From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 1 01:38:02 1996 From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: Dixie Pig? To: brdowney@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 1 Jan 1996 01:37:54 -0500 (EST) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <199512312236.RAA20885@mtolympus.ari.net> from "brian downey" at Dec 31, 95 05:44:37 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24alpha3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > I saw something from Mr. Bill this AM about a 1Jan96 run to the Dixie > Pig, but haven't heard any details. Anybody know the plan? > Barring ice on the road I'd like to get out there myself ... > The PARR (Potomac Area Road Riders) sent a postcard out about it. Quoting the full postcard (spelling errors are mine)... ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Thirteenth Annual Polar Bear Run Jan 1, 1996 Dixie Pig Restaurant 6711 Richmond Hwy Alexandria VA (703-765-5353) Registration: 9:00 am to noon. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Now adding my own comments, for those who aren't sure, take the Capital beltway to Virginia Exit One, Rt. 1 south. Dixie Pig will be on your left after a few miles down. Also Cycle Sports Herndon and Springfield are having people meet at the stores and ride over together in a group. This (meeting at Cycle Sports) isn't a PARR activity, it's just a way to meet with other riders so you don't do the PARR course alone. I know Springfield is meeting about 10, planning to leave for the Dixie Pig 10:30. I ran into one of the PARR officers a few weeks ago, he told me then that I should go even if the weather was bad, take a car, anything. Granted, it probably wouldn't be the same in a car, but if there is freezing rain it may be a better option. (Especially since I haven't gotten a rain suit yet... it's next on my list of items to get.) Hope this helps, Louis ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Louis Caplan | louis@XXXXXX Alexandria, VA | '84 Honda Nighthawk-S 700SC DoD #1754 | No fancy quotations, yet!!! From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 2 10:40:42 1996 Date: Tuesday, 2 January 1996 10:35 ET To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: carl.burkholder@XXXXXX Subject: Entropy In-Reply-To: The letter of Wednesday, 27 December 1995 23:15 ET Leon, Instead of trying to replace the broken frame you should have it welded! The weld, if done properly will be strong enough to hold and it shouldn't be a problem aestheticly since it is under the gas tank. Carl B. 91 Sportster 94 Ultra From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 2 13:07:48 1996 Date: Tue, 2 Jan 1996 13:07:46 -0500 X-Sender: m-rider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: carl.burkholder@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: m-rider@XXXXXX (Leon Begeman) Subject: Re: Entropy I probably won't get this bike running in '96. I'd like to get the GL running first, it needs less work. It looks like the CX will get a few months off. It needed a lot of other work anyway. >Instead of trying to replace the broken frame you should have it welded! The >weld, if done properly will be strong enough to hold and it shouldn't be a >problem aestheticly since it is under the gas tank. Aesthetics aren't a problem. I disregard any "ugly" remarks unless the person making them has a bike with more miles than mine (there aren't many of those). It's easy to have a pretty bike if you don't ride it. Leon Begeman - m-rider@XXXXXX - begeman@XXXXXX 1983 Honda CX650C 124Kmiles 1983 Honda GL650I 68Kmiles 1978 Honda CB400A 14Kmiles From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 2 14:55:22 1996 Date: Tue, 02 Jan 1996 14:53:29 -0500 From: Warren Weiss Subject: PARR Was: Dixie Pig? In-Reply-To: "Louis F. Caplan" "Re: Dixie Pig?" (Jan 1, 1:37am) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.0 06sep94) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT > The PARR (Potomac Area Road Riders) sent a postcard out about it. > Quoting the full postcard (spelling errors are mine)... I used to be on the PARR mailing list, but I guess due to computer error, I haven't received any mailings in a while. Does someone have a point of contact so I could get back on the mailing list? TIA -- ******************************************************************* Warren W. Weiss VMI '87 wweiss@XXXXXX AMA # 409056 weiss@XXXXXX Hughes Information Technology Company Ride: '85 VF700F Interceptor Landover, MD Deus Ex Machina Think For Yourself and Question Authority Anonymous ******************************************************************* From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 3 01:23:02 1996 From: BKVA1@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 01:22:30 -0500 To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Web Lyric Site Re motorcycle songs - there is a site on the web that has a large selection of song lyrics. It is run by the U of Wisconsin - Parkside and sponsored by AOL. You can access it at: http://archive.uwp.edu/pub/music/lyrics note - no "www" in the URL Dennis From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 3 08:05:47 1996 Date: Wed, 03 Jan 96 08:07:28 EST From: cnorloff@XXXXXX (Chris Norloff) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: PMMail v1.1 UNREGISTERED SHAREWARE Subject: You're Ugly (was: Re: Entropy >Aesthetics aren't a problem. I disregard any "ugly" remarks unless the >person making them has a bike with more miles than mine (there aren't many >of those). It's easy to have a pretty bike if you don't ride it. > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >Leon Begeman - m-rider@XXXXXX - begeman@XXXXXX >1983 Honda CX650C 124Kmiles 1983 Honda GL650I 68Kmiles >1978 Honda CB400A 14Kmiles Hah! I love it ... it's so true. Reminds me of the time a guy criticized my riding gear -- and guess what he rode that day? His car! I told him (nicely) what I thought about non-riders criticizing riders. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 3 09:05:52 1996 From: "McLoone, William J." To: DC-Cycles List Subject: Re: Bike Shows Date: Wed, 03 Jan 96 08:59:00 EST Encoding: 11 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 >So are there any bike shows in the Baltimore/Washington DC area? When? > Hacker There is a show in Baltimore on January 26-28, I'm not sure where it is. Bill McLoone '82 Susuki GS-450TXz (for Sale) '81 Yamaha XS-11H (50% mine) Burtonsville, MD USA '82 Kawasaki KZ-750E (deal in process) 1-800-AMA-JOIN BK-MD I "Ride with Pride" From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 3 14:01:43 1996 X-Sender: mackinto@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 03 Jan 1996 14:01:38 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: mackinto@XXXXXX (David Mackintosh) Subject: Aluminum Polishing I am going to have my Hawk's forks off to install some cartridge emulators within the next couple of weeks and am interested in having the sliders polished since the factory finish is in poor shape. If anyone knows of a local (DC area) company or individual that can do the polishing for a reasonable price, let me know. I am also considering having them powder-coated as that will almost certainly be a lower-maintenance option. Thanks, David Mackintosh Germantown, MD, USA '82 245 Turbo WVC #M141 mackinto@XXXXXX '89 Honda Hawk GT RC31 DoD #1360 From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 3 18:50:30 1996 Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 18:50:29 -0500 From: leavitt@XXXXXX (Mr. Bill) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike Shows "McLoone, William J." writes: > There is a show in Baltimore on January 26-28, I'm not sure where it is. It's at the Baltimore Convention Center, which is just east of Oriole Park at Camden Yards (aka "The House that Ripken Built" ;-) Mr. Bill -- Bill Leavitt, leavitt@XXXXXX | "Blow it out your ass, motorcycle man! AMA, ICOA, Lemans, KTC, DoD #224 | I am THE DEVIL, do you UNDERSTAND?" HON: 82 CBX, 79 CX500C, 76 CJ360 |________--Frank Zappa, "Titties & Beer" SUZ: 82 GS850G, 76 RE5, 2-75 RE5 KAW: 72 H2 "More bikes than brains!" From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 4 10:30:09 1996 From: "McLoone, William J." To: DC-Cycles List Subject: cycle-tainment Date: Thu, 04 Jan 96 10:23:00 EST Encoding: 102 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 This message has been cross posted to several lists, if you have seen it DELETE NOW. Hi All: A while back I started a thread with in some places with the following question. "I've had motorcycle songs on the brain but I only know two of them. I started to look around the web for a list of songs related to motorcycles and haven't found such a thing. Does anyone know if, and where, such a list might exist? Also, does anyone know if there is a motorcycle related album to be found anywhere? Thanks in advance." The following list is a collection of what everyone had suggested to as good songs. I have not heard them all so I can only assume there is some reference to bikes or riding in them. If you have any additions, corrections, or other contributions to the list, feel free to drop me a message at . Unless there are objections, I plan to re-post this periodically when there are enough additions to warrant it. Thanks to everyone on the net who made contributions in the development of this MotoMusic list. MotoMusic List Alpha by Title Title Artist '52 Vincent Black Lightning Richard Thompson ? Roy Orbison Bat Out of Hell Meat Loaf Bike Ride to the Moon XTC Biker Like an Icon Paul McCartney Born to Be Wild Steppenwolf Black Denim Trousers Cherry Bomb The Runaways Dream Motorcycle KBC Band Eye of the Hurricane David Wilcox Flat Bottomed Girls/Bicycle Race Queen Fool of Highway 101 ?Hunter S. Thompson? Free Ride Edgar Winters Get on yo' bad moto-scoota & Ride Montrose Ghost Rider Rollins Band (Henry's from D.C.) Girl on a Motorcycle Swervedriver Girls, Girls, Girls Crue Kickstart My Heart Crue Harley David-son-of-a-bitch The Bollock Brothers Harleys & Indians Roxette Leader of The Pack Little Honda The Hondells Living End, The The Jesus & Mary Chain Me & Harley Davidson 5 Man Electric Band Midnight Rider Allman Brothers Motorbike Sheep on Bikes (? on Motorbiking Album) Martha and the Muffins Motorcycle Love and Rockets Motorcycle Emptiness Manic Street Preachers Motorcycle Irene Moby Grape Motorcycle Landscape XTC Motorcycle Song, The Arlo Guthrie Motorcycle Mama Neil Young Mototcycle Mama Sailcat Motorcycle Mama Sugarcubes My Little Sisters Got a Motobike The Dogmatics Need a Little Taste of Love Dobbie Brothers New Sensations Lou Reed Queen of the Road Ride Like the Wind Christopher Cross Ride the Wild Wind Queen Ride the Wind Poison Ride On AC/DC Ride to Live, Live to Ride Twisted Sister Ridin' The Storm Out REO Speedwagon Riding at the TT Races Sidecar Sicle Speeding Motorcycle Daniel Johnston/ Yo La Tango Speeding Motorcycle Mary Lou Lord Speeding Motorcycle Pastels South of the Boarder Dobbie Brothers Snuff Rider Head of David Titties & Beer Frank Zappa Too High a Price Dobbie Brothers Unknown Legend Neil Yong War of the Superbikes The Meatmen (from D.C.) [end of list] Bill McLoone '82 Susuki GS-450TXz (for Sale) '81 Yamaha XS-11H (50% mine) Burtonsville, MD USA '82 Kawasaki KZ-750E (deal in process) 1-800-AMA-JOIN BK-MD I "Ride with Pride" From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 4 22:19:42 1996 Date: Thu, 4 Jan 1996 19:06:56 -0500 From: pmahoney@XXXXXX (K. Patrick Mahoney) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: motorcycle songs X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII I may have missed some of these but what about Bob Seagers "Fire Lake" or "Turn the Page", anyone who took a long trip on a bike 10-20 years ago will agree with that being a "motorcycle song" From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 5 09:48:05 1996 From: "Bruce B. Dimon, VRC, Bayview, Idaho" Organization: CDNSWC Acoustic Research Detachment To: "McLoone, William J." , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 5 Jan 1996 06:49:15 PST Subject: Re: cycle-tainment Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail/Windows (v1.22) > If you have any additions, corrections, or other contributions to the list, > feel free to drop me a message at . Just about the best motorcycle song ever is Bob Seger's "Roll Me Away." North Idaho, the land of lakes and lattes! Wing for go, not for show! bruce_dimon@XXXXXX (NEW ADDRESS FOR PERSONAL USE) My opinions are my own (everybody else thinks I am full of it). From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 5 14:29:00 1996 Date: Fri, 5 Jan 1996 14:28:58 -0500 X-Sender: m-rider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: m-rider@XXXXXX (Leon Begeman) Subject: Keeping warm As I've been riding in the cold 20-40F for the last few weeks, I have become concerned about frostbite, so beginning with the question "At what temperature does flesh freeze?" I started a web search to find an answer. Here's what I found. http://www.clark.net/pub/pribut/spphysio.html#frostbitehttp://medhlp.netusa. net/general/FROST.TXT - This one is quoted at the end of the message. Both of these two are from Universities that are guidance to students on 1) how to prevent frostbite and 2) what to do about it. gopher://uhs.bsd.uchicago.edu:70/00/General/Dermatology/frostbite gopher://gopher.uiuc.edu:70/00/UI/CSF/health/heainfo/diseases/misc/frost The quote below came from Dr. Stephen M. Pribut's Sport Pages, the first of the URLs above. For info, 10C=50F and -5C=23F Frostbite results from an exposure to cold over time. The colder it is or the lower the wind chill factor the quicker frostbite will occur. Freezing begins in the tissues when the deep temperature reaches 10 degrees celsius. Tissues that are frozen below minus five degrees are not likely to survive rewarming. Humidity and wind chill both increase the adverse effect of the cold. Frostbite may be classified into 4 stages, which are similar to that of burn classification: First degree: redness without necrosis (without death of tissue) Second degree: blister formation Third degree: necrosis of the skin (death of tissue) Fourth degree: gangrene development, requiring amputation or autoamputation When frostbite occurs, there is usually little or no pain. The affected area becomes numb and stiff. When the injured body part is rewarmed it will become reddened, swollen, and painful. Blisters may develop and other changes, edema may occur over the next 1 to 2 days. The development of skin necrosis or gangrene may occur over the next several days. The persistence of coldness and numbness in an area surrounded by red and swollen tissue is frequently a harbinger of impending gangrene. Delimitation of the extent of gangrene may take up to 30 days. Leon Begeman - m-rider@XXXXXX - begeman@XXXXXX 1983 Honda CX650C 124Kmiles 1983 Honda GL650I 68Kmiles 1978 Honda CB400A 14Kmiles From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 5 15:36:25 1996 To: dc-cycles Subject: Viragos Date: Fri, 05 Jan 1996 15:36:24 -0500 From: Harry Mantakos Forwarded message from new subscriber, sent to list's admin address. -harry ------- Forwarded Message From: "Mantei, Debra, SSg, OSD/C3I" To: "'dc'" Subject: Viragos Date: Fri, 05 Jan 96 09:27:00 PST Encoding: 18 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 I'm brand new to the riding scene (will be taking the Rider's Safety Course in Apr 96) and am considering buying a used Virago around that timeframe. Looking mainly at early '80s, in good condition of course, low mileage, etc. Would like to know what experience you've had w/ Viragos, as well as any other info you feel would help me make a decision on buying a good bike. Am also interested in the Shadow (I know that's Honda) but if you've got some experiences to contrast the two, I'd appreciate knowing that. I would like to buy a cruiser even though I'm moderately tall (5'7") but don't think I should go as large as a 750. Is there anyone out there who would like to address this opinion and comment. I look forward to hearing from someone out there. Debbie Mantei debra.mantei@XXXXXX Alexandria, VA ------- End of Forwarded Message From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 5 18:11:25 1996 Date: Fri, 5 Jan 1996 18:12:09 -0500 (EST) From: John Blaine Godfrey To: Harry Mantakos cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Viragos In-Reply-To: <199601052036.PAA31329@krishna.cs.UMD.EDU> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII About what bike to buy. If you are going to take the motorcycle riding course, you might consider waiting until after the course to pick a motorcycle. there are often several styles of motorcycles offered at the course and during breaks you can try them all. also, it can't hurt to wait until after the course so that your first few falls (if any) are on someone elses bike. thank you for your continued support From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 5 20:28:49 1996 Date: Fri, 5 Jan 1996 20:28:24 -0500 From: bones@XXXXXX (Bones) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Viragos&shadows X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Debbie If you are looking at 750's then the Virago is probably a better bike these days (it's a good thing I'm not well known on this list as my friends KNOW I'm a die hard Honda fan but..?) I was a bike mechanic in the early 80's and brand new the Honda was a better bike but many more pieces to the motor 10 years old I might look at the Virago for a good solid motor. If you are looking at the 500 class then go with the Honda for sure. The 500 Virago didn't impress me. (nether did the 750 but they were very solidly built). K. Patrick Mahoney "All complaints about any opinions expressed pmahoney@XXXXXX should be directed to me not my employer!" "Legalize Freedom Vote Libertarian" From dc-cycles-request Sat Jan 6 14:21:41 1996 From: BKVA1@XXXXXX Date: Sat, 6 Jan 1996 14:21:07 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: hondas and viragos I, too, am a lady-rider, now with two years experience. My first bike was a 535 Virago and I loved it. It was small enough to be easy to maneuver, not too intimidating, very reliable, and attractive. However, after a year, I moved up to a 750 to get a bit more power and keep up more easily with my husband who rides an 1100 Shadow. The 750 is also great. Although a bit heavier, it's not too noticeable. The seat height is comfortable for me at 5'6". I rode a 750 at demo rides at bike week in Daytona before making the decision to move up. The same type of trading up has been done by another friend who rides. So, if you feel brave and confident after taking the MSF course, you may want to try a 750. If you're a bit uneasy, start smaller and expect to move up. I found both bikes used, in excellent condition, great buys. Debbie- My husband and I have had other experiences, too, relating to service and dealers. We are extremely pleased with Cycle Sport in Springfield VA. Extremely displeased with Coleman Power Sport in Falls Church. My husband's Honda Shadow has also been a great bike. He's unhappy that there aren't more chrome goodies to buy for it; frankly that doesn't bother me at all. He loves the ride, the look, but he's moving to a HD later this year. Best wishes with your new sport. Hope you enjoy it as much as I do. CD Hughes From dc-cycles-request Sat Jan 6 16:15:27 1996 Date: Saturday, 6 January 1996 16:03 ET To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: carl.burkholder@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Viragos&shadows In-Reply-To: The letter of Friday, 5 January 1996 21:18 ET Debbie, I agree that you should wait until you have completed the course before you make a decision on a bike. The one thing that I would like to add is that if you are looking for a bike that is fun to ride and will also hold its value over the years I would suggest you look into the Harley Davidson 883 Hugger. It is the style that the Virago and Shadow are copies of and it has some nice features the others don't. My wife took the course last summer and has been riding my 883 without any problems. Keep an open mind and enjoy. Carl B. 91 Sportster 94 Ultra From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 9 14:34:53 1996 Date: Tue, 09 Jan 1996 14:32:04 -0500 From: Warren Weiss Subject: Re: Viragos In-Reply-To: Harry Mantakos "Viragos" (Jan 5, 3:36pm) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Debbie Mantei Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.0 06sep94) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hello, Debbie... > I'm brand new to the riding scene (will be taking the Rider's Safety Course > in Apr 96) and am considering buying a used Virago around that timeframe. > Looking mainly at early '80s, in good condition of course, low mileage, I agree also that you should wait until after the MSF course before you purchase a bike. As one other list member said a 535 Virago is another good choice. There is also the Kawasaki 454 Ltd, which later became the 500 Vulcan. Honda made a 500 Shadow, too. With any of them, you can't go wrong. Another consideration is how well they go in snow. I put a set of chains on the 'ol Interceptor and it goes just fine. It got a little hairy crossing the grating on the Wilson Bridge, but other than that it was a real smooth ride... ....I am joking, of course...I brought the cage into work today... -- ******************************************************************* Warren W. Weiss VMI '87 wweiss@XXXXXX AMA # 409056 weiss@XXXXXX Hughes Information Technology Company Ride: '85 VF700F Interceptor Landover, MD Deus Ex Machina Think For Yourself and Question Authority Anonymous ******************************************************************* From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 10 07:41:30 1996 Alternate-Recipient: allowed Auto-Forwarded: prohibited Content-Return: allowed Disclose-Recipients: prohibited Conversion: allowed Importance: normal Priority: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential Subject: So ... From: Caron Rose To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 10 Jan 96 07:40:08 -0500 X-Mailer: MAILworks 1.7-A-1 Did anyone ride this morning? My Beau wants to outfit the Wing with outriggers so he can get around in the snow.. hehe Me? I just want to take a picture of my 'baby' all bundled in her cycle cover, encased in snow. It's an interesting site. We have three of them, all parked in one spot. There is a wall of snow on each side of them, protecting them from the snowplow monster, and all the dippy cagers that don't know how to drive in the snow. Caron From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 10 09:12:33 1996 From: Dark Hacker Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 09:12:28 -0500 (EST) To: crose@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: So ... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 10 07:57 EST 1996 Subject: So ... Did anyone ride this morning? Are you IN-SANE? Me? I just want to take a picture of my 'baby' all bundled in her cycle cover, encased in snow. It's an interesting site. Weeeeiirrrrdddd.... that's EXACTLY what I did yesterday. Got out the old camera and took pictures of my big beautiful baby boy all encased in piles of snow. Must be some kind of genetic thing. Fortunately no one's killed him with their landrover yet. I worry about the cold affecting my bike. I ran the fuel line dry before the snow but didn't have time to drain the float bowls. Am I in trouble here? - Hacker From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 10 09:41:04 1996 From: SRFox@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 09:41:01 -0500 To: hacker@XXXXXX, crose@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: So ... I have got to nominate 90% of the 4wd crowd as the biggest danger on the road this week; even a bigger danger than the snow. People driving over the speed limit, passing people on two lane residential roads because the car in front is driving at a safe speed; these people are nuts. I would rather follow a fishtailing minivan down the road than have some crazed Cherokee driver following me. BTW you will have no trouble spotting me on the road; I am the only guy driving a Landcruiser at a responsible speed. I spend all my time and money racing a car at Summit Point; I have nothing to prove on the street like these pinhead yuppies and rednecks in their 4wds. Not apologizing for stepping on any toes, Steve 86 BMW R65 (safe in the snowbound garage for at least the next month!) From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 10 10:35:27 1996 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Brian Downey" Organization: PSA To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 10:33:01 +0000 Subject: This snow is all my fault (waaaaa) Re: So ... X-Confirm-Reading-To: brdowney@XXXXXX X-pmrqc: 1 Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.20) > From: Dark Hacker and others on the list ... > Did anyone ride this morning? > > Are you IN-SANE? > > Me? I just want to take a picture of my 'baby' all bundled in > her cycle cover, encased in snow. It's an interesting site. > > Weeeeiirrrrdddd.... that's EXACTLY what I did yesterday. Mea Culpa Mea Culpa (my fault) All this snow is my fault. Last Thursday or Friday I was gloating on the NeDoD list and mentioned that I'd only missed one day of riding to work so far this winter ... what an idjit I am. I keep my bike at the end of my driveway under a mini car-port (bikeport?) structure. I've been keeping it shoveled out and free of snow all week in the vain hope that we'd get clear roads ... oh well, now (Weds AM) its snowing again. I figure if I can get to I66, I can moto to work in Crystal City from Falls Church :) OBMoto: Metro _really_ sucks under these conditions . I spent three hours on the orange line last night getting home. Wailing and gnashing teeth remembering all those blistering runs commuting on two wheels ...and that was just last week! Praying for the chance to keep it shiny side up, _______________ ===(')(') ________________bfd_____ Brian Downey "" brdowney@XXXXXX Falls Church, VA brdowney@XXXXXX '84 750 Interceptor DoD#4657 exUSN 2 cool boys From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 10 11:00:37 1996 Subject: Re: This snow is all my fault (waaaaa) Re: So ... From: crose@XXXXXX (Caron Rose) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 10 Jan 96 10:57:00 -0500 X-Mailer: MAILworks 1.7-A-1 So it's YOUR fault! All through this, my boyfriend has been blaming ME, because though I asked for snow, I didn't qualify it with any measurement. Instead, I simply asked for snow. Mother nature, with her wonderful sense of humor, took me all too seriously. But now I see that it was YOUR fault. Afterall - if one washes one's car, everyone else blames them for the ensuing rain. So... you're right. It's YOUR fault. Well THAT is certainly a load off my mind. Lots of :) :) :) :) :) Caron >Mea Culpa Mea Culpa (my fault) > >All this snow is my fault. Last Thursday or Friday I was gloating on >the NeDoD list and mentioned that I'd only missed one day of >riding to work so far this winter ... what an idjit I am. > >I keep my bike at the end of my driveway under a mini car-port >(bikeport?) structure. I've been keeping it shoveled out and free of >snow all week in the vain hope that we'd get clear roads ... oh well, >now (Weds AM) its snowing again. I figure if I can get to I66, I >can moto to work in Crystal City from Falls Church :) > >OBMoto: Metro _really_ sucks under these conditions . I spent three >hours on the orange line last night getting home. Wailing and >gnashing teeth remembering all those blistering runs commuting on two wheels >...and that was just last week! > >Praying for the chance to keep it shiny side up, >_______________ ===(')(') ________________bfd_____ >Brian Downey "" brdowney@XXXXXX >Falls Church, VA brdowney@XXXXXX >'84 750 Interceptor DoD#4657 exUSN 2 cool boys > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 10 14:49:43 1996 From: sanjay@XXXXXX Subject: Re: This snow is all my fault (waaaaa) Re: So ... To: brdowney@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 14:49:55 -0500 (EST) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <199601101535.KAA19028@mtolympus.ari.net> from "Brian Downey" at Jan 10, 96 10:33:01 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23-upenn3.1] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 677 > > > From: Dark Hacker and others on > the list ... > > Did anyone ride this morning? > > > > Are you IN-SANE? last night (9th jan) i saw a bike at 8.30 in the night near dupont circle. he/she was riding it standing up and going at a pretty good pace. it looked like a dirt bike to me, but then i can't tell the difference between a dirtbike, enduro or trials even if one one ran over me. :-) sanjay going crazy at home!!! when will the feds open??? ----- Sanjay Sinha Resident of Washington D.C. DoD #1224 Statistically speaking, i'm safer in Beirut. CB 650 'The Cow' standard disclaimers apply. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 10 15:23:51 1996 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 15:23:49 -0500 X-Sender: m-rider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Caron Rose (by way of Leon Begeman ) Subject: So ... >Did anyone ride this morning? I haven't gone out yet this AM. I rode about 5 miles yesterday before the new snow came down. I just went out and got gas. The first couple hundred feet were the toughest, the snowplow had only been by once. Beyond that it was pretty good. I did drop it once coming back home. I tried to keep my speed up (to about 5 MPH) going around an uphill corner with about 6 inches of loose snow on it. The front wheel decided to follow a different track than the one I had selected for it, I got it picked up before the engine died. >My Beau wants to outfit the Wing with outriggers so he can get around in >the snow.. hehe I like that idea, my legs were quite tired after yesterday's ride. There was an article in the AMA rag last year about motorcyclists Norway, they had short skis outboard on each side to keep from falling over. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 10 23:34:08 1996 From: THOMASONCO@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 23:34:05 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Bike Show in NY City According to Cycle World (Feb 96) a bike show is scheduled Feb 9-11 at the Javits Center in NY city. The Metroliner makes the trip from Union Station, DC to Grand Central Station, NY in about 3 hours each way, a do-able day trip. Does anyone have any idea if this kind of show (all major mfgs) is worth the trip? Dallas From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 11 00:04:53 1996 From: Matt Bennett Subject: So ... (fwd) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 23:59:20 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 503 Caron Rose writes: > > Did anyone ride this morning? > I wish. I'm stuck working in sunny, warm, southern Arizona. I was actually looking forward to some deep snow to try riding my dirt bike in. Now it seems that all that will be left for me when I get back is the clean up. All the pain of the snow, none of the joy :( It's warm and sunny, and I have no motorcycle. Pity me. --------------------------- Matt Bennett | mjb@XXXXXX | http://www.hazmat.com/~mjb| From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 11 05:51:22 1996 X-Sender: mackinto@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 05:51:12 -0400 To: THOMASONCO@XXXXXX From: mackinto@XXXXXX (David Mackintosh) Subject: Re: Bike Show in NY City Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >According to Cycle World (Feb 96) a bike show is scheduled Feb 9-11 at >the Javits Center in NY city. The Metroliner makes the trip from Union >Station, DC to Grand Central Station, NY in about 3 hours each way, a do-able >day trip. Does anyone have any idea if this kind of show (all major mfgs) >is worth the trip? Don't know about that, but you may also want to check the plane fares from BWI to Cleveland (another Cycle World Show). I flew one-way last fall for $17 (yes, seventeen dollars) to pick up my bike. David Mackintosh Germantown, MD, USA '82 245 Turbo WVC #M141 mackinto@XXXXXX '89 Honda Hawk GT RC31 DoD #1360 From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 11 10:17:21 1996 In-Reply-To: <0E23746501D9C1AA> Date: Thu, 11 Jan 96 10:18:04 -0500 From: "Norwicke, Glenn" Sender: "Norwicke, Glenn" Organization: APA To: thomasonco@XXXXXX (THOMASONCO) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike Show in NY City X-mailer: Connect2-SMTP 4.00 MHS to SMTP Gateway All the major manufacturers are scheduled to be there. Not sure about the ticket cost but I think it is around $10. I going to be in NYC anyway visiting some friends so I am going to check it out. Glenn 93' CBR600 *********Original Message Follows******************************************** According to Cycle World (Feb 96) a bike show is scheduled Feb 9-11 at the Javits Center in NY city. The Metroliner makes the trip from Union Station, DC to Grand Central Station, NY in about 3 hours each way, a do-able day trip. Does anyone have any idea if this kind of show (all major mfgs) is worth the trip? Dallas ------------------------[ SMTP header ]---------------------- | Return-Path: | Received: from krishna.cs.UMD.EDU by email.apa.org | via Connect2-SMTP 4.00 (0000207); Wed, 10 Jan 96 23:54:30 -0500 | Received: from mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU | by krishna.cs.UMD.EDU (8.6.11/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) | id XAA06818; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 23:34:08 -0500 | Received: from skippy.umiacs.UMD.EDU | by mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU (8.6.11/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) | id XAA00938; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 23:34:07 -0500 | Received: from emout04.mail.aol.com | by skippy.umiacs.UMD.EDU (8.6.11/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) | id XAA28914; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 23:34:06 -0500 | From: THOMASONCO@XXXXXX | Received: by emout04.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA29478 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 23:34:05 -0500 | Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 23:34:05 -0500 | Message-ID: <960110233402_38113548@XXXXXX> | To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX | Subject: Bike Show in NY City ------------------------------------------------------------- *********End of Original Message******************************************** From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 11 13:41:36 1996 Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 13:40:55 -0500 From: pmahoney@XXXXXX (K. Patrick Mahoney) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: honda and viragos / coleman Powersport X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII >My husband and I have had other experiences, too, relating to service and >dealers. We are extremely pleased with Cycle Sport in Springfield VA. > Extremely displeased with Coleman Power Sport in Falls Church. Out of curiosity (I Know I'm opening a can of worms here!) Why were you displeased with Coleman PowerSport I'm a former Cyles Inc./Coleman PowerSport employee K. Patrick Mahoney "All complaints about any opinions expressed pmahoney@XXXXXX should be directed to me not my employer!" "Legalize Freedom Vote Libertarian" From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 11 14:39:59 1996 From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Date: 11 Jan 96 14:37:02 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: honda and viragos / coleman Powersport In-Reply-To: <9601111840.AA07870@inetcad.cordant.com> > X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII > > >My husband and I have had other experiences, too, relating to service and > >dealers. We are extremely pleased with Cycle Sport in Springfield VA. > > Extremely displeased with Coleman Power Sport in Falls Church. > > Out of curiosity (I Know I'm opening a can of worms here!) > Why were you displeased with Coleman PowerSport > I'm a former Cyles Inc./Coleman PowerSport employee > > K. Patrick Mahoney "All complaints about any opinions expressed > pmahoney@XXXXXX should be directed to me not my employer!" > > "Legalize Freedom Vote Libertarian" > well I'll put in my 2 cents.. 1. Installing fork seals upsidedown causing the seals to leak all over the forks then denying that they did it...after 5 WEEKS of arguing with them and getting Honda Corp involved, they finally agreed to replace them. (Incidently, Honda Corp said they have had more complaints about Coleman PS about their business practices (both service and sales) than any other dealership on the east coast..and was on the verge of getting their Honda franchise yanked from them). 2. Inflated parts prices...sometimes as much as 150% more than any other dealer in the area (e.g. rubber mounting bracket for a rear turn signal...Manassas Honda = $8.95, Coleman -$21.00 EACH..both OEM part btw). 3. Safety inspection ...never did it, but charged me for it. I know this because I WATCHED them roll the bike in and stick the sticker on then roll it back out. 4. Putting used bike parts on new motorcycles. (as told to me by a previously employed mechanic). 5. Completely crudding up the bike with grease, oil and dirt while working on it and then not cleaning it up. I mean REALLY crudding it up with fingerprints and grease all over a waxed and polished bike and then looking at me like I was nuts for complaining. So they WIPE MY BIKE WITH AN OILY RAG. 6. Overtorqueing a fork bracket which cracked it, then denying it right to my face. Even though I saw them do it. 7. Bait and switch financing...atleast that's what a customer that I talked to there said they did to his son. Promised him X% interest but changed the interest rate on the paperwork without telling them (much higher of course). Now before anyone flames me for even going over there, all of the incidents above all occurred when I unwittingly had my old fork seals replaced because they were worn and leaking. Never did I act like an ass or raise a ruckus...but just watching some of the guys talk to potential customers, the outright bs they spewed would of made the lowest of used car dealers blush. A mechanic working at Leesburg Honda (an excellent shop btw), used to work at Coleman but quit because he got disgusted with the business practices they were supposed to follow there. Apparently the turnover rate of mechanics overthere is very high...I imagine the sales staff is the same...(more than the norm that is). I'm sure that Coleman also has excellent sales and service staff..it's just that they catch on quickly and end up working somewhere else... Needless to say, I *don't* go to Coleman anymore... ;-) ..but as always... YMMV... cheers, -aki From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 11 14:51:50 1996 From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: Coleman Powersport To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 14:51:45 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24alpha3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > From: pmahoney@XXXXXX (K. Patrick Mahoney) > Subject: Re: honda and viragos / coleman Powersport > > >My husband and I have had other experiences, too, relating to service and > >dealers. We are extremely pleased with Cycle Sport in Springfield VA. > >Extremely displeased with Coleman Power Sport in Falls Church. > > Out of curiosity (I Know I'm opening a can of worms here!) > Why were you displeased with Coleman PowerSport > I'm a former Cyles Inc./Coleman PowerSport employee Well, my own experience with Coleman PowerSport was when I brought my bike in to have something checked, I was told it would take 2-3 days just to have someone take a look at it, let alone have something done on it. When I brought the bike to Cycle Sport to get new tires put on and the oil changed, they were able to do it the next day (I dropped it off about 6 pm). And they added some extras, they straightened out my headlight and tightened my rear brake. Granted, I don't know what the service at Coleman would have been like had I waited (turns out after having had the bike towed there, the darn thing started up!!!) but I liked the faster turn around time that Cycle Sport had. Also, granted if they get more business, their turn around time may increase. Actually one good thing that happened at Coleman (to be fair), after my bike was towed there, and I explained to the person how it died on me and wouldn't seem to start up, I went upstairs to check out the prices on tires. The service person then then had me paged. He tried and got the bike started. He suggested maybe the gas didn't go all the way through the line or something after I had switched to reserve. So I didn't wait the three days for someone to look inside. While that was nice, that he checked and let me know about it, I was still shocked at the long wait time it would have taken. Louis ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Louis Caplan | louis@XXXXXX Alexandria, VA | '84 Honda Nighthawk-S 700SC DoD #1754 | No fancy quotations, yet!!! From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 11 15:51:45 1996 In-Reply-To: <7026746501D9C1AA> Date: Thu, 11 Jan 96 15:50:14 -0500 From: "Norwicke, Glenn" Sender: "Norwicke, Glenn" Organization: APA To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Coleman Powersport X-Mailer: Connect2-SMTP 4.00 MHS to SMTP Gateway Now for my two cents. After a mishap this fall I was forced to take my bike to a dealer (seems my insurance company relies on the "expertise" of the dealer for insurance estimates). Not only did they return the bike as promised but it was clean and filled with a full tank of gas. Also the cost for repairs was cheaper than originally quoted. Maybe they have changed their ways or I was just lucky. They did screw-up and not order the exhaust when I specifically told them to, so I had to go back and pick it up. On the flip side I remember calling them for a tune-up price and they were much more expensive than some of the other area dealers. I have heard plenty of good things about Cycle Sport though, do they work on Hondas? For some reason I didn't think they did. Glenn 93' CBR600 *********Original Message Follows******************************************** > From: pmahoney@XXXXXX (K. Patrick Mahoney) > Subject: Re: honda and viragos / coleman Powersport > > >My husband and I have had other experiences, too, relating to service and > >dealers. We are extremely pleased with Cycle Sport in Springfield VA. > >Extremely displeased with Coleman Power Sport in Falls Church. > > Out of curiosity (I Know I'm opening a can of worms here!) > Why were you displeased with Coleman PowerSport > I'm a former Cyles Inc./Coleman PowerSport employee Well, my own experience with Coleman PowerSport was when I brought my bike in to have something checked, I was told it would take 2-3 days just to have someone take a look at it, let alone have something done on it. When I brought the bike to Cycle Sport to get new tires put on and the oil changed, they were able to do it the next day (I dropped it off about 6 pm). And they added some extras, they straightened out my headlight and tightened my rear brake. Granted, I don't know what the service at Coleman would have been like had I waited (turns out after having had the bike towed there, the darn thing started up!!!) but I liked the faster turn around time that Cycle Sport had. Also, granted if they get more business, their turn around time may increase. Actually one good thing that happened at Coleman (to be fair), after my bike was towed there, and I explained to the person how it died on me and wouldn't seem to start up, I went upstairs to check out the prices on tires. The service person then then had me paged. He tried and got the bike started. He suggested maybe the gas didn't go all the way through the line or something after I had switched to reserve. So I didn't wait the three days for someone to look inside. While that was nice, that he checked and let me know about it, I was still shocked at the long wait time it would have taken. Louis -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Louis Caplan | louis@XXXXXX Alexandria, VA | '84 Honda Nighthawk-S 700SC DoD #1754 | No fancy quotations, yet!!! ------------------------[ SMTP header ]---------------------- | Return-Path: | Received: from krishna.cs.UMD.EDU by email.apa.org | via Connect2-SMTP 4.00 (0000207); Thu, 11 Jan 96 15:24:49 -0500 | Received: from mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU | by krishna.cs.UMD.EDU (8.6.11/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) | id OAA14775; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 14:51:49 -0500 | Received: from mail.Clark.Net | by mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU (8.6.11/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) | id OAA04385; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 14:51:48 -0500 | Received: from clark.net (louis@XXXXXX [168.143.0.7]) by mail.Clark.Net (8.7.3/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA23612 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 14:51:47 -0500 (EST) | From: "Louis F. Caplan" | Received: (from louis@localhost) by clark.net (8.7.1/8.7.1) id OAA12478 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 14:51:46 -0500 (EST) | Message-Id: <199601111951.OAA12478@XXXXXX> | Subject: Re: Coleman Powersport | To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) | Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 14:51:45 -0500 (EST) | X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24alpha3] | MIME-Version: 1.0 | Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 | Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit ------------------------------------------------------------- *********End of Original Message******************************************** From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 11 16:14:50 1996 Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 16:14:42 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: richwest@XXXXXX (Rich Westbrook) Subject: Re: honda and viragos / coleman Powersport >1. Installing fork seals upsidedown causing the seals to leak all over >the forks then denying that they did it...after 5 WEEKS of arguing >with them and getting Honda Corp involved, they finally agreed to >replace them. (Incidently, Honda Corp said they have had >more complaints about Coleman PS about their business >practices (both service and sales) than any other dealership >on the east coast..and was on the verge of getting their >Honda franchise yanked from them). > >2. Inflated parts prices...sometimes as much as 150% more than >any other dealer in the area (e.g. rubber mounting bracket >for a rear turn signal...Manassas Honda = $8.95, Coleman -$21.00 >EACH..both OEM part btw). > >3. Safety inspection ...never did it, but charged me for it. I know >this because I WATCHED them roll the bike in and stick >the sticker on then roll it back out. > >4. Putting used bike parts on new motorcycles. (as told to >me by a previously employed mechanic). > >5. Completely crudding up the bike with grease, oil and >dirt while working on it and then not cleaning it up. >I mean REALLY crudding it up with fingerprints and grease >all over a waxed and polished bike and then looking at me >like I was nuts for complaining. So they WIPE MY BIKE >WITH AN OILY RAG. > >6. Overtorqueing a fork bracket which cracked it, then denying >it right to my face. Even though I saw them do it. > >7. Bait and switch financing...atleast that's what a customer that >I talked to there said they did to his son. Promised him X% interest >but changed the interest rate on the paperwork without telling >them (much higher of course). > >Now before anyone flames me for even going over there, all of the >incidents above all occurred when I unwittingly had my old fork >seals replaced because they were worn and leaking. Never did >I act like an ass or raise a ruckus...but just watching some of >the guys talk to potential customers, the outright bs they spewed >would of made the lowest of used car dealers blush. A mechanic >working at Leesburg Honda (an excellent shop btw), used to >work at Coleman but quit because he got disgusted with the >business practices they were supposed to follow there. Apparently >the turnover rate of mechanics overthere is very high...I imagine >the sales staff is the same...(more than the norm that is). >I'm sure that Coleman also has excellent sales and service >staff..it's just that they catch on quickly and end up working >somewhere else... Thats very suprising to me. I have heard that Coleman is very expensive but I had heard that they were really good. My own experience with them was quite good. When I bought my first bike last spring it didn't even run at the time, it had been sitting for almost a year and there was problem with the transmission (6th gear was bad). I took it to Coleman and they really helped me out. They told me that it would cost about $1500 to fix the transmission, but that it really didn't need to be repaired. They got the rest of the problems fixed and I haven't had a problem with the bike yet. For all I know they could have told me that the transmission had to be fixed, and I probably would have paid for it. Your stories really scare me though. Its deffinately good info to know. I just hope they were right and my transmission doesn't fall out of the bike in the middle of nowhere. Rich From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 11 20:10:45 1996 Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 20:10:23 -0500 From: pmahoney@XXXXXX (K. Patrick Mahoney) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: So ... in AZ X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII > > Did anyone ride this morning? > I wish. I'm stuck working in sunny, warm, southern Arizona. I was actually > looking forward to some deep snow to try riding my dirt bike in. > Now it seems that all that will be left for me when I get back > is the clean up. All the pain of the snow, none of the joy :( > > It's warm and sunny, and I have no motorcycle. Pity me. > --------------------------- > Matt Bennett | > mjb@XXXXXX | > http://www.hazmat.com/~mjb| > I would ALMOST give up one of my bikes to be back in AZ (GOD'S Country) my dad called to tell me that it has gotten chilly enough that they are actually wearing their long sleeve shirts in Phoenix 72 degrees!! Pity you my pattutee K. Patrick Mahoney "All complaints about any opinions expressed pmahoney@XXXXXX should be directed to me not my employer!" "Legalize Freedom Vote Libertarian" From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 11 20:58:56 1996 From: THOMASONCO@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 20:57:02 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Honda Purchase I am awaiting the spring to make a purchase of a bike. I have looked at several and am leaning toward a Honda ST1100. My interest is in day trip touring. However, I the short term I'm interested in used equipment, actually a Honda Sabre V65 1100. Can anyone offer any information (good\bad) on this machine. Thank you in advance Dallas From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 12 06:19:17 1996 X-Sender: mackinto@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 06:19:09 -0400 To: pmahoney@XXXXXX (K. Patrick Mahoney) From: mackinto@XXXXXX (David Mackintosh) Subject: Re: honda and viragos / coleman Powersport Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Out of curiosity (I Know I'm opening a can of worms here!) >Why were you displeased with Coleman PowerSport >I'm a former Cyles Inc./Coleman PowerSport employee I am always amazed at their prices, myself. Unfortunately, they are more likely to have a Honda part in stock than any other area dealer. BTW, as a former employee, what were your impressions of their sales and service practices? David Mackintosh Germantown, MD, USA '82 245 Turbo WVC #M141 mackinto@XXXXXX '89 Honda Hawk GT RC31 DoD #1360 From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 12 07:59:44 1996 Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 07:59:42 -0500 X-Sender: m-rider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: So ... in AZ >> > Did anyone ride this morning? > This has been the worst week for riding in two years. I rode in on Thursday, and know of at least one other biker who also rode in (Jim Furlong). I took the car today. I don't think coming in would have been too bad, but getting home again after more snow might be a problem with a bike. Leon. m-rider@XXXXXX begeman@XXXXXX 1983 Honda CX650C 124Kmiles 1983 Honda GL650I 68Kmiles 1978 Honda CB400A 15Kmiles From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 12 12:01:33 1996 Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 12:01:52 -0500 (EST) From: John Blaine Godfrey To: "K. Patrick Mahoney" cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: honda and viragos / coleman Powersport In-Reply-To: <9601111840.AA07870@inetcad.cordant.