From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 1 07:34:46 2001 From: McKeithen@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 07:34:32 EST Subject: Spam-MC For Sale To: cb-750@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX A pal of mine has two 1999 Suzuki 600SXF Katanas for sale. One red, one blue. Garage kept, never down, less than 6k miles. E-mail him direct @ Kevrep96 for prices and further info. From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 1 18:24:31 2001 From: "Richard L. Casale" To: , "VFR Mailing List" Cc: , "Dave Yates" , "Ahalan" , "Bruce Brownlee" , "Grant Beaver" , "Geoffrey Anderson" , "Josh Hunt" Subject: RE: Darien Jacket Owners !!! Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 18:24:27 -0500 I wanted to take a moment to thank all of you who have personally responded to my request for Stitch information. Based on many of your recommendations and further research of my own I have decided to go with the Darien jacket with a standard 200wt fleece liner, along with the Darien Pants. The fact that I get high-quality 2-layer Gore-Tex behind a 500 denier Cordura Plus without any polyurethane on the nylon is just an automatic sale. The only other jacket on the market that will come close to that is Motoport's Ultra II Cordura jacket and even so the Ultra II is significantly heavier due to the extra pockets and extended should width. I'm gonna give this suit some test rides in my area (with the temperatures down in the 20's and 30's). If I find that it's not warm enough, then I'll add a heated windblock fleece vest to wear under the existing liner. That should do me just fine. Have a happy new year and ride safe. From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 1 18:27:55 2001 From: "Richard L. Casale" To: Subject: Re: Ridin' in the cold (was New Rider to the DC area) Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 18:27:53 -0500 Rich, Your definately not alone out there in the cold. I ride from Seminary North up 395 into D.C. for work every day and I am the only person out there. My personal best was 15 degrees--man that was f'n cold. I do a lot of riding out to my girlfriend's house in Croften there's nothing like that blistering cold head wind at 80mph for an hour straight--no stopping. I think it's time for some heated clothing. From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 1 18:41:30 2001 Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 18:41:24 -0500 (EST) From: Peter Hartzler To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Mid Atlantic Motorcycle Expo Hmm... Just heard on the radio 'bout a "Mid Atlantic Motorcycle Expo" in Chantilly, at the Chantilly Shopping Center, this weekend (1/6 & 1/7). It's billed as a Swap Meet, Bike Show and Fashion Show with Live Music by the Genuine Virginia Band. It might be an interesting thing on such a Winter's day... Here's a link to their flyer... http://www.cycleprousa.com/show_chantilly_jan2001/flyer.htm Cheers, Pete. From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 1 18:50:38 2001 Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2001 18:46:09 -0500 From: Bill Huson To: Peter Hartzler CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Mid Atlantic Motorcycle Expo Yeah, heard from a pal that the show is a lotta custom bikes AKA Harleys. But Harley girls must keep up the image, so if the weather's warm the fashion show might be worth the trip. Bill Peter Hartzler wrote: > Hmm... > > Just heard on the radio 'bout a "Mid Atlantic Motorcycle Expo" in > Chantilly, at the Chantilly Shopping Center, this weekend (1/6 & 1/7). > > It's billed as a Swap Meet, Bike Show and Fashion Show with Live Music by > the Genuine Virginia Band. > > It might be an interesting thing on such a Winter's day... > > Here's a link to their flyer... > > http://www.cycleprousa.com/show_chantilly_jan2001/flyer.htm > > Cheers, > > Pete. From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 1 19:30:26 2001 Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 19:30:18 -0500 (EST) From: Peter Hartzler To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Mid Atlantic Motorcycle Expo Um... If the weather's warm? Is this thing outdoors? =8-o On Mon, 1 Jan 2001, Bill Huson wrote: > Yeah, heard from a pal that the show is a lotta custom bikes AKA Harleys. > But Harley girls must keep up the image, so if the weather's warm the fashion > show might be worth the trip. From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 1 19:41:58 2001 Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 19:41:54 -0500 (EST) From: Peter Hartzler To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Mid Atlantic Motorcycle Expo Hmm... While one place says it's at the Chantilly Shopping Center, everything else says it's at the Capitol Expo Center. FWIW. -ph From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 1 20:04:01 2001 Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2001 19:59:22 -0500 From: Bill Huson To: Peter Hartzler CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Mid Atlantic Motorcycle Expo I do believe it is - like a tent show, but I could be wrong. Peter Hartzler wrote: > Um... If the weather's warm? Is this thing outdoors? =8-o > > On Mon, 1 Jan 2001, Bill Huson wrote: > > > Yeah, heard from a pal that the show is a lotta custom bikes AKA Harleys. > > But Harley girls must keep up the image, so if the weather's warm the fashion > > show might be worth the trip. From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 2 09:26:32 2001 From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Subject: New Rider to the DC area Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 09:27:11 -0500 Welcome Aaron S. Ward Others have already offered good advice but I'm still gonna pitch in my two worn pennies: A few local drivers are "special" because they're in the capital of the world doing "important stuff". But, too many others are just rude ignorant a - holes (RIAH). The "special ones" will be surrounded by navy blue Surburbans and white sedans; some of the RIAHs will be driving the navy blue Surburbans and white sedans. . . but I digress. For less than $50, you can increase your conspicuity and greatly decrease the likelihood that some RIAH will chance scratching their fine car on your worthless bones -- or that some BDC will do what BDCs do -- too well. 1. Wal-Mart (and others) have driving/fog lights with H-3 bulbs for less than $20. Auto Zone (if you can find one) has some Pilots for $20. These include the switch and relay. Less than an hour of head scratching, bracket forming, and wire stringing will give you two bright yellow spots -- in daytime --. So, with the lights and assertive lane placement, no BDC or RIAH can claim "I didn't see the motorcycle." 2. Even when they see you, RIAHs will sometimes still try to nooge you. This is where the next $20-$30 comes to bear. $25 at Pep Boys gets you a pair of Fiammes or Blasters, $5 more gets big tooters. The sets include the relay. Don't rely solely on the tooters to preserve your section of road but do use them to awaken the BDC-RIAH that you're serious. And sometimes it's entertaining to see them look around searching for the semi. Don't need no loud pipes; I got big honking tooters: http://members.tripod.com/~v65_magna/sos_99/sat_lunch2.jpg 3. To summarize an earlier thread. When push comes to shove with a cage, "run away, run away". They'll drive to a body shop; you'll get a ride elsewhere . . . Some of my favorite replies: Yates: "Take a class ; MSF, racing school, whatever. No disrespect to any LM, but best to form habits from pros... certainly we have some competent riders, but the trick is always knowing what the bad habits are... Dave Paper "Assume you are completely invisible. that way, you'll expect it when someone ignores the fact you are taking up space where they want to be." TG: "yes, defensive driving--an attempt to be absolutely aware of your surroundings--is a must. however, some of us combine that tactic with aggressive manuevering to get around town quickly. get too defensive on a motorcycle around here and you're roadkill." Paul in DC "I agree, I call it "riding with authority," that is, acting like you really do belong on the road. You can control a segment of asphalt through the "body language" of your vehicle's course, lane position and speed. Being a shrinking violet will get you nowhere. Something I picked up riding bicycles in city and suburban traffic for many years. This only works if they can spot you in a sea of sensory overload however. Visibility is key. Garcia O: > I know it's cold outside, but is anyone still riding? Not at the moment; I had to pull over to type this. > By the way, do you just go out into the woods and start shooting or are there special areas you have to go? Special areas. Anywhere in DC east of Rock Creek. Anywhere in PG County if you wear a uniform. --garcia "Cover me. I'm changing lanes." Carl in Brr-thesda "I consider good lights to be a key safety item, since I ride and drive a lot at night. I'd rather spend money on lights than on bodywork, mine or the vehicle." Eric K From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 2 10:36:38 2001 Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 07:36:33 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Rosenstock Subject: Re: New Rider to the DC area To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Dont forget to watch out for cages with a red, white, and blue Diplomat license plate. They are especially dangerous. Lots of those in the Capital region. Matt in "Where the hell was the snow?" Baltimore. --- "Custer, Carl" wrote: > Welcome Aaron S. Ward > Others have already offered good advice but I'm > still gonna pitch in my two > worn pennies: > A few local drivers are "special" because they're in > the capital of the > world doing "important stuff". But, too many others > are just rude ignorant > a - holes (RIAH). __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 2 10:49:23 2001 Date: 2 Jan 2001 07:49:13 -0800 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Subject: OT-personal trainers I am planning on getting my scrawny ass into shape for the upcoming racing season and I am looking for a recommendation for a personal trainer. I don't want to join a gym and have to pay for a trainer on top of that, so I'd like to find a trainer that has their own facility. does anyone know of anyone good and that doesn't cost and arm and a leg? :-) LAG ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 2 10:57:50 2001 Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 10:57:45 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: OT-personal trainers On 2 Jan 2001, LAURA GRANATO wrote: > I am planning on getting my scrawny ass into shape for the upcoming > racing season and I am looking for a recommendation for a personal > trainer. I don't want to join a gym and have to pay for a trainer on > top of that, so I'd like to find a trainer that has their own > facility. does anyone know of anyone good and that doesn't cost and > arm and a leg? :-) Not to beat a dead horse here but why not just get a dirt bike? You'll get in better shape and you'll gain a lot of control over your riding. There're good reasons that so many fast road racers come from dirt backgrounds... Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://planetklx.dirtrider.net) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) DCOffroad - the Wash, DC area offroad e-mail list: http://www.egroups.com/community/dcoffroad From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 2 11:27:06 2001 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: OT: Help! need 87 caddy hubcap key Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 11:28:32 -0800 I bought an 87 caddy fleetwood brougham from an auction. I found out the hubcaps have a key, and it's time to change the brakes but I cannot find the key in the car. Anyone know where I can get one, or does anyone have one I can come borrow for 2 seconds, just to take the locks off? Or does anyone know a trick to get them off? thanks Danny From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 2 11:28:14 2001 From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Subject: Ridin' in the cold Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 11:29:07 -0500 "Richard L. Casale" concluded, "I think it's time for some heated clothing." For new Years Day, I plugged in an old flannel shirt that I had wired with 15 feet of Radio Shack 30 gauge wire (4.1 Ohms ~ 50 watts). Plugged it into my birthday Heat-Troller. Mmmm yeah, so this is what folks have been raving about. Cruised by the Sign of the Whale ~ 10:00. Went inside; saw nobody I recognized; sniffed bikes Who has the Madura or the V45 Magna? Did those wearing chaps ride? Were they from zip code 17506? :^> Tanner touted Vlahos last -- whoa -- two months ago. Winding Roads-Motorcycle Times fans might also mention you saw his ad in the January-February issue. Subject: Gerbing Gear From: "Tanner, Linda" Subject: Gerbing Gear Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 11:35:58 -0500 I went to see Mike Vlahos to get some new Gerbing gear. He's a good guy and is willing to cut some deals on stuff - especially some older stuff. He has a reasonable selection at his home in Mt Airy and will order whatever you need that he doesn't have. If you're thinking about staying warm this winter, give this man a call and he'll do right by you. Mike Vlahos 5310 Pommel Dr MOUNT AIRY, MD 21771 301-829-0452 or mgvlahos@XXXXXX. As always, I have no financial interest in this, blah, blah, blah. LindaT. Springfield, VA, USA 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy 95 F3 Purple Haze (68K miles and counting) 00 KLR250 Tenzing http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ "I bought a Widder electric vest; I hooked it up this morning and I'm a convert. I'm just sorry that I put off buying one for so long. Michael J (it's June inside my jacket) J. From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 2 11:49:27 2001 Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 11:49:10 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: OT-personal trainers At 10:57 AM 1/2/01, Kirk Roy wrote: >Not to beat a dead horse here but why not just get a dirt bike? You'll get >in better shape and you'll gain a lot of control over your riding. >There're good reasons that so many fast road racers come from dirt >backgrounds... Limited local places to ride, and the hassle of hooking up a trailer just to go work out. Plus, in the winter, you only get to ride off road on the weekends since there is no freaking light. I can't believe the government took away my sunshine. I used to ride off road. Loved it. Lot more exercise than I expected, and taught me a lot about street riding. Got tired of being chased off of construction areas. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 Member : AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA There is an evil tendency underlying all our technology - the tendency to do what is reasonable even when it isn't any good. - Robert Pirsig, Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 2 12:48:52 2001 Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 12:43:47 -0500 From: +Andrew To: "'DCCycles'" Subject: Shoei RF-800 Cheap! Greeting Fellow Motorcyclers I am buying a Shoei RF-800 from a mail order place for only $203! Do I need the breathguard and chinguard? There is some fogging on this helmet when I tried it on and low noise is very impotant to me. Thanks for the advice. +Andrew From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 2 13:15:04 2001 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc cycles" Subject: Re: Shoei RF-800 Cheap! Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 13:13:44 -0500 If you wear glasses, you may need the breath guard, otherwise a Fog City shield should do the trick. I've found it's my glasses that cause the fogging now with the Fog City, if you let them get cold. The proximity to your body heat usually keeps then fog free. RF800 is quieter than my old RF200, but not dramatically so. Paul in DC '91 CB750 '00 RF800 http://users.erols.com/pawilson ----- Original Message ----- From: +Andrew To: 'DCCycles' Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2001 12:43 PM Subject: Shoei RF-800 Cheap! > Greeting Fellow Motorcyclers > > I am buying a Shoei RF-800 from a mail order place for only $203! Do I > need the > breathguard and chinguard? There is some fogging on this helmet when I > tried it > on and low noise is very impotant to me. Thanks for the advice. > > +Andrew From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 2 13:18:23 2001 Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 13:17:52 -0500 To: "'DCCycles'" From: Troutman Subject: Re: Shoei RF-800 Cheap! At 12:43 PM 1/2/01, +Andrew wrote: >I am buying a Shoei RF-800 from a mail order place for only $203! Do I >need the >breathguard and chinguard? There is some fogging on this helmet when I >tried it >on and low noise is very impotant to me. Thanks for the advice. Tell us where you are buying it from ... I need a new lid next fall. You might be getting it cheap because of the RF900 (heard it is out / coming out). I love my 800 - never had a fogging problem, except in the cold rain. Wind noise is high for me, but I wear plugs so it doesn't really matter. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org I spent a lot of money on wine and women and like a fool I squandered the rest. - Benny Hill From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 2 15:31:14 2001 Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 13:09:39 -0600 From: "George Cole" To: , Subject: Re: Shoei RF-800 Cheap! Andrew, You might want to try a NOJ quiet rider, it attaches to the bottom of the helmet and greatly reduces wind noise and keeps cold air out. For fogging Fog-X works great. just needs to be applied every ride. Cheers, George Cole 00 VFR >>> +Andrew 01/02/01 12:43PM >>> Greeting Fellow Motorcyclers I am buying a Shoei RF-800 from a mail order place for only $203! Do I need the breathguard and chinguard? There is some fogging on this helmet when I tried it on and low noise is very impotant to me. Thanks for the advice. +Andrew From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 2 15:59:27 2001 Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 16:00:10 -0800 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Stephen Harris Subject: Meeting Greeting all; Below is e-mail regarding MD state delegate Jean Cryor's proposed bill on children & motorcycling. Please attend if you can & show that we are not a bunch of meatheads that need legislating into a warm soft place. For my part, I'm torn. There is also a gun show at the Gaithersburg Fairgrounds that same day. I was hoping to go purchase some "loophole" firearms on saturday, but will attend the meeting instead. I might try to make both. >From: "Delegate Jean Cryor" >To: (lots of names deleted) >Subject: Meeting >Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 15:23:07 -0500 >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 >Importance: Normal > >I have set up a meeting for Saturday January 6, at 1 PM in the large meeting >room at Damascus Public Library to listen to your concerns regarding >Children's Motorcycle Safety. > > >Sincerely, >Delegate Jean Cryor > > > Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 2 18:44:36 2001 Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 18:44:36 -0500 (EST) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Bruce Brownlee Subject: re: Mid Atlantic Motorcycle Expo i went last year and thought it kinda lame (if its the one i remember). much more 'swap meet' than 'cycle show'. lotsa used harley parts and such. my focus was a bit more on the HD stuff, so i might not have noticed anything else as I was looking for specific parts. its something to do, but for $10, it might be a let-down to a lot of people.... (but, come to think of it, that describes most of the stuff at the expo center) -- Bruce Brownlee Webmaster/PR - #91 Winston Cup Team http://www.LJRacing.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 2 20:55:32 2001 From: "mobacc" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Advanced Rider Course -- ERC Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 20:00:23 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0064_01C074F6.A4647E00 'Lo List -- Today was the first day for ERC signup -- I'm down for yearly = inoculation. Here's a squib I copied a while ago: They say can cancel = up to two weeks prior for moneyback. =20 For those unfamiliar -- this is the MSF one-day advanced course and the = dates fill up pretty fast. =20 --- In this advanced course, students learn further safety skills in both a classroom and range situation. Students must pos-sess a valid VA Motorcycle License and provide their own motorcycle and equipment, proof of registration, and insur-ance. Call (703) 450-2552 for a brochure and further infor-mation. Enrollment is limited. Classes meet on Sunday from 8:00 a.m.-5:00 p.m. at the Loudoun Campus. Class dates are: Mar. 11, Apr. 8, Apr. 22, May 6, May 20, June 3, June 10, June 24, July 15, Aug. 12, Sept. 9, Sept. 23, and Oct. 14. Private group classes can be arranged by calling the Office of Continuing Education at the Loudoun Campus at 703:450- 2552. One session. $55. Loudoun Campus PHED 962 00 LOUDOUN CAMPUS --- Bill S. / DC=20 99 VN750 -->> not PMS'd yet Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. ------=_NextPart_000_0064_01C074F6.A4647E00
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------=_NextPart_000_0064_01C074F6.A4647E00-- From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 2 21:06:33 2001 Subject: New message board To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: jitabashi@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 20:46:05 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on WBLN0014/Facility/World Bank(Release 5.0.5 |September 22, 2000) at 01/02/2001 08:46:08 PM I am not sure how many of you are interested but a new sportbike message board is forming. I am hoping that since it is new we can keep it a good board and not full of too much crap. It is new and since it was started during the SLOW season there will be some babbling and ranting but I am hoping for the best. Please join (free) if you are so inclined I am sure the wealth of info that this list possess would be appreciated. James Itabashi The World Bank Group Site 8 SMS Administrator ISGGC - ISGITC 202-458-1697 x.81697 I2-165D jitabashi@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 2 21:48:01 2001 Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 21:47:37 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: New message board At 08:46 PM 1/2/2001, jitabashi@XXXXXX wrote: >I am not sure how many of you are interested but a new sportbike message board >is forming. I am hoping that since it is new we can keep it a good board >and not >full of too much crap. It is new and since it was started during the SLOW >season >there will be some babbling and ranting but I am hoping for the best. Please >join (free) if you are so inclined I am sure the wealth of info that this list >possess would be appreciated. So ... going to give us any details on this message board? ______________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org "No arsenal, or no weapon in the arsenals of the world, is so formidable as the will and moral courage of free men and women." --Ronald Reagan From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 2 22:08:05 2001 Subject: Re: OOPS New message board To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: jitabashi@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 22:07:54 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on WBLN0014/Facility/World Bank(Release 5.0.5 |September 22, 2000) at 01/02/2001 10:07:56 PM www.sportbikes.ws sorry about that James Itabashi The World Bank Group Site 8 SMS Administrator ISGGC - ISGITC 202-458-1697 x.81697 I2-165D jitabashi@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 3 10:06:34 2001 From: dsnyder@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 09:51:42 -0500 To: "mobacc" Subject: Re: Advanced Rider Course -- ERC Cc: "DC-Cycles" --============_-1233588993==_ma============ Thanks! Got in on the March class. Dan 00 RSV At 8:00 PM -0500 1/2/01, mobacc wrote: >'Lo List -- > > Today was the first day for ERC signup -- I'm down for yearly >inoculation. Here's a squib I copied a while ago: They say can >cancel up to two weeks prior for moneyback. > >For those unfamiliar -- this is the MSF one-day advanced course and >the dates fill up pretty fast. >--- >In this advanced course, students learn further safety skills in >both a classroom and range situation. Students must pos-sess >a valid VA Motorcycle License and provide their own >motorcycle and equipment, proof of registration, and insur-ance. >Call (703) 450-2552 for a brochure and further infor-mation. >Enrollment is limited. Classes meet on Sunday from >8:00 a.m.-5:00 p.m. at the Loudoun Campus. Class dates >are: Mar. 11, Apr. 8, Apr. 22, May 6, May 20, June 3, June >10, June 24, July 15, Aug. 12, Sept. 9, Sept. 23, and Oct. 14. >Private group classes can be arranged by calling the Office >of Continuing Education at the Loudoun Campus at 703:450- >2552. One session. $55. Loudoun Campus PHED 962 00 >LOUDOUN CAMPUS >--- >Bill S. / DC >99 VN750 -->> not PMS'd yet >Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. --============_-1233588993==_ma============ Thanks! Got in on the March class. Dan 00 RSV At 8:00 PM -0500 1/2/01, mobacc wrote: 'Lo List -- Today was the first day for ERC signup -- I'm down for yearly inoculation. Here's a squib I copied a while ago: They say can cancel up to two weeks prior for moneyback. For those unfamiliar -- this is the MSF one-day advanced course and the dates fill up pretty fast. --- In this advanced course, students learn further safety skills in both a classroom and range situation. Students must pos-sess a valid VA Motorcycle License and provide their own motorcycle and equipment, proof of registration, and insur-ance. Call (703) 450-2552 for a brochure and further infor-mation. Enrollment is limited. Classes meet on Sunday from 8:00 a.m.-5:00 p.m. at the Loudoun Campus. Class dates are: Mar. 11, Apr. 8, Apr. 22, May 6, May 20, June 3, June 10, June 24, July 15, Aug. 12, Sept. 9, Sept. 23, and Oct. 14. Private group classes can be arranged by calling the Office of Continuing Education at the Loudoun Campus at 703:450- 2552. One session. $55. Loudoun Campus PHED 962 00 LOUDOUN CAMPUS --- Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 -->> not PMS'd yet Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. --============_-1233588993==_ma============-- From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 3 10:53:41 2001 Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 07:53:28 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: OT-personal trainers To: LAURA GRANATO , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- LAURA GRANATO wrote: > I am planning on getting my scrawny ass into shape > for the upcoming racing season and I am looking for > a recommendation for a personal trainer. I don't > want to join a gym and have to pay for a trainer on > top of that, so I'd like to find a trainer that has > their own facility. does anyone know of anyone good > and that doesn't cost and arm and a leg? :-) > > LAG Biting tongue, I would make a suggestion, but I don't know if they would be taken in the light hearted vein as intended. Todd W ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 3 11:04:32 2001 Date: 3 Jan 2001 08:04:23 -0800 To: mtwithrow@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: OT-personal trainers On Wed, 03 January 2001, Todd Withrow wrote: > > > Biting tongue, > > I would make a suggestion, but I don't know if they > would be taken in the light hearted vein as intended. > i'm ready and waiting...shoot! what you have to say Mr. Withrow? anxiously awaiting... LAG ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 3 11:13:50 2001 Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 08:13:45 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: OT-personal trainers To: LAURA GRANATO Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- LAURA GRANATO wrote: > On Wed, 03 January 2001, Todd Withrow wrote: > > > > > > Biting tongue, > > > > I would make a suggestion, but I don't know if > they > > would be taken in the light hearted vein as > intended. > > > > i'm ready and waiting...shoot! what you have to say > Mr. Withrow? > > anxiously awaiting... > LAG I was going to say that every bedroom is equipped with its own gym. Twin, Full, Queen, or in my case, King size. A ready waiting platform for a cardio-vascular workout. Multiple workout positions are available dependant upon which muscle group you would like to focus on for the strength and endurance portion of the workout. And like Yoga, it also relaxes the mind and soul. See, cheap and easy. Your boyfriend is your personal trainer and has his own equipment (I hope). Shouldn't this be on the Off Topic board? Todd W. ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 3 11:25:36 2001 Date: 3 Jan 2001 08:25:23 -0800 To: mtwithrow@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: OT-personal trainers > > > I was going to say that every bedroom is equipped with > its own gym Yes, I agree, but this only builds flexibility and cardio...what I need is strength! please, no comments here. :-) > > See, cheap and easy. Your boyfriend is your personal > trainer and has his own equipment (I hope). my boyfriend is neither cheap nor easy, lol. :-) > > Shouldn't this be on the Off Topic board? > > we could definitely have a lot of fun with this one on the off-topic list, but it's probably better to not. lol. LAG ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 3 11:28:30 2001 Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 08:28:26 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: OT-personal trainers To: LAURA GRANATO Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- LAURA GRANATO wrote: > > > > > > I was going to say that every bedroom is equipped > with > > its own gym > > Yes, I agree, but this only builds flexibility and > cardio...what I need is strength! please, no > comments here. :-) It can build strength also, you need to be more imaginative. :) Shoulders and quads, that is what you need for dirtbikes, right? Todd W. ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 3 11:30:45 2001 Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 11:30:20 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Re: OT-personal trainers >I was going to say that every bedroom is equipped with >its own gym. Twin, Full, Queen, or in my case, King >size. A ready waiting platform for a cardio-vascular >workout. Multiple workout positions are available >dependant upon which muscle group you would like to >focus on for the strength and endurance portion of the >workout. > Maxim magazine recently published an article on certain positions that result in an excellent workout. I'll try and find the article if I can. -- "For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the skillful defiance of it." -Ernest Becker (1924-1974) Sean Jordan '93 Honda CBR1000F (Street) WERA Novice #230 From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 3 11:33:50 2001 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc cycles" Subject: Re: OT-personal trainers Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 11:31:54 -0500 I've found that it's mostly upper body strength and endurance that helps on a motorcycle for flogging the twisties. Even on the superslab being in shape will curb fatigue. I make a habit of simple stretches before climbing on the bike for an hour or two. Maybe we need a "scooter aerobics" video? I don't think that you need a very specialized exercise program, just one that builds overall strength, endurance and flexibility in all the muscle groups. Hitting a gym three times of week for stretching, followed by a half-hour of aerobic activity, and then a circuit of machines or free weights for twenty minutes, and finally a cool down stretch will work wonders. You don't need Sven the personal trainer to do that. Most gyms will show you the basics of using machines or free weights as part of the membership. Personally, I find those group stationary bike "spinning" classes to be a great way to ward off the winter blahs. Only problem is you can twist that right hand grip all you want and nothing much happens. :) Paul in DC 1991 CB750 http://users.erols.com/pawilson ----- Original Message ----- From: LAURA GRANATO To: Cc: Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2001 11:04 AM Subject: Re: OT-personal trainers > On Wed, 03 January 2001, Todd Withrow wrote: > > > > > > Biting tongue, > > > > I would make a suggestion, but I don't know if they > > would be taken in the light hearted vein as intended. > > > > i'm ready and waiting...shoot! what you have to say Mr. Withrow? > > anxiously awaiting... > LAG From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 3 11:51:18 2001 Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 11:50:59 -0500 From: Dave Yates CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: OT-personal trainers Todd Withrow wrote: > > i'm ready and waiting...shoot! what you have to say > > Mr. Withrow? > > > > anxiously awaiting... > > LAG > > I was going to say that every bedroom is equipped with > its own gym. Twin, Full, Queen, or in my case, King > size. sounds like yer braggin' there, Mr. Withrow ;-) > A ready waiting platform for a cardio-vascular > workout. Multiple workout positions are available > dependant upon which muscle group you would like to > focus on for the strength and endurance portion of the > workout. yeah, but remember, she said it was for the upcoming riding season (MOTORCYCLES!) some of the, uhh... exercises might not really be a direct help to that cause :-) -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 3 11:53:13 2001 Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 11:52:59 -0500 From: Dave Yates CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: OT-personal trainers LAURA GRANATO wrote: > > > > > > > I was going to say that every bedroom is equipped with > > its own gym > > Yes, I agree, but this only builds flexibility and cardio...what I need is strength! please, no comments here. :-) Ok, just use the rope... you know, the one hanging from the ceiling... > > > > > See, cheap and easy. Your boyfriend is your personal > > trainer and has his own equipment (I hope). > > my boyfriend is neither cheap nor easy, lol. :-) > > > > Shouldn't this be on the Off Topic board? > > > > we could definitely have a lot of fun with this one on the off-topic list, but it's probably better to not. lol. yeah, being that it's family oriented & all ;-) -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 3 12:21:28 2001 Date: 3 Jan 2001 09:21:18 -0800 To: Sean.Jordan@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: OT-personal trainers > Maxim magazine recently published an article on certain positions > that result in an excellent workout. I'll try and find the article if > I can. > I actually even heard you can blast 250 calories per orgasm. oops, I mean organism...don't want to offend anyone ;-) LAG ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 3 13:33:10 2001 From: dsnyder@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 13:33:06 -0500 To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: A little late but... ...pretty neat animation. http://www.nettuno.it/fiera/powerhouse/cover/auguri.htm Dan 00 RSV From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 4 00:38:52 2001 From: "James Reazor" To: Subject: Re: Redneck Here Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 00:37:53 -0500 Mike, I happen to be one of those liberal pukes (no offense taken) but in this case I sort of agree with you. Don't get me wrong, I think Gilmore's a conservative buffoon who couldn't make an independent decision to save his life (no offense intended to any other conservative buffoons) but I support the car tax repeal just because it puts money back in the pockets of those who earned it. I also have to say that I think it's the only thing that got Gilmore elected. -James ----- Original Message ----- From: "Troutman" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2000 3:04 PM Subject: Redneck Here > I didn't mean any offense to any liberal pukes on list. I realize this is > a diverse group, not all of us rednecks. Including me. Probably just the > winter blahs. I should have gone for a ride Christmas day, but wound up > too busy shuttling between family homes with gifts. Maybe it is time for > an electric vest after all..... > > Gilmore is doing the right thing. It is easy to lay new taxes on our > backs, and hard to pull them back off. It is frustrating having to pay > taxes year after year on something I paid too much for to begin > with. Don't care much for luxury taxes. Or sin taxes - just big brother's > way of trying to influence my behavior without making it illegal. Do you > realize that Canadians pay close to $6 for a pack of cigs, but beer is the > same price as it is here? Most of our gas $ is tax, where is all of _that_ > money going exactly? > > I'll stop. Maybe I should go with Dave to the BRP and Gap for a long > weekend. Calm the nerves. > > ___________________________________________ > > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > > I spent a lot of money on wine and women and like a fool I > squandered the rest. - Benny Hill > From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 4 08:25:01 2001 From: eschelzig@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Massachusetts Considers Motorcycle Awareness Training Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 08:23:48 -0500 >From the Motorcycle NewsWire (http://www.motorcyclenewswire.com), thought the list might be interested. Massachusetts Considers Motorcycle Awareness Training January 2, 2001 Boston, MA - (MCNW) A bill to put "motorcycle awareness" programs in the high school and private driver education training classes has been filed by State Representative Bradford Hill, reports the MMA of Massachusetts. "It will be referred to as 'Nelly's Bill,' in memory of Nelson Selig, Sr.," announced Representative Hill. Selig, a 38 year old father of two from Ipswich was killed earlier this year while riding his motorcycle when a teenage driver crossed the center line and hit his motorcycle head on. "With this bill we hope to bring greater awareness of the more than 100,000 motorcycles on the roads of the Commonwealth each year," said Hill, "and prevent some senseless tragedies." Rep. Hill continued, "according to the Registry of Motor Vehicles, over 177,400 teenagers are currently licensed. In the formal driver training schools, no mention is made of motorcycles on the road. This bill would require about two hours of motorcycle awareness programs." "Even for experienced drivers, motorcycles are difficult to see if we're not looking for them. Their speed is tough to judge. It's time we recognize they are on the roads, and we promote more 'awareness' and everyone 'checking twice,' looking out for them during the season," said Hill. From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 4 09:50:14 2001 Date: 4 Jan 2001 06:50:05 -0800 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Subject: I've been busy, but need your help Wow! What a busy week this has been for me. Here's what's up, then I'll get to what I need your help for. 1. I am now an officer of the Suzuki Owner's Club. I am their mass media coordinator putting together their quarterly newsletter. I'm very excited about this! 2. I am now helping MARRC (road racing school) do some marketing initiatives. Very cool! 3. I am now going to be a featured column writer for www.sportbikes.com which is going to be merging with sportbikes.ws within the next 72 hours. This is a cool position b/c 1. the site gets over 60,000 hits per month alone, and once they merge...look out! and 2. there are tons of large companies (e.g., D&D) who frequent the site, so hopefully my skills will land me an amazing job! lol. So, here's the help. I want ideas for articles to write. I want to have people coming to the site to read my articles every week. ;-) I can think of the same old stuff (e.g., helmet laws, etc.) but I'd like some ideas for articles you all would find interesting to read about, especially from a gal. :-) Any help would be appreciated! LAG ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 4 10:05:14 2001 Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 10:04:59 -0500 From: Dave Yates CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: I've been busy, but need your help LAURA GRANATO wrote: > > Wow! What a busy week this has been for me. Here's what's up, then I'll get to what I need your help for. > > 1. I am now an officer of the Suzuki Owner's Club. I am their mass media coordinator putting together their quarterly newsletter. I'm very excited about this! > > 2. I am now helping MARRC (road racing school) do some marketing initiatives. Very cool! > > 3. I am now going to be a featured column writer for www.sportbikes.com which is going to be merging with sportbikes.ws within the next 72 hours. This is a cool position b/c 1. the site gets over 60,000 hits per month alone, and once they merge...look out! and 2. there are tons of large companies (e.g., D&D) who frequent the site, so hopefully my skills will land me an amazing job! lol. > > So, here's the help. I want ideas for articles to write. Not specifically, but I'm all for a motorcycle publication that's Not located in either California or New York. They're just not... 'the same'... as us here on the right coast... I want to have people coming to the site to read my articles every week. ;-) I can think of the same old stuff (e.g., helmet laws, etc.) but I'd like some ideas for articles you all would find interesting to read about, especially from a gal. :-) Any help would be appreciated! Some of the DCC ride routes are certainly worthy of print, not to mention bios on some of our... more... colorful members... Congrats x 3, good luck & HTH. -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 4 10:05:44 2001 Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 10:06:31 -0800 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Stephen Harris Subject: Re: I've been busy, but need your help At 06:50 AM 1/4/01 -0800, LAURA GRANATO wrote: >2. I am now helping MARRC (road racing school) do some marketing initiatives. Very cool! Don't think this will make it any easier on you it comes time to decide if you passed or failed the school...:-) S Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 4 10:18:56 2001 From: "Rob Keiser" To: eschelzig@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Massachusetts Considers Motorcycle Awareness Training Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 10:18:31 -0500 Sounds too good to be true. Rob '98 VFR800 >From: eschelzig@XXXXXX >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Massachusetts Considers Motorcycle Awareness Training >Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 08:23:48 -0500 > >From the Motorcycle NewsWire (http://www.motorcyclenewswire.com), thought >the list might be interested. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 4 11:03:58 2001 Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 08:03:54 -0800 (PST) From: iefbrfourteen Subject: Grrrl power, circa 1958 To: DCC Check her out on her Velocettes and Nortons, racing at the Isle on Man. http://www.electronicsind.freeserve.co.uk/pat1.htm There's just something about a female roadracer. :) Rich __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 4 11:34:57 2001 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc cycles" Subject: Re: Massachusetts Considers Motorcycle Awareness Training Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 11:29:31 -0500 From: > From the Motorcycle NewsWire (http://www.motorcyclenewswire.com), thought > the list might be interested. > > > Massachusetts Considers Motorcycle Awareness Training > > January 2, 2001 > > Boston, MA - (MCNW) A bill to put "motorcycle awareness" programs in the > high school and private driver education training classes has been filed by > State Representative Bradford Hill, reports the MMA of Massachusetts. > "It will be referred to as 'Nelly's Bill,' in memory of Nelson Selig, Sr.," > announced Representative Hill. > > Selig, a 38 year old father of two from Ipswich was killed earlier this year > while riding his motorcycle when a teenage driver crossed the center line > and hit his motorcycle head on. > > "With this bill we hope to bring greater awareness of the more than 100,000 > motorcycles on the roads of the Commonwealth each year," said Hill, "and > prevent some senseless tragedies." [snip] > > "Even for experienced drivers, motorcycles are difficult to see if we're not > looking for them. Their speed is tough to judge. It's time we recognize they > are on the roads, and we promote more 'awareness' and everyone 'checking > twice,' looking out for them during the season," said Hill. The tone in the last remark is a little annoying and all too common. Motorcycles are treated like a oddball highway nuisance that must be "looked out for", like rockslides and deer. Also, I'm a little puzzled as to what a motorcycle awareness program would have done for the idiot in question who crossed the centerline and hit the rider "head on." Sounds like plain old bad driving since "head on" suggests straying across the centerline, not failing to see the MC and turning in front of it. Seems to me we need to address idiotic driving in general, no matter what vehicle the victim happens to be driving. I do agree that drivers need training with respect to the "misjudging speed" problem. It's the same phenomenon observed in the candidates for the "Darwin Award" who pull out in front of trains bearing down on them at 70-80 mph because the fast moving train, when viewed frontally, looks small and distant. Too many people rely on the "if it's small or far away, it can't hurt me" instinct. Yet more proof that the highways are only as safe as the least competent driver. Paul in DC 1991 CB750 http://users.erols.com/pawilson From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 4 13:26:20 2001 Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 13:25:08 -0500 From: Randy Moran To: dc cycles Subject: Re: Massachusetts Considers Motorcycle Awareness Training Paul Wilson wrote: > The tone in the last remark is a little annoying and all too common. > Motorcycles are treated like a oddball highway nuisance that must be "looked > out for", like rockslides and deer. As annoying as the tone might be, it can be said that motorcycles are indeed "oddball," especially in some of the colder regions of the country, and require an unfortunately uncommon vigilance to spot. I'm glad Rep. Hill is trying to address the problem. The fact is, no one looks out for us and some of that is because we are not the norm. It's something we all accept and take into account, right? Paul, I guess you're right about the crossing the center line thing; not much driver training can do about pure knuckleheadedness. But anything that will make people more aware of bikes on the road is a good thing, I think. -- Randy Moran http://www.geocities.com/rajmoran From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 4 13:38:32 2001 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 10:38:05 -0800 From: "Matthew Patton" X-Sent-Mail: off Subject: discount tires.com X-Sender-Ip: 209.117.173.15 Content-Language: en I ordered a set of Avalon Azaro II's for my NH for use during track days and CLASS/CSS. They were a good $30 cheaper than most other e-tailers and they arrived from Denver in less than 24hrs. I am flabbergasted! I guess I get to mount them this weekend on my spare set of wheels... theglobe.com Your friendly full-service integrated online community. http://www.theglobe.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 4 13:52:03 2001 Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 13:55 -0500 From: "Rob Bell" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Robert Verde pls contact off list Robert, As soon as i sent the message saying i'd send an old ride route I realized i now don't have your e-mail. If you'd like the info contact me off list. R '00 ZX-9R Voodoo '96 VFR From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 4 15:09:52 2001 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc cycles" Subject: Re: Massachusetts Considers Motorcycle Awareness Training Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 15:00:08 -0500 The motorcycle awareness program can't hurt, but it's a band aid at best. The Commonwealth needs to coach drivers to make the mental leap from the physical act of "looking" to cognitive act of "seeing." That seems to me to be the fundamental problem. Program's like MSF's SIPDE are valuable because they make driving an active mental process, thereby minimizing the "shit happens" factor behind a lot of accidents. SIPDE is based on the fact that there a very few crashes caused by purely unpredictable random acts, acts of God if you will. SIPDE teaches you to actively collect information from the environment and take corrective measures. Motorcycle training correctly places responsibility on the rider to pay attention and react correctly in order to stay out of trouble. Too many drivers adopt a passive approach, not doubt encouraged by vehicle designs that insulate the driver as much as possible from the environment. They do not anticipate scenarios that can lead to a crash, or adjust their behavior based on what might happen in a given situation. Part of the problem is terrible training. When I took driver's ed, more years ago than I care to admit, there was too much emphasis on legalisms that you needed to know in order to pass the written and driving tests, rather than on skills you need to safely pilot a four-wheeled weapon. I hope driver's ed is different now. Paul in DC 1991 CB750 http://users.erols.com/pawilson ----- Original Message ----- From: Randy Moran > Paul Wilson wrote: > > > The tone in the last remark is a little annoying and all too common. > > Motorcycles are treated like a oddball highway nuisance that must be "looked > > out for", like rockslides and deer. > > As annoying as the tone might be, it can be said that motorcycles are indeed > "oddball," especially in some of the colder regions of the country, and require > an unfortunately uncommon vigilance to spot. I'm glad Rep. Hill is trying to > address the problem. The fact is, no one looks out for us and some of that is > because we are not the norm. It's something we all accept and take into > account, right? > > Paul, I guess you're right about the crossing the center line thing; not much > driver training can do about pure knuckleheadedness. But anything that will > make people more aware of bikes on the road is a good thing, I think. > > -- > Randy Moran > http://www.geocities.com/rajmoran > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 4 17:04:42 2001 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 14:04:23 -0800 From: "Matthew Patton" X-Sent-Mail: off Subject: Tire reviews X-Sender-Ip: 209.117.173.15 Content-Language: en There is IMO a very nice review of all sorts of new tires out on www.motorcyclenews.com/features/fea_tyre_test_2_1.asp. Also if check out part 3 as it relates to SV650's and 600cc class bikes. Test 2 is targeted at the midrange or light heavy's. Very good read. theglobe.com Your friendly full-service integrated online community. http://www.theglobe.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 4 17:27:40 2001 Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 17:27:13 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Tire reviews To: pattonme@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Boomer Matthew Patton wrote: > > There is IMO a very nice review of all sorts of new tires out on www.motorcyclenews.com/features/fea_tyre_test_2_1.asp. Ahh, the Brits. What the heck do they mean by 'overbanding'???? Horkster -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi 1982 Suzuki GS850G 1987 Kawasaki Concours - untitled, un-named, previously un-loved New Member, Concours Rescue Society From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 4 17:39:18 2001 To: pattonme@XXXXXX, "Dale Horstman" Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 14:38:50 -0800 From: "Matthew Patton" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, "Boomer" X-Sent-Mail: off Subject: Re: Tire reviews X-Sender-Ip: 209.117.173.15 Content-Language: en may I suggest some appropriate light reading? http://www.highwaysmaintenance.com/kraktext.htm -- On Thu, 04 Jan 2001 17:27:13 Dale Horstman wrote: >Ahh, the Brits. What the heck do they >mean by 'overbanding'???? theglobe.com Your friendly full-service integrated online community. http://www.theglobe.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 4 17:46:09 2001 Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 17:42:58 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Tire reviews To: pattonme@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Boomer Matthew Patton wrote: > > may I suggest some appropriate light reading? > > http://www.highwaysmaintenance.com/kraktext.htm Ahh, tar snakes! Thanks, Dale -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi 1982 Suzuki GS850G 1987 Kawasaki Concours - untitled, un-named, previously un-loved New Member, Concours Rescue Society From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 5 08:26:47 2001 Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 05:26:37 -0800 (PST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: Meeting - Cryor's bill on children/motorcycles To: DC-Cycles I haven't been to these type of meetings before, but would like to attend to show my support for killing this bill. Are out of state people welcomed at events like these? I do ride in MD frequently. And as I told my girlfriend, when I have kids and they are mature enough, I plan on letting them ride with me if they choose to. Louis --- Stephen Harris wrote: > Greeting all; > > Below is e-mail regarding MD state delegate Jean Cryor's proposed bill on > children & motorcycling. Please attend if you can & show that we are not a > bunch of meatheads that need legislating into a warm soft place. > > >From: "Delegate Jean Cryor" > >Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 15:23:07 -0500 > > > >I have set up a meeting for Saturday January 6, at 1 PM in the large meeting > >room at Damascus Public Library to listen to your concerns regarding > >Children's Motorcycle Safety. > > > > > >Sincerely, > >Delegate Jean Cryor __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 5 08:47:39 2001 Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 08:48:27 -0800 To: DC-Cycles From: Stephen Harris Subject: Re: Meeting - Cryor's bill on children/motorcycles At 05:26 AM 1/5/01 -0800, Louis F. Caplan wrote: > >I haven't been to these type of meetings before, but would like to attend to >show my support for killing this bill. Are out of state people welcomed at >events like these? I do ride in MD frequently. And as I told my girlfriend, >when I have kids and they are mature enough, I plan on letting them ride with >me if they choose to. > >Louis Democracy in work. If you don't use it, you loose it. S Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 5 09:30:15 2001 Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 09:30:05 -0500 From: Chuck Pena To: pattonme@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: discount tires.com Matthew, Do you have an exact URL? I went to www.discounttires.com and didn't get anything motorcycle related. Thanx! Chuck Matthew Patton wrote: > > I ordered a set of Avalon Azaro II's for my NH for use during track days and CLASS/CSS. They were a good $30 cheaper than most other e-tailers and they arrived from Denver in less than 24hrs. I am flabbergasted! I guess I get to mount them this weekend on my spare set of wheels... > > theglobe.com > Your friendly full-service integrated online community. > http://www.theglobe.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 5 09:35:21 2001 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 06:33:30 -0800 From: "Matthew Patton" X-Sent-Mail: off Subject: snow "flurries" vs motorcycle X-Sender-Ip: 209.117.173.15 Content-Language: en well, me and the mc lost that round this morning. DC weather called for snow flurries. HA!! For the first 20 miles of my commute the weather was just fine. Then I hit RT 28 north of Manassas and there was a little snow coming down. No biggie, it's the snow flurries forecast. By the time I go 2 miles the road is no longer clean. The snow is sticking and people can't drive. But for good reason it turns out. I get up to US 50 and the snow is major. 1/8 inch or better. I gingerly follow tire tracks and cover that clutch. I make it another 4 miles wiping the piling snow off my visor and then I have to make a turn. All's fine till I lean the bike over. WHAM!! I have a close encounter with mr. earth at maybe 8 mph. I guess I should have straddle walked the thing through the turn. now I know better. The engine is howling and in gear, the handlebar has trapped my foot. I kick the cut-off switch and push the bike away. The sensation in my shoulder tells me it's dislocated. Great. 5 people decend on my stricken bike and 2 of them right it and slide it off the road. 911 is called at my request because I figure I'll need a ride to the local hospital. Amazingly the radio announces that there is an accident at my location not more than 2 minutes after the event. I ask a gentleman standing nearby to provide some traction on my arm. It doesn't feel like the shoulder is too far out. I little pulling and twisting and it feels a little better. I move it around. Yup it's back in. whew! Ambulance shows up within 3 minutes of the call. I assure him I'm ok and explain that yes I'm cold and got addrenaline running, hense that's why I'm shaking like a leaf. A co-worker happens by and I get a ride into work a scant 1.5 miles away. I guess I'm taking public transportation home tonight. What a way to start a weekend... Flurries my ass. theglobe.com Your friendly full-service integrated online community. http://www.theglobe.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 5 09:33:57 2001 Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 06:32:40 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: So who was Joe Hero today? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX So who had the brass balls to ride in today? And better yet, who's going to ride it home? Glenn __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 5 10:01:02 2001 From: "Smith, Steven" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Redneck Here Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 09:45:45 -0500 > -----Original Message-----From: "James Reazor"----- > > Mike, > I happen to be one of those liberal pukes (no offense taken) > but in this case I sort of agree with you. Don't get me wrong, I > think Gilmore's a conservative buffoon who couldn't make an > independent decision to save his life (no offense intended to > any other conservative buffoons) but I support the car tax > repeal just because it puts money back in the pockets of those > who earned it. I also have to say that I think it's the only > thing that got Gilmore elected. > > -James Hear, hear! A consumption tax, though no less noxious, has some economic justification. However, repeatedly punishing citizens for the ability to possess private property is despicable. This platform plank probably did go very far in getting Gilmore elected. Thankfully conservative buffoons running for Governor of Virginia are more honest than self-aggrandizing, closet Communists running as centrist Presidential candidates who promise tax cuts, a hard line on the PRC, and the most ethical administration in the twentieth century -- and are too morally and intellectually bankrupt to deliver. Politicians, as a group, tend to exude an odor and bear close scrutiny. Crash Peoples Republic of Alexandria AMA 572649, MARRC 2567, RAT 79802 1998 T595 Daytona, call her "Boudicca" From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 5 10:17:07 2001 From: "Paul Wilson" To: Cc: "dc cycles" Subject: Re: snow "flurries" vs motorcycle Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 10:13:53 -0500 Matt, glad you're OK. I rode this morning, and sneaked in just before the snow started. I heard that accident report, BTW, but nothing about a rider down. Whenever the weatherguessers say "no significant accumulation" is when I start to worry. Paul in DC 1991 CB750 http://users.erols.com/pawilson ----- Original Message ----- From: Matthew Patton To: Sent: Friday, January 05, 2001 9:33 AM Subject: snow "flurries" vs motorcycle > well, me and the mc lost that round this morning. DC weather called for snow flurries. HA!! .. From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 5 10:19:20 2001 Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 10:15:28 -0500 From: "Onur Topac" To: , Subject: Re: snow "flurries" vs motorcycle sorry to hear it bro. I went down in "flurries" about a month ago myself, braking at an intersection. Hope you feel better. Onur >>> "Matthew Patton" 01/05/01 09:33AM >>> well, me and the mc lost that round this morning. DC weather called for snow flurries. HA!! For the first 20 miles of my commute the weather was just fine. Then I hit RT 28 north of Manassas and there was a little snow coming down. No biggie, it's the snow flurries forecast. By the time I go 2 miles the road is no longer clean. The snow is sticking and people can't drive. But for good reason it turns out. I get up to US 50 and the snow is major. 1/8 inch or better. I gingerly follow tire tracks and cover that clutch. I make it another 4 miles wiping the piling snow off my visor and then I have to make a turn. All's fine till I lean the bike over. WHAM!! I have a close encounter with mr. earth at maybe 8 mph. I guess I should have straddle walked the thing through the turn. now I know better. The engine is howling and in gear, the handlebar has trapped my foot. I kick the cut-off switch and push the bike away. The sensation in my shoulder tells me it's dislocated. Great. 5 people decend on my stricken bike and 2 of them right it and slide it off the road. 911 is called at my request because I figure I'll need a ride to the local hospital. Amazingly the radio announces that there is an accident at my location not more than 2 minutes after the event. I ask a gentleman standing nearby to provide some traction on my arm. It doesn't feel like the shoulder is too far out. I little pulling and twisting and it feels a little better. I move it around. Yup it's back in. whew! Ambulance shows up within 3 minutes of the call. I assure him I'm ok and explain that yes I'm cold and got addrenaline running, hense that's why I'm shaking like a leaf. A co-worker happens by and I get a ride into work a scant 1.5 miles away. I guess I'm taking public transportation home tonight. What a way to start a weekend... Flurries my ass. theglobe.com Your friendly full-service integrated online community. http://www.theglobe.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 5 10:30:55 2001 From: "Cedric Bernescut" To: Subject: RE: snow "flurries" vs motorcycle Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 10:30:35 -0500 Damn, too bad about the accident. Glad you're OK. Did the EXACT same thing on the CBR myself last winter. Hopefully the plastic bodywork didn't suffer too much. Cedric -----Original Message----- From: Matthew Patton [mailto:pattonme@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, January 05, 2001 9:34 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: snow "flurries" vs motorcycle well, me and the mc lost that round this morning. DC weather called for snow flurries. HA!! For the first 20 miles of my commute the weather was just fine. Then I hit RT 28 north of Manassas and there was a little snow coming down. No biggie, it's the snow flurries forecast. By the time I go 2 miles the road is no longer clean. The snow is sticking and people can't drive. But for good reason it turns out. I get up to US 50 and the snow is major. 1/8 inch or better. I gingerly follow tire tracks and cover that clutch. I make it another 4 miles wiping the piling snow off my visor and then I have to make a turn. All's fine till I lean the bike over. WHAM!! I have a close encounter with mr. earth at maybe 8 mph. I guess I should have straddle walked the thing through the turn. now I know better. The engine is howling and in gear, the handlebar has trapped my foot. I kick the cut-off switch and push the bike away. The sensation in my shoulder tells me it's dislocated. Great. 5 people decend on my stricken bike and 2 of them right it and slide it off the road. 911 is called at my request because I figure I'll need a ride to the local hospital. Amazingly the radio announces that there is an accident at my location not more than 2 minutes after the event. I ask a gentleman standing nearby to provide some traction on my arm. It doesn't feel like the shoulder is too far out. I little pulling and twisting and it feels a little better. I move it around. Yup it's back in. whew! Ambulance shows up within 3 minutes of the call. I assure him I'm ok and explain that yes I'm cold and got addrenaline running, hense that's why I'm shaking like a leaf. A co-worker happens by and I get a ride into work a scant 1.5 miles away. I guess I'm taking public transportation home tonight. What a way to start a weekend... Flurries my ass. theglobe.com Your friendly full-service integrated online community. http://www.theglobe.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 5 10:34:29 2001 Subject: Re: snow "flurries" vs motorcycle To: pattonme@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Tom Knapik" Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 10:34:11 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on D04NMS69/04/M/IBM(Release 5.0.3 (Intl)|21 March 2000) at 01/05/2001 10:34:13 AM Matt, sorry to hear you went down but glad you came through with "minor" pains. Hope you have a safe place to leave your bike tonight..... Regards, Tom Knapik Federal SAP Deployment Focal E-mail: knapik@XXXXXX Phone: (301) 803-2417, tie-262-2417 "Matthew Patton" on 01/05/2001 09:33:30 AM Please respond to pattonme@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: Subject: snow "flurries" vs motorcycle well, me and the mc lost that round this morning. DC weather called for snow flurries. HA!! For the first 20 miles of my commute the weather was just fine. Then I hit RT 28 north of Manassas and there was a little snow coming down. No biggie, it's the snow flurries forecast. By the time I go 2 miles the road is no longer clean. The snow is sticking and people can't drive. But for good reason it turns out. I get up to US 50 and the snow is major. 1/8 inch or better. I gingerly follow tire tracks and cover that clutch. I make it another 4 miles wiping the piling snow off my visor and then I have to make a turn. All's fine till I lean the bike over. WHAM!! I have a close encounter with mr. earth at maybe 8 mph. I guess I should have straddle walked the thing through the turn. now I know better. The engine is howling and in gear, the handlebar has trapped my foot. I kick the cut-off switch and push the bike away. The sensation in my shoulder tells me it's dislocated. Great. 5 people decend on my stricken bike and 2 of them right it and slide it off the road. 911 is called at my request because I figure I'll need a ride to the local hospital. Amazingly the radio announces that there is an accident at my location not more than 2 minutes after the event. I ask a gentleman standing nearby to provide some traction on my arm. It doesn't feel like the shoulder is too far out. I little pulling and twisting and it feels a little better. I move it around. Yup it's back in. whew! Ambulance shows up within 3 minutes of the call. I assure him I'm ok and explain that yes I'm cold and got addrenaline running, hense that's why I'm shaking like a leaf. A co-worker happens by and I get a ride into work a scant 1.5 miles away. I guess I'm taking public transportation home tonight. What a way to start a weekend... Flurries my ass. theglobe.com Your friendly full-service integrated online community. http://www.theglobe.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 5 10:34:54 2001 Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 10:34:32 -0500 From: Dave Yates CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: snow "flurries" vs motorcycle Matthew Patton wrote: > > well, me and the mc lost that round this morning. DC weather called for snow flurries. HA!! For the first 20 miles of my commute the weather was just fine. Then I hit RT 28 north of Manassas and there was a little snow coming down. No biggie, it's the snow flurries forecast. By the time I go 2 miles the road is no longer clean. The snow is sticking and people can't drive. But for good reason it turns out. I get up to US 50 and the snow is major. 1/8 inch or better. I gingerly follow tire tracks and cover that clutch. I make it another 4 miles wiping the piling snow off my visor and then I have to make a turn. All's fine till I lean the bike over. WHAM!! I have a close encounter with mr. earth at maybe 8 mph. I guess I should have straddle walked the thing through the turn. now I know better. > > The engine is howling and in gear, the handlebar has trapped my foot. I kick the cut-off switch and push the bike away. The sensation in my shoulder tells me it's dislocated. Great. 5 people decend on my stricken bike and 2 of them right it and slide it off the road. 911 is called at my request because I figure I'll need a ride to the local hospital. Amazingly the radio announces that there is an accident at my location not more than 2 minutes after the event. I ask a gentleman standing nearby to provide some traction on my arm. It doesn't feel like the shoulder is too far out. I little pulling and twisting and it feels a little better. I move it around. Yup it's back in. whew! Ambulance shows up within 3 minutes of the call. I assure him I'm ok and explain that yes I'm cold and got addrenaline running, hense that's why I'm shaking like a leaf. A co-worker happens by and I get a ride into work a scant 1.5 miles away. > > I guess I'm taking public transportation home tonight. What a way to start a weekend... Flurries my ass. Speedy recovery for you & the bike. Glad you're ok (relatively)... 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 5 10:37:33 2001 Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 10:36:21 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: So who was Joe Hero today? To: Glenn Dysart , DC Cycles List Glenn Dysart wrote: > > So who had the brass balls to ride in today? And > better yet, who's going to ride it home? Tracy rode in this morning, but she left early, before the snow started falling. Don't know how she plans on getting home yet... :) It was coming down hard in Dale City when I left for work this morning, so I took the car, and promptly spun it around sideways at the first busy intersection I crossed. The pickup behind me narrowly avoided tagging me, everyone got to watch as I put it in reverse and straightened things out. Be careful out there. Horkster, caged -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi 1982 Suzuki GS850G 1987 Kawasaki Concours - untitled, un-named, previously un-loved New Member, Concours Rescue Society From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 5 10:46:32 2001 Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 10:40:27 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Redneck Here To: "Smith, Steven" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" "Smith, Steven" wrote: > > However, repeatedly punishing citizens for the ability to > possess private property is despicable. Agreed. > This platform plank probably did go > very far in getting Gilmore elected. That's the ONLY reason I voted for Gilmore, and to his credit, he is doing every thing he can to get rid of the tax. Horkster -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi 1982 Suzuki GS850G 1987 Kawasaki Concours - untitled, un-named, previously un-loved New Member, Concours Rescue Society From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 5 10:58:43 2001 Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 10:57:06 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: snow "flurries" vs motorcycle To: pattonme@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Matthew Patton wrote: > > well, me and the mc lost that round this morning. Matt, Bummer, sorry you went down, glad it wasn't worse...how's the bike? The roads were really slick once the snow started coming down. I still can't believe my car did a 180 at 3 mph... Dale -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi 1982 Suzuki GS850G 1987 Kawasaki Concours - untitled, un-named, previously un-loved New Member, Concours Rescue Society From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 5 11:05:51 2001 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc cycles" Subject: Re: So who was Joe Hero today? Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 11:03:41 -0500 I wouldn't call it "heroic", "mildly daffy" maybe, but I did ride to work today. By the time I hit the 14th St. Bridge, the "flurries" had become "snow showers." I flipped on the Weather Channel while suiting up and saw Loudoun and Prince William getting some heavier snow, but decided to ride anyway. I got to the lot at my workplace in Old Town Alex. before it really started coming down. I passed two riders on the GW Pkwy, including one stalwart on a black BMW who I wave at just about every day. Passing two bikes on the GW about average for this time of year, snow or not. I hope that's it for today and I'll ride home tonight unless we get more snow. Paul in DC 1991 CB750 http://users.erols.com/pawilson ----- Original Message ----- From: Glenn Dysart > So who had the brass balls to ride in today? And > better yet, who's going to ride it home? > > Glenn From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 5 13:36:27 2001 Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 13:37:05 -0800 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Stephen Harris Subject: The Passenger Bill More info on the proposed MD law to regulate children as passengers on the backs of motorcycles. Please attend the meeting on Saturday January 6, at 1 PM in the large meeting room at Damascus Public Library, espcially if delegate Cryor is your representative. Stephen Harris >From: "Delegate Jean Cryor" >To: (lots of names deleted) >Subject: The Passenger Bill >Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 12:20:21 -0500 >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >Importance: Normal >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 > >Thank you for the well thought out responses I have received regarding the >passenger bill. I am grateful for this input. As I have explained, the >intent of the bill is to be narrowly drawn and focused on the small >passenger. From our conversation, this I do know: We do not want to use >age, weight, or even height as the determinate for eligibility to be a >passenger. I believe that we want to say the ability to reach the foot >pads/pegs is what is crucial. I believe we are all in agreement that age, >weight, and grade in school are misleading. > >I am looking forward to seeing you on Saturday. If the only problem you had >with the bill was the age limitation, that was only part of the draft >process and will not be included in the final bill. If you are not able to >attend please feel free to contact my office at any time. > >It has been suggested that the bill would require proper clothing and >footwear. My concern is small children wearing flip-flops or sandals. I am >interested to hear your opinions. > >Although not explicit in the bill, the intent is to prevent >pre-kindergartners and younger children from riding on the backs of >motorcycles. > >A draft of the final bill will be distributed for comment, hopefully within >the next ten days. > > >Sincerely, >Jean Cryor > Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 5 13:51:46 2001 From: "Doug Allis" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: So who was Joe Hero today? Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 18:51:35 I rode too. No problems. Except for windshield snow. >From: "Paul Wilson" >Reply-To: "Paul Wilson" >To: "dc cycles" >Subject: Re: So who was Joe Hero today? >Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 11:03:41 -0500 > >I wouldn't call it "heroic", "mildly daffy" maybe, but I did ride to work >today. By the time I hit the 14th St. Bridge, the "flurries" had become >"snow showers." I flipped on the Weather Channel while suiting up and saw >Loudoun and Prince William getting some heavier snow, but decided to ride >anyway. I got to the lot at my workplace in Old Town Alex. before it >really >started coming down. I passed two riders on the GW Pkwy, including one >stalwart on a black BMW who I wave at just about every day. Passing two >bikes on the GW about average for this time of year, snow or not. I hope >that's it for today and I'll ride home tonight unless we get more snow. > >Paul in DC >1991 CB750 >http://users.erols.com/pawilson >----- Original Message ----- >From: Glenn Dysart > > > So who had the brass balls to ride in today? And > > better yet, who's going to ride it home? > > > > Glenn > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 5 14:27:14 2001 Date: 5 Jan 2001 11:27:01 -0800 To: dhallis@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: So who was Joe Hero today? On Fri, 05 January 2001, "Doug Allis" wrote: > > I rode too. No problems. Except for windshield snow. > You all are nuts. ;-) LAG ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 5 15:05:08 2001 Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 14:02:09 -0600 From: "George Cole" To: "<" Subject: Questions about crash damaged bikes. Hi everyone, In my search for a 2nd hand 600 to use as a track day and 2nd bike I can across this web page http://www.cycles4sale.org/ After a email response, I talked to a guy named Mike who runs this business. He has locally some 30 bikes for sale. for instance, some F4's and R6's for pretty cheap. Has anyone heard of or done business with this outfit? apparently he has some connections with Fast Lane Cycles. A lot of these bikes seem to have body work damage and scratches and maybe salvage titles? First can I register a salvage title in MD? I don't mind a little body damage but I am not sure I could spot or feel damaged or bent frame, or forks/suspension. Should I just run away from something like this? Thanks for any responses. George Cole 00 VFR Not crashed ?? From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 5 15:25:35 2001 From: "Doug Allis" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: So who was Joe Hero today? Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 20:25:24 > > I rode too. No problems. Except for windshield snow. > > >You all are nuts. ;-) > >LAG > > Yes I am... ABSOLUTELY!!!!!! Doug Allis DHAllis@XXXXXX _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 5 16:23:00 2001 From: Rich Westbrook To: DC-Cycles Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 16:20:12 -0500 Subject: Mint 750 Nighthawk, For Sale A friend of mine is selling this motorcycle. Please contact him not me. ---------- 1992 Nighthawk 750 Black. Aftermarket extras - Corbin seat, handlebars and mirrors, never downed, no rain, no rust, always garaged, meticulously cared for with records from new. 2nd experienced adult owner. Bike has had all servicing, new tires and battery. Work and travel schedule has prevented me from enjoying this bike, as I have not ridden more than six times since I purchased. A truly mint motorcycle. $2500 (202)256-4254, tdonnelly@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 5 16:36:14 2001 Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 16:35:58 -0500 To: Rich Westbrook From: Troutman Subject: Re: Mint 750 Nighthawk, For Sale Cc: DC-Cycles A '92 CB750 for $2500? He has to be kidding. At 04:20 PM 1/5/2001, Rich Westbrook wrote: >A friend of mine is selling this motorcycle. Please contact him not me. > >---------- > >1992 Nighthawk 750 > >Black. Aftermarket extras - Corbin seat, handlebars and mirrors, never >downed, no rain, no rust, always garaged, meticulously cared for with >records from new. 2nd experienced adult owner. Bike has had all servicing, >new tires and battery. Work and travel schedule has prevented me from >enjoying this bike, as I have not ridden more than six times since I >purchased. A truly mint motorcycle. $2500 (202)256-4254, >tdonnelly@XXXXXX ______________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org "No arsenal, or no weapon in the arsenals of the world, is so formidable as the will and moral courage of free men and women." --Ronald Reagan From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 5 17:45:33 2001 From: "Jay St. Peter" To: Cc: Subject: Re:Questions about crash damaged bikes. Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 17:44:01 -0500 X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Return-Path: jay.stpeter@XXXXXX X-MDRcpt-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-MDRemoteIP: 192.9.200.199 If that is Mike Orapello, I have bought some parts from him and he is a pretty cool guy. Former lister Collin bought his GSXR750 racebike from him and had pretty good luck (although I don't believe he ever titled it for the street). I definitely wouldn't say run, but I would say to be careful. I believe most of the bikes are going to be rebuilt and or still crash damaged bikes. It depends on your level of competency with a wrench. Just be sure to thoroughly inspect the bike. Look at the frame in particular for anything that looks amiss. A little crease could mean it's a little tweaked. Also look closely at the forks and swingarm for any damage there. Unless something catastrophic happened to crack the block, most of the japanese bikes you're talking about are relatively bulletproof in the engine dept. The only real thing I can think of might be a bent shifting mechanism. Just make sure the shifting is smooth. That's also a fairly cheap fix if you're good w/a wrench. FWIW, I think Collin paid about $750 at GMD to get his frame straightened and re-welded after a big crash at Summit. So, if the frame is tweaked enough to affect handling, that would be the downside. I would be leary about getting a salvage title if you plan on riding it on the street. Mike may know how to get a salvage title made "street legal". But, I think the title will always have a notation that it was formerly crash damaged. So, resale value will be low (much like the amount you paid). Just be sure to factor in the cost of all the parts you will need if you buy one that still has crash damage. Will you be happy with scratched and cracked bodywork and a dented tank, or will you be anal and replace it all $$$$? If you wind up getting anal, you will probably pay as much as, if not more than you would to get one already in excellent shape. And your resale will still be lower. It also depends on what you really plan on doing with the bike. If you ever plan on racing it, I would get it as cheap as possible (as you will put racing bodywork, suspension etc. on it anyway). If you just plan on the occasional track day and you want a good looking bike for weekend posing, maybe not. FWIW, I plan on going this route with my next bike (which I plan on using as a street/as many track days as possible bike). I do consider it a risk, but if you're careful I think the risk can be reduced to the point where any additional costs you may incur will only bring the cost up to one that was never crashed. Plus, I don't mind looking like a squid with rashed/spraypainted bodywork :) Good luck, Jay St. Peter From dc-cycles-request Sat Jan 6 15:17:52 2001 From: "Boomer" To: "Dale Horstman" , Cc: Subject: RE: Tire reviews Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 20:15:56 -0000 >Ahh, the Brits. What the heck do they >mean by 'overbanding'???? It's Anglic English for what you colonials call a "Tar Snake". Tar use to fill in a gap in the road. VERY slippery in the wet and it do rain here occasionally. Why "overbanding"? I have no idea. Tar Snake is more descriptive. The name was probably agreed by a government committee. Never mind, maybe we'll have another Guy Fawkes soon, and this one may even succeed. George "Boomer" Garratt Hullbridge, Essex, UK. 1986 GTR1000 A1, "Sanji" 1987 GTR1000 A2, Project "Hoolie" COG-SS #3242 CDA # 003 http://www.GTR1000.COM Boomer@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Sat Jan 6 18:42:15 2001 From: "Danny Thompson" To: Subject: Anyone want to go for a little ride tomorrow (Sunday)? Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 18:20:52 -0500 Let me know and I'll make a meeting place and time. After church.... Danny '98 VTR '00 SV (For Sale) '99 SV (race bike) Novice #903 www.onewayracing.org Sponsored by: Shen Valley Trailers: www.shenvalleywarrenton.com, toll free @ 888-743-6825 Blalock Cycle: www.blalockcycle.com, 540-347-4591 From dc-cycles-request Sat Jan 6 19:03:42 2001 Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 19:03:32 -0500 To: "Danny Thompson" , From: Andrew Culpepper Subject: Re: Anyone want to go for a little ride tomorrow (Sunday)? At 06:20 PM 1/5/01 , Danny Thompson wrote: >Let me know and I'll make a meeting place and time. After church.... >Danny I would. I can leave the Annandale area by 12:15pm. M-$M-:M-0`M-0M-:M-$M-x,M-8M-8,M-xM-$M-:M-0`M-0M-:M-$M-xM-$M-:M-0`M-0M-:M-$M-x,M-8M-8,M-xM-$M-:M-0`M-0M-:M-$M-xM-$M-:M-0`M-0M-:M-$M-x,M-8M-8,M-xM-$M-:M-0`M-0M-:M-$M-xM-$M-:M-0`M-0M-:M-$M-x,M-8 J. Andrew Culpepper King George, VA (540) 775-3984 '90 EX500 S-TRA# 100 MGNOC# 15488 From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 7 09:31:51 2001 From: "Danny Thompson" To: Subject: Sunday Ride Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 09:28:42 -0500 We are meeting about 1:30 at Sheetz at the intersection of Rt. 15 and Rt. 55, leaving about 1:45. All are welcome to join us. It will be a fairly relaxed ride about 100 miles or so. Danny '98 VTR '00 SV (For Sale) '99 SV (race bike) Novice #903 www.onewayracing.org Sponsored by: Shen Valley Trailers: www.shenvalleywarrenton.com, toll free @ 888-743-6825 Blalock Cycle: www.blalockcycle.com, 540-347-4591 From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 7 10:09:02 2001 From: "Chris Weaver" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: Moto Passenger Meeting on TV Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 10:09:06 -0500 I just now saw a bit about the motorcycle passenger legislation meeting on News Channel 8. Given the number of times they air stuff on that channel, it will probably be viewable all day. It was about a 30-second spot. Chris Weaver '98 VTR1000F '89 YSR50 www.dccycles.com From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 7 12:50:52 2001 Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 09:50:43 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Marhefsky Subject: 1996 Trident for sale - cheap! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX 1996 Trident 900 (Black/red) with 1850 miles. Micron pipes, corbin seat,rack, center stand. Bike is as new with transferrable warranty gooduntil 12/12/2004. I'm selling only because it does not fit me well (and I want a 2001 tiger). Sacrifice $4500 or best offer. I'll also include a Triumph shop manual, front fender extension, racetech goldvalve emulators. I've posted a couple of pics - members.bellatlantic.net/~sly/trident1.jpg members.bellatlantic.net/~sly/trident2.jpg members.bellatlantic.net/~sly/trident2.jpg Please contact me at bmarhefsky@XXXXXX or phone me at (703) 243-0115 Bike is located in Arlington, VA. Thanks! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 7 13:26:20 2001 From: "Edward Rosenbrock" To: Subject: bike for sale Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 13:23:54 -0800 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C078AD.155F0D00 Hi guys! I'm leaving the country in two months and I selling my motorcycle. It's = a honda cbr1000f, 15 k miles. Excellent condition. Model 1994. Price: = $4700 Always garage kept. I could be interested in trading for a brand new model ( year 1999 or = 2000) smaller bike but has to be 0 mile!! E.Rosenbrock ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C078AD.155F0D00
