From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 1 17:16:32 2004 Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2004 17:12:06 -0500 To: Carl Schelin , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: More parts At 04:59 PM 12/30/03 -0500, Carl Schelin wrote: >On the plus side. Last week I went out to the Harley to go home and >found the front wheel pointed in the wrong direction. Normally it's >pointed left and the forks are locked. I wonder if someone tried to steal the bike and only got as far as breaking the fork lock? Just a possibility... -- Mike B. **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 1 17:17:23 2004 Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2004 17:15:08 -0500 To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: white's ferry ride At 02:52 PM 12/31/03 EST, PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > >> Anybody ever try attaching a map pocket to their forearm or thigh? > >Yea. > >But the tape rips out an awful lot of hair when you pull it off. Only the first couple of times... -- Mike B. **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 2 05:00:47 2004 Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 02:00:47 -0800 (PST) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Pleasant Commute. An unexpectedly pleasant commute this morning. I haven't been feeling well and couldn't sleep, and eventually gave up at 0dark30 and rode in. After Wednesday's 0dark30 commute (the most miserable of recent memory), I was a little concerned about the cold, but needn't have been. It was a balmy 50 degrees or so, and there was only light traffic on the dry roads. The sort of ride where you pick a lane (right of center, which just about describes me politically as well) and a cruising speed (65-70 indicated, which made me the slowest thing on the road, but *shrug*) and don't bother with unnecessary complications like lane changes or braking. Whee! Fish. zen From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 2 09:07:20 2004 Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 09:07:14 -0500 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: Pleasant Commute. To: DC-Cycles Fish pointed out: >An unexpectedly pleasant commute this morning...Wednesday's >0dark30 commute (the most miserable of recent memory), I was >a little concerned ... >The sort of ride where you pick a lane (right of center, >which just about describes me politically as well) and a >cruising speed (65-70 indicated, which made me the slowest >thing on the road, but *shrug*) and don't bother >with unnecessary complications like lane changes or braking. [Dave] Enjoy them where you can, but don't get lulled into a false sense of security. I also enjoy the relative calm of the 0 (not "oh") dark thirty commute, but don't see many of them these days. Instead, I see a Purgatory of cages, broken pavement, red traffic lights that are incredibly poorly timed and today - rain. Plus, I think Monday School starts back again, adding another 10 - 12 minutes to my commute... Ah, but those 0-Dark-Thirty rides on 495... Nothing but the sound of the motor, and tooth jarring impact of the pavement ripples along the ride... Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 2 19:03:47 2004 Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 16:03:43 -0800 (PST) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Bike Show To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Hey, we'll be at the Custom Bike Show in Chantilly on Saturday. Here's the info: http://www.cycleprousa.com/showinfo.cfm?showid=47 $15 per adult entrance fee. Carl __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Find out what made the Top Yahoo! Searches of 2003 http://search.yahoo.com/top2003 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 2 20:22:23 2004 Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2004 20:22:11 -0500 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: dm_gsxr@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike Show X-AOL-IP: 152.163.253.71 Speaking of Bike Shows, the Toyota/AMA/International Motorcycle Show is being held next weekend at the DC Convention Center. I purchased two tickets in advance and now only have need for one of them. Anyone want the other? Price is what I paid, $12. First come, first served. :-) Scooter In a message dated 1/2/2004 7:03:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, dm_gsxr@XXXXXX writes: > > > Hey, we'll be at the Custom Bike Show in Chantilly on > Saturday. Here's the > info: > > http://www.cycleprousa.com/showinfo.cfm?showid=47 > > $15 per adult entrance fee. > > Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 2 20:40:07 2004 Reply-To: "S. Russell" From: "S. Russell" To: , , Subject: Re: Bike Show Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 20:39:01 -0500 Read somewhere that Yamaha is having a riding show, allowing people to test ride bikes, not sure if that is true or not. Went to the webpage and can't figure it out. If anyone is going I would like to ride up with people on Sunday, I live in Rockville. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 8:22 PM Subject: Re: Bike Show > Speaking of Bike Shows, the Toyota/AMA/International Motorcycle Show is being held next weekend at the DC Convention Center. I purchased two tickets in advance and now only have need for one of them. Anyone want the other? Price is what I paid, $12. First come, first served. :-) > > Scooter > > In a message dated 1/2/2004 7:03:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, dm_gsxr@XXXXXX writes: > > > > > > > Hey, we'll be at the Custom Bike Show in Chantilly on > > Saturday. Here's the > > info: > > > > http://www.cycleprousa.com/showinfo.cfm?showid=47 > > > > $15 per adult entrance fee. > > > > Carl > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 3 08:37:57 2004 Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2004 08:36:55 -0500 To: Carl Schelin , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Bike Show At 04:03 PM 1/2/04 -0800, Carl Schelin wrote: >Hey, we'll be at the Custom Bike Show in Chantilly on Saturday. Here's the >info: > >http://www.cycleprousa.com/showinfo.cfm?showid=47 > >$15 per adult entrance fee. I was thinking of going Sunday. $15 seems kind of steep though...is this thing really that good? Especially given that there's another one at the D.C. Convention Center next week? -- Mike B. **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 3 09:22:34 2004 Reply-To: "S. Russell" From: "S. Russell" To: "Carl Schelin" , , "Mike Bartman" Subject: Re: Bike Show Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 09:21:56 -0500 and there is another one next weekend in Chantilly too, which one to go to hmmm. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Bartman" To: "Carl Schelin" ; Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2004 8:36 AM Subject: Re: Bike Show > At 04:03 PM 1/2/04 -0800, Carl Schelin wrote: > >Hey, we'll be at the Custom Bike Show in Chantilly on Saturday. Here's the > >info: > > > >http://www.cycleprousa.com/showinfo.cfm?showid=47 > > > >$15 per adult entrance fee. > > I was thinking of going Sunday. $15 seems kind of steep though...is this > thing really that good? Especially given that there's another one at the > D.C. Convention Center next week? > > -- Mike B. > > **************************************************************************** > * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * > * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * > * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * > *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* > * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * > **************************************************************************** > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 3 13:21:47 2004 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike Show Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2004 13:10:26 -0500 I believe the one in Chantilly is mostly custum cruisers. The one in DC is all the new '04s basically. >From: Mike Bartman >To: Carl Schelin , dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Bike Show >Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2004 08:36:55 -0500 > >At 04:03 PM 1/2/04 -0800, Carl Schelin wrote: > >Hey, we'll be at the Custom Bike Show in Chantilly on Saturday. Here's >the > >info: > > > >http://www.cycleprousa.com/showinfo.cfm?showid=47 > > > >$15 per adult entrance fee. > >I was thinking of going Sunday. $15 seems kind of steep though...is this >thing really that good? Especially given that there's another one at the >D.C. Convention Center next week? > >-- Mike B. > >**************************************************************************** >* Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated >* >* Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered >* >* omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated >* >*--------------------------------------------------------------------------* >* "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! >* >**************************************************************************** > _________________________________________________________________ Take advantage of our limited-time introductory offer for dial-up Internet access. http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 3 16:30:20 2004 Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 13:30:16 -0800 (PST) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Re: Bike Show To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- rich hall wrote: > I believe the one in Chantilly is mostly custum cruisers. > The one in DC is all the new '04s basically. > Yea, from what I was reading the DC one is new bikes and the one today (which we missed) is custom bikes (you can enter your own for prises). I wasn't able to talk Rita into going today. Tomorrow either we'll be there or I'll be there. I'm not interested in the new 04's. It opens at 10am and ends at 5pm (if you didn't go to the site). Carl __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 3 16:42:17 2004 Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 13:42:14 -0800 (PST) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Handlebar Sliders To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX The Suzuki didn't have sliders. The left bar was open and the right one looked like it was a different handlebar. I stopped by Coleman's and snagged one of the parts guys. We looked at the diagram for a GSXR and a stock slider has a nut, expander, two spacers, a washer, the cap and a bolt. We checked the handlebars out and discovered the left one still had an expander and a nut. And an 8mm socket behind the nut. I went ahead and picked up a cheap set of sliders and a tank protector. When I got home, I put the left slider in with no problem. I used the hex wrench on the right side to see if I could catch the nut and pull it all out. No such luck. I grabbed a pair of long-nose pliers and tried to use the teeth to catch the edge of the spacer and pull it out. That's when I found the spacer was soft metal (lead probably). After using the pliers to pry out hunks of lead, I was able to inch (well, mm :-) it out and finally had the torn up chunk of spacer. The second spacer, expander and nut dropped right out. Off to the trash for them. I put the right slider in, cleaned off the tank and put the protector on. Lots of riders out today. Several packs of sportbikers. I saw one lady on a red sportbike touching just the tips of her toes to hold the bike level at a light on the way to Coleman's. There were several old-ladies in their big cars yakking on their cell phones. Hope you're riding and not reading. See you tomorrow at the show. If you're there I'll be in my Joe Rocket jacket with a flourescent orange mesh vest and reflective stripes. Say hi. Carl __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Find out what made the Top Yahoo! Searches of 2003 http://search.yahoo.com/top2003 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 3 17:29:07 2004 From: "Sean Steele" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2004 17:28:21 -0500 Subject: Like packs of roving... X-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information Tons of riders out today. Anyone here in that pack of sportbikes headed out of DC on Canal Rd. NW, towards the Chain Bridge, around 4:45pm? There must have been 15 of you guys... it was grand. -Sean '93 Seca II From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 3 19:24:42 2004 Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 16:24:23 -0800 (PST) From: John Kozyn Subject: RE: Like packs of roving... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Sean Steele" Tons of riders out today. Anyone here in that pack of sportbikes headed out of DC on Canal Rd. NW, towards the Chain Bridge, around 4:45pm? There must have been 15 of you guys... it was grand. =========== Nope, our band of merry men headed out to 211 via 691 to 635 and 522 for some twisties :) Then we meandered down to 259 to 613 out to 33, to 220 to 55 and finally back to 66 and home. It was definitely grand and extremely satisfying :) 380 miles RT from Arlington. What a day!! John Kozyn (D-mode) 1999 900SS 1995 VFR750F __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jan 4 02:00:41 2004 Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2004 01:59:04 -0500 To: Carl Schelin , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Bike Show At 01:30 PM 1/3/04 -0800, Carl Schelin wrote: >Yea, from what I was reading the DC one is new bikes and the one today >(which we missed) is custom bikes (you can enter your own for prises). I was at the woodworking show up in Timonium today. Still not sure about tomorrow and the bike show. Be nice to go, but it's supposed to be really warm tomorrow...ride or look? Hmmm....maybe if the 30% chance of rain hits I'll go look. >I wasn't able to talk Rita into going today. Tomorrow either we'll be >there or I'll be there. I'm not interested in the new 04's. I've got a new '04 already, but the other stuff, like J&Ps offerings, are still of interest. >It opens at 10am and ends at 5pm (if you didn't go to the site). Yeah, that's the main problem. We'll see. -- Mike B. "In the representative system, the reason for everything must publicly appear. Every man is a proprietor in government, and considers it a necessary part of his business to understand. It concerns his interest because it affects his property. He examines the cost, and compares it with the advantages; and above all, he does not adopt the slavish custom of following what in other governments are called 'leaders'." -- Tom Paine, _Rights of Man_ (1791-92) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jan 4 02:00:50 2004 Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2004 01:55:57 -0500 To: "rich hall" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Bike Show Just got a note from J&P Cycles that they will be at the D.C. show next week. 10% off orders placed at the show and shipped to your home, 15% if you are part of their "Gold Club" deal. Free catalogs for anyone who wants one too. I've only seen their Harley book, which is pretty good, but I hear they have others for metric and vintage bikes. -- Mike B. At 01:10 PM 1/3/04 -0500, rich hall wrote: >I believe the one in Chantilly is mostly custum cruisers. >The one in DC is all the new '04s basically. > >>From: Mike Bartman >>At 04:03 PM 1/2/04 -0800, Carl Schelin wrote: >> >Hey, we'll be at the Custom Bike Show in Chantilly on Saturday. Here's >>the info: >> > >> >http://www.cycleprousa.com/showinfo.cfm?showid=47 >> > >> >$15 per adult entrance fee. >> >>I was thinking of going Sunday. $15 seems kind of steep though...is this >>thing really that good? Especially given that there's another one at the >>D.C. Convention Center next week? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jan 4 02:23:28 2004 Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 23:23:05 -0800 (PST) From: Adam Reinhardt Subject: "Take-Off" Tire pricing To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I'm new to race tires and I have an extra Michelin Pilot Race front tire that is too large for my front wheel. I was told that it has less than one track day on it and looking at the tire I can see that the center tread is hardly touched although the side tread is somewhat scruffed. My question is if I try to sell this tire on an online forum, what would be a reasonable price to ask? I was thinking maybe $20-30, am I off base here? Thanks, Adam __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Find out what made the Top Yahoo! Searches of 2003 http://search.yahoo.com/top2003 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jan 4 16:24:21 2004 Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2004 13:24:16 -0800 (PST) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Re: "Take-Off" Tire pricing To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX e-bay has 8 tires for a high price of 89.95 for a single rear tire and 75 for a pair of one track day race tires. I guess it depends on the other specs of the tire. Basically check the other locations for similar tires. Find out the retail value and maybe throw it up on e-bay. Carl --- Adam Reinhardt wrote: > > I'm new to race tires and I have an extra Michelin > Pilot Race front tire that is too large for my front > wheel. I was told that it has less than one track day > on it and looking at the tire I can see that the > center tread is hardly touched although the side tread > is somewhat scruffed. My question is if I try to sell > this tire on an online forum, what would be a > reasonable price to ask? I was thinking maybe $20-30, > am I off base here? > > Thanks, > Adam > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Find out what made the Top Yahoo! Searches of 2003 > http://search.yahoo.com/top2003 > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Find out what made the Top Yahoo! Searches of 2003 http://search.yahoo.com/top2003 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jan 4 17:24:19 2004 Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2004 14:24:17 -0800 (PST) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Re: Four headlights, one headache To: drgridlock@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX For the same reason people are getting the extra bright lights. To be seen. My wife drives with her fog lights on. It bothers me sometimes so I'll turn them off. But I notice that more people pull out in front of me when they're off that they do when my wife drives. While it tests my reflexes and patience, I prefer that they see me. As a motorcycle rider, I also drive during the daylight hours with my highbeams on. There are modulating headlights for motorcycles that gradually brighten and dim headlights again for visibility. Back in the 70's when I started riding motorcycles regularly, the headlights were required by law to be on for safety purposes. Nowadays, everyone rides with lights on and bikers are not as easy to see again. Hence the modulating headlights, high beams during the day, led tail lights and turn signals. We just want you to see us. Carl Schelin __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jan 4 17:43:11 2004 Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2004 17:40:52 -0500 From: Laura Roach To: Carl Schelin CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: "Take-Off" Tire pricing If you've got take offs, the best place to sell them is at the track...if someone is buying take offs, they probably aren't going to be willing to pay for shipping. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jan 4 18:22:21 2004 Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2004 15:21:58 -0800 (PST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Mt. Weather Road, What the heck??? To: DC-Cycles I took the Rt. 50 to Mt. Weather Road / Snickerville Pike loop today to get a few miles on the bike (2003 didn't have many miles, gotta start out right with the new year). Right near the weather station, I was anticipating those two sharp 90 degree turns... but they STRAIGHTENED OUT THE ROAD?!?!?!?!?!? When the heck did that happen? How disappointing!! Next thing you know, they'll straighten out that 5 mph hairpin turn at the Rt. 7 end of the Snickerville Pike. (I hate that turn anyway...) Louis ===== "Admiral" Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours Fairfax, VA Please consider helping me support the Pediatric Brain Tumor Foundation http://www.geocities.com/nighthawk700/rideforkids.htm __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Find out what made the Top Yahoo! Searches of 2003 http://search.yahoo.com/top2003 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 5 08:36:32 2004 Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 05:36:26 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Don't Try this... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://www.canadianrider.com/articles/watch_your_fingers.htm __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Find out what made the Top Yahoo! Searches of 2003 http://search.yahoo.com/top2003 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 5 09:57:28 2004 Subject: Happy New Year '04 Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 09:58:35 -0500 From: "Julian Halton" To: Drove my car from Arlington to Montreal, Canada on the 29th of Dec to celebrate the best New Year's ever. Returned back Friday to this gorgeous weather. Saw only two riders on my trip- both in upper NY state on Harley's. Went to check out the custom bike show in Chantilly this week. Saw lots of beautiful bikes- who can afford these things? The accessories seemed to be selling much cheaper than at the stores- I guess they are not the same quality. Before leaving I took a ride from McArthur blvd to Falls road to River road. Great ride and saw many bikers. Also saw a lot of bikes in Old Town Alexandria yesterday. Am looking forward to the bike show this week and one of these days it would be nice to put some more faces to the names on this list. All the best for '04 everyone. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 5 10:02:39 2004 Subject: RE: Happy New Year '04 Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 10:02:27 -0500 From: "Verde, Robert" To: Tons of bikers out yesterday, I got caught out in my cold-weather gear, made for a bit of sweaty ride. Still, gorgeous riding over the weekend! I see the weather report for the upcoming week has temps hitting a high of 30^[)BM-: or so on Wednesday, hope it's a dry cold... ;-/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 5 10:25:11 2004 Subject: Re: Happy New Year '04 From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 05 Jan 2004 10:21:34 -0500 On Mon, 2004-01-05 at 09:58, Julian Halton wrote: > Drove my car from Arlington to Montreal, Canada on the 29th of Dec to > celebrate the best New Year's ever. Returned back Friday to this > gorgeous weather. Saw only two riders on my trip- both in upper NY > state on Harley's. You should have riden. Then there would have been three :-) > Went to check out the custom bike show in Chantilly > this week. Saw lots of beautiful bikes- who can afford these things? We were there yesterday. There were quite a few show bikes but there were also several old style panhead, shovelhead and triumph choppers. I got quite a few ideas and some understanding on some things for my project bike. The show bikes for the most part looked very similar. Different paint jobs here and there and the presentations were varied. There was one guy in the back with a Gold Wing and lots of blue LEDs. He also had a bunch of electronic gadgets like a cell phone and GPS. There was a nice sidecar bike on the left side that was painted on the bottom of the sidecar. I can't imagine actually riding some of these $30k + bikes. Rita said she'd like to ride in the bike with the sidecar. It might be fun for snow as well :-) In one of the show bike areas I overheard someone say that a 5'7" woman showed up yesterday, saw one of the bikes she liked, put the $30k on her credit card and drove it off. I think I was the only guy there not in leathers or sporting a biker slogan t-shirt (I had the Joe Rocket jacket with the shell zipped out and my reflective vest and was wearing my bright yellow/blue/green tie-dyed t-shirt). > The > accessories seemed to be selling much cheaper than at the stores- I > guess they are not the same quality. > Some of the prices looked high but my mods were fairly minor so I'm not a good judge. I was interested in the LED display, the handlebar risers and curved license plate holders for my project. The prices seemed reasonable and it was good to be able to actually see them. > Before leaving I took a ride from McArthur blvd to Falls road to River > road. Great ride and saw many bikers. Also saw a lot of bikes in Old > Town Alexandria yesterday. Am looking forward to the bike show this week > and one of these days it would be nice to put some more faces to the > names on this list. All the best for '04 everyone. > I'm going to try and be at the DC show Saturday. Maybe there should be a lunch get together. Any takers? Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 5 10:59:26 2004 Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 10:59:19 -0500 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Bike Show this weekend X-AOL-IP: 12.36.128.140 Well, since I live about 3 blocks from the new Convention Center, I plan on attending the show this weekend. Probably go on Saturday but, might swing by Sunday also. :-) One of the many Carl's on the list suggested a lunch time gathering. I think I can manage that. I'll probably be wearing my red R6 textile jacket and maybe even my DC Cycles t-shirt. Cowboy hat optional. :-) BTW, I still have an extra advance ticket if anyone wants it. $12 is the going price and you don't have to stand in line. Scooter From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 5 11:12:47 2004 Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 11:12:48 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Bike Show this weekend At 10:59 AM 1/5/2004, ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: >Well, since I live about 3 blocks from the new Convention Center, I plan >on attending the show this weekend. Probably go on Saturday but, might >swing by Sunday also. :-) One of the many Carl's on the list suggested a >lunch time gathering. I think I can manage that. I'll probably be >wearing my red R6 textile jacket and maybe even my DC Cycles >t-shirt. Cowboy hat optional. :-) I'll be there Saturday as well. For the car show, Hooters made a convenient meeting place. I will probably do that again around 11:30am Saturday. DC-Cycles shirt on as usual. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 5 11:12:59 2004 From: "Sean Steele" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 11:12:34 -0500 Subject: Dropped bike this morning (long) X-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information So I got up this morning at o' dark thirty to ride over and get in line at the DC (dis)Inspection Station... waited in line for an hour, breathed copious fumes, passed the inspection in about 30 sec. (brake? horn? push down on the forks?), got my sticker, then tail between legs, had to pushstart the bike (dead battery or bad alternator, I'm not sure which), and finally got back underway at about 9am. But, by now, it's raining. Pretty hard. And the streets haven't seen rain in a bit, so everything's starting to look and feel slick. Eventually I make my way over to the right hand turn onto Washington Circle -- coming up Pennsylvania Ave. from the Eye/I St. intersection. I see a taxi in the far left lane as I'm making my turn into the circle. He comes across 3 lanes, zooms right in from my left in front of me -- no signal -- and I break not to hit him as he's making a hard right turn. My front wheel leans and then skids on the slick road, and whoosh... the bike goes right out from under me. I go down in the street on my left side. I get up right away, no scratches (thank you God-slash-Firstgear pants), and my bike is now laying in the center lane of Washington Circle. The taxi is long gone. Some guy runs over and we stand the bike up and push it up on the sidewalk. There's a strong smell of gas and I'm saying just about every four-letter word I know. Damage: broken left footpeg, smashed left mirror, scratch on exhaust pipe. It turns out your rear footpeg makes for a decent replacement for a broken front footpeg, and emergency tools are a good thing to have in case of... emergencies. Lessons learned: (A #1 Biggest) If you've never ridden in rain and on slick roads -- or in new environmental conditions (i.e., high wind, snow/sleet) be incredibly careful, increase your following distances, and don't turn sharply if you can help it. 2. Assume the car/taxi/bus/truck will cut you off, or stop directly in front of you, or something else equally stupid and dangerous that will cause you to eat up your margin for error. 3. Assume braking your front brake hard will cause the wheel to skid, especially if you're in even the mildest turn. 4. When in doubt, take the easiest route home. Avoid tricky intersections and multiple-street intersections wherever possible. Don't try to teach yourself anything new when the environmental conditions decrease your margin for error. 5. Wear all your gear. Every time. No excuses. I was gearing all my gear, thankfully. And #4 is esp. important: I was thinking on my way up to the Circle, "Huh. I've never ridden through this Circle before... def. not at rush hour, and not in the rain, and I'm not 100% sure which lane I need to be in... well, this is as good a time as any to learn!" Turns out you shouldn't try to learn when you're trying to keep it upright. As a newbie, I will try not to push myself if and when I don't have to. -Sean '93 (even more beat up) Seca II From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 5 11:16:54 2004 Subject: RE: Bike Show this weekend Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 11:18:01 -0500 From: "Julian Halton" To: , Guys... I want to go early as I have to bartend Saturday night but I would be definitely amenable to dropping into Hooter's to say hello. -----Original Message----- From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX [mailto:ScooterFZR@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 10:59 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Bike Show this weekend Well, since I live about 3 blocks from the new Convention Center, I plan on attending the show this weekend. Probably go on Saturday but, might swing by Sunday also. :-) One of the many Carl's on the list suggested a lunch time gathering. I think I can manage that. I'll probably be wearing my red R6 textile jacket and maybe even my DC Cycles t-shirt. Cowboy hat optional. :-) BTW, I still have an extra advance ticket if anyone wants it. $12 is the going price and you don't have to stand in line. Scooter From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 5 11:19:35 2004 From: Sunil Doshi Subject: Re: Dropped bike this morning (long) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 11:19:26 -0500 To: DC Cycles Sean, Reminds me of my encounter with a patch of ice a few weeks ago. I'm also a newbie, and that spill definitely taught me a thing or two. I'm guessing that the gas smell was nothing to worry about. I also smelled some gas when I fell. The carbs also got flooded, and I didn't understand that this was the reason the bike didn't start right away. Scared the shit out of me. Glad you're alright. Sunil On Jan 5, 2004, at 11:12 AM, Sean Steele wrote: > So I got up this morning at o' dark thirty to ride over and get in > line at the DC (dis)Inspection Station... waited in line for an hour, > breathed copious fumes, passed the inspection in about 30 sec. (brake? > horn? push down on the forks?), got my sticker, then tail between > legs, had to pushstart the bike (dead battery or bad alternator, I'm > not sure which), and finally got back underway at about 9am. > > But, by now, it's raining. Pretty hard. And the streets haven't seen > rain in a bit, so everything's starting to look and feel slick. > > Eventually I make my way over to the right hand turn onto Washington > Circle -- coming up Pennsylvania Ave. from the Eye/I St. intersection. > I see a taxi in the far left lane as I'm making my turn into the > circle. He comes across 3 lanes, zooms right in from my left in front > of me -- no signal -- and I break not to hit him as he's making a hard > right turn. My front wheel leans and then skids on the slick road, and > whoosh... the bike goes right out from under me. I go down in the > street on my left side. > > I get up right away, no scratches (thank you God-slash-Firstgear > pants), and my bike is now laying in the center lane of Washington > Circle. The taxi is long gone. Some guy runs over and we stand the > bike up and push it up on the sidewalk. There's a strong smell of gas > and I'm saying just about every four-letter word I know. > > Damage: broken left footpeg, smashed left mirror, scratch on exhaust > pipe. It turns out your rear footpeg makes for a decent replacement > for a broken front footpeg, and emergency tools are a good thing to > have in case of... emergencies. > > Lessons learned: > > (A #1 Biggest) If you've never ridden in rain and on slick roads -- or > in new environmental conditions (i.e., high wind, snow/sleet) be > incredibly careful, increase your following distances, and don't turn > sharply if you can help it. > > 2. Assume the car/taxi/bus/truck will cut you off, or stop directly in > front of you, or something else equally stupid and dangerous that will > cause you to eat up your margin for error. > > 3. Assume braking your front brake hard will cause the wheel to skid, > especially if you're in even the mildest turn. > > 4. When in doubt, take the easiest route home. Avoid tricky > intersections and multiple-street intersections wherever possible. > Don't try to teach yourself anything new when the environmental > conditions decrease your margin for error. > > 5. Wear all your gear. Every time. No excuses. > > I was gearing all my gear, thankfully. And #4 is esp. important: I was > thinking on my way up to the Circle, "Huh. I've never ridden through > this Circle before... def. not at rush hour, and not in the rain, and > I'm not 100% sure which lane I need to be in... well, this is as good > a time as any to learn!" > > Turns out you shouldn't try to learn when you're trying to keep it > upright. As a newbie, I will try not to push myself if and when I > don't have to. > > -Sean > '93 (even more beat up) Seca II > > sunil http://widepipe.org/ride/ '03 Honda Shadow ACE 750 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 5 11:46:26 2004 From: "Sean Steele" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 11:46:04 -0500 Subject: Thanks and Texas Hold 'Em X-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information Thanks everyone for your kind words and well wishes. Let's hope my first drop was my last and only drop! **** On a happier note, I'm hosting a Texas Hold 'Em Poker Tourney on Jan 24th here in DC, from 4:30pm-?. It should be a lot of fun, and a good chance to meet some fellow DC-Cycles listers. It's going to be a relaxed group of guys, mostly 25-35 year old professionals. The buy-in is modest and we're keeping the number of players rather low (~20). Please email me off-list if you're interested in more details. Thanks, -Sean From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 5 12:06:52 2004 Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 12:06:47 -0500 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: Dropped bike this morning (long) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX ...turn onto Washington >Circle -- coming up Pennsylvania Ave. from the Eye/I St. >intersection. I see a taxi in the far left lane as I'm >making my turn into the circle. >He comes across 3 lanes, zooms right in from my left in >front of me -- no signal -- and I break not to hit him as >he's making a hard right turn. [Dave] Of COURSE he is. Cab drivers. We ought to be able to use the "Bush doctrine of preemption" against taxis using moto launched hellfire missiles. I haven't ridden in that many cabs, some were ok, some were harrowing. Daily I encounter interference with them in Alexandria. Most days, I just outpace them, but sometimes traffic won't let me pass, and that's usually the time that they pull the "I'm not sure if this is the turn... woops I just passed it BUT I'M GOING TO PANIC STOP AND EXECUTE A 120 DEGREE TURN ANYWAY TRAFFIC BEHIND ME BE DAMNED!" move. > My front wheel leans and then skids on the slick road, and >whoosh... the bike goes right out from under me. I go down >in the street on my left side. > >I get up right away, no scratches (thank you God-slash- >Firstgear pants), and my bike is now laying in the center >lane of Washington Circle. The taxi is long gone. Some guy >runs over and we stand the bike up and push it up on the >sidewalk. There's a strong smell of gas and I'm saying just >about every four-letter word I know. > >Damage: broken left footpeg, smashed left mirror, scratch on >exhaust pipe. It turns out your rear footpeg makes for a >decent replacement for a broken front footpeg, and emergency >tools are a good thing to have in case of... emergencies. > >Lessons learned: ... [Dave] Wear your gear is number 1. Without your gear, you are definitely the worse for wear in this incident. Kudos to you for having the sense to be prepared. Aspects of your tale are both cool, and sucky... It sucks that you had the wipeout, but it's cool that you're ok. Don't be so hard on yourself that your confidence suffers. All in all, you did live to write about it. Next time, live to write about the really cool panic stop you had to do to keep from hitting the smouldering ruins of the cab that just cut you off and you vaporized with your pod mounted hellfires.... Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 5 12:14:25 2004 Subject: Retread of first bike question Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 12:14:16 -0500 From: "Verde, Robert" To: Although I've saved most of the mail from the last round of Q&A, I'd be interested in the list comments; I'm looking to buy a bike for a friend. I will admit I'm biased, as I ride the greatest bike made, the Honda Interceptor, and I think everyone should own one, but... perhaps not for a first bike. I'm also biased towards a sport bike is a great first bike, as dependable (read: accurate) handling is key to making the riding experience attractive. Criteria: 1. Little or no bodywork, for that inevitable dropping incident. 2. Cheap (-ish) for the above reason, and because I'm not made of money. 3. New (-ish), because I think new tech makes for a more forgiving ride, all things considered. Good dependable brakes are a must. 4. Sport bike, but not as cutting edge as a R6. Rider is not inseam-challenged, but probably not a Kaw KLR650. 5. 400-600 cc range, or thereabouts. The Ninja 250 is pretty small, and I'm not specifically looking for the 600cc spec-racer class bikes. I've been leaning towards the Suzuki SV650, but prices, even on used bikes, approach those for used VFRs. CAD Cycles has a salvage titled one (?!!) for 4099, which isn't too far from new pricing. There are a few on E-Bay, but I'd prefer to buy locally (local to include Delaware/PA/WV/MD). Also been looking at the Honda Reflex maxi-scooter, but I'm not sold on the concept, even if it's great for commuting. Feedback? Can be offline, as this is certainly a retread thread. Robert From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 5 12:21:23 2004 From: "LindaT." To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: RE: Dropped bike this morning (long) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 12:20:18 -0500 I broke the same footpeg the first time I dropped my Seca (10 minutes into my first ride). A replacement is +$50. I did the same substitution that you did as well. I had a little trouble getting the cotter pin out. Great minds think alike ;-) LindaT. http://www.customtankbags.com Now - TankBags for 1800 Wings Springfield, VA (suburb of our nation's capital) AMA IBA HSTA BMWBMW 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy 95 F3 Purple Haze 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing Sean Steele said: Damage: broken left footpeg, smashed left mirror, scratch on exhaust pipe. It turns out your rear footpeg makes for a decent replacement for a broken front footpeg, and emergency tools are a good thing to have in case of... emergencies. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 5 12:28:07 2004 Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 12:27:48 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Free monitors *NM* We have 8 14" VGA monitors headed to the PWC dump this weekend along with a few Performa Macs (operational). If anyone wants them (pick up only), they can contact me offlist below. _________________________________________ Michael Troutman Director of Network Engineering Wheat International Communications Corporation 1890 Preston White Drive, Suite 300 Reston, Virginia 20191 Office - 703.262.9172 Cell - 571.332.4396 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 5 12:33:48 2004 Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 09:33:42 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Retread of first bike question To: "Verde, Robert" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Although you say you've already ruled out the Ninja 250; I think it's a pretty decent bike. MFI has a leftover green '03 on the showroom floor advertised at $2799 (OTD for VA residents at $3111.) Leon Begeman Ninja 250 Ninja 250 ZX6 - if I ever get around to getting it running again. --- "Verde, Robert" wrote: > Although I've saved most of the mail from the last > round of Q&A, I'd be interested in the list > comments; > > I'm looking to buy a bike for a friend. I will > admit I'm biased, as I ride the greatest bike made, > the Honda Interceptor, and I think everyone should > own one, but... perhaps not for a first bike. I'm > also biased towards a sport bike is a great first > bike, as dependable (read: accurate) handling is key > to making the riding experience attractive. > > Criteria: > > 1. Little or no bodywork, for that inevitable > dropping incident. > 2. Cheap (-ish) for the above reason, and because > I'm not made of money. > 3. New (-ish), because I think new tech makes for a > more forgiving ride, all things considered. Good > dependable brakes are a must. > 4. Sport bike, but not as cutting edge as a R6. > Rider is not inseam-challenged, but probably not a > Kaw KLR650. > 5. 400-600 cc range, or thereabouts. The Ninja 250 > is pretty small, and I'm not specifically looking > for the 600cc spec-racer class bikes. > > I've been leaning towards the Suzuki SV650, but > prices, even on used bikes, approach those for used > VFRs. CAD Cycles has a salvage titled one (?!!) for > 4099, which isn't too far from new pricing. There > are a few on E-Bay, but I'd prefer to buy locally > (local to include Delaware/PA/WV/MD). > > Also been looking at the Honda Reflex maxi-scooter, > but I'm not sold on the concept, even if it's great > for commuting. > > Feedback? Can be offline, as this is certainly a > retread thread. > > Robert > > > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Find out what made the Top Yahoo! Searches of 2003 http://search.yahoo.com/top2003 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 5 12:55:59 2004 Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 12:55:37 -0500 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: mike@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike Show this weekend X-AOL-IP: 12.36.128.140 In a message dated 1/5/2004 11:12:48 AM Eastern Standard Time, mike@XXXXXX writes: > > > At 10:59 AM 1/5/2004, ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > >Well, since I live about 3 blocks from the new Convention Center, I plan > >on attending the show this weekend. Probably go on Saturday but, might > >swing by Sunday also. :-) One of the many Carl's on the list suggested a > >lunch time gathering. I think I can manage that. I'll probably be > >wearing my red R6 textile jacket and maybe even my DC Cycles > >t-shirt. Cowboy hat optional. :-) > > I'll be there Saturday as well. For the car show, Hooters made a > convenient meeting place. I will probably do that again > around 11:30am > Saturday. DC-Cycles shirt on as usual. > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman Sounds like the beginnings of a plan. I'll keep an eye out for you. Scooter From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 5 13:06:47 2004 Subject: Re: Bike Show this weekend From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 05 Jan 2004 13:03:13 -0500 On Mon, 2004-01-05 at 12:55, ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 1/5/2004 11:12:48 AM Eastern Standard Time, mike@XXXXXX writes: > > Sounds like the beginnings of a plan. I'll keep an eye out for you. > > Scooter > How about a time and keyword? Say 11:30am and the table is for dc-cycles. I know I don't know many folks by face. Maybe we can wear list identifiable tokens. Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 5 13:12:54 2004 Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 13:12:42 -0500 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: cschelin@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike Show this weekend X-AOL-IP: 12.36.128.140 OK, if you suspect that the person belongs to the list, you say "The cow jumped over the moon." If you receive a counter response of "The moon is made of green cheese", then you know that person is a DC Cycles operative. LOL Seriously though, time and table name are OK with me. As I said, I'll probably be wearing my red R6 jacket, DC Cycles t-shirt and cowboy hat. Scooter In a message dated 1/5/2004 1:03:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, cschelin@XXXXXX writes: > > > On Mon, 2004-01-05 at 12:55, ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > > In a message dated 1/5/2004 11:12:48 AM Eastern Standard Time, mike@XXXXXX writes: > > > > > Sounds like the beginnings of a plan. I'll keep an eye out for you. > > > > Scooter > > > > How about a time and keyword? Say 11:30am and the table is for > dc-cycles. I know I don't know many folks by face. Maybe we > can wear > list identifiable tokens. > > Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 5 13:16:55 2004 Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 10:16:42 -0800 (PST) From: Adam Reinhardt Subject: Re: Retread of first bike question To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I think the Kawasaki EX500/Ninja 500 or Suzuki GS500E/F are the bikes that best meet your criteria here. Adam > I'm looking to buy a bike for a friend. I will > admit I'm biased, as I ride the greatest bike made, > the Honda Interceptor, and I think everyone should > own one, but... perhaps not for a first bike. I'm > also biased towards a sport bike is a great first > bike, as dependable (read: accurate) handling is key > to making the riding experience attractive. > > Criteria: > > 1. Little or no bodywork, for that inevitable > dropping incident. > 2. Cheap (-ish) for the above reason, and because > I'm not made of money. > 3. New (-ish), because I think new tech makes for a > more forgiving ride, all things considered. Good > dependable brakes are a must. > 4. Sport bike, but not as cutting edge as a R6. > Rider is not inseam-challenged, but probably not a > Kaw KLR650. > 5. 400-600 cc range, or thereabouts. The Ninja 250 > is pretty small, and I'm not specifically looking > for the 600cc spec-racer class bikes. > > I've been leaning towards the Suzuki SV650, but > prices, even on used bikes, approach those for used > VFRs. CAD Cycles has a salvage titled one (?!!) for > 4099, which isn't too far from new pricing. There > are a few on E-Bay, but I'd prefer to buy locally > (local to include Delaware/PA/WV/MD). > > Also been looking at the Honda Reflex maxi-scooter, > but I'm not sold on the concept, even if it's great > for commuting. > > Feedback? Can be offline, as this is certainly a > retread thread. > > Robert > > > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Find out what made the Top Yahoo! Searches of 2003 http://search.yahoo.com/top2003 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 5 13:31:01 2004 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Julian Halton" , , "dc-cycles list" Subject: Re: Bike Show this weekend Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 13:29:13 -0500 If lunch is at Hooter's I'll have to pass. I'll prolly be attending the show with the wife and I'm sure she would like a different lunch place. The show itself will be a tough enough sell, without Hooter's on top of that. :) I'll be there on Saturday, unless the weather's nice. Looks like more "seasonable" temperatures for the next week or so. Paul in DC, who didn't have time to ride the motos this weekend--dammit--but did ride the pedal bike, in shorts, in January. :) 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - www.wilsonline.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Julian Halton" > > Guys... > > I want to go early as I have to bartend Saturday night but I would be > definitely amenable to dropping into Hooter's to say hello. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 5 13:31:10 2004 Subject: Re: Bike Show this weekend From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 05 Jan 2004 13:27:37 -0500 On Mon, 2004-01-05 at 13:12, ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > OK, if you suspect that the person belongs to the list, you say "The cow jumped over the moon." If you receive a counter response of "The moon is made of green cheese", then you know that person is a DC Cycles operative. LOL > If you're a fan of Michael Nesmith: "The Wind Is In The Buffalo" > Seriously though, time and table name are OK with me. As I said, I'll probably be wearing my red R6 jacket, DC Cycles t-shirt and cowboy hat. > Cool. Just trying to keep it from becoming a "Where's Scooter" lunch hour :-) > Scooter > Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 5 13:38:35 2004 Subject: Re: Bike Show this weekend From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 05 Jan 2004 13:35:01 -0500 On Mon, 2004-01-05 at 13:29, Paul Wilson wrote: > If lunch is at Hooter's I'll have to pass. I'll prolly be attending the > show with the wife and I'm sure she would like a different lunch place. The > show itself will be a tough enough sell, without Hooter's on top of that. > :) I'll be there on Saturday, unless the weather's nice. Looks like more > "seasonable" temperatures for the next week or so. > Yea good thought. Rita has suggested we go to Hooters a couple of times. I've never been there myself. As far as meeting places, I'm pretty easy. Is there another, more family friendly place we could meet? (smoke free preferably.) Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 5 13:38:40 2004 Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 13:38:29 -0500 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: cschelin@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike Show this weekend X-AOL-IP: 12.36.128.140 In a message dated 1/5/2004 1:27:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, cschelin@XXXXXX writes: > > > On Mon, 2004-01-05 at 13:12, ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > > OK, if you suspect that the person belongs to the list, you say "The cow jumped over the moon." If you receive a counter response of "The moon is made of green cheese", then you know that person is a DC Cycles operative. LOL > > > > If you're a fan of Michael Nesmith: "The Wind Is In The Buffalo" OK, that's a better countersign. :-) > > > Seriously though, time and table name are OK with me. As I said, I'll probably be wearing my red R6 jacket, DC Cycles t-shirt and cowboy hat. > > > > Cool. Just trying to keep it from becoming a "Where's > Scooter" lunch > hour :-) > > > Scooter > > > > Carl If that where the case, I'd be wearing a red and white striped shirt and knit cap. hehe Scooter From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 5 13:40:45 2004 Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 10:40:38 -0800 (PST) From: Adam Reinhardt Subject: RE: Retread of first bike question To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Check out: htttp://www.gstwin.com This forum alone was one of the main reasons I bought a GS500 as a project track bike instead of the more powerful (but less agile) Ninja 500. Adam --- "Verde, Robert" wrote: > Thanks for the comments! I hadn't considered the > GS500, even though my first bike was the GS450S.... > D'oh! Long-term memory loss, I guess. > > Robert > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Adam Reinhardt [mailto:ajreinhardt@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 1:17 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Retread of first bike question > > > > I think the Kawasaki EX500/Ninja 500 or Suzuki > GS500E/F > are the bikes that best meet your criteria here. > > Adam __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Find out what made the Top Yahoo! Searches of 2003 http://search.yahoo.com/top2003 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 5 13:41:28 2004 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Happy New Year '04 Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 13:29:26 -0500 I took River Rd to the end on Sat, gets pretty nice there. Saw a lot of bicyclist on it. >From: "Julian Halton" >To: >Subject: Happy New Year '04 >Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 09:58:35 -0500 > >Before leaving I took a ride from McArthur blvd to Falls road to River >road. Great ride and saw many bikers. _________________________________________________________________ Expand your wine savvy ^[)BM-^W and get some great new recipes M-^W at MSN Wine. http://wine.msn.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 5 13:48:51 2004 Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 13:47:38 -0500 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: cschelin@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike Show this weekend X-AOL-IP: 12.36.128.140 In a message dated 1/5/2004 1:35:01 PM Eastern Standard Time, cschelin@XXXXXX writes: > > > On Mon, 2004-01-05 at 13:29, Paul Wilson wrote: > > If lunch is at Hooter's I'll have to pass. I'll prolly be attending the > > show with the wife and I'm sure she would like a different lunch place. The > > show itself will be a tough enough sell, without Hooter's on top of that. > > :) I'll be there on Saturday, unless the weather's nice. Looks like more > > "seasonable" temperatures for the next week or so. > > > > Yea good thought. Rita has suggested we go to Hooters a couple of times. > I've never been there myself. > > As far as meeting places, I'm pretty easy. Is there > another, more family > friendly place we could meet? (smoke free preferably.) > > Carl Hooters is actually a great place to eat. I think their food is pretty good. As for the scenery, to each his/her own. ;-) Not sure what other restaurants are available in the Center as I've only been there once and they weren't all setup yet. Scooter From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 5 13:49:04 2004 Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 13:48:44 -0500 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: cschelin@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike Show this weekend X-AOL-IP: 12.36.128.140 In a message dated 1/5/2004 1:35:01 PM Eastern Standard Time, cschelin@XXXXXX writes: > > > On Mon, 2004-01-05 at 13:29, Paul Wilson wrote: > > If lunch is at Hooter's I'll have to pass. I'll prolly be attending the > > show with the wife and I'm sure she would like a different lunch place. The > > show itself will be a tough enough sell, without Hooter's on top of that. > > :) I'll be there on Saturday, unless the weather's nice. Looks like more > > "seasonable" temperatures for the next week or so. > > > > Yea good thought. Rita has suggested we go to Hooters a couple of times. > I've never been there myself. > > As far as meeting places, I'm pretty easy. Is there > another, more family > friendly place we could meet? (smoke free preferably.) > > Carl Hooters is actually a great place to eat. I think their food is pretty good. As for the scenery, to each his/her own. ;-) Not sure what other restaurants are available in the Center as I've only been there once and they weren't all setup yet. Scooter From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 5 14:01:32 2004 Subject: RE: Bike Show this weekend Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 14:02:40 -0500 From: "Julian Halton" To: "Paul Wilson" , , "dc-cycles list" I don't know the exact location of the convention center but Austin Grill on g street?? Good food, great margaritas and with all respect Hooters is family friendly...especially in DC. I always see families at least at the one in B more...however the food bites so how about Austin grill? -----Original Message----- From: Paul Wilson [mailto:pawilson@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 1:29 PM To: Julian Halton; ScooterFZR@XXXXXX; dc-cycles list Subject: Re: Bike Show this weekend If lunch is at Hooter's I'll have to pass. I'll prolly be attending the show with the wife and I'm sure she would like a different lunch place. The show itself will be a tough enough sell, without Hooter's on top of that. :) I'll be there on Saturday, unless the weather's nice. Looks like more "seasonable" temperatures for the next week or so. Paul in DC, who didn't have time to ride the motos this weekend--dammit--but did ride the pedal bike, in shorts, in January. :) 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - www.wilsonline.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Julian Halton" > > Guys... > > I want to go early as I have to bartend Saturday night but I would be > definitely amenable to dropping into Hooter's to say hello. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 5 14:43:43 2004 Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 14:43:34 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Bike Show this weekend I mentioned Hooters only because it is one block from the old and new convention centers, and they have good wings and cold beer. The new one is up 9th street just past I. $7 daily parking is 2 blocks down I, or $12 at the center. At 01:29 PM 1/5/2004, Paul Wilson wrote: >If lunch is at Hooter's I'll have to pass. I'll prolly be attending the >show with the wife and I'm sure she would like a different lunch place. The >show itself will be a tough enough sell, without Hooter's on top of that. >:) I'll be there on Saturday, unless the weather's nice. Looks like more >"seasonable" temperatures for the next week or so. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 5 14:53:26 2004 Subject: RE: Bike Show this weekend Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 14:53:18 -0500 From: "Verde, Robert" To: "Carl Schelin" , I'll second (third?) the request for an alternate meeting place, ditto for the smoke-free. Also attending with SO, and Hotter's doesn't look like an easy sell... ;-) Robert -----Original Message----- From: Carl Schelin [mailto:cschelin@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 1:35 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike Show this weekend On Mon, 2004-01-05 at 13:29, Paul Wilson wrote: > If lunch is at Hooter's I'll have to pass. I'll prolly be attending the > show with the wife and I'm sure she would like a different lunch place. The > show itself will be a tough enough sell, without Hooter's on top of that. > :) I'll be there on Saturday, unless the weather's nice. Looks like more > "seasonable" temperatures for the next week or so. > Yea good thought. Rita has suggested we go to Hooters a couple of times. I've never been there myself. As far as meeting places, I'm pretty easy. Is there another, more family friendly place we could meet? (smoke free preferably.) Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 5 15:05:55 2004 Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 12:05:41 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: Bike Show this weekend To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX who let all the whining non-smokers in? i thought this was a biker club.... --- "Verde, Robert" wrote: > I'll second (third?) the request for an alternate meeting > place, ditto for the smoke-free. Also attending with SO, > and Hotter's doesn't look like an easy sell... ;-) > > Robert > > -----Original Message----- > From: Carl Schelin [mailto:cschelin@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 1:35 PM > > As far as meeting places, I'm pretty easy. Is there > another, more family > friendly place we could meet? (smoke free preferably.) > > Carl __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Find out what made the Top Yahoo! Searches of 2003 http://search.yahoo.com/top2003 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 5 15:08:21 2004 Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 15:09:44 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: RE: Bike Show this weekend At 12:05 PM 1/5/04 -0800, Tom Gimer wrote: >who let all the whining non-smokers in? i thought this was >a biker club.... 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No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 5 15:09:09 2004 Subject: RE: Bike Show this weekend Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 15:09:01 -0500 From: "Verde, Robert" To: "Tom Gimer" , Dunno about the "smoking" requirement, but this sure feels like "flame" to me.... ;-) -----Original Message----- From: Tom Gimer [mailto:t_gimer@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 3:06 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Bike Show this weekend who let all the whining non-smokers in? i thought this was a biker club.... --- "Verde, Robert" wrote: > I'll second (third?) the request for an alternate meeting > place, ditto for the smoke-free. Also attending with SO, > and Hotter's doesn't look like an easy sell... ;-) > > Robert > > -----Original Message----- > From: Carl Schelin [mailto:cschelin@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 1:35 PM > > As far as meeting places, I'm pretty easy. Is there > another, more family > friendly place we could meet? (smoke free preferably.) > > Carl __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Find out what made the Top Yahoo! Searches of 2003 http://search.yahoo.com/top2003 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 5 15:09:13 2004 Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 15:08:55 -0500 (EST) From: "Daniel H. Brown" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Bike Show this weekend On Mon, 5 Jan 2004, Tom Gimer wrote: > > who let all the whining non-smokers in? i thought this was > a biker club.... It was a requisite for letting lawyers in. -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 5 15:18:18 2004 Subject: RE: Bike Show this weekend From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 05 Jan 2004 15:14:44 -0500 On Mon, 2004-01-05 at 15:05, Tom Gimer wrote: > who let all the whining non-smokers in? i thought this was > a biker club.... > Wait, I thought sportbikers were single clean-cut hooligans who drank imported beers and hung out at sport bars or in Georgetown and the harley guys were chain-smoking beer-drinking womanizers who hung out at bars and told their women "We're going to Hooters and you're going to enter the wet t-shirt contest *grunt*". I figured that if I was going to hang out with the sport biker crowd, which is the majority membership (from all evidence) of dc-sportbikers... I mean, dc-cycles, I should take on some of their mannerisms. Was I mistaken? Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 5 15:34:40 2004 Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 12:34:37 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: RE: Bike Show this weekend To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I'm not sure where the lunch will be, or if I will have someone to bring along, or even which bike I'll be riding, but when all this gets decided, I do plan on going to the bike show and meeting a few of you for lunch. I did memorize the challenge and will be able to recognize either of the designated responses. Leon. > Tom Gimer wrote: > > who let all the whining non-smokers in? i thought > this was > > a biker club.... > > --- Carl Schelin wrote: > > Wait, I thought sportbikers were single clean-cut > hooligans who drank > imported beers and hung out at sport bars or in > Georgetown and the > harley guys were chain-smoking beer-drinking > womanizers who hung out at > bars and told their women "We're going to Hooters > and you're going to > enter the wet t-shirt contest *grunt*". > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 5 15:40:31 2004 Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 12:40:24 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: Bike Show this weekend To: "Daniel H. Brown" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- "Daniel H. Brown" wrote: > On Mon, 5 Jan 2004, Tom Gimer wrote: > > > > who let all the whining non-smokers in? i thought this > was > > a biker club.... > > It was a requisite for letting lawyers in. surely you pressed "send" too quickly. is this all you could muster up? please give another try at making sense out of this. -- tg (admitted to dcc prior to becoming an attorney) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Find out what made the Top Yahoo! Searches of 2003 http://search.yahoo.com/top2003 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 5 15:42:41 2004 Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 15:40:06 -0500 From: Laura Roach To: Carl Schelin CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike Show this weekend Will someone post the final plans in a new thread once they are agreed upon? We're going crazy getting ready to put our house on the market Friday, but we're probably going to the bike show this weekend and would love to catch up with everyone...Troutman, can I put you in charge of this? :) I know you'll actually follow through if you say you'll do it. ;) Laura From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 5 15:50:11 2004 Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 15:49:58 -0500 (EST) From: "Daniel H. Brown" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Bike Show this weekend On Mon, 5 Jan 2004, Tom Gimer wrote: > Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 12:40:24 -0800 (PST) > From: Tom Gimer > To: "Daniel H. Brown" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Bike Show this weekend > > --- "Daniel H. Brown" wrote: > > On Mon, 5 Jan 2004, Tom Gimer wrote: > > > > > > who let all the whining non-smokers in? i thought this > > was > > > a biker club.... > > > > It was a requisite for letting lawyers in. > > surely you pressed "send" too quickly. is this all you > could muster up? please give another try at making sense > out of this. > I'm, sorry, how 'bout... it was a requisite for allowing the whining lawyers to stay. As far as places to meet -- Last I checked there was at least one brewpub type of joint near each of the convention centers -- Capital City brewing near the old one and Chophouse and Gordon Biersch near the new place. Gordon Biersch would get my vote (if we're taking one) for the Garlic Fries alone. -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 5 16:03:18 2004 Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 15:59:16 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Bike Show this weekend At 03:40 PM 1/5/2004, Laura Roach wrote: >Troutman, can I put you in charge of this? :) I know you'll actually >follow through if you say you'll do it. ;) No. I get itchy when responsible for anything. However, here is a list of restaurants close to the convention center (located between 7th and 9th North of Mount Vernon Sq. http://www.troutman.org/Images/wccrest.jpg I haven't eaten at any of these, and Hooters isn't even on the list. Generic American food and beer garden sounds fine by me. I'll probably be riding in - are there any free bike parking areas nearby? The closest I know of is many many blocks West. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 5 16:03:34 2004 Subject: RE: Bike Show this weekend From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 05 Jan 2004 16:00:00 -0500 On Mon, 2004-01-05 at 15:49, Daniel H. Brown wrote: > As far as places to meet -- Last I checked there was at least one > brewpub type of joint near each of the convention centers -- Capital > City brewing near the old one and Chophouse and Gordon Biersch near > the new place. Gordon Biersch would get my vote (if we're taking one) > for the Garlic Fries alone. > Streets & Trips shows numerous restaurants etc within a block or two of the convention center. Of course we'd be close to Chinatown and Tony Cheng's Mongolian but Rita's tired of Tony :-) Hooters doesn't show up on S&T though :-) > > -- > Dan Brown > brown@XXXXXX > Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 5 16:07:51 2004 Subject: RE: Bike Show this weekend Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 16:09:01 -0500 From: "Julian Halton" To: "Troutman" , My thoughts .. I agreed to Hooter's and will agree to most anything. I do not smoke and have a very attractive girlfriend but the day she is uncomfortable with me going to Hooters, a strip club or anything like that is the day I show her the door. I do understand the pressures SO's can place to bear however..I find Hooter's family friendly. Nevertheless that was only one option so I suggest Austin Grill...great food cheap.. I will be there for lunch and if no one feels like showing up I will be sure to be at the Yamaha display at 2:00 PM. You can't miss me..6'1 shaven head goatee in a red and black fieldsheer jacket with a big grin on my face. Looking forward to it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 5 16:13:26 2004 From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike Show this weekend Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 16:12:16 -0500 Other than Scooter's garage, I am not aware of any motorcycle friendly parking within 7-8 blocks of the old Convention center. I doubt it is much different for the new. Perry >From: Troutman >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Bike Show this weekend >Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 15:59:16 -0500 > >At 03:40 PM 1/5/2004, Laura Roach wrote: >>Troutman, can I put you in charge of this? :) I know you'll actually >>follow through if you say you'll do it. ;) > >No. I get itchy when responsible for anything. However, here is a list of >restaurants close to the convention center (located between 7th and 9th >North of Mount Vernon Sq. > >http://www.troutman.org/Images/wccrest.jpg > >I haven't eaten at any of these, and Hooters isn't even on the list. >Generic American food and beer garden sounds fine by me. I'll probably be >riding in - are there any free bike parking areas nearby? The closest I >know of is many many blocks West. > > > >___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > 1997 Honda VFR 750 > AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ > NMA http://www.motorists.org > > > _________________________________________________________________ Tired of slow downloads? Compare online deals from your local high-speed providers now. https://broadband.msn.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 5 16:20:12 2004 Subject: Re: Bike Show this weekend From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 05 Jan 2004 16:16:37 -0500 On Mon, 2004-01-05 at 15:59, Troutman wrote: > I'll > probably be riding in - are there any free bike parking areas nearby? The > closest I know of is many many blocks West. > I'll be riding as well and will likely park at my regular work parking space since I enjoy walking and don't enjoy packs; cars or bikes. I expect there'll be lots of bikes and cars close by anyway. Perhaps parking West (or East) of the convention center would be a good idea anyway :-) Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 5 16:23:40 2004 Reply-To: "Jon Strang" From: "Jon Strang" To: Subject: Re: Retread of first bike question Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 16:23:31 -0500 NEWS FLASH! (just kidding Leon, but somehow I knew you'd pick that up). --jon p.s. Thanks again for the circles! ----- "Leon Begeman" wrote: > Although you say you've already ruled out the Ninja > 250; I think it's a pretty decent bike. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 5 16:24:30 2004 Subject: RE: Bike Show this weekend Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 16:25:41 -0500 From: "Julian Halton" To: "Julian Halton" , "Troutman" , PS.. I do not mean to come across as rude or impetuous. I believe I am neither. I just realize that trying to please everyone will be difficult I will aim to have lunch at 11:30AM and I think the grill provides ample space, a wide menu range and great margaritas. -----Original Message----- From: Julian Halton [mailto:julian@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 4:09 PM To: Troutman; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Bike Show this weekend My thoughts .. I agreed to Hooter's and will agree to most anything. I do not smoke and have a very attractive girlfriend but the day she is uncomfortable with me going to Hooters, a strip club or anything like that is the day I show her the door. I do understand the pressures SO's can place to bear however..I find Hooter's family friendly. Nevertheless that was only one option so I suggest Austin Grill...great food cheap.. I will be there for lunch and if no one feels like showing up I will be sure to be at the Yamaha display at 2:00 PM. You can't miss me..6'1 shaven head goatee in a red and black fieldsheer jacket with a big grin on my face. Looking forward to it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 5 16:29:27 2004 Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 16:28:56 -0500 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: Robert.Verde@XXXXXX, cschelin@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike Show this weekend X-AOL-IP: 12.36.128.140 Here's a list of close by restaurants courtesy of the DC Convention Centers website: http://www.dcconvention.com/attendees/restaurants.asp I have no problem with meeting at any of them. Although my recommendation would be the District Chophouse. :-) Scooter In a message dated 1/5/2004 2:53:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, Robert.Verde@XXXXXX writes: > > > I'll second (third?) the request for an alternate meeting place, ditto for the smoke-free. Also attending with SO, and Hotter's doesn't look like an easy sell... ;-) > > Robert > > -----Original Message----- > From: Carl Schelin [mailto:cschelin@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 1:35 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Bike Show this weekend > > > On Mon, 2004-01-05 at 13:29, Paul Wilson wrote: > > If lunch is at Hooter's I'll have to pass. I'll prolly be attending the > > show with the wife and I'm sure she would like a different lunch place. The > > show itself will be a tough enough sell, without Hooter's on top of that. > > :) I'll be there on Saturday, unless the weather's nice. Looks like more > > "seasonable" temperatures for the next week or so. > > > > Yea good thought. Rita has suggested we go to Hooters a couple of times. > I've never been there myself. > > As far as meeting places, I'm pretty easy. Is there > another, more family > friendly place we could meet? (smoke free preferably.) > > Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 5 16:31:39 2004 Subject: RE: Bike Show this weekend From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 05 Jan 2004 16:28:05 -0500 On Mon, 2004-01-05 at 16:25, Julian Halton wrote: > PS.. I do not mean to come across as rude or impetuous. I believe I am > neither. I just realize that trying to please everyone will be difficult > I will aim to have lunch at 11:30AM and I think the grill provides ample > space, a wide menu range and great margaritas. Bah. Maybe that's what's needed. A little rudeness from time to time. I don't know from Margaritas, but I don't have a problem settling for Austin Grill. As long as they have food, I'll be happy. Get a bigger table. We'll be there. Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 5 16:37:31 2004 Reply-To: "S. Russell" From: "S. Russell" To: , "Troutman" Subject: Re: Bike Show this weekend Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 16:36:01 -0500 where do you get these DC Cycles shirts? I talked about it at one point and no one said anything. I was thinking if people wanted some to get them made up with a couple of the prints already made up on the web page. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "Troutman" To: Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 11:12 AM Subject: Re: Bike Show this weekend > At 10:59 AM 1/5/2004, ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > >Well, since I live about 3 blocks from the new Convention Center, I plan > >on attending the show this weekend. Probably go on Saturday but, might > >swing by Sunday also. :-) One of the many Carl's on the list suggested a > >lunch time gathering. I think I can manage that. I'll probably be > >wearing my red R6 textile jacket and maybe even my DC Cycles > >t-shirt. Cowboy hat optional. :-) > > I'll be there Saturday as well. For the car show, Hooters made a > convenient meeting place. I will probably do that again around 11:30am > Saturday. DC-Cycles shirt on as usual. > > > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > 1997 Honda VFR 750 > AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ > NMA http://www.motorists.org > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 5 16:45:20 2004 Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 16:44:57 -0500 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: perrycoleman@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike Show this weekend X-AOL-IP: 12.36.128.140 Troutman opened the Barn Door a crack and Perry swung it wide open. :-) There are two (2) empty designated parking spaces in my buildings garage that I'm sure someone can "borrow" for the day. There are probably a couple nooks and crannys that a bike can squeeze into also. However, if I'm not there to let you in, you're outta luck. :-) Getting out is easy. So, unless someone asks to park there, we set up a time to meet and the asking party shows up on time, and maybe buys me a drink, I don't think it will work too well. :-) I might even be kind and take my cell phone along if someone asks and they can call me to let them in. But, that might cost 2 drinks. hehe Scooter In a message dated 1/5/2004 4:12:16 PM Eastern Standard Time, perrycoleman@XXXXXX writes: > > > Other than Scooter's garage, I am not aware of any motorcycle friendly > parking within 7-8 blocks of the old Convention center. I doubt it is much > different for the new. > > Perry > > >From: Troutman > >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >Subject: Re: Bike Show this weekend > >Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 15:59:16 -0500 > > > >At 03:40 PM 1/5/2004, Laura Roach wrote: > >>Troutman, can I put you in charge of this? :) I know you'll actually > >>follow through if you say you'll do it. ;) > > > >No. I get itchy when responsible for anything. However, here is a list of > >restaurants close to the convention center (located between 7th and 9th > >North of Mount Vernon Sq. > > > >http://www.troutman.org/Images/wccrest.jpg > > > >I haven't eaten at any of these, and Hooters isn't even on the list. > >Generic American food and beer garden sounds fine by me. I'll probably be > >riding in - are there any free bike parking areas nearby? The closest I > >know of is many many blocks West. > > > > > > > >___________________________________________ > > Mike Troutman From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 5 16:48:47 2004 Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 16:48:41 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Austin Grill or Hooters at 11:30am Saturday Pick your restaurant, two lines forming to the left. I'll be at Hooters on 9th and I - it is closer to the parking, Metro and WCC. I am 6'1", shaved head and will probably be in a First Gear jacket at the bar. I trust the Roach family will come find me. The other group will meet at the Austin Grille at the same time .... 750 E Street. The two groups can meet at the WCC "Foggy Bottom Grille" snack stand in Exhibit Hall A at 12:45pm or again at the Yamaha display at 2pm. If I can find my black dc-cycles shirt I will have it on. It is supposed to be butt cold Friday though, so the T-shirt will probably have a sweatshirt over it. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 5 17:01:00 2004 Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 17:00:23 -0500 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: psycleman@XXXXXX ("S. Russell"), dc-cycles@XXXXXX, mike@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike Show this weekend X-AOL-IP: 12.36.128.140 About 3, maybe 4, years ago we had a design contest on the website. That's probably what you're seeing. We chose a winner and had some t-shirts made up. It wasn't very many and we've never had it done since but, they turned out pretty nice. I forget who actually had them made but, it would be nice to get some more made up. There's a guy on one of my other lists who's been designing us new shirts every year since 1998. He does great work and we usually order long and short sleeve shirts. I can ask him if he could come up with a design for us and how much it would be. He would need a minimum order though. Scooter In a message dated 1/5/2004 4:36:01 PM Eastern Standard Time, psycleman@XXXXXX writes: > > > where do you get these DC Cycles shirts? I talked about it at one point and > no one said anything. > > I was thinking if people wanted some to get them made up with a couple of > the prints already made up on the web page. > > Scott From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 5 17:08:33 2004 Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 17:08:21 -0500 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: mike@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Austin Grill or Hooters at 11:30am Saturday X-AOL-IP: 65.86.98.162 Hooters - Saturday - 11:30am, I'll be there. :-) Closer and I love their fish sandwiches. ;-) Once more, red R6 jacket, DC Cycles t-shirt (might have an Under Armor shirt on underneath though if it's "butt cold" =8-0), glases and a cowboy hat. See ya'll there. Scooter In a message dated 1/5/2004 4:48:41 PM Eastern Standard Time, mike@XXXXXX writes: > > > Pick your restaurant, two lines forming to the left. I'll be at Hooters on > 9th and I - it is closer to the parking, Metro and WCC. I am 6'1", shaved > head and will probably be in a First Gear jacket at the bar. I trust the > Roach family will come find me. The other group will meet at the Austin > Grille at the same time .... 750 E Street. > > The two groups can meet at the WCC "Foggy Bottom Grille" snack stand in > Exhibit Hall A at 12:45pm or again at the Yamaha display at 2pm. > > If I can find my black dc-cycles shirt I will have it on. It is supposed > to be butt cold Friday though, so the T-shirt will probably > have a > sweatshirt over it. > > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > 1997 Honda VFR 750 > AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ > NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 5 18:44:39 2004 Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 18:42:03 -0500 From: Laura Roach To: Troutman CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Austin Grill or Hooters at 11:30am Saturday > I trust the Roach family will come find me. Hopefully we will! House goes on the market on Friday and if our neighbors can watch Rocky while we're gone, we'll be there...something about leaving a rottweiller in the house while people are visiting and we're not home doesn't seem smart. :) LAR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 5 22:18:24 2004 From: "Rob Sharp" To: "Verde, Robert" , Subject: Re: Retread of first bike question Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 22:19:07 -0500 Honda Hawk GT. It's a great, bike. Might be hard to get one, but who knows. I just sold mine and picked up an '96 Honda Interceptor. Honda RULES! Rob On Mon, 5 Jan 2004 12:14:16 -0500, Verde, Robert wrote > Although I've saved most of the mail from the last round of Q&A, I'd > be interested in the list comments; > > I'm looking to buy a bike for a friend. I will admit I'm biased, as > I ride the greatest bike made, the Honda Interceptor, and I think > everyone should own one, but... perhaps not for a first bike. I'm > also biased towards a sport bike is a great first bike, as > dependable (read: accurate) handling is key to making the riding > experience attractive. > > Criteria: > > 1. Little or no bodywork, for that inevitable dropping incident. > > 2. Cheap (-ish) for the above reason, and because I'm not made of money. > > 3. New (-ish), because I think new tech makes for a more forgiving > ride, all things considered. Good dependable brakes are a must. > 4. Sport bike, but not as cutting edge as a R6. Rider is not inseam- > challenged, but probably not a Kaw KLR650. > 5. 400-600 cc range, or thereabouts. The Ninja 250 is pretty small, > and I'm not specifically looking for the 600cc spec-racer class > bikes. > > I've been leaning towards the Suzuki SV650, but prices, even on used > bikes, approach those for used VFRs. CAD Cycles has a salvage > titled one (?!!) for 4099, which isn't too far from new pricing. > There are a few on E-Bay, but I'd prefer to buy locally (local to > include Delaware/PA/WV/MD). > > Also been looking at the Honda Reflex maxi-scooter, but I'm not sold > on the concept, even if it's great for commuting. > > Feedback? Can be offline, as this is certainly a retread thread. > > Robert -- Rob Sharp 1996 Honda VFR 750 2003 Chevy S10 Xtreme SSCP/CCSP/CCNA 2.0/CCSA Network Security Engineer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 6 07:35:03 2004 Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 07:31:26 -0500 From: Tom To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Austin Grill or Hooters at 11:30am Saturday Troutman wrote: > Pick your restaurant, two lines forming to the left. I'll be at > Hooters on 9th and I - it is closer to the parking, Metro and WCC. I > am 6'1", shaved head and will probably be in a First Gear jacket at > the bar. I trust the Roach family will come find me. The other group > will meet at the Austin Grille at the same time .... 750 E Street. > > The two groups can meet at the WCC "Foggy Bottom Grille" snack stand > in Exhibit Hall A at 12:45pm or again at the Yamaha display at 2pm. > > If I can find my black dc-cycles shirt I will have it on. It is > supposed to be butt cold Friday though, so the T-shirt will probably > have a sweatshirt over it. Two meeting places seems like a good idea, as I'm not sure when I'll get there. Sure would like to meet some listers tho. If I ride (might bring the boys), I'll be in a red JoeRocket Metor jacket, stand 5'8", 165lbs, brown hair.... umm, I guess I won't stand out much. I'll look for other listers :) Hope to see alot of you there, Tom de '98 VTR > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > 1997 Honda VFR 750 > AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ > NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 6 09:42:50 2004 Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 09:42:39 -0500 To: From: Troutman Subject: Re: Bike Show this weekend In December of '98 we had them made after a logo contest. http://www.dccycles.com/arch/98/12/dec00421 I have no interest in buying another black t-shirt, but if we run another logo contest I'll set up a cafe press shop for dc-cycles and you can order what you like. At 04:38 PM 1/5/2004, S. Russell wrote: >where do you get these DC Cycles shirts? I talked about it at one point and >no one said anything. > >I was thinking if people wanted some to get them made up with a couple of >the prints already made up on the web page. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 6 09:52:18 2004 Reply-To: "S. Russell" From: "S. Russell" To: , "Troutman" Subject: Re: Bike Show this weekend Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 09:51:14 -0500 If people want, I will get shirts priced again. I like logo 8 on front and logo 11 on the back. http://www.dc-cycles.org/logo.html I have a great printer in the area, does great work. Your input is welcome, white shirt or black, get both long and short sleeves. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "Troutman" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 9:42 AM Subject: Re: Bike Show this weekend > In December of '98 we had them made after a logo contest. > > http://www.dccycles.com/arch/98/12/dec00421 > > I have no interest in buying another black t-shirt, but if we run another > logo contest I'll set up a cafe press shop for dc-cycles and you can order > what you like. > > At 04:38 PM 1/5/2004, S. Russell wrote: > >where do you get these DC Cycles shirts? I talked about it at one point and > >no one said anything. > > > >I was thinking if people wanted some to get them made up with a couple of > >the prints already made up on the web page. > > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > 1997 Honda VFR 750 > AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ > NMA http://www.motorists.org > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 6 10:08:58 2004 Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 10:08:51 -0500 To: From: Troutman Subject: DCC T-Shirt shop (was Re: Bike Show) Here is a DC Cycles cafe press shop if only a few people are interested. They don't do black Ts, but they have some cool new products (license plate frames, stickers, etc) http://www.cafeshops.com/dccycles At 09:51 AM 1/6/2004, S. Russell wrote: >If people want, I will get shirts priced again. I like logo 8 on front and >logo 11 on the back. > >http://www.dc-cycles.org/logo.html ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 6 10:55:16 2004 Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 10:55:32 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: DC-Cycles logos (was: Re: Bike Show this weekend) At 09:51 AM 1/6/04 -0500, S. Russell wrote: >If people want, I will get shirts priced again. I like logo 8 on front and >logo 11 on the back. > >http://www.dc-cycles.org/logo.html If Logo #10 was a bit more detailed it might solve the "map pocket" issue... :^) There are some nice designs there. Very creative. -- Mike B. **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 6 11:32:23 2004 From: "Rob Sharp" To: Mike Bartman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: DC-Cycles logos (was: Re: Bike Show this weekend) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 11:33:08 -0500 Most of them are way to colorful for a t-shirt and any screen printing. Rob On Tue, 06 Jan 2004 10:55:32 -0500, Mike Bartman wrote > At 09:51 AM 1/6/04 -0500, S. Russell wrote: > >If people want, I will get shirts priced again. I like logo 8 on front and > >logo 11 on the back. > > > >http://www.dc-cycles.org/logo.html > > If Logo #10 was a bit more detailed it might solve the "map pocket" > issue... :^) > > There are some nice designs there. Very creative. > > -- Mike B. > > **************************************************************************** > * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation > Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled > Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options > Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *------------------------------ > --------------------------------------------* * "We do it > all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** -- Rob Sharp 1996 Honda VFR 750 2003 Chevy S10 Xtreme SSCP/CCSP/CCNA 2.0/CCSA Network Security Engineer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 6 12:51:18 2004 Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 12:50:58 -0500 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: psycleman@XXXXXX ("S. Russell"), dc-cycles@XXXXXX, mike@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike Show this weekend X-AOL-IP: 12.36.128.140 OK. I'd be interested in either color shirt. Both long and short sleeve. Your logo choices are good. The original shirts had logo #1b on the front. I think logo 8 (front) and 1b (back) would look good also. Especially on black shirts. Keep us posted. Scooter In a message dated 1/6/2004 9:51:14 AM Eastern Standard Time, psycleman@XXXXXX writes: > > > If people want, I will get shirts priced again. I like logo 8 on front and > logo 11 on the back. > > http://www.dc-cycles.org/logo.html > > I have a great printer in the area, does great work. Your input is welcome, > white shirt or black, get both long and short sleeves. > > Scott > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Troutman" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 9:42 AM > Subject: Re: Bike Show this weekend > > > > In December of '98 we had them made after a logo contest. > > > > http://www.dccycles.com/arch/98/12/dec00421 > > > > I have no interest in buying another black t-shirt, but if we run another > > logo contest I'll set up a cafe press shop for dc-cycles and you can order > > what you like. > > > > At 04:38 PM 1/5/2004, S. Russell wrote: > > >where do you get these DC Cycles shirts? I talked about it at one point > and > > >no one said anything. > > > > > >I was thinking if people wanted some to get them made up > with a couple of > > >the prints already made up on the web page. > > > > > > ___________________________________________ > > Mike Troutman From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 6 12:59:30 2004 Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 12:59:21 -0500 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: mike@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: DCC T-Shirt shop (was Re: Bike Show) X-AOL-IP: 12.36.128.140 OK, that's pretty cool. How'd you do it? :-) Anyway, could you add the logo choices like Scott Russell suggested? Logo 8 on the front and either logo 1b or 11 on the back? That way we would have a variety to pick from. :-) I think the baseball shirt would look good with logo 8 on the front and logo 1b on the back. But, that's just my preference. :-) Scooter In a message dated 1/6/2004 10:08:51 AM Eastern Standard Time, mike@XXXXXX writes: > > > Here is a DC Cycles cafe press shop if only a few people are > interested. They don't do black Ts, but they have some cool new products > (license plate frames, stickers, etc) > > http://www.cafeshops.com/dccycles > > At 09:51 AM 1/6/2004, S. Russell wrote: > >If people want, I will get shirts priced again. I like > logo 8 on front and > >logo 11 on the back. > > > >http://www.dc-cycles.org/logo.html > > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > 1997 Honda VFR 750 > AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ > NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 6 13:08:11 2004 Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 13:07:28 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, ScooterFZR@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: DCC T-Shirt shop (was Re: Bike Show) Done. http://www.cafeshops.com/dccycles.9245866 Anyone can create a cafepress store. I already had three others (one defunct). Speaking of which, anyone want any VFR merchandise? http://www.cafeshops.com/mtvfr At 12:59 PM 1/6/2004, ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: >OK, that's pretty cool. How'd you do it? :-) Anyway, could you add the >logo choices like Scott Russell suggested? Logo 8 on the front and either >logo 1b or 11 on the back? That way we would have a variety to pick >from. :-) I think the baseball shirt would look good with logo 8 on the >front and logo 1b on the back. But, that's just my preference. :-) ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org Support Legislation requiring Voter-Verified Paper Trail for 2004 Elections http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/348035553 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 6 14:01:52 2004 Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 14:01:28 -0500 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: mike@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: DCC T-Shirt shop (was Re: Bike Show) X-AOL-IP: 12.36.128.140 Cool. But....I was thinking more along the lines of a small pocket logo on the front and then the larger one on the back. I know, I'm picky. :-) So, here's what I'm interested in: Long sleeve t-shirt with logo 8 small pocket on the front and logo 1b (black DC with the biker in the middle) on the back. Same in a t-shirt, baseball shirt and possibly sweatshirt. If you would be so kind as to add those designs, I would appreciate it. ;-) Can we customise this thing ourselves? You know, you give us the options and we mix and match? Scooter In a message dated 1/6/2004 1:07:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, mike@XXXXXX writes: > > > Done. http://www.cafeshops.com/dccycles.9245866 > > Anyone can create a cafepress store. I already had three others (one > defunct). Speaking of which, anyone want any VFR > merchandise? http://www.cafeshops.com/mtvfr > > At 12:59 PM 1/6/2004, ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > >OK, that's pretty cool. How'd you do it? :-) Anyway, could you add the > >logo choices like Scott Russell suggested? Logo 8 on the front and either > >logo 1b or 11 on the back? That way we would have a variety to pick > >from. :-) I think the baseball shirt would look good with logo 8 on the > >front and logo 1b on the back. But, that's just my preference. :-) > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org > > Support Legislation requiring Voter-Verified Paper > Trail for 2004 > Elections > http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/348035553 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 6 14:22:19 2004 Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 14:22:15 -0500 To: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: DCC T-Shirt shop (was Re: Bike Show) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX As you wish sire. http://www.cafeshops.com/dccycles.9247851 If you don't like this one, take it off list to me directly. I added a bunch of other products with logos on them, and ordered 10 of them for myself. I don't remember who did logos 1b or 11, but I always liked 11. 