From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 1 10:31:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h01FVXO7018641; Wed, 1 Jan 2003 10:31:33 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h01FVR51018631; Wed, 1 Jan 2003 10:31:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [4.65.188.177] From: "Adam Wah" To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Happy New Year Date: Wed, 01 Jan 2003 15:18:48 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Jan 2003 15:18:48.0384 (UTC) FILETIME=[153F1400:01C2B1A9] Happy New Year to all! Waiting on parts... Took the bike down for a month or two. Cables, spiffing up some rough details, brake job, general torque checks, fluids etc... Missed a great riding day on the 31st... saw a lot of bikes out. My Nephew stopped over with his "new" Kaw 500 (twin) needs a little work. Other than that -- it's raining, warm and the games come on in a few hours. Think I'll grab a drink... is 10am too soon? aw _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 2 06:25:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h02BPoO7026733; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 06:25:50 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h02BPmT4026723; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 06:25:48 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Jennthebiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <186.13be387e.2b457bb5@aol.com> Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 06:25:41 EST Subject: OT: Lemon Laws in MD -- Help? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX CC: jdburkett@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10637 Hi everyone. I really could use some car help! This is going to be a long one, but I appreciate any advise I can get! It starts with Christmas day where I was in PA with all the ice/snow. I was going slow down a hill, hit some ice, snow, then guardrails at the bottom of the hill where the road turns and my car didnt. After about 30 minutes of trying, my dad and brother n law pulled my car out of the guardrails. My car was 'driveable'. The day after Christmas, I drove it 230 miles back to Baltimore --- bumper in the backseat/trunk, hood tied down with a big red strap 'just incase', and one headlight busted. All 2900$ in damages are covered by insurance. Praise the Lord! I decide that I would like to trade in my 98 Mitsubishi Mirage with 72k miles for a 2000 Mitsubishi Mirage with only 40k miles and a warranty. I heard a clunking sound after leaving the dealership but I didn't pay much attention to it. (DUH!) Within 10 miles of the dealership, the front drivers side brand new tire blew out on the Baltimore Beltway. I got to the side of the road and immediately called the dealership. We agreed that I would bring the tire and rim over on Thursday to get it looked at; however, the salesguy mentioned putting a tire from my old Mirage on my new one. I declined and told him it was necessary to put a new tire on since that's how I purchased it. A very nice man and his wife stopped and helped me and completed the tire changing task in about 4 minutes! So, I continue driving about another 4 miles to work paying more attention to various sounds since there's obviously something wrong with the car. The clunking sound was even worse! I felt more unsafe driving this car than any other car that I've owned (and I've had some real beater cars!). Once I got back to work, I called the dealer expressing my unsafe concerns. The salesperson told me to make a list of things wrong, bring it in on Thursday, and they'd give a loaner car to me until the repairs were complete. Fair enough; however, I did warn him that this whole situation made me want to take the newer Mirage back and pick up my crunched up Mirage! On my commute home ( .2 miles) I did not feel safe at all! So, I called the dealer again. My salesguy already went home (it was about 5:30pm on New Years Eve). After being on hold, the person I was speaking to came back, said to drive it back to the dealership that night if I could and I would get a loaner car so I would feel safe. My salesguy came back to make sure I was OK and I did receive a loaner car. I would really like my old crunched car back. No warranty on my old car seems to be better than a mechanical nightmare of the newer car. Where do I stand legally on making this happen? Is this a wise decision? Please CC: my work email address jdburkett@XXXXXX as I won't have access to jennthebiker until after this situation is already taken care of. Thanks in advance, jenn ps --- i would love to go bike only but it seems i have a tough time in the snow/ice in a car these days. im not sure how well that would be on the bike! :) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 2 07:58:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h02CwwO7027642; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 07:58:58 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h02Cwv6x027632; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 07:58:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <004b01c2b25e$b31c1ff0$9865fea9@Godzilla> Reply-To: "S. Russell \(Mongo\)" From: "S. Russell \(Mongo\)" To: , Cc: References: <186.13be387e.2b457bb5@aol.com> Subject: Re: Lemon Laws in MD -- Help? Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 07:57:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 This might be good for you to read, it is some basics on the Maryland lemon laws http://cartalk.cars.com/Got-A-Car/Lemon/States/lemon_maryland.html I had a bad experience with a car once but you unfortunately have to let them attempt to fix it a couple of times for the Lemon Law comes into effect. The arbitration for the Lemon Law is not a cake walk also. Good luck. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 6:25 AM Subject: OT: Lemon Laws in MD -- Help? > Hi everyone. > > I really could use some car help! This is going to be a long one, but I > appreciate any advise I can get! > > It starts with Christmas day where I was in PA with all the ice/snow. I was > going slow down a hill, hit some ice, snow, then guardrails at the bottom of > the hill where the road turns and my car didnt. After about 30 minutes of > trying, my dad and brother n law pulled my car out of the guardrails. My car > was 'driveable'. The day after Christmas, I drove it 230 miles back to > Baltimore --- bumper in the backseat/trunk, hood tied down with a big red > strap 'just incase', and one headlight busted. All 2900$ in damages are > covered by insurance. Praise the Lord! > > I decide that I would like to trade in my 98 Mitsubishi Mirage with 72k miles > for a 2000 Mitsubishi Mirage with only 40k miles and a warranty. I heard a > clunking sound after leaving the dealership but I didn't pay much attention > to it. (DUH!) Within 10 miles of the dealership, the front drivers side > brand new tire blew out on the Baltimore Beltway. I got to the side of the > road and immediately called the dealership. We agreed that I would bring the > tire and rim over on Thursday to get it looked at; however, the salesguy > mentioned putting a tire from my old Mirage on my new one. I declined and > told him it was necessary to put a new tire on since that's how I purchased > it. A very nice man and his wife stopped and helped me and completed the > tire changing task in about 4 minutes! So, I continue driving about another > 4 miles to work paying more attention to various sounds since there's > obviously something wrong with the car. The clunking sound was even worse! > I felt more unsafe driving this car than any other car that I've owned (and > I've had some real beater cars!). Once I got back to work, I called the > dealer expressing my unsafe concerns. The salesperson told me to make a list > of things wrong, bring it in on Thursday, and they'd give a loaner car to me > until the repairs were complete. Fair enough; however, I did warn him that > this whole situation made me want to take the newer Mirage back and pick up > my crunched up Mirage! On my commute home ( .2 miles) I did not feel safe at > all! So, I called the dealer again. My salesguy already went home (it was > about 5:30pm on New Years Eve). After being on hold, the person I was > speaking to came back, said to drive it back to the dealership that night if > I could and I would get a loaner car so I would feel safe. My salesguy came > back to make sure I was OK and I did receive a loaner car. > > I would really like my old crunched car back. No warranty on my old car > seems to be better than a mechanical nightmare of the newer car. Where do I > stand legally on making this happen? Is this a wise decision? > > Please CC: my work email address jdburkett@XXXXXX as I won't have > access to jennthebiker until after this situation is already taken care of. > > Thanks in advance, > jenn > > ps --- i would love to go bike only but it seems i have a tough time in the > snow/ice in a car these days. im not sure how well that would be on the > bike! :) > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 2 08:11:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h02DBoO7028243; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 08:11:50 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h02DBo3K028233; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 08:11:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Electrical Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 08:11:40 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <03010208114022.31872@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hey all, I got the carbs back on the 750 using a cinch strap but it won't start. No spark at the plugs. I've been tracking down potential ignition problems and have three possible targets. 1. Brake light. Some bikes ground through the brake light. If the bulb goes out, the bike won't start. As far as lights, I have the head light, running lights and turn signals. The brake light doesn't seem to be working right. The switch doesn't work. Sometimes the brake light is on and when I pull on the switch it goes out. Some cleaning or replacing may need to be done. 2. Ignition. I have to jiggle it sometimes to get the lights to come on and it goes out by itself at times. I will need to disassemble it and clean the connections. 3. Coils. I checked the resistance through each of the coils; black and white to yellow or black and white to blue show no breaks. The blue and yellow wires show no breaks to the points. From various readings, if the condensors go bad it shows up at the points but they look real clean, almost new. Other comments are to trim the plug wires, use dielectric gel and reconnect the caps. I do have some play so I can trim a half inch (recommended) and try that. My main question to the various boards is what can I check to verify power? Since I'm getting 11v at the points, I'm assuming the coils themselves with regards to the black and white/yellow|blue wires is good and that the ignition is good so brake lights and trimming seem to be the main options. Any thoughts on this? Hey, at 4:56 this morning it was 1/2/03 4:56. Happy New Year. Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 2 09:03:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h02E3cO7029005; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 09:03:38 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h02E3cjC028995; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 09:03:38 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <1a4.e847152.2b45a0ae@aol.com> Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 09:03:26 EST Subject: Re: I need tire irons by Saturday To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 12/31/2002 4:13:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, pattonme@XXXXXX writes: > I had one of those, the threads stripped and the unit was totally > worthless after about 6 tire changes. Hard to believe, I have had mine for many years and used it _way, way_ more then 6 times with no hint of thread stripping. And if they did strip it is just a piece of all thread rod and a couple of nuts, easy to replace. We may not be talking about the same unit. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 2 09:07:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h02E7GO7029536; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 09:07:16 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h02E7G5o029530; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 09:07:16 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <128.1f28892f.2b45a188@aol.com> Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 09:07:04 EST Subject: Re: more on parallel parking ticket To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 12/31/2002 5:51:45 PM Eastern Standard Time, garicao@XXXXXX writes: > Subj: Re: more on parallel parking ticket > To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX > > Interesting point. Don't think I have the time to look into it before I > have to respond to the ticket. You may want to post it and see if anyone > has useful info. OK > PenguinBiker@XXXXXX writes: > > > > > >I believe that federal regulations require accommodations be made for > >motorcycles in any federally funded highways (In part or in whole.) I > >would > >think this would apply to on street parking since this was paid for by > >federal funds also. In other words I think they are required to > >accommodate > >motorcycle parking and may be in violation of those regulations if local > >laws > >prevent motorcycles from parking safely. > John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 2 09:11:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h02EBjO7029586; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 09:11:45 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h02EBj6g029578; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 09:11:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030102141113.92425.qmail@web41108.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 06:11:13 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Lemon Laws in MD -- Help? To: "S. Russell \(Mongo\)" , Jennthebiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: jdburkett@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <004b01c2b25e$b31c1ff0$9865fea9@Godzilla> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii the statutory scheme cited below doesn't apply to used cars. if i were jennthebiker, i would immediately attempt to return the car for a full refund on the grounds that the condition of the car was not, at the time of the sale, as the seller represented it to be (i.e., not in good working condition). jenn: call me if you'd like some actual legal assistance with this matter. 301 913-0060 --tom --- "S. Russell (Mongo)" wrote: > This might be good for you to read, it is some basics on > the Maryland lemon > laws > http://cartalk.cars.com/Got-A-Car/Lemon/States/lemon_maryland.html > > I had a bad experience with a car once but you > unfortunately have to let > them attempt to fix it a couple of times for the Lemon > Law comes into > effect. The arbitration for the Lemon Law is not a cake > walk also. > > Good luck. > > Scott > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Cc: > Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 6:25 AM > Subject: OT: Lemon Laws in MD -- Help? > > > > Hi everyone. > > > > I really could use some car help! This is going to be > a long one, but I > > appreciate any advise I can get! __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 2 09:23:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h02ENhO7030652; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 09:23:43 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h02ENgRK030642; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 09:23:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <004d01c2b26a$e9008c80$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: , References: <128.1f28892f.2b45a188@aol.com> Subject: Re: more on parallel parking ticket Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 09:25:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Just a note on the subject of "federal highways" in the District. The District has about 400 miles of "federal highways." These include the interstate routes 295 and 395 obviously, as well as signed routes US 1, 29 and 50. What most people don't know is it also applies to thoroughfares like Connecticut Ave., 16th St., Independence Ave. and Wisconsin Ave. I doubt this has any bearing on the treatment of motorcycles parked thereon, but it's a little factoid to file away for future use nonetheless. Paul in DC ----- Original Message ----- From: > In a message dated 12/31/2002 5:51:45 PM Eastern Standard Time, > garicao@XXXXXX writes: > > > Subj: Re: more on parallel parking ticket > > To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX > > > > Interesting point. Don't think I have the time to look into it before I > > have to respond to the ticket. You may want to post it and see if anyone > > has useful info. > > OK > > > PenguinBiker@XXXXXX writes: > > > > > > > > >I believe that federal regulations require accommodations be made for > > >motorcycles in any federally funded highways (In part or in whole.) I > > >would > > >think this would apply to on street parking since this was paid for by > > >federal funds also. In other words I think they are required to > > >accommodate > > >motorcycle parking and may be in violation of those regulations if local > > >laws > > >prevent motorcycles from parking safely. > > > > > > John. > PenguinBiker@XXXXXX > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 2 09:47:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h02ElQO7031270; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 09:47:26 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h02ElPC6031262; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 09:47:25 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E145242.BCC0B921@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2003 09:52:50 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tom Gimer CC: "S. Russell (Mongo)" , Jennthebiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, jdburkett@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Lemon Laws in MD -- Help? References: <20030102141113.92425.qmail@web41108.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Another note for jennthebiker. Carry a motorhead with you to look over a prospective used car purchase, or better yet, insist that you be allowed to have a skilled mechanic of your choice inspect the vehicle. If the dealership balks, flip them off and flee. Bill Tom Gimer wrote: > the statutory scheme cited below doesn't apply to used > cars. > > if i were jennthebiker, i would immediately attempt to > return the car for a full refund on the grounds that the > condition of the car was not, at the time of the sale, as > the seller represented it to be (i.e., not in good working > condition). > > jenn: call me if you'd like some actual legal assistance > with this matter. 301 913-0060 --tom From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 2 10:01:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h02F12O7031867; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 10:01:02 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h02F11jJ031857; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 10:01:01 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 10:00:59 -0500 Message-Id: <200301021000.AA111739298@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: "List-dc cycles" Subject: killer driver pleads Jan 10 in Hayward, CA X-Mailer: Here's more info on the deadly wreck caused by a speeding SUV. I think attending the hearing would be interesting, though I don't know if you would have standing to speak for or against the plea. I think writing the judge is an excellent idea. Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "George Jercich" Reply-To: M-riders@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 08:08:30 -0800 FYI - This is a Forward from another List: From: "Tom Melchild" )B  Reply-To fjr1300@XXXXXX )B  To: FJR1300 Mailing List )B  Subject: Help needed in Bay Area )B  Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 17:45:32 -0800 )B  As some of you know, I lost a very good friend last winter. Gary Kunich was great guy who I worked on the Cal 24 rally with for several years. Last Jan. 11th, he was riding his K75 to work in Livermore on Vasco Road. He encountered very thick fog, to the point that the traffic had stopped due to almost zero visibility. He did exactly what we all are told to do in a situation like this, he stopped behind a truck on the right side of the lane, next to the white line. While he was stopped, a woman, Niki Moore from Clayton, in 3/4 ton Dodge Pickup struck him at between 60 and 70 mph. The force of the crash drug him, trapped under the truck for over 70 feet, broke the motorcycle into 3 pieces, and he died in an inferno when the truck burst into flames. After the crash it became known that at least two people had called 911 from cell phones the morning of the crash reporting the outrageous behavior of this woman in the minutes before impact. She had been passing cars on the shoulder at over 75 mph. At the seen of the accident, witness' said that while Gary was trapped under her burning truck, she was retrieving her cell phone and papers. Now after, almost a year, the woman who caused the death of our friend, and fellow motorcycle rider, is trying desperately to avoid jail time. They presented a plea agreement that would avoid ANY jail time in exchange for a guilty plea. The offer was basically 5 years probation, 60 days in jail, and after one year, the charges dropped from felony to misdeamenor. The prosecutor would not accept the plea, so she and her attorney went to a judge in Pleasanton last Wed. The judge rejected the plea. Now, she and her attorney are trying again with a different judge in Hayward. Now, if this weren't enough, here is what her Attorney, Louis Goodman was quoted as saying in the paper last Thursday: "This is a tragic traffic accident. As someone who's ridden a motorcycle many, many times, it's a risk all motorcyclists take," he said. "I'm not saying there's anything the motorcyclist could have done in a rear-end collision, but there would probably not have been the same result if he was in a vehicle." Is this crazy? I guess according to Mr. Goodman we should all be driving only 3/4 ton pickups so we can be protected from the actions of people like his client. What I am asking is for anyone who can, come to the Hayward Hall of Justice on Friday, Jan. 10th at 9:00AM. This is the time that Judge Kurtz is scheduled to hear Mr. Goodman try to get him to approve the plea agreement that another judge and the prosecutor would not. We need as large a showing as possible. The address is: Hayward Hall of Justice 24405 Amador Street Hayward, CA 94544 It is on the corner of W. Winton and Amador, approx. two blocks east of I880 on W. Winton. The hearing will be in room 513. If you can't make it, if you can send a letter to Judge Robert Kurtz at the same address. Tell him that you as a member of the community would be outraged if this woman got anything less than jail time for her behavior. Thanks for your help! Tom Melchild George Jercich >From: "Chris Norloff" >Reply-To: M-riders@XXXXXX >To: >Subject: Re: [M-Riders] Negligent driver kills >Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 11:30:21 -0500 > >I doubt letters will make a difference to the lawyer. They might make a >difference to those who read the paper, and possbilty to the new judge >hearing the case. > >It's understood that defense lawyers will say ANYTHING if they think it >will help them win the case, but that's in court not in the real world. I >think they should know that real people will protest and call them on it >when they utter these inanities in public. > >Anyway, not much one person can do but write letters and try to make a >little change. > >Or not. :-) > >Chris Norloff > >---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- >From: Art Ellison >Reply-To: M-riders@XXXXXX >Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 10:25:58 -0800 > > >I wonder if a bunch of letters will make a difference? Maybe a letter to > >the lawyer who is so upset that his client might be found negligent??? > > > >Art > > > >At 12:49 PM 12/21/2002 -0500, you wrote: > > > >>Dear Editor, > >> > >>I'm responding to the article on Dec 19 about the driver of a 8,000 lb. > >>truck that caused a six vehicle wreck and killed a man on a motorcycle. > >>http://www.bayarea.com/mld/mercurynews/news/local/4772961.htm > >> > >>This driver was driving 60 mph (88 feet per second) in 100-foot >visibility > >>fog when she caused the wrecks and the death. The driver's attorney is > >>quoted as stating "It's a tragic traffic accident,'' but ``it's a risk > >>that motorcyclists take.'' > >> > >>The attorney's cavalier attitude toward a negligent, killer driver is > >>appalling. Would he blame a pedestrian for taking a risk by walking in > >>public? Would he blame a jogger for being hit by a reckless driver? If >it > >>was a child killed would he blame the child for this adult's actions? I > >>doubt it. > >> > >>This driver is an example of a deadly dangerous driver. A driver with >no > >>regard for the safety of anybody on our public roads. This driver >should > >>be banned from operating vehicles on our roads, after well-deserved jail > >>time for her criminal negligence. > >> > >>Chris Norloff > >>508 N. West St. > >>Falls Church, VA > >>22046 > >>chris@XXXXXX > >> > >> > >>The address of the judge who will be hearing the transferred case of the > >>negligent killer driver is: > >> > >>The Honorable Robert Kurtz > >>Superior Court of California, County of Alameda > >>Part 513 > >>Hayward Hall of Justice > >>24405 Amador Street > >>Hayward, CA 94544 > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>This is the M-Riders mailing list. 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To unsubscribe or change options, go to http://host.safe-hosting.com/mailman/listinfo/m-riders_remuda.net Web site at http://www.geocities.com/m_riders Photo gallery & calendar at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mriders2 - email chris@XXXXXX for access to avoid a rude Yahoo message. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 2 10:16:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h02FGVO7032439; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 10:16:31 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h02FGUnR032429; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 10:16:30 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <200301021515.QBA61741@vmms2.verisignmail.com> Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 10:15:48 -0500 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: Lemon Laws in MD -- Help? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mirapoint Webmail Direct 2.9.3.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >Another note for jennthebiker. Carry a motorhead with you to look over >a prospective used car purchase, or better yet, insist that you be >allowed to have a skilled mechanic of your choice inspect the vehicle. [Dave] This sage advice should apply to all here, not just JTB, and not just to cages. If the mechanic says "nothing wrong" or repairs not totalling more than (insert reasonable figure here), prospective buyer pays & agrees to buy. Else, prospective buyer walks and seller is left to deal with the bill. I've not had trouble using this method buying used, with my Ninja, or my old Cobra. Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 2 10:32:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h02FW5O7000563; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 10:32:05 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h02FW2cp000553; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 10:32:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <010401c2b274$7493f800$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Dave Yates" , References: <200301021515.QBA61741@vmms2.verisignmail.com> Subject: Re: Lemon Laws in MD -- Help? Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 10:33:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Yep, although I did it a little differently. The last used cage I bought was seriously overdue for a timing belt change. Before completing the purchase, I took it to my mechanic, he gave the car a thorough going over and a clean bill of health, and a written estimate for the timing belt change. The seller knocked the timing belt change off our agreed price and we completed the sale. At the very least I'd take along a mechanically savvy friend to "kick the tires" for any used vehicle purchase and as a reality check to put the brakes on an impulsive decision. If it were me, if a seller doesn't allow test rides/drives or allow a complete mechanical inspection at a mechanic of my choice, I walk. Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - IBA # 12143 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Yates" > > >Another note for jennthebiker. Carry a motorhead with you > to look over > >a prospective used car purchase, or better yet, insist that > you be > >allowed to have a skilled mechanic of your choice inspect > the vehicle. > > [Dave] This sage advice should apply to all here, not just > JTB, and not just to cages. If the mechanic says "nothing > wrong" or repairs not totalling more than (insert reasonable > figure here), prospective buyer pays & agrees to buy. Else, > prospective buyer walks and seller is left to deal with the > bill. I've not had trouble using this method buying used, > with my Ninja, or my old Cobra. > > > Dave Yates > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 2 10:50:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h02FoHO7001182; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 10:50:17 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h02FoH4P001172; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 10:50:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 Subject: heated gloves question Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 10:50:10 -0500 Message-ID: <92EE52C13F8034478B4B9F85DA67A66640927D@rnc1.rnchq.org> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Really Good Advice Thread-Index: AcKbxF5RJiIEmHrTQ1ieu6923TOjfwWsKU6A From: "Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services" To: "DCCycles" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id h02FoFO7001160 After freazing my hands a couple of times, I decided to buy heated glove liners from Kreamer Technologies (https://tp-commerce.techpro.com/kreamer/cartsys/shopexd.asp?id=48) This way, I can use my Teknic Speedstar gloves for maximum protection. That said, the liners come with a battery pack (no batteries). I can certainly use the batteries, but I would prefer to hook this up to my bike battery. Can someone give me some pointers on how to do this? I have two left hands :( Tbe power draw, Pair is 1.25 A @ 12 VDC, 15 Watts. Witold www.witold.org/bike/bike.php3 > -----Original Message----- > From: Custer, Carl [mailto:Carl.Custer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 1:34 PM > To: 'DCCycles' > Cc: 'zetland@XXXXXX'; 'thelostshark@XXXXXX' > Subject: Really Good Advice > > A cheaper alternative could be: > https://tp-commerce.techpro.com/kreamer/cartsys/shopdisplaypro > ducts.asp?id= > I haven't tried these (Already have a pair of Gerbings) > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 2 11:24:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h02GOtO7001886; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 11:24:55 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h02GOsLA001876; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 11:24:54 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <200301021622.QBA70281@vmms2.verisignmail.com> Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 11:22:41 -0500 From: Dave Yates Subject: buying used; was Lemons To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mirapoint Webmail Direct 2.9.3.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Paul put forth: >Yep, although I did it a little differently. The last used cage I bought >was seriously overdue for a timing belt change. Before completing the >purchase, I took it to my mechanic, he gave the car a thorough going over >and a clean bill of health, and a written estimate for the timing belt >change. The seller knocked the timing belt change off our agreed price and >we completed the sale. [Dave] I probably should've added that you shouldn't insist of dictate terms to the buyer; A little courtesey goes a long way. I had one guy come to look at a truck I was selling. I was impressed at the thoroughness of his inspection, but that's about where it ended. After the inspection, he said something to the effect of 'ok, this is how it's going to work, I'm looking to take over your payments and you will have to pay $$$ up front, sign a legal agreement, etc...' I was honestly taken aback. After about a 20 second pause, I came back with a flat refusal, and an invitation for him to leave immediately, counseled him on wasting a car (truck) seller's time, and informed him that if he screwed up his credit so bad that he couldn't get financed that it was actually his problem, not anyone elses... I think I hurt his feelings.... Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 2 12:56:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h02HuIO7002776; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 12:56:18 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h02HuHQE002766; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 12:56:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <006701c2b288$9c91ea60$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Dave Yates" , References: <200301021622.QBA70281@vmms2.verisignmail.com> Subject: Re: buying used; was Lemons Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 12:58:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Communicating one's intentions and non-negotiable terms up front are a good idea, to avoid any hard feelings or misunderstandings down the road or wasting the seller's (or buyer's) time. Perhaps if this person had poor credit and was operating in a "low liquidity environment" he should have made it clear sooner that he was looking to assume payments and wouldn't be in a position to pay cash. Example - When I've bought bikes, I've made it clear that a test ride will be part of the potential sale, or I won't bother coming out to see the bike. Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - IBA # 12143 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Yates" > Paul put forth: > > >Yep, although I did it a little differently. The last used > cage I bought > >was seriously overdue for a timing belt change. Before > completing the > >purchase, I took it to my mechanic, he gave the car a > thorough going over > >and a clean bill of health, and a written estimate for the > timing belt > >change. The seller knocked the timing belt change off our > agreed price and > >we completed the sale. > > [Dave] I probably should've added that you shouldn't insist > of dictate terms to the buyer; A little courtesey goes a > long way. I had one guy come to look at a truck I was > selling. I was impressed at the thoroughness of his > inspection, but that's about where it ended. After the > inspection, he said something to the effect of 'ok, this is > how it's going to work, I'm looking to take over your > payments and you will have to pay $$$ up front, sign a legal > agreement, etc...' > > I was honestly taken aback. After about a 20 second pause, I > came back with a flat refusal, and an invitation for him to > leave immediately, counseled him on wasting a car (truck) > seller's time, and informed him that if he screwed up his > credit so bad that he couldn't get financed that it was > actually his problem, not anyone elses... I think I hurt his > feelings.... > > > Dave Yates > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 2 13:34:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h02IYsO7003549; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 13:34:54 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h02IYsBJ003539; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 13:34:54 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Jennthebiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <159.19cd87ea.2b45e041@aol.com> Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 13:34:41 EST Subject: update on car saga To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10637 hi everyone i appreciate everyones comments. im just home for lunch so please continue to CC jdburkett@XXXXXX. the tire blew because of a bad valve stem which the sales manager said should have been replaced prior to selling the car. they are still looking into the 'clunk' sound. i voiced my opinion regarding getting my old car back. the sales manager asked to fix the broken parts of the newer car, test drive it, and then make my decision. i've asked for him to provide this in writing. more to come i'm sure.... jtb From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 2 15:13:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h02KDiO7004746; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 15:13:44 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h02KDhib004736; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 15:13:43 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030102201341.5263.qmail@web13502.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 12:13:41 -0800 (PST) From: "Eric M. Winslow" Subject: Re: more on parallel parking ticket To: dc-cycles list In-Reply-To: <3E1192CB.B641A784@patriot.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Actually, I've had good luck dealing with silly DC parking tickets through the mail. The last time, they actually wrote me back, giving me a chance to provide photos of the spot in question. Can't complain about that. Eric M. Winslow '94 KLR 650 --- "William J. Huson" wrote: > Tom Gimer wrote: > > > what does "force majeure" have to do with this situation? > > i thought that expression translated to "act of god," such > > as earthquake, flood, etc. > > > > in my experience, people who write letters rather than > > appearing personally rarely (if ever) have success with > > their defenses. > > Especially when dealing with the DC Gubmint. One has to able to READ > and understand the letter, and we are talking DC Gubmint employees... > > Bill > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 2 15:21:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h02KLDO7005306; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 15:21:13 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h02KLDKt005298; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 15:21:13 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 15:21:11 -0500 Message-Id: <200301021521.AA72679964@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: dc-cycles list Subject: Re: more on parallel parking ticket X-Mailer: Wow! That's pretty amazing. I protested 3 tickets in about 3 years of parking in DC. Two I never heard about again so I assume they were removed (ha ha! But I've sold that bike). One had to do with a "typo" on a temporary tag, and they wrote back that they were satisfied with my explanation and removed the ticket. Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Eric M. Winslow" Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 12:13:41 -0800 (PST) >Actually, I've had good luck dealing with silly DC parking tickets >through the mail. The last time, they actually wrote me back, giving me >a chance to provide photos of the spot in question. > >Can't complain about that. > >Eric M. Winslow >'94 KLR 650 > > >--- "William J. Huson" wrote: >> Tom Gimer wrote: >> >> > what does "force majeure" have to do with this situation? >> > i thought that expression translated to "act of god," such >> > as earthquake, flood, etc. >> > >> > in my experience, people who write letters rather than >> > appearing personally rarely (if ever) have success with >> > their defenses. >> >> Especially when dealing with the DC Gubmint. One has to able to READ >> and understand the letter, and we are talking DC Gubmint employees... >> >> Bill >> > > >__________________________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. >http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 2 16:38:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h02LcgO7006260; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 16:38:42 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h02Lcf8Q006253; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 16:38:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030102213838.8234.qmail@web14001.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 13:38:38 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: heated gloves question To: Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services , DCCycles In-Reply-To: <92EE52C13F8034478B4B9F85DA67A66640927D@rnc1.rnchq.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii This one is easy. Get an inline fuse holder from an auto parts place. Buy a few 5A (or 10A) fuses for it. Remove the fuse from the fuse holder and wire the fuse holder to the battery. Take a piece of lamp cord and connect one wire to the fuse holder and the other to the negative post of the battery. Use an appropriate connector to attach each of the two wires at the other end of the lamp cord to each of the two wires on the gloves. A switch to turn it on and off would also be nice. Leon --- Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services wrote: > > After freazing my hands a couple of times, I decided > to buy heated glove liners from Kreamer Technologies > (https://tp-commerce.techpro.com/kreamer/cartsys/shopexd.asp?id=48) > This way, I can use my Teknic Speedstar gloves for > maximum protection. > > That said, the liners come with a battery pack (no > batteries). I can certainly use the batteries, but > I would prefer to hook this up to my bike battery. > Can someone give me some pointers on how to do this? > I have two left hands :( Tbe power draw, Pair is > 1.25 A @ 12 VDC, 15 Watts. > > Witold > www.witold.org/bike/bike.php3 > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Custer, Carl > [mailto:Carl.Custer@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 1:34 PM > > To: 'DCCycles' > > Cc: 'zetland@XXXXXX'; > 'thelostshark@XXXXXX' > > Subject: Really Good Advice > > > > A cheaper alternative could be: > > > https://tp-commerce.techpro.com/kreamer/cartsys/shopdisplaypro > > ducts.asp?id= > > I haven't tried these (Already have a pair of > Gerbings) > > > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 2 17:58:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h02MwiO7007659; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 17:58:44 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h02MwhMW007649; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 17:58:43 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030102225836.57449.qmail@web41104.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 14:58:36 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: more on parallel parking ticket To: garcia oliver Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii i think you'd do better with an "impossibility" defense than force majeure. i don't see the latter applying here at all. anyway, good luck! --- garcia oliver wrote: > t_gimer@XXXXXX writes: > >what does "force majeure" have to do with this > situation? > >i thought that expression translated to "act of god," > such > >as earthquake, flood, etc. > > Hi Tom, et al (just practicing 8^) )B“Force Majeure > [literally )B“stronger > force)B”] excuses a party from liability if some unforseen > event beyond the > control of that party prevents it from performing its > obligations. > Typically, force majeure clauses cover natural disasters > or other "Acts of > God", war, or the failure of third parties--such as > suppliers and > subcontractors--to perform their obligations to the > contracting party. > Force majeure clauses are intended to excuse a party only > if the failure > to perform could not be avoided by the exercise of due > care by that party.)B” > > In my force majeure argument I)B’m asserting that I was > unable to meet the > regulation)B’s requirement to park parallel due to the > )B“stronger force” > combination of crowned road and the nature of motorcycle > center- and side > stands, and that my )B“failure to perform could not be > avoided by the > exercise of due care.)B” Probably should have used Viagra. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 3 09:07:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h03E7EO7015001; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 09:07:14 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h03E7CQ8014991; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 09:07:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <200301031407.QBB82435@vmms2.verisignmail.com> Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 09:07:13 -0500 From: Dave Yates Subject: parking in the OTHER Washington... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mirapoint Webmail Direct 2.9.3.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id h03E7BO7014979 from the Seattle times: Man parks, leaves his headlights on, gets a $28 ticket By Janet Burkitt Seattle Times staff reporter John Seth was not happy when he returned to his car after making an early afternoon delivery in downtown Seattle last month and found that he'd left his lights on. He was even less pleased when a city parking-enforcement officer handed him a $28 parking ticket. Not for being in a space illegally or for having an expired meter )B— it was for those headlights. " 'You left your lights on,' " Seth recalled the parking officer saying. 'We can cite for it, so we do.' " Seattle's law on lights Every vehicle shall be equipped with one (1) or more lamps, which, when lighted, shall display a white or amber light visible from a distance of one thousand feet (1,000') to the front of the vehicle, and a red light visible from a distance of one thousand feet (1,000') to the rear of the vehicle. The location of the lamp or lamps shall be such that at least one (1) lamp or combination of lamps meeting the requirements of this section is installed as near as practicable to the side of the vehicle which is closest to passing traffic. (RCW 46.37.150(1) Seattle Municipal Code, 11.82.300 "It's just insane." Seth said yesterday. "And the worst part of it was she smiled when she gave it to me and said, 'Merry Christmas.' " Seth, a driver for the film company Film Stop, had no idea he could get a parking ticket merely for forgetting to turn off his lights )B— and he's not alone. The handful of police, city and court officials who could be reached yesterday said they'd never heard of anyone being penalized for such a thing. "Even I am not aware of a law" that makes leaving lights on a citable offense, said Leo Poort, legal counsel to the Seattle Police Department. "It'd be news to me." On Seth's parking ticket, he's cited for "Lights, parked vehicle." The part of the city code cited doesn't explicitly say anything about leaving a parked car's lights on, but rather details how a vehicle's lights need to be properly working (which Seth says his were). A city ordinance does make it illegal to leave a car parked with the high beams on, and state law referred to in the city code declares that headlights of parked cars "shall be depressed or dimmed." Nevertheless, police spokeswoman Deanna Nollette said she hadn't known that leaving car lights on was a parking infraction in Seattle until she talked to a parking- enforcement supervisor yesterday. She said she never issued citations under such circumstances when she was working as a patrol officer, but did try to turn the lights off as a courtesy if the car was unlocked. She said it's not general practice within the department to give tickets simply for forgetting about headlights, but it is within an officer's discretion to do so. The supervisor said the officer who issued Seth's citation was relatively new on the job and had talked to one of her superiors after issuing the ticket because she'd had second thoughts about it, according to Nollette. The officer was told she could cancel the ticket and was going to do just that, but Seth's car was already gone, Nollette said. The parking-enforcement unit had been made aware of Seth's complaints and was prepared to rescind his ticket but hadn't heard from him again, Nollette said. Seth couldn't be reached yesterday to comment on Nollette's explanation, but said earlier that his employer would likely pay the ticket because he got it on the job. But he said that doesn't matter. "I feel cheated," he said. "I've got better things to do than to mess around with things like this." He figured contesting it in court would be time-consuming, and he was doubtful a magistrate would strike the fine completely anyway. If there's any silver lining for Seth, it might be that if he had gotten the ticket today, it would be $38 instead of $28 because of the city's efforts to balance the 2003 budget. Still, "For the life of me, I can't figure out what the public-safety issue is," Seth said. "I mean, is a small child going to walk too near to your lights and be vaporized?" [Dave] These Seattle meter maids must've interned in DC :-| Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 3 09:23:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h03ENfO7015649; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 09:23:41 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h03ENcof015639; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 09:23:38 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Really-To: Message-ID: <007c01c2b333$6ec6edf0$c000a8c0@C4ZJ911> From: "Gary Foreman" To: References: <200301031407.QBB82435@vmms2.verisignmail.com> Subject: Cycle show at Chantilly this weekend? Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 09:21:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 So, is this just a big "Harley" show or will there be sportbikes also? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 3 09:38:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h03EcSO7016231; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 09:38:28 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h03EcS2R016221; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 09:38:28 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030103143820.66492.qmail@web40902.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 06:38:20 -0800 (PST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: "His Harley comes out when the snow falls" To: DC-Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Saw this article in the newspaper when visiting my folks last week: "His Harley Comes out when the snow falls" http://www.nhregister.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=6527134&BRD=1281&PAG=461&dept_id=7573&rfi=8 (they set the site so I can't cut and paste the article itself) Basically a guy in Connecticut who rides all year long, uses tires designed for VW Beetles, with studs. My favorite lines were: "Police often stop him, sometimes to show concern, sometimes to warn him, and occasionally to order him off the road. He continues on, knowing that he's breaking no laws." Sure, like that ever stopped the police? ;-) The newspaper included a nice shot of him riding down a nice snowy lane. Too bad it's not on the web article. Louis ===== "Admiral" Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours Fairfax, VA Co-Planner, MD20-20 http://www.masondixon20-20.org/ Home Page: http://www.geocities.com/nighthawk700/cycle.htm __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 3 09:39:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h03EdvO7016267; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 09:39:57 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h03EdvWa016260; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 09:39:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: Subject: Re: Cycle show at Chantilly this weekend? Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 09:39:55 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <200301031407.QBB82435@vmms2.verisignmail.com> <007c01c2b333$6ec6edf0$c000a8c0@C4ZJ911> In-Reply-To: <007c01c2b333$6ec6edf0$c000a8c0@C4ZJ911> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0301030939552M.31872@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Better yet, what show? Carl On Friday 03 January 2003 09:21, Gary Foreman wrote: > So, is this just a big "Harley" show or will there be sportbikes also? > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 3 09:40:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h03EepO7016305; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 09:40:51 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h03EepNM016301; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 09:40:51 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030103144049.67683.qmail@web11104.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 06:40:49 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: Cycle show at Chantilly this weekend? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <007c01c2b333$6ec6edf0$c000a8c0@C4ZJ911> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Harley show. I went a few years ago and was sorely disappointed. Even had I been into cruisers, I think I would have been less than impressed. Chris Weaver --- Gary Foreman wrote: > So, is this just a big "Harley" show or will there > be sportbikes also? > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 3 09:41:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h03EfVO7016847; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 09:41:31 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h03EfVUB016838; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 09:41:31 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Really-To: Message-ID: <009701c2b335$eca5c280$c000a8c0@C4ZJ911> From: "Gary Foreman" To: "Carl Schelin" , References: <200301031407.QBB82435@vmms2.verisignmail.com> <007c01c2b333$6ec6edf0$c000a8c0@C4ZJ911> <0301030939552M.31872@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Subject: Re: Cycle show at Chantilly this weekend? Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 09:39:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 http://www.cycleprousa.com/showinfo.cfm?showid=8 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl Schelin" To: Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 9:39 AM Subject: Re: Cycle show at Chantilly this weekend? > Better yet, what show? > > Carl > > On Friday 03 January 2003 09:21, Gary Foreman wrote: > > So, is this just a big "Harley" show or will there be sportbikes also? > > > > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 3 09:42:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h03EgTO7017377; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 09:42:29 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h03EgTlu017368; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 09:42:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: "His Harley comes out when the snow falls" Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 09:42:26 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <20030103143820.66492.qmail@web40902.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20030103143820.66492.qmail@web40902.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0301030942262N.31872@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Friday 03 January 2003 09:38, Louis F. Caplan wrote: > Saw this article in the newspaper when visiting my folks last week: > > > "His Harley Comes out when the snow falls" > > http://www.nhregister.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=6527134&BRD=1281&PAG=461&dep >t_id=7573&rfi=8 > > (they set the site so I can't cut and paste the article itself) His Harley comes out when the snow falls Associated Press December 28, 2002 NEW MILFORD - On Christmas Day, when three dozen flights into and out of Bradley International Airport were canceled due to snow, Bill Wilcox was headed to Dutchess County in New York on his Harley-Davidson. The following day, when a foot of snow covered western Connecticut, Wilcox rode to Suffield, Mass. "Every day, I take off for a ride," he told The News-Times of Danbury as he warmed up inside his motorcycle repair shop in Gaylordsville. Most motorcycle owners have long since stowed their bikes for the winter. As fall edges into winter, the number of bikers dwindles. By the first snowfall, there's almost no one on the roads. "I never see anybody on snowy days, when it's treacherous," Wilcox said. If that makes Wilcox a curiosity, it doesn't seem to bother the soft-spoken, 60-year-old father of four. Plow drivers and people with Harley-Davidson stickers on their cars give him enthusiastic thumbs-up gestures as he tools along at speeds of up to 60 mph on the highways. Others aren't so appreciative. Some tailgate, others yell. "You get some people who almost attack you. This morning a woman at a restaurant said I was crazy," he said. Police often stop him, sometimes to show concern, sometimes to warn him, and occasionally to order him off the road. He continues on, knowing that he's breaking no laws. After all, he's been riding through the snow for decades. He rode through the blizzard of 1978, when Connecticut Gov. Ella T. Grasso closed the roads. The challenge began in the 1960s when Wilcox was working at a motorcycle shop in Greenwich. The owner drove his motorcycle to work every day year round. "I was in awe. I had to do it," Wilcox said. It took him years and scores of mishaps to master the art of guiding a two-wheeled vehicle over snow, ice and slush. He even tried a sidecar for a while. It stabilized the bike, but it felt too much like cheating. He tried dozens of tires over the years before hitting the jackpot with winter tires designed for old Volkswagen Beetles. The 15-inch wheels slice through snow like a hot knife, he said. But they were hard to find until Wilcox located a Dutch company that still makes them. He adds studs to the tires for traction on ice. Wilcox said he's had his share of falls, but he's never been seriously hurt. Even so, he doesn't expect to see more winter riders soon. Snow riding is physically and mentally exhausting, he said. "Sometimes you can't feel the bike under you at all," Wilcox said. Friend Rich Foster of New Milford can attest to the mental challenge. He was once riding with Wilcox when they got caught in a snowstorm. "You're concentrating all the time," said Foster, who added he will never again ride in snow. Then there's the cost. Wilcox goes through a set of tires a year and bikes don't last very long as they aren't designed to withstand salt. And forget about the wind in your face. Wilcox is covered from helmet to boots with a suit to absorb the splatter of snow, ice, salt and sand that can coat both bike and rider. He doesn't look pretty at the end of a ride, but says it's worth it. "I do it because I love it," he said. -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 3 09:43:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h03EhwO7017913; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 09:43:58 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h03Ehvbx017905; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 09:43:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030103144350.56524.qmail@web11105.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 06:43:50 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: "His Harley comes out when the snow falls" To: DC-Cycles In-Reply-To: <20030103143820.66492.qmail@web40902.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hmm... I managed to cut and paste the article. Chris Weaver ---- NEW MILFORD )B— On Christmas Day, when three dozen flights into and out of Bradley International Airport were canceled due to snow, Bill Wilcox was headed to Dutchess County in New York on his Harley-Davidson. The following day, when a foot of snow covered western Connecticut, Wilcox rode to Suffield, Mass. "Every day, I take off for a ride," he told The News-Times of Danbury as he warmed up inside his motorcycle repair shop in Gaylordsville. Most motorcycle owners have long since stowed their bikes for the winter. As fall edges into winter, the number of bikers dwindles. By the first snowfall, there)B’s almost no one on the roads. "I never see anybody on snowy days, when it)B’s treacherous," Wilcox said. If that makes Wilcox a curiosity, it doesn)B’t seem to bother the soft-spoken, 60-year-old father of four. Plow drivers and people with Harley-Davidson stickers on their cars give him enthusiastic thumbs-up gestures as he tools along at speeds of up to 60 mph on the highways. Others aren)B’t so appreciative. Some tailgate, others yell. "You get some people who almost attack you. This morning a woman at a restaurant said I was crazy," he said. Police often stop him, sometimes to show concern, sometimes to warn him, and occasionally to order him off the road. He continues on, knowing that he)B’s breaking no laws. After all, he)B’s been riding through the snow for decades. He rode through the blizzard of 1978, when Connecticut Gov. Ella T. Grasso closed the roads. The challenge began in the 1960s when Wilcox was working at a motorcycle shop in Greenwich. The owner drove his motorcycle to work every day year round. "I was in awe. I had to do it," Wilcox said. It took him years and scores of mishaps to master the art of guiding a two-wheeled vehicle over snow, ice and slush. He even tried a sidecar for a while. It stabilized the bike, but it felt too much like cheating. He tried dozens of tires over the years before hitting the jackpot with winter tires designed for old Volkswagen Beetles. The 15-inch wheels slice through snow like a hot knife, he said. But they were hard to find until Wilcox located a Dutch company that still makes them. He adds studs to the tires for traction on ice. Wilcox said he)B’s had his share of falls, but he’s never been seriously hurt. Even so, he doesn)B’t expect to see more winter riders soon. Snow riding is physically and mentally exhausting, he said. "Sometimes you can)B’t feel the bike under you at all," Wilcox said. Friend Rich Foster of New Milford can attest to the mental challenge. He was once riding with Wilcox when they got caught in a snowstorm. "You)B’re concentrating all the time," said Foster, who added he will never again ride in snow. Then there)B’s the cost. Wilcox goes through a set of tires a year and bikes don)B’t last very long as they aren)B’t designed to withstand salt. And forget about the wind in your face. Wilcox is covered from helmet to boots with a suit to absorb the splatter of snow, ice, salt and sand that can coat both bike and rider. He doesn)B’t look pretty at the end of a ride, but says it)B’s worth it. "I do it because I love it," he said. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 3 09:44:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h03EiAO7017943; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 09:44:10 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h03EiAqn017939; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 09:44:10 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <00dd01c2b336$f4be18e0$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Chris Weaver" , References: <20030103144049.67683.qmail@web11104.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Cycle show at Chantilly this weekend? Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 09:46:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Yep, but the "big" International MC Show is coming in March. Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - IBA # 12143 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Weaver" > Harley show. I went a few years ago and was sorely > disappointed. Even had I been into cruisers, I think I > would have been less than impressed. > > Chris Weaver From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 3 09:46:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h03EkLO7018556; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 09:46:21 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h03EkKri018549; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 09:46:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 09:57:53 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: Cycle show at Chantilly this weekend? In-Reply-To: <20030103144049.67683.qmail@web11104.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 3 Jan 2003, Chris Weaver wrote: > Harley show. I went a few years ago and was sorely > disappointed. Even had I been into cruisers, I think I > would have been less than impressed. > > Chris Weaver Much like the B'more show I attended last year. It wasn't necessarily a cruiser-fest, but more Boss Hoss/cruisers than other bikes and there wasn't any manufacturer that was represented very well. It was just a dealer show, where dealers brought out whatever they felt like loading in a truck before they left their shop. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 3 09:47:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h03ElDO7018587; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 09:47:13 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h03ElCI0018583; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 09:47:13 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: "Gary Foreman" , Subject: Re: Cycle show at Chantilly this weekend? Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 09:46:51 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" References: <200301031407.QBB82435@vmms2.verisignmail.com> <0301030939552M.31872@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> <009701c2b335$eca5c280$c000a8c0@C4ZJ911> In-Reply-To: <009701c2b335$eca5c280$c000a8c0@C4ZJ911> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0301030946512P.31872@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Friday 03 January 2003 09:39, Gary Foreman wrote: > http://www.cycleprousa.com/showinfo.cfm?showid=8 > Thanks. I love the guys who can't create standard websites. When I click on "Bike Show" I get "The parameter is incorrect". Of course, if I change the spaces in the parameter; "Mid-Atlantic Motorcycle Spectactular" with %20, I get the badly created page. (snipe, snipe, snipe) Carl > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Carl Schelin" > To: > Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 9:39 AM > Subject: Re: Cycle show at Chantilly this weekend? > > > Better yet, what show? > > > > Carl > > > > On Friday 03 January 2003 09:21, Gary Foreman wrote: > > > So, is this just a big "Harley" show or will there be sportbikes also? -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 3 09:47:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h03ElaO7019611; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 09:47:36 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h03ElaLK019607; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 09:47:36 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 09:47:34 -0500 Message-Id: <200301030947.AA276365734@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: "His Harley comes out when the snow falls" X-Mailer: Excellent! He doesn't even need VW tires, motorcycle tires with screw-in studs would probably handle better. I do have to take exception to his saying using a sidecar rig is cheating - sidecars are wonderful in the snow! -- Chris Norloff, Virginia '92 Honda ST1100 ABS STOC #1290 '90 Honda Pacific Coast (PC800) "Callipygian" '81 Honda CB750F with Jupiter sidecar '73 Yamaha TY250 vintage trials bike '73 Honda TL125 vintage trials bike "Soul-less Appliance" - a pejorative term for a motorcycle that doesn't break down. -- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 3 09:56:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h03EuWO7021665; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 09:56:32 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h03EuW3t021659; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 09:56:32 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 09:56:29 -0500 Subject: Lost key From: Richard Westbrook To: DC-Cycles Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jan 2003 14:56:30.0046 (UTC) FILETIME=[4C5C67E0:01C2B338] I think I may hove lost the key to my bike (95 Honda vfr). I haven't given up hope finding it yet, but it got me thinking. How can I get a replacement? Can I get a new one from Honda? do I need a locksmith? new lock? -Rich From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 3 10:00:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h03F0BO7022216; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 10:00:11 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h03F0BcT022207; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 10:00:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030103150004.13175.qmail@web40909.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 07:00:04 -0800 (PST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: "His Harley comes out when the snow falls" To: Chris Weaver , DC-Cycles In-Reply-To: <20030103144350.56524.qmail@web11105.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Next time if I can't do it in Netscape, I'll try IE before giving up. *shrug* Louis --- Chris Weaver wrote: > Hmm... I managed to cut and paste the article. > > Chris Weaver > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 3 10:00:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h03F0YO7022246; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 10:00:34 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h03F0Y0U022239; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 10:00:34 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <00fb01c2b338$d5edff00$9865fea9@Godzilla> Reply-To: "S. Russell \(Mongo\)" From: "S. Russell \(Mongo\)" To: "Richard Westbrook" , "DC-Cycles" References: Subject: Re: Lost key Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 10:00:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 If you bought it new and you still have the paperwork from it, there should be a key code that you can take to a dealer and get a key made from it. If you don't have that it might get expensive. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Westbrook" To: "DC-Cycles" Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 9:56 AM Subject: Lost key > I think I may hove lost the key to my bike (95 Honda vfr). I haven't given > up hope finding it yet, but it got me thinking. How can I get a replacement? > Can I get a new one from Honda? do I need a locksmith? new lock? > > > -Rich > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 3 10:04:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h03F4gO7023305; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 10:04:42 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h03F4gCE023298; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 10:04:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <200301031504.KAA22704@boo-mda02.boo.net> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: lisagoddard@XXXXXX Subject: parking tickets Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 15:04:41 GMT X-Mailer: Endymion MailMan Standard Edition v3.0.20 Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 12:13:41 -0800 (PST) From: "Eric M. Winslow" Subject: Re: more on parallel parking ticket To: dc-cycles list Actually, I've had good luck dealing with silly DC parking tickets through the mail. The last time, they actually wrote me back, giving me a chance to provide photos of the spot in question. Can't complain about that. Eric M. Winslow '94 KLR 650 I must agree with Eric. I was sent a nasty letter about an overdue parking ticket with DC. Upon further examination I found that the ticket was never mine to begin with. The meter reader was one character off when he/she entered the plate number of the supposed parking sinner. Due to this type my plates came up. I wrote a quick letter explaining that I had a Nissan, not the make and model listed on the ticket. Ticket waived, written note sent to me in the mail. All in all, kind of a pain to have to write a letter to prove my innocence but they were quite nice in dealing with it. I must also ad that every time I have argued a parking ticket in Montgomery County when I knew I did no wrong has been easy. (I just suck it up and pay it when I know I parked illegally). I have written the kind folks in Rockville on numerous occasions. They always reply fast, sometimes too fast by calling me back in less than 24 hours and catching me off guard. Lisa Goddard www.motorcycleleatherexchange.com '95 VFR '92 FZR 600 --------------------------------------------- This message was sent using Endymion MailMan. http://www.endymion.com/products/mailman/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 3 10:07:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h03F7eO7023849; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 10:07:40 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h03F7enU023837; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 10:07:40 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E15A6AC.3CE106A8@tasam.com> Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 10:05:16 -0500 From: Skip Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: "His Harley comes out when the snow falls" References: <20030103143820.66492.qmail@web40902.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit "Louis F. Caplan" wrote: > > Saw this article in the newspaper when visiting my folks last week: > > "His Harley Comes out when the snow falls" > > http://www.nhregister.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=6527134&BRD=1281&PAG=461&dept_id=7573&rfi=8 > the most telling this I saw was this quote from his friend: ""You)B’re concentrating all the time," said Foster" shouldn't he be concentrating all the time anyway??!? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 3 10:11:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h03FAxO7024398; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 10:11:00 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h03FAxQi024388; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 10:10:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: "His Harley comes out when the snow falls" Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 10:10:57 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <20030103150004.13175.qmail@web40909.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20030103150004.13175.qmail@web40909.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0301031010572R.31872@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I'm using Konqueror on Mandrake. I blew away my NT system when they forced me to install NAV and it deleted my inbox of 9,700 messages. Carl On Friday 03 January 2003 10:00, Louis F. Caplan wrote: > Next time if I can't do it in Netscape, I'll try IE before giving up. > *shrug* > > Louis > > --- Chris Weaver wrote: > > Hmm... I managed to cut and paste the article. > > > > Chris Weaver > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 3 10:44:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h03FiCO7025061; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 10:44:12 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h03FhjB9025044; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 10:43:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 10:43:41 -0500 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: gforeman@XXXXXX, cschelin@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Cycle show at Chantilly this weekend? MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <08244EC2.4A4DB1BB.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Better to just wait for the show in March. http://wdc.motorcycleshows.com/imswdc/V33/index.cvn Same one going on in New York next weekend. Anyone know if this is this the first time it's been to the DC area? Scooter In a message dated 1/3/2003 9:39:23 AM Eastern Standard Time, gforeman@XXXXXX writes: > > > http://www.cycleprousa.com/showinfo.cfm?showid=8 > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Carl Schelin" > To: > Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 9:39 AM > Subject: Re: Cycle show at Chantilly this weekend? > > > > Better yet, what show? > > > > Carl > > > > On Friday 03 January 2003 09:21, Gary Foreman wrote: > > > So, is this just a big "Harley" show or will there be > sportbikes also? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 3 11:08:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h03G8qO7025693; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 11:08:52 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h03G8i0V025683; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 11:08:44 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030103160841.19206.qmail@web14005.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 08:08:41 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Cycle show at Chantilly this weekend? To: Paul Wilson , Chris Weaver , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <00dd01c2b336$f4be18e0$bb82fea9@palladio1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The New York Show is 10-12 January. Is anyone going this year? I'm considering a ride to New York. Leon --- Paul Wilson wrote: > Yep, but the "big" International MC Show is coming > in March. > > Paul in DC > 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - IBA # 12143 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris Weaver" > > > > Harley show. I went a few years ago and was sorely > > disappointed. Even had I been into cruisers, I > think I > > would have been less than impressed. > > > > Chris Weaver > > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 3 11:15:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h03GFhO7026253; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 11:15:43 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h03GFh56026243; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 11:15:43 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <006701c2b343$baaa5120$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Richard Westbrook" , "DC-Cycles" References: Subject: Re: Lost key Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 11:17:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Rich, et al., I've been curious about this myself, should I ever manage to lose both keys, so I searched the VFR list quickly and yielded this. ----------------- Greetings and salutations, Did the same thing to my 92.You need to take the lock off a couple of bolts under the steering head (torx I think). Then bring the whole lock to your friendly Honda Dealer ,the key number is on the lock it self they put the number into their key cutter and TAADAA...new key,Cost me like 4 bucks for two keys. Of course then I found the original. Hope it helps, Lazarus Long http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~lists/archive/vfr/199702/msg00663.html PS. You could prolly do the same thing with the helmet/seat lock if you don't want to mess with the ignition. Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - IBA # 12143 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Westbrook" To: "DC-Cycles" Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 9:56 AM Subject: Lost key > I think I may hove lost the key to my bike (95 Honda vfr). I haven't given > up hope finding it yet, but it got me thinking. How can I get a replacement? > Can I get a new one from Honda? do I need a locksmith? new lock? > > > -Rich > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 3 11:30:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h03GUcO7026853; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 11:30:38 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h03GUaeM026838; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 11:30:36 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <200301031630.LAA01670@boo-mda02.boo.net> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: lisagoddard@XXXXXX Subject: MARRC Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 16:30:35 GMT X-Mailer: Endymion MailMan Standard Edition v3.0.20 Who out there is going to the MARRC banquet later this month? http://www.marrc.org/html_docs/news02/banquet_ad.html Please reply directly to me as I am digestly-challenged. thanks, Lisa Goddard www.motorcycleleatherexchange.com '95 VFR '92 FZR 600 --------------------------------------------- This message was sent using Endymion MailMan. http://www.endymion.com/products/mailman/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 3 11:57:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h03GvCO7027479; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 11:57:12 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h03GvBbk027474; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 11:57:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-id: Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 11:57:34 -0500 Subject: Re: more on parallel parking ticket To: t_gimer@XXXXXX, cnorloff@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "garcia oliver" References: <20030102225836.57449.qmail@web41104.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20030102225836.57449.qmail@web41104.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit They seem to be the same thing to me...but I do agree that using the term "force majeure" is not likely to be helpful. Thanks again. --garcia "All of us are smarter than any of us." --------------------------------------------------------------- i think you'd do better with an "impossibility" defense than force majeure. i don't see the latter applying here at all. anyway, good luck! --- garcia oliver wrote: >> t_gimer@XXXXXX writes: >> >what does "force majeure" have to do with this >> situation? >> >i thought that expression translated to "act of god," >> such >> >as earthquake, flood, etc. >> >> Hi Tom, et al (just practicing 8^) )B“Force Majeure >> [literally )B“stronger >> force)B”] excuses a party from liability if some unforseen >> event beyond the >> control of that party prevents it from performing its >> obligations. >> Typically, force majeure clauses cover natural disasters >> or other "Acts of >> God", war, or the failure of third parties--such as >> suppliers and >> subcontractors--to perform their obligations to the >> contracting party. >> Force majeure clauses are intended to excuse a party only >> if the failure >> to perform could not be avoided by the exercise of due >> care by that party.)B” >> >> In my force majeure argument I)B’m asserting that I was >> unable to meet the >> regulation)B’s requirement to park parallel due to the >> )B“stronger force” >> combination of crowned road and the nature of motorcycle >> center- and side >> stands, and that my )B“failure to perform could not be >> avoided by the >> exercise of due care.)B” Probably should have used Viagra. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 3 13:18:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h03IIJO7028662; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 13:18:19 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h03III7F028652; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 13:18:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <147.6c3ee3c.2b472de2@aol.com> Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 13:18:10 EST Subject: Re: Lost key To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 1/3/2003 9:57:02 AM Eastern Standard Time, rwestbrook@XXXXXX writes: > I think I may hove lost the key to my bike Free advice (and worth every penny) ALWAYS, always, always carry a spare key! I have one in my back pocket right now, it has bailed my ass out many, many times over the years. (And that is a lot of years.) Started carrying one way back in high school when I left the key in my first bike and some smart ass stole it (the key not the bike) leaving me stranded. Not only do you not get stranded but you can just go to a key shop for a new one. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 3 13:20:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h03IKYO7029210; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 13:20:34 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h03IKYeM029198; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 13:20:34 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <38.33959db0.2b472e68@aol.com> Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 13:20:24 EST Subject: Re: more on parallel parking ticket To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 1/3/2003 11:57:30 AM Eastern Standard Time, garicao@XXXXXX writes: > "All of us are smarter than any of us." Or perhaps "any of us are smarter then all of them???" Anyhow, it feels like that sometimes. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 3 13:25:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h03IPFO7029783; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 13:25:15 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h03IPCXj029768; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 13:25:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 13:24:57 -0500 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: mriderleon@XXXXXX, pawilson@XXXXXX, chris_vtr@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Cycle show at Chantilly this weekend? MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <792EFEB0.19526E11.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I was thinking about it. Riding up with someone might be incentive enough for me to go. You would be riding, right? Saturday morning? Keep me posted if you are and I'll let you know. Also, you can still buy tickets on-line since they ship FedEx. If you order by Sunday, it's only $12 a ticket. If I'm gonna go, I want to order mine that way instead of standing in line. http://nyc.motorcycleshows.com/imsnyc/V33/index.cvn Scooter In a message dated 1/3/2003 11:08:41 AM Eastern Standard Time, mriderleon@XXXXXX writes: > > > The New York Show is 10-12 January. Is anyone going > this year? I'm considering a ride to New York. > > Leon > > --- Paul Wilson wrote: > > Yep, but the "big" International MC Show is coming > > in March. > > > > Paul in DC > > 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - IBA # 12143 > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Chris Weaver" > > > > > > > Harley show. I went a few years ago and was sorely > > > disappointed. Even had I been into cruisers, I > > think I > > > would have been less than impressed. > > > > > > Chris Weaver > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 3 13:30:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h03IUxO7030330; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 13:30:59 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h03IUwdO030319; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 13:30:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Lost key Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 13:30:57 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" References: <147.6c3ee3c.2b472de2@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <147.6c3ee3c.2b472de2@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0301031330572Y.31872@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Friday 03 January 2003 13:18, PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 1/3/2003 9:57:02 AM Eastern Standard Time, > > rwestbrook@XXXXXX writes: > > I think I may hove lost the key to my bike > > Free advice (and worth every penny) > > ALWAYS, always, always carry a spare key! I have one in my back pocket > right now, it has bailed my ass out many, many times over the years. (And > that is a lot of years.) > Started carrying one way back in high school when I left the key in my > first bike and some smart ass stole it (the key not the bike) leaving me > stranded. > I carry a spare house key. I used to carry a spare car key but I bought a truck and the keys have the big plastic junk on it. And the Harley keys are wacky in size. My wife carries my spare hawg key now. > Not only do you not get stranded but you can just go to a key shop for a > new one. > Oh yea. > John. > PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 3 13:41:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h03IfPO7030919; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 13:41:25 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h03IfPOC030909; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 13:41:25 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <19c.ea8fb1d.2b473351@aol.com> Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 13:41:21 EST Subject: Re: Lost key To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 1/3/2003 1:32:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, cschelin@XXXXXX writes: > I bought a > truck and the keys have the big plastic junk on it. Hammer. > And the Harley keys are > wacky in size. My wife carries my spare hawg key now. Hack saw. Both of the above were true of my spare Honda key, both techniques were used. My spare is quite small now. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 3 13:45:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h03IjMO7031479; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 13:45:22 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h03IjMYq031470; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 13:45:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E15DB82.542C2D92@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 13:50:42 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Lost key References: <147.6c3ee3c.2b472de2@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 1/3/2003 9:57:02 AM Eastern Standard Time, > rwestbrook@XXXXXX writes: > > > I think I may hove lost the key to my bike > > Free advice (and worth every penny) > > ALWAYS, always, always carry a spare key! I have one in my back pocket right > now, it has bailed my ass out many, many times over the years. (And that is a > lot of years.) > Started carrying one way back in high school when I left the key in my first > bike and some smart ass stole it (the key not the bike) leaving me stranded. > > Not only do you not get stranded but you can just go to a key shop for a new > one. > > John. > PenguinBiker@XXXXXX I never carry a spare key because I don't have one. The spare key was lost by the crew at Crossroads Cycles while they were installing the breather backwards and failing to tighten several bolts including the one that held the cam gear on which rendered the bike senseless after 40 miles. No spare for my pickemup truck either. Dealer couldn't find it when I bought it new in `89. I luv quality service! Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 3 13:56:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h03Iu9O7031589; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 13:56:09 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h03Iu80o031579; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 13:56:08 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E15DE0C.76AF1059@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 14:01:32 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Lost key References: <19c.ea8fb1d.2b473351@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 1/3/2003 1:32:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, > cschelin@XXXXXX writes: > > > I bought a > > truck and the keys have the big plastic junk on it. > > Hammer. > > > And the Harley keys are > > wacky in size. My wife carries my spare hawg key now. > > Hack saw. > > Both of the above were true of my spare Honda key, both techniques were used. > My spare is quite small now. > > John. > PenguinBiker@XXXXXX hee hee, I love your approach, John. Did the hacksaw trick on a spark plug size Craftsman combo wrench to shorten it for easy storage. And I'm fixing to cut, saw, clip, and smush the housing onone of those 12 v mini-compressors. Should bring it down from lunchbox size to pocket size. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 3 13:57:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h03IvxO7032613; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 13:57:59 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h03Ivx8u032605; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 13:57:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Lost key Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 13:57:58 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <147.6c3ee3c.2b472de2@aol.com> <3E15DB82.542C2D92@patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <3E15DB82.542C2D92@patriot.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <03010313575832.31872@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Friday 03 January 2003 13:50, William J. Huson wrote: > PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > > In a message dated 1/3/2003 9:57:02 AM Eastern Standard Time, > > > > rwestbrook@XXXXXX writes: > > > I think I may hove lost the key to my bike > > > > Free advice (and worth every penny) > > > > ALWAYS, always, always carry a spare key! I have one in my back pocket > > right now, it has bailed my ass out many, many times over the years. (And > > that is a lot of years.) > > Started carrying one way back in high school when I left the key in my > > first bike and some smart ass stole it (the key not the bike) leaving me > > stranded. > > > > Not only do you not get stranded but you can just go to a key shop for a > > new one. > > > > John. > > PenguinBiker@XXXXXX > > I never carry a spare key because I don't have one. The spare key was lost > by the crew at Crossroads Cycles while they were installing the breather > backwards and failing to tighten several bolts including the one that held > the cam gear on which rendered the bike senseless after 40 miles. No spare > for my pickemup truck either. Dealer couldn't find it when I bought it new > in `89. > Oh well, if you want to go there. When I bought the truck (from the Chevy dealer on Rt 7) the door open bell would go off whenever it felt like it. After being told to just turn up the radio or ignore it, I made them replace the ignition. Of course they didn't replace the door locks so I have a door key and an ignition key. > I luv quality service! And people wonder why I'm going through this trouble with the CB750 :-) While going home last year I pulled up next to a guy (Flea was his name) broken down in HOV. His bike was just out of the shop for the 10,000 mile checkup but it wouldn't start. It turned though. I offered my cell phone and had someone come out to get him. > > Bill Have a good weekend all. I'm outta here. Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 3 14:07:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h03J71O7000750; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 14:07:01 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h03J707E000733; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 14:07:00 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E15DE0A.9856250F@carlparker.com> Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 14:01:30 -0500 From: Carl Parker X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en,zh-CN MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DCCycles Subject: Re: Lemon Laws in MD.... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit JTB, If you do make a list to have them look at and repair, do it soon and do it with meticuluous detail. If you don't know alot about the knocks, pings, and whizzes of a car then have someone who does look at it. Perhaps one of the LM's would be willing to assist. I'd be willing to volunteer my opinions if you don't mind them being a little less than expert. :) Carl Parker ------------------- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 3 14:35:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h03JZEO7001460; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 14:35:14 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h03JZD5c001450; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 14:35:13 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 14:35:10 EST Subject: Re: Lost key To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 1/3/2003 1:56:42 PM Eastern Standard Time, bhuson@XXXXXX writes: > hee hee, I love your approach, John. Did the hacksaw trick on a spark plug > size > Craftsman combo wrench to shorten it for easy storage. Gave the useless OEM tool kit from my 76 Triumph to a friends kid to play with, bought a bunch of Craftsman wrenches and cut them down to fit the Limeys toolbox. Used em lots of times and was thankful every time. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 3 15:02:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h03K20O7002185; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 15:02:00 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h03K1xM7002175; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 15:01:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-id: Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 15:02:33 -0500 Subject: Re: Lost key To: bhuson@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "garcia oliver" References: <147.6c3ee3c.2b472de2@aol.com> <3E15DB82.542C2D92@XXXXXX> In-Reply-To: <3E15DB82.542C2D92@patriot.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I've generally heard good thing about Crossroads. Have they changed or was this an anomaly? --garcia "If it ain't broke, fix it till it is." bhuson@XXXXXX writes: >The spare key was lost by >the crew at Crossroads Cycles while they were installing the breather >backwards >and failing to tighten several bolts including the one that held the cam >gear on >which rendered the bike senseless after 40 miles From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 3 15:11:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h03KBsO7002769; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 15:11:54 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h03KBrvx002757; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 15:11:53 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-id: Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 15:12:29 -0500 Subject: Re: Lost key To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "garcia oliver" References: <147.6c3ee3c.2b472de2@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <147.6c3ee3c.2b472de2@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit If you can get to the connector where the ignition switch joins the main wiring harness, at least older bikes (mostly what I see) are easy to hotwire. It helps if you have scrap wire with proper connectors---but if you've gone to that much trouble in advance, you probably have a spare key. 8^) --garcia "I have kleptomania, but when it gets bad, I take something for it." >In a message dated 1/3/2003 9:57:02 AM Eastern Standard Time, >rwestbrook@XXXXXX writes: > >> I think I may hove lost the key to my bike From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 3 18:50:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h03NoUO7004354; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 18:50:30 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h03NoTHx004344; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 18:50:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030103235016.65577.qmail@web9701.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 15:50:16 -0800 (PST) From: Scratch Subject: I've got a bad feeling about this... To: DCC MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii http://www.bikerboyz.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 3 22:01:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0431VO7008495; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 22:01:31 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0431U8M008485; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 22:01:30 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <005d01c2b39d$90d76db0$9865fea9@Godzilla> Reply-To: "S. Russell \(Mongo\)" From: "S. Russell \(Mongo\)" To: "Scratch" , "DCC" References: <20030103235016.65577.qmail@web9701.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: I've got a bad feeling about this... Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 22:01:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 It opens January 31, shall we have a DC Cycles screening? I can probably set one up at Arundel Mills Movico. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scratch" To: "DCC" Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 6:50 PM Subject: I've got a bad feeling about this... > http://www.bikerboyz.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 3 22:47:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h043ldO7009207; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 22:47:39 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h043ldtX009199; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 22:47:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.0.20030103214825.00a09ea0@mail.mac.com> X-Sender: eternity23@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 21:48:43 -0600 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, mike@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Oopsie Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed http://forums.13x.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=20216 D'oh! -Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 4 08:59:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h04Dx2O7012614; Sat, 4 Jan 2003 08:59:02 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h04DwxCV012596; Sat, 4 Jan 2003 08:58:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E16E9E7.C1C6F7FB@patriot.net> Date: Sat, 04 Jan 2003 09:04:23 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Scratch CC: DCC Subject: Re: I've got a bad feeling about this... References: <20030103235016.65577.qmail@web9701.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Scratch wrote: > http://www.bikerboyz.com > Hmm... Bad boys on bikes *yawn*, but the pics of the scantily dressed Biker Chicks loked just fine. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 4 14:59:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h04JxIO7015174; Sat, 4 Jan 2003 14:59:18 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h04JxBQP015159; Sat, 4 Jan 2003 14:59:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [67.200.184.102] From: "Greg Thompson" To: Subject: fork tubes Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2003 14:47:47 -0500 Message-ID: <000001c2b42a$280c5c40$0100a8c0@firehead> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jan 2003 19:47:48.0426 (UTC) FILETIME=[28B34AA0:01C2B42A] gang, i've been very, very slowly rebuilding my forks because the oil seal finally went bad on one. i found that there was some rust and pitting on the tubes themselves (41mm showas). so i just spent some quality time with some fine steel wool and wd-40 and was able to get the rust-lookin stuff off, but the pits aren't going anywhere. any recommendations as to how i can get these things as close to perfectly smooth as possible so that my new oil seals don't get chewed up by the tubes? thanks. -- -greg From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 4 17:44:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h04MiFO7016490; Sat, 4 Jan 2003 17:44:15 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h04MiEft016480; Sat, 4 Jan 2003 17:44:14 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <01a401c2b43a$a5e5d140$c38b5b0c@micron> From: "Mobacc \(now @ATT\)" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Chantilly MC show Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2003 16:45:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 How I spent my Saturday vacation -- Yes, it is a Harley show -- but I end up spending a few minor bills on leathers, glasses, and accessory stuff which are inexpensive and immediately handy (spring-loaded sunglass clipons, bellybags, etc.). Have also run into offbeat bike maintenance and cosmetic ideas in the past, though not this year. Spent half hour enroute in multilayered warmth, 20min in entrance line freezing w/o 'Stich, helmet (It was very well attended around noon). Bill S. / DC '99 VN750 -- I purr when the air is brrr. Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 4 19:38:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h050cXO7019995; Sat, 4 Jan 2003 19:38:33 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h050cXji019985; Sat, 4 Jan 2003 19:38:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030105003830.76280.qmail@web9708.