of > > caliper, BTW) and it is now sitting in my dining room (which has no > other > > furniture). Seems the person I am living with (female, of course) > objects > > to such a situation. I ask you, a jury of my peers, how could anyone > find > > fault with this state of affairs? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 20 13:01:37 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA11870; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 13:01:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA20552; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 13:00:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from dadc011.army.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA00813; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 13:00:50 -0500 (EST) Received: by Pentagon-DADC011.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 13:03:19 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: DC Cycles Subject: I think I saw OJ! Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 13:03:24 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) To all you Marylanders I was at the Geek, I mean computer show on Saturday at Frederick and on my return trip back down I-270 saw Maryland's latest disguise. Yep, it was a full sized white Ford Bronco pulling over speeders. Keep an eye out. Glenn Dysart DysarGB@XXXXXX dysart@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 20 13:21:18 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA12242; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 13:21:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA20860; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 13:21:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA01425; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 13:21:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id MAA15241; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 12:20:29 -0600 (CST) Received: from imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid01.mcit.com [166.37.221.13]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id NAA24273; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 13:20:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from mci.com ([166.32.114.127]) by imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with ESMTP id <19980120182028.PKNG215@XXXXXX>; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 12:20:28 -0600 Message-ID: <34C4EAEC.C138C9E8@mci.com> Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 13:20:28 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Reply-To: Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tracy Horstman CC: DC Cycles List Subject: Re: home furnishings References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable See Tracy, I'm not crazy, We don't need to build a garage for our bikes anymore, we'll just move them in downstairs!!! Dale PS: This list is great!!! :-) Sandy Triolo wrote: > I have three bikes in the back room of my house, the Hurricane and Vira= go are awaiting winter maintenance > but the third is a half torn apart VTR250 that has not been touched in = over 6 months........ so I think motorcycles > should have a place in the home, although my dining room as a table in = it. > > sandy > 87 Hurricane 600 (possibly for sale, inquires welcome) > 85 Virago 1000 > > >>> O'Brien, Jeannette 01/20 11:29 AM >>> > I find no problem there, especially since my entire bike is in the back= room of my house at times... > > - Jeannette > > > > George Howell wrote: > > > > Last weekend removed the rear wheel from the Beemer (required > > removal of > > > caliper, BTW) and it is now sitting in my dining room (which has no= > > other > > > furniture). Seems the person I am living with (female, of course) > > objects > > > to such a situation. I ask you, a jury of my peers, how could anyon= e > > find > > > fault with this state of affairs? > > = = = = = = = = = = = = = ! > ! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 20 13:30:14 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA12396; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 13:30:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA21105; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 13:30:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from sundown.northgrum.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA01649; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 13:30:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from puff.northgrum.com (puff.northgrum.com [157.127.103.139]) by sundown.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id KAA04940 for ; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 10:29:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from xcgca011.northgrum.com ([157.127.103.101]) by puff.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id KAA14878 for ; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 10:29:47 -0800 (PST) Received: by XCGCA011 with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 10:30:38 -0800 Message-ID: <11D743514607D011A15500805FEA3464A45E29@xcgva001.grumman.com> From: "Meier, Christopher" To: "'dc-cycles'" Subject: Great, more good press! (long) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 10:30:26 -0800 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Your roving reporter, always on the beat ... Here's yet another glowing endorsement of our "lifestyle" by the Post. Later, chris ----------------------------------------------------------- Outlaw Biker, A Breezy Ride High on the Hog By Peter Carlson Washington Post Staff Writer Tuesday, January 20, 1998; Page D01 Like People and Vogue, Outlaw Biker magazine provides ample photographic coverage of parties. Unlike People and Vogue, Outlaw Biker covers the kind of parties where the men ceremonially lynch Japanese motorcycles and the women exhibit their joie de vivre by stripping off their T-shirts and showing their breasts. It's nice to know that somebody's still having fun out there. Outlaw Biker is immature, antisocial, obscene and very funny. "We keep it raunchy, righteous and real for ya," proclaims a house ad, which promises subscribers "the wildest parties, the hottest bikes, the finest women, the dirtiest jokes." Outlaw Biker is the best of a genre of magazines that includes Biker, Easyriders, Iron Horse and others. These aren't motorcycle mags, they're biker mags. There's a big difference. Motorcycle magazines are about motorcycles -- their frames, their spark plugs, their airflow. Biker mags are lifestyle publications for men whose lifestyles revolve around fast bikes, loose women, baroque tattoos, knuckle-busting jobs, unemployment checks, probation officers, lots of beer and God knows what other mind-altering substances. "Here's what the lifestyle of a biker is all about -- the fun, the broads, the bikes and the parties," proclaims the latest issue of Biker as it asks readers to send in photos of their bikes, their parties and their womenfolk. "We're popping the rubber band off the bankroll and paying out $20 for every shot we use." These magazines are not for the squeamish or the politically correct. They're fun, though, if you're willing to take them in the spirit in which they're offered -- a spirit captured in their subtitles. Easyriders bills itself as "Entertainment for Adult Bikers -- and rehab survivors." Biker says it's the publication "For Dissenting Adults Only." Here are a few of the more printable lines from Outlaw Biker's outrageous parody of "The Night Before Christmas": The Harleys were locked with care all in chains. The bikers were sleeping and feeling no pain. My bros were all nestled, all snug in their beds, bombed out of their brains on Quaaludes and reds. Needless to say, things get kind of ugly when Santa comes down the chimney. In the same issue, there's a little comic short story called "Beer," which begins like this: "So I'm robbing this liquor store and this lady says, `Why don't you get a job?' " `I have a job, lady, and you're not making it any easier. . .' " Robbing liquor stores is apparently not an altogether unfamiliar activity for many of the magazine's readers. They don't call it Outlaw Biker for nothing. One regular feature is an advice column for convicts called "Ask Joe Parole." "Hey, Joe," asks one inmate, "I heard you don't have to sign parole papers if you do half your sentence. Is this true?" "I don't think so," Joe replies. "Early out is early out. Parole is better than prison. Sign the papers!" The classified ads in these magazines also reflect the fact that much of the audience is captive. "Damsel in distress doing time in Nevada, seeks knight on a shiny Harley," reads one ad in Outlaw Biker. "Wanted: Any woman with 2 legs for correspondence with a downed outlaw tattooist," reads another. Sometimes these ads work. A guy who calls himself "Spyder" writes to Outlaw Biker to report that he found his son, Josh, through the magazine: "I didn't know where my boy was for 24 years and when I found him he was in prison. Not knowing what he would think of me, with two motors tattooed across my chest, I went to see him. His dream was to find me and ride next to me." "Hey, Spyder, can't tell you how happy we are you two found each other," the magazine's editors respond. "The whole OB staff is rootin' for ya, Josh. Stay cool, do your time, and get the hell out -- your dream's comin' true, bro." But the percentage of Outlaw Biker readers who are actually outlaw bikers probably isn't too much higher than the percentage of Soldier of Fortune readers who are actually soldiers of fortune. These are fantasy magazines for men whose fantasies involve Harleys and half-naked women. They're also magazines for guys who spend all their spare time out in the garage, painstakingly rebuilding old bikes and painting them in gloriously garish colors, creating sculptures that can go 110 miles an hour. One of these gearhead artists, Gil Trujillo, spent three years creating "Sweet Poison," the beautiful fuchsia-colored bike featured in a photo spread in Outlaw Biker. Trujillo explains his creation in a caption that sums up a whole way of life: "I bought my bike from a bro who was going to jail. The bike was in bad shape, it was covered with rust and dents. I put a lot of labor, paychecks and unemployment checks into this bike." Perched atop it is a strawberry blonde in an American-flag bikini. It perfectly captures the whole outlaw biker fantasy: Flying down the highway at a hundred miles an hour with the wind in your face and a righteous woman sitting behind you, wrapping her arms snugly around your waist. Living that fantasy can be dangerous, as "Brothers & Sisters Lost," Biker's monthly page of posthumous tributes, indicates: "In Memory of Johnny Lee Frammel. Also known as Crazy John, or Three Fingers John. John died on his bike when a deer crossed his path. The ol' man always said, `If they don't ride Harleys in Heaven, I'll ride mine straight to Hell.' " Reading biker mags is a lot safer than riding a bike and almost as much fun. © Copyright 1998 The Washington Post Company ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 20 13:45:55 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA12704; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 13:45:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA21966; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 13:45:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA02148; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 13:45:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from squeakers.erols.com (frd-as1s63.erols.com [207.172.110.63]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA23756; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 13:50:10 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199801201850.NAA23756@smtp1.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. To: "'dc-cycles'" , "Meier, Christopher" Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 13:44:58 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Great, more good press! (long) Reply-to: squeakers@XXXXXX Priority: normal In-reply-to: <11D743514607D011A15500805FEA3464A45E29@xcgva001.grumman.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) > Your roving reporter, always on the beat ... Here's yet another glowing > endorsement of our "lifestyle" by the Post. > > Later, > chris > > ----------------------------------------------------------- > > Outlaw Biker, A Breezy Ride High on the Hog > > By Peter Carlson > Washington Post Staff Writer > Tuesday, January 20, 1998; Page D01 > Hey. Ive been a subscriber to this magazine for quite a while, and think its great. Its "people", not stuffy. Not to mention the jokes are hysterical. (ok, maybe raunchy) Granted, it has gratuitous pictures of half (or mostly) naked wimmins, but at least they're REAL wimmins. NEVER models. Their photographer goes to the parties and events and STUFF and takes pictures of ACTUAL people, instead of the "beautiful people models". They're even talking about adding MEN pictures!! (after wimmins complaints concerning their absence. WE WANT THE HALF CLAD MENSTYPES!!!) It IS just plain fun to read. Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 20 13:51:33 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA12835; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 13:51:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA22074; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 13:51:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from sundown.northgrum.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA02365; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 13:51:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from puff.northgrum.com (puff.northgrum.com [157.127.103.139]) by sundown.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id KAA06084 for ; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 10:51:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from xcgca011.northgrum.com ([157.127.103.101]) by puff.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id KAA15924 for ; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 10:51:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by XCGCA011 with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 10:52:05 -0800 Message-ID: <11D743514607D011A15500805FEA3464A45E2A@xcgva001.grumman.com> From: "Meier, Christopher" To: "'dc-cycles'" , "'squeakers@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Great, more good press! (long) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 10:51:55 -0800 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Yeah I don't doubt that it is fun to read (even though I haven't read it). My comment was not about the mag, but rather the post's coverage of it. It just seems that the press always focuses on that segment of the biker stereotype. We never see any mention of the positive things: poker runs, charity runs, toy runs, etc. I would think that the mag would probably cover some of that stuff, too? Do they? Later, chris PS ... I figured that post would bring you out of lurkdom! ;-) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ > ---------- > From: Squeakers[SMTP:squeakers@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 1998 8:44 AM > To: 'dc-cycles'; Meier, Christopher > Subject: Re: Great, more good press! (long) > > > > Your roving reporter, always on the beat ... Here's yet another > glowing > > endorsement of our "lifestyle" by the Post. > > > > Later, > > chris > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Outlaw Biker, A Breezy Ride High on the Hog > > > > By Peter Carlson > > Washington Post Staff Writer > > Tuesday, January 20, 1998; Page D01 > > > > Hey. Ive been a subscriber to this magazine for quite a > while, and think its great. Its "people", not stuffy. Not > to mention the jokes are hysterical. (ok, maybe raunchy) > Granted, it has gratuitous pictures of half (or mostly) > naked wimmins, but at least they're REAL wimmins. NEVER > models. Their photographer goes to the parties and events > and STUFF and takes pictures of ACTUAL people, instead of > the "beautiful people models". They're even talking about > adding MEN pictures!! (after wimmins complaints concerning > their absence. WE WANT THE HALF CLAD MENSTYPES!!!) > It IS just plain fun to read. > > Squeakers > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 20 14:07:50 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA13168; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 14:07:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA22665; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 14:07:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from draco.eisi.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA02831; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 14:07:13 -0500 (EST) Received: by draco.eisi.com; id OAA29078; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 14:07:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from unknown(10.3.1.4) by draco.eisi.com via smap (3.2) id xma029059; Tue, 20 Jan 98 14:06:33 -0500 Received: by hrnexch1.eisi.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 14:06:33 -0500 Message-ID: <7F151D3C3920D111859A080009D80639884B02@hrnexch1.eisi.com> From: "Whiteside, John" To: "'dc-cycles'" Subject: RE: Great, more good press! (long) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 14:06:29 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain I doubt Outlaw Biker is gonna cover charity events, unless someone steals the money & escapes on their Harley. On the other hand, the Post might. The press goes for things like Outlaw Biker because it's interesting to their readers. Want 'em to do something different? Call them and pitch a story. Tell them why covering YOUR event of choice would be interesting for everyone reading the paper. If you don't ask...... John Whiteside Marketing Specialist EIS Marketing Dept. Phone: (703) 736-8386 * Fax (703) 787-6720 jwhiteside@XXXXXX http://www.eisi.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Meier, Christopher [SMTP:MEIERCH@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 1998 1:52 PM > To: 'dc-cycles'; 'squeakers@XXXXXX' > Subject: RE: Great, more good press! (long) > > Yeah I don't doubt that it is fun to read (even though I haven't read > it). My comment was not about the mag, but rather the post's coverage > of it. It just seems that the press always focuses on that segment of > the biker stereotype. > > We never see any mention of the positive things: poker runs, charity > runs, toy runs, etc. I would think that the mag would probably cover > some of that stuff, too? Do they? > > Later, > chris > > PS ... I figured that post would bring you out of lurkdom! ;-) > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > ------------ > Christopher A. Meier > meierch@XXXXXX > Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA > 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > ------------ > > > > ---------- > > From: Squeakers[SMTP:squeakers@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 1998 8:44 AM > > To: 'dc-cycles'; Meier, Christopher > > Subject: Re: Great, more good press! (long) > > > > > > > Your roving reporter, always on the beat ... Here's yet another > > glowing > > > endorsement of our "lifestyle" by the Post. > > > > > > Later, > > > chris > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > Outlaw Biker, A Breezy Ride High on the Hog > > > > > > By Peter Carlson > > > Washington Post Staff Writer > > > Tuesday, January 20, 1998; Page D01 > > > > > > > Hey. Ive been a subscriber to this magazine for quite a > > while, and think its great. Its "people", not stuffy. Not > > to mention the jokes are hysterical. (ok, maybe raunchy) > > Granted, it has gratuitous pictures of half (or mostly) > > naked wimmins, but at least they're REAL wimmins. NEVER > > models. Their photographer goes to the parties and events > > and STUFF and takes pictures of ACTUAL people, instead of > > the "beautiful people models". They're even talking about > > adding MEN pictures!! (after wimmins complaints concerning > > their absence. WE WANT THE HALF CLAD MENSTYPES!!!) > > It IS just plain fun to read. > > > > Squeakers > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 20 14:33:16 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA13813; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 14:33:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA23288; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 14:32:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from m-net.arbornet.org by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA03575; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 14:32:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (bmccoy@localhost) by m-net.arbornet.org (8.8.5/8.8.6) with SMTP id OAA18259 for ; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 14:17:27 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 14:17:27 -0500 (EST) From: Brian McCoy cc: "'dc-cycles'" Subject: RE: Great, more good press! (long) In-Reply-To: <11D743514607D011A15500805FEA3464A45E2A@xcgva001.grumman.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Me too.. that was actualy the First throught that crossed my mind.. :P She's gotta do Something while the rest of us are out riding.. On Tue, 20 Jan 1998, Meier, Christopher wrote: > > PS ... I figured that post would bring you out of lurkdom! ;-) > > > > Hey. Ive been a subscriber to this magazine for quite a > > while, and think its great. Its "people", not stuffy. Not > > to mention the jokes are hysterical. (ok, maybe raunchy) > > Granted, it has gratuitous pictures of half (or mostly) > > naked wimmins, but at least they're REAL wimmins. NEVER > > models. Their photographer goes to the parties and events > > and STUFF and takes pictures of ACTUAL people, instead of > > the "beautiful people models". They're even talking about > > adding MEN pictures!! (after wimmins complaints concerning > > their absence. WE WANT THE HALF CLAD MENSTYPES!!!) > > It IS just plain fun to read. > > > > Squeakers > > > Brian P. McCoy - 86' VF500fg (street) - 92/94 RS125 (race) bmccoy@XXXXXX (work) (301)210-8000 x 2155 (work) bmccoy@XXXXXX (personal) (301)445-4451 (home) www.geocities.com\motorcity\1319 (OLD Homepage - view at your own risk) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 20 15:29:58 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA15425; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 15:29:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA27500; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 15:29:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from m-net.arbornet.org by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA05801; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 15:29:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (bmccoy@localhost) by m-net.arbornet.org (8.8.5/8.8.6) with SMTP id PAA05707 for ; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 15:36:06 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 15:36:06 -0500 (EST) From: Brian McCoy To: DC-Cycles list Subject: Weekend ride? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Lest start the ball rolling again - this weekend, who's up for a ride? I liked some of the roads that Todd's been leading us on lately - Maybe that area would be a good place. Suggestions? Brian P. McCoy - 86' VF500fg (street) - 92/94 RS125 (race) bmccoy@XXXXXX (work) (301)210-8000 x 2155 (work) bmccoy@XXXXXX (personal) (301)445-4451 (home) www.geocities.com\motorcity\1319 (OLD Homepage - view at your own risk) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 20 15:38:20 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA15590; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 15:38:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA27802; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 15:38:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp2.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA06172; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 15:38:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from squeakers.erols.com (frd-as1s63.erols.com [207.172.110.63]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA13329 for ; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 15:38:05 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199801202038.PAA13329@smtp2.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 15:37:24 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: RE: Great, more good press! (long) Reply-to: squeakers@XXXXXX CC: "'dc-cycles'" Priority: normal References: <11D743514607D011A15500805FEA3464A45E2A@xcgva001.grumman.com> In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) > Me too.. that was actualy the First throught that crossed my mind.. :P > She's gotta do Something while the rest of us are out riding.. > Yeah yeah yeah.... I tell ya what. I DID get the ol'man to take the bikes outta the shed for me. We EVEN went up and got me a new battery. We EVEN went out riding. (chaps and a REAL helmet with a FACE shield!!!!!!!!!) and then what happens?!?!? It gets COLD again!! and RAINS and ICES and SNOWS and is DARK and DREARY and MISERABLE. and it was all cuz I got my bike out and ready. Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 20 15:42:07 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA15649; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 15:42:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA27965; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 15:41:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp2.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA06247; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 15:41:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from squeakers.erols.com (frd-as1s63.erols.com [207.172.110.63]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA15051; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 15:41:49 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199801202041.PAA15051@smtp2.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. To: "'dc-cycles'" , "Meier, Christopher" Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 15:41:08 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: RE: Great, more good press! (long) Reply-to: squeakers@XXXXXX Priority: normal In-reply-to: <11D743514607D011A15500805FEA3464A45E2A@xcgva001.grumman.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) > Yeah I don't doubt that it is fun to read (even though I haven't read > it). My comment was not about the mag, but rather the post's coverage > of it. It just seems that the press always focuses on that segment of > the biker stereotype. Well... thats cuz that IS the *real* biker image. heheheheheheehe all right all right > > We never see any mention of the positive things: poker runs, charity > runs, toy runs, etc. I would think that the mag would probably cover > some of that stuff, too? Do they? They cover just about every kind of bike event out there. Well.. *real* bike events, I mean. With *real* bikes. > > Later, > chris > Squeakers (ducking and hiding) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 20 15:44:27 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA15691; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 15:44:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA28064; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 15:44:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp2.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA06320; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 15:44:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from squeakers.erols.com (frd-as1s63.erols.com [207.172.110.63]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA16092; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 15:44:10 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199801202044.PAA16092@smtp2.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. To: "'dc-cycles'" , "Whiteside, John" Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 15:43:30 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: RE: Great, more good press! (long) Reply-to: squeakers@XXXXXX Priority: normal In-reply-to: <7F151D3C3920D111859A080009D80639884B02@hrnexch1.eisi.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) > I doubt Outlaw Biker is gonna cover charity events, unless someone > steals the money & escapes on their Harley. Wrong. Now looks who's perpetuating stereotypes. Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 20 15:47:13 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA15730; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 15:47:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA28223; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 15:47:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA06454; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 15:47:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay2.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id PAA21556; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 15:47:02 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 15:46:01 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D39EA55@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Brian McCoy'" , DC-Cycles list Subject: RE: Weekend ride? Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 15:44:17 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain I'm all for it! Saturday's best for me... -Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian McCoy [SMTP:bmccoy@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 1998 3:36 PM > To: DC-Cycles list > Subject: Weekend ride? > > Lest start the ball rolling again - this weekend, who's up for a ride? > I > liked some of the roads that Todd's been leading us on lately - Maybe > that > area would be a good place. Suggestions? > > > > Brian P. McCoy - 86' VF500fg (street) - 92/94 RS125 (race) > bmccoy@XXXXXX (work) (301)210-8000 x 2155 (work) > bmccoy@XXXXXX (personal) (301)445-4451 (home) > www.geocities.com\motorcity\1319 (OLD Homepage - view at your own > risk) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 20 15:53:56 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA15844; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 15:53:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA28885; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 15:53:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA06701; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 15:53:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.02c) id AEC61303FC; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 15:53:26 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980120153813.00a21100@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 15:38:13 -0500 To: "Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Plastic Repair In-Reply-To: <01BD2586.FEE1D3E0.linda.tanner@mci.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:37 AM 1/20/98 -0500, Linda Tanner wrote: >Anyone have any experience with the MAT7 Plastic Repair Kit?? Know where >to find it? After my latest tip-over, I decided I better learn how to fix >the plastic myself. Not MAT7, but I've been using the Three Bond kit for years, and have been very happy. It's a bit pricey ($30), so I've been buying the glue elsewhere (I seem to use that up the fastest). I think _Motorcycle Consumer News_ did an evaluation of glueing kits (and plastic weld, maybe) recently. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 20 15:53:58 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA15849; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 15:53:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA28894; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 15:53:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA06705; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 15:53:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.02c) id AEC41303FC; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 15:53:27 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980120155111.00a1ea90@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 15:51:11 -0500 To: DC Cycles From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: I think I saw OJ! In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 01:03 PM 1/20/98 -0500, Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN wrote: >To all you Marylanders I was at the Geek, I mean computer show on >Saturday at Frederick and on my return trip back down I-270 saw >Maryland's latest disguise. Yep, it was a full sized white Ford Bronco >pulling over speeders. Keep an eye out. Do you know if that was their "anti-aggressive driving" truck? I saw on TV a story about this white truck, full of PC's. It photographed the front and back of the car, and triangulated both speed and position of the car. This was supposded to be used to target tailgaters and people switching lanes to cut people off. In the "news" story, it appeared to be pretty complicated, and cluttered -- sort of a technology in search of a question. Still, if it actually worked ... Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 20 15:54:13 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA15854; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 15:54:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA28935; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 15:54:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from draco.eisi.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA06709; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 15:54:05 -0500 (EST) Received: by draco.eisi.com; id PAA09016; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 15:54:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from unknown(10.3.1.4) by draco.eisi.com via smap (3.2) id xma008984; Tue, 20 Jan 98 15:53:57 -0500 Received: by hrnexch1.eisi.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 15:53:58 -0500 Message-ID: <7F151D3C3920D111859A080009D80639884B08@hrnexch1.eisi.com> From: "Whiteside, John" To: "'dc-cycles'" Subject: RE: Great, more good press! (long) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 15:53:53 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Fair enough. My total knowledge of Outlaw Biker is skimming that article in the Post. I got the impression that they didn't cover stuff like charity events but you would know better since you actually read it! John Whiteside Marketing Specialist EIS Marketing Dept. Phone: (703) 736-8386 * Fax (703) 787-6720 jwhiteside@XXXXXX http://www.eisi.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Squeakers [SMTP:squeakers@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 1998 10:44 AM > To: 'dc-cycles'; Whiteside, John > Subject: RE: Great, more good press! (long) > > > > I doubt Outlaw Biker is gonna cover charity events, unless someone > > steals the money & escapes on their Harley. > > Wrong. Now looks who's perpetuating stereotypes. > > > Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 20 15:58:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA15931; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 15:58:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA29109; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 15:58:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from red.uspis.gov by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA06818; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 15:58:31 -0500 (EST) Received: by red.uspis.gov; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA22165; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 16:03:56 -0500 Message-Id: From: "Clements, Curtis A" To: "'Brian McCoy'" , "'DC-Cycles list'" , "'O'Brien, Jeannette'" Subject: RE: Weekend ride? Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 15:59:27 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.838.14 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Are these roads in MD, and where if so? Curtis >---------- >From: O'Brien, Jeannette[SMTP:jlobrien@XXXXXX] >Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 1998 3:44 PM >To: 'Brian McCoy'; DC-Cycles list >Subject: RE: Weekend ride? > >I'm all for it! Saturday's best for me... > >-Jeannette > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Brian McCoy [SMTP:bmccoy@XXXXXX] >> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 1998 3:36 PM >> To: DC-Cycles list >> Subject: Weekend ride? >> >> Lest start the ball rolling again - this weekend, who's up for a ride? >> I >> liked some of the roads that Todd's been leading us on lately - Maybe >> that >> area would be a good place. Suggestions? >> >> >> >> Brian P. McCoy - 86' VF500fg (street) - 92/94 RS125 (race) >> bmccoy@XXXXXX (work) (301)210-8000 x 2155 (work) >> bmccoy@XXXXXX (personal) (301)445-4451 (home) >> www.geocities.com\motorcity\1319 (OLD Homepage - view at your own >> risk) > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 20 16:04:30 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA16110; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 16:04:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA29576; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 16:03:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA07009; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 16:03:47 -0500 (EST) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id AA09020 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Tue, 20 Jan 1998 16:04:03 -0500 Message-Id: <199801202104.AA09020@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Tue, 20 Jan 1998 16:04:03 -0500 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Tue, 20 Jan 1998 16:04:03 -0500 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Tue, 20 Jan 1998 16:04:03 -0500 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 16:02:55 -0500 Subject: RE: Great, more good press! (long) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <199801202044.PAA16092@smtp2.erols.com> X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p1)/MIME We *know* this is a fantasy magazine..because the article mentioned people working on Harleys to make them real pretty and can go *110 mph*.. 110 mph on a HARLEY???? Not THAT'S fantasy!!! Bwahahahahahahahahahah! *snort*.. -aki (ducking from Squeeker fire) > > > I doubt Outlaw Biker is gonna cover charity events, unless someone > > steals the money & escapes on their Harley. > > Wrong. Now looks who's perpetuating stereotypes. > > > Squeakers > > Comments: Authenticated sender is > Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 20 16:12:51 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA16374; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 16:12:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA29784; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 16:12:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA07286; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 16:12:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id PAA00576 for ; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 15:11:59 -0600 (CST) Received: from imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid02.mcit.com [166.37.221.14]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id QAA30157 for ; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 16:11:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from LJTanner.mcit.com ([166.32.84.59]) by imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19980120211158.NVST28757@XXXXXX> for ; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 15:11:58 -0600 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 16:11:52 -0500 Message-ID: <01BD25BE.1EDC2600.linda.tanner@mci.com> From: Linda Tanner To: "Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: RE: Plastic Repair Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 16:11:50 -0500 Organization: MCI Telecommunications X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MCN did a report in their August 97 issue. They rated the MAT7 the best, so now I'm trying to find it someplace. The manufacturer/importer is not answering their phone. I left a message. So, I have no info on where/how to procure same. Where did you get the Three Bond kit?? LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze -----Original Message----- From: Chris Norloff [SMTP:cnorloff@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 1998 3:38 PM To: Dc-Cycles (E-mail) Subject: Re: Plastic Repair At 09:37 AM 1/20/98 -0500, Linda Tanner wrote: >Anyone have any experience with the MAT7 Plastic Repair Kit?? Know where >to find it? After my latest tip-over, I decided I better learn how to fix >the plastic myself. Not MAT7, but I've been using the Three Bond kit for years, and have been very happy. It's a bit pricey ($30), so I've been buying the glue elsewhere (I seem to use that up the fastest). I think _Motorcycle Consumer News_ did an evaluation of glueing kits (and plastic weld, maybe) recently. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 20 16:22:43 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA16541; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 16:22:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA29945; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 16:22:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA07600; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 16:22:30 -0500 (EST) From: Jinn Sinn Message-ID: <1a0ec7a4.34c5113d@aol.com> Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 16:03:55 EST To: bmccoy@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Weekend ride? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) count me in pending the recharging and/or replacement of my battery damn thing, I ought to bring it to Minnesota (where I grew up) so it can see what REAL cold is.... Marcy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 20 16:24:37 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA16573; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 16:24:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA00113; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 16:24:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA07665; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 16:24:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id PAA05936; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 15:23:19 -0600 (CST) Received: from nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (nmta2.mcit.com [166.37.172.3]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA12887; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 15:23:18 -0600 (CST) Received: from mci.com ([166.32.114.127]) by nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with ESMTP id <19980120212318.TXIF6587@XXXXXX>; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 16:23:18 -0500 Message-ID: <34C515C5.36A3896F@mci.com> Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 16:23:17 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Reply-To: Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: aki.damme@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, squeakers Subject: Re: Great, more good press! (long) References: <199801202104.AA09020@egate2.citicorp.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I bet a lot of Harleys can hit 110 mph in the back of a pickup truck.... :-) aki.damme@XXXXXX wrote: > We *know* this is a fantasy magazine..because the article mentioned > people working on Harleys to make them real pretty and can go *110 mph*.. > > 110 mph on a HARLEY???? Not THAT'S fantasy!!! > > Bwahahahahahahahahahah! *snort*.. > > -aki (ducking from Squeeker fire) > > > > > > I doubt Outlaw Biker is gonna cover charity events, unless someone > > > steals the money & escapes on their Harley. > > > > Wrong. Now looks who's perpetuating stereotypes. > > > > > > Squeakers > > > > Comments: Authenticated sender is > > Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 20 16:34:52 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA16788; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 16:34:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA00331; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 16:34:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from m-net.arbornet.org by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA07977; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 16:34:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (bmccoy@localhost) by m-net.arbornet.org (8.8.5/8.8.6) with SMTP id QAA14905 for ; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 16:18:45 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 16:18:44 -0500 (EST) From: Brian McCoy cc: "Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: Re: Plastic Repair In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980120153813.00a21100@mail.toward.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I've never bought the 'kits', but saw inside one - it's just fiberglass mat, high quality glue, an accelorator and some sandpaper. Well, tickle me silly if you can't buy all that in other places for cheaper/better quality. Local hobby store has all of that - but if you want the real discount on Fiberglas, go to a boat shop - I got a 10'x5' sheet of it for $10, then snip a size, sand the area you'll be fixing, and aply (watch the fingers!) - I tend to use little accelarator because those fixes seem to crack the easiest. I've heard of others using a mix of baking soda and glue to fix cracks - but I haven't tried it myself. If you're REALY prone to dropping the bike, buy some Sharkskins stuff - it's damn durable (my race bike has some and I could about bend some pieces in half). Lots of options... Choose your weapon. Brian P. McCoy - 86' VF500fg (street) - 92/94 RS125 (race) bmccoy@XXXXXX (work) (301)210-8000 x 2155 (work) bmccoy@XXXXXX (personal) (301)445-4451 (home) www.geocities.com\motorcity\1319 (OLD Homepage - view at your own risk) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 20 16:36:40 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA16831; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 16:36:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA00386; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 16:36:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from m-net.arbornet.org by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA08026; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 16:36:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (bmccoy@localhost) by m-net.arbornet.org (8.8.5/8.8.6) with SMTP id QAA13160; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 16:10:45 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 16:10:44 -0500 (EST) From: Brian McCoy To: "Clements, Curtis A" cc: "'DC-Cycles list'" , "'O'Brien, Jeannette'" Subject: RE: Weekend ride? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII They could be - and there Are roads in MD - but I was looking down south in VA. Depends on what people have in mind for a ride... On Tue, 20 Jan 1998, Clements, Curtis A wrote: > Are these roads in MD, and where if so? > Curtis > Brian P. McCoy - 86' VF500fg (street) - 92/94 RS125 (race) bmccoy@XXXXXX (work) (301)210-8000 x 2155 (work) bmccoy@XXXXXX (personal) (301)445-4451 (home) www.geocities.com\motorcity\1319 (OLD Homepage - view at your own risk) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 20 16:38:17 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA16861; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 16:38:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA00408; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 16:38:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA08072; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 16:38:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay2.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id QAA11638; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 16:38:08 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 16:37:04 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D39EA5C@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Brian McCoy'" , "Clements, Curtis A" Cc: "'DC-Cycles list'" , "O'Brien, Jeannette" Subject: RE: Weekend ride? Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 16:35:20 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain VA is preferable for me...I liked Todd's rides, too... - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian McCoy [SMTP:bmccoy@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 1998 4:11 PM > To: Clements, Curtis A > Cc: 'DC-Cycles list'; 'O'Brien, Jeannette' > Subject: RE: Weekend ride? > > They could be - and there Are roads in MD - but I was looking down > south > in VA. Depends on what people have in mind for a ride... > > > On Tue, 20 Jan 1998, Clements, Curtis A wrote: > > > Are these roads in MD, and where if so? > > Curtis > > > > Brian P. McCoy - 86' VF500fg (street) - 92/94 RS125 (race) > bmccoy@XXXXXX (work) (301)210-8000 x 2155 (work) > bmccoy@XXXXXX (personal) (301)445-4451 (home) > www.geocities.com\motorcity\1319 (OLD Homepage - view at your own > risk) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 20 16:54:48 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA17157; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 16:54:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA00566; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 16:54:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA08421; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 16:54:33 -0500 (EST) From: WantA ZX6 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 16:36:40 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Weekend ride? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Id go provided the weather is OK...none of this 12 degree crap. May even bring a female along for the ride . Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 20 17:06:45 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA17457; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 17:06:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA00757; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 17:06:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp2.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA08809; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 17:06:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from squeakers.erols.com (frd-as1s63.erols.com [207.172.110.63]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA16335; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 17:06:28 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199801202206.RAA16335@smtp2.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. To: aki.damme@XXXXXX, Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 17:05:47 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Great, more good press! (long) Reply-to: squeakers@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Priority: normal In-reply-to: <34C515C5.36A3896F@mci.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) > > I bet a lot of Harleys can hit 110 mph in the back of a pickup truck.... :-) > Ahhhhh...Dale..... I *know* where to find YOU. Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 20 17:21:57 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA17752; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 17:21:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA00906; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 17:21:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA09229; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 17:21:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id RAA21618; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 17:21:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid02.mcit.com [166.37.221.14]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id RAA02812; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 17:21:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from mci.com ([166.32.114.127]) by imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with ESMTP id <19980120222105.OEHB28757@XXXXXX>; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 16:21:05 -0600 Message-ID: <34C52350.E9F94C97@mci.com> Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 17:21:05 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Reply-To: Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: squeakers@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Great, more good press! (long) References: <199801202206.RAA16335@smtp2.erols.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Good, that means you are gonna make it to the DC Cycles Spring Party to be held at our place? Date and Time still to be determined...(we need to do that soon....) You have to be nice to me if you want any of my lasagna, so there! THBHBBHTTTHTtt!! : - p Dale (the Horkster) Squeakers wrote: > > > > I bet a lot of Harleys can hit 110 mph in the back of a pickup truck.... :-) > > > > Ahhhhh...Dale..... > > I *know* where to find YOU. > > Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 20 17:33:18 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA17972; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 17:33:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA01014; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 17:32:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA09558; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 17:32:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay2.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id RAA01577; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 17:32:46 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 17:31:45 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D39EA65@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Newbie Wants Bike... Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 17:30:00 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain I have a friend who's never ridden before (I told him to take the MSF course first) & is interested in buying his first bike. Does anyone have or know of anyone who has something for sale for a newbie around $1,000 or so? I know, I know, I'm asking a lot. I'll forward any responses to my friend. He's thinking Interceptor (like I have) or Suzuki GS 500... Thanks. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 20 18:51:33 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA19315; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 18:51:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA02059; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 18:51:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from iconmail.bellatlantic.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA11847; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 18:51:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from my-workstation (client196-127-203.bellatlantic.net [151.196.127.203]) by iconmail.bellatlantic.net (IConNet Sendmail) with SMTP id SAA09194; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 18:51:08 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980120184231.00bc191c@postoffice.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: true911@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 18:42:31 -0500 To: Jinn Sinn , bmccoy@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mark E. Truelove" Subject: Re: Weekend ride? In-Reply-To: <1a0ec7a4.34c5113d@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" What is it with batteries lately? MET At 04:03 PM 1/20/98 EST, Jinn Sinn wrote: >count me in pending the recharging and/or replacement of my battery ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark E. Truelove (true@XXXXXX) http://www.clark.net/pub/pooh/ Polaris Technology Group http://www.angelfire.com/biz/polaristech/ Placement Specialists: SAP PeopleSoft Notes Fiber-Optics NT UNIX DBs ======================================================================= From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 20 19:46:31 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA20147; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 19:46:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA03837; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 19:46:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA13196; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 19:46:08 -0500 (EST) Received: by hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD25DB.AD0D7DD0@XXXXXX>; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 19:43:26 -0500 Message-ID: From: To: , Cc: Subject: RE: Great, more good press! (long) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 19:43:24 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 41 TEXT I'll hold him while you pummel him. He hasn't been spanked in a long time. Goes off breaks my throttle - he'll probably go on this ride this weekend leaving me home to finally take down the Chirstmas decorations. Just remember one thing, Hork, you go nowhere until those boxes are down out of the attic so that I can put away these decorations! ---------- From: Dale Horstman[SMTP:Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 1998 5:21 PM To: squeakers@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Great, more good press! (long) Good, that means you are gonna make it to the DC Cycles Spring Party to be held at our place? Date and Time still to be determined...(we need to do that soon....) You have to be nice to me if you want any of my lasagna, so there! THBHBBHTTTHTtt!! : - p Dale (the Horkster) Squeakers wrote: > > > > I bet a lot of Harleys can hit 110 mph in the back of a pickup truck.... :-) > > > > Ahhhhh...Dale..... > > I *know* where to find YOU. > > Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 20 20:58:08 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA21128; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 20:58:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA05168; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 20:57:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA14541; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 20:57:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-27.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.68]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA21033 for ; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 20:57:46 -0500 Message-ID: <011301bd2610$320718a0$4410b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "'dc-cycles'" Subject: Re: Great, more good press! (long) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 20:55:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 -----Original Message----- From: Meier, Christopher snip . . . It just seems that the press always focuses on that segment of >the biker stereotype. > >We never see any mention of the positive things: poker runs, charity >runs, toy runs, etc. I would think that the mag would probably cover >some of that stuff, too? Do they? > >Later, >chris snip . . . A shared feeling, this. Two bright spots elsewhere in the last couple of months came to notice: Happened to catch holiday coverage of a local police motorcycle group dressed up as Santas doing a toy thing -- think it was billed as annual, don't know about the coverage. Left warm impression. Then saw in Feb American Motorcyclist (AMA pub, p.47) where AMA President Ed Youngblood objected to a derogatory Delta Airlines ad, lettering DA president these [reusable, I'm sure] words -- "I expect someone at Delta airlines or its advertising agency considers this advertisement clever and amusing. I don't, and I can promise you that other motorcyclists won't. It is repulsive, trite and offensive." (in part). Seems followup someplace regarding pulling the ad by DA flew by recently, too. Resting easier while AMA dollars work, Bill Swanson 96 Vulcan 500 LTD Downtown DC AMA, + From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 20 22:43:55 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA22770; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 22:43:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA05949; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 22:42:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA16624; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 22:42:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-12.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.53]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA22549 for ; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 22:42:51 -0500 Message-ID: <018a01bd261e$df7b0e20$4410b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: Subject: A story from Texas (Hey, so's the new DC City Manageperson) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 22:43:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0187_01BD25F4.C6A6A5A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0187_01BD25F4.C6A6A5A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This upbeat story came from another list where it received interesting = attention (pro and con, as Harleys seem destined). http://www.chron.com/content/chronicle/features/98/01/18/harley.html Bill Swanson 96 Vulcan 500 LTD Downtown DC AMA, + ------=_NextPart_000_0187_01BD25F4.C6A6A5A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0187_01BD25F4.C6A6A5A0-- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 20 22:52:15 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA22883; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 22:52:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA06701; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 22:52:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from dadc011.army.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA16742; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 22:52:05 -0500 (EST) Received: by Pentagon-DADC011.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 22:55:00 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: Chris Norloff , DC Cycles Subject: RE: I think I saw OJ! Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 22:55:17 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Not sure, all I saw was the blue light on the dash flashing as the other vehicle pulled over. I was going south they were going north. Glenn Dysart DysarGB@XXXXXX dysart@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna > Do you know if that was their "anti-aggressive driving" truck? I saw > on TV > a story about this white truck, full of PC's. It photographed the > front > and back of the car, and triangulated both speed and position of the > car. > This was supposded to be used to target tailgaters and people > switching > lanes to cut people off. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 20 23:19:33 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA23189; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 23:19:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA07679; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 23:19:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA17047; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 23:19:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.104] (unverified [207.226.128.104]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 23:22:39 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: RE: home furnishings Date: Tue, 20 Jan 98 23:17:49 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: cc: "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Bikes are great but they smell - sort of like pets if >you have them. It's probably the smell she objects to - get a Plug In for >the room. It's just a wheel and tire, no smell, plenty of plug ins (and scented candles). Oh, and then there is the 'puppy by-products' that decorate most corners of the house. Don't know what you could smell over that;) ``` (o o) *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| *--------------------------oooO------------* |__||__| || || ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 20 23:49:12 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA23484; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 23:49:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA07921; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 23:48:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA17394; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 23:48:54 -0500 (EST) From: Jinn Sinn Message-ID: <351039b0.34c57c20@aol.com> Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 23:39:57 EST To: WantAZX6@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Weekend ride? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) In a message dated 98-01-20 17:00:49 EST, WantAZX6@XXXXXX writes: << May even bring a female along for the ride . >> Ahem! There may even be some FEMALES along DRIVING. *smack* :D From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 21 00:21:06 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA24425; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 00:21:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA09004; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 00:20:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA18258; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 00:20:49 -0500 (EST) From: Jinn Sinn Message-ID: <52b196b1.34c57d33@aol.com> Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 23:44:32 EST To: true@XXXXXX, bmccoy@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Weekend ride? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) In a message dated 98-01-20 18:53:11 EST, true@XXXXXX writes: << What is it with batteries lately? >> perhaps the VERY COLD weather??? ;D From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 21 00:27:54 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA24543; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 00:27:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA09047; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 00:27:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA18327; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 00:27:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.123] (unverified [207.226.128.123]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 00:31:06 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Weekend ride? Date: Wed, 21 Jan 98 00:26:16 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "WantA ZX6" , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Id go provided the weather is OK...none of this 12 degree crap. >May even bring a female along for the ride . > >Jack If you all keep talking about riding this weekend, I may have to go fetch the Eliminator, and see if I can still hustle that ill-handling, non-braking (high revving, quick accelerating) brick around a corner. (or, more intelligently, get a tire Friday night:) -George From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 21 00:27:55 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA24546; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 00:27:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA09051; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 00:27:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA18330; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 00:27:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.123] (unverified [207.226.128.123]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 00:31:09 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Great, more good press! (long) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 98 00:26:19 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Meier, Christopher" , "'dc-cycles'" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Perched atop it is a strawberry blonde in an American-flag bikini. It >perfectly captures the whole outlaw biker fantasy: Flying down the >highway at a hundred miles an hour with the wind in your face and a >righteous woman sitting behind you, wrapping her arms snugly around your >waist. Keep the dream alive, man. ``` (o o) *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| *--------------------------oooO------------* |__||__| || || ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 21 00:28:05 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA24553; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 00:28:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA09063; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 00:28:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA18335; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 00:27:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.123] (unverified [207.226.128.123]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 00:31:16 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: I think I saw OJ! Date: Wed, 21 Jan 98 00:26:26 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Yep, it was a full sized white Ford Bronco >pulling over speeders. Keep an eye out. Thanks for the warning. Heading that way next week to do some skiing (fingers crossed) BTW, my brother got pulled over in NC last week by an unmarked Camaro. Was white with a yellow racing stripe. But, when the racing stripe was perpendicular to you, you could see that it was a cleverly done paint job to disguise the "NC State Highway Patrol" or some such thing. ``` (o o) *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| *--------------------------oooO------------* |__||__| || || ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 21 00:28:12 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA24558; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 00:28:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA09074; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 00:28:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA18339; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 00:28:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.123] (unverified [207.226.128.123]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 00:31:21 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Newbie Wants Bike... Date: Wed, 21 Jan 98 00:26:30 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >I have a friend who's never ridden before (I told him to take the MSF >course first) & is interested in buying his first bike. Does anyone >have or know of anyone who has something for sale for a newbie around >$1,000 or so? I know, I know, I'm asking a lot. I'll forward any >responses to my friend. He's thinking Interceptor (like I have) or >Suzuki GS 500... There's a review of <500cc bikes at motorcycle online. Can't remember what they liked. -George From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 21 00:28:17 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA24563; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 00:28:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA09079; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 00:28:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA18343; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 00:28:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.123] (unverified [207.226.128.123]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 00:31:23 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: RE: home furnishings Date: Wed, 21 Jan 98 00:26:33 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Linda Tanner" , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >I think other riders (your supposed peers) would not find this situation >unusual. If your girlfriend objects, the easiest way to win her over would >be to get her riding herself. After a while, a wheel in the dining room >would not seem at all objectionable. Especially if it is some tasteful >color that blends with the general decor. Ahh, for reasons too long to go into here (if RP means anything to you, that'll suffice) she can't drive a cage, let alone ride a bike (well, a powered bike, that is:) I think it just has to do with what kind of motorcycle wheel it is. The roadster is okay, and for a few days the wheel can be there. But the wheel from a GL-1500... Then she would not say one word;) ``` (o o) *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| *--------------------------oooO------------* |__||__| || || ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 21 00:28:18 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA24568; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 00:28:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA09087; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 00:28:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA18350; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 00:28:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.123] (unverified [207.226.128.123]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 00:31:26 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: RE: home furnishings Date: Wed, 21 Jan 98 00:26:35 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" cc: "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >I find no problem there, especially since my entire bike is in the back >room of my house at times... Would have done that a month or six weeks ago, but I actually like my apartment, and wasn't in the mood to get kicked out. Not to mention the dirt on the carpet (even *I* would get miffed at that. But I guess I could get some indoor/outdoor remnants to lay down a path from the door to storage....) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 21 08:02:38 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA28310; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 08:02:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA14504; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 08:02:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA23564; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 08:01:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.02c) id A1BC17C0286; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 08:01:48 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980121073905.0091a2a0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 07:39:05 -0500 To: "Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Plastic Repair In-Reply-To: <01BD25BE.1EDC2600.linda.tanner@mci.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 04:11 PM 1/20/98 -0500, Linda Tanner wrote: >MCN did a report in their August 97 issue. They rated the MAT7 the best, >so now I'm trying to find it someplace. The manufacturer/importer is not >answering their phone. I left a message. So, I have no info on where/how >to procure same. > >Where did you get the Three Bond kit?? Mailorder, and I've seen it at dealers (Coleman, I think). I think it's full name is just "ThreeBond Glue Kit". It's a yellow box, about 5 inches. square. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 21 08:02:38 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA28311; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 08:02:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA14501; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 08:02:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA23565; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 08:01:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.02c) id A1B917C0286; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 08:01:48 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980121074147.0091caf0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 07:41:47 -0500 To: "Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Plastic Repair In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.1.32.19980120153813.00a21100@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 04:18 PM 1/20/98 -0500, Brian McCoy wrote: >I've never bought the 'kits', but saw inside one - it's just fiberglass >mat, high quality glue, an accelorator and some sandpaper. Well, tickle >me silly if you can't buy all that in other places for cheaper/better >quality. Local hobby store has all of that - but if you want the real >discount on Fiberglas, go to a boat shop - I got a 10'x5' sheet of it for >$10, then snip a size, sand the area you'll be fixing, and aply (watch the >fingers!) - I tend to use little accelarator because those fixes seem to >crack the easiest. That's what I've been doing lately, but for a first-tiimer, buying the kit is an easy way to get going. Also, the kit comes with Primer - where do you buy that? Where do you buy your glue and accelerator? I got mine from a hobby store (CA, or cyanoacrylate glue - like super glue). Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 21 08:02:38 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA28312; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 08:02:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA14503; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 08:02:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA23569; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 08:01:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.02c) id A1BD17C0286; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 08:01:49 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980121074409.00979e20@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 07:44:09 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Weekend ride? In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980120184231.00bc191c@postoffice.bellatlantic.n et> References: <1a0ec7a4.34c5113d@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Maybe it's the weather. :-) Chris Norloff At 06:42 PM 1/20/98 -0500, Mark E. Truelove wrote: > >What is it with batteries lately? > >MET > >At 04:03 PM 1/20/98 EST, Jinn Sinn wrote: >>count me in pending the recharging and/or replacement of my battery > > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >Mark E. Truelove (true@XXXXXX) http://www.clark.net/pub/pooh/ >Polaris Technology Group http://www.angelfire.com/biz/polaristech/ >Placement Specialists: SAP PeopleSoft Notes Fiber-Optics NT UNIX DBs >======================================================================= > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 21 08:14:55 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA28493; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 08:14:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA14632; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 08:14:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from sundown.northgrum.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA23703; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 08:14:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from puff.northgrum.com (puff.northgrum.com [157.127.103.139]) by sundown.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id FAA27472 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 05:14:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from xcgca004.northgrum.com ([157.127.103.103]) by puff.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id FAA05639 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 05:14:31 -0800 (PST) Received: by XCGCA004 with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 05:15:20 -0800 Message-ID: <11D743514607D011A15500805FEA3464A45E2E@xcgva001.grumman.com> From: "Meier, Christopher" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Weekend ride? Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 05:14:33 -0800 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Uh, Brian, et.al., As much as I would love to go riding this weekend ... it is the weekend of the NYC Int'l MC show, and I will be there drooling over bikes. Matter of fact, I thought YOU were going, too? Enjoy, chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ > ---------- > From: Chris Norloff[SMTP:cnorloff@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 1998 7:44 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Weekend ride? > > Maybe it's the weather. > > :-) > Chris Norloff > > > At 06:42 PM 1/20/98 -0500, Mark E. Truelove wrote: > > > >What is it with batteries lately? > > > >MET > > > >At 04:03 PM 1/20/98 EST, Jinn Sinn wrote: > >>count me in pending the recharging and/or replacement of my battery > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > >Mark E. Truelove (true@XXXXXX) > http://www.clark.net/pub/pooh/ > >Polaris Technology Group > http://www.angelfire.com/biz/polaristech/ > >Placement Specialists: SAP PeopleSoft Notes Fiber-Optics NT UNIX > DBs > >===================================================================== > == > > > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 21 08:48:38 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA28937; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 08:48:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA14844; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 08:48:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA24389; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 08:48:25 -0500 (EST) From: bmccoy@XXXXXX Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id IAA16893 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 08:48:25 -0500 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma016868; Wed, 21 Jan 98 08:48:02 -0500 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id IAA02650 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 08:47:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.10.00) id AA885390291; Wed, 21 Jan 98 08:44:53 -0500 Message-Id: <9801218853.AA885390291@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.10.00 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 98 08:43:42 -0500 To: Subject: NY Motorcycle show - info if going. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: "cc:Mail Note Part" For those of you going to NY for the show, there are a couple of people from the list up there already that are looking to meet. Seeing as some of the people I'm traveling with would like to be back early, I'm not going to able to meet them - but they said it's an open invite... --------------------------- >do we want to say 7:00pm on Friday night? Can you make it up >here by then, Brian? Have you heard of any other DC-Cycles >people coming up? We could meet outside/inside the convention >center, or at a bar in the vicinity (are there bars in that vicinity??)... On the north side of the building they allow bike parking on the sidewalk/plaza part [at least they did last year]. Lets say we meet just inside the last door on the north side [nearest the bike parking] at 7:00. I'll be the big fucker pullin' up on a black harley :^) ['94 FLSTC w/California plates]. ---------------------------- Cheers all.. Brian From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 21 08:53:26 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA28995; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 08:53:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA14893; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 08:53:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from m-net.arbornet.org by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA24455; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 08:53:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (bmccoy@localhost) by m-net.arbornet.org (8.8.5/8.8.6) with SMTP id IAA11735 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 08:24:40 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 08:24:39 -0500 (EST) From: Brian McCoy cc: "Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: Re: Plastic Repair In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980121074147.0091caf0@mail.toward.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Ok, that's true - for the first time it would be nice. As for primer, what's wrong with soap&water - or Kerosene? They both do a damn good job at cleaning the surface. And my glue is CA - typically the fast setting type (it's real wattery, you need a nice, tight weave fiberglass to make it work well). On Wed, 21 Jan 1998, Chris Norloff wrote: > That's what I've been doing lately, but for a first-tiimer, buying the kit > is an easy way to get going. > > Also, the kit comes with Primer - where do you buy that? > > Where do you buy your glue and accelerator? I got mine from a hobby store > (CA, or cyanoacrylate glue - like super glue). > > Chris Norloff > > > > Brian P. McCoy - 86' VF500fg (street) - 92/94 RS125 (race) bmccoy@XXXXXX (work) (301)210-8000 x 2155 (work) bmccoy@XXXXXX (personal) (301)445-4451 (home) www.geocities.com\motorcity\1319 (OLD Homepage - view at your own risk) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 21 08:57:14 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA29049; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 08:57:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA14949; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 08:55:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from m-net.arbornet.org by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA24473; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 08:54:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (bmccoy@localhost) by m-net.arbornet.org (8.8.5/8.8.6) with SMTP id IAA13371 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 08:35:08 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 08:35:08 -0500 (EST) From: Brian McCoy cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Weekend ride? In-Reply-To: <11D743514607D011A15500805FEA3464A45E2E@xcgva001.grumman.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII We are.. on Friday - I've got to work on my motorcycles one of the other dyas - but that leaves a free day, so - why not go ride? On Wed, 21 Jan 1998, Meier, Christopher wrote: > Uh, Brian, et.al., > > As much as I would love to go riding this weekend ... it is the weekend > of the NYC Int'l MC show, and I will be there drooling over bikes. > Matter of fact, I thought YOU were going, too? > > Enjoy, > chris > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------ > Christopher A. Meier > meierch@XXXXXX > Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA > 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------ > > > > ---------- > > From: Chris Norloff[SMTP:cnorloff@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 1998 7:44 AM > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Re: Weekend ride? > > > > Maybe it's the weather. > > > > :-) > > Chris Norloff > > > > > > At 06:42 PM 1/20/98 -0500, Mark E. Truelove wrote: > > > > > >What is it with batteries lately? > > > > > >MET > > > > > >At 04:03 PM 1/20/98 EST, Jinn Sinn wrote: > > >>count me in pending the recharging and/or replacement of my battery > > > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -- > > >Mark E. Truelove (true@XXXXXX) > > http://www.clark.net/pub/pooh/ > > >Polaris Technology Group > > http://www.angelfire.com/biz/polaristech/ > > >Placement Specialists: SAP PeopleSoft Notes Fiber-Optics NT UNIX > > DBs > > >===================================================================== > > == > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brian P. McCoy - 86' VF500fg (street) - 92/94 RS125 (race) bmccoy@XXXXXX (work) (301)210-8000 x 2155 (work) bmccoy@XXXXXX (personal) (301)445-4451 (home) www.geocities.com\motorcity\1319 (OLD Homepage - view at your own risk) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 21 09:30:09 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA29676; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 09:30:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA15571; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 09:29:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from sundown.northgrum.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA25155; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 09:29:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from puff.northgrum.com (puff.northgrum.com [157.127.103.139]) by sundown.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id GAA00857 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 06:29:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from xcgca011.northgrum.com ([157.127.103.101]) by puff.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id GAA08614 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 06:29:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by XCGCA011 with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 06:30:25 -0800 Message-ID: <11D743514607D011A15500805FEA3464A45E30@xcgva001.grumman.com> From: "Meier, Christopher" To: "'Brian McCoy'" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Weekend ride? Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 06:30:12 -0800 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Ah. Makes sense. I will be there on Sat. Anyone else going to be up there? I am meeting some others at 11am at the AMA booth, if anyone wants to stop by and say hello. Later, chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ > ---------- > From: Brian McCoy[SMTP:bmccoy@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 1998 8:35 AM > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Weekend ride? > > We are.. on Friday - I've got to work on my motorcycles one of the > other > dyas - but that leaves a free day, so - why not go ride? > > On Wed, 21 Jan 1998, Meier, Christopher wrote: > > > Uh, Brian, et.al., > > > > As much as I would love to go riding this weekend ... it is the > weekend > > of the NYC Int'l MC show, and I will be there drooling over bikes. > > Matter of fact, I thought YOU were going, too? > > > > Enjoy, > > chris > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > > ------------ > > Christopher A. Meier > > meierch@XXXXXX > > Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA > > 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > > ------------ > > > > > > > ---------- > > > From: Chris Norloff[SMTP:cnorloff@XXXXXX] > > > Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 1998 7:44 AM > > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > > Subject: Re: Weekend ride? > > > > > > Maybe it's the weather. > > > > > > :-) > > > Chris Norloff > > > > > > > > > At 06:42 PM 1/20/98 -0500, Mark E. Truelove wrote: > > > > > > > >What is it with batteries lately? > > > > > > > >MET > > > > > > > >At 04:03 PM 1/20/98 EST, Jinn Sinn wrote: > > > >>count me in pending the recharging and/or replacement of my > battery > > > > > > > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > -- > > > >Mark E. Truelove (true@XXXXXX) > > > http://www.clark.net/pub/pooh/ > > > >Polaris Technology Group > > > http://www.angelfire.com/biz/polaristech/ > > > >Placement Specialists: SAP PeopleSoft Notes Fiber-Optics NT > UNIX > > > DBs > > > > >===================================================================== > > > == > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brian P. McCoy - 86' VF500fg (street) - 92/94 RS125 (race) > bmccoy@XXXXXX (work) (301)210-8000 x 2155 (work) > bmccoy@XXXXXX (personal) (301)445-4451 (home) > www.geocities.com\motorcity\1319 (OLD Homepage - view at your own > risk) > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 21 09:36:34 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA29759; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 09:36:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA15658; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 09:36:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from iconmail.bellatlantic.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA25340; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 09:36:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from my-workstation (client196-127-108.bellatlantic.net [151.196.127.108]) by iconmail.bellatlantic.net (IConNet Sendmail) with SMTP id JAA00284; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 09:36:24 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980121092746.00bbc478@postoffice.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: true911@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 09:27:46 -0500 To: Jinn Sinn , bmccoy@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mark E. Truelove" Subject: Re: Weekend ride? In-Reply-To: <52b196b1.34c57d33@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hmmph. Must be a DC thing. :) MET At 11:44 PM 1/20/98 EST, Jinn Sinn wrote: >perhaps the VERY COLD weather??? ;D ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark E. Truelove (true@XXXXXX) http://www.clark.net/pub/pooh/ Polaris Technology Group http://www.angelfire.com/biz/polaristech/ Placement Specialists: SAP PeopleSoft Notes Fiber-Optics NT UNIX DBs ======================================================================= From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 21 10:09:17 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA00293; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 10:09:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA16459; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 10:07:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA26045; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 10:06:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.02c) id AEFA1B501AC; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 10:06:34 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980121094437.009e74d0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 09:44:37 -0500 To: "Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Plastic Repair In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.1.32.19980121074147.0091caf0@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I use "thick and slow" CA glue from hobby stores (it's used in radio controlled airplane kit building) -- it has enough viscosity to stay where I put it (more or less) and cures in 15-25 sec. at room temperature. Accelerator helps a lot at temps below 60, or if I'm in a hurry. The primer with the ThreeBond Glue Kit is labeled "PE/PP Primer". I usually use it, though I'm not sure how much it's needed. Yes, cleaning and roughing up the area with fine sandpaper is mandatory for a good glue bond. Chris Norloff At 08:24 AM 1/21/98 -0500, Brian McCoy wrote: >Ok, that's true - for the first time it would be nice. As for primer, >what's wrong with soap&water - or Kerosene? They both do a damn good job >at cleaning the surface. And my glue is CA - typically the fast setting >type (it's real wattery, you need a nice, tight weave fiberglass to make >it work well). > >On Wed, 21 Jan 1998, Chris Norloff wrote: > >> That's what I've been doing lately, but for a first-tiimer, buying the kit >> is an easy way to get going. >> >> Also, the kit comes with Primer - where do you buy that? >> >> Where do you buy your glue and accelerator? I got mine from a hobby store >> (CA, or cyanoacrylate glue - like super glue). >> >> Chris Norloff >> >> >> >> > >Brian P. McCoy - 86' VF500fg (street) - 92/94 RS125 (race) >bmccoy@XXXXXX (work) (301)210-8000 x 2155 (work) >bmccoy@XXXXXX (personal) (301)445-4451 (home) >www.geocities.com\motorcity\1319 (OLD Homepage - view at your own risk) > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 21 10:09:18 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA00294; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 10:09:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA16453; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 10:06:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from m-net.arbornet.org by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA26025; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 10:06:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (bmccoy@localhost) by m-net.arbornet.org (8.8.5/8.8.6) with SMTP id JAA28655 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 09:54:01 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 09:54:01 -0500 (EST) From: Brian McCoy cc: DC-Cycles list Subject: Re: Weekend ride? In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980121092746.00bbc478@postoffice.bellatlantic.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII mark - you're not allowed to voice your opinions if you don't ride - I mean, really - dropping off the face of the earth, not showing up for MARRC events, not joining on rides.. what use are you? :) None i'll assume.. On Wed, 21 Jan 1998, Mark E. Truelove wrote: > > Hmmph. Must be a DC thing. :) > Brian P. McCoy - 86' VF500fg (street) - 92/94 RS125 (race) bmccoy@XXXXXX (work) (301)210-8000 x 2155 (work) bmccoy@XXXXXX (personal) (301)445-4451 (home) www.geocities.com\motorcity\1319 (OLD Homepage - view at your own risk) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 21 10:10:35 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA00325; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 10:10:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA16492; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 10:10:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA26101; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 10:10:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id KAA16172; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 10:09:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid01.mcit.com [166.37.221.13]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id KAA23432; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 10:09:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19980121150956.RTGK215@[166.41.242.141]>; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 09:09:56 -0600 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 09:52 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: Jinn Sinn CC: WantAZX6@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Weekend ride? X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980121150956.RTGK215@[166.41.242.141]> Jinn Sinn wrote: ><< May even bring a female along for the ride . >> > >Ahem! There may even be some FEMALES along DRIVING. *smack* :D No driving on a ride please. *whack* :-p From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 21 10:20:46 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA00421; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 10:20:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA16746; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 10:20:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA26374; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 10:20:35 -0500 (EST) From: Jinn Sinn Message-ID: <2b50ed8d.34c611dd@aol.com> Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 10:18:51 EST Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: RE: Weekend ride? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) so where can I go battery hunting early on a Saturday morning (before the ride....) ? enquiring minds want to know Marcy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 21 10:24:04 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA00484; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 10:24:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA17091; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 10:23:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA26451; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 10:23:56 -0500 (EST) From: Jinn Sinn Message-ID: <4cc5150e.34c61259@aol.com> Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 10:20:55 EST To: true@XXXXXX, JinnSinn@XXXXXX, bmccoy@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: Weekend ride? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) oh no.....it's just that DC people (and bikes apparently) are WIMPS when it comes to cold weather....us northern (Minnesota) folks are still running around in our shorts..... ;D In a message dated 1/21/98 9:36:27 AM, true@XXXXXX wrote: << Hmmph. Must be a DC thing. :) MET At 11:44 PM 1/20/98 EST, Jinn Sinn wrote: >perhaps the VERY COLD weather??? ;D>> From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 21 10:24:06 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA00489; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 10:24:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA17095; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 10:24:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA26454; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 10:23:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay2.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id KAA19398; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 10:23:54 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 10:20:09 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D39EA73@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Todd Peer'" , Jinn Sinn Cc: WantAZX6@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Weekend ride? Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 10:18:25 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Does this mean you're going, Todd!!?? ; ) - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Todd Peer [SMTP:Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 1998 9:52 AM > To: Jinn Sinn > Cc: WantAZX6@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Weekend ride? > > Jinn Sinn wrote: > ><< May even bring a female along for the ride . >> > > > >Ahem! There may even be some FEMALES along DRIVING. *smack* :D > > No driving on a ride please. *whack* :-p > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 21 10:38:54 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA00678; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 10:38:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from ringding.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA17466; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 10:38:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from sundown.northgrum.com by ringding.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06863; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 10:38:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from puff.northgrum.com (puff.northgrum.com [157.127.103.139]) by sundown.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id HAA04602 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 07:33:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from xcgca004.northgrum.com ([157.127.103.103]) by puff.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id HAA12017 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 07:33:31 -0800 (PST) Received: by XCGCA004 with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 07:34:20 -0800 Message-ID: <11D743514607D011A15500805FEA3464A45E37@xcgva001.grumman.com> From: "Meier, Christopher" To: "'Jinn Sinn'" Cc: "'dc-cycles'" Subject: RE: RE: Weekend ride? Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 07:34:09 -0800 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Hmmm. Maybe nowhere? It has been my experience that shops DON'T stock charged batteries. Which means that when you buy it early Sat am, you are looking at 8-12 hours of charging time. Granted you could quick charge it in about 2 hrs, but I am not sure that would be good for a new battery. Later and good luck, chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ > ---------- > From: Jinn Sinn[SMTP:JinnSinn@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 1998 10:18 AM > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: RE: Weekend ride? > > so where can I go battery hunting early on a Saturday morning (before > the > ride....) ? > > enquiring minds want to know > > Marcy > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 21 10:40:56 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA00726; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 10:40:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA17507; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 10:40:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA27020; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 10:40:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id JAA02575; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 09:39:57 -0600 (CST) Received: from imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid02.mcit.com [166.37.221.14]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id JAA03750; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 09:39:57 -0600 (CST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19980121153956.PKNE28757@[166.41.242.141]>; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 09:39:56 -0600 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 10:29 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" CC: Jinn Sinn , WantAZX6@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Weekend ride? X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980121153956.PKNE28757@[166.41.242.141]> I may show for saturday. Brian spoke up first, he gets to set the starting point. Got my tire for the Shadow, and if I get my rear turn-signal I may just stay home and re-assemble the little beasty. Todd > >Does this mean you're going, Todd!!?? ; ) > >- Jeannette > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Todd Peer [SMTP:Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX] >> Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 1998 9:52 AM >> To: Jinn Sinn >> Cc: WantAZX6@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX >> Subject: Re: Weekend ride? >> >> Jinn Sinn wrote: >> ><< May even bring a female along for the ride . >> >> > >> >Ahem! There may even be some FEMALES along DRIVING. *smack* :D >> >> No driving on a ride please. *whack* :-p >> From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 21 10:45:06 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA00818; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 10:45:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA17714; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 10:44:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA27177; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 10:44:53 -0500 (EST) From: Jinn Sinn Message-ID: Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 10:35:41 EST To: Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX, JinnSinn@XXXXXX Cc: WantAZX6@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: Weekend ride? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) In a message dated 1/21/98 10:10:31 AM, Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX wrote: <<><< May even bring a female along for the ride . >> > >Ahem! There may even be some FEMALES along DRIVING. *smack* :D No driving on a ride please. *whack* :-p>> oh my! please forgive my overwhelming ignorance! ;D I merely meant to indicate that we women would be the OPERATORS of some of the vehicles present on this RIDE (better?) In other words, that we, the women of the ride, intend to take charge of these machine-beasts and whip them, along with all of you, our love slaves, into fine form, so ......... gentlemen.....start your grovelling! MUAH HA H AH AH AH AHHAHAHAHAHHAHA ;D From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 21 10:57:38 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA01080; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 10:57:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA18013; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 10:57:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA27563; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 10:57:13 -0500 (EST) From: WantA ZX6 Message-ID: <6a4e20ae.34c6170e@aol.com> Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 10:41:00 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Weekend ride? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) In a message dated 98-01-21 10:29:02 EST, you write: << so where can I go battery hunting early on a Saturday morning (before the ride....) ? >> I would assume a bike shop? Why not go one of the weekday evenings so you dont hafta mess with it on Saturday? Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 21 11:01:16 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA01134; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 11:01:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA18082; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 11:01:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA27690; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 11:01:06 -0500 (EST) From: RDWOODJR Message-ID: <9085e7d0.34c61bad@aol.com> Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 11:00:43 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: New battery search. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) <> ><< Hmmm. Maybe nowhere? It has been my experience that shops DON'T stock charged batteries. Which means that when you buy it early Sat am, you are looking at 8-12 hours of charging time. Granted you could quick charge it in about 2 hrs, but I am not sure that would be good for a new battery. Later and good luck, chris >>< Do it Friday evening, most bike shops are open 7-8pm. If you call ahead, and let them charge a credit card, most will fill and charge the battery in advance. Many shops also have one or more of the expensive battery chargers that charge a new battery up to 100% in 45 minutes with no harm. Richard Wood From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 21 11:09:34 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA01257; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 11:09:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA18202; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 11:07:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA27910; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 11:06:23 -0500 (EST) From: Jinn Sinn Message-ID: <6a4e4b98.34c61cde@aol.com> Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 11:05:48 EST To: WantAZX6@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Weekend ride? feminist stuff Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) In a message dated 1/21/98 10:44:08 AM, you wrote: <> oh dear....as much as I want to respond to this call for speed....I haven;t even been riding for 3 months yet so in the interest of preserving my life a bit longer I'm afraid I must decline...................... ladies? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 21 11:09:34 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA01258; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 11:09:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA18206; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 11:07:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA27914; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 11:06:26 -0500 (EST) From: Jinn Sinn Message-ID: <644f0395.34c61a1e@aol.com> Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 10:54:04 EST To: MEIERCH@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: RE: RE: Weekend ride? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) In a message dated 1/21/98 10:33:36 AM, you wrote: <> ok in that case.....option B......I'm not POSITIVE I need a new battery although it's been recommended by a couple people...but basically bike died when it got cold, I jumped it, it started IMMEDIATEly with the jump cables on, I let it idle for about 5-10 minutes, put in in first, it died IMMEDIATEly again, wouldn't start normally...I could've jumped it again but it wasn't worth it since I was afraid to ride it anywhere figuring it wouldn;t start again later either and then I';d be stuck..... it's been suggested I jump it again and let it idle till the fan comes on to really charge up the battery...and technical thoughts are welcome!!!!!! thanks Marcy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 21 11:14:19 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA01317; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 11:14:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA18362; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 11:14:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from sundown.northgrum.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA28120; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 11:14:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from puff.northgrum.com (puff.northgrum.com [157.127.103.139]) by sundown.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id IAA07180 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 08:14:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from xcgca011.northgrum.com ([157.127.103.101]) by puff.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id IAA14386 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 08:14:08 -0800 (PST) Received: by XCGCA011 with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 08:14:59 -0800 Message-ID: <11D743514607D011A15500805FEA3464C9509C@xcgva001.grumman.com> From: "Meier, Christopher" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, "'Jinn Sinn'" Subject: RE: RE: RE: Weekend ride? Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 08:14:47 -0800 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain > ---------- > From: Jinn Sinn[SMTP:JinnSinn@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 1998 10:54 AM > To: MEIERCH@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: RE: RE: Weekend ride? > > > In a message dated 1/21/98 10:33:36 AM, you wrote: > > < Which means that when you buy it early Sat am, you are looking at 8-12 > hours of charging time.>> > > ok in that case.....option B......I'm not POSITIVE I need a new > battery > although it's been recommended by a couple people...but basically bike > died > You can always take your current (no pun intended) battery to a shop and they can do a load test on it to tell you if it is good or not. > when it got cold, I jumped it, it started IMMEDIATEly with the jump > cables on, > I let it idle for about 5-10 minutes, put in in first, it died > IMMEDIATEly > again, wouldn't start normally...I could've jumped it again but it > wasn't > Did it die sharply, as in a kickstand or gear interlock, or did it sputter and died because it wasn't warmed up enough? > worth it since I was afraid to ride it anywhere figuring it wouldn;t > start > again later either and then I';d be stuck..... it's been suggested I > jump it > again and let it idle till the fan comes on to really charge up the > battery...and technical thoughts are welcome!!!!!! > I don't think this will work ... most bikes that I have had need to be at several thousand RPMs before they start producing a charge. If I had a battery tender, I would lend it to you to let the battery charge for a few days. Perhaps someone else on the list could help this driver/rider out? > thanks > > Marcy > No problem, chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 21 11:37:28 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA01777; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 11:37:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA18916; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 11:37:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from m-net.arbornet.org by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA29019; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 11:37:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (bmccoy@localhost) by m-net.arbornet.org (8.8.5/8.8.6) with SMTP id LAA16149 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 11:31:01 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 11:31:01 -0500 (EST) From: Brian McCoy cc: DC-Cycles list Subject: Re: Weekend ride? feminist stuff In-Reply-To: <6a4e4b98.34c61cde@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sorry, I don't race on the street - tell you what, take it to Summit Point either durring a sanctioned race weekend or durring one of Cycle Sports track days and we'll compete for bragging rights... I bet Collin and I are high on the food chain (Bergie to according to Collin!). On Wed, 21 Jan 1998, Jinn Sinn wrote: > > < rides we should stop at the Old Dominion Speedway for some time trials for > bragging rights on DC-cycles. THEN maybe we will see who the whipped ones > are??? > Anyone care to second that???>> > Brian P. McCoy - 86' VF500fg (street) - 92/94 RS125 (race) bmccoy@XXXXXX (work) (301)210-8000 x 2155 (work) bmccoy@XXXXXX (personal) (301)445-4451 (home) www.geocities.com\motorcity\1319 (OLD Homepage - view at your own risk) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 21 11:37:29 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA01782; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 11:37:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA18920; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 11:37:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from m-net.arbornet.org by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA29022; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 11:37:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (bmccoy@localhost) by m-net.arbornet.org (8.8.5/8.8.6) with SMTP id LAA12545 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 11:13:04 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 11:13:04 -0500 (EST) From: Brian McCoy cc: DC-Cycles list Subject: RE: Weekend ride? In-Reply-To: <19980121153956.PKNE28757@[166.41.242.141]> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Whee.. me, pick a starting point? My house? Alright, how about the McD. on Rt1 that we started from once down there? That seemed to be a fairly (in)convienent place to start - and I personaly like early starts, so 9am? 10am? Todd, if you're not going, at least get me a route listing for down there - I've been over most of the roads a couple of time and could probably lead.. but I know you'll be there.. or we'll come wake you up and drag you with... On Wed, 21 Jan 1998, Todd Peer wrote: > > I may show for saturday. Brian spoke up first, he gets to set the > starting point. > > Got my tire for the Shadow, and if I get my rear turn-signal I may > just stay home and re-assemble the little beasty. Brian P. McCoy - 86' VF500fg (street) - 92/94 RS125 (race) bmccoy@XXXXXX (work) (301)210-8000 x 2155 (work) bmccoy@XXXXXX (personal) (301)445-4451 (home) www.geocities.com\motorcity\1319 (OLD Homepage - view at your own risk) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 21 11:44:35 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA01884; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 11:44:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA19340; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 11:44:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA29213; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 11:44:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay2.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id LAA21540; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 11:44:21 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 11:43:06 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D39EA7D@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Brian McCoy'" Cc: DC-Cycles list Subject: RE: Weekend ride? Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 11:41:28 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Great starting point for me!! However, weather's predicting early rain, then clearing...just to warn ya. - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian McCoy [SMTP:bmccoy@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 1998 11:13 AM > Cc: DC-Cycles list > Subject: RE: Weekend ride? > > Whee.. me, pick a starting point? My house? Alright, how about > the > McD. on Rt1 that we started from once down there? That seemed to be a > fairly (in)convienent place to start - and I personaly like early > starts, > so 9am? 10am? Todd, if you're not going, at least get me a route > listing > for down there - I've been over most of the roads a couple of time and > could probably lead.. but I know you'll be there.. or we'll come wake > you > up and drag you with... > > > On Wed, 21 Jan 1998, Todd Peer wrote: > > > > I may show for saturday. Brian spoke up first, he gets to set the > > starting point. > > > > Got my tire for the Shadow, and if I get my rear turn-signal I may > > just stay home and re-assemble the little beasty. > > Brian P. McCoy - 86' VF500fg (street) - 92/94 RS125 (race) > bmccoy@XXXXXX (work) (301)210-8000 x 2155 (work) > bmccoy@XXXXXX (personal) (301)445-4451 (home) > www.geocities.com\motorcity\1319 (OLD Homepage - view at your own > risk) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 21 11:47:17 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA01909; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 11:47:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA19561; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 11:47:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from m-net.arbornet.org by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA29284; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 11:47:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (bmccoy@localhost) by m-net.arbornet.org (8.8.5/8.8.6) with SMTP id LAA12780; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 11:14:42 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 11:14:42 -0500 (EST) From: Brian McCoy To: Jinn Sinn cc: Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX, WantAZX6@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: Weekend ride? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I see that she needs some humility.. glad she'll be on the ride with us.. (who was doing the 'grovelling' when your bike wouldn't start/run BTW?) On Wed, 21 Jan 1998, Jinn Sinn wrote: > > oh my! please forgive my overwhelming ignorance! ;D I merely meant to indicate > that we women would be the OPERATORS of some of the vehicles present on this > RIDE (better?) In other words, that we, the women of the ride, intend to take > charge of these machine-beasts and whip them, along with all of you, our love > slaves, into fine form, so ......... gentlemen.....start your grovelling! > MUAH HA H AH AH AH AHHAHAHAHAHHAHA ;D > Brian P. McCoy - 86' VF500fg (street) - 92/94 RS125 (race) bmccoy@XXXXXX (work) (301)210-8000 x 2155 (work) bmccoy@XXXXXX (personal) (301)445-4451 (home) www.geocities.com\motorcity\1319 (OLD Homepage - view at your own risk) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 21 11:49:41 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA01956; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 11:49:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA19684; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 11:49:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from dlt5.dlt.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA29341; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 11:49:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from ANITA by dlt5.dlt.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.0.1457.7) id DBJDXAHH; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 11:57:21 -0500 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 11:50:59 -0500 Message-ID: <01BD2662.D6EF4F20.anita@dlt.com> From: Anita Lauro Reply-To: "2xracers@XXXXXX" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: "'Meier, Christopher'" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" , "'Jinn Sinn'" Subject: RE: RE: RE: Weekend ride? Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 11:50:55 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Wednesday, January 21, 1998 11:15 AM, Meier, Christopher [SMTP:MEIERCH@XXXXXX] wrote: > I don't think this will work ... most bikes that I have had need to be > at several thousand RPMs before they start producing a charge. If I had > a battery tender, I would lend it to you to let the battery charge for a > few days. Perhaps someone else on the list could help this > driver/rider out? I bought a trickle charger back in November right after the battery died on my Nighthawk (and would be happy to loan it out). The charger worked just fine, but the battery would only hold the charge if I rode the bike every day. After sitting for 2-3 days it was dead again. The battery was no more than 2 years old but at that point I decided $40 for a new one would be a good investment. Now it starts right up even after a week or so (probably longer but that's the longest it has sat for)... I bought the battery at Manassas Honda... gave them a credit card number over the phone, and they had it charged up and ready for me an hour or so later. Rode the bike down, swapped batteries in the parking lot and gave them back the old one to dispose of. Easy as pie! Anita From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 21 12:20:10 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA02510; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 12:20:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA20300; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 12:19:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from kilcody.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA00444; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 12:19:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.kilcody.com ([10.128.0.110]) by GKCATL01.kilcody.com with ESMTP id <19590>; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 12:17:12 -0500 Received: by mail.kilcody.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 12:20:47 -0500 From: "Slawson, Kurt" To: dc-cycles Subject: Backfiring Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 12:15:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <98Jan21.121712est.19590@GKCATL01.kilcody.com> Here's another stupid question: What causes a bike to backfire? I went to kickstart my bike last night, after it had been sitting outside in the cold for several hours, and it set off a ferocious backfire after a few tries. (In case anyone was travelling along NY Avenue near the White House last night, that loud sound you heard around 9:00 p.m. wasn't a gunshot. Just my bike). I got it started after several more tries, and it ran fine all the way home. I'm just wondering what caused it. Thanks. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 21 12:32:22 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA02743; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 12:32:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA20647; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 12:31:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from goliath.intelsol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA00794; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 12:31:57 -0500 (EST) From: sbeck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.06 (346.8 3-18-1997)) id 85256593.0060FE5B ; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 12:39:25 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: JinnSinn@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256593.005D95A2.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 12:39:21 -0400 Subject: Re: RE: RE: Weekend ride? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII it's been suggested I jump it again and let it idle till the fan comes on to really charge up the battery...and technical thoughts are welcome!!!!!! That will not work. The only way to get it up to a full proper charge is with a trickle charger over a period of at least 17 hours. If the battery is extremely low, then even more time is usually required. When you buy a new battery, most shops do not charge them properly. Some don't charge them at all because there will be enough power to start the bike (approx. 60 percent of the batteries ability). The problem with this is the battery will never be better than 60 or 70 percent of its capacity through its whole life. It also shortens its life by a considerable amount. A battery done properly and maintained properly will last at least 4 years. When not done properly, you can easily divide that life span in half. To be sure you get it done right, you will probably have to do it yourself. Buy a trickle battery charger (economy models usually cost less then $20). You can also find batteries for most bikes at Wal-Mart at very reasonable prices. Many are only about $29. I bought the largest one they had for less than $50. They come with a container of battery acid that you put in yourself. It's very easy to do, costs lots less than any bike shop and you will be sure that the battery has been properly charged before installing it in your bike. And you also get the satisfaction of knowing that you did a better job than the shop will do. If you go to a shop, there is a good chance thay will charge you probably 2 or 3 times as much for the same battery, and then will not take the time to charge it properly. Hope this helps. Good luck. Steve Beck From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 21 12:39:22 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA02836; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 12:39:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA20786; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 12:39:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from goliath.intelsol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA01027; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 12:39:08 -0500 (EST) From: sbeck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.06 (346.8 3-18-1997)) id 85256593.0061A377 ; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 12:46:28 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: kslawson@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256593.00615AB3.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 12:45:17 -0400 Subject: Re: Backfiring Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII (In case anyone was traveling along NY Avenue near the White House last night, that loud sound you heard around 9:00 p.m. wasn't a gunshot. I'll bet the Secret Service loves hearing such disturbances. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 21 12:56:16 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA03109; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 12:56:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA21527; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 12:55:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA01601; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 12:55:21 -0500 (EST) From: WantA ZX6 Message-ID: <3510c1e4.34c63271@aol.com> Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 12:37:51 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: WFO Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) What does that mean????? Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 21 13:16:47 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA03715; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 13:16:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA23211; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 13:15:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from dadc011.army.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA02305; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 13:14:28 -0500 (EST) Received: by Pentagon-DADC011.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 13:17:16 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: WantA ZX6 , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: WFO Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 13:17:09 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Wide Fucking Open. Glenn Dysart DysarGB@XXXXXX dysart@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna > -----Original Message----- > From: WantA ZX6 [SMTP:WantAZX6@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 1998 12:38 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: WFO > > What does that mean????? > > Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 21 13:43:24 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA04415; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 13:43:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA23871; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 13:42:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from xgate.usia.gov by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA03526; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 13:42:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from Connect2 Message Router by xgate.usia.gov via Connect2-SMTP 4.31.02; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 13:38:49 -0500 Message-ID: <3734C63401BD1160@xgate.usia.gov> In-Reply-To: <3034C63401BD1160@xgate.usia.gov> Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 13:41:46 -0500 From: "Adams, Bill" Sender: "Adams, Bill" Organization: USIA To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (dc-cycles) Subject: Re: Backfiring Importance: High X-SMF-Hop-Count: 2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Connect2-SMTP 4.31.02 MHS/SMF to SMTP Gateway Kurt asks what possible reason there could be for a backfire. If it was through the exhaust, it was due to unburnt fuel vapor in the exhaust pipe igniting on the next kickover (motorcycles fire spark on both the compression AND exhaust stroke). Bill Adams 3D Artist/Animator '66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon, '81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard: "Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 21 13:45:01 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA04447; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 13:45:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA23911; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 13:44:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA03588; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 13:44:48 -0500 (EST) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id NAA02983; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 13:44:37 -0500 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 13:44:37 -0500 (EST) From: Garcia Oliver To: Jinn Sinn cc: MEIERCH@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: RE: RE: Weekend ride? In-Reply-To: <644f0395.34c61a1e@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Do NOT idle a bike (or car) for extended periods: marginal lubrication plus un-smooth power pulses (I can't think of a better way of describing it at the moment) will cause damage to plain bearings. Besides which, the idle rpm is usually inadequate to maintain a battery, let alone charge one up. You will also foul spark plugs and overheat air-cooled engines. Get a battery charger. --garcia On Wed, 21 Jan 1998, Jinn Sinn wrote: > > In a message dated 1/21/98 10:33:36 AM, you wrote: > > < Which means that when you buy it early Sat am, you are looking at 8-12 > hours of charging time.>> > > ok in that case.....option B......I'm not POSITIVE I need a new battery > although it's been recommended by a couple people...but basically bike died > when it got cold, I jumped it, it started IMMEDIATEly with the jump cables on, > I let it idle for about 5-10 minutes, put in in first, it died IMMEDIATEly > again, wouldn't start normally...I could've jumped it again but it wasn't > worth it since I was afraid to ride it anywhere figuring it wouldn;t start > again later either and then I';d be stuck..... it's been suggested I jump it > again and let it idle till the fan comes on to really charge up the > battery...and technical thoughts are welcome!!!!!! > > thanks > > Marcy > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 21 14:00:24 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA05323; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 14:00:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA24084; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 14:00:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA05041; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 13:59:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com by mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (8.8.8/McCaw V8 version 1) id KAA02852; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 10:59:08 -0800 (PST) Received: by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id KAA15393; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 10:59:07 -0800 Received: from hq_msg01.nwest.mccaw.com by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id KAA15389; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 10:59:05 -0800 Received: by hq_msg01.nwest.mccaw.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD265B.8F553F50@XXXXXX>; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 10:58:52 -0800 Message-ID: From: "Viteri, Ursulina" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Batteries Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 10:55:22 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 52 TEXT But I was told to let the bike warm up until the temperature gauge reaches midpoint. That can take 5 to 7 minutes on a chilly day/night. Ursulina Viteri 202-416-6534 * Fax 202-223-9095 AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. - Washington, DC >-----Original Message----- >From: Garcia Oliver [SMTP:garicao@XXXXXX] >Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 1998 10:45 AM >To: Jinn Sinn >Cc: MEIERCH@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: RE: RE: Weekend ride? > >Do NOT idle a bike (or car) for extended periods: marginal lubrication >plus un-smooth power pulses (I can't think of a better way of describing >it at the moment) will cause damage to plain bearings. > >Besides which, the idle rpm is usually inadequate to maintain a >battery, let alone charge one up. > >You will also foul spark plugs and overheat air-cooled engines. > >Get a battery charger. > >--garcia > >On Wed, 21 Jan 1998, Jinn Sinn wrote: > >> >> In a message dated 1/21/98 10:33:36 AM, you wrote: >> >> <> Which means that when you buy it early Sat am, you are looking at 8-12 >> hours of charging time.>> >> >> ok in that case.....option B......I'm not POSITIVE I need a new battery >> although it's been recommended by a couple people...but basically bike died >> when it got cold, I jumped it, it started IMMEDIATEly with the jump cables >>on, >> I let it idle for about 5-10 minutes, put in in first, it died IMMEDIATEly >> again, wouldn't start normally...I could've jumped it again but it wasn't >> worth it since I was afraid to ride it anywhere figuring it wouldn;t start >> again later either and then I';d be stuck..... it's been suggested I jump >>it >> again and let it idle till the fan comes on to really charge up the >> battery...and technical thoughts are welcome!!!!!! >> >> thanks >> >> Marcy >> From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 21 14:08:22 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA05827; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 14:08:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA24381; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 14:08:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA05999; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 14:08:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id OAA02623 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 14:07:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid01.mcit.com [166.37.221.13]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id NAA31208 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 13:07:31 -0600 (CST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19980121190730.SWEM215@[166.41.242.141]> for ; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 13:07:30 -0600 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 13:57 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: dc-cycles Subject: Batteries..All you ever needed to know. X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980121190730.SWEM215@[166.41.242.141]> Long, but very good article. http://mcnews.com/articles/battery.htm Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 21 14:10:20 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA05883; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 14:10:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA24407; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 14:10:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA06054; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 14:10:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com by mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (8.8.8/McCaw V8 version 1) id LAA05130; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 11:09:35 -0800 (PST) Received: by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id LAA18217; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 11:09:32 -0800 Received: from hq-msg01.nwest.mccaw.com by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id LAA18204; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 11:09:30 -0800 Received: by hq-msg01.nwest.mccaw.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD265D.02E49230@XXXXXX>; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 11:09:15 -0800 Message-ID: From: "Viteri, Ursulina" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Batteries Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 11:05:46 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 52 TEXT >But I was told to let the bike warm up until the temperature gauge reaches >midpoint. That can take 5 to 7 minutes on a chilly day/night. > >Ursulina Viteri >202-416-6534 * Fax 202-223-9095 >AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. - Washington, DC > >-----Original Message----- >From: Garcia Oliver [SMTP:garicao@XXXXXX] >Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 1998 10:45 AM >To: Jinn Sinn >Cc: MEIERCH@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: RE: RE: Weekend ride? > >Do NOT idle a bike (or car) for extended periods: marginal lubrication >plus un-smooth power pulses (I can't think of a better way of describing >it at the moment) will cause damage to plain bearings. > >Besides which, the idle rpm is usually inadequate to maintain a >battery, let alone charge one up. > >You will also foul spark plugs and overheat air-cooled engines. > >Get a battery charger. > >--garcia > >On Wed, 21 Jan 1998, Jinn Sinn wrote: > >> >> In a message dated 1/21/98 10:33:36 AM, you wrote: >> >> <> Which means that when you buy it early Sat am, you are looking at 8-12 >> hours of charging time.>> >> >> ok in that case.....option B......I'm not POSITIVE I need a new battery >> although it's been recommended by a couple people...but basically bike died >> when it got cold, I jumped it, it started IMMEDIATEly with the jump cables >>on, >> I let it idle for about 5-10 minutes, put in in first, it died IMMEDIATEly >> again, wouldn't start normally...I could've jumped it again but it wasn't >> worth it since I was afraid to ride it anywhere figuring it wouldn;t start >> again later either and then I';d be stuck..... it's been suggested I jump >>it >> again and let it idle till the fan comes on to really charge up the >> battery...and technical thoughts are welcome!!!!!! >> >> thanks >> >> Marcy >> From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 21 14:21:05 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA06086; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 14:21:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA24592; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 14:20:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from drquest.digex.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA06454; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 14:20:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from 172.17.2.13 (pix000050.staff.digex.net [206.205.168.62]) by drquest.digex.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA17536; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 14:20:40 -0500 X-Mailer: InterCon tcpCONNECT4 4.0.2 (Macintosh) MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <9801211422.AA08830@172.17.2.13> Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 14:22:08 -0500 From: "Matt Elliott - DIGEX" To: "Viteri, Ursulina" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: Batteries Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: Inline I've been lurking, but this caught my eye. I always let the 95 750 Nighthawk warm up for about 3-5 minutes, and I always let the truck warm up also, to (in theory) get the oil througout the engine before I start riding. I'm not a mechanic by any means, but followed in the steps of good 'ol dad. So the question is, should you not warm up the bike (or cage if anyone knows) Tx, Matt > ut I was told to let the bike warm up until the temperature gauge > reaches midpoint. That can take 5 to 7 minutes on a chilly day/night. > > Ursulina Viteri > 202-416-6534 * Fax 202-223-9095 > AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. - Washington, DC > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Garcia Oliver [SMTP:garicao@XXXXXX] > >Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 1998 10:45 AM To: Jinn Sinn > >Cc: MEIERCH@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: > >Re: RE: RE: Weekend ride? > > > >Do NOT idle a bike (or car) for extended periods: marginal > >lubrication plus un-smooth power pulses (I can't think of a better way > >of describing it at the moment) will cause damage to plain bearings. > > > >Besides which, the idle rpm is usually inadequate to maintain a > >battery, let alone charge one up. > > > >You will also foul spark plugs and overheat air-cooled engines. > > > >Get a battery charger. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 21 14:35:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA06432; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 14:35:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA24775; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 14:35:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA07030; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 14:35:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id NAA15184 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 13:34:43 -0600 (CST) Received: from nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (nmta2.mcit.com [166.37.172.3]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id NAA06964 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 13:34:42 -0600 (CST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19980121193442.BUVX6587@[166.41.242.141]> for ; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 14:34:42 -0500 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 14:25 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: dc-cycles Subject: Re: cc:Mail Link to SMTP Undeliverable Message: Unknown user: mehran firouz X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980121193442.BUVX6587@[166.41.242.141]> Who the HELL is Mehran Firouz!!! Everytime I post to DC Cycles, this guys administrator spits back. Harry, are you listening??? Todd From: administrator@XXXXXX Message-Id: <9801218854.AA885410763@hdq-mdm1-imgout.marriott.com> Date: Wed, 21 Jan 98 14:18:07 -0500 To: Subject: cc:Mail Link to SMTP Undeliverable Message: Unknown user: mehran firouz Long, but very good article. http://mcnews.com/articles/battery.htm Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 21 14:39:50 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA06569; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 14:39:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA24924; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 14:39:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA07110; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 14:39:37 -0500 (EST) Received: by hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD267A.007D9E20@XXXXXX>; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 14:36:47 -0500 Message-ID: From: To: , Cc: Subject: RE: Batteries Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 14:36:45 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 47 TEXT What Garcia said was "extended periods of time" - I think 3-7 minutes is not over idling especially on a cold day. M&Ms - The Only Year 2000 Compliant Candy "MM means Millennium" ---------- From: Matt Elliott - DIGEX[SMTP:elliottm@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 1998 2:22 PM To: Viteri, Ursulina Cc: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' Subject: Re: Batteries I've been lurking, but this caught my eye. I always let the 95 750 Nighthawk warm up for about 3-5 minutes, and I always let the truck warm up also, to (in theory) get the oil througout the engine before I start riding. I'm not a mechanic by any means, but followed in the steps of good 'ol dad. So the question is, should you not warm up the bike (or cage if anyone knows) Tx, Matt > ut I was told to let the bike warm up until the temperature gauge > reaches midpoint. That can take 5 to 7 minutes on a chilly day/night. > > Ursulina Viteri > 202-416-6534 * Fax 202-223-9095 > AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. - Washington, DC > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Garcia Oliver [SMTP:garicao@XXXXXX] > >Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 1998 10:45 AM To: Jinn Sinn > >Cc: MEIERCH@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: > >Re: RE: RE: Weekend ride? > > > >Do NOT idle a bike (or car) for extended periods: marginal > >lubrication plus un-smooth power pulses (I can't think of a better way > >of describing it at the moment) will cause damage to plain bearings. > > > >Besides which, the idle rpm is usually inadequate to maintain a > >battery, let alone charge one up. > > > >You will also foul spark plugs and overheat air-cooled engines. > > > >Get a battery charger. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 21 14:43:19 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA06626; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 14:43:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA25085; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 14:42:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA07218; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 14:42:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id OAA16513; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 14:42:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid02.mcit.com [166.37.221.14]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id OAA09513; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 14:42:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from mci.com ([166.32.114.127]) by imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with ESMTP id <19980121194224.QMZD28757@XXXXXX>; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 13:42:24 -0600 Message-ID: <34C64FA0.BB5B20EA@mci.com> Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 14:42:24 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Reply-To: Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Matt Elliott - DIGEX CC: "Viteri, Ursulina" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: Batteries References: <9801211422.AA08830@172.17.2.13> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit By extended periods, I think that would mean anything approaching 10 minutes or longer. I think you guys are fine. I admire your patience, it's tough for me to wait that long before I take off. Dale (the Horkster) Matt Elliott - DIGEX wrote: > I've been lurking, but this caught my eye. I always let the 95 750 Nighthawk > warm up for about 3-5 minutes, and I always let the truck warm up also, to (in > theory) get the oil througout the engine before I start riding. I'm not a > mechanic by any means, but followed in the steps of good 'ol dad. > > So the question is, should you not warm up the bike (or cage if anyone knows) > > Tx, > Matt > > > ut I was told to let the bike warm up until the temperature gauge > > reaches midpoint. That can take 5 to 7 minutes on a chilly day/night. > > > > Ursulina Viteri > > 202-416-6534 * Fax 202-223-9095 > > AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. - Washington, DC > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > >From: Garcia Oliver [SMTP:garicao@XXXXXX] > > >Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 1998 10:45 AM To: Jinn Sinn > > >Cc: MEIERCH@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: > > >Re: RE: RE: Weekend ride? > > > > > >Do NOT idle a bike (or car) for extended periods: marginal > > >lubrication plus un-smooth power pulses (I can't think of a better way > > >of describing it at the moment) will cause damage to plain bearings. > > > > > >Besides which, the idle rpm is usually inadequate to maintain a > > >battery, let alone charge one up. > > > > > >You will also foul spark plugs and overheat air-cooled engines. > > > > > >Get a battery charger. > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 21 14:52:29 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA06845; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 14:52:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA25883; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 14:52:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA07560; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 14:52:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com by mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (8.8.8/McCaw V8 version 1) id LAA14794; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 11:51:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id LAA01748; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 11:51:35 -0800 Received: from hq-msg01.nwest.mccaw.com by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id LAA01737; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 11:51:33 -0800 Received: by hq-msg01.nwest.mccaw.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD2662.E24560D0@XXXXXX>; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 11:51:18 -0800 Message-ID: From: "Viteri, Ursulina" To: "'tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX'" , "'ursulina.viteri@XXXXXX'" , "'elliottm@XXXXXX'" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Batteries Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 11:47:46 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 64 TEXT I think you're right. Since all my riding has been during the fall and winter months, the bike is COLD when I start it. During warmer months the idle time should be much shorter, I would think. Ursulina Viteri 202-416-6534 * Fax 202-223-9095 AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. - Washington, DC >-----Original Message----- >From: tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX [SMTP:tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX] >Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 1998 11:37 AM >To: ursulina.viteri@XXXXXX; elliottm@XXXXXX >Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: RE: Batteries > >What Garcia said was "extended periods of time" - I think 3-7 minutes is not >over idling especially on a cold day. >M&Ms - The Only Year 2000 Compliant Candy > "MM means Millennium" > >---------- >From: Matt Elliott - DIGEX[SMTP:elliottm@XXXXXX] >Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 1998 2:22 PM >To: Viteri, Ursulina >Cc: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' >Subject: Re: Batteries > >I've been lurking, but this caught my eye. I always let the 95 750 Nighthawk >warm up for about 3-5 minutes, and I always let the truck warm up also, to >(in >theory) get the oil througout the engine before I start riding. I'm not a >mechanic by any means, but followed in the steps of good 'ol dad. > >So the question is, should you not warm up the bike (or cage if anyone knows) > >Tx, >Matt > >> ut I was told to let the bike warm up until the temperature gauge >> reaches midpoint. That can take 5 to 7 minutes on a chilly day/night. >> >> Ursulina Viteri >> 202-416-6534 * Fax 202-223-9095 >> AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. - Washington, DC >> >> >-----Original Message----- >> >From: Garcia Oliver [SMTP:garicao@XXXXXX] >> >Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 1998 10:45 AM To: Jinn Sinn >> >Cc: MEIERCH@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: >> >Re: RE: RE: Weekend ride? >> > >> >Do NOT idle a bike (or car) for extended periods: marginal >> >lubrication plus un-smooth power pulses (I can't think of a better way >> >of describing it at the moment) will cause damage to plain bearings. >> > >> >Besides which, the idle rpm is usually inadequate to maintain a >> >battery, let alone charge one up. >> > >> >You will also foul spark plugs and overheat air-cooled engines. >> > >> >Get a battery charger. >> > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 21 15:04:12 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA07116; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 15:04:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA26294; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 15:03:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from m-net.arbornet.org by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA07889; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 15:03:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (bmccoy@localhost) by m-net.arbornet.org (8.8.5/8.8.6) with SMTP id OAA05820 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 14:58:49 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 14:58:49 -0500 (EST) From: Brian McCoy cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: Batteries In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Well, I hope THAT'S not true.. my bike hasn't reached that point since it was 60 out - hell, I'm lucky to get it to even budge most of the time (10 mile trips)).. On Wed, 21 Jan 1998, Viteri, Ursulina wrote: > But I was told to let the bike warm up until the temperature gauge > reaches midpoint. That can take 5 to 7 minutes on a chilly day/night. Brian P. McCoy - 86' VF500fg (street) - 92/94 RS125 (race) bmccoy@XXXXXX (work) (301)210-8000 x 2155 (work) bmccoy@XXXXXX (personal) (301)445-4451 (home) www.geocities.com\motorcity\1319 (OLD Homepage - view at your own risk) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 21 15:17:50 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA07389; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 15:17:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA27272; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 15:17:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA08322; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 15:17:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.02c) id A78FB4000B2; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 15:16:18 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980121151128.00947640@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 15:11:28 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: RE: RE: Weekend ride? In-Reply-To: <644f0395.34c61a1e@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >ok in that case.....option B......I'm not POSITIVE I need a new battery >although it's been recommended by a couple people.. Pull the battery, check the water, clean all the connections, charge it up, THEN see how it performs (cheaper than a new battery). Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 21 15:17:50 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA07387; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 15:17:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA27275; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 15:17:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA08329; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 15:17:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.02c) id A793B4000B2; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 15:16:19 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980121151402.00947640@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 15:14:02 -0500 To: WantA ZX6 , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: WFO In-Reply-To: <3510c1e4.34c63271@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:37 PM 1/21/98 EST, WantA ZX6 wrote: >What does that mean????? > >Jack Wide Full Open (full throttle) or whatever F word you desire. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 21 15:17:49 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA07388; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 15:17:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA27267; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 15:17:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA08316; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 15:17:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.02c) id A791B4000B2; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 15:16:17 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980121150532.00947640@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 15:05:32 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Weekend ride? In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980121092746.00bbc478@postoffice.bellatlantic.n et> References: <52b196b1.34c57d33@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" So is this list. Where are you? Chris Norloff ******************************************** At 09:27 AM 1/21/98 -0500, Mark E. Truelove wrote: > >Hmmph. Must be a DC thing. :) > >MET > >At 11:44 PM 1/20/98 EST, Jinn Sinn wrote: >>perhaps the VERY COLD weather??? ;D > > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >Mark E. Truelove (true@XXXXXX) http://www.clark.net/pub/pooh/ >Polaris Technology Group http://www.angelfire.com/biz/polaristech/ >Placement Specialists: SAP PeopleSoft Notes Fiber-Optics NT UNIX DBs >======================================================================= > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 21 15:17:51 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA07396; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 15:17:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA27273; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 15:17:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA08327; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 15:17:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.02c) id A790B4000B2; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 15:16:19 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980121151657.00948680@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 15:16:57 -0500 To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Batteries In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Not necessary. In the really cold weather, it's a good idea to warm the engine for a minute or two, until it runs and pulls smoothly. Then just head out and ride easily, closing the choke as soon as you can. Prolonged idling just wastes gas. And I've heard that In-line four-cylinder engines can suffer oil starvation to the "uphill" cyllinder from prolonged idling will leaned over on the sidestand. Chris Norloff At 10:55 AM 1/21/98 -0800, Viteri, Ursulina wrote: >But I was told to let the bike warm up until the temperature gauge >reaches midpoint. That can take 5 to 7 minutes on a chilly day/night. >> >>Do NOT idle a bike (or car) for extended periods: marginal lubrication >>plus un-smooth power pulses (I can't think of a better way of describing >>it at the moment) will cause damage to plain bearings. >> >>Besides which, the idle rpm is usually inadequate to maintain a >>battery, let alone charge one up. >> >>You will also foul spark plugs and overheat air-cooled engines. >> >>Get a battery charger. >> >>--garcia >> >>On Wed, 21 Jan 1998, Jinn Sinn wrote: >> >>> >>> In a message dated 1/21/98 10:33:36 AM, you wrote: >>> >>> <>> Which means that when you buy it early Sat am, you are looking at 8-12 >>> hours of charging time.>> >>> >>> ok in that case.....option B......I'm not POSITIVE I need a new battery >>> although it's been recommended by a couple people...but basically bike died >>> when it got cold, I jumped it, it started IMMEDIATEly with the jump cables >>>on, >>> I let it idle for about 5-10 minutes, put in in first, it died IMMEDIATEly >>> again, wouldn't start normally...I could've jumped it again but it wasn't >>> worth it since I was afraid to ride it anywhere figuring it wouldn;t start >>> again later either and then I';d be stuck..... it's been suggested I jump >>>it >>> again and let it idle till the fan comes on to really charge up the >>> battery...and technical thoughts are welcome!!!!!! >>> >>> thanks >>> >>> Marcy >>> > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 21 15:17:53 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA07406; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 15:17:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA27266; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 15:17:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA08318; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 15:17:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.02c) id A78EB4000B2; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 15:16:17 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980121150713.00947640@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 15:07:13 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: RE: Weekend ride? In-Reply-To: <2b50ed8d.34c611dd@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:18 AM 1/21/98 EST, Jinn Sinn wrote: >so where can I go battery hunting early on a Saturday morning (before the >ride....) ? > >enquiring minds want to know > >Marcy Well, after trying Trak Auto (doesn't sell mc batteries) and Hi-Gear (doesn't exist), it looks like the best bet for me is to head for Wal-Mart (nearest for me is in Centreville, VA). I can handle the price ... $32 Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 21 15:25:06 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA07589; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 15:25:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA27784; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 15:24:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA08639; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 15:24:53 -0500 (EST) From: Surfnwebr Message-ID: Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 15:08:38 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: cc:Mail Link to SMTP Undeliverable Message: Unknown user: mehran firouz Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) << << Who the HELL is Mehran Firouz!!! Everytime I post to DC Cycles, this guys administrator spits back. Harry, are you listening??? Todd >> >> That would be Zuorif Narhem backwards. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 21 15:28:35 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA07648; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 15:28:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA28083; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 15:28:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from dns01.ops.usa.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA08666; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 15:28:17 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 26881 invoked by alias); 21 Jan 1998 20:28:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 26874 invoked from network); 21 Jan 1998 20:28:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jywon.imi?dc) (12.3.130.190) by dns01.ops.usa.net with SMTP; 21 Jan 1998 20:28:14 -0000 Message-ID: <003401bd26ab$18d33580$be82030c@jywon.imi_dc> Reply-To: "Justin Won" From: "Justin Won" To: Subject: Re: WFO Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 15:26:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Wide-full-open for the rest of us. ;-) Justin -----Original Message----- From: Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN To: WantA ZX6 ; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wednesday, January 21, 1998 12:23 PM Subject: RE: WFO >Wide Fucking Open. > >Glenn Dysart >DysarGB@XXXXXX >dysart@XXXXXX > >84 V30 Magna > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: WantA ZX6 [SMTP:WantAZX6@XXXXXX] >> Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 1998 12:38 PM >> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >> Subject: WFO >> >> What does that mean????? >> >> Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 21 15:45:35 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA08014; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 15:45:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA28880; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 15:45:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA09277; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 15:45:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com by mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (8.8.8/McCaw V8 version 1) id MAA25347; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 12:44:37 -0800 (PST) Received: by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id MAA18222; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 12:44:33 -0800 Received: from hq_msg01.nwest.mccaw.com by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id MAA18191; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 12:44:28 -0800 Received: by hq_msg01.nwest.mccaw.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD266A.44DB3F10@XXXXXX>; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 12:44:09 -0800 Message-ID: From: "Viteri, Ursulina" To: "'Chris Norloff'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Batteries Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 12:40:35 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 74 TEXT So then it's not necessary to let the bike idle for that long?! I'll try this out next time I go for a spin. Ursulina Viteri 202-416-6534 * Fax 202-223-9095 AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. - Washington, DC >-----Original Message----- >From: Chris Norloff [SMTP:cnorloff@XXXXXX] >Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 1998 12:17 PM >To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' >Subject: Re: Batteries > >Not necessary. In the really cold weather, it's a good idea to warm the >engine for a minute or two, until it runs and pulls smoothly. Then just >head out and ride easily, closing the choke as soon as you can. > >Prolonged idling just wastes gas. And I've heard that In-line >four-cylinder engines can suffer oil starvation to the "uphill" cyllinder >from prolonged idling will leaned over on the sidestand. > >Chris Norloff > > >At 10:55 AM 1/21/98 -0800, Viteri, Ursulina wrote: >>But I was told to let the bike warm up until the temperature gauge >>reaches midpoint. That can take 5 to 7 minutes on a chilly day/night. >>> >>>Do NOT idle a bike (or car) for extended periods: marginal lubrication >>>plus un-smooth power pulses (I can't think of a better way of describing >>>it at the moment) will cause damage to plain bearings. >>> >>>Besides which, the idle rpm is usually inadequate to maintain a >>>battery, let alone charge one up. >>> >>>You will also foul spark plugs and overheat air-cooled engines. >>> >>>Get a battery charger. >>> >>>--garcia >>> >>>On Wed, 21 Jan 1998, Jinn Sinn wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> In a message dated 1/21/98 10:33:36 AM, you wrote: >>>> >>>> <>>> Which means that when you buy it early Sat am, you are looking at 8-12 >>>> hours of charging time.>> >>>> >>>> ok in that case.....option B......I'm not POSITIVE I need a new battery >>>> although it's been recommended by a couple people...but basically bike >died >>>> when it got cold, I jumped it, it started IMMEDIATEly with the jump >>>>cables >>>>on, >>>> I let it idle for about 5-10 minutes, put in in first, it died >>>>IMMEDIATEly >>>> again, wouldn't start normally...I could've jumped it again but it wasn't >>>> worth it since I was afraid to ride it anywhere figuring it wouldn;t >>>>start >>>> again later either and then I';d be stuck..... it's been suggested I jump >>>>it >>>> again and let it idle till the fan comes on to really charge up the >>>> battery...and technical thoughts are welcome!!!!!! >>>> >>>> thanks >>>> >>>> Marcy >>>> >> >> > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 21 15:46:37 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA08027; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 15:46:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA28938; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 15:46:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from goliath.intelsol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA09307; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 15:46:23 -0500 (EST) From: sbeck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.06 (346.8 3-18-1997)) id 85256593.0072CDB3 ; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 15:53:57 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256593.00721448.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 15:53:51 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII What Garcia said was "extended periods of time" - I think 3-7 minutes is not over idling especially on a cold day. I agree with this. The only thing I would add concerns bikes with inline 4 engines. I have read that some inline 4 engines can suffer oil starvation in part of the top end because the bike is leaned over when parked on the side stand. And that this problem can be avoided by putting the bike on the center stand while it's warming up. Steve Beck From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 21 15:51:56 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA08249; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 15:51:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA29125; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 15:51:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from goliath.intelsol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA09459; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 15:51:42 -0500 (EST) From: sbeck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.06 (346.8 3-18-1997)) id 85256593.0073486F ; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 15:59:11 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: cnorloff@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256593.0072EEF3.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 15:59:06 -0400 Subject: Re: WFO Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Wide Full Open (full throttle) or whatever F word you desire. Chris Norloff Awe go on Chris. Say it. You know you want to. Oh hell, I'll say it for you. Fucking - Fucking - Fucking - Fucking - Fucking - Fucking - Fucking - Fucking - Fucking Oh yea! That feels better! Steve Beck From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 21 16:17:42 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA08829; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 16:17:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA29790; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 16:16:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from out5.ibm.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA10297; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 16:16:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from ibm.net (slip129-37-208-199.oh.us.ibm.net [129.37.208.199]) by out5.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id VAA27666; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 21:15:55 GMT Message-ID: <34C666C2.65A6ED55@ibm.net> Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 16:21:06 -0500 From: "Robert W. Johnston" Reply-To: rjohns3@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Slawson, Kurt" CC: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Backfiring References: <98Jan21.121712est.19590@GKCATL01.kilcody.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit No personal affront meant to Kurt. But whats happend to American Boyhood. I mean I'm just on the high side of the GenX demographic, but many of the questions posted to this list make me wonder.... Don't teenaged boys work on their own cars anymore.... What about shop class and such... Why in my day ... Slawson, Kurt wrote: > Here's another stupid question: What causes a bike to backfire? I > went to kickstart my bike last night, after it had been sitting outside > in the cold for several hours, and it set off a ferocious backfire after > a few tries. (In case anyone was travelling along NY Avenue near the > White House last night, that loud sound you heard around 9:00 p.m. > wasn't a gunshot. Just my bike). I got it started after several more > tries, and it ran fine all the way home. I'm just wondering what caused > it. Thanks. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 21 16:31:10 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA09173; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 16:31:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA00752; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 16:30:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from m-net.arbornet.org by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA10897; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 16:30:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (bmccoy@localhost) by m-net.arbornet.org (8.8.5/8.8.6) with SMTP id QAA21081 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 16:10:53 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 16:10:52 -0500 (EST) From: Brian McCoy cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Batteries In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In the morning when I start my bike (most times after it sits for awhile) - I start the bike, put on my scarf, helmet and gloves - by that time the choke has gotten the bike to about 4K idle - I just on and leave - closing the choke ASAP (right away if there are no stops in the near future, otherwise after the first stop.) it works for me - my bike seems to run ok (most of the time) :P On Wed, 21 Jan 1998, Viteri, Ursulina wrote: > So then it's not necessary to let the bike idle for that long?! I'll > try this out next time I go for a spin. > Brian P. McCoy - 86' VF500fg (street) - 92/94 RS125 (race) bmccoy@XXXXXX (work) (301)210-8000 x 2155 (work) bmccoy@XXXXXX (personal) (301)445-4451 (home) www.geocities.com\motorcity\1319 (OLD Homepage - view at your own risk) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 21 16:42:17 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA09428; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 16:42:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA01029; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 16:42:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA11303; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 16:42:01 -0500 (EST) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id QAA20662; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 16:48:55 -0500 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 16:48:55 -0500 (EST) From: Garcia Oliver To: "Viteri, Ursulina" cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: Batteries In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII No need. Warm the bike until you can ride it with choke. (Some of the GS Suzukis won't run til they're warm). Ride, keeping revs low, say 3k, until you don't need choke. Top end doesn't care (more-or-less) if you're idling at 3k or riding at 3k. Clarifications: (1) what I said below about bearing damage applies to 1k idle speed, not 3k choke-idle. (2) charging system break-even rpm is typically 2500-3500 rpm. (3) mc have relatively high-polluting engines: don't idle in enclosed space (see earlier carbon monoxide thread for details). ================================================= On Wed, 21 Jan 1998, Viteri, Ursulina wrote: > But I was told to let the bike warm up until the temperature gauge > reaches midpoint. That can take 5 to 7 minutes on a chilly day/night. > > Ursulina Viteri > 202-416-6534 * Fax 202-223-9095 > AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. - Washington, DC > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Garcia Oliver [SMTP:garicao@XXXXXX] > >Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 1998 10:45 AM > >To: Jinn Sinn > >Cc: MEIERCH@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >Subject: Re: RE: RE: Weekend ride? > > > >Do NOT idle a bike (or car) for extended periods: marginal lubrication > >plus un-smooth power pulses (I can't think of a better way of describing > >it at the moment) will cause damage to plain bearings. > > > >Besides which, the idle rpm is usually inadequate to maintain a > >battery, let alone charge one up. > > > >You will also foul spark plugs and overheat air-cooled engines. > > > >Get a battery charger. > > > >--garcia > > > >On Wed, 21 Jan 1998, Jinn Sinn wrote: > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 21 16:48:06 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA09545; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 16:48:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA01113; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 16:47:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA11522; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 16:47:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com by mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (8.8.8/McCaw V8 version 1) id NAA08303; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 13:47:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id NAA06671; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 13:47:17 -0800 Received: from hq_msg01.nwest.mccaw.com by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id NAA06666; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 13:47:16 -0800 Received: by hq_msg01.nwest.mccaw.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD2673.0D6C5560@XXXXXX>; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 13:47:02 -0800 Message-ID: From: "Viteri, Ursulina" To: "'Brian McCoy'" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Batteries Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 13:43:34 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 33 TEXT My bikes revs to 4/5,000 rpm FAST when the choke is wide f***ing open. If that's all the bike needs to do before riding it, then I won't let it idle for so long next time. Ursulina Viteri 202-416-6534 * Fax 202-223-9095 AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. - Washington, DC >-----Original Message----- >From: Brian McCoy [SMTP:bmccoy@XXXXXX] >Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 1998 1:11 PM >Cc: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' >Subject: RE: Batteries > >In the morning when I start my bike (most times after it sits for awhile) >- I start the bike, put on my scarf, helmet and gloves - by that time the >choke has gotten the bike to about 4K idle - I just on and leave - closing >the choke ASAP (right away if there are no stops in the near future, >otherwise after the first stop.) > >it works for me - my bike seems to run ok (most of the time) :P > >On Wed, 21 Jan 1998, Viteri, Ursulina wrote: > >> So then it's not necessary to let the bike idle for that long?! I'll >> try this out next time I go for a spin. >> > >Brian P. McCoy - 86' VF500fg (street) - 92/94 RS125 (race) >bmccoy@XXXXXX (work) (301)210-8000 x 2155 (work) >bmccoy@XXXXXX (personal) (301)445-4451 (home) >www.geocities.com\motorcity\1319 (OLD Homepage - view at your own risk) > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 21 16:49:20 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA09564; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 16:49:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA01154; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 16:49:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from server4.illuminet.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA11578; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 16:49:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from illuminet.net (aln-63-182.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.182]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA00320; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 16:48:52 -0500 Message-ID: <34C66CF8.FBD54BD8@illuminet.net> Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 16:47:37 -0500 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brian McCoy CC: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: Batteries References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't idle mine at all. I back it out of the garage and get it pointed down the driveway, put all my gear on, start the engine, put it in gear and go. It usually dies after about 10 feet, I don't stop, just squeeze the clutch, hit the starter and continue on. About 1/4 mile later, I open the choke while stopped before getting onto a 45mph four lane road. Leon. Brian McCoy wrote: > In the morning when I start my bike (most times after it sits for awhile) > - I start the bike, put on my scarf, helmet and gloves - by that time the > choke has gotten the bike to about 4K idle - I just on and leave - closing > the choke ASAP (right away if there are no stops in the near future, > otherwise after the first stop.) > > it works for me - my bike seems to run ok (most of the time) :P > > On Wed, 21 Jan 1998, Viteri, Ursulina wrote: > > > So then it's not necessary to let the bike idle for that long?! I'll > > try this out next time I go for a spin. > > > > Brian P. McCoy - 86' VF500fg (street) - 92/94 RS125 (race) > bmccoy@XXXXXX (work) (301)210-8000 x 2155 (work) > bmccoy@XXXXXX (personal) (301)445-4451 (home) > www.geocities.com\motorcity\1319 (OLD Homepage - view at your own risk) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 21 16:52:35 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA09605; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 16:52:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA01191; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 16:52:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from oasys.dt.navy.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA11692; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 16:52:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from bayview.dt.navy.mil by oasys.dt.navy.mil (5.61/oasys.dt.navy.mil) id AA09965; Wed, 21 Jan 98 16:52:10 EST Received: from Spooler by BAYVIEW.DT.NAVY.MIL (Mercury/32 1.22); 21 Jan 98 13:53:35 -0008 Received: from spooler by bayview.dt.navy.mil (Mercury/32 1.23); 21 Jan 98 13:53:17 -0008 From: "Bruce B. Dimon, VRC, Bayview, Idaho" To: Linda Tanner , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 10:09:46 +0000 Subject: Re: Plastic Repair Priority: normal In-Reply-To: <01BD2586.FEE1D3E0.linda.tanner@mci.com> X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.53/R1) Message-Id: <200D80350A8F@bayview.dt.navy.mil> > Anyone have any experience with the MAT7 Plastic Repair Kit?? Know where > to find it? After my latest tip-over, I decided I better learn how to fix > the plastic myself. I have used it with success on my Gold Wing. It glues broken pieces together well. Several friends have used it to fix the plastic tabs that break off your side covers. It's a little hard to form plastic tabs but you can use it for that too. Two young men were selling it at Wing Ding. I'll see if I can their phone number and get back to you tomorrow. Bruce Dimon Work: dimon@XXXXXX Home: Bruce_Dimon@XXXXXX North Idaho, the land of lakes and lattes! Vector Research Company, Inc. 208-683-2080 Computer Lab: 208-683-2321 X4410 Fax: 208-683-2036 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 21 17:29:37 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA10160; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 17:29:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA02136; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 17:26:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from dns01.ops.usa.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA12814; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 17:26:04 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 23474 invoked by alias); 21 Jan 1998 22:25:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 23423 invoked from network); 21 Jan 1998 22:25:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jywon.imi?dc) (12.3.130.190) by dns01.ops.usa.net with SMTP; 21 Jan 1998 22:25:44 -0000 Message-ID: <007c01bd26bb$84883220$be82030c@jywon.imi_dc> Reply-To: "Justin Won" From: "Justin Won" To: "DC Cycles List" Subject: Warming up (was Re: Batteries) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 17:24:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 What I do, with great success, is open the choke half way, and start the bike. If it's really cold, then I open the choke all the way and let it idle for about 30-45 seconds. After that I start closing the choke until idle speed reaches about 1200 rpm. At that point I'm good to go, and I close the choke all the way as I open the throttle in gear. I usually take it easy on the revs until the temp gauge gets past C. Most automotive pundits will tell you that in most temperate climates (i.e. DC), warming up your engine for more than a minute is an unnecessary waste of fuel and time. The key is to keep the revs and the load on the engine low while it's still cold. There's no easier way to warm up an engine than to drive it. Justin >-----Original Message----- >From: Viteri, Ursulina >To: 'Brian McCoy' >Cc: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' >Date: Wednesday, January 21, 1998 15:56 PM >Subject: RE: Batteries > > >>My bikes revs to 4/5,000 rpm FAST when the choke is wide f***ing open. >>If that's all the bike needs to do before riding it, then I won't let it >>idle for so long next time. >> >>Ursulina Viteri >>202-416-6534 * Fax 202-223-9095 >>AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. - Washington, DC >> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: Brian McCoy [SMTP:bmccoy@XXXXXX] >>>Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 1998 1:11 PM >>>Cc: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' >>>Subject: RE: Batteries >>> >>>In the morning when I start my bike (most times after it sits for awhile) >>>- I start the bike, put on my scarf, helmet and gloves - by that time the >>>choke has gotten the bike to about 4K idle - I just on and leave - closing >>>the choke ASAP (right away if there are no stops in the near future, >>>otherwise after the first stop.) >>> >>>it works for me - my bike seems to run ok (most of the time) :P >>> >>>On Wed, 21 Jan 1998, Viteri, Ursulina wrote: >>> >>>> So then it's not necessary to let the bike idle for that long?! I'll >>>> try this out next time I go for a spin. >>>> >>> >>>Brian P. McCoy - 86' VF500fg (street) - 92/94 RS125 (race) >>>bmccoy@XXXXXX (work) (301)210-8000 x 2155 (work) >>>bmccoy@XXXXXX (personal) (301)445-4451 (home) >>>www.geocities.com\motorcity\1319 (OLD Homepage - view at your own risk) >>> > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 21 18:26:31 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA11272; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 18:26:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA03581; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 18:26:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA14789; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 18:26:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.189] (unverified [207.226.128.189]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 18:30:58 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: RE: Batteries Date: Wed, 21 Jan 98 18:26:13 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Brian McCoy" cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >In the morning when I start my bike (most times after it sits for awhile) >- I start the bike, put on my scarf, helmet and gloves - by that time the >choke has gotten the bike to about 4K idle - I just on and leave - closing >the choke ASAP (right away if there are no stops in the near future, >otherwise after the first stop.) This is what I did on the Kawasaki. Unfortunately, those lovely BMW engineers have a sidestand switch that prevents me from starting the bike on the sidestand (regardless of what gear it's in. Presumably because neutral is a vague area on BMW's:) Luckily it's got a centerstand (see previous note about better bikes;) Unluckily, it's too much of a hassle putting on the main stand when going into the quicky mart. -George From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 21 18:26:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA11278; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 18:26:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA03588; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 18:26:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA14793; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 18:26:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.189] (unverified [207.226.128.189]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 18:31:00 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: oiling and centerstands Date: Wed, 21 Jan 98 18:26:16 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >And that this problem can be avoided by putting the bike on >the center stand while it's warming up. Sadly, in the effort to trim weight and increase ground clearance, damned few bikes are left that have centerstands. Luckily, most of those bikes are darned good ones. ``` (o o) *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| *--------------------------oooO------------* |__||__| || || ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 21 18:26:44 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA11286; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 18:26:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA03594; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 18:26:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA14797; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 18:26:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.189] (unverified [207.226.128.189]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 18:31:05 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: RE: Batteries Date: Wed, 21 Jan 98 18:26:20 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Viteri, Ursulina" , "'Brian McCoy'" cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >My bikes revs to 4/5,000 rpm FAST when the choke is wide f***ing open. >If that's all the bike needs to do before riding it, then I won't let it >idle for so long next time. Does your choke have more than one position? Both the Kawi and BMW have chokes (on the BMW, I think it's actually a little throttle lever) with a detent halfway through their travel. Only below 45 degrees do I need full choke, and then it's due to laziness. Half choke and a little playing with the throttle are sufficient down to about 35. YMMV. Play with the choke, see what works. ``` (o o) *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| *--------------------------oooO------------* |__||__| || || ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 21 18:26:46 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA11288; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 18:26:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA03596; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 18:26:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA14800; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 18:26:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.189] (unverified [207.226.128.189]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 18:31:07 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Backfiring Date: Wed, 21 Jan 98 18:26:22 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: , "Slawson, Kurt" cc: "dc-cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Don't teenaged boys work on their own cars anymore.... >What about shop class and such... No. They don't. And certainly not those of us who were in the college track in high school. I amazed friends throughout college. Got a 1400 on the SATs, was a chem major doing the pre-med bit, maintained a 3.7 gpa for a while.... And could set a points gap on a flaky ignition, change the clutch on my Jeep. Hey. I could even change my own tires. :) ``` (o o) *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| *--------------------------oooO------------* |__||__| || || ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 21 18:26:46 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA11291; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 18:26:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA03599; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 18:26:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA14805; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 18:26:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.189] (unverified [207.226.128.189]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 18:31:09 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Batteries Date: Wed, 21 Jan 98 18:26:25 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Viteri, Ursulina" cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >But I was told to let the bike warm up until the temperature gauge >reaches midpoint. That can take 5 to 7 minutes on a chilly day/night. In cars and bikes, you are better off to slowly and carefully begin riding/driving. Gives not only the engine, but tranny (my bike has a seperate tranny lube you wankers!) and other parts warm up at a roughly similar rate. If you just warm up the engine, only the engine is warm. When you tear off, the chain (?), shaft, tranny, etc, etc. are not warmed up yet. I'm sure about a bazillion people on the list will tell you this, and perhaps a bit more eloquently. ``` (o o) *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| *--------------------------oooO------------* |__||__| || || ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 21 18:26:48 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA11298; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 18:26:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA03605; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 18:26:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA14809; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 18:26:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.189] (unverified [207.226.128.189]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 18:31:12 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Batteries Date: Wed, 21 Jan 98 18:26:27 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Matt Elliott - DIGEX" , "Viteri, Ursulina" cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >So the question is, should you not warm up the bike (or cage if anyone knows) Again, don't warm up either bike or cage. Just take it easy until the oil temp comes up, or the oil pressure backs off a bit. -George From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 21 18:58:15 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA11674; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 18:58:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA04269; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 18:58:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from iconmail.bellatlantic.