From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 1 10:31:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h01FVXO7018641; Wed, 1 Jan 2003 10:31:33 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h01FVR51018631; Wed, 1 Jan 2003 10:31:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [4.65.188.177] From: "Adam Wah" To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Happy New Year Date: Wed, 01 Jan 2003 15:18:48 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Jan 2003 15:18:48.0384 (UTC) FILETIME=[153F1400:01C2B1A9] Happy New Year to all! Waiting on parts... Took the bike down for a month or two. Cables, spiffing up some rough details, brake job, general torque checks, fluids etc... Missed a great riding day on the 31st... saw a lot of bikes out. My Nephew stopped over with his "new" Kaw 500 (twin) needs a little work. Other than that -- it's raining, warm and the games come on in a few hours. Think I'll grab a drink... is 10am too soon? aw _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 2 06:25:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h02BPoO7026733; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 06:25:50 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h02BPmT4026723; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 06:25:48 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Jennthebiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <186.13be387e.2b457bb5@aol.com> Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 06:25:41 EST Subject: OT: Lemon Laws in MD -- Help? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX CC: jdburkett@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10637 Hi everyone. I really could use some car help! This is going to be a long one, but I appreciate any advise I can get! It starts with Christmas day where I was in PA with all the ice/snow. I was going slow down a hill, hit some ice, snow, then guardrails at the bottom of the hill where the road turns and my car didnt. After about 30 minutes of trying, my dad and brother n law pulled my car out of the guardrails. My car was 'driveable'. The day after Christmas, I drove it 230 miles back to Baltimore --- bumper in the backseat/trunk, hood tied down with a big red strap 'just incase', and one headlight busted. All 2900$ in damages are covered by insurance. Praise the Lord! I decide that I would like to trade in my 98 Mitsubishi Mirage with 72k miles for a 2000 Mitsubishi Mirage with only 40k miles and a warranty. I heard a clunking sound after leaving the dealership but I didn't pay much attention to it. (DUH!) Within 10 miles of the dealership, the front drivers side brand new tire blew out on the Baltimore Beltway. I got to the side of the road and immediately called the dealership. We agreed that I would bring the tire and rim over on Thursday to get it looked at; however, the salesguy mentioned putting a tire from my old Mirage on my new one. I declined and told him it was necessary to put a new tire on since that's how I purchased it. A very nice man and his wife stopped and helped me and completed the tire changing task in about 4 minutes! So, I continue driving about another 4 miles to work paying more attention to various sounds since there's obviously something wrong with the car. The clunking sound was even worse! I felt more unsafe driving this car than any other car that I've owned (and I've had some real beater cars!). Once I got back to work, I called the dealer expressing my unsafe concerns. The salesperson told me to make a list of things wrong, bring it in on Thursday, and they'd give a loaner car to me until the repairs were complete. Fair enough; however, I did warn him that this whole situation made me want to take the newer Mirage back and pick up my crunched up Mirage! On my commute home ( .2 miles) I did not feel safe at all! So, I called the dealer again. My salesguy already went home (it was about 5:30pm on New Years Eve). After being on hold, the person I was speaking to came back, said to drive it back to the dealership that night if I could and I would get a loaner car so I would feel safe. My salesguy came back to make sure I was OK and I did receive a loaner car. I would really like my old crunched car back. No warranty on my old car seems to be better than a mechanical nightmare of the newer car. Where do I stand legally on making this happen? Is this a wise decision? Please CC: my work email address jdburkett@XXXXXX as I won't have access to jennthebiker until after this situation is already taken care of. Thanks in advance, jenn ps --- i would love to go bike only but it seems i have a tough time in the snow/ice in a car these days. im not sure how well that would be on the bike! :) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 2 07:58:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h02CwwO7027642; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 07:58:58 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h02Cwv6x027632; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 07:58:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <004b01c2b25e$b31c1ff0$9865fea9@Godzilla> Reply-To: "S. Russell \(Mongo\)" From: "S. Russell \(Mongo\)" To: , Cc: References: <186.13be387e.2b457bb5@aol.com> Subject: Re: Lemon Laws in MD -- Help? Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 07:57:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 This might be good for you to read, it is some basics on the Maryland lemon laws http://cartalk.cars.com/Got-A-Car/Lemon/States/lemon_maryland.html I had a bad experience with a car once but you unfortunately have to let them attempt to fix it a couple of times for the Lemon Law comes into effect. The arbitration for the Lemon Law is not a cake walk also. Good luck. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 6:25 AM Subject: OT: Lemon Laws in MD -- Help? > Hi everyone. > > I really could use some car help! This is going to be a long one, but I > appreciate any advise I can get! > > It starts with Christmas day where I was in PA with all the ice/snow. I was > going slow down a hill, hit some ice, snow, then guardrails at the bottom of > the hill where the road turns and my car didnt. After about 30 minutes of > trying, my dad and brother n law pulled my car out of the guardrails. My car > was 'driveable'. The day after Christmas, I drove it 230 miles back to > Baltimore --- bumper in the backseat/trunk, hood tied down with a big red > strap 'just incase', and one headlight busted. All 2900$ in damages are > covered by insurance. Praise the Lord! > > I decide that I would like to trade in my 98 Mitsubishi Mirage with 72k miles > for a 2000 Mitsubishi Mirage with only 40k miles and a warranty. I heard a > clunking sound after leaving the dealership but I didn't pay much attention > to it. (DUH!) Within 10 miles of the dealership, the front drivers side > brand new tire blew out on the Baltimore Beltway. I got to the side of the > road and immediately called the dealership. We agreed that I would bring the > tire and rim over on Thursday to get it looked at; however, the salesguy > mentioned putting a tire from my old Mirage on my new one. I declined and > told him it was necessary to put a new tire on since that's how I purchased > it. A very nice man and his wife stopped and helped me and completed the > tire changing task in about 4 minutes! So, I continue driving about another > 4 miles to work paying more attention to various sounds since there's > obviously something wrong with the car. The clunking sound was even worse! > I felt more unsafe driving this car than any other car that I've owned (and > I've had some real beater cars!). Once I got back to work, I called the > dealer expressing my unsafe concerns. The salesperson told me to make a list > of things wrong, bring it in on Thursday, and they'd give a loaner car to me > until the repairs were complete. Fair enough; however, I did warn him that > this whole situation made me want to take the newer Mirage back and pick up > my crunched up Mirage! On my commute home ( .2 miles) I did not feel safe at > all! So, I called the dealer again. My salesguy already went home (it was > about 5:30pm on New Years Eve). After being on hold, the person I was > speaking to came back, said to drive it back to the dealership that night if > I could and I would get a loaner car so I would feel safe. My salesguy came > back to make sure I was OK and I did receive a loaner car. > > I would really like my old crunched car back. No warranty on my old car > seems to be better than a mechanical nightmare of the newer car. Where do I > stand legally on making this happen? Is this a wise decision? > > Please CC: my work email address jdburkett@XXXXXX as I won't have > access to jennthebiker until after this situation is already taken care of. > > Thanks in advance, > jenn > > ps --- i would love to go bike only but it seems i have a tough time in the > snow/ice in a car these days. im not sure how well that would be on the > bike! :) > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 2 08:11:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h02DBoO7028243; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 08:11:50 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h02DBo3K028233; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 08:11:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Electrical Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 08:11:40 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <03010208114022.31872@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hey all, I got the carbs back on the 750 using a cinch strap but it won't start. No spark at the plugs. I've been tracking down potential ignition problems and have three possible targets. 1. Brake light. Some bikes ground through the brake light. If the bulb goes out, the bike won't start. As far as lights, I have the head light, running lights and turn signals. The brake light doesn't seem to be working right. The switch doesn't work. Sometimes the brake light is on and when I pull on the switch it goes out. Some cleaning or replacing may need to be done. 2. Ignition. I have to jiggle it sometimes to get the lights to come on and it goes out by itself at times. I will need to disassemble it and clean the connections. 3. Coils. I checked the resistance through each of the coils; black and white to yellow or black and white to blue show no breaks. The blue and yellow wires show no breaks to the points. From various readings, if the condensors go bad it shows up at the points but they look real clean, almost new. Other comments are to trim the plug wires, use dielectric gel and reconnect the caps. I do have some play so I can trim a half inch (recommended) and try that. My main question to the various boards is what can I check to verify power? Since I'm getting 11v at the points, I'm assuming the coils themselves with regards to the black and white/yellow|blue wires is good and that the ignition is good so brake lights and trimming seem to be the main options. Any thoughts on this? Hey, at 4:56 this morning it was 1/2/03 4:56. Happy New Year. Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 2 09:03:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h02E3cO7029005; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 09:03:38 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h02E3cjC028995; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 09:03:38 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <1a4.e847152.2b45a0ae@aol.com> Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 09:03:26 EST Subject: Re: I need tire irons by Saturday To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 12/31/2002 4:13:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, pattonme@XXXXXX writes: > I had one of those, the threads stripped and the unit was totally > worthless after about 6 tire changes. Hard to believe, I have had mine for many years and used it _way, way_ more then 6 times with no hint of thread stripping. And if they did strip it is just a piece of all thread rod and a couple of nuts, easy to replace. We may not be talking about the same unit. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 2 09:07:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h02E7GO7029536; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 09:07:16 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h02E7G5o029530; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 09:07:16 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <128.1f28892f.2b45a188@aol.com> Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 09:07:04 EST Subject: Re: more on parallel parking ticket To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 12/31/2002 5:51:45 PM Eastern Standard Time, garicao@XXXXXX writes: > Subj: Re: more on parallel parking ticket > To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX > > Interesting point. Don't think I have the time to look into it before I > have to respond to the ticket. You may want to post it and see if anyone > has useful info. OK > PenguinBiker@XXXXXX writes: > > > > > >I believe that federal regulations require accommodations be made for > >motorcycles in any federally funded highways (In part or in whole.) I > >would > >think this would apply to on street parking since this was paid for by > >federal funds also. In other words I think they are required to > >accommodate > >motorcycle parking and may be in violation of those regulations if local > >laws > >prevent motorcycles from parking safely. > John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 2 09:11:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h02EBjO7029586; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 09:11:45 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h02EBj6g029578; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 09:11:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030102141113.92425.qmail@web41108.