From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 1 17:16:32 2004 Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2004 17:12:06 -0500 To: Carl Schelin , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: More parts At 04:59 PM 12/30/03 -0500, Carl Schelin wrote: >On the plus side. Last week I went out to the Harley to go home and >found the front wheel pointed in the wrong direction. Normally it's >pointed left and the forks are locked. I wonder if someone tried to steal the bike and only got as far as breaking the fork lock? Just a possibility... -- Mike B. **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 1 17:17:23 2004 Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2004 17:15:08 -0500 To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: white's ferry ride At 02:52 PM 12/31/03 EST, PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > >> Anybody ever try attaching a map pocket to their forearm or thigh? > >Yea. > >But the tape rips out an awful lot of hair when you pull it off. Only the first couple of times... -- Mike B. **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 2 05:00:47 2004 Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 02:00:47 -0800 (PST) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Pleasant Commute. An unexpectedly pleasant commute this morning. I haven't been feeling well and couldn't sleep, and eventually gave up at 0dark30 and rode in. After Wednesday's 0dark30 commute (the most miserable of recent memory), I was a little concerned about the cold, but needn't have been. It was a balmy 50 degrees or so, and there was only light traffic on the dry roads. The sort of ride where you pick a lane (right of center, which just about describes me politically as well) and a cruising speed (65-70 indicated, which made me the slowest thing on the road, but *shrug*) and don't bother with unnecessary complications like lane changes or braking. Whee! Fish. zen From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 2 09:07:20 2004 Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 09:07:14 -0500 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: Pleasant Commute. To: DC-Cycles Fish pointed out: >An unexpectedly pleasant commute this morning...Wednesday's >0dark30 commute (the most miserable of recent memory), I was >a little concerned ... >The sort of ride where you pick a lane (right of center, >which just about describes me politically as well) and a >cruising speed (65-70 indicated, which made me the slowest >thing on the road, but *shrug*) and don't bother >with unnecessary complications like lane changes or braking. [Dave] Enjoy them where you can, but don't get lulled into a false sense of security. I also enjoy the relative calm of the 0 (not "oh") dark thirty commute, but don't see many of them these days. Instead, I see a Purgatory of cages, broken pavement, red traffic lights that are incredibly poorly timed and today - rain. Plus, I think Monday School starts back again, adding another 10 - 12 minutes to my commute... Ah, but those 0-Dark-Thirty rides on 495... Nothing but the sound of the motor, and tooth jarring impact of the pavement ripples along the ride... Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 2 19:03:47 2004 Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 16:03:43 -0800 (PST) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Bike Show To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Hey, we'll be at the Custom Bike Show in Chantilly on Saturday. Here's the info: http://www.cycleprousa.com/showinfo.cfm?showid=47 $15 per adult entrance fee. Carl __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Find out what made the Top Yahoo! Searches of 2003 http://search.yahoo.com/top2003 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 2 20:22:23 2004 Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2004 20:22:11 -0500 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: dm_gsxr@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike Show X-AOL-IP: 152.163.253.71 Speaking of Bike Shows, the Toyota/AMA/International Motorcycle Show is being held next weekend at the DC Convention Center. I purchased two tickets in advance and now only have need for one of them. Anyone want the other? Price is what I paid, $12. First come, first served. :-) Scooter In a message dated 1/2/2004 7:03:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, dm_gsxr@XXXXXX writes: > > > Hey, we'll be at the Custom Bike Show in Chantilly on > Saturday. Here's the > info: > > http://www.cycleprousa.com/showinfo.cfm?showid=47 > > $15 per adult entrance fee. > > Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 2 20:40:07 2004 Reply-To: "S. Russell" From: "S. Russell" To: , , Subject: Re: Bike Show Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 20:39:01 -0500 Read somewhere that Yamaha is having a riding show, allowing people to test ride bikes, not sure if that is true or not. Went to the webpage and can't figure it out. If anyone is going I would like to ride up with people on Sunday, I live in Rockville. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 8:22 PM Subject: Re: Bike Show > Speaking of Bike Shows, the Toyota/AMA/International Motorcycle Show is being held next weekend at the DC Convention Center. I purchased two tickets in advance and now only have need for one of them. Anyone want the other? Price is what I paid, $12. First come, first served. :-) > > Scooter > > In a message dated 1/2/2004 7:03:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, dm_gsxr@XXXXXX writes: > > > > > > > Hey, we'll be at the Custom Bike Show in Chantilly on > > Saturday. Here's the > > info: > > > > http://www.cycleprousa.com/showinfo.cfm?showid=47 > > > > $15 per adult entrance fee. > > > > Carl > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 3 08:37:57 2004 Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2004 08:36:55 -0500 To: Carl Schelin , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Bike Show At 04:03 PM 1/2/04 -0800, Carl Schelin wrote: >Hey, we'll be at the Custom Bike Show in Chantilly on Saturday. Here's the >info: > >http://www.cycleprousa.com/showinfo.cfm?showid=47 > >$15 per adult entrance fee. I was thinking of going Sunday. $15 seems kind of steep though...is this thing really that good? Especially given that there's another one at the D.C. Convention Center next week? -- Mike B. **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 3 09:22:34 2004 Reply-To: "S. Russell" From: "S. Russell" To: "Carl Schelin" , , "Mike Bartman" Subject: Re: Bike Show Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 09:21:56 -0500 and there is another one next weekend in Chantilly too, which one to go to hmmm. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Bartman" To: "Carl Schelin" ; Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2004 8:36 AM Subject: Re: Bike Show > At 04:03 PM 1/2/04 -0800, Carl Schelin wrote: > >Hey, we'll be at the Custom Bike Show in Chantilly on Saturday. Here's the > >info: > > > >http://www.cycleprousa.com/showinfo.cfm?showid=47 > > > >$15 per adult entrance fee. > > I was thinking of going Sunday. $15 seems kind of steep though...is this > thing really that good? Especially given that there's another one at the > D.C. Convention Center next week? > > -- Mike B. > > **************************************************************************** > * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * > * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * > * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * > *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* > * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * > **************************************************************************** > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 3 13:21:47 2004 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike Show Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2004 13:10:26 -0500 I believe the one in Chantilly is mostly custum cruisers. The one in DC is all the new '04s basically. >From: Mike Bartman >To: Carl Schelin , dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Bike Show >Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2004 08:36:55 -0500 > >At 04:03 PM 1/2/04 -0800, Carl Schelin wrote: > >Hey, we'll be at the Custom Bike Show in Chantilly on Saturday. Here's >the > >info: > > > >http://www.cycleprousa.com/showinfo.cfm?showid=47 > > > >$15 per adult entrance fee. > >I was thinking of going Sunday. $15 seems kind of steep though...is this >thing really that good? Especially given that there's another one at the >D.C. Convention Center next week? > >-- Mike B. > >**************************************************************************** >* Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated >* >* Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered >* >* omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated >* >*--------------------------------------------------------------------------* >* "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! >* >**************************************************************************** > _________________________________________________________________ Take advantage of our limited-time introductory offer for dial-up Internet access. http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 3 16:30:20 2004 Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 13:30:16 -0800 (PST) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Re: Bike Show To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- rich hall wrote: > I believe the one in Chantilly is mostly custum cruisers. > The one in DC is all the new '04s basically. > Yea, from what I was reading the DC one is new bikes and the one today (which we missed) is custom bikes (you can enter your own for prises). I wasn't able to talk Rita into going today. Tomorrow either we'll be there or I'll be there. I'm not interested in the new 04's. It opens at 10am and ends at 5pm (if you didn't go to the site). Carl __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 3 16:42:17 2004 Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 13:42:14 -0800 (PST) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Handlebar Sliders To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX The Suzuki didn't have sliders. The left bar was open and the right one looked like it was a different handlebar. I stopped by Coleman's and snagged one of the parts guys. We looked at the diagram for a GSXR and a stock slider has a nut, expander, two spacers, a washer, the cap and a bolt. We checked the handlebars out and discovered the left one still had an expander and a nut. And an 8mm socket behind the nut. I went ahead and picked up a cheap set of sliders and a tank protector. When I got home, I put the left slider in with no problem. I used the hex wrench on the right side to see if I could catch the nut and pull it all out. No such luck. I grabbed a pair of long-nose pliers and tried to use the teeth to catch the edge of the spacer and pull it out. That's when I found the spacer was soft metal (lead probably). After using the pliers to pry out hunks of lead, I was able to inch (well, mm :-) it out and finally had the torn up chunk of spacer. The second spacer, expander and nut dropped right out. Off to the trash for them. I put the right slider in, cleaned off the tank and put the protector on. Lots of riders out today. Several packs of sportbikers. I saw one lady on a red sportbike touching just the tips of her toes to hold the bike level at a light on the way to Coleman's. There were several old-ladies in their big cars yakking on their cell phones. Hope you're riding and not reading. See you tomorrow at the show. If you're there I'll be in my Joe Rocket jacket with a flourescent orange mesh vest and reflective stripes. Say hi. Carl __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Find out what made the Top Yahoo! Searches of 2003 http://search.yahoo.com/top2003 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 3 17:29:07 2004 From: "Sean Steele" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2004 17:28:21 -0500 Subject: Like packs of roving... X-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information Tons of riders out today. Anyone here in that pack of sportbikes headed out of DC on Canal Rd. NW, towards the Chain Bridge, around 4:45pm? There must have been 15 of you guys... it was grand. -Sean '93 Seca II From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 3 19:24:42 2004 Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 16:24:23 -0800 (PST) From: John Kozyn Subject: RE: Like packs of roving... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Sean Steele" Tons of riders out today. Anyone here in that pack of sportbikes headed out of DC on Canal Rd. NW, towards the Chain Bridge, around 4:45pm? There must have been 15 of you guys... it was grand. =========== Nope, our band of merry men headed out to 211 via 691 to 635 and 522 for some twisties :) Then we meandered down to 259 to 613 out to 33, to 220 to 55 and finally back to 66 and home. It was definitely grand and extremely satisfying :) 380 miles RT from Arlington. What a day!! John Kozyn (D-mode) 1999 900SS 1995 VFR750F __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jan 4 02:00:41 2004 Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2004 01:59:04 -0500 To: Carl Schelin , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Bike Show At 01:30 PM 1/3/04 -0800, Carl Schelin wrote: >Yea, from what I was reading the DC one is new bikes and the one today >(which we missed) is custom bikes (you can enter your own for prises). I was at the woodworking show up in Timonium today. Still not sure about tomorrow and the bike show. Be nice to go, but it's supposed to be really warm tomorrow...ride or look? Hmmm....maybe if the 30% chance of rain hits I'll go look. >I wasn't able to talk Rita into going today. Tomorrow either we'll be >there or I'll be there. I'm not interested in the new 04's. I've got a new '04 already, but the other stuff, like J&Ps offerings, are still of interest. >It opens at 10am and ends at 5pm (if you didn't go to the site). Yeah, that's the main problem. We'll see. -- Mike B. "In the representative system, the reason for everything must publicly appear. Every man is a proprietor in government, and considers it a necessary part of his business to understand. It concerns his interest because it affects his property. He examines the cost, and compares it with the advantages; and above all, he does not adopt the slavish custom of following what in other governments are called 'leaders'." -- Tom Paine, _Rights of Man_ (1791-92) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jan 4 02:00:50 2004 Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2004 01:55:57 -0500 To: "rich hall" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Bike Show Just got a note from J&P Cycles that they will be at the D.C. show next week. 10% off orders placed at the show and shipped to your home, 15% if you are part of their "Gold Club" deal. Free catalogs for anyone who wants one too. I've only seen their Harley book, which is pretty good, but I hear they have others for metric and vintage bikes. -- Mike B. At 01:10 PM 1/3/04 -0500, rich hall wrote: >I believe the one in Chantilly is mostly custum cruisers. >The one in DC is all the new '04s basically. > >>From: Mike Bartman >>At 04:03 PM 1/2/04 -0800, Carl Schelin wrote: >> >Hey, we'll be at the Custom Bike Show in Chantilly on Saturday. Here's >>the info: >> > >> >http://www.cycleprousa.com/showinfo.cfm?showid=47 >> > >> >$15 per adult entrance fee. >> >>I was thinking of going Sunday. $15 seems kind of steep though...is this >>thing really that good? Especially given that there's another one at the >>D.C. Convention Center next week? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jan 4 02:23:28 2004 Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 23:23:05 -0800 (PST) From: Adam Reinhardt Subject: "Take-Off" Tire pricing To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I'm new to race tires and I have an extra Michelin Pilot Race front tire that is too large for my front wheel. I was told that it has less than one track day on it and looking at the tire I can see that the center tread is hardly touched although the side tread is somewhat scruffed. My question is if I try to sell this tire on an online forum, what would be a reasonable price to ask? I was thinking maybe $20-30, am I off base here? Thanks, Adam __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Find out what made the Top Yahoo! Searches of 2003 http://search.yahoo.com/top2003 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jan 4 16:24:21 2004 Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2004 13:24:16 -0800 (PST) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Re: "Take-Off" Tire pricing To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX e-bay has 8 tires for a high price of 89.95 for a single rear tire and 75 for a pair of one track day race tires. I guess it depends on the other specs of the tire. Basically check the other locations for similar tires. Find out the retail value and maybe throw it up on e-bay. Carl --- Adam Reinhardt wrote: > > I'm new to race tires and I have an extra Michelin > Pilot Race front tire that is too large for my front > wheel. I was told that it has less than one track day > on it and looking at the tire I can see that the > center tread is hardly touched although the side tread > is somewhat scruffed. My question is if I try to sell > this tire on an online forum, what would be a > reasonable price to ask? I was thinking maybe $20-30, > am I off base here? > > Thanks, > Adam > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Find out what made the Top Yahoo! Searches of 2003 > http://search.yahoo.com/top2003 > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Find out what made the Top Yahoo! Searches of 2003 http://search.yahoo.com/top2003 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jan 4 17:24:19 2004 Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2004 14:24:17 -0800 (PST) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Re: Four headlights, one headache To: drgridlock@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX For the same reason people are getting the extra bright lights. To be seen. My wife drives with her fog lights on. It bothers me sometimes so I'll turn them off. But I notice that more people pull out in front of me when they're off that they do when my wife drives. While it tests my reflexes and patience, I prefer that they see me. As a motorcycle rider, I also drive during the daylight hours with my highbeams on. There are modulating headlights for motorcycles that gradually brighten and dim headlights again for visibility. Back in the 70's when I started riding motorcycles regularly, the headlights were required by law to be on for safety purposes. Nowadays, everyone rides with lights on and bikers are not as easy to see again. Hence the modulating headlights, high beams during the day, led tail lights and turn signals. We just want you to see us. Carl Schelin __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jan 4 17:43:11 2004 Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2004 17:40:52 -0500 From: Laura Roach To: Carl Schelin CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: "Take-Off" Tire pricing If you've got take offs, the best place to sell them is at the track...if someone is buying take offs, they probably aren't going to be willing to pay for shipping. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jan 4 18:22:21 2004 Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2004 15:21:58 -0800 (PST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Mt. Weather Road, What the heck??? To: DC-Cycles I took the Rt. 50 to Mt. Weather Road / Snickerville Pike loop today to get a few miles on the bike (2003 didn't have many miles, gotta start out right with the new year). Right near the weather station, I was anticipating those two sharp 90 degree turns... but they STRAIGHTENED OUT THE ROAD?!?!?!?!?!? When the heck did that happen? How disappointing!! Next thing you know, they'll straighten out that 5 mph hairpin turn at the Rt. 7 end of the Snickerville Pike. (I hate that turn anyway...) Louis ===== "Admiral" Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours Fairfax, VA Please consider helping me support the Pediatric Brain Tumor Foundation http://www.geocities.com/nighthawk700/rideforkids.htm __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Find out what made the Top Yahoo! Searches of 2003 http://search.yahoo.com/top2003 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 5 08:36:32 2004 Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 05:36:26 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Don't Try this... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://www.canadianrider.com/articles/watch_your_fingers.htm __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Find out what made the Top Yahoo! Searches of 2003 http://search.yahoo.com/top2003 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 5 09:57:28 2004 Subject: Happy New Year '04 Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 09:58:35 -0500 From: "Julian Halton" To: Drove my car from Arlington to Montreal, Canada on the 29th of Dec to celebrate the best New Year's ever. Returned back Friday to this gorgeous weather. Saw only two riders on my trip- both in upper NY state on Harley's. Went to check out the custom bike show in Chantilly this week. Saw lots of beautiful bikes- who can afford these things? The accessories seemed to be selling much cheaper than at the stores- I guess they are not the same quality. Before leaving I took a ride from McArthur blvd to Falls road to River road. Great ride and saw many bikers. Also saw a lot of bikes in Old Town Alexandria yesterday. Am looking forward to the bike show this week and one of these days it would be nice to put some more faces to the names on this list. All the best for '04 everyone. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 5 10:02:39 2004 Subject: RE: Happy New Year '04 Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 10:02:27 -0500 From: "Verde, Robert" To: Tons of bikers out yesterday, I got caught out in my cold-weather gear, made for a bit of sweaty ride. Still, gorgeous riding over the weekend! I see the weather report for the upcoming week has temps hitting a high of 30^[)BM-: or so on Wednesday, hope it's a dry cold... ;-/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 5 10:25:11 2004 Subject: Re: Happy New Year '04 From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 05 Jan 2004 10:21:34 -0500 On Mon, 2004-01-05 at 09:58, Julian Halton wrote: > Drove my car from Arlington to Montreal, Canada on the 29th of Dec to > celebrate the best New Year's ever. Returned back Friday to this > gorgeous weather. Saw only two riders on my trip- both in upper NY > state on Harley's. You should have riden. Then there would have been three :-) > Went to check out the custom bike show in Chantilly > this week. Saw lots of beautiful bikes- who can afford these things? We were there yesterday. There were quite a few show bikes but there were also several old style panhead, shovelhead and triumph choppers. I got quite a few ideas and some understanding on some things for my project bike. The show bikes for the most part looked very similar. Different paint jobs here and there and the presentations were varied. There was one guy in the back with a Gold Wing and lots of blue LEDs. He also had a bunch of electronic gadgets like a cell phone and GPS. There was a nice sidecar bike on the left side that was painted on the bottom of the sidecar. I can't imagine actually riding some of these $30k + bikes. Rita said she'd like to ride in the bike with the sidecar. It might be fun for snow as well :-) In one of the show bike areas I overheard someone say that a 5'7" woman showed up yesterday, saw one of the bikes she liked, put the $30k on her credit card and drove it off. I think I was the only guy there not in leathers or sporting a biker slogan t-shirt (I had the Joe Rocket jacket with the shell zipped out and my reflective vest and was wearing my bright yellow/blue/green tie-dyed t-shirt). > The > accessories seemed to be selling much cheaper than at the stores- I > guess they are not the same quality. > Some of the prices looked high but my mods were fairly minor so I'm not a good judge. I was interested in the LED display, the handlebar risers and curved license plate holders for my project. The prices seemed reasonable and it was good to be able to actually see them. > Before leaving I took a ride from McArthur blvd to Falls road to River > road. Great ride and saw many bikers. Also saw a lot of bikes in Old > Town Alexandria yesterday. Am looking forward to the bike show this week > and one of these days it would be nice to put some more faces to the > names on this list. All the best for '04 everyone. > I'm going to try and be at the DC show Saturday. Maybe there should be a lunch get together. Any takers? Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 5 10:59:26 2004 Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 10:59:19 -0500 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Bike Show this weekend X-AOL-IP: 12.36.128.140 Well, since I live about 3 blocks from the new Convention Center, I plan on attending the show this weekend. Probably go on Saturday but, might swing by Sunday also. :-) One of the many Carl's on the list suggested a lunch time gathering. I think I can manage that. I'll probably be wearing my red R6 textile jacket and maybe even my DC Cycles t-shirt. Cowboy hat optional. :-) BTW, I still have an extra advance ticket if anyone wants it. $12 is the going price and you don't have to stand in line. Scooter From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 5 11:12:47 2004 Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 11:12:48 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Bike Show this weekend At 10:59 AM 1/5/2004, ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: >Well, since I live about 3 blocks from the new Convention Center, I plan >on attending the show this weekend. Probably go on Saturday but, might >swing by Sunday also. :-) One of the many Carl's on the list suggested a >lunch time gathering. I think I can manage that. I'll probably be >wearing my red R6 textile jacket and maybe even my DC Cycles >t-shirt. Cowboy hat optional. :-) I'll be there Saturday as well. For the car show, Hooters made a convenient meeting place. I will probably do that again around 11:30am Saturday. DC-Cycles shirt on as usual. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 5 11:12:59 2004 From: "Sean Steele" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 11:12:34 -0500 Subject: Dropped bike this morning (long) X-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information So I got up this morning at o' dark thirty to ride over and get in line at the DC (dis)Inspection Station... waited in line for an hour, breathed copious fumes, passed the inspection in about 30 sec. (brake? horn? push down on the forks?), got my sticker, then tail between legs, had to pushstart the bike (dead battery or bad alternator, I'm not sure which), and finally got back underway at about 9am. But, by now, it's raining. Pretty hard. And the streets haven't seen rain in a bit, so everything's starting to look and feel slick. Eventually I make my way over to the right hand turn onto Washington Circle -- coming up Pennsylvania Ave. from the Eye/I St. intersection. I see a taxi in the far left lane as I'm making my turn into the circle. He comes across 3 lanes, zooms right in from my left in front of me -- no signal -- and I break not to hit him as he's making a hard right turn. My front wheel leans and then skids on the slick road, and whoosh... the bike goes right out from under me. I go down in the street on my left side. I get up right away, no scratches (thank you God-slash-Firstgear pants), and my bike is now laying in the center lane of Washington Circle. The taxi is long gone. Some guy runs over and we stand the bike up and push it up on the sidewalk. There's a strong smell of gas and I'm saying just about every four-letter word I know. Damage: broken left footpeg, smashed left mirror, scratch on exhaust pipe. It turns out your rear footpeg makes for a decent replacement for a broken front footpeg, and emergency tools are a good thing to have in case of... emergencies. Lessons learned: (A #1 Biggest) If you've never ridden in rain and on slick roads -- or in new environmental conditions (i.e., high wind, snow/sleet) be incredibly careful, increase your following distances, and don't turn sharply if you can help it. 2. Assume the car/taxi/bus/truck will cut you off, or stop directly in front of you, or something else equally stupid and dangerous that will cause you to eat up your margin for error. 3. Assume braking your front brake hard will cause the wheel to skid, especially if you're in even the mildest turn. 4. When in doubt, take the easiest route home. Avoid tricky intersections and multiple-street intersections wherever possible. Don't try to teach yourself anything new when the environmental conditions decrease your margin for error. 