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA15699; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 18:58:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from my-workstation (client196-127-102.bellatlantic.net [151.196.127.102]) by iconmail.bellatlantic.net (IConNet Sendmail) with SMTP id SAA18684; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 18:58:02 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980121184227.0070df44@postoffice.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: true911@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 18:42:27 -0500 To: Brian McCoy From: "Mark E. Truelove" Subject: Re: Weekend ride? Cc: DC-Cycles list In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.1.32.19980121092746.00bbc478@postoffice.bellatlantic.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Ahem. I was out for Louis' ride. Where were *you*? :) I'm planning to be at the cornerworker school in March; other than that, it's one week at a time... MET At 09:54 AM 1/21/98 -0500, Brian McCoy wrote: >mark - you're not allowed to voice your opinions if you don't ride - I >mean, really - dropping off the face of the earth, not showing up for >MARRC events, not joining on rides.. what use are you? > >:) None i'll assume.. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark E. Truelove (true@XXXXXX) http://www.clark.net/pub/pooh/ Polaris Technology Group http://www.angelfire.com/biz/polaristech/ Placement Specialists: SAP PeopleSoft Notes Fiber-Optics NT UNIX DBs ======================================================================= From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 21 19:09:48 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA11861; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 19:09:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA04415; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 19:09:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from iconmail.bellatlantic.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA16018; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 19:09:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from my-workstation (client196-127-102.bellatlantic.net [151.196.127.102]) by iconmail.bellatlantic.net (IConNet Sendmail) with SMTP id TAA21314; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 19:09:39 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980121190721.00bd7b1c@postoffice.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: true911@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 19:07:21 -0500 To: WantA ZX6 , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mark E. Truelove" Subject: Re: WFO In-Reply-To: <3510c1e4.34c63271@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I've heard more P.C. descriptions, but I'm pretty sure it's Way/Wide F"@king Open. MET At 12:37 PM 1/21/98 EST, WantA ZX6 wrote: >What does that mean????? > >Jack > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark E. Truelove (true@XXXXXX) http://www.clark.net/pub/pooh/ Polaris Technology Group http://www.angelfire.com/biz/polaristech/ Placement Specialists: SAP PeopleSoft Notes Fiber-Optics NT UNIX DBs ======================================================================= From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 21 19:26:14 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA12033; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 19:26:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA04566; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 19:26:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA16283; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 19:26:03 -0500 (EST) From: RDWOODJR Message-ID: <6a4ee555.34c68dd4@aol.com> Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 19:07:46 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: side stand switches. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) << This is what I did on the Kawasaki. Unfortunately, those lovely BMW engineers have a sidestand switch that prevents me from starting the bike on the sidestand (regardless of what gear it's in. >> George, all my experience is with Japanese motorcycles, but I know we can bypass the switch. Richard From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 21 19:50:56 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA12267; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 19:50:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA04655; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 19:50:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA16723; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 19:50:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.his.com by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA07029; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 19:50:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from harris.his.com (harris.his.com [205.252.80.17]) by mail.his.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA04662 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 19:50:43 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980121194941.008ca980@mail.his.com> X-Sender: harris@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 19:49:41 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Stephen Harris Subject: Saturday ride, batteries, idling Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Would someone be so kind as to post concise info on where everyone is meeting on Saturday AM. Regarding batteries, I used to work for a Honda motorcycle dealer & did Yusa's one day tech seminar. In an ideal world you take a battery, dump the electrolyte into it, let it sit for about 30 minutes to soak into the plates, put it on a 1 amp charge for about 2 hours, then install in the machine. It is permissible to bypass the above & put the battery into a bike as long as; 1) the 30 soak time is obsvered and 2) it be ridden for at least an hour assuming that it will be ridden in such a fashion that the engine rpm is btw 40%-60% of redline (typical highway usage on most bikes). The Yusa dude sez the cells are "dry charged" at the factory, so this is possible. If you have the time do it right. If this is not possible ride at speed for at least a hour and you will be fine. Regarding the prolonged idling with choke / enrichener issue; avoid it. An overly rich mixture will wash the oil off the cylinder walls, leading to rapid piston ring wear. Interesting to note, in back to back comparisons with a '85 CB700SC equipped with a mechanical pressure gauge reading off the main bearing galley I found that at idle (at normal temp, 375 degree head temp) there is about zero oil pressure with car oils, perhaps five with a good synthetic or bike oil. As soon as the rpm climbed to 2-2.5k the pressure shot up to 60psi & by 4-5k it was almost 80 psi. Bottom line; at idle a at temp bike has little oil pressure. Sure the bearings are very lightly loaded at idle, but I had no ~idea~ the pressure was that low. S Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 21 19:55:32 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA12286; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 19:55:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA04723; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 19:55:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from iconmail.bellatlantic.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA16821; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 19:55:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from my-workstation (client196-127-163.bellatlantic.net [151.196.127.163]) by iconmail.bellatlantic.net (IConNet Sendmail) with SMTP id TAA02880; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 19:55:28 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980121191742.00bedf04@postoffice.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: true911@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 19:17:42 -0500 To: Chris Norloff , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mark E. Truelove" Subject: Re: Weekend ride? In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980121150532.00947640@mail.toward.com> References: <3.0.1.32.19980121092746.00bbc478@postoffice.bellatlantic.n et> <52b196b1.34c57d33@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I ride down from Baltimore occasionally to chide... err, ride with the fine bunch of active DC bikers on the list. MET At 03:05 PM 1/21/98 -0500, Chris Norloff wrote: >So is this list. Where are you? > >Chris Norloff ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark E. Truelove (true@XXXXXX) http://www.clark.net/pub/pooh/ Polaris Technology Group http://www.angelfire.com/biz/polaristech/ Placement Specialists: SAP PeopleSoft Notes Fiber-Optics NT UNIX DBs ======================================================================= From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 21 22:07:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA13979; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 22:07:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA08965; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 22:07:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp2.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA21137; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 22:07:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (spg-tnt9s271.erols.com [207.172.96.240]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA18886; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 22:07:01 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <34C6B7A8.8A9B2D62@geocities.com> Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 22:06:16 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jinn Sinn CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Weekend ride? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sounds fine to me......I'd be happy to be sitting behind the likes of Jeanette and Marcy with my arms wrapped around them :) (only to hold on, of course) CT Jinn Sinn wrote: > In a message dated 1/21/98 10:10:31 AM, Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX wrote: > > <<><< May even bring a female along for the ride . >> > > > >Ahem! There may even be some FEMALES along DRIVING. *smack* :D > > No driving on a ride please. *whack* :-p>> > > oh my! please forgive my overwhelming ignorance! ;D I merely meant to indicate > that we women would be the OPERATORS of some of the vehicles present on this > RIDE (better?) In other words, that we, the women of the ride, intend to take > charge of these machine-beasts and whip them, along with all of you, our love > slaves, into fine form, so ......... gentlemen.....start your grovelling! > MUAH HA H AH AH AH AHHAHAHAHAHHAHA ;D -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 21 22:12:53 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA14020; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 22:12:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA09267; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 22:12:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.mnsinc.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA21212; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 22:12:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay.mnsinc.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA14130 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 22:12:42 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <34C6E3D4.3055@mnsinc.com> Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 22:14:44 -0800 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Warming Up Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > From: George Howell > >So the question is, should you not warm up the bike (or cage if anyone knows) > Again, don't warm up either bike or cage. Just take it easy until the oil > temp comes up, or the oil pressure backs off a bit. I have to disagree with George here (and Leon for that matter). I think it's a great idea to let the engine warm up nice and toasty. Generally I let mine rev at ~3K until warm. (I too, am following the old man's regimen). It just makes sense. Old Interceptors are not so unique that others should not follow my advice either BTW... You do not want to put a load on an engine that does not have oil fully circulated within it. Sure, you can "take it easy" until it gets up to temp, but who realistically does that on a motorcycle? I don't. When I take off, I do not want bogging, nor do I want to place unnecessary stress on the motor. Spend the five minutes putting on your scarf, gloves, vest etc, and baby your bike's engine! It will last longer, far longer than starting and taking off will get you. N.B. I remember a manual I had for an old VW bug I used to drive some years ago that advocated the same thing. A wet, warm, slippery engine is a happy engine ;^P JK From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 21 22:41:05 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA14290; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 22:41:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA09585; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 22:40:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from access2.digex.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA21750; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 22:40:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (dipaula@localhost) by access2.digex.net (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id WAA08279; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 22:42:38 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 22:42:38 -0500 (EST) From: Donald DiPaula To: balt-cycles@XXXXXX, DC Cycles mailing list Subject: magazines Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII we're moving and i don't want to take these with me, so: for free: a couple of dozen issues of _motorcyclist_ magazine, various issues from 1992-1996, approximately. (no, not a complete set for those years). come by my house in laurel before the end of next week, they're yours. otherwise, they're trash. -D- Oh, Oh, children of the land, Love is still the answer, take my hand The vision fades, a voice I hear, "Listen to the Madman!" But still I fear and still I dare not laugh at the Madman... My 1989 Honda CRX Si is for sale, email me if interested. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 21 23:58:00 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA14991; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 23:57:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA11409; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 23:57:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA23079; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 23:57:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.114] (unverified [207.226.128.114]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 00:02:10 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Warming Up Date: Wed, 21 Jan 98 23:57:24 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "John C. Kozyn" , "dc-cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >You do not want to put a load on an engine that does not have oil fully >circulated within it. Sure, you can "take it easy" until it gets up to >temp, but who realistically does that on a motorcycle? I don't. When I >take off, I do not want bogging, nor do I want to place unnecessary >stress on the motor. My homes in the past year have been well suited to warming up on the fly. Garage at my parents house. I'm not gonna idle it in there. Then they have a mile long gravel driveway. Plenty of time to get up to operating temperatures. Now I'm living in a subdivision with 25 mph limits for at least two miles until I can open it up a little bit. Now I'm as speed crazy as the next guy (provided it's not Collin:) but opening it up in a residential area just isn't smart. Then there is the other concern: tires. They take a bit of time to heat up, even street tires. While I'm letting them warm, so is the engine. When the engine is ready to go, so are the tires. ``` (o o) *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| *--------------------------oooO------------* |__||__| || || ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 21 23:58:00 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA14992; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 23:57:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA11434; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 23:57:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA23083; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 23:57:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.114] (unverified [207.226.128.114]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 00:02:17 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: side stand switches. Date: Wed, 21 Jan 98 23:57:30 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "RDWOODJR" , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >George, all my experience is with Japanese motorcycles, but I know we can >bypass the switch. Hasn't annoyed me much yet. It should just take some sort of jumper. Or cut the wire, depending on whether it is normally open or closed. Best thing ever done to my father's old truck was to get rid of that asinine clutch interlock on the starter... ``` (o o) *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| *--------------------------oooO------------* |__||__| || || ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 22 00:54:53 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA16027; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 00:54:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA13603; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 00:54:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA23977; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 00:54:44 -0500 (EST) From: MARKSOMM Message-ID: <52b3b9e6.34c6df1e@aol.com> Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 00:54:36 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: driving habits Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) In a message dated 98-01-22 00:02:48 EST, ghowell@XXXXXX writes: << Now I'm as speed crazy as the next guy (provided it's not Collin: >> I love trying to keep up with Collin but wonder how he manages to maintain a drivers license. Do you suppose he knows a judge somewhere...? Mark Sommerfield Waiting for the tickets to drop off my record From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 22 07:18:08 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA19281; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 07:18:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA19067; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 07:17:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp2.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA28037; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 07:17:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (spg-tnt9s271.erols.com [207.172.96.240]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA15588; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 07:17:36 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <34C738B9.ADACB3CE@geocities.com> Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 07:16:57 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: MARKSOMM CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: driving habits References: <52b3b9e6.34c6df1e@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Surprisingly, I've only been pulled over twice on my gixer in the past 4 years...and one of those times was by a foot patrol!!! The key is that I behave when in civilization. I rarely go more than a couple of mph over limit in town/residential. The backwoods is another story... My only ticket was on superbowl sunday last year. I was happily minding my own business in the right hand lane at the same speed as everyone else (I had been behind the same string of cars for several miles) and I guess the cop just didn't like bikes. It was funny too. He kept alluding that he clocked me up over 100mph, but I damn well know I was sitting right on 70 indicated (I saw him coming up through traffic, so I just maintained along with everyone else)...He said he normally lets military guys off, but just couldn't this time....He wrote me up for "Disobeying a hiway sign" pretty much the equivolent of an illegal U-turn. MARKSOMM wrote: > In a message dated 98-01-22 00:02:48 EST, ghowell@XXXXXX writes: > > << Now I'm as speed > crazy as the next guy (provided it's not Collin: >> > > I love trying to keep up with Collin but wonder how he manages to maintain a > drivers license. Do you suppose he knows a judge somewhere...? > > Mark Sommerfield > Waiting for the tickets to drop off my record -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 22 07:54:24 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA19570; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 07:54:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA19214; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 07:54:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from meretrix.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA28318; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 07:54:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from kiri.meretrix.com (kiri.meretrix.com [209.116.254.18]) by meretrix.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA07928; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 07:54:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from kiri.meretrix.com (localhost.meretrix.com [127.0.0.1]) by kiri.meretrix.com (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id HAA05544; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 07:53:39 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199801221253.HAA05544@kiri.meretrix.com> To: Todd Peer cc: dc-cycles Subject: Re: cc:Mail Link to SMTP Undeliverable Message: Unknown user: mehran firouz In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 21 Jan 1998 14:25:00 EST." <19980121193442.BUVX6587@[166.41.242.141]> Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 07:53:38 -0500 From: Harry Mantakos >Who the HELL is Mehran Firouz!!! > >Everytime I post to DC Cycles, this guys administrator spits back. It was a bounce message. It's not a disgruntled human sending this to you, but a disgruntled piece of software. Mail server software that isn't broken sends bounce messages to this list's administrator address (dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX) rather than back to the sender of the message, but not all mail software out there is unbroken. >Harry, are you listening??? Of course! Here at dc-cycles we always listen to our subscribers, we care about their needs. If you receive a bounce message in response to a dc-cycles posting, just send a note to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX . If you don't receive a response in 30 minutes or less, then you will almost certainly receive one after that. -harry ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Human: Harry Mantakos USPS: 547 E. Gittings St. Baltimore, MD 21230 Email: harry@XXXXXX Evil Twins: harry@XXXXXX, harry@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 22 08:39:42 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA20066; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 08:39:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA19808; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 08:39:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA28980; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 08:39:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay2.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id IAA10165; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 08:39:14 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 08:37:56 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D39EA96@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Collin T. Fagan'" , Jinn Sinn Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Weekend ride? Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 08:36:18 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Hmmm, methinks when we have more experience, Marcy & I will have to take you up on that!! ; ) - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Collin T. Fagan [SMTP:gixer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 1998 10:06 PM > To: Jinn Sinn > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Weekend ride? > > Sounds fine to me......I'd be happy to be sitting behind the likes of > Jeanette and > Marcy with my arms wrapped around them :) (only to hold on, of course) > CT > > Jinn Sinn wrote: > > > In a message dated 1/21/98 10:10:31 AM, Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > <<><< May even bring a female along for the ride . >> > > > > > >Ahem! There may even be some FEMALES along DRIVING. *smack* :D > > > > No driving on a ride please. *whack* :-p>> > > > > oh my! please forgive my overwhelming ignorance! ;D I merely meant > to indicate > > that we women would be the OPERATORS of some of the vehicles present > on this > > RIDE (better?) In other words, that we, the women of the ride, > intend to take > > charge of these machine-beasts and whip them, along with all of you, > our love > > slaves, into fine form, so ......... gentlemen.....start your > grovelling! > > MUAH HA H AH AH AH AHHAHAHAHAHHAHA ;D > > > > -- > _________________________________________ > Collin and Penny Fagan > LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard > (202) 366-0067 (work) > (703) 356-4279 (home) > ICQ UIN: 435732 > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ > (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 22 08:50:16 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA20205; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 08:50:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA19930; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 08:50:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from iceland.it.earthlink.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA29128; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 08:50:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from [153.34.240.79] (1Cust79.tnt1.tco2.da.uu.net [153.34.240.79]) by iceland.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA20907 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 05:50:05 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: level_5_ltd@XXXXXX Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 08:52:46 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Alan Lapp Subject: Re: Backfiring >>Don't teenaged boys work on their own cars anymore.... >>What about shop class and such... > >No. They don't. And certainly not those of us who were in the college >track in high school. I amazed friends throughout college. Got a 1400 on >the SATs, was a chem major doing the pre-med bit, maintained a 3.7 gpa >for a while.... And could set a points gap on a flaky ignition, change >the clutch on my Jeep. > >Hey. I could even change my own tires. Heh. I amazed relatives and friends by scoring 1240 on the SATs and nearly flunking out of high school. I proudly graduated with a 1.2 GPA. When I got around to college 2 years later, I got As and Bs. Just goes to show what a change in attitude can do for you. *And* I relentlessly fooled around with motorcycles, mostly sohc-CB750s. Al level_5_ltd@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 22 08:58:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA20249; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 08:58:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA19995; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 08:58:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA29287; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 08:58:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.02c) id A0532640254; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 08:57:39 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980122080203.009d3490@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 08:02:03 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: WFO In-Reply-To: <85256593.0072EEF3.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" OW, OH! Oh, my delicate sensibilities! I feel faint. Chris Norloff At 03:59 PM 1/21/98 -0400, sbeck@XXXXXX wrote: > >Wide Full Open (full throttle) > >or whatever F word you desire. > >Chris Norloff > >Awe go on Chris. Say it. You know you want to. >Oh hell, I'll say it for you. > >Fucking - Fucking - Fucking - Fucking - Fucking - Fucking - Fucking - >Fucking - Fucking > >Oh yea! That feels better! > >Steve Beck > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 22 09:01:23 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA20290; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 09:01:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA20058; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 09:01:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from iceland.it.earthlink.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA29399; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 09:01:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from [153.34.240.79] (1Cust79.tnt1.tco2.da.uu.net [153.34.240.79]) by iceland.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA23551 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 06:01:12 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: level_5_ltd@XXXXXX Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.1.32.19980121074147.0091caf0@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 09:03:52 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Alan Lapp Subject: Re: Plastic Repair >Ok, that's true - for the first time it would be nice. As for primer, >what's wrong with soap&water - or Kerosene? They both do a damn good job >at cleaning the surface. And my glue is CA - typically the fast setting >type (it's real wattery, you need a nice, tight weave fiberglass to make >it work well). This is not a flame!!!! There are 2 *serious* problems with this statement: Primer is a type of paint used as an adhesion promotor. Some primers have strong chemicals in them which etch the surface being painted to promote a strong mechanical bond. Primers are always matte so that the colored paint has some tooth to adhere to. HOWEVER: glue is waaaay stronger than paint or primer, and never needs to be primed. The best prep for gluing is rough sandpaper to provide tooth for the glue to grip. Kerosene is extremely oily. Farmers wash their farm equipment with kerosene to keep it from rusting because the oil stays on the equipment. Neither glue nor paint likes oil, and won't stick to anything contaminated with oil. Lacquer thinner is the appropriate chemical to use for cleaning a job before paint. BraKleen aerosol brake cleaner contains large quantities of similar chemicals (xylol, acetone, and other hazardous materials) and can be used as a cleaner for gluing, but I wouldn't recommend it for painting. Al level_5_ltd@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 22 09:04:28 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA20368; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 09:04:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA20116; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 09:04:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA29454; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 09:04:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay2.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id JAA16889; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 09:04:19 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 09:03:02 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D39EA9B@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Alan Lapp'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Backfiring Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 09:01:25 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain I've found that "book learning" has nothing whatsoever to do with intelligence... - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Alan Lapp [SMTP:level_5_ltd@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, January 22, 1998 8:53 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Backfiring > > >>Don't teenaged boys work on their own cars anymore.... > >>What about shop class and such... > > > >No. They don't. And certainly not those of us who were in the college > >track in high school. I amazed friends throughout college. Got a 1400 > on > >the SATs, was a chem major doing the pre-med bit, maintained a 3.7 > gpa > >for a while.... And could set a points gap on a flaky ignition, > change > >the clutch on my Jeep. > > > >Hey. I could even change my own tires. > > Heh. I amazed relatives and friends by scoring 1240 on the SATs and > nearly > flunking out of high school. I proudly graduated with a 1.2 GPA. > When I > got around to college 2 years later, I got As and Bs. Just goes to > show > what a change in attitude can do for you. > > *And* I relentlessly fooled around with motorcycles, mostly > sohc-CB750s. > > Al > level_5_ltd@XXXXXX > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 22 09:05:51 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA20402; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 09:05:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA20158; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 09:05:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from draco.eisi.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA29480; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 09:05:44 -0500 (EST) Received: by draco.eisi.com; id JAA12392; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 09:05:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from unknown(10.3.1.4) by draco.eisi.com via smap (3.2) id xma012375; Thu, 22 Jan 98 09:05:33 -0500 Received: by hrnexch1.eisi.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 09:05:37 -0500 Message-ID: <7F151D3C3920D111859A080009D80639884B18@hrnexch1.eisi.com> From: "Whiteside, John" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Batteries Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 09:05:32 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Too much of a hassle? It takes me about twelve seconds max to put my bike on its centerstand. --John Whiteside > -----Original Message----- > From: George Howell [SMTP:ghowell@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 1998 6:26 PM > To: Brian McCoy > Cc: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > Subject: RE: Batteries > > >In the morning when I start my bike (most times after it sits for > awhile) > >- I start the bike, put on my scarf, helmet and gloves - by that time > the > >choke has gotten the bike to about 4K idle - I just on and leave - > closing > >the choke ASAP (right away if there are no stops in the near future, > >otherwise after the first stop.) > > This is what I did on the Kawasaki. Unfortunately, those lovely BMW > engineers have a sidestand switch that prevents me from starting the > bike > on the sidestand (regardless of what gear it's in. Presumably because > neutral is a vague area on BMW's:) Luckily it's got a centerstand (see > > previous note about better bikes;) Unluckily, it's too much of a > hassle > putting on the main stand when going into the quicky mart. > > -George From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 22 09:41:43 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA20868; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 09:41:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA20658; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 09:41:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from m-net.arbornet.org by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA00119; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 09:41:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (bmccoy@localhost) by m-net.arbornet.org (8.8.5/8.8.6) with SMTP id JAA20621 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 09:07:20 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 09:07:20 -0500 (EST) From: Brian McCoy To: DC-Cycles list Subject: something in the air! Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Today must be offical 'be ignorant in your cage' day. 3 time in the 5 miles to work I was threatened - the first by a mommy-van swerving into MY lane - I'm thinking comeing after me, of course I was going a little faster than she thought and only saw the move in my mirror/corner of my eye. A car that stopped for a MOVIUNG school bus, she got an elbow in the window as I went by.. and a car that drove 15 in a 40, with the brake lights on for the last 1.5/2 miles to work... Maybe I need to start caring a squirt-gun with brake fluid in it to maybe ward off the cages... or at least make them think twice before next time.. Brian P. McCoy - 86' VF500fg (street) - 92/94 RS125 (race) bmccoy@XXXXXX (work) (301)210-8000 x 2155 (work) bmccoy@XXXXXX (personal) (301)445-4451 (home) www.geocities.com\motorcity\1319 (OLD Homepage - view at your own risk) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 22 09:48:09 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA20946; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 09:48:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA20744; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 09:47:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from m-net.arbornet.org by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA00246; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 09:47:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (bmccoy@localhost) by m-net.arbornet.org (8.8.5/8.8.6) with SMTP id JAA19293; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 09:00:14 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 09:00:13 -0500 (EST) From: Brian McCoy To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" cc: "'Collin T. Fagan'" , Jinn Sinn , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Weekend ride? In-Reply-To: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D39EA96@badge.tuckerflyer.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I'm the second volunteer.. On Thu, 22 Jan 1998, O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: > Hmmm, methinks when we have more experience, Marcy & I will have to take > you up on that!! ; ) > > - Jeannette > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Collin T. Fagan [SMTP:gixer@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 1998 10:06 PM > > To: Jinn Sinn > > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Re: Weekend ride? > > > > Sounds fine to me......I'd be happy to be sitting behind the likes of > > Jeanette and > > Marcy with my arms wrapped around them :) (only to hold on, of course) > > CT > > > > Jinn Sinn wrote: > > > > > In a message dated 1/21/98 10:10:31 AM, Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > > > <<><< May even bring a female along for the ride . >> > > > > > > > >Ahem! There may even be some FEMALES along DRIVING. *smack* :D > > > > > > No driving on a ride please. *whack* :-p>> > > > > > > oh my! please forgive my overwhelming ignorance! ;D I merely meant > > to indicate > > > that we women would be the OPERATORS of some of the vehicles present > > on this > > > RIDE (better?) In other words, that we, the women of the ride, > > intend to take > > > charge of these machine-beasts and whip them, along with all of you, > > our love > > > slaves, into fine form, so ......... gentlemen.....start your > > grovelling! > > > MUAH HA H AH AH AH AHHAHAHAHAHHAHA ;D > > > > > > > > -- > > _________________________________________ > > Collin and Penny Fagan > > LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard > > (202) 366-0067 (work) > > (703) 356-4279 (home) > > ICQ UIN: 435732 > > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ > > (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) > > > Brian P. McCoy - 86' VF500fg (street) - 92/94 RS125 (race) bmccoy@XXXXXX (work) (301)210-8000 x 2155 (work) bmccoy@XXXXXX (personal) (301)445-4451 (home) www.geocities.com\motorcity\1319 (OLD Homepage - view at your own risk) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 22 09:49:34 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA20960; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 09:49:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA20772; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 09:49:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA00287; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 09:49:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA19139; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 09:49:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.02c) id AC412BE0238; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 09:48:33 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980122090514.009eab10@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 09:05:14 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Saturday ride, batteries, idling In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980121194941.008ca980@mail.his.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Interesting to note, in back to back comparisons with a '85 CB700SC >equipped with a mechanical pressure gauge reading off the main bearing >galley I found that at idle (at normal temp, 375 degree head temp) there is >about zero oil pressure with car oils, perhaps five with a good synthetic >or bike oil. As soon as the rpm climbed to 2-2.5k the pressure shot up to >60psi & by 4-5k it was almost 80 psi. Bottom line; at idle a at temp bike >has little oil pressure. Sure the bearings are very lightly loaded at >idle, but I had no ~idea~ the pressure was that low. I was poking through my service manual (1981 Honda CB750F) and noticed the routine for checking the oil pressure warning light switch. If there's 3-5psi, the light won't come on -- so the Honda engineers sure expect there to be some VERY LOW oil pressure at times, and they won't tell you about it until it's really bad. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 22 09:55:56 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA21049; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 09:55:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA21085; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 09:55:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA00389; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 09:55:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com by mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (8.8.8/McCaw V8 version 1) id GAA17703; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 06:55:16 -0800 (PST) Received: by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id GAA06462; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 06:55:15 -0800 Received: from hq_msg01.nwest.mccaw.com by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id GAA06459; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 06:55:15 -0800 Received: by hq_msg01.nwest.mccaw.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD2702.A8735330@XXXXXX>; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 06:55:00 -0800 Message-ID: From: "Viteri, Ursulina" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Choke control Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 06:51:30 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 42 TEXT George, My choke control is a lever that allows you to control how open or closed it is. I open it up all the way because starting the bike with it half open doesn't get the engine to rev very high, sometimes it won't even start. Ursulina Viteri 202-416-6534 * Fax 202-223-9095 AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. - Washington, DC >-----Original Message----- >From: George Howell [SMTP:ghowell@XXXXXX] >Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 1998 3:26 PM >To: Viteri, Ursulina; 'Brian McCoy' >Cc: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' >Subject: RE: Batteries > >>My bikes revs to 4/5,000 rpm FAST when the choke is wide f***ing open. >>If that's all the bike needs to do before riding it, then I won't let it >>idle for so long next time. > >Does your choke have more than one position? Both the Kawi and BMW have >chokes (on the BMW, I think it's actually a little throttle lever) with a >detent halfway through their travel. Only below 45 degrees do I need full >choke, and then it's due to laziness. Half choke and a little playing >with the throttle are sufficient down to about 35. > >YMMV. Play with the choke, see what works. > > > > ``` > (o o) >*------------oooO----(_)-------------------* >|..