From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 1 09:57:57 2002 Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 10:00:39 -0500 From: Paul Wilson To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Art of the motorcycle PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > > In a message dated 12/31/2001 9:47:28 AM Eastern Standard Time, > keithlva@XXXXXX writes: > > > It never > > occured to me that horseback riding influenced the > > shape of early motorcycles. > > Why do you think we mount from the left? > (unless you are a cop) > > John Walters (Long John) The reason an equestrian mounts on the left side of the horse, it because of the predominance of right-handedness. A cavalryman wears his sword on his left hip, to grip it and draw it out of the scabbard with his right hand. Therefore, it makes sense to mount a horse from the horse's left side. I assume this sort of thing carried over to motorcycles. Go to historic homes and sometimes you'll see armchairs with no left arms. These were designed for gentlemen with side arms. Paul in DC From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 1 12:06:20 2002 Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 09:06:18 -0800 (PST) From: Keith Lamond Subject: non-moto: Exploring my options (new job) To: dccyles My main new years resolution is to find a job that I would enjoy more than my current position. With the diversity of people on this list, I figured you could help me come up with some ideas for a new direction. I'm currently a project manager for an Internet applications consulting firm. A year ago I was an architect and team lead for web application development projects, which I certainly enjoyed more than my current position. Thoughts that I've had so far on a new direction include: * Finding somewhere to use my skills in the motorcycle industry. * Going on my own as an independent web developer. * Starting a business around Internet sales or services of some type. * Moving to another private industry or even government job in application development. I'm hoping to get more input into the first three ideas, as the fourth has the danger of being more of the same that I am experiencing now. So for any of you that have gone out on your own as a consultant or business owner: What made you decide to work for yourself? How difficult was it to establish a customer base? What advice would you give to someone thinking about going it on their own? For those of you in the motorcycle industry: What types of positions are available? Who should I talk to for information about jobs in the industry? For the moment I'm just researching options, and any help with my research is appreciated. Sorry to bring a non-moto question to the list, but I value the opinions of people on the list and have kept my signal to noise ratio down on the list until this point. Keith YSR 50 EARA #24 GS500E NESBA #456 SV650 Streetbike __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 1 13:50:42 2002 From: "Ricardo Pontes" To: "Dccycles" Subject: Daytona and myrtle beach bike week Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 13:50:27 -0500 Anyone planning on goign to these. Particularly Daytona bike week. I have never been to it, but will make the trip this year. Ill ride down there from here. Anyone know if its hard to get a room around there, if its possible to camp on the beach? Do i need to make reservations now? I was perhaps planning on getting a cheap hotel further from the action and going in to bike week. From people who have made his trip, what is it like? Ricardo Pontes From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 1 16:11:07 2002 Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 16:09:26 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" To: Ricardo Pontes CC: Dccycles Subject: Re: Daytona and myrtle beach bike week RIDE down ??? Nonono, the unofficial name for Daytona is Trailer Week. I went in `83 - rode down in the cold rain - wondered if I had the wrong week `cause I didn't see a single damn bike until I hooked up with a guy from PA in GA. My cuz went down again last year and sez it's even worse RE trailer to riden bike ratio. But there is a gaurentee - you'll see more'n one pair on naked ta-tas. Bill Ricardo Pontes wrote: > Anyone planning on goign to these. Particularly Daytona bike week. I have > never been to it, but will make the trip this year. Ill ride down there from > here. Anyone know if its hard to get a room around there, if its possible to > camp on the beach? Do i need to make reservations now? I was perhaps > planning on getting a cheap hotel further from the action and going in to > bike week. From people who have made his trip, what is it like? > > Ricardo Pontes From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 1 16:12:34 2002 From: laura granato To: "Ricardo Pontes" , "Dccycles" Subject: Re: Daytona and myrtle beach bike week Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 16:12:28 -0500 On Tuesday 01 January 2002 13:50, Ricardo Pontes wrote: > Anyone planning on goign to these. Particularly Daytona bike week. I have > never been to it, but will make the trip this year. Ill ride down there > from here. Anyone know if its hard to get a room around there, if its > possible to camp on the beach? Do i need to make reservations now? I was > perhaps planning on getting a cheap hotel further from the action and going > in to bike week. From people who have made his trip, what is it like? > Ricardo: Brian and I went last October for the last CCS race of the season...Don't get me wrong, it was fun, but...it was crowded, rooms are expensive, you can't camp at the track, by now you'll probably have trouble getting a room. It's a pretty long haul, but not too bad...it took us 15 hours from Delaware. Bike week just looked crowded! Hard to get in anywhere to eat and lots of morons riding around drunk on bikes. That's just my take on the whole thing, as I'm sure some people love bike week. It looked pretty fun, but since we weren't participating in "bike week" I can't comment on what that's like. As for racing at daytona, which I believe is there during bike week, even the track was boring as hell to watch at. Daytona itself had some pretty cool restaurants and stuff around, but I'd recommend trying to get a room now. A lot of people started booking for it over six months ago. Good luck! Laura From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 1 16:48:34 2002 Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 16:48:11 -0500 From: "Scott Luttrell" To: "DC Cycle mailing list" Subject: Re: Daytona and myrtle beach bike week We'll be heading down to Daytona Feb. 28th around noon for the CCS/Fusa races March 1-4. We'll be racing so we are trailering down and most likely camp again this year to save a couple bucks. As far as I know you can't camp on the beach, but there are camp grounds not to far from the track. Scott Luttrell Fast & Wily Racing www.fastandwily.com ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Ricardo Pontes" Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 13:50:27 -0500 > > >Anyone planning on goign to these. Particularly Daytona bike week. I have >never been to it, but will make the trip this year. Ill ride down there from >here. Anyone know if its hard to get a room around there, if its possible to >camp on the beach? Do i need to make reservations now? I was perhaps >planning on getting a cheap hotel further from the action and going in to >bike week. From people who have made his trip, what is it like? > >Ricardo Pontes > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 1 17:27:57 2002 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 17:27:47 EST Subject: First Joy Ride of 02 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX What a great day for a ride! The sun was shining, the roads were great, the traffic light, other then the weather being less thermally enhanced then a Wicca nursing apparatus it was perfect. Went on the "Polar Bear" ride, about 100mi. of following the kind of local roads that it would have taken me years to begin to find. My definition of a great day. Anyhow, for those who were not able to ride today may you spend the next year enjoying the kind of riding I enjoyed today. Merry New Year!!! John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European is now necessary {and I still like it.}) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 1 17:35:22 2002 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 17:35:05 EST Subject: Re: Art of (falling off) the motorcycle To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >> Why do you think we mount from the left? >> (unless you are a cop) >Anyone else wish motos (in the States at least) >had the sidestands on the right side instead of >the left side? Note the part above where I said unless you are a cop. They do dismount from the right (Easy on a Harley) so as not to fall into traffic if they stumble. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European is now necessary {and I still like it.}) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 1 17:42:04 2002 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 17:41:47 EST Subject: Re: Art of the motorcycle To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 1/1/2002 9:58:05 AM Eastern Standard Time, pawilson@XXXXXX writes: > Go to historic homes and sometimes you'll see armchairs with no left > arms. These were designed for gentlemen with side arms. Would not those be arms-chairs? Sorry. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European is now necessary {and I still like it.}) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 1 17:43:02 2002 Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 14:43:00 -0800 (PST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: First Joy Ride of 02 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > What a great day for a ride! The sun was shining, the roads were great, the > traffic light, other then the weather being less thermally enhanced then a > Wicca nursing apparatus it was perfect. I agree is was a good day for a ride. Unfortunately my bike wimped out and wouldn't start. Had to ride behind a friend of mine for the PARR Polar Bear run. How embarrassing. At least he told me he'd loan me his battery charger so I can see if that is what the problem is. Happy 2002 all!! Louis __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 1 17:58:24 2002 Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 17:41:42 -0500 To: DC Cycles From: Thomas Jordan Subject: OT - Legal question I know there are a couple of the best lawyers in the DC area on this list, and I need some info regarding accidents on private property. I was struck last night in a Wal-Mart parking lot by a woman driving about 40mph on the wrong side of the road. The officer who responded to the call said that he could not charge anyone with a violation, or determine fault in the accident because it was on private property. Is this true? Please reply privately. Thank you. -Thomas Jordan -- From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 1 20:19:13 2002 Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 20:25:14 -0500 From: "Steven C. Di Pietro" To: Keith Lamond CC: dccyles Subject: Re: non-moto: Exploring my options (new job) Keith Lamond wrote: > My main new years resolution is to find a job that I > would enjoy more than my current position. With the > diversity of people on this list, I figured you could > help me come up with some ideas for a new direction. > SNIP Keith, How 'bout starting a web based MC parts and accessories store. With a big discount to DC-C'ers, too. ;) Steven C. Di Pietro Assistant National Director National Marketing Coordinator Suzuki Owners Club USA 142 Circle Road Pasadena Md. 21122-6036 http://www.soc-usa.org From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 1 21:13:07 2002 Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 18:13:06 -0800 (PST) From: Keith Lamond Subject: Re: non-moto: Exploring my options (new job) To: "Steven C. Di Pietro" Cc: dccyles I'm actively exploring that option with a local motorcycle shop. Need to work everything out and give it a trial run as part time before it would be a full time job. However I don't want to put my search on hold while I see if this works out. If the online parts store gets started, I'll let the list know. I'm sure I'll be able to include a lister discount if I get it running. Keith --- "Steven C. Di Pietro" wrote: > > > Keith Lamond wrote: > > > My main new years resolution is to find a job that > I > > would enjoy more than my current position. With > the > > diversity of people on this list, I figured you > could > > help me come up with some ideas for a new > direction. > > > > SNIP > > Keith, > How 'bout starting a web based MC parts > and accessories > store. With a big discount to DC-C'ers, too. ;) > > Steven C. Di Pietro > Assistant National Director > National Marketing Coordinator > Suzuki Owners Club USA > 142 Circle Road > Pasadena Md. 21122-6036 > http://www.soc-usa.org > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 1 21:35:32 2002 Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 21:33:52 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" To: Thomas Jordan CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: OT - Legal question I'm no lawyer, but I believe the "private property" deal is BS to cut down on their paperwork. Basically, no injury, no foul - see ya! But one dark stormy night a law officer followed me out of a shopping center lot and eventually stopped me for speeding. He said the law considers shopping center areas as "service roads" and that said service roads have a 15MPH speed limit. No ticket, which was surprising since I posed the obvious question, how come y`all blow off accidents on those "service roads"? No answer either. Bill Thomas Jordan wrote: > I know there are a couple of the best lawyers in the DC area on this > list, and I need some info regarding accidents on private property. I > was struck last night in a Wal-Mart parking lot by a woman driving > about 40mph on the wrong side of the road. The officer who responded > to the call said that he could not charge anyone with a violation, or > determine fault in the accident because it was on private property. > Is this true? Please reply privately. Thank you. > > -Thomas Jordan > -- From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 1 21:49:47 2002 Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 21:53:44 -0500 From: Paul Wilson To: DC Cycles CC: Thomas Jordan Subject: Re: OT - Legal question William J. Huson wrote: > > I'm no lawyer, but I believe the "private property" deal is BS to cut > down on their paperwork. Basically, no injury, no foul - see ya! > > Bill > > Thomas Jordan wrote: > > > I know there are a couple of the best lawyers in the DC area on this > > list, and I need some info regarding accidents on private property. I > > was struck last night in a Wal-Mart parking lot by a woman driving > > about 40mph on the wrong side of the road. The officer who responded > > to the call said that he could not charge anyone with a violation, or > > determine fault in the accident because it was on private property. > > Is this true? Please reply privately. Thank you. > > > > -Thomas Jordan > > -- I'd say as a first measure, contact your insurance company, then file a claim against her insurance. If her insurance denies the claim, then let your insurance company go to bat for you (and themselves, of course). Did you get info from witnesses or anything? The police should have a record of them at least responding to the accident, log of a 911 call, etc. She is still liable for the damage; it's not really dependent on getting a ticket. Paul in DC (not an attorney, don't play one on TV, etc.) From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 1 22:20:27 2002 Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 19:20:25 -0800 (PST) From: Nomad Subject: First Moto Accident of 2002 To: vfr@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Hi all- This afternoon I decided to take the VFR out for a short run having missed the local "polar bear" rides due to a late New Year's Eve party but wanting to start the year out right and charge up the battery. Dispite the 30 degree temps, the sun was out and the roads were clear. What's not to like. As I headed down the George Washington Parkway just past the National Airport exit I spotted a Park Police cruiser blocking the upcoming left lane. He was apparently helping out a stalled car. The traffic in front of me merged into the right lane and I followed. Just as I was approaching the cruiser, I spotted through my mirror a car approaching in the left lane at a high rate of speed. A girl in a silver integra was headed straight for the cruiser. She finally reacts and hits the brakes hard and vears right towards me to avoid the cruiser. I hit the throttle and vear right a couple of feet as she hits my left ankle/left peg with her bumper. I lurched forward a few feet but managed to avoid the car in front of me and keep the bike upright. No other injury to me or the bike. I was very lucky. She pulls over, gets out of the car and proceeds to act anoid that I have inconvenienced her. She offers to call an ambulance but I decline. The cop looks over but stays with the stalled car. So...I've had my accident quota for the '02 year. ;~) Be careful out there...somethings don't change. Herb (w/bruised ankle) '99 VFR Arlington, VA __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 2 09:01:21 2002 Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 09:00:36 -0500 From: "Chris Norloff" To: "List-dc cycles" Subject: Reusable Flame graphics! I haven't tried these myself, but they look like a lot of fun! Chris Norloff Resuable motorcycle graphics: flames, flags, paint splashes http://www.cyclegraphics.cc/index.shtml Fighter plane (shark mouth & eyes) http://www.cyclegraphics.cc/imagezoom.shtml?C_slot3 EBay auction for flames: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=599809108 From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 2 09:40:28 2002 Subject: RE: First Moto Accident of 2002 From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 09:41:07 -0500 To: "nomad98@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Herb, First of all, glad to hear you and your VFR are OK. Uh, how fast was she going when she made contact with you? You are really lucky. And the cop didn't seem too concerned that a car had made physical contact with a motorcycle? Nice guy. I would've gotten her insurance info and made an injury claim against her. If nothing else, maybe her insurance company would hike up her premium. Chuck Original Message: ----------------- From: Nomad nomad98@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 19:20:25 -0800 (PST) To: vfr@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: First Moto Accident of 2002 Hi all- This afternoon I decided to take the VFR out for a short run having missed the local "polar bear" rides due to a late New Year's Eve party but wanting to start the year out right and charge up the battery. Dispite the 30 degree temps, the sun was out and the roads were clear. What's not to like. As I headed down the George Washington Parkway just past the National Airport exit I spotted a Park Police cruiser blocking the upcoming left lane. He was apparently helping out a stalled car. The traffic in front of me merged into the right lane and I followed. Just as I was approaching the cruiser, I spotted through my mirror a car approaching in the left lane at a high rate of speed. A girl in a silver integra was headed straight for the cruiser. She finally reacts and hits the brakes hard and vears right towards me to avoid the cruiser. I hit the throttle and vear right a couple of feet as she hits my left ankle/left peg with her bumper. I lurched forward a few feet but managed to avoid the car in front of me and keep the bike upright. No other injury to me or the bike. I was very lucky. She pulls over, gets out of the car and proceeds to act anoid that I have inconvenienced her. She offers to call an ambulance but I decline. The cop looks over but stays with the stalled car. So...I've had my accident quota for the '02 year. ;~) Be careful out there...somethings don't change. Herb (w/bruised ankle) '99 VFR Arlington, VA __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 2 10:03:29 2002 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Nomad" , Subject: Re: First Moto Accident of 2002 Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 10:06:22 -0500 Ouch, glad you're OK. Sounds like you were extremely lucky. If this was around 2PM my wife witnessed the incident that led to the cruiser being in the road. She said a driver either blacked out or was intoxicated and slammed into the median separator. She and a couple of other motorists stopped to see if the guy had a heart attack or something and needed EMS to come out. That's why the left lane was blocked. Usually they get stalled cars and traffic stops off to the side of the road. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nomad" > Hi all- > > This afternoon I decided to take the VFR out for a short run having > missed the local "polar bear" rides due to a late New Year's Eve > party but wanting to start the year out right and charge up the > battery. Dispite the 30 degree temps, the sun was out and the roads > were clear. What's not to like. > > As I headed down the George Washington Parkway just past the National > Airport exit I spotted a Park Police cruiser blocking the upcoming > left lane. He was apparently helping out a stalled car. The traffic > in front of me merged into the right lane and I followed. Just as I > was approaching the cruiser, I spotted through my mirror a car > approaching in the left lane at a high rate of speed. ... From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 2 10:39:44 2002 Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 07:39:42 -0800 (PST) From: Aaron Subject: Lane splitting To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (This was brought up in years past, but not indulge me again, if you will.) Out of curiousity, I spent some time going through the traffic law section of the DC code over the holidays. Interestingly, unlike VA and MD, there doesn't appear to be any explicit prohibition on sharing a lane/lane splitting. (I've been told that this is the case in CA too . . . there is no prohibition on lane splitting, ergo, it is allowed). Has anyone received a ticket for lane-splitting in DC? Do you remember what you were charged with? Has anyone been pulled for lane-splitting and NOT received a ticket? Thanks [My project this year is to try to get lane-splitting legitimized in DC (since we now rank up there with CA for traffic congestion). Anyone who wants to help, let me know.] __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 2 10:46:09 2002 From: SKeener2@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 10:45:51 EST Subject: Re: Daytona and myrtle beach bike week To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --part1_78.1feddb65.2964852f_boundary In a message dated 1/1/02 4:11:45 PM Eastern Standard Time, bhuson@XXXXXX writes: > RIDE down ??? Nonono, the unofficial name for Daytona is Trailer Week. I > went > in `83 - rode down in the cold rain - wondered if I had the wrong week > `cause I > didn't see a single damn bike until I hooked up with a guy from PA in GA. > My cuz > went down again last year and sez it's even worse RE trailer to riden bike > ratio. But there is a gaurentee - you'll see more'n one pair on naked > ta-tas. He's correct. You generally have a difficult time in hotel parking lots due to the large number of trailers. If you do go...lock your bikes AND trailers up with good heavy duty locks. There are tons of bikes & trailers stolen each year. And yes...I'm planning on being there for bike week. I'm planning on racing the CCS/FUSA at the speedway on 2/28-3/2. I should also be around running races the following weekend with the AMA. Keener --part1_78.1feddb65.2964852f_boundary In a message dated 1/1/02 4:11:45 PM Eastern Standard Time, bhuson@XXXXXX writes:

RIDE down ???  Nonono, the unofficial name for Daytona is Trailer Week.  I went
in `83 - rode down in the cold rain - wondered if I had the wrong week `cause I
didn't see a single damn bike until I hooked up with a guy from PA in GA. My cuz
went down again last year and sez it's even worse RE trailer to riden bike
ratio.  But there is a gaurentee - you'll see more'n one pair on naked ta-tas.


He's correct.  You generally have a difficult time in hotel parking lots due to the large number of trailers.  If you do go...lock your bikes AND trailers up with good heavy duty locks.  There are tons of bikes & trailers stolen each year.

And yes...I'm planning on being there for bike week.  I'm planning on racing the CCS/FUSA at the speedway on 2/28-3/2.  I should also be around running races the following weekend with the AMA. 

Keener

 --part1_78.1feddb65.2964852f_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 2 11:01:00 2002 From: "ROBERSON, Brian" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: First Moto Accident of 2002 Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 11:00:50 -0500 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C193A6.A6348AC0 As a former State Farm employee (years ago) I know that insurance companies don't take kindly to their policy holders hitting motorcyclists... Its got liability and sue written all over it. I would also have taken her insurance and filed a claim.. Gone to the doctor and made sure all was OK. Chances are they would have (eventually) offered a settlement... Brian 99 VFR, 81 CB750F -----Original Message----- From: cvkgpena@XXXXXX [mailto:cvkgpena@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 9:41 AM To: nomad98@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: First Moto Accident of 2002 Herb, First of all, glad to hear you and your VFR are OK. Uh, how fast was she going when she made contact with you? You are really lucky. And the cop didn't seem too concerned that a car had made physical contact with a motorcycle? Nice guy. I would've gotten her insurance info and made an injury claim against her. If nothing else, maybe her insurance company would hike up her premium. Chuck Original Message: ----------------- From: Nomad nomad98@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 19:20:25 -0800 (PST) To: vfr@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: First Moto Accident of 2002 Hi all- This afternoon I decided to take the VFR out for a short run having missed the local "polar bear" rides due to a late New Year's Eve party but wanting to start the year out right and charge up the battery. Dispite the 30 degree temps, the sun was out and the roads were clear. What's not to like. As I headed down the George Washington Parkway just past the National Airport exit I spotted a Park Police cruiser blocking the upcoming left lane. He was apparently helping out a stalled car. The traffic in front of me merged into the right lane and I followed. Just as I was approaching the cruiser, I spotted through my mirror a car approaching in the left lane at a high rate of speed. A girl in a silver integra was headed straight for the cruiser. She finally reacts and hits the brakes hard and vears right towards me to avoid the cruiser. I hit the throttle and vear right a couple of feet as she hits my left ankle/left peg with her bumper. I lurched forward a few feet but managed to avoid the car in front of me and keep the bike upright. No other injury to me or the bike. I was very lucky. She pulls over, gets out of the car and proceeds to act anoid that I have inconvenienced her. She offers to call an ambulance but I decline. The cop looks over but stays with the stalled car. So...I've had my accident quota for the '02 year. ;~) Be careful out there...somethings don't change. Herb (w/bruised ankle) '99 VFR Arlington, VA __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . ------_=_NextPart_001_01C193A6.A6348AC0 RE: First Moto Accident of 2002

As a former State Farm employee (years ago) I know = that insurance companies don't take kindly to their policy holders = hitting motorcyclists... Its got liability and sue written all over = it.  I would also have taken her insurance and filed a claim.. = Gone to the doctor and made sure all was OK.  Chances are they = would have (eventually) offered a settlement...

Brian
99 VFR, 81 CB750F

-----Original Message-----
From: cvkgpena@XXXXXX [mailto:cvkgpena@XXXXXX= ]
Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 9:41 AM
To: nomad98@XXXXXX; = dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Subject: RE: First Moto Accident of 2002


Herb,

First of all, glad to hear you and your VFR are = OK.  Uh, how fast was she going when she made contact with = you?  You are really lucky.  And the cop didn't seem too = concerned that a car had made physical contact with a motorcycle?  = Nice guy.  I would've gotten her insurance info and made an injury = claim against her.  If nothing else, maybe her insurance company = would hike up her premium.

Chuck

Original Message:
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From: Nomad nomad98@XXXXXX
Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 19:20:25 -0800 (PST)
To: vfr@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Subject: First Moto Accident of 2002


Hi all-

This afternoon I decided to take the VFR out for a = short run having missed the local "polar bear" rides due to a = late New Year's Eve party but wanting to start the year out right and = charge up the battery. Dispite the 30 degree temps, the sun was out and = the roads were clear. What's not to like.

As I headed down the George Washington Parkway just = past the National Airport exit I spotted a Park Police cruiser blocking = the upcoming left lane.  He was apparently helping out a stalled = car. The traffic in front of me merged into the right lane and I = followed. Just as I was approaching the cruiser, I spotted through my = mirror a car approaching in the left lane at a high rate of speed. A = girl in a silver integra was headed straight for the cruiser. She = finally reacts and hits the brakes hard and vears right towards me to = avoid the cruiser. I hit the throttle and vear right a couple of feet = as she hits my left ankle/left peg with her bumper. I lurched forward a = few feet but managed to avoid the car in front of me and keep the bike = upright. No other injury to me or the bike.  I was very = lucky.

She pulls over, gets out of the car and proceeds to = act anoid that I have inconvenienced her.  She offers to call an = ambulance but I decline.  The cop looks over but stays with the = stalled car.

So...I've had my accident quota for the '02 year. = ;~)
Be careful out there...somethings don't = change.

Herb (w/bruised ankle)
'99 VFR
Arlington, VA


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------_=_NextPart_001_01C193A6.A6348AC0-- From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 2 11:06:30 2002 From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Subject: Art of the motorcycle Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 11:09:07 -0500 Keith started a thread with , "I just got back a couple of days ago from my trip to Las Vegas. Any of you listers who make your way out there owe it to yourselves to see the Art of the Motorcycle exhibit at the Las Vegas Guggenhiem museum." While not as exotic as Vegas, Pickerington, OH has the AMA museum. It's not as artsy as the Guggenheim but it has some outstanding examples of older and not-so-old bikes. 'Tis closer (~350 miles) and the roads to the south and east are outstanding. Not a bad ride over on major roads and if you like side roads, you can make it wunnerful. >From personal experience, there is motorcycle-friendly camping in the Hocking Hills (Top of the Caves) ~ 50 miles south and the ever charming Aldeco Motel ("Feel free to park your bike on the porch") in New Matamoras ($26!!) ~120 miles to the southeast. "I just wish it wasn't so damn cold when I got back. Seeing the exhibit makes we want to get on my bike and ride. Keith" Roads are dry; Polartec is on sale; . . . also see Gerbing source below: FWIW, when the temperature drops below 25 F, I leave the battery hooked to the BatteryTender overnight for a sure start. Carl in Bethesda Long John " . . . the weather being less thermally enhanced than a Wicca nursing apparatus . . ." =8^D Will those be demo'ed at trailer week? Carl in Brrr-thesda Subject: Gerbing Gear From: "Tanner, Linda" To: "DC_CYCLES (E_mail)" Subject: Gerbing Gear Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 11:35:58 _0500 I went to see Mike Vlahos to get some new Gerbing gear. He's a good guy and is willing to cut some deals on stuff _ especially some older stuff. He has a reasonable selection at his home in Mt Airy and will order whatever you need that he doesn't have. If you're thinking about staying warm this winter, give this man a call and he'll do right by you. Mike Vlahos 5310 Pommel Dr MOUNT AIRY, MD 21771 301_829_0452 or mgvlahos@XXXXXX. As always, I have no financial interest in this, blah, blah, blah. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 2 11:14:59 2002 Subject: RE: RE: First Moto Accident of 2002 From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 11:14:58 -0500 To: "broberso@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" My general rule is to always file a claim when someone hits your vehicle (motorcycle or car), regardless of whether you think any damage occurred or you got hurt. Case in point. Last week, my wife was out shopping and after parking our car (Izusu Trooper) and opening her door to get out, a lady (with a cell phone) zipped into the space next to here and hit the door. Of course, the lady claimed it was my wife's fault. But clearly this lady wasn't paying any attention (and both her insurance company and our insurance company agreed that it was her fault). Sliced her bumper pretty good. No real damage to our door or car. Filed a claim with her insurance company anyway. Took it to their claims department over the weekend. They inspected our car. No structural damage to the frame, door, etc. Some barely visible cosmetic damage. Nonetheless, they wrote us check right there on the spot for the estimated cost of the repair work (in excess of $300). New Year's bonus! Plus the lady gets hit with an "at ault" claim with her insurance company (and the potential for increased premium). Never leave money on the table. Chuck Original Message: ----------------- From: ROBERSON, Brian broberso@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 11:00:50 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: First Moto Accident of 2002 As a former State Farm employee (years ago) I know that insurance companies don't take kindly to their policy holders hitting motorcyclists... Its got liability and sue written all over it. I would also have taken her insurance and filed a claim.. Gone to the doctor and made sure all was OK. Chances are they would have (eventually) offered a settlement... Brian 99 VFR, 81 CB750F -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 2 11:41:12 2002 From: RichH@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: RE: First Moto Accident of 2002 Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 11:40:25 -0500 It's been my experience that whenever I file a claim with the insurance companies whether it's my fault or not it counts against me. -----Original Message----- From: cvkgpena@XXXXXX [mailto:cvkgpena@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 11:15 AM To: broberso@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: RE: First Moto Accident of 2002 My general rule is to always file a claim when someone hits your vehicle (motorcycle or car), regardless of whether you think any damage occurred or you got hurt. Case in point. Last week, my wife was out shopping and after parking our car (Izusu Trooper) and opening her door to get out, a lady (with a cell phone) zipped into the space next to here and hit the door. Of course, the lady claimed it was my wife's fault. But clearly this lady wasn't paying any attention (and both her insurance company and our insurance company agreed that it was her fault). Sliced her bumper pretty good. No real damage to our door or car. Filed a claim with her insurance company anyway. Took it to their claims department over the weekend. They inspected our car. No structural damage to the frame, door, etc. Some barely visible cosmetic damage. Nonetheless, they wrote us check right there on the spot for the estimated cost of the repair work (in excess of $300). New Year's bonus! Plus the lady gets hit with an "at fault" claim with her insurance company (and the potential for increased premium). Never leave money on the table. Chuck Original Message: ----------------- From: ROBERSON, Brian broberso@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 11:00:50 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: First Moto Accident of 2002 As a former State Farm employee (years ago) I know that insurance companies don't take kindly to their policy holders hitting motorcyclists... Its got liability and sue written all over it. I would also have taken her insurance and filed a claim.. Gone to the doctor and made sure all was OK. Chances are they would have (eventually) offered a settlement... Brian 99 VFR, 81 CB750F From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 2 11:48:24 2002 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Custer, Carl" , "'DCCycles'" Subject: Re: Art of the motorcycle Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 11:31:06 -0500 Amen to the Gerbing recommendation. I picked up socks at the NYC bike show last weekend to go with the rest of my Gerbing rig. Nice and toasty all the way to work today, including my detour to the DC inspection station to get the "new" Interceptor inspected. No lines at 8:30 this morning. Need to work on the 20-foot-long retractable umbilicus so I can stay warm while pumping gas, etc. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F (garage queen) - 86 VF500F (commuter/winter beater bike) www.wilsonline.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Custer, Carl" > > "I just wish it wasn't so damn cold when I got back. Seeing the exhibit > makes we want to get on my bike and ride. > Keith" > Roads are dry; Polartec is on sale; . . . also see Gerbing source below: > FWIW, when the temperature drops below 25 F, I leave the battery hooked to > the BatteryTender overnight for a sure start. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 2 11:48:26 2002 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc-cycles list" Subject: Re: Lane splitting Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 11:50:30 -0500 I think they can nail you for something vague and catch all like "improper lane use" in DC if a cop takes umbrage at your MC antics. You're right, though, unlike our state/commonwealth neighbors the D. of C. has no explicit ban on lane-sharing. I wouldn't make to much noise about the statute, though, it could backfire as the same "get tough on traffic scofflaws" folks on the Council that brought you speed cameras might think they need to correct that little anomaly in the DC Code. Lane splitting and filtering is largely tolerated by custom, if not by statute. I'd rather leave well enough alone. Funny, you never hear motorcycles promoted as congestion mitigation tools. Instead you hear about expensive transit schemes and new highways. Their small size, excellent acceleration and nimble handling makes most bikes very good urban vehicles. Instead we are sometimes the objects of pity, as if we're too poor to afford a car. "Honey, I hope you have a car too and aren't going to ride that thing all winter." < > (This was brought up in years past, but not indulge me > again, if you will.) > > Out of curiousity, I spent some time going through the > traffic law section of the DC code over the holidays. > Interestingly, unlike VA and MD, there doesn't appear > to be any explicit prohibition on sharing a lane/lane > splitting. (I've been told that this is the case in > CA too . . . there is no prohibition on lane > splitting, ergo, it is allowed). > > Has anyone received a ticket for lane-splitting in DC? > Do you remember what you were charged with? Has > anyone been pulled for lane-splitting and NOT received > a ticket? > > Thanks > > [My project this year is to try to get lane-splitting > legitimized in DC (since we now rank up there with CA > for traffic congestion). Anyone who wants to help, > let me know.] From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 2 12:21:48 2002 Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 09:21:45 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: First Moto Accident of 2002 To: "ROBERSON, Brian" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" from the facts he has recited, there was no personal injury and no property damage. what other type of claim(s) would you and chuck be thinking of making? --- "ROBERSON, Brian" wrote: > As a former State Farm employee (years ago) I know that > insurance companies > don't take kindly to their policy holders hitting > motorcyclists... Its got > liability and sue written all over it. I would also have > taken her > insurance and filed a claim.. Gone to the doctor and made > sure all was OK. > Chances are they would have (eventually) offered a > settlement... > > Brian > 99 VFR, 81 CB750F > > -----Original Message----- > From: cvkgpena@XXXXXX > [mailto:cvkgpena@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 9:41 AM > To: nomad98@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: First Moto Accident of 2002 > > > Herb, > > First of all, glad to hear you and your VFR are OK. Uh, > how fast was she > going when she made contact with you? You are really > lucky. And the cop > didn't seem too concerned that a car had made physical > contact with a > motorcycle? Nice guy. I would've gotten her insurance > info and made an > injury claim against her. If nothing else, maybe her > insurance company > would hike up her premium. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 2 12:27:00 2002 Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 09:26:58 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Lane splitting To: Aaron , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Aaron wrote: > [My project this year is to try to get lane-splitting > legitimized in DC (since we now rank up there with CA > for traffic congestion). Anyone who wants to help, > let me know.] sounds to me like it's already legitimized by its absence from teh code. my bet is that you'll likely end up feeding the idea to the legislature to add a provision BANNING it rather than PERMITTING it. i've never been cited in dc for splitting (and i worked for a while as a m/c courier, splitting nonstop). -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 2 12:37:23 2002 From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'Paul Wilson'" , "'DCCycles'" Subject: retractable umbilicus Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 12:40:14 -0500 Paul posted, "Amen to the Gerbing recommendation. . . . Need to > work on the 20-foot-long retractable umbilicus so I can stay warm while > pumping gas, etc. [Custer, Carl] Someone, somewhere posted a source for curly wire but IIRC, it was pricey, only available in >100 foot lengths, or both. I wrapped some 16 AWG speaker wire (clear plastic insulator) around a mandrel (broom stick) and heated it in the oven at ~225 F to make my own curly wire. It showed promise but lost it's curl. Needed more heat or sumptin'. Carl in Brrr-thesda From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 2 12:44:01 2002 Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 09:44:00 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Weaver Subject: RE: First Moto Accident of 2002 To: Tom Gimer , "ROBERSON, Brian" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" A sore ankle indicates personal injury. Chris Weaver --- Tom Gimer wrote: > from the facts he has recited, there was no personal > injury > and no property damage. what other type of claim(s) > would > you and chuck be thinking of making? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 2 12:46:33 2002 Subject: RE: RE: First Moto Accident of 2002 From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 12:46:32 -0500 To: "t_gimer@XXXXXX" , "broberso@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Tom, I thought Herb said she actually made contact with him. Her bumper hitting his ankle. I'm just saying I'd have gone to a doctor to make sure there wasn't a serious injury and to create a paper trail should something surface that could be related to the incident at a later date. A visit to a doctor might, in fact, reveal an injury that could not be self-diagnosed by a non-medical person (i.e., Herb). Just seems like the prudent thing to do. Chuck Original Message: ----------------- From: Tom Gimer t_gimer@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 09:21:45 -0800 (PST) To: broberso@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: First Moto Accident of 2002 from the facts he has recited, there was no personal injury and no property damage. what other type of claim(s) would you and chuck be thinking of making? --- "ROBERSON, Brian" wrote: > As a former State Farm employee (years ago) I know that > insurance companies > don't take kindly to their policy holders hitting > motorcyclists... Its got > liability and sue written all over it. I would also have > taken her > insurance and filed a claim.. Gone to the doctor and made > sure all was OK. > Chances are they would have (eventually) offered a > settlement... > > Brian > 99 VFR, 81 CB750F > > -----Original Message----- > From: cvkgpena@XXXXXX > [mailto:cvkgpena@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 9:41 AM > To: nomad98@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: First Moto Accident of 2002 > > > Herb, > > First of all, glad to hear you and your VFR are OK. Uh, > how fast was she > going when she made contact with you? You are really > lucky. And the cop > didn't seem too concerned that a car had made physical > contact with a > motorcycle? Nice guy. I would've gotten her insurance > info and made an > injury claim against her. If nothing else, maybe her > insurance company > would hike up her premium. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 2 12:48:19 2002 Subject: RE: RE: RE: First Moto Accident of 2002 From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 12:48:18 -0500 To: "richh@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Rich, I understand how if you file a claim with your insurance company and they have to pay out, it could count against you (even if you're not at fault). But I don't understand how getting someone else's insurance to pay for something that was someone else's fault could count against you??? Chuck Original Message: ----------------- From: RichH@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 11:40:25 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: RE: First Moto Accident of 2002 It's been my experience that whenever I file a claim with the insurance companies whether it's my fault or not it counts against me. -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 2 12:56:31 2002 Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 09:56:30 -0800 (PST) From: Aaron Subject: Re: Lane splitting To: Tom Gimer , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Well, that's exactly why I asked whether anyone had ever been cited/stopped for splitting in DC. As I've learned from wrenching on my bike, it's not worth trying to fix a problem that doesn't exist. --- Tom Gimer wrote: > --- Aaron wrote: > > [My project this year is to try to get > lane-splitting > > legitimized in DC (since we now rank up there with > CA > > for traffic congestion). Anyone who wants to > help, > > let me know.] > > sounds to me like it's already legitimized by its > absence > from teh code. my bet is that you'll likely end up > feeding > the idea to the legislature to add a provision > BANNING it > rather than PERMITTING it. > > i've never been cited in dc for splitting (and i > worked for > a while as a m/c courier, splitting nonstop). > > > > -- > tg > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send your FREE holiday greetings online! > http://greetings.yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 2 13:05:27 2002 Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 10:05:25 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: First Moto Accident of 2002 To: Chris Weaver , "ROBERSON, Brian" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" i just noticed his sig file indicates a sore ankle. my fault. there was very limited personal injury. my LAYMAN'S opinion as to settlement value: next to nothing. maybe they'd throw a couple hundred bucks at you just to go away. who knows? would i do anything about it? no. but that's just me (and, from the sound of it, the original poster/victim as well). we certainly have had plenty of potential clients who truly believe they're entitled to million$ for shit that a jury will be far from amused that they are missing work for it. no lawyer would touch this one, imo. good luck. --- Chris Weaver wrote: > A sore ankle indicates personal injury. > > Chris Weaver > > > --- Tom Gimer wrote: > > from the facts he has recited, there was no personal > > injury > > and no property damage. what other type of claim(s) > > would > > you and chuck be thinking of making? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 2 13:08:40 2002 From: "Ricardo Pontes" To: "Dccycles" Subject: RE: Lane splitting Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 13:08:31 -0500 Lane Splitting is the best advantage motorcylists have in their portfolio. I have never gotten a ticket, i have splitted in front of dc cops many times, i try to be polite, i dont let my revs get too high, keep the noise down, signal when i want to get in the lane and its always fine. Same thing in Maryland and Virginia suburbs, no tickets for lane splitting even thou police is present. Only problem with MD and VA, are the people driving who DO get very upset and try to block your way, spit on your, hit you, open doors. But its a small thing :) (This was brought up in years past, but not indulge me again, if you will.) Out of curiousity, I spent some time going through the traffic law section of the DC code over the holidays. Interestingly, unlike VA and MD, there doesn't appear to be any explicit prohibition on sharing a lane/lane splitting. (I've been told that this is the case in CA too . . . there is no prohibition on lane splitting, ergo, it is allowed). Has anyone received a ticket for lane-splitting in DC? Do you remember what you were charged with? Has anyone been pulled for lane-splitting and NOT received a ticket? Thanks [My project this year is to try to get lane-splitting legitimized in DC (since we now rank up there with CA for traffic congestion). Anyone who wants to help, let me know.] __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 2 13:20:41 2002 Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 13:19:58 -0500 From: "Chris Norloff" To: "richh@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: RE: RE: First Moto Accident of 2002 ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" >I understand how if you file a claim with your insurance company and they have to pay out, it could count against you (even if you're not at fault). But I don't understand how getting someone else's insurance to pay for something that was someone else's fault could count against you??? > I don't know about the insurance companies, but with the DMV if your vehicle is moving it goes on your record. At least that's how I got royally screwed years ago. A guy pulls in front of me; even with maximum braking I hit him (in the van, nowhere to go). He tells the officer I was 75 ft. away and going 50 mph when he pulled in front of me and stopped. Turns out he had no insurance, and his career was car thief. He was known by name to the police. He then skipped town after agreeing to pay for the damage to my vehicle. He finally paid when I sued him. And after all that, our drivers records with the DMV read the same: "driver/owner of vehicle that had property damage done to it" Whew! Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 2 13:46:49 2002 Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 10:46:44 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Garage space To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX e-z storage, located off of westbard in bethesda, md has space that MAY work for the group garage idea. it is indoor space (i.e., you ride up to the door, then dismount and walk the bike into the unit) that is 10' x 30' and the price is $410 per month. yes, 300 square feet would be pretty tight, but i think i could live with it. they may also have a 14 foot-wide unit. i will visit and see. i figure we could easily fit four motorcycles plus tools in there. possibly more if a couple bikes were simply there for storage and against the back wall. is anybody interested in doing this? if so, when? (i'll check my saved messages to determine who was interested a few months ago.) i'd like to be in some type of space by march or so, and possibly earlier. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 2 13:59:04 2002 Subject: RE: RE: RE: RE: First Moto Accident of 2002 From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 13:59:03 -0500 To: "cnorloff@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" This is why IMHO it's important to have a good insurance company and agent (note that lowest-cost does not always equal good, but I am fortunate in having both). My wife's DMV record shows a moving violation (failure to stop at a stop sign) on her driving record. Except that she was on her bicycle, not driving her car. And on the bike trail. Didn't stop at a stop sign where the bike trail used to cut across the exit from Natl Airport onto the GW Parkway. Since the Park Police have nothing better to do, a car gave chase and then blocked her on the bike trail! No, I'm not making this up! Anyway, when it came time for insurance renewal our agent called about the ticket because it would have affected our premium. When I explained everything to him, the insurance company decided that since they weren't insuring our bicycles or bicycle riding it shouldn't affect our car insurance. Original Message: ----------------- From: Chris Norloff cnorloff@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 13:19:58 -0500 To: richh@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: RE: RE: First Moto Accident of 2002 I don't know about the insurance companies, but with the DMV if your vehicle is moving it goes on your record. At least that's how I got royally screwed years ago. -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 2 15:27:47 2002 From: "Paul Wilson" To: Cc: "dc-cycles list" Subject: Re: RE: RE: RE: First Moto Accident of 2002 Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 15:30:35 -0500 Since you don't have to have a license to ride a bicycle, how did the DMV even find out about this? One could simply refuse to produce a license, just state your name, etc., it seems to me. Heck, I usually don't even *carry* a DL when I'm on a bicycle and indeed, I will make a point of *not* carrying one after this story. I wear metal dog tags with my name and emergency contact info. From a civil liberties standpoint I would say that if I'm operating a motor vehicle I cannot be compelled to produce a DL. We're well down the slippery slope where driver's licenses are becoming de facto national ID cards. Paul in DC ----- Original Message ----- From: This is why IMHO it's important to have a good insurance company and agent (note that lowest-cost does not always equal good, but I am fortunate in having both). My wife's DMV record shows a moving violation (failure to stop at a stop sign) on her driving record. Except that she was on her bicycle, not driving her car. And on the bike trail. Didn't stop at a stop sign where the bike trail used to cut across the exit from Natl Airport onto the GW Parkway. Since the Park Police have nothing better to do, a car gave chase and then blocked her on the bike trail! No, I'm not making this up! Anyway, when it came time for insurance renewal our agent called about the ticket because it would have affected our premium. When I explained everything to him, the insurance company decided that since they weren't insuring our bicycles or bicycle riding it shouldn't affect our car insurance. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 2 15:37:06 2002 Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 15:35:57 -0500 From: "Robert Beatty" To: , Cc: Subject: RE: RE: RE: RE: First Moto Accident of 2002 Are you saying that my four year old can receive a ticket on her bike now....? -----Original Message----- From: "Paul Wilson" Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 3:31 PM To: Cc: "dc-cycles list" Subject: Re: RE: RE: RE: First Moto Accident of 2002 Since you don't have to have a license to ride a bicycle, how did the DMV even find out about this? One could simply refuse to produce a license, just state your name, etc., it seems to me. Heck, I usually don't even *carry* a DL when I'm on a bicycle and indeed, I will make a point of *not* carrying one after this story. I wear metal dog tags with my name and emergency contact info. From a civil liberties standpoint I would say that if I'm operating a motor vehicle I cannot be compelled to produce a DL. We're well down the slippery slope where driver's licenses are becoming de facto national ID cards. Paul in DC Original Message From: This is why IMHO it's important to have a good insurance company and agent (note that lowest cost does not always equal good, but I am fortunate in having both). My wife's DMV record shows a moving violation (failure to stop at a stop sign) on her driving record. Except that she was on her bicycle, not driving her car. And on the bike trail. Didn't stop at a stop sign where the bike trail used to cut across the exit from Natl Airport onto the GW Parkway. Since the Park Police have nothing better to do, a car gave chase and then blocked her on the bike trail! No, I'm not making this up! Anyway, when it came time for insurance renewal our agent called about the ticket because it would have affected our premium. When I explained everything to him, the insurance company decided that since they weren't insuring our bicycles or bicycle riding it shouldn't affect our car insurance. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 2 16:03:57 2002 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Robert Beatty" Cc: Subject: Re: RE: RE: RE: First Moto Accident of 2002 Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 16:07:05 -0500 Theoretically, yes. And you can be ticketed and fined in some places if she doesn't wear a helmet. Bicycles are subject to all traffic laws and must obey stop signs and traffic lights. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Beatty" Are you saying that my four year old can receive a ticket on her bike now....? -----Original Message----- From: "Paul Wilson" Since you don't have to have a license to ride a bicycle, how did the DMV even find out about this? From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 2 16:22:42 2002 Subject: RE: Re: RE: RE: RE: First Moto Accident of 2002 From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 16:22:43 -0500 To: "pawilson@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Because my wife was issued a traffic citation and her drivers license appears on the citation. Yes, it's totally f---ed up! There is no requirement to carry a drivers license for operating a car (or moto) when you're riding your bike. And remember, she was dealing the PARK POLICE who have jurisdiction over the bicycle trails. Just another example of idiot law enforcement and system. Original Message: ----------------- From: Paul Wilson pawilson@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 15:30:35 -0500 To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: RE: RE: RE: First Moto Accident of 2002 Since you don't have to have a license to ride a bicycle, how did the DMV even find out about this? One could simply refuse to produce a license, just state your name, etc., it seems to me. Heck, I usually don't even *carry* a DL when I'm on a bicycle and indeed, I will make a point of *not* carrying one after this story. I wear metal dog tags with my name and emergency contact info. From a civil liberties standpoint I would say that if I'm operating a motor vehicle I cannot be compelled to produce a DL. We're well down the slippery slope where driver's licenses are becoming de facto national ID cards. -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 2 16:48:56 2002 Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 13:19:03 -0600 From: "George Cole" To: , , Subject: RE: RE: RE: RE: First Moto Accident of 2002 >>> "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Wrote SNIP <(failure to stop at a stop sign) on her driving record. Except that she was on her bicycle, not driving her car> A moving violation for a bicycle? Didn't think that was possible. I used to ride my bicycle all over that area never once stopped for a stop sign. George Cole From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 2 17:30:27 2002 From: "Noel Auger" To: "Nomad" , , Subject: Re: French "premiere" (was : First Moto Accident of 2002) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 23:14:14 +0100 Hi listers, Hereinafter is a quick translation of a post from a member of the french VFR list : Quote : "I can't believe it. I had just bought a new '02 red VFR, with ABS, from Guignabodet. (Note : Guignabodet is one of the first french Honda dealers, BTW makers of the well known MIG exhausts ...) Pure satisfaction, so much I was pleased with this bike. Then the drama : a cager (she was talking in her cell phone) misses a signal, and cuts my way. I couldn't do anything. No time left to brake, I hit her at about 30 mph, and flew above the car. Some bruises for me, but ... the bike is totalled ! I had it for 2 days, and there was 120 kilometers on the odo !!! I've been riding for 26 years, and thought I had "passed" this kind of thing ... " End quote BTW, this guy was proud to be the first member of the french "VFR-Club de France" to own a '02 VFR. No more VFR willm be available before Feb. '02 ... BEWARE of phones in cages !!! NoM-kl in France ----- Message d'origine ----- De : "Nomad" M-@ : ; EnvoyM-i : mercredi 2 janvier 2002 04:20 Objet : First Moto Accident of 2002 > Hi all- > > This afternoon I decided to take the VFR out for a short run having > missed the local "polar bear" rides due to a late New Year's Eve > party but wanting to start the year out right and charge up the > battery. Dispite the 30 degree temps, the sun was out and the roads > were clear. What's not to like. > > As I headed down the George Washington Parkway just past the National > Airport exit I spotted a Park Police cruiser blocking the upcoming > left lane. He was apparently helping out a stalled car. The traffic > in front of me merged into the right lane and I followed. Just as I > was approaching the cruiser, I spotted through my mirror a car > approaching in the left lane at a high rate of speed. A girl in a > silver integra was headed straight for the cruiser. She finally > reacts and hits the brakes hard and vears right towards me to avoid > the cruiser. I hit the throttle and vear right a couple of feet as > she hits my left ankle/left peg with her bumper. I lurched forward a > few feet but managed to avoid the car in front of me and keep the > bike upright. No other injury to me or the bike. I was very lucky. > > She pulls over, gets out of the car and proceeds to act anoid that I > have inconvenienced her. She offers to call an ambulance but I > decline. The cop looks over but stays with the stalled car. > > So...I've had my accident quota for the '02 year. ;~) > Be careful out there...somethings don't change. > > Herb (w/bruised ankle) > '99 VFR > Arlington, VA > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send your FREE holiday greetings online! > http://greetings.yahoo.com > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > The VF/VFR mailing list--see http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~john/vfr-list/ > for subscribe/unsubscribe, policy and archive information. > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 2 17:51:22 2002 Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 14:51:18 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Lane splitting To: Aaron , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Aaron wrote: > Well, that's exactly why I asked whether anyone had > ever been cited/stopped for splitting in DC. As I've > learned from wrenching on my bike, it's not worth > trying to fix a problem that doesn't exist. it was clear from your post that your goal/project was to have it "legitimized." to me that meant that you intended to get involved with legislation. i don't know of any other way.... i do actually know one person on this list who dc police ATTEMPTED to stop for lane-splitting.... so technically it could be a problem. i for one hope this was just an isolated incident of law enforcement in the district. > --- Tom Gimer wrote: > > --- Aaron wrote: > > > [My project this year is to try to get > > > lane-splitting legitimized in DC (since we now rank > > > up there with CA for traffic congestion). Anyone who > > > wants to help, let me know.] > > > > sounds to me like it's already legitimized by its > > absence from teh code. my bet is that you'll likely > > end up feeding the idea to the legislature to add a > > provision BANNING it rather than PERMITTING it. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 2 17:54:12 2002 Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 17:52:27 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" To: Tom Gimer CC: "ROBERSON, Brian" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: First Moto Accident of 2002 Tom Gimer wrote: > from the facts he has recited, there was no personal injury > and no property damage. what other type of claim(s) would > you and chuck be thinking of making? Obnoxious bitch scared the crap outta me claim! Causing a high degreee of stress, sleepness nights, and the inability to get it on! Suppy a note from a doc, a shrink, and the Dear John letter form the unsatisfied gf and sue for zillions! It's the `Murican way... Bill From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 2 18:07:07 2002 Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 15:07:02 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: First Moto Accident of 2002 To: "William J. Huson" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- "William J. Huson" wrote: > > > Tom Gimer wrote: > > > from the facts he has recited, there was no personal > injury > > and no property damage. what other type of claim(s) > would > > you and chuck be thinking of making? > > Obnoxious bitch scared the crap outta me claim! Causing > a high degreee > of stress, sleepness nights, and the inability to get it > on! Suppy a > note from a doc, a shrink, and the Dear John letter form > the unsatisfied > gf and sue for zillions! otherwise known as "negligent infliction of emotional distress" > It's the `Murican way... that's the truth! pitiful, but true.... -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 2 18:07:42 2002 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "George Cole" , "dc-cycles list" Subject: Re: RE: RE: RE: First Moto Accident of 2002 Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 17:26:14 -0500 Given the general lawlessness of DC bicyclists you'd never know that bicycles on the public rights-of-way are subject to the same traffic laws. But it's true. Personally, I think it would be great idea if some libertarian minded state (NH might be a good candidate) would pass legislation restricting the use of its DLs to simply demonstrating fitness to operate a motor vehicle. All it would take is one to adopt such a rule to throw the monkey wrench into the works. That way I wouldn't be compelled to show a document that merely licenses me to operate a motor vehicle to every airline ticket clerk, merchant, bag checker and LEO who wants to use it, inappropriately, as a means of identification. That would force the feds to either institute national IDs (to howls of protest) or stop using the back door approach of state IDs and driver's licenses. Perhaps we should propose requiring identification documents for internal travel and daily use, whether on foot, by car, airplane, train, etc. and have a real debate about the authoritarianism inherent in such a move. Paul in DC ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Cole" >>> "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Wrote SNIP <(failure to stop at a stop sign) on her driving record. Except that she was on her bicycle, not driving her car> A moving violation for a bicycle? Didn't think that was possible. I used to ride my bicycle all over that area never once stopped for a stop sign. George Cole From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 3 09:34:49 2002 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 09:34:21 EST Subject: Re: First Moto Accident of 2002 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 1/2/2002 10:49:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, pawilson@XXXXXX writes: > Personally, I think it would be great idea if some libertarian minded state > (NH might be a good candidate) would pass legislation restricting the use of > its DLs to simply demonstrating fitness to operate a motor vehicle. Sorry would not work. I just lost (stolen) my first Social Security card last year, it clearly said "Not for identification purposes." Whatever happened to that? John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European is now necessary {and I still like it.}) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 3 11:44:41 2002 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc-cycles list" Subject: DC bike plates Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 11:38:13 -0500 I picked up new plates for the Interceptor today. The new DC bike plates are even uglier than their predecessors. Flat reflective metal--no more embossed letters and numbers--black and white and, of course, no place to put the required three stickers (month, year and inspection) that go on them without obscuring some part of the lettering. Since the demise of the Lorton License Plate Academy and Prison, they must have contracted them out to the lowest bidder. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 3 12:36:10 2002 Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 12:29:48 -0500 From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Subject: RE: DC plates Paul lamented - I picked up new plates for the Interceptor today. The new DC bike plates are even uglier than their predecessors. Flat reflective metal--no more embossed letters and numbers--black and white and, of course, no place to put the required three stickers (month, year and inspection) that go on them without obscuring some part of the lettering. We should all be OUTRAGED ! Since all of our federal income taxes are usurped by the likes of Hizzoner Tony Williams and all the other DC Gov't high muckety mucks... The LEAST they can do, is provide decent plates for OUR hard earned, and taken without our consent money... Not that I'm bitter or anything... Since the demise of the Lorton License Plate Academy and Prison, they must have contracted them out to the lowest bidder. can you get the special edition 'DC: We just want your money' plates? I was email corresponding with Congressman Armey's office to have them create this special edition license plate, which has a back ground reflective image of a radar gun & a cop with his hand held out, palm up (asking for your money). ;-) seriously, you'd better ask exactly how to put the stickers on, no sense giving them an excuse to pull you over & ticket you... Dave -- Pop3Now Personal, Get quick remote access to your email accounts! Sign Up Now! Visit http://www.pop3now.com/personal From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 3 13:05:12 2002 From: "Lantech (DCOP)" To: "'Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: RE: DC plates Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 13:03:49 -0500 As much as I love DC, the DMV needs a little help. On my last 2 bike-related visits: -Returned the single MC tag for a bike I sold. Had a lot of fun explaining that, since it was a motorcycle, it only had one tag in the first place. They *really* wanted me to return both the tags and wouldn't sign the tag-return form until the supervisor cleared it up. -Got issued car tags (2 of them) for the bike. Had a lot of fun clearing that one up! -They didn't have a KBB when I needed to transfer title from an out-of-state owner. They wanted to use the blue book value for a Honda Car to tax my Yamaha Motorcycle. I didn't get it, either. I mean, I could make the leap if they were BOTH Hondas, but ????? Woks come from Japan, too, so why not just tax me on a nice little wok? -And how about that DC Inspection??? OK, so I can take advantage of the fact that, basically, if the bike is not on fire, it passes. But the last 3 times I have been there, it's always been a scramble to find someone to do the inspection. You basically pull in, honk the horn, turn on the signals, and you're done. But you still gotta wait in the major-long line, then wait an extra 15 minutes for the MC guy to get there, and it's a 20-second inspection that doesn't check anything that doesn't need me to work (just because my signals work does not mean I am going to use them!). But all the DMV's are screwed up. VA revoked my license and issued a bench warrant for me after I failed to respond to one of those in-the-mail prove-you-had-insurance-on-blah-blah-date checkups. Which was issued about 6 years after I left the Commonwealth, about 5 1/2 years after I no longer had a VA license, and way way after the Post Office stopped forwarding my mail. I was driving around, no license and a bench warrant, for something like 2 years. Never knew it. Took them almost 6 months to fix it, too, once I found out. Good thing I am a good sport... <<>> I feel better now! -patti Patti the Lantech '95 Virago 750 From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 3 13:38:29 2002 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "'Dc-Cycles \(E-mail\)" Subject: Re: DC plates Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 13:42:19 -0500 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lantech (DCOP)" > > As much as I love DC, the DMV needs a little help. On my last 2 bike-related > visits: > > -Returned the single MC tag for a bike I sold. Had a lot of fun explaining > that, since it was a motorcycle, it only had one tag in the first place. > They *really* wanted me to return both the tags and wouldn't sign the > tag-return form until the supervisor cleared it up. Yeah, today they gave me pairs of stickers, as if I had two plates. > > -Got issued car tags (2 of them) for the bike. Had a lot of fun clearing > that one up! > > -They didn't have a KBB when I needed to transfer title from an out-of-state > owner. They wanted to use the blue book value for a Honda Car to tax my > Yamaha Motorcycle. I didn't get it, either. I mean, I could make the leap > if they were BOTH Hondas, but ????? Woks come from Japan, too, so why not > just tax me on a nice little wok? Depends on how diligent the window clerk is and how long it's been since break time. Sometimes they just ask what you paid, sometimes they look it up. It's hit or miss. Today, she asked what I paid, so you can decide how *ahem* truthful you want to be. On my rat bike, the tax was miniscule. Basically they have no clue about bike models and a lot of titles don't reference the model designation and they sure don't work backwards from the VIN. > > -And how about that DC Inspection??? OK, so I can take advantage of the fact > that, basically, if the bike is not on fire, it passes. But the last 3 > times I have been there, it's always been a scramble to find someone to do > the inspection. You basically pull in, honk the horn, turn on the signals, > and you're done. But you still gotta wait in the major-long line, then wait > an extra 15 minutes for the MC guy to get there, and it's a 20-second > inspection that doesn't check anything that doesn't need me to work (just > because my signals work does not mean I am going to use them!). Not on fire or leaving a four-inch wide oil slick in your wake. Anyway, I've never had problems with waiting for bike inspections. Cage is another story. I usually get waved up to the front of the line and I'm outta there. Yesterday when I went (bikes need to be inspected *before* you get tags unlike cars) they actually checked my brakes. That was a first. I've not had to wait the times I've gone for bike inspection. About 8:30 or 9 in the morning seems to be the magic time. There was *no* line yesterday at 8:30. Paul in DC 95 VFR - 86 VF500F From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 3 17:16:37 2002 Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 17:16:24 -0500 From: Mike Jay To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: oh speaking fo tickets This URL is interesting: http://dccode.westgroup.com/search/default.wl?DB=DC-ST-WEB&RS=WLW2.07&VR=1.0 Natural Language Description: traffic code reckless definition The excerpt below is part of what I got back my browser frame: M-' 50-2201.04. Speeding and reckless driving. (b) Any person who drives any vehicle upon a highway carelessly and heedlessly in willful or wanton disregard of the rights or safety of others, or without due caution and circumspection and at a speed or in a manner so as to endanger or be likely to endanger any person or property, shall be guilty of reckless driving. Regards, mike zn700a2 "William J. Huson" wrote: > > daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > > My question for you is.. who do you endanger when you wheelie? > > > > Danny > > > > Yourself, and anyone within striking distance when you shithouse. Not to mention > those behind you who now have the problem of dodging a crunching bike and a > splatting rider. > > Bill From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 3 18:55:02 2002 From: "mobacc" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: MSF advanced Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 16:17:05 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0047_01C19472.15E50E00 Along with the annual riding rampups of longer days, higher temps and = DST, MSF advanced got scheduled. Noteworthy in the chat with the = (probably temp) signer-upper -- Noteworthy #1 She --"May I have your SocSec number, please" Me -- "Hmmm, I do not like to give that out unless absolutely necessary = these days. I've been through this in the past with MSF. Hasn't there = been some relief yet? (pleading tone of voice). =20 S -- "Just a second, I'll check" 20sec S -- OK, we'll assign you a student ID. It'll come on your confirmation = a couple of weeks before class. =20 M -- Very large smile. "Thank you and your organization for fixing = this" Noteworthy #2 S-- You'll be required to pay for parking. M -- Huh? S -- yes. We used to send out passes but this year everyone pays for = parking. Bring quarters for meters. =20 M -- On Sunday? For the 4 class hours? While all that pavement sits. =20 S -- yes, sorry. (Patient explanation about costs.). =20 M -- OK. Will be interested in how this plays out. =20 MSF Advanced at NVCC Loudoun. 8-5 Sundays beginning late April. = $60 +parking! 703 450 2551 to register. =20 Bill S. / DC '99 VN750 II --> Hey boss. I've been to Hogwarts. Can disappear. No = parking! Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. ------=_NextPart_000_0047_01C19472.15E50E00
Along with the annual riding rampups of longer = days,=20 higher temps and DST, MSF advanced got scheduled.  Noteworthy = in the=20 chat with the (probably temp) signer-upper --
 
Noteworthy #1
She --"May I have your SocSec number, = please"
 
Me -- "Hmmm, I do not like to give that out unless = absolutely=20 necessary these days.  I've been through this in the past with = MSF. =20 Hasn't there been some relief yet?  (pleading tone of voice).  =
 
S -- "Just a second, I'll check"
 
20sec
 
S -- OK, we'll assign you a student ID.  It'll = come on=20 your confirmation a couple of weeks before class. 
 
M -- Very large smile.  "Thank you and your = organization=20 for fixing this"
 
Noteworthy #2
 
S-- You'll be required to pay for = parking.
 
M -- Huh?
 
S -- yes.  We used to send out passes but this = year=20 everyone pays for parking.  Bring quarters for meters.  =
 
M -- On Sunday?  For the 4 class hours?  = While all=20 that pavement sits. 
 
S -- yes, sorry.  (Patient explanation about=20 costs.). 
 
M -- OK.  Will be interested in how this plays = out. =20
 
 
    MSF Advanced at NVCC = Loudoun.  8-5=20 Sundays beginning late April.  $60 +parking!  703 450 2551 to=20 register. 
 
Bill S. / DC
'99 VN750 II --> Hey boss.  = I've been=20 to Hogwarts.  Can disappear.  No parking!
Join the = AMA.  Help=20 protect my riding fun.
------=_NextPart_000_0047_01C19472.15E50E00-- From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 3 19:13:13 2002 From: "mobacc" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Lanesplitting + Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 17:06:57 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0054_01C19479.0CE25E00 Have to chime in with Paul Wilson. Definitely support legislative = spearheads re l/s in Virginia and Maryland: The "leave it alone" = approach seems to make sense in DC where us lanesplitting/filtering = aliens have blended in with the street chaos. =20 Re: DC code investigations. Was there a mention (in Dr. Gridlock?) of = driverdoor opening as an obstruction being illegal in DC (remember the = associated thread here a while ago). Can the code be verified? Seems = to dovetail with lanesplitting strategies. =20 Paul mentioned "congestion mitigation tools". There are small, strong = signs of recognition: Motorcycle Consumer News 10/01 -- "The mayor of = London has unveiled a radical plan to ease traffic congestion . . .. = Starting in 2003, anyone driving a car into the city limits of London = will have to pay a toll booth "congestion charge" of 5 pounds {abt = $7.50} per day. However, the charge will *not apply to motorcyclists*." = [MCN emphasis] And it was noted somplace that during much of the traffic banning = around Ground Zero in NYC, *only motorcycles* were let in. =20 Little grins become smiles become . . .. Bill S. / DC '99 VN750 II --> Fat free gas is how I stay lanesplittingly skinny Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 07:39:42 -0800 (PST) From: Aaron Subject: Lane splitting To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (This was brought up in years past, but not indulge me again, if you will.) Out of curiousity, I spent some time going through the traffic law section of the DC code over the holidays. Interestingly, unlike VA and MD, there doesn't appear to be any explicit prohibition on sharing a lane/lane splitting. (I've been told that this is the case in CA too . . . there is no prohibition on lane splitting, ergo, it is allowed). Has anyone received a ticket for lane-splitting in DC? Do you remember what you were charged with? Has anyone been pulled for lane-splitting and NOT received a ticket? Thanks [My project this year is to try to get lane-splitting legitimized in DC (since we now rank up there with CA for traffic congestion). Anyone who wants to help, let me know.] __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com "Paul Wilson" To: "dc-cycles list" Subject: Re: Lane splitting Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 11:50:30 -0500 I think they can nail you for something vague and catch all like = "improper lane use" in DC if a cop takes umbrage at your MC antics. You're right, though, unlike our state/commonwealth neighbors the D. of C. has no explicit ban on lane-sharing. I wouldn't = make to much noise about the statute, though, it could backfire as the same = "get tough on traffic scofflaws" folks on the Council that brought you speed cameras might think they need to correct that little anomaly in the DC Code. Lane splitting = and filtering is largely tolerated by custom, if not by statute. I'd rather leave well enough alone. Funny, you never hear motorcycles promoted as congestion mitigation = tools. Instead you hear about expensive transit schemes and new highways. = Their small size, excellent acceleration and nimble handling makes most bikes = very good urban vehicles. Instead we are sometimes the objects of pity, as = if we're too poor to afford a car. "Honey, I hope you have a car too and aren't going to ride that thing all winter." <
Have to chime in with Paul Wilson.  Definitely = support=20 legislative spearheads re l/s in Virginia and Maryland:  The "leave = it=20 alone" approach seems to make sense in DC where us = lanesplitting/filtering=20 aliens have blended in with the street chaos. 
 
Re: DC code investigations. Was there a mention = (in Dr.=20 Gridlock?) of driverdoor opening as an obstruction being illegal in DC = (remember=20 the associated thread here a while ago).  Can the code be=20 verified?  Seems to dovetail with lanesplitting strategies. =20
 
Paul mentioned "congestion mitigation = tools".  =20 There are small, strong signs of recognition:  Motorcycle Consumer = News=20 10/01 -- "The mayor of London has unveiled a radical plan to ease = traffic=20 congestion . . ..  Starting in 2003, anyone driving a car into the = city=20 limits of London will have to pay a toll booth "congestion charge" of 5 = pounds=20 {abt $7.50} per day.  However, the charge will *not apply to=20 motorcyclists*."  [MCN emphasis]
    And it was noted somplace that = during much=20 of the traffic banning around Ground Zero in NYC, *only motorcycles* = were let=20 in. 
 
Little grins become smiles become . . = ..
 
Bill S. / DC
'99 VN750 II --> Fat free gas = is how I=20 stay lanesplittingly skinny
Join the AMA.  Help protect my riding=20 fun.
 
Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 07:39:42 -0800=20 (PST)
From: Aaron <jarvis22201@XXXXXX>
Subject: = Lane=20 splitting
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX

(This = was brought=20 up in years past, but not indulge me
again, if you will.)

