From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 1 09:57:57 2002 Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 10:00:39 -0500 From: Paul Wilson To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Art of the motorcycle PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > > In a message dated 12/31/2001 9:47:28 AM Eastern Standard Time, > keithlva@XXXXXX writes: > > > It never > > occured to me that horseback riding influenced the > > shape of early motorcycles. > > Why do you think we mount from the left? > (unless you are a cop) > > John Walters (Long John) The reason an equestrian mounts on the left side of the horse, it because of the predominance of right-handedness. A cavalryman wears his sword on his left hip, to grip it and draw it out of the scabbard with his right hand. Therefore, it makes sense to mount a horse from the horse's left side. I assume this sort of thing carried over to motorcycles. Go to historic homes and sometimes you'll see armchairs with no left arms. These were designed for gentlemen with side arms. Paul in DC From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 1 12:06:20 2002 Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 09:06:18 -0800 (PST) From: Keith Lamond Subject: non-moto: Exploring my options (new job) To: dccyles My main new years resolution is to find a job that I would enjoy more than my current position. With the diversity of people on this list, I figured you could help me come up with some ideas for a new direction. I'm currently a project manager for an Internet applications consulting firm. A year ago I was an architect and team lead for web application development projects, which I certainly enjoyed more than my current position. Thoughts that I've had so far on a new direction include: * Finding somewhere to use my skills in the motorcycle industry. * Going on my own as an independent web developer. * Starting a business around Internet sales or services of some type. * Moving to another private industry or even government job in application development. I'm hoping to get more input into the first three ideas, as the fourth has the danger of being more of the same that I am experiencing now. So for any of you that have gone out on your own as a consultant or business owner: What made you decide to work for yourself? How difficult was it to establish a customer base? What advice would you give to someone thinking about going it on their own? For those of you in the motorcycle industry: What types of positions are available? Who should I talk to for information about jobs in the industry? For the moment I'm just researching options, and any help with my research is appreciated. Sorry to bring a non-moto question to the list, but I value the opinions of people on the list and have kept my signal to noise ratio down on the list until this point. Keith YSR 50 EARA #24 GS500E NESBA #456 SV650 Streetbike __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 1 13:50:42 2002 From: "Ricardo Pontes" To: "Dccycles" Subject: Daytona and myrtle beach bike week Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 13:50:27 -0500 Anyone planning on goign to these. Particularly Daytona bike week. I have never been to it, but will make the trip this year. Ill ride down there from here. Anyone know if its hard to get a room around there, if its possible to camp on the beach? Do i need to make reservations now? I was perhaps planning on getting a cheap hotel further from the action and going in to bike week. From people who have made his trip, what is it like? Ricardo Pontes From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 1 16:11:07 2002 Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 16:09:26 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" To: Ricardo Pontes CC: Dccycles Subject: Re: Daytona and myrtle beach bike week RIDE down ??? Nonono, the unofficial name for Daytona is Trailer Week. I went in `83 - rode down in the cold rain - wondered if I had the wrong week `cause I didn't see a single damn bike until I hooked up with a guy from PA in GA. My cuz went down again last year and sez it's even worse RE trailer to riden bike ratio. But there is a gaurentee - you'll see more'n one pair on naked ta-tas. Bill Ricardo Pontes wrote: > Anyone planning on goign to these. Particularly Daytona bike week. I have > never been to it, but will make the trip this year. Ill ride down there from > here. Anyone know if its hard to get a room around there, if its possible to > camp on the beach? Do i need to make reservations now? I was perhaps > planning on getting a cheap hotel further from the action and going in to > bike week. From people who have made his trip, what is it like? > > Ricardo Pontes From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 1 16:12:34 2002 From: laura granato To: "Ricardo Pontes" , "Dccycles" Subject: Re: Daytona and myrtle beach bike week Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 16:12:28 -0500 On Tuesday 01 January 2002 13:50, Ricardo Pontes wrote: > Anyone planning on goign to these. Particularly Daytona bike week. I have > never been to it, but will make the trip this year. Ill ride down there > from here. Anyone know if its hard to get a room around there, if its > possible to camp on the beach? Do i need to make reservations now? I was > perhaps planning on getting a cheap hotel further from the action and going > in to bike week. From people who have made his trip, what is it like? > Ricardo: Brian and I went last October for the last CCS race of the season...Don't get me wrong, it was fun, but...it was crowded, rooms are expensive, you can't camp at the track, by now you'll probably have trouble getting a room. It's a pretty long haul, but not too bad...it took us 15 hours from Delaware. Bike week just looked crowded! Hard to get in anywhere to eat and lots of morons riding around drunk on bikes. That's just my take on the whole thing, as I'm sure some people love bike week. It looked pretty fun, but since we weren't participating in "bike week" I can't comment on what that's like. As for racing at daytona, which I believe is there during bike week, even the track was boring as hell to watch at. Daytona itself had some pretty cool restaurants and stuff around, but I'd recommend trying to get a room now. A lot of people started booking for it over six months ago. Good luck! Laura From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 1 16:48:34 2002 Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 16:48:11 -0500 From: "Scott Luttrell" To: "DC Cycle mailing list" Subject: Re: Daytona and myrtle beach bike week We'll be heading down to Daytona Feb. 28th around noon for the CCS/Fusa races March 1-4. We'll be racing so we are trailering down and most likely camp again this year to save a couple bucks. As far as I know you can't camp on the beach, but there are camp grounds not to far from the track. Scott Luttrell Fast & Wily Racing www.fastandwily.com ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Ricardo Pontes" Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 13:50:27 -0500 > > >Anyone planning on goign to these. Particularly Daytona bike week. I have >never been to it, but will make the trip this year. Ill ride down there from >here. Anyone know if its hard to get a room around there, if its possible to >camp on the beach? Do i need to make reservations now? I was perhaps >planning on getting a cheap hotel further from the action and going in to >bike week. From people who have made his trip, what is it like? > >Ricardo Pontes > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 1 17:27:57 2002 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 17:27:47 EST Subject: First Joy Ride of 02 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX What a great day for a ride! The sun was shining, the roads were great, the traffic light, other then the weather being less thermally enhanced then a Wicca nursing apparatus it was perfect. Went on the "Polar Bear" ride, about 100mi. of following the kind of local roads that it would have taken me years to begin to find. My definition of a great day. Anyhow, for those who were not able to ride today may you spend the next year enjoying the kind of riding I enjoyed today. Merry New Year!!! John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European is now necessary {and I still like it.}) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 1 17:35:22 2002 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 17:35:05 EST Subject: Re: Art of (falling off) the motorcycle To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >> Why do you think we mount from the left? >> (unless you are a cop) >Anyone else wish motos (in the States at least) >had the sidestands on the right side instead of >the left side? Note the part above where I said unless you are a cop. They do dismount from the right (Easy on a Harley) so as not to fall into traffic if they stumble. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European is now necessary {and I still like it.}) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 1 17:42:04 2002 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 17:41:47 EST Subject: Re: Art of the motorcycle To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 1/1/2002 9:58:05 AM Eastern Standard Time, pawilson@XXXXXX writes: > Go to historic homes and sometimes you'll see armchairs with no left > arms. These were designed for gentlemen with side arms. Would not those be arms-chairs? Sorry. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European is now necessary {and I still like it.}) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 1 17:43:02 2002 Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 14:43:00 -0800 (PST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: First Joy Ride of 02 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > What a great day for a ride! The sun was shining, the roads were great, the > traffic light, other then the weather being less thermally enhanced then a > Wicca nursing apparatus it was perfect. I agree is was a good day for a ride. Unfortunately my bike wimped out and wouldn't start. Had to ride behind a friend of mine for the PARR Polar Bear run. How embarrassing. At least he told me he'd loan me his battery charger so I can see if that is what the problem is. Happy 2002 all!! Louis __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 1 17:58:24 2002 Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 17:41:42 -0500 To: DC Cycles From: Thomas Jordan Subject: OT - Legal question I know there are a couple of the best lawyers in the DC area on this list, and I need some info regarding accidents on private property. I was struck last night in a Wal-Mart parking lot by a woman driving about 40mph on the wrong side of the road. The officer who responded to the call said that he could not charge anyone with a violation, or determine fault in the accident because it was on private property. Is this true? Please reply privately. Thank you. -Thomas Jordan -- From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 1 20:19:13 2002 Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 20:25:14 -0500 From: "Steven C. Di Pietro" To: Keith Lamond CC: dccyles Subject: Re: non-moto: Exploring my options (new job) Keith Lamond wrote: > My main new years resolution is to find a job that I > would enjoy more than my current position. With the > diversity of people on this list, I figured you could > help me come up with some ideas for a new direction. > SNIP Keith, How 'bout starting a web based MC parts and accessories store. With a big discount to DC-C'ers, too. ;) Steven C. Di Pietro Assistant National Director National Marketing Coordinator Suzuki Owners Club USA 142 Circle Road Pasadena Md. 21122-6036 http://www.soc-usa.org From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 1 21:13:07 2002 Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 18:13:06 -0800 (PST) From: Keith Lamond Subject: Re: non-moto: Exploring my options (new job) To: "Steven C. Di Pietro" Cc: dccyles I'm actively exploring that option with a local motorcycle shop. Need to work everything out and give it a trial run as part time before it would be a full time job. However I don't want to put my search on hold while I see if this works out. If the online parts store gets started, I'll let the list know. I'm sure I'll be able to include a lister discount if I get it running. Keith --- "Steven C. Di Pietro" wrote: > > > Keith Lamond wrote: > > > My main new years resolution is to find a job that > I > > would enjoy more than my current position. With > the > > diversity of people on this list, I figured you > could > > help me come up with some ideas for a new > direction. > > > > SNIP > > Keith, > How 'bout starting a web based MC parts > and accessories > store. With a big discount to DC-C'ers, too. ;) > > Steven C. Di Pietro > Assistant National Director > National Marketing Coordinator > Suzuki Owners Club USA > 142 Circle Road > Pasadena Md. 21122-6036 > http://www.soc-usa.org > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 1 21:35:32 2002 Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 21:33:52 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" To: Thomas Jordan CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: OT - Legal question I'm no lawyer, but I believe the "private property" deal is BS to cut down on their paperwork. Basically, no injury, no foul - see ya! But one dark stormy night a law officer followed me out of a shopping center lot and eventually stopped me for speeding. He said the law considers shopping center areas as "service roads" and that said service roads have a 15MPH speed limit. No ticket, which was surprising since I posed the obvious question, how come y`all blow off accidents on those "service roads"? No answer either. Bill Thomas Jordan wrote: > I know there are a couple of the best lawyers in the DC area on this > list, and I need some info regarding accidents on private property. I > was struck last night in a Wal-Mart parking lot by a woman driving > about 40mph on the wrong side of the road. The officer who responded > to the call said that he could not charge anyone with a violation, or > determine fault in the accident because it was on private property. > Is this true? Please reply privately. Thank you. > > -Thomas Jordan > -- From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 1 21:49:47 2002 Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 21:53:44 -0500 From: Paul Wilson To: DC Cycles CC: Thomas Jordan Subject: Re: OT - Legal question William J. Huson wrote: > > I'm no lawyer, but I believe the "private property" deal is BS to cut > down on their paperwork. Basically, no injury, no foul - see ya! > > Bill > > Thomas Jordan wrote: > > > I know there are a couple of the best lawyers in the DC area on this > > list, and I need some info regarding accidents on private property. I > > was struck last night in a Wal-Mart parking lot by a woman driving > > about 40mph on the wrong side of the road. The officer who responded > > to the call said that he could not charge anyone with a violation, or > > determine fault in the accident because it was on private property. > > Is this true? Please reply privately. Thank you. > > > > -Thomas Jordan > > -- I'd say as a first measure, contact your insurance company, then file a claim against her insurance. If her insurance denies the claim, then let your insurance company go to bat for you (and themselves, of course). Did you get info from witnesses or anything? The police should have a record of them at least responding to the accident, log of a 911 call, etc. She is still liable for the damage; it's not really dependent on getting a ticket. Paul in DC (not an attorney, don't play one on TV, etc.) From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 1 22:20:27 2002 Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 19:20:25 -0800 (PST) From: Nomad Subject: First Moto Accident of 2002 To: vfr@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Hi all- This afternoon I decided to take the VFR out for a short run having missed the local "polar bear" rides due to a late New Year's Eve party but wanting to start the year out right and charge up the battery. Dispite the 30 degree temps, the sun was out and the roads were clear. What's not to like. As I headed down the George Washington Parkway just past the National Airport exit I spotted a Park Police cruiser blocking the upcoming left lane. He was apparently helping out a stalled car. The traffic in front of me merged into the right lane and I followed. Just as I was approaching the cruiser, I spotted through my mirror a car approaching in the left lane at a high rate of speed. A girl in a silver integra was headed straight for the cruiser. She finally reacts and hits the brakes hard and vears right towards me to avoid the cruiser. I hit the throttle and vear right a couple of feet as she hits my left ankle/left peg with her bumper. I lurched forward a few feet but managed to avoid the car in front of me and keep the bike upright. No other injury to me or the bike. I was very lucky. She pulls over, gets out of the car and proceeds to act anoid that I have inconvenienced her. She offers to call an ambulance but I decline. The cop looks over but stays with the stalled car. So...I've had my accident quota for the '02 year. ;~) Be careful out there...somethings don't change. Herb (w/bruised ankle) '99 VFR Arlington, VA __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 2 09:01:21 2002 Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 09:00:36 -0500 From: "Chris Norloff" To: "List-dc cycles" Subject: Reusable Flame graphics! I haven't tried these myself, but they look like a lot of fun! Chris Norloff Resuable motorcycle graphics: flames, flags, paint splashes http://www.cyclegraphics.cc/index.shtml Fighter plane (shark mouth & eyes) http://www.cyclegraphics.cc/imagezoom.shtml?C_slot3 EBay auction for flames: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=599809108 From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 2 09:40:28 2002 Subject: RE: First Moto Accident of 2002 From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 09:41:07 -0500 To: "nomad98@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Herb, First of all, glad to hear you and your VFR are OK. Uh, how fast was she going when she made contact with you? You are really lucky. And the cop didn't seem too concerned that a car had made physical contact with a motorcycle? Nice guy. I would've gotten her insurance info and made an injury claim against her. If nothing else, maybe her insurance company would hike up her premium. Chuck Original Message: ----------------- From: Nomad nomad98@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 19:20:25 -0800 (PST) To: vfr@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: First Moto Accident of 2002 Hi all- This afternoon I decided to take the VFR out for a short run having missed the local "polar bear" rides due to a late New Year's Eve party but wanting to start the year out right and charge up the battery. Dispite the 30 degree temps, the sun was out and the roads were clear. What's not to like. As I headed down the George Washington Parkway just past the National Airport exit I spotted a Park Police cruiser blocking the upcoming left lane. He was apparently helping out a stalled car. The traffic in front of me merged into the right lane and I followed. Just as I was approaching the cruiser, I spotted through my mirror a car approaching in the left lane at a high rate of speed. A girl in a silver integra was headed straight for the cruiser. She finally reacts and hits the brakes hard and vears right towards me to avoid the cruiser. I hit the throttle and vear right a couple of feet as she hits my left ankle/left peg with her bumper. I lurched forward a few feet but managed to avoid the car in front of me and keep the bike upright. No other injury to me or the bike. I was very lucky. She pulls over, gets out of the car and proceeds to act anoid that I have inconvenienced her. She offers to call an ambulance but I decline. The cop looks over but stays with the stalled car. So...I've had my accident quota for the '02 year. ;~) Be careful out there...somethings don't change. Herb (w/bruised ankle) '99 VFR Arlington, VA __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 2 10:03:29 2002 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Nomad" , Subject: Re: First Moto Accident of 2002 Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 10:06:22 -0500 Ouch, glad you're OK. Sounds like you were extremely lucky. If this was around 2PM my wife witnessed the incident that led to the cruiser being in the road. She said a driver either blacked out or was intoxicated and slammed into the median separator. She and a couple of other motorists stopped to see if the guy had a heart attack or something and needed EMS to come out. That's why the left lane was blocked. Usually they get stalled cars and traffic stops off to the side of the road. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nomad" > Hi all- > > This afternoon I decided to take the VFR out for a short run having > missed the local "polar bear" rides due to a late New Year's Eve > party but wanting to start the year out right and charge up the > battery. Dispite the 30 degree temps, the sun was out and the roads > were clear. What's not to like. > > As I headed down the George Washington Parkway just past the National > Airport exit I spotted a Park Police cruiser blocking the upcoming > left lane. He was apparently helping out a stalled car. The traffic > in front of me merged into the right lane and I followed. Just as I > was approaching the cruiser, I spotted through my mirror a car > approaching in the left lane at a high rate of speed. ... From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 2 10:39:44 2002 Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 07:39:42 -0800 (PST) From: Aaron Subject: Lane splitting To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (This was brought up in years past, but not indulge me again, if you will.) Out of curiousity, I spent some time going through the traffic law section of the DC code over the holidays. Interestingly, unlike VA and MD, there doesn't appear to be any explicit prohibition on sharing a lane/lane splitting. (I've been told that this is the case in CA too . . . there is no prohibition on lane splitting, ergo, it is allowed). Has anyone received a ticket for lane-splitting in DC? Do you remember what you were charged with? Has anyone been pulled for lane-splitting and NOT received a ticket? Thanks [My project this year is to try to get lane-splitting legitimized in DC (since we now rank up there with CA for traffic congestion). Anyone who wants to help, let me know.] __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 2 10:46:09 2002 From: SKeener2@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 10:45:51 EST Subject: Re: Daytona and myrtle beach bike week To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --part1_78.1feddb65.2964852f_boundary In a message dated 1/1/02 4:11:45 PM Eastern Standard Time, bhuson@XXXXXX writes: > RIDE down ??? Nonono, the unofficial name for Daytona is Trailer Week. I > went > in `83 - rode down in the cold rain - wondered if I had the wrong week > `cause I > didn't see a single damn bike until I hooked up with a guy from PA in GA. > My cuz > went down again last year and sez it's even worse RE trailer to riden bike > ratio. But there is a gaurentee - you'll see more'n one pair on naked > ta-tas. He's correct. You generally have a difficult time in hotel parking lots due to the large number of trailers. If you do go...lock your bikes AND trailers up with good heavy duty locks. There are tons of bikes & trailers stolen each year. And yes...I'm planning on being there for bike week. I'm planning on racing the CCS/FUSA at the speedway on 2/28-3/2. I should also be around running races the following weekend with the AMA. Keener --part1_78.1feddb65.2964852f_boundary In a message dated 1/1/02 4:11:45 PM Eastern Standard Time, bhuson@XXXXXX writes:

RIDE down ???  Nonono, the unofficial name for Daytona is Trailer Week.  I went
in `83 - rode down in the cold rain - wondered if I had the wrong week `cause I
didn't see a single damn bike until I hooked up with a guy from PA in GA. My cuz
went down again last year and sez it's even worse RE trailer to riden bike
ratio.  But there is a gaurentee - you'll see more'n one pair on naked ta-tas.


He's correct.  You generally have a difficult time in hotel parking lots due to the large number of trailers.  If you do go...lock your bikes AND trailers up with good heavy duty locks.  There are tons of bikes & trailers stolen each year.

And yes...I'm planning on being there for bike week.  I'm planning on racing the CCS/FUSA at the speedway on 2/28-3/2.  I should also be around running races the following weekend with the AMA. 

Keener

 --part1_78.1feddb65.2964852f_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 2 11:01:00 2002 From: "ROBERSON, Brian" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: First Moto Accident of 2002 Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 11:00:50 -0500 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C193A6.A6348AC0 As a former State Farm employee (years ago) I know that insurance companies don't take kindly to their policy holders hitting motorcyclists... Its got liability and sue written all over it. I would also have taken her insurance and filed a claim.. Gone to the doctor and made sure all was OK. Chances are they would have (eventually) offered a settlement... Brian 99 VFR, 81 CB750F -----Original Message----- From: cvkgpena@XXXXXX [mailto:cvkgpena@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 9:41 AM To: nomad98@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: First Moto Accident of 2002 Herb, First of all, glad to hear you and your VFR are OK. Uh, how fast was she going when she made contact with you? You are really lucky. And the cop didn't seem too concerned that a car had made physical contact with a motorcycle? Nice guy. I would've gotten her insurance info and made an injury claim against her. If nothing else, maybe her insurance company would hike up her premium. Chuck Original Message: ----------------- From: Nomad nomad98@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 19:20:25 -0800 (PST) To: vfr@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: First Moto Accident of 2002 Hi all- This afternoon I decided to take the VFR out for a short run having missed the local "polar bear" rides due to a late New Year's Eve party but wanting to start the year out right and charge up the battery. Dispite the 30 degree temps, the sun was out and the roads were clear. What's not to like. As I headed down the George Washington Parkway just past the National Airport exit I spotted a Park Police cruiser blocking the upcoming left lane. He was apparently helping out a stalled car. The traffic in front of me merged into the right lane and I followed. Just as I was approaching the cruiser, I spotted through my mirror a car approaching in the left lane at a high rate of speed. A girl in a silver integra was headed straight for the cruiser. She finally reacts and hits the brakes hard and vears right towards me to avoid the cruiser. I hit the throttle and vear right a couple of feet as she hits my left ankle/left peg with her bumper. I lurched forward a few feet but managed to avoid the car in front of me and keep the bike upright. No other injury to me or the bike. I was very lucky. She pulls over, gets out of the car and proceeds to act anoid that I have inconvenienced her. She offers to call an ambulance but I decline. The cop looks over but stays with the stalled car. So...I've had my accident quota for the '02 year. ;~) Be careful out there...somethings don't change. Herb (w/bruised ankle) '99 VFR Arlington, VA __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . ------_=_NextPart_001_01C193A6.A6348AC0 RE: First Moto Accident of 2002

As a former State Farm employee (years ago) I know = that insurance companies don't take kindly to their policy holders = hitting motorcyclists... Its got liability and sue written all over = it.  I would also have taken her insurance and filed a claim.. = Gone to the doctor and made sure all was OK.  Chances are they = would have (eventually) offered a settlement...

Brian
99 VFR, 81 CB750F

-----Original Message-----
From: cvkgpena@XXXXXX [mailto:cvkgpena@XXXXXX= ]
Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 9:41 AM
To: nomad98@XXXXXX; = dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Subject: RE: First Moto Accident of 2002


Herb,

First of all, glad to hear you and your VFR are = OK.  Uh, how fast was she going when she made contact with = you?  You are really lucky.  And the cop didn't seem too = concerned that a car had made physical contact with a motorcycle?  = Nice guy.  I would've gotten her insurance info and made an injury = claim against her.  If nothing else, maybe her insurance company = would hike up her premium.

Chuck

Original Message:
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From: Nomad nomad98@XXXXXX
Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 19:20:25 -0800 (PST)
To: vfr@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Subject: First Moto Accident of 2002


Hi all-

This afternoon I decided to take the VFR out for a = short run having missed the local "polar bear" rides due to a = late New Year's Eve party but wanting to start the year out right and = charge up the battery. Dispite the 30 degree temps, the sun was out and = the roads were clear. What's not to like.