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------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C078AD.155F0D00-- From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 7 13:33:32 2001 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 13:31:19 -0500 Subject: MARRC Awards Banquet - Saturday, January 27, 2001 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 3-4,6-23,25-35,37,39-40,42 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Tom Fitzpatrick This is it! The big event! Honoring the members of the Mid Atlantic Road Racing Community. MARRC Cornerworkers and Local Racers will be honored by their peers. New MARRC Directors and Officers will be installed. This is a great event. It supports the organization that supports you, and it is a terrific way to get together in the off season. When: Saturday, January 27, 2001, from 6:00 to 11:00 Where: Holiday Inn, Laurel, MD Cost: $30 per person - a bargain at twice the price! Contact: Wendy Leland at 301-441-9220 and at newsletter@XXXXXX to sign up for the banquet. You must register in advance in order to attend. CALL NOW! Get all the details on the fabulous MARRC web page at: http://marrc.nova.org/html_docs/calendar.html Hope to see you there! Tom Tom Fitzpatrick CCS#806 (http://www.celticracing.com) Sponsors: *Fast Lane Cycles/fastlanecycles@XXXXXX/703-818-8890/ (http://www.fastlanecycles.com)* *Barnacle Bill's Racing Leathers - barnacle@XXXXXX (http://www.racingleather.com)* *A.F.S. Contractor Inc. - Insurance Recovery Specialist for Your Home* *Janet Bell TAX Preparation, Accounting and Consulting (belljan@XXXXXX)* From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 8 07:40:51 2001 Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 04:40:26 -0800 (PST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: AMA changes? To: DC-Cycles Recently I read about how the AMA selected a new president, Robert Rasor. All it said about J. Scott Thornton was that he retired after serving since Nov 1999. However, from the articles he wrote for American Motorcyclist, it seemed like he planned on serving as president for a much longer period of time and wanted to help with more changes. Has anyone heard of any reason why he suddenly stepped down? Just curious. Louis __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 8 08:21:45 2001 Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 08:22:36 -0800 To: "DC Cycles" From: Stephen Harris Subject: Re: Moto Passenger Meeting on TV I went to the meeting, the camara didn't show up until about he last ten minutes of the hour long or so meeting. It was pretty interesting. Some hyperbole & non-sequitors raise. One woman actually asked rep Cryor what this law would mean for her friend who is a dwarf, but then again she claimed to be studing constitutional law & refered to out constitutional right to ride motorcycles (I must have missed that part of the constitution...:-). But overall there was a lot of very good points raised, none of which were in favor of the law. I think we are going to get screwed in MD, if not by representative Cryor, then by more liberal elements of the MD legislator. Motorcyclist's in MD are really out numbered by the goverment control types. Even if every motorcyclist in the state complained to their representative, I see the raised spector of "child safety" is going to crush any resistance of reason we raise. Still, I'm going to write letters, try to get my fellow motorcyclists involved, attend meetings & speak up as I did, but I don't see that we have a chance. The sad thing is, the root cause of this, a child custody case, will not be resolved in any way. I don't doubt for a minute that the offending father in question will simply alter his passenger foot pegs so as to be in compliance with the law, and continue to pick up his son for visitation on a bike just to piss off the EX. At 10:09 AM 1/7/01 -0500, Chris Weaver wrote: >I just now saw a bit about the motorcycle passenger legislation meeting on >News Channel 8. Given the number of times they air stuff on that channel, it >will probably be viewable all day. It was about a 30-second spot. > >Chris Weaver >'98 VTR1000F >'89 YSR50 >www.dccycles.com > > > Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 8 08:45:26 2001 Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 08:45:21 -0500 From: "Chris Norloff" To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Meeting - Cryor's bill on children/motorcycles >At 05:26 AM 1/5/01 -0800, Louis F. Caplan wrote: >>Are out of state people welcomed at >>events like these? I do ride in MD frequently > >From: Stephen Harris > Democracy in work. If you don't use it, you loose it. True, but politicians often care little about what people who can't vote for them think. Nothing quite like lobbying a legislature and finding out that no one really cares what you think unless you can vote for them. What's the answer to Louis' question, anyway? Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 8 08:47:39 2001 Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 08:47:35 -0500 From: "Chris Norloff" To: Subject: Re: So who was Joe Hero today? ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Glenn Dysart >So who had the brass balls to ride in today? And >better yet, who's going to ride it home? No problem - the main roads were all clear by 4:30. One road near home was snow-packed but that wasn't a problem with no traffic to deal with. Still, if I'd heard the weather-guess ... uh, weather forecast ... I would have taken the sidecar rig to work. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 8 08:50:47 2001 Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 08:50:42 -0500 From: "Chris Norloff" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: Redneck Here ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Dale Horstman >That's the ONLY reason I voted for Gilmore, and to his credit, he is >doing every thing he can to get rid of the tax. Yeah, like cutting road and education funding. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 8 08:58:44 2001 Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 08:58:41 -0500 From: "Chris Norloff" To: , Subject: Re: snow "flurries" vs motorcycle ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Matthew Patton" >well, me and the mc lost that round this morning. ...All's fine till I lean the bike over. WHAM!! I have a close encounter with mr. earth at maybe 8 mph. I guess I should have straddle walked the thing through the turn. now I know better. > Very sorry to hear. Glad you're basically okay. I've ridden in snow when there was little enough traction that the rear tire would spin if I gave it more than a little throttle. In cases like that I try to keep the bike upright (straddle-walking around turns, out of traffic). I also find that turning with my feet - putting my weight on the inside peg - works better than countersteering. It keeps my weight more centered, and the front end isn't as prone to wash out. best, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 8 09:26:14 2001 Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 09:26:00 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: snow "flurries" vs motorcycle At 08:58 AM 1/8/01, you wrote: >I've ridden in snow when there was little enough traction that the rear >tire would spin if I gave it more than a little throttle. In cases like >that I try to keep the bike upright (straddle-walking around turns, out of >traffic). I also find that turning with my feet - putting my weight on >the inside peg - works better than countersteering. It keeps my weight >more centered, and the front end isn't as prone to wash out. Chris - do you have a car? If so - why would you ride in conditions like that? I can understand getting stuck in a sudden snow storm, but I can't understand planning to ride in it. At least not on a bike with all of its weight on the front wheel. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org I spent a lot of money on wine and women and like a fool I squandered the rest. - Benny Hill From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 8 09:33:30 2001 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc cycles" Subject: Who's riding to Philadelphia? Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 09:30:11 -0500 So far the weather guessers are forecasting highs in the upper 40s and low 50s for Saturday. Perfect for riding to the Philadelphia Motorcycle Show. I'm thinking of slightly more scenic routes on the way up and slabbing it on the way back. Also, to those who have been before, are there lockers for storing gear? My bike is lacking in the lockable storage department. Depending on the parking situation a cable lock through Aerostich sleeve and helmet might do the trick. Paul in DC 1991 CB750 From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 8 09:36:56 2001 Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 06:36:50 -0800 (PST) From: Trey Herb Subject: Re: Moto Passenger Meeting on TV - OT RANT RANT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >I don't doubt for a minute > that the offending > father in question will simply alter his passenger > foot pegs so as to be in > compliance with the law, and continue to pick up his > son for visitation on > a bike just to piss off the EX. >snip Good for him. I love to piss off the EX. I do think he should be a little more concerned about the safety of carrying the child though. We can piss people off and be safe at the same time. I thought someone on this list mentioned that the law in MD alread had provision for a passenger to be able to reach the pegs. Is this true? If so why are we making a new law, just enforce the old one. If I am not careful this will turn into a gun law rant. If the GD ATF would enforce the GD... (Help the MMM (million mom marchers) have intersepted my messages and are preparing storm my fortress- all freedom loving people grab your guns. Paint big haired women and minivans on your targets. Take no prisoners these people cannot be re-educated. Such is the price of freedom) Now I must go club some baby seals. BTW - I would be just as pissed of if the ATF did enforce the GD laws. Peace Trey ( just a little prickly today) --- Stephen Harris wrote: > > I went to the meeting, the camara didn't show up > until about he last ten > minutes of the hour long or so meeting. It was > pretty interesting. Some > hyperbole & non-sequitors raise. One woman actually > asked rep Cryor what > this law would mean for her friend who is a dwarf, > but then again she > claimed to be studing constitutional law & refered > to out constitutional > right to ride motorcycles (I must have missed that > part of the > constitution...:-). But overall there was a lot of > very good points > raised, none of which were in favor of the law. > > > I think we are going to get screwed in MD, if not > by representative Cryor, > then by more liberal elements of the MD legislator. > Motorcyclist's in MD > are really out numbered by the goverment control > types. Even if every > motorcyclist in the state complained to their > representative, I see the > raised spector of "child safety" is going to crush > any resistance of reason > we raise. Still, I'm going to write letters, try to > get my fellow > motorcyclists involved, attend meetings & speak up > as I did, but I don't > see that we have a chance. > > The sad thing is, the root cause of this, a child > custody case, will not > be resolved in any way. I don't doubt for a minute > that the offending > father in question will simply alter his passenger > foot pegs so as to be in > compliance with the law, and continue to pick up his > son for visitation on > a bike just to piss off the EX. > > > At 10:09 AM 1/7/01 -0500, Chris Weaver wrote: > >I just now saw a bit about the motorcycle passenger > legislation meeting on > >News Channel 8. Given the number of times they air > stuff on that channel, it > >will probably be viewable all day. It was about a > 30-second spot. > > > >Chris Weaver > >'98 VTR1000F > >'89 YSR50 > >www.dccycles.com > > > > > > > > Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? > Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 8 09:53:50 2001 Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 09:54:38 -0800 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Stephen Harris Subject: Re: Moto Passenger Meeting on TV - OT RANT RANT At 06:36 AM 1/8/01 -0800, Trey Herb wrote: >I thought someone on this list mentioned that the law >in MD alread had provision for a passenger to be able >to reach the pegs. Is this true? Aparently this is not the case, that other person was wrong. I'm not an attorney, have have not studied the statutes, but representative Cryor sez this is the case, and I'm sure she would not have wasted her time without checking on this first. There is some thought, according to an retired law enforcement officer in attendence, that child endangerment laws would address this. But like I said, I am not an atty. S Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 8 10:00:07 2001 Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 10:00:47 -0500 From: Chuck Pena To: Paul Wilson CC: dc cycles Subject: Re: Who's riding to Philadelphia? Paul, I don't recall there being any lockers at the convention center in Philly. Bt I wouldn't know absolutely 100% for sure since I've never had the need or looked for any. As for cable locking stuff to your m/c... Remember that you're in the "big city". Would you do this and feel safe doing so in DC? 'Nuff said. Chuck Paul Wilson wrote: > > So far the weather guessers are forecasting highs in the upper 40s and low > 50s for Saturday. Perfect for riding to the Philadelphia Motorcycle Show. > I'm thinking of slightly more scenic routes on the way up and slabbing it on > the way back. Also, to those who have been before, are there lockers for > storing gear? My bike is lacking in the lockable storage department. > Depending on the parking situation a cable lock through Aerostich sleeve and > helmet might do the trick. > > Paul in DC > 1991 CB750 From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 8 10:04:40 2001 Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 10:06:26 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Erick Singley Subject: solar battery charger? Greetings from a totally new rider (other than the MD safety course) - I'll be getting my first bike as soon as I can pick it up in VA. After lurking and learning, I remember a 'battery tender' being mentioned useful, especially in colder weather. Harbor Freight is selling a 12V solar battery charger for $20. Is this the same thing? (my bike will be parked too far for a plug-in type) http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/taf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=35695 Thanks, Erick From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 8 10:11:31 2001 From: Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 10:09:11 -0500 Subject: Re: Who's riding to Philadelphia? To: the_penas@XXXXXX Cc: pawilson@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on US-AMSMTA005/US/INTL(Release 5.0.5 |September 22, 2000) at 01/08/2001 10:10:51 AM I haven't been to the Phily show before, but I know the one in NYC has a coat/gear check. I would think Phily would do similar. Although be warned, as I recall the line for the check was enormous. --chris Chuck Pena on 01/08/2001 10:00:47 AM Please respond to the_penas@XXXXXX To: Paul Wilson cc: dc cycles Subject: Re: Who's riding to Philadelphia? Paul, I don't recall there being any lockers at the convention center in Philly. Bt I wouldn't know absolutely 100% for sure since I've never had the need or looked for any. As for cable locking stuff to your m/c... Remember that you're in the "big city". Would you do this and feel safe doing so in DC? 'Nuff said. Chuck Paul Wilson wrote: > > So far the weather guessers are forecasting highs in the upper 40s and low > 50s for Saturday. Perfect for riding to the Philadelphia Motorcycle Show. > I'm thinking of slightly more scenic routes on the way up and slabbing it on > the way back. Also, to those who have been before, are there lockers for > storing gear? My bike is lacking in the lockable storage department. > Depending on the parking situation a cable lock through Aerostich sleeve and > helmet might do the trick. > > Paul in DC > 1991 CB750 ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 8 10:12:36 2001 Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 10:12:29 -0500 From: Dave Yates CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: solar battery charger? Erick Singley wrote: > > Greetings from a totally new rider (other than the MD safety course) > - I'll be getting my first bike as soon as I can pick it up in VA. Congrats. > After lurking and learning, I remember a 'battery tender' being > mentioned useful, especially in colder weather. Harbor Freight is > selling a 12V solar battery charger for $20. Is this the same thing? No, but I don't have any experience one way or the other with the solar charger. the Battery Tender does work well however... > (my bike will be parked too far for a plug-in type) I understand. but soon, I'll have a garage to park the bike in :-) for $20, why not give the solar charger a try ? -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 8 10:15:30 2001 From: "Cedric Bernescut" To: "dc-cycles@dc-cycles. org (E-mail)" Subject: a few chuckles Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 10:15:17 -0500 CBR's still out of commission so I surfed instead of riding. Did manage to get a spare moment to put on a new brake pedal over the weekend. Getting the old one off was a real PITA, using the end of the needle-nose pliers to shove the old cotter pin out isn't the best idea. Having fresh band-aids around though, is a good one. I also discovered the concept of snap-ring pliers, they are amazingly more effective than a pair of Vise-Grips and a flat-blade screwdriver. Home Depot carries them and you can pick them up at midnight on Saturday night :) Humorous site that poles fun at Rich Urban Bikers, winter flame starter: http://www.wildboomer.com/yuppiebikerif.htm Cedric 1996 CBR600F3 Annandale, VA " From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 8 10:18:15 2001 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc cycles" Subject: Re: Who's riding to Philadelphia? Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 10:17:08 -0500 ----- Original Message ----- From: Chuck Pena > Paul, > > I don't recall there being any lockers at the convention center in > Philly. Bt I wouldn't know absolutely 100% for sure since I've never > had the need or looked for any. As for cable locking stuff to your > m/c... Remember that you're in the "big city". Would you do this and > feel safe doing so in DC? 'Nuff said. > > Chuck Depends on the situation. In an attended lot or garage, yes, parked on the street at 14th and U, no. Paul in DC 1991 CB750 From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 8 10:26:09 2001 Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 10:25:37 -0500 From: "Chris Norloff" To: Subject: Re: snow "flurries" vs motorcycle Yes, I have a car, but I prefer the sidecar rig if the weather's bad. I'm biased toward motorcycles for the HOV lanes and parking at work - cars just don't come close. No, I don't intentionally ride in dangerous conditions, I just work to ride and ride to work. If you approach it with an eye toward traction and balance you can do a lot more with a motorcycle than most people think. Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Troutman Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 09:26:00 -0500 >At 08:58 AM 1/8/01, you wrote: >>I've ridden in snow when there was little enough traction that the rear >>tire would spin if I gave it more than a little throttle. In cases like >>that I try to keep the bike upright (straddle-walking around turns, out of >>traffic). I also find that turning with my feet - putting my weight on >>the inside peg - works better than countersteering. It keeps my weight >>more centered, and the front end isn't as prone to wash out. > >Chris - do you have a car? If so - why would you ride in conditions like >that? I can understand getting stuck in a sudden snow storm, but I can't >understand planning to ride in it. At least not on a bike with all of its >weight on the front wheel. > >___________________________________________ > > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org > >I spent a lot of money on wine and women and like a fool I >squandered the rest. - Benny Hill > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 8 10:47:40 2001 Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 10:45:08 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Redneck Here To: cnorloff@XXXXXX Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Chris Norloff wrote: > > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: Dale Horstman > >That's the ONLY reason I voted for Gilmore, and to his credit, he is > >doing every thing he can to get rid of the tax. > > Yeah, like cutting road and education funding. > > Chris Norloff Wanna make an omelette? Gotta break a few eggs. Time to have VA government do more with less... I'm way tired of paying taxes every year on a vehicle I bought years ago (or on one that technically I don't own until it is paid off). -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi 1982 Suzuki GS850G 1987 Kawasaki Concours - untitled, un-named, previously un-loved New Member, Concours Rescue Society From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 8 10:51:34 2001 Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 07:44:21 -0800 (PST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: Meeting - Cryor's bill on children/motorcycles To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Chris Norloff wrote: > >At 05:26 AM 1/5/01 -0800, Louis F. Caplan wrote: > >>Are out of state people welcomed at > >>events like these? I do ride in MD frequently > > > >From: Stephen Harris > > Democracy in work. If you don't use it, you loose it. > > True, but politicians often care little about what people who can't vote for > them think. Nothing quite like lobbying a legislature and finding out that > no one really cares what you think unless you can vote for them. > > What's the answer to Louis' question, anyway? Well, I never did get an answer, but figured I'd go anyway to see what it would be like, and to at least show some support. Ms. Cryor went around before the meeting began, shaking everyone's hand and asking where they lived. She didn't run away when I said VA, but didn't make much conversation either. :-) This was the first political type of meeting I've ever been to, and even though I didn't speak up and say anything, I learned a lot by watching and listening to people. I happened to sit right in front of Bill Gawthorp (hope I spelled that right??). Bill had all the facts, numbers, statistics, Ms. Cryor's biography, made suggestions to others about how to word their statements, etc. He also corrected Ms. Cryor a few times when she made certain claims. I also sat across from (Katherine L??) a MSF instructor in MD who also made several good points, and had posted on DC-Cycles about this as well. >From my observations (and since I'm hard of hearing, I did miss certain things, so I may not be 100% correct) it seems that Ms. Cryor was hopping from one reason to another. At one point she brought up the child custody suit, and at another point she said that "someone else" in Annapolis was going to draft a tougher law (but wouldn't say who), and that similar laws were being drafted in other states; so this would put something softer in place so they wouldn't have the worse law. (i.e. lose a little bit of your rights now so you don't lose more later) She never mentioned the Dr. Gridlock column, it was a fellow rider who pointed out that all this seemed to start after that column. There were several good, well thought out statements [almost to the point of speeches ;-) ] Ms. Cryor seemed upset because she and the MD motorcycle community had always gotten along before. However, the leader of ABATE said that while they worked together before, they were going to fight her and her proposal. The only part I felt a little cheated on was that this meeting was for motorcyclists only, Ms. Cryor wanted to "learn more" about how motorcyclists felt about the proposal, and perhaps rewrite it to better fit our "needs." Thus none of the "supporters" of the bill were there. Not that I thought it would be an ambush, but I wanted to hear what they had to say as well, not because I think they are right, but it would be more balanced to hear both sides. All in all, I'm glad I went. The experience made me think that I might look into the "AMA Eagles" program or other motorcycle rights type of training. Louis ===== "Admiral" Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours Alexandria, VA Co-Planner, MD20-20 http://www.masondixon20-20.org/ Home Page: http://members.nbci.com/Nighthawk700/cycle.htm __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 8 10:54:10 2001 Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 07:54:03 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: snow "flurries" vs motorcycle To: Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Troutman wrote: > Chris - do you have a car? If so - why would you > ride in conditions like > that? I can understand getting stuck in a sudden > snow storm, but I can't > understand planning to ride in it. At least not on > a bike with all of its > weight on the front wheel. Isn't this pretty much the same as the question "Why do you ride a motorcycle anyway? Those things are dangerous, why my cousin's uncle had one of those things and he . . ." Leon. I ride because on a motorcycle, the rewards and punishments for doing it right or wrong are much more intense than doing the same in a car. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 8 10:59:23 2001 Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 10:59:53 -0500 From: Chuck Pena To: Paul Wilson CC: dc cycles Subject: Re: Who's riding to Philadelphia? I don't know if there are any actual garages right near the convention center. When I've gone there (in my car), I either park on the street or in a nearby lot. FWIW, the lots are "attended" but I don't know how well watched they are. Paul Wilson wrote: > > Depends on the situation. In an attended lot or garage, yes, parked on the > street at 14th and U, no. From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 8 11:05:58 2001 Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 11:05:42 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: snow "flurries" vs motorcycle At 10:54 AM 1/8/01, Leon Begeman wrote: >Isn't this pretty much the same as the question "Why >do you ride a motorcycle anyway? Those things are >dangerous, why my cousin's uncle had one of those >things and he . . ." > >Leon. >I ride because on a motorcycle, the rewards and >punishments for doing it right or wrong are much more >intense than doing the same in a car. No - to me they are totally different. Riding a motorcycle in the snow, when you are forced to put your feet down to keep from falling in a turn, or to steer using your pegs rather than slide the front end ... is totally different than the risks we face riding in the rain or on a clear day. Not to mention the increased risk other drivers pose to you - especially in this area. Not only are they more likely not to see you, you have less control to evade (at least on the side streets). I wasn't out to harass Chris - if he rides to get the HOV lanes and park, then that is totally valid. Especially since the main roads are generally clear, it is just a few miles of side roads that pose a risk. How can you compare the two Leon? ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org I spent a lot of money on wine and women and like a fool I squandered the rest. - Benny Hill From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 8 11:40:43 2001 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc cycles" Subject: Re: snow "flurries" vs motorcycle Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 11:39:33 -0500 ----- Original Message ----- From: Leon Begeman > --- Troutman wrote: > > Chris - do you have a car? If so - why would you > > ride in conditions like > > that? I can understand getting stuck in a sudden > > snow storm, but I can't > > understand planning to ride in it. At least not on > > a bike with all of its > > weight on the front wheel. > > Isn't this pretty much the same as the question "Why > do you ride a motorcycle anyway? Those things are > dangerous, why my cousin's uncle had one of those > things and he . . ." > > Leon. > I ride because on a motorcycle, the rewards and > punishments for doing it right or wrong are much more > intense than doing the same in a car. I like riding in a light snow cover. It's neat seeing first hand how big your contact patch is. :^) Seriously though, if you do find yourself in a dicey situation, smooth throttle and brake application is key. I usually chicken out if the streets look iffy, but I pushed my luck once last winter on the commute home. That night I braked for a stop sign and had the rear end break loose on me on an icy patch. It nearly came around 90 degrees for a nice juicy lowside, but I was going very slowly and somehow I remained upright. I've never had the front wheel bust loose on snow or ice. Ice and snow is one situation where the normal braking rules don't apply. Use the rear brake lightly and the front _very_ lightly. A rear wheel slide is much preferred to a front wheel lock up. Don't chop the throttle either. Just remember that spinning wheels are stable wheels. The roads were fine on the ride home on Friday, so it wasn't even a tough call. It was warm enough we didn't have the side street freeze up that usually happens on unsalted pavement. Paul in DC 1991 CB750 http://users.erols.com/pawilson From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 8 12:01:25 2001 Subject: Fallen Rider (possible rumor) To: Dc-Cycles@XXXXXX From: jitabashi@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 10:00:34 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on WBLN0014/Facility/World Bank(Release 5.0.5 |September 22, 2000) at 01/08/2001 10:00:35 AM Hello, Not to be the bearer of bad news but did any one hear about the 15yr old kid that was killed riding an R6, he was supposedly from Olney, MD. What was he doing on street motorcycle at all at 15. Does anyone have details about what happened. James Itabashi The World Bank Group Site 8 SMS Administrator ISGGC - ISGITC 202-458-1697 x.81697 I2-165D jitabashi@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 8 12:04:05 2001 From: "Doug Allis" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: snow "flurries" vs motorcycle Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 17:03:55 >Use the rear brake lightly and the >front _very_ lightly. A rear wheel slide is much preferred to a front >wheel >lock up. Don't chop the throttle either. Just remember that spinning >wheels are stable wheels. I learned this Friday evening. >The roads were fine on the ride home on Friday, so it wasn't even a tough >call. It was warm enough we didn't have the side street freeze up that >usually happens on unsalted pavement. Agreed, except that the pipestem driveway down to my house was nice and ice by the time I got to it. Usually when this happens I usually leave my PC-800 at the top of the drive or ride the grass down to my house. This time I (stupidly) did the driveway and then realized I had to avoid a car parked at the end. Yikes! The rear swung out and I laid it (gently) on the PC's leftside "fairing protectors". I stood it up and left it there until the Saturday sun melted it all. Damage: I cracked the "disposable" plastic "fairing protector" thingie, maybe $75 if I go original equipment. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 8 12:18:21 2001 Date: 8 Jan 2001 09:18:13 -0800 To: jitabashi@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: Dc-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Fallen Rider (possible rumor) On Mon, 08 January 2001, jitabashi@XXXXXX wrote: What was he > doing on street motorcycle at age 15 uh, and an R6 at that...I'm not even going to comment on this one because I won't be nice considering I can't imagine a 15 year old on that bike was doing anything smart. I could be wrong, though... LAG ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 8 12:58:30 2001 Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 12:58:17 -0500 From: Jay Goddard To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" , "mad@XXXXXX" Subject: Philly motorcycle show We are taking our new (to us) Suburban on it's maiden voyage up to the Philly bike show (http://www.motorcycleshows.com/ph.cfm) this Saturday. We have 4 open seats (the truck seats 8, we hope to have a total of 7). We hope to leave the 495/River Road exit at 7:30. The show opens at 10:00 and it is about a 2.5 hour drive. We will leave the show at 9:00, and get back to 495/River before midnight. In the past at shows like this we get bored around 1:00 go find lunch (CHEESE STEAKS) in the city, then go back to the show for a few hours, then find some place cool for dinner. But really you can do whatever you want while you are there. We are asking for $12 to cover gas, tolls and parking. If you are interested please drop Lisa (lisa@XXXXXX) or I (redbelly@XXXXXX) an Email. Jay & Lisa Goddard VFR, ZX-11 and the Monster From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 8 13:00:08 2001 Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 08:50:34 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Who's riding to Philadelphia? To: the_penas@XXXXXX, Paul Wilson Cc: dc cycles I parked in a garage when I went up there last year. Because of the ice on the ramps, they were very limited on space, but had me put the bike right next to the window; they couldn't help but look at it. Leon. --- Chuck Pena wrote: > I don't know if there are any actual garages right > near the convention > center. When I've gone there (in my car), I either > park on the street > or in a nearby lot. FWIW, the lots are "attended" > but I don't know how > well watched they are. > > Paul Wilson wrote: > > > > Depends on the situation. In an attended lot or > garage, yes, parked on the > > street at 14th and U, no. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 8 13:02:56 2001 Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 08:16:13 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: Redneck Here To: Dale Horstman , cnorloff@XXXXXX Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" I agree Dale, we pay way too many taxes as it is. Some one needs to start making gubmint more thrifty so we can keep some of those $$$ in OUR pockets! Glenn --- Dale Horstman wrote: > Wanna make an omelette? Gotta break a few eggs. > Time to > have VA government do more with less... I'm way > tired > of paying taxes every year on a vehicle I bought > years > ago (or on one that technically I don't own until it > is > paid off). __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 8 13:03:39 2001 Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 13:03:36 -0500 From: "Chris Norloff" To: Subject: Re: snow "flurries" vs motorcycle ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Troutman >Riding a motorcycle in the snow, >when you are forced to put your feet down to keep from falling in a turn, >or to steer using your pegs rather than slide the front end ... is totally >different than the risks we face riding in the rain or on a clear day. Not totally different - really it's more of the same. Riding on any low friction surface requires similar techniques. You learn to feel the bike move under you, to feel each tire for how much it's slipping (slip angle is very important in turns on pavement), and you learn how your bike feels on low friction surfaces. So the next time you see sand in the road, leaves, manhole covers, steel plates, etc. you have a choice besides total avoidance. This is real-life riding. I hear too many tales of riders falling over because of sand, a wet road, etc. - roads are almost always messy, and dealing with that is very important. >Not >to mention the increased risk other drivers pose to you - especially in >this area. Not only are they more likely not to see you, you have less >control to evade (at least on the side streets). Agreed. >I wasn't out to harass Chris - if he rides to get the HOV lanes and park, >then that is totally valid. I don't feel harassed, I think you asked a good question. Let's keep going! -- Chris Norloff, Virginia '92 Honda ST1100 ABS STOC #1290 '90 Honda Pacific Coast (PC800) "Callipygian" '81 Honda CB750F with Jupiter sidecar "Soul-less Appliance" - a pejorative term for a motorcycle that doesn't break down. -- From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 8 13:07:23 2001 From: "Doug Allis" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re:Redneck here Taxes here Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 18:07:12 Oh but only if it was soooo easy.... I love the debate on this subject. My degree was "State and Local Government Finance" so I feel free to add a few supposedly informed cents to the subject ;~) 1. Gilmore has not really eliminated the pers property tax, he has shifted the payer -- from state and local property taxpayers to the state government -- meaning he's shifted the burden onto either state taxpayers or programs. 2. The state has been paying the local property tax with state taxpayer revenue that has increased during the booming economy of the last several years. Cool. This is just as Gilmore predicted he could. 3. But because we all don't have to pay as much property taxes for new cars or because the economy is so good here in VA (esp northern VA) we are now buying more and more new cars. (see Wash Post article today or yesterday). Remember the law of unintended consequences.... 3. The result: the state has has to pay more $$$ to local governments than our good governor's staff estimated. NOT Cool. 4. Meanwhile the demand for more roads and improved state and local services (such as building schools to house all those new students drawn in by the booming economy) continues to grow just as fast as the economy..... So my question... Since the $$$'s got to come from somewhere, or be cut from something... What program would YOU like to cut to make up for the difference. Or conversely what new "revenue source" (aka tax) would you like to propose, assuming that you don't want to raise state income taxes? Or would you prefer to have the state cut back on its promise to make up for the lost revenue at the local level, and what local program would you like to cut? As a footnote you should realize that, depending on a family or individual's specific circumstances, Virginia is generally considered to be in the middle to low range of tax state burden when comparing overall tax burden (including state and local income, property, business, and "other taxes) of VA residences to other states. And while your thinking of this....remember the law of unintended consequences. >From: Dale Horstman >To: cnorloff@XXXXXX >CC: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" >Subject: Re: Redneck Here >Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 10:45:08 -0500 > >Chris Norloff wrote: > > > > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > > From: Dale Horstman > > >That's the ONLY reason I voted for Gilmore, and to his credit, he is > > >doing every thing he can to get rid of the tax. > > > > Yeah, like cutting road and education funding. > > > > Chris Norloff > >Wanna make an omelette? Gotta break a few eggs. Time to >have VA government do more with less... I'm way tired >of paying taxes every year on a vehicle I bought years >ago (or on one that technically I don't own until it is >paid off). > > >-- >Dale Horstman (the Horkster) >the.horkster@XXXXXX >Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth > >1998 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer >1999 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi >1982 Suzuki GS850G >1987 Kawasaki Concours - untitled, un-named, previously un-loved >New Member, Concours Rescue Society _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 8 13:16:30 2001 From: "Gary Foreman" To: "Doug Allis" , "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Subject: RE: Redneck here Taxes here Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 13:17:20 -0500 I would rather see the sales tax made a nice round .05 on the $1 and pay as I go instead of getting hit with that dumb ass car tax each year. > -----Original Message----- > From: Doug Allis [mailto:dhallis@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, January 08, 2001 6:07 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re:Redneck here Taxes here > > > Oh but only if it was soooo easy.... > > I love the debate on this subject. My degree was "State and Local > Government Finance" so I feel free to add a few supposedly > informed cents to > the subject ;~) > > 1. Gilmore has not really eliminated the pers property tax, he > has shifted > the payer -- from state and local property taxpayers to the state > government > -- meaning he's shifted the burden onto either state taxpayers or > programs. > 2. The state has been paying the local property tax with state taxpayer > revenue that has increased during the booming economy of the last several > years. Cool. This is just as Gilmore predicted he could. > 3. But because we all don't have to pay as much property taxes > for new cars > or because the economy is so good here in VA (esp northern VA) we are now > buying more and more new cars. (see Wash Post article today or > yesterday). > Remember the law of unintended consequences.... > 3. The result: the state has has to pay more $$$ to local > governments than > our good governor's staff estimated. NOT Cool. > 4. Meanwhile the demand for more roads and improved state and > local services > (such as building schools to house all those new students drawn in by the > booming economy) continues to grow just as fast as the economy..... > > So my question... Since the $$$'s got to come from somewhere, or > be cut from > something... What program would YOU like to cut to make up for the > difference. Or conversely what new "revenue source" (aka tax) > would you like > to propose, assuming that you don't want to raise state income taxes? Or > would you prefer to have the state cut back on its promise to make up for > the lost revenue at the local level, and what local program would > you like > to cut? > > As a footnote you should realize that, depending on a family or > individual's > specific circumstances, Virginia is generally considered to be in > the middle > to low range of tax state burden when comparing overall tax burden > (including state and local income, property, business, and "other > taxes) of > VA residences to other states. And while your thinking of > this....remember > the law of unintended consequences. > > >From: Dale Horstman > >To: cnorloff@XXXXXX > >CC: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" > >Subject: Re: Redneck Here > >Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 10:45:08 -0500 > > > >Chris Norloff wrote: > > > > > > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > > > From: Dale Horstman > > > >That's the ONLY reason I voted for Gilmore, and to his credit, he is > > > >doing every thing he can to get rid of the tax. > > > > > > Yeah, like cutting road and education funding. > > > > > > Chris Norloff > > > >Wanna make an omelette? Gotta break a few eggs. Time to > >have VA government do more with less... I'm way tired > >of paying taxes every year on a vehicle I bought years > >ago (or on one that technically I don't own until it is > >paid off). > > > > > >-- > >Dale Horstman (the Horkster) > >the.horkster@XXXXXX > >Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth > > > >1998 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer > >1999 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi > >1982 Suzuki GS850G > >1987 Kawasaki Concours - untitled, un-named, previously un-loved > >New Member, Concours Rescue Society > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 8 13:23:11 2001 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc cycles" Subject: Re: Re:Redneck here Taxes here Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 13:22:44 -0500 Not to mention low tax rural jurisdictions are now footing the bill for Northern Virginia's high local taxes, a de facto transfer of wealth from Southside and SW areas that have an ailing mining and manufacturing economies. (This in the Post today) They should have killed off this stinker of a tax with a total repeal, thereby eliminating the inequities in the rebate scheme and dismantling the bureaucracy that issues stickers, etc. But, no, the revenue addicted No. Va. (read Fairfax mainly) Counties (lotsa drivers and expensive cars) whined that they couldn't live without the car tax revenue and repeal would mean tough trade offs, either scaling back programs, getting more efficient or raising other taxes. Paul in DC 1991 CB750 http://users.erols.com/pawilson ----- Original Message ----- From: Doug Allis To: Sent: Monday, January 08, 2001 6:07 PM Subject: Re:Redneck here Taxes here > Oh but only if it was soooo easy.... > > I love the debate on this subject. My degree was "State and Local > Government Finance" so I feel free to add a few supposedly informed cents to > the subject ;~) > > 1. Gilmore has not really eliminated the pers property tax, he has shifted > the payer -- from state and local property taxpayers to the state government > -- meaning he's shifted the burden onto either state taxpayers or programs. > 2. The state has been paying the local property tax with state taxpayer > revenue that has increased during the booming economy of the last several > years. Cool. This is just as Gilmore predicted he could. > 3. But because we all don't have to pay as much property taxes for new cars > or because the economy is so good here in VA (esp northern VA) we are now > buying more and more new cars. (see Wash Post article today or yesterday). > Remember the law of unintended consequences.... > 3. The result: the state has has to pay more $$$ to local governments than > our good governor's staff estimated. NOT Cool. > 4. Meanwhile the demand for more roads and improved state and local services > (such as building schools to house all those new students drawn in by the > booming economy) continues to grow just as fast as the economy..... > > So my question... Since the $$$'s got to come from somewhere, or be cut from > something... What program would YOU like to cut to make up for the > difference. Or conversely what new "revenue source" (aka tax) would you like > to propose, assuming that you don't want to raise state income taxes? Or > would you prefer to have the state cut back on its promise to make up for > the lost revenue at the local level, and what local program would you like > to cut? > > As a footnote you should realize that, depending on a family or individual's > specific circumstances, Virginia is generally considered to be in the middle > to low range of tax state burden when comparing overall tax burden > (including state and local income, property, business, and "other taxes) of > VA residences to other states. And while your thinking of this....remember > the law of unintended consequences. From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 8 13:25:01 2001 Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 13:24:52 -0500 From: Dave Yates CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Redneck here Taxes here Doug Allis wrote: > > Oh but only if it was soooo easy.... > > I love the debate on this subject. My degree was "State and Local > Government Finance" so I feel free to add a few supposedly informed cents to > the subject ;~) > > 1. Gilmore has not really eliminated the pers property tax, he has shifted > the payer -- from state and local property taxpayers to the state government > -- meaning he's shifted the burden onto either state taxpayers or programs. yeah, what was wrong with eliminating it altogether... oh well, it's a step in the right direction... > 2. The state has been paying the local property tax with state taxpayer > revenue that has increased during the booming economy of the last several > years. Cool. This is just as Gilmore predicted he could. > 3. But because we all don't have to pay as much property taxes for new cars > or because the economy is so good here in VA (esp northern VA) we are now > buying more and more new cars. (see Wash Post article today or yesterday). > Remember the law of unintended consequences.... Ok, so the state has had to pony up to pay the localities. My question would be, have the localities been advised that this money trough isn't bottomless, & they're going to have to learn to live with less ? Or, even more to the point, wouldn't the local gubmints be able to figger this out on their own ??? > 3. The result: the state has has to pay more $$$ to local governments than > our good governor's staff estimated. NOT Cool. I got a job so I can pay my own way, I don't need the gubmint to do it for me, thank you very much. > 4. Meanwhile the demand for more roads and improved state and local services > (such as building schools to house all those new students drawn in by the > booming economy) continues to grow just as fast as the economy..... just like everywhere else... > > So my question... Since the $$$'s got to come from somewhere, or be cut from > something... What program would YOU like to cut to make up for the > difference. From the same article you quote from above, was a quote from a new car buyer that basically hit the nail on the head - (not a direct quote mind you) 'take away all the infrastructure to support the county stickers, take the police out of the revenue collection business altogether (tax sticker roadblocks, all admin staff, etc...) and we're now paid for with money left over. > Or conversely what new "revenue source" (aka tax) would you like > to propose, assuming that you don't want to raise state income taxes? no need for that, it's just that the elected officials only think in terms of nothing can be reduced or cut so they 'must' increase some tax. that's silly. > Or > would you prefer to have the state cut back on its promise to make up for > the lost revenue at the local level, and what local program would you like > to cut? how about a referendum pay cut for the state legislature, Governor & all staff making more than 1.75 x the average area salary ? > > As a footnote you should realize that, depending on a family or individual's > specific circumstances, Virginia is generally considered to be in the middle > to low range of tax state burden when comparing overall tax burden > (including state and local income, property, business, and "other taxes) of > VA residences to other states. And while your thinking of this....remember > the law of unintended consequences. I'll be happy to account for those consequences when they arise, and, I'll have more $$$ to do it :-) -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 8 13:35:08 2001 Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 13:33:45 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Redneck here Taxes here To: Doug Allis Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Doug Allis wrote: > So my question... Since the $$$'s got to come from somewhere, or be cut from > something... What program would YOU like to cut to make up for the > difference. Or conversely what new "revenue source" (aka tax) would you like > to propose, assuming that you don't want to raise state income taxes? Or > would you prefer to have the state cut back on its promise to make up for > the lost revenue at the local level, and what local program would you like > to cut? Well, considering that I really have no idea what "programs" the government has going on locally or statewide with my tax dollars - I guess they could all get a percentage cut and no one would really notice.... Pave the roads, enforce the laws, protect the borders, educate the young, ensure no one is overly abusing the environment...hmm, I'm about out of ideas on what government SHOULD be doing. Why do we have all these "other" programs??? Horkster -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi 1982 Suzuki GS850G 1987 Kawasaki Concours - untitled, un-named, previously un-loved New Member, Concours Rescue Society From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 8 13:40:01 2001 Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 13:37:12 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Redneck here Taxes here To: Paul Wilson Cc: dc cycles Paul Wilson wrote: > > Not to mention low tax rural jurisdictions are now footing the bill for > Northern Virginia's high local taxes, a de facto transfer of wealth from > Southside and SW areas that have an ailing mining and manufacturing > economies. (This in the Post today) They should have killed off this > stinker of a tax with a total repeal, thereby eliminating the inequities in > the rebate scheme and dismantling the bureaucracy that issues stickers, etc. Agreed. They should have just ended the whole program, divested what they could to recover expenses of shutting down, and told local governments to do more with less. I mean, does Fairfax County *really* need to support that fancy world class Rescue Unit that they send all over the globe to help earthquake victims? Talk about bloated government... Horkster -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi 1982 Suzuki GS850G 1987 Kawasaki Concours - untitled, un-named, previously un-loved New Member, Concours Rescue Society From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 8 13:50:41 2001 Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 10:50:37 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: Re:Redneck here Taxes here To: Paul Wilson , dc cycles Good, I'm glad they are doing something as us Northern Virginians have been paying for the rest of the states "better" roads for years. Examples of that are I-295 and I-664. Obviously these were Federal funded as well but the state money put into them came mostly from NOVA. Glenn --- Paul Wilson wrote: > Not to mention low tax rural jurisdictions are now > footing the bill for > Northern Virginia's high local taxes, a de facto > transfer of wealth from __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 8 13:51:31 2001 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: bergman@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Redneck here Taxes here Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 13:51:23 -0500 Can you _please_ move this to the "off-topic" list that Laura Granato founded? http://www.egroups.com/group/dccycles2 Talk about a bloated list... Mark -- Mark Bergman Biker, IATSE #1 Stagehand, Rock Climber, Unix mechanic '94 Yamaha GTS1000A bergman@XXXXXX I want a newsgroup with a infinite S/N ratio! Now taking CFV on: rec.motorcycles.stagehands.pet-bird-owners.pinballers.unix-supporters 5+ So Far--Want to join? Check out: http://www.panix.com/~bergman From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 8 13:57:30 2001 Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 10:57:26 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: Redneck here Taxes here To: Dale Horstman , Paul Wilson Cc: dc cycles Yeah and how about that huge gubmint building they erected that cost god knows how much. And then to think they were going to buy a table for the entrance of said building that cost something like $65,000. Yep, not too many zeros there, how would you have liked it if someone hadn't stopped that? Glenn --- Dale Horstman wrote: > Agreed. They should have just ended the whole > program, divested what > they could to recover expenses of shutting down, and > told local governments > to do more with less. I mean, does Fairfax County > *really* need to support > that fancy world class Rescue Unit that they send > all over the globe to help earthquake victims? Talk >about bloated government... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 8 14:14:57 2001 Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 14:14:39 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Weather I'll stop fussing now : Extended forecast... Tuesday night...clear. Lows in the lower 20s. Wednesday...mostly clear. Highs in the lower 40s. Thursday...partly cloudy. Lows in the upper 20s and highs near 50. Friday...cloudy. A chance of rain until midnight. Lows in the lower 30s and highs in the mid 40s. I got out twice yesterday - should have gone Saturday too. Planned on riding today until I heard about the afternoon snow. Looks like the end of the week will have a good many of us on the road. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 Member : AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA There is an evil tendency underlying all our technology - the tendency to do what is reasonable even when it isn't any good. - Robert Pirsig, Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 8 14:24:13 2001 Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 11:24:08 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Redneck here Taxes here To: bergman@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- bergman@XXXXXX wrote: > > Can you _please_ move this to the "off-topic" list that > Laura Granato founded? > http://www.egroups.com/group/dccycles2 > > Talk about a bloated list... those of us on the "off-topic" list would prefer it if this thread stayed on dc-cycles. none of us give a shit about the car tax when there is an ass-biting discussion in progress. thanks. -- tg:) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 8 14:39:36 2001 Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 14:40:29 -0500 From: Chuck Pena To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Redneck here Taxes here We don't want it on "our" list. Keep it on DC-Cycles! If you move this to the "other" list, I'm gonna start talking about guns on this one! %^) bergman@XXXXXX wrote: > > Can you _please_ move this to the "off-topic" list that Laura Granato founded? > http://www.egroups.com/group/dccycles2 > > Talk about a bloated list... From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 8 16:15:39 2001 Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 13:15:35 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: Redneck here Taxes here To: Dale Horstman , Paul Wilson Cc: dc cycles > to do more with less. I mean, does Fairfax County > *really* need to support > that fancy world class Rescue Unit that they send > all over the globe to > help > earthquake victims? Talk about bloated Ask them that if your office building ever collapses on you. They respond to more than earthquakes. I don't know, but they may charge the other governments for their service. I know the County Jail charges the state for inmates that are housed there waiting for space to open up at a state prison. Todd W. ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 8 16:28:53 2001 Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 13:28:49 -0800 (PST) From: Scratch Subject: The Customer Is Always Right To: DCC This was on the Brit Iron list, but it was taken in Waldorf, MD, so I thought I would pass it along to y'all. http://www.geocities.com/copper6500/homedepot.html I'm not surprised. Are you? Rich __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 8 16:34:18 2001 Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 16:30:05 -0500 From: "Onur Topac" To: Subject: Re: Redneck here Taxes here I paid plenty of taxes when I was a VA resident and I was plenty proud as an American citizen when the rescue units were sent to Turkey, my place of birth. I also know quite a few Americans that are very grateful for the strategic alliance that Turkey has had with the US since the early 50's. Where do you think the smaller nukes that kept the USSR were stationed in during the Cold War? There is a bigger picture. Provincial myopia is a disease that should be treated with education. Onur >>> Todd Withrow 01/08/01 04:15PM >>> > to do more with less. I mean, does Fairfax County > *really* need to support > that fancy world class Rescue Unit that they send > all over the globe to > help > earthquake victims? Talk about bloated Ask them that if your office building ever collapses on you. They respond to more than earthquakes. I don't know, but they may charge the other governments for their service. I know the County Jail charges the state for inmates that are housed there waiting for space to open up at a state prison. Todd W. ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 8 16:45:37 2001 Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 16:40:14 -0500 From: Bill Huson To: jitabashi@XXXXXX CC: Dc-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Fallen Rider (possible rumor) Some details... One of my cowrokers knew the lad. So the story goes, his mother died last year and the kid had been having a rough go. Apparently he suited up helmet and all and took a joy ride on the bike (his father's/brother's - ???) Sad, very sad... Bill jitabashi@XXXXXX wrote: > Hello, > > Not to be the bearer of bad news but did any one hear about the 15yr old > kid that was killed riding an R6, he was supposedly from Olney, MD. What was he > doing on street motorcycle at all at 15. Does anyone have details about what > happened. > > James Itabashi > The World Bank Group > Site 8 SMS Administrator > ISGGC - ISGITC > 202-458-1697 > x.81697 I2-165D > jitabashi@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 8 16:47:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: from shared1-mail.whowhere.com (shared1-qin.whowhere.com [209.185.123.111]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f08Llih28537 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 16:47:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from Unknown/Local ([?.?.?.?]) by theglobe.com; Mon Jan 8 13:47:21 2001 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 13:47:21 -0800 From: "Matthew Patton" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off Reply-To: pattonme@XXXXXX X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: MC tire changer from HF X-Sender-Ip: 209.117.173.15 Organization: E-Mail @ theglobe.com (http://www.globe-mail.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Did anyone receive theirs and checked out how it works? theglobe.com Your friendly full-service integrated online community. http://www.theglobe.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 8 17:04:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: from pmesmtp01.wcom.com (pmesmtp01.wcom.com [199.249.20.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f08M4Eh28802 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 17:04:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42256) id <0G6V00K016J2NW@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 22:01:50 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp03.wcomnet.com ([166.38.58.143]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42256) with ESMTP id <0G6V00I8T6J2RQ@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 08 Jan 2001 22:01:50 +0000 (GMT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by dgismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) id <0G6V003016I10S@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 08 Jan 2001 22:01:49 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp03.wcomnet.com by dgismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with SMTP id <0G6V002016GYSR@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 08 Jan 2001 22:01:09 +0000 (GMT) Received: from chan3544t ([166.36.153.47]) by dgismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with SMTP id <0G6V00MMO6GPI8@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 08 Jan 2001 22:00:26 +0000 (GMT) Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 17:00:18 -0500 From: Robert Verde Subject: RE: Redneck here Taxes here - OT In-reply-to: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Reply-to: c-Robert.Verde@XXXXXX Message-id: <004b01c079be$64381cc0$2f9924a6@wcomnet.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal I don't think the original post really differentiated between taxes paid on a astate level and those paid to the IRS. One of the reasons the issue of taxes keeps being brought up is the disconnect most Americans feel between the money they pay and the uses it's put to; politicians are notorious for heeding the call of big business lobbyists over any number of voters, check out the voting dichotomy about use of public lans for an example. I am the product of a welfare state; my father was forced to rely on welfare to raise his three kids (single father) because teachers were not paid enough to have any SS benefits taken out, so when he went to retire he had no income. Now I make six figures as a telecom engineer, and pay taxes cheerfully. (Almost...) However, I also support the a stringent overview of how these taxes are spent, and believe every citizen owes it to him/herself to become involved in politics at whatever level possible. (Climbing down off of soap-box...) Just my opinion, Robert Verde -----Original Message----- From: Onur Topac [mailto:Otopac@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, January 08, 2001 4:30 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Redneck here Taxes here I paid plenty of taxes when I was a VA resident and I was plenty proud as an American citizen when the rescue units were sent to Turkey, my place of birth. I also know quite a few Americans that are very grateful for the strategic alliance that Turkey has had with the US since the early 50's. Where do you think the smaller nukes that kept the USSR were stationed in during the Cold War? There is a bigger picture. Provincial myopia is a disease that should be treated with education. Onur From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 8 17:04:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f08M4Zh28812 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 17:04:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id f08M8Rc14924 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 17:08:33 -0500 From: Brian Roach Reply-To: roach@XXXXXX To: Subject: Re: Redneck here Taxes here Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 17:08:27 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.95.2] Content-Type: text/plain References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01010817082704.13001@www.mostlyharmless.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Last time I looked, the commonwealth of virginia is in no way associated with international affairs. If the *U.S.* Gov't would like to send help such as emergency personel and equipment for furthering international relations... well, that's another argument :) As for your office building collapsing and needing said equipment... how many office buildings have collapsed in Fairfax county in the last 20 years? How about in the last 50? The point is, the car tax is ridiculous. The majority of the taxpayers in this state are sick of it (including myself). In theory, this means it needs to change as we're supposedly part of a democracy. Personally, I'm renting an apartment in DE if the thing doesn't get repealed. Doing the math, I've figured out I come out ahead by registering my vehicles in DE and paying a cheap monthly rent (two bikes and two cars, all except one '99+ models). Screw 'em :) Now I just gotta figure out how to get around paying my property tax on the house since I'll be a legal resident of DE... - Roach - Roach On Mon, 08 Jan 2001, Onur Topac wrote: > I paid plenty of taxes when I was a VA resident and I was plenty proud as > an American citizen when the rescue units were sent to Turkey, my place of > birth. I also know quite a few Americans that are very grateful for the > strategic alliance that Turkey has had with the US since the early 50's. > Where do you think the smaller nukes that kept the USSR were stationed in > during the Cold War? There is a bigger picture. > > Provincial myopia is a disease that should be treated with education. From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 8 17:35:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: from dgesmtp01.wcom.com (dgesmtp01.wcom.com [199.249.16.16]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f08MZlh29395 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 17:35:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42260) id <0G6V00L017QRZQ@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 22:28:03 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp01.wcomnet.com ([166.38.58.141]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42260) with ESMTP id <0G6V00JEL7QRAC@XXXXXX>; Mon, 08 Jan 2001 22:28:03 +0000 (GMT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by dgismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) id <0G6V004017QRAZ@XXXXXX>; Mon, 08 Jan 2001 22:28:03 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp01.wcomnet.com by dgismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with SMTP id <0G6V004017QP94@XXXXXX>; Mon, 08 Jan 2001 22:28:03 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.226]) by dgismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with ESMTP id <0G6V001LM7QLBM@XXXXXX>; Mon, 08 Jan 2001 22:27:57 +0000 (GMT) Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 17:27:54 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: [Fwd: FJR1300] To: LDRider List Message-id: <3A5A3EEA.459F9421@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_eAwCc7WraYASI3Nw2sDxjw)" X-Accept-Language: en This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_eAwCc7WraYASI3Nw2sDxjw) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Just passing this along.... Vote early, vote often. :) Horkster Chad Olson wrote: > > If you want the bike to come to the USA, tell them here. > > http://ymedc.introweb.nl/street/street.html > > Chad Olson > Bay Point, CA > `93 Concours "Ilean" > COG 3650 -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi 1982 Suzuki GS850G 1987 Kawasaki Concours - untitled, un-named, previously un-loved New Member, Concours Rescue Society --Boundary_(ID_eAwCc7WraYASI3Nw2sDxjw) Content-type: message/rfc822 Return-path: Received: from mh8-sfba.mail.home.com ([24.0.95.237]) by mail.rdc1.md.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with ESMTP id <20010108221822.PMNA10139.mail.rdc1.md.home.com@XXXXXX> for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 14:18:22 -0800 Received: from mx8-sfba.mail.home.com (mx8-sfba.mail.home.com [24.0.95.233]) by mh8-sfba.mail.home.com (8.9.3/8.9.0) with ESMTP id OAA15671; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 14:18:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from moto.micapeak.com (moto.micapeak.com [207.53.128.12]) by mx8-sfba.mail.home.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f08MHcW04281; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 14:18:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from moto.micapeak.com (listproc@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by moto.micapeak.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA10181; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 14:17:08 -0800 Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 14:17:08 -0800 From: "Chad Olson" Subject: FJR1300 Sender: cog@XXXXXX To: Concours Owners Group Errors-to: cog-owner@XXXXXX Reply-to: ocserv@XXXXXX Message-id: Precedence: bulk Originator: cog@XXXXXX X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 X-Comment: Concours Owners Group X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas If you want the bike to come to the USA, tell them here. http://ymedc.introweb.nl/street/street.html Chad Olson Bay Point, CA `93 Concours "Ilean" COG 3650 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --Boundary_(ID_eAwCc7WraYASI3Nw2sDxjw)-- From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 8 19:05:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: from shared1-mail.whowhere.com (shared1-qin.whowhere.com [209.185.123.111]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f0905Jh01004 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 19:05:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from Unknown/Local ([?.?.?.?]) by theglobe.com; Mon Jan 8 16:04:54 2001 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 16:04:54 -0800 From: "Matthew Patton" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off Reply-To: pattonme@XXXXXX X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: V-blocks X-Sender-Ip: 209.117.173.15 Organization: E-Mail @ theglobe.com (http://www.globe-mail.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit anyone got a set of V-blocks? They're used to hold round bars and such to measure runout and things like that. theglobe.com Your friendly full-service integrated online community. http://www.theglobe.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 8 19:55:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f090tAh01759 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 19:55:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-120.patriot.net [209.249.180.120]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f090t2G16344; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 19:55:02 -0500 Message-ID: <3A5A604F.B38A4A56@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 19:50:23 -0500 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pattonme@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: V-blocks References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Methinks I have a couple blocky things with V cuts - used to hold round things under a drill press. They're about 4" long, couple inchs square on the ends, Vs milled in two sides or maybe all sides - I forgot. Bill & the garage from hell... Matthew Patton wrote: > anyone got a set of V-blocks? They're used to hold round bars and such to measure runout and things like that. > > theglobe.com > Your friendly full-service integrated online community. > http://www.theglobe.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 8 20:48:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: from barry.mail.mindspring.net (barry.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.25]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f091mUh02620 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 20:48:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va8-58.ix.netcom.com [207.223.176.250]) by barry.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA14401; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 20:48:10 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3A5A6E4E.284307DA@ix.netcom.com> Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 20:50:06 -0500 From: Chuck Pena Reply-To: the_penas@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: roach@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Redneck here Taxes here References: <01010817082704.13001@www.mostlyharmless.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Brian Roach wrote : > > In theory, this means it needs to change as we're supposedly part of a democracy. Bri, You're foolin' yourself! %^) Chuck -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 8 21:13:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp2.quixnet.net (psmtp2.array3.laserlink.net [63.65.123.52] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f092DBh03038 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 21:13:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from computer (1Cust231.tnt1.lorton.va.da.uu.net [63.23.102.231]) by smtp2.quixnet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA21952; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 21:13:06 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <001701c079e2$5acc92a0$e766173f@computer> Reply-To: "Kevin Bechtel" From: "Kevin Bechtel" To: Cc: Subject: Solar battery charger Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 21:17:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0014_01C079B8.703A82C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C079B8.703A82C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Is this the same Harbor Freight that had such a deal on tire changers? ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C079B8.703A82C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Is this the same Harbor Freight that = had such a=20 deal on tire changers?