Out = of=20 curiousity, I spent some time going through the
traffic law section = of the DC=20 code over the holidays.
Interestingly, unlike VA and MD, there = doesn't=20 appear
to be any explicit prohibition on sharing a=20 lane/lane
splitting.  (I've been told that this is the case = in
CA too=20 . . . there is no prohibition on lane
splitting, ergo, it is=20 allowed).

Has anyone received a ticket for lane-splitting in=20 DC?
 Do you remember what you were charged with?  = Has
anyone=20 been pulled for lane-splitting and NOT received
a=20 ticket?

Thanks

[My project this year is to try to get=20 lane-splitting
legitimized in DC (since we now rank up there with = CA
for=20 traffic congestion).  Anyone who wants to help,
let me=20 know.]


__________________________________________________
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Send your FREE holiday greetings online!
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"Paul Wilson" <pawilson@XXXXXX>
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Subject: Re: Lane=20 splitting
Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 11:50:30 -0500
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I think they can nail you for something vague and = catch all=20 like "improper
lane use" in DC if a cop takes umbrage at your MC=20 antics.  You're right,
though, unlike our=20 state/commonwealth
neighbors the D. of C. has no explicit ban on=20 lane-sharing.  I wouldn't make
to much noise about the statute, = though,=20 it could backfire as the same "get
tough on traffic scofflaws" folks = on the=20 Council that brought you speed
cameras might think
they need to = correct=20 that little anomaly in the DC Code.  Lane splitting = and
filtering is=20 largely tolerated by custom, if not by statute.  I'd = rather
leave well=20 enough alone.
 
Funny, you never hear motorcycles promoted as = congestion=20 mitigation tools.
Instead you hear about expensive transit schemes = and new=20 highways.  Their
small size, excellent acceleration and nimble = handling=20 makes most bikes very
good urban vehicles.  Instead we are = sometimes the=20 objects of pity, as if
we're too poor to afford a car.  "Honey, = I hope=20 you have a car too and
aren't going to ride that thing all = winter." =20 <<Actual quote from DC DMV
clerk when I went to register the = VF500 last=20 week, decked out in full
Aerostich costume.  Little do they = suspect that=20 we're the ones having fun on
the way to work.
 
Paul in DC
95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F
www.wilsonline.org
------=_NextPart_000_0054_01C19479.0CE25E00-- From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 4 08:15:03 2002 From: "Bruhl, George LT" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Road debris Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 08:14:26 -0500 > daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > > My question for you is.. who do you endanger when you wheelie? > > > > Danny > > > > Yourself, and anyone within striking distance when you shithouse. Not to mention > those behind you who now have the problem of dodging a crunching bike and a > splatting rider. > > Bill One would think...running over a downed bike would take out the undercarriage of just about anything save a jacked up 4x4. Hell if a soft fluffy deer can total a car... imagine hitting 500 pounds of metal not to mention 100+ pounds of soft fluffy human tissue. The following is a TRUE STORY: I had a convict on a road crew throw a shovel out in front of me once.... I hit the throttle, ran over the shovel, snapped the handle and sent the broken handle back into the ditch where the "chain gang" was working. I did a sliding stop, stopped directly in front of the watch officer and trustee, raised my face shield and yelled... "that sh1t ain't funny" looking back in my rear view I noticed some dude holding his head, like he took a hit from a wooden projectile. Gunned it, spun around and made a dramatic hollywood exit.... all on a Suzuki GS750. Point.... none, just bragging. From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 4 09:55:00 2002 Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 06:54:58 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: warranty services - eg. warrantybynet To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX With the miles racking up on my Nighthawk I stumbled across www.warrantybynet.com while searching for warranty options for a car I'm in the process of buying (ford focus wagon). Has anyone used warrantybynet's services? Your opinions? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 4 10:13:32 2002 Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 10:12:31 -0500 Subject: Where can I get a battery? From: Richard Westbrook To: DC-Cycles I tried to start my bike this morning so I could bring it into work and leave it in our garage. After being out in the cold for a few weeks without starting the bike, it came as no surprise that it would start. Also, its the original battery in a 95 VFR. Where can I get a motorcycle battery in Northern VA? I'd rather not go to Coleman unless I have to, and would rather not mail order it because I would like to get this taken care of tomorrow. Thanks Rich From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 4 10:20:54 2002 Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 07:20:52 -0800 (PST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Fwd: RE: Today's AMA News To: DC-Cycles Not a good motorcycle day... These were forwarded to me by a COGger acquaintance of mine who is in the Air Force. AF had a 3d MC fatal late Dec. Stat shows "member struck PMV4 while passing in an intersection". Not sure where the "11WG" is. (11WG = Bolling) And even worse, on the AMA web page: (talk about a picture being worth 1000 words!) http://www.amadirectlink.com/releases/flcrash.asp Couple on a motorcycle killed in an accident, apparently the SUV owner never even stopped until her car caught on fire. Louis __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 4 10:50:29 2002 Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 10:48:30 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Rob Winters Subject: Re: Where can I get a battery? The last time I was in Trak Auto at Lee and Harrison, they were trying to sell out their cycle batteries: manager's special, 30% off. Not sure if it's still going on or if you'll find a match-up. Bring along some model numbers of batteries that fit, because they had no application guide there. I bought one battery from discountmotorcyclebattery.com, but it came without electrolyte, so them you have to so hunting for someone who sells that. The Trak batteries come with electrolyte. /// Rob From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 4 11:24:55 2002 Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 11:24:50 -0500 From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Subject: warranty services - eg. warrantybynet Matthew asked - ...searching for warranty options for a car I'm in the process of buying (ford focus wagon). Has anyone used warrantybynet's services? Your opinions? I have no direct experience with the company you mention Aftermarket warranty companies offer to cover repairs at typically lower prices than factory warranties. They do this by being very selective about what they cover and don't cover, and operate much like auto insurance companies... They also advertise the 'convenience' of choosing your own mechanic, and they simply pay ONLY WHEN THE REPAIR IS COMPLETE. I've been active on the SVT / Cobra / SCOA email list since' '98, and 3 of us had aftermarket warranty issues, all strikingly similar (seriously, change the names, and you'd think it was the other guy's story). mine went like this - 05/00, loud rattling coming from Cobra's motor. File claim, haul to shop (which purported to be experts in the 32valve Cobras). 3 weeks, diagnosed as bad catalytic converter, replaced (my expense as it was my pipe), but that wasn't it. Allstate, my warranty company, required a full engine tear down and positive diagnosis of the exact cause. I had to agree to pay if the repair wasn't covered. That cost $1300, took over a 2 weeks and no failed part could be identified. Ford repair records indicate that this symptom can arise from parts of the valve train, and they simply replace the motor rather than spend weeks mic'ing the parts to find the individual failure. The engine can last for 100,000 miles like this, or 100 miles depending on what's out of spec and how bad. This had no sway on Allsate, "no diagnosis, no money". after 2 more weeks, they finally identified a seized cam chain tensioner, a $55 part.. On reassembly, another problem was identified (here's where things get interesting) the car knocked & detonated terribly from 2k - 4k rpms. Allstate wouldn't pay, and the shop couldn't identify the problem. By now, the repair bill was $5000.00 plus the tear down. Finger pointing began, I convinced the shop to get a 2nd opinion rather than work on it after hours every night like they were doing. We mutually agreed on the shop, ( I actually had procured a tow truck & driver to tow the car from that shop so I could get another mechanic to work on it since the current mechanic had screwed up so bad ). The 2nd shop had a fancy dyno & data logging set up that identified the computer had been sending erroneous signals to the ignition, which were not visible to code scanners, and that it likely was electrically damaged. I finally picked up the car early December, 2000, 7 months of down time, about $7k of repairs. Did I mention that they only covered 4 days of rental car ? It was much more entertaining than the missive above, and 2 other Cobra owners have had almost identical hassles with the repairs (initial denials of coverage for anything over $800, apparently, an industry standard), only covering the part that failed, not related parts which have to be replaced, etc...) My vote - get the factory extended warranty. Dave Yates -- Pop3Now Personal, Get quick remote access to your email accounts! Sign Up Now! Visit http://www.pop3now.com/personal From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 4 11:51:31 2002 Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 11:48:09 -0500 Subject: Re: Where can I get a battery? To: rwestbrook@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "garcia oliver" Have you tried recharging it? Might work (use small-amperage charger!). If you can't find a battery in NOVA (unlikely---most places should carry it), I have one. --garcia rwestbrook@XXXXXX writes: >I tried to start my bike this morning so I could bring it into work and >leave it in our garage. After being out in the cold for a few weeks >without >starting the bike, it came as no surprise that it would start. Also, its >the >original battery in a 95 VFR. Where can I get a motorcycle battery in >Northern VA? I'd rather not go to Coleman unless I have to, and would >rather >not mail order it because I would like to get this taken care of tomorrow. From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 4 11:53:56 2002 From: "Jon Strang" To: Subject: RE: warranty services - eg. warrantybynet Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 11:52:55 -0500 Extended warranties are a 90% profit margin industry for both the factories and the aftermarket sellers. If it is worth tossing 90% of all of your extended warranty dollars down a rat hole so that you can sleep better, do so. Otherwise, take all of your potential warranty payments, for appliances, cars, bikes, etc., and toss them in your savings account. Most likely, you'll have enough in there to pay for any repairs, and you have zero hassles. Of course, there's a small likelihood that you'll be the one loser with a serious malfunction after the original warranty expires. Hopefully you manage your credit well enough to pay for it with your zero-balanced VISA. Then again, if you are so leveraged that you can't take the hit of a major repair to one of life's great toys... --jon 01 Suz Bandit 1200 From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 4 12:26:15 2002 Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 12:26:10 -0500 From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Subject: RE: warranty services Jon pointed out - Extended warranties are a 90% profit margin industry for both the factories and the aftermarket sellers. Yup. If it is worth tossing 90% of all of your extended warranty dollars down a rat hole so that you can sleep better, do so. Sometimes they pay off, it depends. I probably wouldn't do it on a Focus. I would on a tow rig. I did on my Lightning... While It was a major league PITA to get them to pay, Allstate did cough up over $5k to rebuild my Cobra motor, plus another $800 on a new dash cluster & computer. saved me about $5200.00... Of course, there's a small likelihood that you'll be the one loser with a serious malfunction after the original warranty expires. And that's what it all comes down to. ObMoto: does anyone offer motorcycle extended warranties ? Dave -- Pop3Now Personal, Get quick remote access to your email accounts! Sign Up Now! Visit http://www.pop3now.com/personal From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 4 13:53:49 2002 From: Brian Roach To: "Jon Strang" , Subject: Re: warranty services - eg. warrantybynet Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 13:53:40 -0500 Ouch... If I wasn't paying attention, I might think *I* posted that! :) - Roach P.S. -> Please accept a much belated Merry Christian-holiday-stolen-from-the-pagans-to-wipe-out-their-religion, happy new year, and all that. I haven't been keeping up with my email at ALL the last month or so. On Friday 04 January 2002 11:52, Jon Strang wrote: > Of course, there's a small likelihood that you'll be the one loser with a > serious malfunction after the original warranty expires. Hopefully you > manage your credit well enough to pay for it with your zero-balanced VISA. > > Then again, if you are so leveraged that you can't take the hit of a major > repair to one of life's great toys... > > --jon > 01 Suz Bandit 1200 From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 4 13:59:30 2002 Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 10:59:28 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: warranty services - eg. warrantybynet To: jmstrang@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Jon Strang wrote: > Extended warranties are a 90% profit margin industry for > both the factories and the aftermarket sellers. > > If it is worth tossing 90% of all of your extended > warranty dollars down a rat hole so that you can sleep > better, do so. > > Otherwise, take all of your potential warranty payments, > for appliances, cars, bikes, etc., and toss them in your > savings account. Most likely, you'll have enough in there > to pay for any repairs, and you have zero hassles.1 ^^^ you were missing a footnote: 1. ducati owners should disregard the above statement and purchase the longest factory extended warranty available -- tg > Of course, there's a small likelihood that you'll be the > one loser with a > serious malfunction after the original warranty expires. > Hopefully you > manage your credit well enough to pay for it with your > zero-balanced VISA. > > Then again, if you are so leveraged that you can't take > the hit of a major repair to one of life's great toys... > > --jon > 01 Suz Bandit 1200 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 4 14:04:57 2002 From: Brian Roach To: Tom Gimer , jmstrang@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: warranty services - eg. warrantybynet Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 14:04:51 -0500 On Friday 04 January 2002 13:59, Tom Gimer wrote: > > you were missing a footnote: > > 1. ducati owners should disregard the above statement and > purchase the longest factory extended warranty available Hey!! They're not defective.... they're just.... finicky... :) They should, however, come with a very large bag of spare bolts so you can quickly replace the ones that vibrate loose then fall off. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 4 15:01:51 2002 Subject: RE: Re: warranty services - eg. warrantybynet From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 15:01:42 -0500 To: "roach@XXXXXX" , "t_gimer@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Haven't you heard of Loctite??? %^) Original Message: ----------------- From: Brian Roach roach@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 14:04:51 -0500 To: t_gimer@XXXXXX, jmstrang@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: warranty services - eg. warrantybynet They should, however, come with a very large bag of spare bolts so you can quickly replace the ones that vibrate loose then fall off. -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 4 15:07:25 2002 Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 12:07:18 -0800 (PST) From: Trey Herb Subject: RE: Re: warranty services - eg. warrantybynet To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Loctite???? Isn't that what your bike did Tom? Trey --- "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" wrote: > Haven't you heard of Loctite??? %^) > > Original Message: > ----------------- > From: Brian Roach roach@XXXXXX > Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 14:04:51 -0500 > To: t_gimer@XXXXXX, jmstrang@XXXXXX, > dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: warranty services - eg. warrantybynet > > > > They should, however, come with a very large bag of > spare bolts so you can > quickly replace the ones that vibrate loose then > fall off. > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > http://mail2web.com/ . > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 4 15:13:49 2002 From: "rdrdr" To: Subject: RE: Where can I get a battery? Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 15:13:22 -0500 Last week I was at K-Mart at the end of Connecticut Ave. (Behind Cycles USA) and saw that they carried some motorcycle batteries. Might be worth checking. Niv BMW F650ST _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 4 15:32:45 2002 Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 15:32:39 -0500 From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Subject: Re: warranty services Trey asks - Loctite???? Isn't that what your bike did Tom? Don't know about that, but I *have* used 'lock tight' periodically in the same sentence as my wife... seems to happen an inordinate amount of time on 'Two Wheel Tuesday'... Dave -- Pop3Now Personal, Get quick remote access to your email accounts! Sign Up Now! Visit http://www.pop3now.com/personal From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 4 15:47:24 2002 From: Brian Roach To: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" , "roach@XXXXXX" , "t_gimer@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Re: warranty services - eg. warrantybynet Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 15:47:18 -0500 On Friday 04 January 2002 15:01, cvkgpena@XXXXXX wrote: > Haven't you heard of Loctite??? %^) You, sir, have never owned a Ducati. :) Until they come out with "Loctite Ultra-Red formula", I fear will continue to lose bolts. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 4 15:49:48 2002 Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 15:49:13 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: warranty services - eg. warrantybynet To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Cc: "roach@XXXXXX" , "t_gimer@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" wrote: > > Haven't you heard of Loctite??? %^) Not sure about the DUCs, but Loctite did horrible nasty things to the ABS plastic on my Connies. Be very, very careful using that stuff... Horkster -- MSL! SMG! (Chatty Moron TM's) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth AWSHIDT #322 - Completed. 99 Highway Signs! '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 4 16:52:36 2002 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Richard Westbrook" Cc: "dc-cycles list" Subject: Re: Where can I get a battery? Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 16:54:49 -0500 Hi Rich, I'm probably going to need a new battery soon too, so I did some checking around. The OEM replacement for the 94-97 VFR is a Yuasa YTX12-BS maintenance free. Interestingly enough Wal-Mart sells an Everstart ES12-BS. I'd be willing to bet a month's wages that these batteries are exactly the same, except for the decals thereon. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Richard Westbrook" > > > >> I tried to start my bike this morning so I could bring it into work and > >> leave it in our garage. After being out in the cold for a few weeks > > without > >> starting the bike, it came as no surprise that it would start. Also, its > > the > >> original battery in a 95 VFR. Where can I get a motorcycle battery in > >> Northern VA? I'd rather not go to Coleman unless I have to, and would > > rather > >> not mail order it because I would like to get this taken care of tomorrow. > >> > >> Thanks > >> Rich > >> > >> > > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 4 17:20:11 2002 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 17:17:33 -0500 Subject: SPAM - 85 Toyota Tercel Wagon From: Tom Fitzpatrick 85 Toyota Tercel Wagon for sale. Offers? Thanks, Tom From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 4 17:38:03 2002 From: "ROBERSON, Brian" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Where can I get a battery? Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 17:37:48 -0500 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C19570.6FC45C60 One thing I noticed about some of the Wal Mart batteries I recently checked out, was they were not maintenance free... Just my 2 cents. I think most of the Yuasa are maint-free. Brian 99VFR -----Original Message----- From: Paul Wilson [mailto:pawilson@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 4:55 PM To: Richard Westbrook Cc: dc-cycles list Subject: Re: Where can I get a battery? Hi Rich, I'm probably going to need a new battery soon too, so I did some checking around. The OEM replacement for the 94-97 VFR is a Yuasa YTX12-BS maintenance free. Interestingly enough Wal-Mart sells an Everstart ES12-BS. I'd be willing to bet a month's wages that these batteries are exactly the same, except for the decals thereon. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Richard Westbrook" > > > >> I tried to start my bike this morning so I could bring it into work > >> and leave it in our garage. After being out in the cold for a few > >> weeks > > without > >> starting the bike, it came as no surprise that it would start. > >> Also, its > > the > >> original battery in a 95 VFR. Where can I get a motorcycle battery > >> in Northern VA? I'd rather not go to Coleman unless I have to, and > >> would > > rather > >> not mail order it because I would like to get this taken care of tomorrow. > >> > >> Thanks > >> Rich > >> > >> > > > ------_=_NextPart_001_01C19570.6FC45C60 RE: Where can I get a battery?

One thing I noticed about some of the Wal Mart = batteries I recently checked out, was they were not maintenance free... = Just my 2 cents.  I think most of the Yuasa are = maint-free.

Brian
99VFR

-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Wilson [mailto:pawilson@XXXXXX= ]
Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 4:55 PM
To: Richard Westbrook
Cc: dc-cycles list
Subject: Re: Where can I get a battery?


Hi Rich,

I'm probably going to need a new battery soon too, so = I did some checking around.  The OEM replacement for the 94-97 VFR = is a Yuasa YTX12-BS maintenance free.  Interestingly enough = Wal-Mart sells an Everstart ES12-BS. I'd be willing to bet a month's = wages that these batteries are exactly the same, except for the decals = thereon.

Paul in DC
95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Richard Westbrook" = <rwestbrook@XXXXXX>
> >
> >> I tried to start my bike this morning = so I could bring it into work
> >> and leave it in our garage. After = being out in the cold for a few
> >> weeks
> > without
> >> starting the bike, it came as no = surprise that it would start.
> >> Also,
its
> > the
> >> original battery in a 95 VFR. Where = can I get a motorcycle battery
> >> in Northern VA? I'd rather not go to = Coleman unless I have to, and
> >> would
> > rather
> >> not mail order it because I would like = to get this taken care of
tomorrow.
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >> Rich
> >>
> >>
> >
>

------_=_NextPart_001_01C19570.6FC45C60-- From dc-cycles-request Sat Jan 5 09:39:45 2002 From: "Kevin Bechtel" To: Subject: motorcycle battery Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 09:40:54 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C195CD.12247CE0 Just about anyone that sells batteries will have them. I.E. Wal-Mart, = Batteries plus,Interstate, NAPA, or any local auto parts for that = matter. Trak auto, Pep Boys etc... Happy hunting! ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C195CD.12247CE0
Just about anyone that sells batteries = will have=20 them. I.E. Wal-Mart, Batteries plus,Interstate, NAPA, or any local auto = parts=20 for that matter. Trak auto, Pep Boys etc...   Happy=20 hunting!
------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C195CD.12247CE0-- From dc-cycles-request Sat Jan 5 19:46:05 2002 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, hawkgt-l@XXXXXX, Thumper@XXXXXX Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 19:43:37 -0500 Subject: Re: SPAM - 85 Toyota Tersely Wagon - $700 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 9-6,8-11,13-14,18-19,32-33,36-37,38-32767 From: Tom Fitzpatrick This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ----__JNP_000_094a.7ca1.00a2 More Information below. I apologize for the second spam, but I will be using the money to buy a bike tomorrow, hopefully. $700 Near Potomac Mills, near the intersection of Smoketown and Minnieville Roads. 85 Toyota Tercel Wagon, 4 door, cast wheels, decent appearance, blue color. Runs, was used as the car to go to the commuter lot until I got a 92 Sable with air conditioning. Now, I just use it to go to the home depot or take the dog places. It got emissions last year, so I don't think it would need it until 2/03. The right CV joint could use replacement, but I have driven it like this for three years, and the previous owner did the same for a period before that. The front brakes were good at the last inspection. The rear brake pads were borderline, but passed. Since I have driven it very little, I imagine the same is true now. The car runs strong but has two idiosyncracies I cannot figure out. One, it surges, perhaps a vacumn leak. It has done that since I have owned it, and it passed emissions last year that way. Two, sometimes, when it is first started up, particularly on damp mornings, it runs rough, as if on less than four cylinders. Once it heats up it seems to run fine. Also, even when still cold, it will run strong if you rev it higher. Again, it might be a vacum problem, but I don't know. Automatic transmission. Radio works. Air Conditiong "works", but leaks freon, so right now it doesn't work and won't hold freon for very long. Cruise Control. That's about it. Tom (703) 670-5525 ----__JNP_000_094a.7ca1.00a2
More Information below.  I apologize for the second spam, but I = will=20 be using the money to buy a bike tomorrow, hopefully.
 
$700
 
Near Potomac Mills, near the intersection of Smoketown and Minnieville= =20 Roads.
 
85 Toyota Tercel Wagon, 4 door, cast wheels, decent appearance, blue=20 color.  Runs, was used as the car to go to the commuter lot until I = got a=20 92 Sable with air conditioning.  Now, I just use it to go to the home = depot=20 or take the dog places.
 
It got emissions last year, so I don't think it would need it until=20 2/03.  The right CV joint could use replacement, but I have driven it = like=20 this for three years, and the previous owner did the same for a period = before=20 that.  The front brakes were good at the last inspection.  The = rear=20 brake pads were borderline, but passed.  Since I have driven it very=20 little, I imagine the same is true now.  The car runs strong but has = two=20 idiosyncracies I cannot figure out.  One, it surges, perhaps a vacumn= =20 leak.  It has done that since I have owned it, and it passed emissions= last=20 year that way.  Two, sometimes, when it is first started up, = particularly=20 on damp mornings, it runs rough, as if on less than four cylinders.  = Once=20 it heats up it seems to run fine.  Also, even when still cold, it will= run=20 strong if you rev it higher.  Again, it might be a vacum problem, but = I=20 don't know.
 
Automatic transmission.  Radio works.  Air Conditiong "works= ",=20 but leaks freon, so right now it doesn't work and won't hold freon for very= =20 long.  Cruise Control.  That's about it.
 
Tom (703) 670-5525
----__JNP_000_094a.7ca1.00a2-- From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 6 13:45:00 2002 From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'SabMag'" , "'DCCycles'" Subject: Driving Lights Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 13:47:53 -0500 Another argument for installing a pair of driving lights. <$20 at Wally Mart. Not a guarantee but IMHO, they certainly improve your odds. Plus, if your headlight goes out, you still have illumination as well as conspicuity. http://www.amadirectlink.com/news/90_days.asp - A 36-year-old Michigan man who killed a motorcyclist and injured the motorcyclist's passenger in a traffic crash has been sentenced to 90 days in jail. On September 30, 2000, Norman Walton turned his pickup truck into the path of a motorcycle ridden by Stephan Shemanski, 43, in the Grand Rapids area. Shemanski was killed and his passenger, daughter Melissa Shemanski, 19, was injured. Walton was found guilty of causing a fatality while driving with a suspended license and faced up to 15 years in prison. In handing down that sentence, the judge in the case basically absolved car drivers of the responsibility of looking for motorcyclists. "The driving in this case was the kind almost anyone would have done," Judge H. David Soet said, according to the Grand Rapids Press. "Anyone who has practiced law in this city for over 30 years, as I have, knows that people don't see motorcycles. They somehow overlook them." Carl in Bethesda From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 6 13:56:30 2002 From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Cc: "'rwestbrook@XXXXXX'" Subject: Where can I get a battery? Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 13:59:23 -0500 wondered Westbrook. As other's have noted, there isn't much magic about a motorcycle battery (despite YUSA's hype) Sam's and Wally Mart (& K-Mart) have 'em. Friend of mine bought MC batteries at: Battery Warehouse, 395 E Gude Dr, Rockville, MD 20850 (301) 294-9420 FWIW, they had the next best price for Accord batteries (Sam's was a tad cheaper) Carl (the parsimonious) in Bethesda From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 6 19:10:47 2002 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 19:08:39 -0500 Subject: Batteries on Sale at Track X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 2-4,6,8,10 From: Tom Fitzpatrick The Trak Auto at the intersection of the Prince William Parkway and Smoketown Road has it's batteries on clearance. Don't know about other Trak's. Tom Fitzpatrick CCS#80'6 (www.celticracing.com) Sponsors: *Fast Lane Cycles - fastlanecycles@XXXXXX (703)818-8890 (www.fastlanecycles.com)* *Barnacle Bill's Racing Leathers - barnacle@XXXXXX (www.racingleather.com)* *Nuts and Bolts Racing Racer Web Sites - rchapin@XXXXXX (www.nbracesites.com)* *Janet Bell TAX Preparation, Accounting and Consulting (belljan@XXXXXX)* From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 7 08:15:48 2002 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 08:15:22 EST Subject: Re: Driving Lights To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 1/6/2002 1:45:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, Carl.Custer@XXXXXX writes: > Another argument for installing a pair of driving lights. > <$20 at Wally Mart. Not a guarantee but IMHO, they certainly improve your > odds. Not necessarily! When you are backlit (Setting sun, etc.) lights punch a "hole" in your silhouette making you MUCH harder to see. I had a friend _killed_ that way, the car simply could not see him. Also the inability of the human eye to focus for any length of time on a bright spot makes judging our speed and distance much harder for the car drivers. The point being, there are NO simple solutions, if people do not look they will not see no matter what you do and they do not look! Relying on light to "Make them see you" is a dangerous fallacy. Back when bikes had light switches and light on was a discussion not a law (damn I am old!) I tried riding with and without my lights on to compare the difference. I found no difference in the behavior of cars with or without lights. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European is now necessary {and I still like it.}) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 7 10:24:27 2002 Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 10:24:00 -0500 From: Mike Jay To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: battery lore Even in Mathews County the local NAPA had a 1982 Kawasaki 700 LTD battery in stock. I just got the YUSA numbers off of the battery and called on the phone. These bike batteries are common for tractors, boats, etc. Of course I had to pour in the acid my self, but hey, it was a sunny day :) Good luck, mikejay zn700a2 From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 7 10:40:09 2002 Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 10:40:03 -0500 From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Subject: battery lore Even in Mathews County the local NAPA had a 1982 Kawasaki 700 LTD battery in stock. Must be a 'common' type of battery. A couple of years ago, I got my bike back from some work JUST before Memorial day weekend. Saturday AM OF Memorial day weekend, the battery was D E A D . I called the mechanic who worked on it... put him on speaker, as I loaded rounds in to my AKS 47 magazines... He apologized profusely, and actually offered a new battery to me and to stay past normal closing so I could get it. I thanked him & let him know I'd try to find a closer one & let him know. It's a ZX11, not a Duc... Only 2 close bike shops ; closed & didn't have one, respectively. Auto stores, 5 of them - no dice. Called Sears in Waldorf, MD...waited. guy says, yeah, I got m/c batteries, we're open, come on down, pretty sure we have that one. I got there, and couldn't find the one I needed. He searched in back, then came out & we started opening boxes to find one with the terminals oriented correctly. On the back of the shelf, behind all the H*nda batteries, were 3 or 4 11 batteries - WOOHOO! A beautiful, sunny, warm Memorial day weekend saved by sears... Whodathunkit ? Dave -- Pop3Now Personal, Get quick remote access to your email accounts! Sign Up Now! Visit http://www.pop3now.com/personal From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 7 10:50:03 2002 Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 10:49:33 -0500 From: "Robert Beatty" To: Subject: Trailer Rental I will be in need of a 5 bike Trailer in May over the Holiday week. I'm seeking information on Rentals or maybe even purchase. Can anyone Help? thanks From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 7 11:45:35 2002 Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 11:44:27 -0500 Subject: Re: Where can I get a battery? From: Richard Westbrook To: "'DCCycles'" Thanks for everyone's help on my battery search. It seems that 9 out of 10 motorcyclists recommend Wal-Mart for their battery needs, and now I see why. I got to Wal-Mart and after a bit of searching found the right battery for my VFR. Got it home, put in the acid, put it in the bike, and started up no problem. -Rich From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 7 12:06:44 2002 Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 12:01:39 -0500 (EST) From: hcaldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Filthy Biker Scum http://www.observer.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,628352,00.html Hugh From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 7 16:34:52 2002 Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 16:34:17 EST From: LakeSueE@XXXXXX Subject: International Motorcycle Show To: Has anyone been to the International Motorcycle Shows? Do you think it is worth it to check it out up in Philly? Here is the website that I found it on: http://www.motorcycleshows.com/philadelphia/home.asp Sue '86 Elim. From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 7 16:40:48 2002 Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 13:40:45 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: International Motorcycle Show To: LakeSueE@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Sure, the Int'l Moto shows are a yearly pilgrimage for a lot of folks on this list. Two years ago we actually hired a tour bus to take everyone up to New York and back. Last year a lot of us went to the Philly show since it's closer. I'll be going to the Philly show again this year with a few other listmembers. There are a lot of vendors (leather, accessories, etc.) and most manufacturers have elaborate displays with floor models you can sit on. It's a fun trip, especially if you are looking to buy a bike soon or want some accessories. Chris Weaver --- LakeSueE@XXXXXX wrote: > Has anyone been to the International Motorcycle > Shows? Do you think it is worth it to check it out > up in Philly? > > Here is the website that I found it on: > > http://www.motorcycleshows.com/philadelphia/home.asp > > Sue > '86 Elim. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 7 17:03:56 2002 From: RichH@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: International Motorcycle Show Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 17:03:12 -0500 But is there anything there I couldn't see at the mighty Coleman Powersport??? -----Original Message----- From: Chris Weaver [mailto:chris_vtr@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 4:41 PM To: LakeSueE@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: International Motorcycle Show Sure, the Int'l Moto shows are a yearly pilgrimage for a lot of folks on this list. Two years ago we actually hired a tour bus to take everyone up to New York and back. Last year a lot of us went to the Philly show since it's closer. I'll be going to the Philly show again this year with a few other listmembers. There are a lot of vendors (leather, accessories, etc.) and most manufacturers have elaborate displays with floor models you can sit on. It's a fun trip, especially if you are looking to buy a bike soon or want some accessories. Chris Weaver --- LakeSueE@XXXXXX wrote: > Has anyone been to the International Motorcycle > Shows? Do you think it is worth it to check it out > up in Philly? > > Here is the website that I found it on: > > http://www.motorcycleshows.com/philadelphia/home.asp > > Sue > '86 Elim. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 7 17:09:20 2002 Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 17:10:48 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Justin Lemrow Subject: Re: International Motorcycle Show and this year... tour bus? Justin At 01:40 PM 1/7/2002 -0800, you wrote: >Sure, the Int'l Moto shows are a yearly pilgrimage for >a lot of folks on this list. Two years ago we actually >hired a tour bus to take everyone up to New York and >back. Last year a lot of us went to the Philly show >since it's closer. I'll be going to the Philly show >again this year with a few other listmembers. > >There are a lot of vendors (leather, accessories, >etc.) and most manufacturers have elaborate displays >with floor models you can sit on. It's a fun trip, >especially if you are looking to buy a bike soon or >want some accessories. > >Chris Weaver 1999 VFR 800 Northern VA/Washington DC From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 7 17:09:44 2002 Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 14:09:42 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Weaver Subject: RE: International Motorcycle Show To: RichH@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Yes, quite a lot. There are more manufacturers, race bikes, concept bikes and vendors than you'd get at PoserRide. And you don't have to deal with the jackasses that work at that ripoff joint. Chris --- RichH@XXXXXX wrote: > But is there anything there I couldn't see at the > mighty Coleman > Powersport??? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Weaver [mailto:chris_vtr@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 4:41 PM > To: LakeSueE@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: International Motorcycle Show > > Sure, the Int'l Moto shows are a yearly pilgrimage > for > a lot of folks on this list. Two years ago we > actually > hired a tour bus to take everyone up to New York and > back. Last year a lot of us went to the Philly show > since it's closer. I'll be going to the Philly show > again this year with a few other listmembers. > > There are a lot of vendors (leather, accessories, > etc.) and most manufacturers have elaborate displays > with floor models you can sit on. It's a fun trip, > especially if you are looking to buy a bike soon or > want some accessories. > > Chris Weaver > > > --- LakeSueE@XXXXXX wrote: > > Has anyone been to the International Motorcycle > > Shows? Do you think it is worth it to check it > out > > up in Philly? > > > > Here is the website that I found it on: > > > > > http://www.motorcycleshows.com/philadelphia/home.asp > > > > Sue > > '86 Elim. > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! > http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 9 00:04:18 2002 Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 00:03:00 -0500 Subject: "We Can't Go On Meeting Like This, Deer"; or "No Blood, No Fowl" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "garcia oliver" The other night, about midnight, I was taking the road (I thought) less traveled: a tributary to Rock Creek Parkway. Narrow 2-lane, wooded, twisty. On a motorcycle, of course. Going around one curve, I saw two or three deer, maybe five yards off the road. I slowed from around 35 to 20 mph. As I came close, one of them bolted and ran directly into me. I felt the impact on my right arm and leg---donM-^Rt know if the bike was also hit. Solid bugger. Knocked me into the oncoming lane (no traffic, fortunately), but no other damage (aside from suddenly mis-aimed headlight and dead turn signals). Continued about a hundred yards, turned and went back but deer departed 8^)---hope it was ok. I was about as lucky as you can get: (1) a hit from the left side would probably have bumped me off the road. (2) The deer hitting the bike anywhere other than the middle might have sent it spinning. (3) It didnM-^Rt jump in front of me; (4) No traffic. On thing I wonder about: did my slowing down actually spook the deer into running? Any thoughts on this? --garcia "It seemed like a good idea...at the time." From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 9 08:34:08 2002 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 08:33:53 EST Subject: Re: "We Can't Go On Meeting Like This, Deer"; or "No Blood, No Fowl" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 1/9/2002 12:05:41 AM Eastern Standard Time, garicao@XXXXXX writes: > On thing I wonder about: did my slowing down actually spook the deer into > running? Any thoughts on this? > Yes. Never try to out think a deer... Deer do not think and you will lose. The question is, how fast do you want to be going when you hit (are hit by) a deer? John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European is now necessary {and I still like it.}) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 9 08:59:20 2002 Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 08:57:36 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" To: garcia oliver CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: "We Can't Go On Meeting Like This, Deer"; or "No Blood, No Fowl" Dern deer. That happened to my friend in southern MD. A deer blasted out of the woods and broadsided him, bruising his leg which whammered his gas tank and left a small dent, and twisting the frame of the leather saddlebag. He stayed on the road and saw the deer tumble and lope into the woods in his rear view mirror. Question: Why do deer hunters aim for the lung shot? Answer: Because a head shot would require pin-point accuracy to hit a brain the size of a pea. Bill garcia oliver wrote: > The other night, about midnight, I was taking the road (I thought) less > traveled: a tributary to Rock Creek Parkway. Narrow 2-lane, wooded, > twisty. On a motorcycle, of course. Going around one curve, I saw two or > three deer, maybe five yards off the road. I slowed from around 35 to 20 > mph. As I came close, one of them bolted and ran directly into me. I > felt the impact on my right arm and leg---donM-^Rt know if the bike was also > hit. Solid bugger. Knocked me into the oncoming lane (no traffic, > fortunately), but no other damage (aside from suddenly mis-aimed headlight > and dead turn signals). Continued about a hundred yards, turned and went > back but deer departed 8^)---hope it was ok. > > I was about as lucky as you can get: (1) a hit from the left side would > probably have bumped me off the road. (2) The deer hitting the bike > anywhere other than the middle might have sent it spinning. (3) It didnM-^Rt > jump in front of me; (4) No traffic. > > On thing I wonder about: did my slowing down actually spook the deer into > running? Any thoughts on this? > > --garcia > > "It seemed like a good idea...at the time." From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 9 09:02:57 2002 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 09:02:49 EST Subject: Re: Where can I get a battery? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 1/7/2002 11:46:42 AM Eastern Standard Time, rwestbrook@XXXXXX writes: > put in the acid, put it in > the bike, and started up no problem. Put that sucker on a trickle charger! Not charging a battery fully before putting it into use drastically shortens its life. And then of course keep it charged or you will just have to buy another one in the spring. Also note that your bikes charging system will not do the job unless you are riding more then just around the block "to charge the battery." John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European is now necessary {and I still like it.}) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 9 09:08:21 2002 Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 09:08:15 -0500 From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Subject: "No Blood, No Fowl" Garcia O recounted his near miss - ... > On thing I wonder about: did my slowing down actually spook the deer into running? Any thoughts on this? > Yes. Never try to out think a deer... Deer do not think and you will lose. The question is, how fast do you want to be going when you hit (are hit by) a deer? 1st, GO, glad you're ok. Deer can be 'temporarily' mezmerized by bright lights. This has the effect of 'freezing them in place' while in your path. It's temporary, but varies from animal to animal. They would be spooked by a sight, sound or smell that they weren't accustomed to. So, if they were 'local' deer, they'd be less likely to bolt if they were not about to be hit (on the side of the road). Now, if those particular deer "werent frum 'round here", not used to traffic... If you saw their eyes, then you likely froze them, and slowing gave them time to recover and figure out that you were a potential predator and they should leave at warp factor 8... I also (like John) think that you were indeed wise to slow down, so that we can all laugh it off considering the minimal 'damage'. I say - Garcia 1, Deer 0 . I give Garcia a 7 (he didn't KILL the deer, but did avoid serious damage ! ;-) Dave Yates -- Pop3Now Personal, Get quick remote access to your email accounts! Sign Up Now! Visit http://www.pop3now.com/personal From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 9 09:28:31 2002 Subject: RE: We Can't Go On Meeting Like This, Deer; or No Blood, No Fowl From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 09:28:20 -0500 To: "garicao@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Garcia, Glad to hear you survived your deer encounter relatively unscathed. Unlike some other people we know ... we won't mention any names! %^) As far as I can tell, how deer react is totally random. Why this deer chose to cross the road rather than running away in the other direction, only the deer knows for sure (and probably not even then). Slowing down probably gave the deer more time to react and thus hit you. But you also probably greatly minimized the potential damage by going slower. On the other hand, maybe if you had just whacked the throttle wide open it never would've happened! %^) Chuck, aka Deerhunter Original Message: ----------------- From: garcia oliver garicao@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 00:03:00 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: "We Can't Go On Meeting Like This, Deer"; or "No Blood, No Fowl" I was about as lucky as you can get: (1) a hit from the left side would probably have bumped me off the road. (2) The deer hitting the bike anywhere other than the middle might have sent it spinning. (3) It didnM-^Rt jump in front of me; (4) No traffic. -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 9 09:57:14 2002 Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 09:52:08 -0500 (EST) From: hcaldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: "We Can't Go On Meeting Like This, Deer"; or "No Blood, No Fowl" On Wed, 9 Jan 2002, garcia oliver wrote: > On thing I wonder about: did my slowing down actually spook the deer into > running? Any thoughts on this? > Glad you're OK. You might try honking your horn before you get upto the deer so that they'll bolt before you reach them. Hugh From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 9 10:28:51 2002 Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 07:28:45 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: what a lousy commute!! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX is this the first day of school or something? Or is it just that people can't drive at all? Springfield to Herndon is my route and on a no-traffic day (New Years) it takes 35 minutes. Normally closer to an hour. 495 is normally backed up from Duke street to Tysons (and purhaps further). This morning it was backed up way south of Braddock road. Braddock road west bound can be rough from about 2 miles out from RT123. It was stopped from just beyond Burke Lake Road. RT 7100 is often heavy but not normally too bad between 123 and RT-66. It was crawling from way south of burke Lake road so I went across and into Clifton. Clifton was typical for the time of day, 30mph but it kept moving. THen I tried to turn off onto Compton road but it was blocked by the fire department because a school bus somehow got side-ways. I got over to RT-28 to go north from Braddock Road and decided it was not going to be pretty, so went back south to Compton road and did an end-run into Herndon via West OX road. The roads didn't seem so bad with alll the sand, muck, mud, and whatnot as long as one took it easy. I am so glad I have heated gloves and vest and fresh tires on the bike. I can't imagine what it must be like to ride in these temps without the heat augmentation. When I switched them off for a mile or so I was getting very cold, very quickly. And that's with 2 shirts, a widder vest (off for the moment), a medium-weight jacket, liner and my MC jacket on top. And when I got to work a hot cup of chocolate was all I could think of... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 9 10:41:29 2002 Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 10:41:08 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: what a lousy commute!! At 10:28 AM 1/9/02, matthew patton wrote: >The roads didn't seem so bad with alll the sand, muck, >mud, and whatnot as long as one took it easy. Hope everyone made it in ok today. There actually was quite a bit of black ice in Clifton. Two cars got sideways on Newman road and hit a telephone pole. I saw at least 5 cars off the road in various states of disarray. I didn't slide once in the warm, toasty truck ;-) It only took 2 hours to get to work - normally 40mins. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 9 10:48:37 2002 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "matthew patton" , Subject: Re: what a lousy commute!! Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 10:53:03 -0500 I think the problem was overpasses icing up, on 66 in particular. The road was shut down for a time. I didn't have any problems in my neck of the woods with ice, although traffic was horrible. I think the fearmonger traffic/weather reporters were alarming people unnecessarily. Lane splitting on 395 in the District would have been soooo nice this morning. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F ----- Original Message ----- From: "matthew patton" > is this the first day of school or something? Or is it > just that people can't drive at all? > > Springfield to Herndon is my route and on a no-traffic > day (New Years) it takes 35 minutes. Normally closer > to an hour. > > 495 is normally backed up from Duke street to Tysons > (and purhaps further). This morning it was backed up > way south of Braddock road. > > road west bound can be rough from about 2 > miles out from RT123Braddock . It was stopped from just beyond > Burke Lake Road. > From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 9 10:55:31 2002 Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 07:55:21 -0800 (PST) From: stephen cutchins Subject: Re: "We Can't Go On Meeting Like This, Deer"; or "No Blood, No Fowl" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I had a very similar incident once. I was riding my DR350 dual sport, riding back from doing some dirt biking. I saw a deer on the side of the road by an embankment. I was going maybe 50 and was very close to the deer, so I just pulled in the clutch and moved to the center of the road, hoping I could coast by. Wrong. It saw me and started to jump up the embankment and run, but I think it saw another deer up there and got even more spooked so it ran right in front of me. I swerved but hit it's eye with my right knee, so hard it pulled my leg back and nearly ripped me off the bike. My right lat was actually strained from trying to hold onto the bars. I pulled over and put the kickstand down and then literally fell off of the bike into the road, holding my knee, trying to breath. It felt like someone hit me with a baseball bat. I didn't break anything amazingly enough, but my knee was sore for a very long time. I did manage to ride home but I had to dangle my leg the whole time. The funniest thing was that I had gone to see the doctor, just that morning, about damage to my LEFT knee from a previous crash. As I was laying in the road, the minivan that was following me a ways back starts honking its horn. What a jerk, I'm thinking. They pull over and check on me, it turns out they were honking at the deer that was walking around all loopy in the road. So to FINALLY answer your question, if I see a deer now I slow as much as possible and coast by in neutral. For some reason they seem to spook from motorcycles much more easily, and I, like you, don't ever want any part of my body meeting any part of a deer's body ever again!! --- garcia oliver wrote: > The other night, about midnight, I was taking the > road (I thought) less > traveled: a tributary to Rock Creek Parkway. Narrow > 2-lane, wooded, > twisty. On a motorcycle, of course. Going around > one curve, I saw two or > three deer, maybe five yards off the road. I slowed > from around 35 to 20 > mph. As I came close, one of them bolted and ran > directly into me. I > felt the impact on my right arm and leg---donM-^Rt know > if the bike was also > hit. Solid bugger. Knocked me into the oncoming > lane (no traffic, > fortunately), but no other damage (aside from > suddenly mis-aimed headlight > and dead turn signals). Continued about a hundred > yards, turned and went > back but deer departed 8^)---hope it was ok. > > > I was about as lucky as you can get: (1) a hit from > the left side would > probably have bumped me off the road. (2) The deer > hitting the bike > anywhere other than the middle might have sent it > spinning. (3) It didnM-^Rt > jump in front of me; (4) No traffic. > > On thing I wonder about: did my slowing down > actually spook the deer into > running? Any thoughts on this? > > --garcia > > "It seemed like a good idea...at the time." > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 9 11:04:56 2002 Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 11:04:17 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: what a lousy commute!! To: matthew patton Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX matthew patton wrote: > > is this the first day of school or something? Or is it > just that people can't drive at all? I think the roads were icy this morning, that caught folks unprepared for some reason (hmm, temps under 32, precipitation, SURPRISE!!!) Heard about a 18 car pile-up on the I-66 offramp to 123 South, that may have caused the spillover to all the other local roads in the area. Interestingly, my ride in from Dale City to Manassas to Chantilly was more or less normal. I get off of 28 North just about the time it starts to back up. Glad I didn't go through Clifton this morning (I seldom do in the mornings) - those roads could be terrible if there was black ice present. Electrics sure are nice this time of year... :) As always, ride safe, Horkster -- MSL! SMG! (Chatty Moron TM's) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth AWSHIDT #322 - Completed. 99 Highway Signs! '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 9 11:08:07 2002 Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 11:07:34 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: "We Can't Go On Meeting Like This, Deer"; or "No Blood, No Fowl" To: stephen cutchins Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX stephen cutchins wrote: > For some reason they seem to spook from > motorcycles much more easily, and I, like you, don't > ever want any part of my body meeting any part of a > deer's body ever again!! Not a fan of venison, I'm guessing. :) Horkster -- MSL! SMG! (Chatty Moron TM's) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth AWSHIDT #322 - Completed. 99 Highway Signs! '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 9 11:14:07 2002 From: Cedric Bernescut To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: what a lousy commute!! Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 11:13:59 -0500 First time I can recall the traffic person on WMAL virtually giving up. She said there wasn't enough time to list all the accidents. They did interview the VA state police who specifically told people to pull over until things eased up. I was surprised to see two motorcycle LEO's in DC today as I walked to work from Foggy Bottom metro; I couldn't understand how they could ride and I could barely stand up on the icy sidewalk :) This was one day I definitely didn't mind taking the bus. Cedric 1996 CBR600F3- RIP I think the fearmonger traffic/weather reporters were alarming people unnecessarily. Lane splitting on 395 in the District would have been soooo nice this morning. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 9 11:19:39 2002 Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 08:19:37 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: what a lousy commute!! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Horkster wrote: > Heard about a 18 car pile-up on the I-66 offramp > to 123 South, that may have caused the spillover > to all the other local roads in the area. they'll have a 10 care pile-up there in 90 degree summer days! The dorks who want to make the next left at the light end up blocking and diving across 3 lanes of traffic and cause all kind of mayhem. It's absolutely nuts. I just stay right and motor on by and then do a nice and orderly set of lane changes in the empty road and nicely pull into the turn lane at the end of it. Just got to watch the morons who come shooting out of the hotel parking lot (and between 2 lines of stopped cars) without even trying to look. What is this? Gas it and hope you don't get creamed?!? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 9 11:57:13 2002 Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 08:57:11 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: "We Can't Go On Meeting Like This, Deer"; or "No Blood, No Fowl" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Horns don't seem to work in my experience. I came around a corner on Rt.55 and had 3 of the little buggers in the middle of the road about 100 yards off. I have dual air horns on my bike, and I laid into them the entire way as I braked to about 15mph before they pranced off. They did not move until I was about 10 yards away. My advice. Brake haard, brake early and wear armor. Todd --- hcaldwell wrote: > > On Wed, 9 Jan 2002, garcia oliver wrote: > > > On thing I wonder about: did my slowing down > actually spook the deer into > > running? Any thoughts on this? > > > > Glad you're OK. > > You might try honking your horn before you get upto > the > deer so that they'll bolt before you reach them. > > Hugh > ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 9 12:25:33 2002 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Cedric Bernescut" , Subject: Re: what a lousy commute!! Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 12:29:45 -0500 Well, DC, to their credit, had salted all the 395 overpasses and 14th St. Bridge by the time I left the house. Sounds like VDOT was not on the ball again, big surprise huh. On my walk home from the gym this morning at zero dark thirty, I did see someone execute a spectacular pratfall on the sidewalk, so there was ice around. Paul in DC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cedric Bernescut" > First time I can recall the traffic person on WMAL virtually giving up. She > said there wasn't enough time to list all the accidents. They did interview > the VA state police who specifically told people to pull over until things > eased up. I was surprised to see two motorcycle LEO's in DC today as I > walked to work from Foggy Bottom metro; I couldn't understand how they could > ride and I could barely stand up on the icy sidewalk :) This was one day I > definitely didn't mind taking the bus. > Cedric > 1996 CBR600F3- RIP > > I think the fearmonger traffic/weather reporters were alarming people > unnecessarily. Lane > splitting on 395 in the District would have been soooo nice this morning. > > Paul in DC > 95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F > From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 9 13:48:51 2002 Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 12:34:00 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Justin Lemrow Subject: Re: "We Can't Go On Meeting Like This, Deer"; or "No Blood, No Fowl" Damn Deer. Glad you're ok. I hate deer. as a few people on this list can attribute to , i STOP for deer. I figure since they are completely unpredictable, I just assume stop, see what the hell they're up to and then mosey along slowly. I used to think they're cute, pretty nice too look at... then one jumped out in front of me a while cruising along at 55 (posted speed limit). Totalled my VFR. Justin Deer 1, Justin 0 1999 VFR 800 Northern VA/Washington DC From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 9 14:47:25 2002 Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 14:45:42 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" To: Justin Lemrow CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: "We Can't Go On Meeting Like This, Deer"; or "No Blood, No Fowl" Damn tourists too! Many moons ago, while chugging down Skyline Drive at the offical Harley pace (casual), I rounded a bend and almost planted my trusty steed into a BIG BUTT! Well, it wasn't that big, kind nice looking actually, but the dumb tourist babe had stepped out onto the road and hunkered over with camera in hand to snap a pic of (drum roll) BAMBI munching on the veggies! Jeezzz louise! Another few feet and she woulda had Dunlop tracks on her cooter. Bill Justin Lemrow wrote: > Damn Deer. Glad you're ok. I hate deer. as a few people on this list can > attribute to , i STOP for deer. I figure since they are completely > unpredictable, I just assume stop, see what the hell they're up to and then > mosey along slowly. I used to think they're cute, pretty nice too look > at... then one jumped out in front of me a while cruising along at 55 > (posted speed limit). Totalled my VFR. > > Justin > Deer 1, Justin 0 > > 1999 VFR 800 > Northern VA/Washington DC From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 9 15:14:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web20106.mail.yahoo.com (web20106.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.43]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g09KEcj29893 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 15:14:38 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020109201436.36655.qmail@web20106.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.205.6.30] by web20106.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 09 Jan 2002 12:14:36 PST Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 12:14:36 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: time for race-tire thread? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Been digging thru the archives but can't find the info I'm looking for. This season my schedule looks to be pretty busy and that despite limiting myself to CCS events at Summit Pt, VIR and Rouch Creek (assuming they get around to finishing it). I'm on my last set of BT-96's which are really quite fresh. Where can I find more? Specifically anyone have the contact info for the guy who shows up at Summit in the Bridgestone truck? As for other options I can use 110/70/17 front and 150/60/17 rears on my little GS500. To that end I can fit Michelin TX15/25's Michelin Pilot Race Metz Rennsport, RS1, RS2's Metz ZR3 race Pirelli Supercorsa, SC1, SC2's Pirelli Dragon Corsa Race I'm going to dig up the brit bike mag comparo they did recently, but they tested with big-power GSXR's, not my puny little guy. Are any of the above perfectly racable in the wet? (BT-96's are horrible in that respect I've been led to understand) TIA __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 9 15:17:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from msnawa58.usi.net (msnawa58.usi.net [209.135.43.202]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g09KHOj29976 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 15:17:24 -0500 (EST) Received: by msnaex05.usi.net with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 15:17:07 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Bell, Rob (Washington)" To: "DC Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: need a lawyer Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 15:16:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" for a friend. no, really it's not for me. anyway, could someone send me the name/# of the DC Cycles approved "get off a reckless driving charge" lawyer? I think it was carlton penn or some such. pls send reply off list and thanks in advance for the help. Keep the shiny side up! R '00 ZX-9R Voodoo '96 VFR From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 9 15:32:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net (blount.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.226]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g09KWcj00370 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 15:32:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from pool-63.49.116.123.bltm.grid.net ([63.49.116.123] helo=cfoatty3) by blount.mail.mindspring.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16OPN7-0007jf-00; Wed, 09 Jan 2002 15:30:53 -0500 Message-ID: <005901c1994c$f5823540$7b74313f@cfoatty3> From: "Roy D. Turner, Esq." To: "Allen, Edward" , , "BJ" , "Brad" , "Brian Roach" , "Brian Thomasson" , "Carroll Hartman" , , , "Chris Holloway" , "Chris Weaver" , "Christy Mandeville" , "Craig B. Davis" , "Daniel P. Barrera" , , "David Reed" , , "Dexter Medley" , "Dick Anker" , "Douglas Boyd" , "Elizabeth C. Griffin" , , "Etha Shifflett" , "George Cole" , "George Marzloff" , "George Townsend" , "J. Bernard Tate" , "Jeannette" , "Kevin Bechtel" , , "Larry Peters" , , , , "Matthew Patton" , , , "Paul Hernandez" , "Phillips, Brad E" , "Phillips, Bradley" , , "Razz Man" , "RBG" , "Rex Turner" , , "roshan wilson" , "Roy D. Turner, Esq." , "SPH" , , "stephen cutchins" , "Stephen Harris" , "Tom Gimer" , , "Tracy Houck" , "VTLA general Membership ListServ" , "VTLAPlaintiff" , , "William J. Huson" Subject: Possible Worm Virus!! Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 15:32:37 -0500 Organization: CF&O MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Please do not open any Email from me if it has an attachment. I believe I have some sort of Worm virus. I am in the process of installing Norton Antivirus 2002. Hopefully this will resolve the proble. Roy D. Turner, Esq. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 9 15:41:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from msnawa58.usi.net (msnawa58.usi.net [209.135.43.202]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g09Kfnj00483 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 15:41:49 -0500 (EST) Received: by msnaex05.usi.net with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 15:41:44 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Diep, Tuan (Washington)" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: International Motorcycle Show Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 15:41:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I went to the show in NY back in Dec. Besides bikes from all the major makers, there were about a dozen custom choppers and a few tricked out sportbikes from locals shops. The highlight, in my opinion, was B. Bostrom's limited edition Ducati. Also saw the wild-looking concept bike from Honda. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 9 15:53:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g09Kr0j00723 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 15:53:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from pool-63.49.113.228.bltm.grid.net ([63.49.113.228] helo=cfoatty3) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16OPhX-0008R2-00; Wed, 09 Jan 2002 15:52:00 -0500 Message-ID: <001301c1994f$fa963a60$e471313f@cfoatty3> From: "Roy D. Turner, Esq." To: "Allen, Edward" , , "BJ" , "Brad" , "Brian Roach" , "Brian Thomasson" , "Carroll Hartman" , , , "Chris Holloway" , "Chris Weaver" , "Christy Mandeville" , "Craig B. Davis" , "Daniel P. Barrera" , , "David Reed" , , "Dexter Medley" , "Dick Anker" , "Douglas Boyd" , "Elizabeth C. Griffin" , , "Etha Shifflett" , "George Cole" , "George Marzloff" , "George Townsend" , "J. Bernard Tate" , "Jeannette" , "Kevin Bechtel" , , "Larry Peters" , , , , "Matthew Patton" , , , "Paul Hernandez" , "Phillips, Brad E" , "Phillips, Bradley" , , "Razz Man" , "RBG" , "Rex Turner" , , "roshan wilson" , "Roy D. Turner, Esq." , "SPH" , , "stephen cutchins" , "Stephen Harris" , "Tom Gimer" , , "Tracy Houck" , "VTLA general Membership ListServ" , "VTLAPlaintiff" , , "William J. Huson" Subject: Virus Warning!! Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 15:55:19 -0500 Organization: CF&O MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 I was infected by the w32 badtrans b@mm virus. Do not open any EMails with attachments from me. Norton Antivirus 2002 solved the problem. I am sorry for any trouble caused. Roy D. Turner www.cfolaw.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 9 16:51:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from atlanta.pop3now.com (pop3now.com [209.195.15.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g09LpNj01671 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 16:51:23 -0500 (EST) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by atlanta.pop3now.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) id g09LpIm25696; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 16:51:18 -0500 Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 16:51:18 -0500 Message-Id: <200201092151.g09LpIm25696@atlanta.pop3now.com> From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Subject: need a lawyer www.motorists.org - the NMA. They have an excellent lawyer referral system, and a plethora of tools for defending yourself if you choose to go that route. for a friend. RIIIIIGHT... no, really it's not for me. anyway, could someone send me the name/# of the DC Cycles approved "get off a reckless driving charge" lawyer? Reckless in what terrirory ? Dave -- Pop3Now Personal, Get quick remote access to your email accounts! Sign Up Now! Visit http://www.pop3now.com/personal From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 9 19:54:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from stmpy-1.cais.net (stmpy-1.cais.net [205.252.14.71]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0A0ssj04684 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 19:54:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from micron (dynamic241.cl8.cais.net [205.177.20.241]) by stmpy-1.cais.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id g0A0sqv12973 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 19:54:53 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <001501c19956$119ca400$f114b1cd@micron> From: "mobacc" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Re: "We Can't Go On Meeting Like This, Deer"; or "No Blood, No Fowl" Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 16:39:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Headsup appreciated. On occasional RCP night trips almost had myself convinced that those deer were smart enough to avoid obnoxious, hard vehicles. As tonight's planned Beach Road route should be cloudy-moonless to boot it will probably be foresaken. Bill S. / DC '99 VN750 II --> Bright eyes but not a leaper Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 00:03:00 -0500 Subject: "We Can't Go On Meeting Like This, Deer"; or "No Blood, No Fowl" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "garcia oliver" The other night, about midnight, I was taking the road (I thought) less traveled: a tributary to Rock Creek Parkway. Narrow 2-lane, wooded, twisty. On a motorcycle, of course. Going around one curve, I saw two or three deer, maybe five yards off the road. I slowed from around 35 to 20 mph. As I came close, one of them bolted and ran directly into me. I felt the impact on my right arm and leg---donM-^Rt know if the bike was also hit. Solid bugger. Knocked me into the oncoming lane (no traffic, fortunately), but no other damage (aside from suddenly mis-aimed headlight and dead turn signals). Continued about a hundred yards, turned and went back but deer departed 8^)---hope it was ok. . . .snip From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 9 20:32:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0A1WUj05320 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 20:32:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-69-118.s372.tnt8.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.69.118] helo=c9rnf01) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16OU4z-0004Ut-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 09 Jan 2002 20:32:29 -0500 Message-ID: <001701c19976$b60ed2e0$76452c42@c9rnf01> From: "Todd Peer" To: "AA DC Cycles" Subject: what a lousy commute!! Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 20:32:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 07:28:45 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: what a lousy commute!! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX is this the first day of school or something? Or is it just that people can't drive at all? Springfield to Herndon is my route and on a no-traffic day (New Years) it takes 35 minutes. Normally closer to an hour. ------------------------------------------------------- Same commute, only to Reston. I jumped ship at 123 and slowly made my way to Popes head road trying to figure out why the hell there was som much traffic. Popes Head was a good call as I was able to skirt past a bunch of traffic, but DAMN! Slid sideways in a right hander (cage) into the other lane. No one coming thankfully. Todd (Springfield) From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 9 20:37:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0A1baj05417 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 20:37:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-69-118.s372.tnt8.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.69.118] helo=c9rnf01) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16OU9v-0005ZQ-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 09 Jan 2002 20:37:36 -0500 Message-ID: <001f01c19977$6c899b40$76452c42@c9rnf01> From: "Todd Peer" To: "AA DC Cycles" Subject: need a lawyer Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 20:37:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Reckless in what terrirory ? Dave ---------------------------------------- Who are you? 'Roobi 'Roo? From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 10 10:31:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web13001.mail.yahoo.com (web13001.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.11]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g0AFV9j18049 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 10:31:09 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020110153107.93533.qmail@web13001.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [198.26.122.12] by web13001.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 07:31:07 PST Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 07:31:07 -0800 (PST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Mason Dixon 20-20 - 2002 announcement! To: DC-Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi folks, Wanted to let you know that the registration for the 2002 Mason Dixon is open (actually has been open for a while, I should have let you know sooner). This will be a multi-day (36 hour) rally starting/ending in York, PA. In fact it will be the only multi-day competitive rally east of the Rockies this year. This year it will again run Memorial Day weekend (May 25-26) There will be several route options to choose from (similar to the "Pick Your Poison" from the Iron Butt Rally). The region where bonus locations will be available is currently defined by: Sault Ste Marie, ON to the North; Lubec, ME to the East; Jacksonville, FL to the South; and, the Mississippi River to the West. We are working hard to make sure that information for bonus locations will be MUCH CLEARER than last year. Hopefully down to what street/block the bonus will be on. (so hopefully Todd Peer won't have to scribble down another nasty note to us!) Plus we are trying to be sure the items we pick for bonus locations are more permanent so they won't disappear overnight. Also, after much arm twisting, we agreed that 400 bonus locations was NOT a good idea. (the person who suggested 800 locations was given a quick funeral) To those who got toys and other gifts for the wildcard bonii last year, the kids at the Johns Hopkins Children's Center are enjoying them as prizes in bingo games. There will again be the option to just try for your Saddle Sore 1000, or a Bun Burner. For more information, see http://www.masondixon20-20.org/ Dale, will you attempt to raise your standings from last year? (We are considering a new rule against switching bikes with spousal units, so no repeat performances!!) Louis Caplan ===== "Admiral" Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours Fairfax, VA Co-Planner, MD20-20 http://www.masondixon20-20.org/ Home Page: http://www.geocities.com/nighthawk700/cycle.htm __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 10 11:11:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail.ncifcrf.gov (mail.NCIFCRF.GOV [129.43.100.100]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0AGBTj18581 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 11:11:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from S040091 (mitko1.NCIFCRF.GOV [129.43.47.173]) by mail.ncifcrf.gov (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0AGBOa18342; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 11:11:25 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <4.2.2.20020110092021.00c5a100@mail.ncifcrf.gov> X-Sender: wilsonl@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 09:23:16 -0500 To: "Louis F. Caplan" , DC-Cycles From: Lori Wilson Subject: Re: Mason Dixon 20-20 - 2002 announcement! In-Reply-To: <20020110153107.93533.qmail@web13001.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed >Wanted to let you know that the registration for the 2002 Mason Dixon is open >(actually has been open for a while, I should have let you know sooner). This >will be a multi-day (36 hour) rally starting/ending in York, PA. I rode this last year- entirely in the rain- slept on wet pavement in the parking lot of the second check point- and still had a blast! I highly recommend this rally... > Also, after >much arm twisting, we agreed that 400 bonus locations was NOT a good idea. >(the person who suggested 800 locations was given a quick funeral) This is a good thing See you all there!! From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 10 11:12:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from pmesmtp02.wcom.com (pmesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.20.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0AGCYj18646 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 11:12:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42257) id <0GPQ00I01D086N@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 16:12:08 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp03.wcomnet.com ([166.38.58.143]) by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42257) with ESMTP id <0GPQ00GCBD07HS@XXXXXX>; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 16:12:08 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp03.wcomnet.com by dgismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with SMTP id <0GPQ00D01D073S@XXXXXX>; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 16:12:07 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.49]) by dgismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with ESMTP id <0GPQ009LJCZRCM@XXXXXX>; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 16:11:52 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 11:11:49 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Mason Dixon 20-20 - 2002 announcement! To: "Louis F. Caplan" Cc: DC-Cycles Message-id: <3C3DBD45.F0C03961@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <20020110153107.93533.qmail@web13001.mail.yahoo.com> "Louis F. Caplan" wrote: > Dale, will you attempt to raise your standings from last year? (We are > considering a new rule against switching bikes with spousal units, so no repeat > performances!!) Hey Louis, gonna be riding your bike up? Can I borrow your keys for a second... :) Hork -- MSL! SMG! (Chatty Moron TM's) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth AWSHIDT #322 - Completed. 99 Highway Signs! '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 10 11:46:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from x.thetouchstonegroup.com ([207.199.140.143]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0AGknj19185 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 11:46:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from dns1 ([138.238.141.74]) by x.thetouchstonegroup.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.3779); Thu, 10 Jan 2002 11:46:44 -0500 Message-ID: <002801c199f6$f2e20db0$4a8dee8a@winternett.com> From: "mbrodie" To: , References: <200201100000.g0A001Q03790@dirty.meretrix.com> Subject: Close encounters of the deer kind...... Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 11:50:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jan 2002 16:46:44.0652 (UTC) FILETIME=[6316AEC0:01C199F6] Hey Garcia, I have had this kind of encounter with a male deer in Rock Creek Park. I happened about 6 months ago. I was riding home from rockville to NW DC and just getting onto beach drive when I noticed about 3 deer hanginging out by this old mill site. The biggest one, the stagg, I believe they call it, looked at me then paused. I slowed to about 20 mph to be able to avoid him if he ran in front of me but then he sized me up and began to run towards me! He was about the same height as me and the bike. I guess he figured I was a threat to his herd and wanted to defend them. He had really huge antlers, I am glad he could not catch me on the bike, cuz it would not have been pretty. It was in NW Washington DC right below Mount Pleasant, might have been the same deer? Once they start dooing that "protect the herd thing" I heard they go bad or something. Yeah, I watch nature shows and stuff. He is just a deer pimp protecting his "hoes". Peace out. Winterman 2000 yellow VFR800 RT355 Starbucks! http://www.mp3.com/winterman From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 10 15:35:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0AKZhj22441 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:35:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-116-243.s243.tnt10.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.116.243] helo=palladio1) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16OlvJ-0005C3-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:35:42 -0500 Message-ID: <007101c19a17$029180e0$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc-cycles list" References: <200201100000.g0A001Q03790@dirty.meretrix.com> <002801c199f6$f2e20db0$4a8dee8a@winternett.com> Subject: Re: Close encounters of the deer kind...... Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:39:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 From: "mbrodie" > Hey Garcia, > > I have had this kind of encounter with a male deer in Rock Creek Park. I > happened about 6 months ago. I was riding home from rockville to NW DC and > just getting onto beach drive when I noticed about 3 deer hanginging out by > this old mill site. The biggest one, the stagg, I believe they call it, > looked at me then paused. I slowed to about 20 mph to be able to avoid him > if he ran in front of me but then he sized me up and began to run towards > me! He was about the same height as me and the bike. I guess he figured I > was a threat to his herd and wanted to defend them. He had really huge > antlers, I am glad he could not catch me on the bike, cuz it would not have > been pretty. It was in NW Washington DC right below Mount Pleasant, might > have been the same deer? Once they start dooing that "protect the herd > thing" I heard they go bad or something. Yeah, I watch nature shows and > stuff. He is just a deer pimp protecting his "hoes". Peace out. > > Winterman Buck is the appropriate term for the male of the species. And make that does instead of hoes. :) As Yogi Berra is alleged to have said, "you can observe a lot by watching." Being prey animals, deer use erratic escape movements. What appears to be haphazard behavior makes perfect sense to the deer trying to elude a predator. Having grown up in the backwoods around these critters, the folklore consensus was that they have pretty good hearing (those big floppy ears) and good night vision, but good night vision means that they are easily distracted by bright lights, and have poor depth perception. Headlights really confuse them. Best advice is slow down, steer a straight course and use the horn. Remember, anything that startles them triggers a flight response. Sudden changes in your path is likely to cause even more erratic escape maneuvers on their part. Those "deer whistles" are useless. As you discovered deer are herd animals. Sometimes the males will try to distract and head off the predator (especially if he thinks you're smaller) to give the rest time to escape. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 11 18:13:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from DCHQCLEXHQ.fsis.usda.gov ([199.128.203.36]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0BNDfj17078 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 18:13:41 -0500 (EST) Received: by DCHQCLEXHQ with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 18:16:37 -0500 Message-ID: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F0666B13E@DCHQCLEXHQ> From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Cc: "'PenguinBiker@XXXXXX'" Subject: Driving Lights Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 18:16:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain I claimed, " Another argument for installing a pair of driving lights. <$20 at Wally Mart. Not a guarantee but IMHO, they certainly improve your odds." But John disagreed, "Not necessarily! When you are backlit (Setting sun, etc.) lights punch a "hole" in your silhouette making you MUCH harder to see." Strange, I find backlit vehicles more conspicuous if their lights are on. Better a shadow with light than a shadow? But John continued, "I had a friend _killed_ that way, the car simply could not see him." Hmmm, heard that before, a common excuse. Tragic to read about your loss tho. "Also the inability of the human eye to focus for any length of time on a bright spot makes judging our speed and distance much harder for the car drivers." True, point lights are sometimes difficult for folks to see. For instance when you approach a cage from behind that apparently does not sense your approach, weave back and forth in your lane so your light(s) go across the cager's retinas. In my experience, more cagers yield. Plus, with two driving lights, you have multiple points. "The point being, there are NO simple solutions, if people do not look they will not see no matter what you do and they do not look! Relying on light to "Make them see you" is a dangerous fallacy." Aye, lane placement, staying out of blind spots, common sense, are essential but I stick by my statement: "Not a guarantee but IMHO, they certainly improve your odds." Walters final tale: "Back when bikes had light switches and light on was a discussion not a law (damn I am old!) I tried riding with and without my lights on to compare the difference. I found no difference in the behavior of cars with or without lights." Arrr, I agree and recall similar behavior with my Suzuki. Light on or off seemed to make little difference. Maybe there is a threshold. Ummm 35 watt light on the Suzuki. But anecdotally, I can sense the difference between one 55 watt headlight (plus 5? watt running lights) and: two 55 watt yellow driving lights one 55 watt head light (plus 5? watt running lights) Carl (infrequently in Bethesda) Commuting into your nation's capital since 1981 through sun, rain, over snow, and around road ragers. '85 VF700S (Rocin-ahorito); '83 VF700F (666) '97 Aerostich Roadcrafter (Fred the Red) Don't need no loud pipes; I got big honking tooters: http://members.tripod.com/~v65_magna/sos_99/sat_lunch2.jpg http://www.crosswinds.net/~denbrook/Motorcycles/Events/mmc-2-17-01/Carls_Sab re.jpg From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 11 18:30:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from DCHQCLEXHQ.fsis.usda.gov ([199.128.203.36]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0BNUPj17389 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 18:30:25 -0500 (EST) Received: by DCHQCLEXHQ with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 18:33:22 -0500 Message-ID: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F0666B13F@DCHQCLEXHQ> From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Subject: "We Can't Go On Meeting Like This, Deer"; or "No Blood, No Fowl" Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 18:33:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Todd Withrow offered, "Horns don't seem to work in my experience. I came around a corner on Rt.55 and had 3 of the little buggers in the middle of the road about 100 yards off. I have dual air horns on my bike, and I laid into them the entire way as I braked to about 15mph before they pranced off. They did not move until I was about 10 yards away. My advice. Brake haard, brake early and wear armor." Excellent advice. FWIW, heading back from Sam Houston State on many a Saturday night (SHS curfew was an hour before the bars closed in College Station -- 40 years ago) there were always deer herds on the road shoulders. We found flashing the lights and tapping the horn repeatedly got their attention and turned them away (not the armadillos tho) More recently, two deer were moseying across the entrance ramp to I 270 from Democracy. The SUV ahead of me was slowed to a crawl. I came up, started tapping the (Volvo) horn and flashing the lights. Bingo, two deer hotfooting for the bushes. Oh, but beware. When you see one or two deer crossing a rural road, likely there are more following. So, watch where they came from, not where they went. Carl (You can learn from your own experience or others. What's your pain threshold?) From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 11 22:12:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net (swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.123]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0C3Cwj20622 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 22:12:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from washdc3-ar2-136-109.elnk.dsl.gtei.net ([4.43.136.109] helo=llarson.xhost.org) by swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16PEbD-0001bn-00; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 19:12:51 -0800 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020111221247.00b0de38@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 22:13:35 -0500 To: "Custer, Carl" , "'DCCycles'" From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: Driving Lights Cc: "'PenguinBiker@XXXXXX'" In-Reply-To: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F0666B13E@DCHQCLEXHQ> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 06:16 PM 1/11/2002, Custer, Carl wrote: >Don't need no loud pipes; I got big honking tooters: Look more like big tooting honkers to me... -- Larry From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 13 22:12:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail7.mgfairfax.rr.com (fe7.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.54]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0E3CZj08495 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 22:12:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from VIRGINIA.meyerweb.net ([66.61.44.24]) by mail7.mgfairfax.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.687.68); Sun, 13 Jan 2002 22:11:14 -0500 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020113220111.0299d540@pop-server.cox.rr.com> X-Sender: rmeyer@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 22:02:55 -0500 To: "'DCCycles'" From: Bob Meyer Subject: Re: Driving Lights Cc: "'PenguinBiker@XXXXXX'" In-Reply-To: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F0666B13E@DCHQCLEXHQ> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > >Walters final tale: >"Back when bikes had light switches and light on was a discussion not a law >(damn I am old!) I tried riding with and without my lights on to compare the >difference. I found no difference in the behavior of cars with or without >lights." > If you're talking about riding low beam vs. no light, I'd have to agree. But riding with high beam on in daylight, I find, makes cars significantly less likely to pull out in front of me. And riding with a headlight modulator makes a huge difference. ITW Bob Meyer '92 ST1100 STOC # 1157 From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 14 02:06:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp2.abac.com (smtp2.abac.com [216.55.128.11]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0E76aj11950 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 02:06:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from apnHOFOJOKO (14-085.068.popsite.net [64.24.90.85]) by smtp2.abac.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g0E76MD87151 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 23:06:23 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <003901c19cca$31a35880$555a1840@apnHOFOJOKO> From: "Howard J. Koontz" To: Subject: Heated gear strategy... Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 02:07:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Hey all, Well, I got my heated gear for Xmas. We got it from Mike Vlahos in Mt. Airy (a scant 15 miles form my home). I love it, I'm glad my riding season has been extended to no less than 10.5 months now instead of the customary 9 like it has been. Only problem is there's no time for winter tear-down projects when the bike doesn't stop moving, but that's OK by me. Another heated rider in my gang and I got into a discussion. Our question (we never decided on an acceptable answer) is should you continue to layer up under your jacket if you have a heated liner? Seems it takes longer to get warm if you have to heat up 5 layers of shirts/sweaters before the heat gets to your torso. But on the other hand, if the heated jacket fails for some reason (and there is always a reason on a bike with 60-year-old technology) I'll be S.O.L. and one cold S.O.B. with just a jacket, liner and long sleeve T. I guess what I'm asking for is a consensus from those of you out there who have experience with heated garments, as I have only had mine now for about 3 weeks. TIA Howard J. Koontz 2001 Harley Davidson FLHT Electra Glide Standard 1972 Honda Z50AK3 Mini Trail Resto Project From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 14 07:49:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m05.mx.aol.com (imo-m05.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.8]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0ECnbj16873 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 07:49:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from PenguinBiker@XXXXXX by imo-m05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id 2.11d.a7c070b (18405) for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 07:49:04 -0500 (EST) From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <11d.a7c070b.29742dbf@aol.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 07:49:03 EST Subject: Re: Driving Lights To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 1/13/2002 10:12:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, bob@XXXXXX writes: > If you're talking about riding low beam vs. no light, I'd have to > agree. But riding with high beam on in daylight, I find, makes cars > significantly less likely to pull out in front of me. Tried it both ways, no difference. As for modulators there werent no such animal at the time. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European is now necessary {and I still like it.}) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 14 08:51:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from voyager.int.bcop.com (bcopgate.bcop.com [204.99.250.45]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0EDpLj17819 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 08:51:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com (bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com [10.7.205.80]) by voyager.int.bcop.com (Switch-2.2.1/Switch-2.2.0) with SMTP id g0EDrUj02945 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 07:53:30 -0600 (CST) Received: from BCGATE-DOM-Message_Server by bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 07:46:54 -0600 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.5.1 Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 07:48:24 -0600 From: "George Cole" To: , Subject: Re: Heated gear strategy... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g0EDpbj17820 >> "Howard J. Koontz" wrote SNIP > should you continue >to layer up under your jacket if you have a heated liner? I have found that just a 1 or 2 layers under the liner works best for me. It takes too long to warm up otherwise. I found that the pants would get burning hot, while my multilayered top was just ok. You may just want to pack along a fleece jacket or something incase your Gerbing or electrical system fails. Cheers, George Cole 01 FZ1 From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 14 09:17:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from hosting-network.com (NODE1.HOSTING-NETWORK.COM [64.38.127.1] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g0EEHCj18270 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 09:17:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 99884 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2002 14:18:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO truck.lemrow.com) (168.73.245.57) by node-66.hosting-network.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2002 14:18:21 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020114091717.02022f68@mail.lemrow.com> X-Sender: firblt@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 09:18:41 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Justin Lemrow Subject: Re: Heated gear strategy... In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed i'd wear whatever's comfortable with the electrics (still don't know :( ) and then PACK enough to get home if the electrics fail/blow a fuse. That being said, carry and extra fuse or two and get a dry bag for the rest your stuff. Justin 1999 VFR 800 Northern VA/Washington DC From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 14 09:29:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from gecko.troutman.org ([209.120.170.19]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0EETaj18417 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 09:29:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from vulture.wheatintl.com (vulture [209.120.170.69]) by gecko.troutman.org (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g0EETIE16139 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 09:29:18 -0500 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020114092712.0261aa40@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 09:29:06 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Driving Lights In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020113220111.0299d540@pop-server.cox.rr.com> References: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F0666B13E@DCHQCLEXHQ> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Speaking as a driver, headlight modulators are very distracting ... irritating even. I would like to see them removed from the road. I have never (30k miles) had a problem being seen with a normal daytime lowbeam. At 10:02 PM 1/13/02, you wrote: >If you're talking about riding low beam vs. no light, I'd have to >agree. But riding with high beam on in daylight, I find, makes cars >significantly less likely to pull out in front of me. And riding with a >headlight modulator makes a huge difference. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 14 09:44:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0EEiaj18649 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 09:44:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-43-187.s441.tnt2.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.43.187] helo=palladio1) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16Q8Li-0002Qz-00; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 09:44:35 -0500 Message-ID: <006801c19d0a$a776d060$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Howard J. Koontz" , References: <003901c19cca$31a35880$555a1840@apnHOFOJOKO> Subject: Re: Heated gear strategy... Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 09:31:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Howard, If you talk to the Gerbing's folks they'll tell you to wear the layers over the heated garment, not under. I wear a long sleeve t-shirt or heavy-weight silk under the Gerbing jacket liner to get the wires close to the skin. I wear a sweater or thin fleece over the jacket liner and then the Aerostich over that. While it is certainly possible to crank up the heat and go without the sweater, like you I'm a little paranoid about electrical/mechanical problems leaving me freezing by the side of the road somewhere. Make sure you carry a spare fuse for the Gerbing pig tail. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F www.wilsonline.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Howard J. Koontz" > Hey all, > Well, I got my heated gear for Xmas. We got it from Mike Vlahos in Mt. > Airy (a scant 15 miles form my home). I love it, I'm glad my riding season > has been extended to no less than 10.5 months now instead of the customary 9 > like it has been. Only problem is there's no time for winter tear-down > projects when the bike doesn't stop moving, but that's OK by me. > Another heated rider in my gang and I got into a discussion. Our > question (we never decided on an acceptable answer) is should you continue > to layer up under your jacket if you have a heated liner? Seems it takes > longer to get warm if you have to heat up 5 layers of shirts/sweaters before > the heat gets to your torso. But on the other hand, if the heated jacket > fails for some reason (and there is always a reason on a bike with > 60-year-old technology) I'll be S.O.L. and one cold S.O.B. with just a > jacket, liner and long sleeve T. > I guess what I'm asking for is a consensus from those of you out there > who have experience with heated garments, as I have only had mine now for > about 3 weeks. TIA > > Howard J. Koontz From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 14 09:44:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0EEibj18652 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 09:44:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-43-187.s441.tnt2.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.43.187] helo=palladio1) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16Q8Lk-0002Qz-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 09:44:36 -0500 Message-ID: <006901c19d0a$a892a0a0$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: References: <11d.a7c070b.29742dbf@aol.com> Subject: Re: Driving Lights Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 09:46:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 I recently started riding a rat bike, an old VF500, on my commute. It has a single 55W headlight and no running lights on the front (some previous owner got rid of the stalk-mounted turn signals and replaced them with fairing-mounted turn signals w/o markers). I've noticed no sudden decrease in cager awareness of my bike as compared to the VFR's dual headlights and front markers set-up. On the other hand, a buddy of mine just got PIAA driving lights on his BMW and he swears cagers pay more attention to him. This is probably an unwinnable argument. In any event, I ride like all other road users are deaf and blind regardless of what equipment my bike is carrying. I tend to subscribe to the "it doesn't make much difference" school. I would fit additional lights on a bike so I can see better at night. Wearing bright colors and a reflective vest is probably a more effective conspicuity tool. A bright light source during the day tends to obscure your silhouette and makes it more difficult for drivers to judge your size, and, therefore, your distance and speed. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F ----- Original Message ----- From: > In a message dated 1/13/2002 10:12:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, > bob@XXXXXX writes: > > > If you're talking about riding low beam vs. no light, I'd have to > > agree. But riding with high beam on in daylight, I find, makes cars > > significantly less likely to pull out in front of me. > > > Tried it both ways, no difference. As for modulators there werent no such > animal at the time. > > > John Walters (Long John) From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 14 10:21:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.quixnet.net (psmtp1.array3.laserlink.net [63.65.123.51]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0EFLNj19343 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 10:21:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from computer (1Cust123.tnt2.lorton.va.da.uu.net [67.201.65.123]) by smtp1.quixnet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA15555 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 10:21:11 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <000a01c19d0f$5d77ff20$7b41c943@computer> Reply-To: "Kevin Bechtel" From: "Kevin Bechtel" To: Subject: VFR 800 rear wheel Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 10:23:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01C19CE5.732912C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C19CE5.732912C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm interested in finding a 180 rear wheel for a VFR. If someone on the = list knows of a source, please let me know. I've checked e-bay, and the = is nothing currently listed. Of course, I'm not interested in paying = list price for one or I'd go to the dealer and get a new one. Thanks, = Kevin CBR900RR ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C19CE5.732912C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'm interested in finding a 180 rear = wheel for a=20 VFR. If someone on the list knows of a source, please let me know. I've = checked=20 e-bay, and the is nothing currently listed. Of course, I'm not = interested in=20 paying list price for one or I'd go to the dealer and get a new = one.  =20 Thanks, Kevin CBR900RR
------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C19CE5.732912C0-- From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 14 10:52:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from gecko.troutman.org ([209.120.170.19]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0EFqIj19825 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 10:52:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from vulture.wheatintl.com (vulture [209.120.170.69]) by gecko.troutman.org (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g0EFqBE16243 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 10:52:11 -0500 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020114104839.02602910@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 10:52:05 -0500 To: From: Troutman Subject: Re: Driving Lights In-Reply-To: <006901c19d0a$a892a0a0$bb82fea9@palladio1> References: <11d.a7c070b.29742dbf@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I have heard this argument before as well, but I can't agree with it. Have you ever really been driving during the day and seen a light source on the road so bright that it has obscured your vision? The sun is _so_bright_ that it overwhelms any shadow created by an extra bright set of lights. At least, that is my opinion until I see an example first hand. The argument does ring true dawn/dusk/night though.... At 09:46 AM 1/14/02, Paul Wilson wrote: >A bright light source during the day tends to obscure your silhouette >and makes it more difficult for drivers to judge your size, and, therefore, >your distance and speed. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 14 11:12:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dgesmtp01.wcom.com (dgesmtp01.wcom.com [199.249.16.16]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0EGC2j20165 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 11:12:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42260) id <0GPX00C01RMYQV@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 16:11:22 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp03.wcomnet.com ([166.38.58.143]) by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42260) with ESMTP id <0GPX00C3BRMXKP@XXXXXX>; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 16:11:22 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp03.wcomnet.com by dgismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with SMTP id <0GPX00M01RMMT6@XXXXXX>; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 16:11:21 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.49]) by dgismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with ESMTP id <0GPX00KBTRMGRU@XXXXXX>; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 16:11:04 +0000 (GMT) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 11:11:01 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Heated gear strategy... To: "Howard J. Koontz" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3C430315.A549D609@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <003901c19cca$31a35880$555a1840@apnHOFOJOKO> "Howard J. Koontz" wrote: > > But on the other hand, if the heated jacket > fails for some reason (and there is always a reason on a bike with > 60-year-old technology) I'll be S.O.L. and one cold S.O.B. with just a > jacket, liner and long sleeve T. I've never had a whole jacket fail yet (after almost 3 years of use with the Gerbing) but I have had an occasional glove plug go bad in one of the sleeves from time to time. I tend to bring along extra warm clothing proportional to the length of the ride. On my commute, I figure I can tolerate just about any temps with no electrics for 20, 25 miles if I have to. If I'm out on a pleasure ride, I'll bring an extra sweatshirt or fleece or the like. If I'm heading to Daytona in February, then I've got lots of extras... Besides, if you are caught out and your electrics fail, chances are you are not all that far from a 24 hour Walmart or something. Wrap a newspaper around your torso under your jacket. There are always options... :) I almost didn't have to use the electrics this morning... Horkster -- MSL! SMG! (Chatty Moron TM's) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth AWSHIDT #322 - Completed. 99 Highway Signs! '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 14 11:58:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp016.mail.yahoo.com (smtp016.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.113]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g0EGwIj20845 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 11:58:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from cp93425-a.mtgmry1.md.home.com (HELO cp93425a) (67.161.33.71) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2002 16:58:06 -0000 From: "rdrdr" To: "dc-cycles" Subject: RE: Heated gear strategy... Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 11:57:48 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Howard, I only have the Aerostitch heated vest and find that unless its below 50 deg and/or a long ride, I needed very little underneath. If its colder/long ride i'll start putting some layers. It takes the heat longer to get to you but those layers hold it in quite well. On the other hand, some heat never makes it to your body (hence those layers are known as "insulation"). When its a really cold ride I can detatch the vest from the jacket (as a seperate garment), wear it over a t-shirt and wear layers OVER it, including, if necessary, the original fleece liner for the jacket. That way the heat stays close to your body and is insulated from the outside. For failures I carry a spare fuse, a credit card, and a cellphone. I don't think I can carry enough gear for real long-distance cold-weather riding if the heaters fail. That's what 7-11's are for. Niv BMW F650ST -----Original Message----- From: Howard J. Koontz [mailto:HOFOJOKO@XXXXXX] Sent: Mon, January 14, 2002 2:08 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Heated gear strategy... Our question (we never decided on an acceptable answer) is should you continue to layer up under your jacket if you have a heated liner? Seems it takes longer to get warm if you have to heat up 5 layers of shirts/sweaters before the heat gets to your torso. But on the other hand, if the heated jacket fails for some reason (and there is always a reason on a bike with 60-year-old technology) I'll be S.O.L. and one cold S.O.B. with just a jacket, liner and long sleeve T. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 14 12:50:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from cpimssmtpu03.email.msn.com (cpimssmtpu03.email.msn.com [207.46.181.79]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0EHokj21709 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 12:50:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from computer ([67.208.73.210]) by cpimssmtpu03.email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4617); Mon, 14 Jan 2002 09:49:36 -0800 From: "Ricardo Pontes" To: "Dccycles" , "Howard J. Koontz" Subject: RE: Heated gear strategy... Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 12:50:43 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <003901c19cca$31a35880$555a1840@apnHOFOJOKO> Importance: Normal X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jan 2002 17:49:36.0816 (UTC) FILETIME=[D5203B00:01C19D23] I use widder electric vest with arm chaps. I do layer my clothes. But i usually stick the vest closest to me, and built layers after that. That way the heat stays trapped inside the layers. If you build layers inside of the vest it wont be as effective. I usually wear a tshirt, the vest and chaps, a sweater, jacket. In that order. Once my heat plug cord came off and was dragging on the road, you should watch out for that, see if you can attach some sort of safety wire to the end of it so it wont catch in teh wheel or chain. Ricardo www.pileofgarbage.com Hey all, Well, I got my heated gear for Xmas. We got it from Mike Vlahos in Mt. Airy (a scant 15 miles form my home). I love it, I'm glad my riding season has been extended to no less than 10.5 months now instead of the customary 9 like it has been. Only problem is there's no time for winter tear-down projects when the bike doesn't stop moving, but that's OK by me. Another heated rider in my gang and I got into a discussion. Our question (we never decided on an acceptable answer) is should you continue to layer up under your jacket if you have a heated liner? Seems it takes longer to get warm if you have to heat up 5 layers of shirts/sweaters before the heat gets to your torso. But on the other hand, if the heated jacket fails for some reason (and there is always a reason on a bike with 60-year-old technology) I'll be S.O.L. and one cold S.O.B. with just a jacket, liner and long sleeve T. I guess what I'm asking for is a consensus from those of you out there who have experience with heated garments, as I have only had mine now for about 3 weeks. TIA Howard J. Koontz 2001 Harley Davidson FLHT Electra Glide Standard 1972 Honda Z50AK3 Mini Trail Resto Project From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 14 13:08:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from cpimssmtpu11.email.msn.com (cpimssmtpu11.email.msn.com [207.46.181.86]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0EI8jj22070 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 13:08:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from computer ([67.208.73.210]) by cpimssmtpu11.email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4617); Mon, 14 Jan 2002 10:08:39 -0800 From: "Ricardo Pontes" To: "Dccycles" Subject: roadracing school MARRC Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 13:08:43 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <3C430315.A549D609@home.com> Importance: Normal X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jan 2002 18:08:40.0274 (UTC) FILETIME=[7EAE1320:01C19D26] Anyone has ever taken this course. Its held at summit Point raceway. I have signed up for it. But there are a bunch of things you need to do to your motorcycle in order to get in. Safety wire and taping of headlights and such. Can dual sport and dirt bikes get in the track as well or is it just road bikes? Im thinking of just getting my r1 changed over by my local dealer, he might know what to do better than i. I am buying some damaged plastic to put on it instead of the new plastic it has on it right now. I would like to know how to handle it better in a controlled setting, no intention on racing, i will be going at my own pace at the track. Ricardo www.pileofgarbage.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 14 13:12:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0EICSj22176 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 13:12:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-112-110.s110.tnt8.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.112.110] helo=palladio1) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16QBas-0006Ee-00; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 13:12:27 -0500 Message-ID: <003301c19d27$b0dacfe0$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Dale Horstman" Cc: "dc-cycles list" References: <003901c19cca$31a35880$555a1840@apnHOFOJOKO> <3C430315.A549D609@home.com> Subject: Re: Heated gear strategy... Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 13:12:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dale Horstman" > > Besides, if you are caught out and your electrics fail, chances are > you are not all that far from a 24 hour Walmart or something. Wrap > a newspaper around your torso under your jacket. There are always > options... :) > Newspapers to cut the wind: that used to be one of the bicyclist's little tricks, in the days of wool jerseys before "space age" fabrics. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 14 13:18:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dgesmtp01.wcom.com (dgesmtp01.wcom.com [199.249.16.16]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0EIIdj22278 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 13:18:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42260) id <0GPX00H01XIW9D@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 18:18:32 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp04.wcomnet.com ([166.38.58.144]) by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42260) with ESMTP id <0GPX00G8OXIWVR@XXXXXX>; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 18:18:32 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp04.wcomnet.com by dgismtp04.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with SMTP id <0GPX00C01XIUC1@XXXXXX>; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 18:18:32 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.49]) by dgismtp04.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with ESMTP id <0GPX008O8XIJ7N@XXXXXX>; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 18:18:19 +0000 (GMT) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 13:18:16 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Heated gear strategy... To: Paul Wilson Cc: dc-cycles list Message-id: <3C4320E8.FCC5FC59@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <003901c19cca$31a35880$555a1840@apnHOFOJOKO> <3C430315.A549D609@XXXXXX> <003301c19d27$b0dacfe0$bb82fea9@palladio1> Paul Wilson wrote: > Newspapers to cut the wind: that used to be one of the bicyclist's little > tricks, in the days of wool jerseys before "space age" fabrics. Yep. Another "stay warm" strategy is to get a throttle lock. That way you can always keep at least one hand at a time warm by sticking it down close to the engine. :) Cruise controls work even better for this... :) Horkster -- MSL! SMG! (Chatty Moron TM's) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth AWSHIDT #322 - Completed. 99 Highway Signs! '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 14 13:27:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d09.mx.aol.com (imo-d09.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.41]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0EIRbj22471 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 13:27:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from SKeener2@XXXXXX by imo-d09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id r.78.2082e13b (4238); Mon, 14 Jan 2002 13:27:06 -0500 (EST) From: SKeener2@XXXXXX Message-ID: <78.2082e13b.29747cfa@aol.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 13:27:06 EST Subject: Re: roadracing school MARRC To: ricardopontes@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_78.2082e13b.29747cfa_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 --part1_78.2082e13b.29747cfa_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Anyone has ever taken this course. Its held at summit Point raceway. I have > signed up for it. But there are a bunch of things you need to do to your > motorcycle in order to get in. Safety wire and taping of headlights and > such. Can dual sport and dirt bikes get in the track as well or is it just > road bikes? Yes. 5 years ago. You really want to be riding a streetbike in the class. You will eventually get out on the course during the day. (Sighting laps, mock start, and mock race.) Better to have a bike suited to the situation. Dual purpose bike...maybe. Dirtbike...no. > Im thinking of just getting my r1 changed over by my local dealer, he might > know what to do better than i. I am buying some damaged plastic to put on > it > instead of the new plastic it has on it right now. I would like to know how > to handle it better in a controlled setting, no intention on racing, i will > be going at my own pace at the track. Local dealer....who? If they don't race...then they are probably clueless. Ask what the basics are...probably oil drainplug being wired...and oil filter as well. Tape headlights, remove turnsignals & mirrors. That should be the initial stuff for the race class...unless they want the header bolts drilled. Again...check with the race school. I generally prefer to have an over-prepared bike rather than an under prepared one. Keener --part1_78.2082e13b.29747cfa_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Anyone has ever taken this course. Its held at summit Point raceway. I have
signed up for it. But there are a bunch of things you need to do to your
motorcycle in order to get in. Safety wire and taping of headlights and
such. Can dual sport and dirt bikes get in the track as well or is it just
road bikes?


