From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 1 15:33:23 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA02354; Thu, 1 Jan 1998 15:33:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA04876; Thu, 1 Jan 1998 15:32:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA22915; Thu, 1 Jan 1998 15:32:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.121] (unverified [207.226.128.121]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Thu, 01 Jan 1998 15:36:53 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: BMW Funduro Date: Thu, 1 Jan 98 15:32:31 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Karl Rosenbaum" , "Slawson, Kurt" , "dc-cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >The ST (strada) is >not going to be imported to the states in 98 (maybe they are not going to >make it anymore). Of course, anyone can make their own strada. Get the Funduro, put on the lowering kit, get the smaller screen, and change the tires. -George From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 1 15:33:23 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA02351; Thu, 1 Jan 1998 15:33:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA04872; Thu, 1 Jan 1998 15:32:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA22910; Thu, 1 Jan 1998 15:32:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.121] (unverified [207.226.128.121]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Thu, 01 Jan 1998 15:36:50 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: RE: argh.. Date: Thu, 1 Jan 98 15:32:29 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > Scares me that I'm going to be like these drivers around here. You keep >seeing people get away with being rude and crazy so you naturally want to >get away with it too. Wouldn't it be nice if it were the good drivers that >actually got ahead? I think I'm more than a bit different than the other drivers around here, yet on first observation to an outsider, I wouldn't be. I drive fast (not as fast as I used to) and think nothing of changing lanes to get around... I don't know... minivans stuck doing 55 in the left lane? Riding the roads is little short of war. I look out for the safety of myself and my vehicle first (hence the fact that I might do 50 in a loaded down truck on the same stretch of highway I'd do 75+ on the bike). Second is getting to my destination as quick as possible. All other considerations are secondary. I cruise as far to the right as I can (letting truly insane people zip along in the left lane, IOW, the way it is supposed to work) I think you are confusing good drivers with courteous drivers, two things that don't *always* go hand in hand. ``` (o o) *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| *--------------------------oooO------------* |__||__| || || ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 1 15:33:23 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA02355; Thu, 1 Jan 1998 15:33:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA04881; Thu, 1 Jan 1998 15:32:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA22919; Thu, 1 Jan 1998 15:32:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.121] (unverified [207.226.128.121]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Thu, 01 Jan 1998 15:36:54 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: RE: Polar Bear Run Date: Thu, 1 Jan 98 15:32:33 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Just wanted to wish all who are going on the PARR Polar Bear Run well and >I'll be thinking of all of you and wishing I could be freezing my butt off >with you. Ditto here. Plus I slept in late for a change. Soon, it's off to the parents house to start fettling the suspension on the Kawasaki in a nice heated garage (because we know there's not **it on TV today unless you worship on the holy alter of college sports) -George From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 1 15:33:24 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA02353; Thu, 1 Jan 1998 15:33:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA04883; Thu, 1 Jan 1998 15:32:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA22922; Thu, 1 Jan 1998 15:32:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.121] (unverified [207.226.128.121]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Thu, 01 Jan 1998 15:36:56 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: BMW Funduro Date: Thu, 1 Jan 98 15:32:35 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Slawson, Kurt" , "dc-cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > Has anyone out there had any experience with the BMW F650 (aka the >Funduro)? I'm not in the market to buy one---just curious. I looked them over before buying the R850R in October. I might switch from four cylinders to two, but not to one:) Seriously though, I've wanted to test ride one, but I was intent on a boxer twin, so I didn't get around to it. Since buying the R, every time I've been to the BMW shop, it's either been with not enough time to test ride anything, or with the girlfriend not wanting to stay around long enough:) It's a really neat bike, but I'd also have to ride the aprilia Pegaso (same bike, different marque) if I were in the market. ``` (o o) *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| *--------------------------oooO------------* |__||__| || || ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 1 20:18:45 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA04321; Thu, 1 Jan 1998 20:18:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA07178; Thu, 1 Jan 1998 20:18:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA25382; Thu, 1 Jan 1998 20:18:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from server4.illuminet.net by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA23267; Thu, 1 Jan 1998 20:18:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from mbegeman (cust046.quantico.illuminet.net [209.44.72.46]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA24503 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 1998 20:19:06 -0500 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19980101201738.0067cab4@illuminet.net> X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 20:17:38 +0000 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Leon Begeman Subject: PARR Polar Bear Route The 1998 PARR Polar Bear ride was great fun. I rode with Horkster, Chris Norloff and Jim Furlong. I met many people on the ride, Karl with his brown K-LT, and Tim Morrow on his VX800 are the only two I can recall from the list. I'm certain that I've left several of you out. Here is the route for the 1998 PARR Polar Bear ride. (Colin, are you out there somewhere?) Start at Loehmann's Plaza, Rt 50 just inside the Beltway. Miles Action Route Int. Miles 0. 0 South at Stop Graham Rd 0.7 0.7 Right at Light Annandale Rd 1.1 1.8 Straight at Light Hummer Rd. 1.1 2.9 Right at Light 236 West 1.5 4.4 Left at Light Wakefield Chapel Rd 1.9 6.3 Right at Light Braddock Rd 0.9 7.2 Left at Light Burke Lake Rd 3.7 10.9 Straight at Light Burke Lake Rd 1.2 12.1 Straight at Light Clifton Rd 1.6 13.7 Straight at Stop Clifton Rd 1.9 15.6 Bear Left Clifton Rd 1.3 16.9 Right at Stop 645 (Main St.) 0.3 17.2 Left Clifton Rd 0.7 17.9 Left Compton Rd (no sign) 1.9 19.8 Right at Stop Compton Rd 1.9 21.7 Straight at Light Compton Rd 0.1 21.8 Then Right Compton Rd 2.8 24.6 Sharp Right Bull Run Post Office Rd 1.1 25.7 Left at Stop Lee hwy 7.3 33.0 Right into Wendy's Parking Lot Reset Odometer 0.0 Right 29 West (South) 2.1 2.1 Right 703 (Old Carolina Rd) 2.0 4.1 Left at Stop Washington St. (55W) 0.5 9.7 Left 674 Georgetown Rd* 0.5 10.2 Straight 628 6.0 16.2 Left 605 Arlie Rd 3.4 19.6 Right at Stop 15/29 South 0.3 19.9 Left at Light 605 (Dumfries Rd) 3.9 23.8 Left 602 North 3.7 27.5 Right at Stop 215 6.5 34.0 Left at Light 28 North 2.1 36.1 Left at Light Godwin Dr 2.0 38.1 Right at Light 234 South 0.7 38.8 Left at Light Digges Rd 0.1 Then Left into Kenny Rogers Roasters' Lot To return to Falls Church, you can go either direction on Sudley Road and return to I-66 East. If you continue south, go straight on Sudley Road to 28 North, if northbound, 234 connects with I-66 *At 9.1 miles you can turn left onto 628 and enjoy a short stretch of unpaved road. (you could turn Right at that same intersection and enjoy several miles of Bust Head Road, one of my favorite unpaved roads in the area.) Leon. Leon Begeman (703) 590-9073 13391 Packard Dr., Dale City, VA 22193 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 1 21:29:51 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA04828; Thu, 1 Jan 1998 21:29:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA07781; Thu, 1 Jan 1998 21:29:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA25948; Thu, 1 Jan 1998 21:29:33 -0500 (EST) From: WantA ZX6 Message-ID: <9e930f0d.34ac4fda@aol.com> Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 21:24:24 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Saturday ride maybe? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) I was wondering if anyone was interested in going for an impromtu ride on Saturday? The weather is supposed to be gorgeous. And FYI, by saying this I am not necessarily volunteering to lead. Never done it before and not even sure where to go. Just throwing the idea out. If anyone is interested let me know! Jack TL1000 (green lizard) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 1 23:49:26 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA05948; Thu, 1 Jan 1998 23:49:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA08549; Thu, 1 Jan 1998 23:49:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA27432; Thu, 1 Jan 1998 23:49:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.141] (unverified [207.226.128.141]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Thu, 01 Jan 1998 23:53:39 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: RE: argh.. Date: Thu, 1 Jan 98 23:49:17 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Alan Lapp" , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >I'm not one to give people the benefit of the doubt, but I can say that >since I have rather large feet, and prefer sports cars, that it is possible >to inadvertently depress the brake pedal just enough to activate the brake >lights.... No points there. I'm 6'1", size 13 shoes, and drive a Miata. Haven't missed the clutch or inadvertantly hit the brakes in 10,000 miles. ``` (o o) *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| *--------------------------oooO------------* |__||__| || || ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 2 02:27:55 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA07429; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 02:27:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA12859; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 02:27:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA01449; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 02:27:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.107] (unverified [207.226.128.107]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Fri, 02 Jan 1998 02:32:12 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Saturday ride maybe? Date: Fri, 2 Jan 98 02:27:44 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "WantA ZX6" , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" I'm up for a ride. Plus, my girlfriend's been bugging for a ride since we looked at the Xmas lights in DC. (And she's not sick this time.) So, unless I head down to Morton's to pick up accessory socket number 2 (an auxilliary one, not a replacement. I want electrics also:) ``` (o o) *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| *--------------------------oooO------------* |__||__| || || ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 2 02:27:57 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA07434; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 02:27:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA12863; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 02:27:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA01453; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 02:27:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA24846; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 02:27:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.107] (unverified [207.226.128.107]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Fri, 02 Jan 1998 02:32:13 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: PARR Polar Bear Route Date: Fri, 2 Jan 98 02:27:45 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Leon Begeman" , Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Tim Morrow on his VX800 VX800=Marauder, right? -George From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 2 05:19:53 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id FAA08639; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 05:19:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id FAA13639; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 05:19:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id FAA02833; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 05:19:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.erols.com by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id FAA26854; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 05:19:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from krosenba.erols.com (man-as1s53.erols.com [207.172.73.53]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id FAA23510; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 05:23:12 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980102051742.007c4100@pop.erols.com> X-Sender: krosenba@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 05:17:42 -0500 To: Leon Begeman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Karl Rosenbaum Subject: Re: PARR Polar Bear Route In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19980101201738.0067cab4@illuminet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:17 PM 01/01/1998 +0000, Leon Begeman wrote: >The 1998 PARR Polar Bear ride was great fun. I rode with Horkster, Chris >Norloff and Jim Furlong. I met many people on the ride, Karl with his brown >K-LT, and Tim Morrow on his VX800 are the only two I can recall from the >list. I'm certain that I've left several of you out. Yep I enjoyed it also. Was real glad that the cold of mine that has been kicking my butt was a little better! Glad that I picked up my new overpants also. The ride was great - despite one thing. I left my wallet at the Sign of the Whale. Did not notice that I was missing it until the half-way point. Called my wife and found out that one of the riders would return it to me at the stop point in Manassas. BJ Frank, was rolling up as I did and she had it. Now if this had happened during any other event (other than a MC ride) I doubt that I would have gotten it back (or at least as quickly as I did). Don't know if BJ is on the list, but I would like to thank her once again. I was talking to one of the PARR organizers after the run and found out that there were about 160 people that signed up; but there was no where near that many at the end. Karl Rosenbaum 88 BMW K100LT "grandpa" Woodbridge, VA http://www.erols.com/krosenba From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 2 08:40:19 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA09603; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 08:40:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA14883; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 08:40:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA03874; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 08:40:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from server4.illuminet.net by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA27232; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 08:40:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from illuminet.net (aln-63-192.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.192]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id IAA06026; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 08:40:59 -0500 Message-ID: <34ACEE11.208188C7@illuminet.net> Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 08:39:29 -0500 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Karl Rosenbaum CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: PARR Polar Bear Route References: <3.0.5.32.19980102051742.007c4100@pop.erols.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Great story on the wallet! I think bikers are more likely (IMHO) to treat you right than almost any other identifiable group of people. On my ride yesterday, I lost the cord between my helmet and radio (it wasn't being used at the time) and somebody picked it up and asked who lost it at the first stop at Wendy's. I got it back almost as soon as I realized I had lost it. To be fair to the people who didn't finish the ride -- it was very cold yesterday. As Polar Bear Rides go, that was one of the colder ones, there have been a lot of them that were warmer than yesterday. The roads were good, except for one patch of ice that covered the entire lane on 29 near the Manassas Battlefield. Leon. Karl Rosenbaum wrote: > At 08:17 PM 01/01/1998 +0000, Leon Begeman wrote: > >The 1998 PARR Polar Bear ride was great fun. I rode with Horkster, Chris > >Norloff and Jim Furlong. I met many people on the ride, Karl with his brown > >K-LT, and Tim Morrow on his VX800 are the only two I can recall from the > >list. I'm certain that I've left several of you out. > > Yep I enjoyed it also. Was real glad that the cold of mine that has been > kicking my butt was a little better! Glad that I picked up my new > overpants also. > > The ride was great - despite one thing. I left my wallet at the Sign of > the Whale. Did not notice that I was missing it until the half-way point. > Called my wife and found out that one of the riders would return it to me > at the stop point in Manassas. BJ Frank, was rolling up as I did and she > had it. Now if this had happened during any other event (other than a MC > ride) I doubt that I would have gotten it back (or at least as quickly as I > did). Don't know if BJ is on the list, but I would like to thank her once > again. > > I was talking to one of the PARR organizers after the run and found out > that there were about 160 people that signed up; but there was no where > near that many at the end. > > Karl Rosenbaum > 88 BMW K100LT "grandpa" > Woodbridge, VA > http://www.erols.com/krosenba From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 2 09:27:28 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA09924; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 09:27:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA15202; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 09:27:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA04206; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 09:27:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA26021; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 09:27:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id JAA29787 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 09:26:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid02.mcit.com [166.37.221.14]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id JAA11456 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 09:26:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from mci.com ([166.32.114.127]) by imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with ESMTP id <19980102142647.GBIG28757@XXXXXX> for ; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 08:26:47 -0600 Message-ID: <34ACF927.F2BD3331@mci.com> Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 09:26:47 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Reply-To: Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: PARR Polar Bear Route References: <3.0.5.32.19980102051742.007c4100@pop.erols.com> <34ACEE11.208188C7@illuminet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Leon Begeman wrote: > <> > The roads were good, except for one patch of ice that covered the entire > lane on 29 near the Manassas Battlefield. You aren't kidding. Good thing there was no traffic coming the other way, as I was able to follow Chris Norloff's lead and just swing over into the other lane to avoid it. Nasty stuff! I also had a great time on the Run. I was pretty well wiped out after I got home (something about a silly new year celebration the night before inexplicably kept me up late :-) This was the first time that temps in the mid 30's actually felt nice! Compared to the 18 degrees or so when I left the house that morning. > > > Leon. > > Karl Rosenbaum wrote: > > > <> Dale (the Horkster) 1978 Kawasaki KZ1000 LTD 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 2 09:33:14 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA09993; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 09:33:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA15247; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 09:33:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from zip1.ziplink.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA04264; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 09:33:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (holm@localhost) by zip1.ziplink.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA29678 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 09:33:47 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 09:33:47 -0500 (EST) From: Julie Holm To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Testing and Hello Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I've just subscribed, and I am testing out if my message makes it. Hello all! --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Julie Holm (ENTP)| DoD #1604 AMA#397939 UKMC# 0001 VOC# 4672 holm@XXXXXX | 1985 Virago 700 "Maureen" | I'm home at http://www.ziplink.net/~holm NGG Webmistress | Remember the PINK PAGES are always changing (Just and Armourer | like a Nasty Girlie's mind!) | NGG home page http://www.ziplink.net/~holm/ngg/ngg.html --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 2 09:58:55 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA10580; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 09:58:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA15339; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 09:58:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA04981; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 09:58:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from default ([12.68.76.210]) by mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA25300; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 14:58:05 +0000 Reply-To: From: "kevin thomas" To: "George Howell" , "WantA ZX6" , "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: Saturday ride maybe? Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 09:55:12 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19980102145803.AAA25300@default> I could maybe go for a ride! Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 2 10:22:56 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA10867; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 10:22:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA15532; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 10:22:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.clark.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA05317; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 10:22:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from clark.net (louis@XXXXXX [168.143.0.7]) by mail.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA01990; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 10:22:47 -0500 (EST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Received: (from louis@localhost) by clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA25304; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 10:22:46 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199801021522.KAA25304@clark.net> Subject: Re: Testing and Hello To: holm@XXXXXX (Julie Holm) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 10:22:45 -0500 (EST) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) In-Reply-To: from "Julie Holm" at Jan 2, 98 09:33:47 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24alpha3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Oh No!!! The NGG is invading DC-Cycles!! Run for cover!!! Errr, sorry, what I meant to say was Hey, welcome!! Nice to have you with us. Louis > I've just subscribed, and I am testing out if my message makes it. > > Hello all! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 2 10:32:59 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA11055; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 10:32:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA15575; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 10:32:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from zip1.ziplink.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA05516; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 10:32:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (holm@localhost) by zip1.ziplink.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA01973; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 10:33:29 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 10:33:27 -0500 (EST) From: Julie Holm To: "Louis F. Caplan" cc: DC-Cycles List Subject: Re: Testing and Hello In-Reply-To: <199801021522.KAA25304@clark.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Would you like some nice almond scones? Glad to be here. I did subscribe for a while, but stopped when life got really busy. Since I insured my bike this winter, it seemed appropriate to resubscribe. On Fri, 2 Jan 1998, Louis F. Caplan wrote: > > Oh No!!! The NGG is invading DC-Cycles!! Run for cover!!! > > Errr, sorry, what I meant to say was Hey, welcome!! Nice to have you > with us. > > Louis > > > > I've just subscribed, and I am testing out if my message makes it. > > > > Hello all! > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Julie Holm (ENTP)| DoD #1604 AMA#397939 UKMC# 0001 VOC# 4672 holm@XXXXXX | 1985 Virago 700 "Maureen" | I'm home at http://www.ziplink.net/~holm NGG Webmistress | Remember the PINK PAGES are always changing (Just and Armourer | like a Nasty Girlie's mind!) | NGG home page http://www.ziplink.net/~holm/ngg/ngg.html --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 2 11:27:47 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA12130; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 11:27:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA15998; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 11:27:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA06353; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 11:27:28 -0500 (EST) From: WantA ZX6 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 11:24:32 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Saturday ride maybe? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Well, thats 2 people interested. Anybody else? After all it IS supposed to be a very nice day tomorrow. Jack PS-or does anyone at least have any route suggestions? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 2 11:53:14 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA12479; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 11:53:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA16491; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 11:53:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA06685; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 11:53:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA26255; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 11:53:00 -0500 (EST) From: Jinn Sinn Message-ID: Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 11:43:54 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Newbie technical question Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) ok....I was wrong. I was bad. I know. I let my poor little CB-1 sit out in the cold for 2-3 weeks without starting it up. This is probably just my punishment. BUT, I jump started it (cause it needed it) and the ignition caught just fine, but then the engine wouldn't turn over. I tried this for about an hour. Then I figured I had probably flooded the thing so I waited an hour and tried it again, at which point the battery was already low on juice again. HELP! It has gas. It has oil. I had the ignition switch on ;D and the run switch on and the on/off switch on the tank on. I had the choke all the way open. I tried starting it and giving it no gas. I tried starting it and giving it LOTS of gas and I tried everything in between. Can anyone suggest what I'm missing here? Or is it just too damn cold? If you all can get me going I'll be riding on Saturday. HHHEEELLLPPP!!! Thank you! Marcy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 2 13:20:26 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA13614; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 13:20:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA18517; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 13:19:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA08114; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 13:19:58 -0500 (EST) From: WantA ZX6 Message-ID: <4d218806.34ad2f37@aol.com> Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 13:17:25 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Newbie technical question Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Its possible that your carbs are clogged. After sitting for awhile the left over gas in the carbs start to gelatinize.....almost like napalm. Id suggest a good carb cleaning. Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 2 13:28:58 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA13687; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 13:28:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA18621; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 13:28:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA08229; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 13:28:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from goliath.intelsol.com by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA27429; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 13:28:49 -0500 (EST) From: sbeck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.06 (346.8 3-18-1997)) id 85256580.0065FF9E ; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 13:34:05 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: JinnSinn@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256580.0065342A.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 13:34:00 -0400 Subject: Re: Newbie technical question Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Can anyone suggest what I'm missing here? Or is it just too damn cold? If you all can get me going I'll be riding on Saturday. HHHEEELLLPPP!!! Thank you! Your're right. It's just too damn cold. You should be able to get it started with a jump start from another vehicle. Also since it's getting a good deal warmer the next couple of days, it might just start on its own. Another alternative would be a can of starting fluid. A little squirt into the carbs can do wonders to get a reluctant engine started. And finally you have probably seen the discussion about keeping batteries charged with the help of a battery tender. Consider getting one of these to keep your battery up to snuff under any weather conditions. Steve Beck From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 2 13:35:43 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA13791; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 13:35:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA18673; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 13:35:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA08315; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 13:35:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA29474; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 13:35:33 -0500 (EST) Received: by hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD1782.EE73DD80@XXXXXX>; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 13:32:55 -0500 Message-ID: From: To: , Subject: RE: PARR Polar Bear Route Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 13:32:53 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 44 TEXT Dale - where were you the night before (New Year's Eve)? I thought that was you sitting on the couch watching The 5th Element with me? The only thing silly was the movie we were watching. Dale and I really know how to have fun! ---------- From: Dale Horstman[SMTP:Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, January 02, 1998 9:26 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: PARR Polar Bear Route Leon Begeman wrote: > <> > The roads were good, except for one patch of ice that covered the entire > lane on 29 near the Manassas Battlefield. You aren't kidding. Good thing there was no traffic coming the other way, as I was able to follow Chris Norloff's lead and just swing over into the other lane to avoid it. Nasty stuff! I also had a great time on the Run. I was pretty well wiped out after I got home (something about a silly new year celebration the night before inexplicably kept me up late :-) This was the first time that temps in the mid 30's actually felt nice! Compared to the 18 degrees or so when I left the house that morning. > > > Leon. > > Karl Rosenbaum wrote: > > > <> Dale (the Horkster) 1978 Kawasaki KZ1000 LTD 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 2 13:39:44 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA13873; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 13:39:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA18734; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 13:39:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from server4.illuminet.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA08369; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 13:39:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from illuminet.net (aln-63-192.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.192]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA13392; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 13:40:26 -0500 Message-ID: <34AD343F.D71F2789@illuminet.net> Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 13:38:56 -0500 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: WantA ZX6 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Newbie technical question References: <4d218806.34ad2f37@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit WantA ZX6 wrote: > Its possible that your carbs are clogged. After sitting for awhile the left > over gas in the carbs start to gelatinize.....almost like napalm. Id suggest > a good carb cleaning. That's possible, but not likely in only 3 weeks. Any easy check for that would be to drain the float bowls. There is a screw on the bottom of each of the carbs, sometimes the carbs have drain hoses that go down through the frame. Open each of them in turn and see if fuel flows out of the bowl to the ground. If it flows, and it smells like gasoline should, the fuel is probably ok. Old gasoline does not smell like fresh gasoline. I'd try cleaning or replacing the spark plugs first, sometimes when they get wet, they don't want to work. Leon. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 2 13:59:13 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA14415; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 13:59:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA19324; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 13:59:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA08779; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 13:59:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id MAA18332; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 12:55:09 -0600 (CST) Received: from imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid02.mcit.com [166.37.221.14]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id NAA13272; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 13:55:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19980102185508.GQEM28757@[166.41.242.141]>; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 12:55:08 -0600 Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 13:42 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: WantA ZX6 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Saturday ride maybe? X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980102185508.GQEM28757@[166.41.242.141]> When and where to meet. If it is really going to be nice as predicted, I'd like to get out and ride my CB750 a little bit. >Well, thats 2 people interested. Anybody else? After all it IS supposed to >be a very nice day tomorrow. > >Jack > >PS-or does anyone at least have any route suggestions? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 2 14:19:43 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA14691; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 14:19:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA19445; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 14:19:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA09051; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 14:19:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from enterprise.reliacom.com by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA27644; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 14:19:33 -0500 (EST) Received: by enterprise.reliacom.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 14:18:40 -0500 Message-ID: <61390AC07B6BD111AC6F006008A591100665@enterprise.reliacom.com> From: Scot Kight To: "'sbeck@XXXXXX '" , "'JinnSinn@XXXXXX '" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX '" Subject: RE: Newbie technical question Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 14:18:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Word of warning about the starter fluid. a SQUIRT, not a spray, or a blast. a small, little squirt. Unless of course, you like your pistons, and want to hang one on the wall, and dont want to bother with actually taking the heads off to get to them :> Oh, and yeah, jump start the bike. Its probably much to cold at the moment :< (though I guess its like 55 now) Scot 95 900SS/CR -----Original Message----- From: sbeck@XXXXXX To: JinnSinn@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Sent: 1/2/98 12:34 PM Subject: Re: Newbie technical question Can anyone suggest what I'm missing here? Or is it just too damn cold? If you all can get me going I'll be riding on Saturday. HHHEEELLLPPP!!! Thank you! Your're right. It's just too damn cold. You should be able to get it started with a jump start from another vehicle. Also since it's getting a good deal warmer the next couple of days, it might just start on its own. Another alternative would be a can of starting fluid. A little squirt into the carbs can do wonders to get a reluctant engine started. And finally you have probably seen the discussion about keeping batteries charged with the help of a battery tender. Consider getting one of these to keep your battery up to snuff under any weather conditions. Steve Beck From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 2 15:25:24 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA15872; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 15:25:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA20285; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 15:25:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA01592; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 15:25:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from beta.mcit.com by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA30359; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 15:25:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id OAA06494; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 14:23:53 -0600 (CST) Received: from nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (nmta2.mcit.com [166.37.172.3]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA15422; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 15:23:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19980102202352.RJNI6587@[166.41.242.141]>; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 15:23:52 -0500 Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 15:16 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: CC: , Subject: RE: PARR Polar Bear Route X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980102202352.RJNI6587@[166.41.242.141]> Busted! Message-ID: From: To: , Subject: RE: PARR Polar Bear Route Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 13:32:53 -0500 Encoding: 44 TEXT Dale - where were you the night before (New Year's Eve)? I thought that was you sitting on the couch watching The 5th Element with me? The only thing silly was the movie we were watching. Dale and I really know how to have fun! ---------- From: Dale Horstman[SMTP:Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, January 02, 1998 9:26 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: PARR Polar Bear Route Leon Begeman wrote: > <> > The roads were good, except for one patch of ice that covered the entire > lane on 29 near the Manassas Battlefield. You aren't kidding. Good thing there was no traffic coming the other way, as I was able to follow Chris Norloff's lead and just swing over into the other lane to avoid it. Nasty stuff! I also had a great time on the Run. I was pretty well wiped out after I got home (something about a silly new year celebration the night before inexplicably kept me up late :-) This was the first time that temps in the mid 30's actually felt nice! Compared to the 18 degrees or so when I left the house that morning. > > > Leon. > > Karl Rosenbaum wrote: > > > <> Dale (the Horkster) 1978 Kawasaki KZ1000 LTD 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 2 20:07:17 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA19032; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 20:07:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA22426; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 20:07:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA01240; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 20:07:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA30288; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 20:07:05 -0500 (EST) From: Jinn Sinn Message-ID: <3cf24594.34ad8d20@aol.com> Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 19:58:05 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Newbie technical question Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Thank you all very much. I have good news! It started! Todd Peer was kind enough to come by and take a look at it (thanks to you too Kevin for the offer). He accidentally closed of the tail end of the tail pipe by covering it with his hand to see what the fumes smelled like and all of a sudden it started right up. (Jumped it too). I did have to leave it out in the rain for two days so perhaps water froze in the bike somewhere and by this afternoon it had all thawed and drained???? Who knows! We don't. At any rate, I immediately took it out for a spin for about an hour through downtown DC and a little bit on Rock Creek Parkway. Everything is working grrrreat. But don't worry - I have no doubt that I will experience many more technical crises that will require the combined knowledge and experience of you all to fix.... Thanks again Todd I really appreciate the help! One happy biker chick, Marcy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 2 23:36:46 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA20451; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 23:36:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA23669; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 23:36:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA03347; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 23:36:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-29.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.70]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA27020 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 23:36:27 -0500 Message-ID: <00b401bd1801$64125980$3110b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: Subject: Polar Brrr Run Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 23:37:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00B1_01BD17D7.6F62DF00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00B1_01BD17D7.6F62DF00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Great experience! Though rushed, couldn't miss the chance to try the = PARR run and view other and test my tundra-type togs (Motoport Husky can = be a steamer, but very comfortable yesterday) -- some minor tweaking = needed, yet here today with all bumps functioning. Left SoW early for = first half, then beelined back in from Wendy's to keep schedule. = Refreshing and fun. Need some time perfecting "Friendly or Foe -- = shades of roadblack" (just moist, or "snotties", or ice). Tried to = avoid them all. =20 Kept honor intact by not buying (unearned) prior yearbars, though = tempted. Surprised to see a couple of gendarmes tending Rt. 29 on the way back = (New Year midday?) and wondered if this is normal for that route. =20 Bill Swanson 96 Vulcan 500 LTD Downtown DC AMA, + =20 ------=_NextPart_000_00B1_01BD17D7.6F62DF00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Great experience!  Though rushed, couldn't miss = the=20 chance to try the PARR run and view other and test my tundra-type togs = (Motoport=20 Husky can be a steamer, but very comfortable yesterday) -- some minor = tweaking=20 needed, yet here today with all bumps functioning.  Left SoW early = for=20 first half, then beelined back in from Wendy's to keep schedule. =20 Refreshing and fun.  Need some time perfecting "Friendly or = Foe --=20 shades of roadblack" (just moist, or "snotties", or = ice). =20 Tried to avoid them all. 
 
Kept honor intact by not buying = (unearned) prior=20 yearbars, though tempted.
 
Surprised to see a couple of gendarmes tending Rt. = 29 on the=20 way back (New Year midday?) and wondered if this is normal for that = route. =20
 