As I headed down the George Washington Parkway just = past the National Airport exit I spotted a Park Police cruiser blocking = the upcoming left lane.  He was apparently helping out a stalled = car. The traffic in front of me merged into the right lane and I = followed. Just as I was approaching the cruiser, I spotted through my = mirror a car approaching in the left lane at a high rate of speed. A = girl in a silver integra was headed straight for the cruiser. She = finally reacts and hits the brakes hard and vears right towards me to = avoid the cruiser. I hit the throttle and vear right a couple of feet = as she hits my left ankle/left peg with her bumper. I lurched forward a = few feet but managed to avoid the car in front of me and keep the bike = upright. No other injury to me or the bike.  I was very = lucky.

She pulls over, gets out of the car and proceeds to = act anoid that I have inconvenienced her.  She offers to call an = ambulance but I decline.  The cop looks over but stays with the = stalled car.

So...I've had my accident quota for the '02 year. = ;~)
Be careful out there...somethings don't = change.

Herb (w/bruised ankle)
'99 VFR
Arlington, VA


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------_=_NextPart_001_01C193A6.A6348AC0-- From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 2 11:06:30 2002 From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Subject: Art of the motorcycle Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 11:09:07 -0500 Keith started a thread with , "I just got back a couple of days ago from my trip to Las Vegas. Any of you listers who make your way out there owe it to yourselves to see the Art of the Motorcycle exhibit at the Las Vegas Guggenhiem museum." While not as exotic as Vegas, Pickerington, OH has the AMA museum. It's not as artsy as the Guggenheim but it has some outstanding examples of older and not-so-old bikes. 'Tis closer (~350 miles) and the roads to the south and east are outstanding. Not a bad ride over on major roads and if you like side roads, you can make it wunnerful. >From personal experience, there is motorcycle-friendly camping in the Hocking Hills (Top of the Caves) ~ 50 miles south and the ever charming Aldeco Motel ("Feel free to park your bike on the porch") in New Matamoras ($26!!) ~120 miles to the southeast. "I just wish it wasn't so damn cold when I got back. Seeing the exhibit makes we want to get on my bike and ride. Keith" Roads are dry; Polartec is on sale; . . . also see Gerbing source below: FWIW, when the temperature drops below 25 F, I leave the battery hooked to the BatteryTender overnight for a sure start. Carl in Bethesda Long John " . . . the weather being less thermally enhanced than a Wicca nursing apparatus . . ." =8^D Will those be demo'ed at trailer week? Carl in Brrr-thesda Subject: Gerbing Gear From: "Tanner, Linda" To: "DC_CYCLES (E_mail)" Subject: Gerbing Gear Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 11:35:58 _0500 I went to see Mike Vlahos to get some new Gerbing gear. He's a good guy and is willing to cut some deals on stuff _ especially some older stuff. He has a reasonable selection at his home in Mt Airy and will order whatever you need that he doesn't have. If you're thinking about staying warm this winter, give this man a call and he'll do right by you. Mike Vlahos 5310 Pommel Dr MOUNT AIRY, MD 21771 301_829_0452 or mgvlahos@XXXXXX. As always, I have no financial interest in this, blah, blah, blah. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 2 11:14:59 2002 Subject: RE: RE: First Moto Accident of 2002 From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 11:14:58 -0500 To: "broberso@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" My general rule is to always file a claim when someone hits your vehicle (motorcycle or car), regardless of whether you think any damage occurred or you got hurt. Case in point. Last week, my wife was out shopping and after parking our car (Izusu Trooper) and opening her door to get out, a lady (with a cell phone) zipped into the space next to here and hit the door. Of course, the lady claimed it was my wife's fault. But clearly this lady wasn't paying any attention (and both her insurance company and our insurance company agreed that it was her fault). Sliced her bumper pretty good. No real damage to our door or car. Filed a claim with her insurance company anyway. Took it to their claims department over the weekend. They inspected our car. No structural damage to the frame, door, etc. Some barely visible cosmetic damage. Nonetheless, they wrote us check right there on the spot for the estimated cost of the repair work (in excess of $300). New Year's bonus! Plus the lady gets hit with an "at ault" claim with her insurance company (and the potential for increased premium). Never leave money on the table. Chuck Original Message: ----------------- From: ROBERSON, Brian broberso@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 11:00:50 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: First Moto Accident of 2002 As a former State Farm employee (years ago) I know that insurance companies don't take kindly to their policy holders hitting motorcyclists... Its got liability and sue written all over it. I would also have taken her insurance and filed a claim.. Gone to the doctor and made sure all was OK. Chances are they would have (eventually) offered a settlement... Brian 99 VFR, 81 CB750F -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 2 11:41:12 2002 From: RichH@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: RE: First Moto Accident of 2002 Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 11:40:25 -0500 It's been my experience that whenever I file a claim with the insurance companies whether it's my fault or not it counts against me. -----Original Message----- From: cvkgpena@XXXXXX [mailto:cvkgpena@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 11:15 AM To: broberso@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: RE: First Moto Accident of 2002 My general rule is to always file a claim when someone hits your vehicle (motorcycle or car), regardless of whether you think any damage occurred or you got hurt. Case in point. Last week, my wife was out shopping and after parking our car (Izusu Trooper) and opening her door to get out, a lady (with a cell phone) zipped into the space next to here and hit the door. Of course, the lady claimed it was my wife's fault. But clearly this lady wasn't paying any attention (and both her insurance company and our insurance company agreed that it was her fault). Sliced her bumper pretty good. No real damage to our door or car. Filed a claim with her insurance company anyway. Took it to their claims department over the weekend. They inspected our car. No structural damage to the frame, door, etc. Some barely visible cosmetic damage. Nonetheless, they wrote us check right there on the spot for the estimated cost of the repair work (in excess of $300). New Year's bonus! Plus the lady gets hit with an "at fault" claim with her insurance company (and the potential for increased premium). Never leave money on the table. Chuck Original Message: ----------------- From: ROBERSON, Brian broberso@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 11:00:50 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: First Moto Accident of 2002 As a former State Farm employee (years ago) I know that insurance companies don't take kindly to their policy holders hitting motorcyclists... Its got liability and sue written all over it. I would also have taken her insurance and filed a claim.. Gone to the doctor and made sure all was OK. Chances are they would have (eventually) offered a settlement... Brian 99 VFR, 81 CB750F From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 2 11:48:24 2002 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Custer, Carl" , "'DCCycles'" Subject: Re: Art of the motorcycle Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 11:31:06 -0500 Amen to the Gerbing recommendation. I picked up socks at the NYC bike show last weekend to go with the rest of my Gerbing rig. Nice and toasty all the way to work today, including my detour to the DC inspection station to get the "new" Interceptor inspected. No lines at 8:30 this morning. Need to work on the 20-foot-long retractable umbilicus so I can stay warm while pumping gas, etc. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F (garage queen) - 86 VF500F (commuter/winter beater bike) www.wilsonline.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Custer, Carl" > > "I just wish it wasn't so damn cold when I got back. Seeing the exhibit > makes we want to get on my bike and ride. > Keith" > Roads are dry; Polartec is on sale; . . . also see Gerbing source below: > FWIW, when the temperature drops below 25 F, I leave the battery hooked to > the BatteryTender overnight for a sure start. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 2 11:48:26 2002 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc-cycles list" Subject: Re: Lane splitting Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 11:50:30 -0500 I think they can nail you for something vague and catch all like "improper lane use" in DC if a cop takes umbrage at your MC antics. You're right, though, unlike our state/commonwealth neighbors the D. of C. has no explicit ban on lane-sharing. I wouldn't make to much noise about the statute, though, it could backfire as the same "get tough on traffic scofflaws" folks on the Council that brought you speed cameras might think they need to correct that little anomaly in the DC Code. Lane splitting and filtering is largely tolerated by custom, if not by statute. I'd rather leave well enough alone. Funny, you never hear motorcycles promoted as congestion mitigation tools. Instead you hear about expensive transit schemes and new highways. Their small size, excellent acceleration and nimble handling makes most bikes very good urban vehicles. Instead we are sometimes the objects of pity, as if we're too poor to afford a car. "Honey, I hope you have a car too and aren't going to ride that thing all winter." < > (This was brought up in years past, but not indulge me > again, if you will.) > > Out of curiousity, I spent some time going through the > traffic law section of the DC code over the holidays. > Interestingly, unlike VA and MD, there doesn't appear > to be any explicit prohibition on sharing a lane/lane > splitting. (I've been told that this is the case in > CA too . . . there is no prohibition on lane > splitting, ergo, it is allowed). > > Has anyone received a ticket for lane-splitting in DC? > Do you remember what you were charged with? Has > anyone been pulled for lane-splitting and NOT received > a ticket? > > Thanks > > [My project this year is to try to get lane-splitting > legitimized in DC (since we now rank up there with CA > for traffic congestion). Anyone who wants to help, > let me know.] From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 2 12:21:48 2002 Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 09:21:45 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: First Moto Accident of 2002 To: "ROBERSON, Brian" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" from the facts he has recited, there was no personal injury and no property damage. what other type of claim(s) would you and chuck be thinking of making? --- "ROBERSON, Brian" wrote: > As a former State Farm employee (years ago) I know that > insurance companies > don't take kindly to their policy holders hitting > motorcyclists... Its got > liability and sue written all over it. I would also have > taken her > insurance and filed a claim.. Gone to the doctor and made > sure all was OK. > Chances are they would have (eventually) offered a > settlement... > > Brian > 99 VFR, 81 CB750F > > -----Original Message----- > From: cvkgpena@XXXXXX > [mailto:cvkgpena@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 9:41 AM > To: nomad98@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: First Moto Accident of 2002 > > > Herb, > > First of all, glad to hear you and your VFR are OK. Uh, > how fast was she > going when she made contact with you? You are really > lucky. And the cop > didn't seem too concerned that a car had made physical > contact with a > motorcycle? Nice guy. I would've gotten her insurance > info and made an > injury claim against her. If nothing else, maybe her > insurance company > would hike up her premium. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 2 12:27:00 2002 Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 09:26:58 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Lane splitting To: Aaron , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Aaron wrote: > [My project this year is to try to get lane-splitting > legitimized in DC (since we now rank up there with CA > for traffic congestion). Anyone who wants to help, > let me know.] sounds to me like it's already legitimized by its absence from teh code. my bet is that you'll likely end up feeding the idea to the legislature to add a provision BANNING it rather than PERMITTING it. i've never been cited in dc for splitting (and i worked for a while as a m/c courier, splitting nonstop). -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 2 12:37:23 2002 From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'Paul Wilson'" , "'DCCycles'" Subject: retractable umbilicus Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 12:40:14 -0500 Paul posted, "Amen to the Gerbing recommendation. . . . Need to > work on the 20-foot-long retractable umbilicus so I can stay warm while > pumping gas, etc. [Custer, Carl] Someone, somewhere posted a source for curly wire but IIRC, it was pricey, only available in >100 foot lengths, or both. I wrapped some 16 AWG speaker wire (clear plastic insulator) around a mandrel (broom stick) and heated it in the oven at ~225 F to make my own curly wire. It showed promise but lost it's curl. Needed more heat or sumptin'. Carl in Brrr-thesda From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 2 12:44:01 2002 Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 09:44:00 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Weaver Subject: RE: First Moto Accident of 2002 To: Tom Gimer , "ROBERSON, Brian" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" A sore ankle indicates personal injury. Chris Weaver --- Tom Gimer wrote: > from the facts he has recited, there was no personal > injury > and no property damage. what other type of claim(s) > would > you and chuck be thinking of making? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 2 12:46:33 2002 Subject: RE: RE: First Moto Accident of 2002 From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 12:46:32 -0500 To: "t_gimer@XXXXXX" , "broberso@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Tom, I thought Herb said she actually made contact with him. Her bumper hitting his ankle. I'm just saying I'd have gone to a doctor to make sure there wasn't a serious injury and to create a paper trail should something surface that could be related to the incident at a later date. A visit to a doctor might, in fact, reveal an injury that could not be self-diagnosed by a non-medical person (i.e., Herb). Just seems like the prudent thing to do. Chuck Original Message: ----------------- From: Tom Gimer t_gimer@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 09:21:45 -0800 (PST) To: broberso@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: First Moto Accident of 2002 from the facts he has recited, there was no personal injury and no property damage. what other type of claim(s) would you and chuck be thinking of making? --- "ROBERSON, Brian" wrote: > As a former State Farm employee (years ago) I know that > insurance companies > don't take kindly to their policy holders hitting > motorcyclists... Its got > liability and sue written all over it. I would also have > taken her > insurance and filed a claim.. Gone to the doctor and made > sure all was OK. > Chances are they would have (eventually) offered a > settlement... > > Brian > 99 VFR, 81 CB750F > > -----Original Message----- > From: cvkgpena@XXXXXX > [mailto:cvkgpena@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 9:41 AM > To: nomad98@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: First Moto Accident of 2002 > > > Herb, > > First of all, glad to hear you and your VFR are OK. Uh, > how fast was she > going when she made contact with you? You are really > lucky. And the cop > didn't seem too concerned that a car had made physical > contact with a > motorcycle? Nice guy. I would've gotten her insurance > info and made an > injury claim against her. If nothing else, maybe her > insurance company > would hike up her premium. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 2 12:48:19 2002 Subject: RE: RE: RE: First Moto Accident of 2002 From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 12:48:18 -0500 To: "richh@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Rich, I understand how if you file a claim with your insurance company and they have to pay out, it could count against you (even if you're not at fault). But I don't understand how getting someone else's insurance to pay for something that was someone else's fault could count against you??? Chuck Original Message: ----------------- From: RichH@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 11:40:25 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: RE: First Moto Accident of 2002 It's been my experience that whenever I file a claim with the insurance companies whether it's my fault or not it counts against me. -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 2 12:56:31 2002 Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 09:56:30 -0800 (PST) From: Aaron Subject: Re: Lane splitting To: Tom Gimer , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Well, that's exactly why I asked whether anyone had ever been cited/stopped for splitting in DC. As I've learned from wrenching on my bike, it's not worth trying to fix a problem that doesn't exist. --- Tom Gimer wrote: > --- Aaron wrote: > > [My project this year is to try to get > lane-splitting > > legitimized in DC (since we now rank up there with > CA > > for traffic congestion). Anyone who wants to > help, > > let me know.] > > sounds to me like it's already legitimized by its > absence > from teh code. my bet is that you'll likely end up > feeding > the idea to the legislature to add a provision > BANNING it > rather than PERMITTING it. > > i've never been cited in dc for splitting (and i > worked for > a while as a m/c courier, splitting nonstop). > > > > -- > tg > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send your FREE holiday greetings online! > http://greetings.yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 2 13:05:27 2002 Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 10:05:25 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: First Moto Accident of 2002 To: Chris Weaver , "ROBERSON, Brian" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" i just noticed his sig file indicates a sore ankle. my fault. there was very limited personal injury. my LAYMAN'S opinion as to settlement value: next to nothing. maybe they'd throw a couple hundred bucks at you just to go away. who knows? would i do anything about it? no. but that's just me (and, from the sound of it, the original poster/victim as well). we certainly have had plenty of potential clients who truly believe they're entitled to million$ for shit that a jury will be far from amused that they are missing work for it. no lawyer would touch this one, imo. good luck. --- Chris Weaver wrote: > A sore ankle indicates personal injury. > > Chris Weaver > > > --- Tom Gimer wrote: > > from the facts he has recited, there was no personal > > injury > > and no property damage. what other type of claim(s) > > would > > you and chuck be thinking of making? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 2 13:08:40 2002 From: "Ricardo Pontes" To: "Dccycles" Subject: RE: Lane splitting Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 13:08:31 -0500 Lane Splitting is the best advantage motorcylists have in their portfolio. I have never gotten a ticket, i have splitted in front of dc cops many times, i try to be polite, i dont let my revs get too high, keep the noise down, signal when i want to get in the lane and its always fine. Same thing in Maryland and Virginia suburbs, no tickets for lane splitting even thou police is present. Only problem with MD and VA, are the people driving who DO get very upset and try to block your way, spit on your, hit you, open doors. But its a small thing :) (This was brought up in years past, but not indulge me again, if you will.) Out of curiousity, I spent some time going through the traffic law section of the DC code over the holidays. Interestingly, unlike VA and MD, there doesn't appear to be any explicit prohibition on sharing a lane/lane splitting. (I've been told that this is the case in CA too . . . there is no prohibition on lane splitting, ergo, it is allowed). Has anyone received a ticket for lane-splitting in DC? Do you remember what you were charged with? Has anyone been pulled for lane-splitting and NOT received a ticket? Thanks [My project this year is to try to get lane-splitting legitimized in DC (since we now rank up there with CA for traffic congestion). Anyone who wants to help, let me know.] __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 2 13:20:41 2002 Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 13:19:58 -0500 From: "Chris Norloff" To: "richh@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: RE: RE: First Moto Accident of 2002 ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" >I understand how if you file a claim with your insurance company and they have to pay out, it could count against you (even if you're not at fault). But I don't understand how getting someone else's insurance to pay for something that was someone else's fault could count against you??? > I don't know about the insurance companies, but with the DMV if your vehicle is moving it goes on your record. At least that's how I got royally screwed years ago. A guy pulls in front of me; even with maximum braking I hit him (in the van, nowhere to go). He tells the officer I was 75 ft. away and going 50 mph when he pulled in front of me and stopped. Turns out he had no insurance, and his career was car thief. He was known by name to the police. He then skipped town after agreeing to pay for the damage to my vehicle. He finally paid when I sued him. And after all that, our drivers records with the DMV read the same: "driver/owner of vehicle that had property damage done to it" Whew! Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 2 13:46:49 2002 Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 10:46:44 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Garage space To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX e-z storage, located off of westbard in bethesda, md has space that MAY work for the group garage idea. it is indoor space (i.e., you ride up to the door, then dismount and walk the bike into the unit) that is 10' x 30' and the price is $410 per month. yes, 300 square feet would be pretty tight, but i think i could live with it. they may also have a 14 foot-wide unit. i will visit and see. i figure we could easily fit four motorcycles plus tools in there. possibly more if a couple bikes were simply there for storage and against the back wall. is anybody interested in doing this? if so, when? (i'll check my saved messages to determine who was interested a few months ago.) i'd like to be in some type of space by march or so, and possibly earlier. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 2 13:59:04 2002 Subject: RE: RE: RE: RE: First Moto Accident of 2002 From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 13:59:03 -0500 To: "cnorloff@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" This is why IMHO it's important to have a good insurance company and agent (note that lowest-cost does not always equal good, but I am fortunate in having both). My wife's DMV record shows a moving violation (failure to stop at a stop sign) on her driving record. Except that she was on her bicycle, not driving her car. And on the bike trail. Didn't stop at a stop sign where the bike trail used to cut across the exit from Natl Airport onto the GW Parkway. Since the Park Police have nothing better to do, a car gave chase and then blocked her on the bike trail! No, I'm not making this up! Anyway, when it came time for insurance renewal our agent called about the ticket because it would have affected our premium. When I explained everything to him, the insurance company decided that since they weren't insuring our bicycles or bicycle riding it shouldn't affect our car insurance. Original Message: ----------------- From: Chris Norloff cnorloff@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 13:19:58 -0500 To: richh@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: RE: RE: First Moto Accident of 2002 I don't know about the insurance companies, but with the DMV if your vehicle is moving it goes on your record. At least that's how I got royally screwed years ago. -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 2 15:27:47 2002 From: "Paul Wilson" To: Cc: "dc-cycles list" Subject: Re: RE: RE: RE: First Moto Accident of 2002 Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 15:30:35 -0500 Since you don't have to have a license to ride a bicycle, how did the DMV even find out about this? One could simply refuse to produce a license, just state your name, etc., it seems to me. Heck, I usually don't even *carry* a DL when I'm on a bicycle and indeed, I will make a point of *not* carrying one after this story. I wear metal dog tags with my name and emergency contact info. From a civil liberties standpoint I would say that if I'm operating a motor vehicle I cannot be compelled to produce a DL. We're well down the slippery slope where driver's licenses are becoming de facto national ID cards. Paul in DC ----- Original Message ----- From: This is why IMHO it's important to have a good insurance company and agent (note that lowest-cost does not always equal good, but I am fortunate in having both). My wife's DMV record shows a moving violation (failure to stop at a stop sign) on her driving record. Except that she was on her bicycle, not driving her car. And on the bike trail. Didn't stop at a stop sign where the bike trail used to cut across the exit from Natl Airport onto the GW Parkway. Since the Park Police have nothing better to do, a car gave chase and then blocked her on the bike trail! No, I'm not making this up! Anyway, when it came time for insurance renewal our agent called about the ticket because it would have affected our premium. When I explained everything to him, the insurance company decided that since they weren't insuring our bicycles or bicycle riding it shouldn't affect our car insurance. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 2 15:37:06 2002 Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 15:35:57 -0500 From: "Robert Beatty" To: , Cc: Subject: RE: RE: RE: RE: First Moto Accident of 2002 Are you saying that my four year old can receive a ticket on her bike now....? -----Original Message----- From: "Paul Wilson" Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 3:31 PM To: Cc: "dc-cycles list" Subject: Re: RE: RE: RE: First Moto Accident of 2002 Since you don't have to have a license to ride a bicycle, how did the DMV even find out about this? One could simply refuse to produce a license, just state your name, etc., it seems to me. Heck, I usually don't even *carry* a DL when I'm on a bicycle and indeed, I will make a point of *not* carrying one after this story. I wear metal dog tags with my name and emergency contact info. From a civil liberties standpoint I would say that if I'm operating a motor vehicle I cannot be compelled to produce a DL. We're well down the slippery slope where driver's licenses are becoming de facto national ID cards. Paul in DC Original Message From: This is why IMHO it's important to have a good insurance company and agent (note that lowest cost does not always equal good, but I am fortunate in having both). My wife's DMV record shows a moving violation (failure to stop at a stop sign) on her driving record. Except that she was on her bicycle, not driving her car. And on the bike trail. Didn't stop at a stop sign where the bike trail used to cut across the exit from Natl Airport onto the GW Parkway. Since the Park Police have nothing better to do, a car gave chase and then blocked her on the bike trail! No, I'm not making this up! Anyway, when it came time for insurance renewal our agent called about the ticket because it would have affected our premium. When I explained everything to him, the insurance company decided that since they weren't insuring our bicycles or bicycle riding it shouldn't affect our car insurance. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 2 16:03:57 2002 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Robert Beatty" Cc: Subject: Re: RE: RE: RE: First Moto Accident of 2002 Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 16:07:05 -0500 Theoretically, yes. And you can be ticketed and fined in some places if she doesn't wear a helmet. Bicycles are subject to all traffic laws and must obey stop signs and traffic lights. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Beatty" Are you saying that my four year old can receive a ticket on her bike now....? -----Original Message----- From: "Paul Wilson" Since you don't have to have a license to ride a bicycle, how did the DMV even find out about this? From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 2 16:22:42 2002 Subject: RE: Re: RE: RE: RE: First Moto Accident of 2002 From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 16:22:43 -0500 To: "pawilson@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Because my wife was issued a traffic citation and her drivers license appears on the citation. Yes, it's totally f---ed up! There is no requirement to carry a drivers license for operating a car (or moto) when you're riding your bike. And remember, she was dealing the PARK POLICE who have jurisdiction over the bicycle trails. Just another example of idiot law enforcement and system. Original Message: ----------------- From: Paul Wilson pawilson@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 15:30:35 -0500 To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: RE: RE: RE: First Moto Accident of 2002 Since you don't have to have a license to ride a bicycle, how did the DMV even find out about this? One could simply refuse to produce a license, just state your name, etc., it seems to me. Heck, I usually don't even *carry* a DL when I'm on a bicycle and indeed, I will make a point of *not* carrying one after this story. I wear metal dog tags with my name and emergency contact info. From a civil liberties standpoint I would say that if I'm operating a motor vehicle I cannot be compelled to produce a DL. We're well down the slippery slope where driver's licenses are becoming de facto national ID cards. -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 2 16:48:56 2002 Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 13:19:03 -0600 From: "George Cole" To: , , Subject: RE: RE: RE: RE: First Moto Accident of 2002 >>> "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Wrote SNIP <(failure to stop at a stop sign) on her driving record. Except that she was on her bicycle, not driving her car> A moving violation for a bicycle? Didn't think that was possible. I used to ride my bicycle all over that area never once stopped for a stop sign. George Cole From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 2 17:30:27 2002 From: "Noel Auger" To: "Nomad" , , Subject: Re: French "premiere" (was : First Moto Accident of 2002) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 23:14:14 +0100 Hi listers, Hereinafter is a quick translation of a post from a member of the french VFR list : Quote : "I can't believe it. I had just bought a new '02 red VFR, with ABS, from Guignabodet. (Note : Guignabodet is one of the first french Honda dealers, BTW makers of the well known MIG exhausts ...) Pure satisfaction, so much I was pleased with this bike. Then the drama : a cager (she was talking in her cell phone) misses a signal, and cuts my way. I couldn't do anything. No time left to brake, I hit her at about 30 mph, and flew above the car. Some bruises for me, but ... the bike is totalled ! I had it for 2 days, and there was 120 kilometers on the odo !!! I've been riding for 26 years, and thought I had "passed" this kind of thing ... " End quote BTW, this guy was proud to be the first member of the french "VFR-Club de France" to own a '02 VFR. No more VFR willm be available before Feb. '02 ... BEWARE of phones in cages !!! NoM-kl in France ----- Message d'origine ----- De : "Nomad" M-@ : ; EnvoyM-i : mercredi 2 janvier 2002 04:20 Objet : First Moto Accident of 2002 > Hi all- > > This afternoon I decided to take the VFR out for a short run having > missed the local "polar bear" rides due to a late New Year's Eve > party but wanting to start the year out right and charge up the > battery. Dispite the 30 degree temps, the sun was out and the roads > were clear. What's not to like. > > As I headed down the George Washington Parkway just past the National > Airport exit I spotted a Park Police cruiser blocking the upcoming > left lane. He was apparently helping out a stalled car. The traffic > in front of me merged into the right lane and I followed. Just as I > was approaching the cruiser, I spotted through my mirror a car > approaching in the left lane at a high rate of speed. A girl in a > silver integra was headed straight for the cruiser. She finally > reacts and hits the brakes hard and vears right towards me to avoid > the cruiser. I hit the throttle and vear right a couple of feet as > she hits my left ankle/left peg with her bumper. I lurched forward a > few feet but managed to avoid the car in front of me and keep the > bike upright. No other injury to me or the bike. I was very lucky. > > She pulls over, gets out of the car and proceeds to act anoid that I > have inconvenienced her. She offers to call an ambulance but I > decline. The cop looks over but stays with the stalled car. > > So...I've had my accident quota for the '02 year. ;~) > Be careful out there...somethings don't change. > > Herb (w/bruised ankle) > '99 VFR > Arlington, VA > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send your FREE holiday greetings online! > http://greetings.yahoo.com > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > The VF/VFR mailing list--see http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~john/vfr-list/ > for subscribe/unsubscribe, policy and archive information. > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 2 17:51:22 2002 Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 14:51:18 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Lane splitting To: Aaron , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Aaron wrote: > Well, that's exactly why I asked whether anyone had > ever been cited/stopped for splitting in DC. As I've > learned from wrenching on my bike, it's not worth > trying to fix a problem that doesn't exist. it was clear from your post that your goal/project was to have it "legitimized." to me that meant that you intended to get involved with legislation. i don't know of any other way.... i do actually know one person on this list who dc police ATTEMPTED to stop for lane-splitting.... so technically it could be a problem. i for one hope this was just an isolated incident of law enforcement in the district. > --- Tom Gimer wrote: > > --- Aaron wrote: > > > [My project this year is to try to get > > > lane-splitting legitimized in DC (since we now rank > > > up there with CA for traffic congestion). Anyone who > > > wants to help, let me know.] > > > > sounds to me like it's already legitimized by its > > absence from teh code. my bet is that you'll likely > > end up feeding the idea to the legislature to add a > > provision BANNING it rather than PERMITTING it. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 2 17:54:12 2002 Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 17:52:27 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" To: Tom Gimer CC: "ROBERSON, Brian" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: First Moto Accident of 2002 Tom Gimer wrote: > from the facts he has recited, there was no personal injury > and no property damage. what other type of claim(s) would > you and chuck be thinking of making? Obnoxious bitch scared the crap outta me claim! Causing a high degreee of stress, sleepness nights, and the inability to get it on! Suppy a note from a doc, a shrink, and the Dear John letter form the unsatisfied gf and sue for zillions! It's the `Murican way... Bill From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 2 18:07:07 2002 Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 15:07:02 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: First Moto Accident of 2002 To: "William J. Huson" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- "William J. Huson" wrote: > > > Tom Gimer wrote: > > > from the facts he has recited, there was no personal > injury > > and no property damage. what other type of claim(s) > would > > you and chuck be thinking of making? > > Obnoxious bitch scared the crap outta me claim! Causing > a high degreee > of stress, sleepness nights, and the inability to get it > on! Suppy a > note from a doc, a shrink, and the Dear John letter form > the unsatisfied > gf and sue for zillions! otherwise known as "negligent infliction of emotional distress" > It's the `Murican way... that's the truth! pitiful, but true.... -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 2 18:07:42 2002 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "George Cole" , "dc-cycles list" Subject: Re: RE: RE: RE: First Moto Accident of 2002 Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 17:26:14 -0500 Given the general lawlessness of DC bicyclists you'd never know that bicycles on the public rights-of-way are subject to the same traffic laws. But it's true. Personally, I think it would be great idea if some libertarian minded state (NH might be a good candidate) would pass legislation restricting the use of its DLs to simply demonstrating fitness to operate a motor vehicle. All it would take is one to adopt such a rule to throw the monkey wrench into the works. That way I wouldn't be compelled to show a document that merely licenses me to operate a motor vehicle to every airline ticket clerk, merchant, bag checker and LEO who wants to use it, inappropriately, as a means of identification. That would force the feds to either institute national IDs (to howls of protest) or stop using the back door approach of state IDs and driver's licenses. Perhaps we should propose requiring identification documents for internal travel and daily use, whether on foot, by car, airplane, train, etc. and have a real debate about the authoritarianism inherent in such a move. Paul in DC ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Cole" >>> "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Wrote SNIP <(failure to stop at a stop sign) on her driving record. Except that she was on her bicycle, not driving her car> A moving violation for a bicycle? Didn't think that was possible. I used to ride my bicycle all over that area never once stopped for a stop sign. George Cole From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 3 09:34:49 2002 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 09:34:21 EST Subject: Re: First Moto Accident of 2002 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 1/2/2002 10:49:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, pawilson@XXXXXX writes: > Personally, I think it would be great idea if some libertarian minded state > (NH might be a good candidate) would pass legislation restricting the use of > its DLs to simply demonstrating fitness to operate a motor vehicle. Sorry would not work. I just lost (stolen) my first Social Security card last year, it clearly said "Not for identification purposes." Whatever happened to that? John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European is now necessary {and I still like it.}) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 3 11:44:41 2002 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc-cycles list" Subject: DC bike plates Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 11:38:13 -0500 I picked up new plates for the Interceptor today. The new DC bike plates are even uglier than their predecessors. Flat reflective metal--no more embossed letters and numbers--black and white and, of course, no place to put the required three stickers (month, year and inspection) that go on them without obscuring some part of the lettering. Since the demise of the Lorton License Plate Academy and Prison, they must have contracted them out to the lowest bidder. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 3 12:36:10 2002 Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 12:29:48 -0500 From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Subject: RE: DC plates Paul lamented - I picked up new plates for the Interceptor today. The new DC bike plates are even uglier than their predecessors. Flat reflective metal--no more embossed letters and numbers--black and white and, of course, no place to put the required three stickers (month, year and inspection) that go on them without obscuring some part of the lettering. We should all be OUTRAGED ! Since all of our federal income taxes are usurped by the likes of Hizzoner Tony Williams and all the other DC Gov't high muckety mucks... The LEAST they can do, is provide decent plates for OUR hard earned, and taken without our consent money... Not that I'm bitter or anything... Since the demise of the Lorton License Plate Academy and Prison, they must have contracted them out to the lowest bidder. can you get the special edition 'DC: We just want your money' plates? I was email corresponding with Congressman Armey's office to have them create this special edition license plate, which has a back ground reflective image of a radar gun & a cop with his hand held out, palm up (asking for your money). ;-) seriously, you'd better ask exactly how to put the stickers on, no sense giving them an excuse to pull you over & ticket you... Dave -- Pop3Now Personal, Get quick remote access to your email accounts! Sign Up Now! Visit http://www.pop3now.com/personal From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 3 13:05:12 2002 From: "Lantech (DCOP)" To: "'Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: RE: DC plates Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 13:03:49 -0500 As much as I love DC, the DMV needs a little help. On my last 2 bike-related visits: -Returned the single MC tag for a bike I sold. Had a lot of fun explaining that, since it was a motorcycle, it only had one tag in the first place. They *really* wanted me to return both the tags and wouldn't sign the tag-return form until the supervisor cleared it up. -Got issued car tags (2 of them) for the bike. Had a lot of fun clearing that one up! -They didn't have a KBB when I needed to transfer title from an out-of-state owner. They wanted to use the blue book value for a Honda Car to tax my Yamaha Motorcycle. I didn't get it, either. I mean, I could make the leap if they were BOTH Hondas, but ????? Woks come from Japan, too, so why not just tax me on a nice little wok? -And how about that DC Inspection??? OK, so I can take advantage of the fact that, basically, if the bike is not on fire, it passes. But the last 3 times I have been there, it's always been a scramble to find someone to do the inspection. You basically pull in, honk the horn, turn on the signals, and you're done. But you still gotta wait in the major-long line, then wait an extra 15 minutes for the MC guy to get there, and it's a 20-second inspection that doesn't check anything that doesn't need me to work (just because my signals work does not mean I am going to use them!). But all the DMV's are screwed up. VA revoked my license and issued a bench warrant for me after I failed to respond to one of those in-the-mail prove-you-had-insurance-on-blah-blah-date checkups. Which was issued about 6 years after I left the Commonwealth, about 5 1/2 years after I no longer had a VA license, and way way after the Post Office stopped forwarding my mail. I was driving around, no license and a bench warrant, for something like 2 years. Never knew it. Took them almost 6 months to fix it, too, once I found out. Good thing I am a good sport... <<>> I feel better now! -patti Patti the Lantech '95 Virago 750 From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 3 13:38:29 2002 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "'Dc-Cycles \(E-mail\)" Subject: Re: DC plates Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 13:42:19 -0500 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lantech (DCOP)" > > As much as I love DC, the DMV needs a little help. On my last 2 bike-related > visits: > > -Returned the single MC tag for a bike I sold. Had a lot of fun explaining > that, since it was a motorcycle, it only had one tag in the first place. > They *really* wanted me to return both the tags and wouldn't sign the > tag-return form until the supervisor cleared it up. Yeah, today they gave me pairs of stickers, as if I had two plates. > > -Got issued car tags (2 of them) for the bike. Had a lot of fun clearing > that one up! > > -They didn't have a KBB when I needed to transfer title from an out-of-state > owner. They wanted to use the blue book value for a Honda Car to tax my > Yamaha Motorcycle. I didn't get it, either. I mean, I could make the leap > if they were BOTH Hondas, but ????? Woks come from Japan, too, so why not > just tax me on a nice little wok? Depends on how diligent the window clerk is and how long it's been since break time. Sometimes they just ask what you paid, sometimes they look it up. It's hit or miss. Today, she asked what I paid, so you can decide how *ahem* truthful you want to be. On my rat bike, the tax was miniscule. Basically they have no clue about bike models and a lot of titles don't reference the model designation and they sure don't work backwards from the VIN. > > -And how about that DC Inspection??? OK, so I can take advantage of the fact > that, basically, if the bike is not on fire, it passes. But the last 3 > times I have been there, it's always been a scramble to find someone to do > the inspection. You basically pull in, honk the horn, turn on the signals, > and you're done. But you still gotta wait in the major-long line, then wait > an extra 15 minutes for the MC guy to get there, and it's a 20-second > inspection that doesn't check anything that doesn't need me to work (just > because my signals work does not mean I am going to use them!). Not on fire or leaving a four-inch wide oil slick in your wake. Anyway, I've never had problems with waiting for bike inspections. Cage is another story. I usually get waved up to the front of the line and I'm outta there. Yesterday when I went (bikes need to be inspected *before* you get tags unlike cars) they actually checked my brakes. That was a first. I've not had to wait the times I've gone for bike inspection. About 8:30 or 9 in the morning seems to be the magic time. There was *no* line yesterday at 8:30. Paul in DC 95 VFR - 86 VF500F From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 3 17:16:37 2002 Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 17:16:24 -0500 From: Mike Jay To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: oh speaking fo tickets This URL is interesting: http://dccode.westgroup.com/search/default.wl?DB=DC-ST-WEB&RS=WLW2.07&VR=1.0 Natural Language Description: traffic code reckless definition The excerpt below is part of what I got back my browser frame: M-' 50-2201.04. Speeding and reckless driving. (b) Any person who drives any vehicle upon a highway carelessly and heedlessly in willful or wanton disregard of the rights or safety of others, or without due caution and circumspection and at a speed or in a manner so as to endanger or be likely to endanger any person or property, shall be guilty of reckless driving. Regards, mike zn700a2 "William J. Huson" wrote: > > daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > > My question for you is.. who do you endanger when you wheelie? > > > > Danny > > > > Yourself, and anyone within striking distance when you shithouse. Not to mention > those behind you who now have the problem of dodging a crunching bike and a > splatting rider. > > Bill From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 3 18:55:02 2002 From: "mobacc" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: MSF advanced Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 16:17:05 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0047_01C19472.15E50E00 Along with the annual riding rampups of longer days, higher temps and = DST, MSF advanced got scheduled. Noteworthy in the chat with the = (probably temp) signer-upper -- Noteworthy #1 She --"May I have your SocSec number, please" Me -- "Hmmm, I do not like to give that out unless absolutely necessary = these days. I've been through this in the past with MSF. Hasn't there = been some relief yet? (pleading tone of voice). =20 S -- "Just a second, I'll check" 20sec S -- OK, we'll assign you a student ID. It'll come on your confirmation = a couple of weeks before class. =20 M -- Very large smile. "Thank you and your organization for fixing = this" Noteworthy #2 S-- You'll be required to pay for parking. M -- Huh? S -- yes. We used to send out passes but this year everyone pays for = parking. Bring quarters for meters. =20 M -- On Sunday? For the 4 class hours? While all that pavement sits. =20 S -- yes, sorry. (Patient explanation about costs.). =20 M -- OK. Will be interested in how this plays out. =20 MSF Advanced at NVCC Loudoun. 8-5 Sundays beginning late April. = $60 +parking! 703 450 2551 to register. =20 Bill S. / DC '99 VN750 II --> Hey boss. I've been to Hogwarts. Can disappear. No = parking! Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. ------=_NextPart_000_0047_01C19472.15E50E00
Along with the annual riding rampups of longer = days,=20 higher temps and DST, MSF advanced got scheduled.  Noteworthy = in the=20 chat with the (probably temp) signer-upper --
 