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 06:11:13 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Lemon Laws in MD -- Help? To: "S. Russell \(Mongo\)" , Jennthebiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: jdburkett@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <004b01c2b25e$b31c1ff0$9865fea9@Godzilla> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii the statutory scheme cited below doesn't apply to used cars. if i were jennthebiker, i would immediately attempt to return the car for a full refund on the grounds that the condition of the car was not, at the time of the sale, as the seller represented it to be (i.e., not in good working condition). jenn: call me if you'd like some actual legal assistance with this matter. 301 913-0060 --tom --- "S. Russell (Mongo)" wrote: > This might be good for you to read, it is some basics on > the Maryland lemon > laws > http://cartalk.cars.com/Got-A-Car/Lemon/States/lemon_maryland.html > > I had a bad experience with a car once but you > unfortunately have to let > them attempt to fix it a couple of times for the Lemon > Law comes into > effect. The arbitration for the Lemon Law is not a cake > walk also. > > Good luck. > > Scott > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Cc: > Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 6:25 AM > Subject: OT: Lemon Laws in MD -- Help? > > > > Hi everyone. > > > > I really could use some car help! This is going to be > a long one, but I > > appreciate any advise I can get! __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 2 09:23:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h02ENhO7030652; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 09:23:43 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h02ENgRK030642; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 09:23:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <004d01c2b26a$e9008c80$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: , References: <128.1f28892f.2b45a188@aol.com> Subject: Re: more on parallel parking ticket Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 09:25:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Just a note on the subject of "federal highways" in the District. The District has about 400 miles of "federal highways." These include the interstate routes 295 and 395 obviously, as well as signed routes US 1, 29 and 50. What most people don't know is it also applies to thoroughfares like Connecticut Ave., 16th St., Independence Ave. and Wisconsin Ave. I doubt this has any bearing on the treatment of motorcycles parked thereon, but it's a little factoid to file away for future use nonetheless. Paul in DC ----- Original Message ----- From: > In a message dated 12/31/2002 5:51:45 PM Eastern Standard Time, > garicao@XXXXXX writes: > > > Subj: Re: more on parallel parking ticket > > To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX > > > > Interesting point. Don't think I have the time to look into it before I > > have to respond to the ticket. You may want to post it and see if anyone > > has useful info. > > OK > > > PenguinBiker@XXXXXX writes: > > > > > > > > >I believe that federal regulations require accommodations be made for > > >motorcycles in any federally funded highways (In part or in whole.) I > > >would > > >think this would apply to on street parking since this was paid for by > > >federal funds also. In other words I think they are required to > > >accommodate > > >motorcycle parking and may be in violation of those regulations if local > > >laws > > >prevent motorcycles from parking safely. > > > > > > John. > PenguinBiker@XXXXXX > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 2 09:47:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h02ElQO7031270; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 09:47:26 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h02ElPC6031262; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 09:47:25 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E145242.BCC0B921@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2003 09:52:50 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tom Gimer CC: "S. Russell (Mongo)" , Jennthebiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, jdburkett@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Lemon Laws in MD -- Help? References: <20030102141113.92425.qmail@web41108.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Another note for jennthebiker. Carry a motorhead with you to look over a prospective used car purchase, or better yet, insist that you be allowed to have a skilled mechanic of your choice inspect the vehicle. If the dealership balks, flip them off and flee. Bill Tom Gimer wrote: > the statutory scheme cited below doesn't apply to used > cars. > > if i were jennthebiker, i would immediately attempt to > return the car for a full refund on the grounds that the > condition of the car was not, at the time of the sale, as > the seller represented it to be (i.e., not in good working > condition). > > jenn: call me if you'd like some actual legal assistance > with this matter. 301 913-0060 --tom From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 2 10:01:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h02F12O7031867; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 10:01:02 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h02F11jJ031857; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 10:01:01 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 10:00:59 -0500 Message-Id: <200301021000.AA111739298@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: "List-dc cycles" Subject: killer driver pleads Jan 10 in Hayward, CA X-Mailer: Here's more info on the deadly wreck caused by a speeding SUV. I think attending the hearing would be interesting, though I don't know if you would have standing to speak for or against the plea. I think writing the judge is an excellent idea. Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "George Jercich" Reply-To: M-riders@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 08:08:30 -0800 FYI - This is a Forward from another List: From: "Tom Melchild" )B  Reply-To fjr1300@XXXXXX )B  To: FJR1300 Mailing List )B  Subject: Help needed in Bay Area )B  Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 17:45:32 -0800 )B  As some of you know, I lost a very good friend last winter. Gary Kunich was great guy who I worked on the Cal 24 rally with for several years. Last Jan. 11th, he was riding his K75 to work in Livermore on Vasco Road. He encountered very thick fog, to the point that the traffic had stopped due to almost zero visibility. He did exactly what we all are told to do in a situation like this, he stopped behind a truck on the right side of the lane, next to the white line. While he was stopped, a woman, Niki Moore from Clayton, in 3/4 ton Dodge Pickup struck him at between 60 and 70 mph. The force of the crash drug him, trapped under the truck for over 70 feet, broke the motorcycle into 3 pieces, and he died in an inferno when the truck burst into flames. After the crash it became known that at least two people had called 911 from cell phones the morning of the crash reporting the outrageous behavior of this woman in the minutes before impact. She had been passing cars on the shoulder at over 75 mph. At the seen of the accident, witness' said that while Gary was trapped under her burning truck, she was retrieving her cell phone and papers. Now after, almost a year, the woman who caused the death of our friend, and fellow motorcycle rider, is trying desperately to avoid jail time. They presented a plea agreement that would avoid ANY jail time in exchange for a guilty plea. The offer was basically 5 years probation, 60 days in jail, and after one year, the charges dropped from felony to misdeamenor. The prosecutor would not accept the plea, so she and her attorney went to a judge in Pleasanton last Wed. The judge rejected the plea. Now, she and her attorney are trying again with a different judge in Hayward. Now, if this weren't enough, here is what her Attorney, Louis Goodman was quoted as saying in the paper last Thursday: "This is a tragic traffic accident. As someone who's ridden a motorcycle many, many times, it's a risk all motorcyclists take," he said. "I'm not saying there's anything the motorcyclist could have done in a rear-end collision, but there would probably not have been the same result if he was in a vehicle." Is this crazy? I guess according to Mr. Goodman we should all be driving only 3/4 ton pickups so we can be protected from the actions of people like his client. What I am asking is for anyone who can, come to the Hayward Hall of Justice on Friday, Jan. 10th at 9:00AM. This is the time that Judge Kurtz is scheduled to hear Mr. Goodman try to get him to approve the plea agreement that another judge and the prosecutor would not. We need as large a showing as possible. The address is: Hayward Hall of Justice 24405 Amador Street Hayward, CA 94544 It is on the corner of W. Winton and Amador, approx. two blocks east of I880 on W. Winton. The hearing will be in room 513. If you can't make it, if you can send a letter to Judge Robert Kurtz at the same address. Tell him that you as a member of the community would be outraged if this woman got anything less than jail time for her behavior. Thanks for your help! Tom Melchild George Jercich >From: "Chris Norloff" >Reply-To: M-riders@XXXXXX >To: >Subject: Re: [M-Riders] Negligent driver kills >Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 11:30:21 -0500 > >I doubt letters will make a difference to the lawyer. They might make a >difference to those who read the paper, and possbilty to the new judge >hearing the case. > >It's understood that defense lawyers will say ANYTHING if they think it >will help them win the case, but that's in court not in the real world. I >think they should know that real people will protest and call them on it >when they utter these inanities in public. > >Anyway, not much one person can do but write letters and try to make a >little change. > >Or not. :-) > >Chris Norloff > >---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- >From: Art Ellison >Reply-To: M-riders@XXXXXX >Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 10:25:58 -0800 > > >I wonder if a bunch of letters will make a difference? Maybe a letter to > >the lawyer who is so upset that his client might be found negligent??? > > > >Art > > > >At 12:49 PM 12/21/2002 -0500, you wrote: > > > >>Dear Editor, > >> > >>I'm responding to the article on Dec 19 about the driver of a 8,000 lb. > >>truck that caused a six vehicle wreck and killed a man on a motorcycle. > >>http://www.bayarea.com/mld/mercurynews/news/local/4772961.htm > >> > >>This driver was driving 60 mph (88 feet per second) in 100-foot >visibility > >>fog when she caused the wrecks and the death. The driver's attorney is > >>quoted as stating "It's a tragic traffic accident,'' but ``it's a risk > >>that motorcyclists take.'' > >> > >>The attorney's cavalier attitude toward a negligent, killer driver is > >>appalling. Would he blame a pedestrian for taking a risk by walking in > >>public? Would he blame a jogger for being hit by a reckless driver? If >it > >>was a child killed would he blame the child for this adult's actions? I > >>doubt it. > >> > >>This driver is an example of a deadly dangerous driver. A driver with >no > >>regard for the safety of anybody on our public roads. This driver >should > >>be banned from operating vehicles on our roads, after well-deserved jail > >>time for her criminal negligence. > >> > >>Chris Norloff > >>508 N. West St. > >>Falls Church, VA > >>22046 > >>chris@XXXXXX > >> > >> > >>The address of the judge who will be hearing the transferred case of the > >>negligent killer driver is: > >> > >>The Honorable Robert Kurtz > >>Superior Court of California, County of Alameda > >>Part 513 > >>Hayward Hall of Justice > >>24405 Amador Street > >>Hayward, CA 94544 > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>This is the M-Riders mailing list. 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To unsubscribe or change options, go to http://host.safe-hosting.com/mailman/listinfo/m-riders_remuda.net Web site at http://www.geocities.com/m_riders Photo gallery & calendar at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mriders2 - email chris@XXXXXX for access to avoid a rude Yahoo message. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 2 10:16:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h02FGVO7032439; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 10:16:31 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h02FGUnR032429; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 10:16:30 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <200301021515.QBA61741@vmms2.verisignmail.com> Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 10:15:48 -0500 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: Lemon Laws in MD -- Help? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mirapoint Webmail Direct 2.9.3.