7, 8 and 9 are mine but I know a lot more about photoshop and design now ;-) At 02:01 PM 1/6/2004, ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: >Long sleeve t-shirt with logo 8 small pocket on the front and logo 1b >(black DC with the biker in the middle) on the back. >Same in a t-shirt, baseball shirt and possibly sweatshirt. > >If you would be so kind as to add those designs, I would appreciate it. ;-) ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 6 14:59:57 2004 From: "Rob Sharp" To: Troutman , ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: DC-Cycle Factions (was Re: DCC T-Shirt shop (was Re: Bike Show)) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 15:00:34 -0500 Whats gonna be funny is when their are 26 different versions of the DC-Cycle t-shirt floating around. Isn't the point of a logo, is there is just a single one for an entire group. We could start up like DC-Cycle factions. I call Protestant DC-Cycles. Rob On Tue, 06 Jan 2004 14:22:15 -0500, Troutman wrote > As you wish sire. http://www.cafeshops.com/dccycles.9247851 > > If you don't like this one, take it off list to me directly. I > added a bunch of other products with logos on them, and ordered 10 > of them for myself. I don't remember who did logos 1b or 11, but I > always liked > 11. 7, 8 and 9 are mine but I know a lot more about photoshop and > design now ;-) > > At 02:01 PM 1/6/2004, ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > >Long sleeve t-shirt with logo 8 small pocket on the front and logo 1b > >(black DC with the biker in the middle) on the back. > >Same in a t-shirt, baseball shirt and possibly sweatshirt. > > > >If you would be so kind as to add those designs, I would appreciate it. ;-) > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > 1997 Honda VFR 750 > AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ > NMA http://www.motorists.org -- Rob Sharp 1996 Honda VFR 750 2003 Chevy S10 Xtreme SSCP/CCSP/CCNA 2.0/CCSA Network Security Engineer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 6 15:05:54 2004 Subject: RE: DC-Cycle Factions (was Re: DCC T-Shirt shop (was Re: Bike Show)) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 15:05:42 -0500 From: "Verde, Robert" To: Pretty basic to small-group dynamics. We all put up with each other because we all enjoy motorcycling. Outside of that, we annoy the crap out of each other with our various hobbies, interests, and political views. Still, getting a customized DC Cycles t-shirt, like an OCC chopper, would be a fine thing. Robert - Mark me down as a Protestant as well... ;-) -----Original Message----- From: Rob Sharp [mailto:rob@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 3:01 PM To: Troutman; ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: DC-Cycle Factions (was Re: DCC T-Shirt shop (was Re: Bike Show)) Whats gonna be funny is when their are 26 different versions of the DC-Cycle t-shirt floating around. Isn't the point of a logo, is there is just a single one for an entire group. We could start up like DC-Cycle factions. I call Protestant DC-Cycles. Rob From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 6 15:19:32 2004 Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 15:17:09 -0500 To: "Rob Sharp" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: DC-Cycles logos (was: Re: Bike Show this weekend) Very true...four color screen printing is expensive. On the other hand, ink-jet printing to a T-shirt transfer isn't all that expensive...and you get full color photo level printing that way. I've added doing that to my ToDo list...but I'm not hopeful that it will bubble to the top any time soon. :^) -- Mike B. At 11:33 AM 1/6/04 -0500, Rob Sharp wrote: >Most of them are way to colorful for a t-shirt and any screen printing. > >Rob > >On Tue, 06 Jan 2004 10:55:32 -0500, Mike Bartman wrote >> There are some nice designs there. Very creative. **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 6 15:36:06 2004 From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Electric garb not allowed on flight? Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 15:35:54 -0500 Hmmm... interesting story. I wonder if she is a biker? http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=578&e=3&u=/nm/20040106/ts_nm/security_aviation_flight_dc I guess the moral is to not wear electric clothing onto an airplane... Perry _________________________________________________________________ Have fun customizing MSN Messenger ^[)BM-^W learn how here! http://www.msnmessenger-download.com/tracking/reach_customize From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 6 15:52:55 2004 Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 15:52:45 -0500 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: DC-Cycle Factions (was Re: DCC T-Shirt shop (was Re: Bike Show)) X-AOL-IP: 12.36.128.140 I call the Aethist or Druid Faction. If those are taken, I'll take the Dyslexic Faction. "Yes, I believe in Dog." ;-) And about the logo. When we voted a couple years ago, we chose 1b as our logo and that's what we had printed on our shirts. However, we're not a corporation so, I think as long as the design has DC Cycles in it somewhere that it is fine. Just MHO. Scooter In a message dated 1/6/2004 3:00:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, rob@XXXXXX writes: > > > Whats gonna be funny is when their are 26 different versions of the DC-Cycle > t-shirt floating around. Isn't the point of a logo, is there is just a single > one for an entire group. We could start up like DC-Cycle factions. I call > Protestant DC-Cycles. > > Rob > > On Tue, 06 Jan 2004 14:22:15 -0500, Troutman wrote > > As you wish sire. http://www.cafeshops.com/dccycles.9247851 > > > > If you don't like this one, take it off list to me directly. I > > added a bunch of other products with logos on them, and ordered 10 > > of them for myself. I don't remember who did logos 1b or 11, but I > > always liked > > 11. 7, 8 and 9 are mine but I know a lot more about photoshop and > > design now ;-) > > > > At 02:01 PM 1/6/2004, ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > > >Long sleeve t-shirt with logo 8 small pocket on the front and logo 1b > > >(black DC with the biker in the middle) on the back. > > >Same in a t-shirt, baseball shirt and possibly sweatshirt. > > > > > >If you would be so kind as to add those designs, I would > appreciate it. ;-) > > > > ___________________________________________ > > Mike Troutman > > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > > 1997 Honda VFR 750 > > AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ > > NMA http://www.motorists.org > > > -- > Rob Sharp > 1996 Honda VFR 750 > 2003 Chevy S10 Xtreme > SSCP/CCSP/CCNA 2.0/CCSA > Network Security Engineer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 6 16:12:31 2004 Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 16:12:51 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: DC and cell phones Just heard on WAMU that the D.C. city council passed a resolution banning use of cell phones by bus drivers and people with learner's permits, and restricting all other use to those with "hands free devices". Mayor Williams says he'll sign it. It would go into effect next summer (July I think they said) to allow communication of the new law to drivers and to allow people time to buy hands-free equipment. I'm guessing that some folks will go for this version: http://www.speeding.co.uk/acatalog/handsfree.jpg Fine is $100 for violation. As for the T-shirt/religion thing, I'll claim the Militant Agnostic sector ("I don't know, and *you* don't either!" :^) -- Mike B. **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 6 16:22:27 2004 Subject: RE: DC and cell phones Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 16:22:19 -0500 From: "Verde, Robert" To: "Mike Bartman" , I've seen a lot of mention in the European magazines of Bluetooth headsets for mobile phones. Do any US carriers support Bluetooth-enabled phones? I also recall seeing the wireless headsets built into some motorcycle helmet, I think it was a Schuberth. Not that I need to use a cell phone while wearing a ehlmet, but the wireless aspect appeals to me. Robert -----Original Message----- From: Mike Bartman [mailto:omni@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 4:13 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: DC and cell phones Just heard on WAMU that the D.C. city council passed a resolution banning use of cell phones by bus drivers and people with learner's permits, and restricting all other use to those with "hands free devices". Mayor Williams says he'll sign it. It would go into effect next summer (July I think they said) to allow communication of the new law to drivers and to allow people time to buy hands-free equipment. I'm guessing that some folks will go for this version: http://www.speeding.co.uk/acatalog/handsfree.jpg Fine is $100 for violation. As for the T-shirt/religion thing, I'll claim the Militant Agnostic sector ("I don't know, and *you* don't either!" :^) -- Mike B. **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 6 16:23:39 2004 Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 16:23:36 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: DC and cell phones At 04:12 PM 1/6/2004, Mike Bartman wrote: > I'm guessing that some >folks will go for this version: > >http://www.speeding.co.uk/acatalog/handsfree.jpg > >Fine is $100 for violation. This being DC, it will be approved based on the concept of REVENUE FIRST, SAFETY SECOND. Once they started charging $50 a ticket for primary seat belt violations, the cops were all over it as a fund raiser. Cell phones are easy to blame and I hate them in the ear of a driver as much as the next guy, but the talking on the phone has been proven as the distraction, not the phone itself. Hands free won't change a thing, except I will be bewildered as to the cause of the dumb traffic move instead of seeing its antenna. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 6 16:37:01 2004 Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 16:36:56 -0500 From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: To: "List-dc cycles" Subject: wired jacket on airplane causes problem Here's another version of the story - no battery here, and the wires were part of a leather motorcycle jacket ... http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/news/archive/2004/01/06/national1507EST0672.DTL From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 6 16:40:13 2004 From: Michael Lynch To: "'Verde, Robert'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: DC and cell phones Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 16:45:58 -0500 I have speakers wired into my Shoei, and as a test one time clipped a mike onto the chinbar, made the proper wire harness, and took a ride while talking to my friend on the cell phone. To my surprise, it wasn't at all distracting like I expected it to be. He could hear me fine at speed up to 45 mph or so. Didn't try it beyond that. It felt less distracting than talking on the cell in a 4+ wheeled vehicle actually. Logistically, it has to be set up perfectly. You have to be able to set your phone to auto answer after a couple rings (no fumbling for the phone or buttons) and auto hang up when the other person hangs up. Like that IBM commercial where there's a presentation of this black plastic ball with connectors sticking out all over that can "allow everything to be connected to everything" (humorous), I have dreams of making a universal connector that will pipe audio into the helmet from the cell phone, ipod, V1, FRS, CB, etc. :-) It's gonna look like a Griswold Christmas! :-) Zzzt Mike 98 XR400 96 VFR 76 CB400F > -----Original Message----- > From: Verde, Robert [SMTP:Robert.Verde@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 4:22 PM > To: Mike Bartman; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: DC and cell phones > > I've seen a lot of mention in the European magazines of Bluetooth headsets > for mobile phones. Do any US carriers support Bluetooth-enabled phones? > > I also recall seeing the wireless headsets built into some motorcycle > helmet, I think it was a Schuberth. Not that I need to use a cell phone > while wearing a ehlmet, but the wireless aspect appeals to me. > > Robert > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Bartman [mailto:omni@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 4:13 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: DC and cell phones > > > > Just heard on WAMU that the D.C. city council passed a resolution banning > use of cell phones by bus drivers and people with learner's permits, and > restricting all other use to those with "hands free devices". Mayor > Williams says he'll sign it. It would go into effect next summer (July I > think they said) to allow communication of the new law to drivers and to > allow people time to buy hands-free equipment. I'm guessing that some > folks will go for this version: > > http://www.speeding.co.uk/acatalog/handsfree.jpg > > Fine is $100 for violation. > > > As for the T-shirt/religion thing, I'll claim the Militant Agnostic sector > ("I don't know, and *you* don't either!" :^) > > -- Mike B. > > ************************************************************************** > ** > * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated > * > * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered > * > * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated > * > *------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -* > * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! > * > ************************************************************************** > ** > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 6 16:40:50 2004 Subject: RE: wired jacket on airplane causes problem Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 16:40:41 -0500 From: "Verde, Robert" To: , "List-dc cycles" So they clear her through security, let her board the plane, then take her off... Weird. Remind me yet again of all the civil liberties we've sacrificed in the "war against terrorism." Robert -----Original Message----- From: Chris Norloff [mailto:cnorloff@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 4:37 PM To: List-dc cycles Subject: wired jacket on airplane causes problem Here's another version of the story - no battery here, and the wires were part of a leather motorcycle jacket ... http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/news/archive/2004/01/06/national1507EST0672.DTL From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 6 16:42:28 2004 Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 16:31:58 -0500 To: "Verde, Robert" , From: Mike Bartman Subject: RE: DC and cell phones At 04:22 PM 1/6/04 -0500, Verde, Robert wrote: >I've seen a lot of mention in the European magazines of Bluetooth headsets for mobile phones. Do any US carriers support Bluetooth-enabled phones? I think Nextel's Blackberry does that as well as being a PDA. -- Mike B. **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 6 16:42:34 2004 Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 16:44:00 -0500 To: Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: DC and cell phones At 04:23 PM 1/6/04 -0500, Troutman wrote: >At 04:12 PM 1/6/2004, Mike Bartman wrote: >>Fine is $100 for violation. > >This being DC, it will be approved based on the concept of REVENUE FIRST, >SAFETY SECOND. Well, duh! :^) It got passed 12-1 BTW. >Cell phones are easy to blame and I hate them in the ear of a driver as >much as the next guy, but the talking on the phone has been proven as the >distraction, not the phone itself. Hands free won't change a thing, except >I will be bewildered as to the cause of the dumb traffic move instead of >seeing its antenna. Agreed, but I think it will shift the blame from a simple cell phone to the real problem: too many people aren't competent to be driving. Once you can't blame it on the cell phone, you are more likely to blame the real cause...the person. Of course, that won't fix anything in THIS culture. People drove like idiots before cell phones were invented too (though at a lower rate of occurrence), and they will do so once they are banned from cars entirely too. So long as driving is a necessity to live in most of the country we won't remove licenses from those who can't drive until they kill someone, and even then it's not certain. That will leave lots of bad drivers driving. My plan for improvement of the situation involves a Road Freedom Day once a year. We pick a day that's a holiday anyway, but one where most people don't travel much. President's Day maybe. On that day we eliminate *all* traffic laws on the interstate highway system. No speed limits. No equipment regulations (other than restrictions to protect the integrity of the roads themselves...i.e. no tanks with studded treads). No requirements for lights, signals, or seat belts. Nothing. Oh, and there's no need for police patrols either, as there aren't any traffic laws to enforce. This situation lasts from midnight to midnight on that one day, once a year. All those who want to act like morons are free to do so all they like on that day. The sane people will use alternate routing if they have to go out. The next morning, starting at midnight, anyone with a tow truck or ambulance is allowed to go onto the interstates and salvage whatever they find lying around, cars, bikes, trucks, re-usable organs, whatever. That lasts until the roads are cleared up for regular traffic and things go back to normal, but with a lower number of insane drivers to endanger everyone else. Think of it as evolution in action... -- Mike B. **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 6 16:43:25 2004 Subject: RE: DC and cell phones Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 16:43:16 -0500 From: "Verde, Robert" To: "Michael Lynch" , Looking at the Ericsson site (thanks, Julian!), they have a nice little Bluetooth MP3 player, which auto-mutes when a phone call comes through on the same wireless headset. Nifty! Robert -----Original Message----- From: Michael Lynch [mailto:MLynch@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 4:46 PM To: Verde, Robert; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: DC and cell phones I have speakers wired into my Shoei, and as a test one time clipped a mike onto the chinbar, made the proper wire harness, and took a ride while talking to my friend on the cell phone. To my surprise, it wasn't at all distracting like I expected it to be. He could hear me fine at speed up to 45 mph or so. Didn't try it beyond that. It felt less distracting than talking on the cell in a 4+ wheeled vehicle actually. Logistically, it has to be set up perfectly. You have to be able to set your phone to auto answer after a couple rings (no fumbling for the phone or buttons) and auto hang up when the other person hangs up. Like that IBM commercial where there's a presentation of this black plastic ball with connectors sticking out all over that can "allow everything to be connected to everything" (humorous), I have dreams of making a universal connector that will pipe audio into the helmet from the cell phone, ipod, V1, FRS, CB, etc. :-) It's gonna look like a Griswold Christmas! :-) Zzzt Mike 98 XR400 96 VFR 76 CB400F From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 6 16:48:51 2004 Subject: RE: Road Freedom Day (was: DC and cell phones) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 16:48:42 -0500 From: "Verde, Robert" To: "Mike Bartman" , "Troutman" , Sounds like a one-day version of the dystopia described in Alan Dean Foster's short story; "Why Johnny Can't Drive." Sounds good to me. Unfortunately, most of the random idiots I'd like to see take advantage of such an opportunity to leave the gene pool, wouldn't. Robert -----Original Message----- From: Mike Bartman [mailto:omni@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 4:44 PM To: Troutman; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: DC and cell phones My plan for improvement of the situation involves a Road Freedom Day once a year. We pick a day that's a holiday anyway, but one where most people don't travel much. President's Day maybe. On that day we eliminate *all* traffic laws on the interstate highway system. No speed limits. No equipment regulations (other than restrictions to protect the integrity of the roads themselves...i.e. no tanks with studded treads). No requirements for lights, signals, or seat belts. Nothing. Oh, and there's no need for police patrols either, as there aren't any traffic laws to enforce. This situation lasts from midnight to midnight on that one day, once a year. All those who want to act like morons are free to do so all they like on that day. The sane people will use alternate routing if they have to go out. The next morning, starting at midnight, anyone with a tow truck or ambulance is allowed to go onto the interstates and salvage whatever they find lying around, cars, bikes, trucks, re-usable organs, whatever. That lasts until the roads are cleared up for regular traffic and things go back to normal, but with a lower number of insane drivers to endanger everyone else. Think of it as evolution in action... -- Mike B. **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 6 16:50:50 2004 From: "Rob Sharp" To: "Verde, Robert" , , "List-dc cycles" Subject: RE: wired jacket on airplane causes problem Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 16:51:36 -0500 I don't think so. It says she was taken off before the it departed. Anyhow get a clue and don't wear a jacket with wires in it to the airport. I traveled for a living and I wore jeans, sneakers and a sweatshirt. All metal was in my carry-on or checked. I usually changed at the hotel b4 I hit the clients site. You don't want to give those people (TSA) anything to worry about or else your just looking for hassles. Hell if I was them I would be CYA 24/7 Quote: ------ A Homeland Security official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said a passenger was taken off the plane before it departed from France because of concerns about the wires ------- Rob On Tue, 6 Jan 2004 16:40:41 -0500, Verde, Robert wrote > So they clear her through security, let her board the plane, then > take her off... Weird. > > Remind me yet again of all the civil liberties we've sacrificed in > the "war against terrorism." > > Robert > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Norloff [mailto:cnorloff@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 4:37 PM > To: List-dc cycles > Subject: wired jacket on airplane causes problem > > Here's another version of the story - no battery here, and the wires > were part of a leather motorcycle jacket ... > > http://www.sfgate.com/cgi- > bin/article.cgi?file=/news/archive/2004/01/06/national1507EST0672.DTL -- Rob Sharp 1996 Honda VFR 750 2003 Chevy S10 Xtreme SSCP/CCSP/CCNA 2.0/CCSA Network Security Engineer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 6 16:55:39 2004 Subject: Autocom (was: RE: DC and cell phones) From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 06 Jan 2004 16:52:06 -0500 On Tue, 2004-01-06 at 16:45, Michael Lynch wrote: > I have dreams of making a universal > connector that will pipe audio into the helmet from the cell phone, ipod, > V1, FRS, CB, etc. :-) It's gonna look like a Griswold Christmas! :-) Zzzt > http://www.autocom.co.uk I have one for my bike. I have have my mp3 player and cell phone plugged in. Rita would call me on the cell back when I went to the IDS class and was on my way home. I was able to talk to her while in the left lane on 66 and she was able to hear me better than if I was speaking directly into the phone. I have the autocom mic mounted in the chinbar of my helmet and the speakers in the helmet. I need to mount the speakers farther in though. It's a bit of a pain for longer rides. I used the system to listen to mp3's while on the trip to Boise. I sewed velcro to the chin straps of my 5/8's helmet. It was just loud enough to listen to but only just (wind and earplugs). > Mike > 98 XR400 > 96 VFR > 76 CB400F > Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 6 17:07:12 2004 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "List-dc cycles" Subject: Re: wired jacket on airplane causes problem Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 17:03:47 -0500 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Sharp" > I don't think so. It says she was taken off before the it departed. Anyhow > get a clue and don't wear a jacket with wires in it to the airport. I > traveled for a living and I wore jeans, sneakers and a sweatshirt. All metal > was in my carry-on or checked. I usually changed at the hotel b4 I hit the > clients site. You don't want to give those people (TSA) anything to worry > about or else your just looking for hassles. Hell if I was them I would be > CYA 24/7 > Yeah, pretty much. I've eliminated all superfluous metal objects from my person. I used to carry a camping knife as a matter of course and didn't think anything of it, except at the airport. Until I had jury duty here in the big bad city and the guards wouldn't let a wimpy 3" blade pass. Come to think of it, I haven't been invited *back* for jury duty since. These days I leave the Gerbing jacket liner and gloves on the bike to avoid any potential hassles in buildings with metal detectors, like the DMV. Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - www.wilsonline.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 6 17:08:48 2004 Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 14:08:45 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: RE: DC and cell phones To: Michael Lynch , "'Verde, Robert'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX The Kennedy Cellset www.cellset.com works pretty good for that. The phone is a Motorola 120t. I use a J&M headset and the cell set. It's also got another input that I can use for radio or CB. I used it on the Iron Butt Rally, it worked well until I couldn't get the phone recharged, but that's a different story. Leon Ninja 250 rider. --- Michael Lynch wrote: > I have speakers wired into my Shoei, and as a test > one time clipped a mike > onto the chinbar, made the proper wire harness, and > took a ride while > talking to my friend on the cell phone. To my > surprise, it wasn't at all > distracting like I expected it to be. He could hear > me fine at speed up to > 45 mph or so. Didn't try it beyond that. It felt > less distracting than > talking on the cell in a 4+ wheeled vehicle > actually. > > Logistically, it has to be set up perfectly. You > have to be able to set > your phone to auto answer after a couple rings (no > fumbling for the phone or > buttons) and auto hang up when the other person > hangs up. > > Like that IBM commercial where there's a > presentation of this black plastic > ball with connectors sticking out all over that can > "allow everything to be > connected to everything" (humorous), I have dreams > of making a universal > connector that will pipe audio into the helmet from > the cell phone, ipod, > V1, FRS, CB, etc. :-) It's gonna look like a > Griswold Christmas! :-) Zzzt > > Mike > 98 XR400 > 96 VFR > 76 CB400F > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Verde, Robert [SMTP:Robert.Verde@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 4:22 PM > > To: Mike Bartman; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: RE: DC and cell phones > > > > I've seen a lot of mention in the European > magazines of Bluetooth headsets > > for mobile phones. Do any US carriers support > Bluetooth-enabled phones? > > > > I also recall seeing the wireless headsets built > into some motorcycle > > helmet, I think it was a Schuberth. Not that I > need to use a cell phone > > while wearing a ehlmet, but the wireless aspect > appeals to me. > > > > Robert > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Mike Bartman [mailto:omni@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 4:13 PM > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: DC and cell phones > > > > > > > > Just heard on WAMU that the D.C. city council > passed a resolution banning > > use of cell phones by bus drivers and people with > learner's permits, and > > restricting all other use to those with "hands > free devices". Mayor > > Williams says he'll sign it. It would go into > effect next summer (July I > > think they said) to allow communication of the new > law to drivers and to > > allow people time to buy hands-free equipment. > I'm guessing that some > > folks will go for this version: > > > > http://www.speeding.co.uk/acatalog/handsfree.jpg > > > > Fine is $100 for violation. > > > > > > As for the T-shirt/religion thing, I'll claim the > Militant Agnostic sector > > ("I don't know, and *you* don't either!" :^) > > > > -- Mike B. > > > > > ************************************************************************** > > ** > > * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered > Obfuscation Obliterated > > * > > * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled > Opinions Offered > > * > > * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined > Smiles Stimulated > > * > > > *------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -* > > * "We do it all! No job too small! No > price too high! > > * > > > ************************************************************************** > > ** > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 6 17:14:47 2004 Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 17:06:19 -0500 To: "Verde, Robert" , "Troutman" , From: Mike Bartman Subject: RE: Road Freedom Day (was: DC and cell phones) At 04:48 PM 1/6/04 -0500, Verde, Robert wrote: >Sounds like a one-day version of the dystopia described in Alan Dean Foster's short story; "Why Johnny Can't Drive." I'll have to hunt that down. I like his writing, but I missed that one. >Sounds good to me. Unfortunately, most of the random idiots I'd like to see take advantage of such an opportunity to leave the gene pool, wouldn't. Then maybe there's hope for them? :^) -- Mike B. **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 6 17:19:38 2004 Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 17:19:19 -0500 (EST) From: "Daniel H. Brown" To: List-dc cycles Subject: Re: wired jacket on airplane causes problem On Tue, 6 Jan 2004, Paul Wilson wrote: > > These days I leave the Gerbing jacket liner and gloves on the bike to avoid > any potential hassles in buildings with metal detectors, like the DMV. Thank goodness for composite, non metalic materials. Would hate to imagine having to walk into a public facility like the DMV or a Courthouse un-armed. -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 6 18:40:58 2004 Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 18:39:48 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" To: Paul Wilson CC: List-dc cycles Subject: Re: wired jacket on airplane causes problem Paul Wilson wrote: > Yeah, pretty much. I've eliminated all superfluous metal objects from my > person. I used to carry a camping knife as a matter of course and didn't > think anything of it, except at the airport. Until I had jury duty here in > the big bad city and the guards wouldn't let a wimpy 3" blade pass. Come to > think of it, I haven't been invited *back* for jury duty since. > Paul in DC > 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - www.wilsonline.org Yeah, I forgot about my poacket knfewhen reporting for jury duty. Siezed and tagged, had to pick it up on the way out. I'm abit more careful now, even left the small knife in my truck when I went into a high school today to buy tickets for a show. Of course the safety nazis could bust me for having the shiv on school property - eek! Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 6 18:46:12 2004 From: "Michael Jordan" To: Subject: RE: DC and cell phones Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 18:46:03 -0500 >I've seen a lot of mention in the European magazines of Bluetooth >headsets >for mobile phones. Do any US carriers support Bluetooth-enabled phones? > >I think Nextel's Blackberry does that as well as being a PDA. Typically, you have a dongle that plugs into the phone's headset jack, and the bluetooth headset talks to the dongle. Pretty universal. Don't know of ny phones that have native bluetooth (my Blackberry 6710 doesn't) Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 6 19:17:47 2004 X-Http_host: webmail.ccm.udel.edu Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 19:17:44 -0500 Reply-To: Dave Streilein Subject: Re: DC and cell phones From: Dave Streilein To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Webmail-User: streilei@XXXXXX Cingular, AT&T, and T-Mobile all have Blue-tooth enabled native phones (GSM providers)... Including (but far from limited to) Siemens S56, Nokia 3650, Sony Ericsson T616/610 As far as I know, there are no BT phones for CDMA providers (Sprint and Verizon) or Nextel dave Subject: RE: DC and cell phones Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 16:22:19 -0500 From: "Verde, Robert" To: "Mike Bartman" , I've seen a lot of mention in the European magazines of Bluetooth headsets for mobile phones. Do any US carriers support Bluetooth-enabled phones? I also recall seeing the wireless headsets built into some motorcycle helmet, I think it was a Schuberth. Not that I need to use a cell phone while wearing a ehlmet, but the wireless aspect appeals to me. Robert From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 6 20:45:33 2004 Subject: RE: dc-cycles digest for 01/06/04 Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 20:45:02 -0500 From: "Maurer, Aaron" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: MLynch@XXXXXX X-WSS-ID: 13E5BB1481109-01-01 The universal connector is actually now a bike- or 9V battery-powered reality. Made by a fellow motorcyclist even: http://www.tesseractcorp.com/xma3.htm -----Original Message----- From: Michael Lynch [mailto:MLynch@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 4:46 PM To: Verde, Robert; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: DC and cell phones I have speakers wired into my Shoei, and as a test one time clipped a mike onto the chinbar, made the proper wire harness, and took a ride while talking to my friend on the cell phone. To my surprise, it wasn't at all distracting like I expected it to be. He could hear me fine at speed up to 45 mph or so. Didn't try it beyond that. It felt less distracting than talking on the cell in a 4+ wheeled vehicle actually. Logistically, it has to be set up perfectly. You have to be able to set your phone to auto answer after a couple rings (no fumbling for the phone or buttons) and auto hang up when the other person hangs up. Like that IBM commercial where there's a presentation of this black plastic ball with connectors sticking out all over that can "allow everything to be connected to everything" (humorous), I have dreams of making a universal connector that will pipe audio into the helmet from the cell phone, ipod, V1, FRS, CB, etc. :-) It's gonna look like a Griswold Christmas! :-) Zzzt Mike 98 XR400 96 VFR 76 CB400F ------------------------------------------------------------ NOTICE: This message is intended for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. 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But that's okay because they don't have a light and I can't see them at night anyway. Point the fifth: I'm losing bits and pieces of the bike at a rate now exceeding one a week. Grr. Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 6 22:38:26 2004 Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 22:37:18 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" To: Fish Flowers CC: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Argh. Fish Flowers wrote: > Point the first: It's starting to get a bit nippy out there. > > Point the second: I cannot find my Widder. > > Point the third: The low beam on my headlamp was burnt out when I left > work tonight. > > Point the fourth: My speedometer (and odometer) went *sproing* CRUNCH on > the way home. But that's okay because they don't have a light and I can't > see them at night anyway. > > Point the fifth: I'm losing bits and pieces of the bike at a rate now > exceeding one a week. > > Grr. > > Fish. You must be jinxed. I've never had a bike with as many probs as your's does, and my current ride is a Harley. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 6 22:52:55 2004 From: "stephen" To: Subject: DC parking meters Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 22:44:47 -0500 The north-most parking meter on the 1500 block of 19th Street (beside Raku) has a "five cent meter." For five cents, you get one quarter, one dime, and one nickel's worth of parking. None of the other six meters there exhibit this behaviour. I think that it might be worth "our" while researching the other DC meters to see if any other exhibit the same behaviour. Stephen From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 6 23:37:07 2004 Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 23:35:51 -0500 To: Dave Streilein , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: DC and cell phones At 07:17 PM 1/6/04 -0500, Dave Streilein wrote: >As far as I know, there are no BT phones for CDMA providers (Sprint and >Verizon) or Nextel Nextel has brochures in the local store that claim that the Blackberry is BT capable. I don't know if that is with or without a dongle though. On a more on-topic note, that pointer that Carl left earlier today for the Autocom equipment was very interesting. I'm not much interested in music (yet), but the ability to get a cell phone call while riding would be handy at times. I doubt I'd keep riding if I got one (need more miles first :^), but getting it, and pulling over somewhere to finish it should work ok. For longer trips it would be nice to have CB capability too...are there any CB radios that will work with that system? They list a few walkie-talkie units, but no mention of CB. Any specific reason why that wouldn't work? The ear phones are probably not much of an issue, but the mic might be. Experiences anyone? -- Mike B. **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 7 00:35:01 2004 Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 00:38:13 -0500 Subject: ice on roads To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "garcia oliver" Hi...You can expect ice on four pieces of road I'm familiar with: (1) right lane of Rock Creek Pkwy (RCP) heading south between P street and Penn Ave. This one's on a curve, too; (2) Left lane of the 6-8 lane road going north from RCP between Lincoln Memorial and Kennedy Center; (3) North side of Albemarle St NW, a couple of blocks east of Conn. Ave. (4) West side of Oregon Ave, between Military Rd and Nebraska Ave. There will be plenty of others as well. --garcia "I drank WHAT?" -- Socrates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 7 07:26:55 2004 Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 07:23:08 -0500 From: Tom To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Nippy out Hi, I didn't ride today, but I've been considering riding near full time. I have a heated vest (No, i'm not a terrorist), I'm getting heated grips. I can't afford a 'stitch, so what pants would be acceptable for days like this? RoadGear has nice looking ones, JoeRocket's stuff looks OK. Any experience with these or other overpants in the sub $300 range? Thanks, Tom de '98 VTR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 7 07:58:49 2004 From: "Dave Yates" To: Subject: Re: DC and cell phones Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 08:00:18 -0500 X-ELNK-Trace: 956056117932dab21aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec790a719bd8398a9dd2f39ce2317dfee17c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c > On a more on-topic note, that pointer that Carl left earlier today for the > Autocom equipment was very interesting. I'm not much interested in music > (yet), but the ability to get a cell phone call while riding would be handy > at times. I doubt I'd keep riding if I got one (need more miles first :^), > but getting it, and pulling over somewhere to finish it should work ok. [Dave] Sniffs bait... decides not to take it ;-) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 7 08:30:11 2004 Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 05:29:58 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: Bike Show this weekend To: Carl Schelin , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Carl Schelin wrote: > On Mon, 2004-01-05 at 15:05, Tom Gimer wrote: > > who let all the whining non-smokers in? i thought this > > was a biker club.... > > > > Wait, I thought sportbikers were single clean-cut > hooligans who drank > imported beers and hung out at sport bars or in > Georgetown and the > harley guys were chain-smoking beer-drinking womanizers > who hung out at > bars and told their women "We're going to Hooters and > you're going to > enter the wet t-shirt contest *grunt*". > > I figured that if I was going to hang out with the sport > biker crowd, > which is the majority membership (from all evidence) of > dc-sportbikers... I mean, dc-cycles, I should take on > some of their > mannerisms. > > Was I mistaken? yep. there are no common mannerisms here. cruiser or sportbike, cleancut or filthy, what truly unites dc-cyclists is our ability to crash when gathering as a group. -- tg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 7 08:32:16 2004 Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 05:31:58 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: Bike Show this weekend To: "Daniel H. Brown" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- "Daniel H. Brown" wrote: > On Mon, 5 Jan 2004, Tom Gimer wrote: > > Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 12:40:24 -0800 (PST) > > From: Tom Gimer > > To: "Daniel H. Brown" , > dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: RE: Bike Show this weekend > > > > --- "Daniel H. Brown" wrote: > > > On Mon, 5 Jan 2004, Tom Gimer wrote: > > > > > > > > who let all the whining non-smokers in? i thought > > > > this was a biker club.... > > > > > > It was a requisite for letting lawyers in. > > > > surely you pressed "send" too quickly. is this all you > > could muster up? please give another try at making > > sense out of this. > > > > I'm, sorry, how 'bout... it was a requisite for allowing > the whining lawyers to stay. -- tg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 7 08:44:00 2004 Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 05:43:51 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: white's ferry ride To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX whoa! i missed this.... chuck, you're still with us? you've been awefully quiet.... --- cvkgpena@XXXXXX wrote: > Corey, > > You can blame me if any of the directions on the ride > sheet are wrong. They were posted a long while back and > I did my best to make sure they were correct. But > sometimes stuff happens. Sorry! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 7 09:10:30 2004 Subject: Re: wired jacket on airplane causes problem From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 07 Jan 2004 09:06:56 -0500 On Tue, 2004-01-06 at 18:39, William J. Huson wrote: > Yeah, I forgot about my poacket knfewhen reporting for jury duty. Typing while riding isn't a good idea ;-) > Bill > Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 7 09:12:40 2004 Subject: Re: DC parking meters From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 07 Jan 2004 09:09:07 -0500 On Tue, 2004-01-06 at 22:44, stephen wrote: > The north-most parking meter on the 1500 block of 19th Street (beside Raku) > has a "five cent meter." For five cents, you get one quarter, one dime, and > one nickel's worth of parking. None of the other six meters there exhibit > this behaviour. > I've had the meters on VA Ave by 4th St take a penny for a dime a couple of times but mainly, like yesterday, it takes one of the newer state quarters as a dime or not at all. I figure it all balances out in the end. > Stephen > Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 7 09:27:19 2004 Subject: Re: Nippy out From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 07 Jan 2004 09:23:45 -0500 On Wed, 2004-01-07 at 07:23, Tom wrote: > Hi, > I didn't ride today, but I've been considering riding near full time. > I have a heated vest (No, i'm not a terrorist), I'm getting heated > grips. I can't afford a 'stitch, so what pants would be acceptable for > days like this? RoadGear has nice looking ones, JoeRocket's stuff looks > OK. Any experience with these or other overpants in the sub $300 range? > I did ride in. No frozen hair so it's not _that_ cold :-) I wore my Joe Rocket Revolution Pants without the liner yesterday and it got prickly cold on my thighs on the way home. I put the quilted liner in this morning and was nice and warm, even the tops of my thighs. I also have the Alter Ego 4.0 Jacket. I haven't had the stock liner in for a month or so (good to about the 40 degree mark). I have Gerbing's jacket liner and gloves which I wore this morning. Again, my arms and body were quite warm. I also had a pair of -60 degree socks from Sports Authority so no feet problems either. I wear a light scarf around my chin and neck, basically to just block the wind and that was the second coldest area this morning. My right thumb was by far the coldest of all. I've found the Gerbing's gloves don't seem to heat the underside (that's facing down and into the updraft) very well. I've sent a note to them but no response. If I move my thumbs to rest in the gap between the signals and the high beams/start button, they generally keep pretty warm. I also have the Fog City face shield liner. No fog to speak of and ice on the inside of the shield at the left and right edges of the liner (just outside of vision). I'm sure I wouldn't be able to ride the Suzuki with this configuration. Just the pants are pretty tight when I have to fold up on the bike and I can't zip up the front of the JR Pants. If I do, I have a hard time breathing :-) The quilted liner would be out of the question. I rode the Harley Softail and don't use a windshield. > Thanks, > > Tom de '98 VTR > Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 7 09:32:49 2004 Subject: RE: Nippy out Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 09:32:39 -0500 From: "Verde, Robert" To: "Tom" , Second the "nippy" observation, it was 16^[)BM-0 on the bank sign near Tyson's when I came by this morning. I own/wear the First Gear Hypertex Overpant, with the zip out lining, and I've never had any issues with warmth or wet. Like the Joe Rocket stuff I've seen, they have zips down both pant legs, but don't seperate at the waist. They were pretty cheap when I got them, I think something around 125/135. Robert -----Original Message----- From: Tom [mailto:tdeboeser@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 7:23 AM To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' Subject: Nippy out Hi, I didn't ride today, but I've been considering riding near full time. I have a heated vest (No, i'm not a terrorist), I'm getting heated grips. I can't afford a 'stitch, so what pants would be acceptable for days like this? RoadGear has nice looking ones, JoeRocket's stuff looks OK. Any experience with these or other overpants in the sub $300 range? Thanks, Tom de '98 VTR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 7 09:58:29 2004 From: "Rob Sharp" To: Tom , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: Nippy out Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 09:59:14 -0500 You're not a terrorist unless you try to get on an *airplane* with your heated vest on. I know the climate control can get a little whacky on airplanes but come on! Rob On Wed, 07 Jan 2004 07:23:08 -0500, Tom wrote > I have a heated vest (No, i'm not a terrorist), I'm getting > heated grips. > > Tom de '98 VTR -- Rob Sharp 1996 Honda VFR 750 2003 Chevy S10 Xtreme SSCP/CCSP/CCNA 2.0/CCSA Network Security Engineer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 7 09:59:39 2004 Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 09:59:34 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX To: Tom Gimer , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: white's ferry ride Just when you thought it was safe, huh Tom? Who loves ya baby?! Last year was not much of a year in terms of motorcycling for me. Got out for a handful of rides and one track day. Will hopefully spend more time in the saddle this year. And be able to renew our sparring contest to amuse and delight the DC-Cycle crowd. -----Original Message----- From: Tom Gimer Sent: Jan 7, 2004 8:43 AM To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: white's ferry ride whoa! i missed this.... chuck, you're still with us? you've been awefully quiet.... --- cvkgpena@XXXXXX wrote: > Corey, > > You can blame me if any of the directions on the ride > sheet are wrong. They were posted a long while back and > I did my best to make sure they were correct. But > sometimes stuff happens. Sorry! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 7 11:18:27 2004 From: "Sean" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 11:17:49 -0500 Subject: DC-Cycles stickers? X-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information Let's just say hypothetically that I have a friend that owns a print shop that specializes in vehicle lettering, decals, stickers, etc., mainly for race cars and that, hypothetically mind you, he was willing to do a professional logo design for DC-Cycles if we, as a group, were willing to purchase stickers/decals from him. Hypothetically speaking then, and pending a great-looking -- and "official" logo that most everyone could get on board with -- how many of you out there would be willing to buy said sticker(s)/decal(s)? How much would you pay? Would you order more than one? -Sean '93 Seca II that needs stickers to cover cracks in left fairing P.S. In theory, I also have friends that run a screenprinting business and who would re-purpose a multi-color logo for t-shirts, hoodies, etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 7 11:37:15 2004 Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 11:37:08 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: DC-Cycles stickers? Just as a reference case : I did this for the VF/VFR list which had around 1000 members at the time. See http://www.troutman.org/vfr/stickers/ for information. Anyway, I sold the little guys at $2 which was barely above cost, and I only pushed around 150 total. I still have a few packs left, and lost money on the whole deal. Fortunately I didn't do it for the money. With the smaller size of the dc-cycles group, you may find it hard to prove economies of scale. At 11:17 AM 1/7/2004, you wrote: >Let's just say hypothetically that I have a friend that owns a print shop >that specializes in vehicle lettering, decals, stickers, etc., mainly for >race cars and that, hypothetically mind you, he was willing to do a >professional logo design for DC-Cycles if we, as a group, were willing to >purchase stickers/decals from him. > >Hypothetically speaking then, and pending a great-looking -- and >"official" logo that most everyone could get on board with -- how many of >you out there would be willing to buy said sticker(s)/decal(s)? How much >would you pay? Would you order more than one? > >-Sean >'93 Seca II that needs stickers to cover cracks in left fairing > >P.S. In theory, I also have friends that run a screenprinting business and >who would re-purpose a multi-color logo for t-shirts, hoodies, etc. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org Support Legislation requiring Voter-Verified Paper Trail for 2004 Elections http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/348035553 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 7 11:37:16 2004 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Tom" , Subject: Re: Nippy out Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 11:35:04 -0500 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom" > Hi, > I didn't ride today, but I've been considering riding near full time. > I have a heated vest (No, i'm not a terrorist), I'm getting heated > grips. I can't afford a 'stitch, so what pants would be acceptable for > days like this? RoadGear has nice looking ones, JoeRocket's stuff looks > OK. Any experience with these or other overpants in the sub $300 range? > > Thanks, > > Tom de '98 VTR > I stayed nice and warm in my Motoport pants this morning. I have the Ultra II, with the Gore-tex liner. I think they set you back about $200, including removable liner. In addition, I have a quilted liner for when it gets *really* cold or for an extended ride. They're just too bulky otherwise. I have metal detector unfriendly Gerbing heated garments only above the waist. Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - www.wilsonline.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 7 11:47:14 2004 Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 08:47:13 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: Nippy out To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I rode with the Gerbings cranked to max. 2/3 power wasn't enough for the fingers - I think overmittens might not be such a bad idea - haven't seen any though. I wore office slacks and my plain JR Ballistic pants on top. no thermal underwear or anything. 75+mph steady for over 50 minutes. JR has Reactor (??) pants which are the Ballistic with a removable liner and suspenders something akin to snow-mobile pants. Run about $150. I probably could have used them this morning. I needed to have heavier-duty socks though, my toes were cold and hurting. Bring your credit card to the show this weekend. ===== "Be kind and compassionate to one another, forgiving each other, just as in Christ God forgave you." Ephesians 4:32 Hurt and disappointment enter every marriage from time to time. When this happens, we choose to either forgive or develop resentment. Love will not last if we do not learn to forgive. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 7 11:59:39 2004 Subject: Re: Nippy out From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 07 Jan 2004 11:56:06 -0500 On Wed, 2004-01-07 at 11:47, matthew patton wrote: > I rode with the Gerbings cranked to max. 2/3 power wasn't enough for > the fingers - I think overmittens might not be such a bad idea - > haven't seen any though. I wore office slacks and my plain JR Ballistic > pants on top. no thermal underwear or anything. 75+mph steady for over > 50 minutes. JR has Reactor (??) pants which are the Ballistic with a > removable liner and suspenders something akin to snow-mobile pants. Run > about $150. I probably could have used them this morning. I needed to > have heavier-duty socks though, my toes were cold and hurting. > That's what I have. The JR Revolution pants. Suspenders and quilted liner. I think I paid 180 for mine at MFI. I had to special order it due to my large displacement :-) > Bring your credit card to the show this weekend. > Lunch is on Tom :-) Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 7 12:07:00 2004 Subject: Gas Tank From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 07 Jan 2004 12:03:27 -0500 After some interesting issues with the e-bay idiot, I got the gas tank I won last night. I zip-tied it to frame and it looks really good. I'm getting more exited about this bike. :-D The springer front end should be in shortly. It was shipped last week. Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 7 12:35:21 2004 Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 12:35:16 -0500 (EST) From: KR To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Nippy out Bob&Tom: They're not just in INDY anymore! On Wed, 7 Jan 2004, Tom wrote: >Hi, > I didn't ride today, but I've been considering riding near full time. >I have a heated vest (No, i'm not a terrorist), I'm getting heated >grips. I can't afford a 'stitch, so what pants would be acceptable for >days like this? RoadGear has nice looking ones, JoeRocket's stuff looks >OK. Any experience with these or other overpants in the sub $300 range? I like my Tourmaster Cortech overpants. They are lined, provide decent protection against the elements, and are easy to get on and take off. K. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 7 12:40:03 2004 Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 09:39:55 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Nippy out To: Carl Schelin , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Carl Schelin wrote: > On Wed, 2004-01-07 at 11:47, matthew patton wrote: > > Bring your credit card to the show this weekend. > > > > Lunch is on Tom :-) this tom or another tom? are you sure your lungs could handle lunch with this tom? ;) -- tg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 7 12:55:32 2004 Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 12:51:43 -0500 From: Tom To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Nippy out Carl Schelin wrote: >On Wed, 2004-01-07 at 11:47, matthew patton wrote: > > > >That's what I have. The JR Revolution pants. Suspenders and quilted >liner. I think I paid 180 for mine at MFI. I had to special order it due >to my large displacement :-) > > I'll look at those, Paul uses the Motospot (Cyclespot www.motoport.com) Ultra II. They look pretty nice. And have some interesting guarantees (better cooling than tee shirt jeans etc.). There right at the $300 price mark. Paul do you use them in the summer too? Carl thought about heated grips? Many people have remarked that they are the best thing since sliced bread ( or linux ). > > >>Bring your credit card to the show this weekend. >> >> >> > >Lunch is on Tom :-) > > Sure, but only after the lottery drawing on Sat. (and I win :P ) >Carl > > > Tom de '98 VTR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 7 12:58:07 2004 Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 12:54:18 -0500 From: Tom To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Nippy out Tom Gimer wrote: >--- Carl Schelin wrote: > > >>On Wed, 2004-01-07 at 11:47, matthew patton wrote: >> >> >>>Bring your credit card to the show this weekend. >>> >>> >>> >>Lunch is on Tom :-) >> >> > >this tom or another tom? > > probably me. The Tom with the imatation duc 996. >are you sure your lungs could handle lunch with this tom? >;) > > I've been wanting to put a face to the name. But I'm special. > >-- >tg > > Tom de '98 VTR >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes >http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 7 13:02:57 2004 Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 13:02:34 -0500 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: fish@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Argh. X-AOL-IP: 12.36.128.140 Once you lose the entire bike, let us know. I'm sure we'll have good suggestions for a replacement. :-) Scooter In a message dated 1/6/2004 9:58:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, fish@XXXXXX writes: > Point the fifth: I'm losing bits and pieces of the bike at > a rate now > exceeding one a week. > > Grr. > > Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 7 13:04:03 2004 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: magnetic tank bags Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 13:03:55 -0500 Got a smaller magnetic tank bag for Christmas. Had a warning about magnets and credit cards & cell phones. Didn't warn about MP3 players, but that's another thing I want to throw in there. Anyone had any problems w/ magnets on tank bags damaging anything like that? Thanks, Rich '02 SVS _________________________________________________________________ Tired of slow downloads? Compare online deals from your local high-speed providers now. https://broadband.msn.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 7 13:08:07 2004 Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 10:07:54 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: magnetic tank bags To: rich hall , dc-cycles@XXXXXX i carry an mp3 player in my small magnetic marsee tankbag and have never had any problems.... --- rich hall wrote: > Got a smaller magnetic tank bag for Christmas. Had a > warning about magnets > and credit cards & cell phones. Didn't warn about MP3 > players, but that's > another thing I want to throw in there. > Anyone had any problems w/ magnets on tank bags damaging > anything like that? > Thanks, > Rich '02 SVS ===== Thomas H. Gimer MURPHY & GIMER, LLC 7940A Wisconsin Avenue Bethesda, MD 20814 301 913-0060 ext. 11; 301 913-5415 (fax) http://www.murphygimer.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 7 13:11:33 2004 Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 10:11:31 -0800 (PST) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: magnetic tank bags On Wed, 7 Jan 2004, rich hall wrote: > Anyone had any problems w/ magnets on tank bags damaging anything like > that? I regularly carry credit cards and cell phone in my magnetic tank bag, and have never had any problems. No experience with mp3 players, though. Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 7 13:23:50 2004 Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 13:20:00 -0500 From: Tom To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: magnetic tank bags rich hall wrote: > Got a smaller magnetic tank bag for Christmas. Had a warning about > magnets and credit cards & cell phones. Didn't warn about MP3 > players, but that's another thing I want to throw in there. > Anyone had any problems w/ magnets on tank bags damaging anything like > that? gotta eclipse mag bag. laptop, cell, blackberry, cred cards.... no prob. > Thanks, > Rich '02 SVS Tom de '98 VTR > > _________________________________________________________________ > Tired of slow downloads? Compare online deals from your local > high-speed providers now. https://broadband.msn.com > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 7 13:24:41 2004 Subject: Re: Nippy out From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 07 Jan 2004 13:21:04 -0500 On Wed, 2004-01-07 at 12:39, Tom Gimer wrote: > --- Carl Schelin wrote: > > On Wed, 2004-01-07 at 11:47, matthew patton wrote: > > > Bring your credit card to the show this weekend. > > > > > > > Lunch is on Tom :-) > > this tom or another tom? > > are you sure your lungs could handle lunch with this tom? > ;) > I'm sure that IRL you're just as nice as any of the rest of us. We could even hang around at the show with no problems. Especially if you're buying :-) E-Mail just lets us be a little freer at times. You'll note that most of my e-mails are much more toned down than some of the others on this list ("come on down town, here's my office, we'll fight" from some months back). Probably because I know we'll meet some time. > > -- > tg > Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 7 13:26:06 2004 Subject: Re: Nippy out From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 07 Jan 2004 13:22:32 -0500 On Wed, 2004-01-07 at 12:39, Tom Gimer wrote: > --- Carl Schelin wrote: > > On Wed, 2004-01-07 at 11:47, matthew patton wrote: > > > Bring your credit card to the show this weekend. > > > > > > > Lunch is on Tom :-) > > this tom or another tom? > > are you sure your lungs could handle lunch with this tom? > ;) > Oh, and other listers have said that you're a nice guy IRL as well. Better watch your rep :-) > > -- > tg > Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 7 13:27:36 2004 Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 13:27:17 -0500 (EST) From: "Daniel H. Brown" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: magnetic tank bags On Wed, 7 Jan 2004, rich hall wrote: > Got a smaller magnetic tank bag for Christmas. Had a warning about magnets > and credit cards & cell phones. Didn't warn about MP3 players, but that's > another thing I want to throw in there. > Anyone had any problems w/ magnets on tank bags damaging anything like that? No problems with an Archos Jukebox 6000, nor credit cards, etc. YMMV. -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 7 13:27:57 2004 Subject: Re: Nippy out From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 07 Jan 2004 13:24:24 -0500 On Wed, 2004-01-07 at 12:51, Tom wrote: > Carl thought about heated grips? Many people have remarked that they > are the best thing since sliced bread ( or linux ). > With this cold thumb thing (both at times), I may have to. Especially when I'm riding all 4 seasons out in the Colorado High Country. > > > Sure, but only after the lottery drawing on Sat. (and I win :P ) > As long as you didn't find the winning ticket in the street ;-) Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 7 13:34:50 2004 Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 10:34:42 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Nippy out To: Carl Schelin , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Carl Schelin wrote: > On Wed, 2004-01-07 at 12:39, Tom Gimer wrote: > > --- Carl Schelin wrote: > > > On Wed, 2004-01-07 at 11:47, matthew patton wrote: > > > > Bring your credit card to the show this weekend. > > > > > > > > > > Lunch is on Tom :-) > > > > this tom or another tom? > > > > are you sure your lungs could handle lunch with this > tom? > > ;) > > > > Oh, and other listers have said that you're a nice guy > IRL as well. > Better watch your rep :-) dammit! alright, carl.... you better name names.... -- tg ===== Thomas H. Gimer MURPHY & GIMER, LLC 7940A Wisconsin Avenue Bethesda, MD 20814 301 913-0060 ext. 11; 301 913-5415 (fax) http://www.murphygimer.com **This material is being sent by a law firm and is intended only for the addressee. Various legal protections including the attorney-client privilege can apply to this material and no consent is given to its being read or used by anyone other than the intended recipient. Any other use is unlawful. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 7 13:35:06 2004 Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 10:34:48 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: magnetic tank bags To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX if you have Harddisk based players then the magnets aren't the problem, road vibration is. I destroyed a hard disk inside 15 miles. That was like 18mo ago and I *still* haven't gotten a new one. If it's solid state, then absolutely no problem. ===== "Be kind and compassionate to one another, forgiving each other, just as in Christ God forgave you." Ephesians 4:32 Hurt and disappointment enter every marriage from time to time. When this happens, we choose to either forgive or develop resentment. Love will not last if we do not learn to forgive. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 7 13:42:41 2004 Subject: Re: Nippy out From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 07 Jan 2004 13:39:09 -0500 On Wed, 2004-01-07 at 13:34, Tom Gimer wrote: > --- Carl Schelin wrote: > > On Wed, 2004-01-07 at 12:39, Tom Gimer wrote: > > > --- Carl Schelin wrote: > > > > On Wed, 2004-01-07 at 11:47, matthew patton wrote: > > > > > Bring your credit card to the show this weekend. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lunch is on Tom :-) > > > > > > this tom or another tom? > > > > > > are you sure your lungs could handle lunch with this > > tom? > > > ;) > > > > > > > Oh, and other listers have said that you're a nice guy > > IRL as well. > > Better watch your rep :-) > > dammit! > > alright, carl.... you better name names.... Ahh, so you _are_ buying lunch. Excellent. > -- > tg > Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 7 13:43:35 2004 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: magnetic tank bags (mp3) Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 13:43:28 -0500 Flash memory. Road about 3 hours or so w/ it in my jacket pocket this weekend, no problem. >From: matthew patton >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: magnetic tank bags >Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 10:34:48 -0800 (PST) > >if you have Harddisk based players then the magnets aren't the problem, >road vibration is. I destroyed a hard disk inside 15 miles. That was >like 18mo ago and I *still* haven't gotten a new one. If it's solid >state, then absolutely no problem. > >===== >"Be kind and compassionate to one another, forgiving each > other, just as in Christ God forgave you." Ephesians 4:32 > >Hurt and disappointment enter every marriage from time to time. >When this happens, we choose to either forgive or develop >resentment. Love will not last if we do not learn to forgive. > _________________________________________________________________ Enjoy a special introductory offer for dial-up Internet access ^[)BM-^W limited time only! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 7 13:44:25 2004 Subject: Re: magnetic tank bags From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 07 Jan 2004 13:40:52 -0500 On Wed, 2004-01-07 at 13:34, matthew patton wrote: > if you have Harddisk based players then the magnets aren't the problem, > road vibration is. I destroyed a hard disk inside 15 miles. That was > like 18mo ago and I *still* haven't gotten a new one. If it's solid > state, then absolutely no problem. or a CD-R based MP3 player. That's what I used for the Boise trip. We also used it when travelling to Boston. Three CDs for the whole trip (about 450 tunes). Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 7 13:44:34 2004 Subject: RE: Nippy out Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 13:44:35 -0500 From: "Verde, Robert" To: "Carl Schelin" , I thought the gist of the earlier comment had to do with lunch in a smoking environment, therefore the lung reference? Of course, interpreting the message as "use of lung power," as in a shouting match, makes it more interesting... ;-) Robert -----Original Message----- From: Carl Schelin [mailto:cschelin@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 1:23 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Nippy out On Wed, 2004-01-07 at 12:39, Tom Gimer wrote: > --- Carl Schelin wrote: > > On Wed, 2004-01-07 at 11:47, matthew patton wrote: > > > Bring your credit card to the show this weekend. > > > > > > > Lunch is on Tom :-) > > this tom or another tom? > > are you sure your lungs could handle lunch with this tom? > ;) > Oh, and other listers have said that you're a nice guy IRL as well. Better watch your rep :-) > > -- > tg > Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 7 13:57:33 2004 Subject: RE: Nippy out From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 07 Jan 2004 13:54:00 -0500 On Wed, 2004-01-07 at 13:44, Verde, Robert wrote: > I thought the gist of the earlier comment had to do with lunch in > a smoking environment, therefore the lung reference? Ahh, that also makes sense. I hadn't thought of that aspect. > > Of course, interpreting the message as "use of lung power," as in > a shouting match, makes it more interesting... I was considering the source :-) Both aspects are equally likely. > > ;-) > > Robert > Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 7 14:03:37 2004 Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 11:03:29 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: Nippy out To: Carl Schelin , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Carl Schelin wrote: > On Wed, 2004-01-07 at 13:44, Verde, Robert wrote: > > I thought the gist of the earlier comment had to do > with lunch in > > a smoking environment, therefore the lung reference? > > Ahh, that also makes sense. I hadn't thought of that > aspect. > > > > > Of course, interpreting the message as "use of lung > power," as in > > a shouting match, makes it more interesting... > > I was considering the source :-) Both aspects are equally > likely. it was a jab at the non-smoking whiners ;) on saturday, i'll be the guy with the 6 mos. old mini-mofo strapped to my chest (yes, in the non-smoking section, dammit).... -- tg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 7 14:15:27 2004 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Tom" , Subject: Re: Nippy out Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 14:14:49 -0500 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom" > > > I'll look at those, Paul uses the Motospot (Cyclespot www.motoport.com) > Ultra II. They look pretty nice. And have some interesting guarantees > (better cooling than tee shirt jeans etc.). There right at the $300 > price mark. > Paul do you use them in the summer too? > Re: wearing them in the summer, yep. Take the liners out. The cordura is uncoated, unlike the 'Stich, so the air goes right through and they breathe well at speed. YMMV in stop'n'go traffic. Tolerable to bearable in the 90s, East Coast style; comfortable to tolerable in the 100s, Western low-humidity style. With the light and heavy liners, it really is an all-weather piece of riding gear. With liners in, they are *waterproof* unlike the IMNSHO *water-resistant* 'Stich Roadcrafter. Armor is better the 'Stich too, IMHO. More of it, and better quality. A piece of substantial back armor in jacket that goes all the way down to your tailbone, for instance, not that wimpy thing that Aerostich sells, at additional cost. Chest armor, thigh arm too. I am looking at getting a real Bohn back protector though and by some strange coincidence, Action Stations is on the MC show vendor list. :) It's a pity Motoport is not making the show circuit this year. I've visited their large displays in prior years in Phila. and NYC. Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - www.wilsonline.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 7 15:23:15 2004 From: "Rob Sharp" To: "rich hall" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: magnetic tank bags Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 15:24:02 -0500 I keep my wallet and my cell phone in the bag. However with my bag the magnets are inside flaps off the bag so it's not sitting on a magnet. rob On Wed, 07 Jan 2004 13:03:55 -0500, rich hall wrote > Got a smaller magnetic tank bag for Christmas. Had a warning about > magnets and credit cards & cell phones. Didn't warn about MP3 > players, but that's another thing I want to throw in there. Anyone > had any problems w/ magnets on tank bags damaging anything like > that? Thanks, Rich '02 SVS > > _________________________________________________________________ > Tired of slow downloads? Compare online deals from your local high- > speed providers now. https://broadband.msn.com -- Rob Sharp 1996 Honda VFR 750 2003 Chevy S10 Xtreme SSCP/CCSP/CCNA 2.0/CCSA Network Security Engineer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 7 19:04:05 2004 Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 16:03:50 -0800 (PST) From: Carl Schelin Subject: T-Shirts To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Interesting. I ordered a dc-cycles t-shirt yesterday. Since it says it'll take 2-3 days to process, I requested next day hoping it'd be here by Friday. Guess what was here when I got home tonight. http://www.geocities.com/dm_gsxr/photos.html Carl __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 7 19:10:07 2004 From: Michael Lynch To: "'Carl Schelin'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: T-Shirts Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 19:15:41 -0500 Some weirdo standing in your kitchen who apparently rummaged through your mail? Mike 98 XR400 96 VFR 76 CB400F > -----Original Message----- > From: Carl Schelin [SMTP:dm_gsxr@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 7:04 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: T-Shirts > > Interesting. I ordered a dc-cycles t-shirt yesterday. Since it says it'll > take 2-3 days to process, I requested next day hoping it'd be here by > Friday. > > Guess what was here when I got home tonight. > > http://www.geocities.com/dm_gsxr/photos.html > > Carl > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes > http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 7 19:13:29 2004 From: "Rob Sharp" To: "rich hall" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: (Super Happy Fun) magnetic tank bags Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 19:14:17 -0500 *WARNING do not carry items in super happy magnetic tank bag* Rob On Wed, 7 Jan 2004 15:24:02 -0500, Rob Sharp wrote > I keep my wallet and my cell phone in the bag. However with my bag the > magnets are inside flaps off the bag so it's not sitting on a magnet. > > rob > > On Wed, 07 Jan 2004 13:03:55 -0500, rich hall wrote > > Got a smaller magnetic tank bag for Christmas. Had a warning about > > magnets and credit cards & cell phones. Didn't warn about MP3 > > players, but that's another thing I want to throw in there. Anyone > > had any problems w/ magnets on tank bags damaging anything like > > that? Thanks, Rich '02 SVS > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Tired of slow downloads? Compare online deals from your local high- > > speed providers now. https://broadband.msn.com > > -- > Rob Sharp > 1996 Honda VFR 750 > 2003 Chevy S10 Xtreme > SSCP/CCSP/CCNA 2.0/CCSA > Network Security Engineer -- Rob Sharp 1996 Honda VFR 750 2003 Chevy S10 Xtreme SSCP/CCSP/CCNA 2.0/CCSA Network Security Engineer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 7 19:27:24 2004 Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 16:27:21 -0800 (PST) From: Carl Schelin Subject: RE: T-Shirts To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Is this one of those urban legends where someone takes a picture of themselves putting a toothbrush where a toothbrush really isn't supposed to be? Cause he's certainly a weirdo. Take it from me :-) Carl --- Michael Lynch wrote: > Some weirdo standing in your kitchen who apparently rummaged through > your > mail? > > Mike > 98 XR400 > 96 VFR > 76 CB400F > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Carl Schelin [SMTP:dm_gsxr@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 7:04 PM > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: T-Shirts > > > > Interesting. I ordered a dc-cycles t-shirt yesterday. Since it says > it'll > > take 2-3 days to process, I requested next day hoping it'd be here by > > Friday. > > > > Guess what was here when I got home tonight. > > > > http://www.geocities.com/dm_gsxr/photos.html > > > > Carl > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes > > http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 7 19:44:20 2004 From: "Mobacc" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Cash at the show Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 19:40:44 -0500 Ran across this potential frowner on the MC show site: "Cash only at the ticket booth. Be prepared - the convention center may not have an ATM." Bill S. / DC '99 VN750 > How much for me? Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 7 20:11:33 2004 From: "Thomas Jordan" To: Subject: RE: DC-Cycles stickers? Cost Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 20:11:27 -0500 I also have a vinyl sticker 'machine' which will cut out any vector graphic. The actually cost of materials is just pennies. A bit of labor for weeding unwanted vinyl and application of the transfer tape though. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 8 07:53:07 2004 From: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" To: "'Rob Sharp'" , rich hall , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: magnetic tank bags Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 07:52:59 -0500 I don't have any problems with mine I have a tourmaster and it's fine. I saw this show Mythbusters and they tried to destroy a credit card with a magnet. They had a hard time doing it with all this fancy mangnets with adjustable power. They had it up all the way to some insane amount of power and the card kept going. -----Original Message----- From: Rob Sharp [mailto:rob@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 3:24 PM To: rich hall; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: magnetic tank bags I keep my wallet and my cell phone in the bag. However with my bag the magnets are inside flaps off the bag so it's not sitting on a magnet. rob On Wed, 07 Jan 2004 13:03:55 -0500, rich hall wrote > Got a smaller magnetic tank bag for Christmas. Had a warning about > magnets and credit cards & cell phones. Didn't warn about MP3 > players, but that's another thing I want to throw in there. Anyone > had any problems w/ magnets on tank bags damaging anything like > that? Thanks, Rich '02 SVS > > _________________________________________________________________ > Tired of slow downloads? Compare online deals from your local high- > speed providers now. https://broadband.msn.com -- Rob Sharp 1996 Honda VFR 750 2003 Chevy S10 Xtreme SSCP/CCSP/CCNA 2.0/CCSA Network Security Engineer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 8 07:59:27 2004 From: "Jim McGonigle" To: "'Silver, Arthur \(NIH/NIGMS\)'" , "'Rob Sharp'" , "'rich hall'" , Subject: RE: magnetic tank bags Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 07:59:27 -0500 And if it gets destroyed the cashier can type in the number and you can get a new card for free. Not much risk there... -----Original Message----- From: Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS) [mailto:Silvera@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 7:53 AM To: 'Rob Sharp'; rich hall; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: magnetic tank bags I don't have any problems with mine I have a tourmaster and it's fine. I saw this show Mythbusters and they tried to destroy a credit card with a magnet. They had a hard time doing it with all this fancy mangnets with adjustable power. They had it up all the way to some insane amount of power and the card kept going. -----Original Message----- From: Rob Sharp [mailto:rob@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 3:24 PM To: rich hall; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: magnetic tank bags I keep my wallet and my cell phone in the bag. However with my bag the magnets are inside flaps off the bag so it's not sitting on a magnet. rob On Wed, 07 Jan 2004 13:03:55 -0500, rich hall wrote > Got a smaller magnetic tank bag for Christmas. Had a warning about > magnets and credit cards & cell phones. Didn't warn about MP3 > players, but that's another thing I want to throw in there. Anyone > had any problems w/ magnets on tank bags damaging anything like > that? Thanks, Rich '02 SVS > > _________________________________________________________________ > Tired of slow downloads? Compare online deals from your local high- > speed providers now. https://broadband.msn.com -- Rob Sharp 1996 Honda VFR 750 2003 Chevy S10 Xtreme SSCP/CCSP/CCNA 2.0/CCSA Network Security Engineer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 8 08:02:52 2004 Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2004 08:02:35 -0500 From: Skip Smith To: skip@XXXXXX Subject: Car dolly/trailer help. I need a Car trailer or dolly asap in Sterling, VA. I need to get a Saturn to Front Royal today to replace the radiator and possibly the thermostat housing. or it may turn out that the block is cracked and then I'll be looking for a car. --skip 703-450-8933 h 571-228-7119 c From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 8 08:10:47 2004 Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 05:10:34 -0800 (PST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: RE: magnetic tank bags To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I was at a show, and got a free refridgerator magnet. I put in in my pocket, then when I went to go home my metro card wouldn't work. Guess the magnetic protection isn't as strong as credit cards. Louis --- "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" wrote: > I don't have any problems with mine I have a tourmaster and it's fine. I saw > this show Mythbusters and they tried to destroy a credit card with a magnet. > They had a hard time doing it with all this fancy mangnets with adjustable > power. They had it up all the way to some insane amount of power and the > card kept going. ===== "Admiral" Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours Fairfax, VA Please consider helping me support the Pediatric Brain Tumor Foundation http://www.geocities.com/nighthawk700/rideforkids.htm __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 8 08:14:38 2004 Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 05:14:30 -0800 (PST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Motorcycle Show, Parking To: DC-Cycles I'll be going to the show at the DC Convetion Center on Saturday. I want to be there around when it opens, then from 2-5 I'm working at the Ride for Kids Booth (part of the Cycle World Booth), then have to split for a dinner in Baltimore. Because of that, I need to go in via car, rather than the metro. (my wife won't go on the bike in this kind of weather!!) I'm not familiar with the area. Is there good and cheap (or even free) parking located near by? I may be working the Ride for Kids booth on Sunday too, but can pobably just take the metro for that. If not, meters are free on Sunday, right? Thanks, Louis ===== "Admiral" Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours Fairfax, VA Please consider helping me support the Pediatric Brain Tumor Foundation http://www.geocities.com/nighthawk700/rideforkids.htm __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 8 08:51:38 2004 From: "Dave Yates" To: Subject: Re: magnetic tank bags Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 08:53:18 -0500 X-ELNK-Trace: 956056117932dab21aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79e5e148b0a1d28616fa1d58ba56ec25b1350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c Louis Lamented: > I was at a show, and got a free refridgerator magnet. I put in in my pocket, > then when I went to go home my metro card wouldn't work. Guess the magnetic > protection isn't as strong as credit cards. [Dave] There's a show on Discovery called "Mythbusters" in which to guys in California tackle various myths and attempt to recreate them - JATO chebby, ... magnets and credit cards... I saw the magnet / cc episode, and they weren't able to get a single card to trip a "fault" without using some inordinate amount of power - which you wouldn't encounter in everyday life... Not that it is / was a purely scientific demonstration, but it was entertaining... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 8 09:03:59 2004 From: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" To: "'Dave Yates'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: magnetic tank bags Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 09:03:40 -0500 That's just what I said? LOL... -----Original Message----- From: Dave Yates [mailto:Dave@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 8:53 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: magnetic tank bags Louis Lamented: > I was at a show, and got a free refridgerator magnet. I put in in my pocket, > then when I went to go home my metro card wouldn't work. Guess the magnetic > protection isn't as strong as credit cards. [Dave] There's a show on Discovery called "Mythbusters" in which to guys in California tackle various myths and attempt to recreate them - JATO chebby, ... magnets and credit cards... I saw the magnet / cc episode, and they weren't able to get a single card to trip a "fault" without using some inordinate amount of power - which you wouldn't encounter in everyday life... Not that it is / was a purely scientific demonstration, but it was entertaining... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 8 09:14:15 2004 Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 06:14:07 -0800 (PST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: RE: magnetic tank bags To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX And that's also what I was answering... the metro card worked in the morning to get to the show, but after spending an hour in a pocket with the refridgerator magnet, it didn't work. Anyway, we are getting way off subject here. Louis --- "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" wrote: > That's just what I said? LOL... > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Yates [mailto:Dave@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 8:53 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: magnetic tank bags > > Louis Lamented: > > > I was at a show, and got a free refridgerator magnet. I put in in my > pocket, > > then when I went to go home my metro card wouldn't work. Guess the > magnetic > > protection isn't as strong as credit cards. > > [Dave] There's a show on Discovery called "Mythbusters" in which to guys in > California > tackle various myths and attempt to recreate them - JATO chebby, ... magnets > and credit > cards... I saw the magnet / cc episode, and they weren't able to get a > single card to trip > a "fault" without using some inordinate amount of power - which you wouldn't > encounter > in everyday life... Not that it is / was a purely scientific demonstration, > but it was > entertaining... ===== "Admiral" Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours Fairfax, VA Please consider helping me support the Pediatric Brain Tumor Foundation http://www.geocities.com/nighthawk700/rideforkids.htm __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 8 09:24:37 2004 Reply-To: "S. Russell" From: "S. Russell" To: "Louis F. Caplan" , Subject: Re: magnetic tank bags Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 09:23:21 -0500 Guess that is why everyone has multiple pockets, or they give you those free advertising bags. I have a technic magnetic bag, very awesome indeed. It replaced my tri bag on the back of my bike, which is still on there but doesn't hold too much. Scott 1984 Honda CB700SC Nighthawk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Louis F. Caplan" To: Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 9:14 AM Subject: RE: magnetic tank bags > And that's also what I was answering... the metro card worked in the morning to > get to the show, but after spending an hour in a pocket with the refridgerator > magnet, it didn't work. Anyway, we are getting way off subject here. > > Louis > > --- "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" wrote: > > That's just what I said? LOL... > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Dave Yates [mailto:Dave@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 8:53 AM > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Re: magnetic tank bags > > > > Louis Lamented: > > > > > I was at a show, and got a free refridgerator magnet. I put in in my > > pocket, > > > then when I went to go home my metro card wouldn't work. Guess the > > magnetic > > > protection isn't as strong as credit cards. > > > > [Dave] There's a show on Discovery called "Mythbusters" in which to guys in > > California > > tackle various myths and attempt to recreate them - JATO chebby, ... magnets > > and credit > > cards... I saw the magnet / cc episode, and they weren't able to get a > > single card to trip > > a "fault" without using some inordinate amount of power - which you wouldn't > > encounter > > in everyday life... Not that it is / was a purely scientific demonstration, > > but it was > > entertaining... > > > ===== > "Admiral" Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours Fairfax, VA > Please consider helping me support the Pediatric Brain Tumor Foundation > http://www.geocities.com/nighthawk700/rideforkids.htm > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes > http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 8 09:26:04 2004 Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2004 09:25:47 -0500 From: Skip Smith To: skip@XXXXXX Subject: Got a dolly, need a truck I've got a dolly (U-Haul in Sterling, $40), now I need a truck to tow it with (the one that I was going to use I cannot). any help would be great. --skip 703-450-8933 h 571-228-7119 c From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 8 09:28:55 2004 Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2004 09:28:37 -0500 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: dm_gsxr@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: T-Shirts X-AOL-IP: 12.36.128.140 Cool. I think I ordered mine standard shipping so, I should get it next week. Luckily, I have one of the original shirts anyway. :-) Scooter In a message dated 1/7/2004 7:03:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, dm_gsxr@XXXXXX writes: > > > Interesting. I ordered a dc-cycles t-shirt yesterday. Since it says it'll > take 2-3 days to process, I requested next day hoping it'd > be here by > Friday. > > Guess what was here when I got home tonight. > > http://www.geocities.com/dm_gsxr/photos.html > > Carl > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes > http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 8 09:34:49 2004 From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: T-Shirts Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 9:34:42 -0500 > In a message dated 1/7/2004 7:03:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, dm_gsxr@XXXXXX writes: > > > > > > > Interesting. I ordered a dc-cycles t-shirt yesterday. Since it says it'll > > take 2-3 days to process, I requested next day hoping it'd > > be here by > > Friday. > > > > Guess what was here when I got home tonight. > > > > http://www.geocities.com/dm_gsxr/photos.html > > > > Carl > > ...you got a man wearing a t-shirt? Yeech. ;-) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 8 09:38:38 2004 Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2004 09:38:30 -0500 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: mobacc@XXXXXX, DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Cash at the show X-AOL-IP: 12.36.128.140 According to the floor plans on their website, www.dcconvention.com, they do have ATM's inside the convention center on the lobby level. So, you should have no problems getting money there. I thought I saw them last time I was there. Scooter In a message dated 1/7/2004 7:40:44 PM Eastern Standard Time, mobacc@XXXXXX writes: > > > Ran across this potential frowner on the MC show site: > > "Cash only at the ticket booth. Be prepared - the > convention center may not > have an ATM." > > > Bill S. / DC > '99 VN750 > How much for me? > Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 8 10:12:46 2004 Subject: RE: magnetic tank bags From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 08 Jan 2004 10:09:05 -0500 On Thu, 2004-01-08 at 09:14, Louis F. Caplan wrote: > And that's also what I was answering... the metro card worked in the morning to > get to the show, but after spending an hour in a pocket with the refridgerator > magnet, it didn't work. Anyway, we are getting way off subject here. > It has something to do with the re-writeable cards. A credit card should have a stronger "signal" since it has to last 2 or 3 years, than a metro card that's "burned" at the machine and only used for a relatively short time. A couple of years ago there were complaints noted in the Post from people who had metro cards in their brief cases and had set it on the floor. The electricity from the hot rail was eraseing some cards. > Louis > Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 8 12:18:30 2004 From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Cc: "'psycleman@XXXXXX'" Subject: DC Cycles Tee Shirt Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 12:23:18 -0500 Scott Reported: "If people want, I will get shirts priced again. I like logo 8 on front and logo 11 on the back. http://www.dc-cycles.org/logo.html I have a great printer in the area, does great work. Your input is welcome, white shirt or black, get both long and short sleeves. Scott" Grey? Shows less dirt than white Doesn't fade like black. A particularity good color for us bureaucrats. :^) Carl in Bethesda. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 8 14:19:41 2004 Subject: Tank Shipping Question From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 08 Jan 2004 14:16:07 -0500 Ok, when I took the gas tank out of the shipping box, the gas cap was extremly hard to remove (I used channel locks). I also noticed some yellow/white glue looking drippings on the tank. I almost want to say the tank was glued shut. There wasn't any evidence of glue on the cap or opening (it was a turn and lock rather than a screw on) and it looks fine otherwise. Afterwards, the cap went on and locked with no problem and came off with about the effort you'd expect with this sort of cap. When you ship a gas tank, is there some requirement for a strict seal or was this guy being a dick-head? I mean, he already was a dick-head (if you read my project journel) but was this icing on the cake or something he had to do? Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 8 14:25:56 2004 Subject: Shameless Plug here Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 14:27:19 -0500 From: "Julian Halton" To: For those of you attending the show and for those of you who care enough to forward this shameless plug to any cute single chicks you know, I recently found out that my mug made the http://personals.salon.com home page. As this is part of my 15 minutes of fame and you never know where these things may lead in terms of opportunities...look for the shaven head and yes I am still going to be at Austin grill for lunch at 11:30 Saturday. Cheers good riding and watch out for the VA "man". His presence is everywhere. Revenues must be short this month. -----Original Message----- From: Carl Schelin [mailto:cschelin@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 2:16 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Tank Shipping Question Ok, when I took the gas tank out of the shipping box, the gas cap was extremly hard to remove (I used channel locks). I also noticed some yellow/white glue looking drippings on the tank. I almost want to say the tank was glued shut. There wasn't any evidence of glue on the cap or opening (it was a turn and lock rather than a screw on) and it looks fine otherwise. Afterwards, the cap went on and locked with no problem and came off with about the effort you'd expect with this sort of cap. When you ship a gas tank, is there some requirement for a strict seal or was this guy being a dick-head? I mean, he already was a dick-head (if you read my project journel) but was this icing on the cake or something he had to do? Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 8 14:37:22 2004 Subject: Re: Shameless Plug here From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 08 Jan 2004 14:33:48 -0500 On Thu, 2004-01-08 at 14:27, Julian Halton wrote: > For those of you attending the show and for those of you who care enough > to forward this shameless plug to any cute single chicks you know, I > recently found out that my mug made the > http://personals.salon.com home page. Woah. Good luck with that. Rita and I hooked up through a 'net personals ad quite by accident. > As this is part of my 15 minutes > of fame and you never know where these things may lead in terms of > opportunities...look for the shaven head and yes I am still going to be > at Austin grill for lunch at 11:30 Saturday. > I'm still waiting on what Rita's interested in doing. She may pull us off to an entirely different eating establishment. > Cheers good riding and watch out for the VA "man". His presence is > everywhere. Revenues must be short this month. > Watch yer back. Traffic sucks real bad. Lots of close calls these past couple of nights including some clueless guy in a green station wagon with his windows so yellowed with smoke, I can't imagine how he can see. He heard my horn and saw me shaking my fist at him when he pitched his 'butt' out the window though. I'd be happy if the LEO's would attend to HOV scofflaws. Then I could speed down the highway :-) Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 8 14:42:21 2004 Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2004 13:42:20 -0600 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: I wish my motor sounded like this... On board video from Valentino Rossi's Honda V5 MotoGP bike. http://images.motograndprix.com/multimedia2/247/247619.wmv Wow. -Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 8 15:07:59 2004 From: Bob Meyer Reply-To: rmeyer9@XXXXXX To: "Louis F. Caplan" , DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Motorcycle Show, Parking Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 15:07:50 -0500 > > From: "Louis F. Caplan" > Date: 2004/01/08 Thu AM 08:14:30 EST > To: DC-Cycles > Subject: Motorcycle Show, Parking > > I'll be going to the show at the DC Convetion Center on Saturday. I want to be > there around when it opens, then from 2-5 I'm working at the Ride for Kids > Booth (part of the Cycle World Booth), then have to split for a dinner in > Baltimore. Because of that, I need to go in via car, rather than the metro. > (my wife won't go on the bike in this kind of weather!!) I'm not familiar with > the area. Is there good and cheap (or even free) parking located near by? > > I may be working the Ride for Kids booth on Sunday too, but can pobably just > take the metro for that. If not, meters are free on Sunday, right? > Yes, meters are free on Sunday, but good luck finding one. If you drive around the area for a while you might get lucky, but street parking down there is crowded even when there's not something at the CC. There are plenty of underground, and a few surface lots, in the area though. The surface lots (if they're open on Sunday--not sure) are about $7 a day. Underground lots will cost you more than that even for a couple of hours. Good luck, Bob Meyer, STOC @ 1157 '01 ST1100 A, "teSTarossa" '92 ST1100, "red STag" '02 919, "still looking for a name" A steady job and a wife have ruined more good bikers.... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 8 16:27:15 2004 From: To: Carl Schelin , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Tank Shipping Question Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 16:27:01 -0500 Carl, It *very* possible that he used a sealant over the outside of the tank. The same people who make the tank acid cleaner now make an outside sealant to protect the paint when the cleaner is used. I heard that it washes off with warm soap and water so you may want to give that a try. He may have had to do that to prevent any moisture from getting in or to prevent any residual fumes from getting out. You'll know if it's the same type of sealant I'm talking about if you can wipe off the outside with soap and water and it comes right off. -aki > > From: Carl Schelin > Date: 2004/01/08 Thu PM 02:16:07 EST > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Tank Shipping Question > > Ok, when I took the gas tank out of the shipping box, the gas cap was > extremly hard to remove (I used channel locks). I also noticed some > yellow/white glue looking drippings on the tank. I almost want to say > the tank was glued shut. There wasn't any evidence of glue on the cap or > opening (it was a turn and lock rather than a screw on) and it looks > fine otherwise. > > Afterwards, the cap went on and locked with no problem and came off with > about the effort you'd expect with this sort of cap. > > When you ship a gas tank, is there some requirement for a strict seal or > was this guy being a dick-head? I mean, he already was a dick-head (if > you read my project journel) but was this icing on the cake or something > he had to do? > > Carl > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 8 16:38:14 2004 Subject: Re: Tank Shipping Question From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 08 Jan 2004 16:34:40 -0500 On Thu, 2004-01-08 at 16:27, adamme1@XXXXXX wrote: > Carl, > > It *very* possible that he used a sealant over the outside of the tank. > The same people who make the tank acid cleaner now make an outside > sealant to protect the paint when the cleaner is used. I heard that > it washes off with warm soap and water so you may want to give that a > try. He may have had to do that to prevent any moisture from getting > in or to prevent any residual fumes from getting out. You'll know if > it's the same type of sealant I'm talking about if you can wipe off > the outside with soap and water and it comes right off. > I'll look again except that it only seems to be on the left side of the opening and as drips and runs. Basically take the cap, put wood glue on the threads and turn it over as you put it on the tank. The couple of drips on the left side is what you'd get as it slopped out of the threads. The fuel lines were cut at the tank side (leaving an inch or so of line attached) and the fuel cock was opened (or opened in transit). I'll try the soap and water though, thanks. > -aki > Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 8 16:39:56 2004 Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 13:39:49 -0800 (PST) From: Adam Reinhardt Subject: Motor oil on air filter To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Today my crankcase breather spit up a fair amount of oil onto my K&N pod filters. The oil is enough to have collected into small drops and has soaked about half of the left filter (two filters, GS500) My question is will the K&N cleaning solution get rid of the motor oil build up or is there another course of action that I need to take? Thanks Adam 91 GS500 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 8 16:46:43 2004 From: To: Carl Schelin , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: Tank Shipping Question Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 16:46:36 -0500 >From what I've seen the stuff is pretty clear and almost looks like clearcoat so if *may* be all over the tank but was just put on a little to heavy on one side. good luck. Of course, the guy could of just been an a**hole. 8-P -aki > > From: Carl Schelin > Date: 2004/01/08 Thu PM 04:34:40 EST > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Tank Shipping Question > > On Thu, 2004-01-08 at 16:27, adamme1@XXXXXX wrote: > > Carl, > > > > It *very* possible that he used a sealant over the outside of the tank. > > The same people who make the tank acid cleaner now make an outside > > sealant to protect the paint when the cleaner is used. I heard that > > it washes off with warm soap and water so you may want to give that a > > try. He may have had to do that to prevent any moisture from getting > > in or to prevent any residual fumes from getting out. You'll know if > > it's the same type of sealant I'm talking about if you can wipe off > > the outside with soap and water and it comes right off. > > > > I'll look again except that it only seems to be on the left side of the > opening and as drips and runs. Basically take the cap, put wood glue on > the threads and turn it over as you put it on the tank. The couple of > drips on the left side is what you'd get as it slopped out of the > threads. > > The fuel lines were cut at the tank side (leaving an inch or so of line > attached) and the fuel cock was opened (or opened in transit). > > I'll try the soap and water though, thanks. > > > -aki > > > > Carl > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 8 16:54:29 2004 Subject: Re: Re: Tank Shipping Question From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 08 Jan 2004 16:50:56 -0500 On Thu, 2004-01-08 at 16:46, adamme1@XXXXXX wrote: > >From what I've seen the stuff is pretty clear and almost looks like > clearcoat so if *may* be all over the tank but was just put on a little > to heavy on one side. The tank does have a slight plastic/greasy feel to it. That's possible. The bit I'm talking about just popped off of the tank though. I'll look later. > > good luck. > >From poking around inside and examining the outside, there's a couple of very small dents; no big deal and a tiny bit of paint cracking on the bottom. The inside smells like fresh gas rather than the smell of lacquer. Basically I'm very pleased with the purchase, just suspicious of the incidental stuff. > Of course, the guy could of just been an a**hole. 8-P > Well yea. We already think that :-) > -aki > Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 8 20:15:11 2004 Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 20:15:07 -0500 From: Kendall Clark To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Yamaha dealer reccomendation? Reply-To: kendall@XXXXXX Folks, First, I appreciate all the advice (even the advice I've chosen to ignore!) re: my question a few weeks back about dealers in the area. After a lot of back-and-forth, I've decided to buy a Yamaha (the model of which I'm keeping to myself to avoid more "newbies always drop bikes, you're an idiot" emails :> ); my credit union gave me the green light and my State Farm agent may well write a moto policy for me (apparently they don't do this often in the District), so it's time to make a deal. I'm prepared to drive to any Yamaha dealer within, say, an hour's drive to try to save some $$ under MSRP (I'm not buying a bike that's particularly hot or hard to get, near as I can tell). Thus I'm curious as to which dealers you all will recommend. What I care about (in order of preference) is willingness to deal, courteous treatment, and bikes in stock. Any advice is appreciated. Thanks, Kendall Clark PS--Okay, so I'm getting an FZ1, but please don't tell me how awful a decision this is for a (relatively) new driver. I'm fully informed of those opinions, promise! :> From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 8 21:17:41 2004 From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Bike Show this weekend Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 15:54:05 -0500 And allowed to remain even afterwards... ;^) Perry >From: Tom Gimer >To: "Daniel H. Brown" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: RE: Bike Show this weekend >Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 12:40:24 -0800 (PST) > [snip] > >tg (admitted to dcc prior to becoming an attorney) > _________________________________________________________________ Check your PC for viruses with the FREE McAfee online computer scan. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 8 21:36:27 2004 Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 18:36:19 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Yamaha dealer reccomendation? To: kendall@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Fredericktown Yamaha Triumph Grove Rd & Rt 355 Frederick, MD 21701-7222 Phone: (301) 663-8333 when a friend purchased an '02 fz1, they matched the price of the romney dealer (best price in the area but more than an hour away from you, for sure) --- Kendall Clark wrote: > Folks, > > First, I appreciate all the advice (even the advice I've > chosen to > ignore!) re: my question a few weeks back about dealers > in the > area. After a lot of back-and-forth, I've decided to buy > a Yamaha (the > model of which I'm keeping to myself to avoid more > "newbies always > drop bikes, you're an idiot" emails :> ); my credit union > gave me the > green light and my State Farm agent may well write a moto > policy for > me (apparently they don't do this often in the District), > so it's time > to make a deal. > > I'm prepared to drive to any Yamaha dealer within, say, > an hour's > drive to try to save some $$ under MSRP (I'm not buying a > bike that's > particularly hot or hard to get, near as I can tell). > Thus I'm curious > as to which dealers you all will recommend. What I care > about (in > order of preference) is willingness to deal, courteous > treatment, and > bikes in stock. > > Any advice is appreciated. > > Thanks, > Kendall Clark > > PS--Okay, so I'm getting an FZ1, but please don't tell me > how awful a > decision this is for a (relatively) new driver. I'm fully > informed of > those opinions, promise! :> > ===== Thomas H. Gimer MURPHY & GIMER, LLC 7940A Wisconsin Avenue Bethesda, MD 20814 301 913-0060 ext. 11; 301 913-5415 (fax) http://www.murphygimer.com **This material is being sent by a law firm and is intended only for the addressee. Various legal protections including the attorney-client privilege can apply to this material and no consent is given to its being read or used by anyone other than the intended recipient. Any other use is unlawful. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 8 21:48:39 2004 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 21:48:31 EST Subject: Re: Motor oil on air filter To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 1/8/2004 4:40:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, ajreinhardt@XXXXXX writes: > Today my crankcase breather spit up a fair amount of > oil onto my K&N pod filters. They are supposed to have oil on them. What I would want to know is why is your bike puking up oil? Did you over fill it? Did you leave your fuel on and have it drain into your crankcase? Why? Loud pipes quell cells. 20-20 hindsight shows the future if you are not careful. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 8 21:51:02 2004 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 21:50:54 EST Subject: Re: Motor oil on air filter To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 1/8/2004 9:48:56 PM Eastern Standard Time, PenguinBiker@XXXXXX writes: > Why? do you have those little pod filters when the stock one is so much bigger? John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 00:24:40 2004 Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 21:24:31 -0800 (PST) From: Adam Reinhardt Subject: Re: Motor oil on air filter To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > They are supposed to have oil on them. > What I would want to know is why is your bike puking > up oil? > Did you over fill it? > Did you leave your fuel on and have it drain into > your crankcase? Well I did not overfill the oil. However, I did leave the fuel on for three weeks while I was out of town. I'm not sure how fuel would have gotten into the crankcase though and how that would cause oil to leak from the crankcase vent filter. Adam __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 10:44:25 2004 Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 07:44:01 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: where are all the "I rode in today" posts? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Or are we all boning up on press material in preparation for the unvailing of the show this afternoon? For me the situation this morning was tolerable - tonight I doubt I'm going to brave the country-bumpkin 2-lanes. Amazingly my petcock froze/blocked after 40 minutes of solid riding. Can't explain that one. good thing 'prime' works. ===== "Be kind and compassionate to one another, forgiving each other, just as in Christ God forgave you." Ephesians 4:32 Hurt and disappointment enter every marriage from time to time. When this happens, we choose to either forgive or develop resentment. Love will not last if we do not learn to forgive. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 10:57:30 2004 Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 07:57:27 -0800 (PST) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: where are all the "I rode in today" posts? On Fri, 9 Jan 2004, matthew patton wrote: > Amazingly my petcock froze/blocked after 40 minutes of solid riding. My Reserve setting has been acting up for the last couple of fillups; I've had to switch to Prime to keep moving since the weather got cold. Plus the bike has been tough to start; whicka-whicka-whicka-*BACKFIRE*-start. *shrug* No real problems getting in this morning, although I rode in pretty early, before the inevitable traffic started. The snow wasn't even sticking until well into VA (past the Point Of No Return) -- I'm hoping the snow dies down and traffic doesn't get too bad before the return home, otherwise I may need to call SWMBO for a ride. Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 10:58:31 2004 Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 07:58:28 -0800 (PST) From: Carl Schelin Subject: I stayed home (was: Re: where are all the "I rode in today" posts?) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I considered it and even Rita was surprised when I hopped into the car to catch the VRE. Good thing too. I was sliding on the way out and Darbydale was blocked in both directions with multi-car accidents. A van was sideways on the western end with one car dented and a couple of cars behind her. I couldn't see the other end of Darbydale but cars were turning around and coming back. Coming down Eastlawn found a school bus sideways blocking 3/4's of the road with a van in front of her spinning his wheels. We "slipped" by and went back home. Now I'm here with 4 computers up and running and logged in to work. I just got out of a telecon meeting and am reviewing tickets. I don't _need_ to go to work :-) Carl --- matthew patton wrote: > Or are we all boning up on press material in preparation for the > unvailing of the show this afternoon? For me the situation this morning > was tolerable - tonight I doubt I'm going to brave the country-bumpkin > 2-lanes. Amazingly my petcock froze/blocked after 40 minutes of solid > riding. Can't explain that one. good thing 'prime' works. > > ===== > "Be kind and compassionate to one another, forgiving each > other, just as in Christ God forgave you." Ephesians 4:32 > > Hurt and disappointment enter every marriage from time to time. > When this happens, we choose to either forgive or develop > resentment. Love will not last if we do not learn to forgive. > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 10:58:33 2004 From: "Dave Yates" To: Subject: Re: where are all the "I rode in today" posts? Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 10:58:15 -0500 X-ELNK-Trace: 956056117932dab21aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79e169e7b85efdb1409867ec99fcf25edf350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c Matt sarcastically lobbed this grenade: > Or are we all boning up on press material in preparation for the > unvailing of the show this afternoon? For me the situation this morning > was tolerable [Dave] Shyeah. Stupidly, I thought - bah! less than an inch, I'll be in under 1 hour (it's only 9 miles). WRONG. All I had to do was get from Mount Vernon to Seminary / 395. 1N - all stop. Kings hwy - all stop. Back roads leading from Kings to Telegraph - all stop. 90 minutes and I travelled all of 4 miles - 2 away from the house, 2 back. Once I turned south, it took 8 minutes to get home. FTS - that's why I have DSL. I _DID_ see some guy braving the elements on a scooter ! Chuck Taylor high tops, jeans and an open face helmet - Kings hwy south about 0740... brrrr... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 11:04:32 2004 Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 08:04:29 -0800 (PST) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Re: where are all the "I rode in today" posts? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX There was a news report live from the convention center this morning. They were showing off some of the bikes and interviewing a couple of folks including "Mr. Motorcycle". The promoter said that last year had some 600,000 thousand visitors to the show and last weekend in New York there were 91,000. She asked about the demographics of bikers. He said that the baby boomers were getting in to the cruisers and that the kids, who watched the extreme biking shows were looking at dirt bikes. No comment about sport bikers :-) Mr. Motorcycle commented that if your bike was two years old, it's out of date and you need a new bike now ;-) Lots of new stuff happening in the past couple of years and it shows in the new bikes. Tomorrow should be interesting. Carl --- matthew patton wrote: > Or are we all boning up on press material in preparation for the > unvailing of the show this afternoon? For me the situation this morning > was tolerable - tonight I doubt I'm going to brave the country-bumpkin > 2-lanes. Amazingly my petcock froze/blocked after 40 minutes of solid > riding. Can't explain that one. good thing 'prime' works. > > ===== > "Be kind and compassionate to one another, forgiving each > other, just as in Christ God forgave you." Ephesians 4:32 > > Hurt and disappointment enter every marriage from time to time. > When this happens, we choose to either forgive or develop > resentment. Love will not last if we do not learn to forgive. > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 11:05:49 2004 Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2004 11:05:55 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: where are all the "I rode in today" posts? Took the F150 out to bring my wife to work. Made it to Davis Ford / Yates Ford and cops turned us around. A bike out here (Manassas area) would be crazy on the back roads. It was solid ice, cars everywhere. Saw a trash truck sliding down a hill, unable to stop. Returned home for a day of watching the dogs run around in the snow. At 10:44 AM 1/9/2004, matthew patton wrote: >Or are we all boning up on press material in preparation for the >unvailing of the show this afternoon? For me the situation this morning >was tolerable - tonight I doubt I'm going to brave the country-bumpkin >2-lanes. Amazingly my petcock froze/blocked after 40 minutes of solid >riding. Can't explain that one. good thing 'prime' works. _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 11:14:53 2004 Subject: RE: where are all the "I rode in today" posts? Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 11:14:43 -0500 From: "Verde, Robert" To: "matthew patton" , I thought there was a moratorium on "rode in today" posts? ;-) The ride from Seven Corners to Reston via Rt. 7 was a zoo this morning; apparent accident near the Rt. 7/Rt. 29 intersection in Falls Church, then another at the intersection of Baron Cameron and Rt. 7, where I usually turn. Took me two freaking hours to go 15 miles... The only effect of the cold I've noticed is that my locks freeze up (almost twisted off my ignition key), and the tach stops working when it's below twenty or so. Need to get a small canister of WD-40 for the locks, I used Honda chain lube as an experiment, and although it worked, it looks a bit odd. On the bike show topic (I've never been to one); will vendors be selling gear and accessories there? I'm looking for another helmet, and wouldn't mind checkiing out a selection at the show, but if it's mostly geared towards bike sales, I'll shop elsewhere. I'm looking for a Nolan N-100, any tips for a dealer closer than Jessup, MD? Robert -----Original Message----- From: matthew patton [mailto:pattonme@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 10:44 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: where are all the "I rode in today" posts? Or are we all boning up on press material in preparation for the unvailing of the show this afternoon? For me the situation this morning was tolerable - tonight I doubt I'm going to brave the country-bumpkin 2-lanes. Amazingly my petcock froze/blocked after 40 minutes of solid riding. Can't explain that one. good thing 'prime' works. ===== "Be kind and compassionate to one another, forgiving each other, just as in Christ God forgave you." Ephesians 4:32 Hurt and disappointment enter every marriage from time to time. When this happens, we choose to either forgive or develop resentment. Love will not last if we do not learn to forgive. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 11:27:03 2004 From: To: "Verde, Robert" , "matthew patton" , Subject: Re: RE: where are all the "I rode in today" posts? Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 11:26:56 -0500 We left Herndon at 7:15 this morning and pulled into Judiciary Square at 10:30. Major PITA. > > From: "Verde, Robert" > Date: 2004/01/09 Fri AM 11:14:43 EST > To: "matthew patton" , > Subject: RE: where are all the "I rode in today" posts? > > I thought there was a moratorium on "rode in today" posts? ;-) > > The ride from Seven Corners to Reston via Rt. 7 was a zoo this morning; apparent accident near the Rt. 7/Rt. 29 intersection in Falls Church, then another at the intersection of Baron Cameron and Rt. 7, where I usually turn. Took me two freaking hours to go 15 miles... > > The only effect of the cold I've noticed is that my locks freeze up (almost twisted off my ignition key), and the tach stops working when it's below twenty or so. Need to get a small canister of WD-40 for the locks, I used Honda chain lube as an experiment, and although it worked, it looks a bit odd. > > On the bike show topic (I've never been to one); will vendors be selling gear and accessories there? I'm looking for another helmet, and wouldn't mind checkiing out a selection at the show, but if it's mostly geared towards bike sales, I'll shop elsewhere. I'm looking for a Nolan N-100, any tips for a dealer closer than Jessup, MD? > > > Robert > > > -----Original Message----- > From: matthew patton [mailto:pattonme@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 10:44 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: where are all the "I rode in today" posts? > > > Or are we all boning up on press material in preparation for the > unvailing of the show this afternoon? For me the situation this morning > was tolerable - tonight I doubt I'm going to brave the country-bumpkin > 2-lanes. Amazingly my petcock froze/blocked after 40 minutes of solid > riding. Can't explain that one. good thing 'prime' works. > > ===== > "Be kind and compassionate to one another, forgiving each > other, just as in Christ God forgave you." Ephesians 4:32 > > Hurt and disappointment enter every marriage from time to time. > When this happens, we choose to either forgive or develop > resentment. Love will not last if we do not learn to forgive. > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 11:33:16 2004 From: Michael Lynch To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: where are all the "I rode in today" posts? Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 11:39:06 -0500 Only my street was snow covered, everything else was wet. Lanesplit the XR past a whole gaggle of moto cops on 15th St near Constitution, which, by the way, 14th was closed off at Constitution. :-/ What's with the popo presence lately? I noticed it yesterday with a lot of uniformed "extras" for a "movie shoot" near the WH, a lot of "utility vehicles" around and an unusual number of trenchcoat wearin', sunglass sportin', extra large briefcase totin' "business men" meandering aimlessly around the streets like they really had no place to be. Any LEO's able to confirm or deny the possibility of something afoot? Mike 98 XR400 96 VFR 76 CB400F > -----Original Message----- > From: Verde, Robert [SMTP:Robert.Verde@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 11:15 AM > To: matthew patton; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: where are all the "I rode in today" posts? > > I thought there was a moratorium on "rode in today" posts? ;-) > > The ride from Seven Corners to Reston via Rt. 7 was a zoo this morning; > apparent accident near the Rt. 7/Rt. 29 intersection in Falls Church, then > another at the intersection of Baron Cameron and Rt. 7, where I usually > turn. Took me two freaking hours to go 15 miles... > > The only effect of the cold I've noticed is that my locks freeze up > (almost twisted off my ignition key), and the tach stops working when it's > below twenty or so. Need to get a small canister of WD-40 for the locks, > I used Honda chain lube as an experiment, and although it worked, it looks > a bit odd. > > On the bike show topic (I've never been to one); will vendors be selling > gear and accessories there? I'm looking for another helmet, and wouldn't > mind checkiing out a selection at the show, but if it's mostly geared > towards bike sales, I'll shop elsewhere. I'm looking for a Nolan N-100, > any tips for a dealer closer than Jessup, MD? > > > Robert > > > -----Original Message----- > From: matthew patton [mailto:pattonme@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 10:44 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: where are all the "I rode in today" posts? > > > Or are we all boning up on press material in preparation for the > unvailing of the show this afternoon? For me the situation this morning > was tolerable - tonight I doubt I'm going to brave the country-bumpkin > 2-lanes. Amazingly my petcock froze/blocked after 40 minutes of solid > riding. Can't explain that one. good thing 'prime' works. > > ===== > "Be kind and compassionate to one another, forgiving each > other, just as in Christ God forgave you." Ephesians 4:32 > > Hurt and disappointment enter every marriage from time to time. > When this happens, we choose to either forgive or develop > resentment. Love will not last if we do not learn to forgive. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 11:36:02 2004 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Verde, Robert" , "matthew patton" , Subject: Re: where are all the "I rode in today" posts? Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 11:31:55 -0500 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Verde, Robert" > I thought there was a moratorium on "rode in today" posts? ;-) > > The ride from Seven Corners to Reston via Rt. 7 was a zoo this morning; apparent accident near the Rt. 7/Rt. 29 intersection in Falls Church, then another at the intersection of Baron Cameron and Rt. 7, where I usually turn. Took me two freaking hours to go 15 miles... > > The only effect of the cold I've noticed is that my locks freeze up (almost twisted off my ignition key), and the tach stops working when it's below twenty or so. Need to get a small canister of WD-40 for the locks, I used Honda chain lube as an experiment, and although it worked, it looks a bit odd. > > On the bike show topic (I've never been to one); will vendors be selling gear and accessories there? I'm looking for another helmet, and wouldn't mind checkiing out a selection at the show, but if it's mostly geared towards bike sales, I'll shop elsewhere. I'm looking for a Nolan N-100, any tips for a dealer closer than Jessup, MD? > > > Robert > Rode to work on the VF. No problems. My ignition switch was frozen yesterday, though. WD40 and little application of heat put that right. DC seemed to be pretty much on the ball with the de-icer treatment on my route by the time I left the house at 0830. If I had to be at work earlier, I probably would not have opted for the bike. There was a mini-pileup on one of the 12th St. ramps from earlier in the morning. Looks like a dump truck lost control and crunched a little econobox. And a cager lost it on the Four Mile Run bridge on the GW Parkway and ended up in the ditch facing 180 degrees from his intended path of travel. As for the bike show, in past years there's not a lot to buy, in my experience. Some "OK" deals but nothing spectacular. YMMV. Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - www.wilsonline.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 11:36:06 2004 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Carl Schelin" , Subject: Re: where are all the "I rode in today" posts? Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 11:34:48 -0500 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl Schelin" > > Mr. Motorcycle commented that if your bike was two years old, it's out of > date and you need a new bike now ;-) > > Carl > So *that's* what I've been doing wrong all these years. I've been feeling so unfulfilled. ;-) I'll run that by the "War Dept." as see if it cuts any ice. Going to the show tomorrow, "War Dept." in tow. Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - www.wilsonline.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 11:41:15 2004 Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2004 11:38:42 -0500 To: Fish Flowers , DC-Cycles From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: where are all the "I rode in today" posts? At 07:57 AM 1/9/04 -0800, Fish Flowers wrote: >On Fri, 9 Jan 2004, matthew patton wrote: > >> Amazingly my petcock froze/blocked after 40 minutes of solid riding. > >My Reserve setting has been acting up for the last couple of fillups; I've >had to switch to Prime to keep moving since the weather got cold. Plus the >bike has been tough to start; whicka-whicka-whicka-*BACKFIRE*-start. >*shrug* Maybe it's just lost too many parts? :^) Seriously, could be water in the gas I think. Draining it would be one solution (if you can get it above freezing for a while), but I think there are gas treatments you can add that will scavenge up the water and let it burn off with the gas. >No real problems getting in this morning, although I rode in pretty early, >before the inevitable traffic started. The snow wasn't even sticking until >well into VA (past the Point Of No Return) -- I'm hoping the snow dies >down and traffic doesn't get too bad before the return home, otherwise I >may need to call SWMBO for a ride. Snow? You have snow? -- Mike B. **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 11:41:20 2004 Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2004 11:43:13 -0500 To: Carl Schelin , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: where are all the "I rode in today" posts? At 08:04 AM 1/9/04 -0800, Carl Schelin wrote: >The promoter said that last year had some 600,000 thousand visitors to the >show and last weekend in New York there were 91,000. At $15 a head? That's $9 million over 3 days. I'm in the wrong business! Wonder what it costs to rent the convention center... No snow up here in Maryland...no precip at all in fact. Dry roads... -- Mike B. **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 11:44:23 2004 Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2004 11:45:49 -0500 To: "Verde, Robert" , "matthew patton" , From: Mike Bartman Subject: RE: where are all the "I rode in today" posts? At 11:14 AM 1/9/04 -0500, Verde, Robert wrote: >Need to get a small canister of WD-40 for the locks, I used Honda chain lube as an experiment, and although it worked, it looks a bit odd. I've always thought that graphite works better as a lock lube. Doesn't attract dirt...though with remote keyless entry, it's less of an issue than it used to be on my older cars. -- Mike B. **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 11:54:13 2004 Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 08:54:10 -0800 (PST) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Re: where are all the "I rode in today" posts? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Mike Bartman wrote: > At 08:04 AM 1/9/04 -0800, Carl Schelin wrote: > > >The promoter said that last year had some 600,000 thousand visitors to > the > >show and last weekend in New York there were 91,000. > > At $15 a head? That's $9 million over 3 days. I'm in the wrong > business! > Wonder what it costs to rent the convention center... Actually I thought it was $12 a head... yea: http://wdc.motorcycleshows.com/imswdc/V40/index.cvn says $12 for an Adult. > > No snow up here in Maryland...no precip at all in fact. Dry roads... Must be nice for a change :-) > > -- Mike B. Carl __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 12:54:49 2004 Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2004 12:53:03 -0500 To: Carl Schelin , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: where are all the "I rode in today" posts? At 08:54 AM 1/9/04 -0800, Carl Schelin wrote: >--- Mike Bartman wrote: >Actually I thought it was $12 a head... yea: Thanks! I must have been thinking of last week's moto show. Well, gee, that makes the gross only $7.2 million for the weekend. Hardly worth bothering with... :^) >> No snow up here in Maryland...no precip at all in fact. Dry roads... > >Must be nice for a change :-) Yep! No commute, so it's not critical, but it's nice to have an after-work ride as an option. :^) -- Mike B. **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 12:59:28 2004 Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2004 13:01:28 -0500 To: Carl Schelin , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: where are all the "I rode in today" posts? At 08:54 AM 1/9/04 -0800, Carl Schelin wrote: >http://wdc.motorcycleshows.com/imswdc/V40/index.cvn I think I know why tourists get lost in DC so much. The directions to the show include these steps: 16: Turn SLIGHT RIGHT onto K ST NW. 0.5 miles Map 17: Turn RIGHT onto K ST NW. 0.3 miles Map 18: Turn LEFT onto K ST NW. 0.5 miles Map 19: Stay straight to go onto K ST NW/US-29. K St NW sure is a hard road to stay on, and it seems to twist every which way trying to throw you off! :^) Very strange, since when I've been on K street, it seemed pretty straight to me... -- Mike B. **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 13:10:39 2004 Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 13:10:35 -0500 (EST) From: KR To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: where are all the "I rode in today" posts? Bob&Tom: They're not just in INDY anymore! On Fri, 9 Jan 2004, matthew patton wrote: >Or are we all boning up on press material in preparation for the >unvailing of the show this afternoon? For me the situation this morning >was tolerable - tonight I doubt I'm going to brave the country-bumpkin >2-lanes. Amazingly my petcock froze/blocked after 40 minutes of solid >riding. Can't explain that one. good thing 'prime' works. When I rode in prior to 6 a.m., I didn't experience any of the dire conditions the online edition of the WP describes. It was snowing lightly, but I didn't detect any slipperiness along the I-95 HOV corridor. Maybe all of the mess occured later in the morning... K. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 13:26:45 2004 Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 10:26:37 -0800 (PST) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Re: where are all the "I rode in today" posts? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- KR wrote: > On Fri, 9 Jan 2004, matthew patton wrote: > > When I rode in prior to 6 a.m., I didn't experience any of the dire > conditions the online edition of the WP describes. It was snowing > lightly, but I didn't detect any slipperiness along the I-95 HOV > corridor. > Maybe all of the mess occured later in the morning... We just went out for lunch. Minnieville Road from Dale Blvd to Foresdale was closed. Cones and flares with cops blocking each side. We got there just as they were opening it up again. Up by the old post office, there were linemen fixing a power line. > > K. > Carl __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 13:27:44 2004 Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 10:27:41 -0800 (PST) From: Carl Schelin Subject: RE: where are all the "I rode in today" posts? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- "Verde, Robert" wrote: > I thought there was a moratorium on "rode in today" posts? ;-) > Gee, you mean when someone complains we have to stop talking about the subject. May as well shut down the list now :-) Carl __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 13:33:06 2004 Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 10:33:03 -0800 (PST) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Re: where are all the "I rode in today" posts? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Paul Wilson wrote: > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Carl Schelin" > > > > > > Mr. Motorcycle commented that if your bike was two years old, it's out > of > > date and you need a new bike now ;-) > > > > Carl > > > So *that's* what I've been doing wrong all these years. > I've > been feeling so unfulfilled. ;-) I'll run that by the "War Dept." as > see > if it cuts any ice. > Hah. Rita's not happy with what we have now much less "upgrading" :-) > Going to the show tomorrow, "War Dept." in tow. Cool, see you there. > > Paul in DC > 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - www.wilsonline.org > Carl __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 13:54:43 2004 Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 13:54:40 -0500 From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: To: Subject: I rode in today I rode in, but didn't make it until after noon. The sidecar rig had no balance problems, but there was no traction anywhere. I-66 Eastbound in Falls Church was a parking lot, and HOV'ers were getting off ... and jamming up Washington Blvd and Washington St./Lee Hwy. I tried an alternate way and it had better traffic but worse traction - even 4-wheel-drives weren't getting up slight hills. I turned around at a level spot, and had all three wheels slipping and sliding. I VPN'd in from home and worked, then came in later. Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Verde, Robert" Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 11:14:43 -0500 >I thought there was a moratorium on "rode in today" posts? ;-) > >The ride from Seven Corners to Reston via Rt. 7 was a zoo this morning; apparent accident near the Rt. 7/Rt. 29 intersection in Falls Church, then another at the intersection of Baron Cameron and Rt. 7, where I usually turn. Took me two freaking hours to go 15 miles... > >The only effect of the cold I've noticed is that my locks freeze up (almost twisted off my ignition key), and the tach stops working when it's below twenty or so. Need to get a small canister of WD-40 for the locks, I used Honda chain lube as an experiment, and although it worked, it looks a bit odd. > >On the bike show topic (I've never been to one); will vendors be selling gear and accessories there? I'm looking for another helmet, and wouldn't mind checkiing out a selection at the show, but if it's mostly geared towards bike sales, I'll shop elsewhere. I'm looking for a Nolan N-100, any tips for a dealer closer than Jessup, MD? > > >Robert > > >-----Original Message----- >From: matthew patton [mailto:pattonme@XXXXXX] >Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 10:44 AM >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: where are all the "I rode in today" posts? > > >Or are we all boning up on press material in preparation for the >unvailing of the show this afternoon? For me the situation this morning >was tolerable - tonight I doubt I'm going to brave the country-bumpkin >2-lanes. Amazingly my petcock froze/blocked after 40 minutes of solid >riding. Can't explain that one. good thing 'prime' works. > >===== >"Be kind and compassionate to one another, forgiving each > other, just as in Christ God forgave you." Ephesians 4:32 > >Hurt and disappointment enter every marriage from time to time. >When this happens, we choose to either forgive or develop >resentment. Love will not last if we do not learn to forgive. > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 14:02:18 2004 Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2004 13:58:03 -0500 From: Tom To: KR Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: where are all the "I rode in today" posts? KR wrote: >On Fri, 9 Jan 2004, matthew patton wrote: > > > >>Or are we all boning up on press material in preparation for the >>unvailing of the show this afternoon? For me the situation this morning >>was tolerable - tonight I doubt I'm going to brave the country-bumpkin >>2-lanes. Amazingly my petcock froze/blocked after 40 minutes of solid >>riding. Can't explain that one. good thing 'prime' works. >> >> > >When I rode in prior to 6 a.m., I didn't experience any of the dire >conditions the online edition of the WP describes. It was snowing >lightly, but I didn't detect any slipperiness along the I-95 HOV corridor. >Maybe all of the mess occured later in the morning... > > mess yes. slipperiness no. just people being overly cautious (ie very slow). tom de From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 14:12:20 2004 Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 14:12:16 -0500 (EST) From: KR To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: where are all the "I rode in today" posts? Bob&Tom: They're not just in INDY anymore! On Fri, 9 Jan 2004, Carl Schelin wrote: >--- KR wrote: >> On Fri, 9 Jan 2004, matthew patton wrote: >> >> When I rode in prior to 6 a.m., I didn't experience any of the dire >> conditions the online edition of the WP describes. It was snowing >> lightly, but I didn't detect any slipperiness along the I-95 HOV >> corridor. >> Maybe all of the mess occured later in the morning... > >We just went out for lunch. Minnieville Road from Dale Blvd to Foresdale >was closed. Cones and flares with cops blocking each side. We got there >just as they were opening it up again. Up by the old post office, there >were linemen fixing a power line. Great. Wonder what I'll get to experience on the ride home this evening? Hopefully they will have been able to treat everything to some extent at least. Slip sliding away... K From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 14:35:22 2004 Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2004 14:35:18 -0500 To: Carl Schelin , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: RE: where are all the "I rode in today" posts? At 10:27 AM 1/9/04 -0800, Carl Schelin wrote: >--- "Verde, Robert" wrote: >> I thought there was a moratorium on "rode in today" posts? ;-) > >Gee, you mean when someone complains we have to stop talking about the >subject. May as well shut down the list now :-) Hey! What's with all the talk about complaints and shutting down the list?!? Knock that crap off! :^) -- Mike B. **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 14:43:18 2004 Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 11:43:15 -0800 (PST) From: Carl Schelin Subject: RE: where are all the "I rode in today" posts? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Mike Bartman wrote: > At 10:27 AM 1/9/04 -0800, Carl Schelin wrote: > >--- "Verde, Robert" wrote: > >> I thought there was a moratorium on "rode in today" posts? ;-) > > > >Gee, you mean when someone complains we have to stop talking about the > >subject. May as well shut down the list now :-) > > Hey! What's with all the talk about complaints and shutting down the > list?!? Knock that crap off! :^) > Don't look at me. He -> "Verde, Robert" <- said it. Ask him ;-) > -- Mike B. > Carl __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 14:51:45 2004 Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 11:51:33 -0800 (PST) From: Adam Reinhardt Subject: Re: Motor oil on air filter To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I'm still unsure as to what the cause is. I checked the oil, and the oil is slightly too low (not overly full) I don't think I ever overfilled it. Also, I smelled the oil and there is no gasoline odor in it. I'm stumped here. I did add a little 20w50 or 10w50 (I can't remember) to my 10w40 in a pinch a few weeks ago when I sprung a leak on a ride (valve cover bolt spun free), but I don't think that that is the problem Adam 91 GS500 --- Jon Strang wrote: > Filter cleaner should take care of it. > > That's the symptom, though, what was the cause? > > --jon > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Adam Reinhardt" > To: > Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 4:39 PM > Subject: Motor oil on air filter > > > > Today my crankcase breather spit up a fair amount > of > > oil onto my K&N pod filters. The oil is enough to > > have collected into small drops and has soaked > about > > half of the left filter (two filters, GS500) My > > question is will the K&N cleaning solution get rid > of > > the motor oil build up or is there another course > of > > action that I need to take? > > > > Thanks > > > > Adam > > > > 91 GS500 > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" > Sweepstakes > > http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 16:45:05 2004 Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 13:44:57 -0800 (PST) From: Adam Reinhardt Subject: Re: Motor oil on air filter To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Oops, I meant valve cover breather hose. I'm not sure why I wrote crankcase. Adam --- matthew patton wrote: > > > spun free), but I don't think that that is the > problem > > nope, wouldn't be. I'm trying to think. you've got > pod filters... I'm > trying to visualize my GS and I'm not coming up with > a crankcase > breather tube. valve cover breather, yes. > > ===== > "Be kind and compassionate to one another, forgiving > each > other, just as in Christ God forgave you." > Ephesians 4:32 > > Hurt and disappointment enter every marriage from > time to time. > When this happens, we choose to either forgive or > develop > resentment. Love will not last if we do not learn to forgive. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 16:56:20 2004 Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 13:56:18 -0800 (PST) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Bike Project Update To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I updated the project pages with new pictures including pictures of the new gas tank and oil tank. http://www.geocities.com/dm_gsxr/chopper/index.html Carl __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 17:18:16 2004 Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2004 17:18:04 -0500 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: kendall@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Yamaha dealer reccomendation? X-AOL-IP: 12.36.128.140 Kendall, I go to Cycle Sport in Alexandria. They sold me my current R6 and have done all work on it and my previous bikes. I think they are great people to deal with. YMMV Scooter In a message dated 1/8/2004 8:15:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, kendall@XXXXXX writes: > > > Folks, > > First, I appreciate all the advice (even the advice I've chosen to > ignore!) re: my question a few weeks back about dealers in the > area. After a lot of back-and-forth, I've decided to buy a Yamaha (the > model of which I'm keeping to myself to avoid more "newbies always > drop bikes, you're an idiot" emails :> ); my credit union gave me the > green light and my State Farm agent may well write a moto policy for > me (apparently they don't do this often in the District), so it's time > to make a deal. > > I'm prepared to drive to any Yamaha dealer within, say, an hour's > drive to try to save some $$ under MSRP (I'm not buying a bike that's > particularly hot or hard to get, near as I can tell). Thus I'm curious > as to which dealers you all will recommend. What I care about (in > order of preference) is willingness to deal, courteous treatment, and > bikes in stock. > > Any advice is appreciated. > > Thanks, > Kendall Clark > > PS--Okay, so I'm getting an FZ1, but please don't tell me how awful a > decision this is for a (relatively) new driver. I'm fully > informed of > those opinions, promise! :> From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 17:58:21 2004 Cc: DC Cycles From: Sunil Doshi Subject: Re: Yamaha dealer reccomendation? Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 17:58:12 -0500 To: kendall@XXXXXX I second the CycleSport recommendation. I haven't bought a bike from them, but I was considering a Yamaha and they were extremely forthright and helpful with information. I did buy a disc lock from them that didn't end up fitting the fatty disc I have on my bike. They were happy to take it back. But they suggested filing off a little bit of the lock. I didn't have the proper tools at home to do it, so they went back in the shop, filed the right amount off, and even applied some paint to the lock (to prevent rust). If my next bike is a Yamaha, they will have my business. The little things count. sunil http://widepipe.org/ride/ '03 Honda Shadow ACE 750 On Jan 9, 2004, at 5:18 PM, ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > Kendall, > > I go to Cycle Sport in Alexandria. They sold me my current R6 and > have done all work on it and my previous bikes. I think they are > great people to deal with. YMMV > > Scooter > > In a message dated 1/8/2004 8:15:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, > kendall@XXXXXX writes: > >> >> >> Folks, >> >> First, I appreciate all the advice (even the advice I've chosen to >> ignore!) re: my question a few weeks back about dealers in the >> area. After a lot of back-and-forth, I've decided to buy a Yamaha (the >> model of which I'm keeping to myself to avoid more "newbies always >> drop bikes, you're an idiot" emails :> ); my credit union gave me the >> green light and my State Farm agent may well write a moto policy for >> me (apparently they don't do this often in the District), so it's time >> to make a deal. >> >> I'm prepared to drive to any Yamaha dealer within, say, an hour's >> drive to try to save some $$ under MSRP (I'm not buying a bike that's >> particularly hot or hard to get, near as I can tell). Thus I'm curious >> as to which dealers you all will recommend. What I care about (in >> order of preference) is willingness to deal, courteous treatment, and >> bikes in stock. >> >> Any advice is appreciated. >> >> Thanks, >> Kendall Clark >> >> PS--Okay, so I'm getting an FZ1, but please don't tell me how awful a >> decision this is for a (relatively) new driver. I'm fully >> informed of >> those opinions, promise! :> > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 20:21:34 2004 From: "Mobacc" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Show Nits Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 20:18:07 -0500 Rocky scheduling sent me to show this pm. Nits: o Parking came up on this list, and knowing the ConvCtr may be new to many and possibly to Mapquest, etc.: A main entrance is in the middle of the building, on the north side of L street, between 7th & 9th, the closest to the ticket booths (this is one block north of the main facade facing Mount Vernon Square). There is quasi-residential parking west of the CC (beyond 9th St.) where I've recently found MC spaces on L St. Pkg lots there may be open Wknds. The idea being that parking can be searched out west of the Center (and possibly east) close to the main entrance: L St is one-way west. 9th St. and 7th St. are two-way north of Mass. Ave. Given tomorrow may be mighty chilly, what may have been normal walks to the old Center from downtown eateries may be newly uncomfortable. o Coat check is slow and $2.00 per item. She checked my helmet for free (the only one there when racks full as I left). o The show at the back was terrific. Fruit for many discussions of MC skills acquisition (Fox5 Holly did a usual great promo by standing in middle of ball racers this am). o Noted Shoei, Arai, Nolan displays (helmets have been mentioned here). Also H, K, S, Y, Vic, HD. My thoughts: Blockbuster, no. Worthwhile, yes. Not the NY show attended a few years ago. Bill S. / DC '99 VN750 > still in production after 16? years. Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 9 22:50:53 2004 Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 19:50:49 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: Show Nits To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > o Coat check is slow and $2.00 per item. She checked my helmet > for > free (the only one there when racks full as I left). maybe because I complained and held onto mine. I said you gotta be kidding me! Nothing doing $2 or else. I "or else'd". > o The show at the back was terrific. Fruit for many discussions > of MC > skills acquisition (Fox5 Holly did a usual great promo by standing in > middle > of ball racers this am). wasn't interested in the ball racers myself. Watched 2 or so rounds but that was it. Trials would have been more fun. I guess i'm soured on the ball thingy having watched 4 riders in a ball about 3x that size go all at the same time and different axis... Might have been a circus act, don't remember. > My thoughts: Blockbuster, no. Worthwhile, yes. Not the NY show > attended a few years ago. yeah lots of lids to check out assuming they had a selection of sizes - didn't check. Friday night was dead so I could play with any bike I wanted for as long as I wanted (2,3 min). No intelligent factory persons around that I found. JR and FS gear was plentiful but the prices were sorry to say the least. Try it on to find your size, order it online. I spent the most time on the revised GS500e (Suzi changed the oil pan to support an oil cooler - should be a simple change for the rest of us) and the FZ6. In keeping with GSXR-lite motif the GS is exactly the same as previous except that they used a lower-bend handlbar (and added fairing holders to the frame.) The FZ isn't a 1/2 bad bike in person. It's still too much $$ and Yamie has no excuse whatsoever for failing to use the YZF6R suspension and brakes on it. But the ergo's felt good and at least it comes with a centerstand standard! They say the FI blows though and well, I'll forgive a lot if the stupid throttle works right. The same criticism goes to the Buell. I spent a good portion of time looking over the stripped example they had out and I can't explain it but there is something about the bike that I really like. But I'd never own one till they did one of 2 things: nuke the stupid motor and buy something from this century (Rotax anyone?) or fix every stupid glitch in it like shitty tranny, nuts clutch pull with lousy feel and FI that is unpredictable and build quality that is all over the map. The press says the Buell FI is great. Oh me, if that's the case everyone else's must be downright abominable. Hint to factories: 0-1/4 turn is where to concentrate 98% of your FI tuning. Maybe somebody makes a carb kit. it is a sportster afterall... The 919 finally got somewhat adjustable suspension. ya think there Honda? I was really let down by the Triumph Speed4. I like it a LOT in pictures (my desktop background for a while now) but oh my it looks horrible from the cockpit. Ditch the stupid bug-eyes and put the RS fairing assembly on it. Speaking of RS, apparently they are still in production and they finally cleaned up the engine's looks. HOnda's 599 - what can I say, overpriced again. Must be Honda's corporate motto. Hello there Jap4 - whatever happened to AFFORDABLE? The Yen isn't that bad. The FZ6, the 599, the Bandit 600, these are all $5K bikes to me. Yeah you too Buell - in spades! The Aprilia's (Tuono Racing etc) really didn't appeal. Ducati's 620ie was IMO the true motorcycle of the bunch (999, 7??, multi-strada). The Suz DL650, I don't know. it looks well different. Poserride had a booth and they were handing out keys to a new SV1KS. Speaking of SV's, not a single SV650 did I see. Crisis over there in Suzi-land? What's up with that? The website is still AWOL too. I can't be there for the drawing on the 17th to see if my key unlocks the bike, so can I have one of you volunteer in my stead? That reminds me, anyone know a locksmith? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 10 16:02:05 2004 Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 16:02:01 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Bike show pictures Had a group of 6 at Hooters. Freezing outside for anyone choosing to hibernate. Assorted bike show pictures on the dccycles site. http://www.dccycles.com/bswcc0104/ _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 10 19:30:03 2004 Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 16:29:50 -0800 (PST) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Bike Show To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX We got started later than I wanted so we missed lunch. I rode the Harley in and saw no other riders. My right thumb got cold enough to be a little painful when it "thawed out" (this was at 11:30 or so at the office). The tops of my feet were on the nippy side as well. It said 10 degrees when we left with a wind chill of -3. We walked from the other side of Air and Space to the convention center and go there just as the line was getting long; about quarter after noon. While the show was interesting, I think the custom bike show was better. I don't know enough about the differences in sport bikes to know which is better this year (unlike Mr. Patton; nice description BTW) and the cruisers all look basically the same. I did look at the GSXR 1000 and 1300, probably 'cause I have one. Rita said I'd have to sell the other bikes before I could get one. With our planned migration to Colorado, I don't think that's going to happen. There was a big recruiting area; 10 or so local clubs with booths and several leather, helmet, LEDs, t-shirts, stickers and other stuff places. We slowly wandered through all the displays and looked over the bikes. After an hour or so, we headed out for a late lunch. We got stamped since we expected to maybe come back but after a walk down to Dupont Circle (Chipotle's), we decided it was too cold to walk back; to either the show or to the vehicles. We metroed back to the office, got dressed up and headed home. Sorry we missed any of you. One guy asked if I really rode to the show (I was wearing my JR jacket). See you at the next event. Carl and Rita __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 10 19:59:28 2004 Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 19:58:48 -0500 From: corey Reply-To: corey To: The dc-cycles list administrator Subject: missing SV patton> Poserride had a booth and they were handing out keys to a new SV1KS. patton> Speaking of SV's, not a single SV650 did I see. sat and played on the pumpkin-colored sv650 for a while, it was at the far edge of the suzuki display, toward the entrance i think. my next bike is a long way off, but the SV is a strong contender for me right now. shoulda brought a sponge to wipe all my drool offa that Triumph Thunderbird sport :) ---------------------- corey [gs500] www.egoinc.org | www.blanksky.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 10 21:34:31 2004 From: "Rob Sharp" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: It's not cold in the garage, wrenching Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 21:35:20 -0500 While it may be 12 outside right now it's only about 55 in my garage with my little heater going. That means it warm enough to work on the bike. And since Carl seems to be the only one to report in on wreching session I thought I would chime in. I got a new compressor and air tools for X-mas (my gf' ROCKS) and I have been putting them to work, mostly just the air wrench and sure I could use hand tools just as easy, but air tools make cool noises :-D. I just changed my oil and I am going to flush the coolant some time next week. But doing that kind of maintenance it no fun so I figured I need to get a new pipe for the VFR. Well I hooked up with a used Staintune high mount for my VFR on the VFR list. Had to pop off the seat and rear cowl to mount it, but it was definetly an easy 45 minute task. Thing mounted right up perfectly. The pipe sounds awesome at idle and it screams at 7k rpms and up. Definetly worth the dough. The new pipe and some new BT020 tires and I am ready to ride, just hope it warms up so I can ride sometime soon. I usually don't ride unless it's warmer than 50 or so. I am a whimp :) I will try to get some sound clips/pictures to post but I am not sure how I will record it to a wav file. Question of the VFR owners (94-97) when you change you oil how much can you fit back in? Manuals says it holds 4 qts, but I put in like 3.5 and it was full on the dip stick. Rob "Loud Pipes sound awesome" Sharp PS. Anyone else beside Carl done any winter wrenching on their wheels? -- Rob Sharp 1996 Honda VFR 750 2003 Chevy S10 Xtreme SSCP/CCSP/CCNA 2.0/CCSA Network Security Engineer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 10 22:11:54 2004 Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 19:11:51 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: It's not cold in the garage, wrenching To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > little heater going. That means it warm enough to work on the bike. me too. checked valve clearances today. disassemble forks and rebuild tomorrow. > I got a new compressor and air tools for X-mas (my gf' ROCKS) and I So how come the ladies hate us for buying new vaccuum cleaners, irons, mixers, dishwashers etc. for Christmas? We don't mind getting "Arf, Arf, Arf. manly tools!!!" > The new pipe and some new BT020 tires and I am ready to ride, just > hope it > warms up so I can ride sometime soon. I usually don't ride unless > it's warmer > than 50 or so. I am a whimp :) I guess so! Spend $300 and get yourself a Gerbing setup and you can join the rest of us who ride in any kind of weather. My bike is probably the filthiest it's ever been. The snow just made a royal mess of everything. I've got 13K on the Pilot Roads now and amazingly enough I think I'm going to wear the front out before the rear. < 2mm tread depth on the front, 4mm on the rear. Normally I chew up 1.5-2 rears for every front. Maybe Michelin finally figured out how to balance wear between both so that one would be inclined to replace as a set. ===== "Be kind and compassionate to one another, forgiving each other, just as in Christ God forgave you." Ephesians 4:32 Hurt and disappointment enter every marriage from time to time. When this happens, we choose to either forgive or develop resentment. Love will not last if we do not learn to forgive. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 10 23:25:32 2004 Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 20:25:29 -0800 (PST) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Re: It's not cold in the garage, wrenching To: DC-Cycles --- Rob Sharp wrote: > While it may be 12 outside right now it's only about 55 in my garage > with my little heater going. That means it warm enough to work on the > bike. > And since Carl seems to be the only one to report in on wreching session > I thought I would chime in. > For the record. My previous forays into wrenching have been disasters. Even changing spark plugs and the oil. I've broken bolts more times that I can count. I once took the rocker cover off of a bike and somehow got the cam chain off but couldn't get it back on and had to have someone come out to do it for me (and he laughed at my tool box, which I still have). I got to the point that Firestone in F'burg, Merchants here, Precision Tune and Jiffy Lube all knew who I was. It's easier to give it to someone competent and give them a few bucks than waste the hours doing a half-assed job that someone would have to be paid to fix anyway :-) But changes have been made these past few years. I met Rita who disdains Jiffy Lube and changes all of her consumables. I got back into bikes. I started changing fluids in the Harley. About two years ago, after reading bike magazines for 20+ years, all the images melded together into a bike I thought I was smart enough to build. Six months ago, I got a sportbike that was old, fairly cheap and quite fun to ride. With the internet and mailing lists, I can draw on other experiences and learn from others and wrench a little on a bike that seems to be easy to work on. Posting my wrenching reports, and ride reports, I feel like I'm contributing. Contributing to someone else's education. You never know. One of these days someone who's read one of my reports will pick up a spark plug wrench, pull off the gas tank and change their own spark plugs. > Rob "Loud Pipes sound awesome" Sharp > >From the dark side, Carl __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jan 11 00:03:07 2004 Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 21:03:04 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: looking for non-conductive, weather resistant, aerosol foam To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX With all you craftsmen on this list I thought I'd ask a strange one. Most panel-mounted accessories assume said panel is weather-proof. Well, mine ain't. A couple options present themselves ranging from gluing plastic boxes over the electronics (with a drain hole or two) to spraying and moulding some foam that is electrically non-conductive and also weather resistant. If you've ever seen the injection foam various shipping companies use to creat 'custom' or form-fitting foam blocks around curiously shaped objects that's sort of the idea I'm pondering. it doesn't have to look nice because it will be out of sight. Would prefer that the foam not crumble and disintegrate too badly over time but then again if annually I had to break off the old tatters and make another application that could be doable. Also, any recommendations for a glue intended for plastic that isn't solvent based and ideally stays tacky isntead of making a hard surface? I'm thinking gasket maker but not too sure about how well it would adhere to plastic. The agent would have to support the weight (very minor) of the plastic box. I don't want epoxy or something that would take considerable effort to separate from the respective surfaces. Buying new body panels is not my idea of thrifty. ===== "Be kind and compassionate to one another, forgiving each other, just as in Christ God forgave you." Ephesians 4:32 Hurt and disappointment enter every marriage from time to time. When this happens, we choose to either forgive or develop resentment. Love will not last if we do not learn to forgive. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jan 11 09:17:57 2004 Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 09:16:34 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" To: matthew patton CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: looking for non-conductive, weather resistant, aerosol foam Methinks there are clear sprays designed to coat/waterproof electrical piecey-parts. A marine/boat store maybe? matthew patton wrote: > With all you craftsmen on this list I thought I'd ask a strange one. > Most panel-mounted accessories assume said panel is weather-proof. > Well, mine ain't. A couple options present themselves ranging from > gluing plastic boxes over the electronics (with a drain hole or two) to > spraying and moulding some foam that is electrically non-conductive and > also weather resistant. If you've ever seen the injection foam various > shipping companies use to creat 'custom' or form-fitting foam blocks > around curiously shaped objects that's sort of the idea I'm pondering. > it doesn't have to look nice because it will be out of sight. Would > prefer that the foam not crumble and disintegrate too badly over time > but then again if annually I had to break off the old tatters and make > another application that could be doable. > > Also, any recommendations for a glue intended for plastic that isn't > solvent based and ideally stays tacky isntead of making a hard surface? > I'm thinking gasket maker but not too sure about how well it would > adhere to plastic. The agent would have to support the weight (very > minor) of the plastic box. I don't want epoxy or something that would > take considerable effort to separate from the respective surfaces. > Buying new body panels is not my idea of thrifty. > > ===== > "Be kind and compassionate to one another, forgiving each > other, just as in Christ God forgave you." Ephesians 4:32 > > Hurt and disappointment enter every marriage from time to time. > When this happens, we choose to either forgive or develop > resentment. Love will not last if we do not learn to forgive. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jan 11 09:23:13 2004 Reply-To: "S. Russell" From: "S. Russell" To: Subject: Question to Garcia Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 09:22:29 -0500 Hey Garcia, Did you ever sell the old Magna that you were advertising on here and on Craigslist? Enquiring minds want to know. And did you ever get the bolt out of the back. Hit me off list if you can psycleman@XXXXXX Scott From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jan 11 09:38:32 2004 Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 06:37:54 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: It's not cold in the garage, wrenching To: Rob Sharp , DC-Cycles --- Rob Sharp wrote: > Question of the VFR owners (94-97) when you change you > oil how much can you > fit back in? Manuals says it holds 4 qts, but I put in > like 3.5 and it was > full on the dip stick. i'm not a vfr owner, but it sounds to me like an oil-only change. oil in/around the filter would make up the difference if you didn't change it. otherwise, run the engine until warm and check again after oil settles. you may be surprised at the results. > Rob "Loud Pipes sound awesome" Sharp > > PS. > Anyone else beside Carl done any winter wrenching on > their wheels? i've got a new gas tank to install on the xr, plus barkbusters, skidplate, etc. just rigged nicely a new gerbings setup on the duc. heat-troller is money. will be taking care of a number of items (preventive maintenance, disposables) on the duc over the coming weeks. man i liked the look of the 999s at the show yesterday -- but yellow or matte black would be the color for me. another year and i believe i could swing this with the mrs.! -- tg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jan 11 18:46:25 2004 From: "Rob Sharp" To: Tom Gimer , DC-Cycles Subject: Re: It's not cold in the garage, wrenching Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 18:47:14 -0500 I changed the filter and oil. Bike was on the centerstand too. Maybe some got stuck in the oil cooler? I ended up putting in about 3.75 quarts and it's full now. Rob On Sun, 11 Jan 2004 06:37:54 -0800 (PST), Tom Gimer wrote > --- Rob Sharp wrote: > > > Question of the VFR owners (94-97) when you change you > > oil how much can you > > fit back in? Manuals says it holds 4 qts, but I put in > > like 3.5 and it was > > full on the dip stick. > > i'm not a vfr owner, but it sounds to me like an oil-only > change. oil in/around the filter would make up the > difference if you didn't change it. > > otherwise, run the engine until warm and check again after > oil settles. you may be surprised at the results. > > > Rob "Loud Pipes sound awesome" Sharp > > > > PS. > > Anyone else beside Carl done any winter wrenching on > > their wheels? > > i've got a new gas tank to install on the xr, plus > barkbusters, skidplate, etc. > > just rigged nicely a new gerbings setup on the duc. > heat-troller is money. > > will be taking care of a number of items (preventive > maintenance, disposables) on the duc over the coming weeks. > > man i liked the look of the 999s at the show yesterday -- > but yellow or matte black would be the color for me. > another year and i believe i could swing this with the > mrs.! > > -- > tg > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes > http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus -- Rob Sharp 1996 Honda VFR 750 2003 Chevy S10 Xtreme SSCP/CCSP/CCNA 2.0/CCSA Network Security Engineer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jan 11 19:25:25 2004 Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 16:25:06 -0800 (PST) From: John Kozyn Subject: VFR Oil Level To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Rob Sharp" I changed the filter and oil. Bike was on the centerstand too. Maybe some got stuck in the oil cooler? I ended up putting in about 3.75 quarts and it's full now. ===== I think the oil cooler does retain some oil. I seem to remember that all I ever put in my VFR is around 3.75 also, maybe less. I'm presuming the dipstick was not screwed in, right? My Ducati (w/ an oil cooler) also shows full before I think i should be. I like to check it after riding and not just warming up in the garage. JK (D-mode) 1999 900SS 1995 VFR750F __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jan 11 19:45:58 2004 From: "Rob Sharp" To: John Kozyn , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: VFR Oil Level Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 19:46:49 -0500 yep I don't screw in the dipstick when I test the oil level. It did go done some but it's just a tad above the full line right now. I let it start and run for a good 30 minutes, hitting the throttle to test out the new staintune pipe. I had a grin ear to ear. Regards, Rob On Sun, 11 Jan 2004 16:25:06 -0800 (PST), John Kozyn wrote > From: "Rob Sharp" > > I changed the filter and oil. Bike was on the centerstand too. > Maybe some got stuck in the oil cooler? I ended up putting in about > 3.75 quarts and it's full now. > > ===== > > I think the oil cooler does retain some oil. I seem to remember that > all I ever put in my VFR is around 3.75 also, maybe less. I'm presuming > the dipstick was not screwed in, right? > > My Ducati (w/ an oil cooler) also shows full before I think i should > be. I like to check it after riding and not just warming up in the > garage. > > JK (D-mode) > 1999 900SS > 1995 VFR750F > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes > http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus -- Rob Sharp 1996 Honda VFR 750 2003 Chevy S10 Xtreme SSCP/CCSP/CCNA 2.0/CCSA Network Security Engineer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jan 11 19:59:24 2004 Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 16:59:21 -0800 (PST) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Broke back-out bit To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Now what? I'm thinking it's time to find a local shop that'll get these two head-rounded screws from one pipe and the flange from the other to get the engine cleared off. Other suggestions or just look for a shop? Carl __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jan 11 21:51:36 2004 Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 18:51:12 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: borrowing 10 min with a cutoff tool? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX All of my tools are in Chicago. Does anybody have an air/elec driven cutoff tool (think Dremel only bigger) that I could borrow for 10 minutes (or less) on-site to slice a hex key into bits? My front axle is seemingly stuck and without the necessary bits I can't get the needed leverage. Somebody near the 395/I-95S corridor would be great. ===== "Be kind and compassionate to one another, forgiving each other, just as in Christ God forgave you." Ephesians 4:32 Hurt and disappointment enter every marriage from time to time. When this happens, we choose to either forgive or develop resentment. Love will not last if we do not learn to forgive. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 12 07:53:30 2004 Reply-To: "Jon Strang" From: "Jon Strang" To: "Carl Schelin" , Subject: Re: Broke back-out bit Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 07:53:26 -0500 I don't think there's a shade-tree mechanic alive that hasn't made this mistake *once*. It is probably time for a machine shop. Take the pieces there if you can. If not, take the whole bike. I once broke off an ez-out in the oil pan drain plug of a 1986 Chevy Nova (aka Toyota Corrolla). The Quickie Lube guys rounded the it off for me on the last oil change, free of charge. So I tried the ez-out route, and promptly snapped the damn thing off. I guess they weren't kidding in materials class when they said "hard" and "brittle" are the same thing. Although I did eventually get it out w/o professional help. It involved a hacksaw, a BFS (Big Screwdriver), two evenings, 132,452 curses, three metal filings in my right eye, two in my left, 12 bloody knuckles (yes, some bloody more than once), one gash on my forehead, three bruised shins (again, one more than once), one gashed and bruised knee, and a teeny-tiny bit of patience. --jon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl Schelin" To: Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 7:59 PM Subject: Broke back-out bit > Now what? > > I'm thinking it's time to find a local shop that'll get these two > head-rounded screws from one pipe and the flange from the other to get the > engine cleared off. > > Other suggestions or just look for a shop? > > Carl > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes > http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 12 09:06:02 2004 From: Bob Meyer Reply-To: rmeyer9@XXXXXX To: "Jon Strang" , "Carl Schelin" , Subject: Re: Re: Broke back-out bit Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 9:05:47 -0500 Sears has some new screw/bolt removers that work on the OUTSIDE of the head, not by drilling a hole. Might be worth a try, I suppose. Bob Meyer > > From: "Jon Strang" > Date: 2004/01/12 Mon AM 07:53:26 EST > To: "Carl Schelin" , > Subject: Re: Broke back-out bit > > I don't think there's a shade-tree mechanic alive that hasn't made this > mistake *once*. > > It is probably time for a machine shop. Take the pieces there if you can. > If not, take the whole bike. > > I once broke off an ez-out in the oil pan drain plug of a 1986 Chevy Nova > (aka Toyota Corrolla). The Quickie Lube guys rounded the it off for me on > the last oil change, free of charge. So I tried the ez-out route, and > promptly snapped the damn thing off. I guess they weren't kidding in > materials class when they said "hard" and "brittle" are the same thing. > > Although I did eventually get it out w/o professional help. It involved a > hacksaw, a BFS (Big Screwdriver), two evenings, 132,452 curses, three metal > filings in my right eye, two in my left, 12 bloody knuckles (yes, some > bloody more than once), one gash on my forehead, three bruised shins (again, > one more than once), one gashed and bruised knee, and a teeny-tiny bit of > patience. > > --jon > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Carl Schelin" > To: > Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 7:59 PM > Subject: Broke back-out bit > > > > Now what? > > > > I'm thinking it's time to find a local shop that'll get these two > > head-rounded screws from one pipe and the flange from the other to get the > > engine cleared off. > > > > Other suggestions or just look for a shop? > > > > Carl > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes > > http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 12 09:20:56 2004 Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 09:20:01 -0500 From: Skip To: skip@XXXXXX, sabmag , DC Cycles Subject: Block Repair {dumbass duly assigned} I have an issue. you can see pics of it here... > http://broken.blackroses.com/modules.php?set_albumName=album02&op=modload&name=Gallery&file=index&include=view_album.php&page=1 I am looking to make a permanent repair, and have seen this: http://www.muggyweld.com/super5.html And I'm wondering if anyone has any other ideas, short of replacing the block. >From what I understand, TIG welding on this particular type of aluminum is out of the question, as it causes the metal to become weak. --skip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 12 09:38:08 2004 From: Michael Lynch To: "'Skip '" , "'sabmag '" , "'DC Cycles '" Subject: RE: Block Repair {dumbass duly assigned} Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 09:43:49 -0500 Also, don't forget the crack at the rear of that mount, where it meets the wall of the engine. Junkyard motor. It may be cheaper than the repair would cost to do it right. Mike 98 XR400 96 VFR 76 CB400F -----Original Message----- From: Skip To: skip@XXXXXX; sabmag; DC Cycles Sent: 1/12/04 9:20 AM Subject: Block Repair {dumbass duly assigned} I have an issue. you can see pics of it here... > http://broken.blackroses.com/modules.php?set_albumName=album02&op=modloa d&name=Gallery&file=index&include=view_album.php&page=1 I am looking to make a permanent repair, and have seen this: http://www.muggyweld.com/super5.html And I'm wondering if anyone has any other ideas, short of replacing the block. >From what I understand, TIG welding on this particular type of aluminum is out of the question, as it causes the metal to become weak. --skip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 12 09:52:38 2004 From: Michael Lynch To: "'Bob Meyer '" , "'Jon Strang '" , "'Carl Schelin '" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX '" Subject: RE: Re: Broke back-out bit Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 09:58:33 -0500 They work GREAT. They even grab studs with no heads. In the example of a rounded head, neighbor punk-kid rounded off his oil pan bolt with pliers. Came over whining. Sent him back with those bolt extractors and it worked like a charm. Absolutely worth every penny. Buy the set in the case, then buy the extra set that fills in the empty holes in the case. Mike 98 XR400 96 VFR 76 CB400F -----Original Message----- From: Bob Meyer To: Jon Strang; Carl Schelin; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Sent: 1/12/04 9:05 AM Subject: Re: Re: Broke back-out bit Sears has some new screw/bolt removers that work on the OUTSIDE of the head, not by drilling a hole. Might be worth a try, I suppose. Bob Meyer > > From: "Jon Strang" > Date: 2004/01/12 Mon AM 07:53:26 EST > To: "Carl Schelin" , > Subject: Re: Broke back-out bit > > I don't think there's a shade-tree mechanic alive that hasn't made this > mistake *once*. > > It is probably time for a machine shop. Take the pieces there if you can. > If not, take the whole bike. > > I once broke off an ez-out in the oil pan drain plug of a 1986 Chevy Nova > (aka Toyota Corrolla). The Quickie Lube guys rounded the it off for me on > the last oil change, free of charge. So I tried the ez-out route, and > promptly snapped the damn thing off. I guess they weren't kidding in > materials class when they said "hard" and "brittle" are the same thing. > > Although I did eventually get it out w/o professional help. It involved a > hacksaw, a BFS (Big Screwdriver), two evenings, 132,452 curses, three metal > filings in my right eye, two in my left, 12 bloody knuckles (yes, some > bloody more than once), one gash on my forehead, three bruised shins (again, > one more than once), one gashed and bruised knee, and a teeny-tiny bit of > patience. > > --jon > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Carl Schelin" > To: > Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 7:59 PM > Subject: Broke back-out bit > > > > Now what? > > > > I'm thinking it's time to find a local shop that'll get these two > > head-rounded screws from one pipe and the flange from the other to get the > > engine cleared off. > > > > Other suggestions or just look for a shop? > > > > Carl > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes > > http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 12 09:52:55 2004 Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 06:52:47 -0800 (PST) From: Tom De Subject: Re: Block Repair {dumbass duly assigned} To: DC Cycles Saw this (http://virtual-adnet.com) on late night TV once. REALLY bad video, big claims. They fixed alot of "block" type stuff, i.e. transmission eyelet rebuilt from scratch. No big welding tools, just a propane torch. Doesn't dip from working area. Sounds nice.... YMMV... I've NEVER used it, Never known anybody who has, but for $45 for 1 1/2 lbs ($25 for 1/2), it could work out for you. I'd check www.google.com, groups.google.com first. good luck, tom de '98 VTR --- Skip wrote: > I have an issue. you can see pics of it here... > > > http://broken.blackroses.com/modules.php?set_albumName=album02&op=modload&name=Gallery&file=index&include=view_album.php&page=1 > > I am looking to make a permanent repair, and have > seen this: > > http://www.muggyweld.com/super5.html > > > And I'm wondering if anyone has any other ideas, > short of replacing the block. > > From what I understand, TIG welding on this > particular type of aluminum is out > of the question, as it causes the metal to become > weak. > > --skip > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 12 09:56:29 2004 Subject: Re: Re: Broke back-out bit From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 12 Jan 2004 09:52:56 -0500 On Mon, 2004-01-12 at 09:05, Bob Meyer wrote: > Sears has some new screw/bolt removers that work on the OUTSIDE of the > head, not by drilling a hole. Might be worth a try, I suppose. Except that these are flush mounted. Nothing outside to catch. They might work for the other nut though. If I had enough room to get the vice grips in and actually turn it, I might be able to get it off but no such luck. Thanks though. > > Bob Meyer > Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 12 10:06:29 2004 Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 10:21:44 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: Re: Broke back-out bit On 12 Jan 2004, Carl Schelin wrote: > Except that these are flush mounted. Nothing outside to catch. They > might work for the other nut though. If I had enough room to get the > vice grips in and actually turn it, I might be able to get it off but no > such luck. 2 suggestions - Can you get a Dremel in there and slot the bolt/extractor and try to turn it with a screwdriver? Use JBWeld and cold-weld some sort of extension on there, like a hex key, and use visegrips or a wrench to turn it? Good luck! -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 12 10:07:02 2004 Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 10:06:52 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: VFR oil capacity Rob, there are two oil capacities: draining and disassembly. Both are in the manual. Disassembly means engine in pieces. Go with the "draining" numbers when refilling after an oil change. Some of the oil in the rated capacity stays in the oil cooler, the top end and various other nooks and crannies. Paul in DC 95 VFR - 86 VF500F From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 12 10:15:29 2004 Subject: Re: Re: Broke back-out bit From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 12 Jan 2004 10:11:57 -0500 On Mon, 2004-01-12 at 10:21, Wayne Edelen wrote: > On 12 Jan 2004, Carl Schelin wrote: > > > Except that these are flush mounted. Nothing outside to catch. They > > might work for the other nut though. If I had enough room to get the > > vice grips in and actually turn it, I might be able to get it off but no > > such luck. > > 2 suggestions - > > Can you get a Dremel in there and slot the bolt/extractor and try to turn > it with a screwdriver? > I think the head's been so drilled and mangled that there's not enough to slot. > Use JBWeld and cold-weld some sort of extension on there, like a hex key, > and use visegrips or a wrench to turn it? > That's an idea. I happen to have a bit of jbweld from the boise trip. I'll have to try that (I have enough throwaway hex keys from building bookcases and stuff). > Good luck! > Thanks. > -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ > Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 12 10:19:52 2004 Subject: The Show Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 10:21:29 -0500 From: "Julian Halton" To: "Carl Schelin" , I went Saturday...No one showed up for lunch at Austin grill so I had two flank steak burritos and the company of a good friend to myself. The show was large and populated by a fair amount of looky-loos doing their best to ding as many gas tanks as possible. There was a lot to absorb. I enjoyed the Ducati exhibit, sitting on the Kawasaki ZX-R 1000 which felt like the handling would be close to sublime. I kept being drawn back to the burgundy R1 that was calling to me. As an R6 driver and a fairly decent-sized lad, part of me still wonders if I am missing something with 600cc's. I have never driven a 1000cc size bike and am patiently eager to discover the difference. The R1 is an engineered beauty and I loved the under the tail exhaust and gas tank. I forgot my cam so no pics. I sat on a victory cruiser which according to their reps and the most technologically advanced, and high performance cruisers ever made. I think it was a Vegas. I almost bought a light weight Vanson leather riding jacket for 360 at the Battley display but thought I would see if anyone here has any recommendations for a good place to find a truly excellent leather riding jacket. The VANSON catalog is so huge but I have never seen more than a few jackets carried at Coleman's or Battleys. A certain list member stopped in to my lounge for dinner and it was great to put a face to a name and chat albeit briefly. Cheers you all! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 12 11:30:38 2004 Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 11:32:07 -0500 To: corey , The dc-cycles list administrator From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: missing SV At 07:58 PM 1/10/04 -0500, corey wrote: >sat and played on the pumpkin-colored sv650 for a while, it was at the >far edge of the suzuki display, toward the entrance i think. my next >bike is a long way off, but the SV is a strong contender for me right >now. I tried some of the Buels. NFW. I was most interested in the ones used for the Riders Edge program (expensive H-D BRC equivalent). I *could* ride it if I had to...but I'd have to sit on the passenger part of the seat. No way I could work the foot controls if I was up near the gas tank on a bike that tiny...and it's one of the larger Buels! Also, just for S&G, tried the V-Rod. It would work, but only if the foot controls were moved at least a couple of inches forward. The seat height it ok, and the grips are good, but the foot controls are too close to be usable. Can't pull my toes back far enough to stay off of the brake, and I'd have to lift my whole leg to down shift. Same problems I had with the Softails and Road Kings...H-D is still not noticing that there are more and more tall customers around these days, and not everyone is as tiny as Willie G. :^) The sport bikes, other than BMW maybe, are hopeless. :^) -- Mike B. **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 12 11:30:38 2004 Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 11:25:31 -0500 To: Carl Schelin , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Bike Show At 04:29 PM 1/10/04 -0800, Carl Schelin wrote: >We walked from the other side of Air and Space to the convention center >and go there just as the line was getting long; about quarter after noon. We got there late too. About 2pm. The line went back from the booths, took a side trip down a short hallway, came back out, and circled that central court so that the end was almost in front of the ticket booths again. Moved right along though...we were through it in under 20 minutes and met a couple of Harley riders in line. ;^) >While the show was interesting, I think the custom bike show was better. I >don't know enough about the differences in sport bikes to know which is >better this year (unlike Mr. Patton; nice description BTW) and the >cruisers all look basically the same. Sport bikes weren't really very interesting to me either, but the metric cruisers looked nice, and the Harley and Victory displays were good. Also got to see the communications unit you were talking about last week and pick up some material about it (intercom would be nice, with CB being useful too in the near future. Don't think I'll try listening to music while I'm riding any time soon though, and I don't know anyone else with a radio, so bike-to-bike isn't very useful to me either). The folks on the left side who were selling the bike blower and lifts were interesting too. They are coming out with an improved model of their small bike lift in March (joining the two safety bars together and putting in a better lift mechanism). I signed up for the show price when it does, and also suggested a better safety latch mechanism for both of their lifts (the little one and the big one). Their current design is adequate, *if* you don't manage to hit the bars just right after the cylinder has leaked enough pressure. There's nothing to stop the safety bars from lifting out of the notches if the bars are hit in an upward direction. The method I saw on the Sears model is better...sort of a hooked shaped notch...like a tooth on a circular sawblade...rather than their current "speedbump" type. Much more positive engagement and the only way to get it to release is to *lift* the bike until the bar comes out, then hold it clear while you lower. The guy liked the idea a lot, so they may go that route in later versions. I'm sure their product liability insurance will like it better too. :^) >There was a big recruiting area; 10 or so local clubs with booths and >several leather, helmet, LEDs, t-shirts, stickers and other stuff places. Don't forget the several folks selling "Jerks On Two Wheels" videos... There weren't as many accessory dealers there as I'd hoped for. Several selling leathers, but otherwise not a lot. Almost as many non-moto-specific dealers (like the shoe insert people, or the anti-fog people. Did pick up some good info on a few bike rallys we might try to go to this summer though. >Sorry we missed any of you. One guy asked if I really rode to the show (I >was wearing my JR jacket). See you at the next event. Yeah, sorry we missed you too. Next time. We did run into Scooter though. Hi again! :^) -- Mike B. **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 12 11:38:43 2004 Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 11:38:06 -0500 To: "Rob Sharp" , "DC-Cycles" From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: It's not cold in the garage, wrenching At 09:35 PM 1/10/04 -0500, Rob Sharp wrote: >putting them to work, mostly just the air wrench and sure I could use hand >tools just as easy, but air tools make cool noises :-D. They are also considerably faster when working in cramped areas where you can't swing a wrench very far, and can be very useful in removing stubborn bolts and nuts...if the impact wrench won't do it, you can always use the air hammer and a chisel and buy a new bolt or nut. Had to do that once to get a hitch ball nut off...cut a notch on one face, then shift the angle and hammer it around. Noisy, especially in a carport, but effective! Penetrating oil and heat hadn't budged it at all, but the air hammer did the trick! You should keep a GF like that one! :^) -- Mike B. **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 12 11:41:47 2004 Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 11:57:10 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen To: The dc-cycles list administrator Subject: Re: missing SV On Mon, 12 Jan 2004, Mike Bartman wrote: > The sport bikes, other than BMW maybe, are hopeless. :^) > > -- Mike B. Are you large waisted? I have plenty of sportbike riding friends taller than you that have no problem riding, but they are all very athletic. One of my friends is 6'7" and his street ride was a GSXR1k, until he switched to an R6 for track riding only. And for the big and tall, a Hayabusa can't be beat for comfort. Lots of 300-375lb guys riding them, short and tall. :-) There is a video of me racing another Hayabusa on my website. The guy I'm racing is over 360lbs :-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 12 11:49:46 2004 Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 08:49:43 -0800 (PST) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: This Week's Breakage. My left-rear turn indicator seems to be going on the fritz. When I was riding home from the range on Saturday it would cease working, then blink a few times, then go dark again. Dark again all today. I'm not sure if this really counts as a week's worth of broken bits, though, because my headlamp low beam mysteriously turned back on yesterday. Fish. i think my bike just doesn't like the cold From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 12 11:54:05 2004 Subject: Custom earplugs Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 11:55:44 -0500 From: "Julian Halton" To: "The dc-cycles list administrator" Are they a worthwhile investment? Comfortable and long lasting? Whenever I use the cheapies when I go out to a range, I always spend a good amount of time fiddling with these things..would be nice to resolve this pain in the ass and wondering if those custom fits would do the job. -----Original Message----- From: Mike Bartman [mailto:omni@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 11:32 AM To: corey; The dc-cycles list administrator Subject: Re: missing SV At 07:58 PM 1/10/04 -0500, corey wrote: >sat and played on the pumpkin-colored sv650 for a while, it was at the >far edge of the suzuki display, toward the entrance i think. my next >bike is a long way off, but the SV is a strong contender for me right >now. I tried some of the Buels. NFW. I was most interested in the ones used for the Riders Edge program (expensive H-D BRC equivalent). I *could* ride it if I had to...but I'd have to sit on the passenger part of the seat. No way I could work the foot controls if I was up near the gas tank on a bike that tiny...and it's one of the larger Buels! Also, just for S&G, tried the V-Rod. It would work, but only if the foot controls were moved at least a couple of inches forward. The seat height it ok, and the grips are good, but the foot controls are too close to be usable. Can't pull my toes back far enough to stay off of the brake, and I'd have to lift my whole leg to down shift. Same problems I had with the Softails and Road Kings...H-D is still not noticing that there are more and more tall customers around these days, and not everyone is as tiny as Willie G. :^) The sport bikes, other than BMW maybe, are hopeless. :^) -- Mike B. ************************************************************************ **** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *----------------------------------------------------------------------- ---* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * ************************************************************************ **** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 12 11:54:51 2004 Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 11:55:57 -0500 To: matthew patton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: looking for non-conductive, weather resistant, aerosol foam At 09:03 PM 1/10/04 -0800, matthew patton wrote: >With all you craftsmen on this list I thought I'd ask a strange one. >Most panel-mounted accessories assume said panel is weather-proof. >Well, mine ain't. A couple options present themselves ranging from >gluing plastic boxes over the electronics (with a drain hole or two) to >spraying and moulding some foam that is electrically non-conductive and >also weather resistant. If you've ever seen the injection foam various >shipping companies use to creat 'custom' or form-fitting foam blocks >around curiously shaped objects that's sort of the idea I'm pondering. Are you talking about filling around your electronics with this stuff? I wouldn't. It may keep the water away, but it will also hold the heat in (they sell similar stuff as insulation...) and heat kills electronics. Putting plastic covers over the tops will help, but it might be better to learn to work with fiberglass and make yourself a watertight housing for your stuff (if you can't buy something that will work from Radio Shack or Rubber Maid or whatever). That Shipshape Boating show on the Outdoor Channel (and sometimes other channels) occasionally shows how to do it for boats. Much larger enclosures than you want on a bike, but the same techniques should work: build a box the right size from something (plastic, foam, balsa, whatever), then cover it with epoxy-wetted glass cloth. Fill with epoxy, trim, sand, paint, and install. You can use a clear plastic (Plexiglass or Lexan) flip cover with a rubber weather-seal to close it. Keep enough room inside and heat shouldn't be too big a problem. Vents somewhere on it where water won't spray directly inside should fix it if you still have a problem there. If thickness is an issue (it may be to keep size down), constructing the thing over a carved foam block, then using a solvent (gas works with the blue foam they sell for making airplanes) to remove the mold material once the epoxy hardens will leave you with just the 'glass, and no core material. Much thinner and just about as strong, but you usually need to through-bolt hinges and whatever to it...the 'glass won't hold a screw well, as it won't be very long if it isn't to penetrate all the way through. The foam can be cut with a hot wire, or knives, Sureform tools and/or sandpaper. Avoid sharp corners, but otherwise shape as needed. If you are really going to try this, talk to the folks at the local marina for pointers and advice on specific brands and options like bulking products for fillers. I've only done one or two things like this, and seen a couple more done, so I'm no expert on it. >Also, any recommendations for a glue intended for plastic that isn't >solvent based and ideally stays tacky isntead of making a hard surface? That butyl rubber stuff they use for installing windshields? Pretty sticky, and never hardens, though not really a "glue" and isn't good for structural assembly if you want any rigidity (unless you have large overlap joints maybe). -- Mike B. **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 12 12:02:14 2004 Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 12:03:47 -0500 To: Carl Schelin , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Broke back-out bit At 04:59 PM 1/11/04 -0800, Carl Schelin wrote: >Now what? > >I'm thinking it's time to find a local shop that'll get these two >head-rounded screws from one pipe and the flange from the other to get the >engine cleared off. Don't know how well they work, but Sears sells strange-looking bits for removing stripped screws. They look vaguely like an un-natural mating between a countersink and a screw driver bit. The idea seems to be that they are hard enough and sharp enough to dig into the metal of the screw head and get enough grip to turn it out. I think they very creatively call them "Screw-Outs", but I'm not certain. I'd probably use a lot of penetrating oil and/or heat gun with them (wonder if someone used Red Loctite when they put them in? Or are they just rusted?) There's also the "Easy-Out" tools, but it may depend on the size of the screw. I don't think Easy-Outs work for small ones. I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong about that (one of the good things about this list is how helpful people are when you are wrong about something... :^) Other than that, drill them out and tap a new hole...or maybe try a Helicoil. -- Mike B. **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 12 12:03:59 2004 Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 12:05:27 -0500 To: matthew patton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: borrowing 10 min with a cutoff tool? At 06:51 PM 1/11/04 -0800, matthew patton wrote: >All of my tools are in Chicago. Does anybody have an air/elec driven >cutoff tool (think Dremel only bigger) that I could borrow for 10 >minutes (or less) on-site to slice a hex key into bits? Yes, I do. Near Rockville if you don't find another offer closer. Got a vise too, so you don't have to hold it while you cut. :^) -- Mike B. **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 12 12:09:14 2004 Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 12:08:55 -0500 (EST) From: "Daniel H. Brown" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Custom earplugs On Mon, 12 Jan 2004, Julian Halton wrote: > Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 11:55:44 -0500 > From: Julian Halton > To: The dc-cycles list administrator > Subject: Custom earplugs > > > Are they a worthwhile investment? Comfortable and long lasting? Whenever > I use the cheapies when I go out to a range, I always spend a good > amount of time fiddling with these things..would be nice to resolve this > pain in the ass and wondering if those custom fits would do the job. I've had good luck with these: http://www.labsafety.com/store/product_group.asp?dept_id=12619&parent_id=10430 One of the best tricks to getting them settled right is to reach around with your opposite arm and pull back on your earlobe, while inserting the squished earplug in with the same side hand. It opens up your ear canal so the plugs slide in easier. The guys at Morton's showed me that. Seems to work for me. YMMV. -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 12 12:10:50 2004 From: David Cross Subject: Re: The Show - get gear Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 12:10:46 -0500 To: dccycles > the Battley display but thought I would see if anyone here has any > recommendations for a good place to find a truly excellent leather > riding jacket. Try Jay and Lisa with MotorcycleLeatherExchange.com both of whom are list members. They carry new Vanson and Joe Rocket stuff as well as a bunch of used gear. They are located in Rockville. jay@XXXXXX 301-340-0886 -Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 12 12:15:06 2004 Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 12:14:18 -0500 To: Tom De , DC Cycles From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Block Repair {dumbass duly assigned} At 06:52 AM 1/12/04 -0800, Tom De wrote: >Saw this (http://virtual-adnet.com) on late night TV >once. REALLY bad video, big claims. They fixed alot >of "block" type stuff, i.e. transmission eyelet >rebuilt from scratch. No big welding tools, just a >propane torch. Doesn't dip from working area. Sounds >nice.... YMMV... > >I've NEVER used it, Never known anybody who has, but >for $45 for 1 1/2 lbs ($25 for 1/2), it could work out >for you. I'd check www.google.com, groups.google.com >first. I've used it. It works well enough, *if* you keep in mind that it is NOT welding, as they imply/claim. You aren't melting the two parts you are joining, you are just soldering/brazing them with the product. The product melts, and acts like a metalic glue, not as a filler for a weld. This can be strong, but it is NOT as strong as a good weld. Brazing has its uses, and that's what this stuff is doing, so if that's what you need, it works well enough. I wouldn't use it for anything where high stress, high temps or serious problems upon failure would be factors. I.e. use it to fix your mirror stalk or luggage rack maybe, but not your front forks or engine mounts. -- Mike B. **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 12 12:15:24 2004 From: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" To: "'David Cross'" , dccycles Subject: RE: The Show - get gear Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 12:15:06 -0500 I second. Jay and Lisa are great. Prices are excellent. I highly recommend them to everyone I know. -----Original Message----- From: David Cross [mailto:dc-cycles@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 12:11 PM To: dccycles Subject: Re: The Show - get gear > the Battley display but thought I would see if anyone here has any > recommendations for a good place to find a truly excellent leather > riding jacket. Try Jay and Lisa with MotorcycleLeatherExchange.com both of whom are list members. They carry new Vanson and Joe Rocket stuff as well as a bunch of used gear. They are located in Rockville. jay@XXXXXX 301-340-0886 -Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 12 12:17:52 2004 Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 12:17:23 -0500 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: omni@XXXXXX, dm_gsxr@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike Show X-AOL-IP: 12.36.128.140 In a message dated 1/12/2004 11:25:31 AM Eastern Standard Time, omni@XXXXXX writes: > >Sorry we missed any of you. One guy asked if I really rode to the show (I > >was wearing my JR jacket). See you at the next event. > > Yeah, sorry we missed you too. Next time. We did run into Scooter though. > Hi again! :^) > > -- Mike B. > Yep. I lost everyone I walked in with but, had fun looking. :-) And for those of you doubting Mike B's height, he is TALL. I'm 6'2" and even I had to look up. ;-) Scooter From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 12 12:31:58 2004 Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 12:30:51 -0500 To: Wayne Edelen , The dc-cycles list administrator From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: missing SV At 11:57 AM 1/12/04 -0500, Wayne Edelen wrote: >On Mon, 12 Jan 2004, Mike Bartman wrote: > >> The sport bikes, other than BMW maybe, are hopeless. :^) >> >> -- Mike B. > >Are you large waisted? Not particularly. 42" waist at the moment. At 38" I looked very skinny. >I have plenty of sportbike riding friends >taller than you that have no problem riding, but they are all very >athletic. One of my friends is 6'7" and his street ride was a GSXR1k, >until he switched to an R6 for track riding only. I'm 6'6", with a 34" inseam. The problem with most bikes is not all that great...only an inch or two of position shift and they work fine. It's due to the leg being long enough that by the time I've gone all the way out to the knee, and then back down to the pegs, the angle has shifted enough that I can't pull my toes back far enough to stay off the brake or reach the shifter for a downshift without lifting my whole leg (shifting up isn't usually a problem). If you want to simulate it, just move your knee straight down a few inches from your usual position and see how that affects your foot angle. Or I'll show you what I mean at some IRL meeting with bikes present. >And for the big and tall, a Hayabusa can't be beat for comfort. Lots of >300-375lb guys riding them, short and tall. :-) There is a video of me >racing another Hayabusa on my website. The guy I'm racing is over 360lbs >:-) I bet that gives you quite an advantage! :^) I only weigh 275 lbs, and I'm working on dropping that to about 250 or so. I had no extra body fat at all back when I was 235, but I'm not 28 anymore either, so I'm trying to be realistic. ;^) Once I put the Bubba's Brakes extended floorboard kit on the Herritage it got really comfy, so I'm all set. I was just checking out the Buels and other small bikes to see if taking the BRC was a possibility. Doesn't look like it, unless it's kosher to sit on the passenger pillion while riding. The MC-HOGs are planning a private Advanced course this spring, and I'm going to try really hard to get into that one...and will keep working on slow-speed stuff on my own. I could pass the MD test now, but I doubt if I could win any of the rally events yet. :^) -- Mike B. **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 12 13:13:48 2004 Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 13:12:31 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" To: Mike Bartman CC: Rob Sharp , DC-Cycles Subject: Re: It's not cold in the garage, wrenching Mike Bartman wrote: > They are also considerably faster when working in cramped areas where you > can't swing a wrench very far, and can be very useful in removing stubborn > bolts and nuts...if the impact wrench won't do it, you can always use the > air hammer and a chisel and buy a new bolt or nut. Had to do that once to > get a hitch ball nut off...cut a notch on one face, then shift the angle > and hammer it around. Noisy, especially in a carport, but effective! > Penetrating oil and heat hadn't budged it at all, but the air hammer did > the trick! > The Blue Tip Wrench is the only way I'll get my trailer hitchs fixed. Both trucks have receivers that have rusted in place. I can change balls on one, but the other has a welded flip rig, 2" upside, and 1 7/8" on the downside which is useless since I can't get the receiver out. Rust never sleeps. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 12 13:16:10 2004 Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 13:14:58 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" To: Fish Flowers CC: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: This Week's Breakage. Fish Flowers wrote: > My left-rear turn indicator seems to be going on the fritz. When I was > riding home from the range on Saturday it would cease working, then blink > a few times, then go dark again. Dark again all today. > > I'm not sure if this really counts as a week's worth of broken bits, > though, because my headlamp low beam mysteriously turned back on > yesterday. > > Fish. > i think my bike just doesn't like the cold When my left turn signal refuses to activate it's my early warning sign that the battery is low. Next warning sign - ratty ignition firing. Final warning - push mode. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 12 13:25:57 2004 Subject: Interceptor shifting woes Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 13:25:48 -0500 From: "Verde, Robert" To: With the advent of really brisk temps, my Honda Interceptor has developed an aversion to downshifting. Shifts up gears fine (a little "sticky" but nothing unusual) but downshifting had me practically standing on the shift lever. I changed the oil recently, and did switch from Mobil 1 to dino (anathema, I know...) but the shifting seemed fine until Saturday, when it became a real PITA to downshift. A bit better today, and the warmer the bike got in traffic the easier the shifting became, but it's still nowhere near the easy shifting I used to enjoy. Any tips from the list before I schedule a service appointment? I do have the shop manual, but can't find anything that addresses problems downshifting, that wouldn't also be affecting the upshift. Doesn't seem to matter if it's running or not, and the shift lever is also slow returning to neutral (ready for next shift). Any help gratefully appreciated! Robert Verde From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 12 13:30:36 2004 Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 10:30:34 -0800 (PST) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: This Week's Breakage. On Mon, 12 Jan 2004, William J. Huson wrote: > When my left turn signal refuses to activate it's my early warning sign > that the battery is low. Next warning sign - ratty ignition firing. > Final warning - push mode. Ugh. The bike is also having issues starting -- it cranks for a while, then either starts or backfires and THEN starts. I'm running a new battery, and I do over 300 miles a week, so I'd be kind of surprised if the battery were low, but I'll check it over when I get home tonight just to be sure. Thanks for the heads-up. Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 12 13:35:36 2004 Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 13:31:40 -0500 From: Tom To: "Verde, Robert" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Interceptor shifting woes What weight oil did you use? It was very cold on Sat, the oils weight and the cold could have something to do with it. Tom de '98 VTR Verde, Robert wrote: >With the advent of really brisk temps, my Honda Interceptor has developed an aversion to downshifting. Shifts up gears fine (a little "sticky" but nothing unusual) but downshifting had me practically standing on the shift lever. I changed the oil recently, and did switch from Mobil 1 to dino (anathema, I know...) but the shifting seemed fine until Saturday, when it became a real PITA to downshift. A bit better today, and the warmer the bike got in traffic the easier the shifting became, but it's still nowhere near the easy shifting I used to enjoy. > >Any tips from the list before I schedule a service appointment? I do have the shop manual, but can't find anything that addresses problems downshifting, that wouldn't also be affecting the upshift. Doesn't seem to matter if it's running or not, and the shift lever is also slow returning to neutral (ready for next shift). > >Any help gratefully appreciated! > >Robert Verde > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 12 13:37:18 2004 Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 13:38:47 -0500 To: "William J. Huson" From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: It's not cold in the garage, wrenching Cc: DC-Cycles At 01:12 PM 1/12/04 -0500, William J. Huson wrote: >The Blue Tip Wrench is the only way I'll get my trailer hitchs fixed. ;^) >useless since I can't get the receiver out. Rust never sleeps. I just got one of those nice H-D logo hitch plugs for Xmas. Shot a bunch of T-9 in there, then installed it. I'm hoping that will keep the rust under control in there, but I'll check periodically. I don't keep the hitch ball carrier in there unless I need to tow something. The reason was to simplify installing the bike carrier, but you've given me another reason not to. Thanks! If you can't be a good example, at least you can serve as a hideous warning! :^) -- Mike B. **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 12 13:42:11 2004 Subject: RE: Interceptor shifting woes Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 13:42:02 -0500 From: "Verde, Robert" To: "Tom" Cc: I was thinking that too, and did switch to 10W-40 (from the Mobil 1 20W50) but I've never had a problem before in cold weather. Admittedly not quite this cold, but the problem seems to persist even when the bike is warm, i.e., the radiator fans come on. Plus the problem was still present this morning, and the temps were pretty mild. Probably some vital part failing... I'm starting to sound like William! Robert -----Original Message----- From: Tom [mailto:tdeboeser@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 1:32 PM To: Verde, Robert Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Interceptor shifting woes What weight oil did you use? It was very cold on Sat, the oils weight and the cold could have something to do with it. Tom de '98 VTR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 12 13:50:58 2004 Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 13:52:31 -0500 To: Fish Flowers , DC-Cycles From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: This Week's Breakage. At 10:30 AM 1/12/04 -0800, Fish Flowers wrote: >On Mon, 12 Jan 2004, William J. Huson wrote: > >> When my left turn signal refuses to activate it's my early warning sign >> that the battery is low. Next warning sign - ratty ignition firing. >> Final warning - push mode. > >Ugh. The bike is also having issues starting -- it cranks for a while, >then either starts or backfires and THEN starts. I'm running a new >battery, and I do over 300 miles a week, so I'd be kind of surprised if >the battery were low, but I'll check it over when I get home tonight just >to be sure. Thanks for the heads-up. Corroded connections can simulate low battery sometimes. High resistance at a given voltage equals low current (Voltage = Current X Resistance...rearrange Ohm's Law as needed). Make sure your battery connections are clean and tight...especially the ground one. Then check other connectors on the bike too. Also, a short somewhere in the system can drop current elsewhere...path of least resistance. That usually blows fuses or trips breakers, but if it's a high resistance short, or intermittent and short enough in duration, it might stay under the trip/blow limits but still be keeping a lot of power away from other things that need it. One last thing is that batteries don't tend to put out as well when really cold...it's a chemical reaction after all, and more active atoms react quicker. in general. :^) With all the starter and engine parts shrunk down to minimum clearances and the oil getting thick from the cold it's one of those situations where everything is out of tolerance in the same direction and starts get harder to do. If I remember right, you keep your bike outside, not in a garage? Electricity isn't all that complicated, but it can be frustrating at times. :^) -- Mike B. **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 12 13:51:14 2004 From: Michael Lynch To: "'Verde, Robert'" , Tom Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Interceptor shifting woes Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 13:57:08 -0500 The shift shaft is short and entirely contained under a cover on the left side of the motor. Perhaps some oil in there has congealed or the detent spring went screwy? FWIW, mine shifts like crap once about 2k miles are on an oil change. Once it's fresh again, it's back to silky Honda shifting, like clockwork. The other thought was possibly bleed the clutch? Mike 98 XR400 96 VFR 76 CB400F > -----Original Message----- > From: Verde, Robert [SMTP:Robert.Verde@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 1:42 PM > To: Tom > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Interceptor shifting woes > > I was thinking that too, and did switch to 10W-40 (from the Mobil 1 20W50) > but I've never had a problem before in cold weather. Admittedly not quite > this cold, but the problem seems to persist even when the bike is warm, > i.e., the radiator fans come on. Plus the problem was still present this > morning, and the temps were pretty mild. > > Probably some vital part failing... I'm starting to sound like William! > > Robert > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom [mailto:tdeboeser@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 1:32 PM > To: Verde, Robert > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Interceptor shifting woes > > > What weight oil did you use? It was very cold on Sat, the oils weight > and the cold could have something to do with it. > > Tom de '98 VTR > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 12 13:51:56 2004 Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 13:44:16 -0500 To: "Verde, Robert" , From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Interceptor shifting woes At 01:25 PM 1/12/04 -0500, Verde, Robert wrote: >With the advent of really brisk temps, my Honda Interceptor has developed an aversion to downshifting. >I changed the oil recently, and did switch from Mobil 1 to dino >the warmer the bike got in traffic the easier the shifting became >the shift lever is also slow returning to neutral (ready for next shift). Non-expert opinion? It's either the wrong grade of oil for the current temps (too thick and now half frozen), or there's been some sort of reaction with the Mobil 1 you had in there previously (unlikely...I've heard you can switch without totally flushing the system out). Only other thing I can think of might be some sort of debris that's gotten into the tranny and is jamming the gears as they try to slide on the shafts. Does it do the same thing for all gears, or just some of them? -- Mike B. **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 12 13:53:22 2004 From: Han Park To: DC-Cycles Subject: RE: [Maybe Spam] Show Nits Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 13:53:33 -0500 The best part of the show in the back was the back flip the guy did as the last stunt. Very cool and impressive. I watched the show twice on Friday and the first time he crashed on landing. I figured, well he won't attempt the back flip again. Next show, he did the back flip and he nailed the landing. That was the highlight of the show for me. I was disappointed that Honda didn't bring out any of their race bikes. Although the Yamaha M1 was there. han -----Original Message----- From: Mobacc [mailto:mobacc@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 8:18 PM To: DC-Cycles Subject: [Maybe Spam] Show Nits Rocky scheduling sent me to show this pm. Nits: o The show at the back was terrific. Fruit for many discussions of MC skills acquisition (Fox5 Holly did a usual great promo by standing in middle of ball racers this am). o Noted Shoei, Arai, Nolan displays (helmets have been mentioned here). Also H, K, S, Y, Vic, HD. My thoughts: Blockbuster, no. Worthwhile, yes. Not the NY show attended a few years ago. Bill S. / DC '99 VN750 > still in production after 16? years. Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 12 13:58:41 2004 Subject: RE: Interceptor shifting woes Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 13:58:32 -0500 From: "Verde, Robert" To: "Michael Lynch" Cc: , "Tom" I'll check under the cover tonight, see if I can identify a problem, but I would think even ten-weight oil (the lower end of the spectrum) would not congeal that badly. We'll see. The clutch seems to be okay, in that it doesn't drag while I'm waiting at a light, and it seems to disengage fine. And as mentioned, the shifting is only a problem on the downshift, up shifting is easy. I would think shifting either way would have problems if the clutch was an issue. I've considered the detent spring, and remember that it was cited as a problem for other Honda owners, so I'll check the VF/VFR archives and see if there are more recent comments. Only thing I've done since then was lube the chain and change some bulbs in the instrument panel. Hmmm.... Robert -----Original Message----- From: Michael Lynch [mailto:MLynch@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 1:57 PM To: Verde, Robert; Tom Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Interceptor shifting woes The shift shaft is short and entirely contained under a cover on the left side of the motor. Perhaps some oil in there has congealed or the detent spring went screwy? FWIW, mine shifts like crap once about 2k miles are on an oil change. Once it's fresh again, it's back to silky Honda shifting, like clockwork. The other thought was possibly bleed the clutch? Mike 98 XR400 96 VFR 76 CB400F From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 12 14:03:11 2004 Subject: RE: Interceptor shifting woes Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 14:02:57 -0500 From: "Verde, Robert" To: "Mike Bartman" Cc: It's the same for all gears; I came to a stop on Saturday without downshifting as I slowed, and had to struggle to drop each gear. Push, curse, lift lever with toe until it clicked, repeat. Occasionally it would pop up to neutral on it's own, but seemed "rusty" every time I tried it. Annoying thing is that it upshifts easily, so applying the same amount of force to the lever shifted me up a gear, then I had to struggle to shift down again. Might be too cold for the oil, but if it the oil, I'm never using dino or blend again. Dangit. Robert -----Original Message----- From: Mike Bartman [mailto:omni@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 1:44 PM To: Verde, Robert; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Interceptor shifting woes Non-expert opinion? It's either the wrong grade of oil for the current temps (too thick and now half frozen), or there's been some sort of reaction with the Mobil 1 you had in there previously (unlikely...I've heard you can switch without totally flushing the system out). Only other thing I can think of might be some sort of debris that's gotten into the tranny and is jamming the gears as they try to slide on the shafts. Does it do the same thing for all gears, or just some of them? -- Mike B. **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 12 14:07:47 2004 Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 11:07:45 -0800 (PST) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: This Week's Breakage. On Mon, 12 Jan 2004, Mike Bartman wrote: > Corroded connections can simulate low battery sometimes. Yeah, I'll be checking the major connectors (those I know about anyway) when I check the battery. Probably toss the battery on a tender overnight. > If I remember right, you keep your bike outside, not in a garage? Not anymore. It now lives in the garage... which can get pretty dern cold itself, but not quite as bad as the outside. Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 12 14:17:20 2004 Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 11:17:05 -0800 (PST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: RE: [Maybe Spam] Show Nits To: DC-Cycles How badly did he crash? The first show Saturday, he landed, but wasn't straight up, so when he hit the brakes, the bike slid out from under him and wacked another bike, then the gate. He got up and dusted himself off. Good demo of riding gear. Got it captured on my digital camera. --- Han Park wrote: > The best part of the show in the back was the back flip the guy did > as the last stunt. Very cool and impressive. I watched the show twice on > Friday and the first time he crashed on landing. I figured, well he won't > attempt the back flip again. Next show, he did the back flip and he nailed > the landing. That was the highlight of the show for me. I was disappointed > that Honda didn't bring out any of their race bikes. Although the Yamaha M1 > was there. > > han ===== "Admiral" Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours Fairfax, VA Please consider helping me support the Pediatric Brain Tumor Foundation http://www.geocities.com/nighthawk700/rideforkids.htm __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 12 15:40:01 2004 From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Subject: DC Moto Show Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 15:44:55 -0500 Volvoed to the Moto show Sunday morning. It was cold, I have Gerbing gear, but being parsimonious, didn't want to check it. . General: . The show didn't seem to be as big as last year's shindig out by Dulles. But, the Italian bikes had nice booths. . Tried on several dual purpose bikes and I fanaticized riding a V-Strom or DLR 650 to Costa Rica. (Could not even tippy-toe the Honda.). . Did find some bah-gans: . Held touring gloves $50 at the Battley's booth. (Some were $75, others $150; the ones that fit me had a $50 tag :^) Those not sold at the show will go back to their clearance corner. . Bought a pair of Phoenix pants for $96 (+tax). Guy asked $119 but I said "nah". He replied, "Where have you seen them cheaper?" I ad libbed "Brockton Cycles, for $96". He furrowed his brow, then said, "Yeah, I can do that." (I must have been thinking of someone else cuz Brockton doesn't do Joe Rocket. Oh,well; he made a sale, & I got a bah-gan. Two happy people.) . If I had been looking for a flip up helmet, they had Nolans for ~$235 (Cheaper at Helmet City) and Arrows for ~$20 less. The flip up feature is pretty kewl as some folks have attested. . Also, Bohn had back protectors for $99, and jacket liners for ~$160 (Sigh, the 'Stich is tight enuff as it is.) . Other: . Met Larry Grodsky, got free Virginia map (interesting mix), chatted about funnest way to hop onto the BRP. . Subscribed to "Road Runner" mag (even though their article on SE Ohio left out 555! -- But, maybe that's a Good Thing (TM)) . Prexport boots: Well, my 20+ year-old Totes ripped and Totes doesn't make the tall slip-ons anymore. (Yeah, I have thicker rubber boots but the Totes packed so nicely.") . . So, "Gee honey" guess I need to look for some waterproof boots. Prexport WP539 boots. inside lace up like the Sidis but, $199 minus 10%. Hmmm, got them for $161. Review on a "693 was favorable" Any comments on the Prexports? Complaints (Hey, I'm a grumpy olde geezer): . The "Iron ball" was just too noisy. . Food was pricey; $4 for a dog. Bud/bud light for $4 (Bleah) but someone was selling decent brews for $2.50 a bottle on the south side. Ah, but China town is just two blocks south of the convention center. . It's amazing the crap that they sell at bikes shows. But H. L. Mencken noted that no one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American consumer. Carl in Bethesda. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 12 15:45:25 2004 Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 15:41:29 -0500 From: Tom To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Interceptor shifting woes Verde, Robert wrote: >It's the same for all gears; I came to a stop on Saturday without downshifting as I slowed, and had to struggle to drop each gear. Push, curse, lift lever with toe until it clicked, repeat. Occasionally it would pop up to neutral on it's own, but seemed "rusty" every time I tried it. Annoying thing is that it upshifts easily, so applying the same amount of force to the lever shifted me up a gear, then I had to struggle to shift down again. > > >Might be too cold for the oil, but if it the oil, I'm never using dino or blend again. Dangit. > > Ummm... prob not the oil. Whens the last time you changed the clutch fluid? If its old then there could be a little water in the line. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 12 15:55:49 2004 Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 15:54:37 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" To: Mike Bartman CC: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: It's not cold in the garage, wrenching Mike Bartman wrote: > At 01:12 PM 1/12/04 -0500, William J. Huson wrote: > > >The Blue Tip Wrench is the only way I'll get my trailer hitchs fixed. > > ;^) > > >useless since I can't get the receiver out. Rust never sleeps. > > I just got one of those nice H-D logo hitch plugs for Xmas. Shot a bunch > of T-9 in there, then installed it. I'm hoping that will keep the rust > under control in there, but I'll check periodically. I don't keep the > hitch ball carrier in there unless I need to tow something. The reason was > to simplify installing the bike carrier, but you've given me another reason > not to. Thanks! Bumper awash while launcing boats in brackish (a bit salty) didn't help, nor did running the surf wash on the beach. Hey, sand is hard in the wet and you can haul butt -- yahhoo! > If you can't be a good example, at least you can serve as a hideous > warning! :^) Fer sure :-) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 12 17:03:29 2004 Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 17:01:33 -0500 To: Fish Flowers , DC-Cycles From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: This Week's Breakage. At 11:07 AM 1/12/04 -0800, Fish Flowers wrote: >On Mon, 12 Jan 2004, Mike Bartman wrote: >> If I remember right, you keep your bike outside, not in a garage? > >Not anymore. It now lives in the garage... which can get pretty dern cold >itself, but not quite as bad as the outside. That's good! Warmer is better...even a little bit. :^) -- Mike B. **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 12 17:12:15 2004 Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 17:09:42 -0500 To: "Custer, Carl" , "'DCCycles'" From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: DC Moto Show At 03:44 PM 1/12/04 -0500, Custer, Carl wrote: >Complaints (Hey, I'm a grumpy olde geezer): >. >The "Iron ball" was just too noisy. Yeah, their PA system sux big time. It was just a blare down on the floor, and from the food balcony, it was at a tollerable volume, but completely unintelligible. Sort of like Charley Brown's Teacher on steroids. They guy did nail the backflip, which was impressive. The tripple riders in the ball was also impressive...that they can maintain their orientation while doing that is just amazing...and they were close enough at their heads to smack into each other if anyone didn't follow the proper line at any time. >Food was pricey; $4 for a dog. Yes, but it wasn't a all bad for event food. Got a cheese burger for $6 that was enough better than McD's to be worth the extra money. Since neither of us was starving, my GF and I split it and there was plenty for both of us. -- Mike Bartman **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 12 17:12:20 2004 Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 17:13:25 -0500 To: "William J. Huson" From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: It's not cold in the garage, wrenching Cc: DC-Cycles At 03:54 PM 1/12/04 -0500, William J. Huson wrote: >Bumper awash while launcing boats in brackish (a bit salty) didn't help, nor did >running the surf wash on the beach. That'll do it! I wonder if putting a sacrificial zinc on your vehicle would help any? It seems to for boats, but they are immersed all the time so there are good paths for the currents. Might be worth a shot anyway, they aren't expensive. Just bolt it to the bottom of the receiver maybe. > Hey, sand is hard in the wet and you can haul butt -- yahhoo! You aren't likely to run through a radar trap either! Though it you do, it's probably the Navy and they'll ignore anything above the surf line. :^) -- Mike B. **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 12 18:56:56 2004 From: Han Park To: DC-Cycles Subject: RE: [Maybe Spam] Show Nits Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 18:57:03 -0500 He crashed on landing, came down a little crooked and the bike slid out. That's as far as I could tell. I was in front of the take-off ramp and it was partially obscured. I was also looking through the window of my digital camera as well. I didn't know he was going to do a back flip (the loudspeakers were facing the other way, all I could hear was loud mumbling) so I was more interested in getting him mid flight thinking it was going to be a more "conventional" jump. han -----Original Message----- From: Louis F. Caplan [mailto:nighthawk700@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 2:17 PM To: DC-Cycles Subject: RE: [Maybe Spam] Show Nits How badly did he crash? The first show Saturday, he landed, but wasn't straight up, so when he hit the brakes, the bike slid out from under him and wacked another bike, then the gate. He got up and dusted himself off. Good demo of riding gear. Got it captured on my digital camera. --- Han Park wrote: > The best part of the show in the back was the back flip the guy did > as the last stunt. Very cool and impressive. I watched the show twice on > Friday and the first time he crashed on landing. I figured, well he won't > attempt the back flip again. Next show, he did the back flip and he nailed > the landing. That was the highlight of the show for me. I was disappointed > that Honda didn't bring out any of their race bikes. Although the Yamaha M1 > was there. > > han ===== "Admiral" Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours Fairfax, VA Please consider helping me support the Pediatric Brain Tumor Foundation http://www.geocities.com/nighthawk700/rideforkids.htm __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 12 19:03:02 2004 Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 16:02:43 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: RE: borrowing 10 min with a cutoff tool? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX thanks for all the offers. I was in downtown freddyburg waiting for my friend at the doctors, walked into a random auto-mechanic's shop and asked if he could do it. 3 min later and $5 lighter in the wallet I got what I needed. Sucks not having any decent tools... ===== "Be kind and compassionate to one another, forgiving each other, just as in Christ God forgave you." Ephesians 4:32 Hurt and disappointment enter every marriage from time to time. When this happens, we choose to either forgive or develop resentment. Love will not last if we do not learn to forgive. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 09:07:39 2004 Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 09:06:20 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Free BMW parts! I have one Beemer piston, two valve, with three (rusty) compression rings and a wiper ring above the piston pin and one wiper below. It is marked 72.91 and 1.0 B and R 69. Also, TWO brand spanky new pistons, four valve, that appear to be for the same bore BMW (maybe oversize). They have 3 ring slots. FREE! Use them for a rebuild or coffee table decoration, I don't care. Call 703-624-9648 Bill Huson- location Annandale VA From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 10:30:44 2004 Subject: RE: Interceptor shifting woes - Update Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 10:30:34 -0500 From: "Verde, Robert" To: Thanks to all the listers who proffered suggestions, especially Tom, Judy, and Matthew, who all pointed me towards the clutch fluid as being the root issue. On the ride back yesterday, the clutch problem manifested itself a couple of times, but pumping the clutch seemed to help the symptoms. At this point, I think I need to completely change the clutch fluid, as I have not done so recently, and it probably has water/ice in it now. If that doesn't clear it up, then the next step is to clean/inspect the clutch slave cylinder. Much obliged to all! Robert From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 13:13:13 2004 Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 10:13:09 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: show aftermath: buying a new 2004? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX want to know how much the bike REALLY costs the dealer? I have the reports for several bikes (standards) and have a coupon for $5 off that expires in 7 days from cyclebuy.com. I'd hate to have it go to waste. ===== * A successful marriage isn't finding the right person; it's being the right person. * To forgive is to set the prisoner free and then discover the prisoner was you. * Liberalism always generates the exact opposite of it's stated intent. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 13:33:16 2004 Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 13:32:19 -0500 From: Skip To: DC Cycles Subject: cracked block, and TIG welding Well, from what I've heard, if it is done properly, the block *can* be TIG welded if it is done right. Does anyone know of a good welder in the Front Royal area? This is on a 96 Saturn, btw. thanks! --skip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 13 16:02:57 2004 From: Jason Picton To: DC Cycles Subject: FYI - Bad accident on I95 between DC and Balt - it's shut down bo th ways Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 16:02:32 -0500 http://www.nbc4.com/travelgetaways/2761942/detail.html?treets=dc&tml=dc_brea k&ts=T&tmi=dc_break_3887_02350101132004 Fiery Crash Snarls I-95 Traffic Tanker Truck Crashes In Howard County UPDATED: 3:44 PM EST January 13, 2004 ELKRIDGE, Md. -- Traffic along Interstate 95 is expected to be backed up this afternoon because of a fiery crash involving a tanker truck. The interstate is closed in both directions, and traffic is backed up for some distance. Jason From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 14 07:41:41 2004 From: "Jim Caldwell" To: Subject: Ramps for sale Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 07:36:47 -0500 I have a pair of folding steel ramps for sale (I bought a trailer). First $25 takes them. Jim Caldwell Owings, MD From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 14 09:14:09 2004 From: "Joe Rail" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Helmet liner repair Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 09:02:07 -0500 The warm and soft terry cloth liner of my winter helmet is starting to pull away from the material inside the helmet. Any suggestions for a glue or adhesive that would be best suited for securing the cloth back in place? _________________________________________________________________ Check out the new MSN 9 Dial-up ^[)BM-^W fast & reliable Internet access with prime features! http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=dialup/home&ST=1 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 14 09:49:11 2004 Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 09:49:01 -0500 (EST) From: "Daniel H. Brown" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Helmet liner repair On Wed, 14 Jan 2004, Joe Rail wrote: > Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 09:02:07 -0500 > From: Joe Rail > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Helmet liner repair > > The warm and soft terry cloth liner of my winter helmet is starting to pull > away from the material inside the helmet. Any suggestions for a glue or > adhesive that would be best suited for securing the cloth back in place? How old is the helmet? I've heard quoted that moto lids need to be replaced every few years due to the general deterioration of the materials used to build them. If the cloth stuff is coming off, maybe it might be time to shop for a new one?? Have you talked to the manufacturer? Is there a warrantee for such items? -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 14 10:48:30 2004 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Helmet liner repair Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 10:36:58 -0500 What is the difference between your winter helmets and other(s)? >From: "Joe Rail" >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Helmet liner repair >Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 09:02:07 -0500 > >The warm and soft terry cloth liner of my winter helmet is starting to pull >away from the material inside the helmet. Any suggestions for a glue or >adhesive that would be best suited for securing the cloth back in place? > >_________________________________________________________________ >Check out the new MSN 9 Dial-up ^[)BM-^W fast & reliable Internet access with >prime features! http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=dialup/home&ST=1 > _________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE online virus check for your PC here, from McAfee. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 14 11:31:14 2004 Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 11:32:44 -0500 To: "Joe Rail" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Helmet liner repair At 09:02 AM 1/14/04 -0500, Joe Rail wrote: >The warm and soft terry cloth liner of my winter helmet is starting to pull >away from the material inside the helmet. Any suggestions for a glue or >adhesive that would be best suited for securing the cloth back in place? Not really, but you might try contacting the manufacturer and ask them what they recommend. You don't want anything that's going to weaken the shell, and they might just be willing to fix it for you, depending on how old the helmet is. -- Mike B. **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 14 11:46:15 2004 From: "stephen" To: "rich hall" , Subject: RE: Winter Helmets (was Helmet liner repair) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 11:45:25 -0500 Rocket Scientist Dobson .. On the scene .. ready to answer this, and other similar mind numbing questions: A winter helmet is the helmet worn during the winter months. It is the one most likely to hit pavement in slushy road conditions, to take the crappiness of the season and then get put away in the spring-time for the "summer" helmet. It's also the one with which you wear a balaclava. In doing so, your head swells and the foam inside doesn't fit snugly when you're not wearing it. While I'm at it, the "Summer" helmet isn't actually used exclusively during the summer, but actually during most non-winter-feeling times of year. For instance, if there's a snow-storm in October or May, you'd probably wear your "winter" helmet for a few days (with the balaclava of course) even though it's technically the middle of autumn or spring. Unbeknownst to most, DC residents don't really have a "winter" per se, so it's not surprising that you're not familiar with the term. Those of us from more Northerly climes are evidently more accustomed to such banter. Stephen > -----Original Message----- > From: rich hall [mailto:richallmc@XXXXXX] > > What is the difference between your winter helmets and other(s)? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 14 15:30:17 2004 Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 12:30:12 -0800 (PST) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Guess who's upstairs To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX 'da big 'W' is in the auditorium. Hopefully he'll be there for another 45 minutes so I can get out of here on time. Ready for the "big snow"? Carl __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 14 15:42:35 2004 Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 15:42:26 -0500 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: Guess who's upstairs To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX One of the list Carls bragged: >'da big 'W' is in the auditorium. Hopefully he'll be there >for another 45 minutes so I can get out of here on time. > >Ready for the "big snow"? [Dave] Ya know, a few years back, the former big "W" (that's Willie Jeff Clinton) paid a visit to Bernie Ebbers out at the palacial Worldcom campus. My wife was stuck there for hours, and hours even after he cleared out... The intern girls got their own helicopter... ;-) Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 14 15:49:09 2004 Subject: Re: Guess who's upstairs From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 14 Jan 2004 15:45:36 -0500 On Wed, 2004-01-14 at 15:42, Dave Yates wrote: > One of the list Carls bragged: > > >'da big 'W' is in the auditorium. Hopefully he'll be there > >for another 45 minutes so I can get out of here on time. > > > >Ready for the "big snow"? > > [Dave] Ya know, a few years back, the former big "W" (that's > Willie Jeff Clinton) paid a visit to Bernie Ebbers out at the > palacial Worldcom campus. My wife was stuck there for hours, > and hours even after he cleared out... > Maybe because I'm on the ratbike (I mean, sportbike ;-) I'll be able to slip out quickly. > The intern girls got their own helicopter... ;-) Uh huh. I'll just be over here, typing... > > Dave Yates > Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 14 15:56:10 2004 Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 15:57:47 -0500 To: Carl Schelin , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Guess who's upstairs At 12:30 PM 1/14/04 -0800, Carl Schelin wrote: >'da big 'W' is in the auditorium. Hopefully he'll be there for another 45 >minutes so I can get out of here on time. Guess we'll finally get some details about the new moon base plans. Or at least, confirmation/denial of the many rumors that have been floating around for a week. >Ready for the "big snow"? Yeah, I loaded up on TP, milk and bread yesterday... :^) The bike's in the garage, the BT is plugged in, and I'll be putting the cover on it later so I can do some woodworking without getting it all dusty. Thinking about putting some new grips on it, but I'm also thinking that really cold weather is not the best time to be doing that sort of work. Thoughts? -- Mike B. **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 14 15:56:44 2004 Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 15:55:32 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" To: Joe Rail CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Helmet liner repair Others mentioned helmet aging and you should take that into consideration. Repair - a WATER based contact cement is what you need. Solvent based contact cements (don't use near open flame!) will dissolve the styrofoam impact absorbtion liner, which is not good and renders the helmet useless. Water based glues won't hurt the liner. Remember, it's contact cement so carefully line up the terry before you press it into place, because once you press it ain't going nowhere. Bill Joe Rail wrote: > The warm and soft terry cloth liner of my winter helmet is starting to pull > away from the material inside the helmet. Any suggestions for a glue or > adhesive that would be best suited for securing the cloth back in place? > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 14 15:58:01 2004 Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 15:56:49 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: About that helmet liner repair Joe Others mentioned helmet aging and you should take that into consideration. Repair - a WATER based contact cement is what you need. Solvent based contact cements (don't use near open flame!) will dissolve the styrofoam impact absorbtion liner, which is not good and renders the helmet useless. Water based glues won't hurt the liner. Remember, it's contact cement so carefully line up the terry before you press it into place, because once you press it ain't going nowhere. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 14 19:44:51 2004 Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 16:44:47 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: anybody want to win the SV? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I got a potential key to the giveaway SV at the show. I can't be present to try. anybody want to have it? ===== * A successful marriage isn't finding the right person; it's being the right person. * To forgive is to set the prisoner free and then discover the prisoner was you. * Liberalism always generates the exact opposite of it's stated intent. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 14 19:48:57 2004 Reply-To: "S. Russell" From: "S. Russell" To: "matthew patton" , Subject: Re: anybody want to win the SV? Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 19:48:29 -0500 where/when? Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "matthew patton" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 7:44 PM Subject: anybody want to win the SV? > I got a potential key to the giveaway SV at the show. I can't be > present to try. anybody want to have it? > > ===== > * A successful marriage isn't finding the right person; it's being > the right person. > > * To forgive is to set the prisoner free and then discover the > prisoner was you. > > * Liberalism always generates the exact opposite of it's stated intent. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 14 23:20:11 2004 From: Jason Picton To: "'S. Russell '" , "'matthew patton '" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX '" Subject: RE: anybody want to win the SV? Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 23:18:09 -0500 Fyi - most of the keys are all the same if you compare them to others... The contest goes to 3pm if nobody wins - then there is a drawing at 5 - so you either have to comb back or hang around, cause you MUST be present to win - sigh....... Jason -----Original Message----- From: S. Russell To: matthew patton; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Sent: 1/14/2004 7:48 PM Subject: Re: anybody want to win the SV? where/when? Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "matthew patton" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 7:44 PM Subject: anybody want to win the SV? > I got a potential key to the giveaway SV at the show. I can't be > present to try. anybody want to have it? > > ===== > * A successful marriage isn't finding the right person; it's being > the right person. > > * To forgive is to set the prisoner free and then discover the > prisoner was you. > > * Liberalism always generates the exact opposite of it's stated intent. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 15 08:26:16 2004 From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Patti Rodgers please ping me off list Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 8:26:02 -0500 Patti, Don't have your email addy at work. Can you ping me off-list? tks, -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 15 11:55:19 2004 Subject: Shifting woes - Update 2 Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 11:55:06 -0500 From: "Verde, Robert" To: Left work last evening, rode down to MFI to pick up the speedometer cable I'd ordered for the Interceptor. On the way back I went through Manassas, and figured I'd use my storage unit garage to actually do some work out of the weather, the reason I rented the place. After flushing and replacing the clutch fluid, I had a pretty full bottle of brake fluid left over, so I also bled and re-filled the rear brake reservoir until the fluid was clear, and finished by doing the same to the front brakes. Cleaned out the gunk from the shifter linkage with WD-40 and then applied some light oil I had lying around to the shifter linkage, the pivot point on the left foot peg, and the point where the shifter shaft (precise terms...) passes through the front sprocket cover plate. Wow! What a huge difference in the total riding experience! The shifting is now silky smooth both up and down, apparently there had been some salt/road crud/corrosion on the shifter shaft, and the cleaning/lubing made it feel like a new bike! Better than new, actually, as there was no hint of notchiness or difficulty finding a gear. Made it a little hard to find neutral, though, as I find myself shifting right past it when I apply what had become the "usual" amount of force to the lever... Still, small price to pay for the tremendous improvement in shift ease. The brake and clutch action is now firmer and smoother, with the rear brake, already pretty strong, now grabbing the disc with authority yet still providing a nice pedal feel. The front brakes have firmed up too, so I probably had some air/water in the lines I didn't notice before. I even applied a little grease to the brake and clutch lever pivot bolts, completing the tardy maintenance I should have done in the Fall. And, yes, I even remembered to replace the speedo cable, although I had gotten so excited by the progress made on the main problem area I forgot about the replacement until I was all buttoned back up again. Still, it's a labor of love to keep a 1983 bike in shape for a daily commuter. I noticed on the way in this morning (a bracing eighteen degrees...) that there is some odd noise coming from my instrument cluster, a kind of shrill screaming sound. Possibly associated with the speedo cable replacement, the noise increases in pitch when speed picks up, then dies away when the bike comes to a stop. Could also be something to do with the tach, frozen again this morning for half my commute, but hard to identify precisely with full-face helmet and balaclava on... The noise had stopped by the time the bike warmed up enough to free the tach. Whoo-hoo! Another excuse to work in the garage! ;-) Robert From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 15 12:47:39 2004 Subject: Reflections on boots (long-winded) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 12:47:30 -0500 From: "Verde, Robert" To: Yep, it's pretty quiet here today... I was looking over my boots this morning, and noticing that it's about time I think about replacing them. They are the Sidi On-Road Sympatex boot from a few years ago, still nice and toasty, waterproof and so on, but showing severe wear. The soles are getting pretty smooth, and the Velcro tabs are starting to separate in a few places. I had helped my brother pick out a pair of boots a year ago, when he bought his Road King. (Don't call it a Harley, our dad owned several Indians, and looked down on that "up-start" bike manufacturer.) We ended up getting him Danner boots, since we were in Portland, OR, and I couldn't find a moto dealer open the Sunday we went shopping. Nice boots; Gore-Tex, steel toe, no stepped heel, etcetera; but I still felt as if I should have pushed him more to get a pair of "real" motorcycle boots. Now, the other thing I noticed about the Sidi boots I own is that they don't actually have any armor. I didn't notice this before, having my "moto" blinders on, but outside of a little shin padding and possibly a heel cup, they are bereft of the ankle/shin/toe/instep guards I thought should be in a moto boot. So, what boot should I be looking for for the next round of footwear? I need a boot suitable for all weather, so insulated and waterproof. Not sure I want to spend $789.95 (?!) for the Daytona Security Evo boots, but some armor would add to my sense of well being while riding. The Combat Touring Boots offered by Aerostich? Made by Sidi, so I suspect they'd fit the same. Sidi Vertebra 2 Tepor? Looks like it meets the armor and waterproof requirements, still not sold on the styling, I do wear boots into the office occasionally. Other brands? Any/all feedback and suggestions welcome! Robert From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 15 13:16:37 2004 Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 10:16:29 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Reflections on boots (long-winded) To: "Verde, Robert" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX sidi strada tepor (if they still make 'em). no flashy styling but protective, warm, waterproof. -- tg --- "Verde, Robert" wrote: > Yep, it's pretty quiet here today... > > I was looking over my boots this morning, and noticing > that it's about time I think about replacing them. ===== Thomas H. Gimer MURPHY & GIMER, LLC 7940A Wisconsin Avenue Bethesda, MD 20814 301 913-0060 ext. 11; 301 913-5415 (fax) http://www.murphygimer.com **This material is being sent by a law firm and is intended only for the addressee. Various legal protections including the attorney-client privilege can apply to this material and no consent is given to its being read or used by anyone other than the intended recipient. Any other use is unlawful. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 15 13:33:19 2004 From: Han Park To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: [Maybe Spam] Re: Reflections on boots (long-winded) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 13:33:30 -0500 Ever thought about going to a shoe maker to get the boots resoled? Or send them back to Sidi to get them resoled? han -----Original Message----- From: Tom Gimer [mailto:t_gimer@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 1:16 PM To: Verde, Robert; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [Maybe Spam] Re: Reflections on boots (long-winded) sidi strada tepor (if they still make 'em). no flashy styling but protective, warm, waterproof. -- tg --- "Verde, Robert" wrote: > Yep, it's pretty quiet here today... > > I was looking over my boots this morning, and noticing > that it's about time I think about replacing them. ===== Thomas H. Gimer MURPHY & GIMER, LLC 7940A Wisconsin Avenue Bethesda, MD 20814 301 913-0060 ext. 11; 301 913-5415 (fax) http://www.murphygimer.com **This material is being sent by a law firm and is intended only for the addressee. Various legal protections including the attorney-client privilege can apply to this material and no consent is given to its being read or used by anyone other than the intended recipient. Any other use is unlawful. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 15 13:41:50 2004 Subject: RE: [Maybe Spam] Re: Reflections on boots (long-winded) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 13:41:40 -0500 From: "Verde, Robert" To: "Han Park" , I've thought about it, but there are a host of wear-related reasons I'm considering new boots; lining is wearing around the inside top, leather outers are scuffed and stained (especially the toes) and some of the Velcro tabs and loops are starting to separate. Add to that the lack of real armor, and I'd feel better upgrading the foot armor. By the way, not sure if it is common to all Sidi boots, or just this run, but the leather dye doesn't seem to permeate the leather very well. The toes and shifter pad got scuffed too easily, in the first few weeks I owned them, and the underlying leather is light in color, really shows the wear. On the plus side, I've never had any problems with waterproofedness (?) which was one of the main reasons I bought them, so they still have given me great value for the dollar. Robert -----Original Message----- From: Han Park [mailto:hpark@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 1:34 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: [Maybe Spam] Re: Reflections on boots (long-winded) Ever thought about going to a shoe maker to get the boots resoled? Or send them back to Sidi to get them resoled? han From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 15 13:59:19 2004 From: Han Park To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: [Maybe Spam] RE: [Maybe Spam] Re: Reflections on boots (long- winded) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 13:59:29 -0500 I've got a pair of Vertebra II's which I've had for about a year. The only wear is in the heel area from me walking around and that's what I'm worried about wearing out with the rest of the boots still serviceable. Has anyone resoled their riding boots? When the time comes I'll probably go with this route. Since I'm happy with my boots. The Vertebra II's have some hard plastic over the shifter area so I haven't seen an wear there except for some scuff marks on the plastic which I don't really care about. The boots are surprisingly waterproof. I have ridden for 45-60 minutes in a heavy rain and had no significant leakage in the boots. han -----Original Message----- From: Verde, Robert [mailto:Robert.Verde@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 1:42 PM To: Han Park; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [Maybe Spam] RE: [Maybe Spam] Re: Reflections on boots (long-winded) I've thought about it, but there are a host of wear-related reasons I'm considering new boots; lining is wearing around the inside top, leather outers are scuffed and stained (especially the toes) and some of the Velcro tabs and loops are starting to separate. Add to that the lack of real armor, and I'd feel better upgrading the foot armor. By the way, not sure if it is common to all Sidi boots, or just this run, but the leather dye doesn't seem to permeate the leather very well. The toes and shifter pad got scuffed too easily, in the first few weeks I owned them, and the underlying leather is light in color, really shows the wear. On the plus side, I've never had any problems with waterproofedness (?) which was one of the main reasons I bought them, so they still have given me great value for the dollar. Robert -----Original Message----- From: Han Park [mailto:hpark@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 1:34 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: [Maybe Spam] Re: Reflections on boots (long-winded) Ever thought about going to a shoe maker to get the boots resoled? Or send them back to Sidi to get them resoled? han From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 15 14:40:29 2004 From: "stephen" To: "Verde, Robert" , Subject: Boot recommendations Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 14:39:34 -0500 After about twenty years of riding and buying gear, I can't say enough good things about my Oxtar Gore-tex Matrix boots. For me, my 17" calves make picking out boots that run above the ankle super challenging. These accommodate my need for extra girth, and are perfectly sized. They have shin and ankle (both sides of each boot) armor and are WATERPROOF. I've ridden in a ridiculous deluge in them and my toesies all stayed nice and dry. Oxtar's site http://www.oxtar-usa.com/products/matrix_gore.htm Motorcycle Consumer News RAVED about them. "I think these may be the best touring boots I've ever owned" said Fred Rau. http://www.oxtar-usa.com/articles/gore-matrix-article1.htm I think I paid about $190 for them from Battley's in Rockville about two years ago. While I'm on the soap box, I bought some Hein Gericke boots about four years ago that were the WORST investment I ever made in a boot. They were supposed to be waterproof and weren't. The advertising on the boot talked about how the soles were sewn on so they'd NEVER come off. Well, you guessed it, the soles came off less than four months after I bought them. I've glued them back on with barge cement a couple of times, but this sort of thing is really tiresome when you're paying real money for gear. I wouldn't mind if they were $20 boots, but they were about $100. They SUCK! Stephen From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 15 15:01:40 2004 Subject: RE: Boot recommendations Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 15:01:25 -0500 From: "Verde, Robert" To: "stephen" , I note that the only dealer listed in my area is Coleman; any other places carry a selection of these in the NoVA region? Robert -----Original Message----- From: stephen [mailto:frosty@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 2:40 PM To: Verde, Robert; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Boot recommendations After about twenty years of riding and buying gear, I can't say enough good things about my Oxtar Gore-tex Matrix boots. For me, my 17" calves make picking out boots that run above the ankle super challenging. These accommodate my need for extra girth, and are perfectly sized. They have shin and ankle (both sides of each boot) armor and are WATERPROOF. I've ridden in a ridiculous deluge in them and my toesies all stayed nice and dry. Oxtar's site http://www.oxtar-usa.com/products/matrix_gore.htm Motorcycle Consumer News RAVED about them. "I think these may be the best touring boots I've ever owned" said Fred Rau. http://www.oxtar-usa.com/articles/gore-matrix-article1.htm I think I paid about $190 for them from Battley's in Rockville about two years ago. Stephen From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 15 15:16:35 2004 Subject: RE: Boot recommendations From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 15 Jan 2004 15:12:55 -0500 I stopped in at Coleman's in Woodbridge and they only have a couple of boots. Go with mail-order or one of the list recommended guys (I can never remember the group; search the archives :-) Carl On Thu, 2004-01-15 at 15:01, Verde, Robert wrote: > I note that the only dealer listed in my area is Coleman; any other places carry a selection of these in the NoVA region? > > Robert > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 15 15:44:04 2004 Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 12:44:00 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: RE: Boot recommendations To: "Verde, Robert" , stephen , dc-cycles@XXXXXX I don't know if they have them now or not, but I have seen Oxtar boots at MFI. Leon Ninja 250 --- "Verde, Robert" wrote: > I note that the only dealer listed in my area is > Coleman; any other places carry a selection of these > in the NoVA region? > > Robert > > -----Original Message----- > From: stephen [mailto:frosty@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 2:40 PM > To: Verde, Robert; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Boot recommendations > > > After about twenty years of riding and buying gear, > I can't say enough good > things about my Oxtar Gore-tex Matrix boots. For me, > my 17" calves make > picking out boots that run above the ankle super > challenging. These > accommodate my need for extra girth, and are > perfectly sized. They have > shin and ankle (both sides of each boot) armor and > are WATERPROOF. I've > ridden in a ridiculous deluge in them and my toesies > all stayed nice and > dry. > > Oxtar's site > http://www.oxtar-usa.com/products/matrix_gore.htm > > Motorcycle Consumer News RAVED about them. "I think > these may be the best > touring boots I've ever owned" said Fred Rau. > http://www.oxtar-usa.com/articles/gore-matrix-article1.htm > > I think I paid about $190 for them from Battley's in > Rockville about two > years ago. > > > > Stephen > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 15 18:29:53 2004 From: "stephen" To: "Verde, Robert" Cc: Subject: RE: Boot recommendations Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 18:28:48 -0500 I wasn't able to find the Oxtars at any area shops either. I considered mail-order but was worried about the sizing and issues with returns. Battley's doesn't carry the boots, but they were able to order them for me from a distributor of theirs (not sure who). You may find that your local shop doesn't carry them, but that they can get them for you as a special order item. As I mentioned, Oxtar's sizing was bang-on for me (11-1/2 - EEE). This was a welcome change from Italian sizing. I should be a 45, but every Italian shoe/boot I've ever tried on has me in larger up to 48! Does that say something about how big Italians want to say their shoe size is larger than it is? Ever notice how a lot of motorcycles' displacements aren't all that close to their "number designations?" My XL600R was originally a 587cc. Given my experience, were I to need another pair, I'd order mail-order or buy on the 'net (no experience doing this with m/c gear, so I'm not going to recommend anyone) in my correct shoe size. My Oxtars were a tad narrow for my width when I first got them, but the leather eased into my foot shape after several wearings and never caused me a blister. To my recollection, they do not come in different widths. Stephen From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 15 19:55:24 2004 Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 19:55:18 -0500 Subject: Re: boots From: Bob McKeithen To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Last Summer before my trip to Costa Rica I purchased a pair of the Combat Touring boots from Riderwarehouse. I have been very pleased with them. Because of a peculiar foot problem, I can not wear the "pointy toed" Italian style boot. Although they are not advertised as waterproof my feet stayed dry during the rainy season in Central America. I did treat the seams with seam sealer and the rest of the boot with Mink Oil. Since space was limited, other than the boots I took only a pair of moccasins. So, when I when out two long hikes in the rain forest I wore the boots. Surprisingly comfortable, if somewhat traction limited in the mud. They are, however, heavy and very stiff, therefore very supportive. And for office wear they are ugly. I love 'em. Bob From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 15 20:20:28 2004 From: "Michael Jordan" To: Subject: RE: Boot recommendations Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 20:20:06 -0500 > For me, my 17" calves... Must be nice to have skinny legs... How much "extra" room do they have in the calf? I've got you by an inch or two. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 15 20:26:47 2004 From: "Michael Jordan" To: Subject: Flatheads Forever!! Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 20:26:36 -0500 http://www.popularmechanics.com/automotive/motor_cycles/2003/7/honest_charle y_flathead_V8/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 15 20:34:20 2004 From: "David Thompson" To: Subject: Re: Reflections on boots- repair/renew Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 20:33:55 -0500 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine "Verde, Robert" wrote: I was looking over my boots this morning, and noticing that it's about time I think about replacing them. They are the Sidi On-Road Sympatex boot from a few years ago, still nice and toasty, waterproof and so on, but showing severe wear. The soles are getting pretty smooth, and the Velcro tabs are starting to separate in a few places. ------------------------------------- A competent shoe repair shop can grind down the remaining tread and heel, then glue on a new sole. They can probably re-stitch the velcro as well. They won't be new, but with a coat of polish you'll have "good as new" commuter boots. Someone commented that the dye doesn't go very deep, but I have good success with daubing liquid shoe polish on the whole boot and buffing to hide the scuff marks. Regards David "Routemeister" Thompson Deep frozen in Rochester NY From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 15 22:10:37 2004 Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 19:10:33 -0800 (PST) From: Carl Schelin Subject: RE: Boot recommendations To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Michael Jordan wrote: > > For me, my 17" calves... > > Must be nice to have skinny legs... > I just had to check. 19" on mine. Must be the gym. Along with the 28" thighs. > How much "extra" room do they have in the calf? I've got you by an inch > or > two. > > Michael J. > Must be late, comparing leg sizes. Makes it hard to ride the suzuki comfortably with the winter gear. Carl > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 15 22:32:12 2004 From: "stephen" To: "Michael Jordan" , Subject: RE: Boot recommendations Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 22:31:15 -0500 They zip to about 7" off the ground, and the 5" above that are velcro. You could have 5" more and still fit 'em. Stephen > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Jordan [mailto:mjordan812@XXXXXX] > > How much "extra" room do they have in the calf? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 15 22:40:04 2004 From: Michael Lynch To: "'David Thompson '" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX '" Subject: RE: Reflections on boots- repair/renew Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 22:45:52 -0500 DOOD! How many lists are you on? Yer just tryin' to pad our VFR numbers on this list, aren't ya? :-) Let us know when you're back in the area again and we'll go on another famous "routemeister" ride. Dirt roads and all! :-) Mike 98 XR400 96 VFR 76 CB400F -----Original Message----- From: David Thompson To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Sent: 1/15/04 8:33 PM Subject: Re: Reflections on boots- repair/renew A competent shoe repair shop can grind down the remaining tread and heel, then glue on a new sole. They can probably re-stitch the velcro as well. Regards David "Routemeister" Thompson Deep frozen in Rochester NY From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 15 22:43:13 2004 From: "stephen" To: Subject: RE: Boot recommendations Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 22:42:16 -0500 They zip to about 7" off the ground, and the 5" above that are velcro. You could probably have 10" more and still fit 'em. If you did, well, I hope you're riding a Hayabusa ... At the point where the zipper stops, with winter wool socks on, I can get 4 fingers up to the knuckle. Umm .. That's a highly scientific measurement .. I know .. I think SI is voting on it next week. For all you English lovers, my skinny leg measures 10" at the top of the ankle (over top of the sock) and there's about 12" with me knuckles in for all you 'normal' sized lads. I think that's about the smallest spot. Peculiar .. there's a good 2" of spare circumference in there on me, but I never notice it. I guess with the foot fitting nicely and the upper snug with Velcro, it just doesn't matter. Stephen From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 16 09:26:37 2004 Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 09:26:06 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Don't get hit by sleepy drivers in Iowa http://www.theiowachannel.com/news/2769005/detail.html Driver 'Not Guilty' In Triple-Fatal Motorcycle Crash Tama County Jury Took 4 Hours To Reach Verdict TOLEDO, Iowa -- A Tama County jury found a Des Moines man not guilty in the death of three motorcycle riders. Prosecutors charged Gary Lee Butler, 49, with three counts of vehicular homicide. Investigators said Butler fell asleep at the wheel of his van in June 2002 and hit the motorcycles near Chelsea on Highway 30. It took the jury about four hours to reach its verdict. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org Support Legislation requiring Voter-Verified Paper Trail for 2004 Elections http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/348035553 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 16 10:14:45 2004 Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 07:14:41 -0800 (PST) From: superbeard69 Subject: Re: Don't get hit by sleepy drivers in Iowa To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX sure glad i dont live/ride in Iowa. and if i was realted to one of our dear departed bretheren....my life's mission wud be vengeance on somebody..... Paul Pasadena MD 80CB750K --- Troutman wrote: > > > http://www.theiowachannel.com/news/2769005/detail.html > Driver 'Not Guilty' In Triple-Fatal Motorcycle Crash > > > > > Tama County Jury Took 4 Hours To Reach Verdict > > TOLEDO, Iowa -- A Tama County jury found a Des > Moines man not guilty in the > death of three motorcycle riders. > > Prosecutors charged Gary Lee Butler, 49, with three > counts of vehicular > homicide. > > Investigators said Butler fell asleep at the wheel > of his van in June 2002 > and hit the motorcycles near Chelsea on Highway 30. > > It took the jury about four hours to reach its > verdict. > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org > > Support Legislation requiring Voter-Verified > Paper Trail for 2004 > Elections > > http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/348035553 > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 16 10:48:41 2004 Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 10:48:22 -0500 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: mike@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Don't get hit by sleepy drivers in Iowa X-AOL-IP: 12.36.128.140 Someone should track down those jurors and hold a protest rally in front of their houses. Shit like that pisses me off. Scooter In a message dated 1/16/2004 9:26:06 AM Eastern Standard Time, mike@XXXXXX writes: > > > > > http://www.theiowachannel.com/news/2769005/detail.html > Driver 'Not Guilty' In Triple-Fatal Motorcycle Crash > > > > > Tama County Jury Took 4 Hours To Reach Verdict > > TOLEDO, Iowa -- A Tama County jury found a Des Moines man not guilty in the > death of three motorcycle riders. > > Prosecutors charged Gary Lee Butler, 49, with three counts of vehicular > homicide. > > Investigators said Butler fell asleep at the wheel of his van in June 2002 > and hit the motorcycles near Chelsea on Highway 30. > > It took the jury about four hours to reach its verdict. > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 16 10:53:26 2004 Subject: Re: Don't get hit by sleepy drivers in Iowa From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 16 Jan 2004 10:49:52 -0500 While I'm just as upset with the verdict, I think the problem is more with the prosecutor. Apparently they couldn't make Vehicular Homicide stick where maybe Vehicular Manslaughter would be a better charge. Part of the prosecutor's job is to evaluate the evidence and decide which charge to use. I have a hard time believing homicide (intentional killing) vs manslaughter (killing without intent) is the more appropriate charge. (Reading the article shows that the last two lines were omitted regarding the charges of "Serious Injury by a Vehicle" and "manslaughter" being dismissed during trial.) Of course, IANAL. Carl On Fri, 2004-01-16 at 10:14, superbeard69 wrote: > sure glad i dont live/ride in Iowa. and if i was > realted to one of our dear departed bretheren....my > life's mission wud be vengeance on somebody..... > > Paul > Pasadena MD > 80CB750K > > --- Troutman wrote: > > > > > > > http://www.theiowachannel.com/news/2769005/detail.html > > Driver 'Not Guilty' In Triple-Fatal Motorcycle Crash > > > > > > > > > > Tama County Jury Took 4 Hours To Reach Verdict > > > > TOLEDO, Iowa -- A Tama County jury found a Des > > Moines man not guilty in the > > death of three motorcycle riders. > > > > Prosecutors charged Gary Lee Butler, 49, with three > > counts of vehicular > > homicide. > > > > Investigators said Butler fell asleep at the wheel > > of his van in June 2002 > > and hit the motorcycles near Chelsea on Highway 30. > > > > It took the jury about four hours to reach its > > verdict. > > > > ___________________________________________ > > Mike Troutman > > http://www.troutman.org > > > > Support Legislation requiring Voter-Verified > > Paper Trail for 2004 > > Elections > > > > http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/348035553 > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes > http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 16 11:00:24 2004 Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 10:59:36 -0500 To: "Michael Jordan" , From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Flatheads Forever!! At 08:26 PM 1/15/04 -0500, Michael Jordan wrote: >http://www.popularmechanics.com/automotive/motor_cycles/2003/7/honest_charle >y_flathead_V8/ Sounds like it could use a hydraulic clutch, more gears, and some hot rod mods on the engine to get the HP up some. I'm guessing that some owners will do some of that... ;^) -- Mike B. **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 16 11:00:26 2004 Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 11:02:32 -0500 To: "David Thompson" , From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Reflections on boots- repair/renew At 08:33 PM 1/15/04 -0500, David Thompson wrote: >Someone commented that the dye doesn't go very deep, but I >have good success with daubing liquid shoe polish on the whole boot and >buffing to hide the scuff marks. You can also get leather dye and fix the scratches that way. Daub it on, wait a bit, then buff off anything that didn't sink in. Let it dry overnight, and polish. Tandy Leather sells it, if you can find one (I think they still have a store in Springfield somewhere, but all the ones in Maryland closed a few years ago). Mailorder will have it too. I think I've still got some black dye around here if you want a little. Old, but it should still work ok. -- Mike B. **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 16 11:06:53 2004 From: "Rob Sharp" To: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX, mike@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Don't get hit by sleepy drivers in Iowa Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 11:07:50 -0500 HAHA yeah we should intimidate jurors . Seems to work for the Mafia..... Rob On Fri, 16 Jan 2004 10:48:22 -0500, ScooterFZR wrote > Someone should track down those jurors and hold a protest rally in > front of their houses. Shit like that pisses me off. > > Scooter > > In a message dated 1/16/2004 9:26:06 AM Eastern Standard Time, > mike@XXXXXX writes: > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.theiowachannel.com/news/2769005/detail.html > > Driver 'Not Guilty' In Triple-Fatal Motorcycle Crash > > > > > > > > > > Tama County Jury Took 4 Hours To Reach Verdict > > > > TOLEDO, Iowa -- A Tama County jury found a Des Moines man not guilty in the > > death of three motorcycle riders. > > > > Prosecutors charged Gary Lee Butler, 49, with three counts of vehicular > > homicide. > > > > Investigators said Butler fell asleep at the wheel of his van in June 2002 > > and hit the motorcycles near Chelsea on Highway 30. > > > > It took the jury about four hours to reach its verdict. > > > > ___________________________________________ > > Mike Troutman -- Rob Sharp 1996 Honda VFR 750 2003 Chevy S10 Xtreme SSCP/CCSP/CCNA 2.0/CCSA Network Security Engineer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 16 11:08:23 2004 Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 11:07:33 -0500 To: Carl Schelin , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: RE: Boot recommendations At 07:10 PM 1/15/04 -0800, Carl Schelin wrote: > >--- Michael Jordan wrote: >> > For me, my 17" calves... >> >> Must be nice to have skinny legs... > >I just had to check. 