Noteworthy #1
She --"May I have your SocSec number, = please"
 
Me -- "Hmmm, I do not like to give that out unless = absolutely=20 necessary these days.  I've been through this in the past with = MSF. =20 Hasn't there been some relief yet?  (pleading tone of voice).  =
 
S -- "Just a second, I'll check"
 
20sec
 
S -- OK, we'll assign you a student ID.  It'll = come on=20 your confirmation a couple of weeks before class. 
 
M -- Very large smile.  "Thank you and your = organization=20 for fixing this"
 
Noteworthy #2
 
S-- You'll be required to pay for = parking.
 
M -- Huh?
 
S -- yes.  We used to send out passes but this = year=20 everyone pays for parking.  Bring quarters for meters.  =
 
M -- On Sunday?  For the 4 class hours?  = While all=20 that pavement sits. 
 
S -- yes, sorry.  (Patient explanation about=20 costs.). 
 
M -- OK.  Will be interested in how this plays = out. =20
 
 
    MSF Advanced at NVCC = Loudoun.  8-5=20 Sundays beginning late April.  $60 +parking!  703 450 2551 to=20 register. 
 
Bill S. / DC
'99 VN750 II --> Hey boss.  = I've been=20 to Hogwarts.  Can disappear.  No parking!
Join the = AMA.  Help=20 protect my riding fun.
------=_NextPart_000_0047_01C19472.15E50E00-- From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 3 19:13:13 2002 From: "mobacc" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Lanesplitting + Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 17:06:57 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0054_01C19479.0CE25E00 Have to chime in with Paul Wilson. Definitely support legislative = spearheads re l/s in Virginia and Maryland: The "leave it alone" = approach seems to make sense in DC where us lanesplitting/filtering = aliens have blended in with the street chaos. =20 Re: DC code investigations. Was there a mention (in Dr. Gridlock?) of = driverdoor opening as an obstruction being illegal in DC (remember the = associated thread here a while ago). Can the code be verified? Seems = to dovetail with lanesplitting strategies. =20 Paul mentioned "congestion mitigation tools". There are small, strong = signs of recognition: Motorcycle Consumer News 10/01 -- "The mayor of = London has unveiled a radical plan to ease traffic congestion . . .. = Starting in 2003, anyone driving a car into the city limits of London = will have to pay a toll booth "congestion charge" of 5 pounds {abt = $7.50} per day. However, the charge will *not apply to motorcyclists*." = [MCN emphasis] And it was noted somplace that during much of the traffic banning = around Ground Zero in NYC, *only motorcycles* were let in. =20 Little grins become smiles become . . .. Bill S. / DC '99 VN750 II --> Fat free gas is how I stay lanesplittingly skinny Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 07:39:42 -0800 (PST) From: Aaron Subject: Lane splitting To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (This was brought up in years past, but not indulge me again, if you will.) Out of curiousity, I spent some time going through the traffic law section of the DC code over the holidays. Interestingly, unlike VA and MD, there doesn't appear to be any explicit prohibition on sharing a lane/lane splitting. (I've been told that this is the case in CA too . . . there is no prohibition on lane splitting, ergo, it is allowed). Has anyone received a ticket for lane-splitting in DC? Do you remember what you were charged with? Has anyone been pulled for lane-splitting and NOT received a ticket? Thanks [My project this year is to try to get lane-splitting legitimized in DC (since we now rank up there with CA for traffic congestion). Anyone who wants to help, let me know.] __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com "Paul Wilson" To: "dc-cycles list" Subject: Re: Lane splitting Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 11:50:30 -0500 I think they can nail you for something vague and catch all like = "improper lane use" in DC if a cop takes umbrage at your MC antics. You're right, though, unlike our state/commonwealth neighbors the D. of C. has no explicit ban on lane-sharing. I wouldn't = make to much noise about the statute, though, it could backfire as the same = "get tough on traffic scofflaws" folks on the Council that brought you speed cameras might think they need to correct that little anomaly in the DC Code. Lane splitting = and filtering is largely tolerated by custom, if not by statute. I'd rather leave well enough alone. Funny, you never hear motorcycles promoted as congestion mitigation = tools. Instead you hear about expensive transit schemes and new highways. = Their small size, excellent acceleration and nimble handling makes most bikes = very good urban vehicles. Instead we are sometimes the objects of pity, as = if we're too poor to afford a car. "Honey, I hope you have a car too and aren't going to ride that thing all winter." <
Have to chime in with Paul Wilson.  Definitely = support=20 legislative spearheads re l/s in Virginia and Maryland:  The "leave = it=20 alone" approach seems to make sense in DC where us = lanesplitting/filtering=20 aliens have blended in with the street chaos. 
 
Re: DC code investigations. Was there a mention = (in Dr.=20 Gridlock?) of driverdoor opening as an obstruction being illegal in DC = (remember=20 the associated thread here a while ago).  Can the code be=20 verified?  Seems to dovetail with lanesplitting strategies. =20
 
Paul mentioned "congestion mitigation = tools".  =20 There are small, strong signs of recognition:  Motorcycle Consumer = News=20 10/01 -- "The mayor of London has unveiled a radical plan to ease = traffic=20 congestion . . ..  Starting in 2003, anyone driving a car into the = city=20 limits of London will have to pay a toll booth "congestion charge" of 5 = pounds=20 {abt $7.50} per day.  However, the charge will *not apply to=20 motorcyclists*."  [MCN emphasis]
    And it was noted somplace that = during much=20 of the traffic banning around Ground Zero in NYC, *only motorcycles* = were let=20 in. 
 
Little grins become smiles become . . = ..
 
Bill S. / DC
'99 VN750 II --> Fat free gas = is how I=20 stay lanesplittingly skinny
Join the AMA.  Help protect my riding=20 fun.
 
Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 07:39:42 -0800=20 (PST)
From: Aaron <jarvis22201@XXXXXX>
Subject: = Lane=20 splitting
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX

(This = was brought=20 up in years past, but not indulge me
again, if you will.)

Out = of=20 curiousity, I spent some time going through the
traffic law section = of the DC=20 code over the holidays.
Interestingly, unlike VA and MD, there = doesn't=20 appear
to be any explicit prohibition on sharing a=20 lane/lane
splitting.  (I've been told that this is the case = in
CA too=20 . . . there is no prohibition on lane
splitting, ergo, it is=20 allowed).

Has anyone received a ticket for lane-splitting in=20 DC?
 Do you remember what you were charged with?  = Has
anyone=20 been pulled for lane-splitting and NOT received
a=20 ticket?

Thanks

[My project this year is to try to get=20 lane-splitting
legitimized in DC (since we now rank up there with = CA
for=20 traffic congestion).  Anyone who wants to help,
let me=20 know.]


__________________________________________________
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Send your FREE holiday greetings online!
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"Paul Wilson" <pawilson@XXXXXX>
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Subject: Re: Lane=20 splitting
Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 11:50:30 -0500
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I think they can nail you for something vague and = catch all=20 like "improper
lane use" in DC if a cop takes umbrage at your MC=20 antics.  You're right,
though, unlike our=20 state/commonwealth
neighbors the D. of C. has no explicit ban on=20 lane-sharing.  I wouldn't make
to much noise about the statute, = though,=20 it could backfire as the same "get
tough on traffic scofflaws" folks = on the=20 Council that brought you speed
cameras might think
they need to = correct=20 that little anomaly in the DC Code.  Lane splitting = and
filtering is=20 largely tolerated by custom, if not by statute.  I'd = rather
leave well=20 enough alone.
 