Bill Swanson
96 Vulcan 500 LTD
Downtown DC
AMA, +
 
 
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_00B1_01BD17D7.6F62DF00-- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 3 01:34:58 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA21830; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 01:34:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA25158; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 01:33:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA04360; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 01:33:13 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id BAA28127; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 01:28:59 -0500 Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 01:26:40 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Testing and Hello To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 2 Jan 1998, Julie Holm wrote: > I've just subscribed, and I am testing out if my message makes it. Uh-oh,Squeakers.The Nasty Girlies are infiltrating dc-cycles.Looks like you're going to have some competition! ;-) The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 3 02:02:28 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA22071; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 02:02:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA25299; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 02:02:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA04676; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 02:02:18 -0500 (EST) From: Jinn Sinn Message-ID: Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 02:01:10 EST To: gnissley@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Testing and Hello Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) IF by chance you're referring to Jeannette and I......all I have to say is that ALL the girlies will unite....MUAH HA HA HA HA HA HA ;D In a message dated 98-01-03 01:45:17 EST, gnissley@XXXXXX writes: << Uh-oh,Squeakers.The Nasty Girlies are infiltrating dc-cycles.Looks like you're going to have some competition! ;-) >> From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 3 02:15:41 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA22172; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 02:15:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA25385; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 02:15:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA04748; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 02:15:30 -0500 (EST) From: Jinn Sinn Message-ID: <509f7405.34ade55e@aol.com> Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 02:14:36 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Marcy's VERY STUBBORN CB-1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) I'm baaaaaaaaack. HELP ME PLEASE! This is making me nuts! I rode the bike for about an hour, let it sit for just under two hours then went to start it again and the ONLY thing that happened is that the lights came on. The ignition did not catch. The engine was silent. Everything was silent. No clicking, no rumbling no nothing. Just my headlight beaming away like an idiot. Battery? (but the lights were on) Starter fuse? Bad karma? Bermuda Triangle riding El Nino into my backyard? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 3 02:24:17 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA22230; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 02:24:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA25416; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 02:24:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA04775; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 02:24:03 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id CAA28289; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 02:19:49 -0500 Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 02:15:34 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Testing and Hello To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 3 Jan 1998, Jinn Sinn wrote: > IF by chance you're referring to Jeannette and I...... Nah.The NGG is a wreck.moto thing(kinda like dc-cycles,only a worse signal-to-noise ratio). >all I have to say is > that ALL the girlies will unite....MUAH HA HA HA HA HA HA ;D I think we'd rather see you all _untie_. ;-) The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 3 03:54:07 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA22893; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 03:54:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA26136; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 03:53:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA05403; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 03:53:17 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id DAA28602; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 03:49:05 -0500 Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 03:46:30 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: 1997 Final Mileage To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <34AA6810.BF36C084@mci.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 31 Dec 1997, Dale Horstman wrote: > With the calculated mileage on my trip home tonight, my 1978 > Kawasaki KZ 1000 LTD will close out the year with 30,215 miles, > which nicely eclipses my 30k goal. I bought this bike in November > of 96 from a guy in Baltimore, it had just under 23k on the odometer. I've only put 4k miles on the Buell since May.Blame it on two jobs and the breakdown. :-P The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 3 04:03:54 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA23019; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 04:03:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA26381; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 04:03:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA05523; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 04:03:46 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id DAA28634; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 03:59:33 -0500 Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 03:50:29 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: argh.. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <9712318835.AA883576641@smtplink.micros.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 31 Dec 1997, Brian McCoy wrote: > And people with 4X4 trucks > sitting on the side of the road as I putt by in my 4x2 with no weight > in the back.... 3rd gear, feathering the clutch. It just amazes me.. > that's all. thankfully my management understands.... OBtopic;my uncle owns some property out in the sticks that he likes to go off roading in.There's this one spot where he's gotten his 4X Jeep stuck on several occations.One night,he heard some noise and went to check it out(w/shotgun,natch).It turned out to be a bunch of kids, in a 2X Blaser,running around through the same spot where my uncle usually gets stuck.I don't know what pissed him off more;the kids tresspassing on his land,or the fact that they didn't get stuck! BTW,something I've noticed about drivers in the Northeast.When there's a long line at a light,it moves when the light is red,and stops when it's green.Weird. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 3 09:17:17 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA24409; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 09:17:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA27450; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 09:16:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA07220; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 09:16:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.137] (unverified [207.226.128.137]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Sat, 03 Jan 1998 09:21:30 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Testing and Hello Date: Sat, 3 Jan 98 09:16:56 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Louis F. Caplan" , "Julie Holm" cc: "DC-Cycles List" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Oh No!!! The NGG is invading DC-Cycles!! Run for cover!!! Oh, darn, I thought I had escaped wreck.moto..... -George From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 3 09:17:17 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA24408; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 09:17:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA27448; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 09:16:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA07217; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 09:16:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA01379; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 09:16:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.137] (unverified [207.226.128.137]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Sat, 03 Jan 1998 09:21:28 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Newbie technical question Date: Sat, 3 Jan 98 09:16:54 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Jinn Sinn" , Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >I did have to leave it out in the rain for >two days so perhaps water froze in the bike somewhere and by this >afternoon it >had all thawed and drained???? If that's the case, go out and buy a cover for it. NOW! :) -George From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 3 10:27:04 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA24711; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 10:27:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA27765; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 10:26:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07661; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 10:26:54 -0500 (EST) From: Jinn Sinn Message-ID: <25ff0135.34ae5898@aol.com> Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 10:26:14 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Marcy and The Recalcitrant CB-1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) ok.....should I run a lottery for who had the right answer? :D:D:D Here's what the problem was: me! well, me and the kickstand being down plus the bike being in gear....... thanks again Todd! see you all out there Marcy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 3 10:28:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA24727; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 10:28:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA27779; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 10:28:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07669; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 10:28:30 -0500 (EST) From: Jinn Sinn Message-ID: <9cf3a660.34ae58e4@aol.com> Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 10:27:30 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Ursulina Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Ursulina, Hi. Jeanette asked me to post and ask for your phone number so the three of us can go riding today around noon. Email me the number if you get this. I'm looking forward to meeting you! Marcy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 3 10:54:42 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA24928; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 10:54:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA27895; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 10:54:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp2.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07847; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 10:54:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from squeakers.erols.com (frd-as1s18.erols.com [207.172.110.18]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA19352; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 10:54:33 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199801031554.KAA19352@smtp2.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, "Gil M. Nissley" Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 10:53:43 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Testing and Hello Reply-to: squeakers@XXXXXX Priority: normal References: In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) > On Fri, 2 Jan 1998, Julie Holm wrote: > > I've just subscribed, and I am testing out if my message makes it. > > Uh-oh,Squeakers.The Nasty Girlies are infiltrating dc-cycles.Looks > like you're going to have some competition! ;-) > > Nasty Girlies? What are the nasty girlies? And hey! Why would they be competition? Id consider them allies for stomping uppity boys gettin too big for their britches and puttin 'em back down on their knees where all boys belong!!!! United we rule!!!!!!! The men will never be the same again!!!!! YEEHAW!!!! Welcome, Julie. Why is he calling you a nasty girlies person? I wanna be a nasty girlie too. I like the way that sounds. :) Gil... I went out trying out my eight wheelers. (roller blades). I had on elbow pads, knee pads, gloves and wrist protectors (all in spiffy psychedelic colors!!!!) ( still no helmet, though) so.. when I fall...do I fall on my knees, elbows, hands or wrists? HELL no. I fall on my ass, and now have a bruised left cheek. Anyone know how to stop or slow down wearing those damn things?!?!/ Wheres the clutch to pull in! Where's the brake!!!! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 3 11:00:06 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA24959; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 11:00:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA27938; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 10:59:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from home.13x.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07899; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 10:59:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from 13x.com (ppp-156.m2-2.ham.ican.net [142.154.80.156]) by home.13x.com (8.8.2/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA25497; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 11:03:03 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <34AE62A4.FF81C1EA@13x.com> Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 11:09:08 -0500 From: Stephen Organization: SDC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jinn Sinn CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Marcy's VERY STUBBORN CB-1 References: <509f7405.34ade55e@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If you've got a loose connection to the battery, yes, your lights will glow, but as soon as you try to get any real current through the starter, you'll kill all the power. I've had this on my hawk. Tighten up the battery connections. A big phillips ought to do the trick. I don't use a wrench as the terminals are soft, and will strip easily. I haven't ever stipped 'em personally though. Stephen Jinn Sinn wrote: > I'm baaaaaaaaack. > > HELP ME PLEASE! This is making me nuts! > > I rode the bike for about an hour, let it sit for just under two hours then > went to start it again and the ONLY thing that happened is that the lights > came on. The ignition did not catch. The engine was silent. Everything was > silent. No clicking, no rumbling no nothing. Just my headlight beaming away > like an idiot. > > Battery? (but the lights were on) > Starter fuse? > Bad karma? > Bermuda Triangle riding El Nino into my backyard? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 3 11:20:51 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA25045; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 11:20:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA28099; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 11:20:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp2.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA08066; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 11:20:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from squeakers.erols.com (frd-as1s18.erols.com [207.172.110.18]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA24257; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 11:20:35 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199801031620.LAA24257@smtp2.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, "Gil M. Nissley" Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 11:19:45 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Testing and Hello Reply-to: squeakers@XXXXXX Priority: normal References: In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) > Nah.The NGG is a wreck.moto thing(kinda like dc-cycles,only a > worse signal-to-noise ratio). > Ok. I just went and looked at the web page for the nasty girlies. Looks like they have the same ideals that I do. i.e. that the pesky testosterone laden beasts (that we all love) need a womans gentle, caring, guiding hand to teach them how to be presentable human beings. And crush those naughty boys that try to flex their rebellious natures until they...too.... learn to be submissive to their betters. (us) kewl. I repeat.. welcome Julie! Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 3 11:55:07 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA25283; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 11:55:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA28199; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 11:54:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA08298; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 11:54:51 -0500 (EST) From: Jinn Sinn Message-ID: <9e95eba0.34ae6cdf@aol.com> Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 11:52:45 EST To: squeakers@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, gnissley@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Testing and Hello Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Squeakers, me and Jeanette are right there with ya! DOWN WITH UPPITY BOYS MUAH HA HA HA HA HA HA Add two more to the Nasty Girlies Gang........ (boys, y'all are in some trouble now ;D ) In a message dated 98-01-03 11:00:11 EST, squeakers@XXXXXX writes: << Nasty Girlies? What are the nasty girlies? And hey! Why would they be competition? Id consider them allies for stomping uppity boys gettin too big for their britches and puttin 'em back down on their knees where all boys belong!!!! United we rule!!!!!!! The men will never be the same again!!!!! YEEHAW!!!! Welcome, Julie. Why is he calling you a nasty girlies person? I wanna be a nasty girlie too. I like the way that sounds. :) >> From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 3 11:55:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA25294; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 11:55:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA28209; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 11:55:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA08302; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 11:55:30 -0500 (EST) From: Jinn Sinn Message-ID: <569adb21.34ae6d47@aol.com> Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 11:54:29 EST To: squeakers@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, gnissley@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Testing and Hello Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Ahh yes it is always a pleasure to meet another woman who understands the way of things......heh heh In a message dated 98-01-03 11:27:05 EST, squeakers@XXXXXX writes: << Ok. I just went and looked at the web page for the nasty girlies. Looks like they have the same ideals that I do. i.e. that the pesky testosterone laden beasts (that we all love) need a womans gentle, caring, guiding hand to teach them how to be presentable human beings. And crush those naughty boys that try to flex their rebellious natures until they...too.... learn to be submissive to their betters. (us) >> From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 3 23:26:21 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA00512; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 23:26:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA05895; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 23:25:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA14846; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 23:25:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA01915; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 23:20:59 -0500 Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 23:10:08 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Testing and Hello To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <199801031554.KAA19352@smtp2.erols.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 3 Jan 1998, Squeakers wrote: > Welcome, Julie. Why is he calling you a nasty girlies > person? I wanna be a nasty girlie too. I like the way that > sounds. :) Now Squeaks,let's not let wreck.moto make inroads here.We get enough flame wars as it is. > Gil... I went out trying out my eight wheelers. (roller > blades). I had on elbow pads, knee pads, gloves and wrist > protectors (all in spiffy psychedelic colors!!!!) ( still > no helmet, though) so.. when I fall...do I fall on my > knees, elbows, hands or wrists? HELL no. I fall on my ass, > and now have a bruised left cheek. Anyone know how to stop > or slow down wearing those damn things?!?!/ Wheres the > clutch to pull in! Where's the brake!!!! We have some guys here that blade.They said you should have a 'bumper' at the heel of the skate.You stop by rocking back on the heel of one of your skates(don't try both at the same time). What's with the goofy colors?All your stuff should be black.And don't forget to get chrome wheels for the blades. ;-) The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 3 23:42:07 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA00612; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 23:42:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA05977; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 23:42:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA15087; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 23:42:00 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA01972; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 23:37:48 -0500 Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 23:25:54 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Testing and Hello To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <569adb21.34ae6d47@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 3 Jan 1998, Jinn Sinn wrote: > Ahh yes it is always a pleasure to meet another woman who understands the way > of things......heh heh Ha-ha-ha.Vewy funny. :-P We'll keep this in mind the next time one of you 'nasty girls' needs our help. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jan 4 04:00:51 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA03201; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 04:00:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA08296; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 04:00:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from germany.it.earthlink.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA02003; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 04:00:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from [153.34.245.164] (1Cust164.tnt2.tco2.da.uu.net [153.34.245.164]) by germany.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA03574 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 01:00:37 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 01:00:37 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: level_5_ltd@XXXXXX Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <199801031554.KAA19352@smtp2.erols.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Alan Lapp Subject: Rollerblading >> Gil... I went out trying out my eight wheelers. (roller >> blades). I had on elbow pads, knee pads, gloves and wrist >> protectors (all in spiffy psychedelic colors!!!!) ( still >> no helmet, though) so.. when I fall...do I fall on my >> knees, elbows, hands or wrists? HELL no. I fall on my ass, >> and now have a bruised left cheek. Anyone know how to stop >> or slow down wearing those damn things?!?!/ Wheres the >> clutch to pull in! Where's the brake!!!! > > We have some guys here that blade.They said you should have a >'bumper' at the heel of the skate.You stop by rocking back on >the heel of one of your skates(don't try both at the same time). > What's with the goofy colors?All your stuff should be black.And >don't forget to get chrome wheels for the blades. ;-) Try hockey pants for your ass. In spite of the fact that I wind up lookin' pear-shaped, I wear'm snowboarding, and they really help. As for stopping: learn how to do a hockey stop. Get all your weight on your rear skate, crouch down, put your front skate out with all the wheels touching the ground (i.e. perpendicular to your line of travel) and *slowly* put weight on the front skate. I'd suggest getting the hockey pants first cuz the first dozen or 2 times you try this, you'll spin out because your front skate isn't pointed in exactly the right direction. Al level_5_ltd@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jan 4 11:52:37 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA05471; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 11:52:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA09621; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 11:52:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA04997; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 11:52:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from michael-a.-cruz (spg-as99s03.erols.com [207.172.35.130]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA24637; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 11:56:43 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: "Michael Cruz" From: "Michael Cruz" To: "Kevin Andrew D'sylva" , "DC Cycles" , "Mary Ann Cruz" , "Brian (California)" Subject: Cross Country Trip, USA Baby!!! Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 12:02:24 -0500 Message-ID: <01bd1932$86fe16a0$8223accf@michael-a.-cruz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Hi All! In two years, spring-summer of 99', I am a planning to take a cross-country trip from Washington DC to San Francisco with my CBR and some friends. I was wondering if any of you had any experience doing this either by car or motorcycle. What is the fastest, safest, least expensive, and most beautiful route to take? How should I prepare? Points of interest, etc... If any of you can recommend a book that does an excellent job detailing a route, please let me know. Of course, if any of you are interested making the trip with us, let me know and I will keep you informed as plans evolve. Please advise... Thanks in advance, Mike Cruz 96' CBR 600/ red-white / neon yellow rim strips cruzman@XXXXXX www.erols.com/cruzman From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jan 4 12:41:34 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA05812; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 12:41:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA09790; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 12:41:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA05508; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 12:41:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (spg-tnt6s135.erols.com [207.172.36.135]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA10962; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 12:45:44 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <34AFD572.7D3F845F@geocities.com> Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 13:31:15 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Cruz CC: "Kevin Andrew D'sylva" , DC Cycles , Mary Ann Cruz , "Brian (California)" Subject: Re: Cross Country Trip, USA Baby!!! References: <01bd1932$86fe16a0$8223accf@michael-a.-cruz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Michael, Unfortuneately all those adjectives don't really fit together... My bet for the fastest route would be to swing down I-64 to I-40 then put it on auto pilot till ya hit California. It's a boring route but it does have some decent scenery. It's dead straight though. I've gone long stretches in the cage without touching the wheel...A well aligned vehicle will just follow the grooves left by the 18 wheelers... Good luck on your trip...Wish I could go (at least half way anyhow....I'm not too fond of CA other than very short visits.) Collin Michael Cruz wrote: > Hi All! > > In two years, spring-summer of 99', I am a planning to take a cross-country trip > from Washington DC to San Francisco with my CBR and some friends. I was > wondering if any of you had any experience doing this either by car or > motorcycle. What is the fastest, safest, least expensive, and most beautiful > route to take? > How should I prepare? Points of interest, etc... > > If any of you can recommend a book that does an excellent job detailing a route, > please let me know. > > Of course, if any of you are interested making the trip with us, let me know and > I will keep you informed as plans evolve. > > Please advise... > > Thanks in advance, > > Mike Cruz > 96' CBR 600/ red-white / neon yellow rim strips > cruzman@XXXXXX > www.erols.com/cruzman -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jan 4 12:57:38 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA05933; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 12:57:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA09852; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 12:57:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from sidewinder.s3i.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA05623; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 12:57:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from sidewinder.s3i.com (root@localhost) by sidewinder.s3i.com with ESMTP id MAA00941; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 12:57:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from elmo.s3i.com (elmo.s3i.com [10.1.0.2]) by sidewinder.s3i.com with SMTP id MAA00937; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 12:57:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by elmo.s3i.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id MAA07699; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 12:57:27 -0500 Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 12:57:26 -0500 (EST) From: "Clark E. Dorman" X-Sender: dorman@elmo To: Alan Lapp cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Rollerblading In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII How we got on rollerblading, I can't imagine, but here goes. I haven't been riding the motorcycle because I broke my leg (again). I was hoping that the weather would be terrible so I wouldn't feel bad about not riding, but of course, this is the nicest winter I've ever seen. My brother has very graciously borrowed my old BMW to make sure that it gets ridden every once in a while. On Sun, 4 Jan 1998, Alan Lapp wrote: > >> Gil... I went out trying out my eight wheelers. (roller > >> blades). I had on elbow pads, knee pads, gloves and wrist > >> protectors (all in spiffy psychedelic colors!!!!) ( still > >> no helmet, though) so.. when I fall...do I fall on my > >> knees, elbows, hands or wrists? HELL no. I fall on my ass, > >> and now have a bruised left cheek. Anyone know how to stop > >> or slow down wearing those damn things?!?!/ Wheres the > >> clutch to pull in! Where's the brake!!!! > > > > We have some guys here that blade.They said you should have a > >'bumper' at the heel of the skate.You stop by rocking back on > >the heel of one of your skates(don't try both at the same time). Yes, the brake is in the back. You slide one of the blades in the front and lift the toe. Learn to do this second. The first thing you should learn is to stand up :-). The alternative to using the brake is to do a t-stop. Put your weight on one foot and put the other foot behind you, perpendicular to the line of travel. > > What's with the goofy colors?All your stuff should be black.And > >don't forget to get chrome wheels for the blades. ;-) > Try hockey pants for your ass. In spite of the fact that I wind up lookin' > pear-shaped, I wear'm snowboarding, and they really help. Excellent idea. > As for stopping: learn how to do a hockey stop. Get all your weight on > your rear skate, crouch down, put your front skate out with all the wheels > touching the ground (i.e. perpendicular to your line of travel) and > *slowly* put weight on the front skate. I'd suggest getting the hockey > pants first cuz the first dozen or 2 times you try this, you'll spin out > because your front skate isn't pointed in exactly the right direction. Um...have you tried this on rollerblades? It doesn't work. On ice it works because the skate scrapes on the ice. On cement/asphalt, the blade either catches or it doesn't and it will get ugly. If you watch rollerblade hockey on tv, they can do a hockey stop because of the surface that they are playing on. Asphalt is way too rough. -- Clark From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jan 4 16:42:07 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA07735; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 16:42:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA10753; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 16:41:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA07832; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 16:41:26 -0500 (EST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id QAA05144 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 16:41:27 -0500 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma005140; Sun, 4 Jan 98 16:41:16 -0500 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id QAA20227 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 16:41:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00) id AA883949898; Sun, 04 Jan 98 16:38:20 -0500 Message-Id: <9801048839.AA883949898@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Sun, 04 Jan 98 16:36:23 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: Re[2]: Testing and Hello MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hrm, will this pass like all the other junk that occasionally filters into the list, or am I actually going to have to resort to personal e-mail lists and phone numbers? I guess time will tell.... Brian ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Squeakers, me and Jeanette are right there with ya! DOWN WITH UPPITY BOYS MUAH HA HA HA HA HA HA Add two more to the Nasty Girlies Gang........ (boys, y'all are in some trouble now ;D ) In a message dated 98-01-03 11:00:11 EST, squeakers@XXXXXX writes: << Nasty Girlies? What are the nasty girlies? And hey! Why would they be competition? Id consider them allies for stomping uppity boys gettin too big for their britches and puttin 'em back down on their knees where all boys belong!!!! United we rule!!!!!!! The men will never be the same again!!!!! YEEHAW!!!! Welcome, Julie. Why is he calling you a nasty girlies person? I wanna be a nasty girlie too. I like the way that sounds. :) >> From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jan 4 16:43:32 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA07749; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 16:43:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA10777; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 16:43:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA07861; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 16:43:25 -0500 (EST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id QAA05204 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 16:43:26 -0500 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma005202; Sun, 4 Jan 98 16:43:18 -0500 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id QAA20231 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 16:43:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00) id AA883950022; Sun, 04 Jan 98 16:40:22 -0500 Message-Id: <9801048839.AA883950022@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Sun, 04 Jan 98 16:40:15 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: Re: Rollerblading MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ As for stopping: learn how to do a hockey stop. Get all your weight on your rear skate, crouch down, put your front skate out with all the wheels touching the ground (i.e. perpendicular to your line of travel) and *slowly* put weight on the front skate. I'd suggest getting the hockey pants first cuz the first dozen or 2 times you try this, you'll spin out because your front skate isn't pointed in exactly the right direction. Or, do this with the perpendicular skate _behind_ you. It seems to be easier to control spins that way, even if it does taker a tad more effort to slow. I'm not sure how good the wheels are on rollerblades nowadays, but they couldn't handle the shear forces exhibited in the above describe stopping method when I first started (the wheels crumbled). I suspect that tech. has helped out since then though.. Best of luck.. Brian From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jan 4 16:55:49 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA07831; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 16:55:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA10831; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 16:55:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA08057; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 16:55:26 -0500 (EST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id QAA05577 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 16:55:26 -0500 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma005575; Sun, 4 Jan 98 16:55:25 -0500 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id QAA20293 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 16:55:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00) id AA883950747; Sun, 04 Jan 98 16:52:30 -0500 Message-Id: <9801048839.AA883950747@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Sun, 04 Jan 98 16:49:34 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: what a lame problem... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit geesh.. here I am complaining about my bike running terribly. thinking it was because of bad gas, and water leaks.. Hrm, it's running like it only has 2 of the 4 cylinders... well, I finally looked into the electrical side of this problem.. first thing being the coils.. I pull the tank and right on top, there is no nut holding on the ground to my top coil.. I hold it on with a screwdriver and start the bike.. it runs fine, I wiggle it a llittle. hrrmm, it dies. Go fifigure. so, a new nut installed, a little locktite on the threads.. and it'll never come off again. and I pissed and moaned all day today about not being able to ride in this awesome weather.. what a loser... :P Yup, that's me... Brian From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jan 4 17:57:52 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA08743; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 17:57:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA11093; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 17:55:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA08968; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 17:55:46 -0500 (EST) From: Jinn Sinn Message-ID: Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 17:55:05 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Success! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) well...I rode today with Jeannette, Sean and Art out to and around Potomac (don't ask me for details I was only paying attention to my bike :D ) It was a great trip though. My bike seems to have stopped torturing me with it's (ok ok it's me!) little idiosyncracies and i think I *finally* got it into my head that it simply won't start in gear with the kickstand down :D Marcy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jan 4 20:59:51 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA10754; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 20:59:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA14081; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 20:59:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from oak.eainet.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA12104; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 20:59:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from oak.eainet.com (oak.eainet.com [206.136.246.2]) by oak.eainet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA07619; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 21:04:09 -0500 Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 21:04:09 -0500 (EST) From: Peter Hartzler Reply-To: Peter Hartzler To: Jinn Sinn cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Starting idiosyncracies [was: Success!] In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Marcy -- <$.02> Don't know if you've taken the MSF coure, but in it they teach a starting "checklist" sequence -- FINE-C -- That stands for Fuel (petcock), Ignition (key), Neutral (gear), Engine (switch), Choke. It works for me as a very good little mantra both when starting *and parking* a bike. When starting, this ditty will remind me to clear error conditions such as having been forced to park in first gear due to the grade, and when stopping it reminds me to clear error conditions such as when you stop at the fuel pump on reserve. If you haven't taken a MSF course, I *strongly* recommend it. Heck, I think everybody, even dedicated cagers and old-time self-taught bikers ought to take it. Cheers! Pete. On Sun, 4 Jan 1998, Jinn Sinn wrote: > well...I rode today with Jeannette, Sean and Art out to and around Potomac > (don't ask me for details I was only paying attention to my bike :D ) It was > a great trip though. My bike seems to have stopped torturing me with it's (ok > ok it's me!) little idiosyncracies and i think I *finally* got it into my head > that it simply won't start in gear with the kickstand down :D > > Marcy > --- Peter Hartzler Systems Analysis Ellsworth Associates, Inc. ph@XXXXXX (703) 821-3090 x 252 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jan 4 23:07:13 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA11940; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 23:07:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA14964; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 23:06:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA13727; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 23:06:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA06494; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 23:02:41 -0500 Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 22:58:00 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: what a lame problem... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <9801048839.AA883950747@smtplink.micros.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Don't feel bad Brian.I was wondering how to cure the problem of my rear head breather bolt leaking oil.Then one day I decided to try and see if tightening it might help.Guess what?It was only finger tight.Problem solved. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 5 01:26:46 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA13616; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 01:26:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA16900; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 01:26:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA15499; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 01:26:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.141] (unverified [207.226.128.141]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Mon, 05 Jan 1998 01:31:19 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Starting idiosyncracies [was: Success!] Date: Mon, 5 Jan 98 01:26:37 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Peter Hartzler" , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" ><$.02> >Don't know if you've taken the MSF coure, but in it they teach a starting >"checklist" sequence -- FINE-C -- That stands for Fuel (petcock), Ignition >(key), Neutral (gear), Engine (switch), Choke. It works for me as a very >good little mantra both when starting *and parking* a bike. Two bikes, no petcock on either one (not one that can totally be switched off, that is:) And neutral on the BMW? No way:) But, fwiw, I was thinking the same thing. > >If you haven't taken a MSF course, I *strongly* recommend it. Heck, I >think everybody, even dedicated cagers and old-time self-taught bikers >ought to take it. > I was also thinking this. Anybody know when the Beginner course will start in the spring? (For my brother) And ditto with the ERC (for me)? ``` (o o) *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| *--------------------------oooO------------* |__||__| || || ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 5 01:40:19 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA13707; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 01:40:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA16978; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 01:40:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA15634; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 01:40:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from default ([12.68.76.214]) by mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA14316; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 06:39:40 +0000 Reply-To: From: "kevin thomas" To: "George Howell" , "Peter Hartzler" , "DC Cycles" Subject: MSF (was Starting idiosyncracies [was: Success!]) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 01:36:50 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19980105063939.AAA14316@default> George-- You can call the MSF at 1-800-428-RIDE. At least you could last time I tried it....... Later Kevin PS--register asap, or you'll be stuck taking the class on a hot, hot day a long time from now. He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 5 08:09:14 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA16910; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 08:09:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA20291; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 08:08:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from DONALD.CDER.FDA.GOV by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA03127; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 08:08:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from mr.cder.fda.gov by fdaserv.cder.fda.gov (PMDF V5.1-8 #21467) id <01IS0E8SNR748ZG99Q@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 08:07:38 EST Received: with PMDF-MR; Mon, 05 Jan 1998 08:06:06 -0500 (EST) MR-Received: by mta DONALD; Relayed; Mon, 05 Jan 1998 08:06:06 -0500 Alternate-recipient: prohibited Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 08:06:24 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy Subject: Re: what a lame problem... To: DC Cycles Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Posting-date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 08:06:25 -0500 (EST) Importance: normal Priority: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential UA-content-id: E1501IEO1RA9H X400-MTS-identifier: [;60608050108991/2224302@FDACD] A1-type: MAIL Hop-count: 1 >Don't feel bad Brian. Here's another lamo thing. The rear end of my bike has been wallowing about like crazy. So, I've been calling around looking for a shock but haven't had too much luck finding one at the price I want to pay... The bike has about 40k miles on it so I'm sure the shock is at the end of its life cycle. Anyway, after having a seriously bad time getting through a bumpy corner last week I decided to actually look at the bike. There was hardly any air in the back tire... Turns out I've had a slow leak. I plugged it up yesterday and the bike rode surprisingly well on the trip to work this morning. I've still got to replace that shock but it's nowhere near as bad as I thought it was... Kirk uomo senza cervello From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 5 08:11:50 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA16934; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 08:11:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA20320; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 08:11:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA03165; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 08:11:44 -0500 (EST) From: Jinn Sinn Message-ID: <28eb043d.34b0dbe6@aol.com> Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 08:10:59 EST To: ph@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Starting idiosyncracies [was: Success!] Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) FINE-C yes I know! I know! I know! My brain was short-circuiting is all...... ;D In a message dated 98-01-04 21:03:15 EST, ph@XXXXXX writes: << <$.02> Don't know if you've taken the MSF coure, but in it they teach a starting "checklist" sequence -- FINE-C -- That stands for Fuel (petcock), Ignition (key), Neutral (gear), Engine (switch), Choke. It works for me as a very good little mantra both when starting *and parking* a bike. When starting, this ditty will remind me to clear error conditions such as having been forced to park in first gear due to the grade, and when stopping it reminds me to clear error conditions such as when you stop at the fuel pump on reserve. I've taken the course and I strongly recommend it as well. It was great. The teachers were excellent. I even drive a car better now............. If you haven't taken a MSF course, I *strongly* recommend it. Heck, I think everybody, even dedicated cagers and old-time self-taught bikers ought to take it. >> Marcy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 5 08:15:35 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA16983; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 08:15:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA20363; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 08:15:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA03202; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 08:15:28 -0500 (EST) From: Jinn Sinn Message-ID: <18f35aaf.34b0dcc5@aol.com> Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 08:14:42 EST To: ghowell@XXXXXX, ph@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: MSF Course Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) I don't know exactly when it starts but the email for the Program Director, "Lisa" (don't know her last name) is: NVSASSE@XXXXXX In a message dated 98-01-05 01:32:45 EST, ghowell@XXXXXX writes: << Anybody know when the Beginner course will start in the spring? (For my brother) And ditto with the ERC (for me)? >> From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 5 08:24:05 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA17070; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 08:24:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA20477; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 08:23:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from oak.eainet.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA03285; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 08:23:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from oak.eainet.com (oak.eainet.com [206.136.246.2]) by oak.eainet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA10171; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 08:28:30 -0500 Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 08:28:30 -0500 (EST) From: Peter Hartzler Reply-To: Peter Hartzler To: NVSASSE@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: 1998 RiderCourse? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Greetings! I have learned through the DC-Cycles email list discussion that you are the program director for the Virginia MSF RiderCourse. (If this ain't so, then please accept my apologies!) Anyhow, I am very interested in taking the Experienced RiderCourse this year. I also know that other list members are interested, both in the Experienced and in the beginner level course. What is the best way to register for these courses? Best Regards, Pete. --- Peter Hartzler Systems Analysis Ellsworth Associates, Inc. ph@XXXXXX (703) 821-3090 x 252 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 5 08:55:15 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA17417; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 08:55:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA22378; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 08:54:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA03758; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 08:54:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA07411; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 08:54:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.02c) id A6181A501B0; Mon, 05 Jan 1998 08:54:41 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980105083006.009f8220@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 08:30:06 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: PARR Polar Bear Route In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19980101201738.0067cab4@illuminet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:17 PM 1/1/98 +0000, Leon Begeman wrote: >The 1998 PARR Polar Bear ride was great fun. I rode with Horkster, Chris >Norloff and Jim Furlong. I met many people on the ride, Karl with his brown >K-LT, and Tim Morrow on his VX800 are the only two I can recall from the >list. I'm certain that I've left several of you out. Excellent ride! I remember meeting Chris Meier, John Carver, and Nancy Weiss from this list. Started at 18 deg., finished at 35 deg. -- which felt quite warm, actually! I lead our first leg, through a lot of slow-speed twisty roads (I mean, posted 10mph corners!). To make matters interesting, there was lots of salt on the roads, and many wet-looking spots. Of course, at 18 deg., the only thing that could be "wet" would be some very salty water, or ice with salty water on top of it! So I poked along at MY maximum sane speed, and that seemed to suit the other riders, too. Leon took the lead after Gainesville and picked up the pace. The roads were much faster and cleaner. Along there I had one of those glorious experiences that make winter riding so enjoyable. Fields and woods full of snow, a red barn, a yellow house, the sun behind some high clouds providing brilliant but not glaring light ... that was really nice. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 5 09:12:58 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA17675; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 09:12:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA25109; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 09:12:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA04111; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 09:12:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay2.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id JAA11259; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 09:12:34 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 09:11:36 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D34F3A1@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Julie Holm'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Testing and Hello Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 09:10:28 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Hi Julie! I've talked to you before (via e-mail) when I linked up to your Nasty Girlie page! LOVED IT. Everyone needs to check this page out! I'm still waiting to be put on the page myself!! ; ) Any nominations?? - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Julie Holm [SMTP:holm@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, January 02, 1998 9:34 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Testing and Hello > > I've just subscribed, and I am testing out if my message makes it. > > Hello all! > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----- > Julie Holm (ENTP)| DoD #1604 AMA#397939 UKMC# 0001 VOC# 4672 > holm@XXXXXX | 1985 Virago 700 "Maureen" > | I'm home at http://www.ziplink.net/~holm > NGG Webmistress | Remember the PINK PAGES are always changing (Just > and Armourer | like a Nasty Girlie's mind!) > | NGG home page > http://www.ziplink.net/~holm/ngg/ngg.html > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----- > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 5 09:16:12 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA17721; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 09:16:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA25689; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 09:15:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA04212; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 09:15:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com by mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (8.8.8/McCaw V8 version 1) id GAA28339; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 06:15:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id GAA02857; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 06:15:21 -0800 Received: from hq_msg01.nwest.mccaw.com by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id GAA02852; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 06:15:20 -0800 Received: by hq_msg01.nwest.mccaw.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD19A1.4B5DF600@XXXXXX>; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 06:15:18 -0800 Message-ID: From: "Viteri, Ursulina" To: "'Peter Hartzler'" , "'Jinn Sinn'" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Starting idiosyncracies [was: Success!] Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 06:12:00 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 64 TEXT Here, here to touting the MSF course. Well worth a weekend of your time and about $85. If you need details about the course held at Northern VA college, let me know. Ursulina Viteri 202-416-6534 * Fax 202-223-9095 AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. - Washington, DC HAPPY HOLIDAYS! >-----Original Message----- >From: Peter Hartzler [SMTP:ph@XXXXXX] >Sent: Sunday, January 04, 1998 6:04 PM >To: Jinn Sinn >Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Starting idiosyncracies [was: Success!] > >Marcy -- > ><$.02> >Don't know if you've taken the MSF coure, but in it they teach a starting >"checklist" sequence -- FINE-C -- That stands for Fuel (petcock), Ignition >(key), Neutral (gear), Engine (switch), Choke. It works for me as a very >good little mantra both when starting *and parking* a bike. > >When starting, this ditty will remind me to clear error conditions such as >having been forced to park in first gear due to the grade, and when >stopping it reminds me to clear error conditions such as when you stop at >the fuel pump on reserve. > > > >If you haven't taken a MSF course, I *strongly* recommend it. Heck, I >think everybody, even dedicated cagers and old-time self-taught bikers >ought to take it. > > >Cheers! > >Pete. > >On Sun, 4 Jan 1998, Jinn Sinn wrote: > >> well...I rode today with Jeannette, Sean and Art out to and around Potomac >> (don't ask me for details I was only paying attention to my bike :D ) It >>was >> a great trip though. My bike seems to have stopped torturing me with it's >>(ok >> ok it's me!) little idiosyncracies and i think I *finally* got it into my >>head >> that it simply won't start in gear with the kickstand down :D >> >> Marcy >> > >--- >Peter Hartzler >Systems Analysis >Ellsworth Associates, Inc. >ph@XXXXXX >(703) 821-3090 x 252 > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 5 09:23:17 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA17890; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 09:23:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA26562; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 09:23:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from germany.it.earthlink.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA04333; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 09:23:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from [153.34.247.199] (1Cust199.tnt3.tco2.da.uu.net [153.34.247.199]) by germany.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA26910 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 06:23:04 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 06:23:04 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: level_5_ltd@XXXXXX Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <01bd1932$86fe16a0$8223accf@michael-a.-cruz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Alan Lapp Subject: Re: Cross Country Trip, USA Baby!!! (long) >Hi All! > >In two years, spring-summer of 99', I am a planning to take a >cross-country trip >from Washington DC to San Francisco with my CBR and some friends. I was >wondering if any of you had any experience doing this either by car or >motorcycle. What is the fastest, safest, least expensive, and most beautiful >route to take? >How should I prepare? Points of interest, etc... > >If any of you can recommend a book that does an excellent job detailing a >route, >please let me know. > >Of course, if any of you are interested making the trip with us, let me >know and >I will keep you informed as plans evolve. > >Please advise... Mike: This fall, I did almost exactly the trip you describe on my '94 FZR1000. I went south to Atlanta GA, Pensacola FLA, New Orleans LA, Austin TX, Phoenix AZ, Los Angeles CA, San Fransisco CA, Yosemite National Park CA, Albequerque NM, and a couple of small towns on the way back. I was planning on coming back across the Rockies, but late October was too late in the season: there was already snow on many of the high passes. That's why I went south directly after Yosemite NP! Froze my ass off in the mountains!!! I was bummed at missing the mountains. So, timing is very important! Go north in the summer, and return south in the fall... if you have the time. It took me 3 weeks, I visited family and friends along the way - I only spent about 7 or 8 nights in a motel. I'd say that the southern route, which is Interstate 10, is a very beautiful trip if you like 'western' scenery (i.e. lots of open spaces). However, I'd suggest that you avoid I-10 between New Orleans and Texas: it's *terribly* bumpy. Austin is a beautiful city, in fact, I do believe that I'm going to move there someday. Highly recommended: university town, good culture, awesome music scene, great food, georgeous scenery, and some of the finest riding I've ever experienced in the Hill Country. Try to get there for 2-3 days over a weekend. It was the best stop in my trip! As far as expense, everything on I-10 is high, altho being from the DC area, I didn't find prices terribly objectionable in most areas, but did pay $1.96/gal for a tankfull of premium in AZ. Camping is really the cheapest way, but you should investigate availability beforehand, perhaps a membership in KOA. Many campgrounds and motels in tourist areas close in late October. BTW: there is such a thing as being too frugal with a motel: for example, never ever stay in a place advertising weekly and monthly rates, locted on the same street as a check cashing service or place that buys aluminum cans for cash. Trust me on this! Best recomendation: join AAA for their map service. They won't tow a MC, but will provide gasoline and a jump start if stranded. They have the best maps available, certainly for the price (which is free to members). Safety: I went solo, but a friend would have been really nice, and provided some peace of mind. Don't try to put in too many miles in one day. I went as high as 900 miles, but that was pretty harsh, and somewhat dangerous. I stuck to interstates the whole way, and found them to be extremely safe, with little risk of running out of gas, dangerous pavement conditions, or Persons of Questionable Ethics (i.e. thieves and bandits). I was warned repeatedly about such persons in New Orleans, and have personal experience with their sort in coastal Florida between Orlando and Daytona. Also, try to leave early in the AM, and don't travel at night, mostly because navigational errors are much easier when it's dark. This also facilitates camping! Nothing sucks quite as bad as trying to set up camp when it's dark, and you're beat. Gear: tankbag, soft saddlebags, and a large duffel across the back. Keep packing simple. My gear was held on by two bungies, and could be put on and taken off in under 5 minutes. REI sells wonderful dry sacks (a heavy plastic sack with a roll-down top) for sleeping bags and other moisture sensative stuff like yer undies. They come in a variety of sizes. A CamelBack proved indespensable, not just for hydration: I used the water to keep cool, and wash my faceshield. I took a pretty comprehensive first aid kit oriented towards the kind of injuries most likely to be suffered in a MC accident: specifically, lots of gauze to stop bleeding, and some splinting material for broken bones. BTW: I wore leathers for the entire trip, with only a little short sleeve riding when temps exceeded 90 in the desert. Also, don't pack your gear full: it expands on the road. Tools: know your bike, and know how to fix it. Take anything (which may mean spare parts) you'd need to repair common ailments on your bike. The most common problem is broken levers and flat tires. I didn't take any special tools or parts, but would recommend taking a can of fix-a-flat. It's not like you're going to be able to fix a broken trans on the road, so keep that in mind when packing: tools weigh a lot! And, my favorite suggestion: don't be shy about buying souviners: you can always ship them home by mail! My best friend and I are planning on riding to Alaska in the summer of 99... keep me posted as to your plans. Perhaps some portion of our ride can overlap! Al level_5_ltd@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 5 09:36:09 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA18045; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 09:36:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA27554; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 09:36:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA04552; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 09:35:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id IAA16118; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 08:35:27 -0600 (CST) Received: from nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (nmta2.mcit.com [166.37.172.3]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id JAA07860; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 09:35:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19980105143526.WECI6587@[166.41.242.141]>; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 09:35:26 -0500 Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 09:15 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: George Howell CC: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Saturday ride maybe? X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980105143526.WECI6587@[166.41.242.141]> We rode Out to Middleburg, Snickersville Tpk, rt 601, rt638 and stopped in Front Royal to yak for about 40 minutes then turned up 55 to home. Brian took off for more riding at Plains. Me Brian Collin The roads suck out west (VA) folks. There is sand and gravel mixed with salt, in heavy doses on some of the finer roads. As Collin put it, "it's hard to find your line with just 24 inches of road to work with." It also seemed to get a little colder the further west we went, which explains the two slush fields we traversed. I think the winter riding season will need to be toned down to local roads (heavily travelled), or we should hope for a couple of really heavy rainstorms in the mountains. Todd Message-ID: Subject: Re: Saturday ride maybe? Date: Sat, 3 Jan 98 17:32:56 -0500 From: George Howell To: "Todd Peer" >Hey, if your listening >call me at 703.644.2695 > >Brian M and I are leaving in about half an hour. > >Cell Phone 703.909.0978 Bummer. I was cleaning up the mess(es) that my girlfriend's dog left in my room last night. I did make it down to Morton's BMW today. Along with most of BMWBMW (to my surprise). Good day for riding. Where did you wind up going? -George From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 5 09:36:10 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA18050; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 09:36:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA27557; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 09:36:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from germany.it.earthlink.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA04556; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 09:36:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from [153.34.247.199] (1Cust199.tnt3.tco2.da.uu.net [153.34.247.199]) by germany.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA15361 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 06:35:59 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 06:35:59 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: level_5_ltd@XXXXXX Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Alan Lapp Subject: Re: Rollerblading >How we got on rollerblading, I can't imagine, but here goes. Blame Squeakers... she started it. Imagine that. :) I haven't >been riding the motorcycle because I broke my leg (again). I was hoping >that the weather would be terrible so I wouldn't feel bad about not >riding, but of course, this is the nicest winter I've ever seen. My >brother has very graciously borrowed my old BMW to make sure that it gets >ridden every once in a while. Bummer about your leg! I spent my time in a cast last year: broke my ankle on my racebike, then the week after I got out of that, got rear-ended on my VFR. Arrrgh. [Bill Clinton voice] I feel your pain! >Um...have you tried this on rollerblades? It doesn't work. On ice it >works because the skate scrapes on the ice. On cement/asphalt, the blade >either catches or it doesn't and it will get ugly. If you watch >rollerblade hockey on tv, they can do a hockey stop because of the surface >that they are playing on. Asphalt is way too rough. Heh. I have to admit, I'm not too adept on rollerblades. I can't do this, nor skate backwards. I haven't tried very hard, though. One of my best friends stops this way quite a bit. It's rough on the wheels: he goes through 2 sets per summer, even with rotating them. We also aren't street skaters, we primarily play hockey, and as such, don't have the brakes: it makes crossovers hard. Al level_5_ltd@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 5 13:00:41 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA21671; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 13:00:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA02361; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 13:00:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA10234; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 13:00:13 -0500 (EST) From: WantA ZX6 Message-ID: <3ef2c20c.34b11cf8@aol.com> Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 12:48:37 EST To: suzuki-l@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Synthetic Oil....how???? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) I just passed 5000 miles on my TL and want to switch to synthetic oil. Can anyone give me a step by step "guide" on how to properly do it? I have heard that it is bad for synthetics to mix with leftover petroleum oil. Fact or fiction? Also, what weight should I use? Suggestions on brands? Thanks Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 5 13:23:25 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA22049; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 13:23:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA03050; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 13:23:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from dadc012.army.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA10843; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 13:23:16 -0500 (EST) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 13:25:27 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: WantA ZX6 , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Synthetic Oil....how???? Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 13:26:22 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Jack, check out this site for a lot of good info on Mobil One and basics about synthetics: http://www.mobil.com/consumer/mobil1/mobil1/mobil1faq.html Glenn Dysart DysarGB@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna > I just passed 5000 miles on my TL and want to switch to synthetic oil. > Can > anyone give me a step by step "guide" on how to properly do it? I > have heard > that it is bad for synthetics to mix with leftover petroleum oil. > Fact or > fiction? Also, what weight should I use? Suggestions on brands? > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 5 13:57:29 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA22607; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 13:57:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA03558; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 13:57:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from lfgate1.KELLY.AF.MIL by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA11793; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 13:57:20 -0500 (EST) Received: by lfgate1.kelly.af.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 12:57:15 -0600 Message-ID: <7FD1E4AAD152D111966500609707F48B124ACF@lfgate1.kelly.af.mil> From: "BAILEY JOHN C, CAPT" To: suzuki-l@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, "'WantA ZX6'" Subject: RE: Synthetic Oil....how???? Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 12:57:14 -0600 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Just change the oil and filter. Mixing is no problem. I've switched back and forth for years (as $ allow). My dad uses 20/50 Spectro Golden exclusively in all his bikes (after break in) - including a 90 GSXR 1100 with 35000 miles including 4 years of Willow Springs Racing. The only internal engine work ever has been valve adjustments and a new clutch. Of course (just to stir the pot a little) MCN says synthetic is a waste of money. > ---------- > From: WantA ZX6[SMTP:WantAZX6@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, January 05, 1998 9:48 AM > To: suzuki-l@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Synthetic Oil....how???? > > I just passed 5000 miles on my TL and want to switch to synthetic oil. > Can > anyone give me a step by step "guide" on how to properly do it? I have > heard > that it is bad for synthetics to mix with leftover petroleum oil. Fact or > fiction? Also, what weight should I use? Suggestions on brands? > > Thanks > Jack > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 5 14:11:58 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA22943; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 14:11:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA03771; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 14:11:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA12166; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 14:11:49 -0500 (EST) From: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX Received: by ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.1 (385.6 5-6-1997)) id 85256583.00684232 ; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 13:58:46 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMSINC To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256583.0065B4CD.00@ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com> Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 13:34:39 -0500 Subject: Re: Synthetic Oil....how???? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; Boundary="0__=ppdP151tBggpB7GduEzKG2wIh41jIykbz3b2xaZCTR6r5dxDlEH2xRjs" --0__=ppdP151tBggpB7GduEzKG2wIh41jIykbz3b2xaZCTR6r5dxDlEH2xRjs Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The synthetic oil I use (Castrol Syntec) says its fully compatible with conventional oils...that means it'll mix fine with any oil left in your crank case. The synthetic oil increased my bike's performance almost a scary amount. The thing idles more smoothly, warms up faster, accellerates more smoothly and just performs better. Granted my bike is 17 years old and has 30K miles on it, so there's room for improvement, I guess :-) -Doug douglas_brashear@XXXXXX T minus 28 days before I rejoin the DC metro crowd! (Embedded image moved WantA ZX6 at AMS-Internet to file: 01/05/98 01:12 PM PIC09911.PCX) To: suzuki-l @ mcf.com at AMS-Internet@CCMAIL, dc-cycles @ cs.umd.edu at AMS-Internet@CCMAIL cc: (bcc: Douglas Brashear/AMS/AMSINC) Subject: Synthetic Oil....how???? I just passed 5000 miles on my TL and want to switch to synthetic oil. Can anyone give me a step by step "guide" on how to properly do it? I have heard that it is bad for synthetics to mix with leftover petroleum oil. Fact or fiction? Also, what weight should I use? Suggestions on brands? 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Fagan" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" CC: "'Julie Holm'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Testing and Hello References: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D34F3A1@badge.tuckerflyer.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You're starting to scare me Jeannette!!......ooh..I think I like being scared :) he he he.... O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: > Hi Julie! I've talked to you before (via e-mail) when I linked up to > your Nasty Girlie page! LOVED IT. Everyone needs to check this page > out! I'm still waiting to be put on the page myself!! ; ) Any > nominations?? > _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 5 17:22:28 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA27481; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 17:22:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA08078; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 17:22:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA18726; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 17:22:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from squeakers.erols.com (frd-as2s44.erols.com [207.172.110.107]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA05429; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 17:22:16 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199801052222.RAA05429@smtp1.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Alan Lapp Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 17:21:31 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Rollerblading Reply-to: squeakers@XXXXXX Priority: normal In-reply-to: References: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) > >How we got on rollerblading, I can't imagine, but here goes. > > Blame Squeakers... she started it. Imagine that. :) > Did not. It was Brian that started it!!!!!! Speaking of Brian and his skates, though... I put up my speed rollerblades, and went and got a pair of those beginner skates with that ABS braking system built into them. (Gil's idea) DAMN, Im good!!!!! I can go and slow down and stop and almost dont lose my balance anymore! Not BAD for an old lady!!! (GAWD I ache everywhere) Squeakers-streaking like a snail on 8 wheels! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 5 17:30:24 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA27637; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 17:30:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA08152; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 17:30:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from bretweir.total.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA18930; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 17:30:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from win95b (ppp-annex-0203.que.total.net [205.236.100.157]) by bretweir.total.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA03833; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 17:30:01 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199801052230.RAA03833@bretweir.total.net> From: "J.Paul Dinan" To: "WantA ZX6" , , Subject: Re: Synthetic Oil....how???? Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 17:30:01 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 >I just passed 5000 miles on my TL and want to switch to synthetic oil. Can >anyone give me a step by step "guide" on how to properly do it? Step 1: Don't ! endof then: goto 1 ======================================= J. Paul Dinan "Biker-Scum with an attitude" ~¶8= (Canadian beaver with goggles & hat) ICQ #6485455, member "Instant-Messenger", "People-Link" GSXF750, FJ1200, EX500 Quebec, Qc: http://www.tourisme.gouv.qc.ca/anglais/home_a.html Where it's summer from July 30th to August 1st. ============================================ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 5 17:58:20 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA28077; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 17:58:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA08371; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 17:58:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from bconnex.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA19538; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 17:57:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from campbell.bconnex.net (pm9-48.barrie.connex.net [209.5.14.48]) by bconnex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA24355; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 17:55:09 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199801052255.RAA24355@bconnex.net> From: "Don Campbell" To: "BAILEY JOHN C, CAPT" , , , "'WantA ZX6'" Subject: Re: Synthetic Oil....how???? Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 17:58:49 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit for info on synthetic oil see: http:/tempest.ece.uiuc.edu/~cburian/mc/oil/ Don Campbell campbell@XXXXXX ---------- > From: BAILEY JOHN C, CAPT > To: suzuki-l@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX; 'WantA ZX6' > Subject: RE: Synthetic Oil....how???? > Date: Monday, January 05, 1998 1:57 PM > > Just change the oil and filter. Mixing is no problem. I've switched back > and forth for years (as $ allow). > > My dad uses 20/50 Spectro Golden exclusively in all his bikes (after break > in) - including a 90 GSXR 1100 with 35000 miles including 4 years of Willow > Springs Racing. The only internal engine work ever has been valve > adjustments and a new clutch. > > Of course (just to stir the pot a little) MCN says synthetic is a waste of > money. > > > ---------- > > From: WantA ZX6[SMTP:WantAZX6@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Monday, January 05, 1998 9:48 AM > > To: suzuki-l@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Synthetic Oil....how???? > > > > I just passed 5000 miles on my TL and want to switch to synthetic oil. > > Can > > anyone give me a step by step "guide" on how to properly do it? I have > > heard > > that it is bad for synthetics to mix with leftover petroleum oil. Fact or > > fiction? Also, what weight should I use? Suggestions on brands? > > > > Thanks > > Jack > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 5 18:06:01 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA28221; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 18:06:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA08468; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 18:05:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from bconnex.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA19734; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 18:05:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from campbell.bconnex.net (pm9-48.barrie.connex.net [209.5.14.48]) by bconnex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA26257; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 18:03:09 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199801052303.SAA26257@bconnex.net> From: "Don Campbell" To: "J.Paul Dinan" , "WantA ZX6" , , Subject: Re: Synthetic Oil....how???? Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 18:06:45 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Just my 2 cents, I have a very experienced motorcycle mechanic, 60 years of age who has been a wrench his entire life, he says there is absolutely no reason to use synthetic oil in a motorcycle engine. He looks after many bikes and wont let any of use anything but Sunoco Ultra 10 w 40 or 10 w 50 depending on the season. This guy is extremely opinionated, and I expect every mechanic has his own pet oil, I spoke to another mechanic who says only Castrol , if you want anything else "bring your own oil". It is worth noting that both these mechanics work mostly on touring rigs and not hi reving sport bikes. Don Campbell campbell@XXXXXX ---------- > From: J.Paul Dinan > To: WantA ZX6 ; suzuki-l@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Synthetic Oil....how???? > Date: Monday, January 05, 1998 5:30 PM > > > > >I just passed 5000 miles on my TL and want to switch to synthetic > oil. Can > >anyone give me a step by step "guide" on how to properly do it? > > Step 1: Don't ! > endof > then: goto 1 > > ======================================= > J. Paul Dinan "Biker-Scum with an attitude" > ~¶8= (Canadian beaver with goggles & hat) > ICQ #6485455, member "Instant-Messenger", "People-Link" > GSXF750, FJ1200, EX500 > Quebec, Qc: http://www.tourisme.gouv.qc.ca/anglais/home_a.html > Where it's summer from July 30th to August 1st. > ============================================ > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 5 20:54:47 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA00447; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 20:54:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA09317; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 20:54:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA23346; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 20:54:29 -0500 (EST) From: shephar1@XXXXXX Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id TAA06555 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 19:53:54 -0600 (CST) Received: from mar-wv3-61.ix.netcom.com(206.217.114.125) by dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma006500; Mon Jan 5 19:53:10 1998 Message-ID: <34B1A199.4859@ix.netcom.com> Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 19:14:33 -0800 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-NC320 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Saturday ride maybe? References: <19980105143526.WECI6587@[166.41.242.141]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Todd Peer wrote: > The roads suck out west (VA) folks. There is sand and gravel mixed with > salt, in heavy doses on some of the finer roads. As Collin put it, > "it's hard to find your line with just 24 inches of road to work with." > > I think the winter riding season will need to be toned down to local > roads (heavily travelled), or we should hope for a couple of really > heavy rainstorms in the mountains. You are not kidding about the roads out here, I had the opportunity to ride to work today, From Inwood WV, right off I 81, to around Dulles Airport. Anyway big mistake, The bike , a 96 HD XLH1200 was covered in Mud, gravel from my driveway, and about 1/2" of Salt. Plus the place I went to today had dumped enough sand/salt mixture on the parking lot to fill a swimming pool. anyway, just spent three hours washing the bloody thing off. I just have to get another bike for the bad weather, this one is just a pain to keep clean in this weather, too many nooks and crannies. Hopefully the forecast for rain, will clean things up in time for the weekend. Ken.... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 5 23:38:15 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA02027; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 23:38:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA10070; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 23:38:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA25643; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 23:37:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA12296; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 23:33:39 -0500 Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 23:31:21 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Sender: "Gil M. Nissley" Reply-To: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: what a lame problem... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII While we're on the subject of not checking up on things,I ran across a scary story on the web.It illustrates just how important it is to keep up on your bike.This guy was lucky. Check it out at: http://www.motorworld.com/features97/hungry_nut/Welcome.html The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 5 23:42:45 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA02105; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 23:42:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA10107; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 23:42:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA25715; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 23:42:37 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA12316; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 23:38:25 -0500 Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 23:33:56 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Starting idiosyncracies [was: Success!] To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <28eb043d.34b0dbe6@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 5 Jan 1998, Jinn Sinn wrote: > I even drive a car better now............. ^^^^^^^^^^^ Young lady!Watch your language!This is a family list! ;-) The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 6 07:26:59 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA05951; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 07:26:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA12555; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 07:25:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from dadc012.army.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA00651; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 07:25:47 -0500 (EST) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 07:27:32 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: Don Campbell , "J.Paul Dinan" , WantA ZX6 , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Synthetic Oil....how???? Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 07:02:07 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Well unfortunately I have to disagree with your friend no matter how long he has been turning a wrench. First of all, if anything it has been proven that synthetics flow better in the cold weather. This at least makes for less wear on your starter and battery because it doesn't have to move oil that is as thick as molasses. Secondly I have had vehicles that have used only dino oils and ones that have only used synthetics. You want to guess which ones are cleaner inside the engine (at least under the valve covers)? And thirdly, all oil manufactures agree that a range of 10w-40 or 10w-50 is bad. The reason is that oils with this kind of range require lots of polymers and as the oil FAQ says "polymers can shear and burn forming deposits that can cause ring sticking and other problems". Almost all automobile manufactures warn against using a 10w-40 weight. Of course synthetics are not included in this. Maybe it hasn't been proven well enough that synthetics decrease engine wear less then dino oil but from my use of both types I'm sticking with synthetics, namely Mobil 1. Glenn Dysart DysarGB@XXXXXX dysart@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna > Just my 2 cents, I have a very experienced motorcycle mechanic, 60 > years > of age who has been a wrench his entire life, he says there is > absolutely > no reason to use synthetic oil in a motorcycle engine. > He looks after many bikes and wont let any of use anything but Sunoco > Ultra > 10 w 40 or 10 w 50 > depending on the season. > > This guy is extremely opinionated, and I expect every mechanic has his > own > pet oil, I spoke to another > mechanic who says only Castrol , if you want anything else "bring your > own > oil". > It is worth noting that both these mechanics work mostly on touring > rigs > and not hi reving > sport bikes. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 6 07:29:35 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA05978; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 07:29:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA12563; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 07:29:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from zip1.ziplink.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA00671; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 07:29:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (holm@localhost) by zip1.ziplink.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id HAA11959 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 07:29:57 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 07:29:57 -0500 (EST) From: Julie Holm To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: MSF course In-Reply-To: <199801060000.TAA08827@tove.cs.umd.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I'll probably be organizing an ERC, like I did a couple of years ago, for the "Mid Atlantic DoD". Lots of folks have recommended MSF courses, let me know if you are interested in being in this one. (At Northern Virginia Community College in Sterling) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 6 07:42:16 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA06079; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 07:42:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA12598; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 07:42:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from zip1.ziplink.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA00808; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 07:42:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (holm@localhost) by zip1.ziplink.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id HAA12233; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 07:43:00 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 07:43:00 -0500 (EST) From: Julie Holm To: Jane Loyless cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re:MSF basic VS experienced In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980106073833.00a47c20@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII The First two years I rode I wintered the bike December through February. The first year was brutally cold with lots of snow, so no big deal. The second year there were more than a dozen good days. This year I have NOT wintered the bike! On Tue, 6 Jan 1998, Jane Loyless wrote: > At 07:27 AM 1/6/98 -0500, Julie Holm wrote: > > >Do you ride over the winter? If not, I'd wait till next spring to take > >the ERC! If you DO ride over the winter, then taking it in the fall could > >be good. > > > > I'm in SC, so winter is not really an issue. Thanks for the thought though! > > Jane > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 6 08:42:00 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA06583; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 08:42:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA13132; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 08:41:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from xcgca011.northgrum.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA01488; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 08:41:26 -0500 (EST) Received: by XCGCA011 with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 05:42:11 -0800 Message-ID: <11D743514607D011A15500805FEA3464A45D97@xcgva001.grumman.com> From: "Meier, Christopher" To: Don Campbell , "J.Paul Dinan" , WantA ZX6 , dc-cycles@XXXXXX, "'Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN'" Subject: RE: Synthetic Oil....how???? Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 05:41:49 -0800 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain > ---------- > From: Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN[SMTP:Dysart@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 1998 7:02 AM > To: Don Campbell; J.Paul Dinan; WantA ZX6; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Synthetic Oil....how???? > > Well unfortunately I have to disagree with your friend no matter how > long he has been turning a wrench. First of all, if anything it has > been proven that synthetics flow better in the cold weather. This at > least makes for less wear on your starter and battery because it > doesn't > have to move oil that is as thick as molasses. Secondly I have had > vehicles that have used only dino oils and ones that have only used > synthetics. You want to guess which ones are cleaner inside the > engine > (at least under the valve covers)? > I have been using Castrol synthetic blend in the RF900 since about 5k miles (it has about 20k now), with great results. Shifts a bit smoother, better cold weather starting, etc. Only down side is the extra $$$ each change, but that seems like a small price to pay for reduced engine wear, IMHO. > And thirdly, all oil manufactures > agree that a range of 10w-40 or 10w-50 is bad. The reason is that > oils > with this kind of range require lots of polymers and as the oil FAQ > says > "polymers can shear and burn forming deposits that can cause ring > sticking and other problems". Almost all automobile manufactures warn > against using a 10w-40 weight. Of course synthetics are not included > in > this. > Hmmm. Maybe they should tell Suzuki. Etched into my RF900's crankcase, right below to the oil cap is "USE 10W-40 OIL" As always, YMMV and probably does, chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 6 10:28:27 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08004; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 10:28:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA14733; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 10:28:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA03727; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 10:28:16 -0500 (EST) From: RDWOODJR Message-ID: <7a2f07a0.34b24d20@aol.com> Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 10:26:22 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Synthetic Oil....how???? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) << I just passed 5000 miles on my TL and want to switch to synthetic oil. Can anyone give me a step by step "guide" on how to properly do it? I have heard that it is bad for synthetics to mix with leftover petroleum oil. Fact or fiction? Also, what weight should I use? Suggestions on brands? Thanks Jack >> I'm going to get flamed for this, but I don't care. Here's my 2 cents on oil after using and selling motorcycle specific dino & synthetic oils. I feel very passionate about this, so maybe I've been brain-washed working for motorcycle dealers for 22 years (until 6 months ago). Oil is the life-blood of your engine. Not all bikes benefit from *expensive* motorcycle-specific synthetic (or dino) oils. A 600cc sportbike produces about 100hp from 36 cubic inches of displacement at 13,000rpm. With transmission loads an engineer can only dream of while doing WFO no-clutch shifts. An average (ok, there really no such thing as average outside of statistics) automobile may have more like 160hp from 190ci at 5-6,000rpm. With a separate transmission with it's own source of lubrication. The motocycle may reach oil temperatures of 250-300+ degrees (sitting in traffic or WFO on a hot day). The auto about 50 degrees less. So which vehicle is harder on it's oil? Here's another one, a 125cc (7.5ci) motocrosser puts out 38-40hp. Racers don't use cheap oil. But I've seen the result of kids using 2 cycle oil bought from sources other than the bike shops. Sold them lots of engine rebuild parts. So, when a customer would come in the shop, and be repulsed at $3.49/qt oil for the $9,000 motocycle he owns, even after I tried to explain that m/c specific oil was _the cheapest insurance they would ever buy_, and did't buy, I would just say to myself, "dealers aren't making much money on oil, it just seems to be a good idea to spend that $14 twice a year". Some would say, "ya, I use car oil, but change it every 500 miles". Lets see, $.99/qt X 4= $3.96. Done 4 times more often= dumbdadumbdumb. Of course everyone has their own results and methods. But why do some feel it neccessary to save a few dollars on such an important thing as engine oil? And I don't care what MCN said (I subscribe also). I've sold a lot of parts in my day. 25% to service departments, so I know what goes wrong with motorcycle engines. Now, did I tell anyone they had to buy motorcycle-specific oils? Does anyone think it's a good idea? So, should Jack switch to synthetic? I say yes. Jack, use Honda HP4. Excellent stuff, and used by more techs than any other brand I know. Do it, spend the $$, you like your bike, right? Do you regret spending $30 food, gas, dining out? There, now that's off my chest. Now, the dissenters can let me have it. Richard Wood From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 6 11:51:37 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA09257; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 11:51:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA15518; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 11:51:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp4.ny.us.ibm.COM by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA05815; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 11:51:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay1.server.ibm.com (relay1.server.ibm.com [9.14.2.98]) by smtp4.ny.us.ibm.COM (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA11306 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 11:51:39 -0500 Received: from US.IBM.COM (d04lms01.raleigh.ibm.com [9.37.164.193]) by relay1.server.ibm.com (8.8.7/8.7) with SMTP id LAA19700 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 11:49:51 -0500 Received: by US.IBM.COM (Soft-Switch LMS 2.0) with snapi via D04AU003 id 5040100013103734; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 11:53:31 -0500 From: Tom Knapik To: Subject: Re: Synthetic Oil....how???? Message-ID: <5040100013103734000002L042*@MHS> Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 11:53:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Don't hold back Richard, tell us how you really feel :-) OK, I'm sold on synthetic oils..........is it too late to switch over my 30K Honda CX650? ---------------------- Forwarded by Tom Knapik/Bethesda/IBM on 01-06-98 11:41 AM --------------------------- RDWOODJR@XXXXXX on 01-06-98 11:41:26 AM Please respond to RDWOODJR@XXXXXX @ internet snip: << Can anyone give me a step by step "guide" on how to properly do it? I have heard that it is bad for synthetics to mix with leftover petroleum oil. Fact or fiction? >> snip I'm going to get flamed for this, but I don't care. Here's my 2 cents on oil after using and selling motorcycle specific dino & synthetic oils. I feel very passionate about this, so maybe I've been brain-washed working for motorcycle dealers for 22 years (until 6 months ago). Now, did I tell anyone they had to buy motorcycle-specific oils? Does anyone think it's a good idea? So, should Jack switch to synthetic? I say yes. Jack, use Honda HP4. Excellent stuff, and used by more techs than any other brand I know. Do it, spend the $$, you like your bike, right? Do you regret spending $30 food, gas, dining out? There, now that's off my chest. Now, the dissenters can let me have it. Richard Wood >> snip Regards, Tom Knapik E-mail: knapik@XXXXXX Phone: (301) 803-2417, tie-262-2417 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 6 13:16:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA10504; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 13:16:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA17625; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 13:16:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA08061; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 13:16:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id NAA04111; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 13:15:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (nmta2.mcit.com [166.37.172.3]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id NAA31664; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 13:15:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mci.com ([166.32.114.127]) by nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with ESMTP id <19980106181541.HOYA6587@XXXXXX>; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 13:15:41 -0500 Message-ID: <34B274C8.5FB95B15@mci.com> Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 13:15:36 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Reply-To: Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tom Knapik CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Synthetic Oil....how???? References: <5040100013103734000002L042*@MHS> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tom, Well, I hope not. I just switched over my 30k 1978 Kawasaki KZ 1000 LTD two weeks ago. I'm glad that I did. Improvements are subtle, but present nonetheless. Improved cold weather starting is greatly appreciated this time of year. :-) Dale (the Horkster) 1978 Kawasaki KZ1000 LTD 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 Tom Knapik wrote: > OK, I'm sold on synthetic oils..........is it too late to switch over my 30K > Honda CX650? > > ---------------------- Forwarded by Tom Knapik/Bethesda/IBM on 01-06-98 11:41 AM > --------------------------- > > RDWOODJR@XXXXXX on 01-06-98 11:41:26 AM > Please respond to RDWOODJR@XXXXXX @ internet > > snip: > << > Can > anyone give me a step by step "guide" on how to properly do it? I have heard > that it is bad for synthetics to mix with leftover petroleum oil. Fact or > fiction? > >> > snip > I'm going to get flamed for this, but I don't care. Here's my 2 cents on oil > after using and selling motorcycle specific dino & synthetic oils. I feel very > passionate about this, so maybe I've been brain-washed working for motorcycle > dealers for 22 years (until 6 months ago). > > Now, did I tell anyone they had to buy motorcycle-specific oils? > Does anyone think it's a good idea? > So, should Jack switch to synthetic? > I say yes. > > Jack, use Honda HP4. Excellent stuff, and used by more techs than any other > brand I know. > Do it, spend the $$, you like your bike, right? Do you regret spending $30 > food, gas, dining out? > There, now that's off my chest. > > Now, the dissenters can let me have it. > > Richard Wood > >> > snip > > Regards, > Tom Knapik > E-mail: knapik@XXXXXX > Phone: (301) 803-2417, tie-262-2417 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 6 18:42:58 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA16253; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 18:42:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA25036; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 18:42:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA16938; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 18:42:09 -0500 (EST) From: RDWOODJR Message-ID: <8747a3d8.34b2bbe8@aol.com> Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 18:19:02 EST To: knapik@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Synthetic Oil....how???? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) << Don't hold back Richard, tell us how you really feel :-) OK, I'm sold on synthetic oils..........is it too late to switch over my 30K Honda CX650? >> Yes, it could be too late. Synthetics can (and do, from what I've seen) promote oil leaks in motorcycle engines with more than 20-25,000 miles. But those are just my observations. Do you want to be a pioneer and try it? I wouldn't. Sorry, thats my opinion. Richard Wood From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 6 19:01:34 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA16440; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 19:01:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA25393; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 19:01:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA17307; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 19:00:57 -0500 (EST) From: RDWOODJR Message-ID: Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 18:39:06 EST To: Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Synthetic Oil....how???? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) << I just switched over my 30k 1978 Kawasaki KZ 1000 LTD two weeks ago. I'm glad that I did. Improvements are subtle, but present nonetheless. Improved cold weather starting is greatly appreciated this time of year. :-) Horkster >> Glad to see your results. Most of the oil leaks from puting synthetic oils in, er, mature engines come only from the counter shaft, kick start, and shift shaft seals. All easily replaced if you know how. But, if the altenator/generator seal leaks, you won't know it right away. Lets ask Leon what oils he has used in his CX500 & CX650's. I never sold him any motorcycle-specific oil, so I can only guess that he has good results with something else. I know he has an opinion. And it probably differs from mine. Maybe I have been *conditioned*. The wife sure seems to get what she wants. I'll bet Sweakers has an angle on that also. But I could play her like a slide rule (used one in engineering in college, hope they're history), if I took the time. Gee, I get off-track easily. keep Horking, (the mind runs amok on that connotation). Richard From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 6 20:19:26 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA17069; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 20:19:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA25810; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 20:18:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp3.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA18852; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 20:18:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from default (abr-as7s25.erols.com [207.172.153.88]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA26322 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 20:19:39 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199801070119.UAA26322@smtp3.erols.com> Reply-To: From: "Mr. Bill" To: Subject: Re: MSF course Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 20:16:49 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Julie! > I'll probably be organizing an ERC, like I did a couple of years ago, for > the "Mid Atlantic DoD". Lots of folks have recommended MSF courses, > let me know if you are interested in being in this one. "Ms. Safety" strikes again! :-) Sorry, I'm saving my school money for CLASS next. Cheers, -- Mr. Bill -- DoD #0224, UB #8, MS #2 Ubi non accusator, ibi non judex denizen@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 6 20:46:45 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA17281; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 20:46:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA25915; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 20:46:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.mnsinc.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA19199; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 20:46:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay.mnsinc.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA01049 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 20:46:19 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <34B30903.EAE@mnsinc.com> Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 20:48:03 -0800 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Synthetic vs Dino References: <199801070000.TAA25239@tove.cs.umd.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Gang, I'll throw in my two dracmas (sp?) on the oil debate. I was always suspicious of synthetic oil, until I started reading some of the literature - re Oil FAQ. I put synthetic in the 'ole Interceptor, which had ~20K on it last year and all of a suddensk, my clutch started slipping! Yeah, I bummed ! Then I rebuilt the clutch - not the steel plates though - and had no more problems. I'm not sure if it added to overall smmothness, but it did seem more easy to shift gears. BTW, I was advised to run a blend of synth/dino by Dennis of Crossroads Cycle. He did not feel there was any problem in doing so, although I don't remember what ratio he might have specified. This whole thread was batted about on the VF/VFR list at least twice in the last two years. If anyone is really interested, the URL (archive/search) to learn more may be found here: JK From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 6 22:33:19 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA18360; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 22:33:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA26309; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 22:33:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA20898; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 22:33:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.145] (unverified [207.226.128.145]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Tue, 06 Jan 1998 22:38:01 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Synthetic Oil....how???? Date: Tue, 6 Jan 98 22:33:05 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "RDWOODJR" , cc: "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >But I could play her like a slide >rule (used one in engineering in college, hope they're history) Slide rule? That's the thing with the ladder attached to a ramp, right? -George From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 7 07:25:19 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA23702; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 07:25:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA29893; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 07:25:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA28282; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 07:25:01 -0500 (EST) Received: by hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD1B3D.00FDF400@XXXXXX>; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 07:22:25 -0500 Message-ID: From: To: , , Cc: Subject: RE: Synthetic Oil....how???? Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 07:22:25 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 19 TEXT No-no. It's the rule in softball where no player is allowed to slide into base head first - it must be feet first. "There are 2 types of computer users in the world: Those that have lost data and those that are going to....." ---------- From: George Howell[SMTP:ghowell@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 1998 10:33 PM To: RDWOODJR; Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX Cc: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Synthetic Oil....how???? >But I could play her like a slide >rule (used one in engineering in college, hope they're history) Slide rule? That's the thing with the ladder attached to a ramp, right? -George From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 7 08:19:26 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA24153; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 08:19:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA00247; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 08:19:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from dadc012.army.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA29639; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 08:19:06 -0500 (EST) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 08:20:59 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: DC Cycles Subject: RE: Synthetic Oil....how???? Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 07:23:16 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) This is just another one of those "myths" about synthetic oils. I haven't switched a whole lot of bikes over from dino at high mileage but I have cars and haven't had any leaks. Glenn Dysart DysarGB@XXXXXX dysart@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna > Yes, it could be too late. Synthetics can (and do, from what I've > seen) > promote oil leaks in motorcycle engines with more than 20-25,000 > miles. But > those are just my observations. Do you want to be a pioneer and try > it? I > wouldn't. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 7 08:40:45 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA24442; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 08:40:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA00380; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 08:40:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from draco.eisi.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA29995; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 08:40:28 -0500 (EST) Received: by draco.eisi.com; id IAA21935; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 08:57:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from unknown(10.3.1.4) by draco.eisi.com via smap (3.2) id xma021933; Wed, 7 Jan 98 08:57:30 -0500 Received: by hrnexch1.eisi.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 08:41:09 -0500 Message-ID: <7F151D3C3920D111859A080009D806396E6C0D@hrnexch1.eisi.com> From: "Whiteside, John" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Synthetic Oil....how???? Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 08:41:07 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Anybody have any first-hand experience with this? I was thinking about switching my 82 CX500 (~33K) over to synthetic next oil change.... --John Whiteside > -----Original Message----- > From: RDWOODJR [SMTP:RDWOODJR@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 1998 6:19 PM > To: knapik@XXXXXX > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Synthetic Oil....how???? > > << > Don't hold back Richard, tell us how you really feel :-) > OK, I'm sold on synthetic oils..........is it too late to switch over > my 30K > Honda CX650? >> > > Yes, it could be too late. Synthetics can (and do, from what I've > seen) > promote oil leaks in motorcycle engines with more than 20-25,000 > miles. But > those are just my observations. Do you want to be a pioneer and try > it? I > wouldn't. > > Sorry, thats my opinion. > Richard Wood From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 7 08:43:19 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA24474; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 08:43:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA00398; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 08:43:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp3.ny.us.ibm.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA00073; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 08:43:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.server.ibm.com (relay2.server.ibm.com [9.14.2.99]) by smtp3.ny.us.ibm.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA25476 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 08:39:55 -0500 Received: from US.IBM.COM (d04lms01.raleigh.ibm.com [9.37.164.193]) by relay2.server.ibm.com (8.8.7/8.7) with SMTP id IAA52406 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 08:40:42 -0500 Received: by US.IBM.COM (Soft-Switch LMS 2.0) with snapi via D04AU003 id 5040100013150766; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 08:45:14 -0500 From: Tom Knapik To: Subject: Re: Synthetic Oil....how???? Message-ID: <5040100013150766000002L062*@MHS> Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 08:45:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Hmmmmmmmm, I think I'll just stick to frequent dino changes. Regards, Tom Knapik E-mail: knapik@XXXXXX Phone: (301) 803-2417, tie-262-2417 ---------------------- Forwarded by Tom Knapik/Bethesda/IBM on 01-07-98 08:36 AM --------------------------- RDWOODJR@XXXXXX on 01-06-98 07:03:03 PM Please respond to RDWOODJR@XXXXXX @ internet To: Tom Knapik/Bethesda/IBM@ibmus cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX @ internet Subject: Re: Synthetic Oil....how???? << Don't hold back Richard, tell us how you really feel :-) OK, I'm sold on synthetic oils..........is it too late to switch over my 30K Honda CX650? >> Yes, it could be too late. Synthetics can (and do, from what I've seen) promote oil leaks in motorcycle engines with more than 20-25,000 miles. But those are just my observations. Do you want to be a pioneer and try it? I wouldn't. Sorry, thats my opinion. Richard Wood From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 7 09:16:37 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA24941; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 09:16:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA00785; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 09:15:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA00793; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 09:15:45 -0500 (EST) From: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX Received: by ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.1 (385.6 5-6-1997)) id 85256585.004E3765 ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 09:14:19 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMSINC To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256585.004D88D7.00@ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com> Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 09:14:49 -0500 Subject: RE: Synthetic Oil....how???? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; Boundary="0__=KaHxUIT1h1SCjGZkHTKhCJRQ8fdfyvIL32v5CTjrZfH9Xsccgv759KfC" --0__=KaHxUIT1h1SCjGZkHTKhCJRQ8fdfyvIL32v5CTjrZfH9Xsccgv759KfC Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I agree with Richard here. Because synthetic oils can get into tighter places more easily than regular oils, any leaks you have now may get bigger. I have a slight leak on my 30K mile GS 750L that got a tad bigger when I switched to synthetic Castrol. Its at the base of the leftmost (FIF) cylinder...must be a loose headbolt or something...anyway, even on a 5 hour trip I only lose about 10 drops of oil, usually on my boots. But the slight oil loss is worth to added lubrication to me. The advantage to synthetics is that they can deliver better lubrication than standard oils given any thickness of oil film. That means all those crank journals, all those rod bearings, all those cam shafts will receive just as much oil, but be better lubricated, especially on areas that receive only small amounts of oil. My opinion (for what its worth)...if you have a very slight leak, still switch to synthetics...if the leak is bigger, then you should take care of the leak first and not worry about the type of oil you have. If you don't have a leak, then try the synthetics (you don't have to stick with it...but just one try might make you a believer). -Doug '81 GS 750L douglas_brashear@XXXXXX (Embedded image moved "Whiteside, John" at to file: AMS-Internet PIC01517.PCX) 01/07/98 08:49 AM To: dc-cycles @ cs.umd.edu at AMS-Internet@CCMAIL cc: (bcc: Douglas Brashear/AMS/AMSINC) Subject: RE: Synthetic Oil....how???? Anybody have any first-hand experience with this? I was thinking about switching my 82 CX500 (~33K) over to synthetic next oil change.... --John Whiteside > -----Original Message----- > From: RDWOODJR [SMTP:RDWOODJR@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 1998 6:19 PM > To: knapik@XXXXXX > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Synthetic Oil....how???? > > << > Don't hold back Richard, tell us how you really feel :-) > OK, I'm sold on synthetic oils..........is it too late to switch over > my 30K > Honda CX650? >> > > Yes, it could be too late. Synthetics can (and do, from what I've > seen) > promote oil leaks in motorcycle engines with more than 20-25,000 > miles. But > those are just my observations. Do you want to be a pioneer and try > it? 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Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 10:13:31 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain The weather looks like it will be ok Sunday, although a bit cooler. Does anyone want to get together a ride? I wanted to ride Saturday but my sis just got engaged - YAY - & I'll be doing the bridesmaid dress hunt all day Saturday. : ( - Jeannette P.S. I'm liking this rain riding!! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 7 10:34:25 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA26053; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 10:34:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA01382; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 10:34:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from dadc012.army.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA02469; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 10:34:06 -0500 (EST) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 10:36:15 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "Whiteside, John" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Synthetic Oil....how???? Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 08:54:12 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Do it, you won't regret it except for maybe the higher cost of the oil itself. Glenn Dysart DysarGB@XXXXXX dysart@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna > -----Original Message----- > From: Whiteside, John [SMTP:jwhiteside@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 1998 8:41 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Synthetic Oil....how???? > > Anybody have any first-hand experience with this? I was thinking about > switching my 82 CX500 (~33K) over to synthetic next oil change.... > > --John Whiteside > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: RDWOODJR [SMTP:RDWOODJR@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 1998 6:19 PM > > To: knapik@XXXXXX > > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Re: Synthetic Oil....how???? > > > > << > > Don't hold back Richard, tell us how you really feel :-) > > OK, I'm sold on synthetic oils..........is it too late to switch > over > > my 30K > > Honda CX650? >> > > > > Yes, it could be too late. Synthetics can (and do, from what I've > > seen) > > promote oil leaks in motorcycle engines with more than 20-25,000 > > miles. But > > those are just my observations. Do you want to be a pioneer and try > > it? I > > wouldn't. > > > > Sorry, thats my opinion. > > Richard Wood From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 7 10:34:52 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA26066; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 10:34:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA01404; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 10:34:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from dadc012.army.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA02500; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 10:34:38 -0500 (EST) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 10:36:47 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: Tom Knapik , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Synthetic Oil....how???? Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 09:08:36 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) I bet if we compared the cleanliness of the insides of our engines you would change your mind. Go with synthetic, jump out of the dinosaur age of dino oils! Glenn Dysart DysarGB@XXXXXX dysart@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna (over 25,000 synthetic miles with no leaks, no engine, clutch, or transmission failures) > Hmmmmmmmm, I think I'll just stick to frequent dino changes. > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 7 10:43:01 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA26175; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 10:43:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA01490; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 10:42:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp4.ny.us.ibm.COM by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA02695; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 10:42:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.server.ibm.com (relay2.server.ibm.com [9.14.2.99]) by smtp4.ny.us.ibm.COM (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA43302; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 10:43:03 -0500 Received: from US.IBM.COM (d04lms01.raleigh.ibm.com [9.37.164.193]) by relay2.server.ibm.com (8.8.7/8.7) with SMTP id KAA32030; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 10:40:15 -0500 Received: by US.IBM.COM (Soft-Switch LMS 2.0) with snapi via D04AU003 id 5040100013158569; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 10:44:47 -0500 From: Tom Knapik To: , Subject: RE: Synthetic Oil....how???? Message-ID: <5040100013158569000002L092*@MHS> Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 10:44:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain OK, let's suppose I do decide to change over. Do the two mix? Can I just start using synthetic oil or do I need to flush the engine first? Is there anything special I'd need to do? The CX650 doesn't leak now, so MAYBE ya'll have just talked me into making the BIG leap. Regards, Tom Knapik E-mail: knapik@XXXXXX Phone: (301) 803-2417, tie-262-2417 ---------------------- Forwarded by Tom Knapik/Bethesda/IBM on 01-07-98 10:35 AM --------------------------- Dysart@XXXXXX on 01-07-98 10:36:25 AM Please respond to Dysart@XXXXXX @ internet To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX @ internet, Tom Knapik/Bethesda/IBM@ibmus cc: Subject: RE: Synthetic Oil....how???? I bet if we compared the cleanliness of the insides of our engines you would change your mind. Go with synthetic, jump out of the dinosaur age of dino oils! Glenn Dysart DysarGB@XXXXXX dysart@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna (over 25,000 synthetic miles with no leaks, no engine, clutch, or transmission failures) > Hmmmmmmmm, I think I'll just stick to frequent dino changes. > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 7 10:50:14 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA26338; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 10:50:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA01552; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 10:49:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from goliath.intelsol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA02887; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 10:49:52 -0500 (EST) From: sbeck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.06 (346.8 3-18-1997)) id 85256585.00576C80 ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 10:54:54 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: jlobrien@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256585.00551C20.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 10:32:55 -0400 Subject: Re: Ride Sunday (?) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII P.S. I'm liking this rain riding!! Jeannette, if you like riding in the rain, then you definitely belong in the hard core biker catagory! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 7 10:54:19 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA26408; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 10:54:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA01641; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 10:54:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA03002; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 10:54:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com by mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (8.8.8/McCaw V8 version 1) id HAA25054; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 07:53:36 -0800 (PST) Received: by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id HAA16979; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 07:53:36 -0800 Received: from hq_msg01.nwest.mccaw.com by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id HAA16973; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 07:53:34 -0800 Received: by hq_msg01.nwest.mccaw.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD1B41.596E7FC0@XXXXXX>; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 07:53:32 -0800 Message-ID: From: "Viteri, Ursulina" To: "'O'Brien, Jeannette'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Ride Sunday (?) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 07:50:22 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 22 TEXT Hi Jeannette, Sign me up for Sunday, but could we start around noon or a little later? Ursulina Viteri 202-416-6534 * Fax 202-223-9095 AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. - Washington, DC >-----Original Message----- >From: O'Brien, Jeannette [SMTP:jlobrien@XXXXXX] >Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 1998 7:14 AM >To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' >Subject: Ride Sunday (?) > >The weather looks like it will be ok Sunday, although a bit cooler. >Does anyone want to get together a ride? I wanted to ride Saturday but >my sis just got engaged - YAY - & I'll be doing the bridesmaid dress >hunt all day Saturday. : ( > >- Jeannette > >P.S. I'm liking this rain riding!! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 7 11:08:58 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA26577; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 11:08:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA01887; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 11:08:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA03426; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 11:08:44 -0500 (EST) Received: by hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD1B5C.41197310@XXXXXX>; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 11:06:07 -0500 Message-ID: From: To: , Subject: RE: Ride Sunday (?) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 11:06:06 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 37 TEXT Me too if it's after noon or later. Dale, you may have to kiss up to your mother-in-law if you thinking of joining us so that she can watch the kids. "There are 2 types of computer users in the world: Those that have lost data and those that are going to....." ---------- From: Viteri, Ursulina[SMTP:ursulina.viteri@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 1998 10:50 AM To: 'O'Brien, Jeannette'; 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' Subject: RE: Ride Sunday (?) Hi Jeannette, Sign me up for Sunday, but could we start around noon or a little later? Ursulina Viteri 202-416-6534 * Fax 202-223-9095 AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. - Washington, DC >-----Original Message----- >From: O'Brien, Jeannette [SMTP:jlobrien@XXXXXX] >Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 1998 7:14 AM >To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' >Subject: Ride Sunday (?) > >The weather looks like it will be ok Sunday, although a bit cooler. >Does anyone want to get together a ride? I wanted to ride Saturday but >my sis just got engaged - YAY - & I'll be doing the bridesmaid dress >hunt all day Saturday. : ( > >- Jeannette > >P.S. I'm liking this rain riding!! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 7 11:12:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA26656; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 11:12:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA01929; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 11:12:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA03549; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 11:12:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay2.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id LAA12043; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 11:12:25 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 11:11:10 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D34F3F2@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX'" , "O'Brien, Jeannette" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Ride Sunday (?) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 11:10:08 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Ok, boys, this is looking like a girls' ride. We need some love slaves to go with us! Where are you all!!?? - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX [SMTP:tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 1998 11:06 AM > To: jlobrien@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Ride Sunday (?) > > Me too if it's after noon or later. Dale, you may have to kiss up to > your > mother-in-law if you thinking of joining us so that she can watch the > kids. > "There are 2 types of computer users in the world: > Those that have lost data > and those that are going to....." > > ---------- > From: Viteri, Ursulina[SMTP:ursulina.viteri@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 1998 10:50 AM > To: 'O'Brien, Jeannette'; 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > Subject: RE: Ride Sunday (?) > > Hi Jeannette, > > Sign me up for Sunday, but could we start around noon or a little > later? > > Ursulina Viteri > 202-416-6534 * Fax 202-223-9095 > AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. - Washington, DC > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: O'Brien, Jeannette [SMTP:jlobrien@XXXXXX] > >Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 1998 7:14 AM > >To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > >Subject: Ride Sunday (?) > > > >The weather looks like it will be ok Sunday, although a bit cooler. > >Does anyone want to get together a ride? I wanted to ride Saturday > but > >my sis just got engaged - YAY - & I'll be doing the bridesmaid dress > >hunt all day Saturday. : ( > > > >- Jeannette > > > >P.S. I'm liking this rain riding!! > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 7 11:29:05 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA27023; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 11:29:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA02093; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 11:28:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA03992; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 11:28:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id KAA11166; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 10:27:15 -0600 (CST) Received: from imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid02.mcit.com [166.37.221.14]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id LAA28361; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 11:27:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mci.com ([166.32.114.127]) by imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with ESMTP id <19980107162712.NXEG28757@XXXXXX>; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 10:27:12 -0600 Message-ID: <34B3ACD6.6309BB37@mci.com> Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 11:27:02 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Reply-To: Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" CC: "'tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Ursulina Viteri Subject: Re: Ride Sunday (?) References: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D34F3F2@badge.tuckerflyer.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It looks like this love slave will be at home watching the kids. Wait! Football playoffs will be on this weekend... You girls have a good time! *wink* Dale (the Horkster) O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: > Ok, boys, this is looking like a girls' ride. We need some love slaves > to go with us! Where are you all!!?? > > - Jeannette > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX [SMTP:tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 1998 11:06 AM > > To: jlobrien@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: RE: Ride Sunday (?) > > > > Me too if it's after noon or later. Dale, you may have to kiss up to > > your > > mother-in-law if you thinking of joining us so that she can watch the > > kids. > > "There are 2 types of computer users in the world: > > Those that have lost data > > and those that are going to....." > > > > ---------- > > From: Viteri, Ursulina[SMTP:ursulina.viteri@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 1998 10:50 AM > > To: 'O'Brien, Jeannette'; 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > > Subject: RE: Ride Sunday (?) > > > > Hi Jeannette, > > > > Sign me up for Sunday, but could we start around noon or a little > > later? > > > > Ursulina Viteri > > 202-416-6534 * Fax 202-223-9095 > > AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. - Washington, DC > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > >From: O'Brien, Jeannette [SMTP:jlobrien@XXXXXX] > > >Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 1998 7:14 AM > > >To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > > >Subject: Ride Sunday (?) > > > > > >The weather looks like it will be ok Sunday, although a bit cooler. > > >Does anyone want to get together a ride? I wanted to ride Saturday > > but > > >my sis just got engaged - YAY - & I'll be doing the bridesmaid dress > > >hunt all day Saturday. : ( > > > > > >- Jeannette > > > > > >P.S. I'm liking this rain riding!! > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 7 11:30:05 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA27058; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 11:30:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA02106; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 11:29:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from portal.visa.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA04033; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 11:29:56 -0500 (EST) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA25322 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Wed, 7 Jan 1998 08:29:47 -0800 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Wed, 7 Jan 1998 08:29:47 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Ride Sunday (?) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 08:30:59 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 9 TEXT >Ok, boys, this is looking like a girls' ride. We need some love slaves >to go with us! Where are you all!!?? Could happen - haven't checked my dance card yet.. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 7 11:30:30 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA27074; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 11:30:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA02120; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 11:30:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from dadc012.army.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA04044; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 11:30:24 -0500 (EST) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 11:32:35 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: Tom Knapik , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Synthetic Oil....how???? Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 10:56:46 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) YES, YES, YES. They mix! Did you ever check out the URL I sent from Mobil's home page? If not check it out: http://www.mobil.com/consumer/mobil1/mobil1/mobil1faq.html and most of your questions will be answered. Just drain your old dino oil and replace with synthetic (and of course your filter too). That's it, nothing more, nothing less. Glenn Dysart DysarGB@XXXXXX dysart@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna > OK, let's suppose I do decide to change over. Do the two mix? Can I > just > start using synthetic oil or do I need to flush the engine first? Is > there > anything special I'd need to do? The CX650 doesn't leak now, so MAYBE > ya'll > have just talked me into making the BIG leap. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 7 12:15:01 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA28022; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 12:15:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA03173; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 12:14:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from PASHA.COM by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA05775; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 12:14:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from PASHA-Message_Server by PASHA.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 07 Jan 1998 12:09:01 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 12:14:20 -0500 From: Sean Sullivan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ride Sunday (?) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Re: Ride Sunday (?) Count me in for Sunday. Sean >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ok, boys, this is looking like a girls' ride. We need some love slaves to go with us! Where are you all!!?? - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX [SMTP:tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 1998 11:06 AM > To: jlobrien@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Ride Sunday (?) > > Me too if it's after noon or later. Dale, you may have to kiss up to > your > mother-in-law if you thinking of joining us so that she can watch the > kids. > "There are 2 types of computer users in the world: > Those that have lost data > and those that are going to....." > > ---------- > From: Viteri, Ursulina[SMTP:ursulina.viteri@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 1998 10:50 AM > To: 'O'Brien, Jeannette'; 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > Subject: RE: Ride Sunday (?) > > Hi Jeannette, > > Sign me up for Sunday, but could we start around noon or a little > later? > > Ursulina Viteri > 202-416-6534 * Fax 202-223-9095 > AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. - Washington, DC > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 7 12:29:26 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA28360; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 12:29:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA03459; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 12:28:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA06302; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 12:28:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay2.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id MAA05370; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 12:28:01 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 12:26:46 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D34F3FC@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Sean Sullivan'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Ride Sunday (?) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 12:25:45 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain There we go! A willing slave!! Any more?? Collin, Brian, Todd?? Muah haa haa haa - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Sean Sullivan [SMTP:SUPERFND@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 1998 12:14 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Ride Sunday (?) > > Re: Ride Sunday (?) > > Count me in for Sunday. > Sean > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Ok, boys, this is looking like a girls' ride. We need some love > slaves > to go with us! Where are you all!!?? > > - Jeannette > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX > [SMTP:tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 1998 11:06 AM > > To: jlobrien@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: RE: Ride Sunday (?) > > > > Me too if it's after noon or later. Dale, you may have to kiss up > to > > your > > mother-in-law if you thinking of joining us so that she can watch > the > > kids. > > "There are 2 types of computer users in the world: > > Those that have lost data > > and those that are going to....." > > > > ---------- > > From: Viteri, Ursulina[SMTP:ursulina.viteri@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 1998 10:50 AM > > To: 'O'Brien, Jeannette'; 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > > Subject: RE: Ride Sunday (?) > > > > Hi Jeannette, > > > > Sign me up for Sunday, but could we start around noon or a little > > later? > > > > Ursulina Viteri > > 202-416-6534 * Fax 202-223-9095 > > AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. - Washington, DC > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 7 12:38:12 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA28567; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 12:38:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA03554; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 12:37:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA06679; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 12:37:03 -0500 (EST) From: C.Fagan/MSC01@XXXXXX Received: from SMTP (auntie_virus.osc.uscg.mil [10.49.120.11]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA20381 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 12:53:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from internet.uscg.mil ([192.168.49.8]) by 10.49.120.11 (Norton AntiVirus for Internet Email Gateways 1.0) ; Wed, 07 Jan 1998 17:36:32 0000 (GMT) Received: From InternetGateway by internet.uscg.mil with InterMail (5.4 MIME) Id MSC01-099775@XXXXXX ; 7 Jan 98 12:36:07 EST Message-Id: Subject: Source for trailer rails Date: 7 Jan 98 12:31:05 EST To: !dc-cycles/InternetGateway@XXXXXX cc: JKN/InternetGateway@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey gang, A co-worker of mine wants to add another rail to his bike trailer...Anyone out there know of a source that sells em reasonable?? I think Northwestern and JC Whitney has them listed, but I don't have a catalog for either of those handy anymore... Collin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 7 13:04:42 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA29235; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 13:04:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA04499; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 13:02:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA07455; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 13:02:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id MAA18889 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 12:01:16 -0600 (CST) Received: from imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid02.mcit.com [166.37.221.14]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id MAA11374 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 12:01:15 -0600 (CST) Received: from LJTanner.mcit.com ([166.32.84.59]) by imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19980107180115.OHCS28757@XXXXXX> for ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 12:01:15 -0600 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 11:01:09 -0500 Message-ID: <01BD1B5B.8EEB4880.linda.tanner@mci.com> From: Linda Tanner To: "Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: FW: Ride Sunday (?) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 11:01:07 -0500 Organization: MCI Telecommunications X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm up for a ride on Sunday. Who's volunteering to lead. (Don't ask me - I get lost going home) LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze -----Original Message----- From: O'Brien, Jeannette [SMTP:jlobrien@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 1998 10:14 AM To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' Subject: Ride Sunday (?) The weather looks like it will be ok Sunday, although a bit cooler. Does anyone want to get together a ride? I wanted to ride Saturday but my sis just got engaged - YAY - & I'll be doing the bridesmaid dress hunt all day Saturday. : ( - Jeannette P.S. I'm liking this rain riding!! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 7 13:34:34 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA29796; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 13:34:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA04945; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 13:33:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA08147; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 13:33:21 -0500 (EST) From: RDWOODJR Message-ID: <1173646.34b3c808@aol.com> Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 13:23:03 EST To: knapik@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Synthetic Oil....how???? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) << OK, let's suppose I do decide to change over. Do the two mix? Can I just start using synthetic oil or do I need to flush the engine first? Is there anything special I'd need to do? The CX650 doesn't leak now, so MAYBE ya'll have just talked me into making the BIG leap. >> Tom, I know of no problems arising from a little conventional oil left in an engine after a change to synthetics. At least not what's commonly available on the market nowdays. There were rumours decades ago, but the ones I heard were already second hand. I do recall, however, seeing caution labels on some 2 cycle synthetic injector oil bottles about mixing and oil clumping, clogging the oil bottle feed line. Richard Wood From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 7 13:48:46 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA00058; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 13:48:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA05582; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 13:48:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.his.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA08741; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 13:48:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from harris.his.com (harris.his.com [205.252.80.17]) by mail.his.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA11604 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 13:48:25 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980107134816.008a58e0@mail.his.com> X-Sender: harris@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 13:48:16 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Stephen Harris Subject: RE: Ride Sunday (?) In-Reply-To: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D34F3FC@badge.tuckerflyer.c om> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I'm game, the fuel pump on the 1000 is not acting up latly. How about a ride up thru upper Montgomery co, say up sugarloaf for the obligatory engine off coast racing on the way down? S Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 7 13:49:33 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA00080; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 13:49:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA05595; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 13:49:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from dadc012.army.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA08756; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 13:49:26 -0500 (EST) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 13:51:27 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: C.Fagan/MSC01@XXXXXX, DC Cycles Cc: JKN/InternetGateway@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Source for trailer rails Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 13:46:19 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) The one I bought for my utility trailer I got from Sears mail order catalog. This was about 8 years ago. Glenn Dysart DysarGB@XXXXXX dysart@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna > A co-worker of mine wants to add another rail to his bike > trailer...Anyone > out there know of a source that sells em reasonable?? > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 7 14:05:01 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA00457; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 14:05:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA05920; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 14:04:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA09178; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 14:04:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay2.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id OAA07606; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 14:04:46 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 14:03:30 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D34F3FE@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Stephen Harris'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Ride Sunday (?) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 14:02:27 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Are you volunteering to lead (I hope)?? I'm just a newbie & certainly not up to that duty yet... - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Harris [SMTP:harris@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 1998 1:48 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Ride Sunday (?) > > I'm game, the fuel pump on the 1000 is not acting up latly. How > about a > ride up thru upper Montgomery co, say up sugarloaf for the obligatory > engine off coast racing on the way down? > > S > > > > Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? > Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 7 14:06:52 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA00486; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 14:06:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA05990; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 14:06:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from welchlink.welch.jhu.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA09270; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 14:06:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from firewall_out.adventisthealthcare.com ([209.49.109.130]) by welchlink.welch.jhu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA08852 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 14:04:19 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980107140738.006ac17c@pop.mindspring.com> Received: from [172.16.4.56] by firewall_out.adventisthealthcare.com via smtpd (for welchlink.welch.jhu.edu [128.220.59.78]) with SMTP; 7 Jan 1998 19:06:43 UT X-Sender: hggmd@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 14:07:38 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." Subject: Oil? No... no... ... AAAHHHH!! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" For reasons I cannot explain, the discussion of oil has managed to consume every vehicular list and forum to which I have ever subscribed. This has repeatedly clogged rec.moto, rec.auto, rec.auto.tech, Land Rover lists (2), BMW lists (3!), balt-cycles, and now, the beloved DC-cycles. I get the sense that some riders/drivers would be more concerned with switching oil than getting a blood transfusion. It boils down to this: if it's in your engine, change it and check it frequently; if it's in your food, don't eat too much of it; if it's going on your body, warm it in the microwave first; if it's bubblin' up from the ground, move to Beverly... Hills that is. Harry Bethesda, MD '97 BMW R1100RT http://www.greenspun.com/harry/bikes.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 7 14:21:11 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA00798; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 14:21:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA06135; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 14:21:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA09602; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 14:20:58 -0500 (EST) Received: by hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD1B77.1C6E22C0@XXXXXX>; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 14:18:22 -0500 Message-ID: From: To: Subject: RE: Ride Sunday (?) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 14:18:20 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 41 TEXT I can't lead either since I'm a newbie and this would be my first group ride (I don't consider those ones with my husband). As a matter of fact, I have no idea what you are saying here > ride up thru upper Montgomery co, say up sugarloaf for the obligatory > engine off coast racing on the way down? All I understood was Montgomery Co. Tracy "There are 2 types of computer users in the world: Those that have lost data and those that are going to....." ---------- From: O'Brien, Jeannette[SMTP:jlobrien@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 1998 2:02 PM To: 'Stephen Harris'; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Ride Sunday (?) Are you volunteering to lead (I hope)?? I'm just a newbie & certainly not up to that duty yet... - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Harris [SMTP:harris@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 1998 1:48 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Ride Sunday (?) > > I'm game, the fuel pump on the 1000 is not acting up latly. How > about a > ride up thru upper Montgomery co, say up sugarloaf for the obligatory > engine off coast racing on the way down? > > S > > > > Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? > Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 7 14:27:52 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA00914; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 14:27:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA06228; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 14:27:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA09798; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 14:27:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from default ([12.68.77.120]) by mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA2168; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 19:27:13 +0000 Reply-To: From: "kevin thomas" To: , "Stephen Harris" Subject: Re: Ride Sunday (?) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 14:24:24 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19980107192712.AAA2168@default> Y'all-- Y'know, motorcycles aren't allowed on Sugarloaf. It's private property, so it's their right to ban us. I've been meaning to complain, try to change their mind. I'm sure that this is one of those things that the loud pipes people (or off-roaders) have screwed up for the rest of us. I'll try to come up with an address for the management and post it to the list. I don't know that there's anyone around to stop you from riding there; I rode up with a visiting VFR lister and didn't notice the "no motorcycles" sign until after we left and then went back, hoping for a water fountain. Nobody hassled us. But please, if you do go up, keep it quiet. Later Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 7 14:30:12 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA00955; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 14:30:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA06255; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 14:30:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA09842; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 14:30:01 -0500 (EST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id NAA19646; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 13:29:26 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199801071929.NAA19646@dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com> Received: from slip166-72-74-181.dc.us.ibm.net(166.72.74.181) by dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma019630; Wed Jan 7 13:28:58 1998 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Bill Schmidt" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, C.Fagan/MSC01@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 14:28:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: RE: Source for trailer rails Reply-to: billsch@XXXXXX Priority: normal In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) > > I think Northwestern and JC Whitney has them listed, but I don't > have a catalog for either of those handy anymore... Whitney's web site is at: http://www.jcwhitneyusa.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 7 14:44:17 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA01189; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 14:44:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA06439; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 14:44:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from DONALD.CDER.FDA.GOV by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA10146; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 14:44:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from mr.cder.fda.gov by fdaserv.cder.fda.gov (PMDF V5.1-8 #21467) id <01IS3KSAI3N48ZGZ30@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 14:44:43 EST Received: with PMDF-MR; Wed, 07 Jan 1998 14:40:54 -0500 (EST) MR-Received: by mta DONALD; Relayed; Wed, 07 Jan 1998 14:40:54 -0500 Alternate-recipient: prohibited Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 14:41:12 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy Subject: Re: Ride Sunday (?) To: DC Cycles Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Posting-date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 14:41:13 -0500 (EST) Importance: normal Priority: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential UA-content-id: E1348IEQ362KV X400-MTS-identifier: [;45044170108991/2233900@FDACD] A1-type: MAIL Hop-count: 1 >I'm game, the fuel pump on the 1000 is not acting up latly. How about a >ride up thru upper Montgomery co, say up sugarloaf for the obligatory >engine off coast racing on the way down? A ride like this might even intice me to test the wife's nerves by asking if I can go. Do you have a route and are you willing to lead? While I can wander all through monkey county I don't think I would be able to make a ride that's actually interesting... How is it that everyone who wants to lead rides is doing them in NoVA? Some of us live in MD. I'm not averse to leading a ride but I'm not the best when it comes to route planning. Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 7 14:54:35 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA01388; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 14:54:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA06521; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 14:54:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.clark.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA10346; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 14:54:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from clark.net (louis@XXXXXX [168.143.0.7]) by mail.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA21509; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 14:54:01 -0500 (EST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Received: (from louis@localhost) by clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA14866; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 14:54:00 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199801071954.OAA14866@clark.net> Subject: Re: Ride Sunday (?) To: tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 14:53:59 -0500 (EST) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) In-Reply-To: from "tracy.l.horstman@lmco.com" at Jan 7, 98 02:18:20 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24alpha3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > > I can't lead either since I'm a newbie and this would be my first group > ride (I don't consider those ones with my husband). As a matter of fact, > I have no idea what you are saying here > > ride up thru upper Montgomery co, say up sugarloaf for the obligatory > > engine off coast racing on the way down? "Engine off coast racing" -> At the top of the hill, you turn off your bike (the real pros make you turn in your keys!) then push off down the hill. The person to go the farthest distance before coming to a stop wins. At least that was how I've seen it before. I haven't done it yet, but I'd be game. Louis From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 7 15:16:54 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA02346; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 15:16:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA06707; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 15:16:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from DONALD.CDER.FDA.GOV by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA11145; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 15:16:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from mr.cder.fda.gov by fdaserv.cder.fda.gov (PMDF V5.1-8 #21467) id <01IS3LRPW2TC8ZGZ8Y@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 15:13:53 EST Received: with PMDF-MR; Wed, 07 Jan 1998 15:10:21 -0500 (EST) MR-Received: by mta DONALD; Relayed; Wed, 07 Jan 1998 15:10:21 -0500 Alternate-recipient: prohibited Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 15:10:41 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy Subject: Re: Ride Sunday (?) To: DC Cycles Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Posting-date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 15:10:42 -0500 (EST) Importance: normal Priority: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential UA-content-id: E1352IEQ39W22 X400-MTS-identifier: [;12015170108991/2234025@FDACD] A1-type: MAIL Hop-count: 1 >>ride up thru upper Montgomery co, say up sugarloaf for the obligatory >>engine off coast racing on the way down? > >"Engine off coast racing" -> At the top of the hill, you turn off your >bike (the real pros make you turn in your keys!) then push off down the >hill. The person to go the farthest distance before coming to a stop >wins. > >At least that was how I've seen it before. I haven't done it yet, but >I'd be game. This is a more interesting exercise when the bikes are fairly evenly matched. I fear that my fairly lightweight Hawk with its poor aerodynamics would suffer against the heavy/aerodynamic bikes some of you have. On the other hand, I probably have more practice taking downhills fast without a motor since I race bicycles (which are rarely geared to pedal over 50 mph and are pretty much never geared for the 60+ mph speeds we reach exiting Skyline Drive in the north). Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 7 15:32:43 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA02711; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 15:32:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA06986; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 15:32:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from welchlink.welch.jhu.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA11661; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 15:32:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from firewall_out.adventisthealthcare.com ([209.49.109.130]) by welchlink.welch.jhu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA13632; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 15:29:52 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980107153256.006a1eb4@pop.mindspring.com> Received: from [172.16.4.56] by firewall_out.adventisthealthcare.com via smtpd (for welchlink.welch.jhu.edu [128.220.59.78]) with SMTP; 7 Jan 1998 20:32:15 UT X-Sender: hggmd@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 15:32:56 -0500 To: Kirk Roy From: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." Subject: Re: Ride Sunday (?) Cc: DC Cycles In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 02:41 PM 1/7/98 -0500, Kirk Roy wrote: >How is it that everyone who wants to lead rides is doing them in NoVA? Some >of us live in MD. There are some excellent roads on both sides of 270, extending to Thurmont and beyond. One of the nicest is Ijamsville Road. You can also take Georgia Avenue waaaaay out past Rt. 70. Still, if you want consistently interesting roads, you need to bite the bullet and head for the hills (Front Royal, Elkins, etc.). Harry Bethesda, MD '97 BMW R1100RT http://www.greenspun.com/harry/bikes.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 7 16:06:59 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA03426; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 16:06:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA07863; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 16:06:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from dlt5.dlt.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA12676; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 16:06:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from ANITA by dlt5.dlt.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.0.1457.7) id CPVC0TAY; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 16:14:23 -0500 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 16:08:48 -0500 Message-ID: <01BD1B86.89C07120.anita@dlt.com> From: Anita Lauro Reply-To: "2xracers@XXXXXX" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: MSF Schedule - NVCC Loudoun Campus Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 16:08:47 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just got the Winter '98 NVCC Loudoun schedule in the mail. MSF class info is as follows: Motorcycle Rider Training - Novice Offered every weekend from March 20/21/22 to December 11/12/13. Cost: $85.00 Intermediate Motorcycle Training (Instructor: Dave Jones) Offered April 5th and May 3rd, both are Sundays. Cost: $55.00 Description: "This course is designed to further develop and reinforce skills learned in the Novice Class." Advanced Rider Training Call Caire @ 450-2552 for schedule. Offered on Sundays beginning in April. Cost: $55.00. There is also a sidecar class, no schedule listed. The number to call for a brochure and more info is 450-2552. A side note: I took the Intermediate class last June and found it very helpful (after taking the Novice class 1.5 years before). You perform some of the range exercises from the Novice class, as well as some additional "optional" exercises not covered in the Novice. We also watched a couple of videos, received some good handouts on riding gear, maintenance, etc. I found that doing the range exercises on my own bike was very confidence building -- I highly recommend the class to any "newer" rider. Since I've changed bikes to a much larger and heavier one, I think I'm going to take the class in April and maybe take the Advanced class later in the year. Hope this info is useful! Anita From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 7 16:15:30 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA03733; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 16:15:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA08322; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 16:15:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from tcs_gateway2.treas.gov by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA12973; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 16:15:03 -0500 (EST) Received: by tcs_gateway2.treas.gov id AA15454 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Wed, 7 Jan 1998 16:14:35 -0500 Received: by tcs_gateway2.treas.gov (Internal Mail Agent-2); Wed, 7 Jan 1998 16:14:35 -0500 Received: by tcs_gateway2.treas.gov (Internal Mail Agent-1); Wed, 7 Jan 1998 16:14:35 -0500 Message-Id: <9029AADD5E6AD111A22C0060084129450D5C0B@DC02> From: Wu Don To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: coast racing? Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 16:15:54 -0500 X-Priority: 3 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain > > > I can't lead either since I'm a newbie and this would be my first > group > > ride (I don't consider those ones with my husband). As a matter of > fact, > > I have no idea what you are saying here > > > > ride up thru upper Montgomery co, say up sugarloaf for the > obligatory > > > engine off coast racing on the way down? > Louis said: > "Engine off coast racing" -> At the top of the hill, you turn off your > bike (the real pros make you turn in your keys!) then push off down > the > hill. The person to go the farthest distance before coming to a stop > wins. > > At least that was how I've seen it before. I haven't done it yet, but > I'd be game. > Kirk said: > This is a more interesting exercise when the bikes are fairly evenly > matched. I fear that my fairly lightweight Hawk with its poor > aerodynamics > would suffer against the heavy/aerodynamic bikes some of you have. > I think what Stephen was talking about is a downhill race (engine off) to the bottom of Sugarloaf mountain with the first rider there being the winner. Whoever brakes the least wins. Don From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 7 16:36:01 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA04173; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 16:36:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA08633; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 16:35:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp3.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA13551; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 16:35:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (spg-tnt3s98.erols.com [207.172.146.98]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA09981; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 16:35:04 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <34B3F7D0.B05265A9@geocities.com> Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 16:46:56 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kirk Roy CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Ride Sunday (?) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kirk Roy wrote: > How is it that everyone who wants to lead rides is doing them in NoVA? Some > of us live in MD. I'm not averse to leading a ride but I'm not the best > when it comes to route planning. > Kirk, I've ridden a few rides with the MD HSTA led by Steve Johnson....They are generally pretty nice rides; however, I've found that a very large portion (not all of em mind you) of the MD back roads are narrow, very populated (lotsa houses), and in very poor condition (both pavement and debris)....These conditions are dangerous to the zippy types and for many of the same reasons, they can be dangerous for the newbies/less experienced riders... The MD roads are good for the occasional sightseeing (the CAMS covered bridges ride was nice), but on average, the VA roads are just better riding...And as someone mentioned, for the really good stuff....head west (and south) young man... Collin -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 7 16:42:48 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA04330; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 16:42:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA08752; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 16:42:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from DONALD.CDER.FDA.GOV by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA13813; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 16:42:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from mr.cder.fda.gov by fdaserv.cder.fda.gov (PMDF V5.1-8 #21467) id <01IS3OX00T408ZH05R@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 16:42:52 EST Received: with PMDF-MR; Wed, 07 Jan 1998 16:40:08 -0500 (EST) MR-Received: by mta DONALD; Relayed; Wed, 07 Jan 1998 16:40:08 -0500 Alternate-recipient: prohibited Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 16:40:28 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy Subject: Re: coast racing? To: DC Cycles Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Posting-date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 16:40:29 -0500 (EST) Importance: normal Priority: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential UA-content-id: E1365IEQ3KO7K X400-MTS-identifier: [;80046170108991/2234634@FDACD] A1-type: MAIL Hop-count: 1 >> This is a more interesting exercise when the bikes are fairly evenly >> matched. I fear that my fairly lightweight Hawk with its poor >> aerodynamics >> would suffer against the heavy/aerodynamic bikes some of you have. >> >I think what Stephen was talking about is a downhill race (engine off) >to the bottom of Sugarloaf mountain with the first rider there being the >winner. Yep. >Whoever brakes the least wins. I don't think braking the least would be the deciding factor although I've never done this on a motorcycle. Would speeds get high enough for braking to be of much concern on a motorcycle? I've hit 50 mph descending some pretty hairy mountain descents on my bicycle without paying too much attention to braking. I'm probably better at it on a bicycle than on a motorcycle (particularly relative to the average high mileage bicycle rider and the average high mileage motorcycle rider). A heavier bike/rider combo will accelerate faster downhill (there are endless discussions on this in rec.bicycles.tech and rec.bicycles.racing but I'm sure the members of dc-cycles are better than that, maybe I'm not cause here I am discussing it). A more aerodynamic bike will hit a higher top speed. These are simplified descriptions, of course. Depending on how twisty the descent of sugarloaf "mountain" is these factors may not be nearly as important as rider skill and/or craziness. I stopped for a moment to decide if I should send this. Since I'm generally fairly quiet on the list (and I stay completely out of such topics as rollerblading, wimmins, etc) I guess it won't hurt... Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 7 18:03:21 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA06104; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 18:03:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA09900; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 18:03:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA16410; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 18:02:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.his.com by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA11406; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 18:02:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from harris.his.com (harris.his.com [205.252.80.17]) by mail.his.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA11798 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 18:02:55 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980107180239.0088e4d0@mail.his.com> X-Sender: harris@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 18:02:39 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Stephen Harris Subject: Sunday ride Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Ok, I opened my big mouth, so now I gotta follow thru. I'm not sure what "leading" means in the street bike sense, but since I have been a control rider for Cycle Sport Day as well as an instructor for the MARRC Road Racing School I'm sure I'm qualified. I will pick a route of my favorites, travel them in a sedate fashion, and whomever wishes to follow may. Be advise, I do all my racing on the track, so you will not find me exceeding the posted by more that 20% or so. Everyone can meet at my house in Gaithersburg, MD. Directions at the end of the message. As for the coast "racing" the term is used very loosly. This park has a lot of tree huggers walking around and it not the place to put the kettle on the stove. I ride down swift for a car, slow for a racer, and well within my limits. Anything else is irresponsible. It is a lot of fun the road down from the top is very curvie and it is the weirdest feeling to be power off listing to everything rattle on your bike. If it were a race, the person that used the brakes the least would win. Weight would have nothing to do with it, and speeds don't get really high to make a difference. So Kurt, you would win, but not because of your bike, but because of your bicycle racing experience. Directions to the Team Charm World Head 1/4's. Be there at noon. We will leave smartly at 12:45. Oh, and the dog is harmless. Take I-270 to exit 9A which is for I-370 / Sam Eig Hwy. Exit, staying towards the right which will take you to I-370. In about a mile you'll exit off I-370 onto 355 North / Towards Gaithersburg Town Center. The exit ramp dumps you out on 355 north so its impossible to screw up. At the second traffic light (about one mile) take a right onto East Deer Park Rd. Take your second left (about 300 yards) onto Woodland Rd. My house is number 112, about a half mile down the road and after a stop sign. My home number is 301 990 6408 if you get lost for some reason. S Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 7 19:11:27 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA07134; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 19:11:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA10979; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 19:11:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA17970; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 19:11:10 -0500 (EST) From: Jinn Sinn Message-ID: <23ce871d.34b41885@aol.com> Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 19:06:29 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ride Sunday (?) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) it's starting to look like a chick-event :D WHERE ARE OUR LOVE SLAVES? In a message dated 98-01-07 11:18:53 EST, tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX writes: << Me too if it's after noon or later. >> From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 7 19:19:47 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA07226; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 19:19:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA11206; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 19:19:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA18092; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 19:19:40 -0500 (EST) From: WantA ZX6 Message-ID: <662cc7a4.34b4198f@aol.com> Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 19:10:52 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ride Sunday (?) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) In a message dated 98-01-07 10:28:36 EST, you write: I wouldnt mind going riding. << P.S. I'm liking this rain riding!! >> Yuck, Jeanette you have really lost it. Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 7 19:25:57 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA07282; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 19:25:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA11277; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 19:25:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA18245; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 19:25:49 -0500 (EST) From: WantA ZX6 Message-ID: <7832c327.34b41b34@aol.com> Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 19:17:54 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ride Sunday (?)..coast racing Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) In a message dated 98-01-07 15:09:01 EST, you write: << Engine off coast racing" >> Is VERY dangerous and should only be done by experienced people....ie. NOT newbies. Reason being is that there is no engine braking and traction is much less than with the engine running (see torque/friction). Sounds fun tho. Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 7 19:36:13 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA07399; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 19:36:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA11392; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 19:36:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtolympus.ari.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA18409; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 19:36:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (bee@localhost) by mtolympus.ari.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id TAA21240; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 19:37:09 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 19:37:09 -0500 (EST) From: "Brian E. Ewell" To: kevin thomas cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Stephen Harris Subject: Re: Ride Sunday (?) In-Reply-To: <19980107192712.AAA2168@default> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 7 Jan 1998, kevin thomas wrote: > Y'all-- > > Y'know, motorcycles aren't allowed on Sugarloaf. It's private property, so > it's their right to ban us. I've been meaning to complain, try to change > their mind. I'm sure that this is one of those things that the loud pipes > people (or off-roaders) have screwed up for the rest of us. I'll try to > come up with an address for the management and post it to the list. I > don't know that there's anyone around to stop you from riding there; I rode > up with a visiting VFR lister and didn't notice the "no motorcycles" sign > until after we left and then went back, hoping for a water fountain. > Nobody hassled us. But please, if you do go up, keep it quiet. I'd assumed that their reason for barring motorcycles was more of a safety issue, with all the gravel that seems to gather at the corners of every switchback on the way up. I've never taken the bike up (just parked at the bottom and walked), but I expect it could be a bit tricky... Brian. bee@XXXXXX '85 VF700C Magna From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 7 19:39:27 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA07442; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 19:39:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA11411; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 19:39:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA18460; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 19:39:20 -0500 (EST) From: Jinn Sinn Message-ID: <242cc328.34b41fd3@aol.com> Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 19:37:39 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ride Sunday (?)..coast racing Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) In a message dated 98-01-07 19:31:35 EST, you write: << Is VERY dangerous and should only be done by experienced people....ie. NOT newbies. Reason being is that there is no engine braking and traction is much less than with the engine running (see torque/friction). Sounds fun tho. >> Those were my (newbie) thoughts...........scarrrrryyyyyyy.....although I could do it on a bicycle...OTOH a bicycle weighs about 1/100 of a motocycle (or less) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 7 19:41:29 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA07467; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 19:41:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA11534; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 19:41:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA18492; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 19:41:22 -0500 (EST) From: Jinn Sinn Message-ID: <13d7ac1b.34b4172d@aol.com> Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 19:00:43 EST To: jlobrien@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ride Sunday (?) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) I'm there baby.........time?? 10? In a message dated 98-01-07 10:28:36 EST, jlobrien@XXXXXX writes: << The weather looks like it will be ok Sunday, although a bit cooler. Does anyone want to get together a ride? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 7 20:11:44 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA07833; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 20:11:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA12346; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 20:11:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from tcs_gateway2.treas.gov by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA18988; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 20:11:26 -0500 (EST) Received: by tcs_gateway2.treas.gov id AA05738 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Wed, 7 Jan 1998 20:10:59 -0500 Received: by tcs_gateway2.treas.gov (Internal Mail Agent-2); Wed, 7 Jan 1998 20:10:59 -0500 Received: by tcs_gateway2.treas.gov (Internal Mail Agent-1); Wed, 7 Jan 1998 20:10:59 -0500 Message-Id: <9029AADD5E6AD111A22C0060084129450D5C75@DC02> From: Wu Don To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: coast racing Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 20:11:21 -0500 X-Priority: 3 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain ><< Engine off coast racing" >> >Is VERY dangerous and should only be done by experienced people....ie. >NOT newbies. Reason being is that there is no engine braking Engines aren't for braking! Engines are for accelerating! Brakes are for braking. :) I think Keith Code said this. Or something along those lines. Don From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 7 20:18:29 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA07890; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 20:18:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA12369; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 20:18:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA19060; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 20:18:10 -0500 (EST) From: Jinn Sinn Message-ID: <2fa5540.34b4267d@aol.com> Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 20:06:04 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ride Sunday (?) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) OOPS......I have a meeting at 1 and am supposed to see a friend at 3........damn.... anybody want to go Saturday instead??? PLEASE? :D In a message dated 98-01-07 19:46:57 EST, JinnSinn@XXXXXX writes: << I'm there baby.........time?? 10? >> From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 7 20:31:38 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA08056; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 20:31:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA12526; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 20:31:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from welchlink.welch.jhu.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA19254; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 20:31:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from HGREENS.adventisthealthcare.com (Pool-207-205-223-112.pitb.grid.net [207.205.223.112]) by welchlink.welch.jhu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA11049; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 20:29:01 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980107203219.0069dafc@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: hggmd@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 20:32:19 -0500 To: "Brian E. Ewell" From: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." Subject: Re: Ride Sunday (?) Cc: kevin thomas , dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Stephen Harris In-Reply-To: References: <19980107192712.AAA2168@default> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 07:37 PM 1/7/98 -0500, Brian E. Ewell wrote: > >I've never taken the bike up (Sugarloaf) > (just parked at the bottom and walked), but I expect it could be a > bit tricky... I rode my ZX-11 up and down it last year. Although the roads around the mountain were great, the switchback road up was terrible: gravel, hikers, RV's. It wasn't worth the time away from the other roads. On the other hand, last month (back when it was 30 degrees), I made a pit stop at the Comus Inn which is at the turnoff to the mountain. Although we got there too late to enjoy it, they have a great Sunday brunch and appeared welcoming to our leather-clad contingent. Harry Bethesda, MD '97 BMW R1100RT http://www.greenspun.com/harry/bikes.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 7 21:23:30 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA08715; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 21:23:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA13087; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 21:23:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.mnsinc.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA20350; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 21:23:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay.mnsinc.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA23891 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 21:22:27 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <34B462CA.35@mnsinc.com> Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 21:23:23 -0800 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Ride Sunday & Other Nonsense Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" > The weather looks like it will be ok Sunday, although a bit cooler. > Does anyone want to get together a ride? I wanted to ride Saturday but > my sis just got engaged - YAY - & I'll be doing the bridesmaid dress > hunt all day Saturday. : ( And later on she wrote: > Ok, boys, this is looking like a girls' ride. We need some love slaves > to go with us! Where are you all!!?? Whoa! Love slaves? Hey, I resemble that remark! In any event, I think I'll be there - Aloha ;) Got my new tire in today from Dennis Kirk (thanks again to y'all that did the MotoRagResearch for me - saved me some centimes!) delivered by a friendly UPS dude who actually jogged up my driveway, which is - shall we say - steep! Anyone ever see Mad TV and that crazy, manic UPS guy skit? Well this guy was just like that except he was white. The space between his eyes seemed kind of small (proportionately) suggesting some inbreeding, but he seemed a diligent worker nonetheless. (Hope he's not one of your relatives - ;^P What bugged me however, were his remarks: "Hey, what kind of bike is that? I've never ridden a motorcycle before but..." And then this gem: "Hey, I saw an accident once and the guy wasn't wearing a full face helmet and ... blood started gushing... and then his girlfriend went into shock..." Sheesh. Gimme my friggin' parts and leave already... I also ordered smaller rear turn signal stems à la VF500F's - they say imitation is the finest form of flattery Brian and & Jeannette ;) These are simply more attractive than the twice-as-long stems that run stock on the VF700F. Finally got my trick Trek (bicycle) computer set up on the 'ole Interceptor BTW. Warmer weather is definitely better for expoxy curing! This badboy will measure the following: 1. Trip time ` 2. Trip Distance 3. Average Speed 4. Maximum Speed 5. Speed Comparator to Ave. Speed 6. Odometer 7. Clock Looking forward to trying it out on Sunday. Ciao, JK From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 7 22:29:09 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA09625; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 22:29:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA13314; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 22:28:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA21664; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 22:28:49 -0500 (EST) From: Jinn Sinn Message-ID: <221fbd7c.34b447ec@aol.com> Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 22:28:42 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Ride Sunday...Make it Saturday!!!??? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) OOPS......I have a meeting at 1 and am supposed to see a friend at 3.(Sunday).......damn.... anybody want to go Saturday instead??? PLEASE? :D >> Marcy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 7 22:32:58 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA09675; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 22:32:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA13351; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 22:32:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA21735; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 22:32:45 -0500 (EST) From: Jinn Sinn Message-ID: Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 22:27:15 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ride Sunday (?) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) yeah sure, it doesn't have to be terribly long.....I have some things to do Saturday afternoon as well... In a message dated 98-01-07 21:50:38 EST, louis@XXXXXX writes: << I might be able to do a shorter Saturday ride (have to be in Old Town Alexandria about 5 pm.) send me some e-mail thurs night or friday if you are still intersted in riding on Sat. >> From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 7 23:59:07 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA10520; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 23:59:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA14015; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 23:58:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA23557; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 23:58:43 -0500 (EST) From: WantA ZX6 Message-ID: <32133602.34b45caf@aol.com> Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 23:57:17 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: coast racing Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) In a message dated 98-01-07 20:28:03 EST, you write: << >Is VERY dangerous and should only be done by experienced people....ie. >NOT newbies. Reason being is that there is no engine braking Engines aren't for braking! Engines are for accelerating! Brakes are for braking. :) I think Keith Code said this. Or something along those lines. >> Theres a smart ass in every crowd ; ). Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 8 00:07:43 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA11051; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 00:07:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA14130; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 00:07:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA23699; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 00:07:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.144] (unverified [207.226.128.144]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Thu, 08 Jan 1998 00:12:33 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Ride Sunday (?) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 98 00:07:31 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Kirk Roy" , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > Some >of us live in MD. I'm not averse to leading a ride but I'm not the best >when it comes to route planning. Having been on a couple of rides, so far, No. Va. has better roads than those in southern maryland (hey, it's a big, sandy archipelago!) But I'd like a ride on this side of the Potomac sometime, if it were possible. -George From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 8 00:07:47 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA11060; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 00:07:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA14136; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 00:07:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA23703; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 00:07:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.144] (unverified [207.226.128.144]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Thu, 08 Jan 1998 00:12:35 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: RE: Ride Sunday (?) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 98 00:07:33 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" , "'tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX'" , "O'Brien, Jeannette" , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Ok, boys, this is looking like a girls' ride. We need some love slaves >to go with us! Where are you all!!?? This ride is sounding better all the time;) -George From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 8 00:07:51 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA11069; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 00:07:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA14144; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 00:07:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA23710; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 00:07:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.144] (unverified [207.226.128.144]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Thu, 08 Jan 1998 00:12:37 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: RE: Ride Sunday (?) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 98 00:07:35 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Viteri, Ursulina" , "'O'Brien, Jeannette'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Sign me up for Sunday, but could we start around noon or a little later? Ditto with the late start preference! -George From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 8 00:07:52 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA11076; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 00:07:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA14155; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 00:07:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA23724; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 00:07:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.144] (unverified [207.226.128.144]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Thu, 08 Jan 1998 00:12:41 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Ride Sunday (?) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 98 00:07:39 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >The weather looks like it will be ok Sunday, although a bit cooler. >Does anyone want to get together a ride? I wanted to ride Saturday but >my sis just got engaged - YAY - & I'll be doing the bridesmaid dress >hunt all day Saturday. : ( Similar situation here. I've got a party with some people from my grad school cohort on Saturday. So if I'm not too hungover/don't get in too late on Sunday, I might want to join in (although, honestly, I need to get the horn on my bike working a little bit better) >P.S. I'm liking this rain riding!! Ditto. Just wish I had a spare $150 so I could get the waxed cotton pants, mittens, and boot covers to match the jacket. :) ``` (o o) *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| *--------------------------oooO------------* |__||__| || || ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 8 00:07:51 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA11075; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 00:07:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA14154; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 00:07:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA23716; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 00:07:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.144] (unverified [207.226.128.144]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Thu, 08 Jan 1998 00:12:39 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: MSF Schedule - NVCC Loudoun Campus Date: Thu, 8 Jan 98 00:07:37 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "2xracers@XXXXXX" <2xracers@XXXXXX>, "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >The number to call for a brochure and more info is 450-2552. Area code? (For us MD types who are still getting used to 410 to call Bawlmer) Oh, and thanks a lot for the list. -George From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 8 02:43:40 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA12662; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 02:43:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA16340; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 02:43:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA00942; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 02:43:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from default ([12.68.77.196]) by mtigwc05.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA13377; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 15:38:17 +0000 Reply-To: From: "kevin thomas" To: "Whiteside, John" , Subject: Re: Synthetic Oil....leaks???? Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 10:35:21 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19980107153816.AAA13377@default> I think Richard must have been putting synthetic oil into old British bikes. Yes, synthetic oil flows better, but not so much better it'll flow out past your gaskets. If it'd do that, it would flow past your rings and valve seals, too. I've put synthetic oil into VFRs with nearly 20000 miles with no problems. They now have 30000 miles. I don't really know what kind of oil they had when I got them, though. No problems when putting synthetic oil into a 15-year-old CB550 with only 9000 miles. And it had been sitting for 14 years! My 73 CB750 had synthetic oil since new, and was stolen at 33000 miles. It had the same oil leak from the head gasket all old CBs did. You're supposed to retorque the head gasket every 3000 miles, says Honda, but you gotta take the engine out to do it! So nobody ever does, and they leak. But that was the only leak. I've put synthetic oil into Fords, Hondas and Nissans with 40000 to 90000 miles, no leaks. And of course, I've put it in new engines, and they don't leak. Got one outside with nearly 30000 on it, in a car with 180000. No leaks. People say they were abducted by space aliens, Richard says synthetic oil leaks out of bikes that didn't leak regular oil. I don't want to say it didn't happen, but it sure didn't happen to anybody when I was there to see it. I think I should store this response for the quarterly return of this thread....... Later Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 8 02:43:40 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA12661; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 02:43:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA16342; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 02:43:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA00946; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 02:43:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from default ([12.68.76.237]) by mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA24866; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 04:10:20 +0000 Reply-To: From: "kevin thomas" To: "Jinn Sinn" Cc: "dc-cycles" Subject: Re: Ride Sunday (?) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 23:07:20 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19980108041019.AAA24866@default> Marcy-- I can't go Sunday either, but Saturday's open! See ya Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 8 05:05:33 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id FAA14008; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 05:05:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id FAA17039; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 05:05:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from server4.illuminet.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id FAA02304; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 05:05:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from kzan (t0215.scott.af.mil [140.175.95.148]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id FAA03165 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 05:06:44 -0500 Message-ID: <34B494E7.7312E410@illuminet.net> Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 03:57:11 -0500 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ride Sunday (?)..coast racing X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <7832c327.34b41b34@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I agree with the no engine braking (although there could be if you were to put it in gear and release the clutch) But I don't understand how 1) Coasting is anymore dangerous on a motorcycle than a bicycle or 2) How starting the engine improves traction. Does this mean that coasting downhill with the motor running is less dangerous? Leon. WantA ZX6 wrote: > In a message dated 98-01-07 15:09:01 EST, you write: > > << Engine off coast racing" >> > > Is VERY dangerous and should only be done by experienced people....ie. > NOT > newbies. Reason being is that there is no engine braking and traction > is much > less than with the engine running (see torque/friction). > Sounds fun tho. > > Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 8 06:51:10 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA14759; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 06:51:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA17426; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 06:50:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from portal.visa.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA03085; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 06:50:51 -0500 (EST) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA18084 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Thu, 8 Jan 1998 03:50:49 -0800 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Thu, 8 Jan 1998 03:50:49 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Ride Sunday (?)..coast racing Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 03:52:01 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 33 TEXT << Is VERY dangerous and should only be done by experienced people....ie. NOT newbies. Reason being is that there is no engine braking and traction is much less than with the engine running (see torque/friction). Sounds fun tho. >> Had to chime in here - traction is a function of tires and road surface - neither knows nor cares whether the engine is on, off, or safe in the garage wrapped in a tarp. While the statement "engines are for accelerating and brakes are for braking" is generally true - especially when a large amount of velocity has to be reduced in a short period of time (as in "Where in hell did that deer come from!?!?!?"), in the real world the engine performs a moderating function on long descents, reducing the overall need for braking and providing a flywheel effect (due to the flywheels) to smooth out the acceleration/deceleration forces as the bike rolls downhill. Also, as the brakes tend to get quite warm when they are the sole source of moderating vehicle velocity (Gawd, but I'm starting to sound pedantic!) they lose efficacy, requiring increasing pressure to control the speed. I had the pleasure of being stationed in northern Italy with the USAF for about 5 years and had many opportunities to test out various theories on my Ducati of some very long downhills (I finally added a second disk assembly to the front end). Michael J. Philosopher-at-large From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 8 07:30:09 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA15064; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 07:30:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA18430; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 07:29:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp3.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA03402; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 07:29:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (spg-tnt3s98.erols.com [207.172.146.98]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA10253 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 07:31:15 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <34B4CFDE.DBD225B3@geocities.com> Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 08:08:46 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Engine Braking Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit While I agree for the most part that the brakes do the stopping, all it takes is one ride on a Ducati to see how much the engine can help ;-) Serioously though, going through the gears (as you get to the proper rev rangs) while reducing speed, like mike said, will moderate the bike and smooth things out. In addition, you'll always know that you're in the right gear should you need to accelerate to avoid an obstacle (using mike's deer theory again....or a car backing out just as you get to it). Is it Friday yet????? off to work.. Collin -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 8 07:53:03 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA15245; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 07:53:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA18497; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 07:52:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA03564; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 07:52:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.02c) id AC021810096; Thu, 08 Jan 1998 07:52:21 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980108074853.009ead10@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 07:48:53 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Ride Sunday (?)..coast racing In-Reply-To: <7832c327.34b41b34@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 07:17 PM 1/7/98 EST, WantA ZX6 wrote: >In a message dated 98-01-07 15:09:01 EST, you write: > ><< Engine off coast racing" >> > >Is VERY dangerous and should only be done by experienced people....ie. NOT >newbies. Reason being is that there is no engine braking and traction is much >less than with the engine running (see torque/friction). "traction is much less then with the engine running"? How do you figure that? Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 8 07:53:04 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA15247; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 07:53:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA18498; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 07:52:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA03565; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 07:52:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.02c) id AC061810096; Thu, 08 Jan 1998 07:52:22 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980108075154.009c2e00@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 07:51:54 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: coast racing In-Reply-To: <9029AADD5E6AD111A22C0060084129450D5C75@DC02> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:11 PM 1/7/98 -0500, Wu Don wrote: >><< Engine off coast racing" >> > >>Is VERY dangerous and should only be done by experienced people....ie. >>NOT newbies. Reason being is that there is no engine braking > >Engines aren't for braking! Engines are for accelerating! Brakes are >for braking. :) Within reason. I don't think anyone would seriously recommend disengaging the clutch and coasting down mountains as a good way to keep the bike under control. Keith Code (Mr. Dianetics) was most likely speaking only about the track, not streets. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 8 08:23:51 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA15503; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 08:23:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA18719; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 08:23:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from draco.eisi.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA03927; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 08:23:37 -0500 (EST) Received: by draco.eisi.com; id IAA23824; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 08:40:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from unknown(10.3.1.4) by draco.eisi.com via smap (3.2) id xma023820; Thu, 8 Jan 98 08:40:37 -0500 Received: by hrnexch1.eisi.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 08:23:30 -0500 Message-ID: <7F151D3C3920D111859A080009D806396E6C25@hrnexch1.eisi.com> From: "Whiteside, John" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: MSF Schedule - NVCC Loudoun Campus Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 08:23:28 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain I know the MSF gives some guidelines for who should take the intermediate course.... but do I remember them? Of course not! My background is that I took the basic course last spring, got a bike, and have done about 3000 miles since then. Too soon? Good time to take it? Anybody have suggestions? thanks. --John Whiteside > -----Original Message----- > From: Anita Lauro [SMTP:anita@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 1998 4:09 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: MSF Schedule - NVCC Loudoun Campus > > I just got the Winter '98 NVCC Loudoun schedule in the mail. MSF > class > info is as follows: > > Motorcycle Rider Training - Novice > Offered every weekend from March 20/21/22 to December 11/12/13. > Cost: $85.00 > > Intermediate Motorcycle Training (Instructor: Dave Jones) > Offered April 5th and May 3rd, both are Sundays. > Cost: $55.00 > Description: "This course is designed to further develop and reinforce > > skills learned in the Novice Class." > > Advanced Rider Training > Call Caire @ 450-2552 for schedule. > Offered on Sundays beginning in April. > Cost: $55.00. > > There is also a sidecar class, no schedule listed. > > The number to call for a brochure and more info is 450-2552. > > A side note: > I took the Intermediate class last June and found it very helpful > (after > taking the Novice class 1.5 years before). You perform some of the > range > exercises from the Novice class, as well as some additional "optional" > > exercises not covered in the Novice. We also watched a couple of > videos, > received some good handouts on riding gear, maintenance, etc. I found > that > doing the range exercises on my own bike was very confidence building > -- I > highly recommend the class to any "newer" rider. Since I've changed > bikes > to a much larger and heavier one, I think I'm going to take the class > in > April and maybe take the Advanced class later in the year. > > Hope this info is useful! > Anita From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 8 08:55:24 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA15776; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 08:55:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA19323; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 08:54:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from germany.it.earthlink.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA04395; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 08:54:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from [153.34.240.141] (1Cust151.tnt4.tco2.da.uu.net [153.35.88.151]) by germany.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA06294 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 05:54:55 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: level_5_ltd@XXXXXX Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <7832c327.34b41b34@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 08:56:49 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Alan Lapp Subject: Re: Ride Sunday (?)..coast racing >In a message dated 98-01-07 15:09:01 EST, you write: > ><< Engine off coast racing" >> > >Is VERY dangerous and should only be done by experienced people....ie. NOT >newbies. Reason being is that there is no engine braking and traction is much >less than with the engine running (see torque/friction). >Sounds fun tho. > >Jack Jack, I have to agree with you as to the dangers of coast racing, however I disagree as to the reason. Traction is not reduced in a no-power situation. It is merely distributed diferently. When the throttle is opened, weight transfers towards the rear of the bike. The absence of this effect would eliminate 2 classic problems with high powered sport bikes upon the exit of a corner: rear wheel power slides, and pushing/tucking/chattering the front end due to weight transfer. The true danger of coast racing is human nature. People engaged in coast racing are in a competition, and as such, often ride over their heads. The specific problem is the desire to stay off the brakes leading to execesive corner entry speeds. Also, coast racing requires a diferent riding technique than that of a high powered sport bike: the classic arcing line (often called the "Hailwood" line, after Mike The Bike Hailwood, bless his soul) rather than the more agressive 'squaring off' of the corner, which minimizes the time leaned over, thus maximizing the time in a more vertical state which is advantageous to both braking and accelerating. And, as long as I'm being pedantic, engine braking is a terrible way to slow down: it is *really* imprecise, and the expendible parts are quite expensive compared to brake pads! Al level_5_ltd@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 8 08:59:50 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA15816; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 08:59:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA19377; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 08:59:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from xgate.usia.gov by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA04469; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 08:59:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from Connect2 Message Router by xgate.usia.gov via Connect2-SMTP 4.31.02; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 08:55:43 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <8DD0B43401BD1160@xgate.usia.gov> Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 8:57:37 -0500 From: "Adams, Bill" Sender: "Adams, Bill" Organization: USIA To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX ("'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'") Subject: MD riding suggestion box... Importance: High X-SMF-Hop-Count: 2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Connect2-SMTP 4.31.02 MHS/SMF to SMTP Gateway To all those who complain that the MD roads aren't quite up to the Virginia snuff, I submit for your approval the following suggestions: Hunt Valley area....tons of 2 laners that snake all over gorgeous farm and countryside Frederick County...ditto Anywhere in the Catoctin Mountain National Park region, and points west to Harper's Ferry. The Famous Triadelphia Loop Closer to town: RCP...especially Ross Drive Sligo Creek Parkway from U-Blvd to New Hamster Avenue Others elude me at the moment, but I can honestly say I've never felt pangs of envy for NoVa motocyclists. Wish I could join y'all for a ride, but it'll be a while before the Honda is breathing on its own. Bill Adams 3D Artist/Animator '66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon, '81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard: "Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 8 09:05:18 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA15970; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 09:05:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA19468; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 09:05:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA04581; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 09:05:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay2.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id JAA20935; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 09:05:08 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 09:03:51 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D34F40A@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Alan Lapp'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Ride Sunday (?)..coast racing Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 09:02:51 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Ok, the big question for me is, since I'm a newbie, will I be able to have fun on this ride or should I not go? In other words, will this be all experienced racer-type riders? Just wondering...don't want to get in over my head (like I'd let that happen), or, more likely, hold anyone up... : ) - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Alan Lapp [SMTP:level_5_ltd@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, January 08, 1998 8:57 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Ride Sunday (?)..coast racing > > >In a message dated 98-01-07 15:09:01 EST, you write: > > > ><< Engine off coast racing" >> > > > >Is VERY dangerous and should only be done by experienced > people....ie. NOT > >newbies. Reason being is that there is no engine braking and traction > is much > >less than with the engine running (see torque/friction). > >Sounds fun tho. > > > >Jack > > Jack, I have to agree with you as to the dangers of coast racing, > however I > disagree as to the reason. > > Traction is not reduced in a no-power situation. It is merely > distributed > diferently. When the throttle is opened, weight transfers towards the > rear > of the bike. The absence of this effect would eliminate 2 classic > problems > with high powered sport bikes upon the exit of a corner: rear wheel > power > slides, and pushing/tucking/chattering the front end due to weight > transfer. > > The true danger of coast racing is human nature. People engaged in > coast > racing are in a competition, and as such, often ride over their heads. > The > specific problem is the desire to stay off the brakes leading to > execesive > corner entry speeds. > > Also, coast racing requires a diferent riding technique than that of a > high > powered sport bike: the classic arcing line (often called the > "Hailwood" > line, after Mike The Bike Hailwood, bless his soul) rather than the > more > agressive 'squaring off' of the corner, which minimizes the time > leaned > over, thus maximizing the time in a more vertical state which is > advantageous to both braking and accelerating. > > And, as long as I'm being pedantic, engine braking is a terrible way > to > slow down: it is *really* imprecise, and the expendible parts are > quite > expensive compared to brake pads! > > Al > level_5_ltd@XXXXXX > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 8 09:30:41 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA16255; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 09:30:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA20141; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 09:30:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from iconmail.bellatlantic.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05111; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 09:30:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from my-workstation (client196-127-110.bellatlantic.net [151.196.127.110]) by iconmail.bellatlantic.net (IConNet Sendmail) with SMTP id JAA19194; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 09:30:09 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980108092255.00c1f154@postoffice.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: true911@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 09:22:55 -0500 To: Chris Norloff From: "Mark E. Truelove" Subject: Re: Ride Sunday (?)..coast racing Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980108074853.009ead10@mail.toward.com> References: <7832c327.34b41b34@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Cornering (which is what I think he's referring to) is properly done under throttle, which sets up the load 60/40 to the rear, sticking the tire better and keeping it turning in. Sorry all, been lurking -- and flu-ing. :( MET At 07:48 AM 1/8/98 -0500, you wrote: >"traction is much less then with the engine running"? > >How do you figure that? > >Chris Norloff ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark E. Truelove (true@XXXXXX) http://www.clark.net/pub/pooh/ Polaris Technology Group http://www.angelfire.com/biz/polaristech/ Placement Specialists: SAP PeopleSoft Notes Fiber-Optics NT UNIX DBs ======================================================================= From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 8 09:34:05 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA16289; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 09:34:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA20177; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 09:34:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.mnsinc.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05202; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 09:33:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from charlie.mnsinc.com (charlie.mnsinc.com [206.239.52.83]) by relay.mnsinc.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA26322; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 09:33:56 -0500 (EST) From: 2xracers@XXXXXX (Anita Lauro) To: George Howell Cc: "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: MSF Schedule - NVCC Loudoun Campus Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 14:36:54 GMT Message-ID: <34b4e424.46880892@relay.mnsinc.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 8 Jan 98 00:07:37 -0500, you wrote: >>The number to call for a brochure and more info is 450-2552. > >Area code? (For us MD types who are still getting used to 410 to call=20 >Bawlmer) > The area code is 703. It may be Loudoun County, but we're still "Northern Virginia." :) Anita From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 8 09:39:38 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA16354; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 09:39:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA20310; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 09:39:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.mnsinc.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05376; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 09:39:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from charlie.mnsinc.com (charlie.mnsinc.com [206.239.52.83]) by relay.mnsinc.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA26511; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 09:39:31 -0500 (EST) From: 2xracers@XXXXXX (Anita Lauro) To: "Whiteside, John" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: MSF Schedule - NVCC Loudoun Campus Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 14:42:28 GMT Message-ID: <34b5e49a.46999123@relay.mnsinc.com> References: <7F151D3C3920D111859A080009D806396E6C25@hrnexch1.eisi.com> In-Reply-To: <7F151D3C3920D111859A080009D806396E6C25@hrnexch1.eisi.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 8 Jan 1998 08:23:28 -0500, you wrote: >I know the MSF gives some guidelines for who should take the >intermediate course.... but do I remember them? Of course not! My >background is that I took the basic course last spring, got a bike, and >have done about 3000 miles since then. Too soon? Good time to take it? >Anybody have suggestions? thanks.=20 I think you'd do fine in the intermediate class. Just picture doing some of the "harder" Novice exercises on your own bike. Locking the rear wheel, for example. We also did a decreasing radius turn that was pretty interesting. I had only put about 400 miles on my bike when I took the class and I didn't feel like I was in over my head (although I was the least experienced there). The great thing about when I took it was that there were only 4 people in the class... it was like getting personal instruction! After taking the class I felt like I had much better control over my bike, especially at slower speeds. It'll be interesting to see how well I do on the Nighthawk... Hope to see you there! Anita From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 8 09:41:26 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA16364; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 09:41:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA20341; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 09:41:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.mnsinc.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05406; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 09:41:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from charlie.mnsinc.com (charlie.mnsinc.com [206.239.52.83]) by relay.mnsinc.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA26568 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 09:41:17 -0500 (EST) From: 2xracers@XXXXXX (Anita Lauro) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ride Sunday...Make it Saturday!!!??? Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 14:44:14 GMT Message-ID: <34b7e619.47381734@relay.mnsinc.com> References: <221fbd7c.34b447ec@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <221fbd7c.34b447ec@aol.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm definitely up for a Saturday ride since I can't make the one on Sunday! Anita '95 Nighthawk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 8 09:43:04 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA16381; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 09:43:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA20463; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 09:42:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05478; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 09:42:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id JAA22662; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 09:42:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid01.mcit.com [166.37.221.13]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id IAA07066; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 08:42:19 -0600 (CST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19980108144219.RGSZ215@[166.41.242.141]>; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 08:42:19 -0600 Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 09:34 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: "Louis F. Caplan" CC: tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) Subject: Re: Ride Sunday (?) X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980108144219.RGSZ215@[166.41.242.141]> Louis C. wrote: >"Engine off coast racing" -> At the top of the hill, you turn off your >bike (the real pros make you turn in your keys!) then push off down the >hill. The person to go the farthest distance before coming to a stop >wins. > >At least that was how I've seen it before. I haven't done it yet, but >I'd be game. Of course you would! You'd come close to winning on that big assed Concours. However, unless some GoldWinger shows, rest assured the ST1100 with its 650+ pounds carrying its 230+ pound payload will win due to the enormous momentum involved. You sport bike guys can kiss it goodbye, especially if there is a breeze blowing uphill ;-) Todd +-----------------------------+---------------+ | '91 ST1100 - Raven STeel | STOC #487 | | '92 CB750 - Carbon Beauty | HSTA #7615 | | '83 VT500 - Dark Shadow | AMA #542907 | +-----------------------------+---------------+ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 8 10:13:06 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA16800; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 10:13:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA21103; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 10:12:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06133; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 10:12:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id KAA04741 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 10:12:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid01.mcit.com [166.37.221.13]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id KAA13482 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 10:12:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19980108151209.RKCT215@[166.41.242.141]> for ; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 09:12:09 -0600 Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 09:50 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: dc-cycles Subject: RE: Motorcycle Graphics -Reply X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980108151209.RKCT215@[166.41.242.141]> FYI....Sport bikes only though:( Forwarded message: _________________________________________________________________ Message-Id: <6B5C8C4247FCCF1189AF0080D88002AAE5E27D@hrserv2> Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 12:49:36 -0500 Reply-To: hsta@XXXXXX Sender: owner-hsta@XXXXXX From: "Hawkins, Kevin" To: Honda Sport Touring Association Subject: RE: Motorcycle Graphics -Reply If the inquiry is truly about motorcycle graphics, check out: http://www.techsolv.com/www/tapeworks/pages/homepage Kevin Hawkins // Greensboro, NC HSTA NC State Director AMA #609423 // khawkins@XXXXXX http://www.geocities.com/~raddboy '97 Triumph T595 // '93 Yamaha GTS1000 // '89 Hawk GT > -----Original Message----- > From: Dan Hytry [SMTP:hytry.d@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 1998 12:33 PM > To: HSTA State Directors > Subject: re: Motorcycle Graphics -Reply > > I'm looking for info, as well as the answer - How about it Chuck (No > Cal NL > Ed)? Got any good stuff? > ------------- > Original Text > From: "John Castagna" , on 1/7/98 6:09 AM: > If anyone has an answer, I'd be interested in knowing it too. Thanks. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 8 10:27:30 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA17020; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 10:27:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA21253; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 10:27:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06414; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 10:27:16 -0500 (EST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id KAA22350 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 10:27:15 -0500 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma022289; Thu, 8 Jan 98 10:26:51 -0500 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id KAA17666 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 10:26:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00) id AA884273029; Thu, 08 Jan 98 10:23:51 -0500 Message-Id: <9801088842.AA884273029@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Thu, 08 Jan 98 10:21:13 -0500 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: Re[2]: Ride Sunday (?)..coast racing MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Fear not J - our fearless leader for Sunday is a racer who understands where and when it's time to crank it up (read, at the TRACK). As he posted originally, he rides maybe 20% over the speed limit.. soo.. based on a 55mph speed limit, we should be doing about 65 - nothing that's going to get anyone in trouble (unless it's 55mph limit, and marked 10mph corners.. one can dream, can't he?). Girl, you just need to stop fretting about 'holding us up' - you know we're going to wait for you if we get ahead... we always have (one exception.. and you've received apologies for that!).. I'll see everyone there.. Brian ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Ok, the big question for me is, since I'm a newbie, will I be able to have fun on this ride or should I not go? In other words, will this be all experienced racer-type riders? Just wondering...don't want to get in over my head (like I'd let that happen), or, more likely, hold anyone up... : ) - Jeannette From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 8 10:39:55 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA17210; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 10:39:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA21718; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 10:39:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06717; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 10:39:42 -0500 (EST) Received: by hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD1C21.5BCB23A0@XXXXXX>; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 10:37:03 -0500 Message-ID: From: To: , Subject: RE: Ride Sunday (?)..coast racing Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 10:37:02 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 87 TEXT You wouldn't be holding me up. Dale says you and I ride a lot a like taking corners slow and easy when you unsure like me. We'll have fun no matter what! Tracy Horstman '87 Suzuki Savage 650 "There are 2 types of computer users in the world: Those that have lost data and those that are going to....." ---------- From: O'Brien, Jeannette[SMTP:jlobrien@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, January 08, 1998 9:02 AM To: 'Alan Lapp'; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Ride Sunday (?)..coast racing Ok, the big question for me is, since I'm a newbie, will I be able to have fun on this ride or should I not go? In other words, will this be all experienced racer-type riders? Just wondering...don't want to get in over my head (like I'd let that happen), or, more likely, hold anyone up... : ) - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Alan Lapp [SMTP:level_5_ltd@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, January 08, 1998 8:57 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Ride Sunday (?)..coast racing > > >In a message dated 98-01-07 15:09:01 EST, you write: > > > ><< Engine off coast racing" >> > > > >Is VERY dangerous and should only be done by experienced > people....ie. NOT > >newbies. Reason being is that there is no engine braking and traction > is much > >less than with the engine running (see torque/friction). > >Sounds fun tho. > > > >Jack > > Jack, I have to agree with you as to the dangers of coast racing, > however I > disagree as to the reason. > > Traction is not reduced in a no-power situation. It is merely > distributed > diferently. When the throttle is opened, weight transfers towards the > rear > of the bike. The absence of this effect would eliminate 2 classic > problems > with high powered sport bikes upon the exit of a corner: rear wheel > power > slides, and pushing/tucking/chattering the front end due to weight > transfer. > > The true danger of coast racing is human nature. People engaged in > coast > racing are in a competition, and as such, often ride over their heads. > The > specific problem is the desire to stay off the brakes leading to > execesive > corner entry speeds. > > Also, coast racing requires a diferent riding technique than that of a > high > powered sport bike: the classic arcing line (often called the > "Hailwood" > line, after Mike The Bike Hailwood, bless his soul) rather than the > more > agressive 'squaring off' of the corner, which minimizes the time > leaned > over, thus maximizing the time in a more vertical state which is > advantageous to both braking and accelerating. > > And, as long as I'm being pedantic, engine braking is a terrible way > to > slow down: it is *really* imprecise, and the expendible parts are > quite > expensive compared to brake pads! > > Al > level_5_ltd@XXXXXX > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 8 10:50:11 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA17327; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 10:50:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA21811; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 10:50:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.clark.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06981; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 10:49:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from clark.net (explorer.clark.net [168.143.0.7]) by mail.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA25678; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 10:49:52 -0500 (EST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Received: (from louis@localhost) by clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA15293; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 10:49:43 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199801081549.KAA15293@clark.net> Subject: Re: Ride Sunday (?)..coast racing To: jlobrien@XXXXXX (O'Brien, Jeannette) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 10:49:42 -0500 (EST) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) In-Reply-To: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D34F40A@badge.tuckerflyer.com> from "O'Brien, Jeannette" at Jan 8, 98 09:02:51 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24alpha3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > > Ok, the big question for me is, since I'm a newbie, will I be able to > have fun on this ride or should I not go? In other words, will this be > all experienced racer-type riders? Just wondering...don't want to get > in over my head (like I'd let that happen), or, more likely, hold anyone > up... : ) > > - Jeannette Nah. If we were to do it, it would probably only be one hill. And I wouldn't do a race down: "who gets there first" as that is too competitive, and involves bikes in close proximity. With "who can go the farthest," at least riders can be spaced out and not in each others way. Put a rock or something to mark where you stopped, then get the bike out of the way for the next person. And it probably wouldn't be good to do either of these on a road with notable traffic. Maybe if someone knows of a little used hill? (My parents live on a perfect one, but alas, it's in CT. Maybe if we can find a good isolated place to do this we can make it an unofficial event another day. Louis From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 8 11:03:40 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA17612; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 11:03:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA21960; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 11:03:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07439; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 11:03:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from default ([12.68.76.34]) by mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA5595; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 16:03:00 +0000 Reply-To: From: "kevin thomas" To: "Adams, Bill" , "\"'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'\"" Subject: Re: MD riding suggestion box... Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 11:00:06 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19980108160258.AAA5595@default> Yeah, I've never had a problem with the MD roads. I admit some of the VA roads we rode on the early-december CAMS ride were less travelled than some MD roads, but for sub-racetrack speeds it wouldn't matter. That'd change if I went as far out of town as we did that day, too. And I see _many_ fewer cops on my MD rides than we did that day. That whole Tridelphia area is quite nice. Nowhere near Philadelphia ;-) , I go thru Damascus and call it a day when I hit Columbia..... Later Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 8 12:29:42 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA19390; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 12:29:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA23235; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 12:29:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA09661; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 12:29:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id MAA03790; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 12:28:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (nmta2.mcit.com [166.37.172.3]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id LAA07813; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 11:27:43 -0600 (CST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19980108172742.YBTG6587@[166.41.242.141]>; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 12:27:42 -0500 Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 12:17 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: "'Loupil'" , "Akers, Philip" , allmine , annie mundy , "Audrey.Wiegard" , baldwin2 , baldwin2 , baretta , bartp , Berri Reminick , BikerSid , "'bill in richmond'" , Bill Schmidt , "bill.maggs" , blase.morgan@XXXXXX, bmonaco , Bob Tobias , Brian Mccoy , bruce_hardy , "'Bryan T. Douglas'" , "bryan.douglas" , BWEINER , "C.Fagan/MSC01" , chris kleponis , chris norloff , Clark Dorman , cnorloff , "Jones, William COL - G3" , "Collin T. Fagan" , cometk , conteh , Crawfordpr , ct15 , curtis hintze , dale coyner , Daniel Dutch , Dark Hacker , Dave Nunn , dave otis , Dave Strout , "'david silver'" , DavidW , "'dennis hughs'" , dhugh , Doug Bellomo , "'drew cooper'" , Edward_Shea@XXXXXX, frank supik , Fritz Ames , "Gil M. Nissley" , HDWarp80 , herb manell , herb_manell , hugh maher , indy234 , jae , james w carr , jbalders , jcagney , jcarver , jckozyn@XXXXXX, "Jeannette O'Brien" , "'Jeffrey Berkin'" , Jeff_Swank , jgiglio , jimb , jockodc , john claman , john schaaf , "Weinstein, John, Dr, NSS" , "John.Nelson" , "john.schaaf" , joneswl , JonSpittle , jrduffy@XXXXXX, judy soukup , juttekraus , jwfreyjr , kays1 , Ken Bour , kevin thomas , larry wilson , larry_wilson , Lgvxlh883 , linda tanner , louis betancourt , louis caplan , lvarouxis , Mark Elledge , Matt Elliott - DIGEX , "'matt farina'" , matt hayes , Matthew Ducey , meierch , merscht , meyer , Michael Dow , mike , "'Mike Lee'" , Morris Berman , mxc11@XXXXXX, neweiss , nomad98 , "Paul A. Douglas" , "Paul W. Wisneskey" , pdenno , "Perry D. Coleman" , peter soukup , "PRogers.dit" , Randy Chartier <74537.1737@XXXXXX>, Randy.Chartier@XXXXXX, remenick , RFRAER@XXXXXX, RichDe@XXXXXX, Robert M Darden , robertst , r_k_dow , sae pak , "Sandra.Gladysz" , scotje , slarrab@XXXXXX, SRFox , Steele Gordon , Stephan Lee , "STEPHEN R. LOHMAN" <103126.2533@XXXXXX>, "sbeck@XXXXXX" , steveb , STEVE_JOHNSON , tbgliz , tbgrogha , terpstra , "Higdon, SFC Thomas" , "tod r. botcher" , Tracy Minter , "venture.royale" , "Osidach, Vera Z." , vzo1 , "w.r. ohara" , wef , "McLoone, William J." , dc-cycles Subject: HSTA STAR98 X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980108172742.YBTG6587@[166.41.242.141]> STAR is the annual HSTA national gathering. This year it will be in TAOS, New Mexico beginning June 21, ending June 24 at the SageBrush Inn and Conference Center (it's a resort). For the registration fee, you get a bunch of junk, a door prize ticket, and I understand they give away a new Honda (a VTR1000 last year). Aside from the reputation this part of NM has for excellent roads, there will be demo rides on Honda, and so far Yamaha. Linda Tanner and I are making our way out for this event and will then travel out west for awhile more. I believe she will be heading back home within a two week time frame. I will be out for three, if I can get the time off. The event is for HSTA members, but that never stopped Steve Beck ;-) and the registration fee is $35 early and $45 at the event. Again, if you're Steve Beck, you just go for the ride which is why me and Linda are going too! If anyone would like to join us, HSTA members or not, let us know! Or if you plan to be out west between June 21 and July 7 (when I plan to head back) we'd love to meet up with you. The tentative plan now is to rent a truck (leaving June 19) and haul out to Oklahoma, then ride the rest of the way in. Re: get past the boring stuff. For more information about the HSTA: http://members.aol.com/hstawww/index.html Todd +-----------------------------+---------------+ | '91 ST1100 - Raven STeel | STOC #487 | | '92 CB750 - Carbon Beauty | HSTA #7615 | | '83 VT500 - Dark Shadow | AMA #542907 | +-----------------------------+---------------+ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 8 12:58:35 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA19932; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 12:58:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA24402; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 12:58:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from PASHA.COM by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA10462; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 12:58:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from PASHA-Message_Server by PASHA.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 08 Jan 1998 12:52:20 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 12:57:32 -0500 From: Sean Sullivan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, badams@XXXXXX, klthomas@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Maryland Riding Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Re: Maryland Riding Kevin, please advise on the Tridelphia area. What routes are you using? Thanks, Sean >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That whole Tridelphia area is quite nice. Nowhere near Philadelphia ;-) , I go thru Damascus and call it a day when I hit Columbia..... Later Kevin <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 8 13:06:45 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA20086; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 13:06:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA24585; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 13:06:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA10687; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 13:06:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id NAA18525; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 13:06:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (nmta2.mcit.com [166.37.172.3]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id MAA12176; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 12:06:00 -0600 (CST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19980108180600.YNNU6587@[166.41.242.141]>; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 13:06:00 -0500 Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 12:54 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: dc-cycles , C.Fagan/MSC01@XXXXXX Subject: Re: HSTA STAR98 In reply to 82DB069444E4 X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980108180600.YNNU6587@[166.41.242.141]> Elk City. That seemed like the more populated type town on the map that we could drop off a u-haul. Yeah, definitely would be nice to have some friends lend us a place to stay that evening. Thanks! T From: C.Fagan/MSC01@XXXXXX Message-Id: Subject: HSTA STAR98 In reply to 82DB069444E4 Date: 8 Jan 98 12:42:17 EST To: Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX Todd, Where abouts in Oklahoma do you plan on hauling to and stopping??? I've got more family in that area than you can shake a stick at...I'm definitely sure I can arrange for a hot shower and good meal somehwere in additon to plenty of couch/sleeping bag space to crash.. Let me know...My brother lives about two hours from the New Mexico border and its right on the main throughfare to Taos...If ya need any other area info let me know... Feel free to forward this to everyone else as I'm not able to do a reply all on this cursed green machine we still use.... Collin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 8 13:16:22 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA20198; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 13:16:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA24696; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 13:16:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from PASHA.COM by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA10959; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 13:16:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from PASHA-Message_Server by PASHA.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 08 Jan 1998 13:10:20 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 13:15:57 -0500 From: Sean Sullivan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Sunday Ride (?) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Re: Sunday Ride (?) Todd, I thought Galileo showed a skinny rider on a sportbike falls as fast as a big guy on an ST1100. :) Sean Todd to Louis: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of course you would! You'd come close to winning on that big assed Concours. However, unless some GoldWinger shows, rest assured the ST1100 with its 650+ pounds carrying its 230+ pound payload will win due to the enormous momentum involved. You sport bike guys can kiss it goodbye, especially if there is a breeze blowing uphill ;-) Todd +-----------------------------+---------------+ | '91 ST1100 - Raven STeel | STOC #487 | | '92 CB750 - Carbon Beauty | HSTA #7615 | | '83 VT500 - Dark Shadow | AMA #542907 | +-----------------------------+---------------+ <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 8 13:22:43 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA20279; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 13:22:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA24821; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 13:22:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from andromeda.orionsci.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA11244; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 13:22:33 -0500 (EST) Received: by andromeda.orionsci.com; id MAA25704; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 12:48:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from athena.orionsci.com(192.246.204.54) by andromeda.orionsci.com via smap (V3.1) id xma025701; Thu, 8 Jan 98 12:48:43 -0500 Received: from orionsci.com ([192.246.204.220]) by athena.orionsci.com (post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-12174) with ESMTP id AAA24944; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 13:10:19 -0500 Message-ID: <34B51518.5B9B0330@orionsci.com> Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 13:04:10 -0500 From: names@XXXXXX (Ames, Neil F.) Organization: ORION Scientific Systems, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Todd Peer CC: "'Loupil'" , "Akers, Philip" , allmine , annie mundy , "Audrey.Wiegard" , baldwin2 , baretta , bartp , Berri Reminick , BikerSid , "'bill in richmond'" , Bill Schmidt , "bill.maggs" , blase.morgan@XXXXXX, bmonaco , Bob Tobias , Brian Mccoy , bruce_hardy , "'Bryan T. Douglas'" , "bryan.douglas" , BWEINER , "C.Fagan/MSC01" , chris kleponis , chris norloff , Clark Dorman , cnorloff , "Jones, William COL - G3" , "Collin T. Fagan" , cometk , conteh , Crawfordpr , ct15 , curtis hintze , dale coyner , Daniel Dutch , Dark Hacker , Dave Nunn , dave otis , Dave Strout , "'david silver'" , DavidW , "'dennis hughs'" , dhugh , Doug Bellomo , "'drew cooper'" , Edward_Shea@XXXXXX, frank supik , "Gil M. Nissley" , HDWarp80 , herb manell , herb_manell , hugh maher , indy234 , jae , james w carr , jbalders , jcagney , jcarver , jckozyn@XXXXXX, "Jeannette O'Brien" , "'Jeffrey Berkin'" , Jeff_Swank , jgiglio , jimb , jockodc , john claman , john schaaf , "Weinstein, John, Dr, NSS" , "John.Nelson" , "john.schaaf" , joneswl , JonSpittle , jrduffy@XXXXXX, judy soukup , juttekraus , jwfreyjr , kays1 , Ken Bour , kevin thomas , larry wilson , larry_wilson , Lgvxlh883 , linda tanner , louis betancourt , louis caplan , lvarouxis , Mark Elledge , Matt Elliott - DIGEX , "'matt farina'" , matt hayes , Matthew Ducey , meierch , merscht , meyer , Michael Dow , mike , "'Mike Lee'" , Morris Berman , mxc11@XXXXXX, neweiss , nomad98 , "Paul A. Douglas" , "Paul W. Wisneskey" , pdenno , "Perry D. Coleman" , peter soukup , "PRogers.dit" , Randy Chartier <74537.1737@XXXXXX>, Randy.Chartier@XXXXXX, remenick , RFRAER@XXXXXX, RichDe@XXXXXX, Robert M Darden , robertst , r_k_dow , sae pak , "Sandra.Gladysz" , scotje , slarrab@XXXXXX, SRFox , Steele Gordon , Stephan Lee , "STEPHEN R. LOHMAN" <103126.2533@XXXXXX>, "sbeck@XXXXXX" , steveb , STEVE_JOHNSON , tbgliz , tbgrogha , terpstra , "Higdon, SFC Thomas" , "tod r. botcher" , Tracy Minter , "venture.royale" , "Osidach, Vera Z." , vzo1 , "w.r. ohara" , wef , "McLoone, William J." , dc-cycles Subject: Re: HSTA STAR98 References: <19980108172742.YBTG6587@[166.41.242.141]> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------7A30FA887659F7325BE08F9A" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------7A30FA887659F7325BE08F9A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't mean to steal attention from Todd's trip plans, but I figure that there are anough people for several trips this year. The Honda Hoot, in Asheville, is during the same weekend. The Lake George, NY Americade deal is within a week or two of that weekend. I know that getting accomodations *now* is the thing to do. Let's all try to get a few group trips organized. I've got a friend who wants to go to Jackson Hole in July to climb Grand Teton, and I am toying with riding out and doing the climb. Just a few ideas... --Fritz Todd Peer wrote: > STAR is the annual HSTA national gathering. This year it will be in > TAOS, New Mexico beginning June 21, ending June 24 at the SageBrush > Inn and Conference Center (it's a resort). For the registration fee, > you get a bunch of junk, a door prize ticket, and I understand they > give away a new Honda (a VTR1000 last year). > > Aside from the reputation this part of NM has for excellent roads, > there will be demo rides on Honda, and so far Yamaha. > > Linda Tanner and I are making our way out for this event and will then > travel out west for awhile more. I believe she will be heading back > home within a two week time frame. I will be out for three, if I can > get the time off. > > The event is for HSTA members, but that never stopped Steve Beck ;-) > and the registration fee is $35 early and $45 at the event. Again, > if you're Steve Beck, you just go for the ride which is why me and > Linda are going too! > > If anyone would like to join us, HSTA members or not, let us know! > Or if you plan to be out west between June 21 and July 7 (when I plan > to head back) we'd love to meet up with you. > > The tentative plan now is to rent a truck (leaving June 19) and haul > out to Oklahoma, then ride the rest of the way in. Re: get past the > boring stuff. > > For more information about the HSTA: > > http://members.aol.com/hstawww/index.html > > Todd > +-----------------------------+---------------+ > | '91 ST1100 - Raven STeel | STOC #487 | > | '92 CB750 - Carbon Beauty | HSTA #7615 | > | '83 VT500 - Dark Shadow | AMA #542907 | > +-----------------------------+---------------+ --------------7A30FA887659F7325BE08F9A Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="vcard.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Neil Ames Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vcard.vcf" begin: vcard fn: Neil Ames n: Ames;Neil org: ORION Scientific Systems adr: 8400 Westpark Dr., Suite 200;;;McLean;Virginia;22102;USA email;internet: names@XXXXXX title: MIS Manager / Senior Associate tel;work: (703) 917-6220 tel;fax: (703) 917-0394 tel;home: (703) 351-0797 x-mozilla-cpt: ;0 x-mozilla-html: FALSE version: 2.1 end: vcard --------------7A30FA887659F7325BE08F9A-- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 8 13:31:15 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA20412; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 13:31:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA25034; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 13:30:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA11682; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 13:30:55 -0500 (EST) From: C.Fagan/MSC01@XXXXXX Received: from SMTP (auntie_virus.osc.uscg.mil [10.49.120.11]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA27297; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 13:47:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from internet.uscg.mil ([192.168.49.8]) by 10.49.120.11 (Norton AntiVirus for Internet Email Gateways 1.0) ; Thu, 08 Jan 1998 18:30:36 0000 (GMT) Received: From InternetGateway by internet.uscg.mil with InterMail (5.4 MIME) Id MSC01-099947@XXXXXX ; 8 Jan 98 13:30:00 EST Message-Id: Subject: Re: HSTA STAR98 In reply to 82DB069444E4 Date: 8 Jan 98 13:24:56 EST To: Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX cc: !dc-cycles/InternetGateway@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ELK CITY!! mwa ha ha ha..... Burned out oil field town... However, it's an ok place and hotels and such are cheap.... What road were you planning on taking to Taos??? I'll have to look at a map again, as I never headed out to NM very often... Just a bit north of Elk City is a town named WoodWard on hwy 270 ( I think this heads straight to Taos) It's also an old oilfield town that is a little more alive still... Either way, you are talking out in the BOONIES!!! My brother lives just north of Elk City and a bit East of Woodward...He definitely has room to park a u-haul at his place, and depending on the numbers, I'me sure he could host a few people for a night (I will have to approve that with the RULING GODDESS of his home though)..but u-haul storage I can approve :) I'll have to see when My family reunion is scheduled this year...I may join along for the trek... Collin ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ****** FORWARDED MESSAGE ****** Date: Jan 8, 1998 12:54 PM Message ID: 82DB0F52457C From: Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX/Internet To: dc-cycles , C.Fagan/MSC01@XXXXXX Copies: Blind CC: Attach: Subject: Re: HSTA STAR98 In reply to 82DB069444E4 Elk City. That seemed like the more populated type town on the map that we could drop off a u-haul. Yeah, definitely would be nice to have some friends lend us a place to stay that evening. Thanks! T From: C.Fagan/MSC01@XXXXXX Message-Id: Subject: HSTA STAR98 In reply to 82DB069444E4 Date: 8 Jan 98 12:42:17 EST To: Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX Todd, Where abouts in Oklahoma do you plan on hauling to and stopping??? I've got more family in that area than you can shake a stick at...I'm definitely sure I can arrange for a hot shower and good meal somehwere in additon to plenty of couch/sleeping bag space to crash.. Let me know...My brother lives about two hours from the New Mexico border and its right on the main throughfare to Taos...If ya need any other area info let me know... Feel free to forward this to everyone else as I'm not able to do a reply all on this cursed green machine we still use.... Collin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 8 13:32:51 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA20457; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 13:32:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA25087; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 13:32:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from oak.eainet.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA11727; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 13:32:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from oak.eainet.com (oak.eainet.com [206.136.246.2]) by oak.eainet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA15172; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 13:32:37 -0500 Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 13:32:36 -0500 (EST) From: Peter Hartzler To: Sean Sullivan cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Sunday Ride (?) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sean -- Galileo's experiment did not take into account the storage of energy in a rotating component of the moving object (angular momentum, the wheels). Nor did Galileo's experiment account for dynamic drag, which is roughly a function of velocity, fluid viscosity, frontal area and length (Reynold's number), not mass. You didn't *really* want to start a public thread on this stuff on DC-Cycles, now did you?? :) Pete. On Thu, 8 Jan 1998, Sean Sullivan wrote: > Re: Sunday Ride (?) > > Todd, > I thought Galileo showed a skinny rider on a sportbike falls as fast as a big guy on an > ST1100. :) > Sean [snip -- fizix stuff] From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 8 13:38:48 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA20571; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 13:38:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA25427; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 13:38:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA11917; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 13:38:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id MAA20187; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 12:37:48 -0600 (CST) Received: from imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid01.mcit.com [166.37.221.13]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id NAA15631; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 13:37:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19980108183747.SHET215@[166.41.242.141]>; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 12:37:47 -0600 Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 13:23 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: Sean Sullivan CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Sunday Ride (?) X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980108183747.SHET215@[166.41.242.141]> In a vacuum my dear sir gravity effects all objects equally. An extreme comparison in our friction filled atmosphere makes my point though. Hold a feather (sport bike) and a brick (ST1100) at the same level and release. Which one reaches earth first? T Message-Id: Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 13:15:57 -0500 From: Sean Sullivan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Sunday Ride (?) Content-Disposition: inline Re: Sunday Ride (?) Todd, I thought Galileo showed a skinny rider on a sportbike falls as fast as a big guy on an ST1100. :) Sean Todd to Louis: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of course you would! You'd come close to winning on that big assed Concours. However, unless some GoldWinger shows, rest assured the ST1100 with its 650+ pounds carrying its 230+ pound payload will win due to the enormous momentum involved. You sport bike guys can kiss it goodbye, especially if there is a breeze blowing uphill ;-) Todd +-----------------------------+---------------+ | '91 ST1100 - Raven STeel | STOC #487 | | '92 CB750 - Carbon Beauty | HSTA #7615 | | '83 VT500 - Dark Shadow | AMA #542907 | +-----------------------------+---------------+ <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 8 13:51:20 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA20788; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 13:51:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA25908; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 13:51:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA12214; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 13:50:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id MAA24739; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 12:50:28 -0600 (CST) Received: from nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (nmta2.mcit.com [166.37.172.3]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id NAA14317; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 13:50:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from mci.com ([166.32.114.127]) by nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with ESMTP id <19980108185028.YZED6587@XXXXXX>; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 13:50:28 -0500 Message-ID: <34B51FF3.F6F6F9A6@mci.com> Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 13:50:27 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Reply-To: Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Peter Hartzler CC: DC Cycles List Subject: Re: Sunday Ride (?) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reynold's number - AUGGGGHHH! I haven't heard of that since college. This Aerospace Engineering Degree of mine won't do me any good someday when I need it. Computer stuff keeps displacing what little knowledge I had. Won't the variation of pressure with altitude factor into any of these calculations? Or would you consider the effect constant even with the difference in wetted areas between bike+rider combinations? Dale (the Horkster) Peter Hartzler wrote: > Sean -- > > Galileo's experiment did not take into account the storage of energy in a > rotating component of the moving object (angular momentum, the wheels). > Nor did Galileo's experiment account for dynamic drag, which is roughly a > function of velocity, fluid viscosity, frontal area and length (Reynold's > number), not mass. > > You didn't *really* want to start a public thread on this stuff on > DC-Cycles, now did you?? :) > > Pete. > > On Thu, 8 Jan 1998, Sean Sullivan wrote: > > > Re: Sunday Ride (?) > > > > Todd, > > I thought Galileo showed a skinny rider on a sportbike falls as fast as a big guy on an > > ST1100. :) > > Sean > > [snip -- fizix stuff] From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 8 13:58:40 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA20930; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 13:58:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA25990; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 13:58:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from xcgca011.northgrum.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA12432; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 13:58:25 -0500 (EST) Received: by XCGCA011 with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 10:59:10 -0800 Message-ID: <11D743514607D011A15500805FEA3464A45DAF@xcgva001.grumman.com> From: "Meier, Christopher" To: Sean Sullivan , "'Todd Peer'" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Sunday Ride (?) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 10:58:25 -0800 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain > ---------- > From: Todd Peer[SMTP:Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, January 08, 1998 1:23 PM > To: Sean Sullivan > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Sunday Ride (?) > > In a vacuum my dear sir gravity effects all objects equally. An > extreme comparison in our friction filled atmosphere makes my point > though. Hold a feather (sport bike) and a brick (ST1100) at the > same level and release. Which one reaches earth first? > > Todd, Of course that could be offset by aerodynamics ... hold a arrow (sport bike) and a barn door (ST1100) at the same level and release ... But it is really a mute point anyway, since us guys all know from our Cub Scout days that the one who wins is the one with the most graphite on the wheels! :-) Later, chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 8 14:02:42 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA20986; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 14:02:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from ringding.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA26053; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 14:02:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil by ringding.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA09253; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 14:02:28 -0500 (EST) From: C.Fagan/MSC01@XXXXXX Received: from SMTP (auntie_virus.osc.uscg.mil [10.49.120.11]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA00527; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 14:19:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from internet.uscg.mil ([192.168.49.8]) by 10.49.120.11 (Norton AntiVirus for Internet Email Gateways 1.0) ; Thu, 08 Jan 1998 19:02:07 0000 (GMT) Received: From InternetGateway by internet.uscg.mil with InterMail (5.4 MIME) Id MSC01-099957@XXXXXX ; 8 Jan 98 14:01:31 EST Message-Id: Subject: Re: HSTA STAR98 In reply to 82DB069444E4 Date: 8 Jan 98 13:54:25 EST To: Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX cc: !dc-cycles/InternetGateway@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Duh, it just hit me that you would be turning in the U-haul rather than paying for it for three weeks... Again, let me know what main road you're taking and I can let you know what's most convenient for drop off.... I'm pretty sure Elk City, Woodward, Weatherford, or Enid all have u-haul drop offs... I'll have to check, but I think a few of the smaller towns near my bro have u-haul places too... All depends on what roads you plan on using and if ya wanna crash with my brother (he's a bit more obnocious than me he he he scary thought, ain't it)... Collin ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ****** FORWARDED MESSAGE ****** Date: Jan 8, 1998 1:32 PM Message ID: 82DB17CE4627 From: Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX/Internet To: C.Fagan/MSC01@XXXXXX Copies: !dc-cycles/InternetGateway@XXXXXX Blind CC: Attach: Subject: Re: HSTA STAR98 In reply to 82DB069444E4 Kewl! Love to have you along! But it sounds like there may not be a drop off for the truck there. I need to stop in a u-haul and talk to 'em. The trip involve the truck only for a day. The rest is riding. Todd From: C.Fagan/MSC01@XXXXXX Message-Id: Subject: Re: HSTA STAR98 In reply to 82DB069444E4 Date: 8 Jan 98 13:24:56 EST To: Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX cc: !dc-cycles/InternetGateway@XXXXXX ELK CITY!! mwa ha ha ha..... Burned out oil field town... However, it's an ok place and hotels and such are cheap.... What road were you planning on taking to Taos??? I'll have to look at a map again, as I never headed out to NM very often... Just a bit north of Elk City is a town named WoodWard on hwy 270 ( I think this heads straight to Taos) It's also an old oilfield town that is a little more alive still... Either way, you are talking out in the BOONIES!!! My brother lives just north of Elk City and a bit East of Woodward...He definitely has room to park a u-haul at his place, and depending on the numbers, I'me sure he could host a few people for a night (I will have to approve that with the RULING GODDESS of his home though)..but u-haul storage I can approve :) I'll have to see when My family reunion is scheduled this year...I may join along for the trek... Collin ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ****** FORWARDED MESSAGE ****** Date: Jan 8, 1998 12:54 PM Message ID: 82DB0F52457C From: Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX/Internet To: dc-cycles , C.Fagan/MSC01@XXXXXX Copies: Blind CC: Attach: Subject: Re: HSTA STAR98 In reply to 82DB069444E4 Elk City. That seemed like the more populated type town on the map that we could drop off a u-haul. Yeah, definitely would be nice to have some friends lend us a place to stay that evening. Thanks! T From: C.Fagan/MSC01@XXXXXX Message-Id: Subject: HSTA STAR98 In reply to 82DB069444E4 Date: 8 Jan 98 12:42:17 EST To: Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX Todd, Where abouts in Oklahoma do you plan on hauling to and stopping??? I've got more family in that area than you can shake a stick at...I'm definitely sure I can arrange for a hot shower and good meal somehwere in additon to plenty of couch/sleeping bag space to crash.. Let me know...My brother lives about two hours from the New Mexico border and its right on the main throughfare to Taos...If ya need any other area info let me know... Feel free to forward this to everyone else as I'm not able to do a reply all on this cursed green machine we still use.... Collin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 8 14:25:48 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA21358; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 14:25:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA26999; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 14:25:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from research.circ.gwu.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA00994; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 14:25:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from gwis2.circ.gwu.edu (mpt@gwis2 [128.164.127.252]) by research.circ.gwu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA05975; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 14:25:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (mpt@localhost) by gwis2.circ.gwu.edu (SMI-8.6/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA29656; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 14:25:31 -0500 Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 14:25:31 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Tolocka To: Dale Horstman cc: Peter Hartzler , DC Cycles List Subject: Re: Sunday Ride (?) In-Reply-To: <34B51FF3.F6F6F9A6@mci.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Just some questions from a combustion scientist: I thought the Reynolds number of a system had to do with turbulence, i.e numbers over like 2000 indicates the flow is not laminar, but turbulent. Re = (density*velocity*radius)/(viscosity) Wouldn't the Reynolds number of the system be the same for both cases? IF it isn't, how does the Reynolds number affect the rate of speed for the fall? _aloha_ _Mike_ AMA#608333 1990 CB-1 _Keep the shiny side up_ On Thu, 8 Jan 1998, Dale Horstman wrote: > Reynold's number - AUGGGGHHH! I haven't heard of that since > college. This Aerospace Engineering Degree of mine > won't do me any good someday when I need it. Computer stuff keeps > displacing what little knowledge I had. > > Won't the variation of pressure with altitude factor into any of these > calculations? Or would you consider the effect constant even with > the difference in wetted areas between bike+rider combinations? > > Dale (the Horkster) > > Peter Hartzler wrote: > > > Sean -- > > > > Galileo's experiment did not take into account the storage of energy in a > > rotating component of the moving object (angular momentum, the wheels). > > Nor did Galileo's experiment account for dynamic drag, which is roughly a > > function of velocity, fluid viscosity, frontal area and length (Reynold's > > number), not mass. > > > > You didn't *really* want to start a public thread on this stuff on > > DC-Cycles, now did you?? :) > > > > Pete. > > > > On Thu, 8 Jan 1998, Sean Sullivan wrote: > > > > > Re: Sunday Ride (?) > > > > > > Todd, > > > I thought Galileo showed a skinny rider on a sportbike falls as fast as a big guy on an > > > ST1100. :) > > > Sean > > > > [snip -- fizix stuff] > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 8 14:36:48 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA21550; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 14:36:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA27323; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 14:36:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA01313; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 14:36:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from default ([12.68.76.104]) by mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA8096; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 19:36:01 +0000 Message-ID: <34B529E0.2191@worldnet.att.net> Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 14:32:49 -0500 From: kevin thomas Reply-To: klthomas@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sean Sullivan CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, badams@XXXXXX Subject: Re: tridelphia References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sean-- Let me see if I can pull some routes out of the fog...... I guess I take (damn, I can't even remember how to get to Damascus! Better check a map before you follow this) 124 or 27 (which we took [27] to the Trials, Sean) to Damascus, when it ends, or nearly ends at a mall, turn right on 108(?). Follow that till it turns into (intersects? Really check that map) New Hampshire av, then left on Brighton Dam Rd. You'll shortly cross the Tridelphia Resevoir, which is a big bulge in the Patuxent River. There's a wildlife area there, famous for Azaleas. I really don't know where I go after that. The roads are a bit smaller and rural. Seems you'll come to a stopsign. Kinda take the right fork there for a semi direct way over to 32, or left and ride around. Seems all roads there loop around to that one at the stop sign, so you can't get too lost. That's how I do it, just find a nice looking place and get lost there.... have fun Kevin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 8 14:49:03 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA21739; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 14:49:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA27548; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 14:48:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA01673; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 14:48:45 -0500 (EST) From: RDWOODJR Message-ID: Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 14:40:22 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Synthetic Oil....leaks???? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) << People say they were abducted by space aliens, Richard says synthetic oil leaks out of bikes that didn't leak regular oil. I don't want to say it didn't happen, but it sure didn't happen to anybody when I was there to see it. I think I should store this response for the quarterly return of this thread....... Later Kevin >> Ok, Kev, I was just relating personal observations after 22 years of parts and service department management experince at large motorcycle dealerships. Can't say it happens ervery time, I only saw it when it did. Richard From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 8 14:58:27 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA21897; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 14:58:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA27624; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 14:58:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA01986; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 14:58:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id NAA21157 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 13:57:40 -0600 (CST) Received: from nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (nmta2.mcit.com [166.37.172.3]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id NAA24303 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 13:57:38 -0600 (CST) Received: from mci.com ([166.32.114.127]) by nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with ESMTP id <19980108195738.ZSGH6587@XXXXXX> for ; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 14:57:38 -0500 Message-ID: <34B52FB1.44301DA0@mci.com> Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 14:57:37 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Reply-To: Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: lost? References: <34B529E0.2191@worldnet.att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey, I've been telling the wife this for a while, you ain't lost if you aren't going anywhere in particular. If you don't have a ride preplanned, just get out there and follow your nose. I like to just take off and in general head south and west from my house. I know at some point (this is for N. VA area ) I'll have to cross Rte 1/I95 on the East, some long main road like Rt 15 on the West, and I66 for a Northern boundary. I just run until I come across one of those, and then I zip home. If I get to any state borders, I've gone too far! Of couse, I do bring along a map just in case! *wink* kevin thomas wrote: > Sean-- > > Let me see if I can pull some routes out of the fog...... > > > That's how I do it, just find a nice looking place and > get lost there.... > > have fun > > Kevin > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 8 15:12:52 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA22169; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 15:12:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA27763; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 15:12:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from DONALD.CDER.FDA.GOV by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA02380; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 15:12:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mr.cder.fda.gov by fdaserv.cder.fda.gov (PMDF V5.1-8 #21467) id <01IS500BE1WG8ZHACM@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 15:13:02 EST Received: with PMDF-MR; Thu, 08 Jan 1998 15:07:56 -0500 (EST) MR-Received: by mta DONALD; Relayed; Thu, 08 Jan 1998 15:07:56 -0500 Alternate-recipient: prohibited Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 15:08:16 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy Subject: Re: tridelphia To: DC Cycles Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Posting-date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 15:08:17 -0500 (EST) Importance: normal Priority: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential UA-content-id: E1553IER39GBQ X400-MTS-identifier: [;65705180108991/2238805@FDACD] A1-type: MAIL Hop-count: 1 >Really check that map) New Hampshire av, then left on Brighton Dam Rd. I'm pretty sure that Brighton Dam Rd is currently closed (the names of all the dam roads run together in my head...), also Browns Bridge Rd/Ednor Rd, and Haviland Mill Rd. I took the long way home from work a couple of weeks ago and kept finding that most of my options for heading east were closed. I will do another run by to see if the situation has changed. Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 8 15:19:27 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA22271; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 15:19:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA27971; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 15:19:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA02565; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 15:19:12 -0500 (EST) From: Jinn Sinn Message-ID: <57f88967.34b5330b@aol.com> Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 15:11:55 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: SATURDAY RIDE Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) OK one more time.....who wants to go Saturday......leave around 11? back by 4ish? anybody care to lead? (don't look at me....I'm a lowly newbie) Marcy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 8 15:47:20 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA22744; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 15:47:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA29492; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 15:46:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.clark.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA03414; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 15:46:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from clark.net (louis@XXXXXX [168.143.0.7]) by mail.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA15583; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 15:46:52 -0500 (EST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Received: (from louis@localhost) by clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA26347; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 15:46:50 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199801082046.PAA26347@clark.net> Subject: Re: SATURDAY RIDE To: JinnSinn@XXXXXX (Jinn Sinn) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 15:46:49 -0500 (EST) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) In-Reply-To: <57f88967.34b5330b@aol.com> from "Jinn Sinn" at Jan 8, 98 03:11:55 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24alpha3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > > OK one more time.....who wants to go Saturday......leave around 11? back by > 4ish? > anybody care to lead? (don't look at me....I'm a lowly newbie) > > Marcy I'm game. If no one else steps up, I'll even lead. I have the route sheets for a 90 mile run starting from the old Dixie Pig (Beacon Mall on Rt. 1 in Alexandria) Louis From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 8 15:59:27 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA22914; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 15:59:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA29700; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 15:59:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from dns01.ops.usa.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA03741; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 15:59:08 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 26482 invoked by alias); 8 Jan 1998 20:59:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 26466 invoked from network); 8 Jan 1998 20:59:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jywon.imi?dc) (12.3.130.190) by dns01.ops.usa.net with SMTP; 8 Jan 1998 20:59:04 -0000 Message-ID: <004f01bd1c78$3f8cfea0$be82030c@jywon.imi_dc> Reply-To: "Justin Won" From: "Justin Won" To: Subject: Re: coast racing Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 15:58:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Gotta disagree with you on that one. Downshifting not only ensures that you're in the right gear for your speed but can also provide a significant amount of braking. I nearly perfected the art on my Nova Scotia trip when I forgot to remove my disk lock and broke my front caliper 1/4 of the way into the trip. Justin -----Original Message----- From: Wu Don To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wednesday, January 07, 1998 19:25 PM Subject: coast racing >><< Engine off coast racing" >> > >>Is VERY dangerous and should only be done by experienced people....ie. >>NOT newbies. Reason being is that there is no engine braking > >Engines aren't for braking! Engines are for accelerating! Brakes are >for braking. :) >I think Keith Code said this. Or something along those lines. > >Don From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 8 17:15:53 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA24693; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 17:15:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA02026; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 17:15:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA06070; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 17:15:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from rdt.erols.com (man-as2s37.erols.com [207.172.73.100]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA02291; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 17:15:38 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199801082215.RAA02291@smtp1.erols.com> From: "Roy D. Turner" To: "Louis F. Caplan" , "Jinn Sinn" Cc: "DC-Cycles List" Subject: Re: SATURDAY RIDE Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 17:14:07 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is 11:00 agreed upon? Roy D. Turner, Esq. ---------- > From: Louis F. Caplan > To: Jinn Sinn > Cc: DC-Cycles List > Subject: Re: SATURDAY RIDE > Date: Thursday, January 08, 1998 3:46 PM > > > > > OK one more time.....who wants to go Saturday......leave around 11? back by > > 4ish? > > anybody care to lead? (don't look at me....I'm a lowly newbie) > > > > Marcy > > I'm game. If no one else steps up, I'll even lead. I have the route > sheets for a 90 mile run starting from the old Dixie Pig (Beacon Mall > on Rt. 1 in Alexandria) > > Louis > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 8 17:15:58 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA24698; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 17:15:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA02030; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 17:15:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA06074; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 17:15:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from rdt.erols.com (man-as2s37.erols.com [207.172.73.100]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA01546; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 17:13:19 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199801082213.RAA01546@smtp1.erols.com> From: "Roy D. Turner" To: "Jinn Sinn" , Subject: Re: Ride Sunday...Make it Saturday!!!??? Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 17:11:47 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I can only ride this Saturday. What route and time do you suggest? Roy D. Turner, Esq. ---------- > From: Jinn Sinn > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Ride Sunday...Make it Saturday!!!??? > Date: Wednesday, January 07, 1998 10:28 PM > > OOPS......I have a meeting at 1 and am supposed to see a friend at > 3.(Sunday).......damn.... > anybody want to go Saturday instead??? PLEASE? :D >> > > Marcy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 8 17:20:28 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA24734; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 17:20:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA02109; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 17:20:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA06192; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 17:20:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id QAA18526; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 16:19:38 -0600 (CST) Received: from imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid02.mcit.com [166.37.221.14]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id QAA32390; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 16:19:36 -0600 (CST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19980108221935.SCMT28757@[166.41.242.141]>; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 16:19:35 -0600 Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 17:11 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: "Louis F. Caplan" CC: JinnSinn@XXXXXX (Jinn Sinn), dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) Subject: Re: SATURDAY RIDE X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980108221935.SCMT28757@[166.41.242.141]> I think I'd be up for this. Louis, can you elaborate on the route? I'd like to be in Falls Church before 4pm, which seems doable for 90 miles. Todd PS. I still may make the MD ride as well on Sunday. It'd be nice to meet some more of the MD contingent. > > OK one more time.....who wants to go Saturday......leave around 11? back by > 4ish? > anybody care to lead? (don't look at me....I'm a lowly newbie) > > Marcy I'm game. If no one else steps up, I'll even lead. I have the route sheets for a 90 mile run starting from the old Dixie Pig (Beacon Mall on Rt. 1 in Alexandria) Louis From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 8 17:43:17 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA25170; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 17:43:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA02355; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 17:42:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp2.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA06880; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 17:42:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (spg-tnt7s158.erols.com [207.172.37.158]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA04338 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 17:42:41 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <34B557B2.80F81C87@geocities.com> Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 17:48:19 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Fluid Mechanics 101 (was Sunday Ride) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I couldn't resist on this one....We're talking my background now... (Collin digging through a trunk...ahhh found it...Fundamentals of Fluid Mechanics) Sean and Michael: You are both correct.... Reynolds number is used to show laminar, boundary, and turbulent flow. However, The drag coefficient for a body can be highly dependant on the reynolds number..For a medium with a low reynolds number (Re<1), the drag coefficient works out to be a shape constant divided by the reynolds number. As Reynolds number increases, the drag coefficient begins to decrease. At the point that turbulent flow is met (10^5<10^6) their is a sudden drop in both the drag coefficient AND the actual drag...The drag coefficient from this point varies depending on the projected frontal area of the object.... As far as pressure concerns go, Horkster, unless we're talking a really really high hill, the pressure differential will be fairly negligible. And compressibility (Mach number) only comes into play if you've got a bike trying to set a land speed record ;-) Complicating things even more, the Froude number is probably pretty prevalent in our little experiment. This number has to do with the energy lost from the wave created by the body..i.e. upstream free speed of the fluid (air) to the wave speed generated....In our case (and coincidentally in line with my type of work..boats) this effect will be quite significant...(If ya ever wondered, this is why some big ships have a funny looking projection on the front called a bulbous bow...it changes the wave pattern at an optimum speed greatly lowering the froude number and the drag) As for Galileo, I think it was a pound of feathers falls at the same rate as a pound of lead, neglecting drag of course (assume tightly packed square of feathers...they should hit almost exactly together) As for our bikes, I think the bike with the lower drag coefficient (sport bikes) will attain a greater terminal velocity (which should occur very rapidly for coast racing). However, the bike with the most mass (ST1100) will travel farther due to a greater initial potential energy...arrgh..now we're talking dynamics class he he he. hmmm, guess putting in my application for the Coast Guard to pay for grad school might be a good idea after all...I'm rusty!! CT -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 8 17:47:42 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA25291; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 17:47:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA02402; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 17:47:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA07025; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 17:47:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay2.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id RAA07166; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 17:47:22 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 17:46:02 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D34F438@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Todd Peer'" , "Louis F. Caplan" Cc: JinnSinn@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: SATURDAY RIDE Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 17:45:02 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Yeah! Yeah! Ride Sunday!! - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Todd Peer [SMTP:Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, January 08, 1998 5:11 PM > To: Louis F. Caplan > Cc: JinnSinn@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: SATURDAY RIDE > > > I think I'd be up for this. Louis, can you elaborate on the route? > I'd like to be in Falls Church before 4pm, which seems doable for 90 > miles. > > Todd > > PS. I still may make the MD ride as well on Sunday. It'd be nice > to meet some more of the MD contingent. > > > > > OK one more time.....who wants to go Saturday......leave around 11? > back by > > 4ish? > > anybody care to lead? (don't look at me....I'm a lowly newbie) > > > > Marcy > > I'm game. If no one else steps up, I'll even lead. I have the route > sheets for a 90 mile run starting from the old Dixie Pig (Beacon Mall > on Rt. 1 in Alexandria) > > Louis From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 8 17:54:03 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA25447; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 17:54:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA02439; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 17:53:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA07230; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 17:53:41 -0500 (EST) From: WantA ZX6 Message-ID: <50aadd26.34b558b2@aol.com> Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 17:52:33 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ride Sunday (?)..coast racing Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) In a message dated 98-01-08 05:14:56 EST, you write: << I agree with the no engine braking (although there could be if you were to put it in gear and release the clutch) But I don't understand how 1) Coasting is anymore dangerous on a motorcycle than a bicycle or 2) How starting the engine improves traction. Does this mean that coasting downhill with the motor running is less dangerous? >> It is my hypothesis but powered wheels are turning against the pavement (ie. heat buildup and such). When coasting the wheels are rolling WITH the road...understand? I know what I mean but cant really think of how to say it. Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 8 18:09:17 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA25666; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 18:09:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA02681; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 18:08:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.clark.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA07636; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 18:08:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from clark.net (louis@XXXXXX [168.143.0.7]) by mail.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA20952 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 18:08:19 -0500 (EST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Received: (from louis@localhost) by clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA22958 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 18:08:18 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199801082308.SAA22958@clark.net> Subject: Ride on Saturday To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 18:08:17 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24alpha3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Ok, the route I was thinking of was the PARR Polar Bear route Jan 1 1996. It ends at the interchange of Rt. 123 and I 95 (by Occoquan). The somewhat halfway point (56.3 mi) is a McDonalds on Rt. 28 near Manassas. Leaving at 11:00 sounds fine by me, but if we translate that into DC-Cycles time, that would mean meaning about noon. And giving the time limits people have, that will be cutting it close. So I'll be blunt here. I'm pulling out of the parking lot at 11:30 sharp. Please arrive with your bike gassed up (there are plenty of gas stations on Rt. 1. What was the Dixie Pig is now a Rite Aid. It's across the street from the Beacon Hill Mall. From the beltway, take exit 1, Rt. 1 SOUTH. The Rite Aid is on your left at a traffic light (Beacon Hill Rd) I'll be in the parking lot about 11:00 am. I will try to make some copies of the route sheet, but giving the short time, I can't make guarentees. Assuming we don't stay too long at McDonalds, I think we can make it to the I-95 interchange by about 3 pm. Louis From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 8 19:16:12 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA26793; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 19:16:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA04836; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 19:15:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA09336; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 19:15:49 -0500 (EST) From: WantA ZX6 Message-ID: <46d4cac2.34b56c24@aol.com> Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 19:15:32 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ride Sunday (?)..coast racing Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) In a message dated 98-01-08 18:20:46 EST, you write: << Does this mean that coasting downhill with the motor running is less dangerous? >> It is my hypothesis but powered wheels are turning against the pavement (ie. heat buildup and such). When coasting the wheels are rolling WITH the road...understand? I know what I mean but cant really think of how to say it. >> Oh yeah and what the other guy said about the cornering stuff ; ). Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 8 19:24:48 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA26937; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 19:24:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA04928; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 19:24:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA09572; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 19:24:41 -0500 (EST) From: WantA ZX6 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 19:21:46 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Fluid Mechanics 101 (was Sunday Ride) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) In a message dated 98-01-08 18:00:03 EST, you write: << I couldn't resist on this one....We're talking my background now... (Collin digging through a trunk...ahhh found it...Fundamentals of Fluid Mechanics) >> I think Collin would win the coast race no matter who is in it. We ALL know he would never even THINK about touching the brakes.....hahaha. Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 8 19:52:52 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA27301; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 19:52:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA05167; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 19:52:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from skippy.umiacs.umd.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA10154; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 19:52:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.his.com by skippy.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA28875; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 19:52:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from harris.his.com (harris.his.com [205.252.80.17]) by mail.his.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA01374 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 19:52:39 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980108195220.008ad180@mail.his.com> X-Sender: harris@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 19:52:20 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Stephen Harris Subject: Sunday ride, fear not, better direction! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I've gotten a few more questions for directions. If you have web access check out the site below; http://206.129.166.100/MapQ?QO=A&QV=lycos&streetaddress=112+Woodland+Rd&city =Gaithersburg&state=MD&zip=20877-2025&level=8&width=400&height=300&icontitle s=yes&POI1streetaddress=112+Woodland+Rd&POI1city=Gaithersburg&POI1state=MD&P OI1iconid=2 Just copy the above url & past into your brouser. It will show a map of where I'm at. I still intend on leaving at 12:45 sharp. Be fueled & ready to go. I should be home all morning, call if you need further info at 301 990 6408. You can show up at noon or earlier if you want, but I leave for the ride at 12:45. All of the talk about coast "racing" has made me sorry I brought it up. I guarantee that 495 is more dangerous that anything I will be doing on public roads on Sunday. If you can handle 495, you can handle power off riding down Sugarloaf. Really, you will be giggling when you see it, much ado about nothing. S Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 8 22:00:15 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA28876; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 22:00:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA06553; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 21:59:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA12184; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 21:59:47 -0500 (EST) From: Lgvxlh883 Message-ID: <926aba91.34b5903d@aol.com> Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 21:49:33 EST To: ghowell@XXXXXX, ROYK@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ride Sunday (?) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) There are plenty of places to ride on the Maryland (Montogmery County, Frederick County) side of the Potomac that are well worth the trip. Unfortunately, I'm a fair weather rider and won't be riding with you this weekend. But, I do have some ride routes for those who may be willing to try them. Drop me a line if you'd like more details. Lisa V. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 00:52:19 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA00954; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 00:52:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA08754; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 00:51:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA14938; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 00:51:56 -0500 (EST) From: Jinn Sinn Message-ID: <7de88b45.34b5ba83@aol.com> Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 00:49:54 EST To: jlobrien@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: SATURDAY RIDE Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) In a message dated 98-01-08 17:48:33 EST, jlobrien@XXXXXX writes: << Yeah! Yeah! Ride Sunday!! - Jeannette >> No! No! Ride Saturday!!!!!! LOL Marcy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 00:59:21 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA00997; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 00:59:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA08794; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 00:59:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA15014; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 00:59:14 -0500 (EST) From: Jinn Sinn Message-ID: Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 00:57:58 EST To: louis@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ride on Saturday Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) >From my house in DC I get on the beltway right about at the Pentagon (going toward VA and National airport) ... am I going to miss the exit 1??? If i can find it....I'll be there..... In a message dated 98-01-08 18:21:15 EST, louis@XXXXXX writes: << What was the Dixie Pig is now a Rite Aid. It's across the street from the Beacon Hill Mall. From the beltway, take exit 1, Rt. 1 SOUTH. The Rite Aid is on your left at a traffic light (Beacon Hill Rd) I'll be in the parking lot about 11:00 am. >> From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 02:06:52 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA01503; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 02:06:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA09114; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 02:06:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA15860; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 02:06:37 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id CAA02075; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 02:02:22 -0500 Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 01:52:37 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Synthetic Oil....how???? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 6 Jan 1998, RDWOODJR wrote: > Lets ask Leon what oils he has used in his CX500 & CX650's. I never sold him > any motorcycle-specific oil, so I can only guess that he has good results with > something else. Doesn't matter what Leon uses,CX's are indestructable. ;-) Seriously.There was one that was passed around my dad's club(like 4 different people owned it) that had 118K on it when the speedo finally quit.The last owner put another few K on it before selling it outside the club.The only thing ever done to the motor was regular maintenance.It had never been torn down for a rebuild. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 02:12:19 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA01527; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 02:12:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA09156; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 02:12:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA15896; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 02:12:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id CAA02125; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 02:08:00 -0500 Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 02:06:08 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Sender: "Gil M. Nissley" Reply-To: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Synthetic vs Dino To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <34B30903.EAE@mnsinc.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Tue, 6 Jan 1998, John C. Kozyn wrote: > BTW, I was advised to run a blend of synth/dino by Dennis of Crossroads > Cycle. He did not feel there was any problem in doing so, although I > don't remember what ratio he might have specified. If memory serves,isn't Honda HP4 a dino/synth blend?I seem to remember reading that on the label when I used to use it in my CBR9. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 02:28:18 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA01624; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 02:28:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA09208; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 02:27:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA16062; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 02:27:52 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id CAA02892; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 02:23:40 -0500 Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 02:08:29 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Ride Sunday & Other Nonsense To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <34B462CA.35@mnsinc.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 7 Jan 1998, John C. Kozyn wrote: > What bugged me however, were his remarks: "Hey, what kind of bike is > that? I've never ridden a motorcycle before but..." And then this gem: > "Hey, I saw an accident once and the guy wasn't wearing a full face > helmet and ... blood started gushing... and then his girlfriend went > into shock..." Question:has anyone here ever met someone new(while you're wearing a moto jacket/carrying a helmet) and _not_ heard a tale of someone dying on a bike?It's like people feel compelled to tell you how dangerous bikes are. I've never heard of anyone doing this with skiers or skydivers or bungie-jumpers.I can see it now;"Oh,you're a skier?That's so dangerous. I heard a Kennedy died that way!". :-P The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 02:33:18 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA01765; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 02:33:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA09261; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 02:33:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA16320; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 02:33:07 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id CAA02914; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 02:28:56 -0500 Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 02:23:59 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Ride Sunday (?) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 8 Jan 1998, George Howell wrote: > >P.S. I'm liking this rain riding!! > Ditto. Just wish I had a spare $150 so I could get the waxed cotton > pants, mittens, and boot covers to match the jacket. :) You and Jeannette are freaks. I spent 2 years riding in England.The main reason I live w/in walking distance of work is because now I don't _have_ to ride in the rain. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 06:46:32 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA04541; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 06:46:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA10894; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 06:46:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.clark.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA20186; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 06:46:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from explorer.clark.net (explorer.clark.net [168.143.0.7]) by mail.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA20448; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 06:46:00 -0500 (EST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Received: (from louis@localhost) by explorer.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA29120; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 06:45:59 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199801091145.GAA29120@explorer.clark.net> Subject: Re: SATURDAY RIDE To: JinnSinn@XXXXXX (Jinn Sinn) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 06:45:59 -0500 (EST) Cc: jlobrien@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <7de88b45.34b5ba83@aol.com> from "Jinn Sinn" at Jan 9, 98 00:49:54 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24alpha3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > In a message dated 98-01-08 17:48:33 EST, jlobrien@XXXXXX writes: > > << Yeah! Yeah! Ride Sunday!! > > - Jeannette >> > > No! No! Ride Saturday!!!!!! LOL > > Marcy Ride both days!! Louis From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 07:17:06 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA04723; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 07:17:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA11481; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 07:16:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from portal.visa.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA20461; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 07:16:52 -0500 (EST) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA29909 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Fri, 9 Jan 1998 04:16:51 -0800 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Fri, 9 Jan 1998 04:16:51 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Fluid Mechanics 101 (was Sunday Ride) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 04:17:59 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 19 TEXT My turn! My turn! Collin said: > However, the bike with the most mass (ST1100) will > travel farther due to a greater initial potential energy... I have to disagree with this - remember the TANSTAAFL principle - While the ST1100 will have more kinetic energy at speed, it will take more time (and energy) to acquire that velocity. I'll still put my $$$ on the slipperiest bike - ESPECIALLY if the rider uses lotsa graphite on the axles. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 08:21:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA05171; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 08:21:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA11754; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 08:21:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA00523; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 08:21:20 -0500 (EST) From: bmccoy@XXXXXX Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id IAA26191 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 08:21:19 -0500 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma026133; Fri, 9 Jan 98 08:21:09 -0500 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id IAA11416 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 08:21:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.11.00.3) id AA884351194; Fri, 09 Jan 98 08:18:16 -0500 Message-Id: <9801098843.AA884351194@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.11.00.3 Date: Fri, 09 Jan 98 08:04:33 -0500 To: Subject: lost mail.. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: "cc:Mail Note Part" ok guys (and girls) for some reason my mail server was on the fritz yesterday... I've seen a message or two this Am about a Saturday ride as well.. what's the story behind that? I had some other comments about things yesterday - but they obviously got lost in my crappy mail server... BTW, I had yet another moron do a left infront of me... I think I might have waken it up when I kicked the side as I went by... It seemed to ring pretty well (work van). I knew this moron was going to do it too... so I was well prepared, just glad nothing else came into play that would have taken my attention away... Gil - I HAVE met people for the first time in my 'stich and they didn't speak of horrible motorcycle acts... never at a hospital or clinic though... And mostly on the Nice coast (umm, that would NOT be the east coast) I think that's all... Brian From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 08:38:10 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA05329; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 08:38:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA12196; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 08:37:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from xcgca011.northgrum.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA00771; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 08:37:34 -0500 (EST) Received: by XCGCA011 with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 05:38:20 -0800 Message-ID: <11D743514607D011A15500805FEA3464A45DB4@xcgva001.grumman.com> From: "Meier, Christopher" To: "'Jinn Sinn'" Cc: "'dc-cycles'" Subject: RE: Ride on Saturday Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 05:37:34 -0800 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain No. From where you are describing ... you get on I-395 south _NOT_ I-495. Louis is talking about the first exit west of the Woodrow Wilson Bridge on the beltway ... i.e the first exit as you cross the bridge from MD into VA. To get there you can go straight south on Rt. 1 from I-395 right by the Pentagon, and go approx. 10 miles or so through Old town and then cross over the beltway, or you could go the longer way and take I-395 to I-495 towards Baltimore and exit at Rt. 1 south. That is longer, but if you feel more comfortable about not getting lost on an interstate ... Let me know if you need further directions, as I live in Alexandria. --Chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ > ---------- > From: Jinn Sinn[SMTP:JinnSinn@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, January 09, 1998 12:57 AM > To: louis@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Ride on Saturday > > From my house in DC I get on the beltway right about at the Pentagon > (going > toward VA and National airport) ... am I going to miss the exit 1??? > > If i can find it....I'll be there..... > > In a message dated 98-01-08 18:21:15 EST, louis@XXXXXX writes: > > << What was the Dixie Pig is now a Rite Aid. It's across the street > from > the Beacon Hill Mall. From the beltway, take exit 1, Rt. 1 SOUTH. > The Rite Aid is on your left at a traffic light (Beacon Hill Rd) > > I'll be in the parking lot about 11:00 am. >> > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 08:42:49 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA05380; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 08:42:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA12352; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 08:42:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA00847; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 08:42:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay2.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id IAA04516; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 08:42:40 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 08:41:20 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D34F439@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Oh Scary Me... Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 08:40:22 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain It's happened to me now...a woman asked me in the elevator (as I was dressed in my nice skirt & heels) if I'd come in to work earlier in leathers & carrying a helmet. I said yes & she laughed & said she thought so and that I'd scared her client half to death. I said that I couldn't believe that & she replied, "Girl, you know, this is D.C." - Jeannette From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 08:44:34 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA05391; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 08:44:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA12408; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 08:44:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA00863; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 08:44:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay2.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id IAA04847; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 08:44:25 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 08:42:55 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D34F43A@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Gil M. Nissley'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Ride Sunday & Other Nonsense Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 08:41:58 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain I always hear "I'd NEVER ride one of those." or "BE CAREFUL!!" (this warning is usually said at least 3 times as I'm walking to my bike." I've also heard MANY times from people who've NEVER ridden: "There's 2 types of bikers, those who've gone down & those who will." AND!!?? SO WHAT!!?? Should that keep me from my passion? - J From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 08:46:10 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA05402; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 08:46:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA12434; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 08:46:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA00915; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 08:46:04 -0500 (EST) Received: by hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD1CDA.A5D240F0@XXXXXX>; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 08:43:24 -0500 Message-ID: From: To: Cc: Subject: RE: Sunday ride, fear not, better direction! Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 08:43:23 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 41 TEXT Clicked on the URL for the web map but got This link is temporarily down while we are upgrading the service. Who would have known..... Tracy Horstman '87 Suzuki Savage 650 "There are 2 types of computer users in the world: Those that have lost data and those that are going to....." ---------- From: Stephen Harris[SMTP:harris@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, January 08, 1998 7:52 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Sunday ride, fear not, better direction! I've gotten a few more questions for directions. If you have web access check out the site below; http://206.129.166.100/MapQ?QO=A&QV=lycos&streetaddress=112+Woodland+Rd&city =Gaithersburg&state=MD&zip=20877-2025&level=8&width=400&height=300&icontitle s=yes&POI1streetaddress=112+Woodland+Rd&POI1city=Gaithersburg&POI1state=MD&P OI1iconid=2 Just copy the above url & past into your brouser. It will show a map of where I'm at. I still intend on leaving at 12:45 sharp. Be fueled & ready to go. I should be home all morning, call if you need further info at 301 990 6408. You can show up at noon or earlier if you want, but I leave for the ride at 12:45. All of the talk about coast "racing" has made me sorry I brought it up. I guarantee that 495 is more dangerous that anything I will be doing on public roads on Sunday. If you can handle 495, you can handle power off riding down Sugarloaf. Really, you will be giggling when you see it, much ado about nothing. S Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 08:52:50 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA05465; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 08:52:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA12598; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 08:52:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from server4.illuminet.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA00970; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 08:52:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from kzav (MO-41-199.ang.af.mil [137.7.41.199]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id IAA09964; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 08:54:10 -0500 Message-ID: <34B61CA2.486FE1F9@illuminet.net> Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 07:48:35 -0500 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: WantA ZX6 , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ride Sunday (?)..coast racing X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <50aadd26.34b558b2@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't understand. I've attended many of the same courses as Horkster, Colin, Sean and Michael. It is my _opinion_ that if we were to conduct such a race, Things that affect speed: Aerodynamics would have more effect as speeds increase. Tire pressure, bearings and chain/driveline friction Tire temperature and whether the engine is running or not is probably not going to make enough difference to measure. Things that make it dangerous. The rider: it was mentioned earlier that bikes with different amounts of power take different lines through corners on races. This is a function that the rider can control. This is no different than a race around any track in the country except that acceleration due to engine power = 0. The above is an opinion. I don't have the facts either. Leon. > In a message dated 98-01-08 05:14:56 EST, you write: > > << I agree with the no engine braking (although there could be if you > were > to put it in gear and release the clutch) But I don't understand how > 1) > Coasting is anymore dangerous on a motorcycle than a bicycle or 2) > How > starting the engine improves traction. > > Does this mean that coasting downhill with the motor running is less > dangerous? >> > > It is my hypothesis but powered wheels are turning against the > pavement (ie. > heat buildup and such). When coasting the wheels are rolling WITH the > > road...understand? I know what I mean but cant really think of how to > say it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 09:11:42 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05652; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:11:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA12795; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:11:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.clark.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA01310; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:11:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from explorer.clark.net (explorer.clark.net [168.143.0.7]) by mail.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA23575; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:11:28 -0500 (EST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Received: (from louis@localhost) by explorer.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA02360; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:11:27 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199801091411.JAA02360@explorer.clark.net> Subject: Re: Ride Sunday & Other Nonsense To: jlobrien@XXXXXX (O'Brien, Jeannette) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:11:27 -0500 (EST) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) In-Reply-To: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D34F43A@badge.tuckerflyer.com> from "O'Brien, Jeannette" at Jan 9, 98 08:41:58 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24alpha3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > > I always hear "I'd NEVER ride one of those." or "BE CAREFUL!!" (this > warning is usually said at least 3 times as I'm walking to my bike." > I've also heard MANY times from people who've NEVER ridden: "There's 2 > types of bikers, those who've gone down & those who will." AND!!?? SO > WHAT!!?? Should that keep me from my passion? Of course not. I tend to ignore those who never ridden (especially if they start telling me about a friend of an uncle of an .....) As for the two types of bikers, it's just a way of saying "Always be ready!" But don't let it stop you. Heck, you can say similar things about car drivers, on the average you will be in one major car accident in your life. So there are those who have been in an accident, and those who will. That sure doesn't stop people from driving. > - J L From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 09:15:35 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05689; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:15:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA12832; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:15:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from server4.illuminet.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA01366; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:15:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from kzav (MO-41-199.ang.af.mil [137.7.41.199]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id JAA10620; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:17:21 -0500 Message-ID: <34B6221D.FECF97DD@illuminet.net> Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 08:11:57 -0500 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Gil M. Nissley" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Synthetic Oil....how???? X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gil's right, the CX/GL had a good motor. The CX650 needs a new rear wheel every 30K miles - Honda designed it wrong. The CX motor needed valve guides and a cam chain before 100K miles with synthetic oil, even with synthetic oil, I think the motor wouldn't last much beyond 200K miles. Gil M. Nissley wrote: > On Tue, 6 Jan 1998, RDWOODJR wrote: > > Lets ask Leon what oils he has used in his CX500 & CX650's. I never > sold him > > any motorcycle-specific oil, so I can only guess that he has good > results with > > something else. > > Doesn't matter what Leon uses,CX's are indestructable. ;-) > > Seriously.There was one that was passed around my dad's club(like > 4 different people owned it) that had 118K on it when the speedo > finally quit.The last owner put another few K on it before selling > it outside the club.The only thing ever done to the motor was > regular maintenance.It had never been torn down for a rebuild. > > The official BuellBoy Genes model. > > gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT > > Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 09:19:20 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05738; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:19:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA12860; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:19:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from server4.illuminet.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA01424; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:19:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from kzav (MO-41-199.ang.af.mil [137.7.41.199]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id JAA10742; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:21:09 -0500 Message-ID: <34B62301.2A417147@illuminet.net> Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 08:15:45 -0500 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Gil M. Nissley" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ride Sunday (?) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Put me on the list with George and Jeannette. I like riding in the rain, I like riding in the snow, I like riding in hail, but I prefer riding when the weather is good. Leon - currently at the St. Louis airport, I rode the bike to work today :-) Gil M. Nissley wrote: > On Thu, 8 Jan 1998, George Howell wrote: > > >P.S. I'm liking this rain riding!! > > Ditto. Just wish I had a spare $150 so I could get the waxed cotton > > pants, mittens, and boot covers to match the jacket. :) > > You and Jeannette are freaks. > > I spent 2 years riding in England.The main reason I live w/in > walking distance of work is because now I don't _have_ to ride > in the rain. > > The official BuellBoy Genes model. > > gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT > > Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 09:39:06 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA06038; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:39:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA12992; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:38:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from portal.visa.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA01924; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:38:51 -0500 (EST) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA07034 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Fri, 9 Jan 1998 06:38:49 -0800 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Fri, 9 Jan 1998 06:38:49 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Oh Scary Me... Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 06:39:57 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 9 TEXT >(as I was dressed in my nice skirt & heels) Oooohh --- in drag, yet! > I'd scared her client half to death You do have that effect on us... Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 09:39:56 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA06055; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:39:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA13006; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:39:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from dadc012.army.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA01951; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:39:49 -0500 (EST) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:41:32 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" , "'Gil M. Nissley'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Ride Sunday & Other Nonsense Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:17:54 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) My response to those people is "There are to kind of drivers..." and that usually shuts them up. Glenn Dysart DysarGB@XXXXXX dysart@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna > -----Original Message----- > From: O'Brien, Jeannette [SMTP:jlobrien@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, January 09, 1998 8:42 AM > To: 'Gil M. Nissley'; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Ride Sunday & Other Nonsense > > I always hear "I'd NEVER ride one of those." or "BE CAREFUL!!" (this > warning is usually said at least 3 times as I'm walking to my bike." > I've also heard MANY times from people who've NEVER ridden: "There's > 2 > types of bikers, those who've gone down & those who will." AND!!?? > SO > WHAT!!?? Should that keep me from my passion? > > - J > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 09:51:29 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA06183; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:51:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA13178; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:51:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA02129; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:51:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay2.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id JAA24573; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:51:12 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:49:49 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D34F444@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Jordan, Michael'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Oh Scary Me... Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:48:50 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Hey, now, SCARY is not the effect I was hoping for!! ; ) - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Jordan, Michael [SMTP:mike@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, January 09, 1998 9:40 AM > To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > Subject: RE: Oh Scary Me... > > >(as I was dressed in my nice skirt & heels) > > Oooohh --- in drag, yet! > > > I'd scared her client half to death > > You do have that effect on us... > > Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 10:10:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06459; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:10:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA13466; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:10:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from xcgca011.northgrum.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA02587; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:10:03 -0500 (EST) Received: by XCGCA011 with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 07:10:46 -0800 Message-ID: <11D743514607D011A15500805FEA3464A45DB9@xcgva001.grumman.com> From: "Meier, Christopher" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, "'Collin T. Fagan'" Subject: RE: Fluid Mechanics 101 (was Sunday Ride) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 07:07:54 -0800 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Good Lord, Man! Next time you post something like that, how about a warning not to read it until after 8am or something. I'm dizzy now. 8-) Chris (the Liberal arts grad ...going for another cup of coffee) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ > ---------- > From: Collin T. Fagan[SMTP:gixer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, January 08, 1998 5:48 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Fluid Mechanics 101 (was Sunday Ride) > > I couldn't resist on this one....We're talking my background now... > (Collin digging through a trunk...ahhh found it...Fundamentals of > Fluid > Mechanics) > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 10:16:00 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06559; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:15:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA13551; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:15:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from kilcody.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA02771; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:15:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.kilcody.com ([10.128.0.110]) by GKCATL01.kilcody.com with ESMTP id <19594>; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:14:01 -0500 Received: by mail.kilstock.