Yes.  5 years ago.  You really want to be riding a streetbike in the class.  You will eventually get out on the course during the day.  (Sighting laps, mock start, and mock race.)  Better to have a bike suited to the situation.  Dual purpose bike...maybe.  Dirtbike...no.

Im thinking of just getting my r1 changed over by my local dealer, he might
know what to do better than i. I am buying some damaged plastic to put on it
instead of the new plastic it has on it right now. I would like to know how
to handle it better in a controlled setting, no intention on racing, i will
be going at my own pace at the track.


Local dealer....who?  If they don't race...then they are probably clueless.  Ask what the basics are...probably oil drainplug being wired...and oil filter as well.  Tape headlights, remove turnsignals & mirrors.  That should be the initial stuff for the race class...unless they want the header bolts drilled.  Again...check with the race school.  I generally prefer to have an over-prepared bike rather than an under prepared one.

Keener --part1_78.2082e13b.29747cfa_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 14 13:30:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from rhino.spottedcat.com (IDENT:root@[63.91.14.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0EIUOj22546 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 13:30:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (hcaldwell@localhost) by rhino.spottedcat.com (8.11.6/8.8.7) with ESMTP id g0EIOmT06771 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 13:24:49 -0500 Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 13:24:48 -0500 (EST) From: hcaldwell X-Sender: hcaldwell@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: roadracing school MARRC Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII If you're not interested in racing you'll probably be better served by going to a riding school and then going to track days. The MARRC RRS isn't geared towards making you a better rider but to teach you the rules of racing. NESBA hosts many track days at summit so you might want to get in touch with them http://www.nesba.com/ Hugh From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 14 13:51:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r10.mx.aol.com (imo-r10.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.106]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0EIpfj22930 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 13:51:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from SKeener2@XXXXXX by imo-r10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id e.173.2188ce0 (4238); Mon, 14 Jan 2002 13:50:41 -0500 (EST) From: SKeener2@XXXXXX Message-ID: <173.2188ce0.29748281@aol.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 13:50:41 EST Subject: Re: roadracing school MARRC To: hcaldwell@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_173.2188ce0.29748281_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 --part1_173.2188ce0.29748281_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/14/02 1:32:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, hcaldwell@XXXXXX writes: > If you're not interested in racing you'll probably be > better served by going to a riding school and then going to > track days. The MARRC RRS isn't geared towards making you a better > rider but to teach you the rules of racing. NESBA hosts many > track days at summit so you might want to get in touch with them Well....yes a track day will help. But a riding school will do more. MARRC is not a riding school...it's only to see if you are qualified to get on a racetrack. --part1_173.2188ce0.29748281_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/14/02 1:32:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, hcaldwell@XXXXXX writes:


If you're not interested in racing you'll probably be
better served by going to a riding school and then going to
track days. The MARRC RRS isn't geared towards making you a better
rider but to teach you the rules of racing. NESBA hosts many
track days at summit so you might want to get in touch with them