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >Another note for jennthebiker. Carry a motorhead with you to look over >a prospective used car purchase, or better yet, insist that you be >allowed to have a skilled mechanic of your choice inspect the vehicle. [Dave] This sage advice should apply to all here, not just JTB, and not just to cages. If the mechanic says "nothing wrong" or repairs not totalling more than (insert reasonable figure here), prospective buyer pays & agrees to buy. Else, prospective buyer walks and seller is left to deal with the bill. I've not had trouble using this method buying used, with my Ninja, or my old Cobra. Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 2 10:32:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h02FW5O7000563; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 10:32:05 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h02FW2cp000553; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 10:32:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <010401c2b274$7493f800$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Dave Yates" , References: <200301021515.QBA61741@vmms2.verisignmail.com> Subject: Re: Lemon Laws in MD -- Help? Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 10:33:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Yep, although I did it a little differently. The last used cage I bought was seriously overdue for a timing belt change. Before completing the purchase, I took it to my mechanic, he gave the car a thorough going over and a clean bill of health, and a written estimate for the timing belt change. The seller knocked the timing belt change off our agreed price and we completed the sale. At the very least I'd take along a mechanically savvy friend to "kick the tires" for any used vehicle purchase and as a reality check to put the brakes on an impulsive decision. If it were me, if a seller doesn't allow test rides/drives or allow a complete mechanical inspection at a mechanic of my choice, I walk. Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - IBA # 12143 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Yates" > > >Another note for jennthebiker. Carry a motorhead with you > to look over > >a prospective used car purchase, or better yet, insist that > you be > >allowed to have a skilled mechanic of your choice inspect > the vehicle. > > [Dave] This sage advice should apply to all here, not just > JTB, and not just to cages. If the mechanic says "nothing > wrong" or repairs not totalling more than (insert reasonable > figure here), prospective buyer pays & agrees to buy. Else, > prospective buyer walks and seller is left to deal with the > bill. I've not had trouble using this method buying used, > with my Ninja, or my old Cobra. > > > Dave Yates > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 2 10:50:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h02FoHO7001182; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 10:50:17 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h02FoH4P001172; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 10:50:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 Subject: heated gloves question Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 10:50:10 -0500 Message-ID: <92EE52C13F8034478B4B9F85DA67A66640927D@rnc1.rnchq.org> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Really Good Advice Thread-Index: AcKbxF5RJiIEmHrTQ1ieu6923TOjfwWsKU6A From: "Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services" To: "DCCycles" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id h02FoFO7001160 After freazing my hands a couple of times, I decided to buy heated glove liners from Kreamer Technologies (https://tp-commerce.techpro.com/kreamer/cartsys/shopexd.asp?id=48) This way, I can use my Teknic Speedstar gloves for maximum protection. That said, the liners come with a battery pack (no batteries). I can certainly use the batteries, but I would prefer to hook this up to my bike battery. Can someone give me some pointers on how to do this? I have two left hands :( Tbe power draw, Pair is 1.25 A @ 12 VDC, 15 Watts. Witold www.witold.org/bike/bike.php3 > -----Original Message----- > From: Custer, Carl [mailto:Carl.Custer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 1:34 PM > To: 'DCCycles' > Cc: 'zetland@XXXXXX'; 'thelostshark@XXXXXX' > Subject: Really Good Advice > > A cheaper alternative could be: > https://tp-commerce.techpro.com/kreamer/cartsys/shopdisplaypro > ducts.asp?id= > I haven't tried these (Already have a pair of Gerbings) > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 2 11:24:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h02GOtO7001886; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 11:24:55 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h02GOsLA001876; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 11:24:54 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <200301021622.QBA70281@vmms2.verisignmail.com> Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 11:22:41 -0500 From: Dave Yates Subject: buying used; was Lemons To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mirapoint Webmail Direct 2.9.3.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Paul put forth: >Yep, although I did it a little differently. The last used cage I bought >was seriously overdue for a timing belt change. Before completing the >purchase, I took it to my mechanic, he gave the car a thorough going over >and a clean bill of health, and a written estimate for the timing belt >change. The seller knocked the timing belt change off our agreed price and >we completed the sale. [Dave] I probably should've added that you shouldn't insist of dictate terms to the buyer; A little courtesey goes a long way. I had one guy come to look at a truck I was selling. I was impressed at the thoroughness of his inspection, but that's about where it ended. After the inspection, he said something to the effect of 'ok, this is how it's going to work, I'm looking to take over your payments and you will have to pay $$$ up front, sign a legal agreement, etc...' I was honestly taken aback. After about a 20 second pause, I came back with a flat refusal, and an invitation for him to leave immediately, counseled him on wasting a car (truck) seller's time, and informed him that if he screwed up his credit so bad that he couldn't get financed that it was actually his problem, not anyone elses... I think I hurt his feelings.... Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 2 12:56:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h02HuIO7002776; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 12:56:18 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h02HuHQE002766; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 12:56:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <006701c2b288$9c91ea60$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Dave Yates" , References: <200301021622.QBA70281@vmms2.verisignmail.com> Subject: Re: buying used; was Lemons Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 12:58:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Communicating one's intentions and non-negotiable terms up front are a good idea, to avoid any hard feelings or misunderstandings down the road or wasting the seller's (or buyer's) time. Perhaps if this person had poor credit and was operating in a "low liquidity environment" he should have made it clear sooner that he was looking to assume payments and wouldn't be in a position to pay cash. Example - When I've bought bikes, I've made it clear that a test ride will be part of the potential sale, or I won't bother coming out to see the bike. Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - IBA # 12143 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Yates" > Paul put forth: > > >Yep, although I did it a little differently. The last used > cage I bought > >was seriously overdue for a timing belt change. Before > completing the > >purchase, I took it to my mechanic, he gave the car a > thorough going over > >and a clean bill of health, and a written estimate for the > timing belt > >change. The seller knocked the timing belt change off our > agreed price and > >we completed the sale. > > [Dave] I probably should've added that you shouldn't insist > of dictate terms to the buyer; A little courtesey goes a > long way. I had one guy come to look at a truck I was > selling. I was impressed at the thoroughness of his > inspection, but that's about where it ended. After the > inspection, he said something to the effect of 'ok, this is > how it's going to work, I'm looking to take over your > payments and you will have to pay $$$ up front, sign a legal > agreement, etc...' > > I was honestly taken aback. After about a 20 second pause, I > came back with a flat refusal, and an invitation for him to > leave immediately, counseled him on wasting a car (truck) > seller's time, and informed him that if he screwed up his > credit so bad that he couldn't get financed that it was > actually his problem, not anyone elses... I think I hurt his > feelings.... > > > Dave Yates > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 2 13:34:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h02IYsO7003549; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 13:34:54 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h02IYsBJ003539; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 13:34:54 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Jennthebiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <159.19cd87ea.2b45e041@aol.com> Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 13:34:41 EST Subject: update on car saga To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10637 hi everyone i appreciate everyones comments. im just home for lunch so please continue to CC jdburkett@XXXXXX. the tire blew because of a bad valve stem which the sales manager said should have been replaced prior to selling the car. they are still looking into the 'clunk' sound. i voiced my opinion regarding getting my old car back. the sales manager asked to fix the broken parts of the newer car, test drive it, and then make my decision. i've asked for him to provide this in writing. more to come i'm sure.... jtb From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 2 15:13:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h02KDiO7004746; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 15:13:44 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h02KDhib004736; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 15:13:43 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030102201341.5263.qmail@web13502.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 12:13:41 -0800 (PST) From: "Eric M. Winslow" Subject: Re: more on parallel parking ticket To: dc-cycles list In-Reply-To: <3E1192CB.B641A784@patriot.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Actually, I've had good luck dealing with silly DC parking tickets through the mail. The last time, they actually wrote me back, giving me a chance to provide photos of the spot in question. Can't complain about that. Eric M. Winslow '94 KLR 650 --- "William J. Huson" wrote: > Tom Gimer wrote: > > > what does "force majeure" have to do with this situation? > > i thought that expression translated to "act of god," such > > as earthquake, flood, etc. > > > > in my experience, people who write letters rather than > > appearing personally rarely (if ever) have success with > > their defenses. > > Especially when dealing with the DC Gubmint. One has to able to READ > and understand the letter, and we are talking DC Gubmint employees... > > Bill > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 2 15:21:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h02KLDO7005306; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 15:21:13 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h02KLDKt005298; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 15:21:13 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 15:21:11 -0500 Message-Id: <200301021521.AA72679964@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: dc-cycles list Subject: Re: more on parallel parking ticket X-Mailer: Wow! That's pretty amazing. I protested 3 tickets in about 3 years of parking in DC. Two I never heard about again so I assume they were removed (ha ha! But I've sold that bike). One had to do with a "typo" on a temporary tag, and they wrote back that they were satisfied with my explanation and removed the ticket. Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Eric M. Winslow" Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 12:13:41 -0800 (PST) >Actually, I've had good luck dealing with silly DC parking tickets >through the mail. The last time, they actually wrote me back, giving me >a chance to provide photos of the spot in question. > >Can't complain about that. > >Eric M. Winslow >'94 KLR 650 > > >--- "William J. Huson" wrote: >> Tom Gimer wrote: >> >> > what does "force majeure" have to do with this situation? >> > i thought that expression translated to "act of god," such >> > as earthquake, flood, etc. >> > >> > in my experience, people who write letters rather than >> > appearing personally rarely (if ever) have success with >> > their defenses. >> >> Especially when dealing with the DC Gubmint. One has to able to READ >> and understand the letter, and we are talking DC Gubmint employees... >> >> Bill >> > > >__________________________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. >http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 2 16:38:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h02LcgO7006260; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 16:38:42 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h02Lcf8Q006253; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 16:38:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030102213838.8234.qmail@web14001.