From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 1 03:30:31 2005 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=PkP4vzttVU8kK6cphHGJpbyUeb8ap64R9h35Mr+I3UyDPaUUElSfD0aajSZiBDBbv+VVy1YPI86ymhU8ye1os5Rrdm4RNHoJ8I1MWtBuR22TYi0rfFTrZ3uuPjXNQL04CliFP6zSa5iQjZgeCZ/eL4e6A84jUHUXkderAnad4Jo= ; Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 00:30:23 -0800 (PST) From: Julian Subject: Happy New Year To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Just got back from a %^** bar shift but great relatively warm ride home. Happy New Year to everyone and may '05 be better than any other year thus far. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 1 18:33:46 2005 From: "David Lowenstein" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Ramp Recommendation Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 18:12:25 -0500 Thanks for the feedback guys. I'm definitely planning on using the ramp regularly (at least for the dirtbikes), so I'm going to go with a good quality ramp. These are the ones I'm currently looking at are: http://www.motorcycleramps.com/folding_bike_ramp.htm (Model MF-10014) http://www.discountramps.com/single_runner_ramps.htm (Model #65SP or #69) http://www.motorcycleramps.com/folding_ramp.htm http://www.joehauler.com/readyramp/readyramp.shtml (#33-0020) http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=6970&productId=542&R=542 The last one was recommended by a list member. Any feedback on any of the others would be welcomed as well. Thanks, Dave > If you're going to be loading on a regular basis, spend the money for a > decent aluminum arced or curved ladder ramp. The ease of use will pay > off in the long run. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 3 10:14:29 2005 From: "Jay Goddard" To: Subject: Motorcycle friendly trailer and/or Honda XR-250R Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 10:14:05 -0500 My buddy David needs to make some room, so he has a few things for sale. motorcycle friendly trailer and/or Honda XR-250R 1986 Honda XR-250R. It needs nothing, except to be ridden more. Mechanically strong and runs great (8 out of 10) Cosmetically it is a little rough, but you will not be afraid of hurting it. (6 out of 10) Since I got it I have: Fully rebuilt the front caliper Put on new pads/shoes front and rear Done a recent valve adjustment Installed a replacement shock Rebuilt both front fork legs (new oil and seals). Greased all bearings (head and suspension, etc) Completed a full carb rebuild. It comes with: Super trap exhaust Original tired shock (that may have more robust spring) Factory service manual Decent tires, chain and sprockets Aftermarket small back seat bag Pictures available by email Asking $1250 ********************** Heavy-Duty Utility Trailer For Sale (Motorcycle Friendly) 6'x8' deck with new 2"x10" pressure treated boards. All new stainless steel deck hardware. 6 large eyebolt tie-down points. 3 unmounted steel wheel chocks (you can decide what layout suits you best) Frame was recently cleaned and repainted. All new lights, wire and standard 4 wire harness/connector. Trailer tires on 12" rims (like new, still have nubbies on them). Sturdy suspension, (you'll never overload it). Could easily be setup for 2 street bikes or 3 dirt bikes. Clear Title, ready to transfer. Located in Friendship Heights, Washington DC, local delivery available. pictures at www.motorcycleleatherexchange.com/trailer.html Asking $650 I will deliver (50 miles from DC) the trailer with the XR on it for $1700 Contact David: 202.244.0376 bgsbnyzx11@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 3 12:37:34 2005 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=BrcW8Ix2cG5l94ucJfCINVPo/HImafRqmwUcF9hUWD62sM9uO6YUf84qwFtK6xC0tMAWrJDjoZaO8RWGfQVMSvrQVsaZpQipccoXOBr6ooFsQg/goKT7SV1F3IL1Mc2wdRtYuszJazM3ziHNewRXTl/NOnoRYCNrvA9R16JdXUk= Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 12:37:24 -0500 From: Aaron Maurer To: DC-Cycles Subject: Vento throttle cable A friend in DC with a Vento scooter needs some help to replace a throttle cable, and he's willing to pay for the help. Does anyone have any recommendations? Are you interested Garcia? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 3 20:41:05 2005 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 20:40:50 EST Subject: Re: Vento throttle cable To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 1/3/2005 12:37:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, amaurer@XXXXXX writes: > A friend in DC with a Vento scooter needs some help to replace a > throttle cable, Cables can be made in a shop (used to make em all the time. wish I had the gear to make one for him.) Try an old shop, or at least a mom and pop, non dealer repair shop and see if they can make cables. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 3 21:22:00 2005 Subject: RE: Vento throttle cable Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 21:21:55 -0500 From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" To: A bicycle shop can probably fab the cable as well if he can take the old one in to them (reasonably cheaply if I recall correctly). I've had numerous custom cables created for my mountain bikes (and one for a Seca II). --smthng http://spaces.msn.com/members/smthng From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 4 09:45:53 2005 Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 09:45:07 -0500 To: (Recipient list suppressed) From: Troutman Subject: DC Bike Show 1-14 - 16 http://wdc.motorcycleshows.com/imswdc/V41/index.cvn?id=10366&p_navID=129 The Cycle World bike show is back in town. Anyone interested in meeting downtown on the 15th for lunch and the show? We had a small assembly last year at the Hooters across the street from the convention center. Lines were LONG for tickets last year. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 4 10:29:05 2005 Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 10:29:02 -0500 To: "dc Cycles" From: Troutman Subject: someone is using a spam filter Whoever is using the 0spam service, don't subscribe to mailing lists with these services. They send a message to the sender asking us to verify the message. If everyone used it, I would have to verify a couple of hundred times. Same with vacation messages - unsub or filter. DC Cycles messages arrive with the From line as the sender instead of the list. Moto content : the CW show is pretty good, but I enjoyed the Chantilly show much more. Mainly because we could do vendor rides there, but they don't do it in DC. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org Death is certain. Life is not. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 4 17:22:59 2005 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 17:22:41 EST Subject: On the subject of ramps...... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Has anyone ever tried or heard of people using this before? _http://www.motorcycleramps.com/motorcycle_caddy.htm_ (http://www.motorcycleramps.com/motorcycle_caddy.htm) Just curious as my traveling home to PA on the bike is now limited due to new dog ownership and I don't think a sidecar would look good on the R6. Scooter From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 4 18:19:27 2005 Subject: Re: On the subject of ramps...... From: lister lynch To: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 18:20:07 -0500 I had never heard of it, but had the idea that I needed something like that. Made one myself. That was spring 1999. http://mplynch.com/xcountry/Intro_files/The_Magic_Bus.jpg That thing followed me 13,000 miles around the country. All you have to do is get good at popping the master link, and you are off and running in 5 minutes. Think I made it for about 15 bucks out of scrap from bins at Potomac Steel. Still have it in the back of the garage. Mike On Tue, 2005-01-04 at 17:22, ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > Has anyone ever tried or heard of people using this before? > > _http://www.motorcycleramps.com/motorcycle_caddy.htm_ > (http://www.motorcycleramps.com/motorcycle_caddy.htm) > > Just curious as my traveling home to PA on the bike is now limited due to > new dog ownership and I don't think a sidecar would look good on the R6. > > Scooter > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 4 20:54:28 2005 X-SpaceNet-Authentification: SMTP AUTH verified Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 20:54:18 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Chubb Subject: Re: On the subject of ramps...... Cc: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX X-Spam-Level: At 07:00 PM 1/4/2005, you wrote: >From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX > >Has anyone ever tried or heard of people using this before? > >_http://www.motorcycleramps.com/motorcycle_caddy.htm_ I have something that is 75% the same as that, just no crank to lift the front wheel. So, you have to have two people to lift the front wheel. You can have it for free if you want to come to my house in Falls Church and pick it up. I got it free with another bike and it has been gathering dust for about 5 years. It weighs about 30 lbs, it is one solid unit. I was keeping it in case I needed the bolts or steel for a project, but never got around to needing it. Anybody want it? Chris From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 4 21:32:08 2005 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 21:31:59 EST Subject: Re: On the subject of ramps...... To: cchubb@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Thanks for the offer but, you'd need to throw in a second person with it to help lift. :-) Scooter In a message dated 1/4/2005 8:54:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, cchubb@XXXXXX writes: At 07:00 PM 1/4/2005, you wrote: >From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX > >Has anyone ever tried or heard of people using this before? > >_http://www.motorcycleramps.com/motorcycle_caddy.htm_ I have something that is 75% the same as that, just no crank to lift the front wheel. So, you have to have two people to lift the front wheel. You can have it for free if you want to come to my house in Falls Church and pick it up. I got it free with another bike and it has been gathering dust for about 5 years. It weighs about 30 lbs, it is one solid unit. I was keeping it in case I needed the bolts or steel for a project, but never got around to needing it. Anybody want it? Chris From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 4 21:43:04 2005 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=nNwbzb0OMST77QDbdXeLLBwXTlN5mD2hd9zr3V+eR2f4REmriXgN4BxXyOQLe5sRpcNFfbz5Hj59g+e8yvf8ROqJEeoTpx+CKZ/bf8QT+7kuFIAbnYa9E7dE4pxfOp2HP6jbHCfYFfgALlIKnQluvqd3c5oszA+o26AFeNogOYQ= ; Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 18:42:46 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: On the subject of ramps...... To: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX, cchubb@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Scooter, Perhaps you didn't read your own subject line. It should be rather easy to build a small ramp for something like that. Just because this sounds like a fun challenge, if you get the free carrier, you're welcome to come to my place and I'll provide the material and tools and help you build a ramp so you can ride that R6 right up into the carrier. Then all you'd need to do is throw the little ramp in the trunk (or even better, fold up the little ramp before throwing it in the trunk) and go on your trip. Leon --- ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > Thanks for the offer but, you'd need to throw in a > second person with it to > help lift. :-) > > Scooter > > In a message dated 1/4/2005 8:54:46 PM Eastern > Standard Time, > cchubb@XXXXXX writes: > At 07:00 PM 1/4/2005, you wrote: > > >From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX > > > >Has anyone ever tried or heard of people using > this before? > > > >_http://www.motorcycleramps.com/motorcycle_caddy.htm_ > > I have something that is 75% the same as that, just > no crank to lift the > front wheel. So, you have to have two people to > lift the front wheel. You > can have it for free if you want to come to my > house in Falls Church and > pick it up. I got it free with another bike and it > has been gathering dust > for about 5 years. It weighs about 30 lbs, it is > one solid unit. I was > keeping it in case I needed the bolts or steel for > a project, but never got > around to needing it. > > Anybody want it? > > Chris > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 4 23:29:59 2005 X-Superb-Authentication: SMTP AUTH verified Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 23:29:49 -0500 To: Leon Begeman , ScooterFZR@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Chubb Subject: Re: On the subject of ramps...... X-Spam-Level: Yeah, I had thought of doing the same thing to make it easier to get the front wheel up into the holder. I don't have a second strong back either. 3 or 4 feet of wood or metal with a suitable bracket would do the trick. I thought about doing it with some C channel I had laying around, but then I used it to make an engine stand and never got around to fitting it to the front wheel holder. One note: I hear that it is best to have this thing as close to the ground as feasible. So, if you have a big Ram truck with the hitch receiver 2 feet from the ground it wont work as well as something lower. The offer still stands. Chris At 09:42 PM 1/4/2005, Leon Begeman wrote: >Scooter, >Perhaps you didn't read your own subject line. It >should be rather easy to build a small ramp for >something like that. Just because this sounds like a >fun challenge, if you get the free carrier, you're >welcome to come to my place and I'll provide the >material and tools and help you build a ramp so you >can ride that R6 right up into the carrier. Then all >you'd need to do is throw the little ramp in the trunk >(or even better, fold up the little ramp before >throwing it in the trunk) and go on your trip. > >Leon >--- ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > > > Thanks for the offer but, you'd need to throw in a > > second person with it to > > help lift. :-) > > > > Scooter > > > > In a message dated 1/4/2005 8:54:46 PM Eastern > > Standard Time, > > cchubb@XXXXXX writes: > > At 07:00 PM 1/4/2005, you wrote: > > > > >From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX > > > > > >Has anyone ever tried or heard of people using > > this before? > > > > > > >_http://www.motorcycleramps.com/motorcycle_caddy.htm_ > > > > I have something that is 75% the same as that, just > > no crank to lift the > > front wheel. So, you have to have two people to > > lift the front wheel. You > > can have it for free if you want to come to my > > house in Falls Church and > > pick it up. I got it free with another bike and it > > has been gathering dust > > for about 5 years. It weighs about 30 lbs, it is > > one solid unit. I was > > keeping it in case I needed the bolts or steel for > > a project, but never got > > around to needing it. > > > > Anybody want it? > > > > Chris > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 5 07:35:44 2005 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=JR0//aiO9Y5WWqhdjItmlJ2ffvw3PVIlHMyBUXI79GATD2/MxqXabUtQiKtmGY2S217o6dvamxF3X0sesf3ugmO+sb+gwzfn0xXYvd2UMDYEhg3Co/LRkDJQ4Tn9x6Zk6joeb4KjJeA9EIaqyx9AeHJYQrkilapF+ZShKml+Xzg= ; Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 04:35:40 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: On the subject of ramps...... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Scooter, personally I wouldn't use one of these. With the rear wheel on the ground you will get flat-spotted rear tire and wear and tear on your drive train (chain and sprockets). Why not spring for a small folding trailer or just rent when you need it? Glenn --- ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > Has anyone ever tried or heard of people using this > before? > > _http://www.motorcycleramps.com/motorcycle_caddy.htm_ > > (http://www.motorcycleramps.com/motorcycle_caddy.htm) > > > Just curious as my traveling home to PA on the bike > is now limited due to > new dog ownership and I don't think a sidecar would > look good on the R6. > > Scooter > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 5 10:21:32 2005 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 10:21:12 EST Subject: Re: On the subject of ramps...... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX So then, the next question would be how stable is something like this for towing the bike? I might take both of you up on the offer if I don't come up with something else. Don't give it away just yet Chris. Weekend project Leon? I was thinking about getting one of these but, need to check my hitch type and tongue weight to make sure it will hold. _http://www.motorcycleramps.com/hitch_motorcycle_carrier.htm_ (http://www.motorcycleramps.com/hitch_motorcycle_carrier.htm) Scooter In a message dated 1/4/2005 9:43:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, mriderleon@XXXXXX writes: Scooter, Perhaps you didn't read your own subject line. It should be rather easy to build a small ramp for something like that. Just because this sounds like a fun challenge, if you get the free carrier, you're welcome to come to my place and I'll provide the material and tools and help you build a ramp so you can ride that R6 right up into the carrier. Then all you'd need to do is throw the little ramp in the trunk (or even better, fold up the little ramp before throwing it in the trunk) and go on your trip. Leon --- ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > Thanks for the offer but, you'd need to throw in a > second person with it to > help lift. :-) > > Scooter > > In a message dated 1/4/2005 8:54:46 PM Eastern > Standard Time, > cchubb@XXXXXX writes: > At 07:00 PM 1/4/2005, you wrote: > > >From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX > > > >Has anyone ever tried or heard of people using > this before? > > > >_http://www.motorcycleramps.com/motorcycle_caddy.htm_ > > I have something that is 75% the same as that, just > no crank to lift the > front wheel. So, you have to have two people to > lift the front wheel. You > can have it for free if you want to come to my > house in Falls Church and > pick it up. I got it free with another bike and it > has been gathering dust > for about 5 years. It weighs about 30 lbs, it is > one solid unit. I was > keeping it in case I needed the bolts or steel for > a project, but never got > around to needing it. > > Anybody want it? > > Chris From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 5 10:29:50 2005 Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 10:49:26 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: On the subject of ramps...... On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > _http://www.motorcycleramps.com/hitch_motorcycle_carrier.htm_ > (http://www.motorcycleramps.com/hitch_motorcycle_carrier.htm) I posted something like that on the 'Busa board. www.mototote.com was the URL of the one I found online. A handful of guy with 'Busas had hauled using that type of carrier, without any trouble. One of them back and forth across the country. -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 5 10:34:22 2005 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 10:34:09 EST Subject: Re: On the subject of ramps...... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX No place really to store even a small folding trailer. Apartment living and an underground parking garage can do that to you. :-) Even though we have assigned parking spaces, with the Blazer I don't have much room to put anything at the front of the space without the ass end hanging out. The bike is in a bike spot so, no space there either. I figured if I got one of these I could just throw it in the back of the Blazer when not in use. ;-) Renting would be ok but, I'm pretty sure I'm not wired for all the little extras required for a trailer. Plus, I've heard that a different places have stopped renting bike trailers. I was thinking about one of these but, need to check my hitch type and tongue weight before getting one. _http://www.motorcycleramps.com/hitch_motorcycle_carrier.htm_ (http://www.motorcycleramps.com/hitch_motorcycle_carrier.htm) Scooter In a message dated 1/5/2005 7:35:47 AM Eastern Standard Time, glenn_dysart@XXXXXX writes: Scooter, personally I wouldn't use one of these. With the rear wheel on the ground you will get flat-spotted rear tire and wear and tear on your drive train (chain and sprockets). Why not spring for a small folding trailer or just rent when you need it? Glenn From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 5 10:34:30 2005 Subject: Interesting clip Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 10:34:28 -0500 From: "Julian Halton" To: http://www.linesthemovie.com/video/LINES_EP2_Trailer.wmv From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 5 10:38:41 2005 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 10:38:17 EST Subject: Re: On the subject of ramps...... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX The Moto Tote one is also listed on this site for $100 cheaper. Definitely have to do some investigating since a Busa is heavier than my R6. Scooter In a message dated 1/5/2005 10:30:29 AM Eastern Standard Time, wayne@XXXXXX writes: > _http://www.motorcycleramps.com/hitch_motorcycle_carrier.htm_ > (http://www.motorcycleramps.com/hitch_motorcycle_carrier.htm) I posted something like that on the 'Busa board. www.mototote.com was the URL of the one I found online. A handful of guy with 'Busas had hauled using that type of carrier, without any trouble. One of them back and forth across the country. -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 5 10:42:10 2005 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=W9XokPl9WxcJA31zir+1qAj96RkZ9yA5lmEKjffmx18ML9zx18IFkYABAeNOwd7wD9mN0z0+wiIOdFHj+9Lrr6taC2+Uxx5X9YNdiOQdwzz+GC1LNs6hDIbRQupnAOajP754lR1QY9XHVQXTAYTC9qO+B5UmPcxZIuGqKdVKk7Y= ; Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 07:41:52 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: On the subject of ramps...... To: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX If you've got a class 3 hitch you can go up to 500 lbs. How big is the opening for your hitch insert? You'll need the 2" opening. The smaller 1" openings are class 1 and 2 and have a smaller tongue weight. Glenn --- ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > > I was thinking about one of these but, need to check > my hitch type and > tongue weight before getting one. > _http://www.motorcycleramps.com/hitch_motorcycle_carrier.htm_ > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 5 10:47:52 2005 Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 11:07:28 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: On the subject of ramps...... On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > The Moto Tote one is also listed on this site for $100 cheaper. Definitely > have to do some investigating since a Busa is heavier than my R6. Depending on aftermarket goodies, 525-550lbs. http://www.hayabusa.org/iB_html/uploads/post-6-20010-4_20_001.JPG http://www.hayabusa.org/iB_html/uploads/post-6-20349-4_20_002.JPG http://www.hayabusa.org/iB_html/uploads/post-6-20626-4_20_003.JPG http://www.hayabusa.org/iB_html/uploads/post-6-49275-4_20_005.jpg And another, similar product... http://www.joehauler.com/graphics/products/camloc/rightbigpict.jpg And finally, if all else fails, get a beater convertible... http://www.hodgetransport.com/images/strappedbike.jpg :-) -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 5 11:07:03 2005 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=e9SR/7Iqaw028rF9F6YU9cagsBUpOCvPQM/f0bSUpn2c+I3DkSr64JcetVe/FAX+oe1E530d/h47A/H4LOsfQNjx1EColK/bmiMcpJqoxH28Xl4ouO4T2MyqCJbPPsTLcSSUeELqKij+EQmyuFjnMtw+D9T4nVrucMAHBMPkJM0= Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 11:06:56 -0500 From: Robert To: Julian Halton Subject: Re: Interesting clip Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Excellent road, brings back memories of coming around some of those curves to find cars on my side of the yellow lines... ;-) Gorgeous scenery, too, we pulled off several times just to look around and take pictures. Robert Verde On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 10:34:28 -0500, Julian Halton wrote: > > > http://www.linesthemovie.com/video/LINES_EP2_Trailer.wmv > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 5 11:11:36 2005 Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 11:07:32 -0500 To: Glenn Dysart , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: On the subject of ramps...... At 04:35 AM 1/5/05 -0800, Glenn Dysart wrote: >Scooter, personally I wouldn't use one of these. With >the rear wheel on the ground you will get flat-spotted >rear tire and wear and tear on your drive train (chain >and sprockets). Why not spring for a small folding >trailer or just rent when you need it? I'd also be concerned about wear and tear on the steering head. The bearings there are designed to support and control the forks, not tow the bike. For a light bike and short trips it might be ok, but I don't think I'd want to tow my bike that way. If your bike is big enough, the "hitch weight" may be an issue too...though I doubt an R6 would be a problem except for a Class 1 hitch. The "Trailer in a bag" would be preferable IMO: http://www.trailerinabag.com/ -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 5 12:49:24 2005 From: To: "Mike B." , Glenn Dysart , Subject: Re: Re: On the subject of ramps...... Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 12:49:16 -0500 I thought the trailer in a bag was a cool idea until I found out how much they cost. -aki > > From: "Mike B." > Date: 2005/01/05 Wed AM 11:07:32 EST > To: Glenn Dysart , dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: On the subject of ramps...... > > At 04:35 AM 1/5/05 -0800, Glenn Dysart wrote: > >Scooter, personally I wouldn't use one of these. With > >the rear wheel on the ground you will get flat-spotted > >rear tire and wear and tear on your drive train (chain > >and sprockets). Why not spring for a small folding > >trailer or just rent when you need it? > > I'd also be concerned about wear and tear on the steering head. The > bearings there are designed to support and control the forks, not tow the > bike. For a light bike and short trips it might be ok, but I don't think > I'd want to tow my bike that way. If your bike is big enough, the "hitch > weight" may be an issue too...though I doubt an R6 would be a problem > except for a Class 1 hitch. > > The "Trailer in a bag" would be preferable IMO: > > http://www.trailerinabag.com/ > > > > -- > -- Mike B. > > '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) > > Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes > is better. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 5 13:06:17 2005 From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: On the subject of ramps...... Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 13:05:30 -0500 How much are they, Aki? I couldn't find a price on the website. (http://www.trailerinabag.com/main.html) Perry >From: >To: "Mike B." , Glenn Dysart , > >Subject: Re: Re: On the subject of ramps...... >Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 12:49:16 -0500 > >I thought the trailer in a bag was a cool idea until >I found out how much they cost. > >-aki > > > > > From: "Mike B." > > Date: 2005/01/05 Wed AM 11:07:32 EST > > To: Glenn Dysart , dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Re: On the subject of ramps...... > > > > At 04:35 AM 1/5/05 -0800, Glenn Dysart wrote: > > >Scooter, personally I wouldn't use one of these. With > > >the rear wheel on the ground you will get flat-spotted > > >rear tire and wear and tear on your drive train (chain > > >and sprockets). Why not spring for a small folding > > >trailer or just rent when you need it? > > > > I'd also be concerned about wear and tear on the steering head. The > > bearings there are designed to support and control the forks, not tow >the > > bike. For a light bike and short trips it might be ok, but I don't >think > > I'd want to tow my bike that way. If your bike is big enough, the >"hitch > > weight" may be an issue too...though I doubt an R6 would be a problem > > except for a Class 1 hitch. > > > > The "Trailer in a bag" would be preferable IMO: > > > > http://www.trailerinabag.com/ > > > > > > > > -- > > -- Mike B. > > > > '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley >folks) > > > > Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's >mistakes > > is better. > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 5 13:10:18 2005 From: To: Subject: Re: Re: On the subject of ramps...... Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 13:10:03 -0500 A cool grand. I found out when I searched other sites and finally found some places that actually had the price listed. I'll see if I can dig up a site that has the price and post the link. -aki > > From: "Perry Coleman" > Date: 2005/01/05 Wed PM 01:05:30 EST > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Re: On the subject of ramps...... > > How much are they, Aki? I couldn't find a price on the website. > (http://www.trailerinabag.com/main.html) > > Perry > > >From: > >To: "Mike B." , Glenn Dysart , > > > >Subject: Re: Re: On the subject of ramps...... > >Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 12:49:16 -0500 > > > >I thought the trailer in a bag was a cool idea until > >I found out how much they cost. > > > >-aki > > > > > > > > From: "Mike B." > > > Date: 2005/01/05 Wed AM 11:07:32 EST > > > To: Glenn Dysart , dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > > Subject: Re: On the subject of ramps...... > > > > > > At 04:35 AM 1/5/05 -0800, Glenn Dysart wrote: > > > >Scooter, personally I wouldn't use one of these. With > > > >the rear wheel on the ground you will get flat-spotted > > > >rear tire and wear and tear on your drive train (chain > > > >and sprockets). Why not spring for a small folding > > > >trailer or just rent when you need it? > > > > > > I'd also be concerned about wear and tear on the steering head. The > > > bearings there are designed to support and control the forks, not tow > >the > > > bike. For a light bike and short trips it might be ok, but I don't > >think > > > I'd want to tow my bike that way. If your bike is big enough, the > >"hitch > > > weight" may be an issue too...though I doubt an R6 would be a problem > > > except for a Class 1 hitch. > > > > > > The "Trailer in a bag" would be preferable IMO: > > > > > > http://www.trailerinabag.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > -- Mike B. > > > > > > '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley > >folks) > > > > > > Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's > >mistakes > > > is better. > > > > > > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 5 13:13:28 2005 From: To: Subject: Re: Re: On the subject of ramps...... Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 13:13:20 -0500 here's a link with pricing: http://www.towandstow.com/order.html -aki > > From: "Perry Coleman" > Date: 2005/01/05 Wed PM 01:05:30 EST > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Re: On the subject of ramps...... > > How much are they, Aki? I couldn't find a price on the website. > (http://www.trailerinabag.com/main.html) > > Perry > > >From: > >To: "Mike B." , Glenn Dysart , > > > >Subject: Re: Re: On the subject of ramps...... > >Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 12:49:16 -0500 > > > >I thought the trailer in a bag was a cool idea until > >I found out how much they cost. > > > >-aki > > > > > > > > From: "Mike B." > > > Date: 2005/01/05 Wed AM 11:07:32 EST > > > To: Glenn Dysart , dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > > Subject: Re: On the subject of ramps...... > > > > > > At 04:35 AM 1/5/05 -0800, Glenn Dysart wrote: > > > >Scooter, personally I wouldn't use one of these. With > > > >the rear wheel on the ground you will get flat-spotted > > > >rear tire and wear and tear on your drive train (chain > > > >and sprockets). Why not spring for a small folding > > > >trailer or just rent when you need it? > > > > > > I'd also be concerned about wear and tear on the steering head. The > > > bearings there are designed to support and control the forks, not tow > >the > > > bike. For a light bike and short trips it might be ok, but I don't > >think > > > I'd want to tow my bike that way. If your bike is big enough, the > >"hitch > > > weight" may be an issue too...though I doubt an R6 would be a problem > > > except for a Class 1 hitch. > > > > > > The "Trailer in a bag" would be preferable IMO: > > > > > > http://www.trailerinabag.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > -- Mike B. > > > > > > '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley > >folks) > > > > > > Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's > >mistakes > > > is better. > > > > > > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 5 13:37:19 2005 Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 13:36:39 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: Re: On the subject of ramps...... At 12:49 PM 1/5/05 -0500, adamme1@XXXXXX wrote: >I thought the trailer in a bag was a cool idea until >I found out how much they cost. Yeah, about half what a new Kendon trailer costs... ;-) Of course, given the relatively small amount of material involved, and what appears to be fairly simple construction, one does wonder why they are so pricey. I'm guessing it's the lack of competition in that particular market. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 5 13:43:34 2005 Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 13:43:31 -0500 From: stephen@XXXXXX To: adamme1@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Trailer in a bag (Was ramps) X-Sent-Via: Mitel Networks SME Server That thing doesn't have any suspension! I'd be really surprised if it survived a day of driving around DC with a Harley on it. I imagine NYC would pose the same problems. Stephen Quoting adamme1@XXXXXX: > here's a link with pricing: > > http://www.towandstow.com/order.html From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 5 15:09:54 2005 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=TNjVfZRsNieOXqZhOqA4bCEyt1RbXr+0hheP9WsBlxr3G1CG2J7dp6TFUN6PmUTekbyysIbVOttL31x1SORIWuLjItZbS58vD4uxrwjG0eD2VKZvv8SfSdMXIZmdtiRO0hTie+iSCeGiDKLjEEsl4OaDPJeldPEvCo7xSJwMsmI= Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 15:09:43 -0500 From: Robert To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Yamaha FZR400 parts? I'm looking for a fuel petcock assembly for a 1988 Yamaha FZR400. The shop it had been ordered from says that it is back-ordered from Yamaha, and they have no date for expected delivery. Anyone have any suggestions for this sort of part? I have a part number (1WG-24500-00-00) although I'm not exactly sure it's the correct one, and before I make the rounds of the online sites I've bookmarked, I thought I'd see if anyone had any suggestions for a good retailer or alternate source. Thanks for all replies! Robert Verde From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 5 15:50:11 2005 From: "Rob Keiser" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Motorcycle calendar swap anyone? Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 15:49:58 -0500 I was given a Harley wall calendar as a gift and would like to swap it for a sport bike one if anybody wants to trade, or would like to buy it. Otherwise I'll try to pawn it off at the bike show next weekend. (Yes, it's officially licensed, 16 month, 2005, still in the plastic, David Blattel, $14.99 one) DISCLAIMER: This is not intended as the start of a Harley bashing thread. I just don't care to look at pictures of them for the rest of the year. ;) Thanks. Rob '98 VFR800 (Not a Harley) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 5 17:02:47 2005 From: "Gary Foreman" To: Subject: RE: Trailer in a bag (Was ramps) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 17:03:21 -0500 I have one. It's quite sturdy. Haul my GSX-R1000 on it just fine. Yes, pricey. But in you have an HOA that won't let you have a trailer outside...it's nice to disassemble and toss in the building. Not to mention if I ever broke down, the wife could have someone toss it in the trunk of the accord, and I could get home. You can even use a class I for this one. I looked at the other options...the hitch carriers, and they looked a little weak. One guy I talked to said he bent his the first time he was out. Gary -----Original Message----- From: stephen@XXXXXX [mailto:stephen@XXXXXX] To: adamme1@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Trailer in a bag (Was ramps) That thing doesn't have any suspension! I'd be really surprised if it survived a day of driving around DC with a Harley on it. I imagine NYC would pose the same problems. Stephen Quoting adamme1@XXXXXX: > here's a link with pricing: > > http://www.towandstow.com/order.html From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 5 18:50:50 2005 Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 19:10:23 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: DMTA I hope nobody here has a pending order! http://www.discountmotorcycletire.com/ -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 5 19:26:21 2005 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=WyJf0URa+aMyxDsBuoE3uUfDX525l2C2JseWMxLB69Q+uk+bQDEfQXgOd2arbF6f1R2yeHomK+uXDlHX/wKO6fhFAUlpbCu5TqblU4oXPD187kZr6VFQOwT0gZDvSFE5oPBC9HUw0Kh8glZxnWZW0G1ZW+gfU1oPf0Xl4t1zD40= ; Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 16:26:13 -0800 (PST) From: Isaac Blanck Subject: face shield for half face helmet To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I have a half-face Shoei helmet that I'd like to buy a face shield for. However, I'd like it to be a half-face face shield, ie, one that comes down roughly to my nose, but doesn't extend beyond that (still need to get my protein on country rides). I used to own a half-face Harley helmet, and they had just such a face shield. However, the holes on the Harley face shield don't align with the snaps on my Shoei helmet. Coleman Power Sports in Falls Church doesn't have any, and had never seen anything as small as the Harley face shield. Does anyone know where I can get, or even order, one of these? jib __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 5 20:27:28 2005 Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 20:28:53 -0500 From: Laura Roach To: Robert CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Yamaha FZR400 parts? Robert wrote: >I'm looking for a fuel petcock assembly for a 1988 Yamaha FZR400. The >shop it had been ordered from says that it is back-ordered from >Yamaha, and they have no date for expected delivery. > >Anyone have any suggestions for this sort of part? I have a part >number (1WG-24500-00-00) although I'm not exactly sure it's the >correct one, and before I make the rounds of the online sites I've >bookmarked, I thought I'd see if anyone had any suggestions for a good >retailer or alternate source. > >Thanks for all replies! > >Robert Verde > > > > Robert, we have crates and crates and crates of FZR400 parts in our shop, considering we specialize in them. :) Brian can check for one for you tomorrow. Why are you looking for a new one (is it leaking???), which if that's the case, you just need the gasket. Here's our site www.speedwerks.com. Email or give Roach a call tomorrow and he'll check to see if we have one. :) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 5 21:07:14 2005 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: DMTA Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 21:06:37 -0500 I got my new helmet from them this past spring. Best price I could find, came quickly. Sorry to hear that. >From: Wayne Edelen >To: >Subject: DMTA >Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 19:10:23 -0500 (EST) > >I hope nobody here has a pending order! > >http://www.discountmotorcycletire.com/ > >-- Wayne > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 5 21:45:38 2005 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 21:45:22 EST Subject: Hauling a bike - Part two :-) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX OK all you mechanically inclined people, can someone help clear this up for me. I'm now looking at getting one of those Moto Tote carriers and it says you need a Class III or higher hitch with a tongue weight high enough to carry the weight of the bike and the carrier. Checking the Blazer, this is what I come up with. The actual hitch has a label on it that doesn't give what class it is. It simply says that if it's a weight carrying hitch, you can tow a 2000 pound trailer and the tongue weight is 200 pounds. If it is a weight distribution hitch, you can tow a 6000 pound trailer and the tongue weight is 750 pounds. Then it says that these figures may not be the actual figures for your vehicle and to check the owners manual. The manual doesn't say which type of hitch it is but, it has a chart with trailer weight limits on it for my make, model and year. However, they are based on the width of the trailer axle. For the narrowest axle width it lists a max of 4000 pounds for the trailer. For the widest width, it lists 5500 pounds for the trailer. By these figures, I am assuming that I have a Class III weight carrying hitch and that the maximum tongue weight (10 percent of the trailer weight) would be 550 pounds. If this is the case then my R6 (415 pounds with all fluids) plus the carrier (90 pounds) should be safe at 505 pounds plus the weight of the straps. Does this make sense to anyone? Am I figuring this out right? Wayne, can you ask someone on the Busa list with one of these what class hitch they have? Vehicle? Tongue weight? etc. for me. Scooter From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 5 23:41:03 2005 From: "Stephen" To: , Subject: RE: Hauling a bike - Part two :-) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 23:39:53 -0500 http://www.motorcycledaily.com/26may04_mototote.htm "After using the Mototote nearly every weekend for 2 months, I was not happy with its performance. The bolts holding the carrier together allow too much play, which causes the carrier to be unstable ... Overall, the Mototote M3 was a big disappointment." > -----Original Message----- > From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX [mailto:ScooterFZR@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 9:45 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Hauling a bike - Part two :-) > > > OK all you mechanically inclined people, can someone help clear > this up for > me. I'm now looking at getting one of those Moto Tote carriers From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 6 01:39:06 2005 From: Daniel To: stephen@XXXXXX Cc: adamme1@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Trailer in a bag (Was ramps) Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 01:38:50 -0500 X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- and i'm sure the small wheels would love the potholes too... On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 13:43:31 -0500, stephen@XXXXXX wrote: >That thing doesn't have any suspension! I'd be really surprised if it survived >a day of driving around DC with a Harley on it. I imagine NYC would pose the >same problems. > >Stephen > > >Quoting adamme1@XXXXXX: > >> here's a link with pricing: >> >> http://www.towandstow.com/order.html From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 6 01:53:51 2005 From: Daniel To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: trailers - share? Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 01:53:37 -0500 X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- Anyone on the list thought about doing a shared trailer ownership thing, like the tire changer? Seems like it might be a good idea if all share owners used it rarely or occasionally. Scooter how often would you use the trailer and what general area range is convenient for you? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 6 08:22:47 2005 From: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Moto accident on Monday Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 08:22:37 -0500 A good friend and fellow rider Brian Yun (sp?)was on a fellow rider was involved in a accident on Monday. He was sent to shock trauma with broken wrists and a broken pelvis. It happened at 650 and 108 in Ashton a driver made a turn right in front of him. I saw him on Monday night and he was in a lot of pain but otherwise in good spirits. Good thing was that the accident was captured on film by the security cameras and the cops gave the driver of the car a ticket and took a copy of the video. -----Original Message----- From: rich hall [mailto:richallmc@XXXXXX] To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: DMTA I got my new helmet from them this past spring. Best price I could find, came quickly. Sorry to hear that. >From: Wayne Edelen >To: >Subject: DMTA >Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 19:10:23 -0500 (EST) > >I hope nobody here has a pending order! > >http://www.discountmotorcycletire.com/ > >-- Wayne > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 6 09:13:14 2005 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 09:13:01 EST Subject: Re: trailers - share? To: daniel.dc@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX I was mainly looking at something to go home to PA every once in a while during the summer with the bike. I just got a dog in October and have no way of getting him and the bike up there. I was planning on taking two weeks off in August to go home but would love to have the bike up there with me. Living in an apartment doesn't allow me any room to store a trailer but, I figured a Moto Tote would be small enough to store in front of my car in the garage. For those that don't know, I live in downtown DC. Driving to pick up a trailer isn't a problem for me. Scooter In a message dated 1/6/2005 1:53:58 AM Eastern Standard Time, daniel.dc@XXXXXX writes: Anyone on the list thought about doing a shared trailer ownership thing, like the tire changer? Seems like it might be a good idea if all share owners used it rarely or occasionally. Scooter how often would you use the trailer and what general area range is convenient for you? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 6 10:12:30 2005 From: Daniel To: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Moto accident on Monday Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 10:12:09 -0500 X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- Ouch that sucks. On Thu, 6 Jan 2005 08:22:37 -0500 , "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" wrote: >A good friend and fellow rider Brian Yun (sp?)was on a fellow rider was >involved in a accident on Monday. He was sent to shock trauma with broken >wrists and a broken pelvis. It happened at 650 and 108 in Ashton a driver >made a turn right in front of him. I saw him on Monday night and he was in a >lot of pain but otherwise in good spirits. Good thing was that the accident >was captured on film by the security cameras and the cops gave the driver of >the car a ticket and took a copy of the video. > >-----Original Message----- >From: rich hall [mailto:richallmc@XXXXXX] >Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 9:07 PM >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: RE: DMTA > >I got my new helmet from them this past spring. Best price I could find, >came quickly. Sorry to hear that. > >>From: Wayne Edelen >>To: >>Subject: DMTA >>Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 19:10:23 -0500 (EST) >> >>I hope nobody here has a pending order! >> >>http://www.discountmotorcycletire.com/ >> >>-- Wayne >> From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 6 10:21:05 2005 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=ca8LAkGC1diImSqltwIl3kKbdKpxO6LAOxKJvuxDrqQ1c/SndnZ8+hQtNeOtBNqLk5qf0TVna5+Rh4tguYirUYXWvJuFZqvTHko+3Yt0DESHaaLqiptMsGSvWHOT4PByEwTRCQgCjisCLs09OjXEGVRwoRk+Geda6Nq0vDWageU= ; Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 07:21:02 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: trailers - share? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX You could always try something like this: http://home.earthlink.net/~dixon4403/lavroc_grp_03.jpg --- ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > I was mainly looking at something to go home to PA > every once in a while > during the summer with the bike. I just got a dog > in October and have no way of > getting him and the bike up there. I was planning > on taking two weeks off > in August to go home but would love to have the bike > up there with me. Living > in an apartment doesn't allow me any room to store a > trailer but, I figured > a Moto Tote would be small enough to store in front > of my car in the garage. > For those that don't know, I live in downtown DC. > Driving to pick up a > trailer isn't a problem for me. > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 6 14:52:39 2005 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 14:52:26 EST Subject: Re: trailers - share? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Hmmmmmm........R6, dog, saddle bags and tailbag. Somehow I don't think it'll work. Thanks anyway though. lol Scooter In a message dated 1/6/2005 10:21:22 AM Eastern Standard Time, glenn_dysart@XXXXXX writes: You could always try something like this: http://home.earthlink.net/~dixon4403/lavroc_grp_03.jpg --- ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > I was mainly looking at something to go home to PA > every once in a while > during the summer with the bike. I just got a dog > in October and have no way of > getting him and the bike up there. I was planning > on taking two weeks off > in August to go home but would love to have the bike > up there with me. Living > in an apartment doesn't allow me any room to store a > trailer but, I figured > a Moto Tote would be small enough to store in front > of my car in the garage. > For those that don't know, I live in downtown DC. > Driving to pick up a > trailer isn't a problem for me. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 6 17:42:05 2005 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=mgrN9BYG7PTiEY15Ppydj4F+pYvAU1By/iewv2l96U43DlnWGU0NDPt0fGJKyykxFMQ8v2UrGaJFnKEiqTNfuAuY6myg4XAJs7GVSbyLfZ10Y0TpCHPQhBRbGSoK5GP4k/H4wsNrD923LichEH0RLoOY9GoLN8b07wJuwWyd714= Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 17:42:02 -0500 From: Sean Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Harley Jokes (Funny jokes! No whining from Harley riders, please!) :) Over 95% of Harleys made are still on the road.... ....the other 5% actually made it home. now here are some other jokes about the jokes. Q. What do you call a group of Harley Owners with a collective IQ of 120? A. Sturgis ! Q. Why do Harley owners have tassels on their handlebars and clothing? A. To be able to tell if they're moving or not ! Q. How is a Harley Davidson like an old dog? A. They both like to ride in the back of utes. Q. What is the difference between a Harley Davidson and an old dog? A. The dog can get in the back of the ute by itself. Q. How is a Harley Davidson like a Porcupine? A. Both have pricks on their back. Q. How is a Harley Davidson like an old dog? A. If you leave them alone long enough, they'll both mark their territory Q. What do you get when you have 32 Harley owners in the same room? A. A full set of teeth. Q. What do you have when you put 10,000 Harley Davidsons on the bottom of the ocean? A. A good start. Q. Did you hear that Harley and the makers of Viagra are teaming up for a new officially licensed and endorsed version of the wonder pill to be available over the counter without a prescription at dealerships across the country? A. It's called Buyagra and the more you spend, the harder you get. Q. Why do harley riders never ride faster than 80mp/h? A. Any faster and they can't see where the parts fell off. Q. Why do harley riders chrome all their parts? A. It makes them easier to spot on the side of the road. Q. How do you know that the toothbrush was invented in Milwaukee? A. If it had been invented anywhere else, it would have been called the 'teeth brush' Q. What is the easiest and least expensive method of making your Harley go faster? A. Unhitch the plough! Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 6 19:32:18 2005 Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 19:32:27 -0500 To: Sean Jordan , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mike B." Subject: Comment about "Harley Jokes" (No whining from Sport Bike riders, please!) :) At 05:42 PM 1/6/05 -0500, Sean Jordan wrote: >now here are some other jokes about the jokes. Not a bad set, but jealousy is so last week, isn't it? There's nothing really wrong with Sport bikes but I suspect they might sell better if they came in adult sizes and didn't whine almost as much as their wanna-be racer owners. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 6 22:03:13 2005 Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 22:02:42 -0500 Subject: Re: Comment about "Harley Jokes" (No whining from Sport Bike riders, please!) :) From: Randy Moran To: DC Cycles > At 05:42 PM 1/6/05 -0500, Sean Jordan wrote: > >> now here are some other jokes about the jokes. To which Mike B. replied: > Not a bad set, but jealousy is so last week, isn't it? > > There's nothing really wrong with Sport bikes but I suspect they might > sell > better if they came in adult sizes and didn't whine almost as much as > their > wanna-be racer owners. Mine doesn't whine, actually. It's a big V-twin that sounds something like your Harley would if it ran correctly. Oh. You mean it's supposed to sound like that? Wow... RPM From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 7 00:19:54 2005 Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 00:20:07 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: Comment about "Harley Jokes" (No whining from Sport Bike riders, please!) :) At 10:02 PM 1/6/05 -0500, Randy Moran wrote: >Mine doesn't whine, actually. It's a big V-twin that sounds something >like your Harley would if it ran correctly. Runs just fine. Starts up every time, and carries me and a friend with no complaints or signs of strain. Even gets over 40 mpg unless I spend a lot of time in slow traffic. How does the average sport bike cope with, say, 450 or so lbs loaded on it? >You mean it's supposed to sound like that? Yep! Apparently it's a really popular sound too, given the sales figures and number of imitators. >Wow... Yeah, a lot of people have that reaction... -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 7 00:35:45 2005 From: Daniel To: Glenn Dysart Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: trailers - share? Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 00:35:28 -0500 X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- That's pretty awsome. There's a guy in DC who used to always ride his dog on the seat/tank. The dog loved it as you would imagine. The dog would run and jump up on the bike and always want to go along. A cop siad the dog needed to wear a helmet or something to him once LOL. (maybe it was a ticket i can't remember) where can you buy a dog helmet? also he got into an accident. the dog got hurt but survived and still loves to ride! The guy got a broken leg. Both are long healed now though.. so it's still a happy story :) On Thu, 6 Jan 2005 07:21:02 -0800 (PST), Glenn Dysart wrote: >You could always try something like this: > >http://home.earthlink.net/~dixon4403/lavroc_grp_03.jpg > > >--- ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > >> I was mainly looking at something to go home to PA >> every once in a while >> during the summer with the bike. I just got a dog >> in October and have no way of >> getting him and the bike up there. I was planning >> on taking two weeks off >> in August to go home but would love to have the bike >> up there with me. Living >> in an apartment doesn't allow me any room to store a >> trailer but, I figured >> a Moto Tote would be small enough to store in front >> of my car in the garage. >> For those that don't know, I live in downtown DC. >> Driving to pick up a >> trailer isn't a problem for me. >> > > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. >http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 7 07:23:07 2005 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=yH3TZKWT/7Bf24TWIxpe2H9so9+obk1EeM7Aal2zWTcYG+i1fll9tA2s7Qu+VcvN6JYCX/1StH0sOJG+pyj5sameRkYNczkgpLR1CrroxBDoCJzMDDC5E+U4hwztjiOjqSvN2nz2hmHOgeAjnS7ueAoPMyhdYL+L4uXff4TnZvQ= ; Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 04:22:46 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: Harley Jokes (Funny jokes! No whining from Harley riders, please!) :) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX This might be the best post you've ever made... Glenn --- Sean Jordan wrote: > Over 95% of Harleys made are still on the road.... > ....the other 5% actually made it home. > > now here are some other jokes about the jokes. > > Q. What do you call a group of Harley Owners with a > collective IQ of 120? > A. Sturgis ! > > Q. Why do Harley owners have tassels on their > handlebars and clothing? > A. To be able to tell if they're moving or not ! > > Q. How is a Harley Davidson like an old dog? > A. They both like to ride in the back of utes. > > Q. What is the difference between a Harley Davidson > and an old dog? > A. The dog can get in the back of the ute by itself. > > > Q. How is a Harley Davidson like a Porcupine? > A. Both have pricks on their back. > > Q. How is a Harley Davidson like an old dog? > A. If you leave them alone long enough, they'll both > mark their territory > > Q. What do you get when you have 32 Harley owners in > the same room? > A. A full set of teeth. > > Q. What do you have when you put 10,000 Harley > Davidsons on the bottom > of the ocean? > A. A good start. > > Q. Did you hear that Harley and the makers of Viagra > are teaming up > for a new officially licensed and endorsed version > of the wonder pill > to be available over the counter without a > prescription at dealerships > across the country? > A. It's called Buyagra and the more you spend, the > harder you get. > > Q. Why do harley riders never ride faster than > 80mp/h? > A. Any faster and they can't see where the parts > fell off. > > Q. Why do harley riders chrome all their parts? > A. It makes them easier to spot on the side of the > road. > > Q. How do you know that the toothbrush was invented > in Milwaukee? > A. If it had been invented anywhere else, it would > have been called > the 'teeth brush' > > Q. What is the easiest and least expensive method of > making your > Harley go faster? > A. Unhitch the plough! > > Sean Jordan > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - What will yours do? http://my.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 7 07:40:36 2005 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=zlC/h20mW5ubuH5Mjv5wA6y7WQq/hZ5BFaFEQx4Wtrjf+38Tho30OlPX353Cep/yhWD66chwftfbM0vQNVG8LMxuseWZcBIHDIEW0wexoFrAk2sFOjRPMRhI+BGci4Rs9p6k+lUyk8oCKmFTrKxo44zH1bB6b12URD/yDg0Iw7M= ; Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 04:40:29 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: DMTA To: rich hall , dc-cycles@XXXXXX best price = no profit = partners scrambling for assets (incl. customer funds) just a guess --- rich hall wrote: > I got my new helmet from them this past spring. Best > price I could find, > came quickly. Sorry to hear that. > > >From: Wayne Edelen > >To: > >Subject: DMTA > >Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 19:10:23 -0500 (EST) > > > >I hope nobody here has a pending order! > > > >http://www.discountmotorcycletire.com/ > > > >-- Wayne > > > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - What will yours do? http://my.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 7 07:43:53 2005 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=hm/j1LxdDCP9GxJAOfM1U2wnEYy4/6vYaC99kIyGPn5pXqL+AY4M6KsrF30wJg0Mrl4KX1LG9xTOFOhTFwlDX1o280NLYNNCKVxqk8N5AXLx56hOE5oxRZHBc2GY5u3O9GDK5PCAEAN8UHV35ezbzh+7Xq+Pk7eaRjAOHqAjPWw= ; Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 04:43:45 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Harley Jokes (Funny jokes! No whining from Harley riders, please!) :) To: Glenn Dysart , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Glenn Dysart wrote: > This might be the best post you've ever made... > > Glenn i'm kinda partial to this one: -------------- I swear to God, this is the largest assembly of whiny pissants I have ever seen! First of all, to all of the stupid, subterannean Morlock wanna be lurkers who bitch about list content, SHUT THE HELL UP! You're in no position to tell people what to talk about when you fail to participate in any way, shape, or form! Piss off, deviant ass-gremlins! Do listers post for your personal enjoyment!?! 'OH! SORRY MASTER LURKER! I APOLOGIZE IF MY CONTENT IS NOT TO YOUR LIKING! MAYBE IF YOU HAD REAL DIALOG TO ENGAGE IN, YOU MIGHT NOT BE SUCH A LITTLE DICKHEAD WHEN IT CAME TO EMAIL LISTS!' And then all of the smarmy little peons with Cheese Whiz for brains who write in to bitch about it one way or the other!?? Let the lurkers exercise their stunted little brains to eke out one email and ignore them! Let them crawl back to their moron colony under the rock! I'd rather watch the whiny-ass Democrats try and piss and moan their way into a Presidential election on CNN! Let's just go grab a little Rent-A-Riot ala Jesse Jackson. Wankers. And all of you who stomp off to your rooms like petulant little children, go take your diaper off and put it on your face where it belongs....I'm tired of hearing your shit. If you any dildo-brained little shit balls have anything to say, get it out of your system. I wish the world wasn't filled with scab eating cock biters. -- Dick E. Anker, Esq. '00 Harris-framed GSXR-955 Streetfighter > --- Sean Jordan wrote: > > > Over 95% of Harleys made are still on the road.... > > ....the other 5% actually made it home. > > > > now here are some other jokes about the jokes. > > > > Q. What do you call a group of Harley Owners with a > > collective IQ of 120? > > A. Sturgis ! > > > > Q. Why do Harley owners have tassels on their > > handlebars and clothing? > > A. To be able to tell if they're moving or not ! > > > > Q. How is a Harley Davidson like an old dog? > > A. They both like to ride in the back of utes. > > > > Q. What is the difference between a Harley Davidson > > and an old dog? > > A. The dog can get in the back of the ute by itself. > > > > > > Q. How is a Harley Davidson like a Porcupine? > > A. Both have pricks on their back. > > > > Q. How is a Harley Davidson like an old dog? > > A. If you leave them alone long enough, they'll both > > mark their territory > > > > Q. What do you get when you have 32 Harley owners in > > the same room? > > A. A full set of teeth. > > > > Q. What do you have when you put 10,000 Harley > > Davidsons on the bottom > > of the ocean? > > A. A good start. > > > > Q. Did you hear that Harley and the makers of Viagra > > are teaming up > > for a new officially licensed and endorsed version > > of the wonder pill > > to be available over the counter without a > > prescription at dealerships > > across the country? > > A. It's called Buyagra and the more you spend, the > > harder you get. > > > > Q. Why do harley riders never ride faster than > > 80mp/h? > > A. Any faster and they can't see where the parts > > fell off. > > > > Q. Why do harley riders chrome all their parts? > > A. It makes them easier to spot on the side of the > > road. > > > > Q. How do you know that the toothbrush was invented > > in Milwaukee? > > A. If it had been invented anywhere else, it would > > have been called > > the 'teeth brush' > > > > Q. What is the easiest and least expensive method of > > making your > > Harley go faster? > > A. Unhitch the plough! > > > > Sean Jordan > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The all-new My Yahoo! - What will yours do? > http://my.yahoo.com > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 7 07:47:59 2005 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=qjk/PCeRqjwoUWprwsiR7UJdTitMcUjTwZdjTnvlg0EjVvDJaaxEq5TicW1FKgqutyvmeOQZQHCiu+KPUXRbHnjPqJwUU8OfPfdY8fAtKOdlG1ynzv1AYBbOYWhTBvdTuOlaQawTASi0E5+1TR+DpCcXRwubUvVB0IYxbnojqCA= ; Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 04:47:46 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Comment about "Harley Jokes" (No whining from Sport Bike riders, please!) :) To: "Mike B." , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- "Mike B." wrote: > At 10:02 PM 1/6/05 -0500, Randy Moran wrote: > > >Mine doesn't whine, actually. It's a big V-twin that > sounds something > >like your Harley would if it ran correctly. > > Runs just fine. Starts up every time, and carries me and > a friend with no > complaints or signs of strain. Even gets over 40 mpg > unless I spend a lot > of time in slow traffic. How does the average sport bike > cope with, say, > 450 or so lbs loaded on it? i don't know, my wife and i together weigh 315# and get 40mpg. can i borrow your big-boned friend and some saddlebags, chrome and tassles to experiment? > >You mean it's supposed to sound like that? > > Yep! Apparently it's a really popular sound too, given > the sales figures > and number of imitators. > > >Wow... > > Yeah, a lot of people have that reaction... > > > -- > -- Mike B. > > '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for > the non-Harley folks) > > Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from > someone else's mistakes > is better. > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 7 08:08:43 2005 From: Daniel To: Tom Gimer Cc: Glenn Dysart , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Harley Jokes (Funny jokes! No whining from Harley riders, please!) :) Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 08:08:29 -0500 X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- Rotfl hilarious! On Fri, 7 Jan 2005 04:43:45 -0800 (PST), Tom Gimer wrote: >--- Glenn Dysart wrote: > >> This might be the best post you've ever made... >> >> Glenn > >i'm kinda partial to this one: > >-------------- >I swear to God, this is the largest assembly of whiny >pissants I have >ever seen! First of all, to all of the stupid, subterannean From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 7 08:21:21 2005 From: Daniel To: Tom Gimer Cc: "Mike B." , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Comment about "Harley Jokes" (No whining from Sport Bike riders, please!) :) Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 08:20:53 -0500 X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- 40 mpg That's all fine and dandy in a vacuum tube, but let's talk real world figures here... tripple the price on the harley minimum and double your food allowance on the big boned friend... dooooooooooessn't seem too financially effecient to me. on the other hand, the look of envy you would get when people see you riding that big boned chick.. makes it all worth it.. priceless! Danny hell, handbasket, gasoline underpants On Fri, 7 Jan 2005 04:47:46 -0800 (PST), Tom Gimer wrote: >--- "Mike B." wrote: > >> At 10:02 PM 1/6/05 -0500, Randy Moran wrote: >> >> >Mine doesn't whine, actually. It's a big V-twin that >> sounds something >> >like your Harley would if it ran correctly. >> >> Runs just fine. Starts up every time, and carries me and >> a friend with no >> complaints or signs of strain. Even gets over 40 mpg >> unless I spend a lot >> of time in slow traffic. How does the average sport bike >> cope with, say, >> 450 or so lbs loaded on it? > >i don't know, my wife and i together weigh 315# and get >40mpg. > >can i borrow your big-boned friend and some saddlebags, >chrome and tassles to experiment? > > > > > >> >You mean it's supposed to sound like that? >> >> Yep! Apparently it's a really popular sound too, given >> the sales figures >> and number of imitators. >> >> >Wow... >> >> Yeah, a lot of people have that reaction... >> >> >> -- >> -- Mike B. >> >> '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for >> the non-Harley folks) >> >> Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from >> someone else's mistakes >> is better. >> >> > > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. >http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 7 08:23:44 2005 Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 08:23:39 -0500 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: Harley Jokes (Funny jokes! No whining from Harley riders, please!) :) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Gimer, Thanks for bringing one helluva ray of sunshine into an otherwise bleak day in cyberspace... and the office. Dave ---- Original message ---- >Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 04:43:45 -0800 (PST) >From: Tom Gimer >Subject: Re: Harley Jokes (Funny jokes! No whining from Harley riders, please!) :) >To: Glenn Dysart , dc-cycles@dc- cycles.org > >--- Glenn Dysart wrote: > >> This might be the best post you've ever made... >> >> Glenn > >i'm kinda partial to this one: > >-------------- >I swear to God, this is the largest assembly of whiny >pissants I have >ever seen! First of all, to all of the stupid, subterannean > >Morlock >wanna be lurkers who bitch about list content, SHUT THE >HELL UP! >You're in no position to tell people what to talk about >when you fail >to participate in any way, shape, or form! Piss off, >deviant >ass-gremlins! Do listers post for your personal >enjoyment!?! 'OH! >SORRY MASTER LURKER! I APOLOGIZE IF MY CONTENT IS NOT TO >YOUR LIKING! >MAYBE IF YOU HAD REAL DIALOG TO ENGAGE IN, YOU MIGHT NOT BE > >SUCH A >LITTLE DICKHEAD WHEN IT CAME TO EMAIL LISTS!' And then all >of the >smarmy little peons with Cheese Whiz for brains who write >in to bitch >about it one way or the other!?? Let the lurkers exercise >their >stunted little brains to eke out one email and ignore them! > >Let them >crawl back to their moron colony under the rock! I'd rather > >watch the >whiny-ass Democrats try and piss and moan their way into a >Presidential election on CNN! Let's just go grab a little >Rent-A-Riot >ala Jesse Jackson. Wankers. And all of you who stomp off to > >your >rooms like petulant little children, go take your diaper >off and put >it on your face where it belongs....I'm tired of hearing >your shit. >If you any dildo-brained little shit balls have anything to > >say, get >it out of your system. I wish the world wasn't filled with >scab >eating cock biters. > >-- >Dick E. Anker, Esq. > >'00 Harris-framed GSXR-955 Streetfighter > > > >> --- Sean Jordan wrote: >> >> > Over 95% of Harleys made are still on the road.... >> > ....the other 5% actually made it home. >> > >> > now here are some other jokes about the jokes. >> > >> > Q. What do you call a group of Harley Owners with a >> > collective IQ of 120? >> > A. Sturgis ! >> > >> > Q. Why do Harley owners have tassels on their >> > handlebars and clothing? >> > A. To be able to tell if they're moving or not ! >> > >> > Q. How is a Harley Davidson like an old dog? >> > A. They both like to ride in the back of utes. >> > >> > Q. What is the difference between a Harley Davidson >> > and an old dog? >> > A. The dog can get in the back of the ute by itself. >> > >> > >> > Q. How is a Harley Davidson like a Porcupine? >> > A. Both have pricks on their back. >> > >> > Q. How is a Harley Davidson like an old dog? >> > A. If you leave them alone long enough, they'll both >> > mark their territory >> > >> > Q. What do you get when you have 32 Harley owners in >> > the same room? >> > A. A full set of teeth. >> > >> > Q. What do you have when you put 10,000 Harley >> > Davidsons on the bottom >> > of the ocean? >> > A. A good start. >> > >> > Q. Did you hear that Harley and the makers of Viagra >> > are teaming up >> > for a new officially licensed and endorsed version >> > of the wonder pill >> > to be available over the counter without a >> > prescription at dealerships >> > across the country? >> > A. It's called Buyagra and the more you spend, the >> > harder you get. >> > >> > Q. Why do harley riders never ride faster than >> > 80mp/h? >> > A. Any faster and they can't see where the parts >> > fell off. >> > >> > Q. Why do harley riders chrome all their parts? >> > A. It makes them easier to spot on the side of the >> > road. >> > >> > Q. How do you know that the toothbrush was invented >> > in Milwaukee? >> > A. If it had been invented anywhere else, it would >> > have been called >> > the 'teeth brush' >> > >> > Q. What is the easiest and least expensive method of >> > making your >> > Harley go faster? >> > A. Unhitch the plough! >> > >> > Sean Jordan >> > >> > >> >> >> >> >> __________________________________ >> Do you Yahoo!? >> The all-new My Yahoo! - What will yours do? >> http://my.yahoo.com >> >> > > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. >http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 7 08:26:05 2005 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=ZI60Gx0GPXnZLFWfwMycLDAuPg9lifzEtJov4rIdkxBEb5ZElgzb8GjTjP1QzEsZ6lnO57g9CCPMShXGHLF9sZchO+ViWLQ+Hwod2RKogVgINHVO4d0yCsNSQ1tAf1aML5HHwu+kN1ObrvJ2IB/IVj+m9dx/iAmtWT2/1VLl9ss= ; Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 05:26:02 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: Comment about "Harley Jokes" (No whining from Sport Bike riders, please!) :) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX LMAO... --- Tom Gimer wrote: > can i borrow your big-boned friend and some > saddlebags, > chrome and tassles to experiment? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 7 08:27:11 2005 Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 08:27:05 -0500 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: Comment about "Harley Jokes" (No whining from Sport Bike riders, please!) :) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >on the other hand, the look of envy you would get when people >see you riding that big boned chick.. makes it all worth it.. >priceless! [Dave] I don't believe anyone on the list has yet identified that (I think it was Gimer who 1st brought it up) it was indeed a 'chick'... It may well BE a chick, but in the interest of accuracy, should we not verify ? Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 7 08:45:21 2005 From: Daniel To: Dave Yates Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Harley Jokes (Funny jokes! No whining from Harley riders, please!) :) Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 08:45:04 -0500 X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- I know, I'd thank everyone who posted, the original posts and ever retort are pretty hilarious.. brightened my whole day.. On Fri, 7 Jan 2005 08:23:39 -0500, Dave Yates wrote: >Gimer, > > Thanks for bringing one helluva ray of sunshine into an >otherwise bleak day in cyberspace... and the office. > >Dave > >---- Original message ---- >>Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 04:43:45 -0800 (PST) >>From: Tom Gimer >>Subject: Re: Harley Jokes (Funny jokes! No whining from >Harley riders, please!) :) >>To: Glenn Dysart , dc-cycles@dc- >cycles.org >> >>--- Glenn Dysart wrote: >> >>> This might be the best post you've ever made... >>> >>> Glenn >> >>i'm kinda partial to this one: >> >>-------------- >>I swear to God, this is the largest assembly of whiny >>pissants I have >>ever seen! First of all, to all of the stupid, subterannean >> >>Morlock >>wanna be lurkers who bitch about list content, SHUT THE >>HELL UP! >>You're in no position to tell people what to talk about >>when you fail >>to participate in any way, shape, or form! Piss off, >>deviant >>ass-gremlins! Do listers post for your personal >>enjoyment!?! 'OH! >>SORRY MASTER LURKER! I APOLOGIZE IF MY CONTENT IS NOT TO >>YOUR LIKING! >>MAYBE IF YOU HAD REAL DIALOG TO ENGAGE IN, YOU MIGHT NOT BE >> >>SUCH A >>LITTLE DICKHEAD WHEN IT CAME TO EMAIL LISTS!' And then all >>of the >>smarmy little peons with Cheese Whiz for brains who write >>in to bitch >>about it one way or the other!?? Let the lurkers exercise >>their >>stunted little brains to eke out one email and ignore them! >> >>Let them >>crawl back to their moron colony under the rock! I'd rather >> >>watch the >>whiny-ass Democrats try and piss and moan their way into a >>Presidential election on CNN! Let's just go grab a little >>Rent-A-Riot >>ala Jesse Jackson. Wankers. And all of you who stomp off to >> >>your >>rooms like petulant little children, go take your diaper >>off and put >>it on your face where it belongs....I'm tired of hearing >>your shit. >>If you any dildo-brained little shit balls have anything to >> >>say, get >>it out of your system. I wish the world wasn't filled with >>scab >>eating cock biters. >> >>-- >>Dick E. Anker, Esq. >> >>'00 Harris-framed GSXR-955 Streetfighter >> >> >> >>> --- Sean Jordan wrote: >>> >>> > Over 95% of Harleys made are still on the road.... >>> > ....the other 5% actually made it home. >>> > >>> > now here are some other jokes about the jokes. >>> > >>> > Q. What do you call a group of Harley Owners with a >>> > collective IQ of 120? >>> > A. Sturgis ! >>> > >>> > Q. Why do Harley owners have tassels on their >>> > handlebars and clothing? >>> > A. To be able to tell if they're moving or not ! >>> > >>> > Q. How is a Harley Davidson like an old dog? >>> > A. They both like to ride in the back of utes. >>> > >>> > Q. What is the difference between a Harley Davidson >>> > and an old dog? >>> > A. The dog can get in the back of the ute by itself. >>> > >>> > >>> > Q. How is a Harley Davidson like a Porcupine? >>> > A. Both have pricks on their back. >>> > >>> > Q. How is a Harley Davidson like an old dog? >>> > A. If you leave them alone long enough, they'll both >>> > mark their territory >>> > >>> > Q. What do you get when you have 32 Harley owners in >>> > the same room? >>> > A. A full set of teeth. >>> > >>> > Q. What do you have when you put 10,000 Harley >>> > Davidsons on the bottom >>> > of the ocean? >>> > A. A good start. >>> > >>> > Q. Did you hear that Harley and the makers of Viagra >>> > are teaming up >>> > for a new officially licensed and endorsed version >>> > of the wonder pill >>> > to be available over the counter without a >>> > prescription at dealerships >>> > across the country? >>> > A. It's called Buyagra and the more you spend, the >>> > harder you get. >>> > >>> > Q. Why do harley riders never ride faster than >>> > 80mp/h? >>> > A. Any faster and they can't see where the parts >>> > fell off. >>> > >>> > Q. Why do harley riders chrome all their parts? >>> > A. It makes them easier to spot on the side of the >>> > road. >>> > >>> > Q. How do you know that the toothbrush was invented >>> > in Milwaukee? >>> > A. If it had been invented anywhere else, it would >>> > have been called >>> > the 'teeth brush' >>> > >>> > Q. What is the easiest and least expensive method of >>> > making your >>> > Harley go faster? >>> > A. Unhitch the plough! >>> > >>> > Sean Jordan >>> > >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> __________________________________ >>> Do you Yahoo!? >>> The all-new My Yahoo! - What will yours do? >>> http://my.yahoo.com >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >>__________________________________ >>Do you Yahoo!? >>Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. >>http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo >> From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 7 08:52:43 2005 From: Daniel To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Comment about "Harley Jokes" (No whining from Sport Bike riders, please!) :) Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 08:52:31 -0500 X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- Good point. kind of.. I'd rather be inacurate than actually inspect the gender status of the big boned friend. You do it! also what if it's both? would make the ride all that much sweeter! You could double the envy of potential sex partners for your passenger. Hey if your sexual preference is the same sex that defines you as homosexual, and preference for the opposite sex makes you heterosexual, but if you're a harley rider with the sexual preference for a hermaphrodite, what does that make you? On Fri, 7 Jan 2005 08:27:05 -0500, Dave Yates wrote: >>on the other hand, the look of envy you would get when people >>see you riding that big boned chick.. makes it all worth it.. >>priceless! > >[Dave] I don't believe anyone on the list has yet identified >that (I think it was Gimer who 1st brought it up) it was >indeed a 'chick'... It may well BE a chick, but in the >interest of accuracy, should we not verify ? > > >Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 7 08:57:08 2005 Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 08:57:05 -0500 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: Comment about "Harley Jokes" (No whining from Sport Bike riders, please!) :) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX if you're a harley rider with the sexual preference for a hermaphrodite, what does that make you? [Dave] Weird ? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 7 09:00:33 2005 From: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Harley Jokes (Funny jokes! No whining from Harley riders, ple ase!) :) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 09:00:19 -0500 Just tell us how you really feel! -----Original Message----- From: Tom Gimer [mailto:t_gimer@XXXXXX] To: Glenn Dysart; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Harley Jokes (Funny jokes! No whining from Harley riders, please!) :) --- Glenn Dysart wrote: > This might be the best post you've ever made... > > Glenn i'm kinda partial to this one: -------------- I swear to God, this is the largest assembly of whiny pissants I have ever seen! First of all, to all of the stupid, subterannean Morlock wanna be lurkers who bitch about list content, SHUT THE HELL UP! You're in no position to tell people what to talk about when you fail to participate in any way, shape, or form! Piss off, deviant ass-gremlins! Do listers post for your personal enjoyment!?! 'OH! SORRY MASTER LURKER! I APOLOGIZE IF MY CONTENT IS NOT TO YOUR LIKING! MAYBE IF YOU HAD REAL DIALOG TO ENGAGE IN, YOU MIGHT NOT BE SUCH A LITTLE DICKHEAD WHEN IT CAME TO EMAIL LISTS!' And then all of the smarmy little peons with Cheese Whiz for brains who write in to bitch about it one way or the other!?? Let the lurkers exercise their stunted little brains to eke out one email and ignore them! Let them crawl back to their moron colony under the rock! I'd rather watch the whiny-ass Democrats try and piss and moan their way into a Presidential election on CNN! Let's just go grab a little Rent-A-Riot ala Jesse Jackson. Wankers. And all of you who stomp off to your rooms like petulant little children, go take your diaper off and put it on your face where it belongs....I'm tired of hearing your shit. If you any dildo-brained little shit balls have anything to say, get it out of your system. I wish the world wasn't filled with scab eating cock biters. -- Dick E. Anker, Esq. '00 Harris-framed GSXR-955 Streetfighter > --- Sean Jordan wrote: > > > Over 95% of Harleys made are still on the road.... > > ....the other 5% actually made it home. > > > > now here are some other jokes about the jokes. > > > > Q. What do you call a group of Harley Owners with a > > collective IQ of 120? > > A. Sturgis ! > > > > Q. Why do Harley owners have tassels on their > > handlebars and clothing? > > A. To be able to tell if they're moving or not ! > > > > Q. How is a Harley Davidson like an old dog? > > A. They both like to ride in the back of utes. > > > > Q. What is the difference between a Harley Davidson > > and an old dog? > > A. The dog can get in the back of the ute by itself. > > > > > > Q. How is a Harley Davidson like a Porcupine? > > A. Both have pricks on their back. > > > > Q. How is a Harley Davidson like an old dog? > > A. If you leave them alone long enough, they'll both > > mark their territory > > > > Q. What do you get when you have 32 Harley owners in > > the same room? > > A. A full set of teeth. > > > > Q. What do you have when you put 10,000 Harley > > Davidsons on the bottom > > of the ocean? > > A. A good start. > > > > Q. Did you hear that Harley and the makers of Viagra > > are teaming up > > for a new officially licensed and endorsed version > > of the wonder pill > > to be available over the counter without a > > prescription at dealerships > > across the country? > > A. It's called Buyagra and the more you spend, the > > harder you get. > > > > Q. Why do harley riders never ride faster than > > 80mp/h? > > A. Any faster and they can't see where the parts > > fell off. > > > > Q. Why do harley riders chrome all their parts? > > A. It makes them easier to spot on the side of the > > road. > > > > Q. How do you know that the toothbrush was invented > > in Milwaukee? > > A. If it had been invented anywhere else, it would > > have been called > > the 'teeth brush' > > > > Q. What is the easiest and least expensive method of > > making your > > Harley go faster? > > A. Unhitch the plough! > > > > Sean Jordan > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The all-new My Yahoo! - What will yours do? > http://my.yahoo.com > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 7 09:11:03 2005 From: To: Subject: Re: Re: Comment about "Harley Jokes" (No whining from Sport Bike riders, please!) :) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 9:10:48 -0500 > > From: Daniel > Date: 2005/01/07 Fri AM 08:52:31 EST > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Comment about "Harley Jokes" (No whining from Sport Bike riders, please!) :) > > Hey if your sexual preference is the same sex that defines > you as homosexual, and preference for the opposite sex makes you > heterosexual, but if you're a harley rider with the sexual preference > for a hermaphrodite, what does that make you? > ..a closet sport bike rider. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 7 10:18:24 2005 Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 07:18:16 -0800 (PST) From: "James O'Connor" Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 01/06/05 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Well, after emailing the dc-cycles admin by mistake (thanks Harry), let me try this again...... Ok, after trying to email the list the entire day's posts......let me try this again, again ;) --------- This is my first attempt at posting here, so someone let me know if I'm doing it wrong. I will lurk no more ;). Regarding transport of a bike....I do believe UHaul still rents moto-trailers. Regardless, you can get a regular UHaul box-trailer for about $25 a day, which if you're only planning on hauling a bike a few times year - may make sense financially and for convenience sake. You can tie up the bike in a box trailer, but you'll want to check out the particular trailer you rent before pulling away, as the rails may be loose, or at the wrong height to securly strap down the bike. Regarding tongue weight - I've looked at the MotoTote type products. IMO, that is a lot of weight for anything short of a full-size truck and/or a truck with a heavy duty suspension. Putting 400-500-600lbs of tongue weight is a lot. Many large travel trailers hardly do this - and look at the vehicles that are towing them. The hitch can likely handle it (if it is a Class III or better, which if it has a 2" receiver, it likely is), but consideration for the tow vehicle's frame and suspension must be made. Seems risky to me for most vehicles. A full-size Blazer, maybe. A mid-size Blaze, I dunno if I'd do. I have not researched these to a great extent, but I do know a bit about trailers and towing (or at least think I do), so I may be off the mark. Anyway, I'll keep this one short. Hope this post works.......... - Jimmy, '03 Rex __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 7 10:30:57 2005 Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 10:25:16 -0500 To: Tom Gimer , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: Comment about "Harley Jokes" (No whining from Sport Bike riders, please!) :) At 04:47 AM 1/7/05 -0800, Tom Gimer wrote: >--- "Mike B." wrote: >> of time in slow traffic. How does the average sport bike >> cope with, say, >> 450 or so lbs loaded on it? > >i don't know, my wife and i together weigh 315# and get >40mpg. In full winter leathers I weigh close to 300 lbs all by myself. Height adds weight for a given diameter...though I could stand to loose a few pounds I'm not exactly spherical. >can i borrow your big-boned friend and some saddlebags, >chrome and tassles to experiment? I wasn't including the chrome, saddlebags or tassels in the 450 lbs load...that's part of the bike's weight (though the only tassels are on the conchos...don't have any of the stringy kind). I was just adding up riders and the gear they are wearing. As to "big boned friend", well, she is 5'10", so I guess her bones are longer than average, but I get the impression that you are assuming more chubby than is the case. I once owned a bike pretty much exactly like Carl's Honda...and it was so cramped to ride, particularly with a passenger, that I only took it for short afternoon trips. My current bike is big enough, with the control extensions I added, to carry me in fair comfort, even with an appropriately sized SO, with some room left over for some luggage. Very few other major brands can manage that (BMW is one that probably could, but I haven't seen a Jap bike that can yet...and certainly nothing that would qualify as a "sport bike"). -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 7 10:31:01 2005 Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 10:31:11 -0500 To: Dave Yates , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: Comment about "Harley Jokes" (No whining from Sport Bike riders, please!) :) At 08:27 AM 1/7/05 -0500, Dave Yates wrote: >>on the other hand, the look of envy you would get when people >>see you riding that big boned chick.. makes it all worth it.. >>priceless! > >[Dave] I don't believe anyone on the list has yet identified >that (I think it was Gimer who 1st brought it up) it was >indeed a 'chick'... It may well BE a chick, but in the >interest of accuracy, should we not verify ? Since you are so strangely curious, yes, my passengers have all been female so far, and I plan to keep it that way...so you wouldn't be interested in them. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 7 10:33:11 2005 Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 10:33:02 -0500 To: Daniel , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: Comment about "Harley Jokes" (No whining from Sport Bike riders, please!) :) At 08:52 AM 1/7/05 -0500, Daniel wrote: >heterosexual, but if you're a harley rider with the sexual preference >for a hermaphrodite, what does that make you? Your dream date? -- Mike B. -- A: Maybe because some people are too annoyed by top-posting. Q: Why do I not get an answer to my question(s)? A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 7 10:44:26 2005 Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 10:44:19 -0500 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 01/06/05 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Thanks for delurking! ---- Original message ---- >Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 07:18:16 -0800 (PST) >From: "James O'Connor" >Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 01/06/05 >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >Well, after emailing the dc-cycles admin by mistake (thanks Harry), >let me try this again...... > >Ok, after trying to email the list the entire day's posts......let me Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 7 11:21:25 2005 Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 11:21:16 -0500 From: Dave Yates Subject: Bartman: Shut the hell up To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I am not curious in the least, nor did in any way assert you were a homosexual, heterosexual, hermaphrodite fetishist, or anything else. My comments were addressed directly to Danny pointing out that there had not been a positive id, and he shouldn't jump to conclusions. Further, since you do not know me, of me, my habits, interests, disinterests, concerns, or, for that matter, anything about me, you have zero understanding or knowledge with which to back up your totally unverified assertion that I would, or would not prefer whether or not your passengers are male female or some yet undetermined freak of nature. While I have generally left you alone in your verbose posts to the list, no matter how irrelevantly argued they were. I have done so primarily in the interest of not being bothered in your postings. However, if you intend upon launching into a childish little name calling game, I suggest that you do some deep soul searching and self evaluation before you yet again make some rampantly uneducated, ignorant assertion about which you have no knowledge. Should you feel the urgent need to defend your assertion, do everyone subscribed a favor and keep if off the DCC list. Many here have made it abundantly clear that they have no desire to be collaterally involved in one of your flame fests, or picking apart of someone's postings here line by line. >>[Dave] I don't believe anyone on the list has yet identified >>that (I think it was Gimer who 1st brought it up) it was >>indeed a 'chick'... It may well BE a chick, but in the >>interest of accuracy, should we not verify ? > >Since you are so strangely curious, yes, my passengers have >all been female so far, and I plan to keep it that way...so >you wouldn't be interested in them. >-- >-- Mike B. Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 7 11:39:23 2005 From: "Rob Sharp" To: Sean Jordan , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Harley Jokes (Funny jokes! No whining from Harley riders, please!) :) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 11:44:58 -0500 4 words. You a fucking troll. On Thu, 6 Jan 2005 17:42:02 -0500, Sean Jordan wrote > Over 95% of Harleys made are still on the road.... > ....the other 5% actually made it home. > > now here are some other jokes about the jokes. > > Q. What do you call a group of Harley Owners with a collective IQ of > 120? > A. Sturgis ! > > Q. Why do Harley owners have tassels on their handlebars and > clothing? > A. To be able to tell if they're moving or not ! > > Q. How is a Harley Davidson like an old dog? > A. They both like to ride in the back of utes. > > Q. What is the difference between a Harley Davidson and an old dog? > A. The dog can get in the back of the ute by itself. > > Q. How is a Harley Davidson like a Porcupine? > A. Both have pricks on their back. > > Q. How is a Harley Davidson like an old dog? > > A. If you leave them alone long enough, they'll both mark their > territory > > Q. What do you get when you have 32 Harley owners in the same room? > A. A full set of teeth. > > Q. What do you have when you put 10,000 Harley Davidsons on the > bottom of the ocean? > A. A good start. > > Q. Did you hear that Harley and the makers of Viagra are teaming up > for a new officially licensed and endorsed version of the wonder pill > to be available over the counter without a prescription at > dealerships across the country? > A. It's called Buyagra and the more you spend, the harder you get. > > Q. Why do harley riders never ride faster than 80mp/h? > A. Any faster and they can't see where the parts fell off. > > Q. Why do harley riders chrome all their parts? > A. It makes them easier to spot on the side of the road. > > Q. How do you know that the toothbrush was invented in Milwaukee? > A. If it had been invented anywhere else, it would have been called > the 'teeth brush' > > Q. What is the easiest and least expensive method of making your > Harley go faster? > A. Unhitch the plough! > > Sean Jordan -- Rob Sharp rob@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 7 11:45:28 2005 Subject: Just curious about black sportbikes Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 11:45:24 -0500 From: "Julian Halton" To: If any of you have owned a black sportbike: Would you care to comment on how the paint scheme holds up as opposed to a more neutral color like silver? Are scratches and dents more apparent because of the contrast? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 7 11:45:35 2005 Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 11:45:29 -0500 From: Paul Wilson To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Harley Jokes (Funny jokes! No whining from Harley riders, please!) :) Golly, does the list need a collective time-out? Go to the corner, pout and suck its collective thumb? There's been no measurable snow this winter, and precious little PMS. How about everyone take a deep breath, and plan go for a ride? It's supposed to be nice Sunday. On Fri, 7 Jan 2005 11:44:58 -0500, Rob Sharp wrote: > 4 words. > > You a troll. > -- Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR - 90 KLR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 7 11:50:44 2005 Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 11:50:35 -0500 From: Robert To: Julian Halton Subject: Re: Just curious about black sportbikes Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I would think it all depends... Black as a color may hide some types of scratches, but if the scratches are deep enough and the underlying substrate is a lighter color, will certainly showcase even minor blemishes. As a personal note, though, I like the look of dark-colored bikes, especially the black/grey Hayabusa and the black Vstrom. If the coating of road-grime and dirt is thick enough, who can tell what color the bike is anyway? ;-) Robert Verde On Fri, 7 Jan 2005 11:45:24 -0500, Julian Halton wrote: > If any of you have owned a black sportbike: Would you care to comment on > how the paint scheme holds up as opposed to a more neutral color like > silver? > Are scratches and dents more apparent because of the contrast? > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 7 11:53:15 2005 From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Just curious about black sportbikes Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 11:52:14 -0500 Julian, I have owned a silverdammit Concours ('86) and now own a black Concours ('92). I have also owned several black cars and now own a silver car. I can say that when I had the silver Concours, I usually didn't notice how dirty, etc. it was until I washed it. With the black, every little imperfection shows up immediately after it has been washed. So, yes, I would say that black shows dirt, dust, etc. much more intensely than silver. Depending on the severity of the scratches, however, silver probably isn't a lot better, but some. One of the reasons I went to a silver car this time was because I was tired of having to look at a black car that was beautiful for about 10 minutes after I washed it, and then went downhill fast. My next bike will probably be silver, or a "neutral" color, for much the same reason. I still love a clean, waxed, black vehicle, though... Perry >From: "Julian Halton" >To: >Subject: Just curious about black sportbikes >Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 11:45:24 -0500 > >If any of you have owned a black sportbike: Would you care to comment on >how the paint scheme holds up as opposed to a more neutral color like >silver? >Are scratches and dents more apparent because of the contrast? > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 7 11:54:10 2005 From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Harley Jokes (Funny jokes! No whining from Harley riders, please!) :) Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 11:53:31 -0500 Seriously! If things are this bad now, imagine what February is going to be like... Perry >From: Paul Wilson >Reply-To: Paul Wilson >To: DC-Cycles >Subject: Re: Harley Jokes (Funny jokes! No whining from Harley riders, >please!) :) >Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 11:45:29 -0500 > >Golly, does the list need a collective time-out? Go to the corner, >pout and suck its collective thumb? There's been no measurable snow >this winter, and precious little PMS. > >How about everyone take a deep breath, and plan go for a ride? It's >supposed to be nice Sunday. > > >On Fri, 7 Jan 2005 11:44:58 -0500, Rob Sharp wrote: > > 4 words. > > > > You a troll. > > > > >-- >Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org >95 VFR - 90 KLR > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 7 11:56:25 2005 Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 11:56:19 -0500 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: Just curious about black sportbikes To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >If any of you have owned a black sportbike: Would you care >to comment on how the paint scheme holds up as opposed to a >more neutral color like silver? [Dave] First off, is this a white thing? ;-) I've had a black zx11 since '94, and (when I bother to clean it) it still looks very good, excepting the tank scratch it's had since I bought it. It's no harder, or easier to wash than say, a red bike, or magenta, or whatever. >Are scratches and dents more apparent because of the >contrast? [Dave] maybe a little, but if you keep the shine good, and take care not to scuff it, it will hold up for a good long time. I figure it this way, most of the nicks, scratches, etc. are 'character' marks... For example, the nick out of the front wheel fender? That's where the upper fairing hit it from a high speed stop. Mirrors? Hell, if I started caring about them, I couldn't make those occaisional 'tight squeeze' moves ;-) A bike of any color, is vastly superior to any 4 wheeler. Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 7 12:32:34 2005 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 12:32:20 EST Subject: Re: Just curious about black sportbikes To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 1/7/2005 11:46:04 AM Eastern Standard Time, julian@XXXXXX writes: > If any of you have owned a black sportbike: Would you care to comment on > how the paint scheme holds up If I ever clean mine I will let you know.... John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 7 12:43:54 2005 Subject: RE: Just curious about black sportbikes Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 12:43:45 -0500 From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" To: >If any of you have owned a black sportbike: Would you care to >comment on how the paint scheme holds up as opposed to a more >neutral color like silver? >Are scratches and dents more apparent because of the contrast? I had a black & red cruiser and it definitely showed dirt and scratches very easily and quickly (add chrome to that mix and it was a major PIA). I also had a bike that was flat black (think Ducati Monster, but this was a home-grown paint job). The flat black was great... Probably showed less dirt and scratches than anything else I've had. If I had to repaint a bike again, I'd probably go with the flat black if the bike had enough guts to back it up. Just my two cents. --smthng http://spaces.msn.com/members/smthng From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 7 13:27:23 2005 From: "Rob Sharp" To: "Perry Coleman" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Harley Jokes (Funny jokes! No whining from Harley riders, please!) :) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 13:33:22 -0500 Hopefully I will have my Cobalt SS S/C then I can harass Wayne in his Corvette. Rob On Fri, 07 Jan 2005 11:53:31 -0500, Perry Coleman wrote > Seriously! If things are this bad now, imagine what February is > going to be like... > > Perry > > >From: Paul Wilson > >Reply-To: Paul Wilson > >To: DC-Cycles > >Subject: Re: Harley Jokes (Funny jokes! No whining from Harley riders, > >please!) :) > >Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 11:45:29 -0500 > > > >Golly, does the list need a collective time-out? Go to the corner, > >pout and suck its collective thumb? There's been no measurable snow > >this winter, and precious little PMS. > > > >How about everyone take a deep breath, and plan go for a ride? It's > >supposed to be nice Sunday. > > > > > >On Fri, 7 Jan 2005 11:44:58 -0500, Rob Sharp wrote: > > > 4 words. > > > > > > You a troll. > > > > > > > > >-- > >Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org > >95 VFR - 90 KLR > > -- Rob Sharp rob@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 7 13:36:51 2005 Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 13:36:39 -0500 Subject: Re: Comment about "Harley Jokes" (No whining from Sport Bike riders, please!) :) From: Randy Moran To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX On Friday, January 7, 2005, at 12:20 AM, Mike B. wrote: > At 10:02 PM 1/6/05 -0500, Randy Moran wrote: > >> Mine doesn't whine, actually. It's a big V-twin that sounds something >> like your Harley would if it ran correctly. > > Runs just fine. Starts up every time, and carries me and a friend > with no > complaints or signs of strain. Even gets over 40 mpg unless I spend a > lot > of time in slow traffic. How does the average sport bike cope with, > say, > 450 or so lbs loaded on it? It would still waste your H-D in any competition of speed or high-speed handling. It wouldn't be as comfortable for the passenger. Most chicks I know (including my wife) know how to ride and have their own bikes, so this scenario would be unlikely to occur, thankfully. >> You mean it's supposed to sound like that? > > Yep! Apparently it's a really popular sound too, given the sales > figures > and number of imitators. Popularity is not necessarily a measure of goodness. Michael Jackson's is a popular sound as well. He's sold millions and millions of records, and given rise to a legion of imitators. But maybe you're a fan of "the King of Pop," eh, Mike? >> Wow... > > Yeah, a lot of people have that reaction... Sure, a lot of people say "wow," when they look at a Harley. I do sometimes. I said it last summer when I pulled over to check on a guy outside of Middleburg, whose bike looked to be broken down. It was. An H-D, less than 10 days new with a bad charging system. I said "wow," and left him some water while he waited for his buddy's pickup truck. I said it a few summers before, when my buddy had to pull his brand new Sportster over on 66 just in time to prevent his clutch lever assembly from coming apart as the bolts vibrated out. As an H-D rider, you probably hear "wow" quite a bit. I'm guessing it probably doesn't mean what you think it means. RPM From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 7 13:47:31 2005 Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 10:47:23 -0800 (PST) From: Carl Custer Subject: Tall Carl To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Evil Carl is away and I've been out of the country. Read this from Tall Carl on SabMag and though you'd enjoy Old Weird Carl in Bethesda Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2004 04:14:00 +0800 From: Carl Parker Subject: Happy Holidaze from China... Fellas and Fellettes... Been a while since I posted and seeing as how it's already X-Mas in China I figgured I'd say happy holidays. I often think about ya'll, the open highways and engines bigger than 150cc. Minus the personal and financial stress of this season I do appreciate the idea of taking thetime to remember the people you care about. I don't want to get mushy so I'll just give ya'll a good swift punch in the arm. Christmas is certainly celebrated differently in Chengdu. I've just been to a city wide celebration where easily over 100,000 people commandeer the streets and beat the living hell out of each other with various inflatable weapons, the most popular of which is a huge American baseball bat. This event is unique to Chengdu and full of...um...different meaning. I've seen some pretty bewildering things in my life but this has to be somewhere in the top three. I'm talking about sheer drinking and chaos; I equate it to New Years Eve at Times Square times 100 in the violence and fun factor. Anyway, to make a long story short: Fresh off the CF card... http://www.imagevent.com/comradecarl/xmasinthedu As a side note, some photos of my trip to Tibet are also on this site although for various reasons the pictures have no comments. The book(just for fun) is in the works and needs to be finished, critiqued and edited. In the meantime, I hope pictures will say something. http://www.imagevent.com/comradecarl/tibet I'll be heading back to the US to visit on the 19th of Jan. I should bein town for about 4 weeks. I may be sniffin' around some of yourall'z'z garages so maybe we can go for a nice loooong ride. Until then, I've got a toast with your names on it. Don't hog that nog'! Merry X-Mas ya'll! Much Love, HighC __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 7 13:57:05 2005 Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 13:57:21 -0500 To: Randy Moran , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: Comment about "Harley Jokes" (No whining from Sport Bike riders, please!) :) At 01:36 PM 1/7/05 -0500, Randy Moran wrote: >On Friday, January 7, 2005, at 12:20 AM, Mike B. wrote: >> of time in slow traffic. How does the average sport bike cope with, >> say, 450 or so lbs loaded on it? > >It would still waste your H-D in any competition of speed or high-speed >handling. Maybe, maybe not, but in any case, so what? My bike wasn't built for speed or high-speed handling. I have zero interest in racing, so why would I care whether my bike is good at that? My bike is designed pretty well to do what I want it to do...unlike any sportbike I've seen or heard of, which would all suck for what I want a bike for. >It wouldn't be as comfortable for the passenger. Fault number one...there are many others. What is a fault for one may be a feature for another though. >Most chicks >I know (including my wife) know how to ride and have their own bikes, >so this scenario would be unlikely to occur, thankfully. Some of the women I know have bikes and ride (and none like being referred to as "chicks" BTW). Some know how to ride, but don't have bikes. One has a bike but is still learning to ride. Some just like being passengers better some or all of the time. I'm happy to ride with them either way...and to have the option to do it either way. >>> You mean it's supposed to sound like that? >> >> Yep! Apparently it's a really popular sound too, given the sales >> figures and number of imitators. > >Popularity is not necessarily a measure of goodness. Depends what you are looking at. As a general theory though I agree with you...take Windoze for example... >from coming apart as the bolts vibrated out. As an H-D rider, you >probably hear "wow" quite a bit. Actually, I hear, "Nice bike!" a lot more often. BTW, mine hasn't had any mechanical problems so far (almost 7000 miles since I got it last year). The 57 bikes that were on our (very warm) Polar Bear Ride on the 1st finished the ride without a single breakdown. Ditto for the 80 or so that rode down to Va. Beach last June for a camping trip (though one guy did run out of gas...and has been getting kidded about it ever since). In fact, on all the group rides I've been on so far (at least one a month, more when it's nice out) there hasn't been a single mechanical breakdown by a H-D bike, and the only part that's fallen off was one guy who dropped his keys. One rider on a ride last spring did manage to shear off all the pulley bolts from his rear wheel, but that was a home-built chopper with a 124 cubic inch engine, not a H-D, and he's since been educated about Grade 8 hardware in critical high stress locations like that. Those jokes weren't bad...but they'd have been funnier back when Harleys really were like that. I think it was about the time Mr. Honda was seeing his first self-propelled vehicle... -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 7 13:57:30 2005 Subject: Just curious about black sportbikes Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 13:57:28 -0500 From: "Julian Halton" To: "Perry Coleman" , Specifically I was wondering about: http://www.yamaha-motor.com/products/unitinfo/2/mcy/5/8/0/yamaha_yzf-r6. aspx This is one of the most beautiful things I have ever seen. While I ride my bike in every kind of weather except for ice and excessive cold\salt..I do like to keep it well maintained. I am wondering if $100.00 extra for the black color is worth it. If it is going to look like shite after every ride, maybe I am better off with another color. The reason I am posting this on the board is because of everyone's experience. Thanks for the replies thus far....and oh what a beautiful day it is. Just took a two hour lunch by mistake..forgot to bring watch and have yet to eat :) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 7 14:01:13 2005 Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 14:00:25 -0500 To: Carl Custer , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: Tall Carl At 10:47 AM 1/7/05 -0800, Carl Custer wrote: >Evil Carl is away and I've been out of the country. Actually, Evil Carl is gone. He un-sub'd a couple of months ago. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 7 14:03:25 2005 Subject: RE: Just curious about black sportbikes Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 14:03:20 -0500 From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" To: >This is one of the most beautiful things I have ever seen. >While I ride my bike in every kind of weather except for ice >and excessive cold\salt..I do like to keep it well maintained. Link no good here... Is that the R6 with the black paint and the red flame job on it? That is a sweet setup. :) --smthng http://spaces.msn.com/members/smthng From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 7 14:05:57 2005 Subject: RE: Just curious about black sportbikes Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 14:05:54 -0500 From: "Julian Halton" To: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" , No, no this is all black. The link is no good for you because you wisely have activeX controls disabled. I now use Firefox as my internet browser of choice and am much happier and bug free. -----Original Message----- From: Jonathan W. Kalmes [mailto:jkalmes@XXXXXX] To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Just curious about black sportbikes >This is one of the most beautiful things I have ever seen. >While I ride my bike in every kind of weather except for ice and >excessive cold\salt..I do like to keep it well maintained. Link no good here... Is that the R6 with the black paint and the red flame job on it? That is a sweet setup. :) --smthng http://spaces.msn.com/members/smthng From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 7 14:11:24 2005 Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 11:11:12 -0800 (PST) From: Carl Custer Subject: Re: Tall Carl To: "Mike B." , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- "Mike B." wrote: > Actually, Evil Carl is gone. He un-sub'd a couple > of months ago. Then Bwahahaha, I -- am -- The - - - Carl. Ah well hell, Happy week end. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 7 14:33:30 2005 Subject: RE: Just curious about black sportbikes Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 14:33:25 -0500 From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" To: >No, no this is all black. The link is no good for you >because you wisely have activeX controls disabled. I now use >Firefox as my internet browser of choice and am much happier >and bug free. Oh... You must be referring to the Raven scheme they came out with for the 2005s. This one, right?: http://www.yamaha-motor.com/products/mcy/media/wallpaper/wallpaper_mcy_0 5_R1_5_1024.jpg Schweetness! Half flat, half gloss. I'd be all over that if I could get another bike past the wife. I'd recommend jumping on that if you can and don't worry about the paint. The parts that normally get wear and tear are flat, with a couple of minor exceptions. I'd put a tank cover or some tank slapper stickers on the tank to stop "knee scuffs", and maybe some clear tape on the bottom belly pan if you're really trying to keep it nice. BTW... I'm Firefox'd as well. Outlook just dropped the "aspx" portion of your link due to word-wrap. My bad. --smthng http://spaces.msn.com/members/smthng From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 7 14:43:23 2005 Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 15:03:10 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: Just curious about black sportbikes On Fri, 7 Jan 2005, Julian Halton wrote: > If any of you have owned a black sportbike: Would you care to comment on > how the paint scheme holds up as opposed to a more neutral color like > silver? > Are scratches and dents more apparent because of the contrast? Just like a dark colored car, it will show imperfections more than a lighter color. My 'Busa is dark in color, a few years old and still looks nearly showroom. http://www.blueblackbusa.org/092304//DSC02869.JPG http://www.blueblackbusa.org/092304//DSC02870.JPG http://www.blueblackbusa.org/092304//DSC02873.JPG I don't wash the bike much, but it stays inside and when I do wash it, I dry it with compressed air. I think that helps keep the finish in good shape. I don't rack up miles like a lot of people on here. I log 5-7k each year. -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 7 14:45:32 2005 Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 15:05:18 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: Harley Jokes (Funny jokes! No whining from Harley riders, please!) :) On Fri, 7 Jan 2005, Rob Sharp wrote: > Hopefully I will have my Cobalt SS S/C then I can harass Wayne in his Corvette. > > Rob You've been watching too much TV, Rob. :-) -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 7 14:59:47 2005 Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 11:59:36 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Comment about "Harley Jokes" (No whining from Sport Bike riders, please!) :) To: "Mike B." , Daniel , DC Cycles mike: that wasn't my response..... wipe the shit out of yer eyes! --- "Mike B." wrote: > At 08:20 AM 1/7/05 -0500, Daniel wrote: > >40 mpg > >That's all fine and dandy in a vacuum tube, > >but let's talk real world figures here... > > > >tripple the price on the harley minimum > >and double your food allowance on the big boned > friend... > >dooooooooooessn't seem too financially effecient to me. > > Is that the sort of "new math" you use when calculating > "billable hours"? > > You don't know much about tall women, do you? Despite > the Napoleon Complex > that probably makes you go after them anyway? > > > -- > -- Mike B. > > '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for > the non-Harley folks) > > Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from > someone else's mistakes > is better. > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? All your favorites on one personal page )B– Try My Yahoo! http://my.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 7 15:06:10 2005 Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 15:06:00 -0500 From: Michael Jordan To: "Mike B." Subject: Re: Comment about "Harley Jokes" (No whining from Sport Bike riders, please!) :) Cc: Randy Moran , dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Those jokes weren't bad...but they'd have been funnier back when Harleys > really were like that. I think it was about the time Mr. Honda was seeing > his first self-propelled vehicle... You don't have to go back that far - three letters: AMF I do believe that my '34 Harley was more reliable than almost any of the later AMF bikes. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 7 15:59:55 2005 Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 16:00:03 -0500 To: Michael Jordan From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: Comment about "Harley Jokes" (No whining from Sport Bike riders, please!) :) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX At 03:06 PM 1/7/05 -0500, Michael Jordan wrote: >> Those jokes weren't bad...but they'd have been funnier back when Harleys >> really were like that. I think it was about the time Mr. Honda was seeing >> his first self-propelled vehicle... > >You don't have to go back that far - three letters: AMF > >I do believe that my '34 Harley was more reliable than almost any of >the later AMF bikes. Good point. Unhappy workers will do in your quality for sure. I've heard stories about bikes being delivered to dealers with really obvious "issues", such as missing pistons, during that unhappy period in Harley's history. I've also heard about "cutbacks" on things like o-rings that made them leak like sieves. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 7 16:06:32 2005 From: "David Cross" To: Subject: HOV in jeopardy for motorcycles? Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 16:06:21 -0500 Not trying to raise any alarms, but as the HOV backlash against Hybrid cars grows I am concerned that they will lump the motorcycles in with them in the next round of HOV changes. How can we make sure this does not occur? "And while we're at it, lets get rid of the damn motorcycles from HOV as well!" As Hybrid Cars Multiply, So Do Carpooling Gripes http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A54561-2005Jan6.html Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 7 16:24:58 2005 Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 16:25:12 -0500 To: "David Cross" , From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: HOV in jeopardy for motorcycles? At 04:06 PM 1/7/05 -0500, David Cross wrote: >Not trying to raise any alarms, but as the HOV backlash against Hybrid cars >grows I am concerned that they will lump the motorcycles in with them in the >next round of HOV changes. How can we make sure this does not occur? Make sure? Get elected Governor is about all I can think of. Short of that, joining motorcycle lobbying organizations, like the AMA, is a good move in that direction I think. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 7 16:36:17 2005 Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 16:35:59 -0500 Subject: Fwd: Just curious about black sportbikes From: Randy Moran To: DC Cycles > Don't sleep on the RC51, boys! It's back and it's black for 2005! > > http://powersports.honda.com/motorcycles/sport/ > model.asp?ModelName=RC51&ModelYear=2005&ModelId=RVT1000R5 > > RPM > > On Friday, January 7, 2005, at 01:57 PM, Julian Halton wrote: > >> Specifically I was wondering about: >> http://www.yamaha-motor.com/products/unitinfo/2/mcy/5/8/0/yamaha_yzf- >> r6. >> aspx > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 7 16:37:39 2005 Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 13:37:37 -0800 (PST) From: "James O'Connor" Subject: Re: HOV in jeopardy for motorcycles? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I wonder how the number of motos compares to the number of hybrids in the HOV lanes? I generally see several hybrids for every bike on my commute. I would probably have to attend one of those fancy public meetings if it looked like they were trying to slice bikes out of HOV too. Maybe the renewal of the Hybrids in HOV law would be a good time to suggest legalizing lane splitting for motos in the metro area......... - Jimmy --- "Mike B." wrote: > At 04:06 PM 1/7/05 -0500, David Cross wrote: > >Not trying to raise any alarms, but as the HOV backlash against > Hybrid cars > >grows I am concerned that they will lump the motorcycles in with > them in the > >next round of HOV changes. How can we make sure this does not > occur? > > Make sure? Get elected Governor is about all I can think of. > > Short of that, joining motorcycle lobbying organizations, like the > AMA, is > a good move in that direction I think. > > > -- > -- Mike B. > > '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the > non-Harley folks) > > Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's > mistakes > is better. > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 7 17:02:28 2005 Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 17:00:48 -0500 From: Paul Wilson To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: HOV in jeopardy for motorcycles? On Fri, 7 Jan 2005 13:37:37 -0800 (PST), James O'Connor wrote: > I wonder how the number of motos compares to the number of hybrids in > the HOV lanes? I generally see several hybrids for every bike on my > commute. I would probably have to attend one of those fancy public > meetings if it looked like they were trying to slice bikes out of HOV > too. > > - Jimmy > At the risk of injecting real information into this thread, rather than rash speculation, motos are riding the HOV lanes courtesy of federal law. [Surface Transporation Assistance Act of 1982. The language was further strengthened under the sweeping ISTEA legislation in 1992.] Notwithstanding these acts of Congress, VDOT fought tooth and nail to bar motos from the HOV lanes, as they requested exemptions via the Federal Highway Admin. Here's the poop on the struggle with bureaucrats at VDOT and the legislative history of motos in HOV lanes, from the venerable Bob Higdon -- http://www.mrf.org/pdf/WhitePapers/Volume2-1994/HOVLanesinVirginia.pdf Good reading. It should alleviate any fears that motos are about to get the boot. Gas-electric hybrids, on the other hand, are there at the commonwealth's discretion. I think we can stand down on this one as our access to the HOV lanes is due to federal law and federal dollars that went to build the lanes. And, you can bet AMA, MRF, etc., will fight any tinkering with these laws. -- Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR - 90 KLR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 7 17:12:32 2005 Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 14:12:24 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: RE: Just curious about black sportbikes To: Perry Coleman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX I like my black bedliner paint. The rain water streaks look really cool across the dimpled surface. The bedliner paint is thick enough that it covers all those scrapes and scratches. Of course, a gallon of paint does add significant weight to the bike. Ideally, you should only paint the steel parts, although a coat of paint would slow the corrosion on aluminum, too. Leon. Fender n. A cushioning device, such as a bundle of rope or a piece of timber, used on the side of a vessel or dock to absorb impact or friction. --- Perry Coleman wrote: > Julian, > > I have owned a silverdammit Concours ('86) and now > own a black Concours > ('92). I have also owned several black cars and now > own a silver car. I can > say that when I had the silver Concours, I usually > didn't notice how dirty, > etc. it was until I washed it. With the black, every > little imperfection > shows up immediately after it has been washed. So, > yes, I would say that > black shows dirt, dust, etc. much more intensely > than silver. Depending on > the severity of the scratches, however, silver > probably isn't a lot better, > but some. > > One of the reasons I went to a silver car this time > was because I was tired > of having to look at a black car that was beautiful > for about 10 minutes > after I washed it, and then went downhill fast. My > next bike will probably > be silver, or a "neutral" color, for much the same > reason. > > I still love a clean, waxed, black vehicle, > though... > > Perry > > >From: "Julian Halton" > >To: > >Subject: Just curious about black sportbikes > >Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 11:45:24 -0500 > > > >If any of you have owned a black sportbike: Would > you care to comment on > >how the paint scheme holds up as opposed to a more > neutral color like > >silver? > >Are scratches and dents more apparent because of > the contrast? > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 7 17:20:54 2005 Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 14:20:45 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: HOV in jeopardy for motorcycles? To: Paul Wilson , DC-Cycles See, there you go. Ruining the hysteria with facts, figures and reason. What fun is that? --- Paul Wilson wrote: > On Fri, 7 Jan 2005 13:37:37 -0800 (PST), James > O'Connor > wrote: > > I wonder how the number of motos compares to the > number of hybrids in > > the HOV lanes? I generally see several hybrids > for every bike on my > > commute. I would probably have to attend one of > those fancy public > > meetings if it looked like they were trying to > slice bikes out of HOV > > too. > > > > - Jimmy > > > At the risk of injecting real information into this > thread, rather > than rash speculation, motos are riding the HOV > lanes courtesy of > federal law. [Surface Transporation Assistance Act > of 1982. The > language was further strengthened under the sweeping > ISTEA legislation > in 1992.] Notwithstanding these acts of Congress, > VDOT fought tooth > and nail to bar motos from the HOV lanes, as they > requested exemptions > via the Federal Highway Admin. > > Here's the poop on the struggle with bureaucrats at > VDOT and the > legislative history of motos in HOV lanes, from the > venerable Bob > Higdon -- > > http://www.mrf.org/pdf/WhitePapers/Volume2-1994/HOVLanesinVirginia.pdf > > Good reading. It should alleviate any fears that > motos are about to > get the boot. > > Gas-electric hybrids, on the other hand, are there > at the > commonwealth's discretion. I think we can stand > down on this one as > our access to the HOV lanes is due to federal law > and federal dollars > that went to build the lanes. And, you can bet AMA, > MRF, etc., will > fight any tinkering with these laws. > > -- > Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org > 95 VFR - 90 KLR > > ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 7 18:40:13 2005 Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 15:39:35 -0800 (PST) From: Hugh Caldwell Subject: Re: Fwd: Just curious about black sportbikes To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Looks like Honda is following Yamaha's lead again. --- Randy Moran wrote: > > Don't sleep on the RC51, boys! It's back and it's black for 2005! > > > > http://powersports.honda.com/motorcycles/sport/ > > model.asp?ModelName=RC51&ModelYear=2005&ModelId=RVT1000R5 > > > > RPM > > ===== Hugh Caldwell http://www.twowheelsgood.net __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 7 20:01:12 2005 Subject: RE: HOV in jeopardy for motorcycles? Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 20:01:08 -0500 From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" To: "DC-Cycles" >See, there you go. Ruining the hysteria with facts, figures >and reason. What fun is that? No worries Todd... Just make up something about only Harley's being banned from HOV lanes and that'll start it right up again. :P --smthng http://spaces.msn.com/members/smthng From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 7 21:28:10 2005 From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Just curious about black sportbikes Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 21:27:39 -0500 Well, I don't know that I'm ready to go that far into "stealth" mode, but I do kind of like the "asphalt" color on the recent Viffers... ;^) Perry >From: Leon Begeman >To: Perry Coleman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: RE: Just curious about black sportbikes >Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 14:12:24 -0800 (PST) > >I like my black bedliner paint. The rain water >streaks look really cool across the dimpled surface. > >The bedliner paint is thick enough that it covers all >those scrapes and scratches. Of course, a gallon of >paint does add significant weight to the bike. >Ideally, you should only paint the steel parts, >although a coat of paint would slow the corrosion on >aluminum, too. > >Leon. > >Fender n. A cushioning device, such as a bundle of >rope or a piece of timber, used on the side of a >vessel or dock to absorb impact or friction. > > > >--- Perry Coleman wrote: > > > Julian, > > > > I have owned a silverdammit Concours ('86) and now > > own a black Concours > > ('92). I have also owned several black cars and now > > own a silver car. I can > > say that when I had the silver Concours, I usually > > didn't notice how dirty, > > etc. it was until I washed it. With the black, every > > little imperfection > > shows up immediately after it has been washed. So, > > yes, I would say that > > black shows dirt, dust, etc. much more intensely > > than silver. Depending on > > the severity of the scratches, however, silver > > probably isn't a lot better, > > but some. > > > > One of the reasons I went to a silver car this time > > was because I was tired > > of having to look at a black car that was beautiful > > for about 10 minutes > > after I washed it, and then went downhill fast. My > > next bike will probably > > be silver, or a "neutral" color, for much the same > > reason. > > > > I still love a clean, waxed, black vehicle, > > though... > > > > Perry > > > > >From: "Julian Halton" > > >To: > > >Subject: Just curious about black sportbikes > > >Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 11:45:24 -0500 > > > > > >If any of you have owned a black sportbike: Would > > you care to comment on > > >how the paint scheme holds up as opposed to a more > > neutral color like > > >silver? > > >Are scratches and dents more apparent because of > > the contrast? > > > > > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 7 23:49:50 2005 From: Daniel To: Paul Wilson Cc: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: HOV in jeopardy for motorcycles? Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 23:49:39 -0500 anyone know on what grounds they wanted to bar mc's ? I mean they are light and small and dont' do a lot of damage ot the road.. plus less blended in with 4 lane traffic would mean less fatalities i would think.. what were they arguing? Mc's abuse the privlidge??? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 7 23:52:42 2005 From: Daniel To: Tom Gimer Cc: "Mike B." , DC Cycles Subject: Re: Comment about "Harley Jokes" (No whining from Sport Bike riders, please!) :) Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 23:52:29 -0500 It was my response.. I still have to wonder though.. if she's 510 she's obviously bigger than the average woman.. does she eat the same portions as say a woman 5'2 and less weight? On Fri, 7 Jan 2005 11:59:36 -0800 (PST), Tom Gimer wrote: >mike: >that wasn't my response..... wipe the shit out of yer >eyes! > > > > > >--- "Mike B." wrote: > >> At 08:20 AM 1/7/05 -0500, Daniel wrote: >> >40 mpg >> >That's all fine and dandy in a vacuum tube, >> >but let's talk real world figures here... >> > >> >tripple the price on the harley minimum >> >and double your food allowance on the big boned >> friend... >> >dooooooooooessn't seem too financially effecient to me. >> >> Is that the sort of "new math" you use when calculating >> "billable hours"? >> >> You don't know much about tall women, do you? Despite >> the Napoleon Complex >> that probably makes you go after them anyway? >> >> >> -- >> -- Mike B. >> >> '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for >> the non-Harley folks) >> >> Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from >> someone else's mistakes >> is better. >> > > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >All your favorites on one personal page )B– Try My Yahoo! >http://my.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 8 00:31:14 2005 Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2005 00:29:41 -0500 To: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" , "DC-Cycles" From: "Mike B." Subject: RE: HOV in jeopardy for motorcycles? At 08:01 PM 1/7/05 -0500, Jonathan W. Kalmes wrote: >>See, there you go. Ruining the hysteria with facts, figures >>and reason. What fun is that? > >No worries Todd... Just make up something about only Harley's being >banned from HOV lanes and that'll start it right up again. :P I thought it was only going to be sport bikes? As retribution for all the hooliganism? :-P -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 8 00:57:03 2005 From: Daniel To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: I know how i'm going to beat my next speeding ticket.. Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2005 00:56:49 -0500 So what I'm going to do is pull hte fuse that tracks speed and milage.. replace it with a blown fuse... I won't know my speed but i'll keep the milage down too! and generally go with the flow of traffic... and when a cop catches me doing tripple digits.. I'll just tell him my fuse keeps blowing on the gauges so I didn't know my speed... and i'll just say yea it keeps blowing everytime I get over 120 mph.... Danny 1. no i'm not that stupid 2. it's just a joke 3. hey i could did 120 at the drag track when it last blew. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 8 00:58:49 2005 From: Jason Picton To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Just curious about black sportbikes Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 00:57:09 -0500 In the past couple of years - I have owned a slew of bike - Maroon, Blue White, Red, and 2 have been black. To be honest I have not noticed any particularly different bout black concerning scratching (sorry no dents) versus any other color - nor does the black seem to fade or appear to dull any more than any other color...... The one thing about black tho - is that water spots and dirt - show up more so than any other bike color - I dunno if it's cause of the contrast or what... But my Fz1 look great after it's washed - but it's gets dirty faster than any other color. -----Original Message----- From: Jonathan W. Kalmes [mailto:jkalmes@XXXXXX] To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Just curious about black sportbikes >If any of you have owned a black sportbike: Would you care to >comment on how the paint scheme holds up as opposed to a more >neutral color like silver? >Are scratches and dents more apparent because of the contrast? I had a black & red cruiser and it definitely showed dirt and scratches very easily and quickly (add chrome to that mix and it was a major PIA). I also had a bike that was flat black (think Ducati Monster, but this was a home-grown paint job). The flat black was great... Probably showed less dirt and scratches than anything else I've had. If I had to repaint a bike again, I'd probably go with the flat black if the bike had enough guts to back it up. Just my two cents. --smthng http://spaces.msn.com/members/smthng From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 8 09:33:38 2005 Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 09:33:30 -0500 From: Paul Wilson To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: HOV in jeopardy for motorcycles? On Fri, 07 Jan 2005 23:49:39 -0500, Daniel wrote: > > anyone know on what grounds they wanted to bar mc's ? > > I mean they are light and small and dont' do a lot of damage ot the > road.. plus less blended in with 4 lane traffic would mean less > fatalities i would think.. > > what were they arguing? Mc's abuse the privlidge??? > > Did you read the Higdon piece? He attributed it basically to bureaucratic arrogance "we know better than you" on the part of VDOT, to the point that they used junk statistics to "prove" that motorcycles were inherently unsafe. As such, it would have set a dangerous precedent had they gotten away with it. -- Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR - 90 KLR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 8 10:33:47 2005 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 10:33:38 EST Subject: Re: Just curious about black sportbikes To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 1/7/2005 9:28:25 PM Eastern Standard Time, perrycoleman@XXXXXX writes: > Well, I don't know that I'm ready to go that far into "stealth" mode, but I > do kind of like the "asphalt" color on the recent Viffers... ;^) How about some of the radar absorbing paint they use on stealth aircraft? Now _that_ would be a nice paint job. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 8 11:15:23 2005 Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 11:15:03 -0500 Subject: How DOES a sportbike handle some extra weight? From: Randy Moran To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Damn! How do he do 'dat? http://www.motorush.com/forums/messageview.cfm?catid=70&threadid=34555 RPM From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 8 14:35:37 2005 From: bernescut@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Dealership question Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 14:35:01 -0500 Several list members have mentioned Manassas Honda in the past. Any thoughts on the quality of their service department? Did you like the work they did on your bike? I've only been to CP$ and I would like to try another dealership. I would rather not find myself in an ER wishing I'd paid a little more for the work :) Cedric Bernescut 2000 CBR600F4 Annandale, VA From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 8 14:44:12 2005 Subject: RE: Dealership question Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 14:44:07 -0500 From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" To: >Several list members have mentioned Manassas Honda in the >past. Any thoughts on the quality of their service >department? Did you like the work they did on your bike? Every time I've been there for service, they've been top notch all the way. That's one thing I wouldn't hesitate to recommend Manassas Honda for. I no longer go there simply because they aren't a Yamaha shop. >I've only been to CP$ and I would like to try another >dealership. I would rather not find myself in an ER wishing >I'd paid a little more for the work :) Yup - that sounds like CP to me. Another one to look at is Champion Motorsports in Herndon, but they aren't a Honda Authorized Service Center. If you're doing basic service stuff or even minor modifications (exhaust, etc) I doubt that it would matter. But, I'd have a hard time recommending a non-authorized center for major internal engine work unless I know someone else who's done it at the same shop. Just my thoughts on the matter. --smthng http://spaces.msn.com/members/smthng From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 8 15:03:23 2005 Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 12:03:15 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Ray Subject: RE: Dealership question To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I'd second the vote for Champions. I bought my bandit there, and am happy with the work they do. A friend has gotten a couple bikes at Manassas Honda, and has mixed experiences. Nothing awful, but they couldn't really fix a problem with the temp sensor on his Magna. YMMV. Brian From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 8 17:58:59 2005 Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 14:58:54 -0800 (PST) From: "James O'Connor" Subject: Re: Dealership question To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I bought my first bike there and have never had a problem with them. Part of what sold me on MHK was the parts guy....can't remember his name, but the tall guy with glass (Gary?). Great guy. I had it serviced there a few times also and was happy with the guality of work. Overall, I'd recommend MHK for sales, parts, service without a doubt. The only real downfall of MHK that I see is they are severly lacking inventory and floor space. Champion and Coleman dwarf MHK in terms of the number of machines they carry. - Jimmy '03 Rex --- bernescut@XXXXXX wrote: > Several list members have mentioned Manassas Honda in the past. > Any > thoughts on the quality of their service department? Did you like > the work > they did on your bike? I've only been to CP$ and I would like to > try > another dealership. I would rather not find myself in an ER > wishing I'd > paid a little more for the work :) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 8 18:07:30 2005 Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 15:07:26 -0800 (PST) From: "James O'Connor" Subject: RE: Dealership question To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I bought my current bike from Champion. To be honest, I received VERY poor service from the sales guy I first talked to - to the point I left telling (shouting) him he just lost a customer and he should pick a different line of work. But.....I ended up back at Champion. Tom, the owner, took the initiative to invite me back and he completed the sale personally. This meant a lot to me. If I hadn't dealt with that jerk initially, I'd not hesitate to recommend Champion. I have also dealt with Nick, who is their performance guy. He is top notch all the way. One of the best, and his reputation precedes him. John, the service writer has also been very helpful to me. So, after getting to know a few of the folks over there, I like them. I'm not sure I'm as comfortable there as I am at MHK, but I trust them to work on my bike, so I guest I trust them enough. - Jimmy '03 Rex --- Brian Ray wrote: > I'd second the vote for Champions. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! http://my.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 8 22:10:44 2005 From: "W.S." To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Re: Dealership question Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 22:10:19 -0500 More support for MHK. They've been prompt, ontime, and courteous in doing more or less routine maintenance, most of the time same day service scheduled a week or so beforehand. Bill S. / DC (on digest) '99 VN750 > At 19K purring like finally broken in. Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 8 22:41:07 2005 From: "W.S." To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Speed and Redlight cameras (was HOV . . .) Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 22:40:54 -0500 With issues in the mix, here's a detailed half page update on speed and redlight cameras. Other than rearenders replacing t-bones, not too much new for veteran listers. With Cameras on the Corner, Your Ticket Is in the Mail http://www.nytimes.com/2005/01/06/technology/circuits/06came.html?oref=login (may require registration} Saw DC Police Chief Ramsey on a TV clip the other night defending cameras with a point being made that more are to come. Bill S. / DC (on digest) '99 VN750 > Still debugging my "vanishing button" Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 8 23:33:26 2005 Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 20:33:23 -0800 (PST) From: jeff schmidt Subject: Re: Speed and Redlight cameras To: "W.S." , DC-Cycles DC is deepening their redlight/speed camera investment. They set one up across the street from my apartment on Michigan Ave NE a month or two ago. Looks like they're going to flick the power switch pretty soon. Details were in the Post today... THE DISTRICT More Spots to Nab Speeders in NE, NW D.C. police are expanding their photo radar program with the installation of four devices in Northeast and Northwest Washington, officials said yesterday. The four photo radar machines, which will captures speeders on camera and allow police to mail citations to motorists, will be placed in the 4700 block of MacArthur Boulevard NW; 2800 block of Benning Road NE; 100 block of Michigan Avenue NE; and 5400 block of 16th Street NW. Police will begin testing the devices Monday and could begin issuing tickets in several weeks, officials said. D.C. police operate one other stationary photo radar camera, in the 600 block of Florida Avenue NE. The force has eight cars equipped with the devices that it deploys across the city in about 70 enforcement zones. More information about the department's enforcement zones can be found on the police department's Web site, www.mpdc.dc.gov. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 8 23:39:46 2005 From: "Dave Yates" To: "'DC-Cycles'" Subject: RE: Speed and Redlight cameras Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 23:37:41 -0500 X-ELNK-Trace: 956056117932dab21aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec797e09e9be13b9dac7f2a952a132a1c806350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c Sooner or later, these 'chickens' are going to come home to roost. Right now, the political climate is permissive of the current scheme. While I have no love of red light runners, I loathe the camera scheme far more. Eventually, the climate is going to become less permissive of this type of abuse, but probably long after DC has grown used to all that extra money. Then what are they going to do.... I would dearly love for Congress to usurp all the funds that come from those cameras. Fortunately, there is a very, very good chance that VA red light cameras will go the way of the dinosaur after this year's G.A. session. Dave -----Original Message----- From: jeff schmidt [mailto:jeffreyschmidt4gop@XXXXXX] To: W.S.; DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Speed and Redlight cameras DC is deepening their redlight/speed camera investment. They set one up across the street from my apartment on Michigan Ave NE a month or two ago. Looks like they're going to flick the power switch pretty soon. Details were in the Post today... THE DISTRICT More Spots to Nab Speeders in NE, NW D.C. police are expanding their photo radar program with the installation of four devices in Northeast and Northwest Washington, officials said yesterday. The four photo radar machines, which will captures speeders on camera and allow police to mail citations to motorists, will be placed in the 4700 block of MacArthur Boulevard NW; 2800 block of Benning Road NE; 100 block of Michigan Avenue NE; and 5400 block of 16th Street NW. Police will begin testing the devices Monday and could begin issuing tickets in several weeks, officials said. D.C. police operate one other stationary photo radar camera, in the 600 block of Florida Avenue NE. The force has eight cars equipped with the devices that it deploys across the city in about 70 enforcement zones. More information about the department's enforcement zones can be found on the police department's Web site, www.mpdc.dc.gov. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jan 9 00:20:08 2005 From: Daniel To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: 2003 kawasaki 636 for sale $3500 Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2005 00:19:56 -0500 2003 kawasaki 636 for sale $3500 salvage title, meaning the state police have to inspect the vin and engine number and sign the title, and then you can get a normally registerable title. - Danny From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jan 9 06:58:04 2005 Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 06:57:55 -0500 From: Paul Wilson To: "W.S." , DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Speed and Redlight cameras (was HOV . . .) On Sat, 8 Jan 2005 22:40:54 -0500, W.S. wrote: > With issues in the mix, here's a detailed half page update on speed and > redlight cameras. ..... > > Saw DC Police Chief Ramsey on a TV clip the other night defending cameras > with a point being made that more are to come. > > Bill S. / DC (on digest) > DC is installing three additional fixed camera locations, per yesterday's Washington Post. More Spots to Nab Speeders in NE, NW D.C. police are expanding their photo radar program with the installation of four devices in Northeast and Northwest Washington, officials said yesterday. The four photo radar machines, which will captures speeders on camera and allow police to mail citations to motorists, will be placed in the 4700 block of MacArthur Boulevard NW; 2800 block of Benning Road NE; 100 block of Michigan Avenue NE; and 5400 block of 16th Street NW. Police will begin testing the devices Monday and could begin issuing tickets in several weeks, officials said. D.C. police operate one other stationary photo radar camera, in the 600 block of Florida Avenue NE. The force has eight cars equipped with the devices that it deploys across the city in about 70 enforcement zones. More information about the department's enforcement zones can be found on the police department's Web site, www.mpdc.dc.gov. -- Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR - 90 KLR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jan 9 08:53:32 2005 Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 05:52:34 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Withrow Subject: RE: Speed and Redlight cameras To: Dave Yates , "'DC-Cycles'" I don't have a problem with the red light cameras, as long as the the yellow light is a standard length. If it is a short yellow, then I have a problem. In FFX, you don't get the ticket unless the light has been red for at least .5 seconds. And like the one shown for Montgomery Co, it shows the entire intersection in two frames then a close up of the plate. It also shows your speed as you go through the intersection. Quite often you see a car in front of the violator that is stopping, and the violator continues through. So if the lead car could stop, the trailing car should have as well. Sometimes the speeds are in the reckless range as well. So I have no problem with them getting tickets. Many deserve way more than the $50 civil penalty. I wholly disagree with photo radar. You need an operator to observe the totality of the circumstances to decide if the speed indicated is accurate and deserving of a ticket. Additionally, the calibration of a radar unit needs to be checked regularly. Todd --- Dave Yates wrote: > Sooner or later, these 'chickens' are going to come > home to roost. Right > now, the political climate is permissive of the > current scheme. While I > have no love of red light runners, I loathe the > camera scheme far more. > Eventually, the climate is going to become less > permissive of this type of > abuse, ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jan 9 09:14:26 2005 From: "Dave Yates" To: "'DC-Cycles'" Subject: RE: Speed and Redlight cameras Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 09:12:22 -0500 X-ELNK-Trace: 956056117932dab21aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79b25afd250b26513445d44c392074cb9d350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c TW: I don't have a problem with the red light cameras, as long as the the yellow light is a standard length. If it is a short yellow, then I have a problem. In FFX, you don't get the ticket unless the light has been red for at least .5 seconds. [Dave] I'm not able to speak authoritatively on the UnFairTax cameras. The Alexandria cameras, OTOH, their yellows are distinguishably short. And like the one shown for Montgomery Co, it shows the entire intersection in two frames then a close up of the plate. It also shows your speed as you go through the intersection. Quite often you see a car in front of the violator that is stopping, and the violator continues through. So if the lead car could stop, the trailing car should have as well. Sometimes the speeds are in the reckless range as well. So I have no problem with them getting tickets. Many deserve way more than the $50 civil penalty. [Dave] Take the money out of the equation then. 1 day in county jail. Since I think that 'reckless' charge in VA is BS anyway, I just can't see Making that separate and worse, it's already up to 6 months in jail... I wholly disagree with photo radar. You need an operator to observe the totality of the circumstances to decide if the speed indicated is accurate and deserving of a ticket. Additionally, the calibration of a radar unit needs to be checked regularly. [Dave] You make good points. I wholly disagree with speed enforcement. I think the participants are doing nothing less than making America safe For terrorist attack in the pursuit of raking in more dollars for the local jurisdiction. It's one thing to patrol the road looking for hazards. It's an entire other level to sit in a parked cruiser that cost scores of thousands of dollars awaiting someone going x miles over the speed limit to write a ticket to. Dave Todd --- Dave Yates wrote: > Sooner or later, these 'chickens' are going to come > home to roost. Right > now, the political climate is permissive of the > current scheme. While I > have no love of red light runners, I loathe the > camera scheme far more. > Eventually, the climate is going to become less > permissive of this type of > abuse, ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jan 9 09:19:05 2005 Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 09:38:38 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: RE: Dealership question On Sat, 8 Jan 2005, James O'Connor wrote: > Champion. I have also dealt with Nick, who is their performance guy. > He is top notch all the way. One of the best, and his reputation > precedes him. Nick tuned my 'Busa. He does great work. -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jan 9 10:20:24 2005 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 10:20:12 EST Subject: Re: Speed and Redlight cameras To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 1/8/2005 11:40:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, dave@XXXXXX writes: > I loathe the camera scheme far more. > Eventually, the climate is going to become less permissive of this type of > abuse, I have believed this about far too many bullshit government boondoggles to believe it about this one. Why do you think they advertise the location? Not to help warn people to keep their speed down. They do it so as not to piss off locals who learn where these damnable things are and how to avoid them thereby only catching/stealing from "others/outsiders/tourists." The perception (as voiced here on this very list) is "fuck them it keeps my taxes low." As long as the people who are voting are not being harmed by those damn cameras and they see a benefit those cameras will remain. (And lets not forget that major private corporations also profit from the cameras and you can bet "kickback" to the political campaigns of those who support cameras.) Get used to it, it is here to stay. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC 1999, Honda ST1100X Pan European 1983, BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles 1976, Honda CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jan 9 10:24:12 2005 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 10:24:00 EST Subject: Re: Speed and Redlight cameras To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 1/9/2005 9:14:46 AM Eastern Standard Time, dave@XXXXXX writes: > It's one thing to patrol the road looking for hazards. > It's an entire other level to sit in a parked cruiser that cost scores of > thousands of dollars awaiting someone going x miles over the speed limit to > write a ticket to. Good point, kinda makes a photo radar patrol car the worlds most expensive tripod. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jan 9 22:18:26 2005 Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 22:18:18 -0500 From: Subject: Re: HOV in jeopardy for motorcycles? To: Todd Withrow , Paul Wilson , DC-Cycles Hi, Thanks for adding me to your list, however I am getting way too many e-mails right now and cannot keep up with them all. Could you please unsubscribe me? Thanks, Jennifer ---- Original message ---- >Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 14:20:45 -0800 (PST) >From: Todd Withrow >Subject: Re: HOV in jeopardy for motorcycles? >To: Paul Wilson , DC-Cycles > >See, there you go. Ruining the hysteria with facts, >figures and reason. What fun is that? > > > >--- Paul Wilson wrote: > >> On Fri, 7 Jan 2005 13:37:37 -0800 (PST), James >> O'Connor >> wrote: >> > I wonder how the number of motos compares to the >> number of hybrids in >> > the HOV lanes? I generally see several hybrids >> for every bike on my >> > commute. I would probably have to attend one of >> those fancy public >> > meetings if it looked like they were trying to >> slice bikes out of HOV >> > too. >> > >> > - Jimmy >> > >> At the risk of injecting real information into this >> thread, rather >> than rash speculation, motos are riding the HOV >> lanes courtesy of >> federal law. [Surface Transporation Assistance Act >> of 1982. The >> language was further strengthened under the sweeping >> ISTEA legislation >> in 1992.] Notwithstanding these acts of Congress, >> VDOT fought tooth >> and nail to bar motos from the HOV lanes, as they >> requested exemptions >> via the Federal Highway Admin. >> >> Here's the poop on the struggle with bureaucrats at >> VDOT and the >> legislative history of motos in HOV lanes, from the >> venerable Bob >> Higdon -- >> >> >http://www.mrf.org/pdf/WhitePapers/Volume2-1994/ HOVLanesinVirginia.pdf >> >> Good reading. It should alleviate any fears that >> motos are about to >> get the boot. >> >> Gas-electric hybrids, on the other hand, are there >> at the >> commonwealth's discretion. I think we can stand >> down on this one as >> our access to the HOV lanes is due to federal law >> and federal dollars >> that went to build the lanes. And, you can bet AMA, >> MRF, etc., will >> fight any tinkering with these laws. >> >> -- >> Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org >> 95 VFR - 90 KLR >> >> > > >===== >AIM: Inf DS > >http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow > >----------------------------------------------------------- >Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 10 08:41:12 2005 Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 09:35:07 -0500 From: "De Boeser, Tom" To: bernescut@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Dealership question bernescut@XXXXXX wrote: >Several list members have mentioned Manassas Honda in the past. Any >thoughts on the quality of their service department? Did you like the work >they did on your bike? I've only been to CP$ and I would like to try >another dealership. I would rather not find myself in an ER wishing I'd >paid a little more for the work :) > >Cedric Bernescut >2000 CBR600F4 >Annandale, VA > > > I'll second ( or third, fourth, etc. ) support for Manaassas Honda. Good people, good service. Tom de '03 ST1300 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 10 08:49:42 2005 Subject: RE: Speed and Redlight cameras (was HOV . . .) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 08:49:39 -0500 From: "Julian Halton" To: "DC-Cycles" 1984. "The culture of fear". Stay in your homes; consume; reproduce; pay your taxes and die quickly. "More to come"....so, so very wrong. -----Original Message----- From: Paul Wilson [mailto:dcmcrider@XXXXXX] To: W.S.; DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Speed and Redlight cameras (was HOV . . .) On Sat, 8 Jan 2005 22:40:54 -0500, W.S. wrote: > With issues in the mix, here's a detailed half page update on speed > and redlight cameras. ..... > > Saw DC Police Chief Ramsey on a TV clip the other night defending > cameras with a point being made that more are to come. > > Bill S. / DC (on digest) > DC is installing three additional fixed camera locations, per yesterday's Washington Post. More Spots to Nab Speeders in NE, NW D.C. police are expanding their photo radar program with the installation of four devices in Northeast and Northwest Washington, officials said yesterday. The four photo radar machines, which will captures speeders on camera and allow police to mail citations to motorists, will be placed in the 4700 block of MacArthur Boulevard NW; 2800 block of Benning Road NE; 100 block of Michigan Avenue NE; and 5400 block of 16th Street NW. Police will begin testing the devices Monday and could begin issuing tickets in several weeks, officials said. D.C. police operate one other stationary photo radar camera, in the 600 block of Florida Avenue NE. The force has eight cars equipped with the devices that it deploys across the city in about 70 enforcement zones. More information about the department's enforcement zones can be found on the police department's Web site, www.mpdc.dc.gov. -- Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR - 90 KLR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 10 10:26:45 2005 Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 10:26:42 -0500 From: Sean Jordan To: Papa work , Thomas Jordan , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: This could be fun . . . http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dllViewItem&rd=1&item=4518007704&category=35599 Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 10 11:12:36 2005 From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: This could be fun . . . Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 11:11:17 -0500 Sean, It must have been TOO fun - it's already gone... Perry >From: Sean Jordan >Reply-To: Sean Jordan >To: Papa work , Thomas Jordan , > dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: This could be fun . . . >Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 10:26:42 -0500 > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dllViewItem&rd=1&item=4518007704&category=35599 > >Sean Jordan > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 10 11:17:06 2005 Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 11:17:04 -0500 To: From: Troutman Subject: Long Way Round Two Wheels Through Terror Heated Gear If my subject line confused you, raise your hand. Anyone that missed the A&E Long Way Round series can catch up with the guys on DVD fairly soon. And for that extra bit of detail the camera didn't pick up, the book came out a few weeks before Christmas. It has a number of pictures for the illiterate among us. The writing is so-so, but the content is excellent. If you don't know what I am talking about, LWR is the story of two actors who hop on BMWs and ride from the UK to New York via Alaska. Speaking of content, I am now about halfway through Two Wheels Through Terror. The riveting story of a 40s Judo instructor who decides to ride from La-La land to the tip of South America and back over 8 months; and is captured by a leftist terrorist faction in Columbia. When he gets out after 5 weeks, he opts to continue his ride. That, my friends, is a motorcyclist. Today was my first day commuting with the Gerbing heated gear. As promised, Santa brought me a thermostat, jacket and giant gauntlet gloves. I rigged the thermostat near the clutch reservoir where I can reach it easily while riding. Installation was a snap. The jacket fits perfectly and plugs easily into the gloves. It has replaced my First Gear Kenya fleece liner until Spring comes back around. I can't complain about the generated heat. My test ride took me out on a windy 19F day, and I couldn't keep the thermostat on high for long. It was just too warm. Today I was happy with low all the way in. My toes still got cold, but everything else was toasty. I can't believe I waited so long to get heated gear. The glove internal wires protrude a bit too much. On my right hand it feels like they ran the wires on the palm side just under the first knuckle. The effect is squeezing a wire as I squeeze the throttle. Hopefully I can adjust the placement somehow. These gloves are incredibly warm, even without electricity. And they are huge. I thought my old gauntlets were big, and I was wrong. The VFR doesn't mind the power drain so far. I'm going to run some tests tonight to see how the battery and charging system are coping. You can put your hand down now. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 10 11:19:13 2005 Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 11:19:10 -0500 From: Sean Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: This could be fun . . . Sorry folks - I killed an all-important question mark on the original post! http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=4518007704&category=35599 Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 10 11:30:47 2005 Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 11:30:39 -0500 From: Paul Wilson To: Troutman Subject: Re: Long Way Round Two Wheels Through Terror Heated Gear Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 11:17:04 -0500, Troutman wrote: > > Speaking of content, I am now about halfway through Two Wheels Through > Terror. The riveting story of a 40s Judo instructor who decides to ride > from La-La land to the tip of South America and back over 8 months; and is > captured by a leftist terrorist faction in Columbia. When he gets out > after 5 weeks, he opts to continue his ride. > > That, my friends, is a motorcyclist. A review by Clement Salvadori in Motorcycle Consumer News suggests that "Two Wheels Through Terror" should be sold in the Fiction section of bookstores. Salvadori, no slouch in the "real motorcyclist" department, finds some parts highly fanciful and improbable. What do you think? -- Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR - 90 KLR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 10 11:33:01 2005 Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 11:33:03 -0500 To: "dc Cycles" From: Troutman Subject: Re: Long Way Round Two Wheels Through Terror Heated Gear I'm only 50% through, but everything has been reasonable so far. I wonder what Salvadori thinks he exaggerated? At 11:30 AM 1/10/2005, you wrote: >A review by Clement Salvadori in Motorcycle Consumer News suggests >that "Two Wheels Through Terror" should be sold in the Fiction section >of bookstores. Salvadori, no slouch in the "real motorcyclist" >department, finds some parts highly fanciful and improbable. > >What do you think? ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 10 11:36:17 2005 Subject: RE: Long Way Round Two Wheels Through Terror Heated Gear Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 11:36:08 -0500 From: "Julian Halton" To: "Paul Wilson" , "Troutman" Cc: I recommended this book a while ago....gripping stuff when it comes to goal setting and overcoming hardship.. I actually had some e-mail from the author and the 60 minutes segment was great- talk about grit, determination and having the right gear. -----Original Message----- From: Paul Wilson [mailto:dcmcrider@XXXXXX] To: Troutman Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Long Way Round Two Wheels Through Terror Heated Gear On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 11:17:04 -0500, Troutman wrote: > > Speaking of content, I am now about halfway through Two Wheels Through > Terror. The riveting story of a 40s Judo instructor who decides to > ride from La-La land to the tip of South America and back over 8 > months; and is captured by a leftist terrorist faction in Columbia. > When he gets out after 5 weeks, he opts to continue his ride. > > That, my friends, is a motorcyclist. A review by Clement Salvadori in Motorcycle Consumer News suggests that "Two Wheels Through Terror" should be sold in the Fiction section of bookstores. Salvadori, no slouch in the "real motorcyclist" department, finds some parts highly fanciful and improbable. What do you think? -- Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR - 90 KLR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 10 11:43:59 2005 Subject: RE: Long Way Round Two Wheels Through Terror Heated Gear Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 11:43:51 -0500 From: "Julian Halton" To: "Julian Halton" , "Paul Wilson" , "Troutman" Cc: Got sidetracked by work and did not reply cogently. Watching the guy being interviewed convinced me that what happened was genuine. The way he was treated is fairly standard for a hostage\prisoner and there is much that he doesn't talk about. I have nothing but the utmost respect for a man that goes through an ordeal like that and then decides to continue his journey...he defeats the people that held him captive by his will to go on. -----Original Message----- From: Julian Halton [mailto:julian@XXXXXX] To: Paul Wilson; Troutman Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Long Way Round Two Wheels Through Terror Heated Gear I recommended this book a while ago....gripping stuff when it comes to goal setting and overcoming hardship.. I actually had some e-mail from the author and the 60 minutes segment was great- talk about grit, determination and having the right gear. -----Original Message----- From: Paul Wilson [mailto:dcmcrider@XXXXXX] To: Troutman Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Long Way Round Two Wheels Through Terror Heated Gear On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 11:17:04 -0500, Troutman wrote: > > Speaking of content, I am now about halfway through Two Wheels Through > Terror. The riveting story of a 40s Judo instructor who decides to > ride from La-La land to the tip of South America and back over 8 > months; and is captured by a leftist terrorist faction in Columbia. > When he gets out after 5 weeks, he opts to continue his ride. > > That, my friends, is a motorcyclist. A review by Clement Salvadori in Motorcycle Consumer News suggests that "Two Wheels Through Terror" should be sold in the Fiction section of bookstores. Salvadori, no slouch in the "real motorcyclist" department, finds some parts highly fanciful and improbable. What do you think? -- Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR - 90 KLR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 10 14:12:14 2005 From: bernescut@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Speed camera errors Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 14:11:31 -0500 Interesting article about an engineer in England testing the speed cameras and finding them off by up to 25%. I hope he wins his case: http://www.pistonheads.com/speed/default.asp?storyId=9689 Cedric Bernescut 2000 CBR600F4 Annandale, VA From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 10 15:06:05 2005 Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 15:05:57 -0500 From: Michael Jordan To: DC Cycles Subject: Fwd: [LDRider] Things that make you go mmmmm and cross your legs ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Michael Jordan Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 15:03:58 -0500 Subject: Fwd: [LDRider] Things that make you go mmmmm and cross your legs To: dc_cycles@XXXXXX Oooooohhhh! Don't even want to THINK about this Michael J. Enough to make your eyes water......... >From yesterdays Sydney Morning Herald http://smh.com.au/articles/2005/01/10/1105206037174.html Full text is below (no pictures thankfully!!) "Tourist injured in trail bike crash January 10, 2005 - 4:30PM A British tourist's holiday took a painful turn today when he split open his scrotum in a trail bike accident west of Sydney. The 27-year-old was flown by helicopter out of Blue Mountains National Park near Blackheath to Nepean Hospital after coming off his bike and splitting his scrotum, a Westpac Rescue Helicopter spokesman said. "It's opened up that whole area," the spokesman said. The tourist lost a large amount of blood in the accident, but managed to stem some of the loss with a T-shirt, he said. "It's a blood-rich area ... (so) he's lost a fair bit of blood," the spokesman said. "(But) he was able to jam a T-shirt in between (his legs)." The man was in a serious but stable condition. He was due to fly back home to the UK in two weeks." Yowser!!!! Derrick Sutton Melbourne Australia From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 10 15:24:29 2005 Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 15:24:24 -0500 From: "Chris Norloff" To: , "David Cross" Subject: Re: HOV in jeopardy for motorcycles? I agree that motorcycles losing HOV privileges is possible with the backlash. Just wait 'til 18mpg hybrid trucks show up in the HOV lanes! The best for us is to work with organizations such as VCOM (http://www.vcomonline.org/) and the AMA (http://www.amadirectlink.com/). VCOM and Tom McGrath led the fight to get motorcycles into Virginia/Federal HOV lanes. Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "David Cross" Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 16:06:21 -0500 >Not trying to raise any alarms, but as the HOV backlash against Hybrid cars >grows I am concerned that they will lump the motorcycles in with them in the >next round of HOV changes. How can we make sure this does not occur? > >"And while we're at it, lets get rid of the damn motorcycles from HOV as >well!" > >As Hybrid Cars Multiply, So Do Carpooling Gripes >http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A54561-2005Jan6.html > >Dave > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 10 15:32:32 2005 Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 15:32:27 -0500 From: "Chris Norloff" To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: HOV in jeopardy for motorcycles? I agree with all Paul's facts, but, with respect, disagree with his conclusions. The Virginia Legislature giveth, the Virginia Legislature taketh away. Yes, motorcycles are HOV-legal due to Federal law, but it took years to get Virginia to admit that and stop ticketing motorcycles in the HOV lanes. I believe the Virginia Legislature or VDOT could come up with more excuses to ban bikes. So I don't want to sound like Chicken Little, but I think it's not wise to assume we're 'safe', either. best, Chris ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Paul Wilson >At the risk of injecting real information into this thread, rather >than rash speculation, motos are riding the HOV lanes courtesy of >federal law. [Surface Transporation Assistance Act of 1982. The >language was further strengthened under the sweeping ISTEA legislation >in 1992.] Notwithstanding these acts of Congress, VDOT fought tooth >and nail to bar motos from the HOV lanes, as they requested exemptions >via the Federal Highway Admin. > >Here's the poop on the struggle with bureaucrats at VDOT and the >legislative history of motos in HOV lanes, from the venerable Bob >Higdon -- > >http://www.mrf.org/pdf/WhitePapers/Volume2-1994/HOVLanesinVirginia.pdf > >Good reading. It should alleviate any fears that motos are about to >get the boot. > >Gas-electric hybrids, on the other hand, are there at the >commonwealth's discretion. I think we can stand down on this one as >our access to the HOV lanes is due to federal law and federal dollars >that went to build the lanes. And, you can bet AMA, MRF, etc., will >fight any tinkering with these laws. > >-- >Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org >95 VFR - 90 KLR > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 10 18:11:09 2005 Subject: RE: [LDRider] Things that make you go mmmmm and cross your legs Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 18:10:57 -0500 From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" To: "DC Cycles" >Oooooohhhh! > >Don't even want to THINK about this > >Michael J. >A British tourist's holiday took a painful turn today when he >split open his scrotum in a trail bike accident west of Sydney. If anyone is really interested, I can relate a tale of friend of mine who had a dirt bike accident when he was younger. He's now affectionately known as "One Ball". :/ --smthng http://spaces.msn.com/members/smthng From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 11 08:48:07 2005 Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 05:47:56 -0800 (PST) From: Carl Custer Subject: Fee-ah To: DCCycles Julian Hinted: )B“1984. "The culture of fear". Stay in your homes; consume; reproduce; pay your taxes and die quickly. "More to come"....so, so very wrong.)B” [Carl]: For a good read pick up Michael Crichton)B’s )B“State of Fear” just out last month. It)B’s got a little of everything: Tidal waves, frostbite, web-war, scum sucking lawyers, eco-terrorists, )B“ver-ry special agents”, “zip-sex”, exotic toxins, ritual cannibalism (while the lucky guy is still alive), and the usual technical details that Crichton does so well. OB motorcycle: Rode in today on the )B‘Ceptor. Was going to take Metro but the words )B“Long delays on Metro this morning as the . . .)B” prompted me to stuff my pass away for another day because Ah fee-ah Metro more than mah 21-year old morotcycle. And Saturday, I)B’m flying to San Diego. A fellow geezer is loaning me a motorcycle and about 10 of us are taking a two week trip down Baja way to see whales and other things. You may be envious. I would. Carl in Bethesda Goin)B’ to Baja California Wheah they sleep out ever-ah night. Goin)B’ to Baja California Wheah we)B’ll drink bee-ah ever-ah night. Apologies to Jimmy Rogers But mah words had to take flight. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 11 12:36:45 2005 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 12:36:34 EST Subject: BTDT I know, but... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Once upon a time people on this list suggested a gas (Texaco?) station in MD where I could get my bike and cages inspected. I liked the place and the inspector was an honest to god rider. It is on the west side of the beltway but other then that I will be damned if I can remember where it is. Can someone re-educate me? Thanks, we have another cage that needs inspection. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 11 13:31:05 2005 Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 13:31:02 -0500 From: "Chris Norloff" To: "List-dc cycles" Subject: Rosslyn parking - N. Moore St. ? Hi, what are some of the latest ways to park a motorcycle in Rosslyn? I'm going to 1700 N. Moore St. (between N. Lynn & Ft. Myer Dr., near Wilson Blvd). If I recall correctly, there used to be a number of parking spaces too long for cars -- where one could slip a motorcycle -- along N. Moore St. & N. Lynn. What works now? thanks, Chris From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 11 13:39:15 2005 Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 10:38:52 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: Rosslyn parking - N. Moore St. ? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Chris, just pull into one of the parking garages at 1000 or 1100, (the channel 7 buildings) or 1101 Wilson Blvd (next door to Chipotle). Free motorcycle parking. Just ask the attendant where the MC parking is. No pass needed or anything. Glenn --- Chris Norloff wrote: > Hi, what are some of the latest ways to park a > motorcycle in Rosslyn? I'm going to 1700 N. Moore > St. (between N. Lynn & Ft. Myer Dr., near Wilson > Blvd). > > If I recall correctly, there used to be a number of > parking spaces too long for cars -- where one could > slip a motorcycle -- along N. Moore St. & N. Lynn. > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 11 14:13:08 2005 From: "Sean Steele" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 14:12:57 -0500 Subject: Front brake lever blues Hey all, I have a '92 Seca II. I just replaced the front brake lever (the old one was bent from a spill) and reassembled the front brake cylinder -- and the front brake lever now has no "give" when I squeeze it. It feels tight/stiff and it appears to trigger the rear brake light when at rest. The brakes are not compressed -- the wheel spins freely when the front end is lifted. I went through and made sure I reassembled all the components in the right order and tried the adjusting thumbwheel in every position -- and it still feels wrong. I haven't bled the front brakes or overfilled the brake fluid (and I don't belive either of those could be the problem). Also, the brake light is constantly on. Any ideas? -Sean Alexandria, VA '92 Seca II From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 11 14:31:57 2005 From: "Bruce N" To: "Sean Steele" , Subject: Re: Front brake lever blues Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 14:22:41 -0500 Sounds like it might be the wrong part. Is it a Yamaha part or a cheap knock-off? Did you compare them side-by-side before installing? Look at all the little tabs on the lever near the pivot. It should be easy to see where the brake light switch hits the lever. If you weren't careful it's possible you may have broken the switch when installing the lever. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sean Steele" To: Subject: Front brake lever blues > Hey all, > > I have a '92 Seca II. I just replaced the front brake lever (the old one > was bent from a spill) and reassembled the front brake cylinder -- and > the front brake lever now has no "give" when I squeeze it. It feels > tight/stiff and it appears to trigger the rear brake light when at rest. > > The brakes are not compressed -- the wheel spins freely when the front > end is lifted. > > I went through and made sure I reassembled all the components in the > right order and tried the adjusting thumbwheel in every position -- and > it still feels wrong. I haven't bled the front brakes or overfilled the > brake fluid (and I don't belive either of those could be the problem). > > Also, the brake light is constantly on. > > Any ideas? > > -Sean > Alexandria, VA > '92 Seca II > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 11 15:07:21 2005 Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 15:26:59 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: BTDT I know, but... On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > Once upon a time people on this list suggested a gas (Texaco?) station in MD > where I could get my bike and cages inspected. I liked the place and the > inspector was an honest to god rider. It is on the west side of the beltway but > other then that I will be damned if I can remember where it is. Can someone > re-educate me? > Thanks, we have another cage that needs inspection. I've always recommended Montgomery Village Auto Clinic. I think a couple of people on the list have used them for cars and bikes. Right off Montgomery Village Avenue in G'burg. The owner and all the mechanics were bikers at one time. It's been several years since I spoke to them, but it may be worth a call. -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 11 15:18:14 2005 From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: BTDT I know, but... Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 15:17:19 -0500 I concur. They're about a mile from my house. Good people... >From: Wayne Edelen >To: >Subject: Re: BTDT I know, but... >Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 15:26:59 -0500 (EST) > >On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > > > Once upon a time people on this list suggested a gas (Texaco?) station >in MD > > where I could get my bike and cages inspected. I liked the place and the > > inspector was an honest to god rider. It is on the west side of the >beltway but > > other then that I will be damned if I can remember where it is. Can >someone > > re-educate me? > > Thanks, we have another cage that needs inspection. > >I've always recommended Montgomery Village Auto Clinic. I think a couple >of people on the list have used them for cars and bikes. Right off >Montgomery Village Avenue in G'burg. > >The owner and all the mechanics were bikers at one time. It's been >several years since I spoke to them, but it may be worth a call. > >-- Wayne > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 11 15:37:16 2005 Subject: Helping a fellow lister out Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 15:37:13 -0500 From: "Julian Halton" To: So my friend George has been looking at an '05 R6 for a while now. Thanks to iron discpline budgetting and an x-mas bonus from the powers that be at his work he has a chunk of cash. - off to the dreaded dealership After a few tense bouts of talking interspersed with waiting periods, he is told this: trade in value of '02 R6 with 17,880 miles, a few scuffs new front wheel and new tires ( less than 1000k miles) is $4000.00 because brakes don't bite...maybe rotors need replaced? .This is a shock as recently rebuilt front brake calipers gave a whole new level of feedback on front brakes. KBB or some other site values an O2 r6 in stellar condition at private sale for 5,600, dealer trade in 4,200..still this sounds low. Nevertheless the powers that are in control offer 1000 of MSRP of new R6. What do you all think? Tax, transfer fees and set up and all that seem to come to more than 600 bucks? George is a little unseated by the whole phenomenon From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 11 15:55:40 2005 Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 15:54:51 -0500 To: "Julian Halton" , From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: Helping a fellow lister out At 03:37 PM 1/11/05 -0500, Julian Halton wrote: >What do you all think? Tax, transfer fees and set up and all that seem >to come to more than 600 bucks? George is a little unseated by the whole >phenomenon It sounds like the dealer is offering a fair trade-in, if the site you checked is to be trusted...$200 less for whatever reason (made up brake problem, scuffs, mileage or whatever) isn't much to argue about...and if he really thinks that site is to be trusted and that his bike counts as "stellar condition" he should probably sell it himself and pocket the extra $1600...though it may not be that much if the $1000 off MSRP deal is contingent on the trade-in. I presume he's checked with other dealers so he knows this deal is the best going? What's the tax rate where he's buying this? 2%? 4.5%? Multiply by cost of bike to see what the tax bite is. Transfer fees you can find out by calling DMV, MVA or whatever it's called where he lives. That would mean the rest is "set up". That usually means the cost for a mechanic to uncrate and assemble/adjust the bike...a few hours at most...plus some fluids (oil mostly...a full gas tank is unlikely) and the usual "shop costs" (rags, trash pickup, etc.). $600 may be very reasonable, or not, depending on the tax rate, state registration fees, etc.. For instance, a 5% sales tax on a $10k bike will run you $500 all by itself. Research, compute, decide. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 11 16:01:53 2005 Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 16:01:20 -0500 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: Helping a fellow lister out To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX So, in summary, George is current owner of a 2002 Yam R6 with 17,900 miles, a few scuffs and a brand spanking new front wheel with a million miles on it, 2 new tires but allegedly bad brakes. KBB is 4200 trade, dealer offers an even 4k. Purchase / trade is offered at (MSRP - $1k) + ~$600 for taxes, tags etc... Yamaha.com lists MSRP as a variable of 8399-8499. So, I'll use a middle of the road figure of $8449. $8449 + 600 ------ 9049 -4000 ------ $5049 data points: bike is not pristine. New hoops & front wheel new brakes - questionable feel. Assuming G. owns the bike outright, he's looking at close to 6K out the door by taking the trade deal... or hold out and sell privately, recoup perhaps ~$1500 more. Consider also that the brakes thing might be nothing, or maybe you need some brake work... Does that about sum it up? If so, then George will need to think numbers, not emotion. If it's worth it to him, is a good deal to him and he wants it, then, by golly, it's his money. Dave >- off to the dreaded dealership > >After a few tense bouts of talking interspersed with waiting periods, he >is told this: trade in value of '02 R6 with 17,880 miles, a few scuffs >new front wheel and new tires ( less than 1000k miles) is $4000.00 >because brakes don't bite...maybe rotors need replaced? .This is a shock >as recently rebuilt front brake calipers gave a whole new level of >feedback on front brakes. KBB or some other site values an O2 r6 in >stellar condition at private sale for 5,600, dealer trade in >4,200..still this sounds low. Nevertheless the powers that are in >control offer 1000 of MSRP of new R6. > > >What do you all think? Tax, transfer fees and set up and all that seem >to come to more than 600 bucks? George is a little unseated by the whole >phenomenon > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 11 16:02:08 2005 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: FS - Savage Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 16:00:22 -0500 >From: "Damon Josue" >Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 14:45:03 -0600 > >Anyone know someone who is looking to buy a good starter bike. I'm >looking to sell mine. If you know anyone let me know or if you know a >good website to advertise on let me know. >It's a '01 Suzuki Savage 650. Only has about 4K miles on it. New >Battery. Probably looking to get about $1800 for it. It runs great. Damon was on the list for a little bit. Says he's just not finding the time to ride right now. Please email him, not me, not the list. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 11 17:32:50 2005 Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 14:32:43 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Helping a fellow lister out To: Dave Yates , dc-cycles@XXXXXX 6k is a lot of dough for a 2-year upgrade. --- Dave Yates wrote: > So, in summary, > > George is current owner of a 2002 Yam R6 with 17,900 > miles, a > few scuffs and a brand spanking new front wheel with a > million miles on it, 2 new tires but allegedly bad > brakes. > > KBB is 4200 trade, dealer offers an even 4k. Purchase / > trade is offered at (MSRP - $1k) + ~$600 for taxes, tags > etc... Yamaha.com lists MSRP as a variable of 8399-8499. > > So, I'll use a middle of the road figure of $8449. > $8449 > + 600 > ------ > 9049 > > -4000 > ------ > $5049 > > data points: > bike is not pristine. > New hoops & front wheel > new brakes - questionable feel. > Assuming G. owns the bike outright, he's looking at close > to > 6K out the door by taking the trade deal... > > or > > hold out and sell privately, recoup perhaps ~$1500 more. > Consider also that the brakes thing might be nothing, or > maybe you need some brake work... > > Does that about sum it up? > > If so, then George will need to think numbers, not > emotion. > If it's worth it to him, is a good deal to him and he > wants > it, then, by golly, it's his money. > > Dave > > > > >- off to the dreaded dealership > > > >After a few tense bouts of talking interspersed with > waiting > periods, he > >is told this: trade in value of '02 R6 with 17,880 > miles, a > few scuffs > >new front wheel and new tires ( less than 1000k miles) > is > $4000.00 > >because brakes don't bite...maybe rotors need > replaced? .This is a shock > >as recently rebuilt front brake calipers gave a whole > new > level of > >feedback on front brakes. KBB or some other site values > an > O2 r6 in > >stellar condition at private sale for 5,600, dealer > trade in > >4,200..still this sounds low. Nevertheless the powers > that > are in > >control offer 1000 of MSRP of new R6. > > > > > >What do you all think? Tax, transfer fees and set up > and > all that seem > >to come to more than 600 bucks? George is a little > unseated > by the whole > >phenomenon > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 11 17:38:55 2005 Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 14:38:46 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: BTDT I know, but... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX rick hart, potomac village amoco -- 301 299-8400 --- Perry Coleman wrote: > I concur. They're about a mile from my house. Good > people... > > >From: Wayne Edelen > >To: > >Subject: Re: BTDT I know, but... > >Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 15:26:59 -0500 (EST) > > > >On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > > Once upon a time people on this list suggested a gas > (Texaco?) station > >in MD > > > where I could get my bike and cages inspected. I > liked the place and the > > > inspector was an honest to god rider. It is on the > west side of the > >beltway but > > > other then that I will be damned if I can remember > where it is. Can > >someone > > > re-educate me? > > > Thanks, we have another cage that needs inspection. > > > >I've always recommended Montgomery Village Auto Clinic. > I think a couple > >of people on the list have used them for cars and bikes. > Right off > >Montgomery Village Avenue in G'burg. > > > >The owner and all the mechanics were bikers at one time. > It's been > >several years since I spoke to them, but it may be worth > a call. > > > >-- Wayne > > > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - What will yours do? http://my.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 11 17:41:12 2005 Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 14:41:00 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: BTDT I know, but... To: Tom Gimer , dc-cycles@XXXXXX oh, tell him i sent you and you'll likely get the following response: gimer? i have a message for him.... tell him to f-off! --- Tom Gimer wrote: > rick hart, potomac village amoco -- 301 299-8400 > > > --- Perry Coleman wrote: > > > I concur. They're about a mile from my house. Good > > people... > > > > >From: Wayne Edelen > > >To: > > >Subject: Re: BTDT I know, but... > > >Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 15:26:59 -0500 (EST) > > > > > >On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > > > > Once upon a time people on this list suggested a > gas > > (Texaco?) station > > >in MD > > > > where I could get my bike and cages inspected. I > > liked the place and the > > > > inspector was an honest to god rider. It is on the > > west side of the > > >beltway but > > > > other then that I will be damned if I can remember > > where it is. Can > > >someone > > > > re-educate me? > > > > Thanks, we have another cage that needs inspection. > > > > > >I've always recommended Montgomery Village Auto > Clinic. > > I think a couple > > >of people on the list have used them for cars and > bikes. > > Right off > > >Montgomery Village Avenue in G'burg. > > > > > >The owner and all the mechanics were bikers at one > time. > > It's been > > >several years since I spoke to them, but it may be > worth > > a call. > > > > > >-- Wayne > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The all-new My Yahoo! - What will yours do? > http://my.yahoo.com > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 11 20:29:23 2005 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 20:29:13 EST Subject: Re: BTDT I know, but... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 1/11/2005 5:41:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, t_gimer@XXXXXX writes: > oh, tell him i sent you and you'll likely get the following > response: > > gimer? i have a message for him.... tell him to f-off! > THATS IT!!!!!!!!! Or it sound familiar anyhow. Thanks folks John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 11 20:41:51 2005 From: "Lisa Goddard" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: AMA Pro Racer Jessica Zalusky Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 20:41:22 -0500 has signed with Kawasaki!!! http://www.amasuperbike.com/article.php?UID=mg9uVE54439EoxVwXHmQxMpn6N3mAW&s c=1120&aid=5579 http://venus.roadracingworld.com/roadracingworld/ and http://www.roadracinggirl.com You go girl!!!! Lisa Goddard '95 VFR '97 GSXR 600, track only From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 12 02:21:53 2005 From: Daniel To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: time for a helmet thread Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 02:21:41 -0500 Any opinions on composite vs resin? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 12 10:35:25 2005 Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 10:34:59 -0500 To: Daniel , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: time for a helmet thread At 02:21 AM 1/12/05 -0500, Daniel wrote: > > Any opinions on composite vs resin? Since composite is resin plus reenforcing material (fiberglass, carbon fiber, etc), I'm not sure what you mean here. I've never seen a pure resin helmet, and I doubt any would pass the tests even DOT insists on. As far as helmets go, if it isn't DOT approved, forget it. If it isn't Snell approved, or approved under European standards, it's second rate IMO. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 12 15:52:36 2005 Subject: 14 miles in...... Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 15:52:33 -0500 From: "Julian Halton" To: "Whoa, Whoa, Whoa, Whoa ....sweet child of mine!" George and I had a talk last night, had a think and a meeting of the minds and at approximately 8:20 PM or so, I departed Coleman Powersports with A brand new 2005 R6 with the raven paint scheme. My first five miles were in the rain....on new D218's and new brakes. While my dear red and white will be missed and I did feel a few twitches of regret and sadness but the decision was made. This bike feels a lot different. It is a harder ride. My body is canted more forward and I feel a lot more initial pressure on the bars. From my little trip today up George Mason and down Carlin Springs I can say that the handling is razor-sharp. It is like the bike understands where I want to go and takes corners with far less effort and lean than the 02. I have not changed any of the pre-loads. I have to scrub in the tires, get the brakes broken in and then put my first 1000 miles in for the engine. Stay tuned. I may have George write about the whole buying a first new bike from the dealership experience. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 12 16:00:51 2005 Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 13:00:02 -0800 (PST) From: "James O'Connor" Subject: Re: 14 miles in...... To: Julian Halton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Congrats on the new bike! There was a new R6 with this paint (the red and black, right?) where I park on M Street this morning. Was this you? - Jimmy '03 Rex --- Julian Halton wrote: > with > A brand new 2005 R6 with the raven paint scheme. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 12 16:08:15 2005 Subject: RE: 14 miles in...... Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 16:08:12 -0500 From: "Julian Halton" To: "James O'Connor" , Red and black is an '03 color scheme. I will try and post some picks later. -----Original Message----- From: James O'Connor [mailto:axledeep@XXXXXX] To: Julian Halton; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: 14 miles in...... Congrats on the new bike! There was a new R6 with this paint (the red and black, right?) where I park on M Street this morning. Was this you? - Jimmy '03 Rex --- Julian Halton wrote: > with > A brand new 2005 R6 with the raven paint scheme. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 12 16:22:00 2005 Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 13:21:57 -0800 (PST) From: "James O'Connor" Subject: RE: 14 miles in...... To: Julian Halton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Oh ok, well it sure looked pretty. Had a production date of 11/04, so i figured it was an '05. I just looked on Yam's site and see the bike you have. Very good looking machine! --- Julian Halton wrote: > Red and black is an '03 color scheme. I will try and post some > picks > later. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 12 16:26:01 2005 Subject: RE: 14 miles in...... Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 16:25:51 -0500 From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" To: > James O' wrote: > There was a new R6 with this paint James, the Raven scheme is new to the '05s and is visible here: http://www.yamaha-motor.com/products/unitimage/2/mcy/5/8/0/6785/yamaha_y zf-r6.aspx - it's half flat-black and half gloss. There is also an '05 red and black scheme, also half flat and half gloss. Nowhere near as much "attitude" though. :) >--- Julian Halton wrote: >> with >> A brand new 2005 R6 with the raven paint scheme. Sweet score, Julian! I love that paint scheme. I'd actually consider redoing the FJR that way if it ever got a nasty scuff... Of course, half of that is because there have only ever been TWO FJR color schemes available in the US and they're both rather boring. Anyway... Enjoy the new scoot! What kind of tires did that thing come with? --smthng http://spaces.msn.com/members/smthng From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 12 16:44:27 2005 Subject: RE: 14 miles in...... Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 16:44:25 -0500 From: "Julian Halton" To: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" , Dunlop D218's 120/70 front 180/55 rear Now I need a good alarm system and a tank pad.. Progressive was fair on my policy transfer ..it is an extra $30.00 a month. -----Original Message----- From: Jonathan W. Kalmes [mailto:jkalmes@XXXXXX] To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: 14 miles in...... > James O' wrote: > There was a new R6 with this paint James, the Raven scheme is new to the '05s and is visible here: http://www.yamaha-motor.com/products/unitimage/2/mcy/5/8/0/6785/yamaha_y zf-r6.aspx - it's half flat-black and half gloss. There is also an '05 red and black scheme, also half flat and half gloss. Nowhere near as much "attitude" though. :) >--- Julian Halton wrote: >> with >> A brand new 2005 R6 with the raven paint scheme. Sweet score, Julian! I love that paint scheme. I'd actually consider redoing the FJR that way if it ever got a nasty scuff... Of course, half of that is because there have only ever been TWO FJR color schemes available in the US and they're both rather boring. Anyway... Enjoy the new scoot! What kind of tires did that thing come with? --smthng http://spaces.msn.com/members/smthng From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 12 16:58:05 2005 Subject: RE: 14 miles in...... Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 16:57:53 -0500 From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" To: >Now I need a good alarm system and a tank pad.. >Progressive was fair on my policy transfer ..it is an extra >$30.00 a month. If you can don't mind paying for it, nothing beats a Bagster (IMO). I've had three of them now and swear by them. Much more "grip" available for the knees too. If you find a decent alarm, shoot me a message. I've been looking for one as well, but haven't settled on one. Everything I've seen online is either too cheap to be true or outrageously expensive. --smthng http://spaces.msn.com/members/smthng From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 12 17:09:46 2005 Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 17:29:11 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: RE: 14 miles in...... On Wed, 12 Jan 2005, Julian Halton wrote: > Dunlop D218's > 120/70 front > 180/55 rear > > Now I need a good alarm system and a tank pad.. > Progressive was fair on my policy transfer ..it is an extra $30.00 a > month. I'm using the Tankslapper for tank protection, Julian. After almost 3 yrs, it's holding up great. It's almost invisible and it's cheap (so you can replace it if it gets fucked up). http://www.thetankslapper.biz/ I wash/wax the bike with it on and it keeps my leathers from scuffing the tank. -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 12 17:36:44 2005 Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 14:36:31 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: 14 miles in...... To: Julian Halton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Julian Halton wrote: > Dunlop D218's > 120/70 front > 180/55 rear > > Now I need a good alarm system and a tank pad.. > Progressive was fair on my policy transfer ..it is an > extra $30.00 a > month. only an extra $360 per year to insure the same bike? what a bargain.... sounds like you're happy though. i hope it lasts. am i just now getting that you are the purchaser and "george" was your wallet? > -----Original Message----- > From: Jonathan W. Kalmes [mailto:jkalmes@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 4:26 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: 14 miles in...... > > > James O' wrote: > > There was a new R6 with this paint > James, the Raven scheme is new to the '05s and is visible > here: > http://www.yamaha-motor.com/products/unitimage/2/mcy/5/8/0/6785/yamaha_y > zf-r6.aspx - it's half flat-black and half gloss. There > is also an '05 > red and black scheme, also half flat and half gloss. > Nowhere near as > much "attitude" though. :) > > >--- Julian Halton wrote: > >> with > >> A brand new 2005 R6 with the raven paint scheme. > > Sweet score, Julian! I love that paint scheme. I'd > actually consider > redoing the FJR that way if it ever got a nasty scuff... > Of course, > half of that is because there have only ever been TWO FJR > color schemes > available in the US and they're both rather boring. > Anyway... Enjoy > the new scoot! What kind of tires did that thing come > with? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! http://my.