Well....yes a track day will help.  But a riding school will do more.  MARRC is not a riding school...it's only to see if you are qualified to get on a racetrack.  --part1_173.2188ce0.29748281_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 14 14:48:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtpout.mac.com ([204.179.120.85]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0EJmrj23858 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 14:48:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-relay01.mac.com (server-source-si02 [10.13.10.6]) by smtpout.mac.com (8.12.1/8.10.2/1.0) with ESMTP id g0EJmTBm028890 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 11:48:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from asmtp01.mac.com ([10.13.10.65]) by smtp-relay01.mac.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 relay01 Jun 21 2001 23:53:48) with ESMTP id GPY1OT00.HU9 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 11:48:29 -0800 Received: from ippool136-178.corp.us.uu.net ([153.39.136.178]) by asmtp01.mac.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 asmtp01 Jun 21 2001 23:53:48) with ESMTP id GPY1OS00.B54 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 11:48:28 -0800 Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 14:48:15 -0500 Subject: Re: roadracing school MARRC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v480) From: Sean Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.480) > Anyone has ever taken this course. I took this school in May of 2000, since I had to attend a recognized racing school to recieve a racing license. > ....there are a bunch of things you need to do to your > motorcycle in order to get in. Safety wire and taping of headlights and > such. Can dual sport and dirt bikes get in the track as well or is it > just > road bikes? I don't imagine DP bike or dirt bikes would be allowed to attend. This school is not really a riding school; it is a racing school, and is designed for people who plan on getting a license from WERA or CCS. > Im thinking of just getting my r1 changed over by my local dealer, he > might > know what to do better than i. I would not recommend doing this. Contact a shop that is a "real" race shop. CAD in Gaithersburg (http://marrc.org/html_docs/rrs.sponsor.html), Speedwerks in Camden, DE, or Fast Lane Cycles in Chantilly, (owned by Rick Beggs, an instructor with the school), are all good places for help on getting your bike safety wired and taped. Or just consult your fellow list-members; I'm sure you could find someone who might help you out. Prepping a bike for the track is not extremely difficult; it's really just a big pain in the ass. > I am buying some damaged plastic to put on it > instead of the new plastic it has on it right now. Good idea. > I would like to know how > to handle it better in a controlled setting, no intention on racing, i > will > be going at my own pace at the track. This is an admirable desire. Unfortunately, I don't think the MARRC school is going to give you the experience that you're looking for. It is really geared towards teaching you how to race motorcycles; race starting procedures, on track behavior, flags & their meanings, etc. They don't really offer a great deal of track time or go into great detail on riding technique. (To recieve your certificate of successful completion, you have to take part in a "mock-race". In all actuality, it is a real race. Riding "at your own pace" is not only inappropriate, it could be dangerous.) You might consider looking into the classes offered by the Keith Code Superbike school, or some of the Cornerspeed schools offered at VIR. (http://www.superbikeschool.com/us/index.shtml, http://www.cornerspeed.net/). In my opinion, you very best bet would be to get a membership with NESBA. (North East Sportbike Association, http://www.nesba.com/). These guys run many tracks days all over this part of the country, and are a highly organized, professional group of people. There are several listers that attend NESBA track days, and could offer their opinions. Based on what you have said, this would probably be the best way for you to go. Sean Jordan Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 14 14:55:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web13907.mail.yahoo.com (web13907.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.70]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g0EJtXj23968 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 14:55:33 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020114195531.65998.qmail@web13907.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [4.21.76.2] by web13907.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 11:55:31 PST Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 11:55:31 -0800 (PST) From: Keith Lamond Subject: Re: roadracing school MARRC To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <78.2082e13b.29747cfa@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Fastlane cycles in Chantilly will set the bike up for you. Rick from Fastlane is one of the teachers of the course. As others have pointed out, the MARRC course is not designed to teach you how to be a better rider. It teaches the rules of racing, and what you can expect to encounter on the race track. The Keith Code and Reg Pridemore classes taught at various racetracks are more geared to improving your riding skills. Track days are also beneficial, but do not involve any formal training. Keith --- SKeener2@XXXXXX wrote: > > > Anyone has ever taken this course. Its held at > summit Point raceway. I have > > signed up for it. But there are a bunch of things > you need to do to your > > motorcycle in order to get in. Safety wire and > taping of headlights and > > such. Can dual sport and dirt bikes get in the > track as well or is it just > > road bikes? > > Yes. 5 years ago. You really want to be riding a > streetbike in the class. > You will eventually get out on the course during the > day. (Sighting laps, > mock start, and mock race.) Better to have a bike > suited to the situation. > Dual purpose bike...maybe. Dirtbike...no. > > > Im thinking of just getting my r1 changed over by > my local dealer, he might > > know what to do better than i. I am buying some > damaged plastic to put on > > it > > instead of the new plastic it has on it right now. > I would like to know how > > to handle it better in a controlled setting, no > intention on racing, i will > > be going at my own pace at the track. > > Local dealer....who? If they don't race...then they > are probably clueless. > Ask what the basics are...probably oil drainplug > being wired...and oil filter > as well. Tape headlights, remove turnsignals & > mirrors. That should be the > initial stuff for the race class...unless they want > the header bolts drilled. > Again...check with the race school. I generally > prefer to have an > over-prepared bike rather than an under prepared > one. > > Keener > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 14 14:59:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from rasmus.futurequest.net (IDENT:qmailr@XXXXXX [63.151.112.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g0EJxKj24053 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 14:59:20 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 14550 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2002 19:59:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dcpiii1000) (64.3.32.57) by motorcyclegearreview.com (63.151.113.84) with SMTP; 14 Jan 2002 19:59:40 -0000 Message-ID: <00b101c19d35$f36cb5e0$39200340@blairdubilier.com> From: "Dave Cross" To: "Ricardo Pontes" , "Dccycles" References: Subject: Re: roadracing school MARRC Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 14:59:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 >I would like to know how > to handle it better in a controlled setting, no intention on racing, i will > be going at my own pace at the track. Like Hugh and Steve said this course is for those who intend on racing. You don't really get any track time except for about 5 laps at the end of the day in a practice race. Its not meant to teach riding skills, mostly stuff like what the flags mean, see if you have basic (very basic) control over your motorcycle, and other basic stuff. If you expect to spend lots of time on the track you are in for a shock unless you decide to race in the real races the next day. If you want to improve your riding and don't want to race then definitely save your money for a track day or take a school like the California Cornering School or similar. Dave From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 14 15:01:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0EK1rj24125 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 15:01:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from firewall.dcc-racing.org (pcp015529pcs.harngt01.de.comcast.net [68.34.52.32]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id g0EK1e317104; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 15:01:40 -0500 From: laura granato To: "Ricardo Pontes" , "Dccycles" Subject: Re: roadracing school MARRC Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 15:01:39 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02011415013900.07236@firewall.dcc-racing.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Monday 14 January 2002 13:08, Ricardo Pontes wrote: > Anyone has ever taken this course. Its held at summit Point raceway. I have > signed up for it. If you are looking to learn more about riding, MARRC is not the place to do it. If you want to take a road racing school, www.cornerspeed.net. It really helps with riding AND gives you the certificate to get your license. MARRC just does a bunch of skid pad drills and minimal amount at the track. If you want to learn better riding skills, take a riding school, such as a Keith Code type school. If you want to ride on the track to learn, but mostly have fun, I'd recommend track days. It depends on what your intentions are, but MARRC is more geared toward racing. Laura From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 14 15:03:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0EK3Lj24158 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 15:03:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-42-161.s161.tnt2.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.42.161] helo=palladio1) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16QDKB-0007Dy-00; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 15:03:20 -0500 Message-ID: <005501c19d37$2d79be80$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Dale Horstman" Cc: "dc-cycles list" References: <003901c19cca$31a35880$555a1840@apnHOFOJOKO><3C430315.A549D609@home.com> <003301c19d27$b0dacfe0$bb82fea9@palladio1> <3C4320E8.FCC5FC59@home.com> Subject: Re: Heated gear strategy... Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 15:06:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dale Horstman" > Paul Wilson wrote: > > > Newspapers to cut the wind: that used to be one of the bicyclist's little > > tricks, in the days of wool jerseys before "space age" fabrics. > > Yep. Another "stay warm" strategy is to get a throttle lock. That > way you can always keep at least one hand at a time warm by sticking > it down close to the engine. :) Good luck with all the tupperware. I used to do it with the Nighthawk. I notice Honda's New American Sports concept bike has an under-seat radiator. How about routing coolant *through* the seat for the bun warmer effect in the winter? 'Course BMWs have electric bun warmers and some have separate "his'n'hers" settings. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F > From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 14 16:25:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from pmesmtp01.wcom.com (pmesmtp01.wcom.com [199.249.20.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0ELPBj25614 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 16:25:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #47837) id <0GPY00F0165RDJ@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 21:25:03 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp04.wcomnet.com ([166.38.58.144]) by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #47837) with ESMTP id <0GPY00DKX65RE6@XXXXXX>; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 21:25:03 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp04.wcomnet.com by dgismtp04.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with SMTP id <0GPY0000165J95@XXXXXX>; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 21:25:03 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.49]) by dgismtp04.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with ESMTP id <0GPY00M7Q656GJ@XXXXXX>; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 21:24:42 +0000 (GMT) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 16:24:39 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Heated gear strategy... To: Paul Wilson Cc: dc-cycles list Message-id: <3C434C97.3CB08706@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <003901c19cca$31a35880$555a1840@apnHOFOJOKO> <3C430315.A549D609@XXXXXX> <003301c19d27$b0dacfe0$bb82fea9@palladio1> <3C4320E8.FCC5FC59@XXXXXX> <005501c19d37$2d79be80$bb82fea9@palladio1> Paul Wilson wrote: > > Good luck with all the tupperware. I used to do it with the Nighthawk. Nah, the plastic helps. There's a nice warm spot just inboard of the riders knees. Tuck the fingers in there, under the tank, and you can feel it even with gloves on. On the old KZ, putting gloved hands right on the cylinder head got a little warm, I'm surprised I didn't singe the leather at times. I also found out that I can lean forward and place the *top* of each booted foot on an exhaust can. Now that's nice and toasty warm, in addition to allowing me another way to stretch out my legs. :) I tend to not use it much when other traffic is around, though. Hork -- MSL! SMG! (Chatty Moron TM's) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth AWSHIDT #322 - Completed. 99 Highway Signs! '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 14 16:49:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail.his.com (root@XXXXXX [209.67.207.13]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0ELn2j26022 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 16:49:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from harris (max2h-230.his.com [216.32.85.230]) by mail.his.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA17867; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 16:48:57 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.20020114164911.015b1eb8@his.com> X-Sender: harris@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 16:49:14 -0800 To: "Ricardo Pontes" , "Dccycles" From: Stephen Harris Subject: Re: roadracing school MARRC Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 01:08 PM 1/14/02 -0500, Ricardo Pontes wrote: >Anyone has ever taken this course. Its held at summit Point raceway. I have >signed up for it. But there are a bunch of things you need to do to your >motorcycle in order to get in. Safety wire and taping of headlights and >such. Can dual sport and dirt bikes get in the track as well or is it just >road bikes? I one of the folks that runs the MARRC school. We are clearly slanted towards road bikes, but we have had a few guys that have taken the school on modified dirt bikes in the past. Unless you are a very savy mechanic, plan on using your street bike rather than trying to modify your dirt bike to race on. >Im thinking of just getting my r1 changed over by my local dealer, he might >know what to do better than i. I am buying some damaged plastic to put on it >instead of the new plastic it has on it right now. I would like to know how >to handle it better in a controlled setting, no intention on racing, i will >be going at my own pace at the track. Honestly, the MARRC school may not be for you if you do not want to go racing. Historically we are focused on teaching you the things you need to know to start club level road racing as safely as possible. While some of what we do will help you to be a better rider, most of what we do is flags, start procedures, crashing, that sort of thing. New for 2002 we are going to be doing full day schools on friday at the jefferson circuit, instead of the 1/2 day school on Saturday during the races. What this means is we will have more opportunity & track time to look at riding issues, but really, we are charted as a "motorcycle road racing" school, not a "make you a better rider" school. As far as shops are concerned, go with a shop the specializes in road racing, like Cycle Accessory Discounters (301) 977-7188 or Fast Lane Cycles (703) 818-8890. If you have any ?'s about the MARRC school please feel free to direct them to me. Stephen Harris Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 14 17:13:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0EMDZj26459 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:13:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from firewall.dcc-racing.org (pcp015529pcs.harngt01.de.comcast.net [68.34.52.32]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id g0EMDM316671; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:13:22 -0500 From: laura granato To: Stephen Harris , "Ricardo Pontes" , "Dccycles" Subject: Re: roadracing school MARRC Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:13:22 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <3.0.32.20020114164911.015b1eb8@his.com> In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.20020114164911.015b1eb8@his.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02011417132202.07236@firewall.dcc-racing.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Monday 14 January 2002 19:49, Stephen Harris wrote: > > > As far as shops are concerned, go with a shop the specializes in road > racing, like Cycle Accessory Discounters (301) 977-7188 or Fast Lane Cycles > (703) 818-8890. I too must throw in a recommendation here...Speedwerks is a great shop for race prepping bikes, as well as getting you riding gear, helmets, etc. at great prices. 302.672.RACE Laura From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 14 17:26:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from cpimssmtpu08.email.msn.com (cpimssmtpu08.email.msn.com [207.46.181.83]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0EMQkj26710 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:26:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from computer ([67.201.25.103]) by cpimssmtpu08.email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4617); Mon, 14 Jan 2002 14:25:36 -0800 From: "Ricardo Pontes" To: "Dccycles" Subject: RE: Heated gear strategy... Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:26:42 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <3C434C97.3CB08706@home.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jan 2002 22:25:36.0880 (UTC) FILETIME=[63B17700:01C19D4A] I was in Harley Davidson of Gaitherburg in airpark road. The saleswoman there saw me looking at widder electric gloves and told me that the electric clothing was a bit too expensive, and that if i wanted to remain warm in the coldest of weather to wear some women's panties instead of 400$ worth of electric clothing. I have not tried it, anyone care to confess? Ricardo www.pileofgarbage.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 14 17:43:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f186.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.9.186]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0EMhXj27058 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:43:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 14:31:47 -0800 Received: from 24.23.162.251 by lw9fd.law9.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:31:46 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.23.162.251] From: "Blake S" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Local exhaust fabricator? Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 15:31:46 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jan 2002 22:31:47.0130 (UTC) FILETIME=[406121A0:01C19D4B] Hey everyone, Im currently in the midst of restoring a 1982 Yamaha XZ550. although a standard, many times i have been asked if it was the new Honda or Yamaha bike. Anyway, the one thing that really keeps this bike from reaching its full potential is its exhaust system (both asthetically and power wise). its one of the old chrome dual megaphone systems, and it also has some bad restriction problems. I've been looking around the area for someone who could build an exhaust for me (4-2-1 - 2 pipes per cylinder. its a v-twin) so that i could attach a newer sportbike canister on the right side of the bike to give it that newer look (not to mention the added gains after rejetting) but havent been able to find anyone. Im just looking for someone to be able to contruct me a good exhaust for less than what a stock replacement would cost (300) so that this would be a somewhat cost effective alternative. Does anyone know any places in the area that might be able to do this? the closest place i found was down in southern virgina, and im a bit weary to cart the bike down 6 hours when if he has any questions, i'd have to come back down. Thanks a lot, Blake 1998 Yamaha Vstar 650 custom 1982 yamaha xz550 (black) 1982 yamaha xz550 (red) 1978 yamaha xs650 1978 yamaha gt80 _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 14 18:40:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0ENe8j27925 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 18:40:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-92.patriot.net [209.249.181.92]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0ENe5n31479; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 18:40:05 -0500 Message-ID: <3C436BEF.8A157C3E@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 18:38:23 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ricardo Pontes CC: Dccycles Subject: Re: Heated gear strategy... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm sure she meant women's pantyhose, and yes, they work great for keeping the gams warm. The Control Tops are excellent for keeping the beer gut in check, an added bonus. I prefer a nce rosey tan shade, but each to his own. Bill Ricardo Pontes wrote: > I was in Harley Davidson of Gaitherburg in airpark road. The saleswoman > there saw me looking at widder electric gloves and told me that the electric > clothing was a bit too expensive, and that if i wanted to remain warm in the > coldest of weather to wear some women's panties instead of 400$ worth of > electric clothing. I have not tried it, anyone care to confess? > > Ricardo > www.pileofgarbage.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 14 18:41:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f262.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.236.140]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0ENfrj27957 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 18:41:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 15:30:34 -0800 Received: from 209.249.181.7 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 23:30:34 GMT X-Originating-IP: [209.249.181.7] From: "Jay St. Peter" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Insurance for bloody foriegners Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 18:30:34 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jan 2002 23:30:34.0413 (UTC) FILETIME=[76CDCDD0:01C19D53] A friend of mine is living here from the UK. He is here on a work visa and wants to buy a bike (a 'busa to be specific). So far he has gotten insurance quotes just for his bike higher than myself and the wife combined (3 vehicles and me with long list of speeding tickets). He has been riding for 20 yrs., but it doesn't seem to count since it wasn't here. Any ideas for a bloody foriegner to get semi-reasonable insurance? BTW: Progressive quoted him $2400/yr just for the bike. Thanks, Jay St. Peter _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 14 18:50:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from cpimssmtpu04.email.msn.com (cpimssmtpu04.email.msn.com [207.46.181.80]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0ENovj28207 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 18:50:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from computer ([206.215.14.126]) by cpimssmtpu04.email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4617); Mon, 14 Jan 2002 15:49:47 -0800 From: "Ricardo Pontes" To: "Dccycles" Subject: Track Days? Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 18:50:49 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <02011415013900.07236@firewall.dcc-racing.org> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jan 2002 23:49:48.0147 (UTC) FILETIME=[267BA430:01C19D56] Laura, I looked into cornerspeed, but apparently its at VIR. A bit further away, when i found about MARRC at summit point, and only 80 miles from me, i was pretty excited. Seems the concesus on the list agrees that its not for me. I dont know what to do. I really would like some track days, but you need a racing school to get in? Is there track days I can do at summit point? I wouldnt mind VIR either. Ricardo On Monday 14 January 2002 13:08, Ricardo Pontes wrote: > Anyone has ever taken this course. Its held at summit Point raceway. I have > signed up for it. If you are looking to learn more about riding, MARRC is not the place to do it. If you want to take a road racing school, www.cornerspeed.net. It really helps with riding AND gives you the certificate to get your license. MARRC just does a bunch of skid pad drills and minimal amount at the track. If you want to learn better riding skills, take a riding school, such as a Keith Code type school. If you want to ride on the track to learn, but mostly have fun, I'd recommend track days. It depends on what your intentions are, but MARRC is more geared toward racing. Laura From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 14 19:00:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net (scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.49]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0F00Kj28393 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 19:00:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from washdc3-ar2-4-3-185-205.elnk.dsl.gtei.net ([4.3.185.205] helo=llarson.xhost.org) by scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16QH1H-0002hx-00; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 16:00:03 -0800 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020114185859.00afb8c0@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 19:00:52 -0500 To: "Ricardo Pontes" , "Dccycles" From: Larry Larson Subject: RE: Heated gear strategy... In-Reply-To: References: <3C434C97.3CB08706@home.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 05:26 PM 1/14/2002, Ricardo Pontes wrote: >I was in Harley Davidson of Gaitherburg in airpark road. The saleswoman >there saw me looking at widder electric gloves and told me that the electric >clothing was a bit too expensive, and that if i wanted to remain warm in the >coldest of weather to wear some women's panties instead of 400$ worth of >electric clothing. I have not tried it, anyone care to confess? Maybe she meant pantyhose, which bicycle racers have worn in cold weather for decades -- along with shaving their legs in case of road rash. -- Larry From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 14 19:25:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m07.mx.aol.com (imo-m07.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.162]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0F0Pxj28813 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 19:25:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from PenguinBiker@XXXXXX by imo-m07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id 2.60.197a5d1f (3999) for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 19:25:43 -0500 (EST) From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <60.197a5d1f.2974d107@aol.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 19:25:43 EST Subject: Re: Driving Lights To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 1/14/2002 10:57:44 AM Eastern Standard Time, mike@XXXXXX writes: > The sun is _so_bright_ > that it overwhelms any shadow created by an extra bright set of lights. I think you are missing the point of the argument. With the sun behind an object the object is rendered a silhouette. All a car sees is a dark object against blinding white. It is not that your headlight creates shadows, its that it cuts a hole in your silhouette (essentially your shadow.) Stand with the sun at your back and look at your shadow. Now shine a bright flashlight at the center of your shadow, the center of your shadow disappears, less shadow, less visibility. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European is now necessary {and I still like it.}) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 14 19:26:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0F0QTj28824 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 19:26:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from Smurfslayer (p46.a2.du.radix.net [207.192.129.174]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA20109 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 19:26:27 -0500 (EST) From: "Dave Yates" To: Subject: RE: Insurance for bloody foriegners Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 19:25:35 -0500 Message-ID: <000b01c19d5b$34e39780$ae81c0cf@nih.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Importance: Normal A friend of mine is living here from the UK. He is here on a work visa and wants to buy a bike (a 'busa to be specific). So far he has gotten insurance quotes just for his bike higher than myself and the wife combined (3 vehicles and me with long list of speeding tickets). He has been riding for 20 yrs., but it doesn't seem to count since it wasn't here. Any ideas for a bloody foriegner to get semi-reasonable insurance? BTW: Progressive quoted him $2400/yr just for the bike. 1 - look used, not new. a 1 or 2 year old EyeAbuser is just as fast & probably way less to insure. 2 - ditch progressive, their rates are quite REgressive. 3 - Have an 'Murican buddy call on his behalf, with all necessary info - remember, SSN is not viable as a form of identification, if he has a license, that should be good enough. I theorize that if you eliminate the accent, you may see better rates... HTH Dave Yates '90 ZX11 'Acceleratus Maximus' LTT customized M96G EII 'Little Friend' http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 14 19:33:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r06.mx.aol.com (imo-r06.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.102]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0F0XRj28984 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 19:33:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from PenguinBiker@XXXXXX by imo-r06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id 2.107.b490ae4 (3999) for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 19:33:05 -0500 (EST) From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <107.b490ae4.2974d2c1@aol.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 19:33:05 EST Subject: Re: Heated gear strategy... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 1/14/2002 1:20:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, the.horkster@XXXXXX writes: > That > way you can always keep at least one hand at a time warm by sticking > it down close to the engine. :) Had a pair of gloves I _THOUGHT_ were leather once.... Never did get all of the vinyl off of the fins. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European is now necessary {and I still like it.}) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 14 20:19:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from stmpy-3.cais.net (stmpy-3.cais.net [205.252.14.73]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0F1JGj29788 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 20:19:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from micron (130.dynamic.cais.com [207.226.56.130]) by stmpy-3.cais.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id g0F1JEx07212 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 20:19:15 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <003501c19d4a$f4114dc0$8238e2cf@micron> From: "mobacc" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Biker's worth "Finnished"? Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:29:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 For 47 in a 31. Hmmmm. (**emphasis mine). Nokia exec-cum-biker slammed with $100,000 traffic fine In Finland, **traffic fines vary according to the offender's average income**. Thus when a senior executive at Nokia was caught racing his motorcycle down a Helsinki street, he was handed a $103,000 traffic fine. Now he's appealing it, claiming that his income has dropped as Nokia's share price has fallen. http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20020114/od/fine_dc_1.html Bill S. / DC '99 VN750 --> Shhhhhhhh. Local govts are feeling pinched. Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 14 21:14:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from hall.mail.mindspring.net (hall.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0F2Egj00758 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 21:14:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from dialup-209.244.226.141.dial1.washington1.level3.net ([209.244.226.141] helo=ix.netcom.com) by hall.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16QJ7O-0004LB-00; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 21:14:31 -0500 Message-ID: <3C438DB0.30402@ix.netcom.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 21:02:24 -0500 From: Chuck and Karen Pena Reply-To: the_penas@XXXXXX User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Jay St. Peter" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Insurance for bloody foriegners References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jay, Don't know if he can help, but if your friend is living in VA, try my agent. Will Frix with Farmers. (703) 437-4181. If he can't help, maybe he could recommend someone. Please tell him I sent your friend his way. Chuck Jay St. Peter wrote: > A friend of mine is living here from the UK. He is here on a work visa > and wants to buy a bike (a 'busa to be specific). So far he has gotten > insurance quotes just for his bike higher than myself and the wife > combined (3 vehicles and me with long list of speeding tickets). He has > been riding for 20 yrs., but it doesn't seem to count since it wasn't here. > Any ideas for a bloody foriegner to get semi-reasonable insurance? > BTW: Progressive quoted him $2400/yr just for the bike. > > Thanks, > Jay St. Peter > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 14 21:23:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0F2NFj00914 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 21:23:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from firewall.dcc-racing.org (pcp015529pcs.harngt01.de.comcast.net [68.34.52.32]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id g0F2NA326763; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 21:23:11 -0500 From: laura granato To: "Ricardo Pontes" , "Dccycles" Subject: Re: Track Days? Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 21:23:09 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02011421230902.08182@firewall.dcc-racing.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Monday 14 January 2002 18:50, Ricardo Pontes wrote: > Laura, > I dont know what to do. I really would like some track days, but you need a > racing school to get in? Is there track days I can do at summit point? I > wouldnt mind VIR either. I would highly recommend Nesba for track days. You DO NOT have to have a racing license and the way that they structure it is great. you will start out in the beginner class and they will teach you about track safety and you will have experienced control riders out there watching you and critiquing you. I have taken a lot of different track days, and nesba days are definitely the best. I will recommend, however, that you don't take a track day the day before a race weekend (long story). But I highly recommend you look at Nesba.com. I would *not* steer you wrong on this one! I want everyone who takes to the track to enjoy their experience. Laura From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 14 22:24:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from m11.boston.juno.com (m11.boston.juno.com [64.136.24.74]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0F3Otj01798 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:24:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"fTLSAcSSZ0OO+O1u10jMXPxK/ec5LQUUL5i7p40JnlDh6rIS2DsQbA=="> Received: (from celticracing@XXXXXX) by m11.boston.juno.com (jqueuemail) id GQ6RTTNN; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:24:03 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:12:40 -0500 Subject: CCS Track Days @ Summit - No License Required Message-ID: <20020114.222222.-618221.4.CelticRacing@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 2-3,5-12,14,16-17,20-21,24-25,30-31,36-37,42-43,53-54,58-59,63-66,68,70,72 From: Tom Fitzpatrick This year, CCS will be holding true track days - no racing license required - the Friday before many CCS events, including those at Summit Point. Check http://www.ccsracing.com for CCS information. The events will have a beginners class. Requirements for this class will be: -no mirrors -tailight disconnected or taped up (no visible light) -no passing in turns The intermediate group will require the following: -securing of the oil fill cap and drain plug. Silicone seal will probably be allowed, but safety wiring is recommended (by me) -no inside passing in the turns (i.e., if you are going down, go down alone. No "69" passes.) The advanced class will require fully race prepped bikes, including a belly pan. I do not know whether a racing license will be required for the advanced class. I do not know all of the details, but contact the MARRC Road Racing School about participating in their RRS on the Friday track days and the Saturday of race weekends. My suggestion is that you try a track day first, and see if riding on the track is for you. If you find yourself begging your S.O. to take lap times and begin jumping up and down about going a half second faster during the course of a day, you might want to consider getting a racing license. I think that track days are great. But, I would much rather practice in a race practice, with trained and experience racers, even if they are blowing by me (which they do). On track days, all types of behavior can and will be exhibited, and the most dangerous person on a race track is an unpredictable one. Forget about a dirt bike or a dual purpose bike, unless you are willing to undertake a full Super Motard conversion. I would suggest that you consider thumper racing, in CCS' SuperSingles class. Fun bikes, small grids (hopefully to grow), nice people make this a great place to start. An MZ Skorpion is a good choice. Whether riding track days or race days, your bike should be track ready. Appropriate tires in good conditon (preferably new), fresh brake pads, fluids, and full safety wiring is highly recommended. If not for you, for your buddy on the track with you. As others suggested, a race/street performance shop is the best place to consult or hire in getting your bike ready. Rick Beggs, MARRC Board member, Board Race School liaison, Race School instructor and former number 1 plate holder in the Mid-Atlantic, owns and operates Fast Lane Cycles along with his wife, Melinda. They can get your bike ready for the track quickly and correctly. Rick also sponsors a lot of newly minted racers. *Fast Lane Cycles - fastlanecycles@XXXXXX (703)818-8890 (www.fastlanecycles.com)* Don't just ask Rick about getting your bike ready. Ask about getting you read. Leathers, gloves, boots, helmets are all available from Rick. Finally, I suggest that you consider corner working or serving in some other capacity with MARRC. You will learn a lot, meet great people, and get as close as you can to motorcycle racing without riding a bike. http://www.marrc.org. Tom Fitzpatrick CCS#80'6 (www.celticracing.com) Sponsors: *Fast Lane Cycles - fastlanecycles@XXXXXX (703)818-8890 (www.fastlanecycles.com)* *Barnacle Bill's Racing Leathers - barnacle@XXXXXX (www.racingleather.com)* *Nuts and Bolts Racing Racer Web Sites - rchapin@XXXXXX (www.nbracesites.com)* *Janet Bell TAX Preparation, Accounting and Consulting (belljan@XXXXXX)* From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 14 22:36:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from host3.mywebsitehost.com (host3.mywebsitehost.com [209.239.36.22]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0F3a4j02013 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:36:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from aarontyobclb61 (66-61-58-178.wo4.cox.rr.com [66.61.58.178]) by host3.mywebsitehost.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id g0F3a3v17377 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:36:03 -0500 From: "Aaron Randolph" To: "Dccycles" Subject: RE: Track Days? Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:35:57 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <02011421230902.08182@firewall.dcc-racing.org> Importance: Normal All of NESBA's track days are for the Jefferson circuit. Are all the other shops track days on that circuit too? Does anyone do the main circuit? Aaron -----Original Message----- From: laura granato [mailto:lgranato@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, January 14, 2002 9:23 PM To: Ricardo Pontes; Dccycles Subject: Re: Track Days? On Monday 14 January 2002 18:50, Ricardo Pontes wrote: > Laura, > I dont know what to do. I really would like some track days, but you need a > racing school to get in? Is there track days I can do at summit point? I > wouldnt mind VIR either. I would highly recommend Nesba for track days. You DO NOT have to have a racing license and the way that they structure it is great. you will start out in the beginner class and they will teach you about track safety and you will have experienced control riders out there watching you and critiquing you. I have taken a lot of different track days, and nesba days are definitely the best. I will recommend, however, that you don't take a track day the day before a race weekend (long story). But I highly recommend you look at Nesba.com. I would *not* steer you wrong on this one! I want everyone who takes to the track to enjoy their experience. Laura From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 14 22:48:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail7.mgfairfax.rr.com (fe7.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.54]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0F3m6j02179 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:48:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from VIRGINIA.meyerweb.net ([66.61.44.24]) by mail7.mgfairfax.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.687.68); Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:48:03 -0500 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020114224547.029a6900@pop-server.cox.rr.com> X-Sender: rmeyer@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:47:12 -0500 To: "Ricardo Pontes" , "Dccycles" From: Bob Meyer Subject: RE: Heated gear strategy... In-Reply-To: References: <3C434C97.3CB08706@home.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 05:26 PM 1/14/02 -0500, Ricardo Pontes wrote: >I was in Harley Davidson of Gaitherburg in airpark road. The saleswoman >there saw me looking at widder electric gloves and told me that the electric >clothing was a bit too expensive, and that if i wanted to remain warm in the >coldest of weather to wear some women's panties instead of 400$ worth of >electric clothing. I have not tried it, anyone care to confess? Hog s**t, is all I have to say. Silk, nylon, miracle fabrics. I don't care what you wear. In truly cold weather, the outside temps will eventually overload the layers' ability to insulate, and your body's ability to generate heat. Bob From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 14 22:48:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail7.mgfairfax.rr.com (fe7.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.54]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0F3m6j02178 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:48:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from VIRGINIA.meyerweb.net ([66.61.44.24]) by mail7.mgfairfax.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.687.68); Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:48:03 -0500 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020114224321.0298a2b0@pop-server.cox.rr.com> X-Sender: rmeyer@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:44:39 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Bob Meyer Subject: Re: Driving Lights In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020114092712.0261aa40@mail.troutman.org> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020113220111.0299d540@pop-server.cox.rr.com> <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F0666B13E@DCHQCLEXHQ> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 09:29 AM 1/14/02 -0500, Troutman wrote: >Speaking as a driver, headlight modulators are very distracting ... >irritating even. I would like to see them removed from the road. > >I have never (30k miles) had a problem being seen with a normal daytime >lowbeam. Then you're very, very lucky. Especially with all the DRL's on cars these days, a low beam headlight just blends into the background. Are modulators annoying? You bet. But I'd much rather annoy someone than get run over by them. Bob From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 14 23:12:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0F4CSj02588 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 23:12:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from firewall.dcc-racing.org (pcp015529pcs.harngt01.de.comcast.net [68.34.52.32]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id g0F4CP327204; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 23:12:25 -0500 From: laura granato To: Tom Fitzpatrick , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: CCS Track Days @ Summit - No License Required Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 23:12:24 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <20020114.222222.-618221.4.CelticRacing@juno.com> In-Reply-To: <20020114.222222.-618221.4.CelticRacing@juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02011423122404.08182@firewall.dcc-racing.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Monday 14 January 2002 22:12, Tom Fitzpatrick wrote: (i.e., if you are going down, go down > alone. No "69" passes.) > I cannot believe you just said that!!!!!!! This *is* a family list. :-) LAG From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 14 23:22:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp015.mail.yahoo.com (smtp015.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.59]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g0F4M2j02747 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 23:22:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from washdc3-ar6-4-63-009-023.vz.dsl.gtei.net (HELO ltanner) (4.63.9.23) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2002 04:20:26 -0000 From: "LindaT." To: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: RE: Driving Lights Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:54:10 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020114224321.0298a2b0@pop-server.cox.rr.com> Importance: Normal I agree with this. I too would rather annoy someone than be run over by them. I've been using a modulator for a little over a year now, about 20k miles, and the incidence of folks not seeing me has dropped dramatically. With the extra added bonus of half the cages thinking I'm a cop and getting the hell out of the way. I wouldn't leave home without it. LindaT. Custom TankBags Springfield, VA (suburb of our nation's capital) AMA IBA HSTA BMWBMW 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy 95 F3 Purple Haze (69K miles and counting...) 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing http://www.geocities.com/ljtanner Bob Meyer said: Then you're very, very lucky. Especially with all the DRL's on cars these days, a low beam headlight just blends into the background. Are modulators annoying? You bet. But I'd much rather annoy someone than get run over by them. Bob _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 15 01:45:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp014.mail.yahoo.com (smtp014.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.58]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g0F6jdj04800 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 01:45:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from cp93425-a.mtgmry1.md.home.com (HELO cp93425a) (67.161.33.71) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2002 06:45:38 -0000 From: "rdrdr" To: "dc-cycles" Subject: RE: Heated gear strategy... Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 01:45:18 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <005501c19d37$2d79be80$bb82fea9@palladio1> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Paul - much easier to buy those handlebar warmers from Aerostitch and install them flat inside the seat padding. They cost under $50 and you can use one for you and one for pillon. Much much simpler than routing coolant hoses. ...or is that pantyhoses again? Niv BMW F650ST -----Original Message----- From: Paul Wilson [mailto:pawilson@XXXXXX] Sent: Mon, January 14, 2002 3:06 PM To: Dale Horstman Cc: dc-cycles list Subject: Re: Heated gear strategy... I notice Honda's New American Sports concept bike has an under-seat radiator. How about routing coolant *through* the seat for the bun warmer effect in the winter? 'Course BMWs have electric bun warmers and some have separate "his'n'hers" settings. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 15 02:15:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp015.mail.yahoo.com (smtp015.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.59]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g0F7Frj05488 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 02:15:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from cp93425-a.mtgmry1.md.home.com (HELO cp93425a) (67.161.33.71) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2002 07:15:51 -0000 From: "rdrdr" To: Subject: FW: Darwin Awards Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 02:15:27 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 1 (Highest) X-MSMail-Priority: High X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: High It's that time again . . . . . They are finally out again. You all know about the Darwin Awards - It's an annual honor given to the person who did the gene pool the biggest service by killing themselves in the most extraordinarily stupid way. Last year's winner was the fellow who was killed by a Coke machine which toppled over on top of him as he was attempting to tip a free soda out of it......... And the nominees are: 9. A young Canadian man, searching for a way of getting drunk cheaply, because he had no money with which to buy alcohol, mixed gasoline with milk. Not surprisingly, this concoction made him ill, and he vomited into the fireplace in his house. This resulting explosion and fire burned his house down, killing both him and his sister. 8. A 34-year-old white male found dead in the basement of his home died of suffocation, according to police. He was approximately 6'2" tall and weighed 225 pounds. He was wearing a pleated skirt, white bra, black and white saddle shoes, and a woman's wig. It appeared that he was trying to create a schoolgirl's uniform look. He was also wearing a military gas mask that had the filter canister removed and a rubber hose attached in its place. The other end of the hose was connected to a one end of a hollow wooden tube approx. 12" long and 3" in diameter. The tube's other end was inserted into his rectum for reasons unknown, and was the cause of his suffocation. Police found the task of explaining the circumstances of his death to his family very awkward. 7. Three Brazilian men were flying in a light aircraft at low altitude when another plane approached. It appears that they decided to moon the occupants of the other plane, but lost control of their own aircraft and crashed. They were all found dead in the wreckage with their pants around their ankles. 6. A police officer in Ohio responded to a 911 call. She had no details before arriving, except that someone had reported that his father was not breathing. Upon arrival, the officer found the man face down on the couch naked. When she rolled him over to check for a pulse and to start CPR, she noticed burn marks around his genitals. After the ambulance arrived and removed the man - who was declared dead on arrival at the hospital - the police made a closer inspection of the couch, and noticed that the man had made a hole between the cushions. Upon flipping the couch over, they discovered what had caused his death. Apparently, the man had a habit of putting his penis between the cushions, down into the hole and between two electrical sanders (with the sandpaper removed, for obvious reasons). According to the story, after his orgasm the discharge shorted out one of the sanders, electrocuting him. 5. A 27-year-old French woman lost control of her car on a highway near Marseilles and crashed into a tree, seriously injuring her passenger and killing herself. As a c ommonplace road accident, this would not have qualified for a Darwin nomination, were it not for the fact that the driver's attention had been distracted by her Tamagotchi key ring, which had started urgently beeping for food as she drove along. In an attempt to press the correct buttons to save the Tamagotchi's life, the woman lost her own. 4. A 22-year-old Reston, VA, man was found dead after he tried to use octopus straps to bungee jump off a 70-foot railroad trestle. Fairfax County police said Eric Barcia, a fast-food worker, taped a bunch of these straps together, wrapped an end around one foot, anchored the other end to the trestle at Lake Accotink Park, jumped and hit the pavement. Warren Carmichael, a police spokesman, said investigators think Barcia was alone because his car was found nearby. "The length of the cord that he had assembled was greater than the distance between the trestle and the ground," Carmichael said. Police say the apparent cause of death was "Major trauma." 3. A man in Alabama died from rattlesnake bites. It seems that he and a friend were playing a game of catch, using the rattlesnake as a ball. The friend - no doubt a future Darwin Awards candidate - was hospitalized. 2. Employees in a medium-sized warehouse in west Texas noticed the smell of a gas leak. Sensibly, management evacuated the building extinguishing all potential sources of ignition; lights, power, etc. After the building had been evacuated, two technicians from the gas company were dispatched. Upon entering the building, they found they had difficulty navigating in the dark. To their frustration, none of the lights worked. Witnesses later described the sight of one of the technicians reaching into his pocket and retrieving an object that resembled a cigarette lighter. Upon operation of the lighter like object, the gas in the warehouse exploded, sending pieces of it up to three miles away. Nothing was found of the technicians, but the lighter was virtually untouched by the explosion. The technician suspected of causing the blast had never been thought of as 'bright' by his peers. And the winner . .. . The Arizona Highway Patrol came upon a pile of smoldering metal embedded into the side of a cliff rising above the road at the apex of a curve. The wreckage resembled the site of an airplane crash, but it was a car. The type of car was unidentifiable at the scene. The lab finally figured out what it was and what had happened. It seems that a guy had somehow gotten hold of a JATO unit (Jet Assisted Take Off - actually a solid fuel rocket) that is used to give heavy military transport planes an extra "push" for taking off from short airfields. He had driven his Chevy Impala out into the desert and found a long and straight stretch of road. Then he attached the JATO unit to his car, jumped in, got up some speed and fired off the JATO! The facts as best as could be determined are that the operator of the 1967 Impala hit the JATO ignition at a distance of approximately 3.0 miles from the crash site. This was established by the prominent scorched and melted asphalt at that location. The JATO, if operating properly, would have reached maximum thrust within 5 seconds, causing the Chevy to reach speeds well in excess of 350 mph and continuing at full power for an additional 20-25 seconds. The driver, and soon to be pilot, most likely would have experienced G-forces usually reserved for dog fighting F-14 jocks under full afterburners, causing him to become insignificant for the remainder of the event. However, the automobile remained on the straight highway for about 2.5 miles (15-20 seconds) before the driver applied and completely melted the brakes, blowing the tires and leaving thick rubber marks on the road surface, then becoming airborne for an additional 1.4 miles and impacting the cliff face at a height of 125 feet leaving a blackened crater 3 feet deep in the rock. Most of the driver's remains were not recoverable; however, small fragments of bone, teeth and hair were extracted from the crater and fingernail and bone shards were removed from a piece of debris believed to be a portion of the steering wheel. Epilogue: It has been calculated that this moron nearly reached Mach I, attaining a ground speed of approximately 420 mph. The latest nominee for this years Darwin Award (awarded to people for incredible feats of stupidity) goes to.... Everitt Sanchez Based on a bet by the other members of his threesome, Everitt Sanchez tried to wash his own "balls" in a ball washer at the local golf course. Proving once again that beer and testosterone are a bad mix, Sanchez managed to straddle the ball washer and dangle his scrotum in the machine. Much to his dismay, one of his buddies up'd the ante by spinning the crank on the machine with Sanchez's scrotum in place, thus wedging them solidly in the mechanism. Sanchez, who immediately passed his threshold of pain, collapsed and tumbled from his perch. Unfortunately for Sanchez, the height of the ball washer was more than a foot higher off the ground than his testicles are in a normal stance, and the scrotum was the weakest link. Sanchez's scrotum was ripped open during the fall, and one testicle was plucked from him forever and remained in the ball washer, while the other testicle was compressed and flattened as it was pulled between the housing of the washer, and the rotating machinery inside. To add insult to injury, Sanchez broke a new $300.00 driver that he had just purchased from the pro shop, and was using to balance himself. Sanchez was rushed to the hospital for surgery, and the remaining threesome were asked to leave the course. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 15 02:38:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0F7c8j05784 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 02:38:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from firewall.dcc-racing.org (pcp015529pcs.harngt01.de.comcast.net [68.34.52.32]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id g0F7c4328528; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 02:38:06 -0500 From: Brian Roach To: "Aaron Randolph" , "Dccycles" Subject: Re: Track Days? Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 02:38:03 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02011502380300.07986@firewall.dcc-racing.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Monday 14 January 2002 22:35, Aaron Randolph wrote: > All of NESBA's track days are for the Jefferson circuit. Are all the other > shops track days on that circuit too? Does anyone do the main circuit? > > Aaron NESBA has two days on the main course in 2002. (See http://www.nesba.com/Events/dates_price.asp ) Unfortunatly, Summit point is pretty much booked solid, so the track-day folks have had a hard time getting dates on the main circuit since they're all fairly new. Some local motorycycle shops have track days on the main course during the summer, but Summit Point does not yet have their 2002 schedule posted on the website. Check http://www.summitpoint-raceway.com every every once in a while for the 2002 schedule - it'll list all the track days. You really should think about making a trip to VIR though... it's a fantastic track and facility. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 15 04:25:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from femail33.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail33.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.254.60.23]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0F9PIj07468 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 04:25:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from attglobal.net ([24.10.231.79]) by femail33.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20020115092517.XOO14680.femail33.sdc1.sfba.home.com@XXXXXX>; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 01:25:17 -0800 Message-ID: <3C43F5B6.C09A3BCA@attglobal.net> Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 04:26:14 -0500 From: Shigeru Honda X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [ja] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Jay St. Peter" CC: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Insurance for bloody foriegners References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit When I was new to this country I had a same problem with insurance and credit cards companies. Well, just have to bite the bullet for the first year... I guess the insurance & credit companies don't share information internationally. No matter how good the record was overseas, they don't count it. I got ripped off on my insurance and the credit card companies only gave me a credit limit of $500 for the first year, all because I had no record in this country. Well things got better from 2nd year. P.S. Isn't 'busa the most expensive bike to insure? Get '95 Kawasaki GPZ1100 ! the insurance on this is super cheap, oh the bike is cheap too! (still on sale...) "Jay St. Peter" wrote: > > A friend of mine is living here from the UK. He is here on a work visa and > wants to buy a bike (a 'busa to be specific). So far he has gotten > insurance quotes just for his bike higher than myself and the wife combined > (3 vehicles and me with long list of speeding tickets). He has been riding > for 20 yrs., but it doesn't seem to count since it wasn't here. > Any ideas for a bloody foriegner to get semi-reasonable insurance? > BTW: Progressive quoted him $2400/yr just for the bike. > > Thanks, > Jay St. Peter > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com -- __/__/__/__/__/__/__/ Shigeru Honda shonda3@XXXXXX __/__/__/__/__/__/__/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 15 05:55:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from m11.boston.juno.com (m11.boston.juno.com [64.136.24.74]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0FAtij08757 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 05:55:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"fTLSAcSSZ0OO+O1u10jMXPxK/ec5LQUUlf4KAgWp2iJr1udxd6B9Jw=="> Received: (from celticracing@XXXXXX) by m11.boston.juno.com (jqueuemail) id GQ7KND84; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 05:55:28 EST To: lgranato@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 05:53:53 -0500 Subject: Re: CCS Track Days @ Summit - No License Required Message-ID: <20020115.055354.-450379.0.CelticRacing@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 2-5,7-15 From: Tom Fitzpatrick I only meant that I don't want anybody thinking that they were Nicky Hayden (#69) and being more aggressive than their own skills warranted. What did you think I meant? I'm confused. . . . Tom On Mon, 14 Jan 2002 23:12:24 -0500 laura granato writes: > On Monday 14 January 2002 22:12, Tom Fitzpatrick wrote: > (i.e., if you are going down, go down > > alone. No "69" passes.) > > > I cannot believe you just said that!!!!!!! This *is* a family list. > :-) > > LAG > From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 15 07:31:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from uxtpaprx1.pwcglobal.com (uxtpaprx1.pwcglobal.com [12.26.159.121]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0FCVej10380 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 07:31:40 -0500 (EST) Received: by uxtpaprx1.pwcglobal.com; id HAA11573; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 07:28:18 -0500 (EST) From: Received: from unknown(10.26.104.81) by uxtpaprx1.nam.pwcinternal.com via smap (V5.5) id xma011129; Tue, 15 Jan 02 07:27:48 -0500 Received: from us-amsmta005.nam.pwcinternal.com (us-amsmta005.us.pw.com) by uxtpabuf1.nam.pwcinternal.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3932) with ESMTP id <0GPZ008EDC0WP1@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 07:29:22 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 07:30:45 -0500 Subject: Re: FW: Darwin Awards To: rydin@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on US-AMSMTA005/US/INTL(Release 5.0.6 |December 14, 2000) at 01/15/2002 07:30:59 AM Damn. That JATO guy wins every year! --chris ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 15 07:44:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0FCijj10558 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 07:44:45 -0500 (EST) X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVYtQUPiP80NpBa11G+MpjPSvlHSN/CN6DL6YTn8KHlgzroQKslJ9WlRO+VzA+teur8= Received: from [204.245.128.170] (helo=jstrang) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with asmtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16QSxI-0006mB-00; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 07:44:44 -0500 Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: , Cc: Subject: RE: FW: Darwin Awards Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 07:43:42 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Importance: Normal JATO story has been around for awhile.... http://www.snopes2.com/autos/dream/jato.htm urban myth. --jon 01 Suz Bandit 1200 > -----Original Message----- > From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX > [mailto:christopher.meier@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 7:31 AM > To: rydin@XXXXXX > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: FW: Darwin Awards > > > > Damn. That JATO guy wins every year! > > --chris > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to > which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged > material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or > taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or > entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If > you received > this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any > computer. > From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 15 08:44:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from itxf2aln09.vfc.com (itxf2aln09.vfc.com [167.64.48.46]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0FDiZj11547 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 08:44:35 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Track Days? To: ricardopontes@XXXXXX Cc: "Dccycles" X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.4 June 8, 2000 Message-ID: From: Kevin_Hawkins@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 08:40:00 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on ITXF2ALN09/InternetMail(Release 5.0.8 |June 18, 2001) at 01/15/2002 08:44:18 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I've done California Superbike, Pridmore's Class and various other trackdays from different organizations and this group has been the best experience so far. http://www.trackdod.org/ Kevin Hawkins kevin_hawkins@XXXXXX http://www.freecfm.com/r/raddboy Y2K Kawasaki ZRX1100 //'93 Yamaha GTS1000 //'85 FZ750 Laura, I looked into cornerspeed, but apparently its at VIR. A bit further away, when i found about MARRC at summit point, and only 80 miles from me, i was pretty excited. Seems the concesus on the list agrees that its not for me. I dont know what to do. I really would like some track days, but you need a racing school to get in? Is there track days I can do at summit point? I wouldnt mind VIR either. Ricardo On Monday 14 January 2002 13:08, Ricardo Pontes wrote: > Anyone has ever taken this course. Its held at summit Point raceway. I have > signed up for it. If you are looking to learn more about riding, MARRC is not the place to do it. If you want to take a road racing school, www.cornerspeed.net. It really helps with riding AND gives you the certificate to get your license. MARRC just does a bunch of skid pad drills and minimal amount at the track. If you want to learn better riding skills, take a riding school, such as a Keith Code type school. If you want to ride on the track to learn, but mostly have fun, I'd recommend track days. It depends on what your intentions are, but MARRC is more geared toward racing. Laura From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 15 09:11:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web11101.mail.yahoo.com (web11101.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.148]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g0FEAxj12012 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 09:10:59 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020115141058.47244.qmail@web11101.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.117.237.234] by web11101.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 06:10:58 PST Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 06:10:58 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: Insurance for bloody foriegners To: "Jay St. Peter" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Farmer's insurance has always been the cheapest I've found when searching for good motorcycle insurance rates. Check with them to see if they can get around this problem. They're in the book. Chris --- "Jay St. Peter" wrote: > A friend of mine is living here from the UK. He is > here on a work visa and > wants to buy a bike (a 'busa to be specific). So > far he has gotten > insurance quotes just for his bike higher than > myself and the wife combined > (3 vehicles and me with long list of speeding > tickets). He has been riding > for 20 yrs., but it doesn't seem to count since it > wasn't here. > Any ideas for a bloody foriegner to get > semi-reasonable insurance? > BTW: Progressive quoted him $2400/yr just for the > bike. > > Thanks, > Jay St. Peter > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: > http://mobile.msn.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 15 09:17:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0FEHcj12198 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 09:17:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from 209-122-199-36.s36.apx1k.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.199.36] helo=209.122.199.36) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16QUPA-0003Vq-00; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 09:17:36 -0500 Message-ID: <3C443A28.6A3E@starpower.net> Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 09:18:22 -0500 From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: pawilson@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-SP32599 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rdrdr CC: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Heated gear strategy... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit rdrdr wrote: > > Paul - much easier to buy those handlebar warmers from Aerostitch and > install them flat inside the seat padding. They cost under $50 and you can > use one for you and one for pillon. Much much simpler than routing coolant > hoses. > ...or is that pantyhoses again? > > Niv > BMW F650ST > Heavy weight silk underwear works for me, both on and off the bike. :) From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 15 09:37:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net (snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0FEaxj12572 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 09:36:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from washdc3-ar2-4-3-185-205.elnk.dsl.gtei.net ([4.3.185.205] helo=llarson.xhost.org) by snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16QUhj-0005Im-00; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 06:36:48 -0800 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020115093133.00b026e0@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 09:37:38 -0500 To: "rdrdr" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: FW: Darwin Awards In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 02:15 AM 1/15/2002, rdrdr wrote: >It's that time again . . . . . They are finally out again. You all know >about the Darwin Awards - Aaahhh, please -- the JATO story, among others, is way more than ten years old. For more current info, read www.darwinawards.com or www.officialdarwinawards.com -- Larry From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 15 10:42:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dgesmtp01.wcom.com (dgesmtp01.wcom.com [199.249.16.16]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0FFgTj13683 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 10:42:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42260) id <0GPZ00A01KXZOO@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 15:41:59 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp03.wcomnet.com ([166.38.58.143]) by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42260) with ESMTP id <0GPZ007LYKXYU9@XXXXXX>; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 15:41:59 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp03.wcomnet.com by dgismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with SMTP id <0GPZ00001KXOYV@XXXXXX>; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 15:41:58 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.49]) by dgismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with ESMTP id <0GPZ00KF1KXISH@XXXXXX>; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 15:41:42 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 10:41:38 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Heated gear strategy... To: Larry Larson Cc: Ricardo Pontes , Dccycles Message-id: <3C444DB2.B8238A2A@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <3C434C97.3CB08706@home.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20020114185859.00afb8c0@XXXXXX> Larry Larson wrote: > > Maybe she meant pantyhose, which bicycle racers have worn in cold weather > for decades -- along with shaving their legs in case of road rash. Shaving legs in case of road rash??? I'm not understanding this bit... Hork -- MSL! SMG! (Chatty Moron TM's) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth AWSHIDT #322 - Completed. 99 Highway Signs! '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 15 10:54:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0FFspj13842 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 10:54:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-32.patriot.net [209.249.180.32]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0FFskn24149; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 10:54:46 -0500 Message-ID: <3C445062.8024A52C@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 10:53:06 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dale Horstman CC: Larry Larson , Ricardo Pontes , Dccycles Subject: Re: Heated gear strategy... References: <3C434C97.3CB08706@home.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20020114185859.00afb8c0@XXXXXX> <3C444DB2.B8238A2A@XXXXXX> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dale Horstman wrote: > Larry Larson wrote: > > > > Maybe she meant pantyhose, which bicycle racers have worn in cold weather > > for decades -- along with shaving their legs in case of road rash. > > Shaving legs in case of road rash??? I'm not understanding this bit... > > Hork A hairless leg results in less pain when the bandages/scabs come off. Which is why the cute nurse shaves your fuzzy bod before an operation. Bill From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 15 11:00:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from bonaire.brauhausdc.org (cj463119-a.alngtn1.va.home.com [24.37.122.86]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0FG0Ij14021 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 11:00:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from bonaire.brauhausdc.org (prometheus.brauhausdc.org [192.168.64.1]) by bonaire.brauhausdc.org (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id g0FG07m00687 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 11:00:07 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 11:00:07 -0500 (EST) From: "Daniel H. Brown" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Heated gear strategy... In-Reply-To: <3C444DB2.B8238A2A@home.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 15 Jan 2002, Dale Horstman wrote: > Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 10:41:38 -0500 > From: Dale Horstman > > Larry Larson wrote: > > > > Maybe she meant pantyhose, which bicycle racers have worn in cold weather > > for decades -- along with shaving their legs in case of road rash. > > Shaving legs in case of road rash??? I'm not understanding this bit... > Bicyclists do it because it supposedly prevents having hair to get stuck in the wounds after. Bicycle road rash and motorcycle road rash, in my mind, different ends of the spectrum though. -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 15 11:05:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dcmail0.dc.gov (dcmail1b.dc.gov [151.200.161.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0FG5Bj14108 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 11:05:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from dcmail2b.dc.gov ([10.128.7.15]) by dcmail0.dc.gov with ESMTP id <20020115160510.YQTF10373.dcmail0@XXXXXX> for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 11:05:10 -0500 Received: from dcopexch.dcop.dcgov.org ([164.82.14.6]) by dcmail2b.dc.gov with ESMTP id <20020115160412.EZFR4246.dcmail2b@XXXXXX> for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 11:04:12 -0500 Received: by DCOPEXCH with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 10:54:47 -0500 Message-ID: <2344588A203AD311B7950090276269862CF7B2@CWDEXCH0> From: "Lantech (DCOP)" To: "'Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: RE: Heated gear strategy... Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 11:03:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Not sure how this is gonna sound, especially after all the Ladies' Underwear giggles, but I'll wear latex gloves under my Kevlar gloves. Nice and toasty plus you don't need gorilla grip to work the clutch like you sometimes do with regular winter gloves. I've never been one for electric gear--- too complicated for my blonde brain cells! And it's always been my fingers that get cold. (Plus, with three layers of lingerie and some nice rubber gloves... now, that's a good ride!)(sorry, I couldn't resist, but at least the part about the rubber gloves keeping you warmer is for real!) -patti Patti the Lantech '95 Virago 750 From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 15 11:36:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dgesmtp01.wcom.com (dgesmtp01.wcom.com [199.249.16.16]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0FGahj14654 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 11:36:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42260) id <0GPZ00901NFGQ4@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 16:35:40 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp01.wcomnet.com ([166.38.58.141]) by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42260) with ESMTP id <0GPZ007IONFB03@XXXXXX>; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 16:35:40 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp01.wcomnet.com by dgismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with SMTP id <0GPZ00H01NEZN2@XXXXXX>; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 16:35:35 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.49]) by dgismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with ESMTP id <0GPZ00G9DNEU3G@XXXXXX>; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 16:35:18 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 11:35:14 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: FW: Darwin Awards To: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Cc: rydin@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3C445A42.15C3AEB3@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: christopher.meier@XXXXXX wrote: > > Damn. That JATO guy wins every year! :) Hork -- MSL! SMG! (Chatty Moron TM's) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth AWSHIDT #322 - Completed. 99 Highway Signs! '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 15 11:48:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from relay1.softcomca.com (relay.softcomca.com [168.144.1.67] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0FGmaj14809 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 11:48:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from m2w049 ([168.144.108.49]) by relay1.softcomca.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.3779); Tue, 15 Jan 2002 11:48:29 -0500 X-Originating-IP: 206.20.132.104 X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ Subject: RE: Re: Heated gear strategy... Sender: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 11:48:32 -0500 To: "brown@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: JMail 3.7.0 by Dimac (www.dimac.net) Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jan 2002 16:48:29.0439 (UTC) FILETIME=[759CA8F0:01C19DE4] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-Printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g0FGmcj14810 Remember though ... bicyclists have more bare skin exposed (e.g., arms, legs) and only a thin layer of lycra to "protect" them in the event of a crash (OK, squids have about the same). But a motorcyclist has "protective gear" such as leather and armor. Most bicycle road rash is a direct result of skin coming into contact with the pavement. Unless your motorcycle gear bursts or is punctured, motorcycle road rash is generally a result of sking rubbing inside the gear. Depending on the length of the slide involved, the two results could actually be pretty similar. All I know is that the road rash I've gotten from bicycle accidents has been worse than my motorcycle mishaps (including my "deerhunter" accident where I tumbled/slid down the road quite a ways). Chuck P.S. My heated gear strategy: SUV with a heater and heated seats! %^) Original Message: ----------------- From: Daniel H. Brown brown@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 11:00:07 -0500 (EST) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Heated gear strategy... Bicyclists do it because it supposedly prevents having hair to get stuck in the wounds after. Bicycle road rash and motorcycle road rash, in my mind, different ends of the spectrum though. -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 15 11:51:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from relay3.softcomca.com ([168.144.1.70]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0FGp4j14889 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 11:51:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from M2W017 ([168.144.108.17]) by relay3.softcomca.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.2966); Tue, 15 Jan 2002 11:51:07 -0500 X-Originating-IP: 206.20.132.104 X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ Subject: RE: Re: Heated gear strategy... Sender: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 11:52:37 -0500 To: "the.horkster@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: JMail 3.7.0 by Dimac (www.dimac.net) Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jan 2002 16:51:07.0416 (UTC) FILETIME=[D3C60980:01C19DE4] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-Printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g0FGp5j14890 And you know what they say ... Once a woman has a man with shaved legs, she never goes back! %^) Chuck (former bicycle racer who still shaves his legs because old habits are hard to break) Original Message: ----------------- From: Dale Horstman the.horkster@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 10:41:38 -0500 To: pltrgyst@XXXXXX, ricardopontes@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Heated gear strategy... Larry Larson wrote: > > Maybe she meant pantyhose, which bicycle racers have worn in cold weather > for decades -- along with shaving their legs in case of road rash. Shaving legs in case of road rash??? I'm not understanding this bit... Hork -- MSL! SMG! (Chatty Moron TM's) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth AWSHIDT #322 - Completed. 99 Highway Signs! '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 15 12:14:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from medusa.veiinternet.com ([207.244.8.40]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0FHEmj15246 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 12:14:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from (unverified [127.0.0.1]) by medusa.veiinternet.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.1.202) with ESMTP id for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 12:14:37 -0500 Message-ID: <6f81a215daa741dbaef29f1fa60d1abc.kirk@vei.net> X-EM-APIVersion: 2, 0, 0, 7 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) From: "Kirk Roy" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Heated gear strategy... Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 12:14:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g0FHEtj15247 Daniel H. Brown wrote: > On Tue, 15 Jan 2002, Dale Horstman wrote: > > Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 10:41:38 -0500 > > From: Dale Horstman > > > > Larry Larson wrote: > > > > > > Maybe she meant pantyhose, which bicycle racers have worn in cold weather > > > for decades -- along with shaving their legs in case of road rash. > > > > Shaving legs in case of road rash??? I'm not understanding this bit... > > Bicyclists do it because it supposedly prevents having hair to get stuck in > the wounds after. Bicycle road rash and motorcycle road rash, in my mind, > different ends of the spectrum though. Perhaps some bicycle racers really do believe it's in case of road rash but, as a former racer, I think it's bogus. I did it for a few reasons: 1) because bicycle racers shave their legs! it shows a certain dedication to the sport, 2) it keeps you from looking like a "fred" (a goober) 3) it gives you a good idea of who NOT to be behind (just one way to see that someone's inexperience and more likely to cause a crash or do some other bad thing to mess up your chances at doing well in the race - kind of like the t-shirts they make beginner motorcycle racers wear over their leathers), 4) it's a way to snub the general population, 5) it shows off the musculature. Of course, there's a lot of generalization in there (e.g., there are good/safe racers who don't shave their legs). Kirk From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 15 12:28:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp018.mail.yahoo.com (smtp018.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.115]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g0FHSQj15500 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 12:28:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from cp93425-a.mtgmry1.md.home.com (HELO cp93425a) (67.161.33.71) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2002 17:28:25 -0000 From: "rdrdr" To: Subject: RE: Insurance for bloody foriegners Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 12:28:06 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20020115141058.47244.qmail@web11101.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal When I first got here I brought with me a letter (in English!) from my insurance agent abroad that said I had no claims for 2 years. Got me a big discount. If your friend can get a letter like that call a few different agents and find out if that would help. Niv BMW F650ST _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 15 12:41:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from laundry.annapurna.com (rob-0.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.145.59]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0FHfmj15682 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 12:41:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from odinseat.annapurna.com (dhcp-3.it.hq.nasa.gov [131.182.119.243]) by laundry.annapurna.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g0FHcCk19417 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 12:38:13 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from rob@XXXXXX) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020115123244.03cdedb0@mail.hq.nasa.gov> X-Sender: rob@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 12:38:34 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Rob Winters Subject: OT: reckless ticketing Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed From the "it could be worse" department comes this story. "Racing" at 47mph in a 31? /// Rob >Monday January 14 10:30 AM ET > >A $100,000 Speeding Fine?? > >HELSINKI (Reuters) - A senior executive of the world's largest mobile >phone maker Nokia is appealing a record $103,600 fine for speeding because >his income has dropped, Finnish media and officials said Monday. > >Millionaire and Harley Davidson enthusiast Anssi Vanjoki was caught racing >his motorbike down a Helsinki street in October at 47 mph in a 31 mph >zone, the newspaper Ilta-Sanomat reported. > >Unlike in many other countries, Finnish traffic fines vary according to >the offender's average income. > >The fine was based on Vanjoki's 1999 income which was boosted by big >options sales. But Vanjoki's income dropped drastically last year as >Nokia's share price fell alongside other tech shares, making option sales >uneconomical. > >Vanjoki's fine is believed to be the largest ever traffic penalty in >Finland, beating a fine of more than $71,000 handed down to Internet >millionaire Jaakko Rytsola and one of $31,200 given to Vanjoki's >colleague, Nokia president Pekka Ala-Pietila. > >A Helsinki district court official confirmed to Reuters that Vanjoki's >appeal would be heard on May 15. > From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 15 13:06:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web14002.mail.yahoo.com (web14002.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.93]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g0FI6dj16160 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 13:06:39 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020115180610.5663.qmail@web14002.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.229.31.24] by web14002.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 10:06:10 PST Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 10:06:10 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: RE: Heated gear strategy... To: "Lantech \(DCOP\)" , "'Dc-Cycles \(E-mail\)" In-Reply-To: <2344588A203AD311B7950090276269862CF7B2@CWDEXCH0> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The electric vest is quite effective for keeping my fingers warm. Warm body means the blood can keep flowing to extremities. Warm blood in the fingers and toes keeps them from getting cold. I've got electric gloves, but haven't needed to wear them yet this winter. I haven't needed the bike with the big windscreen either. Leon. --- "Lantech (DCOP)" wrote: >I've never been one for > electric gear--- too > complicated for my blonde brain cells! And it's > always been my fingers that > get cold. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 15 13:10:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from spaw1.hq.af.mil (spaw1.hq.af.mil [134.205.190.73]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0FIAWj16174 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 13:10:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from atlantech.net (wlafpca-oax108.comm.hq.af.mil [134.205.80.60]) by spaw1.hq.af.mil (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA46502 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 13:09:34 -0500 Message-ID: <3C44708B.B0A51083@atlantech.net> Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 13:10:19 -0500 From: Jim Shoemaker X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Heated gear strategy... (NMC) References: <3C434C97.3CB08706@home.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20020114185859.00afb8c0@XXXXXX> <3C444DB2.B8238A2A@XXXXXX> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've done a little bicycle road racing, too and my main reasons for shaving we're 1. Easier to clean up road rash. 2. I've found it to be cooler in the summer. 3. Massages feel better with shaved vs. hairy legs 4. After putting thousands of miles & hundreds of hours into training...I want to show off those gams! As an added bonus, it's a great ice breaker at summer parties. You've now got something in common with (almost) all women in this country. She: Are your legs shaved?! Me: Yes, they are. She: Why? Me: I'm a bike racer (insert one of reasons 1-3 above). Don't you just hate that part around your ankle bone? She: Yeah, around the kneecap, too Voila. Instant conversation starter..... ;-) --Jim --'00 Monster 750 --'97 Serotta CSI Dale Horstman wrote: > > > Shaving legs in case of road rash??? I'm not understanding this bit... > From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 15 13:56:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from rhino.spottedcat.com (IDENT:root@[63.91.14.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0FIuhj16969 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 13:56:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (hcaldwell@localhost) by rhino.spottedcat.com (8.11.6/8.8.7) with ESMTP id g0FIp6d01453 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 13:51:06 -0500 Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 13:51:06 -0500 (EST) From: hcaldwell X-Sender: hcaldwell@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Heated gear strategy... In-Reply-To: <6f81a215daa741dbaef29f1fa60d1abc.kirk@vei.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 15 Jan 2002, Kirk Roy wrote: > Perhaps some bicycle racers really do believe it's in case of road rash but, as a former racer, I think it's bogus. I did it for a few reasons: 1) 6) It looks better with fishnet stockings! ;p > > Kirk > From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 15 14:07:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from medusa.veiinternet.com ([207.244.8.40]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0FJ7Rj17201 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 14:07:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from (unverified [127.0.0.1]) by medusa.veiinternet.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.1.202) with ESMTP id for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 14:07:23 -0500 Message-ID: <7c13b530f2ef45f2abff801fe2ba5c7a.kirk@vei.net> X-EM-APIVersion: 2, 0, 0, 7 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) From: "Kirk Roy" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Heated gear strategy... Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 14:07:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g0FJ7Uj17202 hcaldwell wrote: > On Tue, 15 Jan 2002, Kirk Roy wrote: > > > Perhaps some bicycle racers really do believe it's in case of road rash but, > > as a former racer, I think it's bogus. I did it for a few reasons: 1) > > 6) It looks better with fishnet stockings! ;p I deny any such knowledge. Kirk From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 15 14:14:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0FJEuj17309 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 14:14:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from firewall.dcc-racing.org (pcp015529pcs.harngt01.de.comcast.net [68.34.52.32]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id g0FJEn330284; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 14:14:50 -0500 From: Brian Roach To: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" , "brown@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Re: Heated gear strategy... Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 14:14:49 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02011514144901.07986@firewall.dcc-racing.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Tuesday 15 January 2002 11:48, cvkgpena@XXXXXX wrote: > Unless your motorcycle gear > bursts or is punctured, motorcycle road rash is generally a result of sking > rubbing inside the gear. Depending on the length of the sli e involved, > the two results could actually be pretty similar. As I'm becoming somewhat of an expert of this subject... When you fall off your bike, the initial impact will generally remove a large section of skin from whatever hits the ground first. Nothing serious, but it really does sting like a $#@^!. There's a lot of force in the impact, and the resulting friction between your skin and the inside of the leathers is rather strong. I've also found that wearing an inner liner (cool suit) seems to have little effect on the outcome. I have scars if anyone needs illustrated examples :) - Roach From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 15 14:33:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web9705.mail.yahoo.com (web9705.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.129.143]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g0FJXuj17623 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 14:33:56 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020115193355.48987.qmail@web9705.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.172.77.120] by web9705.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 11:33:55 PST Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 11:33:55 -0800 (PST) From: Scratch Subject: Ozzie JATO To: DCC MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii All y'all gen X bikers need to run out and get the newly-released edition of Mad Max (the original, not that Tina Turner shite). It'll make you want to run out and buy an old KZ1000 to... ah... customize. And as an added bonus, there are 2 documentaries included. One of which shows the Nightrider's car go careening past the camera with a NAVY ROCKET propelling it to 148mph, sliding sideways, and exiting the shot going backwards! It don't git no better 'n 'at. cu, Rich "The Bronze takes your pride away." - Toecutter __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 15 14:41:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web20110.mail.yahoo.com (web20110.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.47]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g0FJfmj17765 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 14:41:48 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020115194146.74501.qmail@web20110.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.205.6.30] by web20110.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 11:41:46 PST Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 11:41:46 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: Re: Heated gear strategy... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <02011514144901.07986@firewall.dcc-racing.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I too can attest to skin-flagilation while still inside of gear. I have a nice 7 inch scar on my left arm from when I decided to cartwheel down US-75 last July. The jacket sleeve is intact, just the armor ripped off. Somehow the road-surface working thru the jacket sleeve tore out a big gash of flesh - almost to the bone. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 15 14:42:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail.toward.com ([204.194.180.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0FJgqj17839 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 14:42:52 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 14:42:11 -0500 Message-Id: <200201151442.AA65733126@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: "List-dc cycles" Subject: Helmet Cam for MC X-Mailer: What about a helmet camera? Anybody try this? Anybody have a take on how it would be received in your local courts? LANE RANGER: 'Helmet cam' spies for cyclist Joey Ledford - Staff Sunday, January 13, 2002 http://www.accessatlanta.com/ajc/epaper/editions/sunday/metro_c314924d4285600f1042.html Brian McCoy calls himself "the Invisible Motorcyclist," and unfortunately many riders feel that way in Atlanta traffic. "If you're not thinking about motorcycles being out there, they can be hard to see," said McCoy, 27, an Acworth computer specialist. McCoy doesn'town a car, so he's on his Yamaha Seca every day, regardless of weather. And, he said, more often he's the victim of near misses by car drivers who either don't signal or don't see him. There's also a cadre of just plain mean drivers who seem to harass motorcyclists, he said. So in a bid for increased visibility and self-protection, McCoy has invested $500 in a helmet camera. It sticks to his helmet with Velcro and basically sees what he does --- for up to four hours at a time. Not unlike "catcher cam" in baseball or the mobile cameras on NASCAR telecasts, McCoy's idea is to film motorists in the act. He turned to technology after being told by police that to make a case against a motorist, he needed two witnesses --- a tough order when someone is riding solo on a motorcycle. "When I'm faced with drivers who make direct, knowing and menacing actions to run me over, I have to find some way to take action," he said. Metro Atlanta police are pretty much united that they can't make a traffic case against a driver based on just another motorist's testimony. Typically, they say they must personally witness an offense to make a case. But the "helmet cam" is a different matter. Cobb County Solicitor Barry Morgan, who heads the Solicitors Association of Georgia, said he sees no reason offenders caught on camera could not be prosecuted. "If we can identify who's behind the wheel, sure, it's just as good a case as if it were on a police officer's video," he said. Morgan said McCoy or other mobile videographers need only take their videotape to police or to a prosecutor's office. If he can establish location and positively identify the driver, Morgan said he would willingly prosecute. Cobb police Cmdr. George Hatfield agrees that motorcycling is more dangerous in metro Atlanta than it should be. However, Hatfield said he personally would be hesitant to make a case based on a helmet camera "unless it was something egregious like reckless driving." "I am leery of a private citizen with a video camera doing that," he said. "I don't want to have vigilante traffic enforcement out there." Hatfield added, however, that if solicitors are willing to proceed with videotape evidence, he wouldn't oppose it. Motorists with video evidence of wrongdoing against them can show it to a solicitor if it's a misdemeanor, to a district attorney if it's a felony or ask a magistrate for a hearing. Meanwhile, a related effort to make motorists more aware of motorcyclists has gotten a boost with the contribution of a free billboard. Kathy Malone of Snellville, who for years has distributed purple bumper stickers that say, "Look Twice --- Save a Life. Motorcycles are Everywhere," said there's a billboard message at southbound I-285 and Camp Creek Parkway. Her son, Lance, was killed in DeKalb County in 1995 by a truck driver who pulled out directly in front of his motorcycle. The billboard was made possible by ABATE of Georgia, a statewide motorcycle club, said Malone. McCoy applauds the message. "I always give thumbs up to cars that have that bumper sticker message," he said. "I'm just looking to increase awareness." traffic@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 15 15:03:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web11101.mail.yahoo.com (web11101.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.148]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g0FK3Kj18200 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 15:03:20 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020115200319.30314.qmail@web11101.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.117.237.234] by web11101.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 12:03:19 PST Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 12:03:19 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: Helmet Cam for MC To: cnorloff@XXXXXX, List-dc cycles In-Reply-To: <200201151442.AA65733126@mail.toward.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I wonder if this is the ex-dcc'er Brian McCoy? He went to Arizona to MMI, then who knows where. I thought he settled in NorCal, but I'm not sure. Roach, do you know? Chris --- Chris Norloff wrote: > What about a helmet camera? > > Anybody try this? Anybody have a take on how it > would be received in your local courts? > > > LANE RANGER: 'Helmet cam' spies for cyclist > Joey Ledford - Staff > Sunday, January 13, 2002 > http://www.accessatlanta.com/ajc/epaper/editions/sunday/metro_c314924d4285600f1042.html > > Brian McCoy calls himself "the Invisible > Motorcyclist," and unfortunately many riders feel > that way in Atlanta traffic. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 15 15:17:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server1.mckissack.com (mail.mckissackdc.com [209.8.13.194]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0FKH6j18505 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 15:17:07 -0500 (EST) Received: by SERVER1 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 15:16:31 -0500 Message-ID: From: RichH@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Helmet Cam for MC Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 15:16:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" It is. He's on the Seca II list. Some might say ruler of that list since he went to MMI. He's now as the article says in Atlanta. -----Original Message----- From: Chris Weaver [mailto:chris_vtr@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 3:03 PM To: cnorloff@XXXXXX; List-dc cycles Subject: Re: Helmet Cam for MC I wonder if this is the ex-dcc'er Brian McCoy? He went to Arizona to MMI, then who knows where. I thought he settled in NorCal, but I'm not sure. Roach, do you know? Chris --- Chris Norloff wrote: > What about a helmet camera? > > Anybody try this? Anybody have a take on how it > would be received in your local courts? > > > LANE RANGER: 'Helmet cam' spies for cyclist > Joey Ledford - Staff > Sunday, January 13, 2002 > http://www.accessatlanta.com/ajc/epaper/editions/sunday/metro_c314924d428560 0f1042.html From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 15 15:21:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from gecko.troutman.org ([209.120.170.19]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0FKL4j18593 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 15:21:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from vulture.wheatintl.com (vulture [209.120.170.69]) by gecko.troutman.org (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g0FKKuE20991 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 15:20:56 -0500 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020115151914.02657bb0@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 15:20:02 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Helmet Cam for MC In-Reply-To: <20020115200319.30314.qmail@web11101.mail.yahoo.com> References: <200201151442.AA65733126@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 03:03 PM 1/15/02, you wrote: >I wonder if this is the ex-dcc'er Brian McCoy? He went >to Arizona to MMI, then who knows where. I thought he >settled in NorCal, but I'm not sure. Roach, do you >know? Brian on a Seca? Maybe - but it doesn't sound like his choice of ride. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 15 15:21:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web20104.mail.yahoo.com (web20104.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.41]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g0FKLLj18603 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 15:21:21 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020115202120.4641.qmail@web20104.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.205.6.30] by web20104.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 12:21:20 PST Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 12:21:20 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: Helmet Cam for MC To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020115200319.30314.qmail@web11101.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'd be curious to observe the manner in which Mr. McCoy rides. Yes, I know comatose drivers are par for the course. But I've seen plenty of MC rider activity and behavior that simply lends itself to getting side-swiped or "not seen." I've only gotten 2 years and 45k miles on bikes so far but dangerous conditions haven't been all that common. The worst road seems to be Fairfax County Parkway for whatever reason. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 15 15:23:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from gecko.troutman.org ([209.120.170.19]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0FKNVj18625 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 15:23:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from vulture.wheatintl.com (vulture [209.120.170.69]) by gecko.troutman.org (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g0FKNNE21004 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 15:23:23 -0500 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020115152212.03113810@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 15:23:04 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: RE: Helmet Cam for MC In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 03:16 PM 1/15/02, RichH@XXXXXX wrote: >It is. He's on the Seca II list. Some might say ruler of that list since >he went to MMI. He's now as the article says in Atlanta. Wow - I stand corrected. Good for Brian. Hope he catches some offenders. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 15 15:38:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m05.mx.aol.com (imo-m05.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.8]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0FKc4j18895 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 15:38:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo-m05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.25.) id r.10f.a98c755 (15886); Tue, 15 Jan 2002 15:37:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from web36.aolmail.aol.com (web36.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.222.12]) by air-id08.mx.aol.com (v82.22) with ESMTP id MAILINID81-0115153718; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 15:37:18 -0500 Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 15:37:17 EST From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Helmet Cam for MC To: , , Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: <10f.a98c755.2975ecfe@aol.com> I bet you it is. All the details sound about right. Age, bike, etc. Scooter In a message dated Tue, 15 Jan 2002 3:05:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, Chris Weaver writes: > I wonder if this is the ex-dcc'er Brian McCoy? He went > to Arizona to MMI, then who knows where. I thought he > settled in NorCal, but I'm not sure. Roach, do you > know? > > Chris > > --- Chris Norloff wrote: > > What about a helmet camera? > > > > Anybody try this? Anybody have a take on how it > > would be received in your local courts? > > > > > > LANE RANGER: 'Helmet cam' spies for cyclist > > Joey Ledford - Staff > > Sunday, January 13, 2002 > > > http://www.accessatlanta.com/ajc/epaper/editions/sunday/metro_c314924d4285600f1042.html > > > > Brian McCoy calls himself "the Invisible > > Motorcyclist," and unfortunately many riders feel > > that way in Atlanta traffic. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! > http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 15 15:49:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server1.mckissack.com (mail.mckissackdc.com [209.8.13.194]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0FKnij19169 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 15:49:44 -0500 (EST) Received: by SERVER1 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 15:49:14 -0500 Message-ID: From: RichH@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Helmet Cam for MC Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 15:49:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I shouldn't admit this, but the Seca II is his girlfriends. Brian McCoy 86/87 VFR F2 mongrel 95 Seca II -----Original Message----- From: Troutman [mailto:mike@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 3:20 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Helmet Cam for MC At 03:03 PM 1/15/02, you wrote: >I wonder if this is the ex-dcc'er Brian McCoy? He went >to Arizona to MMI, then who knows where. I thought he >settled in NorCal, but I'm not sure. Roach, do you >know? Brian on a Seca? Maybe - but it doesn't sound like his choice of ride. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 15 16:04:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtpout.mac.com (smtpout.mac.com [204.179.120.89]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0FL4fj19413 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 16:04:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-relay02.mac.com (server-source-si02 [10.13.10.6]) by smtpout.mac.com (8.12.1/8.10.2/1.0) with ESMTP id g0FL4dk9026018 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 13:04:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from asmtp01.mac.com ([10.13.10.65]) by smtp-relay02.mac.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 relay02 Jun 21 2001 23:53:48) with ESMTP id GPZZVR00.9AH for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 13:04:39 -0800 Received: from ippool136-178.corp.us.uu.net ([153.39.136.178]) by asmtp01.mac.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 asmtp01 Jun 21 2001 23:53:48) with ESMTP id GPZZVQ00.7AP for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 13:04:38 -0800 Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 16:04:23 -0500 Subject: Re: Helmet Cam for MC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v480) From: Sean Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20020115202120.4641.qmail@web20104.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <73BFE6B6-09FB-11D6-AE62-003065B452D2@mac.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.480) On Tuesday, January 15, 2002, at 03:21 , matthew patton wrote: > I'd be curious to observe the manner in which Mr. > McCoy rides. Brian's a fairly good rider. Spent a season or two racing....but he's also attentive; not a squid or head-in-the-clouds-rider by any means. He was working for Traxxion Dynamics, a nationally recognized MC suspension-tuning shop. I know he left the company some time ago, though, and was looking for work. Guess he went back to being a computer geek. Sean Jordan Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 15 16:15:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server1.mckissack.com (mail.mckissackdc.com [209.8.13.194]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0FLFJj19678 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 16:15:19 -0500 (EST) Received: by SERVER1 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 16:14:49 -0500 Message-ID: From: RichH@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Helmet Cam for MC Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 16:14:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" He's mentioned putting together networks in his emails. Said the MC gig wasn't paying enough. -----Original Message----- From: Sean Jordan [mailto:eternity23@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 4:04 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Helmet Cam for MC On Tuesday, January 15, 2002, at 03:21 , matthew patton wrote: > I'd be curious to observe the manner in which Mr. > McCoy rides. Brian's a fairly good rider. Spent a season or two racing....but he's also attentive; not a squid or head-in-the-clouds-rider by any means. He was working for Traxxion Dynamics, a nationally recognized MC suspension-tuning shop. I know he left the company some time ago, though, and was looking for work. Guess he went back to being a computer geek. Sean Jordan Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 15 16:45:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from nceaexchange.ncea.org (smtp.ncea.org [64.242.194.132]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0FLjJj20178 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 16:45:19 -0500 (EST) Received: by NCEAEXCHANGE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 16:45:10 -0500 Message-ID: <79B36BCD74CDD411AE4000508B55FC5F45E3A5@NCEAEXCHANGE> From: bernescut@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Helmet Cam for MC Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 16:45:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Wow, just today I ran across his page on another list. http://www.hondavfr.org Cedric 1996 CBR600F3 (R.I.P.) Annandale, VA "Who is General Failure and why is he reading my hard disk?" I shouldn't admit this, but the Seca II is his girlfriends. Brian McCoy 86/87 VFR F2 mongrel 95 Seca II From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 15 22:13:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0G3Drj25178 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 22:13:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-32.patriot.net [209.249.180.32]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0G3De524216; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 22:13:40 -0500 Message-ID: <3C44EF82.C55C27F@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 22:12:02 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: matthew patton CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Helmet Cam for MC References: <20020115202120.4641.qmail@web20104.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit matthew patton wrote: > I'd be curious to observe the manner in which Mr. > McCoy rides. Yes, I know comatose drivers are par for > the course. But I've seen plenty of MC rider activity > and behavior that simply lends itself to getting > side-swiped or "not seen." I've only gotten 2 years > and 45k miles on bikes so far but dangerous conditions > haven't been all that common. The worst road seems to > be Fairfax County Parkway for whatever reason. Then you should try navigating Atlanta, anal pucker territory. Ranks #1 on my list of places to avoid. Bill From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 16 09:43:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail.toward.com ([204.194.180.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0GEhUj05489 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 09:43:30 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 09:42:48 -0500 Message-Id: <200201160942.AA8192546@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: "'Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: RE: Heated gear strategy... X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Lantech (DCOP)" >(Plus, with three layers of lingerie and some nice rubber gloves... now, >that's a good ride!)(sorry, I couldn't resist, but at least the part about >the rubber gloves keeping you warmer is for real!) And if you ever do go down (God forbid) just think what the emergency workers will think! Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 16 10:14:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from pmesmtp01.wcom.com (pmesmtp01.wcom.com [199.249.20.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0GFEqj06016 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 10:14:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #47837) id <0GQ100601ECIH9@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 15:14:42 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp03.wcomnet.com ([166.38.58.143]) by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #47837) with ESMTP id <0GQ1005L9ECH26@XXXXXX>; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 15:14:42 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp03.wcomnet.com by dgismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with SMTP id <0GQ100A01EC3LE@XXXXXX>; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 15:14:41 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.49]) by dgismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with ESMTP id <0GQ100A9GEC10Q@XXXXXX>; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 15:14:25 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 10:14:17 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Helmet Cam for MC To: matthew patton Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3C4598C9.1A20E713@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <20020115202120.4641.qmail@web20104.mail.yahoo.com> matthew patton wrote: > > I'd be curious to observe the manner in which Mr. > McCoy rides. Well, without sounding too judgemental, from his days here on DC Cycles, he ranted occasionally about having to put a boot to an idiot cager's side mirror on at least one occasion (maybe more), and I recall a story about him chasing down a bus in order to yell at the driver. Draw your own conclusions, but mellower riders don't tend to have incidents quite like this as often as Brian did. He is (or was) a part time club racer at Summit, took a motorcycle mechanic's school, hasn't owned a car in years, insisted on owning a good helmet and an one-piece Aerostich when he barely had enough money to keep a VF500 running - there's no doubt he's what I'd classify as a "dedicated motorcyclist", (I also classify him as a friend, but we never had time to hang out much...) but he might be wound a little too tight for day-to-day urban commuting, IMO. I've never known him to *not* ride hard. I kinda wonder if he'll go out looking for idiots to videotape. Of course, from what I've heard about drivers in Atlanta, that probably won't be hard. :) Hork -- MSL! SMG! (Chatty Moron TM's) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth AWSHIDT #322 - Completed. 99 Highway Signs! '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 16 14:38:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0GJcej10476 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 14:38:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from firewall.dcc-racing.org (cable.dcc-racing.org [68.34.52.32]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id g0GJc3w01768; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 14:38:04 -0500 From: laura granato To: "Alan Nelson" , "Brian McCoy" , "James Gaal" , "Jay Goddard" , "Judy" , "Kit Ogilvie" , "Steve - DND" , "Taylor J" , "brian kcraget" , "chuck pena" , "dc cycles" , "donnie tingle" , "greg piper" , "jeanette zell" , "jennilynne guthridge" , "joann baker" , "mike troutman" , "rosalie lacorazza" , "sally wood" , "sherwood deforest" , "steve keener" , "tony barbaro" , "wendy gaal" ; rgranato@XXXXXX; webmaster@XXXXXX Subject: Press Release in Roadracing World! Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 14:38:03 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02011614380304.09566@firewall.dcc-racing.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Check it out! :-) http://venus.13x.com/roadracingworld/index.html Laura From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 16 15:36:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from nceaexchange.ncea.org (smtp.ncea.org [64.242.194.132]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0GKaDj11538 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 15:36:15 -0500 (EST) Received: by NCEAEXCHANGE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 15:36:09 -0500 Message-ID: <79B36BCD74CDD411AE4000508B55FC5F45E3AD@NCEAEXCHANGE> From: bernescut@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Press Release in Roadracing World! Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 15:36:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" WooHoo! Congratulations Laura, I'm looking forward to seeing more about you folks in Roadracing World, like maybe the season finale covershot :) Maybe everyone on DC-Cycles can chip in and we can become an official sponsor. Maybe your team could set up a BillPay account or something like that? Cedric 1996 CBR600F3 (R.I.P.) Annandale, VA Check it out! :-) http://venus.13x.com/roadracingworld/index.html Laura From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 16 16:30:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from relay3.softcomca.com ([168.144.1.70]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0GLUMj12422 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 16:30:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from m2w030 ([168.144.108.30]) by relay3.softcomca.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.2966); Wed, 16 Jan 2002 16:27:05 -0500 X-Originating-IP: 206.20.132.104 X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ Subject: RE: Press Release in Roadracing World! Sender: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 16:30:22 -0500 To: "lgranato@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: JMail 3.7.0 by Dimac (www.dimac.net) Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jan 2002 21:27:05.0662 (UTC) FILETIME=[8BAB9DE0:01C19ED4] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-Printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g0GLUQj12423 Kewl. If you need sponsorship $$$, y'all should do a "Sirens" motorcycle babe calendar! %^) Chuck Original Message: ----------------- From: laura granato lgranato@XXXXXX Check it out! :-) http://venus.13x.com/roadracingworld/index.html -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 16 16:33:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from relay1.softcomca.com (relay.softcomca.com [168.144.1.67] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0GLX8j12432 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 16:33:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from m2w045 ([168.144.108.45]) by relay1.softcomca.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.3779); Wed, 16 Jan 2002 16:29:52 -0500 X-Originating-IP: 206.20.132.104 X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ Subject: RE: Press Release in Roadracing World! Sender: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 16:33:12 -0500 To: "lgranato@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: JMail 3.7.0 by Dimac (www.dimac.net) Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jan 2002 21:29:52.0545 (UTC) FILETIME=[EF23F110:01C19ED4] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-Printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g0GLX8j12433 Kewl. If you need sponsorship $$$, y'all should do a "Sirens" motorcycle babe calendar! %^) Chuck Original Message: ----------------- From: laura granato lgranato@XXXXXX Check it out! :-) http://venus.13x.com/roadracingworld/index.html -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 16 17:50:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0GMoGj13681 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 17:50:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-113-180.s434.tnt8.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.113.180] helo=palladio1) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16Qysj-0003hE-00; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 17:50:10 -0500 Message-ID: <037101c19ee0$d4caadc0$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: Cc: "dc-cycles list" References: <200201160942.AA8192546@mail.toward.com> Subject: Re: Heated gear strategy... Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 16:39:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Norloff" > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: "Lantech (DCOP)" > >(Plus, with three layers of lingerie and some nice rubber gloves... now, > >that's a good ride!)(sorry, I couldn't resist, but at least the part about > >the rubber gloves keeping you warmer is for real!) > > And if you ever do go down (God forbid) just think what the emergency workers will think! > > Chris Norloff That's what Mom used to say about wearing underwear with too many holes. EMS would think we were on welfare or something. My response was, "If I'm going to the hospital in a meat wagon ventilated skivvies are the least of my worries." Paul in DC 95 VFR750F From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 16 19:37:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0H0b8j15540 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 19:37:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-9.patriot.net [209.249.181.9]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0H0axo24327; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 19:36:59 -0500 Message-ID: <3C461C46.A23D5BED@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 19:35:18 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Wilson CC: cnorloff@XXXXXX, dc-cycles list Subject: Re: Heated gear strategy... References: <200201160942.AA8192546@mail.toward.com> <037101c19ee0$d4caadc0$bb82fea9@palladio1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Paul Wilson wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris Norloff" > > > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > > From: "Lantech (DCOP)" > > >(Plus, with three layers of lingerie and some nice rubber gloves... now, > > >that's a good ride!)(sorry, I couldn't resist, but at least the part > about > > >the rubber gloves keeping you warmer is for real!) > > > > And if you ever do go down (God forbid) just think what the emergency > workers will think! > > > > Chris Norloff > > That's what Mom used to say about wearing underwear with too many holes. > EMS would think we were on welfare or something. My response was, "If I'm > going to the hospital in a meat wagon ventilated skivvies are the least of > my worries." > > Paul in DC > 95 VFR750F Heh. The first thing my wife sez after it has been determined I'm gonna live is, "My god, I hope you were wearing undies..." Bill From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 16 22:17:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m02.mx.aol.com (imo-m02.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.5]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0H3HMj17997 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 22:17:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from MOTO748@XXXXXX by imo-m02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.25.) id 2.f8.153c73cf (18710) for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 22:16:56 -0500 (EST) From: MOTO748@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 22:16:56 EST Subject: Hello again To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_f8.153c73cf.29779c28_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10551 --part1_f8.153c73cf.29779c28_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Howdy folks, I just returned to the area after 18 months in TX, the motorcycling armpit of the U.S. It is good to be back where people enjoy riding on roads that aren't flat and strait. I haven't been in the area I haven't been keeping tabs on the list. Are any of the original DC Cycles Race team members still around? Is anyone on the list racing this coming season? I'm heading down to MotoEuropa in Richmond on Friday to pickup a 748R which I will be racing in both WERA and CCS this season. It is good to be back and look forward to seeing some of the friends I left here in 2000 and meeting new riding partners for the race and riding season. Thanks, Jeff Jeff Ozmen --part1_f8.153c73cf.29779c28_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
 Howdy folks,

  I just returned to the area after 18 months in TX, the motorcycling armpit of the U.S.  It is good to be back where people enjoy riding on roads that aren't flat
and strait.  I haven't been in the area I haven't been keeping tabs on the list.

   Are any of the original DC Cycles Race team members still around?  Is anyone on the list racing this coming season?  I'm heading down to MotoEuropa in Richmond  on Friday to pickup a 748R which I will be racing in both WERA and CCS this season.

   It is good to be back and look forward to seeing some of the friends I left here in
2000 and meeting new riding partners for the race and riding season.