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2003 16:38:30 -0800 (PST) From: Scratch Subject: re: fork tubes To: johnnyteardrop@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Greg, If there are pits, everytime the pit goes past the seal, it will carry a little oil. It won't seal if it's pitted. If you sand out the pits, it probably ain't gonna be round anymore, leading to more leakage. If you turn it in a lathe to make it round (assiming it's not chrome plated), it will be undersized, making sealing unlikely. Compared to prices on plastic parts, fork tubes are a bargain (~$100?). If it were me, I'd call... Forking by Frank Frank's Maintenance and Engineering, Inc. 945 Pitner Avenue Evanston, IL 60202 847-475-1003 HTH, Rich Greg wrote... i've been very, very slowly rebuilding my forks ...i just spent some quality time with some fine steel wool and wd-40 and was able to get the rust-lookin stuff off, but the pits aren't going anywhere. any recommendations as to how i can get these things as close to perfectly smooth as possible so that my new oil seals don't get chewed up by the tubes? __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 4 22:29:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h053T7O7021330; Sat, 4 Jan 2003 22:29:07 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h053T6ra021320; Sat, 4 Jan 2003 22:29:06 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Subject: Re: fork tubes From: Brian Roach To: Greg Thompson Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <000001c2b42a$280c5c40$0100a8c0@firehead> References: <000001c2b42a$280c5c40$0100a8c0@firehead> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2-5mdk Date: 04 Jan 2003 22:29:04 -0500 Message-Id: <1041737344.12836.8.camel@www.dcc-racing.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 On Sat, 2003-01-04 at 14:47, Greg Thompson wrote: > gang, > > i've been very, very slowly rebuilding my forks because the oil seal > finally went bad on one. i found that there was some rust and pitting > on the tubes themselves (41mm showas). so i just spent some quality > time with some fine steel wool and wd-40 and was able to get the > rust-lookin stuff off, but the pits aren't going anywhere. any > recommendations as to how i can get these things as close to perfectly > smooth as possible so that my new oil seals don't get chewed up by the > tubes? Red 3M scotch pads. You want to cross-hatch the fork tubes by wrapping your hand (with the pad) around the tube, then twist back and forth while moving up and down the tube. If this doesn't get you to where it'll seal, a new tube is in order as someone posted. - Roach From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jan 5 00:53:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h055ruO7022465; Sun, 5 Jan 2003 00:53:56 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h055rtZX022458; Sun, 5 Jan 2003 00:53:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Sent: 5 Jan 2003 05:53:53 GMT Message-ID: <004401c2b481$5594ef40$6401a8c0@laura> From: "Laura Granato" To: Subject: Look Out! I got a ... Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2003 01:11:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 ... digital camera and I have been snapping photos left and right! (imagine that!) I decided to create a web site to put them all. Take a peek at my photos when you have a chance! Hope everyone is having a great New Year! Laura http://laura.dcc-racing.org/photos From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jan 5 09:54:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h05Es5O7005388; Sun, 5 Jan 2003 09:54:05 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h05Es46l005378; Sun, 5 Jan 2003 09:54:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [67.201.214.53] From: "Greg Thompson" To: Subject: RE: fork tubes Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2003 09:53:56 -0500 Message-ID: <002f01c2b4ca$45b18310$0100a8c0@firehead> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: <1041737344.12836.8.camel@www.dcc-racing.org> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jan 2003 14:53:56.0994 (UTC) FILETIME=[45F60620:01C2B4CA] i think i've managed to get all of the raised imperfections off of the tube, it's just the pits that are left. they aren't really big and there aren't all that many of them. i think i read on some web site somewhere that some fellow filled his in with jb weld and smoothed 'em down. anyone tried this or something similar? i don't particularly feel like laying out the bucks to replace the tubes... -- -greg > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian Roach [mailto:roach@XXXXXX] > Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2003 10:29 PM > To: Greg Thompson > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: fork tubes > > > On Sat, 2003-01-04 at 14:47, Greg Thompson wrote: > > gang, > > > > i've been very, very slowly rebuilding my forks because the oil seal > > finally went bad on one. i found that there was some rust > and pitting > > on the tubes themselves (41mm showas). so i just spent some quality > > time with some fine steel wool and wd-40 and was able to get the > > rust-lookin stuff off, but the pits aren't going anywhere. any > > recommendations as to how i can get these things as close > to perfectly > > smooth as possible so that my new oil seals don't get > chewed up by the > > tubes? > > Red 3M scotch pads. You want to cross-hatch the fork tubes by wrapping > your hand (with the pad) around the tube, then twist back and forth > while moving up and down the tube. > > If this doesn't get you to where it'll seal, a new tube is in order as > someone posted. > > - Roach > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jan 5 10:00:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h05F0wO7005949; Sun, 5 Jan 2003 10:00:58 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h05F0wRJ005941; Sun, 5 Jan 2003 10:00:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E1849EC.B5D39BDC@patriot.net> Date: Sun, 05 Jan 2003 10:06:20 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Greg Thompson CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: fork tubes References: <002f01c2b4ca$45b18310$0100a8c0@firehead> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit jb weld? Good grief! How large are these pits? I was thinking the usual teenie weenie rust pits, which I'd ignore on a beater bike and just put the dang forks back together. If you're taking jb wled these suckers must be CRATERS! This would mean landfill time for those fork tubes. Bill Greg Thompson wrote: > i think i've managed to get all of the raised imperfections off of the > tube, it's just the pits that are left. they aren't really big and > there aren't all that many of them. i think i read on some web site > somewhere that some fellow filled his in with jb weld and smoothed 'em > down. anyone tried this or something similar? i don't particularly > feel like laying out the bucks to replace the tubes... > -- > -greg From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jan 5 14:07:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h05J7sO7007645; Sun, 5 Jan 2003 14:07:54 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h05J7rxg007635; Sun, 5 Jan 2003 14:07:53 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [67.200.190.55] From: "Greg Thompson" To: Subject: RE: fork tubes Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2003 14:07:45 -0500 Message-ID: <000001c2b4ed$bae517a0$0100a8c0@firehead> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: <3E1849EC.B5D39BDC@patriot.net> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jan 2003 19:07:46.0126 (UTC) FILETIME=[BB3B26E0:01C2B4ED] no, they're pretty small. i had the impression that this guy used the jb weld as one would use spackle (sp?) to fix a wall. put on enough to cover the pit, then sand it smooth with the surface of the tube. it may be the case that these pits are small enough that i don't have to worry about it, but frankly i don't want to have to do this job twice. i'd like to do it right the first time so that the forks will outlast the bike (a '90 cb-1 -- none of that pricey plastic for me). -- -greg > -----Original Message----- > From: William J. Huson [mailto:bhuson@XXXXXX] > Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 10:06 AM > To: Greg Thompson > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: fork tubes > > > jb weld? Good grief! How large are these pits? I was > thinking the usual > teenie weenie rust pits, which I'd ignore on a beater bike > and just put the > dang forks back together. If you're taking jb wled these > suckers must be > CRATERS! This would mean landfill time for those fork tubes. > > Bill > > Greg Thompson wrote: > > > i think i've managed to get all of the raised imperfections > off of the > > tube, it's just the pits that are left. they aren't really big and > > there aren't all that many of them. i think i read on some web site > > somewhere that some fellow filled his in with jb weld and > smoothed 'em > > down. anyone tried this or something similar? i don't particularly > > feel like laying out the bucks to replace the tubes... > > -- > > -greg > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jan 5 19:37:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h060bGO7011489; Sun, 5 Jan 2003 19:37:16 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h060bFK7011482; Sun, 5 Jan 2003 19:37:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Sent: 6 Jan 2003 00:37:12 GMT Message-ID: <01c101c2b51e$42fcb820$6401a8c0@laura> From: "Laura Granato" To: Subject: Items for sale Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2003 19:53:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 I realized we have a few extra items in our house. One desk (small) One wood dresser (matches desk) One white dresser One dining room table...absolutely beautiful and barely ever used, but we don't have any room for it. I can send pics to anyone who needs them. Name your price and let's talk. Laura From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jan 5 21:03:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0623kO7012448; Sun, 5 Jan 2003 21:03:46 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0623j6n012438; Sun, 5 Jan 2003 21:03:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <01c801c2b51d$6a8e87c0$c38b5b0c@micron> From: "Mobacc \(now @ATT\)" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Cruiser Comparos -- for the record Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2003 19:49:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Soon average temps will have bottomed, and the boys (and girls) in us will again fancy . . . Cruising! Well, for a few of us and our friends, and newbies to come, anyway. So, it brought some warmth to run across what seem to be two of the better easily retrieved quasi-current cruiser comparos for heavy- and middle- weights. A tankful of points for one squeeze of the nozzle. http://www.motorcyclecruiser.com/ (look down the list) Enjoy. Bill S. / DC '99 VN750 > 16 model years and still get attaboys Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 6 08:40:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h06DejO7016390; Mon, 6 Jan 2003 08:40:45 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h06DeinD016380; Mon, 6 Jan 2003 08:40:44 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: "LindaT." To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: My Ironbutt (?) Adventure Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 08:40:17 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal I wrote this last night... I've ridden several undocumented ss1k's to Florida as my mother's house is 1033 miles from my house and an ss1k is the most efficient way to get there and back. So, today at o dark 30 (actually 12:32am), I left my mother's house to return home. Hohum, uneventful trip. The V1 was, of course, indespensible again. I fill the long hours by guessing exactly when I'll arrive at various 'checkpoints' like South of the Border and the Virginia State line. It's just a little game I play while riding. I was making very good time and hit the VA state line dead on, which puts me 150 miles from home. I had an overall average of 64mph and was feeling pretty good even with only 3 hours of sleep. As these things go, the last 50 miles is always the worst. That's when you're close enough to smell it but still have to ride it. I expected this trip to be no different. The last 50 miles were the worst, but not for the reasons I anticipated. As I was leaving the Richmond area, I noticed this white stuff on the grass and trees. What?? I was in Miami just a few hours ago and now there's snow on the ground. Well, at least it's only on the grass and the temp is still above 40F. My thermometer has been giving me a little trouble this return trip as it spontaneously changes from Fahrenheit to Centigrade and back with no discernible cause. What's that? The temp is dropping ominously and that white stuff is still falling in places. I'm too close to give up, but this is exactly the sort of conditions I'd always thought I'd hate to have to ride in. And here I am. At least the road is just wet (I think) and there's a salt truck up ahead. If only there was some way to get these jackasses to slow down a bit. I really don't want to go 70, but if I go any slower, I'll get run over. Ah, yes - the HOV lanes to the rescue. Nice, completely separate lanes that are currently going my way. Hop right on. Oh wait, the only way off these things is a long uphill ramp. Oops, I'm committed, and yes, that stuff is starting to stick to the road. Okay, I slow down and try to get comfy, but the white knuckles are consuming my attention. I think I have the dreaded 'monkey death grip' on the handlebars. Here's my exit and my, that ramp looks snowy. I manage to stop at the top without falling over. I have to make a hard left between some narrow traffic islands and I can see the snow that has accumulated in my path. The light changes and I take off reeeeeeaaaally slowly. The bike is sliding around and I'm saying bad words not under my breath at all. I decide to put on my emergency flashers just to let everyone know that the lunatic on the motorcycle in the snow KNOWS this is a bad idea and please to leave me alone. I think about my route home (it's only 5 more miles) and realize that, that nasty hill is a dealbreaker and decide to take the alternate, though longer route. I get off at that exit and the road is very slushy. I'm sliding again and I'm ready to throw in the towel. I'm passing my bosses street, so I turn in thinking I can throw myself on their mercy and maybe they'll take pity on me and bail me out of this unpleasantness. The big problem is that their street is on a hill, so it's a one way trip. I start down. Two thirds of the way, I realize that I can go no further and need to start summoning my rescue. Except of couse I've stopped in the street and can't get off the bike and it's so slippery I can't put down the side stand. So, I'm standing and holding up the bike and trying to make a phone call. I neglect to take off my helmet, so I can't hear what's going on on the line. Chaos ensues. I take off my helmet and call again, only to get their answering machine. Oops. You mean they're not home to rescue me??? I call dependable Irv and he is willing to try and pick me up. It's just his RX7 is not good in the snow, but he'll risk it. That still leave me holding up my bike. A fellow across the street is shoveling snow and I plead for assistance. Being a Canadian, of course he's willing. He eventually allows me to park my bike in his already shoveled driveway to be retrieved tomorrow (or whenever the snow clears). Irv shows up, gear is retrieved and I'm delivered home. Ride over. Later, I realize I have messages on my cell phone, so I call to get them. The first is from this morning from my boss telling me that it's started snowing so I should get as far north as I can and then find a motel. Oops! The second is from IBR 2001 4th place finisher Paul Taylor, telling me that he saw me in the HOV lanes riding in the snow. He said I was 'focused'. Yeah, what you said. He said he was taking his brother to the airport and saw a bike up ahead. It must be a BMW. Why? his brother asked. Because it's being ridden in the snow. Impeccable logic. And he called me an 'animal' in a nice sort of way. If only he knew how much I didn't want to be there. As soon as this adrenaline wears off, I'm going to sleep. Someday... LindaT. Custom TankBags Now - TankBags for 1800 Wings Springfield, VA (suburb of our nation's capital) AMA IBA HSTA BMWBMW 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy 95 F3 Purple Haze (69K miles and counting...) 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing http://www.customtankbags.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 6 10:48:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h06FmUO7018145; Mon, 6 Jan 2003 10:48:30 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h06FmTIR018138; Mon, 6 Jan 2003 10:48:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030106154817.18955.qmail@web13902.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 07:48:17 -0800 (PST) From: Larry Larson Subject: Post U-Haul moto question To: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Yesterday's Post travel section had an extreme travel trivia question concerning U-Haul 20-year-old practice of displaying on its trucks graphics symbolizing the 50 US states. The one in question shows two racing motorcycles, carrying front number plates 77 and 43, at speed in a right-hand turn. Does anyone know which state this was used to represent, and why? (Not a contestant, just curious...) -- Larry __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 6 10:51:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h06FpmO7018680; Mon, 6 Jan 2003 10:51:48 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h06FplLC018670; Mon, 6 Jan 2003 10:51:47 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVaYapEhbalQ8RPpxOCHn23hWUUyTTLoBBMLdtfan69auOWTp4eBHX78G2NCjMnLoGg= From: "Jon Strang" To: "'Larry Larson'" Cc: "DC Cycles" Subject: RE: Post U-Haul moto question Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 10:51:45 -0500 Message-ID: <98746331CB7A8845BDB93F3574AD2B8307C29F@CORPMAIL1.ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 In-Reply-To: <98746331CB7A8845BDB93F3574AD2B83078465@CORPMAIL1.ddlomni.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal florida -----Original Message----- From: Larry Larson [mailto:pltrgyst@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 10:48 AM To: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Subject: Post U-Haul moto question Yesterday's Post travel section had an extreme travel trivia question concerning U-Haul 20-year-old practice of displaying on its trucks graphics symbolizing the 50 US states. The one in question shows two racing motorcycles, carrying front number plates 77 and 43, at speed in a right-hand turn. Does anyone know which state this was used to represent, and why? (Not a contestant, just curious...) -- Larry __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 6 11:47:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h06GllO7020468; Mon, 6 Jan 2003 11:47:47 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h06Gll27020461; Mon, 6 Jan 2003 11:47:47 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <004101c2b5a3$b8bebd80$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Dc-Cycles" References: Subject: Re: My Ironbutt (?) Adventure Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 11:49:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Linda, Glad you came through unscathed. Knowing when to say "when" and recognize when you've reached the limits of acceptability in road conditions is a good skill to have. That snowfall yesterday sure did sneak up on us. I've been there a few times on the bike, including one occasion when I pushed a little too hard, rode into a heavy slushy snowfall, which quickly froze into an icy glaze and made for "interesting" riding on bridges. Luckily I was not rewarded with a busted body or bike for my miscalculation. As for planning "milestones" on longer slab rides, that's something I do as well. GPS is a nice toy for this purpose. Also for planning gas stops and "comfort" breaks, as well as keeping the mind active. Did you get your SS1K documented?? Riding in those sorts of conditions, getting a time-stamped end receipt probably would not have been on the top of my priority list. Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - IBA # 12143 ----- Original Message ----- From: "LindaT." To: "Dc-Cycles" Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 8:40 AM Subject: My Ironbutt (?) Adventure > I wrote this last night... > > I've ridden several undocumented ss1k's to Florida as my mother's house is > 1033 miles from my house and an ss1k is the most efficient way to get there > and back. So, today at o dark 30 (actually 12:32am), I left my mother's > house to return home. Hohum, uneventful trip. The V1 was, of course, > indespensible again. I fill the long hours by guessing exactly when I'll > arrive at various 'checkpoints' like South of the Border and the Virginia > State line. It's just a little game I play while riding. I was making very > good time and hit the VA state line dead on, which puts me 150 miles from > home. .... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 6 12:10:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h06HAXO7021682; Mon, 6 Jan 2003 12:10:33 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h06HAWWQ021672; Mon, 6 Jan 2003 12:10:32 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <69.32e1eb29.2b4b1284@aol.com> Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 12:10:28 EST Subject: Re: My Ironbutt (?) Adventure To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 1/6/2003 8:41:20 AM Eastern Standard Time, customtankbags@XXXXXX writes: > Here's my exit and my, that ramp looks snowy. Scary shit! Those freeways will get you in those circumstances, the roadway itself is plowed and salted so you think "OK I can still ride" _but_ then you have to get off and realize the ramps have not been worked on at all. Not that that has ever happened to me. Glad you got home safely. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 6 12:22:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h06HMqO7022733; Mon, 6 Jan 2003 12:22:52 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h06HMpnk022723; Mon, 6 Jan 2003 12:22:51 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <023901c2b5a0$aa1f2d80$7a5dfea9@mikescomputer> From: "Michael R. Cecchini" To: "DC Cycles" References: <69.32e1eb29.2b4b1284@aol.com> Subject: Re: My Ironbutt (?) Adventure Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 11:28:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH LOGIN at out001.verizon.net from [141.156.148.76] at Mon, 6 Jan 2003 11:22:41 -0600 You go out in this stuff ?? Cabs are far cheaper than broken bike bits, paint, repair bills, tow trucks and hospitals. For me a bike is for clear, clean above 40 days. Period. A $1000 "beater" car is the ticket for winters and rainy days. Not to mention what the cages do to you in conditions that you cannot exercise what a bike does best to avoid the asswipes. Mike Cecchini ***************************************** ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 12:10 PM Subject: Re: My Ironbutt (?) Adventure > In a message dated 1/6/2003 8:41:20 AM Eastern Standard Time, > customtankbags@XXXXXX writes: > > > Here's my exit and my, that ramp looks snowy. > > Scary shit! > > Those freeways will get you in those circumstances, the roadway itself is > plowed and salted so you think "OK I can still ride" _but_ then you have to > get off and realize the ramps have not been worked on at all. > > Not that that has ever happened to me. > > Glad you got home safely. > > > John. > PenguinBiker@XXXXXX > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 6 12:24:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h06HOTO7023269; Mon, 6 Jan 2003 12:24:29 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h06HOSVR023262; Mon, 6 Jan 2003 12:24:28 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <143.700f4b4.2b4b159d@aol.com> Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 12:23:41 EST Subject: Re: Post U-Haul moto question To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 1/6/2003 10:48:50 AM Eastern Standard Time, pltrgyst@XXXXXX writes: > Yesterday's Post travel section had an extreme travel > trivia question concerning U-Haul 20-year-old practice How about this U-Haul practice? Did you realize the $19 ... etc. plastered on the back of all their trucks and trailers is _NOT_ $19 per day? It is $19 for however long they damn well feel like it. In metropolitan areas they will try to rent the same truck 3 or 4 times a day at $19 each time. What makes it bad is the bastards will lie through their teeth about it, "Oh we have a reservation on that truck at noon today, so we have to have it back" I had to hear that sort of bullshit several times before I realized what was going on. Bastards. (In rural areas they will often give you the truck/trailer for 24hr. but they are under no obligation to do so.) Talk about misleading advertising. Bastards. _But I am not bitter!_ P.S. They will not rent a trailer to a convertible either. That is why I own my own trailer. Bastards. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 6 12:26:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h06HQoO7024280; Mon, 6 Jan 2003 12:26:50 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h06HQnIY024273; Mon, 6 Jan 2003 12:26:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <14e.19c8d2b3.2b4b1651@aol.com> Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 12:26:41 EST Subject: Re: My Ironbutt (?) Adventure To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 1/6/2003 12:23:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, mrc.engr@XXXXXX writes: > A $1000 "beater" car is the ticket for winters and rainy days. I once worked with an MSF instructor whose car had the vanity plate "UMBRELLA" because she only drove it in the rain. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 6 12:32:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h06HWwO7025309; Mon, 6 Jan 2003 12:32:58 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h06HWwFp025300; Mon, 6 Jan 2003 12:32:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 12:32:51 -0500 (EST) From: "Daniel H. Brown" To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: My Ironbutt (?) Adventure In-Reply-To: <023901c2b5a0$aa1f2d80$7a5dfea9@mikescomputer> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 6 Jan 2003, Michael R. Cecchini wrote: > Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 11:28:35 -0500 > From: "Michael R. Cecchini" > To: DC Cycles > Subject: Re: My Ironbutt (?) Adventure > > You go out in this stuff ?? > Cabs are far cheaper than broken bike bits, paint, repair bills, tow trucks and > hospitals. > For me a bike is for clear, clean above 40 days. Period. So, you're saying you're a Tiny Peckered Nancy Boy. ;-) > A $1000 "beater" car is the ticket for winters and rainy days. Not to mention what > the cages do to you in conditions that you cannot exercise what a bike does best to > avoid the asswipes. unfortunately, experience says that there isn't any day, rain or shine, around here when the asswipes aren't looking to make motorcyclists into hood ornaments. -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 6 12:39:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h06HdoO7026842; Mon, 6 Jan 2003 12:39:50 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h06HdoqN026830; Mon, 6 Jan 2003 12:39:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <024d01c2b5a3$09638910$7a5dfea9@mikescomputer> From: "Michael R. Cecchini" To: "DC Cycles" References: Subject: Re: My Ironbutt (?) Adventure Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 11:45:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH LOGIN at out005.verizon.net from [141.156.148.76] at Mon, 6 Jan 2003 11:39:40 -0600 No........I've just seen enough big balls idiots in the hospital wards and on the hooks of tow trucks to get the message. Mike ********************************************** > From: "Daniel H. Brown" > So, you're saying you're a Tiny Peckered Nancy Boy. ;-) ****************************************************** > Michael R. Cecchini wrote: > > You go out in this stuff ?? > > Cabs are far cheaper than broken bike bits, paint, repair bills, tow trucks and > > hospitals. > > For me a bike is for clear, clean above 40 days. Period. > > A $1000 "beater" car is the ticket for winters and rainy days. Not to mention what > > the cages do to you in conditions that you cannot exercise what a bike does best to > > avoid the asswipes. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 6 12:40:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h06HewO7026881; Mon, 6 Jan 2003 12:40:58 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h06HewBS026876; Mon, 6 Jan 2003 12:40:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <025801c2b5a3$31b13930$7a5dfea9@mikescomputer> From: "Michael R. Cecchini" To: "DC Cycles" References: <14e.19c8d2b3.2b4b1651@aol.com> Subject: Re: My Ironbutt (?) Adventure Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 11:46:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH LOGIN at pop015.verizon.net from [141.156.148.76] at Mon, 6 Jan 2003 11:40:47 -0600 Sounds like a smart lady. Mike ********************************* > I once worked with an MSF instructor whose car had the vanity plate > "UMBRELLA" because she only drove it in the rain. > John. > PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 6 12:42:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h06HgRO7027852; Mon, 6 Jan 2003 12:42:27 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h06HgRY4027846; Mon, 6 Jan 2003 12:42:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <79B36BCD74CDD411AE4000508B55FC5F9F6B38@NCEAEXCHANGE> From: bernescut@XXXXXX To: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Post U-Haul moto question Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 12:42:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" It was representative of California and at one time included the words "Laguna Seca" in the image. Cedric 2000 CBR600F4 Does anyone know which state this was used to represent, and why? (Not a contestant, just curious...) -- Larry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 6 12:45:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h06HjtO7028371; Mon, 6 Jan 2003 12:45:55 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h06Hjsqw028361; Mon, 6 Jan 2003 12:45:54 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVY42LZ9aJivWWF4i5xQRNHvmjc9qDbg9/H5MPbQQZ2gu2YUCb6AnJ7F6L19cEeUVSo= From: "Jon Strang" To: , Subject: RE: Post U-Haul moto question Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 12:45:52 -0500 Message-ID: <98746331CB7A8845BDB93F3574AD2B8307C2A5@CORPMAIL1.ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <98746331CB7A8845BDB93F3574AD2B8307849B@CORPMAIL1.ddlomni.com> Shoot, he's right. I brain-locked on Florida. -----Original Message----- From: bernescut@XXXXXX [mailto:bernescut@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 12:42 PM To: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Post U-Haul moto question It was representative of California and at one time included the words "Laguna Seca" in the image. Cedric 2000 CBR600F4 Does anyone know which state this was used to represent, and why? (Not a contestant, just curious...) -- Larry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 6 12:46:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h06HkcO7028411; Mon, 6 Jan 2003 12:46:38 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h06Hkc7R028407; Mon, 6 Jan 2003 12:46:38 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <009501c2b5ab$f1629500$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Daniel H. Brown" , "DC Cycles" References: Subject: Re: My Ironbutt (?) Adventure Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 12:49:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel H. Brown" > > > On Mon, 6 Jan 2003, Michael R. Cecchini wrote: > > > Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 11:28:35 -0500 > > From: "Michael R. Cecchini" > > To: DC Cycles > > Subject: Re: My Ironbutt (?) Adventure > > > > You go out in this stuff ?? > > Cabs are far cheaper than broken bike bits, paint, repair bills, tow trucks and > > hospitals. > > For me a bike is for clear, clean above 40 days. Period. > > > So, you're saying you're a Tiny Peckered Nancy Boy. ;-) > > > > A $1000 "beater" car is the ticket for winters and rainy days. Not to mention what > > the cages do to you in conditions that you cannot exercise what a bike does best to > > avoid the asswipes. > > unfortunately, experience says that there isn't any day, rain or shine, > around here when the asswipes aren't looking to make motorcyclists into > hood ornaments. > Well, for way less than $1000 you can get a beater *bike* to ride in crappy weather, like this morning, when you can taste the salt spray off the road. Yum.... :) I'll have to say that the cagers are no better behaved when it's warm and sunny, in fact, you get the four-wheeled squidly types, the abrupt visually-impaired lane changers and those who tend to let their testosterone do the driving when the weather's perfect. But to each her own. I wouldn't counsel anyone to push the envelope and ride in conditions outside their comfort envelope. Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - IBA # 12143 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 6 13:11:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h06IBsO7032078; Mon, 6 Jan 2003 13:11:54 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h06IBrCV032068; Mon, 6 Jan 2003 13:11:53 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <200301061811.NAA14625@boo-mda02.boo.net> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: jcohen@XXXXXX Subject: HRIS Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 18:11:46 GMT X-Mailer: Endymion MailMan Standard Edition v3.0.20 Sorry for the non-moto content, but is anyone out there a human resources information systems person (e.g., PeopleSoft expert)? -Kurt --------------------------------------------- This message was sent using Endymion MailMan. http://www.endymion.com/products/mailman/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 6 13:31:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h06IVHO7000745; Mon, 6 Jan 2003 13:31:17 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h06IVH4g000735; Mon, 6 Jan 2003 13:31:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <028301c2b5aa$3b409070$7a5dfea9@mikescomputer> From: "Michael R. Cecchini" To: "DC Cycles" References: <009501c2b5ab$f1629500$bb82fea9@palladio1> Subject: Re: My Ironbutt (?) Adventure Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 12:32:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH LOGIN at out005.verizon.net from [141.156.148.76] at Mon, 6 Jan 2003 12:31:10 -0600 >From: "Paul Wilson" > Well, for way less than $1000 you can get a beater *bike* to ride in crappy > weather, Agreed. Just let me know where I can get a spare "beater" human body. > I'll have to say that the cagers are no better behaved when it's warm and > sunny, in fact, you get the four-wheeled squidly types, the abrupt > visually-impaired lane changers and those who tend to let their testosterone > do the driving when the weather's perfect. For sure............but your waaaaaaay better able to stop, veer and avoid the cages in dry conditons. No ?? > But to each her own. I wouldn't counsel anyone to push the envelope and > ride in conditions outside their comfort envelope. That's why I've virtually stopped riding inside the beltway. Just not worth it anymore. MC From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 6 14:42:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h06JgQO7003310; Mon, 6 Jan 2003 14:42:26 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h06JgPxh003300; Mon, 6 Jan 2003 14:42:25 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030106194223.88817.qmail@web10504.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 11:42:23 -0800 (PST) From: Isaac Blanck Subject: The Art of the Motorcycle: The Guggenheim in Las Vegas To: DCCycles In-Reply-To: <92EE52C13F8034478B4B9F85DA67A66640927D@rnc1.rnchq.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii After a year and a half run, this exhibit (check out http://www.guggenheimlasvegas.org/lv_home.html ) closed yesterday. I was in Vegas and saw it on Sat, and it was very cool. I'm not sure if it will be going to a new location or not, but if so, definitely check it out if you get the chance. Saw that, plus the Harley Davidson Cafe (also pretty cool) while in Vegas (and, oh yeah, I did find my way into a casino or 2 ...), which made for quite a moto weekend. Shame I didn't have time to rent a ride. Vegas/the desert looked like a great place to ride ... jib __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 6 14:58:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h06JwZO7004382; Mon, 6 Jan 2003 14:58:35 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h06JwZCk004375; Mon, 6 Jan 2003 14:58:35 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <82.24cf6f20.2b4b39bb@aol.com> Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 14:57:47 EST Subject: Re: The Art of the Motorcycle: The Guggenheim in Las Vegas To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 1/6/2003 2:42:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, thelostshark@XXXXXX writes: > Vegas/the desert > looked like a great place to ride ... jib Been there, done that. Lived in LV for 3 years. Yes it is a great place to ride. Just carry water in case of problems. The ride up to the Lee canyon Ski resort (you can make a loop out of it but I forget the road numbers.) is still one of my favorite rides. And the Red Rock canyon area is the sportbikers place to be. You can get on some of those roads and just GO! for miles and miles. Oh and the ride out to Lake Meade.... John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European is now necessary {and I still like it.}) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 6 15:00:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h06K0xO7004450; Mon, 6 Jan 2003 15:00:59 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h06K0wcK004435; Mon, 6 Jan 2003 15:00:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E19E1BB.98B4D906@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2003 15:06:19 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Post U-Haul moto question References: <143.700f4b4.2b4b159d@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > P.S. They will not rent a trailer to a convertible either. That is why I own > my own trailer. > Bastards. > > John. > PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Really? I wonder what the delusional reasoning is against renting a trailer to a convertable car? Considering my addiction to convertables I'd have to own my trailer too -- wait, I DO own my trailer -- two of them. Sorted... Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 6 15:11:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h06KBmO7006166; Mon, 6 Jan 2003 15:11:48 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h06KBmG3006156; Mon, 6 Jan 2003 15:11:48 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E19E449.29506043@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2003 15:17:13 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: home for wayward motorcycles... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hope Milady is in a good mood when she gets home tonight. A friend who is moving back here from California just dropped off his scoot for temporary storage. It's a semi-vintage Honda 500 twin, I think. The engine parts are in two boxes and it will need a salvage yard mill to get rolling again. Busted a cam chain at Warp 3. So Milady will ask, "How long is *this* one going to be here?" Oh, with any luck, until it's eligible for antique tags. If you're anywhere near Annandale you'll hear her shriek. Girl has a set of lungs on her fer sure. Reminds me, better make sure the air mattress and blankets are in the garage... Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 6 15:14:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h06KElO7006688; Mon, 6 Jan 2003 15:14:47 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h06KElZB006680; Mon, 6 Jan 2003 15:14:47 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <9.67adeca.2b4b3d7f@aol.com> Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 15:13:51 EST Subject: Re: Post U-Haul moto question To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 1/6/2003 3:01:01 PM Eastern Standard Time, bhuson@XXXXXX writes: > I wonder what the delusional reasoning is against renting a trailer to a > convertable car? As do I. One moron told me that I could buy a fiberglass top for my wifes car and then they would rent me a trailer. I told him that if I wanted a hard top I would have purchased one, and that for the price of the fiberglass top I could by my own damn trailer. Which I then did. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 6 15:28:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h06KSOO7008725; Mon, 6 Jan 2003 15:28:24 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h06KSOTl008715; Mon, 6 Jan 2003 15:28:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <02b101c2b5ba$97dec9e0$7a5dfea9@mikescomputer> From: "Michael R. Cecchini" To: "DC Cycles" References: <20030106194223.88817.qmail@web10504.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: The Art of the Motorcycle: The Guggenheim in Las Vegas Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 14:32:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH LOGIN at out001.verizon.net from [141.156.148.76] at Mon, 6 Jan 2003 14:28:16 -0600 Vegas was the last stop for the exhibit. MC ******************************************** > From: "Isaac Blanck" > I'm not sure if it will be going to a new location or not, From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 6 15:39:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h06Kd8O7009907; Mon, 6 Jan 2003 15:39:08 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h06Kd891009897; Mon, 6 Jan 2003 15:39:08 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 15:39:03 -0500 Message-Id: <200301061539.AA124519070@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: home for wayward motorcycles... X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "William J. Huson" ... >is moving back here from California just dropped off his scoot for >temporary storage. It's a semi-vintage Honda 500 twin, I think. The >engine parts are in two boxes and it will need a salvage yard mill to >get rolling again. >So Milady will ask, "How long is *this* one going to be here?" You let her see what's in your garage? That's just ASKING for trouble. MY wife accused me of having 9 motorcycles. I've only got 8. She was counting the sidecar and the sidecar bike as two vehicles. :-) Chris From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 6 17:20:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h06MKXO7011980; Mon, 6 Jan 2003 17:20:33 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h06MKWpL011970; Mon, 6 Jan 2003 17:20:32 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030106222027.2394.qmail@web14002.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 14:20:27 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: home for wayward motorcycles... To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" In-Reply-To: <200301061539.AA124519070@mail.toward.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Chris and Bill, There are real advantages to having adult children with houses/garages within walking distance. Although I can't find my tools about half the time, I consider it well worth it when my son has two of my bikes in his garage and my daughter has one in hers. By moving bikes between the kids garages and my own garage and shed, no one (including me sometimes) is sure how many bikes I've got. Leon. > ---------- Original Message > From: "William J. Huson" > >So Milady will ask, "How long is *this* one going > to be here?" > --- Chris Norloff wrote: > You let her see what's in your garage? That's just > ASKING for trouble. > > MY wife accused me of having 9 motorcycles. I've > only got 8. She was counting the sidecar and the > sidecar bike as two vehicles. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 6 17:43:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h06Mh5O7013127; Mon, 6 Jan 2003 17:43:05 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h06Mh4HV013117; Mon, 6 Jan 2003 17:43:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Jennthebiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <95.28237273.2b4b606e@aol.com> Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 17:42:54 EST Subject: Re: home for wayward motorcycles... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10637 i wish i had a garage or a shed! my baby still lives 15 miles away in someone else's garage. at least he's in a garage and not sitting outside with a tarp on it waiting for the snow to clear! jtb From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 6 17:56:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h06MuiO7014236; Mon, 6 Jan 2003 17:56:44 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h06Muil6014226; Mon, 6 Jan 2003 17:56:44 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030106225642.13136.qmail@web13906.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 14:56:42 -0800 (PST) From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: The Art of the Motorcycle: The Guggenheim in Las Vegas To: Isaac Blanck , DCCycles In-Reply-To: <20030106194223.88817.qmail@web10504.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Yep, it was a great show, and the coffee-table sized book is excellent as well -- but cost something like $80. Regards, Larry --- Isaac Blanck wrote: > After a year and a half run, this exhibit (check out > http://www.guggenheimlasvegas.org/lv_home.html ) > closed yesterday. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 6 17:57:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h06MvfO7014279; Mon, 6 Jan 2003 17:57:41 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h06MvfIW014272; Mon, 6 Jan 2003 17:57:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Jennthebiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <192.137ebaac.2b4b63d7@aol.com> Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 17:57:27 EST Subject: OT: car update To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10637 Hi everyone! I appreciate all of your advise and concerns. The dealer wrote a letter on Thursday stating that the sale of the car would not be finalized until I approve the condition of the car. As it turns out, the reason the tire blew was due to a screw (the hole was about the size of one that could be found on their lot) came out of the tire while I was driving which made the tire go flat. The noise that was being made was due to the sparetire not being placed on tight enough and the balance of the sparetire not being accurate. They have since placed a brand new tire back on the car to replace the one that blew. They also 'weighted' and 'balance' the spare tire incase I ever need to use it again. I spoke to the Used Car Sales Manager on Friday asking him to come down in price more due to my inconvenience. He proceded to tell me that they are in the 'negative' due to the end of the year sale price they gave me, the use of a loaner car, and the additional service that was done to the vehicle (new tire, maintenance, blahblahblah). I told him "I'm really sorry for YOUR inconvenience." (please note sarcasm in the statement.) I demanded that I would pick the newer car up on Saturday morning and it needed to have dealer plates and not my plates. I would bring it in on Monday with my decision. It worked as planned. Although there was snow yesterday, after it cleared a bit in my area, I took the car to a mechanic friend (who is also working on fixing his bike -- woohoo!). He 'test' drove it and listened for sounds. He said "If this is the route you want to go, then this is a good car to buy." I need certain things like warranties and can't afford to just pay cash for a vehicle which is why this is the 'route' I need to go. So, I'm on my way to make this all official 'again'. I should drive away from the dealer with a nice red 2000 Mitsubishi Mirage with my tags on tonight. My next issue: What do I really need to keep in the car for emergencies? Two boxes of 'emergency items' is not necessary! (This included my rollarblades that I keep in the car 'just in case'. 'just incase what?' you ask? 'just incase it stops snowing and clears up so I can go for a spin!' Bad logic therefore the rollarblades are staying inside until I plan on actually using them.) Thanks again! Jenn From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 6 18:24:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h06NOGO7016427; Mon, 6 Jan 2003 18:24:16 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h06NOFfM016417; Mon, 6 Jan 2003 18:24:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E1A1163.F4FB3D65@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2003 18:29:39 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jennthebiker@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: OT: car update References: <192.137ebaac.2b4b63d7@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jennthebiker@XXXXXX wrote: > Hi everyone! > > I appreciate all of your advise and concerns. The dealer wrote a letter on > Thursday stating that the sale of the car would not be finalized until I > approve the condition of the car. > > As it turns out, the reason the tire blew was due to a screw (the hole was > about the size of one that could be found on their lot) came out of the tire > while I was driving which made the tire go flat. The noise that was being > made was due to the sparetire not being placed on tight enough and the > balance of the sparetire not being accurate. They have since placed a brand > new tire back on the car to replace the one that blew. They also 'weighted' > and 'balance' the spare tire incase I ever need to use it again. > > I spoke to the Used Car Sales Manager on Friday asking him to come down in > price more due to my inconvenience. He proceded to tell me that they are in > the 'negative' due to the end of the year sale price they gave me, the use of > a loaner car, and the additional service that was done to the vehicle (new > tire, maintenance, blahblahblah). I told him "I'm really sorry for YOUR > inconvenience." (please note sarcasm in the statement.) > > I demanded that I would pick the newer car up on Saturday morning and it > needed to have dealer plates and not my plates. I would bring it in on > Monday with my decision. It worked as planned. > > Although there was snow yesterday, after it cleared a bit in my area, I took > the car to a mechanic friend (who is also working on fixing his bike -- > woohoo!). He 'test' drove it and listened for sounds. He said "If this is > the route you want to go, then this is a good car to buy." I need certain > things like warranties and can't afford to just pay cash for a vehicle which > is why this is the 'route' I need to go. > > So, I'm on my way to make this all official 'again'. I should drive away > from the dealer with a nice red 2000 Mitsubishi Mirage with my tags on > tonight. > > My next issue: What do I really need to keep in the car for emergencies? > Two boxes of 'emergency items' is not necessary! (This included my > rollarblades that I keep in the car 'just in case'. 'just incase what?' you > ask? 'just incase it stops snowing and clears up so I can go for a spin!' > Bad logic therefore the rollarblades are staying inside until I plan on > actually using them.) > > Thanks again! > Jenn 1) A decent flashlight, and keep the batteries fresh 2) One of those cross lug wrenchs that look like this + except way bigger. The OEM wrenchs suck. Make sure one of the three hex ends (one is a wheel cover pry) fits your wheel lugs, than MARK that end with bright tape so you don't have to fumble around for the right end in the semi-dark because you forgot to check the flashlight batteries, not that that's ever happened to me. 3) folding triangular reflector thangs to warn other cars that you're sitting on the shoulder whapping the dead flashlight to se if you can shake a few electrons loose and twiurling the + lug wrench around `cause the tape fell off. Nonono, never happened to me. Road flares go bad and are kinda sparky dangerous if they work, reflectors good. 4) Small first aid kit with 4" square gauze pads. Might come in handy soon after you don those roller blades. Tools? Nah, modern cars are so black boxed and complex I just shoot them when they go TU. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 6 18:35:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h06NZtO7017502; Mon, 6 Jan 2003 18:35:55 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h06NZtub017491; Mon, 6 Jan 2003 18:35:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 18:46:59 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: OT: car update In-Reply-To: <3E1A1163.F4FB3D65@patriot.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 6 Jan 2003, William J. Huson wrote: > Tools? Nah, modern cars are so black boxed and complex I just shoot them when > they go TU. > > Bill At least carry a multitool (like a leatherman) in the glovebox. I have one in all of my cars. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 6 20:01:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0711OO7020982; Mon, 6 Jan 2003 20:01:24 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0711LIi020975; Mon, 6 Jan 2003 20:01:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.0.20030106190203.009f55a0@mail.mac.com> X-Sender: eternity23@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2003 19:02:29 -0600 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: More motorcycle absurdity Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed http://money.cnn.com/2003/01/06/pf/autos/autoshow_bc.autos.show.dodge.reut/index.htm Can you say "ouch"? -Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 6 20:34:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h071Y4O7022158; Mon, 6 Jan 2003 20:34:04 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h071Y3kW022150; Mon, 6 Jan 2003 20:34:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <006001c2b5ec$cdda72b0$9865fea9@Godzilla> Reply-To: "S. Russell \(Mongo\)" From: "S. Russell \(Mongo\)" To: , "Sean Jordan" References: <5.1.1.6.0.20030106190203.009f55a0@mail.mac.com> Subject: Re: More motorcycle absurdity Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 20:33:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 I like that it has a top speed of 400 mph but 4 wheels, try and pull that one over at full speed. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sean Jordan" To: Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 8:02 PM Subject: More motorcycle absurdity > http://money.cnn.com/2003/01/06/pf/autos/autoshow_bc.autos.show.dodge.reut/i ndex.htm > > Can you say "ouch"? > > -Sean Jordan > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 6 21:14:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h072EZO7023364; Mon, 6 Jan 2003 21:14:35 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h072EYpq023357; Mon, 6 Jan 2003 21:14:34 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <003201c2b5e4$b38e17c0$b0965b0c@micron> From: "Mobacc \(now @ATT\)" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Quasimoto -- Winter (was OT: car update) Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 19:35:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 From: Jennthebiker@XXXXXX ...snip My next issue: What do I really need to keep in the car for emergencies? ...snip Ahh, the agony of the sleet, which brings back memories. This does look like a real winter, courtesy of El nino, probably a Plan B (Plan A -- Canada and north). Think surprise ice/snow, breakdown/road stoppage, survival, for the cartrunk (especially in an unfamiliar vehicle). My beltway reco on top of previous listers -- kitty litter, chains?, scraper/brush, spray de-icer, blanket(s), handwarmers, freezerbags (multiple hand, feet, etc. uses), cellphone, matches, water, candybars. Wide area metrobusmap, taxi numbers, spare $20/change. Mostly small, inexpensive, handy. I carry a lot of this on the bike (plus a cablelock) in low wx. One never knows (Linda T. can surely attest) . . .. Bill S. / DC '99 VN750 > Never fail on road. And pigs fly. Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 6 21:23:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h072NOO7024415; Mon, 6 Jan 2003 21:23:24 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h072NOY1024408; Mon, 6 Jan 2003 21:23:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [68.100.198.219] From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: The Art of the Motorcycle: The Guggenheim in Las Vegas Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2003 21:07:45 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jan 2003 02:07:45.0719 (UTC) FILETIME=[91C5A470:01C2B5F1] I saw it back in November and it's definately worth it. It was made even better when I saw Carmen Electra in there at the same time. This isn't only the end of the exhibit, it's at least temporary the end of both Guggenheim's in Vegas. Being an architect and having read about them and the architect that did the spaces I was sad to hear that. >From: Isaac Blanck >After a year and a half run, this exhibit (check out >http://www.guggenheimlasvegas.org/lv_home.html ) >closed yesterday. I was in Vegas and saw it on Sat, >and it was very cool. I'm not sure if it will be >going to a new location or not, but if so, definitely >check it out if you get the chance. _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 6 21:28:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h072SoO7024949; Mon, 6 Jan 2003 21:28:50 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h072So67024941; Mon, 6 Jan 2003 21:28:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E1A3CA8.CCD6D5A7@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2003 21:34:16 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: home for wayward motorcycles... References: <3E19E449.29506043@patriot.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "William J. Huson" wrote: Correction. I peeked into the box of engine parts and it is indeed a UJM, not a twin. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 6 22:00:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0730BO7026634; Mon, 6 Jan 2003 22:00:11 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0730Bu9026624; Mon, 6 Jan 2003 22:00:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <050701c2b5f1$53e493f0$7a5dfea9@mikescomputer> From: "Michael R. Cecchini" To: "DC Cycles" References: <003201c2b5e4$b38e17c0$b0965b0c@micron> Subject: Re: Quasimoto -- Winter (was OT: car update) Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 21:04:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH LOGIN at pop015.verizon.net from [141.156.148.76] at Mon, 6 Jan 2003 21:00:02 -0600 Cell phone. M ******************************************* > From: Jennthebiker@XXXXXX > What do I really need to keep in the car for emergencies? > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 6 22:17:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h073HKO7027731; Mon, 6 Jan 2003 22:17:20 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h073HJI7027721; Mon, 6 Jan 2003 22:17:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030107031712.33450.qmail@web41103.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 19:17:12 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: OT: car update To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Wayne Edelen wrote: > On Mon, 6 Jan 2003, William J. Huson wrote: > > > Tools? Nah, modern cars are so black boxed and complex > I just shoot them when > > they go TU. > > > > Bill > > At least carry a multitool (like a leatherman) in the > glovebox. I have > one in all of my cars. ah.... but do you ever use them? better question: have you ever really needed to use them to get a car back on the road? i haven't carried a single tool (other than certain passengers) in any car/truck i've ever owned. hasn't mattered a bit.... none of my breakdowns were fixable with a fish scaling tool. cycle must-haves deserve a different level of attention. jenn, carry a flashlight, spare tire, jack, tire wrench, cell phone and your roller blades. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 6 22:20:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h073KPO7028770; Mon, 6 Jan 2003 22:20:25 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h073KP9V028758; Mon, 6 Jan 2003 22:20:25 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030107032018.83346.qmail@web41112.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 19:20:18 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: home for wayward motorcycles... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <95.28237273.2b4b606e@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii wait a second. the purple "cute" thing is a he? i thought this thing had already been discussed to end with a different result....? --- Jennthebiker@XXXXXX wrote: > i wish i had a garage or a shed! my baby still lives 15 > miles away in > someone else's garage. at least he's in a garage and not > sitting outside > with a tarp on it waiting for the snow to clear! > > jtb __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 6 22:27:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h073R3O7029352; Mon, 6 Jan 2003 22:27:03 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h073R3xx029340; Mon, 6 Jan 2003 22:27:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 22:37:49 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen X-Sender: To: Tom Gimer Cc: Subject: Re: OT: car update In-Reply-To: <20030107031712.33450.qmail@web41103.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 6 Jan 2003, Tom Gimer wrote: > > At least carry a multitool (like a leatherman) in the > > glovebox. I have > > one in all of my cars. > > ah.... but do you ever use them? better question: have you > ever really needed to use them to get a car back on the > road? i haven't carried a single tool (other than certain As a matter of fact, yes I have used it to get cars back on the road :-) Using the combination of screwdrivers, pliers and WT engineering I've performed minor surgery on friend's cars. > passengers) in any car/truck i've ever owned. hasn't > mattered a bit.... none of my breakdowns were fixable with > a fish scaling tool. > > cycle must-haves deserve a different level of attention. > > jenn, carry a flashlight, spare tire, jack, tire wrench, > cell phone and your roller blades. A cell phone and AAA is probably your best "tool kit". -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 7 06:35:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h07BZdO7002047; Tue, 7 Jan 2003 06:35:39 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h07BZaZt002027; Tue, 7 Jan 2003 06:35:36 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <003301c2b5e8$19039320$b0965b0c@micron> From: "Mobacc \(now @ATT\)" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Re: My Ironbutt (?) Adventure Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 19:59:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 From: "Michael R. Cecchini" mrc.engr@XXXXXX >From: "Paul Wilson" > But to each her own. I wouldn't counsel anyone to push the envelope and > ride in conditions outside their comfort envelope. That's why I've virtually stopped riding inside the beltway. Just not worth it anymore. MC ---------------- And of course, from deep inside the beltway, the flipside, for discussion at some gathering -- my two shoveoffs have occurred in out-of-state 'burbs. Bill S. / DC '99 VN750 > trained to be paranoid Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 7 08:05:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h07D53O7003453; Tue, 7 Jan 2003 08:05:03 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h07D52sR003443; Tue, 7 Jan 2003 08:05:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Jennthebiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <54.68ec97a.2b4c2a72@aol.com> Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 08:04:50 EST Subject: Re: OT: car update To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10637 tg wrote: jenn, carry a flashlight, spare tire, jack, tire wrench, cell phone and your roller blades. my response: i'm so confused --- i didnt think my rollar blades were 'emergency' material?! after going through all of my previous 'emergency' stuff, this is what made the cut for the fun new plastic tote: anti-freeze (used to have a car that leaked this) oil (used to have a car that used more of this than gas) air compressor/emergency flashing light (works as long as there's battery power in the car --- used to have a slow leaking tire) ice scraper (for obvious reasons) tire inflator stuff maglite flashlight (for protection and the obvious -- batteries are in working condition) blue plastic something (came with an old emergency kit) plastic sign that unfolds and says "HELP" jumper cables (just incase!) a flare (no idea how to use it) some bungie straps air pressure guage (back to that leaky tire again) a set of winter gloves blanket maps of delaware, dc, maryland, virginia, wv, ohio, nc and sc (just incase in addition to my ADC baltimore area map and united states atlas that stays under the passenger seat) for fun -- a little cloth bag that folds up nice and neatly (basicly no need for it inside the apartment!) optional items that may get put back in the car: rollar blades and protective gear (due to popular demand) helmet, gloves, and accessories (i usually will have to at least go home for my boots just incase i want to ride; however, its way easier than carrying it all up and down the stairs everytime i want to ride!) bowling shoes camping chair (for in the non-winter months when i may just feel like sitting on a chair somewhere!) thanks! jenn ps --- yes my purple bike is a he the confusion before was if *I* was really a female and that has been proven time and time again. (please --- no more pictures harry!) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 7 08:23:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h07DNPO7004567; Tue, 7 Jan 2003 08:23:25 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h07DNP3a004557; Tue, 7 Jan 2003 08:23:25 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <010c01c2b64f$e4efd630$9865fea9@Godzilla> Reply-To: "S. Russell \(Mongo\)" From: "S. Russell \(Mongo\)" To: , References: <54.68ec97a.2b4c2a72@aol.com> Subject: Re: OT: car update Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 08:21:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In the winter time and when I do renaissance festivals, my emergency equipment also has a sleeping bag and a pillow. I use it just in case I get stuck in the cold weather or I get too drunk to drive. I just put down one of the captains chairs in my cage and instant sleep area. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 8:04 AM Subject: Re: OT: car update > tg wrote: > jenn, carry a flashlight, spare tire, jack, tire wrench, > cell phone and your roller blades. > > my response: > i'm so confused --- i didnt think my rollar blades were 'emergency' > material?! > > after going through all of my previous 'emergency' stuff, this is what made > the cut for the fun new plastic tote: > > anti-freeze (used to have a car that leaked this) > oil (used to have a car that used more of this than gas) > air compressor/emergency flashing light (works as long as there's battery > power in the car --- used to have a slow leaking tire) > ice scraper (for obvious reasons) > tire inflator stuff > maglite flashlight (for protection and the obvious -- batteries are in > working condition) > blue plastic something (came with an old emergency kit) > plastic sign that unfolds and says "HELP" > jumper cables (just incase!) > a flare (no idea how to use it) > some bungie straps > air pressure guage (back to that leaky tire again) > a set of winter gloves > blanket > maps of delaware, dc, maryland, virginia, wv, ohio, nc and sc (just incase in > addition to my ADC baltimore area map and united states atlas that stays > under the passenger seat) > for fun -- a little cloth bag that folds up nice and neatly (basicly no need > for it inside the apartment!) > > optional items that may get put back in the car: > rollar blades and protective gear (due to popular demand) > helmet, gloves, and accessories (i usually will have to at least go home for > my boots just incase i want to ride; however, its way easier than carrying it > all up and down the stairs everytime i want to ride!) > bowling shoes > camping chair (for in the non-winter months when i may just feel like sitting > on a chair somewhere!) > > thanks! > jenn > > ps --- yes my purple bike is a he the confusion before was if *I* was really > a female and that has been proven time and time again. (please --- no more > pictures harry!) > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 7 08:31:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h07DVIO7005615; Tue, 7 Jan 2003 08:31:18 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h07DVIvh005604; Tue, 7 Jan 2003 08:31:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <45CB5720CC54D311A2A70004ACE5255C05BDAF94@EXCHANGE> From: "Copeland, James" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: VFR For Sale Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 08:28:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I'm buying a house and need to free up some cash. I hate to see it go, but I'm sure that after I get settled, I'll start looking for a new one. For Sale: 2000 VFR (The Yellow Edition) 10,000 miles OEM exhaust (on the bike now) and HIGH MOUNT STAINTUNE IN CARBON FIBRE (you get both) OEM wind screen and GIVI wind screen Handle Bar Risers (forget brand) New Bridgestone B020 front and back 1 owner This bike is VERY well taken care of. I have EVERY maintenance receipt for every service that was performed (all regularly scheduled services). Price $6,500 OBO For more info e-mail [james.copeland@XXXXXX]. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 7 08:46:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h07DkMO7006707; Tue, 7 Jan 2003 08:46:22 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h07DkMHo006697; Tue, 7 Jan 2003 08:46:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 08:46:19 -0500 Message-Id: <200301070846.AA29688466@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: More motorcycle absurdity X-Mailer: Ha! That's fun. Not very impressive performance, relatively speaking -0-60 mph in 2.5 sec. ? That's about what liter-bike does, for a lot less money. However, you know what having 4 wheels means? It means it's NOT A MOTORCYCLE in the eyes of the law. VA State law, for example, defines a motorcycle as a vehicle with less than 4 wheels in permanent contact with the ground. Just think, only $250,000 to ride legally without a helmet! Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Sean Jordan Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2003 19:02:29 -0600 >http://money.cnn.com/2003/01/06/pf/autos/autoshow_bc.autos.show.dodge.reut/index.htm > >Can you say "ouch"? > >-Sean Jordan > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 7 08:58:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h07DwTO7007824; Tue, 7 Jan 2003 08:58:29 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h07DwSL8007813; Tue, 7 Jan 2003 08:58:28 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 08:58:26 -0500 Message-Id: <200301070858.AA108462756@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Re: My Ironbutt (?) Adventure X-Mailer: I find it more "Mad Max"-like ON the Beltway, and in the outer 'burbs. Too many people driving too far with too little time to get there. Inside the Beltway at least it seems many people realize we're all in this together, they know they don't have that far to go, and there's multiple roads in case of wrecks, closures, etc. Commuting in DC was always easier than commuting INTO DC. Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Mobacc \(now @ATT\)" Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 19:59:55 -0500 >From: "Michael R. Cecchini" mrc.engr@XXXXXX > >>From: "Paul Wilson" > >> But to each her own. I wouldn't counsel anyone to push the envelope and >> ride in conditions outside their comfort envelope. > >That's why I've virtually stopped riding inside the beltway. >Just not worth it anymore. > >MC > >---------------- > >And of course, from deep inside the beltway, the flipside, for discussion at >some gathering -- my two shoveoffs have occurred in out-of-state 'burbs. > >Bill S. / DC >'99 VN750 > trained to be paranoid >Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 7 09:22:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h07EMuO7008977; Tue, 7 Jan 2003 09:22:56 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h07EMtd5008967; Tue, 7 Jan 2003 09:22:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <200301071422.QBH21101@vmms2.verisignmail.com> Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 09:22:57 -0500 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: My Ironbutt (?) Adventure To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mirapoint Webmail Direct 2.9.3.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >I find it more "Mad Max"-like ON the Beltway, and in the outer 'burbs. Too many people driving too far with too little time to get there. > >Inside the Beltway at least it seems many people realize we're all in this together, they know they don't have that far to go, and there's multiple roads in case of wrecks, closures, etc. [Dave] I prefer the fast moving stuff because the traffic tends to spread out a little more. It's tough to build a good 'space cushion' in bumper to bumper traffic. But around here, it doesn't matter too awful much. It's the choke points where courtesey and common sense get 'tossed out the window' and rudeness takes over. People _Just_have_to_get_that_last_extra_car_space_ahead... > >Commuting in DC was always easier than commuting INTO DC. > >Chris Norloff > >---------- Original Message --------------------------------- - >From: "Mobacc \(now @ATT\)" >Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 19:59:55 -0500 > >>From: "Michael R. Cecchini" mrc.engr@XXXXXX >> >>>From: "Paul Wilson" >> >>> But to each her own. I wouldn't counsel anyone to push the envelope and >>> ride in conditions outside their comfort envelope. >> >>That's why I've virtually stopped riding inside the beltway. >>Just not worth it anymore. >> >>MC >> >>---------------- >> >>And of course, from deep inside the beltway, the flipside, for discussion at >>some gathering -- my two shoveoffs have occurred in out-of- state 'burbs. >> >>Bill S. / DC >>'99 VN750 > trained to be paranoid >>Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. >> >> > Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 7 09:23:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h07ENkO7009008; Tue, 7 Jan 2003 09:23:46 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h07ENkSb009001; Tue, 7 Jan 2003 09:23:46 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <002801c2b658$c89ffa60$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: , "DC-Cycles" References: <200301070858.AA108462756@mail.toward.com> Subject: Re: My Ironbutt (?) Adventure Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 09:26:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Norloff" To: "DC-Cycles" Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 8:58 AM Subject: Re: My Ironbutt (?) Adventure > I find it more "Mad Max"-like ON the Beltway, and in the outer 'burbs. Too many people driving too far with too little time to get there. > > Inside the Beltway at least it seems many people realize we're all in this together, they know they don't have that far to go, and there's multiple roads in case of wrecks, closures, etc. > > Commuting in DC was always easier than commuting INTO DC. > > Chris Norloff > Absolutely. I find the faster paced suburban arterials to be some of the worst riding environments around here. Rt. 1 in Fairfax comes to mind. Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - IBA # 12143 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 7 09:24:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h07EOxO7009924; Tue, 7 Jan 2003 09:24:59 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h07EOwwQ009916; Tue, 7 Jan 2003 09:24:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030107093424.05a80310@fbody.com> X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2003 09:35:47 -0500 To: From: Wayne Edelen Subject: Re: More motorcycle absurdity In-Reply-To: <200301070846.AA29688466@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 08:46 AM 1/7/03 -0500, Chris Norloff wrote: >Ha! That's fun. Not very impressive performance, relatively speaking >-0-60 mph in 2.5 sec. ? That's about what liter-bike does, for a lot less >money. > >However, you know what having 4 wheels means? It means it's NOT A >MOTORCYCLE in the eyes of the law. VA State law, for example, defines a >motorcycle as a vehicle with less than 4 wheels in permanent contact with >the ground. > >Just think, only $250,000 to ride legally without a helmet! > >Chris Norloff And 300-400 mph? C'mon, without a fairing that brick isn't going to hit 200. I know guys with 2 wheelers with 400-500hp and their full fairing bikes don't go 300mph. -- Wayne - http://www.purplecar.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 7 09:46:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h07EkkO7012167; Tue, 7 Jan 2003 09:46:46 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h07Eki9N012152; Tue, 7 Jan 2003 09:46:44 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030107144637.61278.qmail@web41102.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 06:46:37 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: OT: car update To: Wayne Edelen Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Wayne Edelen wrote: > On Mon, 6 Jan 2003, Tom Gimer wrote: > > > > At least carry a multitool (like a leatherman) in the > > > glovebox. I have > > > one in all of my cars. > > > > ah.... but do you ever use them? better question: have > you > > ever really needed to use them to get a car back on the > > road? i haven't carried a single tool (other than > certain > > As a matter of fact, yes I have used it to get cars back > on the road :-) > Using the combination of screwdrivers, pliers and WT > engineering I've > performed minor surgery on friend's cars. well then.... perhaps the tool jenn really needs is you following her in a chase vehicle! ;) sorry, but i can't help but envision jenn's roadside "repairs" consisting of anything other than lifting the hood and looking at the engine. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 7 10:22:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h07FMTO7013403; Tue, 7 Jan 2003 10:22:29 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h07FMTHS013393; Tue, 7 Jan 2003 10:22:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 Subject: RE: More motorcycle absurdity Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 10:22:17 -0500 Message-ID: <92EE52C13F8034478B4B9F85DA67A666013E8E4F@rnc1.rnchq.org> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: More motorcycle absurdity Thread-Index: AcK2WKVcp4i++j+ATVKlmLFVXoTauwAB8V2w From: "Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services" To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id h07FMQO7013376 More photos of the Dodge bike: http://search.news.yahoo.com/search/news?p=v-10&c=news_photos Witold www.witold.org > -----Original Message----- > From: Wayne Edelen [mailto:wayne@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 9:36 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: More motorcycle absurdity > > > At 08:46 AM 1/7/03 -0500, Chris Norloff wrote: > >Ha! That's fun. Not very impressive performance, > relatively speaking > >-0-60 mph in 2.5 sec. ? That's about what liter-bike does, > for a lot less > >money. > > > >However, you know what having 4 wheels means? It means it's NOT A > >MOTORCYCLE in the eyes of the law. VA State law, for > example, defines a > >motorcycle as a vehicle with less than 4 wheels in permanent > contact with > >the ground. > > > >Just think, only $250,000 to ride legally without a helmet! > > > >Chris Norloff > > And 300-400 mph? C'mon, without a fairing that brick isn't > going to hit 200. > > I know guys with 2 wheelers with 400-500hp and their full > fairing bikes > don't go 300mph. > > -- Wayne - http://www.purplecar.org/ > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 7 12:40:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h07HeQO7015242; Tue, 7 Jan 2003 12:40:26 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h07HeO32015232; Tue, 7 Jan 2003 12:40:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030107174020.53146.qmail@web9701.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 09:40:20 -0800 (PST) From: Scratch Subject: Re: More motorcycle absurdity To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Thoughts in no particular order: Prolly would handle like the devil's own sidecar rig. Younger hipper (but just as dumb) son of Boss Hoss? Maybe it'll be the next Norton!! Ha ha ha!!! Or maybe someone could put an Indian badge on THIS thing too!! Hoo Hoo!! Heee Heee! Rich (I crack myself up...) Sean wrote... http://money.cnn.com/2003/01/06/pf/autos/autoshow_bc.autos.show.dodge.reut/index.htm Can you say "ouch"? __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 7 18:21:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h07NLPO7018239; Tue, 7 Jan 2003 18:21:25 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h07NLMru018229; Tue, 7 Jan 2003 18:21:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030107232119.10085.qmail@web11302.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 15:21:19 -0800 (PST) From: Aaron Subject: Dodge concept motorcycle - Viper powered! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <200301020000.h02001Ho021205@dirty.meretrix.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Um, like, wow! (But it doesn't lean?) ================= http://www.car-truck.com/chryed/buzz03/b010603a.htm http://autoshow.msn.com/autoshow2003/gallery.aspx?xml=Day2 (first pic) Dodge Tomahawk Preliminary Specifications GENERAL INFORMATION Body Style: Single-seat Viper-powered motorcycle concept vehicle DIMENSIONS: Overall Length: 102 inches Overall Width: 27.7 inches Overall Height: 36.9 inches Wheelbase: 76 inches Seat Height: 29 inches Curb Weight: 1,500 lbs. Track, Front: 8.75 inches Track, Rear: 10 inches Weight Dist., % F/R 49/51 Ground Clearance: 3 inches Fuel Tank Capacity: 3.25 gallons ENGINE: 8.3-LITER, OHV, 20-VALVE SMPI V-10 Type and Description: 10-cylinder 90-degree V-type, liquid-cooled Displacement: 505 cubic inches (8277 cc) Construction: 356-T6 aluminum alloy block with cast-iron liners, aluminum alloy cylinder heads Bore x Stroke: 4.03 inches x 3.96 inches (102.4 x 100.6) Valve System: Two pushrod-actuated overhead valves per cylinder with roller-type hydraulic lifters Fuel Injection: Sequential, multi-port electronic with individual runners Compression Ratio: 9.6:1 Power (SAE net): 500 bhp (372 kW) @ 5600 rpm (60.4 bhp/liter) Torque (SAE net): 525 lb.-ft. (712 Nom) @ 4200 rpm Max Engine Speed: 6000 rpm Fuel Requirement: Unleaded premium, 93 octane (R+M/2) Oil System: Dry Sump Oil Capacity: 8 qts. Mobil1 10W30 Synthetic Cooling System: Twin aluminum radiators mounted atop engine intake manifolds, force-fed from front-mounted, belt-driven turbine fan Coolant Capacity: 11 qts. Exhaust System: Equal-length tubular stainless steel headers with dual collectors and central rear outlets ELECTRICAL SYSTEM: Alternator: 136-amp high-speed Battery: Leak-resistant, maintenance-free 600 CCA Lighting: Headlights consist of 12 five-watt LEDs, front, with beam-modifying optics and masked lenses. Eight LEDs, rear. Headlamps articulate with wheels. TRANSMISSION: Manual, foot-shifted two-speed Type: Aluminum-cased two-speed, sequential racing-style with dog ring, straight-cut gears Gear Ratios: 1st 18:38 2nd 23:25 Clutch: Double-disc, dry-plate with organic friction materials, hand lever actuated with assist FINAL DRIVE: Dual 110-link motorcycle-style chains Front Sprockets: 14 teeth Rear Sprockets: 35 teeth BODY/CHASSIS: Layout: Longitudinal, centrally mounted engine, rear-wheel drive Chassis Construction: Monocoque, engine is central, stressed member Body Construction: Billet aluminum SUSPENSION: Front: Outboard, single-sided parallel upper and lower control arms made from polished billet aluminum. Mounted via ball joint to aluminum steering uprights and hubs. Five degrees caster. Single, fully adjustable centrally located coil-over damper (2.25-inch coil with adjustable spring perch); pullrod and rocker-actuated mono linkage. Center-lock racing-style hubs Rear: Hand-fabricated box-section steel inboard swing arms, incorporating "hydral-link" lockable recirculating hydraulic circuit parking stand. Single fully adjustable centrally located Koni coil-over damper (2.25-inch coil with adjustable spring perch); pushrod and rocker-actuated mono linkage. Center-lock racing-style hubs STEERING: Type: Dual hub center type. Steering Linkage: Rocker arm and push/pull rod with roller bearings. Polished billet aluminum steering yoke with turned aluminum grips and billet levers Steering Lock: 20 degrees, left and right Lean Angle: 45 degrees, left and right TIRES (4): Mfr. and Model: Dunlop custom-made symmetrical Size, Front (2): P120/60R-20 Size, Rear (2): P150/50R-20 WHEELS (4): Type and Material: Billet aluminum discs, asymmetrical Size, Front (2): 20x4 Size, Rear (2): 20x5 BRAKES: Front: 20-inch perimeter-mounted drilled machined stainless steel rotors, one per wheel. Two four-piston fixed aluminum calipers per wheel (16 pistons total), custom designed. Blue anodized caliper finish. Hand-activated. Rear: 20-inch perimeter-mounted drilled cast-iron rotors, one per wheel. One four-piston fixed aluminum caliper per wheel (8 pistons total), custom designed. Blue anodized caliper finish. Foot-activated. PERFORMANCE: 0-60 mph: 2.5 seconds (est.) Top Speed: 300+ mph (est.) __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 7 18:34:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h07NY5O7019346; Tue, 7 Jan 2003 18:34:05 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h07NY4d1019331; Tue, 7 Jan 2003 18:34:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030107233402.33205.qmail@web11305.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 15:34:02 -0800 (PST) From: Aaron Subject: Dodge Tomahawk concept To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <200301020000.h02001Ho021205@dirty.meretrix.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii More . . . http://www.cars.com/carsapp/wpost/?szc=20009&srv=parser&act=display&tf=/features/autoshow2003/coverage/detroit/posted/coverage_01_06_10.tmpl It defies complete description. It)B’s a motorcyclelike vehicle that)B’s powered by a V-10 engine. It has two wheels on either end set very close together, but each with an independent suspension so it can be leaned into turns. It uses a two-speed transmission with straight-cut gears. Weighing in at 1,500 pounds, the Tomahawk will accelerate from zero to 60 mph in 2.5 seconds and, )B“theoretically,” can go 300 mph, Bernhard said. But that)B’s only half the story. It is a thing of beauty with its body parts machined out of solid pieces of billet aluminum. Few would argue with Creed)B’s assessment that it is “pure mechanical sculpture.)B” Dieter Zetsche, Chrysler Group president and CEO, took the stage and suggested that the Tomahawk )B“might” be built in limited numbers. That seems unlikely, but nevertheless, this one will be talked about for sometime. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 7 20:16:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h081GFO7023549; Tue, 7 Jan 2003 20:16:15 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h081GAub023534; Tue, 7 Jan 2003 20:16:10 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 20:26:59 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen X-Sender: To: Subject: Fieldsheer 1 piece? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII http://www.fieldsheer.com/products.php?display=highland-1pc Does anyone have experience with the FS gear? The Highland 1 piece looks like a nice textile setup. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 7 22:13:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h083DxO7025257; Tue, 7 Jan 2003 22:13:59 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h083DwYd025247; Tue, 7 Jan 2003 22:13:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.0.20030107211330.009f4be0@mail.mac.com> X-Sender: eternity23@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2003 21:15:11 -0600 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, mike@XXXXXX, thomasajordan@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Dang it!!! Why does all the cool stuff happen when I move?! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed http://forums.13x.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=20413 Allsports GP, (the indoor kart track), is allowing mini-motard races!!!!! (Oh, as an aside, I've moved to Murfreesboro, Tn, where I've matriculated to Middle Tennessee State U. Thought I'd give the whole "starving college student" thing a try.) -Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 7 22:24:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h083O4O7026360; Tue, 7 Jan 2003 22:24:04 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h083O4cq026350; Tue, 7 Jan 2003 22:24:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030108032356.23413.qmail@web41115.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 19:23:56 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Dang it!!! Why does all the cool stuff happen when I move?! To: Sean Jordan , dc-cycles@XXXXXX, mike@XXXXXX, thomasajordan@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20030107211330.009f4be0@mail.mac.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii good luck to you, sean. you will enjoy your starving college student days. how far are you from the smokies/other awesome riding, you lucky piece of shit? --- Sean Jordan wrote: > http://forums.13x.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=20413 > > Allsports GP, (the indoor kart track), is allowing > mini-motard races!!!!! > > (Oh, as an aside, I've moved to Murfreesboro, Tn, where > I've matriculated > to Middle Tennessee State U. Thought I'd give the whole > "starving college > student" thing a try.) > > -Sean Jordan __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 7 22:37:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h083bgO7027461; Tue, 7 Jan 2003 22:37:42 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h083bfrm027451; Tue, 7 Jan 2003 22:37:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.0.20030107213805.00a0a170@mail.mac.com> X-Sender: eternity23@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2003 21:38:56 -0600 To: Tom Gimer , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Re: Dang it!!! Why does all the cool stuff happen when I move?! In-Reply-To: <20030108032356.23413.qmail@web41115.mail.yahoo.com> References: <5.1.1.6.0.20030107211330.009f4be0@mail.mac.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 07:23 PM 1/7/2003 -0800, you wrote: >good luck to you, sean. you will enjoy your starving >college student days. how far are you from the >smokies/other awesome riding, you lucky piece of shit? As far as I can tell, I'm 4-5 hours from Deal's Gap.....but there's gotta be some nice roads closer than that...... .....the fun part is finding them! -Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 7 23:15:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h084F7O7028662; Tue, 7 Jan 2003 23:15:07 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h084F6kB028652; Tue, 7 Jan 2003 23:15:06 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20030107231119.009f4e80@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pltrgyst@XXXXXX (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2003 23:15:09 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: llarson@XXXXXX Subject: Re: My Ironbutt (?) Adventure In-Reply-To: <200301080000.h08001Gq020560@dirty.meretrix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 07:00 PM 1/7/03, Paul in DC wrote: >Absolutely. I find the faster paced suburban arterials to be some of the >worst riding environments around here. Rt. 1 in Fairfax comes to mind. That's interesting. That's my second most frequently ridden stretch of road (after Rt. 1 between Old Town and Crystal City), and I've found it pretty ordinary. Guess I've been assimilated.... I find the mixing bowl, going from the Beltway to 95 south, to be pretty hairy on two wheels, myself. -- Larry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 7 23:38:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h084cWO7029785; Tue, 7 Jan 2003 23:38:32 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h084cTuu029775; Tue, 7 Jan 2003 23:38:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E1BA9F0.AEEF715F@carlparker.com> Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2003 23:32:49 -0500 From: Carl Parker X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en,zh-CN MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DCCycles Subject: 1157 LED taillight???? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anyone know a reasonably priced supplier of 1157 LED taillights in the NOVA area? -Carl Parker in Arlington..soon to be in Vienna/Fairfax. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 8 06:04:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h08B4rO7000447; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 06:04:53 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h08B4qUw000433; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 06:04:52 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E1C0714.97B53639@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 06:10:12 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: llarson@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: My Ironbutt (?) Adventure References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030107231119.009f4e80@mail.9netave.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit llarson@XXXXXX wrote: > That's interesting. That's my second most frequently ridden stretch of road > (after Rt. 1 between Old Town and Crystal City), and I've found it pretty > ordinary. Guess I've been assimilated.... > > I find the mixing bowl, going from the Beltway to 95 south, to be pretty > hairy on two wheels, myself. > > -- Larry The mixing boal AKA Kamakazi Junction is even hairy on 4 wheels. And how about those sky-high ramps they're building! For a guy who has *issues* with high places (me) I can gaurentee major anal pucker when I have to ride over them. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 8 08:32:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h08DWGO7001656; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 08:32:16 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h08DWFFq001646; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 08:32:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <200301081332.QBJ36705@vmms2.verisignmail.com> Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 08:32:19 -0500 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: My Ironbutt (?) Adventure To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mirapoint Webmail Direct 2.9.3.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >That's interesting. That's my second most frequently ridden stretch of road >(after Rt. 1 between Old Town and Crystal City), and I've found it pretty >ordinary. Guess I've been assimilated.... [Dave] Persistence is futile... > >I find the mixing bowl, going from the Beltway to 95 south, to be pretty >hairy on two wheels, myself. [Dave] I don't, because I find another way. Having suffered through in in numerous cages, I wouldn't wish that on anyone's bike. Those last minute lane changers... you know, the ones coming from the FAR left lane, into the exit ramp... I would consent to a tax increase just to have cops sitting there to write those up... it was a nice dream while it lasted... Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 8 08:50:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h08DoEO7002268; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 08:50:14 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h08DoDmM002258; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 08:50:13 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030108135001.34293.qmail@web20705.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 05:50:01 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: My Ironbutt (?) Adventure To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3E1C0714.97B53639@patriot.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > I find the mixing bowl, going from the Beltway to 95 south, to be > pretty > > hairy on two wheels, myself. > > > > -- Larry > > The mixing boal AKA Kamakazi Junction is even hairy on 4 wheels. And > how about > those sky-high ramps they're building! since I am the resident mixing-bowl guru (well, self-appointed at least) since I live less than a mile from it, first for you height-challenged simply don't look down. *grin* and if you want to go 495-95S instead of sitting in that permanent and interminable jam, swing up 395 north, take the Edsal road west exit and do the loop-de-loop back to 395S. Or if you want to pick up HOV, go up one more exit to Duke street and then you can get on HOV before the mess. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 8 09:02:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h08E2xO7003381; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 09:02:59 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h08E2wlD003371; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 09:02:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <01eb01c2b717$12584220$7a5dfea9@mikescomputer> From: "Michael R. Cecchini" To: "DC Cycles" References: <20030108135001.34293.qmail@web20705.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: My Ironbutt (?) Adventure Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 08:08:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH LOGIN at out001.verizon.net from [141.156.150.155] at Wed, 8 Jan 2003 08:02:51 -0600 Hell.........that takes all the fun out of it !!! Mike ******************************************** >From: "matthew patton" ............if you want to go 495-95S instead of sitting in that permanent and interminable jam, > swing up 395 north, take the Edsal road west exit and do the > loop-de-loop back to 395S. Or if you want to pick up HOV, go up one > more exit to Duke street and then you can get on HOV before the mess. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 8 09:36:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h08EacO7004692; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 09:36:38 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h08Eabcf004682; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 09:36:37 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 Subject: lansplitting revisited Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 09:36:30 -0500 Message-ID: <92EE52C13F8034478B4B9F85DA67A66640928F@rnc1.rnchq.org> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: heated gloves question Thread-Index: AcKyp1KAH+H8nCUATEOnP7gbiMLPnwEeTs1Q From: "Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services" To: "DCCycles" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id h08EaaO7004670 I know that most of you guys split lanes at least occasionally, so I wanted to hear your experiances. I'm primarily interested in the reaction you are getting from a) other drivers, and b) POs. As you know, I'm a novice rider, and the lane splitting habit is a holdover from my bicycle riding days, where anything goes. That's the reason why I usually split lanes. I usually split lanes to the front of traffic lights. Hardly ever at higher speeds and always with a comfortable buffer. Most other drivers seem to be indifferent. On the positive side, some actually make a point to drive a little to the left or right of their lanes to let me get through. On the other hand, I've had some drivers purposely block me, some have honked (they usually weren't even moving) and one woman actually rolled down her window and started to yell at me. In the last case, I didn't engage the woman, and I just backed up my bike out of her way and left the lane open for her to pass me. I also occasionally use the turn only lanes, or the street runoff to get to the front. I find it to be safer than going in between two rows of cars. Did anyone recieve a ticket for lane splitting? I know that if you get cought for something else, they will probably tack it on as an additional charge, but did anyone get stopped for lane splitting only? I live in NoVA and commutte to DC. Witold www.witold.org/bike/bike.php3 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 8 09:46:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h08EkvO7005791; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 09:46:57 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h08Ekv4M005780; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 09:46:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030108094158.0205d428@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 09:46:53 -0500 To: "DCCycles" From: Troutman Subject: Re: lane-splitting revisited In-Reply-To: <92EE52C13F8034478B4B9F85DA67A66640928F@rnc1.rnchq.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 09:36 AM 1/8/2003, Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services wrote: >I also occasionally use the turn only lanes, or the street runoff to get >to the front. I find it to be safer than going in between two rows of cars. My guess is that would get you a ticket faster than normal lane splitting. Don't know. >Did anyone recieve a ticket for lane splitting? I know that if you get >cought for something else, they will probably tack it on as an additional >charge, but did anyone get stopped for lane splitting only? I haven't but do know a number of people that have in NoVa. Reckless driving. >I live in NoVA and commutte to DC. I lane split in DC everywhere, but never in NoVa. Generally you aren't getting too far ahead by doing it, and the few times I have tried, people seem to get pissed off. Wasn't worth it to gain a couple of minutes or less. People see it as cutting in line as opposed to freeing up the road. I wish it were semi-legal like in California. It isn't expressly allowed there, it just isn't expressly disallowed. Wow - was it time for a lane splitting thread already? ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org "Peace on Earth to men of good will. All others stand by." - broadcast from the USS Harry S. Truman 12-5-02 as the battle group left for the Persian Gulf. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 8 10:10:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h08FAYO7006955; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 10:10:34 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h08FAY2b006945; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 10:10:34 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <69.32fdbba3.2b4d995d@aol.com> Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 10:10:21 EST Subject: Re: Call that high? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 1/8/2003 6:05:14 AM Eastern Standard Time, bhuson@XXXXXX writes: > For a guy who has *issues* with high > places (me) I can gaurentee major anal pucker when I have to ride over them. > Ride up Pikes Peak! That will cure your ass of any fear of some wimpy overpass. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 8 10:31:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h08FV4O7008084; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 10:31:04 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h08FV3rD008074; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 10:31:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <026801c2b723$5f2da340$7a5dfea9@mikescomputer> From: "Michael R. Cecchini" To: "DC Cycles" References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030108094158.0205d428@mail.troutman.org> Subject: Lane Splitting ?? Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 09:35:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH LOGIN at out006.verizon.net from [141.156.150.155] at Wed, 8 Jan 2003 09:30:53 -0600 It really seems to piss people/cops off. Why.... I haven't figured out yet. Can't get past that they feel you should sit in traffic just like them. Caged idiots. 2 tickets: 1. "Two vehicles in one lane", 1 pt., Md., circa 1990, PG county, Ft. Washington area 2. "passing in breakdown lane", 2 pts, Md. circa 1996, Mont. county, Gaithersburg area on 270 w/traffic @ standstill. Bike overheating, but bitch/butch cop didn't want to hear it. All of this adds up to great pr for cops in general and they wonder why they have love/hate relationship with public. Can't wait for the day when a cop asks me for some help or consideration. MC From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 8 10:35:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h08FZNO7008623; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 10:35:23 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h08FZNEU008615; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 10:35:23 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Reply-To: From: "Jim McGonigle" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Lane Splitting ?? Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 10:34:21 -0500 Organization: BroadSoft Message-ID: <00ae01c2b72b$6aa9e0f0$8101a8c0@jmcgonigle> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <026801c2b723$5f2da340$7a5dfea9@mikescomputer> I'm not sure if I agree. Although I wouldn't do anything, I can understand the reasoning. Your operating a motor vehicle just as they are. Why should you get extra privledges because your smaller? Hell, I have a 4x4, does that mean I can drive down the grass medians when its busy? If I have a small car can I drive down the shoulder to the front because I can fit? Just an opinion... -Jim > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael R. Cecchini [mailto:mrc.engr@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 9:35 AM > To: DC Cycles > Subject: Lane Splitting ?? > > > It really seems to piss people/cops off. Why.... I haven't > figured out yet. > Can't get past that they feel you should sit in traffic just > like them. Caged > idiots. > > 2 tickets: > > 1. "Two vehicles in one lane", 1 pt., Md., circa 1990, > PG county, Ft. > Washington area > > 2. "passing in breakdown lane", 2 pts, Md. circa 1996, Mont. > county, Gaithersburg > area on 270 w/traffic @ standstill. Bike overheating, but > bitch/butch cop didn't > want to hear it. > > All of this adds up to great pr for cops in general and they > wonder why they have > love/hate relationship with public. Can't wait for the day > when a cop asks me for > some help or consideration. > > MC > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 8 10:39:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h08FdBO7010157; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 10:39:11 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h08FdBZ8010142; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 10:39:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <200301081538.QBJ53940@vmms2.verisignmail.com> Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 10:38:57 -0500 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: lansplitting revisited To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mirapoint Webmail Direct 2.9.3.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Witold asks: > >I know that most of you guys split lanes at least occasionally, so I wanted to hear your experiances. I'm primarily interested in the reaction you are getting from a) other drivers, and b) POs. [Dave] First, I never tell my parole officer about my lane splitting addiction ;-) The only real "splitting" I do is at turn lanes to get to an intersection. Typcically between the road side & cars to turn right. >Most other drivers seem to be indifferent. On the positive side, some actually make a point to drive a little to the left or right of their lanes to let me get through. [Dave] If I'm cage bound, I'll do that if there's room, or remain still if being approached quickly. On the other hand, I've had some drivers purposely block me, some have honked (they usually weren't even moving) and one woman actually rolled down her window and started to yell at me. In the last case, I didn't engage the woman, and I just backed up my bike out of her way and left the lane open for her to pass me. [Dave] I routinely have 'me first drivers' cut over to prevent traffic from going further up when there's a 2 lane merge when I'm in a cage. Inevitably, they don't understand slow in fast out, and I pass them on the exit. Sometimes I wave as I go by. On the bike in stopped traffic, I'm more concerned with not having to shift / use the clutch than who's getting in front of me though. ...I know that if you get cought for something else, they will probably tack it on as an additional charge, but did anyone get stopped for lane splitting only? [Dave] I think some guys have been hassled in VA for it. I've seen guys do it at the Wilson bridge backup, but you have to be careful when you get to Telegraph / Rt 1 because you get a lot of lane jumpers. Think of it like speeding, do it judiciously, and maintain the vigilant scanning for cops... Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 8 10:47:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h08FlXO7011701; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 10:47:33 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h08FlXu0011694; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 10:47:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 10:47:31 -0500 Message-Id: <200301081047.AA24117922@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Lane Splitting ?? X-Mailer: Lane splitting is not about riding off the road, as the questions below are (median driving and shoulder driving). Lane splitting is about using the available road surface and easing traffic congestion. Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Jim McGonigle" Reply-To: Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 10:34:21 -0500 > >I'm not sure if I agree. Although I wouldn't do anything, I can >understand the reasoning. Your operating a motor vehicle just as they >are. Why should you get extra privledges because your smaller? Hell, I >have a 4x4, does that mean I can drive down the grass medians when its >busy? If I have a small car can I drive down the shoulder to the front >because I can fit? > >Just an opinion... > >-Jim > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Michael R. Cecchini [mailto:mrc.engr@XXXXXX] >> Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 9:35 AM >> To: DC Cycles >> Subject: Lane Splitting ?? >> >> >> It really seems to piss people/cops off. Why.... I haven't >> figured out yet. >> Can't get past that they feel you should sit in traffic just >> like them. Caged >> idiots. >> >> 2 tickets: >> >> 1. "Two vehicles in one lane", 1 pt., Md., circa 1990, >> PG county, Ft. >> Washington area >> >> 2. "passing in breakdown lane", 2 pts, Md. circa 1996, Mont. >> county, Gaithersburg >> area on 270 w/traffic @ standstill. Bike overheating, but >> bitch/butch cop didn't >> want to hear it. >> >> All of this adds up to great pr for cops in general and they >> wonder why they have >> love/hate relationship with public. Can't wait for the day >> when a cop asks me for >> some help or consideration. >> >> MC >> >> > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 8 10:49:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h08FnpO7012719; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 10:49:51 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h08Fnp5K012707; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 10:49:51 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <200301081546.QBJ55115@vmms2.verisignmail.com> Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 10:46:05 -0500 From: Dave Yates Subject: RE: Lane Splitting ?? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mirapoint Webmail Direct 2.9.3.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jim jumped in: >I'm not sure if I agree. ...Hell, I >have a 4x4, does that mean I can drive down the grass medians when its >busy? [Dave] Uh... is this a trick question? Of course you can ! Doesn't everyone ? Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 8 10:53:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h08Fr8O7013771; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 10:53:08 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h08Fr7Rs013754; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 10:53:07 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Reply-To: From: "Jim McGonigle" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Lane Splitting ?? Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 10:52:10 -0500 Organization: BroadSoft Message-ID: <00b001c2b72d$e7cfc5c0$8101a8c0@jmcgonigle> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200301081047.AA24117922@mail.toward.com> So you would have no issues if you were on a motorcycle and I drove my car up to share the same lane? BTW, I'm just being the devil's advocate here. This list is a little biased towards bikes... ;) > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Norloff [mailto:cnorloff@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 10:48 AM > To: 'DC Cycles' > Subject: RE: Lane Splitting ?? > > > Lane splitting is not about riding off the road, as the > questions below are (median driving and shoulder driving). > > Lane splitting is about using the available road surface and > easing traffic congestion. > > Chris Norloff > > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: "Jim McGonigle" > Reply-To: > Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 10:34:21 -0500 > > > > >I'm not sure if I agree. Although I wouldn't do anything, I can > >understand the reasoning. Your operating a motor vehicle > just as they > >are. Why should you get extra privledges because your > smaller? Hell, I > >have a 4x4, does that mean I can drive down the grass > medians when its > >busy? If I have a small car can I drive down the shoulder > to the front > >because I can fit? > > > >Just an opinion... > > > >-Jim > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Michael R. Cecchini [mailto:mrc.engr@XXXXXX] > >> Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 9:35 AM > >> To: DC Cycles > >> Subject: Lane Splitting ?? > >> > >> > >> It really seems to piss people/cops off. Why.... I haven't > >> figured out yet. > >> Can't get past that they feel you should sit in traffic just > >> like them. Caged > >> idiots. > >> > >> 2 tickets: > >> > >> 1. "Two vehicles in one lane", 1 pt., Md., circa 1990, > >> PG county, Ft. > >> Washington area > >> > >> 2. "passing in breakdown lane", 2 pts, Md. circa 1996, Mont. > >> county, Gaithersburg > >> area on 270 w/traffic @ standstill. Bike overheating, but > >> bitch/butch cop didn't > >> want to hear it. > >> > >> All of this adds up to great pr for cops in general and they > >> wonder why they have > >> love/hate relationship with public. Can't wait for the day > >> when a cop asks me for > >> some help or consideration. > >> > >> MC > >> > >> > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 8 11:04:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h08G4oO7016411; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 11:04:50 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h08G4ot5016400; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 11:04:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <02b201c2b728$18bbf060$7a5dfea9@mikescomputer> From: "Michael R. Cecchini" To: "DC Cycles" References: <00ae01c2b72b$6aa9e0f0$8101a8c0@jmcgonigle> Subject: Re: Lane Splitting ?? Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 10:10:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH LOGIN at pop015.verizon.net from [141.156.150.155] at Wed, 8 Jan 2003 10:04:42 -0600 >From: "Jim McGonigle" > I'm not sure if I agree. Although I wouldn't do anything, I can > understand the reasoning. You ride and you can't understand ??? Amazing. >Your operating a motor vehicle just as they > are. Why should you get extra privledges because your smaller? B-e-c-a-u-s-e you don't add to the friggin problem like cages do. Your 10x more effecient on earths resources. You CAN get past and through the traffic and cages can't. > Hell, I > have a 4x4, does that mean I can drive down the grass medians when its > busy? If you didn't hurt the grass in any way................Yes. If it was just dirt...............yes. >If I have a small car can I drive down the shoulder to the front > because I can fit? It's done all the time in Europe. Without A-N-Y problems. Why can't we get our act together ??? We're idiots................. that's why. Mike > Just an opinion... > > -Jim > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Michael R. Cecchini [mailto:mrc.engr@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 9:35 AM > > To: DC Cycles > > Subject: Lane Splitting ?? > > > > > > It really seems to piss people/cops off. Why.... I haven't > > figured out yet. > > Can't get past that they feel you should sit in traffic just > > like them. Caged > > idiots. > > > > 2 tickets: > > > > 1. "Two vehicles in one lane", 1 pt., Md., circa 1990, > > PG county, Ft. > > Washington area > > > > 2. "passing in breakdown lane", 2 pts, Md. circa 1996, Mont. > > county, Gaithersburg > > area on 270 w/traffic @ standstill. Bike overheating, but > > bitch/butch cop didn't > > want to hear it. > > > > All of this adds up to great pr for cops in general and they > > wonder why they have > > love/hate relationship with public. Can't wait for the day > > when a cop asks me for > > some help or consideration. > > > > MC > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 8 11:11:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h08GBTO7018068; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 11:11:29 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h08GBSkC018053; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 11:11:28 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Reply-To: From: "Jim McGonigle" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Lane Splitting ?? Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 11:10:29 -0500 Organization: BroadSoft Message-ID: <00b801c2b730$77d27670$8101a8c0@jmcgonigle> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <02b201c2b728$18bbf060$7a5dfea9@mikescomputer> > > >From: "Jim McGonigle" > > I'm not sure if I agree. Although I wouldn't do anything, I can > > understand the reasoning. > > You ride and you can't understand ??? Amazing. > Yep, I've never split lanes. > >Your operating a motor vehicle just as they > > are. Why should you get extra privledges because your smaller? > > B-e-c-a-u-s-e you don't add to the friggin problem like cages do. > Your 10x more effecient on earths resources. > You CAN get past and through the traffic and cages can't. > Really? My motorcycle (CBRf4i) gets 35 mpg and pollutes worse than most cars. And, if I go to the front of the line in a left turn signal your saying that the same number of cars + me get through. I don't know about you but I would say that you screwed the person at the end of the line who will now be first in the next line... > > It's done all the time in Europe. Without A-N-Y problems. > Why can't we get our act together ??? > > We're idiots................. that's why. > I don't disagree, I drove in Spain and Germany for a few days each and it was very enjoyable because of the respect the drivers and for each other. > Mike > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just an opinion... > > > > -Jim > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Michael R. Cecchini [mailto:mrc.engr@XXXXXX] > > > Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 9:35 AM > > > To: DC Cycles > > > Subject: Lane Splitting ?? > > > > > > > > > It really seems to piss people/cops off. Why.... I haven't > > > figured out yet. > > > Can't get past that they feel you should sit in traffic just > > > like them. Caged > > > idiots. > > > > > > 2 tickets: > > > > > > 1. "Two vehicles in one lane", 1 pt., Md., circa 1990, > > > PG county, Ft. > > > Washington area > > > > > > 2. "passing in breakdown lane", 2 pts, Md. circa 1996, Mont. > > > county, Gaithersburg > > > area on 270 w/traffic @ standstill. Bike overheating, but > > > bitch/butch cop didn't > > > want to hear it. > > > > > > All of this adds up to great pr for cops in general and they > > > wonder why they have > > > love/hate relationship with public. Can't wait for the day > > > when a cop asks me for > > > some help or consideration. > > > > > > MC > > > > > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 8 11:12:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h08GCcO7018586; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 11:12:39 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h08GCcDU018580; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 11:12:38 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <200301081612.QBK02673@vmms2.verisignmail.com> Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 11:12:23 -0500 From: Dave Yates Subject: RE: Lane Splitting ?? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mirapoint Webmail Direct 2.9.3.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jim countered: >So you would have no issues if you were on a motorcycle and I drove my >car up to share the same lane? [Dave] Only if it were a cool car, worthy of being seen next to a motorcycle. No minivans, station wagons with wood paneling, OVLOVs, etc... ;-) > >BTW, I'm just being the devil's advocate here. This list is a little >biased towards bikes... ;) [Dave] I'm SHOCKED to hear that. Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 8 11:19:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h08GJQO7021701; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 11:19:26 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h08GJPKw021686; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 11:19:25 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 Subject: RE: Lane Splitting ?? Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 11:19:18 -0500 Message-ID: <92EE52C13F8034478B4B9F85DA67A666409291@rnc1.rnchq.org> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Lane Splitting ?? Thread-Index: AcK3MDAdaChNMoMRTD2rfx+eL3Ph3gAAGd7A From: "Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services" To: "DC Cycles" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id h08GJOO7021669 Mike: > It's done all the time in Europe. Without A-N-Y problems. > Why can't we get our act together ??? When I first saw the special lane splitting lanes for bicycles and bikes at London intersections, I almost shed a tear. Everyone lane splits, and from my riding experience, drivers actually pay attention and see motorcyclists and cyclists. It's awesome. I'm just trying to see what I can get away with. Untill recently, I was paying just shy of $2000 for full coverage with $1000ded (Progressive) and I just switched to State Farm and pay a measly $600 for full coverage with $100 and $250 deductibles. I want to keep this low rate for as long as I can :) Witold www.witold.org/bike/bike.php3 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 8 11:22:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h08GMSO7023267; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 11:22:28 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h08GMSML023261; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 11:22:28 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <02eb01c2b72a$8da07d90$7a5dfea9@mikescomputer> From: "Michael R. Cecchini" To: "DC Cycles" References: <00b801c2b730$77d27670$8101a8c0@jmcgonigle> Subject: Re: Lane Splitting ?? Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 10:27:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH LOGIN at pop017.verizon.net from [141.156.150.155] at Wed, 8 Jan 2003 10:22:17 -0600 > From: Jim McGonigle > M y motorcycle (CBRf4i) gets 35 mpg and pollutes worse than most > cars. Sounds like you need to get off your butt and do somthing about that bike. >I drove in Spain and Germany for a few days each and > it was very enjoyable because of the respect the drivers and for each > other. Doh !!!!!!!!!!! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 8 11:23:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h08GNqO7024333; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 11:23:52 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h08GNptX024326; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 11:23:51 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <000201c2b732$b84877c0$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Carl Parker" , "DCCycles" References: <3E1BA9F0.AEEF715F@carlparker.com> Subject: Re: 1157 LED taillight???? Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 11:05:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Not an answer to your question, but I've wondered about the advisability of using an LED replacement in a reflector and lens intended for an incandescent bulb. Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl Parker" > Anyone know a reasonably priced supplier of 1157 LED taillights in the > NOVA area? > > -Carl Parker in Arlington..soon to be in Vienna/Fairfax. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 8 11:29:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h08GTuO7025912; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 11:29:56 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h08GTuAG025902; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 11:29:56 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 11:40:48 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen X-Sender: To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Lane Splitting ?? In-Reply-To: <02eb01c2b72a$8da07d90$7a5dfea9@mikescomputer> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 8 Jan 2003, Michael R. Cecchini wrote: > > From: Jim McGonigle > > M y motorcycle (CBRf4i) gets 35 mpg and pollutes worse than most > > cars. > > Sounds like you need to get off your butt and do somthing about that bike. Do what? Add catalytic converters? The argument that bikes are more envinronmentally friendly is bogus. Newer LEV and ULEV vehicles are much cleaner than a 4 cylinder MC with no catalytic converter or closed loop FI system. Also, many small cars will best the fuel economy of newer, performance oriented motorcycles. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 8 11:32:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h08GWbO7027518; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 11:32:37 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h08GWbQc027503; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 11:32:37 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [208.174.116.106] From: "rich hall" To: jmcgonigle@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Lane Splitting ?? Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 11:31:40 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jan 2003 16:31:41.0003 (UTC) FILETIME=[6C6C09B0:01C2B733] The idea is you're faster than a car, so yes everyone still gets through. Now if you were on a bike and I was in my car, I'd be wondering why you weren't lane splitting and wishing I was on my bike lane splitting. >From: "Jim McGonigle" >And, if I go to the front of the line in a left turn signal your saying >that the same number of cars + me get through. I don't know about you >but I would say that you screwed the person at the end of the line who >will now be first in the next line... _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 8 11:36:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h08GaVO7029105; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 11:36:31 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h08GaUeW029090; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 11:36:30 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Reply-To: From: "Jim McGonigle" To: "'Michael R. Cecchini'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Lane Splitting ?? Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 11:35:30 -0500 Organization: BroadSoft Message-ID: <00c201c2b733$f67c94d0$8101a8c0@jmcgonigle> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <02eb01c2b72a$8da07d90$7a5dfea9@mikescomputer> > > From: Jim McGonigle > > M y motorcycle (CBRf4i) gets 35 mpg and pollutes worse than most > > cars. > > Sounds like you need to get off your butt and do somthing > about that bike. > What's that mean? It's brand new. Bikes are not LEV by any means, especially the higher horse power ones. California started requiring cats on the new bikes just recently. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 8 11:42:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h08Gg1O7031262; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 11:42:01 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h08Gg0Qa031250; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 11:42:00 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030108164158.85047.qmail@web11104.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 08:41:58 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Weaver Subject: RE: Lane Splitting ?? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <00b801c2b730$77d27670$8101a8c0@jmcgonigle> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii How many natural resources were used to produce that motorcycle of yours compared with the average car/truck/suv? How much impact does your motorcycle have on the road surface and infrastructure than the average car/truck/suv? It ain't JUST about gas economy and efficiency. Chris Weaver --- Jim McGonigle wrote: > Really? My motorcycle (CBRf4i) gets 35 mpg and > pollutes worse than most > cars. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 8 11:44:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h08Gi5O7000396; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 11:44:05 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h08Gi5Bi000389; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 11:44:05 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <200301081644.QBK08079@vmms2.verisignmail.com> Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 11:43:59 -0500 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: Lane Splitting ?? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mirapoint Webmail Direct 2.9.3.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wayne said: >> > M y motorcycle (CBRf4i) gets 35 mpg and pollutes worse than most >> > cars. >> >> Sounds like you need to get off your butt and do somthing about that bike. > >Do what? Add catalytic converters? The argument that bikes are more >envinronmentally friendly is bogus. Newer LEV and ULEV vehicles are much >cleaner than a 4 cylinder MC with no catalytic converter or closed loop FI >system. > >Also, many small cars will best the fuel economy of newer, performance >oriented motorcycles. [Dave] If I do nothing but stop & go 1st & second gear driving on my bike I get ~28 mpg. In every other type of driving, mountains, back roads, highway, commuting, interstate, etc... 39 - 42 (@1208cc's). So yes, there are cages that get better mileage, and plenty that get worse mileage. So what if bikes pollute worse than LEV's or ULEV's? So does just about every mass transit diesel, or light duty diesel in existence. Besides, you can't lane split as easily in a (U)LEV ! but there are some LEV, maybe ULEV 4x4's, so you can drive through the median just as easily with them ;-) Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 8 11:48:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h08GmuO7002612; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 11:48:56 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h08Gmu5R002603; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 11:48:56 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [208.174.116.106] From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Lane Splitting ?? Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 11:33:20 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jan 2003 16:33:20.0138 (UTC) FILETIME=[A782D6A0:01C2B733] Keep that quiet. Don't let the cagers know that. >From: Wayne Edelen >To: DC Cycles >Subject: Re: Lane Splitting ?? >Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 11:40:48 -0500 (EST) > >On Wed, 8 Jan 2003, Michael R. Cecchini wrote: > > > > From: Jim McGonigle > > > M y motorcycle (CBRf4i) gets 35 mpg and pollutes worse than most > > > cars. > > > > Sounds like you need to get off your butt and do somthing about that >bike. > >Do what? Add catalytic converters? The argument that bikes are more >envinronmentally friendly is bogus. Newer LEV and ULEV vehicles are much >cleaner than a 4 cylinder MC with no catalytic converter or closed loop FI >system. > >Also, many small cars will best the fuel economy of newer, performance >oriented motorcycles. > >-- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 8 11:50:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h08GoGO7003176; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 11:50:16 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h08GoGmI003168; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 11:50:16 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <037601c2b72e$71c0e200$7a5dfea9@mikescomputer> From: "Michael R. Cecchini" To: "DC Cycles" References: <3E1BA9F0.AEEF715F@carlparker.com> <000201c2b732$b84877c0$bb82fea9@palladio1> Subject: Re: 1157 LED taillight???? Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 10:54:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH LOGIN at out005.verizon.net from [141.156.150.155] at Wed, 8 Jan 2003 10:50:08 -0600 Well Mr. Wilson you hit the nail right on the head. I found out that when you use a LED unit as a replacement in a reflector and lens intended for an incandescent bulb it actually reduces the overall light as seen by those behind you. I ended up with a "dot" of light instead of having the whole tail light lens showing light. The reduction of light was down about 70%. This certainly wasn't what I wasn't looking for. Mike ******************************************************* >From: "Paul Wilson" > Not an answer to your question, but I've wondered about the advisability of > using an LED replacement in a reflector and lens intended for an > incandescent bulb. ************************************************************ > Paul in DC > From: Carl Parker > > Anyone know a reasonably priced supplier of 1157 LED taillights in the > > NOVA area? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 8 11:57:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h08GvAO7005911; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 11:57:10 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h08Gv9u6005902; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 11:57:09 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 12:08:03 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: Lane Splitting ?? In-Reply-To: <200301081644.QBK08079@vmms2.verisignmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 8 Jan 2003, Dave Yates wrote: > [Dave] If I do nothing but stop & go 1st & second gear > driving on my bike I get ~28 mpg. In every other type of > driving, mountains, back roads, highway, commuting, > interstate, etc... 39 - 42 (@1208cc's). So yes, there are > cages that get better mileage, and plenty that get worse > mileage. So what if bikes pollute worse than LEV's or > ULEV's? So does just about every mass transit diesel, or > light duty diesel in existence. > > Besides, you can't lane split as easily in a (U)LEV ! but > there are some LEV, maybe ULEV 4x4's, so you can drive > through the median just as easily with them ;-) Mike was implying that Jim's bike was out of tune in some way, I was simply pointing out that many motorcycles 1) don't get great gas mileage and 2) they pollute more than many new cars since they don't have cats or closed loop fi systems. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 8 11:57:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h08GvOO7005939; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 11:57:24 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h08GvOu3005934; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 11:57:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E1C599D.20F852BB@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 12:02:21 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dave Yates CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Lane Splitting ?? References: <200301081644.QBK08079@vmms2.verisignmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dave Yates wrote: > Wayne said: > >> > M y motorcycle (CBRf4i) gets 35 mpg and pollutes worse > than most > >> > cars. > >> > >> Sounds like you need to get off your butt and do somthing > about that bike. > > > >Do what? Add catalytic converters? The argument that bikes > are more > >envinronmentally friendly is bogus. Newer LEV and ULEV > vehicles are much > >cleaner than a 4 cylinder MC with no catalytic converter or > closed loop FI > >system. > > > >Also, many small cars will best the fuel economy of newer, > performance > >oriented motorcycles. > > [Dave] If I do nothing but stop & go 1st & second gear > driving on my bike I get ~28 mpg. In every other type of > driving, mountains, back roads, highway, commuting, > interstate, etc... 39 - 42 (@1208cc's). So yes, there are > cages that get better mileage, and plenty that get worse > mileage. So what if bikes pollute worse than LEV's or > ULEV's? So does just about every mass transit diesel, or > light duty diesel in existence. > > Besides, you can't lane split as easily in a (U)LEV ! but > there are some LEV, maybe ULEV 4x4's, so you can drive > through the median just as easily with them ;-) > > > Dave Yates whadafug is an LEV & ULEV? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 8 12:00:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h08H03O7009730; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 12:00:03 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h08H03EX009722; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 12:00:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Reply-To: From: "Jim McGonigle" To: Subject: RE: Lane Splitting ?? Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 11:59:04 -0500 Organization: BroadSoft Message-ID: <00c601c2b737$40d09150$8101a8c0@jmcgonigle> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20030108164158.85047.qmail@web11104.mail.yahoo.com> True, but how many people actually have a motorcycle instead of a car? I know there are a few on this list but I doubt it would be higher than 1%. So a motorcycle is additional wasted resources since I need a car anyway... A good argument though. Maybe we should require everyone to drive bikes! :D -Jim > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Weaver [mailto:chris_vtr@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 11:42 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Lane Splitting ?? > > > How many natural resources were used to produce that > motorcycle of yours compared with the average > car/truck/suv? > > How much impact does your motorcycle have on the road > surface and infrastructure than the average > car/truck/suv? > > It ain't JUST about gas economy and efficiency. > > Chris Weaver > > --- Jim McGonigle wrote: > > Really? My motorcycle (CBRf4i) gets 35 mpg and > > pollutes worse than most > > cars. > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 8 12:01:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h08H1KO7010306; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 12:01:20 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h08H1KJg010300; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 12:01:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 12:12:18 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: Lane Splitting ?? In-Reply-To: <3E1C599D.20F852BB@patriot.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 8 Jan 2003, William J. Huson wrote: > whadafug is an LEV & ULEV? Low emissions vehicle, ultra low emissions vehicle. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 8 12:01:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h08H1qO7010875; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 12:01:52 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h08H1q9Z010871; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 12:01:52 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E1C5AC4.59A6F009@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 12:07:17 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services CC: DCCycles Subject: Re: lansplitting revisited References: <92EE52C13F8034478B4B9F85DA67A66640928F@rnc1.rnchq.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services wrote: > I know that most of you guys split lanes at least occasionally, so I wanted to hear your experiances. I'm primarily interested in the reaction you are getting from a) other drivers, and b) POs. > > As you know, I'm a novice rider, and the lane splitting habit is a holdover from my bicycle riding days, where anything goes. That's the reason why I usually split lanes. I usually split lanes to the front of traffic lights. Hardly ever at higher speeds and always with a comfortable buffer. > > Most other drivers seem to be indifferent. On the positive side, some actually make a point to drive a little to the left or right of their lanes to let me get through. On the other hand, I've had some drivers purposely block me, some have honked (they usually weren't even moving) and one woman actually rolled down her window and started to yell at me. In the last case, I didn't engage the woman, and I just backed up my bike out of her way and left the lane open for her to pass me. > > I also occasionally use the turn only lanes, or the street runoff to get to the front. I find it to be safer than going in between two rows of cars. > > Did anyone recieve a ticket for lane splitting? I know that if you get cought for something else, they will probably tack it on as an additional charge, but did anyone get stopped for lane splitting only? > > I live in NoVA and commutte to DC. > > Witold > www.witold.org/bike/bike.php3 > I never lane split! Well, almost never. I'm never in that much of a hurry. I prefer viewing the idiots in action rather than joining them. And yes, using a turn-only lane to pass is kind of idiotic - fast way to get a citation. Or get taken out by a road rager in a four ton 2003 BeastMobile. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 8 12:06:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h08H6sO7013652; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 12:06:54 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h08H6sO2013641; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 12:06:54 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 12:17:50 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen X-Sender: To: Subject: RE: Lane Splitting ?? In-Reply-To: <00c601c2b737$40d09150$8101a8c0@jmcgonigle> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 8 Jan 2003, Jim McGonigle wrote: > True, but how many people actually have a motorcycle instead of a car? > I know there are a few on this list but I doubt it would be higher than > 1%. So a motorcycle is additional wasted resources since I need a car > anyway... Very true. I do not know anyone that owns a motorcycle as their only form of transportation. > A good argument though. Maybe we should require everyone to drive > bikes! :D I'd hate to see the soccer moms trucking the kids to the game on her motorcycle ;-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 8 12:11:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h08HBcO7015924; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 12:11:38 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h08HBccO015910; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 12:11:38 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <200301081706.QBK12112@vmms2.verisignmail.com> Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 12:06:58 -0500 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: Lane Splitting ?? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mirapoint Webmail Direct 2.9.3.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bill Axed: >whadafug is an LEV & ULEV? [Dave] (Ultra) Low Emissions Vehicle. Strangely enough, I believe my Lightning is a LEV... Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 8 12:11:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h08HBcO7015925; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 12:11:38 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h08HBcid015917; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 12:11:38 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E1C5D0A.8379F2FD@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 12:16:58 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Wayne Edelen CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Lane Splitting ?? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wayne Edelen wrote: > On Wed, 8 Jan 2003, William J. Huson wrote: > > > whadafug is an LEV & ULEV? > > Low emissions vehicle, ultra low emissions vehicle. > > -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ Ah, fun with acronyms! I reckon my slop feed (CV carb) Harley would be an UHEV - ultra high emissions vehicle. The dude at the emissions station wouldn't even have to stick the wand up the tailpipe, just wave it in the general vicinity and the stinky alarms would go off. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 8 12:15:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h08HFwO7019279; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 12:15:58 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h08HFvff019270; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 12:15:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <00e101c2b739$ffbd2540$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Wayne Edelen" , References: Subject: Re: Lane Splitting ?? Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 12:18:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 There's at least one cageless DC-Cycler that I can think of off the top of my head. I suspect there are lots of us who have motorcycles in lieu of *second* cars. Our family beater cage is the spousal transport 99% of the time. The last time I drove it solo was to get a set of bike tires mounted. Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wayne Edelen" > On Wed, 8 Jan 2003, Jim McGonigle wrote: > > > True, but how many people actually have a motorcycle instead of a car? > > I know there are a few on this list but I doubt it would be higher than > > 1%. So a motorcycle is additional wasted resources since I need a car > > anyway... > > Very true. I do not know anyone that owns a motorcycle as their only form > of transportation. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 8 12:16:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h08HGvO7019365; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 12:16:57 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h08HGv9u019360; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 12:16:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Lane Splitting ?? Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 12:13:32 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <3E1C5D0A.8379F2FD@patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <3E1C5D0A.8379F2FD@patriot.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0301081213320A.02506@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Wednesday 08 January 2003 12:16, William J. Huson wrote: > Wayne Edelen wrote: > > On Wed, 8 Jan 2003, William J. Huson wrote: > > > whadafug is an LEV & ULEV? > > > > Low emissions vehicle, ultra low emissions vehicle. > > > > -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ > > Ah, fun with acronyms! I reckon my slop feed (CV carb) Harley would be > an UHEV - ultra high emissions vehicle. The dude at the emissions > station wouldn't even have to stick the wand up the tailpipe, just wave > it in the general vicinity and the stinky alarms would go off. > Maybe you should get off of the bike first :-) > Bill Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 8 12:21:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h08HLdO7022722; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 12:21:39 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h08HLdEx022712; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 12:21:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 Subject: RE: Lane Splitting ?? Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 12:21:32 -0500 Message-ID: <92EE52C13F8034478B4B9F85DA67A666013E8E61@rnc1.rnchq.org> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Lane Splitting ?? Thread-Index: AcK3ObZH/ZN8B51+SOarqm1f7m/L+QAAAh8g From: "Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services" To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id h08HLcO7022695 I don't have a car, or a wife to drive me around! hehehe... Basically, if I really need a car, I rent one. Most of the time, whereever I want to go, I want to go with other people, so I mostly catch rides with them. Or take the Metro. A pickup would be useful to haul "stuff", but being carless is not that inconvenient. You get used to it. Witold > From: Paul Wilson > There's at least one cageless DC-Cycler that I can think of > off the top of > my head. I suspect there are lots of us who have motorcycles > in lieu of > *second* cars. Our family beater cage is the spousal > transport 99% of the > time. The last time I drove it solo was to get a set of bike > tires mounted. > > Paul in DC > 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 8 12:25:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h08HP3O7024455; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 12:25:03 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h08HP2ZO024448; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 12:25:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 12:35:54 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: Lane Splitting ?? In-Reply-To: <00e101c2b739$ffbd2540$bb82fea9@palladio1> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 8 Jan 2003, Paul Wilson wrote: > There's at least one cageless DC-Cycler that I can think of off the top of > my head. I suspect there are lots of us who have motorcycles in lieu of > *second* cars. Our family beater cage is the spousal transport 99% of the > time. The last time I drove it solo was to get a set of bike tires mounted. My comment was that I don't know anyone that only has 2 wheeled transportation. I've heard on this list that there are people with just a motorcycle, but I don't personally know them. Many of my friends have motorcycles. Some of them own 2-5 bikes. All of them also own cars. I was just agreeing with Jim that it's likely less than 1% of the people out there that only ride a motorcycle. Even you need a cage every now and then :-) I can not think of a way to get along on a daily basis driving only a motorcycle. I have too many activities in my life that require carrying items that would not fit on my motorcycle. I ride as often as possible, but that only amounts to around 7000 miles/yr :-\ I cage it to work 95% of the time. Most of my mileage is recreational/evenings/weekends. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 8 12:25:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h08HPYO7024492; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 12:25:34 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h08HPYHU024486; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 12:25:34 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Reply-To: From: "Jim McGonigle" To: Subject: RE: Lane Splitting ?? Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 12:24:36 -0500 Organization: BroadSoft Message-ID: <00ef01c2b73a$d1585b10$8101a8c0@jmcgonigle> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <92EE52C13F8034478B4B9F85DA67A666013E8E61@rnc1.rnchq.org> Yep, you're the exception. Out of the hundreds of thousands of motorcycles sold this year, how many people could say that. 1% would be a few thousand. I doubt it's that high. -Jim > -----Original Message----- > From: Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services > [mailto:Witold@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 12:22 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Lane Splitting ?? > > > > I don't have a car, or a wife to drive me around! hehehe... > > Basically, if I really need a car, I rent one. Most of the > time, whereever I want to go, I want to go with other people, > so I mostly catch rides with them. Or take the Metro. > > A pickup would be useful to haul "stuff", but being carless > is not that inconvenient. You get used to it. > > Witold > > > From: Paul Wilson > > There's at least one cageless DC-Cycler that I can think of > > off the top of > > my head. I suspect there are lots of us who have motorcycles > > in lieu of > > *second* cars. Our family beater cage is the spousal > > transport 99% of the > > time. The last time I drove it solo was to get a set of bike > > tires mounted. > > > > Paul in DC > > 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 8 12:26:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h08HQ3O7025070; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 12:26:03 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h08HQ2pN025062; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 12:26:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E1C5DD6.C11DCB09@carlparker.com> Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 12:20:22 -0500 From: Carl Parker X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en,zh-CN MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Wilson CC: DCCycles Subject: Re: 1157 LED taillight???? References: <3E1BA9F0.AEEF715F@carlparker.com> <000201c2b732$b84877c0$bb82fea9@palladio1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Good question. I really woudn't think it'd matter too much as long as the light from the LED's are pointing out the translucent plastic...which I'm sure they would be. For a headlight I'm sure it would be a different matter but that's a null issue anyway. I understand they're plenty bright and give you all the bene's of not having to worry about the fillament burning out (claimed 100,000 hour life) and much less load on the electrical system. If I recall the Viffrs had an issue with their 'tronics and it certainly can't hurt. Any little bit I can take off my battery, esp. when starting, is greatly appreciated and just may be enough to save my ass one fine day. I found a web site that has them for a few bucks. Order a couple perhaps for you and some buddies and the shipping won't double the cost of the bulb. Hell, for 5 or 6 bucks it's worth a shot anyway. I looked in Dumbass-Kirk and they're 17 bucks or some rediculuous crap like that. I'm prolly going to order a couple and see how they work. Check them out here... -CP Paul Wilson wrote: > Not an answer to your question, but I've wondered about the advisability of > using an LED replacement in a reflector and lens intended for an > incandescent bulb. > > Paul in DC > 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Carl Parker" > > > Anyone know a reasonably priced supplier of 1157 LED taillights in the > > NOVA area? > > > > -Carl Parker in Arlington..soon to be in Vienna/Fairfax. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 8 12:35:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h08HZbO7030034; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 12:35:37 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h08HZbEf030024; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 12:35:37 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <03f501c2b734$c789bb70$7a5dfea9@mikescomputer> From: "Michael R. Cecchini" To: "DC Cycles" References: <3E1BA9F0.AEEF715F@carlparker.com> <000201c2b732$b84877c0$bb82fea9@palladio1> <3E1C5DD6.C11DCB09@carlparker.com> Subject: Re: 1157 LED taillight???? Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 11:40:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH LOGIN at out006.verizon.net from [141.156.150.155] at Wed, 8 Jan 2003 11:35:29 -0600 > From: Carl Parker > .......... Any little bit I can take off my battery, esp. when starting, is greatly > appreciated and just may be enough to save my ass one fine day. You many save your battery at the expense of your ass. :((( A poorly lit tail light is something you really don't want, especially in this neighborhood. > I found a web site that has them for a few bucks. Order a couple perhaps for > you and some buddies and the shipping won't double the cost of the bulb. Hell, > for 5 or 6 bucks it's worth a shot anyway. > > > > -CP Save your $$$ for improvements..............not reduction in light output. Mike From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 8 12:41:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h08HfVO7031716; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 12:41:31 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h08HfU32031705; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 12:41:30 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E1C6177.1546B706@carlparker.com> Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 12:35:51 -0500 From: Carl Parker X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en,zh-CN MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Wilson CC: DCCycles Subject: Re: 1157 LED taillight???? References: <3E1BA9F0.AEEF715F@carlparker.com> <000201c2b732$b84877c0$bb82fea9@palladio1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've decided to order a red 1157 19led (supposed to be brighter than the 12 red) and an white 12 led to see how they look/work. Both, together with shipping, still cost less than the one from D-Kirk before shipping. I'll try to post pictures and impressions when I get them installed. Paz... -CP Paul Wilson wrote: > Not an answer to your question, but I've wondered about the advisability of > using an LED replacement in a reflector and lens intended for an > incandescent bulb. > > Paul in DC > 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Carl Parker" > > > Anyone know a reasonably priced supplier of 1157 LED taillights in the > > NOVA area? > > > > -Carl Parker in Arlington..soon to be in Vienna/Fairfax. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 8 13:13:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h08IDfO7001158; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 13:13:41 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h08IDehp001148; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 13:13:40 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [208.174.116.106] From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Lane Splitting ?? Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 13:13:25 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jan 2003 18:13:26.0151 (UTC) FILETIME=[A35FB170:01C2B741] The majority of my miles are commuting. >From: Wayne Edelen >I can not think of a way to get along on a daily basis driving only a >motorcycle. I have too many activities in my life that require carrying >items that would not fit on my motorcycle. I ride as often as possible, >but that only amounts to around 7000 miles/yr :-\ I cage it to work 95% >of the time. Most of my mileage is recreational/evenings/weekends. _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 8 13:22:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h08IMuO7002919; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 13:22:56 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h08IMteG002908; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 13:22:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <017201c2b743$59fadda0$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Wayne Edelen" , References: Subject: Re: Lane Splitting ?? Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 13:10:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Depends a lot on where you live. Most of our needs (food, toiletries, post office, bank, coffee joints, dry cleaner, bars, restaurants, movie theater, movie rental, etc.) can be addressed on foot in a ten-minute walking radius. Heavy, bulky stuff, have it delivered. The UPS people are well-acquainted with our address. I needed mulch for the back yard. Called the local hardware and they delivered it ("free", but tip the driver) later that day. Ditto with building materials. Our house is 130 years old and needs lots of "stuff." I've strapped 20-pound bags of cat food to the back of my Mini-ceptor and carried even more crap on the VFR. All my Christmas shopping was done on the bike or on-line. Neither of us likes to be the final link in the distribution chain, the premise on which modern big-box retailing is based. Just another perspective and this is what works for us as a choice. We are both urban people by nature. It's not a one size fits all and I'm not trying to assert moral superiority or "green" bona fides. I find those people a little tiresome. For us having a car is definitely a "want to", not a "need to." I've often contemplated getting rid of it, but it's reliable, paid for and the insurance is affordable, so we keep it. I doubt it sees more than 2000 miles a year, but the wife finds it handy to have it available once in a while, as opposed to renting or calling a cab. Another downside - cageless neighbors asking to borrow the durn thing! :) Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - IBA # 12143 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wayne Edelen" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 12:35 PM Subject: Re: Lane Splitting ?? > On Wed, 8 Jan 2003, Paul Wilson wrote: > > > There's at least one cageless DC-Cycler that I can think of off the top of > > my head. I suspect there are lots of us who have motorcycles in lieu of > > *second* cars. Our family beater cage is the spousal transport 99% of the > > time. The last time I drove it solo was to get a set of bike tires mounted. > > My comment was that I don't know anyone that only has 2 wheeled > transportation. I've heard on this list that there are people with just a > motorcycle, but I don't personally know them. > > Many of my friends have motorcycles. Some of them own 2-5 bikes. All of > them also own cars. > > I was just agreeing with Jim that it's likely less than 1% of the people > out there that only ride a motorcycle. Even you need a cage every now and > then :-) > > I can not think of a way to get along on a daily basis driving only a > motorcycle. I have too many activities in my life that require carrying > items that would not fit on my motorcycle. I ride as often as possible, > but that only amounts to around 7000 miles/yr :-\ I cage it to work 95% > of the time. Most of my mileage is recreational/evenings/weekends. > > -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 8 14:11:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h08JBVO7004867; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 14:11:31 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h08JBVlm004857; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 14:11:31 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 13:11:28 -0600 (CST) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Kill Bill. Message-ID: X-No-Ahbou: yes X-No-Archive: yes Approved: vi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Uma Thurman. In leathers. On a bike. With a sword. http://www.apple.com/trailers/miramax/kill_bill/ Fish. be still my beating heart From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 8 15:41:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h08KfPO7007194; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 15:41:25 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h08KfPcP007184; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 15:41:25 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: From: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" To: "'Fish Flowers'" , DC-Cycles Subject: RE: Kill Bill. Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 15:40:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain Uma Thurman and Quinton Taratino you can't go wrong with that. -----Original Message----- From: Fish Flowers [mailto:fish@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 2:11 PM To: DC-Cycles Subject: Kill Bill. Uma Thurman. In leathers. On a bike. With a sword. http://www.apple.com/trailers/miramax/kill_bill/ Fish. be still my beating heart From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 8 15:42:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h08KgpO7007757; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 15:42:51 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h08Kgpb9007747; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 15:42:51 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Subject: Re: Kill Bill. Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 14:44:00 -0600 Message-ID: <16139506CDB26245BB37BF17A64196230EEF00ED@nt-hqexbh1.boiseoffice.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Re: Kill Bill. Thread-Index: AcK3VnE2KFFPprv+RgKuaWzAulZWDA== From: To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id h08KgnO7007730 Cool preview, don't forget Lucy Lu also.... >>> Fish Flowers 01/08/03 02:11PM >>> Uma Thurman. In leathers. On a bike. With a sword. http://www.apple.com/trailers/miramax/kill_bill/ Fish. be still my beating heart From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 8 15:46:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h08KkbO7009405; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 15:46:37 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h08KkaVZ009400; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 15:46:36 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030108204634.41386.qmail@web13906.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 12:46:34 -0800 (PST) From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: Dodge Tomahawk concept To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20030107233402.33205.qmail@web11305.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Aaron wrote: > It defies complete description. It looks like an old, chromed-up tractor that's been crushed laterally. Pushrod. 1500 lbs.! 13 quarts of gas and 11 quarts of oil -- cruising range about the length of the runway it was displayed on. Max. lean of 45 degrees. Even as a "concept", it looks like a joke; it's certainly not exciting. -- Larry __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 8 15:54:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h08KsEO7011103; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 15:54:14 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h08KsAWp011093; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 15:54:10 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030108205408.29023.qmail@web13901.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 12:54:08 -0800 (PST) From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: Call that high? To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <69.32fdbba3.2b4d995d@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > Ride up Pikes Peak! That will cure your ass of any > fear of some wimpy > overpass. Done that, and there aren't any really big drop-offs. -- Larry __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 8 16:01:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h08L1JO7013366; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 16:01:19 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h08L1JME013358; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 16:01:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030108210117.43859.qmail@web13906.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 13:01:17 -0800 (PST) From: Larry Larson Subject: RE: Kill Bill. To: "Silver, Arthur \(NIH/NIGMS\)" , "'Fish Flowers'" , DC-Cycles In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Uma Thurman and Strom Thurmond for those of us older folk with a sadistic bent. -- Larry --- "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" wrote: > Uma Thurman and Quinton Taratino you can't go wrong > with that. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Fish Flowers [mailto:fish@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 2:11 PM > To: DC-Cycles > Subject: Kill Bill. > > Uma Thurman. In leathers. On a bike. With a sword. > > http://www.apple.com/trailers/miramax/kill_bill/ > > Fish. > be still my beating heart > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 8 16:05:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h08L5OO7015611; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 16:05:24 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h08L5OhJ015606; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 16:05:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 13:05:19 -0800 From: To: Wayne Edelen Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Fieldsheer 1 piece? Sender: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 65.36.86.136 Wayne, I have a Fieldsheer 1-piece leather racint suit that I'm very happy with (can't remember the model name). It's a couple years old. I bought it on closeout from New Enough. Has survived a relatively minor lowside at the track. I think Fieldsheer makes good stuff that's "value" priced. Chuck On Tue, 7 Jan 2003 20:26:59 -0500 (EST) Wayne Edelen wrote: > http://www.fieldsheer.com/products.php?display=highland-1pc > > Does anyone have experience with the FS gear? > The Highland 1 piece looks > like a nice textile setup. > > -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 8 16:47:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h08Ll4O7017500; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 16:47:04 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h08Ll3rg017489; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 16:47:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 16:47:06 -0500 Subject: Re: Lane Splitting ?? From: Stephen Miller To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030108164158.85047.qmail@web11104.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Also, a lot of people here are confusing fuel efficiency in terms of mpg with emissions! They're two different things. on 1/8/03 11:41 AM, Chris Weaver at chris_vtr@XXXXXX wrote: > How many natural resources were used to produce that > motorcycle of yours compared with the average > car/truck/suv? > > How much impact does your motorcycle have on the road > surface and infrastructure than the average > car/truck/suv? > > It ain't JUST about gas economy and efficiency. > > Chris Weaver > > --- Jim McGonigle wrote: >> Really? My motorcycle (CBRf4i) gets 35 mpg and >> pollutes worse than most >> cars. > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 8 19:06:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0906KO7022983; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 19:06:20 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h09067hZ022968; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 19:06:07 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E1CBB96.709D4EDF@carlparker.com> Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 19:00:22 -0500 From: Carl Parker X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en,zh-CN MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DCCycles , wayne@XXXXXX Subject: Fieldsheer 1 piece? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I treid on the Fieldsheer one piece. It looks like a great bargain if it wasn't cut fo a chimpanzee. I'm 6'1 about 180lbs, 32 in inseam and 34 waist. The length between the crotch and neck was way too short so when you stood up it pulled on the back of your shoulders...big time. Not only on one size but 3. L, XL, and XXL all did it. The XXL was better but it was also hugely big in the chest, gut, etc. Even on the XXL the knee and hip pads were below my knees and hips when I got into a squatting/sitting position...standing, it was worse. I have no idea what they were thinking but it jsut doesn't fit my build. Would be a great value otherwise. -CP From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 8 19:17:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h090HsO7024177; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 19:17:54 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h090HsrZ024167; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 19:17:54 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: "LindaT." To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: RE: Lane Splitting ?? Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 19:17:17 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 importance: Normal Raising hand... ME. I have three motorcycles. period. LindaT. Custom TankBags Now - TankBags for 1800 Wings Springfield, VA (suburb of our nation's capital) AMA IBA HSTA BMWBMW 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy 95 F3 Purple Haze (69K miles and counting...) 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing http://www.customtankbags.com Wayne Edelen said: Very true. I do not know anyone that owns a motorcycle as their only form of transportation. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 8 19:22:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h090MFO7024746; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 19:22:15 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h090MFvW024738; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 19:22:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f To: Dc-Cycles X-MESINK_Inbound: 0 X-MESINK_MailForType: SMTP X-MESINK_SenderType: SMTP X-MESINK_Sender: lholland@XXXXXX X-MESINK_MailFor: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX From: Laurie Holland subject: RE: Lane Splitting ?? Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 19:21:44 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" x-receiver: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX x-sender: lholland@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <0000e95504eceb07d3@[172.30.1.4]> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-Printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id h090MEO7024726 Linda...you are so hard core, you rock!!! BTW, didn't get a chance to respond earlier, but you are awesome in tackling that trip from Florida to back home. Glad you made it back safely!! Laurie '99 F4 -----Original Message----- From: LindaT. [mailto:customtankbags@XXXXXX] Raising hand... ME. I have three motorcycles. period. LindaT. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 8 19:23:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h090NpO7025868; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 19:23:51 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h090NoWM025858; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 19:23:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E1CBFC3.8DCA662D@carlparker.com> Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 19:18:11 -0500 From: Carl Parker X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en,zh-CN MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DCCycles Subject: Re: 1157 LED taillight??? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mike suggested... >You many save your battery at the expense of your ass. :((( >A poorly lit tail light is something you really don't want, especially in this >neighborhood. Ya know...I really don't think they'll reduce output all that much. I saw Hyper-lights, another LED setup, on a local LM's bike and they were obnoxiously bright...much brighter than the stock brake light and flashed as well. If it was any brighter it'd cause seizures...definitely an eye catcher. What also sucks is when your tail light burns out and you don't notice..I would imagine that's also not good for visibility. What also also sucks is when you lock your bars and leave the parking light on by accident. LED's would probably take HOURS to drain. Another dude I talked to on the Zuki' board had them and said that he left his on by accident parked for over 14 hours and the bike started right up. The R1 and an increasing amount of cars also have LED's on the tail light and they look alright to me..granted they're designed to it but they still don't use exposed bulbs...most of them are mounted behind some kind of colored plastic.. I think my ass will be okay but I'll try it out and post some pics before, after, and after with another bulb...maybe some in different lighting conditions. We can all judge for ourselves. For 15 bucks ( the cost of a dinner) to try two bulbs...I feel the bene's could certainly outweigh the cost. -CP > I found a web site that has them for a few bucks. Order a couple perhaps for > you and some buddies and the shipping won't double the cost of the bulb. Hell, > for 5 or 6 bucks it's worth a shot anyway. > > > > -CP Save your $$$ for improvements..............not reduction in light output. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 8 20:04:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0914DO7029934; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 20:04:13 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0914Cx3029924; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 20:04:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <059c01c2b773$73a6aba0$7a5dfea9@mikescomputer> From: "Michael R. Cecchini" To: "DC Cycles" References: <3E1CBFC3.8DCA662D@carlparker.com> Subject: Re: 1157 LED taillight??? Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 19:06:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH LOGIN at out005.verizon.net from [141.156.150.155] at Wed, 8 Jan 2003 19:04:05 -0600 You mean these ?? http://www.hyperlites.com/ Hell...........that's a B-I-G diff than what I was talking about. Earlier emails were talking about putting a LED bulb inside the tail light housing as a direct replacement for a 1034 or a 1157 bulb. My comments were specifically about that application. It sucks. These Hyper-Lites are a totally different item. They sure work, but would you put them on the back of your new Ducati or Aprila ?? I don't think so. Bimmer maybe, but not on the tail of my Duck. Mike ****************************************** > From: Carl Parker > I saw Hyper-lights, another LED setup, on a local LM's bike and they > were obnoxiously bright...much brighter than the stock brake light and > flashed as well. If it was any brighter it'd cause > seizures...definitely an eye catcher. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 8 20:13:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h091DLO7031631; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 20:13:21 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h091DK1S031621; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 20:13:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <750BC2024318D2118BD200A0C9DAFA767AA0D2@SERVER2> From: Michael Lynch To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Lane splitting Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 20:21:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" You can get away with lane splitting, but it depends on the situation. My commute is from Old Town Alex. to basically the White House. Splitting is a part of my life every day. In DC, you can pretty much get away with it. I've popped out into intersections after cutting through hellacious traffic to have a DC cop directing traffic wave me (only me) through. I've split traffic to and through an intersection containing a DC cop and he didn't flinch. I've passed by cops parked on the side of the road while splitting and nothing. Once, while splitting, passed a cop in Dupont, he yelled out the window, but I was going down the next alley anyway and he didn't care. I think the key is to stay in the driving lanes, and not go into the turn lanes or shoulder. In VA, it's a different story. The FFX boys will nab you for reckless as soon as they can. That said, I split in VA too. When it's Friday, and raining, and the WW bridge has RT 1 backed up to foreverland, I split down RT 1. My own little rule is, once I start, I don't stop. I think I saw flashing lights start once, but I didn't look back and they quickly faded away. Your mileage can and will vary. As far as attitudes go, 95% of the drivers never saw you coming. You're passed them before they even knew what the hell happened. Since that is the case, you had better be REAL good at reading drivers and what they're going to do next. About 4% may see you and slightly move away (bravo, ladies and gents). The remaining 1% is a combo of honkers and evil swervers. Most of the swervers, though, are too slow, as you're passed them before they can actually close you off. This all depends on the width of cars to start with. Sometimes, if they really see you and swerve and you're several cars back, you can switch lanes and go up the other side of them. hehe. I love that. Only been clipped once by a guy (evil swerver). His driver's mirror caught the end of my right clip-on, essentially countersteering me left into the side of a bus. The 3 of us were all going about 15mph. So, there I am all of a sudden tossed left into this bus and I'm leaning on it with my left shoulder. Instinctively I must have pulled in the clutch when we hit, because it took me a second to calm down the engine from my right hand trying to pull myself off the lean. The RPMs must have been about 9 grand and coming out of the TBR, was sounding pretty angry. So I tame down the throttle, then immediately think to myself, "I've got to get the hell off this moving bus I'm leaned against." Oh yeah, we're still moving. Pop the clutch, give it gas, straighten out the bars, and go, off in to lane splitting land. I estimate it all took about 2 seconds. Good times, good times. As the disclaimers say, this shouldn't be tried by anyone, anywhere, at anytime. Mike - on digest, so cc: me on replies 96 VFR - bus battler 88 Hawk - skinny mini 76 CB400F - semi retirement From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 8 22:27:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h093R0O7001594; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 22:27:00 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h093QuqA001586; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 22:26:56 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030109032653.30181.qmail@web9604.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 19:26:53 -0800 (PST) From: John Kozyn Subject: Re: lansplitting revisited To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Greetings DC Guys 'n Gals, and Happy New year to everyone... I'm glad to see this subject revisited. I argued a few years ago that if more people did lanesplit or "filter" as I prefer to call it, a critical mass might be created and we could see a change in the laws as in California (not sure I'd be comfortable doing 60 on the Bay Bridge though!). Since this subject took up a lotta bandwidth (wtf cares ;) today, I'll take a page out of Dave Yates' book and offer my remarks to some of the ideas presented... Witold wondered: "Did anyone recieve a ticket for lane splitting? I know that if you get cought for something else, they will probably tack it on as an additional charge, but did anyone get stopped for lane splitting only?" (JK) Yes I did. Twice. Once in VA, which got me a reckless - very expensive to get out of too! And in DC, by the RCP, the motorcycle officer had to confer with his confreres to find an appropriate citation, improper lane change IIRC. I filter daily on the Key Bridge regardless, when traffic is stopped (I missed two days so far this winter because of snow) because it's convenient. I agree that some people get bent out of shape; popping the bird or screaming epithets - I wave too :) but most are complacent. Those that do move over a bit (generally cab drivers from countries where my actions are deemed more normal) get an appreciative signal from me ("V" for VFR ;) As Dave mentioned: " Think of it like speeding, do it judiciously, and maintain the vigilant scanning for cops..." (JK) I also use the right lane space in DC but made the mistake of blowing by a DC cop just the other day and he pulled me over later in G'town but happily, he did let me slide (he found my passinjg him "disrespectful". Whew. Cops in Arlington are far less forgiving for that particular offense, but so far only a warning there too. I guess I'm lucky but since my filtering generally doesn't really start until half-way across the Key, there might be a jurisdictional question that no (reasonable) cop is going to care too much about ;) When in VA on 66 if its backed up I tend to ride the center area and "change lanes" - frequently. A bit risky maybe, but one I'm comfortable with, I guess. John Kozyn (D-mode) 1999 900SS 1995 VFR750F N.B. Final note to Witold: State Farm will drop you after two reckless convictions btw.. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 9 09:19:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h09EJ9O7006652; Thu, 9 Jan 2003 09:19:09 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h09EJ8hl006642; Thu, 9 Jan 2003 09:19:08 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030109141906.53085.qmail@web11305.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 06:19:06 -0800 (PST) From: Aaron Subject: VA Legislation To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >From a bicycle list I subscribe to . . . but several propose statutes helpful for us motorized two-wheelers as well. -Aaron ============== * Two bills would prohibit any form of inattentive driving: SB 996 (Mims, "Drivers to give attention to operation of vehicle: Every person operating a motor vehicle on the highways of the Commonwealth shall give his full time and attention to the operation of the vehicle") and HB 1910 (Almand, "Driving While Distracted": "No person shall operate any motor vehicle on the highways of the Commonwealth while engaging in any distracting activity that interferes with his safe operation of the vehicle"). * Two other bills are limited to prohibiting the use of hand-held telephones while operating a motor vehicle: SB 906 (Y.B. Miller, "Wireless telephones in motor vehicles; civil penalty; reporting requirement") and SB 748 (Puller, "Hand-held telecommunications devices"). * HB 1687 (Landes, "Television receivers and video monitors in motor vehicles") would prohibit any such video equipment within the drivers view. * HB 1911 (Almand, "Traffic infractions") would increase the maximum fine for certain moving violations. * HB 1813 (Welch, "Signs warning motorcyclists of hazards in highway work zones") would require "that signs warning motorcyclists of possible hazards (including, but not limited to, steel plates, longitudinal grooves, loose gravel, or uneven lanes) be posted at least 500 feet in advance of every highway work zone." HOW TO CONTACT LEGISLATORS VBF's legislative success will depend heavily on the involvement of bicyclists across Virginia. Virginia cyclists are urged to effectively support VBF's positions by contacting their state delegate and senator, throughout the legislative session. To learn who represents you in Richmond, visit and click on "Who's My Legislator" in the upper right-hand corner. The easiest--and sometimes most effective--way to communicate support or opposition to a particular bill is to leave a message with the VGA's CONSTITUENT VIEWPOINT HOTLINE at 1-800-889-0229, 8 AM to 5 PM, weekdays. You'll need only know the numbers of particular bills and your home address to leave a brief, but clear, pro or con message for your delegate and/or senator. EMAIL can be sent using the address format for delegates and for senators, where YY is the two-digit Senate District number (e.g., 02, not 2). Be sure to include your full name and street address in the body of all email correspondence. During the session, the MAILING ADDRESS is P.O. Box 406, Richmond VA 23218 for delegates and PO Box 396, Richmond VA 23218 for senators. To TELEPHONE legislators during the session, dial 804-698-10XX for delegates (where XX is the House District number) and 804-698-75YY for senators (where YY is the Senate District number). Because the legislators are extremely busy during the session, it is often best to ask for (and become acquainted with) their legislative assistant. Sending a FAX is often quite effective, but ask your legislator's staff for the number to dial. In an emergency, dial 804-786-6310 to fax delegates and 804-698-7651 to fax senators. HOW TO STAY INFORMED Bill status during the fast-paced legislative session is best tracked at . For updates on bicycle-related bills during the session, check VBF's Internet news group or visit the VBF website . Another excellent resource for all environment-related transportation legislation is the Virginia Conservation Network's General Assembly Bill Tracker __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 9 09:42:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h09Eg7O7008472; Thu, 9 Jan 2003 09:42:07 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h09Eg6jc008462; Thu, 9 Jan 2003 09:42:06 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [208.174.116.106] From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: DC Parking Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2003 09:39:41 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jan 2003 14:39:41.0449 (UTC) FILETIME=[F1AB3790:01C2B7EC] I just switched jobs. I rode in once before and parked at the M St 1700 block parking. This morning that was blocked off and I haven't been working here long enough to figure out where else to park. I've been wondering if that strip fills up in the summer, I know I've ridden by before when leaving work from my old job (15th & G parking) and it looks well used. Where else near 17th & L can I park? Perferably not metered. Thanks, Rich '94 Seca II _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 9 09:43:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h09Eh9O7008504; Thu, 9 Jan 2003 09:43:09 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h09Eh9gR008498; Thu, 9 Jan 2003 09:43:09 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [208.174.116.106] From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: DC Parking PS Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2003 09:43:01 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jan 2003 14:43:02.0106 (UTC) FILETIME=[69450BA0:01C2B7ED] I looked around a little for parking, then gave up and asked the garage in my building how much it would be to park there. We settled on $4. Cars pay $9. Rich '94 Seca II _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 9 10:11:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h09FBNO7012088; Thu, 9 Jan 2003 10:11:23 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h09FBMLG012082; Thu, 9 Jan 2003 10:11:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2003 10:10:55 -0500 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: fish@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Kill Bill. MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <7DD59CB7.06B2010C.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Holy Shit!! That definitely looks like a gotta see movie. ;-) Scooter In a message dated 1/8/2003 2:11:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, fish@XXXXXX writes: > > > Uma Thurman. In leathers. On a bike. With a sword. > > http://www.apple.com/trailers/miramax/kill_bill/ > > Fish. > be still my beating heart From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 9 10:13:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h09FDCO7012678; Thu, 9 Jan 2003 10:13:12 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h09FDCn5012671; Thu, 9 Jan 2003 10:13:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030109101219.0206f858@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2003 10:13:05 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: VA Legislation In-Reply-To: <20030109141906.53085.qmail@web11305.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 09:19 AM 1/9/2003, Aaron wrote: >* Two bills would prohibit any form of inattentive >driving: SB 996 (Mims, >"Drivers to give attention to operation of vehicle: >Every person operating >a motor vehicle on the highways of the Commonwealth >shall give his full >time and attention to the operation of the vehicle") >and > >HB 1910 (Almand, >"Driving While Distracted": "No person shall operate >any motor vehicle on >the highways of the Commonwealth while engaging in any >distracting >activity that interferes with his safe operation of >the vehicle"). Yeah - more laws will fix the problem. Lets ban guns - then people can't commit crimes with them either. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 9 10:15:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h09FFjO7014319; Thu, 9 Jan 2003 10:15:45 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h09FFiwU014313; Thu, 9 Jan 2003 10:15:44 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030109101503.02083e90@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2003 10:15:32 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Kill Bill. In-Reply-To: <7DD59CB7.06B2010C.0C9D3659@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:10 AM 1/9/2003, you wrote: > > Uma Thurman. In leathers. On a bike. With a sword. cool. nice trailer :-) ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 9 10:22:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h09FMCO7017160; Thu, 9 Jan 2003 10:22:12 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h09FMBHs017150; Thu, 9 Jan 2003 10:22:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2003 10:21:57 -0500 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: carl@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, wayne@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Fieldsheer 1 piece? MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <3A238BA6.3EDF76CF.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit You're forgetting the fact that one-piece leathers were built for being in the riding position on the bike, not standing. When not on the bike, unzip the front some to help alleviate some of the tightness. At least, that's what I've read/heard/figured out for myself. Just my .02. Scooter In a message dated 1/8/2003 7:00:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, carl@XXXXXX writes: > > > I treid on the Fieldsheer one piece. It looks like a great bargain if > it wasn't cut fo a chimpanzee. I'm 6'1 about 180lbs, 32 in inseam and > 34 waist. The length between the crotch and neck was way too short so > when you stood up it pulled on the back of your shoulders...big time. > Not only on one size but 3. L, XL, and XXL all did it. The XXL was > better but it was also hugely big in the chest, gut, etc. Even on the > XXL the knee and hip pads were below my knees and hips when I got into > a squatting/sitting position...standing, it was worse. > > I have no idea what they were thinking but it jsut doesn't > fit my > build. Would be a great value otherwise. > > -CP From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 9 10:25:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h09FP6O7018285; Thu, 9 Jan 2003 10:25:06 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h09FP6xO018277; Thu, 9 Jan 2003 10:25:06 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 10:24:55 -0500 (EST) From: "Daniel H. Brown" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: VA Legislation In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030109101219.0206f858@mail.troutman.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 9 Jan 2003, Troutman wrote: > Yeah - more laws will fix the problem. Lets ban guns - then people can't > commit crimes with them either. Ya, then only Criminals will commit crimes with guns. -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 9 10:31:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h09FViO7021150; Thu, 9 Jan 2003 10:31:44 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h09FVgMZ021140; Thu, 9 Jan 2003 10:31:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20030109103121.02e27348@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2003 10:31:34 -0500 To: dc-cycles From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: VA Legislation Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:24 AM 1/9/2003, you wrote: >On Thu, 9 Jan 2003, Troutman wrote: > > Yeah - more laws will fix the problem. Lets ban guns - then > people can't > > commit crimes with them either. > >Ya, then only Criminals will commit crimes with guns. > > >-- >Dan Brown >brown@XXXXXX guns don't keep people...bullets do. Regulate bullets not guns. 8-P From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 9 10:33:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h09FX1O7021221; Thu, 9 Jan 2003 10:33:01 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h09FX1wV021215; Thu, 9 Jan 2003 10:33:01 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <010501c2b7f4$c8a73620$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Michael R. Cecchini" , "DC Cycles" References: <3E1CBFC3.8DCA662D@carlparker.com> <059c01c2b773$73a6aba0$7a5dfea9@mikescomputer> Subject: Re: 1157 LED taillight??? Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 10:35:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 OK, at the risk of flogging dead horseflesh, here are my thoughts. An incandescent bulb, like the dual filament 1157, gives off light in a nearly uniform sphere, except for the part blocked by the base. Due to the spherical emission pattern the reflector is needed to beam the light from the back half of the sphere toward the lens, thereby making the whole lens area "light up." LEDs are different. Each unit in the array has its own tiny reflector to beam the light rearward, so the visible area that appears to "light up" is highly dependent on the number of LEDs. In a replacement device of similar size to an 1157 this is not a very big area. So you may have a very intense red light at the center but the entire lens will not have the appearance of lighting up and will remain quite dark because the reflector has been rendered useless. In fact, the web site Carl forwarded gives the caveat that devices "may" not meet DOT and SAE standards. So, those are my concerns. I'm still interested in this approach, though, and would like to see them installed. I do think if you're going to install the LEDs inside a housing with a red lens, you should order white LEDs, not red. Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - IBA # 12143 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael R. Cecchini" To: "DC Cycles" Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 7:06 PM Subject: Re: 1157 LED taillight??? > You mean these ?? > http://www.hyperlites.com/ > > Hell...........that's a B-I-G diff than what I was talking about. Earlier emails were > talking about putting a LED bulb inside the tail light housing as a direct > replacement for a 1034 or a 1157 bulb. My comments were specifically about that > application. It sucks. > > These Hyper-Lites are a totally different item. They sure work, but would you put > them on the back of your new Ducati or Aprila ?? I don't think so. Bimmer maybe, > but not on the tail of my Duck. > > Mike > ****************************************** > > From: Carl Parker > > I saw Hyper-lights, another LED setup, on a local LM's bike and they > > were obnoxiously bright...much brighter than the stock brake light and > > flashed as well. If it was any brighter it'd cause > > seizures...definitely an eye catcher. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 9 10:34:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h09FYIO7022330; Thu, 9 Jan 2003 10:34:18 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h09FYII7022323; Thu, 9 Jan 2003 10:34:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030109153415.67577.qmail@web11107.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 07:34:15 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: Fieldsheer 1 piece? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3A238BA6.3EDF76CF.0C9D3659@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii That's true, BUT if it's already tight while standing, it's going to get TIGHTER on the bike. It should be a little loose while standing, in my experience. The more of a racing crouch your bike requires, the more room you need in the suit. Chris Weaver --- ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > You're forgetting the fact that one-piece leathers > were built for being in the riding position on the > bike, not standing. When not on the bike, unzip the > front some to help alleviate some of the tightness. > At least, that's what I've read/heard/figured out > for myself. Just my .02. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 9 10:42:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h09Fg1O7025814; Thu, 9 Jan 2003 10:42:01 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h09Fg1H4025808; Thu, 9 Jan 2003 10:42:01 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030109104100.021ab690@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2003 10:41:58 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: VA Legislation In-Reply-To: References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030109101219.0206f858@mail.troutman.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:24 AM 1/9/2003, Daniel H. Brown wrote: >On Thu, 9 Jan 2003, Troutman wrote: > > Yeah - more laws will fix the problem. Lets ban guns - then people can't > > commit crimes with them either. > >Ya, then only Criminals will commit crimes with guns. Come on Dan - couldn't you feel the sarcasm dripping off of that one? ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 9 10:47:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h09FlvO7027480; Thu, 9 Jan 2003 10:47:57 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h09Flvdf027469; Thu, 9 Jan 2003 10:47:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <002b01c2b7f7$0cbd8fb0$332ea8c0@LHS> From: "Danny Thompson" To: "D.C. Cycles" References: <3E1CBFC3.8DCA662D@carlparker.com> <059c01c2b773$73a6aba0$7a5dfea9@mikescomputer> <010501c2b7f4$c8a73620$bb82fea9@palladio1> Subject: Re: 1157 LED taillight??? Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 10:52:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 You (whoever asked the question to begin with) are welcome to come and see my tail lights for a comparison, and even borrow the 2nd hyper-lite that I have to try it in your bike. There might be a lessening of brightness at different angles with LED light and that may also be a concern. Danny '02 FZ1 '02 XR 250R '98 Superhawk (for sale) www.onewayracing.org CSBA #150 ...................................... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Michael R. Cecchini" ; "DC Cycles" Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 10:35 AM Subject: Re: 1157 LED taillight??? > OK, at the risk of flogging dead horseflesh, here are my thoughts. > > An incandescent bulb, like the dual filament 1157, gives off light in a > nearly uniform sphere, except for the part blocked by the base. Due to the > spherical emission pattern the reflector is needed to beam the light from > the back half of the sphere toward the lens, thereby making the whole lens > area "light up." > > LEDs are different. Each unit in the array has its own tiny reflector to > beam the light rearward, so the visible area that appears to "light up" is > highly dependent on the number of LEDs. In a replacement device of similar > size to an 1157 this is not a very big area. So you may have a very intense > red light at the center but the entire lens will not have the appearance of > lighting up and will remain quite dark because the reflector has been > rendered useless. > > In fact, the web site Carl forwarded gives the caveat that devices "may" not > meet DOT and SAE standards. > > So, those are my concerns. I'm still interested in this approach, though, > and would like to see them installed. I do think if you're going to install > the LEDs inside a housing with a red lens, you should order white LEDs, not > red. > > Paul in DC > 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - IBA # 12143 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael R. Cecchini" > To: "DC Cycles" > Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 7:06 PM > Subject: Re: 1157 LED taillight??? > > > > You mean these ?? > > http://www.hyperlites.com/ > > > > Hell...........that's a B-I-G diff than what I was talking about. Earlier > emails were > > talking about putting a LED bulb inside the tail light housing as a direct > > replacement for a 1034 or a 1157 bulb. My comments were specifically > about that > > application. It sucks. > > > > These Hyper-Lites are a totally different item. They sure work, but would > you put > > them on the back of your new Ducati or Aprila ?? I don't think so. > Bimmer maybe, > > but not on the tail of my Duck. > > > > Mike > > ****************************************** > > > From: Carl Parker > > > I saw Hyper-lights, another LED setup, on a local LM's bike and they > > > were obnoxiously bright...much brighter than the stock brake light and > > > flashed as well. If it was any brighter it'd cause > > > seizures...definitely an eye catcher. > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 9 10:50:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h09Fo4O7028068; Thu, 9 Jan 2003 10:50:04 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h09Fo314028057; Thu, 9 Jan 2003 10:50:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <075c01c2b7ef$3588f4f0$7a5dfea9@mikescomputer> From: "Michael R. Cecchini" To: "DC Cycles" References: <3E1CBFC3.8DCA662D@carlparker.com> <059c01c2b773$73a6aba0$7a5dfea9@mikescomputer> <010501c2b7f4$c8a73620$bb82fea9@palladio1> Subject: Re: 1157 LED taillight??? Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 09:52:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH LOGIN at out006.verizon.net from [141.156.147.223] at Thu, 9 Jan 2003 09:49:56 -0600 Which is exactly what happened to me. MC ****************************************************** > From: "Paul Wilson" < > > An incandescent bulb, like the dual filament 1157, gives off light in a > nearly uniform sphere, except for the part blocked by the base. Due to the > spherical emission pattern the reflector is needed to beam the light from > the back half of the sphere toward the lens, thereby making the whole lens > area "light up." > > LEDs are different. Each unit in the array has its own tiny reflector to > beam the light rearward, so the visible area that appears to "light up" is > highly dependent on the number of LEDs. In a replacement device of similar > size to an 1157 this is not a very big area. So you may have a very intense > red light at the center but the entire lens will not have the appearance of > lighting up and will remain quite dark because the reflector has been > rendered useless. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 9 10:50:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h09Fo4O7028082; Thu, 9 Jan 2003 10:50:04 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h09Fo4jU028078; Thu, 9 Jan 2003 10:50:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <075d01c2b7ef$3613f6e0$7a5dfea9@mikescomputer> From: "Michael R. Cecchini" To: "DC Cycles" References: <5.2.0.9.2.20030109103121.02e27348@pop.east.cox.net> Subject: Re: VA Legislation Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 09:55:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH LOGIN at out006.verizon.net from [141.156.147.223] at Thu, 9 Jan 2003 09:49:56 -0600 Yea........bullets are made from lead. regulate lead not people. ************************************************************ guns don't keep people...bullets do. Regulate bullets not guns. 8-P ************************************************************ Ya, then only Criminals will commit crimes with guns. ************************************************************** Yeah - more laws will fix the problem. Lets ban guns - then people can't commit crimes with them either. ******************************************************* From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 9 10:51:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h09FpsO7028668; Thu, 9 Jan 2003 10:51:54 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h09FpsUk028659; Thu, 9 Jan 2003 10:51:54 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20030109105115.02e201a0@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2003 10:51:46 -0500 To: "DC Cycles" From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: VA Legislation In-Reply-To: <075d01c2b7ef$3613f6e0$7a5dfea9@mikescomputer> References: <5.2.0.9.2.20030109103121.02e27348@pop.east.cox.