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:17:05 -0500 From: "Slawson, Kurt" To: dc-cycles Subject: Riding with a Passenger Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:16:00 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <98Jan9.101401est.19594@GKCATL01.kilcody.com> Anyone out there have any advice on learning how to ride with a passenger? I've been riding a very short time (i.e., less than a month; I took the MSF course in late Nov.), and while my confidence has increased with every ride, I'm far from being ready to take a passenger. I'm just wondering about the experiences of other people in learning how to ride with a passenger. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 10:18:29 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06584; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:18:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA13571; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:18:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from sgi.sgi.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA02852; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:18:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailserv ([169.238.1.2]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id HAA05960 for <@external-mail-relay.sgi.com:dc-cycles@XXXXXX>; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 07:18:11 -0800 env-from (skip@XXXXXX) Received: from shadow.clubfed.sgi.com by mailserv via ESMTP (951211.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH1042/911001.SGI) for <@beyond.clubfed.sgi.com:dc-cycles@XXXXXX> id KAA02131; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:18:09 -0500 Received: (from skip@localhost) by shadow.clubfed.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) id KAA24255 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:18:09 -0500 Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:18:09 -0500 From: skip@XXXXXX (Skip Farmer) Message-Id: <9801091018.ZM24253@shadow.clubfed.sgi.com> X-Mailer: Z-Mail-SGI (3.2S.3 08feb96 MediaMail) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Ride Last night? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Anyone ride last night? It was such a great night! Didn't ride anywhere in particular but it was awesome January weather! Skip '87 Suzuki GS450 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 10:22:22 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06651; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:22:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA13735; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:22:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp3.ny.us.ibm.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA02932; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:22:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay1.server.ibm.com (relay1.server.ibm.com [9.14.2.98]) by smtp3.ny.us.ibm.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA12556; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:18:25 -0500 Received: from US.IBM.COM (d04lms01.raleigh.ibm.com [9.37.164.193]) by relay1.server.ibm.com (8.8.7/8.7) with SMTP id KAA38644; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:20:15 -0500 Received: by US.IBM.COM (Soft-Switch LMS 2.0) with snapi via D04AU003 id 5040100013283909; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:23:26 -0500 From: Tom Knapik To: Cc: Subject: Re: Synthetic Oil....how???? Message-ID: <5040100013283909000002L092*@MHS> Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:23:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain You're pulling my chain right? 30K miles? So I can expect my rear wheel to fall off any second now? What was the problem with the rear wheel? I assume it is something that can't be repaired and has to be replaced and there is no supply anywhere in the free world? Regards, Tom Knapik E-mail: knapik@XXXXXX Phone: (301) 803-2417, tie-262-2417 ---------------------- Forwarded by Tom Knapik/Bethesda/IBM on 01-09-98 10:09 AM --------------------------- mrider@XXXXXX on 01-09-98 09:26:31 AM Please respond to mrider@XXXXXX @ internet To: gnissley@XXXXXX @ internet cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX @ internet Subject: Re: Synthetic Oil....how???? Gil's right, the CX/GL had a good motor. The CX650 needs a new rear wheel every 30K miles - Honda designed it wrong. The CX motor needed valve guides and a cam chain before 100K miles with synthetic oil, even with synthetic oil, I think the motor wouldn't last much beyond 200K miles. Gil M. Nissley wrote: > On Tue, 6 Jan 1998, RDWOODJR wrote: > > Lets ask Leon what oils he has used in his CX500 & CX650's. I never > sold him > > any motorcycle-specific oil, so I can only guess that he has good > results with > > something else. > > Doesn't matter what Leon uses,CX's are indestructable. ;-) > > Seriously.There was one that was passed around my dad's club(like > 4 different people owned it) that had 118K on it when the speedo > finally quit.The last owner put another few K on it before selling > it outside the club.The only thing ever done to the motor was > regular maintenance.It had never been torn down for a rebuild. > > The official BuellBoy Genes model. > > gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT > > Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 10:26:26 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06709; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:26:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA14137; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:26:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA03062; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:26:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay2.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id KAA06860; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:26:10 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:24:48 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D34F44B@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'skip@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Ride Last night? Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:23:50 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain It WAS great, wasn't it!!? I went running, then to a volleyball game, so I only did a little riding but when I came home from riding I was on an all-time adrenaline high. If all night could be like last night!! - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: skip@XXXXXX [SMTP:skip@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, January 09, 1998 10:18 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Ride Last night? > > Anyone ride last night? It was such a great night! Didn't ride > anywhere in > particular but it was awesome January weather! > > Skip > > '87 Suzuki GS450 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 10:29:41 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06744; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:29:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA14294; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:29:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA03129; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:29:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com by mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (8.8.8/McCaw V8 version 1) id HAA18341; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 07:28:58 -0800 (PST) Received: by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id HAA05510; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 07:28:57 -0800 Received: from hq_msg01.nwest.mccaw.com by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id HAA05505; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 07:28:55 -0800 Received: by hq_msg01.nwest.mccaw.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD1CD0.3CC15380@XXXXXX>; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 07:28:53 -0800 Message-ID: From: "Viteri, Ursulina" To: "'skip@XXXXXX'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Ride Last night? Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 07:25:47 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 21 TEXT I went for a little spin from Alex to Oakton around 8:30 pm. Then I thought I'd return home via a more scenic route, 7 East, but whoa, what a boner! I hit red stop lights every few feet it seemed. I'm not going that way again. Ursulina Viteri 202-416-6534 * Fax 202-223-9095 AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. - Washington, DC >-----Original Message----- >From: skip@XXXXXX [SMTP:skip@XXXXXX] >Sent: Friday, January 09, 1998 7:18 AM >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Ride Last night? > >Anyone ride last night? It was such a great night! Didn't ride anywhere in >particular but it was awesome January weather! > >Skip > >'87 Suzuki GS450 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 10:34:32 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06813; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:34:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA14694; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:34:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA03243; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:34:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay2.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id KAA09626; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:34:20 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:32:59 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D34F451@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: dc-cycles Subject: Fun Fun! Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:32:00 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Each night this week when I've stopped at the light near my house on Columbia Pike some guy has pulled up next to me, stared at the bike for a while & said, "Nice bike." Last night the guy asked if I could do a wheelie for him. What is it with you men and wheelies!!?? - Jeannette Not Enough Testosterone to Desire Wheelies From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 10:38:26 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06927; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:38:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA14859; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:38:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA03358; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:38:19 -0500 (EST) Received: by hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD1CEA.56EEAF90@XXXXXX>; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:35:44 -0500 Message-ID: From: To: Cc: Subject: RE: Riding with a Passenger Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:35:42 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 43 TEXT Well, my husband, Horkster, and I took turns riding with each other. Dale's larger than I am and since he rode too, he would keep putting his feet down when we stopped because he didn't think I could balance the bike and him. I ride behind him (rarely) but he doesn't ride behind me anymore - he's a bad passenger. I suggest starting with someone little (we used our 6 year old who is now 7) and rode up and down the neighborhood since slow speeds and stopping are the hardest. We found that our girl is a great passenger. Best thing to do is practice riding with a passenger so that you can get used to the wiggle of that person. Look in your MSF lit. on what to tell you passenger on how to ride with you. Whatever you do, don't let the rider know how scared you are about having them on the bike. I kept thinking my daughter was going to fall off each time we took off. I normally don't wear a belt, but I used to ride with my dad and he did. We used his belt to hold onto. We put our hand up through the belt on his sides. Great hand holds plus it keeps the passenger close to you so that you essentially become one. So I wear a belt when she rides with me. Just keep the rides short at first and you should do fine. Tracy Horstman '87 Suzuki Savage 650 "There are 2 types of computer users in the world: Those that have lost data and those that are going to....." ---------- From: Slawson, Kurt[SMTP:kslawson@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, January 09, 1998 10:16 AM To: dc-cycles Subject: Riding with a Passenger Anyone out there have any advice on learning how to ride with a passenger? I've been riding a very short time (i.e., less than a month; I took the MSF course in late Nov.), and while my confidence has increased with every ride, I'm far from being ready to take a passenger. I'm just wondering about the experiences of other people in learning how to ride with a passenger. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 10:50:10 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07093; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:50:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA15161; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:49:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA03726; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:49:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id JAA04372; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:49:04 -0600 (CST) Received: from imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid01.mcit.com [166.37.221.13]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id KAA09709; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:49:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from mci.com ([166.32.114.127]) by imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with ESMTP id <19980109154903.UIRW215@XXXXXX>; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:49:03 -0600 Message-ID: <34B646EF.6B5B8F89@mci.com> Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 10:49:03 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Reply-To: Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" , DC Cycles List Subject: Re: Fun Fun! References: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D34F451@badge.tuckerflyer.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You just *think* he was checking out the bike. You were wearing your leather pants, right? 'Nice Bike' is a secret code phrase. Of couse, I've sworn upon the Sacred He Man Biker Code to never reveal what the secret codes are to one of you females. And don't any of you other guys spill the secret either! :-) Dale (the Horkster) PS: You should have smacked that guy for asking you to do a "wheelie" for him. Another code phrase. The nerve of that guy! O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: > Each night this week when I've stopped at the light near my house on > Columbia Pike some guy has pulled up next to me, stared at the bike for > a while & said, "Nice bike." Last night the guy asked if I could do a > wheelie for him. What is it with you men and wheelies!!?? > > - Jeannette > Not Enough Testosterone to Desire Wheelies From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 10:51:06 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07117; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:51:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA15207; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:51:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from server4.illuminet.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA03778; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:50:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from kzav (MO-41-199.ang.af.mil [137.7.41.199]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA13091; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:52:53 -0500 Message-ID: <34B64688.559255F4@illuminet.net> Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 09:47:20 -0600 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tom Knapik CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: CX650C was:Synthetic Oil....how???? X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <5040100013283909000002L092*@MHS> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tom Knapik wrote: > You're pulling my chain right? 30K miles? No, I rode that bike 127K, replaced the rear wheel twice, had it repaired once and gave it away with a 1/2 inch wobble (grab the tire check for loose wheel bearings) at the tire. I think it's only a problem with the CX650C not with any of the GLs and I don't know much about the CX500s. > So I can expect my rear wheel to fall off any second now? It won't fall off. But it sure handles funny. > What was the problem with the rear wheel? I assume > it is something that can't be repaired and has to be replaced and > there is no > supply anywhere in the free world? The right wheel bearing is mounted such that it takes all the stress. The bearing is strong enought to handle it, but the wheel itself isn't. At about 10K miles the bearing is no longer a press fit to install and remove. At 30K it wasn't fun to ride anymore. I fixed it once by having a machine shop enlarge the hole and use a sleeve between the wheel and bearing. It lasted about as long as anything else, then the sleeve got loose in the wheel. I never bought new wheels, Richard's price book suggested >$300, that was more than I wanted to spend. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 11:03:17 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07267; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:03:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA15632; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:03:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from xcgca011.northgrum.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA04180; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:03:02 -0500 (EST) Received: by XCGCA011 with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 08:03:48 -0800 Message-ID: <11D743514607D011A15500805FEA3464A45DBC@xcgva001.grumman.com> From: "Meier, Christopher" To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" , DC Cycles List , "'Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Fun Fun! Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 08:03:44 -0800 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Uh Dale ... be careful here! Another comment about our secret code, am I'm gonna have to bring it up at the next club meeting! :-) Later, chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ > ---------- > From: Dale Horstman[SMTP:Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, January 09, 1998 10:49 AM > To: O'Brien, Jeannette; DC Cycles List > Subject: Re: Fun Fun! > > You just *think* he was checking out the bike. You were wearing > your leather pants, right? 'Nice Bike' is a secret code phrase. Of > couse, I've sworn upon the Sacred He Man Biker Code to never > reveal what the secret codes are to one of you females. > > And don't any of you other guys spill the secret either! :-) > > Dale (the Horkster) > > PS: You should have smacked that guy for asking you to do > a "wheelie" for him. Another code phrase. The nerve of that guy! > > O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: > > > Each night this week when I've stopped at the light near my house on > > Columbia Pike some guy has pulled up next to me, stared at the bike > for > > a while & said, "Nice bike." Last night the guy asked if I could do > a > > wheelie for him. What is it with you men and wheelies!!?? > > > > - Jeannette > > Not Enough Testosterone to Desire Wheelies > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 11:04:14 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07287; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:04:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA15641; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:04:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from draco.eisi.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA04194; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:04:08 -0500 (EST) Received: by draco.eisi.com; id LAA08448; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:21:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from unknown(10.3.1.4) by draco.eisi.com via smap (3.2) id xma008444; Fri, 9 Jan 98 11:21:30 -0500 Received: by hrnexch1.eisi.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:04:15 -0500 Message-ID: <7F151D3C3920D111859A080009D806396E6C2D@hrnexch1.eisi.com> From: "Whiteside, John" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Synthetic Oil....how???? Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:04:13 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain What's the rear wheel problem? Is it just the 650s or the 500s too? --John Whiteside, CX500 at 33K and rear wheel still working.... > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Knapik [SMTP:knapik@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, January 09, 1998 10:23 AM > To: mrider@XXXXXX > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Synthetic Oil....how???? > > You're pulling my chain right? 30K miles? So I can expect my rear > wheel to > fall off any second now? What was the problem with the rear wheel? > I assume > it is something that can't be repaired and has to be replaced and > there is no > supply anywhere in the free world? > > Regards, > Tom Knapik > E-mail: knapik@XXXXXX > Phone: (301) 803-2417, tie-262-2417 > > > ---------------------- Forwarded by Tom Knapik/Bethesda/IBM on > 01-09-98 10:09 AM > --------------------------- > > > mrider@XXXXXX on 01-09-98 09:26:31 AM > Please respond to mrider@XXXXXX @ internet > To: gnissley@XXXXXX @ internet > cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX @ internet > Subject: Re: Synthetic Oil....how???? > > > Gil's right, the CX/GL had a good motor. > > The CX650 needs a new rear wheel every 30K miles - Honda designed it > wrong. > The CX motor needed valve guides and a cam chain before 100K miles > with > synthetic oil, even with synthetic oil, I think the motor wouldn't > last > much beyond 200K miles. > > Gil M. Nissley wrote: > > > On Tue, 6 Jan 1998, RDWOODJR wrote: > > > Lets ask Leon what oils he has used in his CX500 & CX650's. I > never > > sold him > > > any motorcycle-specific oil, so I can only guess that he has good > > results with > > > something else. > > > > Doesn't matter what Leon uses,CX's are indestructable. ;-) > > > > Seriously.There was one that was passed around my dad's club(like > > 4 different people owned it) that had 118K on it when the speedo > > finally quit.The last owner put another few K on it before selling > > it outside the club.The only thing ever done to the motor was > > regular maintenance.It had never been torn down for a rebuild. > > > > The official BuellBoy Genes model. > > > > gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT > > > > Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 11:13:49 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07446; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:13:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA15783; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:13:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA04378; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:13:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.02c) id ACB0260418; Fri, 09 Jan 1998 11:13:36 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980109111348.00a1e310@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 11:13:48 -0500 To: dc-cycles From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Riding with a Passenger In-Reply-To: <98Jan9.101401est.19594@GKCATL01.kilcody.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:16 AM 1/9/98 -0500, Slawson, Kurt wrote: > Anyone out there have any advice on learning how to ride with a >passenger? I've been riding a very short time (i.e., less than a month; >I took the MSF course in late Nov.), and while my confidence has >increased with every ride, I'm far from being ready to take a passenger. >I'm just wondering about the experiences of other people in learning how >to ride with a passenger. Give yourself at least 6 months of riding before you offer to take a passenger -- maybe more. Much more so than in a car, you are responsible for that passenger. And that passenger can cause you to lose control. Brief the passenger on where to sit, where to put his/her feet, what not to touch (the exhaust pipes, the engine), and what to hold on to (grab rail, seat strap, your waist). Tell them always wait for your signal before mounting, then have both hands on the handlebars, front brake on, both feet on the ground when you tell them to get on the bike. If you have a trunk, your leaning forward will likely make it easier for them to get on the bike. Tell them to sit still. Don't lean with the bike, don't lean with you -- just sit still (they will naturally lean with the bike if they sit still. If you tell them to lean with the bike they'll lean too far). Tell them that if they want to look ahead, to look over your inside shoulder (look over your right shoulder in a right turn). Tell them not to make any sudden moves. Tell them to never put their feet down, you'll take care of that. If you're approaching a loose surface, such as gravel, warn the passenger to "sit still". Tell them that If their butt gets sore, take their weight on their feet for a little while. Also, tell them to take their weight on their feet for rough areas in the road, or any time they feel you take your weight on your feet. Ride around a big parking lot for a little while to see how comfortable the passenger is, and how well they sit still. A good passenger makes controlling the bike very easy. A fidgeting passenger can make you change lanes in a heartbeat (been there, done that). Make the first trip one that can be very short (around the neighborhood). Pay attention to how your passenger feels, specifically how safe or nervous they feel. I prefer passengers to hold onto my waist, though as my waist has increased in size this has gotten harder. However, when they hold onto my waist, I always know if they feel confident or nervous. What you want to do is to take it real slow and easy if the passenger is nervous. Especially a male passenger, who is less likely to admit being nervous. If the passenger is cold, hot, or uncomfortable in some other way, stop and deal with it. You can turn a person off motorcycles for life by making them miserable. I know that sounds like a lot, but it all that really helps make the experience enjoyable for both the "driver" and the passenger. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 11:14:35 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07456; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:14:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA15854; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:14:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA04403; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:14:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com by mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (8.8.8/McCaw V8 version 1) id IAA26014; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 08:13:54 -0800 (PST) Received: by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id IAA14853; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 08:13:53 -0800 Received: from hq-msg01.nwest.mccaw.com by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id IAA14815; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 08:13:47 -0800 Received: by hq-msg01.nwest.mccaw.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD1CD6.75F8CA60@XXXXXX>; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 08:13:26 -0800 Message-ID: From: "Viteri, Ursulina" To: "'O'Brien, Jeannette'" , "'dc-cycles'" Subject: RE: Fun Fun! Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 08:10:24 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 23 TEXT I'm a girl and I think wheelies are cool, but you'd never catch me doing one. Maybe a tiny one cause I accidentally let the clutch slip too soon but nothing on purpose. Ursulina Viteri 202-416-6534 * Fax 202-223-9095 AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. - Washington, DC >-----Original Message----- >From: O'Brien, Jeannette [SMTP:jlobrien@XXXXXX] >Sent: Friday, January 09, 1998 7:32 AM >To: dc-cycles >Subject: Fun Fun! > >Each night this week when I've stopped at the light near my house on >Columbia Pike some guy has pulled up next to me, stared at the bike for >a while & said, "Nice bike." Last night the guy asked if I could do a >wheelie for him. What is it with you men and wheelies!!?? > >- Jeannette > Not Enough Testosterone to Desire Wheelies > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 11:25:10 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07591; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:25:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA16623; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:24:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA04623; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:24:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id LAA25587; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:24:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid02.mcit.com [166.37.221.14]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id KAA25317; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:24:18 -0600 (CST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19980109162417.TJXL28757@[166.41.242.141]>; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:24:17 -0600 Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 11:14 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: Jinn Sinn CC: louis@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ride on Saturday X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980109162417.TJXL28757@[166.41.242.141]> Well, first off you can't get on the beltway near the Pentagon. Your best bet, and better ride, is to get on the George Washington Parkway heading south to Mount Vernon. Once you cross I95 (just outside of Alexandria) look for a right turn onto BelleView drive (about 2 miles). My map shows this turns into Beacon Hill, but the Rite Aid guy said it is still BelleView. Either way it ends on route 1, and the Rite Aid should be right there across from the mall. Todd From: Jinn Sinn Message-ID: Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 00:57:58 EST To: louis@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ride on Saturday Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) >From my house in DC I get on the beltway right about at the Pentagon (going toward VA and National airport) ... am I going to miss the exit 1??? If i can find it....I'll be there..... In a message dated 98-01-08 18:21:15 EST, louis@XXXXXX writes: << What was the Dixie Pig is now a Rite Aid. It's across the street from the Beacon Hill Mall. From the beltway, take exit 1, Rt. 1 SOUTH. The Rite Aid is on your left at a traffic light (Beacon Hill Rd) I'll be in the parking lot about 11:00 am. >> From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 11:36:11 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07720; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:36:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA17014; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:35:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA04919; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:35:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id KAA24396; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:35:22 -0600 (CST) Received: from imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid01.mcit.com [166.37.221.13]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id KAA12779; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:35:21 -0600 (CST) Received: from mci.com ([166.32.114.127]) by imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with ESMTP id <19980109163521.UOBX215@XXXXXX>; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:35:21 -0600 Message-ID: <34B651C8.AEB8FA5F@mci.com> Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 11:35:20 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Reply-To: Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Norloff , dc-cycles Subject: Re: Riding with a Passenger References: <3.0.1.32.19980109111348.00a1e310@mail.toward.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just wanted to solicit opinions on this device for a younger passenger. What do you folks think? Usual disclaimers apply: I don't work for them, etc. etc. http://www.hpmkt.com/ PS: I was intrigued enough to order one. I'll subject my 7 year old daughter to it and let you all know how it turns out. Horkster Chris Norloff wrote: (No, I'm not gonna snip a word of this good advice - hork) > At 10:16 AM 1/9/98 -0500, Slawson, Kurt wrote: > > Anyone out there have any advice on learning how to ride with a > >passenger? I've been riding a very short time (i.e., less than a month; > >I took the MSF course in late Nov.), and while my confidence has > >increased with every ride, I'm far from being ready to take a passenger. > >I'm just wondering about the experiences of other people in learning how > >to ride with a passenger. > > Give yourself at least 6 months of riding before you offer to take a > passenger -- maybe more. Much more so than in a car, you are responsible > for that passenger. And that passenger can cause you to lose control. > > Brief the passenger on where to sit, where to put his/her feet, what not to > touch (the exhaust pipes, the engine), and what to hold on to (grab rail, > seat strap, your waist). > > Tell them always wait for your signal before mounting, then have both hands > on the handlebars, front brake on, both feet on the ground when you tell > them to get on the bike. If you have a trunk, your leaning forward will > likely make it easier for them to get on the bike. > > Tell them to sit still. Don't lean with the bike, don't lean with you -- > just sit still (they will naturally lean with the bike if they sit still. > If you tell them to lean with the bike they'll lean too far). Tell them > that if they want to look ahead, to look over your inside shoulder (look > over your right shoulder in a right turn). Tell them not to make any > sudden moves. Tell them to never put their feet down, you'll take care of > that. If you're approaching a loose surface, such as gravel, warn the > passenger to "sit still". > > Tell them that If their butt gets sore, take their weight on their feet for > a little while. Also, tell them to take their weight on their feet for > rough areas in the road, or any time they feel you take your weight on your > feet. > > Ride around a big parking lot for a little while to see how comfortable the > passenger is, and how well they sit still. A good passenger makes > controlling the bike very easy. A fidgeting passenger can make you change > lanes in a heartbeat (been there, done that). Make the first trip one that > can be very short (around the neighborhood). > > Pay attention to how your passenger feels, specifically how safe or nervous > they feel. I prefer passengers to hold onto my waist, though as my waist > has increased in size this has gotten harder. However, when they hold onto > my waist, I always know if they feel confident or nervous. What you want > to do is to take it real slow and easy if the passenger is nervous. > Especially a male passenger, who is less likely to admit being nervous. If > the passenger is cold, hot, or uncomfortable in some other way, stop and > deal with it. You can turn a person off motorcycles for life by making > them miserable. > > I know that sounds like a lot, but it all that really helps make the > experience enjoyable for both the "driver" and the passenger. > > Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 11:44:38 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07880; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:44:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA17346; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:44:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from xgate.usia.gov by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA05108; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:44:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from Connect2 Message Router by xgate.usia.gov via Connect2-SMTP 4.31.02; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:40:41 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <2D43B63401BD1160@xgate.usia.gov> Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:43:46 -0500 From: "Adams, Bill" Sender: "Adams, Bill" X-Confirm-Reading-To: Disposition-Notification-To: Organization: USIA To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (dc-cycles) Subject: Chrome, wonderful chrome... Importance: High X-SMF-Hop-Count: 2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Connect2-SMTP 4.31.02 MHS/SMF to SMTP Gateway I thought I'd plumb the collective wisdom regarding motorcycle chrome restoration and refinishing in the area. Anybody who might recommend a reputable vendor please e-mail me off-list. I want to restore some of the (poorly finished) parts (headlight bucket & brackets specifically) whilst de-gutting the Old-wing. Thanks a ton. Bill Adams 3D Artist/Animator '66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon, '81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard: "Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 11:48:06 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07919; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:48:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA17395; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:47:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from welchlink.welch.jhu.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA05163; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:47:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from HGREENS.adventisthealthcare.com (Pool-207-205-223-90.pitb.grid.net [207.205.223.90]) by welchlink.welch.jhu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA00534; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:45:23 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980109114846.0069f814@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: hggmd@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 11:48:46 -0500 To: "Slawson, Kurt" From: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." Subject: Re: Riding with a Passenger Cc: dc-cycles In-Reply-To: <98Jan9.101401est.19594@GKCATL01.kilcody.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:16 AM 1/9/98 -0500, Slawson, Kurt wrote: > Anyone out there have any advice on learning how to ride with a >passenger? Kurt, Riding two-up has less to do with you than with them. Although you need to do a few things (slow down, smooth transitions, etc.), the most important thing you can do is educate them on being a good passenger. This includes: - Showing them where to put their feet, what's hot and what's not. - Telling them to hold on to you and to lean with you. This avoids you struggling while they try to remain perpendicular to the ground through a turn. - Having them lean forward while accelerating, and lean back while braking. this avoids them alternately slamming their helmet into the back of yours, or falling off the back of the bike. - Keep their foot on the pegs, even when stopped. Also, have them indicate to you when they are going to get on or off, avoiding catching you by surprise and tipping over the bike. - Put more weight on the pegs when they see a bump coming up. (Don't forget to adjust the preload on your rear shock as well) One thing I cannot get over, though, is seeing guys in boots, leathers, etc., riding with a passenger wearing shorts and a t-shirt (unless it's a bikini top...). When I ride with passengers, I have them wear long pants, gloves, boots, my old Vanson jacket, ear plugs, and a full face helmet. I also have a second electric vest for when it's cold. Harry Bethesda, MD '97 BMW R1100RT http://www.greenspun.com/harry/bikes.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 11:49:08 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07937; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:49:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA17424; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:49:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA05213; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:48:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id LAA06232; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:48:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid01.mcit.com [166.37.221.13]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id KAA05979; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:48:27 -0600 (CST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19980109164827.UPOT215@[166.41.242.141]>; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:48:27 -0600 Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 11:31 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" CC: "'Jordan, Michael'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Oh Scary Me... X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980109164827.UPOT215@[166.41.242.141]> >Hey, now, SCARY is not the effect I was hoping for!! ; ) > >- Jeannette > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jordan, Michael [SMTP:mike@XXXXXX] >> Sent: Friday, January 09, 1998 9:40 AM >> To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' >> Subject: RE: Oh Scary Me... >> >> >(as I was dressed in my nice skirt & heels) >> >> Oooohh --- in drag, yet! >> >> > I'd scared her client half to death >> >> You do have that effect on us... >> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >> Michael J. Yeah Mike, speak for yourself. I personally am more scared of the power-suit (read power-tripping) types than the leather types. Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 11:49:11 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07942; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:49:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA17429; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:49:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA05215; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:49:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id LAA06257; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:48:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid01.mcit.com [166.37.221.13]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id KAA08351; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:48:29 -0600 (CST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19980109164828.UPOV215@[166.41.242.141]>; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:48:28 -0600 Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 11:35 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: "Viteri, Ursulina" CC: "'skip@XXXXXX'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Ride Last night? X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980109164828.UPOV215@[166.41.242.141]> It was warm, so I worked on my VT500c in my otherwise cold garage. I think warm air increases the effect of Carb-Cleaner...whooa.. %-0 Todd I went for a little spin from Alex to Oakton around 8:30 pm. Then I thought I'd return home via a more scenic route, 7 East, but whoa, what a boner! I hit red stop lights every few feet it seemed. I'm not going that way again. Ursulina Viteri 202-416-6534 * Fax 202-223-9095 AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. - Washington, DC >-----Original Message----- >From: skip@XXXXXX [SMTP:skip@XXXXXX] >Sent: Friday, January 09, 1998 7:18 AM >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Ride Last night? > >Anyone ride last night? It was such a great night! Didn't ride anywhere in >particular but it was awesome January weather! > >Skip > >'87 Suzuki GS450 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 11:49:13 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07947; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:49:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA17434; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:49:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA05219; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:49:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id LAA06281; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:48:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid01.mcit.com [166.37.221.13]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id LAA01934; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:48:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19980109164830.UPOY215@[166.41.242.141]>; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:48:30 -0600 Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 11:40 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: Jinn Sinn , louis@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ride on Saturday X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980109164830.UPOY215@[166.41.242.141]> Duh,..to get ON the parkway, come across the 14th st bridge. It should be the second exit on your right. Well, first off you can't get on the beltway near the Pentagon. Your best bet, and better ride, is to get on the George Washington Parkway heading south to Mount Vernon. Once you cross I95 (just outside of Alexandria) look for a right turn onto BelleView drive (about 2 miles). My map shows this turns into Beacon Hill, but the Rite Aid guy said it is still BelleView. Either way it ends on route 1, and the Rite Aid should be right there across from the mall. Todd From: Jinn Sinn Message-ID: Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 00:57:58 EST To: louis@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ride on Saturday Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) >From my house in DC I get on the beltway right about at the Pentagon (going toward VA and National airport) ... am I going to miss the exit 1??? If i can find it....I'll be there..... In a message dated 98-01-08 18:21:15 EST, louis@XXXXXX writes: << What was the Dixie Pig is now a Rite Aid. It's across the street from the Beacon Hill Mall. From the beltway, take exit 1, Rt. 1 SOUTH. The Rite Aid is on your left at a traffic light (Beacon Hill Rd) I'll be in the parking lot about 11:00 am. >> From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 11:49:14 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07949; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:49:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA17435; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:49:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA05218; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:49:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id LAA06267; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:48:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid01.mcit.com [166.37.221.13]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id KAA06349; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:48:30 -0600 (CST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19980109164829.UPOX215@[166.41.242.141]>; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:48:29 -0600 Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 11:38 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: "Viteri, Ursulina" CC: "'O'Brien, Jeannette'" , "'dc-cycles'" Subject: RE: Fun Fun! X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980109164829.UPOX215@[166.41.242.141]> Hear that guys? She thinks "Wheelies" (wink, wink) are cool! Whoohoo! Todd _______________________ I'm a girl and I think wheelies are cool, but you'd never catch me doing one. Maybe a tiny one cause I accidentally let the clutch slip too soon but nothing on purpose. Ursulina Viteri 202-416-6534 * Fax 202-223-9095 AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. - Washington, DC >-----Original Message----- >From: O'Brien, Jeannette [SMTP:jlobrien@XXXXXX] >Sent: Friday, January 09, 1998 7:32 AM >To: dc-cycles >Subject: Fun Fun! > >Each night this week when I've stopped at the light near my house on >Columbia Pike some guy has pulled up next to me, stared at the bike for >a while & said, "Nice bike." Last night the guy asked if I could do a >wheelie for him. What is it with you men and wheelies!!?? > >- Jeannette > Not Enough Testosterone to Desire Wheelies > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 11:54:54 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA08022; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:54:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA17625; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:54:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from welchlink.welch.jhu.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA05347; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:54:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from HGREENS.adventisthealthcare.com (Pool-207-205-223-90.pitb.grid.net [207.205.223.90]) by welchlink.welch.jhu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA03317; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:52:09 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980109115531.0069e840@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: hggmd@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 11:55:31 -0500 To: Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX From: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." Subject: Re: Riding with a Passenger Cc: Chris Norloff , dc-cycles In-Reply-To: <34B651C8.AEB8FA5F@mci.com> References: <3.0.1.32.19980109111348.00a1e310@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:35 AM 1/9/98 -0500, Dale Horstman wrote: >I just wanted to solicit opinions on this device for a younger >passenger. What do you folks think? > >http://www.hpmkt.com/ > Battley's (aka Rockville HD) is a local distributor of these belts. They seem like a good idea. When my son (http://www.greenspun.com/benjamin) gets a bit older, I'll be considering one myself. Harry Bethesda, MD '97 BMW R1100RT http://www.greenspun.com/harry/bikes.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 12:03:11 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA08120; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:03:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA17920; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:03:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA05619; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:02:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id MAA12228; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:02:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid01.mcit.com [166.37.221.13]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id MAA05417; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:02:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19980109170226.URDL215@[166.41.242.141]>; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:02:26 -0600 Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 11:54 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: Chris Norloff CC: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Riding with a Passenger X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980109170226.URDL215@[166.41.242.141]> I have nothing to add to this list other than thanks Chris. Very well said! Todd Give yourself at least 6 months of riding before you offer to take a passenger -- maybe more. Much more so than in a car, you are responsible for that passenger. And that passenger can cause you to lose control. Brief the passenger on where to sit, where to put his/her feet, what not to touch (the exhaust pipes, the engine), and what to hold on to (grab rail, seat strap, your waist). Tell them always wait for your signal before mounting, then have both hands on the handlebars, front brake on, both feet on the ground when you tell them to get on the bike. If you have a trunk, your leaning forward will likely make it easier for them to get on the bike. Tell them to sit still. Don't lean with the bike, don't lean with you -- just sit still (they will naturally lean with the bike if they sit still. If you tell them to lean with the bike they'll lean too far). Tell them that if they want to look ahead, to look over your inside shoulder (look over your right shoulder in a right turn). Tell them not to make any sudden moves. Tell them to never put their feet down, you'll take care of that. If you're approaching a loose surface, such as gravel, warn the passenger to "sit still". Tell them that If their butt gets sore, take their weight on their feet for a little while. Also, tell them to take their weight on their feet for rough areas in the road, or any time they feel you take your weight on your feet. Ride around a big parking lot for a little while to see how comfortable the passenger is, and how well they sit still. A good passenger makes controlling the bike very easy. A fidgeting passenger can make you change lanes in a heartbeat (been there, done that). Make the first trip one that can be very short (around the neighborhood). Pay attention to how your passenger feels, specifically how safe or nervous they feel. I prefer passengers to hold onto my waist, though as my waist has increased in size this has gotten harder. However, when they hold onto my waist, I always know if they feel confident or nervous. What you want to do is to take it real slow and easy if the passenger is nervous. Especially a male passenger, who is less likely to admit being nervous. If the passenger is cold, hot, or uncomfortable in some other way, stop and deal with it. You can turn a person off motorcycles for life by making them miserable. I know that sounds like a lot, but it all that really helps make the experience enjoyable for both the "driver" and the passenger. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 12:06:40 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA08216; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:06:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA18231; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:06:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from gwsmtp.nlm.nih.gov by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA05763; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:06:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from NLM-Message_Server by gwsmtp.nlm.nih.gov with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 09 Jan 1998 12:06:15 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 12:05:48 -0500 From: Sandy Triolo To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: RE: Fun Fun! I'm a girl (read women) and I *really* want to learn how to do a wheelie, I just don't want to learn on my 450 pound hurricane, anyone want to donate a 250 dirt bike to the cause? sandy 87 Hurricane 600F 85 Virago 1000 >>> Viteri, Ursulina 01/09 11:10 AM >>> I'm a girl and I think wheelies are cool, but you'd never catch me doing one. Maybe a tiny one cause I accidentally let the clutch slip too soon but nothing on purpose. Ursulina Viteri 202-416-6534 * Fax 202-223-9095 AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. - Washington, DC >-----Original Message----- >From: O'Brien, Jeannette [SMTP:jlobrien@XXXXXX] >Sent: Friday, January 09, 1998 7:32 AM >To: dc-cycles >Subject: Fun Fun! > >Each night this week when I've stopped at the light near my house on >Columbia Pike some guy has pulled up next to me, stared at the bike for >a while & said, "Nice bike." Last night the guy asked if I could do a >wheelie for him. What is it with you men and wheelies!!?? > >- Jeannette > Not Enough Testosterone to Desire Wheelies > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 12:06:48 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA08222; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:06:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA18245; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:06:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA05770; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:06:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com by mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (8.8.8/McCaw V8 version 1) id JAA06620; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:06:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id JAA28248; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:06:05 -0800 Received: from hq-msg01.nwest.mccaw.com by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id JAA28241; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:06:04 -0800 Received: by hq-msg01.nwest.mccaw.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD1CDD.CC40F080@XXXXXX>; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:05:57 -0800 Message-ID: From: "Viteri, Ursulina" To: "'Todd Peer'" , "'Viteri, Ursulina'" Cc: "'O'Brien, Jeannette'" , "'dc-cycles'" Subject: RE: Fun Fun! Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:02:51 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 43 TEXT Anyone willing to volunteer to do some wheelies on Sunday???? Ursulina Viteri 202-416-6534 * Fax 202-223-9095 AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. - Washington, DC >-----Original Message----- >From: Todd Peer [SMTP:Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX] >Sent: Friday, January 09, 1998 8:38 AM >To: Viteri, Ursulina >Cc: 'O'Brien, Jeannette'; 'dc-cycles' >Subject: RE: Fun Fun! > > > Hear that guys? She thinks "Wheelies" (wink, wink) are cool! > Whoohoo! > > Todd > >_______________________ >I'm a girl and I think wheelies are cool, but you'd never catch me doing >one. Maybe a tiny one cause I accidentally let the clutch slip too >soon but nothing on purpose. > >Ursulina Viteri >202-416-6534 * Fax 202-223-9095 >AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. - Washington, DC > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: O'Brien, Jeannette [SMTP:jlobrien@XXXXXX] >>Sent: Friday, January 09, 1998 7:32 AM >>To: dc-cycles >>Subject: Fun Fun! >> >>Each night this week when I've stopped at the light near my house on >>Columbia Pike some guy has pulled up next to me, stared at the bike for >>a while & said, "Nice bike." Last night the guy asked if I could do a >>wheelie for him. What is it with you men and wheelies!!?? >> >>- Jeannette >> Not Enough Testosterone to Desire Wheelies >> >> From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 12:06:51 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA08227; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:06:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA18251; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:06:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA05780; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:06:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay2.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id MAA12976; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:06:40 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:05:18 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D37EB7C@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Viteri, Ursulina'" , "'Todd Peer'" Cc: "O'Brien, Jeannette" , "'dc-cycles'" Subject: RE: Fun Fun! Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:04:20 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Uh oh, we have another flirt on the list!! - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Viteri, Ursulina [SMTP:ursulina.viteri@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, January 09, 1998 12:03 PM > To: 'Todd Peer'; 'Viteri, Ursulina' > Cc: 'O'Brien, Jeannette'; 'dc-cycles' > Subject: RE: Fun Fun! > > Anyone willing to volunteer to do some wheelies on Sunday???? > > Ursulina Viteri > 202-416-6534 * Fax 202-223-9095 > AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. - Washington, DC > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Todd Peer [SMTP:Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX] > >Sent: Friday, January 09, 1998 8:38 AM > >To: Viteri, Ursulina > >Cc: 'O'Brien, Jeannette'; 'dc-cycles' > >Subject: RE: Fun Fun! > > > > > > Hear that guys? She thinks "Wheelies" (wink, wink) are cool! > > Whoohoo! > > > > Todd > > > >_______________________ > >I'm a girl and I think wheelies are cool, but you'd never catch me > doing > >one. Maybe a tiny one cause I accidentally let the clutch slip too > >soon but nothing on purpose. > > > >Ursulina Viteri > >202-416-6534 * Fax 202-223-9095 > >AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. - Washington, DC > > > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: O'Brien, Jeannette [SMTP:jlobrien@XXXXXX] > >>Sent: Friday, January 09, 1998 7:32 AM > >>To: dc-cycles > >>Subject: Fun Fun! > >> > >>Each night this week when I've stopped at the light near my house on > >>Columbia Pike some guy has pulled up next to me, stared at the bike > for > >>a while & said, "Nice bike." Last night the guy asked if I could do > a > >>wheelie for him. What is it with you men and wheelies!!?? > >> > >>- Jeannette > >> Not Enough Testosterone to Desire Wheelies > >> > >> From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 12:07:35 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA08239; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:07:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA18329; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:07:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from portal.visa.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA05792; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:07:19 -0500 (EST) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA21857 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:07:14 -0800 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:07:14 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'Todd Peer'" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Oh Scary Me... Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:08:23 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 6 TEXT >I personally am more scared of the power-suit (read power-tripping) types Todd - ESPECIALLY if they're driving a Volvo... Michael J. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 12:22:40 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA08481; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:22:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA18901; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:22:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from welchlink.welch.jhu.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA06064; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:22:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from HGREENS.adventisthealthcare.com (Pool-207-205-223-90.pitb.grid.net [207.205.223.90]) by welchlink.welch.jhu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA14106 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:20:03 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980109122324.006b55ac@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: hggmd@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 12:23:24 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." Subject: Going riding Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Well, It's 60 degrees and sunny right now, so I'm hitting the road soon. Anybody else going out in the next hour? Harry Bethesda, MD '97 BMW R1100RT http://www.greenspun.com/harry/bikes.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 12:27:37 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA08564; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:27:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA18978; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:27:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA06174; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:27:21 -0500 (EST) From: Jinn Sinn Message-ID: Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:26:31 EST Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Rude Cagers Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) ok...this morning, riding to work on the parkway (Rock Creek) the lanes are merging cause some idiot is blocking traffic in one lane. I'm in the left lane, car in the right lane and slightly BEHIND me (so she DEFINATELY SAW ME)......pulls about 3/4 of the way into my lane forcing me to go left into the left-turn lane where fortunately there were no other cars....her window was down, my visor was up and I yelled "Hey!" (wellll......I couldn't think of anything else on the spur of the moment and my horn doesn't work....) her response was to shrug and proceed to take up the remaining 1/4 of the lane...........argh! marcy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 12:35:32 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA08738; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:35:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA19085; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:35:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA06457; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:35:19 -0500 (EST) From: bmccoy@XXXXXX Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id MAA16831 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:35:19 -0500 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma016807; Fri, 9 Jan 98 12:34:55 -0500 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id MAA18354 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:34:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.11.00.3) id AA884367120; Fri, 09 Jan 98 12:32:01 -0500 Message-Id: <9801098843.AA884367120@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.11.00.3 Date: Fri, 09 Jan 98 12:29:47 -0500 To: Subject: Re: Going riding MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: "cc:Mail Note Part" I would love to join... but the only riding I'm going to be doing in the next hour is to go for lunch. Enjoy yourself... Brian M. ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Well, It's 60 degrees and sunny right now, so I'm hitting the road soon. Anybody else going out in the next hour? Harry Bethesda, MD '97 BMW R1100RT http://www.greenspun.com/harry/bikes.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 12:40:35 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA08815; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:40:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA19165; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:40:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from PASHA.COM by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA06586; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:40:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from PASHA-Message_Server by PASHA.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 09 Jan 1998 12:34:24 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 12:39:53 -0500 From: Sean Sullivan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Riding With Passenger Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Re: Riding With Passenger Fast and frantic when you're alone. Take your time when you're riding with someone else. That's good advice for a lot of things, actually. Sean >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyone out there have any advice on learning how to ride with a passenger? <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 12:41:12 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA08823; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:41:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA19177; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:41:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA06607; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:41:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com by mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (8.8.8/McCaw V8 version 1) id JAA15343; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:40:27 -0800 (PST) Received: by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id JAA07492; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:40:21 -0800 Received: from hq-msg01.nwest.mccaw.com by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id JAA07463; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:40:13 -0800 Received: by hq-msg01.nwest.mccaw.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD1CE2.8F050760@XXXXXX>; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:40:02 -0800 Message-ID: From: "Viteri, Ursulina" To: "'Harry G. Greenspun, M.D.'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Going riding Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:37:00 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 21 TEXT Geez, do you have to rub it in?! : - ) Ursulina Viteri 202-416-6534 * Fax 202-223-9095 AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. - Washington, DC >-----Original Message----- >From: Harry G. Greenspun, M.D. [SMTP:hgg@XXXXXX] >Sent: Friday, January 09, 1998 9:23 AM >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Going riding > >Well, > It's 60 degrees and sunny right now, so I'm hitting the road soon. >Anybody else going out in the next hour? > > >Harry >Bethesda, MD >'97 BMW R1100RT >http://www.greenspun.com/harry/bikes.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 12:43:24 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA08855; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:43:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA19197; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:43:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA06675; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:43:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com by mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (8.8.8/McCaw V8 version 1) id JAA16035; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:42:36 -0800 (PST) Received: by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id JAA07945; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:42:19 -0800 Received: from hq_msg01.nwest.mccaw.com by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id JAA07939; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:42:18 -0800 Received: by hq_msg01.nwest.mccaw.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD1CE2.DECFF840@XXXXXX>; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:42:16 -0800 Message-ID: From: "Viteri, Ursulina" To: "'Jinn Sinn'" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Rude Cagers Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:39:11 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 25 TEXT There is that universal sign that would have gotten your message across, but probably not the best idea to let go of anything while in traffic. Ursulina Viteri 202-416-6534 * Fax 202-223-9095 AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. - Washington, DC >-----Original Message----- >From: Jinn Sinn [SMTP:JinnSinn@XXXXXX] >Sent: Friday, January 09, 1998 9:27 AM >Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Rude Cagers > >ok...this morning, riding to work on the parkway (Rock Creek) the lanes are >merging cause some idiot is blocking traffic in one lane. I'm in the left >lane, car in the right lane and slightly BEHIND me (so she DEFINATELY SAW >ME)......pulls about 3/4 of the way into my lane forcing me to go left into >the left-turn lane where fortunately there were no other cars....her window >was down, my visor was up and I yelled "Hey!" (wellll......I couldn't think >of >anything else on the spur of the moment and my horn doesn't work....) her >response was to shrug and proceed to take up the remaining 1/4 of the >lane...........argh! > >marcy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 12:47:48 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA08929; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:47:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA19286; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:47:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA06758; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:47:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com by mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (8.8.8/McCaw V8 version 1) id JAA17084; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:47:02 -0800 (PST) Received: by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id JAA09256; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:46:57 -0800 Received: from hq_msg01.nwest.mccaw.com by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id JAA09211; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:46:48 -0800 Received: by hq_msg01.nwest.mccaw.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD1CE3.7983B2F0@XXXXXX>; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:46:35 -0800 Message-ID: From: "Viteri, Ursulina" To: "'Sandy Triolo'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: RE: Fun Fun! Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:43:30 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 69 TEXT I'll just watch from a safe distance. I'll bring a camera if you like and capture the moment. Ursulina Viteri 202-416-6534 * Fax 202-223-9095 AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. - Washington, DC >-----Original Message----- >From: Sandy Triolo [SMTP:TRIOLOS@XXXXXX] >Sent: Friday, January 09, 1998 9:06 AM >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: RE: Fun Fun! > >I'm a girl (read women) and I *really* want to learn how to do a wheelie, I >just don't want to learn on my >450 pound hurricane, anyone want to donate a 250 dirt bike to the cause? > >sandy >87 Hurricane 600F >85 Virago 1000 > >>>> Viteri, Ursulina 01/09 11:10 AM >>> >I'm a girl and I think wheelies are cool, but you'd never catch me doing one. > Maybe a tiny one cause I accidentally let the clutch slip too soon but >nothing on purpose. > >Ursulina Viteri >202-416-6534 * Fax 202-223-9095 >AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. - Washington, DC > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: O'Brien, Jeannette [SMTP:jlobrien@XXXXXX] >>Sent: Friday, January 09, 1998 7:32 AM >>To: dc-cycles >>Subject: Fun Fun! >> >>Each night this week when I've stopped at the light near my house on >>Columbia Pike some guy has pulled up next to me, stared at the bike for >>a while & said, "Nice bike." Last night the guy asked if I could do a >>wheelie for him. What is it with you men and wheelies!!?? >> >>- Jeannette >> Not Enough Testosterone to Desire Wheelies >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 12:48:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA08966; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:48:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA19316; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:48:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA06788; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:48:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from default ([12.68.78.53]) by mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA27559; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 17:47:55 +0000 Reply-To: "kevin thomas" From: "kevin thomas" To: , Cc: Subject: Re: Riding with a Passenger Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:44:34 -0500 Message-ID: <01bd1d26$40f988e0$354e440c@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Kurt-- Fortunately, back when I was a new rider, prior to taking the MSF, I rode with a few passengers and they lived. After I knwe what I was doing, I refused passengers for at least 6 months. I can't add to the advice you've gotten here. I'll reiterate, tho, if they don't _quickly_ learn how to be a good passenger, don't let them on the bike. They'll kill you both. I had to do that with a good friend who is a serious bicyclist and an occasional motorcycle rider. I dunno, maybe he has poor impulse control or something. He's almost knocked me over a few times. Another friend, a new rider, got a wheel caught in an old trolley track in Georgetown (maybe he could have stayed up, maybe not) and his passenger _jumped_ off the bike. Of course, he went down then. Good luck Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 12:58:06 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA09201; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:58:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA19427; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:57:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA06996; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:57:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay2.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id MAA28679; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:57:49 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:56:26 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D37EB80@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Sean Sullivan'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Riding With Passenger Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:55:28 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Let's just say I'll leave this one alone... ; ) Squeakers?? - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Sean Sullivan [SMTP:SUPERFND@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, January 09, 1998 12:40 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Riding With Passenger > > Re: Riding With Passenger > > Fast and frantic when you're alone. Take your time when you're > riding with someone > else. That's good advice for a lot of things, actually. > Sean > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Anyone out there have any advice on learning how to ride with a > passenger? > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 13:08:06 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA09374; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 13:08:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA19805; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 13:07:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA07291; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 13:07:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from default ([12.68.78.53]) by mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA9199; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 18:07:20 +0000 Reply-To: "kevin thomas" From: "kevin thomas" To: "Viteri, Ursulina" , "'Jinn Sinn'" Cc: Subject: Re: Rude Cagers Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 13:04:04 -0500 Message-ID: <01bd1d28$f95904e0$354e440c@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Ursulina-- I've been tempted to use that universal sign, but I have a hard time dropping my pants while riding............ :-D later Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 13:15:45 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA09547; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 13:15:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA20409; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 13:15:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA07610; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 13:15:27 -0500 (EST) From: bmccoy@XXXXXX Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id NAA20142 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 13:15:24 -0500 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma020069; Fri, 9 Jan 98 13:14:53 -0500 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id NAA19161 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 13:14:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.11.00.3) id AA884368528; Fri, 09 Jan 98 13:11:58 -0500 Message-Id: <9801098843.AA884368528@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.11.00.3 Date: Fri, 09 Jan 98 12:54:59 -0500 To: Subject: Wheelie Theories... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: "cc:Mail Note Part" Sandy, I'm not so sure that attempting to learn to wheelie on a dirtbike would be beneficial to transferring to the street. This is especially true of a 2-stroke. they are so light, and come on the pipe so hard that there is no effort in doing a wheelie. It might be a good tool to learn balance and control on one wheel for the longer uni-cycle endeavors. Your CBR is actually, what I would consider, a good bike to learn on. It's pretty light, has a good amount of power.. and you're already comfortable on it. As for learning wheelies, there's not a lot to it: There are 2 schools of thought in this regard though. The first being the all out, abuse every fiber of the motorcycle to get the front end in the air theory (al-la Collin.. kidding :) when you start the bike rolling, grab the clutch, go WFO on the throttle and drop the clutch. Not my personal favorite - I did this on a dirt bike - I'm glad grass is soft, and the bike was light - I was on my back in seconds. The second is more technique - in this case you ride to about 7k, chop the throttle off and back on as the front springs rebound while pulling up on the handlebars - the wheelies are less sudden, and generally easier to control. The only drawback is that it takes a lot of power to do this and have grandiose results. Me, a 230lb guy on an 11 year old 500 can get moderate wheelies with this method... if I drop the clutch, my wheel just spins.. Maybe the best learning tool would be a thumper - tons-o-torque and light (usually) to boot..... Anyway... if you really want to learn, you will... but don't abuse the laws to much (I do all my practicing behind the building where I work).. and just be safe.. Brian M. ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ I'm a girl (read women) and I *really* want to learn how to do a wheelie, I just on't want to learn on my 450 pound hurricane, anyone want to donate a 250 dirt bike to the cause? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 13:17:50 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA09583; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 13:17:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA20515; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 13:17:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA07663; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 13:17:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com by mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (8.8.8/McCaw V8 version 1) id KAA23548; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:17:06 -0800 (PST) Received: by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id KAA20857; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:17:01 -0800 Received: from hq_msg01.nwest.mccaw.com by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id KAA20684; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:16:31 -0800 Received: by hq_msg01.nwest.mccaw.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD1CE7.A35DD2A0@XXXXXX>; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:16:24 -0800 Message-ID: From: "Viteri, Ursulina" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Rude Cagers Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:13:19 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 25 TEXT Oh my, that's not the one I was thinking about! Ursulina Viteri 202-416-6534 * Fax 202-223-9095 AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. - Washington, DC >-----Original Message----- >From: kevin thomas [SMTP:klthomas@XXXXXX] >Sent: Friday, January 09, 1998 10:04 AM >To: Viteri, Ursulina; 'Jinn Sinn' >Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Rude Cagers > >Ursulina-- > >I've been tempted to use that universal sign, but I have a hard time >dropping my pants while riding............ > >:-D > >later >Kevin > >He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 13:26:53 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA09702; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 13:26:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA20774; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 13:26:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from draco.eisi.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA07884; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 13:26:39 -0500 (EST) Received: by draco.eisi.com; id NAA21824; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 13:43:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from unknown(10.3.1.4) by draco.eisi.com via smap (3.2) id xma021773; Fri, 9 Jan 98 13:43:30 -0500 Received: by hrnexch1.eisi.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 13:26:15 -0500 Message-ID: <7F151D3C3920D111859A080009D806396E6C31@hrnexch1.eisi.com> From: "Whiteside, John" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Going riding Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 13:26:12 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Oh, sure, tease all of us stuck in our climate-controlled no-windows-that-open offices. -- John Whiteside > -----Original Message----- > From: Harry G. Greenspun, M.D. [SMTP:hgg@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, January 09, 1998 12:23 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Going riding > > Well, > It's 60 degrees and sunny right now, so I'm hitting the road soon. > Anybody else going out in the next hour? > > > Harry > Bethesda, MD > '97 BMW R1100RT > http://www.greenspun.com/harry/bikes.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 13:29:47 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA09742; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 13:29:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA20822; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 13:29:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from goliath.intelsol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA07990; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 13:29:27 -0500 (EST) From: sbeck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.06 (346.8 3-18-1997)) id 85256587.00661DAF ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 13:35:22 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256587.00659DB6.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 13:35:18 -0400 Subject: Fun Fun! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII >You just *think* he was checking out the bike. You were wearing >your leather pants, right? 'Nice Bike' is a secret code phrase. Of >couse, I've sworn upon the Sacred He Man Biker Code to never >reveal what the secret codes are to one of you females. >And don't any of you other guys spill the secret either! :-) >Dale (the Horkster) >PS: You should have smacked that guy for asking you to do >a "wheelie" for him. Another code phrase. The nerve of that guy! Yes they were definitely secret codes. Here are some generic examples of such codes. THE WOMEN'S GUIDE TO MALE ENGLISH I'm hungry = I'm hungry I'm sleepy = I'm sleepy I'm tired = I'm tired Do you want to go to a movie = I'd eventually like to have sex with you Can I take you out to dinner? = I'd eventually like to have sex with you Can I call you sometime? = I'd eventually like to have sex with you May I have this dance? = I'd eventually like to have sex with you Nice dress = Nice cleavage! You look tense, let me give you a massage = I want to fondle you What's wrong? = I don't see why you're making such a big deal out of this What's wrong? = what meaningless, self inflicted psychological trauma are you going through now? What's wrong? = I guess sex tonight is out of the question I'm bored = Do you want to have sex? I love you = Let's have sex now I love you, too = Oay, I said it...we'd better have sex now! Yes, I like the way you cut your hair = I liked it better before Yes, I like the way you cut your hair = $50 and it doesn't look that much different! Let's talk = I am trying to impress you by showing that I am a deep person and maybe then you'd like to have sex with me Will you marry me? = I want to make it illegal for other men to have sex with you I like that one better (while shopping) = Pick any frigging dress and let's go home! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 13:30:56 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA09814; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 13:30:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA20868; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 13:30:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from draco.eisi.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA08092; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 13:30:40 -0500 (EST) Received: by draco.eisi.com; id NAA22270; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 13:48:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from unknown(10.3.1.4) by draco.eisi.com via smap (3.2) id xma022263; Fri, 9 Jan 98 13:48:01 -0500 Received: by hrnexch1.eisi.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 13:30:46 -0500 Message-ID: <7F151D3C3920D111859A080009D806396E6C32@hrnexch1.eisi.com> From: "Whiteside, John" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Rude Cagers Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 13:30:43 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain It's probably not a good idea for a lot of reasons. A couple of years ago I was driving (not riding) along in moderate traffic in the Boston burb where my office was, when a guy came tearing out of a parking lot & nearly hit me. Good thing I was paying attention. I reflexively honked at him. He slammed on his breaks (nearly landing me in his back seat, since he had just cut me off & I was right behind him), stopped, and hopped out of the car. Then he came back to my car, started pounding on my window and screaming. He was completely nuts -- eyes bugging out, veins bulging. Oh yeah, and he was over 6' and 200 lbs., I'm 5'8 and 150. Then he snapped out of it and drove away. A lot of people are psychopaths. I honk if I think it'll keep 'em from hitting me, otherwise I let it go. -- John Whiteside > -----Original Message----- > From: Viteri, Ursulina [SMTP:ursulina.viteri@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, January 09, 1998 12:39 PM > To: 'Jinn Sinn' > Cc: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > Subject: RE: Rude Cagers > > There is that universal sign that would have gotten your message > across, > but probably not the best idea to let go of anything while in traffic. > > Ursulina Viteri > 202-416-6534 * Fax 202-223-9095 > AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. - Washington, DC > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Jinn Sinn [SMTP:JinnSinn@XXXXXX] > >Sent: Friday, January 09, 1998 9:27 AM > >Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >Subject: Rude Cagers > > > >ok...this morning, riding to work on the parkway (Rock Creek) the > lanes are > >merging cause some idiot is blocking traffic in one lane. I'm in the > left > >lane, car in the right lane and slightly BEHIND me (so she DEFINATELY > SAW > >ME)......pulls about 3/4 of the way into my lane forcing me to go > left into > >the left-turn lane where fortunately there were no other cars....her > window > >was down, my visor was up and I yelled "Hey!" (wellll......I couldn't > think > >of > >anything else on the spur of the moment and my horn doesn't work....) > her > >response was to shrug and proceed to take up the remaining 1/4 of the > >lane...........argh! > > > >marcy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 13:40:09 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA09965; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 13:40:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA21044; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 13:39:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from DONALD.CDER.FDA.GOV by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA08300; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 13:39:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from mr.cder.fda.gov by fdaserv.cder.fda.gov (PMDF V5.1-8 #21467) id <01IS6B2K38ZK8ZHM6N@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 13:40:09 EST Received: with PMDF-MR; Fri, 09 Jan 1998 13:36:16 -0500 (EST) MR-Received: by mta DONALD; Relayed; Fri, 09 Jan 1998 13:36:16 -0500 Alternate-recipient: prohibited Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 13:36:38 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy Subject: Re: Wheelie Theories... To: DC Cycles Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Posting-date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 13:36:39 -0500 (EST) Importance: normal Priority: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential UA-content-id: E1132IES2XH3C X400-MTS-identifier: [;61633190108991/2243021@FDACD] A1-type: MAIL Hop-count: 1 >Not my personal favorite - I did this on a dirt bike - I'm glad grass is >soft, and the bike was light - I was on my back in seconds. While the danger is obvious I think it bears pointing to a story from my childhood. We bought a CR80R (two stroke "racing" dirt bike) from a kid who did just this and probably still can't walk upright (this was about 17 years ago). On the other hand, we only paid $400 for a bike that had maybe 4 or 5 hours of easy usage before the damaging over-wheelie was done. If memory serves that was the hot mini of the day... Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 13:40:58 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA09973; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 13:40:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA21069; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 13:40:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA08307; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 13:40:46 -0500 (EST) From: MotorLE Message-ID: <80b744b6.34b66ecb@aol.com> Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 13:39:06 EST To: TRIOLOS@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: RE: Fun Fun! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) >I'm a girl (read women) and I *really* want to learn how to do a wheelie, I just >don't want to learn on my >450 pound hurricane, anyone want to donate a 250 dirt bike to the cause? I "accidently" learned to wheelie on my 450 pound BMW. BMWs are girls bikes, aren't they? Colleen From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 13:54:40 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA10200; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 13:54:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA21231; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 13:54:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA08652; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 13:54:14 -0500 (EST) From: Jinn Sinn Message-ID: <2fe76be.34b67127@aol.com> Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 13:49:10 EST To: klthomas@XXXXXX, ursulina.viteri@XXXXXX, JinnSinn@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: Rude Cagers Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) In a message dated 1/9/98 1:07:53 PM, klthomas@XXXXXX wrote: <> gee maybe I should've just flashed her..... ;D From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 14:05:08 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA10383; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 14:05:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA21429; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 14:04:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from citi.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA08874; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 14:04:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from ns1 ([132.80.98.55]) by citi.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA24430; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 14:05:06 -0500 Message-ID: <34B6763C.436C5A4@ibm.net> Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 14:10:52 -0500 From: "Robert W. Johnston" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Whiteside, John" CC: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Unrelated rant for the day...Re: Rude Cagers X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <7F151D3C3920D111859A080009D806396E6C32@hrnexch1.eisi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > ...started pounding on my window and screaming. He was completely nuts > -- eyes bugging out, veins bulging. Oh yeah, and he was over 6' and > 200 lbs., I'm 5'8 and > 150 ... I had a similar experience in a shopping lot the Friday after Thanksgiving, only I added the seated universal salute. The guy was smaller and and younger than me. Started to walk over to my truck, ranting about pieces of him and kicking things... So I pepper sprayed the moron ( with a streaming 10% capsium and tear gas mix product)... Now having pepper sprayed someone, I will say that it is not the 'immediate immobilization' that the non-lethal force proponents claim. The guy did go away, but to those of you looking to a product like this for personal protection, as opposed to pest repellent, my advise is to move to Virginia and get a concealed carry permit. Nothing says No as loud as a Colt. Just another lunatic out for a thrill, rwj From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 14:06:51 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA10407; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 14:06:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA21515; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 14:06:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA08922; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 14:06:39 -0500 (EST) Received: by hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD1D07.704D69A0@XXXXXX>; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 14:04:02 -0500 Message-ID: From: To: , Subject: RE: Wheelie Theories... Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 14:04:00 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 39 TEXT Well, if we are trading wheelie stories. When I was 15, I was dating this farm boy (actually they were all farm boys - lived in the sticks) and he had a red Honda CRX90 (I think, never paid that much attention to them then) and he let me ride it. He said "Don't pop the cluch, we've been working on it". Well not knowing exactly what he meant, I popped the clutch, the bike reared and silly me instead of leaving it go, I held on, fell on my back with this bike on top of me. Bruised my breast bone, ribs and chest pretty bad. (Shut up, Dale about the swelling that still hasn't gone down - that's not swelling - that's 100% me!) To this day I just try and keep all of the wheels on the ground. Tracy Horstman '87 Suzuki Savage 650 "There are 2 types of computer users in the world: Those that have lost data and those that are going to....." ---------- From: Kirk Roy[SMTP:ROYK@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, January 09, 1998 1:36 PM To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Wheelie Theories... >Not my personal favorite - I did this on a dirt bike - I'm glad grass is >soft, and the bike was light - I was on my back in seconds. While the danger is obvious I think it bears pointing to a story from my childhood. We bought a CR80R (two stroke "racing" dirt bike) from a kid who did just this and probably still can't walk upright (this was about 17 years ago). On the other hand, we only paid $400 for a bike that had maybe 4 or 5 hours of easy usage before the damaging over-wheelie was done. If memory serves that was the hot mini of the day... Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 14:08:44 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA10444; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 14:08:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA21601; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 14:08:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA08967; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 14:08:30 -0500 (EST) Received: by hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD1D07.B3B879F0@XXXXXX>; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 14:05:55 -0500 Message-ID: From: To: , Subject: RE: Going riding Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 14:05:53 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 35 TEXT You have windows! What I wouldn't do to have a window....... Tracy Horstman '87 Suzuki Savage 650 "There are 2 types of computer users in the world: Those that have lost data and those that are going to....." ---------- From: Whiteside, John[SMTP:jwhiteside@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, January 09, 1998 1:26 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Going riding Oh, sure, tease all of us stuck in our climate-controlled no-windows-that-open offices. -- John Whiteside > -----Original Message----- > From: Harry G. Greenspun, M.D. [SMTP:hgg@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, January 09, 1998 12:23 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Going riding > > Well, > It's 60 degrees and sunny right now, so I'm hitting the road soon. > Anybody else going out in the next hour? > > > Harry > Bethesda, MD > '97 BMW R1100RT > http://www.greenspun.com/harry/bikes.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 14:10:54 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA10491; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 14:10:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA21754; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 14:10:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from draco.eisi.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA09032; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 14:10:39 -0500 (EST) Received: by draco.eisi.com; id OAA25454; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 14:28:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from unknown(10.3.1.4) by draco.eisi.com via smap (3.2) id xma025446; Fri, 9 Jan 98 14:28:06 -0500 Received: by hrnexch1.eisi.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 14:10:51 -0500 Message-ID: <7F151D3C3920D111859A080009D806396E6C36@hrnexch1.eisi.com> From: "Whiteside, John" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Going riding Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 14:10:48 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Well, not in my own cube. If I lean waaaaay back in my chair and look down the aisle, I can see some sunlight off in the distance... John Whiteside Marketing Specialist EIS Marketing Dept. Phone: (703) 736-8386 * Fax (703) 787-6720 jwhiteside@XXXXXX http://www.eisi.com > -----Original Message----- > From: tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX [SMTP:tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, January 09, 1998 2:06 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX; jwhiteside@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Going riding > > You have windows! What I wouldn't do to have a window....... > Tracy Horstman > '87 Suzuki Savage 650 > "There are 2 types of computer users in the world: > Those that have lost data > and those that are going to....." > > ---------- > From: Whiteside, John[SMTP:jwhiteside@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, January 09, 1998 1:26 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Going riding > > Oh, sure, tease all of us stuck in our climate-controlled > no-windows-that-open offices. > > -- John Whiteside > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Harry G. Greenspun, M.D. [SMTP:hgg@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Friday, January 09, 1998 12:23 PM > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Going riding > > > > Well, > > It's 60 degrees and sunny right now, so I'm hitting the road soon. > > Anybody else going out in the next hour? > > > > > > Harry > > Bethesda, MD > > '97 BMW R1100RT > > http://www.greenspun.com/harry/bikes.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 14:21:15 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA10642; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 14:21:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA22171; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 14:20:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from portal.visa.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA09284; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 14:20:50 -0500 (EST) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA10636 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:20:48 -0800 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:20:48 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'Robert W. Johnston'" , "'Whiteside, John'" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Unrelated rant for the day...Re: Rude Cagers Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:21:52 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 6 TEXT >Nothing says No as loud as a Colt. My PPKS says no quite nicely (sniff) Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 14:29:00 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA10865; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 14:29:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA22807; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 14:28:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from portal.visa.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA09677; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 14:28:45 -0500 (EST) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA11638 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:28:41 -0800 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:28:41 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Wheelie Theories... Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:29:50 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 19 TEXT I remember my first wheelie as if it were yesterday... 'Twas in 1961, as I tried to impress a young lady (wunnerful stuff, testosterone!). I cranked the throttle open and dropped the clutch on my Vespa (you in back - stop snickering!) The front wheel climbed for the sky, I slid off the seat and proceeded to get dragged down the road on my knees, still clutching the handlebars and squeezing the front brake lever (with very little effect, I might add) Eventually, we (the Vespa and I) fell over. As I recall, it wasn't anywhere near as funny at the time... Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 14:54:28 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA11419; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 14:54:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA24093; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 14:54:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from citi.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA10531; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 14:54:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from ns1 ([132.80.98.55]) by citi.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA24481; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 14:54:14 -0500 Message-ID: <34B681BF.360AE9E9@ibm.net> Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 14:59:59 -0500 From: "Robert W. Johnston" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Jordan, Michael" CC: "'Whiteside, John'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: Unrelated rant for the day...Re: Rude Cagers X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jordan, Michael wrote: > My PPKS says no quite nicely (sniff) and very politely I would expect... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 15:07:16 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA11583; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 15:07:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA24250; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 15:06:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA10841; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 15:06:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.02c) id A35B2E50078; Fri, 09 Jan 1998 15:06:51 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980109145256.009daa90@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 14:52:56 -0500 To: From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Rude Cagers In-Reply-To: <01bd1d28$f95904e0$354e440c@default> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 01:04 PM 1/9/98 -0500, kevin thomas wrote: >Ursulina-- > >I've been tempted to use that universal sign, but I have a hard time >dropping my pants while riding............ > >:-D ^^^^^^ Is this what yours looks like? Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 15:07:17 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA11586; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 15:07:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA24253; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 15:06:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA10847; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 15:06:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.02c) id A35C2E50078; Fri, 09 Jan 1998 15:06:52 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980109150551.009daa90@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 15:05:51 -0500 To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Unrelated rant for the day...Re: Rude Cagers In-Reply-To: <34B6763C.436C5A4@ibm.net> References: <7F151D3C3920D111859A080009D806396E6C32@hrnexch1.eisi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 02:10 PM 1/9/98 -0500, Robert W. Johnston wrote: >Now having pepper sprayed someone, I will say that it is not the >'immediate immobilization' that the non-lethal force proponents claim. >The guy did go away, but to those of you looking to a product like this >for personal protection, as opposed to pest repellent, my advise is to >move to Virginia and get a concealed carry permit. Nothing says No as >loud as a Colt. > >Just another lunatic out for a thrill, So you pull your Colt, and he pulls his 14-shot 9mm, and you pull your sawed-off, and he pulls his MAC-10, ... I just think this is a rapidly escalating, rapidly degenerating situation. Remember the two dueling drivers on the GW Parkway? One died and two innocents died? The dead driver was a known aggressive driver with multiple reckless tickets; his girlfriend said he took out his aggressions on the road. The surviving driver is in jail for about 10 years now, in the past he'd been charged with beating his wife, and he was illegally carrying a gun in his car when he wrecked. Do you really want to go up against nuts like this? Not me, life is too important to waste it on people like this. Chris Norloff P.S. The day I pulled out my 357 Magnum as a crazy raced up behind me in his car was the day I decided I want no part of trying to John Wayne it through life. Life is real, John Wayne wasn't. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 15:07:17 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA11585; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 15:07:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA24252; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 15:06:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA10844; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 15:06:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.02c) id A3582E50078; Fri, 09 Jan 1998 15:06:51 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980109145455.009daa90@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 14:54:55 -0500 To: From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Rude Cagers In-Reply-To: <7F151D3C3920D111859A080009D806396E6C32@hrnexch1.eisi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 01:30 PM 1/9/98 -0500, Whiteside, John wrote: >Then he came back to my car, started pounding on >my window and screaming. He was completely nuts -- eyes bugging out, >veins bulging. Oh yeah, and he was over 6' and 200 lbs., I'm 5'8 and >150. Then he snapped out of it and drove away. > >A lot of people are psychopaths. I honk if I think it'll keep 'em from >hitting me, otherwise I let it go. Very, very, good advice. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 15:23:26 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA11875; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 15:23:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA24766; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 15:23:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.clark.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA11445; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 15:23:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from explorer.clark.net (louis@XXXXXX [168.143.0.7]) by mail.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA09210; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 15:23:03 -0500 (EST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Received: (from louis@localhost) by explorer.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA06632; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 15:22:58 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199801092022.PAA06632@explorer.clark.net> Subject: Re: Riding with a Passenger To: hgg@XXXXXX (Harry G. Greenspun, M.D.) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 15:22:58 -0500 (EST) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980109114846.0069f814@pop.mindspring.com> from "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." at Jan 9, 98 11:48:46 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24alpha3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > > Riding two-up has less to do with you than with them. Although you need > to do a few things (slow down, smooth transitions, etc.), the most > important thing you can do is educate them on being a good passenger. > This includes: > > One thing I cannot get over, though, is seeing guys in boots, leathers, > etc., riding with a passenger wearing shorts and a t-shirt (unless it's a > bikini top...). When I ride with passengers, I have them wear long pants, > gloves, boots, my old Vanson jacket, ear plugs, and a full face helmet. I > also have a second electric vest for when it's cold. Very good advice. Let me add one thing. Be VERY clear about the above before you begin your ride. I took a friend on a poker run once, and after the first rest stop, she took her jacket off, and refused to put it back on. We got into a discussion, and she was pointed out all of the others that were riding with just short sleeves or less. (This was a HOG Poker Run). The two road captains (also MSF instructors who I have taugh with) were wearing long sleeve shirts, I had a leather jacket on (vents opened wide) and a few others had long sleeves or jackets, but about half did not. People were mounting up, and Kelly was the type that no matter how much I tried to get her to wear her jacket (I never yelled or insulted, but I did continue to push) she would not put the jacket back on. I though of heading straight home, but I didn't really know where we were at that point. After the ride, Kelly told me she didn't like the way I tried to push her to wear her jacket and she didn't think she would ride with me anymore. At that point that was fine with me. (had some other problems too) So you should make sure you passenger knows your guidelines in advance, and will agree to them. And suggest alternatives. If it is going to be a hot day, suggest they throw a white long sleeve shirt in your tank bag in case they want to take their jackets off, etc. BTW: I'm not trying to start a war about peole who wear jackets vs. people who don't. I teach the MSF:RSS course, and feel that I should practice what I preach. Long sleeves, helmets (even in states without helmet laws, like when I went to CT) etc. And since I am responsible for my passenger (who's ass is going to get sued if she's hurt?) I feel I have the right to ask her to dress safely. Louis From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 15:41:06 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA12165; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 15:41:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA25019; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 15:40:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from sundown.northgrum.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA12093; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 15:40:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from puff.northgrum.com (puff.northgrum.com [157.127.103.139]) by sundown.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id MAA24114 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:40:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from xcgca004.northgrum.com ([157.127.103.103]) by puff.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id MAA29280 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:40:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by XCGCA004 with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:41:17 -0800 Message-ID: <11D743514607D011A15500805FEA3464A45DC4@xcgva001.grumman.com> From: "Meier, Christopher" To: "'Louis F. Caplan'" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Riding with a Passenger Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:41:25 -0800 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Louis, While I agree with you to a certain point ... what good does a long sleeve shirt do? I mean other than prevent sun-burn. I always wear protection when I ride, but I figure if I take the jacket off, I might as well go shirtless, if all I have under it is a cotton shirt. I don't let passengers on unless they are wearing my second helmet, second jacket (which was leather and is now a Canyon cordura) and a pair of leather gloves. My SO does object to the heat, but knows the importance of the protection. It funny though, cause on the really hot days, every once in a while she taps me on the shoulder, a signal to lay on the tank for a few miles to give her some wind. :-) Ymmv, chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ > ---------- > From: Louis F. Caplan[SMTP:louis@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, January 09, 1998 3:22 PM > To: hgg@XXXXXX > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Riding with a Passenger > --snip-- > BTW: I'm not trying to start a war about peole who wear jackets vs. > people > who don't. I teach the MSF:RSS course, and feel that I should > practice > what I preach. Long sleeves, helmets (even in states without helmet > laws, > like when I went to CT) etc. And since I am responsible for my > passenger > (who's ass is going to get sued if she's hurt?) I feel I have the > right > to ask her to dress safely. > > Louis > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 15:45:08 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA12238; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 15:45:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA25117; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 15:45:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA12219; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 15:45:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com by mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (8.8.8/McCaw V8 version 1) id MAA23042; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:44:28 -0800 (PST) Received: by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id MAA00561; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:44:24 -0800 Received: from hq-msg01.nwest.mccaw.com by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id MAA00524; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:44:19 -0800 Received: by hq-msg01.nwest.mccaw.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD1CFC.46B75C00@XXXXXX>; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:44:08 -0800 Message-ID: From: "Viteri, Ursulina" To: "'Chris Norloff'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Rude Cagers Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:40:55 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 59 TEXT I was thinking more along the lines of a raspberry >: P or the bird, not naked fannies, like this: (_!_) a regular ass > > (__!__) a fat ass > > (!) a tight ass > > (_._) a flat ass > > (_^^_) a bubble ass > > (_*_) a sore ass > > (_!__) a lop-sided ass > > {_!_} a swishy ass > > (_o_) an ass that's been around > > (_O_) and ass that's been around even more > > (_x_) kiss my ass > > (_X_) leave my ass alone > > (_zzz_) a tired ass > > (_o^^o_) a wise ass > > (_13_) an unlucky ass Ursulina Viteri 202-416-6534 * Fax 202-223-9095 AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. - Washington, DC >-----Original Message----- >From: Chris Norloff [SMTP:cnorloff@XXXXXX] >Sent: Friday, January 09, 1998 11:53 AM >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Rude Cagers > >At 01:04 PM 1/9/98 -0500, kevin thomas wrote: >>Ursulina-- >> >>I've been tempted to use that universal sign, but I have a hard time >>dropping my pants while riding............ >> >>:-D >^^^^^^ >Is this what yours looks like? > >Chris Norloff > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 15:51:31 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA12357; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 15:51:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA25252; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 15:51:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from goliath.intelsol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA12468; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 15:51:18 -0500 (EST) From: sbeck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.06 (346.8 3-18-1997)) id 85256587.00731DBF ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 15:57:22 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256587.0072B27E.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 15:57:19 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII After the ride, Kelly told me she didn't like the way I tried to push her to wear her jacket and she didn't think she would ride with me anymore. At that point that was fine with me. (had some other problems too) I wonder if she would have complied if you told her to either put the jacket back on, or walk home. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 16:01:41 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA12562; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:01:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA25458; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:01:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA12855; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:01:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay2.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id QAA28872; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:01:29 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:00:07 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D37EB89@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'sbeck@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 15:59:09 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Right on!! Now that's what I would've done!! - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: sbeck@XXXXXX [SMTP:sbeck@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, January 09, 1998 2:57 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: > > > After the ride, Kelly told me she didn't like the way I tried to push > her to wear her jacket and she didn't think she would ride with me > anymore. At that point that was fine with me. (had some other > problems > too) > > I wonder if she would have complied if you told her to either put the > jacket back on, or walk home. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 16:03:06 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA12592; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:03:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA25473; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:03:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA12878; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:02:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id QAA14752; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:02:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (nmta2.mcit.com [166.37.172.3]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id QAA26050; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:02:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19980109210226.JBMJ6587@[166.41.242.141]>; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:02:26 -0500 Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 15:54 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: "Meier, Christopher" CC: "'Louis F. Caplan'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Riding with a Passenger X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980109210226.JBMJ6587@[166.41.242.141]> Though it sounds insignificant as protection, even a long sleeve shirt is better than nothing at all. I crashed at around 25mph with nothing more than a t-shirt and cotton jacket. The jacket took all the abrasion in the shoulder and was un-wearable afterword. Just wondering what my shoulder would've looked like without the little protection I had on... But your point is well taken. Protection is only good if it is worn when you go down the tarmac. And, I'll admit it, on REALLY hot days, I usually do remove the jacket....and pray! Todd Message-ID: <11D743514607D011A15500805FEA3464A45DC4@xcgva001.grumman.com> From: "Meier, Christopher" To: "'Louis F. Caplan'" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Riding with a Passenger Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:41:25 -0800 Louis, While I agree with you to a certain point ... what good does a long sleeve shirt do? I mean other than prevent sun-burn. I always wear protection when I ride, but I figure if I take the jacket off, I might as well go shirtless, if all I have under it is a cotton shirt. I don't let passengers on unless they are wearing my second helmet, second jacket (which was leather and is now a Canyon cordura) and a pair of leather gloves. My SO does object to the heat, but knows the importance of the protection. It funny though, cause on the really hot days, every once in a while she taps me on the shoulder, a signal to lay on the tank for a few miles to give her some wind. :-) Ymmv, chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ > ---------- > From: Louis F. Caplan[SMTP:louis@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, January 09, 1998 3:22 PM > To: hgg@XXXXXX > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Riding with a Passenger > --snip-- > BTW: I'm not trying to start a war about peole who wear jackets vs. > people > who don't. I teach the MSF:RSS course, and feel that I should > practice > what I preach. Long sleeves, helmets (even in states without helmet > laws, > like when I went to CT) etc. And since I am responsible for my > passenger > (who's ass is going to get sued if she's hurt?) I feel I have the > right > to ask her to dress safely. > > Louis > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 16:04:25 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA12616; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:04:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA25493; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:04:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA12916; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:04:18 -0500 (EST) From: Jinn Sinn Message-ID: Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:03:46 EST To: louis@XXXXXX, hgg@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: Riding with a Passenger Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) In a message dated 1/9/98 3:33:07 PM, louis@XXXXXX wrote: <> damn right! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 16:12:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA12794; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:12:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA25697; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:12:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA13202; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:12:27 -0500 (EST) From: Jinn Sinn Message-ID: <3b2a28e8.34b6904e@aol.com> Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:02:05 EST To: cnorloff@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: Rude Cagers Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) In a message dated 1/9/98 3:25:27 PM, cnorloff@XXXXXX wrote: <> what is THIS? hmmm? A little "I'll show ya mine if you show me yours" ???? LOL marcy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 16:12:41 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA12801; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:12:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA25695; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:12:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA13204; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:12:27 -0500 (EST) From: Jinn Sinn Message-ID: <26045c68.34b6900a@aol.com> Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:00:57 EST To: cnorloff@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: Unrelated rant for the day...Re: Rude Cagers Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) In a message dated 1/9/98 3:22:38 PM, cnorloff@XXXXXX wrote: <> I'm with you Chris......I'd rather let 'em cut me off etc. etc. etc. and go along their merry way than try to find out if they;'re actually armed or not From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 16:14:46 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA12894; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:14:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA25812; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:14:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from welchlink.welch.jhu.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA13369; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:14:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from HGREENS.adventisthealthcare.com (Pool-207-205-223-90.pitb.grid.net [207.205.223.90]) by welchlink.welch.jhu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA21331 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:12:11 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980109161533.006cbb9c@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: hggmd@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 16:15:33 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." Subject: Wheelies Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" There was a great thread on wheelies ages ago on rec.moto. Someone asked how to pop a wheelie... the reply, "Sneeze on a ZX-11." This thread was invariably followed with ones on rebuilding clutches. There are a series of tricks you can do on bikes. Learning them often trashes your bike and/or your body and I don't recommend them... repeat: I DO NOT RECOMMEND THEM. However, my favorite is still the "Rear Wheel Smoke" which involves standing up with feet on the pavement (while the bike is stopped, of course), squeezing the front brake and spinning the rear wheel. The best example of this was in the original "Mad Max" movie, where the bad guys were making donuts then releasing the brake and flying off to terrorize other innocents. It is grossly irresponsible, intimidating to cagers, and tons of fun. You can practice it on a wet road. Good clutch and throttle control are key, as is extra downward pressure on the bars. An unlimited tire and maintenance budget helps, too. A variation on this was done by Cycle World magazine, when the ZX-11 was first introduced. In the photo spread, first the rear tire smokes, then the front end lifts, and finally the whole bike launches (briefly) skyward. Very cool. I could only muster two of the three on my (long lost) Ninja. Harry Bethesda, MD '97 BMW R1100RT http://www.greenspun.com/harry/bikes.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 16:15:45 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA12927; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:15:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA25867; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:15:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from citi.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA13389; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:15:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from johnston.citi.com ([207.226.79.175]) by citi.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA24573; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:15:23 -0500 Received: by johnston.citi.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BD1D1A.1BAE39C0@XXXXXX>; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:17:40 -0500 Message-ID: <01BD1D1A.1BAE39C0@johnston.citi.com> From: Robert Johnston To: "'O'Brien, Jeannette'" , "'Gil M. Nissley'" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Types of People wasRE: Ride Sunday & Other Nonsense Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:17:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yeah okay, works slow today... There is two types of people, those that are dead, and those that are gonna be dead. -Or- "Every man dies, but many never live".. -----Original Message----- From: O'Brien, Jeannette [SMTP:jlobrien@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, January 09, 1998 8:42 AM To: 'Gil M. Nissley'; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Ride Sunday & Other Nonsense I always hear "I'd NEVER ride one of those." or "BE CAREFUL!!" (this warning is usually said at least 3 times as I'm walking to my bike." I've also heard MANY times from people who've NEVER ridden: "There's 2 types of bikers, those who've gone down & those who will." AND!!?? SO WHAT!!?? Should that keep me from my passion? - J From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 16:16:50 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA12953; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:16:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA25913; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:16:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from welchlink.welch.jhu.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA13427; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:16:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from HGREENS.adventisthealthcare.com (Pool-207-205-223-90.pitb.grid.net [207.205.223.90]) by welchlink.welch.jhu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA22059; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:14:04 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980109161711.006cbb9c@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: hggmd@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 16:17:11 -0500 To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" From: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." Subject: RE: Cc: "'sbeck@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D37EB89@badge.tuckerflyer.c om> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 03:59 PM 1/9/98 -0500, O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: >Right on!! Now that's what I would've done!! > >- Jeannette > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sbeck@XXXXXX [SMTP:sbeck@XXXXXX] >> I wonder if she would have complied if you told her to either put the >> jacket back on, or walk home. >> > This is really sad. Trying to get a date to put more clothes on. Have we forgotten why we got bikes in the first place?!? Harry Bethesda, MD '97 BMW R1100RT http://www.greenspun.com/harry/bikes.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 16:18:16 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA12979; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:18:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA25956; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:18:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA13457; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:18:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay2.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id QAA03336; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:18:07 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:16:43 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D37EB8A@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Harry G. Greenspun, M.D.'" , "O'Brien, Jeannette" Cc: "'sbeck@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:15:46 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Speaking of that, I find it rather amusing when I blow by a girl or group of girls on my bike and they turn & stare hungrily at me, not realizing I'm a GIRL on a bike, not some young hot biker stud!! - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Harry G. Greenspun, M.D. [SMTP:hgg@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, January 09, 1998 4:17 PM > To: O'Brien, Jeannette > Cc: 'sbeck@XXXXXX'; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: > > At 03:59 PM 1/9/98 -0500, O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: > >Right on!! Now that's what I would've done!! > > > >- Jeannette > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: sbeck@XXXXXX [SMTP:sbeck@XXXXXX] > >> I wonder if she would have complied if you told her to either put > the > >> jacket back on, or walk home. > >> > > > > This is really sad. Trying to get a date to put more clothes on. > Have we > forgotten why we got bikes in the first place?!? > > Harry > Bethesda, MD > '97 BMW R1100RT > http://www.greenspun.com/harry/bikes.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 16:24:35 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA13145; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:24:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA26332; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:24:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from sundown.northgrum.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA13601; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:24:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from puff.northgrum.com (puff.northgrum.com [157.127.103.139]) by sundown.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id NAA26338 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 13:24:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from xcgca011.northgrum.com ([157.127.103.101]) by puff.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id NAA01416 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 13:24:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by XCGCA011 with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 13:24:50 -0800 Message-ID: <11D743514607D011A15500805FEA3464A45DC5@xcgva001.grumman.com> From: "Meier, Christopher" To: "'dc-cycles'" Subject: Well, Raise 'em some more then ... Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 13:24:43 -0800 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Interesting Article from Today's Washington Post Metro Section pg. B3 State Highway Deaths Hit 33-Year Low Fewer people died on Maryland highways last year than in any year since 1964, according to preliminary figures from the state police. State Police Superintendent David B. Mitchell said 591 people died in traffic crashes during 1997, the lowest number in more than three decades. However, the preliminary count may change by the time final fatality figures are tabulated this month. The 1997 count follows a downward trend of recent years. The state's highway death count peaked in 1968 with 872. In 1996, 615 people died. Mitchell said state police vigilantly pursued aggressive and reckless drivers last year, issuing more than 144,000 aggressive driving citations in the first 11 months of 1997. --------------------------------------------------------------- Interesting news given that the speed limits were _raised_ in MD this year. I would assume this drop to be due to safety improvements in vehicles, not enforcement. Comments? Later, chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 16:26:45 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA13189; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:26:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA26456; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:26:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA13691; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:26:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from rdt.erols.com (man-as7s08.erols.com [207.172.74.135]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA20966; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:27:46 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199801092127.QAA20966@smtp1.erols.com> Reply-To: From: "Ror D. Turner, Esq." To: "Louis F. Caplan" , "DC-Cycles List" Subject: Re: Ride on Saturday Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:12:13 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I will be there by 11:30 on Saturday. Roy D. Turner, Esq. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 16:27:40 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA13209; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:27:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA26474; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:27:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA13708; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:27:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id QAA24595 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:27:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid02.mcit.com [166.37.221.14]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA14404 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 15:27:00 -0600 (CST) Received: from mci.com ([166.32.114.127]) by imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with ESMTP id <19980109212520.UPCV28757@XXXXXX> for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 15:25:20 -0600 Message-ID: <34B695BE.32EE9424@mci.com> Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 16:25:18 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Reply-To: Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Unrelated rant for the day...Re: Rude Cagers References: <26045c68.34b6900a@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Right, why waste the time to bother with them? See, I *know* I could kick their asses if I wanted to, so therefore I don't *have* to. Although, I admit, there are some days that I *want* to.... :-) Horkster (Still wondering how I qualified as an "Angry Biker"....) Jinn Sinn wrote: > In a message dated 1/9/98 3:22:38 PM, cnorloff@XXXXXX wrote: > > < > Not me, life is too important to waste it on people like this.>> > > I'm with you Chris......I'd rather let 'em cut me off etc. etc. etc. and go > along their merry way than try to find out if they;'re actually armed or not From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 16:29:58 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA13248; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:29:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA26583; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:29:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from sundown.northgrum.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA13796; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:29:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from puff.northgrum.com (puff.northgrum.com [157.127.103.139]) by sundown.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id NAA26704 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 13:29:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from xcgca011.northgrum.com ([157.127.103.101]) by puff.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id NAA01738 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 13:29:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by XCGCA011 with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 13:30:28 -0800 Message-ID: <11D743514607D011A15500805FEA3464A45DC6@xcgva001.grumman.com> From: "Meier, Christopher" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, "'Robert Johnston'" Subject: RE: Types of People wasRE: Ride Sunday & Other Nonsense Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 13:30:24 -0800 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Or a favorite of mine I saw on a list a few years back ... "You know, there are an awful lot of people in this world that confuse breathing in and out with living ..." Later, chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ > ---------- > From: Robert Johnston[SMTP:rjohns3@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, January 09, 1998 4:17 PM > To: 'O'Brien, Jeannette'; 'Gil M. Nissley'; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Types of People wasRE: Ride Sunday & Other Nonsense > > Yeah okay, works slow today... > > There is two types of people, those that are dead, and those that are > gonna be dead. -Or- "Every man dies, but many never live".. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 16:41:23 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA13434; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:41:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA27017; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:40:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from draco.eisi.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA14037; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:40:51 -0500 (EST) Received: by draco.eisi.com; id QAA07838; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:40:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from unknown(10.3.1.4) by draco.eisi.com via smap (3.2) id xma007802; Fri, 9 Jan 98 16:40:45 -0500 Received: by hrnexch1.eisi.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:41:03 -0500 Message-ID: <7F151D3C3920D111859A080009D806396E6C38@hrnexch1.eisi.com> From: "Whiteside, John" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:40:59 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Well, you never know... maybe they DO realize! -- John Whiteside > -----Original Message----- > From: O'Brien, Jeannette [SMTP:jlobrien@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, January 09, 1998 4:16 PM > To: 'Harry G. Greenspun, M.D.'; O'Brien, Jeannette > Cc: 'sbeck@XXXXXX'; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: > > Speaking of that, I find it rather amusing when I blow by a girl or > group of girls on my bike and they turn & stare hungrily at me, not > realizing I'm a GIRL on a bike, not some young hot biker stud!! > > - Jeannette > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 16:48:30 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA13579; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:48:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA27143; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:48:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA14272; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:48:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id PAA27980; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 15:47:22 -0600 (CST) Received: from imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid01.mcit.com [166.37.221.13]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA29355; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 15:47:22 -0600 (CST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19980109214722.VVIO215@[166.41.242.141]>; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 15:47:22 -0600 Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 16:38 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Wheelies X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980109214722.VVIO215@[166.41.242.141]> Harry Greenspun wrote: > There was a great thread on wheelies ages ago on rec.moto. Someone > I DO NOT RECOMMEND THEM. > However, my favorite is still the "Rear Wheel Smoke" which involves >standing up with feet on the pavement (while the bike is stopped, of >course), squeezing the front brake and spinning the rear wheel. The best >example of this was in the original "Mad Max" movie, where the bad guys >were making donuts then releasing the brake and flying off to terrorize >other innocents. > It is grossly irresponsible, intimidating to cagers, and tons of fun. You betcha'. For a quicky melt, try a little bleach under the tire ;-) For you miscreants who just can't wait to try this little trick, check this site out first: http://www.motorcycle.com/mo/mclaw/tirepop101.html Todd +-----------------------------+---------------+ | '91 ST1100 - Raven STeel | STOC #487 | | '92 CB750 - Carbon Beauty | HSTA #7615 | | '83 VT500 - Dark Shadow | AMA #542907 | +-----------------------------+---------------+ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 16:57:25 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA13755; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:57:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA27230; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:57:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from citi.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA14578; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:57:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from johnston.citi.com ([207.226.79.175]) by citi.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA24621; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:56:45 -0500 Received: by johnston.citi.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BD1D1F.E17254C0@XXXXXX>; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:58:59 -0500 Message-ID: <01BD1D1F.E17254C0@johnston.citi.com> From: Robert Johnston To: "'Chris Norloff'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Unrelated rant for the day...Re: Rude Cagers Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:58:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Chris, I didn't mean the original post as a defense of the Mutual Armed = Destruction Theory however: In this situation, which happened in Indiana, Pennsylvania, I used a = measured response to this person. He was behaving in a manner which any = rational person would have read as threatening towards me and my = property. There was no real exit form the situation for me which did = not leave my property in jeopardy. In the great sate of PA., the law = allows the use of non-lethal force to protect ones property from = criminal vandalism, which is damage in excess of $500.00. (It don't take = a lot of damage on my jeep to exceed 5 bills). =20 However the effects on the target of the pepper spray was significantly = less than I would want in a true life threatening situation. The guy = immediately stopped approaching me, clasped his hands to his face, was = unable to see clearly, and could not talk. However it didn't keep him = from staggering back to his car. By the time he had recovered, several = minutes, I had departed the area. My definition of immediate immobilization is instantaneously being = dropped to the ground and unable to move. In response to your John Wayne imitation: Never draw a firearm unless you intend to use it. Never intend to use a = firearm unless there is no alternative. Never shot at something unless = you mean to hit it. Never shot a person unless you mean to kill them; = i.e.=20 if I draw a gun, I will shot it. If I shot a gun, I will hit what I am = aiming at. If I'm shooting at an animal, I will kill it. If you have any hesitation in this equation, then you should not have = draw the weapon in the first place. -----Original Message----- From: Chris Norloff [SMTP:cnorloff@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, January 09, 1998 3:06 PM To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' Subject: Re: Unrelated rant for the day...Re: Rude Cagers At 02:10 PM 1/9/98 -0500, Robert W. Johnston wrote: >Now having pepper sprayed someone, I will say that it is not the >'immediate immobilization' that the non-lethal force proponents claim. >The guy did go away, but to those of you looking to a product like this >for personal protection, as opposed to pest repellent, my advise is to >move to Virginia and get a concealed carry permit. Nothing says No as >loud as a Colt. > >Just another lunatic out for a thrill, So you pull your Colt, and he pulls his 14-shot 9mm, and you pull your sawed-off, and he pulls his MAC-10, ... I just think this is a rapidly escalating, rapidly degenerating = situation. Remember the two dueling drivers on the GW Parkway? One died and two innocents died? The dead driver was a known aggressive driver with multiple reckless tickets; his girlfriend said he took out his = aggressions on the road. The surviving driver is in jail for about 10 years now, in the past he'd been charged with beating his wife, and he was illegally carrying a gun in his car when he wrecked. Do you really want to go up against nuts like this? Not me, life is too important to waste it on people like this. Chris Norloff P.S. The day I pulled out my 357 Magnum as a crazy raced up behind me in his car was the day I decided I want no part of trying to John Wayne it through life. Life is real, John Wayne wasn't. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 17:12:47 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA13989; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 17:12:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA27545; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 17:12:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp3.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA14910; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 17:12:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from squeakers.erols.com (frd-as2s30.erols.com [207.172.110.93]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA20990; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 17:14:28 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199801092214.RAA20990@smtp3.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. To: Robert Johnston Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 17:11:36 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: RE: Unrelated rant for the day...Re: Rude Cagers Reply-to: squeakers@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Priority: normal In-reply-to: <01BD1D1F.E17254C0@johnston.citi.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) > However the effects on the target of the pepper spray was >significantly less than I would want in a true life >threatening situation. The guy immediately stopped >approaching me, clasped his hands to > Im not too thrilled to hear about this. When I dont carry my .38, I DO carry my little cannister of 10% pepper foam. Now Im seeing that its NOT as wonderful as its supposed to be. Im wondering if its because it was the spray kind, as opposed to the foam. I even carry it on my bike for in case a large dog decides that me and my bike would be fun to play with. Now I dont even know if it will work on a DOG. Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 17:18:34 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA14082; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 17:18:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA27603; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 17:18:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA15049; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 17:18:16 -0500 (EST) From: WantA ZX6 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 17:16:27 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: wheelies Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) All this clutch talk....do y'all really need clutches to wheelie? The TL just pops up with a good crack of the throttle in 1st gear. Jack PS-see yall tomorrow!! I live about 2 miles from the Rite Aid on Rt1...hehehe From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 17:22:02 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA14152; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 17:22:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA27641; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 17:21:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA15107; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 17:21:52 -0500 (EST) From: WantA ZX6 Message-ID: <966e8be7.34b6a254@aol.com> Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 17:18:58 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Going riding Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) In a message dated 98-01-09 13:32:41 EST, you write: << Oh, sure, tease all of us stuck in our climate-controlled no-windows-that-open offices. -- John Whiteside >> Speaking of rubbing it in! At least you HAVE windows!!! Jack (stuck somewhere in the basement of the Pentagon) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 18:24:52 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA15052; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 18:24:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA29200; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 18:24:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp3.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA16542; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 18:24:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (spg-tnt6s191.erols.com [207.172.36.191]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA16587; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 18:26:22 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <34B6B549.AC81AAC2@geocities.com> Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 18:39:53 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jinn Sinn CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Rude Cagers References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Normally if I can avoid them in general I do and just chalk up another idiotic move to BDC's....But if they're getting close and the 132db horn does not dissuade them, I've been known on numerous occasions (yeah I go into the district daily) to plant a size 10 steel toed/shanked boot hard into the nearest body panel....(then I head for the nearest escape path and put some distance between me and them to avoid the aforementioned psychopaths)... And yes, nothing makes a statement like a COLT!!!! Collin Jinn Sinn wrote: > ok...this morning, riding to work on the parkway (Rock Creek) the lanes are > merging cause some idiot is blocking traffic in one lane. I'm in the left > lane, car in the right lane and slightly BEHIND me (so she DEFINATELY SAW > ME)......pulls about 3/4 of the way into my lane forcing me to go left into > the left-turn lane where fortunately there were no other cars....her window > was down, my visor was up and I yelled "Hey!" (wellll......I couldn't think of > anything else on the spur of the moment and my horn doesn't work....) her > response was to shrug and proceed to take up the remaining 1/4 of the > lane...........argh! > > marcy -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 19:11:21 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA15774; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 19:11:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA29446; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 19:11:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from iconmail.bellatlantic.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA17528; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 19:11:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from my-workstation (client196-127-115.bellatlantic.net [151.196.127.115]) by iconmail.bellatlantic.net (IConNet Sendmail) with SMTP id TAA13490 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 19:11:05 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980109190327.00c23138@postoffice.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: true911@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 19:03:27 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mark E. Truelove" Subject: need info on Sat. ride Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Okay, I know there's a coupla rides going on this weekend, but I haven't sorted through the discussions -- where and when tomorrow? Also, please remember that I'm coming from Baltimore -- I can get to general areas around DC, but I don't often know specific landmarks. Thanks! MET ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark E. Truelove (true@XXXXXX) http://www.clark.net/pub/pooh/ Polaris Technology Group http://www.angelfire.com/biz/polaristech/ Placement Specialists: SAP PeopleSoft Notes Fiber-Optics NT UNIX DBs ======================================================================= From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 19:11:23 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA15780; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 19:11:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA29450; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 19:11:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp3.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA17532; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 19:11:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (spg-tnt6s191.erols.com [207.172.36.191]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA27546 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 19:13:23 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <34B6C09C.E529F6D2@geocities.com> Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 19:28:12 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Wheelie theories!! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What's a wheelie??? he he he... In all fairness Brian, I rarely do clutch wheelies with the current geering on my 500+ pound front end heavy gixer... When it was stock geared, I couldn't get it to do a throttle blip wheelie for the life of me...A good one required a moderate amount of speed (30-40mph) clutch it, rev to 10k or so then dump it and hang on...Just as it starts to come down, quickly click into 2nd...then 3rd... I could usually keep it up through about 70 or so and for a good long ways followed by a smooth front setdown. I had a lot of dirt riding experience when I was young, so wheelies are second nature now!! I think to avoid your spinning problem Brian you need to get a little more speed up first...My rear is the same if I'm going too slow...Also when going slower, when the tire does bite you run the risk of going a little too far vertical (had some clenchers till I figured it out) Now that I've re-geared the bike, throttle blips occur just as you described them. However, each gear is significantly shorter now and much more difficult to maintain a nice long wheelie.... If ya'll wanna see a wheelie pic, just take a look at my website...There's a good one of me and another one of Doug Cramer (not on list) out at our secret stomping grounds (ok, not so secret anymore)..... Collin -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 19:14:37 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA15814; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 19:14:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA29478; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 19:14:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA17577; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 19:14:30 -0500 (EST) From: WantA ZX6 Message-ID: <5bfab4a9.34b6bcc1@aol.com> Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 19:11:44 EST To: suzuki-l@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Synthetics...once more time..sorry Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) FYI, the other night I switched to Mobil1 15W-50..full change including filter. Damn that drain plug was a bitch to get out! Anyway...I havent noticed much change (had to adjust the idle) but someone told me that I had to use motorcycle oil for my bike otherwise it would foam. Does Mobil1 come in bike formula or is the regular version acceptable? I swear this is the last time I will say the word "oil". Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 19:24:02 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA15905; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 19:24:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA29593; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 19:23:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp3.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA17723; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 19:23:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (spg-tnt6s191.erols.com [207.172.36.191]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA00525 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 19:25:59 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <34B6C3A6.9243780C@geocities.com> Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 19:41:10 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: pepper spray and other weapons Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hmm.....You must not be using the GOOD stuff... I've been sprayed twice (to be allowed to carry it during boardings, you have to have been sprayed) and it is not pleasant. I don't think any pepper spray is going to immobilize someone to the point of not moving; however, good stuff will bring you to your knees and you will be incapable of doing anything other than moaning in pain trying to get the stuff outa your eyes... Both types that I've met are comercially available, so if anyones interested I can look up the info on em... Speaking of concealed permits, thanks, I just noticed mine is due for renewal at the end of September this year... Next time any of ya'll are on a ride with me, ask to see my "mag light"...or so it appears at first glance....It's actually an ASP baton.... Collapsed it is about the size and shape of a mini mag light...With the flip of your wrist, it expands to a roughly 2' long steel rod with a ball tip....They are available on the open market relatively cheap. However, in a lot of states, they are subject to the same concealment laws as guns. Stun guns are another great option for personal defense. Gawd, those things hurt like hell....And the receiver WILL NOT be causing you any more problems...However, they require you to get a little closer to the bad guy (or girl..no discrimination here :) They are legal in most states, but there are a few of them that the Democratic pukes have invaded their will upon. (I'm sure I'll pay for that one...OFF LIST though please!!! 96 msgs today was a whopper) My all time favorite vehicle weapon, though, that is perfectly legal in all 50 states is a 6 cell mag light!!! You can whack the heck outa someone with one of those...and if ever asked why you have it by johhny law: So I can see to change a tire...(Baseball bats are illegal in many states..unless you're dressed for softball and have other gear with it!!) Ok, someone kick me...Two days in a row with long meaningless non-moto posts....at least this one isn't as geeky as the one yesterday!! Collin (wishing he could ride this weekend) -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 19:26:19 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA15926; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 19:26:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA29627; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 19:26:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA17765; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 19:26:02 -0500 (EST) From: WantA ZX6 Message-ID: <16ffb4a4.34b6bffe@aol.com> Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 19:25:33 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Weekend rides Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Just trying to get it straight: Saturday ride is from the Rite Aid on Rt1 (within spitting distance of my home) leaving at 11:30. Sunday ride is from Gaithersburg. Leaving at 12:45. These are correct, correct? Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 19:44:27 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA16113; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 19:44:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA29881; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 19:44:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from oak.eainet.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA18041; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 19:44:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from oak.eainet.com (oak.eainet.com [206.136.246.2]) by oak.eainet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA31440; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 19:44:16 -0500 Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 19:44:15 -0500 (EST) From: Peter Hartzler Reply-To: Peter Hartzler To: "Mark E. Truelove" cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: need info on Sat. ride In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980109190327.00c23138@postoffice.bellatlantic.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Mark -- Here is the info I have. Note that some have pointed out other ways to get to the start that might be better -- consult a map if you're unsure... Pete. DC-Cycles rides: ------------------------------------------------------------ Saturday January 10: Leader: "Louis F. Caplan" When: 11:30 AM Sharp. (People have later obligations, so the ride must not start later.) Where: Rite Aid across the street from the Beacon Hill Mall. From the beltway, take exit 1, Rt. 1 SOUTH. The Rite Aid is on your left at a traffic light (Beacon Hill Rd). Route: PARR Polar Bear route Jan 1 1996. It ends at the interchange of Rt. 123 and I 95 (by Occoquan). ------------------------------------------------------------ Sunday January 11: Leader: Stephen Harris When: "leave smartly at 12:45" Where: "Take I-270 to exit 9A which is for I-370 / Sam Eig Hwy. Exit, staying towards the right which will take you to I-370. In about a mile you'll exit off I-370 onto 355 North / Towards Gaithersburg Town Center. The exit ramp dumps you out on 355 north so its impossible to screw up. At the second traffic light (about one mile) take a right onto East Deer Park Rd. Take your second left (about 300 yards) onto Woodland Rd. My house is number 112, about a half mile down the road and after a stop sign. My home number is 301 990 6408 if you get lost for some reason." Route: "I will pick a route of my favorites, travel them in a sedate fashion, and whomever wishes to follow may. Be advise, I do all my racing on the track, so you will not find me exceeding the posted by more that 20% or so." ------------------------------------------------------------ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 20:35:45 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA16618; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 20:35:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA02853; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 20:35:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA18883; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 20:35:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from default ([12.68.78.91]) by mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA8204; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 01:34:35 +0000 Reply-To: "kevin thomas" From: "kevin thomas" To: "Meier, Christopher" , "'dc-cycles'" Subject: Re: Well, Raise 'em some more then ... Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 20:31:23 -0500 Message-ID: <01bd1d67$767bbe20$5b4e440c@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Chris-- See the Feb Car and Driver, which I just got today in the mail. Small changes in the death toll or death rate over a short time are relatively meaningless. For instance, Connecticut's death rate per hundred million miles from 1990 to 1997 are .04, .08, .07, .04, .03, .05, .04. That's without ever changing the speed limit. From one year to the next, the death rate doubled. Two years later, it halved. This is from Bedard's column on p24. It's quite interesting. 1996 was the first full year of state-controlled speed limits. Total deaths went up 90 over 1995. Death rates varied all over the map; some states rised limits, killed fewer, others left the limit alone, killed more, others were opposite. Anyway, worth reading the whole thing. Later Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 21:04:23 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA16813; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 21:04:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA03122; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 21:03:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA19210; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 21:03:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from default ([12.68.78.91]) by mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA27202; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 02:03:14 +0000 Reply-To: "kevin thomas" From: "kevin thomas" To: "Robert W. Johnston" , "Whiteside, John" Cc: Subject: Re: Unrelated rant for the day...Re: Rude Cagers Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 20:59:57 -0500 Message-ID: <01bd1d6b$7413c200$5b4e440c@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Robert-- Y'know, carrying that mace is just as illegal as me carrying my Glock. Yup, a concealed weapon. Can't do it. Not that it stops me. Later Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 21:18:04 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA16914; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 21:18:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA03597; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 21:16:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA19356; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 21:16:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from default ([12.68.78.91]) by mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA5965 for ; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 02:16:23 +0000 Reply-To: "kevin thomas" From: "kevin thomas" To: "dc-cycles" Subject: drat, foiled again!! (saturday ride) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 21:13:11 -0500 Message-ID: <01bd1d6d$4d6753e0$5b4e440c@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0050_01BD1D43.64914BE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0050_01BD1D43.64914BE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dammit! Dammit!! Dammit!!!!!!!!!! My alternator seems to have died. Cycles USA doesn't open until 10am. = No way I can fix it in time to go!!! I guess it's the dreaded VFR alternator-itis. It's my second 30000 mile = VFR, and my first alternator failure. Had to bump start it at the gas = station today, so I knew I was in trouble. Charged it at my friend's = house, headed home. Got near home, decided to stop at another friend's = shop. A couple of miles away, sitting at a light, revved the engine = while watching my headlight reflected in the car ahead. Didn't get = brighter. Knew I was in _big_ trouble. Turning into the road the shop = is on, turn signal wouldn't go, headlight was barely visible, tach = started jumping. Good thing I was almost there. I left the bike in his = shop, carried my battery home. It won't last long enough to ride = without an alternator. Maybe next weekend...... (yeah, right, in the snow) Have fun Kevin =20 He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. ------=_NextPart_000_0050_01BD1D43.64914BE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dammit!  Dammit!! =20 Dammit!!!!!!!!!!
 