------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C079B8.703A82C0-- From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 8 21:33:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp2.abac.com (smtp2.abac.com [216.55.128.11]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f092XTh03366 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 21:33:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from 0000bk820000 (ip162.laurel.md.pub-ip.psi.net [38.30.235.162]) by smtp2.abac.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id f092XTM44817 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 18:33:29 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <001a01c079e4$8dd49ec0$c00a2626@0000bk820000> From: "Howard J. Koontz" To: References: <200101090001.f0901LF00838@dirty.meretrix.com> Subject: I don't know about any camels nose, but... Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 21:33:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 Disposition-Notification-To: "Howard J. Koontz" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Hello All, I am a new member to this club/listserve, but have watched the Yahoo! site for some time now and also was in attendance for the meeting with Mrs. Cryor last Saturday. Some things I noticed: This issue is a new one, but the genre is the same as many I have seen. To that end, I have found the same disturbing aspects to this situation. (1) I do not ask my governmental representatives to legislate morality, common sense issues, or self-depricating issues. Helmet laws and this new "no riders under 12" law are common sense issues. The decision should be left to those who are affected. As it has been stated before, "Let those who ride decide." Keep it out of Annapolis. Also, I don't appreciate representatives legislating in a knee jerk reaction to an event. This call Mrs. Cryor received from a concerned ex- over the welfare of her child prompted a knee-jerk reaction, namely this bill. I do on the other hand, ask that my representatives provide for me that which I can not provide for myself. Defense, health care, issues requiring local, national and international treaties, etc. immediately come to mind. Her time could be better spent on such issues. IMHO, it was established that there is no compelling need for this legislation, so let it drop. And her black mail attempt to get me to approve her bill (the threat was "I know another representative who will be proposing much stronger legislation soon, so you all had better embrace mine now or else risk worse later"). Poor tactic, and shame on her. This is another rotten example of the sins of the few penalizing the many. Howard Koontz 1998 CBR600F3 (For Sale) HOFOJOKO@XXXXXX P.S. -- To those who are drawing parallels between our situation and that faced by firearm enthusiasts like myself, the point of this legislation is not lost on you. And for those who think this bill will not affect you now, be warned: This bill is gateway legislation, and will lead to more and more strict rules concerning our lifestyle. Ask any Maryland resident who has attempted to purchase a new handgun in Maryland since November 1 of last year. From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 8 21:58:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: from m11.boston.juno.com (m11.boston.juno.com [63.211.172.74]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f092weh03771 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 21:58:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"fTLSAcSSZ0OO+O1u10jMXMgvTY0i9RPh9m8H5jyM2LFlaUd62O3ocA=="> Received: (from celticracing@XXXXXX) by m11.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id FTBENYU7; Mon, 08 Jan 2001 21:54:27 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 21:53:02 -0500 Subject: AMA EAGLES, Robert Rasor, Death and Taxes Message-ID: <20010108.215302.-320801.2.CelticRacing@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 5-6,13-14,19-20,24-25,30-31,43-45,47,49-50,52 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Tom Fitzpatrick I was one of the first graduates of the AMA EAGLES program. I thought it was outstanding. I still do. It was taught by the AMA's full time D.C. lobbyist at the time, as well as Ed Youngblood, former president. A very nice and introspective guy, by my measure. A real shame about the CCS controversy. It gave me an opportunity to really understand what the AMA is about, and how I could get involved, which I did. Subsequently, I was invited twice to the AMA's "Introduction to Washington" session, usually held right around this time. The first time I was one of ten people from across the country. The second time I was one of fifty, as they opened it up to others. Another great experience. Among other things, I met Robert Rasor at both of those events, as he was the V.P. for Government Affairs/Relations at the time. All business guy. Very driven and goals oriented. There are many reasons for joining and supporting the AMA. For me, it's constant support for riders' rights is my primary reason. Robert Rasor is the perfect person to take the lead as we continue to battle encroachment upon our constitutional (just learned that from this list) right to ride. I would strongly suggest that everyone do the following. Call 1-800-AMAJOIN, and join the AMA. Join as an Extra Mile member and kick in an extra $10 for legislative support. Then, check out the schedule for EAGLES training. I am confident that you won't regret either. With regard to the considerable outpouring of opinions regarding our government institutions, I may not agree with your erroneous opinions, but I will be taxed to death to support the educational system which must have failed to teach people how government really works. To help address that void, I strongly suggest getting involved. If you live in Prince William County, they have a Prince William County Leadership Institute. I was a graduate of the inaugural class. Another outstanding experience. Once a week for several months you give up a night and are briefed and trained on virtually every area of the county government. A real eye opener. Makes you appreciate some areas more, some less. But at least you now have an INFORMED opinion. It's free, and open to 25 people twice a year. You must fill out an application, and it is a selective process whereby candidates are chosen by the County Executive's office. Given the battles I have had with the County, I know that people are not chosen based upon favoritism. What they are looking for are people who will get involved. Check it out. Before the elimination of the car tax makes them cut this program. Tom Fitzpatrick CCS#806 (http://www.celticracing.com) Sponsors: *Fast Lane Cycles/fastlanecycles@XXXXXX/703-818-8890/ (http://www.fastlanecycles.com)* *Barnacle Bill's Racing Leathers - barnacle@XXXXXX (http://www.racingleather.com)* *A.F.S. Contractor Inc. - Insurance Recovery Specialist for Your Home* *Janet Bell TAX Preparation, Accounting and Consulting (belljan@XXXXXX)* From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 9 06:04:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f09B4rh12133 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 06:04:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-3-132.s894.apx1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.3.132] helo=twincam) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14FwaA-0005qv-00 ; Tue, 09 Jan 2001 06:04:50 -0500 Message-ID: <00ad01c07a2a$2ddac120$84032c42@twincam> From: "Kathleen Loerich" To: "Louis F. Caplan" , References: <20010108154421.4154.qmail@web311.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Meeting - Cryor's bill on children/motorcycles Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 05:51:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 ----- Original Message ----- From: Louis F. Caplan To: Sent: Monday, January 08, 2001 10:44 Subject: Re: Meeting - Cryor's bill on children/motorcycles > > This was the first political type of meeting I've ever been to, and even though > I didn't speak up and say anything, I learned a lot by watching and listening > to people. I happened to sit right in front of Bill Gawthorp (hope I spelled > that right??). Bill had all the facts, numbers, statistics, Ms. Cryor's > biography, made suggestions to others about how to word their statements, etc. > He also corrected Ms. Cryor a few times when she made certain claims. I also > sat across from (Katherine L??) a MSF instructor in MD who also made several > good points, and had posted on DC-Cycles about this as well. Thanks for coming to the Cryor meeting and showing support. I am not actually an MSF instructor. I'd hate for the MVA to get the impression that I was passing myself off that way. We (ABATE of Maryland) have a good relationship with the MVA and I would like for it to stay that way. I did wear an MVA motorcycle safety logo shirt that day and I do have pretty good knowledge of MVA's approach to motorcycle safety. Anne Ferro, the MVA administrator, has attended some ABATE of Maryland staff meetings and ABATE members have been invited to MD motorcycle safety instructor events. Thus the logo shirt. It seemed appropriate attire for the day. > > There were several good, well thought out statements [almost to the point of > speeches ;-) ] Ms. Cryor seemed upset because she and the MD motorcycle > community had always gotten along before. However, the leader of ABATE said > that while they worked together before, they were going to fight her and her > proposal. The ABATE of Maryland staff meeting was the Sunday after the Cryor meeting. We discussed at length ways to fight this bill. I suspect that you will see more information from Bill Gawthorp (ABATE of Maryland Legislative Representative) on this issue. > > All in all, I'm glad I went. The experience made me think that I might look > into the "AMA Eagles" program or other motorcycle rights type of training. > I am a Life AMA memeber, an AMA Eagle, and I have attended the AMA Introduction to Washington seminar. For my purposes, the Introduction to Washington seminar was the most valuable. You are given all of the resources and instruction to effectively approach your US Representatives in person. On the last day of the seminar, participants meet with representatives or their aides on 'the hill' to discuss issues that are important to them. This information can be applied at the local level as well. I recommend it. If you want to understand what AMA is all about, attend the Eagles program. If you want to learn how to deal with legislators, attend the seminar. For my purposes, I firmly believe that participation in a local State Motorcycle Rights Organization (SMRO) is essential. The notion that all politics are local is abundantly clear to me after having meet with representatives at the local, state, and federal level regarding motorcycle issues. As an aside, I am much better informed about how legislators can affect my day-to-day life in all areas. In the AMA seminars you will find many folks from SMROs there. Both MRF and AMA stress that a large amount of information and assistance comes from local folks. They also stress that they can more effectively do their jobs because of the input and assistance that they get from local individuals. In many cases, a local person will start working with a legislator and make it possible (open a door or two) for AMA and MRF to step in and assist. Kathleen Loerich Membership Secretary ABATE of Maryland http://www.abate-of-maryland.org p.s. I am not an MSF Instructor, but I am highly interested in motorcycle safety issues and I have this cool MVA motorcycle safey shirt. From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 9 06:42:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r14.mail.aol.com (imo-r14.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.68]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f09Bgnh12691 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 06:42:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from Gawthrop@XXXXXX by imo-r14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.35.) id 2.34.f3e31e6 (4542) for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 06:41:33 -0500 (EST) From: Gawthrop@XXXXXX Message-ID: <34.f3e31e6.278c52ed@aol.com> Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 06:41:33 EST Subject: Re: Meeting - Cryor's bill on children/motorcycles To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_34.f3e31e6.278c52ed_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 344 --part1_34.f3e31e6.278c52ed_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A recommendation, if you are going to pursue this topic any further on this list, send a copy of your email to Jean_Cryor@XXXXXX While it is important that you share your views with each other, it is also important to let the legislature know your feelings as well. If you still have copies of old emails, send her a copy of that along with your thoughts. Finally, if you would like to receive the action and alert messages that are going out on this issue that ARE NOT hitting dc-cycles (spam control), send me an email and I'll put you on the alert list. Bill Gawthrop Legislative Director ABATE of Maryland "I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend, to the death, your right to say it." Voltaire (1694-1778) --part1_34.f3e31e6.278c52ed_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A recommendation, if you are going to pursue this topic any further on this
list, send a copy of your email to

      Jean_Cryor@XXXXXX

While it is important that you share your views with each other, it is also
important to let the legislature know your feelings as well.

If you still have copies of old emails, send her a copy of that along with
your thoughts.

Finally, if you would like to receive the action and alert messages that are
going out on this issue that ARE NOT hitting dc-cycles (spam control), send
me an email and I'll put you on the alert list.  

Bill Gawthrop
Legislative Director
ABATE of Maryland

"I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend, to the
death, your right to say it."   Voltaire (1694-1778)

--part1_34.f3e31e6.278c52ed_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 9 06:46:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web312.mail.yahoo.com (web312.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.77]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f09Bk9h12772 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 06:46:10 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20010109114606.15619.qmail@web312.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [198.26.132.101] by web312.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 09 Jan 2001 03:46:06 PST Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 03:46:06 -0800 (PST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: Meeting - Cryor's bill on children/motorcycles To: Kathleen Loerich , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Kathleen Loerich wrote: > > (Katherine L??) a MSF instructor in MD who also made > > several good points, and had posted on DC-Cycles about this as well. > > Thanks for coming to the Cryor meeting and showing support. I am not > actually an MSF instructor. ... ABATE > members have been invited to MD motorcycle safety instructor events. Thus > the logo shirt. It seemed appropriate attire for the day. Whoops, sorry, I've only seen MD instructors wearing that shirt before, and guess I committed the "assume" sin. Thanks for the other information about the Eagles and Intro to Washington seminar. I'll be looking into them. Louis ===== "Admiral" Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours Alexandria, VA Co-Planner, MD20-20 http://www.masondixon20-20.org/ Home Page: http://members.nbci.com/Nighthawk700/cycle.htm __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 9 06:53:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web9707.mail.yahoo.com (web9707.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.128.165]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f09BrBh12859 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 06:53:12 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20010109115307.36724.qmail@web9707.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [32.97.182.45] by web9707.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 09 Jan 2001 03:53:07 PST Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 03:53:07 -0800 (PST) From: Scratch Subject: FW: Vintage repair shop in Northern Virginia? To: DCC Cc: douglas_brashear@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Some of you may know my friend Doug. I'm forwarding this for him. Thanks, Rich ---------------- original message ---------------- Hello all! Given that I'll be moving to NYC soon, I want to get my bikes all sorted out before I go (which includes completely rebuilding the engine in my '98 Enfield Bullet 500)...one of them, a '76 Yamaha XS 650C could use a tune up and oil change, and given that my month will be busy packing, apartment hunting, etc. I'd like to find a pro to tune it up and change the oil. I'm a little new to this bike as well, and want to keep it in good running condition while I gradually learn about it. The problem: Most of the shops in this area wont touch the bike unless it's a 90 or later sportbike! Does anyone in this area have recommendations for good service on older model Japanese bikes? Many thanks in advance! -Doug douglas_brashear@XXXXXX __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 9 07:28:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f09CSNh13400 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 07:28:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-121.patriot.net [209.249.180.121]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f09CSFG07616; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 07:28:16 -0500 Message-ID: <3A5B02C7.75D3A704@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 07:23:35 -0500 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kathleen Loerich CC: "Louis F. Caplan" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Meeting - Cryor's bill on children/motorcycles References: <20010108154421.4154.qmail@web311.mail.yahoo.com> <00ad01c07a2a$2ddac120$84032c42@twincam> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kathleen Loerich wrote: > Kathleen Loerich > Membership Secretary > ABATE of Maryland > http://www.abate-of-maryland.org > > p.s. I am not an MSF Instructor, but I am highly interested in motorcycle > safety issues and I have this cool MVA motorcycle safey shirt. HEY! I'm an MSF Instructor and I never did get my shirt! Supposedly part of our "graduation" package... *grumble gumble* Bill From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 9 08:28:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web113.yahoomail.com (web113.mail.yahoo.com [205.180.60.84]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f09DS4h14342 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 08:28:09 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 779 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Jan 2001 13:27:16 -0000 Message-ID: <20010109132716.778.qmail@web113.yahoomail.com> Received: from [208.59.234.231] by web113.yahoomail.com; Tue, 09 Jan 2001 05:27:16 PST Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 05:27:16 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Beck Subject: Re: MC tire changer from HF To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii We may never know. They are back ordered till who knows when. --- Matthew Patton wrote: > Did anyone receive theirs and checked out how it > works? > > > theglobe.com > Your friendly full-service integrated online > community. > http://www.theglobe.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 9 08:45:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: from wpo.aamc.org (wpo.aamc.org [143.220.4.36]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f09Djbh14705 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 08:45:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from AAMC-Message_Server by wpo.aamc.org with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 09 Jan 2001 08:42:01 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.2.1 Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 08:41:36 -0500 From: "Onur Topac" To: , Cc: Subject: Re: FW: Vintage repair shop in Northern Virginia? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id f09Djlh14706 He should check out www.vjmc.org It's the Vintage Japanese Motorcycle Club and they can point him in the right direction. Onur >>> Scratch 01/09/01 06:53AM >>> Some of you may know my friend Doug. I'm forwarding this for him. Thanks, Rich ---------------- original message ---------------- Hello all! Given that I'll be moving to NYC soon, I want to get my bikes all sorted out before I go (which includes completely rebuilding the engine in my '98 Enfield Bullet 500)...one of them, a '76 Yamaha XS 650C could use a tune up and oil change, and given that my month will be busy packing, apartment hunting, etc. I'd like to find a pro to tune it up and change the oil. I'm a little new to this bike as well, and want to keep it in good running condition while I gradually learn about it. The problem: Most of the shops in this area wont touch the bike unless it's a 90 or later sportbike! Does anyone in this area have recommendations for good service on older model Japanese bikes? Many thanks in advance! -Doug douglas_brashear@XXXXXX __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 9 09:04:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: from dchqexs1.fsis.usda.gov (wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa [199.128.203.12] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f09E4Jh14992 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 09:04:20 -0500 (EST) Received: by wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 09:04:13 -0500 Message-ID: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F78021A@DCHQCLEXHQ> From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Cc: "'Gawthrop, Bill'" Subject: Meeting - Cryor's bill on children/motorcycles Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 09:05:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I also attended the Saturday, Jan 6, public meeting with MD Assembly representative Cryor . The subject was a proposed bill to ban child passengers under 12 years old on motorcycles. There were about 30-40 attendees, predominantly from the motorcycling community. ABATE patches and pins were conspicuous on many. The following are my general impressions -- offered with apologies for omitting the pearls some individuals presented. Cryor opened the meeting by relating her past supportive relationships with ABATE and as a Republican, she believed less government is better and adults should be trusted for their own judgement, ergo, no helmet laws . . . After getting folks to nod, she then offered these premises: 1. If she didn't propose this bill, someone else would. Other States are considering similar bans and Hawaii and Washington already have such bans. 3. Similar laws on seat belts and child seats are designed to protect innocents. 4. The 12 year age was based on MD law as the age when children can be left without adult supervision. She is flexible on this age. 5.A law is needed so police officers can act. 6. A constituent had asked her to propose this bill. She promised to proposed a narrowly focused bill and if amendments made it broader, then she would withdraw it. She then asked what he audience thought about a toddler wearing flip flops as a motorcycle passenger. Predictably, the audience said that wouldn't happen with them. Cogent points I thought the audience made: The perceived problem of child endangerment is minuscule. There are only about 13 child injuries per year. A retired MD State Officer pointed out that the current child endangerment laws are sufficient for police officers to act. This ban shouldn't include sidecars There was an extensive discussion re the passenger should be able to reach the pegs. MD law only requires passenger pegs. The need not be reachable by the passenger. Requiring passengers be able to reach the pegs would be discriminatory against little people such as dwarfs. Cryor suggested the bill could exempt passengers who either could reach the passenger pegs, were at least 16 years old, or were in a sidecar. Someone knew the constituent request was due to a child custody issue. Evidently a spouse gave a child a ride and the other spouse objected. Thus, the proposed bill was the wrong tool; the court should address the spouse's complaint, not the State legislature. Several speakers (including Bill Gawthrop) received enthusiastic applause. Cryor wound up repeating that if not her, then someone else would propose a broader, potentially more damaging bill. She said the motorcycling community has few friends in the MD Assembly (ergo, support her). Carl in Bethesda From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 9 09:09:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (smtp6.mindspring.com [207.69.200.110]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f09E9sh15105 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 09:09:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va9-27.ix.netcom.com [207.223.177.91]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA27367; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 09:09:50 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3A5B1BEA.18FE7@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 09:10:50 -0500 From: Chuck Pena Reply-To: the_penas@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DCC CC: douglas_brashear@XXXXXX Subject: Re: FW: Vintage repair shop in Northern Virginia? References: <20010109115307.36724.qmail@web9707.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For a tune-up and oil change for the Yam, you might want to try Denny at Crossroads Cycles (703) 820-3711. Chuck Scratch wrote : > > Bullet 500)...one of them, a '76 Yamaha XS 650C > could use a tune up and oil change, and given that my > month will be busy packing, apartment hunting, etc. > I'd like to find a pro to tune it up and change > the oil. From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 9 09:54:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kafka.net.nih.gov (kafka.net.nih.gov [165.112.130.10]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f09Es5h15852 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 09:54:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from [128.231.204.107] (pk.niaaa.nih.gov [128.231.204.107]) by kafka.net.nih.gov (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f09Es3x12784 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 09:54:03 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <001701c079e2$5acc92a0$e766173f@computer> References: <001701c079e2$5acc92a0$e766173f@computer> Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 09:55:55 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Erick Singley Subject: Re: Solar battery charger Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >Is this the same Harbor Freight that had such a deal on tire changers? More than likely ;) I'm sure the Battery Tender (http://www.batterytender.com ) is "smarter" about charging than this solar powered thing would be, but I'll be nowhere near a plug. the solar panel's description reads... "(Super high output will keep your battery fully charged! Use with auto, marine, truck, RV--any 12 volt battery. No installation, simply plugs into the cigarette lighter. Compensates for small steady battery drains. Mounts to dash or visor. )" I'm ignorant of the needs of a battery the size the CB-750 needs. Searching google.com for the keywords "solar battery motorcycle" lists quite a few people who have kept a motorcycle battery charged with solar, but they don't mention riding it afterwards ;) I guess I'll try it and live and learn then... Thanks! From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 9 10:34:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web11207.mail.yahoo.com (web11207.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.189]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f09FYAh16526 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 10:34:10 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20010109153407.87930.qmail@web11207.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [153.2.247.10] by web11207.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 09 Jan 2001 07:34:07 PST Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 07:34:07 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Rosenstock Subject: Corbin vs Sargent To: soc-usa@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi folks- I know I posed this question a few months ago, but I did some research and need to ask again. I have a Suzuki GS500E and want a more comfortable seat for longer trips. After about 300 miles or so my tushi really feels it. Corbin has a seat for $400.00 which I'm not really willing to spend as I may sell the bike this year or next and upgrade. Sargent will redo my existing seat for about $275. Does the refurbish by Sargent match the new Corbin? Has anyone tried to find a seat on ebay or other auction? Matt __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 9 10:45:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: from bpexchange.dcscorp.com (bpexchange.dcscorp.com [204.7.239.11]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f09Fjkh16777 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 10:45:47 -0500 (EST) Received: by bpexchange.dcscorp.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 10:46:46 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Smith, Steven" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Was: Redneck here Taxes here - OT, Is: Personal Responsibility Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 10:46:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain > -----Original Message-----From: Robert Verde----- > > snip > > I am the product of a welfare state; my father was forced to rely on welfare > to raise his three kids (single father) because teachers were not paid > enough to have any SS benefits taken out, so when he went to retire he had > no income. Now I make six figures as a telecom engineer, and pay taxes > cheerfully. (Almost...) > > However, I also support the a stringent overview of how these taxes are > spent, and believe every citizen owes it to him/herself to become involved > in politics at whatever level possible. > > (Climbing down off of soap-box...) > > Just my opinion, > > Robert Verde Well and goodly written. I am very happy that you are able to enjoy the fruits of your labors today thanks to the confiscation and redistribution of the fruits of others' labors yesterday. However, as the sole support of a family of four, which became five, back in the days after I left the military and pursued an education to improve my life, I too qualified for various forms of state sponsored largess at the expense of my fellow citizens. I declined. Usually that decision meant no propane in the tank in January, cabbage and potatoes for dinner most days, buying kids clothes at Saint Vincent de Paul's, and foregoing anything resembling an entertainment expense to compensate for a lack of medical insurance. But we squeaked by like that for years and warmed ourselves with the thought that things would be better someday if we kept working at it. And here we are. Now, because of my service, my children have the right to live in the greatest country on God's green earth free and without apology. Now, because of the economic sacrifices we made, we don't bear any guilt for using the government to pick the pockets of others for us without any burden to repay. The quality of your citizenship is in the validation. Any slug can pay taxes and vote. Especially given a tax code that allows disproportionate taxation without disproportionate representation, and politicians who pander to the self-interest of voters rather than common interest. This concept was well understood by the people who founded this country. People who actually lived in circumstances that required daily decisions of life and death to survive on a hostile frontier. Personally, I would rather emulate those people -- than their sheep. Just my opinion, Crash From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 9 10:53:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: from pmesmtp02.wcom.com (pmesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.20.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f09Fr8h16884 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 10:53:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42257) id <0G6W00H01K3QJP@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 15:52:38 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp03.wcomnet.com ([166.38.62.38]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42257) with ESMTP id <0G6W00FJZK3Q7D@XXXXXX>; Tue, 09 Jan 2001 15:52:38 +0000 (GMT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by pmismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) id <0G6W00G01K3P4R@XXXXXX>; Tue, 09 Jan 2001 15:52:37 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp03.wcomnet.com by pmismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with SMTP id <0G6W00F01K33WK@XXXXXX>; Tue, 09 Jan 2001 15:52:37 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.226]) by pmismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with ESMTP id <0G6W00F0EK2MS8@XXXXXX>; Tue, 09 Jan 2001 15:51:58 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 10:51:54 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Corbin vs Sargent To: Matthew Rosenstock Cc: soc-usa@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3A5B339A.F210E8F2@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <20010109153407.87930.qmail@web11207.mail.yahoo.com> Matthew Rosenstock wrote: > > Corbin has a seat for $400.00 which I'm not really > willing to spend as I may sell the bike this year or > next and upgrade. Sargent will redo my existing seat > for about $275. Matt, Do your butt a favor. Get a spare seat for your bike (condition unimportant) and send it off to Russell. They will make a seat for you on the seat pan you send them. Cost will be about what Sargent will charge, but you will be able to stay in the saddle ALL DAY LONG. Trust me on this. LDriders are big fans of Russell seats. I've got one on my Concours, and love it.... http://www.day-long.com/ -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi 1982 Suzuki GS850G 1987 Kawasaki Concours - untitled, un-named, previously un-loved New Member, Concours Rescue Society From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 9 11:03:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f09G3Dh17086 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 11:03:13 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 11:02:56 -0500 Message-Id: <200101091102.AA9896452@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: "'DCCycles'" Subject: Re: Meeting - Cryor's bill on children/motorcycles X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Custer, Carl" > 5.A law is needed so police officers can act. There's already laws. If existing laws are not acted on, they why would new laws be acted on? >There was an extensive discussion re the passenger should be able to reach >the pegs. > MD law only requires passenger pegs. The need not be reachable by >the passenger. That doesn't sound right. My recollection of the law, as we learned when teaching in Maryland, was that the passenger had to sit facing forward, on a factory-installed seat, with one leg on each side of the bike, feet on the pegs, with a hand-grab available. I remember thinking that that pretty much narrowed it down! Anybody have the ACTUAL LAW(S) handy? Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 9 11:11:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: from vitalspring.com (vitalspring.com [64.14.121.100]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f09GB9h17218 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 11:11:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from chris (server.valumed.com [207.197.137.66]) by vitalspring.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA24657; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 11:04:58 -0500 (EST) From: "Christopher Weaver" To: "Matthew Rosenstock" , Subject: RE: Corbin vs Sargent Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 11:12:18 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20010109153407.87930.qmail@web11207.mail.yahoo.com> You may (or may not) be able to buy an entire replacement seat from Sargent. They call these their "world sport" seats, and I have one of them. I love it. It's much better looking IMO, than the Corbins. Look through Sargent's website to see if they offer one of these for your GS. http://www.sargentcycle.com Chris Weaver '98 VTR1000F '89 YSR50 www.dccycles.com -----Original Message----- From: Matthew Rosenstock [mailto:m_rosenstock@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 7:34 AM To: soc-usa@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Corbin vs Sargent Hi folks- I know I posed this question a few months ago, but I did some research and need to ask again. I have a Suzuki GS500E and want a more comfortable seat for longer trips. After about 300 miles or so my tushi really feels it. Corbin has a seat for $400.00 which I'm not really willing to spend as I may sell the bike this year or next and upgrade. Sargent will redo my existing seat for about $275. Does the refurbish by Sargent match the new Corbin? Has anyone tried to find a seat on ebay or other auction? Matt __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 9 11:23:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: from pmesmtp01.wcom.com (pmesmtp01.wcom.com [199.249.20.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f09GNwh17490 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 11:23:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42256) id <0G6W00201LI3G2@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 16:22:51 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp02.wcomnet.com ([166.38.62.37]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42256) with ESMTP id <0G6W00246LI32B@XXXXXX>; Tue, 09 Jan 2001 16:22:51 +0000 (GMT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by pmismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42259) id <0G6W00B01LI3WL@XXXXXX>; Tue, 09 Jan 2001 16:22:51 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp02.wcomnet.com by pmismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42259) with SMTP id <0G6W00B01LHZVD@XXXXXX>; Tue, 09 Jan 2001 16:22:51 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.226]) by pmismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42259) with ESMTP id <0G6W00BKYLHQ5C@XXXXXX>; Tue, 09 Jan 2001 16:22:38 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 11:22:34 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Meeting - Cryor's bill on children/motorcycles To: cnorloff@XXXXXX Cc: "'DCCycles'" Message-id: <3A5B3ACA.CDFD700B@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <200101091102.AA9896452@mail.toward.com> Chris Norloff wrote: > That doesn't sound right. My recollection of the law, as we learned when teaching in Maryland, was that the passenger had to sit facing forward, on a factory-installed seat, with one leg on each side of the bike, feet on the pegs, with a hand-grab available. Does this mean that aftermarket seats (Sargent, Corbin) are technically illegal? -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi 1982 Suzuki GS850G 1987 Kawasaki Concours - untitled, un-named, previously un-loved New Member, Concours Rescue Society From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 9 11:46:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f09GkJh17989 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 11:46:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-44-81.s81.tnt3.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.44.81] helo=palladio) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14G1ua-0000i2-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 09 Jan 2001 11:46:16 -0500 Message-ID: <010501c07a5b$b09f0cc0$602c2c42@palladio> Reply-To: "Paul Wilson" From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc cycles" References: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F78021A@DCHQCLEXHQ> Subject: Re: Meeting - Cryor's bill on children/motorcycles Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 11:42:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 ----- Original Message ----- From: Cutter, Carl > Cryor opened the meeting by relating her past supportive relationships with > ABATE and as a Republican, she believed less government is better and adults > should be trusted for their own judgement, ergo, no helmet laws . . . > After getting folks to nod, she then offered these premises: > 1. If she didn't propose this bill, someone else would. Other > States are considering similar bans and Hawaii and Washington already have > such bans Sounds like the classic influence-peddling shakedown routine. "You'd better support me, or you'll be left to the mercy of my colleagues." > > Cryor wound up repeating that if not her, then someone else would propose a > broader, potentially more damaging bill. She said the motorcycling > community has few friends in the MD Assembly (ergo, support her). > > Carl in Bethesda Ever notice how the control freaks and those who seek to undermine civil liberties usually run under the cover of "protecting children." Free speech on the Internet is being assaulted under this premise. Those who would trade liberty for safety will end up with neither, to coin a phrase. Paul in DC 1991 CB750 http://users.erols.com/pawilson From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 9 12:05:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f09H5Vh18354 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 12:05:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-86-181.s562.tnt2.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.86.181] helo=palladio) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14G2DA-0005qy-00 ; Tue, 09 Jan 2001 12:05:29 -0500 Message-ID: <011701c07a5e$5fbb5180$602c2c42@palladio> Reply-To: "Paul Wilson" From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Erick Singley" Cc: "dc cycles" References: <001701c079e2$5acc92a0$e766173f@computer> Subject: Re: Solar battery charger Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 12:03:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Erick, I doubt the amperage output of the thing is sufficient to overcharge a battery, especially under occasional use and wintertime sun. If you're worried, go out in full sun with a fully charged battery and use an ammeter to check the charging rate. The device is fairly small, so I doubt the thing puts out more than .25 amps in full sun. Keep in mind that lead-acid batteries lose 1% of their charge just sitting there without any load. FYI--Trickle chargers usually have a 1 amp rate. The 91-01 CB750 OEM Yuasa battery is rated at 14 amp-hours. Looks like a good deal; I've seen moto-specific ones selling for around $40. You'll need a cigarette lighter socket and pig tail for your bike. Paul in DC 1991 CB750 http://users.erols.com/pawilson ----- Original Message ----- From: Erick Singley To: Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 9:55 AM Subject: Re: Solar battery charger > >Is this the same Harbor Freight that had such a deal on tire changers? > > More than likely ;) I'm sure the Battery Tender > (http://www.batterytender.com ) is "smarter" about charging than this > solar powered thing would be, but I'll be nowhere near a plug. > > the solar panel's description reads... > "(Super high output will keep your battery fully charged! Use with > auto, marine, truck, RV--any 12 volt battery. No installation, > simply plugs into the cigarette lighter. Compensates for small > steady battery drains. Mounts to dash or visor. )" > > I'm ignorant of the needs of a battery the size the CB-750 needs. > Searching google.com for the keywords "solar battery motorcycle" > lists quite a few people who have kept a motorcycle battery charged > with solar, but they don't mention riding it afterwards ;) I guess > I'll try it and live and learn then... Thanks! From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 9 12:07:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f09H7Yh18374 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 12:07:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f09H7V88587943 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 12:07:31 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3A5B454F.F4555FF5@radix.net> Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 12:07:27 -0500 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc cycles Subject: Re: Meeting - Cryor's bill on children/motorcycles References: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F78021A@DCHQCLEXHQ> <010501c07a5b$b09f0cc0$602c2c42@palladio> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Paul Wilson reminded us: ... Other > > States are considering similar bans and Hawaii and Washington already have > > such bans > > Sounds like the classic influence-peddling shakedown routine. "You'd better > support me, or you'll be left to the mercy of my colleagues." Cryor is obviously a competent professional politician who is skilled in the art of convincing people they indeed need something that in fact they do not... i.e. she could sell a drowning man a cup of water. > > > > Cryor wound up repeating that if not her, then someone else would propose > > a broader, potentially more damaging bill. She said the motorcycling > > community has few friends in the MD Assembly (ergo, support her). > > > > Carl in Bethesda > > Ever notice how the control freaks and those who seek to > undermine civil liberties usually run under the cover of "protecting > children." Free speech on the Internet is being assaulted under this > premise. Those who would trade liberty for safety will end up with neither, > to coin a phrase. Funny you should mention that Paul, the VERY same argument is being used to forward higher taxes for Fairfax county (today's post), the 'regional' northern Va. taxing authority, and not implementing the 'car tax "repeal" ' ...we need that money for our children, and the schools...' Why not make schools 'pay for use' ? -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 9 13:24:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: from shared1-mail.whowhere.com (shared1-qin.whowhere.com [209.185.123.111]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f09IOFh19626 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 13:24:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from Unknown/Local ([?.?.?.?]) by theglobe.com; Tue Jan 9 10:23:54 2001 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 10:23:54 -0800 From: "Matthew Patton" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off Reply-To: pattonme@XXXXXX X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: OT - time share for sale, tools for rent X-Sender-Ip: 209.117.173.15 Organization: E-Mail @ theglobe.com (http://www.globe-mail.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ok, there is some MC content: I'm equipping my garage with some more tools that you are welcome to come by and barrow/use depending on the item. various gear/pully pullers, air-compressor and attachments, bearing pullers (for replacing wheel bearings), vise, drill, drill press, saber saw, grinder attachments, tire irons, bead breaker, socket set, etc. I'm having to do some moderate work on my cage engine which is why I recently added some of these items. And since my NH is high milage I might have to do something with that at some point as well. If you do your own wrenching (or want to) borrowing can save the initial cost outlay. But the real purpose of the message is to get rid of my time share. It's near Lauray Caverns and Massanutten mountain off of I-81about 2 hours from DC via I-66. The week number is 11, price is $7000 and the '4 star' resort is all-season (good skiing) and brand spanking new. You can even get a 2nd week for just $4500 but the offer letter expires in Feb. The international 'swapping' arrangements are through Interval International, the biggest global firm for timeshare exhanges. If you or somebody you know is interested I'll be happy to provide more details. Or if you have a bboard at work or whatever and could post it, that would be great, too. Thanks. theglobe.com Your friendly full-service integrated online community. http://www.theglobe.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 9 13:44:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f09Iikh19932 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 13:44:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA24664 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 13:44:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from gecko.zen-data.com (dsl-64-194-164-125.telocity.com [64.194.164.125]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA08573 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 13:44:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from vulture.wheatintl.com ([209.249.185.69]) by gecko.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA02581 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 13:44:36 -0500 Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20010109134346.0296c230@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 13:44:34 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Spam of interest Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Some of you may be interested in this bit of spam that popped into my box today. >Hello: > >My name is Ken Wahlster and I would like to ask for your help. 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With over 5,000,000 motorcycles, >ATV, scooters, snowmobiles and personal watercraft in the US alone >BikeBandit.com promises to be one of the hottest new sites on the Internet! > >BikeBandit.com is an all ages site. > >Sign up online here: >http://www.bikebandit.com/PartsBandit/affiliates.asp >I am looking forward to doing business with all of you. > >Sincerely, >Ken Wahlster >www.BikeBandit.com ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 Member : AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA There is an evil tendency underlying all our technology - the tendency to do what is reasonable even when it isn't any good. - Robert Pirsig, Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 9 14:02:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f09J2gh20285 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 14:02:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA24761 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 14:02:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from pmesmtp02.wcom.com (pmesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.20.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA08928 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 14:02:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42257) id <0G6W00I01SW5WH@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 19:02:29 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp02.wcomnet.com ([166.38.58.142]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42257) with ESMTP id <0G6W00I1HSW4Q5@XXXXXX>; Tue, 09 Jan 2001 19:02:28 +0000 (GMT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by dgismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42263) id <0G6W00A01SW4FT@XXXXXX>; Tue, 09 Jan 2001 19:02:28 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp02.wcomnet.com by dgismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42263) with SMTP id <0G6W00A01SVZEU@XXXXXX>; Tue, 09 Jan 2001 19:02:28 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.226]) by dgismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42263) with ESMTP id <0G6W005O2SVUQY@XXXXXX>; Tue, 09 Jan 2001 19:02:19 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 14:02:15 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Spam of interest To: Troutman Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3A5B6037.FF4601AA@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <5.0.0.25.2.20010109134346.0296c230@mail.wheatintl.com> Troutman wrote: > > >I am looking forward to doing business with all of you. > > > >Sincerely, > >Ken Wahlster > >www.BikeBandit.com I was seriously underwhelmed by their tire prices...haven't really checked anything else out yet... -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi 1982 Suzuki GS850G 1987 Kawasaki Concours - untitled, un-named, previously un-loved New Member, Concours Rescue Society From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 9 14:14:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web510.mail.yahoo.com (web510.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.225]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f09JESh20517 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 14:14:29 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20010109191426.1483.qmail@web510.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.219.157.35] by web510.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 09 Jan 2001 11:14:26 PST Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 11:14:26 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Meeting - Cryor's bill on children/motorcycles To: Dale Horstman , cnorloff@XXXXXX Cc: "'DCCycles'" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Dale Horstman wrote: > Chris Norloff wrote: > > > That doesn't sound right. My recollection of the law, > as we learned when teaching in Maryland, was that the > passenger had to sit facing forward, on a > factory-installed seat, with one leg on each side of the > bike, feet on the pegs, with a hand-grab available. > > Does this mean that aftermarket seats (Sargent, Corbin) > are technically illegal? i believe the reference to "factory-installed seat" is intended to preclude some idiot from stapling a breadbasket to his fender, sticking his infant in it, then claiming to comply with the law. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 9 14:21:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f09JLhh20725 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 14:21:43 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 14:21:40 -0500 Message-Id: <200101091421.AA66000@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: "'DCCycles'" Subject: Re: Meeting - Cryor's bill on children/motorcycles X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Dale Horstman >Chris Norloff wrote: >> That doesn't sound right. My recollection of the law, as we learned when teaching in Maryland, was that the passenger had to sit facing forward, on a factory-installed seat, with one leg on each side of the bike, feet on the pegs, with a hand-grab available. > >Does this mean that aftermarket seats (Sargent, Corbin) >are technically illegal? Ha ha! Good point. I'm not certain of the wording, but I remember that it must have been in response someone attaching a temporary seat on the gas tank in front of the rider. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 9 14:42:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: from dgesmtp01.wcom.com (dgesmtp01.wcom.com [199.249.16.16]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f09JgHh21153 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 14:42:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42260) id <0G6W00M01UPVTT@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 19:41:55 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp03.wcomnet.com ([166.38.58.143]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42260) with ESMTP id <0G6W00M0PUPVTE@XXXXXX>; Tue, 09 Jan 2001 19:41:55 +0000 (GMT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by dgismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) id <0G6W00201UPVW9@XXXXXX>; Tue, 09 Jan 2001 19:41:55 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp03.wcomnet.com by dgismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with SMTP id <0G6W00201UPANY@XXXXXX>; Tue, 09 Jan 2001 19:41:55 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.226]) by dgismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with ESMTP id <0G6W0017OUP2KZ@XXXXXX>; Tue, 09 Jan 2001 19:41:26 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 14:41:22 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Meeting - Cryor's bill on children/motorcycles To: cnorloff@XXXXXX Cc: "'DCCycles'" Message-id: <3A5B6962.59891CDD@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <200101091421.AA66000@mail.toward.com> Chris Norloff wrote: > Ha ha! Good point. I'm not certain of the wording, but I remember that it must have been in response someone attaching a temporary seat on the gas tank in front of the rider. Personally I think that would be a better place for a small passenger, provided you could let them hang onto something (the handlebar? a small child likely couldn't overpower your steering inputs) and a suitable set of footpegs (stirrups?). What would be so terrible about this? My 5 year-old daughter has been chomping at the bit to ride with Mom or Dad on the bikes, but she hasn't been able to reach the footpegs on the Connies until just recently. Looks like I'll be in the market for a XS full face helmet, gloves, and a riding jacket here soon. :) I fully expect her to fall asleep after about 5 to 10 minutes in the saddle (just like her big sister does), so the CRV riding harness we have will come in handy again. Strap her to the rider, and think positive thoughts. :) My older daughter claims she likes to ride, but she's had problems staying awake in the past. We've been mostly limited to very short neighborhood rides as a result. As for Cryor's proposed bill - I just don't think you can or should have legislation take the place of responsible parenting. Existing passenger and child welfare laws in MD seem to be sufficient, to me. Horkster -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi 1982 Suzuki GS850G 1987 Kawasaki Concours - untitled, un-named, previously un-loved New Member, Concours Rescue Society From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 9 15:00:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: from shared1-mail.whowhere.com (shared1-qin.whowhere.com [209.185.123.111]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f09K0th21574 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 15:00:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from Unknown/Local ([?.?.?.?]) by theglobe.com; Tue Jan 9 12:00:39 2001 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 12:00:39 -0800 From: "Matthew Patton" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off Reply-To: pattonme@XXXXXX X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: Re: Meeting - Cryor's bill on children/motorcycles X-Sender-Ip: 209.117.173.15 Organization: E-Mail @ theglobe.com (http://www.globe-mail.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >I fully expect her to fall asleep after about 5 to 10 minutes hightened carbon monoxide levels? Happens to quite a few people is seems. Or maybe it's just soothing to feel the throb of an MC beneath you and not have to mentally work at driving it which leads to slumber. theglobe.com Your friendly full-service integrated online community. http://www.theglobe.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 9 16:07:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f09L7Rh22685 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 16:07:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-206.patriot.net [209.249.180.206]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f09KlMG24927; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 15:47:22 -0500 Message-ID: <3A5B77C0.F6E1E877@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 15:42:40 -0500 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dale Horstman CC: cnorloff@XXXXXX, "'DCCycles'" Subject: Re: Meeting - Cryor's bill on children/motorcycles References: <200101091102.AA9896452@mail.toward.com> <3A5B3ACA.CDFD700B@home.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dale Horstman wrote: > Chris Norloff wrote: > > > That doesn't sound right. My recollection of the law, as we learned when teaching in Maryland, was that the passenger had to sit facing forward, on a factory-installed seat, with one leg on each side of the bike, feet on the pegs, with a hand-grab available. > > Does this mean that aftermarket seats (Sargent, Corbin) > are technically illegal? > - Or even more silly, does that mean anytiume after one takes the seat off to access battery/whatever makes carrying a passenger on a self-reinstalled seat illegal? Bill From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 9 16:20:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f09LKEh22919 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 16:20:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-206.patriot.net [209.249.180.206]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f09L49G27899; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 16:04:09 -0500 Message-ID: <3A5B7BAF.A7E53AC6@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 15:59:27 -0500 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dale Horstman CC: cnorloff@XXXXXX, "'DCCycles'" Subject: Re: Meeting - Cryor's bill on children/motorcycles References: <200101091421.AA66000@mail.toward.com> <3A5B6962.59891CDD@home.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dale Horstman wrote: > Chris Norloff wrote: > > > Ha ha! Good point. I'm not certain of the wording, but I remember that it must have been in response someone attaching a temporary seat on the gas tank in front of the rider. > > Personally I think that would be a better place for a small passenger, > provided you could let them hang onto something (the handlebar? a > small child likely couldn't overpower your steering inputs) and > a suitable set of footpegs (stirrups?). What would be so > terrible about this? > > My 5 year-old daughter has been chomping at the bit to > ride with Mom or Dad on the bikes, but she hasn't been > able to reach the footpegs on the Connies until just > recently. Looks like I'll be in the market for a XS > full face helmet, gloves, and a riding jacket here soon. :) > > I fully expect her to fall asleep after about 5 to 10 minutes > in the saddle (just like her big sister does), so the CRV > riding harness we have will come in handy again. Strap her > to the rider, and think positive thoughts. :) > > My older daughter claims she likes to ride, but she's had > problems staying awake in the past. We've been mostly limited > to very short neighborhood rides as a result. > > As for Cryor's proposed bill - I just don't think you can > or should have legislation take the place of responsible parenting. > Existing passenger and child welfare laws in MD seem to be sufficient, > to me. > > Horkster > Before practically any M/C laws (no headlights on etc etc) I use to pick up my pre-school son. He'd sit on the tank and hang on to the convenient crossbar on the handlebars. I take my granddaughter (9) for rides around the block and she'll be on the road with me when she gets a few inches taller. My daughter was a good passenger, no falling asleep from her. On a camping excursion on Skyline Drive she kept whapping my helmet and screaming GO FASTER! I wuz allready scraping pegs on the Suzuki 550. Now her speed toy is a personal watercraft, clocked at 52 by the Tennessee water Poo-Leece, but no ticket. She's a master of the sweet smile and possesses the cleavage stun weapon :-) Bill From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 9 16:42:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web10505.mail.yahoo.com (web10505.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.155]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f09LgUh23314 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 16:42:30 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20010109214227.87529.qmail@web10505.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.247.84.231] by web10505.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 09 Jan 2001 13:42:27 PST Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 13:42:27 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: Meeting - Cryor's bill on children/motorcycles To: Bill Huson Cc: "'DCCycles'" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Bill Huson wrote: > whapping my helmet and screaming GO FASTER! I wuz > allready scraping pegs on the Suzuki 550. Now her > speed toy is a personal > watercraft, clocked at 52 by the Tennessee water > Poo-Leece, but no ticket. She's a master of the > sweet smile and possesses the cleavage stun weapon > :-) > > Bill > "HHMMM, by chance would she be visiting anytime soon?" said the lecherous old man. :) Todd W. ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 9 17:38:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f204.pav1.hotmail.com [64.4.31.204]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f09Mc4h24231 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 17:38:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 14:36:56 -0800 Received: from 204.193.255.42 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 09 Jan 2001 22:36:56 GMT X-Originating-IP: [204.193.255.42] From: "Doug Allis" To: the.horkster@XXXXXX, cnorloff@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Meeting - Cryor's bill on children/motorcycles Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 22:36:56 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jan 2001 22:36:56.0498 (UTC) FILETIME=[ABEF7120:01C07A8C] >I fully expect her to fall asleep after about 5 to 10 minutes >in the saddle (just like her big sister does), so the CRV >riding harness we have will come in handy again. Strap her >to the rider, and think positive thoughts. :) I suppose I should get a riding harness for my wife. She falls asleep with all her weight on my back, arms around my waist. Some people can sleep anywhere.... _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 9 17:54:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f09Msmh24494 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 17:54:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id f09MxCc16560 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 17:59:12 -0500 From: Brian Roach Reply-To: roach@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Meeting - Cryor's bill on children/motorcycles Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 17:59:12 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.95.2] Content-Type: text/plain References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01010917591208.13001@www.mostlyharmless.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > I suppose I should get a riding harness for my wife. She falls asleep with > all her weight on my back, arms around my waist. Some people can sleep > anywhere.... Not to name any names... but *someone* around here has that skill while riding on the back of a harley... :) - Roach From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 9 20:14:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: from m11.boston.juno.com (m11.boston.juno.com [63.211.172.74]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0A1EDh26812 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 20:14:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"fTLSAcSSZ0OO+O1u10jMXMgvTY0i9RPh3a6ccCCvCXjHHdafhA3fdw=="> Received: (from celticracing@XXXXXX) by m11.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id FTDTA7KP; Tue, 09 Jan 2001 20:13:41 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, fastlanecycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 20:04:34 -0500 Subject: Vintage (and other) Maintenance @ 20% off Message-ID: <20010109.201207.-382697.0.CelticRacing@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 3-5,7,9-10,12 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Tom Fitzpatrick Rick, owner of Fast Lane Cycles in Chantilly, told me today that he will discount labor by 20% this month. 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Contractor Inc. - Insurance Recovery Specialist for Your Home* *Janet Bell TAX Preparation, Accounting and Consulting (belljan@XXXXXX)* From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 9 21:09:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h001.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.165]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f0A29wh27703 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 21:09:58 -0500 (EST) Received: (cpmta 4364 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2001 18:09:48 -0800 Received: from 1Cust105.tnt9.tco2.da.uu.net (HELO oemcomputer) (63.15.231.105) by smtp.peoplepc.com (209.228.32.165) with SMTP; 9 Jan 2001 18:09:48 -0800 X-Sent: 10 Jan 2001 02:09:48 GMT Message-ID: <000701c07aaa$f795ea00$69e70f3f@oemcomputer> From: "Laura Granato" To: , References: <01010917591208.13001@www.mostlyharmless.net> Subject: Re: Meeting - Cryor's bill on children/motorcycles Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 21:11:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 > > > I suppose I should get a riding harness for my wife. She falls asleep with > > all her weight on my back, arms around my waist. Some people can sleep > > anywhere.... > > Not to name any names... but *someone* around here has that skill while > riding on the back of a harley... I can't imagine who that would be! I guess i have to pay closer attention to who the heck my man is riding around on the back of his bikes, huh? ;-) Laura From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 10 08:00:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web10510.mail.yahoo.com (web10510.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.142]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f0AD0sh08764 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 08:00:55 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20010110130052.66339.qmail@web10510.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.247.89.50] by web10510.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 05:00:52 PST Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 05:00:52 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: Was: Redneck here Taxes here - OT, Is: Personal Responsibility To: "Smith, Steven" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Robert Verde > > Well and goodly written. I am very happy that you > are able to enjoy the > fruits of your labors today thanks to the > confiscation and redistribution of > the fruits of others' labors yesterday Are you faulting him for using the system? I believe that is unfair. Like you, I have qualified for various forms of assistance in the past, and it never occurred to me to request it. I always made my own way. However, I do not have a problem with someone who finds themselves on hard times and looks at what is available to them. That is not the same as someone who manipulates the system, i.e. applying for a job with no intention of accepting it, just to keep unemployment benefits coming in. There are plenty of parasites in society who can be faulted, but I don't think he qualifies. Todd W. ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 10 10:13:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mailhub1.trw.com (mailhub1.TRW.COM [129.193.4.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0AFDTh10707 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 10:13:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from navieg1.trw.com by mailhub1.trw.com for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 07:12:57 -0800 Received: from RESVA-MS6.resva.trw.com ([158.114.112.204]) by navieg1 (NAVIEG 2.1 bld 63) with SMTP id M2001011007141412748 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 07:14:14 -0800 Received: from trw.com (dhcp183-165.fp.trw.com [129.193.183.165]) by RESVA-MS6.resva.trw.com; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 10:12:50 -0500 Message-Id: <3A5C7BBD.5B8DF877@trw.com> Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 10:11:58 -0500 From: Randy Moran X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" , "Smith, Steven" Subject: Crash's Personal Responsibility Thread References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mr. Smith, I've read a lot of things on the Internet, and a lot of things on this list. Numerous pissing contests and the occasional Dick E. Yanker missive. I don't guess that any of them have been as rude or as mean as this one of yours. You stopped short of calling Robert's father a bum but not so short that we didn't know what you meant. You also seemed to imply that Robert's own achievements are tainted since he was a member of a family that accepted government assistance. Unbelievable. Your description of your family's privation is convincing; also unfortunate in that the things you suffered seem to have left you bitter and without manners. Can it be true that you have never been the beneficiary of charity or goodwill of any kind? I certainly don't mean to disparage your politics. I tend to conservatism as well and I feel that "cradle-to-grave" social engineering is a recipe for disaster. Nor do I like taxes as a rule, though I too spent many years in the Army and, like you, was the happy recipient of a little of that revenue, both while I was in and after in the form of the GI Bill. However I do feel that it's important that we remember our basic humanity and that we not let the adversities in our lives give us the impression that, having survived them, we have the right to lord ourselves over others as a shining example of the frontier ethic. -- Randy Moran "Smith, Steven" wrote: > Well and goodly written. I am very happy that you are able to enjoy the > fruits of your labors today thanks to the confiscation and redistribution of > the fruits of others' labors yesterday. However, as the sole support of a > family of four, which became five, back in the days after I left the > military and pursued an education to improve my life, I too qualified for > various forms of state sponsored largess at the expense of my fellow > citizens. I declined. > > Usually that decision meant no propane in the tank in January, cabbage and > potatoes for dinner most days, buying kids clothes at Saint Vincent de > Paul's, and foregoing anything resembling an entertainment expense to > compensate for a lack of medical insurance. But we squeaked by like that > for years and warmed ourselves with the thought that things would be better > someday if we kept working at it. And here we are. Now, because of my > service, my children have the right to live in the greatest country on God's > green earth free and without apology. Now, because of the economic > sacrifices we made, we don't bear any guilt for using the government to pick > the pockets of others for us without any burden to repay. > > The quality of your citizenship is in the validation. Any slug can pay > taxes and vote. Especially given a tax code that allows disproportionate > taxation without disproportionate representation, and politicians who pander > to the self-interest of voters rather than common interest. This concept > was well understood by the people who founded this country. People who > actually lived in circumstances that required daily decisions of life and > death to survive on a hostile frontier. Personally, I would rather emulate > those people -- than their sheep. > > Just my opinion, > > Crash Mr. Smith, I've read a lot of things on the Internet, and a lot of things on this list. Numerous pissing contests and the occasional Dick E. Yanker missive. I don't guess that any of them have been as rude or as mean as this one of yours. You stopped short of calling Robert's father a bum but not so short that we didn't know what you meant. You also seemed to imply that Robert's own achievements are tainted since he was a member of a family that accepted government assistance. Unbelievable. Your description of your family's privation is convincing; also unfortunate in that the things you suffered seem to have left you bitter and without manners. Can it be true that you have never been the beneficiary of charity or goodwill of any kind? I certainly don't mean to disparage your politics. I tend to conservatism as well and I feel that "cradle-to-grave" social engineering is a recipe for disaster. Nor do I like taxes as a rule, though I too spent many years in the Army and, like you, was the happy recipient of a little of that revenue, both while I was in and after in the form of the GI Bill. However I do feel that it's important that we remember our basic humanity and that we not let the adversities in our lives give us the impression that, having survived them, we have the right to lord ourselves over others as a shining example of the frontier ethic. -- Randy Moran From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 10 10:44:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: from shared1-mail.whowhere.com (shared1-qin.whowhere.com [209.185.123.111]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f0AFilh11182 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 10:44:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from Unknown/Local ([?.?.?.?]) by theglobe.com; Wed Jan 10 07:43:12 2001 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 07:43:12 -0800 From: "Matthew Patton" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off Reply-To: pattonme@XXXXXX X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: Re: Crash's Personal Responsibility Thread X-Sender-Ip: 209.117.173.15 Organization: E-Mail @ theglobe.com (http://www.globe-mail.