5. Wear all your gear. Every time. No excuses. I was gearing all my gear, thankfully. And #4 is esp. important: I was thinking on my way up to the Circle, "Huh. I've never ridden through this Circle before... def. not at rush hour, and not in the rain, and I'm not 100% sure which lane I need to be in... well, this is as good a time as any to learn!" Turns out you shouldn't try to learn when you're trying to keep it upright. As a newbie, I will try not to push myself if and when I don't have to. -Sean '93 (even more beat up) Seca II From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 5 11:16:54 2004 Subject: RE: Bike Show this weekend Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 11:18:01 -0500 From: "Julian Halton" To: , Guys... I want to go early as I have to bartend Saturday night but I would be definitely amenable to dropping into Hooter's to say hello. -----Original Message----- From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX [mailto:ScooterFZR@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 10:59 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Bike Show this weekend Well, since I live about 3 blocks from the new Convention Center, I plan on attending the show this weekend. Probably go on Saturday but, might swing by Sunday also. :-) One of the many Carl's on the list suggested a lunch time gathering. I think I can manage that. I'll probably be wearing my red R6 textile jacket and maybe even my DC Cycles t-shirt. Cowboy hat optional. :-) BTW, I still have an extra advance ticket if anyone wants it. $12 is the going price and you don't have to stand in line. Scooter From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 5 11:19:35 2004 From: Sunil Doshi Subject: Re: Dropped bike this morning (long) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 11:19:26 -0500 To: DC Cycles Sean, Reminds me of my encounter with a patch of ice a few weeks ago. I'm also a newbie, and that spill definitely taught me a thing or two. I'm guessing that the gas smell was nothing to worry about. I also smelled some gas when I fell. The carbs also got flooded, and I didn't understand that this was the reason the bike didn't start right away. Scared the shit out of me. Glad you're alright. Sunil On Jan 5, 2004, at 11:12 AM, Sean Steele wrote: > So I got up this morning at o' dark thirty to ride over and get in > line at the DC (dis)Inspection Station... waited in line for an hour, > breathed copious fumes, passed the inspection in about 30 sec. (brake? > horn? push down on the forks?), got my sticker, then tail between > legs, had to pushstart the bike (dead battery or bad alternator, I'm > not sure which), and finally got back underway at about 9am. > > But, by now, it's raining. Pretty hard. And the streets haven't seen > rain in a bit, so everything's starting to look and feel slick. > > Eventually I make my way over to the right hand turn onto Washington > Circle -- coming up Pennsylvania Ave. from the Eye/I St. intersection. > I see a taxi in the far left lane as I'm making my turn into the > circle. He comes across 3 lanes, zooms right in from my left in front > of me -- no signal -- and I break not to hit him as he's making a hard > right turn. My front wheel leans and then skids on the slick road, and > whoosh... the bike goes right out from under me. I go down in the > street on my left side. > > I get up right away, no scratches (thank you God-slash-Firstgear > pants), and my bike is now laying in the center lane of Washington > Circle. The taxi is long gone. Some guy runs over and we stand the > bike up and push it up on the sidewalk. There's a strong smell of gas > and I'm saying just about every four-letter word I know. > > Damage: broken left footpeg, smashed left mirror, scratch on exhaust > pipe. It turns out your rear footpeg makes for a decent replacement > for a broken front footpeg, and emergency tools are a good thing to > have in case of... emergencies. > > Lessons learned: > > (A #1 Biggest) If you've never ridden in rain and on slick roads -- or > in new environmental conditions (i.e., high wind, snow/sleet) be > incredibly careful, increase your following distances, and don't turn > sharply if you can help it. > > 2. Assume the car/taxi/bus/truck will cut you off, or stop directly in > front of you, or something else equally stupid and dangerous that will > cause you to eat up your margin for error. > > 3. Assume braking your front brake hard will cause the wheel to skid, > especially if you're in even the mildest turn. > > 4. When in doubt, take the easiest route home. Avoid tricky > intersections and multiple-street intersections wherever possible. > Don't try to teach yourself anything new when the environmental > conditions decrease your margin for error. > > 5. Wear all your gear. Every time. No excuses. > > I was gearing all my gear, thankfully. And #4 is esp. important: I was > thinking on my way up to the Circle, "Huh. I've never ridden through > this Circle before... def. not at rush hour, and not in the rain, and > I'm not 100% sure which lane I need to be in... well, this is as good > a time as any to learn!" > > Turns out you shouldn't try to learn when you're trying to keep it > upright. As a newbie, I will try not to push myself if and when I > don't have to. > > -Sean > '93 (even more beat up) Seca II > > sunil http://widepipe.org/ride/ '03 Honda Shadow ACE 750 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 5 11:46:26 2004 From: "Sean Steele" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 11:46:04 -0500 Subject: Thanks and Texas Hold 'Em X-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information Thanks everyone for your kind words and well wishes. Let's hope my first drop was my last and only drop! **** On a happier note, I'm hosting a Texas Hold 'Em Poker Tourney on Jan 24th here in DC, from 4:30pm-?. It should be a lot of fun, and a good chance to meet some fellow DC-Cycles listers. It's going to be a relaxed group of guys, mostly 25-35 year old professionals. The buy-in is modest and we're keeping the number of players rather low (~20). Please email me off-list if you're interested in more details. Thanks, -Sean From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 5 12:06:52 2004 Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 12:06:47 -0500 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: Dropped bike this morning (long) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX ...turn onto Washington >Circle -- coming up Pennsylvania Ave. from the Eye/I St. >intersection. I see a taxi in the far left lane as I'm >making my turn into the circle. >He comes across 3 lanes, zooms right in from my left in >front of me -- no signal -- and I break not to hit him as >he's making a hard right turn. [Dave] Of COURSE he is. Cab drivers. We ought to be able to use the "Bush doctrine of preemption" against taxis using moto launched hellfire missiles. I haven't ridden in that many cabs, some were ok, some were harrowing. Daily I encounter interference with them in Alexandria. Most days, I just outpace them, but sometimes traffic won't let me pass, and that's usually the time that they pull the "I'm not sure if this is the turn... woops I just passed it BUT I'M GOING TO PANIC STOP AND EXECUTE A 120 DEGREE TURN ANYWAY TRAFFIC BEHIND ME BE DAMNED!" move. > My front wheel leans and then skids on the slick road, and >whoosh... the bike goes right out from under me. I go down >in the street on my left side. > >I get up right away, no scratches (thank you God-slash- >Firstgear pants), and my bike is now laying in the center >lane of Washington Circle. The taxi is long gone. Some guy >runs over and we stand the bike up and push it up on the >sidewalk. There's a strong smell of gas and I'm saying just >about every four-letter word I know. > >Damage: broken left footpeg, smashed left mirror, scratch on >exhaust pipe. It turns out your rear footpeg makes for a >decent replacement for a broken front footpeg, and emergency >tools are a good thing to have in case of... emergencies. > >Lessons learned: ... [Dave] Wear your gear is number 1. Without your gear, you are definitely the worse for wear in this incident. Kudos to you for having the sense to be prepared. Aspects of your tale are both cool, and sucky... It sucks that you had the wipeout, but it's cool that you're ok. Don't be so hard on yourself that your confidence suffers. All in all, you did live to write about it. Next time, live to write about the really cool panic stop you had to do to keep from hitting the smouldering ruins of the cab that just cut you off and you vaporized with your pod mounted hellfires.... Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 5 12:14:25 2004 Subject: Retread of first bike question Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 12:14:16 -0500 From: "Verde, Robert" To: Although I've saved most of the mail from the last round of Q&A, I'd be interested in the list comments; I'm looking to buy a bike for a friend. I will admit I'm biased, as I ride the greatest bike made, the Honda Interceptor, and I think everyone should own one, but... perhaps not for a first bike. I'm also biased towards a sport bike is a great first bike, as dependable (read: accurate) handling is key to making the riding experience attractive. Criteria: 1. Little or no bodywork, for that inevitable dropping incident. 2. Cheap (-ish) for the above reason, and because I'm not made of money. 3. New (-ish), because I think new tech makes for a more forgiving ride, all things considered. Good dependable brakes are a must. 4. Sport bike, but not as cutting edge as a R6. Rider is not inseam-challenged, but probably not a Kaw KLR650. 5. 400-600 cc range, or thereabouts. The Ninja 250 is pretty small, and I'm not specifically looking for the 600cc spec-racer class bikes. I've been leaning towards the Suzuki SV650, but prices, even on used bikes, approach those for used VFRs. CAD Cycles has a salvage titled one (?!!) for 4099, which isn't too far from new pricing. There are a few on E-Bay, but I'd prefer to buy locally (local to include Delaware/PA/WV/MD). Also been looking at the Honda Reflex maxi-scooter, but I'm not sold on the concept, even if it's great for commuting. Feedback? Can be offline, as this is certainly a retread thread. Robert From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 5 12:21:23 2004 From: "LindaT." To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: RE: Dropped bike this morning (long) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 12:20:18 -0500 I broke the same footpeg the first time I dropped my Seca (10 minutes into my first ride). A replacement is +$50. I did the same substitution that you did as well. I had a little trouble getting the cotter pin out. Great minds think alike ;-) LindaT. http://www.customtankbags.com Now - TankBags for 1800 Wings Springfield, VA (suburb of our nation's capital) AMA IBA HSTA BMWBMW 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy 95 F3 Purple Haze 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing Sean Steele said: Damage: broken left footpeg, smashed left mirror, scratch on exhaust pipe. It turns out your rear footpeg makes for a decent replacement for a broken front footpeg, and emergency tools are a good thing to have in case of... emergencies. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 5 12:28:07 2004 Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 12:27:48 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Free monitors *NM* We have 8 14" VGA monitors headed to the PWC dump this weekend along with a few Performa Macs (operational). If anyone wants them (pick up only), they can contact me offlist below. _________________________________________ Michael Troutman Director of Network Engineering Wheat International Communications Corporation 1890 Preston White Drive, Suite 300 Reston, Virginia 20191 Office - 703.262.9172 Cell - 571.332.4396 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 5 12:33:48 2004 Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 09:33:42 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Retread of first bike question To: "Verde, Robert" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Although you say you've already ruled out the Ninja 250; I think it's a pretty decent bike. MFI has a leftover green '03 on the showroom floor advertised at $2799 (OTD for VA residents at $3111.) Leon Begeman Ninja 250 Ninja 250 ZX6 - if I ever get around to getting it running again. --- "Verde, Robert" wrote: > Although I've saved most of the mail from the last > round of Q&A, I'd be interested in the list > comments; > > I'm looking to buy a bike for a friend. I will > admit I'm biased, as I ride the greatest bike made, > the Honda Interceptor, and I think everyone should > own one, but... perhaps not for a first bike. I'm > also biased towards a sport bike is a great first > bike, as dependable (read: accurate) handling is key > to making the riding experience attractive. > > Criteria: > > 1. Little or no bodywork, for that inevitable > dropping incident. > 2. Cheap (-ish) for the above reason, and because > I'm not made of money. > 3. New (-ish), because I think new tech makes for a > more forgiving ride, all things considered. Good > dependable brakes are a must. > 4. Sport bike, but not as cutting edge as a R6. > Rider is not inseam-challenged, but probably not a > Kaw KLR650. > 5. 400-600 cc range, or thereabouts. The Ninja 250 > is pretty small, and I'm not specifically looking > for the 600cc spec-racer class bikes. > > I've been leaning towards the Suzuki SV650, but > prices, even on used bikes, approach those for used > VFRs. CAD Cycles has a salvage titled one (?!!) for > 4099, which isn't too far from new pricing. There > are a few on E-Bay, but I'd prefer to buy locally > (local to include Delaware/PA/WV/MD). > > Also been looking at the Honda Reflex maxi-scooter, > but I'm not sold on the concept, even if it's great > for commuting. > > Feedback? Can be offline, as this is certainly a > retread thread. > > Robert > > > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Find out what made the Top Yahoo! Searches of 2003 http://search.yahoo.com/top2003 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 5 12:55:59 2004 Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 12:55:37 -0500 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: mike@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike Show this weekend X-AOL-IP: 12.36.128.140 In a message dated 1/5/2004 11:12:48 AM Eastern Standard Time, mike@XXXXXX writes: > > > At 10:59 AM 1/5/2004, ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > >Well, since I live about 3 blocks from the new Convention Center, I plan > >on attending the show this weekend. Probably go on Saturday but, might > >swing by Sunday also. :-) One of the many Carl's on the list suggested a > >lunch time gathering. I think I can manage that. I'll probably be > >wearing my red R6 textile jacket and maybe even my DC Cycles > >t-shirt. Cowboy hat optional. :-) > > I'll be there Saturday as well. For the car show, Hooters made a > convenient meeting place. I will probably do that again > around 11:30am > Saturday. DC-Cycles shirt on as usual. > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman Sounds like the beginnings of a plan. I'll keep an eye out for you. Scooter From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 5 13:06:47 2004 Subject: Re: Bike Show this weekend From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 05 Jan 2004 13:03:13 -0500 On Mon, 2004-01-05 at 12:55, ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 1/5/2004 11:12:48 AM Eastern Standard Time, mike@XXXXXX writes: > > Sounds like the beginnings of a plan. I'll keep an eye out for you. > > Scooter > How about a time and keyword? Say 11:30am and the table is for dc-cycles. I know I don't know many folks by face. Maybe we can wear list identifiable tokens. Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 5 13:12:54 2004 Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 13:12:42 -0500 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: cschelin@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike Show this weekend X-AOL-IP: 12.36.128.140 OK, if you suspect that the person belongs to the list, you say "The cow jumped over the moon." If you receive a counter response of "The moon is made of green cheese", then you know that person is a DC Cycles operative. LOL Seriously though, time and table name are OK with me. As I said, I'll probably be wearing my red R6 jacket, DC Cycles t-shirt and cowboy hat. Scooter In a message dated 1/5/2004 1:03:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, cschelin@XXXXXX writes: > > > On Mon, 2004-01-05 at 12:55, ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > > In a message dated 1/5/2004 11:12:48 AM Eastern Standard Time, mike@XXXXXX writes: > > > > > Sounds like the beginnings of a plan. I'll keep an eye out for you. > > > > Scooter > > > > How about a time and keyword? Say 11:30am and the table is for > dc-cycles. I know I don't know many folks by face. Maybe we > can wear > list identifiable tokens. > > Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 5 13:16:55 2004 Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 10:16:42 -0800 (PST) From: Adam Reinhardt Subject: Re: Retread of first bike question To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I think the Kawasaki EX500/Ninja 500 or Suzuki GS500E/F are the bikes that best meet your criteria here. Adam > I'm looking to buy a bike for a friend. I will > admit I'm biased, as I ride the greatest bike made, > the Honda Interceptor, and I think everyone should > own one, but... perhaps not for a first bike. I'm > also biased towards a sport bike is a great first > bike, as dependable (read: accurate) handling is key > to making the riding experience attractive. > > Criteria: > > 1. Little or no bodywork, for that inevitable > dropping incident. > 2. Cheap (-ish) for the above reason, and because > I'm not made of money. > 3. New (-ish), because I think new tech makes for a > more forgiving ride, all things considered. Good > dependable brakes are a must. > 4. Sport bike, but not as cutting edge as a R6. > Rider is not inseam-challenged, but probably not a > Kaw KLR650. > 5. 400-600 cc range, or thereabouts. The Ninja 250 > is pretty small, and I'm not specifically looking > for the 600cc spec-racer class bikes. > > I've been leaning towards the Suzuki SV650, but > prices, even on used bikes, approach those for used > VFRs. CAD Cycles has a salvage titled one (?!!) for > 4099, which isn't too far from new pricing. There > are a few on E-Bay, but I'd prefer to buy locally > (local to include Delaware/PA/WV/MD). > > Also been looking at the Honda Reflex maxi-scooter, > but I'm not sold on the concept, even if it's great > for commuting. > > Feedback? Can be offline, as this is certainly a > retread thread. > > Robert > > > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Find out what made the Top Yahoo! Searches of 2003 http://search.yahoo.com/top2003 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 5 13:31:01 2004 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Julian Halton" , , "dc-cycles list" Subject: Re: Bike Show this weekend Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 13:29:13 -0500 If lunch is at Hooter's I'll have to pass. I'll prolly be attending the show with the wife and I'm sure she would like a different lunch place. The show itself will be a tough enough sell, without Hooter's on top of that. :) I'll be there on Saturday, unless the weather's nice. Looks like more "seasonable" temperatures for the next week or so. Paul in DC, who didn't have time to ride the motos this weekend--dammit--but did ride the pedal bike, in shorts, in January. :) 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - www.wilsonline.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Julian Halton" > > Guys... > > I want to go early as I have to bartend Saturday night but I would be > definitely amenable to dropping into Hooter's to say hello. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 5 13:31:10 2004 Subject: Re: Bike Show this weekend From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 05 Jan 2004 13:27:37 -0500 On Mon, 2004-01-05 at 13:12, ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > OK, if you suspect that the person belongs to the list, you say "The cow jumped over the moon." If you receive a counter response of "The moon is made of green cheese", then you know that person is a DC Cycles operative. LOL > If you're a fan of Michael Nesmith: "The Wind Is In The Buffalo" > Seriously though, time and table name are OK with me. As I said, I'll probably be wearing my red R6 jacket, DC Cycles t-shirt and cowboy hat. > Cool. Just trying to keep it from becoming a "Where's Scooter" lunch hour :-) > Scooter > Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 5 13:38:35 2004 Subject: Re: Bike Show this weekend From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 05 Jan 2004 13:35:01 -0500 On Mon, 2004-01-05 at 13:29, Paul Wilson wrote: > If lunch is at Hooter's I'll have to pass. I'll prolly be attending the > show with the wife and I'm sure she would like a different lunch place. The > show itself will be a tough enough sell, without Hooter's on top of that. > :) I'll be there on Saturday, unless the weather's nice. Looks like more > "seasonable" temperatures for the next week or so. > Yea good thought. Rita has suggested we go to Hooters a couple of times. I've never been there myself. As far as meeting places, I'm pretty easy. Is there another, more family friendly place we could meet? (smoke free preferably.) Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 5 13:38:40 2004 Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 13:38:29 -0500 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: cschelin@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike Show this weekend X-AOL-IP: 12.36.128.140 In a message dated 1/5/2004 1:27:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, cschelin@XXXXXX writes: > > > On Mon, 2004-01-05 at 13:12, ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > > OK, if you suspect that the person belongs to the list, you say "The cow jumped over the moon." If you receive a counter response of "The moon is made of green cheese", then you know that person is a DC Cycles operative. LOL > > > > If you're a fan of Michael Nesmith: "The Wind Is In The Buffalo" OK, that's a better countersign. :-) > > > Seriously though, time and table name are OK with me. As I said, I'll probably be wearing my red R6 jacket, DC Cycles t-shirt and cowboy hat. > > > > Cool. Just trying to keep it from becoming a "Where's > Scooter" lunch > hour :-) > > > Scooter > > > > Carl If that where the case, I'd be wearing a red and white striped shirt and knit cap. hehe Scooter From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 5 13:40:45 2004 Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 10:40:38 -0800 (PST) From: Adam Reinhardt Subject: RE: Retread of first bike question To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Check out: htttp://www.gstwin.com This forum alone was one of the main reasons I bought a GS500 as a project track bike instead of the more powerful (but less agile) Ninja 500. Adam --- "Verde, Robert" wrote: > Thanks for the comments! I hadn't considered the > GS500, even though my first bike was the GS450S.... > D'oh! Long-term memory loss, I guess. > > Robert > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Adam Reinhardt [mailto:ajreinhardt@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 1:17 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Retread of first bike question > > > > I think the Kawasaki EX500/Ninja 500 or Suzuki > GS500E/F > are the bikes that best meet your criteria here. > > Adam __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Find out what made the Top Yahoo! Searches of 2003 http://search.yahoo.com/top2003 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 5 13:41:28 2004 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Happy New Year '04 Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 13:29:26 -0500 I took River Rd to the end on Sat, gets pretty nice there. Saw a lot of bicyclist on it. >From: "Julian Halton" >To: >Subject: Happy New Year '04 >Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 09:58:35 -0500 > >Before leaving I took a ride from McArthur blvd to Falls road to River >road. Great ride and saw many bikers. _________________________________________________________________ Expand your wine savvy ^[)BM-^W and get some great new recipes M-^W at MSN Wine. http://wine.msn.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 5 13:48:51 2004 Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 13:47:38 -0500 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: cschelin@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike Show this weekend X-AOL-IP: 12.36.128.140 In a message dated 1/5/2004 1:35:01 PM Eastern Standard Time, cschelin@XXXXXX writes: > > > On Mon, 2004-01-05 at 13:29, Paul Wilson wrote: > > If lunch is at Hooter's I'll have to pass. I'll prolly be attending the > > show with the wife and I'm sure she would like a different lunch place. The > > show itself will be a tough enough sell, without Hooter's on top of that. > > :) I'll be there on Saturday, unless the weather's nice. Looks like more > > "seasonable" temperatures for the next week or so. > > > > Yea good thought. Rita has suggested we go to Hooters a couple of times. > I've never been there myself. > > As far as meeting places, I'm pretty easy. Is there > another, more family > friendly place we could meet? (smoke free preferably.) > > Carl Hooters is actually a great place to eat. I think their food is pretty good. As for the scenery, to each his/her own. ;-) Not sure what other restaurants are available in the Center as I've only been there once and they weren't all setup yet. Scooter From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 5 13:49:04 2004 Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 13:48:44 -0500 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: cschelin@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike Show this weekend X-AOL-IP: 12.36.128.140 In a message dated 1/5/2004 1:35:01 PM Eastern Standard Time, cschelin@XXXXXX writes: > > > On Mon, 2004-01-05 at 13:29, Paul Wilson wrote: > > If lunch is at Hooter's I'll have to pass. I'll prolly be attending the > > show with the wife and I'm sure she would like a different lunch place. The > > show itself will be a tough enough sell, without Hooter's on top of that. > > :) I'll be there on Saturday, unless the weather's nice. Looks like more > > "seasonable" temperatures for the next week or so. > > > > Yea good thought. Rita has suggested we go to Hooters a couple of times. > I've never been there myself. > > As far as meeting places, I'm pretty easy. Is there > another, more family > friendly place we could meet? (smoke free preferably.) > > Carl Hooters is actually a great place to eat. I think their food is pretty good. As for the scenery, to each his/her own. ;-) Not sure what other restaurants are available in the Center as I've only been there once and they weren't all setup yet. Scooter From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 5 14:01:32 2004 Subject: RE: Bike Show this weekend Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 14:02:40 -0500 From: "Julian Halton" To: "Paul Wilson" , , "dc-cycles list" I don't know the exact location of the convention center but Austin Grill on g street?? Good food, great margaritas and with all respect Hooters is family friendly...especially in DC. I always see families at least at the one in B more...however the food bites so how about Austin grill? -----Original Message----- From: Paul Wilson [mailto:pawilson@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 1:29 PM To: Julian Halton; ScooterFZR@XXXXXX; dc-cycles list Subject: Re: Bike Show this weekend If lunch is at Hooter's I'll have to pass. I'll prolly be attending the show with the wife and I'm sure she would like a different lunch place. The show itself will be a tough enough sell, without Hooter's on top of that. :) I'll be there on Saturday, unless the weather's nice. Looks like more "seasonable" temperatures for the next week or so. Paul in DC, who didn't have time to ride the motos this weekend--dammit--but did ride the pedal bike, in shorts, in January. :) 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - www.wilsonline.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Julian Halton" > > Guys... > > I want to go early as I have to bartend Saturday night but I would be > definitely amenable to dropping into Hooter's to say hello. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 5 14:43:43 2004 Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 14:43:34 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Bike Show this weekend I mentioned Hooters only because it is one block from the old and new convention centers, and they have good wings and cold beer. The new one is up 9th street just past I. $7 daily parking is 2 blocks down I, or $12 at the center. At 01:29 PM 1/5/2004, Paul Wilson wrote: >If lunch is at Hooter's I'll have to pass. I'll prolly be attending the >show with the wife and I'm sure she would like a different lunch place. The >show itself will be a tough enough sell, without Hooter's on top of that. >:) I'll be there on Saturday, unless the weather's nice. Looks like more >"seasonable" temperatures for the next week or so. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 5 14:53:26 2004 Subject: RE: Bike Show this weekend Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 14:53:18 -0500 From: "Verde, Robert" To: "Carl Schelin" , I'll second (third?) the request for an alternate meeting place, ditto for the smoke-free. Also attending with SO, and Hotter's doesn't look like an easy sell... ;-) Robert -----Original Message----- From: Carl Schelin [mailto:cschelin@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 1:35 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike Show this weekend On Mon, 2004-01-05 at 13:29, Paul Wilson wrote: > If lunch is at Hooter's I'll have to pass. I'll prolly be attending the > show with the wife and I'm sure she would like a different lunch place. The > show itself will be a tough enough sell, without Hooter's on top of that. > :) I'll be there on Saturday, unless the weather's nice. Looks like more > "seasonable" temperatures for the next week or so. > Yea good thought. Rita has suggested we go to Hooters a couple of times. I've never been there myself. As far as meeting places, I'm pretty easy. Is there another, more family friendly place we could meet? (smoke free preferably.) Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 5 15:05:55 2004 Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 12:05:41 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: Bike Show this weekend To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX who let all the whining non-smokers in? i thought this was a biker club.... --- "Verde, Robert" wrote: > I'll second (third?) the request for an alternate meeting > place, ditto for the smoke-free. Also attending with SO, > and Hotter's doesn't look like an easy sell... ;-) > > Robert > > -----Original Message----- > From: Carl Schelin [mailto:cschelin@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 1:35 PM > > As far as meeting places, I'm pretty easy. Is there > another, more family > friendly place we could meet? (smoke free preferably.) > > Carl __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Find out what made the Top Yahoo! Searches of 2003 http://search.yahoo.com/top2003 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 5 15:08:21 2004 Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 15:09:44 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: RE: Bike Show this weekend At 12:05 PM 1/5/04 -0800, Tom Gimer wrote: >who let all the whining non-smokers in? i thought this was >a biker club.... 