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| >|.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| >*--------------------------oooO------------* > |__||__| > || || > ooO Ooo > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 22 09:56:03 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA21056; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 09:56:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA21096; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 09:55:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA00393; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 09:55:57 -0500 (EST) From: Jinn Sinn Message-ID: <9218346.34c75dbe@aol.com> Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 09:54:52 EST To: bmccoy@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: something in the air! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) In a message dated 1/22/98 9:45:55 AM, bmccoy@XXXXXX wrote: <<. Maybe I need to start caring a squirt-gun with brake fluid in it to maybe ward off the cages... or at least make them think twice before next time..>> yeah except that sooner or later you'll squirt somebody with a real gun in their cage and then you'll have some problems.........always better to be defensive if y9ou ask me......too many psychos these days Marcy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 22 09:59:32 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA21136; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 09:59:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA21225; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 09:59:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA00463; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 09:59:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com by mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (8.8.8/McCaw V8 version 1) id GAA18101; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 06:58:47 -0800 (PST) Received: by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id GAA06990; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 06:58:46 -0800 Received: from hq-msg01.nwest.mccaw.com by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id GAA06981; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 06:58:42 -0800 Received: by hq-msg01.nwest.mccaw.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD2703.23220860@XXXXXX>; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 06:58:26 -0800 Message-ID: From: "Viteri, Ursulina" To: "'George Howell'" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Batteries Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 06:54:53 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 41 TEXT Yeah, now it's clear the advice I was given "let the bike warm up (idle) till the temperature gauge reaches midpoint" is unnecessary and wasteful. I figured his advice was sound because I have an older bike and just assumed it would take time to warm up, like old cars. Ursulina Viteri 202-416-6534 * Fax 202-223-9095 AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. - Washington, DC >-----Original Message----- >From: George Howell [SMTP:ghowell@XXXXXX] >Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 1998 3:26 PM >To: Viteri, Ursulina >Cc: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' >Subject: Re: Batteries > >>But I was told to let the bike warm up until the temperature gauge >>reaches midpoint. That can take 5 to 7 minutes on a chilly day/night. > >In cars and bikes, you are better off to slowly and carefully begin >riding/driving. Gives not only the engine, but tranny (my bike has a >seperate tranny lube you wankers!) and other parts warm up at a roughly >similar rate. If you just warm up the engine, only the engine is warm. >When you tear off, the chain (?), shaft, tranny, etc, etc. are not warmed >up yet. > >I'm sure about a bazillion people on the list will tell you this, and >perhaps a bit more eloquently. > > > > ``` > (o o) >*------------oooO----(_)-------------------* >|..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| >|.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| >*--------------------------oooO------------* > |__||__| > || || > ooO Ooo > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 22 10:00:08 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA21153; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 10:00:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA21287; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 10:00:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA00496; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 09:59:59 -0500 (EST) From: Jinn Sinn Message-ID: <90890b05.34c75d40@aol.com> Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 09:52:46 EST To: jlobrien@XXXXXX, gixer@XXXXXX, JinnSinn@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: RE: Weekend ride? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) In a message dated 1/22/98 8:39:50 AM, jlobrien@XXXXXX wrote: <> Marcy is in COMPLETE agreement :D From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 22 10:00:20 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA21164; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 10:00:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA21327; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 10:00:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA00507; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 10:00:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.02c) id AEC3E2017E; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 09:59:15 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980122095718.009f0820@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 09:57:18 -0500 To: From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: something in the air! In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:07 AM 1/22/98 -0500, Brian McCoy wrote: >Today must be offical 'be ignorant in your cage' day. 3 time in the 5 >miles to work I was threatened - the first by a mommy-van swerving into MY >lane - I'm thinking comeing after me, of course I was going a little >faster than she thought and only saw the move in my mirror/corner of my >eye. A car that stopped for a MOVIUNG school bus, she got an elbow in the >window as I went by.. and a car that drove 15 in a 40, with the brake >lights on for the last 1.5/2 miles to work... Maybe I need to start caring >a squirt-gun with brake fluid in it to maybe ward off the cages... or at >least make them think twice before next time.. Be at peace, glasshoppa. Do not trouble yourself with these people. Flow around them as the water of a stream flows around the rocks. For you will not change these people, and they can do you great harm if you let them. Remove your anger, and focus on your travel. :-) Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 22 10:00:22 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA21169; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 10:00:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA21332; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 10:00:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA00510; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 10:00:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.02c) id AEC2E2017E; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 09:59:14 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980122095353.009f2c90@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 09:53:53 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Plastic Repair In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.1.32.19980121074147.0091caf0@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:03 AM 1/22/98 -0500, Alan Lapp wrote: >Primer is a type of paint used as an adhesion promotor. Some primers have >strong chemicals in them which etch the surface being painted to promote a >strong mechanical bond. Primers are always matte so that the colored paint >has some tooth to adhere to. HOWEVER: glue is waaaay stronger than paint >or primer, and never needs to be primed. The best prep for gluing is rough >sandpaper to provide tooth for the glue to grip. I should think a glue joint could also use a primer for preparing the surfaces. The glue must depend on chemical bonds with the parent material for the glue joint to work. Cleaning and lightly sanding is very important, and I'm willing to accept that some more surface preparation could aid the glue bond. I don't know the chemistry involved, but Three Bond sells Primer (clear smelly liquid) with their plastic repair kit. The primer is labeled "PE/PP Primer" (as I recall). Any plastics experts know what this kind of primer does? Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 22 10:00:54 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA21195; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 10:00:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA21402; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 10:00:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA00525; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 10:00:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com by mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (8.8.8/McCaw V8 version 1) id HAA18270; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 07:00:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id HAA07210; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 07:00:12 -0800 Received: from hq-msg01.nwest.mccaw.com by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id HAA07206; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 07:00:10 -0800 Received: by hq-msg01.nwest.mccaw.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD2703.57980E50@XXXXXX>; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 06:59:54 -0800 Message-ID: From: "Viteri, Ursulina" To: "'George Howell'" , "'sbeck@XXXXXX'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: oiling and centerstands Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 06:56:27 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 32 TEXT THANK YOU! My Kaw 454 LTD has a center stand. Gotta love my little bike. : - ) Ursulina Viteri 202-416-6534 * Fax 202-223-9095 AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. - Washington, DC >-----Original Message----- >From: George Howell [SMTP:ghowell@XXXXXX] >Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 1998 3:26 PM >To: sbeck@XXXXXX; DC Cycles >Subject: Re: oiling and centerstands > >>And that this problem can be avoided by putting the bike on >>the center stand while it's warming up. > >Sadly, in the effort to trim weight and increase ground clearance, damned >few bikes are left that have centerstands. Luckily, most of those bikes >are darned good ones. > > > > ``` > (o o) >*------------oooO----(_)-------------------* >|..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| >|.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| >*--------------------------oooO------------* > |__||__| > || || > ooO Ooo > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 22 10:01:11 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA21207; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 10:01:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA21423; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 10:01:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA00531; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 10:01:04 -0500 (EST) From: MARKSOMM Message-ID: Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 10:00:59 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: electric clothes Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Back in fall someone on this list said they had a spare spool of wire for constructing electric vests, etc. Is it still out there? Mark Sommerfield From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 22 10:19:52 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA21423; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 10:19:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA22502; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 10:19:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA01008; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 10:19:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from DONALD.CDER.FDA.GOV by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA19938; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 10:19:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from mr.cder.fda.gov by fdaserv.cder.fda.gov (PMDF V5.1-8 #21467) id <01ISO9G6FLUO8ZJZAB@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 10:18:35 EST Received: with PMDF-MR; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 10:17:20 -0500 (EST) MR-Received: by mta DONALD; Relayed; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 10:17:20 -0500 Alternate-recipient: prohibited Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 10:17:53 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy Subject: Re: Saturday ride, batteries, idling In-reply-to: <3.0.5.32.19980121194941.008ca980@mail.his.com> To: dc-cycles Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Posting-date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 10:17:55 -0500 (EST) Importance: normal Priority: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential UA-content-id: E1279IFF27QME X400-MTS-identifier: [;02710122108991/2275351@FDACD] A1-type: MAIL Hop-count: 1 >Regarding batteries, I used to work for a Honda motorcycle dealer & >did Yusa's one day tech seminar. In an ideal world you take a >battery, dump the electrolyte into it, let it sit for about 30 minutes >to soak into the plates, put it on a 1 amp charge for about 2 hours, >then install in the machine. It is permissible to bypass the above & >put the battery into a bike as long as; 1) the 30 soak time is >obsvered and 2) it be ridden for at least an hour assuming that it will >be ridden in such a fashion that the engine rpm is btw 40%-60% of >redline (typical highway usage on most bikes). The Yusa dude sez the >cells are "dry charged" at the factory, so this is possible. If you >have the time do it right. If this is not possible ride at speed for >at least a hour and you will be fine. It's interesting that the official company line (as per Yuasa's consumer guides) differs from what they tell you in the tech seminar. For my battery (ytx12) the consumer tech guide recommends something like 12 hours on the 1 amp charger. The instructions with the battery also recommend the extended charging time. Oh, btw, I got this battery at walmart. It's a Yuasa sealed battery with walmart's sticker on it. It was $50 - 5 for my old battery. Most of the local shops seem to sell this exact battery for $80. Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 22 10:46:18 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA21823; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 10:46:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA24190; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 10:45:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA01739; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 10:45:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from goliath.intelsol.com by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA20539; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 10:45:55 -0500 (EST) From: sbeck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.06 (346.8 3-18-1997)) id 85256594.00574FCE ; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 10:53:40 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256594.00562621.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 10:53:32 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII It's interesting that the official company line (as per Yuasa's consumer guides) differs from what they tell you in the tech seminar. For my battery (ytx12) the consumer tech guide recommends something like 12 hours on the 1 amp charger. The instructions with the battery also recommend the extended charging time. It doesn't surprise me that they would make that recommendation. When you follow it, the chances are the battery won't last quite as long. And then they get to sell you another battery much sooner. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out why this would be beneficial to them. Kind of like automobile manufactures not making cars theft proof. If they really wanted to, they could make them much more theft proof, but that would mean they don't get to sell another car every time one gets stolen. It's commonly known as corporate greed. Steve Beck From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 22 11:23:47 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA22429; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 11:23:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA26540; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 11:23:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA02871; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 11:23:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay2.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id LAA10020; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 11:23:02 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 11:21:44 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D39EAB2@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Brian McCoy'" Cc: DC-Cycles list Subject: RE: Weekend ride? Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 11:20:06 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Did we ever set a time for the ride Saturday? I vote 10am as opposed to 9am, you know, need that beauty sleep... I think they're still predicting morning showers, so keep your fingers crossed!! - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian McCoy [SMTP:bmccoy@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 1998 11:13 AM > Cc: DC-Cycles list > Subject: RE: Weekend ride? > > Whee.. me, pick a starting point? My house? Alright, how about > the > McD. on Rt1 that we started from once down there? That seemed to be a > fairly (in)convienent place to start - and I personaly like early > starts, > so 9am? 10am? Todd, if you're not going, at least get me a route > listing > for down there - I've been over most of the roads a couple of time and > could probably lead.. but I know you'll be there.. or we'll come wake > you > up and drag you with... > > > On Wed, 21 Jan 1998, Todd Peer wrote: > > > > I may show for saturday. Brian spoke up first, he gets to set the > > starting point. > > > > Got my tire for the Shadow, and if I get my rear turn-signal I may > > just stay home and re-assemble the little beasty. > > Brian P. McCoy - 86' VF500fg (street) - 92/94 RS125 (race) > bmccoy@XXXXXX (work) (301)210-8000 x 2155 (work) > bmccoy@XXXXXX (personal) (301)445-4451 (home) > www.geocities.com\motorcity\1319 (OLD Homepage - view at your own > risk) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 22 12:07:24 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA23436; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 12:07:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA29636; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 12:07:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from m-net.arbornet.org by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA04296; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 12:07:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (bmccoy@localhost) by m-net.arbornet.org (8.8.5/8.8.6) with SMTP id LAA17847 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 11:45:21 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 11:45:20 -0500 (EST) From: Brian McCoy cc: DC-Cycles list Subject: RE: Weekend ride? In-Reply-To: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D39EAB2@badge.tuckerflyer.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII 10 works for me... hopefully everything will be fine that morning. On Thu, 22 Jan 1998, O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: > Did we ever set a time for the ride Saturday? I vote 10am as opposed to > 9am, you know, need that beauty sleep... > I think they're still predicting morning showers, so keep your fingers > crossed!! > > - Jeannette Brian P. McCoy - 86' VF500fg (street) - 92/94 RS125 (race) bmccoy@XXXXXX (work) (301)210-8000 x 2155 (work) bmccoy@XXXXXX (personal) (301)445-4451 (home) www.geocities.com\motorcity\1319 (OLD Homepage - view at your own risk) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 22 12:31:12 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA24110; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 12:31:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA02432; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 12:31:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA05176; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 12:31:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA22860; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 12:31:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.02c) id A2231C80190; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 12:30:11 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980122121639.009fb5f0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 12:16:39 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: In-Reply-To: <85256594.00562621.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:53 AM 1/22/98 -0400, sbeck@XXXXXX wrote: > >It's interesting that the official company line (as per Yuasa's consumer >guides) differs from what they tell you in the tech seminar.... > >It doesn't surprise me that they would make that recommendation. When you >follow it, the chances are the battery won't last quite as long. And then >they get to sell you another battery much sooner. It doesn't take a rocket >scientist to figure out why this would be beneficial to them. With some limitations ... they need enough customer loyalty for a repeat-purchase. If customers can get longer-lived batteries from a competitor, then business will move in that direction. >Kind of like automobile manufactures not making cars theft proof. If they >really wanted to, they could make them much more theft proof, but that >would mean they don't get to sell another car every time one gets stolen. >It's commonly known as corporate greed. I think modern cars are pretty theft-proof, that's why carjacking has gotten so popular. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 22 12:47:45 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA24420; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 12:47:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA03070; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 12:47:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA05889; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 12:47:33 -0500 (EST) From: WantA ZX6 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 12:43:06 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Weekend ride? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) In a message dated 98-01-22 11:32:18 EST, you write: << Did we ever set a time for the ride Saturday? I vote 10am >> I vote 10 as well. The later the better because it roads will be drier. Is the starting point still the McD's on Rt1 in Hybla Valley? Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 22 13:29:16 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA25326; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 13:29:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA05699; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 13:28:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA07464; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 13:28:45 -0500 (EST) From: RDWOODJR Message-ID: Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 13:28:25 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: shocking battery prices Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) << Oh, btw, I got this battery at walmart. It's a Yuasa sealed battery with walmart's sticker on it. It was $50 - 5 for my old battery. Most of the local shops seem to sell this exact battery for $80. Kirk >> Here's some motorcycle industry insider info: Yuasa's dealer cost (from distributors, not direct) to the m/c shops on sealed batteries has dropped 25+% in the past two years. The shops need to smarten up and lower their retail prices on batteries. A battery and an oil filter may be the only neccessities a customer buys from a dealer, no sense in giving a customer a reason not to stop by, because the retails are high on those items. Heck, you should see the difference in profit margins from different OEM's! Honda thinks you have 50% profit in an oil filter (and be reasonably priced), while Suzuki gives you 35% profit, and a similar filter retails for more than Honda. (I'm not knocking any brands here, just giving an example). A few years ago, when the dollar to yen value dropped about 30%, japanese m/c parts retails (and cost) rose accordingly. Working for dealers, I watched parts retails (and dealer cost) still rise, inspite of the dollar's increase in value against the yen. Maybe there's another factor I'm not aware of, but that doesn't seem right. Try not blame the dealer for the retail increases on OEM parts. But, Yuasa's sealed battery dealer cost dropped a bunch, and not the retail. I blame the dealer. Richard Wood From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 22 14:42:42 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA27913; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 14:42:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA13597; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 14:42:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA11404; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 14:42:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from default ([12.68.77.91]) by mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA26345 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 19:41:40 +0000 Reply-To: "kevin thomas" From: "kevin thomas" To: Subject: Kerosene and primer Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 14:38:26 -0500 Message-ID: <01bd276d$4f116320$5b4d440c@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Hey, Y'all-- I have been an auto body repair technician, and have painted a few cars, damn fine looking ones, if I say so myself. If there are any other experienced painters on the list, please back me up here. Kerosene and all other petroleum based solvents are totally inappropriate for cleaning prior to paint. As Al said, they will contaminate the surface and ruin the paint job. Grease and wax removers are readily available at hardware stores. I have never used one from a hardware store, I don't know what's in them, but I imagine it'd be fine. Read the labels. I've never used brakekleen either, but it might be OK if I had nothing else. Laquer thinner is OK in an emergency as long as you're painting over lacquer. Lacquer thinner is much stronger than enamel and an inexperienced user risks damaging the underlying paint and ruining the new one. If I had no cleaner and had to do a job, I'd consider rubbing alcohol, but I've never actually tried it. Proper automotive cleaners like Dupont Prep-Sol are inexpensive and available at all autobody supply stores. Napa stores are an excellent and accessible resource for the do-it-yourself painter. Trak Auto sells a cleaner that I used on a small job and was satisfied with. It has a different composition and technique than Prep-Sol; read the instructions. Primer is a complicated subject. There are primers, primer-surfacer, primer-fillers, primer-sealers to keep the topcoat from attacking the substrate, primer-sealers to keep the underlying color from bleeding thru the topcoat, etching primers, flexible primers, and epoxy primers. Probably others, too. Primer is not necessary over a properly prepared substrate. It is necessary over bare metal or body filler. After a repair, primer is used to bring the repaired area's surface to the same level as the surrounding original paint. A sealer is sometimes beneficial over body filler. On plastic car bumpers (flexible), use flexible primer. I've never painted a motorcycle, but I might ask my paint supplier if I should use flexible primer on motorcycle plastic. If you've never painted, read a book. Painting is not too difficult if you are careful and follow the directions. Pre-paint preparation and a good repair is 90% of a good paint job. The techniques in the book are applicable even to a spray-can job, which, btw, can be indistinguishable from a job done with a gun, especially on small parts. HP Books has a good book, and there are others, probably available at Trak Auto, a speed shop, a bookstore, Motorbooks mail order, and your cycle shop probably ought to be able to order them. later Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 22 15:11:03 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA28522; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 15:11:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA14382; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 15:10:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from gwsmtp.nlm.nih.gov by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA12685; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 15:10:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from NLM-Message_Server by gwsmtp.nlm.nih.gov with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 15:10:32 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 15:10:09 -0500 From: Sandy Triolo To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Kerosene and primer I removed all the plastic from the hurricane summer before last, sanded it, primed it and had someone else paint it. The sanding and prep were tedious but not impossible. I had a few places to repair, I used small sheets of fiber glass and super glue. I used hot water to remove the old decals. I started with different grades of steel wool for sanding, then painted automotive primer on and then sanded with automotive grade sandpaper. Very light coats of primer and then sand quite a few times. I then packed up all the pieces and sent them to a shop in CAL. (friend of mine) who gave me a good price and had already painted bike parts. But I checked with a couple of shops around here and most said they would paint the plastic I had prepped. The prep is what cost most of the money in a paint job. The bike looked great, still does except for the part where I dropped it over while getting off in some uneven terrain.... not a good day. sandy 87 Hurricane 600 85 Virago 1000 >>> kevin thomas 01/22 2:38 PM >>> If you've never painted, read a book. Painting is not too difficult if you are careful and follow the directions. Pre-paint preparation and a good repair is 90% of a good paint job. The techniques in the book are applicable even to a spray-can job, which, btw, can be indistinguishable from a job done with a gun, especially on small parts. HP Books has a good book, and there are others, probably available at Trak Auto, a speed shop, a bookstore, Motorbooks mail order, and your cycle shop probably ought to be able to order them. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 22 15:21:59 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA28755; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 15:21:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA14575; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 15:21:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from sweden.it.earthlink.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA13107; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 15:21:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from [153.35.91.6] (1Cust6.tnt5.tco2.da.uu.net [153.35.91.6]) by sweden.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA17828 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 12:21:35 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: level_5_ltd@XXXXXX Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D39EA9B@badge.tuckerflyer.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 15:24:10 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Alan Lapp Subject: RE: Backfiring >I've found that "book learning" has nothing whatsoever to do with >intelligence... > >- Jeannette Tis' true. Many moon ago, I used to be a technical illustrator (with rapidograph pen on vellum) and worked for a woman who graduated top of her class undergrad, and had 2 post-grad degrees. Yet, she remained absymally stupid: she could not make decisions, could not delegate, could not communicate, and was devoid of all common sense given to small children and farm animals. She was nearly totally ineffective at her job, and she was my boss. I referred to her then, and always will refer to people like her, as 'a highly educated stupid person'. Bitter much? You should have seen my job reviews from this @*&#%!! Al level_5_ltd@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 22 15:22:41 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA28761; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 15:22:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA14595; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 15:22:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from dfw-ix15.ix.netcom.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA13141; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 15:22:33 -0500 (EST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix15.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id OAA15660; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 14:21:57 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199801222021.OAA15660@dfw-ix15.ix.netcom.com> Received: from slip-32-100-159-30.dc.us.ibm.net(32.100.159.30) by dfw-ix15.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma015539; Thu Jan 22 14:20:39 1998 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Bill Schmidt" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Chris Norloff Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 15:19:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Plastic Repair Priority: normal In-reply-to: <3.0.1.32.19980122095353.009f2c90@mail.toward.com> References: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) > smelly liquid) with their plastic repair kit. The primer is labeled "PE/PP > Primer" (as I recall). > > Any plastics experts know what this kind of primer does? PP is polypropylene, PE is polyethelene. As you have indicated, the primer acts to improve the bond -- in this case between the base material and the patch material. Bill Schmidt billsch@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 22 15:29:37 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA28870; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 15:29:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA14782; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 15:29:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from sweden.it.earthlink.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA13393; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 15:29:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from [153.35.91.6] (1Cust6.tnt5.tco2.da.uu.net [153.35.91.6]) by sweden.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA22438 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 12:29:26 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: level_5_ltd@XXXXXX Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980122095353.009f2c90@mail.toward.com> References: <3.0.1.32.19980121074147.0091caf0@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 15:32:05 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Alan Lapp Subject: Re: Plastic Repair >I don't know the chemistry involved, but Three Bond sells Primer (clear >smelly liquid) with their plastic repair kit. The primer is labeled "PE/PP >Primer" (as I recall). > >Any plastics experts know what this kind of primer does? > >Chris Norloff In real life, I'm not a plastics expert, but play one on local access cable. My guess would be that it is either a cleaner, much like the plastic cleaner used when working with PVC plumbing, which is also a clear smelly liquid, (in which case, primer would technically be a misnomer) or, a mild solvent which slightly disolves the plastic to create a receptive area for chemical bonding. Chemically, the latter would be extremely dependent on which plastic is being repaired, because diferent plastics have diferent solvents. Al level_5_ltd@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 22 15:33:07 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA28940; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 15:33:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA14873; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 15:32:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from sweden.it.earthlink.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA13495; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 15:32:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from [153.35.91.6] (1Cust6.tnt5.tco2.da.uu.net [153.35.91.6]) by sweden.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA24327 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 12:32:53 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: level_5_ltd@XXXXXX Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.5.32.19980121194941.008ca980@mail.his.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 15:35:34 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Alan Lapp Subject: Re: Saturday ride, batteries, idling >Oh, btw, I got this battery at walmart. It's a Yuasa sealed battery with >walmart's sticker on it. It was $50 - 5 for my old battery. Most of the >local shops seem to sell this exact battery for $80. > >Kirk They may not be *exactly* alike. Caveat emptor! Unless the Yuasa part numbers are identical, chances are that there is some diference, probably having to do with quality. Al level_5_ltd@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 22 15:51:15 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA29306; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 15:51:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA15697; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 15:50:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA14264; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 15:50:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id OAA11342 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 14:50:19 -0600 (CST) Received: from imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid01.mcit.com [166.37.221.13]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA19907 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 15:50:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from LJTanner.mcit.com ([166.41.110.41]) by imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19980122205017.WOLR215@XXXXXX> for ; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 14:50:17 -0600 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 14:50:13 -0500 Message-ID: <01BD2745.0B36A840.linda.tanner@mci.com> From: Linda Tanner To: "Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: RE: Plastic Repair Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 14:50:10 -0500 Organization: MCI Telecommunications X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit So the question is, what kind of plastic is the fairing on my F3. It's not fiberglass (no fibers). The type of plastic is important because the instructions are different for different kinds of plastic. Anyone know?? I could call the dealer, I suppose, but this is more fun. BTW, I just got my three bond kit and I will be causing myself serious damage breathing noxious fumes this weekend. I will try to do as much of the work outside as possible. LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze -----Original Message----- From: Alan Lapp [SMTP:level_5_ltd@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, January 22, 1998 3:32 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Plastic Repair >I don't know the chemistry involved, but Three Bond sells Primer (clear >smelly liquid) with their plastic repair kit. The primer is labeled "PE/PP >Primer" (as I recall). > >Any plastics experts know what this kind of primer does? > >Chris Norloff In real life, I'm not a plastics expert, but play one on local access cable. My guess would be that it is either a cleaner, much like the plastic cleaner used when working with PVC plumbing, which is also a clear smelly liquid, (in which case, primer would technically be a misnomer) or, a mild solvent which slightly disolves the plastic to create a receptive area for chemical bonding. Chemically, the latter would be extremely dependent on which plastic is being repaired, because diferent plastics have diferent solvents. Al level_5_ltd@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 22 16:01:57 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA29636; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 16:01:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA15853; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 16:01:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA14792; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 16:01:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id QAA16904 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 16:01:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid02.mcit.com [166.37.221.14]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id QAA26927 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 16:01:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from mci.com ([166.32.114.127]) by imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with ESMTP id <19980122210109.TXGR28757@XXXXXX>; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 15:01:09 -0600 Message-ID: <34C7B38F.D7B41525@mci.com> Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 16:01:04 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Reply-To: Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Linda Tanner CC: "Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: Re: Plastic Repair References: <01BD2745.0B36A840.linda.tanner@mci.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Linda Tanner wrote: > BTW, I just got my three bond kit and I will be causing myself serious > damage breathing noxious fumes this weekend. I will try to do as much of > the work outside as possible. Great, thanks for sharing . Now we'll all get sick! :-) Dale (the Horkster) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 22 16:16:56 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA29919; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 16:16:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA16152; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 16:16:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA15414; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 16:16:41 -0500 (EST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id PAA16699; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 15:16:05 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199801222116.PAA16699@dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com> Received: from slip-32-100-159-30.dc.us.ibm.net(32.100.159.30) by dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma016674; Thu Jan 22 15:15:42 1998 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Bill Schmidt" To: "Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" , Linda Tanner Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 16:15:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: RE: Plastic Repair Priority: normal In-reply-to: <01BD2745.0B36A840.linda.tanner@mci.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) > So the question is, what kind of plastic is the fairing on my F3. It's not > fiberglass (no fibers). The type of plastic is important because the > instructions are different for different kinds of plastic. Anyone know?? More than likely it is ABS. Bill Schmidt billsch@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 22 16:56:13 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA00653; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 16:56:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA17293; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 16:55:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA17107; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 16:55:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from default ([12.68.77.209]) by mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA21807; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 21:55:14 +0000 Reply-To: "kevin thomas" From: "kevin thomas" To: "Linda Tanner" , "Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: determining plastic type Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 16:52:01 -0500 Message-ID: <01bd277f$f89cd700$5b4d440c@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Linda-- I'd honestly be surprised if a randomly selected dealer employee actually knows what type of plastic the bike is made of. The trouble is, he might well answer your question anyway. There are specific tests, quite easy, to determine the plastic type. An auto body supplier can tell you what they are. I can't recall them myself, except to say that a couple of them involve burning a shaving of plastic; the color of the flame identifies the type. Mattos is a large supplier that may operate in your area. I recall one supplier employee told me all cycles use ABS plastic. I wouldn't accept a blanket reply like that if I were you. Good luck Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 22 17:07:07 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA00818; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 17:07:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA17655; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 17:06:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA17610; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 17:06:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id RAA14180 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 17:06:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid02.mcit.com [166.37.221.14]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id QAA18432 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 16:06:25 -0600 (CST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19980122220624.UFBA28757@[166.41.242.141]>; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 16:06:24 -0600 Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 16:57 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: Linda Tanner CC: "Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: RE: Plastic Repair X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980122220624.UFBA28757@[166.41.242.141]> >So the question is, what kind of plastic is the fairing on my F3. Broken plastic! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 22 17:11:03 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA00893; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 17:11:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA17748; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 17:10:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA17751; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 17:10:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id RAA15893 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 17:10:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid01.mcit.com [166.37.221.13]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id QAA15259; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 16:10:23 -0600 (CST) Received: from LJTanner.mcit.com ([166.41.110.41]) by imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19980122221022.WYAV215@XXXXXX>; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 16:10:22 -0600 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 16:10:17 -0500 Message-ID: <01BD2750.3ADA64A0.linda.tanner@mci.com> From: Linda Tanner To: "'Todd Peer'" Cc: "Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: RE: Plastic Repair Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 16:10:15 -0500 Organization: MCI Telecommunications X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Uh, thank you Todd. LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze -----Original Message----- From: Todd Peer [SMTP:Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, January 22, 1998 4:57 PM To: Linda Tanner Cc: Dc-Cycles (E-mail) Subject: RE: Plastic Repair >So the question is, what kind of plastic is the fairing on my F3. Broken plastic! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 22 17:23:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA01074; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 17:23:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA18119; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 17:23:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA18166; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 17:23:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id RAA21093; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 17:22:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid01.mcit.com [166.37.221.13]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id RAA30335; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 17:22:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from LJTanner.mcit.com ([166.41.110.41]) by imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19980122222253.WZRS215@XXXXXX>; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 16:22:53 -0600 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 16:22:47 -0500 Message-ID: <01BD2751.FA1ED200.linda.tanner@mci.com> From: Linda Tanner To: "'kevin thomas'" , "Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: RE: determining plastic type Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 16:22:47 -0500 Organization: MCI Telecommunications X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have similar doubts about the knowledge/veracity of your average bike shop employee. I'll find out. LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze -----Original Message----- From: kevin thomas [SMTP:klthomas@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, January 22, 1998 4:52 PM To: Linda Tanner; Dc-Cycles (E-mail) Subject: determining plastic type Linda-- I'd honestly be surprised if a randomly selected dealer employee actually knows what type of plastic the bike is made of. The trouble is, he might well answer your question anyway. There are specific tests, quite easy, to determine the plastic type. An auto body supplier can tell you what they are. I can't recall them myself, except to say that a couple of them involve burning a shaving of plastic; the color of the flame identifies the type. Mattos is a large supplier that may operate in your area. I recall one supplier employee told me all cycles use ABS plastic. I wouldn't accept a blanket reply like that if I were you. Good luck Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 22 18:08:58 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA01777; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 18:08:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA19182; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 18:08:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA19615; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 18:08:22 -0500 (EST) From: RDWOODJR Message-ID: <252ac874.34c7ceaf@aol.com> Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 17:56:45 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: determining plastic type Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) << I have similar doubts about the knowledge/veracity of your average bike shop employee. I'll find out. LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze >> I do take offense to that, but it IS true. I after, so often, affected with my unwaivering empathy, was told I bent over backwards too far to help a customer, would strive to find the answer right away or call them back with the answer. Successfull every time? No. Happy customers, and good profit/loss statement? Yes. It is not a professional business, but there are a few (define few) professionals working in it. And then leaving it. After a management consultant firm convinced local (and is trying nation-wide) dealers not to pay people like myself big-bucks anymore, back to 1970's for some dealers, employee turn-over every 2-3 years. Lucky customers, quality of service diminished, payroll down, profits up! There are exceptions, I know who they are. Have you ever been to Frederick Harley-Davidson? Every employee you make eye contact with greets you, and you can walk around in the service department. As any owner or manager knows (or should, and care), you can only look as good as your employees allow you to. gee, am I feeling bitter? Maybe I should fire off a few rounds in the back yard, that always helps. Richard From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 22 18:39:05 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA02255; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 18:39:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA19540; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 18:38:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA20427; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 18:38:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.171] (unverified [207.226.128.171]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 18:43:10 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: RE: Batteries Date: Thu, 22 Jan 98 18:38:18 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Whiteside, John" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Too much of a hassle? It takes me about twelve seconds max to put my >bike on its centerstand. When going into the quicky mart, that's a pain. It only takes a fraction of that to use the sidestand. And since the engine is already warmed up, there's no need to worry about starting it on the centerstand when I come out. And it only takes me 11 seconds to put my bike on the centrestand:p ``` (o o) *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| *--------------------------oooO------------* |__||__| || || ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 22 19:17:19 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA02916; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 19:17:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA19802; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 19:16:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from camel7.mindspring.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA21268; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 19:16:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from HGREENS.adventisthealthcare.com (Pool-207-205-223-196.pitb.grid.net [207.205.223.196]) by camel7.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA17346 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 19:16:55 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980122191804.006a25f0@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: hggmd@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 19:18:04 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." Subject: Autocom installed Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I finally got around to installing my Autocom "Eurocom" intercom (try saying that five times fast!) this afternoon, and it is incredible. Installation took about 10 minutes: tap connectors to switched power and ground off the taillight, velcro to secure the box inside the tail, then cable ties along the frame rails to run my headset connector and Walkman cable to the front of the seat. Installing the headsets in my Arai and a Shoei took another 10 minutes. In short, it works great, far superior to anything else I've tried. The sound is excellent, the intercom VOX works extremely well (even reduces the volume of the Walkman when you speak), and it doesn't pick up road noise. All in all, I'm very psyched and have (almost) recovered from the sticker shock. I'm tempted now to get the CB and cellular phone adapters! Their URL is: http://www.autocom.co.uk/ Harry Bethesda, MD '97 BMW R1100RT http://www.greenspun.com/harry/bikes.htm "The more you live, the less you die." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 22 19:34:47 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA03256; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 19:34:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA20548; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 19:34:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA21806; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 19:34:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id SAA27126 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 18:33:45 -0600 (CST) Received: from imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid01.mcit.com [166.37.221.13]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id TAA02612 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 19:33:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from LJTanner.mcit.com ([166.41.110.41]) by imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19980123003344.XJDT215@XXXXXX> for ; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 18:33:44 -0600 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 18:33:38 -0500 Message-ID: <01BD2764.418CC7C0.linda.tanner@mci.com> From: Linda Tanner To: "Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: RE: determining plastic type Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 18:33:37 -0500 Organization: MCI Telecommunications X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit No intention to offend. Remember, I did say 'average bike shop employee'. Certainly, there are plenty of above average employees, just as there are below average employees. Kinda like the definition of average. LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze -----Original Message----- From: RDWOODJR [SMTP:RDWOODJR@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, January 22, 1998 5:57 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: determining plastic type << I have similar doubts about the knowledge/veracity of your average bike shop employee. I'll find out. LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze >> I do take offense to that, but it IS true. I after, so often, affected with my unwaivering empathy, was told I bent over backwards too far to help a customer, would strive to find the answer right away or call them back with the answer. Successfull every time? No. Happy customers, and good profit/loss statement? Yes. It is not a professional business, but there are a few (define few) professionals working in it. And then leaving it. After a management consultant firm convinced local (and is trying nation-wide) dealers not to pay people like myself big-bucks anymore, back to 1970's for some dealers, employee turn-over every 2-3 years. Lucky customers, quality of service diminished, payroll down, profits up! There are exceptions, I know who they are. Have you ever been to Frederick Harley-Davidson? Every employee you make eye contact with greets you, and you can walk around in the service department. As any owner or manager knows (or should, and care), you can only look as good as your employees allow you to. gee, am I feeling bitter? Maybe I should fire off a few rounds in the back yard, that always helps. Richard From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 22 19:39:16 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA03356; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 19:39:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA20620; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 19:39:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA21938; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 19:39:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id SAA27907 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 18:38:34 -0600 (CST) Received: from imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid01.mcit.com [166.37.221.13]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id SAA22844 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 18:38:34 -0600 (CST) Received: from LJTanner.mcit.com ([166.41.110.41]) by imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19980123003833.XJHN215@XXXXXX> for ; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 18:38:33 -0600 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 18:38:27 -0500 Message-ID: <01BD2764.EDFAEE60.linda.tanner@mci.com> From: Linda Tanner To: "Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: Centerstands was RE: Batteries Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 18:38:26 -0500 Organization: MCI Telecommunications X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well I haven't managed it at all yet. In fact in an attempt to get it up on the centerstand last Sunday, I dropped it (again). That is what has prompted my questions about plastic repair. Next time I'm around some bikers, I'm going to get youse guys (gender non-specific term) to spot me while I try again - and give me tips on my technique. LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze -----Original Message----- From: George Howell [SMTP:ghowell@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, January 22, 1998 6:38 PM To: Whiteside, John; 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' Subject: RE: Batteries >Too much of a hassle? It takes me about twelve seconds max to put my >bike on its centerstand. When going into the quicky mart, that's a pain. It only takes a fraction of that to use the sidestand. And since the engine is already warmed up, there's no need to worry about starting it on the centerstand when I come out. And it only takes me 11 seconds to put my bike on the centrestand:p ``` (o o) *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| *--------------------------oooO------------* |__||__| || || ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 22 19:55:53 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA03644; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 19:55:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA20750; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 19:55:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA22448; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 19:55:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from default ([12.68.77.134]) by mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA21925 for ; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 00:55:12 +0000 Reply-To: "kevin thomas" From: "kevin thomas" To: "dc-cycles" Subject: HP Books, btw, etc Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 19:51:58 -0500 Message-ID: <01bd2799$1bf284c0$864d440c@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Hey, y'all-- BTW, HP Books is a publisher, not a store. Sorry I wasn't clear. They have a full line of how-to books for motorheads. They are serious books that will take you from beginner to expert. They are understandable for readers at any experience level, and following them will provide professional results. They are available from the retailers I mentioned, and others. Also BTW, Haynes, the car repair manual people, have a "Motorcycle Workshop Practices Manual". It doesn't tell you how to specifically fix your model of bike; rather, for those who do not have years of mechanical experience, fills in the gaps between your knowledge and the instructions in your bike manual. It may help you figure out how to get by without special tools from the dealer, it explains tools, chemicals, techniques, has a glossary, etc. Available wherever Haynes Manuals are sold. Trak Auto should be able to special order it, as should many bookstores, etc. later Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 22 19:57:08 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA03667; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 19:57:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA20760; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 19:57:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.mnsinc.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA22467; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 19:57:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay.mnsinc.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA20277; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 19:57:01 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <34C8158D.366D@mnsinc.com> Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 19:59:09 -0800 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles CC: Chris Norloff Subject: Shaolin Philo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > From: Chris Norloff > Be at peace, glasshoppa. > Do not trouble yourself with these people. Flow around them as the water > of a stream flows around the rocks. For you will not change these people, > and they can do you great harm if you let them. > Remove your anger, and focus on your travel. > :-) > Chris Norloff Chris, When Brian can take the pebble from your hand it will be time for him to go... ;^D J (D-mode) K From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 22 22:23:32 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA05440; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 22:23:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA21912; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 22:23:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA25485; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 22:23:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.131] (unverified [207.226.128.131]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 22:28:07 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: RE: Weekend ride? Date: Thu, 22 Jan 98 22:23:17 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Brian McCoy" , "O'Brien, Jeannette" cc: "'Collin T. Fagan'" , "Jinn Sinn" , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Yeah, but if Jeanette lets me ride pillion, I'll let her use my bike. :) -George >I'm the second volunteer.. > >On Thu, 22 Jan 1998, O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: > >> Hmmm, methinks when we have more experience, Marcy & I will have to take >> you up on that!! ; ) >> >> - Jeannette >> >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Collin T. Fagan [SMTP:gixer@XXXXXX] >> > Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 1998 10:06 PM >> > To: Jinn Sinn >> > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >> > Subject: Re: Weekend ride? >> > >> > Sounds fine to me......I'd be happy to be sitting behind the likes of >> > Jeanette and >> > Marcy with my arms wrapped around them :) (only to hold on, of course) >> > CT >> > >> > Jinn Sinn wrote: >> > >> > > In a message dated 1/21/98 10:10:31 AM, Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX wrote: >> > > >> > > <<><< May even bring a female along for the ride . >> >> > > > >> > > >Ahem! There may even be some FEMALES along DRIVING. *smack* :D >> > > >> > > No driving on a ride please. *whack* :-p>> >> > > >> > > oh my! please forgive my overwhelming ignorance! ;D I merely meant >> > to indicate >> > > that we women would be the OPERATORS of some of the vehicles present >> > on this >> > > RIDE (better?) In other words, that we, the women of the ride, >> > intend to take >> > > charge of these machine-beasts and whip them, along with all of you, >> > our love >> > > slaves, into fine form, so ......... gentlemen.....start your >> > grovelling! >> > > MUAH HA H AH AH AH AHHAHAHAHAHHAHA ;D >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > _________________________________________ >> > Collin and Penny Fagan >> > LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard >> > (202) 366-0067 (work) >> > (703) 356-4279 (home) >> > ICQ UIN: 435732 >> > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ >> > (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) >> > >> From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 22 22:39:59 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA05698; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 22:39:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA22477; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 22:39:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from m-net.arbornet.org by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA25821; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 22:39:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (bmccoy@localhost) by m-net.arbornet.org (8.8.5/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA06336; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 22:19:12 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 22:19:11 -0500 (EST) From: Brian McCoy To: "John C. Kozyn" cc: dc-cycles , Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Shaolin Philo In-Reply-To: <34C8158D.366D@mnsinc.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII That shouldn't be to hard.. I'll just slug him in the gut.. the pebble will be easy to take then. :) Brian - living up to my anger - McCoy On Thu, 22 Jan 1998, John C. Kozyn wrote: > > From: Chris Norloff > > > Be at peace, glasshoppa. > > > Do not trouble yourself with these people. Flow around them as the water > > of a stream flows around the rocks. For you will not change these people, > > and they can do you great harm if you let them. > > > Remove your anger, and focus on your travel. > > > :-) > > Chris Norloff > > Chris, > > When Brian can take the pebble from your hand it will be time for him to > go... ;^D > > J (D-mode) K > Brian P. McCoy - 86' VF500fg (street) - 92/94 RS125 (race) bmccoy@XXXXXX (work) (301)210-8000 x 2155 (work) bmccoy@XXXXXX (personal) (301)445-4451 (home) www.geocities.com\motorcity\1319 (OLD Homepage - view at your own risk) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 22 23:18:17 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA06116; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 23:18:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA22850; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 23:18:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from m-net.arbornet.org by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA26436; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 23:18:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (bmccoy@localhost) by m-net.arbornet.org (8.8.5/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA11016; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 22:37:32 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 22:37:32 -0500 (EST) From: Brian McCoy To: George Howell cc: "O'Brien, Jeannette" , "'Collin T. Fagan'" , Jinn Sinn , DC Cycles Subject: RE: Weekend ride? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII If Jeannette lets me ride pillion, we won't NEED a bike.. ;) On Thu, 22 Jan 1998, George Howell wrote: > Yeah, but if Jeanette lets me ride pillion, I'll let her use my bike. > > :) > > -George > > > >I'm the second volunteer.. > > > >On Thu, 22 Jan 1998, O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: > > > >> Hmmm, methinks when we have more experience, Marcy & I will have to take > >> you up on that!! ; ) > >> > >> - Jeannette > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- > >> > From: Collin T. Fagan [SMTP:gixer@XXXXXX] > >> > Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 1998 10:06 PM > >> > To: Jinn Sinn > >> > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >> > Subject: Re: Weekend ride? > >> > > >> > Sounds fine to me......I'd be happy to be sitting behind the likes of > >> > Jeanette and > >> > Marcy with my arms wrapped around them :) (only to hold on, of course) > >> > CT > >> > > >> > Jinn Sinn wrote: > >> > > >> > > In a message dated 1/21/98 10:10:31 AM, Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX wrote: > >> > > > >> > > <<><< May even bring a female along for the ride . >> > >> > > > > >> > > >Ahem! There may even be some FEMALES along DRIVING. *smack* :D > >> > > > >> > > No driving on a ride please. *whack* :-p>> > >> > > > >> > > oh my! please forgive my overwhelming ignorance! ;D I merely meant > >> > to indicate > >> > > that we women would be the OPERATORS of some of the vehicles present > >> > on this > >> > > RIDE (better?) In other words, that we, the women of the ride, > >> > intend to take > >> > > charge of these machine-beasts and whip them, along with all of you, > >> > our love > >> > > slaves, into fine form, so ......... gentlemen.....start your > >> > grovelling! > >> > > MUAH HA H AH AH AH AHHAHAHAHAHHAHA ;D > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > _________________________________________ > >> > Collin and Penny Fagan > >> > LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard > >> > (202) 366-0067 (work) > >> > (703) 356-4279 (home) > >> > ICQ UIN: 435732 > >> > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ > >> > (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) > >> > > >> > Brian P. McCoy - 86' VF500fg (street) - 92/94 RS125 (race) bmccoy@XXXXXX (work) (301)210-8000 x 2155 (work) bmccoy@XXXXXX (personal) (301)445-4451 (home) www.geocities.com\motorcity\1319 (OLD Homepage - view at your own risk) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 22 23:39:12 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA06441; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 23:39:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA23001; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 23:39:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA26953; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 23:39:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.112] (unverified [207.226.128.112]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 23:43:53 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Centerstands was RE: Batteries Date: Thu, 22 Jan 98 23:39:03 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Linda Tanner" , "Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Well I haven't managed it at all yet. In fact in an attempt to get it up >on the centerstand last Sunday, I dropped it (again). That is what has >prompted my questions about plastic repair. Next time I'm around some >bikers, I'm going to get youse guys (gender non-specific term) to spot me >while I try again - and give me tips on my technique. Get it balanced nice. Then push down the centrestand until both feet touch ground. Step on the tab. Transfer weight onto that leg only. -George From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 22 23:45:30 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA06493; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 23:45:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA23042; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 23:45:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA27091; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 23:45:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.140] (unverified [207.226.128.140]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 23:50:15 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: RE: Weekend ride? Date: Thu, 22 Jan 98 23:45:21 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Brian McCoy" cc: "O'Brien, Jeannette" , "'Collin T. Fagan'" , "Jinn Sinn" , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >If Jeannette lets me ride pillion, we won't NEED a bike.. ;) More than a bit too tasteless for me to touch... -George From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 23 00:37:10 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA07405; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 00:37:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA24283; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 00:37:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA28174; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 00:36:59 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA22330; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 00:32:45 -0500 Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 00:24:38 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Plastic Repair To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 20 Jan 1998, Brian McCoy wrote: > I've heard of others using a mix of baking soda and glue to fix cracks - > but I haven't tried it myself. I've done this once on my V30 when one of the plastic 'spikes' that held the sidecovers on broke off.It worked great and held up for several years(if memory serves the battery was behind this sidecover). Don't know how well it would work on the fairing,though. You basically put some baking soda around the part to glue,then apply the glue,then put some more baking soda on it.After the glue sets,you just blow off the excess soda. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 23 00:45:40 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA07500; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 00:45:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA24366; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 00:45:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA28433; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 00:45:32 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA22391; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 00:41:22 -0500 Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 00:36:53 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: I think I saw OJ! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 20 Jan 1998, Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN wrote: > To all you Marylanders I was at the Geek, I mean computer show on > Saturday at Frederick and on my return trip back down I-270 saw > Maryland's latest disguise. Yep, it was a full sized white Ford Bronco > pulling over speeders. Keep an eye out. Last summer on the MD side of the beltway I saw an old GMC van going the other way with flashers/siren going.It was brownish and looked like it had been a custom from the 70's.Wouldn't have given it a second look otherwise. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 23 00:46:52 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA07525; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 00:46:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA24376; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 00:46:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA28443; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 00:46:45 -0500 (EST) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id AAA21774; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 00:53:47 -0500 Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 00:53:46 -0500 (EST) From: Garcia Oliver To: Linda Tanner cc: dc-cycle Subject: Re: Centerstands was RE: Batteries In-Reply-To: <01BD2764.EDFAEE60.linda.tanner@mci.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Try this (with spotter on right): (1) use flat, hard surface; bike facing uphill (it's cheating a bit, but a slight incline helps); (2) stand on left side of bike, (3) lower c-stand and rock bike sideways until you can feel both c-stand legs touching ground. Right hand's still on brake. (4) Now, move close to the bike, right leg/hip touching side cover; your right foot is still on c-stand tab. Keeping bike on both c-stand legs, move right hand to grab-rail (bike might roll back a couple of inches when you release brake; don't be startled). (5) Keeping the bike centered, bend your right knee, and straighten your right arm. (Left hand's on left grip throughout.) (6) In one motion, straighten the right leg (foot stil on tab) AND pull UP (NOT back) with right arm. Done! Of course, the hard part is getting it OFF the c-stand. ;^) --garcia good l*** On Thu, 22 Jan 1998, Linda Tanner wrote: > Well I haven't managed it at all yet. In fact in an attempt to get it up > on the centerstand last Sunday, I dropped it (again). That is what has > prompted my questions about plastic repair. Next time I'm around some > bikers, I'm going to get youse guys (gender non-specific term) to spot me > while I try again - and give me tips on my technique. > > LindaT. > 95 F3 Purple Haze > > > -----Original Message----- > From: George Howell [SMTP:ghowell@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, January 22, 1998 6:38 PM > To: Whiteside, John; 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > Subject: RE: Batteries > > >Too much of a hassle? It takes me about twelve seconds max to put my > >bike on its centerstand. > > When going into the quicky mart, that's a pain. It only takes a fraction > of that to use the sidestand. And since the engine is already warmed up, > there's no need to worry about starting it on the centerstand when I come > out. > > And it only takes me 11 seconds to put my bike on the centrestand:p > > > > ``` > (o o) > *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* > |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| > |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| > *--------------------------oooO------------* > |__||__| > || || > ooO Ooo > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 23 00:49:08 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA07551; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 00:49:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA24408; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 00:49:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA28463; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 00:48:59 -0500 (EST) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id AAA21961; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 00:56:07 -0500 Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 00:56:07 -0500 (EST) From: Garcia Oliver To: "Gil M. Nissley" cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Plastic Repair In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Ok, what kind of glue, and what's the baking soda supposed to do? --garcia On Fri, 23 Jan 1998, Gil M. Nissley wrote: > On Tue, 20 Jan 1998, Brian McCoy wrote: > > I've heard of others using a mix of baking soda and glue to fix cracks - > > but I haven't tried it myself. > > I've done this once on my V30 when one of the plastic 'spikes' that > held the sidecovers on broke off.It worked great and held up for > several years(if memory serves the battery was behind this sidecover). > Don't know how well it would work on the fairing,though. > You basically put some baking soda around the part to glue,then apply > the glue,then put some more baking soda on it.After the glue sets,you > just blow off the excess soda. > > > > The official BuellBoy Genes model. > > gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT > > Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 23 00:56:58 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA07640; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 00:56:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA24822; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 00:56:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA28540; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 00:56:52 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA22436; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 00:52:42 -0500 Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 00:47:45 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Plastic Repair To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 23 Jan 1998, Garcia Oliver wrote: > Ok, what kind of glue, and what's the baking soda supposed to do? Oops,that should be super glue.I think the baking soda is supposed to act as some kind of filler.I did the repair back in like '86 or '87 after reading the tip in _Motorcyclist_. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 23 04:04:37 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA09169; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 04:04:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA26776; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 04:04:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA00948; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 04:04:19 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id EAA23928; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 04:00:10 -0500 Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 03:53:56 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Backfiring To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3734C63401BD1160@xgate.usia.gov> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 21 Jan 1998, Adams, Bill wrote: > (motorcycles fire spark on > both the compression AND exhaust stroke). I think the only modern bikes with dual fire ignitions are Harleys. I'm pretty certain the digitally-controlled systems on late-model repli-racers are single fire(I guarantee bikes with EFI are). The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 23 04:13:19 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA09225; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 04:13:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA26852; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 04:13:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA01023; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 04:13:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id EAA23961; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 04:09:03 -0500 Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 04:00:28 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Backfiring To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <34C666C2.65A6ED55@ibm.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 21 Jan 1998, Robert W. Johnston wrote: > No personal affront meant to Kurt. But whats happend to American Boyhood. > I mean I'm just on the high side of the GenX demographic, but many of the > questions posted to this list make me wonder.... Don't feel bad.I was sitting in the base bowling alley one time with my friends when this dependent kid comes in with big news for his pals. Aparrently,Ozzy Osborne used to sing for Black Sabbath. Whoa. > Don't teenaged boys work on their own cars anymore.... > What about shop class and such... Why would they?Look at the cars nowadays.They're either too complicated or not worth the effort.How cool is it to hop up a Hyundia? > Why in my day ... They had _real_ Mustangs,Camaros,etc.(not to mention KZ's,SOHC4's...) The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 23 04:45:54 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA09527; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 04:45:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA27032; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 04:45:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA01368; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 04:45:45 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id EAA24099; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 04:41:36 -0500 Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 04:37:55 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Batteries To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 21 Jan 1998, George Howell wrote: > >So the question is, should you not warm up the bike (or cage if anyone knows) > Again, don't warm up either bike or cage. Just take it easy until the oil > temp comes up, or the oil pressure backs off a bit. Wrong.Depends on the bike.Harleys(and those bikes w/Harley engines) _need_ to be properly warmed up or else the cylinder base gaskets will leak.I've seen big singles which had the same prob with their head gaskets. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 23 05:12:37 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id FAA09702; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 05:12:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id FAA27511; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 05:12:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id FAA01599; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 05:12:14 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id FAA24202; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 05:08:04 -0500 Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 05:04:28 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Sender: "Gil M. Nissley" Reply-To: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Warm Up To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Since we've been talking about warm ups,I figured I'd throw in my method,which I've gotten from reading the little manuals that came with my bikes.I start the motor with as much choke as I need to get it to fire.Then I let it idle at about 500rpm above normal idle and adjust the choke as it warms up and the revs rise.When I get it down to about 1/4-1/5 choke,I start to ride,and close the choke completely after a couple miles.So far,I haven't had any probs with fouled plugs,poor mileage,or had any premature wear. OBmoto:the worse bike I had for warming up was my '86 VFR750.It had CA emissions crap and needed lots of choke in the middle of summer.The best was my CBR900.In 80+deg weather I could fire it up w/out the choke and with only about 30sec worth of throttle- blipping it was ready to roll(no coughing or hesitation at all). The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 23 08:01:24 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA11019; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 08:01:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA29984; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 08:01:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from sundown.northgrum.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA03500; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 08:01:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from puff.northgrum.com (puff.northgrum.com [157.127.103.139]) by sundown.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id FAA14934 for ; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 05:00:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from xcgca011.northgrum.com ([157.127.103.101]) by puff.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id FAA15775 for ; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 05:00:57 -0800 (PST) Received: by XCGCA011 with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 05:00:54 -0800 Message-ID: <11D743514607D011A15500805FEA3464C950B4@xcgva001.grumman.com> From: "Meier, Christopher" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, "'Gil M. Nissley'" Subject: RE: Warm Up Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 05:00:51 -0800 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain > ---------- > From: Gil M. Nissley[SMTP:gnissley@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, January 23, 1998 12:04 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Warm Up > --snip-- > OBmoto:the worse bike I had for warming up was my '86 VFR750.It > had CA emissions crap and needed lots of choke in the middle of > summer.The best was my CBR900.In 80+deg weather I could fire it > up w/out the choke and with only about 30sec worth of throttle- > blipping it was ready to roll(no coughing or hesitation at all). > That's interesting. With my RF, even in cold weather (i.e. 35 deg and below) I put on full choke, start, leave it on for like 5 SEC max, and turn the choke all the way off. It idles fine and is ready to ride immediately. I can't explain it, but I'll take it! :-) Some other listers, have been amazed that it starts this well ... even after it sat for several days. Later, chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 23 08:22:12 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA11153; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 08:22:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA00263; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 08:22:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from goliath.intelsol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA03717; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 08:22:01 -0500 (EST) From: sbeck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.06 (346.8 3-18-1997)) id 85256595.004A25F6 ; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 08:29:53 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: linda.tanner@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256595.0049E53D.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 08:29:49 -0400 Subject: RE: Plastic Repair Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII >So the question is, what kind of plastic is the fairing on my F3. Broken plastic! Ok Linda, I'll hold Todd down, and you can coat him with fiberglass and resin. 8-) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 23 08:22:40 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA11160; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 08:22:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA00273; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 08:22:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from draco.eisi.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA03729; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 08:22:34 -0500 (EST) Received: by draco.eisi.com; id IAA13011; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 08:22:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from unknown(10.3.1.4) by draco.eisi.com via smap (3.2) id xma012991; Fri, 23 Jan 98 08:22:28 -0500 Received: by hrnexch1.eisi.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 08:22:34 -0500 Message-ID: <7F151D3C3920D111859A080009D80639884B2E@hrnexch1.eisi.com> From: "Whiteside, John" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Batteries Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 08:22:30 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Hey! Let's have a centerstand race! -- John Whiteside > -----Original Message----- > From: George Howell [SMTP:ghowell@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, January 22, 1998 6:38 PM > To: Whiteside, John; 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > Subject: RE: Batteries > > >Too much of a hassle? It takes me about twelve seconds max to put my > >bike on its centerstand. > > When going into the quicky mart, that's a pain. It only takes a > fraction > of that to use the sidestand. And since the engine is already warmed > up, > there's no need to worry about starting it on the centerstand when I > come > out. > > And it only takes me 11 seconds to put my bike on the centrestand:p > > > > ``` > (o o) > *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* > |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| > |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| > *--------------------------oooO------------* > |__||__| > || || > ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 23 08:52:32 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA11473; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 08:52:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA01164; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 08:52:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA04328; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 08:52:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.02c) id A070492016E; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 08:51:44 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980123082010.009dee40@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 08:20:10 -0500 To: dc-cycle From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Centerstands was RE: Batteries In-Reply-To: References: <01BD2764.EDFAEE60.linda.tanner@mci.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Of course, the hard part is getting it OFF the c-stand. ;^) No, no ... that's the fun part! After tanking up with gas, I straddle the bike and pull the front end up and back. The rear tire contacts the ground then the bike bounces forward, aided by my vigorous push on the handlebars. I press the starter button as the centerstand clanks up into position, and the engine starts with that nice touch-of-the-button feeling of a warm engine. Ah, the little pleasures in life. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 23 08:52:32 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA11474; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 08:52:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA01162; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 08:52:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA04324; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 08:52:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.02c) id A06F492016E; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 08:51:43 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980123081137.00a089d0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 08:11:37 -0500 To: "Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Centerstands was RE: Batteries In-Reply-To: <01BD2764.EDFAEE60.linda.tanner@mci.