19" on mine. Must be the gym. Along with the 28" >thighs. 18" here. Must be the sitting at the computer... :^) >Must be late, comparing leg sizes. Makes it hard to ride the suzuki >comfortably with the winter gear. Well, if we find that this semi-random assortment of bikers are all north of 17". and the manufacturers aren't making boots for us, perhaps the figures will convince them to make bigger gear? Ok, probably not, but at least we'll be able to grouse together. :^) The H-D boots I got fit very well. Combat boot style, with zippers for fast on/off, and laces for easy adjustment to fit. Plenty of room to wiggle your toes on a ride too. No idea how they work in the rain though...haven't gotten caught in more than a few drips since I got them in September. That will probably change next summer though. -- Mike B. **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 16 11:22:15 2004 From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Cc: "'soldier@XXXXXX'" Subject: GPZ needs a home Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 11:27:17 -0500 Seen on SabMag. Contact him, not me. (He's in Buckhannon, W(BG)V.) A reliable guy. FWIW, on Cycle Trader, there are only two GPZ under $4200 ($4000 & $3700) so, it's a Bah-Gan. Carl in Brr-thesda. Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 21:40:39 -0500 From: Chris Long Subject: My GPZ needs a home Hi folks! I really hate to sell any bike but this one has to find a home to help build a garage for the others. The specs: 1995 Kawasaki GPZ1100 Factory painted Candy Persimmon Red. Just shy of 23000 miles. For an idea go to www.gpzlist.com Cosmetically, it's a 8.5-9 out of 10. No dents in tank. The paint is worn on the gas cap and could be fixed with a spray can. the right fairing lower has some scratches from a parking lot tipover and there is a small hairline crack behind the right front turn signal. There is a little paint wear on the rear of the sidecovers where the previous owner put soft saddlebags. >From 10 feet you don't notice any of this. Extras include a Vance & Hines SS2R (quiet) exhaust that I installed, a Corbin seat, 1 1/2" handlebar risers, Kawasaki factory hard saddlebags and mounts, and a Factory (brand name) jet kit. Maintenance issues = none. 8 month old sealed Yuasa battery new oil bled hydraulics new fork seals/fluid Price is $3300 FIRM. Dirt cheap, a decade newer than most of our rides and a $1200 loss for me but I don't like to haggle. I can send a pic...matter of fact, thanks to the SO's X-mas present I can send many. Thanks for the plug. I'm still around and planning to attend the spring SME. See you all soon! V-Fourtified, Chris Long 99 ZX9R 95 GPZ1100 84 V65 Magna From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 16 11:27:48 2004 Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 11:26:27 -0500 To: Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Don't get hit by sleepy drivers in Iowa At 09:26 AM 1/16/04 -0500, Troutman wrote: > >http://www.theiowachannel.com/news/2769005/detail.html >Driver 'Not Guilty' In Triple-Fatal Motorcycle Crash That's just nuts. Particularly throwing out the manslaughter charges...that seems pretty clearly what happened, from the little they say in that article. There has to be more to this... -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 16 11:39:15 2004 Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 08:39:07 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: Don't get hit by sleepy drivers in Iowa To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > > Prosecutors charged Gary Lee Butler, 49, with three counts of > vehicular homicide. this is where the prosecution screwed up IMO and IANAL. Homicide to me at least implies deliberate or willful intent. If it had been a car he hit it might still have resulted in deaths, or it might not. These bikers were sadly in the wrong place at the wrong time. Now had the prosecution moved for a manslaughter charge THAT would probably have stuck. I agree that we allow WAY too much latitude in permissible behavior while operating a motor vehicle but this is a social problem with it's origins in handing out licenses if you can but fog a mirror. And for those who want to throw stones, can you swear on your honor that you have NEVER operated a vehicle when you were dangerously sleepy? Or if you're on medication or on a waiver of some sort have you strictly complied with the preconditions of your license? I will gladly submit that this was a tragic accident. But it's not like the guy was drunk which sadly we DON'T prosecute with a heavy-handed fist to stamp it out. Certain other countries have draconian laws on this matter. Frankly we could stand to implement them. But until we do, life is cheap on US highways. --- "I want to go out like grandpa, quietly slipping off to peaceful sleep. Not screaming my head off like his 3 passengers." (a .sig I saw somewhere long ago) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 16 12:11:30 2004 From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Cc: "'Robert.Verde@XXXXXX'" Subject: Shifting woes - Update 2 Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 12:16:32 -0500 Robert Volunteered, "Still, it's a labor of love to keep a 1983 bike in shape for a daily commuter." & this year it'll be able to buy likker. Last year my newer bike was old enough to vote. You should mosey over to SabMag.org and take a peek. Lotsa 80's V-4 expertise there. Verde Reminisced, "I noticed on the way in this morning (a bracing eighteen degrees...) that there is some odd noise coming from my instrument cluster, a kind of shrill screaming sound." My '85 Sabre does that on cold days. Spritzing WD-40 into it's innards helps. Unlike the Sabre, the '83 'Ceptor's speedo unit is accessible so you could gently apply some thin lube directly onto the nylon and brass gears. Carl in Brr-thesda From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 16 12:34:59 2004 Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 12:33:43 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" To: matthew patton CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Don't get hit by sleepy drivers in Iowa matthew patton wrote: > And for those who want to throw stones, can you swear on your honor > that you have NEVER operated a vehicle when you were dangerously > sleepy? Not me. A party night which involved vorocious bed-wrecking fornication until the wee hours of the morning had me so whipped when I left for the beach at dark-thirty, on less than 3 hours sleep, that I nodded off on Rt 17 and damn near crashed the scoot! Yipes! Me'n my Suzuki took a much needed nap under the pines before continuing the journey. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 16 12:50:53 2004 Subject: Dropped bike syndrome... Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 12:50:45 -0500 From: "Verde, Robert" To: "Custer, Carl" , "DCCycles" Of course, the Interceptor chose the coldest morning this week to signal the battery is failing... After the battery gave up trying to turn over the engine, I tried for thirty minutes to bump-start it, finally getting it going on the fourth time down a long incline. (Ever try pushing a 500+ pound bike uphill while wearing full cold-weather gear? It righteously sucks.) Got off the bike to put my helmet back on, and while I was mid-struggle donning the helmet, the bike rolled forward off the kickstand and fell on the left side. Damn. The engine stalled immediately, and the tank was low, so I missed the chance to warm my fingers on a toasty engine blaze. Broke the clutch lever end off, but just the tip, so it still works. The left front turn signal smacked down pretty hard, and will need replacing, but it's still in one piece. Bent the left clip-on tube slightly, and the shift lever, but the worst damage was to my pride. The bike has an aftermarket full lower fairing, which is showing battle scars now, but didn't crack (it's fiberglass). The left foot pegs seem to have done their job well, as most of the impact was taken right on the ends of the pegs, and the end of the clip-on.. Amazing how an adrenaline surge eases bike righting, the bike felt super light lifting it back to upright. Almost dropped it again, apparently the spot I had stopped was more inclined than I thought... Couldn't get it started again, tried the old "push up hill, coast down" routine a couple more times; finally gave up and hailed a passing tow-truck, who gave me a jumpstart and didn't charge me a cent, thought I was crazy to be riding. Big commercial plug to Abe's Towing! To add insult to injury, the inside of my helmet was coated with frozen condensation, as I had pushed the bike a couple of times while still wearing it, and took it off when I got too hot. My hair was also nicely "frosted," which sure made for a chilly ride in to work. The bank sign near Tyson's read a whopping eleven degrees when I passed. All in all, I count myself lucky, it could have been a lot worse. Anyone know if clip-on handle-bar tubes are universal fit? They aren't that expensive from the source, Pro-Flo, but they seem to be simple 5/8" aluminum tubes, and I'd rather pick one (or a pair) up locally than wait for an order. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 16 13:09:09 2004 From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'Verde, Robert'" , DCCycles Subject: Reflections on boots (long-winded) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 13:14:11 -0500 Verde is vexed, "The soles are getting pretty smooth, " [Carl]: Goop or Shoe-Goo does a pretty good job of building up non-replaceable worn soles. I have a pair of Alpinestar boots that have gone through a couple of tubes - each (yeah, yeah ride more walk less). " . . . and the Velcro tabs are starting to separate in a few places." [Carl]: Nevermind. Robert ruminated, "Now, the other thing I noticed about the Sidi boots I own is that they don't actually have any armor. I didn't notice this before, having my "moto" blinders on, but outside of a little shin padding and possibly a heel cup, they are bereft of the ankle/shin/toe/instep guards I thought should be in a moto boot. " [Carl]: Holy barefoot Batman, you could be more stylish in Justin Ropers. Green Baited: "Other brands?" [Carl]: Spotted the WP539 boots at the DC Moto show (& the 10% coupon). They have the internal lace up for the calf-endowed . A LDR on SabMag , who has had his for 2 years, offered positive (well, gushing) feed back on the Prexport WP539 boots. Local Prexport dealers are Battley (womens only) and Velocity. Low internet price is CaSportTouring. But so far, I've bought all of my gear locally -- except for the 'Stich -- & I've been looking for an excuse to visit Velocity. Carl in B-Brr-thesda From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 16 13:18:28 2004 Subject: Re: Dropped bike syndrome... From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 16 Jan 2004 13:14:55 -0500 On Fri, 2004-01-16 at 12:50, Verde, Robert wrote: > Of course, the Interceptor chose the coldest morning this week to signal the battery > is failing... After the battery gave up trying to turn over the engine, I tried for > thirty minutes to bump-start it, finally getting it going on the fourth time down a > long incline. (Ever try pushing a 500+ pound bike uphill while wearing full cold- > weather gear? It righteously sucks.) Got off the bike to put my helmet back on, > and while I was mid-struggle donning the helmet, the bike rolled forward off the > kickstand and fell on the left side. Damn. Man that all sucks. I dropped my old FLSTC in my driveway. I agree about the adrenaline though. I picked it up with one hand on the seat area and one on the right hand-grip holding the front brake since it was facing downhill. One nice thing I noted about the Harley was the kickstand. It has an opening for the top of the kickstand to slide into keeping it from rolling forward. > To add insult to injury, the inside of my helmet was coated with frozen condensation, > as I had pushed the bike a couple of times while still wearing it, and took it off > when I got too hot. My hair was also nicely "frosted," which sure made for a chilly > ride in to work. The bank sign near Tyson's read a whopping eleven degrees when I > passed. > With the fog-city shield, the view ahead was reasonably clear (a little sheen by the right eye at slower non-highway speeds) but the left and right edges outside the fc-shield were frosted. For the gloves I found I had to drive with my thumbs extended (spread your hand out wide then curl your fingers leaving the thumb extended). That kept them warm. Time for a new battery though, and maybe a trickle charger. Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 16 13:48:03 2004 Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 14:02:45 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: Dropped bike syndrome... On Fri, 16 Jan 2004, Verde, Robert wrote: > All in all, I count myself lucky, it could have been a lot worse. Anyone know if clip-on handle-bar tubes are universal fit? They aren't that expensive from the source, Pro-Flo, but they seem to be simple 5/8" aluminum tubes, and I'd rather pick one (or a pair) up locally than wait for an order. > > Sorry to hear about the dropped bike. Damage doesn't sound too bad, but a big PITA :-\ Have you thought about a car or public transportation, Robert? :-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 16 14:03:09 2004 From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Cc: "'Verde, Robert'" Subject: Dropped bike syndrome... Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 14:08:11 -0500 Robert, Violated, Virtuously Reported" "Of course, the Interceptor chose the coldest morning this week to signal the battery is failing... " [Carl]: Weak point on those 80's Hondas is the connector twixt the stator and the regulator/rectifier. If it's not spotless, it heats up, melts, and . . . well, the battery doesn't charge. Honda has a better connector but it's easier to just solder the wires. After all, the only time you need to separate that connector is when you remove the engine or the rectifier-regulator. Other wise you should check and clean it in the Fall and again in the Spring. RV: "After the battery gave up trying to turn over the engine," [Carl]: A Good Thing is to hook up a Battery Tender overnight. Thus, the battery is optimized for those cold sluggish mornings. RV: "(Ever try pushing a 500+ pound bike uphill while wearing full cold-weather gear? It righteously sucks.) [Carl]: BTDT, two snaps and a triple "pant-pant" but that was pre Battery-Tender (already soldered those yaller wyres). RV: "Got off the bike to put my helmet back on, and while I was mid-struggle donning the helmet, the bike rolled forward off the kickstand and fell on the left side. Damn." [Carl]: Damn, is right. You hard up for entertainment? =8^O RV: "Broke the clutch lever end off, but just the tip, so it still works. The left front turn signal smacked down pretty hard, and will need replacing, but it's still in one piece." [Carl]: Click on Honda, then "V45-Magna/Sabre/Interceptor. Levers, lights, stalks at bah-gan prices. $30 minimum, so pick up a spare or two. RV: "All in all, I count myself lucky, it could have been a lot worse. Anyone know if clip-on handle-bar tubes are universal fit? They aren't that expensive from the source, Pro-Flo, but they seem to be simple 5/8" aluminum tubes, and I'd rather pick one (or a pair) up locally than wait for an order." [Carl]: Dunno, but you could check with Dodge Racing Products. Dave is a good source for V-4 partz and expertise. Curtis Hintze is local but doesn't have any spare clip-ons. Carl In Buh Buh Burr-Thesda From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 16 14:16:32 2004 Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 11:16:29 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Dropped bike syndrome... To: Wayne Edelen , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Wayne Edelen wrote: > Have you thought about a car or public > transportation, Robert? :-) Eeeww! Although having a car around wouldn't be a bad idea, that way Robert wouldn't have to wait for a tow truck to jump start his bike. I thought it was a bit chilly this morning, but I think it's just a problem with getting the Gerbing's gloves working. I'll have to check the circuit if I need to go for a long ride or if it get's cold out. Leon. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 16 14:40:48 2004 Subject: RE: Dropped bike syndrome... Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 14:40:38 -0500 From: "Verde, Robert" To: "Leon Begeman" , "Wayne Edelen" , I'm picturing having a small econo-car with no real innards, just a functioning charging system and a bank of batteries... Park it near the bike, run it a few times a week to keep the battery charged up. Heck, I could even run an inverter in the car, create a way to keep the bike on a Battery Tender after all! That reminds me, I've got to follow up on my determination to wire the bike for gloves, at the very least. Maybe a vest, socks (do they make electric socks?), then the pant liners... More time to spend in the garage! Robert -----Original Message----- From: Leon Begeman [mailto:mriderleon@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 2:16 PM To: Wayne Edelen; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Dropped bike syndrome... --- Wayne Edelen wrote: > Have you thought about a car or public > transportation, Robert? :-) Eeeww! Although having a car around wouldn't be a bad idea, that way Robert wouldn't have to wait for a tow truck to jump start his bike. I thought it was a bit chilly this morning, but I think it's just a problem with getting the Gerbing's gloves working. I'll have to check the circuit if I need to go for a long ride or if it get's cold out. Leon. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 16 15:00:13 2004 Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 14:58:44 -0500 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: Robert.Verde@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Dropped bike syndrome... X-AOL-IP: 12.36.128.140 Hell, if all you're wanting is something to use to jump start your bike, why don't you just buy one of those self-starter things that you plug in in the house to charge and then hook up to your vehicle to jump it? Wally-world sells them. My sister has one and they're not very expensive from what I've seen. At least a lot cheaper than buying an econo-car. :-) Scooter In a message dated 1/16/2004 2:40:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, Robert.Verde@XXXXXX writes: > > > I'm picturing having a small econo-car with no real innards, just a functioning charging system and a bank of batteries... Park it near the bike, run it a few times a week to keep the battery charged up. Heck, I could even run an inverter in the car, create a way to keep the bike on a Battery Tender after all! > > That reminds me, I've got to follow up on my determination to wire the bike for gloves, at the very least. Maybe a vest, socks (do they make electric socks?), then the pant > liners... More time to spend in the garage! > > Robert > > -----Original Message----- > From: Leon Begeman [mailto:mriderleon@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 2:16 PM > To: Wayne Edelen; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Dropped bike syndrome... > > > --- Wayne Edelen wrote: > > Have you thought about a car or public > > transportation, Robert? :-) > > Eeeww! Although having a car around wouldn't be a bad > idea, that way Robert wouldn't have to wait for a tow > truck to jump start his bike. > > I thought it was a bit chilly this morning, but I > think it's just a problem with getting the Gerbing's > gloves working. I'll have to check the circuit if I > need to go for a long ride or if it get's cold out. > > Leon. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 16 15:09:13 2004 Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 12:09:03 -0800 (PST) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: "Verde, Robert" , Leon Begeman , Wayne Edelen , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Dropped bike syndrome... -----Original Message----- From: "Verde, Robert" I'm picturing having a small econo-car with no real innards, just a functioning charging system and a bank of batteries... Park it near the bike, run it a few times a week to keep the battery charged up. Heck, I could even run an inverter in the car, create a way to keep the bike on a Battery Tender after all! That reminds me, I've got to follow up on my determination to wire the bike for gloves, at the very least. Maybe a vest, socks (do they make electric socks?), then the pant liners... More time to spend in the garage! Robert ----- That's about all our cage is good for, although, knock on wood, no dead bike batteries yet this season. Right now the cage has no heat. Heater core blew up just before Thanksgiving. Riding the bike is not much colder, frankly. And no windows to fog up on the bike. Yep, they (Gerbings) make electric socks. It hasn't been cold enough yet this year to require their use on the commute. :) Paul in DC 95 VFR - 86 VF500F (who filled its tires with concrete this morning?) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 16 15:13:25 2004 Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 15:12:13 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" To: Carl Schelin CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Dropped bike syndrome... Carl Schelin wrote: > One nice thing I noted about the Harley was the kickstand. It has an > opening for the top of the kickstand to slide into keeping it from > rolling forward. > True, but first day I had my harley I didn't know about that tricky little sidestand gate. Park the bike, flip sidestand down, or so I thought, and exit bike. Turn handlebars full left and *smush* bike falls and flattens my skinny butt. Mucho cussing ensues, and then I see the prob - the sidestand wasn't down far enough to engage the gate! Hence forward, I always check before bailing off the bike. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 16 15:16:10 2004 Subject: RE: Dropped bike syndrome... From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 16 Jan 2004 15:12:38 -0500 On Fri, 2004-01-16 at 14:40, Verde, Robert wrote: > I'm picturing having a small econo-car with no real innards, just a > functioning charging system and a bank of batteries... Park it near the > bike, run it a few times a week to keep the battery charged up. Heck, I > could even run an inverter in the car, create a way to keep the bike on a > Battery Tender after all! > Geeze, just build a garage. Even a little shack with a plug and a battery tender. Hell, just take the battery out and put it in the laundry room to keep it warm. You might also look for a mail client that wraps :-) > That reminds me, I've got to follow up on my determination to wire the > bike for gloves, at the very least. Maybe a vest, socks (do they make > electric socks?), then the pant liners... More time to spend in the > garage! > http://www.gerbing.com > Robert > Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 16 15:22:52 2004 Subject: Re: Dropped bike syndrome... From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 16 Jan 2004 15:19:19 -0500 On Fri, 2004-01-16 at 15:12, William J. Huson wrote: > Carl Schelin wrote: > > > One nice thing I noted about the Harley was the kickstand. It has an > > opening for the top of the kickstand to slide into keeping it from > > rolling forward. > > > > True, but first day I had my harley I didn't know about that tricky little sidestand gate. > Park the bike, flip sidestand down, or so I thought, and exit bike. Turn handlebars full > left and *smush* bike falls and flattens my skinny butt. Mucho cussing ensues, and then I > see the prob - the sidestand wasn't down far enough to engage the gate! Hence forward, I > always check before bailing off the bike. > I was at Fuddruckers and parked in a downhill spot. I put the stand down, let the bike down holding on to the front brake just in case, and then watched as it held. I was pleased. I wasn't so pleased when I had to muscle it back out of the spot though :-) > Bill Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 16 15:26:32 2004 From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: Dropped bike syndrome... Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 15:26:23 -0500 Argh! Blasphemy! It's not a "kickstand" or a "sidestand", Harleys "oh-fish-el" term is "Jiffy stand". You newbie Harley riders make me queasy. ;-) -aki > > From: "William J. Huson" > Date: 2004/01/16 Fri PM 03:12:13 EST > To: Carl Schelin > CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Dropped bike syndrome... > > Carl Schelin wrote: > > > One nice thing I noted about the Harley was the kickstand. It has an > > opening for the top of the kickstand to slide into keeping it from > > rolling forward. > > > > True, but first day I had my harley I didn't know about that tricky little sidestand gate. > Park the bike, flip sidestand down, or so I thought, and exit bike. Turn handlebars full > left and *smush* bike falls and flattens my skinny butt. Mucho cussing ensues, and then I > see the prob - the sidestand wasn't down far enough to engage the gate! Hence forward, I > always check before bailing off the bike. > > Bill > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 16 16:01:38 2004 Subject: Re: Re: Dropped bike syndrome... From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 16 Jan 2004 15:58:05 -0500 On Fri, 2004-01-16 at 15:26, adamme1@XXXXXX wrote: > Argh! Blasphemy! It's not a "kickstand" or a "sidestand", > Harleys "oh-fish-el" term is "Jiffy stand". > > You newbie Harley riders make me queasy. ;-) > Blame my poor memory. Not my newbie status on harleys :-) > -aki > Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 16 16:08:22 2004 From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: Dropped bike syndrome... Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 16:08:13 -0500 Ah...memory. Thank Ged I'm not burdened with THAT! 8-P -aki > > From: Carl Schelin > Date: 2004/01/16 Fri PM 03:58:05 EST > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Re: Dropped bike syndrome... > > On Fri, 2004-01-16 at 15:26, adamme1@XXXXXX wrote: > > Argh! Blasphemy! It's not a "kickstand" or a "sidestand", > > Harleys "oh-fish-el" term is "Jiffy stand". > > > > You newbie Harley riders make me queasy. ;-) > > > > Blame my poor memory. Not my newbie status on harleys :-) > > > -aki > > > > Carl > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 16 16:08:52 2004 Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 16:11:01 -0500 To: "Custer, Carl" , "'DCCycles'" From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Shifting woes - Update 2 At 12:16 PM 1/16/04 -0500, Custer, Carl wrote: >Verde Reminisced, "I noticed on the way in this morning (a bracing eighteen >degrees...) that there is some odd noise coming from my instrument cluster, >a kind of shrill screaming sound." > >My '85 Sabre does that on cold days. My old '92 Pathfinder used to do that too. Never did figure out if it was the cable or the instrument itself. Never seemed to hurt anything either, and it would stop after a few miles of screaming. Only happened when it was below freezing. >Unlike the Sabre, the '83 'Ceptor's speedo unit is accessible so you >could gently apply some thin lube directly onto the nylon and brass gears. What sort is good for that? White Lithium Grease maybe? Just wondering, as there are a lot of different "lubes" around, and folks here and other places often say something like what you did, but seldom specify a type. Leaves those of us who aren't long time wrench holders wondering what to use, and fearing using the wrong stuff. There are big differences between wheel bearing grease, white lithium grease, Moly Blue chain lube, graphite, silicon spray, WD-40, Vaseline, and K-Y...just to name a few. ;^) -- Mike B. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 16 16:13:49 2004 Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 16:14:44 -0500 To: "William J. Huson" , matthew patton From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Don't get hit by sleepy drivers in Iowa Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX At 12:33 PM 1/16/04 -0500, William J. Huson wrote: >matthew patton wrote: > >> And for those who want to throw stones, can you swear on your honor >> that you have NEVER operated a vehicle when you were dangerously >> sleepy? > >Not me. Me neither. I was driving a couple of friends home to the Tidewater area from D.C. after a weekend long party. About 3am on Sunday night we were down around Williamsburg on I-64 and I started having a real hard time keeping my eyes open. When I drifted over onto the shoulder a bit, I decided it was time to let someone else drive, and I napped a bit in the passenger seat (the person I handed the wheel over to had been doing that since D.C... :^) >A party night which involved vorocious bed-wrecking fornication "Vorocious"? I like that word! Send it in to the OED for the next release! :^) -- Mike B. **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 16 16:45:52 2004 Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 16:46:31 -0500 To: "Custer, Carl" , "'Verde, Robert'" , DCCycles From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Reflections on boots (long-winded) At 01:14 PM 1/16/04 -0500, Custer, Carl wrote: >[Carl]: Goop or Shoe-Goo does a pretty good job of building up >non-replaceable worn soles. I have a pair of Alpinestar boots that have >gone through a couple of tubes - each (yeah, yeah ride more walk less). Does that stuff make a sole that works well for riding? I've used it before to fix sneakers with holes, so I could at least use them for yard work, but for riding I want boots with some good traction on the soles. Stopping at a light and having my leg slide away sideways on an oil patch so that I drop the bike isn't something I want to think about. Besides the damage to the bike, I'm just not that limber anymore... :^) -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 16 16:47:10 2004 From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'Mike Bartman'" , "'DCCycles'" Subject: Screaming speedo Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 16:52:13 -0500 >Verde Reminisced, "I noticed on the way in this morning (a bracing eighteen >degrees...) that there is some odd noise coming from my instrument cluster, >a kind of shrill screaming sound." MB: My old '92 Pathfinder used to do that too. Never did figure out if it was the cable or the instrument itself. Never seemed to hurt anything either, and it would stop after a few miles of screaming. Only happened when it was below freezing. [Carl]: I verified that it was the speedo in this case, not the cable. >Unlike the Sabre, the '83 'Ceptor's speedo unit is accessible so you >could gently apply some thin lube directly onto the nylon and brass >gears. MB: What sort is good for that? White Lithium Grease maybe? Carl: Something thinner because it only happens when it's cold. FWIW, WD-40 seems to do the job for me. If I could reach the gears, I would likely use graphite or a teflon spritz. MB: Just wondering, as there are a lot of different "lubes" around, and folks here and other places often say something like what you did, but seldom specify a type. Leaves those of us who aren't long time wrench holders wondering what to use, and fearing using the wrong stuff. There are big differences between wheel bearing grease, white lithium grease, Moly Blue chain lube, graphite, silicon spray, WD-40, Vaseline, and K-Y...just to name a few. ;^) Carl: Astrolube? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 16 16:50:38 2004 From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'Mike Bartman'" , "'Verde, Robert'" , DCCycles Subject: RE: Reflections on boots (long-winded) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 16:55:40 -0500 >[Carl]: Goop or Shoe-Goo does a pretty good job of building up >non-replaceable worn soles. I have a pair of Alpinestar boots that >have gone through a couple of tubes - each (yeah, yeah ride more walk >less). MB: Does that stuff make a sole that works well for riding? I've used it before to fix sneakers with holes, so I could at least use them for yard work, but for riding I want boots with some good traction on the soles. Stopping at a light and having my leg slide away sideways on an oil patch so that I drop the bike isn't something I want to think about. Besides the damage to the bike, I'm just not that limber anymore... :^) Carl: I've applied it on the sole ridges (or as best as I could determine where they were. The stuff is fairly hard, but seems to have plenty of friction, especially on a textured road surface. Dunno about smooth steel plates but tires ain't grand on steel plates either. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 16 17:00:13 2004 Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 16:58:10 -0500 To: "Verde, Robert" , From: Mike Bartman Subject: RE: Dropped bike syndrome... At 02:40 PM 1/16/04 -0500, Verde, Robert wrote: >I'm picturing having a small econo-car with no real innards, just a functioning charging system and a bank of batteries... Park it near the bike, run it a few times a week to keep the battery charged up. Heck, I could even run an inverter in the car, create a way to keep the bike on a Battery Tender after all! Or check out those solar battery trickle chargers. My dad's van came with one built into the roof, and I've seen them for sale for laptop users. They roll up when you aren't using them, so they should fit in the saddle bag. they do require sunshine though, but we had that today. >That reminds me, I've got to follow up on my determination to wire the bike for gloves, at the very least. Maybe a vest, socks (do they make electric socks?), then the pant liners... More time to spend in the garage! Yes, they make electric socks. They had a pair on display at the Gerbings "booth" at the D.C. show last weekend. I was thinking about it, since toes are the last holdout for chilliness with me, but someone who was looking them over with a friend pointed out their worst feature: the wires run *under* the foot, so walking on them would be painful, and riding very far wouldn't be much fun either. I felt the bottom of the display foot, and I tend to agree with him. Pass. Before you get too electrified, do some math. Add up the current draw for all the things on your bike (high beams, turn signals, engine ignition, GPS, etc.) then add up the current draw for the electrical clothes you want to get, then compare that figure to the one for the output of your charging system at some reasonable RPM (150 -3000 for a Harley, probably twice that for a sport bike?). If the first figure is bigger, start removing items until you get down to or below your charging system figure. Otherwise you won't need the electric gear to stay warm. Pushing your bike when the battery finishes draining will do that for you. -- Mike B. **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 16 17:06:23 2004 Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 17:05:34 -0500 To: "Custer, Carl" , "'DCCycles'" From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Screaming speedo At 04:52 PM 1/16/04 -0500, Custer, Carl wrote: >MB: What sort is good for that? White Lithium Grease maybe? > >Carl: Something thinner because it only happens when it's cold. >FWIW, WD-40 seems to do the job for me. If I could reach the gears, I would >likely use graphite or a teflon spritz. Thanks for the info! >MB: Just wondering, as there are a lot of different "lubes" around, and >folks here and other places often say something like what you did, but >seldom specify a type. Leaves those of us who aren't long time wrench >holders wondering what to use, and fearing using the wrong stuff. There are >big differences between wheel bearing grease, white lithium grease, Moly >Blue chain lube, graphite, silicon spray, WD-40, Vaseline, and K-Y...just to >name a few. ;^) > >Carl: Astrolube? It's not just for die casting anymore? -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 16 17:06:23 2004 Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 17:08:37 -0500 To: "Custer, Carl" , "'Verde, Robert'" , DCCycles From: Mike Bartman Subject: RE: Reflections on boots (long-winded) At 04:55 PM 1/16/04 -0500, Custer, Carl wrote: >>[Carl]: Goop or Shoe-Goo does a pretty good job of building up >MB: Does that stuff make a sole that works well for riding? I've used it >Carl: I've applied it on the sole ridges (or as best as I could determine >where they were. The stuff is fairly hard, but seems to have plenty of >friction, especially on a textured road surface. Dunno about smooth steel >plates but tires ain't grand on steel plates either. Very true. Wet steel plates are worse. Ditto those wide white "stop stripes" that they put down with a torch rather than a paint brush. I treat them as if they were wet leaves... -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 16 18:48:18 2004 From: "Michael Jordan" To: Subject: RE: Boot recommendations Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 18:48:02 -0500 >Must be late, comparing leg sizes... > >Carl It's just that when you've been rejected by almost every pair of boots, you tend to be cautious (sniff)... Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 16 18:53:13 2004 Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 18:52:03 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" To: adamme1@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Dropped bike syndrome... Wrongo, Harley breath! It's a "Jiffy Stand(tm)". Failure to add the trademark registration mark could get you sued by Harley-Davidson(tm)! adamme1@XXXXXX wrote: > Argh! Blasphemy! It's not a "kickstand" or a "sidestand", > Harleys "oh-fish-el" term is "Jiffy stand". > > You newbie Harley riders make me queasy. ;-) > > -aki > > > > > From: "William J. Huson" > > Date: 2004/01/16 Fri PM 03:12:13 EST > > To: Carl Schelin > > CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Re: Dropped bike syndrome... > > > > Carl Schelin wrote: > > > > > One nice thing I noted about the Harley was the kickstand. It has an > > > opening for the top of the kickstand to slide into keeping it from > > > rolling forward. > > > > > > > True, but first day I had my harley I didn't know about that tricky little sidestand gate. > > Park the bike, flip sidestand down, or so I thought, and exit bike. Turn handlebars full > > left and *smush* bike falls and flattens my skinny butt. Mucho cussing ensues, and then I > > see the prob - the sidestand wasn't down far enough to engage the gate! Hence forward, I > > always check before bailing off the bike. > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 16 19:03:56 2004 Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 16:03:47 -0800 (PST) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Gerbings (was: RE: Dropped bike syndrome...) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Mike Bartman wrote: > At 02:40 PM 1/16/04 -0500, Verde, Robert wrote: > Before you get too electrified, do some math. Add up the current draw > for > all the things on your bike (high beams, turn signals, engine ignition, > GPS, etc.) then add up the current draw for the electrical clothes you > want > to get, then compare that figure to the one for the output of your > charging > system at some reasonable RPM (150 -3000 for a Harley, probably twice > that > for a sport bike?). If the first figure is bigger, start removing items > until you get down to or below your charging system figure. Otherwise > you > won't need the electric gear to stay warm. Pushing your bike when the > battery finishes draining will do that for you. > I'm with you here. I have the jacket liner (77 watts) and gloves (22 watts) and they work fine on both bikes. However, on the Suzuki, if I have the thermostat to full, the horn stops working. Wicking it down to 3/4's or so brings the horn back after a few minutes. If you see me riding down the road beeping, I'm just testing my thermostat :-) > -- Mike B. > Carl __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 16 22:13:12 2004 From: "Mobacc" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Re: Reflections on boots (long-winded) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 22:09:33 -0500 Mike Bartman questioned -- Custer, Carl wrote: >[Carl]: Goop or Shoe-Goo does a pretty good job of building up >non-replaceable worn soles. I have a pair of Alpinestar boots that have >gone through a couple of tubes - each (yeah, yeah ride more walk less). Does that stuff make a sole that works well for riding? I've used it before to fix sneakers with holes, so I could at least use them for yard work, but for riding I want boots with some good traction on the soles. Stopping at a light and having my leg slide away sideways on an oil patch so that I drop the bike isn't something I want to think about. Besides the damage to the bike, I'm just not that limber anymore... :^) ...snip *****I constantly cancel prospective boots because of wimpy soles, resulting in constant every-couple-of-year resoling of my comfy 6-year-olds with Vibram lugged bottoms. They are next to octopus grippy and I'm sure have saved several slips (foot traction ranking right up there with tire traction). Wish more street shoes had them. Experience with Shoe Goo on recreational shoes is that it dries smooth, slipping on wetness. Maybe with sand mixed in . . .. Bill S. / DC '99 VN750 > Uh Uh. No Goo on my treads, please Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 17 17:13:04 2004 Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 17:09:04 -0500 From: Chuck and Karen Pena Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: New CBR600RR - kinda long Well, I did it. I just bought a CBR600RR. 2003 in all black. From the Motorcycle Factory (aka MFI) in Woodbridge, VA. I got a good, fair deal. Straightforward pricing over the phone. No hassles whatsoever. If you're interested in either a Honda or Kawasaki, I would strongly recommend you talk to the folks at MFI. I think you'll be pleasantly surprised. The person I dealt with was Woody and he was really nice. No bullshit. No typical motorcycle/car dealer antics. I know I didn't get the absolute best, rock bottom price on a leftover 2003. For that, I would've had to go out to the Honda dealer in Romney, WV. If you want an '03 CBR600RR, they're selling them for $7295 (when I called, they had one in each of the three colors -- black, yellow, and Honda red) and the '04s for $7595. But I just didn't have the time and wherewithal to deal with going 140 miles to buy a m/c plus the hassle of having to title, register, license the bike myself in VA. And I absolutely wanted the all-black CBR600RR. The '04 black one has the Honda wings graphics. Easily enough peeled off with a blow-dryer/heat gun on the fairings. But no way to get the one on the tank off (at least not easily) because it's underneath the clearcoat. So... MFI was able to get a black '03 from another dealer (in Baltimore as it turns out). But because it wasn't out of their stock (they didn't have any '03s), I couldn't get a super sweet deal because they were at the mercy of whatever the other dealer wanted for the bike. Nonetheless, I got a good deal. Essentially, an out-the-door price for what MFI would've sold me an '04 CBR600RR from their stock (right now, they just have the red one but are expecting the all-blue and the black ones in by the end of the month). BTW, MFI was willing to price match on bikes they had in stock if anyone else is winter shopping. As an aside, we all know Coleman sucks but so does Criswell (MD dealer in Rockville/Gaithersburg). I had actually called them in my search for a black '03 CBR600RR. They told me they had 2 of them. You'd think they'd be willing to do some sort of deal to unload them since the '04s are already rolling into dealers. Not a chance. Their out-the-door price was $500 higher than MFI's (and remember MFI had to go get an '03 for me from another dealer) and they were jerks on the phone. Even though I told them I had a better deal from another dealer, they didn't even try to give me a reason to shop from them. Just the opposite. Completely inflexible talking about price. Not even a "Come on in and we'll see what we can do." Basically, they want MORE for an '03 than what at least MFI (and Romney) will sell an '04 for. I hope their '03s rot on their showrrom floor. And the reason MFI got my CBR600RR from a Baltimore dealer is because Criswell jerked them around too, wanting to charge excessive set-up fees that would've been passed on to me. Another reason to buy from MFI: a 15% parts/accessories discount when you buy your m/c and a 10% lifetime discount thereafter. And they don't seem to be too hard over on the 15% discount just on the day you actually buy your m/c, but seem willing to give you 15% off on your first purchase and then 10% for all other purchases. At least that's the deal they did for me. I won't be doing much to my CBR600RR. Gonna peel all the graphics off the bodywork. Plan to add a Two Bros C-5 carbon fiber slip-on. They claim you don't need to do any fuel injection re-mapping and I'm hoping that's the case because that means not having to buy a Power Commander and saves me $300 bucks. Graves Motorsport fender eliminator kit to get rid of the ugly mud flap on the back. Will get rid of the heat shields around the stock exhaust as well as the rear passenger pegs. Some kind of tank protector. Bar end and swingarms sliders (black). Will need to think about frame sliders because it means cutting holes in the bodywork. Maybe different grips and a smoke double-bubble windscreen at a later date. But that's probably it. Finally, this purchase means my 1993 FZR600 Benetton Formula One-inspired DIY painted track bike with lights is up for sale. $2700 OBO. In no rush to get rid of it, but certainly willing to let someone take it off my hands this winter. Great first-time sportbike or track bike. By modern 600 standards, the motor is "weak," putting out only 75 hp. But that also means it's harder to get in too far over your head and into big trouble. That said, it's plenty fast. I've seen 140mph indicated on the speedo. D&D full race exhaust. Jetted (last year). Slight flat spot at ~5000 rpm but pulls smoothly all the way to the limit. Even though it may not be scary fast in a straight line, my FZR can corner with the best of them. Fox Twin Clicker rear shock. Race Tech'ed front end (springs and emulators). Beefy, custom frong fork brace. It's at home in the corners, either on the street or on the track. An "easy" bike to learn the fine art of knee dragging. Sticky BT-56SS tires with plenty of tread life left in them. Other stuff: New sprockets and chain last year. Running 14T up front and 46T in back and using an RK 520 chain. The gearing is -1 in the front and +1 in the back from stock. It sacrifices some top speed for more pull/drive in the corners and probably a little quicker acceleration. Frame and bar end sliders. Steel braided front brake lines (I can't remember about the rear). HH front brake pads. UNI air filter (and I have filter oil). Will include Airtech front numberplate for track duty. BTW, the headlights have clear stoneguards so they don't need to be taped for the track. Smoke windscreen (I think it's LP, but I honestly can't remember). Already minimally safety-wired for track use: rear axle cotter pin, oil filter, and oil filler cap. BTW, I'm using Mobil One 5W-50 automobile oil. FULL DISCLOSURE: I'm the second owner. Bought it on eBay from a guy in CO. It's been down at least once. I lowsided on the left side 2 seasons ago at Summit Point. I repaired the bodywork myself, which means it's OK but not perfect. I'm pretty sure the previous owner lowsided once too (probably at the track). The left fairing had been repaired with some sort of plastic weld when I bought it (which I had to repair again -- less elegantly -- after my minor adventure at Summit). Speaking of bodywork, the tailpiece is an Airtech TZ250 tailpiece, which gives the bike a completely different GP-ish look. It also means that I had to do a DIY DOT-legal brake/tail light. Frame was painted flat-black by the previous owner, as was the bodywork. All sorts of pics and words at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas/chux_gsxr.htm. I have all the paperwork that the original owner gave me when I bought it, as well as for any shop work I've had done. One final note: my FZR will pass inspection in VA because VA law doesn't require turn signals and I don't have any. I can't vouch for it passing in either DC or MD. And if you need/want turn signals, that's completely up to you. Also, it doesn't have a rear license plate light (which it's technically supposed to have) but I've never been hassled about it. Chuck From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 17 17:41:05 2004 Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 14:41:01 -0800 (PST) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Re: New CBR600RR - kinda long To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Excellent. So we'll be seeing you on the road? And thanks for the link to Tapeworks. What did you think of the product? I'm thinking of getting a set for my 95 GSXR750. Something bright and visible :-) Congrats on the new ride. Carl --- Chuck and Karen Pena wrote: > Well, I did it. I just bought a CBR600RR. 2003 in all black. From the __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 17 17:43:45 2004 Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 14:43:42 -0800 (PST) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Project update To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Hey hey hey. As we came home from the gym, lo and behold, my springer front end has arrived. I'm almost at rolling chassis point. Time to mount the engine and get some tabs welded on. The guy who did the forks also makes sissy bars. Gotta find a front and rear fender, license plate holder; I like the axle mounted one I saw at the show... http://www.geocities.com/dm_gsxr/chopper/index.html Later, Carl __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 17 18:21:44 2004 Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 18:21:25 -0500 Subject: Re: New CBR600RR - kinda long From: Randy Moran To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Congrats, Chuck. And I will second your good words about MFI. I bought my RC51 from Woody last year and was very happy with both the price and the service. RPM On Saturday, January 17, 2004, at 05:09 PM, Chuck and Karen Pena wrote: > Well, I did it. I just bought a CBR600RR. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 17 19:16:19 2004 Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 19:15:04 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: New CBR600RR - kinda long *ahem* You gonna put those deer whistle things on it? Chuck and Karen Pena wrote: > Well, I did it. I just bought a CBR600RR. 2003 in all black. From the > Motorcycle Factory (aka MFI) in Woodbridge, VA. I got a good, fair > deal. Straightforward pricing over the phone. No hassles whatsoever. > If you're interested in either a Honda or Kawasaki, I would strongly > recommend you talk to the folks at MFI. I think you'll be pleasantly > surprised. The person I dealt with was Woody and he was really nice. > No bullshit. No typical motorcycle/car dealer antics. > > I know I didn't get the absolute best, rock bottom price on a leftover > 2003. For that, I would've had to go out to the Honda dealer in Romney, > WV. If you want an '03 CBR600RR, they're selling them for $7295 (when I > called, they had one in each of the three colors -- black, yellow, and > Honda red) and the '04s for $7595. But I just didn't have the time and > wherewithal to deal with going 140 miles to buy a m/c plus the hassle of > having to title, register, license the bike myself in VA. > > And I absolutely wanted the all-black CBR600RR. The '04 black one has > the Honda wings graphics. Easily enough peeled off with a > blow-dryer/heat gun on the fairings. But no way to get the one on the > tank off (at least not easily) because it's underneath the clearcoat. So... > > MFI was able to get a black '03 from another dealer (in Baltimore as it > turns out). But because it wasn't out of their stock (they didn't have > any '03s), I couldn't get a super sweet deal because they were at the > mercy of whatever the other dealer wanted for the bike. Nonetheless, I > got a good deal. Essentially, an out-the-door price for what MFI > would've sold me an '04 CBR600RR from their stock (right now, they just > have the red one but are expecting the all-blue and the black ones in by > the end of the month). BTW, MFI was willing to price match on bikes > they had in stock if anyone else is winter shopping. > > As an aside, we all know Coleman sucks but so does Criswell (MD dealer > in Rockville/Gaithersburg). I had actually called them in my search for > a black '03 CBR600RR. They told me they had 2 of them. You'd think > they'd be willing to do some sort of deal to unload them since the '04s > are already rolling into dealers. Not a chance. Their out-the-door > price was $500 higher than MFI's (and remember MFI had to go get an '03 > for me from another dealer) and they were jerks on the phone. Even > though I told them I had a better deal from another dealer, they didn't > even try to give me a reason to shop from them. Just the opposite. > Completely inflexible talking about price. Not even a "Come on in and > we'll see what we can do." Basically, they want MORE for an '03 than > what at least MFI (and Romney) will sell an '04 for. I hope their '03s > rot on their showrrom floor. And the reason MFI got my CBR600RR from a > Baltimore dealer is because Criswell jerked them around too, wanting to > charge excessive set-up fees that would've been passed on to me. > > Another reason to buy from MFI: a 15% parts/accessories discount when > you buy your m/c and a 10% lifetime discount thereafter. And they don't > seem to be too hard over on the 15% discount just on the day you > actually buy your m/c, but seem willing to give you 15% off on your > first purchase and then 10% for all other purchases. At least that's > the deal they did for me. > > I won't be doing much to my CBR600RR. Gonna peel all the graphics off > the bodywork. Plan to add a Two Bros C-5 carbon fiber slip-on. They > claim you don't need to do any fuel injection re-mapping and I'm hoping > that's the case because that means not having to buy a Power Commander > and saves me $300 bucks. Graves Motorsport fender eliminator kit to get > rid of the ugly mud flap on the back. Will get rid of the heat shields > around the stock exhaust as well as the rear passenger pegs. Some kind > of tank protector. Bar end and swingarms sliders (black). Will need to > think about frame sliders because it means cutting holes in the > bodywork. Maybe different grips and a smoke double-bubble windscreen at > a later date. But that's probably it. > > Finally, this purchase means my 1993 FZR600 Benetton Formula > One-inspired DIY painted track bike with lights is up for sale. $2700 > OBO. In no rush to get rid of it, but certainly willing to let someone > take it off my hands this winter. Great first-time sportbike or track > bike. By modern 600 standards, the motor is "weak," putting out only 75 > hp. But that also means it's harder to get in too far over your head > and into big trouble. That said, it's plenty fast. I've seen 140mph > indicated on the speedo. D&D full race exhaust. Jetted (last year). > Slight flat spot at ~5000 rpm but pulls smoothly all the way to the > limit. Even though it may not be scary fast in a straight line, my FZR > can corner with the best of them. Fox Twin Clicker rear shock. Race > Tech'ed front end (springs and emulators). Beefy, custom frong fork > brace. It's at home in the corners, either on the street or on the > track. An "easy" bike to learn the fine art of knee dragging. Sticky > BT-56SS tires with plenty of tread life left in them. Other stuff: New > sprockets and chain last year. Running 14T up front and 46T in back and > using an RK 520 chain. The gearing is -1 in the front and +1 in the > back from stock. It sacrifices some top speed for more pull/drive in > the corners and probably a little quicker acceleration. Frame and bar > end sliders. Steel braided front brake lines (I can't remember about > the rear). HH front brake pads. UNI air filter (and I have filter > oil). Will include Airtech front numberplate for track duty. BTW, the > headlights have clear stoneguards so they don't need to be taped for the > track. Smoke windscreen (I think it's LP, but I honestly can't > remember). Already minimally safety-wired for track use: rear axle > cotter pin, oil filter, and oil filler cap. BTW, I'm using Mobil One > 5W-50 automobile oil. FULL DISCLOSURE: I'm the second owner. Bought it > on eBay from a guy in CO. It's been down at least once. I lowsided on > the left side 2 seasons ago at Summit Point. I repaired the bodywork > myself, which means it's OK but not perfect. I'm pretty sure the > previous owner lowsided once too (probably at the track). The left > fairing had been repaired with some sort of plastic weld when I bought > it (which I had to repair again -- less elegantly -- after my minor > adventure at Summit). Speaking of bodywork, the tailpiece is an Airtech > TZ250 tailpiece, which gives the bike a completely different GP-ish > look. It also means that I had to do a DIY DOT-legal brake/tail light. > Frame was painted flat-black by the previous owner, as was the > bodywork. All sorts of pics and words at > http://www.geocities.com/the_penas/chux_gsxr.htm. I have all the > paperwork that the original owner gave me when I bought it, as well as > for any shop work I've had done. One final note: my FZR will pass > inspection in VA because VA law doesn't require turn signals and I don't > have any. I can't vouch for it passing in either DC or MD. And if you > need/want turn signals, that's completely up to you. Also, it doesn't > have a rear license plate light (which it's technically supposed to > have) but I've never been hassled about it. > > Chuck From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 17 19:27:32 2004 Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 16:27:29 -0800 (PST) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Re: New CBR600RR - kinda long To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX The only thing that works for keeping deer away would be to carry a rifle. My hunting friends tell me they seldom see deer when hunting so it must work :-) Carl --- "William J. Huson" wrote: > *ahem* You gonna put those deer whistle things on it? > > Chuck and Karen Pena wrote: > > > Well, I did it. I just bought a CBR600RR. 2003 in all black. From > the __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 17 19:40:35 2004 Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 19:36:58 -0500 From: Chuck and Karen Pena Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: New CBR600RR - kinda long > Excellent. So we'll be seeing you on the road? I certainly hope so! Will hopefully find more time to ride this year. > And thanks for the link to Tapeworks. What did you think of the product? > I'm thinking of getting a set for my 95 GSXR750. Something bright and > visible :-) I was happy with my Tapeworks kit. The stuff seemed very high quality. At least as good, if not better, than what the factories use for their graphics. But I didn't install it myself. I had the guy who re-painted by GSXR (Noah) do it. It seems like it should be pretty straightforward but I have a feeling it might be more of a PITA than meets the eye. Probably requires lots of patience. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 17 19:43:13 2004 Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 19:39:36 -0500 From: Chuck and Karen Pena Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: New CBR600RR - kinda long > *ahem* You gonna put those deer whistle things on it? Will just do my best to avoid deer and riding during deer hunting season. %^) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 17 21:58:40 2004 Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 22:13:06 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: New CBR600RR - kinda long On Sat, 17 Jan 2004, Chuck and Karen Pena wrote: > I won't be doing much to my CBR600RR. Gonna peel all the graphics off > the bodywork. Plan to add a Two Bros C-5 carbon fiber slip-on. They > claim you don't need to do any fuel injection re-mapping and I'm hoping Most slip ons are just for noise/looks, so I'd have to agree. If you don't have to remap or rejet, then there wasn't any A/F change and therefore no difference in power. :-) > that's the case because that means not having to buy a Power Commander > and saves me $300 bucks. Graves Motorsport fender eliminator kit to get > rid of the ugly mud flap on the back. Will get rid of the heat shields > around the stock exhaust as well as the rear passenger pegs. Some kind > of tank protector. I've been using a Tank Slapper on my Hayabusa for the past 2 years. It's showing a lot of wear (I wear full leathers 90% of the time, textile the other 10%), but has saved my paint. I think it was like $17 and you can't even see it on the bike - http://www.thetankslapper.com/ I'll probably order another one sometime in '04 to replace this one :-) BTW, congrats on the new bike and the great experience with MFI. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 17 23:35:53 2004 Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 20:35:44 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: do axles need to pinch fork lowers together? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I'm doing an experiment with my bike. As part of that I've noticed that the axle on this bike just like all the others I've had pulls the fork lowers toward each other and thus takes the gap (a very small one) out of the wheel+spacer+speedo drive sequence. I've asked a couple people and they say that: 1) this shouldn't be happening unless the factory was sloppy about specs and 2) that it's a bad idea for the fork tubes to be drawn in because that means they are no longer properly vertical and thus leads to unnecessary binding. So, this begs the question, why it is that factories put these little lips on axles and receiver nuts? If the pinch bolts (on both legs no less) are sufficient (are they?) to keep fork splay forces at bay and also the axle from sliding laterally, why do they do this? Is there any reason why I couldn't just mill these flanges off? If I tighten the axle to it's spec and center it in the aseembly and then tighten the pinch bolts do I have anything to worry about? ===== * A successful marriage isn't finding the right person; it's being the right person. * To forgive is to set the prisoner free and then discover the prisoner was you. * Liberalism always generates the exact opposite of it's stated intent. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jan 18 09:51:12 2004 Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 09:51:02 -0500 From: Larry Meyer To: DC Cycles List Subject: Spam: Motorcycle Transport Trailer for Sale A friend of mine is selling this - he says it'll carry three Harleys. Photos available. Contact me off list if interested. Larry TRITON, like new, open, all aluminum (light weight - easy tow), diamond plate floor and wind screen, easy and safe ride-on or roll-on loading, spare tire and rim, torx axle, pulls like a dream - loaded or empty, $1500. If interested in photos, please let us know. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jan 18 19:23:17 2004 From: "Rob Sharp" To: Wayne Edelen , Subject: Re: New CBR600RR - kinda long Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 19:24:20 -0500 On Sat, 17 Jan 2004 22:13:06 -0500 (EST), Wayne Edelen wrote I agree with Wayne the biggest difference in power that can be made is a better air box/filter. Exhaust is look and sound. I dunno about you, but louder feels faster/more powerful in my mind :) I was riding down the GW Parkway last summer on my little Hawk and in the right lane going about 55 and this guy on a yellow yamaha something came flying by me probably going 120+. This exhaust was SO LOUD I jumped in my saddle. From that point on I knew I needed a louder pipe :) Regards, Rob "wants people to jump in their seat when he flys by" Sharp > Most slip ons are just for noise/looks, so I'd have to agree. If you > don't have to remap or rejet, then there wasn't any A/F change and > therefore no difference in power. :-) > > -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ -- Rob Sharp 1996 Honda VFR 750 2003 Chevy S10 Xtreme SSCP/CCSP/CCNA 2.0/CCSA Network Security Engineer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jan 18 19:41:42 2004 Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 19:56:05 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: New CBR600RR - kinda long On Sun, 18 Jan 2004, Rob Sharp wrote: > I agree with Wayne the biggest difference in power that can be made is a > better air box/filter. Exhaust is look and sound. That's not what I said, Rob. :-) Slip ons are for appearance/sound. A good full exhaust system will add power and drop 10-20lbs off of your sportbike. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jan 18 19:50:00 2004 Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 19:49:55 -0500 Subject: Re: New CBR600RR - kinda long From: Stephen Miller To: Congrats, Chuck! Why not just keep your FZR as a track-only bike? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 19 20:08:45 2004 Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 17:08:40 -0800 (PST) From: Buster Rockville Subject: Just Joined The Forum and have some questions.... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Hello, I just joined the forum and have some questions: 1) Do you guys organize group rides on a pretty regular basis during the riding season? I checked out the calendar on the web, but didn't see a lot of rides. 2) Does it matter what type of bike (sport, cruiser) you have? I started riding over the summer and have a Kawa ZX-6. 3) During a group ride, do you wait for others to catch up, or is everyone pretty much responsible for knowing the route? Thank a lot in advance! Jeff from Rockville, MD. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 19 20:23:37 2004 From: "Dave Yates" To: Subject: Re: Just Joined The Forum and have some questions.... Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 20:23:30 -0500 X-ELNK-Trace: 956056117932dab21aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79e07421675a747cf1617b52b4d482235d350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c Jeff delurked: > Hello, > > I just joined the forum and have some questions: [Dave] Welcome to the list. > 1) Do you guys organize group rides on a pretty > regular basis during the riding season? I checked out > the calendar on the web, but didn't see a lot of > rides. [Dave] Yes, there are infrequent and irregular gatherings inclusive of DC-Cycles LM's... If you miss one, relax, just wait for the crash report ;-) > 2) Does it matter what type of bike (sport, cruiser) > you have? I started riding over the summer and have a > Kawa ZX-6. [Dave] No, it matters _how_ you ride. > 3) During a group ride, do you wait for others to > catch up, or is everyone pretty much responsible for > knowing the route? [Dave] They always start out with people waiting. Some rides split off into a fast group, and everyone else. Obviously, it helps to have some idea of the route. I think most of us here have enough common sense to not race on the street, but the pace can get brisk in the 'fast group'. Maybe the "polar bear" riders among us will organize a cooooooooooooold weather ride to acclimate the recent crop of newbies. Let me know how that goes if you go ;-) way too chilly for me. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 19 20:28:28 2004 From: "Rob Sharp" To: Buster Rockville , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Just Joined The Forum and have some questions.... Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 20:29:34 -0500 We pretty much just argue with each other about various motorcycle and non motorcycle topics. Mostly non motorcycle though. I went on one ride with some DC-cycles guys. They ride pretty fast, but they did stop and wait for me when I got far behind :) The types of bike is about as varied as the opinions of the riders. I have a 1996 Honda VFR 750 (Red). I like in Rockville too, in Kings Farm. So if you see a VFR it could be me (make sure to wave)... :) Rob On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 17:08:40 -0800 (PST), Buster Rockville wrote > Hello, > > I just joined the forum and have some questions: > > 1) Do you guys organize group rides on a pretty > regular basis during the riding season? I checked out > the calendar on the web, but didn't see a lot of > rides. > > 2) Does it matter what type of bike (sport, cruiser) > you have? I started riding over the summer and have a > Kawa ZX-6. > > 3) During a group ride, do you wait for others to > catch up, or is everyone pretty much responsible for > knowing the route? > > Thank a lot in advance! > > Jeff from Rockville, MD. > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes > http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus -- Rob Sharp 1996 Honda VFR 750 2003 Chevy S10 Xtreme SSCP/CCSP/CCNA 2.0/CCSA Network Security Engineer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 19 21:15:46 2004 Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 18:15:38 -0800 (PST) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Re: Just Joined The Forum and have some questions.... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Buster Rockville wrote: > Hello, > > I just joined the forum and have some questions: > Cool, welcome. > 1) Do you guys organize group rides on a pretty > regular basis during the riding season? I checked out > the calendar on the web, but didn't see a lot of > rides. Weelll, riding season is pretty loose. Several of us ride through all the seasons (some would say 365 but I don't have studed tires on my bikes :-) As far as organized dc-cycles specific rides, I don't think that happens. We have had organized dc-cycles specific meetings; Thursday Borders meetings and there was a massive meeting a couple of years back. I believe there are organized rides which include dc-cycles listers. A subtle difference I admit. That's not to say it couldn't happen and I'm certainly not a long time reader (2 years so far). > > 2) Does it matter what type of bike (sport, cruiser) > you have? I started riding over the summer and have a > Kawa ZX-6. > For the list? Nope. Mostly sportbikers here IMO but there are a few cruisers riding here as well. For the rides? I'd say no but if you're a new rider, taking it easy and maybe going on some solo rides first would be in order. But, I prefer solo or dual rides. The few times I've been on a group ride, it's been slow and a bit tedious. *shrug* YMMV of course. > 3) During a group ride, do you wait for others to > catch up, or is everyone pretty much responsible for > knowing the route? > I'll leave it to other actual group riders for this answer. > Thank a lot in advance! > Happy to help. Ride safe. > Jeff from Rockville, MD. > Carl 02 Harley FXSTI 95 Suzuki GSXR 750W 76 Honda Chopper (in progress) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 19 22:11:50 2004 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Just Joined The Forum and have some questions.... Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 22:00:36 -0500 I've been on here almost 2.5 yrs from what I gather there used to be group rides. People crashed, got accidents, ect. People learned who they like to ride w/ and ride w/ them. www.dcsportbikes.com is a message board, not a list serve, they have a lot of group rides. They are very good about waiting up. There's also dcsportbikes.net, I'm not too familiar w/ them though. >From: Buster Rockville >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Just Joined The Forum and have some questions.... >Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 17:08:40 -0800 (PST) > I just joined the forum and have some questions: >1) Do you guys organize group rides on a pretty >regular basis during the riding season? I checked out >the calendar on the web, but didn't see a lot of >rides. >2) Does it matter what type of bike (sport, cruiser) >you have? I started riding over the summer and have a >Kawa ZX-6. >3) During a group ride, do you wait for others to >catch up, or is everyone pretty much responsible for >knowing the route? _________________________________________________________________ There are now three new levels of MSN Hotmail Extra Storage! Learn more. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=hotmail/es2&ST=1 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 20 08:41:48 2004 Reply-To: "Jon Strang" From: "Jon Strang" To: Subject: Re: Just Joined The Forum and have some questions.... Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 08:41:53 -0500 ---------"Buster Rockville" asked: > 1) Do you guys organize group rides on a pretty > regular basis during the riding season? I checked out > the calendar on the web, but didn't see a lot of > rides. Not regular, but sometimes. It takes a while to get the casts off and for Dad to send more money for another bike. > > 2) Does it matter what type of bike (sport, cruiser) > you have? I started riding over the summer and have a > Kawa ZX-6. No, dc-cycles group isn't bike-ist. We encourage people to crash any type of motorcycle. > > 3) During a group ride, do you wait for others to > catch up, or is everyone pretty much responsible for > knowing the route? We all meet at the crash site to wait for the ambulance and tow truck. > > Thank a lot in advance! You''re welcome From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 20 08:52:46 2004 From: To: Subject: Re: Re: Just Joined The Forum and have some questions.... Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 8:52:39 -0500 OMG. Cold diet Pepsi burns going through ones nose...especially at this time of the morning. 8-P -aki > > From: "Jon Strang" > Date: 2004/01/20 Tue AM 08:41:53 EST > To: > Subject: Re: Just Joined The Forum and have some questions.... > > ---------"Buster Rockville" asked: > > 1) Do you guys organize group rides on a pretty > > regular basis during the riding season? I checked out > > the calendar on the web, but didn't see a lot of > > rides. > > Not regular, but sometimes. It takes a while to get the casts off and for > Dad to send more money for another bike. > > > > > 2) Does it matter what type of bike (sport, cruiser) > > you have? I started riding over the summer and have a > > Kawa ZX-6. > > No, dc-cycles group isn't bike-ist. We encourage people to crash any type > of motorcycle. > > > > > 3) During a group ride, do you wait for others to > > catch up, or is everyone pretty much responsible for > > knowing the route? > > We all meet at the crash site to wait for the ambulance and tow truck. > > > > > Thank a lot in advance! > > You''re welcome > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 20 08:59:01 2004 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 05:59:01 -0800 (PST) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Just Joined The Forum and have some questions.... On Mon, 19 Jan 2004, Dave Yates wrote: > Maybe the "polar bear" riders among us will organize a cooooooooooooold > weather ride to acclimate the recent crop of newbies. Yeah, that's a great idea! We could tour the most scenic patches of snow and ice! "Our next waypoint is a particularly nasty stretch of black ice out on MD-214. Also note the slippery bits in amongst the grooved pavement on US-301. Stop that shivering, you! This is serious work." I'm happy to see that it looks like we'll be snow-free for most of this coming week. And the ride will be positively _balmy_ on Thursday, with a high of around 40. Woo! Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 20 09:26:33 2004 From: Richard Westbrook To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: New CBR600RR - (Tapeworks) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 09:24:57 -0500 About 5 years back I used Tapeworks after I got my VFR painted and they still look great. The kit I bought ended up to be about half the price of the Honda factory decals and they had a few extra decals in the set. They were pretty easy to apply but as I remember it does take a steady hand and some attention to detail. I was very happy with them. BTW, I have no affiliation with them, just happy with their product. Rich 95 VFR > ---------- > From: Carl Schelin > Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 5:41 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: New CBR600RR - kinda long > > Excellent. So we'll be seeing you on the road? > > And thanks for the link to Tapeworks. What did you think of the product? > I'm thinking of getting a set for my 95 GSXR750. Something bright and > visible :-) > > Congrats on the new ride. > > Carl > > --- Chuck and Karen Pena wrote: > > Well, I did it. I just bought a CBR600RR. 2003 in all black. From the > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes > http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 20 09:36:42 2004 Subject: Polar bear notes (Was: Just Joined The Forum and have some questions....) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 09:36:31 -0500 From: "Verde, Robert" To: "Fish Flowers" , "DC-Cycles" Found a new way for the cold to affect my bike; the freezing rain apparently got into my throttle assembly somehow, and iced up the throttle cables. Go to twist the wrist, get a fraction of the normal rotation. Felt like driving an underpowered scooter to work... I had hoped the warm engine temps would melt out/off whatever was causing the blockage, but no dice, so I dissasembled the throttle, and poured rubbing alcohol down the cables until it freed up. Did the same to my ignition (waiting until it evaporated to try for a spark... ;-^) which was also full of ice. I can't wait for temps to get above freezing again; this constant sub-(Celsius) zero stuff is for the birds. Robert -----Original Message----- From: Fish Flowers [mailto:fish@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 8:59 AM To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Just Joined The Forum and have some questions.... On Mon, 19 Jan 2004, Dave Yates wrote: > Maybe the "polar bear" riders among us will organize a cooooooooooooold > weather ride to acclimate the recent crop of newbies. Yeah, that's a great idea! We could tour the most scenic patches of snow and ice! "Our next waypoint is a particularly nasty stretch of black ice out on MD-214. Also note the slippery bits in amongst the grooved pavement on US-301. Stop that shivering, you! This is serious work." I'm happy to see that it looks like we'll be snow-free for most of this coming week. And the ride will be positively _balmy_ on Thursday, with a high of around 40. Woo! Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 20 09:40:01 2004 Subject: Bike painting (Was: RE: New CBR600RR - (Tapeworks)) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 09:39:53 -0500 From: "Verde, Robert" To: "Richard Westbrook" , Any recommends from the list for good places to get a bike painted? After my parking lot tip-over, I've been considering the subject... Last time I had a bike painted I used Noah, in Triangle, based on the good feedback from Chuck Pena and others. However, Noah told me at the time that he was getting out of the bike painting business, so I figured I'd ask and see if anyone has used another shop they'd recommend? Robert -----Original Message----- From: Richard Westbrook [mailto:RichardW@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 9:25 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: New CBR600RR - (Tapeworks) About 5 years back I used Tapeworks after I got my VFR painted and they still look great. The kit I bought ended up to be about half the price of the Honda factory decals and they had a few extra decals in the set. They were pretty easy to apply but as I remember it does take a steady hand and some attention to detail. I was very happy with them. BTW, I have no affiliation with them, just happy with their product. Rich 95 V From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 20 09:59:25 2004 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 09:59:16 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: "Verde, Robert" , Fish Flowers , DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Polar bear notes (Was: Just Joined The Forum and have some questions....) Heh, had this happen to me at last year's MSF instructor update. I was the day before the big President's Day weekend snowstorm. Turns out that crummy coffee that had been sitting all day was good for something. :) A good dousing freed everything up. It had been raining (icing up) and I think the water froze underneath the throttle tube. I'm up for a Polar Bear Run. Paul in DC 95 VFR - 86 VF500F -----Original Message----- From: "Verde, Robert" Found a new way for the cold to affect my bike; the freezing rain apparently got into my throttle assembly somehow, and iced up the throttle cables. Go to twist the wrist, get a fraction of the normal rotation. Felt like driving an underpowered scooter to work... I had hoped the warm engine temps would melt out/off whatever was causing the blockage, but no dice, so I dissasembled the throttle, and poured rubbing alcohol down the cables until it freed up. Did the same to my ignition (waiting until it evaporated to try for a spark... ;-^) which was also full of ice. I can't wait for temps to get above freezing again; this constant sub-(Celsius) zero stuff is for the birds. Robert From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 20 10:09:27 2004 Subject: RE: Polar bear notes (Was: Just Joined The Forum and have somequestions....) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 10:09:13 -0500 From: "Verde, Robert" To: "Paul Wilson" , "Fish Flowers" , "DC-Cycles" Yep, I've got tiny little icicles hanging from the metal throttle guides, under the right grip. Looks like the alcohol dissolved the ice, which re-froze when it reached air and the alcohol evaporated. I think the alcohol also cleaned out some old gummy cable lubricant, an added side benefit. I had to use hot tea from my thermos on the disc lock, though. I really need to find some good lock de-icer/lubricant, before I twist off a key in the lock one of these cold mornings. I'd be up for a winter wonderland ride, as long as we use warm restaurants as waypoints... ;-) Robert -----Original Message----- From: Paul Wilson [mailto:viffermaniac@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 9:59 AM To: Verde, Robert; Fish Flowers; DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Polar bear notes (Was: Just Joined The Forum and have somequestions....) Heh, had this happen to me at last year's MSF instructor update. I was the day before the big President's Day weekend snowstorm. Turns out that crummy coffee that had been sitting all day was good for something. :) A good dousing freed everything up. It had been raining (icing up) and I think the water froze underneath the throttle tube. I'm up for a Polar Bear Run. Paul in DC 95 VFR - 86 VF500F From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 20 10:23:01 2004 From: "Rob Sharp" To: "Jon Strang" , Subject: Re: Just Joined The Forum and have some questions.... Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 10:24:08 -0500 I guess I missed that ride :-D. LOL Rob On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 08:41:53 -0500, Jon Strang wrote > ---------"Buster Rockville" asked: > > 1) Do you guys organize group rides on a pretty > > regular basis during the riding season? I checked out > > the calendar on the web, but didn't see a lot of > > rides. > > Not regular, but sometimes. It takes a while to get the casts off > and for Dad to send more money for another bike. > > > > > 2) Does it matter what type of bike (sport, cruiser) > > you have? I started riding over the summer and have a > > Kawa ZX-6. > > No, dc-cycles group isn't bike-ist. We encourage people to crash > any type of motorcycle. > > > > > 3) During a group ride, do you wait for others to > > catch up, or is everyone pretty much responsible for > > knowing the route? > > We all meet at the crash site to wait for the ambulance and tow truck. > > > > > Thank a lot in advance! > > You''re welcome -- Rob Sharp 1996 Honda VFR 750 2003 Chevy S10 Xtreme SSCP/CCSP/CCNA 2.0/CCSA Network Security Engineer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 20 10:26:18 2004 From: "Rob Sharp" To: "Verde, Robert" , "Fish Flowers" , "DC-Cycles" Subject: Re: Polar bear notes (Was: Just Joined The Forum and have some questions....) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 10:27:26 -0500 How do you identify a DC-Cycle Riders? Look for the jackass riding around 495 with his throttle cable and ignition assembly on fire. Rob On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 09:36:31 -0500, Verde, Robert wrote > Found a new way for the cold to affect my bike; the freezing rain > apparently got into my throttle assembly somehow, and iced up the > throttle cables. Go to twist the wrist, get a fraction of the > normal rotation. Felt like driving an underpowered scooter to > work... I had hoped the warm engine temps would melt out/off > whatever was causing the blockage, but no dice, so I dissasembled > the throttle, and poured rubbing alcohol down the cables until it > freed up. Did the same to my ignition (waiting until it evaporated > to try for a spark... ;-^) which was also full of ice. > > I can't wait for temps to get above freezing again; this constant > sub-(Celsius) zero stuff is for the birds. > > Robert > > -----Original Message----- > From: Fish Flowers [mailto:fish@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 8:59 AM > To: DC-Cycles > Subject: Re: Just Joined The Forum and have some questions.... > > On Mon, 19 Jan 2004, Dave Yates wrote: > > > Maybe the "polar bear" riders among us will organize a cooooooooooooold > > weather ride to acclimate the recent crop of newbies. > > Yeah, that's a great idea! We could tour the most scenic patches of snow > and ice! "Our next waypoint is a particularly nasty stretch of black > ice out on MD-214. Also note the slippery bits in amongst the > grooved pavement on US-301. Stop that shivering, you! This is > serious work." > > I'm happy to see that it looks like we'll be snow-free for most of this > coming week. And the ride will be positively _balmy_ on Thursday, > with a high of around 40. Woo! > > Fish. -- Rob Sharp 1996 Honda VFR 750 2003 Chevy S10 Xtreme SSCP/CCSP/CCNA 2.0/CCSA Network Security Engineer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 20 10:29:41 2004 Subject: RE: Polar bear notes Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 10:29:28 -0500 From: "Verde, Robert" To: "Rob Sharp" , "Fish Flowers" , "DC-Cycles" Actually, that would be "riding over 495 on Rt. 7..." That way the flames can be seen for the maximum distance, causing a back-up on 495 in both directions. ;-) Robert -----Original Message----- From: Rob Sharp [mailto:rob@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 10:27 AM To: Verde, Robert; Fish Flowers; DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Polar bear notes (Was: Just Joined The Forum and have some questions....) How do you identify a DC-Cycle Riders? Look for the jackass riding around 495 with his throttle cable and ignition assembly on fire. Rob On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 09:36:31 -0500, Verde, Robert wrote > Found a new way for the cold to affect my bike; the freezing rain > apparently got into my throttle assembly somehow, and iced up the > throttle cables. Go to twist the wrist, get a fraction of the > normal rotation. Felt like driving an underpowered scooter to > work... I had hoped the warm engine temps would melt out/off > whatever was causing the blockage, but no dice, so I dissasembled > the throttle, and poured rubbing alcohol down the cables until it > freed up. Did the same to my ignition (waiting until it evaporated > to try for a spark... ;-^) which was also full of ice. > > I can't wait for temps to get above freezing again; this constant > sub-(Celsius) zero stuff is for the birds. > > Robert > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 20 10:33:05 2004 From: "Rob Keiser" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Polar bear notes (Was: Just Joined The Forum and have somequestions....) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 10:21:42 -0500 Have Gerbings, will travel. ;-) Rob '98 VFR800 Germantown, MD PS. Welcome to the mix. From: "Verde, Robert" To: "Paul Wilson" , "Fish Flowers" , "DC-Cycles" Subject: RE: Polar bear notes (Was: Just Joined The Forum and have somequestions....) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 10:09:13 -0500 Yep, I've got tiny little icicles hanging from the metal throttle guides, under the right grip. Looks like the alcohol dissolved the ice, which re-froze when it reached air and the alcohol evaporated. I think the alcohol also cleaned out some old gummy cable lubricant, an added side benefit. I had to use hot tea from my thermos on the disc lock, though. I really need to find some good lock de-icer/lubricant, before I twist off a key in the lock one of these cold mornings. I'd be up for a winter wonderland ride, as long as we use warm restaurants as waypoints... ;-) Robert -----Original Message----- From: Paul Wilson [mailto:viffermaniac@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 9:59 AM To: Verde, Robert; Fish Flowers; DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Polar bear notes (Was: Just Joined The Forum and have somequestions....) Heh, had this happen to me at last year's MSF instructor update. I was the day before the big President's Day weekend snowstorm. Turns out that crummy coffee that had been sitting all day was good for something. :) A good dousing freed everything up. It had been raining (icing up) and I think the water froze underneath the throttle tube. I'm up for a Polar Bear Run. Paul in DC 95 VFR - 86 VF500F _________________________________________________________________ Rethink your business approach for the new year with the helpful tips here. http://special.msn.com/bcentral/prep04.armx From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 20 11:08:30 2004 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 08:08:26 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Bike painting and the new guy To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I just got my ZX6 painted by Kevin O'Grince in Aden. I realize that having me as a customer isn't exactly a ringing endorsement, but I did get it painted in a glossy color this time. The parts look very good, but I still need to steam clean the rest of the bike before I put the body back on it. Kevin also painted my bed-liner black rally bike. OGrince Body Shop 703-594-2074. He works nights there, he's a high school auto shop teacher by day. Also welcome to the new guy, I organize parking lot rides a few times a year. Those are mostly social events where we get together and kick lies and tell tires in a parking lot while watching Jon do wheelies and other guys ride in slow circles. Circles are fun because Dale on his Concours and I on my Ninja 250 can ride faster than Jon on his Bandit 1200. Leon Ninja 250 rider. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 20 11:19:11 2004 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 11:19:49 -0500 To: "Rob Sharp" , "Verde, Robert" , "Fish Flowers" , "DC-Cycles" From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Polar bear notes (Was: Just Joined The Forum and have some questions....) At 10:27 AM 1/20/04 -0500, Rob Sharp wrote: >How do you identify a DC-Cycle Riders? > >Look for the jackass riding around 495 with his throttle cable and ignition >assembly on fire. Why use painted-on flames when you can have real ones? :^) -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 20 11:48:06 2004 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 08:45:23 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Somebody was having too much fun... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In Southwest Virginia http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=10810001&BRD=1283&PAG=461&dept_id=158544&rfi=6 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 20 11:59:29 2004 Subject: RE: Somebody was having too much fun... Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 11:59:15 -0500 From: "Verde, Robert" To: At least it was a "blue and white" bike, I don't need any more attention from LEO's for riding a red Honda. ;-> Although I don't usually see many other bikes during my commute (besides a couple of die-hard moped riders) I have recently seen a R1/R6 on Rt. 7 near the Trader Joe's, between 495 and I-66. Anyone on list? Robert -----Original Message----- From: Glenn Dysart [mailto:glenn_dysart@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 11:45 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Somebody was having too much fun... In Southwest Virginia http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=10810001&BRD=1283&PAG=461&dept_id=158544&rfi=6 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 20 12:00:38 2004 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 12:00:33 -0500 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: Somebody was having too much fun... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX "The sheriff's vehicles chased him to the bottom of Indian Creek Mountain, sometimes traveling over 100 mph, Kilgore said....It's a traffic infraction. It's not worth risking their lives for, or the lives of the public" cute... ---- Original message ---- >Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 08:45:23 -0800 (PST) >From: Glenn Dysart >Subject: Somebody was having too much fun... >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >In Southwest Virginia > >http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm? newsid=10810001&BRD=1283&PAG=461&dept_id=158544&rfi=6 > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes >http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 20 12:19:23 2004 Subject: RE: Somebody was having too much fun... Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 12:18:55 -0500 From: "Verde, Robert" To: "Dave Yates" , I thought I recalled reading that police in some jurisdictions have officially stopped "high-speed chases." This was quite a while ago, probably when the Dukes of Hazzard was still pulling in the ratings... At the time there had been a couple of high-speed wreecks that killed a number of motorists, and LEO drivers were responsible for at least some of these accidents. Quick search turned up the links below, for those interested. Robert http://www.policedriving.com/aprilnews.htm http://www.fbi.gov/publications/leb/2002/july2002/july02leb.htm#page_15 Alternatives to Pursuit The most effective way to reduce risks is to terminate a pursuit. Clearly, too many pursuits continue that officers obviously should have terminated. Research on pursuit data and statistics show that termination dramatically could reduce traffic accidents, fatalities, and injuries. Police must reevaluate their thinking and mission.29 Agencies rarely can justify endangering the public to pursue a violator. Although many electronic devices still are being evaluated for effectiveness, technology also can decrease pursuit risks. Officers can carry spiked strips (or "stop sticks") in their trunks and deploy them in the path of a fleeing suspect. The strips create a controlled loss of air (not a blowout) from the suspect's tires. Once the violator crosses the strips, the deploying officer quickly pulls them from the roadway to allow pursuing police vehicles to pass. Agencies have begun to use these strips with increasing effectiveness. For example, departments in Cincinnati, Ohio, successfully used them after they sought risk-reduction techniques following a string of pursuit tragedies.30 Similarly, the Ohio State Highway Patrol, the Utah Highway Patrol, and the Pennsylvania State Police also are reporting recent successful use of the spiked strips. Fatalities in Crashes Involving Law Enforcement in Pursuit 1994-1998 Deaths Year 1994 1995 1996 1997 1998 Suspects 283 249 267 194 198 Bystanders 102 127 118 111 114 Officers 3 10 5 1 2 Source: Fatality Analysis Reporting Systems ARF, National -Highway Traffic Safety Administration, Washington, DC, 2000 -----Original Message----- From: Dave Yates [mailto:Dave@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 12:01 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Somebody was having too much fun... "The sheriff's vehicles chased him to the bottom of Indian Creek Mountain, sometimes traveling over 100 mph, Kilgore said....It's a traffic infraction. It's not worth risking their lives for, or the lives of the public" cute... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 20 12:23:46 2004 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 12:23:34 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Somebody was having too much fun... At 11:45 AM 1/20/2004, you wrote: >In Southwest Virginia > >http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=10810001&BRD=1283&PAG=461&dept_id=158544&rfi=6 You Suzuki guys better stay North for a few weeks. Those cops will surely harass every sportbike they spy. I assume, of course, that this was a GSXR. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 20 12:30:26 2004 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 12:30:19 -0500 From: Dave Yates Subject: Watch out for the Library Police To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A26784- 2004Jan18.html I've got a dollar for the 1st LM who proves they were issued a traffic citation on their moto by the Library Police ;-) Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 20 12:33:21 2004 Subject: Re: Somebody was having too much fun... From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: 20 Jan 2004 12:29:46 -0500 On Tue, 2004-01-20 at 12:23, Troutman wrote: > At 11:45 AM 1/20/2004, you wrote: > >In Southwest Virginia > > > >http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=10810001&BRD=1283&PAG=461&dept_id=158544&rfi=6 > > You Suzuki guys better stay North for a few weeks. Those cops will surely > harass every sportbike they spy. > > I assume, of course, that this was a GSXR. > So, what was that painters name again? :-) Carl 02 Harley FXSTI 95 Suzuki GSXR 750W 76 Honda 750 Chopper (project bike) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 20 12:35:15 2004 From: "rich hall" To: mike@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Somebody was having too much fun... Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 12:35:07 -0500 Um, R6, R1 maybe? But yeh, GSXR's in white & blue are common too. >From: Troutman >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Somebody was having too much fun... >Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 12:23:34 -0500 > >At 11:45 AM 1/20/2004, you wrote: >>In Southwest Virginia >> >>http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=10810001&BRD=1283&PAG=461&dept_id=158544&rfi=6 > >You Suzuki guys better stay North for a few weeks. Those cops will surely >harass every sportbike they spy. > >I assume, of course, that this was a GSXR. _________________________________________________________________ Check out the new MSN 9 Dial-up ^[)BM-^W fast & reliable Internet access with prime features! http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=dialup/home&ST=1 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 20 12:37:25 2004 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 12:40:08 -0500 To: Glenn Dysart , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Somebody was having too much fun... At 08:45 AM 1/20/04 -0800, Glenn Dysart wrote: >In Southwest Virginia > >http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=10810001&BRD=1283&PAG=461&dept_id =158544&rfi=6 Any bets on how long it will be before motorcycles (and sports cars, and perhaps all vehicles) are required to have either speed governors or "black boxes" to track location and speed vs. time, with mandatory inspections/uploads on a regular basis (or even roadside data collectors that pick it up as you pass?). Perhaps even a driver's license or biometric scanner so that the driver at the time can be identified too? The technology to end speeding exists. Idiots like that are going to provide the excuse and the motive... -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 20 12:46:49 2004 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 12:46:46 -0500 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: Somebody was having too much fun... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mike B wonders aloud: >Any bets on how long it will be before motorcycles (and >sports cars, and perhaps all vehicles) are required to have >either speed governors or "black boxes" to track location >and speed vs. time, with mandatory inspections/uploads on a >regular basis (or even roadside data collectors >that pick it up as you pass?). [Dave] Just before the government is overthrown, that's when. > Perhaps even a driver's license or biometric scanner so >that the driver at the time can be identified too? > >The technology to end speeding exists. Idiots like that are >going to provide the excuse and the motive... [Dave] It will be futile so long as the facility exists for manual control of a vehicle. Any attempt to legislate this sort of control will just spawn technology development to circumvent it. Virginia would be a case study - I see more radar detectors here than in MD where they're legal :-) Good thing I paid the extra $25 for the Faraday cage lined Shoei, wouldn't want the roadside biometric sniffers to be able to read my thoughts... "... Of COURSE I was speeding officer, the voices TOLD me to. CAN'T YOU HEAR THEM?!" Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 20 12:47:17 2004 From: Jason Picton To: "'Mike Bartman'" , Glenn Dysart , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Somebody was having too much fun... Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 12:46:51 -0500 And as soon as these come out - I am sure someone will create away to get around them.... Jason I Picton jip98@XXXXXX 2001 Yamaha FZ-1 1991 Suzuki GSF400 Bandit 1989 Honda NT650 Hawk GT 1984 Honda XR250R -----Original Message----- From: Mike Bartman [mailto:omni@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 12:40 PM To: Glenn Dysart; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Somebody was having too much fun... At 08:45 AM 1/20/04 -0800, Glenn Dysart wrote: >In Southwest Virginia > >http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=10810001&BRD=1283&PAG=461&dep >t_id =158544&rfi=6 Any bets on how long it will be before motorcycles (and sports cars, and perhaps all vehicles) are required to have either speed governors or "black boxes" to track location and speed vs. time, with mandatory inspections/uploads on a regular basis (or even roadside data collectors that pick it up as you pass?). Perhaps even a driver's license or biometric scanner so that the driver at the time can be identified too? The technology to end speeding exists. Idiots like that are going to provide the excuse and the motive... -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 20 12:49:15 2004 Reply-To: "Jon Strang" From: "Jon Strang" To: Subject: Re: Bike painting and the new guy Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 12:48:20 -0500 Looking forward to the next circle day! --jon "FCB" (Fast Circles Bandit) ----- "Leon Begeman" > Also welcome to the new guy, I organize parking lot > rides a few times a year. Those are mostly social > events where we get together and kick lies and tell > tires in a parking lot while watching Jon do wheelies > and other guys ride in slow circles. Circles are fun > because Dale on his Concours and I on my Ninja 250 can > ride faster than Jon on his Bandit 1200. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 20 13:20:41 2004 Subject: RE: Somebody was having too much fun... Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 13:22:51 -0500 From: "Julian Halton" To: "Jason Picton" , "Mike Bartman" , "Glenn Dysart" , "They" do enough as it is. It boils down to revenue. I just came away from a nice trip to the county treasury. My car tax was $171. The late payment penalty was $88.00. If memory serves..."usury" is a crime. If it ever gets that far, we would all be riding vespas. -----Original Message----- From: Jason Picton [mailto:j_picton@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 12:47 PM To: 'Mike Bartman'; Glenn Dysart; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Somebody was having too much fun... And as soon as these come out - I am sure someone will create away to get around them.... Jason I Picton jip98@XXXXXX 2001 Yamaha FZ-1 1991 Suzuki GSF400 Bandit 1989 Honda NT650 Hawk GT 1984 Honda XR250R -----Original Message----- From: Mike Bartman [mailto:omni@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 12:40 PM To: Glenn Dysart; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Somebody was having too much fun... At 08:45 AM 1/20/04 -0800, Glenn Dysart wrote: >In Southwest Virginia > >http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=10810001&BRD=1283&PAG=461&dep >t_id =158544&rfi=6 Any bets on how long it will be before motorcycles (and sports cars, and perhaps all vehicles) are required to have either speed governors or "black boxes" to track location and speed vs. time, with mandatory inspections/uploads on a regular basis (or even roadside data collectors that pick it up as you pass?). Perhaps even a driver's license or biometric scanner so that the driver at the time can be identified too? The technology to end speeding exists. Idiots like that are going to provide the excuse and the motive... -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 20 13:21:33 2004 From: To: "rich hall" , mike@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: Somebody was having too much fun... Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 13:21:26 -0500 bah. It was most definately a Harley Wide Glide with the stage one jet kit with chrome evo style air filter. > > From: "rich hall" > Date: 2004/01/20 Tue PM 12:35:07 EST > To: mike@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Somebody was having too much fun... > > Um, R6, R1 maybe? But yeh, GSXR's in white & blue are common too. > > >From: Troutman > >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >Subject: Re: Somebody was having too much fun... > >Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 12:23:34 -0500 > > > >At 11:45 AM 1/20/2004, you wrote: > >>In Southwest Virginia > >> > >>http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=10810001&BRD=1283&PAG=461&dept_id=158544&rfi=6 > > > >You Suzuki guys better stay North for a few weeks. Those cops will surely > >harass every sportbike they spy. > > > >I assume, of course, that this was a GSXR. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Check out the new MSN 9 Dial-up ^[)BM-^W fast & reliable Internet access with prime > features! http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=dialup/home&ST=1 > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 20 13:26:59 2004 Subject: RE: Somebody was having too much fun... Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 13:29:07 -0500 From: "Julian Halton" To: "rich hall" , , Doubt it was an r6 as the bike's top speed unmodified is said to be 160 and change. -----Original Message----- From: rich hall [mailto:richallmc@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 12:35 PM To: mike@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Somebody was having too much fun... Um, R6, R1 maybe? But yeh, GSXR's in white & blue are common too. >From: Troutman >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Somebody was having too much fun... >Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 12:23:34 -0500 > >At 11:45 AM 1/20/2004, you wrote: >>In Southwest Virginia >> >>http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=10810001&BRD=1283&PAG=461&de >>pt_id=158544&rfi=6 > >You Suzuki guys better stay North for a few weeks. Those cops will >surely harass every sportbike they spy. > >I assume, of course, that this was a GSXR. _________________________________________________________________ Check out the new MSN 9 Dial-up - fast & reliable Internet access with prime features! http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=dialup/home&ST=1 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 20 13:27:46 2004 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 13:27:36 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Pirelli free front tire offer Forwarded from a friend. Apparently this offer is good with Internet retailers as well : Pirelli Tire North America is proud to introduce the "buy any rear, get a free 120/70ZR17 front" Diablo tire promotion. It's simple, buy any standard rear Diablo tire from your favorite dealer, then mail the original receipt along with the coupon from our website (available 1/15/04) , and we will ship you a free front Diablo tire. Your original receipt must reflect a date from 01/03/04 - 03/31/04 to be eligible. In order to take part in the promotion, please follow all the instructions: * Fill in the Pirelli Diablo Challenge Membership Form, if you haven't already done it. Hit the "send" button before exiting * You will receive a username and password by email and this is needed to get the required coupon. * After you print the coupon follow these steps. * Mail Pirelli (via US Postal Service) the original dealer receipt and completed Pirelli coupon along with the shipping fees to the Pirelli address listed on the coupon. Sorry no email orders to Pirelli for the free front tire will be accepted. The shipping and handling fee is $20.00 and can only be paid by credit card. No orders will be shipped COD or sent to a P.O. box. * Upon receipt of your letter with the correct paperwork and enclosed payment, Pirelli will ship the front tire within 2 to 3 weeks. This offer is open to standard Diablo tires only. Limit one promotion per customer & while supplies last. Diablo Corsa, Supercorsa, or any other Pirelli tire are not part of the promotion. Offer valid in United States only. Thank you. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 20 13:30:44 2004 From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: Somebody was having too much fun... Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 13:30:37 -0500 It's possible the bike was stolen too. It's only a matter of time before all vehicles will be equipped with remote auto shutdown that the police can use so high speed chases will be a thing of the past. Hell, they'll also be able to remotely lock all the doors so the perp won't even be able to escape on foot. I also suspect that GPS's will become standard equipment so even if you *do* get away, they'll just track you down and nab you anyway. Sure, there will always be people who can remove that equipment but the vast majority of people won't. And speaking of theft, I've always been a strong supporter that if anyone steals a bike, they should be beat with baseball bats, publically flogged naked, set on fire, hanged and then chopped up into shark chum. But that's just me. ;-) -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 20 13:36:39 2004 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 13:36:32 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Re: Somebody was having too much fun... At 01:30 PM 1/20/2004, adamme1@XXXXXX wrote: >It's only a matter of time before all vehicles will be equipped with >remote auto shutdown that the police can >use so high speed chases will be a thing of the past. Hell, >they'll also be able to remotely lock all the doors so the >perp won't even be able to escape on foot. One of the local departments is using a bait car with this setup. Guy steals it and gets out on the road, the cops shut down the engine and lock the doors, then start the COPS soundtrack in the tape player. I don't have any problem with this happening to criminals. Don't_run_from_the_police. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 20 13:42:58 2004 From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: Somebody was having too much fun... Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 13:42:52 -0500 > > From: Troutman > Date: 2004/01/20 Tue PM 01:36:32 EST > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Re: Somebody was having too much fun... > > At 01:30 PM 1/20/2004, adamme1@XXXXXX wrote: > >It's only a matter of time before all vehicles will be equipped with > >remote auto shutdown that the police can > >use so high speed chases will be a thing of the past. Hell, > >they'll also be able to remotely lock all the doors so the > >perp won't even be able to escape on foot. > > One of the local departments is using a bait car with this setup. Guy > steals it and gets out on the road, the cops shut down the engine and lock > the doors, then start the COPS soundtrack in the tape player. I don't have > any problem with this happening to criminals. Don't_run_from_the_police. > ..and if you do, for gods sake, wear a shirt. Cops only arrest people who don't wear shirts. 8-P From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 20 13:44:42 2004 Subject: RE: Re: Somebody was having too much fun... Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 13:46:53 -0500 From: "Julian Halton" To: , I recall a book about similar subjects.....I believe the title was "1984" by George Orwell. A little bit of chaos can be a good thing. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 20 13:46:11 2004 From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Pirelli free front tire offer Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 13:46:03 -0500 Are there Diablos for Harleys? Or is that a sticky/soft sportbike type tire? -aki > > From: Troutman > Date: 2004/01/20 Tue PM 01:27:36 EST > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Pirelli free front tire offer > > Forwarded from a friend. Apparently this offer is good with Internet > retailers as well : > > Pirelli Tire North America is proud to introduce the "buy any rear, get a > free 120/70ZR17 front" Diablo tire promotion. It's simple, buy any standard > rear Diablo tire from your favorite dealer, then mail the original receipt > along with the coupon from our website (available 1/15/04) , and we will > ship you a free front Diablo tire. Your original receipt must reflect a > date from 01/03/04 - 03/31/04 to be eligible. > > > > In order to take part in the promotion, please follow all the instructions: > > * Fill in the > Pirelli > Diablo Challenge Membership Form, if you haven't already done it. Hit the > "send" button before exiting > * You will receive a username and password by email and this is needed > to get the required coupon. > * After you print the coupon follow these steps. > * Mail Pirelli (via US Postal Service) the original dealer receipt > and completed Pirelli coupon along with the shipping fees to the Pirelli > address listed on the coupon. Sorry no email orders to Pirelli for the free > front tire will be accepted. The shipping and handling fee is $20.00 and > can only be paid by credit card. No orders will be shipped COD or sent to a > P.O. box. > * Upon receipt of your letter with the correct paperwork and > enclosed payment, Pirelli will ship the front tire within 2 to 3 weeks. > This offer is open to standard Diablo tires only. Limit one promotion > per customer & while supplies last. Diablo Corsa, Supercorsa, or any other > Pirelli tire are not part of the promotion. Offer valid in United States > only. Thank you. > > > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > 1997 Honda VFR 750 > AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ > NMA http://www.motorists.org > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 20 13:52:53 2004 From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Watch out for the Library Police Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 13:52:44 -0500 I don't get it. Are these guys *real* cops from the MPD or some kind of glorified security guards? > > From: Dave Yates > Date: 2004/01/20 Tue PM 12:30:19 EST > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Watch out for the Library Police > > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A26784- > 2004Jan18.html > > I've got a dollar for the 1st LM who proves they were issued > a traffic citation on their moto by the Library Police ;-) > > > Dave Yates > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 20 13:54:59 2004 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 13:54:56 -0500 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: Somebody was having too much fun... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Aki revealed : >And speaking of theft, I've always been a strong supporter >that if anyone steals a bike, they should be beat with >baseball bats, publically flogged naked, set on fire, hanged >and then chopped up into shark chum. [Dave] There's only one problem with that solution. You're assuming shark chum made of cut up bike thief parts would be palatable to sharks. Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 20 13:59:10 2004 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 13:59:07 -0500 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: Watch out for the Library Police To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Aki complains: > >I don't get it. Are these guys *real* cops from the MPD or >some kind of glorified security guards? [Dave] From the article - "it went from a security guard team to a full police force in 1979. " "You with the Tasmanian Devil bookmark! FREEZE !" > > >> >> From: Dave Yates >> Date: 2004/01/20 Tue PM 12:30:19 EST >> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >> Subject: Watch out for the Library Police >> >> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A26784- >> 2004Jan18.html >> >> I've got a dollar for the 1st LM who proves they were issued >> a traffic citation on their moto by the Library Police ;- ) >> >> >> Dave Yates >> >> > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 20 14:11:09 2004 From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: Somebody was having too much fun... Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 14:11:00 -0500 shit, no matter what it's origin is flammable. ;-) > > From: Dave Yates > Date: 2004/01/20 Tue PM 01:54:56 EST > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Somebody was having too much fun... > > Aki revealed : > >And speaking of theft, I've always been a strong supporter > >that if anyone steals a bike, they should be beat with > >baseball bats, publically flogged naked, set on fire, hanged > >and then chopped up into shark chum. > > [Dave] There's only one problem with that solution. You're > assuming shark chum made of cut up bike thief parts would be > palatable to sharks. > Dave Yates > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 20 14:15:11 2004 From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: Watch out for the Library Police Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 14:15:03 -0500 so what does the shooting range consist of? Dummy bad guys hiding behind book shelves holding mousy librarians at bay? High speed foot chases between the fiction and the nonfiction rows? Overdue book hostage negotiation? > > From: Dave Yates > Date: 2004/01/20 Tue PM 01:59:07 EST > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Watch out for the Library Police > > Aki complains: > > > >I don't get it. Are these guys *real* cops from the MPD or > >some kind of glorified security guards? > > [Dave] From the article - "it went from a security guard > team to a full police force in 1979. " > > "You with the Tasmanian Devil bookmark! FREEZE !" > > > > > > > > > >> > >> From: Dave Yates > >> Date: 2004/01/20 Tue PM 12:30:19 EST > >> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >> Subject: Watch out for the Library Police > >> > >> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A26784- > >> 2004Jan18.html > >> > >> I've got a dollar for the 1st LM who proves they were > issued > >> a traffic citation on their moto by the Library Police ;- > ) > >> > >> > >> Dave Yates > >> > >> > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 20 14:46:45 2004 From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Subject: Daytona on the Cheap? Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 14:51:46 -0500 "The Jan-Feb Winding Roads/Motorcycle Times has an article on doing Bike Week on the cheap. Author Jonathan Eubank estimated a $250 budget; three days: Feb 27-March 1. A summary of his article: Fuel: ~$84 at ~35 MPG; $1.50/gal (cheaper than trailering) Road food: ~ $11 (candy bars & joe) Camping: Free: Fireside Bar (grassy area & Port-a-Johns; Shower across the road at truck stop) or $65.40: 3 nights at Bulow RV "free field camping" $21.80 per night. (Www.bulow.com) Large bar, dance floor and bonfire! Local eatery suggestions: Waffle House (Ryder special) & Denny's. Grab a Subway & Gatorade before entering the Speedway (Say Dave, is this a cousin of yours?) Best deal: Sunday morning (8 am) vintage bike tech inspection at the American Motorcycle Institute: Free! Sometime races $15 Saturday night or Sunday afternoon at Volusia Speedway. "If you've stuck to the budget, you'll have $19.90 for gifts . . . last year's Bike Week Tee shirts will be a lot less than this years. . ." Carl in Bethesda Googling "Fireside bar" yielded: Clicking on the 2003 bike week pops up the 2004 page including: "The Official Bike Week Survival Guide" And where to park your trailer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 20 14:49:56 2004 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 14:44:05 -0500 To: Jason Picton , Glenn Dysart , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: RE: Somebody was having too much fun... Probably, but the summary executions should limit the number of people trying that, and certainly will reduce recidivism to zero. :^) Of course, it's a technological arms race. If people can get around that system, another will appear to take its place that is harder to get around. Eventually we will limit speeding only to those smart enough to figure out the solution to avoiding getting caught, and at that point it will end, as those people will be smart enough not to do it in the first place. Ok, not really...there will still be plenty of dumb rich people who will pay good money to one of the smarter folks to help them. That's when I retire. See, it's all a part of the plan... :^) -- Mike B. At 12:46 PM 1/20/04 -0500, Jason Picton wrote: >And as soon as these come out - I am sure someone will create away to get >around them.... > >-----Original Message----- >From: Mike Bartman [mailto:omni@XXXXXX] > >At 08:45 AM 1/20/04 -0800, Glenn Dysart wrote: >>In Southwest Virginia >> >>http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=10810001&BRD=1283&PAG=461&dep >>t_id >=158544&rfi=6 > >Any bets on how long it will be before motorcycles (and sports cars, and >perhaps all vehicles) are required to have either speed governors or "black >boxes" to track location and speed vs. time, with mandatory >inspections/uploads on a regular basis (or even roadside data collectors >that pick it up as you pass?). Perhaps even a driver's license or biometric >scanner so that the driver at the time can be identified too? > >The technology to end speeding exists. Idiots like that are going to >provide the excuse and the motive... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 20 14:50:12 2004 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 14:46:54 -0500 To: Dave Yates , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Somebody was having too much fun... At 12:46 PM 1/20/04 -0500, Dave Yates wrote: >Mike B wonders aloud: > >>Any bets on how long it will be before motorcycles (and >>sports cars, and perhaps all vehicles) are required to have >>either speed governors or "black boxes" to track location >>and speed vs. time, with mandatory inspections/uploads on a >>regular basis (or even roadside data collectors >>that pick it up as you pass?). > >[Dave] Just before the government is overthrown, that's when. I'd like to think so, but since none of my previous predictions about what it would take in terms of loss of rights, dignity and freedom to rile up the American public have come true, I'm beginning to wonder if they have it in them anymore... >Good thing I paid the extra $25 for the Faraday cage lined >Shoei, wouldn't want the roadside biometric sniffers to be >able to read my thoughts... Tinfoil is cheaper... -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 20 14:54:32 2004 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 14:54:29 -0500 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: Somebody was having too much fun... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >I'd like to think so, but since none of my previous >predictions about what it would take in terms of loss of >rights, dignity and freedom to rile up the American public >have come true, I'm beginning to wonder if they have it >in them anymore... [Dave] Hit them in their mommy vans and SUV's and there will be armed revolt :-/ >>Good thing I paid the extra $25 for the Faraday cage lined >>Shoei, wouldn't want the roadside biometric sniffers to be >>able to read my thoughts... >Tinfoil is cheaper... [Dave] and less effective. Hey, for $25 I get to scream at the top of my lungs - "You can't read my thoughts copper!" ...on my way to an acquittal on the grounds of insanity ;-) ok... after a lengthy stay in a padded room. > > >-- Mike B. > >'04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) > >Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes >is better. > Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 20 15:01:20 2004 From: "heraldtribune.com" Subject: News - Motorcyclist struck down while on a good deed To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Reply-To: altaanc@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 15:01:17 -0500 X-Library: Indy 9.00.10 You have been sent this message from Altaan Choudhry as a courtesy of heraldtribune.com. To view the contents on www.heraldtribune.com, go to: http://www.heraldtribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2004401200377 Regards, Altaan Choudhry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 20 15:05:11 2004 Subject: RE: News - Motorcyclist struck down while on a good deed Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 15:05:02 -0500 From: "Verde, Robert" To: Not wearing a helmet, and wearing "flip-flop style shoes" according to the police spokesman. Still alive, in critical care. Bummer, nonetheless. Robert -----Original Message----- From: tips@XXXXXX [mailto:tips@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 3:01 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: News - Motorcyclist struck down while on a good deed You have been sent this message from Altaan Choudhry as a courtesy of heraldtribune.com. To view the contents on www.heraldtribune.com, go to: http://www.heraldtribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2004401200377 Regards, Altaan Choudhry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 20 15:07:01 2004 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 15:06:47 -0500 To: , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Re: Somebody was having too much fun... At 01:30 PM 1/20/04 -0500, adamme1@XXXXXX wrote: > >It's possible the bike was stolen too. > >It's only a matter of time before all vehicles will be equipped with remote auto shutdown that the police can >use so high speed chases will be a thing of the past. We could do that today...but I suspect the potential for criminal use, fatal malfunction, and additional cost (to coordinate the shutdown codes with every police department in the country as well as to equip vehicles and cop cars with the equipment) would be prohibitive...though the device does exist now, and there's a guy trying to sell it in Canada: http://catless.ncl.ac.uk/Risks/20.89.html#subj5 see the "A rather risky device to end high-speed chases" article. They are thinking about it in granolaland too: http://geekpress.com/archive/story/968822918.html It's more likely that that guy in California (HSV Technologies) will perfect his "vehicular stun phaser" device and get it sold to all major police departments...especially the air wings: http://philologos.org/bprdigests/2000/sept/090700.htm >I also suspect that GPS's will become standard equipment so even if you *do* get away, they'll just track you down and >nab you anyway. Ummm...how does a GPS allow anyone to track you? It's not a transmitter, it's a receiver... Sure, you could use a GPS to determine where you are, and then have some *other* system transmit that information, but GPS itself doesn't let anyone track you...it just lets *you* track you. >Sure, there will always be people who can remove that equipment but the vast majority of people won't. Especially if they make the penalty really harsh...a felony equivalent to armed robbery for instance. That way only serious criminals will be able to speed without getting caught, and isn't the purpose of most laws like this to make life easier for criminals? Just like with....gun control? ;^) >And speaking of theft, I've always been a strong supporter >that if anyone steals a bike, they should be beat with baseball bats, publically flogged naked, set on fire, hanged and then chopped up into shark chum. > >But that's just me. ;-) No, I'll go along with that one too. Sounds fair. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 20 15:15:13 2004 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 12:15:10 -0800 (PST) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Re: Just Joined The Forum and have some questions.... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Fish Flowers wrote: > I'm happy to see that it looks like we'll be snow-free for most of this > coming week. What! Better not be. > And the ride will be positively _balmy_ on Thursday, with a > high of around 40. Woo! Oh, you mean _here_. Got it. > > Fish. > Carl - wending my way to Colorado tomorrow ===== 02 Harley FXSTI 95 Suzuki GSXR 750W 76 Honda Chopper (in progress) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 20 15:17:22 2004 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 15:15:59 -0500 To: "Verde, Robert" , From: Mike Bartman Subject: RE: News - Motorcyclist struck down while on a good deed At 03:05 PM 1/20/04 -0500, Verde, Robert wrote: >Not wearing a helmet, and wearing "flip-flop style shoes" according to the police spokesman. Still alive, in critical care. > >Bummer, nonetheless. Yeah, even though it appears to have been his mistake too. We really need to get those helmets with the HUD displays coupled to radar units to track all other vehicles in the vicinity and alert us to potential collision situations...either that or stay more alert while riding. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 20 15:18:18 2004 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 12:18:16 -0800 (PST) From: Carl Schelin Subject: RE: New CBR600RR - (Tapeworks) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Richard Westbrook wrote: > They were pretty easy to apply but as I remember it does take a steady > hand > and some attention to detail. > I've applied glue backed stuff before (used to be a graphic artist). A little spray windex or even just a little water and a damp sponge will get it positioned perfectly. > I was very happy with them. BTW, I have no affiliation with them, just > happy > with their product. Sounds like I may be hunting for some new colors. Thanks everyone. > > Rich > 95 VFR > Carl ===== 02 Harley FXSTI 95 Suzuki GSXR 750W 76 Honda Chopper (in progress) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 20 15:20:07 2004 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 15:22:44 -0500 To: Carl Schelin , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Just Joined The Forum and have some questions.... At 12:15 PM 1/20/04 -0800, Carl Schelin wrote: >Carl - wending my way to Colorado tomorrow Just for a visit this time, right? You aren't moving yet are you? -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 20 15:20:40 2004 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 12:20:37 -0800 (PST) From: Carl Schelin Subject: RE: Polar bear notes To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX And "riding over 495 on 95..." Carl --- "Verde, Robert" wrote: > Actually, that would be "riding over 495 on Rt. 7..." That way the > flames can be seen for the maximum distance, causing a back-up on 495 in > both directions. > > ;-) > > Robert > ===== 02 Harley FXSTI 95 Suzuki GSXR 750W 76 Honda Chopper (in progress) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 20 15:22:01 2004 Subject: RE: Re: Somebody was having too much fun... Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 15:24:12 -0500 From: "Julian Halton" To: "Mike Bartman" , , Why not just sit at home with the door locked? For some people driving a car is the most challenging thing they will ever undertake. I, for one to not agree that the penalty for speeding should be life-affecting, long-term and set in a stone. The guy on his bike, on an empty road, who breaks 100 should not be damned to the ninth circle of hell for his transgression. I suspect that a fair amount of people on this list can be found going above legislated speeds. I am totally against, black-box, tracking, remote shut down devices. Let's give away our liberties piece-meal. I would rather the LEO's of this world concern themselves with stopping the bugs. Yes...that 22 year old crack head with a stolen glock that just shot your wife and daughter and did not even realize what he did. A little unrealistic, fine! Arlington, 3:33AM, Spring 2003. the Meridian corner of Scott and 14th. Pull into the driveway to find a car blocking the exit. Wait patiently for car to move. After two minutes beep horn twice. Window unrolls. Threats, obscenities and come-ons from the doped-out bugs in the car. The one in the passenger seat reaches down and waves a semi-auto in the air. These are the people the law should be worrying about. -----Original Message----- From: Mike Bartman [mailto:omni@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 3:07 PM To: adamme1@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: Somebody was having too much fun... At 01:30 PM 1/20/04 -0500, adamme1@XXXXXX wrote: > >It's possible the bike was stolen too. > >It's only a matter of time before all vehicles will be equipped with remote auto shutdown that the police can >use so high speed chases will be a thing of the past. We could do that today...but I suspect the potential for criminal use, fatal malfunction, and additional cost (to coordinate the shutdown codes with every police department in the country as well as to equip vehicles and cop cars with the equipment) would be prohibitive...though the device does exist now, and there's a guy trying to sell it in Canada: http://catless.ncl.ac.uk/Risks/20.89.html#subj5 see the "A rather risky device to end high-speed chases" article. They are thinking about it in granolaland too: http://geekpress.com/archive/story/968822918.html It's more likely that that guy in California (HSV Technologies) will perfect his "vehicular stun phaser" device and get it sold to all major police departments...especially the air wings: http://philologos.org/bprdigests/2000/sept/090700.htm >I also suspect that GPS's will become standard equipment so even if you *do* get away, they'll just track you down and >nab you anyway. Ummm...how does a GPS allow anyone to track you? It's not a transmitter, it's a receiver... Sure, you could use a GPS to determine where you are, and then have some *other* system transmit that information, but GPS itself doesn't let anyone track you...it just lets *you* track you. >Sure, there will always be people who can remove that equipment but the vast majority of people won't. Especially if they make the penalty really harsh...a felony equivalent to armed robbery for instance. That way only serious criminals will be able to speed without getting caught, and isn't the purpose of most laws like this to make life easier for criminals? Just like with....gun control? ;^) >And speaking of theft, I've always been a strong supporter that if >anyone steals a bike, they should be beat with baseball bats, publically flogged naked, set on fire, hanged and then chopped up into shark chum. > >But that's just me. ;-) No, I'll go along with that one too. Sounds fair. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 20 15:30:32 2004 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 15:30:28 -0500 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: Somebody was having too much fun... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >We could do that today...but I suspect the potential for >criminal use, fatal malfunction, and additional cost (to >coordinate the shutdown codes with every police department >in the country as well as to equip vehicles and cop cars >with the equipment) would be prohibitive...though the device >does exist now, and there's a guy trying to sell it in [Dave] See, it seems like you're suggesting that the cops need this technology. Nothing could be further from the truth... We need to be able to shut down cruisers as citizens to prevent repeat episodes of 'Stupid-non-driving- cop-tricks'. >http://catless.ncl.ac.uk/Risks/20.89.html#subj5 >http://geekpress.com/archive/story/968822918.html > >It's more likely that that guy in California (HSV >Technologies) will perfect his "vehicular stun phaser" >device and get it sold to all major police >departments...especially the air wings: >http://philologos.org/bprdigests/2000/sept/090700.htm [Dave] Time to get the welder ready... I figure a few hard mounts for 30 - 40 mm air cannons ought to be enough... > >Especially if they make the penalty really harsh...a felony >equivalent to armed robbery for instance. That way only >serious criminals will be able to speed without getting >caught, and isn't the purpose of most laws like >this to make life easier for criminals? Just like >with....gun control? ;^) [Dave] Just for the record, when everyone starts b!tching about this thread, let it be known for the record that Bartman was the one who made the gun ref. We need felony speeding laws about as much as we need the Taliban for our central government. Fleeing? well, that does sort of raise the stakes for everyone and there could be a significant risk involved, or, it could be in Montana where it could be that the cruiser is just too wimpy to keep up ;-)... We've got enough trouble with our elected critters being busybodies, we don't need them to make more and more intrusions. Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 20 15:33:22 2004 From: To: Subject: RE: Re: Somebody was having too much fun... Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 15:33:13 -0500 > Why not just sit at home with the door locked? For some people driving a > car is the most challenging thing they will ever undertake. I, for one > to not agree that the penalty for speeding should be life-affecting, > long-term and set in a stone. The guy on his bike, on an empty road, > who breaks 100 should not be damned to the ninth circle of hell for his > transgression. > I would agree except that I've seen more than one occassion where somebody got hit because some idiot thought he owned the road came roaring around the corner and hit a child. They're *public* streets. Consequently, if you drive on them in triple digit speeds and kill someone then you damn well committed murder just as much as if you shot a gun into a crowd IMHO. Go ahead and play Ricky Rice Rocket racer on the roads but if you hit somebody don't whine if they lock you up and throw away the key is all I'm saying. And who determines that the road is empty? The rider? Funny, I don't recall any bikes that have look ahead radar and I doubt deer or other road critters could care less either. Sorry, don't mean to sound off on you, but in my 30 some odd years of riding, I can count on one hand the totally deserted roads I've ridden on and even then, I didn't discover that until *after* I've ridden over them. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 20 15:37:26 2004 From: "Rob Sharp" To: Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Somebody was having too much fun... Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 15:38:34 -0500 Lots of Blue/white YZFR's too.... Of course you meet the nicest and most law abiding people on a red honda :) Rob On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 12:23:34 -0500, Troutman wrote > At 11:45 AM 1/20/2004, you wrote: > >In Southwest Virginia > > > >http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=10810001&BRD=1283&PAG=461&dept_id=158544&rfi=6 > > You Suzuki guys better stay North for a few weeks. Those cops will > surely harass every sportbike they spy. > > I assume, of course, that this was a GSXR. > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > 1997 Honda VFR 750 > AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ > NMA http://www.motorists.org -- Rob Sharp 1996 Honda VFR 750 2003 Chevy S10 Xtreme SSCP/CCSP/CCNA 2.0/CCSA Network Security Engineer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 20 15:45:45 2004 Subject: RE: Re: Somebody was having too much fun... Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 15:47:57 -0500 From: "Julian Halton" To: , A lot of what I wrote is devil's advocacy intended to spark debate. I just think that there needs to be some level of differentiation between speeding around a corner and killing a human being and speeding on a highway when there is no one else present. Here is another thought for the mix..if safety truly is the prime objective than why not limit all vehicles to a top speed of 65 miles per hour when initially manufactured? Legally why is it okay to sell a vehicle that doubles the speed limit and then send the individual that uses the vehicle at it's capacity to a sealed pit. I am all for personal responsibility and accountability but I am going to throw that thought in anyway -----Original Message----- From: adamme1@XXXXXX [mailto:adamme1@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 3:33 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Re: Somebody was having too much fun... > Why not just sit at home with the door locked? For some people driving > a car is the most challenging thing they will ever undertake. I, for > one to not agree that the penalty for speeding should be > life-affecting, long-term and set in a stone. The guy on his bike, on > an empty road, who breaks 100 should not be damned to the ninth circle > of hell for his transgression. > I would agree except that I've seen more than one occassion where somebody got hit because some idiot thought he owned the road came roaring around the corner and hit a child. They're *public* streets. Consequently, if you drive on them in triple digit speeds and kill someone then you damn well committed murder just as much as if you shot a gun into a crowd IMHO. Go ahead and play Ricky Rice Rocket racer on the roads but if you hit somebody don't whine if they lock you up and throw away the key is all I'm saying. And who determines that the road is empty? The rider? Funny, I don't recall any bikes that have look ahead radar and I doubt deer or other road critters could care less either. Sorry, don't mean to sound off on you, but in my 30 some odd years of riding, I can count on one hand the totally deserted roads I've ridden on and even then, I didn't discover that until *after* I've ridden over them. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 20 15:45:46 2004 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 12:45:43 -0800 (PST) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Re: Just Joined The Forum and have some questions.... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Mike Bartman wrote: > At 12:15 PM 1/20/04 -0800, Carl Schelin wrote: > > >Carl - wending my way to Colorado tomorrow > > Just for a visit this time, right? You aren't moving yet are you? > Not moving just yet. I did find a very interesting job with SAIC in Colo Spgs that I've applied to. They have an opening that starts today but needs a secret clearance. It may take a couple of weeks to get that :-) > > -- Mike B. Carl ===== 02 Harley FXSTI 95 Suzuki GSXR 750W 76 Honda Chopper (in progress) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 20 15:53:13 2004 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 12:53:10 -0800 (PST) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Project update To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Not to keep hyping the site but I am very pleased with the progress. I was able to rough mount the front forks to the frame and balance the wheel on the rockers. I think it looks pretty damn good. http://www.geocities.com/dm_gsxr/chopper/index.html Just a couple of more things and it's a rolling chassis :-D Carl ===== 02 Harley FXSTI 95 Suzuki GSXR 750W 76 Honda Chopper (in progress) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 20 15:55:32 2004 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 15:55:48 -0500 To: "Julian Halton" , , From: Mike Bartman Subject: RE: Re: Somebody was having too much fun... At 03:24 PM 1/20/04 -0500, Julian Halton wrote: >Why not just sit at home with the door locked? For some people driving a >car is the most challenging thing they will ever undertake. I, for one >to not agree that the penalty for speeding should be life-affecting, >long-term and set in a stone. Mother nature frequently disagrees with you. Speed limits are there for a reason. Sure, they are often set very conservatively, since they have to be reasonable for everything from an R1 to a loaded semi, but there is a reason for them. If the R1 has to go slower than it is actually capable of, then it is even safer than the semi that is near the limit of its capability at that same speed. Safer is better, consistent with actually getting there (i.e. staying at home with the door locked isn't an option. It isn't all that safe either...most accidents happen in the home. :^) >The guy on his bike, on an empty road, >who breaks 100 should not be damned to the ninth circle of hell for his >transgression. What if the road isn't as empty as he thought? Or doesn't stay that way once he's up to speed? That ball...the kid...the impact... We already lose over 40,000 lives a year on the roads. Most of those due to people disobeying the law, thinking that it shouldn't apply to *them*. They aren't all drunk...many are just speeding. > I suspect that a fair amount of people on this list can be found going >above legislated speeds. Yep. I do a lot of the time, especially on the interstates. I don't speed by much, and I mostly just try to keep to the average speed of the traffic around me on the theory that delta-V is more critical than actual speed, so long as it's within my and my vehicle's capability. I used to try to drive the speed limit, but gave it up as dangerous in this area. If the average speed was the speed limit, I'd be happy to drive that. If you find you have to change lanes a lot to maintain your speed, you are more than likely going too fast. >I am totally against, black-box, tracking, >remote shut down devices. Let's give away our liberties piece-meal. I You think your liberties include breaking the law? Where is this written? I'm not necessarily for those things either, and tend to feel a lot like you do when it comes to government abuse of power, but I don't have a problem with restraining total morons who are very likely going to kill someone if they aren't restrained. I'd also like to reduce the time spent looking for them and chasing them down, so that the police can do it part time, and spend the bulk of their time on the even more dangerous criminals...the predators, rather than the reckless. The above attitude isn't at all uncommon BTW. Consider that before you go lend further weight to any calls to implement the systems you abhor by speeding at a rate that shocks the average motorist. (the "you" there is the general "you", not the individual "you". :^) >Arlington, 3:33AM, Spring 2003. the Meridian corner of Scott and 14th. >Pull into the driveway to find a car blocking the exit. Wait patiently >for car to move. After two minutes beep horn twice. >Window unrolls. Threats, obscenities and come-ons from the doped-out >bugs in the car. The one in the passenger seat reaches down and waves a >semi-auto in the air. These are the people the law should be worrying >about. Well, see if you'd just shot them with your 12 ga., the problem would have been solved for you *and* your neighbors. Since the cops are all out sitting in speed traps, your risk of getting prosecuted is minimal, right? -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 20 15:55:32 2004 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 15:58:13 -0500 To: "Julian Halton" , , From: Mike Bartman Subject: RE: Re: Somebody was having too much fun... At 03:24 PM 1/20/04 -0500, Julian Halton wrote: >bugs in the car. The one in the passenger seat reaches down and waves a >semi-auto in the air. These are the people the law should be worrying >about. Oh, BTW, you *did* call the cops so they could worry about these "bugs"? What they did is illegal already. Help from private citizens is always useful to the police in cleaning up our neighborhoods. Crime isn't "someone else's problem"...it's ours. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 20 15:59:36 2004 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 16:01:19 -0500 To: Dave Yates , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Somebody was having too much fun... At 03:30 PM 1/20/04 -0500, Dave Yates wrote: >>this to make life easier for criminals? Just like >>with....gun control? ;^) > >[Dave] Just for the record, when everyone starts b!tching >about this thread, let it be known for the record that >Bartman was the one who made the gun ref. Yeah, but I did it as a joke and a reverse-psychology way of averting a long thread on the subject. Let's see if it works... >;-)... We've got enough trouble with our elected critters >being busybodies, we don't need them to make more and more >intrusions. Yeah, but so long as it's safer and more profitable to go after the relatively innocent citizen, rather than the more dangerous and costly criminal, they will continue to do so. Stop voting for incumbents! -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 20 16:04:10 2004 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 13:04:07 -0800 (PST) From: Carl Schelin Subject: RE: Re: Somebody was having too much fun... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Mike Bartman wrote: > At 03:24 PM 1/20/04 -0500, Julian Halton wrote: > >Why not just sit at home with the door locked? For some people driving > a > >car is the most challenging thing they will ever undertake. I, for one > >to not agree that the penalty for speeding should be life-affecting, > >long-term and set in a stone. > > Mother nature frequently disagrees with you. > And that tractor with the hay wagon just around the corner of that nice long looping ride won't agree much either. Carl ===== 02 Harley FXSTI 95 Suzuki GSXR 750W 76 Honda Chopper (in progress) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 20 16:06:36 2004 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 16:09:21 -0500 To: "Julian Halton" , , From: Mike Bartman Subject: RE: Re: Somebody was having too much fun... At 03:47 PM 1/20/04 -0500, Julian Halton wrote: >A lot of what I wrote is devil's advocacy intended to spark debate. I >just think that there needs to be some level of differentiation between >speeding around a corner and killing a human being and speeding on a >highway when there is no one else present. There is. The first is manslaughter and the second is reckless driving, or just speeding, depending on how far above the limit you are. The first is likely to get you a lot of jail time, the second may or may not get you jail time but it will get you a big fine and probably some time on foot, and the last will just cost you money. All are wrong, but the degree of wrongness (and severity of the penalty) is tied to the likelihood that you are going to harm someone else (100% in the first case, high in the second, lower in the third). >Here is another thought for the mix..if safety truly is the prime >objective than why not limit all vehicles to a top speed of 65 miles per >hour when initially manufactured? Legally why is it okay to sell a >vehicle that doubles the speed limit and then send the individual that >uses the vehicle at it's capacity to a sealed pit. Because you may or may not be using it on public roads? Don't say that limit thing too loudly though...speed governors are one possibility that could be done really cheaply and easily on today's computer-controlled cars. It's just a software change. I'm sure they'll start with just limiting people with poor driving records, but then they'll come for the rest of us once it's gotten accepted that it's ok to legislate that sort of thing. The criminals, of course, will have black market chips that allow them to chase down their victims easily... **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 20 16:10:56 2004 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 16:11:41 -0500 To: Carl Schelin , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Project update At 12:53 PM 1/20/04 -0800, Carl Schelin wrote: >http://www.geocities.com/dm_gsxr/chopper/index.html > >Just a couple of more things and it's a rolling chassis :-D Whoa! Starting to look like a real bike! Going to get it finished here or in the mountains? -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 20 16:15:48 2004 Subject: RE: Re: Somebody was having too much fun... Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 16:17:59 -0500 From: "Julian Halton" To: "Mike Bartman" , , Your points are very strong and worthy of much thought. A few more to ponder...what about all the people that lack the ability to drive safely at any speed. That woman who cut into my lane and later claimed she never saw my bright red bike, jacket or modulating headlights. Next and this is just a thought why cater to the lowest common denominator. About the speed governors, my point was why then market and sell these high performance engines. Should we all be driving priuses? Anyway good points and thanks for the depth of thought. -----Original Message----- From: Mike Bartman [mailto:omni@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 4:09 PM To: Julian Halton; adamme1@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Re: Somebody was having too much fun... At 03:47 PM 1/20/04 -0500, Julian Halton wrote: >A lot of what I wrote is devil's advocacy intended to spark debate. I >just think that there needs to be some level of differentiation between >speeding around a corner and killing a human being and speeding on a >highway when there is no one else present. There is. The first is manslaughter and the second is reckless driving, or just speeding, depending on how far above the limit you are. The first is likely to get you a lot of jail time, the second may or may not get you jail time but it will get you a big fine and probably some time on foot, and the last will just cost you money. All are wrong, but the degree of wrongness (and severity of the penalty) is tied to the likelihood that you are going to harm someone else (100% in the first case, high in the second, lower in the third). >Here is another thought for the mix..if safety truly is the prime >objective than why not limit all vehicles to a top speed of 65 miles >per hour when initially manufactured? Legally why is it okay to sell a >vehicle that doubles the speed limit and then send the individual that >uses the vehicle at it's capacity to a sealed pit. Because you may or may not be using it on public roads? Don't say that limit thing too loudly though...speed governors are one possibility that could be done really cheaply and easily on today's computer-controlled cars. It's just a software change. I'm sure they'll start with just limiting people with poor driving records, but then they'll come for the rest of us once it's gotten accepted that it's ok to legislate that sort of thing. The criminals, of course, will have black market chips that allow them to chase down their victims easily... ************************************************************************ **** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *----------------------------------------------------------------------- ---* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * ************************************************************************ **** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 20 16:19:37 2004 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 16:36:46 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: RE: Re: Somebody was having too much fun... On Tue, 20 Jan 2004, Mike Bartman wrote: > Because you may or may not be using it on public roads? > > Don't say that limit thing too loudly though...speed governors are one > possibility that could be done really cheaply and easily on today's > computer-controlled cars. It's just a software change. Or a resistor. All motorcycles are limited to 187mph on the top end. An easy limiter to defeat. :-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 20 16:29:59 2004 Subject: RE: Re: Somebody was having too much fun... Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 16:32:10 -0500 From: "Julian Halton" To: "Wayne Edelen" , I thought hayabusa's were made to be 200mph per hour bikes. -----Original Message----- From: Wayne Edelen [mailto:wayne@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 4:37 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Re: Somebody was having too much fun... On Tue, 20 Jan 2004, Mike Bartman wrote: > Because you may or may not be using it on public roads? > > Don't say that limit thing too loudly though...speed governors are one > possibility that could be done really cheaply and easily on today's > computer-controlled cars. It's just a software change. Or a resistor. All motorcycles are limited to 187mph on the top end. An easy limiter to defeat. :-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 20 16:32:31 2004 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 13:32:28 -0800 (PST) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Re: Project update To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Mike Bartman wrote: > At 12:53 PM 1/20/04 -0800, Carl Schelin wrote: > > >http://www.geocities.com/dm_gsxr/chopper/index.html > > > >Just a couple of more things and it's a rolling chassis :-D > > Whoa! Starting to look like a real bike! Going to get it finished here > or in the mountains? I don't think I'll get it done here. I'm hoping to have it rollable before leaving so I'm not lugging a bunch of misc parts across country. If the job on Colorado is ok'd and I have to wait on a secret clearance and my replacement here, I may have enough time to finish. February will see mounting tabs for the forward controls, the oil tank and the fuel tank. I'll have to check with Kevin on ideas for the rear fender/sissy bar and the seat mounting. Of course there are a hundred little things that need to be reviewed and approved before the final paint and build. But you're right. It'll looking better and better :-D > > > -- Mike B. > Carl ===== 02 Harley FXSTI 95 Suzuki GSXR 750W 76 Honda Chopper (in progress) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 20 17:10:04 2004 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 17:09:57 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: "Polar Bear" ride Jan 31st?? OK, folks, you're on. How about a "Polar Bear" ride on the 31st? A nice way to close out this most wintry month. I'm up for it if it's not snowing or below 20 degrees. Details to follow, but this will not be a "winter newbie" ride, if you're not used to riding in the cold. I don't want anyone turning blue. Paul in DC 95 VFR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 20 17:14:06 2004 Subject: RE: "Polar Bear" ride Jan 31st?? Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 17:14:02 -0500 From: "Verde, Robert" To: "Paul Wilson" , I'd be up for that, with the caveats already noted. Meet up at a restaurant, carb-loading in company? Robert -----Original Message----- From: Paul Wilson [mailto:viffermaniac@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 5:10 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: "Polar Bear" ride Jan 31st?? OK, folks, you're on. How about a "Polar Bear" ride on the 31st? A nice way to close out this most wintry month. I'm up for it if it's not snowing or below 20 degrees. Details to follow, but this will not be a "winter newbie" ride, if you're not used to riding in the cold. I don't want anyone turning blue. Paul in DC 95 VFR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 20 17:30:09 2004 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 17:32:57 -0500 To: Wayne Edelen , From: Mike Bartman Subject: RE: Re: Somebody was having too much fun... At 04:36 PM 1/20/04 -0500, Wayne Edelen wrote: >On Tue, 20 Jan 2004, Mike Bartman wrote: >> computer-controlled cars. It's just a software change. > >Or a resistor. > >All motorcycles are limited to 187mph on the top end. An easy limiter to >defeat. :-) "Use a soldering iron, go to jail"? -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 20 17:30:11 2004 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 17:31:42 -0500 To: "Julian Halton" , , From: Mike Bartman Subject: RE: Re: Somebody was having too much fun... At 04:17 PM 1/20/04 -0500, Julian Halton wrote: >Your points are very strong and worthy of much thought. Thanks! ;^) >A few more to >ponder...what about all the people that lack the ability to drive safely >at any speed. They aren't supposed to have drivers licenses to start with, and it's illegal to drive on public roads without one. I think this is a decent requirement, but the enforcement is lacking. >Next and this is just a thought why cater to the lowest common >denominator. Because it's easiest to do? I've suggested alternatives in other forums in the past. Might have here...can't remember. One alternative is the idea of "racing stripes". If your vehicle is capable of higher than average performance (stopping and turning more than accelerating), and you've gotten extra training in handling it and driving safely (like cops are supposed to get), then you get to put markings on your car to show this, and you are allowed to drive a bit above the usual limits. Not necessarily any way you like, but a speed that might get a typical driver a ticket would be legal for you with your better vehicle and demonstrated ability and knowledge about when it's safe to use it. Of course, if you are operating above the average limits, and cause an accident, or even fail to avoid one, you lose your special privileges, and you get hit harder than average with penalties too. Sound reasonable? You can always go to the track, your own or someone else's who will let you, if you want to play fast and hard without endangering the public. >About the speed governors, my point was why then market and >sell these high performance engines. Because there's no limit on acceleration? How fast you get up to the speed limit really isn't important to safety, and there are times when it can actually be safer to be able to accelerate really fast. Top speed isn't as defensible, and with modern car computers (or minor variations on them) we could limit top speed, without limiting power to accelerate up to it. Just ignore additional increased throttle inputs once speed is at max allowed. All it would take to make this mandatory is some political will...some politician with a need for an "issue", and a guess that there are more people who vote who are afraid of hooligans than there are hooligans. Not to branch the thread or anything, but gun owners used to think that their rights were guaranteed by the Constitution and tradition and that they were the good guys. The leftists and panic artists in the press have spent 20 years demonizing them to the point where banning guns is almost a possibility. When I was a kid even suggesting that would have gotten you locked up as a commie spy. The same thing could happen with overpowered bikes and cars, with their riders/drivers commonly seen as lawless hooligans who don't care how many children they run down and kill so long as they can have their mindless fun with their macho toys. (see how easy it is to demonize perfectly nice people who are just a little off the norm in some respect?) Riding and driving aren't even explicitly protected in the Constitution, so there's nothing really to stop laws banning anything they like, so long as there's some political will to do so...and no real opposition. Will the AMA end up portrayed like the NRA is someday? Could very well be. Patterns often repeat. >Should we all be driving priuses? Obviously not, as not all of us will fit into one. Maybe once those hybrid SUVs are out we can talk. :^) >Anyway good points and thanks for the depth of thought. Your's are obviously worth thinking about too, and thanks for staying civil about it. :^) -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 20 17:36:33 2004 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 17:35:52 -0500 To: Paul Wilson , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: "Polar Bear" ride Jan 31st?? At 05:09 PM 1/20/04 -0500, Paul Wilson wrote: >OK, folks, you're on. How about a "Polar Bear" ride on the 31st? A nice way to close out this most wintry month. I'm up for it if it's not snowing or below 20 degrees. And the drivway de-ices before then. The street in front of my house is fine, but the driveway is still covered with ice...I hate pine trees... >Details to follow, but this will not be a "winter newbie" ride, if you're not used to riding in the cold. I don't want anyone turning blue. How about a proposed route? That way people can estimate distance/temp and compare to their gear before deciding to show up or not. :^) -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 20 17:42:08 2004 From: "Rob Sharp" To: Carl Schelin , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Project update Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 17:43:17 -0500 I bet it would be done if Paul Sr. was there to supervise. Rob On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 12:53:10 -0800 (PST), Carl Schelin wrote > Not to keep hyping the site but I am very pleased with the progress. > I was able to rough mount the front forks to the frame and balance > the wheel on the rockers. I think it looks pretty damn good. > > http://www.geocities.com/dm_gsxr/chopper/index.html > > Just a couple of more things and it's a rolling chassis :-D > > Carl > > ===== > 02 Harley FXSTI > 95 Suzuki GSXR 750W > 76 Honda Chopper (in progress) > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes > http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus -- Rob Sharp 1996 Honda VFR 750 2003 Chevy S10 Xtreme SSCP/CCSP/CCNA 2.0/CCSA Network Security Engineer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 20 17:45:42 2004 From: "Sean" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 17:44:54 -0500 Subject: Re: Project update X-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information Now *that* would make for great television... -Sean Rob Sharp wrote: > I bet it would be done if Paul Sr. was there to supervise. > > Rob > > On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 12:53:10 -0800 (PST), Carl Schelin wrote > >>Not to keep hyping the site but I am very pleased with the progress. >>I was able to rough mount the front forks to the frame and balance >>the wheel on the rockers. I think it looks pretty damn good. >> >>http://www.geocities.com/dm_gsxr/chopper/index.html >> >>Just a couple of more things and it's a rolling chassis :-D >> >>Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 20 17:54:22 2004 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 14:54:20 -0800 (PST) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Re: "Polar Bear" ride Jan 31st?? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I'm up for it. I'm out of pocket until next Friday though but count me in anyway. Rita asks "what if it's 50 degrees? will it still be a 'Polar Bear Ride'?" :-) Carl --- Paul Wilson wrote: > OK, folks, you're on. How about a "Polar Bear" ride on the 31st? A > nice way to close out this most wintry month. I'm up for it if it's not > snowing or below 20 degrees. > ===== 02 Harley FXSTI 95 Suzuki GSXR 750W 76 Honda Chopper (in progress) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 20 17:55:19 2004 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 14:55:17 -0800 (PST) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Re: "Polar Bear" ride Jan 31st?? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Mike Bartman wrote: > At 05:09 PM 1/20/04 -0500, Paul Wilson wrote: > >OK, folks, you're on. How about a "Polar Bear" ride on the 31st? A > nice > way to close out this most wintry month. I'm up for it if it's not > snowing > or below 20 degrees. > > And the drivway de-ices before then. The street in front of my house is > fine, but the driveway is still covered with ice...I hate pine trees... > Just put your feet down and slide. That's what I did at 7/11 when it was iced up :-) Carl ===== 02 Harley FXSTI 95 Suzuki GSXR 750W 76 Honda Chopper (in progress) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 20 17:57:05 2004 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 17:56:48 -0500 From: Dale Horstman To: Paul Wilson CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: "Polar Bear" ride Jan 31st?? Paul Wilson wrote: > > OK, folks, you're on. How about a "Polar Bear" ride on the 31st? > A nice way to close out this most wintry month. I'm up for it if > it's not snowing or below 20 degrees. Hey, that would be a nice way to celebrate my birthday! Count me in. :) Hork -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX '98 Concours - BugSlayer Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '99 Concours - Grape Nehi CM #001 NRA IBA COG '82 GS850G - Neat old bike The Mason Dixon 20-20 Endurance Rally: The Games People Play Come join us in 2004: http://www.masondixon20-20.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 20 17:57:13 2004 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 14:57:11 -0800 (PST) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Re: Project update To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Rob Sharp wrote: > I bet it would be done if Paul Sr. was there to supervise. > I'm sure I wouldn't have a bunch of the parts I have now. And there'd be some big chrome doo-dad hanging off of one side or the other. Nah, I think it's coming along nicely. Rita expects it to take three years anyway (that's my project length time; ask about the bathroom remodel ;-) > Rob Carl ===== 02 Harley FXSTI 95 Suzuki GSXR 750W 76 Honda Chopper (in progress) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 20 18:03:11 2004 Subject: RE: Re: Somebody was having too much fun... Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 18:02:59 -0500 From: "Verde, Robert" To: "Mike Bartman" , "Julian Halton" , , You know, I realize what struck me as a little askew about this line of reasoning; I actually don't disagree with it. :-) I ride a mountain bike to work sometimes (been thinking about those Nokian studded tires for it, though) and depending on how my commute goes, some days I could easily be an advocate for limiting/outlawing a wide variety of motorized vehicles. For instance, from a philosophical standpoint, I wouldn't take it amiss if we were to ban all vehicles incapable of getting fifty miles to the gallon. Admittedly, I enjoy riding the (motor)bike, but if I had to, I could give it up. I learned to ride in Illinois, but when travelling through there lately, I shuddered to see people riding motorcycles without a helmet. Civil liberties? Mine are fine, I reserve my worry for the things that really matter, and transportation choice is not one of those. Robert -----Original Message----- From: Mike Bartman [mailto:omni@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 5:32 PM To: Julian Halton; adamme1@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Re: Somebody was having too much fun... Not to branch the thread or anything, but gun owners used to think that their rights were guaranteed by the Constitution and tradition and that they were the good guys. The leftists and panic artists in the press have spent 20 years demonizing them to the point where banning guns is almost a possibility. When I was a kid even suggesting that would have gotten you locked up as a commie spy. The same thing could happen with overpowered bikes and cars, with their riders/drivers commonly seen as lawless hooligans who don't care how many children they run down and kill so long as they can have their mindless fun with their macho toys. (see how easy it is to demonize perfectly nice people who are just a little off the norm in some respect?) Riding and driving aren't even explicitly protected in the Constitution, so there's nothing really to stop laws banning anything they like, so long as there's some political will to do so...and no real opposition. Will the AMA end up portrayed like the NRA is someday? Could very well be. Patterns often repeat. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 20 18:10:38 2004 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 18:10:33 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: Carl Schelin , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: "Polar Bear" ride Jan 31st?? Cripes, if it's 50 degrees, I'll have to stay home. :) Where's the fun in that? In answer to Bartman's question, I'm thinking of riding to Charleston, WV for lunch, then coming back. Via the "scenic route" natch. Hope that's not too short for ya. ;-) I figger a 5AM start will get us back in plenty of time. Seriously, it'll probably just be a jaunt through some of my favorite haunts in Western Mur'lan, with a longish lunch stop. Nice and civilized. Paul in DC 95 VFR "SUV Bait" 86 VF500F "Exxon Valdez" -----Original Message----- From: Carl Schelin Sent: Jan 20, 2004 5:55 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: "Polar Bear" ride Jan 31st?? --- Mike Bartman wrote: > At 05:09 PM 1/20/04 -0500, Paul Wilson wrote: > >OK, folks, you're on. How about a "Polar Bear" ride on the 31st? A > nice > way to close out this most wintry month. I'm up for it if it's not > snowing > or below 20 degrees. > > And the drivway de-ices before then. The street in front of my house is > fine, but the driveway is still covered with ice...I hate pine trees... > Just put your feet down and slide. That's what I did at 7/11 when it was iced up :-) Carl ===== 02 Harley FXSTI 95 Suzuki GSXR 750W 76 Honda Chopper (in progress) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 20 18:16:24 2004 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 15:16:21 -0800 (PST) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Re: "Polar Bear" ride Jan 31st?? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Paul Wilson wrote: > Cripes, if it's 50 degrees, I'll have to stay home. :) Where's the fun > in that? > Weeellll. You just can't call it a "polar bear ride" is all. :-) > In answer to Bartman's question, I'm thinking of riding to Charleston, > WV for lunch, then coming back. Via the "scenic route" natch. Hope > that's not too short for ya. ;-) I figger a 5AM start will get us back > in plenty of time. > 5am. Let me know where to start so I know when to get up :-) > Seriously, it'll probably just be a jaunt through some of my favorite > haunts in Western Mur'lan, with a longish lunch stop. Nice and > civilized. > I'm up (well assuming I don't have a broken [something] from skiing :-) > Paul in DC > 95 VFR "SUV Bait" > 86 VF500F "Exxon Valdez" > Carl ===== 02 Harley FXSTI 95 Suzuki GSXR 750W 76 Honda Chopper (in progress) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 20 18:18:53 2004 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 15:18:50 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: "Polar Bear" ride Jan 31st?? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I'll attend. Is anyone interested in attending a ride that's a bit difficult? The Ramapo Motorcycle Club in New York puts on the Crotona Midnight Run, this year it will be on Feb 21. It starts at Midnight at the Kohl's/Nathan's on Central Park Avenue in Yonkers, NY. Ride for two hours, take a break and ride for another two hours. I plan to trailer up this year and ride the commuter bike. I've got room in the van and trailer for another rider and bike. Leon. Ninja 250 rider. > Paul Wilson wrote: > > > > OK, folks, you're on. How about a "Polar Bear" > ride on the 31st? > > A nice way to close out this most wintry month. > I'm up for it if > > it's not snowing or below 20 degrees. --- Dale Horstman wrote: > Hey, that would be a nice way to celebrate my > birthday! > Count me in. :) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 20 18:56:32 2004 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 19:13:24 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: 200mph? (was Somebody was having too much fun...) On Tue, 20 Jan 2004, Julian Halton wrote: > I thought hayabusa's were made to be 200mph per hour bikes. No factory stock motorcycle has ever reached 200mph. No factory stock motorcycle is capable of reaching 200mph. Even with more HP, the Hayabusa's stock 17/40 gearing wouldn't allow it to reach 200mph with the stock rear tire. With a tailwind, 197mph is possible out of a de-restricted (or '99-00) Hayabusa. The Guinness Book of World Records lists the 1999 Suzuki Hayabusa as the fastest motorcycle ever produced at a verified 194mph. Keith 'Shine' Dennis also proved that the quickest stock motorcycle in the world is the Hayabusa. :-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 20 18:58:48 2004 From: "Dave Yates" To: Subject: Re: Re: Somebody was having too much fun... Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 18:58:29 -0500 X-ELNK-Trace: 956056117932dab21aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec7987e974685e714af66cad7f85b9b079fd350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c > I've suggested alternatives in other forums in the past. Might have > here...can't remember. > > One alternative is the idea of "racing stripes". If your vehicle is > capable of higher than average performance (stopping and turning more than > accelerating), and you've gotten extra training in handling it and driving > safely (like cops are supposed to get), then you get to put markings on > your car to show this, and you are allowed to drive a bit above the usual > limits. Not necessarily any way you like, but a speed that might get a > typical driver a ticket would be legal for you with your better vehicle and > demonstrated ability and knowledge about when it's safe to use it. [Dave] Recent studies - cited by the National Motorists Association for quite some time - have asserted that it is not speed that kills, it's differential speed. If traffic is going manifestly faster or slower than a vehicle or a few vehicles, the odds of an accident as a result are several factors higher. I'm all for more training. I saw the autobahn special on History Modern Marvels, and talked to our German guy in the office. He confirmed that a german driving license takes more training that a racing license here. It's no gimme as well. Licensing certain drivers for higher speed will lead to a resentment situation... Think about how much it pisses you off when you see the MD troopers and PG cops blow by you at 90 on the beltway, just so they can get a few cars ahead. They do make good blockers though ;-) > Of course, if you are operating above the average limits, and cause an > accident, or even fail to avoid one, you lose your special privileges, and > you get hit harder than average with penalties too. Sound reasonable? [Dave] I don't know... How does this sound as an alternative "Equal protection under the law." What do you think ? > > You can always go to the track, your own or someone else's who will let > you, if you want to play fast and hard without endangering the public. > > >About the speed governors, my point was why then market and > >sell these high performance engines. > > Because there's no limit on acceleration? How fast you get up to the speed > limit really isn't important to safety, and there are times when it can > actually be safer to be able to accelerate really fast. [Dave] Alright... I hate to do this but... Bartman started it ;-) You (except you DC guys, because the USC does not apply to you) can buy and own a machine gun, as opposed to say a nice trap shotgun...sort of like the comparison between sports cars and a Prius. However, if you use the machine gun in an improper venue, you will most certainly go to jail. As you will for misusing your clay pigeon buster. You will certainly go to jail longer for abusing a machine gun. > > Top speed isn't as defensible, and with modern car computers (or minor > variations on them) we could limit top speed, without limiting power to > accelerate up to it. Just ignore additional increased throttle inputs once > speed is at max allowed. All it would take to make this mandatory is some > political will...some politician with a need for an "issue", and a guess > that there are more people who vote who are afraid of hooligans than there > are hooligans. > > Not to branch the thread or anything, but gun owners used to think that > their rights were guaranteed by the Constitution and tradition and that > they were the good guys. The leftists and panic artists in the press have > spent 20 years demonizing them to the point where banning guns is almost a > possibility. [Dave] As a point of fact, I cannot allow the assertion that said right is not recognized. see http://www.guncite.com/court/state/ USSC has also ruled quite favorably towards 2AUSC. The miller ruling from 1939 is seriously misquoted in the press. This is not to say there aren't infringements, just that most people are blissfully ignorant of what courts have actually said. > >Should we all be driving priuses? [Dave] Whew. Thank G*d for Pepto Bismol... that question nearly made me hurl. Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 20 19:12:47 2004 From: "Michael Jordan" To: Subject: RE: Just Joined The Forum and have some questions.... Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 19:09:37 -0500 Hi Jeff, Back in the old days, we had pretty frequent rides. Then Collin left, Tom and Jeanette decided that sex was better than motorcycles and got married, a few people got pissed off and never saw them again and the whole thing just sort of fell apart after a year or two. That being said, there is still an occasional group ride, but they tend to be a bit more focused than the old ones. On most rides, route sheets are passed out and/or the leaders wait for the group to reform at road changes where it isn't obvious which way to go. As was said previously, larger rides tend to split into subgroups, either by design or by physics. As far as what you ride, it should have no more than three wheels and not less than one. And a motor of some sort. As someone already said on this thread, it's much more important how you ride. Brisk riding is enjoyed, but there are protocols in group riding that are intended to keep the group safe - if you haven't ridden with a group before, it's a good idea to ask what the protocols are. Some are universal, but others vary from group to group. If you don't ask, it will be assumed that you know, but no one will give you any grief for asking. The main thing is to enjoy the ride and be able to lie about it convincingly after the fact. Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX 1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA NRA Proud member of the "Loudoun Nine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 20 19:15:48 2004 From: "Dave Yates" To: Subject: Re: 200mph? (was Somebody was having too much fun...) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 19:15:31 -0500 X-ELNK-Trace: 956056117932dab21aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec798893922c100695362561947ae0b20880350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c > No factory stock motorcycle has ever reached 200mph. No factory stock > motorcycle is capable of reaching 200mph. Even with more HP, the > Hayabusa's stock 17/40 gearing wouldn't allow it to reach 200mph with the > stock rear tire. [Dave] I think it took Lee Shierts over 200 hp, 17x39 or 38 sprockets to break 200 at the ECTA timing run. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 20 19:21:25 2004 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 19:38:31 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: 200mph? (was Somebody was having too much fun...) On Tue, 20 Jan 2004, Dave Yates wrote: > > No factory stock motorcycle has ever reached 200mph. No factory stock > > motorcycle is capable of reaching 200mph. Even with more HP, the > > Hayabusa's stock 17/40 gearing wouldn't allow it to reach 200mph with the > > stock rear tire. > > [Dave] I think it took Lee Shierts over 200 hp, 17x39 or 38 sprockets to > break 200 > at the ECTA timing run. ECTA runs at Maxton are standing start mile, generally not true 'top speed'. Lee recently went 250mph in the standing start mile at Maxton on Rich Yancy's Turbo Hayabusa. :-) You should come down some time, Dave. You just need to safety wire the bike and have a 1 piece racing suit. I'll be running my bike there this year. My buddy, Bergie, has a bunch of videos from Maxton on his website - www.dontbescaredracing.com -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 20 19:36:48 2004 From: "lisagoddard" To: , , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: Just Joined The Forum and have some questions.... Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 20:05:58 -0500 Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 20:29:34 -0500 We pretty much just argue with each other about various motorcycle and non motorcycle topics. Mostly non motorcycle though. I went on one ride with some DC-cycles guys. They ride pretty fast, but they did stop and wait for me when I got far behind :) The types of bike is about as varied as the opinions of the riders. I have a 1996 Honda VFR 750 (Red). I like in Rockville too, in Kings Farm. So if you see a VFR it could be me (make sure to wave)... Hey fellow Rockville riders: hey, you are not the only red VFR in Rockville, I'm closer to Fallsgrove. Mine's a '95 but that's the same body style. :) As far as the group rides, the best ones I have gone on have been the ones where they split in to fast and slow group. I have lately taken to riding with the Mid Atlantic Ducati club as most of their rides meet up Sat. or Sunday morning at Starbucks in Germantown. Not to far to meet and not to early either. The DC Cycles rides often meet up at 8 in Haymarket, VA and that leaves me to break my rule of not getting up earlier for recreation than I do for work! The Duc club is good about waiting and they have some fairly standard routes with routine stops. Often the fast group will do the longer version of the route, thus allowing us all to meet up for lunch at the same time. The fast group rides crazy fast, I prefer to keep that type of riding on the track. They routinely drag knees on the street. I am too scared of gravel, varmits, deer, and most of all tickets to ride like that on the street. Sometimes I meet up with another group of DC Cycles riders in Glen Echo and we go on 400+ mile jaunts through WV. Gotta love VFR's for such touring. Which body style is your ZX-6? I had a 6D as my last street bike and absolutely loved it. Lisa Goddard www.motorcycleleatherexchange.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 20 19:44:06 2004 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 19:44:30 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Bruce Brownlee Subject: Re: polar bear ride Well hell, if Hork is in, so am I. But I'm not coming out if its over 30. If you havent got electrics, just stay on the porch..... and whats with this "cancelled if under 20?" see above :-) i've had sweat rolling down my face at 15 deg (from being stopped at a light with the jacket turned up full blast) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 20 20:14:47 2004 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 20:17:12 -0500 To: Carl Schelin , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: "Polar Bear" ride Jan 31st?? At 02:55 PM 1/20/04 -0800, Carl Schelin wrote: >--- Mike Bartman wrote: >> And the drivway de-ices before then. The street in front of my house is >> fine, but the driveway is still covered with ice...I hate pine trees... > >Just put your feet down and slide. That's what I did at 7/11 when it was >iced up :-) What? Get a running start inside the garage and just go for it and hope there's no cross traffic when I get there? My dad *was* in the Navy, so I know how a "cat shot" goes, but he was a submariner, not a target sailor. :^) -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 20 20:14:48 2004 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 20:14:31 -0500 To: "Rob Sharp" , Carl Schelin , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Project update At 05:43 PM 1/20/04 -0500, Rob Sharp wrote: >I bet it would be done if Paul Sr. was there to supervise. Yeah, like this: "Get ON it!" "Get it DONE!" "Do I need to come over there with my size 12s?" "Hey, hey! Let's clean this place up! What am I, dealing with a bunch of kindergardeners or somethin'?" "Come over here so I can smack you." Maybe he should write a motivational management guide? -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 20 20:47:51 2004 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 20:49:00 -0500 To: "Michael Jordan" , From: Mike Bartman Subject: RE: Just Joined The Forum and have some questions.... At 07:09 PM 1/20/04 -0500, Michael Jordan wrote: >On most rides, route sheets are passed out and/or the leaders wait for the >group to reform at road changes where it isn't obvious which way to go. Route sheets are good, particularly if you have some way of keeping them where you can see them while riding. The re-form thing can be done with leaders holding the group, but another way is for each person to keep track of the rider behind him/her. If that rider gets separated, you hold at the next turn until they catch up and you can show them which way to go. If *every* rider does this, the group will reform eventually without the leader having to track everyone back to the end. Useful in a really large group where the last rider might not be visible from the front. Of course if anyone in the middle shirks their responsibility, you end up with a lost tail on the group...but it's easy enough to figure out who screwed up...they will be at the end of the group when it stops somewhere...and you can point them out to the lost riders at some future point for "appropriate action" to be taken. :^) >As someone already said on this thread, it's much more important how you >ride. Brisk riding is enjoyed, but there are protocols in group riding that >are intended to keep the group safe - if you haven't ridden with a group >before, it's a good idea to ask what the protocols are. Some are universal, >but others vary from group to group. If you don't ask, it will be assumed >that you know, but no one will give you any grief for asking. If it isn't a group that rides together regularly, the leader should probably go over the protocol before the start. Some folks may *think* they understand it, when they don't really. It's no fun when that person is the leader... :^) Also, anyone new to group riding should ride near the front. I've ridden front, middle and end, and the farther back you are, the harder it is. The "slinky effect" is a major issue, as is the potential for getting split off at intersections, and I've noted that not all signals get back through the whole group all the time. >The main thing is to enjoy the ride and be able to lie about it convincingly >after the fact. Yeah, and a big part of that is rule #1 for group riding: "Ride your own ride!" Letting the rest push (or pull) you into something you aren't ready for is just plain stupid. If you aren't comfortable riding the way the group is riding, just wave bye-bye, pull out and let them go. Continue solo, or with others who feel the same way. Crashing takes *all* the fun out of a group ride, and stressing about maybe crashing is nearly as bad. I learned that on the last group ride I did. Biggish group got split almost immediately. Folks in the lead group didn't wait, or even slow down, so it was 22 miles before we saw them again. Guy who took over as leader of the group I was in was *really* interested in catching up....like 60 in 35 zones on two lane back roads (not the slinky effect either...I was #2). Didn't even bother to signal single file for those stretches, so it was staggered formation the whole way. I had a passenger, and he didn't. I managed, but it wasn't easy, and got a bit tense on a couple of curves where I ended up needing the whole lane, rather than the half I was supposed to be in( right half, luckily)...I'm sure the rider behind me wasn't happy about that. I slowed down a bit after that, and when he noticed that he was losing everyone, he slowed a bit, but not as much as I'd have liked. I thought about pulling out more than once, but it never got past what I thought I could handle, just past what I could handle relaxed. Next time that happens, I'm pulling out and finishing the ride at a more comfortable pace so that I enjoy it, rather than expecting checkered flags at the parking area at the end of the ride. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 20 20:47:56 2004 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 20:30:58 -0500 To: "Dave Yates" , From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Re: Somebody was having too much fun... At 06:58 PM 1/20/04 -0500, Dave Yates wrote: >> Of course, if you are operating above the average limits, and cause an >> accident, or even fail to avoid one, you lose your special privileges, and >> you get hit harder than average with penalties too. Sound reasonable? > >[Dave] I don't know... How does this sound as an alternative "Equal >protection under the law." >What do you think ? I thought that's what I was suggesting. Somehow you read it differently it seems. Might be worth a try someday. If we can figure some way to get the powerful to give up their extra rights and privileges. >USSC has also ruled quite favorably towards 2AUSC. The miller ruling from >1939 is >seriously misquoted in the press. This is not to say there aren't >infringements, just that >most people are blissfully ignorant of what courts have actually said. I'm not one of them, but apparently the legislatures and the lower courts that enforce the un-Constitutional laws we have on the books infringing our rights are. Now, back to motorcycles? I used the gun situation as an analogy to show what could happen with bikes. I have no intention of getting into it as a separate subject here. Off list if you like, but I think we've done that, and found we pretty much agree already though. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 20 21:14:20 2004 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 18:14:16 -0800 (PST) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Re: polar bear ride To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Bruce Brownlee wrote: > Well hell, if Hork is in, so am I. > > But I'm not coming out if its over 30. If you havent got electrics, > just stay on the porch..... > > and whats with this "cancelled if under 20?" see above :-) > What! Cancelled if under 20? Where'd that come from? It'd make the bike choice certain but not cancelled (maybe under 15). > i've had sweat rolling down my face at 15 deg (from being stopped > at a light with the jacket turned up full blast) > Not sweat but opening the shield has a bit of steam rolling out. A quick breath out clears it. I can't wear my sunglasses since they fog up even if the Fog City doesn't :-) Carl ===== 02 Harley FXSTI 95 Suzuki GSXR 750W 76 Honda Chopper (in progress) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 20 21:58:59 2004 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Carl Schelin" , Subject: Re: polar bear ride Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 21:59:21 -0500 OK, under 15, but it's supposed to be fun. :) Wind blast on the VFR's stock screen hits you square in the neck, unless you're vertically challenged. BTW, Gerbings at full tilt at too many traffic lights on a VFR means you will become a pedestrian after too long. Paul in DC 95 VFR - 86 VF500F - www.wilsonline.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl Schelin" > > --- Bruce Brownlee wrote: > > Well hell, if Hork is in, so am I. > > > > But I'm not coming out if its over 30. If you havent got electrics, > > just stay on the porch..... > > > > and whats with this "cancelled if under 20?" see above :-) > > > > What! Cancelled if under 20? Where'd that come from? It'd make the bike > choice certain but not cancelled (maybe under 15). > > > i've had sweat rolling down my face at 15 deg (from being stopped > > at a light with the jacket turned up full blast) > > > > Not sweat but opening the shield has a bit of steam rolling out. A quick > breath out clears it. I can't wear my sunglasses since they fog up even if > the Fog City doesn't :-) > > Carl > > ===== > 02 Harley FXSTI > 95 Suzuki GSXR 750W > 76 Honda Chopper (in progress) > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes > http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 20 22:10:25 2004 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 19:10:21 -0800 (PST) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Re: polar bear ride To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Paul Wilson wrote: > OK, under 15, but it's supposed to be fun. :) Temps under about 25 will force the Harley. I rode the Suzuki in for a quick trip to work without the additional padding in the JR pants and my thighs were prickling after about 20 minutes at speed. Above 25 and I'll be able to choose. If Mike and/or Bill are there I'll probably go with Harley for riding companions. Otherwise I'll probably go with the Suzuki for the curves :-) > Wind blast on the VFR's > stock screen hits you square in the neck, unless you're vertically > challenged. > I am in fact vertically challenged at 6'2" and the wind does hit me in the neck. That's why I use a scarf. It does a pretty good job of blocking the draft under the chin guard (a slight fold) and blocking wind to the neck (tucked into the collar). > BTW, Gerbings at full tilt at too many traffic lights on a VFR means you > will become a pedestrian after too long. > Presuming a full suit? High on my gear works fine on the Harley. I have to do 3/4 on the Suzuki though. > Paul in DC > 95 VFR - 86 VF500F - www.wilsonline.org Carl ===== 02 Harley FXSTI 95 Suzuki GSXR 750W 76 Honda Chopper (in progress) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 20 22:38:28 2004 From: "Mobacc" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Steam Heat Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 22:33:05 -0500 Leon Begeman said heatedly: ...snip but I still need to steam clean the rest of the bike before I put the body back on it. *****Are there risks in steaming clean a *roadready* bike? Have had my eye on a $60 Scuzzi (sp?) steamer for other tasks but am wary for bike use (heat on rubber, water invasion, paint, ???) though the wheels are begging for it. (Not for sub-freezing temps.) Bill S. / DC '99 VN750 > Oh yeah. Spa me. Steam my wheels and rub my tank. Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 20 23:34:40 2004 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 23:34:38 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Fire on Suheil Road 1-20 9pm This evening my trash can caught fire. Fortunately a neighbor (name unknown) came and notified us just as we noticed smoke in the living room. We were able to put out the immediate threat with a fire extinguisher and buckets of water. The Buckhall fire department arrived to remove the siding and tear out burning wallboard. The smoke spread to the basement, but fortunately the fire was contained to the exterior. There was no serious structural damage, no water damage (besides basement and exterior insulation), and only minor smoke throughout the home. We are shaken but not too badly. The fire was started with day old fireplace ashes that were cool to the touch. They had been in the AAA can for about three hours before the blaze erupted. I hate to think what would have happened if we had not been in the room adjacent to the fire origin. In the future I will be using a metal ash can to store the ashes for several weeks before disposing of them. Something we should all consider with the long cold winter ahead. Moto content : my bike was 10 feet from the fire inside the garage. My truck got a little toasty - melting a brake light, but nothing serious. Had the can been inside the garage we would have lost the house. Pictures of the damage are available here : http://www.troutman.org/fire/ _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 21 08:04:40 2004 From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Fire on Suheil Road 1-20 9pm Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 8:04:31 -0500 Damn Mike...glad to hear the damage wasn't *too* extensive and more importantly, no one got hurt. That kind of shit can happen fast...a little too fast. What I do is keep a couple of old metal containers. Like the ones you get get flavored popcorn or potato chips in. A couple of them are usually adequate to hold ashes in and they have a metal lid to make it airtight. After about a week or so, I go ahead and dump them into a regular plastic trashbag and leave it at the curb with the rest of the trash for the mornings pickup. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 21 08:59:54 2004 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 08:59:33 -0500 From: Dale Horstman To: Paul Wilson CC: Carl Schelin , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: polar bear ride Paul Wilson wrote: > BTW, Gerbings at full tilt at too many traffic lights on a VFR means you > will become a pedestrian after too long. Traffic lights? Where exactly are we going for my birthday ride, anyway? :) Hork -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX '98 Concours - BugSlayer Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '99 Concours - Grape Nehi CM #001 NRA IBA COG '82 GS850G - Neat old bike The Mason Dixon 20-20 Endurance Rally: The Games People Play Come join us in 2004: http://www.masondixon20-20.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 21 09:13:41 2004 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 09:13:36 -0500 From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Re: Polar bear notes (Was: Just Joined The Forum and have some questions....) Ouch! Now get some oil into the cable housings so water can't get in there anymore. Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Verde, Robert" Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 09:36:31 -0500 >Found a new way for the cold to affect my bike; the freezing rain apparently got into my throttle assembly somehow, and iced up the throttle cables. Go to twist the wrist, get a fraction of the normal rotation. Felt like driving an underpowered scooter to work... I had hoped the warm engine temps would melt out/off whatever was causing the blockage, but no dice, so I dissasembled the throttle, and poured rubbing alcohol down the cables until it freed up. Did the same to my ignition (waiting until it evaporated to try for a spark... ;-^) which was also full of ice. > >I can't wait for temps to get above freezing again; this constant sub-(Celsius) zero stuff is for the birds. > >Robert > >-----Original Message----- >From: Fish Flowers [mailto:fish@XXXXXX] >Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 8:59 AM >To: DC-Cycles >Subject: Re: Just Joined The Forum and have some questions.... > > >On Mon, 19 Jan 2004, Dave Yates wrote: > >> Maybe the "polar bear" riders among us will organize a cooooooooooooold >> weather ride to acclimate the recent crop of newbies. > >Yeah, that's a great idea! We could tour the most scenic patches of snow >and ice! "Our next waypoint is a particularly nasty stretch of black ice >out on MD-214. Also note the slippery bits in amongst the grooved pavement >on US-301. Stop that shivering, you! This is serious work." > >I'm happy to see that it looks like we'll be snow-free for most of this >coming week. And the ride will be positively _balmy_ on Thursday, with a >high of around 40. Woo! > >Fish. > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 21 09:20:38 2004 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 09:20:00 -0500 From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: To: "DC-Cycles" , "Verde, Robert" Subject: lock de-icer/lubricant I use graphite/oil spray. I forget where I got it, probably a good (old)hardware store, or maybe a gun shop. Graphite is great for locks, and has been used for years. Generally you don't want oil in a lock, so it doesn't glop up with dust. I like the oil for lubrication, anti-corrosion, and keeping water from freezing to things. Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Verde, Robert" Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 10:09:13 -0500 ...I really need to find some good lock de-icer/lubricant, before I twist off a key in the lock one of these cold mornings. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 21 09:27:24 2004 Subject: Track day... Any recommendations for a first timer Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 09:29:38 -0500 From: "Julian Halton" To: "Wayne Edelen" , Where do go in the area? A good coach to walk you through it etc.... -----Original Message----- From: Wayne Edelen [mailto:wayne@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 7:39 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: 200mph? (was Somebody was having too much fun...) On Tue, 20 Jan 2004, Dave Yates wrote: > > No factory stock motorcycle has ever reached 200mph. No factory > > stock motorcycle is capable of reaching 200mph. Even with more HP, > > the Hayabusa's stock 17/40 gearing wouldn't allow it to reach 200mph > > with the stock rear tire. > > [Dave] I think it took Lee Shierts over 200 hp, 17x39 or 38 sprockets > to break 200 at the ECTA timing run. ECTA runs at Maxton are standing start mile, generally not true 'top speed'. Lee recently went 250mph in the standing start mile at Maxton on Rich Yancy's Turbo Hayabusa. :-) You should come down some time, Dave. You just need to safety wire the bike and have a 1 piece racing suit. I'll be running my bike there this year. My buddy, Bergie, has a bunch of videos from Maxton on his website - www.dontbescaredracing.com -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 21 09:31:12 2004 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 09:48:28 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: Track day... Any recommendations for a first timer On Wed, 21 Jan 2004, Julian Halton wrote: > Where do go in the area? A good coach to walk you through it etc.... Huh? -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 21 09:36:50 2004 Subject: RE: Track day... Any recommendations for a first timer Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 09:39:05 -0500 From: "Julian Halton" To: "Wayne Edelen" , Looking for a recommendation on a good track to go for a first timer. Also wondered about the price of having a coach around.etc.. -----Original Message----- From: Wayne Edelen [mailto:wayne@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 9:48 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Track day... Any recommendations for a first timer On Wed, 21 Jan 2004, Julian Halton wrote: > Where do go in the area? A good coach to walk you through it etc.... Huh? -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 21 09:49:04 2004 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 10:06:20 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: RE: Track day... Any recommendations for a first timer On Wed, 21 Jan 2004, Julian Halton wrote: > Looking for a recommendation on a good track to go for a first timer. > Also wondered about the price of having a coach around.etc.. Sorry, didn't see how your post related to mine about land speed racing :-) I've been on track 2x, level 1 and 2, with Keith Code's California Superbike School. It was a great way to get on track for the first time, great instruction (on and off track), excellent organization (very little downtime) and the bikes we used were very well prepped. 2 other guys on this list went with me both times, one of them had an incident with one of the school's bikes, too :-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 21 09:57:25 2004 From: "Shigeru Honda" To: "Julian Halton" , Subject: Re: Track day... Any recommendations for a first timer Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 09:57:00 -0500 Try these, they do lot of track days at Summit Point; http://www.nesba.com/ Controll riders will look after you and give you advise with no additional charge. http://www.teampromotion.com/ With additional charge, you can have a coach with intensive instruction I've never done track days with these guys... so, I don't really know about them http://www.reduc.com/ http://www.sportbiketracktime.com/ http://www.cornerspeed.net/ http://www.nysportbikeclub.com/ After you do one track day, you will be hooked. Just like I did... --------------------- Shigeru Honda 98 SuperHawk (Street) 99 750 SS (Track #881) 02 MZ Skorpion Tour (New Toy) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Julian Halton" To: "Wayne Edelen" ; Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 9:39 AM Subject: RE: Track day... Any recommendations for a first timer > Looking for a recommendation on a good track to go for a first timer. > Also wondered about the price of having a coach around.etc.. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Wayne Edelen [mailto:wayne@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 9:48 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Track day... Any recommendations for a first timer > > On Wed, 21 Jan 2004, Julian Halton wrote: > > > Where do go in the area? A good coach to walk you through it etc.... > > Huh? > > -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 21 10:08:52 2004 Subject: Off topic thread gun control read and reply if interested Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 10:11:05 -0500 From: "Julian Halton" To: "Wayne Edelen" , Off topic thread. I have noticed that gun-control is a frequent mention in the posts here. As someone who has had guns pointed at him in various locales, I am going to throw my two cents in. My thoughts..and let's confine these to handguns - a handgun is not a very good weapon for self-defense - in the hands of someone with little or no training, attempting to use a handgun will most likely make a bad situation worse - using a handgun in a public setting is basically playing blackjack with fate as to whether someone innocent catches a stray round - the level of training needed to effectively carry, operate and use a handgun in a self-defense scenario is very high. I "suspect" the majority of people with handguns lack this training - (let alone the decision-making ability to accurately and legally determine when such use could be justified) I have lived and worked in various areas of the world where access to handguns is very restricted and areas where they are more prevalent than cell phones. In general, in a country like Canada, where getting a firearms acquisition certificate and the necessary authorization to own a handgun is a timely, tedious process that includes having local law interview your neighbors and relatives and mandatory membership in a target-shooting club. In general I "feel" much safer on the streets and in my home. Okay, for a thousand Canadian bucks, a week or two of waiting and a canary call into the ear of the wrong person, a "criminal" could end up with a questionable, unregistered, used handgun and some ammunition. So yes, "bad guys" can still get guns. I do believe that the fact that handguns are less prevalent and more challenging to obtain result in less crime involving firearms. If you check out some of the FBI stats and adjust for population you will still notice a huge divergence. I have not seen Michael Moore's film but heard he attributes this divergence to culture. The "Canadians are nicer theory". Well I have been in a few places that I bet Michael Moore never visited during his trek. Culturally, people watch the same movies, listen to the same music and follow the same styles. At the bus stop you will see kids in the same baggy jeans, oversize wear, boxers showing- aping the inmates of today. In Canada's capital (population 1 million including suburbs) I was fairly certain that most situations where violence was a possibility were limited to violence inflicted by the human body, the occasional sharp object and whatever tools happened to be in the immediate vicinity at the time. I spent twelve years or so in conflict rich environments and when I think of the number of times a handgun was involved the number that comes into my head is three. Please note that this is all due to working in an environment that those seeking to gain advantage by disobeying the law thrived in. In DC, in the past five years I can think of four incidents where handguns were involved and I was not in a conflict rich environment at the time unless the beltway qualifies. - semi-auto brandished and discharged circa 2pm one Saturday outside one of those discount fashion shops in Georgetown (robbery or shake-down) - revolver being loaded as the driver of a white lexus yelled out death threats and other nonsense (the beltway) - that driveway incident I mentioned in Arlington - the last was a shotgun could not determine if it was loaded brandished my an older truck driving gent just before the montgomery road exit of the 270 In DC, every time I have told someone to be quiet in a movie theater, or asked them to stop causing trouble in a nightclub, or having a fit at Target I have to accept that the possibility of handgun violence is a very real one. It seems to me to conclude and oversimplify that the less amount of handguns in a society, the less amount of handgun violence. As for the big G-controlling anything I am certain by now you guys recognize I do not like anyone breathing down my neck. I am curious to read what you debaters have to say. I think if I was maximum leader I would make a training course mandatory, as well as a mental competency evaluation. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 21 10:22:43 2004 From: "Rob Keiser" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Fire on Suheil Road 1-20 9pm Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 10:22:34 -0500 Sorry to hear the news, Mike. Just glad everyone is ok. If there's anything I can do to help, let me know. Rob '98 VFR800 From: Troutman To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Fire on Suheil Road 1-20 9pm Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 23:34:38 -0500 This evening my trash can caught fire. Fortunately a neighbor (name unknown) came and notified us just as we noticed smoke in the living room. We were able to put out the immediate threat with a fire extinguisher and buckets of water. The Buckhall fire department arrived to remove the siding and tear out burning wallboard. The smoke spread to the basement, but fortunately the fire was contained to the exterior. There was no serious structural damage, no water damage (besides basement and exterior insulation), and only minor smoke throughout the home. We are shaken but not too badly. The fire was started with day old fireplace ashes that were cool to the touch. They had been in the AAA can for about three hours before the blaze erupted. I hate to think what would have happened if we had not been in the room adjacent to the fire origin. In the future I will be using a metal ash can to store the ashes for several weeks before disposing of them. Something we should all consider with the long cold winter ahead. Moto content : my bike was 10 feet from the fire inside the garage. My truck got a little toasty - melting a brake light, but nothing serious. Had the can been inside the garage we would have lost the house. Pictures of the damage are available here : http://www.troutman.org/fire/ _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 _________________________________________________________________ High-speed users^[)BM-^Wbe more efficient online with the new MSN Premium Internet Software. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=byoa/prem&ST=1 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 21 10:23:16 2004 From: "Sean" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 10:22:39 -0500 Subject: Re: Off topic thread gun control read and reply if interested X-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information Hmmm. This is fascinating. And completely off topic. If Canadians are not nicer, and per capita they actually own more guns than we do, why *is* Windsor ON CA, basically gun crime free, while across the river, in Detroit MI USA, gun deaths are about as exceptional as squashed bugs on your car windshield? What's the secret sauce? I would suggest it's something in the American character itself. Call it the "John Wayne Swagger". -Sean Julian Halton wrote: > Off topic thread. > > I have noticed that gun-control is a frequent mention in the posts here. > As someone who has had guns pointed at him in various locales, I am > going to throw my two cents in. > > My thoughts..and let's confine these to handguns > > - a handgun is not a very good weapon for self-defense > - in the hands of someone with little or no training, attempting to use > a handgun will most likely make a bad situation worse > - using a handgun in a public setting is basically playing blackjack > with fate as to whether someone innocent catches a stray round > - the level of training needed to effectively carry, operate and use a > handgun in a self-defense scenario is very high. I "suspect" the > majority of people with handguns lack this training > - (let alone the decision-making ability to accurately and legally > determine when such use could be justified) > > > I have lived and worked in various areas of the world where access to > handguns is very restricted and areas where they are more prevalent than > cell phones. In general, in a country like Canada, where getting a > firearms acquisition certificate and the necessary authorization to own > a handgun is a timely, tedious process that includes having local law > interview your neighbors and relatives and mandatory membership in a > target-shooting club. In general I "feel" much safer on the streets and > in my home. Okay, for a thousand Canadian bucks, a week or two of > waiting and a canary call into the ear of the wrong person, a "criminal" > could end up with a questionable, unregistered, used handgun and some > ammunition. > So yes, "bad guys" can still get guns. I do believe that the fact that > handguns are less prevalent and more challenging to obtain result in > less crime involving firearms. If you check out some of the FBI stats > and adjust for population you will still notice a huge divergence. I > have not seen Michael Moore's film but heard he attributes this > divergence to culture. The "Canadians are nicer theory". Well I have > been in a few places that I bet Michael Moore never visited during his > trek. Culturally, people watch the same movies, listen to the same > music and follow the same styles. At the bus stop you will see kids in > the same baggy jeans, oversize wear, boxers showing- aping the inmates > of today. > > > In Canada's capital (population 1 million including suburbs) I was > fairly certain that most situations where violence was a possibility > were limited to violence inflicted by the human body, the occasional > sharp object and whatever tools happened to be in the immediate vicinity > at the time. I spent twelve years or so in conflict rich environments > and when I think of the number of times a handgun was involved the > number that comes into my head is three. Please note that this is all > due to working in an environment that those seeking to gain advantage by > disobeying the law thrived in. > > In DC, in the past five years I can think of four incidents where > handguns were involved and I was not in a conflict rich environment at > the time unless the beltway qualifies. > - semi-auto brandished and discharged circa 2pm one Saturday outside one > of those discount fashion shops in Georgetown (robbery or shake-down) > - revolver being loaded as the driver of a white lexus yelled out death > threats and other nonsense (the beltway) > - that driveway incident I mentioned in Arlington > - the last was a shotgun could not determine if it was loaded brandished > my an older truck driving gent just before the montgomery road exit of > the 270 > > In DC, every time I have told someone to be quiet in a movie theater, or > asked them to stop causing trouble in a nightclub, or having a fit at > Target I have to accept that the possibility of handgun violence is a > very real one. It seems to me to conclude and oversimplify that the less > amount of handguns in a society, the less amount of handgun violence. As > for the big G-controlling anything I am certain by now you guys > recognize I do not like anyone breathing down my neck. I am curious to > read what you debaters have to say. > > I think if I was maximum leader I would make a training course > mandatory, as well as a mental competency evaluation. > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 21 10:25:54 2004 Subject: Moto for sale Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 10:28:09 -0500 From: "Julian Halton" To: A guy walks into my bar (someone I have known for about half a year and says: '98 VFR red 15,000 miles Never been dropped $3,500 For Sale What do you all think? Good price if the bike checks out? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 21 10:32:01 2004 From: "Rob Keiser" To: julian@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Moto for sale Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 10:31:53 -0500 If it checks out, yes, jump on it. We need more VFR's on the list. ;) Rob (biased, of course) '98 VFR800 From: "Julian Halton" To: Subject: Moto for sale Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 10:28:09 -0500 A guy walks into my bar (someone I have known for about half a year and says: '98 VFR red 15,000 miles Never been dropped $3,500 For Sale What do you all think? Good price if the bike checks out? _________________________________________________________________ Let the new MSN Premium Internet Software make the most of your high-speed experience. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=byoa/prem&ST=1 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 21 11:10:47 2004 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 11:11:42 -0500 To: Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Fire on Suheil Road 1-20 9pm At 11:34 PM 1/20/04 -0500, Troutman wrote: >This evening my trash can caught fire. Fortunately a neighbor (name >unknown) came and notified us just as we noticed smoke in the living Yow! Glad you caught it early on and limited damage! >In the future I will be using a >metal ash can to store the ashes for several weeks before disposing of >them. Something we should all consider with the long cold winter ahead. Sounds like a great plan. Only improvement might be to try to get an airtight metal can. I don't use my fireplace all that often, so I tend to just leave the ashes in there until spring... :) -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 21 11:21:38 2004 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 11:22:34 -0500 To: "Julian Halton" , "Wayne Edelen" , From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Off topic thread gun control read and reply if interested At 10:11 AM 1/21/04 -0500, Julian Halton wrote: > >Off topic thread. Since the last time this came up the list admin stated very clearly that only moto content was to be posted here, I won't reply to the specifics of your message here...but I will reply off-list later today. If anyone is interested in being included in that reply, let me know (off list preferably). -- Mike B. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 21 12:55:55 2004 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Off topic thread gun control read and reply if interested Content-ID: <8164.1074707749.1@XXXXXX> Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 12:55:49 -0500 From: Harry Mantakos >I have noticed that gun-control is a frequent mention in the posts here. The only acceptable mention of guns or gun control on the dc-cycles list is a single brief report to the list that you have tracked down and shot some list subscriber who kept trying to discuss guns on the dc-cycles list. -harry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 21 13:34:54 2004 From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Cc: "'DC-_Paul Wilson'" , "'DC-Ed Thyberg'" Subject: "Polar Bear" ride Jan 31st?? Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 13:39:58 -0500 Wilson Proposed: "Seriously, it'll probably just be a jaunt through some of my favorite haunts in Western Mur'lan, with a longish lunch stop. Nice and civilized." Umm, Starting place suggestion for Western MD: Barbara Fritchie "Candy Stick" Restaurant 1513 W. Patrick Street (U.S. Route 40) Frederick, MD 21702 Phone: (301) 662-2500 Hours: 7 a.m. to 10 p.m. Made WAMU's "Crummy but Good" list a year or so ago: It's west of Frederick, close to I70 & 340 (for Virginny folks) Then there's a couple of good spots in Hancock, MD And the Charles Washington Inn in Charles Town, W(BG)V is bike friendly. Carl in Brr-thesda Today's meteorological prognostication for Frederick, MD Fri Jan 30 Snow Shower 33^[)BM-0/23M-0 40 % For Hancock, MD: Fri Jan 30 Snow Shower 31^[)BM-0/21M-0 40 % But "you know" it could change for the better Ed Thyberg: are you the guy who posted about the group that stared Sunday morning rides from Halpine Road in Rockville? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 21 13:46:45 2004 From: "Rob Sharp" To: "Rob Keiser" , julian@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Moto for sale Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 13:47:55 -0500 I paid $4000 for my 96 VFR back in August. Rob On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 10:31:53 -0500, Rob Keiser wrote > If it checks out, yes, jump on it. > > We need more VFR's on the list. ;) > > Rob (biased, of course) > '98 VFR800 > > From: "Julian Halton" > To: > Subject: Moto for sale > Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 10:28:09 -0500 > > A guy walks into my bar (someone I have known for about half a year and > says: > '98 VFR red > 15,000 miles > Never been dropped > $3,500 > For Sale > > What do you all think? Good price if the bike checks out? > > _________________________________________________________________ > Let the new MSN Premium Internet Software make the most of your high- > speed experience. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=byoa/prem&ST=1 -- Rob Sharp 1996 Honda VFR 750 2003 Chevy S10 Xtreme SSCP/CCSP/CCNA 2.0/CCSA Network Security Engineer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 21 19:21:16 2004 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 16:21:04 -0800 (PST) From: Adam Reinhardt Subject: RE: Moto for sale To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Jeez, how many Rob's with VFRs are there on the list? Adam (Suzuki) --- Rob Sharp wrote: > I paid $4000 for my 96 VFR back in August. > > Rob > > > On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 10:31:53 -0500, Rob Keiser wrote > > If it checks out, yes, jump on it. > > > > We need more VFR's on the list. ;) > > > > Rob (biased, of course) > > '98 VFR800 > > > > From: "Julian Halton" > > To: > > Subject: Moto for sale > > Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 10:28:09 -0500 > > > > A guy walks into my bar (someone I have known for > about half a year and > > says: > > '98 VFR red > > 15,000 miles > > Never been dropped > > $3,500 > > For Sale > > > > What do you all think? Good price if the bike > checks out? > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Let the new MSN Premium Internet Software make the > most of your high- > > speed experience. > http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=byoa/prem&ST=1 > > > -- > Rob Sharp > 1996 Honda VFR 750 > 2003 Chevy S10 Xtreme > SSCP/CCSP/CCNA 2.0/CCSA > Network Security Engineer > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 21 20:24:40 2004 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 17:24:36 -0800 (PST) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: "Polar Bear" ride Jan 31st?? On Tue, 20 Jan 2004, Paul Wilson wrote: > Details to follow, but this will not be a "winter newbie" ride, if > you're not used to riding in the cold. I don't want anyone turning > blue. Sure, I'm in, assuming I can keep the bike running until then... Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 21 20:35:03 2004 Cc: From: David Cross Subject: Re: Moto for sale Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 20:34:55 -0500 To: "Julian Halton" Too good. Something is amiss. Motorcycle Consumer News' Spring 2003 Used Bike Value guide lists it at $6370, but in my experience the prices they list are about 20% too high. I found one 98 on cycletrader.com in this area with 56K miles for $4,500. Are you sure its a '98? Dave On Jan 21, 2004, at 10:28 AM, Julian Halton wrote: > > A guy walks into my bar (someone I have known for about half a year and > says: > '98 VFR red > 15,000 miles > Never been dropped > $3,500 > For Sale > > What do you all think? Good price if the bike checks out? > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 21 21:05:39 2004 From: "Rob Sharp" To: Adam Reinhardt , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Moto for sale Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 21:06:48 -0500 Julian If you get a VFR you will need to change your name to Rob. Regards, Rob On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 16:21:04 -0800 (PST), Adam Reinhardt wrote > Jeez, how many Rob's with VFRs are there on the list? > > Adam (Suzuki) > > --- Rob Sharp wrote: > > I paid $4000 for my 96 VFR back in August. > > > > Rob > > > > > > On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 10:31:53 -0500, Rob Keiser wrote > > > If it checks out, yes, jump on it. > > > > > > We need more VFR's on the list. ;) > > > > > > Rob (biased, of course) > > > '98 VFR800 > > > > > > From: "Julian Halton" > > > To: > > > Subject: Moto for sale > > > Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 10:28:09 -0500 > > > > > > A guy walks into my bar (someone I have known for > > about half a year and > > > says: > > > '98 VFR red > > > 15,000 miles > > > Never been dropped > > > $3,500 > > > For Sale > > > > > > What do you all think? Good price if the bike > > checks out? > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Let the new MSN Premium Internet Software make the > > most of your high- > > > speed experience. > > > http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=byoa/prem&ST=1 > > > > > > -- > > Rob Sharp > > 1996 Honda VFR 750 > > 2003 Chevy S10 Xtreme > > SSCP/CCSP/CCNA 2.0/CCSA > > Network Security Engineer > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes > http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus -- Rob Sharp 1996 Honda VFR 750 2003 Chevy S10 Xtreme SSCP/CCSP/CCNA 2.0/CCSA Network Security Engineer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 21 22:43:56 2004 From: "Mobacc" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: NJ goes celly-up Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 22:37:46 -0500 This headline just in (sorry, just the head available). Full stories for all surely soon for the looking. "U.S. CELL PHONE DRIVING BAN EXTENDED TO SECOND STATE -- New Jersey motorists to face fines." I believe NY was first. DC next? Bill S. / DC '99 VN750 > Soon everyone will be perfectly safe? Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 22 01:33:53 2004 Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 01:35:55 -0500 To: "Mobacc" , "DC-Cycles" From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: NJ goes celly-up At 10:37 PM 1/21/04 -0500, Mobacc wrote: >This headline just in (sorry, just the head available). Full stories for >all surely soon for the looking. > >"U.S. CELL PHONE DRIVING BAN EXTENDED TO SECOND STATE -- New Jersey >motorists to face fines." > >I believe NY was first. DC next? I posted a week or so ago about DC's worki on a partial ban. Haven't heard any more about it, but the Mayor said he'd sign it if the council passed it. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 22 07:51:24 2004 Subject: RE: Moto for sale Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 07:50:48 -0500 From: "ROBERSON, Brian" To: Does your name have to begin with "Rob" to be lumped in with VFR ownership? Rob(erson), Brian 99 VFR (freezing cold) -----Original Message----- From: Adam Reinhardt [mailto:ajreinhardt@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 7:21 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Moto for sale Jeez, how many Rob's with VFRs are there on the list? Adam (Suzuki) --- Rob Sharp wrote: > I paid $4000 for my 96 VFR back in August. > > Rob > > > On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 10:31:53 -0500, Rob Keiser wrote > > If it checks out, yes, jump on it. > > > > We need more VFR's on the list. ;) > > > > Rob (biased, of course) > > '98 VFR800 > > > > From: "Julian Halton" > > To: > > Subject: Moto for sale > > Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 10:28:09 -0500 > > > > A guy walks into my bar (someone I have known for > about half a year and > > says: > > '98 VFR red > > 15,000 miles > > Never been dropped > > $3,500 > > For Sale > > > > What do you all think? Good price if the bike > checks out? > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Let the new MSN Premium Internet Software make the > most of your high- > > speed experience. > http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=byoa/prem&ST=1 > > > -- > Rob Sharp > 1996 Honda VFR 750 > 2003 Chevy S10 Xtreme > SSCP/CCSP/CCNA 2.0/CCSA > Network Security Engineer > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 22 08:06:18 2004 Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 08:06:04 -0500 From: Dave Yates Subject: RE: Moto for sale To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Does your name have to begin with "Rob" to be lumped in with >VFR ownership? [Dave] We will have to seek the counsel of the most benevolent and exalted list Carls... Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 22 08:13:08 2004 From: "Rob Sharp" To: "ROBERSON, Brian" , Subject: RE: Moto for sale Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 08:14:19 -0500 Close enough, you can keep your VFR :) Rob On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 07:50:48 -0500, ROBERSON, Brian wrote > Does your name have to begin with "Rob" to be lumped in with VFR > ownership? > > Rob(erson), Brian > 99 VFR (freezing cold) > > -----Original Message----- > From: Adam Reinhardt [mailto:ajreinhardt@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 7:21 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Moto for sale > > Jeez, how many Rob's with VFRs are there on the list? > > Adam (Suzuki) > > --- Rob Sharp wrote: > > I paid $4000 for my 96 VFR back in August. > > > > Rob > > > > > > On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 10:31:53 -0500, Rob Keiser wrote > > > If it checks out, yes, jump on it. > > > > > > We need more VFR's on the list. ;) > > > > > > Rob (biased, of course) > > > '98 VFR800 > > > > > > From: "Julian Halton" > > > To: > > > Subject: Moto for sale > > > Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 10:28:09 -0500 > > > > > > A guy walks into my bar (someone I have known for > > about half a year and > > > says: > > > '98 VFR red > > > 15,000 miles > > > Never been dropped > > > $3,500 > > > For Sale > > > > > > What do you all think? Good price if the bike > > checks out? > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Let the new MSN Premium Internet Software make the > > most of your high- > > > speed experience. > > > http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=byoa/prem&ST=1 > > > > > > -- > > Rob Sharp > > 1996 Honda VFR 750 > > 2003 Chevy S10 Xtreme > > SSCP/CCSP/CCNA 2.0/CCSA > > Network Security Engineer > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes > http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus -- Rob Sharp 1996 Honda VFR 750 2003 Chevy S10 Xtreme SSCP/CCSP/CCNA 2.0/CCSA Network Security Engineer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 22 09:23:18 2004 Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 09:23:12 -0500 To: From: Troutman Subject: RE: Moto for sale God, I hope not. Maybe just RO At 07:50 AM 1/22/2004, ROBERSON, Brian wrote: >Does your name have to begin with "Rob" to be lumped in with VFR >ownership? > >Rob(erson), Brian >99 VFR (freezing cold) ___________________________________________ Mike TROutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 22 09:35:21 2004 Subject: RE: Moto for sale Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 09:35:12 -0500 From: "Verde, Robert" To: "Adam Reinhardt" , Hey, I've got a VF (pre VF"R"), and use my full name... ;-) Rob(ert) -----Original Message----- From: Adam Reinhardt [mailto:ajreinhardt@XXXXXX] Sent: Wed 1/21/2004 7:21 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Subject: RE: Moto for sale Jeez, how many Rob's with VFRs are there on the list? Adam (Suzuki) --- Rob Sharp wrote: > I paid $4000 for my 96 VFR back in August. > > Rob > > > On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 10:31:53 -0500, Rob Keiser wrote > > If it checks out, yes, jump on it. > > > > We need more VFR's on the list. ;) > > > > Rob (biased, of course) > > '98 VFR800 > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 22 11:03:02 2004 From: "ALTAAN CHOUDHRY" To: Subject: Pictures Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 11:02:54 -0500 Just got back from India. Beautiful country. Want to go back gain. Never seen so many women riding scooters and motorcycles. Have some pictures of indian built motorcycles. Anybody have any space where I can upload them to? E-mail me altaanc@XXXXXX Thanks Altaan (No Bike) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 22 12:19:04 2004 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Pictures Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 12:07:01 -0500 Friend who rides also just got back from India. Said there were tons of bikes, think he said most if not all were 125cc and smaller. Said he'd see 5 people on 1 bike. No helmets, sandals. >From: "ALTAAN CHOUDHRY" >To: >Subject: Pictures >Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 11:02:54 -0500 > >Just got back from India. Beautiful country. Want to go back gain. >Never seen so many women riding scooters and motorcycles. >Have some pictures of indian built motorcycles. >Anybody have any space where I can upload them to? > >E-mail me altaanc@XXXXXX > >Thanks >Altaan >(No Bike) > _________________________________________________________________ Check out the new MSN 9 Dial-up ^[)BM-^W fast & reliable Internet access with prime features! http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=dialup/home&ST=1 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 22 12:26:33 2004 From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Accident on the Dulles Toll Road This Morning Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 12:26:26 -0500 What a mess...we were stuck in traffic for over an hour. http://www.wtop.com/index.php?sid=162966&nid=25 anyone else got stuck in this? -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 22 12:30:26 2004 Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 09:30:06 -0800 (PST) From: Ryan Santoso Subject: RE: Pictures To: rich hall , dc-cycles@XXXXXX > 5 people on 1 bike. No helmets, sandals.< Stuntin' Squids..... __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 22 14:12:52 2004 From: "Paul Hutchins" To: Subject: VFRs and Ro(bs) [was Re: Moto for sale] Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 14:01:18 -0500 I'm bucking the system. My name is 'Paul' and I have the bestest VFR (when it comes to color anyway)... :-P ----- Original Message ----- From: "Verde, Robert" To: "Adam Reinhardt" ; Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 9:35 AM Subject: RE: Moto for sale > Hey, I've got a VF (pre VF"R"), and use my full name... > > ;-) *snipped* From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 22 14:32:36 2004 Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 14:32:16 -0500 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: phutchins2@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: VFRs and Ro(bs) [was Re: Moto for sale] X-AOL-IP: 12.36.128.140 I'm bucking the system too. My name is "Scooter" (aka Scott) and I have a.....oh wait....I have an R6. Sorry, false alarm. Mine's better anyway. :-) Scooter In a message dated 1/22/2004 2:01:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, phutchins2@XXXXXX writes: > > > I'm bucking the system. My name is 'Paul' and I have the bestest VFR (when > it comes to color anyway)... :-P > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Verde, Robert" > To: "Adam Reinhardt" ; > > Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 9:35 AM > Subject: RE: Moto for sale > > > > Hey, I've got a VF (pre VF"R"), and use my full name... > > > > ;-) > > *snipped* From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 22 14:38:55 2004 Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 14:38:37 -0500 (EST) From: "Daniel H. Brown" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: VFRs and Ro(bs) [was Re: Moto for sale] On Thu, 22 Jan 2004, Paul Hutchins wrote: > Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 14:01:18 -0500 > From: Paul Hutchins > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: VFRs and Ro(bs) [was Re: Moto for sale] > > I'm bucking the system. My name is 'Paul' and I have the bestest VFR (when > it comes to color anyway)... :-P You have a black VFR too? -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 22 14:40:13 2004 Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 14:40:09 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: Paul Hutchins , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: VFRs and Ro(bs) [was Re: Moto for sale] There are plenty of Pauls with VFRs too. Here's something VFR-owning Pauls and Robs might find interesting. VFR cop bikes. http://www5a.biglobe.ne.jp/~airroute/saitama/001.html Paul in DC 95 VFR - 86 VF500F -----Original Message----- From: Paul Hutchins I'm bucking the system. My name is 'Paul' and I have the bestest VFR (when it comes to color anyway)... :-P ----- Original Message ----- From: "Verde, Robert" > Hey, I've got a VF (pre VF"R"), and use my full name... > > ;-) *snipped* From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 22 14:48:28 2004 From: Michael Lynch To: "'Paul Wilson'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: VFRs and Ro(bs) [was Re: Moto for sale] Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 14:49:33 -0500 Look at those bars! Mike - couple of us around too 98 XR400 96 VFR 76 CB400F > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Wilson [SMTP:viffermaniac@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 2:40 PM > To: Paul Hutchins; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: VFRs and Ro(bs) [was Re: Moto for sale] > > There are plenty of Pauls with VFRs too. > > Here's something VFR-owning Pauls and Robs might find interesting. VFR > cop bikes. > > http://www5a.biglobe.ne.jp/~airroute/saitama/001.html > > > Paul in DC > 95 VFR - 86 VF500F > > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Hutchins > > I'm bucking the system. My name is 'Paul' and I have the bestest VFR > (when > it comes to color anyway)... :-P > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Verde, Robert" > > > Hey, I've got a VF (pre VF"R"), and use my full name... > > > > ;-) > > *snipped* > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 22 14:59:03 2004 Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 11:58:55 -0800 (PST) From: superbeard69 Subject: Re: Accident on the Dulles Toll Road This Morning To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cagers! sheesh!! paul pasadena md 80cb750k --- adamme1@XXXXXX wrote: > > What a mess...we were stuck in traffic for over an > hour. > > http://www.wtop.com/index.php?sid=162966&nid=25 > > > anyone else got stuck in this? > > -aki > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 22 15:00:22 2004 From: Kendall Grant Clark Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 14:59:54 -0500 To: dc-cycles Subject: moto trailer rental? Reply-To: kendall@XXXXXX Folks, I'm buying a bike from Hermy's in Port Clinton PA (a Sport Triple Special Edition -- comparing the S3 to the Yammie FZ1 at the moto show convinced me), and I'd like to avoid paying the $450 shipping fee to get it to my apt in downtown DC. I have a friend with a truck, so if I can find a motorcycle trailer, I can drive up, buy it, and drive it back myself. But, being new to the area, I have no idea where to rent a motorcycle trailer from in DC/VA/MD, and googling was no help. Any ideas? Thanks, Kendall Clark From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 22 15:24:46 2004 Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 15:24:31 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: moto trailer rental? Why not tie it down in the truck? Just borrow a set of ramps. At 02:59 PM 1/22/2004, you wrote: >I have a friend with a truck, so if I can find a motorcycle trailer, I can >drive up, buy it, and drive it back myself. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org Support Legislation requiring Voter-Verified Paper Trail for 2004 Elections http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/348035553 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 22 15:28:01 2004 From: "Rob Keiser" To: kendall@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: moto trailer rental? Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 15:27:52 -0500 Is riding it down not an option? Rob '98 VFR800 From: Kendall Grant Clark Reply-To: kendall@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles Subject: moto trailer rental? Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 14:59:54 -0500 Folks, I'm buying a bike from Hermy's in Port Clinton PA (a Sport Triple Special Edition -- comparing the S3 to the Yammie FZ1 at the moto show convinced me), and I'd like to avoid paying the $450 shipping fee to get it to my apt in downtown DC. I have a friend with a truck, so if I can find a motorcycle trailer, I can drive up, buy it, and drive it back myself. But, being new to the area, I have no idea where to rent a motorcycle trailer from in DC/VA/MD, and googling was no help. Any ideas? Thanks, Kendall Clark _________________________________________________________________ Learn how to choose, serve, and enjoy wine at Wine @ MSN. http://wine.msn.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 22 15:33:30 2004 From: "Rob Keiser" To: viffermaniac@XXXXXX, phutchins2@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: VFRs and Ro(bs) [was Re: Moto for sale] Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 15:22:01 -0500 Holy crap. Good thing the Red ones are faster! ;) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: Paul Hutchins , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: VFRs and Ro(bs) [was Re: Moto for sale] Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 14:40:09 -0500 (GMT-05:00) There are plenty of Pauls with VFRs too. Here's something VFR-owning Pauls and Robs might find interesting. VFR cop bikes. http://www5a.biglobe.ne.jp/~airroute/saitama/001.html Paul in DC 95 VFR - 86 VF500F -----Original Message----- From: Paul Hutchins I'm bucking the system. My name is 'Paul' and I have the bestest VFR (when it comes to color anyway)... :-P ----- Original Message ----- From: "Verde, Robert" > Hey, I've got a VF (pre VF"R"), and use my full name... > > ;-) *snipped* _________________________________________________________________ High-speed users^[)BM-^Wbe more efficient online with the new MSN Premium Internet Software. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=byoa/prem&ST=1 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 22 15:36:48 2004 Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 15:36:25 -0500 From: Dale Horstman To: Michael Lynch CC: "'Paul Wilson'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: VFRs and Ro(bs) [was Re: Moto for sale] Michael Lynch wrote: > > Look at those bars! > > > http://www5a.biglobe.ne.jp/~airroute/saitama/001.html Very cool! Hork -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX '98 Concours - BugSlayer Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '99 Concours - Grape Nehi CM #001 NRA IBA COG '82 GS850G - Neat old bike The Mason Dixon 20-20 Endurance Rally: The Games People Play Come join us in 2004: http://www.masondixon20-20.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 22 15:44:12 2004 From: Sunil Doshi Subject: Re: moto trailer rental? Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 15:44:01 -0500 To: dc-cycles Though I haven't rented one from them, I know U-Haul rents trailers for $14.95: http://www.uhaul.com/trailers/motorcycle/ On Jan 22, 2004, at 2:59 PM, Kendall Grant Clark wrote: > Folks, > > I'm buying a bike from Hermy's in Port Clinton PA (a Sport Triple > Special > Edition -- comparing the S3 to the Yammie FZ1 at the moto show > convinced > me), and I'd like to avoid paying the $450 shipping fee to get it to my > apt in downtown DC. > > I have a friend with a truck, so if I can find a motorcycle trailer, I > can > drive up, buy it, and drive it back myself. > > But, being new to the area, I have no idea where to rent a motorcycle > trailer from in DC/VA/MD, and googling was no help. > > Any ideas? > > Thanks, > Kendall Clark > > sunil :: proteus / changing your shape for the future sunil doshi, senior interface designer tel [202.452.6800 x101] [202.452.6866] fax http://proteus.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 22 15:53:49 2004 From: "Rob Sharp" To: Paul Wilson , Paul Hutchins , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: VFRs and Ro(bs) [was Re: Moto for sale] Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 15:55:00 -0500 All those guys are named Rob too ? Man what are the chanaces...:-D Rob On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 14:40:09 -0500 (GMT-05:00), Paul Wilson wrote > There are plenty of Pauls with VFRs too. > > Here's something VFR-owning Pauls and Robs might find interesting. > VFR cop bikes. > > http://www5a.biglobe.ne.jp/~airroute/saitama/001.html > > Paul in DC > 95 VFR - 86 VF500F > > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Hutchins > > I'm bucking the system. My name is 'Paul' and I have the bestest > VFR (when it comes to color anyway)... :-P > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Verde, Robert" > > > Hey, I've got a VF (pre VF"R"), and use my full name... > > > > ;-) > > *snipped* -- Rob Sharp 1996 Honda VFR 750 2003 Chevy S10 Xtreme SSCP/CCSP/CCNA 2.0/CCSA Network Security Engineer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 22 16:19:52 2004 Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 13:18:57 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: Accident on the Dulles Toll Road This Morning To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I wish the powers would quit worrying about cell phones so much and instead aggressively pull over and cite as many vehicles as they can for failing to maintain a min 2sec interval. You could be going 55 in a 55 I don't care. Automatic $50 fine. ===== * A successful marriage isn't finding the right person; it's being the right person. * To forgive is to set the prisoner free and then discover the prisoner was you. * Liberalism always generates the exact opposite of its stated intent. - Jim Quinn (WRRK) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 22 16:31:56 2004 Subject: RE: VFRs and Ro(bs) [was Re: Moto for sale] Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 16:31:46 -0500 From: "Verde, Robert" To: "Dale Horstman" , "Michael Lynch" Cc: "Paul Wilson" , If you look closely at the picture, you can spot that they are the rarest VFR model, the VFR1200... Must be a Police Special? Nice! Robert -----Original Message----- From: Dale Horstman [mailto:horkster@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 3:36 PM To: Michael Lynch Cc: 'Paul Wilson'; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: VFRs and Ro(bs) [was Re: Moto for sale] Michael Lynch wrote: > > Look at those bars! > > > http://www5a.biglobe.ne.jp/~airroute/saitama/001.html Very cool! Hork -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX '98 Concours - BugSlayer Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '99 Concours - Grape Nehi CM #001 NRA IBA COG '82 GS850G - Neat old bike The Mason Dixon 20-20 Endurance Rally: The Games People Play Come join us in 2004: http://www.masondixon20-20.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 22 16:46:38 2004 From: Jason Picton To: "'Sunil Doshi'" , dc-cycles Subject: RE: moto trailer rental? Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 16:46:28 -0500 Yeah - as long as you don't have a ford explorer that is..... Jason I. Picton, Senior Systems Administrator MCSE (NT 4.0 & 2000), MCP+I, MCP, American Chemical Society (www.acs.org) 1155 16th Street NW - Washington DC 20036 Phone: 202-452-2117 Fax: 202-872-4519 Email: j_picton@XXXXXX -----Original Message----- From: Sunil Doshi [mailto:sdoshi@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 3:44 PM To: dc-cycles Subject: Re: moto trailer rental? Though I haven't rented one from them, I know U-Haul rents trailers for $14.95: http://www.uhaul.com/trailers/motorcycle/ On Jan 22, 2004, at 2:59 PM, Kendall Grant Clark wrote: > Folks, > > I'm buying a bike from Hermy's in Port Clinton PA (a Sport Triple > Special > Edition -- comparing the S3 to the Yammie FZ1 at the moto show > convinced > me), and I'd like to avoid paying the $450 shipping fee to get it to my > apt in downtown DC. > > I have a friend with a truck, so if I can find a motorcycle trailer, I > can > drive up, buy it, and drive it back myself. > > But, being new to the area, I have no idea where to rent a motorcycle > trailer from in DC/VA/MD, and googling was no help. > > Any ideas? > > Thanks, > Kendall Clark > > sunil :: proteus / changing your shape for the future sunil doshi, senior interface designer tel [202.452.6800 x101] [202.452.6866] fax http://proteus.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 22 16:50:01 2004 Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 13:49:10 -0800 (PST) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: "Verde, Robert" , Dale Horstman , Michael Lynch Subject: RE: VFRs and Ro(bs) [was Re: Moto for sale] Cc: Paul Wilson , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Huh? The caption clearly says "VFR800P." The next photo shows a Suzuki GSF1200 police model. Gotta dig the crash bars. Quite a difference from the usual Hoggley-Doggley fest here in the USofA. I'd prolly crap my knickers if I saw that in my mirrors. Paul in DC 95 VFR -----Original Message----- From: "Verde, Robert" If you look closely at the picture, you can spot that they are the rarest VFR model, the VFR1200... Must be a Police Special? Nice! Robert -----Original Message----- From: Dale Horstman [mailto:horkster@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 3:36 PM To: Michael Lynch Cc: 'Paul Wilson'; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: VFRs and Ro(bs) [was Re: Moto for sale] Michael Lynch wrote: > > Look at those bars! > > > http://www5a.biglobe.ne.jp/~airroute/saitama/001.html Very cool! Hork -- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 22 16:50:51 2004 Subject: RE: VFRs and Ro(bs) [was Re: Moto for sale] - Oops! Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 16:50:35 -0500 From: "Verde, Robert" To: "matthew patton" , Sorry! Looking closer at the picture, I see that the bike I was referring to also has Suzuki on the tank... D'oh! Robert -----Original Message----- From: matthew patton [mailto:pattonme@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 4:42 PM To: Verde, Robert Subject: RE: VFRs and Ro(bs) [was Re: Moto for sale] --- "Verde, Robert" wrote: > If you look closely at the picture, you can spot that they are the > rarest VFR model, the VFR1200... Must be a Police Special? huh? the caption clearly says 800P. ===== * A successful marriage isn't finding the right person; it's being the right person. * To forgive is to set the prisoner free and then discover the prisoner was you. * Liberalism always generates the exact opposite of its stated intent. - Jim Quinn (WRRK) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 22 17:05:32 2004 Subject: RE: Pictures Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 17:05:22 -0500 From: "Verde, Robert" To: "ALTAAN CHOUDHRY" , I spent a couple of weeks in Calcutta, quite the experience. Second the comments about a lot of riders, and multiple people on one bike. Most bikes I saw were the Indian version of the Enfield Bullet, not sure what it's called, as well as a lot of scooters. Gas is pretty spendy, so small/high mpg rides were the preferred choice. Robert -----Original Message----- From: ALTAAN CHOUDHRY [mailto:altaanc@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 11:03 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Pictures Just got back from India. Beautiful country. Want to go back gain. Never seen so many women riding scooters and motorcycles. Have some pictures of indian built motorcycles. Anybody have any space where I can upload them to? E-mail me altaanc@XXXXXX Thanks Altaan (No Bike) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 22 17:12:43 2004 Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 17:11:55 -0500 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: robkeiser@XXXXXX, kendall@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: moto trailer rental? X-AOL-IP: 12.36.128.140 Short of Rob's suggestion, try U-Haul. I believe the rent m/c trailers. Scooter In a message dated 1/22/2004 3:27:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, robkeiser@XXXXXX writes: > > > Is riding it down not an option? > > Rob > '98 VFR800 > > > From: Kendall Grant Clark > Reply-To: kendall@XXXXXX > To: dc-cycles > Subject: moto trailer rental? > Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 14:59:54 -0500 > > Folks, > > I'm buying a bike from Hermy's in Port Clinton PA (a Sport Triple Special > Edition -- comparing the S3 to the Yammie FZ1 at the moto show convinced > me), and I'd like to avoid paying the $450 shipping fee to get it to my > apt in downtown DC. > > I have a friend with a truck, so if I can find a motorcycle trailer, I can > drive up, buy it, and drive it back myself. > > But, being new to the area, I have no idea where to rent a motorcycle > trailer from in DC/VA/MD, and googling was no help. > > Any ideas? > > Thanks, > Kendall Clark From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 22 17:17:12 2004 Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 17:17:02 -0500 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: moto trailer rental? X-AOL-IP: 12.36.128.140 Better yet. I'll drive up with you and ride it back down if you like. :-) After all, you do live right across the street from me. ;-) Scooter In a message dated 1/22/2004 5:11:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, ScooterFZR writes: > > > Short of Rob's suggestion, try U-Haul. I believe the rent m/c trailers. > > Scooter > > In a message dated 1/22/2004 3:27:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, robkeiser@XXXXXX writes: > > > > > > > Is riding it down not an option? > > > > Rob > > '98 VFR800 > > > > > > From: Kendall Grant Clark > > Reply-To: kendall@XXXXXX > > To: dc-cycles > > Subject: moto trailer rental? > > Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 14:59:54 -0500 > > > > Folks, > > > > I'm buying a bike from Hermy's in Port Clinton PA (a Sport Triple Special > > Edition -- comparing the S3 to the Yammie FZ1 at the moto show convinced > > me), and I'd like to avoid paying the $450 shipping fee to get it to my > > apt in downtown DC. > > > > I have a friend with a truck, so if I can find a motorcycle trailer, I can > > drive up, buy it, and drive it back myself. > > > > But, being new to the area, I have no idea where to rent > a motorcycle > > trailer from in DC/VA/MD, and googling was no help. > > > > Any ideas? > > > > Thanks, > > Kendall Clark From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 22 17:39:23 2004 To: DC Cycles From: Sunil Doshi Subject: 100 Days! Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 17:39:20 -0500 Janklow gets 100 days in jail and 3 years probation (no driving)... http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/01/22/janklow.sentencing.ap/index.html sunil :: proteus / changing your shape for the future sunil doshi, senior interface designer tel [202.452.6800 x101] [202.452.6866] fax http://proteus.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 22 17:45:12 2004 From: "Sean" To: "Sunil Doshi" CC: "DC Cycles" Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 17:44:43 -0500 Subject: Re: 100 Days! X-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information This is disgusting. I am just stunned. -Sean Sunil Doshi wrote: > Janklow gets 100 days in jail and 3 years probation (no driving)... > > http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/01/22/janklow.sentencing.ap/index.html > > sunil > > :: proteus / changing your shape for the future > sunil doshi, senior interface designer > tel [202.452.6800 x101] [202.452.6866] fax > http://proteus.com > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 22 18:08:37 2004 From: "Paul Hutchins" To: "Daniel H. Brown" , Subject: Re: VFRs and Ro(bs) [was Re: Moto for sale] Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 18:08:28 -0500 >Dan wrote: "You have a black VFR too?" Nope. I have the faster model. :-D The wheels (and swingarm) are black though... -Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel H. Brown" To: Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 2:38 PM Subject: Re: VFRs and Ro(bs) [was Re: Moto for sale] > On Thu, 22 Jan 2004, Paul Hutchins wrote: > > > Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 14:01:18 -0500 > > From: Paul Hutchins > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: VFRs and Ro(bs) [was Re: Moto for sale] > > > > I'm bucking the system. My name is 'Paul' and I have the bestest VFR (when > > it comes to color anyway)... :-P > > You have a black VFR too? > *snip* From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 22 18:09:56 2004 From: David Cross Subject: Re: VFRs and Ro(bs) [was Re: Moto for sale] Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 18:09:46 -0500 To: dccycles If those are the cops what do the ROBbers ride? I'm here all week. dave On Jan 22, 2004, at 3:55 PM, Rob Sharp wrote: > All those guys are named Rob too ? Man what are the chanaces...:-D > > Rob > > On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 14:40:09 -0500 (GMT-05:00), Paul Wilson wrote >> There are plenty of Pauls with VFRs too. >> >> Here's something VFR-owning Pauls and Robs might find interesting. >> VFR cop bikes. >> >> http://www5a.biglobe.ne.jp/~airroute/saitama/001.html >> >> Paul in DC >> 95 VFR - 86 VF500F >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Paul Hutchins >> >> I'm bucking the system. My name is 'Paul' and I have the bestest >> VFR (when it comes to color anyway)... :-P >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Verde, Robert" >> >>> Hey, I've got a VF (pre VF"R"), and use my full name... >>> >>> ;-) >> >> *snipped* > > > -- > Rob Sharp > 1996 Honda VFR 750 > 2003 Chevy S10 Xtreme > SSCP/CCSP/CCNA 2.0/CCSA > Network Security Engineer > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 22 18:18:52 2004 From: "Dave Yates" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: 100 Days! Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 18:18:08 -0500 X-ELNK-Trace: 956056117932dab21aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79d6c8de758a0e51c4cf9840b31e3b57cb350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c So now we know exactly what a life is worth in the Dakotas. I sure hope nobody cries when somebody T-bones Janklow killing him... For 100 days, people will be lining up... Ridiculous. > This is disgusting. I am just stunned. > > -Sean > > Sunil Doshi wrote: > > Janklow gets 100 days in jail and 3 years probation (no driving)... > > > > http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/01/22/janklow.sentencing.ap/index.html > > > > sunil > > > > :: proteus / changing your shape for the future > > sunil doshi, senior interface designer > > tel [202.452.6800 x101] [202.452.6866] fax > > http://proteus.com > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 22 18:31:16 2004 Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 15:31:11 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: 100 Days! To: DC Cycles If I remember correctly, a teenager in Md recently killed a motorcyclist and wasn't even charged. I'm sure a search of the web will find lots of other places where the punishment was significantly less than 100 days. At least he now has a felony conviction. That's a lot more than many others get. Yes, it's a light sentence, but at least it is a conviction with jail time. Leon Ninja 250 rider. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 22 19:00:29 2004 Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 18:58:56 -0500 To: kendall@XXXXXX, dc-cycles From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: moto trailer rental? At 02:59 PM 1/22/04 -0500, Kendall Grant Clark wrote: >But, being new to the area, I have no idea where to rent a motorcycle >trailer from in DC/VA/MD, and googling was no help. I hear some of the U-Haul places may have them from time to time. Frederick H-D sells Kendal trailers and may rent them too...don't know, you could ask. Wasn't there someone on the list a week or so ago who was advertising a trailer for sale? Even if you don't want to buy it, they may be willing to rent it to you for your trip if it hasn't sold yet. -- Mike B. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 22 19:05:48 2004 Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 19:07:54 -0500 To: "Dave Yates" , "DC Cycles" From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: 100 Days! At 06:18 PM 1/22/04 -0500, Dave Yates wrote: > >So now we know exactly what a life is worth in the Dakotas. I sure hope >nobody cries when somebody T-bones Janklow killing him... >For 100 days, people will be lining up... It may cost the state plenty...there's been some talk on usenet of moving the Sturgis rally to a neighboring state in protest, and of boycotting it if it doesn't move. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 22 19:05:50 2004 Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 19:06:24 -0500 To: Sunil Doshi , DC Cycles From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: 100 Days! At 05:39 PM 1/22/04 -0500, Sunil Doshi wrote: >Janklow gets 100 days in jail and 3 years probation (no driving)... > >http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/01/22/janklow.sentencing.ap/index.html We can only hope that the civil courts actually exact a penalty from him for his killing of a fellow rider. 3 months jail time? With only 30 days of it actually in jail, the rest allowing him 10 hours a day to go do "community service" (most likely give speeches, not clean public restrooms or something useful like that). Deplorable. We can only hope he dies before he's allowed to kill again with a vehicle... -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 22 22:33:28 2004 Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 22:33:26 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: llarson@XXXXXX Subject: Be careful out there... Hello, everyone. My wife and I have just returned from three and a half weeks touring France, with the last week in Paris (where she was born) to celebrate her 50th birthday on January 15th. Had a great time driving around in a new Renault Laguna with a 1.9L diesel engine, my first extended experience (3200 km) with a diesel -- not much acceleration, but gobs of low end torque and great fuel efficiency. We saw, as usual, too many bikes to count. Lots of models of bikes and scooters (like the Yamaha competitors to the Honda Silver Wing) not available here, and moto shops with body accessories and such to make you want to cry for the droppings we get. I was really surprised at how many of the BMW C-1s, including fancy "executive" model with huge trunk and built-in lower body chap-type warmers, there were on the road. I was going to chime in belatedly with congrats to Chuck on his 600RR, until I got to work today and heard that my riding buddy Chris, who many of you have met at bike nights, etc., and who bought his black '03 600RR about six months ago to replace his 50k mile '98 Superhawk, lunched his bike on the way home last night. About 5pm, he headed past Pentagon City, and was looping through the Pentagon complex to the 395 HOV ramp, when he accelerated from a traffic light with cars ahead and behind, began the right hand turn -- and woke up on a back board in an ambulance on his way to GW hospital. He has no idea what happened. Fortunately, he has only a separated left shoulder (from a right-hand turn -- high-sided on ice or gravel? hit from behind?) and a bruised left hip. Cat scan was negative. Cop said Chris was standing over his bike when he arrived -- Chris has no memory of this. The bike is being trucked to MFI tomorrow for evaluation. He's got a three-inch wide scrape on his Teknic leather jacket (over an Aerostich heated vest), no damage to his wet weather pants over kevlar jeans. His helmet has scratches all over, but no particular impact mark anywhere. It looks like his best hope for finding out what happened is to get the Arlington police report, hope there were witnesses, and that one of them saw what happened before he went down -- whether the rear tire slid, or what. Any suggestion for what else he could look for? Ride carefully out there in this cold, guys. *Especially* when it's dark or getting dark. -- Larry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 23 07:08:20 2004 Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 07:08:11 -0500 (EST) From: jdonovan@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Subject: for sale Garmin GPS-176 color I have a Garmin GPS-176c (color) I'm going to be parting with soon. I'd prefer to sell locally rather than evil-bay. I've been using it on the bike, and the large color screen is a big help there. The 'package' is: GPS176c ram-mount ac/pc adapter (powers the unit, and allows PC connection) needed for programming > 32MB memory cards. Metro Guide CD's version 3.0 64 MB memory card I have a few other DC hardwire, and cigarette lighter adapters I'll throw into the package. I have not taken a super close look at the unit, but I know the display is free of any scratches, and the case probably has some minor scratches. Current replacement cost on the unit & accessories, is about $850. I'll sell the whole deal for $500 I also have a roads and recreation map disk that I'll sell if someone wants to add it to the package. Its got most of the same roads as metro guide, but with out POI (point of interest) so the maps take A LOT less space. Most counties are 150-500K vs. 1-3MB for metro guide. The unit works very well, the display is highly readable even in sunlight. I've just not been using it much, and have other hobbies that are asking to be fed. -JD From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 23 07:16:53 2004 Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 07:16:47 -0500 (EST) From: jdonovan@XXXXXX To: Mike Bartman cc: Paul Wilson , Subject: Re: "Polar Bear" ride Jan 31st?? On Tue, 20 Jan 2004, Mike Bartman wrote: > And the drivway de-ices before then. The street in front of my house is > fine, but the driveway is still covered with ice...I hate pine trees... think chain-saw.... =) I had similar problems last winter, but me and Mr. Stihl had a conversation with the trees last fall, and fall they did... massive pruning, and 6 trees dropped, 4 more still to come down. Then the driveway will de-ice much quicker, and I might stand a chance of being able to grow some grass this year, rather than have a rocky slope for a front yard. -JD From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 23 07:28:46 2004 Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 04:28:37 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: 100 Days! To: DC Cycles --- Mike Bartman wrote: > At 05:39 PM 1/22/04 -0500, Sunil Doshi wrote: > >Janklow gets 100 days in jail and 3 years probation (no > driving)... > > > >http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/01/22/janklow.sentencing.ap/index.html > > We can only hope that the civil courts actually exact a > penalty from him > for his killing of a fellow rider. 3 months jail time? > With only 30 days > of it actually in jail, the rest allowing him 10 hours a > day to go do > "community service" (most likely give speeches, not clean > public restrooms > or something useful like that). Deplorable. We can only > hope he dies > before he's allowed to kill again with a vehicle... 100 days for that cream puff will be hell. who is going to want to hear him give a speech? i agree with leon -- the penalty could easily have been less severe. -- tg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 23 11:12:46 2004 Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 11:14:59 -0500 To: llarson@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Be careful out there... At 10:33 PM 1/22/04 -0500, llarson@XXXXXX wrote: >anywhere. It looks like his best hope for finding out what happened is to >get the Arlington police report, hope there were witnesses, and that one of >them saw what happened before he went down -- whether the rear tire slid, >or what. Any suggestion for what else he could look for? Sucks that this happened, but it's great that the injuries were comparatively minor. The bike can, obviously, be fixed or replaced. Sucks that it's necessary, but at least it's possible. I'd look at the rear of the bike for foreign paint. If he got hit from behind that hard, the offending vehicle may have left some somewhere. Also, the pattern of bike tumbling might be apparent from the damage type and location, and if there's any rear impact damage that doesn't fit the pattern, that might be a hint too. It does seem more likely that it was ice though. I went for a ride about 4:30 last night. Just 20 miles or so, but enough to warm the bike up and get out for a bit. It was 34 when I got home about 6:30 pm, and there was ice still in my driveway (though the bike handled it well coming back in...I picked a way mostly around it on the way out, but rode over it on the way in, with my feet down just in case. Didn't lean, brake or accelerate (much) on it, and it wasn't a problem). If there was any water on the road in a shady area it was probably frozen. The police report might have noted that if there was any around...they'd be looking for an easy explanation too. :^) >Ride carefully out there in this cold, guys. *Especially* when it's dark or >getting dark. Very true. I came home the same route I went out, and I was careful to look at the other lane on the way out to see if there was any ice while there was still good light. There wasn't any, or even wet spots, so I was pretty confident coming home...but I still looked anyway. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 23 11:20:42 2004 Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 11:21:15 -0500 To: jdonovan@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: "Polar Bear" ride Jan 31st?? Cc: Paul Wilson , At 07:16 AM 1/23/04 -0500, jdonovan@XXXXXX wrote: >On Tue, 20 Jan 2004, Mike Bartman wrote: > > >> And the drivway de-ices before then. The street in front of my house is >> fine, but the driveway is still covered with ice...I hate pine trees... > >think chain-saw.... =) I have! :^) I think I'll move though. The house doesn't suit my current needs very well anyway. For selling, the trees are good...they make the place look nice...so they can stay. I'll let the new owner decide whether to keep them around. >I had similar problems last winter, but me and Mr. Stihl had a >conversation with the trees last fall, and fall they did... massive pruning, >and 6 trees dropped, 4 more still to come down. Then the driveway will >de-ice much quicker, and I might stand a chance of being able to grow some >grass this year, rather than have a rocky slope for a front yard. Sounds good. I much prefer Solar Snow Removal, Inc. to shoveling. The trees I've got do provide a fair bit of home-grown mulch for the gardens though. I hear some people actually pay for pine straw... :^) They aren't bad to have, just bad to have next to a driveway ("next to" in this case is about 30' on the sun side...they are getting pretty tall and wide). They shade the driveway (good in summer, bad in winter...deciduous would be better for that), but they also drip sap and rain pine needles on the Jeep, which happily sucks them into the vent system...move or saw is right! -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 23 12:14:25 2004 From: Jason Picton To: "'Tom Gimer'" , DC Cycles Subject: RE: 100 Days! Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 12:14:18 -0500 There is some good in this Per the article, Scott's daughter Brandee told KELO-TV of Sioux Falls she didn't feel she should comment because of a wrongful death lawsuit the family filed against Janklow this week, but she said she was satisfied with the sentence. While the sentence sucks - he got a guilty conviction - So hopefully the wrongful case suit will take everything the F*cker has...... Jason From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 23 12:29:05 2004 From: Kendall Grant Clark Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 12:28:39 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: trailer ideas Reply-To: kendall@XXXXXX Folks, Thanks for all the suggestions, ideas, and generous offers. I suspect I will just rent a trailer, as the easiest thing to do, and I appreciate all the input. Kendall Clark From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 23 12:29:27 2004 From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Cc: "'altaanc@XXXXXX'" , "'richallmc@XXXXXX'" Subject: Pictures Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 12:34:30 -0500 Altaan Claimed " Just got back from India. Beautiful country. . . .Never seen so many women riding scooters and motorcycles. . . ." Hall Responded, "Friend who rides also just got back from India. Said there were tons of bikes, think he said most if not all were 125cc and smaller. Said he'd see 5 people on 1 bike. No helmets, sandals." Aye, and you don't have to go that far to see a remarkable moto-culture. Caught a few shots over Xmas in the Republica Dominicana (East side of Hispanola): O Family of four out on Xmas day O Couple on a bike with the wife carrying a big LPG tank; O Two guys on a bike with one carrying a washing machine (O.K. it was just an apartment-sized washer). Missed many good shots such as four young women on a bike, spiffed up and wearing high heels. four young men out "cruising". Oh, and these workhorses were the mighty 100 CC Yamaha (pronounced Ya-ma'-ha) or 100 CC Hondas. Many 50 CC scooters too. Not just along the beach but also up in the mountains (4000 feet). All two smokes (cough-cough). Leon would feel at home. Saw only five "big bikes" two wings, two dual sports, and a R-1. All parked. Spain also has a thriving moto-culture. Plus, better roads, bigger bikes, and less crowded. Carl n Brr-thesda (Wore Hawaiian shirt today "Fight the cold" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 23 18:52:00 2004 From: "Michael Jordan" To: , "'DC-Cycles'" Subject: RE: for sale Garmin GPS-176 color Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 18:51:30 -0500 It's a great unit. I've been using one for about 2 years now. I disagree a bit on the readability of the color screen - had a color one - now using a mono one. Much better in daylight. But the color was absolutely GORGEOUS at night. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jan 25 17:58:22 2004 Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 18:14:42 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Looking for track bike Well I sold my street/strip racecar yesterday, so there is room in my garage for a track bike :-) My 'Busa is my pimpin' cruiser and drag bike, so now I need something for track days that I can ball up and not cry about ;-) I'd like to keep it cheap (for the aforementioned reason ;-) but something with good suspension components, brakes and handling. Power isn't as important, as I know my track riding is at the novice level and too much power would likely just get me in trouble. :-) Paint/bodywork isn't an issue, as I'm sure it will get hurt eventually anyway. If anyone knows of bikes for sale or can offer suggestions on bikes to look for, I'd appreciate it. I was thinking like mid-late 90s 600cc supersports, but would be interested in any capable rides. I think I want to keep it registered for street duty, but that is not a requirement. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jan 25 19:00:57 2004 Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 19:00:52 -0500 Subject: Re: Looking for track bike From: Stephen Miller To: Isn't Chuck Pena selling the exact bike you're looking for? on 1/25/04 614, Wayne Edelen at wayne@XXXXXX wrote: > Well I sold my street/strip racecar yesterday, so there is room in my > garage for a track bike :-) My 'Busa is my pimpin' cruiser and drag > bike, so now I need something for track days that I can ball up and not > cry about ;-) > > I'd like to keep it cheap (for the aforementioned reason ;-) but something > with good suspension components, brakes and handling. Power isn't as > important, as I know my track riding is at the novice level and too much > power would likely just get me in trouble. :-) > > Paint/bodywork isn't an issue, as I'm sure it will get hurt eventually > anyway. > > If anyone knows of bikes for sale or can offer suggestions on bikes to > look for, I'd appreciate it. I was thinking like mid-late 90s 600cc > supersports, but would be interested in any capable rides. > > I think I want to keep it registered for street duty, but that is not a > requirement. > > -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jan 25 21:19:35 2004 Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 21:19:29 -0500 Subject: First ride--new rig From: Bob McKeithen To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Went out today for my first ride on my new sidecar rig. What a hoot ! I had read that experienced solo bike riders often have difficulty adjusting to the fact that the steering is opposite from what they are used to. I didn't have much of a problem with that. The feedback is so different that it was just not a problem. I had imagined that I would have problems adjusting to the width. That did not happen either. The only small problem is that I thought the steering felt "twitchy" and overly sensitive. After I relaxed the "death grip" the bars all went better. So, now I set for the snow event. We had about eight inches out this way on Friday night. Seriously, before I do much snow riding I have got get a rear tire with a bit more bite. Bob From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 26 09:46:19 2004 Reply-To: "Jon Strang" From: "Jon Strang" To: Subject: Rode in today Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 09:46:28 -0500 NOT! --jon From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 26 09:58:43 2004 Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 09:58:39 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: Jon Strang , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Rode in today Yup. If the side streets were in better condition when I left the house, I would have considered it. Add to that the forebodings of more varied precip. throughout the day, and that put me onto public transportation. Metro + bus took an hour. Paul in DC 95 VFR - 86 VF500F (needs knobbies) -----Original Message----- From: Jon Strang Sent: Jan 26, 2004 9:46 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Rode in today NOT! --jon From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 26 10:28:08 2004 Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 07:28:02 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Rode in today To: Jon Strang , dc-cycles@XXXXXX But I did! I hit 55 on the HOV lanes, they were clear all the way across. Leon Ninja 250 rider. --- Jon Strang wrote: > NOT! > > --jon > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 26 10:32:20 2004 From: "Dave Yates" To: Subject: Re: Rode in today Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 10:32:04 -0500 X-ELNK-Trace: 956056117932dab21aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec7905945563311eeed58e1aeebe7755c5e5350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c Paul teased us with: > Yup. If the side streets were in better condition when I left the house, I would have considered it. Add to that the forebodings of more >varied precip. throughout the day, and that put me onto public transportation. Metro + bus took an hour. [Dave] I walked in... to my home office ;-) which just happens to be in very close proximity to my home entertainment center. It took me... 15 seconds? Maybe 20. All that wasted time & effort to find out the office had closed... Last year must have generated a lot of death threats to the company big whigs when they refused to close despite the weather. Unfortunately, my wife was not as lucky. As a contractor, she's subject to the whims of people desparately trying to kiss the @ss of the government by insisting that everyone be there bright eyed and bushy tailed no matter what the cost. Hopefully she'll get fed up with these guys fast. I sure hope the called for freezing rain bypasses us... Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 26 11:03:27 2004 Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 11:02:59 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX To: Wayne Edelen , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Looking for track bike Wayne, When I posted about my new CBR600RR, I also noted that my FZR600 track bike with lights is now for sale. I think it might be a perfect match for what you're looking for. Modest power (by today's standards -- 75hp), but awesome handling thanks to some well thought out suspension work by the previous owner. I'm pretty sure I saved my original posting, so let me know if you're interested and I'll re-send the FZR part to you directly. I can't remember exactly how much I was asking, but I know it was less than $3000. Of course, we can always talk more about price. ;^) Cheers, Chuck -----Original Message----- From: Wayne Edelen Sent: Jan 25, 2004 6:14 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Looking for track bike Well I sold my street/strip racecar yesterday, so there is room in my garage for a track bike :-) My 'Busa is my pimpin' cruiser and drag bike, so now I need something for track days that I can ball up and not cry about ;-) I'd like to keep it cheap (for the aforementioned reason ;-) but something with good suspension components, brakes and handling. Power isn't as important, as I know my track riding is at the novice level and too much power would likely just get me in trouble. :-) Paint/bodywork isn't an issue, as I'm sure it will get hurt eventually anyway. If anyone knows of bikes for sale or can offer suggestions on bikes to look for, I'd appreciate it. I was thinking like mid-late 90s 600cc supersports, but would be interested in any capable rides. I think I want to keep it registered for street duty, but that is not a requirement. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 26 11:08:40 2004 Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 11:08:34 -0500 From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: To: Subject: Re: Rode in today hanging head in shame ... I drove a ... a ... a car! Drive the wife to work at the Arlington Courthouse - it was closed. Drove her back home and said what the heck and drove to work. Am wondering what precip we'll get now! Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Leon Begeman Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 07:28:02 -0800 (PST) >But I did! > >I hit 55 on the HOV lanes, they were clear all the way >across. > >Leon >Ninja 250 rider. >--- Jon Strang wrote: >> NOT! >> >> --jon >> > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! >http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 26 11:14:26 2004 Reply-To: "Jon Strang" From: "Jon Strang" To: Subject: Re: Rode in today Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 11:14:56 -0500 When I wrote my smart-ass post, I considered adding "but Leon will" to the bottom. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leon Begeman" To: "Jon Strang" ; Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 10:28 AM Subject: Re: Rode in today > But I did! > > I hit 55 on the HOV lanes, they were clear all the way > across. > > Leon > Ninja 250 rider. > --- Jon Strang wrote: > > NOT! > > > > --jon > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! > http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 26 11:18:06 2004 Reply-To: "S. Russell" From: "S. Russell" To: Subject: Rode in today Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 11:16:38 -0500 What are you all talking about outside, riding in or not riding in? I am just waking up and the weather is, oh my god there is snow outside. Scott From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 26 11:29:12 2004 Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 08:28:59 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: Rode in today To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Leon, you are one sick puppy. Glenn --- Jon Strang wrote: > When I wrote my smart-ass post, I considered adding > "but Leon will" to the > bottom. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Leon Begeman" > To: "Jon Strang" ; > > Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 10:28 AM > Subject: Re: Rode in today > > > > But I did! > > > > I hit 55 on the HOV lanes, they were clear all the > way > > across. > > > > Leon > > Ninja 250 rider. > > --- Jon Strang wrote: > > > NOT! > > > > > > --jon > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. > Try it! > > http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 26 11:39:31 2004 Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 11:42:15 -0500 To: "S. Russell" , From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Rode in today At 11:16 AM 1/26/04 -0500, S. Russell wrote: >What are you all talking about outside, riding in or not riding in? > >I am just waking up and the weather is, oh my god there is snow outside. Yeah, but it's a *dry*, powdery sort of snow... :^) Came home last night as it was just getting going. Visibility was the biggest problem then, followed by panic-sticken D.C. area drivers who were doing 20mph in the left lane of Rt. 7 (and the right lane...), and others who thought that 30 on the beltway was reasonable just because there was some powder drifting across the road. Of course, in the Jeep, traction wasn't an issue even in the 2" that was on the street when I got home. Had to goose it to get any sort of slip going. :^) -- Mike B. **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 26 11:55:05 2004 Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 12:11:36 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: Rode in today On Mon, 26 Jan 2004, Mike Bartman wrote: > Yeah, but it's a *dry*, powdery sort of snow... :^) It covers you in a fine icy coating when you're snowblowing ;-) > Of course, in the Jeep, traction wasn't an issue even in the 2" that was on > the street when I got home. Had to goose it to get any sort of slip going. > :^) I went out for a tour in my truck this morning. There is about 8" of unplowed snow in my hood and probably 2-3" on the side roads where I live. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 26 12:01:49 2004 Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 12:01:21 -0500 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Rode in today X-AOL-IP: 12.36.128.140 Yeah, the sidewalks were a little slick in spots during my 15 minute walk to work this morning. ;-) Scooter (Work where you live, live where you work) In a message dated 1/26/2004 12:11:36 PM Eastern Standard Time, wayne@XXXXXX writes: > > > On Mon, 26 Jan 2004, Mike Bartman wrote: > > > Yeah, but it's a *dry*, powdery sort of snow... :^) > > It covers you in a fine icy coating when you're snowblowing ;-) > > > Of course, in the Jeep, traction wasn't an issue even in the 2" that was on > > the street when I got home. Had to goose it to get any sort of slip going. > > :^) > > I went out for a tour in my truck this morning. There is about 8" of > unplowed snow in my hood and probably 2-3" on the side > roads where I live. > > -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 26 12:19:42 2004 Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 12:22:03 -0500 To: Wayne Edelen , From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Rode in today At 12:11 PM 1/26/04 -0500, Wayne Edelen wrote: >On Mon, 26 Jan 2004, Mike Bartman wrote: > >> Yeah, but it's a *dry*, powdery sort of snow... :^) > >It covers you in a fine icy coating when you're snowblowing ;-) I guess that's one reason to be happy I never got a snowblower. I'll take what I can get when my back is aching from shoveling... :^) I'm going to leave the shoveling for later. I hear we're going to get sleet and freezing rain, and I'd rather that just sit on top of the powder, rather than sticking to my driveway... Temps are supposed to go up as of Wednesday, with Thursday through the weekend being over 40 every day, so this stuff shouldn't stick around long, and it might even be decent riding weather for the weekend! (partly cloudy and 40 both days is the predict at the moment). >> Of course, in the Jeep, traction wasn't an issue even in the 2" that was on >> the street when I got home. Had to goose it to get any sort of slip going. >> :^) > >I went out for a tour in my truck this morning. There is about 8" of >unplowed snow in my hood and probably 2-3" on the side roads where I live. Same here (Rockville area), but the plow just went buy and messed it all up... :^) -- Mike B. **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 26 20:00:10 2004 Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 16:59:59 -0800 (PST) From: John Kozyn Subject: Re: Rode in today To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Leon Begeman But I did! I hit 55 on the HOV lanes, they were clear all the way across. And from: Glenn Dysart Leon, you are one sick puppy. =========== Leon, I think what Glenn was trying to say is: "We're not worthy" ;) I laugh.. dood, you are THE most serious motorcyclist I've ever met! Be careful anyway... Hey btw, dont you have coordinates for a _local_ bearing supply house? I figure I better have them on hand, rather than being forced to scamper for them later (like during the summer! :) Last place i dealt with in Cal. was kinda pricey... I might be giving your painting bro' a call, I'm getting ready to change the color of my (blue) VFR. TIA, JK (D-mode) 1995 VFR750F 1999 900SS __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 26 20:42:36 2004 From: "Rob Sharp" To: Glenn Dysart , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Rode in today Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 20:43:54 -0500 I think riding in on a motorcycle in this type of weather is borderline wreckless. I commute from Rockville to Tysons and the roads were horrible this morning at about 8am when I treked into work. :-/ Rob On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 08:28:59 -0800 (PST), Glenn Dysart wrote > Leon, you are one sick puppy. > > Glenn > > --- Jon Strang wrote: > > When I wrote my smart-ass post, I considered adding > > "but Leon will" to the > > bottom. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Leon Begeman" > > To: "Jon Strang" ; > > > > Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 10:28 AM > > Subject: Re: Rode in today > > > > > > > But I did! > > > > > > I hit 55 on the HOV lanes, they were clear all the > > way > > > across. > > > > > > Leon > > > Ninja 250 rider. > > > --- Jon Strang wrote: > > > > NOT! > > > > > > > > --jon > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. > > Try it! > > > http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! > http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ -- Rob Sharp 1996 Honda VFR 750 2003 Chevy S10 Xtreme SSCP/CCSP/CCNA 2.0/CCSA Network Security Engineer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 26 20:44:55 2004 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "John Kozyn" , Subject: Re: Rode in today Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 20:45:06 -0500 Motion Industries, down in Springfield. Paul in DC 95 VFR - 86 VF500F - www.wilsonline.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Kozyn" > From: Leon Begeman > > But I did! > I hit 55 on the HOV lanes, they were clear all the way > across. > > And from: Glenn Dysart > > Leon, you are one sick puppy. > > =========== > > Leon, I think what Glenn was trying to say is: "We're not worthy" ;) I > laugh.. dood, you are THE most serious motorcyclist I've ever met! Be > careful anyway... > > Hey btw, dont you have coordinates for a _local_ bearing supply house? .... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 26 20:47:02 2004 From: "Rob Sharp" To: Mike Bartman , "S. Russell" , Subject: Re: Rode in today Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 20:45:55 -0500 Yeah 4wd is perfect for getting people going fast enough to cause serious accidents. It's not getting moving it's stopping thats the issue. Rob On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 11:42:15 -0500, Mike Bartman wrote > > Of course, in the Jeep, traction wasn't an issue even in the 2" that > was on the street when I got home. Had to goose it to get any sort > of slip going. :^) > > -- Mike B. > > **************************************************************************** > * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation > Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled > Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options > Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *------------------------------ > --------------------------------------------* * "We do it > all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** -- Rob Sharp 1996 Honda VFR 750 2003 Chevy S10 Xtreme SSCP/CCSP/CCNA 2.0/CCSA Network Security Engineer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 26 20:59:42 2004 From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Rode in today Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 20:47:46 -0500 Actually, I think you meant "borderline reckless". Wreckless would be a good thing... Perry >From: "Rob Sharp" >To: Glenn Dysart , dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Rode in today >Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 20:43:54 -0500 > >I think riding in on a motorcycle in this type of weather is borderline >wreckless. I commute from Rockville to Tysons and the roads were horrible >this morning at about 8am when I treked into work. > >:-/ > >Rob > _________________________________________________________________ Scope out the new MSN Plus Internet Software ^[)BM-^W optimizes dial-up to the max! http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=byoa/plus&ST=1 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 26 23:42:16 2004 Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 23:29:28 -0500 To: "Rob Sharp" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Rode in today At 08:43 PM 1/26/04 -0500, Rob Sharp wrote: >I think riding in on a motorcycle in this type of weather is borderline >wreckless. One can only hope.... ;^) > I commute from Rockville to Tysons and the roads were horrible >this morning at about 8am when I treked into work. > >:-/ I used to have that commute. It was really bad when they were working on the ALB, but a nightmare anytime it snowed. I think all the snow sissies commute along that route. A couple of flakes and they'd all drop to 10mph. An inch of accumulation and they started abandoning their cars wherever they happened to get the first slip. General rule for D.C. area driving: when it starts to accumulate, get off the roads for at least 4 hours. Doesn't matter where, just don't try to drive. After 4 hours all those who can't drive in the snow have gotten where they were going, abandoned their cars along the road somewhere, or hit something already. It is then safe to be out and about so long as you stay out of the way of the plows. Works for me anyway. -- Mike B. **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 26 23:42:15 2004 Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 23:44:49 -0500 To: "Rob Sharp" , From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Rode in today At 08:45 PM 1/26/04 -0500, Rob Sharp wrote: >Yeah 4wd is perfect for getting people going fast enough to cause serious >accidents. It's not getting moving it's stopping thats the issue. All true, but assuming you know how to drive, 4WD is far less likely to get stuck and block traffic. 4WD with limited slip differentials is even better. Add in some decent all-season tires and you are good until it starts rubbing the elevated underside, or turns to solid ice...but carry a shovel with you anyway in case you get stuck in some drift or other. :^) You are right though that lots of 4WD drivers seem to forget that everyone (other than bikes) has 4 wheel brakes and two wheel steering. Years ago when I drove a Toyota Celica GT (2 wheel rear drive) I made it home from Bowie to Bethesda in a snowstorm at 2am, with about 6" of mixed slush on the beltway and had no problems. I was only doing 35, as slower let the ruts steer me, and faster was too slippy...35 was very controllable though. I was passed by an SUV doing about 45 around Colesville Rd, and then I passed him again just before Georgia, as he was doing 360s near the outer part of a curve...I steered slowly to the inside and got by with 2 lanes clearance, and never saw him again. Probably abandoned it... Regardless of what you drive or ride, it's a good idea to find out how it handles in low traction situations. My first drive in the snow in any vehicle generally involves some stops, swerves and hard accelerations so I can determine the limits to traction, and how long it will slide in the conditions before stopping. I try to do this in a big empty parking lot if at all possible (one where I'm familiar with the layout of any "islands"...), and speeds are generally not much over 10 or 15 mph at first, but the stop tests are good in the driveway or street where I start out from if there aren't other vehicles around. Just see how hard you can brake before you slide it from various speeds. Then I stay well within those limits when picking speeds, following distances, etc.. "Drive gently and know your limits" is a good way to sum it up. It's worked for me for almost 30 years so far. -- Mike B. **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 27 09:29:25 2004 Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 09:27:30 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" To: Mike Bartman CC: Dave Yates , DC Cycles Subject: Re: 100 Days! Mike Bartman wrote: > It may cost the state plenty...there's been some talk on usenet of moving > the Sturgis rally to a neighboring state in protest, and of boycotting it > if it doesn't move. > > -- Mike B. Excellent plan! Better yet, a stealth boycott. Make the goobers in SD think a gazillion bikes will show up with riders having pockets fulla money to spend, and then ... Oh, sorry, we decided to visit (insert state/town with a reasonable judgemental view on vehicular manslaughter) Bill - crosses SD off my list of tour spots From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 27 09:42:07 2004 Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 09:42:01 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: Rob Sharp , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Rode in today Not necessarily "wreckless" I'm afraid. Nor necessarily "reckless" depending on your situation. It's not my cup of tea though. Our side street remains untouched. If you're just on the main thoroughfares, it's probably doable. There did appear to be some icing on 395 overpasses this morning in the District. So, it was off to the Metro for me again. Managed to do the commute in 56 minutes instead of yesterday's 58. :] Two Metro trains + bus to get to work. I'm reminded why I started riding to work in the first place. Metro was having problems with ice on the third rail out by RFK. For those of you who are wondering, Saturday's Polar Bear ride is looking a little "iffy" at this point, unless we have a couple of warm days. Paul in DC 95 VFR "Mile Eater" - 86 VF500F "Short Bus" -----Original Message----- From: Rob Sharp I think riding in on a motorcycle in this type of weather is borderline wreckless. I commute from Rockville to Tysons and the roads were horrible this morning at about 8am when I treked into work. :-/ Rob On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 08:28:59 -0800 (PST), Glenn Dysart wrote > Leon, you are one sick puppy. > > Glenn > ...... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 27 10:11:10 2004 Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 10:10:49 -0500 From: Dale Horstman To: "William J. Huson" CC: Mike Bartman , Dave Yates , DC Cycles Subject: Re: 100 Days! "William J. Huson" wrote: > Excellent plan! Better yet, a stealth boycott. Make the goobers in SD think a > gazillion bikes will show up with riders having pockets fulla money to spend, > and then ... Oh, sorry, we decided to visit (insert state/town with a > reasonable judgemental view on vehicular manslaughter) I'd love to see it happen. Wow, that would *really* send a message to those pukes in SD, woudn't it? Horkster -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX '98 Concours - BugSlayer Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '99 Concours - Grape Nehi CM #001 NRA IBA COG '82 GS850G - Neat old bike The Mason Dixon 20-20 Endurance Rally: The Games People Play Come join us in 2004: http://www.masondixon20-20.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 27 10:57:25 2004 Subject: Source for stainless bolts? (Was: RE: Rode in today) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 10:57:12 -0500 From: "Verde, Robert" To: "Paul Wilson" , "John Kozyn" , Not bearing-related, but close... Any tips for a local (Arlington/NoVa) source for metric stainless fasteners? I know of two hardware stores, one in Springfield and one in Falls Church that carry a (very) small selection of stainless metric fasteners, plus two more remote sources; GEM Specialties in Clinton, MD, and Chesapeake Marine Fasteners in Annapolis. However, being lazy, I was hoping there were closer sources, or at least suppliers on the West side of DC. Ideal location would carry metric stainless button-head hex metric fasteners, but at the very least, would have a selection of metric stainless. I've been replacing all the bolts, nuts, and washers I find rusty on the bike, and with the recent weather, that means almost all of them... Got a large batch from an English company, something INOX supply, to do the clutch cover, the water pump/sprocket cover, and the oil pan, but he ordering timelines are pretty long for this supplier. I'd like to find someplace that carries the large size metric bolts, as the hex heads on some of the frame bolts are corroding, and I *really* don't want to strip out one of them. Robert -----Original Message----- From: Paul Wilson [mailto:viffermaniac@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 8:45 PM To: John Kozyn; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Rode in today Motion Industries, down in Springfield. Paul in DC 95 VFR - 86 VF500F - www.wilsonline.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Kozyn" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 27 11:44:19 2004 Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 11:42:49 -0500 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Source for stainless bolts? (Was: RE: Rode in today) X-AOL-IP: 12.36.128.140 Only place I can think of that might have what you're looking for is West Marine in Alexandria. I pass it when I'm going to Cycle Sport from DC. Here's their website. http://www.westmarine.com/ I bought a waterproof dc socket for my bike from them. Works like a charm. Hope this helps. Scooter In a message dated 1/27/2004 10:57:12 AM Eastern Standard Time, Robert.Verde@XXXXXX writes: > > > Not bearing-related, but close... Any tips for a local (Arlington/NoVa) source for metric stainless fasteners? > > I know of two hardware stores, one in Springfield and one in Falls Church that carry a (very) small selection of stainless metric fasteners, plus two more remote sources; GEM Specialties in Clinton, MD, and Chesapeake Marine Fasteners in Annapolis. However, being lazy, I was hoping there were closer sources, or at least suppliers on the West side of DC. > > Ideal location would carry metric stainless button-head hex metric fasteners, but at the very least, would have a selection of metric stainless. I've been replacing all the bolts, nuts, and washers I find rusty on the bike, and with the recent weather, that means almost all of them... Got a large batch from an English company, something INOX supply, to do the clutch cover, the water pump/sprocket cover, and the oil pan, but he ordering timelines are pretty long for this supplier. I'd like to find someplace that carries the large size metric bolts, as the hex heads on some of the frame bolts are > corroding, and I *really* don't want to strip out one of them. > > Robert From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 27 12:21:47 2004 Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 09:21:39 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: Source for stainless bolts? (Was: RE: Rode in today) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX You do realize you live in a country that thumbs it's nose as the wider world on matters both big and small. Metric? oh ha, ha, ha!!! Even the British got a clue on this one some time back. ACE hardware has the best selection I've really ever found. Hit the website and you'll find several local sources, most in DC. I'm not sure why you're so hung-up on stainless though. Surface rust isn't important. And if it matters so much then I think Harley Davidson has one of those clear cocoons you can intern your bike into instead of riding it. ===== * A successful marriage isn't finding the right person; it's being the right person. * To forgive is to set the prisoner free and then discover the prisoner was you. * Liberalism always generates the exact opposite of its stated intent. - Jim Quinn (WRRK) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 27 12:28:50 2004 Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 12:28:45 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Source for stainless bolts? (Was: RE: Rode in today) At 12:21 PM 1/27/2004, matthew patton wrote: >Surface rust isn't >important. And if it matters so much then I think Harley Davidson has >one of those clear cocoons you can intern your bike into instead of >riding it. You may welcome surface rust Matt, but I don't know why. Rust is not a "Good Thing" and wanting to avoid it shouldn't be equated to cocooning your bike IMHO. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 27 12:43:04 2004 From: To: Dale Horstman , "William J. Huson" CC: Mike Bartman , Dave Yates , DC Cycles Subject: Re: Re: 100 Days! Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 11:57:41 -0500 The only issue I see with this is that we'd be punishing people that had absolutely no part in the decision that the judge made. We're punishing the entire state over the decision that a single person made. The *people*, comprised of the jury who are state residents, actually found him guilty. If there were a way to boycott the *judicial* system there, then that would be another thing all together. -aki > > From: Dale Horstman > Date: 2004/01/27 Tue AM 10:10:49 EST > To: "William J. Huson" > CC: Mike Bartman , Dave Yates , > DC Cycles > Subject: Re: 100 Days! > > "William J. Huson" wrote: > > > Excellent plan! Better yet, a stealth boycott. Make the goobers in SD think a > > gazillion bikes will show up with riders having pockets fulla money to spend, > > and then ... Oh, sorry, we decided to visit (insert state/town with a > > reasonable judgemental view on vehicular manslaughter) > > I'd love to see it happen. Wow, that would *really* send > a message to those pukes in SD, woudn't it? > > Horkster > > -- > Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) > > Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX '98 Concours - BugSlayer > Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '99 Concours - Grape Nehi > CM #001 NRA IBA COG '82 GS850G - Neat old bike > > The Mason Dixon 20-20 Endurance Rally: The Games People Play > Come join us in 2004: http://www.masondixon20-20.org > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 27 12:45:56 2004 Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 12:45:49 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Source for stainless bolts? (Was: RE: Rode in today) Fragers Hdwe., 1100 Pa Ave SE, is my usual haunt for metric SS fasteners. One caution with stainless. Stainless will not necessarily meet the strength ratings required for critical fasteners. Replace the stockers with care. HTH, Paul in DC 95 VFR "cover queen" - 86 VF500F "foul weather beast" -----Original Message----- From: "Verde, Robert" Not bearing-related, but close... Any tips for a local (Arlington/NoVa) source for metric stainless fasteners? I know of two hardware stores, one in Springfield and one in Falls Church that carry a (very) small selection of stainless metric fasteners, plus two more remote sources; GEM Specialties in Clinton, MD, and Chesapeake Marine Fasteners in Annapolis. However, being lazy, I was hoping there were closer sources, or at least suppliers on the West side of DC. Ideal location would carry metric stainless button-head hex metric fasteners, but at the very least, would have a selection of metric stainless. .. I'd like to find someplace that carries the large size metric bolts, as the hex heads on some of the frame bolts are corroding, and I *really* don't want to strip out one of them. Robert From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 27 12:46:17 2004 Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 12:46:13 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Source for stainless bolts? (Was: RE: Rode in today) Fragers Hdwe., 1100 Pa Ave SE, is my usual haunt for metric SS fasteners. One caution with stainless. Stainless will not necessarily meet the strength ratings required for critical fasteners. Replace the stockers with care. HTH, Paul in DC 95 VFR "cover queen" - 86 VF500F "foul weather beast" -----Original Message----- From: "Verde, Robert" Not bearing-related, but close... Any tips for a local (Arlington/NoVa) source for metric stainless fasteners? I know of two hardware stores, one in Springfield and one in Falls Church that carry a (very) small selection of stainless metric fasteners, plus two more remote sources; GEM Specialties in Clinton, MD, and Chesapeake Marine Fasteners in Annapolis. However, being lazy, I was hoping there were closer sources, or at least suppliers on the West side of DC. Ideal location would carry metric stainless button-head hex metric fasteners, but at the very least, would have a selection of metric stainless. .. I'd like to find someplace that carries the large size metric bolts, as the hex heads on some of the frame bolts are corroding, and I *really* don't want to strip out one of them. Robert From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 27 12:55:48 2004 Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 12:55:46 -0500 From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: To: Subject: bearing supply house Motion Industries are terrific. They matched up some Russian bearings from a sidecar and did perfectly. The time before that they apologized that it would take them 3 days to deliver some bearings to my house. Good folks. Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Paul Wilson" Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 20:45:06 -0500 >Motion Industries, down in Springfield. > >Paul in DC >95 VFR - 86 VF500F - www.wilsonline.org >----- Original Message ----- >From: "John Kozyn" > > > >> From: Leon Begeman >> >> But I did! >> I hit 55 on the HOV lanes, they were clear all the way >> across. >> >> And from: Glenn Dysart >> >> Leon, you are one sick puppy. >> >> =========== >> >> Leon, I think what Glenn was trying to say is: "We're not worthy" ;) I >> laugh.. dood, you are THE most serious motorcyclist I've ever met! Be >> careful anyway... >> >> Hey btw, dont you have coordinates for a _local_ bearing supply house? >.... > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 27 13:18:47 2004 Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 13:18:22 -0500 From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: To: , "Verde, Robert" Subject: Re: Source for stainless bolts? (Was: RE: Rode in today) Here's some web-based sources that might help: http://www.mcmaster.com http://www.metricspecialties.com/ http://totallystainless.net/totally.html http://www.mmsacc-stainless.com/ ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Verde, Robert" Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 10:57:12 -0500 >Not bearing-related, but close... Any tips for a local (Arlington/NoVa) source for metric stainless fasteners? > >I know of two hardware stores, one in Springfield and one in Falls Church that carry a (very) small selection of stainless metric fasteners, plus two more remote sources; GEM Specialties in Clinton, MD, and Chesapeake Marine Fasteners in Annapolis. However, being lazy, I was hoping there were closer sources, or at least suppliers on the West side of DC. > >Ideal location would carry metric stainless button-head hex metric fasteners, but at the very least, would have a selection of metric stainless. I've been replacing all the bolts, nuts, and washers I find rusty on the bike, and with the recent weather, that means almost all of them... Got a large batch from an English company, something INOX supply, to do the clutch cover, the water pump/sprocket cover, and the oil pan, but he ordering timelines are pretty long for this supplier. I'd like to find someplace that carries the large size metric bolts, as the hex heads on some of the frame bolts are corroding, and I *really* don't want to strip out one of them. > >Robert > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Paul Wilson [mailto:viffermaniac@XXXXXX] >Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 8:45 PM >To: John Kozyn; dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Rode in today > > >Motion Industries, down in Springfield. > >Paul in DC >95 VFR - 86 VF500F - www.wilsonline.org >----- Original Message ----- >From: "John Kozyn" > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 27 13:24:57 2004 Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 10:24:34 -0800 (PST) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: matthew patton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Source for stainless bolts? (Was: RE: Rode in today) When I had a naked bike (back in the day) a wipedown with generous amounts of WD40 a couple times a year did a lot to keep the surface rust at bay. Now I'm less concerned. Be careful out there. OPM is sending feds home three hours early. Paul in DC 95 VFR - 86 VF500F -----Original Message----- From: matthew patton I'm not sure why you're so hung-up on stainless though. Surface rust isn't important. And if it matters so much then I think Harley Davidson has one of those clear cocoons you can intern your bike into instead of riding it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 27 14:19:14 2004 Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 14:19:26 -0500 To: , Dale Horstman , "William J. Huson" From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Re: 100 Days! Cc: Dave Yates , DC Cycles At 11:57 AM 1/27/04 -0500, adamme1@XXXXXX wrote: >The only issue I see with this is that we'd be punishing >people that had absolutely no part in the decision that >the judge made. He's their judge. If they disagree with what he does, they should replace him. >We're punishing the entire state over the >decision that a single person made. Happens all the time. I've stayed out of D.C. as much as humanly possible for most of the 23 years I've lived around this area due to the actions of only a relatively few individuals, including police and the city council (past and present). Therefore my discretionary spending has all been in Virginia and Maryland, not D.C.. I'm sure there are lots of nice people in D.C. who have been, and continue to be, harmed by the actions of the relatively few assholes who drive people away who otherwise might go and spend money there, and thus increase employment and income levels, but if they are going to let the assholes live there and run things there, they are going to suffer the consequences. Same is true of SD, or anywhere else that humans live. Make a nice inviting place, and people will come. Give them reasons to go elsewhere, and they will. >The *people*, comprised of the jury who are state residents, actually found him guilty. If there were a way to boycott the *judicial* system there, then that would be another thing all together. If you want to get the judicial system there changed, you have several choices. Armed intervention seems a bit extreme, but doing something that convinces those with the power there (the voters) to fix the problem is perfectly reasonable. Doing something that affects pocketbooks is a really effective way to convince people to get it in gear. On the other hand, trying to organize the attendees of Sturgis to do anything en mass might be pretty hopeless. On the third hand, even a notable decrease in attendance might send a loud message, if the reason is articulated clearly enough. Whatever the outcome, I can't do much about it myself...I wasn't going this year anyway. All I can hope is that the family's civil suit works out well and Janklow ends up unable to afford to own a car again. -- Mike B. **************************************************************************** * Mike Bartman * Puzzles Pondered Obfuscation Obliterated * * Omniphiles International * Confusion Canceled Opinions Offered * * omni@XXXXXX * Options Outlined Smiles Stimulated * *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* * "We do it all! No job too small! No price too high! * **************************************************************************** From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 27 19:17:34 2004 Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 19:18:01 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Bruce Brownlee Subject: Re: Polar Bear ride Keep us up to date, Paul. Also, let us know if you have a tentative plan/schedule. I was informed I have a "dinner party" saturday nite. (just before telling me this, da boss hid all the guns so I couldnt take the easy way out by eating a bullet.) Still want to ride, just need to plan well. maybe a critical case of frostbite could get me out of it? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 27 20:37:56 2004 Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 20:37:43 -0500 From: Dale Horstman To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Polar Bear ride I'm hoping the snow & ice will melt by Saturday so I can get my bike free. It looks so sad buried there under the bike cover... Winters suck! Hork -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX '98 Concours - BugSlayer Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '99 Concours - Grape Nehi CM #001 NRA IBA COG '82 GS850G - Neat old bike The Mason Dixon 20-20 Endurance Rally: The Games People Play Come join us in 2004: http://www.masondixon20-20.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 27 21:51:34 2004 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Dale Horstman" , Subject: Re: Polar Bear ride Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 21:51:50 -0500 Yup, same problem here. Can't get off the street. I don't know the road conditions in the "target area" either. I was thinking of starting in Poolesville, and working north and west from there, perhaps with lunch in Thurmont. Thursday and Friday are supposed to be warmer, so let's hope for some aggressive melting and no more precipitation. Paul in DC 95 VFR - 86 VF500F - www.wilsonline.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dale Horstman" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 8:37 PM Subject: Re: Polar Bear ride > > > I'm hoping the snow & ice will melt by Saturday so I can > get my bike free. It looks so sad buried there under the > bike cover... > > Winters suck! > > Hork > -- > Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) > > Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX '98 Concours - BugSlayer > Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '99 Concours - Grape Nehi > CM #001 NRA IBA COG '82 GS850G - Neat old bike > > The Mason Dixon 20-20 Endurance Rally: The Games People Play > Come join us in 2004: http://www.masondixon20-20.org > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 27 23:45:28 2004 Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 23:48:01 -0500 To: "Paul Wilson" , "Dale Horstman" , From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Polar Bear ride At 09:51 PM 1/27/04 -0500, Paul Wilson wrote: >Yup, same problem here. Can't get off the street. I don't know the road >conditions in the "target area" either. I was thinking of starting in >Poolesville, and working north and west from there, perhaps with lunch in >Thurmont. Sounds like a nice ride if the weather is right. >Thursday and Friday are supposed to be warmer, so let's hope for >some aggressive melting and no more precipitation. It's supposed to start warming tomorrow (37 high), then be around 40 until next Tuesday (according to weather.com). There's supposed to be precip in the form of snow or "wintery mix" every couple of days though, but the weekend was showing as partly cloudy and 40 both days last I looked. It's going to depend mostly on how sunny it is I think, and how shaddy the route you pick is...I expect that sunlit areas will be snow-free by Sunday at the latest. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 28 12:03:09 2004 Subject: Winter bike maintenance Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 12:04:27 -0500 From: "Julian Halton" To: Have not ridden in a week and a half. Bike is stored in somewhat dank second level parking garage. Left 8th floor stir crazy and hearing someone say a bike needs to be run everyday. Started R6...let warm up to 120f. Rolled on throttle...sluggish response at first Put chain wax on chain Wiped down most metal parts Let run for 15-20 minutes Shifted a few times Rode the bike in circles. Anything I am missing? Is starting a bake and running it for only twenty minutes not a good idea? How often should I do this? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 28 12:17:37 2004 Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 09:17:29 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Winter bike maintenance To: Julian Halton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX you gotta ride it (once every two weeks to a month should be sufficient). simply running it at low rpms will kill the battery. add fuel stabilizer and fill tank? --- Julian Halton wrote: > > Have not ridden in a week and a half. Bike is stored in > somewhat dank > second level parking garage. Left 8th floor stir crazy > and hearing > someone say a bike needs to be run everyday. > > Started R6...let warm up to 120f. Rolled on > throttle...sluggish > response at first > Put chain wax on chain > Wiped down most metal parts > Let run for 15-20 minutes > Shifted a few times > Rode the bike in circles. > > Anything I am missing? Is starting a bake and running it > for only twenty > minutes not a good idea? How often should I do this? > > ===== Thomas H. Gimer MURPHY & GIMER, LLC 7940A Wisconsin Avenue Bethesda, MD 20814 301 913-0060 ext. 11; 301 913-5415 (fax) http://www.murphygimer.com **This material is being sent by a law firm and is intended only for the addressee. Various legal protections including the attorney-client privilege can apply to this material and no consent is given to its being read or used by anyone other than the intended recipient. Any other use is unlawful. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 28 12:41:44 2004 Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 12:57:50 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: Winter bike maintenance On Wed, 28 Jan 2004, Tom Gimer wrote: > you gotta ride it (once every two weeks to a month should > be sufficient). simply running it at low rpms will kill > the battery. > > add fuel stabilizer and fill tank? You need to ride it enough to get the oil up to full operating temperature. If you start it up and don't get the oil warm enough, you're doing more harm than good. FWIW, my bike sits in my garage for up to 8 weeks at a time without being started/ridden. I don't do anything other than keep the tank full. I should probably remove the battery and put it on a tender, but I'm too lazy :-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 28 12:56:57 2004 Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 09:56:39 -0800 (PST) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: Tom Gimer , Julian Halton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Winter bike maintenance "Needs to run every day"? Maybe that's good advice, for the owner that is, to ward off PMS, which I am on the verge of experiencing at this very moment. :) The bike, OTOH, doesn't care. Unless it's been sitting for more than a month, I wouldn't worry about it. Just idling it for a few minutes probably does more harm than good. Get it out on the road, get the RPMs up and get it up to operating temperature, enough to boil off the water and crud that resides in a stored engine and to recharge a battery that's a little flat from sitting. Last winter the VFR sat for three weeks in VFR, no battery tender, no nothing. Took the cover off; she fired right up and I rode her to Florida. No problems. Paul in DC 95 VFR -----Original Message----- From: Tom Gimer you gotta ride it (once every two weeks to a month should be sufficient). simply running it at low rpms will kill the battery. add fuel stabilizer and fill tank? --- Julian Halton wrote: > > Have not ridden in a week and a half. Bike is stored in > somewhat dank > second level parking garage. Left 8th floor stir crazy > and hearing > someone say a bike needs to be run everyday. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 28 13:04:53 2004 Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 10:04:45 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: VPN To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX i've got a netgear fvs318 firewall/router here at the office and i'd like to set up a vpn connection for 4 home users. questions: 1) can anyone here help me with this 2) how much is it gonna cost me 3) how quickly can i get this done thanks for any feedback -- tg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 28 13:18:30 2004 Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 10:18:25 -0800 (PST) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Greetings from Colorado To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Lots of fun out here. Good skiing (except for the occasional ice patches :-( While reading the Denver Post yesterday, I came across the following article. I was more than a little upset, especially about the two guys who were caught up just because they were wearing biker shirts. Anyway, see you in a couple of days. (http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36%257E53%257E1916922,00.html) Group booted from DIA jet after dispute over spanking Ann Depperschmidt Special to The Denver Post Tuesday, January 27, 2004 - When a man spanked his young daughter in front of a plane full of Bikers Against Child Abuse members, one biker spoke out. But instead of being hailed as a hero, the entire group was booted from the plane Sunday night. ===== 02 Harley FXSTI 95 Suzuki GSXR 750W 76 Honda Chopper (in progress) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 28 13:27:16 2004 Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 13:24:47 -0500 To: "Julian Halton" , From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Winter bike maintenance At 12:04 PM 1/28/04 -0500, Julian Halton wrote: > >Anything I am missing? Is starting a bake and running it for only twenty >minutes not a good idea? How often should I do this? I don't know the specific numbers, but the idea of running a bike periodically for "a while" is based on the idea of condensation forming inside the engine and needing to be boiled out. Combustion of gas results in lots of different molecules getting formed. Most go out the exhaust pipe, but some slip past the rings or valve seals and get into the crank case or other parts of the bike. They mix in with the oil and get carried everywhere. Some of these compounds (most notably the sulfur ones I think), when mixed with water, form acids that will cause corrosion. Junk in the oil, water condenses on interior metal parts and comes in contact with crud-bearing oil, and your oil now contains acid...and not just the oil in the oil reservoir...it's all over the inside of the engine in thin layers. The above is why an oil change is part of winterizing a bike for storage, and doing so again in the spring even if you didn't ride it...you want to get the dirty oil and water out and replace it with oil that has far fewer contaminants to mix with whatever water is left in there. It's also why it's a good idea not to store an engine for long periods without running if you can arrange it. Running the engine heats up and boils out the water that might have accumulated...if you run it long enough. If you don't run it long enough, you are actually being counterproductive...you are forming more corrosive junk in your oil, spreading it all through the engine, and then leaving some or all of the water there to form acids with it. The big question is "how long is 'long enough'?" and that one I can't answer. It probably varies from bike to bike. The quicker your engine heats up to operating temp, the shorter you can run it and still get the water out. The more often you change the oil, the less crud will be in it to start with. The lower the ambient humidity over time, the less water there will be to condense out in the engine, so climate and weather play a part too. I've heard people around here say "20 miles", others "30 minutes"...but I don't know what they were basing those statements on. I don't know if anyone's done controlled tests or anything, but I'd sure be interested in hearing about it if they have. :^) -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 28 13:27:18 2004 Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 13:29:42 -0500 To: Wayne Edelen , From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Winter bike maintenance At 12:57 PM 1/28/04 -0500, Wayne Edelen wrote: >I should probably remove the battery and put it on a tender, but I'm too >lazy :-) Get a Battery Tender (tm) and hook up a harness to the battery. That way you can keep it on the tender while it's still in the bike, and it only takes a few seconds to connect or disconnect it...just a small plug sticking out somewhere convenient (mine's under the edge of the seat, near the oil tank piping). My Battery Tender came with such a harness, but the dealer had already put one on the bike before I picked it up so I used it to hook up my GPS. :^) I think they run about $6 at Battley's. Since they are directly connected to the battery, with a 3amp fuse in the positive side, they are also a handy way to test battery voltage without having to remove the seat. Harness is only about a foot long, so wire resistance won't screw up the reading. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 28 13:40:24 2004 Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 13:40:12 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Winterized Cold Viffer sits idle Spring thaw brings riding pleasure New tires ordered ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 28 13:51:35 2004 From: "Sean" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 13:50:59 -0500 Subject: 'nother cold bike haiku X-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information Haha. I loved it Troutman... here's mine: Seca: snow-covered Slouched on 25th Street Not covered, alas From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 28 13:53:52 2004 Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 14:10:08 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: Winter bike maintenance On Wed, 28 Jan 2004, Mike Bartman wrote: > The big question is "how long is 'long enough'?" and that one I can't > answer. It probably varies from bike to bike. The quicker your engine > heats up to operating temp, the shorter you can run it and still get the > water out. The more often you change the oil, the less crud will be in it > to start with. The lower the ambient humidity over time, the less water > there will be to condense out in the engine, so climate and weather play a > part too. I've heard people around here say "20 miles", others "30 > minutes"...but I don't know what they were basing those statements on. I > don't know if anyone's done controlled tests or anything, but I'd sure be > interested in hearing about it if they have. :^) Just anecdotal evidence from my cars with oil temperature gauges, after sitting overnight in winter temps, inside garage - 5.8L V8, aluminum heads/iron block - 20 minutes 5.7L V8, aluminum heads and block - 10 minutes 2.7L V6 twin turbo, aluminum heads and iron block - 10-15 minutes These are times when driving, not letting the cars sit. Engines warm up much faster when driving gently rather than letting them sit and idle. I generally don't rev my current V8s higher than 2500-2800 rpm before the oil temp reaches around 160-170 deg and don't hammer them until the oil is at least 185 deg. My advice, if you're looking for the minimum runtime, just install an oil temperature gauge. Remember, the oil temp lags WAY behind the coolant temp. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 28 14:20:46 2004 Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 11:20:43 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Winterized (not) - a counterpoint. To: Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX New day to ride Snowy streets say caution Kawasaki! Leon Begeman Ninja 250 rider. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 28 14:28:01 2004 From: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" To: "'Wayne Edelen'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Winter bike maintenance Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 14:27:50 -0500 Interesting I've been having a discussion about whether to warm up your car or not a co-worker doesn't at all. She says that it causes moisture build up in the engines oil/fuel lines. What do you guys think? Anyway I keep my bike's tank full with stabil in the tank. Also I drained the carbs and it's on the front and rear stands. -----Original Message----- From: Wayne Edelen [mailto:wayne@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 2:10 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Winter bike maintenance On Wed, 28 Jan 2004, Mike Bartman wrote: > The big question is "how long is 'long enough'?" and that one I can't > answer. It probably varies from bike to bike. The quicker your engine > heats up to operating temp, the shorter you can run it and still get the > water out. The more often you change the oil, the less crud will be in it > to start with. The lower the ambient humidity over time, the less water > there will be to condense out in the engine, so climate and weather play a > part too. I've heard people around here say "20 miles", others "30 > minutes"...but I don't know what they were basing those statements on. I > don't know if anyone's done controlled tests or anything, but I'd sure be > interested in hearing about it if they have. :^) Just anecdotal evidence from my cars with oil temperature gauges, after sitting overnight in winter temps, inside garage - 5.8L V8, aluminum heads/iron block - 20 minutes 5.7L V8, aluminum heads and block - 10 minutes 2.7L V6 twin turbo, aluminum heads and iron block - 10-15 minutes These are times when driving, not letting the cars sit. Engines warm up much faster when driving gently rather than letting them sit and idle. I generally don't rev my current V8s higher than 2500-2800 rpm before the oil temp reaches around 160-170 deg and don't hammer them until the oil is at least 185 deg. My advice, if you're looking for the minimum runtime, just install an oil temperature gauge. Remember, the oil temp lags WAY behind the coolant temp. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 28 14:44:29 2004 Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 14:43:21 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Winterized (not) - a counterpoint. 5-7-5 Today I rode in Icy roads make bad riding on Kawasaki Actually I haven't ridden in weeks. I did start up the VFR and let it run about 20 minutes. Battery is solid. Gas is stable. Tires will be ordered soon - I thought I'd need a new set by now, but I've been trucking it for a while. F150 plows through snowy Clifton back roads Wife needs ride to Mason At 02:20 PM 1/28/2004, Leon Begeman wrote: >New day to ride >Snowy streets say caution >Kawasaki! > > >Leon Begeman >Ninja 250 rider. > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! >http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 28 14:49:41 2004 Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 14:49:01 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" , "'Wayne Edelen'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Winter bike maintenance In my opinion, people are way too up tight about "winterizing" their vehicles in these parts. It's not like this is Minne-freakin'-sota or some other place they have real winters. :) I grew up in the Midwest and don't recall people losing sleep over winterizing. Just make sure your antifreeze is up to the task and your engine oil is of appropriate viscosity. Your co-worker is partially right, although the business about moisture might be a little off. Idling is probably the least effective way to "warm up" a vehicle. Wanna warm it up: drive it (gently). Idling is ineffective, not to mention wasteful 'cuz you're getting no transportation output for the fuel you're burning. Ditto with the bike. Ride gently for the first ten minutes or so. Don't whack the throttle wide open. Paul in DC 95 VFR - 86 VF500F -----Original Message----- From: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" Sent: Jan 28, 2004 2:27 PM To: 'Wayne Edelen' , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Winter bike maintenance Interesting I've been having a discussion about whether to warm up your car or not a co-worker doesn't at all. She says that it causes moisture build up in the engines oil/fuel lines. What do you guys think? Anyway I keep my bike's tank full with stabil in the tank. Also I drained the carbs and it's on the front and rear stands. -----Original Message----- From: Wayne Edelen [mailto:wayne@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 2:10 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Winter bike maintenance On Wed, 28 Jan 2004, Mike Bartman wrote: > The big question is "how long is 'long enough'?" and that one I can't > answer. It probably varies from bike to bike. The quicker your engine > heats up to operating temp, the shorter you can run it and still get the > water out. The more often you change the oil, the less crud will be in it > to start with. The lower the ambient humidity over time, the less water > there will be to condense out in the engine, so climate and weather play a > part too. I've heard people around here say "20 miles", others "30 > minutes"...but I don't know what they were basing those statements on. I > don't know if anyone's done controlled tests or anything, but I'd sure be > interested in hearing about it if they have. :^) Just anecdotal evidence from my cars with oil temperature gauges, after sitting overnight in winter temps, inside garage - 5.8L V8, aluminum heads/iron block - 20 minutes 5.7L V8, aluminum heads and block - 10 minutes 2.7L V6 twin turbo, aluminum heads and iron block - 10-15 minutes These are times when driving, not letting the cars sit. Engines warm up much faster when driving gently rather than letting them sit and idle. I generally don't rev my current V8s higher than 2500-2800 rpm before the oil temp reaches around 160-170 deg and don't hammer them until the oil is at least 185 deg. My advice, if you're looking for the minimum runtime, just install an oil temperature gauge. Remember, the oil temp lags WAY behind the coolant temp. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 28 14:57:02 2004 Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 11:56:54 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Winterized (not) - a counterpoint. To: Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Thanks Mike, I ride, poetry isn't one of my strengths. Not sure I'd agree with the "Bad riding" sentiment, I didn't fall down, therefore it wasn't a bad ride. Leon. --- Troutman wrote: > 5-7-5 > > Today I rode in > Icy roads make bad riding > on Kawasaki > > Actually I haven't ridden in weeks. I did start up > the VFR and let it run > about 20 minutes. Battery is solid. Gas is stable. > Tires will be ordered > soon - I thought I'd need a new set by now, but I've > been trucking it for a > while. > > F150 plows > through snowy Clifton back roads > Wife needs ride to Mason > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 28 14:57:02 2004 Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 14:59:53 -0500 To: Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Winterized At 01:40 PM 1/28/04 -0500, Troutman wrote: >Cold Viffer sits idle >Spring thaw brings riding pleasure >New tires ordered Oooh!! Haiku! Can anyone play? I came up with these a few weeks ago: Leaves of summer past Gather wetly on blind curves. They've scored another! Chill wind of winter. Clothing layers equal six. But now I can't mount... Tire spins in wet snow Control goes, must remember: That's not a grab bar! Salt spray in my face, Making a mist to blind me. Spring bugs are better. Heated gloves and vest. Electric socks and pants too. Why did my bike die? Brand new shiny bike. My pride and joy on two wheels. Black Ice does not care. Next! :^) -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 28 15:00:24 2004 Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 15:03:26 -0500 To: Wayne Edelen , From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Winter bike maintenance At 02:10 PM 1/28/04 -0500, Wayne Edelen wrote: >My advice, if you're looking for the minimum runtime, just install an oil >temperature gauge. Remember, the oil temp lags WAY behind the coolant >temp. Unless your coolant is air... :^) One other point, once you are up over 212 degrees, you need to keep it there for a bit to boil out the water, right? If it takes 20 minutes to get up to temp, a minimum run for de-watering might be 30 or 40 minutes? -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 28 15:10:55 2004 Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 15:27:10 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: Winter bike maintenance On Wed, 28 Jan 2004, Mike Bartman wrote: > One other point, once you are up over 212 degrees, you need to keep it > there for a bit to boil out the water, right? If it takes 20 minutes to > get up to temp, a minimum run for de-watering might be 30 or 40 minutes? Good point. -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 28 15:12:06 2004 Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 15:15:02 -0500 To: Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Winterized (not) - a counterpoint. At 02:43 PM 1/28/04 -0500, Troutman wrote: >Actually I haven't ridden in weeks. I did start up the VFR and let it run I rode last Thursday...only day last week with halfway decent weather...it was upper 30s when I left, and about 34 when I got home just after sunset. I'm kind of hoping this crud melts by Saturday...the weekend looks like it might be nice too! >F150 plows >through snowy Clifton back roads >Wife needs ride to Mason Launch path is now cleared. Wandering snow blower paid. Come on Sun, melt it! -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 28 15:12:43 2004 Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 15:12:37 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: Mike Bartman , Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Haiku :-\ DC snow plows nil Alas, bikes parked at curbside Thursday: ride to work? Snow haiku stupid At extremes by PMS Please do stop me now Paul in DC 95 VFR - 86 VF500F From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 28 15:15:32 2004 From: Michael Lynch To: "'Wayne Edelen'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Winter bike maintenance Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 15:16:40 -0500 Water doesn't have to be at 212^[)BM-0F for it to have evaporative properties. Mike 98 XR400 96 VFR 76 CB400F > -----Original Message----- > From: Wayne Edelen [SMTP:wayne@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 3:27 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Winter bike maintenance > > On Wed, 28 Jan 2004, Mike Bartman wrote: > > > One other point, once you are up over 212 degrees, you need to keep it > > there for a bit to boil out the water, right? If it takes 20 minutes to > > get up to temp, a minimum run for de-watering might be 30 or 40 minutes? > > Good point. > > -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 28 15:27:20 2004 Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 15:27:42 -0500 To: Paul Wilson , Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Haiku :-\ At 03:12 PM 1/28/04 -0500, Paul Wilson wrote: >DC snow plows nil >Alas, bikes parked at curbside >Thursday: ride to work? Pretty good! Beats: Bike parked at curbside. DC snow plows do their work. Bike parked in tree top. >Snow haiku stupid >At extremes by PMS >Please do stop me now Umm..."Parked Moto Syndrome", right? Ok, Paul, no more Haiku for you! Temps are up, snow is melting, streets will be clear soon enough. (Did that do it? :^) -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 28 15:29:14 2004 Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 15:32:15 -0500 To: Michael Lynch , "'Wayne Edelen'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: RE: Winter bike maintenance Good point. Temperature is the measure of average kinetic energy, and you'll get evaporation as soon as *any* of the water molecules have enough to depart the surface of their immediate locale. Still, the idea about keeping the temp up long enough is valid. If lower temps were as useful, there'd be no reason to run the engine. The higher the temp, the faster the evaporation. -- Mike B. At 03:16 PM 1/28/04 -0500, Michael Lynch wrote: >Water doesn't have to be at 212^[)BM-0F for it to have evaporative properties. > >Mike >98 XR400 >96 VFR >76 CB400F > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Wayne Edelen [SMTP:wayne@XXXXXX] >> Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 3:27 PM >> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >> Subject: Re: Winter bike maintenance >> >> On Wed, 28 Jan 2004, Mike Bartman wrote: >> >> > One other point, once you are up over 212 degrees, you need to keep it >> > there for a bit to boil out the water, right? If it takes 20 minutes to >> > get up to temp, a minimum run for de-watering might be 30 or 40 minutes? >> >> Good point. >> >> -- Wayne > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 28 15:46:28 2004 Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 15:46:13 -0500 (EST) From: "Daniel H. Brown" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Winter bike maintenance On Wed, 28 Jan 2004, Michael Lynch wrote: > Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 15:16:40 -0500 > From: Michael Lynch > To: 'Wayne Edelen' , dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Winter bike maintenance > > Water doesn't have to be at 212^[)BM-0F for it to have evaporative properties. Doesn't sublimation usually happen only when going from a solid to a liquid? Or, are you implying that there is enough of a vaccum inside of the engine to lower the boiling point below 212? -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 28 16:42:07 2004 Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 13:41:49 -0800 (PST) From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: 'nother cold bike haiku To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Sean wrote: > Haha. I loved it Troutman... here's mine: > > Seca: snow-covered > Slouched on 25th Street > Not covered, alas (Pet peeve warning!) Nice three line poems, guys, but neither is haiku. Perhaps senryu, but definitely not haiku. DC Cycles chafes White blanket stifles exhausts -- Bartman reigns supreme -- Larry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 28 16:44:51 2004 Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 13:44:36 -0800 (PST) From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Winterized (not) - a counterpoint. To: Leon Begeman Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Leon Begeman Ninja 250 rider: US mail jealous -- Larry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 28 16:48:06 2004 Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 13:47:55 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: RE: Winter bike maintenance To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- "Daniel H. Brown" wrote: > Doesn't sublimation usually happen only when going > from a solid to a > liquid? Or, are you implying that there is enough > of a vaccum inside of > the engine to lower the boiling point below 212? > Hmm, I realize those damned air dryers that attempt to replace paper towels don't work very well, but. . . based on your hypothesis, it isn't possible to dry one's hands unless the air from the dryer is hotter than 212^[)BM-0 F. 212^[)BM-0 isn't a magic number. It just happens to be the temp at which water vapor bubbles appear in liquid water at atmospheric pressure. Water will still evaporate at lower temperatures, but there's a lot more excitement once the boiling point is reached. Is lake effect snow similar to this example? I don't think it has to get above 212^[)BM-0 for that to happen. Leon Ninja 250 rider (lets hope this goes over better than my near-Haiku) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 28 16:58:23 2004 From: Michael Lynch To: "'Daniel H. Brown'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Winter bike maintenance Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 16:59:34 -0500 All I was saying was that the engine didn't have to be hot enough to boil water for evaporation to occur. The process of turning liquid water into vapor occurs below the boiling point, as well as above it. Sublimation could occur if the water was in solid form, sure. The discussion was concerning running the engine to evaporate water. It was implied that the oil needed to be above the boiling point of water to remove the water, which was inaccurate. Mike 98 XR400 96 VFR 76 CB400F > -----Original Message----- > From: Daniel H. Brown [SMTP:brown@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 3:46 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Winter bike maintenance > > On Wed, 28 Jan 2004, Michael Lynch wrote: > > > Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 15:16:40 -0500 > > From: Michael Lynch > > To: 'Wayne Edelen' , dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: RE: Winter bike maintenance > > > > Water doesn't have to be at 212^[)BM-0F for it to have evaporative properties. > > Doesn't sublimation usually happen only when going from a solid to a > liquid? Or, are you implying that there is enough of a vaccum inside of > the engine to lower the boiling point below 212? > > > -- > Dan Brown > brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 28 17:03:51 2004 From: Michael Lynch To: "'Leon Begeman'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Winter bike maintenance Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 17:05:09 -0500 hehe, not only that, but the temperature of the water on your hands would need to reach 212^[)BM-0F for it to evaporate. :-) Mike 98 XR400 96 VFR 76 CB400F > -----Original Message----- > From: Leon Begeman [SMTP:mriderleon@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 4:48 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Winter bike maintenance > > --- "Daniel H. Brown" wrote: > > Doesn't sublimation usually happen only when going > > from a solid to a > > liquid? Or, are you implying that there is enough > > of a vaccum inside of > > the engine to lower the boiling point below 212? > > > Hmm, I realize those damned air dryers that attempt to > replace paper towels don't work very well, but. . . > based on your hypothesis, it isn't possible to dry > one's hands unless the air from the dryer is hotter > than 212^[)BM-0 F. > > 212^[)BM-0 isn't a magic number. It just happens to be the > temp at which water vapor bubbles appear in liquid > water at atmospheric pressure. Water will still > evaporate at lower temperatures, but there's a lot > more excitement once the boiling point is reached. > > Is lake effect snow similar to this example? I don't > think it has to get above 212^[)BM-0 for that to happen. > > > Leon > Ninja 250 rider > (lets hope this goes over better than my near-Haiku) > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! > http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 28 17:04:38 2004 Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 17:04:33 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: 'nother cold bike haiku -----Original Message----- From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" Nice three line poems, guys, but neither is haiku. Perhaps senryu, but definitely not haiku. DC Cycles chafes White blanket stifles exhausts -- Bartman reigns supreme -- Larry In answer to Larry - Pedantry no vice It sure beats contemplating so little riding Paul in DC __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 28 17:09:44 2004 From: Michael Lynch To: "'Leon Begeman'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Was: Winter bike maintenance, NOW: air dryers Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 17:10:54 -0500 Oh, and another thing. How are you supposed to wash your face and freshen up when all they give you is those dryers? Don't they know they are the daily wash station for road trippers? Haven't done it yet, but have been tempted to stick my face under there instead of using my shirt. Don't they know what an inconvenience this is? :-) Mike 98 XR400 96 VFR 76 CB400F > -----Original Message----- > From: Leon Begeman [SMTP:mriderleon@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 4:48 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Winter bike maintenance > > --- "Daniel H. Brown" wrote: > > Doesn't sublimation usually happen only when going > > from a solid to a > > liquid? Or, are you implying that there is enough > > of a vaccum inside of > > the engine to lower the boiling point below 212? > > > Hmm, I realize those damned air dryers that attempt to > replace paper towels don't work very well, but. . . > based on your hypothesis, it isn't possible to dry > one's hands unless the air from the dryer is hotter > than 212^[)BM-0 F. > > 212^[)BM-0 isn't a magic number. It just happens to be the > temp at which water vapor bubbles appear in liquid > water at atmospheric pressure. Water will still > evaporate at lower temperatures, but there's a lot > more excitement once the boiling point is reached. > > Is lake effect snow similar to this example? I don't > think it has to get above 212^[)BM-0 for that to happen. > > > Leon > Ninja 250 rider > (lets hope this goes over better than my near-Haiku) > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! > http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 28 17:18:11 2004 Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 17:17:54 -0500 (EST) From: "Daniel H. Brown" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Winter bike maintenance On Wed, 28 Jan 2004, Michael Lynch wrote: > Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 16:59:34 -0500 > From: Michael Lynch > To: "'Daniel H. Brown'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Winter bike maintenance > > All I was saying was that the engine didn't have to be hot enough to boil > water for evaporation to occur. The process of turning liquid water into > vapor occurs below the boiling point, as well as above it. Sublimation > could occur if the water was in solid form, sure. The discussion was > concerning running the engine to evaporate water. It was implied that the > oil needed to be above the boiling point of water to remove the water, which > was inaccurate. I wasn't being very serious... > Mike > 98 XR400 > 96 VFR > 76 CB400F > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Daniel H. Brown [SMTP:brown@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 3:46 PM > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: RE: Winter bike maintenance > > > > On Wed, 28 Jan 2004, Michael Lynch wrote: > > > > > Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 15:16:40 -0500 > > > From: Michael Lynch > > > To: 'Wayne Edelen' , dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > > Subject: RE: Winter bike maintenance > > > > > > Water doesn't have to be at 212^[)BM-0F for it to have evaporative properties. > > > > Doesn't sublimation usually happen only when going from a solid to a > > liquid? Or, are you implying that there is enough of a vaccum inside of > > the engine to lower the boiling point below 212? > > > > > > -- > > Dan Brown > > brown@XXXXXX > > -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 28 17:27:26 2004 Subject: Pre-flight check Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 17:28:47 -0500 From: "Julian Halton" To: An icy wind blows, Hands curled into claws, lower back howling in agony you assume the most awkward of positions. The rubber piece seems to jump from your hand of its own volition and roll into the two foot puddle behind the idling minivan. Fumbling to make the connection, a loud hiss is heard as even more precious air leaks from your tires. That 15 dollar tire pressure gauge you bought at the auto show registers 21 psi and then 27 psi when you recheck it. Why, oh why is maintaining and verifying your tire pressure such a difficult task? Where is the accuracy and ease? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 28 17:28:02 2004 Subject: RE: Winter bike maintenance, NOW: air dryers Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 17:27:53 -0500 From: "Verde, Robert" To: "Michael Lynch" , "Leon Begeman" , I've found they can be a great way to rewarm the core temp after a cold ride; put jacket sleeve over the air nozzle and hit button until toasty! Robert -----Original Message----- From: Michael Lynch [mailto:MLynch@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 5:11 PM To: 'Leon Begeman'; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Was: Winter bike maintenance, NOW: air dryers Oh, and another thing. How are you supposed to wash your face and freshen up when all they give you is those dryers? Don't they know they are the daily wash station for road trippers? Haven't done it yet, but have been tempted to stick my face under there instead of using my shirt. Don't they know what an inconvenience this is? :-) Mike 98 XR400 96 VFR 76 CB400F From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 28 17:51:32 2004 Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 14:51:24 -0800 (PST) From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Winterized (not) - a counterpoint. To: Leon Begeman Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX You should -- you wrote 12/17ths of it. 8;) -- Larry --- Leon Begeman wrote: > Thanks. I like that one. > > Leon. > --- "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" wrote: > > Leon Begeman > > Ninja 250 rider: > > US mail jealous > > > > -- Larry > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. > > Try it! > > http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! > http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 28 17:55:43 2004 Subject: One more for y'all Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 17:57:04 -0500 From: "Julian Halton" To: Which film has the best moto footage of all time?? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 28 18:09:53 2004 Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 15:09:44 -0800 (PST) From: Hugh Caldwell Subject: Re: One more for y'all To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX On Any Sunday Matrix 2 --- Julian Halton wrote: > > Which film has the best moto footage of all time?? > ===== Hugh Caldwell http://www.twowheelsgood.net __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 28 18:14:26 2004 From: "Sean" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 18:13:55 -0500 Subject: Re: One more for y'all X-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information Kill Bill ...and I second the vote for Matrix 2 Hugh Caldwell wrote: > On Any Sunday > Matrix 2 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 28 18:39:44 2004 Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 18:39:27 -0500 To: "Julian Halton" , From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: One more for y'all At 05:57 PM 1/28/04 -0500, Julian Halton wrote: > >Which film has the best moto footage of all time?? First, define "best"... :^) -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 28 18:39:46 2004 Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 18:37:19 -0500 To: Michael Lynch , "'Leon Begeman'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Was: Winter bike maintenance, NOW: air dryers At 05:10 PM 1/28/04 -0500, Michael Lynch wrote: >Oh, and another thing. How are you supposed to wash your face and freshen >up when all they give you is those dryers? Don't they know they are the >daily wash station for road trippers? Haven't done it yet, but have been >tempted to stick my face under there instead of using my shirt. Don't they >know what an inconvenience this is? :-) It's really hard to blow your nose on one too... And how do they manage to burn your skin without actually drying it first? -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 28 18:43:40 2004 Subject: RE: One more for y'all Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 18:45:02 -0500 From: "Julian Halton" To: "Mike Bartman" , - I enjoyed the bike scenes in Black Rain and how the motorcycle tied into what Douglas's character stood for. On the other hand, I thought the cheesy digi-effects of Torque was part of the most wasted hour and a half of my life in ten years. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 28 18:49:49 2004 From: Jason Picton To: "'Julian Halton'" , Mike Bartman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: One more for y'all Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 18:49:31 -0500 http://www.fastermovie.com but it's a documentary - so does it count..... Jason I. Picton, Senior Systems Administrator MCSE (NT 4.0 & 2000), MCP+I, MCP, American Chemical Society (www.acs.org) 1155 16th Street NW - Washington DC 20036 Phone: 202-452-2117 Fax: 202-872-4519 Email: j_picton@XXXXXX -----Original Message----- From: Julian Halton [mailto:julian@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 6:45 PM To: Mike Bartman; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: One more for y'all - I enjoyed the bike scenes in Black Rain and how the motorcycle tied into what Douglas's character stood for. On the other hand, I thought the cheesy digi-effects of Torque was part of the most wasted hour and a half of my life in ten years. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 28 21:59:14 2004 Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 21:59:18 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: RE: One more for y'all At 06:45 PM 1/28/2004, Julian Halton wrote: >On the other hand, I thought the cheesy digi-effects of Torque was part >of the most wasted hour and a half of my life in ten years. I TiVo'd Biker Boyz last night just to catch the cool biking scenes. I was even disappointed with that. Awful movie. _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 28 22:44:23 2004 Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 19:44:16 -0800 (PST) From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: One more for y'all To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Sean wrote: > Kill Bill > ...and I second the vote for Matrix 2 > > Hugh Caldwell wrote: > > On Any Sunday > > Matrix 2 Let's not forget The Great Escape, for all the old-timers and McQueen fanatics in the crowd. -- Larry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 29 08:01:52 2004 Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 08:01:37 -0500 From: Tom To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Pre-flight check Julian Halton wrote: > >An icy wind blows, Hands curled into claws, lower back howling in agony >you assume the most awkward of positions. The rubber piece seems to >jump from your hand of its own volition and roll into the two foot >puddle behind the idling minivan. Fumbling to make the connection, a >loud hiss is heard as even more precious air leaks from your tires. That >15 dollar tire pressure gauge you bought at the auto show registers 21 >psi and then 27 psi when you recheck it. > >Why, oh why is maintaining and verifying your tire pressure such a >difficult task? Where is the accuracy and ease? > > > I've seen a number of these (http://www.ztechnik.com/smartire/ and others) internal tire pressure monitors being advertised. I have heard nothing on if they work at all. Tom de '98 VTR. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 29 09:50:08 2004 Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 09:50:02 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Winter riding Now here's some *real* winter riding. How about a wintertime beach run to the Barents Sea?? http://www.allroadtour.fi/barents2003/index.htm The VF started up this morning with one push of the button. I eased her over the little crusty snow mound on our street, through about 100 yards of crud in the street and finally to wet pavement. Paul in DC 95 VFR - 86 VF500F From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 29 12:43:09 2004 Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 12:41:56 -0500 From: Skip To: DC Cycles Subject: lost contact apologies to those not involved... due to a Netscape failure, I lost a 282meg inbox file that had my mail for the past 2 years, including my communications with a person who was giving me a jacket. I was to meet this person last weekend, but was unable to as I lost all communications history with them. so, if you were giving me a jacket last weekend, and I didn't show up, it's not because I'm a jackass... please contact me. --skip, backing up more often "It's not a question of *if* you'll lose data, it's a question of when" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 30 10:02:45 2004 Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 10:02:40 -0500 From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: To: Subject: Vintage Racing Seminar - Feb. 7 Interested in vintage Motocross, Trials, or Road Racing? Come on down and meet the folks of Potomac Vintage Riders February 7 at the world famous Cycle Sport complex on Richmond Highway in Alexandria, Virginia. There will be vintage (30 to 40 year-old) bikes on display and in Trials demonstrations. See the flyer with details at: http://potomacvintageriders.com/ > Calendar > The Flyer (in Feb 7 event) The dealership will be offering discounts on parts and accessories and the PVR club will be providing pizza and drinks. Incidentally, we have assurance that the weather will be fabulous. please forward to any lists you think would be appropriate. Thanks! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 30 10:15:12 2004 Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 10:15:57 -0500 From: Peter Hartzler To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: MotorcycleRoads.US: Possibly Interesting Web Site Mail-Followup-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Loop-Detect: 1 All -- While dreaming of milder weather, or at least a time when the sandy spot isn't your best bet for traction, perhaps this site might be worth a visit. This was passed along by a friend, I have no affiliation with it. http://www.motorcycleroads.us/ Regards, Pete. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 30 11:10:26 2004 Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 11:09:25 -0500 From: Skip To: skip@XXXXXX Subject: just dreaming... I sit here at work, fantasizing about a clear spring morning, trees budding that vibrant spring green and blooming, the scent of honeysuckle in the air. I see it all as I enter a nice right hander, leaned well over, but not pushing it, rolling smoothly on the throttle, coming out and coming to verticle, setting up for the left approaching. man and machine, asphalt and avarice, flowing smoothly in a humming, rolling, twisting rhythm. pavement and perfection in long beautiful sigh. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 30 11:39:26 2004 Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 08:39:23 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: just dreaming... To: Skip , DCCycles Skip, you need to buy some winter clothes. Let me try again, this is prose, right, none of this counting syllables stuff? --- Skip wrote: > I sit here at work, fantasizing about a clear spring I sit here at work, remembering a clear winter > morning, trees morning, trees > budding that vibrant spring green and blooming, the shimmering with frost, > scent of honeysuckle in the no scent at all in the cold clear > air. I see it all as I enter a nice right hander, air. I see it all as I enter a nice right hander, > leaned well over, but not leaned ever so slightly over, not > pushing it, rolling smoothly on the throttle, coming pushing it, rolling smooothly on the throttle, coming > out and coming to verticle, out to vertical, > setting up for the left approaching. man and setting up for the left approaching. Man and > machine, asphalt and avarice, machine, asphalt, sand and ice > flowing smoothly in a humming, rolling, twisting flowing smoothly in a humming, rolling, twisting > rhythm. pavement and rhythm. Pavement and > perfection in long beautiful sigh. perfection in a long beautiful sigh. > I love riding to work - every day is great. Leon. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 30 11:57:01 2004 Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 08:56:55 -0800 (PST) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Polar Bear Ride.....not They say discretion is the better part of valor (and pusillanimity). Seeing how overnight lows are forecast to be around 10 degrees and a forecast high of 25 tomorrow, I'm not inclined to do a long ride tomorrow. Then there's the snow left over from this week, frozen melt water in the shadows, etc. Accordingly, I won't be leading a ride on the back roads of Western Maryland. I do not, however, have exclusive rights to the concept, so if other folks still wanna do it, have at it. :) We can try again for Feb. 7th, if anyone's interested. Paul in DC 95 VFR - 86 VF500F From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 30 12:20:52 2004 From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Cc: "'DC Lynch Michael'" , "'DCPaul Wilson'" , "'DC Bartman Mike'" Subject: Polar Bear ride Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 12:26:03 -0500 1 of 3: Polar Bear Ride still on for tomorrow? If yes, where and when? Volvoed up to Frederick via back roads yesterday. Some ice patches but plows and sun have done a pretty good job. Nuthammers beware. Vee-fours under tarp Snow and ice glisten on top driveway and street too Brow furrows to think Wait another day or so? thirty-first is nigh Winter bike maintenance 2 of 3. Evaporation: Michael Lynch nailed it: " . . .Temperature is the measure of average kinetic energy, and you'll get evaporation as soon as *any* of the water molecules have enough to depart the surface of their immediate locale." Key word is "any". For instance, a cup of coffee will dry out quickly if it's kept hot or it will eventually dry out at room temperature. Whenever ANY molecule gets enough energy to escape the body of water -- it will. Because . . . the warmer the body of water, the higher the probability that individual molecules will attain the level of energy needed to escape. But . . . Will the molecule escape or be bounced back? That's where humidity and altitude (A.K.A. "Free mean flight path") comes in. The more "stuff" above the body of water, the higher the probability the escapee will be bounced back. The fewer "stuff" above the surface, the higher the probability that it'll escape. Thus, in drier or higher environments, less "average kinetic energy" is needed for a noticeable amount of escapees. ("Ah ha " sez Bartman as he considers a thread on pressure cookers, Arizona "dry heat" and boiling eggs in Denver ;^) Therefore, . . . 3 of 3: Damn air dryers and tepid water. . . . whisking away recently escaped molecules with a stream of air reduces the probability they'll be bounced back on your wet hand. But, you still can't blow your nose with the damn things. My complaint is the tepid water in State roadside toilets. When it's 35C/95F out, I want to splash cold water on my fevered brow, not tepid water. Sure I can wet my bandana, flap it around (to lessen the "average kinetic energy") and then wipe my face but heck, I want instant gratification . . . and cold handfuls of it. Carl in Bethesda (Just wrote layman's description of why jerky manufacturers need to apply the humidity requirements to the time and temperature heat treatments in Appendix A ) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 30 12:45:01 2004 Subject: RE: Polar Bear Ride.....not Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 12:44:49 -0500 From: "Verde, Robert" To: "Paul Wilson" , Although I'll be riding this weekend (and rode today...) I second the lack of enthusiasm for an extended ride on Saturday. It's still kind of hard to tell the difference between patch of snow (bad) and salt residue (better) on the black-top. Conversely, if anyone wants to organize another Bike Night equivalent, gathering at some congenial dining establishment, I'd be more inclined to make the trip! Robert 83 VF750F -----Original Message----- From: Paul Wilson [mailto:viffermaniac@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 11:57 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Polar Bear Ride.....not They say discretion is the better part of valor (and pusillanimity). Seeing how overnight lows are forecast to be around 10 degrees and a forecast high of 25 tomorrow, I'm not inclined to do a long ride tomorrow. Then there's the snow left over from this week, frozen melt water in the shadows, etc. Accordingly, I won't be leading a ride on the back roads of Western Maryland. I do not, however, have exclusive rights to the concept, so if other folks still wanna do it, have at it. :) We can try again for Feb. 7th, if anyone's interested. Paul in DC 95 VFR - 86 VF500F From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 30 12:56:15 2004 From: "Timothy Duffy" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Newbie Buyer Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 17:56:06 +0000 Hello All, I'm looking to buy my first motorcycle this spring. I took a two-day motorcycle trip with some friends in Vietnam last November and have spent the entire winter daydreaming about weekend motorcycle cruises. Do you guys have any suggestions for buying used bikes here in the DC area? What are the best sources? Are there any dealers that sell used bikes? I'm looking to spend about $1000. What can I expect to get for that? Any advice you all could give is appreciated. Thanks, Tim _________________________________________________________________ Let the new MSN Premium Internet Software make the most of your high-speed experience. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=byoa/prem&ST=1 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 30 13:08:52 2004 Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 13:08:43 -0500 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: Newbie Buyer To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Tim the Noob introduced himself: >Hello All, > >I'm looking to buy my first motorcycle this spring. I took a >two-day motorcycle trip with some friends in Vietnam last >November and have spent the entire winter daydreaming about >weekend motorcycle cruises. > >Do you guys have any suggestions for buying used bikes here >in the DC area? >What are the best sources? Are there any dealers that sell >used bikes? [Dave] Auto trader & the Washington Post come to mind. Keep an eye on the list here too, someobody might decide to offload a backup bike cheap. >I'm looking to spend about $1000. What can I expect to get >for that? [Dave] Probably something you're immediately going to have to put another few dollars into to either get it inspected, or road worthy, or both. I bought a v45 magna for my 1st bike about 10 years ago for $600. I then had to spend about 200 for various inspection and road worthyness bills, and save for a repair. Good bike though, I'd buy another one for that price. Plenty of other good models to choose from out there too. Definitely get good gear for around here. Skin grafts do not look cool. Neither does road rash. I suggest budgeting for 1: Helmet 2: Gloves (you probably underestimate your hands' importance) 3: Boots 4: riding suit 5: bike 6: fixes / inspection for bike in that order. HTH and welcome to the list. Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 30 13:37:59 2004 Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 10:37:56 -0800 (PST) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Re: Fire on Suheil Road 1-20 9pm To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Mike Bartman wrote: > At 11:34 PM 1/20/04 -0500, Troutman wrote: > >This evening my trash can caught fire. Fortunately a neighbor (name > >unknown) came and notified us just as we noticed smoke in the living > > Yow! Glad you caught it early on and limited damage! > > >In the future I will be using a > >metal ash can to store the ashes for several weeks before disposing of > >them. Something we should all consider with the long cold winter > ahead. > > Sounds like a great plan. Only improvement might be to try to get an > airtight metal can. > > I don't use my fireplace all that often, so I tend to just leave the > ashes > in there until spring... :) > We don't either. Since the thermostat is downstairs, using the fireplace just cools down the rest of the house. Same with watching TV downstairs. The TV is under and to the right of the thermostat with a big speaker hanging on the wall to the left of it. The warmth causes the thermostat think it's warmer in the house. We looked in to haveing the second thermostat activated (using zones) but it'd cost 1,500 (average of the estimates). We didn't think it was worth all that :-) > > -- Mike B. > Carl ===== 02 Harley FXSTI 95 Suzuki GSXR 750W 76 Honda Chopper (in progress) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 30 13:44:03 2004 From: HiCapMag@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 13:43:53 EST Subject: Tire Pressure Monitor To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > I've seen a number of these (http://www.ztechnik.com/smartire/ and > others) internal tire pressure monitors being advertised. I have heard > nothing on if they work at all. Delurking out of residual bitterness, I can advise you NOT to buy any tire pressure monitor system that replaces your valve caps. I put a set of the little "TireMinders" that replace the valve cap and show red-yellow-green based on preset pressure on the truck. Turns out the seals don't hold below 15 or so degrees, so imagine my surprise when I went to leave hunting camp and saw the truck sitting on four flats in various stages of progression. In a snowstorm, with no tire pump within twenty miles. The little gauges were green as could be, to boot. Once I finally got home I wrapped the POS's up in toilet paper and sent them to Bob Sikorsky, the automotive writer who had given them a nice write up, told him why he was wrong and never saw another word about it. Let this, then, be my revenge. HCM 1999 CBR 1100XX 1994 VMax