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Re: Coleman Powersport. problems with. I'd have to say (and somewhat redundantly) that the prices are what bother me the most. I do pretty much all the repairs on my bikes (with a lot of advice from friends) so haven't had to use a professional mechanic in a while. that said ... 1) they have insultingly high prices for factory parts (something like $3 for a 10 mm bolt. 2) I have received suspiciously grease encrusted bolts and the like that were allegedly new. I'll not say they were selling used parts for new, maybe they were just giving me dirt and grease washed parts (akin to stone-washed jeans). 3) used parts are sold at very arbitrary and inflated prices. The upside is that going tothe parts counter is kind of like going to a rug merchant. haggling is a musrt. anyway. as you can tell from the context I continue to go there because. 1) they can get parts for obscure bikes that others can't. 2) they often have parts in stock that others don't. (BTW: when I do get a mechanic to look at my bike, I usually go to crossroads cycle. I don't know that they are better than anyone else, but the folks are more than willing to dispense free and valuable advice and to tell you when you are throwing money down a rat hole.) Conclusion: Coleman: evil but understood. From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 12 12:38:12 1996 From: sanjay@XXXXXX Subject: honda parts...was Re: honda and viragos / coleman Pow To: jgodfrey@XXXXXX (John Blaine Godfrey) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 12:38:26 -0500 (EST) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: from "John Blaine Godfrey" at Jan 12, 96 12:01:52 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23-upenn3.1] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 791 speaking of parts, i discovered this an excellent source of honda parts on a weekend trip some summer long time ago. Diamond Motor Cports Inc, US route 13, Box 13, Camden, DE 19934 tel 302 697 3222 This place is a honda dealer. their parts are extremely well priced. they ship ups and their s&h is very low. also 0% sales tax in delaware, more than makes up the s&h charges. if they don't have a part in stock, they will order it from honda and then ship it to you. the service is really good. very friendly people and helpful. no pressure of any kind. hope it helps, sanjay standard disclaimers apply. ----- Sanjay Sinha Resident of Washington D.C. DoD #1224 Statistically speaking, i'm safer in Beirut. CB 650 'The Cow' standard disclaimers apply. From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 14 01:55:04 1996 Date: Sun, 14 Jan 1996 01:27:49 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: re:Coleman's To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I had flamed Coleman's on wreck.moto once and quite a few people chimed in.I sometimes wonder how they stay in business.Anyway,here are some experiences I've had with them: 1)I went in for some oil and a filter for my CBR.I had a Honda coupon for a free filter with an oil purchase.They said they were out of filters(while supplies last) and gave me $.15 off a quart (the price was still kinda high).The next day I called to get the part # for the filter so I could mail order one.The guy at the parts counter gave me the # and told me they had them in stock. I told him what had happened the previous day and he said they were only out at the accessories counter.They considered the'while supplies last' on the coupon to mean just what they had upstairs, not the whole store. 2)A friend of mine had just gotten a new set of tires on his FZR at Coleman's and said the front end felt funny.When he was looking over the bike,he asked me if I thought the tread pattern on the front tire looked wrong.It didn't look right and when we read the sidewall we found that they had installed it backwards. 3)Another friend of mine had called them on the phone to work out a deal for trading in his jet-ski for a new one.He had it at his property down in southern VA and didn't want to go all the way down there to get it unless he was sure he could sell it.They made him a deal and told him what they would give him on a trade in.When he brought it to them they gave offered him a much lower price.When he talked to them on the phone,he told them the make/model of the jet-ski and they said they could sell it with no problem.When he got it to them they changed their story and said they would have trouble trying to sell it(because of the model,not the condition). 4)This summer they had a '94 CBR900RR leftover for sale at the same price as a new one.When I asked a salesman about it he said "That's what people are willing to pay for them". gnissley@XXXXXX Buell S2 Thunder(un)bolt GATB#1121 "Most problems in life can be fixed with a chainsaw." Bill D. Cat "But pessimism IS realism!" D.L.Bahr From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 14 11:34:00 1996 From: Tarjan To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: Coleman's Date: Sun, 14 Jan 1996 11:34:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well I have seen this same story about 100 times now.. And no I am not = complaining about having seen it.. but I am wondering.. Why dont any of = you try to get the stories (and people) together and go to the press.... Putting the tires on backwards is a SERIOUS problem.. All of the = problems you have said are truely illegeal.. and the tire tread is shear = negligence.. Get the press and some legal action going on these people.. You could = probably make a few million of the negligence damages (if they have a = few million..) and you could definintly put them out of business (looks = like that would be a great thing to do !) ---------- From: Gil M. Nissley[SMTP:gnissley@XXXXXX] Sent: Saturday, January 13, 1996 8:27 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: re:Coleman's =20 I had flamed Coleman's on wreck.moto once and quite a few people chimed in.I sometimes wonder how they stay in business.Anyway,here are some experiences I've had with them: 1)I went in for some oil and a filter for my CBR.I had a Honda=20 coupon for a free filter with an oil purchase.They said they were out of filters(while supplies last) and gave me $.15 off a quart (the price was still kinda high).The next day I called to get the part # for the filter so I could mail order one.The guy at the=20 parts counter gave me the # and told me they had them in stock. I told him what had happened the previous day and he said they were only out at the accessories counter.They considered the'while supplies last' on the coupon to mean just what they had upstairs, not the whole store. 2)A friend of mine had just gotten a new set of tires on his FZR at Coleman's and said the front end felt funny.When he was looking over the bike,he asked me if I thought the tread pattern on the front tire looked wrong.It didn't look right and when we read the sidewall we found that they had installed it backwards. 3)Another friend of mine had called them on the phone to work out a deal for trading in his jet-ski for a new one.He had it at his=20 property down in southern VA and didn't want to go all the way down there to get it unless he was sure he could sell it.They made him a deal and told him what they would give him on a trade in.When he=20 brought it to them they gave offered him a much lower price.When he talked to them on the phone,he told them the make/model of the jet-ski and they said they could sell it with no problem.When he got it to them they changed their story and said they would have trouble trying to sell it(because of the model,not the condition). 4)This summer they had a '94 CBR900RR leftover for sale at the same price as a new one.When I asked a salesman about it he said "That's what people are willing to pay for them". gnissley@XXXXXX Buell S2 Thunder(un)bolt GATB#1121=20 "Most problems in life can be fixed with a chainsaw." Bill D. Cat=20 "But pessimism IS realism!" D.L.Bahr From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 14 21:26:30 1996 Date: Sun, 14 Jan 1996 21:26:10 -0500 X-Sender: dale@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: dale@XXXXXX (Dale Coyner) Subject: One good Coleman story Okay, okay, so you figure there must be one "good" Coleman story. This is it. In mid-September someone ran into my ST-1100 in a parking lot and knocked it over, doing $2,000 dollars in damage. I took it to Coleman because they were close by. I knew their reputation BUT had received good service on my Gold Wing when I had it serviced there. They did the estimate the day after I brought it in and had it ready when they said they would. They put the front tire on straight. It wasn't gobbed up with grease or goo. The plastic work was done properly. The front end was properly straightened. Haven't had any bolts rattle loose or anything fall off since they worked on it. I think they did a good job. d. ************************************************************************** Ask me about "Motorcycle Journeys Through the Appalachians" Visit Appalachian Highways at http://www.his.com/~dale ************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 15 15:19:00 1996 Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 15:17:36 -0500 X-Sender: dale@XXXXXX (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Dale Coyner Subject: Why do YOU like riding online? Fellow Riders: This request is not the usual motorcycle-related post, but I would appreciate your indulgence AND encourage your participation. I've been assigned to write an article about motorcycle-related resources online. It would be easy for me to write about what /I/ think is important, but I don't know it all (as my wife has so often told me). I don't want to miss anything and that's why I'd like your help. Your participation will help many fellow motorcyclists make a better informed decision about going online. Here's how you can help: 1) Answer the following and return to dale@XXXXXX by February 9, 1996. 2) Repost this to friends, mailing lists, conferences, on the Internet and other services (but only where you feel comfortable in doing so). 3) Post any questions to me at dale@XXXXXX Thanks very much in advance! Dale Coyner *********************************************************************** "Riding Online" Questionnaire 1. What online service(s) do you use? Indicate all that apply. [ ] Commercial Service (indicate which one(s)) [ ] CompuServe (CIS) [ ] America Online (AOL) [ ] Prodigy [ ] Microsoft Network (MSN) [ ] GEnie [ ] Internet Service Provider, e.g. PSI, Holonet, etc. [ ] Access via a university or place of employment [ ] Other (BBS, etc):________________________________________ 2. What type of service would you recommend to a new user interested in motorcycle-related content? Please explain why, e.g. best bike-related content overall, easy to use, most people of a specific brand of bike use this service, etc. 3. Please explain to a fellow motorcyclist how "going online" increases your enjoyment of motorcycling... Give them some idea why they should want do the same. 4. Please list any important e-mail addresses, home page locations, or other online resources that you think other riders should know about. (If you don't know a specific URL, just indicate the title or general subject of the resource.) 5. I saw this questionnaire posted on: _______________________________ 6. I can be reached by phone during the day at: ______________________ That's all there is to it -- thanks for your assistance! Please return to dale@XXXXXX by February 9, 1996. From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 15 21:35:27 1996 From: BKVA1@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 21:34:36 -0500 To: Dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Local WDC Area Internet Service I'm not normally into commerical services, but..I've been using AOL for the past year or so and like it a lot, but just also signed on to Erols service. It's only $13.00/mo if you buy a years service. A really good deal. Unlimited time. The Netscape browser is really nice also. Just found out that can be used on AOL also. Dennis From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 15 23:16:41 1996 Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) In-Reply-To: <960115212914_62212611@emout04.mail.aol.com> X-Nextstep-Mailer: Mail 3.3 (Enhance 1.0) From: Thomas Piergallini Date: Mon, 15 Jan 96 23:21:44 -0500 To: Dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Local WDC Area Internet Service You wrote: > I'm not normally into commerical services, but..I've been using AOL > for the past year or so and like it a lot, but just also signed on > to Erols service. It's only $13.00/mo if you buy a years service. A > really good deal. Unlimited time. The Netscape browser is really > nice also. Just found out that can be used on AOL also. Many of you have seen my burp on this before... As a hobby, myself and a few other patriots run a non-profit ISP here in northern virginia, the Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative. NVIAC offers superior quality of connectivity and costs less. For comparison, about $10 a month for what Erol's says they offer, and I can get you a dedicated 24hr/day connection for about $50 per month. Catch 1 is you will pay for your first year up front. Frankly though, if you need your hand held, cause you are not a computer weenie, best to look someplace else. The outfit is run similiar to this list, you can ask for help, but we draw the line when you ask me to come to your house to fix your bike for you. :-) Those who wish, may query me directly, as I will not answer to this list. --- Thomas Piergallini 3Com Primary Access Network Engineer VxMail: 703-749-4240 SkyMail:5497871@XXXXXX EMail: pierre@XXXXXX, pierre@XXXXXX Send me NeXTmail and MIME From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 16 11:46:45 1996 From: frubio@XXXXXX X-Mailer: GNNmessenger 1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 11:40:15 Sender: frubio@XXXXXX () (from www-8-181.gnn.com. 205.188.8.181) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Unsubscribe Procedure Can anyone tell me how to properly unsubscribe from this list? Thanks. From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 16 12:10:37 1996 Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 12:11:09 -0500 (EST) From: John Blaine Godfrey To: Dale Coyner cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Why do YOU like riding online? In-Reply-To: <199601152017.PAA28833@mail.his.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Just got what amounts to a survey request and -- being 1) suspicious, 2) a reporter and 3) tired of commercial enterprises on the net -- just thought I'd just ask for whom this survey was being done. So, for whom are you writing Dale? yours john From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 16 16:22:25 1996 From: "Mantei, Debra, SSg, OSD/C3I" To: "'dc-cycles-info'" Subject: Kawasaki LTD Date: Tue, 16 Jan 96 16:18:00 PST Encoding: 8 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 I'm considering purchasing a Kawasaki 500 or 550 LTD as a first bike. I've wanted a Virago or Shadow or similar cruiser, however, a friend of mine thinks a bike of this nature may be more suited to a first rider. I'd like to know if anyone out there owns one or has had experience with an LTD. Any feedback you can send is appreciated. Thx in advance. debra,mantei@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 16 18:13:06 1996 From: "McLoone, William J." To: DC-Cycles List Subject: RE: Kawasaki LTD Date: Tue, 16 Jan 96 18:05:00 EST Encoding: 53 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Debra spoke: >I'm considering purchasing a Kawasaki 500 or 550 LTD as a first bike. I've >wanted a Virago or Shadow or similar cruiser, however, a friend of mine >thinks a bike of this nature may be more suited to a first rider. I'd like >to know if anyone out there owns one or has had experience with an LTD. Any >feedback you can send is appreciated. Thx in advance. I'm a fairly new rider, (licensed in '92, but didn't get my first bike until in March '95), and would recommend starting on any older standard in the 450-600 size. Any early 80's UJM (ugly Japanese motorcycle) should do nicely. If you stay with the CB's, GS's, KZ's, or XS's and the like you'll be fine. My first bike was a 1982 Suzuki GS-450 TXz and I like it a lot. It is an excellent starter bike and it provided me a real confident and manageable platform to learn on. My second bike is a Yamaha XS-1100 fully dressed and it is a top heavy bear. Had I not had the experience on the smaller bike I'm sure I would have a much harder time managing it than I do. I am currently in the process of getting my third bike, a KZ-750. I plan to have this as my general purpose ride for quite some time. Again I am glad I have had the experience on my GS. I find it plenty powerful enough to go interstate and back road traveling and light enough to manage around town. If it where not for the fact that I sit directly on the seat pan (I'm about 215 lbs), and it's a little tight to carry passengers (something I didn't want to do as a beginner), I wouldn't even be replacing it. Based on my experience I would endorse the Suzuki GS bikes, I've had a lot of fun and I enjoy it's smoothness, especially in shifting. I've read other opinions that the GS-550 is the ultimate starter bike due to it's combination of size, power, handling and smoothness (Susuki has a reputation of building buttery smooth trany's and I concur). Sorry for the bandwith, my point is I don't have experience with the bikes you mentioned but do feel you are being guided down the right path. I don't feel the cruiser style would be bad for a first bike but I defiantly wouldn't get a large one(stay under 600cc). Most bikes from the early 80's will run around $1000-$1500 no mater what size you get, I've found what you pay for is it's condition. These are my humble opinions, thanks for listening. YMMV. Bill McLoone '82 Susuki GS-450TXz (for Sale) '81 Yamaha XS-11H (50% mine) Burtonsville, MD USA '82 Kawasaki KZ-750E (deal in process) 1-800-AMA-JOIN BK-MD I "Ride with Pride" From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 17 08:38:31 1996 From: "Osidach, Vera Z." To: dc cycles Cc: "'debra'" Subject: first bike Date: Wed, 17 Jan 96 08:37:00 EST Encoding: 32 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 >I'm considering purchasing a Kawasaki 500 or 550 LTD as a first >bike. I've wanted a Virago or Shadow or similar cruiser, >however, a friend of mine thinks a bike of this nature may be >more suited to a first rider. I'd like to know if anyone out there >owns one or has had experience with an LTD. Any feedback >you can send is appreciated. Thx in advance. >debra,mantei@XXXXXX -------------------------------------- Hi! Just a brief note, because I know NOTHING about Kawasaki 500s or 550 LTDs, except for maybe what they look like . . . BUT my first bike was an '85 Honda Shadow 500 and it was GREAT!!! (I'm female, btw, and not very strong nor do I have that squid-go-as-fast-as-you-can-as-soon-as-you-can complex.) There's no reason to get an old beast of a bike for your first bike, as long as you're careful. (All of this is MY OPINION, so take it for what it's worth! :)) When I bought my Shadow, I had been on a bike by myself ONCE, maybe 4 years prior, and I rode the thing for all of 20 feet -- where I dropped it, and never rode it again. (Did I mention I had NO confidence in myself?) At any rate, *that* bike was some monster dresser that a guy I dated had. The Shadow (MY Shadow ;)) was BEAUTIFUL, and it was much smaller, of course. I learned very well on it -- and I have to admit that I *did* dump it ONCE, but not because it was too big or too nice or wrong for me or anything like that, but because I was just stupid -- I didn't know much about motorcycle riding, etc. and I was basically teaching myself and had that young "I'm invincible" outlook. Needless to say, dumping a bike (in a big way) is a *very* humbling experience. %-| If you have someone to help you that you trust, or if you are taking a safety course, and you're careful, you'll have no problem with a Shadow or a similar bike. And the best part is that once your confidence is up and you're riding well, you won't have to start looking around for a "nicer" bike. You will have 'bonded' with the machine! ;) Just kidding, just kidding, but that Shadow was my best friend for over four years. :) Again, all MY own opinion, YMMV, etc. Good luck! -Vo vzo1@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 17 09:06:17 1996 From: Tarjan To: dc cycles Subject: RE: first bike Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 09:07:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If you or anyone else is still looking for a beginner bike, I have a = Suzuki GS500e for sale. It was purchased new in August of 94. It is black, and runs rather = well.. (will run better after runing through the stabil'd gas in the = tank once spring rolls around :> but hey :> ) Its a nice SMALL and light bike. Very easily manuverable, and has = enough power to keep you interested, but not so much that it will put = you into trouble..=20 If you want to see it or just ask me about it.. Mail me here or call me = at 301/996-2476 <- It is my cell phone, but it also has voice mail, and if = I am at work I am on a computer floor with highly shielded walls so you = will probably just get voice mail. I will call you back as soon as = possible. Hmm.. its about time to get my duck ready for some riding.. Wee new = pipes supposed to be here by the end of this week!! :> Scot - '95 900ss/cr From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 18 09:46:22 1996 From: "McLoone, William J." To: DC-Cycles List Subject: MD Inspection Date: Fri, 19 Jan 96 09:45:00 EST Encoding: 16 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 I know we talked about this in the spring but I'm suffering from CRS (can't remember sh*t) so please help out if you can. I am purchasing a used bike this weekend and will need to get a Maryland Inspection for it. I'd like to take it to an independent shop (non-MC dealer) if possible. I live in Burtonsville near the Montgomery County Auto Sales Park on Columbia Pike. Any suggestions? TIA Bill McLoone '82 Susuki GS-450TXz (for Sale) '81 Yamaha XS-11H (50% mine) Burtonsville, MD USA '82 Kawasaki KZ-750E (deal in process) 1-800-AMA-JOIN BK-MD I "Ride with Pride" From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 18 10:14:00 1996 From: "Tracy Minter" Organization: College of BA, Univ. of S. Carolina To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 10:21:35 EST Subject: New Member Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.22 Hello. I just joined this group, which is basically the first group I've joined on the web, so I'm not too sure about protocol or anything. My name's Tracy, and I'm currently living in South Carolina, getting my master's degree from the U of South Carolina. If no company comes flocking to my door to hire me before graduation, I intend to move to DC and start job hunting there. Lived there before and am looking forward to going there again. Never driven my motorcycle there, though, and I suspect the winter months are not too good for it (especially with the salt). Right now I commute to school on my '82 Yamaha XSRJ. A great bike. Anyway, Just wanted to say Hi. Tracy From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 18 10:39:10 1996 Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) In-Reply-To: <630123406F1@spanky.badm.sc.edu> X-Nextstep-Mailer: Mail 3.3 (Enhance 1.0) From: Thomas Piergallini Date: Thu, 18 Jan 96 10:44:30 -0500 To: "Tracy Minter" Subject: Re: New Member Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX You wrote: > Hello. I just joined this group, which is basically the first group > I've joined on the web, so I'm not too sure about protocol or > anything. > > My name's Tracy, and I'm currently living in South Carolina, > getting my master's degree from the U of South Carolina. If no > company comes flocking to my door to hire me before graduation, I > intend to move to DC and start job hunting there. Lived there > before and am looking forward to going there again. Never driven my > motorcycle there, though, and I suspect the winter months are not > too good for it (especially with the salt). Do not do it. Stay down south, move to the technology triangle in the carolina's. Winter stinks. And it is not that motorcycle riding here is dangerous, but it is the only place in the country I have lived where drivers intentionally try to run you down. 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I've had four bikes done there w/o a hitch. James Williams, Director V 703-591-8800 Williams Consulting, Inc. F 301-513-9617 <<<< ims@XXXXXX >>>> On Fri, 19 Jan 1996, McLoone, William J. wrote: > > I know we talked about this in the spring but I'm suffering from CRS (can't > remember sh*t) so please help out if you can. > > I am purchasing a used bike this weekend and will need to get a Maryland > Inspection for it. I'd like to take it to an independent shop (non-MC > dealer) if possible. I live in Burtonsville near the Montgomery County Auto > Sales Park on Columbia Pike. Any suggestions? > > TIA > > Bill McLoone '82 Susuki GS-450TXz (for Sale) > '81 Yamaha XS-11H (50% mine) > Burtonsville, MD USA '82 Kawasaki KZ-750E (deal in process) > 1-800-AMA-JOIN > BK-MD I "Ride with Pride" > From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 18 11:15:28 1996 To: "Tracy Minter" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: New Member In-Reply-To: Your message of Thu, 18 Jan 1996 10:21:35 -0500. <630123406F1@XXXXXX> Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 11:12:07 -0500 From: Phil Kester On Thu, 18 Jan 1996 10:21:35 EST "Tracy Minter" wrote: > Hello. I just joined this group, which is basically the first group > I've joined on the web, so I'm not too sure about protocol or > anything. I've included a little netiquette blurb below that I collected from somewhere. Can't remember where I got it or who wrote it though. > My name's Tracy, and I'm currently living in South Carolina, getting > my master's degree from the U of South Carolina. If no company comes > flocking to my door to hire me before graduation, I intend to move to > DC and start job hunting there. Lived there before and am looking > forward to going there again. Never driven my motorcycle there, > though, and I suspect the winter months are not too good for it > (especially with the salt). Actually the DC metro area is pretty temperate and ride'able through the Winter. Typically the worst months are between mid January to Mid March. But there are usually more than a few nice days for riding during that period. > Anyway, Just wanted to say Hi. Welcome! Phil ---------------------[snip]----------------------- 1. It is particularly helpful if you put your message in some sort of context. This particularly true if you are responding to someone else's comments. Usually it is easy enough to copy the original's meaning to your own posting. 