 Thanks,   Jeff

Jeff Ozmen --part1_f8.153c73cf.29779c28_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 17 07:59:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from lycanthrope.crosslink.net (root@XXXXXX [206.246.124.36]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0HCxuj26915 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 07:59:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from lhs149teacher ([209.147.77.224]) by lycanthrope.crosslink.net (8.9.3/) with SMTP id HAA15775; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 07:59:43 -0500 X-Really-To: Message-ID: <001401c19f57$09750680$0c07a8c0@lhs149teacher> Reply-To: "Danny Thompson" From: "Danny Thompson" To: , , "D.C. Cycles" , Subject: ZEP45 lubricant Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 08:01:09 -0500 Organization: LHS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Anyone have any knowledge of this stuff? Is is good for chains? Will it damage the O-rings or get past them to eat the grease? Any information would be appreciated. Thanks, Danny '02 XR 250R '00 SV (racebike) '98 Superhawk '01 Shadow ACE Tourer www.onewayracing.org ...................................... From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 17 09:14:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web11102.mail.yahoo.com (web11102.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.149]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g0HEEGj28208 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 09:14:16 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020117141401.58664.qmail@web11102.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.117.237.234] by web11102.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 06:14:01 PST Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 06:14:01 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: Hello again To: MOTO748@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Jeff, Great to have you back! You always did have the nicest bike of all the dc-cycles racers. ;^) We now have a website for the list at www.dccycles.com that I put together with a lot of help from Laura Granato and a lot of content from list members. Brian McCoy is down in Atlanta. Brain Roach is in Delaware but is occasionally on the list. Others have come and gone since you left. You can find out more on dc-cycles racers by going to the website and clicking on the "Racing" tab and then on "Racers" at the top of the page. The page is pretty out of date and not complete (my fault), but might give you some idea of who's been racing recently. Welcome back! Chris Weaver --- MOTO748@XXXXXX wrote: > > Howdy folks, > > I just returned to the area after 18 months in > TX, the motorcycling armpit > of the U.S. It is good to be back where people > enjoy riding on roads that > aren't flat > and strait. I haven't been in the area I haven't > been keeping tabs on the > list. > > Are any of the original DC Cycles Race team > members still around? Is > anyone on the list racing this coming season? I'm > heading down to MotoEuropa > in Richmond on Friday to pickup a 748R which I will > be racing in both WERA > and CCS this season. > > It is good to be back and look forward to seeing > some of the friends I > left here in > 2000 and meeting new riding partners for the race > and riding season. > > Thanks, Jeff > > Jeff Ozmen > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 17 10:00:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from relay3.softcomca.com ([168.144.1.70]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0HF0Rj29099 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 10:00:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from m2w063 ([168.144.108.63]) by relay3.softcomca.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.2966); Thu, 17 Jan 2002 10:00:28 -0500 X-Originating-IP: 206.20.132.104 X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ Subject: RE: ZEP45 lubricant Sender: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 10:00:26 -0500 To: "danthompson@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: JMail 3.7.0 by Dimac (www.dimac.net) Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Jan 2002 15:00:29.0288 (UTC) FILETIME=[B3F79680:01C19F67] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-Printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g0HF0Wj29100 As Donald Sutherland's character said in "The Dirty Dozen": "Never heard of it." Original Message: ----------------- From: Danny Thompson danthompson@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 08:01:09 -0500 To: superhawk@XXXXXX, sv650@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, dcoffroad@XXXXXX Subject: ZEP45 lubricant Anyone have any knowledge of this stuff? Is is good for chains? Will it damage the O-rings or get past them to eat the grease? Any information would be appreciated. Thanks, Danny '02 XR 250R '00 SV (racebike) '98 Superhawk '01 Shadow ACE Tourer www.onewayracing.org ..................................... -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 17 10:02:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from relay3.softcomca.com ([168.144.1.70]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0HF2Bj29129 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 10:02:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from M2W058 ([168.144.108.58]) by relay3.softcomca.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.2966); Thu, 17 Jan 2002 10:02:12 -0500 X-Originating-IP: 206.20.132.104 X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ Subject: RE: Hello again Sender: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 10:02:09 -0500 To: "moto748@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: JMail 3.7.0 by Dimac (www.dimac.net) Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Jan 2002 15:02:12.0817 (UTC) FILETIME=[F1ACDC10:01C19F67] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-Printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g0HF2Cj29130 Jeff, Welcome back ... to the DC area and the list. Hope to hook up with you for a ride or two this year. And for sure to see you at Bike Night(s). Cheers, Chuck "Deerhunter" GSXR750 RIP "Rat" FZR600 track bike w/lights Original Message: ----------------- From: MOTO748@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 22:16:56 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Hello again Howdy folks, I just returned to the area after 18 months in TX, the motorcycling armpit of the U.S. It is good to be back where people enjoy riding on roads that aren't flat and strait. I haven't been in the area I haven't been keeping tabs on the list. Are any of the original DC Cycles Race team members still around? Is anyone on the list racing this coming season? I'm heading down to MotoEuropa in Richmond on Friday to pickup a 748R which I will be racing in both WERA and CCS this season. It is good to be back and look forward to seeing some of the friends I left here in 2000 and meeting new riding partners for the race and riding season. Thanks, Jeff Jeff Ozmen -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 17 10:12:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web20106.mail.yahoo.com (web20106.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.43]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g0HFC4j29333 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 10:12:04 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020117151202.54282.qmail@web20106.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.205.6.30] by web20106.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 07:12:02 PST Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 07:12:02 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: Tourmaster 1-piece suits To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'm toying with the idea of getting one but can't seem to find any locally. Anyone have the 1-piece or a full 2-piece I can take a gander at and try on? I wear a 40/42 jacket and 34 pants. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 17 10:28:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0HFSFj29605 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 10:28:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from firewall.dcc-racing.org (cable.dcc-racing.org [68.34.52.32]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id g0HFSEw04285 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 10:28:14 -0500 From: Brian Roach Reply-To: roach@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: AMA Elections final.... Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 10:28:13 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0201171028130D.07986@firewall.dcc-racing.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Dunno how many of you follow the goings on with the AMA or Pro Racing, but the good guys just won a battle... hursday, January 17, 2002 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Contact: Tom Lindsay Phone: (614) 856-1900 x1357 E-mail: tlindsay@XXXXXX AMA ANNOUNCES ELECTION RESULTS PICKERINGTON, Ohio -- The American Motorcyclist Association (AMA) has announced the results of its recent election for the AMA Board of Directors. Jeff Nash has been elected to represent the South Central region. Kevin Schwantz has been elected to represent the Southeast region. John Ulrich has been elected to represent the Southwest region. The AMA Board of Directors consists of twelve members. Six individual Directors are elected by the general membership in their respective regions and serve three-year terms. Six corporate Directors are elected by the corporate membership and serve two-year terms. The AMA Board of Directors meets four times a year. The three new individual Directors will be seated at the Saturday, February 16, session of the scheduled Board meeting, which will follow the election of corporate Directors at the annual Corporate Member meeting in Indianapolis, Indiana. Votes cast in this election were independently tabulated and the results certified by the accounting firm of Ernst & Young, which also verified the ballots' eligibility. From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 17 10:40:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from pmesmtp02.wcom.com (pmesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.20.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0HFeUj29830 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 10:40:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42257) id <0GQ300L01A7A7A@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 15:40:22 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp03.wcomnet.com ([166.38.62.38]) by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42257) with ESMTP id <0GQ300IRFA790Y@XXXXXX>; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 15:40:21 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp03.wcomnet.com by pmismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with SMTP id <0GQ300K01A74JT@XXXXXX>; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 15:40:21 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.49]) by pmismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with ESMTP id <0GQ300K15A6UA3@XXXXXX>; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 15:40:06 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 10:40:04 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: AMA Elections final.... To: roach@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3C46F054.24F34286@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <0201171028130D.07986@firewall.dcc-racing.org> Brian Roach wrote: > > Dunno how many of you follow the goings on with the AMA or Pro Racing, but > the good guys just won a battle... Good luck with the Revolution. I may become a member yet... :) Horkster -- MSL! SMG! (Chatty Moron TM's) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth AWSHIDT #322 - Completed. 99 Highway Signs! '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 17 10:43:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from lycanthrope.crosslink.net (root@XXXXXX [206.246.124.36]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0HFhBj29920 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 10:43:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from lhs149teacher ([209.147.77.224]) by lycanthrope.crosslink.net (8.9.3/) with SMTP id KAA21676; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 10:43:07 -0500 X-Really-To: Message-ID: <00f701c19f6d$dd493a60$0c07a8c0@lhs149teacher> From: "Danny Thompson" To: , , , "D.C. Cycles" References: <0201171028130D.07986@firewall.dcc-racing.org> Subject: Re: AMA Elections final.... Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 10:44:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Alright!!! A good first step. Danny '02 XR 250R '00 SV (racebike) '98 Superhawk '01 Shadow ACE Tourer www.onewayracing.org ...................................... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Roach" To: Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 10:28 AM Subject: AMA Elections final.... > > Dunno how many of you follow the goings on with the AMA or Pro Racing, but > the good guys just won a battle... > > hursday, January 17, 2002 > FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE > Contact: Tom Lindsay > Phone: (614) 856-1900 x1357 > E-mail: tlindsay@XXXXXX > > AMA ANNOUNCES ELECTION RESULTS > > PICKERINGTON, Ohio -- The American Motorcyclist Association (AMA) has > announced > the results of its recent election for the AMA Board of Directors. > > Jeff Nash has been elected to represent the South Central region. > > Kevin Schwantz has been elected to represent the Southeast region. > > John Ulrich has been elected to represent the Southwest region. > > The AMA Board of Directors consists of twelve members. Six individual > Directors > are elected by the general membership in their respective regions and serve > three-year terms. Six corporate Directors are elected by the corporate > membership and serve two-year terms. The AMA Board of Directors meets four > times > a year. > > The three new individual Directors will be seated at the Saturday, February > 16, > session of the scheduled Board meeting, which will follow the election of > corporate Directors at the annual Corporate Member meeting in Indianapolis, > Indiana. > > Votes cast in this election were independently tabulated and the results > certified by the accounting firm of Ernst & Young, which also verified the > ballots' eligibility. From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 17 10:55:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from cmr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net (cmr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net [198.5.241.38]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0HFtFj00262 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 10:55:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from imr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net by cmr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: imr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net [153.39.43.46]) id QQlyff15062 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 15:55:14 GMT Received: from ippool136-178.corp.us.uu.net by imr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: ippool136-178.corp.us.uu.net [153.39.136.178]) id QQlyff18242 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 15:54:00 GMT Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 10:54:18 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v480) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-763404049 Subject: AMA Board Election results From: Sean Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-Id: <7723D27F-0B62-11D6-A40A-003065B452D2@uu.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.480) --Apple-Mail-1-763404049 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Thursday, January 17, 2002 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Contact: Tom Lindsay Phone: (614) 856-1900 x1357 E-mail: tlindsay@XXXXXX AMA ANNOUNCES ELECTION RESULTS PICKERINGTON, Ohio -- The American Motorcyclist Association (AMA) has announced the results of its recent election for the AMA Board of Directors. Jeff Nash has been elected to represent the South Central region. Kevin Schwantz has been elected to represent the Southeast region. John Ulrich has been elected to represent the Southwest region. The AMA Board of Directors consists of twelve members. Six individual Directors are elected by the general membership in their respective regions and serve three-year terms. Six corporate Directors are elected by the corporate membership and serve two-year terms. The AMA Board of Directors meets four times a year. The three new individual Directors will be seated at the Saturday, February 16, session of the scheduled Board meeting, which will follow the election of corporate Directors at the annual Corporate Member meeting in Indianapolis, Indiana. Votes cast in this election were independently tabulated and the results certified by the accounting firm of Ernst & Young, which also verified the ballots' eligibility. -30- The American Motorcyclist Association, founded in 1924, is a 270,000-member non-profit organization. The Association's purpose is to pursue, protect and promote the interests of motorcyclists, while serving the needs of its members. For more information, visit the AMA website at www.AMADirectlink.com, or call 1-800-AMA-JOIN. --Apple-Mail-1-763404049 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII VerdanaThursday, January 17, 2002 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Contact: Tom Lindsay Phone: (614) 856-1900 x1357 E-mail: tlindsay@XXXXXX AMA ANNOUNCES ELECTION RESULTS PICKERINGTON, Ohio -- The American Motorcyclist Association (AMA) has announced the results of its recent election for the AMA Board of Directors. Jeff Nash has been elected to represent the South Central region. Kevin Schwantz has been elected to represent the Southeast region. John Ulrich has been elected to represent the Southwest region. The AMA Board of Directors consists of twelve members. Six individual Directors are elected by the general membership in their respective regions and serve three-year terms. Six corporate Directors are elected by the corporate membership and serve two-year terms. The AMA Board of Directors meets four times a year. The three new individual Directors will be seated at the Saturday, February 16, session of the scheduled Board meeting, which will follow the election of corporate Directors at the annual Corporate Member meeting in Indianapolis, Indiana. Votes cast in this election were independently tabulated and the results certified by the accounting firm of Ernst & Young, which also verified the ballots' eligibility. -30- The American Motorcyclist Association, founded in 1924, is a 270,000-member non-profit organization. The Association's purpose is to pursue, protect and promote the interests of motorcyclists, while serving the needs of its members. For more information, visit the AMA website at 0000,0000,8080www.AMADirectlink.com, or call 1-800-AMA-JOIN. --Apple-Mail-1-763404049-- From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 17 10:57:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from cmr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net (cmr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net [198.5.241.40]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0HFvYj00344 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 10:57:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from imr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net by cmr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: imr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net [153.39.43.11]) id QQlyff07029 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 15:57:33 GMT Received: from ippool136-178.corp.us.uu.net by imr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: ippool136-178.corp.us.uu.net [153.39.136.178]) id QQlyff23128 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 15:56:36 GMT Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 10:56:54 -0500 Subject: Re: AMA Elections final.... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v480) From: Sean Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <0201171028130D.07986@firewall.dcc-racing.org> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.480) On Thursday, January 17, 2002, at 10:28 , Brian Roach wrote: > > Dunno how many of you follow the goings on with the AMA or Pro Racing, > but > the good guys just won a battle... Doh! My post is a repeat! Sorry! Sean Jordan Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 17 12:01:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web10508.mail.yahoo.com (web10508.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.158]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g0HH0xj01503 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 12:00:59 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020117170058.99416.qmail@web10508.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [67.208.183.96] by web10508.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 09:00:58 PST Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 09:00:58 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: OT: reckless ticketing To: Rob Winters , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020115123244.03cdedb0@mail.hq.nasa.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Fines based on income? Kinda makes sense when you think about it. Income tax, child support, alimony, etc. are income based. A $100 fine for speeding will not affect Bill Gates the same way it affects a single mother of 3 working at McDonalds. Todd --- Rob Winters wrote: > From the "it could be worse" department comes this > story. > > "Racing" at 47mph in a 31? > > /// Rob > > >Monday January 14 10:30 AM ET > > > >A $100,000 Speeding Fine?? > > > >HELSINKI (Reuters) - A senior executive of the > world's largest mobile > >phone maker Nokia is appealing a record $103,600 > fine for speeding because > >his income has dropped, Finnish media and > officials said Monday. > > > >Millionaire and Harley Davidson enthusiast Anssi > Vanjoki was caught racing > >his motorbike down a Helsinki street in October at > 47 mph in a 31 mph > >zone, the newspaper Ilta-Sanomat reported. > > > >Unlike in many other countries, Finnish traffic > fines vary according to > >the offender's average income. > > > >The fine was based on Vanjoki's 1999 income which > was boosted by big > >options sales. But Vanjoki's income dropped > drastically last year as > >Nokia's share price fell alongside other tech > shares, making option sales > >uneconomical. > > > >Vanjoki's fine is believed to be the largest ever > traffic penalty in > >Finland, beating a fine of more than $71,000 > handed down to Internet > >millionaire Jaakko Rytsola and one of $31,200 > given to Vanjoki's > >colleague, Nokia president Pekka Ala-Pietila. > > > >A Helsinki district court official confirmed to > Reuters that Vanjoki's > >appeal would be heard on May 15. > > > ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 17 12:08:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0HH8mj01581 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 12:08:48 -0500 (EST) X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSValHqHZmW+83y/hyA6GoC5/Wj3JVRtSauEm1TSRkchJ9QVfZWafrJ9p4mqbJwNi6Us= Received: from [204.245.128.170] (helo=jstrang) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with asmtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16RG1r-0007fD-00; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 12:08:43 -0500 Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: "Todd Withrow" , "Rob Winters" , Subject: RE: OT: reckless ticketing Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 12:07:39 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20020117170058.99416.qmail@web10508.mail.yahoo.com> Then why even have different incomes? Everybody should get the same paycheck, no matter how hard they work. It'd be more fair. --jon 01 Suz Bandit 1200 > -----Original Message----- > From: Todd Withrow [mailto:mtwithrow@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 12:01 PM > To: Rob Winters; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: OT: reckless ticketing > > > Fines based on income? Kinda makes sense when you > think about it. Income tax, child support, alimony, > etc. are income based. A $100 fine for speeding will > not affect Bill Gates the same way it affects a single > mother of 3 working at McDonalds. > > Todd > > > --- Rob Winters wrote: > > From the "it could be worse" department comes this > > story. > > > > "Racing" at 47mph in a 31? > > > > /// Rob > > > > >Monday January 14 10:30 AM ET > > > > > >A $100,000 Speeding Fine?? > > > > > >HELSINKI (Reuters) - A senior executive of the > > world's largest mobile > > >phone maker Nokia is appealing a record $103,600 > > fine for speeding because > > >his income has dropped, Finnish media and > > officials said Monday. > > > > > >Millionaire and Harley Davidson enthusiast Anssi > > Vanjoki was caught racing > > >his motorbike down a Helsinki street in October at > > 47 mph in a 31 mph > > >zone, the newspaper Ilta-Sanomat reported. > > > > > >Unlike in many other countries, Finnish traffic > > fines vary according to > > >the offender's average income. > > > > > >The fine was based on Vanjoki's 1999 income which > > was boosted by big > > >options sales. But Vanjoki's income dropped > > drastically last year as > > >Nokia's share price fell alongside other tech > > shares, making option sales > > >uneconomical. > > > > > >Vanjoki's fine is believed to be the largest ever > > traffic penalty in > > >Finland, beating a fine of more than $71,000 > > handed down to Internet > > >millionaire Jaakko Rytsola and one of $31,200 > > given to Vanjoki's > > >colleague, Nokia president Pekka Ala-Pietila. > > > > > >A Helsinki district court official confirmed to > > Reuters that Vanjoki's > > >appeal would be heard on May 15. > > > > > > > > ===== > AIM: Inf DS > > http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow > > ----------------------------------------------------------- > Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants > to childproof the world. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! > http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 17 12:16:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web10508.mail.yahoo.com (web10508.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.158]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g0HHGfj01735 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 12:16:41 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020117171640.2323.qmail@web10508.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [67.208.183.96] by web10508.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 09:16:40 PST Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 09:16:40 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Withrow Subject: 95+55=5 To: DC Bike List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii 95mph in a 55mph zone gets you 5 days in jail. Just thought I would remind some folks that the Judges in Fairfax are getting harsh on speeding and other traffic offenses. I have seen several drivers go to jail recently for speeding. If you have never seen the inside of the Fairfax County Adult Detention Center, you should swing by for a tour. See it on your terms, not theirs. Might be a good incentive to keep the speed down. Another thing, I was chatting with my Dad. He quoted a State Trooper who was attending the MSF course as saying that they will overlook indiscretions by cruisers, but if you are riding a sportbike, they will slam you for any squidly behaviour. Todd ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 17 12:28:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0HHSWj01907 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 12:28:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-49-33.s287.tnt5.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.49.33] helo=palladio1) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16RGL1-0001vv-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 12:28:31 -0500 Message-ID: <010f01c19f7d$10c10c60$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: References: <20020117170058.99416.qmail@web10508.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: OT: reckless ticketing Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 12:31:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 We show institute community service or jail time in lieu of fines if we really want to make it truly proportionate and "fair." Missing a day or two of work is going to cost me a lot more than someone who's unemployed or making minimum wage. Paul in DC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Todd Withrow" > Fines based on income? Kinda makes sense when you > think about it. Income tax, child support, alimony, > etc. are income based. A $100 fine for speeding will > not affect Bill Gates the same way it affects a single > mother of 3 working at McDonalds. > > Todd From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 17 12:41:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0HHfDj02121 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 12:41:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-43-242.s496.tnt2.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.43.242] helo=palladio1) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16RGXI-0004rQ-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 12:41:13 -0500 Message-ID: <013f01c19f7e$d681a1c0$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc-cycles list" References: <20020117171640.2323.qmail@web10508.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: 95+55=5 Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 12:45:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Todd Withrow" > 95mph in a 55mph zone gets you 5 days in jail. > .. > Another thing, I was chatting with my Dad. He quoted a > State Trooper who was attending the MSF course as > saying that they will overlook indiscretions by > cruisers, but if you are riding a sportbike, they will > slam you for any squidly behaviour. > > Todd > Aside from a few "indiscretions" that cruisers are incapable of executing, like wheelies, what difference should it make? Speeding, riding two abreast, rider impairment (there's a biggie) and generally riding like a nitwit is not exactly the sole province of local squidly sportbike rider based on my experience. Paul in DC From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 17 13:04:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from spaw1.hq.af.mil (spaw1.hq.af.mil [134.205.190.73]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0HI4Nj02515 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 13:04:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from atlantech.net (wlafpca-oax108.comm.hq.af.mil [134.205.80.60]) by spaw1.hq.af.mil (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA42074 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 13:03:13 -0500 Message-ID: <3C47120E.18A55809@atlantech.net> Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 13:03:58 -0500 From: Jim Shoemaker X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: OT: reckless ticketing References: <20020117170058.99416.qmail@web10508.mail.yahoo.com> <010f01c19f7d$10c10c60$bb82fea9@palladio1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That's what I think, as well. There are plenty of people around this area for whom fines are not a deterrent. They'll more than make up that amount in time saved (which can then be billed) getting to work. To them time is a much more valuable commodity. 16, 24, or 40 hours of community service would be devastating. I wouldn't expect to see a increase in people doing time vs. fines though. The local gov'ts would much rather have your money than your time. --Jim Paul Wilson wrote: > We show institute community service or jail time in lieu of fines if we > really want to make it truly proportionate and "fair." Missing a day or two > of work is going to cost me a lot more than someone who's unemployed or > making minimum wage. > > Paul in DC From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 17 13:45:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.gdn.org (server.gdn.org [207.188.200.126]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0HIjWj03286 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 13:45:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from [10.0.1.3] (vera.steele.com [207.188.200.90]) by server.gdn.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g0HIpvJ12963 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 13:51:57 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jsteele@XXXXXX (Unverified) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 13:45:29 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Jeff Steele Subject: MC parking at 3rd and C, SW Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" I had to go down to 3rd and C Streets, SW today, so I checked out the list of motorcycle parking spaces on www.dccycles.com. I found the following: "On the SW side of the Humphrey building (200 Independence?) the Humphrey building (Independence Ave, SW) has free MC parking on the sidewalk/patio and is sort of covered (there's a roof way up high). It's on the SW side of the building (KR)" This was great info and I found the spaces with no problem. They were directly across the street from where I was headed! However, a sign there said parking was by permit only and that violators would be ticketed and towed. I parked there anyway and got away with it. However, does anyone know how you go about getting a permit? Also, how diligent is the enforcement of this? Finally, what is the accepted way to get your bike up on the patio? I just rode up, but with all the people around that seemed a little out of place. Thanks, Jeff -- From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 17 14:09:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from laundry.annapurna.com (rob-0.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.145.59]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0HJ9Rj03677 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 14:09:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from odinseat.annapurna.com (dhcp-3.it.hq.nasa.gov [131.182.119.243]) by laundry.annapurna.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g0HJ5tk24366; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 14:05:55 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from rob@XXXXXX) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020117135844.03d44a48@mail.annapurna.com> X-Sender: rob@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 14:06:03 -0500 To: Jeff Steele From: Rob Winters Subject: Re: MC parking at 3rd and C, SW Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 01:45 PM 1/17/2002, Jeff Steele wrote: >This was great info and I found the spaces with no problem. They were >directly across the street from where I was headed! However, a sign there >said parking was by permit only and that violators would be ticketed and >towed. I parked there anyway and got away with it. However, does anyone >know how you go about getting a permit? Also, how diligent is the >enforcement of this? Finally, what is the accepted way to get your bike >up on the patio? I just rode up, but with all the people around that >seemed a little out of place. I wouldn't attempt to park there without a permit, especially post-9/11. I spoke to someone at his bike once, and he seemed to think that the HHS parking office would likely issue a permit to anyone with a government badge. If you manage to do this successfully, I'd be interested to hear about it, and get some specific contact info. I was going to try this spring sometime. If you're not going to, there are 10 metered spaces a little bit further down 3rd, on the left just before you go under the rail underpass. Virginia Ave @ 3rd Street. 25 cents an hour (except for the quarters the meter eats giving you no time, but I'm not bitter), and you can only get 4 hours at a time (but I'm still not bitter). /// Rob From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 17 14:13:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from rhino.spottedcat.com (IDENT:root@[63.91.14.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0HJDVj03763 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 14:13:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (hcaldwell@localhost) by rhino.spottedcat.com (8.11.6/8.8.7) with ESMTP id g0HJ7mw02278; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 14:07:49 -0500 Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 14:07:48 -0500 (EST) From: hcaldwell X-Sender: hcaldwell@XXXXXX To: Todd Withrow cc: DC Bike List Subject: Re: 95+55=5 In-Reply-To: <20020117171640.2323.qmail@web10508.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 17 Jan 2002, Todd Withrow wrote: > Another thing, I was chatting with my Dad. He quoted a > State Trooper who was attending the MSF course as > saying that they will overlook indiscretions by > cruisers, but if you are riding a sportbike, they will > slam you for any squidly behaviour. > Fucking cops! From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 17 14:20:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from rhino.spottedcat.com (IDENT:root@[63.91.14.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0HJKhj03920 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 14:20:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (hcaldwell@localhost) by rhino.spottedcat.com (8.11.6/8.8.7) with ESMTP id g0HJF3G02307 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 14:15:03 -0500 Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 14:15:03 -0500 (EST) From: hcaldwell X-Sender: hcaldwell@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: 95+55=5 In-Reply-To: <20020117171640.2323.qmail@web10508.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 17 Jan 2002, Todd Withrow wrote: > Another thing, I was chatting with my Dad. He quoted a > State Trooper who was attending the MSF course as > saying that they will overlook indiscretions by > cruisers, but if you are riding a sportbike, they will > slam you for any squidly behaviour. > Does this even apply to Caucasian sportbike riders? Hugh From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 17 14:25:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web11002.mail.yahoo.com (web11002.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.52]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g0HJPaj03943 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 14:25:36 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020117192535.63519.qmail@web11002.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [158.72.97.227] by web11002.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 11:25:35 PST Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 11:25:35 -0800 (PST) From: Trey Herb Subject: Re: 95+55=5 To: hcaldwell , Todd Withrow Cc: DC Bike List In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >but if you are riding a sportbike, they > will > > slam you for any squidly behaviour. Most cops don't know what a sport bike is. You could be riding an SV650 squirlly and they would stop you (I don't consider it a sport bike. Maybe a modern standard.) Point is anything that is not cruiser like is subject to being singled out. Although in all my riding experience (10 years give or take) I have never been pulled over by the police. Even in my squidly days. And I have never owned a cruiser (unless you count the tricked out BSA)Remember it's ok to be crazy just not stupid. (and if you are stupid be sure to have smart lawyers!). __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 17 14:32:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from nceaexchange.ncea.org (smtp.ncea.org [64.242.194.132]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0HJWaj04107 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 14:32:37 -0500 (EST) Received: by NCEAEXCHANGE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 14:32:37 -0500 Message-ID: <79B36BCD74CDD411AE4000508B55FC5F45E3B8@NCEAEXCHANGE> From: bernescut@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: State Farm Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 14:32:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I just got my settlement for my stolen CBR so I'm back in the market for a bike. Just in case anyone here has a clean, stock F3 or F4, I have money burning a hole in my pocket. :) Cedric 1996 CBR600F3 (R.I.P.) Annandale, VA " I couldn't repair your brakes, so I made your horn louder." From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 17 14:48:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail.toward.com ([204.194.180.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0HJmAj04407 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 14:48:10 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 14:47:18 -0500 Message-Id: <200201171447.AA43909774@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: "List-dc cycles" Subject: Re: State Farm X-Mailer: Ha ha ha! What a great SIG line. Sort of like that famous bumpersticker "Horn broken. Watch for Finger" Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: bernescut@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 14:32:34 -0500 >I just got my settlement for my stolen CBR so I'm back in the market for a >bike. Just in case anyone here has a clean, stock F3 or F4, I have money >burning a hole in my pocket. :) >Cedric >1996 CBR600F3 (R.I.P.) >Annandale, VA > >" I couldn't repair your brakes, so I made your horn louder." > > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 17 14:54:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0HJsVj04504 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 14:54:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-51-133.s387.tnt6.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.51.133] helo=palladio1) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16RIcH-0000pn-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 14:54:30 -0500 Message-ID: <00b201c19f91$71837740$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020117135844.03d44a48@mail.annapurna.com> Subject: Re: MC parking at 3rd and C, SW Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 14:54:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Winters" To: "Jeff Steele" Cc: Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 2:06 PM Subject: Re: MC parking at 3rd and C, SW > At 01:45 PM 1/17/2002, Jeff Steele wrote: > >This was great info and I found the spaces with no problem. They were > >directly across the street from where I was headed! However, a sign there > >said parking was by permit only and that violators would be ticketed and > >towed. I parked there anyway and got away with it. However, does anyone > >know how you go about getting a permit? Also, how diligent is the > >enforcement of this? Finally, what is the accepted way to get your bike > >up on the patio? I just rode up, but with all the people around that > >seemed a little out of place. > > I wouldn't attempt to park there without a permit, especially post-9/11. I > spoke to someone at his bike once, and he seemed to think that the HHS > parking office would likely issue a permit to anyone with a government badge. There's nothing like a little national emergency to use it as an excuse to block off some streets and score more free on-street parking spaces for your agency. A couple of them tried this in SW only to find out they didn't have the authority and the barricades had to come down. Paul in DC From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 17 15:27:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from laundry.annapurna.com (rob-0.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.145.59]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0HKRwj05126 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 15:27:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from odinseat.annapurna.com (dhcp-3.it.hq.nasa.gov [131.182.119.243]) by laundry.annapurna.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g0HKOPk24501; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 15:24:26 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from rob@XXXXXX) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020117152013.0422c9c0@mail.annapurna.com> X-Sender: rob@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 15:24:30 -0500 To: "Paul Wilson" From: Rob Winters Subject: Re: MC parking at 3rd and C, SW Cc: In-Reply-To: <00b201c19f91$71837740$bb82fea9@palladio1> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020117135844.03d44a48@mail.annapurna.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 02:54 PM 1/17/2002, Paul Wilson wrote: >There's nothing like a little national emergency to use it as an excuse to >block off some streets and score more free on-street parking spaces for your >agency. These are not on-street. They are tucked up under the building, in fact, partially shielded from the weather, 50 to 100 feet from the street. If I were responsible for the security of the building, this space would definitely be in my protection zone. Not that agencies don't take advantage at times; this just isn't one of them. /// Rob From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 17 16:29:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net (avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.50]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0HLTsj06114 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 16:29:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from washdc3-ar2-4-3-185-205.elnk.dsl.gtei.net ([4.3.185.205] helo=llarson.xhost.org) by avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16RK68-0007VR-00; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 13:29:25 -0800 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020117162941.00afcf08@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 16:30:17 -0500 To: hcaldwell , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: 95+55=5 In-Reply-To: References: <20020117171640.2323.qmail@web10508.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 02:15 PM 1/17/2002, hcaldwell wrote: >On Thu, 17 Jan 2002, Todd Withrow wrote: > > > Another thing, I was chatting with my Dad. He quoted a > > State Trooper who was attending the MSF course as > > saying that they will overlook indiscretions by > > cruisers, but if you are riding a sportbike, they will > > slam you for any squidly behaviour. > > > Does this even apply to Caucasian sportbike riders? Only if it's a black trooper. -- Larry From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 17 16:31:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net (avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.50]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0HLVRj06182 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 16:31:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from washdc3-ar2-4-3-185-205.elnk.dsl.gtei.net ([4.3.185.205] helo=llarson.xhost.org) by avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16RK81-0002R8-00; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 13:31:21 -0800 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020117163038.00b1ce18@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 16:32:14 -0500 To: hcaldwell , Todd Withrow From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: 95+55=5 Cc: DC Bike List In-Reply-To: References: <20020117171640.2323.qmail@web10508.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 02:07 PM 1/17/2002, hcaldwell wrote: >On Thu, 17 Jan 2002, Todd Withrow wrote: > > > Another thing, I was chatting with my Dad. He quoted a > > State Trooper who was attending the MSF course as > > saying that they will overlook indiscretions by > > cruisers, but if you are riding a sportbike, they will > > slam you for any squidly behaviour. > > > Fucking cops! That would be the generic description in PG County, which, in my experience, has far more squidly riders than any other area, especially on the Beltway. -- Larry From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 17 16:33:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net (avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.50]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0HLXkj06202 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 16:33:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from washdc3-ar2-4-3-185-205.elnk.dsl.gtei.net ([4.3.185.205] helo=llarson.xhost.org) by avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16RKAK-0005iw-00; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 13:33:44 -0800 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020117163311.00b1ce18@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 16:34:37 -0500 To: bernescut@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: State Farm In-Reply-To: <79B36BCD74CDD411AE4000508B55FC5F45E3B8@NCEAEXCHANGE> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 02:32 PM 1/17/2002, bernescut@XXXXXX wrote: >I just got my settlement for my stolen CBR so I'm back in the market for a >bike. Just in case anyone here has a clean, stock F3 or F4, I have money >burning a hole in my pocket. :) There's a nice looking, very low mileage 98 F3 with a cool custom paint job for sale over at Clinton Cycles... I was tempted myself. -- Larry From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 17 18:04:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from asdkjwejasjw.akjaskwaeka.com (IDENT:9105@XXXXXX [216.205.90.102] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g0HN46j07668 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 18:04:06 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 18:04:06 -0500 (EST) From: casino@XXXXXX Message-Id: <200201172304.g0HN46j07668@dirty.meretrix.com> Received: (qmail 28847 invoked by uid 0); 17 Jan 2002 23:05:00 -0000 Content-type: text/html Subject: Welcome to the world's best online casino! From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 17 18:23:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0HNNFj08015 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 18:23:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from firewall.dcc-racing.org (cable.dcc-racing.org [68.34.52.32]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id g0HNN9w06478; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 18:23:11 -0500 From: laura granato To: "dc cycles" Subject: Great new school! Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 18:23:08 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Cc: "Mike Himmelsbach" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02011718230807.09566@firewall.dcc-racing.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I just thought this might be of interest to everyone. Last year I took a fantastic school...one that hands down is the best time I've ever had on my bike. It was taught by Mike Himmelsbach and Chris Pyles, two names that are very familiar to a lot of you! Since we just had a discussion about schools, I thought I'd tell you about this one because I just found out that they have now structured a school for first time or very new track riders and it's only $225. I can tell you that the class I took last year cost $500 and it was worth every penny and more. I would highly and whole heartedly recommend this new class to any one of you and know that you will have a great time, and learn a TON. The school is run in conjunction with Team pro-motion track days, and it's done really well. If anyone has any more questions, please feel free to talk to me. I've taken Keith Code, I've taken this class and a few others, and this, by far, was the best. Schedule will be posted sometime next week at teampromotion.com. Laura From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 17 18:54:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0HNsuj08528 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 18:54:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-55-107.s361.tnt1.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.55.107] helo=camaro) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16RMMw-0003Fi-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 18:54:55 -0500 From: "Adam Brookman" To: "dc cycles" Subject: In case anyone was intrested Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 18:39:02 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <02011718230807.09566@firewall.dcc-racing.org> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 I have a friend selling a yellow 1998 748S with 4,000 miles on the clock. Full akro exhaust. Very nice bike. He put the exhaust on thinking he was going to race it but never did. Still in street trim. Never dropped. A really clean machine. If I hadnt just picked up my gixxer it would be sitting in my garage right now. If your intrested contact me off list and Ill give you his info. Adam. 2k1 Gsxr 1k From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 17 18:58:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f41.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.15.41]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0HNwgj08615 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 18:58:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 15:47:27 -0800 Received: from 67.160.110.215 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 23:47:26 GMT X-Originating-IP: [67.160.110.215] From: "Rob Keiser" To: pattonme@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Tourmaster 1-piece suits Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 18:47:26 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Jan 2002 23:47:27.0330 (UTC) FILETIME=[51C9EC20:01C19FB1] I've got a 2 pc. Roadcrafter Suit that you can look at/try on. It's a 42 Long Jacket and 38 Long Pants. (They pretty much laughed at me when I inquired about a one piece. Said it would take too much altering.) I wear a 32 Waist for pants, but had to go with the 38 Long 'stich to fit my 32 inseam, and be somewhat reasonable for the waist size. I even had 1.5 inches added above the knee, but would like some more room for my upper thigh area. It's a Black with Gray Ballistics jacket, and Black on Black pants. Also have the optional spine and hip pads. Let me know if you'd like to check it out. Rob '98 VFR800 From: matthew patton To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Tourmaster 1-piece suits Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 07:12:02 -0800 (PST) I'm toying with the idea of getting one but can't seem to find any locally. Anyone have the 1-piece or a full 2-piece I can take a gander at and try on? I wear a 40/42 jacket and 34 pants. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 17 19:25:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0I0P9j09078 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 19:25:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from Smurfslayer (p45.a2.du.radix.net [207.192.129.173]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA04347 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 19:25:08 -0500 (EST) From: "Dave Yates" Cc: "'DC Bike List'" Subject: RE: 95+55=5 Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 19:23:29 -0500 Message-ID: <000401c19fb6$7dda3040$ad81c0cf@nih.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20020117163038.00b1ce18@mail.9netave.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 > Fucking cops! That would be the generic description in PG County, which, in my experience, has far more squidly riders than any other area, especially on the Beltway. And God Bless 'em ! Seriously. PG cops are the 'fastest' department around. Just get out of their way politely, let them throw a block for you ! I usually wave as they go by, just for good measure, get in behind after 6 or 7 car lengths, & boogie ! The *only* PG cop that EVER gave me static was when I was passing him on the beltway on the way to school in my open pipe 455 Olds. He got on the speaker & said "HEY! You want a ticket?" D!ck. I was only doing 60... Dave Yates '90 ZX11 'Acceleratus Maximus' LTT customized M96G EII 'Little Friend' http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 17 19:38:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f245.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.15.245]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0I0cFj09319 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 19:38:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 16:38:09 -0800 Received: from 67.160.110.215 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 00:38:08 GMT X-Originating-IP: [67.160.110.215] From: "Rob Keiser" To: pattonme@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Tourmaster 1-piece suits Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 19:38:08 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Jan 2002 00:38:09.0267 (UTC) FILETIME=[66ECAC30:01C19FB8] D'OH! It wasn't until I saw my post that I realized you said Tourmaster in your Subject line. My bad. Rob '98 VFR800 "It's not really the speed, I just wish I hadn't drank all that cough syrup this morning." _________________________________________________________________ Join the worldM-^Rs largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 17 20:19:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.gdn.org (server.gdn.org [207.188.200.126]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0I1JJj09922 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 20:19:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from [10.0.1.3] (vera.steele.com [207.188.200.90]) by server.gdn.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g0I1PkJ14765 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 20:25:46 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jsteele@XXXXXX (Unverified) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 20:19:16 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Jeff Steele Subject: Re: MC parking at 3rd and C, SW Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 7:00 PM -0500 1/17/02, Rob Winters wrote: > >At 02:54 PM 1/17/2002, Paul Wilson wrote: >>There's nothing like a little national emergency to use it as an excuse to >>block off some streets and score more free on-street parking spaces for your >>agency. > >These are not on-street. They are tucked up under the building, in fact, >partially shielded from the weather, 50 to 100 feet from the street. If I >were responsible for the security of the building, this space would >definitely be in my protection zone. > Yes, I was really surprised such parking exists. Not only are the bikes tucked up right next to the building, you have to ride on a pretty heavily travelled sidewalk to get there (and even pass by a hot dog vender). There is a sign that forbids skateboards, but I guess motorcycles are ok :-) The first thing I thought was someone important in the building rides. Otherwise, the arrangement was much too reasonable for DC. -- From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 17 23:36:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0I4aoj12918 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 23:36:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from firewall.dcc-racing.org (cable.dcc-racing.org [68.34.52.32]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id g0I4aXw07041; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 23:36:36 -0500 From: laura granato To: Chris Weaver , MOTO748@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Hello again Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 23:36:30 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <20020117141401.58664.qmail@web11102.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20020117141401.58664.qmail@web11102.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0201172336300A.09566@firewall.dcc-racing.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Thursday 17 January 2002 09:14, Chris Weaver wrote: > Jeff, > We now have a website for the list at www.dccycles.com > that I put together with a lot of help from Laura > Granato and a lot of content from list members. Hey Jeff, I've heard a lot about you and I'm looking forward to meeting you at the track. >You can find out more on > dc-cycles racers by going to the website and clicking > on the "Racing" tab and then on "Racers" at the top of > the page. The page is pretty out of date and not > complete (my fault), but might give you some idea of > who's been racing recently. > That would be my fault too. Chris, let's talk offline about getting the site updated. We actually get some really decent hits to our site!!! Laura http://laura.dcc-racing.org From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 18 07:14:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web10502.mail.yahoo.com (web10502.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.152]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g0ICE4j19839 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 07:14:04 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020118121402.96467.qmail@web10502.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [166.94.9.205] by web10502.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 04:14:02 PST Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 04:14:02 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Withrow Subject: RE: OT: reckless ticketing To: jmstrang@XXXXXX, Rob Winters , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Jon Strang wrote: > Then why even have different incomes? > > Everybody should get the same paycheck, no matter > how hard they work. > > It'd be more fair. > > --jon > 01 Suz Bandit 1200 I am not touting the benefits of socialism. I am merely stating that if a fine is designed to be punitive, then the punishment should be equal for the same offense. To some, a $50 fine will affect how many groceries they buy that week. To others, they would not notice if $500 fell out of their pocket. ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 18 08:18:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r07.mx.aol.com (imo-r07.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.103]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0IDIkj20837 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 08:18:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from PenguinBiker@XXXXXX by imo-r07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.25.) id 2.18f.1fabb9a (4596) for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 08:18:28 -0500 (EST) From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <18f.1fabb9a.29797aa3@aol.com> Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 08:18:27 EST Subject: Re: State Farm To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 1/17/2002 2:35:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, bernescut@XXXXXX writes: > " I couldn't repair your brakes, so I made your horn louder." Reminds me of the old "Good brakes make bad drivers" Used to be a common philosophy, primarily among manufacturers. The sad part is I am not sure I disagree completely, the only thing most drivers out there know how to do in an emergency is slam on their brakes. Hurry up and find a bike (one with good brakes.) John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European is now necessary {and I still like it.}) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 18 08:39:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from boo-mda02.boo.net (boo-mda02.boo.net [216.200.67.22]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0IDdTj21192 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 08:39:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from default (ppp-boonet2-59.boo.net [208.184.99.59]) by boo-mda02.boo.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA07687 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 08:39:27 -0500 From: "Lisa Goddard" To: "dcccycles" Subject: fines based on income Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 08:27:13 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 09:00:58 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: OT: reckless ticketing To: Rob Winters , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Fines based on income? Kinda makes sense when you think about it. Income tax, child support, alimony, etc. are income based. A $100 fine for speeding will not affect Bill Gates the same way it affects a single mother of 3 working at McDonalds. Todd being unemployed at the moment I think that would be fine!! Get laid off and go riding, faster!! Lisa '95 VFR currently jobless From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 18 11:30:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web10505.mail.yahoo.com (web10505.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.155]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g0IGUmj24225 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 11:30:48 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020118163047.183.qmail@web10505.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [166.94.9.205] by web10505.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 08:30:47 PST Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 08:30:47 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: fines based on income To: Lisa Goddard , dcccycles In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > being unemployed at the moment I think that would be > fine!! Get laid off > and go riding, faster!! > > Lisa > '95 VFR > currently jobless > Then the appropriate penalty would be jail time. Still works to your favor, you would not need to buy food. :) Still jobless? Weren't you selling a KLR250? Or am I thinking of someone else. Todd ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 18 13:28:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web14601.mail.yahoo.com (web14601.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.79]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g0IISsj26078 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 13:28:54 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020118173408.35848.qmail@web14601.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [168.103.160.240] by web14601.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 09:34:08 PST Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 09:34:08 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: In case anyone was intrested To: Adam Brookman , dc cycles In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Adam Brookman wrote: > I have a friend selling a yellow 1998 748S with 4,000 > miles on the clock. > Full akro exhaust. Very nice bike. He put the exhaust > on thinking he was > going to race it but never did. Still in street trim. > Never dropped. A > really clean machine. If I hadnt just picked up my > gixxer it would be > sitting in my garage right now. you bought a 150hp jackhammer when you wanted a 100hp x-acto knife? shame on you! -- tg > If your intrested contact me off list and Ill give you > his info. > > Adam. > 2k1 Gsxr 1k __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 18 15:00:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f57.law11.hotmail.com [64.4.17.57]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0IK0Ij27546 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 15:00:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 11:49:02 -0800 Received: from 63.75.33.2 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 19:49:02 GMT X-Originating-IP: [63.75.33.2] From: "Pejman Taei" To: mtwithrow@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: 95+55=5 Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:49:02 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Jan 2002 19:49:02.0703 (UTC) FILETIME=[2DFACFF0:01C1A059] That is ridiculous. I don't understand why cops harass Sport Bikes. It is almost impossible to cruise on the highway going less then 75mph, the bike doesn't seem stable : ) >From: Todd Withrow >To: DC Bike List >Subject: 95+55=5 >Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 09:16:40 -0800 (PST) > >95mph in a 55mph zone gets you 5 days in jail. > >Just thought I would remind some folks that the Judges >in Fairfax are getting harsh on speeding and other >traffic offenses. I have seen several drivers go to >jail recently for speeding. If you have never seen the >inside of the Fairfax County Adult Detention Center, >you should swing by for a tour. See it on your terms, >not theirs. Might be a good incentive to keep the >speed down. > >Another thing, I was chatting with my Dad. He quoted a >State Trooper who was attending the MSF course as >saying that they will overlook indiscretions by >cruisers, but if you are riding a sportbike, they will >slam you for any squidly behaviour. > >Todd > >===== >AIM: Inf DS > >http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow > >----------------------------------------------------------- >Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to >childproof the world. > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! >http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 18 19:42:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0J0g2V01678 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 19:42:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-55-107.s361.tnt1.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.55.107] helo=camaro) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16Rja4-0007QB-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 19:42:00 -0500 From: "Adam Brookman" To: "dc cycles" Subject: RE: In case anyone was intrested Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 19:26:11 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20020118173408.35848.qmail@web14601.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 I bought the gixxer because its what I wanted. I would have bought the 748 if it were for sale earlier due to the price but I dont think he would have taken my 98 zx7r in trade. Dis the suzuki if you like but it corners like its on rails and runs like a raped ape. Im not partial to the dukes anyway. If Im gonna spend $20k on something with 2 wheels its gonna be an MV Agusta F4. His bike really is nice but Ill take my I4 over his twin....for now. Adam. 2k1 Gsxr 1k -----Original Message----- From: Tom Gimer [mailto:t_gimer@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 12:34 PM To: Adam Brookman; dc cycles Subject: Re: In case anyone was intrested --- Adam Brookman wrote: > I have a friend selling a yellow 1998 748S with 4,000 > miles on the clock. > Full akro exhaust. Very nice bike. He put the exhaust > on thinking he was > going to race it but never did. Still in street trim. > Never dropped. A > really clean machine. If I hadnt just picked up my > gixxer it would be > sitting in my garage right now. you bought a 150hp jackhammer when you wanted a 100hp x-acto knife? shame on you! -- tg > If your intrested contact me off list and Ill give you > his info. > > Adam. > 2k1 Gsxr 1k __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 18 20:47:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from femail28.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail28.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.254.60.18]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0J1l9V02763 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 20:47:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from home.com ([68.50.28.71]) by femail28.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20020119014659.XYWF1750.femail28.sdc1.sfba.home.com@XXXXXX>; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 17:46:59 -0800 Message-ID: <3C48D1D0.143EB9BC@home.com> Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 20:54:24 -0500 From: "Steven C. Di Pietro" Organization: Suzuki Owners Club USA X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Adam Brookman CC: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: In case anyone was intrested References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Adam Brookman wrote: > I bought the gixxer because its what I wanted. I would have bought the 748 > if it were for sale earlier due to the price but I dont think he would have > taken my 98 zx7r in trade. Dis the suzuki if you like but it corners like > its on rails and runs like a raped ape. Im not partial to the dukes anyway. > If Im gonna spend $20k on something with 2 wheels its gonna be an MV Agusta > F4. His bike really is nice but Ill take my I4 over his twin....for now. > > Adam. > 2k1 Gsxr 1k > Adam, I'm with 'ya on that one! 2001 GSXR 1000, SWEET! Steven C. Di Pietro Assistant National Director National Marketing Coordinator Suzuki Owners Club USA 142 Circle Road Pasadena Md. 21122-6036 http://www.soc-usa.org From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 18 23:12:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from femail18.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail18.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.145]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0J4CpV04806 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 23:12:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from mindspring.com ([24.18.170.145]) by femail18.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20020119041250.ZLYM8906.femail18.sdc1.sfba.home.com@XXXXXX> for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 20:12:50 -0800 Message-ID: <3C48F5D0.5F0DE8FC@mindspring.com> Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 23:28:00 -0500 From: Todd X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Frame Paint/Powder Coating References: <200201190000.g0J001900988@dirty.meretrix.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Can anyone recommend a frame painting or powder coating shop? Thanks, Todd From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 18 23:29:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from lycanthrope.crosslink.net (root@XXXXXX [206.246.124.36]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0J4TkV05044 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 23:29:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from norc (dial064.king-george.246.crosslink.net [207.199.164.83]) by lycanthrope.crosslink.net (8.9.3/) with ESMTP id XAA08599 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 23:29:41 -0500 X-Really-To: Message-Id: <4.2.2.20020118232733.00cb4e90@biga.pop.crosslink.net> X-Sender: biga@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 23:29:34 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Andrew Culpepper Subject: Re: Frame Paint/Powder Coating In-Reply-To: <3C48F5D0.5F0DE8FC@mindspring.com> References: <200201190000.g0J001900988@dirty.meretrix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 11:28 PM 1/18/02 , you wrote: >Can anyone recommend a frame painting or powder coating shop? > >Thanks, >Todd I've heard good things about http://www.parts-is-parts.com/ and http://www.speed-werks.com/ Andrew C. '90 EX500 '01 ZR-7S From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 18 23:43:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from cpimssmtpu03.email.msn.com (cpimssmtpu03.email.msn.com [207.46.181.79]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0J4hjV05284 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 23:43:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from computer ([67.24.150.40]) by cpimssmtpu03.email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4617); Fri, 18 Jan 2002 20:42:33 -0800 From: "Ricardo Pontes" To: "Dccycles" , "Stephen Harris" Subject: RE: roadracing school MARRC Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 23:43:50 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.20020114164911.015b1eb8@his.com> Importance: Normal X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Jan 2002 04:42:33.0699 (UTC) FILETIME=[B6052B30:01C1A0A3] Thats really disappointing to find out that MARRC might not be for me. I already sent my payment in. Another thing i was hoping for, is that if you take the school you can then get a racing license. With this you could enter the track for around 100$ for track days, without it the only way on the track is with the school which costs more. I really just want to track playing time, but i dont want to endenger myself or others by my lack of expertise in track riding. Im not the fastest, i just want to learn how to ride better, perhaps learn how to put my knee down on the track, something im very curious about doing, it doesnt not seem feesable on the average road. If i do enjoy this MARRC school, who knows i might want to race, but i dont want to commit to anything like that. :) You know, kinda thinking of it. I do want to race :). I just dont want to be labeled a squid. I dont think its appropritate to start racing on a yamaha r1 thou, for me anyway it isnt. I signed up for nesba membership(70$), that will nice. I will look forward to some track days. Thanx to all who pointed me in the right direction. I dont i get a refund from MARRC i will still take the racing school thou. Ricardo Pontes www.pileofgarbage.com At 01:08 PM 1/14/02 -0500, Ricardo Pontes wrote: >Anyone has ever taken this course. Its held at summit Point raceway. I have >signed up for it. But there are a bunch of things you need to do to your >motorcycle in order to get in. Safety wire and taping of headlights and >such. Can dual sport and dirt bikes get in the track as well or is it just >road bikes? I one of the folks that runs the MARRC school. We are clearly slanted towards road bikes, but we have had a few guys that have taken the school on modified dirt bikes in the past. Unless you are a very savy mechanic, plan on using your street bike rather than trying to modify your dirt bike to race on. >Im thinking of just getting my r1 changed over by my local dealer, he might >know what to do better than i. I am buying some damaged plastic to put on it >instead of the new plastic it has on it right now. I would like to know how >to handle it better in a controlled setting, no intention on racing, i will >be going at my own pace at the track. Honestly, the MARRC school may not be for you if you do not want to go racing. Historically we are focused on teaching you the things you need to know to start club level road racing as safely as possible. While some of what we do will help you to be a better rider, most of what we do is flags, start procedures, crashing, that sort of thing. New for 2002 we are going to be doing full day schools on friday at the jefferson circuit, instead of the 1/2 day school on Saturday during the races. What this means is we will have more opportunity & track time to look at riding issues, but really, we are charted as a "motorcycle road racing" school, not a "make you a better rider" school. As far as shops are concerned, go with a shop the specializes in road racing, like Cycle Accessory Discounters (301) 977-7188 or Fast Lane Cycles (703) 818-8890. If you have any ?'s about the MARRC school please feel free to direct them to me. Stephen Harris Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request Sat Jan 19 09:21:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0JEL7V16283 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 09:21:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from firewall.dcc-racing.org (cable.dcc-racing.org [68.34.52.32]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id g0JEL3w11054; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 09:21:04 -0500 From: Brian Roach Reply-To: roach@XXXXXX To: "Ricardo Pontes" , "Dccycles" , "Stephen Harris" Subject: Re: roadracing school MARRC Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 09:21:02 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02011909210207.10368@firewall.dcc-racing.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Friday 18 January 2002 23:43, Ricardo Pontes wrote: > Thats really disappointing to find out that MARRC might not be for me. I > already sent my payment in. Another thing i was hoping for, is that if you > take the school you can then get a racing license. With this you could > enter the track for around 100$ for track days, without it the only way on > the track is with the school which costs more. Only Roger Lyle Test and Tune days, but you do have a point... his days are *awesome* because he limits it to 60 riders, and only licenced racers. > I really just want to track > playing time, but i dont want to endenger myself or others by my lack of > expertise in track riding. Im not the fastest, i just want to learn how to > ride better, perhaps learn how to put my knee down on the track, something > im very curious about doing, it doesnt not seem feesable on the average > road. Smart thinking :) > If i do enjoy this MARRC school, who knows i might want to race, but i dont > want to commit to anything like that. :) > > You know, kinda thinking of it. I do want to race :). I just dont want to > be labeled a squid. I dont think its appropritate to start racing on a > yamaha r1 thou, for me anyway it isnt. Good thing, because as a novice you wouldn't be allowed to race it. Sorta like starting racing cars in NASCAR Winston Cup. > I signed up for nesba membership(70$), that will nice. I will look forward > to some track days. Thanx to all who pointed me in the right direction. I > dont i get a refund from MARRC i will still take the racing school thou. These are a lot of fun, and maybe we'll see you out there this year! - Roach From dc-cycles-request Sat Jan 19 09:56:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f138.hotmail.com [216.32.181.138]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0JEuDV16802 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 09:56:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 06:44:53 -0800 Received: from 63.178.91.180 by lw2fd.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 14:44:53 GMT X-Originating-IP: [63.178.91.180] From: "Ken Shephard" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Riding schools at Summit Point Are there any Streeet riding schoo/ Was Re: Marrc Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 09:44:53 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Jan 2002 14:44:53.0602 (UTC) FILETIME=[DB14BC20:01C1A0F7] Hey all, out of lurk mode for awhile ;) At least I got a nice ride in yesterday before the snow.... Following the thread on the roadracing schools, and was wondering whether there are any street riding schools held there. I've been riding for 25 years now, but have never taken a formal riding school. I'm not interested in a school geared towards roadracing as the MARRC school apparently is , but one with a street bias. Also, can someone point out a sight or provide the information necessary to prepare a bike, in my case a Buell Cyclone to be allowed to run on the track during a track day. What if any thing must be done. I dont want to pull off the lighting equpment etc, as its still my primary commuter, except on days like this where the old pickup gets put back in service. Is it the kind of stuff I can do in th garage, or would it be stuff that a shop should do, or someone with that knowledge? Ken S........ Ride Safe and Forever Free 1996 HD XLH1200 2001 Buell M2 Cyclone Inwood WV HDKnight@XXXXXX AIM HDKnight1 ICQ #32289311 _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Sat Jan 19 10:22:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp2.abac.com (smtp2.abac.com [216.55.128.11]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0JFMBV17241 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 10:22:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from apnHOFOJOKO (02-0164.068.popsite.net [64.24.81.164]) by smtp2.abac.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 6412A1C75DA; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 07:22:08 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <001701c1a0fd$481fd3e0$a4511840@apnHOFOJOKO> From: "Howard J. Koontz" To: Cc: Subject: Re: 95+55=5 Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 10:22:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Paul Wilson replied to Todd Withrow with: what difference should it make? Speeding, riding two abreast, Um, what's wrong with riding two by two? I mean, our group does it quite often, especially at night, to gain the added benefit of group headlights. If you're alert, watching what's going on ahead of you, it doesn't seem like that big a problem to me. All the bikes signal the bikes behind them for obstacles in the road with an arm or leg wave, and approaching a turn, the inside track rider drops back so the group forms up single file, while in the turn, until the road straightens up again, then we re-form. We haven't had any problems this way in the 4 or so years we have been riding as a group. Whassupwitdat? Howard J. Koontz 2001 Harley Davidson FLHT Electra Glide Standard 1972 Honda Z50AK3 Mini Trail Resto Project From dc-cycles-request Sat Jan 19 10:32:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web13908.mail.yahoo.com (web13908.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.71]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g0JFW1V17382 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 10:32:01 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020119153156.91600.qmail@web13908.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.15.184.123] by web13908.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 07:31:56 PST Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 07:31:56 -0800 (PST) From: Keith Lamond Subject: Re: Riding schools at Summit Point Are there any Streeet riding schoo/ Was Re: Marrc To: Ken Shephard , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Ken, Most of the track organizations (NESBA, Pro Motion, etc) have bike prep information on their website. For track day beginners, bike prep is minimal. Remove mirrors and tape over lights. No safety wiring is required. It isn't till you get into the advanced groups that things like safety wiring is required. NESBA provides an intro class that is free for first time track riders. You get to ride in the first two sessions of the track day to experience what riding on the track is like. The only catch is, if you decide you want to stay for the rest of the day, you usually aren't able to, since they have strict limits on how many riders can be in each class and these classes are usually sold out. NESBA also has a discussion group on their site and people are quick to answer questions about track days, equipment, whatever. Check out www.nesba.com. The people there will definitely answer all your questions on track days. Keith SV650 street GS500e NESBA #456 YSR50 EARA #24 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ From dc-cycles-request Sat Jan 19 11:19:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail.his.com (root@XXXXXX [209.67.207.13]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0JGJTV18055 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 11:19:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from harris (max2h-200.his.com [216.32.85.200]) by mail.his.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA04732; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 11:19:26 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.20020119111942.012b9c44@his.com> X-Sender: harris@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 11:19:46 -0800 To: "Ricardo Pontes" , "Dccycles" From: Stephen Harris Subject: RE: roadracing school MARRC Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:43 PM 1/18/02 -0500, you wrote: > >Another thing i was hoping for, is that if you >take the school you can then get a racing license. If you pass the MARRC school you will be able to purchase a novice license from any of the sanctioning bodies in this country, they recognize our school. Also, passing our school will allow you to do one of Roger Lyle's Tune & Test days at Summit Point. >playing time, but i dont want to endenger myself or others by my lack of >expertise in track riding. We won't pass you of you pose a danger to yourself or others that is beyond the danger that is obvious & inherent in trying to go fast on a motorcycle. The level of proficiency that is required to race is not what you might think it is. All out speed is not important. Rather predictability, and knowing correct procedure is what's important. If only fast guys were allowed to start racing, there would be no racers, because we all start out slow. >If i do enjoy this MARRC school, who knows i might want to race, but i dont >want to commit to anything like that. :) Most racers start out this way. I didn't want to race when I got into it, but a buddy of mine from college got me into it. "Committing" to racing is like becoming a drug addict. You start out not inhaling, and end up with a main line inter-venous habit that ruins your life...:-) >You know, kinda thinking of it. I do want to race :). Of couse you do. Its the right thing to do. >I just dont want to be >labeled a squid. I dont think its appropritate to start racing on a yamaha >r1 thou, for me anyway it isnt. Starting our racing on a R1 would be a mistake, but it is a mistake that a lot of people have made without lasting effect. Local fast guy CHRISTOPHER RANKIN took our school on a R1, and within a few months he was one going as fast as anyone else on any given weekend. Personally if I were you I would get a used SV650 or like used lightweight race bike. Having looked at the accident stats for first year racers I have grudgingly come to the conclusion that the conventional wisdom, that learning to race on a liter class bike is more likely to cause a first year novice to crash, is not the case. I was one of the most vocal supporters of the conventional wisdom, but the data does not support it. However, crashing you R1 is certainly going to be a more expensive crash, and the injuries are more likely as well. Save you money and possibly your body, race a lightweight bike for your first year at least. Any other ?'s feel free to ask away. S Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request Sat Jan 19 12:05:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from voyager.int.bcop.com (bcopgate.bcop.com [204.99.250.45]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0JH5lV18835 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 12:05:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com (bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com [10.7.205.80]) by voyager.int.bcop.com (Switch-2.2.1/Switch-2.2.0) with SMTP id g0JH7wM08058 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 11:07:58 -0600 (CST) Received: from BCGATE-DOM-Message_Server by bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com with Novell_GroupWise; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 11:01:05 -0600 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.5.1 Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 10:59:24 -0600 From: "George Cole" To: , Subject: RE: roadracing school MARRC Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g0JH5tV18836 >>> "Ricardo Pontes" >Thats really disappointing to find out that MARRC might not be for me Ricardo, I too was thinking about racing, but wanted to plan it out and start with track days first. So far I am having lot's of fun with the NESBA days, and for now that is giving me all the racing fix I need. Take a riding class (California Superbike, Pridmore etc) read Keith Codes books and do some NESBA days. A R1 is a great bike and super fast, but you may be better off with a used racebike (check out the classifieds @ roadracingworld.com). I can tell you after almost 20 years of riding sporbikes on the street, I learned more about riding this year by attending NESBA days and the CSS school. It's lots of fun, if maybe a little humbling. I am NESBA no 207 (blue R6) please come by and visit. Also, many of the DC Cycles racers have been very helpful too with advice etc. Speaking of NESBA is anyone going to Road America this year? Cheers George Cole 01 FZ1 99 R6 track bike From dc-cycles-request Sat Jan 19 12:20:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from cpimssmtpu04.email.msn.com (cpimssmtpu04.email.msn.com [207.46.181.80]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0JHKqV19084 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 12:20:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from computer ([65.129.25.149]) by cpimssmtpu04.email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4617); Sat, 19 Jan 2002 09:19:40 -0800 From: "Ricardo Pontes" To: "Dccycles" Subject: RE: roadracing school MARRC Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 12:20:59 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.20020119111942.012b9c44@his.com> Importance: Normal X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Jan 2002 17:19:41.0475 (UTC) FILETIME=[7B15AF30:01C1A10D] If you pass the MARRC school you will be able to purchase a novice license from any of the sanctioning bodies in this country, they recognize our school. Also, passing our school will allow you to do one of Roger Lyle's Tune & Test days at Summit Point. -What does it take to pass the school? You have to take part of a Mock race right? Does finishing guarantee you a licence if you dont fall or have bad lines? >playing time, but i dont want to endenger myself or others by my lack of >expertise in track riding. We won't pass you of you pose a danger to yourself or others that is beyond the danger that is obvious & inherent in trying to go fast on a motorcycle. The level of proficiency that is required to race is not what you might think it is. All out speed is not important. Rather predictability, and knowing correct procedure is what's important. If only fast guys were allowed to start racing, there would be no racers, because we all start out slow. Most racers start out this way. I didn't want to race when I got into it, but a buddy of mine from college got me into it. "Committing" to racing is like becoming a drug addict. You start out not inhaling, and end up with a main line inter-venous habit that ruins your life...:-) Of couse you do. Its the right thing to do. Starting our racing on a R1 would be a mistake, but it is a mistake that a lot of people have made without lasting effect. Local fast guy CHRISTOPHER RANKIN took our school on a R1, and within a few months he was one going as fast as anyone else on any given weekend. - I dont think i can afford to buy another motorcycle just now. Im buying some used plastic for my motorcycle just in case of a crash. I added frame sliders everywhere as well. This wont get rid of the power the r1 has, but it might just make me feel better about racing it. How does street experience translate to a race track? Is summit point a very hard course to race on, compared to say VIR? Personally if I were you I would get a used SV650 or like used lightweight race bike. Having looked at the accident stats for first year racers I have grudgingly come to the conclusion that the conventional wisdom, that learning to race on a liter class bike is more likely to cause a first year novice to crash, is not the case. I was one of the most vocal supporters of the conventional wisdom, but the data does not support it. However, crashing you R1 is certainly going to be a more expensive crash, and the injuries are more likely as well. Save you money and possibly your body, race a lightweight bike for your first year at least. - I heard the SV650 is an excellent bike for that purpose. Im wondering what you think about a dual sport converted to a super motard? Is that legal to race in? Can it be in where the sportbikes compete? Id rather get a dual sport bike this time around. Might not win any lap records, but it might be fun enough. -Thanx for taking the time out to answer my newbie questions!! Ricardo Pontes www.pileofgarbage.com From dc-cycles-request Sat Jan 19 13:03:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from voyager.int.bcop.com (bcopgate.bcop.com [204.99.250.45]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0JI3oV19660 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 13:03:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com (bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com [10.7.205.80]) by voyager.int.bcop.com (Switch-2.2.1/Switch-2.2.0) with SMTP id g0JI66M10294 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 12:06:06 -0600 (CST) Received: from BCGATE-DOM-Message_Server by bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com with Novell_GroupWise; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 11:59:13 -0600 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.5.1 Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 11:59:11 -0600 From: "George Cole" To: , Subject: RE: roadracing school MARRC Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g0JI3qV19661 >> "Ricardo Pontes" wrote > I dont think i can afford to buy another motorcycle just now. If you can't afford another bike, you probably can't afford to race it. Racing ain't cheap, hell track days ain't cheap. Do you have a trailer or truck to haul the bike? race stands? Kick stands have to be removed BTW. Tools and stuff like that. Even for track days you will need relatively fresh rubber. > How does street experience translate to a race track? For me track riding is totally different, all 20 years on the street taught me was bad habits. On the street I usually coast up to the corners, don't use brakes much and lazily turn in, and don't really hang off much. On the track you are WFO then hard on the brakes (very little coasting) all your weight on the footpegs and hanging off then flicking it quickly into the corner and getting back on the gas ASAP. Sound different? My legs are sore after a track day. You will never ride as hard on the street, unless you have a death wish. And once you ride on the track the street with curbs/armco/mommievans etc seems really dangerous. >Is summit point a very hard course to race on, compared to say VIR? Summit point (Main course) is actually easy to learn, VIR is more fun, but more challenging. Go to both >- I heard the SV650 is an excellent bike for that purpose. Im wondering what >you think about a dual sport converted to a super motard? I doubt it would be competive or safe. Probally a hazard even for track days due to lack of top end on the straights. You don't want some dude on a R1,GSXR etc going 150+ closing on you while you are doing what 95? I thought I read the someone died this year in a incedent like that You can buy a older F3 or F2 racebike easily for a few grand. Cheers, George Cole From dc-cycles-request Sat Jan 19 13:31:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail.his.com (root@XXXXXX [209.67.207.13]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0JIVXV20100 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 13:31:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from harris (max2h-159.his.com [216.32.85.159]) by mail.his.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA17950 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 13:31:31 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.20020119133045.012c43f0@his.com> X-Sender: harris@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 13:31:50 -0800 To: "Dccycles" From: Stephen Harris Subject: RE: roadracing school MARRC Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:20 PM 1/19/02 -0500, Ricardo Pontes wrote: > >-What does it take to pass the school? You have to take part of a Mock race >right? Does finishing guarantee you a licence if you dont fall or have bad >lines? In racing, as in life, there are no guarantees. However, there have been a number of folks who crashed during the mock race and still passed. Depends on why you crashed. There are a also a number of folks who have "poor" lines and still passed. Racing lines are sort of like culinary taste. There are some general statements, for example sushi on top of ice cream isn't complimentary, but within that, racing lines are really a matter of individual preference. We just look for something that is incompatible with the rest of a typical amature field. >- I dont think i can afford to buy another motorcycle just now. Im buying >some used plastic for my motorcycle just in case of a crash. I can count on one hand the number of students, out of perhaps 1000 or so I've witnessed thru the MARRC school, that didn't crash during their first year of racing. In your above statement, please take the phrase "in case of a crash" and change it to "when I crash" because that is the reality for a first year racer. This dosen't mean you will crash when you take the school, perhaps only 10% of our students crash during the school, but I can almost promise you will crash in you first full season of racing. > How does street >experience translate to a race track? Is summit point a very hard course to >race on, compared to say VIR? There is nothing, not a single thing, that translates from riding on public roads to racing on the track. Of course you are sitting on a motorcycle, riding on pavement, but beyond that racing has about as much to do with riding on the street as sitting in a hot tub does with deep sea scuba diving under arctic pack ice. >- I heard the SV650 is an excellent bike for that purpose. Im wondering what >you think about a dual sport converted to a super motard? We've had folks who have done this, it is possible. But as I stated before I get the impression that you may not be up to the extensive amount of modification that are necessary to get a dirt type bike converted to road racing trim. It would be far cheaper and far eaiser to buy a used race preped EX500 for $1500.00. Taste great, less filling. >-Thanx for taking the time out to answer my newbie questions!! That's what I'm here for, if you have any others send them my way. S Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request Sat Jan 19 14:01:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0JJ1kV20581 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 14:01:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from firewall.dcc-racing.org (cable.dcc-racing.org [68.34.52.32]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id g0JJ1gw11522; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 14:01:42 -0500 From: laura granato To: Stephen Harris , "Dccycles" Subject: Re: roadracing school MARRC Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 14:01:41 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <3.0.32.20020119133045.012c43f0@his.com> In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.20020119133045.012c43f0@his.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0201191401410Q.09566@firewall.dcc-racing.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit >- I dont think i can afford to buy another motorcycle just now. Im buying > >some used plastic for my motorcycle just in case of a crash. > >I can count on one hand the number of students, out of perhaps 1000 or so > I've witnessed thru the MARRC school, that didn't crash during their first > year of racing. In your above statement, please take the phrase "in case > of a crash" and change it to "when I crash" because that is the reality for > a first year racer. This dosen't mean you will crash when you take the > school, perhaps only 10% of our students crash during the school, but I can > almost promise you will crash in you first full season of rac ng. I agree with Stephen here. I went almost my whole season without a crash, but I did crash. Part of it was due to another racer, and part was due to my inexperience. No matter how careful you are, you are participating in a sport where the reality of crashing is pretty good. You *will* crash at some point. Especially if racing. Track days you are less likely to crash, most definitely, because the pace and "mentality" is totally different. > > > How does street > >experience translate to a race track? Is summit point a very hard course > > to race on, compared to say VIR? > > There is nothing, not a single thing, that translates from riding on > public roads to racing on the track. I agree in a way, but not totally. Riding on the street allows you to know how to operate your motorcycle comfortably. I only had 3,000 miles on a bike, period, before I got on the track. Nothing about *riding* on the street transfers to the track, but knowing how to deal with your bikes controls is a must for getting on the track. > > >- I heard the SV650 is an excellent bike for that purpose. Im wondering > > what you think about a dual sport converted to a super motard? The SV is a great bike, but I also agree with stephen. You can find a cheap race-prepped bike, or cheap street bike to take out on the track. One misconception about the track is that you have to have a fast bike. I took my GS500 out on the track and did really good lap times on it the first time ever on the track. Have the mindset that you want to become a better rider, so the bike you ride won't really matter. Getting on the track *will* make you a better rider. There is no way around it. :-) If you have any other questions, let me know. Laura From dc-cycles-request Sat Jan 19 19:01:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net (swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.123]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0K01WV24830 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 19:01:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from washdc3-ar2-4-3-185-070.elnk.dsl.gtei.net ([4.3.185.70] helo=llarson.xhost.org) by swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16S5Q5-0004XC-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 16:01:10 -0800 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020119190107.00afe358@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: pltrgyst@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 19:02:06 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: Press Release in Roadracing World! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_782456182==_.ALT" --=====================_782456182==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Love their helmet survey -- "How to fill out the form: You can enter up to 10 individual crash incidents. If you've whacked your head more than 10 times, don't bother telling us about it because you probably won't make any sense anyway." -- Larry --=====================_782456182==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Love their helmet survey --

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--=====================_782456182==_.ALT-- From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 20 08:34:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web14601.mail.yahoo.com (web14601.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.79]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g0KDYUV06467 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 08:34:30 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020120133429.60536.qmail@web14601.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [138.88.41.250] by web14601.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 05:34:29 PST Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 05:34:29 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: In case anyone was intrested To: Adam Brookman , dc cycles In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Adam Brookman wrote: > I bought the gixxer because its what I wanted. I would > have bought the 748 > if it were for sale earlier due to the price but I dont > think he would have > taken my 98 zx7r in trade. Dis the suzuki if you like > but it corners like > its on rails and runs like a raped ape. Im not partial > to the dukes anyway. > If Im gonna spend $20k on something with 2 wheels its > gonna be an MV Agusta F4. who said anything about $20k? your friend's 748 was, no doubt, under $10k. and i didn't "dis" the suzuki either....it is an amazing machine. it may be about 200% too much bike for the street though.... > His bike really is nice but Ill take my I4 over his > twin....for now. fine....enjoy it. see you in the hills.... -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! 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Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 20 16:06:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp2.abac.com (smtp2.abac.com [216.55.128.11]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0KL6TV13190 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 16:06:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from apnHOFOJOKO (07-171.068.popsite.net [64.24.90.171]) by smtp2.abac.com (Postfix) with SMTP id EBA551C7591 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 13:06:26 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <000f01c1a1f6$8c3513c0$ab5a1840@apnHOFOJOKO> From: "Howard J. Koontz" To: Subject: Information is power, huh? Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 16:07:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Hey, Here's an interesting service. I thought this is what I was doing by subscribing to, like, a dozen bike rags for the better part of 10 years now. http://www.mcreports.com/index.html Howard J. Koontz 2001 Harley Davidson FLHT Electra Glide Standard 1972 Honda Z50AK3 Mini Trail Resto Project From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 20 16:27:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web13005.mail.yahoo.com (web13005.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.15]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g0KLRtV13487 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 16:27:55 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020120212753.4499.qmail@web13005.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.168.171.160] by web13005.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 13:27:53 PST Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 13:27:53 -0800 (PST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Motorcyclist killed in Newport News. Woman gets $200 fine. To: DC-Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I just saw this article on the AMA pages. More unfair sentencing. Louis http://www.amadirectlink.com/releases/NNewsCrash.asp - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Kill a biker, pay a $200 fine Jan. 16 - A woman who killed a motorcyclist in a traffic crash in Newport News, Virginia, got off with a $200 fine, drawing fire from a local newspaper columnist who called for tougher penalties for traffic-law violators who kill people. "Whenever violations of traffic laws take human lives, justice demands that the people responsible forfeit their driving privileges at least temporarily," wrote local columnist Jim Spencer in the Daily Press January 9. "If the law doesnM-^Rt allow for that in all fatal accidents, then the law should be changed." Spencer notes that Betty Elliott turned her car in front of 20-year-old Adam SvihlaM-^Rs motorcycle on September 12, killing him and injuring his girlfriend, who was riding on the bike as a passenger. When sentenced in January, Elliott was ordered to pay a $200 fine plus court costs for failing to yield the right of way. SvihlaM-^Rs mother, Jody Patteson, immediately contacted state lawmakers to try to change the law to provide for more severe penalties in future cases. Virginia lawmakers are already working on legislation to make the change. The AMA has launched a campaign in several states called "Motorcyclists Matter" to try to reduce crashes caused by motorists who pull into the paths of motorcycles. The campaign seeks to increase penalties for motorists who injure or kill motorcyclists, and to raise public awareness of motorcyclists on the road. Clubs or individuals who would like to get involved in the "Motorcyclists Matter" campaign should contact Imre Szauter, AMA Legislative Affairs Specialist, at (614) 856-1900, ext. 1125, or by e-mail at iszauter@XXXXXX and ask for the "Motorcyclists Matter" information kit. M-) 2002, American Motorcyclist Association __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 21 11:46:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from rhino.spottedcat.com (IDENT:root@[63.91.14.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0LGktV00646 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 11:46:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (hcaldwell@localhost) by rhino.spottedcat.com (8.11.6/8.8.7) with ESMTP id g0LGkkZ09416 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 11:46:46 -0500 Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 11:46:46 -0500 (EST) From: hcaldwell X-Sender: hcaldwell@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Riding suits? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I'm looking to get a two piece synthetic riding suit. One of the features I would like is a removable liner similar to what leather pants have (not a cold weather liner). I would like waterproof riding pants that I can wear without jeans but have a removable liner so I can wash the part that is against my skin. Any ideas? Thanks HughC From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 21 12:58:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from hosting-network.com (NODE1.HOSTING-NETWORK.COM [64.38.127.1] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g0LHwkV01771 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 12:58:46 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 84592 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2002 18:00:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO truck.lemrow.com) (170.252.3.2) by node-66.hosting-network.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2002 18:00:48 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020121125808.04077008@mail.lemrow.com> X-Sender: firblt@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 12:59:59 -0500 To: hcaldwell , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Justin Lemrow Subject: Re: Riding suits? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Hugh, motoport makes some pants that are pretty affodable. (www.motoport.com) good protection, good price, waterproof other favorites are the areostitch 2 piece (though not exactly water proof) (www.riderwarehouse.com) good protection, ok price, not waterpoof and Dianese pants (www.motorace.com), great protection, very waterproof, not cheap Justin 1999 VFR 800 Northern VA/Washington DC From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 21 13:25:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from m11.boston.juno.com (m11.boston.juno.com [64.136.24.74]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0LIPMV02228 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 13:25:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"fTLSAcSSZ0OO+O1u10jMXPxK/ec5LQUUylXelpvqOcJ13kO8z2+wlg=="> Received: (from celticracing@XXXXXX) by m11.boston.juno.com (jqueuemail) id GRPTQ9JB; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 13:24:41 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, tommi@XXXXXX, CyclePros1@XXXXXX, fastlanecycles@XXXXXX, motorholic@XXXXXX, alanlapp@XXXXXX, gary@XXXXXX, dmiddleton3@XXXXXX, chrisw@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 13:22:11 -0500 Subject: Lee/Jackson/Snow/King Toyota Sale, One day only Message-ID: <20020121.132211.-27821.1.CelticRacing@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=--__JNP_000_6bff.0915.5d03 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 11-6,8-11,13-16,18-19,24,27-28,30-32,33-32767 From: Tom Fitzpatrick This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ----__JNP_000_6bff.0915.5d03 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit O.k. I was going to just keep the damn wagon, went to the DMV on Friday to reregister it, and it was Closed, due to Lee/Jackson Day! Went 8:30 Saturday morning, and the line was OUT THE DOOR! Went back at 11:45 Saturday (scheduled to close at 12:30), and they closed their doors at 11:00 due to "inclement weather"! Can't go today, due to Martin Luther King Day! If somebody shows up with $500 cash before 8:00 PM tonight, you can have it. Otherwise, I will keep it. 85 Toyota Tercel Wagon, 5 door, cast wheels, decent appearance, blue color. Runs, was used as the car to go to the commuter lot until I got a 92 Sable with air conditioning. Now, I just use it to go to the home depot or take the dog places. It got emissions last year. Got tires two years ago, muffler and other exhaust parts last year. Automatic transmission. Radio works. Air Conditioning "works", but leaks freon, so right now it doesn't work and won't hold freon for very long. Cruise Control. That's about it. I appreciate the lists' patience with me. This will be the last post for this item. Thanks, Tom Fitzpatrick(703) 670-5525 near Potomac Mills/Woodbridge, Va ----__JNP_000_6bff.0915.5d03 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
O.k.  I was going to just keep the damn wagon, went to the DMV on= =20 Friday to reregister it, and it was Closed, due to Lee/Jackson Day!
 