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 13:38:38 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: heated gloves question To: Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services , DCCycles In-Reply-To: <92EE52C13F8034478B4B9F85DA67A66640927D@rnc1.rnchq.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii This one is easy. Get an inline fuse holder from an auto parts place. Buy a few 5A (or 10A) fuses for it. Remove the fuse from the fuse holder and wire the fuse holder to the battery. Take a piece of lamp cord and connect one wire to the fuse holder and the other to the negative post of the battery. Use an appropriate connector to attach each of the two wires at the other end of the lamp cord to each of the two wires on the gloves. A switch to turn it on and off would also be nice. Leon --- Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services wrote: > > After freazing my hands a couple of times, I decided > to buy heated glove liners from Kreamer Technologies > (https://tp-commerce.techpro.com/kreamer/cartsys/shopexd.asp?id=48) > This way, I can use my Teknic Speedstar gloves for > maximum protection. > > That said, the liners come with a battery pack (no > batteries). I can certainly use the batteries, but > I would prefer to hook this up to my bike battery. > Can someone give me some pointers on how to do this? > I have two left hands :( Tbe power draw, Pair is > 1.25 A @ 12 VDC, 15 Watts. > > Witold > www.witold.org/bike/bike.php3 > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Custer, Carl > [mailto:Carl.Custer@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 1:34 PM > > To: 'DCCycles' > > Cc: 'zetland@XXXXXX'; > 'thelostshark@XXXXXX' > > Subject: Really Good Advice > > > > A cheaper alternative could be: > > > https://tp-commerce.techpro.com/kreamer/cartsys/shopdisplaypro > > ducts.asp?id= > > I haven't tried these (Already have a pair of > Gerbings) > > > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 2 17:58:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h02MwiO7007659; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 17:58:44 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h02MwhMW007649; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 17:58:43 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030102225836.57449.qmail@web41104.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 14:58:36 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: more on parallel parking ticket To: garcia oliver Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii i think you'd do better with an "impossibility" defense than force majeure. i don't see the latter applying here at all. anyway, good luck! --- garcia oliver wrote: > t_gimer@XXXXXX writes: > >what does "force majeure" have to do with this > situation? > >i thought that expression translated to "act of god," > such > >as earthquake, flood, etc. > > Hi Tom, et al (just practicing 8^) )B“Force Majeure > [literally )B“stronger > force)B”] excuses a party from liability if some unforseen > event beyond the > control of that party prevents it from performing its > obligations. > Typically, force majeure clauses cover natural disasters > or other "Acts of > God", war, or the failure of third parties--such as > suppliers and > subcontractors--to perform their obligations to the > contracting party. > Force majeure clauses are intended to excuse a party only > if the failure > to perform could not be avoided by the exercise of due > care by that party.)B” > > In my force majeure argument I)B’m asserting that I was > unable to meet the > regulation)B’s requirement to park parallel due to the > )B“stronger force” > combination of crowned road and the nature of motorcycle > center- and side > stands, and that my )B“failure to perform could not be > avoided by the > exercise of due care.)B” Probably should have used Viagra. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 3 09:07:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h03E7EO7015001; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 09:07:14 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h03E7CQ8014991; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 09:07:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <200301031407.QBB82435@vmms2.verisignmail.com> Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 09:07:13 -0500 From: Dave Yates Subject: parking in the OTHER Washington... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mirapoint Webmail Direct 2.9.3.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id h03E7BO7014979 from the Seattle times: Man parks, leaves his headlights on, gets a $28 ticket By Janet Burkitt Seattle Times staff reporter John Seth was not happy when he returned to his car after making an early afternoon delivery in downtown Seattle last month and found that he'd left his lights on. He was even less pleased when a city parking-enforcement officer handed him a $28 parking ticket. Not for being in a space illegally or for having an expired meter )B— it was for those headlights. " 'You left your lights on,' " Seth recalled the parking officer saying. 'We can cite for it, so we do.' " Seattle's law on lights Every vehicle shall be equipped with one (1) or more lamps, which, when lighted, shall display a white or amber light visible from a distance of one thousand feet (1,000') to the front of the vehicle, and a red light visible from a distance of one thousand feet (1,000') to the rear of the vehicle. The location of the lamp or lamps shall be such that at least one (1) lamp or combination of lamps meeting the requirements of this section is installed as near as practicable to the side of the vehicle which is closest to passing traffic. (RCW 46.37.150(1) Seattle Municipal Code, 11.82.300 "It's just insane." Seth said yesterday. "And the worst part of it was she smiled when she gave it to me and said, 'Merry Christmas.' " Seth, a driver for the film company Film Stop, had no idea he could get a parking ticket merely for forgetting to turn off his lights )B— and he's not alone. The handful of police, city and court officials who could be reached yesterday said they'd never heard of anyone being penalized for such a thing. "Even I am not aware of a law" that makes leaving lights on a citable offense, said Leo Poort, legal counsel to the Seattle Police Department. "It'd be news to me." On Seth's parking ticket, he's cited for "Lights, parked vehicle." The part of the city code cited doesn't explicitly say anything about leaving a parked car's lights on, but rather details how a vehicle's lights need to be properly working (which Seth says his were). A city ordinance does make it illegal to leave a car parked with the high beams on, and state law referred to in the city code declares that headlights of parked cars "shall be depressed or dimmed." Nevertheless, police spokeswoman Deanna Nollette said she hadn't known that leaving car lights on was a parking infraction in Seattle until she talked to a parking- enforcement supervisor yesterday. She said she never issued citations under such circumstances when she was working as a patrol officer, but did try to turn the lights off as a courtesy if the car was unlocked. She said it's not general practice within the department to give tickets simply for forgetting about headlights, but it is within an officer's discretion to do so. The supervisor said the officer who issued Seth's citation was relatively new on the job and had talked to one of her superiors after issuing the ticket because she'd had second thoughts about it, according to Nollette. The officer was told she could cancel the ticket and was going to do just that, but Seth's car was already gone, Nollette said. The parking-enforcement unit had been made aware of Seth's complaints and was prepared to rescind his ticket but hadn't heard from him again, Nollette said. Seth couldn't be reached yesterday to comment on Nollette's explanation, but said earlier that his employer would likely pay the ticket because he got it on the job. But he said that doesn't matter. "I feel cheated," he said. "I've got better things to do than to mess around with things like this." He figured contesting it in court would be time-consuming, and he was doubtful a magistrate would strike the fine completely anyway. If there's any silver lining for Seth, it might be that if he had gotten the ticket today, it would be $38 instead of $28 because of the city's efforts to balance the 2003 budget. Still, "For the life of me, I can't figure out what the public-safety issue is," Seth said. "I mean, is a small child going to walk too near to your lights and be vaporized?" [Dave] These Seattle meter maids must've interned in DC :-| Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 3 09:23:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h03ENfO7015649; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 09:23:41 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h03ENcof015639; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 09:23:38 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Really-To: Message-ID: <007c01c2b333$6ec6edf0$c000a8c0@C4ZJ911> From: "Gary Foreman" To: References: <200301031407.QBB82435@vmms2.verisignmail.com> Subject: Cycle show at Chantilly this weekend? Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 09:21:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 So, is this just a big "Harley" show or will there be sportbikes also? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 3 09:38:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h03EcSO7016231; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 09:38:28 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h03EcS2R016221; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 09:38:28 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030103143820.66492.qmail@web40902.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 06:38:20 -0800 (PST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: "His Harley comes out when the snow falls" To: DC-Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Saw this article in the newspaper when visiting my folks last week: "His Harley Comes out when the snow falls" http://www.nhregister.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=6527134&BRD=1281&PAG=461&dept_id=7573&rfi=8 (they set the site so I can't cut and paste the article itself) Basically a guy in Connecticut who rides all year long, uses tires designed for VW Beetles, with studs. My favorite lines were: "Police often stop him, sometimes to show concern, sometimes to warn him, and occasionally to order him off the road. He continues on, knowing that he's breaking no laws." Sure, like that ever stopped the police? ;-) The newspaper included a nice shot of him riding down a nice snowy lane. Too bad it's not on the web article. Louis ===== "Admiral" Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours Fairfax, VA Co-Planner, MD20-20 http://www.masondixon20-20.org/ Home Page: http://www.geocities.com/nighthawk700/cycle.htm __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 3 09:39:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h03EdvO7016267; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 09:39:57 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h03EdvWa016260; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 09:39:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: Subject: Re: Cycle show at Chantilly this weekend? Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 09:39:55 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <200301031407.QBB82435@vmms2.verisignmail.com> <007c01c2b333$6ec6edf0$c000a8c0@C4ZJ911> In-Reply-To: <007c01c2b333$6ec6edf0$c000a8c0@C4ZJ911> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0301030939552M.31872@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Better yet, what show? Carl On Friday 03 January 2003 09:21, Gary Foreman wrote: > So, is this just a big "Harley" show or will there be sportbikes also? > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 3 09:40:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h03EepO7016305; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 09:40:51 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h03EepNM016301; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 09:40:51 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030103144049.67683.qmail@web11104.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 06:40:49 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: Cycle show at Chantilly this weekend? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <007c01c2b333$6ec6edf0$c000a8c0@C4ZJ911> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Harley show. I went a few years ago and was sorely disappointed. Even had I been into cruisers, I think I would have been less than impressed. Chris Weaver --- Gary Foreman wrote: > So, is this just a big "Harley" show or will there > be sportbikes also? > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 3 09:41:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h03EfVO7016847; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 09:41:31 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h03EfVUB016838; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 09:41:31 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Really-To: Message-ID: <009701c2b335$eca5c280$c000a8c0@C4ZJ911> From: "Gary Foreman" To: "Carl Schelin" , References: <200301031407.QBB82435@vmms2.verisignmail.com> <007c01c2b333$6ec6edf0$c000a8c0@C4ZJ911> <0301030939552M.31872@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Subject: Re: Cycle show at Chantilly this weekend? Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 09:39:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 http://www.cycleprousa.com/showinfo.cfm?showid=8 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl Schelin" To: Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 9:39 AM Subject: Re: Cycle show at Chantilly this weekend? > Better yet, what show? > > Carl > > On Friday 03 January 2003 09:21, Gary Foreman wrote: > > So, is this just a big "Harley" show or will there be sportbikes also? > > > > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 3 09:42:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h03EgTO7017377; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 09:42:29 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h03EgTlu017368; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 09:42:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: "His Harley comes out when the snow falls" Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 09:42:26 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <20030103143820.66492.qmail@web40902.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20030103143820.66492.qmail@web40902.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0301030942262N.31872@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Friday 03 January 2003 09:38, Louis F. Caplan wrote: > Saw this article in the newspaper when visiting my folks last week: > > > "His Harley Comes out when the snow falls" > > http://www.nhregister.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=6527134&BRD=1281&PAG=461&dep >t_id=7573&rfi=8 > > (they set the site so I can't cut and paste the article itself) His Harley comes out when the snow falls Associated Press December 28, 2002 NEW MILFORD - On Christmas Day, when three dozen flights into and out of Bradley International Airport were canceled due to snow, Bill Wilcox was headed to Dutchess County in New York on his Harley-Davidson. The following day, when a foot of snow covered western Connecticut, Wilcox rode to Suffield, Mass. "Every day, I take off for a ride," he told The News-Times of Danbury as he warmed up inside his motorcycle repair shop in Gaylordsville. Most motorcycle owners have long since stowed their bikes for the winter. As fall edges into winter, the number of bikers dwindles. By the first snowfall, there's almost no one on the roads. "I never see anybody on snowy days, when it's treacherous," Wilcox said. If that makes Wilcox a curiosity, it doesn't seem to bother the soft-spoken, 60-year-old father of four. Plow drivers and people with Harley-Davidson stickers on their cars give him enthusiastic thumbs-up gestures as he tools along at speeds of up to 60 mph on the highways. Others aren't so appreciative. Some tailgate, others yell. "You get some people who almost attack you. This morning a woman at a restaurant said I was crazy," he said. Police often stop him, sometimes to show concern, sometimes to warn him, and occasionally to order him off the road. He continues on, knowing that he's breaking no laws. After all, he's been riding through the snow for decades. He rode through the blizzard of 1978, when Connecticut Gov. Ella T. Grasso closed the roads. The challenge began in the 1960s when Wilcox was working at a motorcycle shop in Greenwich. The owner drove his motorcycle to work every day year round. "I was in awe. I had to do it," Wilcox said. It took him years and scores of mishaps to master the art of guiding a two-wheeled vehicle over snow, ice and slush. He even tried a sidecar for a while. It stabilized the bike, but it felt too much like cheating. He tried dozens of tires over the years before hitting the jackpot with winter tires designed for old Volkswagen Beetles. The 15-inch wheels slice through snow like a hot knife, he said. But they were hard to find until Wilcox located a Dutch company that still makes them. He adds studs to the tires for traction on ice. Wilcox said he's had his share of falls, but he's never been seriously hurt. Even so, he doesn't expect to see more winter riders soon. Snow riding is physically and mentally exhausting, he said. "Sometimes you can't feel the bike under you at all," Wilcox said. Friend Rich Foster of New Milford can attest to the mental challenge. He was once riding with Wilcox when they got caught in a snowstorm. "You're concentrating all the time," said Foster, who added he will never again ride in snow. Then there's the cost. Wilcox goes through a set of tires a year and bikes don't last very long as they aren't designed to withstand salt. And forget about the wind in your face. Wilcox is covered from helmet to boots with a suit to absorb the splatter of snow, ice, salt and sand that can coat both bike and rider. He doesn't look pretty at the end of a ride, but says it's worth it. "I do it because I love it," he said. -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 3 09:43:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h03EhwO7017913; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 09:43:58 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h03Ehvbx017905; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 09:43:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030103144350.56524.qmail@web11105.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 06:43:50 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: "His Harley comes out when the snow falls" To: DC-Cycles In-Reply-To: <20030103143820.66492.qmail@web40902.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hmm... I managed to cut and paste the article. Chris Weaver ---- NEW MILFORD )B— On Christmas Day, when three dozen flights into and out of Bradley International Airport were canceled due to snow, Bill Wilcox was headed to Dutchess County in New York on his Harley-Davidson. The following day, when a foot of snow covered western Connecticut, Wilcox rode to Suffield, Mass. "Every day, I take off for a ride," he told The News-Times of Danbury as he warmed up inside his motorcycle repair shop in Gaylordsville. Most motorcycle owners have long since stowed their bikes for the winter. As fall edges into winter, the number of bikers dwindles. By the first snowfall, there)B’s almost no one on the roads. "I never see anybody on snowy days, when it)B’s treacherous," Wilcox said. If that makes Wilcox a curiosity, it doesn)B’t seem to bother the soft-spoken, 60-year-old father of four. Plow drivers and people with Harley-Davidson stickers on their cars give him enthusiastic thumbs-up gestures as he tools along at speeds of up to 60 mph on the highways. Others aren)B’t so appreciative. Some tailgate, others yell. "You get some people who almost attack you. This morning a woman at a restaurant said I was crazy," he said. Police often stop him, sometimes to show concern, sometimes to warn him, and occasionally to order him off the road. He continues on, knowing that he)B’s breaking no laws. After all, he)B’s been riding through the snow for decades. He rode through the blizzard of 1978, when Connecticut Gov. Ella T. Grasso closed the roads. The challenge began in the 1960s when Wilcox was working at a motorcycle shop in Greenwich. The owner drove his motorcycle to work every day year round. "I was in awe. I had to do it," Wilcox said. It took him years and scores of mishaps to master the art of guiding a two-wheeled vehicle over snow, ice and slush. He even tried a sidecar for a while. It stabilized the bike, but it felt too much like cheating. He tried dozens of tires over the years before hitting the jackpot with winter tires designed for old Volkswagen Beetles. The 15-inch wheels slice through snow like a hot knife, he said. But they were hard to find until Wilcox located a Dutch company that still makes them. He adds studs to the tires for traction on ice. Wilcox said he)B’s had his share of falls, but he’s never been seriously hurt. Even so, he doesn)B’t expect to see more winter riders soon. Snow riding is physically and mentally exhausting, he said. "Sometimes you can)B’t feel the bike under you at all," Wilcox said. Friend Rich Foster of New Milford can attest to the mental challenge. He was once riding with Wilcox when they got caught in a snowstorm. "You)B’re concentrating all the time," said Foster, who added he will never again ride in snow. Then there)B’s the cost. Wilcox goes through a set of tires a year and bikes don)B’t last very long as they aren)B’t designed to withstand salt. And forget about the wind in your face. Wilcox is covered from helmet to boots with a suit to absorb the splatter of snow, ice, salt and sand that can coat both bike and rider. He doesn)B’t look pretty at the end of a ride, but says it)B’s worth it. "I do it because I love it," he said. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 3 09:44:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h03EiAO7017943; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 09:44:10 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h03EiAqn017939; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 09:44:10 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <00dd01c2b336$f4be18e0$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Chris Weaver" , References: <20030103144049.67683.qmail@web11104.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Cycle show at Chantilly this weekend? Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 09:46:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Yep, but the "big" International MC Show is coming in March. Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - IBA # 12143 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Weaver" > Harley show. I went a few years ago and was sorely > disappointed. Even had I been into cruisers, I think I > would have been less than impressed. > > Chris Weaver From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 3 09:46:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h03EkLO7018556; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 09:46:21 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h03EkKri018549; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 09:46:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 09:57:53 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: Cycle show at Chantilly this weekend? In-Reply-To: <20030103144049.67683.qmail@web11104.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 3 Jan 2003, Chris Weaver wrote: > Harley show. I went a few years ago and was sorely > disappointed. Even had I been into cruisers, I think I > would have been less than impressed. > > Chris Weaver Much like the B'more show I attended last year. It wasn't necessarily a cruiser-fest, but more Boss Hoss/cruisers than other bikes and there wasn't any manufacturer that was represented very well. It was just a dealer show, where dealers brought out whatever they felt like loading in a truck before they left their shop. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 3 09:47:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h03ElDO7018587; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 09:47:13 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h03ElCI0018583; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 09:47:13 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: "Gary Foreman" , Subject: Re: Cycle show at Chantilly this weekend? Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 09:46:51 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" References: <200301031407.QBB82435@vmms2.verisignmail.com> <0301030939552M.31872@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> <009701c2b335$eca5c280$c000a8c0@C4ZJ911> In-Reply-To: <009701c2b335$eca5c280$c000a8c0@C4ZJ911> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0301030946512P.31872@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Friday 03 January 2003 09:39, Gary Foreman wrote: > http://www.cycleprousa.com/showinfo.cfm?showid=8 > Thanks. I love the guys who can't create standard websites. When I click on "Bike Show" I get "The parameter is incorrect". Of course, if I change the spaces in the parameter; "Mid-Atlantic Motorcycle Spectactular" with %20, I get the badly created page. (snipe, snipe, snipe) Carl > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Carl Schelin" > To: > Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 9:39 AM > Subject: Re: Cycle show at Chantilly this weekend? > > > Better yet, what show? > > > > Carl > > > > On Friday 03 January 2003 09:21, Gary Foreman wrote: > > > So, is this just a big "Harley" show or will there be sportbikes also? -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 3 09:47:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h03ElaO7019611; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 09:47:36 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h03ElaLK019607; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 09:47:36 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 09:47:34 -0500 Message-Id: <200301030947.AA276365734@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: "His Harley comes out when the snow falls" X-Mailer: Excellent! He doesn't even need VW tires, motorcycle tires with screw-in studs would probably handle better. I do have to take exception to his saying using a sidecar rig is cheating - sidecars are wonderful in the snow! -- Chris Norloff, Virginia '92 Honda ST1100 ABS STOC #1290 '90 Honda Pacific Coast (PC800) "Callipygian" '81 Honda CB750F with Jupiter sidecar '73 Yamaha TY250 vintage trials bike '73 Honda TL125 vintage trials bike "Soul-less Appliance" - a pejorative term for a motorcycle that doesn't break down. -- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 3 09:56:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h03EuWO7021665; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 09:56:32 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h03EuW3t021659; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 09:56:32 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 09:56:29 -0500 Subject: Lost key From: Richard Westbrook To: DC-Cycles Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jan 2003 14:56:30.0046 (UTC) FILETIME=[4C5C67E0:01C2B338] I think I may hove lost the key to my bike (95 Honda vfr). I haven't given up hope finding it yet, but it got me thinking. How can I get a replacement? Can I get a new one from Honda? do I need a locksmith? new lock? -Rich From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 3 10:00:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h03F0BO7022216; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 10:00:11 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h03F0BcT022207; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 10:00:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030103150004.13175.qmail@web40909.