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 09:55 AM 1/9/2003, Michael R. Cecchini wrote: >Yea........bullets are made from lead. regulate lead not people. >************************************************************ >guns don't keep people...bullets do. Regulate bullets not >guns. 8-P >************************************************************ >Ya, then only Criminals will commit crimes with guns. >************************************************************** >Yeah - more laws will fix the problem. Lets ban guns - then > people can't commit crimes with them either. >******************************************************* I say regulate people. Less of 'em to shoot at. Problem solved. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 9 10:54:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h09Fs3O7030880; Thu, 9 Jan 2003 10:54:03 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h09Fs3xK030865; Thu, 9 Jan 2003 10:54:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 10:53:56 -0500 (EST) From: "Daniel H. Brown" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: VA Legislation In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030109104100.021ab690@mail.troutman.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 9 Jan 2003, Troutman wrote: > Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2003 10:41:58 -0500 > From: Troutman > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: VA Legislation > > At 10:24 AM 1/9/2003, Daniel H. Brown wrote: > >On Thu, 9 Jan 2003, Troutman wrote: > > > Yeah - more laws will fix the problem. Lets ban guns - then people can't > > > commit crimes with them either. > > > >Ya, then only Criminals will commit crimes with guns. > > Come on Dan - couldn't you feel the sarcasm dripping off of that one? Back at you... I'm 100% in agreement with you. Additional laws of that nature deserve righteouus indignation and sarcasm. My personal Virginia pet peeve is the radar detector ban. Has it stopped people from Speeding? No. Does it have a positive effect on whether or not LEO's can catch speeders? No. Does it give the state one more ticket that they can write, and therfore, collect revenue from, Yes. Is there any real purpose other than revenue collection? (Give or take the 'feel good, we promote safety' perks for the various lawmakers who made the law) No. Any chance it will get overturned in our lifetimes? Not likely. Anyhow, I'll stand by my statement, as a continuance of your sarcastic jibing. -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 9 11:39:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h09Gd6O7004883; Thu, 9 Jan 2003 11:39:06 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h09Gd4Wi004868; Thu, 9 Jan 2003 11:39:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2003 11:38:51 -0500 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: chris_vtr@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Fieldsheer 1 piece? MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <2B0413ED.3C5D470A.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I think he was talking about it being tight between crotch and neck when standing due to the cut of the suit. Not tight around the belly. The suits I've tried on have always been a little snug top to bottom when standing but, I've never had a problem when riding. Then again, I don't race and get into a real tight tuck either. That could be why. Oh well, like I said, just my .02. :-) In a message dated 1/9/2003 10:34:15 AM Eastern Standard Time, chris_vtr@XXXXXX writes: > > > That's true, BUT if it's already tight while standing, > it's going to get TIGHTER on the bike. It should be a > little loose while standing, in my experience. The > more of a racing crouch your bike requires, the more > room you need in the suit. > > Chris Weaver > > --- ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > > You're forgetting the fact that one-piece leathers > > were built for being in the riding position on the > > bike, not standing. When not on the bike, unzip the > > front some to help alleviate some of the tightness. > > At least, that's what I've read/heard/figured out > > for myself. Just my .02. > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 9 11:53:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h09GrlO7006730; Thu, 9 Jan 2003 11:53:47 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h09Grl4s006720; Thu, 9 Jan 2003 11:53:47 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <081b01c2b7f8$1cf70b80$7a5dfea9@mikescomputer> From: "Michael R. Cecchini" To: "DC Cycles" References: <2B0413ED.3C5D470A.0C9D3659@aol.com> Subject: Re: Fieldsheer 1 piece? Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 10:56:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH LOGIN at out006.verizon.net from [141.156.147.223] at Thu, 9 Jan 2003 10:53:40 -0600 About 3/4" to 1" free space all around when in full tuck position will give you the material tension vs freedom to move around on the bike is what I have found to be a good balance in leathers fit. What they do when you stand and walk is secondary. Certain leather companies like Dainese (even off the rack versions) have figured this out beautifully while even old timers like Bates are still struggling to find the proper balance even with their individual custom suits. $.02 MC ********************************************** From: > I think he was talking about it being tight between crotch and neck when standing due to the cut of the suit. Not tight around the belly. The suits I've tried on have always been a little snug top to bottom when standing but, I've never had a problem when riding. Then again, I don't race and get into a real tight tuck either. That could be why. Oh well, like I said, just my .02. :-) **************************************************************** chris_vtr@XXXXXX writes: > > That's true, BUT if it's already tight while standing, > > it's going to get TIGHTER on the bike. It should be a > > little loose while standing, in my experience. The > > more of a racing crouch your bike requires, the more > > room you need in the suit. ************************************************************ > > ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > > > You're forgetting the fact that one-piece leathers > > > were built for being in the riding position on the > > > bike, not standing. When not on the bike, unzip the > > > front some to help alleviate some of the tightness. > > > At least, that's what I've read/heard/figured out > > > for myself. Just my .02. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 9 12:15:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h09HFWO7009112; Thu, 9 Jan 2003 12:15:32 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h09HFWJg009102; Thu, 9 Jan 2003 12:15:32 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [63.251.87.214] From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: TV Commercials Link SUVs, Terror Funds Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2003 12:03:35 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jan 2003 17:03:35.0802 (UTC) FILETIME=[0C24EDA0:01C2B801] Look! Another cabin-fever topic for DC Cycles: SUV's suck (at least fuel) http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=1038&e=2&cid=494&u=/ap/20030109/ap_en_tv/suv_terrorism_ads _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8 is here: Try it free* for 2 months http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 9 12:26:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h09HQdO7010830; Thu, 9 Jan 2003 12:26:39 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h09HQcac010820; Thu, 9 Jan 2003 12:26:38 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030109172629.8268.qmail@web40812.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 09:26:29 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: VA Legislation To: Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030109101219.0206f858@mail.troutman.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Troutman wrote: > At 09:19 AM 1/9/2003, Aaron wrote: > >* Two bills would prohibit any form of inattentive > >driving: SB 996 (Mims, > >"Drivers to give attention to operation of vehicle: > >Every person operating > >a motor vehicle on the highways of the Commonwealth > >shall give his full > >time and attention to the operation of the > vehicle") > >and > > > >HB 1910 (Almand, > >"Driving While Distracted": "No person shall > operate > >any motor vehicle on > >the highways of the Commonwealth while engaging in > any > >distracting > >activity that interferes with his safe operation of > >the vehicle"). > > Yeah - more laws will fix the problem. Lets ban > guns - then people can't > commit crimes with them either. > Actually these two are a good thing. As it stands now, let's say you look at down at your radio or a hot jogger on the sidewalk and drift over to the side and scrape a guardrail. If the state trooper writes you a ticket, you get a reckless driving ticket. There is no provision in state code for failing to pay full time and attention like there is in the county code. Unless you really think every minor offense deserves a reckless ticket, you should support this. ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 9 12:35:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h09HZBO7012556; Thu, 9 Jan 2003 12:35:11 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h09HZAVB012546; Thu, 9 Jan 2003 12:35:10 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030109173507.34140.qmail@web11102.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 09:35:07 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: Fieldsheer 1 piece? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <2B0413ED.3C5D470A.0C9D3659@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii That's just what I was talking about as well. When you're standing, the distance between your crotch and neck is shorter than when your back is more curved as when in a crouch. That's why you often see race suits look a little baggy in the butt when the rider is standing, but a much better fit while riding. I can just say that this is based upon my OWN experience with buying a one-piece winter suit and trying on various one- and two-piece leathers. YBMV (Your body may vary) and YSMV (your suit may vary) and apparently they both do. Chris Weaver --- ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > I think he was talking about it being tight between > crotch and neck when standing due to the cut of the > suit. Not tight around the belly. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 9 13:23:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h09INlO7015679; Thu, 9 Jan 2003 13:23:47 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h09INiVd015664; Thu, 9 Jan 2003 13:23:44 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030109132012.021a2bc8@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2003 13:23:12 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: VA Legislation In-Reply-To: <20030109172629.8268.qmail@web40812.mail.yahoo.com> References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030109101219.0206f858@mail.troutman.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 12:26 PM 1/9/2003, you wrote: >Actually these two are a good thing. As it stands now, >let's say you look at down at your radio or a hot >jogger on the sidewalk and drift over to the side and >scrape a guardrail. If the state trooper writes you a >ticket, you get a reckless driving ticket. There is no >provision in state code for failing to pay full time >and attention like there is in the county code. Unless >you really think every minor offense deserves a >reckless ticket, you should support this. No, I shouldn't. I agree with the theory that it would cut down on reckless tickets (VA is ridiculous) but the wording is to vague and ambiguous it would not be enforceable. Can you prove I didn't give my full attention to the operation of the vehicle? How do you ticket this exactly? Of course, if you are drifting between lanes on your cell phone, that is reckless driving, right? If it is actually worth ticketing, doesn't reckless driving fit? (D.A.) ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org "Peace on Earth to men of good will. All others stand by." - broadcast from the USS Harry S. Truman 12-5-02 as the battle group left for the Persian Gulf. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 9 13:41:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h09IfLO7017651; Thu, 9 Jan 2003 13:41:21 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h09IfLiY017641; Thu, 9 Jan 2003 13:41:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <200301091821.QBL77874@vmms2.verisignmail.com> Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 13:21:44 -0500 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: VA Legislation To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mirapoint Webmail Direct 2.9.3.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Todd W says: >Actually these two are a good thing. As it stands now, >let's say you look at down at your radio or a hot >jogger on the sidewalk and drift over to the side and >scrape a guardrail. If the state trooper writes you a >ticket, you get a reckless driving ticket. There is no >provision in state code for failing to pay full time >and attention like there is in the county code. Unless >you really think every minor offense deserves a >reckless ticket, you should support this. [Dave] Decisions, decisions... While I must confess that drivers that yak on the cell phone at the expense of safety infuriate me, I'm not sure that more laws will work... On one hand, I wouldn't mind seeing drivers snagged for cell phone yakking - not all instances, but a good portion - get the full monty, reckless citation, points, jail time for repeat yakkers, heavy fines... OTOH, the police by and large can't or won't enforce the laws we have now. The whole Rt 1 pedestrian / motorist issue is a fine example. Motorists are taking the heat for the '02 pedestrian deaths on Rt. 1 (# ?I think it was 8 or 9 drivers, passengers and peds.) But within the last week, I've been "jumped in front of, AT SPEED by no less than 10 people. All but 3 of them were not in crosswalks, not using the lights - they were walking INTO traffic on Rt 1, literally daring someone to hit them. Some of them weren't being belligerent about it, just being lazy, but still... Last night's episode 2 separate Pedestrians jump into moving traffic - to include a Fairfax cop. Nada. Nothing. didn't even break his stride, or move in the seat. I'm talking about people jumping into 40 - 45 mph, 3 lane rush hour traffic. And doesn't VA have a "negligent" driving violation also? We all know it's about the money, so why not start targeting these moron cell phone yakkers and send them up for the full reckless. Literally, there are almost half as many cell phone yakkers as speeders, but the reckless fine is FAR and away more profitable for the jurisdiction... We could maintain our current level of services at the state & local level, balance the budget AND be safer. Dave >> >* Two bills would prohibit any form of inattentive >> >driving: SB 996 (Mims, >> >"Drivers to give attention to operation of vehicle: >> >Every person operating >> >a motor vehicle on the highways of the Commonwealth >> >shall give his full >> >time and attention to the operation of the >> vehicle") >> >and >> > >> >HB 1910 (Almand, >> >"Driving While Distracted": "No person shall >> operate >> >any motor vehicle on >> >the highways of the Commonwealth while engaging in >> any >> >distracting >> >activity that interferes with his safe operation of >> >the vehicle"). >> >> Yeah - more laws will fix the problem. Lets ban >> guns - then people can't >> commit crimes with them either. >> > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 9 14:26:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h09JQSO7019615; Thu, 9 Jan 2003 14:26:28 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h09JQLvQ019600; Thu, 9 Jan 2003 14:26:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E1DCB87.891DBB44@carlparker.com> Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2003 14:20:39 -0500 From: Carl Parker X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en,zh-CN MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, wayne@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Fieldsheer 1 piece? References: <3A238BA6.3EDF76CF.0C9D3659@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yeah that's why I squatted in the riding position...and it wasn't the leathers I was talking about it was their new one piece textile 'Stitch wanna be suit. CP ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > You're forgetting the fact that one-piece leathers were built for being in the riding position on the bike, not standing. When not on the bike, unzip the front some to help alleviate some of the tightness. At least, that's what I've read/heard/figured out for myself. Just my .02. > > Scooter > > In a message dated 1/8/2003 7:00:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, carl@XXXXXX writes: > > > > > > > I treid on the Fieldsheer one piece. It looks like a great bargain if > > it wasn't cut fo a chimpanzee. I'm 6'1 about 180lbs, 32 in inseam and > > 34 waist. The length between the crotch and neck was way too short so > > when you stood up it pulled on the back of your shoulders...big time. > > Not only on one size but 3. L, XL, and XXL all did it. The XXL was > > better but it was also hugely big in the chest, gut, etc. Even on the > > XXL the knee and hip pads were below my knees and hips when I got into > > a squatting/sitting position...standing, it was worse. > > > > I have no idea what they were thinking but it jsut doesn't > > fit my > > build. Would be a great value otherwise. > > > > -CP From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 9 14:34:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h09JYKO7021322; Thu, 9 Jan 2003 14:34:20 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h09JYJaj021309; Thu, 9 Jan 2003 14:34:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E1DCD66.28A2BB89@carlparker.com> Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2003 14:28:38 -0500 From: Carl Parker X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en,zh-CN MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DCCycles Subject: HOOOOOOOOOOYAH NICE DAY FUR A RIDE!!! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit BEEP BEEP BEEP!!!! Hope everyone's out riding with a chance to enjoy this mid winter gift. Happy Trailz, Carl Parker From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 9 14:55:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h09JtIO7023135; Thu, 9 Jan 2003 14:55:18 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h09JtHCq023125; Thu, 9 Jan 2003 14:55:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: DCCycles Subject: Re: HOOOOOOOOOOYAH NICE DAY FUR A RIDE!!! Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 14:51:59 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <3E1DCD66.28A2BB89@carlparker.com> In-Reply-To: <3E1DCD66.28A2BB89@carlparker.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0301091451590U.02506@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Thursday 09 January 2003 14:28, Carl Parker wrote: > BEEP BEEP BEEP!!!! > > Hope everyone's out riding with a chance to enjoy this mid winter > gift. > shaddup damn end of contract push :-( > Happy Trailz, > Carl Parker Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 9 15:06:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h09K6QO7024912; Thu, 9 Jan 2003 15:06:26 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h09K6QMW024902; Thu, 9 Jan 2003 15:06:26 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 15:05:02 -0500 (EST) From: hcaldwell To: Allen Caldwell , biglj@XXXXXX, catherine.ctr.austin@XXXXXX, claudecaldwell@XXXXXX, contact@XXXXXX, cwu@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, declusteurizacion@XXXXXX, demayo25@XXXXXX, DR650@XXXXXX, esande@XXXXXX, florencevaucelle@XXXXXX, forwoodp@XXXXXX, gdmissions@XXXXXX, Gtooss@XXXXXX, ilaun34@XXXXXX, jendavw@XXXXXX, KBNEAL1776@XXXXXX, kloggr@XXXXXX, kvdmeijden@XXXXXX, larkino1@XXXXXX, mackatsea@XXXXXX, mauagsv@XXXXXX, mikehammonduk@XXXXXX, mike_h@XXXXXX, mkrodman3@XXXXXX, pawilson@XXXXXX, prenauld@XXXXXX, professorlove17@XXXXXX, rubinalex@XXXXXX, sales@XXXXXX, spencerar@XXXXXX, srichards@XXXXXX, tmyukna@XXXXXX, vfr@XXXXXX, WSDYMF@XXXXXX Subject: Tour Update Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Puerto Chicama Peru to 25 de Mayo Argentina If you would like to get in contact with me please respond directly to this email or use one of the link on my website Thanks, Hugh Caldwell http://www.twowheelsgood.net Proudly sponsored by Loudoun Motorsports http://www.loudounmotorsports.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 9 15:34:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h09KYXO7026719; Thu, 9 Jan 2003 15:34:33 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h09KYW2o026709; Thu, 9 Jan 2003 15:34:32 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 15:45:18 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: Fieldsheer 1 piece? In-Reply-To: <3A238BA6.3EDF76CF.0C9D3659@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 9 Jan 2003 ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > You're forgetting the fact that one-piece leathers were built for being in the riding position on the bike, not standing. When not on the bike, unzip the front some to help alleviate some of the tightness. At least, that's what I've read/heard/figured out for myself. Just my .02. > > Scooter Thanks for the responses... Chuck, Scooter and Carl. I have a 2 piece JR leather and it's the same way with the jacket zipped to the pants, there is a little pressure on the yam bag when walking around. One problem I've found with most off the shelf stuff is that it's cut for fat people. When you find something that fits a wide back/chest, it's cut for a huge belly. I bought 2 piece leathers for this reason, I can get a narrow waist pant and a large jacket. I figured that with a 1 piece textile suit, it wouldn't matter if the midsection was a little loose. Carl - where were you able to find the Fieldsheer to try on? -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 9 15:40:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h09KeSO7027883; Thu, 9 Jan 2003 15:40:29 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h09KeSer027876; Thu, 9 Jan 2003 15:40:28 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 15:51:11 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: TV Commercials Link SUVs, Terror Funds In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 9 Jan 2003, Perry Coleman wrote: > Look! Another cabin-fever topic for DC Cycles: > > SUV's suck (at least fuel) > > http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=1038&e=2&cid=494&u=/ap/20030109/ap_en_tv/suv_terrorism_ads Damn it, first God hates my Yukon Denali XL, now I'm funding terrorism ;-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 9 16:05:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h09L5SO7030259; Thu, 9 Jan 2003 16:05:28 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h09L5RER030249; Thu, 9 Jan 2003 16:05:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030109210525.60540.qmail@web13904.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 13:05:25 -0800 (PST) From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: VA Legislation To: Dave Yates , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <200301091821.QBL77874@vmms2.verisignmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Dave Yates wrote: > Todd W says: > >....scrape a guardrail. If the state trooper writes > you a > >ticket, you get a reckless driving ticket. There is > no > >provision in state code for failing to pay full > time > >and attention like there is in the county code. > Unless > >you really think every minor offense deserves a > >reckless ticket, you should support this. > > [Dave] Decisions, decisions... , > .... > And doesn't VA have a "negligent" driving violation > also? VA has "improper driving"; most states have "careless driving", as a lesser alternative to reckless. The VA code also has a provision that: ")B§ 46.2-869. Improper driving; penalty. Notwithstanding the foregoing provisions of this article, upon the trial of any person charged with reckless driving where the degree of culpability is slight, the court in its discretion may find the accused not guilty of reckless driving but guilty of improper driving. However, an attorney for the Commonwealth may reduce a charge of reckless driving to improper driving at any time prior to the court's decision and shall notify the court of such change. Improper driving shall be punishable as a traffic infraction punishable by a fine of not more than $500." -- Larry __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 9 16:05:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h09L5rO7030292; Thu, 9 Jan 2003 16:05:53 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h09L5rC1030286; Thu, 9 Jan 2003 16:05:53 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030109210550.33365.qmail@web13902.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 13:05:50 -0800 (PST) From: Keith Lamond Subject: Re: TV Commercials Link SUVs, Terror Funds To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Well most (not all) SUV drivers are terrorizing the roads with their driving. Keith --- Wayne Edelen wrote: > On Thu, 9 Jan 2003, Perry Coleman wrote: > > > Look! Another cabin-fever topic for DC Cycles: > > > > SUV's suck (at least fuel) > > > > > http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=1038&e=2&cid=494&u=/ap/20030109/ap_en_tv/suv_terrorism_ads > > Damn it, first God hates my Yukon Denali XL, now I'm > funding terrorism > ;-) > > -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 9 16:07:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h09L75O7030909; Thu, 9 Jan 2003 16:07:05 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h09L74g9030901; Thu, 9 Jan 2003 16:07:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030109210701.75559.qmail@web13901.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 13:07:01 -0800 (PST) From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: HOOOOOOOOOOYAH NICE DAY FUR A RIDE!!! To: Carl Parker , DCCycles In-Reply-To: <3E1DCD66.28A2BB89@carlparker.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Just got back. A gorgeous day, but I don't think it quite reached the forecast 60. Still a lot of sand and crud on the roads, though. -- Larry --- Carl Parker wrote: > BEEP BEEP BEEP!!!! > > Hope everyone's out riding with a chance to enjoy > this mid winter gift. > > Happy Trailz, > Carl Parker > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 9 16:14:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h09LEXO7002434; Thu, 9 Jan 2003 16:14:33 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h09LEXXS002424; Thu, 9 Jan 2003 16:14:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [208.174.116.106] From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Fieldsheer 1 piece? Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2003 16:11:16 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jan 2003 21:11:16.0804 (UTC) FILETIME=[A5FDE040:01C2B823] I've got a FS leather jacket for winter and it's definately made for a fat man. >From: Wayne Edelen >I have a 2 piece JR leather and it's the same way with the jacket zipped >to the pants, there is a little pressure on the yam bag when walking >around. > >One problem I've found with most off the shelf stuff is that it's cut for >fat people. When you find something that fits a wide back/chest, it's cut >for a huge belly. I bought 2 piece leathers for this reason, I can get a >narrow waist pant and a large jacket. I figured that with a 1 piece >textile suit, it wouldn't matter if the midsection was a little loose. _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 9 16:31:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h09LV3O7004786; Thu, 9 Jan 2003 16:31:03 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h09LV2mB004776; Thu, 9 Jan 2003 16:31:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E1DEB4E.E1A81800@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2003 16:36:14 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Larry Larson CC: Carl Parker , DCCycles Subject: Re: HOOOOOOOOOOYAH NICE DAY FUR A RIDE!!! References: <20030109210701.75559.qmail@web13901.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Larry Larson wrote: > Just got back. A gorgeous day, but I don't think it > quite reached the forecast 60. > > Still a lot of sand and crud on the roads, though. > > -- Larry > Not too much. Went east & west running erands today and didn't see an awful amount of sandy spots. Seems to be off on the sides so I kinda stayed in the center of the off/on ramps. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 9 16:33:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h09LXGO7005374; Thu, 9 Jan 2003 16:33:16 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h09LXG15005370; Thu, 9 Jan 2003 16:33:16 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E1DE994.7A448EE3@tasam.com> Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2003 16:28:52 -0500 From: Skip Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Larry Larson CC: Dave Yates , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: VA Legislation References: <20030109210525.60540.qmail@web13904.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Larry Larson wrote: > VA has "improper driving"; most states have "careless > driving", as a lesser alternative to reckless. The VA > code also has a provision that: > > ")B§ 46.2-869. Improper driving; penalty. > > Notwithstanding the foregoing provisions of this > article, upon the trial of any person charged with > reckless driving where the degree of culpability is > slight, the court in its discretion may find the > accused not guilty of reckless driving but guilty of > improper driving. However, an attorney for the > Commonwealth may reduce a charge of reckless driving > to improper driving at any time prior to the court's > decision and shall notify the court of such change. > Improper driving shall be punishable as a traffic > infraction punishable by a fine of not more than > $500." I've had charges reduced to that. :~) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 9 16:52:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h09Lq0O7008278; Thu, 9 Jan 2003 16:52:00 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h09LpwK5008268; Thu, 9 Jan 2003 16:51:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [63.251.87.214] From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Fieldsheer 1 piece? Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2003 16:39:57 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jan 2003 21:39:57.0333 (UTC) FILETIME=[A781C450:01C2B827] Well, that may be more of a Fieldsheer thing than an industry thing. I normally wear a 42, or thereabouts, jacket. When I bought my Teknics (sp?) vented jacket, I couldn't even get the 42 over my shoulders. I had to go with a 46 and it's snug. Not unpleasantly so, but it is definitely a "slim" fit. My First Gear Kilimanjaro (textile, in large) almost feels like it was custom made for me. The sizing is all but identical to a sports coat I would buy at a fine men's wear store. Perry >From: "rich hall" >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Fieldsheer 1 piece? >Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2003 16:11:16 -0500 > >I've got a FS leather jacket for winter and it's definately made for a fat >man. > >>From: Wayne Edelen > >>I have a 2 piece JR leather and it's the same way with the jacket zipped >>to the pants, there is a little pressure on the yam bag when walking >>around. >> >>One problem I've found with most off the shelf stuff is that it's cut for >>fat people. When you find something that fits a wide back/chest, it's cut >>for a huge belly. I bought 2 piece leathers for this reason, I can get a >>narrow waist pant and a large jacket. I figured that with a 1 piece >>textile suit, it wouldn't matter if the midsection was a little loose. > > >_________________________________________________________________ >MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* >http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 9 17:15:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h09MFcO7010106; Thu, 9 Jan 2003 17:15:38 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h09MFb9b010096; Thu, 9 Jan 2003 17:15:37 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2003 17:15:07 -0500 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: mrc.engr@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Fieldsheer 1 piece? MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <525C4B35.24F780B2.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Agreed. I've got a Dainese T-Age suit that fits like a glove whether I'm in a tuck or standing. They've got this neat little stretch panel on the belly for when you're standing. The best part of all is.....they've got a seperate fly zipper. ;-) Scooter In a message dated 1/9/2003 10:56:58 AM Eastern Standard Time, mrc.engr@XXXXXX writes: > > > About 3/4" to 1" free space all around when in full tuck position will give you the > material tension vs freedom to move around on the bike is what I have found to be a > good balance in leathers fit. What they do when you stand and walk is secondary. > Certain leather companies like Dainese (even off the rack versions) have figured this > out beautifully while even old timers like Bates are still struggling to find the > proper balance even with their individual custom suits. $.02 > > MC > ********************************************** > From: > > I think he was talking about it being tight between crotch and neck when standing > due to the cut of the suit. Not tight around the belly. The suits I've tried on > have always been a little snug top to bottom when standing but, I've never had a > problem when riding. Then again, I don't race and get into a real tight tuck either. > That could be why. Oh well, like I said, just my .02. :-) > ************************************************************ > **** > chris_vtr@XXXXXX writes: > > > That's true, BUT if it's already tight while standing, > > > it's going to get TIGHTER on the bike. It should be a > > > little loose while standing, in my experience. The > > > more of a racing crouch your bike requires, the more > > > room you need in the suit. > ************************************************************ > > > ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > You're forgetting the fact that one-piece leathers > > > > were built for being in the riding position on the > > > > bike, not standing. When not on the bike, unzip the > > > > front some to help alleviate some of the tightness. > > > > At least, that's what I've read/heard/figured out > > > > for myself. Just my .02. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 9 17:19:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h09MJ5O7011229; Thu, 9 Jan 2003 17:19:05 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h09MJ51u011221; Thu, 9 Jan 2003 17:19:05 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2003 17:18:47 -0500 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: chris_vtr@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Fieldsheer 1 piece? MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <1C274E0B.263BF9D0.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Dontcha just HATE baggy butt? LOL Apparently I just never paid attention to the butt area. Never seemed to bother me but, everyone says I have butt anyway. hehe Scooter In a message dated 1/9/2003 12:35:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, chris_vtr@XXXXXX writes: > > > That's just what I was talking about as well. When > you're standing, the distance between your crotch and > neck is shorter than when your back is more curved as > when in a crouch. That's why you often see race suits > look a little baggy in the butt when the rider is > standing, but a much better fit while riding. I can > just say that this is based upon my OWN experience > with buying a one-piece winter suit and trying on > various one- and two-piece leathers. YBMV (Your body > may vary) and YSMV (your suit may vary) and apparently > they both do. > > Chris Weaver > > --- ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > > I think he was talking about it being tight between > > crotch and neck when standing due to the cut of the > > suit. Not tight around the belly. > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 9 17:20:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h09MKgO7011816; Thu, 9 Jan 2003 17:20:42 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h09MKg3l011803; Thu, 9 Jan 2003 17:20:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030109222034.45748.qmail@web40802.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 14:20:34 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: VA Legislation To: Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030109132012.021a2bc8@mail.troutman.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > No, I shouldn't. I agree with the theory that it > would cut down on > reckless tickets (VA is ridiculous) but the wording > is to vague and > ambiguous it would not be enforceable. The general reckless driving statute is equally vague. Except for instances where it is spelled out, like 20mph over, or over 80mph. If the officer thinks you were reckless, then you are charged that way. He articulates his reasoning in court. With the "Failure to pay full time and attention" it is the same. Officer discretion. This allows an officer to distinguish between actively being reckless and simply having a lapse of attention. EVERYONE has had a lapse of attention, do you think you should go to jail for it? I prefer to have more options, I prefer to be able to NOT slam someone who simply screwed up, but was not malicious with their transgression. Fairfax already has this in place, it is a county ordinance. If you ever get this ticket, you can always request the reckless ticket instead. Your choice, Todd ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 9 17:23:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h09MNDO7012934; Thu, 9 Jan 2003 17:23:13 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h09MNDtW012928; Thu, 9 Jan 2003 17:23:13 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030109222306.7544.qmail@web40807.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 14:23:06 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: VA Legislation To: Skip Smith , Larry Larson Cc: Dave Yates , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3E1DE994.7A448EE3@tasam.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Skip Smith wrote: > > > I've had charges reduced to that. :~) > Exactly, that is after you go to court on a charge that was higher than what was warranted, but nothing else fit. Having lower level charges allows more flexibility. ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 9 17:35:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h09MZWO7016393; Thu, 9 Jan 2003 17:35:32 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h09MZVu7016383; Thu, 9 Jan 2003 17:35:31 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030109223529.51569.qmail@web13902.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 14:35:29 -0800 (PST) From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: VA Legislation To: Skip Smith , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3E1DE994.7A448EE3@tasam.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Skip Smith wrote: > > I've had charges reduced to that. :~) You must have flashed a little leg, or cried, or something... never works for me. (Grump) -- Larry __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 9 17:53:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h09MrsO7018776; Thu, 9 Jan 2003 17:53:54 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h09MrpO5018761; Thu, 9 Jan 2003 17:53:51 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030109225324.13641.qmail@web41108.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 14:53:24 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: VA Legislation To: Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030109132012.021a2bc8@mail.troutman.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Troutman wrote: > At 12:26 PM 1/9/2003, you wrote: > >Actually these two are a good thing. As it stands now, > >let's say you look at down at your radio or a hot > >jogger on the sidewalk and drift over to the side and > >scrape a guardrail. If the state trooper writes you a > >ticket, you get a reckless driving ticket. There is no > >provision in state code for failing to pay full time > >and attention like there is in the county code. Unless > >you really think every minor offense deserves a > >reckless ticket, you should support this. > > No, I shouldn't. I agree with the theory that it would > cut down on > reckless tickets (VA is ridiculous) but the wording is to > vague and > ambiguous it would not be enforceable. check out the language in the current reckless (general) staute. talk about vague and ambiguous. OH, BUT THEY CAN ENFORCE IT JUST FINE. > Can you prove I > didn't give my full > attention to the operation of the vehicle? How do you > ticket this exactly? check the box. take witness stand. (gavel sounds). guilty. welcome to the commonwealth, motherfucker! -- tg __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 9 17:56:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h09MuEO7019960; Thu, 9 Jan 2003 17:56:14 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h09MuDA8019951; Thu, 9 Jan 2003 17:56:13 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030109225601.32650.qmail@web41107.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 14:56:01 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: VA Legislation To: Larry Larson , Skip Smith , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20030109223529.51569.qmail@web13902.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Larry Larson wrote: > --- Skip Smith wrote: > > > > I've had charges reduced to that. :~) > > You must have flashed a little leg, or cried, or > something... never works for me. (Grump) hire an attorney. many reckless charges are reduced to improper when the defendant is represented. i think it may have something to do with the perceived effort to defend oneself rather than the merits of the defense.... but who knows? -- tg __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 9 18:25:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h09NPcO7022330; Thu, 9 Jan 2003 18:25:38 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h09NPbLp022320; Thu, 9 Jan 2003 18:25:37 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030109232530.36431.qmail@web41113.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 15:25:30 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: cycles and tacoma double/crew cabs To: madsters@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3E1DDA58.6060704@bellatlantic.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii anybody successful in fitting a sportbike (e.g., duc superbike) into the bed (with the gate down, of course) of a toyota tacoma double cab/crew cab/ four-door? these terms all refer to the same truck body style. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 9 18:34:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h09NY8O7024058; Thu, 9 Jan 2003 18:34:08 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h09NY8aA024043; Thu, 9 Jan 2003 18:34:08 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 18:44:51 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: cycles and tacoma double/crew cabs In-Reply-To: <20030109232530.36431.qmail@web41113.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 9 Jan 2003, Tom Gimer wrote: > anybody successful in fitting a sportbike (e.g., duc > superbike) into the bed (with the gate down, of course) of > a toyota tacoma double cab/crew cab/ four-door? these > terms all refer to the same truck body style. According to http://www.toyota.com/html/shop/vehicles/tacoma/specs/tacoma_specs.html#double the bed is 61.5" in length. According to http://www.ducati.com/bikes/my2003/ducatiModel.jhtml?part=chassis&modelName=748-03 the wheelbase of a 748 (which is similar to your 916, right?) is 55.5". -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 9 19:02:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0A024O7026387; Thu, 9 Jan 2003 19:02:04 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0A022vi026372; Thu, 9 Jan 2003 19:02:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Really-To: From: "Gary Foreman" To: Subject: RE: cycles and tacoma double/crew cabs Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 19:02:13 -0500 Message-ID: <005e01c2b83b$87cb3ce0$1400a8c0@5Q39911> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 Importance: Normal In-reply-to: <20030109232530.36431.qmail@web41113.mail.yahoo.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 My TL fits the Tundra, but I can't close the tailgate. The Taco bed looks really short. http://www.gwfweb.com/cycles/021014/1014-58.jpg If you want to get creative, I have seen people use 3/4" plywood to extend the bed even further by running a piece out past the tailgate. Of course you want both front and rear wheels on it. This isn't easy unless you can back the tailgate up to a bank or something, as a ramp won't work unless you have someone standing on the plywood in the front of the cab during the load. -----Original Message----- From: Tom Gimer [mailto:t_gimer@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 6:26 PM To: madsters@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: cycles and tacoma double/crew cabs anybody successful in fitting a sportbike (e.g., duc superbike) into the bed (with the gate down, of course) of a toyota tacoma double cab/crew cab/ four-door? these terms all refer to the same truck body style. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 9 19:14:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0A0EJO7030764; Thu, 9 Jan 2003 19:14:19 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0A0EJBB030748; Thu, 9 Jan 2003 19:14:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E1E11A1.74DFF1E8@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2003 19:19:45 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Wayne Edelen CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: cycles and tacoma double/crew cabs References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wayne Edelen wrote: > On Thu, 9 Jan 2003, Tom Gimer wrote: > > > anybody successful in fitting a sportbike (e.g., duc > > superbike) into the bed (with the gate down, of course) of > > a toyota tacoma double cab/crew cab/ four-door? these > > terms all refer to the same truck body style. > > According to > the bed is 61.5" in length. > > According to the wheelbase of a 748 (which is similar to your 916, right?) is > 55.5". So putting the bike kitty-corner should give Tom more'n 6 feet in length to work with, not counting the tailgate. Go for it, tg! Bill. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 9 19:41:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0A0ftO7032644; Thu, 9 Jan 2003 19:41:55 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0A0fq0t032629; Thu, 9 Jan 2003 19:41:52 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <004501c2b83d$cff745c0$6c725c0c@micron> From: "Mobacc \(now @ATT\)" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Re: 1157 LED taillight??? Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 19:18:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 From: "Michael R. Cecchini" You mean these ?? http://www.hyperlites.com/ ...snip They sure work, ...snip Mike -------------- Have them and love them. There is a warm confidence knowing my rear is lighting up like a Christmas bustle as I stop, particularly at night. Surely makes fireflies jealous in the summer. Bill S. / DC '99 VN750 > I resist braking because I have a stealth reputation to protect Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 9 19:50:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0A0o8O7001340; Thu, 9 Jan 2003 19:50:08 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0A0o7Lr001324; Thu, 9 Jan 2003 19:50:07 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030110005000.65418.qmail@web41110.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 16:50:00 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: cycles and tacoma double/crew cabs To: "William J. Huson" , Wayne Edelen Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3E1E11A1.74DFF1E8@patriot.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii the problem is, my former extra cab had a bed length of 74" and the duc would only fit with the gate down. (wheelbase is certainly relevant, but it ain't the final number to use in the calculation). now this thing's bed is almost 20" shorter! it'll be very close. i see a CUSTOM bed extender in my future. i was initially hoping to be able to use the regular bed extender to handle hauling. encouraging words from a fellow lister (buell cyclone owner) are making me lean towards picking one of these tacoma doubles up anyway. i really miss my truck. :( --- "William J. Huson" wrote: > Wayne Edelen wrote: > > > On Thu, 9 Jan 2003, Tom Gimer wrote: > > > > > anybody successful in fitting a sportbike (e.g., duc > > > superbike) into the bed (with the gate down, of > course) of > > > a toyota tacoma double cab/crew cab/ four-door? > these > > > terms all refer to the same truck body style. > > > > According to > > the bed is 61.5" in length. > > > > According to the wheelbase of a 748 (which is > similar to your 916, right?) is > > 55.5". > > So putting the bike kitty-corner should give Tom more'n 6 > feet in length to work with, > not counting the tailgate. Go for it, tg! __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 9 19:58:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0A0wfO7003687; Thu, 9 Jan 2003 19:58:41 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0A0wf7Q003677; Thu, 9 Jan 2003 19:58:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <004601c2b840$2eff5ba0$6c725c0c@micron> From: "Mobacc \(now @ATT\)" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: RE: Lane Splitting ?? Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 19:35:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 It's me, the bike, bicycle, and Metro. And, locally, taxis, who get quizzed and inoculated about motorcycle safety. Bill S. / DC '99 VN750 > In favor of legalized lanesplitting worldwide Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From: "LindaT." To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: RE: Lane Splitting ?? Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 19:17:17 -0500 Raising hand... ME. I have three motorcycles. period. LindaT. Custom TankBags Now - TankBags for 1800 Wings Springfield, VA (suburb of our nation's capital) AMA IBA HSTA BMWBMW 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy 95 F3 Purple Haze (69K miles and counting...) 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing http://www.customtankbags.com Wayne Edelen said: Very true. I do not know anyone that owns a motorcycle as their only form of transportation. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 10 07:46:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0ACktO7009137; Fri, 10 Jan 2003 07:46:55 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0ACkp8A009127; Fri, 10 Jan 2003 07:46:51 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [199.79.176.65] From: "Adam Wah" To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 12:32:25 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jan 2003 12:32:25.0699 (UTC) FILETIME=[54D1FB30:01C2B8A4] Good idea... next let's ban spoons so people like Rosie O'Donnell won't get fat(ter). On Thu, 9 Jan 2003, Troutman wrote: >Yeah - more laws will fix the problem. Lets ban guns - then people can't >commit crimes with them either. _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8 is here: Try it free* for 2 months http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 10 08:28:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0ADSlO7009975; Fri, 10 Jan 2003 08:28:48 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0ADSlGU009965; Fri, 10 Jan 2003 08:28:47 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030110132839.43703.qmail@web41115.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 05:28:39 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: cycles and tacoma double/crew cabs To: "William J. Huson" , Wayne Edelen Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20030110005000.65418.qmail@web41110.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii math was never my strong subject. the bed on the double is slightly more than a foot shorter than on the xtra cab. the duc will fit.... and although it will look rather funny with the rear all the way out at the end of the gate, as long as it fits straight in, i'm happy. it's a go! --- Tom Gimer wrote: > the problem is, my former extra cab had a bed length of > 74" > and the duc would only fit with the gate down. > (wheelbase > is certainly relevant, but it ain't the final number to > use > in the calculation). now this thing's bed is almost 20" > shorter! it'll be very close. i see a CUSTOM bed > extender > in my future. i was initially hoping to be able to use > the > regular bed extender to handle hauling. > > encouraging words from a fellow lister (buell cyclone > owner) are making me lean towards picking one of these > tacoma doubles up anyway. i really miss my truck. :( __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 10 08:53:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0ADrxO7011300; Fri, 10 Jan 2003 08:53:59 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0ADrwfc011290; Fri, 10 Jan 2003 08:53:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E1ED1B7.FEAE222F@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 08:59:19 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tom Gimer CC: Wayne Edelen , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: cycles and tacoma double/crew cabs References: <20030110132839.43703.qmail@web41115.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tom Gimer wrote: > math was never my strong subject. the bed on the double is > slightly more than a foot shorter than on the xtra cab. > the duc will fit.... and although it will look rather funny > with the rear all the way out at the end of the gate, as > long as it fits straight in, i'm happy. > > it's a go! Very simple. Square the length and add to square of the width, then find the square root of the sum = diagonal length available. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 10 08:55:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0ADtsO7011338; Fri, 10 Jan 2003 08:55:54 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0ADtsF6011330; Fri, 10 Jan 2003 08:55:54 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 09:06:16 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: cycles and tacoma double/crew cabs In-Reply-To: <20030110132839.43703.qmail@web41115.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 10 Jan 2003, Tom Gimer wrote: > math was never my strong subject. the bed on the double is > slightly more than a foot shorter than on the xtra cab. > the duc will fit.... and although it will look rather funny > with the rear all the way out at the end of the gate, as > long as it fits straight in, i'm happy. > > it's a go! Instead of the pain of loading/unloading a motorcycle into the bed of a pickup, why not buy/build a single motorcycle trailer? Much easier to load/unload the motorcycle and you can tow it with just about any car/truck out there with a hitch. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 10 09:16:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0AEGQO7013885; Fri, 10 Jan 2003 09:16:26 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0AEGQgo013875; Fri, 10 Jan 2003 09:16:26 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [208.174.116.106] From: "rich hall" To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Lane Splitting ?? Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 09:16:18 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jan 2003 14:16:18.0979 (UTC) FILETIME=[D8250730:01C2B8B2] Someone is a forest green (park ranger?)Cherokee "Booped" me w/ his sirens this morning as I was frequently changing lanes in the tunnel just outside of the Mem Bridge. I gave a friendly wave and slid over to the middle of the lane. _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 10 09:24:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0AEOUO7015083; Fri, 10 Jan 2003 09:24:30 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0AEOUQG015068; Fri, 10 Jan 2003 09:24:30 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E1ED704.E83AE8E9@tasam.com> Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 09:21:56 -0500 From: Skip Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "William J. Huson" CC: Tom Gimer , Wayne Edelen , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: cycles and tacoma double/crew cabs References: <20030110132839.43703.qmail@web41115.mail.yahoo.com> <3E1ED1B7.FEAE222F@patriot.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "William J. Huson" wrote: > > Tom Gimer wrote: > > > math was never my strong subject. the bed on the double is > > slightly more than a foot shorter than on the xtra cab. > > the duc will fit.... and although it will look rather funny > > with the rear all the way out at the end of the gate, as > > long as it fits straight in, i'm happy. > > > > it's a go! > > Very simple. Square the length and add to square of the width, then > find the square root of the sum = diagonal length available. or as the scarecrow so eloquently put it: the sum of the square of two sides of a right triangle is equal to the square of the hypotenuse From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 10 09:31:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0AEVgO7016269; Fri, 10 Jan 2003 09:31:42 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0AEVg6G016259; Fri, 10 Jan 2003 09:31:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <200301101431.QBM83925@vmms2.verisignmail.com> Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 09:31:48 -0500 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: cycles and tacoma double/crew cabs To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mirapoint Webmail Direct 2.9.3.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >"William J. Huson" wrote: >> >> Tom Gimer wrote: >> >> > math was never my strong subject. ... >> >> Very simple. Square the length and add to square of the width, then >> find the square root of the sum = diagonal length available. > >or as the scarecrow so eloquently put it: > >the sum of the square of two sides of a right triangle is equal to the >square of the hypotenuse > [Dave] ACK! The list has been invaded and taken over by MATH GEEKS ! FYI, Math Geek=someone who not only knows more about math than I do, but can articulate such in an email. Can't we PUHLEEEEZE talk about something more relaxing... brakes, chain lube, dino v. synth, tires etc... Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 10 09:32:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0AEW6O7016299; Fri, 10 Jan 2003 09:32:06 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0AEW6PI016293; Fri, 10 Jan 2003 09:32:06 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030110143202.79514.qmail@web11107.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 06:32:02 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: VA Legislation To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20030109222034.45748.qmail@web40802.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii And the officer always has the option of giving a warning. All this new law does is give the officers the ability to write out yet another ticket when they knew they wouldn't have been able to make a reckless charge stick. More laws do NOT make our society better. Proper application of existing laws and the repeal of useless, outdated, unfair or vague ones does. Chris Weaver --- Todd Withrow wrote: > With the "Failure to pay full time and attention" it > is the same. Officer discretion. This allows an > officer to distinguish between actively being > reckless > and simply having a lapse of attention. EVERYONE has > had a lapse of attention, do you think you should go > to jail for it? I prefer to have more options, I > prefer to be able to NOT slam someone who simply > screwed up, but was not malicious with their > transgression. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 10 09:42:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0AEgCO7018724; Fri, 10 Jan 2003 09:42:12 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0AEgCA8018714; Fri, 10 Jan 2003 09:42:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E1EDB2E.B1428F11@tasam.com> Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 09:39:42 -0500 From: Skip Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: OT: Lightning strike Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://lightning.pwr.eng.osaka-u.ac.jp/lrg/temp/plane.html Plane in flight gets struck From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 10 09:55:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0AEtXO7020041; Fri, 10 Jan 2003 09:55:33 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0AEtWFB020031; Fri, 10 Jan 2003 09:55:32 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [63.251.87.214] From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: OT: Lightning strike Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 09:55:25 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jan 2003 14:55:25.0321 (UTC) FILETIME=[4EAC6790:01C2B8B8] Shocking! >From: Skip Smith >To: DC Cycles >Subject: OT: Lightning strike >Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 09:39:42 -0500 > >http://lightning.pwr.eng.osaka-u.ac.jp/lrg/temp/plane.html > >Plane in flight gets struck _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8 is here: Try it free* for 2 months http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 10 10:27:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0AFRCO7021446; Fri, 10 Jan 2003 10:27:12 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0AFRC70021436; Fri, 10 Jan 2003 10:27:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030110152704.30061.qmail@web11106.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 07:27:04 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Weaver Subject: NY Post "Ride" Special Section on Web To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii http://specialsections.nypost.com/news/nypost/nypride/20030109/p43.asp Check it out. Chris Weaver __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 10 10:35:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0AFZvO7022716; Fri, 10 Jan 2003 10:35:57 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0AFZubI022705; Fri, 10 Jan 2003 10:35:56 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 10:35:53 -0500 Message-Id: <200301101035.AA192545418@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: NY Post "Ride" Special Section on Web X-Mailer: Very nice! thanks. Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Chris Weaver Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 07:27:04 -0800 (PST) >http://specialsections.nypost.com/news/nypost/nypride/20030109/p43.asp > >Check it out. > >Chris Weaver > >__________________________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. >http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 10 12:13:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0AHDjO7024418; Fri, 10 Jan 2003 12:13:45 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0AHDigM024408; Fri, 10 Jan 2003 12:13:44 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <1a6.ec73ef9.2b505937@aol.com> Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 12:13:27 EST Subject: Re: VA Legislation To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 The problem as I see it is that it is not an either/or situation. You can be charged with _both_ if the SOBs see fit. And they do like to "pad" the charges so they can plea "bargain" you out of using your constitutional right to trial. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 10 12:26:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0AHQDO7025628; Fri, 10 Jan 2003 12:26:13 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0AHQDgq025617; Fri, 10 Jan 2003 12:26:13 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E1F0378.B6B16AB@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 12:31:36 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: VA Legislation References: <1a6.ec73ef9.2b505937@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > The problem as I see it is that it is not an either/or situation. You can be > charged with _both_ if the SOBs see fit. And they do like to "pad" the > charges so they can plea "bargain" you out of using your constitutional right > to trial. > > John. > PenguinBiker@XXXXXX True. I don't see the purpose in these *new* laws. VA allready has the catch-all charge of "failure to pay full time and attention." That one is usually applied when an accident occurs, but it could be used to bang a cell phoner or brain farter. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 10 12:28:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0AHS4O7025658; Fri, 10 Jan 2003 12:28:04 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0AHS4wx025653; Fri, 10 Jan 2003 12:28:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <0b7c01c2b8c6$12caa120$7a5dfea9@mikescomputer> From: "Michael R. Cecchini" To: "DC Cycles" References: <20030110143202.79514.qmail@web11107.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: VA Legislation Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 11:33:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH LOGIN at pop016.verizon.net from [141.156.147.223] at Fri, 10 Jan 2003 11:27:54 -0600 Thank you..................thank you................thank you. Mike Cecchini ************************************************************** > From: "Chris Weaver" > More laws do NOT make our society better. Proper > application of existing laws and the repeal of > useless, outdated, unfair or vague ones does. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 10 12:33:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0AHXTO7027430; Fri, 10 Jan 2003 12:33:29 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0AHXTNe027420; Fri, 10 Jan 2003 12:33:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <148.7595d70.2b505dd6@aol.com> Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 12:33:10 EST Subject: Re: VA Legislation To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 1/10/2003 12:26:21 PM Eastern Standard Time, bhuson@XXXXXX writes: > I don't see the purpose in these *new* laws. But I covered that. > >they do like to "pad" the > > charges so they can plea "bargain" you out of using your constitutional > > right to trial. > > John (Cynical SOB) W. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 10 15:15:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0AKFEO7030258; Fri, 10 Jan 2003 15:15:14 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0AKFCIR030248; Fri, 10 Jan 2003 15:15:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030110201505.83218.qmail@web40811.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 12:15:05 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: VA Legislation To: Chris Weaver , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20030110143202.79514.qmail@web11107.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii All or nothing huh? That is fine if that is what makes you happy. Be sure to tell the next officer who pulls you over to either give you a warning, or the max charge, no waffling in between. I'll agree that more laws are not necessarily better. There are many outdated laws that need to be repealed. But I think having laws that are appropriate for the situation is nice also. Not traffic but criminal, but what do you think the charge should be for a guy who sticks a camera between the legs of a 14 year old girl in a public place and takes pictures of her crotch? Or should there not be a law for that and that action should be allowed? Todd PS, I meant to ask you, did you get a gift certificate from REI for Xmas? ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 10 15:17:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0AKHgO7031426; Fri, 10 Jan 2003 15:17:42 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0AKHgLY031418; Fri, 10 Jan 2003 15:17:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030110201734.83686.qmail@web40811.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 12:17:34 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: VA Legislation To: "William J. Huson" , PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3E1F0378.B6B16AB@patriot.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- "William J. Huson" wrote: > True. I don't see the purpose in these *new* laws. > VA allready has the > catch-all charge of "failure to pay full time and > attention." That one is > usually applied when an accident occurs, but it > could be used to bang a cell > phoner or brain farter. > > Bill > That is the problem, Virginia does not have that. That is what part of this legislation is for. In Virginia it is reckless or nothing. Fairfax County, remember, the one everyone bitches about, has that option. One is state code, one is county. ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 10 15:31:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0AKV8O7032663; Fri, 10 Jan 2003 15:31:08 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0AKV8HC032653; Fri, 10 Jan 2003 15:31:08 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <12d.1fbaea61.2b50877f@aol.com> Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 15:30:55 EST Subject: Re: VA Legislation To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 1/10/2003 3:15:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, mtwithrow@XXXXXX writes: > what do you think the > charge should be for a guy who sticks a camera between > the legs of a 14 year old girl in a public place and > takes pictures of her crotch? New technology (small video cameras in this example) justifies new laws. But that has nothing to do with constantly adding laws on top of laws to control _already_ controlled behavior or control behavior that should never have been controlled to begin with. Personally I think all laws should have expiration dates (Say 20yrs.)That way old/bad laws would not require action against the inertia of the legal system to be removed from the books. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 10 15:43:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0AKhZO7001457; Fri, 10 Jan 2003 15:43:35 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0AKhXPD001441; Fri, 10 Jan 2003 15:43:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030110204330.47905.qmail@web11107.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 12:43:30 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: VA Legislation To: Todd Withrow , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20030110201505.83218.qmail@web40811.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Todd Withrow wrote: > All or nothing huh? That is fine if that is what > makes > you happy. Be sure to tell the next officer who > pulls > you over to either give you a warning, or the max > charge, no waffling in between. Doesn't make ANY difference, Todd, and you know that as well as anyone. What happens now is that the reckless charge is given and the guilt and penalty is determined in court by the judge. The judge can dole out whatever penalties he wants up to the maximum in the law, depending on how severe he thinks the offense was. The penalty is completely negotiable with the judge, including knocking the charge down to a lesser offense. > I'll agree that more laws are not necessarily > better. > There are many outdated laws that need to be > repealed. > But I think having laws that are appropriate for the > situation is nice also. The proposed law is no more appropriate for the situation (cell phone use while driving, reading while driving, etc.) than the CURRENT law (reckless) is. They're both too vague and essentially say the same thing, and the reckless law is already on the books. > Not traffic but criminal, but what do you think the > charge should be for a guy who sticks a camera > between > the legs of a 14 year old girl in a public place and > takes pictures of her crotch? Or should there not be > a > law for that and that action should be allowed? There are plenty of laws on the books that handle that. (child pornography, contributing to the delinquency of a minor, public lewdness, etc.) What on earth does it have to do with the subject at hand? Are you going off the deep end? Chris Weaver __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 10 15:57:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0AKvkO7002699; Fri, 10 Jan 2003 15:57:46 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0AKvjOr002689; Fri, 10 Jan 2003 15:57:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <200301102057.QBN42144@vmms2.verisignmail.com> Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 15:57:14 -0500 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: VA Legislation To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mirapoint Webmail Direct 2.9.3.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id h0AKviO7002672 ToddW says: > >All or nothing huh? That is fine if that is what makes >you happy. Be sure to tell the next officer who pulls >you over to either give you a warning, or the max >charge, no waffling in between. [Dave] Oh yeah... I can just envision, some of our ... more colorful... LM's... "WHAT?! 63 in a 55 ??? Man, take that candy Ass ticket back and give me what I was really doin'!" >I'll agree that more laws are not necessarily better. >There are many outdated laws that need to be repealed. >But I think having laws that are appropriate for the >situation is nice also. [Dave] Once again, I think we're right back where we started. It's virtually impossible to drive more than 2 miles and NOT break some sort of traffic law. Given that, I just cannot conceive of how Johnny Law can't write cell phone yakkers. If I had a good faith belief that were the proposed legislation passed, that all the VA LEA's would enforce this law with the same enthusiasm & vigor that the speed limit was enforced, THEN, maybe I'd be all for it... But in reality, that won't happen. > >Not traffic but criminal, but what do you think the >charge should be for a guy who sticks a camera between >the legs of a 14 year old girl in a public place and >takes pictures of her crotch? Or should there not be a >law for that and that action should be allowed? > [Dave] I'll say: )B§ 18.2-374.1. Production, publication, sale, possession with intent to distribute, financing, etc., of sexually explicit items involving children; presumption as to age; severability. And, if by chance there wasn't sufficient 'cause for arrest', then perhaps, )B§ 18.2-388. Profane swearing and intoxication in public; penalty; transportation of public inebriates to detoxification center. or )B§ 18.2-322. Expectorating in public places. or anything that could be used to get said peeper into a lockup for a few days. At said lockup, hopefully, the jailers would loudly proclaim the peepers misdeeds to the other prisoners... just my $ .02... Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 10 17:40:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0AMeIO7004529; Fri, 10 Jan 2003 17:40:18 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0AMeFGP004514; Fri, 10 Jan 2003 17:40:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030110224006.30092.qmail@web13901.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 14:40:06 -0800 (PST) From: Larry Larson Subject: OT: DSL report To: DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <0b7c01c2b8c6$12caa120$7a5dfea9@mikescomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >From a discussion a few months ago, for anyone who might be interested: Since I had dumped Verizon a year ago, and wasn't happy with the pppoe Earthlink service I've had since (slowest mail and news servers in the universe, plus the dhcp aspect)... I ordered a Covad adsl line, their "TeleSOHO" package, back in November. 1536/384, five static IPs, 15 pops, domain hosting included, $199 initial fee (includes a ZyXel four-port DSL router), $79/month. After a few self-installation burps, including three out of four of their support people (in Nova Scotia, of all places!) not having a clue as to how their pseudo-static pppoe is implemented, and what sw I did or did not need to install, I got it working in under two days. I kept both Earthlink and Covad services for December, and compared the two, then dumped Earthlink last week. The Covad system works great. Not a single Covad router lockup in the month, and the speeds are as advertised. (The Earthlink router died about every three days during the past year , usually during evening use, necessitating a reset and thus a new dhcp address. The service was also much slower, at 728/90.) Covad offered the best price/performance ratio I could found, and is highly recommended. OB bike: Had to get the 919 inspected today, which crimped my riding a bit -- nice day, just not as good as yesterday. Had the inspection done at Heinz Kestermann's foreign car service shop in the north end of Old Town Alexandria; as usual, five minutes, five bucks, and on my way. Regards, Larry __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 10 17:43:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0AMhpO7004568; Fri, 10 Jan 2003 17:43:51 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0AMhpNg004558; Fri, 10 Jan 2003 17:43:51 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030110224349.28788.qmail@web13904.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 14:43:49 -0800 (PST) From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: VA Legislation To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20030110201505.83218.qmail@web40811.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Todd Withrow wrote: > ... what do you think the > charge should be for a guy who sticks a camera > between > the legs of a 14 year old girl in a public place and > takes pictures of her crotch? Don't think any charges should be necessary after the others in that public place get through with him, eh? -- Larry __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 10 17:59:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0AMx6O7006933; Fri, 10 Jan 2003 17:59:06 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0AMx6O1006923; Fri, 10 Jan 2003 17:59:06 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030110225859.5555.qmail@web41111.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 14:58:59 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: VA Legislation To: Todd Withrow , Chris Weaver , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20030110201505.83218.qmail@web40811.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Todd Withrow wrote: > what do you think the > charge should be for a guy who sticks a camera between > the legs of a 14 year old girl in a public place and > takes pictures of her crotch? i'd say at most $10 for the pics. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 10 18:44:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0ANiMO7008348; Fri, 10 Jan 2003 18:44:22 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0ANiJ6B008333; Fri, 10 Jan 2003 18:44:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.0.20030110174512.00a0e130@mail.mac.com> X-Sender: eternity23@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 17:45:40 -0600 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Re: VA Legislation In-Reply-To: <20030110225859.5555.qmail@web41111.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030110201505.83218.qmail@web40811.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > what do you think the > > charge should be for a guy who sticks a camera between > > the legs of a 14 year old girl in a public place and > > takes pictures of her crotch? > >i'd say at most $10 for the pics. ROTFLMAO!!!!!! Now THAT is funny! -Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 10 18:44:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0ANimO7008375; Fri, 10 Jan 2003 18:44:48 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0ANimMX008371; Fri, 10 Jan 2003 18:44:48 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 18:44:24 -0500 From: Randy Moran Subject: Re: VA Legislation In-reply-to: <20030110225859.5555.qmail@web41111.mail.yahoo.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <7325DCE6-24F5-11D7-BCA0-000393ADC3E6@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT LOL! That is vintage Gimer, and yet another reason to subscribe to this list. RPM On Friday, January 10, 2003, at 05:58 PM, Tom Gimer wrote: > --- Todd Withrow wrote: > >> what do you think the >> charge should be for a guy who sticks a camera between >> the legs of a 14 year old girl in a public place and >> takes pictures of her crotch? > > i'd say at most $10 for the pics. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jan 12 10:07:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0CF7fO7004375; Sun, 12 Jan 2003 10:07:41 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0CF7cHP004355; Sun, 12 Jan 2003 10:07:38 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030112150701.80511.qmail@web40808.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 07:07:01 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: VA Legislation To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <12d.1fbaea61.2b50877f@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > Personally I think all laws should have expiration > dates (Say 20yrs.)That way > old/bad laws would not require action against the > inertia of the legal system > to be removed from the books. > I like that idea. Some of our "decency" laws are ridiculous and only enforced by a very few. I don't think blowjobs should be illegal. The problem is that no legislator wants to recommend repealing it because he will be seen as encouraging immoral behaviour by the bible thumpers. Two Va. Beach police officers, who were dating and living together were fired for violating the "unlawful cohabitation" law. That law is stupid, bo no legislator will remove it. Start a petition to put expiration dates on laws, I'll sign it. ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jan 12 10:16:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0CFGlO7005554; Sun, 12 Jan 2003 10:16:47 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0CFGlxm005542; Sun, 12 Jan 2003 10:16:47 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030112151640.86051.qmail@web40809.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 07:16:40 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: VA Legislation To: Chris Weaver , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20030110204330.47905.qmail@web11107.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Chris Weaver wrote: > Doesn't make ANY difference, Todd, and you know that > as well as anyone. What happens now is that the > reckless charge is given and the guilt and penalty > is > determined in court by the judge. The judge can dole > out whatever penalties he wants up to the maximum in > the law, depending on how severe he thinks the > offense > was. The penalty is completely negotiable with the > judge, including knocking the charge down to a > lesser > offense. > I would rather charge for the appropriate offense from the beginning than charge a higher offense and hope the judge lowers it. That is my personal morality. If you have not committed a major infraction, I do not think I should hit you with a major ticket. Reckless and inattentive are two different things, I like having the ability to distinguish between the two. Unfortunately state troopers do not have that ability by state code. > > takes pictures of her crotch? Or should there not > be > > a > > law for that and that action should be allowed? > > There are plenty of laws on the books that handle > that. (child pornography, contributing to the > delinquency of a minor, public lewdness, etc.) What > on > earth does it have to do with the subject at hand? > Are > you going off the deep end? > > Chris Weaver > Going off the deep end? No. But I sure was pissed off when I found out that I had to let that shitbag go. Fortunately for me, I had not technically placed him under arrest yet. Otherwise I might be in Federal court for violating is civil rights. He agreed to accompany me back to the station to be interviewed by a detective. But his act was not illegal by current law. That was my point, that sometimes new laws are needed that are appropriate for the situation. ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jan 12 10:20:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0CFKGO7006711; Sun, 12 Jan 2003 10:20:16 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0CFKF1g006703; Sun, 12 Jan 2003 10:20:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030112152008.83655.qmail@web40803.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 07:20:08 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: VA Legislation To: Dave Yates , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <200301102057.QBN42144@vmms2.verisignmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Dave Yates wrote: > ToddW says: > > > >Not traffic but criminal, but what do you think the > >charge should be for a guy who sticks a camera > between > >the legs of a 14 year old girl in a public place > and > >takes pictures of her crotch? Or should there not > be a > >law for that and that action should be allowed? > > > > [Dave] I'll say: > > )B§ 18.2-374.1. Production, publication, sale, > possession with > intent to distribute, financing, etc., of sexually > explicit > items involving children; presumption as to age; > severability. > Nope. I had to let him walk. Upskirting is not illegal in Virginia, regardless of age. The Virginia court of appeals stated that you have no reasonable expectation of privacy while in a public place. ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jan 12 10:24:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0CFOcO7007334; Sun, 12 Jan 2003 10:24:38 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0CFObNS007324; Sun, 12 Jan 2003 10:24:37 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030112152430.77422.qmail@web40802.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 07:24:30 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: VA Legislation To: Larry Larson , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20030110224349.28788.qmail@web13904.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Larry Larson wrote: > --- Todd Withrow wrote: > > ... what do you think the > > charge should be for a guy who sticks a camera > > between > > the legs of a 14 year old girl in a public place > and > > takes pictures of her crotch? > > Don't think any charges should be necessary after > the > others in that public place get through with him, > eh? > > -- Larry > Well, when this happened a few years ago, the boyfriend beat him silly at the scene. The CA showed some common sense and did not pursue charges against the B/F. The shit bag won on appeal. In my case, I had to let the shitbag walk based on the what the Court of Appeals stated about no reasonable expectation of privacy in a public place. Were I not the consumate professional, I would forward said shitbags name and address to the 14 year olds father. *SIGH* I try to do what is "right", but sometimes right and legal conflict. ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jan 12 10:29:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0CFT8O7009035; Sun, 12 Jan 2003 10:29:08 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0CFT7K4009026; Sun, 12 Jan 2003 10:29:07 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <4b.2937f3c9.2b52e3ba@aol.com> Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 10:28:58 EST Subject: Re: VA Legislation To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 1/12/2003 10:07:12 AM Eastern Standard Time, mtwithrow@XXXXXX writes: > I like that idea. Some of our "decency" laws are > ridiculous and only enforced by a very few. You get it! In addition to the admittedly very few who are charged with this kind of bullshit are the _millions_ who are affected by it. The divorced person who has to fear having his/her children taken from them. Those who have to worry about losing their jobs, AKA your cop example. As someone stated, you cannot drive/ride 2 miles without braking some law or the other. We, by allowing _them_ to create such bullshit, have created a nation of criminals, we ALL could be charged with breaking some law or the other. The result is people refuse, or worse cannot, call the cops for help or _to_ help. Those who figure "Hell I am a criminal anyhow, I might as well...) And by far the worst is a complete distrust and fear of the police who are here to protect us, our first reaction to seeing a cop is "How fast am I going?" or "What did I do?" instead of feeling safe we feel threatened. All because of bullshit laws that should never have been on the books anyhow. And layer on layer of laws so we can be charged with multiple violations for any crime we are suspected of. It needs to be changed, it will not be. Yea I could run for office, but if I can piss you folks off imagine what I could do to the average citizen. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jan 12 10:31:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0CFVqO7009665; Sun, 12 Jan 2003 10:31:52 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0CFVqsr009655; Sun, 12 Jan 2003 10:31:52 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <11.714d904.2b52e45f@aol.com> Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 10:31:43 EST Subject: Re: VA Legislation To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 1/12/2003 10:24:53 AM Eastern Standard Time, mtwithrow@XXXXXX writes: > sometimes right and legal conflict. Damn straight! John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jan 12 10:35:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0CFZqO7011365; Sun, 12 Jan 2003 10:35:52 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0CFZqDA011357; Sun, 12 Jan 2003 10:35:52 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E218C96.ED09BB1D@patriot.net> Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 10:41:10 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Todd Withrow CC: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: VA Legislation References: <20030112150701.80511.qmail@web40808.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Todd Withrow wrote: > I like that idea. Some of our "decency" laws are > ridiculous and only enforced by a very few. I don't > think blowjobs should be illegal. The problem is that > no legislator wants to recommend repealing it because > he will be seen as encouraging immoral behaviour by > the bible thumpers. > > Two Va. Beach police officers, who were dating and > living together were fired for violating the "unlawful > cohabitation" law. That law is stupid, bo no > legislator will remove it. > ACK! Don't get me started on the silly VA sex laws. To paraphrase an old Playboy (~70s) sex survay by state wherein silly laws were listed, Playboy summed up VA by saying, "Too many to list. Suffice to say that if you fall out of bed while making love you'll break approximately fourteen VA laws before you land on the floor." My suggestion is that for every new law passed, legislators should be required to trash two old laws. And every legislator should be issued a copy of Strunk & Whites "Elements of Style" and required to restrict said law to one page, Times New Roman 12 point, double spaced. Imagine, the entire motor vehicle statutes issued in a 20 page phamphlet! Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jan 12 10:55:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0CFtnO7012579; Sun, 12 Jan 2003 10:55:49 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0CFtmgK012569; Sun, 12 Jan 2003 10:55:48 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030112155541.64119.qmail@web41101.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 07:55:41 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: cycles and tacoma double/crew cabs To: Wayne Edelen , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii i've already got a nice single-rail trailer. if you have any recommendations as to how i can haul a cord of firewood, furniture, junk headed to the dump, or other large/bulky/nasty items on it, i'm all ears.... ;) --- Wayne Edelen wrote: > On Fri, 10 Jan 2003, Tom Gimer wrote: > > > math was never my strong subject. the bed on the > double is > > slightly more than a foot shorter than on the xtra cab. > > the duc will fit.... and although it will look rather > funny > > with the rear all the way out at the end of the gate, > as > > long as it fits straight in, i'm happy. > > > > it's a go! > > Instead of the pain of loading/unloading a motorcycle > into the bed of a > pickup, why not buy/build a single motorcycle trailer? > Much easier to > load/unload the motorcycle and you can tow it with just > about any > car/truck out there with a hitch. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jan 12 11:05:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0CG5SO7013777; Sun, 12 Jan 2003 11:05:28 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0CG5RJ6013762; Sun, 12 Jan 2003 11:05:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 11:15:48 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: cycles and tacoma double/crew cabs In-Reply-To: <20030112155541.64119.qmail@web41101.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 12 Jan 2003, Tom Gimer wrote: > i've already got a nice single-rail trailer. > > if you have any recommendations as to how i can haul a cord > of firewood, furniture, junk headed to the dump, or other > large/bulky/nasty items on it, i'm all ears.... ;) You can use a receiver basket to carry your nasty stuff. I have a large SUV and I don't like carrying nasty stuff inside, so I use one. http://www.performanceproducts.com/ProductPage.aspx?ProductName=Hidden+Hitch+Basket+Carrier&productid=103274&producttype=20 -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jan 12 12:55:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0CHtgO7015327; Sun, 12 Jan 2003 12:55:42 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0CHtdTd015317; Sun, 12 Jan 2003 12:55:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030112175536.22721.qmail@web20708.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 09:55:36 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: getting 3 bikes to Wisconsin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I've moving this week and am trying to figure out the best way to haul the bikes 800 miles and what size truck to use. Sadly I don't own a transporter (which has convenient tie-downs) or a tow vehicle and it doesn't look like these sort of setups can be rented privately or commercially even if I can do a round-trip commitment. My only option appears to be U-haul. I need to move 1 room's worth of furniture (desk, book case, dresser, small audio cabinet) and 2 metal shelves worth of motorcycle bits and pieces and oh 10 3-cube boxes. I was hoping it would all fit in a 14ft truck but purhaps not. I may be leaving my ZR-7 behind for the timebeing and use that to ride to Georgia or Orlando for 5 days for Harley's Rider-Edge training program. Speaking of which does anyone know of a more local class to the DC (or Chicago) region? With RiderEdge up in Kenosha at least they pay $25/hr and the classes are 26 hours long. I do have to wonder though what the 5 days spent in GE/FL is all about except indoctrination in the infalibility of The Motor Company because it's over and above MSF instructor certification. Can anyone comment? __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jan 12 12:58:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0CHwMO7015375; Sun, 12 Jan 2003 12:58:22 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0CHwMSe015360; Sun, 12 Jan 2003 12:58:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030112175816.48430.qmail@web40807.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 09:58:16 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: VA Legislation To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <4b.2937f3c9.2b52e3ba@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 1/12/2003 10:07:12 AM Eastern > Standard Time, > mtwithrow@XXXXXX writes: > > > I like that idea. Some of our "decency" laws are > > ridiculous and only enforced by a very few. > > You get it! Of course I get it. I realize you guys think every LEO is a brain washed Nazi automaton, but that only applies to State Troopers. ;^) ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jan 12 13:29:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0CITMO7017857; Sun, 12 Jan 2003 13:29:22 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0CITLei017847; Sun, 12 Jan 2003 13:29:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E21B416.493D6CCD@verizon.net> Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 13:29:42 -0500 From: "Steven C. Di Pietro" Organization: The Suzuki Owners Club - U.S.A. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.8 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Todd Withrow , DCCycles Subject: Re: VA Legislation References: <20030112152008.83655.qmail@web40803.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH PLAIN at pop015.verizon.net from [141.157.125.104] at Sun, 12 Jan 2003 12:29:11 -0600 Todd Withrow wrote: > > ToddW says: > > > > > >Not traffic but criminal, but what do you think > the > > >charge should be for a guy who sticks a camera > > between > > >the legs of a 14 year old girl in a public place > > and > > >takes pictures of her crotch? Or should there not > > be a > > >law for that and that action should be allowed? > > > Nope. I had to let him walk. Upskirting is not illegal > in Virginia, regardless of age. The Virginia court of > appeals stated that you have no reasonable expectation > of privacy while in a public place. > Todd, Ya' couldn't bust the perv on assault charges? How 'bout passing along the "Chester's" home address so we can arrange a visit in order to "Talk" some sense into his head? Steve From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jan 12 13:29:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0CITMO7017858; Sun, 12 Jan 2003 13:29:22 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0CITLa5017835; Sun, 12 Jan 2003 13:29:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E21B546.5425A7A7@patriot.net> Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 13:34:46 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: matthew patton CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: getting 3 bikes to Wisconsin References: <20030112175536.22721.qmail@web20708.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit matthew patton wrote: > I've moving this week and am trying to figure out the best way to haul > the bikes 800 miles and what size truck to use. Sadly I don't own a > transporter (which has convenient tie-downs) or a tow vehicle and it > doesn't look like these sort of setups can be rented privately or > commercially even if I can do a round-trip commitment. My only option > appears to be U-haul. I need to move 1 room's worth of furniture (desk, > book case, dresser, small audio cabinet) and 2 metal shelves worth of > motorcycle bits and pieces and oh 10 3-cube boxes. I was hoping it > would all fit in a 14ft truck but purhaps not. Check the box width. My friend brought his Honda back crossways in the truck, so figure a 3 bike stack would take up 6' of bed length? > > I may be leaving my ZR-7 behind for the timebeing and use that to ride > to Georgia or Orlando for 5 days for Harley's Rider-Edge training > program. Speaking of which does anyone know of a more local class to > the DC (or Chicago) region? With RiderEdge up in Kenosha at least they > pay $25/hr and the classes are 26 hours long. I do have to wonder > though what the 5 days spent in GE/FL is all about except > indoctrination in the infalibility of The Motor Company because it's > over and above MSF instructor certification. Can anyone comment? 5 days - reasonable. My MSf class was 3 weekends or something like that, probablky more'n 26 hours total. Figure H-D will have a few rah-rah sessions because you will be a cheerleader for The Motor Company. It *is* their program, and you said they're paying you. MSF charged me for the instructors course. Sheesh, free motel and a fistful of cash works fer me -- but then I'm a `ho :-) Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jan 12 13:32:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0CIWAO7020183; Sun, 12 Jan 2003 13:32:10 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0CIWAge020177; Sun, 12 Jan 2003 13:32:10 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E21B4BE.4D2597CE@verizon.net> Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 13:32:30 -0500 From: "Steven C. Di Pietro" Organization: The Suzuki Owners Club - U.S.A. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.8 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Todd Withrow , DCCycles Subject: Re: VA Legislation References: <20030112152008.83655.qmail@web40803.mail.yahoo.com> <3E21B416.493D6CCD@verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH PLAIN at pop017.verizon.net from [141.157.125.104] at Sun, 12 Jan 2003 12:32:00 -0600 "Steven C. Di Pietro" wrote: > Todd Withrow wrote: > > > > ToddW says: > > > > > > > >Not traffic but criminal, but what do you think > > the > > > >charge should be for a guy who sticks a camera > > > between > > > >the legs of a 14 year old girl in a public place > > > and > > > >takes pictures of her crotch? Or should there not > > > be a > > > >law for that and that action should be allowed? > > > > > > Nope. I had to let him walk. Upskirting is not illegal > > in Virginia, regardless of age. The Virginia court of > > appeals stated that you have no reasonable expectation > > of privacy while in a public place. > > > > Todd, > Ya' couldn't bust the perv on assault charges? How 'bout passing along the > "Chester's" home address so we can arrange a visit in order to "Talk" some sense into his > head? > > Steve Oops, looks like I jumped the gun. The Perv mighta' reformed. Steve From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jan 12 13:42:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0CIguO7021409; Sun, 12 Jan 2003 13:42:56 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0CIguYe021394; Sun, 12 Jan 2003 13:42:56 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030112184248.2152.qmail@web20701.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 10:42:48 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: getting 3 bikes to Wisconsin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii bill wrote: > 5 days - reasonable. My MSf class was 3 weekends or something like > that, probablky more'n 26 hours total. Figure H-D will have a few > rah-rah sessions because you will be a cheerleader for The Motor > Company. It *is* their program, and you said they're paying you. MSF > charged me for the instructors course. Sheesh, free motel and a fistful > of cash works I'm sorry I wasn't clear. The instructor training (done in GE/FL) is totally my problem, both course fees (if any) and all lodging and transport. The $25/hr is what I get paid when I am TEACHING under the aegis of RidersEdge at the kenosha site. At first blush it would take me at least 1 class to recoup my training expenses. I also think the HD's rider training program being spread out over 5 days is highly inefficient. Guess the RUBs can just take off early for work thursday, friday and monday evenings. They also don't run more than 12 students per class and hadn't heard about the MSF doubles scenario. Wierd... I'm not at all against vendors takinga big hand in rider education - Honda et. al. could do a lot more I think. But then again HD is about the "experience" so even the training has be an indoctrination into the HD way of doing things, too I guess. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jan 12 13:44:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0CIiLO7022020; Sun, 12 Jan 2003 13:44:21 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0CIiL2J022010; Sun, 12 Jan 2003 13:44:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030112184413.69162.qmail@web41104.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 10:44:13 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: getting 3 bikes to Wisconsin To: "William J. Huson" , matthew patton Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3E21B546.5425A7A7@patriot.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- "William J. Huson" wrote: > matthew patton wrote: > > > I've moving this week and am trying to figure out the > best way to haul > > the bikes 800 miles and what size truck to use. Sadly I > don't own a > > transporter (which has convenient tie-downs) or a tow > vehicle and it > > doesn't look like these sort of setups can be rented > privately or > > commercially even if I can do a round-trip commitment. > My only option > > appears to be U-haul. I need to move 1 room's worth of > furniture (desk, > > book case, dresser, small audio cabinet) and 2 metal > shelves worth of > > motorcycle bits and pieces and oh 10 3-cube boxes. I > was hoping it > > would all fit in a 14ft truck but purhaps not. > > Check the box width. My friend brought his Honda back > crossways in the > truck, so figure a 3 bike stack would take up 6' of bed > length? bill is right.... this is the way to haul when box trucking multiple bikes. brought two bikes home from florida cross-ways with a ryder. took a little while to get 'em in, but once they were in they were stable and took up very little space. your only concern then would be securing everything else so that it wouldn't damage the bikes during the "settling" that occurs in transit. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jan 12 14:48:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0CJmxO7024124; Sun, 12 Jan 2003 14:48:59 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0CJmvNQ024114; Sun, 12 Jan 2003 14:48:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030112194851.30866.qmail@web40811.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 11:48:51 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: VA Legislation To: "Steven C. Di Pietro" , DCCycles In-Reply-To: <3E21B416.493D6CCD@verizon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- "Steven C. Di Pietro" > Todd, > Ya' couldn't bust the perv on assault > charges? How 'bout passing along the > "Chester's" home address so we can arrange a visit > in order to "Talk" some sense into his > head? > > > Steve > > Nope, there was no assault involved. Had he not cooperated and gone to the station with me voluntarily, I would locked him up on "Disturbing the Peace". The witness was very upset and "Disturbed" by his conduct. That would have about the best I could articulate to a magistrate. I was really ticked that he got off. I KNOW the sleaze has kiddy porn on his computer at home, and this is not the first time he has done this. He was WAY to slick with the whole thing. After getting the pics, he removed the batteries from the camera, so he could claim the camera did not even work. My only hope is that his wife kicked his ass when they got home. They were there as a couple, he would take his pics while she was looking at arts and crafts. Keep this in mind next time you send your kids off to the county fair. ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jan 12 17:11:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0CMBhO7025938; Sun, 12 Jan 2003 17:11:43 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0CMBcUA025923; Sun, 12 Jan 2003 17:11:38 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030112221136.69085.qmail@web20710.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 14:11:36 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: maps looking for a new home To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I have ADC county maps for charles (MD), VA peninsula, fauquier, stafford, and loudoun counties in essentially new condition. rather useful in finding those local scenic and twisty byways for push-and-gas powered bikes. I also have a "northern virginia" one that is intact but a bit dog-eared. I have tri-fold maps for MD and VA as well fwiw. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 13 07:57:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0DCvvO7002144; Mon, 13 Jan 2003 07:57:57 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0DCvulJ002134; Mon, 13 Jan 2003 07:57:56 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <01af01c2bb04$0d6cc290$332ea8c0@LHS> From: "Danny Thompson" To: "D.C. Cycles" References: <20030112175536.22721.qmail@web20708.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: getting 3 bikes to Wisconsin Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 08:02:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Matt, If you would like to borrow my trailer, you are welcome to it. It will hold 3 bikes, snuggly (It is set up with chocks for 2 bikes, but 3 will fit.) Let me know. Danny ----- Original Message ----- From: "matthew patton" To: <> Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2003 12:55 PM Subject: getting 3 bikes to Wisconsin > I've moving this week and am trying to figure out the best way to haul > the bikes 800 miles and what size truck to use. Sadly I don't own a > transporter (which has convenient tie-downs) or a tow vehicle and it > doesn't look like these sort of setups can be rented privately or > commercially even if I can do a round-trip commitment. My only option > appears to be U-haul. I need to move 1 room's worth of furniture (desk, > book case, dresser, small audio cabinet) and 2 metal shelves worth of > motorcycle bits and pieces and oh 10 3-cube boxes. I was hoping it > would all fit in a 14ft truck but purhaps not. > > I may be leaving my ZR-7 behind for the timebeing and use that to ride > to Georgia or Orlando for 5 days for Harley's Rider-Edge training > program. Speaking of which does anyone know of a more local class to > the DC (or Chicago) region? With RiderEdge up in Kenosha at least they > pay $25/hr and the classes are 26 hours long. I do have to wonder > though what the 5 days spent in GE/FL is all about except > indoctrination in the infalibility of The Motor Company because it's > over and above MSF instructor certification. Can anyone comment? > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 13 09:32:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0DEW5O7003766; Mon, 13 Jan 2003 09:32:05 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0DEW4kM003756; Mon, 13 Jan 2003 09:32:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <200301131431.QBP34134@vmms2.verisignmail.com> Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 09:32:10 -0500 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: VA Legislation To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mirapoint Webmail Direct 2.9.3.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ToddW Opined: >> > I like that idea. Some of our "decency" laws are >> > ridiculous and only enforced by a very few. >> >> You get it! > > >Of course I get it. I realize you guys think every LEO >is a brain washed Nazi automaton, but that only >applies to State Troopers. ;^) [Dave] No, no, no... It's Jack- Booted-Thug, not Nazi Automaton! (and btw, my sister in law is a fed, and she does have jack boots!). And if you think OUR state troopers are bad, for a shocking look try New Jersey. I took a class from a New Jersey (non state trooper) police officer. It was his assertion (I didn't verify this) that NJ will not allow LE from adjoining states to 'carry' in NJ, effectively disarming them, and creating a fleeing felon's paradise. As I understand from him, a couple of Philadelphia cops were actually arrested in NJ for pursuing someone into NJ. They were booked, spent the night & rendered back to Philadelphia the next day... I still say - yak on a cell phone, write them for reckless ! Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 13 13:16:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0DIG8O7006022; Mon, 13 Jan 2003 13:16:08 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0DIG53T006012; Mon, 13 Jan 2003 13:16:05 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <1e.72f3fbc.2b545c5d@aol.com> Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 13:15:57 EST Subject: Re: VA Legislation To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 1/12/2003 12:58:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, mtwithrow@XXXXXX writes: > Of course I get it. I realize you guys think every LEO > is a brain washed Nazi automaton, Please do not get me wrong, I think nothing of the kind. I know for a fact that there are many decent, capable, honest officers in every branch of the police forces. I have met and interacted with many of them. BUT I have also met many nasty, abusive, moronic cops, and knowing they are out there means I must for self protection assume, at least for the start, that any cop I encounter is a bad one. It is an unfortunate situation. As this applies to the bad laws thread, even a good honest cop, can for whatever reason, enforce a bad law. My point was that too many laws mixed with some bad laws have resulted in a 100% criminal population no mater how hard they try to obey the laws. So to protect itself the population in general will avoid interaction with cops. It hurts the cops, it hurts the population. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 13 13:23:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0DINDO7007236; Mon, 13 Jan 2003 13:23:13 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0DINCg2007223; Mon, 13 Jan 2003 13:23:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: "Stephen D" Subject: FS: Dunlop front Tire: K505 110/80-17 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro Web Mailer v.4.0.1 Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 13:21:54 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Was on a Hawk GT. I run an F2 front rim now, so I don't need this tire any more. No cracks anywhere. Never repaired. Bias ply, so if you're running a rear radial, you don't want it! Still round has the nobby bits left on about the outer 1" of the tire. Tread depth: ~5mm at the center. Here are a couple of pictures that show the tire is round, has nobby bits and tons of tread, and generally looks great: http://209.190.254.30/pictures/images/K505_110-80-17/114-1411_IMG.JPG Tough to read, but it is: DOT ETLO NAJ448 5221 http://209.190.254.30/pictures/images/K505_110-80-17/114-1414_IMG.JPG Here are some applications (though don't quote me): Honda NT650 Hawk GT CB500 CBR750F CBR1000F [Spec for a 'V' rated tire (149 mph), but this 'H' rated tire (130 mph) will take you to most of the arrestable speeds just as well] Suzuki GSX-750F GSX-400F Bandit Best offer. Cash (or trade) & Carry. Please email me off-list if you're interested. Stephen From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 13 13:31:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0DIVQO7008443; Mon, 13 Jan 2003 13:31:26 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0DIVQmU008433; Mon, 13 Jan 2003 13:31:26 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <86.248e5cb1.2b545feb@aol.com> Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 13:31:07 EST Subject: Re: VA Legislation To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 1/13/2003 9:35:30 AM Eastern Standard Time, skip@XXXXXX writes: > I think the average citizen would listen to reason. they're not *all* > sheeple... they can't be. Well lets see. My opinions on religion will piss off at least 50% My opinions on drugs will piss off at least 40% Prostitution (Lived in NV) another 40 or 50% Traffic laws 25 or 30% Get the idea? Without working at it I come up with about 155 to 170% of the voters against me. One need only look at who gets elected to see just how many people are sheeple. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 13 14:28:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0DJSXO7010435; Mon, 13 Jan 2003 14:28:33 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0DJSWKe010425; Mon, 13 Jan 2003 14:28:32 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E2314A4.10414F1D@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 14:33:56 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: VA Legislation References: <86.248e5cb1.2b545feb@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > Well lets see. > My opinions on religion will piss off at least 50% > My opinions on drugs will piss off at least 40% > Prostitution (Lived in NV) another 40 or 50% > Traffic laws 25 or 30% > Get the idea? Without working at it I come up with about 155 to 170% of the > voters against me. > One need only look at who gets elected to see just how many people are > sheeple. > > John. > PenguinBiker@XXXXXX heh heh, ditto fer me, and ... Add my opinion in favor of women's choice to piss off another 50% more'n 200% voting against me! Bill fer Prez! Let the outspoken roar and the sheeple be nervous! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 13 15:08:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0DK8ZO7011785; Mon, 13 Jan 2003 15:08:35 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0DK8Z8i011775; Mon, 13 Jan 2003 15:08:35 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E231C06.BCA114CE@tasam.com> Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 15:05:26 -0500 From: Skip Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "William J. Huson" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: VA Legislation References: <86.248e5cb1.2b545feb@aol.com> <3E2314A4.10414F1D@patriot.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "William J. Huson" wrote: > > PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > > > Well lets see. > > My opinions on religion will piss off at least 50% > > My opinions on drugs will piss off at least 40% > > Prostitution (Lived in NV) another 40 or 50% > > Traffic laws 25 or 30% > > Get the idea? Without working at it I come up with about 155 to 170% of the > > voters against me. > > One need only look at who gets elected to see just how many people are > > sheeple. > > > > John. > > PenguinBiker@XXXXXX > > heh heh, ditto fer me, and ... > Add my opinion in favor of women's choice to piss off another 50% > more'n 200% voting against me! > > Bill fer Prez! Let the outspoken roar and the sheeple be nervous! ya see, that's what I'm talkin' about... I think that most people have a decent head, they just haven'thad the chance to use them for a while... it might be time to go out and piss some peopleoff. if it does nothing but raise the attention of the blind, boring folks, well, then the effort is worth it... right? right? hmmm. Skip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 13 15:36:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0DKaxO7013108; Mon, 13 Jan 2003 15:36:59 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0DKawF7013098; Mon, 13 Jan 2003 15:36:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030113203651.12720.qmail@web40801.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 12:36:51 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: VA Legislation To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <1e.72f3fbc.2b545c5d@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 1/12/2003 12:58:39 PM Eastern > Standard Time, >> BUT I have also met many nasty, abusive, moronic > cops, and knowing they are > out there means I must for self protection assume, > at least for the start, > that any cop I encounter is a bad one. Bad idea, IMHO. Treat a good cop poorly, and you are less likely to get a break he was otherwise inclined to give you. Would you like all officers to assume that riders are hooligans that have committed atrocious traffic violations and treat them as such?? ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 13 15:46:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0DKkQO7014327; Mon, 13 Jan 2003 15:46:26 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0DKkOwU014317; Mon, 13 Jan 2003 15:46:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <019a01c2bb3d$498669a0$7a5dfea9@mikescomputer> From: "Michael R. Cecchini" To: "DC Cycles" References: <20030113203651.12720.qmail@web40801.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: VA Legislation Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 14:52:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH LOGIN at pop017.verizon.net from [141.156.151.6] at Mon, 13 Jan 2003 14:46:15 -0600 Problem(s) #1. Find a good cop. #2. Haven't been given a "break" in 20+ yrs. #3. They already do. MC ********************************************** > 1. Treat a good cop poorly, > 2. ......and you are less likely to get a break he was otherwise inclined > to give you. > 3. Would you like all officers to assume that riders are hooligans that have committed > atrocious traffic violations and treat them as such?? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 13 16:12:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0DLC8O7015677; Mon, 13 Jan 2003 16:12:08 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0DLC7L4015667; Mon, 13 Jan 2003 16:12:07 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030113211159.70953.qmail@web14001.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 13:11:59 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: cycles and tacoma double/crew cabs To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20030112155541.64119.qmail@web41101.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii How about a big wooden box with a 2 by 4 underneath it running down the center so it sits in the rail? A couple of your bike tiedowns ought to hold it in place. If you wanted to haul that other stuff, you probably should have gotten that kind of trailer to begin with. Leon. --- Tom Gimer wrote: > i've already got a nice single-rail trailer. > > if you have any recommendations as to how i can haul > a cord > of firewood, furniture, junk headed to the dump, or > other > large/bulky/nasty items on it, i'm all ears.... ;) > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 13 16:13:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0DLDiO7016295; Mon, 13 Jan 2003 16:13:44 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0DLDhi1016288; Mon, 13 Jan 2003 16:13:43 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E232D4B.E3D8F88A@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 16:19:08 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Todd Withrow CC: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: VA Legislation References: <20030113203651.12720.qmail@web40801.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Todd Withrow wrote: > Bad idea, IMHO. Treat a good cop poorly, and you are > less likely to get a break he was otherwise inclined > to give you. Would you like all officers to assume > that riders are hooligans that have committed > atrocious traffic violations and treat them as such?? > I agree. I assume the occifer is doing his/her job until they prove otherwise, and then I still try to control my wicked tongue. The only time I smart-assed a cop I wound up being an *outlaw* in NC - not permitted to drive in the state without filing SR-22 insurance, even though I had zero accidents. Cops have given me breaks. A VA state trooper pulled me for reckless - smoking the tires on my Z-28, nad after dissing me for not acting my age - 40 sumpin - he let me slide. And two motorcops stopped me for violating a whole raft of traffic laws on my Suzuki GS550E - reckless, speeding, hooligan riding etc etc... They looked the bike over, looked at the pile of miles on the OD, gave me an ass-burn lecture, and let me my groveling repentant butt go. Overall, cops have scored way more good service points for me than bad vibes. Course, I avoid PG county :-) Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 13 16:18:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0DLIcO7017482; Mon, 13 Jan 2003 16:18:38 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0DLIcU0017472; Mon, 13 Jan 2003 16:18:38 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E232E73.B50004CB@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 16:24:03 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Leon Begeman CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: cycles and tacoma double/crew cabs References: <20030113211159.70953.qmail@web14001.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Leon Begeman wrote: > How about a big wooden box with a 2 by 4 underneath it > running down the center so it sits in the rail? A > couple of your bike tiedowns ought to hold it in > place. > > If you wanted to haul that other stuff, you probably > should have gotten that kind of trailer to begin with. Yeah, my scoot trailer is a flatbed, muti-purpose. It's last duty was packing hay bales on it and carting the nieghborhood rug rats around the `hood for a Halloween Hayride. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 13 16:28:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0DLSiO7019319; Mon, 13 Jan 2003 16:28:44 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0DLShBs019309; Mon, 13 Jan 2003 16:28:43 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 16:38:52 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen X-Sender: To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: VA Legislation In-Reply-To: <019a01c2bb3d$498669a0$7a5dfea9@mikescomputer> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 13 Jan 2003, Michael R. Cecchini wrote: > Problem(s) > > #1. Find a good cop. Just as you'll find in life, there are good people and bad people. Police officers are people. Treat them as such, you'll be amazed at the results :-) I have friends that are ex-LEO and family members, too. I have the highest respect for the *good* people that put their life on the line every day. It makes my cushy IS job seem trivial. > #2. Haven't been given a "break" in 20+ yrs. Sorry to hear that, maybe it's you and not the police? > #3. They already do. I've never been stopped on my 175hp 'crotch rocket'. I've also never been stopped in my 600hp barely street legal, rollbar equipped, 100db at idle car. Maybe you just have bad luck, MC :-) The only time I've been stopped by the police is when I was breaking some traffic law. That's it. Many times I've been given a verbal warning and sent on my way. A few times I have been given a ticket. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 13 16:32:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0DLW3O7020500; Mon, 13 Jan 2003 16:32:03 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0DLW3ZA020495; Mon, 13 Jan 2003 16:32:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030113213156.66223.qmail@web40810.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 13:31:56 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: VA Legislation To: "Michael R. Cecchini" , DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <019a01c2bb3d$498669a0$7a5dfea9@mikescomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- "Michael R. Cecchini" wrote: > Problem(s) > > #1. Find a good cop. > I know several and would be happy to introduce you. > #2. Haven't been given a "break" in 20+ yrs. > Maybe you should evaluate your interpersonal communication skills? > #3. They already do. > Some do, not all. Universal statements are by nature fallacious. Todd W. ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 13 16:37:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0DLbKO7021691; Mon, 13 Jan 2003 16:37:20 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0DLbKhE021683; Mon, 13 Jan 2003 16:37:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030113213715.47729.qmail@web11101.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 13:37:15 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: VA Legislation To: Todd Withrow , DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <20030113213156.66223.qmail@web40810.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Unlike Mike, I have received a break or two, however it's the kiss-ass attitude that you have to adopt before they'll treat you like a human being that pisses me off. Chris --- Todd Withrow wrote: > > #2. Haven't been given a "break" in 20+ yrs. > > > > Maybe you should evaluate your interpersonal > communication skills? __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 13 16:49:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0DLnQO7023510; Mon, 13 Jan 2003 16:49:26 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0DLnPxH023500; Mon, 13 Jan 2003 16:49:25 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <022801c2bb46$161fc1c0$7a5dfea9@mikescomputer> From: "Michael R. Cecchini" To: "DC Cycles" References: Subject: Re: VA Legislation Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 15:53:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH LOGIN at pop016.verizon.net from [141.156.151.6] at Mon, 13 Jan 2003 15:49:15 -0600 > From: "Wayne Edelen" > > #2. Haven't been given a "break" in 20+ yrs. MC > > Sorry to hear that, maybe it's you and not the police? I learned long ago that you treat a LEO with respect and keep your mouth shut. Period. The only LEO I've been able to talk to before the writing starts..... is in DC. > > #3. They already do. MC >Maybe you just have bad luck, MC Seems like it. The record speaks for it's self. MC From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 13 16:51:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0DLpFO7024118; Mon, 13 Jan 2003 16:51:15 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0DLpFWh024113; Mon, 13 Jan 2003 16:51:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 13:51:09 -0800 From: To: Chris Weaver Cc: DC Cycles Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Subject: Re: VA Legislation Sender: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 65.36.86.136 But YOU are a criminal! %^) On Mon, 13 Jan 2003 13:37:15 -0800 (PST) Chris Weaver wrote: > Unlike Mike, I have received a break or two, > however > it's the kiss-ass attitude that you have to > adopt > before they'll treat you like a human being > that > pisses me off. > > Chris From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 13 16:54:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0DLsSO7024167; Mon, 13 Jan 2003 16:54:28 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0DLsSh8024154; Mon, 13 Jan 2003 16:54:28 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <022e01c2bb46$cacd1d20$7a5dfea9@mikescomputer> From: "Michael R. Cecchini" To: "DC Cycles" References: <20030113213156.66223.qmail@web40810.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: VA Legislation Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 15:58:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH LOGIN at out006.verizon.net from [141.156.151.6] at Mon, 13 Jan 2003 15:54:18 -0600 > > #1. Find a good cop. > I know several and would be happy to introduce you. No thank you. > > #2. Haven't been given a "break" in 20+ yrs. > Maybe you should evaluate your interpersonal communication skills? Ever try to talk to a machine ?? >Universal statements are by nature fallacious. Come and live in Montgomery County for 20+ yrs and say that. MC From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 13 16:58:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0DLwiO7025951; Mon, 13 Jan 2003 16:58:44 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0DLwiM4025942; Mon, 13 Jan 2003 16:58:44 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <023401c2bb47$6313cf70$7a5dfea9@mikescomputer> From: "Michael R. Cecchini" To: "DC Cycles" References: <20030113213715.47729.qmail@web11101.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: VA Legislation Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 16:03:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH LOGIN at out005.verizon.net from [141.156.151.6] at Mon, 13 Jan 2003 15:58:33 -0600 And it's their "you just raped my daughter" attitude I can't handle. The last time I got stopped in upstate NY (2 yrs ago), I actually thanked the State Trooper for acting like a person. He looked at me like I was trying to be sarcastic. And then I told him that he'd have to see how cops treat people where I come from and I was impressed with his professional behavior. As he walked away he said: "Yea.......I know what you mean. That's why I work and live up here and not down there where it's crazy. Have a nice day" MC ******************************************************** >From: "Chris Weaver" > Unlike Mike, I have received a break or two, however > it's the kiss-ass attitude that you have to adopt > before they'll treat you like a human being that > pisses me off. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 13 17:02:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0DM2fO7027756; Mon, 13 Jan 2003 17:02:41 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0DM2fLE027745; Mon, 13 Jan 2003 17:02:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030113220238.82793.qmail@web11107.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 14:02:38 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: VA Legislation To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Yep, I've been collared by the Man for my atrocious traffic violations before. Does CATO know you hang around with known criminals? I'd play that down if I were you. :^P Chris --- cvkgpena@XXXXXX wrote: > But YOU are a criminal! %^) > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 13 17:29:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0DMTqO7029633; Mon, 13 Jan 2003 17:29:52 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0DMTqTe029623; Mon, 13 Jan 2003 17:29:52 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030113222945.91995.qmail@web40811.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 14:29:45 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: VA Legislation To: "Michael R. Cecchini" , DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <022e01c2bb46$cacd1d20$7a5dfea9@mikescomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- "Michael R. Cecchini" > Come and live in Montgomery County for 20+ yrs and > say that. > > MC > Move to PG County, then you might decide you don't have it so bad. I'll stay out here in Fauquier County thank you. :^) Todd W. ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 13 17:48:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0DMmXO7030955; Mon, 13 Jan 2003 17:48:33 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0DMmWSB030945; Mon, 13 Jan 2003 17:48:32 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030113224825.18122.qmail@web41107.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 14:48:25 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: cycles and tacoma double/crew cabs To: Leon Begeman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20030113211159.70953.qmail@web14001.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Leon Begeman wrote: > How about a big wooden box with a 2 by 4 underneath it > running down the center so it sits in the rail? A > couple of your bike tiedowns ought to hold it in > place. > > If you wanted to haul that other stuff, you probably > should have gotten that kind of trailer to begin with. sheesh. the whole point was me justifying the purchase of another unnecessary vehicle. come on! how about a little support here?!?! > --- Tom Gimer wrote: > > i've already got a nice single-rail trailer. > > > > if you have any recommendations as to how i can haul > > a cord > > of firewood, furniture, junk headed to the dump, or > > other > > large/bulky/nasty items on it, i'm all ears.... ;) __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 13 18:05:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0DN5uO7031642; Mon, 13 Jan 2003 18:05:56 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0DN5u7u031634; Mon, 13 Jan 2003 18:05:56 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 18:05:37 EST Subject: Re: VA Legislation To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 1/13/2003 3:37:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, mtwithrow@XXXXXX writes: > I must for self protection assume, > > at least for the start, > > that any cop I encounter is a bad one. > > Bad idea, IMHO. Treat a good cop poorly, and you are > less likely to get a break he was otherwise inclined > to give you. I am not talking about treating anyone badly, that would be pointless. We all know that if you are an asshole yourself you will piss off anyone. What I am saying is approach with caution. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 13 23:20:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0E4KgO7005521; Mon, 13 Jan 2003 23:20:42 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0E4KevL005511; Mon, 13 Jan 2003 23:20:40 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 23:30:44 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: cycles and tacoma double/crew cabs In-Reply-To: <20030113224825.18122.qmail@web41107.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 13 Jan 2003, Tom Gimer wrote: > sheesh. the whole point was me justifying the purchase of > another unnecessary vehicle. come on! how about a little > support here?!?! If it was a cool vehicle, I'd support you, Tom... but a Tacoma? C'mon, man. ;-) ;-) If you were buying a Ford F350 6L Powerstroke dually to tow a 400lb motorcycle, that would make more sense. :-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 14 06:08:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0EB8tO7008900; Tue, 14 Jan 2003 06:08:55 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0EB8rUv008890; Tue, 14 Jan 2003 06:08:53 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: OT: Morning Ride Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 06:05:35 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0301140605351Z.02506@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Not to get off the subject at hand ;-) Other than a small sliver of ice at the neck where the scarf and the Gerbings seem to love to gap and cold thumbs, the electric stuff is working to 22 degrees. I may have to resort to an ace bandage for Thursday (17 degrees forecast) just to keep the gap closed or my snow mask upside down. It's too thick for the helmet. All I have on the lower legs are the standard stuff plus long johns and chaps. While the tops of my thighs are cold, they're not as cold as my thumbs or big toes. Must be that extra layer of insulation ;-) I bought some new boots two week ago. After 20 years, it's time to retire the old army boots. Damn nail in the ball of the left foot does it every time. That and the large cracks next to the little toes. I looked at the Harley boots, just for S&G. There's a tag on the ones with the Harley-Davidson plate screwed into the back of the heel. The plate will mark up the engine case. You should remove them if you plan to ride. I picked up some GBX pseudo-biker boots. Leather uppers and rubber soles. We'll see how the soles work on the slickish roads at stops. Anyway, back to the political discussion already in progress. Evil Overlord Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 14 06:56:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0EBunO7009723; Tue, 14 Jan 2003 06:56:49 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0EBunXI009713; Tue, 14 Jan 2003 06:56:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 06:56:42 -0500 (EST) From: jdonovan@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: OT: Morning Ride In-Reply-To: <0301140605351Z.02506@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 14 Jan 2003, Carl Schelin wrote: > Other than a small sliver of ice at the neck where the scarf and the Gerbings > seem to love to gap and cold thumbs, the electric stuff is working to 22 > degrees. I may have to resort to an ace bandage for Thursday (17 degrees > forecast) just to keep the gap closed or my snow mask upside down. It's too > thick for the helmet. > This is the first season I'm using the Gerbing gear, and I'm overall fairly impressed with its ability to keep me warm when its cold. However, I seem to be having the same problem as Carl... Cold Thumbs. Has anyone with the electrics found a reasonable solution? I think the problem is the heat wires only run on the backs of the hand/fingers, and I suspect my thumb doesn't spend enough time close to the heat wires. I've heard Gerbing buys the gloves from another manufacturer and then adds the heating elements. Does anyone know if they will do custom work and add additional heating wire in the areas we are finding are getting cold? -JD From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 14 07:27:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0ECR0O7011038; Tue, 14 Jan 2003 07:27:00 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0ECQxv3011026; Tue, 14 Jan 2003 07:26:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: OT: Morning Ride Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 07:23:41 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <03011407234121.02506@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Tuesday 14 January 2003 06:56, jdonovan@XXXXXX wrote: > On Tue, 14 Jan 2003, Carl Schelin wrote: > > Other than a small sliver of ice at the neck where the scarf and the > > Gerbings seem to love to gap and cold thumbs, the electric stuff is > > working to 22 degrees. I may have to resort to an ace bandage for > > Thursday (17 degrees forecast) just to keep the gap closed or my snow > > mask upside down. It's too thick for the helmet. > > This is the first season I'm using the Gerbing gear, and I'm overall > fairly impressed with its ability to keep me warm when its cold. However, > I seem to be having the same problem as Carl... Cold Thumbs. Has anyone > with the electrics found a reasonable solution? I think the problem is the > heat wires only run on the backs of the hand/fingers, and I suspect my > thumb doesn't spend enough time close to the heat wires. > > I've heard Gerbing buys the gloves from another manufacturer and then adds > the heating elements. Does anyone know if they will do custom work and add > additional heating wire in the areas we are finding are getting cold? > The wires are there but are in the wrong place. On the fingers, the backs and tips are exposed and have the wires. On the thumbs, the sides of the thumbs facing down get the greatest breeze. The wires should be moved around the thumb by a quarter. If I lighten up on the thumbs, they get warmer. Same if I move them up behind the switches. It's only when they're in place exposed to the updraft that they get real cold. > -JD Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 14 07:29:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0ECThO7011623; Tue, 14 Jan 2003 07:29:43 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0ECThjo011616; Tue, 14 Jan 2003 07:29:43 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F14515302@dchqclexhq.fsis.usda.gov> From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Cc: "'frosty@XXXXXX'" Subject: FS: Dunlop front Tire: K505 110/80-17 Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 07:30:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain Stephen D, scrupulously describing the discarded shoe in detail said, "Still round has the nobby (sic) bits left on about the outer 1" of the tire." The proper term is not "knobby bits" but "tits of shame" Best wishes on your tire sale. Carl in Bethesda (Pedagogue, suffering form PMS - need warm day to pop carbs back in) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 14 08:21:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0EDLXO7013070; Tue, 14 Jan 2003 08:21:33 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0EDLXKp013060; Tue, 14 Jan 2003 08:21:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <200301141321.QBS77972@vmms2.verisignmail.com> Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 08:21:35 -0500 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: VA Legislation To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mirapoint Webmail Direct 2.9.3.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Todd W(arns) >Move to PG County, then you might decide you don't >have it so bad. I'll stay out here in Fauquier County >thank you. :^) [Dave] I have to stick up for the homeland ;-) PG county gets a bad rap. Yeah, they do a lot of poor skill, high speed driving, yes, they're involved in a lot of shootings, but let's face facts, it's not the PG county it was 30 years ago! It's a high crime, high drug traffic, gang riddled county now. Oxon Hill is like Beirut east (for crime, shootings etc.) In 20 years as a child, teenager, delinquent, and adult with some responsibility in PG county, I had only 1 bad run in with them - a gun came out when it wasn't needed, and I got a no front plate ticket. One of them was decent enough to spend a few minutes lecturing me as a delinquent kid, which helped in setting me straight... MSP are much worse. I've yet to meet any Maryland state trooper that had an ounce of professionalism. That is not to say I haven't had some positive encounters (meaning I weasled my way out of a citation). But, it's as Mike suggested, to the MSP, 70 in a 55 ought to be a class 3 felony. They are some of the most non driving m*ther F@ckers on the planet, and have the chutzpah to talk down to us?? I have never, ever lowered myself to ass kissing a cop for the benefit of getting out of a ticket. I have, and still always do, ask for a warning when I produce my license. To date, I've gotten about half a dozen warnings, one of which I most certainly did not earn with brownie points (I was shouting at the assh*le deputy from Chuck county for stopping me, not the idiot that cut me off). I treat them the same way I would treat me if I were in their shoes, unless or until they get smart... That happened once, and I told them I had to use the phone, at which point I called 911, and told them one of their cops was detaining me, and was vociferously threatening (he was), and I feared for my safety. 15 minutes and several cruisers later, on my way, after same PO writes warning and is much more polite. You don't have to kiss their asses, you just have to be respectful as you would expect were you in their shoes. Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 14 10:23:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0EFNoO7014904; Tue, 14 Jan 2003 10:23:50 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0EFNmx3014894; Tue, 14 Jan 2003 10:23:48 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <002701c2bbe1$5aa391a0$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Carl Schelin" , "DC-Cycles" References: <03011407234121.02506@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Subject: Re: OT: Morning Ride Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 10:24:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl Schelin" > On Tuesday 14 January 2003 06:56, jdonovan@XXXXXX wrote: > > On Tue, 14 Jan 2003, Carl Schelin wrote: > > > Other than a small sliver of ice at the neck where the scarf and the > > > Gerbings seem to love to gap and cold thumbs, the electric stuff is > > > working to 22 degrees. I may have to resort to an ace bandage for > > > Thursday (17 degrees forecast) just to keep the gap closed or my snow > > > mask upside down. It's too thick for the helmet. > > > > This is the first season I'm using the Gerbing gear, and I'm overall > > fairly impressed with its ability to keep me warm when its cold. However, > > I seem to be having the same problem as Carl... Cold Thumbs. I've used the Gerbing gloves for three winter seasons now, and I've not noticed the thumb problem. If my hands get cold, that's what the knob on the Heat-Troller is for. :) As you suggested, try giving your thumbs a rest and moving 'em out of the wind. For bombing down the highway, you don't really need to have your entire paw wrapped tightly around the grip. Heated grips might help as well. If I have a quibble with the Gerbing gloves, it's that I'd like bigger (longer) gauntlets on them. Sometimes I get pesky little drafts at my wrists. For the neck, I got one of those fleece neckwarmer + balaclava things (Shellaclava) from Riderwearhouse. Drafts be gone. For the extremely frugal (hi Carl in Bethesda!) such a critter could probably be had with the investment of a couple of dollars in fabric and some seat time at the sewing machine. Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 14 10:39:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0EFd5O7016717; Tue, 14 Jan 2003 10:39:05 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0EFd5sD016707; Tue, 14 Jan 2003 10:39:05 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Re: OT: Morning Ride Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 10:35:46 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" References: <03011407234121.02506@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> <002701c2bbe1$5aa391a0$bb82fea9@palladio1> In-Reply-To: <002701c2bbe1$5aa391a0$bb82fea9@palladio1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0301141035462A.02506@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Tuesday 14 January 2003 10:24, Paul Wilson wrote: > I've used the Gerbing gloves for three winter seasons now, and I've not > noticed the thumb problem. If my hands get cold, that's what the knob on > the Heat-Troller is for. :) Hey, it was maxed out this morning. No windshield (big updraft with a 'shield). The thumbs weren't falling off cold, but they were certainly colder than everything else except maybe the little drafty bit at the neck. > As you suggested, try giving your thumbs a > rest and moving 'em out of the wind. For bombing down the highway, you > don't really need to have your entire paw wrapped tightly around the grip. > Heated grips might help as well. > I've done that but in rush hour, I find myself having to back off and speed up even when I leave space. > If I have a quibble with the Gerbing gloves, it's that I'd like bigger > (longer) gauntlets on them. Sometimes I get pesky little drafts at my > wrists. > You should stop wearing t-shirts and start wearing a jacket :-) Seriously these things come half way up my forearm. Maybe the older ones are shorter. > For the neck, I got one of those fleece neckwarmer + balaclava things > (Shellaclava) from Riderwearhouse. Drafts be gone. For the extremely > frugal (hi Carl in Bethesda!) such a critter could probably be had with the > investment of a couple of dollars in fabric and some seat time at the > sewing machine. > I picked up a balaclava one but it was a skiing one not one for a helmet. I'll have to hit riderwearhouse for a bike oriented one. It's not normally a big deal but this morning I pulled the scarf up over the nose so it was at its limit and the collar of the gerbings fell down a bit leaving the gap. > Paul in DC > 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F Hey, speaking of DC, where is everyone? Normally there are three or four bikes at the lot here but yesterday and today it's just me. Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 14 10:48:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0EFmnO7017401; Tue, 14 Jan 2003 10:48:49 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0EFmnR7017391; Tue, 14 Jan 2003 10:48:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E2430BF.16F30790@tasam.com> Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 10:46:07 -0500 From: Skip Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: VA Legislation [long] References: <200301141321.QBS77972@vmms2.verisignmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dave Yates wrote: > MSP are much worse. I've yet to meet any Maryland state > trooper that had an ounce of professionalism. That is not to > say I haven't had some positive encounters (meaning I weasled > my way out of a citation). But, it's as Mike suggested, to > the MSP, 70 in a 55 ought to be a class 3 felony. They are > some of the most non driving m*ther F@ckers on the planet, > and have the chutzpah to talk down to us?? I've had 2 total encounters with the MSP, both of which were positive. The first, a friend of mine and I had been up in Germantown and had gotten all kinds of loaded. I was driving a passenger van, so there were windows all the way around. I had been planning on taking about a year's worth of newspapers to the recycler's. when I loaded them up, they were stacked nicely, but at this point it was just a sea of paper in the back. My friend had passed out in that sea of paper. While cruising down 270 I realized that i was unable to see straight, and so should pull over. I got out of the van and was having a smoke when the trooper pulled up. I showed myself, and my hands as he walked up. He looked in the back and then came up and asked me, "what's with the guy in back?" My reply, "Just driving a drunk friend home, sir", was apparently the ideal response. He let me go on my merry way. The second, the same friend and I had been in Germantown again, only his time, I didn't drink. He did, however, and was in a blackout. I decided that it was time to go, but he didn't want to ride in my car. He was, instead, going to walk home to Great Falls, VA. I gave him a 20 minute head start, figuring that that would be enough time for him to get to the on ramp, where I could pick him up. It was enough time, however, for him to get almost onto 270. He was hitch hiking, and I pulled over. he climbed in the back, and slurred out, "Take me to Great Falls." this was perfect. he didn't realize that it was me! My girlfriend, however, was also completely in the bag, and didn't understand the subtly of the situation, and kept talking. finally he realized who he was riding with and demanded that I pull over. I refused. He waited about 2 minutes and said that he needed to get sick. I pulled over, he opened the door, hopped out, and with a maniacal cackle, shut the door and hopped over the guardrail into the woods. I was LIVID I said as I drove off, "fine. he can walk his sorry drunken ass home." I drove for about 3 or 4 minutes and realized that I wouldn't be a very good friend if I left him on the side of the highway in that condition so I made a U turn at the next exit, another at Germantown and went looking for him. I knew he was there, and even with that knowledge, i almost hit him, because he was stumbling around, walking backwards trying to hitch a ride, but stumbling out into the middle lane and then back to the shoulder. I go into a 4 wheel slide and finally get stopped on the shoulder. He and my girlfriend had gotten into some drunken fight, and he walked up to her and started saying something. she, from about 4 feet away, tried to hit him with a big ol' roundhouse punch. she spun around twice and fell, laying face up. I grabbed him by the shoulders and told him he was getting in the car. He refused. by now, I'm done. had enough. so I deck him. he falls down. I try to pick him up, but he wont get up, so i pin his shoulders with my knees and say " get in the car" "No!" "Get in the car" No! I'm not sure exactly how long it went on, but that was when the Trooper walked up, hitching his gun belt, saying, "I thought I had me a hom-a-cide here" I quickly explain the situation. He checks my license, and asks how much I had had to drink. I said, "Nothing" he said, "mmmmHmmm" and proceeds to give me the 'pencil test'. however, I'm staring into his rollers and can't see the pencil. he says, "Son, you may not have had anything to drink, but you ain't gonna be drivin'." uh-oh. this is NOT going as planned. He looks at me, and at the two drunks I'm corralling like trying to corral cats. He says, "If I take you to a phone, can you get a ride home?" I *immediately* answer yes. it's 2:30 in the morning at this point, and I've got NO idea of who I'm going to call, but i'm going to make some damn phone calls. He says, "If I see you driving this car tonight, you're going to jail." No problem, considering that if he had wanted to, he could have taken us all to jail already. So Deb and I get in the back seat, Dan is in the front. the cop lights up a smoke. I ask if we can also, and he says sure. Dan, in the front seat begins fumbling around with a cigarette, gets it in his mouth and goes to light it, and the cop slaps it out of his hand and says, "No, boy! I don't want no burn holes on my seats!" Dan says, " Fucking pig." If there hadn't been a screen, I'd have bapped him one, but there was, so i just said, "Shutup, Dan!" "God Damned Fucking Pig" Well, at this point, I thought FOR SURE he'd be taking us to jail. but he didn't, he took us to a phone where I made some phone calls and got us and our car all home safely. I consider that a good interaction with the MSP From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 14 15:35:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0EKZ3O7021486; Tue, 14 Jan 2003 15:35:03 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0EKYwds021470; Tue, 14 Jan 2003 15:34:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030114203455.82668.qmail@web20702.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 12:34:55 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: OT: shanandoa hiking maps for sale To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I have hiking and topo maps for the the mid to northern regions as well 2 handbooks on local circuit and day hikes published by the PATC. $20 for the whole lot. call me as email will not be checked too much. 703-980-6716 __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 14 17:27:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0EMR4O7023897; Tue, 14 Jan 2003 17:27:04 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0EMR2Gc023887; Tue, 14 Jan 2003 17:27:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <002701c2bc1a$a14aa330$6500a8c0@MASA.masainc.com> From: "Shigeru Honda" To: Subject: winter pants Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 17:16:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Does anyone know a good winter pants (ones you put over regular pants) that can be put on and off easily without taking off the boots/shoes? I currently have one from Teknic but its such a pain to put it on and off... BTW, the $700 Katana I bought few weeks ago turned out that carbs are filled with rust. the tank was lined poorly and its pealing with lots of rust growing. Bought a used tank from ebay and now cleaning the carbs. should be on the road with little extra $ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 14 18:07:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0EN7oO7025317; Tue, 14 Jan 2003 18:07:50 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0EN7oOn025307; Tue, 14 Jan 2003 18:07:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F14515331@dchqclexhq.fsis.usda.gov> From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Subject: LEO's packing Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 18:08:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain Reply from a NYC cop. > It was his assertion (I didn't verify this) that NJ will not > allow LE from adjoining states to 'carry' in NJ, effectively disarming > them, and creating a fleeing felon's paradise. As I understand from him, > a couple of Philadelphia cops were actually arrested in NJ for pursuing > someone into NJ. They were booked, spent the night & rendered back to > Philadelphia the next day... ====================================== Why repeat such bullshit without making any attempt at verifying it? Over the years I've been in N.J. a couple of dozen times, doing investigations, extraditions and even arrests (with local PD). I've worked in probably more than a dozen states on NY cases. As far as I know every state allows LEOs from outside the state to carry weapons when on official business. Also every state has procedures for interstate pursuit of fleeing felons from neighboring states. Bob From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 14 19:39:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0F0dKO7029712; Tue, 14 Jan 2003 19:39:20 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0F0dJN1029702; Tue, 14 Jan 2003 19:39:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <002501c2bc2e$8d5d61a0$e6702c42@D7XFG711> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Carl Schelin" , "DC-Cycles" References: <03011407234121.02506@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> <002701c2bbe1$5aa391a0$bb82fea9@palladio1> <0301141035462A.02506@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Subject: Re: OT: Morning Ride Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 19:39:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl Schelin" To: "DC-Cycles" Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 10:35 AM Subject: Re: OT: Morning Ride > On Tuesday 14 January 2003 10:24, Paul Wilson wrote: > > > I've used the Gerbing gloves for three winter seasons now, and I've not > > noticed the thumb problem. If my hands get cold, that's what the knob on > > the Heat-Troller is for. :) > > Hey, it was maxed out this morning. No windshield (big updraft with a > 'shield). The thumbs weren't falling off cold, but they were certainly colder > than everything else except maybe the little drafty bit at the neck. > > > As you suggested, try giving your thumbs a > > rest and moving 'em out of the wind. For bombing down the highway, you > > don't really need to have your entire paw wrapped tightly around the grip. > > Heated grips might help as well. > > > > I've done that but in rush hour, I find myself having to back off and speed > up even when I leave space. > > > If I have a quibble with the Gerbing gloves, it's that I'd like bigger > > (longer) gauntlets on them. Sometimes I get pesky little drafts at my > > wrists. > > > > You should stop wearing t-shirts and start wearing a jacket :-) Seriously > these things come half way up my forearm. Maybe the older ones are shorter. > ... > > Hey, speaking of DC, where is everyone? Normally there are three or four > bikes at the lot here but yesterday and today it's just me. > > Carl Carl, Here's what my Gerbing gloves look like. www.wilsonline.org/gerbing_gloves.JPG I've showed you mine, now you show me yours. ;-) I would be interested to know if they changed the gauntlets. I also had time to check out the wire placement in the thumbs. It's as you describe, mostly in the "crotch" area, not on the bottom that's exposed to the frosty breezes. As for why there are no bikes parked near yours, maybe no one likes you, although the temps might have something to do with it! Paul in DC 95 VFR - 86 VF500F - IBA # 12143 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 14 21:09:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0F29lO7031355; Tue, 14 Jan 2003 21:09:47 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0F29klU031345; Tue, 14 Jan 2003 21:09:46 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20030114210228.00a71a40@mail.hq.nasa.gov> X-Sender: cschelin@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 21:05:13 -0500 To: "DC-Cycles" From: Carl Schelin Subject: Re: OT: Morning Ride In-Reply-To: <002501c2bc2e$8d5d61a0$e6702c42@D7XFG711> References: <03011407234121.02506@XXXXXX> <002701c2bbe1$5aa391a0$bb82fea9@palladio1> <0301141035462A.02506@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 07:39 PM 1/14/03 -0500, Paul Wilson wrote: >Carl, > >Here's what my Gerbing gloves look like. > >www.wilsonline.org/gerbing_gloves.JPG > >I've showed you mine, now you show me yours. ;-) http://www.schelin.org/imgs/gloves.jpg and http://www.schelin.org/imgs/glove_on.jpg > I would be interested to >know if they changed the gauntlets. It doesn't look like it. They seem to be about the same length. > I also had time to check out the wire >placement in the thumbs. It's as you describe, mostly in the "crotch" area, >not on the bottom that's exposed to the frosty breezes. I sent them an e-mail suggesting a change. I'm trying the pads in the morning, just out of curiosity. >As for why there are no bikes parked near yours, maybe no one likes you, >although the temps might have something to do with it! Yea, I'm a pariah with that hawg. >Paul in DC >95 VFR - 86 VF500F - IBA # 12143 Carl at home From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 14 21:50:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0F2o4O7032728; Tue, 14 Jan 2003 21:50:04 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0F2o32d032718; Tue, 14 Jan 2003 21:50:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 18:49:56 -0800 From: " williams siemens" To: "Wood, Sally" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Reply-To: yapima@XXXXXX Subject: Hello Sender: yapima@XXXXXX Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 209.244.85.160 I am really happy for you I hope everything works out. Jim and I are racing for the national championship this year, maybe I will see you sometime. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 15 09:15:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0FEFXO7005957; Wed, 15 Jan 2003 09:15:33 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0FEFVFO005947; Wed, 15 Jan 2003 09:15:31 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: purdyjeremy@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Accessory Plug Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 14:15:09 +0000 X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Nov 25 2002) X-Authenticated-Sender: cHVyZHlqZXJlbXlAYXR0Lm5ldA== Message-Id: <20030115141509.ESOF20003.mtiwmhc13.worldnet.att.net@mtiwebc15> I am looking for an accessory plug to mount on my V-Star. I found this one at Dennis Kirk that looks good: http://www.denniskirk.com/powervendor/details/detail.asp? serverid=nlHarley&PartNo=H40103 The bonus is that it comes with all the wiring, inline fuse, etc. Do I need to take any special steps to waterproof said accessory plug? --- Jeremy Purdy '00 Yamaha V-Star From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 15 09:28:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0FESBO7007214; Wed, 15 Jan 2003 09:28:11 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0FESB21007204; Wed, 15 Jan 2003 09:28:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <005701c2bca2$c0d4f1a0$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc-cycles list" Subject: Segway - sorta non-moto Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 09:30:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A57136-2003Jan14.html A story on the Segway personal transporter in the Post this morning. It seems 30 "lucky prize-winners" nationwide plunked down five large of their own money to be the first to own this contraption. P.T. Barnum would be proud at this latest triumph in hucksterism. My question - what do you do when you come to a set of steps? This thing weighs 85 pounds. The heaviest bicycle I've ever owned tipped the scales at about 30 pounds and you can sling a bike over your shoulder and go, without hunting for the handicapped ramp or an elevator. Another glitch - the batteries crap out in cold weather. My bicycle has never crapped out in cold weather, and ditto with my 17-year-old motorcycle with its lead acid battery and internal combustion engine that I bought for $800. What's the amazing thing - 33 states have legalized these things for use on public rights of way, including sidewalks, where bicycles (not to mention scooters, motorcycles and mopeds) are largely forbidden. Paul in DC - 95 VFR - 86 VF500F From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 15 09:56:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0FEu6O7008577; Wed, 15 Jan 2003 09:56:06 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0FEu6Qk008567; Wed, 15 Jan 2003 09:56:06 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E2577C7.2657223A@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 10:01:27 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Wilson CC: dc-cycles list Subject: Re: Segway - sorta non-moto References: <005701c2bca2$c0d4f1a0$bb82fea9@palladio1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Paul Wilson wrote: > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A57136-2003Jan14.html > > A story on the Segway personal transporter in the Post this morning. It > seems 30 "lucky prize-winners" nationwide plunked down five large of their > own money to be the first to own this contraption. P.T. Barnum would be > proud at this latest triumph in hucksterism. > > My question - what do you do when you come to a set of steps? This thing > weighs 85 pounds. The heaviest bicycle I've ever owned tipped the scales at > about 30 pounds and you can sling a bike over your shoulder and go, without > hunting for the handicapped ramp or an elevator. Another glitch - the > batteries crap out in cold weather. My bicycle has never crapped out in > cold weather, and ditto with my 17-year-old motorcycle with its lead acid > battery and internal combustion engine that I bought for $800. > > What's the amazing thing - 33 states have legalized these things for use on > public rights of way, including sidewalks, where bicycles (not to mention > scooters, motorcycles and mopeds) are largely forbidden. > > Paul in DC - 95 VFR - 86 VF500F I agree, totally bogus. The damn things can hit 17 MPH, about the speed of a runner. I forsee mayhem on the sidewalks. Not to mention the Segway is another nail in the coffin of obesity. If they become popular the manufacturer will have to up the GVW to carry all those non-exercising lard-asses. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 15 09:58:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0FEwiO7009196; Wed, 15 Jan 2003 09:58:44 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0FEwh2l009189; Wed, 15 Jan 2003 09:58:43 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <200301151458.QBU45726@vmms2.verisignmail.com> Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 09:58:27 -0500 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: Segway - sorta non-moto To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mirapoint Webmail Direct 2.9.3.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Paul segwayed : ... >What's the amazing thing - 33 states have legalized these things for use on >public rights of way, including sidewalks, where bicycles (not to mention >scooters, motorcycles and mopeds) are largely forbidden. [Dave] Oh the Humanity ! I can see it now ; fisticuffs over being trampled by segway operators... You know the svelte challenged crowd are going to make heavy (no pun intended) use of these things too... Brings a whole new dimension to the stampede into Toys r us for the latest & greatest Christmas gift too... What about Metro? I can just see someone stupid enough to try & ride the segway on to a Metro escalator... Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 15 10:02:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0FF2AO7009842; Wed, 15 Jan 2003 10:02:10 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0FF2Ae9009833; Wed, 15 Jan 2003 10:02:10 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <001501c2bca7$4a49b520$6401a8c0@XP1> From: "Bruce N" To: "dc-cycles list" References: <005701c2bca2$c0d4f1a0$bb82fea9@palladio1> Subject: Re: Segway - sorta non-moto Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 10:03:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 The Segway has a power assist mode where you can "drive" it up and down stairs. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Wilson" > My question - what do you do when you come to a set of steps? This thing > weighs 85 pounds. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 15 10:05:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0FF5MO7011668; Wed, 15 Jan 2003 10:05:22 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0FF5MPF011658; Wed, 15 Jan 2003 10:05:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Reply-To: From: "Jim McGonigle" To: Subject: RE: Segway - sorta non-moto Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 10:04:19 -0500 Organization: BroadSoft Message-ID: <006601c2bca7$622bc070$8101a8c0@jmcgonigle> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <200301151458.QBU45726@vmms2.verisignmail.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Not that I don't disagree, but have an open mind. What do you think people said when cars were introduced? I mean come on, on the same trails as horses?!?! I also thought I read that they had a solution for steps, but don't remember what it was. Think it was on their web site. The device makes sense for some people in an urban environment especially one that doesn't have a complete mass transit system like DC. Police, postal workers, and many other occupations will find them very useful. Dealing w/ the integration issues is going to be tough though. Maybe, they will start having more urban lanes dedicated to low speed personal transportion devices like bikes, segways and motorcycles. IMHO, -Jim > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Yates [mailto:Dave@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 9:58 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Segway - sorta non-moto > > > Paul segwayed : > ... > >What's the amazing thing - 33 states have legalized these > things for use on > >public rights of way, including sidewalks, where bicycles > (not to mention > >scooters, motorcycles and mopeds) are largely forbidden. > > [Dave] Oh the Humanity ! I can see it now ; fisticuffs over > being trampled by segway operators... You know the svelte > challenged crowd are going to make heavy (no pun intended) > use of these things too... Brings a whole new dimension to > the stampede into Toys r us for the latest & greatest > Christmas gift too... What about Metro? I can just see > someone stupid enough to try & ride the segway on to a Metro > escalator... > > Dave Yates > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 15 10:11:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0FFBUO7013509; Wed, 15 Jan 2003 10:11:30 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0FFBU8s013499; Wed, 15 Jan 2003 10:11:30 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <00ea01c2bca8$ce197e20$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "William J. Huson" Cc: "dc-cycles list" References: <005701c2bca2$c0d4f1a0$bb82fea9@palladio1> <3E2577C7.2657223A@patriot.net> Subject: Re: Segway - sorta non-moto Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 10:14:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ----- Original Message ----- From: "William J. Huson" > > I agree, totally bogus. The damn things can hit 17 MPH, about the speed of a > runner. I forsee mayhem on the sidewalks. Not to mention the Segway is another > nail in the coffin of obesity. If they become popular the manufacturer will > have to up the GVW to carry all those non-exercising lard-asses. > > Bill > And all this gyroscopic computer-driven gimmickry, just to work around aligning two wheels in a single track, as the Almighty intended. MCs have gyroscopically driven guidance systems as well. Keep those gumballs and wheels turning and the vehicle stays upright, in the absence of pilot error. That seems to be the come-on in this device, you don't have to balance, something that's not very hard and a five-year-old can master with ease on a bicycle. The Segway may have specialty applications, such as in warehouses and hospitals. To me it's still a solution in search of a problem. Besides you have to stand up. If I want to stand up while navigating through the city at 12-17 mph, I think I'll take the bus. I wonder if merchants and employers will acquiesce to bringing it inside? Maybe if there's just one and novelty, not thousands, when they're a nuisance. And then there's the factor that's never too far below the surface in the city dweller's mind - theft. If I'm going to use it for errands, unless I can bring it inside, it's gotta be locked up. Paul From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 15 10:33:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0FFXGO7014851; Wed, 15 Jan 2003 10:33:16 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0FFXEsW014841; Wed, 15 Jan 2003 10:33:14 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <9501B54F9880D211B44600A0C9EBEE9607EAD1C5@wash58.acs.org> From: Jason Picton To: Subject: (ot) Dodge Tomahawk humor Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 10:31:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: (ot) Dodge Tomahawk humor http://www.salon.com/comics/lay/2003/01/14/lay/index.html From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 15 10:40:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0FFe8O7016112; Wed, 15 Jan 2003 10:40:08 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0FFe8Yv016101; Wed, 15 Jan 2003 10:40:08 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 10:40:04 -0500 Message-Id: <200301151040.AA111673924@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: Segway - sorta non-moto X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Dave Yates >What about Metro? I can just see >someone stupid enough to try & ride the segway on to a Metro >escalator... Xtreme Segway(TM) !! Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 15 10:48:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0FFmeO7016749; Wed, 15 Jan 2003 10:48:40 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0FFmeEX016739; Wed, 15 Jan 2003 10:48:40 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <200301151546.QBU53851@vmms2.verisignmail.com> Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 10:46:11 -0500 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: Segway - sorta non-moto To: cnorloff@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mirapoint Webmail Direct 2.9.3.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ... >>someone stupid enough to try & ride the segway on to a >>Metro escalator... > >Xtreme Segway(TM) !! > >Chris Norloff [Dave] Kind of like a cross between Segway "Trials" & the tv show Jackass... I think it's got potential... Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 15 11:12:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0FGCvO7018732; Wed, 15 Jan 2003 11:12:57 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0FGCsaq018717; Wed, 15 Jan 2003 11:12:54 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [168.73.245.58] From: "Rob Keiser" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Segway - sorta non-moto Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 10:55:56 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jan 2003 15:55:57.0149 (UTC) FILETIME=[977A20D0:01C2BCAE] >>someone stupid enough to try & ride the segway on to a >>Metro escalator... > >Xtreme Segway(TM) !! > >Chris Norloff >[Dave] Kind of like a cross between Segway "Trials" & the tv >show Jackass... I think it's got potential... Especially if its at the Dupont Circle or Wheaton stations! _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 15 15:06:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0FK6cO7021147; Wed, 15 Jan 2003 15:06:39 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0FK6au9021137; Wed, 15 Jan 2003 15:06:36 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 15:06:21 -0500 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: pawilson@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Segway - sorta non-moto MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <5EED4EEA.28E6B2C3.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Funny thing is, a friend of mine from another list just got a good position with them. He can't wait for his demo model to arrive. Scooter (not related to this thing ;-)) In a message dated 1/15/2003 9:30:33 AM Eastern Standard Time, pawilson@XXXXXX writes: > > > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A57136-2003Jan14.html > > A story on the Segway personal transporter in the Post this morning. It > seems 30 "lucky prize-winners" nationwide plunked down five large of their > own money to be the first to own this contraption. P.T. Barnum would be > proud at this latest triumph in hucksterism. > > My question - what do you do when you come to a set of steps? This thing > weighs 85 pounds. The heaviest bicycle I've ever owned tipped the scales at > about 30 pounds and you can sling a bike over your shoulder and go, without > hunting for the handicapped ramp or an elevator. Another glitch - the > batteries crap out in cold weather. My bicycle has never crapped out in > cold weather, and ditto with my 17-year-old motorcycle with its lead acid > battery and internal combustion engine that I bought for $800. > > What's the amazing thing - 33 states have legalized these things for use on > public rights of way, including sidewalks, where bicycles > (not to mention > scooters, motorcycles and mopeds) are largely forbidden. > > Paul in DC - 95 VFR - 86 VF500F From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 15 16:51:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0FLpQO7022853; Wed, 15 Jan 2003 16:51:26 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0FLpMPH022843; Wed, 15 Jan 2003 16:51:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030115215119.33573.qmail@web11101.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 13:51:19 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Ronnie Smith, PB Road Tester, Dies To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <50E8322A90F08443AA6E9267B1FEC8E0010B39DE@exchange.cato.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Ronnie Smith, a test rider for U.K.-based Performance Bikes magazine, died last Friday night. Apparently, he was riding a scooter and got hit by a car. Sadly ironic after all of his Goldwing-wheelying antics. :^( R.I.P. Ride In Peace Chris p.s. Go to http://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/detail?sectionID=50677&documentID=162523 and you can find out a little more. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 15 17:04:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0FM4kO7024700; Wed, 15 Jan 2003 17:04:46 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0FM4jRx024690; Wed, 15 Jan 2003 17:04:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Subject: Re: Ronnie Smith, PB Road Tester, Dies Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 16:06:00 -0600 Message-ID: <5FF38C7F4A347F47B8AB4453B2A530BDB8E858@nt-hqexbh1.boiseoffice.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Re: Ronnie Smith, PB Road Tester, Dies Thread-Index: AcK84hEhHQR+0FgeSAKNmKlmdADF6g== From: To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id h0FM4iO7024678 Bummer, He was quite a character. George >>> Chris Weaver 01/15/03 04:51PM >>> Ronnie Smith, a test rider for U.K.-based Performance Bikes magazine, died last Friday night. Apparently, he was riding a scooter and got hit by a car. Sadly ironic after all of his Goldwing-wheelying antics. :^( R.I.P. Ride In Peace Chris From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 15 18:07:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0FN7OO7026252; Wed, 15 Jan 2003 18:07:24 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0FN7Nv3026242; Wed, 15 Jan 2003 18:07:23 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030115230720.64632.qmail@web14001.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 15:07:20 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Segway - sorta non-moto To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <200301151546.QBU53851@vmms2.verisignmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii That thing would be awesome if the weight could be cut to 35 lbs and the top speed increased to about 50 mph. Should be able to dream up some pretty cool tricks on one with that kind of performance. Leon. > [Dave] Kind of like a cross between Segway "Trials" > & the tv > show Jackass... I think it's got potential... > ... > >>someone stupid enough to try & ride the segway on > to a > >>Metro escalator... > > > >Xtreme Segway(TM) !! > > > >Chris Norloff > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 15 18:24:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0FNOuO7027574; Wed, 15 Jan 2003 18:24:56 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0FNOtei027564; Wed, 15 Jan 2003 18:24:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E25EF0B.1BC2D454@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 18:30:19 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Leon Begeman CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Segway - sorta non-moto References: <20030115230720.64632.qmail@web14001.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Leon Begeman wrote: > That thing would be awesome if the weight could be cut > to 35 lbs and the top speed increased to about 50 mph. > Should be able to dream up some pretty cool tricks on > one with that kind of performance. > > Leon. Yes, and add a tiny nuclear powered generator and you could do an iron-butt! Hmmm - a nuke, could you still paint it JD *green*? Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 15 19:02:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0G02iO7031708; Wed, 15 Jan 2003 19:02:44 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0G02gHU031693; Wed, 15 Jan 2003 19:02:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 19:19:23 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen X-Sender: To: Subject: RE: Segway - sorta non-moto In-Reply-To: <006601c2bca7$622bc070$8101a8c0@jmcgonigle> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 15 Jan 2003, Jim McGonigle wrote: > Not that I don't disagree, but have an open mind. What do you think > people said when cars were introduced? I mean come on, on the same > trails as horses?!?! C'mon Jim, you're making too much sense. It is better to preach gloom and doom ;-) Seriously, are things like GoPeds a problem? This thing is nothing more than a glorified (expen$ive) scooter. I've been looking for a GoPed as a pit bike for me to carry to the track (and yes Paul, I'm in good shape ;-) ) and I have sticker shock ($800-$2500!). I don't think a $3-5k scooter is going to be a real problem on the roads/sidewalks/subways. :-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 16 06:36:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0GBakO7004095; Thu, 16 Jan 2003 06:36:46 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0GBai67004085; Thu, 16 Jan 2003 06:36:44 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Brrr Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 06:33:26 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0301160633262N.02506@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit 10 "actual"/10 "feels like" degrees at Manassas, 15/6 at Quantico, 21/9 at National Airport. I used the balaclava to seal the neck and had no neck problems this morning. I bought a new helmet yesterday. Shoei TK-1 (I guess). The vent seems to work at about 85 MPH :-/ (I wouldn't know since I didn't get that fast.) Maybe because of my long pointed nose. I could read my instruments fine and if I tilted my head back I could see the road clearly. I rigged up my scarf to hold it open just enough to get a better breeze. It wasn't perfect and I saw streetlights with a lovely halo but it wasn't blocked either. It has some gadget for holding the shield open at speeds but I'll have to adjust it from 1" to about 1/4". We went through all the helmets in the shop. Several of the XL's and XXL's I couldn't even get over my head. I really wanted one of the flip up's but they apparently don't sell one with a longer chin. The XXL's fit on the head but the chin guard compressed my chin very uncomfortably. Anyway, other than the wacky view I was fairly warm. I had my arctic socks on as well, good to -60 or something. Overall a good ride. I'm out of here NLT 2:30 though. I'm not riding in the snow with these maniacs :-) Off Topic: My wife's been stain-glassing as a hobby for a while (took a class a couple of years ago, dabbled a bit until recently when she dived in). She's put her first item up for sale on e-bay just in time for Valentine's day. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2607738417 I'm sure she'll have others up since they're cluttering up the house :-) Later, Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 16 09:06:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0GE6NO7006644; Thu, 16 Jan 2003 09:06:23 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0GE6McT006634; Thu, 16 Jan 2003 09:06:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E26BBAE.3F3F3B6F@tasam.com> Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 09:03:26 -0500 From: Skip Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "William J. Huson" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Segway - sorta non-moto References: <20030115230720.64632.qmail@web14001.mail.yahoo.com> <3E25EF0B.1BC2D454@patriot.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "William J. Huson" wrote: > > Leon Begeman wrote: > > > That thing would be awesome if the weight could be cut > > to 35 lbs and the top speed increased to about 50 mph. > > Should be able to dream up some pretty cool tricks on > > one with that kind of performance. > > > > Leon. > > Yes, and add a tiny nuclear powered generator and you could do an > iron-butt! > > Hmmm - a nuke, could you still paint it JD *green*? > > Bill I can just hear the traffic report now: "Well, we've got a pile up on 495. Looks like someone had a meltdown. You're gonna want to steer clear of the Woodrow Wilson bridge for the next 10 to 15 years..." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 16 09:12:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0GEC1O7007958; Thu, 16 Jan 2003 09:12:01 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0GEC0Q6007945; Thu, 16 Jan 2003 09:12:00 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E26BEF5.42D9ED7C@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 09:17:25 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Carl Schelin CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Brrr References: <0301160633262N.02506@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Carl Schelin wrote: > 10 "actual"/10 "feels like" degrees at Manassas, 15/6 at Quantico, 21/9 at > National Airport. > > I used the balaclava to seal the neck and had no neck problems this morning. > > I bought a new helmet yesterday. Shoei TK-1 (I guess). The vent seems to work > at about 85 MPH :-/ (I wouldn't know since I didn't get that fast.) Maybe > because of my long pointed nose. I could read my instruments fine and if I > tilted my head back I could see the road clearly. I rigged up my scarf to > hold it open just enough to get a better breeze. It wasn't perfect and I saw > streetlights with a lovely halo but it wasn't blocked either. It has some > gadget for holding the shield open at speeds but I'll have to adjust it from > 1" to about 1/4". > > We went through all the helmets in the shop. Several of the XL's and XXL's I > couldn't even get over my head. I really wanted one of the flip up's but they > apparently don't sell one with a longer chin. The XXL's fit on the head but > the chin guard compressed my chin very uncomfortably. > > Anyway, other than the wacky view I was fairly warm. I had my arctic socks on > as well, good to -60 or something. Overall a good ride. > > I'm out of here NLT 2:30 though. I'm not riding in the snow with these > maniacs :-) > > Off Topic: My wife's been stain-glassing as a hobby for a while (took a class > a couple of years ago, dabbled a bit until recently when she dived in). She's > put her first item up for sale on e-bay just in time for Valentine's day. > I'm sure she'll have others up since they're cluttering up the house :-) > > Later, > > Carl > You're tougher than I am. Of course my scoot uses 20/50 oil, and at this temp if I check the oil I have to *stab* the dipstick back in the goop. That is a good clue that I should ride in the heated cage. In my youth, a snowmobile suit and gauntlet gloves and I was good to go. Getting old and cold sucks. Tis the Dodge fer me today. Stained glass is fun! One of the many crafts I sold when I had my hobby/craft store. Of course I had to try it so I could demo the skill of cutting glass, which I quickly decided was half skill, half luck. Using a parallel glass cutter (wheels about 1/4 inch apart) and trying to cut a narrow snake of glass improved my X rated vocabulary. Your wife's heart project looks good. Coming soon, all those trips to craft fairs! Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 16 09:55:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0GEt8O7009437; Thu, 16 Jan 2003 09:55:08 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0GEt6Tr009422; Thu, 16 Jan 2003 09:55:06 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Brrr Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 09:51:40 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" References: <0301160633262N.02506@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> <3E26BE31.6981C039@patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <3E26BE31.6981C039@patriot.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0301160951402S.02506@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Thursday 16 January 2003 09:14, William J. Huson wrote: > > Carl Schelin wrote: > > 10 "actual"/10 "feels like" degrees at Manassas, 15/6 at Quantico, 21/9 > > at National Airport. > > > > I used the balaclava to seal the neck and had no neck problems this > > morning. > > > > I bought a new helmet yesterday. Shoei TK-1 (I guess). The vent seems to > > work at about 85 MPH :-/ (I wouldn't know since I didn't get that > > fast.) Maybe because of my long pointed nose. I could read my instruments > > fine and if I tilted my head back I could see the road clearly. I rigged > > up my scarf to hold it open just enough to get a better breeze. It wasn't > > perfect and I saw streetlights with a lovely halo but it wasn't blocked > > either. It has some gadget for holding the shield open at speeds but I'll > > have to adjust it from 1" to about 1/4". > > > > We went through all the helmets in the shop. Several of the XL's and > > XXL's I couldn't even get over my head. I really wanted one of the flip > > up's but they apparently don't sell one with a longer chin. The XXL's fit > > on the head but the chin guard compressed my chin very uncomfortably. > > > > Anyway, other than the wacky view I was fairly warm. I had my arctic > > socks on as well, good to -60 or something. Overall a good ride. > > > > I'm out of here NLT 2:30 though. I'm not riding in the snow with these > > maniacs :-) > > > > Off Topic: My wife's been stain-glassing as a hobby for a while (took a > > class a couple of years ago, dabbled a bit until recently when she dived > > in). She's put her first item up for sale on e-bay just in time for > > Valentine's day. > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2607738417 > > > > I'm sure she'll have others up since they're cluttering up the house :-) > > > > Later, > > > > Carl > > You're tougher than I am. Of course my scoot uses 20/50 oil, and at this > temp if I check the oil I have to *stab* the dipstick back in the goop. > That is a good clue that I should ride in the heated cage. In my youth, a > snowmobile suit and gauntlet gloves and I was good to go. Getting old and > cold sucks. Tis the Dodge fer me today. Hmm, mine uses 20/50 too. It's garaged though so I didn't get the *poke* it back into the oil but I wonder what the consistency is now since it sits outside. Back in the 70's, I had a snowmobile suit, army "trigger finger" mittens, an army face mask with the 3/4 helmet and a 6' green and white knitted scarf. I have a couple of pictures around the house and on the computer somewhere. > Stained glass is fun! One of the many crafts I sold when I had my > hobby/craft store. Of course I had to try it so I could demo the skill of > cutting glass, which I quickly decided was half skill, half luck. Using a > parallel glass cutter (wheels about 1/4 inch apart) and trying to cut a > narrow snake of glass improved my X rated vocabulary. Your wife's heart > project looks good. Coming soon, all those trips to craft fairs! > That's actually the plainest of the ones she's been working on. I'm looking forward to seeing the fancier ones coming on-line. She's been into beadwork for a long time and she's combining beads with stained glass. > Bill ---------------------------------------- Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"; name="Attachment: 1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: ---------------------------------------- -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 16 11:15:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0GGF9O7011074; Thu, 16 Jan 2003 11:15:09 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0GGF7SC011064; Thu, 16 Jan 2003 11:15:07 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <002701c2bd7a$dd847360$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Carl Schelin" , References: <0301160633262N.02506@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Subject: Re: Brrr Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 11:13:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl Schelin" > 10 "actual"/10 "feels like" degrees at Manassas, 15/6 at Quantico, 21/9 at > National Airport. > > I used the balaclava to seal the neck and had no neck problems this morning. > Brrr is right. "Feels like"?? :) Yeah, this morning on the bike, it felt like 21 degrees (F) with the wind blowing hard! Stayed toasty with the Gerbings, but I wouldn't have minded a fairing a little bigger than the VF500F's itsy-bitsy teenie-weenie black and blue paint bikini. There seems to be an intrepid couple commuting two-up on the GW Pkwy. these days. I passed them again today, but didn't get an ID on the bike. Paul in DC < Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0GGUIO7012370; Thu, 16 Jan 2003 11:30:18 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0GGUIBI012360; Thu, 16 Jan 2003 11:30:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: Subject: Re: Brrr Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 11:26:53 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" References: <0301160633262N.02506@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> <002701c2bd7a$dd847360$bb82fea9@palladio1> In-Reply-To: <002701c2bd7a$dd847360$bb82fea9@palladio1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <03011611265332.02506@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Thursday 16 January 2003 11:13, Paul Wilson wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Carl Schelin" > > > 10 "actual"/10 "feels like" degrees at Manassas, 15/6 at Quantico, 21/9 > > at National Airport. > > > > I used the balaclava to seal the neck and had no neck problems this > > morning. > > > Brrr is right. "Feels like"?? :) Yeah, this morning on the bike, it felt > like 21 degrees (F) with the wind blowing hard! Stayed toasty with the > Gerbings, but I wouldn't have minded a fairing a little bigger than the > VF500F's itsy-bitsy teenie-weenie black and blue paint bikini. > Watch out for what you wish for. I thought I needed a windshield. I spent $300 on it and discovered that it made it worse. No shield this morning and everything's fine. It did help with the carpal tunnel though (so far at least). Nice to see the Gerbings are working great. For longer than 30 minutes at speed, I'd have to throw on my rainpants between the long johns and the jeans. > There seems to be an intrepid couple commuting two-up on the GW Pkwy. these > days. I passed them again today, but didn't get an ID on the bike. > Yea, but that's not at 80 :-) > Paul in DC < of the office Nah, just take the battery out of the bike and take it with you. > 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - IBA # 12143 Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 16 14:20:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0GJKGO7014529; Thu, 16 Jan 2003 14:20:16 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0GJKFbP014519; Thu, 16 Jan 2003 14:20:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F1451534B@dchqclexhq.fsis.usda.gov> From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Cc: "'purdyjeremy@XXXXXX'" Subject: Accessory Plug Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 14:21:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain Jeremy Purdy proposed, "I am looking for an accessory plug to mount on my V-Star. I found this one at Dennis Kirk that looks good: http://www.denniskirk.com/powervendor/details/detail.asp?serverid=nlHarley&P artNo=H40103 The bonus is that it comes with all the wiring, inline fuse, etc." Head to Wal-Mart or Auto Zone, you'll recognize those parts for ~$6 total. Hot-glue the lighter guts into a free 35 mm film canister. Double strap the canister your handle bar with zip ties or SS hose clamps. Because your bike likely has the newer blade fuses, get a blade fuse holder instead of the buss fuse. (Interchangeability is a Good Thing) If you want the plug hot all the time, hook it to your battery. If you want it hot only when the ignition is on, spring for a 30 amp relay ($4 - $6). If you also want it switchable, add a $2 switch. if you want it switched on only when moving, uh add a flag and spring to the switch? [JP]: "Do I need to take any special steps to waterproof said accessory plug?" [CC} Keep the canister lid; attach it with a thread, chain, or zip tie -- or -- pick up a "Power Outlet" for ~ $8.00. It has a plastic cover. Solder all connections, shrink wrap or tape 'em gud. Carl in Brr-thesda (Parsimonious Motorsickle Ee-lek-trishun) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 16 16:34:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0GLY0O7016923; Thu, 16 Jan 2003 16:34:00 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0GLXx3n016911; Thu, 16 Jan 2003 16:33:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <004701c2bd9d$20b76440$36805c0c@micron> From: "Mobacc \(now @ATT\)" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: A Mugee Takes Charge in DC Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 15:23:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 In Adams Morgan a fellow got mugged, then DC-LEO-snubbed. So he's annoyed and creating a citizen voice. Surely open to anyone with major DC-traffic problems too. Todays WP article: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A63802-2003Jan16.html (noticed that recent signing-in not required for me. ???) His site: http://safestreetsdc.com/ (Query: Is this a Net groundbreaker? Also, check the "DC Cops Click Here". Can site-mail be truly anonymous? Hopefully so, but . . ..) Bill S. / DC '99 VN750 > Try to mug me and the whole Ninja world is upon you. Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 16 17:32:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0GMWKO7019547; Thu, 16 Jan 2003 17:32:20 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0GMWJew019540; Thu, 16 Jan 2003 17:32:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <01e801c2bdaf$8f560160$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Mobacc \(now @ATT\)" , "DC-Cycles" References: <004701c2bd9d$20b76440$36805c0c@micron> Subject: Re: A Mugee Takes Charge in DC Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 17:34:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 I read it this morning as well. Glad to see someone is finally countering Chief Ramsey's PR machine a little bit. Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - IBA # 12143 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mobacc (now @ATT)" > In Adams Morgan a fellow got mugged, then DC-LEO-snubbed. So he's annoyed > and creating a citizen voice. Surely open to anyone with major DC-traffic > problems too. > > Todays WP article: > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A63802-2003Jan16.html (noticed > that recent signing-in not required for me. ???) > > His site: http://safestreetsdc.com/ (Query: Is this a Net groundbreaker? > Also, check the "DC Cops Click Here". Can site-mail be truly anonymous? > Hopefully so, but . . ..) > > Bill S. / DC > '99 VN750 > Try to mug me and the whole Ninja world is upon you. > Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 16 18:14:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0GNEuO7020977; Thu, 16 Jan 2003 18:14:56 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0GNEtp3020967; Thu, 16 Jan 2003 18:14:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030116231453.32824.qmail@web13303.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 15:14:53 -0800 (PST) From: Tchaka Subject: FS: 1997 Yamaha YZF 1000 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi, I'm posting this for a friend. '97 Yamaha YZF1000, red/white, excellent condition. Just over 8000 miles, Corbin seat If interested, email him at: andy.bell@XXXXXX Tchaka __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 16 21:39:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0H2dYO7026521; Thu, 16 Jan 2003 21:39:34 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0H2dWi7026511; Thu, 16 Jan 2003 21:39:32 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030117023930.48320.qmail@web9604.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 18:39:30 -0800 (PST) From: John Kozyn Subject: Re: FS: 1997 Yamaha YZF 1000 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Tchaka Hi, I'm posting this for a friend. '97 Yamaha YZF1000, red/white, excellent condition. Just over 8000 miles, Corbin seat If interested, email him at: andy.bell@XXXXXX ================== Is this the bike that's parked outside (w/o a cover ;) on 27th and P St. ? JK __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 17 09:53:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0HErnO7031657; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 09:53:49 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0HErm7R031646; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 09:53:48 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E281790.4634DA87@carlparker.com> Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 09:47:44 -0500 From: Carl Parker X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en,zh-CN MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DCCycles Subject: Re: Accessory Plug Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Carl croned: >Hot-glue the lighter guts into a free 35 mm film canister. This Carl croaked: THE FILM CANNISTER RIDES AGAIN!!! :) Carl Parker :P ---------------------------- 82' Magna v45 - "Mystery Ship" 98 Bandist 12S - ---------------------------- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 17 12:49:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0HHncO7001313; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 12:49:38 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0HHnb9s001303; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 12:49:37 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: when the mob gets down to 1 member Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 12:53:36 -0500 Message-ID: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.91/32.564 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id h0HHnaO7001290 when storm is the last remaining mob member, let me know. I will absolutely love the mob! I mean that! really I do! Sike nah, I'm just kidding. A lot has changed. Since last year and in the past week. Seems like the mob has lost some of the good and some of the bad... but anyway... put me on record saying I'm cool. I ain't got no negative jokes for real. Y'all coool with meeeee. Oh yea and as a token of good will, storm should come running to my loving arms for a big long huggggggggggggggggg...... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 17 13:00:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0HI04O7003222; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 13:00:04 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0HI03rt003212; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 13:00:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E2843E2.F1665483@tasam.com> Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 12:56:50 -0500 From: Skip Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: when the mob gets down to 1 member References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Motor PsychoL Danny wrote: > > when storm is the last remaining mob member, let me know. I will > absolutely love the mob! I mean that! really I do! > > Sike nah, I'm just kidding. A lot has changed. Since last year and > in the past week. Seems like the mob has lost some of the good and > some of the bad... > > but anyway... put me on record saying I'm cool. I ain't got no > negative jokes for real. Y'all coool with meeeee. > > Oh yea and as a token of good will, storm should come running to my > loving arms for a big long huggggggggggggggggg...... did I miss something? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 17 13:05:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0HI5sO7004522; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 13:05:54 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0HI5sFQ004512; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 13:05:54 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: Motor PsychoL Danny , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: when the mob gets down to 1 member Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 13:02:30 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0301171302303P.02506@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Friday 17 January 2003 12:53, Motor PsychoL Danny wrote: > when storm is the last remaining mob member, let me know. I will > absolutely love the mob! I mean that! really I do! > > Sike nah, I'm just kidding. A lot has changed. Since last year and > in the past week. Seems like the mob has lost some of the good and > some of the bad... > > but anyway... put me on record saying I'm cool. I ain't got no > negative jokes for real. Y'all coool with meeeee. > > Oh yea and as a token of good will, storm should come running to my > loving arms for a big long huggggggggggggggggg...... Cross posting is so much fun. Or else he left his machine on unattended. I once sent a message to everyone at the company when someone left their mail client logged in overnight. Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 17 13:06:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0HI6JO7004572; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 13:06:19 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0HI6J7X004566; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 13:06:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E2844F1.9070108@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 13:01:21 -0500 From: Tom de User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.2) Gecko/20021126 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: when the mob gets down to 1 member References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Motor PsychoL Danny wrote: >when storm is the last remaining mob member, let me know. I will >absolutely love the mob! I mean that! really I do! > >Sike nah, I'm just kidding. A lot has changed. Since last year and >in the past week. Seems like the mob has lost some of the good and >some of the bad... > >but anyway... put me on record saying I'm cool. I ain't got no >negative jokes for real. Y'all coool with meeeee. > >Oh yea and as a token of good will, storm should come running to my >loving arms for a big long huggggggggggggggggg...... > > Uh, wha...? tom de '98 vtr > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 17 13:06:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0HI6sO7004625; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 13:06:54 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0HI6si3004618; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 13:06:54 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: OT: Gaming Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 13:03:37 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0301171303373Q.02506@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Gamers call: Quake III 7pm Saturday. Quake III and WarCraft III Monday 9am setup, 10am start. Let me know if you're attending so info can be passed around. Evil Overlord Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 17 13:23:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0HIN2O7009001; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 13:23:02 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0HIN206008991; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 13:23:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: when the mob gets down to 1 member Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 13:27:02 -0500 Message-ID: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.91/32.564 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id h0HIN0O7008974 Woops wrong email address! :) that was supposed to go to a bike club called "dodge city mob riders" appartently the "mob - men on bikes" are losing members calling each other liars, and they have this one hot chick called storm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 17 13:34:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0HIYPO7010877; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 13:34:25 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0HIYP4R010866; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 13:34:25 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E284DF2.51D0E689@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 13:39:46 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Motor PsychoL Danny CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: when the mob gets down to 1 member References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Motor PsychoL Danny wrote: > Woops wrong email address! :) > > that was supposed to go to a bike club called "dodge city mob riders" > appartently the "mob - men on bikes" are losing members calling each > other liars, and they have this one hot chick called storm That's a relief. I was going to inquire what you've been smoking and if you were going to pass it around. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 17 14:07:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0HJ7jO7012383; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 14:07:45 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0HJ7jw4012372; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 14:07:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030117190735.63930.qmail@web41109.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 11:07:35 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: o'reilly shreds pena To: DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <3E284DF2.51D0E689@patriot.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii bill o'reilly put a hurtin' on chuck today. it was rather ugly. we're considering taking donations for a nice flower arrangement.... i was thinking dandelions. who's in? -- tg __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 17 14:15:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0HJFUO7014261; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 14:15:30 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0HJFUhn014248; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 14:15:30 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: o'reilly shreds pena Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 14:12:12 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <20030117190735.63930.qmail@web41109.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20030117190735.63930.qmail@web41109.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0301171412123U.02506@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Friday 17 January 2003 14:07, Tom Gimer wrote: > bill o'reilly put a hurtin' on chuck today. it was rather > ugly. > > we're considering taking donations for a nice flower > arrangement.... i was thinking dandelions. who's in? > Is this another message that was supposed to go to a different list? Don't mind me, I'm just counting the last 20 minutes before going home. Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 17 14:17:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0HJHqO7014927; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 14:17:52 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0HJHpeI014912; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 14:17:51 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [166.94.9.205] From: "Jeff Wisecarver" To: angryalin@XXXXXX, CaseyWisec@XXXXXX, cathkrill@XXXXXX, wisecarver@XXXXXX, adidave@XXXXXX, evan_gay@XXXXXX, hokiejess@XXXXXX, Trillian32@XXXXXX, kentwisecarver@XXXXXX, nathan.wisecarver@XXXXXX Cc: RAboulafia@XXXXXX Subject: FWD:Sheepish Tale Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 14:17:26 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Jan 2003 19:17:27.0619 (UTC) FILETIME=[12C8F130:01C2BE5D] stole this from the hawk motorcycle list ...pretty funny true story. ----------- Jeffrey C. Wisecarver jeff_wisecarver@XXXXXX Home (703)780-5421 Cell (540)435-5416 Work (703)550-9740 ext. 239 '89 RED Warning: The following narrative is not politically correct, and should not be read at mealtime. That said, while reading it I laughed so hard that I had tears rolling down my cheeks. This story has real potential as a 15-minute film. ====================================================================== Selden Deemer Atlanta, Georgia EMAIL: libssd@XXXXXX ====================================================================== (Dave's an American, stationed in a NATO base in the Netherlands, and this was taken from the BMW GS list) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Interesting morning for me. I was cruising in to work using the back gate entrance when I went 1 vs. 2 with sheep (plural). The back road to GK (Geilenkirchen) Airbase is a tasty little road that is actually on in the NL/German border. GK is unique in the fact that it actually touches two countries, and the rear exit is actually in the Netherlands. Anyway I'm cruising along and spot something(s) in a ditch. I was running the ID matrix when the somethings scattered two on to the road. They were sheep. Luckily there were the local "punk" sheep which are pretty small, If they would have been Aussie or Navajo spec units I would be probably writing this with a straw. Anyway-> The I struck the first one with the right "jug" right on it its wooly little noggin. the second one I hit/ ran over its rear end. It happened in a flash. I would like think it was my quick thinking and lightning reflexes that kept me up, but it was probably blind panic and unholy luck. I came to a stop and basically did the "Holy Fu-- what the hell just happened?" check list. There was a school bus behind me , so he stopped and being a good German, he called the cops. I checked my bike and incredibly there is no visible damage just fur bone, blood and sheep feces (now cooking on the pipes) >. Mishap: animal number 1 is laying in the road doing it best James Brown on crack impression frothing blood and basically dying a slow painful death. I can't really describe the sounds, but I now know what a camel stuck in an accordion must sound like. The driver tells me that he has called the cops and that they should be here momentarily. Moments are measured in 15 min increments in Europe. During this time the kids from the bus have piled out and are watching in horror as sheep num 1 plays out its last moments. Little girls are crying, boys are poking it with a stick , and I now realize to these kids I am for all intents and purposes I am the sheep slaying Anti-Christ and poor "Brunhilda III" is my pale horse. 30 min later the German 5-0 shows up. They talk to the bus driver and tell him he can go. About this time the Dutch cops show up. Which I figured was cool because they will speak English. Not that simple. They were there for a reason. The German heat called them because apparently I hit the sheep in the Netherlands but the body ended up in Germany...... Oh joy, now it is a Trans border incident. A few minutes later a detachment from the base International Military Police show up, dispatched because it was a Auto (moto?) Accident involving NATO personnel, so now we have Two German Cops, Two Dutch cops, A Norwegian Staff Sergeant and a Greek Captain plus a German civilian "translator" who really served no point because everyone there spoke English... most better than him. It is now that the second sheep decides to make its presence known. It has an obviously crushed pelvis and is dragging its rear around and generally making a mess... The Greek Captain obviously know sheep and pronounces her done for. (How the hell can you tell the sex of a sheep from 25 meters out?) Anyway-> He said you "someone needs to put it out of its misery". So we all looked at the Dutch police since it was on their side of the road. The Senior Dutch cops said with what? I said " Um a gun?" They said "We are a traffic unit we don't carry fire arms" they said it in such a way that implied that was an obvious fact. I responded "what kind of cop doesn't carry a gun?" SSGt Jensen (Norwegian) leaned over and said "Dutch ones apparently". I then realized the Germans weren't wearing any iron either. They saw me looking and said "oh we have Fire arms....they are in the car, but we can't take them in to the Netherlands..." Great do you have to call Andy and ask if you can load them? Now I am thinking, "Dude it's across the road, and it wouldn't be the first time armed Germans crossed uninvited....." Jensen at this point asks if we carry the sheep over here can you (the Germans) shoot it. The Germans ask him why he doesn't shoot it. He replies he is only allowed to use his weapon on base or in self defense... Lesson learned: Wounded sheep don't want to be picked up. At first we try to gently heard it towards the father land, and it is doing a good job of dodging us. It simply won't cross the road. Seven grown men can't mange to get one crippled sheep contained. I'm starting to get pissed. I'm an hour late, my bike is covered in crap (literally). So pick up a stick and take a swing out of frustration and actually mange to connect with poor little bastard, Jensen grabs a stick and we soon are clubbing the hell out of this thing. It just will not die. I am hammering away at its skull with a good sized log/club and Jensen's big Viking ass is pounding home like Big Mac and this things is just stumbling and bleating and bleeding. I'm cussing and screaming "Die you SOB just F----ing die" Finally it gives up the ghost and Jensen and I are high fiveing and generally making asses out of our selves. We look up to see the Dutch cops looking at us with absolute horror. The Germans are looking a bit confused and real not certain what to do. The Greek Captain was looking on with a bit of amusement and said "so much for the picnic". There were several cars stopped and I realized what I must look like to them holding a bloody stick wearing my Dainese body armor and splattered with streaks of blood... Oh I am definitely not going to get the key to the city this year. So with "THAT" out of the way I end up doing the paperwork with Dutch cops. They ask for my insurance and registration the usual. They wanted to know that if the owner came forward did I want him to contact me directly or base legal. I said Eh don't worry about it, there doesn't seem to be any damage to my bike. They seemed confused, then Jensen explained....no they want you to pay for the sheep. I said "You gotta be Fu---ing kidding me?" " R U people out your GD minds? What the hell R U babbling about? You want ME who was using a public road , to pay for two unauthorized, escape, border jumping sheep? What the hell are you smoking?" They seemed a little taken a back, and said "but you hit them" I replied "of course I hit them, they were in the damn road, it's not like I was cruising through a barn.' They replied, "sorry my friend that is the law". Sh-- - I don't even like mutton after all that time in Saudi. Oh well I guess I will have a Bar-B-Q or something. Guess what. You don't get to keep the sheep. Ain't that a bitch? I may have to pay some numbnutz a fist full of Marks (maybe guilders) and I don't even get to keep the sheep. Color me pissed. Maybe I should charge them vet fees for my act of Euthanasia. Hasta Dave _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM: Try the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 17 14:18:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0HJIGO7015537; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 14:18:16 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0HJIGGZ015533; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 14:18:16 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030117191759.22668.qmail@web41107.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 11:17:59 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: o'reilly shreds pena To: Carl Schelin , DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <0301171412123U.02506@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Carl Schelin wrote: > On Friday 17 January 2003 14:07, Tom Gimer wrote: > > bill o'reilly put a hurtin' on chuck today. it was > rather > > ugly. > > > > we're considering taking donations for a nice flower > > arrangement.... i was thinking dandelions. who's in? > > > > Is this another message that was supposed to go to a > different list? nope. chuck is a lister. he was on the radio today. > Don't mind me, I'm just counting the last 20 minutes > before going home. nice hours! -- tg __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 17 14:29:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0HJTUO7018112; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 14:29:30 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0HJTTUb018102; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 14:29:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: o'reilly shreds pena Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 14:26:12 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <20030117191759.22668.qmail@web41107.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20030117191759.22668.qmail@web41107.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0301171426123V.02506@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Friday 17 January 2003 14:17, Tom Gimer wrote: > --- Carl Schelin wrote: > > On Friday 17 January 2003 14:07, Tom Gimer wrote: > > > bill o'reilly put a hurtin' on chuck today. it was > > > > rather > > > > > ugly. > > > > > > we're considering taking donations for a nice flower > > > arrangement.... i was thinking dandelions. who's in? > > > > Is this another message that was supposed to go to a > > different list? > > nope. chuck is a lister. he was on the radio today. > Ahh, I guess I don't listen to the radio down here in the dungeon of dispair. > > Don't mind me, I'm just counting the last 20 minutes > > before going home. > > nice hours! > Well, 6am to 2:30 isn't bad. I get here between 5:30 and 6. With the after hours work, I fairly regularly put in 95 hour pay periods and I'm at 110 this 80 hour period. And I don't get overtime/comp time/what-have-you. > > -- > tg > Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 17 14:32:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0HJWpO7019451; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 14:32:51 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0HJWpCg019444; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 14:32:51 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <200301171932.QBY92961@vmms2.verisignmail.com> Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 14:32:54 -0500 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: o'reilly shreds pena To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mirapoint Webmail Direct 2.9.3.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >> On Friday 17 January 2003 14:07, Tom Gimer gloated: >> > bill o'reilly put a hurtin' on chuck today. it was >> rather >> > ugly. >> > >> > we're considering taking donations for a nice flower >> > arrangement.... i was thinking dandelions. who's in? [Dave] For the benefit of the rest of us, who are radio signal challenged, what was the topic, and what are the gory details... Shouldn't we get him pansies instead ? ;^) I've seen Chuck on Fox about half a dozen times & he's done well every time... Last time, they even called him "Chuck" not "Charles"... Maybe it was an off day... Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 17 14:42:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0HJgnO7020152; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 14:42:49 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0HJgnfK020146; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 14:42:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [12.3.60.40] From: "Jeannette Zell" To: t_gimer@XXXXXX, cschelin@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: o'reilly shreds pena Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 14:23:41 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Jan 2003 19:23:41.0358 (UTC) FILETIME=[F18CFCE0:01C2BE5D] DETAILS!!! :D - Jeannette '86 VFR 700F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 >From: Tom Gimer >To: Carl Schelin , DC Cycles > >Subject: Re: o'reilly shreds pena >Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 11:17:59 -0800 (PST) > >--- Carl Schelin wrote: > > On Friday 17 January 2003 14:07, Tom Gimer wrote: > > > bill o'reilly put a hurtin' on chuck today. it was > > rather > > > ugly. > > > > > > we're considering taking donations for a nice flower > > > arrangement.... i was thinking dandelions. who's in? > > > > > > > Is this another message that was supposed to go to a > > different list? > >nope. chuck is a lister. he was on the radio today. > > > > > Don't mind me, I'm just counting the last 20 minutes > > before going home. > >nice hours! > > >-- >tg > >__________________________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! 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Sign up now. >http://mailplus.yahoo.com _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 17 14:48:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0HJmZO7021474; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 14:48:35 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0HJmZdm021463; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 14:48:35 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVbGpsadiONVhO2a3b9HZl8uk3qz9qhn90eT2hkXeXB/IxinxuxqFRi8Bs5IyZIRusg= From: "Jon Strang" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: RE: when the mob gets down to 1 member Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 14:48:37 -0500 Message-ID: <98746331CB7A8845BDB93F3574AD2B8307C325@CORPMAIL1.ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: <98746331CB7A8845BDB93F3574AD2B830A36A7@CORPMAIL1.ddlomni.com> Importance: Normal I would've gone with the "left the computer unattended" excuse. --jon ----- Motor PsychoL Danny wrote: Woops wrong email address! :) that was supposed to go to a bike club called "dodge city mob riders" appartently the "mob - men on bikes" are losing members calling each other liars, and they have this one hot chick called storm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 17 14:58:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0HJwZO7023681; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 14:58:35 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0HJwYTW023673; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 14:58:34 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Subject: Re: o'reilly shreds pena Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 14:00:00 -0600 Message-ID: <5FF38C7F4A347F47B8AB4453B2A530BD013E1001@nt-hqexbh1.boiseoffice.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Re: o'reilly shreds pena Thread-Index: AcK+YsgRn8eCYnmxQ3iEEgXmQRuk6w== From: To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id h0HJwXO7023656 Where is Chuck? Are you going to take this S$^t...? >>> Tom Gimer 01/17/03 02:07PM >>> bill o'reilly put a hurtin' on chuck today. it was rather ugly. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 17 15:03:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0HK3sO7024402; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 15:03:54 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0HK3s39024394; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 15:03:54 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030117200345.76486.qmail@web41109.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 12:03:45 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: o'reilly shreds pena To: Dave Yates , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <200301171932.QBY92961@vmms2.verisignmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Dave Yates wrote: > >> On Friday 17 January 2003 14:07, Tom Gimer gloated: > >> > bill o'reilly put a hurtin' on chuck today. it was > >> rather > >> > ugly. > >> > > >> > we're considering taking donations for a nice flower > >> > arrangement.... i was thinking dandelions. who's > in? > > [Dave] For the benefit of the rest of us, who are radio > signal challenged, what was the topic, and what are the > gory details... the subject was iraq. i don't recall specifics other than o'reilly forcing "charles" to admit that he felt saddam was ruggedly attractive. > Shouldn't we get him pansies instead ? ;^) good call. i'm game. > I've seen Chuck on Fox about half a dozen times & he's > done > well every time... Last time, they even called him > "Chuck" > not "Charles"... Maybe it was an off day... charles actually did fine -- defending his organization's postions. i was just so happy to hear his voice that i wanted to spread the news of his interview. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 17 15:14:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0HKEjO7026360; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 15:14:45 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0HKEjJ2026350; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 15:14:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <200301172014.QBY98908@vmms2.verisignmail.com> Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 15:14:43 -0500 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: o'reilly shreds pena To: Tom Gimer Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mirapoint Webmail Direct 2.9.3.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gimer went on... >the subject was iraq. i don't recall specifics other than >o'reilly forcing "charles" to admit that he felt saddam was >ruggedly attractive. [Dave] That's it? I mean from the intro, I thought maybe Bill sodomized him with the microphone or something... > >> Shouldn't we get him pansies instead ? ;^) > >good call. i'm game.... > >charles actually did fine -- defending his organization's >postions. i was just so happy to hear his voice that i >wanted to spread the news of his interview. [Dave] You weren't by chance doing... unspeakable things whilst listening in, now, were you Tom ? ? ? ;-) Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jan 17 21:55:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0I2tkO7001158; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 21:55:46 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0I2tiSp001150; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 21:55:44 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 21:20:37 -0500 Subject: Annual MARRC Banquet Next Week!!! Message-ID: <20030117.214801.-545897.6.CelticRacing@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 4-5,8-18,20-22,24,26,28,30-31,33,35-37,39-43 From: Tom Fitzpatrick If you enjoy racing at Summit Point, you enjoy the selfless dedication of the MARRC gang - safety crew, road racing school, and a host of other key members. If you'd like to meet them without getting picked up off the track, or working with them, consider coming out for this great, annual event. Melinda Beggs, child bride and better half of Fast Lane Cycles' Rick Beggs, is now a MARRC Board member, Treasurer, and this year's banquet coordinator. Give her a call or an email and get signed up today! See you there. Tom Fitzpatrick --------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Randy Dalmas To: MARRC Announce Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 21:02:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: [MARRC-announce] Its not too late!! It's not to late to register for the annual MARRC Awards Banquet to be held on January 25th, 2003 at the Holiday Inn in Tysons Corner, VA. Although the registration deadline has passed there are a limited number of spaces still available. So won't you make plans to join us in congratulating all of the hard working volunterers within the MARRC organization that helps to make racing at Summit Point as wonderful as it is! Awards such as lightweight amatuer, middleweight expert and the crash and burn (augh!) will also be presented to racers that were voted upon by MARRC members. Admission is $30.00 per person. The evening includes a buffet dinner with the cash bar opening at 6:00 p.m. for a one-hour social hour and will be available all night. You can call me at (703) 335-2017 or e-mail me at rickbeggs@XXXXXX before January 20th to claim your spot at this fun filled evening! Melinda M. Beggs MARRC Volunteer Incentive Program and Banquet Coordinator (703) 335-2017 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jan 18 09:34:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0IEYaO7006340; Sat, 18 Jan 2003 09:34:36 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0IEYXh5006325; Sat, 18 Jan 2003 09:34:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Reply-To: From: "Michael H. Moore" To: Subject: Sheepish Tale Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 09:51:43 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20030117.214801.-545897.6.CelticRacing@juno.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Here is a story that I was forwarded from another list. It's so nasty..... I had to pass it on. mike Warning: The following narrative is not politically correct, and should not be read at mealtime. That said, while reading it I laughed so hard that I had tears rolling down my cheeks. This story has real potential as a 15-minute film. (Dave's an American, stationed in a NATO base in the Netherlands, and this was taken from the BMW GS list) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Interesting morning for me. I was cruising in to work using the back gate entrance when I went 1 vs. 2 with sheep (plural). The back road to GK (Geilenkirchen) Airbase is a tasty little road that is actually on in the NL/German border. GK is unique in the fact that it actually touches two countries, and the rear exit is actually in the Netherlands. Anyway I'm cruising along and spot something(s) in a ditch. I was running the ID matrix when the somethings scattered two on to the road. They were sheep. Luckily there were the local "punk" sheep which are pretty small, If they would have been Aussie or Navajo spec units I would be probably writing this with a straw. Anyway-> The I struck the first one with the right "jug" right on it its wooly little noggin. the second one I hit/ ran over its rear end. It happened in a flash. I would like think it was my quick thinking and lightning reflexes that kept me up, but it was probably blind panic and unholy luck. I came to a stop and basically did the "Holy Fu-- what the hell just happened?" check list. There was a school bus behind me , so he stopped and being a good German, he called the cops. I checked my bike and incredibly there is no visible damage just fur bone, blood and sheep feces (now cooking on the pipes) >. Mishap: animal number 1 is laying in the road doing it best James Brown on crack impression frothing blood and basically dying a slow painful death. I can't really describe the sounds, but I now know what a camel stuck in an accordion must sound like. The driver tells me that he has called the cops and that they should be here momentarily. Moments are measured in 15 min increments in Europe. During this time the kids from the bus have piled out and are watching in horror as sheep num 1 plays out its last moments. Little girls are crying, boys are poking it with a stick , and I now realize to these kids I am for all intents and purposes I am the sheep slaying Anti-Christ and poor "Brunhilda III" is my pale horse. 30 min later the German 5-0 shows up. They talk to the bus driver and tell him he can go. About this time the Dutch cops show up. Which I figured was cool because they will speak English. Not that simple. They were there for a reason. The German heat called them because apparently I hit the sheep in the Netherlands but the body ended up in Germany...... Oh joy, now it is a Trans border incident. A few minutes later a detachment from the base International Military Police show up, dispatched because it was a Auto (moto?) Accident involving NATO personnel, so now we have Two German Cops, Two Dutch cops, A Norwegian Staff Sergeant and a Greek Captain plus a German civilian "translator" who really served no point because everyone there spoke English... most better than him. It is now that the second sheep decides to make its presence known. It has an obviously crushed pelvis and is dragging its rear around and generally making a mess... The Greek Captain obviously know sheep and pronounces her done for. (How the hell can you tell the sex of a sheep from 25 meters out?) Anyway-> He said you "someone needs to put it out of its misery". So we all looked at the Dutch police since it was on their side of the road. The Senior Dutch cops said with what? I said " Um a gun?" They said "We are a traffic unit we don't carry fire arms" they said it in such a way that implied that was an obvious fact. I responded "what kind of cop doesn't carry a gun?" SSGt Jensen (Norwegian) leaned over and said "Dutch ones apparently". I then realized the Germans weren't wearing any iron either. They saw me looking and said "oh we have Fire arms....they are in the car, but we can't take them in to the Netherlands..." Great do you have to call Andy and ask if you can load them? Now I am thinking, "Dude it's across the road, and it wouldn't be the first time armed Germans crossed uninvited....." Jensen at this point asks if we carry the sheep over here can you (the Germans) shoot it. The Germans ask him why he doesn't shoot it. He replies he is only allowed to use his weapon on base or in self defense... Lesson learned: Wounded sheep don't want to be picked up. At first we try to gently heard it towards the father land, and it is doing a good job of dodging us. It simply won't cross the road. Seven grown men can't mange to get one crippled sheep contained. I'm starting to get pissed. I'm an hour late, my bike is covered in crap (literally). So pick up a stick and take a swing out of frustration and actually mange to connect with poor little bastard, Jensen grabs a stick and we soon are clubbing the hell out of this thing. It just will not die. I am hammering away at its skull with a good sized log/club and Jensen's big Viking ass is pounding home like Big Mac and this things is just stumbling and bleating and bleeding. I'm cussing and screaming "Die you SOB just F----ing die" Finally it gives up the ghost and Jensen and I are high fiveing and generally making asses out of our selves. We look up to see the Dutch cops looking at us with absolute horror. The Germans are looking a bit confused and real not certain what to do. The Greek Captain was looking on with a bit of amusement and said "so much for the picnic". There were several cars stopped and I realized what I must look like to them holding a bloody stick wearing my Dainese body armor and splattered with streaks of blood... Oh I am definitely not going to get the key to the city this year. So with "THAT" out of the way I end up doing the paperwork with Dutch cops. They ask for my insurance and registration the usual. They wanted to know that if the owner came forward did I want him to contact me directly or base legal. I said Eh don't worry about it, there doesn't seem to be any damage to my bike. They seemed confused, then Jensen explained....no they want you to pay for the sheep. I said "You gotta be Fu---ing kidding me?" " R U people out your GD minds? What the hell R U babbling about? You want ME who was using a public road , to pay for two unauthorized, escape, border jumping sheep? What the hell are you smoking?" They seemed a little taken a back, and said "but you hit them" I replied "of course I hit them, they were in the damn road, it's not like I was cruising through a barn.' They replied, "sorry my friend that is the law". Sh-- - I don't even like mutton after all that time in Saudi. Oh well I guess I will have a Bar-B-Q or something. Guess what. You don't get to keep the sheep. Ain't that a bitch? I may have to pay some numbnutz a fist full of Marks (maybe guilders) and I don't even get to keep the sheep. Color me pissed. Maybe I should charge them vet fees for my act of Euthanasia. Hasta Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jan 19 11:52:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0JGq3O7030855; Sun, 19 Jan 2003 11:52:03 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0JGpu1S030846; Sun, 19 Jan 2003 11:51:56 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <023f01c2bfdb$123a5130$732f2c42@D7XFG711> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: Brrr, or a Gerbing's workout Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 11:51:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 The roads were dry and the sun was out so I decided to go out for a spin yesterday afternoon. The arctic has moved south for a while, so much so that my overnight trip with a couple of folks for this weekend was put off in hopes of more hospitable temperatures in a few weeks. Still, I managed to go for a three-hour ride, out to Harper's Ferry and the West Virginia Panhandle and scored two National Parks stamps in the process. I don't think the temperatures exceeded 20 degrees. I pulled out all the stops on the winter gear, heavy duty bicycling tights under the Motoport Ultra II pants, two pairs of socks, including the Gerbings heated socks. Long-sleeve shirt, Gerbing jacket liner on top of that, then a cotton sweater, then the Motoport Ultra II. Aerostich Shellaclava over my head and neck. With all this stuff, and the resultant Michelin Man waddle off the bike, I stayed acceptably warm, although not tropical, with the heat turned on full tilt. Despite the Shellaclava, I still get a bit of a cold draft in the face in my Shoei RF800. This is the first ride into the twisties I've taken on my new set of Bridgestones (BT010 up front, BT020 in the rear). New rubber feels so good. The bike felt very stable and there were no "moments of concern" except for one minor gravel slide. The VFR seems unfazed by the lower temperature. Super cold fluid in the suspension does make the ride a little harsh. The tires seem to warm up fast, even in these temperatures. I'm impressed. I pushed a little harder than I would on the Dunlops D207s in similar conditions. The weather folks here on TV are fond of saying, "16 degrees, feels like minus 2 degrees with the wind." On the VFR it's "16 degrees, feels like YEEEEEOOWWWWWW" inside the helmet at about 70 unless you stay in a tuck in the dead air pocket behind the stock windshield. Still, great to be out and about instead of having a bout of PMS. More cold weather on the way; I see we may have single digits for lows next week to test rider and machine some more. Paul in DC 95 VFR - 86 VF500F - IBA # 12143 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jan 19 13:22:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0JIMSO7000659; Sun, 19 Jan 2003 13:22:28 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0JIMRes000649; Sun, 19 Jan 2003 13:22:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [67.200.190.235] From: "Greg Thompson" To: Subject: fork seal driver tool Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 13:11:10 -0500 Message-ID: <000001c2bfe6$24efbdf0$0100a8c0@firehead> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Jan 2003 18:11:07.0035 (UTC) FILETIME=[22FF86B0:01C2BFE6] does anyone out there have a fork seal driver for a 41mm showa fork that i could borrow (or just use for a few minutes)? preferably someone near arlington? i need it for my cb-1, but it's a fairly common fork. email me directly if you can help out. thanks. i'm also open to suggestions for other clever ways to drive in a new seal. i've tried using the old seal, but i seem to be able to get it in there only so far. -- -greg From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jan 19 15:12:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0JKC3O7003116; Sun, 19 Jan 2003 15:12:03 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0JKC2xr003106; Sun, 19 Jan 2003 15:12:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 15:11:59 -0500 Subject: Re: fork seal driver tool From: Stephen Miller To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000001c2bfe6$24efbdf0$0100a8c0@firehead> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Plastic (PVC?) tubing from Home Depot/Lowe's. It needs to be just the right diameter to fit around the smaller fork tube but still make good contact with the seal. on 1/19/03 1:11 PM, Greg Thompson at johnnyteardrop@XXXXXX wrote: > > i'm also open to suggestions for other clever ways to drive in a new > seal. i've tried using the old seal, but i seem to be able to get it in > there only so far. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jan 19 15:16:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0JKGRO7005072; Sun, 19 Jan 2003 15:16:27 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0JKGRvD005064; Sun, 19 Jan 2003 15:16:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <02c901c2bff7$81671900$7a5dfea9@mikescomputer> From: "Michael R. Cecchini" To: "DC Cycles" References: Subject: Re: fork seal driver tool Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 15:15:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH LOGIN at out005.verizon.net from [141.156.150.238] at Sun, 19 Jan 2003 14:16:16 -0600 That's what she said. *************************************** >......... i've tried using the old seal, but i seem to be able to get it in > > there only so far. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jan 19 15:20:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0JKKhO7007032; Sun, 19 Jan 2003 15:20:43 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0JKKhtE007019; Sun, 19 Jan 2003 15:20:43 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 15:36:58 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen X-Sender: To: Subject: Pocketbike Racing? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII We had a great day over at AllsportsGP yesterday (some pics - http://www.gotmilkracing.com/Albums/?mode=album&album=BOYB-2003&dispsize=640 ), but someone in my car club mentioned that there was a track in MD similar to Allsports, but you could race Pocketbikes. Does anyone know if that's true and if so, where is it? Thanks! -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jan 19 16:39:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0JLdkO7009936; Sun, 19 Jan 2003 16:39:46 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0JLdjbY009926; Sun, 19 Jan 2003 16:39:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030119213942.58750.qmail@web11106.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 13:39:42 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: Pocketbike Racing? To: Wayne Edelen , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii They also race at Monrovia Raceway, about 10 miles south of Frederick, MD. I used to race YSRs there. That track is outdoors, unlike Allsports. There is an article about pocketbike racing on the Washington Post website also, if you need more info. www.pocketbikeracer.com has more info too. Chris Weaver --- Wayne Edelen wrote: > We had a great day over at AllsportsGP yesterday > (some pics - > http://www.gotmilkracing.com/Albums/?mode=album&album=BOYB-2003&dispsize=640 > ), but someone in my car club mentioned that there > was a track in MD > similar to Allsports, but you could race > Pocketbikes. > > Does anyone know if that's true and if so, where is > it? > > Thanks! > > -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jan 19 16:52:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0JLqVO7011308; Sun, 19 Jan 2003 16:52:31 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0JLqVA8011299; Sun, 19 Jan 2003 16:52:31 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.0.20030119155103.00a11e30@mail.mac.com> X-Sender: eternity23@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 15:54:14 -0600 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Re: Pocketbike Racing? In-Reply-To: <20030119213942.58750.qmail@web11106.mail.yahoo.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Allsports GP is running pocket bikes, mini motards, and mini dirtbikes. http://forums.13x.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=20413&highlight=allsports I would *LOVE* to do that. -Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 20 07:54:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0KCsVO7020359; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 07:54:31 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0KCsUjR020349; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 07:54:30 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 07:54:23 -0500 (EST) From: jdonovan@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Subject: Local shop for boots Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I've decided its time to give up on the current boots I'm using to ride, and get some dedicated riding boots. As I have some problems fitting boots, I don't want to mail order w/o trying something on first. Also I would like to support a local merchant provided they don't want a 50% premium for the boot. Also if anyone has boots they like I'd love recommendations. My use will be all street, commuting mainly. I would also like a boot that could be worn off the bike, as a walking boot for when I take trips and need to walk around at the destination, but don't want to bring a second pair of foot ware. I've heard some of the bike boots are too stiff/uncomfortable for all but the shortest of walks off the bike. -JD From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 20 08:32:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0KDWEO7021883; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 08:32:14 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0KDWDLf021873; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 08:32:13 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [68.48.118.251] From: "Rob Keiser" To: jdonovan@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Local shop for boots Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 08:14:20 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jan 2003 13:14:21.0234 (UTC) FILETIME=[D853A920:01C2C085] Good luck finding a local shop with any variety. If you do, please let us know! Personally, I've been real happy with the Alpinestarts Stage Boots I ordered two years ago. Basic black, waterproof, and quite comfortable off the bike. Got them through Kiernan and had to exchange them once b/c of the European sizing. Can see them here: http://catalog.kiernanracing.com/viewProduct.cfm?item_id=486170&showPic=Yes Another idea would be to try the International M/C show coming to Dulles in March. They might have some vendors. Just my two cents. Happy shopping. Rob '98 VFR800 From: jdonovan@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Subject: Local shop for boots Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 07:54:23 -0500 (EST) I've decided its time to give up on the current boots I'm using to ride, and get some dedicated riding boots. As I have some problems fitting boots, I don't want to mail order w/o trying something on first. Also I would like to support a local merchant provided they don't want a 50% premium for the boot. Also if anyone has boots they like I'd love recommendations. My use will be all street, commuting mainly. I would also like a boot that could be worn off the bike, as a walking boot for when I take trips and need to walk around at the destination, but don't want to bring a second pair of foot ware. I've heard some of the bike boots are too stiff/uncomfortable for all but the shortest of walks off the bike. -JD _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM: Try the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 20 09:49:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0KEn4O7022961; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 09:49:04 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0KEn4jN022951; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 09:49:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <000701c2c093$933a6b40$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Rob Keiser" , , References: Subject: Re: Local shop for boots Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 09:52:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Keiser" > > Another idea would be to try the International M/C show coming to Dulles in > March. They might have some vendors. > > Rob > '98 VFR800 > I've been to the Philadelphia and New York shows the last two years. If the vendors are similar, you may be very disappointed if you come to buy stuff other than trinkets. So-so selection and unremarkable prices, with a couple of exceptions. Motoport is nicely represented, although I understand they are scaling back their show exhibitions this year. Gerbing's was there too. BMW apparel had their trailer at the New York show; walk through, ogle, receive sticker shock. Some of the boot manufacturers will have displays and representatives there, but you won't be able to try on boots, much less buy them direct for the manufacturers. Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 20 10:15:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0KFF9O7023810; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 10:15:09 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0KFF9BM023800; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 10:15:09 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030120151501.27851.qmail@web40907.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 07:15:01 -0800 (PST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: Local shop for boots To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <000701c2c093$933a6b40$bb82fea9@palladio1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Paul Wilson wrote: > I've been to the Philadelphia and New York shows the last two years. If the > vendors are similar, you may be very disappointed if you come to buy stuff > other than trinkets. ... > Some of the boot manufacturers will have displays and representatives there, > but you won't be able to try on boots, much less buy them direct for the > manufacturers. How about Cruiserworks? I saw them last year at the Moto-Show in Philly, they had a nice display with all their boots, and were very helpful in trying on different styles and sizes. The only reason I didn't buy one is that my feet are aparently not quite even, and they don't mix sizes (plus I wasn't about to buy two sets). They said that they were coming out with a new style (side zipper) that should accomodate my feet better. They are listed in other shows this year (no listing available for DC yet). Louis ===== "Admiral" Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours Fairfax, VA Co-Planner, MD20-20 http://www.masondixon20-20.org/ Home Page: http://www.geocities.com/nighthawk700/cycle.htm __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 20 10:27:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0KFRxO7024591; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 10:27:59 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0KFRwP5024581; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 10:27:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: "Rob Curtis" To: , Subject: RE: Local shop for boots Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 10:27:44 -0500 Message-ID: <000701c2c098$7d2c1c40$6401a8c0@cypher> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH LOGIN at out004.verizon.net from [141.156.208.118] at Mon, 20 Jan 2003 09:27:46 -0600 I bought a pair of Sidi Vertebra 2 Air from Fast Lane. They are a little Startrooper-ish, but in all black ya don't notice so much. Thin soled, so not really an all-day-at-the-renaissance-festival kinda boot. But, you could wear them for the day at work... Fast Lane had lots of Vertebras a few months back, so if that might fit your needs give Rick a visit. He might have some Sidi street boots, or be able to get them basing the size on how the in-stock racer boots fit you... Robby C. -----Original Message----- From: jdonovan@XXXXXX [mailto:jdonovan@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 07:54 To: DC-Cycles Subject: Local shop for boots I've decided its time to give up on the current boots I'm using to ride, and get some dedicated riding boots. As I have some problems fitting boots, I don't want to mail order w/o trying something on first. Also I would like to support a local merchant provided they don't want a 50% premium for the boot. Also if anyone has boots they like I'd love recommendations. My use will be all street, commuting mainly. I would also like a boot that could be worn off the bike, as a walking boot for when I take trips and need to walk around at the destination, but don't want to bring a second pair of foot ware. I've heard some of the bike boots are too stiff/uncomfortable for all but the shortest of walks off the bike. -JD From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 20 10:29:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0KFTgO7025300; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 10:29:42 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0KFTgtW025293; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 10:29:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E2C1721.A7297BE9@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 10:34:57 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jdonovan@XXXXXX CC: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Local shop for boots References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit jdonovan@XXXXXX wrote: > I've decided its time to give up on the current boots I'm using to ride, > and get some dedicated riding boots. > > As I have some problems fitting boots, I don't want to mail order w/o > trying something on first. Also I would like to support a local merchant > provided they don't want a 50% premium for the boot. > > Also if anyone has boots they like I'd love recommendations. > > My use will be all street, commuting mainly. I would also like a boot that > could be worn off the bike, as a walking boot for when I take trips and > need to walk around at the destination, but don't want to bring a second > pair of foot ware. I've heard some of the bike boots are too > stiff/uncomfortable for all but the shortest of walks off the bike. > > -JD I gave up on M/C boots for walking and went to REI outfitters. They fixed me up with a pair of ultra-comfy hiking boots, perfect for demoing MSF exercises and the hours standing/walking/trotting/dodging on the range. I tuck the laces in. One prob, mine don't have a hard toe, bad for banging around, but good for finding those dinky Japanese foot controls. I'm thinking about getting a pair with a hard toe for my personal riding. My other scoot specific boots suck for walking. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 20 10:34:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0KFYfO7026035; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 10:34:41 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0KFYefW026024; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 10:34:40 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <000701c2c099$f25ff760$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Louis F. Caplan" , References: <20030120151501.27851.qmail@web40907.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Local shop for boots Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 10:38:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Louis F. Caplan" To: Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 10:15 AM Subject: Re: Local shop for boots > --- Paul Wilson wrote: > > I've been to the Philadelphia and New York shows the last two years. If the > > vendors are similar, you may be very disappointed if you come to buy stuff > > other than trinkets. ... > > Some of the boot manufacturers will have displays and representatives there, > > but you won't be able to try on boots, much less buy them direct for the > > manufacturers. > > How about Cruiserworks? > > I saw them last year at the Moto-Show in Philly, they had a nice display with > all their boots, and were very helpful in trying on different styles and sizes. > The only reason I didn't buy one is that my feet are aparently not quite even, > and they don't mix sizes (plus I wasn't about to buy two sets). They said that > they were coming out with a new style (side zipper) that should accomodate my > feet better. They are listed in other shows this year (no listing available > for DC yet). > > Louis I guess my biases are showing. I prefer boots with more protective qualities (armor, etc.) for more aggressive riding, and ignore the "cruiser" oriented merchandise (and there's a lot of it) so I probably wouldn't have made a note of Cruiserworks at the show. . It looks like Cruiserworks will be at the "Washington, DC" (i.e., Chantilly) show. http://www.cruiserworks.com/justedit/events.html http://www.cruiserworks.com/products.html Might be a good choice depending on your needs. Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 20 11:21:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0KGLqO7028390; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 11:21:52 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0KGLp8U028380; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 11:21:51 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <004701c2c0a0$79441300$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: Subject: The subject is boots Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 11:24:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 As far as boots go, for bang for the buck it's hard to beat the AGV 580s that I got about a year and a half ago for $100. I believe they are a discontinued item, which explains the price. The boots are badged AGV Sport, but appear to be made by Italian boot maker Prexport. They are "water-resistant," not "water-proof," but my feet stay dry in all but the hardest sustained downpours. They offer good protection with shin, heel, ankle and toe armor. They work equally well with over leathers or under the Motoport pants, in all weather. They have a generous coating of salt slop on them right now and I've ridden lots of miles in them. Once broken in they are very comfortable on the bike, and OK off the bike. I wouldn't do a 30-mile hike in them. Another caveat, I have narrow feet, so the Italian sizes fit me very well, but YMMV. No affiliation or experience with this vendor, provided for information only, but at this price, I may order a second pair myself. http://www.helmetdepot.com/boots/580/index.html They also come in all your racerboy favorites, as far as color schemes go. I have the reasonably tame black, gray and white scheme. When you're looking for gear, don't forget to check out www.motorcyclegearreview.com to find out what your fellow riders have to say about the gear they own. I'd also be remiss in pointing out that lister Jay Goddard at www.motorcycleleatherexchange.com offers boots as well. Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - IBA # 12143 ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Louis F. Caplan" > > > > How about Cruiserworks? > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 20 11:51:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0KGpaO7031238; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 11:51:36 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0KGpaVZ031228; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 11:51:36 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 12:07:44 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen X-Sender: To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Local shop for boots In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 20 Jan 2003 jdonovan@XXXXXX wrote: > As I have some problems fitting boots, I don't want to mail order w/o > trying something on first. Also I would like to support a local merchant > provided they don't want a 50% premium for the boot. Battley Cycles carries Sidi. I bought my boots there during one of their open house sales. Also, newenough.com carries boots and they don't penalize you for returns. > Also if anyone has boots they like I'd love recommendations. > > My use will be all street, commuting mainly. I would also like a boot that > could be worn off the bike, as a walking boot for when I take trips and > need to walk around at the destination, but don't want to bring a second > pair of foot ware. I've heard some of the bike boots are too > stiff/uncomfortable for all but the shortest of walks off the bike. Sidi Onroad Sympatex. Works great with full leathers or textiles (or under jeans), great comfort and they are completely waterproof. Pic - http://www.newenough.com/boots_gloves/sidi_boot_images/on_road/full_side.jpg -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 20 18:13:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0KNDmO7001979; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 18:13:48 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0KNDiCO001964; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 18:13:44 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: Subject: Re: The subject is boots Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 18:18:24 -0500 Message-ID: <5n0p2vsh6ikq145vo053kq3blvp5k6e7mq@4ax.com> References: <004701c2c0a0$79441300$bb82fea9@palladio1> In-Reply-To: <004701c2c0a0$79441300$bb82fea9@palladio1> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.91/32.564 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id h0KNDhO7001952 I have a pair of 580's as well, however I would differ on value. They feel comfy and stiff on the bike, but off the bike they are uncomfy. Also they feel a little on the flimsy side to me. To boot (pun intended), the glue of my soles came unglued and they are flappy. I think it's a much better bet to buy alpinestars. I tried on a pair amongst lots of other brands, and the alpinstars felt like a lot of research went into them and felt like I could wear them for a long time, as they felt like regular boots, and not my AGV's. My agv's lasted about a season. That sucks. oh well. On Mon, 20 Jan 2003 11:24:51 -0500, "Paul Wilson" wrote: >As far as boots go, for bang for the buck it's hard to beat the AGV 580s >that I got about a year and a half ago for $100. I believe they are a >discontinued item, which explains the price. The boots are badged AGV >Sport, but appear to be made by Italian boot maker Prexport. They are >"water-resistant," not "water-proof," but my feet stay dry in all but the >hardest sustained downpours. They offer good protection with shin, heel, >ankle and toe armor. They work equally well with over leathers or under the >Motoport pants, in all weather. They have a generous coating of salt slop >on them right now and I've ridden lots of miles in them. Once broken in >they are very comfortable on the bike, and OK off the bike. I wouldn't do a >30-mile hike in them. Another caveat, I have narrow feet, so the Italian >sizes fit me very well, but YMMV. > >No affiliation or experience with this vendor, provided for information >only, but at this price, I may order a second pair myself. > >http://www.helmetdepot.com/boots/580/index.html > >They also come in all your racerboy favorites, as far as color schemes go. >I have the reasonably tame black, gray and white scheme. > >When you're looking for gear, don't forget to check out >www.motorcyclegearreview.com to find out what your fellow riders have to say >about the gear they own. I'd also be remiss in pointing out that lister Jay >Goddard at www.motorcycleleatherexchange.com offers boots as well. > >Paul in DC >95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - IBA # 12143 >----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Louis F. Caplan" >> > >> > How about Cruiserworks? >> > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 20 18:19:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0KNJnO7002059; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 18:19:49 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0KNJnDm002044; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 18:19:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: Subject: Re: VA Legislation Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 18:24:28 -0500 Message-ID: <931p2vkopdvkk5n4f970bgkdctq94cd21j@4ax.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.91/32.564 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id h0KNJlO7002032 Did anyone see the special on harley's on TLC or A&E one of those type of channels? The guys ride their chromed out choppers into SC and get gas. They meet a police officer who keeps saying "oh man this is awsome" or words to that affect. A biker asks him if he can afford one on his salery and he's answers negative. So after he's sitting on the harley checking it out repeating it's awsome so many times, then the cop says "I wanna get a honda". I found that hilarious. On Mon, 13 Jan 2003 18:05:37 EST, PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: >In a message dated 1/13/2003 3:37:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, >mtwithrow@XXXXXX writes: > >> I must for self protection assume, >> > at least for the start, >> > that any cop I encounter is a bad one. >> >> Bad idea, IMHO. Treat a good cop poorly, and you are >> less likely to get a break he was otherwise inclined >> to give you. > >I am not talking about treating anyone badly, that would be pointless. We all >know that if you are an asshole yourself you will piss off anyone. What I am >saying is approach with caution. > > >John. >PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jan 20 22:41:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0L3fxO7008100; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 22:41:59 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0L3fvQ8008088; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 22:41:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030121034134.55997.qmail@web14804.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 19:41:34 -0800 (PST) From: patti rodgers Subject: unhappy motor! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The guy who is teaching me all the mechanic stuff keeps rescuing bikes from eBay. It's cool because I always have something to be learning and working on, plus it's rare that we are actually missing a part that we need. So far we've replaced the motor on my BSA and almost completely rebuilt the original (which will go back on the bike when it's done, so the frame and the motor serials match). We've also turned a couple of boxes of bits into a fairly complete (although ugly--- cosmetics come next) BSA, and a couple of rolling frames. The lastest challenge is to resurrect a Triumph Bonneville that was in a fire. The damage is nowhere near as bad as it looked at first, and so far it's cleaning up really nicely. The nightmare is in the motor. We managed to get all the gunk and cooked oil out of most of the motor and it's hopefully going to survive after all, except that one of the spark plugs is melted in place. No amount of wrenching will get this plug-leftover to budge, can't get it loose with vise grips or pliers or anything. Even if we cut it down and drilled it out, it might not be easy to do without stripping the plug holes. We're running out of ideas and can only think of taking it to a machine shop and having it bored out. Any suggestions? It would be a real shame to not be able to use this motor because its serial numbers match its frame, and the frame cleaned up really nicely, and after all, it is a Bonneville... Thanks in advance for any ideas! -patti __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 21 01:12:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0L6CuO7010096; Tue, 21 Jan 2003 01:12:56 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0L6CtgX010086; Tue, 21 Jan 2003 01:12:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: "Stephen D" Subject: Re: Local shop for boots & Floppy sole Boot Fix To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, jdonovan@XXXXXX X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro Web Mailer v.4.0.1 Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 01:11:15 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200301210000.h0L001SG003595@dirty.meretrix.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I was looking for the same qualities. One Motorcycle Consumer News Issue wrote unending kudos about Oxtar Gortex Matrix boots. http://www.newenough.com/boots_gloves/oxtar_boot_images/matrix_goretex/mcn_report.jpg I too have hard-to-fit feet, and calves. The Magazine did not lie. They are absolutely 100% waterproof in monsoon downpours. They are also comfortable on and off the bike. I wore mine around the house for a few days (when they were still clean) to break them in a bit before taking them out riding. They are the best boots I've ridden with in eighteen or so years. The sizing is exact. I boldly ordered my real shoe size, and they fit. I was astonished. These are top quality. Expect to pay around $200 (That's $100 each). Where to get them: Special ordered from Battley's in Rockville. Those guys rock! Other sources: http://www.ridegear.com/cgi-bin/SoftCart.exe/store/manufacturer/Oxtar_Closeouts.html?E+scstore http://www.newenough.com/boots_gloves/oxtar.htm I bought some "waterproof" Hein Gericke boots with "sewen on" soles. They are far from waterproof, and the soles flopped off. SOLE FIX: To those who have their soles flop off: I have tried numerous cements to glue soles back together, and I now heartily recommond .. wait for it .. Barge (all purpose) Cement. (Quabaug Corporation, North Brookfield, MA) Available from REI if you ask for it (do not expect to find it on the shelves for some reason -- don't ask me, I just report it like it is). I think I paid about $3.50 for a life-time supply (2oz). It says to let it dry for ten minutes before mating the surfaces, but give it fifteen. http://www.rei.com/online/store/ProductDisplay?storeId=8000&catalogId=40000008000&productId=13&parent_category_rn=12221602 Stephen From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 21 06:56:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0LBupO7012686; Tue, 21 Jan 2003 06:56:51 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0LBup5C012676; Tue, 21 Jan 2003 06:56:51 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E2D36C3.F92A0CD2@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 07:02:11 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: patti rodgers CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: unhappy motor! References: <20030121034134.55997.qmail@web14804.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit patti rodgers wrote: > The guy who is teaching me all the mechanic stuff > keeps rescuing bikes from eBay. It's cool because I > always have something to be learning and working on, > plus it's rare that we are actually missing a part > that we need. So far we've replaced the motor on my > BSA and almost completely rebuilt the original (which > will go back on the bike when it's done, so the frame > and the motor serials match). We've also turned a > couple of boxes of bits into a fairly complete > (although ugly--- cosmetics come next) BSA, and a > couple of rolling frames. > > The lastest challenge is to resurrect a Triumph > Bonneville that was in a fire. The damage is nowhere > near as bad as it looked at first, and so far it's > cleaning up really nicely. The nightmare is in the > motor. We managed to get all the gunk and cooked oil > out of most of the motor and it's hopefully going to > survive after all, except that one of the spark plugs > is melted in place. No amount of wrenching will get > this plug-leftover to budge, can't get it loose with > vise grips or pliers or anything. Even if we cut it > down and drilled it out, it might not be easy to do > without stripping the plug holes. We're running out > of ideas and can only think of taking it to a machine > shop and having it bored out. Any suggestions? It > would be a real shame to not be able to use this motor > because its serial numbers match its frame, and the > frame cleaned up really nicely, and after all, it is a > Bonneville... > > Thanks in advance for any ideas! > > -patti A dilemma fer sure. Have you tried extreme cold? Or heat? The plug is steel and I assume the head is aluminum, a bad match for removal by force. I suspect the threads in the head are allready toast. I'd plan on Heli-Coil. Tis a large hole so you might want to consider a machine shop for the Heli-Coil job but it can be done in a home workshop. I did a few during my years of playing with outboard racing motors. Anyone who fiddles with engines made of cast aluminum should become familiar with the art of Heli-Coil. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 21 07:03:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0LC3BO7013448; Tue, 21 Jan 2003 07:03:11 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0LC3BiF013440; Tue, 21 Jan 2003 07:03:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Flurries Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 06:59:50 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0301210659503Y.02506@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Good ride this morning. Even though the temp was equal to Thursday morning, it was a warmer ride, mainly due to the lower humidity. It was interesting to ride in with the occasional [snow] flake. Later Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 21 08:43:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0LDhPO7015306; Tue, 21 Jan 2003 08:43:25 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0LDhPEo015296; Tue, 21 Jan 2003 08:43:25 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 08:40:01 -0500 From: Jay Goddard Subject: boots To: jdonovan@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <003b01c2c152$99688c80$0b913044@fred> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Hey JD, Take a look at our site, we have a few different modest looking boots. You are welcome to come by and try anything on. -- Thanks!! Jay Goddard 1990 RC30, 1994 KDX200 1996 ZX-11, 1992 FZR600 1995 VFR750F 301-340-0886 Jay@XXXXXX www.MotorcycleLeatherExchange.com/ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 07:54:23 -0500 (EST) From: jdonovan@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Subject: Local shop for boots I've decided its time to give up on the current boots I'm using to ride, and get some dedicated riding boots. As I have some problems fitting boots, I don't want to mail order w/o trying something on first. Also I would like to support a local merchant provided they don't want a 50% premium for the boot. Also if anyone has boots they like I'd love recommendations. My use will be all street, commuting mainly. I would also like a boot that could be worn off the bike, as a walking boot for when I take trips and need to walk around at the destination, but don't want to bring a second pair of foot ware. I've heard some of the bike boots are too stiff/uncomfortable for all but the shortest of walks off the bike. -JD From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 21 09:19:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0LEJBO7016854; Tue, 21 Jan 2003 09:19:11 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0LEJBoA016848; Tue, 21 Jan 2003 09:19:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 09:18:53 -0500 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: motorcycle@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: The subject is boots MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <1600C312.5B6B17CB.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I've got a couple pairs of Alpinestars and a pair of Sidi Vertabraes. All of them fit good and are comfy both on and off the bike. Although, the Alpinestars would be my greater recommendation. Scooter In a message dated 1/20/2003 6:18:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, motorcycle@XXXXXX writes: > > > I have a pair of 580's as well, however I would differ on value. > They feel comfy and stiff on the bike, but off the bike they are > uncomfy. Also they feel a little on the flimsy side to me. > To boot (pun intended), the glue of my soles came unglued and they > are flappy. I think it's a much better bet to buy alpinestars. I > tried on a pair amongst lots of other brands, and the alpinstars felt > like a lot of research went into them and felt like I could wear them > for a long time, as they felt like regular boots, and not my AGV's. > My agv's lasted about a season. That sucks. oh well. > > > On Mon, 20 Jan 2003 11:24:51 -0500, "Paul Wilson" > wrote: > > >As far as boots go, for bang for the buck it's hard to beat the AGV 580s > >that I got about a year and a half ago for $100. I believe they are a > >discontinued item, which explains the price. The boots are badged AGV > >Sport, but appear to be made by Italian boot maker Prexport. They are > >"water-resistant," not "water-proof," but my feet stay dry in all but the > >hardest sustained downpours. They offer good protection with shin, heel, > >ankle and toe armor. They work equally well with over leathers or under the > >Motoport pants, in all weather. They have a generous coating of salt slop > >on them right now and I've ridden lots of miles in them. Once broken in > >they are very comfortable on the bike, and OK off the bike. I wouldn't do a > >30-mile hike in them. Another caveat, I have narrow feet, so the Italian > >sizes fit me very well, but YMMV. > > > >No affiliation or experience with this vendor, provided for information > >only, but at this price, I may order a second pair myself. > > > >http://www.helmetdepot.com/boots/580/index.html > > > >They also come in all your racerboy favorites, as far as color schemes go. > >I have the reasonably tame black, gray and white scheme. > > > >When you're looking for gear, don't forget to check out > >www.motorcyclegearreview.com to find out what your fellow riders have to say > >about the gear they own. I'd also be remiss in pointing out that lister Jay > >Goddard at www.motorcycleleatherexchange.com offers boots > as well. > > > >Paul in DC > >95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - IBA # 12143 > >----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Louis F. Caplan" > >> > > >> > How about Cruiserworks? > >> > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 21 09:28:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0LESgO7017627; Tue, 21 Jan 2003 09:28:42 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0LESfSW017617; Tue, 21 Jan 2003 09:28:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 09:28:39 -0500 Message-Id: <200301210928.AA109969818@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: "List-dc cycles" Subject: seeking motorcycle ASCII art X-Mailer: Anybody got any motorcycle ASCII art they'd like to share, or point me to? thanks, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 21 09:36:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0LEaNO7019008; Tue, 21 Jan 2003 09:36:23 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0LEaMu5019000; Tue, 21 Jan 2003 09:36:23 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030121093408.02083758@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 09:36:19 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: seeking motorcycle ASCII art In-Reply-To: <200301210928.AA109969818@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed google motorcycle ascii http://llizard.crosswinds.net/ascii-art/sports2.htm http://www.myhairyass.com/ASCII/Art/?ID=111 My personal favorite http://www.asciimation.co.nz/ At 09:28 AM 1/21/2003, you wrote: >Anybody got any motorcycle ASCII art they'd like to share, or point me to? > >thanks, >Chris Norloff ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org "Peace on Earth to men of good will. All others stand by." - broadcast from the USS Harry S. Truman 12-5-02 as the battle group left for the Persian Gulf. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 21 09:51:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0LEpQO7019801; Tue, 21 Jan 2003 09:51:26 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0LEpPnl019791; Tue, 21 Jan 2003 09:51:25 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: X-EM-APIVersion: 2, 0, 1, 0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) From: "Kirk Roy" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Brrr, or a Gerbing's workout Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 09:51:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id h0LEpOO7019779 I'm a little slow getting into the mail here... Paul Wilson wrote: > Despite the Shellaclava, I still get a bit of a cold draft in the face in my > Shoei RF800. I've been pretty pleased with how well the Nolan flipup works in the cold. The little flap on the bottom of the chin bar fits up nicely against the neck on my jacket. With the addition of a poly neck gaitor I got at Sports Authority for $1 my neck and chin are nice and toasty ever on the coldest days. I was complaining to my wife about how inconvenient the Joe Rocket Revolution pants I've got are to get into and out of as compared to the old Aerostich. Then, when I got outside and on the road I remembered what I like about the JR pants - with a the liner in thery're freakin' warm. :) I never could say that about the 'stich (and I outgrew the 'stich in the sense that I could no longer wear layers under so...). > The weather folks here on TV are fond of saying, "16 degrees, feels like > minus 2 degrees with the wind." On the VFR it's "16 degrees, feels like > YEEEEEOOWWWWWW" inside the helmet at about 70 unless you stay in a tuck in > the dead air pocket behind the stock windshield. Still, great to be out and > about instead of having a bout of PMS. More cold weather on the way; I see > we may have single digits for lows next week to test rider and machine some > more. I will have to get one of them windshields one of these days. I commute from frederick to rockville every day and the lack of wind protection does not go unnoticed at times... :) My bike absolutely hates the cold and will simply refuse to start on its own. I've got a 230 cranking amps lawn tractor battery in on the rack for the needed boost... Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 21 09:53:11 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0LErBO7019857; Tue, 21 Jan 2003 09:53:11 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0LErAlA019850; Tue, 21 Jan 2003 09:53:10 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E2D601B.CB829290@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 09:58:35 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Carl Schelin CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Flurries References: <0301210659503Y.02506@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit About them flurries, Carl. *snicker* I don't where you are but if you're somewhere in VA I have a 4WD and M/C trailer available after 4PM. Bill Carl Schelin wrote: > Good ride this morning. Even though the temp was equal to Thursday morning, > it was a warmer ride, mainly due to the lower humidity. > > It was interesting to ride in with the occasional [snow] flake. > > Later > > Carl > -- > Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) > finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 21 10:06:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0LF60O7021325; Tue, 21 Jan 2003 10:06:00 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0LF60If021315; Tue, 21 Jan 2003 10:06:00 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Flurries Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 10:02:43 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <0301210659503Y.02506@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> <3E2D601B.CB829290@patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <3E2D601B.CB829290@patriot.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <03012110024344.02506@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Yea yea. I see em. No, I'm in DC but I'm going to have to head to VA. Fortunately I have a pick-me-up truck that should be able to hold this thing if it gets that bad. So far there's no snow on the roads (from what I can see). Fingers crossed. (but thanks for the offer :-) Carl On Tuesday 21 January 2003 09:58, William J. Huson wrote: > About them flurries, Carl. *snicker* I don't where you are but if you're > somewhere in VA I have a 4WD and M/C trailer available after 4PM. > > Bill > > Carl Schelin wrote: > > Good ride this morning. Even though the temp was equal to Thursday > > morning, it was a warmer ride, mainly due to the lower humidity. > > > > It was interesting to ride in with the occasional [snow] flake. > > > > Later > > > > Carl > > -- > > Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 > > FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 21 10:09:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0LF97O7022068; Tue, 21 Jan 2003 10:09:07 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0LF97j2022062; Tue, 21 Jan 2003 10:09:07 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Flurries Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 10:05:50 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <0301210659503Y.02506@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> <3E2D601B.CB829290@patriot.net> <03012110024344.02506@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> In-Reply-To: <03012110024344.02506@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <03012110055045.02506@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit And if push comes to shove, I'll just park it in the garage downstairs and take the VRE home. Carl On Tuesday 21 January 2003 10:02, Carl Schelin wrote: > Yea yea. I see em. No, I'm in DC but I'm going to have to head to VA. > Fortunately I have a pick-me-up truck that should be able to hold this > thing if it gets that bad. > > So far there's no snow on the roads (from what I can see). Fingers crossed. > > (but thanks for the offer :-) > > Carl > > On Tuesday 21 January 2003 09:58, William J. Huson wrote: > > About them flurries, Carl. *snicker* I don't where you are but if > > you're somewhere in VA I have a 4WD and M/C trailer available after 4PM. > > > > Bill > > > > Carl Schelin wrote: > > > Good ride this morning. Even though the temp was equal to Thursday > > > morning, it was a warmer ride, mainly due to the lower humidity. > > > > > > It was interesting to ride in with the occasional [snow] flake. > > > > > > Later > > > > > > Carl > > > -- > > > Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 > > > FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 21 10:20:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0LFKlO7022855; Tue, 21 Jan 2003 10:20:47 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0LFKkSo022845; Tue, 21 Jan 2003 10:20:46 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f To: List-dc cycles X-MESINK_Inbound: 0 X-MESINK_MailForType: SMTP X-MESINK_SenderType: SMTP X-MESINK_Sender: lholland@XXXXXX X-MESINK_MailFor: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Laurie Holland subject: RE: seeking motorcycle ASCII art Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 10:20:30 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" x-receiver: dc-cycles@XXXXXX x-sender: lholland@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <1207101502f69207d3@[172.30.1.4]> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-Printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id h0LFKjO7022833 http://www.chris.com/ascii/ -----Original Message----- From: Chris Norloff [mailto:cnorloff@XXXXXX] Anybody got any motorcycle ASCII art they'd like to share, or point me to? thanks, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 21 11:23:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0LGNtO7024027; Tue, 21 Jan 2003 11:23:55 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0LGNsnh024017; Tue, 21 Jan 2003 11:23:54 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 11:23:51 -0500 Message-Id: <200301211123.AA175112640@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: Flurries X-Mailer: I've done that before. Wish I'd taken the sidecar rig today! Or maybe the Trials bike :-) Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Carl Schelin Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 10:05:50 -0500 >And if push comes to shove, I'll just park it in the garage downstairs and >take the VRE home. > >Carl > >On Tuesday 21 January 2003 10:02, Carl Schelin wrote: >> Yea yea. I see em. No, I'm in DC but I'm going to have to head to VA. >> Fortunately I have a pick-me-up truck that should be able to hold this >> thing if it gets that bad. >> >> So far there's no snow on the roads (from what I can see). Fingers crossed. >> >> (but thanks for the offer :-) >> >> Carl >> >> On Tuesday 21 January 2003 09:58, William J. Huson wrote: >> > About them flurries, Carl. *snicker* I don't where you are but if >> > you're somewhere in VA I have a 4WD and M/C trailer available after 4PM. >> > >> > Bill >> > >> > Carl Schelin wrote: >> > > Good ride this morning. Even though the temp was equal to Thursday >> > > morning, it was a warmer ride, mainly due to the lower humidity. >> > > >> > > It was interesting to ride in with the occasional [snow] flake. >> > > >> > > Later >> > > >> > > Carl >> > > -- >> > > Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 >> > > FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address > >-- > Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) > finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 21 15:06:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0LK6UO7026064; Tue, 21 Jan 2003 15:06:30 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0LK6Oqc026049; Tue, 21 Jan 2003 15:06:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E2DA6D1.4B90C73B@carlparker.com> Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 15:00:17 -0500 From: Carl Parker X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en,zh-CN MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DCCycles Subject: Re: Local shop for boots Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Local shops will charge a premium for their boots. I got mine from Newenough.com and got Oxtars. Very nice leather, super water resistant, and good enough looking to wear to work and walk around in; although I wouldn't do too much heel dragging with em' as the rubber is very sticky and low density. The best that I could do was to try on boots to get a manufacturers "sizing vibe" but this is a lousy method to rely on as cuts vary from model to model. I trusted the opinion of the people at New'nuff' and was pretty satisfied. CP From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 21 16:40:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0LLeoO7027269; Tue, 21 Jan 2003 16:40:50 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0LLenpR027259; Tue, 21 Jan 2003 16:40:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVa7RR4DdnczkFZ0CUWNZESLZpYHSvWjpCH4eOa7oHZh+yUwD4LC09Ue4wOknmD3eVY= From: "Jon Strang" To: "'DCCycles'" Subject: RE: Local shop for boots Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 16:40:46 -0500 Message-ID: <98746331CB7A8845BDB93F3574AD2B83010E4B@CORPMAIL1.ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <98746331CB7A8845BDB93F3574AD2B830A38B1@CORPMAIL1.ddlomni.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 FWIW, www.newenough.com allowed me to try on and return riding suits in several different sizes until I got one that fit correctly. I paid just once for the suit, even when I had more than one suit in my possession at a time (I paid for shipping each time). They were great to deal with. --jon -----Original Message----- From: Carl Parker [mailto:carl@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 3:00 PM To: DCCycles Subject: Re: Local shop for boots Local shops will charge a premium for their boots. I got mine from Newenough.com and got Oxtars. Very nice leather, super water resistant, and good enough looking to wear to work and walk around in; although I wouldn't do too much heel dragging with em' as the rubber is very sticky and low density. The best that I could do was to try on boots to get a manufacturers "sizing vibe" but this is a lousy method to rely on as cuts vary from model to model. I trusted the opinion of the people at New'nuff' and was pretty satisfied. CP From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 21 22:36:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0M3a8O7000846; Tue, 21 Jan 2003 22:36:08 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0M3a5Ph000842; Tue, 21 Jan 2003 22:36:05 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 22:52:04 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen X-Sender: To: Subject: A video - 'Busa vs. ZX12 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII http://ninjazx12r.free.fr/videos/zx12r-hayabusa.wmv An oldie but goodie, 51mb and some killer riding. Something to keep our minds off of the awful cold here in the DC area right now. Enjoy! -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jan 21 22:42:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0M3gHO7002288; Tue, 21 Jan 2003 22:42:17 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0M3gGpG002273; Tue, 21 Jan 2003 22:42:16 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 22:58:04 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen X-Sender: To: Subject: Another video Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII >From a California 'Busa rider, this video was made in the last few days. The Duke in the video spit out it's oil sight glass window and the rider (also a 'Busa owner) required a lift home :-) http://www.websitemonster.com/nico/movies/COMPARO2.wmv low res 20mb http://www.websitemonster.com/nico/movies/COMPARO2HI.wmv high res 80mb After watching the video, can someone tell me why we don't all live in California? :-) Enjoy! -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 22 00:17:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0M5HIO7004149; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 00:17:18 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0M5HHYg004139; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 00:17:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-id: Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 00:17:47 -0500 Subject: Re: unhappy motor! To: dcpatti@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "garcia oliver" References: <20030121034134.55997.qmail@web14804.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20030121034134.55997.qmail@web14804.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Well, if the spark plug really melted, I think you will have more problems than just removing it. In terms of removal, you might want to try heating the aluminum head evenly with a propane torch---aluminum expands more than steel. Impact driver might help. But don't be surprised if you strip the hole and have to use heli-coil, keensert, or similar. Good luck. --garcia "How do we know the Iraqis have weapons of mass destruction? Because we sold 'em to them. And we)B’ve got the receipts to prove it." dcpatti@XXXXXX writes: >The damage is nowhere >near as bad as it looked at first, and so far it's >cleaning up really nicely. The nightmare is in the >motor. We managed to get all the gunk and cooked oil >out of most of the motor and it's hopefully going to >survive after all, except that one of the spark plugs >is melted in place. No amount of wrenching will get >this plug-leftover to budge, can't get it loose with >vise grips or pliers or anything. Even if we cut it >down and drilled it out, it might not be easy to do >without stripping the plug holes. We're running out >of ideas and can only think of taking it to a machine >shop and having it bored out. Any suggestions? It >would be a real shame to not be able to use this motor >because its serial numbers match its frame, and the >frame cleaned up really nicely, and after all, it is a >Bonneville... > >Thanks in advance for any ideas! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 22 06:19:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0MBJ9O7006824; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 06:19:09 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0MBJ6VA006809; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 06:19:06 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Hah! Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 06:15:49 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0301220615494I.02506@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit When I went out yesterday at 4pm, the roads were clear. I had to scrape some snow off of the seat and from the tank and tree but I let the rest steam off. I got all wrapped up this morning and other than cold thighs, thumbs and big toes, all was well. I didn't see any black ice until I got to Independance Ave. There are a couple of very small patches in the right lane. Anyway, a couple of weeks ago, a biker here lost his backpack off of the back of his bike trashing his Mac Titanium that he had _just_ gotten configured. Oddly enough, the next day when I got home, my tail bag was hanging from the strap (I use the velcro as a third restraint threading it through the hand strap along with the two bungie cords). Anyway, I had to bring my laptop in this morning so I kept reaching back to check it. We got here ok fortunately. Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 22 06:31:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0MBV3O7008230; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 06:31:03 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0MBV3dH008220; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 06:31:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Hah! Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 06:27:46 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" References: <0301220615494I.02506@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> In-Reply-To: <0301220615494I.02506@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0301220627464J.02506@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Oh, and when I got here and removed my leathers, I found that my ponytail was frozen :-) Carl On Wednesday 22 January 2003 06:15, Carl Schelin wrote: > When I went out yesterday at 4pm, the roads were clear. I had to scrape > some snow off of the seat and from the tank and tree but I let the rest > steam off. > > I got all wrapped up this morning and other than cold thighs, thumbs and > big toes, all was well. > > I didn't see any black ice until I got to Independance Ave. There are a > couple of very small patches in the right lane. > > Anyway, a couple of weeks ago, a biker here lost his backpack off of the > back of his bike trashing his Mac Titanium that he had _just_ gotten > configured. Oddly enough, the next day when I got home, my tail bag was > hanging from the strap (I use the velcro as a third restraint threading it > through the hand strap along with the two bungie cords). > > Anyway, I had to bring my laptop in this morning so I kept reaching back to > check it. We got here ok fortunately. > > Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 22 07:43:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0MChUO7009270; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 07:43:30 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0MChU0Q009260; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 07:43:30 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVYTFLevsgiEGvc1cITM58ceZeQxLSBoq2AUtBeTudCODdaJga6c35JPYnSbIdJ/aFQ= From: "Jon Strang" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: cool SV! Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 07:43:26 -0500 Message-ID: <98746331CB7A8845BDB93F3574AD2B8307C369@CORPMAIL1.ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 http://www.ddes.com/r1150r/images/collyers_31460789809.JPG http://www.ddes.com/r1150r/images/collyers_31460789744.JPG ok, maybe not *cool*, but something.... --jon From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 22 07:48:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0MCmtO7010656; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 07:48:55 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0MCmtVO010645; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 07:48:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: From: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" To: "'Jon Strang'" , DC Cycles Subject: RE: cool SV! Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 07:48:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain What a waste of a good sv650! -----Original Message----- From: Jon Strang [mailto:jmstrang@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 7:43 AM To: DC Cycles Subject: cool SV! http://www.ddes.com/r1150r/images/collyers_31460789809.JPG http://www.ddes.com/r1150r/images/collyers_31460789744.JPG ok, maybe not *cool*, but something.... --jon From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 22 07:52:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0MCqJO7011409; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 07:52:19 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0MCqIp3011401; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 07:52:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 08:08:14 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen X-Sender: To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: cool SV! In-Reply-To: <98746331CB7A8845BDB93F3574AD2B8307C369@CORPMAIL1.ddlomni.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 22 Jan 2003, Jon Strang wrote: > http://www.ddes.com/r1150r/images/collyers_31460789809.JPG > http://www.ddes.com/r1150r/images/collyers_31460789744.JPG > > ok, maybe not *cool*, but something.... Hrm, yeah "something". :-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 22 08:14:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0MDEOO7012380; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 08:14:24 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0MDEOKs012369; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 08:14:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E2E97F4.60407@yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 08:09:08 -0500 From: Tom de User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.2) Gecko/20021126 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "DC Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: Re: Hah! References: <0301220615494I.02506@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> In-Reply-To: <0301220615494I.02506@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ouch!! 14 degrees this morning!!! You are a "man"! (or just insane.) Tom de '98 VTR Carl Schelin wrote: >When I went out yesterday at 4pm, the roads were clear. I had to scrape some >snow off of the seat and from the tank and tree but I let the rest steam off. > >I got all wrapped up this morning and other than cold thighs, thumbs and big >toes, all was well. > >I didn't see any black ice until I got to Independance Ave. There are a >couple of very small patches in the right lane. > >Anyway, a couple of weeks ago, a biker here lost his backpack off of the back >of his bike trashing his Mac Titanium that he had _just_ gotten configured. >Oddly enough, the next day when I got home, my tail bag was hanging from the >strap (I use the velcro as a third restraint threading it through the hand >strap along with the two bungie cords). > >Anyway, I had to bring my laptop in this morning so I kept reaching back to >check it. We got here ok fortunately. > >Carl > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 22 08:28:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0MDStO7013208; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 08:28:55 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0MDSsuo013193; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 08:28:54 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: Re: A video - 'Busa vs. ZX12 Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 07:28:00 -0600 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Re: A video - 'Busa vs. ZX12 Thread-Index: AcLCGipKQD4sUTfjSgKGHCkcTdLroQ== From: To: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id h0MDSrO7013181 Thanks for the vids... They made my Winter cabin fever worse though.... George >>> Wayne Edelen 01/21/03 10:52PM >>> Something to keep our minds off of the awful cold here in the DC area right now. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 22 08:47:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0MDl4O7014061; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 08:47:04 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0MDl3Ca014050; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 08:47:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [166.94.9.205] From: "Jeff Wisecarver" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: jet kit sale Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 08:46:39 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Jan 2003 13:46:40.0163 (UTC) FILETIME=[B0D83F30:01C2C21C] K&N website has sale on jets kits ~35$ with shipping www.knpowersports.com jeff alexandria ----------- Jeffrey C. Wisecarver jeff_wisecarver@XXXXXX Home (703)780-5421 Cell (540)435-5416 Work (703)550-9740 ext. 239 '89 RED _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 22 09:51:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0MEpiO7015715; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 09:51:44 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0MEphxU015705; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 09:51:43 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030122145130.38142.qmail@web13802.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 06:51:30 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: I'm Back/Crappy Morning/New Battery To: DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hey, I am back from a wonderful vacation/wedding planning trip in France (been back for 2 weeks actually). They certainly ride in cold/snowy weather in Grenoble. Big ups to Scooter for storing my bike over the break. Crappy start to this day. Bike would not start. Turned over a few times but that was just not enough to start the old VFR in this weather. Nice guy in a pickup stoped (he rides of course) but his jumper cables were too rusty to be of use. Finally paid a DC cab $5 to jump me. Worked fine, with no apparent damage. So, does anyone know where I can buy a motorcycle battery in DC? Happy New Year everyone. Mark ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 22 09:52:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0MEqhO7016404; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 09:52:43 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0MEqhLs016397; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 09:52:43 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 09:52:26 -0500 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: jmstrang@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: cool SV! MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <354D105F.55E0BC5D.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Ummmmm.....yeah. That's....SOMETHING all right. Not sure what but, it's something. Scooter (going to barf now. ;-)) In a message dated 1/22/2003 7:43:26 AM Eastern Standard Time, jmstrang@XXXXXX writes: > > > > http://www.ddes.com/r1150r/images/collyers_31460789809.JPG > http://www.ddes.com/r1150r/images/collyers_31460789744.JPG > > ok, maybe not *cool*, but something.... > > --jon From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 22 10:03:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0MF3mO7017959; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 10:03:48 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0MF3mWq017948; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 10:03:48 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [166.94.9.205] From: "Jeff Wisecarver" To: markkitchell@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: I'm Back/Crappy Morning/New Battery Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 09:58:42 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Jan 2003 14:58:42.0490 (UTC) FILETIME=[C12701A0:01C2C226] yeah, unusually enough, Walmart. jeff ----------- Jeffrey C. Wisecarver jeff_wisecarver@XXXXXX Home (703)780-5421 Cell (540)435-5416 Work (703)550-9740 ext. 239 '89 RED ----Original Message Follows---- From: Mark Kitchell To: DC Cycles Subject: I'm Back/Crappy Morning/New Battery Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 06:51:30 -0800 (PST) Hey, I am back from a wonderful vacation/wedding planning trip in France (been back for 2 weeks actually). They certainly ride in cold/snowy weather in Grenoble. Big ups to Scooter for storing my bike over the break. Crappy start to this day. Bike would not start. Turned over a few times but that was just not enough to start the old VFR in this weather. Nice guy in a pickup stoped (he rides of course) but his jumper cables were too rusty to be of use. Finally paid a DC cab $5 to jump me. Worked fine, with no apparent damage. So, does anyone know where I can buy a motorcycle battery in DC? Happy New Year everyone. Mark ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. 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Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 22 10:16:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0MFGsO7018758; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 10:16:54 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0MFGsix018748; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 10:16:54 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030122151651.95118.qmail@web13803.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 07:16:51 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: I'm Back/Crappy Morning/New Battery To: Jeff Wisecarver , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Ok smartguy, tell me where there is a Walmart IN DC? --- Jeff Wisecarver wrote: > yeah, unusually enough, Walmart. > jeff > > > > ----------- > Jeffrey C. Wisecarver > jeff_wisecarver@XXXXXX > Home (703)780-5421 > Cell (540)435-5416 > Work (703)550-9740 ext. 239 > '89 RED > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: Mark Kitchell > To: DC Cycles > Subject: I'm Back/Crappy Morning/New Battery > Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 06:51:30 -0800 (PST) > > Hey, I am back from a wonderful vacation/wedding > planning trip in France (been back for 2 weeks > actually). They certainly ride in cold/snowy > weather > in Grenoble. > > Big ups to Scooter for storing my bike over the > break. > > Crappy start to this day. Bike would not start. > Turned over a few times but that was just not enough > to start the old VFR in this weather. Nice guy in a > pickup stoped (he rides of course) but his jumper > cables were too rusty to be of use. Finally paid a > DC > cab $5 to jump me. Worked fine, with no apparent > damage. > > So, does anyone know where I can buy a motorcycle > battery in DC? > > Happy New Year everyone. > > Mark > > ===== > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up > now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > > _________________________________________________________________ > The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months > FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 22 10:24:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0MFO6O7019554; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 10:24:06 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0MFO66x019539; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 10:24:06 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 10:24:03 -0500 (EST) From: jdonovan@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Hah! In-Reply-To: <0301220615494I.02506@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 22 Jan 2003, Carl Schelin wrote: > I got all wrapped up this morning and other than cold thighs, thumbs and big > toes, all was well. > Yep, today was the firs day that I added a fleece jacket over the gerbing, under the stitch. Made a big difference, only needed the jacket heat up about 1/2. Strangely enough the thumbs didn't get that cold, but the thighs were most chilly... not too bad for almost single digit riding. So has anyone here got/seen/used the Kreamer glove liners? I'm think they may form to my hands better, and deliver heat with less loss. Or the other option is to get some nichrome wire and wire my own set of inserts. -JD From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 22 10:35:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0MFZXO7020329; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 10:35:33 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0MFZWWP020318; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 10:35:32 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [166.94.9.204] From: "Jeff Wisecarver" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: I'm Back/Crappy Morning/New Battery Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 10:35:25 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Jan 2003 15:35:25.0493 (UTC) FILETIME=[E23E9650:01C2C22B] YEAH YEAH, Sorry, I just saw the "dc" after I sent it...but you can get batteries at any walmart. ----------- Jeffrey C. Wisecarver jeff_wisecarver@XXXXXX Home (703)780-5421 Cell (540)435-5416 Work (703)550-9740 ext. 239 '89 RED ----Original Message Follows---- From: Mark Kitchell To: Jeff Wisecarver , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: I'm Back/Crappy Morning/New Battery Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 07:16:51 -0800 (PST) Ok smartguy, tell me where there is a Walmart IN DC? --- Jeff Wisecarver wrote: > yeah, unusually enough, Walmart. > jeff > > > > ----------- > Jeffrey C. Wisecarver > jeff_wisecarver@XXXXXX > Home (703)780-5421 > Cell (540)435-5416 > Work (703)550-9740 ext. 239 > '89 RED > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: Mark Kitchell > To: DC Cycles > Subject: I'm Back/Crappy Morning/New Battery > Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 06:51:30 -0800 (PST) > > Hey, I am back from a wonderful vacation/wedding > planning trip in France (been back for 2 weeks > actually). They certainly ride in cold/snowy > weather > in Grenoble. > > Big ups to Scooter for storing my bike over the > break. > > Crappy start to this day. Bike would not start. > Turned over a few times but that was just not enough > to start the old VFR in this weather. Nice guy in a > pickup stoped (he rides of course) but his jumper > cables were too rusty to be of use. Finally paid a > DC > cab $5 to jump me. Worked fine, with no apparent > damage. > > So, does anyone know where I can buy a motorcycle > battery in DC? > > Happy New Year everyone. > > Mark > > ===== > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up > now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > > _________________________________________________________________ > The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months > FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 22 10:35:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0MFZeO7020362; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 10:35:40 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0MFZdVb020355; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 10:35:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 10:35:39 -0500 Subject: Re: cool SV! From: Stephen Miller To: DC Cycles Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <98746331CB7A8845BDB93F3574AD2B8307C369@CORPMAIL1.ddlomni.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit That's just wrong. on 1/22/03 7:43 AM, Jon Strang at jmstrang@XXXXXX wrote: > > http://www.ddes.com/r1150r/images/collyers_31460789809.JPG > http://www.ddes.com/r1150r/images/collyers_31460789744.JPG > > ok, maybe not *cool*, but something.... > > --jon > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 22 10:40:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0MFeIO7021155; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 10:40:18 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0MFeI4W021147; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 10:40:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030122154002.12075.qmail@web13801.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 07:40:02 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: I'm Back/Crappy Morning/New Battery To: Jeff Wisecarver , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Yeah, I know if I lived in concrete jungle/suburbia I would have the convenience of a Walmart/Starbucks/Costce/Borders/TGI Fridays within a 10 minute drive. However, I do not, so I am hoping to pay someone a little extra to carry a no-name brand battery near my house! (-; --- Jeff Wisecarver wrote: > YEAH YEAH, Sorry, I just saw the "dc" after I sent > it...but you can get > batteries at any walmart. > > > > > ----------- > Jeffrey C. Wisecarver > jeff_wisecarver@XXXXXX > Home (703)780-5421 > Cell (540)435-5416 > Work (703)550-9740 ext. 239 > '89 RED > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: Mark Kitchell > To: Jeff Wisecarver , > dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: I'm Back/Crappy Morning/New Battery > Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 07:16:51 -0800 (PST) > > Ok smartguy, tell me where there is a Walmart IN DC? > > > --- Jeff Wisecarver > wrote: > > yeah, unusually enough, Walmart. > > jeff > > > > > > > > ----------- > > Jeffrey C. Wisecarver > > jeff_wisecarver@XXXXXX > > Home (703)780-5421 > > Cell (540)435-5416 > > Work (703)550-9740 ext. 239 > > '89 RED > > > > > > > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > > From: Mark Kitchell > > To: DC Cycles > > Subject: I'm Back/Crappy Morning/New Battery > > Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 06:51:30 -0800 (PST) > > > > Hey, I am back from a wonderful vacation/wedding > > planning trip in France (been back for 2 weeks > > actually). They certainly ride in cold/snowy > > weather > > in Grenoble. > > > > Big ups to Scooter for storing my bike over the > > break. > > > > Crappy start to this day. Bike would not start. > > Turned over a few times but that was just not > enough > > to start the old VFR in this weather. Nice guy > in a > > pickup stoped (he rides of course) but his jumper > > cables were too rusty to be of use. Finally paid > a > > DC > > cab $5 to jump me. Worked fine, with no apparent > > damage. > > > > So, does anyone know where I can buy a motorcycle > > battery in DC? > > > > Happy New Year everyone. > > > > Mark > > > > ===== > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up > > now. > > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months > > FREE* > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > > > ===== > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up > now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online > http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 22 10:40:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0MFeJO7021173; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 10:40:19 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0MFeJLB021161; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 10:40:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: "DC Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: Re: Hah! Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 10:36:58 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <0301220615494I.02506@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> <3E2E97F4.60407@yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <3E2E97F4.60407@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0301221036584L.02506@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Insane works. Evil Overlord Carl On Wednesday 22 January 2003 08:09, Tom de wrote: > Ouch!! 14 degrees this morning!!! You are a "man"! (or just insane.) > > Tom de '98 VTR > > Carl Schelin wrote: > >When I went out yesterday at 4pm, the roads were clear. I had to scrape > > some snow off of the seat and from the tank and tree but I let the rest > > steam off. > > > >I got all wrapped up this morning and other than cold thighs, thumbs and > > big toes, all was well. > > > >I didn't see any black ice until I got to Independance Ave. There are a > >couple of very small patches in the right lane. > > > >Anyway, a couple of weeks ago, a biker here lost his backpack off of the > > back of his bike trashing his Mac Titanium that he had _just_ gotten > > configured. Oddly enough, the next day when I got home, my tail bag was > > hanging from the strap (I use the velcro as a third restraint threading > > it through the hand strap along with the two bungie cords). > > > >Anyway, I had to bring my laptop in this morning so I kept reaching back > > to check it. We got here ok fortunately. > > > >Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 22 11:40:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0MGeOO7023688; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 11:40:24 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0MGeJ6X023673; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 11:40:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [166.94.9.205] From: "Jeff Wisecarver" To: markkitchell@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: I'm Back/Crappy Morning/New Battery Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 11:40:11 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Jan 2003 16:40:12.0216 (UTC) FILETIME=[EEE97380:01C2C234] Found this website (below) and called an autozone and trackauto, and they both sell motorcycle batteries...Here are a list of those stores in DC; there are many more sites on that website, but not all will sell MC Batteries. jeff http://www.thecityofwashingtondc.org/auto/autopart.html Autozone (202) 563-2630 3920 S Capitol St SE Washington, DC Autozone (202) 388-1203 1207 H St NE Washington, DC Autozone (202) 832-4001 519 Rhode Island Ave NE Washington, DC Autozone (202) 722-7830 955 Longfellow St NW Washington, DC Autozone (202) 396-0294 4045 Minnesota Ave NE Washington, DC Autozone (202) 575-2930 2626 Naylor Rd SE Washington, DC Super Trak Stores (202) 347-2467 529 14th St NW Washington, DC Trak Auto (202) 328-8501 1711 14th St NW Washington, DC Trak Auto (202) 397-7100 3925 Minnesota Ave NE Washington, DC Trak Auto (202) 635-2999 1301 Rhode Island Ave NE Washington, DC Trak Auto (202) 882-8924 5928 Georgia Ave NW Washington, DC ----------- Jeffrey C. Wisecarver jeff_wisecarver@XXXXXX Home (703)780-5421 Cell (540)435-5416 Work (703)550-9740 ext. 239 '89 RED ----Original Message Follows---- From: Mark Kitchell To: Jeff Wisecarver , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: I'm Back/Crappy Morning/New Battery Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 07:40:02 -0800 (PST) Yeah, I know if I lived in concrete jungle/suburbia I would have the convenience of a Walmart/Starbucks/Costce/Borders/TGI Fridays within a 10 minute drive. However, I do not, so I am hoping to pay someone a little extra to carry a no-name brand battery near my house! (-; --- Jeff Wisecarver wrote: > YEAH YEAH, Sorry, I just saw the "dc" after I sent > it...but you can get > batteries at any walmart. > > > > > ----------- > Jeffrey C. Wisecarver > jeff_wisecarver@XXXXXX > Home (703)780-5421 > Cell (540)435-5416 > Work (703)550-9740 ext. 239 > '89 RED > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: Mark Kitchell > To: Jeff Wisecarver , > dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: I'm Back/Crappy Morning/New Battery > Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 07:16:51 -0800 (PST) > > Ok smartguy, tell me where there is a Walmart IN DC? > > > --- Jeff Wisecarver > wrote: > > yeah, unusually enough, Walmart. > > jeff > > > > > > > > ----------- > > Jeffrey C. Wisecarver > > jeff_wisecarver@XXXXXX > > Home (703)780-5421 > > Cell (540)435-5416 > > Work (703)550-9740 ext. 239 > > '89 RED > > > > > > > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > > From: Mark Kitchell > > To: DC Cycles > > Subject: I'm Back/Crappy Morning/New Battery > > Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 06:51:30 -0800 (PST) > > > > Hey, I am back from a wonderful vacation/wedding > > planning trip in France (been back for 2 weeks > > actually). They certainly ride in cold/snowy > > weather > > in Grenoble. > > > > Big ups to Scooter for storing my bike over the > > break. > > > > Crappy start to this day. Bike would not start. > > Turned over a few times but that was just not > enough > > to start the old VFR in this weather. Nice guy > in a > > pickup stoped (he rides of course) but his jumper > > cables were too rusty to be of use. Finally paid > a > > DC > > cab $5 to jump me. Worked fine, with no apparent > > damage. > > > > So, does anyone know where I can buy a motorcycle > > battery in DC? > > > > Happy New Year everyone. > > > > Mark > > > > ===== > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up > > now. > > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months > > FREE* > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > > > ===== > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up > now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online > http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 22 11:58:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0MGwVO7024568; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 11:58:31 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0MGwBUR024533; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 11:58:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-id: Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 11:58:37 -0500 Subject: Re: Hah! To: cschelin@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "garcia oliver" References: <0301220615494I.02506@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> In-Reply-To: <0301220615494I.02506@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I carry stuff in a duffle bag on my lap. Never had it fall off except at a stop with my feet down. --garcia cschelin@XXXXXX writes: >Anyway, a couple of weeks ago, a biker here lost his backpack off of the >back >of his bike trashing his Mac Titanium that he had _just_ gotten >configured. >Oddly enough, the next day when I got home, my tail bag was hanging from >the >strap (I use the velcro as a third restraint threading it through the >hand >strap along with the two bungie cords). From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 22 12:00:25 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0MH0PO7024608; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 12:00:25 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0MH0PAu024604; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 12:00:25 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <127101c2c237$a61ec760$7a5dfea9@mikescomputer> From: "Michael R. Cecchini" To: "DC Cycles" References: Subject: Re: I'm Back/Crappy Morning/New Battery Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 11:58:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at pop017.verizon.net from [141.156.150.238] at Wed, 22 Jan 2003 11:00:13 -0600 Make sure your "packing" in those neighborhoods. MC ****************************************************** ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Wisecarver" To: ; Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 11:40 AM Subject: Re: I'm Back/Crappy Morning/New Battery > Found this website (below) and called an autozone and trackauto, and they > both sell motorcycle batteries...Here are a list of those stores in DC; > there are many more sites on that website, but not all will sell MC > Batteries. > jeff > > http://www.thecityofwashingtondc.org/auto/autopart.html > > Autozone > (202) 563-2630 3920 S Capitol St SE > Washington, DC > > Autozone > (202) 388-1203 1207 H St NE > Washington, DC > > Autozone > (202) 832-4001 519 Rhode Island Ave NE > Washington, DC > > Autozone > (202) 722-7830 955 Longfellow St NW > Washington, DC > > Autozone > (202) 396-0294 4045 Minnesota Ave NE > Washington, DC > > Autozone > (202) 575-2930 2626 Naylor Rd SE > Washington, DC > > Super Trak Stores > (202) 347-2467 529 14th St NW > Washington, DC > > Trak Auto > (202) 328-8501 1711 14th St NW > Washington, DC > > Trak Auto > (202) 397-7100 3925 Minnesota Ave NE > Washington, DC > > Trak Auto > (202) 635-2999 1301 Rhode Island Ave NE > Washington, DC > > Trak Auto > (202) 882-8924 5928 Georgia Ave NW > Washington, DC > > > > > > > ----------- > Jeffrey C. Wisecarver > jeff_wisecarver@XXXXXX > Home (703)780-5421 > Cell (540)435-5416 > Work (703)550-9740 ext. 239 > '89 RED > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: Mark Kitchell > To: Jeff Wisecarver , dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: I'm Back/Crappy Morning/New Battery > Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 07:40:02 -0800 (PST) > > Yeah, I know if I lived in concrete jungle/suburbia I > would have the convenience of a > Walmart/Starbucks/Costce/Borders/TGI Fridays within a > 10 minute drive. > > However, I do not, so I am hoping to pay someone a > little extra to carry a no-name brand battery near my > house! (-; > > > --- Jeff Wisecarver > wrote: > > YEAH YEAH, Sorry, I just saw the "dc" after I sent > > it...but you can get > > batteries at any walmart. > > > > > > > > > > ----------- > > Jeffrey C. Wisecarver > > jeff_wisecarver@XXXXXX > > Home (703)780-5421 > > Cell (540)435-5416 > > Work (703)550-9740 ext. 239 > > '89 RED > > > > > > > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > > From: Mark Kitchell > > To: Jeff Wisecarver , > > dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Re: I'm Back/Crappy Morning/New Battery > > Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 07:16:51 -0800 (PST) > > > > Ok smartguy, tell me where there is a Walmart IN DC? > > > > > > --- Jeff Wisecarver > > wrote: > > > yeah, unusually enough, Walmart. > > > jeff > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------- > > > Jeffrey C. Wisecarver > > > jeff_wisecarver@XXXXXX > > > Home (703)780-5421 > > > Cell (540)435-5416 > > > Work (703)550-9740 ext. 239 > > > '89 RED > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > > > From: Mark Kitchell > > > To: DC Cycles > > > Subject: I'm Back/Crappy Morning/New Battery > > > Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 06:51:30 -0800 (PST) > > > > > > Hey, I am back from a wonderful vacation/wedding > > > planning trip in France (been back for 2 weeks > > > actually). They certainly ride in cold/snowy > > > weather > > > in Grenoble. > > > > > > Big ups to Scooter for storing my bike over the > > > break. > > > > > > Crappy start to this day. Bike would not start. > > > Turned over a few times but that was just not > > enough > > > to start the old VFR in this weather. Nice guy > > in a > > > pickup stoped (he rides of course) but his jumper > > > cables were too rusty to be of use. Finally paid > > a > > > DC > > > cab $5 to jump me. Worked fine, with no apparent > > > damage. > > > > > > So, does anyone know where I can buy a motorcycle > > > battery in DC? > > > > > > Happy New Year everyone. > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > ===== > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up > > > now. > > > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months > > > FREE* > > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > > > > > > > ===== > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. 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Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 22 12:09:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0MH94O7026105; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 12:09:04 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0MH93mn026090; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 12:09:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <006901c2c239$6b24e660$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "DC Cycles" References: <127101c2c237$a61ec760$7a5dfea9@mikescomputer> Subject: Re: I'm Back/Crappy Morning/New Battery Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 12:12:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Why's that? I go to the H St. AutoZone all the time for sundry bike and cage supplies. The worst hazard is all the goo in the parking lot. :) Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - IBA # 12143 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael R. Cecchini" > Make sure your "packing" in those neighborhoods. > > MC > ****************************************************** > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jeff Wisecarver" > > > Found this website (below) and called an autozone and trackauto, and they > > both sell motorcycle batteries...Here are a list of those stores in DC; > > there are many more sites on that website, but not all will sell MC > > Batteries. > > jeff > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 22 12:12:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0MHCvO7026193; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 12:12:57 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0MHCbH3026156; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 12:12:37 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030122171235.25371.qmail@web13803.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 09:12:35 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: I'm Back/Crappy Morning/New Battery To: Paul Wilson , DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <006901c2c239$6b24e660$bb82fea9@palladio1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Typical suburban fearmonger. I would be more scared of the soccer mom myself --- Paul Wilson wrote: > Why's that? I go to the H St. AutoZone all the time > for sundry bike and > cage supplies. The worst hazard is all the goo in > the parking lot. :) > > Paul in DC > 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - IBA # 12143 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael R. Cecchini" > > > > > Make sure your "packing" in those neighborhoods. > > > > MC > > > ****************************************************** > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jeff Wisecarver" > > > > > > Found this website (below) and called an > autozone and trackauto, and > they > > > both sell motorcycle batteries...Here are a list > of those stores in DC; > > > there are many more sites on that website, but > not all will sell MC > > > Batteries. > > > jeff > > > > > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 22 12:20:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0MHKFO7027666; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 12:20:15 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0MHKCXt027651; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 12:20:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030122172004.24219.qmail@web10506.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 09:20:04 -0800 (PST) From: Isaac Blanck Subject: Outlaw Biker Gangs tonight at 9 To: "'DCCycles'" In-Reply-To: <98746331CB7A8845BDB93F3574AD2B83010E4B@CORPMAIL1.ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii on the History Channel; don't know much about it ... jib __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 22 12:21:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0MHLMO7028353; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 12:21:22 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0MHLMAN028346; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 12:21:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 12:21:15 -0500 (EST) From: "Daniel H. Brown" To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: I'm Back/Crappy Morning/New Battery In-Reply-To: <20030122171235.25371.qmail@web13803.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 22 Jan 2003, Mark Kitchell wrote: > Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 09:12:35 -0800 (PST) > From: Mark Kitchell > To: Paul Wilson , > DC Cycles > Subject: Re: I'm Back/Crappy Morning/New Battery > > Typical suburban fearmonger. > > I would be more scared of the soccer mom myself You mean the SUV Driving, Cell phone talking, Baby Feeding Couldn't drive straight if you put them on rails kinda folks? -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 22 12:24:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0MHOKO7028425; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 12:24:20 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0MHOJob028417; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 12:24:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030122172412.94001.qmail@web13808.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 09:24:12 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: I'm Back/Crappy Morning/New Battery To: "Daniel H. Brown" , DC Cycles In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Isn't that what soccer mom has come to mean anyway? I really don't care what sports the kids play (-: These people think their lives are more important than mine (generalization I know). They don't actually actively think that, but their actions do. When they feed the baby, talk on the phone, change the CD, and almost hit me (all at the same time), their actions say: "My life is busy. Since I drive a large veichle, I can pay less attention to my driving. If my lack of oncentration causes you pain, so be it." Mark --- "Daniel H. Brown" wrote: > > > On Wed, 22 Jan 2003, Mark Kitchell wrote: > > > Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 09:12:35 -0800 (PST) > > From: Mark Kitchell > > To: Paul Wilson , > > DC Cycles > > Subject: Re: I'm Back/Crappy Morning/New Battery > > > > Typical suburban fearmonger. > > > > I would be more scared of the soccer mom myself > > You mean the SUV Driving, Cell phone talking, Baby > Feeding Couldn't drive > straight if you put them on rails kinda folks? > > > > > -- > Dan Brown > brown@XXXXXX > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 22 12:44:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0MHi2O7030623; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 12:44:02 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0MHi1HD030613; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 12:44:01 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <12cd01c2c23d$bd4eb200$7a5dfea9@mikescomputer> From: "Michael R. Cecchini" To: "DC Cycles" References: <20030122171235.25371.qmail@web13803.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: I'm Back/Crappy Morning/New Battery Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 12:40:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out004.verizon.net from [141.156.150.238] at Wed, 22 Jan 2003 11:43:50 -0600 I suggest you look at the mortality statistics of each before such commentary. MC ******************************************* > From: "Mark Kitchell" > Typical suburban fearmonger. > I would be more scared of the soccer mom myself ********************************************** From: "Michael R. Cecchini" Make sure your "packing" in those neighborhoods. MC From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 22 12:46:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0MHkoO7031378; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 12:46:50 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0MHkoLV031370; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 12:46:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20030122124631.0305bd10@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 12:46:42 -0500 To: DC Cycles From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: I'm Back/Crappy Morning/New Battery In-Reply-To: <20030122172412.94001.qmail@web13808.mail.yahoo.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 12:24 PM 1/22/2003, Mark Kitchell wrote: >Isn't that what soccer mom has come to mean anyway? I >really don't care what sports the kids play (-: > >These people think their lives are more important than >mine (generalization I know). They don't actually >actively think that, but their actions do. When they >feed the baby, talk on the phone, change the CD, and >almost hit me (all at the same time), their actions >say: > >"My life is busy. Since I drive a large veichle, I >can pay less attention to my driving. If my lack of >oncentration causes you pain, so be it." > >Mark although I agree that there's many of those types out there, it's not isolated to SUV's or minivans. I've been almost run over by just as many blue hairs in big ole Caprices and mommys in Camrys as anything else. And I'm not *even* going into the self absorbed a**holes in BMW's and Volvos. 8-) >--- "Daniel H. Brown" wrote: > > > > > > On Wed, 22 Jan 2003, Mark Kitchell wrote: > > > > > Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 09:12:35 -0800 (PST) > > > From: Mark Kitchell > > > To: Paul Wilson , > > > DC Cycles > > > Subject: Re: I'm Back/Crappy Morning/New Battery > > > > > > Typical suburban fearmonger. > > > > > > I would be more scared of the soccer mom myself > > > > You mean the SUV Driving, Cell phone talking, Baby > > Feeding Couldn't drive > > straight if you put them on rails kinda folks? > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Dan Brown > > brown@XXXXXX > > > > >===== > > >__________________________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. >http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 22 12:50:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0MHo9O7031457; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 12:50:09 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0MHo84h031442; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 12:50:08 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 09:50:05 -0800 (PST) From: Fish Flowers X-X-Sender: fish@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Subject: EZPass no longer free. Message-ID: <20030122094813.L38084-100000@yes.devclue.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII It's recently come to my attention that EZPass is no longer a free service. There's now a $1/month fee. Suck! If there was a widespread announcement, and this is general knowledge, then I'm sorry for wasting the bandwidth. But it took me by surprise. I'm a little irked at them for not making this sufficiently clear to me. Rrr. Fsckwits. Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 22 12:51:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0MHpNO7000378; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 12:51:23 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0MHpN7i000372; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 12:51:23 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E2ED8EC.8010202@yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 12:46:20 -0500 From: Tom de User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.2) Gecko/20021126 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "DC Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: Re: I'm Back/Crappy Morning/New Battery References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't think these will be pre-charged. last time I gotta MC bat. at autozone I had to add the acid and charge it. Tom de '98 VTR Jeff Wisecarver wrote: > Found this website (below) and called an autozone and trackauto, and > they both sell motorcycle batteries...Here are a list of those stores > in DC; there are many more sites on that website, but not all will > sell MC Batteries. > jeff > > http://www.thecityofwashingtondc.org/auto/autopart.html > > Autozone > (202) 563-2630 3920 S Capitol St SE > Washington, DC > > Autozone > (202) 388-1203 1207 H St NE > Washington, DC > > Autozone > (202) 832-4001 519 Rhode Island Ave NE > Washington, DC > > Autozone > (202) 722-7830 955 Longfellow St NW > Washington, DC > > Autozone > (202) 396-0294 4045 Minnesota Ave NE > Washington, DC > > Autozone > (202) 575-2930 2626 Naylor Rd SE > Washington, DC > > Super Trak Stores > (202) 347-2467 529 14th St NW > Washington, DC > > Trak Auto > (202) 328-8501 1711 14th St NW > Washington, DC > > Trak Auto > (202) 397-7100 3925 Minnesota Ave NE > Washington, DC > > Trak Auto > (202) 635-2999 1301 Rhode Island Ave NE > Washington, DC > > Trak Auto > (202) 882-8924 5928 Georgia Ave NW > Washington, DC > > > > > > > ----------- > Jeffrey C. Wisecarver > jeff_wisecarver@XXXXXX > Home (703)780-5421 > Cell (540)435-5416 > Work (703)550-9740 ext. 239 > '89 RED > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: Mark Kitchell > To: Jeff Wisecarver , > dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: I'm Back/Crappy Morning/New Battery > Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 07:40:02 -0800 (PST) > > Yeah, I know if I lived in concrete jungle/suburbia I > would have the convenience of a > Walmart/Starbucks/Costce/Borders/TGI Fridays within a > 10 minute drive. > > However, I do not, so I am hoping to pay someone a > little extra to carry a no-name brand battery near my > house! (-; > > > --- Jeff Wisecarver > wrote: > > YEAH YEAH, Sorry, I just saw the "dc" after I sent > > it...but you can get > > batteries at any walmart. > > > > > > > > > > ----------- > > Jeffrey C. Wisecarver > > jeff_wisecarver@XXXXXX > > Home (703)780-5421 > > Cell (540)435-5416 > > Work (703)550-9740 ext. 239 > > '89 RED > > > > > > > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > > From: Mark Kitchell > > To: Jeff Wisecarver , > > dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Re: I'm Back/Crappy Morning/New Battery > > Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 07:16:51 -0800 (PST) > > > > Ok smartguy, tell me where there is a Walmart IN DC? > > > > > > --- Jeff Wisecarver > > wrote: > > > yeah, unusually enough, Walmart. > > > jeff > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------- > > > Jeffrey C. Wisecarver > > > jeff_wisecarver@XXXXXX > > > Home (703)780-5421 > > > Cell (540)435-5416 > > > Work (703)550-9740 ext. 239 > > > '89 RED > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > > > From: Mark Kitchell > > > To: DC Cycles > > > Subject: I'm Back/Crappy Morning/New Battery > > > Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 06:51:30 -0800 (PST) > > > > > > Hey, I am back from a wonderful vacation/wedding > > > planning trip in France (been back for 2 weeks > > > actually). They certainly ride in cold/snowy > > > weather > > > in Grenoble. > > > > > > Big ups to Scooter for storing my bike over the > > > break. > > > > > > Crappy start to this day. Bike would not start. > > > Turned over a few times but that was just not > > enough > > > to start the old VFR in this weather. Nice guy > > in a > > > pickup stoped (he rides of course) but his jumper > > > cables were too rusty to be of use. Finally paid > > a > > > DC > > > cab $5 to jump me. Worked fine, with no apparent > > > damage. > > > > > > So, does anyone know where I can buy a motorcycle > > > battery in DC? > > > > > > Happy New Year everyone. > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > ===== > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up > > > now. > > > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months > > > FREE* > > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > > > > > > > ===== > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up > > now. > > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online > > > http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 > > > > > ===== > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 22 12:53:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0MHrjO7001142; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 12:53:45 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0MHrjmq001137; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 12:53:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 12:53:43 -0500 From: Paul Wilson Subject: Re: EZPass no longer free. To: Fish Flowers Cc: DC-Cycles Reply-To: pawilson@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Webmail Mirapoint Direct 3.2.2-GA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Fish, it depends on where you purchased your EZ-Pass. I think Dr. Grid had a write-up on this. If you purchased direct from the Consortium, I think they have a charge. I got mine from Maryland and I've not noticed being dunned for a service charge. ---- Original message ---- >Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 09:50:05 -0800 (PST) >From: Fish Flowers >Subject: EZPass no longer free. >To: DC-Cycles > >It's recently come to my attention that EZPass is no longer a free >service. There's now a $1/month fee. Suck! > >If there was a widespread announcement, and this is general knowledge, >then I'm sorry for wasting the bandwidth. But it took me by surprise. I'm >a little irked at them for not making this sufficiently clear to me. >Rrr. Fsckwits. > >Fish. > Paul in DC 95 VFR - 86 VF500F From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 22 12:57:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0MHvoO7001933; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 12:57:50 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0MHvoG8001923; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 12:57:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: "Rob Sharp" To: "Jeff Wisecarver" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: jet kit sale Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 13:57:24 -0400 Message-Id: <20030122175724.M38855@sharpie.org> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Open WebMail 1.71 20020827 X-OriginatingIP: 158.72.22.182 (rob) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I just ordered mine. Rob On Wed, 22 Jan 2003 08:46:39 -0500, Jeff Wisecarver wrote > K&N website has sale on jets kits ~35$ with shipping www.knpowersports.com > > jeff alexandria > > ----------- > Jeffrey C. Wisecarver > jeff_wisecarver@XXXXXX > Home (703)780-5421 > Cell (540)435-5416 > Work (703)550-9740 ext. 239 > '89 RED > > _________________________________________________________________ > Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail -- Rob Sharp CCNA 2.0/CCSA CP2000 Network Security Engineer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 22 12:57:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0MHvsO7001961; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 12:57:54 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0MHvr10001955; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 12:57:53 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030122175751.3040.qmail@web13808.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 09:57:51 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: I'm Back/Crappy Morning/New Battery To: "Michael R. Cecchini" , DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <12cd01c2c23d$bd4eb200$7a5dfea9@mikescomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii you made the comment, you provide the stats --- "Michael R. Cecchini" wrote: > I suggest you look at the mortality statistics of > each before such commentary. > > MC > ******************************************* > > From: "Mark Kitchell" > > Typical suburban fearmonger. > > I would be more scared of the soccer mom myself > ********************************************** > From: "Michael R. Cecchini" > Make sure your "packing" in those neighborhoods. > MC > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 22 12:59:41 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0MHxfO7002746; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 12:59:41 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0MHxfHc002738; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 12:59:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 09:59:39 -0800 (PST) From: Fish Flowers X-X-Sender: fish@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: EZPass no longer free. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20030122095803.T38084-100000@yes.devclue.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 22 Jan 2003, Paul Wilson wrote: > Fish, it depends on where you purchased your EZ-Pass. Purchased? I got mine for free (from the Consortium), so I guess "beggars can't be choosers" sorta applies, and maybe I should quit whining so much. Got it from the Consortium because M-Tag can suck my toes. The only time I use the thing is when I'm heading up to The Armpit Of The Universe or Boston, and M-Tag doesn't reach that far. Feh. Fish. disgusted From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 22 13:12:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0MIBxO7004958; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 13:11:59 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0MIBxC8004947; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 13:11:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <003501c2c242$344a2660$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Fish Flowers" , "DC-Cycles" References: <20030122095803.T38084-100000@yes.devclue.com> Subject: Re: EZPass no longer free. Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 13:15:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 There's no purchase involved, so I mis-spoke. I think they do hit you for a deposit unless you get auto-replenishment via a credit card. M-Tag is history, BTW. Maryland is a full-fledged member of EZPass; it should work all the way to Beantown. I've only field-tested my Maryhadalittleland EZPass as far as the Lincoln Tunnel. Works fine, no monthly charges. Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - IBA # 12143 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fish Flowers" To: "DC-Cycles" Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 12:59 PM Subject: Re: EZPass no longer free. > On Wed, 22 Jan 2003, Paul Wilson wrote: > > > Fish, it depends on where you purchased your EZ-Pass. > > Purchased? I got mine for free (from the Consortium), so I guess "beggars > can't be choosers" sorta applies, and maybe I should quit whining so much. > > Got it from the Consortium because M-Tag can suck my toes. The only time I > use the thing is when I'm heading up to The Armpit Of The Universe or > Boston, and M-Tag doesn't reach that far. Feh. > > Fish. > disgusted > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 22 13:13:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0MID2O7005023; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 13:13:02 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0MID1HA005010; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 13:13:01 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <130101c2c241$caecbb10$7a5dfea9@mikescomputer> From: "Michael R. Cecchini" To: "DC Cycles" References: <20030122175751.3040.qmail@web13808.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: I'm Back/Crappy Morning/New Battery Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 13:08:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out001.verizon.net from [141.156.150.238] at Wed, 22 Jan 2003 12:12:51 -0600 Not hardly. Ever watch the news ?? MC *************************************** > From: "Mark Kitchell" > you made the comment, you provide the stats. ******************************************************* > I suggest you look at the mortality statistics of > each before such commentary. > MC > > ******************************************* > > > From: "Mark Kitchell" > > > Typical suburban fearmonger. > > > I would be more scared of the soccer mom myself > > ********************************************** > > From: "Michael R. Cecchini" > > Make sure your "packing" in those neighborhoods. > > MC From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 22 13:48:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0MImiO7006710; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 13:48:44 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0MImd5q006675; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 13:48:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030122184836.45358.qmail@web11506.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 10:48:36 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: EZPass no longer free. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20030122094813.L38084-100000@yes.devclue.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I just noticed this on my recent statement. Yes it sucks ass to say the least. Glenn --- Fish Flowers wrote: > It's recently come to my attention that EZPass is no > longer a free > service. There's now a $1/month fee. Suck! > > If there was a widespread announcement, and this is > general knowledge, > then I'm sorry for wasting the bandwidth. But it > took me by surprise. I'm > a little irked at them for not making this > sufficiently clear to me. > Rrr. Fsckwits. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 22 13:49:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0MInlO7006745; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 13:49:47 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0MInj3h006735; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 13:49:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030122184943.7457.qmail@web11502.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 10:49:43 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: EZPass no longer free. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'd like to know more details on this as I will give mine back and get a free one from whoever has them. Glenn --- Paul Wilson wrote: > Fish, it depends on where you purchased your > EZ-Pass. I > think Dr. Grid had a write-up on this. If you > purchased > direct from the Consortium, I think they have a > charge. I > got mine from Maryland and I've not noticed being > dunned for > a service charge. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 22 13:57:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0MIvoO7007539; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 13:57:50 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0MIvoZ6007524; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 13:57:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Really-To: Message-ID: <00bb01c2c248$116af010$c000a8c0@C4ZJ911> From: "Gary Foreman" To: References: <20030122184943.7457.qmail@web11502.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: EZPass no longer free. Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 13:57:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 No shit! Damn, I pay a fortune as it is. I keep one in my truck too, but I sometimes don't use it for months. What a bunch of greedy bastards! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn Dysart" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 1:49 PM Subject: Re: EZPass no longer free. > I'd like to know more details on this as I will give > mine back and get a free one from whoever has them. > > Glenn > > --- Paul Wilson wrote: > > Fish, it depends on where you purchased your > > EZ-Pass. I > > think Dr. Grid had a write-up on this. If you > > purchased > > direct from the Consortium, I think they have a > > charge. I > > got mine from Maryland and I've not noticed being > > dunned for > > a service charge. > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 22 14:28:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0MJSsO7009256; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 14:28:54 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0MJSsTj009246; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 14:28:54 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030122192849.53666.qmail@web13805.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 11:28:49 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: I'm Back/Crappy Morning/New Battery To: "Michael R. Cecchini" , DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <130101c2c241$caecbb10$7a5dfea9@mikescomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Yeah I watch the news. And I see lots of hard working people in those neighborhoods. Your not-so-subtle racist comment would probably be pretty offensive to them. How would you like it if I suggested one needs a gun to feel safe in your neighborhood? Have you ever spent any amount of in these horrible places? --- "Michael R. Cecchini" wrote: > Not hardly. > Ever watch the news ?? > > MC > *************************************** > > From: "Mark Kitchell" > > you made the comment, you provide the stats. > ******************************************************* > > I suggest you look at the mortality statistics of > > each before such commentary. > > MC > > > ******************************************* > > > > From: "Mark Kitchell" > > > > Typical suburban fearmonger. > > > > I would be more scared of the soccer mom > myself > > > ********************************************** > > > From: "Michael R. Cecchini" > > > Make sure your "packing" in those neighborhoods. > > > MC > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 22 14:31:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0MJVlO7009318; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 14:31:47 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0MJVk4Q009311; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 14:31:46 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20030122143107.01e111f8@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 14:31:39 -0500 To: dc-cycles From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: I'm Back/Crappy Morning/New Battery In-Reply-To: <20030122192849.53666.qmail@web13805.mail.yahoo.com> References: <130101c2c241$caecbb10$7a5dfea9@mikescomputer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 02:28 PM 1/22/2003, you wrote: >Yeah I watch the news. And I see lots of hard working >people in those neighborhoods. Your not-so-subtle >racist comment would probably be pretty offensive to >them. How would you like it if I suggested one needs >a gun to feel safe in your neighborhood? > >Have you ever spent any amount of in these horrible >places? I spent 7 hours at a Va. DMV last week, does that count? 8-P From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 22 14:33:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0MJXMO7009376; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 14:33:22 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0MJXLBO009370; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 14:33:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030122193314.88892.qmail@web40912.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 11:33:14 -0800 (PST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: EZPass no longer free. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <00bb01c2c248$116af010$c000a8c0@C4ZJ911> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Gary Foreman wrote: > No shit! Damn, I pay a fortune as it is. I keep one in my truck too, but I > sometimes don't use it for months. What a bunch of greedy bastards! Not so much greed as incompetance. They figured that a lot more people would violate the EZPass lanes and get dinged with a fine. Didn't happen. Most drivers without an EZPass just went in the cash lane. In fact, the EZPass folks had to pay out more for errors (trying to fine people who had a working EZPass) than they made in actual fines. Also they were planning on making interest money on the "debit" amount that they hold on to (you fill your account with $25, they deduct your tolls from that, then refill when it hits $10). That was before the interest rates took a nose dive. So now they are a few hundred million bucks in the hole at this point. Solution... make the users pay! (ugh). Someone on the NYC list posted the webpage to a newspaper article that covered the information I gave above. If I can find it I'll post it to back up what I'm saying. Several construction jobs to expand the EZPass system are now on hold. Although it does look like the "fast" lanes at Exit 1 on the Jersey Turnpike is still going ahead (don't have to slow down for the tag to read, just wizz on through) Louis ===== "Admiral" Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours Fairfax, VA Co-Planner, MD20-20 http://www.masondixon20-20.org/ Home Page: http://www.geocities.com/nighthawk700/cycle.htm __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 22 14:40:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0MJewO7010855; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 14:40:58 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0MJeuNq010840; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 14:40:56 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030122194054.30325.qmail@web13808.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 11:40:54 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: I'm Back/Crappy Morning/New Battery To: Aki Damme , dc-cycles In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20030122143107.01e111f8@pop.east.cox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Ha! But there only the guards are (allowed) to be armed, right?? Otherwise it would be mass murder daily. 7 HOURS? Do tell........ --- Aki Damme wrote: > At 02:28 PM 1/22/2003, you wrote: > >Yeah I watch the news. And I see lots of hard > working > >people in those neighborhoods. Your not-so-subtle > >racist comment would probably be pretty offensive > to > >them. How would you like it if I suggested one > needs > >a gun to feel safe in your neighborhood? > > > >Have you ever spent any amount of in these horrible > >places? > > > I spent 7 hours at a Va. DMV last week, does that > count? > > 8-P > > > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 22 14:43:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0MJhVO7011603; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 14:43:31 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0MJhVuG011595; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 14:43:31 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <138f01c2c24e$6f97c450$7a5dfea9@mikescomputer> From: "Michael R. Cecchini" To: "DC Cycles" References: <20030122192849.53666.qmail@web13805.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: I'm Back/Crappy Morning/New Battery Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 14:41:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at pop018.verizon.net from [141.156.150.238] at Wed, 22 Jan 2003 13:43:21 -0600 If my neighborhood had the same "qualities", then I'd say the same thing. Race has nothing to do with it. BTW............I worked over "there" for over 10 yrs. Suggest you think before you speak and make more a fool of yourself. MC ***************************************** >From: "Mark Kitchell" > Your not-so-subtle racist comment would probably be pretty offensive to > them. How would you like it if I suggested one needs > a gun to feel safe in your neighborhood? > > Have you ever spent any amount of in these horrible > places? *********************************************** > "Michael R. Cecchini" wrote: > > Not hardly. > > Ever watch the news ?? > > MC > > *************************************** > > > From: "Mark Kitchell" > > > you made the comment, you provide the stats. > > > ******************************************************* > > > I suggest you look at the mortality statistics of > > > each before such commentary. > > > MC > > > > ******************************************* > > > > > From: "Mark Kitchell" > > > > > Typical suburban fearmonger. > > > > > I would be more scared of the soccer mom > > myself > > > > ********************************************** > > > > From: "Michael R. Cecchini" > > > > Make sure your "packing" in those neighborhoods. > > > > MC > > > > > ===== > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 22 14:46:21 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0MJkKO7011671; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 14:46:20 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0MJkKAI011662; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 14:46:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E2EF48C.9711891E@tasam.com> Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 14:44:12 -0500 From: Skip Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: From another list Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit for those of us who are not riding about now, I thought you might like this... Blue skies! Skip January 21st. Doyline, LA. 12:30PM. Temperature 76 degs. The 700cc engine on the '84 Magna catches on the first turn, and then idles smoothly on full choke. After a short time, I kill the choke and ease out of my gravel driveway onto the rural highway. Since the engine is not fully warmed, I accelerate lightly for the first couple of miles. When the temperature guage needle is in the white, I accelerate to 70 indicated, which is the speed at which I like to enter my favorite turn, about five miles down the road from my home. I lean against the T-bag, a permanent fixture on my Magna. It holds my torso in a very comfortable position - not too upright and not too laid back, just comfortable. As the turn approaches I see through the winter-denuded trees that nothing lies in the road and no cars are approaching. I countersteer and the Magna puts its shoulder into the turn, leaning over easily as I lightly apply throttle, tracking the curve in a smooth arc. This first curve of the day sets the tone. If I do it really well, it's going to be a nice ride: for really well read really smoothly. No abrupt speed adjustments, no herky-jerky braking allowed. Although the curve is posted 35mph, it can be safely negotiated at 60 to 70, faster if the adverb is dropped. Passing through single-yellow-blinking-light Doyline, I follow an auto through a yield sign and right turn onto a larger two-lane, 55mph highway. The car accelerates with a degree of moderation that invites - nay, demands - that I flick the Magna into the other lane. I twist the throttle and am rewarded with that deep airbox sound that resurrects the sound I heard from a 4-barrel Holley on a '57 Chevy lo these many years ago. I quickly run through the gears and into overdrive. There is something about rapidly traversing the gear ratios on a V4, shifting each time around 5000 RPM, that is magical. The complex interplay of the clutch, throttle and shiftlever motions, the mellow Jardine commentary to the musical score of the engine, the wind noise rising in intensity. For a brief moment one feels like that king of the world at the bow of the Titanic. But, alas, prudence prevails and I settle into an easy 70 mph pace. The slanting tree shadows cast by the low winter sun slip picket-fence like under the front wheel, slightly disorienting in effect, subtly hypnotic. Soon I make a turn down an acceleration ramp to I20. There is a medium-sized truck just ahead of me. Instead of merging into the traffic stream at 70mph, which is my usual procedure, I must ignominiously follow the truck at 45 or 50 mph. Instead of slicing into the traffic stream I have to sort of ooze into it. But soon enough I'm past the lumbering truck and wisking down the highway at 80 indicated, 75 actual. I like to put my head down near the tank at this speed, so that the wind noise nearly disappears, and listen to the engine for a minute or so. At a steady 4800 or 5200 RPM, the V4 engine has a marvelous sound, a smooth, non-labored sound, a sound that might be described as 'mechanically luxurious', if you know what I mean, and any serious V4 afficiciando must know what I mean. For 25 or 30 miles the stream of traffic carries me along in it. I pass or am passed by cars, sometimes the occupants glancing at me, but most of them engrossed in those private reveries that mitigate the tedium of traveling impotently inside an autowomb on an interstate highway. I turn down a deceleration ramp and come to a full stop, one of those ethereal floating stops. It almost seems unnecessary to put my left foot out, as though I could perfectly balance the cycle without forward motion, as opposed to one of those crappy stops where I have to brake too abruptly because I misestimated distance or speed or both. I turn left onto a two-laner. This road offers grand sweepers through small rolling hills. I glide along as smoothly as a bowling ball on the return ramp, really getting into the beautiful day, luxuriating in the warm air and the liquid flow of my Magna chariot. After about 15 miles, I turn left onto a smaller roller-coaster type road. These curves are definitely not sweepers. They spring on one suddenly, as though waiting in ambush for the unwary. Just before cresting each hump, I raise up in my seat to better see whether hidden danger lies just over the top on the descent side. I enter a tight ess curve at the bottom of a hill, going faster than I would if I could somehow go back and start over. A fear pang spikes for an instant, that pang we've all felt and have grown to love, but I collect myself. Look through the curve. Countersteer. Don't chop the throttle. Stay off the brakes. If you let it, this motorcycle will see you through. And it did with aplomb and ease. The road staggered on like this for 15 or 20 miles.There were sections where the gravel had become totally immersed in the asphalt so that the road surface was two tracks of shiney, black tar. I always wonder how soft and slick this stuff is, particularly on hot Southern summer days. Up and down and round and round; slow down a bit for that car halted at the upcoming intersection; sometimes these farmers don't even bother to look before entering a highway. I come to a stop at an intersection with a major road. Not graceful, this one, because I noticed some gravel at the last moment and had to correct quickly. It is only a few miles into Minden, LA., where I stop in a Wal Mart parking lot to check my phone recorder to see if I have any jobs. Nope. Is this good or bad? Gas up at Citgo and proceed through the Minden downtown on a brick-paved roadway. Stop and go traffic, not entirely unpleasant after the rural twisties on the subpar road. The brick road gives way to macadam, two lanes per side. The Magna slithers through traffic, changing lanes frequently to avoid halted cars, being careful not to cut anyone off or tailgate or do any of the other things that tend to piss people off. A right turn and onto a major two laner going north. Mixed traffic of 18-wheelers and cars. Ninety five percent of the traffic wants to maintain 70 mph. The other 5 percent wants to maintain 60 mph. People passing the laggardly ones expose themselves to hazard only to quickly come up behind another laggard. Passing is pointless. Except when I come up behind an older car that is spewing toxic exhaust. Whew! Gotta either get around this guy or pull off the highway for a while. Patience. Finally, an opportunity. I twist the Magna's throttle, not bothering to downshift because there is plenty of space. I love the way a V4 accelerates in the midrange. At 5 to 6 thousand RPM it's in its comfort zone; it's not at peak horsepower or torque, but there is more than enough. Just turned 57,000 miles. If I don't flog this thing to death, it may outlast me. After 20 miles, I turn left onto another rural highway. Not smooth. Had to brake too aggressively because of the traffic crowding behind me and uncertainty of what might be on the road surface beyond the school bus that is halted at the intersection and around which I must turn. The speed that I awkwardly shed starting into the turn was not excessive per se, but it would be if gravel lay on the road. It didn't. Now I am headed into the Western sun. Just this day put one of those Helimot opaque sunset strips on the top of my visor. It actually works as advertised. I am astounded when anything works as advertised; it just seems plain unAmerican. The road surface is reasonably good, and there is no other traffic. Just me and the trees. So I practice swerving, a maneuver best learned when the occasion doesn't require it. I approach an area thick with pines. Prime deer country. The low angle of the sun creates shade on both sides of the road. I slow down a little, but perhaps not enough. Maybe I'll have to swerve for real. Out of the pines and back up to speed. A vista opens up briefly as the road suddenly drops into the Red River alluvial plain. I can't enjoy the view because I am negotiating a descending ess curve. Time to head back toward home. The next 30 or so miles is uneventful, a mixture of two- and four-laners. In Bossier City I turn onto an acceleration ramp up to I220. It is one of those really nice ramps: long enough to easily attain merging speed and with a fairly shallow angle of entrance that permits fluid melding with the traffic. This road was built before the area was thickly populated, so the engineers had adequate room to create nice ramps like this instead of the cramped ones they are constrained to design in older cities. I cruise in traffic at 70 mph for several miles and then arrive at the junction of I220 and I20. Here is a decreasing radius sweeper of which I am very fond. Before each metal expansion joint I zig a little to lift the bike then immediately zag back into the turn. The car behind me no doubt finds this behavior curious. I always treat metal expansion joints as though it has just rained on them, regardless of whether or not it has. Same with turn signals. If you use them every time you change direction, it becomes automatic. Kinda like Pat Coffee's monkey thing. You gotta train the monkey. On I20 I fall behind a red Cadillac that wants to go about 65 mph. I enter the left lane to pass which prompts him to speed up to about 75 mph. This being a very heavily patrolled area, I drop back behind him only to have him - surprise - drop back down to about 65 mph. After the third time of this bullshit, I pull into the left lane and get a hand full of throttle. This makes it necessary to pass a long string of traffic at about 85 or 90 mph so I can get back into the right lane in time to make my exit (unless I wanted to pull back immediately in front of the Caddy, which I didn't). Chances are the State Trooper who habitually lurks in the trees on the median would not have ticketed me, but it would have rained on my parade if he had. I gassed the Magna up a couple of miles from home. I try to keep the tank full to abate rust. After I pulled into the garage and shut down the engine, I stood for a moment listening to her metal-cooling ticking and snapping noises, her mechanical soliloquy. All in all, not a bad ride. Did some things very well, others not so well. Nothing downright bad. No one snatched my fate out of my own hands, for which - if I am honest - I should be thankful, for it is purely a matter of chance. Bob Simms Doyline, LA From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 22 14:46:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0MJktO7013068; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 14:46:55 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0MJks2D013059; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 14:46:54 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20030122144356.01e31f00@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 14:46:46 -0500 To: dc-cycles From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: I'm Back/Crappy Morning/New Battery In-Reply-To: <20030122194054.30325.qmail@web13808.mail.yahoo.com> References: <5.2.0.9.2.20030122143107.01e111f8@pop.east.cox.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 02:40 PM 1/22/2003, Mark Kitchell wrote: >Ha! But there only the guards are (allowed) to be >armed, right?? > >Otherwise it would be mass murder daily. > >7 HOURS? Do tell........ yeah, but that's not counting the 4.5 hours I stood in line in Leesburgs DMV only to be told, (I was the next one in the door btw), that their photo machine just broke and they couldn't renew anyones drivers licenses. Guess what I had to do? Yup...a written exam (I was a bad boy) and a license renewal. *sigh*. So...the next day I went to Chantillys office...for 7 hours. 4 hours outside and 3 hours with a number inside. DMV blows big chunks. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 22 14:51:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0MJpFO7013849; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 14:51:15 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0MJpEgB013839; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 14:51:14 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030122195107.32521.qmail@web13808.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 11:51:07 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: I'm Back/Crappy Morning/New Battery To: "Michael R. Cecchini" , DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <138f01c2c24e$6f97c450$7a5dfea9@mikescomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Suggest you should have taken your own advice before opening your mouth in the first place. --- "Michael R. Cecchini" wrote: > If my neighborhood had the same "qualities", then > I'd say the same thing. Race has nothing to do with > it. > > BTW............I worked over "there" for over 10 > yrs. > Suggest you think before you speak and make more > a fool of yourself. > > MC > ***************************************** > >From: "Mark Kitchell" > > Your not-so-subtle racist comment would probably > be pretty offensive to > > them. How would you like it if I suggested one > needs > > a gun to feel safe in your neighborhood? > > > > Have you ever spent any amount of in these > horrible > > places? > *********************************************** > > "Michael R. Cecchini" wrote: > > > Not hardly. > > > Ever watch the news ?? > > > MC > > > *************************************** > > > > From: "Mark Kitchell" > > > > you made the comment, you provide the stats. > > > > > > ******************************************************* > > > > I suggest you look at the mortality statistics > of > > > > each before such commentary. > > > > MC > > > > > ******************************************* > > > > > > From: "Mark Kitchell" > > > > > > Typical suburban fearmonger. > > > > > > I would be more scared of the soccer mom > > > myself > > > > > > ********************************************** > > > > > From: "Michael R. Cecchini" > > > > > Make sure your "packing" in those > neighborhoods. > > > > > MC > > > > > > > > > ===== > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up > now. > > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 22 15:25:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0MKPsO7016227; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 15:25:54 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0MKPrwA016212; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 15:25:53 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030122202551.25249.qmail@web13802.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 12:25:51 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Eliminator ZL 900 for Sale To: DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii This guy who tried to help me today is selling his Kawasaki ZL 900 Eliminator. This is a pretty rare bike, only imported for one or two years. Very fast and lots of drag parts for it. Price $3,500 My first bike was an Eliminator ZL600 and they are fun standard type bikes. Call Carl at 301-780-4327 or 301-455-4377. He also has a 1980 Corvette 350 and Race Car Trailer for sale ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 22 15:47:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0MKleO7017748; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 15:47:40 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0MKldwJ017738; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 15:47:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E2F04AA.8D39A991@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 15:52:58 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Carl Schelin CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Hah! References: <0301220615494I.02506@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I should have geared up and taken the scoot. Took the truck instead, bad move. Nearest long term parking meter was more'n half a dang mile from the search room! Cost $3 in quarters. So I froze my skinny butt off on the walk. Crappers. Ride scoot, 10 quick miles of frostys, and a very short walk to heated repose, like cross a street. Parking free! Bill Carl Schelin wrote: > When I went out yesterday at 4pm, the roads were clear. I had to scrape some > snow off of the seat and from the tank and tree but I let the rest steam off. > > I got all wrapped up this morning and other than cold thighs, thumbs and big > toes, all was well. > > I didn't see any black ice until I got to Independance Ave. There are a > couple of very small patches in the right lane. > > Anyway, a couple of weeks ago, a biker here lost his backpack off of the back > of his bike trashing his Mac Titanium that he had _just_ gotten configured. > Oddly enough, the next day when I got home, my tail bag was hanging from the > strap (I use the velcro as a third restraint threading it through the hand > strap along with the two bungie cords). > > Anyway, I had to bring my laptop in this morning so I kept reaching back to > check it. We got here ok fortunately. > > Carl > -- > Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) > finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 22 15:53:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0MKrNO7018528; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 15:53:23 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0MKrKiY018513; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 15:53:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E2F0605.C922618C@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 15:58:45 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Michael R. Cecchini" CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: I'm Back/Crappy Morning/New Battery References: <127101c2c237$a61ec760$7a5dfea9@mikescomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Michael R. Cecchini" wrote: > Make sure your "packing" in those neighborhoods. > > MC I seem to recall tis illegal to pack in DC. Not to mention that since 1962 when I blew into this burg, I've never felt a need to be armed. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 22 15:55:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0MKtZO7018581; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 15:55:35 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0MKtZdO018573; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 15:55:35 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E2F0688.CC529D01@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 16:00:56 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Aki Damme CC: dc-cycles Subject: Re: I'm Back/Crappy Morning/New Battery References: <130101c2c241$caecbb10$7a5dfea9@mikescomputer> <5.2.0.9.2.20030122143107.01e111f8@pop.east.cox.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Aki Damme wrote: > At 02:28 PM 1/22/2003, you wrote: > >Yeah I watch the news. And I see lots of hard working > >people in those neighborhoods. Your not-so-subtle > >racist comment would probably be pretty offensive to > >them. How would you like it if I suggested one needs > >a gun to feel safe in your neighborhood? > > > >Have you ever spent any amount of in these horrible > >places? > > I spent 7 hours at a Va. DMV last week, does that count? > > 8-P OHMIGOD! Not the VA DMV! Maybe that's what MC meant, pack a lunch, and maybe dinner to survive the DMV. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 22 15:56:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0MKuJO7018640; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 15:56:19 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0MKuIbJ018633; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 15:56:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030122205616.32345.qmail@web13802.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 12:56:16 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: I'm Back/Crappy Morning/New Battery To: "William J. Huson" , "Michael R. Cecchini" Cc: DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <3E2F0605.C922618C@patriot.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Thats cause you scare away everyone with your ugly mug! J/king of course. Are you doing Tour de Friends this year. --- "William J. Huson" wrote: > "Michael R. Cecchini" wrote: > > > Make sure your "packing" in those neighborhoods. > > > > MC > > I seem to recall tis illegal to pack in DC. Not to > mention that since 1962 when > I blew into this burg, I've never felt a need to be > armed. > > Bill > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 22 15:56:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0MKulO7018692; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 15:56:47 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0MKukBp018685; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 15:56:46 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20030122155507.01e41988@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 15:56:39 -0500 To: dc-cycles From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: I'm Back/Crappy Morning/New Battery In-Reply-To: <3E2F0605.C922618C@patriot.net> References: <127101c2c237$a61ec760$7a5dfea9@mikescomputer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 03:58 PM 1/22/2003, you wrote: >"Michael R. Cecchini" wrote: > > > Make sure your "packing" in those neighborhoods. > > > > MC > >I seem to recall tis illegal to pack in DC. Not to mention that >since 1962 when >I blew into this burg, I've never felt a need to be armed. > >Bill besides most of the packing is done around the Dupont Circle area. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA oh gawd I kill myself. No please, no applause, you're too kind....really.. I'll be here all week folks. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 22 15:59:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0MKxlO7018767; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 15:59:47 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0MKxlYL018756; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 15:59:47 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Motor PsychoL Danny To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Hah! Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 16:04:52 -0500 Message-ID: References: <0301220615494I.02506@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> <3E2F04AA.8D39A991@patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <3E2F04AA.8D39A991@patriot.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.91/32.564 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id h0MKxjO7018739 For those of you who are fairly new to riding, learn that lesson from other peoples posts. If you're going to use a cargo net, use some type of extra back up restraining item like a bungie cord. I've had a jacket come out, and helmets come out, when I soley used the bungee net. It just doens't hold items that well. Now when i hook my helmets to my bike, I hook the helmet on the hook under the seat, then use a bungie CoRD to hold the helmeet on top of my seat and up out of the way so that I can lanesplit/filter. Plus it doesn't bounce around as it would if it were haning on the side. Also if i want to transport, say a jacket, I won't bungie it to the back seat, I will bungie it to the gas tank. There is a lot less wind to catch it and blow it off your bike. So if i were going ot transport something like a bookbag, or laptop computer, I would affix it to my gas tank most likely. Or at least add a minimum of 2 bungee cords in conjunction with the net. Learn this lesson from words now, or lose something later! wise people learn from their mistakes. Wiser people learn from others. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 22 16:02:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0ML2NO7019552; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 16:02:23 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0ML2N1N019541; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 16:02:23 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 16:02:16 -0500 (EST) From: "Daniel H. Brown" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Hah! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 22 Jan 2003, Motor PsychoL Danny wrote: > Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 16:04:52 -0500 > From: Motor PsychoL Danny > > wise people learn from their mistakes. Wiser people learn from others. > Who are you and what did you do with Danny? -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 22 16:06:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0ML6hO7021710; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 16:06:43 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0ML6hFF021698; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 16:06:43 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <13f801c2c25a$10a4b4b0$7a5dfea9@mikescomputer> From: "Michael R. Cecchini" To: "DC Cycles" References: <127101c2c237$a61ec760$7a5dfea9@mikescomputer> <3E2F0605.C922618C@patriot.net> Subject: Re: I'm Back/Crappy Morning/New Battery Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 16:05:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out001.verizon.net from [141.156.150.238] at Wed, 22 Jan 2003 15:06:35 -0600 Ha !! It's also illegal to kill someone in D.C. I'd much rather take my chances with the legal system than if I have nothing to protect myself should the occasion arise. Ideally one would try to avoid the whole issue by location selection, which has worked well for me over the years. MC **************************************************** > From: William J. Huson > I seem to recall tis illegal to pack in DC. Not to mention that since 1962 when > I blew into this burg, I've never felt a need to be armed. **************************************************** > > Make sure your "packing" in those neighborhoods. > > MC From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 22 16:07:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0ML7PO7023145; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 16:07:25 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0ML7P9K023141; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 16:07:25 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E2F069B.33B30541@carlparker.com> Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 16:01:15 -0500 From: Carl Parker X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en,zh-CN MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DCCycles Subject: unhappy motor! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What is it about Triumphs and firez? :P CP >The lastest challenge is to resurrect a Triumph >Bonneville that was in a fire. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 22 16:14:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0MLEUO7023953; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 16:14:30 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0MLESQO023938; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 16:14:28 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <13fe01c2c25b$2443a2a0$7a5dfea9@mikescomputer> From: "Michael R. Cecchini" To: "DC Cycles" References: <0301220615494I.02506@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> <3E2F04AA.8D39A991@patriot.net> Subject: Re: Hah! Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 16:13:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out005.verizon.net from [141.156.150.238] at Wed, 22 Jan 2003 15:14:18 -0600 Saddlebags. MC ******************************************** >From: "Motor PsychoL Danny" > wise people learn from their mistakes. Wiser people learn from others. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 22 16:21:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0MLLsO7026139; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 16:21:54 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0MLLskd026127; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 16:21:54 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <007401c2c25c$be23eb40$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "William J. Huson" , "Michael R. Cecchini" Cc: "DC Cycles" References: <127101c2c237$a61ec760$7a5dfea9@mikescomputer> <3E2F0605.C922618C@patriot.net> Subject: Re: I'm Back/Crappy Morning/New Battery Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 16:24:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Pack, heck, it's illegal to possess a handgun, although this and the adultery statute in the DC Code are probably the two most widely flouted regulations. But don't fear, the MPD will hold a "buy-back" program where firearms that last saw action in the Spanish-American War get turned in for cash money. It's such a farce. Paul in DC < > "Michael R. Cecchini" wrote: > > > Make sure your "packing" in those neighborhoods. > > > > MC > > I seem to recall tis illegal to pack in DC. Not to mention that since 1962 when > I blew into this burg, I've never felt a need to be armed. > > Bill > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 22 16:38:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0MLcFO7026988; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 16:38:15 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0MLcFLK026978; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 16:38:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 Subject: RE: I'm Back/Crappy Morning/New Battery Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 16:38:07 -0500 Message-ID: <92EE52C13F8034478B4B9F85DA67A6664092A9@rnc1.rnchq.org> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: I'm Back/Crappy Morning/New Battery Thread-Index: AcLCXGUbaZB54RQIQNWfKTH8j2tyVQAAIMSw From: "Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services" To: "Paul Wilson" , "William J. Huson" , "Michael R. Cecchini" Cc: "DC Cycles" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id h0MLcDO7026961 I remember the last time they did the "gun buy back" program in DC. They were paying $100 for a handgun and 1/2(?) of that for a rifle. My idea was to purchase some saturday night specials and turn in a truckload for a nice profit. The cheapest manufacturer I found was in CA and sold some dinky hanguns at $40-45 wholesale, but they just recently went out of business. In the end, I didn't have enough time to do thorough research, consult a lawyer, and verify and double/triple check all the clauses and regulations to cover my ass. I'm sure they probably placed a limit on the number of guns you could turn in or something to that extent. Speaking of guns. Did anyone take the NRA safety class? Is it worth the $$$? On a sidenote, today was probably the coldest day I have ridden. I think things would have been OK if it wasn't for the 20mph wind. Witold www.witold.org/bike/bike.php3 > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Wilson [mailto:pawilson@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 4:24 PM > To: William J. Huson; Michael R. Cecchini > Cc: DC Cycles > Subject: Re: I'm Back/Crappy Morning/New Battery > > > Pack, heck, it's illegal to possess a handgun, although this and the > adultery statute > in the DC Code are probably the two most widely flouted > regulations. But > don't > fear, the MPD will hold a "buy-back" program where firearms > that last saw > action in the Spanish-American War get turned in for cash > money. It's such > a > farce. > > Paul in DC < 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - IBA # 12143 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "William J. Huson" > > > > > "Michael R. Cecchini" wrote: > > > > > Make sure your "packing" in those neighborhoods. > > > > > > MC > > > > I seem to recall tis illegal to pack in DC. Not to mention > that since > 1962 when > > I blew into this burg, I've never felt a need to be armed. > > > > Bill > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 22 16:52:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0MLqlO7027817; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 16:52:47 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0MLqlem027806; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 16:52:47 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030122215245.47083.qmail@web11502.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 13:52:45 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: I'm Back/Crappy Morning/New Battery To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20030122155507.01e41988@pop.east.cox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii ROTFLMAO! Glenn --- Aki Damme wrote: > besides most of the packing is done around the > Dupont Circle area. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 22 17:02:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0MM2oO7028612; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 17:02:50 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0MM2nDU028602; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 17:02:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 17:02:42 -0500 (EST) From: "Daniel H. Brown" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: I'm Back/Crappy Morning/New Battery In-Reply-To: <20030122215245.47083.qmail@web11502.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 22 Jan 2003, Glenn Dysart wrote: > > ROTFLMAO! > > Glenn > > --- Aki Damme wrote: > > besides most of the packing is done around the > > Dupont Circle area. You fuckwads will get your panty's in a bunch when someone makes what could possibly be considered a racist comment about the relative lack of security of some parts of town, but then get a good chuckle out of disparaging a different section of society in a different part of town. What the hell? -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 22 17:06:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0MM6UO7029372; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 17:06:30 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0MM6UUk029365; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 17:06:30 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20030122170519.01e62ea8@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 17:06:17 -0500 To: dc-cycles From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: I'm Back/Crappy Morning/New Battery In-Reply-To: References: <20030122215245.47083.qmail@web11502.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 05:02 PM 1/22/2003, you wrote: >On Wed, 22 Jan 2003, Glenn Dysart wrote: > > > > ROTFLMAO! > > > > Glenn > > > > --- Aki Damme wrote: > > > besides most of the packing is done around the > > > Dupont Circle area. > > >You fuckwads will get your panty's in a bunch when someone makes >what could >possibly be considered a racist comment about the relative lack of >security >of some parts of town, but then get a good chuckle out of >disparaging a >different section of society in a different part of town. > >What the hell? yeah..so what's you're fucking point? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 22 17:07:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0MM7CO7029430; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 17:07:12 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0MM7CES029424; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 17:07:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030122220709.90270.qmail@web11503.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 14:07:09 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: I'm Back/Crappy Morning/New Battery To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Actually, I get a chuckle out of all of it. I'm non-discriminatory... I hate everyone! Glenn (the fuckwad) --- "Daniel H. Brown" wrote: > On Wed, 22 Jan 2003, Glenn Dysart wrote: > > > > ROTFLMAO! > > > > Glenn > > > > --- Aki Damme wrote: > > > besides most of the packing is done around the > > > Dupont Circle area. > > > You fuckwads will get your panty's in a bunch when > someone makes what could > possibly be considered a racist comment about the > relative lack of security > of some parts of town, but then get a good chuckle > out of disparaging a > different section of society in a different part of > town. > > What the hell? > > > > -- > Dan Brown > brown@XXXXXX > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 22 17:10:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0MMA8O7030207; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 17:10:08 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0MMA7oe030194; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 17:10:07 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 17:10:00 -0500 (EST) From: "Daniel H. Brown" To: dc-cycles Subject: Re: I'm Back/Crappy Morning/New Battery In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20030122170519.01e62ea8@pop.east.cox.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 22 Jan 2003, Aki Damme wrote: > > > >You fuckwads will get your panty's in a bunch when someone makes > >what could > >possibly be considered a racist comment about the relative lack of > >security > >of some parts of town, but then get a good chuckle out of > >disparaging a > >different section of society in a different part of town. > > > >What the hell? > > yeah..so what's you're fucking point? > My fucking point? That, while you have the right to have your opinions on stuff like that, one is no more acceptable than the other. -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 22 17:13:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0MMDMO7030284; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 17:13:22 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0MMDL2j030278; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 17:13:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20030122171118.01e49ea0@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 17:13:13 -0500 To: dc-cycles From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: I'm Back/Crappy Morning/New Battery In-Reply-To: References: <5.2.0.9.2.20030122170519.01e62ea8@pop.east.cox.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 05:10 PM 1/22/2003, Daniel H. Brown wrote: >On Wed, 22 Jan 2003, Aki Damme wrote: > > > > > >You fuckwads will get your panty's in a bunch when someone makes > > > >what could > > >possibly be considered a racist comment about the relative lack > of > > >security > > >of some parts of town, but then get a good chuckle out of > > >disparaging a > > >different section of society in a different part of town. > > > > > >What the hell? > > > > yeah..so what's you're fucking point? > > > >My fucking point? That, while you have the right to have your >opinions on stuff like that, one is no more acceptable than the >other. yeah? So what are you whining about then? I never disagreed with anything that was previously posted. So take the violin somewhere else. Like you said, I have the right. Don't like it, don't read it. Simple huh? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 22 17:15:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0MMFlO7031748; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 17:15:47 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0MMFkqO031733; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 17:15:46 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030122221544.25550.qmail@web11103.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 14:15:44 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: I'm Back/Crappy Morning/New Battery To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I kinda don't understand how anyone could get a "racist comment" out of an email that didn't mention race in the slightest. I'm also not sure I understand how people can get their "panty's [sic] in a bunch" about a simple joke that isn't really disparaging at all. ... But what I REALLY don't understand is why anyone thinks this list CARES about this off-topic crap! Take it off-list, you [bleep]wads! Chris Weaver --- "Daniel H. Brown" wrote: > You [bleep]wads will get your panty's in a bunch when > someone makes what could > possibly be considered a racist comment about the > relative lack of security > of some parts of town, but then get a good chuckle > out of disparaging a > different section of society in a different part of > town. > > What the hell? __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 22 17:16:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0MMGdO7031800; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 17:16:39 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0MMGdOx031793; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 17:16:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030122221637.93953.qmail@web11506.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 14:16:37 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: I'm Back/Crappy Morning/New Battery To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Quite honestly I'm trying to figure out how the "race card" got thrown in here. Just saying that one part of town has more crime then another has nothing to do with the race of people that live there. Seems like people need to lighten up some and stop ass-u-me-ing things. Glenn --- "Daniel H. Brown" wrote: > On Wed, 22 Jan 2003, Aki Damme wrote: > > > > > >You fuckwads will get your panty's in a bunch > when someone makes > > >what could > > >possibly be considered a racist comment about the > relative lack of > > >security > > >of some parts of town, but then get a good > chuckle out of > > >disparaging a > > >different section of society in a different part > of town. > > > > > >What the hell? > > > > yeah..so what's you're fucking point? > > > > My fucking point? That, while you have the right to > have your > opinions on stuff like that, one is no more > acceptable than the > other. > > -- > Dan Brown > brown@XXXXXX > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 22 17:43:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0MMhRO7001658; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 17:43:27 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0MMhQaj001651; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 17:43:26 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030122224324.16189.qmail@web13901.