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ti's really a matter of philosophy. The 'attack' might not have been nice but it did bring out the stark reality of what his father did. Calling a Spade a Spade is what we desperately need in this country. Wealth redistribution by the state is evil. Dependance on the State for welfare is likewise. That's my belief. Not only is gov't redistribution incredibly inefficient and wasteful, it has emasculated the normal/traditional avenues of support that we once had. Not to mention, how can a man have pride in himself or his family if he's in a gov't bread line?? Talk about humiliation. A man's job is to work and provide. If he has to work 2 jobs, then so be it. Even if it's flipping the proverbial burger. There is satisfaction and pride in doing it on your own. And a man so working can still be grateful for the assistance of his local church and neighbors. But a handout from the gov't is the ultimate slap in the face. Do you think he can show his face to his peers and associates? No. It doesn't matter if you try to rationalize it by saying "well it's owed me since I payed all those taxes." Think about all that money you pay into every year. For me it's $400 a month. Can you imagine how wonderful that would be to have as a nest egg to use when you hit hard times? Some beaurocrat designed Social Security because people weren't saving enough. Well, tell you what. Even if I'm earning only 3% on my money, I'm WAY ahead of any return SS pretends to provide. And what's even more dispicable about SS is that it could stop at any time. There is no "trust fund" there is no "bank account." If Congress wasn't scared of the retired folk and the millions on welfare they could just forget to appropriate the money next budget cycle. It's a general revenue tax, nothing more. theglobe.com Your friendly full-service integrated online community. http://www.theglobe.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 10 10:49:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: from pmesmtp02.wcom.com (pmesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.20.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0AFnQh11271 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 10:49:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42257) id <0G6Y00M01EKVEG@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 15:48:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp03.wcomnet.com ([166.38.58.143]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42257) with ESMTP id <0G6Y00KE0EKVZ5@XXXXXX>; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 15:48:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by dgismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) id <0G6Y00101EKUQT@XXXXXX>; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 15:48:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp03.wcomnet.com by dgismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with SMTP id <0G6Y00101EKPPW@XXXXXX>; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 15:48:30 +0000 (GMT) Received: from chan3544t ([166.36.153.47]) by dgismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with SMTP id <0G6Y0006GEKDUZ@XXXXXX>; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 15:48:14 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 10:48:07 -0500 From: Robert Verde Subject: RE: Crash's Personal Responsibility Thread In-reply-to: <3A5C7BBD.5B8DF877@trw.com> To: "'Randy Moran'" Cc: "DC Cycles (E-mail)" Reply-to: c-Robert.Verde@XXXXXX Message-id: <000c01c07b1c$bab5a0e0$2f9924a6@wcomnet.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Fellow listers; I responded to Crash's post offline, and he proffered his apologies for any misunderstanding. His expressed intent, if I may paraphrase, was to dispute the principles I had touted in my earlier post, not to slam me in a public forum. Freedom to express one's views is one reason I enjoy our online community. I am a new member of the list, and I do value the comments and feedback expressed by other listers, so I would hope we can drop this issue and move back to discussing motorcycling! Thanks! Robert Verde From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 10 10:51:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web10504.mail.yahoo.com (web10504.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.154]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f0AFpbh11350 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 10:51:37 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20010110155131.70677.qmail@web10504.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.247.89.50] by web10504.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 07:51:31 PST Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 07:51:31 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: Crash's Personal Responsibility Thread To: Randy Moran , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Randy Moran wrote: > Mr. Smith, > > I've read a lot of things on the Internet, and a lot > of things on this list. > Numerous pissing contests and the occasional Dick E. > Yanker missive. I don't > guess that any of them have been as rude or as mean > as this one of yours. You > stopped short of calling Robert's father a bum but > not so short that we didn't > know what you meant. You also seemed to imply that > Robert's own achievements > are tainted since he was a member of a family that > accepted government > assistance. Unbelievable. Your description of your > family's privation is > convincing; also unfortunate in that the things you > suffered seem to have left > you bitter and without manners. Can it be true that > you have never been the > beneficiary of charity or goodwill of any kind? > > I certainly don't mean to disparage your politics. I > tend to conservatism as > well and I feel that "cradle-to-grave" social > engineering is a recipe for > disaster. Nor do I like taxes as a rule, though I > too spent many years in the > Army and, like you, was the happy recipient of a > little of that revenue, both > while I was in and after in the form of the GI Bill. > However I do feel that > it's important that we remember our basic humanity > and that we not let the > adversities in our lives give us the impression > that, having survived them, we > have the right to lord ourselves over others as a > shining example of the > frontier ethic. > > -- > Randy Moran Well said. Todd W. ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 10 11:00:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: from wpo.aamc.org (wpo.aamc.org [143.220.4.36]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f0AG0Hh11523 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 11:00:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from AAMC-Message_Server by wpo.aamc.org with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 10:56:45 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.2.1 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 10:56:33 -0500 From: "Onur Topac" To: Subject: State Farm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id f0AG0Oh11524 I know this issue has been beaten to death but...for those who need insurance, check out State Farm. Agent Charles Sumpter in Bethesda gave me a price at half the cost of Progressive with better coverage and awesome service. He's also a former rider. Very cool individual. His number is 301-657-2323 Onur Moving Around, MD '84 Magna V30 From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 10 11:24:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web511.mail.yahoo.com (web511.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.226]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f0AGOqh11893 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 11:24:52 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20010110162449.25343.qmail@web511.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.219.157.35] by web511.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 08:24:49 PST Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 08:24:49 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: State Farm To: Onur Topac , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Onur Topac wrote: > I know this issue has been beaten to death but...for > those who need insurance, check out State Farm. Agent > Charles Sumpter in Bethesda gave me a price at half the > cost of Progressive with better coverage and awesome > service. He's also a former rider. Very cool > individual. > > His number is 301-657-2323 merhaba, onur. yes, charles and curtis (brothers) are very nice people and state farm is the perfect company for sportbikers due to their emphasis on engine size (rather than bike type) for determining coverage costs. i recommend state farm and charles sumpter every time this topic comes up. btw, i don't speak turkish yet (except for a few nasty words) ... but i'm marrying a turk in june, so i plan on learning it. can you recommend a local teacher? -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 10 11:43:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: from dgesmtp01.wcom.com (dgesmtp01.wcom.com [199.249.16.16]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0AGhah12225 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 11:43:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42260) id <0G6Y00J01H2NZ9@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 16:42:23 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp03.wcomnet.com ([166.38.58.143]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42260) with ESMTP id <0G6Y00J8HH2N4U@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 16:42:23 +0000 (GMT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by dgismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) id <0G6Y00801H2LME@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 16:42:22 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp03.wcomnet.com by dgismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with SMTP id <0G6Y00801H2JLI@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 16:42:20 +0000 (GMT) Received: from chan3544t ([166.36.153.47]) by dgismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with SMTP id <0G6Y005J4H1YBU@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 16:41:58 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 11:41:51 -0500 From: Robert Verde Subject: RE: Crash's Personal Responsibility Thread In-reply-to: To: "DC Cycles (E-mail)" Reply-to: c-Robert.Verde@XXXXXX Message-id: <000d01c07b24$3c5ada00$2f9924a6@wcomnet.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Whoo-hoo! Just for a bit of reality check, Matthew, a bit of additional information about my anecdotal post earlier. My father had kids late in life. Pretty common story probably; younger wife, new family, wife split with boyfriend, leaving my father at the age of 62 with three young kids. Having been a teacher, as I mentioned, he got a pension; $100 a month to live on and raise his family. Did he take advantage of the largesse of others by getting Aid for Dependant Children? Sure, in some sense. Did he have other options? I don't know, as I never really discussed it with him before he passed away. My earlier point, which seems to have been missed by several persons, was that despite my dirt-poor upbringing, I am now a functional member of society, and I feel that the taxes I have paid over my lifetime have more than paid back society for any "handout" I got as a minor. I got my first job at fifteen, washing dishes, went to college when I was sixteen, and never have looked back. And, I still think there is a value to society as a whole to have mechanisms to support those in need, as this benefits all of us in the long run, my case submitted as a point. Now, I don't really care to debate those who don't want to pay taxes, or express pride about about military service and hatred towards politicians. But I am proud of what I have become, a full participant in my local community of choice, and a happy motorcyclist (once the weather out here starts to warm up, dang it! I am also a transplant from Oregon...). So can we drop the subject of my family? I apologize for waving a red flag for some listers, but hey, that's life. Now, if I could only find out if the new Avon Azaro II's fit my '83 Interceptor... Are we all so chilly we welcome a flame war? Robert Verde PS: If you want to talk about "stark reality", at least take it off line, Matthew. I've got plenty of "reality" for you... 8-) -----Original Message----- From: Matthew Patton [mailto:pattonme@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2001 10:43 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Crash's Personal Responsibility Thread ti's really a matter of philosophy. The 'attack' might not have been nice but it did bring out the stark reality of what his father did. Calling a Spade a Spade is what we desperately need in this country. Wealth redistribution by the state is evil. Dependance on the State for welfare is likewise. That's my belief. Not only is gov't redistribution incredibly inefficient and wasteful, it has emasculated the normal/traditional avenues of support that we once had. Not to mention, how can a man have pride in himself or his family if he's in a gov't bread line?? Talk about humiliation. A man's job is to work and provide. If he has to work 2 jobs, then so be it. Even if it's flipping the proverbial burger. There is satisfaction and pride in doing it on your own. And a man so working can still be grateful for the assistance of his local church and neighbors. But a handout from the gov't is the ultimate slap in the face. Do you think he can show his face to his peers and associates? No. It doesn't matter if you try to rationalize it by saying "well it's owed me since I payed all those taxes." Think about all that money you pay into every year. For me it's $400 a month. Can you imagine how wonderful that would be to have as a nest egg to use when you hit hard times? Some beaurocrat designed Social Security because people weren't saving enough. Well, tell you what. Even if I'm earning only 3% on my money, I'm WAY ahead of any return SS pretends to provide. And what's even more dispicable about SS is that it could stop at any time. There is no "trust fund" there is no "bank account." If Congress wasn't scared of the retired folk and the millions on welfare they could just forget to appropriate the money next budget cycle. It's a general revenue tax, nothing more. theglobe.com Your friendly full-service integrated online community. http://www.theglobe.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 10 11:54:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: from wbln0014.worldbank.org (wbln0014.worldbank.org [138.220.29.7]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0AGsJh12387 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 11:54:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from WBLN0014.worldbank.org (wbln0014.worldbank.org) by wbln0014.worldbank.org (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.1.5) with ESMTP id for ; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 11:34:09 -0500 Subject: Re: State Farm To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.4 June 8, 2000 Message-ID: From: jitabashi@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 11:34:09 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on WBLN0014/Facility/World Bank(Release 5.0.5 |September 22, 2000) at 01/10/2001 11:34:09 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Yes, State Farm does have great MC pricing but you have to switch your car over too. Their car rates are not to bad either but you HAVE to have a clean driving record. My g/f saved $700 a year swiching her car and mc to State Farm, her mc went from $900 to $300 a year. Plus she got better coverage for both vehicles. I had one car ticket 1.5 years ago so they could not offer me a good car deal but the mc was $100 cheaper a year than my current provider, $309 to $210. I will call them in 1.5 years...if I remember. James Itabashi The World Bank Group Site 8 SMS Administrator ISGGC - ISGITC 202-458-1697 x.81697 I2-165D jitabashi@XXXXXX "Onur Topac" g> cc: Subject: State Farm 01/10/2001 10:56 AM I know this issue has been beaten to death but...for those who need insurance, check out State Farm. Agent Charles Sumpter in Bethesda gave me a price at half the cost of Progressive with better coverage and awesome service. He's also a former rider. Very cool individual. His number is 301-657-2323 Onur Moving Around, MD '84 Magna V30 From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 10 12:18:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: from wpo.aamc.org (wpo.aamc.org [143.220.4.36]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f0AHIVh12788 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 12:18:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from AAMC-Message_Server by wpo.aamc.org with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 12:15:02 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.2.1 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 12:14:37 -0500 From: "Onur Topac" To: Subject: Re: State Farm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id f0AHIfh12789 I don't have a car so it wasn't a problem. Still cheaper. Onur >>> 01/10/01 11:34AM >>> Yes, State Farm does have great MC pricing but you have to switch your car over too. Their car rates are not to bad either but you HAVE to have a clean driving record. My g/f saved $700 a year swiching her car and mc to State Farm, her mc went from $900 to $300 a year. Plus she got better coverage for both vehicles. I had one car ticket 1.5 years ago so they could not offer me a good car deal but the mc was $100 cheaper a year than my current provider, $309 to $210. I will call them in 1.5 years...if I remember. James Itabashi The World Bank Group Site 8 SMS Administrator ISGGC - ISGITC 202-458-1697 x.81697 I2-165D jitabashi@XXXXXX "Onur Topac" g> cc: Subject: State Farm 01/10/2001 10:56 AM I know this issue has been beaten to death but...for those who need insurance, check out State Farm. Agent Charles Sumpter in Bethesda gave me a price at half the cost of Progressive with better coverage and awesome service. He's also a former rider. Very cool individual. His number is 301-657-2323 Onur Moving Around, MD '84 Magna V30 From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 10 12:39:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net (mr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net [198.5.241.87]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0AHdVh13080 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 12:39:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from [153.39.169.219] by mr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: ippool169-219.corp.us.uu.net [153.39.169.219]) id QQjxjy25580 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 17:39:29 GMT From: dsnyder@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: dsnyder@XXXXXX Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 12:39:28 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Virginia Inspections Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Hey, Anyone know if converting the brake lights to brake/turn signals is legal in Virginia? I need to get the ride inspected soon. My license plate was also relocated back directly on top of the real wheel and is not illuminated. Thanks, Dan 00 RSV From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 10 12:50:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: from bpexchange.dcscorp.com (bpexchange.dcscorp.com [204.7.239.11]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0AHnxh13227 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 12:49:59 -0500 (EST) Received: by bpexchange.dcscorp.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 12:51:07 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Smith, Steven" To: "'Todd Withrow '" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Was: Redneck here Taxes here - OT, Is: Personal Responsibilit y Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 12:50:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain -----Original Message----- From: Todd Withrow To: Smith, Steven; 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' Sent: 1/10/01 8:00 AM Subject: Re: Was: Redneck here Taxes here - OT, Is: Personal Responsibility > > Robert Verde > > Well and goodly written. I am very happy that you > are able to enjoy the > fruits of your labors today thanks to the > confiscation and redistribution of > the fruits of others' labors yesterday > Are you faulting him for using the system? I believe > that is unfair. Like you, I have qualified for various > forms of assistance in the past, and it never occurred > to me to request it. I always made my own way. > However, I do not have a problem with someone who > finds themselves on hard times and looks at what is > available to them. That is not the same as someone who > manipulates the system, i.e. applying for a job with > no intention of accepting it, just to keep > unemployment benefits coming in. There are plenty of > parasites in society who can be faulted, but I don't > think he qualifies. You are correct, of course, and it was not my intention to do that. Robert is in no way a parasite. My intention was to rebut the easy and sanctimonious attitude toward accepting the use of tax revenue for a politician's concept of charity (social engineering). Unfortunately, I did not properly sanitize my post to insulate Robert from the colateral effect. He took it personally and, upon reflection, I don't blame him for doing so. Probably a result of being too focused on the message and not the context in which it would be perceived. The worst of it is, I probably lost an opportunity to be more persuasive by seeming heartless and brutal. Even aphorists have off days. :) Thanks for the good counsel and not being presumptuous about my intent, Todd. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 10 12:55:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web515.mail.yahoo.com (web515.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.230]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f0AHtNh13319 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 12:55:23 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20010110175521.16310.qmail@web515.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.219.157.35] by web515.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 09:55:21 PST Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 09:55:21 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: State Farm To: jitabashi@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- jitabashi@XXXXXX wrote: > > Yes, State Farm does have great MC pricing but you have > to switch your car over > too. incorrect. you must find a better agent, my friend. as onur indicated, the sumpters are good people! i got insurance from state farm on a '94 zx-11 back in 1997 without switching my truck over. i had a policy still in effect for 6 months or so, and had assured them that i would switch when it expired (which i did), but i don't think the issue would have come up had i renewed the truck with progressive (not a chance!). > Their car rates are not to bad either but you HAVE > to have a clean driving record. incorrect again! i used to be famous at the mva; now there is just a small amount of name recognition. seriously though, i had 2-3 tickets when i initially came on board with state farm. i tend to maintain those numbers year to year. i blame that on bad luck! it's all in the agent .... call the sumpters if you're a maryland resident -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 10 13:00:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: from bpexchange.dcscorp.com (bpexchange.dcscorp.com [204.7.239.11]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0AI0lh13480 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 13:00:48 -0500 (EST) Received: by bpexchange.dcscorp.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 13:01:58 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Smith, Steven" To: "'Randy Moran '" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Crash's Personal Responsibility Thread Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 13:01:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain -----Original Message----- From: Randy Moran To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'; Smith, Steven Sent: 1/10/01 10:11 AM Subject: Crash's Personal Responsibility Thread Mr. Smith, I've read a lot of things on the Internet, and a lot of things on this list. Numerous pissing contests and the occasional Dick E. Yanker missive. I don't guess that any of them have been as rude or as mean as this one of yours. You stopped short of calling Robert's father a bum but not so short that we didn't know what you meant. You also seemed to imply that Robert's own achievements are tainted since he was a member of a family that accepted government assistance. Unbelievable. Your description of your family's privation is convincing; also unfortunate in that the things you suffered seem to have left you bitter and without manners. Can it be true that you have never been the beneficiary of charity or goodwill of any kind? I certainly don't mean to disparage your politics. I tend to conservatism as well and I feel that "cradle-to-grave" social engineering is a recipe for disaster. Nor do I like taxes as a rule, though I too spent many years in the Army and, like you, was the happy recipient of a little of that revenue, both while I was in and after in the form of the GI Bill. However I do feel that it's important that we remember our basic humanity and that we not let the adversities in our lives give us the impression that, having survived them, we have the right to lord ourselves over others as a shining example of the frontier ethic. Mr. Moran, Let's see, I'm rude, mean, bitter, inhuman, conservative, and suffer from delusions. And you postulated all this from the reading of one post? I'm impressed. Can't wait to open the digest. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 10 13:03:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: from wbln0014.worldbank.org (wbln0014.worldbank.org [138.220.29.7]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0AI3Qh13493 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 13:03:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from WBLN0014.worldbank.org (wbln0014.worldbank.org) by wbln0014.worldbank.org (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.1.5) with ESMTP id for ; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 13:03:14 -0500 Subject: Re: State Farm To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.4 June 8, 2000 Message-ID: From: jitabashi@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 13:03:13 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on WBLN0014/Facility/World Bank(Release 5.0.5 |September 22, 2000) at 01/10/2001 01:03:14 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Really, I will have to call your boys then thanks for the info. James Itabashi The World Bank Group Site 8 SMS Administrator ISGGC - ISGITC 202-458-1697 x.81697 I2-165D jitabashi@XXXXXX Tom Gimer cc: Subject: Re: State Farm 01/10/2001 12:55 PM --- jitabashi@XXXXXX wrote: > > Yes, State Farm does have great MC pricing but you have > to switch your car over > too. incorrect. you must find a better agent, my friend. as onur indicated, the sumpters are good people! i got insurance from state farm on a '94 zx-11 back in 1997 without switching my truck over. i had a policy still in effect for 6 months or so, and had assured them that i would switch when it expired (which i did), but i don't think the issue would have come up had i renewed the truck with progressive (not a chance!). > Their car rates are not to bad either but you HAVE > to have a clean driving record. incorrect again! i used to be famous at the mva; now there is just a small amount of name recognition. seriously though, i had 2-3 tickets when i initially came on board with state farm. i tend to maintain those numbers year to year. i blame that on bad luck! it's all in the agent .... call the sumpters if you're a maryland resident -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 10 13:21:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: from lycanthrope.crosslink.net (lycanthrope.crosslink.net [206.246.124.36]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0AILEh13831 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 13:21:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from lhs149teacher ([209.147.77.18]) by lycanthrope.crosslink.net (8.9.3/) with SMTP id NAA31118 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 13:21:11 -0500 X-Really-To: Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 13:22:58 -0500 Message-ID: <01C07B08.7309F0C0.dthompso1@erols.com> From: Danny Thompson Reply-To: "dthompso1@XXXXXX" To: "Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: Thur Ride was: RE: Crash's Personal Responsibility Thread Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 13:22:57 -0500 Organization: Technology Education X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 Encoding: 35 TEXT And this thread (subject) has what to do with motorcycles? I am thinking of taking a late afternoon / early evening (~ 2:30) ride into & around Culpeper County tomorrow (Thur). If anyone is interested please contact me and we can arrange meeting place and time. Danny #903 Novice (WERA, CCS) '98 VTR '00 SV (For SALE) www.onewayracing.org Proudly Sponsored by: Blalock Cycle www.blalockcycle.com, Shen Valley Trailers www.shenvalleywarrenton.com On Wednesday, January 10, 2001 1:02 PM, Smith, Steven [SMTP:ssmith@XXXXXX] wrote: > -----Original Message----- > From: Randy Moran > To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'; Smith, Steven > Sent: 1/10/01 10:11 AM > Subject: Crash's Personal Responsibility Thread > > Mr. Smith, > > I've read a lot of things on the Internet, and a lot of things on this list. > Numerous pissing contests and the occasional Dick E. Yanker missive. I > don't snip...... > > Mr. Moran, > > Let's see, I'm rude, mean, bitter, inhuman, conservative, and suffer from snip..... From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 10 14:07:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: from pmesmtp01.wcom.com (pmesmtp01.wcom.com [199.249.20.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0AJ6xh14475 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 14:06:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42256) id <0G6Y00H01NJ15N@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 19:01:49 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp03.wcomnet.com ([166.38.58.143]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42256) with ESMTP id <0G6Y00G8LNJ18L@XXXXXX>; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 19:01:49 +0000 (GMT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by dgismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) id <0G6Y00F01NJ0X0@XXXXXX>; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 19:01:49 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp03.wcomnet.com by dgismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with SMTP id <0G6Y00F01NIZWO@XXXXXX>; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 19:01:48 +0000 (GMT) Received: from chan3544t ([166.36.153.47]) by dgismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with SMTP id <0G6Y00BM4NIJIT@XXXXXX>; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 19:01:32 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 14:01:25 -0500 From: Robert Verde Subject: RE: Thur Ride was: RE: Crash's Personal Responsibility Thread - Philadelphia? In-reply-to: <01C07B08.7309F0C0.dthompso1@erols.com> To: dthompso1@XXXXXX, "'Dc-Cycles (E-mail)'" Reply-to: c-Robert.Verde@XXXXXX Message-id: <002801c07b37$bb9229f0$2f9924a6@wcomnet.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Dunno about tomorrow, but is anyone planning to ride to Philadelphia for the bike show Saturday? "Mostly sunny, high of 48", according to the Weather Channel. Meet at Fast Lane Cycles (or somewhere more central, I'm coming from Manassas) around 9AM, head North-east for two hours? What have you got to lose, except all feeling in your extremities... Robert -----Original Message----- From: Danny Thompson [mailto:dthompso1@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2001 1:23 PM To: Dc-Cycles (E-mail) Subject: Thur Ride was: RE: Crash's Personal Responsibility Thread And this thread (subject) has what to do with motorcycles? I am thinking of taking a late afternoon / early evening (~ 2:30) ride into & around Culpeper County tomorrow (Thur). If anyone is interested please contact me and we can arrange meeting place and time. Danny #903 Novice (WERA, CCS) '98 VTR '00 SV (For SALE) www.onewayracing.org Proudly Sponsored by: Blalock Cycle www.blalockcycle.com, Shen Valley Trailers www.shenvalleywarrenton.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 10 14:37:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: from dgesmtp02.wcom.com (dgesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.16.17]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0AJbKh14955 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 14:37:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42261) id <0G6Y00L01P5UN3@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 19:37:06 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp03.wcomnet.com ([166.38.62.38]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42261) with ESMTP id <0G6Y00L1JP5UJV@XXXXXX>; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 19:37:06 +0000 (GMT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by pmismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) id <0G6Y00C01P5LK1@XXXXXX>; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 19:36:57 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp03.wcomnet.com by pmismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with SMTP id <0G6Y00A01OZ4IN@XXXXXX>; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 19:36:54 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.226]) by pmismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with ESMTP id <0G6Y008JEOZ20C@XXXXXX>; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 19:33:02 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 14:33:04 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Thur Ride was: RE: Crash's Personal Responsibility Thread -Philadelphia? To: c-Robert.Verde@XXXXXX Cc: dthompso1@XXXXXX, "'Dc-Cycles (E-mail)'" Message-id: <3A5CB8F0.FE5FE051@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <002801c07b37$bb9229f0$2f9924a6@wcomnet.com> Robert Verde wrote: > > Dunno about tomorrow, but is anyone planning to ride to Philadelphia for the > bike show Saturday? "Mostly sunny, high of 48", according to the Weather > Channel. I was planning on going, but will probably have to bail out. Too many other things I need to do on Saturday. :( Have fun, stay warm. Horkster -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi 1982 Suzuki GS850G 1987 Kawasaki Concours - untitled, un-named, previously un-loved New Member, Concours Rescue Society From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 10 15:14:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (smtp6.mindspring.com [207.69.200.110]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0AKECh15571 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 15:14:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va21-11.ix.netcom.com [207.223.181.75]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA12785; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 15:14:04 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3A5CC2C5.BFBD5095@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 15:15:01 -0500 From: Chuck Pena Reply-To: the_penas@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dsnyder@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Virginia Inspections References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dan, The simple answer is "yes" and "no". It's "yes" because there's nothing illegal per se about converting brake lights to brake/turn signals. However, it's "no" because TECHNICALLY to pass inspection if you have rear turn signals they're supposed to be a minimum distance apart (I think it's something like 9" or more). A shop can fail you for having "non-compliant" turn signals. Will they? Probably not. Could a cop cite you for it? Sure. But he/she probably wouldn't pull you over just for that; they'd probably add it to whatever else they pulled you over for in the first place. FYI, turn signals are not mandatory in Virginia. A m/c can pass inspection without front or rear turn signals. Hope this helps answer your question. FWIW, I know Denny at Crossroads Cycles has passed m/c's with rear turn signals that are less than the minimum distance requirement. I've been there when he's done it. And he's even gone out of his way to tell the owner about it. And I don't know anything about requirements to have the license plate illuminated. Chuck '93 GSX-R750 w/DOT approved and VA legal turn signals %^) dsnyder@XXXXXX wrote: > > Hey, > Anyone know if converting the brake lights to brake/turn signals is > legal in Virginia? I need to get the ride inspected soon. > My license plate was also relocated back directly on top of the real > wheel and is not illuminated. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 10 15:48:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web11006.mail.yahoo.com (web11006.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.56]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f0AKmKh16152 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 15:48:21 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20010110204818.6218.qmail@web11006.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [205.230.55.8] by web11006.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 12:48:18 PST Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 12:48:18 -0800 (PST) From: Trey Herb Subject: Extra Screw??Please To: DC-Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii anybody got an extra rack locking screw for a ventura rack system. The one that secures the rack to the L brackets. Trey __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 10 16:08:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web10508.mail.yahoo.com (web10508.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.158]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f0AL89h16466 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 16:08:09 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20010110210807.12853.qmail@web10508.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.247.89.50] by web10508.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 13:08:07 PST Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 13:08:07 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: Virginia Inspections To: the_penas@XXXXXX, dsnyder@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > And I don't know anything about requirements to have > the license plate > illuminated. > > The license plate must be illuminated by white light. http://www.vsp.state.va.us/bfosafe.html Check this link for what gets inspected. When I installed my flush mount turn signals, I cut the bottom out of my brake light assembly and replaced it with clear lexan. It streamlined everything and still complies with the law. At least the tag part, dunno about the distance between turn signals part. I have not seen anything pertaining to that in the Va. Code. Todd W. ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 11 08:29:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0BDTrh02532 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 08:29:54 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 08:29:46 -0500 Message-Id: <200101110829.AA18612654@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: "List-dc cycles" Subject: Legalizing health ins. discrimination X-Mailer: According to these, Federal agencies are using policy to trump laws banning health insurance discrimination against people involved in legal activities, including motorcycling. Time to get those letters and emails going. http://www.ama-cycle.com/ then "New federal rules legalize insurance discrimination" (http://www.amadirectlink.com/legisltn/releases/g01001.html) -or- http://www.americanmotor.com/news.cfm?newsid=1539 From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 11 08:34:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f18.pav1.hotmail.com [64.4.31.18]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0BDYUh02617 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 08:34:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 05:34:18 -0800 Received: from 151.200.109.94 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 13:34:18 GMT X-Originating-IP: [151.200.109.94] From: "Todd Peer" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Sargent/Russell/Corbin Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 08:34:18 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jan 2001 13:34:18.0868 (UTC) FILETIME=[32E6DB40:01C07BD3] Catching up on email. How much did you pay for your saddle Dale? I subscribe to the LDRIDER digest but rarely read it (more drivel there than here, if you can believe that!), so I may have missed this news. I was always under the impression that Russell Day Longs were upwards of $300-600. Anyway, comparatively (Corbin vs. Sargent) speaking, you (Matt) will get more value from a Sargent Saddle than from Corbin, IMNSHO. I've owned both. I like the look of both. I like Sargent customer service way more than Corbin. Corbin screwed up my order on a standard "Gunslinger" style saddle (no special requests. This is a saddle they make EVERY day) and then wanted me to eat shipping and repair on THEIR mistake. Ultimately, I got the saddle fixed at their expense but from then on decided not to do business with them anymore. Also, the padding in the Corbin was/is hard. I was told it would soften in time, but it never did (after 35,000 miles). It was better than stock on a long day though. Sargent on the other hand built a saddle for me exactly how I asked them to and turned it around within 1.5 weeks in early spring. Prior to doing all the work, they were very helpful on the telephone. I too have heard very good things about Russell saddles. If they have come down in price like Dale says, it may be worth your time to check them out as well. Todd --------------------------------------------------- From: Dale Horstman Matthew Rosenstock wrote: > >Corbin has a seat for $400.00 which I'm not really >willing to spend as I may sell the bike this year or >next and upgrade. Sargent will redo my existing seat >for about $275. Matt, Do your butt a favor. Get a spare seat for your bike (condition unimportant) and send it off to Russell. They will make a seat for you on the seat pan you send them. Cost will be about what Sargent will charge, but you will be able to stay in the saddle ALL DAY LONG. Trust me on this. LDriders are big fans of Russell seats. I've got one on my Concours, and love it.... http://www.day-long.com/ -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 11 08:57:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: from shared1-mail.whowhere.com (shared1-qin.whowhere.com [209.185.123.111]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f0BDvUh03033 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 08:57:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from Unknown/Local ([?.?.?.?]) by theglobe.com; Thu Jan 11 05:56:56 2001 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 05:56:56 -0800 From: "Matthew Patton" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off Reply-To: pattonme@XXXXXX X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: Need source for zippers X-Sender-Ip: 209.117.173.15 Organization: E-Mail @ theglobe.com (http://www.globe-mail.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does anyone know of a good place to get YBS brand zippers and MC jacket material or something similar? I need to design a zippered insert for my MC jacket since my body shape doesn't correspond to the garment designer's profiles (hips are too big, especially with my hip pads in place). My new JR ballistic jacket is fabulous (the Bulldog leather is getting traded in) but fits correctly from about mid-tummy on up. What I'm going to do is put in a triangular shape piece that you zips into the existing zippers to provide the extra 'girth' down low. theglobe.com Your friendly full-service integrated online community. http://www.theglobe.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 11 09:03:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0BE3kh03132 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 09:03:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-86.patriot.net [209.249.180.86]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f0BE3c418420; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 09:03:38 -0500 Message-ID: <3A5DBC1D.3899A28@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 08:58:54 -0500 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Todd Peer CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Sargent/Russell/Corbin References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dittos on hearing good things about Russell saddles for those butt-burner days. But I have a Corbin. After one round trip to Baton Rouge the stock saddle was history. The Corbin is rather stiff but perfect for my long days which might go 600 miles, but I can't vouh for Corbin perfection. The damn saddle was *supposed* to be made for the specific model bike I had. It didn't fit right with teh factory installed stock grab bar. Corbin guy sez, no problemo, we have a grab bar that does fit - $169. WHAT! Well, dude, I sure hope it fits up your ass - shove it! A few minutes with a BFH (Big F-----g Hammer) and my bench vice and I managed to tweak the stock bar so the seat would fit. Considering the cost of the Corbin, I wasn't impressed. But my ass sure likes it. Bill Todd Peer wrote: > Catching up on email. How much did you pay for your saddle Dale? I > subscribe to the LDRIDER digest but rarely read it (more drivel there than > here, if you can believe that!), so I may have missed this news. I was > always under the impression that Russell Day Longs were upwards of $300-600. > > Anyway, comparatively (Corbin vs. Sargent) speaking, you (Matt) will get > more value from a Sargent Saddle than from Corbin, IMNSHO. I've owned both. > I like the look of both. I like Sargent customer service way more than > Corbin. Corbin screwed up my order on a standard "Gunslinger" style saddle > (no special requests. This is a saddle they make EVERY day) and then wanted > me to eat shipping and repair on THEIR mistake. > > Ultimately, I got the saddle fixed at their expense but from then on decided > not to do business with them anymore. Also, the padding in the Corbin > was/is hard. I was told it would soften in time, but it never did (after > 35,000 miles). It was better than stock on a long day though. > > Sargent on the other hand built a saddle for me exactly how I asked them to > and turned it around within 1.5 weeks in early spring. Prior to doing all > the work, they were very helpful on the telephone. > > I too have heard very good things about Russell saddles. If they have come > down in price like Dale says, it may be worth your time to check them out as > well. > > Todd > > --------------------------------------------------- > From: Dale Horstman > Matthew Rosenstock wrote: > > > >Corbin has a seat for $400.00 which I'm not really > >willing to spend as I may sell the bike this year or > >next and upgrade. Sargent will redo my existing seat > >for about $275. > > Matt, > > Do your butt a favor. Get a spare seat for your bike > (condition unimportant) and send it off to Russell. They > will make a seat for you on the seat pan you send them. > Cost will be about what Sargent will charge, but you > will be able to stay in the saddle ALL DAY LONG. > > Trust me on this. LDriders are big fans of Russell seats. > I've got one on my Concours, and love it.... > > http://www.day-long.com/ > > -- > Dale Horstman (the Horkster) > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 11 09:08:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web312.mail.yahoo.com (web312.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.77]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f0BE8uh03211 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 09:08:57 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20010111140850.21056.qmail@web312.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [198.26.132.101] by web312.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 06:08:50 PST Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 06:08:50 -0800 (PST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: Legalizing health ins. discrimination To: cnorloff@XXXXXX, List-dc cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Chris Norloff wrote: > According to these, Federal agencies are using policy to trump laws banning > health insurance discrimination against people involved in legal activities, > including motorcycling. > > Time to get those letters and emails going. I went to the IRS site to take a look at the actual wording of things. Here's the crust of it: http://ftp.fedworld.gov/pub/irs-regs/td8931.pdf "Another example illustrates that a plan can nonetheless exclude benefits for injuries because they were substained in connection with various recreational activities if the accident did not result from any medical condition (or from domestic violence)" (pg 14-15) The entire document is 161 pages long, so I haven't been able to read for more information. (have to do SOME work today...) Still, that section above is scary... "various recreational activities..." That can cover a lot of ground besides motorcycling. If anyone has a chance to read into the document(s) further and can find other examples of this type of language, please let me know. I'd like to be able to point to specific things in my letters. Louis __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 11 09:18:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: from shared1-mail.whowhere.com (shared1-qin.whowhere.com [209.185.123.111]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f0BEIOh03375 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 09:18:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from Unknown/Local ([?.?.?.?]) by theglobe.com; Thu Jan 11 06:17:57 2001 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 06:17:57 -0800 From: "Matthew Patton" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off Reply-To: pattonme@XXXXXX X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: Re: Legalizing health ins. discrimination X-Sender-Ip: 209.117.173.15 Organization: E-Mail @ theglobe.com (http://www.globe-mail.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have to ask. What do you MC racers do for medical? Does your employer's policy cover that too? Or do you have to get a whole new policy, or a rider attached to the company provided benefit since it could be argued you were deliberately participating in certifiably "dangerous" activities. Heck, what about track days and riding schools. I can see this having all sorts of nefarious side-effects. theglobe.com Your friendly full-service integrated online community. http://www.theglobe.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 11 09:23:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: from shared1-mail.whowhere.com (shared1-qin.whowhere.com [209.185.123.111]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f0BEMth03456 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 09:22:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from Unknown/Local ([?.?.?.?]) by theglobe.com; Thu Jan 11 06:22:29 2001 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 06:22:29 -0800 From: "Matthew Patton" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off Reply-To: pattonme@XXXXXX X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: Re: Legalizing health ins. discrimination X-Sender-Ip: 209.117.173.15 Organization: E-Mail @ theglobe.com (http://www.globe-mail.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit yeah. So I try to be environment friendly and ride my bicyle to work. Oh no, no medical. What a bunch of fsking blow-hards. Are we all supposed to own cages? What next? If you drive a Civic you get a rate hike because you won't stand near a good a chance of survival if hit by a truck or SUV compared to driving an SUV? Heaven forbid I train to run a marathon. Might break my foot or something. Might get hit by a car. Or am I only allowed to run on designated running trails and have a policeman at every spot where one could conceivably cross a road? What ninnies!!! theglobe.com Your friendly full-service integrated online community. http://www.theglobe.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 11 09:36:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail.his.com (root@XXXXXX [209.67.207.13]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0BEZxh03678 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 09:35:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from harris (max2h-158.his.com [216.32.85.158]) by mail.his.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA07715 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 09:35:54 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.20010111093649.0145fcf4@his.com> X-Sender: harris@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 09:36:53 -0800 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Stephen Harris Subject: Health Ins & Racing Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" We do not require students that take the MARRC RRS to have medical insurance (or disability insurance, arguably more important) but strongly recommend that you have not only good health insurance (one that provides for long term custodial car) but also life and disability insurance commensurate with your needs. When I was between employers some years ago, I bought my own policy to cover me while racing. All you have to do is call the plan coordinator to make sure they cover injuries arising out of club racing. I followed it up in writing to make sure I would be covered. Now I have Kaiser thru my job. They cover club racing mistakes (they fully covered my injuries from my '94 MARRC Crash Of The Year award winning highside in turn three) but if I was "professional" they would not. They define "professional" as not having a day job, all my income coming from racing. Call your plan, follow it up in writing. Don't race if you are not covered. Harris At 06:17 AM 1/11/01 -0800, Matthew Patton wrote: >I have to ask. What do you MC racers do for medical? Does your employer's policy cover that too? Or do you have to get a whole new policy, or a rider attached to the company provided benefit since it could be argued you were deliberately participating in certifiably "dangerous" activities. > >Heck, what about track days and riding schools. I can see this having all sorts of nefarious side-effects. > > >theglobe.com > Your friendly full-service integrated online community. > http://www.theglobe.com > > Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 11 09:40:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0BEeKh03701 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 09:40:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-40-24.s24.tnt1.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.40.24] helo=palladio) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14GitI-0001sl-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 09:39:49 -0500 Message-ID: <003701c07bdc$5e1c2be0$0100a8c0@mshome.net> From: "Paul Wilson" To: References: <200101110829.AA18612654@mail.toward.com> Subject: Re: Legalizing health ins. discrimination Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 09:39:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Excerpt from AMA press release: "The new regulations at first state that an employer cannot refuse health-care coverage to an employee on the basis of participation in recreational activities. But they go on to say that health-care benefits can be denied for injuries sustained in connection with those recreational activities. 'To say that an employer can't deny health-care coverage to motorcyclists, but can deny coverage of any injury related to motorcycling makes this entire law meaningless,' said Ed Moreland, the AMA's vice president of government relations. 'Instead of creating a law specifically ending health-care discrimination, as Congress intended, these agencies have legalized discrimination.' 'These rules open the door to the elimination of health coverage for all types of legal recreational activities, from motorcycle riding to running or walking. That's the exact opposite of what Congress had in mind.'" Paul's comment-- Sounds like an insurance company's dream come true: offering coverage and accepting premium for same but never having to pay out. What's next: you have a heart attack and they find out you once ate a large size order of French fries, sorry no coverage. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Norloff" > According to these, Federal agencies are using policy to trump laws banning health insurance discrimination against people involved in legal activities, including motorcycling. > > Time to get those letters and emails going. > > http://www.ama-cycle.com/ > then "New federal rules legalize insurance discrimination" > (http://www.amadirectlink.com/legisltn/releases/g01001.html) > > -or- > > http://www.americanmotor.com/news.cfm?newsid=1539 From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 11 09:42:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0BEgLh03803 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 09:42:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-86.patriot.net [209.249.180.86]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f0BEgC424423; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 09:42:13 -0500 Message-ID: <3A5DC525.3A93F596@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 09:37:25 -0500 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pattonme@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Legalizing health ins. discrimination References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Don't know squat about bike racing med, but as official form filler outter for the boat racing club, I'm a pro at that. The club pays ~$1200/2-day weekend for liability, like property and spectator damage i.e. some spectator gets driunk and falls in the crick and drowns, whatever. And we pay $625 for "participant" insurance. That includes racers, pit crews, officials etc. It's "secondary" insurance, presumably covers what your main heath plan doesn't. I was carrying State Farm health when me'n my boy got fast and dangerous and never had a problem with SF not paying the ER tab. Reason for injury - boating mishap (Mofugger cut me off in turn one and I shithoused!) Of course I did have my normal boat insured with SF also, and my agent clued me in on how to protect my trailer and race boats should the trailer catch fire or have a tree fall on it. "Hook it up to your tow vehicle," he said, then it's covered under my vehicle comprehensive - also SF. Bill Matthew Patton wrote: > I have to ask. What do you MC racers do for medical? Does your employer's policy cover that too? Or do you have to get a whole new policy, or a rider attached to the company provided benefit since it could be argued you were deliberately participating in certifiably "dangerous" activities. > > Heck, what about track days and riding schools. I can see this having all sorts of nefarious side-effects. > > theglobe.com > Your friendly full-service integrated online community. > http://www.theglobe.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 11 09:48:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f122.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.15.122]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0BEmph03882 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 09:48:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 06:48:30 -0800 Received: from 166.32.192.143 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 14:48:30 GMT X-Originating-IP: [166.32.192.143] From: "Rob Keiser" To: pattonme@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Need source for zippers Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 09:48:30 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jan 2001 14:48:30.0396 (UTC) FILETIME=[90381FC0:01C07BDD] You might try Bedo's Leatherworks in Falls Church. They did a nice job repairing a leather jacket for me not too long ago. Just a thought. http://www.leatherrepair.com/ No affiliation. YMMV. yadda yadda yadda Rob '98 VFR800 >From: "Matthew Patton" >Reply-To: pattonme@XXXXXX >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Need source for zippers >Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 05:56:56 -0800 > >Does anyone know of a good place to get YBS brand zippers and MC jacket >material or something similar? I need to design a zippered insert for my MC >jacket since my body shape doesn't correspond to the garment designer's >profiles (hips are too big, especially with my hip pads in place). > >My new JR ballistic jacket is fabulous (the Bulldog leather is getting >traded in) but fits correctly from about mid-tummy on up. What I'm going to >do is put in a triangular shape piece that you zips into the existing >zippers to provide the extra 'girth' down low. > > >theglobe.com > Your friendly full-service integrated online community. > http://www.theglobe.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 11 09:48:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail.his.com (root@XXXXXX [209.67.207.13]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0BEmsh03885 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 09:48:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from harris (max2h-158.his.com [216.32.85.158]) by mail.his.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA14715 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 09:48:51 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.20010111094947.014608d4@his.com> X-Sender: harris@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 09:49:50 -0800 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Stephen Harris Subject: Re: Health Ins & Racing Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Oh, and in 1991 dollars I spent $127 per month for my own coverage for racing. The policy had a 5k deductible, but a 1 million cap limit cap with long term custorial care. I have no idea what they cost now, but it is less than a set of tires, so make sure you are covered, no excuses. Harris Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 11 09:55:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: from funhouse.gsfc.nasa.gov (funhouse.gsfc.nasa.gov [128.183.254.140]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0BEtNh03984 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 09:55:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from sunset (sunset.gsfc.nasa.gov [128.183.221.159]) by funhouse.gsfc.nasa.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA01009; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 09:55:19 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <007201c07bdf$4ecaa240$9fddb780@gsfc.nasa.gov> Reply-To: "Bob Rapp" From: "Bob Rapp" To: "DC Cycles" , References: Subject: Re: Legalizing health ins. discrimination Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 10:00:59 -0500 Organization: tHC MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Speaking from personal learning experience just last year.... Health insurance is not supposed to cover any injury involving a motor vehicle; apparently this is illegal (in MD anyway). The coverage is provided by auto insurance. In my case, the underinsured portion of my policy because I was not at fault. And I was riding a bicycle to work. Health insurance paid for bills upfront, but I had to reimburse them from the settlement. My attorney strongly urged me to increase my underinsured coverage to a million or more. I highly recommend that as a minimum if you spend a good amount of time being exposed to traffic (ie: riding something). Regards, Bob Rapp '97 VFR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthew Patton" To: Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2001 9:22 AM Subject: Re: Legalizing health ins. discrimination > yeah. So I try to be environment friendly and ride my bicyle to work. Oh no, no medical. What a bunch of fsking blow-hards. Are we all supposed to own cages? What next? If you drive a Civic you get a rate hike because you won't stand near a good a chance of survival if hit by a truck or SUV compared to driving an SUV? > > Heaven forbid I train to run a marathon. Might break my foot or something. Might get hit by a car. Or am I only allowed to run on designated running trails and have a policeman at every spot where one could conceivably cross a road? What ninnies!!! > > > theglobe.com > Your friendly full-service integrated online community. > http://www.theglobe.com > From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 11 09:59:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: from vitalspring.com (vitalspring.com [64.14.121.100]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0BExSh04081 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 09:59:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from chris (server.valumed.com [207.197.137.66]) by vitalspring.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA17905 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 09:53:00 -0500 (EST) From: "Christopher Weaver" To: Subject: AFK Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 10:01:31 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Just a quick note: I'm going to be unavailable by my regular email address for a week or two. If you need to reach me via email, please use chris_vtr@XXXXXX. Thanks, Chris Weaver www.dccycles.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 11 09:59:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail.his.com (root@XXXXXX [209.67.207.13]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0BExWh04083 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 09:59:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from harris (max2h-158.his.com [216.32.85.158]) by mail.his.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA20714; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 09:59:22 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.20010111100016.01466b04@his.com> X-Sender: harris@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 10:00:20 -0800 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Stephen Harris Subject: Health Ins & Racing Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Some bike racing sanctioning bodies (CCS, WERA) carry a secondary policy like the one you mentiond below. Unfortunally its per person limit of liability is about 10k or so. Take a Helo ride out, the billing starts at $5k. Ambulance ride to Winchester are $750. Don't race if you are not covered. S At 09:37 AM 1/11/01 -0500, Bill Huson wrote: >Don't know squat about bike racing med, but as official form filler outter for the boat racing club, I'm a pro at that. The club pays ~$1200/2-day weekend Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 11 10:00:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mailbox.office.aol.com (x98A3A33C.pix.aol.com [152.163.163.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0BF0lh04178 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 10:00:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from nawt.office.aol.com (nawt.office.aol.com [10.2.165.104]) by mailbox.office.aol.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA29859 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 10:00:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (cerberus@localhost) by nawt.office.aol.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f0BF3sQ27970 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 10:03:54 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: nawt.office.aol.com: cerberus owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 10:03:54 -0500 (EST) From: Dave Paper X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: Need source for zippers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 11 Jan 2001, Rob Keiser wrote: > You might try Bedo's Leatherworks in Falls Church. They did a nice job > repairing a leather jacket for me not too long ago. Just a thought. > > http://www.leatherrepair.com/ 703.534.3233 I'll second that recommendation. > > No affiliation. YMMV. yadda yadda yadda Ditto. They did a great job on a non-bike leather jacket of mine. -dave -- Dave Paper AOL Search Operations cerberus@XXXXXX MCSE = Must Consult Someone Experienced --Jay It's no coincidence that people who blindly rely on computers and drugs are both called "users". --Unknown From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 11 10:14:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: from lycanthrope.crosslink.net (lycanthrope.crosslink.net [206.246.124.36]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0BFDsh04398 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 10:13:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from lhs149teacher ([209.147.77.15]) by lycanthrope.crosslink.net (8.9.3/) with SMTP id KAA01147 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 10:13:50 -0500 X-Really-To: Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 10:15:39 -0500 Message-ID: <01C07BB7.729BD220.dthompso1@erols.com> From: Danny Thompson Reply-To: "dthompso1@XXXXXX" To: "Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: RE: Legalizing health ins. discrimination Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 10:15:38 -0500 Organization: Technology Education X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 Encoding: 27 TEXT My HMO (through my employer) covers me, even if I am racing. I had to call and specifically ask to make sure. Danny #903 Novice (WERA, CCS) '98 VTR '00 SV (For SALE) www.onewayracing.org Proudly Sponsored by: Blalock Cycle www.blalockcycle.com, Shen Valley Trailers www.shenvalleywarrenton.com On Thursday, January 11, 2001 9:18 AM, Matthew Patton [SMTP:pattonme@XXXXXX] wrote: > I have to ask. What do you MC racers do for medical? Does your employer's > policy cover that too? Or do you have to get a whole new policy, or a rider > attached to the company provided benefit since it could be argued you were > deliberately participating in certifiably "dangerous" activities. > > Heck, what about track days and riding schools. I can see this having all > sorts of nefarious side-effects. > > > theglobe.com > Your friendly full-service integrated online community. > http://www.theglobe.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 11 10:15:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail.his.com (root@XXXXXX [209.67.207.13]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0BFFOh04500 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 10:15:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from harris (max2h-158.his.com [216.32.85.158]) by mail.his.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA00112 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 10:15:03 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.20010111101559.0145a9fc@his.com> X-Sender: harris@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 10:16:02 -0800 To: "DC Cycles" From: Stephen Harris Subject: Re: Legalizing health ins. discrimination Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:00 AM 1/11/01 -0500, Bob Rapp wrote: >Speaking from personal learning experience just last year.... Health >insurance is not supposed to cover any injury involving a motor vehicle; Racing is a excluded activity under all personal lines auto or motorcycle policies. While as a bicyclist or pedestrian you can collect from a negligent 3rd party, or your own UM policy, no auto underwriter is going to touch you if the event involves racing. What you are refering to is your health ins provider subrogated your rights of recovery to the responsible 3rd party. In your case, it sounds like the responsible 3rd party could not be identified, or did not have liability insurance, therefore your UM policy kicked in. Your atty is quite right to bemoan low limit policies. Your UM & liability limits should be at least 500k. Thats what I carry, plus 50k PD libitity in MD. When I lived in VA I also carried 100k med pay. It was so cheap (like $20 a year) and gave a lot of coverage to whomever was in my car without regaurd to liability. Except bikes, it cost way more, as it should, for med pay on bikes. Harris (who happens to work in the insurance biz and is bored today) Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 11 10:16:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0BFG9h04518 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 10:16:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-86.patriot.net [209.249.180.86]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f0BFG5430232 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 10:16:05 -0500 Message-ID: <3A5DCD18.A1BEAFAE@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 10:11:20 -0500 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Weak Battery Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My Sears Die Hard died... Poor thang, 3 years of service and much abuse too it's toll. For the past year the battery, topped off as good as it was gonna get on a tender, wouldn't start my dern bike unless the ambient temprature was like 45. Call me stupid but I had a xmas gift to swap so I got a genuine (made in japan?) H-D sealed battery. Now I'd be really pissed if it didn't improve things, but it did - spun that chilled engine over like a champ! VAARROOOMMM!!! Not having all that fancy electric vest crap or even what could be called cold weather gear, I reckon I'll be testing *skrinkage* today. OooH! Where'd it go? Just look for the Harley that doesn't quite look like a Harley - scuzzy dirty, quiet pipes, and what's with the full face helmet? Hey, keeps me warm, holds down wind noise. New batterys kick ass! Bill From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 11 10:52:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: from merctech.com (brickhouse1.iad1.sitesmith.com [63.94.228.10]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0BFqsh05155 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 10:52:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from biber (bergman@localhost) by merctech.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f0BFqjJ25397 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 10:52:45 -0500 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.2 06/23/2000 with nmh-1.0.4 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: bergman@XXXXXX Reply-To: bergman@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Legalizing health ins. discrimination In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 11 Jan 2001 06:22:29 PST." References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 10:52:45 -0500 Message-ID: <25396.979228365@biber> In your message dated: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 06:22:29 PST, your pithy ruminations on were: => yeah. So I try to be environment friendly and ride my bicyle to work. Oh no, no medical. What a => bunch of fsking blow-hards. Are we all supposed to own cages? What next? If you drive a Civic yo => u get a rate hike because you won't stand near a good a chance of survival if hit by a truck or => SUV compared to driving an SUV? => => Heaven forbid I train to run a marathon. Might break my foot or something. Might get hit by a ca => r. Or am I only allowed to run on designated running trails and have a policeman at every spot w => here one could conceivably cross a road? What ninnies!!! Isn't the reduction in legislated, required insurance and an increased amount of personal responsibility right in line with the political sensibilities of some people on this list? It seems pretty hypocritical to be complaining...if you want insurance that covers your chosen activity, then get it, but don't expect the "big bad bloated government" to guarentee it for you. Oh, did I misunderstand something? :) [Note: The above is an example of satire, not to be taken seriously, and not a representation of my personal beliefs. Well, not _all_ my personal beliefs. Don't bother with the flames, but think about whether what you are asking for here is consistent with your stance on other issues.] Mark -- Mark Bergman Biker, IATSE #1 Stagehand, Rock Climber, Unix mechanic '94 Yamaha GTS1000A bergman@XXXXXX I want a newsgroup with a infinite S/N ratio! Now taking CFV on: rec.motorcycles.stagehands.pet-bird-owners.pinballers.unix-supporters 5+ So Far--Want to join? Check out: http://www.panix.com/~bergman From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 11 11:05:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f166.