2. At the same time it is considered irritating - i.e. not polite - to just enclose the whole damn previous message - which everyone else including the originator - will have seen resent billyuns and billyuns of times. A little creative editing makes reading your message much more pleasant and therefore much more likely to be received with an open mind. 3. Attribution: most of us like to know who we are talking to. Just like with the regular post if you don't sign your letters we may be able to decipher enough from the post mark to make an educated guess as to where the letter originated. But it's still nice to see that the writer thinks enough of their own work/thoughts to sign his/her name to them. Some mail environments will automatically add your sig file to the posting. But I've found that a lot of folk don't know a sig file from a kill file. 4. Also when you are responding to someone else's comments/posting etc you really ought to acknowledge that that person said that. Usually by copying the person's name, address etc. But _BEWARE_ of false attributions. This can really irritate other people and lead to those nasty flame wars that Papa Joe so wants to avoid. 5. And then there are all the little nuances like not using CAPITALS unless you want to emphasize something. And the fact that some mail environments have a difficult time with lines over 80 characters long suggests that we should try to limit lines to 60-70 characters. (mea culpa for my failures in this area) 6. Lastly, politeness always helps. If you are interested in spelling contests, flame wars or panty raids you will probably be better off in wreck.moto. There's a motorcycle gang over there which delights in seeing how much band width they can occupy with such. < Actually I am DoD but on good behaviour > From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 18 11:19:21 1996 To: KRoy@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: New Member In-Reply-To: Your message of Thu, 18 Jan 1996 10:54:25 -0500. Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 11:16:16 -0500 From: Phil Kester On Thu, 18 Jan 96 10:54:25 EST KRoy@XXXXXX wrote: > begin 600 attach.Z > M'YV0:=R,>7/&31HZ;URTF7,&@,.'$"-*G$BQHL6+&"N"V&@#!@P0`#:"B$&# > M!DB1)$V&%"ER!HT:-CC"N'&#A@T;-F-LC"$CQHP:(6%D'$JTJ-&C$^O,H1-& > MSD8`;-Z,"<,&*<6H4ZM:WO8,-N?>(&!!4T=>3,(1,F#PL02L*XJ=,T .... Why are you sending your regular text mail uuencoded compressed? Phil From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 18 12:21:51 1996 Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 12:21:48 -0500 X-Sender: m-rider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: "Tracy Minter" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: New Member Welcome to the list, Tracy. Your plan sounds good to me, that's more or less how I ended up in DC. On ending my time in the Army, they gave me a choice of Ft. Hood TX or Pentagon, Ft. Hood might be a better place to live, but the job market didn't look too great for me, expecially with the military getting smaller. I don't think the DC area is all that bad for riding in the winter. 1) It doesn't get cold here. I can only recall a couple of days in the last 10 years or so that were below 0. and 2) It usually warms up enough that you can wash the salt and other crud off the bike every couple of weeks or so. At 10:21 1/18/96 EST, you wrote: >Hello. I just joined this group, which is basically the first group >I've joined on the web, so I'm not too sure about protocol or >anything. > >My name's Tracy, and I'm currently living in South Carolina, getting >my master's degree from the U of South Carolina. If no company comes >flocking to my door to hire me before graduation, I intend to move to >DC and start job hunting there. Lived there before and am looking >forward to going there again. Never driven my motorcycle there, >though, and I suspect the winter months are not too good for it >(especially with the salt). > >Right now I commute to school on my '82 Yamaha XSRJ. A great bike. > >Anyway, Just wanted to say Hi. > >Tracy > > Leon. m-rider@XXXXXX begeman@XXXXXX 1983 Honda CX650C 124Kmiles 1983 Honda GL650I 68Kmiles 1978 Honda CB400A 15Kmiles From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 18 12:30:07 1996 From: KRoy@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 18 Jan 96 12:29:57 EST X-Priority: 1 (High) To: Subject: Re: New Member X-Incognito-SN: 239 X-Incognito-Format: VERSION=2.01a ENCRYPTED=NO On Thursday, January 18, 1996 at 11:16:16 am EST, Phil Kester wrote: >On Thu, 18 Jan 96 10:54:25 EST KRoy@XXXXXX wrote: > >> begin 600 attach.Z >> M'YV0:=R,>7/&31HZ;URTF7,&@,.'$"-*G$BQHL6+&"N"V&@#!@P0`#:"B$&# >> M!DB1)$V&%"ER!HT:-CC"N'&#A@T;-F-LC"$CQHP:(6%D'$JTJ-&C$^O,H1-& >> MSD8`;-Z,"<,&*<6H4ZM:WO8,-N?>(&!!4T=>3,(1,F#PL02L*XJ=,T > >..... > >Why are you sending your regular text mail uuencoded compressed? Did anyone else receive my message uuencoded? I just sent it as usual... I also received it from the list as usual. If something weird's going on here I don't know what it is or where it originated. From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 18 13:53:18 1996 Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 13:51:16 -0500 From: Warren Weiss Subject: Re: New Member In-Reply-To: KRoy@Bangate.FDA.GOV "Re: New Member" (Jan 18, 12:29pm) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.0 06sep94) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT > >> begin 600 attach.Z > Did anyone else receive my message uuencoded? I received it as uuencoded and compressed: I first uudecoded it, then uncompressed it. The header information shows an "Incognito-Sn" and an "Incognito-Format", too. -- ******************************************************************* Warren W. Weiss VMI '87 wweiss@XXXXXX AMA # 409056 weiss@XXXXXX Hughes Information Technology Company Ride: '85 VF700F Interceptor Landover, MD Deus Ex Machina Think For Yourself and Question Authority Anonymous ******************************************************************* From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 18 14:50:19 1996 From: kroy@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: New Member Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 20:50:07 GMT X-Mailer: Forte Agen1 .99c/16.141 Well, as if it's that interesting, here's my non-encoded message (at least hopefully). It's a mystery to me what happened to it the first time. On Thursday, January 18, 1996 at 10:44:30 am EST, Thomas Piergallini wrote: >Do not do it. Stay down south, move to the technology triangle in >the carolina's. > >Winter stinks. >And it is not that motorcycle riding here is dangerous, but it is >the only place in the country I have lived where drivers >intentionally try to run you down. Sorry to be so not funny and >sobering. :-( For example, this morning I had a bit of a problem. I was heading west on Cherry Hill Rd. When you cross 29 it goes from 2 lanes to 1. I make sure to be in the left lane and give myself plenty of cushion for all the people who think they need to be one car further ahead in the line of cars. Today, at the point that there's only one lane a guy came flying up next to me and "threw" his car into the lane while directly next to me. I moved further to the left and put the brakes on barely escaping. Obviously, in a crash he and his car would fare better than I would. He thought it was worth the "chance". Yesterday while using the far right "half lane" on Georgia Ave heading south towards the beltway (which I do while going slowly and being particularly careful at driveways and intersections) a pickup truck decided I should have to wait in the line of cars too. So, when I was coming past his rear wheel he swerved to the right into my lane, at ME! I wasn't slowing him down. If anything, I was one less vehicle sitting in those overcrowded lanes. A few extra doses of caution are necessary usually. Take a truck load of caution with you if you're out on the roads right now. -- Kirk Roy College Park, MD '87 Raleigh TriLite '92 Paul Reed Smith EG-3 '88 Honda Hawk GT '92 Raleigh Team 753 '88 Cannondale Criterium '93 GT Borrego KRoy@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 19 12:18:16 1996 Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 12:17:53 -0500 From: pmahoney@XXXXXX (K. Patrick Mahoney) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: New Member X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII >And it is not that motorcycle riding here is dangerous, but it is >the only place in the country I have lived where drivers >intentionally try to run you down. Sorry to be so not funny and >sobering. :-( >--- >Thomas Piergallini >3Com Primary Access Network Engineer >EMail: pierre@XXXXXX, pierre@XXXXXX This is the only place in the country that a middle aged woman in a chevy citation with another woman and a teenaged boy in the car chased my and tried to run me over when I pulled onto the shoulder to let her by. ( I had manually indicated (with a single digit) to her my displeasure with her unsignaled across 2 lanes between 2 18wheelers lane change into my lane where I was). A good example to the boy with her I thought. Welcome to the beltway!!! K. Patrick Mahoney "All complaints about any opinions expressed pmahoney@XXXXXX should be directed to me not my employer!" "Legalize Freedom Vote Libertarian" From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 19 13:35:07 1996 From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Date: 19 Jan 96 13:30:46 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: New Member In-Reply-To: <9601191717.AA03265@inetcad.cordant.com> > X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII > > >And it is not that motorcycle riding here is dangerous, but it is > >the only place in the country I have lived where drivers > >intentionally try to run you down. Sorry to be so not funny and > >sobering. :-( > >--- > >Thomas Piergallini > >3Com Primary Access Network Engineer > >EMail: pierre@XXXXXX, pierre@XXXXXX > > This is the only place in the country that a middle aged woman in a > chevy citation with another woman and a teenaged boy in the car chased my > and tried to run me over when I pulled onto the shoulder to let her by. > ( I had manually indicated (with a single digit) to her my displeasure > with her unsignaled across 2 lanes between 2 18wheelers lane change into > my lane where I was). A good example to the boy with her I thought. Welcome > to the beltway!!! > ..yow! Did you get a chance to catch the plate number of that car? I would of definately called the police on _that_ nutcase. Who knows what they would have done if you had evaded them and then started following _them_! cheers, -aki From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 19 14:34:13 1996 From: SRFox@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 14:33:40 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: New Member In a message dated 96-01-19 14:18:17 EST, someone writes: > ( I had manually indicated (with a single digit) to her my displeasure This is a practice I gave up recently; I assume now that everyone in a car is both crazy and heavily armed. I used to ride with a buddy in England named Spike the Bike; he was an amazing machinist who rode a very high horsepower cafe bike long before you could even think about buying them in stores. If someone in a car pissed him off, he would pull up next to them and kick a big dent in their door. I do not condone this practice, but it sure did wonders for Spikes reputation in the bike community (and, I suspect, the general community as well). S From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 19 16:18:21 1996 Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 16:18:02 -0500 From: pmahoney@XXXXXX (K. Patrick Mahoney) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: beltway wars X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII >From:aki.damme@XXXXXX > >..yow! Did you get a chance to catch the plate number of that car? I >would of definately called the police on _that_ nutcase. Who knows >what they would have done if you had evaded them and then started >following _them_! > >cheers, >-aki YES YES I did they didn't care ( I guess i needed it video taped , but that didn't help rodney king though) I also got her Home address to suggest to her husband that he teach her the rules of the road. but I figure with My luck it would be her that answered the door I would probably just punch her out without a word. then I would be wrong so.... I just let it drop. yes I did follow her after I hide behind some trucks ( at 65MPH) and she couldn't find me. I just couldn't figure out what to do then. Like a dog chasing cars, what do you do when you catch one??? To top it al off her License plate frame said she was a member of the "Sweet Adalines". I have wanted to SPIT every time I have heard that name since!! >From: SRFox@XXXXXX >> ( I had manually indicated (with a single digit) to her my displeasure > >This is a practice I gave up recently; I assume now that everyone in a car is >both crazy and heavily armed. I have also! I am crazy, but some are better armed then I am!! From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 19 16:20:22 1996 Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 16:20:19 -0500 X-Sender: m-rider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: New Member . . . snip . . . >> >the only place in the country I have lived where drivers >> >intentionally try to run you down. Sorry to be so not funny and . . . snip . . >> and tried to run me over when I pulled onto the shoulder to let her by. >> ( I had manually indicated (with a single digit) to her my displeasure . . . snip . . . >.yow! Did you get a chance to catch the plate number of that car? . . . snip . . . Relax, guys. You're going to get hurt or give yourself an ulcer. If you had been able to report it, NOTHING would have been done about it. She didn't hit anyone, therefore at worst it is reckless driving. You don't have proof that it occurred, (your word against hers) and proof is required for any conviction. Second, since no policeman saw it, it is unlikely that any cop you did find would waste his time writing a ticket for it. If you're on a bike, you are at the bottom of the food chain, they have Jaguars and Cougars and Baracudas. Bikes are roadkill. Back to the original thread. . . yes, it is easier to ride in SC than here. There are fewer drivers, and there isn't the 'rat in the maze' mentality. But it is possible to ride here and enjoy it. I like my 40 mile commute to work. It has all the things that make a ride fun. High speeds on the I95/I395 HOV lanes, turns on the ramps, rough roads in DC, jockeying for position on Nebraska and Wisconsin Ave, and slow easy riding through nice neighborhoods on Old Georgetown Rd and FoxHall Rd. Leon. m-rider@XXXXXX begeman@XXXXXX 1983 Honda CX650C 124Kmiles 1983 Honda GL650I 68Kmiles 1978 Honda CB400A 15Kmiles From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 22 14:24:15 1996 From: "Mantei, Debra, SSg, OSD/C3I" To: "'dc-cycles-info'" Subject: Getting Ready to Buy Date: Mon, 22 Jan 96 14:18:00 PST Encoding: 17 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 I'm scouting out info quickly. If you have constructive feedback, pls email me asap. Thx. I am getting ready to lay down money tonite on a 1982 Kawasaki LTD 550. The bike's in great shape and doesn't look bad. The only thing sort of bugging me still is the seat height. Even though my feet are firmly on the ground, I feel like the seat should be 1/2 inch to an inch lower. I have ridden a Virago 535 and I think this is why I feel like I do. If I buy, say for example, a Corbin seat, can I get it to sit lower on the bike than the factory seat? I'm sure if I ride the bike, I'll adapt to it, but if I want to, can it be changed or will a new seat HAVE to be installed at the same height? Any feedback I can get w/i the next 1-2 hours, I'd greatly appreciate. debra,mantei@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 22 15:48:40 1996 Date: Mon, 22 Jan 96 15:42:26 EST X-Priority: 3 (Normal) To: , From: "Frank George" Subject: re:Getting Ready to Buy ----------------------[Reply - Original Message]---------------------- Sent by:"Mantei, Debra, SSg, OSD/C3I" If I buy, say for example, a Corbin seat, can I get it to sit lower on the bike than the factory seat? I'm sure if I ride the bike, I'll adapt to it, but if I want to, can it be changed or will a new seat HAVE to be installed at the same height? debra,mantei@XXXXXX ===================================================================== Corbin doesn't make a seat for the 550LTD. A KZ550 seat cannot be adapted because the tank and rear fender are different. I've been looking to have my '81 550LTD seat done, and it looks that I'll probably have it done by a local furniture shop. They should be able to take out some foam to make it lower, but I couldn't tell you how it will look. I've got the opposite problem. I'm 6' and want the seat an extra 1/2" higher. Good Luck. Frank George fegeorge@XXXXXX fgeorge@XXXXXX Reynolds Metals Company / Corporate Engineering "opinions are mine, ... mailbox is the company's" From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 22 16:14:56 1996 Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 16:09:10 -0500 From: Warren Weiss Subject: Re: Getting Ready to Buy In-Reply-To: "Mantei, Debra, SSg, OSD/C3I" "Getting Ready to Buy" (Jan 22, 2:18pm) To: "'dc-cycles-info'" Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.0 06sep94) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT On Jan 22, 2:18pm, Mantei, Debra, SSg, OSD/C3I wrote: > Subject: Getting Ready to Buy > I feel like the seat should be 1/2 inch to an inch lower... > ...If I buy, say for example, a Corbin seat, can I get it to sit lower on the > bike than the factory seat? You may not even need to buy a Corbin seat. If you can stand to be without a seat for a week or two, Sargent Upholstery (or Seat Repai or whatever it is called) can probably replace the seat foam and lower it a half-inch. They advertise in most of the bike rags and are very reasonably priced. I almost sent a seat to them for repair a few years ago, but decided to give it to a local shop instead. Big mistake! Next time it goes to Sargent. Give 'em a call! -- ******************************************************************* Warren W. Weiss VMI '87 wweiss@XXXXXX AMA # 409056 weiss@XXXXXX Hughes Information Technology Company Ride: '85 VF700F Interceptor Landover, MD Deus Ex Machina Think For Yourself and Question Authority Anonymous ******************************************************************* From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 23 07:04:42 1996 X-Sender: mackinto@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 23 Jan 1996 07:04:35 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: mackinto@XXXXXX (David Mackintosh) Subject: DC area to Baltimore Bike Show ride Cc: hawkgt@XXXXXX I am planning to go to the Baltimore Bike Show this weekend, either riding my Hawk up from the Potomac/Bethesda/Rockville/Germantown MD areas leaving about 11:30-12 noon on Saturday if it's not raining, or driving up Friday evening if the forcast is poor. Cold is not a problem. Anyone interested in meeting up for the ride, maybe stopping for lunch? If the roads are in good shape (should be by then) I'd like to take some back roads on the way out, probably highway coming back. Also, anyone know of a local source for discount tickets? I'll be calling a couple of dealers today. I'll probably also ride my Hawk out to Coleman Powersports today at lunch to check out the new 900RR, which they say is in. I'll probably be there from about 11:30-12:00 in a red/grey Aerostich suit, if anyone else wants to stop by. Please reply to this address. Later, David Mackintosh Germantown, MD, USA '82 245 Turbo WVC #M141 mackinto@XXXXXX '89 Honda Hawk GT RC31 DoD #1360 From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 23 15:55:21 1996 Date: Tue, 23 Jan 96 15:54:52 -0500 From: Richard Clark To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: (Not so) white lettering on tires Hi Y'all! Someone's got to know this... So, like, how do you get the raised white lettering on your tires to be nice and bright white? Mine'r kinda yellowed a little... The tires aren't dry-rotted, still nice and soft and perfecly good, but the slight yellow of the lettering is annoying when the rest of the bike looks like it just rolled off the showroom floor! Any hints? Richard - 1983 Honda Magna 750 richard@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 23 16:38:29 1996 From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Date: 23 Jan 96 16:33:57 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: (Not so) white lettering on tires In-Reply-To: <9601232054.AA20647@hilo.trusted.com> > Hi Y'all! > > Someone's got to know this... > > So, like, how do you get the raised white lettering on your tires to > be nice and bright white? Mine'r kinda yellowed a little... The > tires aren't dry-rotted, still nice and soft and perfecly good, > but the slight yellow of the lettering is annoying when the rest > of the bike looks like it just rolled off the showroom floor! > > Any hints? > ..I've found the easiest way to clean the white letters is to use a Brillo pad...just wet it, scrub the letters and spray the soap off...works great and only takes a couple of minutes... cheers, -aki From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 23 17:25:38 1996 Date: Tue, 23 Jan 1996 17:25:35 -0500 X-Sender: m-rider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Richard Clark , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: (Not so) white lettering on tires At 15:54 1/23/96 -0500, you wrote: >So, like, how do you get the raised white lettering on your tires to >be nice and bright white? Although I haven't done anything like this for years, I once found some stuff that you could smear over the letters. It was a paint stick sorta thing. If you were careful with it, you could paint the letters very nicely, if you were in a hurry, some of the paint would get down in between the high spots. If you really wanted to, you could fake the raised letters by coloring in the regular letters on a black wall tire. I really hope it's above freezing for at least one of the days this weekend, I really need to hose all the sand and salt and road crud off my bike. Right now the unpainted aluminum rear wheel is the same color as the back tire. Hm, come to think of it, the drive chain is that color all the time. Leon. m-rider@XXXXXX begeman@XXXXXX 1983 Honda CX650C 124Kmiles 1983 Honda GL650I 68Kmiles 1978 Honda CB400A 15Kmiles From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 23 21:20:38 1996 Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 02:20:37 GMT From: leavitt@XXXXXX (Mr. Bill) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: FS: 1976 Honda CJ360T I've crossposted this to dc-, balt- and philly-cycles. If you've seen it already, go ahead and hit "d" now... For Sale: 1976 Honda CJ360T This bike is my current commuter. While it's not a "daily" driver (I cage to work too much :-) it sees regular service and is very reliable. The bike runs very well and is pretty clean, tho' not mint. It has a good battery and good tires (Yokohama). Everything works. 21K miles. There should be nothing needed to pass inspection. I am willing to pre-inspect for SERIOUS parties. This would make a good commuter (has for me), 'round town bike or first bike. It has its toolkit and comes with a service manual and some spare parts. Delivery possible within ~75 miles of Baltimore MD. $400/bo. Reasons for sale: I need more garage space, and money for the taxman. Mr. Bill -- Bill Leavitt, leavitt@XXXXXX | "Blow it out your ass, motorcycle man! AMA, ICOA, Lemans, KTC, DoD #224 | I am THE DEVIL, do you UNDERSTAND?" HON: 82 CBX, 79 CX500, 76 CJ360* |________--Frank Zappa, "Titties & Beer" SUZ: 82 GS850G, 76 RE5, 2-75 RE5 KAW: 72 H2 *For sale, VG cond, $400/bo From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 23 22:23:23 1996 From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: DC area to Baltimore Bike Show ride To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 23 Jan 1996 22:23:18 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24alpha3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > From: mackinto@XXXXXX (David Mackintosh) > Subject: DC area to Baltimore Bike Show ride > > Also, anyone know of a local source for discount tickets? I'll be > calling a couple of dealers today. I'll probably also ride my Hawk > out to Coleman Powersports today at lunch to check out the new 900RR, > which they say is in. I'll probably be there from about 11:30-12:00 > in a red/grey Aerostich suit, if anyone else wants to stop by. > Were you able to find a source of discount tickets? (if so, could you share the news!?) Also, how much is the regular admission (in case I can't find discount tickets). Anyone know? Thanks, Louis ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Louis Caplan | louis@XXXXXX Alexandria, VA | '84 Honda Nighthawk-S 700SC DoD #1754 | No fancy quotations, yet!!! From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 24 04:27:37 1996 From: "Mr. Kosmas Pentakalos" Subject: Re: DC area to Baltimore Bike Show ride To: mackinto@XXXXXX (David Mackintosh) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 04:26:16 -0500 (EST) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, hawkgt@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <9601231204.AA11839@oasys.dt.navy.mil> from "David Mackintosh" at Jan 23, 96 07:04:35 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On your way to the bike show you could stop at Cycle Connection off of I-195 and Washington blvd (1 mile East o I-95 and 100 yards South of I-195 BWI exit on route 1) to get $1.00 discount tickets. Kosmas From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 24 08:34:59 1996 From: "Mantei, Debra, SSg, OSD/C3I" To: "'dc-cycles-info'" Subject: White Lettering Date: Wed, 24 Jan 96 08:30:00 PST Encoding: 8 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 You can buy thru mail order mags a product that resembles liquid paper, but it's called Letter White or Letter Brite and you just paint it on the letters and presto! white letters again. Good Luck. Dennis Kirk's number is 1-800-328-9280 My catalogue is at home or I'd look up the order number for you. If they don't have it, look in the back of some motorcycle mags, I've also seen it thtere. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 24 08:40:09 1996 From: "McLoone, William J." To: DC-Cycles List Subject: Re: DC area to Baltimore Bike Show ride Date: Wed, 24 Jan 96 08:33:00 EST Encoding: 15 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 >> Also, anyone know of a local source for discount tickets? >Were you able to find a source of discount tickets? (if so, could >you share the news!?) Also, how much is the regular admission (in case >I can't find discount tickets). Anyone know? Thanks, I've heard that AMA members receive a little discount and that the price is probably around $8. I could be wrong though. Bill McLoone '82 Susuki GS-450TXz (for Sale) '81 Yamaha XS-11H (50% mine) Burtonsville, MD USA '82 Kawasaki KZ-750E (deal in process) 1-800-AMA-JOIN BK-MD I "Ride with Pride" From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 26 11:38:58 1996 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 11:39:08 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: sash@XXXXXX (Michael A. Dow) Subject: Re: FS:360cc (Yamaha?) Would the person who posted the bike for sale (I think it was a 360cc Yamaha w/21K on it) please send me email? I have a friend who is interested in taking a look and (probably) buying it. I know the asking price is $400, but any other info would be useful. Thanks, -Sash ___________________________________________________________________ Michael A. "Sash" Dow AMA# 403971 | HRCA Member | DoD# 1808 = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = '94 Honda VF750C Magna ("Thanks, but it's not a Harley") in Yellow! "I don't wanna pickle /I just wanna ride on my motorsickle" -Arlo ___________________________________________________________________ "Love is a matter of chemistry; sex is a matter of physics." From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 26 13:59:29 1996 From: "McLoone, William J." To: DC-Cycles List Subject: RE: Bike for Sale (1976 Honda CJ360T) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 96 13:52:00 EST Encoding: 51 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 >Would the person who posted the bike for sale (I think it was a 360cc >Yamaha w/21K on it) please send me email? >Sash I didn't post it but I had it in my mail files so am reposting it. Mr. Bill is selling it and he should see your post. If he does not his sig block has his info. ***** Begin Original Message ---------- From: leavitt%cs.UMD.EDU To: philly-cycles%forum.swarthmore.edu Subject: FS: 1976 Honda CJ360T Date: Wednesday, January 24, 1996 2:21AM I've crossposted this to dc-, balt- and philly-cycles. If you've seen it already, go ahead and hit "d" now... For Sale: 1976 Honda CJ360T This bike is my current commuter. While it's not a "daily" driver (I cage to work too much :-) it sees regular service and is very reliable. The bike runs very well and is pretty clean, tho' not mint. It has a good battery and good tires (Yokohama). Everything works. 21K miles. There should be nothing needed to pass inspection. I am willing to pre-inspect for SERIOUS parties. This would make a good commuter (has for me), 'round town bike or first bike. It has its toolkit and comes with a service manual and some spare parts. Delivery possible within ~75 miles of Baltimore MD. $400/bo. Reasons for sale: I need more garage space, and money for the taxman. Mr. Bill -- Bill Leavitt, leavitt@XXXXXX | "Blow it out your ass, motorcycle man! AMA, ICOA, Lemans, KTC, DoD #224 | I am THE DEVIL, do you UNDERSTAND?" HON: 82 CBX, 79 CX500, 76 CJ360* |________--Frank Zappa, "Titties & Beer" SUZ: 82 GS850G, 76 RE5, 2-75 RE5 KAW: 72 H2 *For sale, VG cond, $400/bo ***** End Original Message ***** Bill McLoone '82 Susuki GS-450TXz (for Sale) '81 Yamaha XS-11H (50% mine) Burtonsville, MD USA '82 Kawasaki KZ-750E (deal in process) 1-800-AMA-JOIN BK-MD I "Ride with Pride" From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 28 12:44:09 1996 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "brian downey" Organization: PSA To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Sun, 28 Jan 1996 12:37:12 +0000 Subject: BaltoMotoShow Report (longish) Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.20) Howdy y'all The following are my quick impressions of the Baltimore International Motorcycle Show and the members of the moto community found there. I offer this as possibly instructional to someone planning to attend a future show, and to solicit comments from other DCRiders out there who have show experiences to share also. Feel free to hit at any time during this message :) I went up to the Balt Convention Center at about 11am Sat 1/27 with spousal and miniature units. Wet but uneventful trip, parking was easy. I don't think I would have biked even if going alone - both the weather and Beltway road conditions were pure crap ... This was my first bike show, by the way, so I didn't really know what to expect. My first thought on entering the hall was "geez, what a lot of 'Harley Lifestyle' type folks there are here". This didn't change as the afternoon proceeded. BTW, I love all motorcycles. I'm a biker first, sportish rider second, commuter third, (etc) and brand loyal _last_ - so don't think me a H-D basher... but where did all these people come from?? Does H-D really sell that many bikes? I was amazed. Where were all the squidly performance bikers? I dunno. I had really gone to the show to scope out, and prob buy a pair of leather pants. I was hoping for good semi-race style for max skin protection. I was really disappointed in the vendor representation. The only pants I saw were at the HD of Baltimore display. Other booths had lots of jackets, sure, and chaps ("but what about my sensative posterior??"), T-shirts, pins, patches, belts, leather cig pouches (!?!), etc. No really serious leathers for road/race riding. Most everything geared toward the cruising crowd. I did, however, buy a decent pair of basic leather jeans from the H-D folks _cheap_. I wouldn't have even considered them at list price - I still think Harley(tm) gear is for poseurs more than riders. Now I will have to explain why my leather-clad butt has "Harly-Davidson" embossed on it ... The new bike displays were fairly small and put on by dealers. There were no factory reps/displays. The most complete were the ones from Bob's BMW (I've really got to get out there to see the shop) and HD of Balt. They both seemed to have most of their lines represented, and were very popular stops. Their staffs were all great to talk to, and were apparently offering genuinely good "show price" deals to prospects. It was hard to get near a Harley or Buell .... The Suzuki/Honda/Kaw displays were there but a little thin, and mostly ignored by the strolling masses. I did like the look of all the new Triumphs, though. Way cool stuff. There was a noticeable lack of new Italian hardware. Too bad. I also found the AMA booth and finally signed up. After about 25yrs on two wheels, I'm embarrassed to say. Good folks there, and they do good work on our behalf. The discount at most bike shops is very nice too. I recommend you become a member if you aren't yet. I was talking to one of the leather vendors, and he said that there is usually a better selection of clothing (and other accessories) at the monthly "Jam-On" Swap Meets. Anybody else been to these and can tell about it? The "show bikes" were (again) mostly Harleys. Some were awesome to look at (but clearly never put on the road), and I did my share of drooling. But I guess I don't appreciate H-D enough, cause after 4 or 5 I got bored with 'em. Some of the vintage Triumphs and Nortons were really pretty, but there were too few of them. Some of the roughest/toughest looking bikers were just gaga over the scooters (yeah, like Vespas!!) - a biker subculture I've not seen before :) Anyway, a sorta fun way to spend a rainy afternoon for $18 (they let my small ones in for free), and I did get a great deal on the leather ... overall I'd rate the show about a 6 on the 10 scale. Time to get back on the road; keeping the shiny side up, BD _______________ ===(')(') ________________bfd_____ Brian Downey "" brdowney@XXXXXX Falls Church, VA brdowney@XXXXXX '84 750 Interceptor DoD#4657 exUSN 2 cool boys From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 29 07:11:17 1996 X-Sender: mackinto@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 07:11:02 -0400 To: brdowney@XXXXXX From: David Mackintosh Subject: Re: BaltoMotoShow Report (longish) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX At 12:37 PM 1/28/96 +0000, you wrote: >I went up to the Balt Convention Center at about 11am Sat 1/27 with >spousal and miniature units. Wet but uneventful trip, parking was >easy. I don't think I would have biked even if going alone - both >the weather and Beltway road conditions were pure crap ... This was >my first bike show, by the way, so I didn't really know what to >expect. It was my first trip to the show, too. I was planning on riding up Saturday, myself, but due to the forcast I ended up driving Friday evening. I parked for free at Camden Yards (outside) and was glad I didn't ride. >Does H-D really sell that many bikes? Yes. Hard to believe isn't it? 6 of the top ten selling bikes last year. The rest were Hondas and the only non-cruisers were the Wing and the F3. >I was amazed. Where were all the squidly performance bikers? I dunno. At home reading "Sport Rider," I guess. >The new bike displays were fairly small and put on by dealers. There >were no factory reps/displays. The most complete were the >ones from Bob's BMW (I've really got to get out there to see the >shop) and HD of Balt. Yeah, I'll have to get to Bob's, myself. I really liked the R1100R with spoked wheels. They said I could test-ride any model they had. >The Suzuki/Honda/Kaw displays were there but a little thin, and mostly >ignored by the strolling masses. I did like the look of all the new >Triumphs, though. I thought the new, all-red, CBR900RR looked _great_! I'd still be more likely to buy a VFR, though. I took a quick look at the Triumphs and asked one of the dealer reps if they had had any Adventurers. "Never heard of it, he said." When I told him it was based on the T-Bird he said "Oh, I guess I didn't order any of those." Scary. >Way cool stuff. There was a noticeable lack of new Italian hardware. There was one 916. Tiny bike, very short with extremely low bars. There was also a Moto Guzzi Sport 1100 at a private display, I guess, which I loved the looks of. >Anyway, a sorta fun way to spend a rainy afternoon for $18 (they let >my small ones in for free), and I did get a great deal on the leather >... overall I'd rate the show about a 6 on the 10 scale. Yeah, I thought it was worth going to once, but probably not again. I hear most of the same show bikes come every year, too. I did buy three nice British Honda books, which I plan to scan some pictures from. >Time to get back on the road; keeping the shiny side up, Nice ride in this morning; hope it doesn't sleet on me this afternoon. David Mackintosh Germantown, MD, USA '82 245 Turbo WVC #M141 mackinto@XXXXXX '89 Honda Hawk GT RC31 DoD #1360 Dying is the most embarrassing thing that can ever happen to you.--Andy Warhol From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 29 08:37:16 1996 Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 08:37:14 -0500 X-Sender: m-rider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Leon Begeman Subject: Straightening levers I got my GL650 back on the road yesterday, and was reminded again about one of the reasons I parked it. The front brake lever is bent. I haven't had a lot of luck straightening these. Most of the time, they'll bend back part way to the original position and then break off. Is there a way to bend an aluminum lever back to it's original position? Can I heat it with a propane torch and then bend it? I can use it just fine the way it is except for the tight left turns. The last inch or so cause the lever to contact the fairing and apply the front brake. Thanks. Leon. m-rider@XXXXXX begeman@XXXXXX 1983 Honda CX650C 124Kmiles 1983 Honda GL650I 68Kmiles 1978 Honda CB400A 15Kmiles From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 29 14:42:00 1996 From: THOMASONCO@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 14:41:26 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: A Novice Question It's a bright sunny day, you bike to a shopping center or mall. Where is the best place to park your bike to keep it out of harms way? As I think of it, what are other daily situations that a novice rider should consider. Are helmet locks good or bad? What about wheel locks? Is Bike Week in Daytona a worth while trip? How many folks actually wear leather in the summer? Can you use a downtown parking garage? Thanks in advance, Dallas From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 29 14:47:37 1996 From: "jay gitomer" Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 14:12:35 -0500 X-Mailer: Z-Mail-SGI (3.2S.1 10apr95 MediaMail) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, balt-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: FS: 79 Sportster Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii For Sale: A Good Solid Bike. 79 Sportster, 1000cc, good condition. Probably needs new clutch cable. $4250. Frederick MD. Jay -- ___________________________________________ "One can know an existence by its frogs..." Charles Forte From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 29 15:54:10 1996 From: "McLoone, William J." To: DC-Cycles List Subject: RE: A Novice Question Date: Mon, 29 Jan 96 15:45:00 EST Encoding: 87 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Dallas asks: >It's a bright sunny day, you bike to a shopping center or mall. Where is the >best place to park your bike to keep it out of harms way? As I think of it, >what are other daily situations that a novice rider should consider. I park in any space that's open. Many people only park where they can see their bike, I suppose it depends on the value/desirability of your bike and personal preference. When in a space, park so that drivers can see your bike before they pull into the space and crunch your machine. Keep in mind you will need to leave the space so consider your exit options before selecting a space. I usually find a space I can pull through so I don't have to duckwalk backwards to leave the space. When in lots be very careful of other drivers as street rules and common sense are not utilized. Watch for slick hazards such as puddles of leaked oil, antifreeze, A/C condensation, etc. This rule also applies double for toll booths. Always stay in a tire groove and never act squidy as they are the slickest spots on the interstate. Many metered or payed parking facilities limit bike parking to one bike per space. Keep this in mind to avoid tickets. ABATE of MD is supporting and lobbying for a bill that will allow multiple bike parking in the state. >Are helmet locks good or bad? I've used mine but will carry the helmet if I will be away from the bike for a long time. It's easy to cut the chin strap that locks the helmet and then the punks have my lid. I also keep it with me so it is a comfortable temperature and dry when I need to wear it again, not hot, cold, wet, etc. >What about wheel locks? A valuable item that many people including myself use. They won't stop someone from lifting your bike into a van but they do discourage criminals and are convenient on size. I have learned the hard way that you will not always remember to remove it even if you think you will. After replacing two speedo cables I now have a string that I put over my handlebars that attaches to the lock. This goes across my ignition and reminds me to remove the lock before moving. Another method which people use, is to place a magnet over the ignition switch until the lock is removed. >Is Bike Week in Daytona a worth while trip? Some say yes, some say no. I've never been so can't comment. >How many folks actually wear leather in the summer? YES, YES, YES, YES!! Dress to crash, you never know when you are going down. Riding gear protects you from the stiff brush that scrapes the dirt out of your road rash at the ER. It also protects from flying debris, bugs, wind, sun, and all the other elements you are exposed to. If you do decide to risk riding sans gear please at least wear a helmet, jeans, boots, gloves, and a long sleeve shirt. This will at least protect you from most of the hazards. Keep in mind that denim will only offer protection during the first 4 feet of a slide, after that you are on your own, literally. >Can you use a downtown parking garage? Many don't allow it because of the liability of the gates falling on riders. Where I work they say to skirt the gate and don't worry about it, but I pay monthly so they get my money anyway. I've never had a problem finding street parking when riding in the city so I can't really speak about most places. If you know you are in a certain area often, it may not be a bad idea to ask ahead. There are several good web sites with information that I found useful as a beginner. I encourage you to do some web surfing if you can. Look for Ravi's page, it's one of the better one's and it's listed on a lot of the link pages. If you have questions let me know and I'll track down the some addresses for you. If you haven't already done so I encourage you to take a Motorcycle Safety Foundation Riders Course, they are very valuable and beneficial. Sorry to be so long-winded, I have the talent of making a short story long. I hope this information is useful. YMMV I look forward to seeing you on the road. Bill McLoone '82 Susuki GS-450TXz (for Sale) '81 Yamaha XS-11H (50% mine) Burtonsville, MD USA '82 Kawasaki KZ-750E (deal in process) 1-800-AMA-JOIN BK-MD I "Ride with Pride" From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 29 16:42:17 1996 Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 16:42:12 -0500 X-Sender: dale@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Dale Coyner Subject: Re: A Novice Question At 14:41 29/01/96 -0500, you wrote: I think Bill McLoone addresses your questions well, I just wanted to add one point: >How many folks actually wear leather in the summer? I own two pieces of riding gear, a one-piece Aerostich suit which I wear 90% of the time I ride, and a Vent-Tech leather jacket which I wear the other 10% -- typically the hottest days of the year. I can't say enough good things about both pieces of gear, but I'll focus on the Vent-Tech. The Vent-Tech (originally called the Cool-Tech until a trademark dispute erupted) is a very sturdy, race-quality leather jacket that contains mesh that runs from the underarm down the sides of the jacket where you are least likely to slide on the road. This design effectively ventilates the hottest area of the upper torso while providing near-maximum riding protection. It provides excellent ventilation when you're moving and yet doesn't significantly diminish safety. Not sure how they are distributed these days, when I bought mine it was direct mail order, but I know they have occasionally been found at dealerships. As a means of encouraging you to wear leather on even the hottest day, I can heartily recommend this product as a potential solution. dale From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 29 19:25:31 1996 From: "McLoone, William J." To: DC-Cycles List Subject: Vent-Tech (was: A Novice Question) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 96 19:18:00 EST Encoding: 31 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Thanks for the kind word Dale, it's nice too know I wasn't speaking out of my butt. You brought up some good warm weather alternatives to tradition leathers. I also like the Vent-Tech product want to add that Vent-Tech now offers a few different jackets and I hear that they all perform very well. I have seen them at Cycles USA in Silver Spring and have liked them since, I believe they still carry them. I hear it was designed by a professional rider who went down during a recreation ride on a hot day in which he opted to leave the leathers at home. He suffered some pretty serious road rash and thought that someone should make a jacket that offered protection from the road without suffering in the heat. He sketched out the initial concept in his hospital room while evaluating where potential injuries would occur and his own injuries. I am told that with it's removable lining in place it is good down to the mid 50 degree range and that in the summer it is very pleasant to wear as long as the bike is moving. I would encourage all riders to purchase their safety gear wisely and to by the best they can afford. If you buy quality products they should provide many years of service and add to your riding experience. Bill McLoone '82 Susuki GS-450TXz (for Sale) '81 Yamaha XS-11H (50% mine) Burtonsville, MD USA '82 Kawasaki KZ-750E (deal in process) 1-800-AMA-JOIN BK-MD I "Ride with Pride" From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 30 07:14:18 1996 X-Sender: mackinto@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 07:14:00 -0400 To: THOMASONCO@XXXXXX From: David Mackintosh Subject: Re: A Novice Question Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX At 02:41 PM 1/29/96 -0500, THOMASONCO@XXXXXX wrote: >It's a bright sunny day, you bike to a shopping center or mall. Where is the >best place to park your bike to keep it out of harms way? In your garage. If not there, I would say as close to an entrance as possible. The more people around, the less like someone will risk screwing with it. Another good idea is a cheap plastic cover. I've got one that fold up pretty small so it fits easily in my tank bag. Still, between the lack of storage on my bike, my helmet, riding suit, and paranoia, I almost never park it except in my garage or at the secure Navy base where I work. Besides, I'm usually with my family when going anywhere but to work, so I'm in the cage. >As I think of it, >what are other daily situations that a novice rider should consider. Assume all other drivers are incompetent, blind, out to kill you, or any combination of the above. Just stay alert and always have an escape route. Developing good "road sense" is probably the most important thing to work on. >Are helmet locks good or bad? Very easily broken. If you have a nice lid, take it with you. >What about wheel locks? Good until you try to ride off with it in place (people do this!). Better if you can use a U-lock to attach it to something, otherwise the bike can easily be loaded into a truck or van. >Is Bike Week in Daytona a worth while trip? Probably, I've never been. I'm sure the traffic, lodging, etc. are major hassles, though. If you want to see some racing it's a nice, short ride out to Summit Point, WV. >How many folks actually wear leather in the summer? Always. You really need to wear the gear, and get as good as you can afford (or better). At the very least: leather jacket, jeans, boots, leather gloves. Really, jeans are not adequate. I'm always surprised at the guys on big touring bikes with T-shirt, no gloves, and tennis shoes. The way I see it, motorcycling is not always about being comfortable, if you don't enjoy it enough to buy and wear the gear whenever you ride, sell the bike. I enjoy it enough to ride year-round, and it's not real comfortable around here for a good part of the year. Actually, I recently bought the one-piece Aerostich suit, but it won't be any more comfortable in the summer since I now will have pants with knee armor, not just jeans. I have a size 44 V-Pilot jacket you (or anyone else) can borrow, if you want to try it. It has been down once, so it's not great looking, but functional. I won't say that everyone who rides goes down, but if you're not prepared for that possibility, you shouldn't be riding. I don't want to sound discouraging, but motorcycling takes some real commitment. I, and many others on the list, love it, but it's not for everyone. In fact, I took two weeks off the bike for the last snow, and it made me nuts. Many people put their bikes up for the winter so I guess they aren't committed like I am, but we all have to find our own level. >Can you use a downtown parking garage? Don't know. I have seen some buildings downtown with separate street-level motorcycle parking, though. If I was commuting somewhere that I had to lock the bike, I would leave one of those huge chain locks there to use. David Mackintosh Germantown, MD, USA '82 245 Turbo WVC #M141 mackinto@XXXXXX '89 Honda Hawk GT RC31 DoD #1360 Dying is the most embarrassing thing that can ever happen to you.--Andy Warhol From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 30 07:37:24 1996 X-Sender: mackinto@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 07:37:11 -0400 To: "McLoone, William J." From: David Mackintosh Subject: Re: Vent-Tech (was: A Novice Question) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX At 07:18 PM 1/29/96 EST, "McLoone, William J." wrote: >I also like the Vent-Tech product want to add that Vent-Tech now offers a >few different jackets and I hear that they all perform very well. I have >seen them at Cycles USA in Silver Spring and have liked them since, I >believe they still carry them. I've also seen them at Cycle Accessory Discounters in Gaithersburg, probably better prices. >I am told that with it's removable lining in place it is good down to the >mid 50 degree range and that in the summer it is very pleasant to wear as >long as the bike is moving. My V-Pilot jacket was pretty well, although not as well ventilated as the Vent-Tech. The vertical zippers front and back really do give decent flow-through. Of course you do have to be moving, and my bike is un-faired. >I would encourage all riders to purchase their safety gear wisely and to by >the best they can afford. If you buy quality products they should provide >many years of service and add to your riding experience. More important, they won't subtract from your sliding experience! There are a lot more Nylon jackets and suits available now, which can be a good alternative to leather. While they don't have the same abrasion protection, good impact-absorbing armor is at least as important on the street. David Mackintosh Germantown, MD, USA '82 245 Turbo WVC #M141 mackinto@XXXXXX '89 Honda Hawk GT RC31 DoD #1360 Dying is the most embarrassing thing that can ever happen to you.