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 14:43:24 -0800 (PST) From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: EZPass no longer free. To: DC-Cycles In-Reply-To: <003501c2c242$344a2660$bb82fea9@palladio1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Paul Wilson wrote: > Maryland is a full-fledged member of > EZPass; it should work > all the way to Beantown. I've only field-tested my > Maryhadalittleland > EZPass as far as the Lincoln Tunnel. Works fine, no > monthly charges. We've used ours all the way up to the Canadian border, no problems. -- Larry __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 22 18:00:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0MN0lO7002527; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 18:00:47 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0MN0lxg002517; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 18:00:47 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <145201c2c26a$002bd630$7a5dfea9@mikescomputer> From: "Michael R. Cecchini" To: "DC Cycles" References: <20030122215414.83712.qmail@web11504.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: I'm Back/Crappy Morning/New Battery Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 17:56:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at pop018.verizon.net from [141.156.150.238] at Wed, 22 Jan 2003 17:00:39 -0600 Yeah..............I've my fill of bleeding hearts that haven't a clue when it comes to reality. Mike *********************************************** > From: "Glenn Dysart" > Welcome to the ultra liberal world of Mark Kitchell. > He has been quite the entertainment for some time > now... > > Glenn > > > --- "Michael R. Cecchini" > wrote: > > If my neighborhood had the same "qualities", then > > I'd say the same thing. Race has nothing to do with > > it. > > > > BTW............I worked over "there" for over 10 > > yrs. > > Suggest you think before you speak and make more > > a fool of yourself. > > > > MC > > ***************************************** > > >From: "Mark Kitchell" > > > Your not-so-subtle racist comment would probably > > be pretty offensive to > > > them. How would you like it if I suggested one > > needs > > > a gun to feel safe in your neighborhood? > > > > > > Have you ever spent any amount of in these > > horrible > > > places? > > *********************************************** > > > "Michael R. Cecchini" wrote: > > > > Not hardly. > > > > Ever watch the news ?? > > > > MC > > > > *************************************** > > > > > From: "Mark Kitchell" > > > > > you made the comment, you provide the stats. > > > > > > > > > > ******************************************************* > > > > > I suggest you look at the mortality statistics > > of > > > > > each before such commentary. > > > > > MC > > > > > > ******************************************* > > > > > > > From: "Mark Kitchell" > > > > > > > Typical suburban fearmonger. > > > > > > > I would be more scared of the soccer mom > > > > myself > > > > > > > > ********************************************** > > > > > > From: "Michael R. Cecchini" > > > > > > Make sure your "packing" in those > > neighborhoods. > > > > > > MC > > > > > > > > > > > > > ===== > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up > > now. > > > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 22 18:05:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0MN5uO7003396; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 18:05:56 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0MN5tuo003386; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 18:05:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <146c01c2c26a$b6233dc0$7a5dfea9@mikescomputer> From: "Michael R. Cecchini" To: "DC Cycles" References: <20030122221637.93953.qmail@web11506.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: I'm Back/Crappy Morning/New Battery Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 18:02:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at pop015.verizon.net from [141.156.150.238] at Wed, 22 Jan 2003 17:05:42 -0600 Thank you. MC ********************************************* >From: Glenn Dysart > Quite honestly I'm trying to figure out how the "race > card" got thrown in here. Just saying that one part > of town has more crime then another has nothing to do > with the race of people that live there. Seems like > people need to lighten up some and stop ass-u-me-ing > things. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 22 18:08:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0MN8TO7003456; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 18:08:29 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0MN8TFo003450; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 18:08:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030122230827.15049.qmail@web13803.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 15:08:27 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: I'm Back/Crappy Morning/New Battery To: Glenn Dysart , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20030122221637.93953.qmail@web11506.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I love it! The race card. I have never actually seen on of them, but people sure do talk about it quite a bit. Do you know where I can buy a race card? How does one use it when obtained? I am sure all the minorities in DC who live below the poverty line would love to get one. If your contry club issues them anytime, please let me know and I will have the kids I tutor come pick some up. Listen, you can assume what you like. If you think he didn't mean 'be careful you don't get shot in those black ghettos' fine. I am just not that naive. I have lived around the jokes, innuendos, etc my entire life. Participated in some of it too. Not too proud of that. But it allows me to sniff it out. Racism is not around every corner but its probably around a lot more corners than us white guys think. That being said, I really don't know what Cecchini feels in his heart. But it was one of those stupid and racially loaded statements Mark PS: This is the last post on this topic from me. However, you people on this list are so easy and fun to mess with. Push a few buttons and most of you run in the same (right) direction. Now if you are such a tough guy, go ride your bike to work tomorrow. --- Glenn Dysart wrote: > Quite honestly I'm trying to figure out how the > "race > card" got thrown in here. Just saying that one part > of town has more crime then another has nothing to > do > with the race of people that live there. Seems like > people need to lighten up some and stop ass-u-me-ing > things. > > Glenn > > --- "Daniel H. Brown" wrote: > > On Wed, 22 Jan 2003, Aki Damme wrote: > > > > > > > >You fuckwads will get your panty's in a bunch > > when someone makes > > > >what could > > > >possibly be considered a racist comment about > the > > relative lack of > > > >security > > > >of some parts of town, but then get a good > > chuckle out of > > > >disparaging a > > > >different section of society in a different > part > > of town. > > > > > > > >What the hell? > > > > > > yeah..so what's you're fucking point? > > > > > > > My fucking point? That, while you have the right > to > > have your > > opinions on stuff like that, one is no more > > acceptable than the > > other. > > > > -- > > Dan Brown > > brown@XXXXXX > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up > now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 22 18:16:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0MNGMO7005015; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 18:16:22 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0MNGMPA005005; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 18:16:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20030122180911.00a24700@mail.hq.nasa.gov> X-Sender: cschelin@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 18:11:07 -0500 To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX From: Carl Schelin Subject: Re: Hah! In-Reply-To: <3E2F04AA.8D39A991@patriot.net> References: <0301220615494I.02506@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed See, that's why I survive. I have a fat butt ;-) I seem to have a pretty good metabolism. My wife complains that after a minute or two inside, my hands are nice and warm. She says that I shouldn't be as big as I am. I just tell her that I'm efficient :-) Snow in the morning. Wooo Hooo! Carl At 03:52 PM 1/22/03 -0500, William J. Huson wrote: >I should have geared up and taken the scoot. Took the truck instead, bad >move. >Nearest long term parking meter was more'n half a dang mile from the search >room! Cost $3 in quarters. So I froze my skinny butt off on the walk. >Crappers. Ride scoot, 10 quick miles of frostys, and a very short walk to >heated >repose, like cross a street. Parking free! > >Bill > >Carl Schelin wrote: > > > When I went out yesterday at 4pm, the roads were clear. I had to scrape > some > > snow off of the seat and from the tank and tree but I let the rest > steam off. > > > > I got all wrapped up this morning and other than cold thighs, thumbs > and big > > toes, all was well. > > > > I didn't see any black ice until I got to Independance Ave. There are a > > couple of very small patches in the right lane. > > > > Anyway, a couple of weeks ago, a biker here lost his backpack off of > the back > > of his bike trashing his Mac Titanium that he had _just_ gotten configured. > > Oddly enough, the next day when I got home, my tail bag was hanging > from the > > strap (I use the velcro as a third restraint threading it through the hand > > strap along with the two bungie cords). > > > > Anyway, I had to bring my laptop in this morning so I kept reaching back to > > check it. We got here ok fortunately. > > > > Carl > > -- > > Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 > FXSTI) > > finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 22 18:20:52 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0MNKpO7005795; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 18:20:51 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0MNKpFB005785; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 18:20:51 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20030122181152.00a91ec0@mail.hq.nasa.gov> X-Sender: cschelin@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 18:15:36 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Carl Schelin Subject: Re: Hah! In-Reply-To: References: <3E2F04AA.8D39A991@patriot.net> <0301220615494I.02506@XXXXXX> <3E2F04AA.8D39A991@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed My main rule is to run a bungie cord through a strap on the bag or through the sleeve on a coat (to use your example). I usually have 4 or 5 cords anyway. I had to transport my laptop and a 500 page contract in a binder in my backpack along with the other junk. I used the cords under the backpack straps and through the hole in the backrest. I also pulled the straps around and snugged them in front of the backrest so I leaned on them. The backpack didn't budge although I did check it fairly often. Carl At 04:04 PM 1/22/03 -0500, Motor PsychoL Danny wrote: > For those of you who are fairly new to riding, learn that lesson from >other peoples posts. If you're going to use a cargo net, use some type >of extra back up restraining item like a bungie cord. > >I've had a jacket come out, and helmets come out, when I soley used >the bungee net. It just doens't hold items that well. Now when i >hook my helmets to my bike, I hook the helmet on the hook under the >seat, then use a bungie CoRD to hold the helmeet on top of my seat and >up out of the way so that I can lanesplit/filter. Plus it doesn't >bounce around as it would if it were haning on the side. > >Also if i want to transport, say a jacket, I won't bungie it to the >back seat, I will bungie it to the gas tank. There is a lot less wind >to catch it and blow it off your bike. > >So if i were going ot transport something like a bookbag, or laptop >computer, I would affix it to my gas tank most likely. Or at least >add a minimum of 2 bungee cords in conjunction with the net. > >Learn this lesson from words now, or lose something later! > >wise people learn from their mistakes. Wiser people learn from others. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 22 18:22:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0MNM3O7005863; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 18:22:03 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0MNM3p1005853; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 18:22:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20030122181552.00a90d30@mail.hq.nasa.gov> X-Sender: cschelin@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 18:16:48 -0500 To: "DC Cycles" From: Carl Schelin Subject: Re: Hah! In-Reply-To: <13fe01c2c25b$2443a2a0$7a5dfea9@mikescomputer> References: <0301220615494I.02506@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> <3E2F04AA.8D39A991@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed He actually thought about putting the laptop into his saddlebags (he has a cop bike) but decided against it because it'd bounce around when coming up from Stafford to DC. Who woulda thunk ;-) Carl At 04:13 PM 1/22/03 -0500, Michael R. Cecchini wrote: >Saddlebags. > >MC >******************************************** > >From: "Motor PsychoL Danny" > > wise people learn from their mistakes. Wiser people learn from others. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 22 18:26:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0MNQSO7006679; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 18:26:28 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0MNQSFo006671; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 18:26:28 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20030122181740.00a96660@mail.hq.nasa.gov> X-Sender: cschelin@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 18:21:17 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Carl Schelin Subject: Re: Riding tomorrow (was: [some drivel, no offense :-]) In-Reply-To: <20030122230827.15049.qmail@web13803.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030122221637.93953.qmail@web11506.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 03:08 PM 1/22/03 -0800, Mark Kitchell wrote: >Now if you are such a tough guy, go ride your bike to >work tomorrow. I rode in yesterday and today. Does that make me a tough guy or just nuts? :-) :-) (Technically I think I'm just seeing how cold I can go "because it's there" --Everest Quote) If it's snowing when I leave, I'm taking the truck. I won't drive in the snow on purpose (hey, they forecasted light flurries) but if it's clear, I'm on the bike again. Carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 22 18:31:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0MNV8O7007452; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 18:31:08 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0MNV72A007442; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 18:31:07 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <14aa01c2c26e$3b99ee10$7a5dfea9@mikescomputer> From: "Michael R. Cecchini" To: "DC Cycles" References: <20030122230827.15049.qmail@web13803.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: NMC----Racial Remarks NOT AAppreciated Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 18:30:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out003.verizon.net from [141.156.150.238] at Wed, 22 Jan 2003 17:30:57 -0600 What I feel in my heart has nothing to do with what I said. What I said was an open a pure fact, but you chose to put your own twist on it. The neighborhoods posted with DC Auto Zones are THE neighborhoods with the mortality statistics at the top of this metro area. That's a fact.................not racist. So take your racial remarks elsewhere. Mike Cecchini *************************************************** > From: "Mark Kitchell" > I really don't know what Cecchini > feels in his heart. But it was one of those stupid > and racially loaded statements From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 22 18:39:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0MNdrO7008954; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 18:39:53 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0MNdqcZ008944; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 18:39:52 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <009601c2c270$042bcbe0$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: , "Carl Schelin" References: <3E2F04AA.8D39A991@patriot.net><0301220615494I.02506@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov><3E2F04AA.8D39A991@patriot.net> <5.1.0.14.0.20030122181152.00a91ec0@mail.hq.nasa.gov> Subject: Re: Hah! Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 18:40:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl Schelin" > My main rule is to run a bungie cord through a strap on the bag or through > the sleeve on a coat (to use your example). I usually have 4 or 5 cords anyway. > > I had to transport my laptop and a 500 page contract in a binder in my > backpack along with the other junk. .. > > Carl The solution is for you gubmint folks to write shorter contracts, but I think whoever prepares them gets paid by the word. Tongue planted firmly in cheek and in all good humor. :) Although a worker's comp claim due to overloaded backpack has promise.... BTW, I find the bike the perfect excuse to get out of odious "homework." "Sorry, can't take that humongous box to FedEx." I did carry a largish roll of drawings this AM; stuffed it under the passenger grab rail on the VF. Works great as long as it doesn't rain. We now return to the regularly scheduled bashing of the last remaining place on the planet bereft of a Wal-Mart. Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - IBA # 12143 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 22 18:40:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0MNelO7009010; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 18:40:47 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0MNelKe009005; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 18:40:47 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030122234045.51255.qmail@web11505.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 15:40:45 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: I'm Back/Crappy Morning/New Battery To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20030122230827.15049.qmail@web13803.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Ahhh the beauty of an "ultra liberal"... gotta love it. Can't say anything without offending one of em. Must be a pretty sad life to get so offended at the littlest things that can be twisted around to mean anything. Glenn --- Mark Kitchell wrote: > I love it! The race card. I have never actually > seen > on of them, but people sure do talk about it quite a > bit. Do you know where I can buy a race card? How > does one use it when obtained? I am sure all the > minorities in DC who live below the poverty line > would > love to get one. If your contry club issues them > anytime, please let me know and I will have the kids > I > tutor come pick some up. > > Listen, you can assume what you like. If you think > he > didn't mean 'be careful you don't get shot in those > black ghettos' fine. I am just not that naive. I > have lived around the jokes, innuendos, etc my > entire > life. Participated in some of it too. Not too > proud > of that. But it allows me to sniff it out. Racism > is > not around every corner but its probably around a > lot > more corners than us white guys think. > > That being said, I really don't know what Cecchini > feels in his heart. But it was one of those stupid > and racially loaded statements > > Mark > > PS: This is the last post on this topic from me. > However, you people on this list are so easy and fun > to mess with. Push a few buttons and most of you > run > in the same (right) direction. > > Now if you are such a tough guy, go ride your bike > to > work tomorrow. > > > > > > > > > --- Glenn Dysart wrote: > > Quite honestly I'm trying to figure out how the > > "race > > card" got thrown in here. Just saying that one > part > > of town has more crime then another has nothing to > > do > > with the race of people that live there. Seems > like > > people need to lighten up some and stop > ass-u-me-ing > > things. > > > > Glenn > > > > --- "Daniel H. Brown" > wrote: > > > On Wed, 22 Jan 2003, Aki Damme wrote: > > > > > > > > > >You fuckwads will get your panty's in a bunch > > > when someone makes > > > > >what could > > > > >possibly be considered a racist comment about > > the > > > relative lack of > > > > >security > > > > >of some parts of town, but then get a good > > > chuckle out of > > > > >disparaging a > > > > >different section of society in a different > > part > > > of town. > > > > > > > > > >What the hell? > > > > > > > > yeah..so what's you're fucking point? > > > > > > > > > > My fucking point? That, while you have the right > > to > > > have your > > > opinions on stuff like that, one is no more > > > acceptable than the > > > other. > > > > > > -- > > > Dan Brown > > > brown@XXXXXX > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up > > now. > > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > > > > ===== > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up > now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 22 18:50:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0MNo8O7011245; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 18:50:08 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0MNnmUV011190; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 18:49:48 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20030122183854.00a8da10@mail.hq.nasa.gov> X-Sender: cschelin@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 18:44:36 -0500 To: From: Carl Schelin Subject: Re: Hah! In-Reply-To: <009601c2c270$042bcbe0$bb82fea9@palladio1> References: <3E2F04AA.8D39A991@patriot.net> <0301220615494I.02506@XXXXXX> <3E2F04AA.8D39A991@XXXXXX> <5.1.0.14.0.20030122181152.00a91ec0@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 06:40 PM 1/22/03 -0500, Paul Wilson wrote: >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Carl Schelin" > > > I had to transport my laptop and a 500 page contract in a binder in my > > backpack along with the other junk. .. > > > > Carl > >The solution is for you gubmint folks to write shorter contracts, but I >think whoever prepares them gets paid by the word. Tongue planted >firmly in cheek and in all good humor. :) Although a worker's comp claim >due to overloaded backpack has promise.... Sorry, not guilty. I'm a contractor scum working in the dungeon of despair. I'm tasked with upgrading the systems in accordance with the contract specifications. Personally I just want to upgrade and logically replace these others but I'm bound by this contract. >BTW, I find the bike the perfect excuse to get out of odious "homework." >"Sorry, can't take that humongous box to FedEx." I did carry a largish roll >of drawings this AM; stuffed it under the passenger grab rail on the VF. >Works great as long as it doesn't rain. And most of the time I can do that too. Unfortunately (?) I'm responsible for trying to get the servers owned by our contract (ODIN) upgraded. The wacky part is that the customer thinks these systems get upgraded and my contracts folks say it's this other list. I'm reading and understanding the contract so I know which boxes to upgrade. carl From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 22 18:51:07 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0MNp7O7011294; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 18:51:07 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0MNolhC011262; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 18:50:47 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <14ed01c2c270$fabcad30$7a5dfea9@mikescomputer> From: "Michael R. Cecchini" To: "DC Cycles" References: <20030122234045.51255.qmail@web11505.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: I'm Back/Crappy Morning/New Battery Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 18:49:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out006.verizon.net from [141.156.150.238] at Wed, 22 Jan 2003 17:50:37 -0600 Yup...........spend their lives pointing fingers at others when they need to look in mirror. MC ******************************************************** > From: "Glenn Dysart" > Ahhh the beauty of an "ultra liberal"... gotta love > it. Can't say anything without offending one of em. > Must be a pretty sad life to get so offended at the > littlest things that can be twisted around to mean > anything. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 22 18:52:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0MNqpO7011355; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 18:52:51 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0MNqV4a011318; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 18:52:31 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 15:52:28 -0800 (PST) From: Fish Flowers X-X-Sender: fish@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: I'm Back/Crappy Morning/New Battery In-Reply-To: <14ed01c2c270$fabcad30$7a5dfea9@mikescomputer> Message-ID: <20030122155130.Q24749-100000@yes.devclue.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII For crying out loud! Will you guys please just call each other Nazis already, invoke Godwin's Law, and take this interminable pissing contest off-list? Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 22 19:03:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0N03lO7014673; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 19:03:47 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0N03PZE014638; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 19:03:25 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVY8m6Qy7WUhtf/HopvZpbUtMvsbgyUHl6oswz7qpezGDGOF2VCGcg8gbdTOKLyhtZo= From: "Jon Strang" To: "'Glenn Dysart'" , Subject: RE: I'm Back/Crappy Morning/New Battery Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 19:03:23 -0500 Message-ID: <98746331CB7A8845BDB93F3574AD2B83010E51@CORPMAIL1.ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <98746331CB7A8845BDB93F3574AD2B830A39D8@CORPMAIL1.ddlomni.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Glenn wrote: > Ahhh the beauty That was very aesthetic-ist of you. You must hate ugly people. > of an "ultra liberal" Are you discriminating against those who chose a life-view that differs from your own? I think this is a code word you use to pigeonhole other people. How offensive! > ... gotta love it. "It". Hmmmm. A nice gender-neutral term. Just what are you implying here? Are you linking the gender-free with your earlier slur? > Can't say anything Obviously, you discriminate against the speech-free. You hate the silent minority, and that is just wrong. > without offending one of em. Em? What is this? A sign of your alignment with Eminem's homophobia!!?? > Must be a pretty sad life Oh, so you're pro-life? What about a woman's right to choose, you misogynist! > to get so offended at the littlest things So, just how tall does something or someone have to be in order for you to deem him or her or it worthy of your attention? Obviously, you aren't sensitive to the needs of the height-challenged. > that can be twisted around to mean anything. An obvious slur against those who aren't straight. Homophobe! > Glenn Of course you have a euro-centric name, you racist bastard. ################################################################# ################################################################# ################################################################# ##### ##### ##### ################################################################# ################################################################# ################################################################# From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 22 19:07:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0N07IO7016609; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 19:07:18 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0N06v68016572; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 19:06:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E2F3365.BC252E72@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 19:12:21 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Wilson CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Carl Schelin Subject: Re: Hah! References: <3E2F04AA.8D39A991@patriot.net><0301220615494I.02506@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov><3E2F04AA.8D39A991@patriot.net> <5.1.0.14.0.20030122181152.00a91ec0@mail.hq.nasa.gov> <009601c2c270$042bcbe0$bb82fea9@palladio1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Paul Wilson wrote: > The solution is for you gubmint folks to write shorter contracts, but I > think whoever prepares them gets paid by the word. Tongue planted > firmly in cheek and in all good humor. :) Although a worker's comp claim > due to overloaded backpack has promise.... Har har! Once upon a time, many moons ago, Milady was dispatched to Florida to delivar a contract proposal for the beltway bandit she worked for. It was a drive straight thru trip because, no surprise to those in the industry, it was late. She got the job because I had a a pickup truck. Pickup truck? Why would that be important? EGADS! The boxed proposal took up the whole freaking 8' bed!!! Shortly thereafter I was at the *company* holiday party, trophy hubby for the wife, and the BIG BOSS introduced himself. Somewhere into the semi-juiced *hic* conversation I allowed that I now knew the secret to winning a contract. Wow, sez he, all ears. Yep, they don't actually read all that crap. Who the f**k has time? All proposals are wieghed on a truck scale and the top three heavys go to the final round. Then they're fed into a scanner that looks for acronyms, and the one with MOST ACRONYMS WINS! Hardy har harr... At this point Milady did the stage hook yank on my skinny ass, but much to her amazement the BIG BOSS was damn near wetting himself from laughing so hard. Note: Patent lawyers use to paid by the word, which is why patent text is so incredably verbose and repetative. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 22 19:58:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0N0wjO7018745; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 19:58:45 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0N0wPON018715; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 19:58:25 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <024a01c2c27a$864f7c70$20fea8c0@BIGHAMMER1> From: "Dave Yates" To: References: <98746331CB7A8845BDB93F3574AD2B83010E51@CORPMAIL1.ddlomni.com> Subject: Re: I'm Back/Crappy Morning/New Battery Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 19:58:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-ELNK-Trace: 956056117932dab21aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec794e3af9c3daaa46ee3fcc41421b977610350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c Yikes... 1 day w/ no email, and I miss one of the better flame fests we've had in months ! > Glenn wrote: > > > Ahhh the beauty > > That was very aesthetic-ist of you. You must hate ugly people. [Dave] that's offensive. Let's call it Beauty challenged. ... > Obviously, you discriminate against the speech-free. You hate the > silent minority, and that is just wrong. [Dave] I think he may have a problem with Mimes. I know I have a deep rooted fear of Mimes and clowns (hey, before anybody jumps on it, remember J.W. Gacy...)... ... ... height-challenged. [Dave] too PC... "under-tall" Even us regular folk carry heaters in VA DMV's... DC too, it's just illegal there ;-) Aki - how'd you get away with JUST 7 hour !? There were an awful lot of panties in a bunch comments... Is it now X-dressing-cycles ? Finally, there is a Wal Mart that DC folks use on Rt 1 South & Sherwood Hall Lane in Alexandria. I didn't know there wasn't one in DC. NOW I know why all those DC drivers are cutting across 2 lanes to the right at the last minute at Sherwood Hall... Of course, there's a M/C shop a few blocks before the wal mart. Watch out because our neck of the woods has the "aggressive pedestrians". They jump out in front of anything that moves. I've heard you're not supposed to stoop to using a car to jump a bike because it can overload the bike harnesses. Of course, that's all well and good when the battery is fine and you're not stranded. In all the insults, taunts & blustering, I don't remember anyone chiding you for the lack of a battery tender... Truth be told, there was too much to read through, and I didn't pay enough attention, so if you are using one, it was just the battery's time. If you weren't, they work. Splendidly. Welcome back Kitchell. It just hasn't been the same list w/o you... The closest we came was Gimer baiting us about Chuck's run in with O'reilly ( have we sent the Pansies yet, Tom ?) ... Dave Y From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 22 20:30:16 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0N1UGO7020596; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 20:30:16 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0N1TtcE019898; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 20:29:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E2F4593.D115F873@erols.com> Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 20:29:55 -0500 From: Tim Morrow Reply-To: tomorrow@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: 6x17 Haulmark Enclosed Trailer For Auction (spam) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Fellow DC area riders, please forgive this spam, but someone local might be interested in my trailer. Those of you who have seen it can attest to how clean it is! I'm auctioning off my 2000 model year Haulmark 6x17 foot enclosed V-nose trailer on eBay. There's no reserve price, so the trailer is going one way or another! Here's the URL, and please forgive the spam.... http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/ebayISAPI.dll?MfcISAPICommand=ViewItem&item=2401016811&indexURL=4&photoDisplayType=2 Tim Morrow -- CCS Mis-Atlantic Expert #19 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 22 20:48:17 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0N1mHO7021411; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 20:48:17 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0N1mGQs021401; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 20:48:16 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030122204629.0515a0c0@fbody.com> X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 21:00:11 -0500 To: DC Cycles From: Wayne Edelen Subject: Re: Eliminator ZL 900 for Sale In-Reply-To: <20030122202551.25249.qmail@web13802.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 12:25 PM 1/22/03 -0800, Mark Kitchell wrote: >This guy who tried to help me today is selling his >Kawasaki ZL 900 Eliminator. This is a pretty rare >bike, only imported for one or two years. Very fast >and lots of drag parts for it. > >Price $3,500 > >My first bike was an Eliminator ZL600 and they are fun >standard type bikes. I had an '85 ZL900 Eliminator. Very cool bike, it's rare you'll see any around on the street. They're really popular overseas, though. It wasn't very quick, but it was a nice cruising bike. The bike I had was purchased new by my dad, he dropped it and sold it to a family friend. I bought it from the family friend 11 yrs later :-) I regret selling the bike, but I don't have room in the garage for more than 1 motorcycle :-( Tell your friend that he should post the bike on the various Eliminator Internet sites. My bike sold in days after posting it on eliminator.org, no local advertising or anything. Some dude drove up from VA and purchased it. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 22 21:04:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0N24cO7022246; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 21:04:38 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0N24c79022238; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 21:04:38 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <024501c2c267$30d85860$36805c0c@micron> From: "Mobacc \(now @ATT\)" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: DC Discount (was Hah!) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 17:39:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 From: "Paul Wilson" . . . snip We now return to the regularly scheduled bashing of the last remaining place on the planet bereft of a Wal-Mart. ********** Perhaps, but for the truly intrepid, ambiance-ignoring, eclectic seeking discount desirer there is "National Wholesale Liquidators" with two stores: 16th & Benning Road *NE* and almost-DC at 1535 University Blvd. Big, with a lot WMart has except perhaps live plants, clothes and pharmacy. These stores are not for the Neiman-Marcus experience, and I'll visit in the areas in daylight. My visits were prompted by Sunday Post fliers with specific needs of mine advertised rock bottom and I've been satisfied: Each time I spent twice the expected. Bill S. / DC '99 VN750 > Send those piles home in a cab. Bungees squeeze my tail. Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 22 21:23:28 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0N2NSO7023791; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 21:23:28 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0N2NSPS023781; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 21:23:28 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <024601c2c269$c94cbf80$36805c0c@micron> From: "Mobacc \(now @ATT\)" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: DC 'hoods (was I'm Back/Crappy Morning/New Battery) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 17:58:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Eternal vigilence rules. 20th and N NW DC was the site of a perp'-unfound street shooting in the last few days. Unlikely, if one knows the 'hood. Bill S. / DC '99 VN750 > Backfires only. Since use unleaded, no slug involved. Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From: "Michael R. Cecchini" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: I'm Back/Crappy Morning/New Battery Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 13:08:08 -0500 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out001.verizon.net from [141.156.150.238] at Wed, 22 Jan 2003 12:12:51 -0600 Not hardly. Ever watch the news ?? MC *************************************** > From: "Mark Kitchell" > you made the comment, you provide the stats. ******************************************************* > I suggest you look at the mortality statistics of > each before such commentary. > MC > > ******************************************* > > > From: "Mark Kitchell" > > > Typical suburban fearmonger. > > > I would be more scared of the soccer mom myself > > ********************************************** > > From: "Michael R. Cecchini" > > Make sure your "packing" in those neighborhoods. > > MC Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 11:28:49 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: I'm Back/Crappy Morning/New Battery To: "Michael R. Cecchini" , DC Cycles Yeah I watch the news. And I see lots of hard working people in those neighborhoods. Your not-so-subtle racist comment would probably be pretty offensive to them. How would you like it if I suggested one needs a gun to feel safe in your neighborhood? Have you ever spent any amount of in these horrible places? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jan 22 21:32:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0N2W5O7025263; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 21:32:05 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0N2W4XA025248; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 21:32:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030123023202.16098.qmail@web14812.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 18:32:02 -0800 (PST) From: patti rodgers Subject: Re: unhappy motor! To: Carl Parker , DCCycles In-Reply-To: <3E2F069B.33B30541@carlparker.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Carl Parker wrote: > What is it about Triumphs and firez? :P Lucas Electrics, I guess. :) __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 23 01:41:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0N6fYO7027242; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 01:41:34 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0N6fNox027207; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 01:41:23 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 01:41:14 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: I'm Back/Crappy Morning/New Battery To: Mark Kitchell Cc: DC Cycles Message-id: <3E2F8E8A.43A43C9B@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en References: <20030122192849.53666.qmail@web13805.mail.yahoo.com> Mark Kitchell wrote: > > Yeah I watch the news. And I see lots of hard working > people in those neighborhoods. Your not-so-subtle > racist comment would probably be pretty offensive to > them. Wait, I must've missed it. Maybe it was subtle after all? Who was he talking about, Mark? The niggers? Nah, it can't be them, they have been moved back to the 2nd largest minority now because of all the Spics and Wetbacks. Or maybe he was referring to the chinks, gooks, and slanteyes? I'd suggest maybe the kikes but you said it was a racist comment, can you be a racist if you just pick on the jews? Likewise, I suppose he wasn't referring to all the bitches and ho's out there. Maybe it was those fucking Irish. They were the niggers of Europe, if you recall. Or the fucking freckled fat Irish/Kraut mixed male Concours-riding bikers in the suburbs. They always seem to get lots of abuse. Deservedly so, I guess. You go Mark. If someone comes out and spews some blatant racial bullshit in public again, you jump all over them, just like you have. Yeah, you rock. Problem was, I didn't see it in the first place. Accusing someone of racism where none was intended is something *I* find highly offensive. Just like all the offensive epithets I've included in this email. My apologies to everyone else on the list (especially our long-suffering list admin, Harry) who had to read this post. Horkster (not a racist, believe it or not) -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - neat old bike From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 23 02:04:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0N74nO7028068; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 02:04:49 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0N74nnK028058; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 02:04:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.0.20030123010408.00a13af0@mail.mac.com> X-Sender: eternity23@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 01:06:37 -0600 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Re: I'm Back/Crappy Morning/New Battery In-Reply-To: <3E2F8E8A.43A43C9B@comcast.net> References: <20030122192849.53666.qmail@web13805.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Wow. In my time on this list (6 years or so now...not as much as some, prolly more than most), I think that's the first time I can recall Horkster ever really digging into someone. Makes me wish I had paid attention to this worthless thread from the beginning. Pass the popcorn..... Sean Jordan Dale wrote: >You go Mark. If someone comes out and spews >some blatant racial bullshit in public again, >you jump all over them, just like you have. >Yeah, you rock. > >Problem was, I didn't see it in the first place. >Accusing someone of racism where none was intended >is something *I* find highly offensive. Just like >all the offensive epithets I've included in this >email. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 23 07:03:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0NC31O7030598; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 07:03:01 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0NC31i9030588; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 07:03:01 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Cold Ride Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 06:59:44 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0301230659444P.02506@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Ponytail is frozen again. I got colder putting gas in the bike and on the walk to the office than I did on the ride this morning. I noticed that my toes didn't get cold until after the walk. Money in the meter time. Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 23 07:56:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0NCuwO7032467; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 07:56:58 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0NCuw91032459; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 07:56:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F145153B1@dchqclexhq.fsis.usda.gov> From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Cc: "'markkitchell@XXXXXX'" Subject: New Battery/Hah! Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 07:58:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain Before the pissin' contest, Mark Kitchell merely kweried, "So, does anyone know where I can buy a motorcycle battery in DC?" If Auto Zone doesn't have 'em: How to get to Wal-Mart in Germantown: Ride Metro to Bethesda Catch the Ride-On # 70 (Only two bits if you remember to get the pass at the station you entered). Hah! Or how to keep overloaded brief cases/back packs on your saddle: For brief case: Tie two bungee cords together in their middles (Size depends on your bike). Two hooks go into the passenger peg supports. Lay case on saddle. Stretch the two free lines over the case, through its handle, and then, depending on the length the free ends: a. wrap lines around turn signal stalks and back to the case handle b. hook 'em on the tail section of the bike c. wrap lines around the tail section of the bike. For a back pack: Lay the pack on the saddle, loop the shoulder straps over my turn signal stalks and tighten the straps. If you have the double bungees, then just stretch them over the pack and to something in the back (depending on the size of the pack and length of the bungees). Carl in Brr-thesda (from the gummimint and here to hep) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 23 08:09:30 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0ND9UO7001591; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 08:09:30 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0ND9TI3001577; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 08:09:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: "'DCCycles'" Subject: Re: New Battery/Hah! Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 08:06:13 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" References: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F145153B1@dchqclexhq.fsis.usda.gov> In-Reply-To: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F145153B1@dchqclexhq.fsis.usda.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0301230806134R.02506@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Thursday 23 January 2003 07:58, Custer, Carl wrote: > Hah! Or how to keep overloaded brief cases/back packs on your saddle: > For brief case: > Tie two bungee cords together in their middles (Size depends on your bike). > Two hooks go into the passenger peg supports. > Lay case on saddle. Stretch the two free lines over the case, through its > handle, and then, depending on the length the free ends: > a. wrap lines around turn signal stalks and back to the case handle > b. hook 'em on the tail section of the bike > c. wrap lines around the tail section of the bike. > > For a back pack: > Lay the pack on the saddle, loop the shoulder straps over my turn signal > stalks and tighten the straps. > If you have the double bungees, then just stretch them over the pack and to > something in the back (depending on the size of the pack and length of the > bungees). > Both assume you have a passenger seat. I bought a Corbin Solo Seat and a Backrest. I'm thinking about getting the passenger seat with backrest for the 'old lady'. She rode on the back of my bike and the ride didn't bother her (when I had the original seat) unlike the Heritage Softail which bothered her back. > Carl in Brr-thesda (from the gummimint and here to hep) Evil Overlord Carl (not from the government but in charge of their servers) -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 23 08:23:15 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0NDNEO7002488; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 08:23:14 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0NDNEwi002478; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 08:23:14 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <3a.332bff4a.2b6146ae@aol.com> Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 08:22:54 EST Subject: Re: Hah! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 1/22/2003 6:19:13 AM Eastern Standard Time, cschelin@XXXXXX writes: > When I went out yesterday at 4pm, the roads were clear. I had to scrape some > > snow off of the seat and from the tank and tree but I let the rest steam off. > Riding home at 11:00_pm._! last night. COLD! But the roads were clear all the way home... Gotta get some electrics John, PenguinBiker was supposed to be an E-dress, not a lifestyle...... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 23 08:24:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0NDOAO7002536; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 08:24:10 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0NDOA0s002532; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 08:24:10 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <12b.20e3adea.2b6146ee@aol.com> Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 08:23:58 EST Subject: Re: Hah! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 1/22/2003 6:31:35 AM Eastern Standard Time, cschelin@XXXXXX writes: > Oh, and when I got here and removed my leathers, I found that my ponytail > was > frozen :-) Two words: Ponytail cozy. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 23 08:43:33 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0NDhXO7004105; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 08:43:33 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0NDhXGv004097; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 08:43:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: X-EM-APIVersion: 2, 0, 1, 0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) From: "Kirk Roy" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Cold Ride Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 08:43:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id h0NDhVO7004085 Carl Schelin wrote: > Ponytail is frozen again. I got colder putting gas in the bike and on the > walk to the office than I did on the ride this morning. I noticed that my > toes didn't get cold until after the walk. > > Money in the meter time. My toes and fingers got cold this time around. The feet went somewhere around mile 25 (of 33). Everything else was fine but once your feet get cold it affects everything else. I have to remove a glove to show my ID to get into the garage and I didn't bother putting the glove back on. That clutch lever is COLD! I may rubber coat the levers or put some of the dirt bike lever grips on there to take some of the sting away (I know some of the cold is making it into my gloves, especially in heavy traffic when my hands just sit on the levers). So, I'm left with 3 weak spots on cold days like today - fingers, toes, and breathing (fogging and moisture freezing on shield). Even with the booster battery the bike only barely started this morning. Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 23 08:46:40 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0NDkeO7004877; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 08:46:40 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0NDkdWn004870; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 08:46:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <183001c2c2e5$c35b38f0$7a5dfea9@mikescomputer> From: "Michael R. Cecchini" To: "DC Cycles" References: Subject: Re: Cold Ride Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 08:45:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out004.verizon.net from [141.156.150.238] at Thu, 23 Jan 2003 07:46:32 -0600 Don't know how you guys do it. MC ************************************* ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kirk Roy" To: Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 8:43 AM Subject: Re: Cold Ride > Carl Schelin wrote: > > Ponytail is frozen again. I got colder putting gas in the bike and on the > > walk to the office than I did on the ride this morning. I noticed that my > > toes didn't get cold until after the walk. > > > > Money in the meter time. > > My toes and fingers got cold this time around. The feet went somewhere around mile 25 (of 33). Everything else was fine but once your feet get cold it affects everything else. > > I have to remove a glove to show my ID to get into the garage and I didn't bother putting the glove back on. That clutch lever is COLD! I may rubber coat the levers or put some of the dirt bike lever grips on there to take some of the sting away (I know some of the cold is making it into my gloves, especially in heavy traffic when my hands just sit on the levers). > > So, I'm left with 3 weak spots on cold days like today - fingers, toes, and breathing (fogging and moisture freezing on shield). > > Even with the booster battery the bike only barely started this morning. > > Kirk > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 23 08:51:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0NDpKO7005700; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 08:51:20 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0NDpJxg005691; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 08:51:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 09:07:02 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen X-Sender: To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Cold Ride In-Reply-To: <183001c2c2e5$c35b38f0$7a5dfea9@mikescomputer> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 23 Jan 2003, Michael R. Cecchini wrote: > Don't know how you guys do it. I agree. It's bad enough waiting for the seat heaters in my cars/truck to warm my bum ;-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 23 08:54:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0NDsTO7006492; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 08:54:29 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0NDsTTn006486; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 08:54:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030123135424.2008.qmail@web10507.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 05:54:24 -0800 (PST) From: Isaac Blanck Subject: Re: Cold Ride To: DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <183001c2c2e5$c35b38f0$7a5dfea9@mikescomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii yeah, i'm still riding (of course, i only have a 15 minute commute); except for my fingers, it's not that bad; my fingers, on the other hand .... i really do need heated or snowmobile gloves; 1) is Bob's BMW the closest place to DC where you can buy heated clothes? 2) where can you buy snowmobile gloves that is reasonably close to DC? ... jib --- "Michael R. Cecchini" wrote: > Don't know how you guys do it. > > MC > ************************************* > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kirk Roy" > To: > Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 8:43 AM > Subject: Re: Cold Ride > > > > Carl Schelin wrote: > > > Ponytail is frozen again. I got colder putting > gas in the bike and on the > > > walk to the office than I did on the ride this > morning. I noticed that my > > > toes didn't get cold until after the walk. > > > > > > Money in the meter time. > > > > My toes and fingers got cold this time around. The > feet went somewhere around mile > 25 (of 33). Everything else was fine but once your > feet get cold it affects > everything else. > > > > I have to remove a glove to show my ID to get into > the garage and I didn't bother > putting the glove back on. That clutch lever is > COLD! I may rubber coat the levers or > put some of the dirt bike lever grips on there to > take some of the sting away (I know > some of the cold is making it into my gloves, > especially in heavy traffic when my > hands just sit on the levers). > > > > So, I'm left with 3 weak spots on cold days like > today - fingers, toes, and > breathing (fogging and moisture freezing on shield). > > > > Even with the booster battery the bike only barely > started this morning. > > > > Kirk > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 23 08:55:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0NDtVO7007262; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 08:55:31 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0NDtVIs007255; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 08:55:31 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <200301231355.QCI81379@vmms2.verisignmail.com> Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 08:55:27 -0500 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: Cold Ride To: DC Cycles X-Mailer: Mirapoint Webmail Direct 2.9.3.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wayne contributed: It's bad enough waiting for the seat heaters in my cars/truck to warm my bum ;-) [Dave] I think that Doug Hill has issued a 'comb-over & hairpiece' alert AND a 'leather & vinyl seat' alert for today ! Obviously we didn't do enough contributing to the green house gases this past summer so we could enjoy another warm winter ;-) Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 23 09:10:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0NEAEO7008178; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 09:10:14 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0NEADY3008168; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 09:10:13 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 09:10:01 EST Subject: Re: I'm Back/Crappy Morning/New Battery To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 1/22/2003 4:38:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, Witold@XXXXXX writes: > On a sidenote, today was probably the coldest day I have ridden. I think > things would have been OK if it wasn't for the 20mph wind. You were only going 20mph.? #:-) > Sorry, too easy. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 23 09:17:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0NEHAO7008968; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 09:17:10 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0NEHA2h008956; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 09:17:10 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Hah! Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 09:13:51 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" References: <12b.20e3adea.2b6146ee@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <12b.20e3adea.2b6146ee@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0301230913514S.02506@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Thursday 23 January 2003 08:23, PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 1/22/2003 6:31:35 AM Eastern Standard Time, > > cschelin@XXXXXX writes: > > Oh, and when I got here and removed my leathers, I found that my ponytail > > was > > frozen :-) > > Two words: Ponytail cozy. > I have considered it. My hair is very thick and I think it wouldn't stay on. But it is a thought. > John. > PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 23 09:17:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0NEHZO7009012; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 09:17:35 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0NEHYHI009008; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 09:17:35 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Hah! Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 09:14:18 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" References: <3a.332bff4a.2b6146ae@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <3a.332bff4a.2b6146ae@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0301230914184T.02506@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Thursday 23 January 2003 08:22, PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 1/22/2003 6:19:13 AM Eastern Standard Time, > > cschelin@XXXXXX writes: > > When I went out yesterday at 4pm, the roads were clear. I had to scrape > > some > > > snow off of the seat and from the tank and tree but I let the rest steam > > off. > > > Riding home at 11:00_pm._! last night. > COLD! > > But the roads were clear all the way home... > > Gotta get some electrics > > John, PenguinBiker was supposed to be an E-dress, not a lifestyle...... Maybe _I_ should be PenguinBiker ;-) Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 23 09:20:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0NEKmO7010514; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 09:20:48 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0NEKmxj010508; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 09:20:48 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Cold Ride Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 09:17:31 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0301230917314U.02506@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Thursday 23 January 2003 08:43, Kirk Roy wrote: > Carl Schelin wrote: > > Ponytail is frozen again. I got colder putting gas in the bike and on the > > walk to the office than I did on the ride this morning. I noticed that my > > toes didn't get cold until after the walk. > > > > Money in the meter time. > > My toes and fingers got cold this time around. The feet went somewhere > around mile 25 (of 33). Everything else was fine but once your feet get > cold it affects everything else. > > I have to remove a glove to show my ID to get into the garage and I didn't > bother putting the glove back on. That clutch lever is COLD! I may rubber > coat the levers or put some of the dirt bike lever grips on there to take > some of the sting away (I know some of the cold is making it into my > gloves, especially in heavy traffic when my hands just sit on the levers). > When I was putting gas in the tank, my fingers got real cold. I put the gloves on and sat there for a moment letting it warm up before I left. I've noticed that if my fingers are cold before going out, it's harder for the electric gloves to get them warm again. > So, I'm left with 3 weak spots on cold days like today - fingers, toes, and > breathing (fogging and moisture freezing on shield). > Breathing wasn't a problem this morning. For some reason there was more of a gap at the chin area and cold air was blowing up into the helmet keeping it clear. I kept pushing my chin forward to block the air flow. > Even with the booster battery the bike only barely started this morning. > Do you park it outside? I'm in a garage at home so it starts right up but when I leave there's a little catch just before it starts. > Kirk -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 23 09:21:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0NELrO7010574; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 09:21:53 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0NELrI6010568; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 09:21:53 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 09:21:48 -0500 (EST) From: jdonovan@XXXXXX To: Kirk Roy cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Cold Ride In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 23 Jan 2003, Kirk Roy wrote: > So, I'm left with 3 weak spots on cold days like today - fingers, toes, > and breathing (fogging and moisture freezing on shield). I've got the cold fingers too, I'm about to order some kreamer glove liners, the gerbing gloves by themselves are not getting enough heat to my hands. Perhaps with both running my thumbs will stay warm. Fortunately Ive not suffered cold feet. However, I'm currently wearing some Warrington Pro Boots, which are insulated, water proof firefighting boots, and I think the combination of insulation plus water proof membrane is keeping the cold out. I've been fairly happy with my schuberth concept flip up. There is a chin gator that seems to keep the cold drafties out. The shield can be ratched open like normal helmets, however that lets in too much cold air. The schuberth is fairly unique in that you can pop the shield forward about 1/8 inch that allows a very little bit of air in that washes the inside of the visor, and then exits via the normal interior vent path. This seems to move enough air at 25+ to keep the visor fog free. It also has enough of an anti fog coating that it never really fogs up, it gets enough condensation that its like having rain droplets on the inside, but leaving the shield in the forward position takes care of that. -JD From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 23 09:21:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0NELxO7011320; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 09:21:59 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0NELwCi011311; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 09:21:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: Cold Ride Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 09:18:41 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" References: <183001c2c2e5$c35b38f0$7a5dfea9@mikescomputer> In-Reply-To: <183001c2c2e5$c35b38f0$7a5dfea9@mikescomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0301230918414V.02506@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Thursday 23 January 2003 08:45, Michael R. Cecchini wrote: > Don't know how you guys do it. > Maybe "why" would be a better question. "How" is easy. Block all the openings. Learn from yesterday. Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 23 09:22:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0NEMoO7011394; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 09:22:50 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0NEMoYb011387; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 09:22:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Cold Ride Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 09:19:28 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0301230919284W.02506@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Thursday 23 January 2003 09:07, Wayne Edelen wrote: > On Thu, 23 Jan 2003, Michael R. Cecchini wrote: > > Don't know how you guys do it. > > I agree. It's bad enough waiting for the seat heaters in my cars/truck to > warm my bum ;-) > Do you have one of those cars with the preset seat locations? Press the button and it adjusts to your settings. > -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 23 09:23:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0NENcO7012163; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 09:23:38 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0NENcpr012157; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 09:23:38 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Cold Ride Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 09:20:21 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <20030123135424.2008.qmail@web10507.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20030123135424.2008.qmail@web10507.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0301230920214X.02506@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Thursday 23 January 2003 08:54, Isaac Blanck wrote: > yeah, i'm still riding (of course, i only have a 15 > minute commute); except for my fingers, it's not that > bad; my fingers, on the other hand .... i really do > need heated or snowmobile gloves; 1) is Bob's BMW the > closest place to DC where you can buy heated clothes? > 2) where can you buy snowmobile gloves that is > reasonably close to DC? ... jib My wife let me use her ski gloves last year and they're not as good as electric. Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 23 09:23:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0NENrO7012214; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 09:23:53 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0NENrtF012209; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 09:23:53 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20030123142346.90097.qmail@web40901.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 06:23:46 -0800 (PST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: New Battery/Hah! To: "'DCCycles'" In-Reply-To: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F145153B1@dchqclexhq.fsis.usda.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Hah! Or how to keep overloaded brief cases/back packs on your saddle: > For brief case: I missed several messages, but looks like people are trying to figure out how to keep their briefcase on their bikes? Before I got the Concours (with lots of luggage room), I used a Chase Harper briefcase. The neat thing about it is that you unzip the back of it, and let out the two built in bungee cords (4 hooks). The cords are already attached to the case, so just a matter of finding good places to latch down on the bike. Never had a problem carrying my briefcase on the Nighthawk. Only time I ever had a problem with it was when I flew with it one time. Security couldn't figure out what the hooks were until I unzipped it and explained what I used it for. Louis ===== "Admiral" Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours Fairfax, VA Co-Planner, MD20-20 http://www.masondixon20-20.org/ Home Page: http://www.geocities.com/nighthawk700/cycle.htm __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 23 09:24:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0NEOsO7013692; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 09:24:54 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0NEOsdj013687; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 09:24:54 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: I'm Back/Crappy Morning/New Battery Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 09:21:38 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0301230921384Y.02506@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Thursday 23 January 2003 09:10, PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 1/22/2003 4:38:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, > > Witold@XXXXXX writes: > > On a sidenote, today was probably the coldest day I have ridden. I think > > things would have been OK if it wasn't for the 20mph wind. > > You were only going 20mph.? > LOL Exactly. My stepdaughter asked about the wind chill if I was riding in this morning. I asked her what the windchill factor was for 75MPH :-) > #:-) > > > Sorry, too easy. > Carl -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 23 09:26:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0NEQ8O7015168; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 09:26:08 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0NEQ8Ok015160; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 09:26:08 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 09:25:55 -0500 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: wayne@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Cold Ride MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <250B6269.244D19D6.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit You all are WUSSES!!! ;-) I WALK to and from work everyday. It's a 15-20 minute, 10 block walk from apartment to office. Taking the metro would take me longer since I'd have to walk 3 blocks in the opposite direction to get on, transfer once and then walk another 2 blocks once I got off. You people who drive to work in your heated cages and complain about waiting for your heated seat to warm up make me sick. :-) Everytime I see a guy on a bike out in this weather, it still makes me wish I lived further away from work so I could ride. :-D Scooter (walking in your Nation's Crapital since 1995.) In a message dated 1/23/2003 9:07:02 AM Eastern Standard Time, wayne@XXXXXX writes: > > > On Thu, 23 Jan 2003, Michael R. Cecchini wrote: > > > Don't know how you guys do it. > > I agree. It's bad enough waiting for the seat heaters in > my cars/truck to > warm my bum ;-) > > -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 23 09:27:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0NERbO7015948; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 09:27:37 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0NERb8t015940; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 09:27:37 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <1d5.9d1b92.2b6155cb@aol.com> Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 09:27:23 EST Subject: Re: Cold Ride To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 1/23/2003 7:03:29 AM Eastern Standard Time, cschelin@XXXXXX writes: > Ponytail is frozen again. I got colder putting gas in the bike and on the > walk to the office than I did on the ride this morning. I like to remind people that they will freeze their ass off going to and from and waiting for the heaters in their cars to start working, while I will have all my toasty warm stuff on before I even go outside. I do the same sort of thing in the rain. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 23 09:33:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0NEX5O7017453; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 09:33:05 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0NEX5RQ017442; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 09:33:05 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 09:48:48 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen X-Sender: To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Cold Ride In-Reply-To: <0301230919284W.02506@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 23 Jan 2003, Carl Schelin wrote: > Do you have one of those cars with the preset seat locations? Press the > button and it adjusts to your settings. My Denali XL is like that. It adjusts the pedals, mirrors, seats, trip computer settings, seats and radio settings when you 1) unlock the truck with your remote (they're labeled #1 and #2) or 2) stick your key in the ignition. You can use the menus on dash to select option 1 or 2 (along with a bunch of other stuff). It's nice when the wife drives the truck, I only have to adjust the rear view mirror when I get in :-) It's a PITA in our other cars, they don't have any memory settings. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 23 09:34:53 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0NEYrO7017513; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 09:34:53 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0NEYrQT017507; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 09:34:53 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 09:34:43 EST Subject: Re: Cold Ride To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 I carry a bunch of the hot hands type of chemical heaters in the bike during the winter. They have bailed my ass out many times, not a lot of heat, but enough to make a difference. You can get them in damn near any sporting goods store or department. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 23 09:36:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0NEaTO7017617; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 09:36:29 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0NEaTor017607; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 09:36:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Reply-To: From: "Jim McGonigle" To: Subject: RE: Cold Ride Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 09:35:07 -0500 Organization: BroadSoft Message-ID: <00fb01c2c2ec$a3608f80$8101a8c0@jmcgonigle> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <1d5.9d1b92.2b6155cb@aol.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal That's why you start the car and go back into the house until it's warm... -Jim "Cold Weather Wimp" M > -----Original Message----- > From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX [mailto:PenguinBiker@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 9:27 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Cold Ride > > > In a message dated 1/23/2003 7:03:29 AM Eastern Standard Time, > cschelin@XXXXXX writes: > > > Ponytail is frozen again. I got colder putting gas in the > bike and on the > > walk to the office than I did on the ride this morning. > > I like to remind people that they will freeze their ass off > going to and from > and waiting for the heaters in their cars to start working, > while I will have > all my toasty warm stuff on before I even go outside. > > I do the same sort of thing in the rain. > > > John. > PenguinBiker@XXXXXX > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 23 09:39:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0NEdvO7019154; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 09:39:57 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0NEduFB019141; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 09:39:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 09:39:49 -0500 (EST) From: "Daniel H. Brown" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: I'm Back/Crappy Morning/New Battery In-Reply-To: <0301230921384Y.02506@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 23 Jan 2003, Carl Schelin wrote: > On Thursday 23 January 2003 09:10, PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > > In a message dated 1/22/2003 4:38:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, > > > > Witold@XXXXXX writes: > > > On a sidenote, today was probably the coldest day I have ridden. I think > > > things would have been OK if it wasn't for the 20mph wind. > > > > You were only going 20mph.? > > > > LOL Exactly. My stepdaughter asked about the wind chill if I was riding in > this morning. I asked her what the windchill factor was for 75MPH :-) Look at it this way -- windchill would only be for 55 mph if you were going with the wind. -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 23 09:41:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0NEf4O7019213; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 09:41:04 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0NEf48Q019204; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 09:41:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 09:56:46 -0500 (EST) From: Wayne Edelen X-Sender: To: Subject: RE: Cold Ride In-Reply-To: <00fb01c2c2ec$a3608f80$8101a8c0@jmcgonigle> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 23 Jan 2003, Jim McGonigle wrote: > That's why you start the car and go back into the house until it's > warm... > > -Jim "Cold Weather Wimp" M hehe, that iron block V8 in my truck takes forever to give any heat. The S4 is a little quicker, but it's easier to just turn on the seats and drive. :-) It sucks only having a 2 car garage and having 3 vehicles in it that I don't drive in the winter :-\ -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 23 09:41:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0NEfiO7019980; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 09:41:44 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0NEfhDQ019972; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 09:41:43 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 Subject: RE: I'm Back/Crappy Morning/New Battery Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 09:41:37 -0500 Message-ID: <92EE52C13F8034478B4B9F85DA67A6664092AC@rnc1.rnchq.org> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: I'm Back/Crappy Morning/New Battery Thread-Index: AcLC6UF3OI5fGA8FRCyuw6X14T0DXwAAsuk7 From: "Witold Chrabaszcz - Network & Online Services" To: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id h0NEfgO7019955 Hehehehe... I ride slow, but not that slow :) Just thinking about how cold it was yesterday makes me feel cold today, and question my plan to ride to work today as well. We'll see how it goes. -----Original Message----- From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX [mailto:PenguinBiker@XXXXXX] Sent: Thu 1/23/2003 9:10 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Subject: Re: I'm Back/Crappy Morning/New Battery In a message dated 1/22/2003 4:38:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, Witold@XXXXXX writes: > On a sidenote, today was probably the coldest day I have ridden. I think > things would have been OK if it wasn't for the 20mph wind. You were only going 20mph.? #:-) > Sorry, too easy. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 23 09:44:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0NEiCO7021501; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 09:44:12 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0NEiBYH021494; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 09:44:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <18fa01c2c2ed$ccc2ee80$7a5dfea9@mikescomputer> From: "Michael R. Cecchini" To: "DC Cycles" References: <1d5.9d1b92.2b6155cb@aol.com> Subject: Re: Cold Ride Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 09:43:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out004.verizon.net from [141.156.150.238] at Thu, 23 Jan 2003 08:44:00 -0600 Got strings on your mittens too ? MC ******************************************* > From: > I like to remind people that they will freeze their ass off going to and from > and waiting for the heaters in their cars to start working, while I will have > all my toasty warm stuff on before I even go outside. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 23 10:01:49 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0NF1nO7023100; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 10:01:49 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0NF1mNH023090; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 10:01:48 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <79B36BCD74CDD411AE4000508B55FC5F9F6BEA@NCEAEXCHANGE> From: bernescut@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Cold Ride Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 10:01:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hey! I resemble that remark! Everytime I see a guy on a bike out in this weather, it still makes me wish I lived further away from work so I could ride. :-D Scooter (walking in your Nation's Crapital since 1995.) I have ridden down to about 15-18 degrees but I'm more worried about the sand and other crap in the road so I've left the bike parked. I walk in from Foggy Bottom Metro to Georgetown every morning and have to check the mirror to see if my ears are still there. Tuesday morning I passed one of DC's motor officers on his H-D sidecar and thought he was freakin' nuts for being out there. Small windscreen and open face helmet make for an uncomfortable workplace for sure. I could see the ice from his breath on his neck/face warner. Couple of thoughts ran through my head, do they ever carry a passenger in that sidecar rig? Are they running stock exhaust? It sure seems loud, even for a Harley. Since this is DC-Cycles, what happens to their sidearms at this temperature? Does the cold cause them to freeze or jam? I was at Tysons Corner Mall a few weeks ago shopping with the wife and FFX LEO's were doing a public awareness/indoctrination session on the red light cameras and I asked about the display Harley they had and the officer in charge says that one of their units had the electric hand grips short out, ignite a fire and rendered the bike extra-crispy; rider wasn't on it at the time, thankfully. Cedric From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 23 10:24:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0NFOQO7023948; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 10:24:26 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0NFOPNQ023938; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 10:24:25 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <002b01c2c2f3$8aa36240$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: , References: <79B36BCD74CDD411AE4000508B55FC5F9F6BEA@NCEAEXCHANGE> Subject: Re: Cold Ride Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 10:23:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Lots of DC moto LEOs out for the marches and whatnot of the last few days. The Harleys seem to be equipped with lap blankets, etc. They're used to it, doing year-round motorcade duty. Being a DC moto-cop is not just a fair weather assignment. I've never seen a passenger in the sidecars, but I assume they are ballasted in some fashion. The little bikini fairing on the VF500F Mini-ceptor seems tailor-made to direct the wind-blast onto my chest and up into the helmet. Bike started up with little drama at 14 degrees, even after sitting out all night. The VFR has 5W40 full synthetic oil in it this winter, and the starter clutch slippage has gone away, so neither bike seems fazed by the cold temps. I didn't even need to turn up the Gerbings all the way this morning. I had a USPP cruiser tailing me on the GW, so I stuck to the legal limit. Heat loss seems to double for even 10 mph in speed. Someone asked about heated gear. You should give the Gerbing's rep. a holler. They're good people. Mike Vlahos mgvlahos@XXXXXX > P.O. Box 271 > Mt. Airy, MD 21771 > Phone: 301.831.0791 > Fax: 301.829.0452 Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 10:01 AM Subject: RE: Cold Ride > Hey! I resemble that remark! > > Everytime I see a guy on a bike out in this weather, it still makes me > wish I lived further away from work so I could ride. :-D > > Scooter (walking in your Nation's Crapital since 1995.) > > I have ridden down to about 15-18 degrees but I'm more worried about the > sand and other crap in the road so I've left the bike parked. I walk in > from Foggy Bottom Metro to Georgetown every morning and have to check the > mirror to see if my ears are still there. Tuesday morning I passed one of > DC's motor officers on his H-D sidecar and thought he was freakin' nuts for > being out there. Small windscreen and open face helmet make for an > uncomfortable workplace for sure. I could see the ice from his breath on > his neck/face warner. Couple of thoughts ran through my head, do they ever > carry a passenger in that sidecar rig? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 23 10:25:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0NFPNO7024006; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 10:25:23 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0NFPMBa024001; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 10:25:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <200301231524.QCI93243@vmms2.verisignmail.com> Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 10:24:50 -0500 From: Dave Yates Subject: RE: Cold Ride To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mirapoint Webmail Direct 2.9.3.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cedric contributed: >Tuesday morning I passed one of >DC's motor officers on his H-D sidecar and thought he was freakin' nuts for >being out there. Small windscreen and open face helmet make for an >uncomfortable workplace for sure. I could see the ice from his breath on >his neck/face warner. Couple of thoughts ran through my head, ...Since this is DC-Cycles, what happens >to their sidearms at this temperature? Does the cold cause them to freeze >or jam? [Dave] well, since they're Glocks, they don't need no stinkin' cold to jam ;-) True connieseurs of combat tupperware KNOW that the Germans produce far superior tactical plastic than the Austrians ! Seriously - if they're marginally, or under lubed, there's a 'slightly higher chance' of a malfucntion, but that said, it's not that much. I was at Tysons Corner Mall a few weeks ago shopping with the wife >and FFX LEO's were doing a public awareness/indoctrination session on the >red light cameras and I asked about the display Harley they had and the >officer in charge says that one of their units had the electric hand grips >short out, ignite a fire and rendered the bike extra-crispy; rider wasn't on >it at the time, thankfully. [Dave]Were they there in support of more enabling legislation or just there because they grew tired of raiding bars ? Are Va. (and associated counties/cities) permitted to lobby for political causes? Today, I was almost sideswiped by a guy in a Mercedes SUV. His distraction - applying hair spray while making a 90 degree right hander, and running wide... Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 23 10:29:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0NFTxO7025498; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 10:29:59 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0NFTxkw025483; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 10:29:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <79B36BCD74CDD411AE4000508B55FC5F9F6BEB@NCEAEXCHANGE> From: bernescut@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Cold Ride Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 10:29:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I know it was dangerous, but I still get a warm glow from the memory of a sleepy lane drifter on I-66 dropping his large Starbucks cup in his lap after a toot from my horn :) Cedric Today, I was almost sideswiped by a guy in a Mercedes SUV. His distraction - applying hair spray while making a 90 degree right hander, and running wide... Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 23 10:30:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0NFUhO7025553; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 10:30:43 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0NFUhe6025549; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 10:30:43 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 10:30:27 -0500 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: jmcgonigle@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Cold Ride MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <0499FAB9.3A9BD3E6.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Uh-huh. And where do you live? What time do you go to work? What do you drive? Just curious so I know which car to steal. ;-) Haven't you heard on the news lately as to how many cars have been stolen this winter in the DC area due to people starting their cars to warm up and then going back inside the house? I think there were 17 stolen last Thursday or Friday when they were reporting on it. Scooter In a message dated 1/23/2003 9:35:07 AM Eastern Standard Time, jmcgonigle@XXXXXX writes: > > > > That's why you start the car and go back into the house until it's > warm... > > -Jim "Cold Weather Wimp" M > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX [mailto:PenguinBiker@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 9:27 AM > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Re: Cold Ride > > > > > > In a message dated 1/23/2003 7:03:29 AM Eastern Standard Time, > > cschelin@XXXXXX writes: > > > > > Ponytail is frozen again. I got colder putting gas in the > > bike and on the > > > walk to the office than I did on the ride this morning. > > > > I like to remind people that they will freeze their ass off > > going to and from > > and waiting for the heaters in their cars to start > working, > > while I will have > > all my toasty warm stuff on before I even go outside. > > > > I do the same sort of thing in the rain. > > > > > > John. > > PenguinBiker@XXXXXX > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 23 10:41:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0NFfKO7027084; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 10:41:20 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0NFfKA7027074; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 10:41:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <200301231539.QCI95436@vmms2.verisignmail.com> Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 10:40:09 -0500 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: Cold Ride To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mirapoint Webmail Direct 2.9.3.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Scooter boasted: > >Uh-huh. And where do you live? What time do you go to work? What do you drive? Just curious so I know which car to steal. ;-) Haven't you heard on the news lately as to how many cars have been stolen this winter in the DC area due to people starting their cars to warm up and then going back inside the house? I think there were 17 stolen last Thursday or Friday when they were reporting on it. [Dave] And, for a change, we can Beat up on MD laws ;-) in MD it's actually a traffic infraction to warm up your car with nobody in it (or something like that). Dianne Richardson, mouthpiece for the PG co. police was talking about it. SCOFFLAWS ! :-p Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 23 10:46:09 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0NFk9O7027869; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 10:46:09 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0NFk9JJ027859; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 10:46:09 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030123105446.027f3c50@fbody.com> X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 10:58:05 -0500 To: From: Wayne Edelen Subject: Re: Cold Ride In-Reply-To: <002b01c2c2f3$8aa36240$bb82fea9@palladio1> References: <79B36BCD74CDD411AE4000508B55FC5F9F6BEA@NCEAEXCHANGE> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:23 AM 1/23/03 -0500, Paul Wilson wrote: >The little bikini fairing on the VF500F Mini-ceptor seems tailor-made to >direct the wind-blast onto my chest and up into the helmet. Bike started up >with little drama at 14 degrees, even after sitting out all night. The VFR >has 5W40 full synthetic oil in it this winter, and the starter clutch >slippage has gone away, so neither bike seems fazed by the cold temps. Have you tried Zero Gravity and other windscreen companies to see if they make a taller screen that might move the wind blast up over your helmet? -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 23 10:46:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0NFkgO7027918; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 10:46:42 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0NFkgVs027911; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 10:46:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX, jmcgonigle@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Cold Ride Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 10:43:09 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" References: <0499FAB9.3A9BD3E6.0C9D3659@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <0499FAB9.3A9BD3E6.0C9D3659@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <03012310430951.02506@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I have a dual ring keyring with the ignition keys on one ring and the door and house (and other keys) on the other one. I start the truck, lock the door and come back in a few minutes when it's warm. Same with 7/11. Take the door key half, lock the door, make my purchases, unlock the door and leave. It doesn't stop someone who wants to break in or who has a slim jim but the vehicle's likely gone in those cases with our without an ignition key. The 17 stolen cars were very likely someone leaving the doors unlocked while they went in for "just a second". Carl On Thursday 23 January 2003 10:30, ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > Uh-huh. And where do you live? What time do you go to work? What do you > drive? Just curious so I know which car to steal. ;-) Haven't you heard > on the news lately as to how many cars have been stolen this winter in the > DC area due to people starting their cars to warm up and then going back > inside the house? I think there were 17 stolen last Thursday or Friday > when they were reporting on it. > > Scooter > > In a message dated 1/23/2003 9:35:07 AM Eastern Standard Time, jmcgonigle@XXXXXX writes: > > That's why you start the car and go back into the house until it's > > warm... > > > > -Jim "Cold Weather Wimp" M > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX [mailto:PenguinBiker@XXXXXX] > > > Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 9:27 AM > > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > > Subject: Re: Cold Ride > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 1/23/2003 7:03:29 AM Eastern Standard Time, > > > > > > cschelin@XXXXXX writes: > > > > Ponytail is frozen again. I got colder putting gas in the > > > > > > bike and on the > > > > > > > walk to the office than I did on the ride this morning. > > > > > > I like to remind people that they will freeze their ass off > > > going to and from > > > and waiting for the heaters in their cars to start > > > > working, > > > > > while I will have > > > all my toasty warm stuff on before I even go outside. > > > > > > I do the same sort of thing in the rain. > > > > > > > > > John. > > > PenguinBiker@XXXXXX -- Carl Schelin (BOFH, Badlife, DNRC, Sun CSA/CNA, Cisco CNA/CNP, '02 FXSTI) finger cschelin@XXXXXX for phone and address From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 23 10:56:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0NFu0O7029451; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 10:56:00 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0NFu0Dq029441; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 10:56:00 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E300F1A.982F2C8F@carlparker.com> Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 10:49:46 -0500 From: Carl Parker X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en,zh-CN MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DCCycles Subject: Kick my ass...cold morning riding... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit So I woke up this morning and called the weather. Weather dude said current temps is 14degs with windchill to 0. "Brrr...too cold." I thought, "Man I wish I had electrics." It doesn't help either that my bed is right by a windows making a 30deg difference between in/out of cover. So I start the cage and let her warm up for a good ten minutes while I take care of details inside. Pull out onto the street and low and behold I was assailed, much in the same way one collides with another vehicle, by my own wussiness. There was a dude riding a Victory cruiser with a half helmet, scarf, and jeans - that definitely looked like some underlayering was present - just cruising along on the two wheeled lady of soul-freshness I like to call "motorcycle". "Damn." I said to myself. Then a score of bike-cops whizzed by escorting a funeral procession..."Double dudely-damn". I could kick myself in the ass for not riding in this morning and now that I know the excuses I give myself I'll be all along the watchtower for it. I've cleaned and polished my bike twice since its been in the garage for at least a week now. It is nice to be able to do maintenance things like install a rear hugger and learn more about the dissasembly and assembly of your ride. Even if you've done it a hundred times something little and new can pop up and give you that little challenge - an insult to your bravado - that you love so much it's so easy to hate. Imagine things on your bike; that next mod or addition whether it's blinking brake lights or that sweet piece of chrome. Ultimately though, two wheels were meant to go round and round and not just look pretty. I figure it's only 9 miles or so tops to work and, save some below 0 temps and nasty crosswinds, it's no problem; just gotta layer up real nice like...and use the Force! Whether you ride in the cold or not, stay warm and live to ride another day! Pax, Carl Parker -------------------------------- 82' Magna v45 - "Mystery Ship" 98' Bandit 12S - -------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 23 11:00:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0NG0hO7030912; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 11:00:43 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0NG0gRa030904; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 11:00:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3E3012EC.48D095DB@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 11:06:04 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX CC: jmcgonigle@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Cold Ride References: <0499FAB9.3A9BD3E6.0C9D3659@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > Uh-huh. And where do you live? What time do you go to work? What do you drive? Just curious so I know which car to steal. ;-) Haven't you heard on the news lately as to how many cars have been stolen this winter in the DC area due to people starting their cars to warm up and then going back inside the house? I think there were 17 stolen last Thursday or Friday when they were reporting on it. > > Scooter My secret - drive junk. My pickemup truck is so butt-ugly I could leave it unlocked and running anywhere and no one would swipe it. Hey, criminals have standards! I don't - junk works fer me. Bill From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 23 11:06:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0NG62O7031734; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 11:06:02 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0NG624s031729; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 11:06:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <004201c2c2f9$591ccc60$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: , "Wayne Edelen" References: <79B36BCD74CDD411AE4000508B55FC5F9F6BEA@NCEAEXCHANGE> <5.1.1.6.2.20030123105446.027f3c50@fbody.com> Subject: Re: Cold Ride Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 11:02:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wayne Edelen" > At 10:23 AM 1/23/03 -0500, Paul Wilson wrote: > >The little bikini fairing on the VF500F Mini-ceptor seems tailor-made to > >direct the wind-blast onto my chest and up into the helmet. > > Have you tried Zero Gravity and other windscreen companies to see if they > make a taller screen that might move the wind blast up over your helmet? > > -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ > Naah, then I'd have nothing to complain about on the list. :) Seriously, 99.9% of the time, the little Targa screen is fine and the bike's been out of production for so long that the aftermarket has atrophied. Paul in DC 95 VFR750 - 86 VF500F - IBA # 12143 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jan 23 11:26:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0NGQ4O7032722; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 11:26:04 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0NGQ35t032712; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 11:26:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Reply-To: From: "Jim McGonigle" To: , Subject: RE: Cold Ride Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 11:24:29 -0500 Organization: BroadSoft Message-ID: <013001c2c2fb$e7bae400$8101a8c0@jmcgonigle> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <0499FAB9.3A9BD3E6.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal I drove my 91 toyota w/ 119k miles. If you want it, go for it! ;) > -----Original Message----- > From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX [mailto:ScooterFZR@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 10:30 AM > To: jmcgonigle@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Cold Ride > > > Uh-huh. And where do you live? What time do you go to work? > What do you drive? Just curious so I know which car to > steal. ;-) Haven't you heard on the news lately as to how > many cars have been stolen this winter in the DC area due to > people starting their cars to warm up and then going back > inside the house? I think there were 17 stolen last Thursday > or Friday when they were reporting on it. > > Scooter > > In a message dated 1/23/2003 9:35:07 AM Eastern Standard > Time, jmcgonigle@XXXXXX writes: > > > > > > > > > That's why you start the car and go back into the house until it's > > warm... > > >