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.166]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0BG5Jh05398 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 11:05:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 08:05:11 -0800 Received: from 204.71.174.14 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 16:05:11 GMT X-Originating-IP: [204.71.174.14] From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: MC Trailers Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 11:05:11 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jan 2001 16:05:11.0785 (UTC) FILETIME=[46DC5D90:01C07BE8] I am considering the purchase of a motorcycle trailer, and one that has caught my eye is the Triton MCT. Does anyone have any experience with them? The features that I like are the light weight (only 200lb) and the configuration that allows it to carry either one bike centered, or two bikes side by side. I don't know the price yet, but I've got an inquiry working. If anyone knows a local dealer and/or the price that would be appreciated. Perry _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 11 11:19:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: from pmesmtp01.wcom.com (pmesmtp01.wcom.com [199.249.20.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0BGJ5h05568 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 11:19:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42256) id <0G7000I01AB298@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 16:11:26 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp04.wcomnet.com ([166.38.62.39]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42256) with ESMTP id <0G7000H58AB2S6@XXXXXX>; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 16:11:26 +0000 (GMT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by pmismtp04.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) id <0G7000501AB2LS@XXXXXX>; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 16:11:26 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp04.wcomnet.com by pmismtp04.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with SMTP id <0G7000501AB0LJ@XXXXXX>; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 16:11:25 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.226]) by pmismtp04.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with ESMTP id <0G70002F5AAAFV@XXXXXX>; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 16:10:59 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 11:10:59 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Sargent/Russell/Corbin To: Todd Peer Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3A5DDB13.CCB8EBFF@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: Todd Peer wrote: > > Catching up on email. How much did you pay for your saddle Dale? Actually, I did some horse-trading to get my Russell. $100 and a spare Concours seat I had (about another $40 street price) for a used Russell. One of the better deals I've made. :) > I was always under the impression that Russell Day Longs were > upwards of $300-600. They can be, depending upon the stock seat size (like the huge double-decker Goldwing seat) and whether or not you "Russell-ize" both the rider and passenger portions. You also pay extra for all-leather or velour panels A solo (Rider portion) only seat in vinyl, no backrest for an ST1100 (seat size S2) would run $285. For a Concours and most 1-seat-pan sport bikes (seat size S1) it would be $250. Here's the price list: http://www.day-long.com/prices.html -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi 1982 Suzuki GS850G 1987 Kawasaki Concours - untitled, un-named, previously un-loved New Member, Concours Rescue Society From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 11 12:01:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: from lycanthrope.crosslink.net (lycanthrope.crosslink.net [206.246.124.36]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0BH1eh06249 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 12:01:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from lhs149teacher ([209.147.77.46]) by lycanthrope.crosslink.net (8.9.3/) with SMTP id MAA15859 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 12:01:37 -0500 X-Really-To: Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 12:03:26 -0500 Message-ID: <01C07BC6.811D8370.dthompso1@erols.com> From: Danny Thompson Reply-To: "dthompso1@XXXXXX" To: "Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: Thursday afternoon ride Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 12:03:25 -0500 Organization: Technology Education X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 Encoding: 15 TEXT I am meeting anyone who wants to show up and Andrew C. at Sheetz at the corner of Rt. 17 and Rt. 29 in Opal (near the Clark Bros. Guns) at 3:00 today. We are going to take a nice easy ride on some of the back roads in Culpeper Co. No route determined, just explore. Maybe a 100 miles max. All are welcome to join us. Danny #903 Novice (WERA, CCS) '98 VTR '00 SV (For SALE) www.onewayracing.org Proudly Sponsored by: Blalock Cycle www.blalockcycle.com, Shen Valley Trailers www.shenvalleywarrenton.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 11 12:02:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: from shared1-mail.whowhere.com (shared1-qin.whowhere.com [209.185.123.111]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f0BH2Uh06259 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 12:02:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from Unknown/Local ([?.?.?.?]) by theglobe.com; Thu Jan 11 09:02:19 2001 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 09:02:19 -0800 From: "Matthew Patton" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off Reply-To: pattonme@XXXXXX X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: Re: Legalizing health ins. discrimination X-Sender-Ip: 209.117.173.15 Organization: E-Mail @ theglobe.com (http://www.globe-mail.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm not in the least bit against getting extra endorcements if I engage in 'dangerous' activities. These measures aren't guarenteeing gov't coverage at all, either. They are fundamentally changing the rules of the game as far as I see it and doing it for who knows what reason. It's giving insurance companies license to come up with all sorts of loopholes to not pay a claim. Or do these regs ONLY apply to the interim grace period that a person is between jobs and which is what Congress was targetting in their legislation? Now THAT I can understand. But if that's the case they've done a piss poor job of communicating that and/or the AMA is guilty of very misleading statements. Does every policy come with a 100 page set of activities covered and not covered? Not most of them. If I buy medical insurance I damn well expect it to cover my medical needs in whatever circumstances I end up in. I had no earthly clue vehicular activies wouldn't be covered. Was I remiss in not acertaining that in the beginning? Maybe. So I get invited to go on a rafting trip on the Arizona river. Can I go? ahh, got to check my medical insurance first to make sure that's not under the "dangerous" and uncovered activity. Plus it's out of state, so of course it gets applied to your non-HMO/PPO side of the ledger: ie $3000 deductable. I get invited to go on a ski trip out of the blue. It's been years since I've been skiiing. Now what? I have to call my insurance agent on a Sat morning and ask to have that rider added to my policy? I swim around in a motel pool one night while driving across the country. "Oh, swimming is not covered." This is f*cking nuts!! Is applying for insurance now going to take a day long interview and spilling of one's guts and an item by item list of every conceivable activity I might at some point engage in? Give me a break. theglobe.com Your friendly full-service integrated online community. http://www.theglobe.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 11 13:14:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smgt.net (59-90-112-64.user.darwin.net [64.112.90.59] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0BIEOh07390 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 13:14:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from 2g0up [64.44.97.121] by smgt.net (SMTPD32-6.05) id A7CBD00124; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 13:13:31 -0500 From: "Ahalan" To: Subject: RE: Legalizing health ins. discrimination Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 13:12:48 -0800 Message-ID: <000901c07c13$40eef980$3e00000a@darwin.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: I agree there is a problem here. My example was not a health insurance issue but goes to show how insurance companies behave: A few years ago I was riding my DR650 through some forest in W. VA., all alone, fast, on a gravel road. At one point I get a funny feeling about the bike, I stop and find that the backpack I had tied to the rack has come undone and has been dragging behind the bike, probably for a good 4 miles. In it was my camera (w/ zoom lens, flash unit, etc.) and other equipment. I also lost a 2nd helmet that was attached to the back. Overall about $1000 damage/loss. I called my insurance agent (Robin Stoler - Allstate) to activate my renters insurance policy, which covers the contents of my apt., even when I take it with me anywhere. The coverage includes theft, fire, accident, etc. The agent sounded skeptical and said that she doesn't think this would be covered, but if I insist she will have the claims dept. call me to initiate a claim. I did that and got a phone call from a claims agent. He asked me what was lost/destroyed and then asked me what caused the pack to come undone. When I told him I don't know the reason he asked me to speculate. So I tell him it could have been a defective strap, a defective bungee cord, that it got caught in some branches, that I didn't attach it properly, etc. He then says something to the effect of: "since you don't really know, I'll just put one of them down, say a defective strap". I ask him if it makes any difference and he says it doesn't. A few days later I get a letter saying that my claim has been denied. After arguing, making some phone calls, and re-reading my policy, I find that among the *possible* causes I mentioned, the only one that is not covered was the defective equipment one ! Meaning that if I poorly attached my pack to the bike it would have been covered ! I tried to fight it, even through the insurance commission, but to no avail. Switched agents though. Niv BMW F650ST -----Original Message----- From: Matthew Patton [mailto:pattonme@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2001 9:02 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Legalizing health ins. discrimination I'm not in the least bit against getting extra endorcements if I engage in 'dangerous' activities. These measures aren't guarenteeing gov't coverage at all, either. They are fundamentally changing the rules of the game as far as I see it and doing it for who knows what reason. It's giving insurance companies license to come up with all sorts of loopholes to not pay a claim. Or do these regs ONLY apply to the interim grace period that a person is between jobs and which is what Congress was targetting in their legislation? Now THAT I can understand. But if that's the case they've done a piss poor job of communicating that and/or the AMA is guilty of very misleading statements. Does every policy come with a 100 page set of activities covered and not covered? Not most of them. If I buy medical insurance I damn well expect it to cover my medical needs in whatever circumstances I end up in. I had no earthly clue vehicular activies wouldn't be covered. Was I remiss in not acertaining that in the beginning? Maybe. So I get invited to go on a rafting trip on the Arizona river. Can I go? ahh, got to check my medical insurance first to make sure that's not under the "dangerous" and uncovered activity. Plus it's out of state, so of course it gets applied to your non-HMO/PPO side of the ledger: ie $3000 deductable. I get invited to go on a ski trip out of the blue. It's been years since I've been skiiing. Now what? I have to call my insurance agent on a Sat morning and ask to have that rider added to my policy? I swim around in a motel pool one night while driving across the country. "Oh, swimming is not covered." This is f*cking nuts!! Is applying for insurance now going to take a day long interview and spilling of one's guts and an item by item list of every conceivable activity I might at some point engage in? Give me a break. theglobe.com Your friendly full-service integrated online community. http://www.theglobe.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 11 14:53:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net (blount.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.226]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0BJrbh09031 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 14:53:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va25-26.ix.netcom.com [207.223.162.90]) by blount.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA00028; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 14:53:29 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3A5E0F78.B9885411@ix.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 14:54:32 -0500 From: Chuck Pena Reply-To: the_penas@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "dthompso1@XXXXXX" CC: "Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: Re: Thursday afternoon ride References: <01C07BC6.811D8370.dthompso1@erols.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Three words: I HATE YOU! %^) Chuck Danny Thompson wrote: > > I am meeting anyone who wants to show up and Andrew C. at Sheetz at the corner > of Rt. 17 and Rt. 29 in Opal (near the Clark Bros. Guns) at 3:00 today. We are > going to take a nice easy ride on some of the back roads in Culpeper Co. No > route determined, just explore. Maybe a 100 miles max. > All are welcome to join us. > > Danny > #903 Novice (WERA, CCS) > '98 VTR > '00 SV (For SALE) > www.onewayracing.org > > Proudly Sponsored by: > Blalock Cycle www.blalockcycle.com, Shen Valley Trailers > www.shenvalleywarrenton.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 11 15:06:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0BK6Mh09266 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 15:06:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id f0BKB2c19960; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 15:11:03 -0500 From: Brian Roach Reply-To: roach@XXXXXX To: "Matthew Patton" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Legalizing health ins. discrimination Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 15:11:02 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.95.2] Content-Type: text/plain References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0101111511020B.13001@www.mostlyharmless.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Thu, 11 Jan 2001, Matthew Patton wrote: > I have to ask. What do you MC racers do for medical? Does your employer's > policy cover that too? Or do you have to get a whole new policy, or a rider > attached to the company provided benefit since it could be argued you were > deliberately participating in certifiably "dangerous" activities. > > Heck, what about track days and riding schools. I can see this having all > sorts of nefarious side-effects. Call your insurance company. I've had United Health Care through AOL (WHich I'm continuing through COBRA since retiring) and they had no problems with it what so ever. Other racers have had to get seperate policies because their HMO said no. If you are a REAL bastard, you could take your HMO to court in the case they say no. I might have had that been the case with mine beacsue, well... I AM a real bastard. If the insurance company excludes coverage of a single sport (i.e. motorcycle racing), I think you would have a real case in court if they do cover such things as playing football, horseback riding, rafting, rock climbing, smoking cigarettes, etc. Statisticly, Motorcycle racing is no more dangerous than any of these activities (In fact, the level of safety is probably much greater, IMHO, having done all of the above activities). I think it'd be an interesting case to try, anyway :) - Roach From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 11 15:29:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h005.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.169]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f0BKTGh09618 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 15:29:17 -0500 (EST) Received: (cpmta 14401 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2001 12:29:09 -0800 Date: 11 Jan 2001 12:29:09 -0800 Message-ID: <20010111202909.14400.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 11 Jan 2001 20:29:09 GMT Received: from [205.229.56.13] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 11 Jan 2001 12:29:09 PST Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: roach@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: pattonme@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.8.1.2 Subject: Re: Legalizing health ins. discrimination On Thu, 11 January 2001, Brian Roach wrote: I AM a > real bastard. do you know how long I've been trying to get him to admit this? I knew it! :-) Just kidding! lmao. LAG ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 11 15:30:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: from min.net (root@XXXXXX [208.222.210.19]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0BKUih09712 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 15:30:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from min.net (berman@XXXXXX [208.222.210.19]) by min.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA14061 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 15:30:37 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 15:30:37 -0500 (EST) From: Morris Berman To: DC Cycles Subject: Clymers to Give Away Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I have a Clymers for my old bike ('82 XJ550 Maxim). I am going form memory here but the manual covers early 1980's XJ550 and XJ600 Maxims and Secas. If you'd like me to check if it covers your bike, send me the specifics and I'll look. The manual is free to a good home. I am, however, too lazy to mail it. 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They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 11 18:29:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web10510.mail.yahoo.com (web10510.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.142]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f0BNSwh12673 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 18:28:59 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20010111232852.26807.qmail@web10510.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.247.81.3] by web10510.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 15:28:52 PST Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 15:28:52 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: Need source for zippers To: Rob Keiser , pattonme@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'll second Bedo's. They did good work taking in my leather jacket. Todd W. --- Rob Keiser wrote: > You might try Bedo's Leatherworks in Falls Church. > They did a nice job > repairing a leather jacket for me not too long ago. > Just a thought. > > http://www.leatherrepair.com/ > > No affiliation. 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Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 11 19:18:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0C0IJh13533 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 19:18:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from McKeithen@XXXXXX by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.35.) id 2.11.e535f8a (8512); Thu, 11 Jan 2001 19:17:55 -0500 (EST) From: McKeithen@XXXXXX Message-ID: <11.e535f8a.278fa732@aol.com> Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 19:17:54 EST Subject: Tax Q for MSF instructors To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, motoguzzi@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 28 Since one the requirements to be an instructor is that I own a motorcycle and ride regularly, can I deduct some portion of my bike expenses?? Bob McKeithen From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 11 20:22:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0C1M8h14554 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 20:22:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-3.patriot.net [209.249.180.3]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f0C1Lw406589; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 20:21:58 -0500 Message-ID: <3A5E5B19.867EE32@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 20:17:13 -0500 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: McKeithen@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, motoguzzi@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Tax Q for MSF instructors References: <11.e535f8a.278fa732@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, gee, don't stop there. Deduct milage getting to classes and all gear an MSF rider is supposed to wear to make a good impression on the students. You know flip-flops, jean cutoffs, tanktop.... On a serious note, I'll ask my kid seeing as how I spent two full dress harley's worth of cash sending him to college to study (shiver) tax accounting. Bill McKeithen@XXXXXX wrote: > Since one the requirements to be an instructor is that I own a motorcycle > and ride regularly, can I deduct some portion of my bike expenses?? > > Bob McKeithen From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 12 08:04:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web513.mail.yahoo.com (web513.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.228]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f0CD4Kh26017 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 08:04:21 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20010112130418.26891.qmail@web513.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [138.88.38.97] by web513.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 05:04:18 PST Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 05:04:18 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Tax Q for MSF instructors To: Bill Huson , McKeithen@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, motoguzzi@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Bill Huson wrote: > Well, gee, don't stop there. Deduct milage getting to > classes and all gear an MSF rider is supposed to wear to > make a good impression on the students. You know > flip-flops, jean cutoffs, tanktop.... i'm not so sure about the mileage deduction, as the irs considers monies spent commuting in MOST instances to be non-deductible....but you're correct on the equipment. > On a serious note, I'll ask my kid seeing as how I spent > two full dress harley's worth of cash sending him to > college to study (shiver) tax accounting. he'll probably point you to the treasury regulations for guidance. if an instructor is required by his employer to bring his own bike to class, my guess is that he'll be able to deduct mileage, tolls, etc. -- tg (just an opinion here ... you should consult an accountant or attorney in your juris. for guidance) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 12 09:33:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web906.mail.yahoo.com (web906.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.81]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f0CEX6h27377 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 09:33:06 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 19792 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Jan 2001 14:32:54 -0000 Message-ID: <20010112143254.19791.qmail@web906.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.229.31.23] by web906.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 06:32:54 PST Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 06:32:54 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Tax Q for MSF instructors To: Tom Gimer , Bill Huson , McKeithen@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, motoguzzi@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Tom Gimer wrote: > if an instructor is required by his > employer to > bring his own bike to class, my guess is that he'll > be able > to deduct mileage, tolls, etc. > They don't require it. In fact that's one of the areas where the Virginia Program at Loudoun and I disagreed. They encouraged instructors to ride to class, but they required instructors to carry 10 gallons of gasoline from the service station to the training site. The site manager prohibited me from using my motorcycle to carry the fuel. He thought it would be a better idea to have a student volunteer to haul it in a car or pickup truck. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 12 10:29:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: from pmesmtp01.wcom.com (pmesmtp01.wcom.com [199.249.20.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0CFTth28310 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 10:29:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42256) id <0G72008012GM24@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 15:17:10 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp03.wcomnet.com ([166.38.58.143]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42256) with ESMTP id <0G720079M2GM2D@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 15:17:10 +0000 (GMT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by dgismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) id <0G7200I012GLLU@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 15:17:10 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp03.wcomnet.com by dgismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with SMTP id <0G7200I012GJL9@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 15:17:09 +0000 (GMT) Received: from chan3544t ([166.36.153.47]) by dgismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with SMTP id <0G7200EIH2FYZQ@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 15:16:46 +0000 (GMT) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 10:16:38 -0500 From: Robert Verde Subject: VA motorcycle license questions To: "DC Cycles (E-mail)" Reply-to: c-Robert.Verde@XXXXXX Message-id: <005801c07caa$a9a807e0$2f9924a6@wcomnet.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal As new to this state, having moved here from Oregon, I have a couple of questions regarding the VA Motorcycle Driver's License. First some background info. I am working out here on a six-month contract, and currently have a motorcycle learner's permit from Oregon. Although I have logged many thousands of miles on a bike, I let my license lapse a few years back, and when I bought the Honda Interceptor I have now, I did not have time to take the driver's test, so I got the learner's permit instead. So I ride with my wife, who did the sensible thing, completed the MSF course, and has her endorsement... My questions have to do with getting the VA Motorcycle License only. I don't wish to transfer my license and car to VA yet, since my current project status is up in the air and may not last past my six month term here. But I did read on the VA DMV site that one can get just the motorcycle license without having to have a VA DL, by passing the general knowledge exam or similar. 1. Can I get this license without having to transfer my OR (auto) DL to VA? That way I could just re-take the written test when I move back to Oregon, and have the endorsement added. 2. Do I have to have a VA licensed bike to take the test? I have an Oregon vanity plate, and I don't really want to change it, just to change again in three months... Thanks for all replies, Robert Verde 1983 VF750F Interceptor (RC15) From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 12 10:33:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web903.mail.yahoo.com (web903.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.78]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f0CFXYh28403 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 10:33:35 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 26747 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Jan 2001 15:33:18 -0000 Message-ID: <20010112153318.26746.qmail@web903.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.229.31.23] by web903.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 07:33:18 PST Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 07:33:18 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Philadelphia Motorcycle Show To: DCCycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Horkster was kind enough to give me his pass to the Philly Bike show. It includes free food from Kawasaki an hour before the show starts. I plan to leave the DC area between 6 and 6:30 AM with an arrival at the show around 9AM. If anyone wants the free entrance and food or to ride up that early, let me know. Leon. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 12 11:26:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0CGQth29259 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 11:26:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-40-132.s132.tnt1.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.40.132] helo=palladio) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14H72R-0001VU-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 11:26:52 -0500 Message-ID: <006501c07cb4$7e222ba0$0100a8c0@mshome.net> From: "Paul Wilson" To: References: <20010112143254.19791.qmail@web906.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Tax Q for MSF instructors Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 11:20:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 My take on it is that MSF requires its certified instructors to be "regular" motorcycle users. This fact by extension makes it an "employer" requirement, since the MSF certification is required by your employer, NVCC. Recreational riding of a motorcycle is, therefore, a bona fide business expense for MSF certified instructors because it is a non reimbursed expense required by an employer in order to do a job. Accordingly all mileage, except commuting to work, mileage reimbursed by employers, or to a training site is deductible at a rate of 26 cents per mile. My understanding is that the IRS regs. do not allow deductions for use of personal vehicles for commuting to one's regular place of business and a training site falls under that rule. At least in VA instructors are community college employees, not independent contractors. This is done for umbrella liability reasons. The IRS does allow mileage deductions for business "travel," which presumably would include travelling by mc to satisfy the MSF "regular" riding requirement. And, yes, the IRS apparently does have a separate schedule of 26 cents per mile for motorcycles. Autos are allowed 32.5 cents per mile if memory serves. Deducting equipment may be on shakier ground due to the presumption that it is used for activities other than the MSF requirement for "regular" use. I wonder if I could pro-rate the depreciation on the bike? The mind boggles. Before taking advantage of any of this I will definitely run it by our accountant to see how much of a stretch it is. Paul in DC 91 CB750 http://users.erols.com/pawilson ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leon Begeman" > --- Tom Gimer wrote: > > if an instructor is required by his > > employer to > > bring his own bike to class, my guess is that he'll > > be able > > to deduct mileage, tolls, etc. > > > > They don't require it. In fact that's one of the > areas where the Virginia Program at Loudoun and I > disagreed. From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 12 12:35:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web513.mail.yahoo.com (web513.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.228]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f0CHZoh00591 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 12:35:51 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20010112173548.28904.qmail@web513.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.219.157.35] by web513.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 09:35:48 PST Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 09:35:48 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Tax Q for MSF instructors To: Paul Wilson , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Paul Wilson wrote: > My take on it is that MSF requires its certified > instructors to be "regular" motorcycle users. This fact > by extension makes it an "employer" requirement, since > the MSF certification is required by your employer, NVCC. > Recreational riding of a motorcycle is, therefore, a bona > fide business expense for MSF certified instructors > because it is a non reimbursed expense required by an > employer in order to do a job. Accordingly all mileage, > except commuting to work, mileage reimbursed by > employers, or to a training site is deductible at a rate > of 26 cents per mile. My understanding is that the IRS > regs. do not allow deductions for use of personal > vehicles for commuting to one's regular place of business > and a training site falls under that rule. At least in > VA instructors are community college employees, not > independent contractors. This is done for umbrella > liability reasons. > > The IRS does allow mileage deductions for business > "travel," which presumably would include travelling by mc > to satisfy the MSF "regular" riding requirement. And, > yes, the IRS apparently does have a separate schedule of > 26 cents per mile for motorcycles. Autos are allowed > 32.5 cents per mile if memory serves. Deducting > equipment may be on shakier ground due to the presumption > that it is used for activities other than the MSF > requirement for "regular" use. I wonder if I could > pro-rate the depreciation on the bike? The mind boggles. > > Before taking advantage of any of this I will definitely > run it by our accountant to see how much of a stretch it > is. certainly good advice here at the very end. and, it's all about being able to back up whatever claims you make on your tax forms with evidence. i happen to disagree with paul's position on the equipment. i would say that if an instructor had a list of things essential to his employment, safety equipment and riding apparel would be at the top of that list. if the things are used primarily for business purposes, they would most likely be deductible. as to recreational riding being business travel, i'd say that one's quite a stretch....but my hat is off to you for creativity. the code does leave some room for creative bookkeeping. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 12 12:42:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f183.pav1.hotmail.com [64.4.31.183]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0CHgdh00678 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 12:42:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 09:42:03 -0800 Received: from 204.193.255.42 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 17:42:03 GMT X-Originating-IP: [204.193.255.42] From: "Doug Allis" To: c-Robert.Verde@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: VA motorcycle license questions Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 17:42:03 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jan 2001 17:42:03.0640 (UTC) FILETIME=[F968CF80:01C07CBE] >As new to this state, having moved here from Oregon, I have a couple of >questions regarding the VA Motorcycle Driver's License. > >First some background info. I am working out here on a six-month contract, >and currently have a motorcycle learner's permit from Oregon. Although I >have logged many thousands of miles on a bike, I let my license lapse a few >years back, and when I bought the Honda Interceptor I have now, I did not >have time to take the driver's test, so I got the learner's permit instead. >So I ride with my wife, who did the sensible thing, completed the MSF >course, and has her endorsement... > >My questions have to do with getting the VA Motorcycle License only. I >don't wish to transfer my license and car to VA yet, since my current >project status is up in the air and may not last past my six month term >here. But I did read on the VA DMV site that one can get just the >motorcycle license without having to have a VA DL, by passing the general >knowledge exam or similar. > >1. Can I get this license without having to transfer my OR (auto) DL to VA? You don't have to transfer your car registration. But I think you will have to get a VA regular drivers license to get a VA motorcycle endorsement, and you will probably have to turn in your Oregon license. But I'll bet that Oregon will honor your VA license with its motorcycle endorsement when you return. Just make sure you point out to Oregon that you have the VA motorcycle endorsement and you will probably not have to do anything more than what you would for a normal driver's license. >That way I could just re-take the written test when I move back to Oregon, >and have the endorsement added. > >2. Do I have to have a VA licensed bike to take the test? I have an Oregon >vanity plate, and I don't really want to change it, just to change again in >three months... If its properly registered, I do not think you will have to change it for the test. > >Thanks for all replies, > >Robert Verde > >1983 VF750F Interceptor (RC15) Longer reply: I suggest that you call various VA DMV offices and ask where you can take the test. Get the details on registration requirements for the bike you use for the riding portion of the test. You have to supply your own bike. Plus its illegal to ride it to the DMV if you don't have a license! Just to be legal, I used a small truck to haul my bike to DMV. I wonder what happens to those who ride to the test and then fail? I found (6 years ago) that some of the offices were clueless. I called around and ended up at a smaller office where I got someone who actually did the the on-bike test -- the Franconia DMV center. I did NOT have the motorcycle safety course card or endorsement. I scheduled an appointment to take the all the written and rider tests on the same day. After I passed the written test I took the riding test. When I took the rider test I showed him the bike's registration. The bike can be yours or a friend's. Although they insist that the bike be properly registered, I saw no requirement that it be properly registered in VA. Remember there are lots of military in this area. But call and ask. They don't expect or care if the bike is yours or not. Suggestion: use a small easy to ride bike. Call ahead to make the appointment and ask lots of questions when you do. The riding test itself was pretty simple: a couple of starts, figure 8's and turns into the street. But there were some things you could miss in both the written and riding tests.... they can be tricky... get a copy of the VA DMV motorcycle handbook and study it. I found some of the advise and answers counterintuitive. Good Luck _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 12 13:41:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mongoose.slip.net (nfeed1.sntccaidc.firstworld.net [216.127.92.117]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0CIfBh01526 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 13:41:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from shell.slip.net ([207.171.193.17] helo=slip-3.slip.net) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 3.13 #3) id 14H97t-00029N-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 10:40:37 -0800 Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 10:40:37 -0800 (PST) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Jupiter's Travels again Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII http://www.jupitalia.com/ ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 12 14:25:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web514.mail.yahoo.com (web514.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.229]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f0CJPIh02268 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 14:25:18 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20010112192459.23915.qmail@web514.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.219.157.35] by web514.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 11:24:59 PST Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 11:24:59 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Jupiter's Travels again To: Hugh Caldwell , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Hugh Caldwell wrote: > http://www.jupitalia.com/ thanks for this, hugh.... i will definitely be checking in on ted's progress, because i'll be stuck behind a f*cking desk dreaming of getting out on a long trip (hopefully a 2-weeker in july/august) how are your plans coming for the 6 month tour? -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 12 14:42:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mongoose.slip.net (nfeed1.sntccaidc.firstworld.net [216.127.92.117]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0CJgKh02559 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 14:42:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from shell.slip.net ([207.171.193.17] helo=slip-3.slip.net) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 3.13 #3) id 14HA5a-0004FA-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 11:42:18 -0800 Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 11:42:17 -0800 (PST) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Jupiter's Travels again In-Reply-To: <20010112192459.23915.qmail@web514.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 12 Jan 2001, Tom Gimer wrote: > thanks for this, hugh.... i will definitely be checking in > on ted's progress, because i'll be stuck behind a f*cking > desk dreaming of getting out on a long trip (hopefully a > 2-weeker in july/august) > > how are your plans coming for the 6 month tour? > Todd Peer has expressed some interest in coming along and with the potential down turn in the economy I may be putting it off for a year. Hopefully I'll be picking up a sidecar rig in a couple of months. I drove down to VA Beach on Dec 23 to test ride a URAL after making an appointment the previous Thursday and after driving for 4.5 hours I got their to find out the bastards where closed! Those aholes wont be getting my $9k that's for damn sure. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 12 15:15:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: from finch-post-1.mail.in2home.net (finch-post-1.mail.in2home.net [212.225.36.83]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0CKFLh03132 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 15:15:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from host-73-152.dial.in2home.co.uk ([212.225.18.152]) by finch-post-1.mail.in2home.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 14HAbL-0000So-01; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 20:15:08 +0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 10:27:40 +0000 Subject: Re: (Guzzi) Tax Q for MSF instructors From: "Graham Jackson" To: mckeithen@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, MotoGuzzi@XXXXXX Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id f0CKFdh03133 Not directly related but here in the UK for tax purposes a motorcycle is classified within the same category as a 'commercial vehicle" ie. a panel van, truck etc. Therefore if it can be proven to be a justifiable business expense the lucky owner can claim back the 17.5% Value Added Tax already paid (about M-#1,000 or $1,500 on a new bike) and write off the balance of the purchase price against tax liability at 25% per year for the following 4 years. Ride at the Governments Expense seems a good slogan to me! Graham Jackson ---------- >From: mckeithen@XXXXXX >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, MotoGuzzi@XXXXXX >Subject: (Guzzi) Tax Q for MSF instructors >Date: Fri, Jan 12, 2001, 12:18 am > > Since one the requirements to be an instructor is that I own a motorcycle > and ride regularly, can I deduct some portion of my bike expenses?? > > Bob McKeithen > > ------------------------------------------------ > Info/subscribe: www.inet-Rendezvous.com/MGNOC/maillist.html > To Unsubscribe: send a blank email to > motoguzzi-unsubscribe@XXXXXX > > ____________________________________________________________ > T O P I C A -- Learn More. Surf Less. > Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Topics You Choose. > http://www.topica.com/partner/tag01 > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 12 15:32:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f120.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.120]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0CKWkh03403 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 15:32:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 12:32:38 -0800 Received: from 204.71.174.14 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 20:32:38 GMT X-Originating-IP: [204.71.174.14] From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: (Guzzi) Tax Q for MSF instructors Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 15:32:38 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jan 2001 20:32:38.0710 (UTC) FILETIME=[CDFC8D60:01C07CD6] Wow! 17.5% VAT!!! No wonder the UK government banned private ownership of handguns and are now going after the rest. No way their subjects can come after them... Perry Cool! I managed to mention taxes and handguns in one post - and almost no MC content... It's a sloooooow Friday. >From: "Graham Jackson" >[snip] the 17.5% Value Added Tax already paid (about M-#1,000 or >$1,500 on a new bike) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 12 15:44:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0CKiwh03615 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 15:44:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-57.patriot.net [209.249.180.57]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f0CKie411355; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 15:44:40 -0500 Message-ID: <3A5F6B99.9BCA686D@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 15:39:54 -0500 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Doug Allis CC: c-Robert.Verde@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: VA motorcycle license questions References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Doug Allis wrote: > > Longer reply: > > I suggest that you call various VA DMV offices and ask where you can take > the test. Get the details on registration requirements for the bike you use > for the riding portion of the test. You have to supply your own bike. Plus > its illegal to ride it to the DMV if you don't have a license! Just to be > legal, I used a small truck to haul my bike to DMV. I wonder what happens > to those who ride to the test and then fail? > Rode my new to me huge bike in and failed, rode it home - borrowed a Yama 750, rode that back the next day and passed. Nobody at DMV blinked at me riding the bike to the test. > > questions when you do. The riding test itself was pretty simple: a couple > of starts, figure 8's and turns into the street. But there were some things > you could miss in both the written and riding tests.... they can be > tricky... get a copy of the VA DMV motorcycle handbook and study it. I > found some of the advise and answers counterintuitive. Ooohh, when was this? I remember the go around the block test back in the late 80s, but now VA DMV uses a tight course its a bugger bear. Bill From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 12 17:37:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0CMbkh05529 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 17:37:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id f0CMgXc22879; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 17:42:33 -0500 From: Brian Roach Reply-To: roach@XXXXXX To: Bill Huson , Doug Allis Subject: Re: VA motorcycle license questions Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 17:42:33 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.95.2] Content-Type: text/plain Cc: c-Robert.Verde@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX References: <3A5F6B99.9BCA686D@patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <3A5F6B99.9BCA686D@patriot.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0101121742330E.13001@www.mostlyharmless.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Fri, 12 Jan 2001, Bill Huson wrote: > Ooohh, when was this? I remember the go around the block test back in the > late 80s, but now VA DMV uses a tight course its a bugger bear. The first time I got my 'M' endorsement was in '89. It was almost comical. The "Instructor" basically told you to go ride around the block. I think the theory was that if he didn't hear any squeeling of tires and loud crashing sounds, and you made it back, you got your licence. I accidentally let my license expire (Something that I'm almost doing again as I type this - damn, I need to renew that thing!) and had to take the tests over (Car and bike... LOL). The "new" motorcycle test is a pain in the ass. It's made up of parking lot drills (which have little to do with anything actually involving riding a motorcycle on the street) including my favorite test which I failed on my 600cc sportbike: In a 50 foot distance, there are four cones. You have to come to a *complete* stop at each cone, then continue, without putting your feet down. WTF?? If I'm gonna come to a complete stop on the street, I'm gonna put my foot down. When I asked the "Instructor" just what this was usefull for, he replied "You do this all the time while riding, it's very important". I replied that in 10 years and well over 60k miles of riding, I'd never found this to be a usefull skill. I asked what he rode... anyone care to guess what the answer was? (hint: nothing). The "instructor" was a moron. He interpretted "stopping at each cone" on the skill test sheet as having to STOP. As in, for longer than a second. As in, sit there for 2 seconds on a high CoG sportbike without moving and without putting your feet down, then go 10 feet, and do it again, and again... I got 2 out of 4... I felt pretty good about that. Other than that, they made me do a U-turn in the parking lot and stop with my front wheel next to a cone. Very thurough testing - if you can do that, surely you can ride on the street safely. I think the old way was better... I kinda like the Darwinian testing idea. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Sat Jan 13 00:13:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: from pressroom.com (mail.pressroom.com [198.69.131.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0D5Duh11990 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 2001 00:13:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from home [216.25.202.49] by pressroom.com (SMTPD32-6.04) id A72E5AE50120; Sat, 13 Jan 2001 00:27:10 -0500 X-Sender: brownlee_b@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Bruce Brownlee Subject: tax deductions for instructors Message-Id: <200101130027796.SM02090@home> Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 00:27:14 -0500 i have an accountant looking into this. our first pass at it says that ALL riding expenses are deductible as the MSF program requires "frequent and routine operation of a motorcycle". deducting these costs are no different than a flight instructor deducting the costs of 'remaining current and proficient in an aircraft'. to that end, you can go the standard mileage route and deduct the 26 cents or whatever it is, or you can go actual expenses and deduct all maintenance, wear and tear items, and the depreciation of the bike (as well as, i would assume, riding gear etc). Now, the problem we (my friend and I) are discussing and looking into now is that the rules state that you may not deduct more than you earned in the job in question. How the IRS would ever match up a W2 from NVCC and your expenses form that states you are a motorcycle instructor is unknown, and certainly would require a significant amount of diligence on their part. this says that you cannot deduct $10,000 worth of expenses against a job you only made $1500 at during the year. your deduction in this case would be $1,500 at max. but i let turbo-tax handle that stuff for me, and i dont ever recall being limited. certainly, the advantage would be if you were an independant contractor, working for NVCC and had wages reported on a 1099-G (I think it is). then you are allowed a loss on your 'business' 4 out of every 5 years. This is all reported on Sched C. by the way, there are a great many expenses associated with a SECOND job that are deductible (all in the name of encouraging more income so you pay more tax). mileage, meals and lodging are all deductible in many circumstances (ask any military reservist). consult your tax advisor and leave no stone unturned. -- Bruce Brownlee brownlee_b@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Sat Jan 13 11:17:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: from email-2 (email-2a.apa.org [192.231.215.53]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0DGHEh24968 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 2001 11:17:14 -0500 (EST) Received: by email-2 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Sat, 13 Jan 2001 11:16:42 -0500 Message-ID: <3FF8647F7E9DD111865E00805F6FA1EC03E305A4@email-2> From: "Casale, Richard" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Tire Repair (Replacement) / Battery Charging / Aerostitch Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 11:16:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" This is a big one, and your knowledge is appreciated. Please direct all responses to my email address (and to the lists/newsgroups if you so choose). I have a 2000 Honda VFR800, and I just got my first flat tire. I was surprised to find that most shops will not repair a flat tire stating that the plugs are not speed safe and therefore require to you buy a replacement time. I did order a replacement time and man was that shit expensive (for just the rear). QUESTION-Series #1 - Is it true that plugging a tire is dangerous. What if I'm three states away from home and I need to get there, can I ride with a plug, or it is really not recommended? Has anyone used one of those CO2 fillers? How many cartridges does it take to inflate a rear/front time to the recommended p.s.i? What about this slime stuff that seals the leak from the inside? ------------------ To make matters more dealable for me, the bike was kept in my companies garage (I commute with it every day) which i where I found the rear-tire to be flat. After leaving it there for two weeks (I went away for a vacation) I discovered that my battery went dead (1/2 capacity) so when I tried to start it--no luck. I have an alarm on the bike that I have on all the time when the bike is parked. I ride about 20 miles a day--on average. QUESTION-Series #2 - When should I put a battery tender on the bike? (after three days, every day, only when it's cold) Are the Battery Tenders really good or should I go with one of those super smart battery recharging systems. ------------------ To make matters worse, I needed to get my bike towed to the nearest dealer and when I call Honda Rider's Club i discovered that there are very few tow companies out there that will take the Nation-wide P.O. for complete payment requiring you to fork out the cash for the tow service and then wait 4-6 weeks for reimbursement. So for all of you wanting to take those long trips and figurd you can rely on the Honda Rider's Club for thier ability to get you towed to the nearest dealer, you better care a couple hundred bucks of cash on you or you may be left stranded. ------------------ I began my search for the ultimate rider's jacket (and eventually pants). I am currently riding with an Motoport Spyder AX jacket and other then the fact that it's 3/4 length causes extreme bunching, the jacket is great. I looking around for the best jacket I decided to give Aerostitch a try. I was leaning towards the Darien, because it looked like normal street clothes, and the lack of polyurathane in the nylon ment that after a couple of washes the material would be as soft as butter. Well after receiving the jacket i have to say that I wasn't impressed. The jacket was stiffer then cardboard and the jacket's armor was very botrusive, making the wear of the jacket without the inner fleece a realy uncomfortable experience. Also, the included documentation made several mentions that this document is not intended for sport-bike protection. So if you commute on your VFR or any other bike at 80mph down your HOV lane and you take an unexpected spill--good luck. All this for the high price of $500 really turned me off to the Darien and the rest of the Aerostitch line. QUESTION-Series #3 - I'm look for a short-cut water proof removeable liner jacket that I can wear in really cold weather and during the heavy rain seasons (here in D.C.) of spring and fall. I've looked at pretty much everyone's jacket out there and I'm left with some interest in the Firstgear hypertext jackets. If anyone has any experience with these jackets (good or bad) can you please pass on your info. Alos, I'm curious how well Leather jackets, of any make, will hold up under rainy conditions and or cold. Is the leather breathable--to a fault--and with the proper coatings will be water proof for an hours in heavy rain? Thanks gang, good luckto you all, and ride safe. From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 14 04:36:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail.rdc1.md.home.com (imail@XXXXXX [24.2.2.66]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0E9aLh11358 for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2001 04:36:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from cj117103a ([24.6.106.133]) by mail.rdc1.md.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20010114093613.NLYB10139.mail.rdc1.md.home.com@cj117103a> for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2001 01:36:13 -0800 Message-ID: <009701c07e09$b34dce00$856a0618@alex1.va.home.com> Reply-To: "James Reazor" From: "James Reazor" To: References: <3A5F6B99.9BCA686D@patriot.net> <0101121742330E.13001@www.mostlyharmless.net> Subject: Re: VA motorcycle license questions Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 04:09:28 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 My test turned into a comedy of errors. Here are the incidents that convinced me that the person deciding weather or not I was qualified to operate a motorcycle had never been on one and just didn't care if I was qualified or not. The DMV "official" kept asking me how much my bike weighed. I told him several time then I asked him why he needed to know he said that if the bike was under 500 lbs you had to use the tighter lines on the course but if it's over 500 lbs you can use the wider lines. I looked at the criteria on his clip board and politely informed him that it said 500 cc. Which is almost significant because my bike is under 500 lbs but over 500 cc. Not that it really mattered. Before the breaking test he explains the rules... Accellerate to 12 mph and hit the breaks at the cones. I do that and come to a stop. This duly deputized officer of the DMV looks awfully confused, he looks from the pavement to his clipboard to his stopwatch repeatedly the I realize what happened. There's a scale painted on the ground and he's supposed to measure time and distance for the stop. I looked down and saw that I was about a foot and a half short of the beginning of the scale and he didn't know how to score it. I offered to do it again and break later but he said "Aw, screw it. You passed"... Before the weave test he explains that as I approach he will shout "left or right" indicating the direction in which I should weave then he says "Oh, just go right" Before the slalom he explains that I have already passed all of the other tests so I can just ride straight through and still get my endorsement... I ran the course anyway just to be a smart ass. -James ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Roach" To: "Bill Huson" ; "Doug Allis" Cc: ; Sent: Friday, January 12, 2001 5:42 PM Subject: Re: VA motorcycle license questions >The "new" motorcycle test is a pain in the ass. > It's made up of parking lot drills (which have little to do with anything > actually involving riding a motorcycle on the street) including my favorite > test which I failed on my 600cc sportbike: In a 50 foot distance, there are > four cones. You have to come to a *complete* stop at each cone, then > continue, without putting your feet down. WTF?? If I'm gonna come to a > complete stop on the street, I'm gonna put my foot down. When I asked the > "Instructor" just what this was usefull for, he replied "You do this all the > time while riding, it's very important". I replied that in 10 years and well > over 60k miles of riding, I'd never found this to be a usefull skill. I asked > what he rode... anyone care to guess what the answer was? (hint: nothing). > > The "instructor" was a moron. He interpretted "stopping at each cone" on the > skill test sheet as having to STOP. As in, for longer than a second. As in, > sit there for 2 seconds on a high CoG sportbike without moving and without > putting your feet down, then go 10 feet, and do it again, and again... I got > 2 out of 4... I felt pretty good about that. > > Other than that, they made me do a U-turn in the parking lot and stop with my > front wheel next to a cone. Very thurough testing - if you can do that, > surely you can ride on the street safely. > > I think the old way was better... I kinda like the Darwinian testing idea. > > - Roach > From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 14 08:34:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web904.mail.yahoo.com (web904.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.79]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f0EDYKh14723 for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2001 08:34:21 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 12082 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Jan 2001 14:16:35 -0000 Message-ID: <20010114141635.12081.qmail@web904.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.244.231.45] by web904.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 14 Jan 2001 06:16:35 PST Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 06:16:35 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Tire Repair (Replacement) / Battery Charging / Aerostitch To: "Casale, Richard" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- "Casale, Richard" wrote: > QUESTION-Series #1 - Is it true that plugging a tire > is dangerous. What if > I'm three states away from home and I need to get > there, can I ride with a > plug, or it is really not recommended? Has anyone > used one of those CO2 > fillers? How many cartridges does it take to > inflate a rear/front time to > the recommended p.s.i? What about this slime stuff > that seals the leak from > the inside? > The most likely cause of the accident that Fran Crane had during Iron Butt '99 is the failure of a plugged tire. Yes, a plugged tire is more likely to fail than one which isn't plugged, the plug adds one more possible failure mode. If you're going to plug a tire, you'll likely have to do it yourself. I try to purchase fresh plugs periodically so they're soft and stay in place. The glue is more likely to deteriorate than the plugs, once a tube is opened, it should be replaced immediately since it evaporates quickly and you are more likely to need it again soon to put another plug in. Thanks again, Horkster, for the plug that's currently in my Ninja 250, it worked well on the trip to Philly yesterday. You can get a 12V air compressor for about as much as CO2 kit, if you remove the housing, it will pack down almost as small as a CO2 kit. The only place I've used the Slime is in a lawn tractor, it didn't work. > QUESTION-Series #2 - When should I put a battery > tender on the bike? (after > three days, every day, only when it's cold) Are the > Battery Tenders really > good or should I go with one of those super smart > battery recharging > systems. > Mine usually start unless it's been more than a week or two. It's less than that if I leave electrical accessories (eg CB radio) turned on. > To make matters worse, I needed to get my bike towed > fork out the cash for the tow > service and then wait 4-6 > weeks for reimbursement. That was my experience with Kawasaki as well. Also the tow operator wasn't equipped to take anything other than cash, so the credit cards weren't of much use either. ATM machines work almost everywhere. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 14 08:58:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0EDwuh15084 for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2001 08:58:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-35.patriot.net [209.249.180.35]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f0EDwp429214; Sun, 14 Jan 2001 08:58:51 -0500 Message-ID: <3A61AF79.D4748E0@patriot.net> Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 08:54:01 -0500 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Leon Begeman CC: "Casale, Richard" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: Tire Repair (Replacement) / Battery Charging / Aerostitch References: <20010114141635.12081.qmail@web904.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Leon Begeman wrote: > You can get a 12V air compressor for about as much as > CO2 kit, if you remove the housing, it will pack down > almost as small as a CO2 kit. The only place I've > used the Slime is in a lawn tractor, it didn't work. > Also, clip on the stem bikepumps are small and work, easy to pack against a frame tube. > That was my experience with Kawasaki as well. Also > the tow operator wasn't equipped to take anything > other than cash, so the credit cards weren't of much > use either. ATM machines work almost everywhere. Tabbaca Chaw towing accepted credit cards and I was fishing mine out after the good ol' boys emergency patched my tire and led me to a cycle shop, total road call time about 45 minutes. How much, I ask, mind set in No Va prices. $25. I paid him in cash. Bill From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 14 14:51:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: from pressroom.com (mail.pressroom.com [198.69.131.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0EJpYh20317 for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2001 14:51:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from home [216.25.205.197] by pressroom.com (SMTPD32-6.04) id A66226BF0114; Sun, 14 Jan 2001 15:04:50 -0500 X-Sender: brownlee_b@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Bruce Brownlee Subject: Re: Tire Repair (Replacement) / Battery Charging Message-Id: <200101141504281.SM02090@home> Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 15:04:54 -0500 regarding tire repair, i have heard the same thing. I know quite a few long distance riders who use plugs tho, but temporarily and 'semi-permanent'. there is an element of liability that makes the dealers not want to repair the tires, but also that the construction of motorcycle tires doesnt always lend itself to repair. I hear the BMW kit is a great kit for roadside repairs. make sure you practice before you REALLY need it. regarding tenders, i have always considered 'tenders' and 'smart chargers' the same, definitely different than 'trickle chargers'. i have one of those $50 tenders that are available under any number of names from harley to interstate and others. looking back, i dont think theres any reason why the 'Jr' version of this ($35ish) wouldnt be just as effective. i have several drawing sources on my bike (radio, cd player, etc) that cause a small drain (like your alarm). IMO, batteries are too expensive to try and shortcut. my bike goes on the tender any time its is home, whether i'm going to use it again the next morning, or leaving it for a week (which doesnt happen much). it only takes a second, i use it 365 days a year. cant hurt to keep the battery as healthy as possible. and with the very low current they charge at, there isnt as much boiloff. go with the smart charger, trickle chargers can cause more damage than good. just a link to start you on the way: http://www.chromeworld.com/batterytender/batterytender.html -- Bruce Brownlee brownlee_b@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 14 15:19:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0EKJnh20698 for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2001 15:19:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-41-147.s401.tnt1.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.41.147] helo=66.44.41.147) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14Htcv-0006wO-00 ; Sun, 14 Jan 2001 15:19:45 -0500 Message-ID: <3A620BA0.2975@starpower.net> Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 15:27:12 -0500 From: Paul Wilson X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-SP32599 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Casale, Richard" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Tire Repair (Replacement) / Battery Charging / Aerostitch References: <3FF8647F7E9DD111865E00805F6FA1EC03E305A4@email-2> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Casale, Richard wrote: > > I began my search for the ultimate rider's jacket (and eventually pants). I > am currently riding with an Motoport Spyder AX jacket and other then the > fact that it's 3/4 length causes extreme bunching, the jacket is great. I > looking around for the best jacket I decided to give Aerostitch a try. I > was leaning towards the Darien, because it looked like normal street > clothes, and the lack of polyurathane in the nylon ment that after a couple > of washes the material would be as soft as butter. Well after receiving the > jacket i have to say that I wasn't impressed. The jacket was stiffer then > cardboard and the jacket's armor was very botrusive, making the wear of the > jacket without the inner fleece a realy uncomfortable experience. Also, the > included documentation made several mentions that this document is not > intended for sport-bike protection. So if you commute on your VFR or any > other bike at 80mph down your HOV lane and you take an unexpected > spill--good luck. All this for the high price of $500 really turned me off > to the Darien and the rest of the Aerostitch line. > > > Thanks gang, good luckto you all, and ride safe. I'll respond to the Aerostich question. There's lots of anecdotal evidence that the Aerostich products offer excellent (but not bulletproof) crash protection at street and highway (not necessarily within the strict bounds of legality either) speeds. They've been making them long enough to learn how they hold up in crashes. Really there's no garment that's 100% effective. The bit about "not intended for sport-bike protection" sounds like a legalistic CYA statement. I think they're talking about hitting the asphalt at track speeds, not that the garments are not for use on sport bikes per se. Heck, even my Nighthawk will do 110-120 mph with a strong enough tail wind. Their statement has more to do with speed than the type of bike you ride. You don't need a sport bike to travel at speeds where an Aerostich garment, or non-race quality leather for that matter, will not provide good protection. Your comment about costs are valid. The Aerostich stuff is expensive and it's crucial you get a good fit. I have a used Aerostich Roadcrafter and my only regret is not getting one sooner. The one-piece eliminates the "bunching" between a 3/4 jacket and pants combo and it's a snap to get on and off. The Aerostich garments are washable and will soften with age and use. Hope that helps, Paul in DC 91 CB750 From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 14 20:51:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0F1pDh25679 for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2001 20:51:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA02466 for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2001 20:50:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtprelay3.abs.adelphia.net (smtprelay.abs.adelphia.net [64.8.20.11]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA13402 for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2001 20:50:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from d478406837 ([216.174.23.1]) by smtprelay3.abs.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id G76KYF00.TZI; Sun, 14 Jan 2001 20:47:03 -0500 From: "Gary Foreman" To: "Dccycles2" , "DC-Cycles Mailing List" , "Tl1000 List" , "R1 Email List" , "Suzuki-L" , "Suzuki-bikes" , "fj1100 List" , "GSXR" , "Hayabusa" , "SV650" Subject: FS: New Joe Rocket 2-piece suit Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 20:46:55 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Joe Rocket High Side 2 Piece Leather Suit Full Body Armor Red-Purple-Black Size 44 (Sizes run a little small) ItM-^Rs tight on someone who wears a 42 Brand new $300 + Shipping. Photo: http://www.tl1000.com/jrocket.jpg Posting for my cousin. Let me know if interested Gary Foreman, TL Owners Club gary@XXXXXX http://www.tl1000.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 15 08:24:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r08.mx.aol.com (imo-r08.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.8]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0FDO7h06918 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 08:24:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from McKeithen@XXXXXX by imo-r08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id a.72.6ed9345 (3992); Mon, 15 Jan 2001 08:23:39 -0500 (EST) From: McKeithen@XXXXXX Message-ID: <72.6ed9345.279453db@aol.com> Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 08:23:39 EST Subject: New toy To: ALANRIBNER@XXXXXX, cb-750@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, motoguzzi@XXXXXX, NJitzul@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 28 What a cutie. I just picked up a'75 Honda MT 250 Elsinore. Havn't excactly decided what to do with it yet. Totally opposite of the Bassa--light, two stroke, lousey brakes, crappy lighting. Maybe I will go old f**t racing. Bob From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 15 10:29:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: from shared1-mail.whowhere.com (shared1-qin.whowhere.com [209.185.123.111]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f0FFTph08809 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 10:29:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from Unknown/Local ([?.?.?.?]) by theglobe.com; Mon Jan 15 07:29:19 2001 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 07:29:19 -0800 From: "Matthew Patton" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off Reply-To: pattonme@XXXXXX X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: Re: Tire Repair (Replacement) / Battery Charging / Aerostitch X-Sender-Ip: 209.117.173.15 Organization: E-Mail @ theglobe.com (http://www.globe-mail.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit tire inflation kits (CO2) can be had from the likes of Performance Bike at probably much better prices than you'd get from your typical MC shop which from my observation likes to over-charge significantly. I bought a really simple setup with 25g cartridges. You can also get the 50g cartridges which should handily fill a MC tire and more. I don't have a mushroom plug set in my tool set but rather a tapered plug one. I think I'll buy the mushroom variety at some point. theglobe.com Your friendly full-service integrated online community. http://www.theglobe.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 15 12:02:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: from relay1.sw.smtp.psi.net (relay1.sw.smtp.psi.net [38.9.157.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0FH2Jh10272 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 12:02:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from [208.22.178.249] (helo=mail2.watsonwyatt.com) by relay1.sw.smtp.psi.net with smtp (Exim 3.13 #3) id 14ID1M-0006r3-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 12:02:16 -0500 Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 11:59 -0500 From: "Tuan Diep" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Reckless driving Message-ID: <20010115120059108-15203474@watsonwyatt.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii A friend of mine was ticketed for going 81 outside of Washington, VA. It's a reckless driving charge so he can pay the fine or go to court next month. Has anyone gone through this? How much does this affect insurance for someone with an otherwise good driving record? Thanks, Tuan From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 15 12:05:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smgt.net (59-90-112-64-user.darwin.net [64.112.90.59] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0FH5ah10361 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 12:05:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from 2g0up [64.44.97.121] by smgt.net (SMTPD32-6.05) id ADAA14B80058; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 12:04:42 -0500 From: "Ahalan" To: "dc-cycles (E-mail)" Subject: paging Glen Dysart Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 12:03:53 -0800 Message-ID: <000001c07f2e$49fcc7a0$3e00000a@darwin.