Funny, you never hear motorcycles promoted as = congestion=20 mitigation tools.
Instead you hear about expensive transit schemes = and new=20 highways.  Their
small size, excellent acceleration and nimble = handling=20 makes most bikes very
good urban vehicles.  Instead we are = sometimes the=20 objects of pity, as if
we're too poor to afford a car.  "Honey, = I hope=20 you have a car too and
aren't going to ride that thing all = winter." =20 <<Actual quote from DC DMV
clerk when I went to register the = VF500 last=20 week, decked out in full
Aerostich costume.  Little do they = suspect that=20 we're the ones having fun on
the way to work.
 
Paul in DC
95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F
www.wilsonline.org
------=_NextPart_000_0054_01C19479.0CE25E00-- From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 4 08:15:03 2002 From: "Bruhl, George LT" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Road debris Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 08:14:26 -0500 > daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > > My question for you is.. who do you endanger when you wheelie? > > > > Danny > > > > Yourself, and anyone within striking distance when you shithouse. Not to mention > those behind you who now have the problem of dodging a crunching bike and a > splatting rider. > > Bill One would think...running over a downed bike would take out the undercarriage of just about anything save a jacked up 4x4. Hell if a soft fluffy deer can total a car... imagine hitting 500 pounds of metal not to mention 100+ pounds of soft fluffy human tissue. The following is a TRUE STORY: I had a convict on a road crew throw a shovel out in front of me once.... I hit the throttle, ran over the shovel, snapped the handle and sent the broken handle back into the ditch where the "chain gang" was working. I did a sliding stop, stopped directly in front of the watch officer and trustee, raised my face shield and yelled... "that sh1t ain't funny" looking back in my rear view I noticed some dude holding his head, like he took a hit from a wooden projectile. Gunned it, spun around and made a dramatic hollywood exit.... all on a Suzuki GS750. Point.... none, just bragging. From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 4 09:55:00 2002 Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 06:54:58 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: warranty services - eg. warrantybynet To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX With the miles racking up on my Nighthawk I stumbled across www.warrantybynet.com while searching for warranty options for a car I'm in the process of buying (ford focus wagon). Has anyone used warrantybynet's services? Your opinions? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 4 10:13:32 2002 Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 10:12:31 -0500 Subject: Where can I get a battery? From: Richard Westbrook To: DC-Cycles I tried to start my bike this morning so I could bring it into work and leave it in our garage. After being out in the cold for a few weeks without starting the bike, it came as no surprise that it would start. Also, its the original battery in a 95 VFR. Where can I get a motorcycle battery in Northern VA? I'd rather not go to Coleman unless I have to, and would rather not mail order it because I would like to get this taken care of tomorrow. Thanks Rich From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 4 10:20:54 2002 Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 07:20:52 -0800 (PST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Fwd: RE: Today's AMA News To: DC-Cycles Not a good motorcycle day... These were forwarded to me by a COGger acquaintance of mine who is in the Air Force. AF had a 3d MC fatal late Dec. Stat shows "member struck PMV4 while passing in an intersection". Not sure where the "11WG" is. (11WG = Bolling) And even worse, on the AMA web page: (talk about a picture being worth 1000 words!) http://www.amadirectlink.com/releases/flcrash.asp Couple on a motorcycle killed in an accident, apparently the SUV owner never even stopped until her car caught on fire. Louis __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 4 10:50:29 2002 Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 10:48:30 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Rob Winters Subject: Re: Where can I get a battery? The last time I was in Trak Auto at Lee and Harrison, they were trying to sell out their cycle batteries: manager's special, 30% off. Not sure if it's still going on or if you'll find a match-up. Bring along some model numbers of batteries that fit, because they had no application guide there. I bought one battery from discountmotorcyclebattery.com, but it came without electrolyte, so them you have to so hunting for someone who sells that. The Trak batteries come with electrolyte. /// Rob From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 4 11:24:55 2002 Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 11:24:50 -0500 From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Subject: warranty services - eg. warrantybynet Matthew asked - ...searching for warranty options for a car I'm in the process of buying (ford focus wagon). Has anyone used warrantybynet's services? Your opinions? I have no direct experience with the company you mention Aftermarket warranty companies offer to cover repairs at typically lower prices than factory warranties. They do this by being very selective about what they cover and don't cover, and operate much like auto insurance companies... They also advertise the 'convenience' of choosing your own mechanic, and they simply pay ONLY WHEN THE REPAIR IS COMPLETE. I've been active on the SVT / Cobra / SCOA email list since' '98, and 3 of us had aftermarket warranty issues, all strikingly similar (seriously, change the names, and you'd think it was the other guy's story). mine went like this - 05/00, loud rattling coming from Cobra's motor. File claim, haul to shop (which purported to be experts in the 32valve Cobras). 3 weeks, diagnosed as bad catalytic converter, replaced (my expense as it was my pipe), but that wasn't it. Allstate, my warranty company, required a full engine tear down and positive diagnosis of the exact cause. I had to agree to pay if the repair wasn't covered. That cost $1300, took over a 2 weeks and no failed part could be identified. Ford repair records indicate that this symptom can arise from parts of the valve train, and they simply replace the motor rather than spend weeks mic'ing the parts to find the individual failure. The engine can last for 100,000 miles like this, or 100 miles depending on what's out of spec and how bad. This had no sway on Allsate, "no diagnosis, no money". after 2 more weeks, they finally identified a seized cam chain tensioner, a $55 part.. On reassembly, another problem was identified (here's where things get interesting) the car knocked & detonated terribly from 2k - 4k rpms. Allstate wouldn't pay, and the shop couldn't identify the problem. By now, the repair bill was $5000.00 plus the tear down. Finger pointing began, I convinced the shop to get a 2nd opinion rather than work on it after hours every night like they were doing. We mutually agreed on the shop, ( I actually had procured a tow truck & driver to tow the car from that shop so I could get another mechanic to work on it since the current mechanic had screwed up so bad ). The 2nd shop had a fancy dyno & data logging set up that identified the computer had been sending erroneous signals to the ignition, which were not visible to code scanners, and that it likely was electrically damaged. I finally picked up the car early December, 2000, 7 months of down time, about $7k of repairs. Did I mention that they only covered 4 days of rental car ? It was much more entertaining than the missive above, and 2 other Cobra owners have had almost identical hassles with the repairs (initial denials of coverage for anything over $800, apparently, an industry standard), only covering the part that failed, not related parts which have to be replaced, etc...) My vote - get the factory extended warranty. Dave Yates -- Pop3Now Personal, Get quick remote access to your email accounts! Sign Up Now! Visit http://www.pop3now.com/personal From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 4 11:51:31 2002 Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 11:48:09 -0500 Subject: Re: Where can I get a battery? To: rwestbrook@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "garcia oliver" Have you tried recharging it? Might work (use small-amperage charger!). If you can't find a battery in NOVA (unlikely---most places should carry it), I have one. --garcia rwestbrook@XXXXXX writes: >I tried to start my bike this morning so I could bring it into work and >leave it in our garage. After being out in the cold for a few weeks >without >starting the bike, it came as no surprise that it would start. Also, its >the >original battery in a 95 VFR. Where can I get a motorcycle battery in >Northern VA? I'd rather not go to Coleman unless I have to, and would >rather >not mail order it because I would like to get this taken care of tomorrow. From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 4 11:53:56 2002 From: "Jon Strang" To: Subject: RE: warranty services - eg. warrantybynet Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 11:52:55 -0500 Extended warranties are a 90% profit margin industry for both the factories and the aftermarket sellers. If it is worth tossing 90% of all of your extended warranty dollars down a rat hole so that you can sleep better, do so. Otherwise, take all of your potential warranty payments, for appliances, cars, bikes, etc., and toss them in your savings account. Most likely, you'll have enough in there to pay for any repairs, and you have zero hassles. Of course, there's a small likelihood that you'll be the one loser with a serious malfunction after the original warranty expires. Hopefully you manage your credit well enough to pay for it with your zero-balanced VISA. Then again, if you are so leveraged that you can't take the hit of a major repair to one of life's great toys... --jon 01 Suz Bandit 1200 From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 4 12:26:15 2002 Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 12:26:10 -0500 From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Subject: RE: warranty services Jon pointed out - Extended warranties are a 90% profit margin industry for both the factories and the aftermarket sellers. Yup. If it is worth tossing 90% of all of your extended warranty dollars down a rat hole so that you can sleep better, do so. Sometimes they pay off, it depends. I probably wouldn't do it on a Focus. I would on a tow rig. I did on my Lightning... While It was a major league PITA to get them to pay, Allstate did cough up over $5k to rebuild my Cobra motor, plus another $800 on a new dash cluster & computer. saved me about $5200.00... Of course, there's a small likelihood that you'll be the one loser with a serious malfunction after the original warranty expires. And that's what it all comes down to. ObMoto: does anyone offer motorcycle extended warranties ? Dave -- Pop3Now Personal, Get quick remote access to your email accounts! Sign Up Now! Visit http://www.pop3now.com/personal From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 4 13:53:49 2002 From: Brian Roach To: "Jon Strang" , Subject: Re: warranty services - eg. warrantybynet Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 13:53:40 -0500 Ouch... If I wasn't paying attention, I might think *I* posted that! :) - Roach P.S. -> Please accept a much belated Merry Christian-holiday-stolen-from-the-pagans-to-wipe-out-their-religion, happy new year, and all that. I haven't been keeping up with my email at ALL the last month or so. On Friday 04 January 2002 11:52, Jon Strang wrote: > Of course, there's a small likelihood that you'll be the one loser with a > serious malfunction after the original warranty expires. Hopefully you > manage your credit well enough to pay for it with your zero-balanced VISA. > > Then again, if you are so leveraged that you can't take the hit of a major > repair to one of life's great toys... > > --jon > 01 Suz Bandit 1200 From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 4 13:59:30 2002 Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 10:59:28 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: warranty services - eg. warrantybynet To: jmstrang@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Jon Strang wrote: > Extended warranties are a 90% profit margin industry for > both the factories and the aftermarket sellers. > > If it is worth tossing 90% of all of your extended > warranty dollars down a rat hole so that you can sleep > better, do so. > > Otherwise, take all of your potential warranty payments, > for appliances, cars, bikes, etc., and toss them in your > savings account. Most likely, you'll have enough in there > to pay for any repairs, and you have zero hassles.1 ^^^ you were missing a footnote: 1. ducati owners should disregard the above statement and purchase the longest factory extended warranty available -- tg > Of course, there's a small likelihood that you'll be the > one loser with a > serious malfunction after the original warranty expires. > Hopefully you > manage your credit well enough to pay for it with your > zero-balanced VISA. > > Then again, if you are so leveraged that you can't take > the hit of a major repair to one of life's great toys... > > --jon > 01 Suz Bandit 1200 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 4 14:04:57 2002 From: Brian Roach To: Tom Gimer , jmstrang@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: warranty services - eg. warrantybynet Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 14:04:51 -0500 On Friday 04 January 2002 13:59, Tom Gimer wrote: > > you were missing a footnote: > > 1. ducati owners should disregard the above statement and > purchase the longest factory extended warranty available Hey!! They're not defective.... they're just.... finicky... :) They should, however, come with a very large bag of spare bolts so you can quickly replace the ones that vibrate loose then fall off. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 4 15:01:51 2002 Subject: RE: Re: warranty services - eg. warrantybynet From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 15:01:42 -0500 To: "roach@XXXXXX" , "t_gimer@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Haven't you heard of Loctite??? %^) Original Message: ----------------- From: Brian Roach roach@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 14:04:51 -0500 To: t_gimer@XXXXXX, jmstrang@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: warranty services - eg. warrantybynet They should, however, come with a very large bag of spare bolts so you can quickly replace the ones that vibrate loose then fall off. -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 4 15:07:25 2002 Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 12:07:18 -0800 (PST) From: Trey Herb Subject: RE: Re: warranty services - eg. warrantybynet To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Loctite???? Isn't that what your bike did Tom? Trey --- "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" wrote: > Haven't you heard of Loctite??? %^) > > Original Message: > ----------------- > From: Brian Roach roach@XXXXXX > Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 14:04:51 -0500 > To: t_gimer@XXXXXX, jmstrang@XXXXXX, > dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: warranty services - eg. warrantybynet > > > > They should, however, come with a very large bag of > spare bolts so you can > quickly replace the ones that vibrate loose then > fall off. > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > http://mail2web.com/ . > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 4 15:13:49 2002 From: "rdrdr" To: Subject: RE: Where can I get a battery? Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 15:13:22 -0500 Last week I was at K-Mart at the end of Connecticut Ave. (Behind Cycles USA) and saw that they carried some motorcycle batteries. Might be worth checking. Niv BMW F650ST _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 4 15:32:45 2002 Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 15:32:39 -0500 From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Subject: Re: warranty services Trey asks - Loctite???? Isn't that what your bike did Tom? Don't know about that, but I *have* used 'lock tight' periodically in the same sentence as my wife... seems to happen an inordinate amount of time on 'Two Wheel Tuesday'... Dave -- Pop3Now Personal, Get quick remote access to your email accounts! Sign Up Now! Visit http://www.pop3now.com/personal From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 4 15:47:24 2002 From: Brian Roach To: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" , "roach@XXXXXX" , "t_gimer@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Re: warranty services - eg. warrantybynet Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 15:47:18 -0500 On Friday 04 January 2002 15:01, cvkgpena@XXXXXX wrote: > Haven't you heard of Loctite??? %^) You, sir, have never owned a Ducati. :) Until they come out with "Loctite Ultra-Red formula", I fear will continue to lose bolts. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 4 15:49:48 2002 Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 15:49:13 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: warranty services - eg. warrantybynet To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Cc: "roach@XXXXXX" , "t_gimer@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" wrote: > > Haven't you heard of Loctite??? %^) Not sure about the DUCs, but Loctite did horrible nasty things to the ABS plastic on my Connies. Be very, very careful using that stuff... Horkster -- MSL! SMG! (Chatty Moron TM's) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth AWSHIDT #322 - Completed. 99 Highway Signs! '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 4 16:52:36 2002 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Richard Westbrook" Cc: "dc-cycles list" Subject: Re: Where can I get a battery? Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 16:54:49 -0500 Hi Rich, I'm probably going to need a new battery soon too, so I did some checking around. The OEM replacement for the 94-97 VFR is a Yuasa YTX12-BS maintenance free. Interestingly enough Wal-Mart sells an Everstart ES12-BS. I'd be willing to bet a month's wages that these batteries are exactly the same, except for the decals thereon. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Richard Westbrook" > > > >> I tried to start my bike this morning so I could bring it into work and > >> leave it in our garage. After being out in the cold for a few weeks > > without > >> starting the bike, it came as no surprise that it would start. Also, its > > the > >> original battery in a 95 VFR. Where can I get a motorcycle battery in > >> Northern VA? I'd rather not go to Coleman unless I have to, and would > > rather > >> not mail order it because I would like to get this taken care of tomorrow. > >> > >> Thanks > >> Rich > >> > >> > > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 4 17:20:11 2002 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 17:17:33 -0500 Subject: SPAM - 85 Toyota Tercel Wagon From: Tom Fitzpatrick 85 Toyota Tercel Wagon for sale. Offers? Thanks, Tom From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 4 17:38:03 2002 From: "ROBERSON, Brian" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Where can I get a battery? Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 17:37:48 -0500 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C19570.6FC45C60 One thing I noticed about some of the Wal Mart batteries I recently checked out, was they were not maintenance free... Just my 2 cents. I think most of the Yuasa are maint-free. Brian 99VFR -----Original Message----- From: Paul Wilson [mailto:pawilson@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 4:55 PM To: Richard Westbrook Cc: dc-cycles list Subject: Re: Where can I get a battery? Hi Rich, I'm probably going to need a new battery soon too, so I did some checking around. The OEM replacement for the 94-97 VFR is a Yuasa YTX12-BS maintenance free. Interestingly enough Wal-Mart sells an Everstart ES12-BS. I'd be willing to bet a month's wages that these batteries are exactly the same, except for the decals thereon. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Richard Westbrook" > > > >> I tried to start my bike this morning so I could bring it into work > >> and leave it in our garage. After being out in the cold for a few > >> weeks > > without > >> starting the bike, it came as no surprise that it would start. > >> Also, its > > the > >> original battery in a 95 VFR. Where can I get a motorcycle battery > >> in Northern VA? I'd rather not go to Coleman unless I have to, and > >> would > > rather > >> not mail order it because I would like to get this taken care of tomorrow. > >> > >> Thanks > >> Rich > >> > >> > > > ------_=_NextPart_001_01C19570.6FC45C60 RE: Where can I get a battery?