My alternator seems to have died.  Cycles USA = doesn't=20 open until 10am.  No way I can fix it in time to go!!!
 
I guess it's the dreaded VFR=20 alternator-itis.  It's my second 30000 mile VFR, and my first = alternator=20 failure.  Had to bump start it at the gas station today, so I knew = I was in=20 trouble.  Charged it at my friend's house, headed home.  Got = near=20 home, decided to stop at another friend's shop.  A couple of miles = away,=20 sitting at a light, revved the engine while watching my headlight = reflected in=20 the car ahead.  Didn't get brighter.  Knew I was in _big_=20 trouble.  Turning into the road the shop is on, turn signal = wouldn't go,=20 headlight was barely visible, tach started jumping.  Good thing I = was=20 almost there.  I left the bike in his shop, carried my battery = home. =20 It won't last long enough to ride without an alternator.
 
Maybe next weekend......
(yeah, right, in the snow) 
 
Have fun
Kevin 
 
He who says it cannot be done should = not=20 interrupt him who is doing it.
------=_NextPart_000_0050_01BD1D43.64914BE0-- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 21:20:05 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA16934; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 21:20:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA03627; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 21:19:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from zip1.ziplink.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA19403; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 21:19:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (holm@localhost) by zip1.ziplink.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id VAA25653 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 21:20:53 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 21:20:53 -0500 (EST) From: Julie Holm To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 01/09/98 In-Reply-To: <199801100000.TAA29354@tove.cs.umd.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Either Todd or Lewis said: > Though it sounds insignificant as protection, even a long sleeve > shirt is better than nothing at all. I crashed at around 25mph > with nothing more than a t-shirt and cotton jacket. The jacket > took all the abrasion in the shoulder and was un-wearable afterword. > > Just wondering what my shoulder would've looked like without the > little protection I had on... > > But your point is well taken. Protection is only good if it is > worn when you go down the tarmac. And, I'll admit it, on REALLY > hot days, I usually do remove the jacket....and pray! > I wear the jacket. Even on really hot days. Gotta, I have a safety weenie reputation to protect. That's why I got one with really good vents in it. AND: Christoper Meyerwrote: > > Interesting Article from Today's Washington Post Metro Section pg. B3 > > State Highway Deaths Hit 33-Year Low > > > However, the preliminary count may change by the time final fatality > figures are tabulated this month. > > The 1997 count follows a downward trend of recent years. The state's > highway death count peaked in 1968 with 872. In 1996, 615 people died. > > Mitchell said state police vigilantly pursued aggressive and reckless > drivers last year, issuing more than 144,000 aggressive driving > citations in the first 11 months of 1997. > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > Interesting news given that the speed limits were _raised_ in MD this > year. I would assume this drop to be due to safety improvements in > vehicles, not enforcement. Comments? > Yup, but they really did crack down on aggressive driving, the weavers through traffic, the really high speeders, the red light runners in MD, VA and DC this year. I read about it. Speed, by itself does not kill. You have to hit someone to have a problem. Look at the German Autobahn. They do not have many accidents, even with the speed, because folks drive in a sane manner, and following the rules of the road, passing only on the left, moving into the right when they are slower. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Julie Holm (ENTP)| DoD #1604 AMA#397939 UKMC# 0001 VOC# 4672 holm@XXXXXX | 1985 Virago 700 "Maureen" | I'm home at http://www.ziplink.net/~holm NGG Webmistress | Remember the PINK PAGES are always changing (Just and Armourer | like a Nasty Girlie's mind!) | NGG home page http://www.ziplink.net/~holm/ngg/ngg.html --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 22:37:54 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA17630; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 22:37:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA04981; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 22:37:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp2.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA20250; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 22:37:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from squeakers.erols.com (frd-as2s30.erols.com [207.172.110.93]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA29541; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 22:37:01 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199801100337.WAA29541@smtp2.erols.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Squeakers" Organization: Squeakers Madhouse Inc. To: klthomas@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 22:36:15 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Unrelated rant for the day...Re: Rude Cagers Reply-to: squeakers@XXXXXX CC: Priority: normal In-reply-to: <01bd1d6b$7413c200$5b4e440c@default> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) > Robert-- > > Y'know, carrying that mace is just as illegal as me carrying my Glock. Yup, > a concealed weapon. Can't do it. Not that it stops me. > > Later > Kevin > > WAIT a second!! I learned in my concealed weapons class that pepper spray IS legal to carry. Even in your pocket! WITHOUT a permit. Is this just in Virginia? Squeakers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 22:48:15 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA17687; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 22:48:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA05052; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 22:47:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA20352; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 22:47:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.100] (unverified [207.226.128.100]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Fri, 09 Jan 1998 22:52:46 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Chrome, wonderful chrome... Date: Fri, 9 Jan 98 22:47:35 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Adams, Bill" , "dc-cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >I want to restore some of the (poorly finished) parts (headlight bucket & >brackets specifically) whilst de-gutting the Old-wing. Thanks a ton. Strip it and powder coat it or paint it. I don't have time to polish that crap:) -George From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 22:48:16 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA17691; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 22:48:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA05048; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 22:47:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA20348; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 22:47:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.100] (unverified [207.226.128.100]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Fri, 09 Jan 1998 22:52:43 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Riding with a Passenger Date: Fri, 9 Jan 98 22:47:32 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Slawson, Kurt" , "dc-cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > Anyone out there have any advice on learning how to ride with a >passenger? I've been riding a very short time (i.e., less than a month; >I took the MSF course in late Nov.), and while my confidence has >increased with every ride, I'm far from being ready to take a passenger. >I'm just wondering about the experiences of other people in learning how >to ride with a passenger. I started with a passenger the same way I started solo: SLOW. On familiar roads. VERY short trips. After putting 2000 miles on the bike and on myself. By now, I've probably put on 50% of my miles two up. While the front end can get a bit wiggly, the rear brake will work quite well:) And do not, under any circumstances, forget to adjust your preload. ``` (o o) *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| *--------------------------oooO------------* |__||__| || || ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 22:48:16 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA17689; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 22:48:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA05060; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 22:47:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA20360; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 22:47:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.100] (unverified [207.226.128.100]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Fri, 09 Jan 1998 22:52:52 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Ride Sunday (?) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 98 22:47:40 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Leon Begeman" , "Gil M. Nissley" cc: "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Put me on the list with George and Jeannette. I like riding in the >rain, I like riding in the snow, I like riding in hail, but I prefer >riding when the weather is good. The other day, everybody said "You must love to be able to ride in January". I said "I was already riding in January. This weather is just the icing on the cake." Tomorrow, off to get my Belstaff pants at Coleman. Seems nobody bought them, so they're sending 'em back. Pity. They work quite well... ``` (o o) *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| *--------------------------oooO------------* |__||__| || || ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 22:48:16 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA17690; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 22:48:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA05055; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 22:47:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA20356; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 22:47:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.100] (unverified [207.226.128.100]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Fri, 09 Jan 1998 22:52:48 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Riding with a Passenger Date: Fri, 9 Jan 98 22:47:37 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Chris Norloff" , "dc-cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Ride around a big parking lot for a little while to see how comfortable the >passenger is, and how well they sit still. Forgot about this one. It is a big help. It also gives you a chance to practice signals for getting on, getting off, etc.... At first, my girlfriend couldn't stand the bike for more than ten minutes. Now she is ready for a trip to Key West in the Spring... -George From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 22:59:07 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA17782; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 22:59:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA05263; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 22:58:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from norway.it.earthlink.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA20497; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 22:58:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from [153.34.245.7] (1Cust7.tnt2.tco2.da.uu.net [153.34.245.7]) by norway.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA00787 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 19:58:18 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: level_5_ltd@XXXXXX Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <9801098843.AA884351194@smtplink.micros.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 23:00:21 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Alan Lapp Subject: Re: lost mail.. > clinic though... And mostly on the Nice coast (umm, that would NOT be > the east coast) > I thought Nice was in the south of France.... Al level_5_ltd@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 23:21:26 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA17936; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 23:21:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA05414; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 23:20:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA20753; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 23:20:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id XAA23051; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 23:20:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (nmta2.mcit.com [166.37.172.3]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id XAA32698; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 23:20:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.111.181]) by nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19980110042013.LMTR6587@[166.41.111.181]>; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 23:20:13 -0500 Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 23:11 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: Julie Holm CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 01/09/98 X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980110042013.LMTR6587@[166.41.111.181]> Julie Holm conveys: >Yup, but they really did crack down on aggressive driving, the weavers >through traffic, the really high speeders, the red light runners in MD, VA >and DC this year. I read about it. Speed, by itself does not kill. You >have to hit someone to have a problem. Look at the German Autobahn. They >do not have many accidents, even with the speed, because folks drive in a >sane manner, and following the rules of the road, passing only on the >left, moving into the right when they are slower. Ahh, reason. There is a lot I do not like about socialistic Germany, but they do recognize human nature, and their autobahns reflect it. God..Don't get me started! Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 23:24:12 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA17957; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 23:24:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA05430; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 23:23:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA20778; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 23:23:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id WAA18643 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 22:23:05 -0600 (CST) Received: from imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid01.mcit.com [166.37.221.13]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id WAA19116 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 22:23:04 -0600 (CST) Received: from LJTanner.mcit.com ([166.41.110.140]) by imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19980110042258.WKID215@XXXXXX> for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 22:22:58 -0600 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 21:22:53 -0500 Message-ID: <01BD1D44.BF113700.linda.tanner@mci.com> From: Linda Tanner To: "Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: FW: Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 21:22:52 -0500 Organization: MCI Telecommunications X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (sorry about the dups) I know why I got my bike and it didn't have anything to do with getting anyone to take off their clothes. Does your wife know about this? ;-) LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze or is this another code word? -----Original Message----- From: Harry G. Greenspun, M.D. [SMTP:hgg@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, January 09, 1998 4:17 PM To: O'Brien, Jeannette Cc: 'sbeck@XXXXXX'; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: At 03:59 PM 1/9/98 -0500, O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: >Right on!! Now that's what I would've done!! > >- Jeannette > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sbeck@XXXXXX [SMTP:sbeck@XXXXXX] >> I wonder if she would have complied if you told her to either put the >> jacket back on, or walk home. >> > This is really sad. Trying to get a date to put more clothes on. Have we forgotten why we got bikes in the first place?!? Harry Bethesda, MD '97 BMW R1100RT http://www.greenspun.com/harry/bikes.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 23:24:43 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA17964; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 23:24:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA05434; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 23:24:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA20788; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 23:24:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id WAA18689 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 22:23:34 -0600 (CST) Received: from imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid01.mcit.com [166.37.221.13]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id XAA05896 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 23:23:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from LJTanner.mcit.com ([166.41.110.140]) by imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19980110042332.WKIG215@XXXXXX> for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 22:23:32 -0600 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 21:23:24 -0500 Message-ID: <01BD1D44.D1BABDE0.linda.tanner@mci.com> From: Linda Tanner To: "Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: FW: Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 21:23:24 -0500 Organization: MCI Telecommunications X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (sorry about the dups) One of greatest fantasies is to hear the thoughts of some young stud as I blow by him (and his 'hot' car). I want him to know a middle aged woman on a very hot bike just blew his doors off. It would be very satisfying. LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze -----Original Message----- From: O'Brien, Jeannette [SMTP:jlobrien@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, January 09, 1998 4:16 PM To: 'Harry G. Greenspun, M.D.'; O'Brien, Jeannette Cc: 'sbeck@XXXXXX'; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Speaking of that, I find it rather amusing when I blow by a girl or group of girls on my bike and they turn & stare hungrily at me, not realizing I'm a GIRL on a bike, not some young hot biker stud!! - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Harry G. Greenspun, M.D. [SMTP:hgg@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, January 09, 1998 4:17 PM > To: O'Brien, Jeannette > Cc: 'sbeck@XXXXXX'; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: > > At 03:59 PM 1/9/98 -0500, O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: > >Right on!! Now that's what I would've done!! > > > >- Jeannette > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: sbeck@XXXXXX [SMTP:sbeck@XXXXXX] > >> I wonder if she would have complied if you told her to either put > the > >> jacket back on, or walk home. > >> > > > > This is really sad. Trying to get a date to put more clothes on. > Have we > forgotten why we got bikes in the first place?!? > > Harry > Bethesda, MD > '97 BMW R1100RT > http://www.greenspun.com/harry/bikes.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 23:26:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA17978; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 23:26:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA05461; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 23:25:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA20826; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 23:25:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id XAA23791; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 23:25:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid01.mcit.com [166.37.221.13]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id XAA23163; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 23:25:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.111.181]) by imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19980110042524.WKIM215@[166.41.111.181]>; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 22:25:24 -0600 Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 23:14 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: George Howell CC: "Adams, Bill" , "dc-cycles" Subject: Re: Chrome, wonderful chrome... X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980110042524.WKIM215@[166.41.111.181]> Which is why BMW can get away with single plate for chrome. Who has the time!? Oy! Todd >I want to restore some of the (poorly finished) parts (headlight bucket & >brackets specifically) whilst de-gutting the Old-wing. Thanks a ton. Strip it and powder coat it or paint it. I don't have time to polish that crap:) -George From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 23:45:45 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA18136; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 23:45:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA05636; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 23:45:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.clark.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA21059; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 23:44:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from explorer.clark.net (louis@XXXXXX [168.143.0.7]) by mail.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA28927 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 23:44:57 -0500 (EST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Received: (from louis@localhost) by explorer.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA25399 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 23:44:55 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199801100444.XAA25399@explorer.clark.net> Subject: RE: Riding with a passenger/safety gear To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 23:44:55 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24alpha3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I actually thought of that, but we were somewhere near the West Virginia line. And Kelly is the type of person who might have taken off and thumbed a ride or something. Call me a sucker, but since I took her out that far, I felt it was at least my responsibility to take her back. If I had to do it all over again, I would have asked the Road Captain where we were, and how to get back to someplace I knew from there. Then just ride home. At the time I didn't want to make a bigger scene. But I did learn, if I'm uncomfortable with the passenger, it's not going to be a good ride, so just end it. Louis > Right on!! Now that's what I would've done!! > > - Jeannette > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sbeck@XXXXXX [SMTP:sbeck@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Friday, January 09, 1998 2:57 PM > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: > > > After the ride, Kelly told me she didn't like the way I tried to push > > > her to wear her jacket and she didn't think she would ride with me > > > anymore. At that point that was fine with me. (had some other > > > problems > > > too) > > > > I wonder if she would have complied if you told her to either put the > > jacket back on, or walk home. > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 23:45:45 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA18137; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 23:45:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA05640; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 23:45:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA21065; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 23:45:00 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA08019; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 23:40:48 -0500 Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 23:29:13 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Riding with a Passenger To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <98Jan9.101401est.19594@GKCATL01.kilcody.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Lots of good advice has been posted so I'll just add two points. When you start riding passengers,pick people who are smaller than you,it makes it much easier to control the bike when you have the greater mass.I rode my dad on the back once;he was 220,I was 150. It got real tricky at low speed. Second,it helps if the bike you're using has a low center of gravity and a pillion that's not too high/rearward.My FT Ascot was easiy to ride passengers on,my CBR9 was not. Oh,and don't ride a passenger on the back of an S1. ;-) The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 23:56:00 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA18198; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 23:55:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA05738; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 23:55:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA21130; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 23:55:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (spg-tnt6s191.erols.com [207.172.36.191]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA02655; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 23:56:36 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <34B70515.467DBD40@geocities.com> Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 00:20:22 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: squeakers@XXXXXX CC: klthomas@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Unrelated rant for the day...Re: Rude Cagers References: <199801100337.WAA29541@smtp2.erols.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit No, Squekers, you are correct.... Pepper sprays are legal. There are a few of the sprays that the general public cannot attain due to the percentage of nerve gas added. (Mace started in the nerve gas area...once pepper sprays became popular, they've branched into this area as well) I haven't checked this state yet, but I've never been to one that required a concealed permit for any commercially available sprays....This primarily for the simple fact that they are not life threatening, and in general, are not harmful in any way (damn irratating, but no permanent harm...yeah, yeah, there may be the .001% that have an alergic reaction, but you could say that about most consumer products) I particularly like the keychain models...They are very handy for those late night poorly lit parking lots that just beg the bad guys to attack lone people... CT Squeakers wrote: > > Robert-- > > > > Y'know, carrying that mace is just as illegal as me carrying my Glock. Yup, > > a concealed weapon. Can't do it. Not that it stops me. > > > > Later > > Kevin > > > > > > WAIT a second!! I learned in my concealed weapons class > that pepper spray IS legal to carry. Even in your pocket! > WITHOUT a permit. Is this just in Virginia? > > Squeakers -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 23:57:56 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA18216; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 23:57:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA05759; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 23:57:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA21165; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 23:57:21 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA08126; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 23:53:10 -0500 Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 23:50:30 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Fun Fun! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <85256587.00659DB6.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 9 Jan 1998 sbeck@XXXXXX wrote: > Yes they were definitely secret codes. Here are some generic examples of > such codes. (snip) All right pal,you're busted! Turn in your ring and your tie-tack! And don't try to tell us she was from the Knights of Columbus. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 10 00:08:51 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA18788; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 00:08:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA06613; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 00:08:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA21315; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 00:08:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (spg-tnt6s191.erols.com [207.172.36.191]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA06071; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 00:09:24 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <34B7082B.A9188AF7@geocities.com> Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 00:33:32 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Todd Peer CC: Jinn Sinn , louis@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ride on Saturday References: <19980109162417.TJXL28757@[166.41.242.141]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ummm, I think she's talking 395, which you can get onto right near the Pentagon seeing as how I do it from 110 south every morning...or from the GW parkway If you're coming from the DC side Marcy, take the exit for National Airport...That's route 1.. However, Todd's alternate directions will probably be faster...Going all the way down route 1 will take you through crystal city and worse, Old Town....which I'm guessing is just as bad traffic wise on a Sat morning as any other time of day or night! The parkway will avoid all that congestion and zip you on down to where ya wanna go. Todd Peer wrote: > Well, first off you can't get on the beltway near the Pentagon. > > > Todd > > From: Jinn Sinn > Message-ID: > Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 00:57:58 EST > To: louis@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Ride on Saturday > Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) > > >From my house in DC I get on the beltway right about at the Pentagon (going > toward VA and National airport) ... am I going to miss the exit 1??? > > If i can find it....I'll be there..... > > In a message dated 98-01-08 18:21:15 EST, louis@XXXXXX writes: > > << What was the Dixie Pig is now a Rite Aid. It's across the street from > the Beacon Hill Mall. From the beltway, take exit 1, Rt. 1 SOUTH. > The Rite Aid is on your left at a traffic light (Beacon Hill Rd) > > I'll be in the parking lot about 11:00 am. >> -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 10 00:26:22 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA19052; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 00:26:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA07014; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 00:25:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA21444; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 00:25:41 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA08466; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 00:21:27 -0500 Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 00:17:06 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Sender: "Gil M. Nissley" Reply-To: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Wheelie Theories... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <9801098843.AA884368528@smtplink.micros.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Hey guys,if you're going to talk about wheelies don't you think it would be a good idea to mention the most important thing about doing a wheelie:*COVER THE REAR BRAKE*. Bringing the front end of a 400+lb street bike,at road speeds, w/out the rear brake is a good way to crash and/or screw up your front end. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 10 00:44:04 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA19204; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 00:44:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA07216; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 00:43:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from norway.it.earthlink.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA21648; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 00:43:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from [153.34.245.7] (1Cust98.tnt6.tco2.da.uu.net [153.37.3.98]) by norway.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA17817 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 21:43:21 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: level_5_ltd@XXXXXX Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <34B61CA2.486FE1F9@illuminet.net> References: <50aadd26.34b558b2@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 23:31:45 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Alan Lapp Subject: Re: Ride Sunday (?)..coast racing >Things that make it dangerous. >The rider: it was mentioned earlier that bikes with different amounts of >power take different lines through corners on races. This is a function >that the rider can control. This is no different than a race around any >track in the country except that acceleration due to engine power = 0. > >The above is an opinion. I don't have the facts either. That's OK Leon. I don't have any facts either, just observations of the physical world. One of the reasons a racer of a more powerful bike takes a diferent line (squared-off) is that the skilled riders can get the rear wheel spinning mid-corner so that the engine is in it's power peak as the bike is lifted out of the corner, resulting in better drive. Technically, the line is slower mid-corner, but the benefit in drive offsets the deficit in cornering speed. As far as coast racing, the bike with the least parasitic drag will win. Weight only comes into play when considering momentum, which is invoked by a *change* in speed i.e. acceleration. The bikes may have diferent rates of acceleration, but maximum velocity will be identical given identical drag characteristics. Al level_5_ltd@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 10 00:44:04 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA19205; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 00:44:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA07204; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 00:43:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from norway.it.earthlink.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA21644; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 00:43:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from [153.34.245.7] (1Cust98.tnt6.tco2.da.uu.net [153.37.3.98]) by norway.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA17802 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 21:43:18 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: level_5_ltd@XXXXXX Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D34F43A@badge.tuckerflyer.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 00:45:20 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Alan Lapp Subject: Tales of Horrible Death and Dismemberment >I always hear "I'd NEVER ride one of those." or "BE CAREFUL!!" (this >warning is usually said at least 3 times as I'm walking to my bike." >I've also heard MANY times from people who've NEVER ridden: "There's 2 >types of bikers, those who've gone down & those who will." AND!!?? SO >WHAT!!?? Should that keep me from my passion? > >- J A friend of mine invited The Family Unit to Summit for an unofficial 'Family Day' at the track. His Mom and Sis are cool: very helpful & pleasant, even taking lap times for us. His Dad, however, is a personal injury attorney, and I consider him a professional worrier. My bud bet me $10 that his Dad would tell me the 'Ball on the Handlebar' story within 10 minutes of meeting him. He won. Turns out that Dad represented a guy who lost a testicle durring an accident. The funny thing is that Dad couldn't even tell me what kind of gear his client was wearing when I asked. I'll bet the guy was wearing shorts and flip-flops. Anyway, Dad was completely freaked by the whole scene, and started spouting off about how dangerous motorcycles were, and how racing a motorcycle is insanity much like (and I quote) bungee jumping without the bungee. At this point, the diplomatic nerd in me kicked in, and I told him that the probablility of death in such a circumstance is absolutely 1, but the probability of death from a racing injury was closer to zero. I pointed out that there are thousands of racers participating in literally dozens of events every weekend all across the country, and there are only a small handful of deaths per year, statistically proving that racing is safer than horseback riding or skiing (a point proven recently). Logic didn't work. I had to walk away. The real drag is that he hung around our pit for quite a while spouting negative bullsh!t. Finally, my bud went off on him and told him that he was bumming everyone out. In retrospect, I should have told him that he was currently engaged in a terribly dangerous activity: he was *really* pissing me off! Al level_5_ltd@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 10 00:45:43 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA19237; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 00:45:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA07332; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 00:45:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from norway.it.earthlink.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA21662; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 00:45:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from [153.34.245.7] (1Cust98.tnt6.tco2.da.uu.net [153.37.3.98]) by norway.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA18491 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 21:44:59 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: level_5_ltd@XXXXXX Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <98Jan9.101401est.19594@GKCATL01.kilcody.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 00:47:01 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Alan Lapp Subject: Re: Riding with a Passenger > Anyone out there have any advice on learning how to ride with a >passenger? I've been riding a very short time (i.e., less than a month; >I took the MSF course in late Nov.), and while my confidence has >increased with every ride, I'm far from being ready to take a passenger. >I'm just wondering about the experiences of other people in learning how >to ride with a passenger. I've always found that with a *good* passenger, you don't even know they are there. There are 3 things I tell every new passenger on my bike: 1: Feet never leave the pegs until the motor is off. 2: If you feel insecure on the bike, squeeze with your legs. 3: Always Always Always look over my inside shoulder, which means if I'm turning right, look over my right shoulder. Number 2 has the added benefit of giving you, the rider, some feedback about the passengers comfort level. Obligatory horror stories: A punk friend of mine needed a ride to pick up his car. He thought it would be funny to put his foot down in the middle of a corner, like he did on his dirt bike. Stood us up, and headed us directly towards a ditch. I restrained myself from smacking him silly. The ubiquitous 'Wrong Way' passenger: they lean out of the turn, causing the bike to stand up, so I have to lean over harder, so they lean up further, I lean harder, ad infinitum until I have a talk with them and reiterate point #3. The interesting thing is that if they use point #2, they *can't* get too far off balance. If your passenger (or you as a rider) is having trouble leaning, suggest that they tip their head so it stays even with the horizon at all times: this really promotes a sense of composure while leaning. Al level_5_ltd@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 10 00:48:38 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA19257; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 00:48:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA07855; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 00:47:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA21688; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 00:47:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA08542; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 00:43:35 -0500 Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 00:41:22 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: RE: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D37EB8A@badge.tuckerflyer.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 9 Jan 1998, O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: > Speaking of that, I find it rather amusing when I blow by a girl or > group of girls on my bike and they turn & stare hungrily at me, not > realizing I'm a GIRL on a bike, not some young hot biker stud!! Maybe your jacket needs some more padding.Ever hear of the Miracle Jacket? ;-} The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 10 00:53:50 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA19315; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 00:53:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA08833; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 00:53:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from norway.it.earthlink.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA21731; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 00:53:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from [153.34.245.7] (1Cust98.tnt6.tco2.da.uu.net [153.37.3.98]) by norway.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA21854 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 21:53:04 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: level_5_ltd@XXXXXX Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <9801098843.AA884368528@smtplink.micros.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 00:52:47 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Alan Lapp Subject: Re: Wheelie Theories... > air theory (al-la Collin.. kidding :) when you start the bike rolling, > grab the clutch, go WFO on the throttle and drop the clutch. Not my > personal favorite - I did this on a dirt bike - I'm glad grass is > soft, and the bike was light - I was on my back in seconds. Trust me, the same thing can and will happen on a street bike. My suggestion is that you start at a moderate RPM (like 4000) and train yourself to hold the throttle open until the bike quits accelerating. When you're comfortable with that RPM, increase it by 500 and repeat as necessary. The > second is more technique - in this case you ride to about 7k, chop the > throttle off and back on as the front springs rebound while pulling up > on the handlebars - the wheelies are less sudden, and generally easier > to control. You can also slip the clutch a bit to get the engine spinning faster. Tough on the ole' clutch tho. The faster the bike is rolling, the more HP required, but it's less intimidating. > > Maybe the best learning tool would be a thumper - tons-o-torque and > light (usually) to boot..... Smaller thumper dirt bikes such as XT/XL/XR 350 rock for learning to wheelie. Plus, they're more durable, and cheaper to repair. Also, dirt bikes have a higher center of gravity, making them inherently easier to wheelie. THE BIG TIP ABOUT LEARNING TO DO WHEELIES: Always cover the rear brake! This is the ***only*** way to save it if you start to go over backwards. Al level_5_ltd@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 10 01:01:34 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA19450; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 01:01:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA09546; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 01:01:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA21843; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 01:00:58 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA08607; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 00:56:46 -0500 Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 00:44:25 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Unrelated rant for the day...Re: Rude Cagers To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <34B695BE.32EE9424@mci.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 9 Jan 1998, Dale Horstman wrote: > Right, why waste the time to bother with them? See, I *know* I > could kick their asses if I wanted to, so therefore I don't *have* to. Very good,Grasshopper.A true master knows when to use force. Seriously,I've heard/seen some real wackos around here.I wouldn't want to mess with anyone without a SWAT team for backup.A friend of mine called the cops once on his CB radio when he saw a biker getting chased by a pickup on the beltway.It's bad enough dancing with cages, I don't want to play bumper tag. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 10 01:05:29 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA19493; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 01:05:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA09659; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 01:04:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA21898; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 01:04:51 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id BAA08813; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 01:00:39 -0500 Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 00:58:42 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: FW: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <01BD1D44.BF113700.linda.tanner@mci.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 9 Jan 1998, Linda Tanner wrote: > I know why I got my bike and it didn't have anything to do with > getting anyone to take off their clothes. Does your wife know about this? Maybe that's how he got his wife. ;-) The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 10 01:14:06 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA19556; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 01:14:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA09748; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 01:13:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA21972; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 01:13:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.131] (unverified [207.226.128.131]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 01:18:35 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Wheelies Date: Sat, 10 Jan 98 01:13:23 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > It is grossly irresponsible, intimidating to cagers, and tons of fun. >You can practice it on a wet road. Good clutch and throttle control are >key, as is extra downward pressure on the bars. An unlimited tire and >maintenance budget helps, too. Hey, the tire on my 850 is due for replacement as soon as I get the dosh... Maybe when I get home from the ride Sunday.... (BTW, anybody have recommendations for a sport touring tire for the BMW? Size eludes me right now...) ``` (o o) *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| *--------------------------oooO------------* |__||__| || || ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 10 01:14:07 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA19557; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 01:14:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA09744; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 01:13:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA21967; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 01:13:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.131] (unverified [207.226.128.131]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 01:18:32 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: RE: Fun Fun! Date: Sat, 10 Jan 98 01:13:20 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" cc: "\"'dc-cycles'\" " Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Uh oh, we have another flirt on the list!! Send email to aorlando@XXXXXX and thank her for preventing another flirt from popping up;) (A redhead who loves bikes. God does indeed have a sense of humor when it comes to me...) ``` (o o) *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| *--------------------------oooO------------* |__||__| || || ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 10 01:14:31 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA19573; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 01:14:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA09812; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 01:13:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA21987; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 01:13:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from default ([12.68.76.191]) by mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA18249; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 06:13:20 +0000 Reply-To: "kevin thomas" From: "kevin thomas" To: Cc: Subject: Re: Unrelated rant for the day...Re: Rude Cagers Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 01:10:00 -0500 Message-ID: <01bd1d8e$639c6f80$bf4c440c@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Well, maybe that was just in NC. I dunno, I just figure if I'd want to do it, it must be illegal, whatever it is.......... Later Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 10 01:24:01 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA19700; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 01:24:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA10286; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 01:23:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailsorter-105.bryant.webtv.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA22087; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 01:23:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailtod-141.iap.bryant.webtv.net (mailtod-141.iap.bryant.webtv.net [207.79.35.128]) by mailsorter-105.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.5/ms.gso.08Dec97) with ESMTP id WAA07436; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 22:19:04 -0800 (PST) Received: (from production@localhost) by mailtod-141.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.5/mt.gso.08Dec97) id WAA07140; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 22:19:04 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199801100619.WAA07140@mailtod-141.iap.bryant.webtv.net> From: RichDe@XXXXXX (Rich DeYoung) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 00:19:04 -0600 To: Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX (Todd Peer) Cc: Loupil@XXXXXX ('Loupil'), philipa@XXXXXX (Akers, Philip), allmine@XXXXXX (allmine), anniem@XXXXXX (annie mundy), Audrey.Wiegard@XXXXXX (Audrey.Wiegard), baldwin2@XXXXXX (baldwin2), baldwin2@XXXXXX (baldwin2), saturnsr1@XXXXXX (baretta), bartp@XXXXXX (bartp), remenick@XXXXXX (Berri Reminick), BikerSid@XXXXXX (BikerSid), syswsb@XXXXXX ('bill in richmond'), billsch@XXXXXX (Bill Schmidt), bill.maggs@XXXXXX (bill.maggs), blase.morgan@XXXXXX, bmonaco@XXXXXX (bmonaco), tobias@XXXXXX (Bob Tobias), bmccoy@XXXXXX (Brian Mccoy), bruce_hardy@XXXXXX (bruce_hardy), bdouglas@XXXXXX ('Bryan T. 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Douglas), pwwisnes@XXXXXX (Paul W. Wisneskey), pdenno@XXXXXX (pdenno), Pcoleman@XXXXXX (Perry D. Coleman), penneyps@XXXXXX (peter soukup), PRogers.dit@XXXXXX (PRogers.dit), 74537.1737@XXXXXX (Randy Chartier), Randy.Chartier@XXXXXX, remenick@XXXXXX (remenick), RFRAER@XXXXXX, darden@XXXXXX (Robert M Darden), robertst@XXXXXX (robertst), r_k_dow@XXXXXX (r_k_dow), spak@XXXXXX (sae pak), Sandra.Gladysz@XXXXXX (Sandra.Gladysz), scotje@XXXXXX (scotje), slarrab@XXXXXX, SRFox@XXXXXX (SRFox), steeleg@XXXXXX (Steele Gordon), askstephen@XXXXXX (Stephan Lee), 103126.2533@XXXXXX (STEPHEN R. LOHMAN), sbeck@XXXXXX (sbeck@XXXXXX), steveb@XXXXXX (steveb), STEVE_JOHNSON@XXXXXX (STEVE_JOHNSON), tbgliz@XXXXXX (tbgliz), tbgrogha@XXXXXX (tbgrogha), terpstra@XXXXXX (terpstra), higdont@XXXXXX (Higdon, SFC Thomas), botcher@XXXXXX (tod r. botcher), Tracy-Minter@XXXXXX (Tracy Minter), venture.royale@XXXXXX (venture.royale), VZO1@XXXXXX (Osidach, Vera Z.), vzo1@XXXXXX (vzo1), wrohara@XXXXXX (w.r. ohara), wef@XXXXXX (wef), wjm1@XXXXXX (McLoone, William J.), dc-cycles@XXXXXX (dc-cycles) Subject: Re: HSTA STAR98 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Greetings from Oklahoma. If you guys/gals want, you could park the truck at our place in Choctaw, just east of Oklahoma City, camp out in our back yard, and then make the push to Taos, I might even be able to go with.... Rich D RichDe@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 10 01:25:43 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA19716; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 01:25:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA10348; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 01:25:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA22119; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 01:25:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.131] (unverified [207.226.128.131]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 01:30:20 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Re: RE: Fun Fun! Date: Sat, 10 Jan 98 01:25:09 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "MotorLE" , , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >I "accidently" learned to wheelie on my 450 pound BMW. BMWs are girls bikes, >aren't they? Bite your tongue!! Harry and I might object to that statement. Beemer's are old, stodgy men's bikes. Everybody knows that (and they also apply to people susceptible to leg cramps, overweight, hate lubing chains, like twins, hate cleaning chrome, etc, etc, etc, etc....) What kinda Beemer? ``` (o o) *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| *--------------------------oooO------------* |__||__| || || ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 10 01:25:43 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA19717; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 01:25:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA10352; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 01:25:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA22123; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 01:25:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.131] (unverified [207.226.128.131]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 01:30:22 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Rude Cagers Date: Sat, 10 Jan 98 01:25:11 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Jinn Sinn" cc: "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" I almost got hit twice today, and I was in a CAGE!! Were it not for time on the bike, I probably wouldn't have even noticed until it was too late... -George From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 10 01:25:45 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA19724; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 01:25:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA10356; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 01:25:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA22127; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 01:25:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.131] (unverified [207.226.128.131]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 01:30:24 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: RE: Going riding Date: Sat, 10 Jan 98 01:25:12 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Viteri, Ursulina" , "'Harry G. Greenspun, M.D.'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Harry must be a specialist. We all know PCP's have to work on Fridays:) >Geez, do you have to rub it in?! : - ) > >Ursulina Viteri >202-416-6534 * Fax 202-223-9095 >AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. - Washington, DC > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Harry G. Greenspun, M.D. [SMTP:hgg@XXXXXX] >>Sent: Friday, January 09, 1998 9:23 AM >>To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >>Subject: Going riding >> >>Well, >> It's 60 degrees and sunny right now, so I'm hitting the road soon. >>Anybody else going out in the next hour? >> >> >>Harry >>Bethesda, MD >>'97 BMW R1100RT >>http://www.greenspun.com/harry/bikes.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 10 01:27:55 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA19752; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 01:27:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA10393; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 01:27:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA22150; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 01:27:19 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id BAA08926; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 01:23:07 -0500 Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 01:08:48 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Unrelated rant for the day...Re: Rude Cagers To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <34B70515.467DBD40@geocities.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 10 Jan 1998, Collin T. Fagan wrote: > I particularly like the keychain models...They are very handy for those late night > poorly lit parking lots that just beg the bad guys to attack lone people... The one I carry is pretty cool.It's about the size of two D cells put together and has a fire extinguisher-type valve that sprays a cloud 10 ft.It also has a bright red dye and a second dye that lasts for 48hrs and shows up under blacklight. I bought it from US Cavalry.There's also a shop on Columbia Pike (in the same shopping center as Boston Market) that carries police and self defence stuff. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 10 01:54:25 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA19993; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 01:54:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA10735; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 01:53:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA22383; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 01:53:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.142] (unverified [207.226.128.142]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 01:58:56 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: FW: Date: Sat, 10 Jan 98 01:53:45 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Linda Tanner" , "Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >One of greatest fantasies is to hear the thoughts of some young stud as I >blow by him (and his 'hot' car). I want him to know a middle aged woman on >a very hot bike just blew his doors off. After my brother and I started riding, we don't even bother trying to accelerate hard in a cage. Doesn't make sense. Two days ago, I walked a slightly modified (exhaust, maybe a chip, no nitrous or compressor) in my stodgy, old dude's BMW. It's not even a challenge anymore. When Road and Track needs to field a $70,000 car to 'beat' a $9000 bike, it really makes you wonder how the playing field is stacked. ``` (o o) *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| *--------------------------oooO------------* |__||__| || || ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 10 01:54:31 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA19998; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 01:54:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA10731; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 01:53:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA22379; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 01:53:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.142] (unverified [207.226.128.142]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 01:58:52 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: pepper spray and other weapons Date: Sat, 10 Jan 98 01:53:40 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Collin T. Fagan" , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >My all time favorite vehicle weapon, though, that is perfectly legal in >all 50 states is a 6 cell mag light!!! My brother carried one of these until I pointed out that he already had a tire iron in the trunk. Not as heavy, but you can get a much faster swing on it (kinda like a corked bat) And NO questions asked. -George From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 10 02:27:43 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA20267; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 02:27:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA10936; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 02:27:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp3.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA22702; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 02:27:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (spg-tnt6s191.erols.com [207.172.36.191]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA16333; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 02:29:18 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <34B729A8.AA60AAF5@geocities.com> Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 02:56:25 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: George Howell CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: pepper spray and other weapons References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit yes, those are good too; however, they don't do much for you in the trunk...Believe it or not, there are a few documented cases of cops giving harrasment for having tire irons up front!! I'm sure a decent lawyer could get a person out of it, but it's still a pain... A flashlight up front is more justifiable (especially if ya have a dome light that's as worthless a the one in my truck....it's at the back of the extended cab...makes for nice shadows in the front seat..) CT George Howell wrote: > >My all time favorite vehicle weapon, though, that is perfectly legal in > >all 50 states is a 6 cell mag light!!! > > My brother carried one of these until I pointed out that he already had a > tire iron in the trunk. Not as heavy, but you can get a much faster swing > on it (kinda like a corked bat) > > And NO questions asked. > > -George -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 10 02:28:00 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA20274; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 02:27:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA10940; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 02:27:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA22709; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 02:27:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id BAA05346 for ; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 01:26:54 -0600 (CST) Received: from nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (nmta2.mcit.com [166.37.172.3]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id CAA27891 for ; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 02:26:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.111.34]) by nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19980110072652.LUCI6587@[166.41.111.34]>; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 02:26:52 -0500 Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 02:07 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: Linda Tanner CC: "Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: Re: FW: X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980110072652.LUCI6587@[166.41.111.34]> One of greatest fantasies is to hear the thoughts of some young stud as I blow by him (and his 'hot' car). I want him to know a middle aged woman on a very hot bike just blew his doors off. It would be very satisfying. LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze How much of the Vino have you been nosing in?? Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 10 02:28:05 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA20279; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 02:28:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA10944; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 02:27:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA22712; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 02:27:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id CAA10985; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 02:27:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (nmta2.mcit.com [166.37.172.3]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id CAA22753; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 02:27:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.111.34]) by nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19980110072659.LUCM6587@[166.41.111.34]>; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 02:26:59 -0500 Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 02:17 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: George Howell CC: "MotorLE" , , "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: Re: RE: Fun Fun! X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980110072659.LUCM6587@[166.41.111.34]> I just thought they were yuppie bikes :P T >I "accidently" learned to wheelie on my 450 pound BMW. BMWs are girls bikes, >aren't they? Bite your tongue!! Harry and I might object to that statement. Beemer's are old, stodgy men's bikes. Everybody knows that (and they also apply to people susceptible to leg cramps, overweight, hate lubing chains, like twins, hate cleaning chrome, etc, etc, etc, etc....) What kinda Beemer? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 10 02:42:00 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA20494; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 02:42:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA11092; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 02:41:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA22986; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 02:41:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id CAA09263; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 02:37:04 -0500 Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 02:35:07 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Bad Time To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hey guys, No wonder there's so many damn posts on this list.You guys stay up all night geeking away on your computers. I have to be up.I'm at work. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 10 02:47:05 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA20516; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 02:47:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA11122; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 02:46:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA23008; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 02:46:30 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id CAA09289; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 02:42:19 -0500 Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 02:37:15 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Riding with a Passenger To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <34B651C8.AEB8FA5F@mci.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 9 Jan 1998, Dale Horstman wrote: > I just wanted to solicit opinions on this device for a younger > passenger. What do you folks think? > Usual disclaimers apply: I don't work for them, etc. etc. > http://www.hpmkt.com/ > PS: I was intrigued enough to order one. I'll subject my > 7 year old daughter to it and let you all know how it turns out. I've seen a couple reviews on this in the moto mags.They all liked it.They especially liked the fact that if the child fell asleep while riding,the belt would keep them attached to the rider. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 10 03:27:50 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA20840; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 03:27:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA11337; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 03:27:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from dilbert.ucdavis.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA23322; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 03:27:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (ez055079@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dilbert.ucdavis.edu (8.8.8/UCD3.11.23) with SMTP id AAA10329; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 00:26:56 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 00:26:55 -0800 (PST) From: "Oh...THAT Beth..." X-Sender: ez055079@XXXXXX To: WantA ZX6 cc: suzuki-l@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Synthetics...once more time..sorry In-Reply-To: <5bfab4a9.34b6bcc1@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII we had a HUGE discussion about non-MC oils in rec.moto (i think) a while back. as long as the oil you are using (automotive or motorcycle-specific) meets or exceeds the specifications listed on your shop manual, you should be OK. if that means Castrol GTX, then go for it. i'd check out Deja News on the thread. it's a good one. i made an arse outa myself. :) -Beth "razor sharp tongue in cheek, poking in your open sores" ****************************************************************************** DoD#4508, AMA#542204, NGG resident fluid dynamics engineer check it out: http://home.cwnet.com/beffie From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 10 07:57:45 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA22196; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 07:57:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA12691; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 07:57:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from out4.ibm.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA25082; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 07:56:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from plato (slip166-72-250-123.pa.us.ibm.net [166.72.250.123]) by out4.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA41418 for ; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 12:56:56 GMT Received: by plato with Microsoft Mail id <01BD1D9E.7F84F4A0@plato>; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 08:05:21 -0500 Message-ID: <01BD1D9E.7F84F4A0@plato> From: "Robert W. Johnston" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Good Weather, Clear Roads, And In the mountains.... Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 08:00:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just what to rub it in, Leaving Martinsburg, WV and heading West for a morning ride. Then going to look at a complete unrestored in good condition '72 Triumph Bonniville selling for less than a house payment. rwj From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 10 10:06:56 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA22812; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 10:06:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA13621; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 10:05:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.mnsinc.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA25945; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 10:05:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay.mnsinc.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA10124 for ; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 10:05:51 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <34B7B8EE.4259@mnsinc.com> Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 10:07:42 -0800 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: XT250 FS Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gang, >From VA miscforsale - the usual disclaimers apply... JK > For Sale 1982 Yamaha XT250 Street and Trail Motorcycle. 4 Stroke Motor, 5 Speed > Trans, Has New Battery. Can Be street legal, Still has Headlight, Turn Signals, > Horn and Speedometer on Bike. Also have title if you wish to make it street legal. > I am selling it for only $600, if interested reply threw E-Mail or call me at > 703-593-3699. Located in Manassas. > Thanks > ]\/[ike > mikegb@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 10 11:48:25 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA23415; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 11:48:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA14546; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 11:48:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA26780; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 11:48:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-20.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.61]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA15998 for ; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 11:48:06 -0500 Message-ID: <000e01bd1de7$bf5c73c0$3d10b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: Subject: Re: Unrelated rant for the day...Re: Rude Cagers Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 11:48:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 [various postings about weapons using this Re:] Thought the District's position (it has it's own view of concealed and dangerous weapons) might be of note and helpful to some. IANot a lawyer, nor a toter, but over the years the picture gets painted. And a lot of us have the opportunity to consider packing, particularly when thinking of travelling to and in DC (and elsewhere). Could be an issue, so checked some of the list archives then made calls. I talked with three District District Duty officers this morning, (multiple opinions always pay off here these days) and here is what came through (a montage of, some a bit conflicting, replies): helpful, but shy of the printed DC Code, of course. The first words out of these policepeople's mouths were "NO GUNS in the District", a phrase a resident becomes aware of quickly. No guns, Mace, stun guns, brass knuckles, non-work knives, weapons from anywhere are legal on person, vehicle, visible or not, permitted elsewhere or not. This in effect since the mid-'70s. Exceptions -- registered law enforcement officers; rare business-related permits *issued by the District*. Pepper spray (there is a percent qualification) O.K. Knives under 6" or visible and verifiably used in work O.K. Recalling, there was a publicized incident several years ago when a recognized rare-gun dealer (or his rep?) had made an antique pistol purchase elsewhere and was enroute home via business in DC at the Capitol, where it was detected in a briefcase. Everything was legit except his carrying as viewed by the District, and there were very uncomfortable and inflexible times for him including immediate confiscation. Over a long period things were smoothed, but not without bruises. Hope this helps save someone future consternation. Obviously there are more qualified sources for specific cases. Maybe there are some DC stories out there. Bill Swanson 96 Vulcan 500 LTD Downtown DC AMA, + From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 10 12:59:29 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA23946; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 12:59:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA14927; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 12:59:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA27458; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 12:59:15 -0500 (EST) From: MotorLE Message-ID: Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 12:52:31 EST To: ghowell@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: Re: RE: Fun Fun! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) >Bite your tongue!! Harry and I might object to that statement. Beemer's >are old, stodgy men's bikes. Everybody knows that (and they also apply to >people susceptible to leg cramps, overweight, hate lubing chains, like >twins, hate cleaning chrome, etc, etc, etc, etc.... >What kinda Beemer? oh, just an '85 R80. In storage in California (someday we'll be re-united), I've got an R80G/S, a 1960 R50 and a 1953 R51/3. Once there was an R75/5, but I sold it to a friend and he used it to kill a mailbox. Colleen From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 10 14:12:45 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA24555; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 14:12:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA15268; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 14:12:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from zip1.ziplink.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA28093; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 14:12:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (holm@localhost) by zip1.ziplink.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA25214; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 14:11:16 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 14:11:16 -0500 (EST) From: Julie Holm To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, "Whiteside, John" , Linda Tanner , "Short Bikers' List" , Sam Pierce , "O'Brien, Jeannette" , "Meier, Christopher" , "Mark S. Holm" , Su Lennox , Anita Lauro <2xracers@XXXXXX>, George Howell , Peter Hartzler , Philip Hamm , "Robert S. Fourney" , "Louis F. Caplan" , Barbara Fourney , "'Fox, Jamie'" , Phoenix 76RB Subject: MSF ERC for electronic Denizens Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII As promised, I have arranged Motorcycle Safetly Courses for DC Area motorcyclists. These are group classes, they are the Experienced Rider Course. Because I got a heavy response, I have arranged for two of these courses, for a maximum of 23 attendes (minimum of 15) (There is already a poor schmuck signed up for one date.) Unfortunately, the courses are already so full that the earliest dates I could get in June. Therefore the "Denizens of Doom" Motorcycle Safety Experienced Rider Course will be held on Sundays June 7 and 14. You only attend ONE of these, not both. They are all day, 8 - 6 I think. They are held at Northern Virginia Community College in Sterling Virginia, but you do not have to be a Virginia Resident to come. You MUST bring your own bike, helmet, jacket, gloves, and wear boots that support the ankles. One of them, I've asked for the 14th, cause that is when I am going, will be taught by our own Tim Morrow. The classes cost $55. To sign up, send me the following information: A check for $55 made out to NVCC (Date it April 1: That's when I'll send them in.) Your Name, address, home and work phone Your social security number* Which date you want! You can mail them to me at Julie Holm 9617 Verdict Drive Vienna, VA 22181. Also send me an e-mail to let me know to look for the check. No hurry except that I'll fill the classes AS I GET CHECKS. First paid, first served. I'll send you an e-mail to let you know you are in. If you have any questions, e-mail me or call (703) 938-0435 See you there! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 10 18:16:33 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA26732; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 18:16:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA16101; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 18:16:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA00408; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 18:16:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id SAA07476; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 18:15:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid02.mcit.com [166.37.221.14]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id SAA12015; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 18:15:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.111.178]) by imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19980110231536.VKVN28757@[166.41.111.178]>; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 17:15:36 -0600 Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 18:03 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: Alan Lapp CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Tales of Horrible Death and Dismemberment X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980110231536.VKVN28757@[166.41.111.178]> Alan Lapp wrote: >A friend of mine invited The Family Unit to Summit for an unofficial >'Family Day' at the track. His Mom and Sis are cool: very helpful & >pleasant, even taking lap times for us. His Dad, however, is a personal >injury attorney, and I consider him a professional worrier. My bud bet me >At this point, the diplomatic nerd in me kicked in, and I told him that the >probablility of death in such a circumstance is absolutely 1, but the > >Finally, my bud went off on him and told him that he was bumming everyone >out. In retrospect, I should have told him that he was currently engaged >in a terribly dangerous activity: he was *really* pissing me off! You sound like a nice guy Alan. Me? I'm an "Angry Biker" and I don't think I would've been able to politely walk away. Anyway, Nasty! Dudes' nut on the bars...yech! Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 10 18:50:43 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA27022; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 18:50:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA16765; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 18:50:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA00795; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 18:50:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.134] (unverified [207.226.128.134]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 18:55:53 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Bad Time Date: Sat, 10 Jan 98 18:50:33 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Gil M. Nissley" , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > No wonder there's so many damn posts on this list.You guys >stay up all night geeking away on your computers. > I have to be up.I'm at work. I actually have to go take care of some procurements for work today. But the place I have to get some stuff from doesn't open until late on Saturdays! Lucky me. (Speaking of that, I'm running a little late myself:) -George From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jan 11 02:21:19 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA00547; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 02:21:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA23906; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 02:20:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA02823; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 02:20:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.105] (unverified [207.226.128.105]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 02:26:14 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: My limit... Date: Sun, 11 Jan 98 02:20:50 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Made it to Coleman Woodbridge, and did manage to get some Belstaff waxed cotton overmitts and the Cordura nylon pants at about 30% off. Unfortunately, they didn't have my size in waxed cotton pants, but I gotta admit: the cordura pants seemed good enough that I might have to invest in a full suit sometime. Nice stuff. Also got some snowmobile gloves. Armed with all of that, I went to a party up in Columbia tonight. Riding back at 12:00, I found out something: 35 degrees is about as cold as I want to go. I suppose I could stretch it a few more degrees with one more layer of clothing, but my real problem was a cold head. I already had one of those thin ski mask deals, and that didn't do the job 100%. I still have a headache:( Now the cold I could stand (in my head) but I think it did do a number on my concentration. Just wasn't able to hold it long enough. Or maybe I just need more practice. I was as tense tonight as I was the first time I rode in the rain (not counting the MSF course:) ``` (o o) *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| *--------------------------oooO------------* |__||__| || || ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jan 11 05:56:41 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id FAA01815; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 05:56:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id FAA24756; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 05:56:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id FAA00731; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 05:56:23 -0500 (EST) From: RDWOODJR Message-ID: <250ee74b.34b8a54e@aol.com> Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 05:56:13 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: up and over Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) << I'm a girl and I think wheelies are cool, but you'd never catch me doing one. Maybe a tiny one cause I accidentally let the clutch slip too soon but nothing on purpose. Ursulina Viteri>> Learned my lesson on wheelie-making many years ago. Wasn't good at it, and threw away a few street bikes in parking lots, not to mention that my knees still have the scars ( at least I landed on my hands and knees). Ya gotta stab the rear brake pedal at the Proper time. Richard From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jan 11 06:07:30 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA01888; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 06:07:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA24870; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 06:07:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA00819; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 06:07:22 -0500 (EST) From: RDWOODJR Message-ID: <7eb01282.34b8a7e2@aol.com> Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 06:07:13 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: passengers & the Rolling Stones (more cryptic messages) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) <> I wouldn't let my offspring ride with me until I obtained a backrest for my cruisers. Of course, that's not always an option. Plus, I've been off the back of a bike twice, thanks to cages ramming from behind. Hate to think what a backrest might of done to my back. Gee, (Rolling Stones), you just always can't get what you want! OBTW, if your passenger's feet don't touch the footpegs, a RECKless driving violation citation is possible. Seen it, heard it, didn't do it. Richard Wood From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jan 11 06:18:25 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA01951; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 06:18:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA24912; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 06:18:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA00921; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 06:18:13 -0500 (EST) From: RDWOODJR Message-ID: <270ef8cc.34b8aa6b@aol.com> Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 06:18:01 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Oh scary me Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) >I personally am more scared of the power-suit (read power-tripping) types Todd - ESPECIALLY if they're driving a Volvo... Michael J. > Especially ones wearing *driving gloves*. What the heck for? Seen that so many times commuting! Ya gonna get blisters in those spirited maneuvers on the beltway? Richard Wood From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jan 11 10:46:34 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA03219; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 10:46:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA27211; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 10:46:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from beta.nova.org by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA03025; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 10:46:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by beta.nova.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA29724; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 10:46:03 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 10:46:02 -0500 (EST) From: Thomas Piergallini Reply-To: pierre@XXXXXX To: George Howell cc: DC Cycles Subject: Re: My limit... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 11 Jan 1998, George Howell wrote: > Armed with all of that, I went to a party up in Columbia tonight. Riding > back at 12:00, I found out something: 35 degrees is about as cold as I > want to go. I suppose I could stretch it a few more degrees with one more > layer of clothing, but my real problem was a cold head. I already had one > of those thin ski mask deals, and that didn't do the job 100%. I still > have a headache:( Now the cold I could stand (in my head) but I think it > did do a number on my concentration. Just wasn't able to hold it long > enough. Do you have an "apple warmer", the piece of cloth that attachs to your helmut and blocks air from under your chin? I have found that this, in combination with the neoprene whole head facemask should get you down to 20 degree, and long duration. Thomas Piergallini EMail: pierre@XXXXXX, pierre@XXXXXX http://www.elkrun.chantilly.va.us From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jan 11 11:15:22 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA03367; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 11:15:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA27745; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 11:15:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA03241; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 11:15:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id LAA08758; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 11:14:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid01.mcit.com [166.37.221.13]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id KAA15766; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 10:14:21 -0600 (CST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.111.126]) by imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19980111161420.WULS215@[166.41.111.126]>; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 10:14:20 -0600 Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 11:05 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: Thomas Piergallini CC: George Howell , DC Cycles Subject: Re: My limit... X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980111161420.WULS215@[166.41.111.126]> Thomas Piergallini wrote: >Do you have an "apple warmer", the piece of cloth that attachs to your >helmut and blocks air from under your chin? I have found that this, in >combination with the neoprene whole head facemask should get you down to >20 degree, and long duration. George, if you don't have one of these you can borrow mine to test it out. It requires that you stick some small tabs of velcro loops (4 of them) on your helmet at the base. This warmer does work very well btw. I don't use it anymore 'cause I got that big windshield and the polertec 'neck halter'. Let me know. Tod From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jan 11 12:31:23 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA03986; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 12:31:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA27954; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 12:31:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA04117; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 12:31:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.109] (unverified [207.226.128.109]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 12:36:31 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: My limit... Date: Sun, 11 Jan 98 12:31:06 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: cc: "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Do you have an "apple warmer", the piece of cloth that attachs to your >helmut and blocks air from under your chin? I have found that this, in >combination with the neoprene whole head facemask should get you down to >20 degree, and long duration. Actually, no I don't. I forgot all about those things. Thanks for the reminder. -George From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jan 11 14:15:48 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA04866; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 14:15:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA28267; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 14:15:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from welchlink.welch.jhu.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA05448; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 14:15:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from HGREENS.adventisthealthcare.com (Pool-207-205-223-250.pitb.grid.net [207.205.223.250]) by welchlink.welch.jhu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA16544 for ; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 14:13:07 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980111141633.006a2d9c@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: hggmd@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 14:16:33 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." Subject: Ride/Book Recommendation Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" With yesterday's beautiful weather, I hit the road for a the big "Monument Valley" tour: Thurmont to Smithsburg, then down 66 and 34 to Sharpsburg for the glorious run to Harper's Ferry. We got there just in time to see the sunset along the Shenandoah River. For those of you who don't know about them, Whitehorse Press (http://www.whitehorsepress.com) has great motorcycling books, including a series called "Motorcycle Journeys." I have the "MJ through the Applacians" and "... through New England," which are both great. Each includes great routes, maps, directions, places of interest, historical notes, etc. They've never gotten me lost or disappointed me. Harry Bethesda, MD '97 BMW R1100RT http://www.greenspun.com/harry/bikes.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jan 11 18:28:31 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA08758; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 18:28:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA29563; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 18:28:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from italy.it.earthlink.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA11192; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 18:28:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from [153.35.88.175] (1Cust175.tnt4.tco2.da.uu.net [153.35.88.175]) by italy.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA01407 for ; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 15:28:06 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: level_5_ltd@XXXXXX (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <34B729A8.AA60AAF5@geocities.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 18:29:35 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Alan Lapp Subject: Re: pepper spray and other weapons >yes, those are good too; however, they don't do much for you in the >trunk...Believe it or not, there are a few documented cases of cops giving >harrasment for having tire irons up front!! I'm sure a decent lawyer could >get a person out of it, but it's still a pain... >A flashlight up front is more justifiable (especially if ya have a dome light >that's as worthless a the one in my truck....it's at the back of the extended >cab...makes for nice shadows in the front seat..) >CT Very true! I had a billy club in my car and a cop (who was at my house after I reported a theft-from-auto) gave me the warning that it was considered a weapon because it has no other functional use than beating people senseless. The flashlight has a function aside from it's prowess as a club. Al level_5_ltd@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jan 11 18:38:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA08942; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 18:38:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA29651; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 18:38:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA11423; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 18:38:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from default ([12.68.77.207]) by mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA687 for ; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 23:37:58 +0000 Reply-To: "kevin thomas" From: "kevin thomas" To: "dc-cycles" Subject: way to rub it in, guys! Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 18:34:41 -0500 Message-ID: <01bd1ee9$7daf5de0$cf4d440c@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0015_01BD1EBF.94D955E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01BD1EBF.94D955E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey, y'all-- here I am with no voltage regulator, and Cycles USA has to order one, = and I haven't had time to be sure that's what's wrong, and I have to = work on my friend's truck all day anyway, and you all rode _right_ past_ = me on the way out on your ride! I was at my friend's house on Hutton St = in Gaithersburg, just a couple of blocks from your starting point. = Thanks a bunch, I needed that!!! :-( ;-) Hope you had fun! 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Hey, y'all--
 