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 12 17:46:17 2005 X-Sasl-enc: 5cA9ro9NT82W4xGxl3b58Q 1105569969 Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 17:46:10 -0500 From: "Louis F. Caplan" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: 14 miles in...... Jonathan W. Kalmes wrote: >>Now I need a good alarm system and a tank pad.. >>Progressive was fair on my policy transfer ..it is an extra >>$30.00 a month. > > > If you can don't mind paying for it, nothing beats a Bagster (IMO). > I've had three of them now and swear by them. Much more "grip" > available for the knees too. I agree, I have the Bagster on my Concours, had it for about 5 or 6 years. It's really great. I use the map pocket the most, but also have a (color matched) tank bag, and the "plug and play" have been great. Louis From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 12 17:56:11 2005 Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 18:15:38 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: 14 miles in...... On Wed, 12 Jan 2005, Louis F. Caplan wrote: > Jonathan W. Kalmes wrote: > >>Now I need a good alarm system and a tank pad.. > > > > If you can don't mind paying for it, nothing beats a Bagster (IMO). > > I've had three of them now and swear by them. Much more "grip" > > available for the knees too. > > I agree, I have the Bagster on my Concours, had it for about 5 or 6 > years. It's really great. I use the map pocket the most, but also have > a (color matched) tank bag, and the "plug and play" have been great. Didn't Julian ask about a tank "pad"? I read that as meaning tank protection, not a tank bag. The Bagster is a tank bag, correct? -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 12 20:12:49 2005 Subject: RE: 14 miles in...... Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 20:12:38 -0500 From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" To: >Didn't Julian ask about a tank "pad"? I read that as meaning >tank protection, not a tank bag. The Bagster is a tank bag, correct? The Bagster "system" is a full tank cover with mounting points for bags. Without the bag, it's just a complete (very nice) PVC leather-looking cover that's padded and custom fit for the tank. The bags pop on within about 20 seconds and easily fold up out of the way for refueling. Bags are available in many different sizes and almost all the components are available in custom colors too. All in all, a very nice system. Not fantastically cheap though. :( --smthng http://spaces.msn.com/members/smthng From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 12 22:06:33 2005 Subject: Re: 14 miles in...... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 22:06:29 -0500 From: "Louis F. Caplan" X-Sasl-Enc: x8jDqxS0A58AdzYocQdgog 1105585589 > > >>Now I need a good alarm system and a tank pad.. > > > > > > If you can don't mind paying for it, nothing beats a Bagster (IMO). > > > I've had three of them now and swear by them. Much more "grip" > > > available for the knees too. > > > > I agree, I have the Bagster on my Concours, had it for about 5 or 6 > > years. It's really great. I use the map pocket the most, but also have > > a (color matched) tank bag, and the "plug and play" have been great. > > Didn't Julian ask about a tank "pad"? I read that as meaning tank > protection, not a tank bag. The Bagster is a tank bag, correct? The Bagster is a system. The basic piece is a full tank cover, with padding. It has "footprints" which you can use to put on a tank bag or a map pocket. The colors are matched to the stock colors of the bike. Some are even multi-colored. You can see some samples at: http://www.bagster.com/en/moto/galerie2.php?id=1 Last year they were at the Int'l Motorcycle show in DC. They may be there this weekend. Louis ======= "Admiral" Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours Fairfax, VA Pls consider helping me support the Pediatric Brain Tumor Foundation: http://www.geocities.com/nighthawk700/rideforkids.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 12 22:16:41 2005 From: Daniel To: "Julian Halton" Cc: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" , Subject: Re: 14 miles in...... Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 22:16:20 -0500 I VERY HIGHLY Recommend you do not keep your new bike out side. A new sport bike sitting outside is like a bombshell nymphomaniac at the seaport of freshly docked sailors.. Rent a storage unit if you have to.. ( if you can afford the upgrade prices, and insurance raises, you can afford a storage unit). If you or a friend lives in a complex where you can rent a garage, Rent the garage, you get some security and a place to work on your bike. Or you and a friend or two can rent a unit together and split the costs. If you're depending on alarms or chains or cables to keep your bike safe, you're really depending on your insurance to pay you back. But will the insurance pay you for that first owner depreciation? Will they pay you for any finance costs? You'll probably be taking some sort of loss even if you get the insurance claim. The list will tell you, out of sight out of mind is the best protection. Theives can't touch what they cna't see. I can tell you from experience it's a very hurtful feeling to come outside and your bike is gone. I've had a bike stolen, and so have A LOT of my friends, and it's waaay too common place in the DC metro area.. A friend of mine moved to florida to do the MMI (?) (motorcycle mechanics institute?) and had his ragedy no 2nd gear 2000 R6 stolen last night. If you ever notice any tampering with your security devices, do not park there any more, they will come back with the right tools for the job next time. - Danny On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 16:44:25 -0500, "Julian Halton" wrote: >Dunlop D218's >120/70 front >180/55 rear > >Now I need a good alarm system and a tank pad.. >Progressive was fair on my policy transfer ..it is an extra $30.00 a >month. > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Jonathan W. Kalmes [mailto:jkalmes@XXXXXX] >Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 4:26 PM >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: RE: 14 miles in...... > >> James O' wrote: >> There was a new R6 with this paint >James, the Raven scheme is new to the '05s and is visible here: >http://www.yamaha-motor.com/products/unitimage/2/mcy/5/8/0/6785/yamaha_y >zf-r6.aspx - it's half flat-black and half gloss. There is also an '05 >red and black scheme, also half flat and half gloss. Nowhere near as >much "attitude" though. :) > >>--- Julian Halton wrote: >>> with >>> A brand new 2005 R6 with the raven paint scheme. > >Sweet score, Julian! I love that paint scheme. I'd actually consider >redoing the FJR that way if it ever got a nasty scuff... Of course, >half of that is because there have only ever been TWO FJR color schemes >available in the US and they're both rather boring. Anyway... Enjoy >the new scoot! What kind of tires did that thing come with? > >--smthng >http://spaces.msn.com/members/smthng > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 12 22:16:48 2005 From: Daniel To: "Julian Halton" Cc: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" , Subject: Re: 14 miles in...... Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 22:16:31 -0500 I VERY HIGHLY Recommend you do not keep your new bike out side. A new sport bike sitting outside is like a bombshell nymphomaniac at the seaport of freshly docked sailors.. Rent a storage unit if you have to.. ( if you can afford the upgrade prices, and insurance raises, you can afford a storage unit). If you or a friend lives in a complex where you can rent a garage, Rent the garage, you get some security and a place to work on your bike. Or you and a friend or two can rent a unit together and split the costs. If you're depending on alarms or chains or cables to keep your bike safe, you're really depending on your insurance to pay you back. But will the insurance pay you for that first owner depreciation? Will they pay you for any finance costs? You'll probably be taking some sort of loss even if you get the insurance claim. The list will tell you, out of sight out of mind is the best protection. Theives can't touch what they cna't see. I can tell you from experience it's a very hurtful feeling to come outside and your bike is gone. I've had a bike stolen, and so have A LOT of my friends, and it's waaay too common place in the DC metro area.. A friend of mine moved to florida to do the MMI (?) (motorcycle mechanics institute?) and had his ragedy no 2nd gear 2000 R6 stolen last night. If you ever notice any tampering with your security devices, do not park there any more, they will come back with the right tools for the job next time. - Danny On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 16:44:25 -0500, "Julian Halton" wrote: >Dunlop D218's >120/70 front >180/55 rear > >Now I need a good alarm system and a tank pad.. >Progressive was fair on my policy transfer ..it is an extra $30.00 a >month. > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Jonathan W. Kalmes [mailto:jkalmes@XXXXXX] >Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 4:26 PM >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: RE: 14 miles in...... > >> James O' wrote: >> There was a new R6 with this paint >James, the Raven scheme is new to the '05s and is visible here: >http://www.yamaha-motor.com/products/unitimage/2/mcy/5/8/0/6785/yamaha_y >zf-r6.aspx - it's half flat-black and half gloss. There is also an '05 >red and black scheme, also half flat and half gloss. Nowhere near as >much "attitude" though. :) > >>--- Julian Halton wrote: >>> with >>> A brand new 2005 R6 with the raven paint scheme. > >Sweet score, Julian! I love that paint scheme. I'd actually consider >redoing the FJR that way if it ever got a nasty scuff... Of course, >half of that is because there have only ever been TWO FJR color schemes >available in the US and they're both rather boring. Anyway... Enjoy >the new scoot! What kind of tires did that thing come with? > >--smthng >http://spaces.msn.com/members/smthng > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 12 23:26:36 2005 Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 23:29:17 -0500 Subject: Helmet thread From: Bob McKeithen To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20040701 (2.0) at filter01.roc.ny.frontiernet.net Mike, Check the most recent issue of Motorcycle Consumer news and the interview with Dr. Harry Hurt regarding DOT vs Snell standards. An eye opener. Bob From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 13 06:56:57 2005 Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 07:16:20 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: 14 miles in...... On Wed, 12 Jan 2005, Louis F. Caplan wrote: > > Didn't Julian ask about a tank "pad"? I read that as meaning tank > > protection, not a tank bag. The Bagster is a tank bag, correct? > > The Bagster is a system. The basic piece is a full tank cover, with > padding. It has "footprints" which you can use to put on a tank bag or > a map pocket. The colors are matched to the stock colors of the bike. > Some are even multi-colored. You can see some samples at: > http://www.bagster.com/en/moto/galerie2.php?id=1 Last year they were > at the Int'l Motorcycle show in DC. They may be there this weekend. Cool, thanks to you and Jonathan for the info. And no offense to those that use them, but man those look horrible. Why would you completely cover your gas tank? It's like putting a bra on the front end of a sportscar... why? -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 13 07:46:45 2005 Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 04:46:02 -0800 (PST) From: Tom De Subject: Fwd: Re: Spring-like weather To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I've done business with Manassass Honda, good people. I've also had work done at MFI (woodbridge), good work. I recommend both shops. I too need to have the water pump looked at and the electrics recall done. but thats not stopping me... ride on! Oh yeah, i'll be at the Show this weekend. I'll probably be bringing my kids so not ride up :(. Tom de '03 > --- Happy Home wrote: > > > Don't I wish! > > > > Like many other new ST1300s, mine had a coolant > leak > > almost from the day > > I bought it. I've been smelling anti-freeze for > > months, and finally, > > around Thanksgiving, I started seeing the > tell-tale > > green blood in my > > parking spaces and the garage floor at home. I > took > > all the plastic off > > to see if it might be something easy. Alas, > appears > > to be the cover > > gasket -- perhaps a design flaw. I took it in > just > > before Christmas to > > Manassass Honda/Susuki for warranty repair (3,588 > > miles on the clock). > > They weren't working the week between Christmas > and > > New Year's Day -- > > haven't yet heard back from them. > > > > Poor timing on my part as I had been talking up > the > > Polar Bear Ride to > > my honey ever since I bought the bike last summer, > > and was in the > > process of assembling the parts to install four > > power outlets, and had > > obtained two electric vests for us. :-/ > > > > Any and all comments solicited and welcome. Would > > you have had it > > worked on someonewhere else? Done it yourself? > > Things to look out for? > > > > Cheers, > > > > Paul > > > > Kirk D. Walter wrote: > > > > > I am going witha couple of buddies from work. I > > went last year and it > > > was pretty good. You can get discount coupons at > > some participating > > > local dealers. I think there is a list on > > www.motorcycleshows.com. > > > > > > Anyone else been taking advantage of the nice > > spring like weather > > > lately? I have been riding as much as possible. > We > > will have to try > > > and get a meeting together this spring once it > > warms up. > > > > > > Kirk Walter > > > Fredericksburg, VA > > > '03 ST1300 > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher" > > > > > To: > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 2:27 PM > > > Subject: DC Bike Show > > > > > > > > >> Anyone going? > > >> > > >> Chris Elledge > > >> Roanoke, VA > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> __________________________________ > > >> Do you Yahoo!? > > >> Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your > mobile > > phone. > > >> http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> The dc-st Mailing List > > >> dc-st@XXXXXX > > >> > > http://mailman.notonthe.net/mailman/listinfo/dc-st > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > The dc-st Mailing List > > > dc-st@XXXXXX > > > > http://mailman.notonthe.net/mailman/listinfo/dc-st > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > The dc-st Mailing List > > dc-st@XXXXXX > > http://mailman.notonthe.net/mailman/listinfo/dc-st > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 13 07:54:08 2005 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 07:53:59 EST Subject: Re: 14 miles in...... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I got a Scorpio Alarm a few months ago and LOVE it. _http://www.scorpioalarms.com/_ (http://www.scorpioalarms.com/) I had my mechanic hook it up but it is supposed to be a very simple install. Ask Roach about them. I think he carries them. Scooter In a message dated 1/12/2005 4:44:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, julian@XXXXXX writes: Dunlop D218's 120/70 front 180/55 rear Now I need a good alarm system and a tank pad.. Progressive was fair on my policy transfer ..it is an extra $30.00 a month. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 13 08:18:06 2005 Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 09:12:02 -0500 From: "De Boeser, Tom" To: DC-CYCLES Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: Spring-like weather Damn i hate not having enough coffee in the morning. Sorry for the junk. Tom de '03 St1300 Tom De wrote: > I've done business with Manassass Honda, good > people. > I've also had work done at MFI (woodbridge), good > work. I recommend both shops. > I too need to have the water pump looked at and the > electrics recall done. > > but thats not stopping me... ride on! > > Oh yeah, i'll be at the Show this weekend. I'll > probably be bringing my kids so not ride up :(. > > Tom de '03 > > > >>--- Happy Home wrote: >> >> >> >>>Don't I wish! >>> >>>Like many other new ST1300s, mine had a coolant >>> >>> >>leak >> >> >>>almost from the day >>>I bought it. I've been smelling anti-freeze for >>>months, and finally, >>>around Thanksgiving, I started seeing the >>> >>> >>tell-tale >> >> >>>green blood in my >>>parking spaces and the garage floor at home. I >>> >>> >>took >> >> >>>all the plastic off >>>to see if it might be something easy. Alas, >>> >>> >>appears >> >> >>>to be the cover >>>gasket -- perhaps a design flaw. I took it in >>> >>> >>just >> >> >>>before Christmas to >>>Manassass Honda/Susuki for warranty repair (3,588 >>>miles on the clock). >>>They weren't working the week between Christmas >>> >>> >>and >> >> >>>New Year's Day -- >>>haven't yet heard back from them. >>> >>>Poor timing on my part as I had been talking up >>> >>> >>the >> >> >>>Polar Bear Ride to >>>my honey ever since I bought the bike last summer, >>>and was in the >>>process of assembling the parts to install four >>>power outlets, and had >>>obtained two electric vests for us. :-/ >>> >>>Any and all comments solicited and welcome. Would >>>you have had it >>>worked on someonewhere else? Done it yourself? >>>Things to look out for? >>> >>>Cheers, >>> >>>Paul >>> >>>Kirk D. Walter wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>I am going witha couple of buddies from work. I >>>> >>>> >>>went last year and it >>> >>> >>>>was pretty good. You can get discount coupons at >>>> >>>> >>>some participating >>> >>> >>>>local dealers. I think there is a list on >>>> >>>> >>>www.motorcycleshows.com. >>> >>> >>>>Anyone else been taking advantage of the nice >>>> >>>> >>>spring like weather >>> >>> >>>>lately? I have been riding as much as possible. >>>> >>>> >>We >> >> >>>will have to try >>> >>> >>>>and get a meeting together this spring once it >>>> >>>> >>>warms up. >>> >>> >>>>Kirk Walter >>>>Fredericksburg, VA >>>>'03 ST1300 >>>> >>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher" >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>To: >>>>Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 2:27 PM >>>>Subject: DC Bike Show >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Anyone going? >>>>> >>>>>Chris Elledge >>>>>Roanoke, VA >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>__________________________________ >>>>>Do you Yahoo!? >>>>>Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your >>>>> >>>>> >>mobile >> >> >>>phone. >>> >>> >>>>>http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo >>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>The dc-st Mailing List >>>>>dc-st@XXXXXX >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>http://mailman.notonthe.net/mailman/listinfo/dc-st >>> >>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>The dc-st Mailing List >>>>dc-st@XXXXXX >>>> >>>> >>>> >>http://mailman.notonthe.net/mailman/listinfo/dc-st >> >> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>The dc-st Mailing List >>>dc-st@XXXXXX >>>http://mailman.notonthe.net/mailman/listinfo/dc-st >>> >>> >>> >> >> > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 13 08:20:14 2005 Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 08:20:10 -0500 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: 14 miles in...... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >And no offense to those that use them, but man those look >horrible. Why would you completely cover your gas tank? >It's like putting a bra on the front end of a sportscar... >why? [Dave] This coming from an Eyeabuser rider ? ;-) car bras at least serve a (debatably) functional purpose, keeping rocks, bugs and other various road debris off the front end. I do have one of the 1/4 tank bras on the zx, it hides some of the scrapes etc. on the back of the tank... At almost 15 years old, there are plenty. Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 13 08:44:17 2005 Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 09:03:41 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: 14 miles in...... On Thu, 13 Jan 2005, Dave Yates wrote: > >And no offense to those that use them, but man those look > >horrible. Why would you completely cover your gas tank? > >It's like putting a bra on the front end of a sportscar... > >why? > > [Dave] This coming from an Eyeabuser rider ? ;-) Hey, at least it's ugly from the factory. I didn't have to do anything to help it along! > car bras at least serve a (debatably) functional purpose, > keeping rocks, bugs and other various road debris off the > front end. They also scratch the paint and cause uneven wear from fading/etc. -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 13 08:50:51 2005 Subject: Re: 14 miles in...... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 08:50:44 -0500 From: "Louis F. Caplan" X-Sasl-Enc: HfBiXRQDH+n1CPqIgWZwBg 1105624244 > And no offense to those that use them, but man those look horrible. Why > would you completely cover your gas tank? It's like putting a bra on the > front end of a sportscar... why? I found that I was scratching the paint on my tank, both with my pants scraping, and with part of my jacket. (When I come to a stop, I have to move up in the seat to get both feet down, otherwise I'm on tip-toes). So that was the initial reason I was looking into a half bra for the Concours. I saw the bagster system, and thought about how often I put on a tank bag just to use the map pocket, and how much of a hassle the harness system was. I thought their attachment system was great, so went with it. Haven't had any regrets. As for the looks, on my bike, I think it looks great, it really matches the color of the bike and blends in. Like everything with bikes, what one person likes, another may not. YMMV, etc. I hope Bagster will be at the Motorcycle show again, I'll try to pick up material about their current status. Speaking of the motorcycle show in DC this weekend, I'll be working at the "Ride for Kids" booth (we get floor space with Cycle World) Sunday from about 10 - 1:30. If any lister is around, stop by and say hi! [and buy some raffle tickets while you are at it... ;-) ] Louis ======= "Admiral" Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours Fairfax, VA Pls consider helping me support the Pediatric Brain Tumor Foundation: http://www.geocities.com/nighthawk700/rideforkids.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 13 08:52:38 2005 Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 08:52:32 -0500 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: 14 miles in...... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Hey, at least it's ugly from the factory. I didn't have to >do anything to help it along! [Dave] You'd think someone would've come up with a 'buser front end bra the same color as a brown paper sack. It could be sold with a like colored helmet cover, much like the former "redskin fan" bags that embarassed fans used to wear at the stadium(s). :-) Of course, if you just ride fast enough, nobody can pay enough attention to worry about how ugly the bikes we're riding (no, I wouldn't be caught on a 'buser) are... :-) Ok, maybe if it was a good bargain... >> >They also scratch the paint and cause uneven wear from >fading/etc. [Dave] I've heard a coupld improvised solutions... saran wrap, contact paper etc. to help with this. Never tried it though. Any truth to those rumors? Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 13 09:47:44 2005 Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 09:46:49 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: Spring-like weather At 07:46 AM 1/13/2005, Tom De wrote: > I've done business with Manassass Honda, good > people. Their parts are priced ridiculously high. Often 200% of what you can find online. They have always done good work for me though. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 13 10:03:47 2005 Subject: RE: 14 miles in...... Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 10:03:44 -0500 From: "Julian Halton" To: , That is the one I was looking at...probably costs a bundle yet. I saw the ad in my favorite and only Bike rag I buy: Bike from the UK. As an aside, the new BMW sport bike was named bike of the year. -----Original Message----- From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX [mailto:ScooterFZR@XXXXXX] To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: 14 miles in...... I got a Scorpio Alarm a few months ago and LOVE it. _http://www.scorpioalarms.com/_ (http://www.scorpioalarms.com/) I had my mechanic hook it up but it is supposed to be a very simple install. Ask Roach about them. I think he carries them. Scooter In a message dated 1/12/2005 4:44:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, julian@XXXXXX writes: Dunlop D218's 120/70 front 180/55 rear Now I need a good alarm system and a tank pad.. Progressive was fair on my policy transfer ..it is an extra $30.00 a month. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 13 10:06:01 2005 Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 07:05:54 -0800 (PST) From: "James O'Connor" Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: Spring-like weather To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I do agree, but aren't all dealers like this? I routinely find the same thing online for half the cost the dealer wants, especially apparel. --- Troutman wrote: > Their parts are priced ridiculously high. Often 200% of what you > can find > online. They have always done good work for me though. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? All your favorites on one personal page )B– Try My Yahoo! http://my.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 13 10:13:32 2005 Subject: Engine Break-In Period Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 10:13:29 -0500 From: "Julian Halton" To: During this period, prolonged full-throttle operation or any condition that might result in engine overheating must be avoided. 0-1000 km (0-600 mi) Avoid prolonged operation above 7000 RPM 1000-1600 km (600-1000 mi) Avoid prolonged operation above 9000 RPM If I take these statements literally I can ride my bike in any RPM range I like so long as I do not operate it for a "prolonged" period of time past these upper limits. REAL WORLD: I have been instructed to not even go above 6000 RPM for the first part of the break-in. I have also had my head filled with the importance of varying the RPMS constantly so in essence, I become a low reving, gear shifting fiend for the first 600. Anyone care to advise me on the correct approach? Thanks -----Original Message----- From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX [mailto:ScooterFZR@XXXXXX] To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: 14 miles in...... I got a Scorpio Alarm a few months ago and LOVE it. _http://www.scorpioalarms.com/_ (http://www.scorpioalarms.com/) I had my mechanic hook it up but it is supposed to be a very simple install. Ask Roach about them. I think he carries them. Scooter In a message dated 1/12/2005 4:44:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, julian@XXXXXX writes: Dunlop D218's 120/70 front 180/55 rear Now I need a good alarm system and a tank pad.. Progressive was fair on my policy transfer ..it is an extra $30.00 a month. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 13 10:30:11 2005 Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 10:30:07 -0500 To: "dc Cycles" From: Troutman Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: Spring-like weather I'm mainly talking about parts, like brake pads, light bulbs, rectifiers, grips, nuts and bolts. I have mail ordered parts from Honda of Milpitas, CA for much less than Manassas Honda would sell to me locally. Including shipping. If I were only looking at 10-15% it would be a no brainer; but 100% higher? With another Honda dealer just down the road in Woodbridge? Nah. And clothing (especially helmets) were much higher at Manassas Honda than the two Winchester dealers (7 and 211) or that Kawi dealer on 50 near Paris, VA. I feel bad for the B&Ms - I'm sure a lot of people go in and try on helmets and gear, then buy online. But that isn't an excuse for Manassas Honda - their prices were high when the WWW was just getting rolling. Of course, I haven't been in there in a while. Last time was for some overpriced fairing bolts. Now that I am doing my own tires at home, plus regular oil, etc...I don't go in very often. Flipped 43k Tuesday at a traffic light. Ahhhh...... At 10:05 AM 1/13/2005, you wrote: >I do agree, but aren't all dealers like this? I routinely find the >same thing online for half the cost the dealer wants, especially >apparel. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 13 10:38:19 2005 Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 07:38:06 -0800 (PST) From: "James O'Connor" Subject: Re: Engine Break-In Period To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I exhausted the internet when I bought my first bike, a new one. In general, two schools of thought: 1) Ride easy for few DOZEN miles and then beging deliberately working the motor. Opening the throttle from low RPMs to lug the motor, Taking RPMs up over most of the tach, Full throttle bursts to seat the rings, etc. There is a website that some riders follow religiously that deals with this. Thought is it seats the rings better, providing a more powerful motor down the road. 2) Ride easy for few HUNDRED miles. Follow manufacturers recommendations. IMO - I'd rather wager on the manufacturer knowing what is best for a street bike that needs to run for many thousands of miles vs. a race tech wanting the most powerful bike after a few seasons on the track. I followed the manufacturers recommendations on both new bikes I've had, but......did change the oil in advance of when the book called for it, did bog the motor a little bit, did run the tach up a little bit just to give it a little workout. I was careful with the brakes the first hundred miles or so, but did give a few powerful pulls of the lever/pedal a few times. I believe I was supposed to stay under 4k RPMs on my ZRX for the first 600 miles. At that RPM in high gear, I was pushing over 70mph, so it wasn't too hard to maintain. After this I was allowed to take it up to 6k RPMs, hehe. Asking for the "Correct Approach" is a can of worms ;) - Jimmy '03 Rex --- Julian Halton wrote: > reving, gear shifting fiend for the first 600. Anyone care to > advise me > on the correct approach? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? All your favorites on one personal page )B– Try My Yahoo! http://my.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 13 11:01:53 2005 Subject: The bike dealership experience Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 11:01:48 -0500 From: "Julian Halton" To: This is a long read..so let me ask my question first. IS there anywhere to go to find the invoice (not MSRP) price of a bike? I have never had a new bike, ever. I had a well-maintained, cared for 2002 Yamaha R6 with almost 18,918 miles on it. I care about his bike and get all my maintenance done at the dealership. Since owning this piece of happiness I have had it knocked over once (outside a restaurant), scuffed up by tank bags, a leaking battery that necessitated a swing arm and battery replacement (paid for by Yamaha) and one drop where all that was replaced was a right front turn signal and the front cowling (George had a slightly scuffed extra piece lying around). This R6 also had a new front wheel (from hitting a large, sharp piece of steel crap protruding from a manhole cover that dented wheel rim), three sets of tires plus three rear tires replaced because of nails. I have now spent more on the bike than what I bought it for. I was the second owner and paid $6,000. After some thought and a dream and some saving discipline, I decide to trade in my well-maintained 02 R6 with for a new one. Here is where the adventure begins.... A week ago, I drop into the dealership where I always servicemy bike at... And talk to a hearty, former Viking looking salesman and ask what a new 2005 R6 (black) would cost OTD. Please include taxes, tags, freight, set up and all that additional nonsense. He is told $9,100 I search the net for some figures on the value of the 02 R6 Low end (trade-in) is $4000 and high end is $5,600. What a difference!! Looked around online at area dealers and was basically quoted same price. I stopped into the dealer on the weekend and decides to bring his bike in for a trade-in appraisal and talk to the team. Tuesday circa 2:00 PM. Ride up to the dealership known as "the dreaded C". I have always been treated exceptionally well by the service team so I am fairly relaxed about the coming events. Good cop salesperson 1 is with a client, so a new sales person jumps in and starts asking for paperwork..( license, registration (3 times) ). Good cop 2 goes out to take a look at the '02 R6...starts it, plays with throttle, brakes, suspension and turns the front end and heads back inside asking me for the key so someone can take it for a test ride. While waiting, I run downstairs to talk with the guys on the service team, After mentioning the purchase, the service writer gets on the horn calls Bad Cop (the guy about to test ride my bike) and says something to the effect that this client is a personal friend. Bad cop is suiting up and getting ready to ride my bike something I am not too pleased about but figure (maybe wrongly) this can't be avoided. Ten minutes pass and bad cop returns, pulling his helmet off and clucking. He looks at me and exclaims " I wouldn't take this on a track, the brakes don't bite.". For the record, I have rode some other R6's, an SV650, an SV-650 S and KLR and I have never felt bitten by brakes. Progressive squeeze means quicker stopping. I show a little feeling and exclaim. "Well, By George! I just paid YOU ALL to have the front brake calipers replaced..I feel a huge difference and a certain MSF instructor friend of mine said he felt a difference as well..PLUS your team qualified the bike as good to go. Bad cop says "let me talk to service". A waiting period begins...Good cop 2 hovers around an starts filling in Good Cop 1 on all the excitement. Bad Cop strides back to the sentencing booth located high and center to survey all the inventory. Another waiting period and bad cop delivers a missive to Good Cop 1. The missive boldly exclaims..... $4000 trade in....minus $1000 off the MSRP if buying today!!!! equals.... $8253 without tags, transfer and $8553 with everything. Wait up, YO!....That initial figure from the former Viking was $9,100 (minus $1000 if you buy today!! equals $8,100). Good cop says not possible, where did I hear this etc... "This must be that Viking dude was already taking $500.00 of the cost of the bike. This is nonsense because this would then make the bike cost $1,100 more than the MSRP for OTD. Goes away to sentencing booth conference. Time is passing. I need to be back at work. Comes back and says I can take $50.00 more off that price. I say let me put a $1000.00 deposit on the bike and I will be back. Dash back to work and frantically e-mail you lot when basically my mind is made up. I return to the dealer around 6:15 PM, in the rain and say "what is your final price?". They say $8503...($403 more than what I "heard the first time. I say...what about the tuition reimbursement coupon for the MSF course??? Good cop 1 says "let me check". "There is nothing to check, that is a promise from you". Much grumbling more waiting and out processing begins. After all this...I ended up paying....$4,303 plus my 02 R6 valued by them at $4000. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 13 11:05:32 2005 Subject: RE: Engine Break-In Period Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 11:05:22 -0500 From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" To: >0-1000 km (0-600 mi) >Avoid prolonged operation above 7000 RPM >1000-1600 km (600-1000 mi) >Avoid prolonged operation above 9000 RPM Evil topic! This one ranks right up there with "what's the best kind oil". You'll get a thousand opinions and most of them will probably be quite vocal about it. :P But, I can tell you what I decided to do for mine and why... Mine has the same breakin recommendations as yours, just different RPMs (6000 & 7000). For the first 100 miles, I ran it real easy, probably not going above 4000 rpm (keep in mind that I have a much shorter rpm range than you - 4000 is still over 60 mph). This gets everything "seated-in" a bit and gets most of the metal "bits" pushed into the oil filter, where they need to stay. Then, I ran it fairly normally until I hit 500 miles, making sure that I occasionally ran it up to the recommended rpm (6000). Avoid sitting at the same RPM... Roll on and off the throttle a bit to vary the RPMs, even on highways. At 500, I did an oil and filter change. For those that think this is extreme, you didn't see what came out. LOTS of metal flake. I'm glad I got it out of there (the shaft drive oil was like metallic silver snot, but chain drivers don't have to worry about that). After that, I just rode like normal, with two differences... Avoid sitting at a constant RPM, and occasionally redline it and run it hard. IMO, the break in is to get the engine cleaned out, seated in, and "polished" for the way it's going to be used. If you plan to occasionally rip up the street, you'd better let the engine know what you expect while it's still settling in. Just my two cents, YMMV. --smthng http://spaces.msn.com/members/smthng From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 13 13:07:51 2005 Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 13:27:13 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: 14 miles in...... On Thu, 13 Jan 2005, Dave Yates wrote: > >Hey, at least it's ugly from the factory. I didn't have to > >do anything to help it along! > > [Dave] You'd think someone would've come up with a 'buser > front end bra the same color as a brown paper sack. It could > be sold with a like colored helmet cover, much like the > former "redskin fan" bags that embarassed fans used to wear > at the stadium(s). :-) :-) After my ride this morning, the bike is brown anyway :-) It's warm, but still wet/dirty out there. > >They also scratch the paint and cause uneven wear from > >fading/etc. > > [Dave] I've heard a coupld improvised solutions... saran > wrap, contact paper etc. to help with this. Never tried it > though. Any truth to those rumors? With the 3M material in made-to-fit kits for cars, bras are pretty much obsolete. Same with bikes, except for those cases where people actually like the way they look. Of course, the 3M stuff for cars is the opposite of bikes... on a bike, a 3M kit is 1/3 or less than the price of a bra. A kit for your car can run $500-$1500 installed, where a bra would likely run you a couple of bills. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 13 13:11:36 2005 Subject: RE: 14 miles in...... Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 13:11:33 -0500 From: "Julian Halton" To: "Wayne Edelen" , The dealers recommended the 3m solution and gave me a number to call of some outfit called Road Works... Is this stuff good or is it basically a film of sticky foo that ends up peeling anyway? -----Original Message----- From: Wayne Edelen [mailto:wayne@XXXXXX] To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: 14 miles in...... On Thu, 13 Jan 2005, Dave Yates wrote: > >Hey, at least it's ugly from the factory. I didn't have to do > >anything to help it along! > > [Dave] You'd think someone would've come up with a 'buser front end > bra the same color as a brown paper sack. It could be sold with a > like colored helmet cover, much like the former "redskin fan" bags > that embarassed fans used to wear at the stadium(s). :-) :-) After my ride this morning, the bike is brown anyway :-) It's warm, but still wet/dirty out there. > >They also scratch the paint and cause uneven wear from fading/etc. > > [Dave] I've heard a coupld improvised solutions... saran wrap, > contact paper etc. to help with this. Never tried it though. Any > truth to those rumors? With the 3M material in made-to-fit kits for cars, bras are pretty much obsolete. Same with bikes, except for those cases where people actually like the way they look. Of course, the 3M stuff for cars is the opposite of bikes... on a bike, a 3M kit is 1/3 or less than the price of a bra. A kit for your car can run $500-$1500 installed, where a bra would likely run you a couple of bills. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 13 13:17:52 2005 Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 13:37:14 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: Engine Break-In Period On Thu, 13 Jan 2005, James O'Connor wrote: > Asking for the "Correct Approach" is a can of worms ;) Well said. :-) Case in point... I rebuilt a SBC 355ci motor recently. It smoked a bit during the first 100 miles, but after a few WOT blasts on the dyno, it started to clean up. On the 3rd pass on the dyno, I cracked the nitrous bottle and sprayed from 3000-6800 rpm. Rings seated, car laid down killer #s, no smoke and still runs great, 2 years later :-) This is a street car making a little over 600hp, currently being used as a daily driver by my friend in VA that bought the car. On my bike and cars, I take it easy for the first 100, then beat the shit out of them :-) I change the oil early... 100 miles, 500 miles, 1000 and then go to my 5000-7500 mile changes with a good synth. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 13 13:24:07 2005 Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 13:43:26 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: RE: 14 miles in...... On Thu, 13 Jan 2005, Julian Halton wrote: > The dealers recommended the 3m solution and gave me a number to call of > some outfit called Road Works... > Is this stuff good or is it basically a film of sticky foo that ends up > peeling anyway? Theres nothing sticky about it. You use a soapy solution to get it in place, squeegee out the liquid and it stays in place. When you want, peel it off, wash away the dirt that's accumulated at the edges and be done. Check that link I posted earlier for Tank Slapper. That's what I used on my tank and they have complete kits for many sportbikes (top/sides/rear of tank and lowers behind the front wheel). -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 13 13:26:56 2005 Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 13:26:49 -0500 From: Paul Wilson To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Engine Break-In Period On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 13:37:14 -0500 (EST), Wayne Edelen wrote: > On Thu, 13 Jan 2005, James O'Connor wrote: > > > Asking for the "Correct Approach" is a can of worms ;) > > Well said. :-) > > Case in point... .. My solution, buy bikes well past their "break-in" period. :) Although my super-annuated '90 KLR still has the "break-in" instructions pasted over the tach. I guess the PO enjoyed the nostalgic reminder, or something. I need to experiment with solvents if I wanna take this sticker off. I've had a bad experience with "Goof-Off" on certain plastics; took the sticker off, as well as part of the substrate. Oh well, the KiLleR is no looker to begin with and the sticker adds to the patina of age. -- Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR - 90 KLR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 13 13:44:01 2005 Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 14:03:24 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen To: DC-Cycles Subject: Removing sticker (was Re: Engine Break-In Period) On Thu, 13 Jan 2005, Paul Wilson wrote: > nostalgic reminder, or something. I need to experiment with solvents > if I wanna take this sticker off. I've had a bad experience with > "Goof-Off" on certain plastics; took the sticker off, as well as part > of the substrate. Oh well, the KiLleR is no looker to begin with and > the sticker adds to the patina of age. Peel off the sticker and use some WD40 to clean off the residue. Finish with a cleaning/polish with Plexus. Be patient with the WD40, don't press hard against the plastic (may scratch). -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 13 14:30:21 2005 Subject: RE: Removing sticker (was Re: Engine Break-In Period) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 14:30:09 -0500 From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" To: "DC-Cycles" >Peel off the sticker and use some WD40 to clean off the >residue. Finish with a cleaning/polish with Plexus. Be >patient with the WD40, don't press hard against the plastic >(may scratch). A hair dryer helps out a fair bit as well. A bit of gentle heat loosens up the adhesive and helps stop the sticker from ripping when you try to pull it off. --smthng http://spaces.msn.com/members/smthng From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 13 14:35:15 2005 Subject: Local lister? Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 14:35:03 -0500 From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" To: "DC-Cycles" Been meaning to post this for a while, but kept forgetting. There's a guy down the road from me who I keep passing but haven't been able to catch yet. He has a fair chunk of "toys" similar to my own... An Avalanche, a sportish-tourer (possibly a Concourse, not sure though) and I believe there's an R1 in the garage too. This is off of Braddock road (don't want to get TOO specific). Is this a lister? Just curious. --smthng http://spaces.msn.com/members/smthng From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 13 14:41:13 2005 Subject: The Show this weekend Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 14:41:10 -0500 From: "Julian Halton" To: "DC-Cycles" Did anyone decide on a time\place to meet. My vote is for Austin Grill but Troutman has the say as he was the first to post up about getting together for chow time before heading out to the show. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 13 14:46:22 2005 Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 14:46:13 -0500 From: Eric Geary To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: The Show this weekend what day you guys going? and the austin grill in springfield? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 13 14:48:58 2005 Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 14:48:51 -0500 From: Paul Wilson To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: The Show this weekend Springfield, where's that, and did they build a convention center there? I assume Julian meant the Austin Grill near 7th and E Sts. On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 14:46:13 -0500, Eric Geary wrote: > what day you guys going? and the austin grill in springfield? > > -- Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR - 90 KLR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 13 14:58:00 2005 Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 14:57:47 -0500 From: Eric Geary To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: The Show this weekend springfield as in northern Virginia, sorry i thought some of you guys lived in NOVA From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 13 14:59:36 2005 Subject: RE: The Show this weekend Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 14:59:24 -0500 From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" To: "DC-Cycles" Stupid question... But is there actually any motorcycle parking around the convention center? --smthng http://spaces.msn.com/members/smthng From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 13 15:01:45 2005 Subject: RE: The Show this weekend Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 15:01:35 -0500 From: "Julian Halton" To: "Eric Geary" , "DC-Cycles" There is an Austin Grill right near the convention center. http://www.austingrill.com/locations/the_Lansburgh.htm -----Original Message----- From: Eric Geary [mailto:eric.geary@XXXXXX] To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: The Show this weekend springfield as in northern Virginia, sorry i thought some of you guys lived in NOVA From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 13 15:21:30 2005 From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: The Show this weekend Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 15:20:20 -0500 Yeah, it's called "Scooter's Place" ;^) Actually, there wasn't any the last time I was down there, but there's been a lot of construction and things have probably changed. Perry >From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" >To: "DC-Cycles" >Subject: RE: The Show this weekend >Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 14:59:24 -0500 > >Stupid question... But is there actually any motorcycle parking around >the convention center? > >--smthng >http://spaces.msn.com/members/smthng > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 13 15:29:53 2005 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 15:29:43 EST Subject: Re: The Show this weekend To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Not any that I've seen. And I would be glad to offer my accomodations if I were going to be around. :-( Sorry folks, the Scooter Garage is closed for the show this year. :-( Scooter In a message dated 1/13/2005 3:21:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, perrycoleman@XXXXXX writes: Yeah, it's called "Scooter's Place" ;^) Actually, there wasn't any the last time I was down there, but there's been a lot of construction and things have probably changed. Perry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 13 15:29:55 2005 Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 15:29:49 -0500 To: "DC-Cycles" From: Troutman Subject: Re: The Show this weekend Doesn't matter to me, I just suggested Hooters next to the DCCC. Austin Grill is fine too. At 02:41 PM 1/13/2005, Julian Halton wrote: >Did anyone decide on a time\place to meet. My vote is for Austin Grill >but Troutman has the say as he was the first to post up about getting >together for chow time before heading out to the show. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 13 15:41:15 2005 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: The Show this weekend Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 15:40:09 -0500 Seem to recall them advertising MC Parking for the show last yr, on the national website. I also seem to recall it being very cold, so I Metro-ed. >From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" >To: "DC-Cycles" >Subject: RE: The Show this weekend >Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 14:59:24 -0500 > >Stupid question... But is there actually any motorcycle parking around >the convention center? > >--smthng >http://spaces.msn.com/members/smthng > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 13 16:07:48 2005 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 16:07:37 EST Subject: Re: Engine Break-In Period To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 1/13/2005 10:14:07 AM Eastern Standard Time, julian@XXXXXX writes: > Anyone care to advise me > on the correct approach? Damn near everyone on the list? I would just ride it like you normally will, unless you normally ride like you are on a race track, then I would cool it a bit. Change the oil when your manual says to, to get the shit out of it. My 200,000+ mile BMW was a demo bike and the shop owner rode it quite a bit, I know for a fact it was "rode hard and put up wet" during the "break in" period and the engine has _never_ been opened. Or do what the owners manual says to do... John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC 1999, Honda ST1100X Pan European 1983, BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles 1976, Honda CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 13 16:16:05 2005 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 16:15:52 EST Subject: Re: Engine Break-In Period To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 1/13/2005 4:13:06 PM Eastern Standard Time, julian@XXXXXX writes: > "put up wet" > Please explain. Oh the kids today... If no one else does I will, _after_ my sarcastic nature has time to settle down... John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 13 16:32:53 2005 Subject: RE: Engine Break-In Period Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 16:32:41 -0500 From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" To: , >> "put up wet" >> Please explain. > >Oh the kids today... > >If no one else does I will, _after_ my sarcastic nature has >time to settle down... Just to save us from whatever might be coming next... :P The original phrase is "rode hard and put away wet", generally referring to horses being ridden too hard and then stopped and stabled without a cool down period or a rub-down. Very bad for horses - chills, cramps, matted coats, etc. Consider taking your bike up to redline for 4 or 5 minutes and then dumping it in a bucket of ice water. Same thing. --smthng http://spaces.msn.com/members/smthng From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 13 16:33:46 2005 Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 16:34:00 -0500 To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: Engine Break-In Period At 04:15 PM 1/13/05 EST, PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: >In a message dated 1/13/2005 4:13:06 PM Eastern Standard Time, >julian@XXXXXX writes: > >> "put up wet" >> Please explain. > >Oh the kids today... Yeah, insufficient exposure to old westerns I guess...and no stables in their neighborhood... You can lead a horse to water...and if you can get him to float on his back, call me! -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 13 16:54:19 2005 Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 16:54:16 -0500 To: "dc Cycles" From: Troutman Subject: Banning VA red light cameras Some on list are for red light cameras, and some against. If you live in VA and feel strongly one way or the other, here you go. >There has never been an opportunity like this before! We actually have a >chance to ban red light cameras in Virginia. > >As of right now, the use of red light cameras (RLCs) faces a time limit of >July 2005. If no new legislation is passed to allow cameras to be used >beyond that date, they will be taken down. > >Delegate Robert Tata recently introduced legislation to keep the cameras >up. If you want to eliminate RLCs from Virginia, now is the time to act! > >Tata's proposal, HB 1558, has been sent to the Committee on Militia, >Police, and Public Safety. Please take the time to contact your Delegate >and the Delegates on this committee, and ask them to oppose this bill. > >For the contact information of your legislator, please visit >http://legis.state.va.us/. > >For the contact information of the members of the Committee on Militia, >Police, and Public Safety, please visit http://tinyurl.com/5cdte. > >Why should RLCs be opposed? Here are just a few reasons: > * Studies show that cameras actually increase the number of crashes at > the intersection. This isn't limited to only rear-end collisions, but all > types. > * RLCs have no proven safety benefit. > * Proven engineering techniques (such as longer yellow light times, > larger and brighter lights, larger sun-blockers, and better lane > division) are ignored in favor of the cameras. The reasoning is that > engineering costs money, while cameras make millions in ticket fines. > >More information on the problems with RLCs as well as suggested solutions >for the problem of red light violations, please visit >www.motorists.org/issues/enforce/index.html. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 13 18:01:51 2005 Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 18:01:40 -0500 From: Aaron Maurer To: rich hall Subject: Re: The Show this weekend Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I almost hate to suggest it, but Coleman's apparently has $2 off coupons if you stop by the store. Also, the Coleman's website (the dorkily-named http://www.wherethepoweris.com/) has a link to buy "etickets." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 13 18:52:13 2005 From: "Rob Sharp" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Brakes Question Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 18:59:29 -0500 Ok so I installed dual SS brake lines on my VFR (front brakes only). During this process I f'd up the right caliper (right if your sitting on the bike). So as a result I got a whole new caliper. So I got the system bleed and it's super duper stiff now (which is good, I am confident there is no air in the system). However the right caliper (new one) is now scraping the rotor when I am not braking. I have checked to make sure the springs (two springs total, one to stop pad chatter and one to push back the pad when not braking.) are installed correctly. I am kind of at a loss for what to do to fix this. I was given the advice that maybe the caliper isn't centered over the rotor and it scraping because of that. My question is does this seem plausible and is there some procedure for making sure it's centered? Another note: I used the old brake pads from the busted caliper because they had a lot of pad left and I didn't feel they needed to be replaced. Thanx in advance. Rob -- Rob Sharp rob@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 13 19:03:12 2005 From: "Rob Sharp" To: Aaron Maurer , rich hall Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: The Show this weekend Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 19:10:27 -0500 On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 18:01:40 -0500, Aaron Maurer wrote > I almost hate to suggest it, but Coleman's apparently has $2 off > coupons if you stop by the store. Also, the Coleman's website (the > dorkily-named http://www.wherethepoweris.com/) has a link to buy > "etickets." I think that domain is pretty catchy. . . Rob -- Rob Sharp rob@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 13 19:05:32 2005 Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 16:05:09 -0800 (PST) From: "James O'Connor" Subject: Re: Brakes Question To: DC-Cycles By scraping, do you mean light dragging or something signifcant enough slow the bike down? Light dragging is often normal with newer brake systems on bikes. I'm not sure how sophisticated bike brake systems are, but with cages, you're supposed to replace both calipers if one fails. If your calipers work off each other, the old one may have something to do with the new one not releasing all the way. Or, maybe new one is just newer than the old one and keeps pad closer to rotor? Just some ideas........... - Jimmy --- Rob Sharp wrote: > However the right caliper (new one) is now scraping the rotor when > I am not > braking. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 13 19:53:41 2005 From: "Rob Sharp" To: "James O'Connor" , DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Brakes Question Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 20:00:56 -0500 I mean a very light dragging that isn't really noticable except it makes noise. The 96 VFR isn't as sophisticated as the new VFR's with ABS or linked brakes. Each caliper is going directly to the master cylinder. Previously both calipers fed of one connection to the master cylinder which is stock with the VFR. I replaced the caliper not because of wear, but because I snapped the bleeder valve off in the caliper body and chewed it up pretty bad tring to get it out. I would rather not replace the older caliper because they are 180 bux. Rob On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 16:05:09 -0800 (PST), James O'Connor wrote > By scraping, do you mean light dragging or something signifcant > enough slow the bike down? Light dragging is often normal with newer > brake systems on bikes. I'm not sure how sophisticated bike brake > systems are, but with cages, you're supposed to replace both calipers > if one fails. If your calipers work off each other, the old one may > have something to do with the new one not releasing all the way. Or, > maybe new one is just newer than the old one and keeps pad closer to > rotor? Just some ideas........... > - Jimmy > > --- Rob Sharp wrote: > > However the right caliper (new one) is now scraping the rotor when > > I am not > > braking. > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more. > http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 -- Rob Sharp rob@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 13 19:58:43 2005 Subject: RE: Brakes Question Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 19:58:29 -0500 From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" To: "Rob Sharp" , "DC-Cycles" >However the right caliper (new one) is now scraping the rotor >when I am not >braking. If the front wheel is drivable, it's probable that the pads just haven't "seated in". I'd take it for a real short ride around the block. Start with some real easy stops, slowly working up to harder and harder one. If nothing feels really odd, you'll probably notice the "scrape" decreasing as the pads settle. It shouldn't take long at all. I might want to wait until it's daylight though... Just in case it is something a bit more severe. --smthng http://spaces.msn.com/members/smthng From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 13 20:21:10 2005 From: Rich Westbrook Subject: Re: The Show this weekend Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 20:21:01 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX What day are you planning to meet? I can't do it on Saturday but If anyone is planning on going Sunday, I'm up for meeting somewhere. On Jan 13, 2005, at 6:01 PM, Aaron Maurer wrote: > I almost hate to suggest it, but Coleman's apparently has $2 off > coupons if you stop by the store. Also, the Coleman's website (the > dorkily-named http://www.wherethepoweris.com/) has a link to buy > "etickets." > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 13 21:35:25 2005 From: "Gary Keim" To: Subject: Fw: [ABATE] Speaking of AMA Justice for All.... Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 21:35:11 -0500 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas H. Keyworth" To: "ABATE Discussion" Subject: [ABATE] Speaking of AMA Justice for All.... > Just out, from AMA's 'New & Notes': > ------------------------------- > A Pennsylvania General Assembly bill to increase penalties for careless > driving when someone is injured or killed has cleared and been signed into > law by the Governor Edward Rendell. The measure, HB-873, received final > approval in the House by a 192-2 vote on November 21. ABATE of PA was the > driving force in getting the bill passed, backed by the AMA, as part of the > AMA's national Justice for All campaign that seeks increased penalties for > those who kill or injure vulnerable road users, including motorcyclists and > bicyclists. > > Under the new law, drivers convicted of careless driving when the offender > unintentionally causes the death of another person face increased fines of > $500 and a six-month drivers license suspension. A careless driving offense > that results in serious bodily injury to another person carries a $250 fine > and three-month license suspension. > > Under current law, a careless-driving conviction results in a $25 fine plus > costs and fees, as well as three points off a person's license. No further > penalties currently exist if a death or serious injury results from a > careless-driving violation. > > The bill is the latest victory for motorcyclists in efforts nationwide to > increase penalties for drivers who injure or kill vulnerable road users, and > to educate drivers to share the road. Similar laws have been passed in > Washington New York, Virginia, North Carolina, Washington, and > Massachusetts. > > The AMA's national Justice for All campaign focuses on the inadequate > sentencing of drivers who kill or seriously injure others on the road. The > campaign seeks to get three measures passed in all 50 states. Those measures > will: increase penalties, including jail time, for those who commit > manslaughter with a motor vehicle; impose fines and drivers license > suspensions on drivers who commit traffic offenses that injure or kill > others; and get motorcyclist-awareness instruction included in each state's > driver-education program. To learn more about the AMA Justice for All > program, go to the Justice for All page. Or contact AMA Grassroots Manager > Terry Lee Cook at (614) 856-1900. ext. 1288; or by e-mail at > tcook@XXXXXX. > ------------------------------- > > -T > =========================== > Thomas H. Keyworth > http://www.keyworth.net > http://www.district37ama.org > http://www.jpt-promotions.com > http://www.wallyscycleworld.com > =========================== > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Barbara Kennedy > To: ABATE Discussion > Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 10:46 AM > Subject: [ABATE] Re: CALIFORNIA LOGISTICS 101 > > > Hi Jean ... thanks for clarifying the facts behind the discussion about > moving the office - I was not aware of the lease coming up for renewal. > Carol should be the one to determine where the office is located as long as > a reasonable rental could be found. It is wonderful that she would be open > to relocating to Victorville. I think we all owe her a debt of gratitude > for all the work she does for ABATE. I want to say hi to Melissa as well - > both she an I are up here in far Northern and rural California. If you have > never been up in this neck of the woods you probably do not realize the > problems that the road systems and distance create in trying to communicate > and get people to attend meetings. Of course this does not explain why > meetings in the Bay Area are so poorly attended (no knock intended on those > of you who do attend!!!). I don't think that we should give up on Northern > California, but I concur with Jean in the concern that even if we did have > meetings in the northern part of the state they would be poorly attended - > it is a real challenge to discover what will motivate our northern > "brothers/sisters" to get active. I hate to say it, but I don't think > helmet repeal will be the issue - not that we should give up on it. > However, I think something like the "Justice for All" program would be more > visible and tap into the safety theme that seems to get people to listen. > The AMA program depends on activists in each state to take up the issue - > the AMA is not doing anything without local activists taking up the issue > with their legislators. Most bikers know some other biker that has been > injured/killed by a car driver and so I think this issue could really draw > people into ABATE and increase our attendance, more so than just moving > around our meetings. > > Jean Hughes <1harleymom@XXXXXX> wrote: > The lease on the State office is up in September, and they are going to > jack the rent way up...that is the impetus for getting us moved...Carol > is > willing to go the Victorville, high desert way because that works for > her > family...Sacramento would make the most sense...but isn't critical, and > Carol doesn't want to live here...it doesn't really matter where the > office > is...because the meetings move anyway. One thing i do have to say...i > have > gone to meetings all over the State for the past several years... and > unfortunately, when we have meetings in the north...most of the northern > folks still don't show up...so, i say, go ahead and look in an area that > we > can afford, where Carol wants to live...jean > > > > > > **************************************************************************** > > > > **************************************************************************** > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 14 04:44:46 2005 Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 01:44:13 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Brakes Question To: Rob Sharp , DC-Cycles --- Rob Sharp wrote: > I mean a very light dragging that isn't really noticable > except it makes noise. that sound was being made before you replaced the caliper. just make sure the system hasn't been overfilled.... > The 96 VFR isn't as sophisticated as the new VFR's with > ABS or linked brakes. > Each caliper is going directly to the master cylinder. > Previously both > calipers fed of one connection to the master cylinder > which is stock with the > VFR. > > I replaced the caliper not because of wear, but because I > snapped the bleeder > valve off in the caliper body and chewed it up pretty bad > tring to get it out. > I would rather not replace the older caliper because they > are 180 bux. > > Rob > > On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 16:05:09 -0800 (PST), James O'Connor > wrote > > By scraping, do you mean light dragging or something > signifcant > > enough slow the bike down? Light dragging is often > normal with newer > > brake systems on bikes. I'm not sure how sophisticated > bike brake > > systems are, but with cages, you're supposed to replace > both calipers > > if one fails. If your calipers work off each other, > the old one may > > have something to do with the new one not releasing all > the way. Or, > > maybe new one is just newer than the old one and keeps > pad closer to > > rotor? Just some ideas........... > > - Jimmy > > > > --- Rob Sharp wrote: > > > However the right caliper (new one) is now scraping > the rotor when > > > I am not > > > braking. > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. > Learn more. > > http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 > > > -- > Rob Sharp > rob@XXXXXX > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 14 05:24:38 2005 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 05:24:27 EST Subject: Re: Brakes Question To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 1/13/2005 6:52:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, rob@XXXXXX writes: > I have checked to make sure the springs (two springs total, one to > stop pad chatter and one to push back the pad when not braking.) are > installed > correctly. I think the advice you have already gotten is likely all you need and covers your problem. BUT just in case... I do not have one of your calipers sitting in my hand so I could be wrong but I have rebuilt _many_ calipers on many different bikes and have replaced lord knows how many pads. I have _never_ seen a spring to push the piston(s) or the pad back. There are anti chatter springs to keep tension on the pads to keep them from squealing but there is nothing to push the pads back (they usually touch the rotor all the time, hence the mention of some noise being normal in a prior post) What pulls the piston back is flex in the O ring between the caliper and the piston, just a few thousandths of an inch is all it takes. If you have installed one of the anti chatter springs in such a way as to push the pad back then I would bet ($.02?) that the spring is causing excess noise. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC 1999, Honda ST1100X Pan European 1983, BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles 1976, Honda CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 14 08:26:27 2005 Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 05:26:19 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: Fw: [ABATE] Speaking of AMA Justice for All.... To: Gary Keim , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Gary Keim wrote: > > > > Under the new law, drivers convicted of careless > driving when the offender > > unintentionally causes the death of another person > face increased fines of > > $500 and a six-month drivers license suspension. A > careless driving > offense > > that results in serious bodily injury to another > person carries a $250 > fine > > and three-month license suspension. > > > > Under current law, a careless-driving conviction > results in a $25 fine > plus > > costs and fees, as well as three points off a > person's license. No further Better than it was, but still pretty weak. ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 14 08:33:53 2005 Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 08:33:49 -0500 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: Fw: [ABATE] Speaking of AMA Justice for All.... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX It never ceases to amaze me how someone who kills using a ( won't say it - it rhymes with "bun" ) gets EXTRA time for killing, but do them in with a 5 thousand pound lead sled, and get a fine, some points, maybe higher insurance. Like Archie Bunker said 'Would yas rather they was killed wit hammers?' Dave >> > Under current law, a careless-driving conviction >> results in a $25 fine >> plus >> > costs and fees, as well as three points off a >> person's license. No further > > > >Better than it was, but still pretty weak. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 14 08:41:17 2005 Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 05:41:09 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: Fw: [ABATE] Speaking of AMA Justice for All.... To: Dave Yates , dc-cycles@XXXXXX You get the extra time for having the bun, not necessarily using it. If you hate the person based upon their race or ethnicity vs. what they did to your wife or how they ripped you off, then you get extra time as well. My wife was in court last week. She got a citizens warrant against a woman who tried to run her off the road last Sept. The judge really wanted to slam the woman, but with only the two versions of the testimony, he could not find her guilty. He told her that if he had, she would be in jail. It is sad that PA's "beefed up" law is still weaker than our existing law. Todd --- Dave Yates wrote: > It never ceases to amaze me how someone who kills > using a ( > won't say it - it rhymes with "bun" ) gets EXTRA > time for > killing, but do them in with a 5 thousand pound lead > sled, > and get a fine, some points, maybe higher insurance. > > > Like Archie Bunker said 'Would yas rather they was > killed wit > hammers?' > > Dave > > > >> > Under current law, a careless-driving > conviction > >> results in a $25 fine > >> plus > >> > costs and fees, as well as three points off a > >> person's license. No further > > > > > > > >Better than it was, but still pretty weak. > > ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 14 09:03:26 2005 Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 09:03:19 -0500 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: Fw: [ABATE] Speaking of AMA Justice for All.... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >You get the extra time for having the bun, not >necessarily using it. [Dave] Not necessarily even having one! VA Appeals Court recently ruled that you may be convicted of having a 'bun' by "implied possession" so if you have your hand in your jacket pocket and it looks like there's a 'bun' in there, bam - extra years. >If you hate the person based >upon their race or ethnicity vs. what they did to your >wife or how they ripped you off, then you get extra >time as well. [Dave] yeah, but only for protected classes of people... gotta love that. >My wife was in court last week. She got a citizens >warrant against a woman who tried to run her off the >road last Sept. The judge really wanted to slam the >woman, but with only the two versions of the >testimony, he could not find her guilty. He told her >that if he had, she would be in jail. It is sad that >PA's "beefed up" law is still weaker than our existing >law. [Dave] I'm truly sorry your wife wasn't (as) successful (as I would like to have seen it). Kudos to her for going the extra mile. You're right, there are some really weak laws out there, and still quite a few people who, upon hearing of a moto-accident blurt out "it's their fault, they were on a motorcycle". I've heard it right in my office - only once. Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 14 09:29:58 2005 Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 06:29:51 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: Fw: [ABATE] Speaking of AMA Justice for All.... To: Dave Yates , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Dave Yates wrote: > >You get the extra time for having the bun, not > >necessarily using it. > > [Dave] Not necessarily even having one! VA Appeals > Court > recently ruled that you may be convicted of having a > 'bun' > by "implied possession" so if you have your hand in > your > jacket pocket and it looks like there's a > 'bun' in > there, bam - extra years. > > Interesting, had not heard that. > You're right, there are some really weak laws out > there, and > still quite a few people who, upon hearing of a > moto-accident > blurt out "it's their fault, they were on a > motorcycle". > I've heard it right in my office - only once. > > > Dave Yates > I was half expecting to see that in court. Had that been presented and excepted by the judge, this issue would not be over now, I would be persuing it further. As it stands, the woman had to pay for a lawyer and miss two days of work and endure the stress of possible jail time and fines. If anyone wants a new waypoint to add to their riding route when accompanied with loud Harleys or squids, let me know. :>) I thought about joining some stunter forums and posting a great cul-de-sac for burnouts and stoppies. ;) Todd ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - What will yours do? http://my.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 14 11:33:46 2005 Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 11:33:05 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: Fw: [ABATE] Speaking of AMA Justice for All.... At 05:26 AM 1/14/05 -0800, Todd Withrow wrote: > >--- Gary Keim wrote: >> > >> > Under the new law, drivers convicted of careless >> driving when the offender >> > unintentionally causes the death of another person >> face increased fines of >> > $500 and a six-month drivers license suspension. A >> careless driving offense >> > that results in serious bodily injury to another >> person carries a $250 fine >> > and three-month license suspension. >Better than it was, but still pretty weak. I agree. It's an improvement, but not enough. Killing someone through negligence and all the state does to you is fine you the equivalent of 2 weeks pay at minimum wage? Teddy Kennedy could drive off a bridge every day at that rate.... Of course, in most cases there will be a civil suit for wrongful death that will cost a whole heck of a lot more a few years later (if everyone stays alive long enough for the court system to plod through the process), but for an uninsured motorist with no personal assets, that's not a big worry. Jail time might get their attention better...or at least keep them off the streets for a while. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 14 11:45:37 2005 Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 11:44:03 -0500 From: skip CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Engine Break-In Period "Jonathan W. Kalmes" wrote: > > >> "put up wet" > >> Please explain. > > > >Oh the kids today... > > > >If no one else does I will, _after_ my sarcastic nature has > >time to settle down... > > Just to save us from whatever might be coming next... :P > > The original phrase is "rode hard and put away wet", generally referring > to horses being ridden too hard and then stopped and stabled without a > cool down period or a rub-down. Very bad for horses - chills, cramps, > matted coats, etc. > > Consider taking your bike up to redline for 4 or 5 minutes and then > dumping it in a bucket of ice water. Same thing. also used to describe certain women, often seen in bars. --skip, a little bitter this morning From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 14 11:51:59 2005 Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 11:51:49 -0500 From: Paul Wilson To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Fw: [ABATE] Speaking of AMA Justice for All.... On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 11:33:05 -0500, Mike B. wrote: > At 05:26 AM 1/14/05 -0800, Todd Withrow wrote: > > > >--- Gary Keim wrote: > >> > > >> > Under the new law, drivers convicted of careless > >> driving when the offender > >> > unintentionally causes the death of another person > >> face increased fines of > >> > $500 and a six-month drivers license suspension. A > >> careless driving offense > >> > that results in serious bodily injury to another > >> person carries a $250 fine > >> > and three-month license suspension. > > >Better than it was, but still pretty weak. > > I agree. It's an improvement, but not enough. Killing someone through > negligence and all the state does to you is fine you the equivalent of 2 > weeks pay at minimum wage? ... Yeah, $500, about the cost of a few unpaid, fine-doubled parking tickets in DC. That'll get the road menaces to take notice and clean up their acts. Yessirree. The problem is that our society is all too accepting of the notion that "shit happens" when it comes to motor vehicles, as if it were some sort of law of nature, unaffected by human behavior, that ~40k Americans a year die on the highways. Until that changes these laughable "tougher" fines and suspensions are going to be the norm. No wonder it passed 192-2; it's pure tokenism. -- Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR - 90 KLR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 14 11:57:22 2005 Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 11:57:12 -0500 From: Paul Wilson To: DC-Cycles , Julian Halton Subject: MC show: what's the plan? I've seen ideas bandied about, but no one's called it yet. How about Austin Grill (750 E St. NW) noonish, eat, drink, then head to the Convention Center? I'll probably be riding Metro, or walking over. Hardly worth firing up a bike to ride it a mile-and-a-half. Remember to bring cash (preferably exact change - $12) for the show admission. No credit cards accepted. -- Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR - 90 KLR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 14 11:57:48 2005 Subject: RE: MC show: what's the plan? Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 11:57:45 -0500 From: "Julian Halton" To: "Paul Wilson" , "DC-Cycles" That sounds great! -----Original Message----- From: Paul Wilson [mailto:dcmcrider@XXXXXX] To: DC-Cycles; Julian Halton Subject: MC show: what's the plan? I've seen ideas bandied about, but no one's called it yet. How about Austin Grill (750 E St. NW) noonish, eat, drink, then head to the Convention Center? I'll probably be riding Metro, or walking over. Hardly worth firing up a bike to ride it a mile-and-a-half. Remember to bring cash (preferably exact change - $12) for the show admission. No credit cards accepted. -- Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR - 90 KLR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 14 11:58:54 2005 Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 08:58:47 -0800 (PST) From: Carl Custer Subject: Brakes Question To: rob@XXXXXX, DCCycles Rob Summarized: " . . . however the right caliper (new one) is now scraping the rotor when I am not braking. I have checked to make sure the springs (two springs total, one to stop pad chatter and one to push back the pad when not braking.) are installed correctly. I am kind of at a loss for what to do to fix this. I was given the advice that maybe the caliper isn't centered over the rotor and it scraping because of that. My question is does this seem plausible and is there some procedure for making sure it's centered?" [Carl]: Two things can cause pads to scrape: 1. Stuck caliper pistons (Clean 'em with 3M green wool every time you change pads) 2. The pin the calibper slices back and forth on is gummed up. (On some calipers it's not very obvious because it's hidden by a grunge-avoiding black polymer boot. Pry the boot off, slide the caliper off, clean the pin and caliper-housing hole, lube both, and replace). 3. (bonus) A twig or pebble twixt a pad and the caliper. (Have bike towed to a dealer for $ervice or --if-- you're a hightly trained and qualified motorcycle mechanic, remove the offending bit.) Another Subject: Nyah-Nyah, I'm going and yer not: Saturday morning I'm flying to Sandy Eggo to meet with 10 other "Prostrate enlarged Geezers". A SabMag buddy is loaning bikes to four of us easterners. Here's Pete's version: I'm picking up the easterners from the airport Saturday by early afternoon. I think I will pick up first Bob and Norm. Then there is a gap and I'll pick up Carl, Jim, and Tom. Most bike loading will be done on Sunday. We expect to leave for a Sunday nights camp in the ORV park at Ocotillo Wells at 2Pm. We will be in the Camp ground at 4 to 4:40pm. I'm getting two rooms to house the folks for Saturday night. Monday morning we will cross the border at Tecate at 11 AM. The adventure begins! what would the weather be like???? I say it will be in the low 50s at night and high 60 during the day. I don't see any rain for at least a week. Saturday the 15th.......................Arrival of Sunday......................................Pack up and test camp Ca Desert Monday the 17th....Leave for Mex...spending the night at the Hostel CC Tuesday ............................................ Bahia de los Angeles Wednesday.........................(whale watching base camp) Guerro Negra Thursday...................................................Whale Watching Friday....................................................... " " Saturday.....................................................San Ignacio & Mulege Sunday.................................................................Loreto Monday................................................Maybe fishing or Maybe Cabo Tuesday the 25th.........................................More sight seeing. Wednesday.....................................................Whatever Thursday....................................................More whatever Friday ........................................................return to Ca Feel free to express your envy. Carl (Packed) in Bethesda __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 14 12:00:56 2005 Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 12:00:49 -0500 From: Paul Wilson To: Julian Halton Subject: Re: MC show: what's the plan? Cc: DC-Cycles Oh, that would be Saturday, by the way. On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 11:57:45 -0500, Julian Halton wrote: > That sounds great! > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Wilson [mailto:dcmcrider@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, January 14, 2005 11:57 AM > To: DC-Cycles; Julian Halton > Subject: MC show: what's the plan? > > I've seen ideas bandied about, but no one's called it yet. How about > Austin Grill (750 E St. NW) noonish, eat, drink, then head to the > Convention Center? I'll probably be riding Metro, or walking over. > Hardly worth firing up a bike to ride it a mile-and-a-half. > > Remember to bring cash (preferably exact change - $12) for the show > admission. No credit cards accepted. > -- > Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org > 95 VFR - 90 KLR > > -- Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR - 90 KLR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 14 12:06:57 2005 Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 12:06:48 -0500 To: "dc Cycles" From: Troutman Subject: RE: MC show: what's the plan? DON'T buy your tickets at the show - the line is ridiculous. Buy them online. I'm getting a sub-group together, and should be riding in at noon to meet you all at the Austin Grill, but no guarantees. At 11:57 AM 1/14/2005, you wrote: >Remember to bring cash (preferably exact change - $12) for the show >admission. No credit cards accepted. >-- >Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org >95 VFR - 90 KLR ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 14 12:07:33 2005 Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 09:07:26 -0800 (PST) From: "James O'Connor" Subject: Re: Fw: [ABATE] Speaking of AMA Justice for All.... To: DC-Cycles Agree 100%! I have had this underlying thought for years, but never turned it into words. Thanks. Too many people just accept....and support....the notion that shit happens. Gets a lot of "non-thinkers" off the hook. Boo. - Jimmy --- Paul Wilson wrote: > The problem is that our society is all too accepting of the notion > that "shit happens" when it comes to motor vehicles, as if it were > some sort of law of nature, unaffected by human behavior, that ~40k > Americans a year die on the highways. Until that changes these > laughable "tougher" fines and suspensions are going to be the norm. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 14 12:57:12 2005 Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 12:56:45 -0500 From: Eric Geary To: dc Cycles Subject: Re: MC show: what's the plan? any1 from the northern virginia area going in? i really dont know my way around in there was hoping to tail someone in From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 14 13:57:04 2005 Subject: For Sale 2002 Red\White Parts Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 13:56:41 -0500 From: "Julian Halton" To: "DC-Cycles" I have some parts to sell: Front wheel ( small dent in rim) Front upper fairing Left side upper fairing Rear section Pics at www.ironstride.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 14 14:11:28 2005 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 14:10:56 EST Subject: Re: Engine Break-In Period To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 1/14/2005 12:16:42 PM Eastern Standard Time, skip@XXXXXX writes: > > also used to describe certain women, often seen in bars. You mean ones who run you at redline for 4 or 5 minutes then dump ice on you? > > Consider taking your bike up to redline for 4 or 5 minutes and then > > dumping it in a bucket of ice water. Same thing. > John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 14 14:29:19 2005 Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 14:27:24 -0500 From: skip To: Del_Black@XXXXXX Subject: hb1558 -- Red Light Camera sundown Delegate Black, I'm writing you today to urge you to allow the Red Light Camera bill expire. It has been demonstrated in numerous studies that red light cameras don't improve safety; in fact, they have a tendency to DECREASE safety by increasing accidents! I have included some links that I found to studies supporting this statement at the end of this letter. With the position that red light cameras increase safety in serious doubt, the question becomes one of, "Why put up red light cameras?" The most obvious answer is, "revenue." It is disgusting to me that red light cameras are being used as a revenue source by the local governments while being misrepresented as an effective way to increase safety. I sincerely hope that it offends you also. VDOT has a duty to provide safe highways, and no one would dispute that they do a good job. Why, then, would they not be directed to take some of the measures that have demonstrated marked reductions in red light running, and in accidents? Again, the obvious answer is revenue. Increasing yellow light duration has been demonstrated to reduce accidents in the intersection (the objective of the red light cameras), rear-end accidents (the unintended consequence of red light cameras), as well as instances of motorists running red lights. Please, Mr. Black, take a stand on the side of safety and in the interest of government with integrity, and vote against HB1558. Respectfully, Arthur Smith 733 Sugarland Run Dr Sterling, VA. 20164 Links regarding red light cameras increasing accidents: http://www.motorists.com/issues/enforce/Burkey_Obeng_Updated_Report_2004.pdf http://www.motorists.com/issues/enforce/95aussie.pdf http://www.general.monash.edu.au/muarc/rptsum/es73.htm http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=27&article_id=2843 Links regarding ways to increase traffic safety by reducing red light running: http://scholar.lib.vt.edu/theses/available/etd-06242004-230619/unrestricted/Thesis_3.pdf (section 1.4.1) http://goldwaterinstitute.pjdoland.com/pdf/materials/35.pdf http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/001/079bkyhi.asp http://www.motorists.com/issues/enforce/studies/TRB2004-000679.pdf From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 14 14:36:17 2005 Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 14:34:28 -0500 From: skip CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Engine Break-In Period PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > > In a message dated 1/14/2005 12:16:42 PM Eastern Standard Time, > skip@XXXXXX writes: > > > > > also used to describe certain women, often seen in bars. > > You mean ones who run you at redline for 4 or 5 minutes then dump ice on you? well, now I'm all excited. --skip, been a long time since I rock-and-rolled From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 14 14:42:44 2005 Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 11:42:15 -0800 (PST) From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: hb1558 -- Red Light Camera sundown To: skip , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- skip wrote: > I'm writing you today to urge you to allow the Red Light Camera bill > expire. It has been demonstrated in numerous studies that red light > cameras don't improve safety; in fact, they have a tendency to DECREASE > safety by increasing accidents! I have included some links that I found > to studies supporting this statement at the end of this letter. > > With the position that red light cameras increase safety in serious > doubt, the question becomes one of, "Why put up red light cameras?" Just a counterpoint here, not picking on Skip at all... First, let me say that I am adamantly opposed to speed cameras for all the reasons cited in this letter, and then some. I just returned from a vacation in England and Wales, where seemingly every single road segment has speed camera signs up, even the motorroutes (M roads, the equivalent of our interstates). It is ridiculous. However, despite my agreement that yellow light times should be substantially longer, I seriously doubt that you'll find any observant person who lives in Old Town Alexandria who isn't certain that the installation of red light cameras has substantially reduced incidents of red light running on Washington St. and Route 1. It has been a rather obvious benefit -- not as effective as putting a cop in the middle of every intersection during rush hours, but who can afford to do that? IMO, the fix isn't removing redlight cameras -- it's leaving them in place *and* lengthening yellows. -- Larry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 14 15:14:51 2005 Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 15:14:21 -0500 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: hb1558 -- Red Light Camera sundown To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Larry: >I seriously doubt that you'll find any observant person who >lives in Old Town Alexandria who isn't certain that the >installation of red light cameras has substantially reduced >incidents of red light running on Washington St. and Route >1. It has been a rather obvious benefit -- not as effective >as putting a cop in the middle of every intersection during >rush hours, but who can afford to do that? > >IMO, the fix isn't removing redlight cameras -- it's leaving >them in place *and* lengthening yellows. [Dave] I think that's probably one of the more complex examples we could examine, that place gets really busy... However, I drive through Alexandria (not OT) and one thing I can tell is when the officers directing traffic are not present. They make a huge difference in motorist courtesy. I wish they would do it at Duke x Quaker... The problem is that we will never practically convince any "camera" jurisdiction to increase the yellow because it would make the program unprofitable. Plus, on principle alone, since DC did it, there is that much more reason to undo it. Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 14 15:22:33 2005 Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 15:15:39 -0500 From: skip To: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" , DC Cycles Subject: Re: hb1558 -- Red Light Camera sundown "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" wrote: > > --- skip wrote: > > I'm writing you today to urge you to allow the Red Light Camera bill > > expire. It has been demonstrated in numerous studies that red light > > cameras don't improve safety; in fact, they have a tendency to DECREASE > > safety by increasing accidents! I have included some links that I found > > to studies supporting this statement at the end of this letter. > > > > With the position that red light cameras increase safety in serious > > doubt, the question becomes one of, "Why put up red light cameras?" > > Just a counterpoint here, not picking on Skip at all... > > First, let me say that I am adamantly opposed to speed cameras for all the > reasons cited in this letter, and then some. I just returned from a vacation in > England and Wales, where seemingly every single road segment has speed camera > signs up, even the motorroutes (M roads, the equivalent of our interstates). It > is ridiculous. > > However, despite my agreement that yellow light times should be substantially > longer, I seriously doubt that you'll find any observant person who lives in Old > Town Alexandria who isn't certain that the installation of red light cameras has > substantially reduced incidents of red light running on Washington St. and Route > 1. It has been a rather obvious benefit -- not as effective as putting a cop in > the middle of every intersection during rush hours, but who can afford to do > that? > > IMO, the fix isn't removing redlight cameras -- it's leaving them in place *and* > lengthening yellows. that is actually the conclusion of one of the articles that I posted. However, that hasnt' been studied enough to really be used.... and since it doesn't support my position, I didn't mention it. :~) --skip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 14 15:28:08 2005 Subject: RE: Engine Break-In Period Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 15:27:37 -0500 From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" To: , >> also used to describe certain women, often seen in bars. > >You mean ones who run you at redline for 4 or 5 minutes then >dump ice on you? And that's a bad thing? Hrm... Must reconsider personal priorities. Then again, maybe not. :P --smthng http://spaces.msn.com/members/smthng From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 14 16:36:51 2005 Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 16:36:22 -0500 From: Michael Jordan To: Eric Geary Subject: Re: MC show: what's the plan? Cc: dc Cycles I'm going in - probably on Sunday - waiting to hear from younger son. Michael J. On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 12:56:45 -0500, Eric Geary wrote: > any1 from the northern virginia area going in? i really dont know my > way around in there was hoping to tail someone in > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 14 17:03:47 2005 Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 14:03:19 -0800 (PST) From: "James O'Connor" Subject: Re: MC show: what's the plan? To: Michael Jordan , Eric Geary Cc: dc Cycles I'll be there on Sunday as well. Will likely get there at opening time. If folks are planning a meet and greet on Sunday, I'm game. - Jimmy --- Michael Jordan wrote: > I'm going in - probably on Sunday - waiting to hear from younger > son. > > Michael J. > > > > On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 12:56:45 -0500, Eric Geary > wrote: > > any1 from the northern virginia area going in? i really dont know > my > > way around in there was hoping to tail someone in > > > > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 14 20:19:41 2005 Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 20:19:15 -0500 To: dc Cycles From: Troutman Subject: Re: MC show: what's the plan? I'll be riding in from Manassas - see you all at noon Saturday at Austin Grill. Bike parking? At 12:56 PM 1/14/2005, Eric Geary wrote: >any1 from the northern virginia area going in? i really dont know my >way around in there was hoping to tail someone in _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 AMA - http://www.amadirectlink.com/ NMA - http://www.motorists.org "I'd rather die while I'm living, then live while I'm dead." - Jimmy Buffett From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 15 09:25:16 2005 Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 06:24:48 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: hb1558 -- Red Light Camera sundown To: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" , skip , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" wrote: > IMO, the fix isn't removing redlight cameras -- it's > leaving them in place *and* > lengthening yellows. > > -- Larry DING DING DING DING!!! We have a winner. I wish I could show you guys some the red light camera tickets. Folks blowing red lights at 30mph over the limit 1.5sec after the light turned red. The cameras do good as long as the lights are programmed correctly. Before anyone throws the revenue generator card out there, you need to do some research. I don't know about other jurisdictions, but I know how much revenue FFX gets from ALL fines, not just red light cameras, and it is nothing. ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 15 09:28:34 2005 Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 09:28:08 -0500 From: Paul Wilson To: Troutman Subject: Re: MC show: what's the plan? Cc: dc Cycles You should be able to squeeze in and park on the street. There are no meter fees on Saturday. I'll prolly bring the KLR. Many of surface lots in that area have disappeared. Too many new buildings going up. I'm get there a bit early and troll for a spot. On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 20:19:15 -0500, Troutman wrote: > I'll be riding in from Manassas - see you all at noon Saturday at Austin > Grill. Bike parking? > > At 12:56 PM 1/14/2005, Eric Geary wrote: > >any1 from the northern virginia area going in? i really dont know my > >way around in there was hoping to tail someone in > > > _____________________________________ > Mike Troutman > mike@XXXXXX > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > > '97 Honda VFR 750 > AMA - http://www.amadirectlink.com/ > NMA - http://www.motorists.org > > "I'd rather die while I'm living, then live while I'm dead." > - Jimmy Buffett > > -- Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR - 90 KLR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 15 10:35:39 2005 From: "Dave Yates" To: Subject: RE: hb1558 -- Red Light Camera sundown Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 10:35:17 -0500 X-ELNK-Trace: 956056117932dab21aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79cd56921f36d9640f386c88360dceaa7b350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c Before anyone throws the revenue generator card out there, you need to do some research. I don't know about other jurisdictions, but I know how much revenue FFX gets from ALL fines, not just red light cameras, and it is nothing. [Dave] 'Nothing' is relative. FFX throws away more money than the operating budgets of most counties in Virginia! I guess 'throws away' is also relative. An interesting note - Gerry "crash em up and drive away" Connolly now heads the VA association of counties (?). Their main goal in existence is to overturn Virginia's "Dillon rule" which restricts counties to the powers expressly granted by the Commonwealth. Take a look at what they want to do some time. Taxes, local control of ... oh, everything, taxes, and oh... did I mention taxes? They want a piggy back tax, gas tax, regional tax, transportation sales tax and many more. What does this have to do with cameras? UnFairTax, Alexandria and Arlington would not be as restricted by the Commonwealth absent the Dillon rule. They would no longer be bound by the 'explicit powers' restriction as they are now, including cameras. What do you think they would do? Retime the lights? Take down the cameras? OR, would they renegotiate the deal with the vendor, increase the "fines" (taxes). Speed cameras? You bet. If there's money involved in it, you can damn well bet Fairfax is on board, citizens be damned. Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 15 22:04:27 2005 Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 22:01:52 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: DC Bike Show Pics Enjoyed Austin Grill. Show was worth while. http://www.troutman.org/trips/cw05/ _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 AMA - http://www.amadirectlink.com/ NMA - http://www.motorists.org "I'd rather die while I'm living, then live while I'm dead." - Jimmy Buffett From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 17 11:47:20 2005 Subject: MC Show: The Pics Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 11:46:56 -0500 From: "Julian Halton" To: "DC-Cycles" See them here: www.ironstride.com/ims From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 17 12:26:33 2005 From: "Rob Sharp" To: "Julian Halton" , "DC-Cycles" Subject: Re: MC Show: The Pics Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 12:34:15 -0500 Not related to the pictures but whats up with the pipes on the GSXR 1000's. Like some triangle shape and I don't care for it very much. I liked the riding position of the honda 919 the best. I couldn't barely touch the ground on the Vstrom. The Hayabusa was pretty nice too, but I am not allowed to buy a bike that fast. My bike can't have more HP than my fiance's car :) Rob On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 11:46:56 -0500, Julian Halton wrote > See them here: www.ironstride.com/ims -- Rob Sharp rob@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 17 13:04:38 2005 Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 10:03:52 -0800 (PST) From: "James O'Connor" Subject: Re: MC Show: The Pics To: DC-Cycles I agree. A bit too "advanced" for me ;) . Welds look rough also. > Like some triangle shape and I don't care for it very much. This was one thing that kept me from buying a VStrom 1000. Felt like I was sitting on top of a bull. Would be fine cruising the interstate, but would be unnerving being that far from the ground while zipping around the city. > I couldn't barely touch the ground on the Vstrom. Does anyone else notice how heavy it feels to tip a Hayabusa up off the side stand? This is one of the heaviest bikes I've "felt" short of a big cruiser. Maybe the busa feels lighter once under way, but I have to put real effort into getting it up.......well, you know what I mean. > The Hayabusa was pretty nice too, __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 17 13:37:29 2005 From: "Rob Sharp" To: "Rob Sharp" , "DC-Cycles" Subject: Re: Brakes Question Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 13:45:12 -0500 After double checking lots of stuff. IT turned out a ride around the block 4 or 5 times sprinkled with lots of stops did the trick. No more scraping.. Thanx for all the advice. Rob On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 18:59:29 -0500, Rob Sharp wrote > Ok so I installed dual SS brake lines on my VFR (front brakes only). > During this process I f'd up the right caliper (right if your > sitting on the bike). So as a result I got a whole new caliper. So > I got the system bleed and it's super duper stiff now (which is good, > I am confident there is no air in the system). > > However the right caliper (new one) is now scraping the rotor when I > am not braking. I have checked to make sure the springs (two > springs total, one to stop pad chatter and one to push back the pad > when not braking.) are installed correctly. I am kind of at a loss > for what to do to fix this. I was given the advice that maybe the > caliper isn't centered over the rotor and it scraping because of > that. My question is does this seem plausible and is there some > procedure for making sure it's centered? > > Another note: I used the old brake pads from the busted caliper > because they had a lot of pad left and I didn't feel they needed to > be replaced. > > Thanx in advance. > > Rob > > -- > Rob Sharp > rob@XXXXXX -- Rob Sharp rob@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 17 15:50:26 2005 Subject: RE: MC Show: The Pics Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 15:50:03 -0500 From: "Julian Halton" To: "Rob Sharp" , "DC-Cycles" I love the 919...it is my dream do everything bike....I was lined up to buy it from that cycle store in woodbridge, but my ex-girlfriend's brother came through the day before MFI approved me for a loan..so I bought the 02 R6 ( no regrets ) but that 919 is comfortable as all get off and it looks sharp and must be fun to ride...but some tailbags and you have one cross-continental ballistic missile!! -----Original Message----- From: Rob Sharp [mailto:rob@XXXXXX] To: Julian Halton; DC-Cycles Subject: Re: MC Show: The Pics Not related to the pictures but whats up with the pipes on the GSXR 1000's. Like some triangle shape and I don't care for it very much. I liked the riding position of the honda 919 the best. I couldn't barely touch the ground on the Vstrom. The Hayabusa was pretty nice too, but I am not allowed to buy a bike that fast. My bike can't have more HP than my fiance's car :) Rob On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 11:46:56 -0500, Julian Halton wrote > See them here: www.ironstride.com/ims -- Rob Sharp rob@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 17 16:05:14 2005 Subject: what happens to bikes at a show Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 16:04:52 -0500 From: "Julian Halton" To: "DC-Cycles" from a friend.... Yeah, it was straight! Lots of bikes of course, but like NO gear!!! I was annoyed at that. I witnessed two dropped bike.... That pretty cranberry F4i, and yes.... The blue 05 R6.... put a dent right in the left side of the tank... the dude dropped it on that display that the red one was in.... sick. The other one was a woman with no bike experience at all as far as I could tell; just jumped on it like it was on bike stands and "bloop" over it went... I knew it was gonna happen! I turned to look at my buddy to tell him to watch (because I just couldn't) and next thing you know it's on it's right side.... I ran and helped her get it back up, but man.... It was pathetic. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 17 16:25:50 2005 Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 16:25:22 -0500 From: Paul Wilson To: Julian Halton Subject: Re: what happens to bikes at a show Cc: DC-Cycles On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 16:04:52 -0500, Julian Halton wrote: > > from a friend.... > > Yeah, it was straight! Lots of bikes of course, but like NO gear!!! I > was annoyed at that. > Pretty much par for the course. I've been to these shows in NYC, Phila., and now DC. If you go with money burning a hole in your pocket, with a jones to buy gear, you'll probably come away disappointed. A lot of the vendors seem to have scaled back. Motoport used to show up with a huge sales area and petting zoo where you could try things on. No more. I traded some emails with Motoport last year, and I gather the space rentage has become astronomical and they can no longer justify it. Plus being on the road for three months is a drag. Sales just weren't sufficient to justify all the expense. BMW used to sell their riding gear line as well, but I didn't see their big trailer there either. Part of the problem, it seems to me, is that "serious riders" (the ones likely to buy riding gear) are under-represented at these shows. I say that judging from the number of helmets in the coat check and the number of bikes parked outside the Convention Center. My guess is that you get a lot of looky-loos and tire-kickers at these shows. Nothing wrong with that, per se, unless you're a vendor on tight margins and have to pay for expensive floor space, employee time to staff the booth, set up, tear down, etc. There are exceptions, of course. Gerbings, for example, is always at the shows. As was Motorcycle Consumer News. Paul in DC From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 17 17:36:06 2005 Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 14:35:39 -0800 (PST) From: Ian Schmidt Subject: Bike Show To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I agree with the No Gear I was at least hoping to try on some stuff for at least sizing or to buy but no real luck except in Helmets plenty of those there. Lots of pretty bikes. But still a nice event. I did have one question though. On several of the bikes I noticed a Pass switch on the Left handlebar. Being somewhat of a newbie I can only guess that it's either a temporary turn signal switch or it has something to do with the clutch. Am I crazy or what? Let me know what it's actually for and I'll be grateful. Ian __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 17 17:36:28 2005 Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 17:43:57 -0500 From: Laura Roach To: Paul Wilson CC: Julian Halton , DC-Cycles Subject: Re: what happens to bikes at a show >Pretty much par for the course. I've been to these shows in NYC, >Phila., and now DC. If you go with money burning a hole in your >pocket, with a jones to buy gear, you'll probably come away >disappointed. A lot of the vendors seem to have scaled back. > > > We were actually going to have a booth there this year, but due to unforeseen circumstances, couldn't. Maybe next year. The tough thing with gear, especially for smaller companies, is forking out the money to have gear in stock that you can bring to shows. It always seems when you stock the black jacket in medium, someone orders the red one in large. :) Most of us get our products from distributors that are only one day away, so we don't have to stock as much stuff. That helps keep our costs down and allows us to provide better prices to customers. BUT, hearing this, next year if we do a booth, I'll make sure we bring goodies to sell. :) LAR www.speedwerks.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 17 17:47:50 2005 Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 17:47:22 -0500 From: Paul Wilson To: Laura Roach Subject: Re: what happens to bikes at a show Cc: Julian Halton , DC-Cycles On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 17:43:57 -0500, Laura Roach wrote: > > >Pretty much par for the course. I've been to these shows in NYC, > >Phila., and now DC. If you go with money burning a hole in your > >pocket, with a jones to buy gear, you'll probably come away > >disappointed. A lot of the vendors seem to have scaled back. > > > > > > > We were actually going to have a booth there this year, but due to > unforeseen circumstances, couldn't. Maybe next year. I certainly intended no criticism of the vendors here on the list. (Speedwerks, Motorcycle Leather Exchange). Looking forward to seeing Speedwerks next year. :) -- Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR - 90 KLR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 17 18:11:26 2005 Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 18:10:47 -0500 Subject: Re: Bike Show Cc: DC Cycles To: Ian Schmidt From: Randy Moran The "pass" button toggles the high beams so that people in front of you (who are actually checking their mirror) can be made aware that you want to pass. They can then sit in the left lane and purposely piss you off while you flick your "pass" button a couple more times then scream around them on the right. I hear this button actually works as intended in Europe. RPM On Monday, January 17, 2005, at 05:35 PM, Ian Schmidt wrote: > On several of the bikes I > noticed a Pass switch on the Left handlebar. Being > somewhat of a newbie I can only guess that it's either > a temporary turn signal switch or it has something to > do with the clutch. Am I crazy or what? Let me know > what it's actually for and I'll be grateful. > > Ian From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 17 18:34:16 2005 Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 18:42:02 -0500 From: Laura Roach To: Paul Wilson CC: Laura Roach , Julian Halton , DC-Cycles Subject: Re: what happens to bikes at a show >I certainly intended no criticism of the vendors here on the list. >(Speedwerks, Motorcycle Leather Exchange). Looking forward to seeing >Speedwerks next year. :) > > No criticism taken. :) Was just hoping to offer some insight from a "possible vendor" perspective. :) Laura From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 17 22:56:20 2005 Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 22:54:58 -0500 To: Randy Moran From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: Bike Show Cc: DC Cycles At 06:10 PM 1/17/05 -0500, Randy Moran wrote: >The "pass" button toggles the high beams so that people in front of you >(who are actually checking their mirror) can be made aware that you >want to pass. They can then sit in the left lane and purposely piss you Or, if they are a cop, pull you over and write you a ticket for having high beams on within 300' following another vehicle...or in the District, for having them on at all. (info from the Maryland Driver's Handbook, and D.C. Driving Test Guide). What's legal in Europe isn't always legal here...even if it is common enough practice here. Take driving as fast as you think reasonable for instance. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 18 00:27:09 2005 Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 21:26:27 -0800 (PST) From: Corbett B Subject: re: MC Show observations To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I saw some of what I came to see, factory Supermoto's from Suzuki and Husky. The BMW K1200S...wish that they had it on the floor - even if it was roped off..gives it a more realistic perspective. Sat on a Rocket 3, but the peanut gallery said I wasn't "old & fat enough" to have one yet. (Whaddya mean? Have ya LOOKED at me lately?) I think a younger, thinner guy could ride one of them just fine. Of course, I liked that Thruxton 900 (throwback cafe racer) too. The peanut gallery thinks I've got a fixation for really big and really small vehicles....might have point there. No KTM!! What up wit dat? Too many "Kids-Hawkin'-Squid-Vids" but was glad to see them isolated to a couple rows where their soundtracks could drown each other out. (Is this trend over yet?) Uh..where's the "Race Video" aisle? Is there a 2004 Isle of Man TT video in the house? The things that I didn't come to see were plentiful, like the unsurpervised children climbing on $10k-$20k motorcycles like they were jungle gyms...I saw plenty of bikes rocking on their side stand while the kiddos clawed their way up into the saddle from the "high side" and beat out a rhythm on the gas tank for effect. My favorite was the youngster that couldn't resist the BIG RED BUTTON at the bottom of the escalator that launched the loaded passengers upon one another as the moving stairway abrubtly halted. Of course,"Daddy" quickly grabbed the youngster, looked up the escalator in horror and sprinted off into the crowd...nicely done Dad. I noticed the escalator was never made operational by the time I left... Don't get me wrong, I'm not anti-child...just anti "clueless parent." I did notice some exhibitors taking matters into their own hands and putting notes on their bikes asking that "no one under 17 sit on the motorcycles without an adult present"...not sure how effective that was with the unsurpurvised, non-reading set. Back to Vendors..I know some of you that said that it was similar to the NYC show, but I think the NYC show definitely has more vendors. Possibly more exhibitors too. Do the exhibitors have the flexibility to pick and choose which shows to participate in or are they locked in for the long haul? Good to see the Jordans,Goddards,Paul Wilson,& Julian at the show too. When's the next DC Cycles Brrr..um..let's-take-the-Car Night? (kidding, of course) -Corbett ===== -Corbett '99 BMW K1200RS '04 KTM 625 SMC Supermoto '82 Honda XL250R AMA Member BMW Motorcycle Owners Association Member __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 18 00:37:19 2005 Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 21:36:56 -0800 (PST) From: Corbett B Subject: re: MC Show cHiLdReN To: DC Cycles ..can't believe I misspelled unsupervised..not once but TWICE.. Guess those kids really DID get to me. -C ===== -Corbett '99 BMW K1200RS '04 KTM 625 SMC Supermoto '82 Honda XL250R AMA Member BMW Motorcycle Owners Association Member __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? All your favorites on one personal page )B– Try My Yahoo! http://my.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 18 07:43:44 2005 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 07:43:11 EST Subject: Re: what happens to bikes at a show To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 1/17/2005 4:26:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, dcmcrider@XXXXXX writes: > I say that judging from the number of helmets in the coat check and > the number of bikes parked outside the Convention Center. My helmet was in my saddle bag at the metro station. Without knowing the parking situation at the center there was no way I was going to pass up free parking at the station. > My guess is > that you get a lot of looky-loos and tire-kickers at these shows. I just could not stay around the bike areas, gave me the creeps watching people climb on the bikes without the slightest clue what they were doing. And listening in to conversations made me want to laugh (I did a time or two) and cry (held off on that one) looky loos is a real understatement. I was surprised to see people flying "Hells Angels MD" colors, I would guess they would not fit the newbie, lookie loo category. The Vintage Motorcycle Club display got my attention. The first two bikes I saw were ones I owned in my day (Honda SL125, Honda 305Dream) And in the middle of the other side one I raced on, a Suzuki TM400 "mankiller" Then their flyer featured another bike I owned, a Honda CB450K1. Makes ya feel old when you see so many bikes you bought new sitting in a vintage display. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 18 08:44:35 2005 Subject: RE: what happens to bikes at a show Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 08:44:10 -0500 From: "Julian Halton" To: , The Hell's Angels actually had a booth at the show!! -----Original Message----- From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX [mailto:PenguinBiker@XXXXXX] To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: what happens to bikes at a show In a message dated 1/17/2005 4:26:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, dcmcrider@XXXXXX writes: > I say that judging from the number of helmets in the coat check and > the number of bikes parked outside the Convention Center. not many riders> My helmet was in my saddle bag at the metro station. Without knowing the parking situation at the center there was no way I was going to pass up free parking at the station. > My guess is > that you get a lot of looky-loos and tire-kickers at these shows. I just could not stay around the bike areas, gave me the creeps watching people climb on the bikes without the slightest clue what they were doing. And listening in to conversations made me want to laugh (I did a time or two) and cry (held off on that one) looky loos is a real understatement. I was surprised to see people flying "Hells Angels MD" colors, I would guess they would not fit the newbie, lookie loo category. The Vintage Motorcycle Club display got my attention. The first two bikes I saw were ones I owned in my day (Honda SL125, Honda 305Dream) And in the middle of the other side one I raced on, a Suzuki TM400 "mankiller" Then their flyer featured another bike I owned, a Honda CB450K1. Makes ya feel old when you see so many bikes you bought new sitting in a vintage display. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 18 09:10:20 2005 Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 09:09:51 -0500 From: smthng else To: DC Cycles Subject: Da show... My general musings on the show... I share the thoughts of others about there being a lack of gear. That's the main reason I went. I appreciate the bike vendors being there so I could check out the bikes, but I'm happy with mine and won't be shopping for a LONG time, so I didn't spend too much time oggling. However, there were some interesting ones that I spotted... The Black Princess II - Converted Goldwing on the pedastal. I'd hate it as a daily driver, but would love to do a multi-state trip on that thing. Nice work on the accessories and customization as well. It's still a 'Wing, but customized enough to be sort of cool without being obnoxious. The Ruckus and Big Ruckus - Also at the Honda area. Cool little scoots. If I were on a big old farm or a Carribean island, these two critters would rock! Basically an off-road capable scooter with attitude. The Big Ruckus is just double the attitude. :) Yamaha R6 "Raven" - Julian, you snagged a great bike. That thing is just drop dead sexy. One of my favorites in the whole show. The three Yamaha racers - Just one word... D@MN! :) Urals - Was surprised to see them there. I think they're kind of cool looking in a retro way. Woulnd't touch one with a ten foot pole, but cool none-the-less. Beemers - Was nice to be able to check them all out. I'm now thoroughly convinced that I'll never own a beemer. I guess I just don't get it. I pretty much thought none of them were comfortable and very few were what could possibly be considered practical. I was surprised by the build quality... very high. Everything felt solid and polish. I didn't expect this due to the number of posts I've seen on the FJR list regarding BMW problems (alot the FJR guys also have beemers). Interesting, but I'd never want one. Buells - Damned sexy bikes. Unfortunately, the impression I got was that almost everything was designed around the look, sacrificing real world ability in order to achieve it. The wife did like the little Blast though. She fits on it with both feet down. We've actually considered getting her a bike since she tried several that fit. I don't really think that will happen though... she's not the best of drivers in a cage and doesn't pay anywhere near as much attention as she should. Ah well. Other stuff... I like the Condor "things" that were being demo'd. They pretty much hold up a bike for trailering and allow the use of just two tie-downs. I might actually get one in the future, since the FJR is such a pain in the @ss to tie down. If the wife wasn't there to guard the wallet, I might have snagged one at the show. :) Cycle Gadgets - I'm glad they were there and I got to check out my next round of gadgetry in person. :) I bought a few electrical connectors from them. The people next to cycle gadgets in the kilts - Boot capable socks! Snagged some. Didn't see much else I was interested in though. Anyone remember what these guys were called? I need to hunt down a web site for them so I can order some more socks (see below). Unfortunately, I was a dumb@ss and left everything I bought on the metro train on the way home. :( Glad I didn't buy too much, but now I've got to eat it and order the crap online. Gotta wait for shipping and all that before I can start some major winter projects that I've already held off for too long. Lost all the d@mn stickers I was planning on putting on my tool chest too. :( I did finally join the AMA - a good thing. I forgot to subscribe to MCN - a bad thing. Although, I'm not too upset about it since they recent published a totally bogus article regarding a long-time problem with certain FJRs that Yamaha America (Cypress) refuses to officially acknowledge inspite of Yamaha Europe publishing TSBs regarding it. Poor research on MCN's part, IMO. Ah well, that's a personal beef and I guess no one is perfect. Bumped into Julian and Paul, but didn't spot anyone else. Was dog-tired after being sick all week, so left around 2'ish. All in all, a good day checking out nifty bike stuff, but not up to what I was expecting. --smthng http://spaces.msn.com/members/smthng/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 18 09:14:57 2005 From: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: what happens to bikes at a show Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 09:14:28 -0500 Yep, I was walking along looking at the cool t-shirts and I turn around and all I saw was vest and shirt. Probably the largest biker I'd ever seen was right there beside me Hell Angel. He asked if Id like to buy a shirt and I politely said no I was saving my money for Beer. ;) He asked what did I ride I said when I'm not on the wife I ride a gixxer. He laughed and I made my way to see the dudes ride in the big steel ball o' death thingy. Cool looking shirts though, not that I'd were one. -----Original Message----- From: Julian Halton [mailto:julian@XXXXXX] To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: what happens to bikes at a show The Hell's Angels actually had a booth at the show!! -----Original Message----- From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX [mailto:PenguinBiker@XXXXXX] To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: what happens to bikes at a show In a message dated 1/17/2005 4:26:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, dcmcrider@XXXXXX writes: > I say that judging from the number of helmets in the coat check and > the number of bikes parked outside the Convention Center. not many riders> My helmet was in my saddle bag at the metro station. Without knowing the parking situation at the center there was no way I was going to pass up free parking at the station. > My guess is > that you get a lot of looky-loos and tire-kickers at these shows. I just could not stay around the bike areas, gave me the creeps watching people climb on the bikes without the slightest clue what they were doing. And listening in to conversations made me want to laugh (I did a time or two) and cry (held off on that one) looky loos is a real understatement. I was surprised to see people flying "Hells Angels MD" colors, I would guess they would not fit the newbie, lookie loo category. The Vintage Motorcycle Club display got my attention. The first two bikes I saw were ones I owned in my day (Honda SL125, Honda 305Dream) And in the middle of the other side one I raced on, a Suzuki TM400 "mankiller" Then their flyer featured another bike I owned, a Honda CB450K1. Makes ya feel old when you see so many bikes you bought new sitting in a vintage display. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 18 10:17:09 2005 Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 10:16:26 -0500 To: DC Cycles From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: Da show... At 09:09 AM 1/18/05 -0500, smthng else wrote: >My general musings on the show... > >I share the thoughts of others about there being a lack of gear. >That's the main reason I went. If I'd gone, that would have been my reason for going too, so I'm glad I decided to do other things that day...especially since the other things included riding. I heard last year that the *other* motorcycle show (the one in Chantilly) was better, so I was going to go to that one this year, but I mis-remembered the date. What sort of nutcase runs a motorcycle show on New Year's Day?!?? I, like many who are really into bikes, was riding mine on a "Polar Bear Ride" that day...though this year it wasn't all that Polar... >I appreciate the bike vendors being >there so I could check out the bikes, but I'm happy with mine and >won't be shopping for a LONG time, Me too. Main reason I wouldn't go just to see bikes. I saw them last year, and I doubt enough has changed to be of serious interests for someone not actually shopping at the moment. Now, electric socks...that would be different! >Beemers - Was nice to be able to check them all out. I'm now >thoroughly convinced that I'll never own a beemer. I guess I just >don't get it. I pretty much thought none of them were comfortable and >very few were what could possibly be considered practical. Comfort is probably a very personal thing. I test-sat one when I was shopping year before last, and it wasn't bad. With some control position changes it would be rideable, unlike about 80% of the bike models on the market. Practical? Seemed as practical as any sport/tour bike, and more practical than a sport bike. A bit pricy, but as a Harley owner, I can't really take points off for that! ;-) >Buells - Damned sexy bikes. Unfortunately, the impression I got was >that almost everything was designed around the look, sacrificing real >world ability in order to achieve it. They don't make one anywhere near big enough for me to ride. I test-sat the largest one they have a last year's show, and the only way I could get my feet on the foot controls was to sit on the passenger's butt-chip. Not practical at all...and perhaps not even safe (cg is way too far back that way). It is good that they have bikes for those less than normal-sized folks though. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 18 11:51:20 2005 Subject: re: MC Show observations To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 11:50:47 -0500 From: "Louis F. Caplan" X-Sasl-Enc: NblRJi6oydjsmbItOJmrPg 1106067047 I was at the show helping at the Ride for Kids booth. > The Hell's Angels actually had a booth at the show!! They were right across from our booth (we had floorspace with Cycle World). It was interesting to watch them. They were checking out some of the bikes in the Cycle World booth, and a guy with a "Special Agent" shirt (with badge on the front) came in and was looking at the bikes too. They each kept their distance from each other. I didn't see lots of HA shirts being sold though. > Too many "Kids-Hawkin'-Squid-Vids" but was glad to see > them isolated to a couple rows where their soundtracks > could drown each other out. (Is this trend over yet?) Problem with this was it was also the area where they had kid size bikes and equipment, so there were a lot of kids right near by. > Back to Vendors..I know some of you that said that it > was similar to the NYC show, but I think the NYC show > definitely has more vendors. Possibly more exhibitors > too. Do the exhibitors have the flexibility to pick > and choose which shows to participate in or are they > locked in for the long haul? From what I heard on NY Lists, the number/quantity of vendors at the NY show has been going downhill as well. Louis ======= "Admiral" Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours Fairfax, VA Pls consider helping me support the Pediatric Brain Tumor Foundation: http://www.geocities.com/nighthawk700/rideforkids.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 18 13:26:36 2005 Subject: A Hatfield Trip From: lister lynch To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: dcoffroad@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 13:32:17 -0500 To those with an inclination toward the knobby side of life: A Hatfield trip has been planned if anyone would like to join us. Four (glorious) days of riding in the WV mountain trails will be Saturday, May 21 through Tuesday, May 24. We'll be staying at the Colonial Motel in Man, WV where you can ride your unlicensed dirt bike (or quad) right from the door of your room to 2 different trail systems, each with at least 105 miles of trails. Hatfield's site: http://www.trailsheaven.com/ This will be my 4th trip and I can't wait. Mike XR400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 18 13:42:30 2005 Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 10:42:22 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: A Hatfield Trip To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: dcoffroad@XXXXXX Mike, I'm there. Looking forward to it. Glenn --- lister lynch wrote: > To those with an inclination toward the knobby side > of life: > > A Hatfield trip has been planned if anyone would > like to join us. Four > (glorious) days of riding in the WV mountain trails > will be Saturday, > May 21 through Tuesday, May 24. We'll be staying at > the Colonial Motel > in Man, WV where you can ride your unlicensed dirt > bike (or quad) right > from the door of your room to 2 different trail > systems, each with at > least 105 miles of trails. > > Hatfield's site: > http://www.trailsheaven.com/ > > > This will be my 4th trip and I can't wait. > Mike > XR400 > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 18 13:49:30 2005 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 13:49:19 EST Subject: Re: what happens to bikes at a show To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 1/18/2005 8:44:18 AM Eastern Standard Time, julian@XXXXXX writes: > The Hell's Angels actually had a booth at the show!! Missed that one! That was one problem I had with the show, every time I walked around I found another booth even though I had walked the "exact path" before. By the time I left my feet hurt and you just confirmed that I still missed stuff. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 18 13:55:41 2005 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 13:55:28 EST Subject: Re: what happens to bikes at a show To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 1/18/2005 9:15:04 AM Eastern Standard Time, Silvera@XXXXXX writes: > Hell Angel. He asked if Id like to buy a shirt and I > politely said no I seem to recall a time long ago and far away when Angel copyright protection meant that if they saw you in an Angels T-shirt or other paraphernalia they simply removed it. Times have changed.... John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 18 15:23:29 2005 From: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: what happens to bikes at a show Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 15:23:11 -0500 -----Original Message----- From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX [mailto:PenguinBiker@XXXXXX] To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: what happens to bikes at a show In a message dated 1/18/2005 9:15:04 AM Eastern Standard Time, Silvera@XXXXXX writes: > Hell Angel. He asked if Id like to buy a shirt and I > politely said no I seem to recall a time long ago and far away when Angel copyright protection meant that if they saw you in an Angels T-shirt or other paraphernalia they simply removed it. Times have changed.... John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Actually what threw me off was the fact that they didn't say HA or even have a there logo on it. They just would have a design with support the red and white what ever that means. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 18 16:17:25 2005 Subject: Toasty warm except for my hands Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 16:17:22 -0500 From: "Julian Halton" To: Short tweny five minute ride and my hands are done in...was getting sick of not riding so decided to brave the elements...am just now able to flex From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 18 16:38:26 2005 Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 16:38:18 -0500 From: Paul Wilson To: Julian Halton Subject: Re: Toasty warm except for my hands Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 16:17:22 -0500, Julian Halton wrote: > > Short tweny five minute ride and my hands are done in...was getting sick > of not riding so decided to brave the elements...am just now able to > flex > > I was OK this morning, with just body heat and heated grips. But, let's just say I wasn't *too* disappointed to pull into the parking lot and end my ride. ;-) I've got Olympia winter gloves that seem to work pretty well. Even with the grips turned on "hi" you can barely feel them. I'm not wearing the Gerbings on the KLR, due to its feeble electrical output. Seems hardly worth it, to suit up with the electrics, for a twenty-minute ride. Seems like Old Man Winter has decided to pay us an extended visit this time. The fifteen-year-old KLR fires right up at a touch of the button, even when it's eleven degrees. -- Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR - 90 KLR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 18 17:05:16 2005 Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 17:05:38 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: Toasty warm except for my hands At 04:38 PM 1/18/05 -0500, Paul Wilson wrote: >On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 16:17:22 -0500, Julian Halton wrote: >> >> Short tweny five minute ride and my hands are done in...was getting sick >> of not riding so decided to brave the elements...am just now able to >> flex >> >I was OK this morning, with just body heat and heated grips. But, >let's just say I wasn't *too* disappointed to pull into the parking >lot and end my ride. ;-) I've got Olympia winter gloves that seem to >work pretty well. Just note that these temps are a bit lower than is common around here, and are nearing the "dangerous" level where things like frostbite, hypothermia, etc. could happen fairly quickly. Folks from the Great White North know about such things, and how to cope, but around here there may be folks from warmer climes who don't. It's not just chilly, it's COLD out at the moment. The high today was 23 according to the radio. It said it was 15 this morning, with the chill factor at -1. That's from the wind while not moving, and probably at National Airport...which is next to the river and downwind from Congress, and always seems to have a few extra degrees not found where people actually live. On the bike at highway speeds the chill factor is a lot lower, so any exposed skin could freeze pretty quickly. At 70 mph the wind chill is going to be around -19, and frostbite can happen in 30 minutes (according to the National Weather Service (http://www.nws.noaa.gov/om/windchill/index.shtml). If the temps get down to 5, which doesn't seem likely but isn't impossible, especially in the early morning hours, the windchill at 60 is going to be something like -30 and you only get about 10 minutes before frostbite. I'm sure the times are estimates, and if you are prone to cold sensitivity anyway, you may have less time. (the chart only goes to 60mph, so I guestimated an interpolation for 70, which seems to be typical highway speed these days). Hypothermia is almost worse. If your core temps get too low you will get stupid and slow first, then pass out, and eventually die if not warmed up quickly. On a bike even "stupid and slow" can kill you...it's a lot like being very fatigued, and in that state you shouldn't be riding at all. You'll take longer to recognize problems, and longer to react to them, and more likely to react incorrectly. Dress warmly, in layers, and pay attention to your condition at all times. Stop, get somewhere warm and warm up if you have to. Getthereitis can be fatal in weather like this. Don't count on electrics BTW...they are great when they work, but blow a fuse (without a spare), or have a wire break, and you may have to park it and find another way home if you don't have enough insulating gear to ride without power. I hear tomorrow we get as much as an inch of snow...will the fun never end? -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 19 00:15:13 2005 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 00:15:02 EST Subject: Re: Toasty warm except for my hands To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 1/18/2005 4:18:03 PM Eastern Standard Time, julian@XXXXXX writes: > .am just now able to > flex About the time you posted I was on my way _to_ work. Headed home at about 10:30_pm._ Just one word E! freeking Lectrics!!! I was toasty (cept my shins, no lectric pants.) Only had the heat up about halfway. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 19 06:58:51 2005 Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 03:58:45 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Toasty warm except for my hands To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > Just one word E! freeking Lectrics!!! I was toasty > (cept my shins, no > lectric pants.) Only had the heat up about halfway. Amen to that. Electric clothing is wonderful. Yesterday was ok, but in order to get the vest warm enough, my hands were sweating. Time to fix that problem. I spent an hour last night finishing up a switch box so I can control the vest, gloves and socks independently. Someone on one of the lists I'm on suggested using a turn signal flasher for a heat controller. I'll let you know tomorrow how well it works. I've got double throw switches to let me select "high," "low" or "off" for each of the three items. It's actually got 4 connectors because some of my gear has the two prong SAE connector and some has the new Gerbing/Radio Shack "N" coaxial connector. Leon. Ninja 250 rider. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 19 10:51:39 2005 Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 10:51:55 -0500 To: Leon Begeman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: Toasty warm except for my hands At 03:58 AM 1/19/05 -0800, Leon Begeman wrote: >Someone on one of the lists I'm on suggested using a >turn signal flasher for a heat controller. I'll let >you know tomorrow how well it works. If the switch arrangement doesn't give fine enough control, Harley has a dual thermostat control for their stuff (which I think may be Gerbings relabeled). That would handle two of the three items, or let you do all three by combining two. It's about half the size of a pack of cigarettes and has two knobs on the face of it to set the temps. I believe it's SAE connectors, but adapters are available for the coax kind. Most of those I've seen using them either put the thing in a jacket pocket, or use a tank pouch (only thing other than cigarettes those seem to be useful for). -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 19 11:04:40 2005 Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 11:04:37 -0500 From: "Chris Norloff" To: "List-dc cycles" Subject: sidecar weather! Wow, glad I drove the sidecar rig today! Chris From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 19 11:11:54 2005 Subject: Re: [dcoffroad] Re: A Hatfield Trip From: lister lynch To: dcoffroad@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 11:17:28 -0500 Awesome. IIRC, from the original post months ago, Gimer had shown interest in going. Still true? Mike On Tue, 2005-01-18 at 13:42, Glenn Dysart wrote: > Mike, I'm there. Looking forward to it. > > Glenn > > --- lister lynch wrote: > > > To those with an inclination toward the knobby side > > of life: > > > > A Hatfield trip has been planned if anyone would > > like to join us. Four > > (glorious) days of riding in the WV mountain trails > > will be Saturday, > > May 21 through Tuesday, May 24. We'll be staying at > > the Colonial Motel > > in Man, WV where you can ride your unlicensed dirt > > bike (or quad) right > > from the door of your room to 2 different trail > > systems, each with at > > least 105 miles of trails. > > > > Hatfield's site: > > http://www.trailsheaven.com/ > > > > > > This will be my 4th trip and I can't wait. > > Mike > > XR400 > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. > http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> > Help save the life of a child. Support St. Jude Children's Research Hospital's > 'Thanks & Giving.' > http://us.click.yahoo.com/6iY7fA/5WnJAA/Y3ZIAA/5liolB/TM > --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dcoffroad/ > > <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > dcoffroad-unsubscribe@XXXXXX > > <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 19 11:34:39 2005 Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 11:34:15 -0500 To: , "List-dc cycles" From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: sidecar weather! At 11:04 AM 1/19/05 -0500, Chris Norloff wrote: >Wow, glad I drove the sidecar rig today! Yeah, our "one inch" is already down, it's still falling, and they've changed the estimate to "1-2 inches". As per usual, they are pretty good about guessing whether it will snow, but not how much. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 19 12:25:23 2005 From: "Rob Sharp" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Dropped the Ball again Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:33:45 -0500 Well I think everyone knew snow was coming today. Hell my fiance even left me a note this morning (like 6:30am)saying it was suppose to start snowing about 10-11 am. And magically it does. Good thing the the various DOT's didn't have any plows or salt trucks out on the road. I start work at noon so I got the brunt of it on my commute and I saw ONE plow truck out and I travel I270, outerloop of 495 and the Toll road. I know it only an inch or whatever but it was a light powder that made the road pretty slippery. Rob -- Rob Sharp rob@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 19 12:32:03 2005 Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:32:00 -0500 From: "Chris Norloff" To: "List-dc cycles" Subject: chimney inspect & cleaning Anybody have a recommendation for a chimney inspection & cleaning in Northern VA? The first company I called doesn't inspect inside the flue - which is kinda what I thought the whole point is! thanks, Chris From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 19 12:43:50 2005 Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:43:38 -0500 From: Paul Wilson To: Rob Sharp Subject: Re: Dropped the Ball again Cc: DC-Cycles On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:33:45 -0500, Rob Sharp wrote: > Well I think everyone knew snow was coming today. Hell my fiance even left me > a note this morning (like 6:30am)saying it was suppose to start snowing about > 10-11 am. And magically it does. Good thing the the various DOT's didn't > have any plows or salt trucks out on the road. > > Rob I scooted the KLR beast into the office at 10:30, just before "it," the dreaded "S," started. BTW, for you intrepid winter riders, in the westbound lanes on the Thomas Circle underpass on Mass. Ave. there's a big patch of solid ice, stretching from curb to curb. Can't go around it. A bit of seat pucker as I descended the ramp and saw it. Stayed off the brakes, maintained steady throttle, rode through without so much as a wiggle. Thing had a big ridge on it too. We'll see about road conditions at closing time, otherwise it's off the Metro I go. If it's not too bad, and the main drag is clear, I'll drop the knobbies down a few pounds and give it a whirl. -- Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR - 90 KLR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 19 13:39:56 2005 Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 13:37:31 -0500 From: skip CC: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Dropped the Ball again Rob Sharp wrote: > > Well I think everyone knew snow was coming today. Hell my fiance even left me > a note this morning (like 6:30am)saying it was suppose to start snowing about > 10-11 am. And magically it does. Good thing the the various DOT's didn't > have any plows or salt trucks out on the road. I start work at noon so I got > the brunt of it on my commute and I saw ONE plow truck out and I travel I270, > outerloop of 495 and the Toll road. I know it only an inch or whatever but it > was a light powder that made the road pretty slippery. well, they were already out when i was on my way in from winchester. I passed three sitting, and two rolling between the chester and Herndon. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 19 14:28:14 2005 Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 14:28:04 -0500 From: Aaron Maurer To: Paul Wilson Subject: Re: Dropped the Ball again Cc: Rob Sharp , DC-Cycles On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:43:38 -0500, Paul Wilson wrote: > BTW, for you intrepid winter riders, in the westbound lanes on the > Thomas Circle underpass on Mass. Ave. there's a big patch of solid > ice, stretching from curb to curb. Can't go around it. A bit of seat > pucker as I descended the ramp and saw it. Stayed off the brakes, > maintained steady throttle, rode through without so much as a wiggle. > Thing had a big ridge on it too. Yep -- that's been building up for days (and is a chronic problem at that spot in winter). I'm sure the snow and sub-freezing temps aren't going to help a bit. I rode over it the same way. Stay safe. (The Beemer's staying in the garage at work tonight...) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 19 14:49:12 2005 Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 14:49:05 -0500 From: Paul Wilson To: Aaron Maurer Subject: Re: Dropped the Ball again Cc: Rob Sharp , DC-Cycles On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 14:28:04 -0500, Aaron Maurer wrote: > On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:43:38 -0500, Paul Wilson wrote: > > BTW, for you intrepid winter riders, in the westbound lanes on the > > Thomas Circle underpass on Mass. Ave. there's a big patch of solid > > ice, stretching from curb to curb. Can't go around it. A bit of seat > > pucker as I descended the ramp and saw it. Stayed off the brakes, > > maintained steady throttle, rode through without so much as a wiggle. > > Thing had a big ridge on it too. > > Yep -- that's been building up for days (and is a chronic problem at > that spot in winter). I'm sure the snow and sub-freezing temps aren't > going to help a bit. I rode over it the same way. > > Stay safe. (The Beemer's staying in the garage at work tonight...) > Stay safe, eh? Do not leave your homes, folks, risk of imminent death due to frozen precipitation! Thomas Circle is the underpass that consumed the better part of two mayoral adminsitrations to "fix." I was downtown for a rare meeting this morning and was the only bike in the bike parking at M and Rhode Island. Can't imagine why. ;-) I left just as the "flurries" (official Washington Times forecast) were getting going and rode to the office. Looks the "snow event" is over. If the City of Alexandria gets its act together, I may be able to ride home. -- Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR - 90 KLR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 19 15:58:06 2005 Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 15:58:26 -0500 To: Paul Wilson From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: Dropped the Ball again Cc: DC-Cycles At 02:49 PM 1/19/05 -0500, Paul Wilson wrote: >On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 14:28:04 -0500, Aaron Maurer wrote: >Looks the "snow event" is over. If the City of Alexandria gets its >act together, I may be able to ride home. Not necessarily over...just paused. They forecast an inch for today. They changed that to 1-2 inches. We've already got at least 3 and maybe 4 on the ground judging by the buildup on the plastic table on the patio and the fact that it's almost over the curbs in the street. Cars don't seem to he having any problems driving in it though. This is just the start though. Weather.com is forecasting "snow showers" for tonight, tomorrow, tomorrow night, a mostly sunny break for Friday, then back to snow for Saturday and Sunday. Not sure what sort of accumulation they are predicting, but the temps are mostly going to be below freezing the whole time. High prediction is 39 for Sunday. Stock up on linament... -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 19 16:03:00 2005 Subject: RE: Dropped the Ball again Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 16:02:57 -0500 From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" To: "DC-Cycles" >>Looks the "snow event" is over. >Not necessarily over...just paused. > then back to snow for Saturday and Sunday. For those that are interesting in WAGs... If you check pretty much any forecast for Sunday, they're all quite different. I have a couple of friends who work for weather service companies and they told me that basically no one has a clue what's going to happen Sunday. Could be nothing, could be quite evil. Just thought you might want to know. Don't put too much stock in the weathermen this weekend. --smthng http://spaces.msn.com/members/smthng From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 19 16:32:40 2005 Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 13:32:32 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: [dcoffroad] Re: A Hatfield Trip To: lister lynch , dcoffroad@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX is this memorial day weekend? i'll try to swing it.... --- lister lynch wrote: > Awesome. IIRC, from the original post months ago, Gimer > had shown > interest in going. Still true? > > Mike > > On Tue, 2005-01-18 at 13:42, Glenn Dysart wrote: > > Mike, I'm there. Looking forward to it. > > > > Glenn > > > > --- lister lynch wrote: > > > > > To those with an inclination toward the knobby side > > > of life: > > > > > > A Hatfield trip has been planned if anyone would > > > like to join us. Four > > > (glorious) days of riding in the WV mountain trails > > > will be Saturday, > > > May 21 through Tuesday, May 24. We'll be staying at > > > the Colonial Motel > > > in Man, WV where you can ride your unlicensed dirt > > > bike (or quad) right > > > from the door of your room to 2 different trail > > > systems, each with at > > > least 105 miles of trails. > > > > > > Hatfield's site: > > > http://www.trailsheaven.com/ > > > > > > > > > This will be my 4th trip and I can't wait. > > > Mike > > > XR400 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 19 19:34:05 2005 Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 16:33:49 -0800 (PST) From: John Kozyn Subject: Snow To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Hey DC Guys 'n Gals, I could not believe I saw a guy on a blue Kaw (EX500?) heading down 395 this afternoon around 1600 hrs. Hope he made it home okay. I don't think I would've attempted it. JK (D-mode) 1999 900SS 1995 VFR750F (both bikes basking in 60 degree temps :) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 19 20:30:14 2005 Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 20:30:11 -0500 From: "Chris Norloff" To: "List-dc cycles" Subject: Re: Snow I'm not sure I would have made it home on a two-wheeler today, unless I paddle-walked a bunch of the way. I had enough trouble with the sidecar rig - the rear wheel would break loose quite easily, which would then lead to various changes in direction. Since the sidecar rig is asymetrical, power on/off changes your steering. And my sidecar tug is a 1981 Honda CB750F - sportbike in its time - so it's made for power not torque. If it was a torquey engine it might have been easier. Then there was the idiot in an SUV who decided to pass on an icy bridge with only 1.5 lanes plowed ... Chris ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: John Kozyn Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 16:33:49 -0800 (PST) >Hey DC Guys 'n Gals, > >I could not believe I saw a guy on a blue Kaw (EX500?) heading down 395 >this afternoon around 1600 hrs. Hope he made it home okay. I don't >think I would've attempted it. > >JK (D-mode) >1999 900SS >1995 VFR750F (both bikes basking in 60 degree temps :) > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. >http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 19 22:59:23 2005 From: Daniel To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, roadrunnaz@XXXXXX Subject: ugly gixxer and sweet aprilla tail @ the show Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 22:59:11 -0500 yes that gixxer exhaust is fugly. The gixxer 1000 tail is ugly too the aprilla tail.. oh my God it's beautiful.. had me thinking about chopping and welding subframes to incorperate it. the 1000 does feel lighter (how much lighter is it? or did they lower the center of gravity? or both?) I didnt' care for the red/black busa color scheme... previous years shemes were a lot better. I was diggin' that nazi era bike with the side car.. what was that a motto guzzi or something? i can't remember.. but i remember it being discussed on the list a while back. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 19 23:05:51 2005 Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 23:05:42 -0500 From: Thomas Jordan To: Daniel Subject: Re: ugly gixxer and sweet aprilla tail @ the show Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 22:59:11 -0500, Daniel wrote: > I was diggin' that nazi era bike with the side car.. what was that a > motto guzzi or something? i can't remember.. but i remember it being > discussed on the list a while back. I assume you were talking about the Ural Gear-Up, (http://www.imz-ural.com/gearup/) which is actually a brand new bike. Price is about $9,500 I believe. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 20 15:13:05 2005 Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 15:11:09 -0500 From: skip CC: List-dc cycles Subject: Re: Snow Chris Norloff wrote: > Then there was the idiot in an SUV who decided to pass on an icy bridge with only 1.5 lanes plowed ... Don't be silly, Chris. Everyone knows that 4WD makes you invulnerable. sheesh. --skip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 20 15:17:01 2005 From: "Jim McGonigle" To: "'skip'" Cc: "'List-dc cycles'" Subject: RE: Snow Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 15:16:40 -0500 Just because only 1.5 lanes are plowed doesn't mean that there aren't 2 langes. I hate when people drive in the middle and assume that you will follow at there speed... 4WD is a tool, just like anything else. -----Original Message----- From: skip [mailto:skip@XXXXXX] Cc: List-dc cycles Subject: Re: Snow Chris Norloff wrote: > Then there was the idiot in an SUV who decided to pass on an icy bridge with only 1.5 lanes plowed ... Don't be silly, Chris. Everyone knows that 4WD makes you invulnerable. sheesh. --skip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 20 15:48:27 2005 Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 15:48:41 -0500 To: "Jim McGonigle" From: "Mike B." Subject: RE: Snow Cc: "'List-dc cycles'" At 03:16 PM 1/20/05 -0500, Jim McGonigle wrote: > >Just because only 1.5 lanes are plowed doesn't mean that there aren't 2 >langes. I hate when people drive in the middle and assume that you will >follow at there speed... True. I have 4WD and I've passed snow plows before. They are plowing one lane, and I just get into another that isn't plowed yet and go on by, and leave the 2WD vehicles to creep along behind the plow. Until there's more than about 4" of snow on the road, the handling doesn't really change much in the Jeep. You have to take curves slower, and allow lots of extra room for stopping, and generally watch out for people not so well equipped, and speed in general is a bit slower, but small amounts of snow aren't any real problem, so plowed or not, a lane is a lane. Drive gently and there's no trouble. My current 4WD handles a bit differently than my previous one, so learn how yours works somewhere safe first (empty parking lot for instance). I've driven rear wheel drive cars, front drive cars and 4WD vehicles in snow from a light dusting to over half a foot. You can do it with all of them, but 4WD really does make it easier. It isn't magic, and you can lose traction in anything if you aren't careful, but it is much easier to maintain control with 4WD, particularly with limited slip differentials and big tires. Anyone who loses it in light snow in a 4WD vehicle would be totally hopeless in a 2WD vehicle under the same conditions. I'm not interested in trying two wheels in the snow though. I've seen it done, so I know it can be possible if you aren't too worried about dropping the bike, but I'm not interested in trying it myself on my current bike. The XT-550 might have been fun though...super knobby tires, a light weight overall, and nothing much to damage other than the gas tank (plastic flexy fenders and signals on flexible rubber stalks, with braced bars and cheapie foam grips). The roads here seem to be completely clear at the moment. Even the neighborhood ones were clear this morning. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 21 10:00:56 2005 Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 10:00:50 -0500 To: "dc Cycles" From: Troutman Subject: Baltimore bike show FYI - there is a LEO warning to look out for Pagans at this weekend's Baltimore bike show. There is a strong possibility of gang violence if they get too close to the Hells Angels. The HA have declared war on the Pagans after a beating in NJ a few weeks ago. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 21 18:11:54 2005 From: "Brian Roberson" To: Subject: More of what we already know... Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 18:11:24 -0500 X-UserInfo: d64cb895d5c0f2b94af7e433d4ebfb46:24e0caf112cc629cec900cbc81f2a51a X-User: broberson@XXXXXX Motorcycle Boomer Deaths Raise Concerns http://apnews.myway.com/article/20050121/D87OL4H01.html Brian 99VFR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 21 18:52:29 2005 Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 18:52:21 -0500 From: Michael Jordan To: Brian Roberson Subject: Re: More of what we already know... Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Motorcycle Boomer Deaths Raise Concerns > > http://apnews.myway.com/article/20050121/D87OL4H01.html This is why you should never, never stop riding :-| Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 21 18:59:43 2005 From: "W.S." To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: More data grabbing Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 18:59:20 -0500 Another step toward privacy compromise: In the Post yesterday (Inauguration Day timing impressive). The source book is "No Place to Hide" -- Robert O'Harrow. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A22269-2005Jan19.html?nav=most _emailed. (may require registration) Peter Jennings on Primetime last night covered roughly the same material - videos available at ABC. Mention was made of EZ-Pass - type info being collected. Bill S. / DC (on digest) '99 VN750 > Changing my name from Vulcan to Ural Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 22 09:20:05 2005 Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 09:19:57 -0500 To: dc-cycles From: Aki Damme Subject: Fwd: Re: More of what we already know... >Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 09:07:31 -0500 >To: "Brian Roberson" >From: Aki Damme >Subject: Re: More of what we already know... > >At 06:11 PM 1/21/2005, you wrote: >>Motorcycle Boomer Deaths Raise Concerns >> >>http://apnews.myway.com/article/20050121/D87OL4H01.html >> >> >> >>Brian >>99VFR > >from what I've read in the AMA rags, yes the number of >older riders >has continually gone up over the past 10 years. What the >article >fails to mention though is that even though the fatalities >of older riders >has continued to climb, the total number of riders has >ALSO gone >up and the reality is that the percentage of fatalities >per 1,000 bikes >has actually gone *down*. > >Statistics can be extremely misleading without giving out >ALL the >facts. The article is trying to make people draw a >conclusion based >on half the statistical data. > >The general public might take the article as gospel but us >motorcyclists >should of seen the slant a mile away. > > > > >-aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 22 15:34:55 2005 Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 15:34:37 -0500 To: Aki Damme , dc-cycles From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: More of what we already know... At 09:19 AM 1/22/05 -0500, Aki Damme wrote: >>fails to mention though is that even though the fatalities >>of older riders >>has continued to climb, the total number of riders has >>ALSO gone >>up and the reality is that the percentage of fatalities >>per 1,000 bikes has actually gone *down*. >> >>Statistics can be extremely misleading without giving out >>ALL the facts. The article is trying to make people draw a >>conclusion based on half the statistical data. Or less...how the data was collected is also of interest in most cases. "People commonly use statistics like a drunk uses a lamppost: for support rather than for illumination." --Mark Twain It's always fun to speculate on whether the "journalist" is lobbying semi-cleverly for his preferred view of reality, or is just too fucking ignorant to realize that what he's putting out is worthless crap. I like to assume it's the later...to give his ethics the benefit of the doubt. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 24 12:53:05 2005 Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 09:52:43 -0800 (PST) From: Corbett B Subject: Dakar Rally & SuperMoto tonight on OLN To: DC Cycles FYI OLN will be broadcasting stages 6 through ? (out of 16 stages) tonight (1/24/2005) on OLN at 10 p.m. I understand that the Dakar Rally loses two more very talented riders to this 2005, two-week rally from Barcelona to Dakar. The loss is particularly sad as one of the rally's champions, Richard Sainct, recently lost his life in the Rallye des Pharaons in Egypt in 2004. OLN: http://ww2.olntv.com/default.asp Dakar: http://www.dakar.com/2005/us/index.html Sainct article: http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/Article_Page.aspx?ArticleID=1416&Page=1 The South Boston, VA stage of the AMA Supermoto series will be rebroadcast tonight on OLN at 8 p.m. as well. ===== -Corbett '99 BMW K1200RS '04 KTM 625 SMC Supermoto '82 Honda XL250R AMA Member BMW Motorcycle Owners Association Member __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - What will yours do? http://my.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 24 13:36:55 2005 Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 10:36:37 -0800 (PST) From: Corbett B Subject: Baltimore bike show review To: DC Cycles Checked out the Baltimore show this Saturday. The snow kept away most of the crowds and the parking lot next to the convention looked like a 4x4 dealership. In a nutshell, more vendors, less manufacturers, tons of custom Harleys and metric cruisers. A footnote to the KTM folks at DC Cycles, http://www.ellicottcitymotorsports.com/ is now selling KTM and "promises" they're going to carry a large variety of KTM's. I finally got to see a Confederate Hellcat!! An exceptionally cool bike. Much smaller that I imagined. Though cruisers never made the top of my priority list when it comes my acquisitions..that bike is SHARP. Then there's the price tag...$55,000 MSRP, show price $47,000. Ouch...uh...any chance we could drop say, $20k if we lose the carbon fiber bits? Didn't see any Pagans or Hells Angels but did see two very bored reps from Orange County Choppers (Cody & Vinny) sitting at a table signing autographs at the end of an assembly-line style process where gawkers purchased shirts and calenders, paid a cashier, and submitted their items for an autograph. Several of OCC's theme bikes were parked in an exaggerated, cordoned-off area too far away for non-paying gawkers to see.. Thought I'd miss the bulk of the snow if I headed back towards DC by 2 p.m. - WRONG! Ended up dodging sliding and stuck vehicles for 2 1/2 hrs while soldiering forth at speeds of 30 - 40 mph on largely unplowed/unsanded I-95 and BWI PKWY...nerve racking trying to pass the "white knuckled" crowd with their hazard lights on driving down the middle of the road when two navigable lanes (out of four) exists..was happy to get back to the familiar bad roads of DC. Isn't there a Timonium, MD show coming up too? It seems I remember factions of the Baltimore show split off to form the Timonium show which actually may be better. Anyone remember the deal there? --- Troutman wrote: > FYI - there is a LEO warning to look out for Pagans > at this weekend's > Baltimore bike show. There is a strong possibility > of gang violence if > they get too close to the Hells Angels. The HA have > declared war on the > Pagans after a beating in NJ a few weeks ago. > ===== -Corbett '99 BMW K1200RS '04 KTM 625 SMC Supermoto '82 Honda XL250R AMA Member BMW Motorcycle Owners Association Member __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? All your favorites on one personal page )B– Try My Yahoo! http://my.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 25 19:55:47 2005 From: "Rob Sharp" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: OT: Auto body shop Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 20:05:25 -0500 I am looking for a decent autobody shop in the rockville/gaithersburg area that can fix my S10. Anyone have a place they would recommend? Rob -- Rob Sharp rob@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 25 20:41:41 2005 Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 21:00:17 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: OT: Auto body shop On Tue, 25 Jan 2005, Rob Sharp wrote: > I am looking for a decent autobody shop in the rockville/gaithersburg area > that can fix my S10. Anyone have a place they would recommend? Good and expensive, Master Crafters. I haven't used them in probably 5 years, so YMMV. Might be worth at least a consultation to be sure Kenny is still the owner. Not sure about good and inexpensive. :-) -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 25 23:21:11 2005 From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: OT: Auto body shop Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 23:20:15 -0500 True2Form on Snouffer School road has been pretty good when we've used them. Good service and reasonable pricing. >From: "Rob Sharp" >To: "DC-Cycles" >Subject: OT: Auto body shop >Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 20:05:25 -0500 > >I am looking for a decent autobody shop in the rockville/gaithersburg area >that can fix my S10. Anyone have a place they would recommend? > >Rob > >-- >Rob Sharp >rob@XXXXXX > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 26 07:48:11 2005 Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 07:48:03 -0500 From: Michael Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Sean Jordan , Thomas Jordan , mike@XXXXXX Subject: Fwd: [VStrom2] want a laugh >Here's the link. It is worth the click: >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6501592439 Finally - a cause that I can support! Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 26 08:14:17 2005 From: "Rob Keiser" To: rob@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: OT: Auto body shop Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 08:13:37 -0500 Rob, My Dad was referred to this place a number of years ago, and they did a really nice job on his car. AMATUCCI BROTHERS AUTO BODY 4 E Cedar Ave Gaithersburg, MD 20877 (301) 670-1220 Just an FYI. Rob '98 VFR800 From: "Rob Sharp" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: OT: Auto body shop Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 20:05:25 -0500 I am looking for a decent autobody shop in the rockville/gaithersburg area that can fix my S10. Anyone have a place they would recommend? Rob -- Rob Sharp rob@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 26 09:26:55 2005 Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 06:26:48 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: OT: Auto body shop To: rob@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Santos & Sons 1074 Taft St Rockville, MD 20850-1308 Phone: (301) 340-0393 Business Types: Automobile Body-Repairing & Painting i don't know if they do work on domestic vehicles, but they were reasonable and did quality work for me in the past. --- Rob Keiser wrote: > Rob, > > My Dad was referred to this place a number of years ago, > and they did a > really nice job on his car. > > AMATUCCI BROTHERS AUTO BODY 4 E Cedar Ave Gaithersburg, > MD 20877 (301) > 670-1220 > > Just an FYI. > > Rob > '98 VFR800 > > From: "Rob Sharp" > To: "DC-Cycles" > Subject: OT: Auto body shop > Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 20:05:25 -0500 > > I am looking for a decent autobody shop in the > rockville/gaithersburg area > that can fix my S10. Anyone have a place they would > recommend? > > Rob > > -- > Rob Sharp > rob@XXXXXX > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 27 10:33:12 2005 Subject: Cheap track bikes Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 10:33:05 -0500 From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" To: "DC-Cycles" Hey all, Since the list is REAL slow these days, I figure I'll put this out there. Me and a riding bud are looking for a pair of cheap bikes for the track. Not for racing, more just for practicing and attempting stuff that I wouldn't otherwise do on my 600 pound beast. New or used are both options, depending on what we can get. Generally, it should be something that's fairly low maintenance and doesn't require a ton of prep work. Doesn't need to be street legal, but wouldn't mind if it can at least do street speeds (say 80 mph or so if pushed). Any ideas? --smthng http://spaces.msn.com/members/smthng From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 27 10:44:58 2005 Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 07:44:32 -0800 (PST) From: "James O'Connor" Subject: Re: Cheap track bikes To: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" , DC-Cycles Kaw ex500 may fit the bill, if you're looking for sport/street bike. Cheap bike with enough power to use. Won't throttle wheelie, but will using the clutch. Won't pull a stoppie as easy as a supersport, but will lift the rear if you try. Bike only weighs 380lbs, makes 50ish hp, and is plentiful (parts are cheap too). Has remained relatively unchanged since the '80s, but had a relatively significant update in '94. - Jimmy --- "Jonathan W. Kalmes" wrote: Me and a riding bud are looking for a pair of cheap bikes > for > the track. Not for racing, more just for practicing and attempting > stuff that I wouldn't otherwise do on my 600 pound beast. New or > used > are both options, depending on what we can get. Generally, it > should be > something that's fairly low maintenance and doesn't require a ton > of > prep work. Doesn't need to be street legal, but wouldn't mind if > it can > at least do street speeds (say 80 mph or so if pushed). Any ideas? > > --smthng > http://spaces.msn.com/members/smthng > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 27 11:16:03 2005 Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 08:15:53 -0800 (PST) From: Ian Schmidt Subject: OT:Gold's Gym To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Since no one is really doing on topic posts. I thought I'd ask a general question that people can ping me off list about. Has anyone used Gold's Gym? How much is memebership? Is it worth it? I tried the website before anyone tells me to try that but I'm looking for an actual personal experience here. Thanks, Ian __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 27 15:28:51 2005 Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 12:28:43 -0800 (PST) From: Ian Schmidt Subject: Re:OT Gold's Gym To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Thanks to everyone who chimed in on the Gold's question. It sounds like I'll probably end up sticking with my current workout situation. I do appreciate all the info though thanks. Ian __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 27 15:57:15 2005 From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Cheap track bikes Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 15:56:44 -0500 This seems like a fun winter topic... While I don't dislike the ex500, I seem to recall hearing complaints about it using "odd" size wheels and tires. I don't know that it is an issue, but I'm thinking that most track bikes seem to use 17" wheels, and there would be a lot choices in tires for that size. I think it would be a blast to pick up something light, inexpensive, uses standard size wheels, good power, handling, etc. for track days and what not. What other suggestions could be made? Perry >From: "James O'Connor" >To: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" , DC-Cycles > >Subject: Re: Cheap track bikes >Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 07:44:32 -0800 (PST) > >Kaw ex500 may fit the bill, if you're looking for sport/street bike. >Cheap bike with enough power to use. Won't throttle wheelie, but >will using the clutch. Won't pull a stoppie as easy as a supersport, >but will lift the rear if you try. Bike only weighs 380lbs, makes >50ish hp, and is plentiful (parts are cheap too). Has remained >relatively unchanged since the '80s, but had a relatively significant >update in '94. >- Jimmy > > >--- "Jonathan W. Kalmes" wrote: >Me and a riding bud are looking for a pair of cheap bikes > > for > > the track. Not for racing, more just for practicing and attempting > > stuff that I wouldn't otherwise do on my 600 pound beast. New or > > used > > are both options, depending on what we can get. Generally, it > > should be > > something that's fairly low maintenance and doesn't require a ton > > of > > prep work. Doesn't need to be street legal, but wouldn't mind if > > it can > > at least do street speeds (say 80 mph or so if pushed). Any ideas? > > > > --smthng > > http://spaces.msn.com/members/smthng > > > > > > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 27 16:11:12 2005 From: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Cheap track bikes Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 16:11:02 -0500 That does seem fun. I know I would love to do the same but maybe more toward the motard side of things. I like the looks of the DRZ400sm (I think that right) that Suzuki has out now looks real fun and relatively cheap brand new. -----Original Message----- From: Perry Coleman [mailto:perrycoleman@XXXXXX] To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Cheap track bikes This seems like a fun winter topic... While I don't dislike the ex500, I seem to recall hearing complaints about it using "odd" size wheels and tires. I don't know that it is an issue, but I'm thinking that most track bikes seem to use 17" wheels, and there would be a lot choices in tires for that size. I think it would be a blast to pick up something light, inexpensive, uses standard size wheels, good power, handling, etc. for track days and what not. What other suggestions could be made? Perry >From: "James O'Connor" >To: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" , DC-Cycles > >Subject: Re: Cheap track bikes >Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 07:44:32 -0800 (PST) > >Kaw ex500 may fit the bill, if you're looking for sport/street bike. >Cheap bike with enough power to use. Won't throttle wheelie, but >will using the clutch. Won't pull a stoppie as easy as a supersport, >but will lift the rear if you try. Bike only weighs 380lbs, makes >50ish hp, and is plentiful (parts are cheap too). Has remained >relatively unchanged since the '80s, but had a relatively significant >update in '94. >- Jimmy > > >--- "Jonathan W. Kalmes" wrote: >Me and a riding bud are looking for a pair of cheap bikes > > for > > the track. Not for racing, more just for practicing and attempting > > stuff that I wouldn't otherwise do on my 600 pound beast. New or > > used > > are both options, depending on what we can get. Generally, it > > should be > > something that's fairly low maintenance and doesn't require a ton > > of > > prep work. Doesn't need to be street legal, but wouldn't mind if > > it can > > at least do street speeds (say 80 mph or so if pushed). Any ideas? > > > > --smthng > > http://spaces.msn.com/members/smthng > > > > > > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 27 16:13:27 2005 Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 13:13:24 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Cheap track bikes To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX The late model EX500 (with a rear disc brake) has 17" wheels. The '92? or older has the drum rear brake and 16" wheels. The tires are still rather narrow, but at least you can find 17" fairly easy. Leon Riding an even less expensive EX250 --- Perry Coleman wrote: > This seems like a fun winter topic... > > While I don't dislike the ex500, I seem to recall > hearing complaints about > it using "odd" size wheels and tires. I don't know > that it is an issue, but > I'm thinking that most track bikes seem to use 17" > wheels, and there would > be a lot choices in tires for that size. > > I think it would be a blast to pick up something > light, inexpensive, uses > standard size wheels, good power, handling, etc. for > track days and what > not. What other suggestions could be made? > > Perry > > >From: "James O'Connor" > >To: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" , > DC-Cycles > > > >Subject: Re: Cheap track bikes > >Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 07:44:32 -0800 (PST) > > > >Kaw ex500 may fit the bill, if you're looking for > sport/street bike. > >Cheap bike with enough power to use. Won't > throttle wheelie, but > >will using the clutch. Won't pull a stoppie as > easy as a supersport, > >but will lift the rear if you try. Bike only > weighs 380lbs, makes > >50ish hp, and is plentiful (parts are cheap too). > Has remained > >relatively unchanged since the '80s, but had a > relatively significant > >update in '94. > >- Jimmy > > > > > >--- "Jonathan W. Kalmes" > wrote: > >Me and a riding bud are looking for a pair of cheap > bikes > > > for > > > the track. Not for racing, more just for > practicing and attempting > > > stuff that I wouldn't otherwise do on my 600 > pound beast. New or > > > used > > > are both options, depending on what we can get. > Generally, it > > > should be > > > something that's fairly low maintenance and > doesn't require a ton > > > of > > > prep work. Doesn't need to be street legal, but > wouldn't mind if > > > it can > > > at least do street speeds (say 80 mph or so if > pushed). Any ideas? > > > > > > --smthng > > > http://spaces.msn.com/members/smthng > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > >http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 27 16:17:57 2005 Subject: RE: Cheap track bikes Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 16:17:53 -0500 From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" To: >I think it would be a blast to pick up something light, >inexpensive, uses standard size wheels, good power, handling, >etc. for track days and what not. What other suggestions could be made? I've been doing some hunting and I've not come much closer. Nothing decent I can find is cheap enough to be able to swing past the wife yet. I'm thinking about going with an old Seca II, just because I know them and they're pretty fun for what they are. Unfortunately, there you also run into the odd tire size issue with that. I know of only one company that still makes a rear that fits. :( What I'd really like is something like the Aprilia RS125, but in a 250... http://www.aprilia.com/models03/road/eng/modello.phtml?id=27 I imagine race specific bikes like that are quite pricey though. :( --smthng http://spaces.msn.com/members/smthng From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 27 16:26:38 2005 Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 16:34:22 -0500 From: Laura Roach To: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Cheap track bikes >What I'd really like is something like the Aprilia RS125, but in a >250... >http://www.aprilia.com/models03/road/eng/modello.phtml?id=27 > > > The best track day bike if you want a two stroke is the aprilia RS250. They are fairly easy to get. We get them at the shop all of the time. I used to have one and it was a total BLAST! They're light, handle like a dream, and they are basically gas and go. But you have to want to ride a two stroke. Laura www.speedwerks.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 27 17:00:15 2005 Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 14:00:01 -0800 (PST) From: "James O'Connor" Subject: Re: Cheap track bikes To: Perry Coleman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Yes, the older ex500s ran 16" wheels. However, the newer...92-94(?) change over moved to 17" wheels. The front will accomodate a 120/70/17 (standard is 110/70/17) and the rear will fit a 150/60/17 (standard is 130/70/17). I don't necessarily agree with fitting such a wide tire on the rim, but some folks do it. - Jimmy --- Perry Coleman wrote: > This seems like a fun winter topic... > > While I don't dislike the ex500, I seem to recall hearing > complaints about > it using "odd" size wheels and tires. I don't know that it is an > issue, but > I'm thinking that most track bikes seem to use 17" wheels, and > there would > be a lot choices in tires for that size. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! http://my.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 27 18:27:00 2005 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Periodic nag: off-topic posts Content-ID: <24702.1106868399.1@XXXXXX> Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 18:26:39 -0500 From: Harry Mantakos Please do not direct off-topic posts to the dc-cycles list. On-topic is defined (generously, I think) as anything remotely related to motorcycling. Putting "OT" in the subject line doesn't "make it okay", it's like holding up a sign that says "I just farted" in a crowded elevator (thanks for the warning, but...) BTW, this practice doesn't change in the winter, when we seem to have less motivation to talk on-topic stuff. It's okay for the list to have quiet spells. -harry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 27 20:10:40 2005 Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 20:10:31 -0500 From: Paul Wilson To: DC-Cycles Subject: Gatso Gourmet How do your like your Gatso prepared? Broiled, baked, roasted, braised with a delicate orange sauce? http://www.speedcam.co.uk/gatso2.htm -- Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR - 90 KLR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 27 21:19:54 2005 Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 21:19:47 -0500 From: Paul Wilson To: DC-Cycles Subject: Study on Va. Red Light Cameras http://www.thenewspaper.com/rlc/news.asp?ID=117 Study commissioned by VDOT shows increase in rear-end crashes at red light camera locations. We've heard this before Also note this twist, something I haven't seen before. It's an interesting "monkey wrench" angle. You may be able to ignore those notices, unless the cities and counties with red light cameras want to gear up to serve you in person: "There is a practical issue with regard to issuing citations for red light running: the Code of Virginia requires that an in-person summons, rather than certified mail, be used to compel an individual to appear in court. Because of the high cost of delivering summonses outside Virginia, this requirement could make the programs administratively difficult for some localities if it became commonly known that only an in-person summons can require a vehicle owner either to pay the penalty or to appear in court. However, the program can still legally continue in its present form without a change in the Code. Page xii The one surviving legal worry actually turns out to be a practical problem, generated by the interaction of the notice provisions in the enabling statute and the Commonwealth's other service requirements. Because the mere mailing of a ticket without personal service by a law enforcement officer does not constitute sufficient notice under the statute's own terms, successful enforcement may require personal in-hand service if the accused fails to either pay the penalty or come to court. Although the statute permits the jurisdiction to make the initial attempt to summon the accused to court via mail, if the person fails to respond, he or she is not considered to have been satisfactorily served with notice. However, personal service on all violators is obviously a very expensive proposition, involving many personnel hours, and would defeat one of the primary motivating factors for employing automated detection systems in the first place)B—a reduction in the number of officers required to enforce red light laws. Thus, unless a jurisdiction is willing to devote resources to implementing extensive in-hand service, citations mailed for red light camera violations become essentially unenforceable. The average citizen is probably not aware of this loophole, but if word were widely disseminated, such knowledge could completely undermine the effectiveness of red light camera programs, as citations issued to violators would lose their practical impact. Again, this is a practical, but not legal, challenge. Page 17" -- Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR - 90 KLR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 27 21:47:06 2005 From: "Dave Yates" To: "'DC-Cycles'" Subject: RE: Gatso Gourmet Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 21:49:06 -0500 X-ELNK-Trace: 956056117932dab21aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79ec323cca11e5a83f054c5487723920f8350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c Well done please! NO pink inside...well...maybe just a little ;-) Dave -----Original Message----- From: Paul Wilson [mailto:dcmcrider@XXXXXX] To: DC-Cycles Subject: Gatso Gourmet How do your like your Gatso prepared? Broiled, baked, roasted, braised with a delicate orange sauce? http://www.speedcam.co.uk/gatso2.htm -- Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR - 90 KLR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 27 22:30:05 2005 X-Superb-Authentication: SMTP AUTH verified Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 22:30:06 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Chubb Subject: RE: Cheap track bikes X-Spam-Level: Another bike that can be fun if you are not too tall is a Yamaha YX600. Light, fast, easy to work on, parts are available and cheap. Good Internet groups for support and any parts you might need. Mid 80's through 1990 are usually low mileage and have plenty of power, especially when you start sneaking up on the redline. You could be upgraded to new brakes, clutch, chain, tires and tuned up on the track for under $2000 if you can find the bike in the $1200-$1500 range. Only killer is that you have drum rear brakes, which is a deal killer for some. Chubber At 07:00 PM 1/27/2005, you wrote: >I've been doing some hunting and I've not come much closer. Nothing >decent I can find is cheap enough to be able to swing past the wife yet. >I'm thinking about going with an old Seca II, just because I know them >and they're pretty fun for what they are. Unfortunately, there you also >run into the odd tire size issue with that. I know of only one company >that still makes a rear that fits. :( From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 28 09:26:19 2005 Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 09:26:16 -0500 From: "Chris Norloff" To: DC-Cycles Subject: RE: Study on Va. Red Light Cameras Here's the complete report: http://www.virginiadot.org/vtrc/main/online_reports/pdf/05-r21.pdf Too bad they couldn't quantify if the total effect was worth it - do the reduced injuries from t-bone collisions caused by red light runners offest the increased injuries from rear-end collisions from people stopping for a red light. "Finally, an operational analysis based on violations and crashes shows a potential but not definite safety improvement. The cameras clearly affect driver behavior: across the 23 intersections where reliable citation data could be obtained, citations decreased by an average of 21 percent per intersection. Further the data show that the cameras are correlated with a definite decrease in crashes that are directly attributable to red light running, a definite increase in rear-end crashes, a possible decrease in angle crashes, a net decrease in injury crashes attributable to red light running, and an increase in total injury crashes. More time is needed to determine whether the severity of the eliminated red light running crashes was greater than that of the induced rear-end crashes." ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Paul Wilson Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 21:19:47 -0500 >http://www.thenewspaper.com/rlc/news.asp?ID=117 > >Study commissioned by VDOT shows increase in rear-end crashes at red >light camera locations. We've heard this before From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 28 09:51:23 2005 From: "W.S." To: "DC-Cycles" Cc: Subject: OT:Gold's Gym Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 09:50:58 -0500 I've received a couple of "Free 10 Day Trial Membership" cards in the last weeks. Try 1 800 99 GOLDS, talk to them about "Beating the 2005 rate increase", and clear the minor age/resident restrictions. Bill S. / DC (on digest) '99 VN750 > Got my exercise in Wednesday's 50's. Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From: Ian Schmidt Since no one is really doing on topic posts. I thought I'd ask a general question that people can ping me off list about. Has anyone used Gold's Gym? How much is memebership? Is it worth it? I tried the website before anyone tells me to try that but I'm looking for an actual personal experience here. Thanks, Ian From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 28 10:11:53 2005 From: "W.S." To: "DC-Cycles" Cc: Subject: Re: Periodic nag: off-topic posts Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 10:11:28 -0500 Wrist duly slapped. Bill S. / DC (on digest) '99 VN750 > Yes. This list is my territory. Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. --------- From: Harry Mantakos Please do not direct off-topic posts to the dc-cycles list. . . .snip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 28 12:23:21 2005 Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 12:23:16 -0500 From: Sean Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Cheap track bikes On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 14:00:01 -0800 (PST), James O'Connor wrote: >The front will accomodate a 120/70/17 (standard is 110/70/17) If the stock front tire is a 110, that's what I'd stay with for track use. When I first started racing my '90 FZR400, it had a 120 tire on the front. When I bought new tires, I switched to a 110 (the proper size) and was AMAZED at how much more quickly the bike turned in! Speaking of the FZR, if you're looking for a cheap, FUN track-bike, I can think of nothing better than the FZR400! It's relatively easy to find decent bikes that are already fully track-ready. Talk to Speedwerks in Dover, Delaware (cue: Laura and Brian Roach) if you're interested in one. - Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 28 12:27:44 2005 Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 09:27:37 -0800 (PST) From: Ian Schmidt Subject: Re: Periodic nag: off-topic posts To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Not to be a pain in the ass but I asked this question because I needed information and I wanted a broad variety of responses. You'll also notice that I had asked to be responded to off list so as to not clog the list with answers others did not want to read or deal with. In general, I agree that it's nice that the list has quiet spells but I don't feel that it's wrong to post a topic that someone wants help with getting information on and taking it off list. Believe me this is not a slam or anything other than an opinion. Ian > From: Harry Mantakos > > Please do not direct off-topic posts to the > dc-cycles list. > > . . .snip __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 28 12:37:27 2005 Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 12:37:19 -0500 From: Sean Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: ON Topic Post! (Repent, sinners! The end is nigh!) A man is stranded on a desert island, all alone for ten years. One day, he sees a speck in the horizon. He thinks to himself, "It's not a ship." The speck gets a little closer and he thinks, "It's not a boat." The speck gets even closer and he thinks, "It's not a raft." Then, out of the surf comes this gorgeous blonde woman, wearing a wet suit and scuba gear. She comes up to the guy and she says, "How long has it been since you've had a cigarette?" "Ten years!" he says. She reaches over, unzips a waterproof pocket on her left sleeve and pulls out a pack of fresh cigarettes. He takes one, lights it, takes a long drag and says, "Man, oh man! Is that good!" Then she asks, "How long has it been since you've had a drink of whiskey?" He replies, "Ten years!" She reaches over, unzips her waterproof pocket on the right, pulls out a flask and gives it to him. He takes a long swig and says, "Wow, that's fantastic!" Then she starts unzipping this long zipper that runs down the front of her wet suit and she says to him, "And how long has it been since you've had some REAL fun?" And the man replies, "My God! Don't tell me you've got a motorcycle in there!" - Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 28 12:42:56 2005 Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 12:42:44 -0500 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: ON Topic Post! (Repent, sinners! The end is nigh!) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX "And how long has it been since you've had some REAL fun?" And the man replies, "My God! Don't tell me you've got a motorcycle in there!" > >- Sean Jordan [Dave] Anybody close by? Somebody sprinkle some holy water on Jordan's keyboard... Him too while you're at it... ;-) Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 28 12:50:26 2005 From: "Bruce N" To: "Ian Schmidt" , Subject: Re: Periodic nag: off-topic posts Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 12:41:35 -0500 Apparently Harry does feel it is wrong and he is the list owner. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Schmidt" but I don't feel that it's wrong to > post a topic that someone wants help with getting > information on and taking it off list. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 28 14:35:31 2005 Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 14:33:01 -0500 From: skip To: DC Cycles Subject: it's painful to watch http://media2.big-boys.com/badweatherman.swf I rode in Ohio, so it's not OT. --skip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 28 14:54:58 2005 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 14:54:44 EST Subject: Re: Study on Va. Red Light Cameras To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 1/28/2005 9:26:31 AM Eastern Standard Time, cnorloff@XXXXXX writes: > More time is needed to determine whether the severity of the eliminated red > light running crashes was greater than that of the induced rear-end crashes." They must also include intersections that do _not_ have red light cameras to see if there is also an increase in rear end collisions at those intersections. I can see how someone, in unfamiliar territory, who fears red light cameras might slam on the brakes and cause a rear end collision even if there is no camera at that intersection. Also _serious_ injuries at intersections are not likely to be caused by people running "pink" lights (my wifes term) but by people who do not see, or ignore, the light altogether, running the light when cross traffic is already flowing. Red light cameras can have no effect on those folks at all. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC 1999, Honda ST1100X Pan European 1983, BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles 1976, Honda CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 28 17:11:17 2005 From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Cheap track bikes Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 17:10:48 -0500 Speaking of FZR400's, check out this eBay auction. The bike is in Cockeysville, MD. A bit of a fixer- upper, though... http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=6718&item=4522399008&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW Perry >From: Sean Jordan >Reply-To: Sean Jordan >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Cheap track bikes >Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 12:23:16 -0500 > >On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 14:00:01 -0800 (PST), James O'Connor > wrote: > >The front will accomodate a 120/70/17 (standard is 110/70/17) > >If the stock front tire is a 110, that's what I'd stay with for track >use. When I first started racing my '90 FZR400, it had a 120 tire on >the front. When I bought new tires, I switched to a 110 (the proper >size) and was AMAZED at how much more quickly the bike turned in! > >Speaking of the FZR, if you're looking for a cheap, FUN track-bike, I >can think of nothing better than the FZR400! It's relatively easy to >find decent bikes that are already fully track-ready. Talk to >Speedwerks in Dover, Delaware (cue: Laura and Brian Roach) if you're >interested in one. > >- Sean Jordan > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jan 30 16:41:06 2005 Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 13:40:57 -0800 (PST) From: Sally Weaver Subject: Periodic nag: off-topic posts To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Gee, Harry...where were you during all those gun threads? ;^) From: "Bruce N" To: "Ian Schmidt" , Subject: Re: Periodic nag: off-topic posts Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 12:41:35 -0500 Apparently Harry does feel it is wrong and he is the list owner. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Schmidt" but I don't feel that it's wrong to > post a topic that someone wants help with getting > information on and taking it off list. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 31 14:21:04 2005 From: bernescut@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Interesting feedback Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 14:20:19 -0500 The editor of Motorcycle Daily wrote that in his opinion being a motorcycle LEO was the hardest job out there and he got some interesting feedback from his LEO readers. Some time ago lister Patti took the rider training that's mentioned and gave a great write up on the course. I wonder how many minutes into the class I'd wash out. Picking up a Road King by myself several times in one day would make me look for a new job very quickly :) It's a long read, but worthwhile. http://www.motorcycledaily.com/26january05_policerespond.htm Cedric Bernescut Network Administrator Inspirational Thought for the Day: http://tinyurl.com/zbgs From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 31 17:26:48 2005 Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 17:26:39 -0500 From: Paul Wilson To: DC-Cycles Subject: More Speed Cameras I was out and about on the VFR on Saturday and saw the new speed cam installation on MacArthur Blvd. It's right by the reservoir, out in the open and hard to miss. It appears to be in the eastbound lane (going towards Georgetown). Not certain if it's active yet. It kept it to 25, so as to not find out for sure. Some nice riding Saturday, certainly better than yesterday, although I did take the KLR out for a spin. -- Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR - 90 KLR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 31 17:57:08 2005 Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 14:57:01 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: Interesting feedback To: bernescut@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX One of the Beemer Boards has a Motor Instructor that just ran a school for his Dept i Fl. He detailed soem of the two weeks events. http://bmwsporttouring.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=441663&page=&view=&sb=5&o=&fpart=1&vc=1 --- bernescut@XXXXXX wrote: > The editor of Motorcycle Daily wrote that in his > opinion being a motorcycle > LEO was the hardest job out there and he got some > interesting feedback from > his LEO readers. Some time ago lister Patti took > the rider training that's > mentioned and gave a great write up on the course. > I wonder how many > minutes into the class I'd wash out. Picking up a > Road King by myself > several times in one day would make me look for a > new job very quickly :) > It's a long read, but worthwhile. > http://www.motorcycledaily.com/26january05_policerespond.htm > Cedric Bernescut > Network Administrator > > Inspirational Thought for the Day: > > http://tinyurl.com/zbgs > > ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 31 19:00:47 2005 Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 19:00:43 -0500 From: Michael Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Fwd: [LDRider] Moose Pic And you thought that deer were bad... http://imagesdesavions.com/moose Michael J.