--Andy Warhol From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 30 09:06:57 1996 From: "Osidach, Vera Z." To: dc cycles Subject: RE: Bike Week worthwhile? Date: Tue, 30 Jan 96 09:02:00 EST Encoding: 25 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 >Is Bike Week in Daytona a worth while trip? Since no one else has really commented on this, let me jump in. Bike Week consists of a lot of activities, so it depends on what particularly you want to see down there. I'd personally have to admit that it's worth a trip -- ONCE . . . uh, maybe twice . . . . ;) In general, though, you can probably go down to Daytona at other times to see the track -- when you won't be overheating from sitting in traffic. Traffic is bad, bad, bad, very bad. %-\ I took my bike down there last year and have no desire to do it again. Sitting in traffic isn't fun, especially on an air-cooled engine. As far as track activities, those are great -- lots of vendors and bike displays. The racing is great, too. As far as "Main St." activities, those are *crowded* -- but fun. (I hear there are lots of pig-like activities for the males, too, but no comment from this disgusted female. Flame away.) I personally hate really big crowds, but once you park and walk around, it's not TOO bad -- if you're not claustrophobic. #:-) All in all, it's an experience -- but I'd rather go down there when it's less crowded for the beach stuff; the racing, however, leaves you no other options, so I'm going again this year. :) It's a fun time, even if you *do* have to sleep for a day when you return! Bear in mind that most swap meets/bike shows have a lot of the same activities; if you like crowds and/or racing, though, this just might be your thing! YMMV. -Vo '93 XLH 1200 From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 30 09:14:57 1996 Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 09:14:54 -0500 X-Sender: m-rider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Richard Clark , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Straightening levers I appreciate what you're saying, but . . . in terms of brakes, there are lots of "failure" modes. The last thing I want is "catastrophic failure." If I bend the brake lever and get it to approximately the right shape, I should be able to use it to stop. If I weaken it, it will be at the point where I straightened it which is out toward the end of the lever. If/when it breaks, I will have less leverage, but should still keep much of the original stopping power, all of it if my grip is strong enough. There is a tradeoff here. Aside from the stuff that doesn't deal with the front end, the bike needs a front brake lever, both fork seals, front wheel bearings, and although I'm not sure, I suspect the fork springs no longer meet spec on spring height. The tires and all brake pads are good. I'll let you know whether I get the lever bent back successfully. >>I got my GL650 back on the road yesterday, and was reminded again about one >>of the reasons I parked it. The front brake lever is bent. I haven't had a >>lot of luck straightening these. Most of the time, they'll bend back part >>way to the original position and then break off. Is there a way to bend an >>aluminum lever back to it's original position? Can I heat it with a propane >>torch and then bend it? > >If I may... > >#1. Don't mess with brake parts. If in doubt - REPLACE IT WITH NEW! > The last thing you want from brakes is a failure... :( > >#2. Aluminum is like hard clay. Once bent or battered its original > strength is lost for good. There is no way to restore it short > of melting it down and re-casting it into a new piece. > >#3. You might indeed be able to straighten it back using a blow-torch, > although aluminum tends to go from solid to liquid rather quickly > with no "soft" stage in between -- you've more likely to end up > with a puddle of aluminum on the floor... But do you really want > to ride with a brake lever that'll break off next time you need > to really stop fast? > >Sorry, I really don't mean to be so terse... Just that trying to >bend aluminum brake parts back into position is a very bad idea. > Leon. m-rider@XXXXXX begeman@XXXXXX 1983 Honda CX650C 124Kmiles 1983 Honda GL650I 68Kmiles 1978 Honda CB400A 15Kmiles From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 30 09:16:03 1996 Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 09:16:01 -0500 X-Sender: m-rider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Richard Clark , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Straightening levers I appreciate what you're saying, but . . . in terms of brakes, there are lots of "failure" modes. The last thing I want is "catastrophic failure." If I bend the brake lever and get it to approximately the right shape, I should be able to use it to stop. If I weaken it, it will be at the point where I straightened it which is out toward the end of the lever. If/when it breaks, I will have less leverage, but should still keep much of the original stopping power, all of it if my grip is strong enough. There is a tradeoff here. Aside from the stuff that doesn't deal with the front end, the bike needs a front brake lever, both fork seals, front wheel bearings, and although I'm not sure, I suspect the fork springs no longer meet spec on spring height. The tires and all brake pads are good. I'll let you know whether I get the lever bent back successfully. >>I got my GL650 back on the road yesterday, and was reminded again about one >>of the reasons I parked it. The front brake lever is bent. I haven't had a >>lot of luck straightening these. Most of the time, they'll bend back part >>way to the original position and then break off. Is there a way to bend an >>aluminum lever back to it's original position? Can I heat it with a propane >>torch and then bend it? > >If I may... > >#1. Don't mess with brake parts. If in doubt - REPLACE IT WITH NEW! > The last thing you want from brakes is a failure... :( > >#2. Aluminum is like hard clay. Once bent or battered its original > strength is lost for good. There is no way to restore it short > of melting it down and re-casting it into a new piece. > >#3. You might indeed be able to straighten it back using a blow-torch, > although aluminum tends to go from solid to liquid rather quickly > with no "soft" stage in between -- you've more likely to end up > with a puddle of aluminum on the floor... But do you really want > to ride with a brake lever that'll break off next time you need > to really stop fast? > >Sorry, I really don't mean to be so terse... Just that trying to >bend aluminum brake parts back into position is a very bad idea. > Leon. m-rider@XXXXXX begeman@XXXXXX 1983 Honda CX650C 124Kmiles 1983 Honda GL650I 68Kmiles 1978 Honda CB400A 15Kmiles From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 30 09:29:10 1996 From: "Jordan, Michael" To: DC-Cycles Subject: FW: Straightening levers Date: Tue, 30 Jan 96 05:37:00 PST Encoding: 15 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 >> I haven't had a lot of luck straightening these. Most of the time, they'll bend back part way to the original position and then break off. Is there a way to bend an aluminum lever back to it's original position? Can I heat it with a propane torch and then bend it? << I've had fairly good luck using a bench vise - pad the jaws with wood scraps and place the bent lever horizontally between them. Sloooooowly close the jaws, with frequent pauses for the metal to relax into the new shape. I seem to get one straightening per lever with this method. Not a guarantee, but with the co$t of new levers, anything I can do is worthwhile. From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 30 10:10:53 1996 From: "Bruce B. Dimon, VRC, Bayview, Idaho" Organization: CDNSWC Acoustic Research Detachment To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 07:12:50 PST Subject: Re: A Novice Question Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail/Windows (v1.22) > It's a bright sunny day, you bike to a shopping center or mall. Where is the > best place to park your bike to keep it out of harms way? As I think of it, > what are other daily situations that a novice rider should consider. I like parking garages. The garage by the food court in Montgomery Mall has a space near the door that has a cutoff perfect for fitting a bike. Since it's not marked as a separate space, the cars often park diagonally across it. Does Gaithersburg Mall still have those motorcycle-only spaces? > Are helmet locks good or bad? I use mine when the trunk and saddlebags were full. You can get a little extra security for full-face helmets by putting a cable lock through the visor port and securing it to the helmet lock or something more solid. > What about wheel locks? Many people use them but put a reminder note over the ignition switch when you use it. A lot of wheel parts have been broken by owners who forget to remove the wheel lock before leaving. > Is Bike Week in Daytona a worth while trip? Yeah, at least once. It's so crazy and unique that every biker should go see it. You will either love the wild crowds and want to return every year or else you'll think it's interesting and never go back. > How many folks actually wear leather in the summer? Damn Few. It's too hot and muggy to wear leather in D.C. (This will elicit a response from somebody tough enough to do it.) > Can you use a downtown parking garage? Yes but some garages prohibit motorcycles. Ask the garage. North Idaho, the land of lakes and lattes! Wing for go, not for show! bruce_dimon@XXXXXX (NEW ADDRESS FOR PERSONAL USE) My opinions are my own (everybody else thinks I am full of it). From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 30 10:16:43 1996 Date: Tuesday, 30 January 1996 10:06 ET To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: carl.burkholder@XXXXXX Subject: Re: A Novice Question Bill had some GREAT comments, I was very impressed! David on the other hand was VERY depressing! I agree with him but it was depressing the way it was stated. Anyways, my first comment is that you should always remember EVERYONE ELSE ON THE ROAD IS BIGGER THAN YOU ARE AND HAS MORE PROTECTION! Ride with that in mind always and you will have very little problems. The question that no one has answered yet is about Bike Week in Daytona. It is worth it if you love the look of costomized American style bikes! If you only like to look at Japanese bikes stay home! I went last year and had a great time despite the cold weather. I own 2 Harleys so I fit in rather well. If you go make sure to visit main street. Carl B. 91 sportster 94 Ultra --------------------------( Forwarded letter 1 follows )--------------------- Date: Tuesday, 30 January 1996 04:25 PT To: Carl.Burkholder From: mackinto@XXXXXX Subject: Re: A Novice Question >X-Sender: mackinto@XXXXXX >X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >To: THOMASONCO@XXXXXX >Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX At 02:41 PM 1/29/96 -0500, THOMASONCO@XXXXXX wrote: >It's a bright sunny day, you bike to a shopping center or mall. Where is the >best place to park your bike to keep it out of harms way? In your garage. If not there, I would say as close to an entrance as possible. The more people around, the less like someone will risk screwing with it. Another good idea is a cheap plastic cover. I've got one that fold up pretty small so it fits easily in my tank bag. Still, between the lack of storage on my bike, my helmet, riding suit, and paranoia, I almost never park it except in my garage or at the secure Navy base where I work. Besides, I'm usually with my family when going anywhere but to work, so I'm in the cage. >As I think of it, >what are other daily situations that a novice rider should consider. Assume all other drivers are incompetent, blind, out to kill you, or any combination of the above. Just stay alert and always have an escape route. Developing good "road sense" is probably the most important thing to work on. >Are helmet locks good or bad? Very easily broken. If you have a nice lid, take it with you. >What about wheel locks? Good until you try to ride off with it in place (people do this!). Better if you can use a U-lock to attach it to something, otherwise the bike can easily be loaded into a truck or van. >Is Bike Week in Daytona a worth while trip? Probably, I've never been. I'm sure the traffic, lodging, etc. are major hassles, though. If you want to see some racing it's a nice, short ride out to Summit Point, WV. >How many folks actually wear leather in the summer? Always. You really need to wear the gear, and get as good as you can afford (or better). At the very least: leather jacket, jeans, boots, leather gloves. Really, jeans are not adequate. I'm always surprised at the guys on big touring bikes with T-shirt, no gloves, and tennis shoes. The way I see it, motorcycling is not always about being comfortable, if you don't enjoy it enough to buy and wear the gear whenever you ride, sell the bike. I enjoy it enough to ride year-round, and it's not real comfortable around here for a good part of the year. Actually, I recently bought the one-piece Aerostich suit, but it won't be any more comfortable in the summer since I now will have pants with knee armor, not just jeans. I have a size 44 V-Pilot jacket you (or anyone else) can borrow, if you want to try it. It has been down once, so it's not great looking, but functional. I won't say that everyone who rides goes down, but if you're not prepared for that possibility, you shouldn't be riding. I don't want to sound discouraging, but motorcycling takes some real commitment. I, and many others on the list, love it, but it's not for everyone. In fact, I took two weeks off the bike for the last snow, and it made me nuts. Many people put their bikes up for the winter so I guess they aren't committed like I am, but we all have to find our own level. >Can you use a downtown parking garage? Don't know. I have seen some buildings downtown with separate street-level motorcycle parking, though. If I was commuting somewhere that I had to lock the bike, I would leave one of those huge chain locks there to use. David Mackintosh Germantown, MD, USA '82 245 Turbo WVC #M141 mackinto@XXXXXX '89 Honda Hawk GT RC31 DoD #1360 Dying is the most embarrassing thing that can ever happen to you.--Andy Warhol From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 30 10:55:31 1996 Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 10:55:50 -0500 (EST) From: Mark HOLM Julie Holm To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: A Novice Question In-Reply-To: <1177AC06077@bayview.dt.navy.mil> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 30 Jan 1996, Bruce B. Dimon, VRC, Bayview, Idaho wrote: > > How many folks actually wear leather in the summer? > > Damn Few. It's too hot and muggy to wear leather in D.C. (This will > elicit a response from somebody tough enough to do it.) last July, on the hottest day of the year, a group of about 20 of us rode together in Northern Virginia. These were all folks that connected via rec.moto (You may recall it if you were reading back then. You may have even gone on this trip.) More than half of the participants wore leather jackets. Get leather with LOTS of venting (my heine gericke jacket has full vents in front and back AND vents on the sleeve). And you can wet down your tee shirt under it ( a LOT of this went on). We had ONE case of heat problems, she had NO vents. (Getting her into an air conditioned house helped her.) My bike overheated. :-( But I didn't. I would never ride without my leather. That said, many do. From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 30 11:09:20 1996 X-Sender: mackinto@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 11:09:08 -0400 To: carl.burkholder@XXXXXX From: David Mackintosh Subject: Re: A Novice Question Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Bill had some GREAT comments, I was very impressed! David on the other hand >was VERY depressing! I agree with him but it was depressing the way it was >stated. Sorry 'bout that, I didn't mean to sound depressing, but I guess I feel that these issues about protective gear, riding in traffic, etc, are stern stuff. I've had two very mild (I was real lucky) get-offs, and I can't say enough about the importance of being alert, having the proper gear, and making sure your equipment is in good shape and that you know how to use it. Now get out there and ride! David Mackintosh Germantown, MD, USA '82 245 Turbo WVC #M141 mackinto@XXXXXX '89 Honda Hawk GT RC31 DoD #1360 Dying is the most embarrassing thing that can ever happen to you.--Andy Warhol From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 30 11:24:43 1996 From: Michael Majzel To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Cc: "'THOMASONCO@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: A Novice Question Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 09:58:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit At 02:41 PM 1/29/96 -0500, THOMASONCO@XXXXXX wrote: >It's a bright sunny day, you bike to a shopping center or mall. Where is the >best place to park your bike to keep it out of harms way? Thomas, just ride the bike and park it anywhere you feel comfortable. If I had to worry about where to park every time that I rode, then I think I would just take the car. I take the attitude that I pay high insurance premiums and that is what it's supposed to cover. Sometimes I leave the helmet on the bike and others I carry it with me. It just depends on how YOU feel about the situation. >As I think of it, >what are other daily situations that a novice rider should consider. You have to be alert at all times. Just ride with the thought in mind that you are invisible. Actually, in the car drivers mind, this is not too far off. You need to keep much more focused on your surroundings than when you drive a car. Always watch the road ahead, underneath and behind. Look for cars, obstacles, pedestrians, etc. You have to think ahead. >Are helmet locks good or bad? They keep the honest honest. If someone wants your helmet, they've got it. >What about wheel locks? Good cheap protection. If your nervous, get one. >Is Bike Week in Daytona a worth while trip? Bike Week in Daytona is a motorcyclists dream. If you have never been to one, the go by all means. I have been going to Daytona since the early '70's and it never gets boring. You will see some the best racing of all forms. There is a never ending show of every type of motorcycle you could imagine and some you could never. The people are friendly and you can seep in motorcycles for a week. Daytona puts out the red carpet for the motorcyclists. The businesses like the bikers better than almost any other group that comes to town. Go if you can! >How many folks actually wear leather in the summer? Leather is great, but can be very hot and uncomfortable. Once again, you ride for the enjoyment. If you are comfortable with a leather jacket, jeans and tennis shoes, then do it. As a beginning rider, I do suggest that you wear a leather jacket. When you get better, then you can make the decision what you want to do. >Can you use a downtown parking garage? Sure, sometimes you can talk to the garage attendant and he will have you park the bike where he can watch it. They will sometimes give you a break on the parking cost also. You are starting to ride motorcycles for one reason. You want to enjoy the excitement and run of doing so. Don't let all the common worries get you down. Motorcycling can be great fun. Once you have been riding for a few years, it gets into your blood and you will always be a rider. Mike From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 30 12:04:32 1996 MR-Received: by mta WBHQB3; Relayed; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 17:03:25 +0000 MR-Received: by mta GATEWY; Relayed; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 17:02:29 +0000 Alternate-recipient: prohibited Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 17:02:47 +0000 (GMT) From: Perry Coleman Subject: Getting ready for Spring! To: DC Cycles MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Posting-date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 17:02:49 +0000 (GMT) Importance: normal Priority: normal UA-content-id: E916IDK2LCBT X400-MTS-identifier: [;52307103106991/7157542@WBHQB] A1-format: ASCII A1-type: MAIL Hop-count: 2 Hello all. I have just joined the list, although I am somewhat familiar with it through my association with Bob Darden. I currently have a 1982 Kawasaki 1100 Spectre (KZ1100-D1) and my wife has a 1983 Honda 650 Nighthawk. We live in Gaithersburg, MD. I work in DC and my wife works in Rockville. Currently, I am (sort of) in the market for a mid-80's bike, like a "standard" Goldwing 1100/1200 or BMW R100 to serve as my daily driver while I continue working on the KZ - I have been trying to "restore" it's appearance and hop it up a bit at the same time. The KZ is my "sport/tourer/cruiser" bike. I'd like to make it more of a sport- cruiser (ie: hot rod) and have another bike for touring and general driving. My main interest right now is finding out about a big-bore kit for the KZ. I know that there are some kits out there, like for the KZ900/1000 bikes, but I am not familiar with specific offerings for this configuration (1100cc/Shaft drive). My questions are: 1) Does anyone know of a big-bore kit for this bike? 2) Can anyone recommend someone in the Greater Baltimore/Washington area who has experience with installing and tuning such a kit? I can do some basic things, but I would rather have a pro handle a job like this. Other questions will come to mind, I'm sure... Also, I am definitely interested in any rides this year, so please keep me in mind! Perry From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 30 12:14:37 1996 From: Dark Hacker Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 12:14:26 -0500 (EST) To: DIMON@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: A Novice Question From: "Bruce B. Dimon, VRC, Bayview, Idaho" Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 07:12:50 PST Subject: Re: A Novice Question > How many folks actually wear leather in the summer? Damn Few. It's too hot and muggy to wear leather in D.C. (This will elicit a response from somebody tough enough to do it.) I wear lears year-round. Always in the summer when I'm riding and I don't care how hot it is or how many bystanders laugh at me. I can't afford skin grafts. Speaking of leathers. What are your favoritie places in the MD/VA/DC area for leathers? Boots? I need a pair of great biker boots (Doc Martins looked real good). There seem to be damned few places around that sell good boots and leathers for bikers. - Hacker From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 30 13:14:20 1996 X-Sender: mackinto@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 13:13:42 -0400 To: Dark Hacker From: David Mackintosh Subject: Re: A Novice Question Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Speaking of leathers. What are your favoritie places in the MD/VA/DC area >for leathers? Boots? I need a pair of great biker boots (Doc Martins >looked real good). There seem to be damned few places around that >sell good boots and leathers for bikers. I couldn't find anything that was quite what I was looking for in the area, so I decided to try ordering the Aerostich Combat Touring Boots. I was really happy with their customer service when I bought my suit, so I wasn't worried about any hassles if I had to return them. I usually get stuff from them in three days UPS ground. They are heavy, all leather boots with motocross-type soles and made by Sidi. Much sturdier looking than most road race style or touring boots, and few seams so they should be pretty waterproof (I've got almost half a tin of Aquaseal on them, but not gotten them wet, yet). They were real stiff initially and took several days to break in, but now are quite comfortable. I've been wearing them all day under my jeans at work but don't do a whole lot of walking in them. The insoles are not padded, so I will probably wear my hiking boots anytime I ride somewhere that I plan to be hiking or walking more than a mile or so. Expensive at $250, but they should last longer than most. David Mackintosh Germantown, MD, USA '82 245 Turbo WVC #M141 mackinto@XXXXXX '89 Honda Hawk GT RC31 DoD #1360 Dying is the most embarrassing thing that can ever happen to you.