Went 8:30 Saturday morning, and the line was OUT THE DOOR!
 
Went back at 11:45 Saturday (scheduled to close at 12:30), and = they=20 closed their doors at 11:00 due to "inclement weather"!
 
Can't go today, due to Martin Luther King Day!
 
If somebody shows up with $500 cash before 8:00 PM tonight, you can = have=20 it.  Otherwise, I will keep it.
 
85 Toyota Tercel Wagon, 5 door, cast wheels, decent appearance, = blue=20 color.  Runs, was used as the car to go to the commuter lot until I = got a=20 92 Sable with air conditioning.  Now, I just use it to go to the home = depot=20 or take the dog places.  It got emissions last year.   Got = tires=20 two years ago, muffler and other exhaust parts last year.
Automatic transmission.  Radio works.  Air Conditioning "= works",=20 but leaks freon, so right now it doesn't work and won't hold freon for very= =20 long.  Cruise Control.  That's about it.
 
I appreciate the lists' patience with me.  This will be the last = post=20 for this item.
 
Thanks,
Tom Fitzpatrick(703) 670-5525 near Potomac Mills/Woodbridge, Va
 
----__JNP_000_6bff.0915.5d03-- From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 21 13:30:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from rhino.spottedcat.com (IDENT:root@[63.91.14.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0LIU6V02371 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 13:30:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (hcaldwell@localhost) by rhino.spottedcat.com (8.11.6/8.8.7) with ESMTP id g0LITuI09612 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 13:29:57 -0500 Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 13:29:56 -0500 (EST) From: hcaldwell X-Sender: hcaldwell@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Riding suits? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020121125808.04077008@mail.lemrow.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I'm not interested in the Motoports because you have to use a lining to make them waterproof. I figure if I have to stop to put a lining in I might as well get a rainsuit. Also since I don't want to wear pants underneat my riding suit having to remove the suit to put in the liner could be especially problematic. I wouldn't mind an aerosticth,belstaff, or firstgear suit but as far as I can tell all of these are meant to be worn over street clothes. What I guess I'm looking for is the synthetic equivalent of a leather suit that's waterproof. Heck, if there are any waterproof leather suits I would even get one of those. I'm planning on going on a long trip and will be wearing this suit almost daily so it's very important that it be easy to clean. Thanks for the tips, HughC On Mon, 21 Jan 2002, Justin Lemrow wrote: > Hugh, > > motoport makes some pants that are pretty affodable. (www.motoport.com) > good protection, good price, waterproof > > other favorites are the areostitch 2 piece (though not exactly water proof) > (www.riderwarehouse.com) good protection, ok price, not waterpoof > and Dianese pants (www.motorace.com), great protection, very waterproof, > not cheap > > Justin > > 1999 VFR 800 > Northern VA/Washington DC > From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 21 14:18:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from rasmus.futurequest.net (IDENT:qmailr@XXXXXX [63.151.112.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g0LJIRV03145 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 14:18:27 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 19071 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2002 19:18:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dcpiii1000) (64.3.32.57) by motorcyclegearreview.com (63.151.113.84) with SMTP; 21 Jan 2002 19:18:48 -0000 Message-ID: <000b01c1a2b0$6631fb60$39200340@blairdubilier.com> From: "Dave Cross" To: "hcaldwell" , References: Subject: Re: Riding suits? Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 14:18:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Have you looked at the BMW stuff? It's not inexpensive, but it is well made. I own the summer coverall suite and wear shorts and a tshirt under it. http://www.bmwridersapparel.com/ Dave From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 21 14:32:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from hosting-network.com (NODE1.HOSTING-NETWORK.COM [64.38.127.1] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g0LJWEV03355 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 14:32:14 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 1652 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2002 19:33:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO truck.lemrow.com) (170.252.3.2) by node-66.hosting-network.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2002 19:33:55 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020121142553.04075a20@mail.lemrow.com> X-Sender: firblt@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 14:29:45 -0500 To: hcaldwell , dc-cycles@XXXXXX, vFR List From: Justin Lemrow Subject: Re: Riding suits? In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020121125808.04077008@mail.lemrow.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Hugh, FWIW, i think motoport's Voyager AX don't require the lining to be waterproof. http://www.motoport.com/detail.asp?InStock=1&PriceCall=0&Merchant_ID=G7Y9CEYc&Product_ID=102.508&Merchant_Company=Pants%20Gear&Category=Cordura/Nylon Justin > I'm not interested in the Motoports because you have to >use a lining to make them waterproof. I figure if I have to stop >to put a lining in I might as well get a rainsuit. Also since I >don't want to wear pants underneat my riding suit having to remove >the suit to put in the liner could be especially problematic. > > > > motoport makes some pants that are pretty affodable. (www.motoport.com) > > good protection, good price, waterproof > > > > other favorites are the areostitch 2 piece (though not exactly water > proof) > > (www.riderwarehouse.com) good protection, ok price, not waterpoof > > and Dianese pants (www.motorace.com), great protection, very waterproof, > > not cheap > > 1999 VFR 800 Northern VA/Washington DC From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 21 16:33:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web20105.mail.yahoo.com (web20105.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g0LLXGV05252 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 16:33:16 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020121213314.91517.qmail@web20105.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.205.6.30] by web20105.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 13:33:14 PST Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 13:33:14 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: RE: roadracing school MARRC To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.20020119133045.012c43f0@his.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > I can count on one hand the number of students, out > of perhaps 1000 or so I've witnessed thru the MARRC > school, that didn't crash during their first year of > racing. Indeed, count me in as one of those who's added to the tally of crashes. The mistake was simple: target fixation. Rodger Lyle gave me a lot of grief for it because just a couple weeks prior I had spent all day running around Summit and should have amassed enough experience not to be brain-dead. > > How does street > >experience translate to a race track? Is summit > point a very hard course to > >race on, compared to say VIR? > > There is nothing, not a single thing, that > translates from riding on public roads to racing on > the track. I respectfully disagree. Keeping your eyes up, looking far ahead, looking to where you want to go is used in both environments. Ditto, slow, look, lean, roll. Likewise, press left, lean left, go left. Keeping your wits and situational awareness is also key to surviving both environments. In the racing arena, it's obviously rather more important, and requires a faster CPU (brain), and tougher nerves. And smoothness. On the street being ham-fisted and making mistakes (like chopping the throttle in a turn) won't normally land you on your butt. Do it at greater lean angles and speeds and the results can be less nice. If you have good motorcycle control and piloting habits then racing is just a matter of ratcheting it up and coming to grips with 'survival reactions' which are anything but. If you have lousy street skills and bad habits, racing will be downright scary and expensive. > bike converted to road racing trim. It would be far > cheaper and far eaiser to buy a used race preped > EX500 for $1500.00. Taste great, less filling. Or try a GS500e which is how I'm going about it. Same price but arguably a nicer handling bike even if short a few ponies. Again, HP doesn't matter during the first couple seasons... I haven't seen VIR yet but I would say Summit is hard to beat considering how local it is and the track layout is fairly simple. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 21 16:33:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web20103.mail.yahoo.com (web20103.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.40]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g0LLXMV05255 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 16:33:22 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020121213321.46161.qmail@web20103.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.205.6.30] by web20103.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 13:33:21 PST Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 13:33:21 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: RE: roadracing school MARRC To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.20020119133045.012c43f0@his.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > I can count on one hand the number of students, out > of perhaps 1000 or so I've witnessed thru the MARRC > school, that didn't crash during their first year of > racing. Indeed, count me in as one of those who's added to the tally of crashes. The mistake was simple: target fixation. Rodger Lyle gave me a lot of grief for it because just a couple weeks prior I had spent all day running around Summit and should have amassed enough experience not to be brain-dead. > > How does street > >experience translate to a race track? Is summit > point a very hard course to > >race on, compared to say VIR? > > There is nothing, not a single thing, that > translates from riding on public roads to racing on > the track. I respectfully disagree. Keeping your eyes up, looking far ahead, looking to where you want to go is used in both environments. Ditto, slow, look, lean, roll. Likewise, press left, lean left, go left. Keeping your wits and situational awareness is also key to surviving both environments. In the racing arena, it's obviously rather more important, and requires a faster CPU (brain), and tougher nerves. And smoothness. On the street being ham-fisted and making mistakes (like chopping the throttle in a turn) won't normally land you on your butt. Do it at greater lean angles and speeds and the results can be less nice. If you have good motorcycle control and piloting habits then racing is just a matter of ratcheting it up and coming to grips with 'survival reactions' which are anything but. If you have lousy street skills and bad habits, racing will be downright scary and expensive. > bike converted to road racing trim. It would be far > cheaper and far eaiser to buy a used race preped > EX500 for $1500.00. Taste great, less filling. Or try a GS500e which is how I'm going about it. Same price but arguably a nicer handling bike even if short a few ponies. Again, HP doesn't matter during the first couple seasons... I haven't seen VIR yet but I would say Summit is hard to beat considering how local it is and the track layout is fairly simple. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 21 16:33:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web20104.mail.yahoo.com (web20104.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.41]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g0LLXfV05272 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 16:33:41 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020121213339.31626.qmail@web20104.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.205.6.30] by web20104.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 13:33:39 PST Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 13:33:39 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: RE: roadracing school MARRC To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.20020119133045.012c43f0@his.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > I can count on one hand the number of students, out > of perhaps 1000 or so I've witnessed thru the MARRC > school, that didn't crash during their first year of > racing. Indeed, count me in as one of those who's added to the tally of crashes. The mistake was simple: target fixation. Rodger Lyle gave me a lot of grief for it because just a couple weeks prior I had spent all day running around Summit and should have amassed enough experience not to be brain-dead. > > How does street > >experience translate to a race track? Is summit > point a very hard course to > >race on, compared to say VIR? > > There is nothing, not a single thing, that > translates from riding on public roads to racing on > the track. I respectfully disagree. Keeping your eyes up, looking far ahead, looking to where you want to go is used in both environments. Ditto, slow, look, lean, roll. Likewise, press left, lean left, go left. Keeping your wits and situational awareness is also key to surviving both environments. In the racing arena, it's obviously rather more important, and requires a faster CPU (brain), and tougher nerves. And smoothness. On the street being ham-fisted and making mistakes (like chopping the throttle in a turn) won't normally land you on your butt. Do it at greater lean angles and speeds and the results can be less nice. If you have good motorcycle control and piloting habits then racing is just a matter of ratcheting it up and coming to grips with 'survival reactions' which are anything but. If you have lousy street skills and bad habits, racing will be downright scary and expensive. > bike converted to road racing trim. It would be far > cheaper and far eaiser to buy a used race preped > EX500 for $1500.00. Taste great, less filling. Or try a GS500e which is how I'm going about it. Same price but arguably a nicer handling bike even if short a few ponies. Again, HP doesn't matter during the first couple seasons... I haven't seen VIR yet but I would say Summit is hard to beat considering how local it is and the track layout is fairly simple. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 21 16:35:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web20106.mail.yahoo.com (web20106.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.43]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g0LLZAV05350 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 16:35:10 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020121213508.2786.qmail@web20106.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.205.6.30] by web20106.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 13:35:08 PST Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 13:35:08 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: RE: roadracing school MARRC To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.20020119133045.012c43f0@his.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > I can count on one hand the number of students, out > of perhaps 1000 or so I've witnessed thru the MARRC > school, that didn't crash during their first year of > racing. Indeed, count me in as one of those who's added to the tally of crashes. The mistake was simple: target fixation. Rodger Lyle gave me a lot of grief for it because just a couple weeks prior I had spent all day running around Summit and should have amassed enough experience not to be brain-dead. > > How does street > >experience translate to a race track? Is summit > point a very hard course to > >race on, compared to say VIR? > > There is nothing, not a single thing, that > translates from riding on public roads to racing on > the track. I respectfully disagree. Keeping your eyes up, looking far ahead, looking to where you want to go is used in both environments. Ditto, slow, look, lean, roll. Likewise, press left, lean left, go left. Keeping your wits and situational awareness is also key to surviving both environments. In the racing arena, it's obviously rather more important, and requires a faster CPU (brain), and tougher nerves. And smoothness. On the street being ham-fisted and making mistakes (like chopping the throttle in a turn) won't normally land you on your butt. Do it at greater lean angles and speeds and the results can be less nice. If you have good motorcycle control and piloting habits then racing is just a matter of ratcheting it up and coming to grips with 'survival reactions' which are anything but. If you have lousy street skills and bad habits, racing will be downright scary and expensive. > bike converted to road racing trim. It would be far > cheaper and far eaiser to buy a used race preped > EX500 for $1500.00. Taste great, less filling. Or try a GS500e which is how I'm going about it. Same price but arguably a nicer handling bike even if short a few ponies. Again, HP doesn't matter during the first couple seasons... I haven't seen VIR yet but I would say Summit is hard to beat considering how local it is and the track layout is fairly simple. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 21 16:53:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web20107.mail.yahoo.com (web20107.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.44]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g0LLrrV05584 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 16:53:54 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020121215352.32205.qmail@web20107.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.205.6.30] by web20107.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 13:53:52 PST Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 13:53:52 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: Riding schools at Summit Point Are there any Streeet riding schoo/ Was Re: Marrc To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii sorry about the multiple reposts. My browser was in the throws of choking on blasted javascript. come to Reg Pridmore's CLASS. It's the most 'streetified' of all the classes out there. It's actually billed as a "high-speed riding school" and not a racing school and the subject matter is not the same.. Another one to consider is the new one at Road Atlanta. The school was profiled in the latest issue of Motorcycle Consumer News (not the Brit site) and then Speedvision did a special on it this Sat for the BikeWeek program. Was it Freddie Spencer's school? Can't remember. They provide a GSXR600 or SV650 for you to ride and they take all levels. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 21 17:57:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from msnawa58.usi.net (msnawa58.usi.net [209.135.43.202]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g0LMvTV06568 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 17:57:29 -0500 (EST) Received: by msnaex05.usi.net with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 17:57:16 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Diep, Tuan (Washington)" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: need a bike Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 17:57:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I'm looking for a used 600cc sportsbike. I'm considering: 96-97 CBR600 96-98 ZX-6R 97-98 FZR600 (less 10K miles) How would you genrally rate them in terms of build quality and reliability? What would you consider a fair price? Thanks Tuan From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 21 18:45:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0LNjBV07289 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 18:45:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from firewall.dcc-racing.org (cable.dcc-racing.org [68.34.52.32]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id g0LNj5w21460; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 18:45:05 -0500 From: laura granato To: matthew patton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: roadracing school MARRC Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 18:45:04 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <20020121213314.91517.qmail@web20105.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20020121213314.91517.qmail@web20105.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0201211845040T.09566@firewall.dcc-racing.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Monday 21 January 2002 16:33, matthew patton wrote: Rodger Lyle gave me a lot of grief for it > because just a couple weeks prior I had spent all day > running around Summit and should have amassed enough > experience not to be brain-dead. Target fixation has nothing to do with brain dead. Ask expert racers and I'm sure that they'll tell you they target fixate, they just have the experience to break away from it when they realize that is what they are doing. > >Again, HP doesn't matter during the > first couple seasons... You can even make an argument that horsepower isn't as important as rider skill-period. I've seen better riders on less hp bikes beat faster hp bikes ridden by a not so good rider. If you have a great rider and great hp, that's the best thing you could want, but no matter how much hp you have, turns are the most important part of the track and no amount of hp is going to make it any better through those. > I haven't seen VIR yet but I would say Summit is hard > to beat considering how local it is and the track > layout is fairly simple. > actually, summit is a good track, but VIR is a great track. Summit is very bumpy compared to VIR, it's much more narrow and has distractions (such as pavement patches). Yes, VIR is more technical, but you learn a lot more and it is well worth the drive. VIR is a racer's best wet dream...sorry...but it's the best way to describe it. Laura From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 21 23:44:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from stmpy-3.cais.net (stmpy-3.cais.net [205.252.14.73]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0M4iVV11639 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 23:44:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from micron (36.dynamic.cais.com [207.226.56.36]) by stmpy-3.cais.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id g0M4iTw27733 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 23:44:29 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <004801c1a2ff$5e9ea520$de14b1cd@micron> From: "mobacc" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Re: Riding Suits Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 23:43:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Not quite sure of the totality of conditions and their priority on your plate, but what you've said below rings bells that sound like lycra diving undergarments. Have wore them for years under drysuits that still smell like Cherry Blossoms. As a long shot you might want to consult a local dive shop (perhaps The Dive Shop, Nutley & Lee Hwy 703 698 7220). Bill S. / DC '99 VN750 --> water resistant as painted Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 11:46:46 -0500 (EST) From: hcaldwell X-Sender: hcaldwell@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Riding suits? I'm looking to get a two piece synthetic riding suit. One of the features I would like is a removable liner similar to what leather pants have (not a cold weather liner). I would like waterproof riding pants that I can wear without jeans but have a removable liner so I can wash the part that is against my skin. Any ideas? Thanks HughC From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 21 23:45:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0M4jtV11707 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 23:45:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from firewall.dcc-racing.org (cable.dcc-racing.org [68.34.52.32]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id g0M4jrw21952; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 23:45:53 -0500 From: Brian Roach Reply-To: roach@XXXXXX To: matthew patton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: roadracing school MARRC Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 23:45:52 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <20020121213314.91517.qmail@web20105.mail.yahoo.com> <0201211845040T.09566@firewall.dcc-racing.org> In-Reply-To: <0201211845040T.09566@firewall.dcc-racing.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02012123455202.12023@firewall.dcc-racing.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Monday 21 January 2002 18:45, laura granato wrote: > Target fixation has nothing to do with brain dead. Ask expert racers and > I'm sure that they'll tell you they target fixate, they just have the > experience to break away from it when they realize that is what they are > doing. Screaming at yourself inside your helmet helps. It often provides that extra half second you need to avoid riding off the track at a high rate of speed. :) -Roach From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 22 08:15:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r09.mx.aol.com (imo-r09.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.105]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0MDFGV19312 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 08:15:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from PenguinBiker@XXXXXX by imo-r09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.25.) id 2.d4.11e7e998 (3860) for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 08:14:47 -0500 (EST) From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 08:14:46 EST Subject: Re: roadracing school MARRC To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 1/21/2002 6:47:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, lgranato@XXXXXX writes: > You can even make an argument that horsepower isn't as important as rider > skill-period. Once upon a time while working as a mechanic I was talking to a squid who wanted to buy more power. I asked "Do you want to go faster?" "Yes!" "Take a high performance riding school, it is cheaper and will accomplish more." He gave me a dirty look and left. OK by me the last thing that guy needed was more power. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European is now necessary {and I still like it.}) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 22 08:41:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from femail35.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail35.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.254.60.25]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0MDfVV19604 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 08:41:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from cc478204a ([68.55.169.236]) by femail35.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20020122134114.EKVR10932.femail35.sdc1.sfba.home.com@cc478204a> for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 05:41:14 -0800 Message-ID: <00a301c1a34a$b3f882c0$eca93744@elictc01.md.comcast.net> From: "Richard Sperry" To: Subject: Riding Suits? Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 08:42:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 I have a Joe Rocket Ballistic suit. On a trip into Canada with Justin Herb, and Rob we had to ride in the rain, (cold rain too, about 40 deg.) I also rode home from a bike night at Carpools in a freeking downpour. In Canada, the suit was water proof. Riding home from carpools, it would have been had I remembered to zip the fly on the pants. Oops JR stuff might get a lot of flak, but it has been very good to me. Rich From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 22 09:49:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web20108.mail.yahoo.com (web20108.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.45]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g0MEngV20745 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 09:49:43 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020122144941.81815.qmail@web20108.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.205.6.30] by web20108.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 06:49:41 PST Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 06:49:41 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: warped rotor mounts? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I have 2 sets of wheels for my '95 cb750. Stock rotors are 1-piece solids. I figured I had a badly warped rotor so spent the bucks on an EBC full-float rotor like I did on the other set of wheels. Unfortunately I still get a serious amount of brake pulsing, enough to even feel it kick back on the brake lever. I had cleaned all rotor mounting bosses but is it possible to have a wheel that has a bad surface? Is there a way to precisely measure the 'surface height' and grind/adjust as needed? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 22 09:59:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from cgds1.osc.uscg.mil (cgds1.osc.uscg.mil [152.121.49.10]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0MExkV20943 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 09:59:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from hqex.comdt.uscg.mil by CGDS1.osc.uscg.mil with ESMTP; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 10:00:13 -0500 Received: by hqex.comdt.uscg.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 09:59:23 -0500 Message-Id: From: "Bruhl, George LT" To: "'bernescut@XXXXXX'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: CBR 9 (Whatever) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 09:58:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I was out at Morton's BMW in Spotsylvania last week and they received a CBR trade in. I believe they are letting it sell below MSRP. www.mortonsbmw.com look under the USED BIKES tab. From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 22 10:13:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from relay1.softcomca.com (relay.softcomca.com [168.144.1.67] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0MFDSV21182 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 10:13:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from m2w066 ([168.144.108.66]) by relay1.softcomca.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.3779); Tue, 22 Jan 2002 10:13:26 -0500 X-Originating-IP: 206.20.132.104 X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ Subject: RE: need a bike Sender: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 10:13:21 -0500 To: "tuan.diep@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: JMail 3.7.0 by Dimac (www.dimac.net) Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Jan 2002 15:13:26.0908 (UTC) FILETIME=[5787BBC0:01C1A357] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-Printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g0MFDUV21183 Tuan, I guess the first question to ask is: What do you want the bike for? Commuting? Just cruising around? Weekend riding carving the twisties? Track days? All of the above? Also, how much do you want to spend? FZR600 is the oldest of the bunch. And there's basically no difference between a '97-98 and a '93 (just color and graphics, mechanicals are all the same). I happen to own a '93 FZR600 that is basically a track bike with lights. Race-Tech'ed front end. Custom fork brace. Fox rear shock. Ride height jacked up. Stock motor but with a race pipe. TZ tailpiece makes it look more "modern" than the stock boxy tail. Paid $3K for it (on eBay). Kind of a "poor man's" R6 because the riding position and feel is very similar, and it definitely handles! Used FZR600s are plentiful and cheap. And so are parts. But it's an old design that dates back to the late 80s (and looks it), although a properly set up FZR600 with a competent rider can certainly hang with more modern 600s in the twisty stuff. Where you'll notice the difference is on the straights. A stock FZR600 puts out ~75hp compared to 90-100hp for a GSXR or R6. Just doesn't have the same grunt. One good thing is that FZRs are pretty light (sub-400 pounds claimed dry weight) which makes it pretty flickable. And for the model years of the other bikes you've listed, it's definitely a lighter bike. You ought to be able to find plenty of FZR600s with relatively low mileage for $3-$3.5K give or take. Personally, I wouldn't pay a premium just to have a newer model year. I've seen people asking "ridiculous" money for newer FZRs. For the prices they're asking, you're better off buying a used GSXR, CBR, etc. But if you're willing to shop around, you can buy a good used FZR for pretty cheap, spend money on upgrading the suspension, and end up spending less than what you would for a CBR, etc. and have a bike that will handle just as well, if not better. If you really want a "project bike," find a used FZR400 and stuff an FZR600 motor in it! You will have yourself a ~350-pound bike with ~75hp that will surprise a lot of other bikes and have them looking at your taillight in the twisties! I don't think you can go too far wrong with your other choices. Honda CBR600 is about the best "all around" sportbike there is. And Honda's reputation for build quality and reliability precedes itself. Probably the least "hassle free" of the three. The Kwak has always been known for its strong motor. BTW, both the Honda and the Kwak will have better stock suspensions (i.e., better quality and adjustability) than an FZR. And aesthetically, they're both probably nicer looking bikes. They will also cost you more, but I can't help you with what a "fair price" for one would be. Suggest you scour http://www.ebay.com and http://www.cycletrader.com to get an idea for prices. Hope this helps. Regards, Chuck Original Message: ----------------- From: Diep, Tuan (Washington) Tuan.Diep@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 17:57:16 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: need a bike I'm looking for a used 600cc sportsbike. I'm considering: 96-97 CBR600 96-98 ZX-6R 97-98 FZR600 (less 10K miles) How would you genrally rate them in terms of build quality and reliability? What would you consider a fair price? Thanks Tuan -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 22 10:23:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from cgds1.osc.uscg.mil (cgds1.osc.uscg.mil [152.121.49.10]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0MFNwV21375 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 10:23:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from hqex.comdt.uscg.mil by CGDS1.osc.uscg.mil with ESMTP; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 10:23:53 -0500 Received: by hqex.comdt.uscg.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 10:23:04 -0500 Message-Id: From: "Bruhl, George LT" To: "'PenguinBiker@XXXXXX'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Blinded by the light Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 10:22:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >In a message dated 1/14/2002 10:57:44 AM Eastern Standard Time, mike@XXXXXX writes: > The sun is _so_bright_ > that it overwhelms any shadow created by an extra bright set of lights. >I think you are missing the point of the argument. With the sun behind an >object the object is rendered a silhouette. All a car sees is a dark object >against blinding white. It is not that your headlight creates shadows, its >that it cuts a hole in your silhouette (essentially your shadow.) Stand with >the sun at your back and look at your shadow. Now shine a bright flashlight >at the center of your shadow, the center of your shadow disappears, less >shadow, less visibility. The sun is extremely bright, many times brighter than a mere flashlight. So bright in fact that, drivers are often observed * squinting * shielding their eyes behind sun-visors * lowering the bill of their ball caps * using a hand to "visor" the intensity of the light * looking at the road directly in front of their vehicle - rather than down the road (where you would be) * Reaching for sunglasses and a host of other activities to relieve the stress on their optics If the silhouette theory had merit, what would be the explanation of drivers "blinded" by the sun (setting or rising) * rear ending stopped vehicles in their traffic lane * taking left hand turns in front of Potato Trucks (a true story) * taking left hand turns in front of any type of vehicle I use the Potato Truck because I saw it happen once.... the driver was killed instantly and his car resembled litter on the side of the road. By the way, the truck was not speeding. From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 22 10:39:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f265.law11.hotmail.com [64.4.16.140]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0MFdFV21684 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 10:39:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 07:10:11 -0800 Received: from 63.75.33.2 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 15:10:11 GMT X-Originating-IP: [63.75.33.2] From: "Pejman Taei" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: '95 Honda CBR 600F3 for SALE: Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 10:10:11 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Jan 2002 15:10:11.0944 (UTC) FILETIME=[E3529680:01C1A356] Hi everyone. I am selling my 1995 Honda CBR 600 F3. It has 15K, and is in great condition, it runs great, and looks great. I am asking $3800 neg. Let me know if you are interested, or contact me at 301-412-6246, it's definitly worth taking a look at. Thanks, Pejman Taei. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 22 10:42:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail.ncifcrf.gov (mail.NCIFCRF.GOV [129.43.100.100]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0MFgoV21818 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 10:42:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from S040091 (mitko1.NCIFCRF.GOV [129.43.47.173]) by mail.ncifcrf.gov (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0MFgma07517; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 10:42:48 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <4.2.2.20020122094733.00c9b100@mail.ncifcrf.gov> X-Sender: wilsonl@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 09:56:41 -0500 To: matthew patton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Lori Wilson Subject: Re: Riding schools In-Reply-To: <20020121215352.32205.qmail@web20107.mail.yahoo.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed >come to Reg Pridmore's CLASS. It's the most >'streetified' of all the classes out there. It's >actually billed as a "high-speed riding school" and >not a racing school and the subject matter is not the >same.. I have a few friends that took this class and have nothing but praise for it..in fact one of my friends took the class on his Vulcan- I believe CLASS is the only school that allows any type of street legal bike- cruiser, sport, sport-touring, etc. I've also heard that Jason Pridmores STAR school is good too- >Another one to consider is the new one at Road >Atlanta. The school was profiled in the latest issue >of Motorcycle Consumer News (not the Brit site) and >then Speedvision did a special on it this Sat for the >BikeWeek program. Was it Freddie Spencer's school? >Can't remember. They provide a GSXR600 or SV650 for >you to ride and they take all levels. I've heard good things about this school- run by Kevin Schwantz: http://www.roadatlanta.com/suzuki.html I'd LOVE to take F. Spencers school- but it is geared towards racing- and its in Vegas :) I haven't taken any riding/racing schools yet, but I've signed up for a 2 day racing school at motocanada - its looks like a great school and the people that run it have been wonderful From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 22 11:00:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from pmesmtp02.wcom.com (pmesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.20.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0MG0UV22198 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 11:00:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42257) id <0GQC00801KGA83@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 16:00:10 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp02.wcomnet.com ([166.38.62.37]) by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42257) with ESMTP id <0GQC006M1KGA01@XXXXXX>; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 16:00:10 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp02.wcomnet.com by pmismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42259) with SMTP id <0GQC00401KG6DB@XXXXXX>; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 16:00:09 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.49]) by pmismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42259) with ESMTP id <0GQC003A5KFV9G@XXXXXX>; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 15:59:55 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 10:59:54 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: warped rotor mounts? To: matthew patton Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3C4D8C7A.A50BF7B8@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <20020122144941.81815.qmail@web20108.mail.yahoo.com> matthew patton wrote: > > I have 2 sets of wheels for my '95 cb750. Stock rotors > are 1-piece solids. I figured I had a badly warped > rotor so spent the bucks on an EBC full-float rotor > like I did on the other set of wheels. Unfortunately I > still get a serious amount of brake pulsing, enough to > even feel it kick back on the brake lever. You only have the pulsing problem with the one wheel, right? > I had cleaned all rotor mounting bosses but is it > possible to have a wheel that has a bad surface? Is > there a way to precisely measure the 'surface height' > and grind/adjust as needed? Might be worth the time and money to buy a dial runout gauge. Mount the wheel and rotor on the bike, and use the guage to find out where the high/low spots are on the rotor. You might be able to get away with using metal shims (beer can, old feeler guage feelers) between the rotor mounts and the rotor. If it's really bad, maybe get a washer of the right thickness, and sandwich it in there. I actually had a warped rotor once (not an unheard of problem for the Concours) that I was able to straighten out with a wooden drift and a couple whacks of a rubber mallet. I don't know if it was luck or skill, but I've put about 40,000 miles on that rotor since the "Percussive Maintenance" session with no ill effects. :) Good luck. Hork -- MSL! SMG! (Chatty Moron TM's) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth AWSHIDT #322 - Completed. 99 Highway Signs! '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 22 11:13:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from athena.nswc.navy.mil (athena.nswc.navy.mil [198.91.70.29]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0MGDOV22406 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 11:13:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.nswc.navy.mil (relay.nswc.navy.mil [128.38.1.41]) by athena.nswc.navy.mil (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id g0MGDNi02787 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 11:13:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.nswc.navy.mil (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay.nswc.navy.mil (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA01102 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 11:13:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from dlvais01.nswc.navy.mil (dlvais01.nswc.navy.mil [128.38.1.20]) by relay.nswc.navy.mil (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA00979 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 11:13:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from dlvais01.nswc.navy.mil (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dlvais01.nswc.navy.mil with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id CRW4SJT3; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 11:13:06 -0500 Received: from 128.38.204.28 by dlvais01.nswc.navy.mil (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Tue, 22 Jan 2002 11:13:06 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) Received: by nswcdlvaex01.nswc.navy.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 11:13:06 -0500 Message-ID: From: Gaske David G DLVA To: "Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: F/S Pit Bull Stand Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 11:13:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" For Sale - Front Pit Bull Stand - 3 weeks old. Lifts by bottom of forks. $140 retail, since it is essentially brand new I am taking a whopping $10 off, so $130. From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 22 12:18:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r02.mx.aol.com (imo-r02.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.98]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0MHIkV23525 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 12:18:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from SKeener2@XXXXXX by imo-r02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.25.) id p.64.19346d60 (3967); Tue, 22 Jan 2002 12:18:24 -0500 (EST) From: SKeener2@XXXXXX Message-ID: <64.19346d60.297ef8e0@aol.com> Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 12:18:24 EST Subject: Re: roadracing school MARRC To: lgranato@XXXXXX, pattonme@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_64.19346d60.297ef8e0_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 --part1_64.19346d60.297ef8e0_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/21/02 6:47:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, lgranato@XXXXXX writes: > actually, summit is a good track, but VIR is a great track. Summit is very > bumpy compared to VIR, it's much more narrow and has distractions (such as > pavement patches). Yes, VIR is more technical, but you learn a lot more > and > it is well worth the drive. VIR is a racer's best wet dream...sorry...but > it's the best way to describe it. I dunno about that Laura. I think I saw her the last practice day I was there....Uh....did I saw that out loud? :-)) --part1_64.19346d60.297ef8e0_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/21/02 6:47:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, lgranato@XXXXXX writes:


actually, summit is a good track, but VIR is a great track.  Summit is very
bumpy compared to VIR, it's much more narrow and has distractions (such as
pavement patches).  Yes, VIR is more technical, but you learn a lot more and
it is well worth the drive.  VIR is a racer's best wet dream...sorry...but
it's the best way to describe it.


I dunno about that Laura.  I think I saw her the last practice day I was there....Uh....did I saw that out loud?  :-)) --part1_64.19346d60.297ef8e0_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 22 14:41:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from relay3.softcomca.com ([168.144.1.70]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0MJfGV25996 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 14:41:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from m2w061 ([168.144.108.61]) by relay3.softcomca.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.2966); Tue, 22 Jan 2002 14:41:20 -0500 X-Originating-IP: 206.20.132.104 X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ Subject: Informal winter bike night at CarPool Sender: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 14:41:20 -0500 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: JMail 3.7.0 by Dimac (www.dimac.net) Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Jan 2002 19:41:21.0038 (UTC) FILETIME=[C47552E0:01C1A37C] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-Printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g0MJfKV25997 Saturday, February 16th at CarPool in Arlington, VA 6pm to ??? Just an excuse to get together with fellow motorcyclists. Informal. Relaxed. No reserved motorcycle parking (for those hardy enough to show up on two wheels). If we can get them to hook up a VCR, we'll bring race and hooligan tapes. Maybe some folks can bring the latest Brit m/c mags to oogle. Play pool. Shoot darts. Whatever. IMPORTANT - CarPool is packed on weekend nights. It shouldn't be too crowded early on (6-7pm), but it will probably pick up starting around 8pm and there will likely be a line out the door by 9pm. Also, don't forget CarPool's policy of 21 and older only and bring a valid ID. Chuck and Mark -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 22 21:06:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r04.mx.aol.com (imo-r04.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.100]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0N267V02652 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 21:06:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from PenguinBiker@XXXXXX by imo-r04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.25.) id 2.10e.b27f96a (3997) for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 21:05:45 -0500 (EST) From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <10e.b27f96a.297f7478@aol.com> Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 21:05:44 EST Subject: Re: Blinded by the light To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 1/22/2002 10:25:08 AM Eastern Standard Time, GBruhl@XXXXXX writes: > The sun is extremely bright, many times brighter than a mere flashlight. So > bright in fact that, drivers are often observed Your point states the obvious, that drivers (Of all kinds) are often blinded by the sun. But again it misses my point. The only thing the person looking into the sun is likely to see is bright light, that will always be true. The only thing they _may_ see is your dark silhouette hidden in the light. It does _no_ good to cut a hole in that silhouette by running another light in the "middle" of it. (I wish I could draw on this thing, I think I could illustrate it easily.) John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European is now necessary {and I still like it.}) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 22 21:20:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0N2KdV02863 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 21:20:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from firewall.dcc-racing.org (cable.dcc-racing.org [68.34.52.32]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id g0N2KWw24373; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 21:20:32 -0500 From: laura granato To: SKeener2@XXXXXX, lgranato@XXXXXX, pattonme@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: roadracing school MARRC Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 21:20:31 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" References: <64.19346d60.297ef8e0@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <64.19346d60.297ef8e0@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02012221203103.17314@firewall.dcc-racing.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Tuesday 22 January 2002 12:18, SKeener2@XXXXXX wrote: > > In a message dated 1/21/02 6:47:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, > > lgranato@XXXXXX writes: > > actually, summit is a good track, but VIR is a great track. Summit is > > very bumpy compared to VIR, it's much more narrow and has distractions > > (such as pavement patches). Yes, VIR is more technical, but you learn a > > lot more and > > it is well worth the drive. VIR is a racer's best wet > > dream...sorry...but it's the best way to describe it. > > I dunno about that Laura. I think I saw her the last practice day I was > there....Uh....did I saw that out loud? :-)) I should have known that you would respond to that comment! :-) You are excluded from my above statement because you are just a guy that loves all theladies, so creating a wet dream for you isn't too hard. LMAO. LAG From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 23 02:06:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp014.mail.yahoo.com (smtp014.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.58]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g0N76hV07266 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 02:06:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from pcp813235pcs.nrockv01.md.comcast.net (HELO cp93425a) (68.49.65.85) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jan 2002 07:06:41 -0000 From: "rdrdr" To: "dc-cycles" Subject: RE: Blinded by the light Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 02:06:22 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <10e.b27f96a.297f7478@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 OK - I've kept this to myself long enough... It IS true that sometimes having a light could actually detract from the ability of someone else to see you. A very bright background (like bright skies, the sun, etc.) could put you in such a position. In W.W.II they actually experimented (I'm not sure if this was ever operational) with camouflaging some aircraft by covering the bottom side of the wings with many small lights making them HARDER to see against a bright sky. If there's interest I can try and look this up further (and find my long lost source). Niv BMW F650ST _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 23 07:51:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0NCpYV12612 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 07:51:34 -0500 (EST) X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVb0kgYxvviMm3C6IEJm0ku96tWwwZN/k0K2eizm/d1YU46en87RlFrB9oilrwQGJoQ= Received: from [204.245.128.170] (helo=jstrang) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with asmtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16TMsH-0002CZ-00; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 07:51:33 -0500 Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: "rdrdr" , "dc-cycles" Subject: RE: Blinded by the light Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 07:50:27 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal I was going to mention this...but the conversation didn't seem to need interrupting. They also tried to match the brightness of ships to the brightness of the horizon. This removed the silhouette of the dark ship against the background sky. There was a documentary on History or Discover Channel some time ago that had some pretty cool footage, including cycling the lights on and having the ship "disappear". --jon the geek > -----Original Message----- > From: rdrdr [mailto:rydin@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 2:06 AM > To: dc-cycles > Subject: RE: Blinded by the light > > > OK - I've kept this to myself long enough... > > It IS true that sometimes having a light could actually detract from the > ability of someone else to see you. A very bright background (like bright > skies, the sun, etc.) could put you in such a position. > In W.W.II they actually experimented (I'm not sure if this was ever > operational) with camouflaging some aircraft by covering the > bottom side of > the wings with many small lights making them HARDER to see > against a bright > sky. > If there's interest I can try and look this up further (and find my long > lost source). > > > Niv > BMW F650ST > > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 23 08:37:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web11104.mail.yahoo.com (web11104.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.151]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g0NDbaV13422 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 08:37:36 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020123133735.4195.qmail@web11104.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.117.237.234] by web11104.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 05:37:35 PST Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 05:37:35 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Weaver Subject: RE: Blinded by the light To: rdrdr , dc-cycles In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii There were also some more recent experiments (by the British IIRC), that experimented with banks of lights attached to the sides of tanks. I'm pretty sure it was never put into use, but it's interesting nonetheless. Chris --- rdrdr wrote: > In W.W.II they actually experimented (I'm not sure > if this was ever > operational) with camouflaging some aircraft by > covering the bottom side of > the wings with many small lights making them HARDER > to see against a bright > sky. > Niv > BMW F650ST __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 23 09:06:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m03.mx.aol.com (imo-m03.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.6]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0NE6eV13910 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 09:06:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from PenguinBiker@XXXXXX by imo-m03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.25.) id 2.68.1a38047f (4255) for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 09:06:16 -0500 (EST) From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <68.1a38047f.29801d57@aol.com> Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 09:06:15 EST Subject: Re: Blinded by the light To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 1/23/2002 2:07:52 AM Eastern Standard Time, rydin@XXXXXX writes: > In W.W.II they actually experimented (I'm not sure if this was ever > operational) with camouflaging some aircraft by covering the bottom side of > the wings with many small lights making them HARDER to see against a bright > sky. Ask any fish in the sea. (OK free swimming fish) Dark on the top _White or silver on the bottom._ John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European is now necessary {and I still like it.}) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 23 09:11:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r05.mx.aol.com (imo-r05.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.101]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0NEBLV13935 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 09:11:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from SKeener2@XXXXXX by imo-r05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.25.) id p.173.285226b (4588); Wed, 23 Jan 2002 09:11:07 -0500 (EST) From: SKeener2@XXXXXX Message-ID: <173.285226b.29801e7a@aol.com> Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 09:11:06 EST Subject: Re: roadracing school MARRC To: lgranato@XXXXXX, pattonme@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_173.285226b.29801e7a_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10556 --part1_173.285226b.29801e7a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/22/02 9:20:53 PM Eastern Standard Time, lgranato@XXXXXX writes: > I should have known that you would respond to that comment! :-) You are > excluded from my above statement because you are just a guy that loves all > Hehehehe...I'm sure you had a point in there somewhere. :-)) --part1_173.285226b.29801e7a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/22/02 9:20:53 PM Eastern Standard Time, lgranato@XXXXXX writes:

I should have known that you would respond to that comment! :-)   You are
excluded from my above statement because you are just a guy that loves all
theladies, so creating a wet dream for you isn't too hard. LMAO.


Hehehehe...I'm sure you had a point in there somewhere.  :-)) --part1_173.285226b.29801e7a_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 23 09:13:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web11102.mail.yahoo.com (web11102.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.149]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g0NEDsV14082 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 09:13:54 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020123141341.93962.qmail@web11102.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.117.237.234] by web11102.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 06:13:41 PST Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 06:13:41 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: Blinded by the light To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <68.1a38047f.29801d57@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii How do you explain the tropical Clownfish? :^) The rest of the fish are all so tripped out on psychadelic drugs so it blends right in? :^D Chris --- PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > Ask any fish in the sea. (OK free swimming fish) > Dark on the top _White or > silver on the bottom._ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 23 09:16:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail.toward.com ([204.194.180.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0NEGCV14165 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 09:16:13 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 09:15:07 -0500 Message-Id: <200201230915.AA3211760@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: dc-cycles Subject: RE: Blinded by the light X-Mailer: I notice that today's ships and planes do not use lights to attempt camouflage - evidently it either isn't effective in enough situations, or its cost isn't worth its value. In my experience, a headlight helps quite a lot at being seen. This was accepted 20 years ago by motorcyclists, and only recently is being accepted by car drivers (daytime running lights). Me, I use a headlight modulator when I'm concerned about being seen, and it helps quite a bit. Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Chris Weaver Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 05:37:35 -0800 (PST) >There were also some more recent experiments (by the >British IIRC), that experimented with banks of lights >attached to the sides of tanks. I'm pretty sure it was >never put into use, but it's interesting nonetheless. > >Chris > >--- rdrdr wrote: >> In W.W.II they actually experimented (I'm not sure >> if this was ever >> operational) with camouflaging some aircraft by >> covering the bottom side of >> the wings with many small lights making them HARDER >> to see against a bright >> sky. >> Niv >> BMW F650ST > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! >http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ > From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 23 09:22:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from uxtpaprx1.pwcglobal.com (uxtpaprx1.pwcglobal.com [12.26.159.121]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0NEMWV14359 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 09:22:33 -0500 (EST) Received: by uxtpaprx1.pwcglobal.com; id JAA00136; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 09:19:04 -0500 (EST) From: Received: from unknown(10.26.104.81) by uxtpaprx1.nam.pwcinternal.com via smap (V5.5) id xmaa28389; Wed, 23 Jan 02 09:18:17 -0500 Received: from us-amsmta005.nam.pwcinternal.com (us-amsmta005.us.pw.com) by uxtpabuf1.nam.pwcinternal.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3932) with ESMTP id <0GQE00JQMAH6R7@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 09:19:54 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 09:21:26 -0500 Subject: Re: Blinded by the light To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on US-AMSMTA005/US/INTL(Release 5.0.6 |December 14, 2000) at 01/23/2002 09:21:30 AM Not since the DEA crackdowns. Seriously, they spend their lives living in very colorful coral reefs. Nature is very highly developed in this area! --chris Chris Weaver on 01/23/2002 09:13:41 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: Subject: Re: Blinded by the light How do you explain the tropical Clownfish? :^) The rest of the fish are all so tripped out on psychadelic drugs so it blends right in? :^D Chris --- PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > Ask any fish in the sea. (OK free swimming fish) > Dark on the top _White or > silver on the bottom._ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. 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From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 23 09:37:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from gecko.troutman.org ([209.120.170.19]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0NEbfE00369 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 09:37:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from TROUTMAN.wheatintl.com (client99.re.wheatintl.com [209.120.170.99]) by gecko.troutman.org (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g0NEbKv04311 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 09:37:20 -0500 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020123093527.01507a30@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 09:36:38 -0500 To: dc-cycles From: Troutman Subject: RE: Blinded by the light / loud pipes In-Reply-To: <200201230915.AA3211760@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 09:15 AM 1/23/2002, Chris Norloff wrote: >Me, I use a headlight modulator when I'm concerned about being seen, and >it helps quite a bit. I am curious how many people on list that use headlight modulators and don't mind annoying drivers would also run loud pipes for the same reason? ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 23 09:55:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from gecko.troutman.org ([209.120.170.19]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0NEbfE00369 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 09:37:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from TROUTMAN.wheatintl.com (client99.re.wheatintl.com [209.120.170.99]) by gecko.troutman.org (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g0NEbKv04311 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 09:37:20 -0500 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020123093527.01507a30@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 09:36:38 -0500 To: dc-cycles From: Troutman Subject: RE: Blinded by the light / loud pipes In-Reply-To: <200201230915.AA3211760@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 09:15 AM 1/23/2002, Chris Norloff wrote: >Me, I use a headlight modulator when I'm concerned about being seen, and >it helps quite a bit. I am curious how many people on list that use headlight modulators and don't mind annoying drivers would also run loud pipes for the same reason? ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 23 10:07:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0NF75i00659 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 10:07:05 -0500 (EST) X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVZSAjsJ/sX0S2MVYvwd3DnvuvLsBrsacW03gQmXgBfNHAg/xBjo6MFsoblMgYMsABA= Received: from [204.245.128.170] (helo=jstrang) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with asmtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16TOzQ-00056S-00; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 10:07:04 -0500 Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: Cc: "DC Cycles" Subject: cycleshell report Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 10:05:58 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Ah, yes, Chuck, I do owe you a report. Background: Chuck was looking at www.cycleshell.com as a non-garage method of m/c storage. I ended up ordering one, it's now in use. Some notes: Report: Cycleshell was delivered as promised. It looks and operates exactly as advertised. Since I'm garage deficient, it's great protection for my bike. Notes: -They recommended the intermediate "cruiser" size for my Bandit, it fits nicely. -As you would expect, it is a bit heavy for one person to move the folded shell around. I'd recommend having two people to get it positioned or to move it. -No assembly required with the exception of optional tie-down post thingies (to hold the cycleshell down when the bike isn't inside) and optional wedge to mark proper position of front tire. -Construction seems to be very good, but a pesky mouse in my backyard chewed several small holes through the fabric while it was retracted. Next time, call exterminator before ordering cycleshell (fark that live and let live sh!t). -The metal plate in the middle is not wide enough for my centerstand, so I'm on the sidestand. I'm going to see if I can unscew that plate and turn it sideways. -The shell does require a solid surface. I suppose it would work on grass, but my roommate and I put in a tiled brick patio. Bottom line: I like it a bunch. Mice suck. Buy a shell if you are storing in a parking lot, etc. Kill all mice. --jon > -----Chuck wrote: > > Jon, > > And now for something completely different... > > How's the Cycleshell doing? > > Chuck > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 23 10:09:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from rhino.spottedcat.com (IDENT:root@[63.91.14.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0NF9Vi00683 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 10:09:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (hcaldwell@localhost) by rhino.spottedcat.com (8.11.6/8.8.7) with ESMTP id g0NF9Ku14633 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 10:09:20 -0500 Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 10:09:20 -0500 (EST) From: hcaldwell X-Sender: hcaldwell@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Blinded by the light In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I don't know about the lights under the wings but aircraft did use lights to camouflage themselves when attacking surfaced submarines. While riding with the your headlights/brights/flashers/etc... are probably effective most of the time I'm opposed to it in principal. How long will it be before we start having to attach orange flags to our motorcycles and pushing them across intersections. Spank the Nanny state, Hugh On Wed, 23 Jan 2002, rdrdr wrote: > OK - I've kept this to myself long enough... > > It IS true that sometimes having a light could actually detract from the > ability of someone else to see you. A very bright background (like bright > skies, the sun, etc.) could put you in such a position. > In W.W.II they actually experimented (I'm not sure if this was ever > operational) with camouflaging some aircraft by covering the bottom side of > the wings with many small lights making them HARDER to see against a bright > sky. > If there's interest I can try and look this up further (and find my long > lost source). From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 23 10:10:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from uxtpaprx1.pwcglobal.com (uxtpaprx1.pwcglobal.com [12.26.159.121]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0NEMWV14359 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 09:22:33 -0500 (EST) Received: by uxtpaprx1.pwcglobal.com; id JAA00136; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 09:19:04 -0500 (EST) From: Received: from unknown(10.26.104.81) by uxtpaprx1.nam.pwcinternal.com via smap (V5.5) id xmaa28389; Wed, 23 Jan 02 09:18:17 -0500 Received: from us-amsmta005.nam.pwcinternal.com (us-amsmta005.us.pw.com) by uxtpabuf1.nam.pwcinternal.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3932) with ESMTP id <0GQE00JQMAH6R7@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 09:19:54 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 09:21:26 -0500 Subject: Re: Blinded by the light To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on US-AMSMTA005/US/INTL(Release 5.0.6 |December 14, 2000) at 01/23/2002 09:21:30 AM Not since the DEA crackdowns. Seriously, they spend their lives living in very colorful coral reefs. Nature is very highly developed in this area! --chris Chris Weaver on 01/23/2002 09:13:41 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: Subject: Re: Blinded by the light How do you explain the tropical Clownfish? :^) The rest of the fish are all so tripped out on psychadelic drugs so it blends right in? :^D Chris --- PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > Ask any fish in the sea. (OK free swimming fish) > Dark on the top _White or > silver on the bottom._ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. 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From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 23 10:14:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0NFEgi00786 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 10:14:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-113-106.s360.tnt8.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.113.106] helo=palladio1) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16TP6j-0000TA-00; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 10:14:38 -0500 Message-ID: <01c201c1a421$61ed4420$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Troutman" Cc: "dc-cycles list" References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020123093527.01507a30@mail.troutman.org> Subject: Re: Blinded by the light / loud pipes Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 10:18:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Or as Fred Rau said in Motorcycle Consumer News, "if loud pipes save lives, why not ride around with your horn button taped down?" Well, uh, make that a loud aftermarket horn. Paul in DC < > At 09:15 AM 1/23/2002, Chris Norloff wrote: > >Me, I use a headlight modulator when I'm concerned about being seen, and > >it helps quite a bit. > > I am curious how many people on list that use headlight modulators and > don't mind annoying drivers would also run loud pipes for the same reason? From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 23 10:17:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0NFHgi00876 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 10:17:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from firewall.dcc-racing.org (cable.dcc-racing.org [68.34.52.32]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id g0NFHew25820 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 10:17:41 -0500 From: Brian Roach Reply-To: roach@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Blinded by the light / loud pipes Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 10:17:40 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020123093527.01507a30@mail.troutman.org> In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020123093527.01507a30@mail.troutman.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02012310174000.17767@firewall.dcc-racing.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Wednesday 23 January 2002 09:36, you wrote: > I am curious how many people on list that use headlight modulators and > don't mind annoying drivers would also run loud pipes for the same reason? ::raises hand:: Anything I can do to draw their attention away from the cell phone affixed to their ear (or whatever else it is they are doing instead of actually paying attention to the road) is all good in my book. I love my Forza pipes :) - Roach From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 23 10:24:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0NFOAi00980 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 10:24:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from firewall.dcc-racing.org (cable.dcc-racing.org [68.34.52.32]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id g0NFO9w25843 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 10:24:09 -0500 From: Brian Roach Reply-To: roach@XXXXXX To: "dc-cycles list" Subject: Re: Blinded by the light / loud pipes Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 10:24:08 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020123093527.01507a30@mail.troutman.org> <01c201c1a421$61ed4420$bb82fea9@palladio1> In-Reply-To: <01c201c1a421$61ed4420$bb82fea9@palladio1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02012310240801.17767@firewall.dcc-racing.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Wednesday 23 January 2002 10:18, Paul Wilson wrote: > Or as Fred Rau said in Motorcycle Consumer News, "if loud pipes save lives, > why not ride around with your horn button taped down?" Well, uh, make that > a loud aftermarket horn. If my horn didn't make a sound that annoyed the hell out of me and would cause its untimely demise... I would. If it were legal (oops.. if it was a law the cops would ignore, since over 82db is illegal), I think the squids would have something there with the stobe light and neon thing... - Roach From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 23 10:25:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from rhino.spottedcat.com (IDENT:root@[63.91.14.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0NFPki00994 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 10:25:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (hcaldwell@localhost) by rhino.spottedcat.com (8.11.6/8.8.7) with ESMTP id g0NFPZv14686 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 10:25:35 -0500 Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 10:25:35 -0500 (EST) From: hcaldwell X-Sender: hcaldwell@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Blinded by the light In-Reply-To: <200201230915.AA3211760@mail.toward.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 23 Jan 2002, Chris Norloff wrote: > I notice that today's ships and planes do not use lights to attempt camouflage - evidently it either isn't effective in enough situations, or its cost isn't worth its value. > What's the point in trying to camouflage your plane from visual detection when you're gonna be launch missles at it from umpteen miles away. Same goes for ships. > > Me, I use a headlight modulator when I'm concerned about being seen, and it helps quite a bit. > I wonder how much the use of various devices to make you more visible adversly affects the visibility of those that don't use them. Hugh From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 23 10:36:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web13307.mail.yahoo.com (web13307.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.43]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g0NFaDi01239 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 10:36:13 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020123153612.88003.qmail@web13307.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [159.40.33.240] by web13307.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 07:36:12 PST Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 07:36:12 -0800 (PST) From: stephen cutchins Subject: RE: Blinded by the light / loud pipes To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020123093527.01507a30@mail.troutman.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I can't stand modulators, they annoy everyone in the hopes that the "brain dead" drivers, as you call them, will see you. I think they fall into the same category as the "loud pipes save lives" bit, which is a crock. Loud pipes sound cool, that's why people like them. If you really want to avoid accidents then ride defensively, if you happen to see a driver who is driving "questionably" then honk your horn, flash your lights, or better yet just brake or turn to get out of their way, I think this is better than annoying every driver on the road with loud pipes or flashing headlights. --- Troutman wrote: > At 09:15 AM 1/23/2002, Chris Norloff wrote: > >Me, I use a headlight modulator when I'm concerned > about being seen, and > >it helps quite a bit. > > I am curious how many people on list that use > headlight modulators and > don't mind annoying drivers would also run loud > pipes for the same reason? > > > ___________________________________________ > > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 23 10:43:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail.toward.com ([204.194.180.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0NFgxi01336 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 10:42:59 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 10:42:57 -0500 Message-Id: <200201231042.AA54067780@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: dc-cycles , Troutman Subject: RE: Blinded by the light / loud pipes X-Mailer: Good question. I use the headlight modulator like I cover my brakes - when I see a need for it. (Like two days ago when a flagman waved me around construction equipment, then the OTHER flagman waved cars to come at me. Once I put on the modulator the oncoming car saw me and stopped. The flagman remained clueless.) I also use the modulator when: 1. going through busy intersections with oncoming left-turners inching out 2. riding out of the sun 3. riding on a 2-lane road with oncoming traffic (which might pull out to pass) 4. riding in an open lane with backed-up traffic in the other lane (when cars might pull into my lane to get around the blockage). I've never been a fan of loud pipes, believing that their advantage in sound is outweighed by the enemies they make, and the fact that the sound can't be turned off when not needed (thus making even more enemies). Also, in several of the situations above I wouldn't want to be on the throttle, which is when loud pipes are most effective. Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Troutman Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 09:36:38 -0500 >At 09:15 AM 1/23/2002, Chris Norloff wrote: >>Me, I use a headlight modulator when I'm concerned about being seen, and >>it helps quite a bit. > >I am curious how many people on list that use headlight modulators and >don't mind annoying drivers would also run loud pipes for the same reason? > > >___________________________________________ > > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 23 10:43:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0NFhui01359 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 10:43:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-113-106.s360.tnt8.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.113.106] helo=palladio1) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16TPZ4-0005r5-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 10:43:55 -0500 Message-ID: <020501c1a425$79482140$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc-cycles list" References: <20020123153612.88003.qmail@web13307.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Blinded by the light / loud pipes Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 10:48:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ----- Original Message ----- From: "stephen cutchins" If you really want to avoid accidents then > ride defensively, if you happen to see a driver who is > driving "questionably" then honk your horn, flash your > lights, or better yet just brake or turn to get out of > their way, I think this is better than annoying every > driver on the road with loud pipes or flashing > headlights. > That's a good point, if I were to run my hi-beams all the time, I couldn't flip them on to "command attention" when I need them. Be careful with the hi-beam flashing. It can be interpreted as a signal to "go ahead." If you turn on your hi-beams make sure the meaning in unambiguous. Paul in DC From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 23 10:45:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0NFjvi01452 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 10:45:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from firewall.dcc-racing.org (cable.dcc-racing.org [68.34.52.32]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id g0NFjuw25898 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 10:45:57 -0500 From: Brian Roach Reply-To: roach@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Blinded by the light / loud pipes Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 10:45:56 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <20020123153612.88003.qmail@web13307.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20020123153612.88003.qmail@web13307.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02012310455602.17767@firewall.dcc-racing.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Wednesday 23 January 2002 10:36, stephen cutchins wrote: > I think they fall into the same > category as the "loud pipes save lives" bit, which is > a crock. Loud pipes sound cool, that's why people > like them. Agreed on the why people like them part... I could care less if they "save lives" ... I like hearing an engine, not a sewing machine. However, be it a bike or car that has them, I often hear loud pipes approaching while driving. I don't know if this is biased because of my interest in performance vehicles, but I definatly can hear a performance exhaust and take note of it before I see the vehicle in question. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 23 10:50:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m10.mx.aol.com (imo-m10.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.165]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0NFoui01603 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 10:50:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from SKeener2@XXXXXX by imo-m10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.25.) id m.17a.28c2646 (4413); Wed, 23 Jan 2002 10:50:29 -0500 (EST) From: SKeener2@XXXXXX Message-ID: <17a.28c2646.298035c4@aol.com> Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 10:50:28 EST Subject: Re: Blinded by the light / loud pipes To: roach@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_17a.28c2646.298035c4_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 --part1_17a.28c2646.298035c4_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/23/02 10:47:26 AM Eastern Standard Time, roach@XXXXXX writes: > Agreed on the why people like them part... I could care less if they "save > lives" ... I like hearing an engine, not a sewing machine. Duuuuude....but I ride a bitching Singer!!! :) Keener (In the daily wiseass mood.) --part1_17a.28c2646.298035c4_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/23/02 10:47:26 AM Eastern Standard Time, roach@XXXXXX writes:

Agreed on the why people like them part... I could care less if they "save
lives" ... I like hearing an engine, not a sewing machine.