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 This is Niv, I can't find your email address or phone number but wanted to talk to you (regarding tire changer use). Please answer off-list. Niv BMW F650ST From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 15 12:38:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0FHcXh10814 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 12:38:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-60.patriot.net [209.249.180.60]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f0FHcS404314; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 12:38:28 -0500 Message-ID: <3A633470.6427082D@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 12:33:36 -0500 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tuan Diep CC: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Reckless driving References: <20010115120059108-15203474@watsonwyatt.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Better have him check - last I heard reckless driving required one to appear in court. Expect a hefty fine and a shocking increase in insurance rates. Having a lawyer on his side might help with the fine, but if convicted the insurance company will slam him. Bill : > A friend of mine was ticketed for going 81 outside of Washington, VA. It's a > reckless driving charge so he can pay the fine or go to court next month. > > Has anyone gone through this? How much does this affect insurance for someone > with an otherwise good driving record? > Thanks, > Tuan From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 15 12:44:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web511.mail.yahoo.com (web511.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.226]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f0FHifh10926 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 12:44:42 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20010115174438.521.qmail@web511.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [138.88.41.57] by web511.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 09:44:38 PST Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 09:44:38 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Reckless driving To: Tuan Diep , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Tuan Diep wrote: > A friend of mine was ticketed for going 81 outside of > Washington, VA. It's a reckless driving charge so he can > pay the fine or go to court next month. if it's a reckless charge, i don't believe that he has the option to just pay the fine. and i also believe that in va. this offense is a misdemeanor; carrying up to a one year sentence. > Has anyone gone through this? How much does this affect > insurance for someone with an otherwise good driving > record? yes. a lot. he needs to do his best to keep this one off of his record. i'd hire a local washington, va attorney and hope for the best. -- tg (not a va. attorney) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 15 12:45:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mta03f.seamail.go.com (mta03f.seamail.go.com [204.202.140.195]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0FHjKh11005 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 12:45:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from gomailjtp04 (jtp04.seamail.go.com [10.212.0.164]) by mta03.seamail.go.com (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.4.0.2000.05.17.04.13.p6) with ESMTP id <0G770022PTAZR3@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 09:44:59 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 09:44:42 -0800 (PST) From: Arlington Subject: Deduction of Motorcycle expenses To: McKeithen@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <8349991.979580682681.JavaMail.Arlington22201@gomailjtp04> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: GoMail 3.0.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Contrary to what others have said, I think that you'd be hard-pressed to justify deduction of motorcycle clothing just because you happen be a MSF instructor. (This is my opinion, not a legal opinion, consult someone who knows something, yada yada yada.) According to the IRS, "you can deduct only unreimbursed employee expenses that are: 1. Paid or incurred during your tax year, 2. For carrying on your trade or business of being an employee, and 3. Ordinary and necessary. An expense is ordinary if it is common and accepted in your type of trade or business. An expense is necessary if it is appropriate and helpful to your trade or business. *** --Work Clothes and Uniforms You can deduct the cost and upkeep of work clothes if the following two requirements are met. 1. You must wear them as a condition of your employment. 2. The clothes are not suitable for everyday wear. --Protective clothing. You can deduct the cost of protective clothing required in your work, such as safety shoes or boots, safety glasses, hard hats, and work gloves." Even if your expenses are deductible, they are probably subject to the 2% Adjusted Gross Income limit . . . you can't deduct expenses unless, combined, they are greater than 2% of your AGI. The IRS addresses this issue, as well as that regarding deducting mileage, at http://www.irs.gov/prod/forms_pubs/pubs/p52901.htm Aaron ___________________________________________________ GO.com Mail Get Your Free, Private E-mail at http://mail.go.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 15 13:01:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0FI1Eh11263 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 13:01:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-43-205.s459.tnt2.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.43.205] helo=66.44.40.8) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14IDwN-0007Po-00 ; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 13:01:11 -0500 Message-ID: <3A633CA7.7504@starpower.net> Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 13:08:39 -0500 From: Paul Wilson X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-SP32599 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Deduction of Motorcycle expenses References: <8349991.979580682681.JavaMail.Arlington22201@gomailjtp04> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Arlington wrote: > > Contrary to what others have said, I think that you'd be hard-pressed to justify deduction of motorcycle clothing just because you happen be a MSF instructor. .. > > Aaron The point here is that the employer _requires_ you to ride a motorcycle on a "frequent and routine" basis. Unless you can figure out some way to ride for free, it sounds like an unreimbursed expense to me. Here I'm talking about mileage more than the clothing write off, which is think is on shakier ground, as you say. -- Paul in DC 91 CB750 From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 15 14:04:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web512.mail.yahoo.com (web512.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.227]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f0FJ4Ph12273 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 14:04:25 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20010115190424.4053.qmail@web512.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [138.88.41.57] by web512.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 11:04:24 PST Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 11:04:24 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Deduction of Motorcycle expenses To: Arlington , McKeithen@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Arlington wrote: > Contrary to what others have said, I think that you'd be > hard-pressed to justify deduction of motorcycle clothing > just because you happen be a MSF instructor. (This is my > opinion, not a legal opinion, consult someone who knows > something, yada yada yada.) According to the IRS, "you > can deduct only unreimbursed employee expenses that are: > > 1. Paid or incurred during your tax year, > 2. For carrying on your trade or business of being an > employee, and > 3. Ordinary and necessary. > > An expense is ordinary if it is common and accepted in > your type of trade or business. An expense is necessary > if it is appropriate and helpful to your trade or > business. > > *** > > --Work Clothes and Uniforms > You can deduct the cost and upkeep of work clothes if the > following two requirements are met. > > 1. You must wear them as a condition of your employment. > 2. The clothes are not suitable for everyday wear. > > --Protective clothing. You can deduct the cost of > protective clothing required in your work, such as safety > shoes or boots, safety glasses, hard hats, and work > gloves." > > > Even if your expenses are deductible, they are probably > subject to the 2% Adjusted Gross Income limit . . . you > can't deduct expenses unless, combined, they are greater > than 2% of your AGI. > > The IRS addresses this issue, as well as that regarding > deducting mileage, at > http://www.irs.gov/prod/forms_pubs/pubs/p52901.htm aaron: i just read all of this and i come out on the other side.....not surprising, as the code and treasury regulations are subject to more than one interpretation. but, just to satisfy my curiosity, please tell us which of the above-listed criteria, put in the regulations for guidance, do you feel are problematic? i believe that meeting the 2% requirement should be no problem when one plans ahead and takes care of the purchases during the same year. so many more questions would need to be answered in order for a good attorney or accountant to give his educated judgment on this. to name a few: in what capacity are instructors employed? are they required to wear helmets when they teach? boots? gloves? protective gear? what would be considered ordinary protective gear? does the state have a list of approved safety gear? is there a common practice in the industry for deducting such items and in what manner? can support from a supervisor or others on the position be obtained? i don't think the regulations are on point with an instructor's situation, and therefore a creative tax professional could argue for different treatment. i believe bruce brownlee was conferring with one, and that so should anyone wanting a real answer that they can rely on. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 15 14:04:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web512.mail.yahoo.com (web512.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.227]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f0FJ4Fh12270 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 14:04:16 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20010115190413.4030.qmail@web512.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [138.88.41.57] by web512.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 11:04:13 PST Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 11:04:13 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Deduction of Motorcycle expenses To: Arlington , McKeithen@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Arlington wrote: > Contrary to what others have said, I think that you'd be > hard-pressed to justify deduction of motorcycle clothing > just because you happen be a MSF instructor. (This is my > opinion, not a legal opinion, consult someone who knows > something, yada yada yada.) According to the IRS, "you > can deduct only unreimbursed employee expenses that are: > > 1. Paid or incurred during your tax year, > 2. For carrying on your trade or business of being an > employee, and > 3. Ordinary and necessary. > > An expense is ordinary if it is common and accepted in > your type of trade or business. An expense is necessary > if it is appropriate and helpful to your trade or > business. > > *** > > --Work Clothes and Uniforms > You can deduct the cost and upkeep of work clothes if the > following two requirements are met. > > 1. You must wear them as a condition of your employment. > 2. The clothes are not suitable for everyday wear. > > --Protective clothing. You can deduct the cost of > protective clothing required in your work, such as safety > shoes or boots, safety glasses, hard hats, and work > gloves." > > > Even if your expenses are deductible, they are probably > subject to the 2% Adjusted Gross Income limit . . . you > can't deduct expenses unless, combined, they are greater > than 2% of your AGI. > > The IRS addresses this issue, as well as that regarding > deducting mileage, at > http://www.irs.gov/prod/forms_pubs/pubs/p52901.htm aaron: i just read all of this and i come out on the other side.....not surprising, as the code and treasury regulations are subject to more than one interpretation. but, just to satisfy my curiosity, please tell us which of the above-listed criteria, put in the regulations for guidance, do you feel are problematic? i believe that meeting the 2% requirement should be no problem when one plans ahead and takes care of the purchases during the same year. so many more questions would need to be answered in order for a good attorney or accountant to give his educated judgment on this. to name a few: in what capacity are instructors employed? are they required to wear helmets when they teach? boots? gloves? protective gear? what would be considered ordinary protective gear? does the state have a list of approved safety gear? is there a common practice in the industry for deducting such items and in what manner? can support from a supervisor or others on the position be obtained? i don't think the regulations are on point with an instructor's situation, and therefore a creative tax professional could argue for different treatment. i believe bruce brownlee was conferring with one, and that so should anyone wanting a real answer that they can rely on. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 15 14:07:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web511.mail.yahoo.com (web511.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.226]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f0FJ6xh12359 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 14:07:00 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20010115190656.10273.qmail@web511.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [138.88.41.57] by web511.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 11:06:56 PST Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 11:06:56 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Deduction of Motorcycle expenses To: Arlington , McKeithen@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Arlington wrote: > Contrary to what others have said, I think that you'd be > hard-pressed to justify deduction of motorcycle clothing > just because you happen be a MSF instructor. (This is my > opinion, not a legal opinion, consult someone who knows > something, yada yada yada.) According to the IRS, "you > can deduct only unreimbursed employee expenses that are: > > 1. Paid or incurred during your tax year, > 2. For carrying on your trade or business of being an > employee, and > 3. Ordinary and necessary. > > An expense is ordinary if it is common and accepted in > your type of trade or business. An expense is necessary > if it is appropriate and helpful to your trade or > business. > > *** > > --Work Clothes and Uniforms > You can deduct the cost and upkeep of work clothes if the > following two requirements are met. > > 1. You must wear them as a condition of your employment. > 2. The clothes are not suitable for everyday wear. > > --Protective clothing. You can deduct the cost of > protective clothing required in your work, such as safety > shoes or boots, safety glasses, hard hats, and work > gloves." > > > Even if your expenses are deductible, they are probably > subject to the 2% Adjusted Gross Income limit . . . you > can't deduct expenses unless, combined, they are greater > than 2% of your AGI. > > The IRS addresses this issue, as well as that regarding > deducting mileage, at > http://www.irs.gov/prod/forms_pubs/pubs/p52901.htm aaron: i just read all of this and i come out on the other side.....not surprising, as the code and treasury regulations are subject to more than one interpretation. but, just to satisfy my curiosity, please tell me which of the above-listed criteria, put in the regulations for guidance, you feel are problematic. i believe that meeting the 2% requirement should be no problem when one plans ahead and takes care of the purchases during the same year. so many more questions would need to be answered in order for a good attorney or accountant to give his educated judgment on this. to name a few: in what capacity are instructors employed? are they required to wear helmets when they teach? boots? gloves? protective gear? what would be considered ordinary protective gear? does the state have a list of approved safety gear? is there a common practice in the industry for deducting such items and in what manner? can support from a supervisor or others on the position be obtained? i don't think the regulations are on point with an instructor's situation, and therefore think that a creative tax professional could argue for different treatment. i believe bruce brownlee was conferring with one, and that so should anyone wanting a real answer that they can rely on. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 15 14:09:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web515.mail.yahoo.com (web515.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.230]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f0FJ9Yh12369 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 14:09:34 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20010115190931.19299.qmail@web515.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [138.88.41.57] by web515.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 11:09:31 PST Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 11:09:31 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Deduction of Motorcycle expenses To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii f*cking yahoo....sorry --- Tom Gimer wrote: > --- Arlington wrote: __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 15 16:46:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f264.pav1.hotmail.com [64.4.30.139]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0FLkmh14985 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 16:46:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 13:46:40 -0800 Received: from 165.247.86.16 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 21:46:40 GMT X-Originating-IP: [165.247.86.16] From: "Doug Allis" To: bhuson@XXXXXX, Tuan_Diep@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Reckless driving Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 21:46:40 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jan 2001 21:46:40.0668 (UTC) FILETIME=[A4D6CDC0:01C07F3C] Having been though the reckless driver ordeal not once but twice in 5 years, I can say from experience that if it's reckless you BETTER get lawyer and BETTER GET one who practices in Washington VA country...Faquire County (sp?). Every court (judge) is a little different. Consider the the (up to $1,000) lawyer's fees an investment... unless you want to risk losing your license, paying an extra $1,500 a year for insurance...etc. >From: Bill Huson >To: Tuan Diep >CC: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" >Subject: Re: Reckless driving >Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 12:33:36 -0500 > >Better have him check - last I heard reckless driving required one to >appear in >court. Expect a hefty fine and a shocking increase in insurance rates. >Having a >lawyer on his side might help with the fine, but if convicted the insurance >company will slam him. > >Bill > >: > > > A friend of mine was ticketed for going 81 outside of Washington, VA. >It's a > > reckless driving charge so he can pay the fine or go to court next >month. > > > > Has anyone gone through this? How much does this affect insurance for >someone > > with an otherwise good driving record? > > Thanks, > > Tuan > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 16 06:58:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0GBwkh28782 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 06:58:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA08070 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 06:58:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA17945 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 06:58:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f0GBwfL10332064 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 06:58:42 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3A643771.85349B6@radix.net> Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 06:58:41 -0500 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC-Cycles Subject: [Fwd: Fairbanks Weather] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I thought we had it bad for winter riding... Dave Orth wrote: > > I'm not all the timely with this post, but I just found a picture of a guy > throwing boiling water into the air at -46 degrees F. Hey, but it's a dry > cold! > > http://www.orth.org/misc/fbcold.jpg > > Dave O -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 16 08:46:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mta01f.seamail.go.com (mta01f.seamail.go.com [204.202.140.193]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0GDkCh00565 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 08:46:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from gomailjtp04 (jtp04.seamail.go.com [10.212.0.164]) by mta01.seamail.go.com (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.4.0.2000.05.17.04.13.p6) with ESMTP id <0G7900CJGCQQQD@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 05:42:27 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 05:42:09 -0800 (PST) From: Arlington Subject: Re: Re: Deduction of Motorcycle expenses To: Tom Gimer , McKeithen@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <260522.979652529713.JavaMail.Arlington22201@gomailjtp04> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: GoMail 3.0.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Tom, I agree that the IRS regs are something that reasonable people can disagree on, and that they don't speak directly to MSF expenses. But, given the guidelines and examples in the IRS webpage I referenced with respect to both clothing and mileage, I'd be hesitant to try it without someone else (or their malpractice insurance) willing to take responsibility for the choice. I doubt the IRS will agree that someone's regular activity (motorcycling) becomes deductible just because they signed up for a part time job which involves that activity, regardless of what the MSF job description requires. Just my sense of things . . . (and not a legal opinion). BTW, just because you repeat things three times doesn't mean that you're any more right -- damn lawyers. Aaron This is not legal advice. Seek legal advice from an attorney licensed in your area, and pay them well. >--- Arlington wrote: >> Contrary to what others have said, I think that you'd be >> hard-pressed to justify deduction of motorcycle clothing >> just because you happen be a MSF instructor. --SNIP-- !: >aaron: >i just read all of this and i come out on the other >side.....not surprising, as the code and treasury >regulations are subject to more than one interpretation. >but, just to satisfy my curiosity, please tell us which of >the above-listed criteria, put in the regulations for >guidance, do you feel are problematic? --SNIP-- :! (Repeat 3X) ___________________________________________________ GO.com Mail Get Your Free, Private E-mail at http://mail.go.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 16 09:09:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web511.mail.yahoo.com (web511.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.226]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f0GE9Xh00883 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 09:09:33 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20010116140249.10490.qmail@web511.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [138.88.41.57] by web511.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 06:02:49 PST Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 06:02:49 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Re: Deduction of Motorcycle expenses To: Arlington , McKeithen@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Arlington wrote: > Tom, > > I agree that the IRS regs are something that reasonable > people can disagree on, and that they don't speak > directly to MSF expenses. But, given the guidelines and > examples in the IRS webpage I referenced with respect to > both clothing and mileage, I'd be hesitant to try it > without someone else (or their malpractice insurance) > willing to take responsibility for the choice. which is exactly why we've both recommended seeking advice from a specialist > I doubt the IRS will agree that someone's regular > activity (motorcycling) becomes deductible just because > they signed up for a part time job which involves that > activity, regardless of what the MSF job description > requires. Just my sense of things . . . (and not a legal > opinion). i never signed on to the business travel idea. also, i was under the impression that we were talking about full-time instructors. they do exist, don't they? of course i don't believe that a part-time instructor can write-off all of his everyday riding expenses. we'd all be teaching a class if that were the case! but, i do believe that it is possible to deduct your helmet and other safety gear (e.g., aero$tich or leather$), if you can meet the criteria listed in the regs, which appears to turn on what is required of an instructor vs. what is optional. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 16 10:31:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0GFVsh02269 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 10:31:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from 207-172-53-88.s88.tnt4.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.53.88]) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14IY5Q-0006gZ-00 ; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 10:31:52 -0500 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Tom Gimer Cc: Onur Topac , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: OT: was Re: State Farm Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 10:33:39 -0800 Message-ID: References: <20010110162449.25343.qmail@web511.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20010110162449.25343.qmail@web511.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id f0GFWYh02270 |>btw, i don't speak turkish yet (except for a few nasty |>words) ... but i'm marrying a turk in june, so i plan on |>learning it. can you recommend a local teacher? Mail order bride? where can I get one? kidding :) Congratulations! Danny From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 16 10:38:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (granger.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.148]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0GFcrh02366 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 10:38:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va25-56.ix.netcom.com [207.223.162.120]) by granger.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA03718 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 10:38:50 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3A646B4B.C8E3A7C7@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 10:39:55 -0500 From: Chuck Pena Reply-To: the_penas@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Tires Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If anyone is in the market to buy new tires, you might want to check out Chaparral Motorsports, www.800-841-2960.com. Based on their ads in various m/c mags, it seems like they're having a big sale on tires (except for Michelin). I just ordered a set of Bridgestone BT56SS's: F: 120/60ZR17, $71.97 F: 180/55ZR17, $94.97 Plus $16 shipping ($8 each tire) for a total of $182.94. Definitely a bargain for a set of sticky rubber. Sale prices on other Bridgestone tires (yes, they have the -010s), as well as Dunlop, Avon, Metzler, and Pirelli. I guess Michelin just won't let them sell their tires cheap. Although their print ads say the prices are valid through January 15th (yesterday), I think the tire sale is actually through the end of the month. FWIW, their website is a little slow and it's probably faster to call them (their 800 phone number is the same as their website address) to order. Chuck From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 16 10:48:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0GFmnh02534 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 10:48:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA08860 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 10:48:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from pmesmtp01.wcom.com (pmesmtp01.wcom.com [199.249.20.1]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA22204 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 10:48:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42256) id <0G7900M01HXCCE@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 15:34:24 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp02.wcomnet.com ([166.38.62.37]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42256) with ESMTP id <0G7900LAAHXB8J@XXXXXX>; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 15:34:23 +0000 (GMT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by pmismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42259) id <0G7900D01HXBOM@XXXXXX>; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 15:34:23 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp02.wcomnet.com by pmismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42259) with SMTP id <0G7900D01HX6MO@XXXXXX>; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 15:34:23 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.226]) by pmismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42259) with ESMTP id <0G79008PPHWWU7@XXXXXX>; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 15:34:08 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 10:34:07 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: [Fwd: Fairbanks Weather] To: Dave Yates Cc: DC-Cycles Message-id: <3A6469EF.A6442B30@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <3A643771.85349B6@radix.net> Dave Yates wrote: > > http://www.orth.org/misc/fbcold.jpg I suppose taking a whiz outside is impractical in these kinds of temperatures, too? :) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi 1982 Suzuki GS850G 1987 Kawasaki Concours - untitled, un-named, previously un-loved New Member, Concours Rescue Society From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 16 10:50:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kafka.net.nih.gov (kafka.net.nih.gov [165.112.130.10]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0GFoNh02613 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 10:50:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from [128.231.204.107] (pk.niaaa.nih.gov [128.231.204.107]) by kafka.net.nih.gov (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f0GEs6x11536 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 09:54:06 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 09:56:10 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Erick Singley Subject: replacement horn? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" the horn on my 73' cb-750 isn't working at the moment. (Hopefully, I can just find a frayed wire with a volt-meter). In the past month, or so, someone posted a particular loud horn -- if I can't get these working, can you recall what that was? I deleted the post (even though I hadn't meant to...) Thanks! Erick From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 16 10:50:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0GFoSh02623 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 10:50:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from 207-172-53-88.s88.tnt4.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.53.88]) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14IYNO-0002ez-00 ; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 10:50:26 -0500 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Arlington Cc: McKeithen@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Deduction of Motorcycle expenses Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 10:52:14 -0800 Message-ID: References: <8349991.979580682681.JavaMail.Arlington22201@gomailjtp04> In-Reply-To: <8349991.979580682681.JavaMail.Arlington22201@gomailjtp04> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id f0GFoTh02624 |>--Protective clothing. You can deduct the cost of protective clothing required |>in your work, such as safety shoes or boots, safety glasses, hard hats, |>and work gloves." I would think leathers, helmet, and gloves, boots, etc fall under this catagory. that GEAR is not clothing, and you don't wear it everywhere just as you wouldn't a hard hat. under that part, I would claim it on my taxes. Danny From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 16 11:00:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0GG0Qh02788 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 11:00:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from 207-172-53-88.s88.tnt4.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.53.88]) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14IYX2-0004Pj-00 ; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 11:00:24 -0500 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Arlington Cc: Tom Gimer , McKeithen@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Deduction of Motorcycle expenses Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 11:02:12 -0800 Message-ID: References: <260522.979652529713.JavaMail.Arlington22201@gomailjtp04> In-Reply-To: <260522.979652529713.JavaMail.Arlington22201@gomailjtp04> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id f0GG0Wh02789 On Tue, 16 Jan 2001 05:42:09 -0800 (PST), you wrote: |>I doubt the IRS will agree that someone's regular activity (motorcycling) becomes deductible just because they signed up for a part time job which involves that activity, regardless of what the MSF job description requires. Just my sense of things . . . (and not a legal opinion). The way I see it, wether you regularly ride a motorcycle (on your time) or not, is irrelevant because the part time job still requires you to ride, and gear is required. Is there some rule to the contrary? Danny From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 16 11:43:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mongoose.slip.net (nfeed1.sntccaidc.firstworld.net [216.127.92.117]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0GGhoh03447 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 11:43:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from shell.slip.net ([207.171.193.17] helo=slip-3.slip.net) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 3.13 #3) id 14IZCu-0000lk-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 08:43:40 -0800 Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 08:43:39 -0800 (PST) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [Fwd: Fairbanks Weather] In-Reply-To: <3A643771.85349B6@radix.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Now this is cold weather riding... The latest perk in the field of astrophsyics... - Fred B. Cycling at the South Pole Editor's Note: Jeff Peterson is a astrophysicist from Pittsburgh and PMVC member who can be found riding with the Sunday morning PMVC group when he's not visiting the Antartica. For people who feel sorry for themselves about being stuck in Pittsburgh in the winter, here is a bit of motivational reading from PMVC rider Jeff Peterson, who is spending December in Antartica. Why not go south for the winter? Someplace sunny, where you can ride every day. Since 1988 I have been doing this, but never one to do things halfway, when I head south I don't stop until I reach the South Pole. That's where I work on the Viper telescope built by the CMU research team I lead. In 1991 I brought down a mountain bike and have used it here each year since. I ride every day, at least when the temperature is above -50F, and the snow drifts are not too deep. I commute to work from the dome where meals are served in the galley, to the Martin A. Pomerantz Observatory 1 km away. Each way I pass within a few feet of the USGS marker for the geographic South Pole. At the end of the day, if no ski equipped C-130s are about to arrive, I take a spin or two up and down the 14,000 foot ski-way landing strip. Heading out across the unpacked snow of the Antartic plateau is hopeless. When I tried this I sank a foot in the soft spots. That's OK, because I get all the workout I need on the packed surfaces around the Amundsen-Scott Station. Riding at the Pole is a bit different from the PMVC Sunday ride. There is no Steelers traffic, and rain is never a worry (highest temperature recorded here is +7F). I never get lost (despite the occasional white-out) or dropped (just one bike here right now). Here are some unique features of South Pole cycling: Tires: 2.25 x 26 inch GEAX tires on special wide ididabike rims bought from a Fairbanks, Alaska bike shop. Tire Pressure: Low is good. 25 psi works well on the footpath from the observatory to the dome. Here the footfalls of the daily parade of scientists have packed the snow hard. On the roads where the van travels on its baloon tires the snow is a bit looser. 15 psi works better here. At 25 psi the back wheel tends to break loose to one side or the other. On fresh drift snow, even 10 psi is too high. But, below 10 psi I get snake-bite flats. So, on fresh drifts the tires sink in. When the drifts reach 10 inches I just walk. With the tire pressure so low, the tires would slip on the rims, so I cement one bead to the rim. Any good tubular cement would work, I'm sure, but I just use rubber cement. Bit of advice: don't cement both beads, or you will find it hard to change the tubes. Cables: Teflon sheathing on all brake cables. Ordinary cables shatter like glass. Lubrication: Grease must be washed completely out of all bearings and the freewheel ratchet. Any residue will freeze solid. this is particularly important for freewheel pawls since they have light springs pushing them back into place. Before I did this, on colder days, I was free-wheeling either way I spun the pedals. I place the bearing parts in a strainer and spray them down with a squeeze bottle of acetone, letting the grease contaminated solvent flow away from the bearings. Just dropping them in solvent isn't good enough, too much residual grease remains. After degreasing, I add Dow 33 silicone grease. It still flows at temperatures as low as -100F. Thermal regulation: This is tough. I wear two heavy polypro uppers with long sleeves then a windbreak layer. On my legs I wear expedition weight polypro long underwear and wind pants. Surprisingly, this is plenty of insulation even when wind chills dip into the -90s. As long as I keep riding I rarely feel cold in the chest or legs. Often, when the sun is out and I am moving with the wind I overheat and have to unzip the windbreaker. It's important not to let the polypro get soaked in sweat. That's when I do get cold. Head, hands and feet need more insulation than the trunk and legs. This is where I usually get too cold to keep going. For into-the-wind segments it's necessary to have all skin covered. So, I use a balaclava, and modified ski goggles. I used "shoo-goo" to attach the cut off end of a polypro neck gaiter to the bottom of the goggles. That covers my nose and extends down to my mouth. Between that nose covering and the balaclava I have a free opening to breath through. I need it, since the pressure altitude here runs between 10,000 and 12,000 feet. Except on the windiest days, Kodalite mittens do the trick, keeping hands warm. My coldest spot is my feet. I keep forgetting to bring down booties, and despite wool socks my New Balance running shoes let my feet get cold. I guess I could wear the National Science Foundation issue bunny boots, but they are so clumsy on the pedals that I prefer the running shoes. The food is great at the Pole. Four meals are served each day, all you can eat, no charge. And the cold cranks up the metabolic rate. The construction crews that work outsde all day can eat 5-6000 calories a day and not gain weight. Those of us that sit at a computer screen have to hold back a bit. Perhaps the best part of these trips is the time in New Zealand on the way home. I usually bring a road bike with me and leave it in the hands of the NSF contractor in Christchurch. It's really a joy to climb the port hills and head down the rim of the extinct volcano that forms the Banks Peninsula. With the sun out and the blood packed from a month of riding at altitude, the 100 mile loop to Akoroa and back is a great way to thaw out. --Jeff Peterson ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 16 11:44:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: from bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com (bcopgate.bcop.com [204.99.250.45]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f0GGi2h03449 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 11:44:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from BCGATE-DOM-Message_Server by bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 10:40:17 -0600 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 10:39:42 -0600 From: "George Cole" To: "<" Subject: Bike Shows? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id f0GGiCh03450 Did anyone make it to any of the shows last weekend? If so was there anything worth seeing? 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From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 16 11:53:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mongoose.slip.net (nfeed1.sntccaidc.firstworld.net [216.127.92.117]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0GGrmh03656 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 11:53:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from shell.slip.net ([207.171.193.17] helo=slip-3.slip.net) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 3.13 #3) id 14IZMZ-00016c-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 08:53:39 -0800 Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 08:53:39 -0800 (PST) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Fwd: Summit Point (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Forwarded from the VFR list. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- Guys, Here's a message that came through my race list. If you are near the Summit Point (WV) area, and want to show your support for racing (or show your support for other's ability to race), look into this. >From: Tight Squeeze Racing >Reply-To: tightsqueezeracing@XXXXXX >To: Motorcycle Roadracing Listserver Subject: Summit Point >Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 08:01:18 -0800 > >At 7:30PM on January 16, 2001, the Jefferson County Planning Commission >will be holding a "public input" hearing regarding requests to both >expand and greatly limit activities at Summit Point Raceway. We are >asking that all members interested in showing their support for Summit >Point Raceway contact Don Caldwell (301) 384-3455. We very much would >like to have members who live in Jefferson County attend this meeting >to show our support for Summit Point. The meeting will be held at 108 >E. Washington Street in Charles Town at 7:30 p.m. on the Tuesday the >16th, but we would like people to arrive at 7PM. > >IT IS EXTREMLY IMPORTANT THAT WE MAKE OUR PRESENCE KNOWN! A group >called Citizens Against Raceway Expansion (CARE) is lobbying for a >change in zoning. Use of the track would be restricted to 9 a.m. to 5 >p.m. on Mondays through Saturdays and from noon to 5 p.m. on Sundays >and a dB limit of _65_. For reference, an electric typewriter at 10 >feet is 64 dB and a typical highway noise is dB! If this is passed, our >racing program gets hit hard. > >This is NOT a regular meeting of the Planning Commission, so we do not >expect that we will have the opportunity to speak. None-the-less, it is >important that we have people present to show that the Washington >racing community supports their community through our spending. We are >doing this to show our support for Bill Scott and Summit Point Raceway. >Any questions? > >Contact Don Caldwell (301) 384-3455 or dccald@XXXXXX. > >Play safe, >Jeff >------------------------------- >Here is an update. Please support this cause if you use this track. > >Tarun > >-------------------------------- > >Update to all concerned about Summit Point: >Bill Scott, Summit Point and their attorney would like to have as many >people as we can get show up at the hearing on Tuesday, January 16, >2001, at the Jefferson County Planning Commission, 108 E. Washington >St. in Charles Town, WV. The hearing is scheduled for 7:30 PM but we >would like to get there early, around 7:00 to hand out pins identifying >us as pro Summit Point. > >The attorney has said anyone from anywhere is welcome since it is a >public hearing and some of the anti Summit Point forces actually live >in Virginia. In addition, the attorney would like as many letters as >possible supporting the track, addressed to the Planning Commission but >sent to Summit Point so they can be presented together to the >Commissioners. Please try to get all letters to the track by Monday, >January 15. > >Address the letters to: >Jefferson County Planning Commission >PO Box 338 >Charles Town, WV 25414 > >And start the letters "Dear Commissioners" > >But actually send to: >Summit Point Raceway >PO Box 190 >Summit Point, WV 25446 > >OR FAX 304-728-7124 >OR E-mail office@XXXXXX > >Thank you. > >Don Caldwell >Regional Executive >Washington DC Region SCCA > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. >http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > -- Brandon Monnig Please respond to: bmonnig@XXXXXX _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------------------------------------------ The VF/VFR mailing list--see http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~john/vfr-list/ for subscribe/unsubscribe, policy and archive information. From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 16 11:54:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web511.mail.yahoo.com (web511.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.226]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f0GGsVh03667 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 11:54:31 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20010116165429.3447.qmail@web511.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.219.157.35] by web511.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 08:54:29 PST Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 08:54:29 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Bike Shows? To: George Cole , "<" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- George Cole wrote: > Did anyone make it to any of the shows last weekend? If > so was there anything worth seeing? yes....the philly show. it was certainly worth it to me to see thousands of unwashed dirtballs (i was one of them, having had my back covered in tomato sauce by shillinger, er, dysart) wandering aimlessly from exhibit to exhibit. i also enjoyed watching a few posers put on new leathers to get a feel for the bikes on the floor. however, while the gsxr1000 was impressive, it wasn't nearly as impressive as my friend lance falling asleep at our table later in the evening, nor as heroic as the group's drunken stumble back to the hotel. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 16 11:56:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (tisch.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0GGuhh03680 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 11:56:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va25-56.ix.netcom.com [207.223.162.120]) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA25432; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 11:56:15 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3A647D71.6CEDCB37@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 11:57:21 -0500 From: Chuck Pena Reply-To: the_penas@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: George Cole CC: "<" Subject: Re: Bike Shows? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit George, Yes. And yes. %^) BTW, when did you get the new toy? Chuck George Cole wrote: > > Did anyone make it to any of the shows last weekend? If so was there anything worth seeing? > > Thanks, > > George Cole > 00 VFR > 99 R6 new toy From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 16 11:56:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web514.mail.yahoo.com (web514.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.229]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f0GGulh03690 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 11:56:47 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20010116165641.5797.qmail@web514.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.219.157.35] by web514.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 08:56:41 PST Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 08:56:41 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: OT: was Re: State Farm To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > |>btw, i don't speak turkish yet (except for a few nasty > |>words) ... but i'm marrying a turk in june, so i plan > on > |>learning it. can you recommend a local teacher? > > Mail order bride? where can I get one? > kidding :) > > Congratulations! nope....this one i found in the u.s. thanks! moto content: she still don't ride...but she did get some new harley davidson boots for christmas! -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 16 12:10:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web313.mail.yahoo.com (web313.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.78]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f0GHAfh03923 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 12:10:41 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20010116171039.25465.qmail@web313.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [198.26.132.101] by web313.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 09:10:39 PST Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 09:10:39 -0800 (PST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: Bike Shows? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- George Cole wrote: > Did anyone make it to any of the shows last weekend? If so was there anything > worth seeing? I went to the Philly show. Was pretty good, although a tad smaller than I remember last year. One comment I saw in another e-mail list is that the show's organizers are trying to make it less of a "flea market" atsmosphere. Actually that was part of the reason I liked going! I'm sure the NY show will be bigger, and more crowded. Louis __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 16 12:11:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0GHBgh03933 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 12:11:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA09301 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 12:11:39 -0500 (EST) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA24652 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 12:11:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id t.f9.69ec427 (15876); Tue, 16 Jan 2001 12:11:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from web25.aolmail.aol.com (web25.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.222.1]) by air-id07.mx.aol.com (v77.35) with ESMTP; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 12:11:00 -0500 Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 12:11:00 EST Subject: Re: [Fwd: Fairbanks Weather] To: , Cc: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: Ooo...can you imagine? Yeouch...that makes me hurt just thinking about it. Scooter In a message dated Tue, 16 Jan 2001 10:50:24 AM Eastern Standard Time, Dale Horstman writes: << Dave Yates wrote: > > http://www.orth.org/misc/fbcold.jpg I suppose taking a whiz outside is impractical in these kinds of temperatures, too? :) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi 1982 Suzuki GS850G 1987 Kawasaki Concours - untitled, un-named, previously un-loved New Member, Concours Rescue Society >> From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 16 12:28:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0GHS0h04236 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 12:28:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-86-198.s579.tnt2.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.86.198] helo=pawilson) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14IZtl-0003VP-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 12:27:58 -0500 Message-ID: <003d01c07fe1$b4a8bba0$bb82fea9@pawilson> From: "Paul Wilson" To: References: <20010116165429.3447.qmail@web511.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Bike Shows? Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 12:27:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 I was a little underwhelmed by the Philly show, but it was still worth the trip. It was great to see all the bikes in one place without visiting umpteen dealerships, but the hall was very crowded and the aftermarket/accessories product area frankly stunk. Still, it was great to have access to the bike petting zoo, and I sat on more models than I can remember. Motoport was the only apparel manufacturer with a display and sales area. Prexport was the only footwear maker in attendance. Progressive Insurance had 10 times the floor space of Progressive Suspension. Some of the product reps in the aftermarket products area seemed to be missing in action. The organizers hit pay dirt with the home show scheduled upstairs, a perfect diversion for bored spouses, and a warm Saturday, so turnout was enormous. A couple of area dealers had very ordinary gear for sale at not very remarkable prices. I did score a show rate two-year subscription to Motorcycle Consumer News. Maybe we'll get this show in DC when the new convention center opens. It could definitely use a much larger venue. For me, the ride up and back was perhaps the best part of the whole experience, especially going via the Eastern Shore on the way up. I spent three hours on my feet at the show and I had to get back on my bike to get some rest. I buzzed Independence Hall and then made a wrong turn (there's an important distinction between US 30 east and west BTW) and ended up taking a scenic detour into Camden. Paul in DC ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Gimer > --- George Cole wrote: > > Did anyone make it to any of the shows last weekend? If > > so was there anything worth seeing? > > yes....the philly show. it was certainly worth it to me to > see thousands of unwashed dirtballs (i was one of them, > having had my back covered in tomato sauce by shillinger, > er, dysart) wandering aimlessly from exhibit to exhibit. i > also enjoyed watching a few posers put on new leathers to > get a feel for the bikes on the floor. however, while the > gsxr1000 was impressive, it wasn't nearly as impressive as > my friend lance falling asleep at our table later in the > evening, nor as heroic as the group's drunken stumble back > to the hotel. > -- > tg From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 16 12:36:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r01.mx.aol.com (imo-r01.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0GHavh04410 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 12:36:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo-r01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id m.27.101fb02c (15881); Tue, 16 Jan 2001 12:36:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from web32.aolmail.aol.com (web32.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.222.8]) by air-id07.mx.aol.com (v77.35) with ESMTP; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 12:36:34 -0500 Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 12:36:34 EST From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike Shows? To: Cc: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: <27.101fb02c.2795e0a2@aol.com> OK. So, now the question is, who's going up to the New York show in February? I wish Anita was still around to organize another bus trip. That was fun. Anita, you still out there? Anyone planning on riding up? Scooter In a message dated Tue, 16 Jan 2001 12:29:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, "Paul Wilson" writes: << I was a little underwhelmed by the Philly show, but it was still worth the trip. It was great to see all the bikes in one place without visiting umpteen dealerships, but the hall was very crowded and the aftermarket/accessories product area frankly stunk. Still, it was great to have access to the bike petting zoo, and I sat on more models than I can remember. From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 16 12:50:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r05.mx.aol.com (imo-r05.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.5]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0GHoZh04645 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 12:50:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from JimJacks@XXXXXX by imo-r05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id 2.33.f5bf563 (4562) for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 12:50:24 -0500 (EST) From: JimJacks@XXXXXX Message-ID: <33.f5bf563.2795e3e0@aol.com> Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 12:50:24 EST Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 01/15/01 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 49 Hi... Anyone interested in a 98 zx11 with very low miles, been in storage in my shop for most of its life, I bought it new, it is bone stock, never abused (owned by a 36 y.o. guy who didnt have a deathwish). Fell over once onto the smooth shop floor with MINOR scratches on the fairnig (you probably cant see them unless I show them, one MINOR ding on botom edge of pipe on that side. (The ft. signal and one fairing bolt took most of the impact, I replaced both)...the bike is covered and Im too lazy to uncover and check the miles but if i remember right it was about 3k. Needs a battery charge (I have a charger) and some dust removal and a good ride to clean out the pipes, thats all. Got a new wife and new kid and new house and new shop mortgage and still paying the loan on this, need to trim the fat, hate to sell but cant justify the doller per ride ratio. Price somewhere around 8 grand. Bike is in Hagerstown, can deliver on trailer to DC-Balt metro if bike is purchased. Also have a great little two place flatbed trailer with tilt (drive bikes on) that I wouldnt mind getting out of the shop. $600.00 Also a bmw 528 for 2500.00 firm, needs a clutch, but nice car otherwise. (sounds like a yard sale, no?)call if interested in anything. I am frank and honest, no BS. -Jim 240-420-3994 (business line, lv mess. if no answer) jimjacks@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 16 14:03:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hqrs01.inphonic.com (cd-169-161.ra30.dc.capu.net [64.50.169.161]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0GJ3Zh05836 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 14:03:35 -0500 (EST) Received: by HQRS01 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 14:03:28 -0500 Received: from [10.0.0.202] (10.0.0.202 [10.0.0.202]) by hqrs01.inphonic.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id X5GNWZWJ; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 14:03:23 -0500 From: Rich Westbrook To: DC-Cycles User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 14:00:28 -0500 Subject: Bike tours Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Has anyone ever done one of those packaged bike tours through foreign country (or this country)? I have been playing with the idea of doing one of these and wanted to get some real opinions from people who have done them, or know someone who has. There is one I found that goes through Asia, but I wonder if it is as glamorous as it sounds. Even if it isn't I'd still think about it, but I would just like to know what to expect. Also if any one has any recommendations of companies that do this that would be great. Rich Westbrook '95 Honda VFR From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 16 16:00:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r13.mx.aol.com (imo-r13.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.67]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0GL0mh07697 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 16:00:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from FGrefe@XXXXXX by imo-r13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id 2.cd.1127a2d (24897) for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 16:00:24 -0500 (EST) From: FGrefe@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 16:00:24 EST Subject: Re: Bike Shows? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 127 I went up to Philly on Sunday. The only other show I've been to was the Baltimore one, so by comparison this was fantastic. Got a good look at the Aprilia Futura sport tourer. Nice bike except for the big goofy seat. I bet Russell could make a three seater out of it. I was disappointed in the amount of gear on display. I had hoped to be able to try on everything that I've seen in magazines and on the net, but not too many showed up. Motoport had a big area set up and I got to talk with the owner for about 45 minutes. He said that the Philly show has the lowest attendance. (Maybe someday they'll move the Philly show to DC.) Other stuff he told me: Motoport has a US patent on jackets with a removable waterproof liner. BMW was violating this patent, but is now paying him a licensing fee. Joe Rocket textile gear is complete crap. Kevlar used in gloves is a marketing ploy and serves no useful purpose. Stretch Kevlar would be useful, but glove makers use straight Kevlar which has very low resistance to abrasion. He then pointed out that they even sell gloves like this because that's what everyone wants. He seemed annoyed about the Cordura Vs. Kevlar page in the Aerostich catalogue saying that "It's just not true" that Cordura is better than stretch Kevlar. The hard plastic on the outside of back protectors is a gimmick. It doesn't improve protection. What it will do is focus all of your weight on a very small area of your jacket/suit making it much more likely to wear through or tear during a slide. (this next part is for those who read Motorcycle Consumer News and read the tests last summer of the various fabrics) If you recall the black leather far outperformed the white leather. The process of dying/coloring leather white can destroy many of the leather's beneficial qualities. There is a different, better process which doesn't ruin leather this way, but apparently Z-Leathers wasn't using this method at the time (hope they are now). This was the cause of Fieldsheer's leather problems, too. Gerbing has a new riding jacket/pants coming out. Dick Gerbing showed me one (he only had one and it wasn't for sale) that he had hidden behind his display. It looks pretty sharp. Nothing like the old stuff. A new clothing import called WinTex. They look to be make of regular nylon (cheap). www.moto-heaven.com Giali had flip helmets and moto clothes. Some looked like a brown field jacket and these were kinda cool for that non-moto going huntin' look. Also had jean jackets with armor pocket and some heated gear. www.giali.com Couldn't bring myself to try on any helmets. Who knows what kind of critters were in there after a 3 day show. Where were all the boot makers G-damnit? How am I going to find boots for these fat feet unless I have them to try on? Well, that's all I can think of. Fred Grefe GTS1000 From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 16 16:54:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0GLsWh08496 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 16:54:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-41-133.s387.tnt1.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.41.133] helo=pawilson) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14Ie3e-0001mZ-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 16:54:27 -0500 Message-ID: <009501c08006$f03d9260$bb82fea9@pawilson> From: "Paul Wilson" To: References: Subject: Re: Bike Shows? Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 16:53:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 I would think that DC would be more attractive for a motorcycle show once the new convention center comes on line. Provided the convention center wants a mc show. Someone said they are not very lucrative from the convention center management's viewpoint. Any way, Washington-Baltimore is a bigger and more affluent market than Phila. and farther from NYC. Sounds like the vendors are disappointed in Phila., but on the other hand there were only a handful of manufacturers actually making an effort at selling anything (Motoport, Gerbing and a couple of others). I am semi-looking for new boots and other than a small selection of the usual stuff at two vendors there were none to buy or even to try on. I might have made an impulse purchase had a good selection of boots been available from one of the quality manufacturers. I would have been great if Sidi, for example, had been there. Perhaps they don't want to undercut their dealers, who knows. At least to me the "meat space" shopping experience for motorcycle gear is generally a PITA. No wonder so much business is done over the net and via mail order. Paul in DC 91 CB750 ----- Original Message ----- From: > I went up to Philly on Sunday. The only other show I've been to was the > Baltimore one, so by comparison this was fantastic. .. He said that the Philly show has the lowest attendance. (Maybe someday > they'll move the Philly show to DC.) From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 16 23:16:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web10010.mail.yahoo.com (web10010.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.121]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f0H4GAh14424 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 23:16:10 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20010117041607.4817.qmail@web10010.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [152.163.204.26] by web10010.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 20:16:07 PST Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 20:16:07 -0800 (PST) From: Nomad Subject: Bike shows? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Well, I went to the Baltimore bike show. What a disappointment. I was bored after 45 minutes. Not all the motorcycle manufactures were present and those that were in attendance did not have examples of all their models. Accessory vendors were few and far between. The only redeeming feature was watching the Ravens win later that night. Definitely not worth the admission price. Herb '94 Magna __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 17 01:39:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail.rdc1.md.home.com (imail@XXXXXX [24.2.2.66]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0H6dBh16564 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 01:39:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from cj117103a ([24.6.106.133]) by mail.rdc1.md.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20010117063854.XIVS10139.mail.rdc1.md.home.com@cj117103a> for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 22:38:54 -0800 Message-ID: <001b01c08049$d10c8340$856a0618@alex1.va.home.com> Reply-To: "James Reazor" From: "James Reazor" To: References: <009501c08006$f03d9260$bb82fea9@pawilson> Subject: Re: Bike Shows? Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 00:53:28 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 I went to the Philly show on Saturday and had a great time. I met up with a guy from the SV list, we generally hung out and sat on every bike we could get close to. I was amazed at how light the new GL1800 felt standing still. Most of that 900 pounds must be very close to the ground. I did buy a much needed Motoport Canyon II jacket but I was also shopping for boots. No luck there The jacket's great. 2 liners, one of which is supposed to be completely water proof. I haven't tested the water resistance yet but with both liners in it's very warm. In fact with a light sweater on underneath, I was a bit too warm. The highlight of the show for me had to be the BMW booth. They had 2 acrylic or plexi boxes one containing a cut away R engine and the other with a K. There was a big crank on the out side of the box that set the engine in motion slowly enough so that you could see exactly what was happening inside (I know I'm a nerd but I can't help it.). Another lister already commented on the size of the seat on the Aprillia Futura. I have to agree, it's f'n huge and is the only grotesque feature on an otherwise very hip design. I really like the triangular muffler tucked up under the seat. -James From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 17 08:01:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: from wpo.aamc.org (wpo.aamc.org [143.220.4.36]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f0HD1Lh23293 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 08:01:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from AAMC-Message_Server by wpo.aamc.org with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 07:57:16 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.2.1 Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 07:56:46 -0500 From: "Onur Topac" To: , Subject: Non-moto: Attorney needed Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id f0HD1lh23294 Hi folks, Sorry about the off-topic post but I know some of you are very knowledgable about the law. I'm looking for a powerful labor attorney in NY, preferably in NYC. If you know of any such person, please contact me off list. Thanks, Onur '84 Magna V30 From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 17 08:17:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: from ws3.us2.outblaze.com (ws3.us2.outblaze.com [208.184.211.199]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f0HDH0h23544 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 08:17:00 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 10789 invoked by uid 1001); 17 Jan 2001 13:16:57 -0000 Message-ID: <20010117131657.10787.qmail@theglobe.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.117) From: "Matthew Patton" To: "James Reazor" , Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 08:16:50 -0500 Subject: Re: Bike Shows? > lister already commented on the size of the seat on the Aprillia Futura. I > have to agree, it's f'n huge and is the only grotesque feature on an yeah but did any of you look at the photos of the actual production design? The bikes were clearly labeled as being pre-production models. The photos looked great. -- _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://mail.theglobe.com Powered by Outblaze From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 17 08:20:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: from fin-out.finnegan.com (firewall-user@XXXXXX [38.241.51.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0HDKrh23623 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 08:20:53 -0500 (EST) Received: by fin-out.finnegan.com; id IAA12750; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 08:20:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from unknown(192.68.20.4) by fin-out.finnegan.com via smap (V5.0) id xma012572; Wed, 17 Jan 01 08:20:15 -0500 Received: from FHFGD-Message_Server by netmail.finnegan.com with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 08:18:25 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5.3 Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 08:18:15 -0500 From: "Judy La Follette" To: "<" Subject: What was the yellow thingy on 395 HOV??? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id f0HDKsh23624 Were you riding a three-wheeled (two wheels up front, one in the back) yellow cage thingy on the I-395 HOV lanes? It had Virginia tags, and I passed it about the Shirlington exit. What is/was it???????????? Did anyone else see it? Judy From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 17 08:34:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f204.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.204]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0HDYVh23753 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 08:34:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 05:34:23 -0800 Received: from 204.71.174.14 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 13:34:23 GMT X-Originating-IP: [204.71.174.14] From: "Perry Coleman" To: judy.lafollette@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: What was the yellow thingy on 395 HOV??? Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 08:34:23 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Jan 2001 13:34:23.0440 (UTC) FILETIME=[341AFD00:01C0808A] Judy, It wasn't me, but that sounds like a Morgan 3-wheeler. Or a replica. British-built; basically a motorcycle drive train with a roadster body. Perry >From: "Judy La Follette" >To: "<" >Subject: What was the yellow thingy on 395 HOV??? >Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 08:18:15 -0500 > >Were you riding a three-wheeled (two wheels up front, one in the back) >yellow cage thingy on the I-395 HOV lanes? It had Virginia tags, and I >passed it about the Shirlington exit. > >What is/was it???????????? > >Did anyone else see it? > >Judy > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 17 09:00:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0HE0Yh24199 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 09:00:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id i.24.fdfb80e (15863); Wed, 17 Jan 2001 08:56:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from web25.aolmail.aol.com (web25.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.222.1]) by air-id06.mx.aol.com (v77.35) with ESMTP; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 08:56:33 -0500 Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 08:56:32 EST From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Subject: Re: What was the yellow thingy on 395 HOV??? To: , , Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: <24.fdfb80e.2796fe91@aol.com> Sounds like Grandma and her Lark motorchair got out onto the beltway again. ;-) I'll have to check the police reports. LOL Scooter In a message dated Wed, 17 Jan 2001 8:35:54 AM Eastern Standard Time, "Perry Coleman" writes: << Judy, It wasn't me, but that sounds like a Morgan 3-wheeler. Or a replica. British-built; basically a motorcycle drive train with a roadster body. Perry >From: "Judy La Follette" >To: "<" >Subject: What was the yellow thingy on 395 HOV??? >Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 08:18:15 -0500 > >Were you riding a three-wheeled (two wheels up front, one in the back) >yellow cage thingy on the I-395 HOV lanes? It had Virginia tags, and I >passed it about the Shirlington exit. > >What is/was it???????????? > >Did anyone else see it? > >Judy > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com >> From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 17 09:48:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: from dchqexs1.fsis.usda.gov (wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa [199.128.203.12] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0HEmEh24882 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 09:48:14 -0500 (EST) Received: by wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 09:47:52 -0500 Message-ID: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F780265@DCHQCLEXHQ> From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Cc: "'singley@XXXXXX'" Subject: replacement horn? Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 09:49:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Erick Singley queried, "the horn on my 73' cb-750 isn't working at the moment. (Hopefully, I can just find a frayed wire with a volt-meter). In the past month, or so, someone posted a particular loud horn -- if I can't get these working, can you recall what that was?" PepBoys seem to have the best prices on aftermarket horns, both air and electric. In addition to the Fiammes and Blasters, they have electric Fiammes that look like some stockers if that's important. A 1973 horn may be just rusted up instead of corroded internal wires. If the magnet won't move, it won't beep. Garcia or another lister may have a used stock replacement. Carl in Bethesda Commuting into your nation's capital since 1981 through sun, rain, over snow, and around road ragers. '80 GS450E (RIP); '85 VF700S (Rocin-ahorito); '83 VF700F (666) '97 Aerostich Roadcrafter (Fred the Red) Don't need no loud pipes; I got big honking tooters: http://members.tripod.com/~v65_magna/sos_99/sat_lunch2.jpg From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 17 10:24:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mailhub1.TRW.COM (mailhub1.TRW.COM [129.193.4.