One thing I noticed about some of the Wal Mart = batteries I recently checked out, was they were not maintenance free... = Just my 2 cents.  I think most of the Yuasa are = maint-free.

Brian
99VFR

-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Wilson [mailto:pawilson@XXXXXX= ]
Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 4:55 PM
To: Richard Westbrook
Cc: dc-cycles list
Subject: Re: Where can I get a battery?


Hi Rich,

I'm probably going to need a new battery soon too, so = I did some checking around.  The OEM replacement for the 94-97 VFR = is a Yuasa YTX12-BS maintenance free.  Interestingly enough = Wal-Mart sells an Everstart ES12-BS. I'd be willing to bet a month's = wages that these batteries are exactly the same, except for the decals = thereon.

Paul in DC
95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Richard Westbrook" = <rwestbrook@XXXXXX>
> >
> >> I tried to start my bike this morning = so I could bring it into work
> >> and leave it in our garage. After = being out in the cold for a few
> >> weeks
> > without
> >> starting the bike, it came as no = surprise that it would start.
> >> Also,
its
> > the
> >> original battery in a 95 VFR. Where = can I get a motorcycle battery
> >> in Northern VA? I'd rather not go to = Coleman unless I have to, and
> >> would
> > rather
> >> not mail order it because I would like = to get this taken care of
tomorrow.
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >> Rich
> >>
> >>
> >
>

------_=_NextPart_001_01C19570.6FC45C60-- From dc-cycles-request Sat Jan 5 09:39:45 2002 From: "Kevin Bechtel" To: Subject: motorcycle battery Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 09:40:54 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C195CD.12247CE0 Just about anyone that sells batteries will have them. I.E. Wal-Mart, = Batteries plus,Interstate, NAPA, or any local auto parts for that = matter. Trak auto, Pep Boys etc... Happy hunting! ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C195CD.12247CE0
Just about anyone that sells batteries = will have=20 them. I.E. Wal-Mart, Batteries plus,Interstate, NAPA, or any local auto = parts=20 for that matter. Trak auto, Pep Boys etc...   Happy=20 hunting!
------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C195CD.12247CE0-- From dc-cycles-request Sat Jan 5 19:46:05 2002 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, hawkgt-l@XXXXXX, Thumper@XXXXXX Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 19:43:37 -0500 Subject: Re: SPAM - 85 Toyota Tersely Wagon - $700 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 9-6,8-11,13-14,18-19,32-33,36-37,38-32767 From: Tom Fitzpatrick This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ----__JNP_000_094a.7ca1.00a2 More Information below. I apologize for the second spam, but I will be using the money to buy a bike tomorrow, hopefully. $700 Near Potomac Mills, near the intersection of Smoketown and Minnieville Roads. 85 Toyota Tercel Wagon, 4 door, cast wheels, decent appearance, blue color. Runs, was used as the car to go to the commuter lot until I got a 92 Sable with air conditioning. Now, I just use it to go to the home depot or take the dog places. It got emissions last year, so I don't think it would need it until 2/03. The right CV joint could use replacement, but I have driven it like this for three years, and the previous owner did the same for a period before that. The front brakes were good at the last inspection. The rear brake pads were borderline, but passed. Since I have driven it very little, I imagine the same is true now. The car runs strong but has two idiosyncracies I cannot figure out. One, it surges, perhaps a vacumn leak. It has done that since I have owned it, and it passed emissions last year that way. Two, sometimes, when it is first started up, particularly on damp mornings, it runs rough, as if on less than four cylinders. Once it heats up it seems to run fine. Also, even when still cold, it will run strong if you rev it higher. Again, it might be a vacum problem, but I don't know. Automatic transmission. Radio works. Air Conditiong "works", but leaks freon, so right now it doesn't work and won't hold freon for very long. Cruise Control. That's about it. Tom (703) 670-5525 ----__JNP_000_094a.7ca1.00a2
More Information below.  I apologize for the second spam, but I = will=20 be using the money to buy a bike tomorrow, hopefully.
 
$700
 
Near Potomac Mills, near the intersection of Smoketown and Minnieville= =20 Roads.
 
85 Toyota Tercel Wagon, 4 door, cast wheels, decent appearance, blue=20 color.  Runs, was used as the car to go to the commuter lot until I = got a=20 92 Sable with air conditioning.  Now, I just use it to go to the home = depot=20 or take the dog places.
 
It got emissions last year, so I don't think it would need it until=20 2/03.  The right CV joint could use replacement, but I have driven it = like=20 this for three years, and the previous owner did the same for a period = before=20 that.  The front brakes were good at the last inspection.  The = rear=20 brake pads were borderline, but passed.  Since I have driven it very=20 little, I imagine the same is true now.  The car runs strong but has = two=20 idiosyncracies I cannot figure out.  One, it surges, perhaps a vacumn= =20 leak.  It has done that since I have owned it, and it passed emissions= last=20 year that way.  Two, sometimes, when it is first started up, = particularly=20 on damp mornings, it runs rough, as if on less than four cylinders.  = Once=20 it heats up it seems to run fine.  Also, even when still cold, it will= run=20 strong if you rev it higher.  Again, it might be a vacum problem, but = I=20 don't know.
 
Automatic transmission.  Radio works.  Air Conditiong "works= ",=20 but leaks freon, so right now it doesn't work and won't hold freon for very= =20 long.  Cruise Control.  That's about it.
 
Tom (703) 670-5525
----__JNP_000_094a.7ca1.00a2-- From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 6 13:45:00 2002 From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'SabMag'" , "'DCCycles'" Subject: Driving Lights Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 13:47:53 -0500 Another argument for installing a pair of driving lights. <$20 at Wally Mart. Not a guarantee but IMHO, they certainly improve your odds. Plus, if your headlight goes out, you still have illumination as well as conspicuity. http://www.amadirectlink.com/news/90_days.asp - A 36-year-old Michigan man who killed a motorcyclist and injured the motorcyclist's passenger in a traffic crash has been sentenced to 90 days in jail. On September 30, 2000, Norman Walton turned his pickup truck into the path of a motorcycle ridden by Stephan Shemanski, 43, in the Grand Rapids area. Shemanski was killed and his passenger, daughter Melissa Shemanski, 19, was injured. Walton was found guilty of causing a fatality while driving with a suspended license and faced up to 15 years in prison. In handing down that sentence, the judge in the case basically absolved car drivers of the responsibility of looking for motorcyclists. "The driving in this case was the kind almost anyone would have done," Judge H. David Soet said, according to the Grand Rapids Press. "Anyone who has practiced law in this city for over 30 years, as I have, knows that people don't see motorcycles. They somehow overlook them." Carl in Bethesda From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 6 13:56:30 2002 From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Cc: "'rwestbrook@XXXXXX'" Subject: Where can I get a battery? Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 13:59:23 -0500 wondered Westbrook. As other's have noted, there isn't much magic about a motorcycle battery (d