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No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 5 15:09:09 2004 Subject: RE: Bike Show this weekend Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 15:09:01 -0500 From: "Verde, Robert" To: "Tom Gimer" , Dunno about the "smoking" requirement, but this sure feels like "flame" to me.... ;-) -----Original Message----- From: Tom Gimer [mailto:t_gimer@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 3:06 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Bike Show this weekend who let all the whining non-smokers in? i thought this was a biker club.... --- "Verde, Robert" wrote: > I'll second (third?) the request for an alternate meeting > place, ditto for the smoke-free. Also attending with SO, > and Hotter's doesn't look like an easy sell... ;-) > > Robert > > -----Original Message----- > From: Carl Schelin [mailto:cschelin@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 1:35 PM > > As far as meeting places, I'm pretty easy. Is there > another, more family > friendly place we could meet? (smoke free preferably.) > > Carl __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Find out what made the Top Yahoo! Searches of 2003 http://search.yahoo.com/top2003 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 5 15:09:13 2004 Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 15:08:55 -0500 (EST) From: "Daniel H. Brown" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Bike Show this weekend On Mon, 5 Jan 2004, Tom Gimer wrote: > > who let all the whining non-smokers in? i thought this was > a biker club.... It was a requisite for letting lawyers in. -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 5 15:18:18 2004 Subject: RE: Bike Show this weekend From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 05 Jan 2004 15:14:44 -0500 On Mon, 2004-01-05 at 15:05, Tom Gimer wrote: > who let all the whining non-smokers in? i thought this was > a biker club.... > Wait, I thought sportbikers were single clean-cut hooligans who drank imported beers and hung out at sport bars or in Georgetown and the harley guys were chain-smoking beer-drinking womanizers who hung out at bars and told their women "We're going to Hooters and you're going to enter the wet t-shirt contest *grunt*". I figured that if I was going to hang out with the sport biker crowd, which is the majority membership (from all evidence) of dc-sportbikers... I mean, dc-cycles, I should take on some of their mannerisms. Was I mistaken? Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 5 15:34:40 2004 Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 12:34:37 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: RE: Bike Show this weekend To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I'm not sure where the lunch will be, or if I will have someone to bring along, or even which bike I'll be riding, but when all this gets decided, I do plan on going to the bike show and meeting a few of you for lunch. I did memorize the challenge and will be able to recognize either of the designated responses. Leon. > Tom Gimer wrote: > > who let all the whining non-smokers in? i thought > this was > > a biker club.... > > --- Carl Schelin wrote: > > Wait, I thought sportbikers were single clean-cut > hooligans who drank > imported beers and hung out at sport bars or in > Georgetown and the > harley guys were chain-smoking beer-drinking > womanizers who hung out at > bars and told their women "We're going to Hooters > and you're going to > enter the wet t-shirt contest *grunt*". > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 5 15:40:31 2004 Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 12:40:24 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: Bike Show this weekend To: "Daniel H. Brown" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- "Daniel H. Brown" wrote: > On Mon, 5 Jan 2004, Tom Gimer wrote: > > > > who let all the whining non-smokers in? i thought this > was > > a biker club.... > > It was a requisite for letting lawyers in. surely you pressed "send" too quickly. is this all you could muster up? please give another try at making sense out of this. -- tg (admitted to dcc prior to becoming an attorney) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Find out what made the Top Yahoo! Searches of 2003 http://search.yahoo.com/top2003 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 5 15:42:41 2004 Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 15:40:06 -0500 From: Laura Roach To: Carl Schelin CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike Show this weekend Will someone post the final plans in a new thread once they are agreed upon? We're going crazy getting ready to put our house on the market Friday, but we're probably going to the bike show this weekend and would love to catch up with everyone...Troutman, can I put you in charge of this? :) I know you'll actually follow through if you say you'll do it. ;) Laura From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 5 15:50:11 2004 Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 15:49:58 -0500 (EST) From: "Daniel H. Brown" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Bike Show this weekend On Mon, 5 Jan 2004, Tom Gimer wrote: > Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 12:40:24 -0800 (PST) > From: Tom Gimer > To: "Daniel H. Brown" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Bike Show this weekend > > --- "Daniel H. Brown" wrote: > > On Mon, 5 Jan 2004, Tom Gimer wrote: > > > > > > who let all the whining non-smokers in? i thought this > > was > > > a biker club.... > > > > It was a requisite for letting lawyers in. > > surely you pressed "send" too quickly. is this all you > could muster up? please give another try at making sense > out of this. > I'm, sorry, how 'bout... it was a requisite for allowing the whining lawyers to stay. As far as places to meet -- Last I checked there was at least one brewpub type of joint near each of the convention centers -- Capital City brewing near the old one and Chophouse and Gordon Biersch near the new place. Gordon Biersch would get my vote (if we're taking one) for the Garlic Fries alone. -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 5 16:03:18 2004 Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 15:59:16 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Bike Show this weekend At 03:40 PM 1/5/2004, Laura Roach wrote: >Troutman, can I put you in charge of this? :) I know you'll actually >follow through if you say you'll do it. ;) No. I get itchy when responsible for anything. However, here is a list of restaurants close to the convention center (located between 7th and 9th North of Mount Vernon Sq. http://www.troutman.org/Images/wccrest.jpg I haven't eaten at any of these, and Hooters isn't even on the list. Generic American food and beer garden sounds fine by me. I'll probably be riding in - are there any free bike parking areas nearby? The closest I know of is many many blocks West. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 5 16:03:34 2004 Subject: RE: Bike Show this weekend From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 05 Jan 2004 16:00:00 -0500 On Mon, 2004-01-05 at 15:49, Daniel H. Brown wrote: > As far as places to meet -- Last I checked there was at least one > brewpub type of joint near each of the convention centers -- Capital > City brewing near the old one and Chophouse and Gordon Biersch near > the new place. Gordon Biersch would get my vote (if we're taking one) > for the Garlic Fries alone. > Streets & Trips shows numerous restaurants etc within a block or two of the convention center. Of course we'd be close to Chinatown and Tony Cheng's Mongolian but Rita's tired of Tony :-) Hooters doesn't show up on S&T though :-) > > -- > Dan Brown > brown@XXXXXX > Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 5 16:07:51 2004 Subject: RE: Bike Show this weekend Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 16:09:01 -0500 From: "Julian Halton" To: "Troutman" , My thoughts .. I agreed to Hooter's and will agree to most anything. I do not smoke and have a very attractive girlfriend but the day she is uncomfortable with me going to Hooters, a strip club or anything like that is the day I show her the door. I do understand the pressures SO's can place to bear however..I find Hooter's family friendly. Nevertheless that was only one option so I suggest Austin Grill...great food cheap.. I will be there for lunch and if no one feels like showing up I will be sure to be at the Yamaha display at 2:00 PM. You can't miss me..6'1 shaven head goatee in a red and black fieldsheer jacket with a big grin on my face. Looking forward to it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 5 16:13:26 2004 From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike Show this weekend Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 16:12:16 -0500 Other than Scooter's garage, I am not aware of any motorcycle friendly parking within 7-8 blocks of the old Convention center. I doubt it is much different for the new. Perry >From: Troutman >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Bike Show this weekend >Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 15:59:16 -0500 > >At 03:40 PM 1/5/2004, Laura Roach wrote: >>Troutman, can I put you in charge of this? :) I know you'll actually >>follow through if you say you'll do it. ;) > >No. I get itchy when responsible for anything. However, here is a list of >restaurants close to the convention center (located between 7th and 9th >North of Mount Vernon Sq. > >http://www.troutman.org/Images/wccrest.jpg > >I haven't eaten at any of these, and Hooters isn't even on the list. >Generic American food and beer garden sounds fine by me. I'll probably be >riding in - are there any free bike parking areas nearby? The closest I >know of is many many blocks West. > > > >___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > 1997 Honda VFR 750 > AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ > NMA http://www.motorists.org > > > _________________________________________________________________ Tired of slow downloads? Compare online deals from your local high-speed providers now. https://broadband.msn.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 5 16:20:12 2004 Subject: Re: Bike Show this weekend From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 05 Jan 2004 16:16:37 -0500 On Mon, 2004-01-05 at 15:59, Troutman wrote: > I'll > probably be riding in - are there any free bike parking areas nearby? The > closest I know of is many many blocks West. > I'll be riding as well and will likely park at my regular work parking space since I enjoy walking and don't enjoy packs; cars or bikes. I expect there'll be lots of bikes and cars close by anyway. Perhaps parking West (or East) of the convention center would be a good idea anyway :-) Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 5 16:23:40 2004 Reply-To: "Jon Strang" From: "Jon Strang" To: Subject: Re: Retread of first bike question Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 16:23:31 -0500 NEWS FLASH! (just kidding Leon, but somehow I knew you'd pick that up). --jon p.s. Thanks again for the circles! ----- "Leon Begeman" wrote: > Although you say you've already ruled out the Ninja > 250; I think it's a pretty decent bike. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 5 16:24:30 2004 Subject: RE: Bike Show this weekend Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 16:25:41 -0500 From: "Julian Halton" To: "Julian Halton" , "Troutman" , PS.. I do not mean to come across as rude or impetuous. I believe I am neither. I just realize that trying to please everyone will be difficult I will aim to have lunch at 11:30AM and I think the grill provides ample space, a wide menu range and great margaritas. -----Original Message----- From: Julian Halton [mailto:julian@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 4:09 PM To: Troutman; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Bike Show this weekend My thoughts .. I agreed to Hooter's and will agree to most anything. I do not smoke and have a very attractive girlfriend but the day she is uncomfortable with me going to Hooters, a strip club or anything like that is the day I show her the door. I do understand the pressures SO's can place to bear however..I find Hooter's family friendly. Nevertheless that was only one option so I suggest Austin Grill...great food cheap.. I will be there for lunch and if no one feels like showing up I will be sure to be at the Yamaha display at 2:00 PM. You can't miss me..6'1 shaven head goatee in a red and black fieldsheer jacket with a big grin on my face. Looking forward to it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 5 16:29:27 2004 Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 16:28:56 -0500 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: Robert.Verde@XXXXXX, cschelin@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike Show this weekend X-AOL-IP: 12.36.128.140 Here's a list of close by restaurants courtesy of the DC Convention Centers website: http://www.dcconvention.com/attendees/restaurants.asp I have no problem with meeting at any of them. Although my recommendation would be the District Chophouse. :-) Scooter In a message dated 1/5/2004 2:53:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, Robert.Verde@XXXXXX writes: > > > I'll second (third?) the request for an alternate meeting place, ditto for the smoke-free. Also attending with SO, and Hotter's doesn't look like an easy sell... ;-) > > Robert > > -----Original Message----- > From: Carl Schelin [mailto:cschelin@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 1:35 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Bike Show this weekend > > > On Mon, 2004-01-05 at 13:29, Paul Wilson wrote: > > If lunch is at Hooter's I'll have to pass. I'll prolly be attending the > > show with the wife and I'm sure she would like a different lunch place. The > > show itself will be a tough enough sell, without Hooter's on top of that. > > :) I'll be there on Saturday, unless the weather's nice. Looks like more > > "seasonable" temperatures for the next week or so. > > > > Yea good thought. Rita has suggested we go to Hooters a couple of times. > I've never been there myself. > > As far as meeting places, I'm pretty easy. Is there > another, more family > friendly place we could meet? (smoke free preferably.) > > Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 5 16:31:39 2004 Subject: RE: Bike Show this weekend From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 05 Jan 2004 16:28:05 -0500 On Mon, 2004-01-05 at 16:25, Julian Halton wrote: > PS.. I do not mean to come across as rude or impetuous. I believe I am > neither. I just realize that trying to please everyone will be difficult > I will aim to have lunch at 11:30AM and I think the grill provides ample > space, a wide menu range and great margaritas. Bah. Maybe that's what's needed. A little rudeness from time to time. I don't know from Margaritas, but I don't have a problem settling for Austin Grill. As long as they have food, I'll be happy. Get a bigger table. We'll be there. Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 5 16:37:31 2004 Reply-To: "S. Russell" From: "S. Russell" To: , "Troutman" Subject: Re: Bike Show this weekend Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 16:36:01 -0500 where do you get these DC Cycles shirts? I talked about it at one point and no one said anything. I was thinking if people wanted some to get them made up with a couple of the prints already made up on the web page. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "Troutman" To: Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 11:12 AM Subject: Re: Bike Show this weekend > At 10:59 AM 1/5/2004, ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > >Well, since I live about 3 blocks from the new Convention Center, I plan > >on attending the show this weekend. Probably go on Saturday but, might > >swing by Sunday also. :-) One of the many Carl's on the list suggested a > >lunch time gathering. I think I can manage that. I'll probably be > >wearing my red R6 textile jacket and maybe even my DC Cycles > >t-shirt. Cowboy hat optional. :-) > > I'll be there Saturday as well. For the car show, Hooters made a > convenient meeting place. I will probably do that again around 11:30am > Saturday. DC-Cycles shirt on as usual. > > > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > 1997 Honda VFR 750 > AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ > NMA http://www.motorists.org > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 5 16:45:20 2004 Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 16:44:57 -0500 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: perrycoleman@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike Show this weekend X-AOL-IP: 12.36.128.140 Troutman opened the Barn Door a crack and Perry swung it wide open. :-) There are two (2) empty designated parking spaces in my buildings garage that I'm sure someone can "borrow" for the day. There are probably a couple nooks and crannys that a bike can squeeze into also. However, if I'm not there to let you in, you're outta luck. :-) Getting out is easy. So, unless someone asks to park there, we set up a time to meet and the asking party shows up on time, and maybe buys me a drink, I don't think it will work too well. :-) I might even be kind and take my cell phone along if someone asks and they can call me to let them in. But, that might cost 2 drinks. hehe Scooter In a message dated 1/5/2004 4:12:16 PM Eastern Standard Time, perrycoleman@XXXXXX writes: > > > Other than Scooter's garage, I am not aware of any motorcycle friendly > parking within 7-8 blocks of the old Convention center. I doubt it is much > different for the new. > > Perry > > >From: Troutman > >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >Subject: Re: Bike Show this weekend > >Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 15:59:16 -0500 > > > >At 03:40 PM 1/5/2004, Laura Roach wrote: > >>Troutman, can I put you in charge of this? :) I know you'll actually > >>follow through if you say you'll do it. ;) > > > >No. I get itchy when responsible for anything. However, here is a list of > >restaurants close to the convention center (located between 7th and 9th > >North of Mount Vernon Sq. > > > >http://www.troutman.org/Images/wccrest.jpg > > > >I haven't eaten at any of these, and Hooters isn't even on the list. > >Generic American food and beer garden sounds fine by me. I'll probably be > >riding in - are there any free bike parking areas nearby? The closest I > >know of is many many blocks West. > > > > > > > >___________________________________________ > > Mike Troutman From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 5 16:48:47 2004 Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 16:48:41 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Austin Grill or Hooters at 11:30am Saturday Pick your restaurant, two lines forming to the left. I'll be at Hooters on 9th and I - it is closer to the parking, Metro and WCC. I am 6'1", shaved head and will probably be in a First Gear jacket at the bar. I trust the Roach family will come find me. The other group will meet at the Austin Grille at the same time .... 750 E Street. The two groups can meet at the WCC "Foggy Bottom Grille" snack stand in Exhibit Hall A at 12:45pm or again at the Yamaha display at 2pm. If I can find my black dc-cycles shirt I will have it on. It is supposed to be butt cold Friday though, so the T-shirt will probably have a sweatshirt over it. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 5 17:01:00 2004 Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 17:00:23 -0500 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: psycleman@XXXXXX ("S. Russell"), dc-cycles@XXXXXX, mike@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike Show this weekend X-AOL-IP: 12.36.128.140 About 3, maybe 4, years ago we had a design contest on the website. That's probably what you're seeing. We chose a winner and had some t-shirts made up. It wasn't very many and we've never had it done since but, they turned out pretty nice. I forget who actually had them made but, it would be nice to get some more made up. There's a guy on one of my other lists who's been designing us new shirts every year since 1998. He does great work and we usually order long and short sleeve shirts. I can ask him if he could come up with a design for us and how much it would be. He would need a minimum order though. Scooter In a message dated 1/5/2004 4:36:01 PM Eastern Standard Time, psycleman@XXXXXX writes: > > > where do you get these DC Cycles shirts? I talked about it at one point and > no one said anything. > > I was thinking if people wanted some to get them made up with a couple of > the prints already made up on the web page. > > Scott From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 5 17:08:33 2004 Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 17:08:21 -0500 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: mike@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Austin Grill or Hooters at 11:30am Saturday X-AOL-IP: 65.86.98.162 Hooters - Saturday - 11:30am, I'll be there. :-) Closer and I love their fish sandwiches. ;-) Once more, red R6 jacket, DC Cycles t-shirt (might have an Under Armor shirt on underneath though if it's "butt cold" =8-0), glases and a cowboy hat. See ya'll there. Scooter In a message dated 1/5/2004 4:48:41 PM Eastern Standard Time, mike@XXXXXX writes: > > > Pick your restaurant, two lines forming to the left. I'll be at Hooters on > 9th and I - it is closer to the parking, Metro and WCC. I am 6'1", shaved > head and will probably be in a First Gear jacket at the bar. I trust the > Roach family will come find me. The other group will meet at the Austin > Grille at the same time .... 750 E Street. > > The two groups can meet at the WCC "Foggy Bottom Grille" snack stand in > Exhibit Hall A at 12:45pm or again at the Yamaha display at 2pm. > > If I can find my black dc-cycles shirt I will have it on. It is supposed > to be butt cold Friday though, so the T-shirt will probably > have a > sweatshirt over it. > > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > 1997 Honda VFR 750 > AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ > NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 5 18:44:39 2004 Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 18:42:03 -0500 From: Laura Roach To: Troutman CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Austin Grill or Hooters at 11:30am Saturday > I trust the Roach family will come find me. Hopefully we will! House goes on the market on Friday and if our neighbors can watch Rocky while we're gone, we'll be there...something about leaving a rottweiller in the house while people are visiting and we're not home doesn't seem smart. :) LAR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 5 22:18:24 2004 From: "Rob Sharp" To: "Verde, Robert" , Subject: Re: Retread of first bike question Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 22:19:07 -0500 Honda Hawk GT. It's a great, bike. Might be hard to get one, but who knows. I just sold mine and picked up an '96 Honda Interceptor. Honda RULES! Rob On Mon, 5 Jan 2004 12:14:16 -0500, Verde, Robert wrote > Although I've saved most of the mail from the last round of Q&A, I'd > be interested in the list comments; > > I'm looking to buy a bike for a friend. I will admit I'm biased, as > I ride the greatest bike made, the Honda Interceptor, and I think > everyone should own one, but... perhaps not for a first bike. I'm > also biased towards a sport bike is a great first bike, as > dependable (read: accurate) handling is key to making the riding > experience attractive. > > Criteria: > > 1. Little or no bodywork, for that inevitable dropping incident. > > 2. Cheap (-ish) for the above reason, and because I'm not made of money. > > 3. New (-ish), because I think new tech makes for a more forgiving > ride, all things considered. Good dependable brakes are a must. > 4. Sport bike, but not as cutting edge as a R6. Rider is not inseam- > challenged, but probably not a Kaw KLR650. > 5. 400-600 cc range, or thereabouts. The Ninja 250 is pretty small, > and I'm not specifically looking for the 600cc spec-racer class > bikes. > > I've been leaning towards the Suzuki SV650, but prices, even on used > bikes, approach those for used VFRs. CAD Cycles has a salvage > titled one (?!!) for 4099, which isn't too far from new pricing. > There are a few on E-Bay, but I'd prefer to buy locally (local to > include Delaware/PA/WV/MD). > > Also been looking at the Honda Reflex maxi-scooter, but I'm not sold > on the concept, even if it's great for commuting. > > Feedback? Can be offline, as this is certainly a retread thread. > > Robert -- Rob Sharp 1996 Honda VFR 750 2003 Chevy S10 Xtreme SSCP/CCSP/CCNA 2.0/CCSA Network Security Engineer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 6 07:35:03 2004 Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 07:31:26 -0500 From: Tom To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Austin Grill or Hooters at 11:30am Saturday Troutman wrote: > Pick your restaurant, two lines forming to the left. I'll be at > Hooters on 9th and I - it is closer to the parking, Metro and WCC. I > am 6'1", shaved head and will probably be in a First Gear jacket at > the bar. I trust the Roach family will come find me. The other group > will meet at the Austin Grille at the same time .... 750 E Street. > > The two groups can meet at the WCC "Foggy Bottom Grille" snack stand > in Exhibit Hall A at 12:45pm or again at the Yamaha display at 2pm. > > If I can find my black dc-cycles shirt I will have it on. It is > supposed to be butt cold Friday though, so the T-shirt will probably > have a sweatshirt over it. Two meeting places seems like a good idea, as I'm not sure when I'll get there. Sure would like to meet some listers tho. If I ride (might bring the boys), I'll be in a red JoeRocket Metor jacket, stand 5'8", 165lbs, brown hair.... umm, I guess I won't stand out much. I'll look for other listers :) Hope to see alot of you there, Tom de '98 VTR > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > 1997 Honda VFR 750 > AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ > NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 6 09:42:50 2004 Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 09:42:39 -0500 To: From: Troutman Subject: Re: Bike Show this weekend In December of '98 we had them made after a logo contest. http://www.dccycles.com/arch/98/12/dec00421 I have no interest in buying another black t-shirt, but if we run another logo contest I'll set up a cafe press shop for dc-cycles and you can order what you like. At 04:38 PM 1/5/2004, S. Russell wrote: >where do you get these DC Cycles shirts? I talked about it at one point and >no one said anything. > >I was thinking if people wanted some to get them made up with a couple of >the prints already made up on the web page. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 6 09:52:18 2004 Reply-To: "S. Russell" From: "S. Russell" To: , "Troutman" Subject: Re: Bike Show this weekend Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 09:51:14 -0500 If people want, I will get shirts priced again. I like logo 8 on front and logo 11 on the back. http://www.dc-cycles.org/logo.html I have a great printer in the area, does great work. Your input is welcome, white shirt or black, get both long and short sleeves. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "Troutman" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 9:42 AM Subject: Re: Bike Show this weekend > In December of '98 we had them made after a logo contest. > > http://www.dccycles.com/arch/98/12/dec00421 > > I have no interest in buying another black t-shirt, but if we run another > logo contest I'll set up a cafe press shop for dc-cycles and you can order > what you like. > > At 04:38 PM 1/5/2004, S. Russell wrote: > >where do you get these DC Cycles shirts? I talked about it at one point and > >no one said anything. > > > >I was thinking if people wanted some to get them made up with a couple of > >the prints already made up on the web page. > > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > 1997 Honda VFR 750 > AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ > NMA http://www.motorists.org > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 6 10:08:58 2004 Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 10:08:51 -0500 To: From: Troutman Subject: DCC T-Shirt shop (was Re: Bike Show) Here is a DC Cycles cafe press shop if only a few people are interested. They don't do black Ts, but they have some cool new products (license plate frames, stickers, etc) http://www.cafeshops.com/dccycles At 09:51 AM 1/6/2004, S. Russell wrote: >If people want, I will get shirts priced again. I like logo 8 on front and >logo 11 on the back. > >http://www.dc-cycles.org/logo.html ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 6 10:55:16 2004 Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 10:55:32 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: DC-Cycles logos (was: Re: Bike Show this weekend) At 09:51 AM 1/6/04 -0500, S. Russell wrote: >If people want, I will get shirts priced again. I like logo 8 on front and >logo 11 on the back. > >http://www.dc-cycles.org/logo.html If Logo #10 was a bit more detailed it might solve the "map pocket" issue... :^) There are some nice designs there. Very creative. -- Mike B. **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 6 11:32:23 2004 From: "Rob Sharp" To: Mike Bartman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: DC-Cycles logos (was: Re: Bike Show this weekend) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 11:33:08 -0500 Most of them are way to colorful for a t-shirt and any screen printing. Rob On Tue, 06 Jan 2004 10:55:32 -0500, Mike Bartman wrote > At 09:51 AM 1/6/04 -0500, S. Russell wrote: > >If people want, I will get shirts priced again. I like logo 8 on front and > >logo 11 on the back. > > > >http://www.dc-cycles.org/logo.html > > If Logo #10 was a bit more detailed it might solve the "map pocket" > issue... :^) > > There are some nice designs there. Very creative. > > -- Mike B. > > **************************************************************************** > * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation > Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled > Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options > Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *------------------------------ > --------------------------------------------* * "We do it > all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** -- Rob Sharp 1996 Honda VFR 750 2003 Chevy S10 Xtreme SSCP/CCSP/CCNA 2.0/CCSA Network Security Engineer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 6 12:51:18 2004 Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 12:50:58 -0500 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: psycleman@XXXXXX ("S. Russell"), dc-cycles@XXXXXX, mike@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike Show this