--Andy Warhol From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 30 13:19:40 1996 From: "Mantei, Debra, SSg, OSD/C3I" To: "'dc-cycles-info'" Subject: KZ550 LTD Date: Tue, 30 Jan 96 13:16:00 PST Encoding: 23 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 I just bought an 82 KZ550 LTD and have a question to throw out about something I'm encountering and would like feedback from LTD owners. The first thing is I'm told because the bike is 14 years old, the owner's manual has been discontinued and you CANNOT get one, not even from the KZ manufacturer. ( I finally took a KZ750 LTD book) Second, I needed a new front tire. It currently has a Dunlop, but is dry-rotted down the center. I went to Cycle Sport in Springfield who looked at the bike and said they only had one tire to fit -- $113.00. I had only had in my mind to pay about $80-85.00 or even $90.00, but can't afford much more. So, we looked in the tire catalogue -- only ONE tire in the whole book would have fit this bike and I just got called today to tell me the ONE tire I can use has been discontinued and no one anywhere can get it! Michelin has an updated version of this tire and it sells for $98.00. Since I had no choice, I said do it. Has anyone else who owns an LTD had this problelm? Are there many more parts or whatever for LTDs that are discontinued that I should know about right now? Basically the bike is mechanically sound and brand new carbs, so I'm not looking for parts at this time, but someday sooner or later I'm sure to get the bad news. Any info I can get, I'd appreciate it. Thx debra.mantei@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 30 14:12:07 1996 From: "McLoone, William J." To: DC-Cycles List Subject: RE: KZ550 LTD Date: Tue, 30 Jan 96 14:05:00 EST Encoding: 41 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Debra says: >I just bought an 82 KZ550 LTD Congrats, may it serve you well. >The first thing is I'm told because the bike is 14 years old, the owner's manual >has been discontinued and you CANNOT get one, not even from the KZ >manufacturer. Have you tried to pick up a Clymer Manual, it's the MC equivalent of the automotive Chilton Manuals. They are pretty decent and a nice to have on hand. >Are there many more parts or whatever for LTDs that are discontinued ... With older bikes parts are sometimes hard to come by and can be very expensive. There is usually a low cost alternative such as used, rebuilt, or modified parts. I don't own an LTD but there is a mailing list for KZ/LTD owners which you may wish to subscribe to. I've been on it for a few weeks and the volume is pretty manageable. Sub info is: KZ/LTD: DESCRIPTION: Kawasaki KZ/LTD riders discussion group DIGEST AVAILABLE? No ADMIN ADDRESS: al420@XXXXXX TO SUBSCRIBE: human run operator -E-mail address, bike, location etc.. LIST OWNER: al420@XXXXXX WWW URL: (none) Hope this helps. Bill McLoone '82 Susuki GS-450TXz (for Sale) '81 Yamaha XS-11H (50% mine) Burtonsville, MD USA '82 Kawasaki KZ-750E (deal in process) 1-800-AMA-JOIN BK-MD I "Ride with Pride" From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 30 14:27:24 1996 Date: Tue, 30 Jan 96 14:26:06 EST X-Priority: 3 (Normal) To: From: "Frank George" Subject: re:KZ550 LTD re: manual I currently have a Clymer manual that covers all early 80's KZ550 models. Down here (Richmond), you can find these manuals at any dealer. You may have to order the specific one for the KZ550 though. In my opinion, the book gives you all of the info you need to maintain the bike. The only work I don't do is valve adjustment, and that's only because its a pain to play with shims. (so I'm lazy) re: tires This shouldn't be a problem either. If my memory serves, (the bike is at home today), the front is a standard rim found on a large variety if Kawasaki bikes. I've seen compatable tires listed in the Dennis Kirk catalog. I bought a back tire last year, and only spent about $65. The brand was a "Kenda" (?). Its no Metzeler, but the again, I dont run my LTD at Summit Point either. BTW, there a KZ/LTD specific list-serve located at al420@XXXXXX those folks love to answer all sorts of Kawasaki questions. Frank George fegeorge@XXXXXX fgeorge@XXXXXX Reynolds Metals Company / Corporate Engineering "opinions are mine, ... mailbox is the company's" From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 30 19:24:36 1996 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: A Novice Question Date: Tue, 30 Jan 96 19:16:18 -0500 From: Mark Holm and Julie X-Mailer: E-Mail Connection v2.5.03 -- [ From: Mark Holm and Julie * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] -- Dark Hacker said: >Speaking of leathers. What are your favoritie >places in the MD/VA/DC area for leathers? >Boots? I need a pair of great biker boots (Doc >Martins looked real good). There seem to be >damned few places around that sell good boots >and leathers for bikers. Sigh! I am new to the list (and be careful, I'm usually Julie Holm, even if my name is Mark Holm and Julie) and the best place I know of for selection of leather around here is Coleman Cycle Sports in Falls Church. Unfortunately, they have a sleazebag reputation. I am very happy with Herndon Cycle Sport, but they have very little leather. Understand there is an accessory place in Falls Church with a good selection , too. THere are the bike shows and swap meets, of course. :-) -------- REPLY, End of original message -------- From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 31 01:45:12 1996 From: Tken@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 01:44:36 -0500 To: mackinto@XXXXXX, hacker@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: A Novice Question doc martins boots melt on the hot exhaust! From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 31 01:45:36 1996 From: Tken@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 01:44:40 -0500 To: m-rider@XXXXXX, richard@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Straightening levers Replace any parts that are questionable. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 31 07:54:27 1996 From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: leather (was Re: A novice question) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 07:54:23 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: from "Mark Holm and Julie" at Jan 30, 96 07:16:18 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24alpha3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > Sigh! I am new to the list (and be careful, I'm usually Julie Holm, even if > my name is Mark Holm and Julie) and the best place I know of for selection > of leather around here is Coleman Cycle Sports in Falls Church. > > Unfortunately, they have a sleazebag reputation. Did you join the list before or after the discussion of Coleman Cycle Sport's reputation about a month ago? 8-) > Understand there is an accessory place in Falls Church with a good selection > , too. Do you know the name?? > THere are the bike shows and swap meets, of course. :-) At the show in Baltimore, they had First Gear "Scout" touring jackets for $440, the usual price is $500+. I almost bought one, but two things held me back, they only had black, and I really would rather get the brown; and the day before I went to Baltimore, my bike wouldn't start. Don't know if it's the battery or if I need to pay for something to be fixed. Anyhow, once I get some bucks again, I'll go to some more shows or swap meets and look again. On a side note, if when one goes to start up a bike, and the starter only gives a half-hearted grind for a second and stops, would that be the battery, or something else (like the starter itself)? The idiot lights shine nice and brightly, but someone told me they might still light up even if the battery is too weak to start the bike. Louis ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Louis Caplan | louis@XXXXXX Alexandria, VA | '84 Honda Nighthawk-S 700SC DoD #1754 | No fancy quotations, yet!!! From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 31 07:58:42 1996 From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Date: 31 Jan 96 07:55:25 -0500 To: holm@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: A Novice Question In-Reply-To: > X-Mailer: E-Mail Connection v2.5.03 > > -- [ From: Mark Holm and Julie * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] -- > > Dark Hacker said: > > >Speaking of leathers. What are your favoritie >places in the MD/VA/DC area > for leathers? >Boots? I need a pair of great biker boots (Doc >Martins > looked real good). There seem to be >damned few places around that sell > good boots >and leathers for bikers. > > Sigh! I am new to the list (and be careful, I'm usually Julie Holm, even if > my name is Mark Holm and Julie) and the best place I know of for selection > of leather around here is Coleman Cycle Sports in Falls Church. > > Unfortunately, they have a sleazebag reputation. > > I am very happy with Herndon Cycle Sport, but they have very little leather. > > Understand there is an accessory place in Falls Church with a good selection > , too. The place is called Motorcycle Accessory Warehouse in Falls Church. Art is the owner and he has a pretty good selection of leathers (as well as tires, doo dads..etc..everything except bikes themselves). Prices are just a hair above wholesale and *much* better than Coleman. Saved over $100 on my pair of Metzlers over Coleman...don't have the number handy but it's in the book and information has it also. cheers, -aki From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 31 08:00:47 1996 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 96 08:03:23 EST From: cnorloff@XXXXXX (Chris Norloff) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Chris Norloff's PMMail v1.1 Subject: 14.4 K modem for sale Hello, all. US Robotics Sportster 14,400 bps modem for sale. $50 plus shipping. Excellent condition, works great. Comes with manual, and extra software (like fax software). thanks, Chris Norloff cnorloff@XXXXXX days (202)863-2680 eves (703)222-4686 From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 31 08:01:46 1996 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 96 08:04:37 EST From: cnorloff@XXXXXX (Chris Norloff) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Chris Norloff's PMMail v1.1 Subject: You know you're a winter rider when ... Okay, all. How about a running topic of winter riding. My contribution: You know you're a winter rider when ... Sand in the road looks good 'cause it's less slippery than ice. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 31 08:26:26 1996 X-Sender: mackinto@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 08:26:14 -0400 To: "Louis F. Caplan" From: David Mackintosh Subject: Re: leather (was Re: A novice question) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >> Understand there is an accessory place in Falls Church with a good selection >> , too. >Do you know the name?? Riders Accessory Warehouse, 132 West Jefferson St, (703) 241-0733. It's a little bit tricky to find, but only about 1/2 mile from Coleman Powersport. Call for directions, he's got a _huge_ pickup you can use for a landmark. Not a huge place, and apparently a one-man show, but the guy (Art Crow) is a real character and he's quite willing to order whatever you need. BTW, I just ran spell-check on the above and one of the suggestions for "Coleman" was "Coleslaw." Well, it gave me a chuckle, anyway. David Mackintosh Germantown, MD, USA '82 245 Turbo WVC #M141 mackinto@XXXXXX '89 Honda Hawk GT RC31 DoD #1360 Dying is the most embarrassing thing that can ever happen to you.--Andy Warhol From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 31 08:37:47 1996 From: "McLoone, William J." To: DC-Cycles List Subject: RE: You know you're a winter rider when ... Date: Wed, 31 Jan 96 08:30:00 EST Encoding: 10 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 >Okay, all. How about a running topic of winter riding. >You know you're a winter rider when ... >Sand in the road looks good 'cause it's less slippery than ice. >Chris Norloff You Know you're a winter rider when ... The fog on the inside of your helmet visor turns to ice. Bill McLoone From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 31 09:41:52 1996 MR-Received: by mta WBHQB3; Relayed; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 14:24:41 +0000 MR-Received: by mta GATEWY; Relayed; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 14:29:33 +0000 Alternate-recipient: prohibited Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 14:20:06 +0000 (GMT) From: Perry Coleman Subject: Re: leather (was Re: A novice question) To: dc-cycles MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Posting-date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 14:20:09 +0000 (GMT) Importance: normal Priority: normal UA-content-id: E1094IDL20N32 X400-MTS-identifier: [;14424113106991/7175261@WBHQB] A1-format: ASCII A1-type: MAIL Hop-count: 2 Louis, >On a side note, if when one goes to start up a bike, and the starter >only gives >a half-hearted grind for a second and stops, would that be the >battery, or >something else (like the starter itself)? The idiot lights shine >nice and >brightly, but someone told me they might still light up even if the >battery >is too weak to start the bike. First guess would be the battery. It takes a WHOLE lot more juice to turn the starter than to light the idiot lights. Check the battery for fluid level, add fluid as necessary and hook it up to a charger. After a bit, you should be able to try starting it again. Depending on the age of the battery, you may just have to go and get a new one. I'm happy if I get two years out of a battery on my bike... Perry From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 31 09:54:55 1996 From: "Bruce B. Dimon, VRC, Bayview, Idaho" Organization: CDNSWC Acoustic Research Detachment To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 06:57:25 PST Subject: Leathers Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail/Windows (v1.22) > Speaking of leathers. What are your favoritie places in the MD/VA/DC area > for leathers? How about Rider's Accessory Warehouse in Falls Church, VA? As I recall, Art Crow had a good selection of leathers, especially women's leathers. Boots are harder to find. I bought a pair of Alpinstars from Myer's Cycle Engineering in Kensington, MD. Three years later, they are holding up okay, but not great. The stitching pulled out of the seam and had to be repaired. What do people reccomend for good quality riding boots? North Idaho, the land of lakes and lattes! Wing for go, not for show! bruce_dimon@XXXXXX (NEW ADDRESS FOR PERSONAL USE) My opinions are my own (everybody else thinks I am full of it). From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 31 09:57:11 1996 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 09:55:16 -0500 From: Warren Weiss Subject: Re: leather (was Re: A novice question) In-Reply-To: David Mackintosh "Re: leather (was Re: A novice question)" (Jan 31, 8:26am) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.0 06sep94) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT >>> Understand there is an accessory place in Falls Church with a good >>> selection >> Do you know the name?? > Riders Accessory Warehouse, 132 West Jefferson St, (703) 241-0733. I highly recommend Riders, too. There is an 800 number, 1-800-BEAR-AM-I. I have ordered quite a few parts from him at very reasonable prices. It is a small shop, but the selection isn't bad at all. Art is a real pleasant character, too. He has a sign posted near the door warning you not to utter the "C" word in his store (Coleman). -- ************************************************************************ Warren W. Weiss VMI '87 wweiss@XXXXXX AMA # 409056 weiss@XXXXXX Hughes Information Technology Company Ride: '85 VF700F Interceptor Upper Marlboro, MD Deus Ex Machina Think For Yourself and Question Authority Anonymous ************************************************************************ From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 31 09:58:21 1996 From: "Bruce B. Dimon, VRC, Bayview, Idaho" Organization: CDNSWC Acoustic Research Detachment To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 07:00:42 PST Subject: Re: A Novice Question Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail/Windows (v1.22) > Understand there is an accessory place in Falls Church with a good selection > , too. That would be Rider's Accessory Warehouse. I forget the phone number but they should be in the yellow pages. North Idaho, the land of lakes and lattes! Wing for go, not for show! bruce_dimon@XXXXXX (NEW ADDRESS FOR PERSONAL USE) My opinions are my own (everybody else thinks I am full of it). From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 31 09:59:41 1996 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 09:59:48 -0500 (EST) From: Mark HOLM Julie Holm To: "Louis F. Caplan" cc: DC-Cycles List Subject: Re: leather (was Re: A novice question) In-Reply-To: <199601311254.HAA16080@clark.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 31 Jan 1996, Louis F. Caplan wrote: > > > Sigh! I am new to the list (and be careful, I'm usually Julie Holm, even if > > my name is Mark Holm and Julie) and the best place I know of for selection > > of leather around here is Coleman Cycle Sports in Falls Church. > > > > Unfortunately, they have a sleazebag reputation. > > Did you join the list before or after the discussion of Coleman Cycle Sport's > reputation about a month ago? 8-) I joined this week. That's uh, after. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 31 10:04:58 1996 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 10:04:50 -0500 (EST) From: Ted Roberts Subject: Re: leather (was Re: A novice question) To: louis@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-VMS-To: IN%"louis@XXXXXX" X-VMS-Cc: IN%"dc-cycles@XXXXXX" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT From: IN%"louis@XXXXXX" "Louis F. Caplan" 31-JAN-1996 08:08:14.41 > On a side note, if when one goes to start up a bike, and the starter only gives > a half-hearted grind for a second and stops, would that be the battery, or > something else (like the starter itself)? The idiot lights shine nice and > brightly, but someone told me they might still light up even if the battery > is too weak to start the bike. >From my own experience last November, I'd say it's the battery. The cold just saps th e energy from the chemicals. I've gotten into the habit now to take the battery out of the bike when I get home and hooking it up to the "smart" charger overnight. (My apartment complex only has outdoor parking.) Ted. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 31 10:31:18 1996 Date: Wednesday, 31 January 1996 10:27 ET To: BIGBIKE@XXXXXX, balt-cycles@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: carl.burkholder@XXXXXX Subject: Death of one of our own I heard on the news this morning that a motorcyle was involved in a hit and run last night in Laurel. A White pickup truck hit the motorcycle and kept on going. The rider died at the hospital. This is a wake up call to all of us that are still riding in the winter. Although there aren't that many of us there are still just as many ass hole drivers out there trying to kill us as there are in the summer. Watch out for everyone! Trust no one in a cage! Carl B. 91 Sportster 94 Ultra Still riding and staying quite warm! From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 31 10:40:10 1996 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 96 10:33:22 PST From: "Christopher A. Meier" Subject: Re: A Novice Question To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-MAILER: Chameleon ENGP1, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII ---------------Original Message--------------- -- [ From: Mark Holm and Julie * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] -- Dark Hacker said: >Speaking of leathers. What are your favoritie >places in the MD/VA/DC area for leathers? >Boots? I need a pair of great biker boots (Doc >Martins looked real good). There seem to be >damned few places around that sell good boots >and leathers for bikers. --Sigh! I am new to the list (and be careful, I'm usually Julie --Holm, even if --my name is Mark Holm and Julie) and the best place I know of for --selection --of leather around here is Coleman Cycle Sports in Falls Church. --Unfortunately, they have a sleazebag reputation. Yes, and are very expensive! They wanted ~$240 for a motoline canyon jacket that I bought at the Balt. bike show for $165. But they do have a big selection. --I am very happy with Herndon Cycle Sport, but they have very --little leather. I agree, Herdon cycle sport is a good shop. I go there for all my maintenance. Drive an extra 20 miles or so, right past Coleman from Crystal City to Herndon. --Understand there is an accessory place in Falls Church with a good --selection --, too. Yes, it's called Rider's Accessory Warehouse, right of 66 in in Falls Church, Washington Street exit I think. They don't have a huge selection, but their prices are about the same or lower than mail order and you can walk out with it the same day. I know he does sell boots, number should be in the phone book. I got a pair of winter riding pants there that we $10 less than chaparral, and no mail. --THere are the bike shows and swap meets, of course. :-) -------- REPLY, End of original message -------- ----------End of Original Message---------- -------------------------------------------------------- Christopher A. Meier cmeier1@XXXXXX 1994 RF900RR Opinions expressed here are Mine, Mine, alllll Mine. -------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 31 10:51:10 1996 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 96 10:39:35 PST From: "Christopher A. Meier" Subject: Re: leather (was Re: A novice question) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Chameleon ENGP1, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii ---------------Original Message--------------- re: Rider's --He has a sign posted near the door warning you not to utter the --"C" word in his store (Coleman). Thats good to know, since when I purchased there, I noticed that the price tags on all his items were exactly the same style as the ones coleman uses. They are kinda unique and index cardish. But the prices were lower, so I bought. Nice to know that he isn't conneted to coleman. ********************************************************************* *** Warren W. Weiss VMI '87 wweiss@XXXXXX AMA # 409056 weiss@XXXXXX Hughes Information Technology Company Ride: '85 VF700F Interceptor Upper Marlboro, MD Deus Ex Machina Think For Yourself and Question Authority Anonymous ********************************************************************* *** ----------End of Original Message---------- -------------------------------------------------------- Christopher A. Meier cmeier1@XXXXXX 1994 RF900RR Opinions expressed here are Mine, Mine, alllll Mine. -------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 31 10:59:16 1996 From: SRFox@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 10:58:40 -0500 To: cmeier1@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: A Novice Question In a message dated 96-01-31 10:57:26 EST, cmeier1@XXXXXX (Christopher A. Meier) writes: > Yes, it's called Rider's Accessory Warehouse, right of 66 in >in Falls Church, Washington Street exit I think. They don't have a On Jefferson Street S From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 31 11:02:47 1996 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 96 11:05:21 EST From: payter@XXXXXX (Payter Versteegen) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: You know you're a winter rider when ... cnorloff@XXXXXX (Chris Norloff) sayz: * * Okay, all. How about a running topic of winter riding. My * contribution: * * You know you're a winter rider when ... * Sand in the road looks good 'cause it's less slippery than ice. * You know your riding temperature threshold. For me and my unfaired standard, w/o electrics, anything below 38, and I commute [30 min] in the cage. L8r, P8r. payter@XXXXXX =;) From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 31 11:11:39 1996 From: "McLoone, William J." To: DC-Cycles List Subject: RE: Leathers (boots) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 96 11:04:00 EST Encoding: 16 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 >What do people recommend for good quality riding boots? I wear good old combat boots. Mine are all leather lace up boots with a decent sole and a steal toe. They are broken in and are comfortable for riding and walking. When riding in rain, water will come in the toe seam so additional water prevention is necessary. I would not consider them high quality or super protective, but they are fairly protective and do a good job for the cost, which is around $60. Bill McLoone '82 Susuki GS-450TXz (for Sale) '81 Yamaha XS-11H (50% mine) Burtonsville, MD USA '82 Kawasaki KZ-750E (deal in process) 1-800-AMA-JOIN BK-MD I "Ride with Pride" From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 31 11:55:49 1996 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 11:55:47 -0500 X-Sender: m-rider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Tken@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Straightening levers At 01:44 1/31/96 -0500, you wrote: >Replace any parts that are questionable. > > Nice theory . . . not practical. Here's an example. On the 1983 Honda CX650C, there is a design flaw that causes the wheel bearing on right side of the rear wheel to work loose. After about 10,000 miles the bearing just drops in instead of being a press fit. After 20,000 miles there is about a 1/8" gap between the bearing and the wheel. After 30,000 miles the splines between the wheel and the shaft drive disintegrate. Replacing questionable parts would mean replacing the rear wheel every 10,000 miles and still having to replace the splines eventually. Splines are $75, the rear wheel is about $300, there are no good used ones because every used wheel I've found has a loose right wheel bearing. Perfect is the enemy of good enough Leon. m-rider@XXXXXX begeman@XXXXXX 1983 Honda CX650C 124Kmiles 1983 Honda GL650I 68Kmiles 1978 Honda CB400A 15Kmiles From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 31 12:22:48 1996 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 12:22:47 -0500 X-Sender: m-rider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Perry Coleman , dc-cycles From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: leather (was Re: A novice question) If you know the battery is good and this happens, it's either the starter itself or a bad cable. Both are relatively common problems on older bikes. Use a voltmeter to check for this situation. Check the voltage first at the battery, it should read about 12V then hit the starter button, the voltage should drop, if it drops to 9 or less, the battery is the problem. Next check the voltage at the starter moter. When you press the starter button, the starter should get the whole 11 or 12 volts, if it only gets 9 or so, you have a bad cable. If the starter gets the voltage and still won't turn the bike over, you probably have a bad starter. At 14:20 1/31/96 +0000, Perry Coleman wrote: >Louis, > >>On a side note, if when one goes to start up a bike, and the starter >>only gives >>a half-hearted grind for a second and stops, would that be the >>battery, or >>something else (like the starter itself)? The idiot lights shine >>nice and >>brightly, but someone told me they might still light up even if the >>battery >>is too weak to start the bike. > >First guess would be the battery. It takes a WHOLE lot more juice to >turn the starter than to light the idiot lights. Check the battery >for fluid level, add fluid as necessary and hook it up to a charger. >After a bit, you should be able to try starting it again. Depending >on the age of the battery, you may just have to go and get a new one. >I'm happy if I get two years out of a battery on my bike... > >Perry > > > Leon. m-rider@XXXXXX begeman@XXXXXX 1983 Honda CX650C 124Kmiles 1983 Honda GL650I 68Kmiles 1978 Honda CB400A 15Kmiles From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 31 12:29:20 1996 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 12:29:18 -0500 X-Sender: m-rider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: You know you're a winter rider when ... >* You know you're a winter rider when ... >* Sand in the road looks good 'cause it's less slippery than ice. >* > You know your riding temperature threshold. For me and my unfaired >standard, w/o electrics, anything below 38, and I commute [30 min] in >the cage. > >You Know you're a winter rider when ... >The fog on the inside of your helmet visor turns to ice. You Know you're a winter rider when ... You listen to the traffic reports more carefully than the weather reports. Leon. m-rider@XXXXXX begeman@XXXXXX 1983 Honda CX650C 124Kmiles 1983 Honda GL650I 68Kmiles 1978 Honda CB400A 15Kmiles From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 31 12:35:42 1996 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Brian Downey" Organization: PSA To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 12:33:00 +0000 Subject: Re: You know you're a winter rider when ... Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.20) > You know you're a winter rider when ... > Sand in the road looks good 'cause it's less slippery than ice. > Chris Norloff ... preparing for the daily commute you tell yourself things like: There isn't really *much* ice on the road After all it's only a 30 minute ride, how bad could it be? I don't really mind looking like a leather-covered Michilin Man I really *must* look into electric garmets ... Gotta ride. The alternative is that #$@*&@^% Metro. It's not all that cold .. the bike started, didn't it? Havin fun in the cold, BD _______________ ===(')(') ________________bfd_____ Brian Downey "" brdowney@XXXXXX Falls Church, VA brdowney@XXXXXX '84 750 Interceptor DoD#4657 exUSN 2 cool boys From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 31 12:42:48 1996 From: "Hawkins, Kevin" Date: 31 Jan 96 12:43:00 -0500 Original-From: "Hawkins, Kevin" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Leathers (boots) Original-Date: Wed Jan 31 12:43 EST 1996 Encoding: 16 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Content-Type: text >>>>What do people recommend for good quality riding boots? Bill mentions: >>I wear good old combat boots. Mine are all leather lace up boots with a >>decent sole and a steal toe. The danger of wearing boots that "lace up" should be obvious. With the laces constantly flapping in the wind, they might work their way loose. Loose laces could lead to lost toes or feet. Kevin Hawkins // Greensboro, NC AMA #609423 // khawkins@XXXXXX '95 900CR (Desmo) // '93 GTS1000 (RADD Boy) From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 31 12:43:14 1996 From: Dark Hacker Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 12:42:38 -0500 (EST) To: DIMON@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Leathers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 31 10:15 EST 1996 Subject: Leathers > Speaking of leathers. What are your favoritie places in the > MD/VA/DC area for leathers? How about Rider's Accessory Warehouse in Falls Church, VA? As I recall, Art Crow had a good selection of leathers, especially women's leathers. I bought my Hein Gingrich (:-) Stealth Pilot jacket from Art for DIRT cheap. But as you say, he doesn't have much of a selection of boots. Selection is fairly constrained, but what he has is all good stuff. - Hacker From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 31 13:20:44 1996 Date: Wednesday, 31 January 1996 13:18 ET To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: carl.burkholder@XXXXXX Subject: Re: You know you're a winter rid In-Reply-To: The letter of Wednesday, 31 January 1996 12:49 ET You know your a winter rider when you hope it is cold enough for light snow instead of light rain! Carl B. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 31 13:31:20 1996 From: Vimarsh Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 13:31:15 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Leathers (more comments) I just bought my Hein Gericke Stealth 2 jacket from Cycles USA for $399 IMHO they gave me a great deal. Check them out. They are in Silver Spring MD Their number is 301 460-1600. Coleman is selling that jacket for $519 which shows that they are living upto their reputation. Coleman does have the Stealth I for "sale" at $399 (last years model with less vents making it tougher to ride in during the summer) Riders Warehouse is also a nice place to check out.. - Vimarsh From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 31 14:08:03 1996 From: "McLoone, William J." To: DC-Cycles List Subject: RE: Leathers (boots) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 96 13:43:00 EST Encoding: 38 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 >>>>What do people recommend for good quality riding boots? Bill mentions: >>I wear good old combat boots. Mine are all leather lace up boots with >>a decent sole and a steal toe. Kevin responds: >The danger of wearing boots that "lace up" should be obvious. With the >laces constantly flapping in the wind, they might work their way loose. >Loose laces could lead to lost toes or feet. I must admit that's something I have not considered and is a valid point. In defense of my statement, I will say that with a properly tied bow (and a double knot safety if you want) that is covered by my pants, I've never had a lace come un-done. *Side Note: Believe it or not, there is a wrong way to tie a shoe that will come undone very easily. A good shoe tie is essentially a slip square knot. When completed the laces should lay horizontally across the shoe. If it is vertical (the bow lays over the tongue and points to your knee), the knot will not hold without a double knot safety. I don't tie a double knot and my laces have never come untied. YMMV. In conclusion I advocate that a true motorcycle boot is a better choice. For me money is an issue and I had the combat boots on hand. I have recently thought about getting a trucker type cowboy boot, the kind with an oil resistant rubber sole and a steel toe. Has anyone had any experience with wearing this type of footgear while riding? Bill McLoone '82 Susuki GS-450TXz (for Sale) '81 Yamaha XS-11H (50% mine) Burtonsville, MD USA '82 Kawasaki KZ-750E (deal in process) 1-800-AMA-JOIN BK-MD I "Ride with Pride" From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 31 14:37:46 1996 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 14:37:58 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: sash@XXXXXX (Michael A. Dow) Subject: Re: You know you're a winter rid You know you're a winter rider when: you don't know what "stabilizer" is. you get to work and you look like you just hijacked a 747. you try with every fiber of your being not to kill people who ask "but isn't it cold???" you go outside in shorts when it's 40 degrees. Cheers, -Sash Michael "Sash" Dow NIMH/DIRP/LN Building 49 Room 1B80 49 Convent Dr MSC 4115 Bethesda, MD 20892-4115 Phone: (301) 496-5625 x259 Fax: (301) 402-0046 _________________________________________ Email: sash@XXXXXX sash@XXXXXX sash@XXXXXX sashd@XXXXXX _________________________________________ Opinions expressed do not necessarily reflect those of the United States Government or its agencies. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 31 14:42:48 1996 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 14:42:46 -0500 To: "McLoone, William J." , DC-Cycles List From: sash@XXXXXX (Michael A. Dow) Subject: RE: Leathers (boots) At 13:43 1/31/96, McLoone, William J. wrote: >I have recently thought about getting a trucker type cowboy boot, the kind >with an oil resistant rubber sole and a steel toe. Has anyone had any >experience with wearing this type of footgear while riding? I used to wear a pair of cowboy boots occasionally, but found that the heel was too high to comfortably work the gear lever. I also used to wear combat boots, and would not only tie a double knot and have my jeans over the boots instead of tucked inside, but also I would stuff the bows down inside the top of the boot. Was kinda uncomfortable at first, but I soon forgot about it, and all was well. My 2 bits. Last summer I invested ($150) in a pair of Harley pull-up boots that I recommend highly. Oil resistant soles for traction; no laces for the chain drive. And they look good too =) Cheers, -Sash ___________________________________________________________________ Michael A. "Sash" Dow AMA# 403971 | HRCA Member | DoD# 1808 = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = '94 Honda VF750C Magna ("Thanks, but it's not a Harley") in Yellow! "I don't wanna pickle /I just wanna ride on my motorsickle" -Arlo ___________________________________________________________________ "Love is a matter of chemistry; sex is a matter of physics." From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 31 14:51:20 1996 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 14:50:55 -0500 (EST) From: Marasco Newton Group To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Leathers (more comments) In-Reply-To: <199601311831.NAA17073@exp1.wam.umd.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 31 Jan 1996, Vimarsh wrote: > > I just bought my Hein Gericke Stealth 2 jacket from Cycles USA for $399 > IMHO they gave me a great deal. Check them out. They are in Silver Spring MD > Their number is 301 460-1600. Coleman is selling that jacket for $519 > which shows that they are living upto their reputation. Coleman does have > the Stealth I for "sale" at $399 (last years model with less vents making it > tougher to ride in during the summer) > > Riders Warehouse is also a nice place to check out.. > > - Vimarsh > Actually when I bought my Stealth Pilot, I preferred the Stealth I to the Stealth II because of the removable collar. Something they dropped from the Stealth II. I didn't notice much difference in the venting. I too got mine at Cycles USA for $399. I found them to be very helpful and willing to cut deals. He threw in an pair of Fieldsheer pants for $200. Bryndyn email: mng@XXXXXX "It only takes two-strokes to get me excited." CB-1, RZ350 From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 31 14:59:03 1996 From: jimi@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 14:58:57 -0500 (EST) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Leathers (boots) In-Reply-To: <199601311907.OAA28791@mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I did a lot of looking into this matter last year before RCR4, wanting to get the best protection possible, but withnon-riding functionality built in. I eventually decided that I wanted the protection at the expense of functionality, and bought a pair of RC3 Motocross boots to ride in. They are VERY stiff at first, but do break in with time. For street riding, where a getoff means curbs, guardrails, etc, I can't stress more the need to protect your feet/ankles. There was a neat study posted on rec.moto a while back that showed statistically where the majority of injuries occur, and the feet/ankles were far and away the winners. Having had my right ankle permanently disabled by a motorcycle wreck I had 9 years ago, I urge you to wear as much protection as you can stand. They can't fix feet/ankles very well if you mess them up. -jimi From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 31 15:13:46 1996 From: "Robert S. Fourney" Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 15:13:43 -0500 (EST) To: BIGBIKE@XXXXXX, balt-cycles@XXXXXX, carl.burkholder@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Death of one of our own Sorry to here about that. For those of you familiar with my address, rest assured that it wasn't me or mine. [Actually, I'm a couple of lights north of Laurel in the town of Savage]. For the first time in many years I've got no bikes on the road. I pulled the carbs off the 750 to do a quick switch and found that I need to replace some O-rings on the new carbs [who makes fuel-proof O-rings, how can I tell when buying them?]. I took the battery out of the Ole Lady's 650 as per normal winter ritual, but am thinking of putting hers back on the road and going ahead and putting progressive shocks and springs on mine while I've got it out of the wind in my Dad's shed. I hate riding her bike with the NC plexifaring, but it's gotta be better than my truck. I suspect one or the other bike will be back on the road so that I can park within a half mile of my edu-office. Be careful out there, Bob Fourney From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 31 15:29:39 1996 From: "Osidach, Vera Z." To: "'dc cycles - all'" Subject: You know you're a winter rider when ... Date: Wed, 31 Jan 96 15:27:00 EST Encoding: 9 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 You know you're a winter rider when . . . . . . the frozen snot on your face thaws as you smile at the attractive member-of-the-opposite-sex in the car sitting next to you at the light and you realize that your nose is running. -Vo ;) '93 XLH 1200 (the *real* reason she can't get a date! =:-O) From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 31 16:24:35 1996 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 13:24:10 -0700 (PDT) From: "Justin V. Laubach" Subject: Leather jacket stuff In-reply-to: To: DC Cycles MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT I still need to get a leather jacket for when I get back home to ride (starting May 12 or so). Anyone know of a good jacket I could get for under $200 that is vented/lined enough to wear in hot summer and cool autumn temps? Any good used jackets out there for sale? I'd be willing to buy a good condition used jacket that is no longer needed. I am about 5'9" and 150 lbs. I've seen a lot of "motorcycle" jackets with a metal belt buckle on the front. While this might help keep the wind out, I'd be worried that this buckle could cause nasty scratches on my tank. My bike is a Seca II which is fairly upright, but I sometimes lean on the tank, especially at speed. do these really scratch? (I don't want to get one of those silly looking stickers that prevents scratches next to the rider's stomach). Any comments, etc??? from, Justin V. Laubach (JLaubach@XXXXXX) 92 Yam Seca II From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 31 17:08:09 1996 From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Date: 31 Jan 96 17:05:20 -0500 To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Leather jacket stuff In-Reply-To: > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT > > I still need to get a leather jacket for when I get back home to ride > (starting May 12 or so). > > Anyone know of a good jacket I could get for under $200 that is > vented/lined enough to wear in hot summer and cool autumn temps? > > Any good used jackets out there for sale? I'd be willing to buy a good > condition used jacket that is no longer needed. I am about 5'9" and 150 lbs. > > I've seen a lot of "motorcycle" jackets with a metal belt buckle on the > front. While this might help keep the wind out, I'd be worried that this > buckle could cause nasty scratches on my tank. My bike is a Seca II > which is fairly upright, but I sometimes lean on the tank, especially at > speed. do these really scratch? (I don't want to get one of those silly > looking stickers that prevents scratches next to the rider's stomach). > > > Any comments, etc??? > > > from, > Justin V. Laubach > (JLaubach@XXXXXX) > 92 Yam Seca II > For summer/fall riding I bought the HG California II...it has a removable liner with full length zippered vents down the right and left sides of the front and back...I believe Art at Riders Acc Warehouse stocks them or he can get them for you (thats where I bought mine)...I believe they were around $200.. excellent jacket (as are all HG jackets IMHO)... Either way, I'd give Art a call and tell him what you want...sometimes he gets in a limited number of closeouts and really cheap prices...but whatever you do...*don't* go to Coleman for any "deals"...when I bought my HG from Art, the SAME jacket was being sold at Coleman for $375.... cheers, -aki From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 31 17:32:28 1996 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 17:30:04 -0500 From: Warren Weiss Subject: Re: Leathers (boots) In-Reply-To: "Hawkins, Kevin" "RE: Leathers (boots)" (Jan 31, 12:43pm) To: "'DC Cycles'" Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.0 06sep94) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT > Bill mentions: >>> I wear good old combat boots. Mine are all leather lace up boots with >>> a decent sole and a steal toe. > > The danger of wearing boots that "lace up" should be obvious. With the > laces constantly flapping in the wind, they might work their way loose. > Loose laces could lead to lost toes or feet. They could get tangled up on the shifter/foot pegs. Very embarrassing when you come up to a stoplight and you can't take your feet off the pegs. I often wear combat boots, too. I can't think of any boot that could offer better protection, IMHO. However, I ordered a set of zippers from some military/police supply catalog which replace the laces. Actually, you lace them ONCE. They come in pretty handy. -- ************************************************************************ Warren W. Weiss VMI '87 wweiss@XXXXXX AMA # 409056 weiss@XXXXXX Hughes Information Technology Company Ride: '85 VF700F Interceptor Upper Marlboro, MD Deus Ex Machina Think For Yourself and Question Authority Anonymous ************************************************************************ From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 31 18:23:21 1996 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 15:22:34 -0700 (PDT) From: "Justin V. Laubach" Subject: winter riding To: DC Cycles MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Are there any riders out there who are still riding this time of year without electric goodies? I see msgs from people who ride year 'round, but it seems like all or most are using electric vests/gloves, etc. Is this the case? from, Justin V. Laubach (JLaubach@XXXXXX) 92 yamaha seca II From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 31 20:51:35 1996 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "brian downey" Organization: PSA To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 20:44:32 +0000 Subject: Re: winter riding Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.20) Justin V. Laubach asks provocatively: > Are there any riders out there who are still riding this time of year > without electric goodies? I see msgs from people who ride year 'round, > but it seems like all or most are using electric vests/gloves, etc. > > Is this the case? > > from, > Justin V. Laubach > (JLaubach@XXXXXX) > 92 yamaha seca II Yep. We're out here. No electrics either, in my case. Just a couple of good layers featuring wool inside and leather out. Keeping all the skin covered is key ;) Come on out and play - its a lot of fun - but keep the shiny side up, There's almost nobody out on two wheels to wave to ... BD _______________ ===(')(') ________________bfd_____ Brian Downey "" brdowney@XXXXXX Falls Church, VA brdowney@XXXXXX '84 750 Interceptor DoD#4657 exUSN 2 cool boys From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 31 21:41:07 1996 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: Leathers (boots) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 96 21:32:18 -0500 From: Mark Holm and Julie X-Mailer: E-Mail Connection v2.5.03 -- [ From: Mark Holm and Julie * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] -- I have some cowboy boots (ropers) that I sometimes wear riding. They have been resoled with non-skid soles (at a price of $69!) Problem is, not much ankle support! But you look good! -Julie -------- REPLY, Original message follows -------- Date: Wednesday, 31-Jan-96 01:43 PM From: McLoone, William J. \ Internet: (wjm1@XXXXXX) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX \ Internet: (dc-cycles@XXXXXX) Subject: RE: Leathers (boots) >>>>What do people recommend for good quality riding boots? Bill mentions: >>I wear good old combat boots. Mine are all leather lace up boots with >>a decent sole and a steal toe. Kevin responds: >The danger of wearing boots that "lace up" should be obvious. With the >laces constantly flapping in the wind, they might work their way loose. >Loose laces could lead to lost toes or feet. I must admit that's something I have not considered and is a valid point. In defense of my statement, I will say that with a properly tied bow (and a double knot safety if you want) that is covered by my pants, I've never had a lace come un-done. *Side Note: Believe it or not, there is a wrong way to tie a shoe that will come undone very easily. A good shoe tie is essentially a slip square knot . When completed the laces should lay horizontally across the shoe. If it is vertical (the bow lays over the tongue and points to your knee), the knot will not hold without a double knot safety. I don't tie a double knot and my laces have never come untied. YMMV. In conclusion I advocate that a true motorcycle boot is a better choice. For me money is an issue and I had the combat boots on hand. I have recently thought about getting a trucker type cowboy boot, the kind with an oil resistant rubber sole and a steel toe. Has anyone had any experience with wearing this type of footgear while riding? Bill McLoone '82 Susuki GS-450TXz (for Sale) '81 Yamaha XS-11H (50% mine) Burtonsville, MD USA '82 Kawasaki KZ-750E (deal in process) 1-800-AMA-JOIN BK-MD I "Ride with Pride" -------- REPLY, End of original message -------- From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 31 21:41:10 1996 Received: from mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU by krishna.cs.UMD.EDU (8.7/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA16245; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 21:41:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from vais.net by mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU (8.6.11/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA20338; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 21:41:09 -0500 Received: from [206.43.171.127] by vais.net with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0thoxV-000PXrC; Wed, 31 Jan 96 21:41 EST Message-Id: To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: Leathers (boots) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 96 21:32:22 -0500 From: Mark Holm and Julie X-Mailer: E-Mail Connection v2.5.03 -- [ From: Mark Holm and Julie * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] -- I wear lace up boots, generally hiking boots. I just double knot them, then shove the laces in the ankles. I have yet to have a problem with laces flapping in the breeze. Since these are the boots I really love to ride in, and they only cost $65 a pair, and they are HEAVY leather and very supportive of the ankle, I'm happy!! -Julie Holm -------- REPLY, Original message follows -------- Date: Wednesday, 31-Jan-96 12:43 PM From: Hawkins, Kevin \ Internet: (khawkins@XXXXXX) To: 'DC Cycles' \ Internet: (att!dc-cycles@XXXXXX) Subject: RE: Leathers (boots) >>>>What do people recommend for good quality riding boots? Bill mentions: >>I wear good old combat boots. Mine are all leather lace up boots with a >>decent sole and a steal toe. The danger of wearing boots that "lace up" should be obvious. With the laces constantly flapping in the wind, they might work their way loose. Loose laces could lead to lost toes or feet. Kevin Hawkins // Greensboro, NC AMA #609423 // khawkins@XXXXXX '95 900CR (Desmo) // '93 GTS1000 (RADD Boy) -------- REPLY, End of original message -------- From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 31 21:41:14 1996 Received: from mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU by krishna.cs.UMD.EDU (8.7/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA26986; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 21:41:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from vais.net by mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU (8.6.11/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA20342; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 21:41:12 -0500 Received: from [206.43.171.127] by vais.net with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0thoxY-000PXrC; Wed, 31 Jan 96 21:41 EST Message-Id: To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: A Novice Question Date: Wed, 31 Jan 96 21:32:26 -0500 From: Mark Holm and Julie X-Mailer: E-Mail Connection v2.5.03 -- [ From: Mark Holm and Julie * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] -- Note, I'm Julie, not Mark. We share an internet provider. Maybe I should switch this list to my school address, so you all would recognize me by my . sig. You know 1995 rec.moto newbiew of the year? -------- REPLY, Original message follows -------- Date: Wednesday, 31-Jan-96 12:32 PM From: Dark Hacker \ Internet: (hacker@XXXXXX) To: Mark Holm and Julie \ Internet: (holm@XXXXXX) Subject: Re: A Novice Question Hi Mark, Yes the Accessory place in Falls Churhc is good. I like 'em a lot but not a HUGE selection and no boots that I want. Thanks for the recs. - Hacker -------- REPLY, End of original message -------- From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 31 23:23:23 1996 Received: from mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU by krishna.cs.UMD.EDU (8.7/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA03977; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 23:23:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from access1.digex.net by mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU (8.6.11/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA24067; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 23:23:22 -0500 Received: (from king@localhost) by access1.digex.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA09432 ; for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 23:23:16 -0500 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 23:23:16 -0500 From: "Robert E. King" Message-Id: <199602010423.XAA09432@access1.digex.net> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Leathers Cc: king@XXXXXX When I (Valorie) was looking for leathers last fall, my hubby and I went to two or three shops including Rider Accessory Warehouse. Frankly, I wasn't impressed with his selection. He had two jackets to offer in my size, both of which were very pricey ($450+). I looked around and he didn't have much in smaller sizes for women either so I didn't feel too bad about needing a "large." I've seen folks complaining about Coleman Power Sports; my experience with them, novice though I am, has been all good. They had a nice selection of women's jackets. The cut, style, and price were close to what I wanted. And, the sales clerks didn't look down their noses at me. Being female, it really bugs me when sales clerks at various stores have openly commented about my becoming a "biker chick." I'm not sure what they meant by the words but the body language was quite clear. Valorie King Kawasaki 440G king@XXXXXX