here I am with no voltage regulator, and Cycles USA = has to=20 order one, and I haven't had time to be sure that's what's wrong, and I = have to=20 work on my friend's truck all day anyway, and you all rode _right_ past_ = me on=20 the way out on your ride!  I was at my friend's house on Hutton St = in=20 Gaithersburg, just a couple of blocks from your starting point.  = Thanks a=20 bunch, I needed that!!!
 
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Hope you had fun!
 
Kevin
 
He who says it cannot be done should = not=20 interrupt him who is doing it.
------=_NextPart_000_0015_01BD1EBF.94D955E0-- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jan 11 19:30:53 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA09828; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 19:30:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA00770; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 19:30:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.mnsinc.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA12618; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 19:30:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay.mnsinc.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA29876 for ; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 19:30:37 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <34B98ECD.3117@mnsinc.com> Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 19:32:29 -0800 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Sunday Trip Report Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey gang, For those of you who frittered the day away watching football on the tube, 14 of your brethern and sistern enjoyed themselves on a (relatively) short but delightful ride led by Steve Harris (Team Charm). Up to Sugarload Mountain we went, some 46 miles from Steve's crib down some neat sweeping roads - especially Thurston Road - now that was a lot of fun! A slight mishap occurred when Ursulina - today's newbie ;) let her LTD450 slip from underneath her on one of the switchbacks, but she seemed in fine spirits and her bike sustained very minor damage. Great weather, nice ride. Thanks again Steve. N.B. Brian McCoy, I do have a lens for you. Gimme a holler... JK From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jan 11 21:33:41 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA10768; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 21:33:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA03594; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 21:33:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from zip1.ziplink.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA14420; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 21:33:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (holm@localhost) by zip1.ziplink.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id VAA24835 for ; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 21:34:53 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 21:34:53 -0500 (EST) From: Julie Holm To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 01/11/98 In-Reply-To: <199801120000.TAA00238@tove.cs.umd.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 11 Jan 1998, Harry Greenspun, MD wrote: > For those of you who don't know about them, Whitehorse Press > (http://www.whitehorsepress.com) has great motorcycling books, including a > series called "Motorcycle Journeys." I have the "MJ through the > Applacians" and "... through New England," which are both great. Each > includes great routes, maps, directions, places of interest, historical > notes, etc. They've never gotten me lost or disappointed me. > I can also vouch for them. I have only been on a couple of the Appalachian tours, but when we went on our "Castle Tour" (Check my web page) we used quite a bit of the New England guide. I also have the southwest, though I've only used it once. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Julie Holm (ENTP)| DoD #1604 AMA#397939 UKMC# 0001 VOC# 4672 holm@XXXXXX | 1985 Virago 700 "Maureen" | I'm home at http://www.ziplink.net/~holm NGG Webmistress | Remember the PINK PAGES are always changing (Just and Armourer | like a Nasty Girlie's mind!) | NGG home page http://www.ziplink.net/~holm/ngg/ngg.html --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 12 09:59:55 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA17564; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 09:59:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA06822; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 22:59:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA03684; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 09:39:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay2.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id JAA16144; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 09:39:45 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 09:38:15 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D37EB95@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Sorry, Missed Sunday... Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 09:37:22 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain and I was the person who started the whole talk about the ride!! Sorry, but I got sick. I thought it was just a cold but it ended up being something EVIL that made me sleep all afternoon! I figured with as off-balance as I felt I had no business riding anywhere...DAMN!! I didn't get to meet all you racer-types! I did ride out to Herndon Saturday, though, to meet my sis and try on bridesmaid dresses. I had to pull over at one point 'cause I had my summer gloves on & couldn't feel my hands anymore. So, I pulled over on the Dulles toll road (praying that a cop wouldn't come driving up behind me...PLEASE PLEASE). Well, I got lucky, didn't see Johnny Law & once I could feel my hands again the ride was quite pleasant, although very straight. Going through tolls on a bike with heavy gloves on is a royal pain in the butt, though! - Jeannette From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 12 10:00:01 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA17570; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 09:59:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA06841; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 22:59:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA03168; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 09:15:11 -0500 (EST) From: RDWOODJR Message-ID: <1ccdbc33.34ba2442@aol.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 09:10:09 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: ghowell@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 01/11/98 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) << >Do you have an "apple warmer", the piece of cloth that attachs to your >helmut and blocks air from under your chin? I have found that this, in >combination with the neoprene whole head facemask should get you down to >20 degree, and long duration. Actually, no I don't. I forgot all about those things. Thanks for the reminder. -George >> George, I've got 2 of the *original* apple warmers (not the copy-cat less effective "polar collars") I don't use. You can have one if you like. Or anyone else willing to stop by *__* forsaken Brandywine. They WORK. Then you really need effective face shield defogging. And fresh breath. Richard Wood From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 12 10:00:20 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA17592; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 10:00:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA06871; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 22:59:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA03090; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 09:09:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay2.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id JAA04353; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 09:09:32 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 09:08:01 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D37EB93@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Gil M. Nissley'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Riding with a Passenger Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 09:07:09 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Ok, give me someone who's under 115lbs so I can practice!! ; ) - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Gil M. Nissley [SMTP:gnissley@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, January 09, 1998 6:29 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Riding with a Passenger > > > Lots of good advice has been posted so I'll just add two points. > When you start riding passengers,pick people who are smaller than > you,it makes it much easier to control the bike when you have the > greater mass.I rode my dad on the back once;he was 220,I was 150. > It got real tricky at low speed. > Second,it helps if the bike you're using has a low center of > gravity and a pillion that's not too high/rearward.My FT Ascot was > easiy to ride passengers on,my CBR9 was not. > > Oh,and don't ride a passenger on the back of an S1. ;-) > > > The official BuellBoy Genes model. > > gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38DT > > Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 12 10:01:03 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA17605; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 10:01:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA07044; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 23:00:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA04254; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 10:00:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id IAA10489; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 08:59:34 -0600 (CST) Received: from imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid01.mcit.com [166.37.221.13]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id IAA16274; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 08:59:32 -0600 (CST) Received: from mci.com ([166.32.114.127]) by imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with ESMTP id <19980112145931.XNUG215@XXXXXX>; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 08:59:31 -0600 Message-ID: <34BA2FD4.C74E17E4@mci.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 09:59:32 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Reply-To: Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Todd Peer CC: Thomas Piergallini , George Howell , DC Cycles Subject: Re: My limit... References: <19980111161420.WULS215@[166.41.111.126]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You can buy them at Coleman Poser sports with tabs that insert between the helmet shell and the liner. There's enough grip there to hold them in place. I'm happy with mine. I paid less than $10 for it. It's coming off in the spring though, it's too warm - and it promotes fogging. Dale (the Horkster) Todd Peer wrote: > Thomas Piergallini wrote: > >Do you have an "apple warmer", the piece of cloth that attachs to your > >helmut and blocks air from under your chin? I have found that this, in > >combination with the neoprene whole head facemask should get you down to > >20 degree, and long duration. > > George, if you don't have one of these you can borrow mine to test > it out. It requires that you stick some small tabs of velcro loops > (4 of them) on your helmet at the base. > > This warmer does work very well btw. I don't use it anymore 'cause > I got that big windshield and the polertec 'neck halter'. > > Let me know. > > Tod From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 12 10:01:12 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA17610; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 10:01:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA07085; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 23:00:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from m-net.arbornet.org by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA02316; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 08:19:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (bmccoy@localhost) by m-net.arbornet.org (8.8.5/8.8.6) with SMTP id IAA27105 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 08:16:04 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 08:16:03 -0500 (EST) From: Brian McCoy To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: grumble, grumble Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hey gang... The joys of a computer company that can't keep it's friggin mail server up and running - or GET it up and running after 2 days. Well, thank god for free e-mail accounts. The ride this weekend was great (and as I've heard that Senor Kozen has already provided details, I'll not duplicate. Though - something related to the ride was that I Finally got my finicky beast over the 30,000 mile marker near the end of the ride. Time to sell it I guess.. :P I'll put another $200 or so into the bike repairing and replacing things that make for convience so it's a bit easier to sell, and a new rear tire. I must say, as far as bias-ply tires go, I really like my Avon Super Venoms - they provide high stick quality, and a confident ride. But I also get about 7,000 miles out of a rear too (this was my second). This may not be quite as good as a radial, but it's damn good for my needs (2 rears, one front a year.. total cost of about $300 including mounting). Blah, so I don't want to ramble anymore.. if anyone needs to get in touch with me - e-mail me at this address (bmccoy@XXXXXX I believe - but check for yourself). Cheers all.. Brian M. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 12 10:01:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA17621; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 10:01:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA07163; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 23:00:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from sundown.northgrum.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA02078; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 07:57:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from puff.northgrum.com (puff.northgrum.com [157.127.103.139]) by sundown.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id EAA20325 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 04:57:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from xcgca011.northgrum.com ([157.127.103.101]) by puff.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id EAA23146 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 04:57:29 -0800 (PST) Received: by XCGCA011 with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 04:58:17 -0800 Message-ID: <11D743514607D011A15500805FEA3464A45DC8@xcgva001.grumman.com> From: "Meier, Christopher" To: dc-cycles Subject: RE: Sunday Trip Report Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 04:58:02 -0800 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain I second that ... Great ride Steve. I guess MD _does_ have some good roads! ;-) BTW, for those still interested ... the Coast racing was won by a gold Volvo station wagon! Later, chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ > ---------- > From: John C. Kozyn[SMTP:jckozyn@XXXXXX] > Sent: Sunday, January 11, 1998 10:32 PM > To: dc-cycles > Subject: Sunday Trip Report > > Hey gang, > > For those of you who frittered the day away watching football on the > tube, 14 of your brethern and sistern enjoyed themselves on a > (relatively) short but delightful ride led by Steve Harris (Team > Charm). > > Up to Sugarload Mountain we went, some 46 miles from Steve's crib down > some neat sweeping roads - especially Thurston Road - now that was a > lot > of fun! > > A slight mishap occurred when Ursulina - today's newbie ;) let her > LTD450 slip from underneath her on one of the switchbacks, but she > seemed in fine spirits and her bike sustained very minor damage. > > Great weather, nice ride. Thanks again Steve. > > N.B. Brian McCoy, I do have a lens for you. Gimme a holler... > > JK > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 12 10:04:22 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA17678; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 10:04:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA08046; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 23:03:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from iconmail.bellatlantic.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA16983; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 00:58:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from my-workstation (client196-127-53.bellatlantic.net [151.196.127.53]) by iconmail.bellatlantic.net (IConNet Sendmail) with SMTP id AAA16057 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 00:58:35 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980112004752.00c17f98@postoffice.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: true911@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 00:47:52 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mark E. Truelove" Subject: Saturday ride note... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I just read John's note about today's ride, and noticed no one had written from yesterday. Just wanted to drop a note of thanks to Louis for picking a great little meandering route out of his archives -- the weather was great, and it felt great to see some new areas and be on the bike after a few weeks of work, weather and illness conspiring against me! I drove home on the parkway like a maniac, something I haven't done in years and probably won't again soon, but it felt GRRREAT!!! (My apologies to my old MSF instructors :) It was nice to see a good mix of known and unknown (to me) faces, too. MET ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark E. Truelove (true@XXXXXX) http://www.clark.net/pub/pooh/ Polaris Technology Group http://www.angelfire.com/biz/polaristech/ Placement Specialists: SAP PeopleSoft Notes Fiber-Optics NT UNIX DBs ======================================================================= From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 12 10:04:23 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA17679; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 10:04:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA08035; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 23:03:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from iconmail.bellatlantic.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA16980; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 00:58:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from my-workstation (client196-127-53.bellatlantic.net [151.196.127.53]) by iconmail.bellatlantic.net (IConNet Sendmail) with SMTP id AAA16045; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 00:58:31 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980112002452.0070b530@postoffice.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: true911@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 00:24:52 -0500 To: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mark E. Truelove" Subject: Re: Ride/Book Recommendation In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980111141633.006a2d9c@pop.mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 02:16 PM 1/11/98 -0500, Harry G. Greenspun, M.D. wrote: > For those of you who don't know about them, Whitehorse Press >(http://www.whitehorsepress.com) has great motorcycling books, including a >series called "Motorcycle Journeys." I have the "MJ through the >Applacians" and "... through New England," which are both great. Each My sis just ordered me the Appalachian one for Xmas -- I'm looking forward to exploring it. MET ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark E. Truelove (true@XXXXXX) http://www.clark.net/pub/pooh/ Polaris Technology Group http://www.angelfire.com/biz/polaristech/ Placement Specialists: SAP PeopleSoft Notes Fiber-Optics NT UNIX DBs ======================================================================= From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 12 10:14:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA17779; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 10:14:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA09203; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 23:14:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from sundown.northgrum.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA04305; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 10:01:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from puff.northgrum.com (puff.northgrum.com [157.127.103.139]) by sundown.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id HAA26051 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 07:01:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from xcgca004.northgrum.com ([157.127.103.103]) by puff.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id HAA28289 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 07:01:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by XCGCA004 with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 07:02:29 -0800 Message-ID: <11D743514607D011A15500805FEA3464A45DCC@xcgva001.grumman.com> From: "Meier, Christopher" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, "'Gil M. Nissley'" Subject: RE: Unrelated rant for the day...Re: Rude Cagers Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 07:02:22 -0800 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain if that's the intersection of Col. Pike and Glebe in Arlington, I thought it was called "the Cop Shop". Did it change it's name or something? Later, chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ > ---------- > From: Gil M. Nissley[SMTP:gnissley@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, January 09, 1998 8:08 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Unrelated rant for the day...Re: Rude Cagers > --snip-- > I bought it from US Cavalry.There's also a shop on Columbia Pike > (in the same shopping center as Boston Market) that carries police and > > self defence stuff. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 12 10:23:05 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA17966; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 10:23:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA09534; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 23:22:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA04748; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 10:22:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.02c) id A53925E0292; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 10:22:33 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980112095810.00a611f0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 09:58:10 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Riding with a Passenger In-Reply-To: References: <98Jan9.101401est.19594@GKCATL01.kilcody.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:47 AM 1/10/98 -0500, Alan Lapp wrote: >Obligatory horror stories: > >A punk friend of mine needed a ride to pick up his car. He thought it >would be funny to put his foot down in the middle of a corner, like he did >on his dirt bike. Stood us up, and headed us directly towards a ditch. I >restrained myself from smacking him silly. I've got a story about riding with a passenger, told by a friend who was the passenger on someone's bike. This rider decided to pop a wheelie while my friend was on the back. The wheelie was okay, but my friend said "Never again." Some time later, the rider convinced my friend to ride with him again, after promising not to do a wheelie or anything else stupid with a passenger on the back. My friend got on the bike, wrapped his arms around the rider ... and the rider did a wheelie. My friend made a fist and thrust it vigorously downward. The rider immediately put the front end back on the ground and didn't do it again! Some people should never take passengers, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 12 10:26:09 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA17995; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 10:26:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA09622; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 23:25:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from tangerine.uucom.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA04806; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 10:25:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from tangerine.uucom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tangerine.uucom.com (8.8.7/8.8.4/970102ccg) with ESMTP id KAA10237; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 10:24:16 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199801121524.KAA10237@tangerine.uucom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 To: "Meier, Christopher" cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Unrelated rant for the day...Re: Rude Cagers In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 12 Jan 1998 07:02:22 PST." <11D743514607D011A15500805FEA3464A45DCC@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 10:24:16 -0500 From: "Matthew V. J. Whalen" I think I heard "Meier, Christopher" say: >if that's the intersection of Col. Pike and Glebe in Arlington, I >thought it was called "the Cop Shop". Did it change it's name or >something? It is still called "The Cop Shop," but the tailor that worked there has left and opened his own shop. (Not that it is all that relevant to dcc) ----- -matthew From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 12 10:33:16 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA18098; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 10:33:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA09756; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 23:33:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from draco.eisi.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA04951; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 10:33:09 -0500 (EST) Received: by draco.eisi.com; id KAA17049; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 10:33:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from unknown(10.3.1.4) by draco.eisi.com via smap (3.2) id xma017044; Mon, 12 Jan 98 10:33:01 -0500 Received: by HRNEXCH1 with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 10:33:24 -0500 Message-ID: <7F151D3C3920D111859A080009D806396E6C42@HRNEXCH1> From: "Whiteside, John" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Rude Cagers Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 10:33:23 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Actually I find the drivers in Virginia a lot scarier than in the District.... --John Whiteside, Virginia commuter, District resident (for a few more weeks) > -----Original Message----- > From: Collin T. Fagan [SMTP:gixer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, January 09, 1998 6:40 PM > To: Jinn Sinn > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Rude Cagers > > Normally if I can avoid them in general I do and just chalk up another > idiotic > move to BDC's....But if they're getting close and the 132db horn does > not dissuade > them, I've been known on numerous occasions (yeah I go into the > district daily) to > plant a size 10 steel toed/shanked boot hard into the nearest body > panel....(then > I head for the nearest escape path and put some distance between me > and them to > avoid the aforementioned psychopaths)... And yes, nothing makes a > statement like a > COLT!!!! > Collin > > Jinn Sinn wrote: > > > ok...this morning, riding to work on the parkway (Rock Creek) the > lanes are > > merging cause some idiot is blocking traffic in one lane. I'm in the > left > > lane, car in the right lane and slightly BEHIND me (so she > DEFINATELY SAW > > ME)......pulls about 3/4 of the way into my lane forcing me to go > left into > > the left-turn lane where fortunately there were no other cars....her > window > > was down, my visor was up and I yelled "Hey!" (wellll......I > couldn't think of > > anything else on the spur of the moment and my horn doesn't > work....) her > > response was to shrug and proceed to take up the remaining 1/4 of > the > > lane...........argh! > > > > marcy > > > > -- > _________________________________________ > Collin and Penny Fagan > LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard > (202) 366-0067 (work) > (703) 356-4279 (home) > ICQ UIN: 435732 > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ > (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 12 10:43:52 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA18241; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 10:43:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA09950; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 23:43:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from draco.eisi.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA05204; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 10:43:43 -0500 (EST) Received: by draco.eisi.com; id KAA17868; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 10:43:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from unknown(10.3.1.4) by draco.eisi.com via smap (3.2) id xma017837; Mon, 12 Jan 98 10:43:29 -0500 Received: by HRNEXCH1 with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 10:43:52 -0500 Message-ID: <7F151D3C3920D111859A080009D806396E6C43@HRNEXCH1> From: "Whiteside, John" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Sorry, Missed Sunday... Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 10:43:48 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Re: Tolls This is one of the thing that keeps me from riding into work as much -- that #$$@ Dulles Toll Road. It's not too bad with lighter gloves -- I keep a bunch of quarters in a pouch on my tank bag -- but I haven't tried it with the winter gloves yet. What do other folks do? A friend of a friend supposedly mounted his fastoll box to his windscreen and it works -- I tried this and it didn't at all. John Whiteside Marketing Specialist EIS Marketing Dept. Phone: (703) 736-8386 * Fax (703) 787-6720 jwhiteside@XXXXXX http://www.eisi.com > -----Original Message----- > From: O'Brien, Jeannette [SMTP:jlobrien@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, January 12, 1998 9:37 AM > To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > Subject: Sorry, Missed Sunday... > > and I was the person who started the whole talk about the ride!! > Sorry, > but I got sick. I thought it was just a cold but it ended up being > something EVIL that made me sleep all afternoon! I figured with as > off-balance as I felt I had no business riding anywhere...DAMN!! I > didn't get to meet all you racer-types! > > I did ride out to Herndon Saturday, though, to meet my sis and try on > bridesmaid dresses. I had to pull over at one point 'cause I had my > summer gloves on & couldn't feel my hands anymore. So, I pulled over > on > the Dulles toll road (praying that a cop wouldn't come driving up > behind > me...PLEASE PLEASE). Well, I got lucky, didn't see Johnny Law & once > I > could feel my hands again the ride was quite pleasant, although very > straight. Going through tolls on a bike with heavy gloves on is a > royal > pain in the butt, though! > > - Jeannette From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 12 10:49:24 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA18320; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 10:49:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA10034; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 23:48:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA05322; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 10:48:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay2.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id KAA11563; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 10:48:44 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 10:47:12 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D37EBA4@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Whiteside, John'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Rude Cagers Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 10:46:19 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain I agree with you in general. I've only had psychos so far in VA, but then again, I did get attacked once in DC when someone tried to run me over! I taught him, though!! hee hee hee - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Whiteside, John [SMTP:jwhiteside@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, January 12, 1998 10:33 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Rude Cagers > > Actually I find the drivers in Virginia a lot scarier than in the > District.... > > --John Whiteside, Virginia commuter, District resident (for a few more > weeks) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Collin T. Fagan [SMTP:gixer@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Friday, January 09, 1998 6:40 PM > > To: Jinn Sinn > > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Re: Rude Cagers > > > > Normally if I can avoid them in general I do and just chalk up > another > > idiotic > > move to BDC's....But if they're getting close and the 132db horn > does > > not dissuade > > them, I've been known on numerous occasions (yeah I go into the > > district daily) to > > plant a size 10 steel toed/shanked boot hard into the nearest body > > panel....(then > > I head for the nearest escape path and put some distance between me > > and them to > > avoid the aforementioned psychopaths)... And yes, nothing makes a > > statement like a > > COLT!!!! > > Collin > > > > Jinn Sinn wrote: > > > > > ok...this morning, riding to work on the parkway (Rock Creek) the > > lanes are > > > merging cause some idiot is blocking traffic in one lane. I'm in > the > > left > > > lane, car in the right lane and slightly BEHIND me (so she > > DEFINATELY SAW > > > ME)......pulls about 3/4 of the way into my lane forcing me to go > > left into > > > the left-turn lane where fortunately there were no other > cars....her > > window > > > was down, my visor was up and I yelled "Hey!" (wellll......I > > couldn't think of > > > anything else on the spur of the moment and my horn doesn't > > work....) her > > > response was to shrug and proceed to take up the remaining 1/4 of > > the > > > lane...........argh! > > > > > > marcy > > > > > > > > -- > > _________________________________________ > > Collin and Penny Fagan > > LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard > > (202) 366-0067 (work) > > (703) 356-4279 (home) > > ICQ UIN: 435732 > > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ > > (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 12 11:14:05 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA18724; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 11:14:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA11034; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 00:13:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA05983; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 11:13:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com by mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (8.8.8/McCaw V8 version 1) id IAA24355; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 08:12:57 -0800 (PST) Received: by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id IAA23418; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 08:12:56 -0800 Received: from hq_msg01.nwest.mccaw.com by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id IAA23411; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 08:12:53 -0800 Received: by hq_msg01.nwest.mccaw.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD1F31.DAB95700@XXXXXX>; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 08:12:41 -0800 Message-ID: From: "Viteri, Ursulina" To: "'O'Brien, Jeannette'" , "'Whiteside, John'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Rude Cagers Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 08:09:52 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 91 TEXT Did they ever find his carcass? : - ) Ursulina Viteri 202-416-6534 * Fax 202-223-9095 AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. - Washington, DC >-----Original Message----- >From: O'Brien, Jeannette [SMTP:jlobrien@XXXXXX] >Sent: Monday, January 12, 1998 7:46 AM >To: 'Whiteside, John'; dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: RE: Rude Cagers > >I agree with you in general. I've only had psychos so far in VA, but >then again, I did get attacked once in DC when someone tried to run me >over! I taught him, though!! hee hee hee > >- Jeannette > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Whiteside, John [SMTP:jwhiteside@XXXXXX] >> Sent: Monday, January 12, 1998 10:33 AM >> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >> Subject: RE: Rude Cagers >> >> Actually I find the drivers in Virginia a lot scarier than in the >> District.... >> >> --John Whiteside, Virginia commuter, District resident (for a few more >> weeks) >> >> >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Collin T. Fagan [SMTP:gixer@XXXXXX] >> > Sent: Friday, January 09, 1998 6:40 PM >> > To: Jinn Sinn >> > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >> > Subject: Re: Rude Cagers >> > >> > Normally if I can avoid them in general I do and just chalk up >> another >> > idiotic >> > move to BDC's....But if they're getting close and the 132db horn >> does >> > not dissuade >> > them, I've been known on numerous occasions (yeah I go into the >> > district daily) to >> > plant a size 10 steel toed/shanked boot hard into the nearest body >> > panel....(then >> > I head for the nearest escape path and put some distance between me >> > and them to >> > avoid the aforementioned psychopaths)... And yes, nothing makes a >> > statement like a >> > COLT!!!! >> > Collin >> > >> > Jinn Sinn wrote: >> > >> > > ok...this morning, riding to work on the parkway (Rock Creek) the >> > lanes are >> > > merging cause some idiot is blocking traffic in one lane. I'm in >> the >> > left >> > > lane, car in the right lane and slightly BEHIND me (so she >> > DEFINATELY SAW >> > > ME)......pulls about 3/4 of the way into my lane forcing me to go >> > left into >> > > the left-turn lane where fortunately there were no other >> cars....her >> > window >> > > was down, my visor was up and I yelled "Hey!" (wellll......I >> > couldn't think of >> > > anything else on the spur of the moment and my horn doesn't >> > work....) her >> > > response was to shrug and proceed to take up the remaining 1/4 of >> > the >> > > lane...........argh! >> > > >> > > marcy >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > _________________________________________ >> > Collin and Penny Fagan >> > LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard >> > (202) 366-0067 (work) >> > (703) 356-4279 (home) >> > ICQ UIN: 435732 >> > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ >> > (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) >> > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 12 11:15:14 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA18737; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 11:15:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA11108; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 00:14:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA06024; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 11:15:02 -0500 (EST) From: RDWOODJR Message-ID: Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 11:09:14 EST To: cnorloff@XXXXXX, ROYK@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: apple warmers Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) << I would like to take you up on your offer. I should have the opportunity to hit !@# Brandywine next weekend. Of course, this assumes I beat out all the other cheap freebie grabbing types... Thanks, Kirk>> << Say, I'd be interested in one of those. Any possibility you could drop it in the mail? I'd be happy to give you something for it. thanks, Chris Norloff >> Actually, I found 3 in my basement(3, what kinda nut are you?). Jeez, i found 5 pairs of winter gloves too. Kirk gets #1 Chris gets #2 George has 24 hours to reserve #3. This *is* a limited offer! Just e-mail me shipping addresses, guys. No need to visit *___* forsaken Brandywine unless you would like to sit on my deck and view three hundred acres of birds, squirrels, foxes and deer. And I only own 3 acres of it. Crap, now someone's building a house I can see, 1/4 mile away. There goes the neighborhood. Richard Wood From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 12 11:24:07 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA18917; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 11:24:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA11775; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 00:23:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA06228; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 11:23:53 -0500 (EST) From: RDWOODJR Message-ID: <9a719d2a.34ba4299@aol.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 11:19:36 EST To: pierre@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Applewarmer Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) << name your price, and I will send you that and the shipping for it. I live in chantilly.... Work at 50 and the beltway virginia side. -pierre >> Even though I am quite the mercenary, the applewarmers are freely given at no charge. Pierre, your response was #3. Now it is your responsibility to eliminate (JUST KIDDING!) George if you want the last one. You have 24 hours to complete your mission. Any knowledge of your actions will be disavowed if you are caught. This message will self-destruct in 5 seco______ Whew! I've got too much free time. Richard Wood From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 12 11:27:24 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA18963; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 11:27:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA11826; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 00:27:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA06324; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 11:27:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay2.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id LAA24581; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 11:27:13 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 11:25:41 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D37EBAC@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Viteri, Ursulina'" , "O'Brien, Jeannette" , "'Whiteside, John'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Rude Cagers Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 11:24:47 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain I don't think he expected me to be quite as scrappy as I was. After he got me down, he stupidly slipped in the snow & I jumped on him. I did manage to make him lose his glasses & then he got chased away by my Adams Morgan friendy neighbors!! Then I had dreams for months about stomping his face in with my docs. Sorry, all...I hope that wasn't too graphic. - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Viteri, Ursulina [SMTP:ursulina.viteri@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, January 12, 1998 11:10 AM > To: 'O'Brien, Jeannette'; 'Whiteside, John'; 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > Subject: RE: Rude Cagers > > Did they ever find his carcass? : - ) > > Ursulina Viteri > 202-416-6534 * Fax 202-223-9095 > AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. - Washington, DC > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: O'Brien, Jeannette [SMTP:jlobrien@XXXXXX] > >Sent: Monday, January 12, 1998 7:46 AM > >To: 'Whiteside, John'; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >Subject: RE: Rude Cagers > > > >I agree with you in general. I've only had psychos so far in VA, but > >then again, I did get attacked once in DC when someone tried to run > me > >over! I taught him, though!! hee hee hee > > > >- Jeannette > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Whiteside, John [SMTP:jwhiteside@XXXXXX] > >> Sent: Monday, January 12, 1998 10:33 AM > >> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >> Subject: RE: Rude Cagers > >> > >> Actually I find the drivers in Virginia a lot scarier than in the > >> District.... > >> > >> --John Whiteside, Virginia commuter, District resident (for a few > more > >> weeks) > >> > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- > >> > From: Collin T. Fagan [SMTP:gixer@XXXXXX] > >> > Sent: Friday, January 09, 1998 6:40 PM > >> > To: Jinn Sinn > >> > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >> > Subject: Re: Rude Cagers > >> > > >> > Normally if I can avoid them in general I do and just chalk up > >> another > >> > idiotic > >> > move to BDC's....But if they're getting close and the 132db horn > >> does > >> > not dissuade > >> > them, I've been known on numerous occasions (yeah I go into the > >> > district daily) to > >> > plant a size 10 steel toed/shanked boot hard into the nearest > body > >> > panel....(then > >> > I head for the nearest escape path and put some distance between > me > >> > and them to > >> > avoid the aforementioned psychopaths)... And yes, nothing makes a > >> > statement like a > >> > COLT!!!! > >> > Collin > >> > > >> > Jinn Sinn wrote: > >> > > >> > > ok...this morning, riding to work on the parkway (Rock Creek) > the > >> > lanes are > >> > > merging cause some idiot is blocking traffic in one lane. I'm > in > >> the > >> > left > >> > > lane, car in the right lane and slightly BEHIND me (so she > >> > DEFINATELY SAW > >> > > ME)......pulls about 3/4 of the way into my lane forcing me to > go > >> > left into > >> > > the left-turn lane where fortunately there were no other > >> cars....her > >> > window > >> > > was down, my visor was up and I yelled "Hey!" (wellll......I > >> > couldn't think of > >> > > anything else on the spur of the moment and my horn doesn't > >> > work....) her > >> > > response was to shrug and proceed to take up the remaining 1/4 > of > >> > the > >> > > lane...........argh! > >> > > > >> > > marcy > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > _________________________________________ > >> > Collin and Penny Fagan > >> > LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard > >> > (202) 366-0067 (work) > >> > (703) 356-4279 (home) > >> > ICQ UIN: 435732 > >> > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ > >> > (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) > >> > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 12 11:33:13 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA19104; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 11:33:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA12059; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 00:32:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from italy.it.earthlink.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA06513; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 11:32:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from [153.35.88.175] (1Cust201.tnt2.tco2.da.uu.net [153.34.245.201]) by italy.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA19723 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 08:32:43 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: level_5_ltd@XXXXXX Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D37EB95@badge.tuckerflyer.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 11:34:53 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Alan Lapp Subject: Re: Sorry, Missed Sunday... Going through tolls on a bike with heavy gloves on is a royal >pain in the butt, though! > >- Jeannette Tape exact change to your gas tank. Al level_5_ltd@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 12 11:50:28 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA19417; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 11:50:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA12811; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 11:50:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA00523; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 11:50:19 -0500 (EST) From: Jinn Sinn Message-ID: <63fe6604.34ba49c5@aol.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 11:50:11 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: RE: Rude Cagers Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) In a message dated 1/12/98 10:54:12 AM, jlobrien@XXXXXX wrote: <> was that guy whose ass you thoroughly kicked? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 12 12:38:37 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA20170; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 12:38:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA13529; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 12:38:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA01853; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 12:38:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id MAA02112 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 12:37:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid02.mcit.com [166.37.221.14]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id MAA12384 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 12:37:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from LJTanner.mcit.com ([166.32.84.59]) by imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19980112173728.XBRN28757@XXXXXX> for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 11:37:28 -0600 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 12:37:26 -0500 Message-ID: <01BD1F56.D68C2840.linda.tanner@mci.com> From: Linda Tanner To: "Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: FW: Sorry, Missed Sunday... Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 12:37:24 -0500 Organization: MCI Telecommunications X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Speaking of things that are a pain on a bike... Our parking garage at work has cute little hangtags to get into the garage. I've finally convinced them that it is not practical on a motorcycle, so they just wave me through. Now, my gym is in a hotel and they are going to use the same scheme. Currently, I have to stop and take a ticket and have it validated. The hotel management has decided that they are killing too many trees, so they want us to have cute little hangtags. AARRRRRGGGGGHHHHH. I am probably they only person that rides into this garage so who knows how this will be resolved. Maybe I'll just (when I get to the entrance): 1) stop the bike 2) put down the kickstand (tricky - steep incline) 3) take off gloves 4) hunt through pockets - I've got 10 or 12 on my jacket 5) finally find card 6) wave it at the attendant 7) put card away 8) put gloves back on 9) put up kickstand 10) ride into lot Now, if the line to get in behind me isn't 10 cars long, I might have to do this more than once. What we go through for our chosen passion. LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze -----Original Message----- From: Alan Lapp [SMTP:level_5_ltd@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, January 12, 1998 11:35 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Sorry, Missed Sunday... Going through tolls on a bike with heavy gloves on is a royal >pain in the butt, though! > >- Jeannette Tape exact change to your gas tank. Al level_5_ltd@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 12 12:38:38 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA20175; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 12:38:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA13532; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 12:38:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.clark.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA01856; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 12:38:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from explorer.clark.net (louis@XXXXXX [168.143.0.7]) by mail.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA27456; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 12:38:13 -0500 (EST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Received: (from louis@localhost) by explorer.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA23983; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 12:38:03 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199801121738.MAA23983@explorer.clark.net> Subject: Re: Sunday Trip Report To: MEIERCH@XXXXXX (Meier, Christopher) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 12:38:02 -0500 (EST) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) In-Reply-To: <11D743514607D011A15500805FEA3464A45DC8@xcgva001.grumman.com> from "Meier, Christopher" at Jan 12, 98 04:58:02 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24alpha3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > I second that ... Great ride Steve. I guess MD _does_ have some good > roads! ;-) The roads were fantastic, even if we were a tad over 20% of the speed limit. (I'm a math major, I calculate these things! :-) ) > BTW, for those still interested ... the Coast racing was won by a gold > Volvo station wagon! Darn Volvos! One other thing I learned on the ride, or actually just before the ride, is that the tire plug kit I bought last year seems to work. (Someone got a screw in his tire) Sorry we had to verify it though (I forgot whose bike it was). Did the plug hold the whole way? Did you stay under the recommended 45 mph? At least now I have a better idea of how it works. It's one thing to read the directions, another to actually see it being done. Louis From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 12 12:48:55 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA20379; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 12:48:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA13794; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 12:48:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from m-net.arbornet.org by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA02089; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 12:48:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (bmccoy@localhost) by m-net.arbornet.org (8.8.5/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA17991 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 12:40:33 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 12:40:32 -0500 (EST) From: Brian McCoy To: DC-Cycles list Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I give up... I'm going home sick.. maybe tomorrow I can play somemore... Brian P. McCoy - 86' VF500fg (street) - 92/94 RS125 (race) bmccoy@XXXXXX (work) (301)210-8000 x 2155 (work) bmccoy@XXXXXX (personal) (301)445-4451 (home) www.geocities.com\motorcity\1319 (OLD Homepage - view at your own risk) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 12 13:13:34 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA21065; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 13:13:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA14598; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 13:13:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from DONALD.CDER.FDA.GOV by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA02827; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 13:13:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from mr.cder.fda.gov by fdaserv.cder.fda.gov (PMDF V5.1-8 #21467) id <01ISAGWW2BS08ZHZJ6@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 13:09:42 EST Received: with PMDF-MR; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 13:01:22 -0500 (EST) MR-Received: by mta DONALD; Relayed; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 13:01:22 -0500 Alternate-recipient: prohibited Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 13:01:47 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy Subject: parking garages Re: FW: Sorry, Missed Sunday... To: DC Cycles Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Posting-date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 13:01:48 -0500 (EST) Importance: normal Priority: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential UA-content-id: E1120IEV2SXM2 X400-MTS-identifier: [;22103121108991/2247420@FDACD] A1-type: MAIL Hop-count: 1 >Our parking garage at work has cute little hangtags to get into the >garage. I've finally convinced them that it is not practical on a >motorcycle, so they just wave me through. Now, my gym is in a hotel and >they are going to use the same scheme. Currently, I have to stop and take >a ticket and have it validated. The hotel management has decided that >they are killing too many trees, so they want us to have cute little >hangtags. AARRRRRGGGGGHHHHH. I am probably they only person that rides >into this garage so who knows how this will be resolved. One of our buildings uses your ID and a parking permit for the parking garage. After losing my ID and parking permit a couple of times I decided I'd try something I'd seen in the Roadcrafter (aerostich) catalog. On the left arm and left leg of the suit there's velcro to put map pockets. I bought a map pocket for my arm and I keep my ID and parking permit in there. Life is easy now. They've also got map pockets that don't require the velcro. Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 12 14:00:21 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA21986; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 14:00:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA15815; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 13:59:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA04356; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 13:59:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov ([137.187.221.31]) by dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov (8.8.5/8.7.2) with ESMTP id NAA19300; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 13:58:24 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <34BA6770.7C49CADA@dirsun1.nichd.nih.gov> Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 13:56:48 -0500 From: jay goddard X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Griff, David" , "cbxturbo@XXXXXX" , "\"Michael R. Cecchini\"" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: HELP 2 or more bike trailer needed Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey, Does anybody have a trailer that they would not mind lending to a stranger for the 23rd through 26th of January? I would be happy to rent, barter or what ever for it. It would be going to Roebling Road for a track day. Thanks ALOT, Jay Goddard 301-435-3427 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 12 14:00:24 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA21992; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 14:00:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA15855; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 14:00:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA04370; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 14:00:11 -0500 (EST) From: JD6201md Message-ID: <15e2a983.34ba639d@aol.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 13:40:28 EST To: balt-cycles@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: 1998 AMA District 7 events schedule Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Here's the AMA sanctioned events schedule for the MD-DC-DE area for '98. Road and off-road events are merged together. Enjoy! 1998 SCHEDULE OF EVENTS MARCH 1 MX - Start 8 AM - (Y-S-Q) Y Pts 4 Stroke & Vintage Pts Q Pts - Budds Creek MX Park, Budds Creek, MD(301)475-2000. 8 MX - Start 9 AM - MAMA Youth Only - Budds Creek MX Park, Budds Creek, MD(410)239-1908. 14 Short Track - Practice - Flea Market - 1 PM - Exp Pts Y Pts - (A-Y-S) Trail-Way Speedway, 100 Speedway Lane, Hanover, PA (717)359-4310. 15 Hare Scrambles - Start 10 AM (A-Q) HS Pts Q Pts Budds Creek MX Park, Budds Creek, MD(301)475-2000. 15 MX - Start 8 AM - (Y-S) Exp Pts - Budds Creek MX Park, Budds Creek, MD(301)475-2000. 15 MX - Start 11 AM - (A-Y-S) Double Track Points - Doublin Gap MX, Rt 696, Shippensburg, PA (717)249-6036. 15 MX - Start 9 AM - MAMA Youth Only - Happy Ramblers, 4340 Hanover Road, Route 116, Hanover, PA (410) 239-1908. 21 Short Track - Start - 1 PM - (A-Y-S) Exp Pts Y Pts - Trail-Way Speedway, 100 Speedway Lane, Hanover, PA (717)359-4310. 21 MX - AM/YOUTH QUALIFIER - Start 11 AM - (A-Y-S) Doublin Gap MX, Rt 696 - 6 miles North of Shippensburg, Newburg, PA (717)249-6036. 22 MX - AM/YOUTH QUALIFIER - Start 11 AM - (A-Y-S) Doublin Gap MX, Rt 696 - 6 miles North of Shippensburg, Newburg, PA (717)249-6036. 22 MX - Start 9 AM - MAMA Youth Only - Delaware Motor Sports, Seaford, DE (410)239-1908. 22 Hare Scrambles - Start 10:30AM - (A-Q) HS Pts Q Pts - Antietam MX Park, 2 miles East of Hagerstown on Howell Road, Hagerstown, MD (301)797-8686. 22 MX - Start 9 AM (A-Y-S-Q) Q Pts - Hyper Sports, Glengary, West Virginia (540) 888-4027. 22 Vintage Observed Trials - Start 12Noon - Western Maryland Motorcycle Assn., Pearre Road, Union Bridge, MD (410)775-7209. 22 ROAD MEET (Fun Run) - Start 10 AM - Motorcycle Accident Victims Foundation, Price's Corner, Rt 2, Newark, DE (800) MAV-3070. 28 Short Track - Start 1 PM - (A-Y-S) Exp Pts Y Pts - Trail-way Speedway, 100 Speedway Lane, Hanover, PA (717) 359-4310. 29 MX - Start 9 AM - (A-Y-S) - Happy Ramblers, 4340 Hanover Road, Route 116, Hanover, PA (717)633-7708. 29 MX - Start 8:30 AM - (A-Y-S) Exp Pts Y Pts - Middle Atlantic Moto-Cross Association, Seaford Speedway, County Rd 525, Seaford, DE (410)239-1908. APRIL 4 Short Track - Start 1PM - (A-Y-S) Exp Pts Y Pts - Trail-Way Speedway, 100 Speedway Lane, Hanover, PA (717)359-4310. 4 MX - AM/YOUTH QUALIFIER - Start 8AM (A-Y) Budds Creek MX Park, Budds Creek, MD (301) 475-2000. 5 MX - AM/YOUTH QUALIFIER - Start 8AM (A-Y-Q) - 4 Stroke & Vintage Pts Q Pts - Budds Creek MX Park, Budds Creek, MD (301) 475-2000. 5 MX - Start 11 AM - (A-Y-S) Y Pts - Doublin Gap MX Park, Rt 696, 6 miles North of Shippensburg, Newburg, PA (717) 249-6036. 5 Hare Scrambles - Start 11AM - (A-Q) HS Pts Q Pts - Budds Creek MX Park, Budds Creek, MD (301) 475-2000. 11 Short Track - Start 7PM - (A-Y-S) Exp Pts Y Pts - Trail-Way Speedway, 100 Speedway Lane, Hanover, PA (717)359-4310. 12 MX - Start 9AM - (A-Y-S) - Happy Ramblers, 4340 Hanover Road, Rt 116, Hanover, PA (717)633-7708. 18 Short Track - Start 7:30 PM - (A-Y-S) Exp Pts Y Pts - Delaware Motor Sport, Seaford Speedway, County Rd 525, Seaford, DE (302)422-8661. 19 MX - Start 10:30 AM - (A-Y-S) Y Pts 4 Stroke & Vintage Pts - Antietam MX Park, 2 miles East of Hagerstown on Howell Road, Hagerstown, MD (301)797-8686. 19 MX - Start 9AM - MAMA Youth Only - Budds Creek MX park, Budds Creek, Budds Creek, MD (410) 239-1908. 19 MX - Start 11AM - (A-Y-S) 5' Trophies - Sponsored by ORCS - Doublin Gap MX, Rt 696, 6 miles North of Shippensburg, Newburg, PA (717) 249-6036. 19 Hare Scrambles - Start 10AM - (A-Y-S-Q) HS Pts Q Pts - Western Maryland Off Road Riders, Cliffside Off Road Park, Rawlings, MD (301)724-6738. 19 Short Track - Start 9AM - (A-Y-S) Exp Pts Y Pts - Shippensburg Speedway, 180 Walnut Bottom Road, Shippensburg, PA (717) 796-0294. 25 Short Track - Start 7PM - (A-Y-S) Exp Pts Y Pts - Trail-Way Speedway, 100 Speedway Lane, Hanover, PA (717)359-4310. RAIN DATE 4/26 ONLY START 1PM. 26 MX - Start 9AM - MAMA Youth Only - Budds Creek MX Park, Budds Creek, MD(410)239-1908. 26 MX - Start 9AM - (A-Y-S) Exp Pts - Happy Ramblers, 4340 Hanover Road, Rt 116, Hanover, PA (717) 633-7708. 26 Hare Scrambles - Start 9AM - (A-Y-S) HS Pts - Delaware Enduro Riders, Gunning Bedford School, Delaware City, DE (302) 834-4411. 26 Road Meet (Poker Run) - Start 10AM - Baltimore Ramblers, 5513 Deer Park Road, Reisterstown, MD (410) 833-5795. MAY 2 Short Track - Start 5PM - (A-Y-S) Exp Pts Y Pts - Baltimore County Trail Riders, Potomac Speedway, Potomac, MD (410) 661-MOTO. 2 MX - Start 9AM - (A-Y-S-Q) Q Pts - Baltimore County Trail Riders, Budds Creek MX Park, Budds Creek, MD (410) 661-MOTO. 3 Blue/Gray MX - Start 9AM (A-Y-S-) Exp Pts Y Pts 4 Stroke & Vintage Pts - Baltimore County Trail Riders, Budds Creek MX Park, Budds Creek, MD (410) 661-MOTO. 3 Hare Scrambles - Start 10AM - (A-Q) HS Pts Q Pts - Budds Creek MX Park, Budds Creek, MD (410) 475-2000. 3 Road Meet (Dice Run) - Start 10AM - Blue Ridge Road Riders, Inc., JT Motorsports, 5848 Urbana Pike (Rt 355), Frederick, MD (410) 374-9687. 9 MX Practice - Start 11AM - (A-Y-S) - Doublin Gap MX Park, Rt 696 - 6miles North of Shippensburg, Newburg, PA (717) 249-6036. 9 Short Track - Start 7PM - (A-Y-S) - Exp Pts Y Pts - Trail-way Speedway, 100 Speedway Lane, Hanover, PA (717) 359-4310. 10 MX - Mama Youth Only - Start 11AM - Doublin Gap MX Park, Rt 696 - 6miles North of Shippensburg, Newburg, PA (410) 239-1908. 10 MX - Start 9AM - (A-Y-S) - Happy Ramblers MC Club, 4340 Hanover Road, Rt 116, Hanover, PA (717) 633-7708. 10 MX - Start 9AM - (A-Y-S-Q) - Hyper Sports MX Club, Glengary, WV (540) 888-4027 (304) 267-7852. 17 MX - Start 10:30AM - (A-Y-S) Exp Pts - Antietam MX Park, 2 miles East of Hagerstown on Howell Road, Hagerstown, MD (301) 797-8686. 17 MX - Mama Youth Only - Start 9AM - Budds Creek MX Park, Budds Creek, MD (410) 239-1908. 17 MX - Sponsored by Ephrata Cycle - Product Give-A-Way - Start 11AM - (A-Y-S) - Y Pts - Doublin Gap MX Park, Rt 696 - 6 miles North of Shippensburg, Newburg, PA (717) 249-6036. 17 MX - Start 9AM - (A-Q) Q Pts - Flying Dutchman MX Club - Rte 895, Pine Grove, PA (717) 345-6340. 17 Road Meet (CHARITY Poker Run) - Start 10AM - Diamonds MC Club, Dillards Restaurant, US 13, Seaford, DE (302) 398-9193. 23 Short Track - Start 3PM (A-Y-S) Exp Pts Y Pts - Two Wheels Promotions, Path Valley Speedway, Willow Hill, PA (717) 426-2910. 24 1/2 Mile - Start 3PM - (A-Y-S) Exp Pts Y Pts - Two Wheels Promotions, Port Royal Speedway, Rt 75, Port Royal, PA (717) 426-2910. 25 1/2 Mile - Start 9AM - (A-Y-S) Exp Pts Y Pts - Two Wheels Promotions, Port Royal Speedway, Rt 75, Port Royal, PA (717) 426-2910. 30 MX - Sponsored by JT Motorsports - Start 11AM - (A-Y-S) - Doublin Gap MX Park, Rt 696 - 6 miles North of Shippensburg, Newburg, PA (717) 249-6036. 30 Short Track - Start 7PM - (A-Y-S) Exp Pts Y Pts - Trail-Way Speedway, 100 Speedway Lane, Hanover, PA (717) 359-4310. 31 MX - Mama Youth Only - Start 9AM - Budds Creek MX Park, Budds Creek, MD (410) 239-1908. 31 MX - Sponsored by JT Motorsports - Product Give-A-Way - Start 11AM - Exp Pts 4 Stroke & Vintage Pts - Doublin Gap MX Park, Rt 696 - 6 miles North of Shippensburg, Newburg, PA (717) 249-6036. 31 Hare Scrambles - Start Noon for Bikes / 2PM Quads (A-Q) - HS Pts Q Pts - Hyper Sports MX Club, Glengary, WV (540) 888-4027 (304) 267-7852. JUNE 7 MX - Start 10:30AM - (A-Y-S) - Antietam MX Park, 2 miles East of Hagerstown on Howell Road, Hagerstown, MD (301) 797-8686. 7 MX - Start 9AM - (A-Y-S) - Y Pts - Happy Ramblers MC Club, 4340 Hanover Road, Hanover, PA (717) 633-7708. 7 MX - Mama Youth Only - Start 9AM - Hyper Sports MX Club, Glengary, WV (410) 239-1908. 7 Enduro - Start 8AM - Green Marble Enduro Riders, Cliffside Off Road Park, Rawlings, MD (410) 655-7958. 7 Road Meet (CHARITY Poker Run) Start 10AM - Blue Ridge Road Riders, JT Motorsports, 5848 Urbana Pike (Rte 355), Frederick, MD (410) 374-9687. 12 1/2 Mile Dirt Track - Start 3PM - (A-Y-S) Exp Pts - ABATE of Maryland, Cumberland Raceway, Cumberland, MD (301) 620-1162. 13 Short Track - Start 7PM - (A-Y-S) Exp Pts Y Pts - Trail-Way Speedway, 100 Speedway Lane, Hanover, PA (717) 359-4310. 14 MX - Mama Youth Only - Start 9AM - Happy Ramblers, 4340 Hanover Road, Rt 116, Hanover, PA (410) 239-1908. 14 MX - Start 9AM - (A-Y-S-Q) Exp Pts 4 Stroke & Vintage Pts Q Pts - Hyper Sports MX Club, Glengary, WV (540) 888-4027 (304) 267-7852. 14 Road Meet (Poker Run) - Start 10AM - Md. Comp. Riders, Cycle Connection, Rt 1 - Washington Blvd, Elkridge, MD (410) 781-7521. 19 MX - Start 6AM - (A-Y) - Budds Creek MX Park, Budds Creek, MD (301) 475-2000. 19 MX Night - Start 6PM - (A-Y) - Budds Creek MX Park, Budds Creek, MD (301) 475-2000. 20 MX - Start 6AM - (A-Y) - Budds Creek MX Park, Budds Creek, MD (301) 475-2000. 20 MX Night - Start 6PM - (A-Y) - Budds Creek MX Park, Budds Creek, MD (301) 475-2000. 20 Hare Scrambles - Start 10AM - (A-Y) - Budds Creek MX Park, Budds Creek, MD (301) 475-2000. 20 Road Meet (Poker Run) - Start 4PM - Baltimore Ramblers, 5513 Deer Park Road, Reisterstown, MD (410) 833-5795. 20 Short Track - Start 3PM - (A-Y-S) Exp Pts Y Pts - Two Wheel Promotions, Path Valley Speedway, Willow Hill, PA (717) 426-2910/4756. 26-28 Road Meet (Show/Rally) - Start 8AM - Mid-Atlantic Women's MC Rally, 5707 Kenwood Avenue, Balto, MD (410) 665-4928. 27 MX Practice Only - Start 11AM - Doublin Gap MX Park, Rt 696 - 6 miles North of Shippensburg, Newburg, PA (717) 249-6036. 27 Short Track - Start 7PM - (A-Y-S) Exp Pts Y Pts - Trail-Way Speedway, 100 Speedway Lane, Hanover, PA (717) 359-4310. 28 MEDALIST MX-District 7 - Start 11AM - (A-Y-S) EXP Pts Y Pts 4 Stroke & Vintage Pts - Double Gap MX Park, Rt 696 - 6 miles North of Shippensburg, Newburg, PA (717) 249-6036. 28 Hare Scrambles - Start 10AM - (A-Y-S-Q) HS Pts Q Pts - Western MD Off Road Riders, Cliffside Off Road Park, Rawlings, MD (301) 759-3237. 28 Road Meet - Start 9AM - Western Maryland M.A. - McDonalds, I 70 at Rt 17, Myersville, MD (410) 775-7209. JULY 11 MX Vintage Only Regional - Start 8AM - Budds Creek MX Park, Budds Creek, MD (301) 475-2000. 11 Short Track - Start 7PM - (A-Y-S) Exp Pts Y Pts - Trail-Way Speedway, 100 Speedway Lane, Hanover, MD (717) 359-4310. 12 MX - Start 8AM - (Y-S-Q) Exp Pts Y Pts Q Pts - Budds Creek MX Park, Budds Creek, MD (301) 475-2000. 12 Hare Scrambles - Start 11AM - (A-Q) HS Pts Q Pts - Budds Creek MX Park, Budds Creek, MD (301) 475-2000. 15 Short Track - Start 5PM - (A-Y-S) Exp Pts Y Pts - Baltimore County Trail Riders, Timonium State Fairgrounds, Timonium, MD (410) 661-MOTO. 18 Road Meet (National Poker Run) - Start 3PM - Baltimore Ramblers, 5513 Deer Park Road (Clubhouse), Reisterstown, MD (410) 833-5795. 18 Short Track - Start 3PM - (A-Y-S) Exp Pts Y Pts - Two Wheel Promotions, Path Valley Speedway, Willow Hill, PA (717) 426-2910. 19 MX - Mama Youth Only - Start 9AM - Budds Creek MX Park, Budds Creek, MD (410) 239-1908. 19 MX - Start 9AM - (A-Y-S) Y Pts - Hyper Sports MX Club, Glengary, WV (540) 888-4027 (304) 267-7852. 19 Road Meet (Scavenger Hunt) - Start 10AM - Diamond Motorcycle Club, US 13, Diamond Motor Sports Center, Camden,DE(302)398-9193. 22 Short Track - Start 5PM - (A-Y-S) Exp Pts Y Pts - Baltimore County Trail Riders, Timonium State Fairgrounds, Timonium, MD (410) 661-MOTO. 25 MX - Start 11AM - (A-Y-S) - Doublin Gap MX Park, Rt 696 - 6 miles North of Shippensburg, Newburg, PA (717) 249-6036. 25 Short Track - Start 7:30PM - (A-Y-S) Exp Pts Y Pts - Delaware MotorSports, Seaford Speedway, County Road 525, Seaford, DE (302) 422-8661. 26 MX - Sponsored by West Shore Suzuki - 4' Trophies - Start 11AM - (A-Y-S) Exp Pts - Doublin Gap MX Park, Rt 696 - 6 miles North of Shippensburg, Newburg, PA (717) 249-6036. 26 MX - Start 9AM - (A-Q) Quad Pts - Flying Dutchman MX Club, Rte 895, Pine Grove, PA (717) 345-6340. 29 Short Track - Start 5PM - (A-Y-S) Exp Pts Y Pts - Baltimore County Trail Riders, Timonium State Fairgrounds, Timonimum, MD (410) 661-MOTO. AUGUST 1 Short Track - Start 7:30PM - (A-Y-S) Exp Pts Y Pts - Delaware Motor Sport, Seaford Speedway, County Rd 525, Seaford, DE (302)422-8661. 2 MX - Start 8AM - (Y-S) - Budds Creek MX Park, Budds Creek, MD (301) 475-2000. 2 Hare Scrambles - Start 10AM - (A) HS Pts - Budds Creek MX Park, Budds Creek, MD (301) 475-2000. 5 Short Track - Start 5PM - (A-Y-S) Exp Pts Y Pts - Baltimore county Trail Riders, Timonium State Fairgrounds, Timonium, MD (410) 661-MOTO. 7-9 Road Meet (Poker Run-8/8) - Start Noon - Motorcycle Accident Victims Foundation, Uncle Bob's Fair Hill, Fair Hill, MD (800) MAV-3070. 8 Short Track - Start 7PM - (A-Y-S) Exp Pts Y Pts - Trail-Way Speedway, 100 Speedway Lane, Hanover, PA (717) 359-4310. 9 MX - Start 10:30AM - (A-Y-S) 4 Stroke & Vintage Pts - Antietam MX Park, 2 miles East of Hagerstown on Howell Road, Hagerstown, MD (301) 797-8686. 9 MX - Start 9AM - (A-Q) Quad Pts - Flying Dutchman MX Club, Rte 895, Pine Grove, PA (717) 345-6340. 9 Hare Scrambles - Start Noon for Bikes/2PM for Quads - (A-Q) Quad Pts - Hyper Sports MX Club, Glengary, WV (540) 888-4027 (304) 267-7852. 15 Short Track - Start 3PM - (A-Y-S) Exp Pts Y Pts - Two Wheel Promotions, Path Valley Speedway, Willow Hill, PA (717) 426-2910. 16 MX - Sponsored by Cumberland Kawasaki, Answer, Silkolene, Pierreli - 5 Trophies - Factory Contingencies - Start 11AM - (A-Y-S) - Doublin Gap MX Park, Rt 696 - 6 miles North of Shippensburg, Newburg, PA (717) 249-6036. 16 MX - Mama Youth Only - Start 9AM - Hyper Sports MX Club, Glengary, WV (410) 239-1908. 23 MX - Start 8AM - (Y-S-Q) Exp Pts Q Pts - Southern Maryland Dirt Riders, Budds Creek MX Park, Budds Creek, MD (301) 475-2000. 23 MX - Start 11AM - (A-Y-S) Y Pts - Doublin Gap MX Park, Rt 696 - 6 miles North of Shippensburg, Newburg, PA (717) 249-6036. 23 Road Meet (Poker Run) - Start 10AM - Blue Ridge Road Riders, JT Motorsports, 5848 Urbana Pike Rt 355, Frederick MD (410) 374-9687. 23 Short Track - Gates Open 9AM - (A-Y-S) Exp Pts Y Pts - Shippensburg MC, Shippensburg Speedway, 180 Walnut Bottom Road, Shippensburg, PA (717) 796-0294. 28 Short Track - Start 7PM - (A-Y-S) Exp Pts Y Pts - Trail-Way Speedway, 100 Speedway Lane, Hanover, PA (717)359-4310. 30 MX - Mama Youth Only - Start 9AM - Budds Creek MX Park, Budds Creek, MD (410) 239-1908. 30 MX - Start 9AM - (A-Y-S) Y Pts - Hyper Sports MX Club, Glengary, WV (540) 888-4027. 30 Hare Scrambles - Start 10AM (A-Y-S-Q) HS Pts Q Pts - Western Md Off Road Riders, Cliffside Off Road Park, Rawlings, MD (301) 724-6738. 30 Road Meet (Poker Run) - Start 12Noon - Antietam MX Park, 2 miles East of Hagerstown on Howell Road, Hagerstown, MD (301) 797-1607. SEPTEMBER 6 MX - Mama Youth Only - Start 9AM - Budds Creek MX Park, Budds Creek, MD (410) 239-1908. 6 MX - Start 9AM - (A-Q) Quad Pts - Flying Dutchman MX Club, Rte 895, Pine Grove, PA (717) 345-6340. 6 Short Track - Start 3PM - (A-Y-S) Exp Pts Y Pts - Shippensburg MC, Shippensburg Speedway, 180 Walnut Bottom Road, Shippensburg, PA (717) 796-0294. 12 MX Practice Only - Start 11AM - Doublin Gap MX Park, Rt 696 - 6 miles North of Shippensburg, Newburg, PA (717) 249-6036. 12 Short Track - Start 7PM - (A-Y-S) Exp Pts Y Pts - Trail-Way Speedway, 100 Speedway Lane, Hanover, PA (717) 359-4310. 13 MX - Mama Youth Only - Start 11AM - Doublin Gap MX Park, Rt 696 - 6 miles North of Shippensburg, Newburg, PA (410) 239-1908. 13 Champagne MX - Start 8AM - EXP Pts Y Pts 4 Stroke & Vintage Pts - Maryland Competition Riders, Happy Ramblers MX Track, 4340 Hanover Road, Rt 116, Hanover, PA (410)922-0334. 13 Road Meet (Vintage Poker Run) - Start 11AM - Western Maryland M.A., Community Park, Frederick Road (Rt 806), Thurmont, MD (410) 775-7209. 13 Road Meet (CHARITY - Parade) - Start 10AM - Pediatric Brain Tumor Foundation & Honda America, Columbia Mall, Columbia, MD (410) 268-7590. 19 Short Track - Start 7:30PM - (A-Y-S) Exp Pts Y Pts - Delaware Motor Sports, Seaford Speedway, County Road 525, Seaford, DE (302) 422-8661. 20 MX - Stan & Dorothy Miles Memorial - Start 10:30AM - (A-Y-S) Exp Pts - Antietam MX Park, 2 miles East of Hagerstown on Howell Road, Hagerstown, MD (301) 797-8686. 20 MX - Sponsored by Roxy's Kawasaki - 6' Trophies - Start 11AM - (A-Y-S) - Doublin Gap MX Park, Rt 696 - 6 miles North of Shippensburg, Newburg, PA (717) 249-6036. 20 Road Meet (Poker Run) - Start 10AM - Baltimore Ramblers, 5513 Deer Park Road, Reisterstown, MD (410) 833-5795. 26 Short Track - Start 7PM - (A-Y-S) Exp Pts Y Pts - Trail-Way Speedway, 100 Speedway Lane, Hanover, PA (717) 359-4310. RAIN DATE 9/27 ONLY - START 1PM 27 MX - Mama Youth Only - Start 9AM - Budds Creek MX Park, Budds Creek, MD (410) 239-1908. 27 MX - Start 9AM - (A-Y-S) Exp Pts Y Pts - Happy Ramblers, 4340 Hanover Road - Rt 116, Hanover, PA (717) 633-7708. 27 Road Meet (Post Office Run) Start 10AM - 4-Seasons Road Riders, Butler Fire Hall, Falls Road, Butler, MD (410)876-4510/(301)831-7189. OCTOBER 3 short Track - Start 7:30PM - (A-Y-S) Exp Pts Y Pts - Delaware Motor Sports, Seaford Speedway, County Road 525, Seaford, DE (302) 422-8661. 3 Hare Scrambles - Start 12 Noon - (A-S-Q) Quad Pts - Western Maryland Off Road Riders, Cliffside Off Road Park, Rawlings, MD (301) 724-6738. 4 Hare Scrambles - Start 12 Noon - (A-S) HS Pts - Western Maryland Off Road Riders, Cliffside Off Road Park, Rawlings, MD (301) 724-6730. 4 MX - Start 9AM - (A-Y-S-Q) - Hyper Sports MX Club, Glengary, WV (540)888-4027 (304) 267-7852. 4 MX - Mama Youth Only - Start 9AM - Seaford Speedway, County Road 525, Seaford, DE (410) 239-1908. 4 Road Meet (Poker Run) - Start 10AM - Maryland Competition Riders, Roy Rogers, Ridgeville Boulevard, Mt. Airy, MD(410) 781-7521. 10 Short Track - Practice & Flea Market - Start 1PM - (A-Y-S) Exp Pts Y Pts - Trail-Way Speedway, 100 Speedway Lane, Hanover, PA (717)359-4310. RAIN DATE 10/11 1PM 11 MX - Start 9AM - (A-Y-S) - Happy Ramblers Motorcycle Club, 4340 Hanover Road, Rt 116, Hanover, PA (717) 633-7708. 11 MX - Start 8:30AM - (A-Y-S-Q) Exp Pts Y Pts Q Pts - Middle Atlantic Moto- Cross Association, Seaford Speedway, Seaford, DE (410) 239-1908. 11 Hare Scrambles (ECEA) - Start - Bikes Noon/Quads 3PM - (A-Q) ECEA Pts HS Pts Quad Pts - Md Competition Riders, Budds Creek MX Park, Budds Creek, MD(301)475-2000. 17 Short Track - Start 3PM - (A-Y-S) Exp Pts Y Pts - Two Wheel Promotions, Path Valley Speedway, Willow Hill, PA (717) 426-2910/4756. 18 MX - Start 10:30AM - (A-Y-S) Y Pts - Antietam MX Park, 2 miles East of Hagerstown on Howell Road, Hagerstown, MD (301)797-8686. 18 MX - Start 9AM - Mama Youth Only - Happy Ramblers, 4340 Hanover Road, Rt 116, Hanover, PA (410) 239-1908. 18 Road Meet (DISTRICT 7 POKER RUN) Start 10AM - Park & Ride, Rt 27 & 30, Manchester, MD (410) 374-9687. ?? To end at MX ????? 24 Short Track - Start 7:30PM - (A-Y-S) Exp Pts Y Pts - Delaware Motor Sport, Seaford Speedway, County Rd 525, Seaford, DE (302) 422-8661. 24 Maryland State Championship - Start 9AM - (A-Y-S No Quads) MAMA Youth- Budds Creek MX Park, Budds Creek, MD(410) 239-1908. 25 Maryland State Championship - Start 8AM - (A-Y-S No Quads) Exp Pts 4 Stroke & Vintage Pts - Budds Creek MX Park, Budds Creek, MD(410) 239-1908. 25 MX - Start 11AM - (A-Y-S) Doublin Gap MX, Rt 696 - 6 miles North of Shippensburg, Newburg, PA (717) 249-6036. 25 Enduro - Start 7AM - (A) Delaware Enduro Riders, Governor Bacon Health Center, Delaware City, DE (302) 834-4411. NOVEMBER 1 MX - Start 8AM - (Y-S) Budds Creek MX Park, Budds Creek, MD (301) 475-2000. 1 MX - Start 11AM - (A-Y-S) Doublin Gap MX, Rt 696 - 6 miles North of Shippensburg, Newburg, PA (717) 249-6036. 1 MX - Start 9AM - (A-Y-S-Q) Quad Pts - Hyper Sports MX Club, Glengary, WV (540) 888-4027 (304) 267-7852. 8 MX - Start 8AM - (Y-S) Budds Creek MX Park, Budds Creek, MD (301) 475-2000. 8 MX - Start 9AM - (A-Y-S) Happy Ramblers, 4340 Hanover Road, Rt 116, Hanover, PA (717)633-7708. 8 Hare Scrambles - Start 10:30AM - (A-Q) - HS Pts - Antietam MX Park, 2 miles East of Hagerstown on Howell Road, Hagerstown, MD (301) 797-8686. 15 MX - Start 11AM - (A-Y-S) Doublin Gap MX, Rt 696 - 6 miles North of Shippensburg, Newburg, PA (717) 249-6036. JANUARY 1999 3 Hare Scrambles - Start 12 Noon/Quads 3PM - (A-Q) Maryland Competition Riders, Antietam MX Park, 2 miles East of Hagerstown on Howell Road, Hagerstown, MD (410) 922-0334. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 12 14:45:46 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA22713; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 14:45:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA18638; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 14:45:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from widgetworks.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA05597; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 14:45:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (from peter@localhost) by widgetworks.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) id OAA22205; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 14:45:06 -0500 (EST) From: Peter Johansson Message-Id: <199801121945.OAA22205@widgetworks.com> Subject: Re: 1998 AMA District 7 events schedule To: JD6201md@XXXXXX (JD6201md) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 14:45:06 -0500 (EST) Cc: balt-cycles@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <15e2a983.34ba639d@aol.com> from JD6201md at "Jan 12, 98 01:40:28 pm" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit JD writes: > Here's the AMA sanctioned events schedule for the MD-DC-DE area for '98. Road > and off-road events are merged together. Enjoy! Thanks once again for sending this off to the list. I couldn't find an events listing on the AMA web site, so I converted the list to HTML and put it up on the balt-cycles home page as I have done in previous years. For those who are not aware, there is a very minimal balt-cycles home page at: http://www.widgetworks.com/~peter/balt-cycles/ If anyone is interested on adding anything to this page, please contact me and I'll set you up. Peter Johansson peter@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 12 15:13:26 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA23230; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 15:13:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA19326; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 15:13:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA06207; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 15:12:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id PAA06673; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 15:12:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid02.mcit.com [166.37.221.14]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA03218; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 15:12:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19980112201220.XRSB28757@[166.41.242.141]>; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 14:12:20 -0600 Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 15:04 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: Kirk Roy CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: parking garages Re: FW: Sorry, Missed Sunday... X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980112201220.XRSB28757@[166.41.242.141]> > >Our parking garage at work has cute little hangtags to get into the > >garage. I've finally convinced them that it is not practical on a > >motorcycle, so they just wave me through. Now, my gym is in a hotel and > >they are going to use the same scheme. Currently, I have to stop and take > >a ticket and have it validated. The hotel management has decided that > >they are killing too many trees, so they want us to have cute little > >hangtags. AARRRRRGGGGGHHHHH. I am probably they only person that rides > >into this garage so who knows how this will be resolved. > >One of our buildings uses your ID and a parking permit for the parking >garage. After losing my ID and parking permit a couple of times I decided >I'd try something I'd seen in the Roadcrafter (aerostich) catalog. On the >left arm and left leg of the suit there's velcro to put map pockets. I >bought a map pocket for my arm and I keep my ID and parking permit in >there. Life is easy now. > >They've also got map pockets that don't require the velcro. Though flashing the tag is a problem, one Kirk has figured out, what about when your in the parking space? Don't you have to hang it on your rear-view for the security people to verify you? We don't have this problem (I park in the same work garage as Linda), and no one has ever complained. I think because the security knows my bike. Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 12 17:25:44 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA25923; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 17:25:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from ringding.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA25275; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 17:25:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net by ringding.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA26348; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 17:25:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from default ([12.68.77.83]) by mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA27941; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 22:24:29 +0000 Reply-To: "kevin thomas" From: "kevin thomas" To: "Linda Tanner" , "Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: Re: Sorry, Missed Sunday... Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 17:21:12 -0500 Message-ID: <01bd1fa8$645e2460$534d440c@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Linda-- U of MD has hanging parking permits you put on the rear view mirror. For motorcycles and convertibles, they have stickers. Maybe you could put one on a fork tube or rear fender. You can probably get a sticker made that replicates their tag for a few bucks, since the garage won't want to provide one for you. Later Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 12 18:54:24 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA27324; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 18:54:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA27695; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 18:54:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA02687; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 18:54:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (spg-tnt24s107.erols.com [207.172.118.107]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA01439 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 18:56:07 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <34BAAC97.121704C2@geocities.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 18:51:52 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Toll Booth Strategy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As Al said, Tape the individual tolls to your leg or tank. You get some strange looks from the toll booth operators, but it makes for a quick and easy passage even with heavy gloves on. -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 12 19:06:58 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA27456; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 19:06:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA27823; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 19:06:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from sweden.it.earthlink.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA02956; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 19:06:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from [153.34.247.235] (1Cust165.tnt4.tco2.da.uu.net [153.35.88.165]) by sweden.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA18829 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 16:06:42 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: level_5_ltd@XXXXXX Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199801121738.MAA23983@explorer.clark.net> References: <11D743514607D011A15500805FEA3464A45DC8@xcgva001.grumman.com> from "Meier, Christopher" at Jan 12, 98 04:58:02 am Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 19:08:20 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Alan Lapp Subject: Re: Sunday Trip Report >One other thing I learned on the ride, or actually just before the ride, >is that the tire plug kit I bought last year seems to work. (Someone >got a screw in his tire) Yes Louis, that would be me. I have to thank you for the use of your kit, otherwise, I'd have had to go home instead of riding with the group. >Sorry we had to verify it though (I forgot whose >bike it was). Did the plug hold the whole way? It certainly seems to have. I rode it today, and got caught in the sleet this afternoon. >Did you stay under the >recommended 45 mph? Sure... of course. I'll sell you some Arizona ocean-side property if you believe that. >At least now I have a better idea of how it works. The big thing is to ream the hole first to get any contaminants out. The glue won't seal well if the patch is dirty. If you drop the plug on the ground, throw it away. >It's one thing to read the directions, another to actually see it being done. I'm glad *someone* enjoyed it! Al level_5_ltd@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 12 22:07:37 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA29264; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 22:07:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA29516; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 22:06:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.mnsinc.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA05907; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 22:06:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay.mnsinc.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA24694 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 22:06:53 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <34BB04EE.53D@mnsinc.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 22:08:46 -0800 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Dulles Toll Road Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jeannette wrote: > Going through tolls on a bike with heavy gloves on is a royal > pain in the butt, though! And John Whiteside asked: > What do other folks do? > A friend of a friend supposedly mounted his fastoll box to his > windscreen and it works -- I tried this and it didn't at all. A buddy of mine had the FastToll box on his Concours and said he got just about up to 40 mph zipping through there. (I know it says 10 mph ;) Me, I'm a cheapskate. I regularly go to the Exact Change Only lane, making sure I have the requisite 4 bits in the side pouch of the tank bag. Then - invariably - I find quarters lying on the ground. Sidestand out, glove quickly off, pick up spare change, toss it in, and Sayonara baby. If there are more than two I leave them for the next cheapskate ;^D However, I was once berated by a toll booth worker for stealing from the state. I told him to call a cop. If it ain't down the chute, it's finders-keepers AFAIC. JK From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 00:31:58 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA01448; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 00:31:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA02296; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 00:31:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA00583; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 00:31:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-30.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.71]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA19773 for ; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 00:31:19 -0500 Message-ID: <000401bd1fe4$b4aa34e0$4710b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "dc-cycles" Subject: Re: Dulles Toll Road Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 00:32:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 A pain in the digits, the toll business. From Brookstone have a little 4-coin-type dispenser (holds about 20 of each) that is kept handy (in a little open fork bag or pocket). Cheaper, smaller at Trak. Can work with one un- or lightly- gloved hand, pushing out one coin at a time, turning it if necessary, or just lend it to moneyperson. Newly elusive payphone dimes right there too. Bay Bridge, etc., still require financial planning. Bill Swanson -----Original Message----- From: John C. Kozyn Date: Monday, January 12, 1998 10:13 PM >Jeannette wrote: > >> Going through tolls on a bike with heavy gloves on is a royal >> pain in the butt, though! > >And John Whiteside asked: > >> What do other folks do? > >> A friend of a friend supposedly mounted his fastoll box to his >> windscreen and it works -- I tried this and it didn't at all. > >A buddy of mine had the FastToll box on his Concours and said he got >just about up to 40 mph zipping through there. (I know it says 10 mph ;) > >Me, I'm a cheapskate. I regularly go to the Exact Change Only lane, >making sure I have the requisite 4 bits in the side pouch of the tank >bag. Then - invariably - I find quarters lying on the ground. Sidestand >out, glove quickly off, pick up spare change, toss it in, and Sayonara >baby. If there are more than two I leave them for the next cheapskate >;^D > >However, I was once berated by a toll booth worker for stealing from the >state. I told him to call a cop. If it ain't down the chute, it's >finders-keepers AFAIC. > >JK > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 00:36:13 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA01514; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 00:36:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA02423; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 00:36:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA00620; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 00:36:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.123] (unverified [207.226.128.123]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 00:40:37 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: tire vendors, balancers, mounters... Date: Tue, 13 Jan 98 00:36:06 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" In this afternoon's lovely weather, the current state of my back tire reared it's ugly head. Nothing dangerous happened, but the handling is clearly diminished. Didn't seem so bad in the dry, but I am now convinced that this weekend's project should be replacing the tire. Now, I was all set to buy from the closest local place, and let them mount and balance the sucker. Call me crazy, but I thought $50 ($100 if I bought the tire elsewhere) was a tad bit extreme. I've read a few articles online, and a few folks on the list have done it before. Anybody care to offer up any advice on what tools are necessary, and the procedure to follow? Also, any info on better priced vendors? I'm willing to stick with someone I've done business with in the past, but I've sent a hell of a lot of money to Atlantic Cycle and Power this year, and this tire scam seems to be a major shaft. ``` (o o) *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| *--------------------------oooO------------* |__||__| || || ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 00:36:23 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA01519; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 00:36:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA02431; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 00:36:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA00627; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 00:36:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.123] (unverified [207.226.128.123]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 00:40:47 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: apple warmers Date: Tue, 13 Jan 98 00:36:16 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "RDWOODJR" , , cc: "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >George has 24 hours to reserve #3. This *is* a limited offer! >Just e-mail me shipping addresses, guys. No need to visit *___* forsaken >Brandywine unless you would like to sit on my deck and view three hundred >acres of birds, squirrels, foxes and deer. And I only own 3 acres of it. >Crap, >now someone's building a house I can see, 1/4 mile away. There goes the >neighborhood. I want it, I want it!!! And I only live about 10 minutes from Brandywine!!!! (Plus, to be honest, I want to see the Magna so that if I see it out while I'm on the bike....) ``` (o o) *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| *--------------------------oooO------------* |__||__| || || ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 00:40:34 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA01546; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 00:40:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA02697; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 00:40:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA00657; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 00:40:27 -0500 (EST) From: Hal Message-ID: <5e474855.34bafc5e@aol.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 00:32:13 EST To: jckozyn@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Dulles Toll Road Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) In a message dated 1/12/98 10:15:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, jckozyn@XXXXXX writes: > A buddy of mine had the FastToll box on his Concours and said he got > just about up to 40 mph zipping through there. (I know it says 10 mph ;) I ride this road ever day. I have my fast toll in a Cycloactive Barpack...it's cool,. it just snaps on and off the cross bar of my bike. I can take the booths at about 40, unless some total MORON stops in the fasttoll lane. Then you find out what they mean by oil strip in a hurry. Hal 1997 BMW R1100GSA (Black) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 08:35:46 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA06369; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 08:35:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA16970; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 08:35:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA05831; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 08:35:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.02c) id AD745610298; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 08:34:47 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980113082539.00952e60@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 08:25:39 -0500 To: "Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: FW: Sorry, Missed Sunday... In-Reply-To: <01BD1F56.D68C2840.linda.tanner@mci.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:37 PM 1/12/98 -0500, Linda Tanner wrote: Currently, I have to stop and take a ticket and have >it validated. The hotel management has decided that they are killing too >many trees, so they want us to have cute little hangtags. > AARRRRRGGGGGHHHHH. I am probably they only person that rides into this >garage so who knows how this will be resolved. Maybe I'll just (when I get >to the entrance): >1) stop the bike >2) put down the kickstand (tricky - steep incline) >3) take off gloves >4) hunt through pockets - I've got 10 or 12 on my jacket >5) finally find card >6) wave it at the attendant >7) put card away >8) put gloves back on >9) put up kickstand >10) ride into lot Ugh. Could you clip it to your windshield (just for the ride in). How about a clear plastic pouch like the Aerostich left-forearm pouch, or the straps-on-your-arm plastic pouch for wearing a security badge? If you have a tankbag, maybe you could put it in the map pocket on top of the tank bag; I've done that before. I remember a campsite attendant who wanted me to put a peel-and-stick sticker on my windshield, because that's what they had the car drivers do! Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 08:35:46 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA06370; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 08:35:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA16969; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 08:35:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA05827; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 08:35:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.02c) id AD765610298; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 08:34:46 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980113081006.009529a0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 08:10:06 -0500 To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Paying Tolls [was: Sorry, Missed Sunday... In-Reply-To: <7F151D3C3920D111859A080009D806396E6C43@HRNEXCH1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:43 AM 1/12/98 -0500, Whiteside, John wrote: >Re: Tolls > >This is one of the thing that keeps me from riding into work as much -- >that #$$@ Dulles Toll Road. It's not too bad with lighter gloves -- I >keep a bunch of quarters in a pouch on my tank bag -- but I haven't >tried it with the winter gloves yet. > >What do other folks do? > >A friend of a friend supposedly mounted his fastoll box to his >windscreen and it works -- I tried this and it didn't at all. Why wouldn't a FasToll work? I wonder if the system has to sense a vehicle, and unless the bike is positioned right over the wire of the coil, the system doesn't look for a FasToll box. Anybody know? For having toll money, I have used binder clips (like for holding 20-30 sheets of paper together). I attach the clips to the brake master cylinder reservoir, the fuse box in the center of the handlebars, and anywhere else there's a screw. I put one toll's worth of money in each clip. That makes it relatively easy to pay at the toll booth (agreed that winter gloves make it harder). Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 08:35:46 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA06371; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 08:35:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA16968; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 08:35:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA05826; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 08:35:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.02c) id AD775610298; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 08:34:47 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980113081526.00952e60@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 08:15:26 -0500 To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Rude Cagers In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I think I remember reading about that in the paper. They found HALF a body. The other half was NEVER FOUND! Chris Norloff At 08:09 AM 1/12/98 -0800, Viteri, Ursulina wrote: >Did they ever find his carcass? : - ) > >Ursulina Viteri >202-416-6534 * Fax 202-223-9095 >AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. - Washington, DC > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: O'Brien, Jeannette [SMTP:jlobrien@XXXXXX] >>Sent: Monday, January 12, 1998 7:46 AM >>To: 'Whiteside, John'; dc-cycles@XXXXXX >>Subject: RE: Rude Cagers >> >>I agree with you in general. I've only had psychos so far in VA, but >>then again, I did get attacked once in DC when someone tried to run me >>over! I taught him, though!! hee hee hee >> >>- Jeannette >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Whiteside, John [SMTP:jwhiteside@XXXXXX] >>> Sent: Monday, January 12, 1998 10:33 AM >>> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >>> Subject: RE: Rude Cagers >>> >>> Actually I find the drivers in Virginia a lot scarier than in the >>> District.... >>> >>> --John Whiteside, Virginia commuter, District resident (for a few more >>> weeks) >>> >>> >>> > -----Original Message----- >>> > From: Collin T. Fagan [SMTP:gixer@XXXXXX] >>> > Sent: Friday, January 09, 1998 6:40 PM >>> > To: Jinn Sinn >>> > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >>> > Subject: Re: Rude Cagers >>> > >>> > Normally if I can avoid them in general I do and just chalk up >>> another >>> > idiotic >>> > move to BDC's....But if they're getting close and the 132db horn >>> does >>> > not dissuade >>> > them, I've been known on numerous occasions (yeah I go into the >>> > district daily) to >>> > plant a size 10 steel toed/shanked boot hard into the nearest body >>> > panel....(then >>> > I head for the nearest escape path and put some distance between me >>> > and them to >>> > avoid the aforementioned psychopaths)... And yes, nothing makes a >>> > statement like a >>> > COLT!!!! >>> > Collin >>> > >>> > Jinn Sinn wrote: >>> > >>> > > ok...this morning, riding to work on the parkway (Rock Creek) the >>> > lanes are >>> > > merging cause some idiot is blocking traffic in one lane. I'm in >>> the >>> > left >>> > > lane, car in the right lane and slightly BEHIND me (so she >>> > DEFINATELY SAW >>> > > ME)......pulls about 3/4 of the way into my lane forcing me to go >>> > left into >>> > > the left-turn lane where fortunately there were no other >>> cars....her >>> > window >>> > > was down, my visor was up and I yelled "Hey!" (wellll......I >>> > couldn't think of >>> > > anything else on the spur of the moment and my horn doesn't >>> > work....) her >>> > > response was to shrug and proceed to take up the remaining 1/4 of >>> > the >>> > > lane...........argh! >>> > > >>> > > marcy >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > -- >>> > _________________________________________ >>> > Collin and Penny Fagan >>> > LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard >>> > (202) 366-0067 (work) >>> > (703) 356-4279 (home) >>> > ICQ UIN: 435732 >>> > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ >>> > (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) >>> > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 08:45:48 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA06479; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 08:45:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA17708; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 08:45:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from draco.eisi.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA06041; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 08:45:39 -0500 (EST) Received: by draco.eisi.com; id IAA09094; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 08:45:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from unknown(10.3.1.4) by draco.eisi.com via smap (3.2) id xma009073; Tue, 13 Jan 98 08:45:20 -0500 Received: by HRNEXCH1 with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 08:45:20 -0500 Message-ID: <7F151D3C3920D111859A080009D806396E6C4E@HRNEXCH1> From: "Whiteside, John" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Paying Tolls [was: Sorry, Missed Sunday... Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 08:45:18 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain re: why won't the Fastoll work on a bike I don't know! But when I tried it it was red lights, bells going off, etc., and this was at about 10 mph (I was going slow because it was the first time I tried it). John Whiteside Marketing Specialist EIS Marketing Dept. Phone: (703) 736-8386 * Fax (703) 787-6720 jwhiteside@XXXXXX http://www.eisi.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Norloff [SMTP:cnorloff@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 1998 8:10 AM > To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > Subject: RE: Paying Tolls [was: Sorry, Missed Sunday... > > At 10:43 AM 1/12/98 -0500, Whiteside, John wrote: > >Re: Tolls > > > >This is one of the thing that keeps me from riding into work as much > -- > >that #$$@ Dulles Toll Road. It's not too bad with lighter gloves -- I > >keep a bunch of quarters in a pouch on my tank bag -- but I haven't > >tried it with the winter gloves yet. > > > >What do other folks do? > > > >A friend of a friend supposedly mounted his fastoll box to his > >windscreen and it works -- I tried this and it didn't at all. > > Why wouldn't a FasToll work? I wonder if the system has to sense a > vehicle, and unless the bike is positioned right over the wire of the > coil, > the system doesn't look for a FasToll box. Anybody know? > > For having toll money, I have used binder clips (like for holding > 20-30 > sheets of paper together). I attach the clips to the brake master > cylinder > reservoir, the fuse box in the center of the handlebars, and anywhere > else > there's a screw. I put one toll's worth of money in each clip. That > makes > it relatively easy to pay at the toll booth (agreed that winter gloves > make > it harder). > > Chris Norloff > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 08:46:24 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA06491; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 08:46:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA17723; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 08:46:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from sweden.it.earthlink.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA06056; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 08:46:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from [153.34.240.141] (1Cust141.tnt1.tco2.da.uu.net [153.34.240.141]) by sweden.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA28957 for ; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 05:46:10 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: level_5_ltd@XXXXXX Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 08:48:22 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Alan Lapp Subject: Re: tire vendors, balancers, mounters... >Now, I was all set to buy from the closest local place, and let them >mount and balance the sucker. Call me crazy, but I thought $50 ($100 if I >bought the tire elsewhere) was a tad bit extreme. I'd have to agree. There are only about 15 or 20 MC shops in the DC metro area. I'd say that your time would be well spent to find a shop with reasonable pricing on both the tire and the mounting. It sounds like the shop you mentioned is cutting tire prices, but making it up in service. Personally, I wouldn't attempt to mount and balance a MC tire at home. I just acquired a manual bead breaker/tire changer, but won't be playing with it until I get (or build) a balancer. In the early 70s, my brother had a near-fatal accident (on his 69' Honda 750 K0... which I wish I had now) because the tire wasn't balanced correctly. Granted, it was at extra-legal speeds... Al level_5_ltd@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 09:11:32 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA06814; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 09:11:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA19965; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 09:11:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from xgate.usia.gov by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA06595; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 09:11:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from Connect2 Message Router by xgate.usia.gov via Connect2-SMTP 4.31.02; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 09:07:36 -0500 Message-ID: <1A87BB3401BD1160@xgate.usia.gov> In-Reply-To: <0C87BB3401BD1160@xgate.usia.gov> Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 9:08:54 -0500 From: "Adams, Bill" Sender: "Adams, Bill" Organization: USIA To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC Cycles) Subject: DIY Tyres Importance: High X-SMF-Hop-Count: 2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Connect2-SMTP 4.31.02 MHS/SMF to SMTP Gateway The biggest challenge to replacing a tyre yourself is getting the wheel off the bike. After that, you only need to break the bead, either with your handy-dandy c-clamp or a purpose-built tool from the MC shop. A pair of tyre levers helps get the offending rubber off the rim, and coaxes the new into place. Assuming that the tyres are tubeless, you're done. You need only get the tyre lightly seated on the rim and force air into same to get it to go the rest of the way. If you are a racer-boy, then by all means take the assembly to a shop for balancing. Elsewise, you shouldn't need to as most tires are balanced at the factory good enough for most riding speeds. Bill Adams 3D Artist/Animator '66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon, '81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard: "Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 09:31:42 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA07081; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 09:31:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA22014; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 09:31:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from m-net.arbornet.org by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA06990; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 09:31:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (bmccoy@localhost) by m-net.arbornet.org (8.8.5/8.8.6) with SMTP id IAA13758 for ; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 08:35:14 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 08:35:13 -0500 (EST) From: Brian McCoy cc: DC Cycles Subject: Re: tire vendors, balancers, mounters... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > In this afternoon's lovely weather, the current state of my back tire > reared it's ugly head. Nothing dangerous happened, but the handling is > clearly diminished. Didn't seem so bad in the dry, but I am now convinced > that this weekend's project should be replacing the tire. You and me both - I took off from work yesterday - and took a nap. When I woke up I went for a rear tire... Sucks that I paid $105 for a $90 tire - but then again, I only paid $7 for mount and balance. pluss it's to a local shop, so I don't mind as much... it kinda seems that the more I spend there, the better the deals get. Nice that it's a small shop so everyone knows me. I had some fun getting to work this morning though - I didn't get a chance to scrub the tire yesterday, so I had a 0mile rear on cold wet streets.. and all of you condem me for 'playing' and kicking my tire out in normal conditions - at least I don't freak out when caught in these situations.. I must say that I didn't play very hard on the way to work.. but it should clear up this afternoon - and I have some errends to run - hrm, I know of some twisties in that general direction too...... .....snipped rest of big scam story..... Brian P. McCoy - 86' VF500fg (street) - 92/94 RS125 (race) bmccoy@XXXXXX (work) (301)210-8000 x 2155 (work) bmccoy@XXXXXX (personal) (301)445-4451 (home) www.geocities.com\motorcity\1319 (OLD Homepage - view at your own risk) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 09:32:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA07100; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 09:32:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA22090; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 09:32:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA07035; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 09:32:32 -0500 (EST) From: MARKSOMM Message-ID: <6a6fb54.34bb7ada@aol.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 09:31:53 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: ghowell@XXXXXX Subject: For sale Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Sorry to get commercial here but I ran into a really nice guy in his 70's in a parking lot. He said he had a bike to sell and I told him I would ask around. 1966 Triumph 650 excellent shape- 39k- lots of extras- chrome pipes and forks, etc. etc.- recent valve job- $2300/offer- (703) 256-0547 He seemed very honest and the bike sounded in great shape. He said that he bought it for his son but the kid had trouble with it. He had to have a lot of work done at the shop on it and the son didn't want it anymore so he was selling it. I also noticed a trailer nearby that looked like it would easily set up to haul bikes [more than a couple.] It had a sign reading $950. If anyone wants the number let me know and I will get it for you. Mark From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 09:39:23 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA07189; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 09:39:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA22317; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 09:39:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA07184; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 09:39:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay2.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id JAA21775; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 09:39:10 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 09:37:36 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D37EBDB@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Considerate Cagers!! Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 09:36:45 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Wow, believe it or not, they do exist! This morning I was trying to cross a busy intersection in Arlington (4 lanes, traffic both ways, median in the middle) and I'd made it to the median & was waiting to cross. The traffic was damn heavy & steady, but all of a sudden, out of nowhere, a car slows down & flashes his lights at me to let me in!! Amazing! Of course, I immediately figured he must be a biker. I guess it wouldn't be so amazing if it wasn't the first time in 5 months something like this has happened!! - Jeannette From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 09:51:40 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA07315; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 09:51:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA22563; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 09:51:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA07436; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 09:51:32 -0500 (EST) From: Jinn Sinn Message-ID: Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 09:46:36 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Newbie in the rain Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) well...even without electrics or leather pants, I've been tooling about in these little sprinkles we've been getting without any mishaps so far (knock on wood) but I have a question....does it make it less slippery for me if I drive in the tire tracks the cars leave or is it better to stay in the middle of the lane or does it not matter? Marcy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 09:56:21 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA07393; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 09:56:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA22727; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 09:56:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA07535; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 09:56:14 -0500 (EST) From: Jinn Sinn Message-ID: <73f6e72f.34bb7f04@aol.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 09:49:38 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Considerate Cagers!! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) he probably took pity on your crazy soul....out there, exposed to the elements, in the pouring rain......probably figured you'd get back to your asylum all the sooner if he let you go ahead ;D marcy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 10:00:13 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07504; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:00:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA22764; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 09:59:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA07701; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 09:59:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay2.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id JAA28349; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 09:59:53 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 09:58:18 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D37EBE3@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Jinn Sinn'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Newbie in the rain Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 09:57:28 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain I've been told to always ride in the tire tracks in the rain. Also, I've been told NEVER to ride in the center of the lane if you can help it (unless avoiding obstacles, etc.)... - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Jinn Sinn [SMTP:JinnSinn@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 1998 9:47 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Newbie in the rain > > well...even without electrics or leather pants, I've been tooling > about in > these little sprinkles we've been getting without any mishaps so far > (knock on > wood) but I have a question....does it make it less slippery for me if > I drive > in the tire tracks the cars leave or is it better to stay in the > middle of the > lane or does it not matter? > > Marcy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 10:06:50 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07590; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:06:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA22934; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:06:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from DONALD.CDER.FDA.GOV by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07871; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:06:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from mr.cder.fda.gov by fdaserv.cder.fda.gov (PMDF V5.1-8 #21467) id <01ISBON3Z9AO8ZI8VY@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:06:10 EST Received: with PMDF-MR; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:01:30 -0500 (EST) MR-Received: by mta DONALD; Relayed; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:01:30 -0500 Alternate-recipient: prohibited Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:01:56 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy Subject: Re: Considerate Cagers!! To: DC Cycles Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Posting-date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:01:56 -0500 (EST) Importance: normal Priority: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential UA-content-id: E1296IEW25FGE X400-MTS-identifier: [;03100131108991/2250290@FDACD] A1-type: MAIL Hop-count: 1 >Wow, believe it or not, they do exist! This morning I was trying to >cross a busy intersection in Arlington (4 lanes, traffic both ways, >median in the middle) and I'd made it to the median & was waiting to >cross. The traffic was damn heavy & steady, but all of a sudden, out of >nowhere, a car slows down & flashes his lights at me to let me in!! >Amazing! Of course, I immediately figured he must be a biker. My only accident was in a similar situation... I was let in but another guy (in the other lane) made a very aggressive move while I moved into the lane and BAM!, I was doing somersaults. I landed on my head and suffered from vertigo for two months (I was off the bike during that time, hey, my 15k miles this year sounds like a bit more...). The moral of this story, never let your guard down! It was easy to relax in this situation and I paid the price. Lesson learned. Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 10:08:19 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07629; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:08:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA22953; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:08:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from gateway.mastermind-tech.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07896; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:08:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from dave.mastermind-tech.com ([207.244.253.8]) by gateway.mastermind-tech.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA24611 for ; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 09:55:18 -0500 Message-Id: <199801131455.JAA24611@gateway.mastermind-tech.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "David Lowenstein" Organization: MasterMind Technologies, Inc. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:07:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Triumph For sale Priority: normal In-reply-to: <6a6fb54.34bb7ada@aol.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) Hi Mark - If the guy is "wired" you might suggest he post the bike for sale on the Brit-Iron list server (which I also subscribe to), particularly if he cares about having the bike go to a loving home. Brit-Iron provides safe haven for owners of all vintage British-made bikes (a category of owners for which safe haven is especially useful). To subscribe, go to the Brit-Iron home page (http://php.indiana.edu/~cstringe/brit.html) and follow the instructions there. Regards, > Sorry to get commercial here but I ran into a really nice guy in his > 70's in a parking lot. He said he had a bike to sell and I told him > I would ask around. > ========================================= Dave Lowenstein Washington, DC dlowenst@XXXXXX 67 E-Type OTS S1.5 driver 71 Olds Cutlass Convertible 79 Triumph Bonneville Keeping parts guys in business nationwide ========================================= From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 10:10:07 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07644; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:10:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA22994; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:10:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from welchlink.welch.jhu.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07920; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:09:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from firewall_out.adventisthealthcare.com ([209.49.109.130]) by welchlink.welch.jhu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA11603; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:07:24 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980113101053.0069f43c@pop.mindspring.com> Received: from [172.16.4.56] by firewall_out.adventisthealthcare.com via smtpd (for welchlink.welch.jhu.edu [128.220.59.78]) with SMTP; 13 Jan 1998 15:09:53 UT X-Sender: hggmd@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:10:53 -0500 To: Jinn Sinn From: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." Subject: Re: Newbie in the rain Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:46 AM 1/13/98 EST, Jinn Sinn wrote: .does it make it less slippery for me if I drive >in the tire tracks the cars leave or is it better to stay in the middle of the >lane or does it not matter? > Marcy, Remember, all the oil and "pan drippings" build up in the middle of the lane. When you sprinkle some rain on it, it's like teflon. If you can follow in distinct tire tracks, you may be able to take advantage of the "pump" action of the tires. However, remember back to drivers' education when they told you that the first few minutes of a rainstorm are the worst, because it brings up the old oil and hasn't washed off the road yet. The only other rain tip to throw in is to keep an eye on people behind you. They often follow too close and will slide right over you. Slow down a bit so, even if they are close, you have more distance to stop in front of you and can give them some more time. Harry Bethesda, MD '97 BMW R1100RT http://www.greenspun.com/harry/bikes.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 10:13:58 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07702; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:13:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA23079; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:13:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08006; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:13:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id JAA14895 for ; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 09:13:14 -0600 (CST) Received: from nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (nmta2.mcit.com [166.37.172.3]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id KAA09062 for ; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:13:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19980113151313.BDC6587@[166.41.242.141]> for ; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:13:13 -0500 Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:04 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: dc-cycles Subject: Non-Motorcycle...HELP! X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980113151313.BDC6587@[166.41.242.141]> Does anyone have Ignition tester for GM? The cage is missing something fierce, and I want to rule this component out as the culprit. Anybody? In trade for the USE of your tester I offer twelve fine homebrewed beers to tote home and enjoy at your leisure. Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 10:16:58 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07745; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:16:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA23150; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:16:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from DONALD.CDER.FDA.GOV by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08101; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:16:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from mr.cder.fda.gov by fdaserv.cder.fda.gov (PMDF V5.1-8 #21467) id <01ISBP4SATDC8ZI7ER@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:17:28 EST Received: with PMDF-MR; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:16:49 -0500 (EST) MR-Received: by mta DONALD; Relayed; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:16:49 -0500 Alternate-recipient: prohibited Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:17:14 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy Subject: Re: Newbie in the rain To: DC Cycles Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Posting-date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:17:16 -0500 (EST) Importance: normal Priority: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential UA-content-id: E1298IEW27EXT X400-MTS-identifier: [;94610131108991/2250385@FDACD] A1-type: MAIL Hop-count: 1 >I've been told to always ride in the tire tracks in the rain. Also, >I've been told NEVER to ride in the center of the lane if you can help >it (unless avoiding obstacles, etc.)