weekend X-AOL-IP: 12.36.128.140 OK. I'd be interested in either color shirt. Both long and short sleeve. Your logo choices are good. The original shirts had logo #1b on the front. I think logo 8 (front) and 1b (back) would look good also. Especially on black shirts. Keep us posted. Scooter In a message dated 1/6/2004 9:51:14 AM Eastern Standard Time, psycleman@XXXXXX writes: > > > If people want, I will get shirts priced again. I like logo 8 on front and > logo 11 on the back. > > http://www.dc-cycles.org/logo.html > > I have a great printer in the area, does great work. Your input is welcome, > white shirt or black, get both long and short sleeves. > > Scott > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Troutman" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 9:42 AM > Subject: Re: Bike Show this weekend > > > > In December of '98 we had them made after a logo contest. > > > > http://www.dccycles.com/arch/98/12/dec00421 > > > > I have no interest in buying another black t-shirt, but if we run another > > logo contest I'll set up a cafe press shop for dc-cycles and you can order > > what you like. > > > > At 04:38 PM 1/5/2004, S. Russell wrote: > > >where do you get these DC Cycles shirts? I talked about it at one point > and > > >no one said anything. > > > > > >I was thinking if people wanted some to get them made up > with a couple of > > >the prints already made up on the web page. > > > > > > ___________________________________________ > > Mike Troutman From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 6 12:59:30 2004 Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 12:59:21 -0500 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: mike@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: DCC T-Shirt shop (was Re: Bike Show) X-AOL-IP: 12.36.128.140 OK, that's pretty cool. How'd you do it? :-) Anyway, could you add the logo choices like Scott Russell suggested? Logo 8 on the front and either logo 1b or 11 on the back? That way we would have a variety to pick from. :-) I think the baseball shirt would look good with logo 8 on the front and logo 1b on the back. But, that's just my preference. :-) Scooter In a message dated 1/6/2004 10:08:51 AM Eastern Standard Time, mike@XXXXXX writes: > > > Here is a DC Cycles cafe press shop if only a few people are > interested. They don't do black Ts, but they have some cool new products > (license plate frames, stickers, etc) > > http://www.cafeshops.com/dccycles > > At 09:51 AM 1/6/2004, S. Russell wrote: > >If people want, I will get shirts priced again. I like > logo 8 on front and > >logo 11 on the back. > > > >http://www.dc-cycles.org/logo.html > > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > 1997 Honda VFR 750 > AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ > NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 6 13:08:11 2004 Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 13:07:28 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, ScooterFZR@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: DCC T-Shirt shop (was Re: Bike Show) Done. http://www.cafeshops.com/dccycles.9245866 Anyone can create a cafepress store. I already had three others (one defunct). Speaking of which, anyone want any VFR merchandise? http://www.cafeshops.com/mtvfr At 12:59 PM 1/6/2004, ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: >OK, that's pretty cool. How'd you do it? :-) Anyway, could you add the >logo choices like Scott Russell suggested? Logo 8 on the front and either >logo 1b or 11 on the back? That way we would have a variety to pick >from. :-) I think the baseball shirt would look good with logo 8 on the >front and logo 1b on the back. But, that's just my preference. :-) ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org Support Legislation requiring Voter-Verified Paper Trail for 2004 Elections http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/348035553 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 6 14:01:52 2004 Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 14:01:28 -0500 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: mike@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: DCC T-Shirt shop (was Re: Bike Show) X-AOL-IP: 12.36.128.140 Cool. But....I was thinking more along the lines of a small pocket logo on the front and then the larger one on the back. I know, I'm picky. :-) So, here's what I'm interested in: Long sleeve t-shirt with logo 8 small pocket on the front and logo 1b (black DC with the biker in the middle) on the back. Same in a t-shirt, baseball shirt and possibly sweatshirt. If you would be so kind as to add those designs, I would appreciate it. ;-) Can we customise this thing ourselves? You know, you give us the options and we mix and match? Scooter In a message dated 1/6/2004 1:07:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, mike@XXXXXX writes: > > > Done. http://www.cafeshops.com/dccycles.9245866 > > Anyone can create a cafepress store. I already had three others (one > defunct). Speaking of which, anyone want any VFR > merchandise? http://www.cafeshops.com/mtvfr > > At 12:59 PM 1/6/2004, ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > >OK, that's pretty cool. How'd you do it? :-) Anyway, could you add the > >logo choices like Scott Russell suggested? Logo 8 on the front and either > >logo 1b or 11 on the back? That way we would have a variety to pick > >from. :-) I think the baseball shirt would look good with logo 8 on the > >front and logo 1b on the back. But, that's just my preference. :-) > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org > > Support Legislation requiring Voter-Verified Paper > Trail for 2004 > Elections > http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/348035553 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 6 14:22:19 2004 Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 14:22:15 -0500 To: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: DCC T-Shirt shop (was Re: Bike Show) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX As you wish sire. http://www.cafeshops.com/dccycles.9247851 If you don't like this one, take it off list to me directly. I added a bunch of other products with logos on them, and ordered 10 of them for myself. I don't remember who did logos 1b or 11, but I always liked 11. 7, 8 and 9 are mine but I know a lot more about photoshop and design now ;-) At 02:01 PM 1/6/2004, ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: >Long sleeve t-shirt with logo 8 small pocket on the front and logo 1b >(black DC with the biker in the middle) on the back. >Same in a t-shirt, baseball shirt and possibly sweatshirt. > >If you would be so kind as to add those designs, I would appreciate it. ;-) ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 6 14:59:57 2004 From: "Rob Sharp" To: Troutman , ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: DC-Cycle Factions (was Re: DCC T-Shirt shop (was Re: Bike Show)) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 15:00:34 -0500 Whats gonna be funny is when their are 26 different versions of the DC-Cycle t-shirt floating around. Isn't the point of a logo, is there is just a single one for an entire group. We could start up like DC-Cycle factions. I call Protestant DC-Cycles. Rob On Tue, 06 Jan 2004 14:22:15 -0500, Troutman wrote > As you wish sire. http://www.cafeshops.com/dccycles.9247851 > > If you don't like this one, take it off list to me directly. I > added a bunch of other products with logos on them, and ordered 10 > of them for myself. I don't remember who did logos 1b or 11, but I > always liked > 11. 7, 8 and 9 are mine but I know a lot more about photoshop and > design now ;-) > > At 02:01 PM 1/6/2004, ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > >Long sleeve t-shirt with logo 8 small pocket on the front and logo 1b > >(black DC with the biker in the middle) on the back. > >Same in a t-shirt, baseball shirt and possibly sweatshirt. > > > >If you would be so kind as to add those designs, I would appreciate it. ;-) > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > 1997 Honda VFR 750 > AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ > NMA http://www.motorists.org -- Rob Sharp 1996 Honda VFR 750 2003 Chevy S10 Xtreme SSCP/CCSP/CCNA 2.0/CCSA Network Security Engineer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 6 15:05:54 2004 Subject: RE: DC-Cycle Factions (was Re: DCC T-Shirt shop (was Re: Bike Show)) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 15:05:42 -0500 From: "Verde, Robert" To: Pretty basic to small-group dynamics. We all put up with each other because we all enjoy motorcycling. Outside of that, we annoy the crap out of each other with our various hobbies, interests, and political views. Still, getting a customized DC Cycles t-shirt, like an OCC chopper, would be a fine thing. Robert - Mark me down as a Protestant as well... ;-) -----Original Message----- From: Rob Sharp [mailto:rob@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 3:01 PM To: Troutman; ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: DC-Cycle Factions (was Re: DCC T-Shirt shop (was Re: Bike Show)) Whats gonna be funny is when their are 26 different versions of the DC-Cycle t-shirt floating around. Isn't the point of a logo, is there is just a single one for an entire group. We could start up like DC-Cycle factions. I call Protestant DC-Cycles. Rob From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 6 15:19:32 2004 Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 15:17:09 -0500 To: "Rob Sharp" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: DC-Cycles logos (was: Re: Bike Show this weekend) Very true...four color screen printing is expensive. On the other hand, ink-jet printing to a T-shirt transfer isn't all that expensive...and you get full color photo level printing that way. I've added doing that to my ToDo list...but I'm not hopeful that it will bubble to the top any time soon. :^) -- Mike B. At 11:33 AM 1/6/04 -0500, Rob Sharp wrote: >Most of them are way to colorful for a t-shirt and any screen printing. > >Rob > >On Tue, 06 Jan 2004 10:55:32 -0500, Mike Bartman wrote >> There are some nice designs there. Very creative. **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 6 15:36:06 2004 From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Electric garb not allowed on flight? Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 15:35:54 -0500 Hmmm... interesting story. I wonder if she is a biker? http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=578&e=3&u=/nm/20040106/ts_nm/security_aviation_flight_dc I guess the moral is to not wear electric clothing onto an airplane... Perry _________________________________________________________________ Have fun customizing MSN Messenger ^[)BM-^W learn how here! http://www.msnmessenger-download.com/tracking/reach_customize From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 6 15:52:55 2004 Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 15:52:45 -0500 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: DC-Cycle Factions (was Re: DCC T-Shirt shop (was Re: Bike Show)) X-AOL-IP: 12.36.128.140 I call the Aethist or Druid Faction. If those are taken, I'll take the Dyslexic Faction. "Yes, I believe in Dog." ;-) And about the logo. When we voted a couple years ago, we chose 1b as our logo and that's what we had printed on our shirts. However, we're not a corporation so, I think as long as the design has DC Cycles in it somewhere that it is fine. Just MHO. Scooter In a message dated 1/6/2004 3:00:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, rob@XXXXXX writes: > > > Whats gonna be funny is when their are 26 different versions of the DC-Cycle > t-shirt floating around. Isn't the point of a logo, is there is just a single > one for an entire group. We could start up like DC-Cycle factions. I call > Protestant DC-Cycles. > > Rob > > On Tue, 06 Jan 2004 14:22:15 -0500, Troutman wrote > > As you wish sire. http://www.cafeshops.com/dccycles.9247851 > > > > If you don't like this one, take it off list to me directly. I > > added a bunch of other products with logos on them, and ordered 10 > > of them for myself. I don't remember who did logos 1b or 11, but I > > always liked > > 11. 7, 8 and 9 are mine but I know a lot more about photoshop and > > design now ;-) > > > > At 02:01 PM 1/6/2004, ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > > >Long sleeve t-shirt with logo 8 small pocket on the front and logo 1b > > >(black DC with the biker in the middle) on the back. > > >Same in a t-shirt, baseball shirt and possibly sweatshirt. > > > > > >If you would be so kind as to add those designs, I would > appreciate it. ;-) > > > > ___________________________________________ > > Mike Troutman > > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > > 1997 Honda VFR 750 > > AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ > > NMA http://www.motorists.org > > > -- > Rob Sharp > 1996 Honda VFR 750 > 2003 Chevy S10 Xtreme > SSCP/CCSP/CCNA 2.0/CCSA > Network Security Engineer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 6 16:12:31 2004 Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 16:12:51 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: DC and cell phones Just heard on WAMU that the D.C. city council passed a resolution banning use of cell phones by bus drivers and people with learner's permits, and restricting all other use to those with "hands free devices". Mayor Williams says he'll sign it. It would go into effect next summer (July I think they said) to allow communication of the new law to drivers and to allow people time to buy hands-free equipment. I'm guessing that some folks will go for this version: http://www.speeding.co.uk/acatalog/handsfree.jpg Fine is $100 for violation. As for the T-shirt/religion thing, I'll claim the Militant Agnostic sector ("I don't know, and *you* don't either!" :^) -- Mike B. **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 6 16:22:27 2004 Subject: RE: DC and cell phones Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 16:22:19 -0500 From: "Verde, Robert" To: "Mike Bartman" , I've seen a lot of mention in the European magazines of Bluetooth headsets for mobile phones. Do any US carriers support Bluetooth-enabled phones? I also recall seeing the wireless headsets built into some motorcycle helmet, I think it was a Schuberth. Not that I need to use a cell phone while wearing a ehlmet, but the wireless aspect appeals to me. Robert -----Original Message----- From: Mike Bartman [mailto:omni@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 4:13 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: DC and cell phones Just heard on WAMU that the D.C. city council passed a resolution banning use of cell phones by bus drivers and people with learner's permits, and restricting all other use to those with "hands free devices". Mayor Williams says he'll sign it. It would go into effect next summer (July I think they said) to allow communication of the new law to drivers and to allow people time to buy hands-free equipment. I'm guessing that some folks will go for this version: http://www.speeding.co.uk/acatalog/handsfree.jpg Fine is $100 for violation. As for the T-shirt/religion thing, I'll claim the Militant Agnostic sector ("I don't know, and *you* don't either!" :^) -- Mike B. **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 6 16:23:39 2004 Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 16:23:36 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: DC and cell phones At 04:12 PM 1/6/2004, Mike Bartman wrote: > I'm guessing that some >folks will go for this version: > >http://www.speeding.co.uk/acatalog/handsfree.jpg > >Fine is $100 for violation. This being DC, it will be approved based on the concept of REVENUE FIRST, SAFETY SECOND. Once they started charging $50 a ticket for primary seat belt violations, the cops were all over it as a fund raiser. Cell phones are easy to blame and I hate them in the ear of a driver as much as the next guy, but the talking on the phone has been proven as the distraction, not the phone itself. Hands free won't change a thing, except I will be bewildered as to the cause of the dumb traffic move instead of seeing its antenna. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 6 16:37:01 2004 Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 16:36:56 -0500 From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: To: "List-dc cycles" Subject: wired jacket on airplane causes problem Here's another version of the story - no battery here, and the wires were part of a leather motorcycle jacket ... http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/news/archive/2004/01/06/national1507EST0672.DTL From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 6 16:40:13 2004 From: Michael Lynch To: "'Verde, Robert'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: DC and cell phones Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 16:45:58 -0500 I have speakers wired into my Shoei, and as a test one time clipped a mike onto the chinbar, made the proper wire harness, and took a ride while talking to my friend on the cell phone. To my surprise, it wasn't at all distracting like I expected it to be. He could hear me fine at speed up to 45 mph or so. Didn't try it beyond that. It felt less distracting than talking on the cell in a 4+ wheeled vehicle actually. Logistically, it has to be set up perfectly. You have to be able to set your phone to auto answer after a couple rings (no fumbling for the phone or buttons) and auto hang up when the other person hangs up. Like that IBM commercial where there's a presentation of this black plastic ball with connectors sticking out all over that can "allow everything to be connected to everything" (humorous), I have dreams of making a universal connector that will pipe audio into the helmet from the cell phone, ipod, V1, FRS, CB, etc. :-) It's gonna look like a Griswold Christmas! :-) Zzzt Mike 98 XR400 96 VFR 76 CB400F > -----Original Message----- > From: Verde, Robert [SMTP:Robert.Verde@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 4:22 PM > To: Mike Bartman; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: DC and cell phones > > I've seen a lot of mention in the European magazines of Bluetooth headsets > for mobile phones. Do any US carriers support Bluetooth-enabled phones? > > I also recall seeing the wireless headsets built into some motorcycle > helmet, I think it was a Schuberth. Not that I need to use a cell phone > while wearing a ehlmet, but the wireless aspect appeals to me. > > Robert > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Bartman [mailto:omni@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 4:13 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: DC and cell phones > > > > Just heard on WAMU that the D.C. city council passed a resolution banning > use of cell phones by bus drivers and people with learner's permits, and > restricting all other use to those with "hands free devices". Mayor > Williams says he'll sign it. It would go into effect next summer (July I > think they said) to allow communication of the new law to drivers and to > allow people time to buy hands-free equipment. I'm guessing that some > folks will go for this version: > > http://www.speeding.co.uk/acatalog/handsfree.jpg > > Fine is $100 for violation. > > > As for the T-shirt/religion thing, I'll claim the Militant Agnostic sector > ("I don't know, and *you* don't either!" :^) > > -- Mike B. > > ************************************************************************** > ** > * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated > * > * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered > * > * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated > * > *------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -* > * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! > * > ************************************************************************** > ** > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 6 16:40:50 2004 Subject: RE: wired jacket on airplane causes problem Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 16:40:41 -0500 From: "Verde, Robert" To: , "List-dc cycles" So they clear her through security, let her board the plane, then take her off... Weird. Remind me yet again of all the civil liberties we've sacrificed in the "war against terrorism." Robert -----Original Message----- From: Chris Norloff [mailto:cnorloff@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 4:37 PM To: List-dc cycles Subject: wired jacket on airplane causes problem Here's another version of the story - no battery here, and the wires were part of a leather motorcycle jacket ... http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/news/archive/2004/01/06/national1507EST0672.DTL From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 6 16:42:28 2004 Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 16:31:58 -0500 To: "Verde, Robert" , From: Mike Bartman Subject: RE: DC and cell phones At 04:22 PM 1/6/04 -0500, Verde, Robert wrote: >I've seen a lot of mention in the European magazines of Bluetooth headsets for mobile phones. Do any US carriers support Bluetooth-enabled phones? I think Nextel's Blackberry does that as well as being a PDA. -- Mike B. **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 6 16:42:34 2004 Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 16:44:00 -0500 To: Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: DC and cell phones At 04:23 PM 1/6/04 -0500, Troutman wrote: >At 04:12 PM 1/6/2004, Mike Bartman wrote: >>Fine is $100 for violation. > >This being DC, it will be approved based on the concept of REVENUE FIRST, >SAFETY SECOND. Well, duh! :^) It got passed 12-1 BTW. >Cell phones are easy to blame and I hate them in the ear of a driver as >much as the next guy, but the talking on the phone has been proven as the >distraction, not the phone itself. Hands free won't change a thing, except >I will be bewildered as to the cause of the dumb traffic move instead of >seeing its antenna. Agreed, but I think it will shift the blame from a simple cell phone to the real problem: too many people aren't competent to be driving. Once you can't blame it on the cell phone, you are more likely to blame the real cause...the person. Of course, that won't fix anything in THIS culture. People drove like idiots before cell phones were invented too (though at a lower rate of occurrence), and they will do so once they are banned from cars entirely too. So long as driving is a necessity to live in most of the country we won't remove licenses from those who can't drive until they kill someone, and even then it's not certain. That will leave lots of bad drivers driving. My plan for improvement of the situation involves a Road Freedom Day once a year. We pick a day that's a holiday anyway, but one where most people don't travel much. President's Day maybe. On that day we eliminate *all* traffic laws on the interstate highway system. No speed limits. No equipment regulations (other than restrictions to protect the integrity of the roads themselves...i.e. no tanks with studded treads). No requirements for lights, signals, or seat belts. Nothing. Oh, and there's no need for police patrols either, as there aren't any traffic laws to enforce. This situation lasts from midnight to midnight on that one day, once a year. All those who want to act like morons are free to do so all they like on that day. The sane people will use alternate routing if they have to go out. The next morning, starting at midnight, anyone with a tow truck or ambulance is allowed to go onto the interstates and salvage whatever they find lying around, cars, bikes, trucks, re-usable organs, whatever. That lasts until the roads are cleared up for regular traffic and things go back to normal, but with a lower number of insane drivers to endanger everyone else. Think of it as evolution in action... -- Mike B. **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 6 16:43:25 2004 Subject: RE: DC and cell phones Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 16:43:16 -0500 From: "Verde, Robert" To: "Michael Lynch" , Looking at the Ericsson site (thanks, Julian!), they have a nice little Bluetooth MP3 player, which auto-mutes when a phone call comes through on the same wireless headset. Nifty! Robert -----Original Message----- From: Michael Lynch [mailto:MLynch@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 4:46 PM To: Verde, Robert; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: DC and cell phones I have speakers wired into my Shoei, and as a test one time clipped a mike onto the chinbar, made the proper wire harness, and took a ride while talking to my friend on the cell phone. To my surprise, it wasn't at all distracting like I expected it to be. He could hear me fine at speed up to 45 mph or so. Didn't try it beyond that. It felt less distracting than talking on the cell in a 4+ wheeled vehicle actually. Logistically, it has to be set up perfectly. You have to be able to set your phone to auto answer after a couple rings (no fumbling for the phone or buttons) and auto hang up when the other person hangs up. Like that IBM commercial where there's a presentation of this black plastic ball with connectors sticking out all over that can "allow everything to be connected to everything" (humorous), I have dreams of making a universal connector that will pipe audio into the helmet from the cell phone, ipod, V1, FRS, CB, etc. :-) It's gonna look like a Griswold Christmas! :-) Zzzt Mike 98 XR400 96 VFR 76 CB400F From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 6 16:48:51 2004 Subject: RE: Road Freedom Day (was: DC and cell phones) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 16:48:42 -0500 From: "Verde, Robert" To: "Mike Bartman" , "Troutman" , Sounds like a one-day version of the dystopia described in Alan Dean Foster's short story; "Why Johnny Can't Drive." Sounds good to me. Unfortunately, most of the random idiots I'd like to see take advantage of such an opportunity to leave the gene pool, wouldn't. Robert -----Original Message----- From: Mike Bartman [mailto:omni@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 4:44 PM To: Troutman; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: DC and cell phones My plan for improvement of the situation involves a Road Freedom Day once a year. We pick a day that's a holiday anyway, but one where most people don't travel much. President's Day maybe. On that day we eliminate *all* traffic laws on the interstate highway system. No speed limits. No equipment regulations (other than restrictions to protect the integrity of the roads themselves...i.e. no tanks with studded treads). No requirements for lights, signals, or seat belts. Nothing. Oh, and there's no need for police patrols either, as there aren't any traffic laws to enforce. This situation lasts from midnight to midnight on that one day, once a year. All those who want to act like morons are free to do so all they like on that day. The sane people will use alternate routing if they have to go out. The next morning, starting at midnight, anyone with a tow truck or ambulance is allowed to go onto the interstates and salvage whatever they find lying around, cars, bikes, trucks, re-usable organs, whatever. That lasts until the roads are cleared up for regular traffic and things go back to normal, but with a lower number of insane drivers to endanger everyone else. Think of it as evolution in action... -- Mike B. **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 6 16:50:50 2004 From: "Rob Sharp" To: "Verde, Robert" , , "List-dc cycles" Subject: RE: wired jacket on airplane causes problem Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 16:51:36 -0500 I don't think so. It says she was taken off before the it departed. Anyhow get a clue and don't wear a jacket with wires in it to the airport. I traveled for a living and I wore jeans, sneakers and a sweatshirt. All metal was in my carry-on or checked. I usually changed at the hotel b4 I hit the clients site. You don't want to give those people (TSA) anything to worry about or else your just looking for hassles. Hell if I was them I would be CYA 24/7 Quote: ------ A Homeland Security official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said a passenger was taken off the plane before it departed from France because of concerns about the wires ------- Rob On Tue, 6 Jan 2004 16:40:41 -0500, Verde, Robert wrote > So they clear her through security, let her board the plane, then > take her off... Weird. > > Remind me yet again of all the civil liberties we've sacrificed in > the "war against terrorism." > > Robert > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Norloff [mailto:cnorloff@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 4:37 PM > To: List-dc cycles > Subject: wired jacket on airplane causes problem > > Here's another version of the story - no battery here, and the wires > were part of a leather motorcycle jacket ... > > http://www.sfgate.com/cgi- > bin/article.cgi?file=/news/archive/2004/01/06/national1507EST0672.DTL -- Rob Sharp 1996 Honda VFR 750 2003 Chevy S10 Xtreme SSCP/CCSP/CCNA 2.0/CCSA Network Security Engineer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 6 16:55:39 2004 Subject: Autocom (was: RE: DC and cell phones) From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 06 Jan 2004 16:52:06 -0500 On Tue, 2004-01-06 at 16:45, Michael Lynch wrote: > I have dreams of making a universal > connector that will pipe audio into the helmet from the cell phone, ipod, > V1, FRS, CB, etc. :-) It's gonna look like a Griswold Christmas! :-) Zzzt > http://www.autocom.co.uk I have one for my bike. I have have my mp3 player and cell phone plugged in. Rita would call me on the cell back when I went to the IDS class and was on my way home. I was able to talk to her while in the left lane on 66 and she was able to hear me better than if I was speaking directly into the phone. I have the autocom mic mounted in the chinbar of my helmet and the speakers in the helmet. I need to mount the speakers farther in though. It's a bit of a pain for longer rides. I used the system to listen to mp3's while on the trip to Boise. I sewed velcro to the chin straps of my 5/8's helmet. It was just loud enough to listen to but only just (wind and earplugs). > Mike > 98 XR400 > 96 VFR > 76 CB400F > Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 6 17:07:12 2004 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "List-dc cycles" Subject: Re: wired jacket on airplane causes problem Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 17:03:47 -0500 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Sharp" > I don't think so. It says she was taken off before the it departed. Anyhow > get a clue and don't wear a jacket with wires in it to the airport. I > traveled for a living and I wore jeans, sneakers a