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 06:38 PM 1/22/98 -0500, Linda Tanner wrote: >Well I haven't managed it at all yet. In fact in an attempt to get it up >on the centerstand last Sunday, I dropped it (again). That is what has >prompted my questions about plastic repair. Next time I'm around some >bikers, I'm going to get youse guys (gender non-specific term) to spot me >while I try again - and give me tips on my technique. Getting a bike up on a centerstand is a combination of balance, timing, and pulling in just the right spot. Stand beside the bike, left hand on the handlegrip, right hand on the bike's frame or handle or whatever's there. With your right foot, press down the centerstand tang until you feel BOTH centerstand feet touch the ground. Be sure both centerstand feet are on the ground. Put ALL your weight on the centerstand tang while pulling back with your left hand and lifting while pulling back with your right hand. Sometimes it helps to let the bike roll backward a couple inches to build momentum before stabbing the centerstand into the ground and putting all your weight on the tang (with your right foot). This technique works very well for me, launching my 750 up onto the centerstand so fast it bounces. It works even when the bike is loaded down for touring/camping. It's all in the technique, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 23 08:52:33 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA11475; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 08:52:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA01159; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 08:52:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA04321; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 08:52:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.02c) id A06E492016E; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 08:51:42 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980123075431.009fde30@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 07:54:31 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Plastic Repair In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.1.32.19980122095353.009f2c90@mail.toward.com> <3.0.1.32.19980121074147.0091caf0@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 03:32 PM 1/22/98 -0500, Alan Lapp wrote: >>I don't know the chemistry involved, but Three Bond sells Primer (clear >>smelly liquid) with their plastic repair kit. The primer is labeled "PE/PP >>Primer" (as I recall). >> >>Any plastics experts know what this kind of primer does? >> >>Chris Norloff > >In real life, I'm not a plastics expert, but play one on local access cable. > >My guess would be that it is either a cleaner, much like the plastic >cleaner used when working with PVC plumbing, which is also a clear smelly >liquid, (in which case, primer would technically be a misnomer) or, a mild >solvent which slightly disolves the plastic to create a receptive area for >chemical bonding. That sounds like it. The Three Bond "PE/PP Primer" does evaporate, so it prepares the glue site, and does not remain like a paint primer. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 23 08:52:46 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA11487; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 08:52:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA01192; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 08:52:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA04336; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 08:52:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.02c) id A06C492016E; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 08:51:43 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980123081545.00a0b300@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 08:15:45 -0500 To: "Gil M. Nissley" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: I think I saw OJ! In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:36 AM 1/23/98 +45722824, Gil M. Nissley wrote: >On Tue, 20 Jan 1998, Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN wrote: >> To all you Marylanders I was at the Geek, I mean computer show on >> Saturday at Frederick and on my return trip back down I-270 saw >> Maryland's latest disguise. Yep, it was a full sized white Ford Bronco >> pulling over speeders. Keep an eye out. > > Last summer on the MD side of the beltway I saw an old GMC van going >the other way with flashers/siren going.It was brownish and looked like >it had been a custom from the 70's.Wouldn't have given it a second look >otherwise. Must've been the A-Team. :-) Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 23 09:04:10 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA11620; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 09:04:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA01707; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 09:04:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA04538; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 09:04:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id JAA19014; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 09:03:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid02.mcit.com [166.37.221.14]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id JAA29535; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 09:03:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19980123140328.VCVQ28757@[166.41.242.141]>; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 08:03:28 -0600 Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 09:02 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: Chris Norloff CC: dc-cycle Subject: Re: Centerstands was RE: Batteries X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980123140328.VCVQ28757@[166.41.242.141]> >>Of course, the hard part is getting it OFF the c-stand. ;^) > >No, no ... that's the fun part! > >After tanking up with gas, I straddle the bike and pull the front end up >and back. The rear tire contacts the ground then the bike bounces forward, >aided by my vigorous push on the handlebars. I press the starter button as >the centerstand clanks up into position, and the engine starts with that >nice touch-of-the-button feeling of a warm engine. > >Ah, the little pleasures in life. >Chris Norloff An even more impressive display, and quite satisfying experience, is to gas up, start the motor and click into gear, then rock forward off of the c-stand, riding off. Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 23 09:12:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA11733; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 09:12:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA01912; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 09:12:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA04676; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 09:12:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.102] (unverified [207.226.128.102]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 09:17:24 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Batteries Date: Fri, 23 Jan 98 09:12:28 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Gil M. Nissley" , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > Wrong.Depends on the bike.Harleys(and those bikes w/Harley engines) >_need_ to be properly warmed up or else the cylinder base gaskets >will leak.I've seen big singles which had the same prob with their >head gaskets. We're talking about real bikes here. Not big bore noise makers. :) -George From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 23 09:19:05 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA11846; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 09:19:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA01986; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 09:18:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA04846; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 09:18:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id JAA24186; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 09:18:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (nmta2.mcit.com [166.37.172.3]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id JAA07152; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 09:18:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19980123141823.QOJI6587@[166.41.242.141]>; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 09:18:23 -0500 Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 09:18 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: Chris Norloff CC: "Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: Re: Centerstands was RE: Batteries X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980123141823.QOJI6587@[166.41.242.141]> Chris Norloff wrote: >Stand beside the bike, left hand on the handlegrip, right hand on the >bike's frame or handle or whatever's there. With your right foot, press >down the centerstand tang until you feel BOTH centerstand feet touch the >ground. Be sure both centerstand feet are on the ground. Put ALL your >weight on the centerstand tang while pulling back with your left hand and >lifting while pulling back with your right hand. Sometimes it helps to let >the bike roll backward a couple inches to build momentum before stabbing ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >the centerstand into the ground and putting all your weight on the tang >(with your right foot). Linda, this may be one thing you are not doing, and it can be awkward if your having trouble with the more conventional approach. The c-stand contact feet are curved in the front as a design feature so the bike can roll backward a little before hopping up on the flat spots. Your hands are where they should be, left on handlebar grip, right on frame/peg/whatsit, right ball of foot on the tang with no-weight yet. Balance bike after the c-stand touches both contacts and with one motion, lift with right hand/arm and step up on the tang. This should roll the bike up onto the flats of the c-stand. Practice now, before you start any plastic surgery. That's all it is, practice. You might be a little intimidated by the balancing act prior to lifting the bike. That's why I'm suggesting practicing this motion before you start rolling the bike back some first, as Chris suggests. BTW, wanna go to H&H tommorrow? I need another part (t-signal stem). Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 23 09:24:40 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA11883; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 09:24:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA02175; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 09:24:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA04948; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 09:24:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id JAA26329 for ; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 09:24:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid02.mcit.com [166.37.221.14]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id JAA21023 for ; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 09:24:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19980123142401.VEOH28757@[166.41.242.141]> for ; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 08:24:01 -0600 Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 09:23 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: dc-cycles Subject: Any Rain Riders today? X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980123142401.VEOH28757@[166.41.242.141]> After last evenings reports of an inch of snow for this morning, and looking outside for confirmation, I got so excited that it didn't snow that I just HAD to ride in today. Had the report simply called for rain, I probably would have driven the rain bike. Yea, I know, I'm fucked up :p Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 23 09:35:58 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA12030; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 09:35:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA02329; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 09:35:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05163; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 09:35:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay2.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id JAA27178; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 09:35:49 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 09:34:26 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D39EADE@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'George Howell'" , Brian McCoy , "O'Brien, Jeannette" Cc: "'Collin T. Fagan'" , Jinn Sinn , DC Cycles Subject: RE: Weekend ride? Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 09:32:50 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Well, seeing as I ADORE your bike, I'll have to take you up on that when I get more experience!! : ) So, be ready.... - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: George Howell [SMTP:ghowell@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, January 22, 1998 10:23 PM > To: Brian McCoy; O'Brien, Jeannette > Cc: 'Collin T. Fagan'; Jinn Sinn; DC Cycles > Subject: RE: Weekend ride? > > Yeah, but if Jeanette lets me ride pillion, I'll let her use my bike. > > :) > > -George > > > >I'm the second volunteer.. > > > >On Thu, 22 Jan 1998, O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: > > > >> Hmmm, methinks when we have more experience, Marcy & I will have to > take > >> you up on that!! ; ) > >> > >> - Jeannette > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- > >> > From: Collin T. Fagan [SMTP:gixer@XXXXXX] > >> > Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 1998 10:06 PM > >> > To: Jinn Sinn > >> > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >> > Subject: Re: Weekend ride? > >> > > >> > Sounds fine to me......I'd be happy to be sitting behind the > likes of > >> > Jeanette and > >> > Marcy with my arms wrapped around them :) (only to hold on, of > course) > >> > CT > >> > > >> > Jinn Sinn wrote: > >> > > >> > > In a message dated 1/21/98 10:10:31 AM, Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX > wrote: > >> > > > >> > > <<><< May even bring a female along for the ride . >> > >> > > > > >> > > >Ahem! There may even be some FEMALES along DRIVING. *smack* :D > >> > > > >> > > No driving on a ride please. *whack* :-p>> > >> > > > >> > > oh my! please forgive my overwhelming ignorance! ;D I merely > meant > >> > to indicate > >> > > that we women would be the OPERATORS of some of the vehicles > present > >> > on this > >> > > RIDE (better?) In other words, that we, the women of the ride, > >> > intend to take > >> > > charge of these machine-beasts and whip them, along with all of > you, > >> > our love > >> > > slaves, into fine form, so ......... gentlemen.....start your > >> > grovelling! > >> > > MUAH HA H AH AH AH AHHAHAHAHAHHAHA ;D > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > _________________________________________ > >> > Collin and Penny Fagan > >> > LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard > >> > (202) 366-0067 (work) > >> > (703) 356-4279 (home) > >> > ICQ UIN: 435732 > >> > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ > >> > (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) > >> > > >> From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 23 09:44:01 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA12105; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 09:44:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA02417; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 09:43:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05399; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 09:43:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay2.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id JAA00055; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 09:43:47 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 09:42:23 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D39EAE2@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: DC Cycles Subject: RE: Weekend ride? Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 09:40:48 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Are we still on for Saturday if it rains? Last night the prediction was early rain, clearing by afternoon... - Jeannette From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 23 09:44:38 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA12113; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 09:44:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA02438; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 09:44:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05433; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 09:44:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from out2.ibm.net by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA14322; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 09:44:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from ibm.net (slip-32-100-120-93.oh.us.ibm.net [32.100.120.93]) by out2.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA99704 for ; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 14:44:24 GMT Message-ID: <34C8ADFF.B905076@ibm.net> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 09:49:35 -0500 From: "Robert W. Johnston" Reply-To: rjohns3@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Trash Talk about Real Bikes or Today's Homesick Biker' Rant Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit All, Since I'm up in Columbus and my baby is getting a new top end and brand spanking new Amal 930 Concentrics, I might as well rant about this issue: A real bike has a kickstart that works... A real bike can be riden with ones back upright... A real bike has a centerstand... A real bike marks its truff, just like a dog... A real bike has a sweet bass note to its exhaust... A real bike can get out of its own stink... A real bike doesn't come with more plastic than sheet metal... A real bike can be worked on with out a degree in electronics... A real bike has carborators ans points... A real bike doesn't need a battery to run... A real bike can corner better than its rider... A real bike isn't jade green, dayglow yellow or neon splattered... A real bike hasn't been raked, chopped or bastardized... A real bike doesn't have a small block Chevy V-8... A real bike hasn't been made since about 1982... If you scooter doesn't meet the above criteria, it may be a motorcycle, but it ain't a bike... So there... FYI rwj From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 23 09:57:24 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA12229; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 09:57:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA02776; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 09:57:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05708; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 09:57:16 -0500 (EST) From: WantA ZX6 Message-ID: <40eee0f3.34c8af86@aol.com> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 09:56:04 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Centerstands was RE: Batteries Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Its also easy if you have a passenger grab rail. Stand behind and to the left of the bike. Put right foot on the centerstand (only works if you have a sidestand too). Straighten the bike up from the rear and lift until the bike jumps on the stand. Well it worked great on my ol GS500. Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 23 10:03:44 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA12303; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 10:03:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA03024; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 10:03:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA05894; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 10:03:26 -0500 (EST) From: WantA ZX6 Message-ID: <2240c0f3.34c8afdd@aol.com> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 09:57:26 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Weekend ride? still? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Im still in there. Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 23 10:17:11 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA12513; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 10:17:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA03257; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 10:16:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06463; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 10:16:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from default ([12.68.75.232]) by mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA14965; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 15:16:22 +0000 Reply-To: "kevin thomas" From: "kevin thomas" To: "Linda Tanner" Cc: "dc-cycles" Subject: Re: Centerstands was RE: Batteries Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 10:13:08 -0500 Message-ID: <01bd2811$69deb500$e84b440c@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Linda-- All those guys telling you it's all in the technique have never had a girlfriend who rides. (No double entendres here) My ex could never put her 78 CB550K on the centerstand. No matter what technique we manly men showed her. When she got the 87 VFR, she was able to get it up, even though it weighs about the same as the 550K. She could put my 92 VFR on the stand easily, even though it weighs 60lbs more than the 87. Her 400 Bandit, at 40lbs less than the 87, practically flies onto the stand. When a smaller person, possibly with less upper body strength than the guys who designed the bike, is trying to use the centerstand, technique is virtually irrelevant. What matters is the stand design and the accessibility of a good place to grab with your right hand. As you might surmise, the 92 VFR and the Bandit kick butt in these departments, _especially_ in the hand-hold department. If you can't comfortably reach a good grab point, I wonder if you can use a piece of nylon webbing strap wrapped around a frame tube or something. A car seatbelt might be a good thing. I saw a demo of a small woman righting a downed GoldWing using a strap fashioned from a seatbelt. See ya Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 23 10:24:13 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA12596; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 10:24:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA03350; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 10:24:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from iconmail.bellatlantic.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06729; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 10:24:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from my-workstation (client196-127-111.bellatlantic.net [151.196.127.111]) by iconmail.bellatlantic.net (IConNet Sendmail) with SMTP id KAA29041 for ; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 10:24:15 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980123102245.00c70cc4@postoffice.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: true911@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 10:22:45 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mark E. Truelove" Subject: Directions for tomorrow? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Where's the ride, exactly? MET ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark E. Truelove (true@XXXXXX) http://www.clark.net/pub/pooh/ Polaris Technology Group http://www.angelfire.com/biz/polaristech/ Placement Specialists: SAP PeopleSoft Notes Fiber-Optics NT UNIX DBs ======================================================================= From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 23 10:31:53 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA12720; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 10:31:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA03508; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 10:31:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from server4.illuminet.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06970; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 10:31:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from illuminet.net (aln-63-182.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.182]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA28904; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 10:31:46 -0500 Message-ID: <34C8B79A.E4F20385@illuminet.net> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 10:30:34 -0500 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Todd Peer CC: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Any Rain Riders today? References: <19980123142401.VEOH28757@[166.41.242.141]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was on the HOV lanes northbound on I95 at about 8:30, and an ST1100 went by as I got off to go west on the beltway toward Tyson's, so I guess that means there's at least two others. I rode 31 miles in about 1 hour 15 minutes this morning. My new Aerostich with the $350 Thinsulate option kept me warm enough that I didn't have to turn the electrics on. It did leak around the collar and in the crotch, but even though I was wet, I was still able to stay warm. My gloves got very wet. I wear Widder electric gloves with a set of nylon overmittens from REI. REI says the overmittens are waterproof; they aren't. I also got a new pair of Acme Wolverine boots. The boots have Goretex and Thinsulate and I treated them with some stuff that is greasy, almost like saddle soap, and supposed to make them even more water resistant. The boots worked great. My feet stayed dry and warm. At times the rain was hard enough that the water leaked in over the top of the face shield. It doesn't do that unless I'm nearly stopped in very heavy rain. Before now, that has only happened in Thunderstorms at stoplights. Since I didn't have to turn the electrics on, I think I could ride all day in this without getting cold. I would be very wet at the end of the ride though. Todd, what time do you plan to be at H&H tomorrow, I can go there, it doesn't count as a ride if I'm going to get parts. Leon. Todd Peer wrote: > After last evenings reports of an inch of snow for this morning, and > looking outside for confirmation, I got so excited that it didn't snow > that I just HAD to ride in today. Had the report simply called for > rain, I probably would have driven the rain bike. Yea, I know, I'm > fucked up :p > > Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 23 10:39:24 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA12844; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 10:39:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA03791; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 10:39:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07322; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 10:39:16 -0500 (EST) Received: by hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD27EA.C7F896F0@XXXXXX>; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 10:36:36 -0500 Message-ID: From: To: Subject: RE: Centerstands Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 10:36:34 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 56 TEXT True - could never get my Virago up on the center stand when I got it. I could pick it when it fell over but just could never get it on the center stand. Did everything Dale told me but to no avail. Don't think my Savage has a center stand - should probably look sometime. Tracy Horstman '87 Suzuki Savage 650 "There are 2 types of computer users in the world: Those that have lost data and those that are going to....." ---------- From: kevin thomas[SMTP:klthomas@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, January 23, 1998 10:13 AM To: Linda Tanner Cc: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Centerstands was RE: Batteries Linda-- All those guys telling you it's all in the technique have never had a girlfriend who rides. (No double entendres here) My ex could never put her 78 CB550K on the centerstand. No matter what technique we manly men showed her. When she got the 87 VFR, she was able to get it up, even though it weighs about the same as the 550K. She could put my 92 VFR on the stand easily, even though it weighs 60lbs more than the 87. Her 400 Bandit, at 40lbs less than the 87, practically flies onto the stand. When a smaller person, possibly with less upper body strength than the guys who designed the bike, is trying to use the centerstand, technique is virtually irrelevant. What matters is the stand design and the accessibility of a good place to grab with your right hand. As you might surmise, the 92 VFR and the Bandit kick butt in these departments, _especially_ in the hand-hold department. If you can't comfortably reach a good grab point, I wonder if you can use a piece of nylon webbing strap wrapped around a frame tube or something. A car seatbelt might be a good thing. I saw a demo of a small woman righting a downed GoldWing using a strap fashioned from a seatbelt. See ya Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 23 10:39:40 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA12850; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 10:39:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA03806; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 10:39:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07340; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 10:39:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay2.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id KAA18055; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 10:39:30 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 10:36:05 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D3C1B04@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Mark E. Truelove'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Directions for tomorrow? Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 10:34:31 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Hey, Brian, since you're out in MD, can you give our Marylanders directions? I'm not really good at that sort of thing... - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark E. Truelove [SMTP:true@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, January 23, 1998 10:23 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Directions for tomorrow? > > > Where's the ride, exactly? > > MET > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > - > Mark E. Truelove (true@XXXXXX) > http://www.clark.net/pub/pooh/ > Polaris Technology Group > http://www.angelfire.com/biz/polaristech/ > Placement Specialists: SAP PeopleSoft Notes Fiber-Optics NT UNIX > DBs > ====================================================================== > = From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 23 10:44:07 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA12998; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 10:44:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA03905; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 10:44:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07652; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 10:43:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id JAA28961; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 09:43:22 -0600 (CST) Received: from nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (nmta2.mcit.com [166.37.172.3]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id JAA18993; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 09:43:22 -0600 (CST) Received: from LJTanner.mcit.com ([166.32.84.59]) by nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19980123154321.RPMQ6587@XXXXXX>; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 10:43:21 -0500 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 10:43:21 -0500 Message-ID: <01BD27EB.B8F7FE60.linda.tanner@mci.com> From: Linda Tanner To: "'sbeck@XXXXXX'" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: Plastic Repair Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 10:43:19 -0500 Organization: MCI Telecommunications X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What a good idea!! Can I include some feathers?? LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze -----Original Message----- From: sbeck@XXXXXX [SMTP:sbeck@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, January 23, 1998 7:30 AM To: linda.tanner@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Plastic Repair >So the question is, what kind of plastic is the fairing on my F3. Broken plastic! Ok Linda, I'll hold Todd down, and you can coat him with fiberglass and resin. 8-) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 23 10:46:42 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA13025; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 10:46:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA04019; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 10:46:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from sundown.northgrum.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07767; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 10:46:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from puff.northgrum.com (puff.northgrum.com [157.127.103.139]) by sundown.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id HAA23353 for ; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 07:46:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from xcgca011.northgrum.com ([157.127.103.101]) by puff.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id HAA23408 for ; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 07:46:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by XCGCA011 with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 07:46:29 -0800 Message-ID: <11D743514607D011A15500805FEA3464C950BC@xcgva001.grumman.com> From: "Meier, Christopher" To: Linda Tanner , "'kevin thomas'" Cc: dc-cycles Subject: RE: Centerstands was RE: Batteries Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 07:45:46 -0800 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain > ---------- > From: kevin thomas[SMTP:klthomas@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, January 23, 1998 10:13 AM > To: Linda Tanner > Cc: dc-cycles > Subject: Re: Centerstands was RE: Batteries > > Linda-- > > All those guys telling you it's all in the technique have never had a > girlfriend who rides. (No double entendres here) > My RF has no centerstand, and I miss it for maintenance ... but that's about it. On my two previous bikes, I never regularly parked them on the centerstand, just used it for maintenance. I have always been told that a bike is _far_ more stable and thus safe, parked on it's *sidestand* due to the fact that the slight lean creates a triangular position, and makes the bike less likely to tip over or slide around. Plus a bike is inherently more stable when it has both feet (tires) on the ground, then when on a sidestand with one in the air. Comments??? > If you can't comfortably reach a good grab point, I wonder if you can > use a > piece of nylon webbing strap wrapped around a frame tube or something. > A > car seatbelt might be a good thing. I saw a demo of a small woman > righting > a downed GoldWing using a strap fashioned from a seatbelt. > I have seen downed Goldwings righted by "driving them" back to upright in a circular motion. By a woman. Interesting technique and works well. Later, chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 23 10:55:08 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA13150; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 10:55:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA04411; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 10:54:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08084; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 10:54:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from server4.illuminet.net by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA16524; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 10:54:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from illuminet.net (aln-63-182.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.182]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA29529; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 10:55:00 -0500 Message-ID: <34C8BD0F.84AEE866@illuminet.net> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 10:53:51 -0500 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rjohns3@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Trash Talk about Real Bikes or Today's Homesick Biker' Rant References: <34C8ADFF.B905076@ibm.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Interesting . . . the lawn tractor is more of a bike than the motorcycle, and the moped comes in right behind the motorcycle - (it can't corner as well as the other two) . Leon. Robert W. Johnston wrote: > All, > > Since I'm up in Columbus and my baby is getting a new top end and brand > spanking new Amal 930 Concentrics, I might as well rant about this > issue: > > A real bike has a kickstart that works... > A real bike can be riden with ones back upright... > A real bike has a centerstand... > A real bike marks its truff, just like a dog... > A real bike has a sweet bass note to its exhaust > A real bike can get out of its own stink... > A real bike doesn't come with more plastic than sheet metal... > A real bike can be worked on with out a degree in electronics... > A real bike has carborators ans points... > A real bike doesn't need a battery to run... > A real bike can corner better than its rider... > A real bike isn't jade green, dayglow yellow or neon splattered... > A real bike hasn't been raked, chopped or bastardized... > A real bike doesn't have a small block Chevy V-8... > A real bike hasn't been made since about 1982... > > If you scooter doesn't meet the above criteria, it may be a motorcycle, > but it ain't a bike... > > So there... > > FYI > > rwj From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 23 11:01:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA13287; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 11:01:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA04715; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 11:01:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA08390; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 11:01:29 -0500 (EST) From: RDWOODJR Message-ID: <332f4518.34c8bdef@aol.com> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 10:57:32 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Centerstands was RE: Batteries Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Kevin sez: << Linda-- All those guys telling you it's all in the technique have never had a girlfriend who rides. (No double entendres here) My ex could never put her 78 CB550K on the centerstand. No matter what technique we manly men showed her. When she got the 87 VFR, she was able to get it up, even though it weighs about the same as the 550K. She could put my 92 VFR on the stand easily, even though it weighs 60lbs more than the 87. Her 400 Bandit, at 40lbs less than the 87, practically flies onto the stand. >> Center stand design has mostly been improved through the years I believe. If your bike even comes with one. My 1974 Suzuki T500 was a pain. My 1975 Kawasaki Z1B 900 was a pain. My 1976 Kawasaki KZ900 was a pain. My 1977 Kawasaki KZ1000 was a pain. My first 1978 Kasawaki KZ1000 was a pain. My second '78 had no center stand, the hand-bend-by-Pops Yoshimura exhaust (that didn't even come with a baffle) wouldn't allow it. My 1979 Kawasaki KZ1000ST was a pain. My 1982 Kawasaki KZ750 wasn't too bad. My 1983 Honda VF750S Sabre was easy. My 1983 Kawasaki GPZ1100 had no center stand, SuperTrapp exhaust prevented it. My 1984 Yamaha XV1000 was easy. My 1984 GL1200I Goldwing was predictably an effort. My 1984 GL1200A, ditto. My 1987 ZG1000 Concours was more difficult than neccessary. My 1987 VF700C Magna didn't come with one. My 1992 Sportster, right, HD's never developed the technology! My 1994 Honda VFR750C Magna also didn't come with one. So, when I bought the HD and the Magna, I bought a "c" lift and dolly for a couple of hundred dollars so I could lube the chains and work on them off the floor. Neither one fit on the lift. But my Polaris atv does. Richard Wood From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 23 11:03:25 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA13307; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 11:03:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA04946; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 11:03:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo02.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA08456; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 11:03:17 -0500 (EST) From: RDWOODJR Message-ID: <180e1c0c.34c8bf1f@aol.com> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 11:02:37 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Any Rain Riders today? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) << At times the rain was hard enough that the water leaked in over the top of the face shield. It doesn't do that unless I'm nearly stopped in very heavy rain. Before now, that has only happened in Thunderstorms at stoplights. >> Leon, did you weatherstrip your helmet along the faceshield edge at the top? It always worked for me, but my new Shoei RF700 doesn't need it. Richard From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 23 11:10:09 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA13484; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 11:10:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA05433; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 11:10:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA08794; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 11:09:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id KAA11257; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 10:09:28 -0600 (CST) Received: from imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid02.mcit.com [166.37.221.14]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id KAA28054; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 10:09:27 -0600 (CST) Received: from mci.com ([166.32.114.127]) by imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with ESMTP id <19980123160926.VQZX28757@XXXXXX>; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 10:09:26 -0600 Message-ID: <34C8C0AE.C20E8F2@mci.com> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 11:09:18 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Reply-To: Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Leon Begeman CC: Todd Peer , dc-cycles , Linda.Tanner@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Any Rain Riders today? References: <19980123142401.VEOH28757@[166.41.242.141]> <34C8B79A.E4F20385@illuminet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well hey, if everyone is going to H&H tomorrow morning I may as well show up and say 'Hi!'. Besides, I need some parts too. It's a weird feeling when you are in a motorcycle junk, err, sorry, salvage yard like that. All these once beatiful, shiny, magnificent bikes now reduced to mangled, neglected, rusting hunks of metal. Each and every one of those bikes was once someone's pride and joy, and now they just sit and offer the occasional unmangled spare part to some other more fortunate sister bike. Cool and yet sad in a way. I always come away from there every time more and more determined to keep all my bikes forever. Dale (the Horkster) 1978 Kawasaki KZ1000 LTD 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 Leon asked Todd: > Todd, what time do you plan to be at H&H tomorrow, I can go there, it > doesn't count as a ride if I'm going to get parts. > > Leon. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 23 11:15:17 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA13532; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 11:15:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA05755; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 11:15:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA08991; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 11:15:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id KAA13936 for ; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 10:14:35 -0600 (CST) Received: from nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (nmta2.mcit.com [166.37.172.3]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id LAA04944 for ; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 11:14:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mci.com ([166.32.114.127]) by nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with ESMTP id <19980123161434.SAFH6587@XXXXXX> for ; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 11:14:34 -0500 Message-ID: <34C8C1E2.391098C2@mci.com> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 11:14:26 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Reply-To: Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles List Subject: Re: Centerstands was RE: Batteries References: <11D743514607D011A15500805FEA3464C950BC@xcgva001.grumman.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Christopher Meier wrote: > I have always been told that a bike is _far_ more stable and thus safe, > parked on it's *sidestand* due to the fact that the slight lean creates > a triangular position, and makes the bike less likely to tip over or > slide around. Plus a bike is inherently more stable when it has both > feet (tires) on the ground, then when on a sidestand with one in the > air. > > Comments??? You are correct, Sir! Dale (the Horkster) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 23 11:39:35 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA13736; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 11:39:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07093; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 11:39:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA09837; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 11:39:25 -0500 (EST) From: Bmwbobs2 Message-ID: <6f0b3fdd.34c8c563@aol.com> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 11:29:20 EST To: cfagan@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, hgg@XXXXXX, robertst@XXXXXX, ph@XXXXXX, showell@XXXXXX, louis@XXXXXX, jcm@XXXXXX, hgg@XXXXXX Cc: Bmwbobs@XXXXXX Subject: Tech Sessions at Bob's BMW Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Bob's BMW is thinking about holding a series of Saturday tech sessions at our facility covering a myriad of topics on Airheads, Oilheads, and K bikes. These sessions will be an opportunity for riders to learn advanced maintenance skills, the same way professional technicians are taught at the BMW service school. The seminars would be open to everyone and anyone interested in learning more about the mechanical/electrical nature of their bikes. Before scheduling dates/times, etc, I would first like to get an appreciation for how many people might be interested in attending, and what you would like to see covered. Also, a modest fee will be charged. Any feedback about this idea is welcomed, and I would encourage you to please spread the word...the more interest this idea generates, the more likely we will turn it into a reality. TIA Best regards, ```````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````` Bob Henig BMWBobs@XXXXXX 10630-Y Riggs Hill Road, Jessup, MD 20794 Parts: 301-924-5155 Sales: 301-497-6192 Service: 301-497-8949 FAX: 301-776-2338 ````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````` From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 23 11:48:37 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA13934; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 11:48:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07870; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 11:48:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA10217; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 11:48:30 -0500 (EST) From: WantA ZX6 Message-ID: <304aab0c.34c8c967@aol.com> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 11:46:29 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Directions for tomorrow? Answer here Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) In a message dated 98-01-23 10:30:49 EST, you write: << Where's the ride, exactly? >> It is on Rt1 in the Alexandria area. For all of you who came to the ride a few weeks ago that started at the Rite Aid it is very close. From MD, take the Beltway to the Fort Belvoir exit (Rt 1 South)right before (or after the Wilson Bridge), Follow Rt1 south for about 2 or 3 miles. You should pass a big shopping center