... The NEVER ride in the center of the lane is one of those things that is told to beginners. Once you're more experienced (assuming improved judgement) there are plenty of times that riding in the center of the lane is a good idea, e.g., riding on the beltway. Another one of these things is NEVER brake while leaned over. There are plenty of times that you can't stand the bike up before you've got to brake. Giving this "temporary axiom" to newbies keeps them from ham fistedly applying the front brake while leaning over pretty good. There are a other notions like these that escape me at the moment... Just my humble opinion, Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 10:24:50 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07827; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:24:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA23448; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:24:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from m-net.arbornet.org by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08415; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:24:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (bmccoy@localhost) by m-net.arbornet.org (8.8.5/8.8.6) with SMTP id KAA12916; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:12:22 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:12:22 -0500 (EST) From: Brian McCoy To: Jinn Sinn cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Newbie in the rain In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII The tire tracks are generaly safe - but watch out because some of the deep grooves will hold the water in pools - might make for some minor instability. As for riding on the crown inbetween the tracks - that's also fairly safe except where cars sit for times (traffic lights, stop signs, ATMs, etc) cause they drip oil and other slippery 'goo' that gets even worse in the wet - that is untill it's washed away. Right now, it's probably not to slick anywhere cept on the bridges (cold air underneath will lead to early freezing).. Just ride smooth and you'll be fine. On Tue, 13 Jan 1998, Jinn Sinn wrote: > well...even without electrics or leather pants, I've been tooling about in > these little sprinkles we've been getting without any mishaps so far (knock on > wood) but I have a question....does it make it less slippery for me if I drive > in the tire tracks the cars leave or is it better to stay in the middle of the > lane or does it not matter? > > Marcy > Brian P. McCoy - 86' VF500fg (street) - 92/94 RS125 (race) bmccoy@XXXXXX (work) (301)210-8000 x 2155 (work) bmccoy@XXXXXX (personal) (301)445-4451 (home) www.geocities.com\motorcity\1319 (OLD Homepage - view at your own risk) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 10:29:06 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07876; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:29:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA23507; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:28:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08515; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:28:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id JAA21250; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 09:28:19 -0600 (CST) Received: from imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid02.mcit.com [166.37.221.14]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id JAA02076; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 09:28:18 -0600 (CST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19980113152817.ZKHG28757@[166.41.242.141]>; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 09:28:17 -0600 Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:15 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: Jinn Sinn CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Newbie in the rain X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980113152817.ZKHG28757@[166.41.242.141]> If the roads have been wet for awhile, ride where you want. All the road gorp that matters will have washed off by then. My own style (when I'm not dragging behind Linda T. on the way home) is to stay back as far from other vehicles as possible. All that mucky spray is worse sometimes than any actual rain. Todd From: Jinn Sinn Message-ID: Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 09:46:36 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Newbie in the rain Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) well...even without electrics or leather pants, I've been tooling about in these little sprinkles we've been getting without any mishaps so far (knock on wood) but I have a question....does it make it less slippery for me if I drive in the tire tracks the cars leave or is it better to stay in the middle of the lane or does it not matter? Marcy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 10:31:28 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07917; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:31:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA23565; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:31:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from draco.eisi.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08575; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:31:19 -0500 (EST) Received: by draco.eisi.com; id KAA18617; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:31:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from unknown(10.3.1.4) by draco.eisi.com via smap (3.2) id xma018607; Tue, 13 Jan 98 10:31:12 -0500 Received: by HRNEXCH1 with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:31:12 -0500 Message-ID: <7F151D3C3920D111859A080009D806396E6C53@HRNEXCH1> From: "Whiteside, John" To: DC Cycles Subject: RE: Newbie in the rain Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:31:10 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Re - never braking while leaned This is one I never heard. In fact, doesn't the MSF intro course have an exercise on stopping in turns that involves starting to brake while you're turning, increasing braking as you decrease lean? John Whiteside Marketing Specialist EIS Marketing Dept. Phone: (703) 736-8386 * Fax (703) 787-6720 jwhiteside@XXXXXX http://www.eisi.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Kirk Roy [SMTP:ROYK@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 1998 10:17 AM > To: DC Cycles > Subject: Re: Newbie in the rain > > >I've been told to always ride in the tire tracks in the rain. Also, > >I've been told NEVER to ride in the center of the lane if you can > help > >it (unless avoiding obstacles, etc.)... > > The NEVER ride in the center of the lane is one of those things that > is > told to beginners. Once you're more experienced (assuming improved > judgement) there are plenty of times that riding in the center of the > lane > is a good idea, e.g., riding on the beltway. > > Another one of these things is NEVER brake while leaned over. There > are > plenty of times that you can't stand the bike up before you've got to > brake. Giving this "temporary axiom" to newbies keeps them from ham > fistedly applying the front brake while leaning over pretty good. > > There are a other notions like these that escape me at the moment... > > Just my humble opinion, > > Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 10:39:12 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08043; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:39:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA23978; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:38:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08757; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:38:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com by mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (8.8.8/McCaw V8 version 1) id HAA02646; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 07:38:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id HAA01502; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 07:38:06 -0800 Received: from hq_msg01.nwest.mccaw.com by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id HAA01497; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 07:38:05 -0800 Received: by hq_msg01.nwest.mccaw.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD1FF6.277BE9D0@XXXXXX>; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 07:37:52 -0800 Message-ID: From: "Viteri, Ursulina" To: "'Harry G. Greenspun, M.D.'" , "'Jinn Sinn'" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Newbie in the rain Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 07:34:01 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 39 TEXT Am I the only person that thinks cars follow to closely behind each other and me? Am I getting paranoid or what? Weren't we taught something like one car length between you and the other vehicle for every 10 mph? Ursulina Viteri 202-416-6534 * Fax 202-223-9095 AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. - Washington, DC >-----Original Message----- >From: Harry G. Greenspun, M.D. [SMTP:hgg@XXXXXX] >Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 1998 7:11 AM >To: Jinn Sinn >Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Newbie in the rain > >At 09:46 AM 1/13/98 EST, Jinn Sinn wrote: >.does it make it less slippery for me if I drive >>in the tire tracks the cars leave or is it better to stay in the middle of >the >>lane or does it not matter? >> > >Marcy, > Remember, all the oil and "pan drippings" build up in the middle of the >lane. When you sprinkle some rain on it, it's like teflon. If you can >follow in distinct tire tracks, you may be able to take advantage of the >"pump" action of the tires. However, remember back to drivers' education >when they told you that the first few minutes of a rainstorm are the worst, >because it brings up the old oil and hasn't washed off the road yet. > The only other rain tip to throw in is to keep an eye on people behind >you. They often follow too close and will slide right over you. Slow down >a bit so, even if they are close, you have more distance to stop in front >of you and can give them some more time. > >Harry >Bethesda, MD >'97 BMW R1100RT >http://www.greenspun.com/harry/bikes.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 10:43:07 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08095; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:43:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA24026; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:42:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08831; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:42:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from krosenba.erols.com (man-as6s56.erols.com [207.172.74.119]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA28141; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:45:02 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980113104034.007c1100@pop.erols.com> X-Sender: krosenba@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:40:34 -0500 To: Jinn Sinn , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Karl Rosenbaum Subject: Re: Newbie in the rain In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:46 AM 01/13/1998 EST, Jinn Sinn wrote: >well...even without electrics or leather pants, I've been tooling about in >these little sprinkles we've been getting without any mishaps so far (knock on >wood) but I have a question....does it make it less slippery for me if I drive >in the tire tracks the cars leave or is it better to stay in the middle of the >lane or does it not matter? Personally, I ride either to the left or the right side of the lane (the tracks left from the cages). Oily stuff will collect in the center of the lane (i.e. that is where the leaks from all the cars will collect) and can make it a little slippery. I also avoid sudden lane cages and make my lane changes more gradual. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 10:51:52 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08326; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:51:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA24153; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:50:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA09041; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:50:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay2.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id KAA19515; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:50:16 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:48:40 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D37EBEF@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Viteri, Ursulina'" , "'Harry G. Greenspun, M.D.'" , "'Jinn Sinn'" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Newbie in the rain Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:47:50 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Yes, I agree. I had the "mistfortune" of being without a cage for 3 years while I was living in D.C., so I walked or took public transportation everywhere. There was a noticeable difference when I started driving again. Drivers had gotten much more aggressive in all manner of driving. One night on my bike a BDC tried to run me off the road in a merge lane (he was in the wrong, came up behind me at WAY excessive speed), so I tapped the brakes, then did big swervies in front of him. He backed off. (probably thought I was crazy) - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Viteri, Ursulina [SMTP:ursulina.viteri@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 1998 10:34 AM > To: 'Harry G. Greenspun, M.D.'; 'Jinn Sinn' > Cc: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > Subject: RE: Newbie in the rain > > Am I the only person that thinks cars follow to closely behind each > other and me? Am I getting paranoid or what? Weren't we taught > something like one car length between you and the other vehicle for > every 10 mph? > > Ursulina Viteri > 202-416-6534 * Fax 202-223-9095 > AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. - Washington, DC > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Harry G. Greenspun, M.D. [SMTP:hgg@XXXXXX] > >Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 1998 7:11 AM > >To: Jinn Sinn > >Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >Subject: Re: Newbie in the rain > > > >At 09:46 AM 1/13/98 EST, Jinn Sinn wrote: > >.does it make it less slippery for me if I drive > >>in the tire tracks the cars leave or is it better to stay in the > middle of > >the > >>lane or does it not matter? > >> > > > >Marcy, > > Remember, all the oil and "pan drippings" build up in the middle of > the > >lane. When you sprinkle some rain on it, it's like teflon. If you > can > >follow in distinct tire tracks, you may be able to take advantage of > the > >"pump" action of the tires. However, remember back to drivers' > education > >when they told you that the first few minutes of a rainstorm are the > worst, > >because it brings up the old oil and hasn't washed off the road yet. > > The only other rain tip to throw in is to keep an eye on people > behind > >you. They often follow too close and will slide right over you. > Slow down > >a bit so, even if they are close, you have more distance to stop in > front > >of you and can give them some more time. > > > >Harry > >Bethesda, MD > >'97 BMW R1100RT > >http://www.greenspun.com/harry/bikes.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 10:58:16 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08435; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:58:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA24235; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:57:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA09225; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:56:57 -0500 (EST) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id AA09725 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:57:08 -0500 Message-Id: <199801131557.AA09725@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:57:08 -0500 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:57:08 -0500 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:57:08 -0500 Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:54:33 -0500 Subject: Re: Dulles Toll Road To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <000401bd1fe4$b4aa34e0$4710b1cd@newmicronpc> X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p1)/MIME Art at Riders Accessory in Falls Church was selling some very nice, well built chrome coin dispensers that clamp onto your handlebars that work very well. My wife and I both have them on our bikes and it's made zipping through the toll booths with gloves on *much* easier...less than $20 and has lasted over 3 years. cheers, -aki > A pain in the digits, the toll business. From Brookstone have a little > 4-coin-type dispenser (holds about 20 of each) that is kept handy (in a > little open fork bag or pocket). Cheaper, smaller at Trak. Can work with > one un- or lightly- gloved hand, pushing out one coin at a time, turning it > if necessary, or just lend it to moneyperson. Newly elusive payphone dimes > right there too. Bay Bridge, etc., still require financial planning. > > Bill Swanson > > > -----Original Message----- > From: John C. Kozyn > Date: Monday, January 12, 1998 10:13 PM > > > >Jeannette wrote: > > > >> Going through tolls on a bike with heavy gloves on is a royal > >> pain in the butt, though! > > > >And John Whiteside asked: > > > >> What do other folks do? > > > >> A friend of a friend supposedly mounted his fastoll box to his > >> windscreen and it works -- I tried this and it didn't at all. > > > >A buddy of mine had the FastToll box on his Concours and said he got > >just about up to 40 mph zipping through there. (I know it says 10 mph ;) > > > >Me, I'm a cheapskate. I regularly go to the Exact Change Only lane, > >making sure I have the requisite 4 bits in the side pouch of the tank > >bag. Then - invariably - I find quarters lying on the ground. Sidestand > >out, glove quickly off, pick up spare change, toss it in, and Sayonara > >baby. If there are more than two I leave them for the next cheapskate > >;^D > > > >However, I was once berated by a toll booth worker for stealing from the > >state. I told him to call a cop. If it ain't down the chute, it's > >finders-keepers AFAIC. > > > >JK > > > > > > > X-Priority: 3 > X-Msmail-Priority: Normal > X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 11:33:23 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA09249; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 11:33:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA25759; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 11:32:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from germany.it.earthlink.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA00388; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 11:32:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from [153.34.245.222] (1Cust222.tnt2.tco2.da.uu.net [153.34.245.222]) by germany.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA11123 for ; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 08:32:10 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: level_5_ltd@XXXXXX Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 11:34:22 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Alan Lapp Subject: Re: Newbie in the rain >well...even without electrics or leather pants, I've been tooling about in >these little sprinkles we've been getting without any mishaps so far (knock on >wood) but I have a question....does it make it less slippery for me if I drive >in the tire tracks the cars leave or is it better to stay in the middle of the >lane or does it not matter? > >Marcy Tire tracks: The middle of the lane is where oil and coolant drips fall. As we all know from Cliche 101, oil and water don't mix. Al level_5_ltd@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 11:35:34 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA09320; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 11:35:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA25907; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 11:34:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from iconmail.bellatlantic.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA00432; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 11:34:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from my-workstation (client196-127-14.bellatlantic.net [151.196.127.14]) by iconmail.bellatlantic.net (IConNet Sendmail) with SMTP id LAA12916; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 11:34:31 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980113112953.00c35dc0@postoffice.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: true911@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 11:29:53 -0500 To: "Whiteside, John" , DC Cycles From: "Mark E. Truelove" Subject: RE: Newbie in the rain In-Reply-To: <7F151D3C3920D111859A080009D806396E6C53@HRNEXCH1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Actually, the advanced course had a swerve-and-stop exercise where the point was to do one, then the other -- not together -- within a certain distance. Louis might be able to shed some light here... MET At 10:31 AM 1/13/98 -0500, Whiteside, John wrote: >Re - never braking while leaned > >This is one I never heard. In fact, doesn't the MSF intro course have an >exercise on stopping in turns that involves starting to brake while >you're turning, increasing braking as you decrease lean? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark E. Truelove (true@XXXXXX) http://www.clark.net/pub/pooh/ Polaris Technology Group http://www.angelfire.com/biz/polaristech/ Placement Specialists: SAP PeopleSoft Notes Fiber-Optics NT UNIX DBs ======================================================================= From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 12:05:37 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA10147; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:05:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA27248; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:04:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA01528; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:04:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com by mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (8.8.8/McCaw V8 version 1) id JAA25647; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 09:03:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id JAA15119; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 09:03:51 -0800 Received: from hq_msg01.nwest.mccaw.com by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id JAA15111; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 09:03:50 -0800 Received: by hq_msg01.nwest.mccaw.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD2002.2237AF20@XXXXXX>; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 09:03:37 -0800 Message-ID: From: "Viteri, Ursulina" To: "'Alan Lapp'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Newbie in the rain Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 08:59:47 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 34 TEXT Here's an addition to things that don't mix: gravel, down shifting, breaking, and turning. DON'T try it at home! - - Newbie advice Ursulina Viteri 202-416-6534 * Fax 202-223-9095 AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. - Washington, DC >-----Original Message----- >From: Alan Lapp [SMTP:level_5_ltd@XXXXXX] >Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 1998 8:34 AM >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Newbie in the rain > >>well...even without electrics or leather pants, I've been tooling about in >>these little sprinkles we've been getting without any mishaps so far (knock >>on >>wood) but I have a question....does it make it less slippery for me if I >>drive >>in the tire tracks the cars leave or is it better to stay in the middle of >>the >>lane or does it not matter? >> >>Marcy > >Tire tracks: The middle of the lane is where oil and coolant drips fall. > >As we all know from Cliche 101, oil and water don't mix. > >Al >level_5_ltd@XXXXXX > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 12:20:09 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA10527; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:20:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA27516; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:19:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA02294; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:19:04 -0500 (EST) From: Jinn Sinn Message-ID: <5e486983.34bba1e2@aol.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:18:26 EST To: ROYK@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: Newbie in the rain Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) In a message dated 1/13/98 10:22:58 AM, ROYK@XXXXXX wrote: <> I've been downshifting to slow down before I actually apply the brakes (whenever possible) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 12:23:15 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA10585; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:23:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA27586; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:22:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.clark.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA02362; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:22:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from shell.clark.net (louis@XXXXXX [168.143.0.8]) by mail.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA23851; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:22:11 -0500 (EST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Received: (from louis@localhost) by shell.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA14126; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:22:01 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199801131722.MAA14126@shell.clark.net> Subject: Re: Newbie in the rain To: true@XXXXXX (Mark E. Truelove) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:22:01 -0500 (EST) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980113112953.00c35dc0@postoffice.bellatlantic.net> from "Mark E. Truelove" at Jan 13, 98 11:29:53 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24alpha3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > Actually, the advanced course had a swerve-and-stop exercise where the > point was to do one, then the other -- not together -- within a certain > distance. > Louis might be able to shed some light here... > At 10:31 AM 1/13/98 -0500, Whiteside, John wrote: > >Re - never braking while leaned > > > >This is one I never heard. In fact, doesn't the MSF intro course have an > >exercise on stopping in turns that involves starting to brake while > >you're turning, increasing braking as you decrease lean? Yes, this is if you are in a turn and need to stop. There are two different ways. A) Straighten the motorcycle, then brake B) Gradually brake as you straighten the motorcycle, adding more brake as you are more straight. Both of these are covered in excercises in the RSS. There is no "Best Answer." In fact on the motorcycle saftey digest (another e-mail list) there was a huge debate (read: Flame war) over this. In my opinion (and just MY opinion) option A is better IF YOU HAVE ROOM. If there isn't room to straighten up (and on some of those curves on Sugarloaf, there wasn't any room) if you are going in hot, you'll need to use option B. Of course the best thing to do is to slow down before you get into that situation. If you can't see 8 seconds in front of you, slow down. One thing I've read, but haven't tried, is that if you do need to brake in a curve, start with the rear brake, that helps to control the weight shift forward, and keeps some more traction on the rear tire. Again, I haven't tested this, maybe others have? Louis ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Louis Caplan | DoD #1754 AMA #269779 | www.clark.net/pub/louis/cycle.htm Alexandria, VA | COG #2894 | louis@XXXXXX | '98 Kawasaki Concours | Mean Green Scream Machine From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 12:30:31 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA10771; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:30:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA27770; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:29:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA02694; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:29:23 -0500 (EST) From: Jinn Sinn Message-ID: <38f36105.34bba336@aol.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:24:05 EST To: ursulina.viteri@XXXXXX, hgg@XXXXXX, JinnSinn@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: RE: Newbie in the rain Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) In a message dated 1/13/98 10:38:34 AM, ursulina.viteri@XXXXXX wrote: <> we were taught exactly that but nobody seems to remember it...and yes they DO follow WAY too closely....this morning some guy came up to within 3 feet behind me at about 30mph then zoomed around me passing VERY close to my right leg....it was all very exciting especially since he was driving some kind of huge cadillac looking beast of a cage...damn good thing I didn't have to brake... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 12:33:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA10845; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:33:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA27845; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:32:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA02781; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:32:33 -0500 (EST) Received: by hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD201E.EBB2C030@XXXXXX>; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:29:41 -0500 Message-ID: From: To: , , Subject: RE: Newbie in the rain Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:29:39 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 48 TEXT Should have read as experienced newbie or newbie level 1 Tracy Horstman '87 Suzuki Savage 650 "There are 2 types of computer users in the world: Those that have lost data and those that are going to....." ---------- From: Viteri, Ursulina[SMTP:ursulina.viteri@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 1998 11:59 AM To: 'Alan Lapp'; 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' Subject: RE: Newbie in the rain Here's an addition to things that don't mix: gravel, down shifting, breaking, and turning. DON'T try it at home! - - Newbie advice Ursulina Viteri 202-416-6534 * Fax 202-223-9095 AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. - Washington, DC >-----Original Message----- >From: Alan Lapp [SMTP:level_5_ltd@XXXXXX] >Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 1998 8:34 AM >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Newbie in the rain > >>well...even without electrics or leather pants, I've been tooling about in >>these little sprinkles we've been getting without any mishaps so far (knock >>on >>wood) but I have a question....does it make it less slippery for me if I >>drive >>in the tire tracks the cars leave or is it better to stay in the middle of >>the >>lane or does it not matter? >> >>Marcy > >Tire tracks: The middle of the lane is where oil and coolant drips fall. > >As we all know from Cliche 101, oil and water don't mix. > >Al >level_5_ltd@XXXXXX > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 12:37:34 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA10943; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:37:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA27892; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:36:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA02860; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:36:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.02c) id A6122E101FC; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:36:18 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980113123504.009ef350@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:35:04 -0500 To: DC Cycles From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Newbie in the rain In-Reply-To: <7F151D3C3920D111859A080009D806396E6C53@HRNEXCH1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:31 AM 1/13/98 -0500, Whiteside, John wrote: >Re - never braking while leaned > >This is one I never heard. In fact, doesn't the MSF intro course have an >exercise on stopping in turns that involves starting to brake while >you're turning, increasing braking as you decrease lean? Yup. Very important skill. Just remember that you have less traction for braking when you're leaned over, and if you lock a wheel the bike will probably go down so quickly you won't have a chance to react to it. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 12:37:35 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA10949; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:37:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA27896; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:36:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA02858; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:36:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.02c) id A60E2E101FC; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:36:17 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980113123245.009ec4e0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:32:45 -0500 To: DC Cycles From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Considerate Cagers!! In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:01 AM 1/13/98 -0500, Kirk Roy wrote: >>Wow, believe it or not, they do exist! This morning I was trying to >>cross a busy intersection in Arlington (4 lanes, traffic both ways, >>median in the middle) and I'd made it to the median & was waiting to >>cross. The traffic was damn heavy & steady, but all of a sudden, out of >>nowhere, a car slows down & flashes his lights at me to let me in!! >>Amazing! Of course, I immediately figured he must be a biker. > >My only accident was in a similar situation... I was let in but another guy >(in the other lane) made a very aggressive move while I moved into the lane >and BAM!, I was doing somersaults. I landed on my head and suffered from >vertigo for two months (I was off the bike during that time, hey, my 15k >miles this year sounds like a bit more...). > >The moral of this story, never let your guard down! It was easy to relax in >this situation and I paid the price. Lesson learned. If someone stops in one lane to let me in, but there's a lane next to it with traffic, I shake my head no, wave the driver by, and wave thanks. I'd much rather wait and deal with a gap in traffic than to squeak into an opening like that. I agree with you about never relaxing. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 12:37:35 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA10946; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:37:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA27893; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:36:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA02854; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:36:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from jil-c_norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.02c) id A6112E101FC; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:36:17 EST5EDT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980113123034.009ee320@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:30:34 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Newbie in the rain In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:46 AM 1/13/98 EST, Jinn Sinn wrote: >well...even without electrics or leather pants, I've been tooling about in >these little sprinkles we've been getting without any mishaps so far (knock on >wood) but I have a question....does it make it less slippery for me if I drive >in the tire tracks the cars leave or is it better to stay in the middle of the >lane or does it not matter? Seriously? Oil drippings are almost always in the center of the lane. They're not too much trouble in the dry (usually. Toll booths and big intersections with truck traffic are notable exceptions). The lane center can be a very slippery place in the wet. I stay in the car tracks and reduce speed and lean angle to give my self more traction reserve. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 12:38:38 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA10988; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:38:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA27985; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:37:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA02906; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:37:15 -0500 (EST) Received: by hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD201F.9CC7B290@XXXXXX>; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:34:38 -0500 Message-ID: From: To: Subject: Newbie in the rain Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:34:36 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 28 TEXT I feel sorry for you, Marcy, for all the e-mail you are going to generate with the "downshifting to slow down" part of you e-mail. I'll be just one of the several pieces of e-mail telling you that downshifting only gives more power to the wheels - the brakes slow you down. Tracy Horstman '87 Suzuki Savage 650 "There are 2 types of computer users in the world: Those that have lost data and those that are going to....." ---------- From: Jinn Sinn[SMTP:JinnSinn@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 1998 12:18 PM To: ROYK@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: Newbie in the rain In a message dated 1/13/98 10:22:58 AM, ROYK@XXXXXX wrote: <> I've been downshifting to slow down before I actually apply the brakes (whenever possible) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 12:44:29 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA11192; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:44:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA28382; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:43:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA03083; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:43:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com by mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (8.8.8/McCaw V8 version 1) id JAA07577; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 09:42:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id JAA22515; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 09:42:38 -0800 Received: from hq_msg01.nwest.mccaw.com by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id JAA22508; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 09:42:37 -0800 Received: by hq_msg01.nwest.mccaw.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD2007.8D4F8260@XXXXXX>; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 09:42:24 -0800 Message-ID: From: "Viteri, Ursulina" To: "'tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX'" , "'level_5_ltd@XXXXXX'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" , "'ursulina.viteri@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Newbie in the rain Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 09:38:33 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 68 TEXT Good point. My accident should bump me up a grade in the Newbie level system. Would you believe I asked God that if he has any more falls for me in mind could he do them while I'm dressing for winter riding. I'm sure the extra layers of clothes (and naturally occurring insulation i.e.: flab) kept me from getting really hurt. Imagine that same fall if it had been summertime. Big Ouch! Ursulina Viteri 202-416-6534 * Fax 202-223-9095 AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. - Washington, DC >-----Original Message----- >From: tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX [SMTP:tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX] >Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 1998 9:30 AM >To: level_5_ltd@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX; >ursulina.viteri@XXXXXX >Subject: RE: Newbie in the rain > >Should have read as experienced newbie or newbie level 1 >Tracy Horstman >'87 Suzuki Savage 650 >"There are 2 types of computer users in the world: > Those that have lost data > and those that are going to....." > >---------- >From: Viteri, Ursulina[SMTP:ursulina.viteri@XXXXXX] >Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 1998 11:59 AM >To: 'Alan Lapp'; 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' >Subject: RE: Newbie in the rain > >Here's an addition to things that don't mix: gravel, down shifting, >breaking, and turning. DON'T try it at home! > > - - Newbie advice > >Ursulina Viteri >202-416-6534 * Fax 202-223-9095 >AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. - Washington, DC > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Alan Lapp [SMTP:level_5_ltd@XXXXXX] >>Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 1998 8:34 AM >>To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >>Subject: Re: Newbie in the rain >> >>>well...even without electrics or leather pants, I've been tooling about in >>>these little sprinkles we've been getting without any mishaps so far (knock >>>on >>>wood) but I have a question....does it make it less slippery for me if I >>>drive >>>in the tire tracks the cars leave or is it better to stay in the middle of >>>the >>>lane or does it not matter? >>> >>>Marcy >> >>Tire tracks: The middle of the lane is where oil and coolant drips fall. >> >>As we all know from Cliche 101, oil and water don't mix. >> >>Al >>level_5_ltd@XXXXXX >> >> > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 12:50:11 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA11295; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:50:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA28822; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:49:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from m-net.arbornet.org by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA03284; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:49:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (bmccoy@localhost) by m-net.arbornet.org (8.8.5/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA14403 for ; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:41:47 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:41:46 -0500 (EST) From: Brian McCoy cc: DC-Cycles list Subject: Re: Re: Newbie in the rain In-Reply-To: <5e486983.34bba1e2@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Why? Brake pads are SOOOO much cheaper than engine parts... On Tue, 13 Jan 1998, Jinn Sinn wrote: > > In a message dated 1/13/98 10:22:58 AM, ROYK@XXXXXX wrote: > > <> > > I've been downshifting to slow down before I actually apply the brakes > (whenever possible) > Brian P. McCoy - 86' VF500fg (street) - 92/94 RS125 (race) bmccoy@XXXXXX (work) (301)210-8000 x 2155 (work) bmccoy@XXXXXX (personal) (301)445-4451 (home) www.geocities.com\motorcity\1319 (OLD Homepage - view at your own risk) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 12:54:15 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA11405; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:54:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA29597; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:53:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from m-net.arbornet.org by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA03413; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:53:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (bmccoy@localhost) by m-net.arbornet.org (8.8.5/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA11754; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:29:43 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:29:43 -0500 (EST) From: Brian McCoy To: "Viteri, Ursulina" cc: "'Alan Lapp'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Newbie in the rain In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Do you speak from experience? :) Hows the knee? On Tue, 13 Jan 1998, Viteri, Ursulina wrote: > Here's an addition to things that don't mix: gravel, down shifting, > breaking, and turning. DON'T try it at home! > > - - Newbie advice > Brian P. McCoy - 86' VF500fg (street) - 92/94 RS125 (race) bmccoy@XXXXXX (work) (301)210-8000 x 2155 (work) bmccoy@XXXXXX (personal) (301)445-4451 (home) www.geocities.com\motorcity\1319 (OLD Homepage - view at your own risk) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 13:02:12 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA11828; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 13:02:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA00859; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 13:01:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from DONALD.CDER.FDA.GOV by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA03768; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 13:01:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from mr.cder.fda.gov by fdaserv.cder.fda.gov (PMDF V5.1-8 #21467) id <01ISBUW8XQV48ZI5UU@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 13:01:36 EST Received: with PMDF-MR; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:58:11 -0500 (EST) MR-Received: by mta DONALD; Relayed; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:58:11 -0500 Alternate-recipient: prohibited Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:58:33 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy Subject: Re: Newbie in the rain To: DC Cycles Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Posting-date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:58:34 -0500 (EST) Importance: normal Priority: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential UA-content-id: E1321IEW2SBL0 X400-MTS-identifier: [;11852131108991/2251250@FDACD] A1-type: MAIL Hop-count: 1 >Good point. My accident should bump me up a grade in the Newbie level >system. Only application of what you learn moves you along the newbie/motorcycle god continuum. >Would you believe I asked God that if he has any more falls for me in >mind could he do them while I'm dressing for winter riding. I'm sure >the extra layers of clothes (and naturally occurring insulation i.e.: >flab) kept me from getting really hurt. Imagine that same fall if it >had been summertime. Big Ouch! Hmmm, if it had been summertime I would've been dressed basically the same but without the electric vest... What body part(s) are you willing to have road rash (or worse) on? To me, summer is no excuse to not be protected. Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 13:23:58 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA12450; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 13:23:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA02613; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 13:22:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA04522; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 13:22:47 -0500 (EST) From: Jinn Sinn Message-ID: <591d1d5.34bbb0da@aol.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 13:22:17 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: RE: Newbie in the rain Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) In a message dated 1/13/98 12:30:01 PM, ursulina.viteri@XXXXXX wrote: <> but isn't it safer to downshift than to hit the brakes??? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 13:31:41 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA12629; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 13:31:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA03090; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 13:30:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from server4.illuminet.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA04821; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 13:30:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from kzbq ([155.9.196.10]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA21708; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 13:30:52 -0500 Message-ID: <34BBB27A.FB1099E8@illuminet.net> Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:29:14 -0600 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Viteri, Ursulina" CC: "'tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX'" , "'level_5_ltd@XXXXXX'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: Newbie in the rain X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I took my winter fall as a message from God to buy an Aerostich. I have a new one being built as we type. It costs $300 more than the most expensive bike I've ever bought. Leon. Viteri, Ursulina wrote: > Good point. My accident should bump me up a grade in the Newbie level > > system. > > Would you believe I asked God that if he has any more falls for me in > mind could he do them while I'm dressing for winter riding. I'm sure > the extra layers of clothes (and naturally occurring insulation i.e.: > flab) kept me from getting really hurt. Imagine that same fall if it > had been summertime. Big Ouch! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 13:32:52 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA12663; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 13:32:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA03134; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 13:31:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA04857; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 13:31:49 -0500 (EST) Received: by hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD2027.39F45850@XXXXXX>; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 13:29:08 -0500 Message-ID: From: To: Subject: FW: RE: Re: Newbie in the rain Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 13:29:06 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 31 TEXT Ok guys, in your motorcycle techno geek fashion, please explain to us why Marcy notices a slow down when she downshifts and how it could lead other dangerous actions if she uses the engine "to slow down" and then her brakes. Don't forget the potential and kinetic energies here. I just can't explain it myself very well. All I know is that down shifting gives the wheels more power when what you really want to do is remove power from the wheels and that's what braking does. I know on some of the twisties Sun., I had to brake and then downshift to get around some of those corners, but I have a 650 single cyclinder 4 speed. Tracy Horstman '87 Suzuki Savage 650 "There are 2 types of computer users in the world: Those that have lost data and those that are going to....." ---------- From: Jinn Sinn[SMTP:JinnSinn@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 1998 1:24 PM To: Horstman, Tracy L @ MAN Subject: Re: RE: Re: Newbie in the rain In a message dated 1/13/98 12:40:11 PM, you wrote: <> yes but I notice a definate slowing action when I downshift... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 13:47:13 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA13138; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 13:47:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA04116; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 13:45:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA05566; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 13:45:49 -0500 (EST) Received: by hub02.tds-gn.lmco.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD2029.3149A5A0@XXXXXX>; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 13:43:12 -0500 Message-ID: From: To: Subject: FW: RE: Newbie in the rain Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 13:43:11 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 36 TEXT NO. It's always best to brake - what Ursulina did was take a MAJOR turn too fast that caused her to get out into some really bad gravel and down shifting gave he wheels more power so when she went around the curve leaning the bike went out from under her , braking didn't do anything for her because she did it too late - if she had slowed her bike down to stay in the corner and then downshift (since it was a very steep hill too) and went around the curve in a slow and control manner she would have been able to stay out of the gravel. The road we were on at Sugarloaf was really nasty for a newbie even for someone who may have been riding for awhile. Lots of gravel, grade, and gunk! I'm still a newbie myself - the more experienced riders should be able to really give better advice - mine's mostly book learnin' Tracy Horstman '87 Suzuki Savage 650 "There are 2 types of computer users in the world: Those that have lost data and those that are going to....." ---------- From: Jinn Sinn[SMTP:JinnSinn@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 1998 1:22 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: RE: Newbie in the rain In a message dated 1/13/98 12:30:01 PM, ursulina.viteri@XXXXXX wrote: <> but isn't it safer to downshift than to hit the brakes??? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 13:49:00 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA13157; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 13:49:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA04206; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 13:47:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from m-net.arbornet.org by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA05658; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 13:47:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (bmccoy@localhost) by m-net.arbornet.org (8.8.5/8.8.6) with SMTP id NAA25582 for ; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 13:28:39 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 13:28:39 -0500 (EST) From: Brian McCoy To: DC-Cycles list Subject: Re: Newbie in the rain In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Good point.. I wear my 'Stich year round.. but in the summer, I will have shorts on underneath - and the one time i was down when wearing shorts - I got nasty burn from the inside of my suit.. still better than from the road.. On Tue, 13 Jan 1998, Kirk Roy wrote: > Hmmm, if it had been summertime I would've been dressed basically the same > but without the electric vest... What body part(s) are you willing to have > road rash (or worse) on? To me, summer is no excuse to not be protected. > > Kirk > Brian P. McCoy - 86' VF500fg (street) - 92/94 RS125 (race) bmccoy@XXXXXX (work) (301)210-8000 x 2155 (work) bmccoy@XXXXXX (personal) (301)445-4451 (home) www.geocities.com\motorcity\1319 (OLD Homepage - view at your own risk) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 13:49:52 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA13181; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 13:49:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA04276; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 13:48:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA05682; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 13:48:48 -0500 (EST) From: Jinn Sinn Message-ID: <1606e9da.34bbb5a0@aol.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 13:42:39 EST To: tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: FW: RE: Re: Newbie in the rain Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) In a message dated 1/13/98 1:41:01 PM, tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX wrote: <> I'm all ears!!! Marcy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 13:52:16 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA13247; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 13:52:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA04505; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 13:51:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA05742; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 13:51:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id MAA20640; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:50:36 -0600 (CST) Received: from imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid01.mcit.com [166.37.221.13]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id NAA12581; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 13:50:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mci.com ([166.32.114.127]) by imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with ESMTP id <19980113185034.BQWB215@XXXXXX>; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:50:34 -0600 Message-ID: <34BBB77A.763B8AB1@mci.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 13:50:34 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Reply-To: Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jinn Sinn CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Newbie in the rain References: <591d1d5.34bbb0da@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jinn Sinn asked: > In a message dated 1/13/98 12:30:01 PM, ursulina.viteri@XXXXXX wrote: > > < breaking, and turning. DON'T try it at home!>> > > but isn't it safer to downshift than to hit the brakes??? I've found there are few absolute rules in motorcycling, but rather things that are true for different situations. If you are pulling high revs in top gear, down shifting might not be the best idea, especially if your clutch hand is still learning touch and control. If you are gently approaching a curve, downshifting before the curve will scrub off some speed and set you up nicely to roll on the throttle as you look through the turn. In general, any sudden action with the bikes controls, (i.e. downshifting quickly, grabbing at rather than sqeezing the brakes,etc.) runs the risk of upsetting the bike and causing problems. There are different ways to negotiate a tricky corner, especially when road surfaces are less than ideal. I would think that most involve gently working the controls, rather than instinctive sudden last second moves. Look ahead, stay alert, ride gently, and you'll probably do just fine. Rubber side down! Horkster From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 14:03:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA13419; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:03:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA05494; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:02:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from xgate.usia.gov by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA06127; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:02:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from Connect2 Message Router by xgate.usia.gov via Connect2-SMTP 4.31.02; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 13:58:30 -0500 Message-ID: <41B9BB3401BD1160@xgate.usia.gov> In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:00:15 -0500 From: "Adams, Bill" Sender: "Adams, Bill" Organization: USIA To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Enough Newbie in the rain subject lines!!! Importance: High X-SMF-Hop-Count: 2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Connect2-SMTP 4.31.02 MHS/SMF to SMTP Gateway This is gettin r'dic'lus. This list is getting really bad at one of my pet peeves... I'm not storming off in a huff, just tired of all the crap. L8r. Bill Adams 3D Artist/Animator '66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon, '81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard: "Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 14:08:27 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA13531; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:08:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA05659; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:07:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA06349; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:07:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id OAA10092; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:06:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid01.mcit.com [166.37.221.13]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id NAA02051; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 13:06:48 -0600 (CST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19980113190648.BSPB215@[166.41.242.141]>; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 13:06:48 -0600 Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 13:52 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: Jinn Sinn CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: RE: Newbie in the rain X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980113190648.BSPB215@[166.41.242.141]> Brakes is brakes. Their function is to allow you to decelerate. You can decelerate by down shifting. An extreme case may be to be in 2nd, High rpm and suddenly downshift. This is NOT a good idea (don't ask me how I know), and will slow your rear so suddenly it will be just like locking the rear. Light braking on gravel, even on the front, is ok. You just need to get used to your bikes capabilities. Relax, don't tense up (does'nt help anyway), and feel the grab. Todd <> but isn't it safer to downshift than to hit the brakes??? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 14:28:11 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA13886; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:28:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA07497; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:27:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA07028; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:27:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay2.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id OAA00862; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:27:03 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:25:27 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D37EC04@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Todd Peer'" , Jinn Sinn Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: RE: Newbie in the rain (Sorry, Bill...) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:24:37 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain I can vouch for the dangers of down-shifting too quickly from experience. It skids your rear tire in the rain badly...but at least I didn't fall! - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Todd Peer [SMTP:Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 1998 1:52 PM > To: Jinn Sinn > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: RE: Newbie in the rain > > > Brakes is brakes. Their function is to allow you to decelerate. > You can decelerate by down shifting. An extreme case may be to > be in 2nd, High rpm and suddenly downshift. This is NOT a good idea > (don't ask me how I know), and will slow your rear so suddenly it will > be just like locking the rear. > > Light braking on gravel, even on the front, is ok. You just need to > get used to your bikes capabilities. Relax, don't tense up (does'nt > help anyway), and feel the grab. > > Todd > > < breaking, and turning. DON'T try it at home!>> > > but isn't it safer to downshift than to hit the brakes??? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 14:28:42 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA13894; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:28:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA07606; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:27:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA07041; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:27:35 -0500 (EST) From: Jinn Sinn Message-ID: <5de951e2.34bbbddd@aol.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:17:48 EST To: badams@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Enough Newbie in the rain subject lines!!! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) In a message dated 1/13/98 2:13:08 PM, badams@XXXXXX wrote: <> Sorry to bore you Bill but I'm actually finding the various information useful as I have exactly 3 days experience riding in the rain and am not exactly sure as to the best way to go about it without killing myself. All you have to do is "ignore" the posts you don't want to read anyway, so what's the big deal? Marcy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 14:30:17 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA13941; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:30:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA07691; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:29:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA07123; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:29:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com by mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (8.8.8/McCaw V8 version 1) id LAA09121; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 11:28:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id LAA20412; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 11:28:38 -0800 Received: from hq-msg01.nwest.mccaw.com by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id LAA20405; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 11:28:37 -0800 Received: by hq-msg01.nwest.mccaw.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD2016.5F65D340@XXXXXX>; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 11:28:29 -0800 Message-ID: From: "Viteri, Ursulina" To: "'Kirk Roy'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Newbie in the rain Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 11:24:37 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 41 TEXT Oh, I'll learn from my mistakes that's for sure! During the summer I wasn't planning on wearing: * the lining in my leather jacket * fleece long sleeve top * long sleeve turtle neck * thick long johns * a pair of wool socks and a pair of cotton socks For summer I'll stick with the jacket, jeans, a shirt, and of course my reflective vest - it's seasonless. Ursulina Viteri 202-416-6534 * Fax 202-223-9095 AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. - Washington, DC >-----Original Message----- >From: Kirk Roy [SMTP:ROYK@XXXXXX] >Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 1998 9:59 AM >To: DC Cycles >Subject: Re: Newbie in the rain > >>Good point. My accident should bump me up a grade in the Newbie level >>system. > >Only application of what you learn moves you along the newbie/motorcycle >god continuum. > >>Would you believe I asked God that if he has any more falls for me in >>mind could he do them while I'm dressing for winter riding. I'm sure >>the extra layers of clothes (and naturally occurring insulation i.e.: >>flab) kept me from getting really hurt. Imagine that same fall if it >>had been summertime. Big Ouch! > >Hmmm, if it had been summertime I would've been dressed basically the same >but without the electric vest... What body part(s) are you willing to have >road rash (or worse) on? To me, summer is no excuse to not be protected. > >Kirk > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 14:31:19 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA13974; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:31:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA07812; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:30:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA07173; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:30:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com by mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (8.8.8/McCaw V8 version 1) id LAA09461; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 11:29:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id LAA20668; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 11:29:40 -0800 Received: from hq-msg01.nwest.mccaw.com by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id LAA20660; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 11:29:38 -0800 Received: by hq-msg01.nwest.mccaw.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD2016.83C1AFC0@XXXXXX>; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 11:29:30 -0800 Message-ID: From: "Viteri, Ursulina" To: "'Jinn Sinn'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: RE: Newbie in the rain Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 11:25:38 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 20 TEXT No, I don't think so. I have a feeling that's what caused me to fall over. Ursulina Viteri 202-416-6534 * Fax 202-223-9095 AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. - Washington, DC >-----Original Message----- >From: Jinn Sinn [SMTP:JinnSinn@XXXXXX] >Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 1998 10:22 AM >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: RE: Newbie in the rain > > >In a message dated 1/13/98 12:30:01 PM, ursulina.viteri@XXXXXX wrote: > ><breaking, and turning. DON'T try it at home!>> > >but isn't it safer to downshift than to hit the brakes??? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 14:37:02 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA14075; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:37:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA08194; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:35:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA07334; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:35:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from default ([12.68.75.144]) by mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA9154; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 19:35:18 +0000 Reply-To: "kevin thomas" From: "kevin thomas" To: "Jinn Sinn" Cc: "dc-cycles" Subject: Re: downshifting Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:31:59 -0500 Message-ID: <01bd2059$eb7f2b40$904b440c@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Marcy-- Brakes are for slowing down. Transmissions are for going. Don't downshift to slow down, only to get into the right gear to get going again. Brakes do a better job of slowing down, and they're _lots_ cheaper than transmissions. Brakes are easier to control and modulate than engine braking, too. Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 14:37:48 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA14104; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:37:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA08261; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:36:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from portal.visa.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA07379; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:36:44 -0500 (EST) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA07099 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Tue, 13 Jan 1998 11:36:32 -0800 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Tue, 13 Jan 1998 11:36:32 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'Jinn Sinn'" , "'badams@XXXXXX'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: The irony of it all Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 11:37:33 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 7 TEXT "Newbie in the rain" ... "Storming off in a huff" Nice metaphor... Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 14:38:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA14154; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:38:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA08311; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:37:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from portal.visa.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA07394; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:37:30 -0500 (EST) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA07190 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Tue, 13 Jan 1998 11:37:28 -0800 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Tue, 13 Jan 1998 11:37:28 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Newbie in the rain Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 11:38:32 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 6 TEXT >Oh, I'll learn from my mistakes that's for sure! It's usually much less painful to learn from others' Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 14:42:35 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA14213; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:42:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA08712; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:41:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA07569; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:41:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id OAA23759; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:40:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (nmta2.mcit.com [166.37.172.3]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id NAA09538; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 13:40:58 -0600 (CST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by nmta2.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19980113194058.DGPI6587@[166.41.242.141]>; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:40:58 -0500 Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:32 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: CC: Subject: Gearing/Downshifting, For Bill..WAS: Re: Newbie in the rain X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980113194058.DGPI6587@[166.41.242.141]> >Ok guys, in your motorcycle techno geek fashion, please explain to us why >Marcy notices a slow down when she downshifts and how it could lead other >dangerous actions if she uses the engine "to slow down" and then her >brakes. Don't forget the potential and kinetic energies here. > >I just can't explain it myself very well. All I know is that down shifting >gives the wheels more power when what you really want to do is remove power >from the wheels and that's what braking does. I can't get too technical either, but will try to be illustrative. The graphs aren't precise, so I don't want to hear it. Power curves typically top out closer to the limit of a bikes rpm. Assume that your power curves (hp&torque) are the same for every gear. So if you are in First gear, your peak power may occur around 6500rpm (NOT for sportbikes, think 12500rpm). Curve in first gear: rpm Peak HP of 70 @ 6500 7000 .... | 6000 ....| 5000 .... | 4000 .... | 3000 .... | 2000 .... | 1000 ... | HP_________15 30 45 60 75 90 Dropping to 2nd gear from 3rd at 3000 rpm would put the engine at a higher rpm and higher on the power curve assuming your throttle stays the same. Assume dropping 3 to 2 from 3000rpm : rpm HP 7000 75 6000 70 5000 Y 65 4000 60 3000 X 55 2000 . 1000 . Gear 1 2 3 4 5 Y is now your potential power, at a higher rpm. >I know on some of the >twisties Sun., I had to brake and then downshift to get around some of >those corners, but I have a 650 single cyclinder 4 speed. > > > > >yes but I notice a definate slowing action when I downshift... If you downshift and throttle at the same time, with practice you will not notice a slowing action at all. The lack of throttle (gasoline) restricts the 'potential' power of the gear you are in. You really don't need to downshift to see this, BTW. Rev out your bike in 2nd gear, and gradually let off the throttle. You will feel the decel. The power is there only if the gasoline is there. Man, I hope I have this right. You real techies (Kevin, et al) are gonna wipe me up otherwise. (:-o Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 14:58:27 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA14871; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:58:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA10873; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:57:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA08336; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:57:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from subspace.tuckerflyer.com by relay2.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id OAA10604; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:57:13 -0500 (EST) Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:55:37 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D37EC08@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'kevin thomas'" , Jinn Sinn Cc: dc-cycles Subject: RE: downshifting Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:54:46 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Ok, I'm confused. I was told that I should downshift & use the brakes as little as possible. Of course, this was told to me by someone who never took the MSF course. I guess bad habit ARE learned through others, eh? Can you give me the specific reasons (i.e. explain engine wear that happens, etc.) it's bad to downshift? I generally don't jerkily downshift, but I do downshift before curves to slow down & get in the correct gear for accelerating through a curve...is this wrong? - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: kevin thomas [SMTP:klthomas@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 1998 2:32 PM > To: Jinn Sinn > Cc: dc-cycles > Subject: Re: downshifting > > Marcy-- > > Brakes are for slowing down. Transmissions are for going. Don't > downshift > to slow down, only to get into the right gear to get going again. > Brakes do > a better job of slowing down, and they're _lots_ cheaper than > transmissions. > Brakes are easier to control and modulate than engine braking, too. > > Kevin > > He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing > it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 14:59:42 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA14935; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:59:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA11018; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:58:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA08379; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:58:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id OAA01523 for ; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:58:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid02.mcit.com [166.37.221.14]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id NAA17322 for ; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 13:58:05 -0600 (CST) Received: from mci.com ([166.32.114.127]) by imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with ESMTP id <19980113195804.OOB28757@XXXXXX> for ; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 13:58:04 -0600 Message-ID: <34BBC74B.457CD5D0@mci.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:58:04 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Reply-To: Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: learning from others References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On that note Michael, I'll resurrect this list I swiped from rec.moto a while back. Lots of funny yet informative things to not do in here. Ragards, Dale (the Horkster) Jordan, Michael wrote: > >Oh, I'll learn from my mistakes that's for sure! > > It's usually much less painful to learn from others' > > Michael J. 101 (or more) Ways To Drop Your Bike Compiled from rec.motorcycles 1. Putting your foot into a hole when stopping. 2. Putting your foot down on something slippery when stopping (gravel, dog shit etc). 3. Locking the front wheel during overenthusiastic braking. 4. Missing the driveway and sliding on the grass. 5. Not putting the kickstand down when getting off. 6. Make a turn from stop in gravel or sand at high throttle. 7. Not putting a board under the kickstand on asphalt on a hot day. 8. Letting overenthusiastic people sit on your bike who have never been on a bike. 9. Forgetting the bike's in gear when you jump on the kickstarter. 10. Revving the engine, releasing clutch, and putting feet on pegs when the light turns green, but the bike's in neutral. 11. Not putting your foot down when stopping on red light. 12. Losing balance when putting it on the centerstand. 13. Take an hour ride in 30 degree weather with no gloves, stop at a stop sign and pop the clutch when you start cause you've lost feeling in your hands. 14. Putting your foot down at a toll booth on the thick layer of grease that builds up when cars stop. 15. Using too much power when you pull out of a greasy toll booth. 16. Ignoring the sand that builds up in the spring at the side of the road in places that sand and salt roads in winter.(my wife dumped her bike at the end of our driveway last week) 17. Kicking your kickstand in a cool fashion and having it bounce back up instead of staying down. 18. Getting off your bike while it is running and forgetting that is in gear. (should have seen my wife do this one) 19. Trying to kickstart your first bike over and over 'cause you didn't realize that it was really out of fuel, and getting the goofy metal ring on the side of your boot caught in the kickstarter, causing you (and the bike) to go over on the right side. 20. Starting your brand-new electric-start trail-bike, riding around an ornamental shrub on full left lock, throwing it to the right and accelerating to wheelie over the curb onto the street and _then_ discovering that you hadn't unlocked the steering-lock... 21. On same bike, getting the dual-range lever caught inside your jeans as you come to a stop... 22. Having your boot/jeans catch the gear-lever and putting your running bike into first gear whilst reaching for the side-stand (which is why I now automatically pull in the clutch whenever deploying or retracting the stand). 23. Having "green" racing linings which have much higher coefficient of friction on the slight rust that forms on the polished drum when you've not ridden for a few hours, and lose the front-end holding the brakes on against the throttle to wear off the rust, with your brother on the back... 24. Having a three-cylinder two-stroke that's so smooth you think you're in second when you're actually in first, so you spin out when the undercarriage touches down in a tight corner passing a car and you think, "just a bit more throttle will help here..." 25. Revving bike in impressive squidly fashion at red light, thinking it's in neutral; dropping clutch and standing in place while bike wheelies and backflips into intersection. (saw it happen) 26. Having your fat-ass brother (as a pillion) lean waaay over to the side to look at something on the ground while at a stop sign. 27. Wife gets foot caught in saddlebag while getting on before you. 28. Rebuild carbs and treat bike like it still needs full gas away from a stop. 29. Add bald tires, and a smattering of rain to 28. 30. Look at the sand at the edge of the exit ramp rather than through the turn. 31. Neither you nor your dad watching while he's backing his car up to the woodpile to unload wood. 32. Not putting the pin that holds the center stand all the way in and then trying to put the bike on the center stand. 33. Trying to hold the bike upright before deploying the center stand only to find your knees are too weak from riding. 34. Park behind friend's mom's minivan figuring "If anybody goes anywhere, they'll surely see it. 'specially since there'll be 5 of them getting into the van. Why can't at LEAST ONE OF THEM LOOK AND SEE THE MOTORCYCLE SO PLAINLY IN VIEW BEHIND THEM?" "Damn." 35. After getting fuel at gas station and holding the bike level with your legs in order to fill it completely, jumping off forgetting that your legs were holding it upright not the kickstand. 36. Entering a DR ("decreasing radius") turn at too high of a speed... This is especially dangerous when making a right turn where if you attempt to straighten up and brake, you'll plow into oncoming traffic... 37. Trying to countersteer (or wheelie) your shaft driven bike? ;-} 38. Getting your boot/ shoelace caught on the gearshift. (I wear laceless boots now). 39. Attempting to kick start a cantankerous '84 CR500, whilst standing on a picnic table bench, and she *kicks* back! 40. Getting pissed off for dropping it in the first place, yanking it vigorously off the ground, only to have it dropped on the _other_ side. 41. Pulling out the swingarm stand, and forgetting to put the sidestand down first. 42. Backing down an inclined driveway, turning to either side with a full tank of gas. 43. Taking the bike off the centerstand and forgetting the sidestand. 44. Riding on wet grass with street tires (Almost as bad as ice!!) 45. Riding on wet asphalt with dirt tires (Almost as bad as ice!!) 46. *Thinking* the kick stand was down when it wasn't 47. Kick stand slowly burying itself in hot asphalt 48. Kick stand slowly burying itself in soft ground 49. Backing up perpendicular to a steeply sloped driveway and attempting to put your foot down on the downhill side while on a large bike with a high seat. (By the time your foot reaches the ground the bike is so far off center balance you won't be able to hold it up.) 50. Backing your bike down a plank, by yourself, from the bed of a pickup truck. Works great as long as you remember that once you start moving stopping for any correction is out of the question. Get two people to stand on each side of you and the bike. 51. Losing your balance when coming to a stop because of fatigue from a long trip. The wind and the buzz of the bike induces an unexpected case of vertigo. Stop often and rest. 52. Riding beyond your limits while trying to keep up with someone who is probably riding beyond their own. Always a temptation. The best riders/racers understand and use discipline when riding. 53. Not paying attention. Always strive to anticipate what could possibly go wrong and be planning what your going to do when it happens, eventually it will - and you'll be ready, instead of surprised when your much more likely to do something stupid and reactionary. 54. Assuming that all wet roads are created equal. They are much more slippery when it first starts to rain - until the oil and dirt are washed away. 55. Assuming that the condition of a blind corner is the same as it was the last time you rode it. Instead you find sticks, road kill, oil, rain wash, stones, pot holes, garbage etc. etc. 56. Not understanding how to get set-up for a corner when pushing the limits. In most cases the bike could have made the corner but the rider decided it couldn't and while in a panic attempted to correct the situation with the brake. WRONG! MSF course will discuss this at length. 57. Riding without all of the protective equipment because I forgot to bring it and after all it was just this one time. Turned out to be the wrong time! I forgot my MX boots and fell on a steeply banked corner and the foot peg attempted to drill into the back of my right calf. On crutches for 3 weeks with a deep bruise. 58. Using a little too much power turning the first corner after you've put on new tyres (with that nice slippery release compound on them). 59. Being to short for the bike you are riding, and coming to a stop sign. 60. Your rider hops on before you are ready. 61. Pushing your bike into the garage and letting it get leaned just a little away from you, pulling you on top of it to the ground. 63. Pulling off both fork caps while the bike is on its centerstand (did this) 64. Park pointing downhill, don't leave it in gear (almost did this, but caught it) 65. Park with sidestand facing up hill, sidestand is too long (Yamaha Radian 600) 66. Allow friend to ride bike that has either no riding experience, or only tiny dirtbike riding experience (they will wheelie out of control, fly straight at the nearest object, or drop it attempting to stop suddenly-happened to my bike twice) 67. Pulling into Dairy Queen and slipping on a spilt chocolate malt. 68. Sitting on your bike on an inclined driveway talking to a very pretty girl, forgetting where in the hell your mind is and then noticing that it's already too close to the ground to stop. 69. Change rear-end oil on a shaft drive bike, spill 90w on tire, don't clean it up and then make a really sharp turn out of the driveway. *Splat* 70. Parking your bike so that it stands upright w/the kick stand down and then having a slow leak in the rear tire which causes the kick stand to push the bike over (long story). 71. Running into a bus after a 120mph+ high speed chase where there is helicopter pursuit and you are being taped by 5 local news stations. 72. Spending 3 hours washing and waxing your bike and then stepping back to admire it with some buddies and then watch it fall right off its side stand while it was warming up. 73. Pushing it over. 74. Covering it with a windsail (aka canvas cover) and letting the wind push it over. 75. Unbolting too many components from the back so that the bike falls off the jack. 76. Having an internally rusted CX500 centre stand come apart whilst putting the bike onto it. 77. Discovering when you stop and try to put your foot down that the kickstart lever is up your pantleg. 78. Letting your wife drive the bike and having her stall it on an inclined driveway while in a 45 degree angle to the incline. 79. Entering a banked freeway onramp with a stoplight at the end, and realizing a little too late that the downside is just a _little_ steeper than you thought. 80. Whacking the throttle open on the highway when you think there's no cop around then slowing to normal speed again only to realize that a trooper has been trying to catch up with you for two miles and he's pissed so he decides to run you off the road because he thinks you were trying to run away from him, even though you explain to him that if you were trying to run that he wouldn't have caught you then getting out of any tickets because the *@!!$#, uh I mean cop, felt bad even though he never said "I'm sorry" . . . .but I'm not bitter 81. While pushing your bike in an attempt to start it by compression, jumping on side-saddle with excessive vigor. 82. Successfully compression starting your bike while running alongside, only to find out that you'd held a BIT too much throttle! 83. Deploying the centre-stand without noticing that the ground falls away on the other side. 84. Taking the wife on a ride on your brand new, first bike in 20+ years and making a slow, tight, turn on gravel. . . . 85. Riding in stilettos and getting stuck on the footrest 86. Swinging your legs too enthusiastically over the bike with tight trousers on and kicking it over 87. Dismounting while trying not to wet yourself (cold weather..tuh!) 88. Riding short distances side-saddle fashion 89. Pulling off with a blood alcohol level exceeding the stated limit... 90. reaching down to pick up your gloves/keys/glasses. 91. paying too much attention to the tiltometer on your valkarie 92. Dropping your dirtbike on the side of a steep hill covered in pine humus, then while getting it righted go over the down side because it's too far of an angle to get a foot down. 93. Trying to ride away on the side of a steep hill covered in pine humus which is slipperier than sand. 94. Bopping down the freshly-oiled farm lane to see the neighbor kid with my brother on the back, cautiously toeing the rear brake, feeling the rear wheel slide as we headed straight for the barn, grabbing a panicky handful of front brake, doing a slow highside despite dabbing mightily, sliding right up to the barn door prone on the well-oiled bike with my brother on top of the pile, and hearing the neighbor say "Didn't that thing used to be orange?" 95. kill the bike while leaned over trying to make a slow, sharp turn in a parking lot 96. Forgetting to remove the disc lock and taking off from the curb with haste.... Tends to break front caliper too. 97. Falling asleep. 98. Getting help from a neighbor in pushing your 750 up a steep ramp into a moving truck. Though he might assure you that he used to ride a motorcycle, it turns out it was a 125 in Bombay. He gets 2/3 of the way up the ramp, looks panicked, and his knees buckle. Crunch. 99. looking at the pretty curb to your left on a right-hand bank. 100.Trying to get a wasp out of your jacket while sitting on the bike, got stung twice before the bike fell. 101.Trying to start out in a quick turn (leaning in anticipation of giving it throttle) and stalling it out because the engine hasn't warmed yet - it's a nice, slow drop... 102.Forgetting to put in oil after an oil change. Starting 'er up, and wondering why the low oil pressure dummy light doesn't turn off. 103.After a brake job, forgetting to pump the lever/pedal a few times, and taking off, wondering why there's no brakes as you're coming up on the intersection. 104.Having a mechanical gate close on you as you're trying to ride through. 105.Hitting that patch of sand which has washed across the road on a blind bend. 106.Absentmindedly putting the bike on the kick stand and walking away before you check to see if the driveway is level ... "crunch". 107.Applying your usual amount of throttle but with a passenger behind you ... "cool ... look at that plane". 108.Pushing your bike into the crowded garage, letting it get leaned just a little away from you, pulling you on top of it into your vintage MG. 109.Popping a wheelie while showing off for a girl, almost looping it, slamming on the rear brake to compensate, and passing out from the bollocking several yards later. 110.Assuming the puddle of liquid behind the convenience store was water when it was actually used motor oil. 111.Starting bike while habitually squeezing clutch lever,standing to the left of the bike, remembering too late that the bike is in gear. Realize too late that the choke gives the bike enough power to drag you 30' across the parking lot in first gear... 112.On your third ride with your first ever bike. Stop at a red light. When the light turns green, you have to start uphill, and turn right at the same time. Somehow that overwhelmed me. I was probably "thinking" too much and just dropped it. Did a lot of uphill practicing after that!! 113.Parking on a bit of an incline (slopes down right to left), having your left foot slip a little when getting back on the bike, and slowly loosing your balance. (actually, may not have been slowly, might have been on of those "time slows down" moments) 114.Let your buddy ride it. And if you are really stupid let him ride it again. 115.Turning onto a busy street and in the middle of the turn you suddenly remember that this street has trolley tracks. 116.Put armor all on your tires to make them look nice and pretty and then ride on the white safety lane line as you take a HARD right turn at 35mph. 117.Throw a party and get together with a random girl on your bike in the garage while extremely drunk. *boom* 118.Pull into parking and failed to ensure proper extension of the sidestand....concluding then with near perfect execution of the Laugh-in scene where the bike topples over onto your leg, and your going down, pinned beneath. 119.Stop for gas, carefully shut off ignition and take key out (to unlock tank), carefully remove helmet and set it over mirror, carefully remove gloves and place on instruments, open jacket, step off bike ... forgetting to put sidestand down. 120.With bike off, try to make walking U-turn in driveway. Bike doesn't have necessary turning radius, front wheel leaves pavement and goes into soft dirt. 121.The setting: Bikes at inside end of driveway, on centerstands, facing away from front of driveway. Backing cage into driveway ... slowly ... at about the right point, stop ... note that cover on bike #1 is moving slightly ... notice bike #1 ever-so-slowly roll forward off its centerstand, then sideways into bike #2. Bike #2 stands there and takes it without falling ... but there's no way to get it to lift #1 122.Tweaking the front brake at a light as you JUST come to a stop with the forks turned to either side at ALL on a top-heavy bike. 123.Jump an old dirt bike over your parents' fence (use a ramp to get enough height). Realize on the way down that you *don't* know how to land. (I believe this was caused by "Adolescent Invincibility Syndrome".) 124.Test-ride an Electra Glide Sport (OK, these days it would have to be a Road King) around the old, cracked pavement in Brisbane near the Cow Palace. 125.Have a BMW with the sidestand linked to the clutch lever, so that pulling in the clutch retracts the stand. 126.Put the bike back together after waiting months since the last crash for a part to arrive, and don't install fuel filters. Gas tank rust clogs carburetor float needles, overflow tubes lube rear tire, brake to avoid manhole cover in curve, the waited-for part is broken. 127.Park next to some twat on a Triumph who leaves his disclock on, and return to find your XV1100 with a few dents and a little note saying 'Sorry' in the brake lever. (I left my phone number too...) 128.While riding home the day after getting your shiny new bike turn onto a dirt road and discover that they are in the process of combing the road and your front tire is now sliding through four inches of loose wet sand (Did I mention it was raining). While picking up your bike be sure to grind plenty of sand into the tank. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 15:05:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA15133; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 15:05:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA11554; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 15:04:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA08622; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 15:04:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id PAA04182; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 15:03:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid01.mcit.com [166.37.221.13]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA22145; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 15:03:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19980113200356.BYYC215@[166.41.242.141]>; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:03:56 -0600 Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:55 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: CC: Subject: Advice giving Was: Newbie in the rain X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980113200356.BYYC215@[166.41.242.141]> Tracy Horstman wrote: >I'm still a newbie myself - the more experienced riders should be able to >really give better advice - mine's mostly book learnin' Book learnin' is great. Application is even better! If you'd like advice while on a ride you should go ahead and ask for it and be prepared to decide for yourself. It's been awhile since I was a new rider, so sometimes I tend to forget who I'm riding with (especially in the recent few months). However, understand that more experience riders could tell you any number of horror stories while riding, and what they've done to improve the situation for the future, but it would be hard for you to relate for lack of experience. Experience is key. Catch 22, a-yup! One thing seems to be very common among new riders. For the first six months of riding (that is, at least 5 days a week), the world seems to be on the attack. Every cage, road conditions, weather and whatever you encounter while riding seems to want to kill you. Know what? IT DOES. But you will learn through experience what to do well in advance of something bad happening. I remember my first year out. Got run off the road 3-times. Know how many times since then? None. On reflection, I think it was me not knowing what to expect. I remember wearing jean shorts, tennis shoes and a tee-shirt for most of my first year. Kept a garbage bag and rope with me for the rain...Doh! Didn't know dooky about the MSF or anything motorcycles then. Picked up a few mags and began to imagine ToddBurger on the road if I didn't change my garb, and start working on my skills. My immediate advice to any new rider is to get to that book learnin', read moto-magazines, take an MSF course and apply what you've learned. And ride, ride RIDE. Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 15:06:46 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA15196; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 15:06:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA11582; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 15:05:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA08726; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 15:05:34 -0500 (EST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id OAA27685; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:04:25 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199801132004.OAA27685@dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com> Received: from slip166-72-74-83.dc.us.ibm.net(166.72.74.83) by dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma027627; Tue Jan 13 14:04:00 1998 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Bill Schmidt" To: "Viteri, Ursulina" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 15:04:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: RE: RE: Newbie in the rain Reply-to: billsch@XXXXXX Priority: normal In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) Perhaps the point that has been missed here is the key to stability in "marginal traction" situations is rate of application of the acceleration or deceleration force -- be it brake or engine. You need to assure that whatever force that's applied, whether through throttle or brake (or change of direction) does not exceed the traction margin available for the conditions. There's nothing about a downshift that inherently leads to any change in the rate of acceleration/deceleration. You can downshift to smoothly accelerate or smoothly decelerate. On the other hand, if you don't control the engine rpm, you can lock the rear wheel or make like a unicycle. One of the problems that beginners frequently have on wet/gravel/ice-covered roads is the use (or perhaps over-use) of the front brake -- an almost certain technique for kissing the ground. > No, I don't think so. I have a feeling that's what caused me to > fall over. > > Ursulina Viteri > 202-416-6534 * Fax 202-223-9095 > AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. - Washington, DC > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Jinn Sinn [SMTP:JinnSinn@XXXXXX] > >Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 1998 10:22 AM > >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >Subject: Re: RE: Newbie in the rain > > > > > >In a message dated 1/13/98 12:30:01 PM, ursulina.viteri@XXXXXX wrote: > > > >< >breaking, and turning. DON'T try it at home!>> > > > >but isn't it safer to downshift than to hit the brakes??? > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 15:08:19 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA15313; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 15:08:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA11656; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 15:07:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA08878; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 15:07:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id OAA23773; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:06:22 -0600 (CST) Received: from imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid01.mcit.com [166.37.221.13]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA19307; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 15:06:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by imeid01.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19980113200621.BZFJ215@[166.41.242.141]>; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:06:21 -0600 Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:56 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: "Jordan, Michael" CC: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: The irony of it all X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980113200621.BZFJ215@[166.41.242.141]> >"Newbie in the rain" ... "Storming off in a huff" > >Nice metaphor... > >Michael J. Don't know if he meant it that way, but LOL. Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 15:25:57 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA15775; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 15:25:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA12095; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 15:24:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from m-net.arbornet.org by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA09552; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 15:24:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (bmccoy@localhost) by m-net.arbornet.org (8.8.5/8.8.6) with SMTP id OAA10520 for ; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:56:07 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:56:06 -0500 (EST) From: Brian McCoy To: DC-Cycles list Subject: summer gear? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Be warned - Jeans may help a little in a crash - but even over 15 MPH you're going to do a lot of damage to the jeans - and your leg. You saw the jeans I was wearing on Sunday? I went down in those 2 years ago at 10mph - the jeans were torn, and my leg was severly mangled (well, the skin was at least) - having a scotch-bright pad scrubbed on the was not the most pleasent feeling - and I don't want to do it again... I DO ride in jeans still in the summer - but I don't feel comfortable when I do... Anyway, YMMV On Tue, 13 Jan 1998, Viteri, Ursulina wrote: > > For summer I'll stick with the jacket, jeans, a shirt, and of course my > reflective vest - it's seasonless. > Brian P. McCoy - 86' VF500fg (street) - 92/94 RS125 (race) bmccoy@XXXXXX (work) (301)210-8000 x 2155 (work) bmccoy@XXXXXX (personal) (301)445-4451 (home) www.geocities.com\motorcity\1319 (OLD Homepage - view at your own risk) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 15:44:23 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA16043; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 15:44:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA12382; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 15:43:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from beta.mcit.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA00602; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 15:43:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id OAA09686; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:42:35 -0600 (CST) Received: from imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid02.mcit.com [166.37.221.14]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id OAA14615; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:42:34 -0600 (CST) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by imeid02.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with SMTP id <19980113204234.TNA28757@[166.41.242.141]>; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:42:34 -0600 Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 15:33 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Peer To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" CC: dc-cycles Subject: RE: downshifting X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980113204234.TNA28757@[166.41.242.141]> Jeannette O'Brien wrote: >Ok, I'm confused. I was told that I should downshift & use the brakes >as little as possible. Of course, this was told to me by someone who >never took the MSF course. I guess bad habit ARE learned through >others, eh? Can you give me the specific reasons (i.e. explain engine >wear that happens, etc.) it's bad to downshift? I generally don't >jerkily downshift, but I do downshift before curves to slow down & get >in the correct gear for accelerating through a curve...is this wrong? > >Kevin Thomas wrote: > > > >Brakes are for slowing down. Transmissions are for going. Don't > >downshift > >to slow down, only to get into the right gear to get going again. > >Brakes do > >a better job of slowing down, and they're _lots_ cheaper than > >transmissions. > >Brakes are easier to control and modulate than engine braking, too. > > If you practice downshifting for every curve, I'd say it is wrong. Of course your gearing may be exceptional for this. I don't agree with Kevin explicitly, but what he says about the brakes and trany are true. I sometimes engine brake ONLY for a stop light until I need to pull the clutch in, and then I brake from a 5mph roll. Most times I use the combination. Like you, I'm still unclear what damage I could be doing to the trany while engine braking. I read it here where downshifting in a corner was not a good idea. I tend to agree with this bit of advice. Chirping your rear while leaned over might work for some, but I'd be afraid of sliding out. Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 15:50:48 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA16193; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 15:50:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA12493; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 15:49:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from m-net.arbornet.org by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA00804; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 15:49:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (bmccoy@localhost) by m-net.arbornet.org (8.8.5/8.8.6) with SMTP id PAA18063 for ; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 15:40:51 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 15:40:50 -0500 (EST) From: Brian McCoy To: DC-Cycles list Subject: RE: downshifting In-Reply-To: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D37EC08@badge.tuckerflyer.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Downshifting to get into the proper gear is Perfect - that's what you should do - but using the engine to slow you is a bad thing - it puts excessive wear on the engine and transmision. Well, bikes like our V4's are relitivly indestructable - but everything wears and breaks - why not prolong that for as long as possible? Especially when the brakes do such a Great job at slowing us down? This is a case of 'do as i say, and not as I do' - but I have a reason behind my engine braking - my brakes don't work worth a damn. If I didn't use the engine to slow down, I'd end up hurting myself somewhere (just means I plan ahead and try to never get over my head.) It makes me a more conservitive rider I guess (alright, stop laughing y'all... I mean it... stop laughing.. ;).. one mans opinions... non techincal opinions too.. :P On Tue, 13 Jan 1998, O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: > Ok, I'm confused. I was told that I should downshift & use the brakes > as little as possible. Of course, this was told to me by someone who > never took the MSF course. I guess bad habit ARE learned through > others, eh? Can you give me the specific reasons (i.e. explain engine > wear that happens, etc.) it's bad to downshift? I generally don't > jerkily downshift, but I do downshift before curves to slow down & get > in the correct gear for accelerating through a curve...is this wrong? > > - Jeannette Brian P. McCoy - 86' VF500fg (street) - 92/94 RS125 (race) bmccoy@XXXXXX (work) (301)210-8000 x 2155 (work) bmccoy@XXXXXX (personal) (301)445-4451 (home) www.geocities.com\motorcity\1319 (OLD Homepage - view at your own risk) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 16:32:50 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA17240; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 16:32:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA13869; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 16:31:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA02398; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 16:31:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com by mailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (8.8.8/McCaw V8 version 1) id NAA13462; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 13:30:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id NAA19635; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 13:30:39 -0800 Received: from hq_msg01.nwest.mccaw.com by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id NAA19619; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 13:30:36 -0800 Received: by hq_msg01.nwest.mccaw.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD2027.664911C0@XXXXXX>; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 13:30:22 -0800 Message-ID: From: "Viteri, Ursulina" To: "'Brian McCoy'" , "'DC-Cycles list'" Subject: RE: summer gear? Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 13:26:36 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 39 TEXT Now you're scaring me, so quit it! : - ) I know jeans aren't the greatest but what else can I do? Get those Kevlar padded jeans (Draggin Jeans) advertised in the back of cycle magazines? Has anyone tried them? And what does YMMV mean? Ursulina Viteri 202-416-6534 * Fax 202-223-9095 AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. - Washington, DC >-----Original Message----- >From: Brian McCoy [SMTP:bmccoy@XXXXXX] >Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 1998 11:56 AM >To: DC-Cycles list >Subject: summer gear? > >Be warned - Jeans may help a little in a crash - but even over 15 MPH >you're going to do a lot of damage to the jeans - and your leg. You saw >the jeans I was wearing on Sunday? I went down in those 2 years ago at >10mph - the jeans were torn, and my leg was severly mangled (well, the >skin was at least) - having a scotch-bright pad scrubbed on the was not >the most pleasent feeling - and I don't want to do it again... I DO ride >in jeans still in the summer - but I don't feel comfortable when I do... > >Anyway, YMMV > >On Tue, 13 Jan 1998, Viteri, Ursulina wrote: >> >> For summer I'll stick with the jacket, jeans, a shirt, and of course my >> reflective vest - it's seasonless. >> > >Brian P. McCoy - 86' VF500fg (street) - 92/94 RS125 (race) >bmccoy@XXXXXX (work) (301)210-8000 x 2155 (work) >bmccoy@XXXXXX (personal) (301)445-4451 (home) >www.geocities.com\motorcity\1319 (OLD Homepage - view at your own risk) > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 16:34:04 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA17255; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 16:34:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from ringding.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA13903; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 16:33:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from sundown.northgrum.com by ringding.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA02490; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 16:32:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from puff.northgrum.com (puff.northgrum.com [157.127.103.139]) by sundown.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id NAA23108 for ; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 13:27:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from xcgca011.northgrum.com ([157.127.103.101]) by puff.northgrum.com (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id NAA20312 for ; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 13:27:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by XCGCA011 with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 13:28:34 -0800 Message-ID: <11D743514607D011A15500805FEA3464A45DDB@xcgva001.grumman.com> From: "Meier, Christopher" To: "Viteri, Ursulina" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX, "'billsch@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: RE: Newbie in the rain Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 13:28:21 -0800 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain > ---------- > From: Bill Schmidt[SMTP:billsch@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 1998 3:04 PM > To: Viteri, Ursulina; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: RE: Newbie in the rain > > Perhaps the point that has been missed here is the key to > stability in "marginal traction" situations is rate of application of > the acceleration or deceleration force -- be it brake or engine. You > need to assure that whatever force that's applied, whether > through throttle or brake (or change of direction) does not exceed > the traction margin available for the conditions. > > Exactly! Well said. Also keep in mind that available traction can be a variable of suspensions and their compression at the time. To wit ... if you are slamming through a corner to hot and on the throttle, when you panic and roll off the throttle, you shift the weight of the bike forward and "lighten the load" on the rear wheel, upsetting the 60-40 rear balance that is generally accepted as optimal. Couple that with a downshift at too much RPM and you have a problem since the contact patch is already lessened by the lean angle, AND the tire grip is lessened by the weight transfer ... of course when you add rain to that equation ... well you get the point. I find that the best strategy when riding in the rain, is the same one I use when I carry passengers ... _be smooth_ and leave a bit more following distance and stopping room. I find that the best strategy when too hot into a corner in dry conditions is to trust the bike and increase the lean angle, as I rarely push the limit of my bike such that there not any lean left. YMMV, and probably does, chris PS regarding Ursula's "mishap" ... I had a bed feeling as we were heading up to Sugarloaf that something might happen. I was in the fast pack at the front and came into a corner a little bit hot, and got off line (not out of my lane, but off the line I wanted to take). As I drifted wide and crossed the middle of my own lane (I set up the line on the inside) I hit a sandy/gravel patch and slid both wheels of the RF about a foot out. Not a big problem, I recovered just fine and just had a minor butt pucker :-) ... but I got really nervous for those following us ... since I knew they were still learning some of the ropes. I am very glad that you were OK and think it will be a good lesson in the end. BTW, you just switch camps in the old axiom "there are two types of riders ... those that have gone down and those that will go down" :-) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Christopher A. Meier meierch@XXXXXX Northrop Grumman Corporation, Washington DC, USA 1994 RF900R AMA #470094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 17:59:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA18578; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 17:59:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA15693; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 17:58:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from olg.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA02204; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 17:58:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.226.128.144] (unverified [207.226.128.144]) by olg.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 18:02:39 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: tire vendors, balancers, mounters... Date: Tue, 13 Jan 98 17:58:11 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: George Howell To: "Alan Lapp" , "DC Cycles" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >It sounds like the shop you mentioned is cutting tire prices, but making it >up in service. Sadly, no. They don't have cheap tire prices either. They have the only shop in Charles or St. Mary's counties and they gouge the customer in return. Anybody have any luck with Clinton Cycles? (Now it should be called Ft. Washington Cycles:) Maybe I'll call up there today. It's a little further for me, but not too bad (especially since moving to the apartment last month:) ``` (o o) *------------oooO----(_)-------------------* |..George Howell..ghowell@XXXXXX..........| |.................georgehowell@XXXXXX..| *--------------------------oooO------------* |__||__| || || ooO Ooo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 18:09:22 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA18839; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 18:09:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA15802; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 18:08:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.his.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA02494; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 18:08:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from harris.his.com (harris.his.com [205.252.80.17]) by mail.his.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA15555 for ; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 18:08:01 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980113175533.008bda70@mail.his.com> X-Sender: harris@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 17:55:33 -0500 To: dc-cycles From: Stephen Harris Subject: Re: Sunday Trip Report In-Reply-To: <34B98ECD.3117@mnsinc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 07:32 PM 1/11/98 -0800, John C. Kozyn wrote: >Great weather, nice ride. Thanks again Steve. One and all are welcome. I'm glad everything workout fine. Happy that Ursulina didn't get hurt (think of the kool stories you now have, stuffed it chasing a couple of racers up a mountian...:-). Stephen --- Stephen Taylor Harris http://www.his.com/~harris From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 18:49:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA19819; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 18:49:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA16040; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 18:48:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from micros-bh.micros.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA04423; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 18:48:29 -0500 (EST) From: bmccoy@XXXXXX Received: (from uucp@localhost) by micros-bh.micros.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id SAA03157 for ; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 18:29:14 -0500 Received: from micros.micros.com by micros-bh.micros.com via smap (3.2) id xma002908; Tue, 13 Jan 98 18:28:50 -0500 Received: from smtplink.micros.com (smtplink.micros.com [206.241.52.10]) by micros.micros.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/micros-2.1) with SMTP id SAA18839 for ; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 18:28:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.10.00) id AA884731713; Tue, 13 Jan 98 18:25:56 -0500 Message-Id: <9801138847.AA884731713@smtplink.micros.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.10.00 Date: Tue, 13 Jan 98 13:45:21 -0500 Cc: Subject: Was(Re[2]: Newbie in the rain ) .. now??? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Good lord Leon - you've never spent more than $500 on any one motorcycle? Heck, even my best buy didn't get below $700 - though i did buy my truck for $100 (52 Check pick-um-up truck)... Brian ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ I took my winter fall as a message from God to buy an Aerostich. I have a new one being built as we type. It costs $300 more than the most expensive bike I've ever bought. Leon. Viteri, Ursulina wrote: > Good point. My accident should bump me up a grade in the Newbie level > > system. > > Would you believe I asked God that if he has any more falls for me in > mind could he do them while I'm dressing for winter riding. I'm sure > the extra layers of clothes (and naturally occurring insulation i.e.: > flab) kept me from getting really hurt. Imagine that same fall if it > had been summertime. Big Ouch! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 19:17:10 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA20308; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 19:17:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA16302; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 19:15:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA05596; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 19:15:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from default ([12.68.78.38]) by mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA3962; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 00:15:22 +0000 Reply-To: "kevin thomas" From: "kevin thomas" To: "Viteri, Ursulina" Cc: "dc-cycles" Subject: Re: gear Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 19:11:59 -0500 Message-ID: <01bd2081$098ac000$LocalHost@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Ursulina-- The Kevlar jeans seem to be useful. A couple of listers have them, but I don't think they've been "tested". The ones from Two Brothers Racing are said to be better than the Draggins. In real tests by Cycle World, regular jeans didn't cut it. They dragged various materials sewn to sandbags down the road until the bag started leaking sand (and chalk added to make the leak visible) at 50mph. Competition weight leather went 86ft. Kevlar went 22 ft 1in. Cordura 440 18ft 3in. Fashion leather 4ft 4in. Jeans 3ft 10in. I've been down 3 times. Only one involved me sliding on pavement. That time, I lowsided, but my short slide was mostly on my leather jacket. I was wearing a backpack crammed full of textbooks (on the way home from the 1st day of school), and it seems like my legs were kinda in the air. I was top heavy. Anyway, 1.25 inch hole in the jacket, light scrape on me, no jeans damage. Competition weight is 1.3 mm. Mine was 1.1. Not all companies make accurate claims about thickness, btw. I pray for similar good fortune whenever I ride in jeans. I now have leather pants, but don't always wear them. One problem is anything I wear or carry to school, I have to wear or carry around all day. YMMV: your mileage may vary Colleen sells used and new leather. You can email her at MotorLE@XXXXXX. Her web page with an inventory listing is http://members.aol.com/motorle/index.html She is honest and reliable. See ya Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 19:28:21 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA20416; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 19:28:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA16364; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 19:27:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA05852; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 19:27:15 -0500 (EST) From: MotorLE Message-ID: <6a3db417.34bc063a@aol.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 19:26:32 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Dale.Horstman@XXXXXX Subject: Re: learning from others (101 ways to drop your bike) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) I myself have dropped my motorcycles with the following methods: 1,2,5,7,9,38,81,112 (but it was my first new bike ride, not my third), and114. But the list left out my favorite, #129, which is : On a nice sunny day with lots of people watching from the balcony, falling over trying to avoid the child crouched down on the sidewalk in front of the bar who I didn't see until I was already on the sidewalk. There's a #130 as well, but I won't go into that. Colleen From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 19:32:41 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA20486; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 19:32:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA16386; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 19:31:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA05937; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 19:31:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from default ([12.68.78.38]) by mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA27522 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 00:30:53 +0000 Reply-To: "kevin thomas" From: "kevin thomas" To: "dc-cycles" Subject: used leather, BMWs Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 19:27:36 -0500 Message-ID: <01bd2083$3733fb00$LocalHost@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003C_01BD2059.4E5DF300" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003C_01BD2059.4E5DF300 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey, y'all-- All this talk about newbies and falling down reminds me it's time for a = reminder. Colleen , our fellow lister, sells used and new leather and used BMW = parts. Also an occasional BMW cycle. She never promotes her business = on the list; she's concerned you might think she's spamming. I think = she'd do us all a big favor if she did promote her business, but nobody = ever listens to me. So once in a while, I do a little promoting. Here = it is. =20 Colleen has a huge inventory of new and used leather, including some = non-motorcycle stuff. She has boots, gloves, jackets, pants, suits, = chaps, rainsuits (new), and a new XL Arai XR7RR (or something like = that). Also some motorcycle miscellany, including a VF500 Interceptor = Clymer's manual. She has used BMW parts, and has a gorgeous 87 R80 = (RS?) for sale. She also may still have a room for rent in Silver = Spring, with garage space for your motorcycle. You can email her at MotorLE@XXXXXX. Her web page with an inventory = listing is http://members.aol.com/motorle/index.html She is honest = and reliable. =20 If this sounds like spam, complain to me, not Colleen. If any of the = specific items I mentioned are no longer available, that's my fault for = not checking. Sorry. Later Kevin He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt him who is doing it. ------=_NextPart_000_003C_01BD2059.4E5DF300 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hey, = y'all-- 
 