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0HFOch25473 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 10:24:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from navieg1.trw.com by mailhub1.TRW.COM for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 07:23:08 -0800 Received: from RESVA-MS6.resva.trw.com ([158.114.112.204]) by navieg1 (NAVIEG 2.1 bld 63) with SMTP id M2001011707243600531 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 07:24:36 -0800 Received: from trw.com (dhcp183-61.fp.trw.com [129.193.183.61]) by RESVA-MS6.resva.trw.com; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 10:22:56 -0500 Message-Id: <3A65B89C.E038EEC7@trw.com> Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 10:22:04 -0500 From: Randy Moran X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike Shows? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was at the Baltimore show on Saturday, working the MARRC booth and spreading the gospel of road racing. The show boasted its usual "leather tassel" crowd. I even had one thirty-something guy (I guess he only **looked** like a man) recoil in horror at the thought of attending a "speedbike" race! Where do they get these people? There was the usual assortment of expensive rolling "artwork," the only real highlight of which was a very tricked out 916 with some secondhand parts off Troy Bayliss's AMA bike. The "Queen of the Bike Show" contest drew four (very) local beauties who didn't even have the decency to come indecently dressed. All in all, it was a sad commentary on the local "biker" scene, only made enjoyable for me by the presence of some cornerworking/roadracing buddies. I cannot recommend this show to actual motorcyclists. Randy George Cole wrote: > Did anyone make it to any of the shows last weekend? If so was there anything worth seeing? From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 17 10:43:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h015.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.179]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f0HFhVh25813 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 10:43:31 -0500 (EST) Received: (cpmta 9879 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2001 07:43:24 -0800 Date: 17 Jan 2001 07:43:24 -0800 Message-ID: <20010117154324.9878.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 17 Jan 2001 15:43:24 GMT Received: from [205.229.56.13] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 17 Jan 2001 07:43:24 PST Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.8.1.2 Subject: What are girlfriends for...? Ok, before I get a ton of interesting off-topic responses to that question...I just wanted to let you know the answer. Girlfriends are for telling all of DC Cycles that today is your mans 30th birthday. don't give Roach too much hell, though. He is pretty well put together for a man that old. lol. :-) LAG ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com ------- End of forwarded message ------- ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 17 10:55:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f82.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.15.82]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0HFtch26020 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 10:55:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 07:55:20 -0800 Received: from 166.32.192.143 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 15:55:20 GMT X-Originating-IP: [166.32.192.143] From: "Rob Keiser" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: What are girlfriends for...? Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 10:55:20 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Jan 2001 15:55:20.0614 (UTC) FILETIME=[E4F95460:01C0809D] Happy Birthday, Roach! Welcome to the club!! LOL Rob '98 VFR800 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 17 10:56:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0HFuEh26030 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 10:56:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f0HFtu610149408 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 10:55:56 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3A65C084.875A9D42@radix.net> Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 10:55:48 -0500 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: What are girlfriends for...? References: <20010117154324.9878.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit LAURA GRANATO wrote: > > Ok, before I get a ton of interesting off-topic responses to that question...I just wanted to let you know the answer. Girlfriends are for responding to snap commands to get their man a beer ? well, at least until married ;-| telling all of DC Cycles that today is your mans 30th birthday. hmm... Roach, you're not a tennis player, are you? ;-) don't give Roach too much hell, though. He is pretty well put together for a man that old. lol. :-) HFB Roach ! -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 17 12:27:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: from e22.nc.us.ibm.com (e22.nc.us.ibm.com [32.97.136.228]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0HHRMh27492 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 12:27:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com [9.37.3.209]) by e22.nc.us.ibm.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA16904; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 12:22:36 -0600 Received: from d04nms69.raleigh.ibm.com (d04nms69.raleigh.ibm.com [9.67.228.69]) by southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (8.11.1/NCO v4.95) with ESMTP id f0HHRG284096; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 12:27:16 -0500 Importance: Normal Subject: Re: What was the yellow thingy on 395 HOV??? To: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.3 (Intl) 21 March 2000 Message-ID: From: "Tom Knapik" Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 12:27:16 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on D04NMS69/04/M/IBM(Release 5.0.3 (Intl)|21 March 2000) at 01/17/2001 12:27:18 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii What was seen was most likley a JZR!!! Great fun to say the least. Here's a link to the club page: http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/3102/ Regards, Tom Knapik Federal SAP Deployment Focal E-mail: knapik@XXXXXX Phone: (301) 803-2417, tie-262-2417 ScooterFZR@XXXXXX on 01/17/2001 08:56:32 AM To: , , cc: Subject: Re: What was the yellow thingy on 395 HOV??? Sounds like Grandma and her Lark motorchair got out onto the beltway again. ;-) I'll have to check the police reports. LOL Scooter In a message dated Wed, 17 Jan 2001 8:35:54 AM Eastern Standard Time, "Perry Coleman" writes: << Judy, It wasn't me, but that sounds like a Morgan 3-wheeler. Or a replica. British-built; basically a motorcycle drive train with a roadster body. Perry >From: "Judy La Follette" >To: "<" >Subject: What was the yellow thingy on 395 HOV??? >Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 08:18:15 -0500 > >Were you riding a three-wheeled (two wheels up front, one in the back) >yellow cage thingy on the I-395 HOV lanes? It had Virginia tags, and I >passed it about the Shirlington exit. > >What is/was it???????????? > >Did anyone else see it? > >Judy > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com >> From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 17 13:30:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: from cmr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net (cmr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net [198.5.241.40]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0HIUXh28509 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 13:30:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from imr3.ash.ops.us.uu.net by cmr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: imr3.ash.ops.us.uu.net [153.39.43.47]) id QQjyjy05154 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 18:30:30 GMT Received: from [153.39.168.51] by imr3.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: macsupport10.corp.us.uu.net [153.39.168.51]) id QQjyjx15212 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 18:28:36 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: sjordan@XXXXXX Message-Id: Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 13:28:36 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: For the observant Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Anyone notice anything different about my signature at the end of this email? -- "For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the skillful defiance of it." -Ernest Becker (1924-1974) Sean Jordan '93 Honda CBR1000F (Street) '90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race) WERA Novice #230 From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 17 13:41:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: from dgesmtp02.wcom.com (dgesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.16.17]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0HIfYh28610 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 13:41:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42261) id <0G7B00701L7P6H@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 18:40:37 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp04.wcomnet.com ([166.38.58.144]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42261) with ESMTP id <0G7B0066XL7OCQ@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 18:40:37 +0000 (GMT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by dgismtp04.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) id <0G7B00901L7OBJ@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 18:40:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp04.wcomnet.com by dgismtp04.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with SMTP id <0G7B00901L7C9P@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 18:40:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: from chan3544t ([166.36.153.47]) by dgismtp04.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with SMTP id <0G7B004GFL74YT@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 18:40:16 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 13:40:08 -0500 From: Robert Verde Subject: RE: What was the yellow thingy on 395 HOV??? In-reply-to: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Reply-to: c-Robert.Verde@XXXXXX Message-id: <007101c080b4$eace6f80$2f9924a6@wcomnet.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Based on the description it could be one of several tri-wheeled vehicles. A brief Altavista search located examples ranging from the Morgan, as a classic choice, to the Skunk (http://www.zyworld.com/jonmalone/page2.htm), the Lomax 223 (http://www.findit.co.uk/uk/cars/kitcar/89042.htm), and the JZR referenced below. I think I remember a three-wheeled kit-car from the eighties that was driven by a Kawasaki 1100 engine and rear wheel, passenger and driver sat abreast in a closed cockpit. Rather spacy looking, and boasted some impressive specs. I think that in many states, licensing requirements are not as stringent when it's a tricycle, as it falls under motorcycle regs. Therefore the vehicle may not need to have an approved windscreen, safety belts, etc., making the platform a preferred choice for kit-car makers/builders. Robert Verde -----Original Message----- From: Tom Knapik [mailto:knapik@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 12:27 PM To: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: What was the yellow thingy on 395 HOV??? What was seen was most likley a JZR!!! Great fun to say the least. Here's a link to the club page: http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/3102/ Regards, Tom Knapik Federal SAP Deployment Focal E-mail: knapik@XXXXXX Phone: (301) 803-2417, tie-262-2417 << Judy, It wasn't me, but that sounds like a Morgan 3-wheeler. Or a replica. British-built; basically a motorcycle drive train with a roadster body. Perry >From: "Judy La Follette" >To: "<" >Subject: What was the yellow thingy on 395 HOV??? >Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 08:18:15 -0500 > >Were you riding a three-wheeled (two wheels up front, one in the back) >yellow cage thingy on the I-395 HOV lanes? It had Virginia tags, and I >passed it about the Shirlington exit. > >What is/was it???????????? > >Did anyone else see it? > >Judy > From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 17 13:48:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: from lycanthrope.crosslink.net (lycanthrope.crosslink.net [206.246.124.36]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0HImch28765 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 13:48:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailserver1.crosslink.net (yeti.crosslink.net [206.246.124.17]) by lycanthrope.crosslink.net (8.9.3/) with ESMTP id NAA09854; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 13:48:31 -0500 X-Really-To: Received: from [128.38.92.19] (account ) by mailserver1.crosslink.net (CommuniGate Pro WebUser 3.1) with HTTP id 28340562; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 13:48:12 -0500 From: biga@XXXXXX (Andrew Culpepper) Subject: Re: For the observant To: Sean Jordan , dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro Web Mailer v.3.1 Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 13:48:12 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" You got the all powerful Speedwerk's dominator from Roach? Maybe he's going to build a 560 for Formula 2? Andrew On Wed, 17 Jan 2001 13:28:36 -0500 Sean Jordan wrote: > Anyone notice anything different about my signature at the end of > this email? > > -- > "For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the > skillful defiance of it." > > -Ernest Becker (1924-1974) > > Sean Jordan > '93 Honda CBR1000F (Street) > '90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race) > WERA Novice #230 > From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 17 13:56:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: from merctech.com (brickhouse1.iad1.sitesmith.com [63.94.228.10]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0HIurh28855 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 13:56:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from biber (bergman@localhost) by merctech.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f0HIujD02985 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 13:56:45 -0500 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.2 06/23/2000 with nmh-1.0.4 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: bergman@XXXXXX Reply-To: bergman@XXXXXX Subject: Re: What was the yellow thingy on 395 HOV??? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 17 Jan 2001 13:40:08 EST." <007101c080b4$eace6f80$2f9924a6@wcomnet.com> References: <007101c080b4$eace6f80$2f9924a6@wcomnet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 13:56:45 -0500 Message-ID: <2982.979757805@biber> In your message dated: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 13:40:08 EST, your pithy ruminations on were: => Based on the description it could be one of several tri-wheeled vehicles. => => A brief Altavista search located examples ranging from the Morgan, as a => classic choice, to the Skunk (http://www.zyworld.com/jonmalone/page2.htm), => the Lomax 223 (http://www.findit.co.uk/uk/cars/kitcar/89042.htm), and the => JZR referenced below. There's also the thingy that Mike Corbin is selling: http://www.corbinmotors.com/products.htm I've seen them in CA (in fact, they are popular as rental vehicles, somewhere between a scooter and a real car). Mark From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 17 14:02:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h012.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.176]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f0HJ2ah29027 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 14:02:36 -0500 (EST) Received: (cpmta 29075 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2001 11:02:29 -0800 Date: 17 Jan 2001 11:02:29 -0800 Message-ID: <20010117190229.29074.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 17 Jan 2001 19:02:29 GMT Received: from [205.229.56.13] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 17 Jan 2001 11:02:29 PST Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Sean.Jordan@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.8.1.2 Subject: Re: For the observant On Wed, 17 January 2001, Sean Jordan wrote: > > Anyone notice anything different about my signature at the end of this email? > apparently, nobody is observant, huh, Sean? well, here's a hint people...please help me congratulate Sean on his new ________. anyone? anyone? :-) LAG ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 17 14:12:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0HJCNh29199 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 14:12:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id f0HJI1c01741 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 14:18:02 -0500 From: Brian Roach Reply-To: roach@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: For the observant Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 14:18:01 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.95.2] Content-Type: text/plain References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0101171418010Q.13001@www.mostlyharmless.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Wed, 17 Jan 2001, Andrew Culpepper wrote: > You got the all powerful Speedwerk's dominator from Roach? No, he got a bone stock 400 from Roach :) > Maybe he's going to build a 560 for Formula 2? Heretic! The mighty TZ250 is for that class. (And the new National rules make Formula-2 a 250GP only class, as it should be) And... the 400RR makes almost as much power as a 560, weighs less, and handles better. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 17 14:13:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (garicao@XXXXXX [151.200.199.10]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f0HJD2h29209 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 14:13:02 -0500 (EST) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id OAA12464; Wed, 17 Jan 1973 14:20:30 -0500 Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1973 14:20:29 -0500 (EST) From: Garcia Oliver To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: suzuki-l@XXXXXX Subject: parts wanted: GS750/850 exhaust, old Honda threaded petcock Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi...anyone have for sale/trade: (1) an exhaust for a '77-79 Suzuki GS750. Not particular about style, color, appearance (if you see my bike, you will understand). Lots of 4-into-1 pipes work (GS850, 1979 GS750L, 1978-9 GS750E, maybe some others) but some of the 4-into-2 (e.g. stock 1979 GS850) do not fit, as I have just discovered, despite parts book showing otherwise. So 4-1 preferred. (2) The other item is a threaded petcock (screws into male gastank spigot with a big coupling/compression nut) (btw, I finally figured out the "pet" part of the word petcock). Probably used on a bunch of old Hondas, ca. early '70s-80s. Comes with either fine or coarse threads (naturally); I need the fine threads. Not vacuum operated (i.e. tap has on/off/reserve settings); may come with riveted (stupid design) or screw tap. Thanks. --garcia "It seemed like a good idea...at the time." From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 17 14:17:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web9704.mail.yahoo.com (web9704.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.129.140]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f0HJHjh29309 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 14:17:48 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20010117191705.94590.qmail@web9704.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [32.97.182.42] by web9704.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 11:17:05 PST Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 11:17:05 -0800 (PST) From: Scratch Subject: Re: What was the yellow thingy on 395 HOV??? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Yep. The real ones have JAP (James A. Prestwick) or Matchless V twins, but I saw a replica with a Honda CX500 motor at the 1999 Virginia British MC rally. I wonder what a Twin Cam 88 would look like on the front. As I understand it, there was a tax break (in jolly olde England) for motorcycles (defined in some dusty corner as having less than 4 wheels :)), and this contributed to the atractiveness of owning one of these beasties. Anyone remember War of the Roses? Rich Perry wrote... >It wasn't me, but that sounds like a Morgan 3-wheeler. >Or a replica. >British-built; basically a motorcycle drive train with >a roadster body. judy wrote... >What is/was it???????????? > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 17 14:32:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mh1.dot.gov (mh1.dot.gov [152.119.25.210]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0HJVxh29563 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 14:32:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from [152.119.25.55] by mh1.dot.gov with ESMTP; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 14:31:55 -0500 Received: by rspa-exchange.rspa.dot.gov with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 14:27:54 -0500 Message-Id: From: "Burger, Donald" To: "'Garcia Oliver'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: suzuki-l@XXXXXX Subject: RE: parts wanted: GS750/850 exhaust, old Honda threaded petcock Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 14:27:52 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Garcia If this is to fix a leaky petcock you might want to give this a try before you replace the whole petcock. This is a fairly common complaint on the Hawk list This is a non-factory approved fix from the Hawklist for a leaky petcock. The idea is to drill out the rivets and replace the internal O-ring and then reassemble with screws to hold the petcock together. This has been tested with several Hawklist members and seems to work fine. Certainly less costly than replacing the whole petcock which is the only other way of fixing it. You might try this first. Nothing to lose cause if you screw it up you needed a new petcock anyhow. Good luck Don B > -----Original Message----- > From: Garcia Oliver [SMTP:garicao@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 1973 2:20 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Cc: suzuki-l@XXXXXX > Subject: parts wanted: GS750/850 exhaust, old Honda threaded petcock > > > Hi...anyone have for sale/trade: (1) an exhaust for a '77-79 Suzuki GS750. > Not particular about style, color, appearance (if you see my bike, you > will understand). Lots of 4-into-1 pipes work (GS850, 1979 GS750L, 1978-9 > GS750E, maybe some others) but some of the 4-into-2 (e.g. stock 1979 > GS850) do not fit, as I have just discovered, despite parts book showing > otherwise. So 4-1 preferred. > > (2) The other item is a threaded petcock (screws into male gastank spigot > with a big coupling/compression nut) (btw, I finally figured out the "pet" > > part of the word petcock). Probably used on a bunch of old Hondas, ca. > early '70s-80s. Comes with either fine or coarse threads (naturally); I > need the fine threads. Not vacuum operated (i.e. tap has on/off/reserve > settings); may come with riveted (stupid design) or screw tap. > > Thanks. > > --garcia > > "It seemed like a good idea...at the time." > From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 17 14:39:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: from darius.concentric.net (darius.concentric.net [207.155.198.79]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0HJdbh29650 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 14:39:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mcfeely.concentric.net (mcfeely.concentric.net [207.155.198.83]) by darius.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id OAA21168; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 14:39:12 -0500 (EST) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Errors-To: Received: from david500 (w054.z064000083.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [64.0.83.54]) by mcfeely.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id OAA15900; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 14:39:08 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <001801c080bc$87291f40$36530040@blairdubilier.com> Reply-To: "Dave Cross" From: "Dave Cross" To: References: <20010117190229.29074.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> Subject: Re: For the observant Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 14:33:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 > > > apparently, nobody is observant, huh, Sean? well, here's a hint people...please help me congratulate Sean on his new ________. 400 Why the 400 and not an SV? Middleweight Sportsman? dave From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 17 14:51:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0HJpKh29885 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 14:51:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id f0HJv1c01837 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 14:57:01 -0500 From: Brian Roach Reply-To: roach@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: For the observant Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 14:57:01 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.95.2] Content-Type: text/plain References: <20010117190229.29074.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> <001801c080bc$87291f40$36530040@blairdubilier.com> In-Reply-To: <001801c080bc$87291f40$36530040@blairdubilier.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0101171457010S.13001@www.mostlyharmless.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Wed, 17 Jan 2001, you wrote: > Why the 400 and not an SV? Middleweight Sportsman? Because SV's suck and shouldn't even be in the LW classes? (oops, did I say that outloud?) Aside from that... you could buy two FZR400's for less than an SV... if you're just getting into racing it's a much cheaper way to go. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 17 14:56:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mailhub1.TRW.COM (mailhub1.TRW.COM [129.193.4.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0HJuTh29926 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 14:56:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from navieg1.trw.com by mailhub1.TRW.COM for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 11:55:00 -0800 Received: from RESVA-MS6.resva.trw.com ([158.114.112.204]) by navieg1 (NAVIEG 2.1 bld 63) with SMTP id M2001011711562816424 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 11:56:28 -0800 Received: from trw.com (dhcp183-61.fp.trw.com [129.193.183.61]) by RESVA-MS6.resva.trw.com; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 14:54:51 -0500 Message-Id: <3A65F854.EC58D12D@trw.com> Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 14:53:56 -0500 From: Randy Moran X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: For the observant References: <20010117190229.29074.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> <001801c080bc$87291f40$36530040@blairdubilier.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Only the chosen few can handle the awesome power and responsibility of racing the SV. The commitee met and decided the Sean was not prepared to follow the "one true path" as it were. Randy Dave Cross wrote: > > > > > apparently, nobody is observant, huh, Sean? well, here's a hint > people...please help me congratulate Sean on his new ________. > > 400 > > Why the 400 and not an SV? Middleweight Sportsman? > > dave From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 17 15:34:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mailhub1.TRW.COM (mailhub1.TRW.COM [129.193.4.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0HKYah00722 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 15:34:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from navieg1.trw.com by mailhub1.TRW.COM for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 12:34:12 -0800 Received: from RESVA-MS6.resva.trw.com ([158.114.112.204]) by navieg1 (NAVIEG 2.1 bld 63) with SMTP id M2001011712354027990 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 12:35:41 -0800 Received: from trw.com (dhcp183-61.fp.trw.com [129.193.183.61]) by RESVA-MS6.resva.trw.com; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 15:13:10 -0500 Message-Id: <3A65FC9F.B9A7378D@trw.com> Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 15:12:14 -0500 From: Randy Moran X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: For the observant References: <20010117190229.29074.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> <001801c080bc$87291f40$36530040@blairdubilier.com> <0101171457010S.13001@www.mostlyharmless.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Puh-leeze! Sv's only suck if "suck" means "very good." Now, if you were a young guy I might think you had actually used the term "suck" in some new, slangy way, kinda like "bad" can sometimes mean "good." But, since I know how very old you are now, I can only figure that you're a little disoriented or something. heheh. Randy Brian Roach wrote: > On Wed, 17 Jan 2001, you wrote: > > > Why the 400 and not an SV? Middleweight Sportsman? > > Because SV's suck and shouldn't even be in the LW classes? > > (oops, did I say that outloud?) > > Aside from that... you could buy two FZR400's for less than an SV... if > you're just getting into racing it's a much cheaper way to go. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 17 17:06:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (garicao@XXXXXX [151.200.199.10]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f0HM6Kh02273 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 17:06:20 -0500 (EST) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id RAA00822; Wed, 17 Jan 1973 17:13:41 -0500 Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1973 17:13:40 -0500 (EST) From: Garcia Oliver To: "Burger, Donald" cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, suzuki-l@XXXXXX Subject: RE: parts wanted: GS750/850 exhaust, old Honda threaded petcock In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Thanks, already tried that. Replacement rubber disk doesn't quite fit right, would prefer not to spend 2 more hours travelling to bike shop for another 50 cent part that may or may not work. --garcia "It seemed like a good idea...at the time." On Wed, 17 Jan 2001, Burger, Donald wrote: > Garcia > If this is to fix a leaky petcock you might want to give this a try before > you replace the whole petcock. This is a fairly common complaint on the > Hawk list > > This is a non-factory approved fix from the Hawklist for a leaky petcock. > The idea is to drill out the rivets and replace the internal O-ring and then > reassemble with screws to hold the petcock together. This has been tested > with several Hawklist members and seems to work fine. Certainly less costly > than replacing the whole petcock which is the only > other way of fixing it. You might try this first. Nothing to lose cause if > you screw it up you needed a new petcock anyhow. > > Good luck > Don B From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 17 17:21:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: from es05.hosts.jhmi.edu (es05.hosts.jhmi.edu [162.129.224.75]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0HML5h02530 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 17:21:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from peabody.jhu.edu (crash.peabody1.jhmi.edu [10.224.65.91]) by es05.hosts.jhmi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA13206 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 17:12:48 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3A661932.6415743A@peabody.jhu.edu> Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 17:14:11 -0500 From: "Steven C. Di Pietro" Organization: Peabody Institute of The Johns Hopkins University X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "D.C.Cycles-L" Subject: [Fwd: [Suzuki-bikes] Baltimore Bike Show] Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------F1630E6542E5E57E48BFE379" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------F1630E6542E5E57E48BFE379 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Y'all talkin' 'bout 'dem Bike Shows? Steve --------------F1630E6542E5E57E48BFE379 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from urquhart.worldstreaming.net ([12.28.14.53]) by smtp2.jhmi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA04320 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 17:53:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from urquhart.worldstreaming.net (IDENT:mailman@XXXXXX [127.0.0.1]) by urquhart.worldstreaming.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA13476; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 16:59:02 -0600 Received: from es05.hosts.jhmi.edu (es05.hosts.jhmi.edu [162.129.224.75]) by urquhart.worldstreaming.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA13469 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 16:58:07 -0600 Received: from peabody.jhu.edu (crash.peabody1.jhmi.edu [10.224.65.91]) by es05.hosts.jhmi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA25172; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 17:51:52 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3A64D0DA.2931B28D@peabody.jhu.edu> Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 17:53:15 -0500 From: "Steven C. Di Pietro" Organization: Peabody Institute of The Johns Hopkins University X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: swav8rx@XXXXXX CC: suzuki-bikes@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [Suzuki-bikes] Baltimore Bike Show References: <4.1.20010114113504.009a7750@pop6.attglobal.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: suzuki-bikes-admin@XXXXXX Errors-To: suzuki-bikes-admin@XXXXXX X-BeenThere: suzuki-bikes@XXXXXX X-Mailman-Version: 2.0beta5 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Suzuki Brand Motorcycles Mailing List X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 swav8rx@XXXXXX wrote: > Too cold to ride and a even greater desire not to finish any chores > led us to drive 2 hours + to the "International Bike Show". Also this > weekend was the Philadelphia show where all the manufacturers > sent their support trucks. (that was Clue #1). > > The entrance lines were long and slow, and taking a quick glance at > around we noticed that 3/4 of the group were wearing their best > Harley attire. (clue #2). After spending some cash to get a small > ticket that only gets exchanged 2 minutes later for an ink stamp > we found out why we were out numbered by the Harley shirts. > The Baltimore show should have been renamed "I can spend more > money on my custom Harley than you can Show". Over half > of the room was dedicated to these tricked up, never going to see > light outside of a closed environment bikes. Meanwhile crammed > in the other half were local dealers of all the other brands plus some > vintage Brit Iron. > > All was not lost, I did get to drool over the Aprilia's but that was about > it. The only interesting display was Senator Ben Nighthorse Campbell's (?) > custom Harley commissioned for the upcoming Presidential Inaugural Parade. > That > bike is a masterpiece on wheels. > > Not finding anything to spend our hard earned cash on, we retired to the > nearest > pub and then drove home. All in all, our 4 bike garage is far more interesting > than a "tricked up" harley show. Now if I can only learn to use the air > brush that > Santa brought me........ > > Sabrina > _______________________________________________ Sabrina, I was there too. I got there on Saturday, 'round 1:30. I dropped off about 300 flyers for the Suzuki Owners Club USA at the Suzuki dealership that was present. (Of all the Md. Suzuki Dealers, why did the event people bring in a dealer from Virginia?) I also set some out at the Info booth. It gave me a laugh seeing our flyer, "Suzuki Owners Club," on the table with all the "Harley Swap Meet" flyers. Sheesh. I found some cool stuff to buy. I picked up the Star Boys Video. (Can you say "Road Rash?") Wild! Preston even autographed a fee poster. I told him about our club after seeing some GSXR's becoming parts bikes in the video, and gave him a SOC-USA application. ;) I also found a dealer who was selling bike covers and stuff. I picked up there a wind proof, Polar Tec lined neck and upper chest warmer. Perfect for blocking the cold air that passes through zippers. At on of the Black Leather dealers I bought a Purple, pony tail holder. GO RAVENS! IT'S FESTIVUS MAXIMUS TIME!! It matches my Joe Rocket Ballistic jacket too. ;) I easily ignored the Never Ridden Harleys, The Over Priced Bike Trailers, and the Worlds Worst Beer, the Anheiser Bush's Busweiser. Steven C. Di Pietro Assistant National Director Suzuki Owners Club USA http://www.soc-usa.org _______________________________________________ Suzuki-bikes mailing list Suzuki-bikes@XXXXXX ** TO REMOVE YOURSELF FROM THE LIST GO TO THE FOLLOWING URL ** http://urquhart.worldstreaming.net/mailman/listinfo/suzuki-bikes --------------F1630E6542E5E57E48BFE379-- From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 17 18:33:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0HNX8h03644 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 18:33:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from 207-172-180-9.s9.tnt3.war.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.180.9] helo=oemcomputer) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14J24e-0001wv-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 18:33:05 -0500 Message-ID: <006101c080dd$e1776580$09b4accf@oemcomputer> From: "Danny Thompson" To: References: <20010117190229.29074.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> <001801c080bc$87291f40$36530040@blairdubilier.com> <0101171457010S.13001@www.mostlyharmless.net> <3A65FC9F.B9A7378D@trw.com> Subject: Re: For the observant Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 18:33:21 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 We all know that he must be having major brain cramps and confusion, it is always one of the first things to go on guys who turn 30 who race bikes other than SV's in the lightweight class. Just feel sorry for him, don't waste your breathe trying to explain it, or your time trying to help him, he is a lost cause now, no going back.... :) Danny '98 VTR '00 SV (For Sale) '99 SV (race bike) Novice #903 www.onewayracing.org Sponsored by: Shen Valley Trailers: www.shenvalleywarrenton.com, toll free @ 888-743-6825 Blalock Cycle: www.blalockcycle.com, 540-347-4591 ----- Original Message ----- From: Randy Moran To: Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 3:12 PM Subject: Re: For the observant > Puh-leeze! Sv's only suck if "suck" means "very good." Now, if you were a > young guy I might think you had actually used the term "suck" in some new, > slangy way, kinda like "bad" can sometimes mean "good." But, since I know > how very old you are now, I can only figure that you're a little > disoriented or something. > > heheh. > > Randy > > Brian Roach wrote: > > > On Wed, 17 Jan 2001, you wrote: > > > > > Why the 400 and not an SV? Middleweight Sportsman? > > > > Because SV's suck and shouldn't even be in the LW classes? > > > > (oops, did I say that outloud?) > > > > Aside from that... you could buy two FZR400's for less than an SV... if > > you're just getting into racing it's a much cheaper way to go. > From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 17 19:03:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0I036h04205 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 19:03:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from McKeithen@XXXXXX by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id a.81.5a7459b (3846); Wed, 17 Jan 2001 19:02:38 -0500 (EST) From: McKeithen@XXXXXX Message-ID: <81.5a7459b.27978c9d@aol.com> Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 19:02:37 EST Subject: Fwd: (Guzzi) ADVANCED RIDING RULES AND TIPS (Long) To: ALANRIBNER@XXXXXX, cb-750@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Kevrep96@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part1_81.5a7459b.27978c9d_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 28 --part1_81.5a7459b.27978c9d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --part1_81.5a7459b.27978c9d_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-xa04.mx.aol.com (rly-xa04.mail.aol.com [172.20.105.73]) by air-xa05.mail.aol.com (v77.31) with ESMTP; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 10:06:18 -0500 Received: from outmta008.topica.com (outmta008.topica.com [206.132.75.216]) by rly-xa04.mx.aol.com (v77.27) with ESMTP; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 10:05:56 -0500 To: MotoGuzzi@XXXXXX From: sgalvin@XXXXXX Subject: (Guzzi) ADVANCED RIDING RULES AND TIPS (Long) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 07:05:53 -0800 Message-ID: <0.2000001655.945128510-951758591-979743953@topica.com> Reply-To: sgalvin@XXXXXX X-Topica-Loop: 2000001655 Received: (qmail 5133 invoked by alias); 17 Jan 2001 15:05:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 5117 invoked by uid 0); 17 Jan 2001 15:05:50 -0000 Received: from warpspeed.megalink.net (205.243.60.4) by inmta008.topica.com with SMTP; 17 Jan 2001 15:05:50 -0000 Received: from [216.227.131.2] (account ) by warpspeed.megalink.net (CommuniGate Pro WebUser 3.3.1) with HTTP id 4521200 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 10:05:11 -0500 X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro Web Mailer v.3.3.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Thought I'd do some studying while the snows pilling up.8^) ADVANCED RIDING RULES AND TIPS Counter Steering If you push the left bar, the bike goes left. If you push the right bar, the bike goes right. That is, unless you keep pushing the right bar all the way, then you will probably go left while the bike swaps ends. Crashing Remember riding isn't inherently dangerous... crashing is. The Sidelines It's always better to be on the sidelines wishing you were on the track than on the track wishing you were on the sidelines. Fuel The ONLY time you have too much fuel is when you're on fire. The Rear Wheel The rear wheel is just a big fan used to keep the rider cool and his butt relaxed. If in doubt... watch. When it locks up or slides out you can actually see the rider start sweating and pucker marks are left on the seat. Too Slow No one has ever hit something too slow. Rides A 'good' ride is one you can walk away from. A 'great' ride is one you can walk away from and use the bike again. Getting Hit They can't hit you if you're not there. Mistakes Learn from the mistakes of others. You won't live long enough to make all of them yourself. Side Stands You know you've left the side stand down when all left turns are Bat-turns. Center Stands You know you've left the center stand down when you're in top gear at 4000 rpm going nowhere. Traction When traction is sparse, the probability of survival is inversely proportional to the angle of lean. Large angle of lean, small probability of survival and vice versa. Your Brain Never let a motorcycle take you somewhere your brain didn't go five seconds earlier. Fog Stay out of fog. The single red taillight you think is another rider ahead that you can catch, might be the red starboard light of a docked boat. Parking Always try to keep the number of times you park the bike equal to the number of times you've ridden it. Luck & Experience You start with a bag full of luck and an empty bag of experience. The trick is to fill the bag of experience before you empty the bag of luck. Mirrors If all you can see in your mirrors is the direction you were previously traveling intermingled with sparks, and all you can hear is commotion from the passenger riding pillion; things are not at all as they should be. Other Objects In the ongoing battle between objects made of metal, rubber and plastic going dozens of miles per hour, and the ground going zero miles per hour, the ground has yet to lose. Same holds for cars, trucks, walls and most animals. Draws don't count. Judgment Good judgment comes from experience. Unfortunately, experience usually comes from bad judgment. Going Forward It's always a good idea to keep the headlight end going forward as much as possible. Looking Keep looking around. There's always something you've missed. Laws Remember, gravity and centrifugal force are not just good ideas. They're laws not subject to repeal. Peace Steve Galvin ------------------------------------------------ Info/subscribe: www.inet-Rendezvous.com/MGNOC/maillist.html To Unsubscribe: send a blank email to motoguzzi-unsubscribe@XXXXXX ____________________________________________________________ T O P I C A -- Learn More. Surf Less. Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Topics You Choose. http://www.topica.com/partner/tag01 --part1_81.5a7459b.27978c9d_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 17 19:19:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r17.mx.aol.com (imo-r17.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.71]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0I0JYh04534 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 19:19:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from FGrefe@XXXXXX by imo-r17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id 2.9b.fa59a27 (4265) for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 19:19:13 -0500 (EST) From: FGrefe@XXXXXX Message-ID: <9b.fa59a27.27979081@aol.com> Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 19:19:13 EST Subject: What's Brain McCoy's e-mail To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 127 I think I got his name right. He's the one who went to MMI. Fred Grefe GTS1000 From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 17 19:43:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f7.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.7]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0I0hRh04940 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 19:43:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 16:43:20 -0800 Received: from 209.70.39.9 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 00:43:19 GMT X-Originating-IP: [209.70.39.9] From: "Perry Coleman" To: FGrefe@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: What's Brain McCoy's e-mail Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 19:43:19 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Jan 2001 00:43:20.0228 (UTC) FILETIME=[A77ECE40:01C080E7] Actually, it's Brian, not Brain, but that's the guy. Sorry, I don't have his e-mail address, though. Perry >From: FGrefe@XXXXXX >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: What's Brain McCoy's e-mail >Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 19:19:13 EST > >I think I got his name right. He's the one who went to MMI. > >Fred Grefe >GTS1000 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 17 19:56:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: from pollux.nevada.edu (ward@XXXXXX [131.216.1.217]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0I0uFh05101 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 19:56:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (ward@localhost) by pollux.nevada.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA23115 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 16:56:12 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: pollux.nevada.edu: ward owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 16:56:12 -0800 (PST) From: "Aaron S. Ward" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: 4 hour parking = all day for free? In-Reply-To: <200101180001.f0I015d04102@dirty.meretrix.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hello all, I work in DC, and from my office window I can see a motorcycle parking spot. It's on the corner of New York Avenue NW and 13th ST, in front of a McDonalds. Anyway, I went up and saw that the sign by the spot said 4 hour parking for motorcycles at such and such times of the day (7:30am to 6:30pm I think). Well, a red Buell and some other Harley cruiser usually park there ALL DAY so I figure they aren't getting ticketed for parking illegally right? Besides, who is to say they aren't parking for 3.99999 hours, driving to lunch, then parking for another 3.9999 hours right? Couldn't you stop by there and nudge the bike a few inches so technically you aren't parked, and just do that every 3.999 hours? I want to know because it would be nice to ride my bike to work instead of spending $6 per day to ride the Metro after bicycling to the station for 20 minutes and spending an hour. Not that I know how to drive to DC from Vienna without going on 66 and spending, what, 3 hours in traffic? I just like options. So what is the deal with this 4 hour motorcycle parking? It's like a little corner that can't quite fit a car, but could fit maybe 4 bikes. Thanks for any info, Aaron __________________________________________________________________________ Aaron S. Ward ward@XXXXXX Whatever happens, remember it's the journey, not the destination From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 17 19:59:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0I0xAh05185 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 19:59:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from 207-172-180-9.s9.tnt3.war.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.180.9] helo=oemcomputer) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14J3Pw-0000pS-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 19:59:08 -0500 Message-ID: <00b401c080e9$e70d07a0$09b4accf@oemcomputer> From: "Danny Thompson" To: References: Subject: Re: What's Brain McCoy's e-mail Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 19:59:23 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 You can contact him through Traxxion Dynamics, http://www.traxxion.com/. Danny '98 VTR '00 SV (For Sale) '99 SV (race bike) Novice #903 www.onewayracing.org Sponsored by: Shen Valley Trailers: www.shenvalleywarrenton.com, toll free @ 888-743-6825 Blalock Cycle: www.blalockcycle.com, 540-347-4591 ----- Original Message ----- From: Perry Coleman To: ; Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 7:43 PM Subject: Re: What's Brain McCoy's e-mail > Actually, it's Brian, not Brain, but that's the guy. Sorry, I don't have his > e-mail address, though. > > Perry > > >From: FGrefe@XXXXXX > >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >Subject: What's Brain McCoy's e-mail > >Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 19:19:13 EST > > > >I think I got his name right. He's the one who went to MMI. > > > >Fred Grefe > >GTS1000 > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 17 20:38:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r20.mx.aol.com (imo-r20.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.162]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0I1cFh05829 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 20:38:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from FGrefe@XXXXXX by imo-r20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id i.86.5a78270 (4560); Wed, 17 Jan 2001 20:37:23 -0500 (EST) From: FGrefe@XXXXXX Message-ID: <86.5a78270.2797a2d2@aol.com> Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 20:37:22 EST Subject: Re: What's Brain McCoy's e-mail To: perrycoleman@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 127 > Actually, it's Brian, not Brain, but that's the guy. Damn these dyslexic fingers! Fred From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 17 22:23:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail.rdc1.md.home.com (imail@XXXXXX [24.2.2.66]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0I3NPh07497 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 22:23:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from cj117103a ([24.6.106.133]) by mail.rdc1.md.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20010118032323.CCAR10139.mail.rdc1.md.home.com@cj117103a>; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 19:23:23 -0800 Message-ID: <000901c080f6$a91af440$856a0618@alex1.va.home.com> Reply-To: "James Reazor" From: "James Reazor" To: , References: <20010117190229.29074.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> <001801c080bc$87291f40$36530040@blairdubilier.com> <0101171457010S.13001@www.mostlyharmless.net> Subject: Re: For the observant Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 21:30:44 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 OK Roach... dem's fightin' words. I'm sure Mr. Thompson will tell you how rabid some of the guys and girls on the SV Rider list are. If you're not careful I'll give your e-mail address to them and that would just get ugly. You'd have to move, change your name and they'd still find you eventually. -James SV650 > Because SV's suck and shouldn't even be in the LW classes? > > (oops, did I say that outloud?) > > Aside from that... you could buy two FZR400's for less than an SV... if > you're just getting into racing it's a much cheaper way to go. > > - Roach > From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 17 22:29:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: from 4n2nd_exchange.csj.gov ([156.39.160.27]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0I3Tuh07606 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 22:29:57 -0500 (EST) Received: by 4N2ND_EXCHANGE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 19:12:45 -0800 Message-ID: <116CA0BEC372D311BBC9006097BEBB582AE4DE@ESDEXCHANGE> From: "Dimond, Ellen" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Help! Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 19:20:00 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi, I was wondering if you would help me--I am planning to relocate from San Jose, California to Montgomery County in the spring. I ride a Honda PC800. I hoped you would know: what are the good touring routes in Montgomery, Howard, Carroll and Frederick counties--would you name a few? Are there any local favorite rides? (Out here we have several dozen well-known favorite routes--I'd just like to know that there are a few in Maryland. I will get more detail once I'm there, but I need to know what areas to look at.) Any web sites or chat rooms that cover what the greater Maryland area has to offer in the way of good touring rides? I'd also appreciate the opportunity to share info with other riders to find out what winterizing riders do out there for their bikes, how many days a year you can ride, what are the hazards (black ice, leaves, etc.)--any ideas on where I could get info like that? Any help, suggestions, or referrals to other information sources that you could give me would be much appreciated. If you're able to answer, I'll be grateful to you for your time. (But I understand if you don't have time!) Thanks a lot, ecdimond@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 17 23:33:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f139.pav1.hotmail.com [64.4.31.139]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0I4XNZ00820 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 23:33:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 20:15:11 -0800 Received: from 165.247.85.182 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 04:15:11 GMT X-Originating-IP: [165.247.85.182] From: "Doug Allis" To: Ellen.Dimond@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Help! Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 04:15:11 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Jan 2001 04:15:11.0544 (UTC) FILETIME=[4007B380:01C08105] Ellen: As a fellow PC-800 rider, I'd say that you found the right place to get your answers. Subscribe to the DC Cycles list. The best touring routes are west of DC... Starting in Montgomery County along the Potomac River up into Maryland, West Virginia and back into western Virginia. Its all pretty close and the terrain is gentle mountains to the west, flat to the east -- all the way to Ocean City Maryland, a good three hours away. There are some OK roads east of town, but clearly the best rides are to the west. Decent day rides are an hour away. WVA, western Maryland and PA are some of the best weekend trips. In season (late March to early November, depending on weather) there are informal rides organized for most Saturdays through the DC Cycles list. Plus there is a pretty good group of racers and race fans who make fairly regular trips to local tracks. Best local to long distance rides are to the west: the Shanandoah National Park (Skyline Drive), Rt 211, Rt 50, Rt 55, Rt 33, the Blue Ridge Parkway to the Great Smokey Mountains (several hundred miles), and any paved non-interstate in WVA! What we do to deal with winter depends on which choice you take. Many riders consider DC winters to be "fairly mild" so they ride thru the winter, except on the few days it snows or ices. I commute on my PC on all but the days it snows. So far I've left my bike home once and at the office once due to weather. But if you don't like cold you can winterize. Fill up the tank, put gas stabilizer in, change the oil, put the battery on a tender. Some people spray oil into the spark plug holes to prevent rust. All you have to remember about riding in winter is that you never want to be caught on ice. Black or otherwise. Around here hard packed snow might as well be ice. It is OK to ride if it's raining. Its OK if it's below freezing. BUT It's NOT OK if it's raining (or snowing) AND below freezing! Doug Allis DHAllis@XXXXXX >From: "Dimond, Ellen" >To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" >Subject: Help! >Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 19:20:00 -0800 > >Hi, > >I was wondering if you would help me--I am planning to relocate from San >Jose, California to Montgomery County in the spring. > >I ride a Honda PC800. > >I hoped you would know: what are the good touring routes in Montgomery, >Howard, Carroll and Frederick counties--would you name a few? > >Are there any local favorite rides? (Out here we have several dozen >well-known favorite routes--I'd just like to know that there are a few in >Maryland. I will get more detail once I'm there, but I need to know what >areas to look at.) > >Any web sites or chat rooms that cover what the greater Maryland area has >to >offer in the way of good touring rides? > >I'd also appreciate the opportunity to share info with other riders to find >out what winterizing riders do out there for their bikes, how many days a >year you can ride, what are the hazards (black ice, leaves, etc.)--any >ideas >on where I could get info like that? > >Any help, suggestions, or referrals to other information sources that you >could give me would be much appreciated. If you're able to answer, I'll be >grateful to you for your time. (But I understand if you don't have time!) > >Thanks a lot, > >ecdimond@XXXXXX _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 18 09:49:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0IEnRp09718 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 09:49:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id f0I6umc02790; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 01:56:48 -0500 From: Brian Roach Reply-To: roach@XXXXXX To: Subject: Re: For the observant Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 01:56:48 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.95.2] Content-Type: text/plain References: <20010117190229.29074.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> <0101171457010S.13001@www.mostlyharmless.net> <000901c080f6$a91af440$856a0618@alex1.va.home.com> In-Reply-To: <000901c080f6$a91af440$856a0618@alex1.va.home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0101180156480V.13001@www.mostlyharmless.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Wed, 17 Jan 2001, James Reazor wrote: > OK Roach... dem's fightin' words. I'm sure Mr. Thompson will tell you how > rabid some of the guys and girls on the SV Rider list are. If you're not > careful I'll give your e-mail address to them and that would just get ugly. > You'd have to move, change your name and they'd still find you eventually. Already went through that on the WERA BBS last year :) ::shrug:: Winning both D-Superbike and Formula-2 on my FZR400RR was vindication :) In all seriousness, the SV is a great bike... low price, great handling, etc. It just really screwed up lightweight racing. It wasn't fast/powerfull enough for middleweight, but it's got more HP in SuperStock form than a built FZR400/Hawk/EX500 superbike. This effectivly has turned Lightweight racing into SV racing. The problem is that it doesn't fit in either catagory. Most SV racers you talk to will tell you the reason the SV is better is that it's "new technology". What they conveniently ignore is that it's allowed an over 50% displacement advantage in WERA D-Superbike, and if you do the math the thing does not compare well to other modern twins in the cc-to-hp department (or even the FZR400 if the "standard" rule of +33% displacement for twins was used and you adjust the numbers). Because the SV is the only raceable "lightweight" bike (i.e. not a 600) imported in the last 10 years, it was decided that it would be better to allow it into LW racing and get some new bikes out on the track. Add to that the fact that Suzuki was shoveling contingency money at people to race them and you have the death of the FZR and Hawk on the race track. In effect, the term "lightweight" was redefined to mean "SV650". CCS has thrown out an Olive branch and allowed the FZR into their "sportsman" classes this year - this makes sense. If you make a bike non-competative in it's main class, then it should be allowed into the "last chance" class that all club-level racing orgs have. This is the home of things like the EX500, the Hawk, the old air-cooled 600's etc. WERA has decided that the FZR will not be allowed into "clubman" (their equivalent), and IMHO that sucks. The argument given is that the FZR would beat the bikes in the class... but that's exactly what happened in D-Superbike by allowing the SV - complete hypocracy. On top of THAT... the thing also runs LW twins, and dominates that class. The only guys beating SVs on FZR's were people like me who spent obscene amounts of money to build FZR superbikes well beyond the "norm" for the class. Anyone else has little chance as the SV is easier to ride, has gobs of torque, and more horsepower... all without touching the motor (jet kit and pipe). ::shrug:: I built the RR to beat SV's.... and I did that. But It sucks for people who didn't have the money to drop either $9k on a new SV (bike + suspension + bodywork + etc + etc) or $5k on a superbike motor for their 400 (which will only last once season at that level of tune then need to be rebuilt). Just my opinion of course. I almost switched to CCS this year because Laura is going to be running my old 400 and CCS has a better class structure. The only thing that kept me with WERA is that I would miss the people I've gotten to know and race with every weekend. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 18 10:01:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f36.pav1.hotmail.com [64.4.31.36]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0IF0pp10296 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 10:00:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 05:38:33 -0800 Received: from 151.200.109.94 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 13:38:33 GMT X-Originating-IP: [151.200.109.94] From: "Todd Peer" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: 73 CB-750 Horn Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 08:38:33 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Jan 2001 13:38:33.0903 (UTC) FILETIME=[F3CE5BF0:01C08153] Try turning the "Pitch" adjusting screw on the backside of the horn assembly. Carl brings up a good point about rust. Over time, the filament that vibrates siezes against this adjusting screw. A little WD-40 and working it loose helps most of the time. If that doesn't work, and all you are interested in is a replacement horn, Trak-Auto Pep-Boys and other autoparts marts sell FIAMMs. They usually bolt up and work fine with existing wiring. On the other hand, the CB750 email list may be able to help you with stock replacement. Todd >From: "Custer, Carl" > >Erick Singley queried, "the horn on my 73' cb-750 isn't working at the >moment. (Hopefully, I can just find a frayed wire with a volt-meter). In >the past month, or so, someone posted a particular loud horn -- if I can't >get these working, can you recall what that was?" >PepBoys seem to have the best prices on aftermarket horns, both air and >electric. >In addition to the Fiammes and Blasters, they have electric Fiammes that >look like some stockers if that's important. > >A 1973 horn may be just rusted up instead of corroded internal wires. If >the >magnet won't move, it won't beep. >Garcia or another lister may have a used stock replacement. > >Carl in Bethesda _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 18 10:28:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kafka.net.nih.gov (kafka.net.nih.gov [165.112.130.10]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0IFS2p11188 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 10:28:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from [128.231.204.107] (pk.niaaa.nih.gov [128.231.204.107]) by kafka.net.nih.gov (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f0IFRwx22754 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 10:27:58 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 10:30:05 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Erick Singley Subject: Re: 73 CB-750 Horn Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >Try turning the "Pitch" adjusting screw on the backside of the horn >assembly. Carl brings up a good point about rust. Over time, the >filament that vibrates siezes against this adjusting screw. A >little WD-40 and working it loose helps most of the time. The gent who sold it to me said it had been working before he took the tank off to do some other work. None of the wires are *loose* but some look like they've been twist spliced together from several smaller pieces of wire. On the other hand, it's been sitting for a little while while he's been riding his other (I think) so it may be that it's seized up, like you and others have mentioned. I'm going to retrieve it from the inspection station today and see if I can get it fixed today (and back in the inspection queue). I'll try that WB-40 suggestion as well. Thanks! >If that doesn't work, and all you are interested in is a replacement >horn, Trak-Auto Pep-Boys and other autoparts marts sell FIAMMs. >They usually bolt up and work fine with existing wiring. Thanks again to Mike Troutman who also told me about the Fiamms. The page I mentioned to him doesn't work today, but I found a similar one (http://www.palmtop.net/fiamm.html) that lists part numbers from pep-boys. (with wiring diagrams and stuff) >On the other hand, the CB750 email list may be able to help you with >stock replacement. I'm not entirely surprised, but there's a CB-750 mailing list? (after searching the web for such a beast) Is the one at http://www.egroups.com/group/cb-750/fullinfo.html the one you mean? I may have mentioned I'm a green rider and can use all the tidbits I can get... (like knowing about the idle adjustment wheel so it doesn't cut out in colder weather) >Todd > Erick From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 18 13:12:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: from cmr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net (cmr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net [198.5.241.38]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0IICtp14040 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 13:12:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from imr3.ash.ops.us.uu.net by cmr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: imr3.ash.ops.us.uu.net [153.39.43.47]) id QQjyno15858 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 18:12:53 GMT Received: from [153.39.168.51] by imr3.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: macsupport10.corp.us.uu.net [153.39.168.51]) id QQjyno01953; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 18:12:28 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: sjordan@XXXXXX Message-Id: Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 13:12:28 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, tphilip@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: My eBay auction Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sorry for the non-moto content. (Well, non motorcycle anyways.) I am selling a set of recaro seats on eBay. Bidding starts at $1.00 and there's no reserve. Get a nice set of sports-car style seats for your ride! http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=544774764 Thanks. -- "For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the skillful defiance of it." -Ernest Becker (1924-1974) Sean Jordan '93 Honda CBR1000F (Street) '90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race) WERA Novice #230 From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 18 14:38:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web11203.mail.yahoo.com (web11203.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.185]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f0IJcKp15241 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 14:38:20 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20010118193816.86653.qmail@web11203.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [153.2.246.10] by web11203.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 11:38:16 PST Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 11:38:16 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Rosenstock Subject: Fairing To: DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hello everyone- I have a fairing/windshield for sale. I originally bought it for my Suzuki GS500E, but never bothered to install it. Overall size is approximately 17" wide and 27" tall. It is 3/16" acrylic with a clear top that graduates to full smoke at the bottom. It is designed to fit bikes with a round headlight and handlebars up to 7/8" thick. I have digital photos available. $40 for the windshield and all parts. I live in B-more, but spend most of my weekends in Montgomery County, so delivery is quite possible around the NOVA, Mont County, DC areas. If anyone is interested, please contact me off list. Thanks, Matt __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 18 15:13:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: from pmesmtp01.wcom.com (pmesmtp01.wcom.com [199.249.20.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0IKDgp15752 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 15:13:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42256) id <0G7D00D01K4LXQ@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 20:12:21 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp04.wcomnet.com ([166.38.62.39]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42256) with ESMTP id <0G7D00040K4KWL@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 20:12:20 +0000 (GMT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by pmismtp04.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) id <0G7D00601K4KMA@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 20:12:20 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp04.wcomnet.com by pmismtp04.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with SMTP id <0G7D00601K4CKX@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 20:12:20 +0000 (GMT) Received: from chan3544t ([166.36.153.47]) by pmismtp04.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with SMTP id <0G7D000JFK3YMV@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 20:11:59 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 15:11:50 -0500 From: Robert Verde Subject: Northern VA paint shop suggestions? To: "DC Cycles (E-mail)" Reply-to: c-Robert.Verde@XXXXXX Message-id: <003901c0818a$e57eb450$2f9924a6@wcomnet.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal I have a rear cowling and a helmet that I would like painted to match the bike, one color, nothing fancy. Any lister recommendations for paint shops that accept small such jobs, and do good/reasonable work? Thanks in advance, Robert Verde From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 18 15:25:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: from johnson.mail.mindspring.net (johnson.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.177]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0IKPYp15942 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 15:25:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va14-01.ix.netcom.com [207.223.178.193]) by johnson.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA07564; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 15:25:16 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3A67516C.E31077F6@ix.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 15:26:20 -0500 From: Chuck Pena Reply-To: the_penas@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: c-Robert.Verde@XXXXXX CC: "DC Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: Re: Northern VA paint shop suggestions? References: <003901c0818a$e57eb450$2f9924a6@wcomnet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Noah at Better Off Bodyworks (703) 441-1625 He's down in Triangle, VA. If you talk to him, please let him know you heard about him from Chuck. If you want to see pics of his re-paint of my '93 GSX-R750, go to www.geocities.com/the_penas/chux_gsxr.htm Robert Verde wrote: > > I have a rear cowling and a helmet that I would like painted to match the > bike, one color, nothing fancy. Any lister recommendations for paint shops > that accept small such jobs, and do good/reasonable work? > > Thanks in advance, > > Robert Verde From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 18 15:49:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0IKn3p16333 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 15:49:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id f0IKspc03826; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 15:54:51 -0500 From: Brian Roach Reply-To: roach@XXXXXX To: Robert Verde , "DC Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: Re: Northern VA paint shop suggestions? Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 15:54:51 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.95.2] Content-Type: text/plain References: <003901c0818a$e57eb450$2f9924a6@wcomnet.com> In-Reply-To: <003901c0818a$e57eb450$2f9924a6@wcomnet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0101181554510Z.13001@www.mostlyharmless.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Thu, 18 Jan 2001, Robert Verde wrote: > I have a rear cowling and a helmet that I would like painted to match the > bike, one color, nothing fancy. Any lister recommendations for paint shops > that accept small such jobs, and do good/reasonable work? Not to upstage Chuck, but I gotta throw in my sponsor plug! SpeedWerks in Camden, DE. 302-370-0102. Ask for Steve Long and please let him know I sent ya from the DC-Cycles list. You can check out some samples of his work on http://www.speedwerks.com - Roach From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 18 16:00:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0IL0hp16570 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 16:00:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id f0IL6Vc03864; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 16:06:32 -0500 From: Brian Roach Reply-To: roach@XXXXXX To: Brian Roach , Robert Verde , "DC Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: Re: Northern VA paint shop suggestions? Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 16:06:31 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.95.2] Content-Type: text/plain References: <003901c0818a$e57eb450$2f9924a6@wcomnet.com> <0101181554510Z.13001@www.mostlyharmless.net> In-Reply-To: <0101181554510Z.13001@www.mostlyharmless.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01011816063110.13001@www.mostlyharmless.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Thu, 18 Jan 2001, Brian Roach wrote: > SpeedWerks in Camden, DE. 302-370-0102. Ok, that's what I get for drinking too much coffee today... SpeedWerks - 302-697-7043 - Roach From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 18 16:08:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0IL8Op16678 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 16:08:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id f0ILEFc03919; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 16:14:15 -0500 From: Brian Roach Reply-To: roach@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Northern VA paint shop suggestions? Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 16:14:15 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.95.2] Content-Type: text/plain References: <003901c0818a$e57eb450$2f9924a6@wcomnet.com> <0101181554510Z.13001@www.mostlyharmless.net> <01011816063110.13001@www.mostlyharmless.net> In-Reply-To: <01011816063110.13001@www.mostlyharmless.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01011816133611.13001@www.mostlyharmless.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Robert Verde Ok... no more posting today for the speed freak. The CORRECT URL is... http://www.speed-werks.com - Roach From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 18 16:08:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hall.mail.mindspring.net (hall.