Duuuuude....but I ride a bitching Singer!!!  :)

Keener (In the daily wiseass mood.)  --part1_17a.28c2646.298035c4_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 23 10:51:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail.toward.com ([204.194.180.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0NFpji01613 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 10:51:45 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 10:51:44 -0500 Message-Id: <200201231051.AA25231906@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: , hcaldwell Subject: RE: Blinded by the light X-Mailer: This is the gist of the argument against Daytime Running Lights on cars - that cycles are now less visible. The visibility/conspicuity of a vehicle hasn't changed because another vehicle has increased conspicuity. Now if drivers learn to expect ALL vehicles to be like that (headlights on, for example) then that would cause a problem. I think we're a long, long way from that. I think it's in MC's best interest to make car drivers think you're an oncoming car. Drivers are more likely to play chicken with a bike than with a car. Chris Norloff (I think Daytime Running Lights are good, because it keeps idiot car drivers from driving in fog, rain, dusk, or dark with their headlights turned off). ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: hcaldwell >On Wed, 23 Jan 2002, Chris Norloff wrote: >> Me, I use a headlight modulator when I'm concerned about being seen, and it helps quite a bit. >> > I wonder how much the use of various devices to make you more >visible adversly affects the visibility of those that don't use them. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 23 10:54:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net (pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.122]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0NFsgi01653 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 10:54:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from washdc3-ar2-184-082.washdc3.dsl.gtei.net ([4.3.184.82] helo=llarson.xhost.org) by pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16TPjG-0005fl-00; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 07:54:27 -0800 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020123105149.00b770f0@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 10:55:28 -0500 To: stephen cutchins , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Larry Larson Subject: RE: Blinded by the light / loud pipes In-Reply-To: <20020123153612.88003.qmail@web13307.mail.yahoo.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020123093527.01507a30@mail.troutman.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:36 AM 1/23/2002, stephen cutchins wrote: >... I think they fall into the same >category as the "loud pipes save lives" bit, which is >a crock. Loud pipes sound cool, that's why people >like them. That is true, but my own experience is that they also seem to get noticed. When I'm riding the GS500 or the Magna, I have frequently had drivers too busy yakking to passengers or on cell phones just pull right over on top of me. On the Aprilia with the very loud, sharp CF cans, that has never happened once. -- Larry From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 23 10:55:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f12.pav1.hotmail.com [64.4.31.12]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0NFtNi01668 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 10:55:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 07:43:29 -0800 Received: from 204.193.250.90 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 15:43:28 GMT X-Originating-IP: [204.193.250.90] From: "Doug Allis" To: hcaldwell@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Riding suits? Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 15:43:28 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jan 2002 15:43:29.0486 (UTC) FILETIME=[B45D0EE0:01C1A424] I usually wear a FirstGear Kilmanjaro jacket and pants around town and on long trips. I think this outfit is about the most waterproof and versatile you can get. Yes they are designed for street clothes underneath, but this can mean just briefs and t-shirt. Unfortunately when it gets really hot (85 and above) this gear is too hot for a faired bike. So thats when I break out my mesh Joe Rocket Phoenix jacket and pants. When I'm waearing this outfit I carry a rain suit, but usually I don't care if it rains. >From: hcaldwell >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Riding suits? >Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 13:29:56 -0500 (EST) > > > I'm not interested in the Motoports because you have to >use a lining to make them waterproof. I figure if I have to stop >to put a lining in I might as well get a rainsuit. Also since I >don't want to wear pants underneat my riding suit having to remove >the suit to put in the liner could be especially problematic. > I wouldn't mind an aerosticth,belstaff, or firstgear suit >but as far as I can tell all of these are meant to be worn over >street clothes. What I guess I'm looking for is the synthetic equivalent >of a leather suit that's waterproof. Heck, if there are any waterproof >leather suits I would even get one of those. > I'm planning on going on a long trip and will be wearing this >suit almost daily so it's very important that it be easy to clean. > >Thanks for the tips, >HughC > > >On Mon, 21 Jan 2002, Justin Lemrow wrote: > > > Hugh, > > > > motoport makes some pants that are pretty affodable. (www.motoport.com) > > good protection, good price, waterproof > > > > other favorites are the areostitch 2 piece (though not exactly water >proof) > > (www.riderwarehouse.com) good protection, ok price, not waterpoof > > and Dianese pants (www.motorace.com), great protection, very waterproof, > > not cheap > > > > Justin > > > > 1999 VFR 800 > > Northern VA/Washington DC > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 23 10:58:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net (pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.122]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0NFwVi01759 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 10:58:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from washdc3-ar2-184-082.washdc3.dsl.gtei.net ([4.3.184.82] helo=llarson.xhost.org) by pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16TPnC-000350-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 07:58:30 -0800 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020123105559.00b770f0@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: pltrgyst@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 10:59:32 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Larry Larson Subject: Mittens for winter riding? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Mittens marketed specifically for motorcycles and for snowmobiles have been around for a long time (in the 70's there was a product called "Hippo Hands" -- are they still around?) They are much warmer than gloves, but it would seem impossible to cover the brakes or clutch wearing them. Does anyone have any good or bad experience wearing mittens while riding? Regards, -- Larry From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 23 11:00:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0NG0wi01858 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 11:00:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from firewall.dcc-racing.org (cable.dcc-racing.org [68.34.52.32]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id g0NG0vw25957 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 11:00:58 -0500 From: Brian Roach Reply-To: roach@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Blinded by the light Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 11:00:56 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <200201231051.AA25231906@mail.toward.com> In-Reply-To: <200201231051.AA25231906@mail.toward.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02012311005603.17767@firewall.dcc-racing.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Wednesday 23 January 2002 10:51, you wrote: > (I think Daytime Running Lights are good, because it keeps idiot car > drivers from driving in fog, rain, dusk, or dark with their headlights > turned off). Agreed... except for the newest phenomenon I've witnessed ... drivers with ONLY the daytime running lights on at night. I've only seen it twice so far... but I guarantee it becomes more prevalent as more cars are equiped with this feature. As man keeps trying to make things more idiot proof, the universe just churns out better idiots. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 23 11:01:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp015.mail.yahoo.com (smtp015.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.59]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g0NG1ri01875 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 11:01:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from washdc3-ar6-4-63-009-023.vz.dsl.gtei.net (HELO ltanner) (4.63.9.23) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jan 2002 16:01:51 -0000 From: "LindaT." To: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: RE: Blinded by the light / loud pipes Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 10:35:01 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020123093527.01507a30@mail.troutman.org> I run a headlight modulator on my BMW (which sounds like a sewing machine). A headlight modulator may annoy some drivers and loud pipes may annoy all drivers, but the purpose of the headlight modulator is to increase visibility not annoy. And it probably only annoys some of the drivers directly in front of the bike, not everyone within a block of the bike with the loud pipes. Loud pipes don't work for increasing 'visibility' in one of the places where they are most needed - swiftly moving, multi-lane traffic as the sound is more directed behind than around. And the fact that most cars are either: a) pretty well sound-proofed or b) running a mega-watt stereo where the driver wouldn't hear Armageddon. LindaT. Custom TankBags Springfield, VA (suburb of our nation's capital) AMA IBA HSTA BMWBMW 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy 95 F3 Purple Haze (69K miles and counting...) 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing http://www.geocities.com/ljtanner Troutman asked: At 09:15 AM 1/23/2002, Chris Norloff wrote: >Me, I use a headlight modulator when I'm concerned about being seen, and >it helps quite a bit. I am curious how many people on list that use headlight modulators and don't mind annoying drivers would also run loud pipes for the same reason? _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 23 11:52:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dgesmtp02.wcom.com (dgesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.16.17]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0NGqFi02981 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 11:52:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42261) id <0GQE00A01HHETQ@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 16:51:14 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp04.wcomnet.com ([166.38.62.39]) by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42261) with ESMTP id <0GQE00A9XHHE30@XXXXXX>; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 16:51:14 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp04.wcomnet.com by pmismtp04.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with SMTP id <0GQE00401HGGZ4@XXXXXX>; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 16:51:13 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.49]) by pmismtp04.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with ESMTP id <0GQE0046ZHG5EU@XXXXXX>; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 16:50:29 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 11:50:26 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Blinded by the light To: cnorloff@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, hcaldwell Message-id: <3C4EE9D2.640BF056@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <200201231051.AA25231906@mail.toward.com> Chris Norloff wrote: > > (I think Daytime Running Lights are good, because it keeps idiot car drivers from driving in fog, rain, dusk, or dark with their headlights turned off). It's actually against the law to use your wipers without having your headlights on here in Virginia. At first, I chafed because they had to MAKE it a law...then I realized how many cars STILL run without headlights during rainy day conditions... Now if they'd only enforce it... :) Hork -- MSL! SMG! (Chatty Moron TM's) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth AWSHIDT #322 - Completed. 99 Highway Signs! '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 23 12:03:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from pmesmtp01.wcom.com (pmesmtp01.wcom.com [199.249.20.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0NH2xi03150 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 12:02:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #47837) id <0GQE00901HZZ10@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 17:02:23 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp02.wcomnet.com ([166.38.62.37]) by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #47837) with ESMTP id <0GQE008A3HZZBZ@XXXXXX>; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 17:02:23 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp02.wcomnet.com by pmismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42259) with SMTP id <0GQE00H01HZWGY@XXXXXX>; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 17:02:23 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.49]) by pmismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42259) with ESMTP id <0GQE00FFMHZII1@XXXXXX>; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 17:02:07 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 12:02:04 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Mittens for winter riding? To: Larry Larson Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3C4EEC8C.1DB37FA5@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <4.3.2.7.2.20020123105559.00b770f0@pop.earthlink.net> Larry Larson wrote: > > Mittens marketed specifically for motorcycles and for snowmobiles have been > around for a long time (in the 70's there was a product called "Hippo > Hands" -- are they still around?) They are much warmer than gloves, but it > would seem impossible to cover the brakes or clutch wearing them. The Hippo Hands actually enclose the bar ends, so you can cover the brake and clutch levers (and reach the turn signals, horn, etc.) as long as you don't actually have to *SEE* what you are doing. I'm suprised they haven't made them out of clear plastic yet. Horkster -- MSL! SMG! (Chatty Moron TM's) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth AWSHIDT #322 - Completed. 99 Highway Signs! '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 23 12:10:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f61.pav1.hotmail.com [64.4.31.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0NHA3i03268 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 12:10:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 08:58:48 -0800 Received: from 204.193.250.90 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 16:58:48 GMT X-Originating-IP: [204.193.250.90] From: "Doug Allis" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Federal Emplyee Motorcycle parking Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 16:58:48 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jan 2002 16:58:48.0918 (UTC) FILETIME=[3A27A760:01C1A42F] MC parking for federal employees is hit or miss. It boils down to a combination of facilities, personalities, parking managers and security issues. Many agencies that have off street parking for the highly ranked, also allow MCs to park where the cars can't. My agency (Commerce) has lots of MC parking in its HQ building (14th and Const NW) for its employees because there is lots of space where the cars can't go, the head of facilities management owns a Harley and a senior security manager owns a Gold Wing. So as you might expect, the security gates are MC friendly, MC parking is free, and lots of folks ride (up to 50 in nice weather). There is also lots of parking available for Commerce Census employees at Suitland. So find out who your on-site building and/or security manager is, get to know the guards by name and I bet that if there is any parking at all, you can get a few spaces set aside for motorcycles. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 23 12:31:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from medusa.veiinternet.com ([207.244.8.40]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0NHVai03713 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 12:31:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from (unverified [207.244.8.40]) by medusa.veiinternet.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.1.202) with ESMTP id for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 12:31:29 -0500 Message-ID: <50e8a97e3bca4d3aa2b750fd2a9c4cae.kirk@vei.net> X-EM-APIVersion: 2, 0, 0, 7 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) From: "Kirk Roy" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Mittens for winter riding? Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 12:31:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g0NHVci03714 Larry Larson wrote: > Mittens marketed specifically for motorcycles and for snowmobiles have been > around for a long time (in the 70's there was a product called "Hippo > Hands" -- are they still around?) They are much warmer than gloves, but it > would seem impossible to cover the brakes or clutch wearing them. Does > anyone have any good or bad experience wearing mittens while riding? I wear a modern variant of the hippo hands and can send a pic to you so you can see what they look like. I do, in fact, wear summer weight gloves year round under them. Like Dale said they cover the entire control assembly. So long as you know where the controls are (duh!) you'll be fine with them. I like 'em. Kirk From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 23 12:33:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0NHXZi03741 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 12:33:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from 209-122-212-214.s468.apx1k.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.212.214] helo=palladio1) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16TRHC-0003bR-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 12:33:34 -0500 Message-ID: <00b501c1a434$c688e700$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc-cycles list" Subject: STAR school Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 12:36:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Jason Pridmore's STAR school has available dates at VIR (Virginia International Raceway) this year and I'm thinking of signing up. I took Reg Pridmore's school last year, also at VIR. I'd appreciate any comments, comparisons, on or off list. Thanks. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 23 12:36:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web11104.mail.yahoo.com (web11104.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.151]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g0NHa5i03867 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 12:36:05 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020123173604.37541.qmail@web11104.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.117.237.234] by web11104.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 09:36:04 PST Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 09:36:04 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: Mittens for winter riding? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20020123105559.00b770f0@pop.earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Maybe you can find some of those mitten covers that go over the whole clip-on/handlebar assembly on each side. You leave them on the bike, and they have openings for you to slip your hands inside. I hear they work very well. Never tried them, myself. Chris --- Larry Larson wrote: > Mittens marketed specifically for motorcycles and > for snowmobiles have been > around for a long time (in the 70's there was a > product called "Hippo > Hands" -- are they still around?) They are much > warmer than gloves, but it > would seem impossible to cover the brakes or clutch > wearing them. Does > anyone have any good or bad experience wearing > mittens while riding? > > Regards, > -- Larry > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 23 14:13:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web14603.mail.yahoo.com (web14603.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.83]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g0NJDLi05455 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 14:13:21 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020123191316.50718.qmail@web14603.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [168.103.160.240] by web14603.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 11:13:16 PST Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 11:13:16 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Mittens for winter riding? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <50e8a97e3bca4d3aa2b750fd2a9c4cae.kirk@vei.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii i wear a north face mitten over my regular-season leather gloves, and am quite happy with the wind protection and corresponding warmth level. they don't interfere with my ability to cover the levers, but they do affect my ability to change tracks on the mp3 player. ah, sacrifices.... -- tg --- Kirk Roy wrote: > Larry Larson wrote: > > Mittens marketed specifically for motorcycles and for > snowmobiles have been > > around for a long time (in the 70's there was a product > called "Hippo > > Hands" -- are they still around?) They are much warmer > than gloves, but it > > would seem impossible to cover the brakes or clutch > wearing them. Does > > anyone have any good or bad experience wearing mittens > while riding? > > I wear a modern variant of the hippo hands and can send a > pic to you so you can see what they look like. I do, in > fact, wear summer weight gloves year round under them. > Like Dale said they cover the entire control assembly. So > long as you know where the controls are (duh!) you'll be > fine with them. I like 'em. > > Kirk __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 23 14:29:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0NJTMi05688 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 14:29:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-244.patriot.net [209.249.180.244]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0NJTJi00376; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 14:29:19 -0500 Message-ID: <3C4F0EA8.B5363E2C@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 14:27:37 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Larry Larson CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Mittens for winter riding? References: <4.3.2.7.2.20020123105559.00b770f0@pop.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Back in the days and nights when the M/C was my basic vehicle, I used a snowmobile suit and snowmobile gloves to keep toasty. The SN gloves were mittin style with a trigger finger, but you could slide the finger ointo the mitten part to warm it up when the windchill got way below zero. My dern kid ran off with the gloves but I still have the suit. Bill Larry Larson wrote: > Mittens marketed specifically for motorcycles and for snowmobiles have been > around for a long time (in the 70's there was a product called "Hippo > Hands" -- are they still around?) They are much warmer than gloves, but it > would seem impossible to cover the brakes or clutch wearing them. Does > anyone have any good or bad experience wearing mittens while riding? > > Regards, > -- Larry From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 23 15:13:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f50.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.50]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0NKD8i06448 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 15:13:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 12:01:45 -0800 Received: from 63.251.87.214 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 20:01:45 GMT X-Originating-IP: [63.251.87.214] From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: bhuson@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Mittens for winter riding? Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 15:01:45 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jan 2002 20:01:45.0964 (UTC) FILETIME=[C8FBF2C0:01C1A448] I have a pair of 3-finger mittens I got some years ago at one of the local bike shops. Sounds like the same thing. They're leather and insulated with some sort of fiberfill. They keep my hands quite warm. They work pretty well with the controls, but I can't 2-finger the brake or clutch when wearing them. Overall, that hasn't been an issue when it's been cold enough to justify wearing them. About the only problem I've had with them is you can't flip someone off when they don't hear your loud pipes or see your bright, flashing lights... Perry >From: "William J. Huson" >To: Larry Larson >CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Mittens for winter riding? >Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 14:27:37 -0500 >Back in the days and nights when the M/C was my basic vehicle, I used a >snowmobile suit and snowmobile gloves to keep toasty. The SN gloves were >mittin style with a trigger finger, but you could slide the finger ointo >the >mitten part to warm it up when the windchill got way below zero. My dern >kid >ran off with the gloves but I still have the suit. > >Bill > _________________________________________________________________ Join the worldM-^Rs largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 23 15:22:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0NKMHi06605 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 15:22:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-115-253.s507.tnt9.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.115.253] helo=palladio1) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16TTuM-0000KE-00; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 15:22:11 -0500 Message-ID: <006c01c1a44c$4c307b40$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: , References: Subject: Re: Mittens for winter riding? Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 15:26:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 This month's Bike (the Brit-mag) had a winter glove review. Included in the review were some heavy two-digit mittens (fingers paired) that they ranked highly. I have it at home. If anyone is interested, hit me off-list and I'll dig out the info for you. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F ----- Original Message ----- From: "Perry Coleman" I have a pair of 3-finger mittens I got some years ago at one of the local > bike shops. Sounds like the same thing. They're leather and insulated with > some sort of fiberfill. They keep my hands quite warm. They work pretty well > with the controls, but I can't 2-finger the brake or clutch when wearing > them. Overall, that hasn't been an issue when it's been cold enough to > justify wearing them. > > About the only problem I've had with them is you can't flip someone off when > they don't hear your loud pipes or see your bright, flashing lights... > > Perry From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 23 15:46:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from rhino.spottedcat.com (IDENT:root@[63.91.14.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0NKk8i07098 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 15:46:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (hcaldwell@localhost) by rhino.spottedcat.com (8.11.6/8.8.7) with ESMTP id g0NKjvp15568 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 15:45:57 -0500 Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 15:45:57 -0500 (EST) From: hcaldwell X-Sender: hcaldwell@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: dirt riding shools? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I'm new to off road riding and was wondering if anyone could recommend any dirt riding schools. A school that provides the bikes would be ideal. Thanks, Hugh From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 23 15:59:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0NKxwi07289 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 15:59:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from firewall.dcc-racing.org (cable.dcc-racing.org [68.34.52.32]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id g0NKxuw26555 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 15:59:57 -0500 From: Brian Roach Reply-To: roach@XXXXXX To: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: Re: Blinded by the light / loud pipes Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 15:59:55 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02012315595505.17767@firewall.dcc-racing.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Wednesday 23 January 2002 10:35, LindaT. wrote: > Loud pipes don't work for increasing 'visibility' in one > of the places where they are most needed - swiftly moving, multi-lane > traffic as the sound is more directed behind than around. An exhaust is not uni-directional. This is the big argument the anti-pipes crowd uses, and it is false. Only the highest frequencies are truely uni-directional. The bass portion of the exhaust sound is completely omni-directional, with mid-range having more strength in one direction than the other. When driving on the beltway, I can *clearly* hear an approaching cruiser, sportbike, or honda civic with coffee-can tipped muffler approaching from behind, especially when they're within 40 feet or so (which is what is really important). > And the fact > that most cars are either: a) pretty well sound-proofed or b) running a > mega-watt stereo where the driver wouldn't hear Armageddon. Sound-proofing stops some mid to high frequency sound, but bass carries right through, which is why b) is true (the bass carries through the car's soundproofing to your ears). Since this is the omni-directional portion of your exhaust sound, it's a good match up for it being heard. Again... I don't rant and rave about "loud pipes saving lives", I just like how they sound. But the fact is that you CAN hear them while driving in a car. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 23 16:33:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0NLX8i07886 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 16:33:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from firewall.dcc-racing.org (cable.dcc-racing.org [68.34.52.32]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id g0NLX2w26643; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 16:33:02 -0500 From: Brian Roach Reply-To: roach@XXXXXX To: hcaldwell , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dirt riding shools? Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 16:33:01 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02012316330107.17767@firewall.dcc-racing.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Wednesday 23 January 2002 15:45, hcaldwell wrote: > I'm new to off road riding and was wondering > if anyone could recommend any dirt riding schools. A > school that provides the bikes would be ideal. Hugh - I took the "American Supercamp" and learned a LOT about riding a dirtbike. It's geared toward racing (flat-tracking and roadracing), but having never really known anything about riding a dirtbike, I learned a ton. It also really helps you get over not being fully in control of a motorcycle, and I've noticed improvements in my roadracing/street riding as well. Now that I'm riding my dirtbike out here in BFE DE (My friend lives on a 350 acre farm and the fields are down for the winter, woo hoo!!) I've found that I understand how to control it, corner, etc, and it all came from the school. It's $500 for two days, bikes, gear, and food included. The website is http://www.americansupercamp.com - Roach From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 23 18:00:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web20107.mail.yahoo.com (web20107.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.44]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g0NN0bi09331 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 18:00:37 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020123230033.87229.qmail@web20107.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.205.6.30] by web20107.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 15:00:33 PST Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 15:00:33 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: Blinded by the light / loud pipes To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <02012315595505.17767@firewall.dcc-racing.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Roach wrote: > When driving on the beltway, I can *clearly* hear an > approaching cruiser, > sportbike, or honda civic with coffee-can tipped > muffler approaching from > behind, especially when they're within 40 feet or so > (which is what is really > important). ok, 40 ft, that's less than 13 meters, or about 9 bike lengths or maybe 5 car lengths. woop-de-doo! My horn can do just as well (actually much better) and it won't mix in with the booming bass coming from a stereo. Plus, a horn being actively used means the MCist himself is alert to the dangerous situation and not just thrumming his way down the motorway. I don't dispute the value of aural input in the mind of the "about to change lanes without looking" driver. But look below why it's really not relevant. On the BIG negative side of the ledger, are all those drivers who get to 'enjoy' his exhuast for the next 4 HUNDRED feet as he pulls away from them. This latter causes much hate toward the straight-pipe crowd be they 2 wheeled or four. The point is that while yes the lower portion of the sound spectrum may be omni-directional to a larger extent, the vast majority of it is *still* headed aft. Place yourself at a 4-way intersection standing in the middle. Now listen to that approaching bike, you'll hear him 40ft (or I'll be generous 70 ft) out. If he's traveling 30mph, how many seconds of warning does that give you? Now compare that to how long after he's past you, you can still hear him. The people who need to hear the on-coming biker are the ones facing him, not the guys in the same lane or neighboring lanes be they beside or behind, yet those are the ones who have to listen to the obnoxious blatting for seemingly forever. Granted my cb750 wasn't loud from the factory (it was rather silent, actually) and things have improved significantly with the Yosh system with street can. But twice now in 2 days I've had bozos in the next lane (and just barely ahead of me) try to come into my lane. Even had a guy in a large pickup try it who was abreast of me. My motor was singing along at 4k RPM in all cases which is right where the sound starts to get nice and throaty. They arguably had PLENTY of warning, because we were cruising along at roughly the same speed. If this 'people in front of you can hear you' theory was really true, then they should have never pulled a boner like they did and get greeted with much angry tooting on my horn. Accident statistics for unexpected lane-sharing between an MC and another vehicle are not even close when compared to numbers of left-turners heading off on-coming bikes. So even if there was some merit to loud cans, they don't even begin to make a dent in the real-world problem. Let me put another nail in the loud-can coffin. Since as you said the bass is omni-directional, how on earth is the left-turner supposed to know from which direction this bass sound is coming? He can't can he? It could be a guy pulling up 90 degrees to him, could be behind him, could be somebody on-coming. Now, let's consider a horn. You have some of the same confusion but still a lot less and furthermore horns normally belong to on-coming traffic anyway (or the jerk behind you who thinks you and he could have gotten thru that hole in traffic). Since they have a higher pitch they also tend to cut thru a lot of the ambient traffic noise, to boot. Aside from the purely stupid and careless drivers out there, when people going the same direction as you pull into your lane it's because they didn't do a head-check and/or your bike positioning was such that you were in a blind spot. I would chalk up my recent close-encounters to this latter cause. In all three cases my positioning wasn't good because I was in the process of passing them, just not at a significant delta and the weather/visibility sucked all around. Indeed I would surmise that almost all of these lane-encroachment cases were due to bad lane-positioning by the motorcyclist himself. (oooh, I bet that statement is going to be popular.) Even if you're in a visible spot and your exhuast is loud enough to project a car length or two ahead of you, the MCist still has no business putting himself in a position to overlap another vehicle for any significant amount of time. When I ride, I work to make sure that if I am overlapping somebody to get out of that situation as expediciously as possible. Even if the random numb-nuts does get in your lane, if you are not in the crunch-zone then you're not in any real danger. And later you can bleep your horn at the moron as much as you like. Loud cans (especially the really obnoxiously so) might save a life here or there but by far, motorists who have their head in the game, who use their horns and practice good road manners save their own lives. From what I've observed, the guys with the noisy exhuasts drive like fools, anyway. Mind you I like the sound of a Duc with Tomi cans, or even my Nighthawk with it's Yosh, or my Trident with the dual Microns, but I don't live to piss off the other people on the road with me. And I damn well don't ride like the volume of my exhuast was going to matter a whit to saving my hairy chiny-chin-chin. If you want to get a feel for how exhaust sound DOESN"T propogate forward very far, you and a buddy get on your bikes. You take the lead by 20 ft and see how loud his bike sounds at typical revs. Then drop back and follow him by the same distance and you'll quickly find out that the noise levels will be a lot different. My friend has a Duc monster with Tomi's and I can hear the basso-profundo booming when he's pulling up close behind. In a racing situation it would be great because you'd know he was right on your ass. But the lead-time to cage drivers is still about zero. Following him though I can hear his exhuast (over mine, no less) at 4 bike lengths. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 23 18:35:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f220.pav1.hotmail.com [64.4.31.220]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0NNZDi09909 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 18:35:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 15:35:07 -0800 Received: from 204.193.250.90 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 23:35:06 GMT X-Originating-IP: [204.193.250.90] From: "Doug Allis" To: roach@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Blinded by the light / loud pipes Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 23:35:06 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jan 2002 23:35:07.0381 (UTC) FILETIME=[97392A50:01C1A466] You are simply wrong about the directionality of motorcycle exhaust sound. 1. It is louder behind the bike: Do an experiment. Stand behind a stationary bike 50 feet and listen. Then go stand 50 feet in front of it. Try again with a bike at speed. Follow it. Rev it up. Under both situations, the pipes are quieter in front of the bike. Confirm it with a cheap Radio Shack decible meter. Why is this? The exhaust opening is like the opening of a speaker, it is open to the rear... all the loudest sound is made to the rear, not the front. You don't go and stand behind the speakers at a rock concert for the loudest sound, you stand in front!!! Oh, there is sound coming off the engine itself, but so what? We are not doing anything to the engine, only the exhaust. 2. We can't perceive the direction of the sound that radiates to the front of the bike... the low frequencies. Regarding the extreemly low frequencies that supposedly can be heard to the front because they are multi-directional: Sure you can hear them, but you likely can't tell precisly where they are coming from. See, you've misundestood a critical reason why low frequency sounds are called multi-directional. It's not just that low frequencies radiate in all directions, it's also that humans are no good at telling what direction they come from. This is why you can put a sub-woofer in several different locations in a home theater and get decent results, and why you think the low frequencies come from up front, even if that sub-woofer is on the side of the room. Your brain has no idea where the sound comes from. Obviously this is not very helpful to the motorcyclist trying to get someone to not only hear the bike, but know where it is! In fact, sound engineers talk about how easily we are directionally confused or fooled by low frequencies. So can we make the bike more detectable by making it louder? Maybe a little, but not really where it counts, which is in front of the bike in a vehicle moving toward you: The mid range and high frequencies "shout" louder towards the rear with the louder exhaust. The lower frequencies that do radiate toward the front don't do a very good job of telling drivers where you are. But do we make the bike much more annoying to everyone around us with the louder pipes? Do I really even have to ask? Oh, you may like the sound, but most non-bikers hate it. And that means that they are going to hate bikes and bikers. And they are going to try to restrict your "right" to ride whenever and however they can. Because you COULD get to where you are going without annoying other people. You could ride in a car, Take the bus, or whatever. When they have had enough of the loud bikes they will legislate bikes out of your neighborhood, city, town and state. Don't believe me? Look at what is happening NOW to Jet-Ski's.... communities and lakes are banning them outright, and the bans are holding up too many courts. >From: Brian Roach >Reply-To: roach@XXXXXX >To: "DC-CYCLES" >Subject: Re: Blinded by the light / loud pipes >Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 15:59:55 -0500 > >On Wednesday 23 January 2002 10:35, LindaT. wrote: > > > Loud pipes don't work for increasing 'visibility' in one > > of the places where they are most needed - swiftly moving, multi-lane > > traffic as the sound is more directed behind than around. > >An exhaust is not uni-directional. This is the big argument the anti-pipes >crowd uses, and it is false. Only the highest frequencies are truely >uni-directional. The bass portion of the exhaust sound is completely >omni-directional, with mid-range having more strength in one direction than >the other. > >When driving on the beltway, I can *clearly* hear an approaching cruiser, >sportbike, or honda civic with coffee-can tipped muffler approaching from >behind, especially when they're within 40 feet or so (which is what is >really >important). > > > And the fact > > that most cars are either: a) pretty well sound-proofed or b) running a > > mega-watt stereo where the driver wouldn't hear Armageddon. > >Sound-proofing stops some mid to high frequency sound, but bass carries >right >through, which is why b) is true (the bass carries through the car's >soundproofing to your ears). Since this is the omni-directional portion of >your exhaust sound, it's a good match up for it being heard. > >Again... I don't rant and rave about "loud pipes saving lives", I just like >how they sound. But the fact is that you CAN hear them while driving in a >car. > >- Roach _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 23 18:54:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0NNsMi10149 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 18:54:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from firewall.dcc-racing.org (cable.dcc-racing.org [68.34.52.32]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id g0NNsKw26891 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 18:54:20 -0500 From: laura granato To: "dc cycles" Subject: Updating the Web Site Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 18:54:17 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02012318541708.17314@firewall.dcc-racing.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hey all! Since we have new member and a lot of outdated material, Chris and I have decided that in the next month or two we are going to give the DC Cycles Web Site a facelift. And, of course, we need your help. What do I need from you: 1. What sections should be enhanced? 2. What is missing that you would like to see? 3. Any ideas you might have What content do I need from you? 1. Rider bios-updates and new bios 2. Newbies-please send any questions that you have 3. Any articles that you have written about riding, or that you *will* write...ahem! 4. Any tips you have for new riders 5. Racers-send me your bios and a photo, if you have one 6. Any ride sheets you have Heck, send me anything you have! LOL. Thanks! Laura From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 23 19:03:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from gecko.troutman.org ([209.120.170.19]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0O031i10365 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 19:03:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from iguana.wheatintl.com (66-44-118-245.s245.tnt11.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com [66.44.118.245]) by gecko.troutman.org (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g0O02mv04912 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 19:02:49 -0500 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020123190039.03214ec0@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 19:02:41 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Blinded by the light / loud pipes In-Reply-To: <20020123230033.87229.qmail@web20107.mail.yahoo.com> References: <02012315595505.17767@firewall.dcc-racing.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 06:00 PM 1/23/2002, matthew patton wrote: >On the BIG negative side of the ledger, are all those >drivers who get to 'enjoy' his exhuast for the next 4 >HUNDRED feet as he pulls away from them. This latter >causes much hate toward the straight-pipe crowd be >they 2 wheeled or four. Yeah! I started the winter loud pipe thread! Woo Hoo! My intention was more to compare the annoying features of modulating headlights with that of loud pipes. My VFR has pretty loud pipes, but not on the scale of a Harley with straight pipes. I can control the volume pretty easily. I like the idea of using headlight modulators only when you are in a situation that requires them. That makes a lot of sense to me. Can someone rig a 'quite pipes' button for me? ;-) ______________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org It's lonely at the top, but you eat better From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 23 19:30:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from netgate.anent.com (netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0O0UJi10876 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 19:30:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from bruce (ipuser65.megapipe.net [63.86.180.65]) by netgate.anent.com (Build 101 8.9.3/NT-8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA02580 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 19:28:01 -0500 Message-ID: <001e01c1a46e$b11cd860$41b4563f@bruce> From: "Bruce Norton" To: "DC Cycles" References: <20020123230033.87229.qmail@web20107.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Blinded by the light / loud pipes Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 19:33:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 I actually read and agreed with your post up to this point. ----- Original Message ----- From: "matthew patton" > From what I've observed, the guys with the noisy > exhuasts drive like fools, anyway. Now who's stereotyping who? I think that's a pretty shitty thing to say to all your fellow riders on this list. I bet at least half the people on this list have aftermarket exhaust and you just insulted them. Bruce From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 23 19:58:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0O0wni11293 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 19:58:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from firewall.dcc-racing.org (cable.dcc-racing.org [68.34.52.32]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id g0O0wmw27044 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 19:58:49 -0500 From: Brian Roach Reply-To: roach@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Blinded by the light / loud pipes Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 19:58:48 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02012319584809.17767@firewall.dcc-racing.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Wednesday 23 January 2002 18:35, you wrote: > You are simply wrong about the directionality of motorcycle exhaust sound. > > 1. It is louder behind the bike: Do an experiment. Stand behind a > stationary bike 50 feet and listen. Then go stand 50 feet in front of it. > Try again with a bike at speed. Follow it. Rev it up. Under both > situations, the pipes are quieter in front of the bike. Confirm it with a > cheap Radio Shack decible meter. Why is this? The exhaust opening is like > the opening of a speaker, it is open to the rear... all the loudest sound > is made to the rear, not the front. You don't go and stand behind the > speakers at a rock concert for the loudest sound, you stand in front!!! Oh, > there is sound coming off the engine itself, but so what? We are not doing > anything to the engine, only the exhaust. A) Did I say it wasn't louder to the rear? Survey says.... No. In fact, I believe I noted that high-frequency was uni-directional, mid-range was stronger in one direction (the rear, in the case of an exhaust), and bass was omni-directional. Which part of this isn't correct? Are you trying to say that your bike cannot be heard as it approaches? Stealth-bike mode must be cool. B) You're right, I must have imagined hearing all those vehicles approaching from the rear before I saw them. I'm obviously quite loopy in the head to think I heard something with an origination db level of 82+ forty feet from me, regardless of the primary wave direction. And I guess I'm also odd for thinking "What's that sound? Where's it coming from?" when I hear something from an unknown direction. C) Thankfully the rice boys are putting loud exhausts on civics and integras en masse these days, so the ninnys have something else to complain about. Hell, out here in DE the *pickups* have straight pipes, makes the harleys seem tame. ::shrug:: - Roach From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 23 20:02:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0O12Yi11367 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 20:02:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from firewall.dcc-racing.org (cable.dcc-racing.org [68.34.52.32]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id g0O12Xw27059 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 20:02:33 -0500 From: Brian Roach Reply-To: roach@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Also... did I mention... Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 20:02:33 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0201232002330A.17767@firewall.dcc-racing.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit That I'm not part of the "loud pipes save lives" crowd? I'm not disputing the value (or lack therof) of loud pipes. I'm simply stating that you CAN hear them. Do they save lives? Probably not. I think you could actually kick the door of some of these brain-dead SUV and mini-tank drivers and it wouldn't even stir them from their stupor. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 23 23:29:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mta014.verizon.net (mta014pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.216]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0O4TMi14573 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 23:29:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from alauro ([151.200.42.23]) by mta014.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.02 201-253-122-122-102-20011128) with SMTP id <20020124042915.GMNB12223.mta014.verizon.net@alauro> for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 22:29:15 -0600 Message-ID: <000c01c1a491$0d6dd700$1602a8c0@bellatlantic.net> From: "Anita Lauro" To: References: <200201240000.g0O001D10291@dirty.meretrix.com> Subject: A blast from the past... Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 23:39:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Yup, Anita is still alive and kicking! :-) Well, I sure do see a lot of familiar names here! And, a loud pipes discussion as well.. not much has changed since I dropped off the list a few years back! :-) I still have my GPZ1100, but it will be sold this spring. After taking about 2 years off from riding, I wound up buying a 2002 BMW R1150R earlier this month. I went on a motorcycle tour of Southern Spain last October, and rode an R1150R for a week. It was so much more comfortable for me than the GPZ (my knees are too old for the GPZ these days) that I decided if I was going to really get back into riding, I needed to go with the BMW. So far I'm really enjoying it, although I've only been able to ride it a couple times. This weekend is sure sounding nice though. :-) Anyhow.. nice to see so many people I know still on the list.. and maybe we'll get to hook up for a ride sometime soon! Anita Lauro '02 BMW R1150R '00 Yamaha Blaster (for sale) '96 Kawasaki GPZ1100 (for sale) From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 24 01:06:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from femail46.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail46.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.254.60.40]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0O66Qi16108 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 01:06:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from vaio ([68.49.202.82]) by femail46.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20020124060625.ITEI25600.femail46.sdc1.sfba.home.com@vaio> for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 22:06:25 -0800 Message-ID: <00a101c1a49d$41407a90$6401a8c0@vaio> From: "James Reazor" To: References: <02012319584809.17767@firewall.dcc-racing.org> Subject: Re: Blinded by the light / loud pipes Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 01:03:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 > Hell, out here in DE the *pickups* have straight pipes, makes the harleys > seem tame. > True, in fact, almost every thing in DE with a V8 built before 1982 has straight pipes intentional or not. It's amazing how quickly that salty air will rot an exhaust system. (Sorry, can't resist) DE is also home of the most ridiculous helmet law in the country. The dunes along RT. 1 are littered with helmets with broken straps that have fallen off of helmet locks because you're required to have a helmet on the bike but not necessarily on your head. Now I'm just getting home sick. -James '00 SV650 From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 24 02:20:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0O7KZi17466 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 02:20:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from firewall.dcc-racing.org (cable.dcc-racing.org [68.34.52.32]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id g0O7KWw27921; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 02:20:33 -0500 From: Brian Roach To: "James Reazor" , Subject: Re: Blinded by the light / loud pipes Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 02:20:32 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" References: <02012319584809.17767@firewall.dcc-racing.org> <00a101c1a49d$41407a90$6401a8c0@vaio> In-Reply-To: <00a101c1a49d$41407a90$6401a8c0@vaio> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0201240220320C.17767@firewall.dcc-racing.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Thursday 24 January 2002 01:03, James Reazor wrote: > (Sorry, can't resist) DE is also home of the most ridiculous helmet law > in the country. The dunes along RT. 1 are littered with helmets with broken > straps that have fallen off of helmet locks because you're required to have > a helmet on the bike but not necessarily on your head. The man speaks the truth... silliest thing I've ever seen... people riding around with perfectly good helmets bungied, strapped, and even permanetly affixed to the rear seat. I think the idea behind it was that if you passed a law saying you had to have one with you, people would actually wear it. ::shaking head:: You can lead a horse to water... - Roach From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 24 06:54:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web13002.mail.yahoo.com (web13002.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.12]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g0OBsFi21670 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 06:54:15 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020124115414.76373.qmail@web13002.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [198.26.122.12] by web13002.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 03:54:14 PST Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 03:54:14 -0800 (PST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: Blinded by the light / loud pipes To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <0201240220320C.17767@firewall.dcc-racing.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > (Sorry, can't resist) DE is also home of the most ridiculous helmet law > > in the country. The dunes along RT. 1 are littered with helmets with broken > > straps that have fallen off of helmet locks because you're required to have > > a helmet on the bike but not necessarily on your head. > > The man speaks the truth... silliest thing I've ever seen... people riding > around with perfectly good helmets bungied, strapped, and even permanetly > affixed to the rear seat. > > I think the idea behind it was that if you passed a law saying you had to > have one with you, people would actually wear it. They had an article in "Winding Roads: Motorcycle Times" several years ago from one of the men who was pushing to get the helmet law repealed in DE. If I remember right, they were down to one vote of getting it passed, and the (delegate? Governor?) asked "What if you pick up my daughter to take for a ride, how will I know you have a helmet for her?" And they came up with this silly thing. Sounds similar to when MD didn't have a helmet law, and military men would ride to the base, stop, put on their helmets, then ride onto the base itself, where helmets were required. Louis ===== "Admiral" Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours Fairfax, VA Co-Planner, MD20-20 http://www.masondixon20-20.org/ Home Page: http://www.geocities.com/nighthawk700/cycle.htm __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 24 08:00:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail.toward.com ([204.194.180.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0OD0ji22697 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 08:00:45 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 08:00:44 -0500 Message-Id: <200201240800.AA4719022@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: Mittens for winter riding? X-Mailer: Yes, I used to wear mittens all the time. Then I discovered the joys of fairings. :-) Seriously, you might try hand protectors like off-road bikes & ATV's use. I've been to a company's web site with a number of lexan/plexiglass devices like foot deflectors and hand deflectors - I can't remember who they are at the moment, or find it in my bookmarks, but I'll forward it when I can. Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Larry Larson Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 10:59:32 -0500 >Mittens marketed specifically for motorcycles and for snowmobiles have been >around for a long time (in the 70's there was a product called "Hippo >Hands" -- are they still around?) They are much warmer than gloves, but it >would seem impossible to cover the brakes or clutch wearing them. Does >anyone have any good or bad experience wearing mittens while riding? > >Regards, > -- Larry > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 24 08:09:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail.toward.com ([204.194.180.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0OD9xi22774 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 08:09:59 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 08:09:57 -0500 Message-Id: <200201240809.AA6750638@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: Blinded by the light / loud pipes X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: matthew patton >But twice now in 2 days I've had bozos in the next >lane (and just barely ahead of me) try to come into my >lane. Even had a guy in a large pickup try it who was >abreast of me. My motor was singing along at 4k RPM in >all cases which is right where the sound starts to get >nice and throaty. They arguably had PLENTY of warning, >because we were cruising along at roughly the same >speed. I know you're not for loud pipes, but this passage is a good example of fixing a problem by causing a problem. The no. 1 problem is riding at "roughly the same speed" as a car you're beside. I think that's bad tactics, no matter what pipes, modulators or horns the bike has - there's nothing to physically prevent the cager from changing lanes into the bike. The no. 2 problem is annoying loud pipes, and riders thinking the solution to problem no. 1 is to create problem no. 2. I prefer to minize the time beside vehicles, and position myself to stay in front of or behind cars in lanes next to me. just a long-tailed cat in a world full of rocking-chairs, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 24 08:13:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail.toward.com ([204.194.180.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0ODDei22859 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 08:13:40 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 08:13:39 -0500 Message-Id: <200201240813.AA402129478@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: "List-dc cycles" Subject: Re: Blinded by the light / loud pipes X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Troutman >Yeah! I started the winter loud pipe thread! Woo Hoo! What? You think that's hard to do? :-) >My VFR has pretty loud pipes, but not >on the scale of a Harley with straight pipes. I can control the volume >pretty easily. I like the idea of using headlight modulators only when you >are in a situation that requires them. That makes a lot of sense to >me. Can someone rig a 'quite pipes' button for me? Yeah! What I'd really like is an ability to turn on a sound-maker that sounds like a-fully-loaded-semi-with-all-wheels-locked-and-air-horns-blaring. Should be worth a heart-attack or two from brain dead cagers! -- Chris Norloff, Virginia '92 Honda ST1100 ABS STOC #1290 '90 Honda Pacific Coast (PC800) "Callipygian" '81 Honda CB750F with Jupiter sidecar Transcendentalist Combat Commuter - Assume people want to kill you. Think of the cars as the rocks, and you're the water ... and just go around them. "Soul-less Appliance" - a pejorative term for a motorcycle that doesn't break down. -- From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 24 08:15:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail.toward.com ([204.194.180.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0ODFAi22927 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 08:15:10 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 08:15:09 -0500 Message-Id: <200201240815.AA402588230@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: Blinded by the light / loud pipes X-Mailer: Uh oh! The first signs that the discussion is devolving to a flamefest. Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Bruce Norton" Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 19:33:04 -0500 >I actually read and agreed with your post up to this point. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "matthew patton" > >> From what I've observed, the guys with the noisy >> exhuasts drive like fools, anyway. > > >Now who's stereotyping who? I think that's a pretty shitty thing to say to >all your fellow riders on this list. I bet at least half the people on this >list have aftermarket exhaust and you just insulted them. > >Bruce > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 24 08:22:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0ODMSi23029 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 08:22:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-172.patriot.net [209.249.180.172]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0ODMQi01208; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 08:22:26 -0500 Message-ID: <3C500A2D.485A8952@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 08:20:45 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Anita Lauro CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: A blast from the past... References: <200201240000.g0O001D10291@dirty.meretrix.com> <000c01c1a491$0d6dd700$1602a8c0@bellatlantic.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Welcome back! I wondered where you went - Spain - lucky you. Good to hear that you're back in the saddle. Are you going to doing the MSF thing again? Bill Anita Lauro wrote: > Yup, Anita is still alive and kicking! :-) > > Well, I sure do see a lot of familiar names here! And, a loud pipes > discussion as well.. not much has changed since I dropped off the list a few > years back! :-) > > I still have my GPZ1100, but it will be sold this spring. After taking about > 2 years off from riding, I wound up buying a 2002 BMW R1150R earlier this > month. I went on a motorcycle tour of Southern Spain last October, and rode > an R1150R for a week. It was so much more comfortable for me than the GPZ > (my knees are too old for the GPZ these days) that I decided if I was going > to really get back into riding, I needed to go with the BMW. So far I'm > really enjoying it, although I've only been able to ride it a couple times. > This weekend is sure sounding nice though. :-) > > Anyhow.. nice to see so many people I know still on the list.. and maybe > we'll get to hook up for a ride sometime soon! > > Anita Lauro > '02 BMW R1150R > '00 Yamaha Blaster (for sale) > '96 Kawasaki GPZ1100 (for sale) From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 24 08:24:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0ODO0i23039 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 08:24:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-172.patriot.net [209.249.180.172]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0ODNwi01591; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 08:23:58 -0500 Message-ID: <3C500A89.D05FB28F@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 08:22:17 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: James Reazor CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Blinded by the light / loud pipes References: <02012319584809.17767@firewall.dcc-racing.org> <00a101c1a49d$41407a90$6401a8c0@vaio> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit James Reazor wrote: > > Hell, out here in DE the *pickups* have straight pipes, makes the harleys > > seem tame. > > > > True, in fact, almost every thing in DE with a V8 built before 1982 has > straight pipes intentional or not. It's amazing how quickly that salty air > will rot an exhaust system. > > (Sorry, can't resist) DE is also home of the most ridiculous helmet law > in the country. The dunes along RT. 1 are littered with helmets with broken > straps that have fallen off of helmet locks because you're required to have > a helmet on the bike but not necessarily on your head. And don't forget, the helmet must have 4 sq inchs of reflective material. I reckon that makes it easier to find at night when the strap breaks. Bill From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 24 08:48:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mta013.verizon.net (mta013pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.214]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0ODmAi23500 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 08:48:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from alauro ([151.200.42.23]) by mta013.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.02 201-253-122-122-102-20011128) with SMTP id <20020124134803.SBZT24771.mta013.verizon.net@alauro>; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 07:48:03 -0600 Message-ID: <003a01c1a4df$20120a40$1602a8c0@bellatlantic.net> From: "Anita Lauro" To: "William J. Huson" Cc: References: <200201240000.g0O001D10291@dirty.meretrix.com> <000c01c1a491$0d6dd700$1602a8c0@bellatlantic.net> <3C500A2D.485A8952@patriot.net> Subject: Re: A blast from the past... Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 08:57:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 ----- Original Message ----- From: "William J. Huson" To: "Anita Lauro" Cc: Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 8:20 AM Subject: Re: A blast from the past... > Welcome back! I wondered where you went - Spain - lucky you. Good to hear > that you're back in the saddle. Are you going to doing the MSF thing again? Spain was a lot of fun.. well, it was kinda stressful, too. I'd never been to Europe, and my riding skills were a tad rusty (very rusty). Luckily the R1150R was very easy to ride - perfect for the Spanish roads. And I remembered enough of my high school Spanish to at least read the road signs (Very Dangerous Road Ahead!). I posted some pictures at http://photos.yahoo.com/alauro in the "Spain Trip" album. The tour was through Edelweiss and it went great. I'm not teaching any more though - giving up a whole weekend got to be too much of a grind added to the pressures of my full-time job. I do plan on stopping by to see what the new rider course looks like though. :-) Anita From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 24 09:00:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from cgds1.osc.uscg.mil (cgds1.osc.uscg.mil [152.121.49.10]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0OE00i23730 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 09:00:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from hqex.comdt.uscg.mil by CGDS1.osc.uscg.mil with ESMTP for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 09:00:27 -0500 Received: by hqex.comdt.uscg.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 08:59:38 -0500 Message-Id: From: "Bruhl, George LT" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: The loud pipe issue Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 08:59:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" t 09:15 AM 1/23/2002, Chris Norloff wrote: >Me, I use a headlight modulator when I'm concerned about being seen, and >it helps quite a bit. >Mr. Troutman responded >I am curious how many people on list that use headlight modulators and >don't mind annoying drivers would also run loud pipes for the same reason? I retort: Headlight modulators don't set off car alarms -- loud pipes do. They also hurt aural nerves and actually cause hearing loss. So do trains, jet engines, guns, etc.... I don't subscribe to the loud pipe theory. Loud pipes can't normally be heard by cagers down the street heading towards you. Also, with the sound systems in some vehicles, loud pipes may not even be recognizable within the frequency range the sub-woofers are operating at. I would much rather practice staying out of blind spot, squirting around problems and keeping my eyes (remaining alert) and ears open (something you can't do with pipes banging at your ear drums). As far as the much touted LOUD pipe theory is concerned... it has some merit, but I wouldn't go so far as rely on what little merit is has. Loud pipes and the theory which has grown out of the argument, I think, is personal justification for spending mega-bucks on a pop culture retro-engineered motorcycle. But, that's just MY opinion. Although I don't use a headlight modulator, I have seen them in use and have been impressed by what I have seen. This discussion has led to the conclusion that this might be an item I would look to put on in the future. From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 24 09:43:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from relay2.softcomca.com (relay.softcomca.com [168.144.1.68] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0OEhhi24516 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 09:43:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from M2W018 ([168.144.108.18]) by relay2.softcomca.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.3779); Thu, 24 Jan 2002 09:43:41 -0500 X-Originating-IP: 206.20.132.104 X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ Subject: RE: Re: Blinded by the light / loud pipes Sender: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 09:44:55 -0500 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: JMail 3.7.0 by Dimac (www.dimac.net) Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jan 2002 14:43:41.0882 (UTC) FILETIME=[8465E1A0:01C1A4E5] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-Printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g0OEhki24517 Just for the record... The full race exhaust system on my FZR is not loud. %^) Chuck -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 24 10:36:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp011.mail.yahoo.com (smtp011.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g0OFaqi25400 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 10:36:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from washdc3-ar6-4-63-009-023.vz.dsl.gtei.net (HELO ltanner) (4.63.9.23) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2002 15:36:50 -0000 From: "LindaT." To: Subject: RE: A blast from the past... Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 10:25:44 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000c01c1a491$0d6dd700$1602a8c0@bellatlantic.net> Welcome back, Anita. How was Spain? And a beemer, too! Did you get a windshield for it or you ridin' nekkid? Which dealership did you get it from? As the current membership chair of BMWBMW, let me invite you to join our happy group. The meetings are the second Sunday of each month and are held at various area dealerships/restaurants. The next meeting is at Bob's. Let me know it you're interested. And welcome back again. LindaT. Custom TankBags Springfield, VA (suburb of our nation's capital) AMA IBA HSTA BMWBMW 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy 95 F3 Purple Haze (69K miles and counting...) 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing http://www.geocities.com/ljtanner Anita Lauro said: Yup, Anita is still alive and kicking! :-) Well, I sure do see a lot of familiar names here! And, a loud pipes discussion as well.. not much has changed since I dropped off the list a few years back! :-) I still have my GPZ1100, but it will be sold this spring. After taking about 2 years off from riding, I wound up buying a 2002 BMW R1150R earlier this month. I went on a motorcycle tour of Southern Spain last October, and rode an R1150R for a week. It was so much more comfortable for me than the GPZ (my knees are too old for the GPZ these days) that I decided if I was going to really get back into riding, I needed to go with the BMW. So far I'm really enjoying it, although I've only been able to ride it a couple times. This weekend is sure sounding nice though. :-) Anyhow.. nice to see so many people I know still on the list.. and maybe we'll get to hook up for a ride sometime soon! Anita Lauro '02 BMW R1150R '00 Yamaha Blaster (for sale) '96 Kawasaki GPZ1100 (for sale) _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 24 10:41:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from lycanthrope.crosslink.net (root@XXXXXX [206.246.124.36]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0OFfCi25433 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 10:41:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from lhs149teacher ([209.147.77.243]) by lycanthrope.crosslink.net (8.9.3/) with SMTP id KAA11295; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 10:41:09 -0500 X-Really-To: Message-ID: <003a01c1a4ed$c3d2c8a0$0c07a8c0@lhs149teacher> From: "Danny Thompson" To: "hcaldwell" Cc: "D.C. Cycles" References: Subject: Re: dirt riding shools? Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 10:42:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Thompson's Tempest dirt riding school. Cost only $300 for the entire day. First rate instruction, local riding areas and bag lunch included. Contact me for more information. Danny '02 XR 250R '00 SV (racebike) '98 Superhawk '01 Shadow ACE Tourer www.onewayracing.org ...................................... ----- Original Message ----- From: "hcaldwell" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 3:45 PM Subject: dirt riding shools? > > I'm new to off road riding and was wondering > if anyone could recommend any dirt riding schools. A > school that provides the bikes would be ideal. > > Thanks, > Hugh > > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 24 10:47:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from pmesmtp02.wcom.com (pmesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.20.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0OFlTi25566 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 10:47:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42257) id <0GQG00M0195QG1@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 15:46:38 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp03.wcomnet.com ([166.38.58.143]) by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42257) with ESMTP id <0GQG00LCD95QDK@XXXXXX>; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 15:46:38 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp03.wcomnet.com by dgismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with SMTP id <0GQG00F0195A1O@XXXXXX>; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 15:46:38 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.49]) by dgismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with ESMTP id <0GQG00DAG959X5@XXXXXX>; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 15:46:21 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 10:46:17 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Blinded by the light / loud pipes To: cnorloff@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3C502C49.FA50786@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <200201240809.AA6750638@mail.toward.com> Chris Norloff wrote: > The no. 1 problem is riding at "roughly the same speed" as a car you're beside. I think that's bad tactics, no matter what pipes, modulators or horns the bike has - there's nothing to physically prevent the cager from changing lanes into the bike. > Agreed. I try to spend as little time as possible beside other cars in other lanes. Sometimes it's difficult, when traffic is heavy. When it's really crowded, I sometimes hang close to the rear bumper of a car in the next lane. Technically he's not beside me, and if he suddenly merges over into my lane, he'll still miss me, and I ride as if I expect that to happen at any time. Usually even tailgaters keep a bike length between them and the car in front, so I'll have no one beside me. Paranoia is your friend. :) Ride safe, Horkster -- MSL! SMG! (Chatty Moron TM's) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth AWSHIDT #322 - Completed. 99 Highway Signs! '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 24 10:51:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dgesmtp02.wcom.com (dgesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.16.17]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0OFpri25653 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 10:51:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42261) id <0GQG002019DSTF@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 15:51:28 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp03.wcomnet.com ([166.38.58.143]) by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42261) with ESMTP id <0GQG00MOW9DRNM@XXXXXX>; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 15:51:28 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp03.wcomnet.com by dgismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with SMTP id <0GQG00G019DLEK@XXXXXX>; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 15:51:27 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.49]) by dgismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with ESMTP id <0GQG00DPZ9DHX5@XXXXXX>; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 15:51:18 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 10:51:14 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: A blast from the past... To: Anita Lauro Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3C502D72.4030112C@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <200201240000.g0O001D10291@dirty.meretrix.com> <000c01c1a491$0d6dd700$1602a8c0@XXXXXX> Anita Lauro wrote: > > Yup, Anita is still alive and kicking! :-) > > Well, I sure do see a lot of familiar names here! And, a loud pipes > discussion as well.. not much has changed since I dropped off the list a few > years back! :-) I've been thinking about numbering the threads...then we can all just sit around, and every now and then someone will post something like "Number 7!" and we'll all start bitching about bikes without centerstands. :) Did you happen to catch the thread about another former DCC'er, Brian McCoy, and his antics in Atlanta? Funny. :) > Anyhow.. nice to see so many people I know still on the list.. and maybe > we'll get to hook up for a ride sometime soon! Welcome back, Horkster -- MSL! SMG! (Chatty Moron TM's) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth AWSHIDT #322 - Completed. 99 Highway Signs! '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 24 11:09:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from nceaexchange.ncea.org (smtp.ncea.org [64.242.194.132]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0OG9Yi26006 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 11:09:34 -0500 (EST) Received: by NCEAEXCHANGE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 11:09:24 -0500 Message-ID: <79B36BCD74CDD411AE4000508B55FC5F45E3EB@NCEAEXCHANGE> From: bernescut@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: A blast from the past... Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 11:09:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Welcome back Anita. I'm back as well. After some miscreants took possession of my pride and joy I was relegated to the joys of life on a Metrobus. State Farm did right by me (unlike my previous experience with Progressive) and this week I picked up the 2000 CBR600F4 that was in Sunday's Washington Post. Weather has prevented me from riding it all (actually, I bonded with the bus driver, but he promised he'd write to me.) the time, but this weekend is looking good. Congrats on your new ride. Cedric Bernescut 200 CBR600F4 "Maybe, just once, someone will call me 'sir' without adding, 'you're making a scene.'" Homer Simpson Anyhow.. nice to see so many people I know still on the list.. and maybe we'll get to hook up for a ride sometime soon! Anita Lauro '02 BMW R1150R '00 Yamaha Blaster (for sale) '96 Kawasaki GPZ1100 (for sale) From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 24 13:50:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail.toward.com ([204.194.180.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0OIoSi28855 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 13:50:28 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 13:50:26 -0500 Message-Id: <200201241350.AA23069284@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: Re: Blinded by the light / loud pipes X-Mailer: Did you used to be an artillery officer or something? :-) Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 09:44:55 -0500 >Just for the record... > >The full race exhaust system on my FZR is not loud. %^) > >Chuck > >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >mail2web - Check your email from the web at >http://mail2web.com/ . > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 24 13:53:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f105.hotmail.com [216.32.181.105]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0OIrQi28866 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 13:53:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 10:42:17 -0800 Received: from 67.201.148.236 by lw2fd.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 18:42:16 GMT X-Originating-IP: [67.201.148.236] From: "Ken Shephard" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: A blast from the past... Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 13:42:16 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jan 2002 18:42:17.0243 (UTC) FILETIME=[D9049EB0:01C1A506] WB, Anita !! Wow, from the old Nighthawk to the BMW, you are moving up in the world. Missed your rambling on the old Yahoo board you had. And I wondered where you had been when a bus trip up to the Cycle World show at Javits Convention center came up. Ken Shephard 1996 HD XLH1200 2001 Buell Cyclone Ride Safe!!! Inwood WV HDKnight@XXXXXX _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 24 13:54:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail.toward.com ([204.194.180.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0OIsDi28876 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 13:54:13 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 13:54:12 -0500 Message-Id: <200201241354.AA23724644@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Dale Horstman CC: Subject: Riding Tactics [was: Blinded by the light / loud pipes X-Mailer: I do that to, stay behind the bumper of the car in the next lane over, and unless they're *badly* tailgated than there's no one beside me. And thus it keeps puzzling me when tailgaters pull up so close that I can see them out of the side of my eye, and I'm just behind the bumper of the car in front of the tailgater. Where do they think they're going? sigh it's like a mix of Mad Max and Monty Python, Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Dale Horstman >I try to spend as little time as possible beside other >cars in other lanes. Sometimes it's difficult, when traffic is >heavy. When it's really crowded, I sometimes hang close to the >rear bumper of a car in the next lane. Technically he's not >beside me, and if he suddenly merges over into my lane, he'll >still miss me, and I ride as if I expect that to happen at any time. >Usually even tailgaters keep a bike length between them and the >car in front, so I'll have no one beside me. From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 24 14:58:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from pmesmtp01.wcom.com (pmesmtp01.wcom.com [199.249.20.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0OJwMi29939 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 14:58:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #47837) id <0GQG00401KT23O@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 19:58:14 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp04.wcomnet.com ([166.38.62.39]) by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #47837) with ESMTP id <0GQG00NL6KT13N@XXXXXX>; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 19:58:14 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp04.wcomnet.com by pmismtp04.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with SMTP id <0GQG00001KSWY1@XXXXXX>; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 19:58:13 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.49]) by pmismtp04.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with ESMTP id <0GQG00KODKSHU7@XXXXXX>; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 19:57:53 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 14:57:49 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Riding Tactics [was: Blinded by the light / loud pipes To: cnorloff@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3C50673D.9487876A@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <200201241354.AA23724644@mail.toward.com> Chris Norloff wrote: > And thus it keeps puzzling me when tailgaters pull up so close that I can see them out of the side of my eye, and I'm just behind the bumper of the car in front of the tailgater. Where do they think they're going? > Near as I can tell, some tailgaters are trying to "intimidate", whether consciously or not, the car ahead to either speed up or move over. Others are trying to prevent someone from merging in directly in front of them. It's the tailgaters that show up on mostly open roads that really, really bother me, though. I could never figure those ones out. Horkster -- MSL! SMG! (Chatty Moron TM's) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth AWSHIDT #322 - Completed. 99 Highway Signs! '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 24 16:17:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m06.mx.aol.com (imo-m06.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.161]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0OLHqi01349 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 16:17:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo-m06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.26.) id k.62.19c70c12 (15878); Thu, 24 Jan 2002 16:17:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from web45.aolmail.aol.com (web45.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.6]) by air-id07.mx.aol.com (v82.22) with ESMTP id MAILINID75-0124161737; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 16:17:37 -0500 Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 16:17:36 EST From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Subject: Re: A blast from the past... To: Cc: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: <62.19c70c12.2981d3f1@aol.com> Welcome back Anita. We've missed you the past couple years. Especially we missed you renting a bus to haul our asses to NY for the Motorcycle Show. ;-) Scooter (r/w/b 2000 YZF R6) In a message dated Wed, 23 Jan 2002 11:30:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, "Anita Lauro" writes: > Yup, Anita is still alive and kicking! :-) > > Well, I sure do see a lot of familiar names here! And, a loud pipes > discussion as well.. not much has changed since I dropped off the list a few > years back! :-) > > I still have my GPZ1100, but it will be sold this spring. After taking about > 2 years off from riding, I wound up buying a 2002 BMW R1150R earlier this > month. I went on a motorcycle tour of Southern Spain last October, and rode > an R1150R for a week. It was so much more comfortable for me than the GPZ > (my knees are too old for the GPZ these days) that I decided if I was going > to really get back into riding, I needed to go with the BMW. So far I'm > really enjoying it, although I've only been able to ride it a couple times. > This weekend is sure sounding nice though. :-) > > Anyhow.. nice to see so many people I know still on the list.. and maybe > we'll get to hook up for a ride sometime soon! > > Anita Lauro > '02 BMW R1150R > '00 Yamaha Blaster (for sale) > '96 Kawasaki GPZ1100 (for sale) From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 24 16:29:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from rhino.spottedcat.com (IDENT:root@[63.91.14.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0OLTBi01505 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 16:29:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (hcaldwell@localhost) by rhino.spottedcat.com (8.11.6/8.8.7) with ESMTP id g0OLSxo18953 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 16:28:59 -0500 Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 16:28:59 -0500 (EST) From: hcaldwell X-Sender: hcaldwell@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Riding suits (More) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In my search for riding suits and what to wear under them I ran across this site. http://www.motocoolstuff.com/ Does this stuff seem legit? Thanks, Hugh From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 24 19:43:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m02.mx.aol.com (imo-m02.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.5]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0P0hvi04768 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 19:43:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from PenguinBiker@XXXXXX by imo-m02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.26.) id 2.ea.218d0559 (4249) for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 19:43:46 -0500 (EST) From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 19:43:45 EST Subject: Re: Blinded by the light / loud pipes To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 1/24/2002 2:23:48 AM Eastern Standard Time, roach@XXXXXX writes: > I think the idea behind it was that if you passed a law saying you had to > have one with you, people would actually wear it. Remember 85mph. speedometers? If your speedometer only went to 85 you would only go 85? Bureaucrats--SPIT! John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European is now necessary {and I still like it.}) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 24 21:45:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp8.quixnet.net ([63.65.123.58]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0P2jTi06727 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 21:45:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from computer (1Cust101.tnt7.lorton.va.da.uu.net [67.201.181.101]) by smtp8.quixnet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA19165 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 21:45:27 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <002801c1a54a$a86d8fc0$65b5c943@computer> Reply-To: "Kevin Bechtel" From: "Kevin Bechtel" To: Subject: New Bikes Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 21:47:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0025_01C1A520.BE264480" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C1A520.BE264480 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable For anyone who's interested, MFI has a new 919 and a new Interceptor on = the floor ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C1A520.BE264480 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C1A520.BE264480-- From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 24 21:59:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0P2xHi06917 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 21:59:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from washdc3-ar2-184-082.washdc3.dsl.gtei.net ([4.3.184.82] helo=llarson.xhost.org) by hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16Twa0-0005Hs-00; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 18:59:04 -0800 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020124215850.00afae98@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 21:59:53 -0500 To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: Blinded by the light / loud pipes In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 07:43 PM 1/24/2002, PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: >Remember 85mph. speedometers? If your speedometer only went to 85 you would >only go 85? >Bureaucrats--SPIT! Hell, I'd rather have an 85mph speedo than one of the new 170mph speedos with the numbers so crammed together they're essentially useless. -- Larry From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 24 22:09:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0P39hi07084 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 22:09:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-23.patriot.net [209.249.180.23]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0P39dK19111; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 22:09:40 -0500 Message-ID: <3C50CC0D.1FB6B199@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 22:07:57 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Larry Larson CC: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Blinded by the light / loud pipes References: <4.3.2.7.2.20020124215850.00afae98@mail.9netave.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Larry Larson wrote: > At 07:43 PM 1/24/2002, PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > > >Remember 85mph. speedometers? If your speedometer only went to 85 you would > >only go 85? > >Bureaucrats--SPIT! That wasn't all bad - lots more cars and bikes came with tachs so those of us who weren't numerically challanged could convert RPM to MPH. The bureaucrat in question was Joan Claybrook who apparently lusted after Ralph Nadar ("Unsafe at Any Speed") Bill From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 24 22:27:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net (swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.123]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0P3RBi07406 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 22:27:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from washdc3-ar2-184-082.washdc3.dsl.gtei.net ([4.3.184.82] helo=llarson.xhost.org) by swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16Tx10-0005yc-00; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 19:26:59 -0800 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020124222643.00b0ccf8@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 22:27:43 -0500 To: "William J. Huson" From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: Blinded by the light / loud pipes Cc: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3C50CC0D.1FB6B199@patriot.net> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20020124215850.00afae98@mail.9netave.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:07 PM 1/24/2002, William J. Huson wrote: > The bureaucrat in >question was Joan Claybrook who apparently lusted after Ralph Nadar >("Unsafe at >Any Speed") Nah -- she got that out of her system when she worked "under" Ralphie at PERG. -- Larry From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 24 22:41:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0P3f9i07584 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 22:41:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-23.patriot.net [209.249.180.23]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0P3f6K25891; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 22:41:06 -0500 Message-ID: <3C50D36B.E277EADC@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 22:39:23 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Larry Larson CC: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Blinded by the light / loud pipes References: <4.3.2.7.2.20020124215850.00afae98@mail.9netave.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20020124222643.00b0ccf8@mail.9netave.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Larry Larson wrote: > At 10:07 PM 1/24/2002, William J. Huson wrote: > > The bureaucrat in > >question was Joan Claybrook who apparently lusted after Ralph Nadar > >("Unsafe at > >Any Speed") > > Nah -- she got that out of her system when she worked "under" Ralphie at PERG. Hmmm... I wonder if Ralph was into *seat* belts and padded dash/head boards? Bill From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 24 23:08:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net (falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.74]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0P489i08046 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 23:08:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from washdc3-ar2-184-082.washdc3.dsl.gtei.net ([4.3.184.82] helo=llarson.xhost.org) by falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16Txeg-0002D6-00; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 20:07:58 -0800 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020124224001.00b0ccf8@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: pltrgyst@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 23:08:47 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Larry Larson Subject: 2001 GS500 For Sale Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_104395622==_.ALT" --=====================_104395622==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable For sale: 2001 Suzuki GS500, the absolutely *perfect* starter bike. Dark=20 metallic blue (the only US color). Purchased new at Free State Cycle in May= =20 of last year; still under factory warranty. Had first service at 550 miles.= =20 ~850 very gentle old fart-ridden miles as of today. Absolutely like-new=20 condition; unmarked, never redlined, never down. Never even been wet.=20 Spends every night and every day in a garage, either at home or at work. The 2001 GS500 featured the newly designed rear body, a larger 5.3 gallon=20 fuel tank, and an improved seat, among other things. I paid $4200 + freight + tax. Kelly Blue Book has it at $4325 retail, $2970 trade-in, in average=20 condition with 3700 miles. I'm asking $3800 for it. For that price, the buyer will get an essentially= =20 new bike without the aggravation of riding through the break-in period at=20 roughly $850 less than buying new from a dealer. Suzuki-provided picture is at http://www.xhost.org/images/gs500.jpg. Thanks -- Larry ( in Alexandria, VA; cell phone: 703.608.9646 home:=20 703.549.2624) '01 Aprilia Mille SL Falco '84 Interceptor 500 (small emergency backup bike) '01 Suzuki GS500 (soon to be ex-dependable small emergency backup bike to=20 the small emergency backup bike) le hydraulic disc rear brake. =95 Lightweight, hollow 3-spoke type front and rear wheels. =95 Large 5.3 gallon fuel tank with locking filler cap. =95 Comfortable seat shaped for both rider and passenger comfort. =95 Optional accessories: =95 Headlight cowling =95 Lower cowling =95 Tank cover =95 Soft luggage =95 Storage cover =95 Engine case guards --=====================_104395622==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable For sale: 2001 Suzuki GS500, the absolutely *perfect* starter bike. Dark metallic blue (the only US color). Purchased new at Free State Cycle in May of last year; still under factory warranty. Had first service at 550 miles. ~850 very gentle old fart-ridden miles as of today. Absolutely like-new condition; unmarked, never redlined, never down. Never even been wet. Spends every night and every day in a garage, either at home or at work.

The 2001 GS500 featured the newly designed rear body, a larger 5.3 gallon fuel tank, and an improved seat, among other things.

I paid $4200 + freight + tax.

Kelly Blue Book has it at $4325 retail, $2970 trade-in, in average condition with 3700 miles.

I'm asking $3800 for it. For that price, the buyer will get an essentially new bike without the aggravation of riding through the break-in period at roughly $850 less than buying new from a dealer.

Suzuki-provided picture is at http://www.xhost.org/images/gs500.jpg.