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 07:00:04 -0800 (PST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: "His Harley comes out when the snow falls" To: Chris Weaver , DC-Cycles In-Reply-To: <20030103144350.56524.qmail@web11105.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Next time if I can't do it in Netscape, I'll try IE before giving up. *shrug* Louis --- Chris Weaver wrote: > Hmm... I managed to cut and paste the article. > > Chris Weaver > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 3 10:00:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h03F0YO7022246; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 10:00:34 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h03F0Y0U022239; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 10:00:34 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <00fb01c2b338$d5edff00$9865fea9@Godzilla> Reply-To: "S. Russell \(Mongo\)" From: "S. Russell \(Mongo\)" To: "Richard Westbrook" , "DC-Cycles" References: Subject: Re: Lost key Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 10:00:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 If you bought it new and you still have the paperwork from it, there should be a key code that you can take to a dealer and get a key made from it. If you don't have that it might get expensive. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Westbrook" To: "DC-Cycles" Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 9:56 AM Subject: Lost key > I think I may hove lost the key to my bike (95 Honda vfr). I haven't given > up hope finding it yet, but it got me thinking. How can I get a replacement? > Can I get a new one from Honda? do I need a locksmith? new lock? > > > -Rich > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 3 10:04:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h03F4gO7023305; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 10:04:42 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h03F4gCE023298; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 10:04:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <200301031504.KAA22704@boo-mda02.boo.net> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: lisagoddard@XXXXXX Subject: parking tickets Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 15:04:41 GMT X-Mailer: Endymion MailMan Standard Edition v3.0.20 Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 12:13:41 -0800 (PST) From: "Eric M. Winslow" Subject: Re: more on parallel parking ticket To: dc-cycles list Actually, I've had good luck dealing with silly DC parking tickets through the mail. The last time, they actually wrote me back, giving me a chance to provide photos of the spot in question. Can't complain about that. Eric M. Winslow '94 KLR 650 I must agree with Eric. I was sent a nasty letter about an overdue parking ticket with DC. Upon further examination I found that the ticket was never mine to begin with. The meter reader was one character off when he/she entered the plate number of the supposed parking sinner. Due to this type my plates came up. I wrote a quick letter explaining that I had a Nissan, not the make and model listed on the ticket. Ticket waived, written note sent to me in the mail. All in all, kind of a pain to have to write a letter to prove my innocence but they were quite nice in dealing with it. I must also ad that every time I have argued a parking ticket in Montgomery County when I knew I did no wrong has been easy. (I just suck it up and pay it when I know I parked illegally). I have written the kind folks in Rockville on numerous occasions. They always reply fast, sometimes too fast by calling me back in less than 24 hours and catching me off guard. Lisa Goddard www.motorcycleleatherexchange.com '95 VFR '92 FZR 600 --------------------------------------------- This message was sent using Endymion MailMan. http://www.endymion.com/products/mailman/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 3 10:07:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h03F7eO7023849; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 10:07:40 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h03F7enU023837; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 10:07:40 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E15A6AC.3CE106A8@tasam.com> Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 10:05:16 -0500 From: Skip Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: "His Harley comes out when the snow falls" References: <20030103143820.66492.qmail@web40902.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit "Louis F. Caplan" wrote: > > Saw this article in the newspaper when visiting my folks last week: > > "His Harley Comes out when the snow falls" > > http://www.nhregister.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=6527134&BRD=1281&PAG=461&dept_id=7573&rfi=8 > the most telling this I saw was this quote from his friend: ""You)B’re concentrating all the time," said Foster" shouldn't he be concentrating all the time anyway??!? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 3 10:11:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h03FAxO7024398; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 10:11:00 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h03FAxQi024388; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 10:10:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: "His Harley comes out when the snow falls" Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 10:10:57 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <20030103150004.13175.qmail@web40909.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20030103150004.13175.qmail@web40909.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0301031010572R.31872@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I'm using Konqueror on Mandrake. I blew away my NT system when they forced me to install NAV and it deleted my inbox of 9,700 messages. Carl On Friday 03 January 2003 10:00, Louis F. Caplan wrote: > Next time if I can't do it in Netscape, I'll try IE before giving up. > *shrug* > > Louis > > --- Chris Weaver wrote: > > Hmm... I managed to cut and paste the article. > > > > Chris Weaver > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 3 10:44:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h03FiCO7025061; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 10:44:12 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h03FhjB9025044; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 10:43:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 10:43:41 -0500 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: gforeman@XXXXXX, cschelin@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Cycle show at Chantilly this weekend? MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <08244EC2.4A4DB1BB.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Better to just wait for the show in March. http://wdc.motorcycleshows.com/imswdc/V33/index.cvn Same one going on in New York next weekend. Anyone know if this is this the first time it's been to the DC area? Scooter In a message dated 1/3/2003 9:39:23 AM Eastern Standard Time, gforeman@XXXXXX writes: > > > http://www.cycleprousa.com/showinfo.cfm?showid=8 > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Carl Schelin" > To: > Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 9:39 AM > Subject: Re: Cycle show at Chantilly this weekend? > > > > Better yet, what show? > > > > Carl > > > > On Friday 03 January 2003 09:21, Gary Foreman wrote: > > > So, is this just a big "Harley" show or will there be > sportbikes also? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 3 11:08:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h03G8qO7025693; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 11:08:52 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h03G8i0V025683; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 11:08:44 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030103160841.19206.qmail@web14005.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 08:08:41 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Cycle show at Chantilly this weekend? To: Paul Wilson , Chris Weaver , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <00dd01c2b336$f4be18e0$bb82fea9@palladio1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The New York Show is 10-12 January. Is anyone going this year? I'm considering a ride to New York. Leon --- Paul Wilson wrote: > Yep, but the "big" International MC Show is coming > in March. > > Paul in DC > 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - IBA # 12143 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris Weaver" > > > > Harley show. I went a few years ago and was sorely > > disappointed. Even had I been into cruisers, I > think I > > would have been less than impressed. > > > > Chris Weaver > > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 3 11:15:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h03GFhO7026253; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 11:15:43 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h03GFh56026243; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 11:15:43 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <006701c2b343$baaa5120$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Richard Westbrook" , "DC-Cycles" References: Subject: Re: Lost key Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 11:17:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Rich, et al., I've been curious about this myself, should I ever manage to lose both keys, so I searched the VFR list quickly and yielded this. ----------------- Greetings and salutations, Did the same thing to my 92.You need to take the lock off a couple of bolts under the steering head (torx I think). Then bring the whole lock to your friendly Honda Dealer ,the key number is on the lock it self they put the number into their key cutter and TAADAA...new key,Cost me like 4 bucks for two keys. Of course then I found the original. Hope it helps, Lazarus Long http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~lists/archive/vfr/199702/msg00663.html PS. You could prolly do the same thing with the helmet/seat lock if you don't want to mess with the ignition. Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - IBA # 12143 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Westbrook" To: "DC-Cycles" Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 9:56 AM Subject: Lost key > I think I may hove lost the key to my bike (95 Honda vfr). I haven't given > up hope finding it yet, but it got me thinking. How can I get a replacement? > Can I get a new one from Honda? do I need a locksmith? new lock? > > > -Rich > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 3 11:30:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h03GUcO7026853; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 11:30:38 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h03GUaeM026838; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 11:30:36 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <200301031630.LAA01670@boo-mda02.boo.net> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: lisagoddard@XXXXXX Subject: MARRC Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 16:30:35 GMT X-Mailer: Endymion MailMan Standard Edition v3.0.20 Who out there is going to the MARRC banquet later this month? http://www.marrc.org/html_docs/news02/banquet_ad.html Please reply directly to me as I am digestly-challenged. thanks, Lisa Goddard www.motorcycleleatherexchange.com '95 VFR '92 FZR 600 --------------------------------------------- This message was sent using Endymion MailMan. http://www.endymion.com/products/mailman/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 3 11:57:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h03GvCO7027479; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 11:57:12 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h03GvBbk027474; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 11:57:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-id: Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 11:57:34 -0500 Subject: Re: more on parallel parking ticket To: t_gimer@XXXXXX, cnorloff@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "garcia oliver" References: <20030102225836.57449.qmail@web41104.