All this talk about newbies and = falling down=20 reminds me it's time for a reminder.
 
Colleen , our fellow lister, sells used and new leather and used = BMW=20 parts.  Also an occasional BMW cycle.  She never promotes her = business=20 on the list; she's concerned you might think she's spamming.  I = think she'd=20 do us all a big favor if she did promote her business, but nobody ever = listens=20 to me.  So once in a while, I do a little promoting.  Here it=20 is. 
 
Colleen has a huge inventory of new and used leather, including = some=20 non-motorcycle stuff.  She has boots, gloves, jackets, pants, = suits, chaps,=20 rainsuits (new), and a new XL Arai XR7RR (or something like that).  = Also=20 some motorcycle miscellany, including a VF500 Interceptor Clymer's = manual. =20 She has used BMW parts, and has a gorgeous 87 R80 (RS?) for = sale.  =20 She also may still have a room for rent in Silver Spring, with garage = space for=20 your motorcycle.
 
You can email her at MotorLE@XXXXXX.    = Her web=20 page with an inventory listing is  http://members.aol.com= /motorle/index.html    =20 She is honest and reliable. 
 
If this sounds like spam, complain to me, not Colleen.  If any = of the=20 specific items I mentioned are no longer available, that's my fault for = not=20 checking.  Sorry.
 
Later
Kevin 
 
He who says it cannot be done should = not=20 interrupt him who is doing it.
------=_NextPart_000_003C_01BD2059.4E5DF300-- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 20:59:03 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA21601; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 20:59:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA17478; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 20:57:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp3.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA07631; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 20:57:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (spg-as99s69.erols.com [207.172.88.20]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA27103 for ; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 21:01:43 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <34BC1B17.95DAB7B7@geocities.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 20:55:35 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Hot Corners was Re: Newbie in the rain References: <11D743514607D011A15500805FEA3464A45DDB@xcgva001.grumman.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Good point Chris...Most accidents when people are too hot in the corner is due to panicking and standing the bike up through braking then out the back of the corner. It sounds strange at first, but applying more power and crank the lean on down is the best way to get through safely. Applying the power will keep weight on the rear and give you more ground clearance for a steeper lean angle on the front...humbly paraphrased from Mr. Keith Code's "Soft Science of RoadRacing". Collin Meier, Christopher wrote: > I find that the best strategy when too hot into a corner in dry > conditions is to trust the bike and increase the lean angle, as I rarely > push the limit of my bike such that there not any lean left. > -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 20:59:25 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA21614; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 20:59:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA17482; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 20:58:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.mnsinc.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA07646; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 20:58:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay.mnsinc.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA19319 for ; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 20:58:15 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <34BC4659.146A@mnsinc.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 21:00:09 -0800 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Braking and Turning Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Louis wrote: > One thing I've read, but haven't tried, is that if you do need to brake in > a curve, start with the rear brake, that helps to control the weight shift > forward, and keeps some more traction on the rear tire. Again, I haven't > tested this, maybe others have? I did not know that controlled rear braking would facilitate the weight transfer, but curiously I've been doing that for a long time now. Never really thought about it much, but I find that carefully modulated braking (front + rear) while turning is possible, although I feel way more confident if I'm up straight. I also agree with another remark (Chris Norloff's ?) that when roadway is dry, just lean and give it more gas. Although I should admit that when having done so I am _paranoid_ my rear wheel will slide and make me lowside. JK From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 21:24:21 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA21949; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 21:24:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA17681; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 21:23:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp3.erols.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA08130; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 21:23:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (spg-as99s69.erols.com [207.172.88.20]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA12252 for ; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 21:27:11 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <34BC210E.4C7BC784@geocities.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 21:21:02 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Ridin Gear Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Can't remember if it was on this list or one of the many other that I waste all kinds of time readin, but someone posted the results of a scientific test which showed the abrasion resistance of the various gear. The outline of the results was pretty much the same as the one Kevin mentioned by cycle world.... What it boiled down to, though, is that there is no substitute for good quality leather. Cheap leather and Cordura came in an extreme distant second. New denim offered slightly better protection than worn denim; however, the denim results were negligibly better than bare skin!! Personally, I feel extremely uncomfortable in jeans on a bike, but that's because I generally always wear my extra heavy leather pants and jacket..all the time..even when it tops 100 in the summer. The gas station 5 houses up from my house is about as far as I'll go in jeans...It's your skin though... I've had a skin graft before..and I never want that experience again :) (The bone graft was even worse, but at least it left a neato scar) Collin -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 21:53:08 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA22276; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 21:53:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA17796; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 21:51:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from welchlink.welch.jhu.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA08593; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 21:51:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from firewall_out.adventisthealthcare.com ([209.49.109.130]) by welchlink.welch.jhu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA28741 for ; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 21:49:20 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980113215253.006a68fc@pop.mindspring.com> Received: from [172.16.4.56] by firewall_out.adventisthealthcare.com via smtpd (for welchlink.welch.jhu.edu [128.220.59.78]) with SMTP; 14 Jan 1998 02:51:50 UT X-Sender: hggmd@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 21:52:53 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." Subject: Pantyhose condoms (Protective Gear) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" With my mix of medicine and motorcycles, I have a unique perspective on gear, having seen the range of results first hand. I never appreciated what real protective gear was until I got my Vanson armored leathers. Now, I try to wear full leathers or my padded cordura riding suit (in bad/cold) whenever I'm on my bike. When it's really hot I'll wear jeans, but I really feel naked in them. Actually, it's more the feeling of using a condom made from pantyhose: you can only convince yourself of so much since you know better. Consequently, I'm looking into a two-piece Aerostich with armor. At minimum, though, I don't move unless I've got my helmet, jacket, gloves, and boots on (check my website for specifics). All my equipment have vents or vary by season. If I can't plan a route where I can keep moving in the heat, I'd rather be creeping in the Rover with the AC on and cup holders filled than ride unprotected. Harry Bethesda, MD '97 BMW R1100RT http://www.greenspun.com/harry/bikes.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 21:55:04 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA22333; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 21:55:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA17913; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 21:54:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA08749; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 21:53:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-3.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.44]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA05170 for ; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 21:53:26 -0500 Message-ID: <012601bd2097$e18e6cc0$2c10b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "dc-cycles" Subject: Re: downshifting Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 21:53:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 FWIW -- a quick and dirty personal creed that has seemed to guide me through most downshifting over the (car and bike) years -- "Engines go, Brakes stop". (resurrected from 5-on-the-floor days, and tempered by sage comments such as below and extended discussions elsewhere). The reason for downshifting is to prepare the engine speed/power range for the next smooth go (curves, traffic), without using traction. (If a full stop looms -- it's both my hands agripping.) Assuming potent brakes, engine braking is an inefficient byproduct of the downshifting and driving process, to be avoided (difficult, much of the time) for all kinds of reasons. (This ignores, of course, the occasional visceral pleasures and attractions of rumbling, popping pipes.) As Brian McCoy (if I may) said [about [braking] downshifting ] "Why? Brake pads are SOOOO much cheaper than engine parts..." Well, there's a lot more bike and track experience than I have talking on this here. It's just that I've found a lot sorted out by asking "When do I want to stop, and when do I want to be prepared to go?" And trying to get my (never enough) hands and feet to do the right thing. Bill Swanson 96 Vulcan 500 LTD Downtown DC AMA, + -----Original Message----- From: Todd Peer Date: Tuesday, January 13, 1998 4:14 PM >Jeannette O'Brien wrote: >>Ok, I'm confused. I was told that I should downshift & use the brakes >>as little as possible. Of course, this was told to me by someone who >>never took the MSF course. I guess bad habit ARE learned through >>others, eh? Can you give me the specific reasons (i.e. explain engine >>wear that happens, etc.) it's bad to downshift? I generally don't >>jerkily downshift, but I do downshift before curves to slow down & get >>in the correct gear for accelerating through a curve...is this wrong? >> >>Kevin Thomas wrote: >> > >> >Brakes are for slowing down. Transmissions are for going. Don't >> >downshift >> >to slow down, only to get into the right gear to get going again. >> >Brakes do >> >a better job of slowing down, and they're _lots_ cheaper than >> >transmissions. >> >Brakes are easier to control and modulate than engine braking, too. >> > > > If you practice downshifting for every curve, I'd say it is wrong. >Of course your gearing may be exceptional for this. > > I don't agree with Kevin explicitly, but what he says about the >brakes and trany are true. I sometimes engine brake ONLY for a stop >light until I need to pull the clutch in, and then I brake from a 5mph >roll. Most times I use the combination. Like you, I'm still unclear >what damage I could be doing to the trany while engine braking. > > I read it here where downshifting in a corner was not a good idea. >I tend to agree with this bit of advice. Chirping your rear while >leaned over might work for some, but I'd be afraid of sliding out. > > Todd > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 22:08:15 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA22599; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 22:08:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA18433; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 22:07:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from welchlink.welch.jhu.edu by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA09132; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 22:06:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from firewall_out.adventisthealthcare.com ([209.49.109.130]) by welchlink.welch.jhu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA01765 for ; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 22:04:28 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980113220801.006a7678@pop.mindspring.com> Received: from [172.16.4.56] by firewall_out.adventisthealthcare.com via smtpd (for welchlink.welch.jhu.edu [128.220.59.78]) with SMTP; 14 Jan 1998 03:06:57 UT X-Sender: hggmd@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 22:08:01 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." Subject: Wednesday Ride Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Okay, Looking at the weather page (http://www.weatherpost.com/cities/mdbe.htm) it looks like tomorrow (Wednesday) is going to be the best day this week. Anyone up for riding? Before everyone gets their knickers in a twist about me riding instead of working, here are the facts: I'll have worked 24 hours straight, which is why I'll be off. Thankfully it's coinciding with some nice weather. I'll probably do another Catoctin loop. Meanwhile, once you've gotten over your jealousy (if you have to work or can't quit your job) you can start feeling sorry for me because I'm on call all weekend, which is supposed to be beautiful. Worse yet, it's my birthday Friday! Harry Bethesda, MD '97 BMW R1100RT http://www.greenspun.com/harry/bikes.htm "The more you live, the less you die." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 22:37:20 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA22992; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 22:37:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA19152; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 22:36:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA09713; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 22:36:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mberman@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id WAA11341; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 22:43:12 -0500 Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 22:43:11 -0500 (EST) From: Morris Berman To: Michael Cruz cc: "Cycles, DC -- DC Cycles" Subject: My Great Western Adventure (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hmmm, a cross country trip. I almost did this past summer. I only went as far west as Idaho, I just did a great western parks tour. I had about two weeks to do mine on a 96 GPz 1100. My goals were a little different than yours. I went out to SD on the interstates and then tried to stay off of them until I returned back East from Denver. I would suggest not taking all interstates, as you'll miss some of the best roads in the country. I wrote up a (sort of) long trip report from that trip that I'll forward to you. (I actually posted it to DC-Cycles a few months ago) A few brief comments: Southern Montana (especially Eastern) is not worth the trouble (in my opinion). If you can, definately try to get on the Bear Tooth Highway into Yellowstone. The Camelback was very nice to have, but I used it way too much and ended up taking more bladder stops than necessary. I had a three bag Givi setup on my GPz that worked well for me (until it broke). Most of my camping I did in Dept of Agriculture campgrounds, they can be found all over the National Forests. They cost about $5-$15 and you pay by dropping cash into a drop box. Definately be concerned about bears when you're camping out west, you do NOT want ANY food in your tent. Since you're riding a chain-driven machine, you'll REALLY appreciate a shaftie after your trip. Be SURE have chain lube ith you and plan to adjust your chain several times throughout your trip. As a result, you will find it very nice to have some waterless handcleaner with you and some papertowels (Fast Orange is available in small tubes at Trak Auto). You probably will want to augment the bike's stock tool set. Be sure that you are comfortable doing your own minor maintenance. One thing I discovered mid-trip was that I didn't have the proper socket to remove my Givi rack (see trip report). Also, you will be riding in the rain, be prepared for it. Beware of wash-outs during short-intense desert rainstorms. Start the trip with a new set of tires, as they will probably be spent by the time you're done. It's much easier to waste a few thousand miles of tread at home, than waste time in mid-trip with a tire change. A radio is very nice to have, especially for weather/traffic reports. Speaking of which, you WILL find construction on the interstates out west. You may run into signs on state roads such as: "Warning: pavement ends", "Warning: Fresh Oil/Loose Gravel Ahead." Just be ready for them. Also remember travel at sustained legal western limits (upwards of 90 mph) greatly reduce your mileage. To help stay awake and alert, I found that food was a definate aid. I was able to put a bag of crackers or pretzels in my tank bag and eat them while riding if I raised my visor slightly on my RF-200. If you have one, a cell phone can be a great emergency device, and you'd be suprised at the number of places you get a signal in the middle of nowhere using Cell One or Bell Atlantic. Check the Iron Butt home page for additional suggestions for long distance touring. Definately bring a camera and plenty of film. You will run into other bikers and 95% of them will be friendly (Harley riders included). Let me know what you decide to do and how it goes. Above all else, have fun and write a trip report afterwards and post it to DC-Cycles. -Morris Berman mberman@XXXXXX ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 01:09:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Morris Berman Subject: My Great Western Adventure Since I'd mentioned this to several at the RCR, I figured I'd post my trip report (also since I wrote so much I thought I'd subject as many people to it as possible!). I have finally completed my Great Western Adventure. A little background first. The only other long distance, multi-day tour I've done was the RCR (about 2,100 miles) and a friend accompanied me for that trip. This is the second major trip (overnighter ) and the 1st solo trip (other than short day rides) I've done. I have to say that I really did enjoy it. I decided that I wanted to see the west on my bike and, in addition, stop by my brother's house in Park City, UT (He didn't believe that I'd actua lly visit on a bike.). I allocated about 2 weeks for the trip planning on doing about 500 miles/day to get out there and back, and about 300/day once there for sight seeing. The old mileage plans fell through and I ended up doing about 400/day during th e sightseeing part. I was also going to try to see as many national parks as possible (though this didn't quite pan out due to rain/gravel/late starts). I did the trip on a '96 GPz 1100 with a three bag Givi set up. I used a motel only 3 nights, the re st were camping or family/friend's house. I was going to write a short version and a long version, the short version grew so I decided to nix the short version and go only with the versbose one. However, I did include some brief notes. And now what you 've all been waiting for: The Trip Report... Vital Statistics: Start/End: Maryland (Washington, DC suburbs) Farthest Point North: Harlowton, MT Farthest Point West: St. George (actually Hurricane), UT Farthest Point South: Kayenta, AZ (actually junction of AZ98 & US160) Highest Point: 12,183' (Trail Ridge Drive) Distance: 7,231 miles Fuel: 182 gallons Duration: 14.5 days Average Mileage: 40.3 miles/gallon Highlights: Beartooth Highway: beautiful scenery and excellent riding Riding through the Rain in the Desert: very cool experience Welding shop in La Verkin, UT: $30.00 to repair my Givi rack Snow Family Guest Ranch: watched my Givi bags during repair of rack Moose viewing in Grand Teton: ~4' from the road Zion Canyon: NPS did a great job routing the road through the canyon Escalante Wilderness, UT12: Very scenic and fun to ride Columbine Cafe in Leadville: great red chile Fellow bikers along the way: great conversation and company Cadillac Ranch Proprieter: very friendly and locally knowledgable GPz 1100: eats up both the miles and the twisties Lowlights: Riding through the desert in the rain: very wet and slick in spots East canyon: ridden at night with no moon and loose gravel I70, I80, I90, I64, I81, I66: need I say more? "Pavement Ends", "Loose Gravel/Fresh Oil" signs: I hate gravel roads! Montana: at least the part I was in, I've seen enough pastures now! CO149 & CO92: without the rain, this road pair would be highlights Chain drive: a pain in the ass Good Things I did: Food in the tank bag to eat on the way and the Camelback of water Torque wrench brought for the ride O-Ring throttle lock Cheap poncho to keep rain off of dashboard/controls at night Brought AAA campbooks and both regional and state maps Kept a journal Always had an unopened bottle of water with me Refueled with at least 50 miles left before reserve Radio in tank bag wired to old headphones in helmet (both for music and weather information) Camera/cell phone in tank bag Extra trashbags for rain protection Packed extra backpack (useful after the Givis broke) Left the laptop at home Picked the brains of the locals for roads/information Lots of papertowls to clear bugs off of faceshield in tank bag Brought sweatshirt/sweatpants for temperatures at altitude Bad things I did: Tried to pick the bike up with my back, not my legs (VERY BAD) Stored water bottle in top box, even the store bought bottles leak Should have called each state (or AAA) to find out about construction on non-interstates Rain suit started out under seat, quickly moved to top box Should have had more $1 bills since many campgrounds (USDA/NPS) are self-service Not enough time to really see anything at any of my destinations Should have brought more than a few tablets of Ibuprofen Miscellanious Details (mostly GPz specific): Mounted a new set of MEZ2's just prior to the trip. The bike handled really well on them, though the rear now has a big flat spot. I can't expect much else with all the slab miles and the load the bike was handling. On my little spill, the Givis did a great job protecting my pipes from any damage, though it did result in a small crack in the fairing. The Genmar risers did a great job, since the only thing that hurt after so many miles was my butt. I higher windscreen would have been nice to deflect more bugs off of my faceshield. A brighter headlight (sitting on my desk) would be great for those evenings when I decided to go canyon carving. Chronology Monday-Friday. I ordered a new set of Dunlop D205s from Dennis Kirk. I paid extra for the three delivery so that they'd arrive on Friday and I could mount them and do my trip on fresh tires. I get a message Tuesday night off of my machine at 2100 (afte r I got home from work late), "Mr. Berman, please call customer service before 1800 today, we have a problem with your order." I call back on Wednesday and they need to confirm the credit card since an operator took the initial order (done at night). I complain that if I'd known that I would have been sure to call back on Tuesday from work (since I worked so late). After a bit of talking they say that they will ship 2 day (remember, this is now Wednesday) at their expense (since this is not the first t ime that they've had that problem). Friday comes, and no tires. I call Dennis Kirk and am told that they went out Thursday, 2 day delivery and will arrive Monday. I tell that that is no good since I leave Saturday night. There's nothing they can do. I had to go to a local dealer and pay (through the nose) for a set of Metzeler MEZ2s, the only thing anyone local had in the right size. From my trip I find out that they didn't actually arrive until Tuesday. Dennis Kirk says that they will refund the e xtra shipping. An ominous beginning to this trip (and a very expensive one!). Saturday (night, just to get out of town). Left Bethesda, MD and arrived at Finzel, MD travelling on MD355, I270, I70, I68. These roads were all slabs and very boring. Although I couldn't get a room in Cumberland (my first choice) due to the Drum Festi val! That explains why I camped in Finzel, MD. Sunday. Left Finzel, MD and arrived at Morgantown, WV travelling on the I68, I79 slabs. Went from Morgantown, WV to Wheeling, WV on US250, 250 was a nice road with some very good curves and was a welcome change from the slab. Left Wheeling, WV and arriv ed at Mendota, IL on the I70, I74, I39 slabs. The scenery was very nice: cornfield, cornfield, tree, cornfield, cornfield, city, cornfield. I did run into thunderstorms around Indianapolis (wx channel was report > 1" hail stones), fortunately I only fo und rain. Monday. Left Mendota, IL and arrived at Vermillion, SD travelling on US34, I80, I29. Passed the Del Monte corn plant in Mendota, IL. Left Vermillion, SD and arrived at St. Charles, SD travelling on SD50, SD46, US18. An uncle's ranch is in St. Charles, S D and provided the evening lodging. As I passed through Sioux City, I needed all of my will power to not stop at the Gateway 2000 outlet! Finally, after getting into South Dakota the long, straight rows of corn fields finally ended as I crested the hill overlooking Fort Randall. My first taste of enjoyable scenery! It was a really pretty scene down the hill to the resevoir and the fort. After getting into Herrick, I called the ranch, and had trouble getting through. I went to the local (that would be the only gas station in 20 miles) gas station and the attendant gave me directions to the ranch. After driving down three wrong gravel roads (and passing the remains of a bank from the late 19th century), I found the right gravel road and the ranch. I was able to discover that the GPz tops out at 125 mph with the Givis. The engine still had more, but the bags were going to shake the bike apart if I went any faster. Tuesday. Left St. Charles, SD and arrived White River, SD travelling on US18, US183, SD44. The skies were looking rather dark as I pulled out of the ranch. Travelling down the gravel road, I found a deep, center strip of gravel and the GPz promptly wobb led to the ground at 15-20 mph. Damage was minimal, a cracked lower fairing and a scraped up, but still watertight Givi pannier. However, I 1st tried to lift the bike up completely with my back. This resulted in the only real damage to me from this spi ll, aside from my ego. The Givi's protected the pipes quite well. Gravel got literally in every nook and cranny of the bike (and me). Light rain started about 20 miles west of St. Charles. I stopped for gas at Whitewater and ended up sitting in the ha rdware store/coffee shop for about 2 hours due to the pain in my back. Due to the rain (and my back), I took US83 to I90 to SD240 instead of the backroads from Whitewater to the Badlands. No interesting roads here, just wet ones. When I got to Cactus F lats, I thought "Damnit, I am at the Badlands and I am going to go sightseeing and it doesn't matter if I can't walk straight and it's raining." The Badlands were interesting and the road could have been fun, if it were dry. Going through the Badlands, it dawned on me that wind and rain created these rock formations and I didn't have much more protection from the elements than the rocks. I left the Badlands and arrived in Deadwood, SD traveling on SD240, I90, US85. More flat, straight slab, except US8 5 did offer some nice sweepers. In Deadwood, I did opt for the motel, again due to the rain and the back. At this point, I had consulted with an MD (brother) who said to hit the ibuprofen REAL hard. On this part of the trip I was able to discover where the leaks in my rainsuit were. Wherever I stopped in SD, I only met nice people. Wednesday. I woke up and got a late start, but the back felt MUCH better. After tightening the chain, I left Deadwood, SD. The road out of Deadwood offered a few nice high speed sweepers. I stopped in at Devil's tower travelling on US85, I90, US14. A ll slab, though 14 had a few nice sweepers. I was cheap and observed Devil's Tower from the base and didn't pay the entrance fee. Left Devil's Tower and arrived in Billings, MT travelling through Moorcroft, WY on US14, I90. US14 had a few more sweepers and less traffic on this side. US14 had a few miles of construction (read gravel, but more on that later) just prior to Moorcroft. I90 is a boring slab, though the sign really does say "Reasonable and Prudent" for cars in daylight as you get into Monta na. Left Billings on MO3, got past Acton and came to a sign that read "Pavement Ends", with less than 1/2 tank fuel and big black clouds in the sky, and being told that it was dirt/gravel for 9 miles, I turned tail back to Billings (This story will repe at itself.). Not to mention that I was a bit leary of gravel after the ranch. I took I-90 from Billings to Big Timber, where I spent the night at a KOA. Around Columbus, I-90 does have some nice views of the neighboring mountains. As I left Billings, I resigned myself to not being able to make Glacier National Park. I spent the night camping alonside I-90 and the railroad tracks, a nice quiet evening. Thursday. Since I didn't make it to Glacier National Park, I though I'd wander around Montana looking for scenery and mountains. I drove on a loop around the Crazy Mountains with a short stop in Ringling (single saloon town). The route was I-90, US89, MT294, US12, US191. On the latter part of US191, I found another 7 miles of gravel (this time with no choice but to proceed) and I got to follow a pilot truck. Of these roads, MT294 was the best. Although it was still relatively flat and straight. Dri ving next to the pastures, I saw the cows a-roaming...I looked twice when I saw a herd of cows fenced in, except for the one next to the road. Back in Big Timber, I met a couple on a Goldwing hack travelling with their puppy in a cage bungeed to the top box. I picked up I-90 back to Columbus and headed down MT78 to Red Lodge and the Beartooth Highway. On the way to Red Lodge, I was in/out of brief rains. Through Red Lodge, the Beartooth Highway climbed the Beartooth mountains (imagine that!) into some beautiful scenery accompanied by some really fun roads. I have to admit that the 500' sheer cliff does take away a bit of my nerve riding these roads. The road surface was pretty good, except for the inside track of the switchbacks. At the top, (abou t 10,000') there were several snow fields and a chairlift. Descending down the other side into Yellowstone, be very careful of the killer swarming mosquitos that inhabit the mountain lakes. This is what I came here for (the roads, not the mosquitos), an d it was worth it! It does get chilly at these altitudes though. I spent the night at a USDA campground just outside Cooke City, MT. At this point, I was just beginning to wear a flat spot in my tires. Friday. I went down US212 into Yellowstone ($15.00 entrance fee, ouch). I stopped to take the requisite herd of bison photo after many photos of mountain meadows and peaks. The roads through the park aren't in the best of shape, but several of them are kind of fun. There was lots of visible fire damage throughout the park. I did manage to see a pair of moose alongside the road, off in the woods. The thermal areas at Yellowstone were cool (actually, they were hot), it was funny watching so many peopl e seating at a "stadium" waiting for Old Faithful to erupt. In Yellowstone I went from Tower Junction to Canyon to Norris to Madison to West Thumb and then out to Grand Teton. Unfortunately many of the roads in Yellowstone need to be repaved. It seemed the forther south I got in the park, the flatter and straighter the roads became. After leaving Yellowstone, the only thing really interesting about the roads in Grand Teton was the moose grazing ~4 feet from the road edge and the ability to see the gia nt black clouds with the fingers of rain hanging down and approaching me. I even took the side road through Jenny Lake and it was still not very interesting to ride. US191 and US26 from Jackson to Alpine had some nice sweepers and good views as it follo wed the Snake River. US89 was pretty boring from Alpine to Smoot, but got a little more interesting through the Bridger-Teton National Forest. Not much interesting on US89 through Idaho to Garden City, WY. At the scenic overlook over Bear Lake I met a couple on a K100 (Greg and Cee) out for a day trip from Salt Lake City. US89 was very ente