Thanks -- Larry ( in Alexandria, VA;   cell phone: 703.608.9646   home: 703.549.2624)

'01 Aprilia Mille SL Falco
'84 Interceptor 500 (small emergency backup bike)
'01 Suzuki GS500 (soon to be ex-dependable small emergency backup bike to the small emergency backup bike)

le hydraulic disc rear brake.
=95 Lightweight, hollow 3-spoke type front and rear wheels.
=95 Large 5.3 gallon fuel tank with locking filler cap.
=95 Comfortable seat shaped for both rider and passenger comfort.
=95 Optional accessories:
=95 Headlight cowling
=95 Lower cowling
=95 Tank cover
=95 Soft luggage
=95 Storage cover
=95 Engine case guards


--=====================_104395622==_.ALT-- From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 24 23:11:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net (falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.74]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0P4BDi08059 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 23:11:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from washdc3-ar2-184-082.washdc3.dsl.gtei.net ([4.3.184.82] helo=llarson.xhost.org) by falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16Txhi-0005eg-00; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 20:11:07 -0800 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020124230955.00af5448@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 23:11:56 -0500 To: "William J. Huson" From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: Blinded by the light / loud pipes Cc: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3C50D36B.E277EADC@patriot.net> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20020124215850.00afae98@mail.9netave.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20020124222643.00b0ccf8@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:39 PM 1/24/2002, William J. Huson wrote: >Larry Larson wrote: > > > At 10:07 PM 1/24/2002, William J. Huson wrote: > > > The bureaucrat in > > >question was Joan Claybrook who apparently lusted after Ralph Nadar > > >("Unsafe at > > >Any Speed") > > > > Nah -- she got that out of her system when she worked "under" Ralphie > at PERG. > >Hmmm... I wonder if Ralph was into *seat* belts and padded dash/head boards? Well, everyone's gotta have a hobby, and god knows Ralph never spent any of his meager income on clothes. Jeez, I've got this uncontrollable urge to play Meatloaf 's "Paradise by the Dashboard Lights"... -- Larry From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 24 23:13:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0P4DHi08144 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 23:13:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-23.patriot.net [209.249.180.23]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0P4DDK31898; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 23:13:13 -0500 Message-ID: <3C50DAEF.576D1EB1@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 23:11:28 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Larry Larson CC: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Blinded by the light / loud pipes References: <4.3.2.7.2.20020124215850.00afae98@mail.9netave.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20020124222643.00b0ccf8@XXXXXX> <4.3.2.7.2.20020124230955.00af5448@XXXXXX> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Larry Larson wrote: > At 10:39 PM 1/24/2002, William J. Huson wrote: > > >Larry Larson wrote: > > > > > At 10:07 PM 1/24/2002, William J. Huson wrote: > > > > The bureaucrat in > > > >question was Joan Claybrook who apparently lusted after Ralph Nadar > > > >("Unsafe at > > > >Any Speed") > > > > > > Nah -- she got that out of her system when she worked "under" Ralphie > > at PERG. > > > >Hmmm... I wonder if Ralph was into *seat* belts and padded dash/head boards? > > Well, everyone's gotta have a hobby, and god knows Ralph never spent any of > his meager > income on clothes. > > Jeez, I've got this uncontrollable urge to play Meatloaf 's "Paradise by > the Dashboard > Lights"... > > -- Larry Another good one from my days - "Footprints on the dashboard..." From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 25 00:02:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from gecko.troutman.org ([209.120.170.19]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0P52Wi08910 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 00:02:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from iguana.wheatintl.com (66-44-87-94.s602.tnt3.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com [66.44.87.94]) by gecko.troutman.org (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g0P52Ov08856 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 00:02:25 -0500 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020124235922.02aa5ec0@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 00:02:24 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Deer Strike Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Hit a deer tonight at 5:45. Thankfully I was in my truck and not on the bike at the time. Medium sized doe - cracked the grill and destroyed a fog light. She jumped a guard rail and I hit her in mid-air. Didn't see her until it was too late. Now I'm on the bike for a week or so. Great weather for it - but I'll be a bit paranoid for a while. I haven't been riding much lately with the snow and extreme sanding they do in Clifton. Nakes for messy riding. Be careful out there.... ______________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org It's lonely at the top, but you eat better From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 25 10:02:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from nceaexchange.ncea.org (smtp.ncea.org [64.242.194.132]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0PF2Yi17969 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 10:02:35 -0500 (EST) Received: by NCEAEXCHANGE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 10:02:32 -0500 Message-ID: <79B36BCD74CDD411AE4000508B55FC5F45E3F2@NCEAEXCHANGE> From: bernescut@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Blinded by the light / loud pipes Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 10:02:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" My favorite was the declaration that all numbers on the speedometer had to be "equidistant" and the "55" had to be in bold, which meant the sudden end to horizontal speedometers (remember those?). The automobile manufacturers spent millions redesigning all the dashboards to go back to circular speedometers. Of course, we could always go into the backwards-steering motorcycle which no one could actually ride, that her department sponsored in the interests of safety. Cedric 2000 CBR600F4 Annandale, VA "Who is General Failure and why is he reading my hard disk?" At 10:07 PM 1/24/2002, William J. Huson wrote: > The bureaucrat in >question was Joan Claybrook who apparently lusted after Ralph Nadar >("Unsafe at >Any Speed") Nah -- she got that out of her system when she worked "under" Ralphie at PERG. -- Larry From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 25 10:41:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0PFfci18583 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 10:41:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from firewall.dcc-racing.org (cable.dcc-racing.org [68.34.52.32]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id g0PFfCw31912 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 10:41:18 -0500 From: Brian Roach Reply-To: roach@XXXXXX To: Subject: Speaking of track days... Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 10:41:04 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0201251041040I.17767@firewall.dcc-racing.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Thought I'd mention re: NESBA Track Days - SpeedWerks has made a commitment to NESBA for the 2002 season. We'll be at several NESBA events doing trackside support ... things like free suspension setup, performance Q&A, etc. Of course, we're happy to sell you stuff too :) I'll have the list of events at which we'll be online in the near future, as I'm about to launch our new website as well. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 25 11:30:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mx-relay1.treas.gov (mx-relay1.treas.gov [199.196.144.5]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0PGUbi19476 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 11:30:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from tias4.treas.gov (tias-gw4.treas.gov [199.196.144.14]) by mx-relay1.treas.gov (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA01823 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 11:30:32 -0500 (EST) From: Michael.Brocchi@XXXXXX Received: from no.name.available by tias4.treas.gov via smtpd (for mx-relay1.treas.gov [199.196.144.5]) with SMTP; 25 Jan 2002 16:30:31 UT Received: from fw2.do.treas.gov. (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailhub-2.net.treas.gov (8.10.2+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id g0PGUUL28892 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 11:30:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from [172.20.75.25] by fw2.do.treas.gov. via smtpd (for mailhub.net.treas.gov [10.7.8.10]) with SMTP; 25 Jan 2002 16:30:30 UT Received: from msbr02.do.treas.gov ([10.75.192.146]) by do.treas.gov (PMDF V6.0-24 #36958) with ESMTP id <01KDHJ0E4COW8Y548M@XXXXXX> for DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 11:30:05 -0500 (EST) Received: by msbr02.do.treas.gov with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 11:29:59 -0500 Content-return: allowed Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 11:29:59 -0500 Subject: tire shopping To: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_000_01C1A5BD.881D7B40" X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_000_01C1A5BD.881D7B40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I live in Fairfax and have a flat rear tire on my Suzuki Bandit 600 As a result of all the negativity towards power-ride, can someone suggest a place I can take my bike to get a tire and to have it put on 160/60-ZR17 is the tire that came on the bike, anyone suggestions for a replacement could help, I am not a racer, just looking for a good all around tire I could also use some suggestions on taking off the rear tire, as I am not incredibly mechanically inclined, but I am capable of using tools, now that I've got this imposable thumb responses off list would be appreciated Thanks ------_=_NextPart_000_01C1A5BD.881D7B40 Content-Type: application/ms-tnef Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 eJ8+IjwQAQaQCAAEAAAAAAABAAEAAQeQBgAIAAAA5AQAAAAAAADoAAEIgAcAGAAAAElQTS5NaWNy b3NvZnQgTWFpbC5Ob3RlADEIAQWAAwAOAAAA0gcBABkACwAdADsABQBbAQEggAMADgAAANIHAQAZ AAsAHQA7AAUAWwEBCYABACEAAAA3N0Y1MTY5Qzk4MTFENjExQkZBQTAwNTA4QkUzNEFCNgApBwEE gAEADgAAAHRpcmUgc2hvcHBpbmcAPAUBDYAEAAIAAAACAAIAAQOQBgBQBwAALQAAAAMACVkDAAAA AgFxAAEAAAAWAAAAAcGlvWyLXSzuhjg8Q4yMqhZF8N1+KgAAAwDeP69vAAADAAOACCAGAAAAAADA AAAAAAAARgAAAABShQAAfW4BAB4ABIAIIAYAAAAAAMAAAAAAAABGAAAAAFSFAAABAAAABAAAADku MAALAAWACCAGAAAAAADAAAAAAAAARgAAAAAGhQAAAAAAAAMABoAIIAYAAAAAAMAAAAAAAABGAAAA AAGFAAAAAAAACwAHgAggBgAAAAAAwAAAAAAAAEYAAAAAA4UAAAAAAAALAAiACCAGAAAAAADAAAAA AAAARgAAAAAOhQAAAAAAAAMAAIAIIAYAAAAAAMAAAAAAAABGAAAAABCFAAAAAAAAAwAJgAggBgAA AAAAwAAAAAAAAEYAAAAAEYUAAAAAAAADAAqACCAGAAAAAADAAAAAAAAARgAAAAAYhQAAAAAAAAIB CRABAAAAVAIAAFACAADnAgAATFpGdYHoMxYDAAoAcmNwZzEyNRYyAPgLYG4OEDAzM08B9wKkA+MC AGNoCsBzsGV0MCAHEwKAfQqBknYIkHdrC4BkNAxgDmMAUAsDC7UgSSBskGl2ZSALgCBGC3AgcmZh eCAAcGQg8xDwFBFhIA7xBUAJcArBjnQUkBQgAiAgbXkGAEh1enUSYCBCFPFpuQVANjABQAqxCoBB BCAjFYAJcHN1bAVAb2YlFOBsAyB0aBQgbmUeZxXAFAAXoBbQdG932wsRBCBwGpAEkC0FEAEAqCwg YwORcwNwZQIg8xQgGNBnZweQBUAVgAtR3mMUIBPQG8IBkGsUIBbB7GJpHgEagCAcsBziFkPPFPIe sRUzF6FwdRkBC5AVGBMxF9AvF9AtWlL8MTcUMAQgGZIWQxmQFcF/G8AHgBaCGZIeYhugAHB5/RxJ aQIgBCACEAXAGJIdIy8HgAIwG7AIYGwVEWVsXnAboBPQIyAZwG8c4nJlHUFyG6BqdRzRCQBv9RJh ZyVVZyjAFRAZUgrA/whgH6IWURgEHYEmkwdAHAD+IChwHGEcESSbI2Id8Cjy/xkgGTAZkhX3JBEE ICdHC4D7BQAJgGkCYBbQB4AQ4QMAvxvAGWAW0C/hE/AZ0GQboP5iIJEnQxvACrACYBZxGTDvKHAo 8hqABvBzG6AnkAfg+SLDSScUESmQBUAZkCIB2wdwGwBzMsMZkHUG0BgE/xgEGLEbAACAB5Et8hPw HNFKdyaTYhVhcHAJcGOtBzB0CYA2elQwwWsQsAsYExHhADtgHgBwAAEAAAAOAAAAdGlyZSBzaG9w cGluZwAAAAsAAgABAAAAAwD9P+QEAABAADkAQHsdiL2lwQEDAPE/CQQAAB4AMUABAAAACQAAAEJS T0NDSElNAAAAAAMAGkAAAAAAHgAwQAEAAAAJAAAAQlJPQ0NISU0AAAAAAwAZQAAAAAADACYAAAAA AAMANgAAAAAAAwCAEP////8CAUcAAQAAADIAAABjPVVTO2E9IDtwPVVTVFJFQVNVUlk7bD1NUzAx LTAyMDEyNTE2Mjk1OVotMTA0MjYzAAAAAgH5PwEAAABKAAAAAAAAANynQMjAQhAatLkIACsv4YIB AAAAAAAAAC9PPVVTVFJFQVNVUlkvT1U9RE8vQ049UkVDSVBJRU5UUy9DTj1CUk9DQ0hJTQAAAB4A +D8BAAAAHgAAAEJyb2NjaGksIE1pY2hhZWwgKENvbnRyYWN0b3IpAAAAHgA4QAEAAAAJAAAAQlJP Q0NISU0AAAAAAgH7PwEAAABKAAAAAAAAANynQMjAQhAatLkIACsv4YIBAAAAAAAAAC9PPVVTVFJF QVNVUlkvT1U9RE8vQ049UkVDSVBJRU5UUy9DTj1CUk9DQ0hJTQAAAB4A+j8BAAAAHgAAAEJyb2Nj aGksIE1pY2hhZWwgKENvbnRyYWN0b3IpAAAAHgA5QAEAAAAJAAAAQlJPQ0NISU0AAAAAQAAHMBTK GIi9pcEBQAAIMFJIJYi9pcEBHgA9AAEAAAABAAAAAAAAAB4AHQ4BAAAADgAAAHRpcmUgc2hvcHBp bmcAAAAeADUQAQAAAD0AAAA8RkY0MDJCRTUzMjc1RDQxMUJGMjcwMDUwOEJGOTA2NzcwM0U2ODRD QUBtczAxLmRvLnRyZWFzLmdvdj4AAAAACwApAAAAAAALACMAAAAAAAMABhBgP38UAwAHENkBAAAD ABAQAAAAAAMAERAAAAAAHgAIEAEAAABlAAAASUxJVkVJTkZBSVJGQVhBTkRIQVZFQUZMQVRSRUFS VElSRU9OTVlTVVpVS0lCQU5ESVQ2MDBBU0FSRVNVTFRPRkFMTFRIRU5FR0FUSVZJVFlUT1dBUkRT UE9XRVItUklERSxDQQAAAAACAX8AAQAAAD0AAAA8RkY0MDJCRTUzMjc1RDQxMUJGMjcwMDUwOEJG OTA2NzcwM0U2ODRDQUBtczAxLmRvLnRyZWFzLmdvdj4AAAAA/Zg= ------_=_NextPart_000_01C1A5BD.881D7B40-- From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 25 12:46:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web11107.mail.yahoo.com (web11107.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.154]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g0PHk4i20677 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 12:46:04 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020125174603.36337.qmail@web11107.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.117.237.234] by web11107.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 09:46:03 PST Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 09:46:03 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: tire shopping To: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I suggest the Bridgestone BT020. It has a dual-compound rear tire, with more durable rubber in the center and stickier rubber on the sides. You'd get good mileage out of it as well as pretty good handling. I haven't used the BT020 yet, but have heard good things from those who have. Chris Weaver --- Michael.Brocchi@XXXXXX wrote: > I live in Fairfax and have a flat rear tire on my > Suzuki Bandit 600 > As a result of all the negativity towards > power-ride, can someone suggest a > place I can take my bike to get a tire and to have > it put on > 160/60-ZR17 is the tire that came on the bike, > anyone suggestions for a > replacement could help, I am not a racer, just > looking for a good all around > tire > I could also use some suggestions on taking off the > rear tire, as I am not > incredibly mechanically inclined, but I am capable > of using tools, now that > I've got this imposable thumb > > responses off list would be appreciated > > Thanks > > ATTACHMENT part 2 application/ms-tnef __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 25 13:19:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from DCHQCLEXHQ.fsis.usda.gov ([199.128.203.36]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0PIJTi21227 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 13:19:29 -0500 (EST) Received: by DCHQCLEXHQ with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 13:22:28 -0500 Message-ID: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F0666B1B6@DCHQCLEXHQ> From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Cc: "'pltrgyst@XXXXXX'" Subject: Mittens for winter riding? Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 13:22:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain FWIW. I bought a pair of mittens from Meyers Cycles in Kensington several years ago. They weren't in stock, but John checked his Tucker Rocky catalog, found two kinds, and ordered a pair of each. IIRC, the pair I bought are Fieldsheers. Much warmer than gloves but, haven't worn them this winter. The Gerbing electrics have spoiled me. You might try the same tactic or contact Fieldsheer: http://www.fieldsheer.com/v1/email.html Carl in Bethesda Commuting into your nation's capital since 1981 through sun, rain, over snow, and around road ragers. '85 VF700S (Rocin-ahorito); '83 VF700F (666) '97 Aerostich Roadcrafter (Fred the Red) Don't need no loud pipes; I got big honking tooters: http://members.tripod.com/~v65_magna/sos_99/sat_lunch2.jpg http://www.crosswinds.net/~denbrook/Motorcycles/Events/mmc-2-17-01/Carls_Sab re.jpg From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 25 13:41:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from DCHQCLEXHQ.fsis.usda.gov ([199.128.203.36]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0PIfCi21580 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 13:41:12 -0500 (EST) Received: by DCHQCLEXHQ with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 13:44:17 -0500 Message-ID: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F0666B1B7@DCHQCLEXHQ> From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Subject: Blinded by the light / loud pipes Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 13:44:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Matthew Patton protested, "But twice now in 2 days I've had bozos in the next lane (and just barely ahead of me) try to come into my lane. Even had a guy in a large pickup try it who was abreast of me. My motor was singing along at 4k RPM in all cases which is right where the sound starts to get nice and throaty. They arguably had PLENTY of warning, because we were cruising along at roughly the same speed." and Chris Norloff nagged, " . . .this passage is a good example of fixing a problem by causing a problem. The no. 1 problem is riding at "roughly the same speed" as a car you're beside. I think that's bad tactics, no matter what pipes, modulators or horns the bike has - there's nothing to physically prevent the cager from changing lanes into the bike." two snaps and an "amen" When they're " . . . just barely ahead . . .", thee may be in their blind spot. then Chris wistfully wished, "Yeah! What I'd really like is an ability to turn on a sound-maker that sounds like a-fully-loaded-semi-with-all-wheels-locked-and-air-horns-blaring. Should be worth a heart-attack or two from brain dead cagers!" Bingo, you wrote: " . . . air-horns-blaring." PepBoyz ~$25-30. They're not a substitute for lane placement and being visible -- but -- they're a handy augmentation to your safety. Sometimes a driver is inattentive and drifts toward you. A toot awakens them and they steer away from the sound. -- or maybe they're figgering they can nooge you because you're smaller. A healthy honk stimulates their reflexes to move away from that widow-maker they missed while concentrating on nooging the itsy bitsy bike. If they insist on taking your spot, have your escape plan ready. Carl in Bethesda Commuting into your nation's capital since 1981 through sun, rain, over snow, and around road ragers. '85 VF700S (Rocin-ahorito); '83 VF700F (666) '97 Aerostich Roadcrafter (Fred the Red) Don't need no loud pipes; I got big honking tooters: http://members.tripod.com/~v65_magna/sos_99/sat_lunch2.jpg http://www.crosswinds.net/~denbrook/Motorcycles/Events/mmc-2-17-01/Carls_Sab re.jpg From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 25 14:09:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0PJ9ai22102 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 14:09:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from firewall.dcc-racing.org (cable.dcc-racing.org [68.34.52.32]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id g0PJ9Zw32333 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 14:09:35 -0500 From: Brian Roach Reply-To: roach@XXXXXX To: Subject: SPAM: Bikes for sale Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 14:09:34 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0201251409340J.17767@firewall.dcc-racing.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Anyone looking for a new ride for this year, or knows someone looking for one, I'm clearing out the streetbike stable. 1999 Ducati 900ss. Yellow, full fairing (first year of current design), 6200 miles. Desmo check and adjust already done at 6k. Forza CF exhaust with power commander III. New Mich Pilot Sport tires put on at 5k miles. Clean, never raced, never dropped. $6000 1999 Harley-Davidson Dyna Low Rider (FXDL). Twin-cam 1450 motor, saddlebags, removable rear seat and backrest. Jet kit with Screaming eagle pipes. 4000k miles. $8000 Feel free to forward this to anyone, contact me via email. Thanks, - Roach From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 25 14:18:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from dgesmtp01.wcom.com (dgesmtp01.wcom.com [199.249.16.16]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0PJIQi22239 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 14:18:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42260) id <0GQI00B01DKOO4@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 19:17:12 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp01.wcomnet.com ([166.38.62.36]) by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42260) with ESMTP id <0GQI00A83DKNF0@XXXXXX>; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 19:17:12 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp01.wcomnet.com by pmismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with SMTP id <0GQI00301DKMDS@XXXXXX>; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 19:17:11 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.49]) by pmismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with ESMTP id <0GQI00MLEDKBI3@XXXXXX>; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 19:16:59 +0000 (GMT) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 14:16:54 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: SPAM: Bikes for sale To: roach@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3C51AF26.66512221@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <0201251409340J.17767@firewall.dcc-racing.org> Brian Roach wrote: > 1999 Harley-Davidson Dyna Low Rider (FXDL). Twin-cam 1450 motor, saddlebags, > removable rear seat and backrest. Jet kit with Screaming eagle pipes. 4000k > miles. > $8000 4000K miles? Wow, my helmets off to anyone who can put 4 million miles on a '99 Harley... :) Horkster -- MSL! SMG! (Chatty Moron TM's) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth AWSHIDT #322 - Completed. 99 Highway Signs! '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 25 14:23:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from pmesmtp02.wcom.com (pmesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.20.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0PJNNi22341 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 14:23:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42257) id <0GQI00501DUDDX@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 19:23:01 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp02.wcomnet.com ([166.38.62.37]) by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42257) with ESMTP id <0GQI003GGDUDXO@XXXXXX>; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 19:23:01 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp02.wcomnet.com by pmismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42259) with SMTP id <0GQI00101DU0S0@XXXXXX>; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 19:23:00 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.49]) by pmismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42259) with ESMTP id <0GQI00JQHDTXNB@XXXXXX>; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 19:22:46 +0000 (GMT) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 14:22:41 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Blinded by the light / loud pipes To: "Custer, Carl" Cc: "'DCCycles'" Message-id: <3C51B081.A37F3A92@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F0666B1B7@DCHQCLEXHQ> "Custer, Carl" wrote: > > Sometimes a driver is inattentive and drifts toward you. A toot > awakens them and they steer away from the sound. I wonder if there can be such a thing as "too much horn"? I once had a zoning driver in a Suzuki Sidekick steer himself up onto two wheels and nearly crash when I tooted my stock horns at him when he drifted into my lane. I shudder to think that he may have reacted even more strongly to louder horns... Horkster -- MSL! SMG! (Chatty Moron TM's) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth AWSHIDT #322 - Completed. 99 Highway Signs! '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 25 14:24:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0PJORi22347 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 14:24:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from firewall.dcc-racing.org (cable.dcc-racing.org [68.34.52.32]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id g0PJOOw32387; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 14:24:24 -0500 From: Brian Roach Reply-To: roach@XXXXXX To: Dale Horstman , roach@XXXXXX Subject: Re: SPAM: Bikes for sale Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 14:23:23 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX References: <0201251409340J.17767@firewall.dcc-racing.org> <3C51AF26.66512221@home.com> In-Reply-To: <3C51AF26.66512221@home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0201251423230M.17767@firewall.dcc-racing.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Friday 25 January 2002 14:16, Dale Horstman wrote: > 4000K miles? Wow, my helmets off to anyone who can put > 4 million miles on a '99 Harley... :) PPPpppptttbbbbtbtbtbtbtt. Ok, how about 4k instead? - Roach From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 25 14:24:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web13004.mail.yahoo.com (web13004.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.14]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g0PJOai22366 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 14:24:36 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020125192434.7035.qmail@web13004.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.101.4.236] by web13004.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 11:24:34 PST Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 11:24:34 -0800 (PST) From: Jeremy Purdy Subject: Re: A blast from the past... To: the.horkster@XXXXXX, alauro@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Wait a minute. What's wrong with bikes without centerstands? ;) --- Jeremy Purdy '00 Yamaha V-Star Classic Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 10:51:14 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: A blast from the past... To: Anita Lauro Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Accept-Language: en Anita Lauro wrote: > > Yup, Anita is still alive and kicking! :-) > > Well, I sure do see a lot of familiar names here! And, a loud pipes > discussion as well.. not much has changed since I dropped off the list a few > years back! :-) I've been thinking about numbering the threads...then we can all just sit around, and every now and then someone will post something like "Number 7!" and we'll all start bitching about bikes without centerstands. :) Did you happen to catch the thread about another former DCC'er, Brian McCoy, and his antics in Atlanta? Funny. :) > Anyhow.. nice to see so many people I know still on the list.. and maybe > we'll get to hook up for a ride sometime soon! Welcome back, Horkster -- MSL! SMG! (Chatty Moron TM's) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth AWSHIDT #322 - Completed. 99 Highway Signs! '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 25 14:28:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0PJSMi22490 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 14:28:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from firewall.dcc-racing.org (cable.dcc-racing.org [68.34.52.32]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id g0PJSKw32415; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 14:28:20 -0500 From: laura granato To: Brian Roach , Subject: Re: Speaking of track days... Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 14:28:19 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" References: <0201251041040I.17767@firewall.dcc-racing.org> In-Reply-To: <0201251041040I.17767@firewall.dcc-racing.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02012514281908.18641@firewall.dcc-racing.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Friday 25 January 2002 10:41, Brian Roach wrote: > Thought I'd mention re: NESBA Track Days - > > SpeedWerks has made a commitment to NESBA for the 2002 season. We'll be at > several NESBA events doing trackside support ... things like free > suspension setup, performance Q&A, etc. Of course, we're happy to sell you > stuff too :) > For those of you who don't know about speedwerks, they are awesome. they mostly deal with race bikes, but are a great contact for gear, helmets, painting, and stuff you need to ride. They helped turn my GS, which I thought wasn't sporty looking, into a bike that I absolutely love. They also have deals on bodywork and such. They are also great for giving good advice when you have questions. Brian and I are really good friends with the guys there and have helped a couple of list members get track day bikes, parts, etc. If you have any questions, just email me (or Brian) and we'll help you out! Laura From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 25 14:31:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from DCHQCLEXHQ.fsis.usda.gov ([199.128.203.36]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0PJVTi22565 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 14:31:29 -0500 (EST) Received: by DCHQCLEXHQ with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 14:34:33 -0500 Message-ID: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F0666B1BB@DCHQCLEXHQ> From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'Dale Horstman'" Cc: "'DCCycles'" Subject: RE: Blinded by the light / loud pipes Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 14:34:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Horkster hummed, "I wonder if there can be such a thing as "too much horn"? > I once had a zoning driver in a Suzuki Sidekick steer himself > up onto two wheels and nearly crash when I tooted my stock > horns at him when he drifted into my lane. I shudder to think > that he may have reacted even more strongly to louder horns... [Custer, Carl] Caveat cageri? Do try to not let them get too close. Tho I must confess to some amusing moments with my tooters, it was with the realization of some peril -- and the availability of generous escape options. Carl in Bethesda From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 25 14:34:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from pmesmtp02.wcom.com (pmesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.20.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0PJYQi22592 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 14:34:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42257) id <0GQI00901ED5XI@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 19:34:17 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp01.wcomnet.com ([166.38.62.36]) by firewall.wcom.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42257) with ESMTP id <0GQI004LQED53H@XXXXXX>; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 19:34:17 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp01.wcomnet.com by pmismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with SMTP id <0GQI00C01ECQ60@XXXXXX>; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 19:34:17 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.49]) by pmismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with ESMTP id <0GQI00A8AECOXI@XXXXXX>; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 19:34:01 +0000 (GMT) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 14:33:56 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: SPAM: Bikes for sale To: roach@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3C51B324.4F469189@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <0201251409340J.17767@firewall.dcc-racing.org> <3C51AF26.66512221@XXXXXX> <0201251423230M.17767@XXXXXX> Brian Roach wrote: > > On Friday 25 January 2002 14:16, Dale Horstman wrote: > > > 4000K miles? Wow, my helmets off to anyone who can put > > 4 million miles on a '99 Harley... :) > > PPPpppptttbbbbtbtbtbtbtt. > > Ok, how about 4k instead? Sure, a bike with that kinda mileage is probably still worth $4K just for bragging rights. Grinning, ducking, and running, Horkster -- MSL! SMG! (Chatty Moron TM's) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth AWSHIDT #322 - Completed. 99 Highway Signs! '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 25 14:36:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0PJaCi22680 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 14:36:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-235.patriot.net [209.249.180.235]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0PJa8v28790; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 14:36:08 -0500 Message-ID: <3C51B343.7277297D@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 14:34:27 -0500 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jeremy Purdy CC: the.horkster@XXXXXX, alauro@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: A blast from the past... References: <20020125192434.7035.qmail@web13004.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nothing. Belt drive and shaft drive have no need for a centerstand - no frigging chain to adjust - hahahahahaha... Luv mah belt drive Jeremy Purdy wrote: > Wait a minute. > > What's wrong with bikes without centerstands? ;) > > --- > Jeremy Purdy > '00 Yamaha V-Star Classic From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 25 14:46:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from laundry.annapurna.com (rob-0.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.145.59]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0PJkii22860 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 14:46:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from odinseat.annapurna.com (dhcp-3.it.hq.nasa.gov [131.182.119.243]) by laundry.annapurna.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g0PJfs802908 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 14:41:54 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from rob@XXXXXX) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020125142708.03e96ec0@mail.annapurna.com> X-Sender: rob@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 14:39:20 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Rob Winters Subject: Re: SPAM: Bikes for sale In-Reply-To: <3C51AF26.66512221@home.com> References: <0201251409340J.17767@firewall.dcc-racing.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 02:16 PM 1/25/2002, Dale Horstman wrote: >4000K miles? Wow, my helmets off to anyone who can put >4 million miles on a '99 Harley... :) Once you get up enough speed to break out of orbit, it's all downhill from there. :-) /// Rob From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 25 14:55:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from relay1.softcomca.com (relay.softcomca.com [168.144.1.67] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0PJt6i22979 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 14:55:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from m2w031 ([168.144.108.31]) by relay1.softcomca.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.3779); Fri, 25 Jan 2002 14:55:11 -0500 X-Originating-IP: 206.20.132.104 X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ Subject: RE: tire shopping Sender: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 14:55:22 -0500 To: "Michael.Brocchi@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: JMail 3.7.0 by Dimac (www.dimac.net) Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jan 2002 19:55:11.0356 (UTC) FILETIME=[329B0BC0:01C1A5DA] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-Printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g0PJu9i22980 Michael, 1. Chris Weaver recommendeded the Bridgestone BT-020. If you're just doing "general" riding, it's a great tire that will last a long while. If you're willing to give up a little tire life for a little more grip, look at the BT-010. I admit to being very partial to Bridgestones, as I've used their BT-56SS (very sticky sportbike tire) on my RIP GSXR and now on my FZR. 2. Best prices I've seen for Bridgestones (and most other tire brands) is Chaparral http://www.chaparral-racing.com/chaparral/assets/html/homepage.asp?URLCheck=1. They seem to be perpetually on sale at prices no one else can touch (and yes, I've bought tires from them). I know others on the list have been happy with Tire Express http://www.tireexpress.com, but they're not taking orders right now (according to their website). 3. If you live in Northern Virginia and are looking for a shop that has done right by me (and others on the list), try Crossroads Cycles in Bailey's Crossroads (Falls Church). (703) 820-3700. Talk to Denny, who is the owner. Tell him Chuck referred you. They're not perfect (no shop is), but my experience has been that they're honest and fair. Chuck Original Message: ----------------- From: Michael.Brocchi@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 11:29:59 -0500 To: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Subject: tire shopping I live in Fairfax and have a flat rear tire on my Suzuki Bandit 600 As a result of all the negativity towards power-ride, can someone suggest a place I can take my bike to get a tire and to have it put on 160/60-ZR17 is the tire that came on the bike, anyone suggestions for a replacement could help, I am not a racer, just looking for a good all around tire I could also use some suggestions on taking off the rear tire, as I am not incredibly mechanically inclined, but I am capable of using tools, now that I've got this imposable thumb responses off list would be appreciated Thanks -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 25 15:18:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0PKIei23419 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 15:18:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-117-161.s415.tnt10.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.117.161] helo=palladio1) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16UCo1-0006bs-00; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 15:18:38 -0500 Message-ID: <009701c1a5de$1f2dc2e0$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Dale Horstman" Cc: "dc-cycles list" References: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F0666B1B7@DCHQCLEXHQ> <3C51B081.A37F3A92@home.com> Subject: Re: Blinded by the light / loud pipes Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 15:09:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Heck, I'm usually amazed when they hear my "meep-meep" Roadrunner-style stock horn over the radio, the kids, their general stupefaction, etc. More often than not I get dirty looks when I give 'em a "courtesy toot." At least they see me now. Case in point, clueless station wagon driver, GW Pkwy, this morning. Her left blinker was on for at least half a mile. I passed on the left and gave her a toot just to take sure she wasn't going to finally execute that passing maneuver. She glared at me like I'd just kicked her pet. Speaking of loud pipes, a buddy of mine has a loud Two Bros. pipe on his VFR. He passed me once at a rather spirited pace and mid-pass downshifted that thing to accelerate hard. BRRRRAP! Gave me a bit of a jolt since I wasn't expecting it. I'd hate to think what a mommy van driver would have done. Spilled latte for sure and maybe a soiled undergarment. Paul in DC 95 VFR705F - 86 VF500F ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dale Horstman" > "Custer, Carl" wrote: > > > > Sometimes a driver is inattentive and drifts toward you. A toot > > awakens them and they steer away from the sound. > > I wonder if there can be such a thing as "too much horn"? I > once had a zoning driver in a Suzuki Sidekick steer himself > up onto two wheels and nearly crash when I tooted my stock > horns at him when he drifted into my lane. I shudder to think > that he may have reacted even more strongly to louder horns... > > Horkster From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 25 15:29:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from gecko.troutman.org ([209.120.170.19]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0PKTKi23616 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 15:29:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from TROUTMAN.wheatintl.com (client100.re.wheatintl.com [209.120.170.100]) by gecko.troutman.org (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g0PKTCv12461 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 15:29:12 -0500 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020125152816.01d5dea8@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 15:29:00 -0500 To: dc-cycles From: Troutman Subject: Re: Blinded by the light / loud pipes In-Reply-To: <009701c1a5de$1f2dc2e0$bb82fea9@palladio1> References: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F0666B1B7@DCHQCLEXHQ> <3C51B081.A37F3A92@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 03:09 PM 1/25/2002, you wrote: >Speaking of loud pipes, a buddy of mine has a loud Two Bros. pipe on his >VFR. He passed me once at a rather spirited pace and mid-pass downshifted >that thing to accelerate hard. BRRRRAP! Gave me a bit of a jolt since I >wasn't expecting it. I'd hate to think what a mommy van driver would have >done. Spilled latte for sure and maybe a soiled undergarment. She would have dropped her cell phone and stopped changing that dirty diaper for sure. The V4 was made for an open pipe.... ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 25 15:41:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0PKf6i23786 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 15:41:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-49-220.s474.tnt5.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.49.220] helo=palladio1) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16UD9k-0000dP-00; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 15:41:05 -0500 Message-ID: <00dd01c1a5e1$401dbd40$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc-cycles list" Cc: References: Subject: Re: tire shopping Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 15:44:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Michael, You wrote about DIY tire changing. For the price of 4 or 5 tire irons, homemade balancer (2x4s and a threaded rod, unless you have one of those dastardly single-sided swingarms, like on the VFR) and a bead breaker (you can make one yourself or buy one of those "C" clamp deals) tire changing is an easy DIY operation. Use a nearby service station's air compressor to seat your beads. This site has all the info for DIY tire changing. http://www.clarity.net/~adam/tire-changing-doc.html I'll second Chuck's recommendation about Chaparral as a tire source. Good prices, prompt shipping and generally a pleasant to deal with. The tires I gotten from them are "fresh" too. I worry sometimes about discounters trying to fob off old tires they got cheap from a dealership or distributor that went belly up or something. I bought a set of tires for the VFR from them and changed 'em myself. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael, 2. Best prices I've seen for Bridgestones (and most other tire brands) is Chaparral http://www.chaparral-racing.com/chaparral/assets/html/homepage.asp?URLCheck= 1. From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 25 15:51:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net (swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.123]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0PKpVi24127 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 15:51:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from washdc3-ar2-184-082.washdc3.dsl.gtei.net ([4.3.184.82] helo=llarson.xhost.org) by swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16UDJk-00070r-00; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 12:51:24 -0800 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020125154144.00b04e60@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 15:52:15 -0500 To: "Kevin Bechtel" , From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: New Bikes In-Reply-To: <002801c1a54a$a86d8fc0$65b5c943@computer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_164602996==_.ALT" --=====================_164602996==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 09:47 PM 1/24/2002, Kevin Bechtel wrote: >For anyone who's interested, MFI has a new 919 and a new Interceptor on >the floor Not any more -- the 919 is now in my garage, with 30 miles on the clock. 8;) (and, BTW, my GS500 has been sold.) Gobs of low end, very comfortable, smooth, and quiet. The exhaust shields for the underseat pipes actually work very well -- they barely get warm. It will get a flyscreen/windshield as soon as they're available. The only negative noted so far is the six-speed -- the close ratios are a waste on this bike with this much torque. It drives like a four-speed with two useless shifts required just to annoy you. The first time up through the gears I thought the gearbox wasn't shifting, they're that close. I guess I'll get used to it. For anyone who's interested, the VFR at MFI is an ABS model, and they don't have a hard deposit on it yet. It was tempting, but I'd have had to get rid of the Aprilia to buy it, and given a choice of one or the other, I'd still take the Aprilia. The VFR is a beauty, though, and the gearbox feels buttery smooth, snickety-snick heaven. If it came in the flat black of the 919 I probably wouldn't have been able to resist. Regards, Larry '01 Aprilia Mille SL Falco '02 Honda 919 (backup and commuter bike) 84 Interceptor 500 (small emergency backup bike) ------------------ '01 Suzuki GS500 (dearly departed, dependable small emergency backup bike to the small emergency backup bike) --=====================_164602996==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" At 09:47 PM 1/24/2002, Kevin Bechtel wrote:
For anyone who's interested, MFI has a new 919 and a new Interceptor on the floor

Not any more -- the 919 is now in my garage, with 30 miles on the clock. 8;)

(and, BTW, my GS500 has been sold.)

Gobs of low end, very comfortable, smooth, and quiet. The exhaust shields
for the underseat pipes actually work very well -- they barely get warm. It will
get a flyscreen/windshield as soon as they're available. The only negative
noted so far is the six-speed -- the close ratios are a waste on this bike with
this much torque. It drives like a four-speed with two useless shifts required
just to annoy you. The first time up through the gears I thought the gearbox
wasn't shifting, they're that close. I guess I'll get used to it.

For anyone who's interested, the VFR at MFI is an ABS model, and
they don't have a hard deposit on it yet. It was tempting, but I'd have had to
get rid of the Aprilia to buy it, and given a choice of one or the other, I'd still
take the Aprilia. The VFR is a beauty, though, and the gearbox feels buttery
smooth, snickety-snick heaven. If it came in the flat black of the 919 I probably
wouldn't have been able to resist.

Regards,
Larry

'01 Aprilia Mille SL Falco
'02 Honda 919 (backup and commuter bike)
84 Interceptor 500 (small emergency backup bike)
------------------
'01 Suzuki GS500 (dearly departed, dependable small emergency backup bike to the small emergency backup bike)






--=====================_164602996==_.ALT-- From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 25 15:51:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from DCHQCLEXHQ.fsis.usda.gov ([199.128.203.36]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0PKpii24130 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 15:51:44 -0500 (EST) Received: by DCHQCLEXHQ with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 15:54:49 -0500 Message-ID: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F0666B1BC@DCHQCLEXHQ> From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Cc: "'PenguinBiker@XXXXXX'" Subject: Blinded by the light Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 15:54:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Niv noted, " . . .In W.W.II they actually experimented (I'm not sure if this was ever operational) with camouflaging some aircraft by covering the bottom side of the wings with many small lights making them HARDER to see against a bright sky." and Strang shyly said, "I was going to mention this...but the conversation didn't seem to need interrupting. They also tried to match the brightness of ships to the brightness of the horizon. This removed the silhouette of the dark ship against the background sky." I recall reading several decades ago about using large lights on hunter aircraft in WWI. The lights were used to match the luminosity of the background sky. This gave the attacking aircraft additional time to get closer for a more lethal attack. You ever So, I guess the gist of Long John's argument against driving lights is: There are circumstances where your lights would match the luminosity of the sky behind you thus rendering you invisible. What I had attempted to reply was: Yes, but -- there are far more circumstances where additional lights make you more conspicuous. In any case, I will continue to run my lights (one spot, one fog). 1. I believe they increase my conspicuity 2. They do brighten up dark roads nicely 3. The battery requires less water (Permanent magnet Honda) 4. When the headlight zonked, it was nice to still have illumination (a drawback to the modulator) 5. The oncoming profile my a bike is vertical (despite my girth), the lights add width. Last Tuesday John replied to "GBruhl@XXXXXX writes: > The sun is extremely bright, many times brighter than a mere flashlight. So > bright in fact that, drivers are often observed " with "Your point states the obvious, that drivers (Of all kinds) are often blinded by the sun. But again it misses my point. The only thing the person looking into the sun is likely to see is bright light, that will always be true. The only thing they _may_ see is your dark silhouette hidden in the light. It does _no_ good to cut a hole in that silhouette by running another light in the "middle" of it. (I wish I could draw on this thing, I think I could illustrate it easily.)" Hugh hmmmed, "I wonder how much the use of various devices to make you more visible adversly affects the visibility of those that don't use them." It's like the old punch line: "I don't have to outrun the bear, I only have to outrun you." Carl in Bethesda (headed for the forest) From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 25 16:10:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web14605.mail.yahoo.com (web14605.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.85]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g0PLAsi24434 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 16:10:54 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020125211052.73239.qmail@web14605.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [168.103.160.240] by web14605.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 13:10:52 PST Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 13:10:52 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: tire shopping To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX, "Michael.Brocchi@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" wrote: > 2. Best prices I've seen for Bridgestones (and most > other tire brands) is Chaparral > http://www.chaparral-racing.com/chaparral/assets/html/homepage.asp?URLCheck=1. > They seem to be perpetually on sale at prices no one > else can touch (and yes, I've bought tires from them). I > know others on the list have been happy with Tire Express > http://www.tireexpress.com, but they're not taking orders > right now (according to their website). chuck, fyi: dennis kirk will match the chapparal price (actually, they'll beat it by $1) and, in my experience, they have lower shipping charges on tires. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 25 17:09:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from relay3.softcomca.com ([168.144.1.70]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0PM9ti25389 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 17:09:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from m2w063 ([168.144.108.63]) by relay3.softcomca.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.2966); Fri, 25 Jan 2002 17:10:00 -0500 X-Originating-IP: 206.20.132.104 X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ Subject: RE: RE: tire shopping Sender: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 17:10:00 -0500 To: "t_gimer@XXXXXX" , "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" , "michael.brocchi@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: JMail 3.7.0 by Dimac (www.dimac.net) Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jan 2002 22:10:00.0585 (UTC) FILETIME=[08296F90:01C1A5ED] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-Printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g0PMB1i25390 I forgot about Dennis Kirk's policy. Definitely worth checking to see if they have what you're looking for in stock. Also shows the disparity in pricing between various mail/web order. Last DK catalog I had showed Bridgestones (all models) at considerably higher prices than Chapparal. BTW, do you just tell Dennis Kirk that you've seen the same item for less someplace else? Or do they require some other form of proof? Ad in magazine? Website? Original Message: ----------------- From: Tom Gimer t_gimer@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 13:10:52 -0800 (PST) To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX, Michael.Brocchi@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: tire shopping --- "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" wrote: > 2. Best prices I've seen for Bridgestones (and most > other tire brands) is Chaparral > http://www.chaparral-racing.com/chaparral/assets/html/homepage.asp?URLCheck=1. > They seem to be perpetually on sale at prices no one > else can touch (and yes, I've bought tires from them). I > know others on the list have been happy with Tire Express > http://www.tireexpress.com, but they're not taking orders > right now (according to their website). chuck, fyi: dennis kirk will match the chapparal price (actually, they'll beat it by $1) and, in my experience, they have lower shipping charges on tires. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 25 17:51:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r07.mx.aol.com (imo-r07.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.103]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0PMpgi26101 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 17:51:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from PenguinBiker@XXXXXX by imo-r07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.26.) id 2.b9.1a8eae1a (4116) for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 17:51:20 -0500 (EST) From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 17:51:19 EST Subject: Re: Blinded by the light / loud pipes To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 1/25/2002 10:06:55 AM Eastern Standard Time, bernescut@XXXXXX writes: > Who is General Failure Um I think you answered your own question there. NHTSA! John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European is now necessary {and I still like it.}) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 25 18:48:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web14604.mail.yahoo.com (web14604.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.84]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g0PNmmi26922 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 18:48:48 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020125234846.49609.qmail@web14604.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [168.103.160.240] by web14604.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 15:48:46 PST Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 15:48:46 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: RE: tire shopping To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" wrote: > I forgot about Dennis Kirk's policy. Definitely worth > checking to see if they have what you're looking for in > stock. Also shows the disparity in pricing between > various mail/web order. Last DK catalog I had showed > Bridgestones (all models) at considerably higher prices > than Chapparal. > > BTW, do you just tell Dennis Kirk that you've seen the > same item for less someplace else? Or do they require > some other form of proof? Ad in magazine? Website? they ask for magazine, issue, and page number -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 25 18:52:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0PNqni27004 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 18:52:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from dialup-64.157.63.201.dial1.washington1.level3.net ([64.157.63.201] helo=michael) by hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16UG9C-0003ub-00; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 15:52:42 -0800 Message-ID: <025201c1a5fb$62125ef0$66defea9@michael> Reply-To: "Michael Jordan" From: "Michael Jordan" To: , "Troutman" References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020124235922.02aa5ec0@mail.troutman.org> Subject: Re: Deer Strike Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 18:52:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 I left Cycle Sport about 17:45, hung a right on Grant and thought "That's an awfully big dog" Yup - a doe - 50 yards from Elden St. in the middle of Herndon Yer not safe anywhere Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 25 20:37:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net (pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.122]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0Q1bEi28561 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 20:37:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from washdc3-ar2-184-082.washdc3.dsl.gtei.net ([4.3.184.82] helo=llarson.xhost.org) by pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16UHmK-0003Du-00; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 17:37:12 -0800 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020125202431.00b04e60@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 20:38:03 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Troutman , "Kevin Bechtel" From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: New Bikes In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020125162628.01d5bdd0@mail.troutman.org> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20020125154144.00b04e60@mail.9netave.com> <002801c1a54a$a86d8fc0$65b5c943@computer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Troutman wrote: > Congrats Larry. Looks like a sweet ride. and "Kevin Bechtel" wrote": > Kudos to you! At least I got to sit on it before you bought it. Thanks. So that's why the seat's so flat! I should have asked them for another fifty bucks off... Actually, any kudos should go to my friend Chris Leithiser, (he of the '98 Superhawk -- and the of South Park Kenny-like 'Stich --, whom some of you met at a couple of last year's Bike Nights), who had the foresight to plunk down the $500 deposit for the first spot on the MFI 919 list, but who didn't care for the flat black finish. His poor taste was my gain (only kidding, Chris!) Looks like he's actually settled on a red 900 Monster. Also, the people at MFI seem pretty decent, especially if a lot of your recent dealings have been with a certain lousy dealership whose name rhymes with putrified. We'll probably see you all at BN on the 16th. Regards, Larry '01 Aprilia Mille SL Falco '02 Honda 919 (backup and commuter bike) 84 Interceptor 500 (small emergency backup bike) ------------------ '01 Suzuki GS500 (dearly departed, dependable small emergency backup bike to the small emergency backup bike) From dc-cycles-request Sat Jan 26 00:29:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp2.abac.com (smtp2.abac.com [216.55.128.11]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0Q5TRi01950 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 00:29:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from apnHOFOJOKO (07-102.068.popsite.net [64.24.90.102]) by smtp2.abac.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 2A7891C75BF for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 21:29:23 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <001701c1a62a$a3b88260$665a1840@apnHOFOJOKO> From: "Howard J. Koontz" To: Subject: Dude, WTF!!! Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 00:30:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Hey, Is this for real? Is this what we thought would happen from a Suzuki-Kawasaki alliance? Is that laughter I hear from both Honda and Yamaha? Strange brewings are afoot... http://wark-www.motorcyclenews.com/news/detail?sectionID=212131&documentID=1 28767&pageNum=1 Howard J. Koontz 2001 Harley Davidson FLHT Electra Glide Standard 1972 Honda Z50AK3 Mini Trail Resto Project From dc-cycles-request Sat Jan 26 08:29:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web14601.mail.yahoo.com (web14601.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.79]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g0QDTBi11308 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 08:29:11 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020126132910.16742.qmail@web14601.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [138.88.42.71] by web14601.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 05:29:10 PST Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 05:29:10 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Dude, WTF!!! To: "Howard J. Koontz" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <001701c1a62a$a3b88260$665a1840@apnHOFOJOKO> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- "Howard J. Koontz" wrote: > Hey, > Is this for real? Is this what we thought would > happen from a > Suzuki-Kawasaki alliance? Is that laughter I hear from > both Honda and > Yamaha? Strange brewings are afoot... > >[link to story of possible replacement of zx7r w/ gsx-r750] i tell you what.... only then would i actually consider buying a zx7r. the fact that kawa felt no need to put out a new model of this bike (for the u.s.?) for SEVEN years (and counting) is what's really funny. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sat Jan 26 10:28:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0QFSpi13029 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 10:28:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from firewall.dcc-racing.org (cable.dcc-racing.org [68.34.52.32]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id g0QFSbw02229; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 10:28:37 -0500 From: Brian Roach Reply-To: roach@XXXXXX To: Tom Gimer , "Howard J. Koontz" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Dude, WTF!!! Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 10:28:36 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <20020126132910.16742.qmail@web14601.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20020126132910.16742.qmail@web14601.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02012610283608.19433@firewall.dcc-racing.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Saturday 26 January 2002 08:29, Tom Gimer wrote: > i tell you what.... only then would i actually consider > buying a zx7r. the fact that kawa felt no need to put out > a new model of this bike (for the u.s.?) for SEVEN years > (and counting) is what's really funny. I don't think it was a "no need" situation... it was more like a "we give up" situation. Suzuki was so donimant in 750 sales that Honda and Yamaha quit trying to compete, and Kawa just sorta said "Well, if you want one... we sell one". All the R&D was already paid for and if someone REALLY wanted a ZX7R, they could buy one. ::shrug:: - Roach From dc-cycles-request Sat Jan 26 10:49:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web20103.mail.yahoo.com (web20103.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.40]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g0QFnui13327 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 10:49:56 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020126154954.98575.qmail@web20103.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.28.205.82] by web20103.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 07:49:54 PST Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 07:49:54 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: Dude, WTF!!! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <001701c1a62a$a3b88260$665a1840@apnHOFOJOKO> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I think it's rather unfortunate that SUZ was the one they selected. Arent' the ergo's on the Kawi vastly better than the gsxr? better than the CBR even? Kawi is still running the 7 in WSB afaik. They should have simply bored it out like Honda did with the 929 if they thought it was lacking in the 'sex' department. that way we'd have a variety of 600 crotch rockets to choose from, a more relaxed rocket and the insane liter bikes to choose from. Now all we have is the same bike in 3 different CC's. doesn't make sense to me. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sat Jan 26 11:19:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0QGJHi13778 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 11:19:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from firewall.dcc-racing.org (cable.dcc-racing.org [68.34.52.32]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id g0QGJAw02331; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 11:19:10 -0500 From: Brian Roach Reply-To: roach@XXXXXX To: matthew patton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Dude, WTF!!! Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 11:19:10 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <20020126154954.98575.qmail@web20103.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20020126154954.98575.qmail@web20103.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0201261119100B.19433@firewall.dcc-racing.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Saturday 26 January 2002 10:49, matthew patton wrote: > Kawi is still running the 7 in WSB afaik. ::duh:: There's your answer - homologation rules. >They should > have simply bored it out like Honda did with the 929 if they thought it > was lacking in the 'sex' department. that way we'd have a variety of > 600 crotch rockets to choose from, a more relaxed rocket and the insane > liter bikes to choose from. Now all we have is the same bike in 3 > different CC's. doesn't make sense to me. They still make the ZX9R, don't they? Kawasaki simply has fallen behind the curve when it comes to being "biggest, baddest". I don't follow them much, so I can't say why they haven't revamped their product line. I do know that after riding a '00 ZX6R (in '00) that it would make a great street bike - very neutral and more comfortable than the R6 or GSXR. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Sat Jan 26 14:32:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0QJWsi16449 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 14:32:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from firewall.dcc-racing.org (cable.dcc-racing.org [68.34.52.32]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id g0QJWrw02691 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 14:32:53 -0500 From: laura granato To: "dc cycles" Subject: M/C For Sale Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 14:32:53 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0201261432530F.18641@firewall.dcc-racing.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Terrific beginner bike for sale...and no other one looks like this! 1999 GS500E approx 3500 miles yellow and black full body work aftermarket exhaust (hindle) aftermarket handle bars never been wrecked all services performed, maintained by professional race shop mostly garage kept $3500 can also buy cover (almost brand new) -$45 If interested, contact me. :-) Laura From dc-cycles-request Sat Jan 26 21:51:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from hall.mail.mindspring.net (hall.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0R2pwi22618 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 21:51:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from dialup-63.215.156.156.dial1.washington1.level3.net ([63.215.156.156] helo=ix.netcom.com) by hall.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16UfQ3-0002Kn-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 21:51:47 -0500 Message-ID: <3C536A3C.4030402@ix.netcom.com> Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 21:47:24 -0500 From: Chuck and Karen Pena Reply-To: the_penas@XXXXXX User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Winter Bike Night on the web page Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The Bike Night web page has been updated and has an announcement for the February 16th Bike Night at CarPool. http://www.geocities.com/bikenight Chuck From dc-cycles-request Sat Jan 26 22:39:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net (avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.50]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0R3dDi23274 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 22:39:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from washdc3-ar2-184-082.washdc3.dsl.gtei.net ([4.3.184.82] helo=llarson.xhost.org) by avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16Ug9h-0001aa-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 19:38:57 -0800 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020126223701.00afa3a0@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: pltrgyst@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 22:39:49 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Larry Larson Subject: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed For anyone who might be interested, Powerslime in Falls Church has both a 919 and a new ABS VFR on the floor, unspoken for. Powerslime in Springfield has a Hailwood Duc and a Bostrom on the floor, as well as a Corse Monster 900S. Sadly, the 98 Pacific Coast with 5K miles is gone. Regards, -- Larry '01 Aprilia Mille SL Falco '02 Honda 919 / Hornet 900 (backup and commuter bike) 84 Interceptor 500 (small emergency backup bike) From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 27 00:12:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from rhino.spottedcat.com (IDENT:root@[63.91.14.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0R5CVi24604 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 00:12:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (hcaldwell@localhost) by rhino.spottedcat.com (8.11.6/8.8.7) with ESMTP id g0R5CGi25297 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 00:12:17 -0500 Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 00:12:16 -0500 (EST) From: hcaldwell X-Sender: hcaldwell@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Dude, WTF!!! In-Reply-To: <20020126132910.16742.qmail@web14601.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Is it any funnier then Yamaha not even making a 750cc class sportbike for the street? Kawasaki still manages to win races with it and it's sweet looking. Actually it's brutal looking but I'm kind of sweet on it. Hugh On Sat, 26 Jan 2002, Tom Gimer wrote: > i tell you what.... only then would i actually consider > buying a zx7r. the fact that kawa felt no need to put out > a new model of this bike (for the u.s.?) for SEVEN years > (and counting) is what's really funny. > From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 27 07:47:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from web14604.mail.yahoo.com (web14604.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.84]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id g0RClfi01381 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 07:47:42 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020127124740.46748.qmail@web14604.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [138.88.40.170] by web14604.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 04:47:40 PST Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 04:47:40 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: M/C For Sale To: laura granato , dc cycles In-Reply-To: <0201261432530F.18641@firewall.dcc-racing.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii what happened? did one or both of you pick up a heroin habit? --- laura granato wrote: > Terrific beginner bike for sale...and no other one looks > like this! > > 1999 GS500E > approx 3500 miles > yellow and black > full body work > aftermarket exhaust (hindle) > aftermarket handle bars > never been wrecked > all services performed, maintained by professional race > shop > mostly garage kept > $3500 > > can also buy cover (almost brand new) -$45 > > If interested, contact me. :-) > > Laura __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 27 12:28:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0RHSji05664 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 12:28:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from firewall.dcc-racing.org (cable.dcc-racing.org [68.34.52.32]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id g0RHSfw10073; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 12:28:42 -0500 From: Brian Roach Reply-To: roach@XXXXXX To: Tom Gimer , dc cycles Subject: Re: M/C For Sale Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 12:28:41 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <20020127124740.46748.qmail@web14604.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20020127124740.46748.qmail@web14604.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0201271228410G.19433@firewall.dcc-racing.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Sunday 27 January 2002 07:47, Tom Gimer wrote: > what happened? > > did one or both of you pick up a heroin habit? Worse... Racing and track days. I put a grand total of about 40 miles on my street bikes this year, Laura didn't even ride hers. The Aprilias, on the other hand, have almost 2000 miles a piece on them, and the truck now has 46k :) - Roach From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 27 17:23:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0RMNQi10091 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 17:23:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from washdc3-ar2-184-082.washdc3.dsl.gtei.net ([4.3.184.82] helo=llarson.xhost.org) by hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16Uxho-00052E-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 14:23:20 -0800 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020127172155.00b34940@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: pltrgyst@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 17:24:14 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Larry Larson Subject: Clinton and Aprilia Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed For anyone who's interested, there are some good buys to be had on new 2001 Aprilias at Clinton Cycles, which is dropping their Aprilia dealership. Regards, -- Larry '01 Aprilia Mille SL Falco '02 Honda 919 / Hornet 900 (backup and commuter bike) 84 Interceptor 500 (small emergency backup bike) From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 27 20:11:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from fc.Capaccess.org (fc.capaccess.org [151.200.199.53]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0S1Bmi12776 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 20:11:48 -0500 (EST) Message-id: Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 20:10:37 -0500 Subject: retro rocket To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "garcia oliver" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Retro rocket report: Last summer the electronic ignition (Dyna-S) on my main machine (1978 GS-750) died on the return leg of a trip to WV---last hundred miles was sometimes 4 cylinders, sometime 2. No fun at all. Replaced it with an old PerLux unit I had lying around, but could never get it to work right. Called PerLux. Customer service rep said they never made any such product. He eventually agreed to ask further and found that their oldest engineer remembered vaguely that they had---two decades ago. No help/parts to be had there. After a series of entertaining repair experiments (in one, I wired and glued a magnet to the crankshaft to use as a trigger. Actually got it to work for a few minutes before the assembly disintegrated.). I then installed an ignition-points assembly (remember them?) which I had thoughtfully squirreled away. Unlabelled, of course. But probably even a Suzuki unit (i.e., it fits without mods) . Results? Reliable sparks! Disadvantages: (1) gotta adjust points every 1000-2000 miles (takes M-=--1 hr, depending on how finicky I want to be). (2) Point bounce limits revs to maybe 7-8000 rpm. Advantages: (1) Unlike electronic ignitions, you can fix points on the side of the road with no more than bikeM-^Rs toolkit; (2) If you travel to areas of the world where replacement parts are really scarce, thereM-^Rs a lot to be said for repairable low-tech (points ignition, kick start, non-vacuum petcock, tube tires, spoke rims, mild steel handlebars, clamp-on mirrors, etc.) components. --garcia M-^SEventually, we must all give up hope for a better yesterday.M-^T From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 27 20:15:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from fc.Capaccess.org (fc.capaccess.org [151.200.199.53]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0S1FTi12909 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 20:15:29 -0500 (EST) Message-id: Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 20:14:29 -0500 Subject: mc stuff for sale/giveaway/wanted To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "garcia oliver" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Free: 1985 (?) Virago 700. Includes rolling chassis with engine. Good wheels, tires, suspension, frame, engine/transmission/shaft. Bike comes without electrics, carbs, brakes. Engine is missing starter gears and clutch (I think). Been sitting several years in a garage. No title. NW DC near Tenley. Cheap: KZ 400/440. Put together from three dead bikes. Ran ok last summer, but neglected since then. No title. Best offer. DC near Zoo. 1978 KZ 650. Tempermental starting, but runs fine otherwise and looks good, too. On Friday, this bike started on the fourth kick, after sitting since September. Other days last summer you could sometimes kick 20 times without a peep. From the bike, anyhow. Has working electric starter, but kick seems to work better. In any case: 23k mi, new tires, Kerker (I think) exhaust. Broken tach cable. Best offer over $500. DC near Zoo. Wanted: 81-82 Virago 750 parts or parts bike. (Horkster---don't even ask.) From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 27 21:23:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m06.mx.aol.com (imo-m06.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.161]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0S2Nxi13934 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 21:23:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo-m06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.26.) id m.148.882b196 (17380); Sun, 27 Jan 2002 21:23:20 -0500 (EST) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Message-ID: <148.882b196.29861017@aol.com> Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 21:23:19 EST Subject: Re: SPAM: Bikes for sale To: roach@XXXXXX, the.horkster@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_148.882b196.29861017_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10556 --part1_148.882b196.29861017_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 1/25/2002 2:26:04 PM Eastern Standard Time,=20 roach@XXXXXX writes: > On Friday 25 January 2002 14:16, Dale Horstman wrote: >=20 > > 4000K miles? Wow, my helmets off to anyone who can put > > 4 million miles on a '99 Harley... :) >=20 > PPPpppptttbbbbtbtbtbtbtt. >=20 > Ok, how about 4k instead? >=20 >=20 Try this. :-=DE - - - It looks better. Hold Alt and hit 0 three times and then 2 three times for the tongue effect.= =20 ;-) BTW, I thought 4 million miles was pretty good also. hehe Scooter (2000 r/w/b YZF R6) --part1_148.882b196.29861017_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 1/25/2= 002 2:26:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, roach@XXXXXX writes:


On Friday 25 January 2002 1= 4:16, Dale Horstman wrote:

> 4000K miles?  Wow, my helmets off to anyone who can put
> 4 million miles on a '99 Harley...  :)

PPPpppptttbbbbtbtbtbtbtt.

Ok, how about 4k instead?



Try this.  :-=DE - - -  It looks better.

Hold Alt and hit 0 three times and then 2 three times for the tongue eff= ect.  ;-)

BTW, I thought 4 million miles was pretty good also.  hehe

Scooter (2000 r/w/b YZF R6) --part1_148.882b196.29861017_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 27 21:30:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0S2U8i14071 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 21:30:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from firewall.dcc-racing.org (cable.dcc-racing.org [68.34.52.32]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id g0S2U5w11004; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 21:30:06 -0500 From: laura granato To: Tom Gimer , dc cycles Subject: Re: M/C For Sale Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 21:30:05 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <20020127124740.46748.qmail@web14604.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20020127124740.46748.qmail@web14604.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0201272130050L.18641@firewall.dcc-racing.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Sunday 27 January 2002 07:47, Tom Gimer wrote: > what happened? > > did one or both of you pick up a heroin habit? > Heroin would definitely be a lot cheaper! Laura From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 27 23:13:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from smtp2.abac.com (smtp2.abac.com [216.55.128.11]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0S4DDi15568 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 23:13:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from apnHOFOJOKO (07-121.068.popsite.net [64.24.90.121]) by smtp2.abac.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 287E21C7693 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 20:13:10 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <001c01c1a7b2$53d0e1a0$2f5b1840@apnHOFOJOKO> From: "Howard J. Koontz" To: Subject: Other Bike Night venues? Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 23:13:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Hey, Are there any plans for any bike night/days at a venue on the gun-hating side of the Potomac (Sorry to infuse a rant, just got the bad news on the new firearms purchasing procedures here in the People's Republic of MD. I'm moving to Texas, I swear it.)? Maybe that place in Bethesda again? Or Rockville? Silver Spring? Frederick? On a prettier note, riding today was grand in the Ol' Dominion State. Some friends and I did about 250 miles. I wonder if we saw any DCC'ers and didn't know it? We went from Fred-neck to Front Royal, down 522, 211 up and down to Luray, back to Front Royal via ??? (11 I think) then home. 211 was (as always) fun, but a fair amount of sand about half way up to Skyline at the summit. Saw what looked like a wreck on the down side. A couple of Hondas stopped around a patch of rustled-up leaves on the side of the road. I guess someone went up there to "Slay the Lizard" and it bit back. Prior to that, we ate lunch at the Mtn. Side Inn or whatever. It was a full-on biker joint when we were there! A great day, mid-70s, tons of bikes out today. Like a May Saturday, not a January Sunday. Saw my first V-rod on the road today. To me, they're like tattoos: they look cool on other people, but they're not for me. See y'all out there. Howard J. Koontz 2001 Harley Davidson FLHT Electra Glide Standard 1972 Honda Z50AK3 Mini Trail Resto Project From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 27 23:20:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0S4Kgi15715 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 23:20:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA20262 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 23:20:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtprelay6.dc2.adelphia.net (smtprelay6.dc2.adelphia.net [64.8.50.38]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA22962 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 23:20:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from d478406837 ([216.174.23.189]) by smtprelay6.dc2.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GQMS2800.J6G for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 23:20:32 -0500 From: "Gary Foreman" To: "'DC-Cycles Mailing List'" Subject: Have Motor - NEED BIKE! Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 23:19:39 -0500 Message-ID: <002f01c1a7b3$0156b9d0$1606030a@d478406837> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Importance: Normal I'm looking for a bike with a blown engine...i.e. a rolling chassis. I have an air-cooled Suzuki 750 motor I want to stuff in something for track days. This will fit any 600-750 Katana frame, GSX-R 750's from 1985-1992 and any Bandit. The bike must be complete except for the motor (I do have carbs). It doesn't have to be pretty, but cheap! Thanks, Gary Foreman From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 28 01:12:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from studio5designs.com (mail.s5di.com [207.8.192.23]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0S6Cni17366 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 01:12:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from MPOLLACKLAPTOP [24.163.98.223] by studio5designs.com (SMTPD32-6.06) id ABCCBC35029C; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 01:12:28 -0500 Message-ID: <001201c1a7c2$e53033c0$0300a8c0@MITRE.ORG> From: "Matthew Pollack" To: Subject: local duraglass retailer Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 01:13:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000F_01C1A798.FC127460" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C1A798.FC127460 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi. I'm a long time lurker who now has a question for those who may be = more in the know than I. I'm rebuilding/customizing an '89 Heritage = Softail an have found the need for a high-quality, firberglass = reinforced body filler such as Duraglass by US Chemical. The problem is = that I cannot find it anywhere. Anyone have a suggestion that might = help? Thanks much, Matthew ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C1A798.FC127460 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi.  I'm a long time lurker who = now has a=20 question for those who may be more in the know than I.  I'm=20 rebuilding/customizing an '89 Heritage Softail an have found the need = for a=20 high-quality, firberglass reinforced body filler such as Duraglass by US = Chemical.  The problem is that I cannot find it anywhere.  = Anyone have=20 a suggestion that might help?
 
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------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C1A798.FC127460-- From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 28 08:17:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from cgds1.osc.uscg.mil (cgds1.osc.uscg.mil [152.121.49.10]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0SDHPi23667 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 08:17:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from hqex6.comdt.uscg.mil by CGDS1.osc.uscg.mil with ESMTP for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 08:17:54 -0500 Received: by hqex6.comdt.uscg.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 08:16:48 -0500 Message-Id: From: "Bruhl, George LT" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Production Runs Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 08:16:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >I don't think it was a "no need" situation... it was more like a "we give up" >situation. Suzuki was so dominant in 750 sales that Honda and Yamaha quit >trying to compete, and Kawa just sorta said "Well, if you want one... we sell >one". All the R&D was already paid for and if someone REALLY wanted a ZX7R, >they could buy one. ::shrug:: That's ironic when you consider that the old GS750's, GS500's and GS1000 engines came right out of the Kaw Z-1 design. There's so much inter-play between those OEM's that this merger doesn't really surprise me. The ZX7 has been produced for quite some time, what 7 years or so. That makes a great spare parts run. But look around and plenty of models (Japanese) have been around without a lot of changes. ST1100 (changing in 2003) to name a one. Basic engine layout tend to run quite a while... Frames, brakes, forks etc... change with greater frequency... far more often than engine design. From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 28 08:27:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g0SDRIi23822 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 08:27:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA22255 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 08:27:16 -0500 (EST) From: leaston@XXXXXX Received: from lycanthrope.crosslink.net (root@XXXXXX [206.246.124.36]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA03231 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 08:27:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from HOST ([209.147.77.187]) by lycanthrope.crosslink.net (8.9.3/) with SMTP id IAA10665 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 08:27:11 -0500 Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 08:27:11 -0500 Message-Id: <200201281327.IAA10665@lycanthrope.crosslink.net> X-Really-To: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: new photos from my party! Hello! My party... It was absolutely amazing! I have attached my web page with new photos! 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Hello! My party... It was absolutely amazing! I have attached my web page with new photos! If you can please make color prints of my photos. 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Hello! My party... It was absolutely amazing! I have attached my web page with new photos! If you can please make color prints of my photos. 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Hello! My party... It was absolutely amazing! I have attached my web page with new photos! If you can please make color prints of my photos. 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Hello! My party... It was absolutely amazing! I have attached my web page with new photos! If you can please make color prints of my photos. 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Hello! My party... It was absolutely amazing! I have attached my web page with new photos! If you can please make color prints of my photos. 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