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20030102225836.57449.qmail@web41104.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit They seem to be the same thing to me...but I do agree that using the term "force majeure" is not likely to be helpful. Thanks again. --garcia "All of us are smarter than any of us." --------------------------------------------------------------- i think you'd do better with an "impossibility" defense than force majeure. i don't see the latter applying here at all. anyway, good luck! --- garcia oliver wrote: >> t_gimer@XXXXXX writes: >> >what does "force majeure" have to do with this >> situation? >> >i thought that expression translated to "act of god," >> such >> >as earthquake, flood, etc. >> >> Hi Tom, et al (just practicing 8^) )B“Force Majeure >> [literally )B“stronger >> force)B”] excuses a party from liability if some unforseen >> event beyond the >> control of that party prevents it from performing its >> obligations. >> Typically, force majeure clauses cover natural disasters >> or other "Acts of >> God", war, or the failure of third parties--such as >> suppliers and >> subcontractors--to perform their obligations to the >> contracting party. >> Force majeure clauses are intended to excuse a party only >> if the failure >> to perform could not be avoided by the exercise of due >> care by that party.)B” >> >> In my force majeure argument I)B’m asserting that I was >> unable to meet the >> regulation)B’s requirement to park parallel due to the >> )B“stronger force” >> combination of crowned road and the nature of motorcycle >> center- and side >> stands, and that my )B“failure to perform could not be >> avoided by the >> exercise of due care.)B” Probably should have used Viagra. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 3 13:18:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h03IIJO7028662; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 13:18:19 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h03III7F028652; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 13:18:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <147.6c3ee3c.2b472de2@aol.com> Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 13:18:10 EST Subject: Re: Lost key To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 1/3/2003 9:57:02 AM Eastern Standard Time, rwestbrook@XXXXXX writes: > I think I may hove lost the key to my bike Free advice (and worth every penny) ALWAYS, always, always carry a spare key! I have one in my back pocket right now, it has bailed my ass out many, many times over the years. (And that is a lot of years.) Started carrying one way back in high school when I left the key in my first bike and some smart ass stole it (the key not the bike) leaving me stranded. Not only do you not get stranded but you can just go to a key shop for a new one. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 3 13:20:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h03IKYO7029210; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 13:20:34 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h03IKYeM029198; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 13:20:34 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <38.33959db0.2b472e68@aol.com> Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 13:20:24 EST Subject: Re: more on parallel parking ticket To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 1/3/2003 11:57:30 AM Eastern Standard Time, garicao@XXXXXX writes: > "All of us are smarter than any of us." Or perhaps "any of us are smarter then all of them???" Anyhow, it feels like that sometimes. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 3 13:25:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h03IPFO7029783; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 13:25:15 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h03IPCXj029768; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 13:25:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 13:24:57 -0500 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: mriderleon@XXXXXX, pawilson@XXXXXX, chris_vtr@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Cycle show at Chantilly this weekend? MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <792EFEB0.19526E11.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I was thinking about it. Riding up with someone might be incentive enough for me to go. You would be riding, right? Saturday morning? Keep me posted if you are and I'll let you know. Also, you can still buy tickets on-line since they ship FedEx. If you order by Sunday, it's only $12 a ticket. If I'm gonna go, I want to order mine that way instead of standing in line. http://nyc.motorcycleshows.com/imsnyc/V33/index.cvn Scooter In a message dated 1/3/2003 11:08:41 AM Eastern Standard Time, mriderleon@XXXXXX writes: > > > The New York Show is 10-12 January. Is anyone going > this year? I'm considering a ride to New York. > > Leon > > --- Paul Wilson wrote: > > Yep, but the "big" International MC Show is coming > > in March. > > > > Paul in DC > > 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - IBA # 12143 > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Chris Weaver" > > > > > > > Harley show. I went a few years ago and was sorely > > > disappointed. Even had I been into cruisers, I > > think I > > > would have been less than impressed. > > > > > > Chris Weaver > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 3 13:30:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h03IUxO7030330; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 13:30:59 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h03IUwdO030319; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 13:30:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Lost key Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 13:30:57 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" References: <147.6c3ee3c.2b472de2@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <147.6c3ee3c.2b472de2@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0301031330572Y.31872@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Friday 03 January 2003 13:18, PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 1/3/2003 9:57:02 AM Eastern Standard Time, > > rwestbrook@XXXXXX writes: > > I think I may hove lost the key to my bike > > Free advice (and worth every penny) > > ALWAYS, always, always carry a spare key! I have one in my back pocket > right now, it has bailed my ass out many, many times over the years. (And > that is a lot of years.) > Started carrying one way back in high school when I left the key in my > first bike and some smart ass stole it (the key not the bike) leaving me > stranded. > I carry a spare house key. I used to carry a spare car key but I bought a truck and the keys have the big plastic junk on it. And the Harley keys are wacky in size. My wife carries my spare hawg key now. > Not only do you not get stranded but you can just go to a key shop for a > new one. > Oh yea. > John. > PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 3 13:41:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h03IfPO7030919; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 13:41:25 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h03IfPOC030909; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 13:41:25 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <19c.ea8fb1d.2b473351@aol.com> Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 13:41:21 EST Subject: Re: Lost key To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 1/3/2003 1:32:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, cschelin@XXXXXX writes: > I bought a > truck and the keys have the big plastic junk on it. Hammer. > And the Harley keys are > wacky in size. My wife carries my spare hawg key now. Hack saw. Both of the above were true of my spare Honda key, both techniques were used. My spare is quite small now. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 3 13:45:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h03IjMO7031479; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 13:45:22 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h03IjMYq031470; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 13:45:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E15DB82.542C2D92@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 13:50:42 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Lost key References: <147.6c3ee3c.2b472de2@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 1/3/2003 9:57:02 AM Eastern Standard Time, > rwestbrook@XXXXXX writes: > > > I think I may hove lost the key to my bike > > Free advice (and worth every penny) > > ALWAYS, always, always carry a spare key! I have one in my back pocket right > now, it has bailed my ass out many, many times over the years. (And that is a > lot of years.) > Started carrying one way back in high school when I left the key in my first > bike and some smart ass stole it (the key not the bike) leaving me stranded. > > Not only do you not get stranded but you can just go to a key shop for a new > one. > > John. > PenguinBiker@XXXXXX I never carry a spare key because I don't have one. The spare key was lost by the crew at Crossroads Cycles while they were installing the breather backwards and failing to tighten several bolts including the one that held the cam gear on which rendered the bike senseless after 40 miles. No spare for my pickemup truck either. Dealer couldn't find it when I bought it new in `89. I luv quality service! Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 3 13:56:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h03Iu9O7031589; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 13:56:09 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h03Iu80o031579; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 13:56:08 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E15DE0C.76AF1059@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 14:01:32 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Lost key References: <19c.ea8fb1d.2b473351@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 1/3/2003 1:32:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, > cschelin@XXXXXX writes: > > > I bought a > > truck and the keys have the big plastic junk on it. > > Hammer. > > > And the Harley keys are > > wacky in size. My wife carries my spare hawg key now. > > Hack saw. > > Both of the above were true of my spare Honda key, both techniques were used. > My spare is quite small now. > > John. > PenguinBiker@XXXXXX hee hee, I love your approach, John. Did the hacksaw trick on a spark plug size Craftsman combo wrench to shorten it for easy storage. And I'm fixing to cut, saw, clip, and smush the housing onone of those 12 v mini-compressors. Should bring it down from lunchbox size to pocket size. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 3 13:57:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h03IvxO7032613; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 13:57:59 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h03Ivx8u032605; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 13:57:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Lost key Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 13:57:58 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <147.6c3ee3c.2b472de2@aol.com> <3E15DB82.542C2D92@patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <3E15DB82.542C2D92@patriot.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <03010313575832.31872@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Friday 03 January 2003 13:50, William J. Huson wrote: > PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > > In a message dated 1/3/2003 9:57:02 AM Eastern Standard Time, > > > > rwestbrook@XXXXXX writes: > > > I think I may hove lost the key to my bike > > > > Free advice (and worth every penny) > > > > ALWAYS, always, always carry a spare key! I have one in my back pocket > > right now, it has bailed my ass out many, many times over the years. (And > > that is a lot of years.) > > Started carrying one way back in high school when I left the key in my > > first bike and some smart ass stole it (the key not the bike) leaving me > > stranded. > > > > Not only do you not get stranded but you can just go to a key shop for a > > new one. > > > > John. > > PenguinBiker@XXXXXX > > I never carry a spare key because I don't have one. The spare key was lost > by the crew at Crossroads Cycles while they were installing the breather > backwards and failing to tighten several bolts including the one that held > the cam gear on which rendered the bike senseless after 40 miles. No spare > for my pickemup truck either. Dealer couldn't find it when I bought it new > in `89. > Oh well, if you want to go there. When I bought the truck (from the Chevy dealer on Rt 7) the door open bell would go off whenever it felt like it. After being told to just turn up the radio or ignore it, I made them replace the ignition. Of course they didn't replace the door locks so I have a door key and an ignition key. > I luv quality service! And people wonder why I'm going through this trouble with the CB750 :-) While going home last year I pulled up next to a guy (Flea was his name) broken down in HOV. His bike was just out of the shop for the 10,000 mile checkup but it wouldn't start. It turned though. I offered my cell phone and had someone come out to get him. > > Bill Have a good weekend all. I'm outta here. Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 3 14:07:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h03J71O7000750; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 14:07:01 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h03J707E000733; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 14:07:00 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E15DE0A.9856250F@carlparker.com> Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 14:01:30 -0500 From: Carl Parker X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en,zh-CN MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DCCycles Subject: Re: Lemon Laws in MD.... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit JTB, If you do make a list to have them look at and repair, do it soon and do it with meticuluous detail. If you don't know alot about the knocks, pings, and whizzes of a car then have someone who does look at it. Perhaps one of the LM's would be willing to assist. I'd be willing to volunteer my opinions if you don't mind them being a little less than expert. :) Carl Parker ------------------- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 3 14:35:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h03JZEO7001460; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 14:35:14 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h03JZD5c001450; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 14:35:13 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 14:35:10 EST Subject: Re: Lost key To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 1/3/2003 1:56:42 PM Eastern Standard Time, bhuson@XXXXXX writes: > hee hee, I love your approach, John. Did the hacksaw trick on a spark plug > size > Craftsman combo wrench to shorten it for easy storage. Gave the useless OEM tool kit from my 76 Triumph to a friends kid to play with, bought a bunch of Craftsman wrenches and cut them down to fit the Limeys toolbox. Used em lots of times and was thankful every time. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 3 15:02:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h03K20O7002185; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 15:02:00 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h03K1xM7002175; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 15:01:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-id: Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 15:02:33 -0500 Subject: Re: Lost key To: bhuson@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "garcia oliver" References: <147.6c3ee3c.2b472de2@aol.com> <3E15DB82.542C2D92@XXXXXX> In-Reply-To: <3E15DB82.542C2D92@patriot.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I've generally heard good thing about Crossroads. Have they changed or was this an anomaly? --garcia "If it ain't broke, fix it till it is." bhuson@XXXXXX writes: >The spare key was lost by >the crew at Crossroads Cycles while they were installing the breather >backwards >and failing to tighten several bolts including the one that held the cam >gear on >which rendered the bike senseless after 40 miles From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 3 15:11:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h03KBsO7002769; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 15:11:54 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h03KBrvx002757; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 15:11:53 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-id: Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 15:12:29 -0500 Subject: Re: Lost key To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "garcia oliver" References: <147.6c3ee3c.2b472de2@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <147.6c3ee3c.2b472de2@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit If you can get to the connector where the ignition switch joins the main wiring harness, at least older bikes (mostly what I see) are easy to hotwire. It helps if you have scrap wire with proper connectors---but if you've gone to that much trouble in advance, you probably have a spare key. 8^) --garcia "I have kleptomania, but when it gets bad, I take something for it." >In a message dated 1/3/2003 9:57:02 AM Eastern Standard Time, >rwestbrook@XXXXXX writes: > >> I think I may hove lost the key to my bike From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 3 18:50:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h03NoUO7004354; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 18:50:30 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h03NoTHx004344; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 18:50:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030103235016.65577.qmail@web9701.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 15:50:16 -0800 (PST) From: Scratch Subject: I've got a bad feeling about this... To: DCC MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii http://www.bikerboyz.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 3 22:01:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0431VO7008495; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 22:01:31 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0431U8M008485; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 22:01:30 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <005d01c2b39d$90d76db0$9865fea9@Godzilla> Reply-To: "S. Russell \(Mongo\)" From: "S. Russell \(Mongo\)" To: "Scratch" , "DCC" References: <20030103235016.65577.qmail@web9701.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: I've got a bad feeling about this... Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 22:01:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 It opens January 31, shall we have a DC Cycles screening? I can probably set one up at Arundel Mills Movico. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scratch" To: "DCC" Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 6:50 PM Subject: I've got a bad feeling about this... > http://www.bikerboyz.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 3 22:47:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h043ldO7009207; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 22:47:39 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h043ldtX009199; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 22:47:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.0.20030103214825.00a09ea0@mail.mac.com> X-Sender: eternity23@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 21:48:43 -0600 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, mike@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Oopsie Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed http://forums.13x.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=20216 D'oh! -Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 4 08:59:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h04Dx2O7012614; Sat, 4 Jan 2003 08:59:02 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h04DwxCV012596; Sat, 4 Jan 2003 08:58:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E16E9E7.C1C6F7FB@patriot.net> Date: Sat, 04 Jan 2003 09:04:23 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Scratch CC: DCC Subject: Re: I've got a bad feeling about this... References: <20030103235016.65577.qmail@web9701.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Scratch wrote: > http://www.bikerboyz.com > Hmm... Bad boys on bikes *yawn*, but the pics of the scantily dressed Biker Chicks loked just fine. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 4 14:59:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h04JxIO7015174; Sat, 4 Jan 2003 14:59:18 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h04JxBQP015159; Sat, 4 Jan 2003 14:59:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [67.200.184.102] From: "Greg Thompson" To: Subject: fork tubes Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2003 14:47:47 -0500 Message-ID: <000001c2b42a$280c5c40$0100a8c0@firehead> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jan 2003 19:47:48.0426 (UTC) FILETIME=[28B34AA0:01C2B42A] gang, i've been very, very slowly rebuilding my forks because the oil seal finally went bad on one. i found that there was some rust and pitting on the tubes themselves (41mm showas). so i just spent some quality time with some fine steel wool and wd-40 and was able to get the rust-lookin stuff off, but the pits aren't going anywhere. any recommendations as to how i can get these things as close to perfectly smooth as possible so that my new oil seals don't get chewed up by the tubes? thanks. -- -greg From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 4 17:44:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h04MiFO7016490; Sat, 4 Jan 2003 17:44:15 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h04MiEft016480; Sat, 4 Jan 2003 17:44:14 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <01a401c2b43a$a5e5d140$c38b5b0c@micron> From: "Mobacc \(now @ATT\)" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Chantilly MC show Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2003 16:45:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 How I spent my Saturday vacation -- Yes, it is a Harley show -- but I end up spending a few minor bills on leathers, glasses, and accessory stuff which are inexpensive and immediately handy (spring-loaded sunglass clipons, bellybags, etc.). Have also run into offbeat bike maintenance and cosmetic ideas in the past, though not this year. Spent half hour enroute in multilayered warmth, 20min in entrance line freezing w/o 'Stich, helmet (It was very well attended around noon). Bill S. / DC '99 VN750 -- I purr when the air is brrr. Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 4 19:38:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h050cXO7019995; Sat, 4 Jan 2003 19:38:33 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h050cXji019985; Sat, 4 Jan 2003 19:38:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030105003830.76280.qmail@web9708.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2003 16:38:30 -0800 (PST) From: Scratch Subject: re: fork tubes To: johnnyteardrop@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Greg, If there are pits, everytime the pit goes past the seal, it will carry a little oil. It won't seal if it's pitted. If you sand out the pits, it probably ain't gonna be round anymore, leading to more leakage. If you turn it in a lathe to make it round (assiming it's not chrome plated), it will be undersized, making sealing unlikely. Compared to prices on plastic parts, fork tubes are a bargain (~$100?). If it were me, I'd call... Forking by Frank Frank's Maintenance and Engineering, Inc. 945 Pitner Avenue Evanston, IL 60202 847-475-1003 HTH, Rich Greg wrote... i've been very, very slowly rebuilding my forks ...i just spent some quality time with some fine steel wool and wd-40 and was able to get the rust-lookin stuff off, but the pits aren't going anywhere. any recommendations as to how i can get these things as close to perfectly smooth as possible so that my new oil seals don't get chewed up by the tubes? __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 4 22:29:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h053T7O7021330; Sat, 4 Jan 2003 22:29:07 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h053T6ra021320; Sat, 4 Jan 2003 22:29:06 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Subject: Re: fork tubes From: Brian Roach To: Greg Thompson Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <000001c2b42a$280c5c40$0100a8c0@firehead> References: <000001c2b42a$280c5c40$0100a8c0@firehead> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2-5mdk Date: 04 Jan 2003 22:29:04 -0500 Message-Id: <1041737344.12836.8.camel@www.dcc-racing.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 On Sat, 2003-01-04 at 14:47, Greg Thompson wrote: > gang, > > i've been very, very slowly rebuilding my forks because the oil seal > finally went bad on one. i found that there was some rust and pitting > on the tubes themselves (41mm showas). so i just spent some quality > time with some fine steel wool and wd-40 and was able to get the > rust-lookin stuff off, but the pits aren't going anywhere. any > recommendations as to how i can get these things as close to perfectly > smooth as possible so that my new oil seals don't get chewed up by the > tubes? Red 3M scotch pads. You want to cross-hatch the fork tubes by wrapping your hand (with the pad) around the tube, then twist back and forth while moving up and down the tube. If this doesn't get you to where it'll seal, a new tube is in order as someone posted. - Roach From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jan 5 00:53:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h055ruO7022465; Sun, 5 Jan 2003 00:53:56 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h055rtZX022458; Sun, 5 Jan 2003 00:53:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Sent: 5 Jan 2003 05:53:53 GMT Message-ID: <004401c2b481$5594ef40$6401a8c0@laura> From: "Laura Granato" To: Subject: Look Out! I got a ... 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