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0IL8tp16688 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 16:08:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va14-01.ix.netcom.com [207.223.178.193]) by hall.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA24783; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 16:08:42 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3A675B9B.DB9F0DF@ix.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 16:09:47 -0500 From: Chuck Pena Reply-To: the_penas@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: roach@XXXXXX CC: "DC Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: Re: Northern VA paint shop suggestions? References: <003901c0818a$e57eb450$2f9924a6@wcomnet.com> <0101181554510Z.13001@www.mostlyharmless.net> <01011816063110.13001@www.mostlyharmless.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm going to tell your sponsor you've been giving out the phone number for the local Maaco! %^) Brian Roach wrote: > > On Thu, 18 Jan 2001, Brian Roach wrote: > > > SpeedWerks in Camden, DE. 302-370-0102. > > Ok, that's what I get for drinking too much coffee today... > > SpeedWerks - 302-697-7043 > > - Roach From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 18 16:44:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0ILiGp17211 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 16:44:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id m.d2.13308e5 (15900); Thu, 18 Jan 2001 16:43:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from web33.aolmail.aol.com (web33.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.222.9]) by air-id09.mx.aol.com (v77_r1.13) with ESMTP; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 16:43:50 -0500 Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 16:43:50 EST From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Northern VA paint shop suggestions? To: , , Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: I second that suggestion. ;-) Calm down Roach. Even though Bush is getting sworn in in a couple days, doesn't mean you have to start getting jittery. LOL Scooter In a message dated Thu, 18 Jan 2001 4:09:26 PM Eastern Standard Time, Brian Roach writes: << Ok... no more posting today for the speed freak. The CORRECT URL is... http://www.speed-werks.com - Roach >> From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 18 16:44:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h003.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.167]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f0ILiTp17221 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 16:44:30 -0500 (EST) Received: (cpmta 4109 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2001 13:44:20 -0800 Date: 18 Jan 2001 13:44:20 -0800 Message-ID: <20010118214420.4108.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 18 Jan 2001 21:44:20 GMT Received: from [205.229.56.13] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 18 Jan 2001 13:44:20 PST Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: roach@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: roach@XXXXXX, c-Robert.Verde@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.8.1.2 Subject: Re: Northern VA paint shop suggestions? > > Ok, that's what I get for drinking too much coffee today... Ummm, I could be wrong, but maybe you haven't reached your daily quota of coffee yet, hon. ;-) LAG ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 18 16:51:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: from ws3.us2.outblaze.com (ws3.us2.outblaze.com [208.184.211.199]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f0ILpDp17377 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 16:51:14 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 31161 invoked by uid 1001); 18 Jan 2001 21:51:05 -0000 Message-ID: <20010118215105.31160.qmail@theglobe.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.117) From: "Matthew Patton" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 16:51:01 -0500 Subject: Motorcycling day in DC - Jan 25th http://www.2wf.com/html/2001News/20010115BikeDay.shtml -- _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://mail.theglobe.com Powered by Outblaze From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 18 16:53:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: from ws3.us2.outblaze.com (ws3.us2.outblaze.com [208.184.211.199]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f0ILrhp17387 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 16:53:43 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 32078 invoked by uid 1001); 18 Jan 2001 21:53:42 -0000 Message-ID: <20010118215342.32077.qmail@theglobe.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.117) From: "Matthew Patton" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 16:53:41 -0500 Subject: OOPS!! MC day sorry about that. It's washington STATE, not dc. -- _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://mail.theglobe.com Powered by Outblaze From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 18 17:09:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web512.mail.yahoo.com (web512.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.227]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f0IM9Vp17626 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 17:09:31 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20010118220928.1680.qmail@web512.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.219.157.35] by web512.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 14:09:28 PST Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 14:09:28 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Northern VA paint shop suggestions? To: LAURA GRANATO , roach@XXXXXX Cc: roach@XXXXXX, c-Robert.Verde@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- LAURA GRANATO wrote: > > > > Ok, that's what I get for drinking too much coffee > today... > > Ummm, I could be wrong, but maybe you haven't reached > your daily quota of coffee yet, hon. ;-) jesus....with all the footsie that's been goin' on between these two of late i'd say we might be looking at the next tom & jeannette this ain't the place for romance, goddammit! enough! -- tg;) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 18 17:15:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d07.mx.aol.com (imo-d07.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.39]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0IMFSp17762 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 17:15:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo-d07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id 6.f3.6ae6862 (5712); Thu, 18 Jan 2001 17:14:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from web47.aolmail.aol.com (web47.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.8]) by air-id04.mx.aol.com (v77_r1.13) with ESMTP; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 17:14:58 -0500 Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 17:14:58 EST From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Subject: Re: OOPS!! MC day To: Cc: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: I was startin to wonder about that. I don't remember anything like that happening in DC before. Maybe you and Roach both better cut back on the coffee. ;-) Scooter In a message dated Thu, 18 Jan 2001 4:54:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, "Matthew Patton" writes: << sorry about that. It's washington STATE, not dc. -- _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://mail.theglobe.com Powered by Outblaze >> From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 18 17:17:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r09.mx.aol.com (imo-r09.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.9]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0IMHIp17772 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 17:17:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo-r09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id r.28.1001ff0d (15908); Thu, 18 Jan 2001 17:16:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from web27.aolmail.aol.com (web27.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.222.3]) by air-id09.mx.aol.com (v77_r1.13) with ESMTP; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 17:16:48 -0500 Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 17:16:48 EST From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Northern VA paint shop suggestions? To: , , Cc: , , Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: <28.1001ff0d.2798c550@aol.com> Whatta ya mean "looking at"? I'd say we're already there. They just haven't made it "official" yet like Tom & Jeanette. ;-) Come on you two, get a room. Don't make me get the hose. LOL Scooter In a message dated Thu, 18 Jan 2001 5:10:48 PM Eastern Standard Time, Tom Gimer writes: << --- LAURA GRANATO wrote: > > > > Ok, that's what I get for drinking too much coffee > today... > > Ummm, I could be wrong, but maybe you haven't reached > your daily quota of coffee yet, hon. ;-) jesus....with all the footsie that's been goin' on between these two of late i'd say we might be looking at the next tom & jeannette this ain't the place for romance, goddammit! enough! -- tg;) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ >> From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 18 17:33:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web512.mail.yahoo.com (web512.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.227]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f0IMXMp17977 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 17:33:23 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20010118223320.4916.qmail@web512.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.219.157.35] by web512.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 14:33:20 PST Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 14:33:20 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Jupiter's Travels again To: Hugh Caldwell , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Hugh Caldwell wrote: > On Fri, 12 Jan 2001, Tom Gimer wrote: > > > thanks for this, hugh.... i will definitely be checking > > in on ted's progress, because i'll be stuck behind a > > f*cking desk dreaming of getting out on a long trip > > (hopefully a 2-weeker in july/august) > > > > how are your plans coming for the 6 month tour? > > > Todd Peer has expressed some interest in coming along > and with the potential down turn in the economy I may be > putting it off for a year. Hopefully I'll be picking up a > sidecar rig in a couple of months. I drove down to VA > Beach on Dec 23 to test ride a URAL after making an > appointment the previous Thursday and after driving for > 4.5 hours I got their to find out the bastards > where closed! Those aholes wont be getting my $9k that's > for damn sure. wow! i don't blame you. and, i'm very happy to hear that you didn't plop down $9k on a ural, when the perfect bike for your voyage will only cost you $3k. i'm referring to an xr600 or its equivalent. i'm still jealous. i'm not even allowed to think about 6 month trips anymore :( and the odds of my completing the dakar (life-long dream) are pretty darn ugly. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 18 18:59:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0INxHp19208 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 18:59:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-239.patriot.net [209.249.180.239]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f0INx5717356; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 18:59:06 -0500 Message-ID: <3A678221.127B061F@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 18:54:09 -0500 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tom Gimer CC: LAURA GRANATO , roach@XXXXXX, c-Robert.Verde@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Northern VA paint shop suggestions? References: <20010118220928.1680.qmail@web512.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tom Gimer wrote: > jesus....with all the footsie that's been goin' on between > these two of late i'd say we might be looking at the next > tom & jeannette > > this ain't the place for romance, goddammit! enough! > Speak for yourself, gimer How about pictures! Videotapes! Yeah! Bill From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 18 20:43:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.picturecenter.kodak.com (smtp1.picturecenter.kodak.com [63.215.193.151]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0J1hFp20827 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 20:43:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from web3.prv.sun1.lightsurf.net (web3.prv.sun1.lightsurf.net [10.102.10.73]) by smtp1.picturecenter.kodak.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f0J1gib28528; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 17:42:44 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <192360.979868539501.JavaMail.root@web3.prv.sun1.lightsurf.net> Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 17:42:19 -0800 (PST) From: the_penas@XXXXXX To: chris_vtr@XXXXXX, roach@XXXXXX, gbraunst@XXXXXX, lgranato@XXXXXX, robkeiser@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, imark_markh@XXXXXX, mhershon@XXXXXX, gsjcb1@XXXXXX, the_penas@XXXXXX Subject: Picture Album Share Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=8030754.979868539498.JavaMail.root.web3.prv.sun1.lightsurf.net --8030754.979868539498.JavaMail.root.web3.prv.sun1.lightsurf.net Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings from Chuck! You are invited to come see the latest pictures in my photo album, G7WNNWJRFR, at the KODAK Picture Center online at CVS.com: Subject: Photo album pics from Philly Intl MC Show Message: If I did this right, this should be an invitation to view my online album of pics I took from the Philly Intl MC Show. FYI, I used 800 speed film in my little Olympus Stylus point-and-shoot -- a couple of the pics are "dark" because they were taken with just the ambient lighting; the pics that are brighter used the fill-in flash. The album expires on 02/15/01. Chuck Click the link below to view the album. Check out the guestbook to see what my other guests are saying, and leave me a note, too! You can get prints or other great picture items using the pictures in the album. Just click the "Buy this Picture" button in the Slideshow. Click here to view my album: http://picturecenter.kodak.com/share?invite=vTtrErfz4hx4JysP7nUYTagY8zQa0Obe AOL user? Click the link below: http://picturecenter.kodak.com/share?invite=vTtrErfz4hx4JysP7nUYTagY8zQa0Obe (Or copy and paste the URL into your browser if it does not appear as an active link.) Come visit soon! Chuck at the_penas@XXXXXX ----------------------------------------------------------- Copyright (c) Eastman Kodak Co., 2000. All Rights Reserved. --8030754.979868539498.JavaMail.root.web3.prv.sun1.lightsurf.net-- From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 18 20:54:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h007.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.171]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f0J1stp20995 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 20:54:55 -0500 (EST) Received: (cpmta 1196 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2001 17:54:45 -0800 Received: from 1Cust21.tnt2.tco2.da.uu.net (HELO oemcomputer) (63.20.245.21) by smtp.peoplepc.com (209.228.32.171) with SMTP; 18 Jan 2001 17:54:45 -0800 X-Sent: 19 Jan 2001 01:54:45 GMT Message-ID: <006901c081bb$667b54c0$15f5143f@oemcomputer> From: "Laura Granato" To: "Tom Gimer" , Cc: , , References: <20010118220928.1680.qmail@web512.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Northern VA paint shop suggestions? Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 20:59:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 > this ain't the place for romance, goddammit! enough! > Speaking of romance, Mr. Gimer, when's the big date? LAG :-) From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 18 21:23:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0J2Njp21448 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 21:23:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-62-73.s73.tnt5.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.62.73] helo=todd) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14JRDK-0005eb-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 21:23:42 -0500 From: "Todd Peer" To: "AA DC-Cycles" Subject: MOTO Email Lists Was: CB750 Horn Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 21:21:38 -0500 Message-ID: <000101c081be$8e6dbe20$493e2c42@todd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 I'm not entirely surprised, but there's a CB-750 mailing list? (after searching the web for such a beast) Is the one at http://www.egroups.com/group/cb-750/fullinfo.html the one you mean? I may have mentioned I'm a green rider and can use all the tidbits I can get... (like knowing about the idle adjustment wheel so it doesn't cut out in colder weather) >Todd > Erick ----------------------------------------------------------------- If you can't find it here then it probably ain't worth reading. Still, 90% is probably not worth reading anyway: http://www.zip.com.au/~cs/moto/mailing-lists.html Just pay attention to the possibility that an (organized) email list may also have a FAQ for you to look over. Some people get so sensitive if you blunder into their little worlds. Todd Peer (Springfield, VA) <----------------------------------------> * '91 ST1100, '98 VTR, * '83 VT500c(sold), * '92 CB750 (sold), * '94 XT350 (sold) * SS1k, FiTe V * IBA, AMA, HRCA, HSTA(7615), STOC(487) * 152,000 miles and counting <----------------------------------------> From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 18 23:01:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: from m11.boston.juno.com (m11.boston.juno.com [63.211.172.74]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0J41ep22793 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 23:01:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"fTLSAcSSZ0OO+O1u10jMXMgvTY0i9RPhmt9nHBdKWHIML1D1TniJ6A=="> Received: (from celticracing@XXXXXX) by m11.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id FT5AF499; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 23:01:03 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, halfpint@XXXXXX, CyclePros1@XXXXXX, nolanb@XXXXXX, teambaked@XXXXXX, bsajim@XXXXXX, dawncook@XXXXXX, dave@XXXXXX, mad93@XXXXXX, cfaison@XXXXXX, gmeyerin@XXXXXX, jgunn@XXXXXX, nelo@XXXXXX, lhardy@XXXXXX, hawkgt-l@XXXXXX, alanlapp@XXXXXX, glhommedieudd@XXXXXX, jlight@XXXXXX, the_mercers@XXXXXX, dmiddleton3@XXXXXX, tnoble269@XXXXXX, zero_dollars_racing@XXXXXX, rpatch@XXXXXX, boots1@XXXXXX, SV650@XXXXXX, Thumper@XXXXXX, mtiberio@XXXXXX, gerladw@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 22:58:52 -0500 Subject: Almost, But Not TOO Late to go to MARRC Banquet Sat., Jan 27th Message-ID: <20010118.225853.-537167.7.CelticRacing@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 3-4,7-8,11-17,19,21,23,25 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Tom Fitzpatrick If you want to have a great time, meet your old friends, meet some new friends, talk about racing, and support the club that supports the racing community, consider going to the MARRC annual Banquet next Saturday, the 27th. Get the scoop on the MARRC web site. Or just pick up a phone and call the Banquet quarterback, and outgoing MARRC VP (voluptuous person), Wendy Leland at 301-441-9220. Or email her at halfpint@XXXXXX. It is my hope that the DC Cycles list will get even more involved in the racing life at Summit Point. Joining MARRC is the absolute best way to do that. Come on out and see what it is all about. Hope to see you there. Tom Tom Fitzpatrick CCS#806 (www.celticracing.com) Sponsors: *Fast Lane Cycles/fastlanecycles@XXXXXX/703-818-8890/ (www.fastlanecycles.com) *Barnacle Bill's Racing Leathers - barnacle@XXXXXX (www.racingleather.com) *A.F.S. Contractor Inc.-Home Insurance Recovery Specialist (www.unitedwebuild.com/afs.html) *Janet Bell TAX Preparation, Accounting and Consulting (belljan@XXXXXX) From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 19 06:04:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: from vasfw03.fdic.gov (vasfw03.fdic.gov [192.147.69.46]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0JB4sp29138 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 06:04:54 -0500 (EST) Received: by vasfw03.fdic.gov; id GAA17832; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 06:04:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from unknown(151.174.4.145) by vasfw03.fdic.gov via smap (V5.5) id xma017691; Fri, 19 Jan 01 06:03:36 -0500 Received: by s00exc101.fdic.gov with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2651.58) id ; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 06:03:37 -0500 Message-ID: <42A213AA7052D21187EB080009DC7807049A6758@s01exc102.fdic.gov> From: "Myles, Gregory S." To: DC Cycles Subject: Motorcycle Licensing Alert from ABATE of MD Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 06:03:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2651.58) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Please forward this to all those that you know of and ask them to submit a comment to the Delegate. -----Original Message----- From: Gawthrop@XXXXXX [mailto:Gawthrop@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2001 6:26 AM To: Gawthrop@XXXXXX Cc: ironlung31@XXXXXX; Mojoputt@XXXXXX; gary.boward@XXXXXX; Csfreedom@XXXXXX; nmursin@XXXXXX; dunbar@XXXXXX; LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX; Ne_biker@XXXXXX; MGardler@XXXXXX; Sharon Chasles Subject: ABATE: Motorcycle Licensing ONLY AFTER completing course Please forward to your groups. ISSUE: Delegate Benson has submitted a bill (SB 141) that requires the completion of a mandatory MC safety course before getting a license. See the bill at: http://mlis.state.md.us/2001rs/billfile/HB0141.htm WHAT TO DO: Contact JOANNE C. BENSON, Democrat, District 24, Prince George's County. Lowe House Office Building, Room 204 84 College Ave. Annapolis, MD 21401 - 1991 (301) 858-3065, (410) 841-3065 1-800-492-7122, ext. 3065 (toll free) e-mail: joanne_benson@XXXXXX fax: (301) 858-2412, (410) 841-2412 ASK HER FOR THE FOLLOWING INFORMATION: 1. What street addressess/locations where new MC Safety courses will be taught. (Right now, there are not enough) 2. What the annual number and monthly of NEW riders there are applying for licenses? 3. The number of school slots available each month right now. 4. How she intends to make up for the difference between available school slots and the number of current registrations BEFORE the law is voted on. 5. How is the funding to be provided for the new schools (bikes, instructors) 6. How many instructors will be needed? 7. Is there a waiver if a person cannot get a school within 30 days Bill Gawthrop Legislative Director ABATE of Maryland From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 19 06:14:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0JBEMp29272 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 06:14:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f0JBEJw328116 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 06:14:19 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3A682182.4FE196DC@radix.net> Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 06:14:10 -0500 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Northern VA paint shop suggestions? References: <20010118220928.1680.qmail@web512.mail.yahoo.com> <006901c081bb$667b54c0$15f5143f@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Laura Granato wrote: > > > this ain't the place for romance, goddammit! enough! > > > Speaking of romance, Mr. Gimer, when's the big date? finally getting out of work release ??? ;-) - 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 19 06:25:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d10.mx.aol.com (imo-d10.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0JBPIp29432 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 06:25:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from Gawthrop@XXXXXX by imo-d10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id w.5b.10beb702 (3928); Fri, 19 Jan 2001 06:25:05 -0500 (EST) From: Gawthrop@XXXXXX Message-ID: <5b.10beb702.27997e11@aol.com> Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 06:25:05 EST Subject: Re: Motorcycle Licensing Alert from ABATE of MD To: GMyles@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_5b.10beb702.27997e11_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 344 --part1_5b.10beb702.27997e11_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Note one small error please. It should be HB 141 (House Bill) not SB (Senate Bill) Bill Gawthrop Legislative Director ABATE of Maryland, Inc "I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend, to the death, your right to say it." Voltaire (1694-1778) --part1_5b.10beb702.27997e11_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Note one small error please.  It should be HB 141 (House Bill) not SB (Senate
Bill)

Bill Gawthrop
Legislative Director
ABATE of Maryland, Inc

"I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend, to the
death, your right to say it."   Voltaire (1694-1778)
--part1_5b.10beb702.27997e11_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 19 07:34:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web11505.mail.yahoo.com (web11505.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.37]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f0JCYrp00456 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 07:34:53 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20010119123450.29948.qmail@web11505.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [147.208.3.65] by web11505.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 04:34:50 PST Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 04:34:50 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: Northern VA paint shop suggestions? To: Tom Gimer , LAURA GRANATO , roach@XXXXXX Cc: roach@XXXXXX, c-Robert.Verde@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Tom, you just made me think of that e-mail that Tom Zell sent to the list a few years when him and Jeannette got together. OK, I think I'm going to throw up now! ;-))) Glenn --- Tom Gimer wrote: > jesus....with all the footsie that's been goin' on > between > these two of late i'd say we might be looking at the > next > tom & jeannette > > this ain't the place for romance, goddammit! > enough! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 19 07:43:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0JChrp00594 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 07:43:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-232.patriot.net [209.249.180.232]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f0JChm726719; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 07:43:49 -0500 Message-ID: <3A683558.E9E053ED@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 07:38:48 -0500 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Myles, Gregory S." CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Motorcycle Licensing Alert from ABATE of MD References: <42A213AA7052D21187EB080009DC7807049A6758@s01exc102.fdic.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Good grief - the questions attached to this are good ones I think taking a safety course is an excellant idea, not a bad idea to require it before issuing a permit - BUT where do these lawmakers plan to get the ranges, equipment, and instructors to do this? Bill Myles, Gregory S. wrote: > > ISSUE: Delegate Benson has submitted a bill (SB 141) that requires the > completion of a mandatory MC safety course before getting a license. > > > 1. What street addressess/locations where new MC Safety courses will be > taught. (Right now, there are not enough) > 2. What the annual number and monthly of NEW riders there are applying > for licenses? > 3. The number of school slots available each month right now. > 4. How she intends to make up for the difference between available > school slots and the number of current registrations BEFORE the law is voted > > on. > 5. How is the funding to be provided for the new schools (bikes, > instructors) > 6. How many instructors will be needed? > 7. Is there a waiver if a person cannot get a school within 30 days > > Bill Gawthrop > Legislative Director > ABATE of Maryland From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 19 08:07:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0JD7wp00907 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 08:07:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-4-30.s1046.apx1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.4.30] helo=twincam) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14JbGk-000486-00 ; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 08:07:55 -0500 Message-ID: <00f201c08218$20e9e7c0$1e042c42@twincam> From: "Kathleen Loerich" To: "Bill Huson" , "Myles, Gregory S." Cc: "DC Cycles" References: <42A213AA7052D21187EB080009DC7807049A6758@s01exc102.fdic.gov> <3A683558.E9E053ED@patriot.net> Subject: Re: Motorcycle Licensing Alert from ABATE of MD Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 08:02:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 I see two fundamental problems with this. 1. Taking a safety course before getting a motorcycle license is a good idea. Making this a mandatory requirement is unnecessary. Those getting learner's permits are required to take a written test first. The current safety course prerequisite is that a student must first have a learner's permit. This presents a Catch-22 situation. You can't get the permit because you have to take the class. You can't take the class because you don't have a permit....... 2. The current voluntary demand for the course exceeds the MVA's ability to keep up with it. Mandatory requirements for training that doesn't exist are unreasonable. Since the voluntary demand for the classes is so high and most folks already consider the best way to get a motorcycle license the first time is to take a safety class, why make it mandatory? As an acquaintance of mine used to say, "It doesn't pass the smart test". Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Huson To: Myles, Gregory S. Cc: DC Cycles Sent: Friday, January 19, 2001 07:38 Subject: Re: Motorcycle Licensing Alert from ABATE of MD > Good grief - the questions attached to this are good ones > I think taking a safety course is an excellant idea, not a bad idea to require > it before issuing a permit - BUT where do these lawmakers plan to get the > ranges, equipment, and instructors to do this? > > Bill > > > Myles, Gregory S. wrote: > > > > > ISSUE: Delegate Benson has submitted a bill (SB 141) that requires the > > completion of a mandatory MC safety course before getting a license. > > > > > > 1. What street addressess/locations where new MC Safety courses will be > > taught. (Right now, there are not enough) > > 2. What the annual number and monthly of NEW riders there are applying > > for licenses? > > 3. The number of school slots available each month right now. > > 4. How she intends to make up for the difference between available > > school slots and the number of current registrations BEFORE the law is voted > > > > on. > > 5. How is the funding to be provided for the new schools (bikes, > > instructors) > > 6. How many instructors will be needed? > > 7. Is there a waiver if a person cannot get a school within 30 days > > > > Bill Gawthrop > > Legislative Director > > ABATE of Maryland > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 19 08:26:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web314.mail.yahoo.com (web314.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.79]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f0JDQPp01119 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 08:26:25 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20010119132617.16482.qmail@web314.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [198.26.132.101] by web314.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 05:26:17 PST Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 05:26:17 -0800 (PST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: Motorcycle Licensing Alert from ABATE of MD To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Kathleen Loerich wrote: > I see two fundamental problems with this. I can add a third. Right now just about everyone who is in the class is there because they WANT to be. (A few are there because mom & dad, or hubby or wife told them they had to go, or just want to pass so they get an insurance discount) If the course becomes MANDATORY, then you have people who really want to be there to learn and do good; and you have people who don't want to be there, who think it's dumb, who just want to pass and get the hell out. These people are likely to become a distraction to the class. Thus those who want to be there will have a diminished experience. I already see distraction from the students who think they know it all and just want the card for insurance reasons. Louis Caplan ===== "Admiral" Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours Alexandria, VA Co-Planner, MD20-20 http://www.masondixon20-20.org/ Home Page: http://members.nbci.com/Nighthawk700/cycle.htm __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 19 09:20:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0JEKUp01904 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 09:20:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-232.patriot.net [209.249.180.232]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f0JEKO706268; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 09:20:25 -0500 Message-ID: <3A684BFD.C76A07DC@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 09:15:25 -0500 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kathleen Loerich CC: "Myles, Gregory S." , DC Cycles Subject: Re: Motorcycle Licensing Alert from ABATE of MD References: <42A213AA7052D21187EB080009DC7807049A6758@s01exc102.fdic.gov> <3A683558.E9E053ED@patriot.net> <00f201c08218$20e9e7c0$1e042c42@twincam> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Maybe in Maryland, but as of last year Virginia students didn't need a learner's permit to take the safety course. But making it a requirement would overload the system. These legislators need to rethink this, assuming they're capable of logical thought. Bill Kathleen Loerich wrote: > I see two fundamental problems with this. > > 1. Taking a safety course before getting a motorcycle license is a good > idea. Making this a mandatory requirement is unnecessary. Those getting > learner's permits are required to take a written test first. The current > safety course prerequisite is that a student must first have a learner's > permit. This presents a Catch-22 situation. You can't get the permit > because you have to take the class. You can't take the class because you > don't have a permit....... > > 2. The current voluntary demand for the course exceeds the MVA's ability to > keep up with it. Mandatory requirements for training that doesn't exist are > unreasonable. Since the voluntary demand for the classes is so high and > most folks already consider the best way to get a motorcycle license the > first time is to take a safety class, why make it mandatory? As an > acquaintance of mine used to say, "It doesn't pass the smart test". > > Kathleen > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bill Huson > To: Myles, Gregory S. > Cc: DC Cycles > Sent: Friday, January 19, 2001 07:38 > Subject: Re: Motorcycle Licensing Alert from ABATE of MD > > > Good grief - the questions attached to this are good ones > > I think taking a safety course is an excellant idea, not a bad idea to > require > > it before issuing a permit - BUT where do these lawmakers plan to get > the > > ranges, equipment, and instructors to do this? > > > > Bill > > > > > > Myles, Gregory S. wrote: > > > > > > > > ISSUE: Delegate Benson has submitted a bill (SB 141) that requires the > > > completion of a mandatory MC safety course before getting a license. > > > > > > > > > 1. What street addressess/locations where new MC Safety courses will > be > > > taught. (Right now, there are not enough) > > > 2. What the annual number and monthly of NEW riders there are > applying > > > for licenses? > > > 3. The number of school slots available each month right now. > > > 4. How she intends to make up for the difference between available > > > school slots and the number of current registrations BEFORE the law is > voted > > > > > > on. > > > 5. How is the funding to be provided for the new schools (bikes, > > > instructors) > > > 6. How many instructors will be needed? > > > 7. Is there a waiver if a person cannot get a school within 30 days > > > > > > Bill Gawthrop > > > Legislative Director > > > ABATE of Maryland > > > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 19 09:36:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mta05f.seamail.go.com (mta05f.seamail.go.com [204.202.140.197]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0JEaYp02417 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 09:36:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from gomailjtp04 (jtp04.seamail.go.com [10.212.0.164]) by mta05.seamail.go.com (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.4.0.2000.05.17.04.13.p6) with ESMTP id <0G7E00ARGZ5YN4@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 06:34:46 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 06:34:28 -0800 (PST) From: Arlington Subject: 4 Hour MC parking To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <1968448.979914869001.JavaMail.Arlington22201@gomailjtp04> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: GoMail 3.0.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Aaron Ward asked about the enforcement of the four-hour max parking limits at marked motorcycle parking areas in the district. Does anyone know if it's enforced? Also, do you have to plunk four-hours worth of quarters in the meters? And why are there some four-hour m/c spots (e.g. Vermont & H St. across from the Vet. Admin. building) and some spots which appear to have no limits (e.g. corner of 15th & New York(?) by the Old Ebbit Grill)? Come on commuters, help us out. -Aaron M. ___________________________________________________ GO.com Mail Get Your Free, Private E-mail at http://mail.go.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 19 09:50:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: from wpo.aamc.org (wpo.aamc.org [143.220.4.36]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f0JEoap02918 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 09:50:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from AAMC-Message_Server by wpo.aamc.org with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 09:46:21 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.2.1 Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 09:45:46 -0500 From: "Onur Topac" To: Subject: Re: 4 Hour MC parking Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id f0JEp6p02933 I've seen bikes parked at both locations all day. Not sure about the enforcement. What I've done is worked out a deal with an underground garage where I just ride past the gate and make sure that I don't take up a space. This way I don't pay. I park in a section of the garage near the AC units and it doesn't bother anyone. Might want to try that route. Onur '84 Magna V30 >>> Arlington 01/19/01 09:34AM >>> Aaron Ward asked about the enforcement of the four-hour max parking limits at marked motorcycle parking areas in the district. Does anyone know if it's enforced? Also, do you have to plunk four-hours worth of quarters in the meters? And why are there some four-hour m/c spots (e.g. Vermont & H St. across from the Vet. Admin. building) and some spots which appear to have no limits (e.g. corner of 15th & New York(?) by the Old Ebbit Grill)? Come on commuters, help us out. -Aaron M. ___________________________________________________ GO.com Mail Get Your Free, Private E-mail at http://mail.go.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 19 09:53:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail9.wlv.netzero.net (mail9.wlv.netzero.net [209.247.163.66]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f0JErVp02998 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 09:53:31 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 2116 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2001 14:52:50 -0000 Received: from dialup-166.90.27.193.washington1.level3.net (HELO pawilson) (166.90.27.193) by mail9.wlv.netzero.net with SMTP; 19 Jan 2001 14:52:50 -0000 Message-ID: <00b801c08227$9f6f97c0$bb82fea9@pawilson> From: "Paul Wilson" To: References: <1968448.979914869001.JavaMail.Arlington22201@gomailjtp04> Subject: Re: 4 Hour MC parking Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 09:53:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Well, it like just about everything else in the District, it depends on which parking enforcement people are doing the enforcing that day. If they want they can write down the plate numbers and check back 4 hours later, but that requires effort. Easier to pick the "low hanging fruit" of expired meters and illegally parked cars. Why use the one at Vermont and H anyway? Why not use the one a block away at McPherson Square, which is free. Some of these metered spots are underutilized. I talked to a DC public works official a couple of weeks ago and the perception is that these spots "aren't used very much," which means they could be in jeopardy. I've only seen bikes parked at Vt. and H on a couple of occasions. I'm not a regular downtown commuter, but do go downtown via mc often for meetings. Paul in DC 91 CB750 ----- Original Message ----- From: Arlington > Aaron Ward asked about the enforcement of the four-hour max parking limits at marked motorcycle parking areas in the district. Does anyone know if it's enforced? Also, do you have to plunk four-hours worth of quarters in the meters? And why are there some four-hour m/c spots (e.g. Vermont & H St. across from the Vet. Admin. building) and some spots which appear to have no limits (e.g. corner of 15th & New York(?) by the Old Ebbit Grill)? > > Come on commuters, help us out. > > -Aaron M. Shop online without a credit card http://www.rocketcash.com RocketCash, a NetZero subsidiary From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 19 10:05:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web901.mail.yahoo.com (web901.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.76]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f0JF5Ip03513 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 10:05:19 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 10795 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Jan 2001 15:05:13 -0000 Message-ID: <20010119150513.10794.qmail@web901.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.229.31.23] by web901.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 07:05:13 PST Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 07:05:13 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: 4 Hour MC parking To: Onur Topac , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Onur Topac wrote: > I've seen bikes parked at both locations all day. > Not sure about the enforcement. What I've done is > worked out a deal with an underground garage where I > just ride past the gate and make sure that I don't > take up a space. This way I don't pay. I park in a > section of the garage near the AC units and it > doesn't bother anyone. Might want to try that > route. That's pretty close to the deal I've worked out. Although just to make sure, I bring in a dozen donuts every Tuesday and leave them at the parking window. I had to ask at several garages before I found one willing to let me park without paying. Leon. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 19 10:52:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: from dchqexs1.fsis.usda.gov (wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa [199.128.203.12] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0JFqhp04155 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 10:52:44 -0500 (EST) Received: by wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 10:52:17 -0500 Message-ID: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F780280@DCHQCLEXHQ> From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Subject: crrrrrash Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 10:53:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain >From Sabmag (& others?): Look up tank slapper in the dictionary and these are the pictures attached to the definition. they are MPGs http://members.nbci.com/_XMCM/crashes2/movies/tt99.mpg http://members.nbci.com/_XMCM/crashes2/movies/mccoy.mpg Yow, oof, ouch, oh, whew, bam!, oof, yow, sunnavabitch! Carl in Bethesda (Darn, motorsickles must be dangerous) From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 19 11:04:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail8.wlv.netzero.net (mail8.wlv.netzero.net [209.247.163.58]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f0JG4tp04328 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 11:04:56 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 25252 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2001 16:03:45 -0000 Received: from dialup-63.215.158.156.washington1.level3.net (HELO pawilson) (63.215.158.156) by mail8.wlv.netzero.net with SMTP; 19 Jan 2001 16:03:45 -0000 Message-ID: <000201c08231$98521b20$bb82fea9@pawilson> From: "Paul Wilson" To: References: <42A213AA7052D21187EB080009DC7807049A6758@s01exc102.fdic.gov> Subject: Re: Motorcycle Licensing Alert from ABATE of MD Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 10:51:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Making it mandatory would possibly require a serious degradation in the quality of the instruction. As a would-be instructor I can imagine having to deal with attitude problems from people who are coerced into attending. Not to mention a huge backlog. In the summer of '99 the waiting list for the Md. courses was enormous; more so than Va. where the waiting time was two months. They will either dumb down the training to get people through faster or make would be riders wait a year or more to get permits, thereby encouraging them to ride without a license, the most dangerous outcome of all. There are already enough people who ride without endorsements. I suppose private riding schools could be an option, but the cost to the rider would be significant. Contrast the cost of for-profit track schools and track day fees with the cost of the average MSF class. As usual with many government actions, I sense the urge to regulate without the commitment of resources to make the programs work. I do not favor the European model of driver education with the payment of substantial fees for the training courses. To me bypassing the road test and insurance discounts are adequate incentive to take the courses. There's also the problem of experienced riders who let their licenses lapse through inattention, being overseas, etc. Paul in DC ----- Original Message ----- > > Please forward to your groups. > > ISSUE: Delegate Benson has submitted a bill (SB 141) that requires the > completion of a mandatory MC safety course before getting a license. > > See the bill at: http://mlis.state.md.us/2001rs/billfile/HB0141.htm > > ASK HER FOR THE FOLLOWING INFORMATION: > 1. What street addressess/locations where new MC Safety courses will be > taught. (Right now, there are not enough) > 2. What the annual number and monthly of NEW riders there are applying > for licenses? > 3. The number of school slots available each month right now. > 4. How she intends to make up for the difference between available > school slots and the number of current registrations BEFORE the law is voted > > on. > 5. How is the funding to be provided for the new schools (bikes, > instructors) > 6. How many instructors will be needed? > 7. Is there a waiver if a person cannot get a school within 30 days > > Bill Gawthrop > Legislative Director > ABATE of Maryland > Shop online without a credit card http://www.rocketcash.com RocketCash, a NetZero subsidiary From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 19 11:33:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mongoose.slip.net (nfeed1.sntccaidc.firstworld.net [216.127.92.117]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0JGXjp04838 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 11:33:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from shell.slip.net ([207.171.193.17] helo=slip-3.slip.net) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 3.13 #3) id 14JeTt-0005Ms-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 08:33:41 -0800 Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 08:33:41 -0800 (PST) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Jupiter's Travels again In-Reply-To: <20010118223320.4916.qmail@web512.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 18 Jan 2001, Tom Gimer wrote: > wow! i don't blame you. and, i'm very happy to hear that > you didn't plop down $9k on a ural, when the perfect bike > for your voyage will only cost you $3k. i'm referring to > an xr600 or its equivalent. > You're probably right the a quality dual sport would be better but I really like those Urals. Also with a top speed of 65mph I won't have to worry about any more speeding tickets. > i'm still jealous. i'm not even allowed to think about 6 > month trips anymore :( and the odds of my completing the > dakar (life-long dream) are pretty darn ugly. > The Dakar would be awesome. Ted Simon was in his 40s when he did his first trip and he's 69 now so you still got a few years to plan. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 19 11:52:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: from dchqexs1.fsis.usda.gov (wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa [199.128.203.12] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0JGq7p05114 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 11:52:07 -0500 (EST) Received: by wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 11:52:00 -0500 Message-ID: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F780281@DCHQCLEXHQ> From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Cc: "'Ellen.Dimond@XXXXXX'" Subject: Help! Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 11:53:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Ellen.Dimond claimed, "I am planning to relocate from San Jose, California to Montgomery County in the spring. I ride a Honda PC800. I hoped you would know: what are the good touring routes in Montgomery, Howard, Carroll and Frederick counties--would you name a few?" In addition to Doug Allis' good advice: Route 17 is kinda nice and relaxing. North from Brunswick, left at Burkittsville (the witch town), cross South Mountain at Gapland, 67 north to Reno Monument road, back to 17 north, right on 77 through Cunningham Falls. But hang left through the park and past Camp David then wiggle thru the back roads, past Fort Ritchie to the Penn Mar overlook. Return via 550. To start, head out 190 (River Road) or 28 (Darnstown) to hook up with 17. Or, 27 north thru Damascus (the back roads west of 27 are nicer) north toward Westminster. Hook up with 77 then west (roads south of 77 are more interesting). Then there's the roads around Antietam. Trego is kinda twisty. For farther afield: West (by God) Virginia. The mountains and Senator Byrd's seniority have produced some fine asphalt ribbons. It'll be a long time before I forget the road between Rowelsburg and Terra Alta. Rt. 55 - 33 thru Seneca Rocks There's Rt. 50 to Hocking Hills, OH (SE Ohio was a well - kept secret -- if you have a window seat while flying over, you'll see.) Oh, yes there's the BRP to Deals Gap. You gotta do the BRP -- it's a 45 MPH limit but the road and scenery are great in NC. You gotta do the Gap while you're east -- even at 30 mph, it's fun -- and pick up a Dragon Trash Tee. " . . . find out what winterizing riders do out there for their bikes . . ." In the fall, I clean the bike, spritz BT stuff into the nether regions, lube thingies, and attach the grip heaters. " , how many days a year you can ride, " All days without ice. Those days ride Metro or stay home an read Bruce Catton's Civil War volumes. " . . . what are the hazards (black ice, leaves, etc.)--any ideas on where I could get info like that?" Hmmm, didn't we cover that a few weeks ago? Biggest hazard is metro area cagers with an attitude. "Thanks a lot," No problemo, "I'm from the gummimint and here to hep." Carl in Bethesda Commuting into your nation's capitol since 1981 through sun, rain, over snow, and around road ragers. '85 VF700S (Rocin-ahorito); '83 VF700F (666) '97 Aerostich Roadcrafter (Fred the Red) Don't need no loud pipes; I got big honking tooters: http://members.tripod.com/~v65_magna/sos_99/sat_lunch2.jpg From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 19 12:17:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: from gothic.answerlogic.com (gothic.answerlogic.com [38.203.217.7]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0JHHFp05489 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 12:17:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from klingon (10.10.10.190 [10.10.10.190]) by gothic.answerlogic.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id DCD9T53S; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 12:13:35 -0500 Message-ID: <03d701c0823a$dc71bf50$be0a0a0a@answerlogic.com> From: "Han Park" To: References: <20010119150513.10794.qmail@web901.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: 4 Hour MC parking Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 12:11:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 I used to park (before the winter, I know I'm a wimp) at the M and Connecticut bike parking. I got there between 9-10 and left around 7-10 at night. There are no meters there, just meter stalks. I have never had a ticket or problem with that parking. Hope that helps. han ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leon Begeman" To: "Onur Topac" ; Sent: Friday, January 19, 2001 10:05 AM Subject: Re: 4 Hour MC parking > --- Onur Topac wrote: > > I've seen bikes parked at both locations all day. > > Not sure about the enforcement. What I've done is > > worked out a deal with an underground garage where I > > just ride past the gate and make sure that I don't > > take up a space. This way I don't pay. I park in a > > section of the garage near the AC units and it > > doesn't bother anyone. Might want to try that > > route. > > That's pretty close to the deal I've worked out. > Although just to make sure, I bring in a dozen donuts > every Tuesday and leave them at the parking window. > I had to ask at several garages before I found one > willing to let me park without paying. > > Leon. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 19 12:42:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: from ws3.us2.outblaze.com (ws3.us2.outblaze.com [208.184.211.199]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f0JHgbp05829 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 12:42:37 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 12145 invoked by uid 1001); 19 Jan 2001 17:42:34 -0000 Message-ID: <20010119174234.12144.qmail@theglobe.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.117) From: "Matthew Patton" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 12:42:32 -0500 Subject: Re: crrrrrash so when the front-end is slapping how do you manage it? Gas it hard? or hope the crash isn't too bad? -- _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://mail.theglobe.com Powered by Outblaze From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 19 12:45:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: from gecko.zen-data.com (dsl-64-194-164-125.telocity.com [64.194.164.125]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0JHjhp05897 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 12:45:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from vulture.wheatintl.com ([209.249.185.69]) by gecko.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA30127; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 12:45:26 -0500 Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20010119124445.02997070@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 12:45:25 -0500 To: "Matthew Patton" From: Troutman Subject: Re: crrrrrash Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20010119174234.12144.qmail@theglobe.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 12:42 PM 1/19/01, Matthew Patton wrote: >so when the front-end is slapping how do you manage it? Gas it hard? or >hope the crash isn't too bad? Had a minor one once. Gas it hard - if you can remember to. Mine was over before it began. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org I spent a lot of money on wine and women and like a fool I squandered the rest. - Benny Hill From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 19 12:56:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web512.mail.yahoo.com (web512.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.227]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f0JHtwp05979 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 12:55:59 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20010119175556.16541.qmail@web512.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.219.157.35] by web512.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 09:55:56 PST Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 09:55:56 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: crrrrrash To: Troutman , Matthew Patton Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii i've had this happen on unsuccessful attempts at 2nd gear power wheelies where the front is barely in contact with the ground.....gas, gas, and more gas seems to work, but it is some scary shit 8-O --- Troutman wrote: > At 12:42 PM 1/19/01, Matthew Patton wrote: > >so when the front-end is slapping how do you manage it? > >Gas it hard? or hope the crash isn't too bad? > > Had a minor one once. Gas it hard - if you can remember > to. Mine was over before it began. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 19 13:24:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0JIO4p06368 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 13:24:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from boo.net ([128.231.110.219]) by helix.nih.gov (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f0JIO0w410696; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 13:24:00 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3A688637.475CCAC4@boo.net> Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 13:23:51 -0500 From: Jay Goddard X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD EBM-Compaq (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" , "bgsbny@XXXXXX" Subject: CHEAP to a good home Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I pulled a set of Michelins of my Monster, Specifics: Front - A89X 120/60ZR17. Rear - M89X 160/70ZR17. They have less than 5000 EASY miles on them, but they are unfortunately around 8 years old and kinda hard. I have no use for them but can't bring myself to throw them away. Payment: a 12 pack of Coke or few bucks for the "Garage beverage fund" You can pick them up in Friendship heights or Rockville. Jay From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 19 14:01:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: from vasfw03.fdic.gov (vasfw03.fdic.gov [192.147.69.46]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0JJ1Ap07023 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 14:01:10 -0500 (EST) Received: by vasfw03.fdic.gov; id OAA14549; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 14:01:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from unknown(151.174.4.145) by vasfw03.fdic.gov via smap (V5.5) id xma014227; Fri, 19 Jan 01 13:59:56 -0500 Received: by s00exc101.fdic.gov with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2651.58) id ; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 13:59:57 -0500 Message-ID: <42A213AA7052D21187EB080009DC7807049A6759@s01exc102.fdic.gov> From: "Myles, Gregory S." To: "'Han Park'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: 4 Hour MC parking Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 13:59:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2651.58) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" There's also free parking (meters not installed) for about a dozen bikes at 18th & G Streets NW; near the World Bank & GWU. -----Original Message----- From: Han Park [mailto:hpark@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, January 19, 2001 12:11 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: 4 Hour MC parking I used to park (before the winter, I know I'm a wimp) at the M and Connecticut bike parking. I got there between 9-10 and left around 7-10 at night. There are no meters there, just meter stalks. I have never had a ticket or problem with that parking. Hope that helps. han ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leon Begeman" To: "Onur Topac" ; Sent: Friday, January 19, 2001 10:05 AM Subject: Re: 4 Hour MC parking > --- Onur Topac wrote: > > I've seen bikes parked at both locations all day. > > Not sure about the enforcement. What I've done is > > worked out a deal with an underground garage where I > > just ride past the gate and make sure that I don't > > take up a space. This way I don't pay. I park in a > > section of the garage near the AC units and it > > doesn't bother anyone. Might want to try that > > route. > > That's pretty close to the deal I've worked out. > Although just to make sure, I bring in a dozen donuts > every Tuesday and leave them at the parking window. > I had to ask at several garages before I found one > willing to let me park without paying. > > Leon. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 19 14:25:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web11003.mail.yahoo.com (web11003.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.53]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f0JJPsp07316 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 14:25:54 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20010119192552.49790.qmail@web11003.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [205.230.55.8] by web11003.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 11:25:52 PST Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 11:25:52 -0800 (PST) From: Trey Herb Subject: RE: 4 Hour MC parking To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On the DC cycles web site under area riding is a list of parking areas in DC. Unfortunately none of them are much help to me. I work at 801 eye st. In china town near Convention Center. Anyone else down here. Anyone know where to park for free. Tired of feeding the meter, tickets, and pay lots. TIA Trey __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 19 14:30:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: from cpiserv2.uu.net (mail.publicintegrity.org [63.72.70.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0JJU1p07472 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 14:30:01 -0500 (EST) Received: by CPISERV2 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 14:28:45 -0500 Message-ID: From: eschelzig@XXXXXX To: GMyles@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: 4 Hour MC parking Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 14:28:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Where, incidentally, I chatted briefly with a Harley rider who was heading out to Fairfax Station the other night. Had electric gloves and vest. Anyone on this list? -----Original Message----- From: Myles, Gregory S. [mailto:GMyles@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, January 19, 2001 2:00 PM To: 'Han Park'; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: 4 Hour MC parking There's also free parking (meters not installed) for about a dozen bikes at 18th & G Streets NW; near the World Bank & GWU. From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 19 14:31:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: from cmr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net (cmr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net [198.5.241.39]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0JJV5p07490 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 14:31:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from imr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net by cmr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: imr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net [153.39.43.15]) id QQjyrm06931 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 19:31:02 GMT Received: from [153.39.168.51] by imr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: macsupport10.corp.us.uu.net [153.39.168.51]) id QQjyrm28379 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 19:30:45 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: sjordan@XXXXXX Message-Id: Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 14:30:42 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Firearm Safety Tips Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1232189850==_ma============" --============_-1232189850==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Since I know how much EVERYONE on this list enjoys gun threads, I thought I'd post this. As excerpted from theonion.com When operating a firearm, safety is paramount. Here are some tips to reduce the risk of mishaps: * Instill in your children a healthy fear of guns by drunkenly waving one in their faces whenever you've had a few too many. * If you shoot yourself in the foot, immediately contact a therapist to help you confront your fear of success. * Dismantle your gun and melt it into a plowshare. * Have spouse and children wear blaze orange and shout, "Family coming through!" when moving from room to room in your home. * Unload gun each night by firing into ceiling, counting each bullet in screamed German. * Store your gun at least four feet from your liquor cabinet. * Never let your child play with a gun that is loaded. * Stress to your children that guns are only for shooting bad people. Make sure they know the difference between good and bad people by having them name examples of each from their daily lives. * Boil your bullets to prevent transmitting germs to people you shoot. * Never use a firearm to settle a poker dispute, unless it's the absolute last option. * Shoot a puppy at point-blank range to illustrate to your children the seriousness of guns. * When preparing to pistol-whip someone, make sure the safety is on. * Don't leave bullets on the floor where you can slip on them. That's the real killer. -- Sean Jordan Macintosh Systems Analyst (703)-886-7661 UUNET Technologies, Inc. --============_-1232189850==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Firearm Safety Tips
Since I know how much EVERYONE on this list enjoys gun threads, I thought I'd post this.

As excerpted from theonion.com

When operating a firearm, safety is paramount. Here are some tips to reduce the risk of mishaps:
       

*       Instill in your children a healthy fear of guns by drunkenly waving one in their faces whenever you've had a few too many.
*       If you shoot yourself in the foot, immediately contact a therapist to help you confront your fear of success.
*       Dismantle your gun and melt it into a plowshare.
*       Have spouse and children wear blaze orange and shout, "Family coming through!" when moving from room to room in your home.
*       Unload gun each night by firing into ceiling, counting each bullet in screamed German.
*       Store your gun at least four feet from your liquor cabinet.
*       Never let your child play with a gun that is loaded.
*       Stress to your children that guns are only for shooting bad people. Make sure they know the difference between good and bad people by having them name examples of each from their daily lives.
*       Boil your bullets to prevent transmitting germs to people you shoot.
*       Never use a firearm to settle a poker dispute, unless it's the absolute last option.
*       Shoot a puppy at point-blank range to illustrate to your children the seriousness of guns.
*       When preparing to pistol-whip someone, make sure the safety is on.
*       Don't leave bullets on the floor where you can slip on them. That's the real killer.
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--============_-1232189850==_ma============-- From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 19 14:52:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web311.mail.yahoo.com (web311.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.76]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f0JJqOp07800 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 14:52:28 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20010119195152.1547.qmail@web311.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [198.26.132.101] by web311.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 11:51:52 PST Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 11:51:52 -0800 (PST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: Motorcycle Licensing Alert from ABATE of MD To: DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii It's a little hard to tell from reading the actual bill (legalese). Is it for those under 18 only, or for everyone? The text of the bill is located at: http://mlis.state.md.us/2001rs/bills/hb/hb0141f.rtf Louis > ISSUE: Delegate Benson has submitted a bill (SB 141) that requires the > completion of a mandatory MC safety course before getting a license. > > See the bill at: http://mlis.state.md.us/2001rs/billfile/HB0141.htm __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 19 15:05:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h003.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.167]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f0JK5Bp08009 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 15:05:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (cpmta 7033 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2001 12:05:03 -0800 Date: 19 Jan 2001 12:05:03 -0800 Message-ID: <20010119200503.7032.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 19 Jan 2001 20:05:03 GMT Received: from [205.229.56.13] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 19 Jan 2001 12:05:03 PST Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.8.1.2 Subject: Who is going??? MARRC banquet Just checking to see who is planning on going to the MARRC banquet next weekend (the 27th). LAG ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 19 15:30:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail8.wlv.netzero.net (mail8.wlv.netzero.net [209.247.163.58]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f0JKU2p08330 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 15:30:03 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 14631 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2001 20:28:52 -0000 Received: from dialup-63.208.165.11.washington2.level3.net (HELO pawilson) (63.208.165.11) by mail8.wlv.netzero.net with SMTP; 19 Jan 2001 20:28:52 -0000 Message-ID: <000001c08256$a22c8980$bb82fea9@pawilson> From: "Paul Wilson" To: Cc: "cb-750 list" Subject: Water leakage in Aerostich RC Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 14:40:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 I rode to work in the deluge this morning in the Aerostich and was rewarded with a serious case of crotch leakage. On a bike without a substantial fairing the water rolls down the front of the suit and right into the main zipper just below the zipper flap. I didn't notice problems anywhere else with seam leakage, etc. It seems to me that making the zipper flap run down the leg a tad would solve the problem. Are they any tricks to alleviating this chronic problem, maybe an Aerostich (TM) Cordura (R) Gore-Tex (R) Codpiece for $49.95? :) Paul in DC 91 CB750 Shop online without a credit card http://www.rocketcash.com RocketCash, a NetZero subsidiary From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 19 15:36:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mailhub2.TRW.COM (mailhub2.TRW.COM [129.193.4.29]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0JKaXp08414 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 15:36:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from navieg2.trw.com by mailhub2.TRW.COM for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 12:35:44 -0800 Received: from resva-ms6.resva.trw.com ([158.114.112.204]) by navieg2 (NAVIEG 2.1 bld 63) with SMTP id M2001011912375520584 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 12:37:56 -0800 Received: from trw.com (dhcp183-61.fp.trw.com [129.193.183.61]) by resva-ms6.resva.trw.com; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 15:35:14 -0500 Message-Id: <3A68A4CE.962A79F9@trw.com> Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 15:34:23 -0500 From: Randy Moran X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Who is going??? MARRC banquet References: <20010119200503.7032.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Julie and I will be there. Randy Moran LAURA GRANATO wrote: > Just checking to see who is planning on going to the MARRC banquet next weekend (the 27th). From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 19 15:50:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail9.wlv.netzero.net (mail9.wlv.netzero.net [209.247.163.66]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f0JKoKp08602 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 15:50:20 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 10817 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2001 20:49:42 -0000 Received: from dialup-166.90.25.67.washington1.level3.net (HELO pawilson) (166.90.25.67) by mail9.wlv.netzero.net with SMTP; 19 Jan 2001 20:49:42 -0000 Message-ID: <004801c08259$7c119080$bb82fea9@pawilson> From: "Paul Wilson" To: References: <20010119195152.1547.qmail@web311.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Motorcycle Licensing Alert from ABATE of MD Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 15:36:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Some states do require it only for under 18. Two states, Maine and Rhode Island, require training for all riders. This from MSF survey of state licensing requirements. You MD folks communicating with your reps. might find out what the experience in ME and RI has shown. Paul in DC ----- Original Message ----- From: Louis F. Caplan To: DC Cycles Sent: Friday, January 19, 2001 2:51 PM Subject: Re: Motorcycle Licensing Alert from ABATE of MD > > It's a little hard to tell from reading the actual bill (legalese). Is it for > those under 18 only, or for everyone? The text of the bill is located at: > > http://mlis.state.md.us/2001rs/bills/hb/hb0141f.rtf > > Louis > > > ISSUE: Delegate Benson has submitted a bill (SB 141) that requires the > > completion of a mandatory MC safety course before getting a license. > > > > See the bill at: http://mlis.state.md.us/2001rs/billfile/HB0141.htm Shop online without a credit card http://www.rocketcash.com RocketCash, a NetZero subsidiary From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 19 15:51:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f99.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.99]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0JKpcp08612 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 15:51:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 12:51:30 -0800 Received: from 204.71.174.14 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 20:51:30 GMT X-Originating-IP: [204.71.174.14] From: "Perry Coleman" To: dchondarider@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: cb-750@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Water leakage in Aerostich RC Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 15:51:30 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Jan 2001 20:51:30.0121 (UTC) FILETIME=[99406B90:01C08259] Paul, I don't have an Aerostich but I've heard this is a common complaint. Of course, the suit is not marketed as "rain gear" and the diehards will tell you to wear a rainsuit over the 'stitch. But I digress... I was wondering if the use of one of those wooden bead seat thingies (technical term) would help. It would, at a minimum, lift your crotch out of the puddle forming on the seat, giving the water a chance to run off the seat instead of finding another available opening... Perry (who uses a rainsuit over his leathers in warmer weather, or a Hein Gericke/First Gear waterproof overpant in colder weather.) >From: "Paul Wilson" >To: >CC: "cb-750 list" >Subject: Water leakage in Aerostich RC >Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 14:40:24 -0500 > >I rode to work in the deluge this morning in the Aerostich and was rewarded >with a serious case of crotch leakage. On a bike without a substantial >fairing the water rolls down the front of the suit and right into the main >zipper just below the zipper flap. I didn't notice problems anywhere else >with seam leakage, etc. It seems to me that making the zipper flap run >down >the leg a tad >would solve the problem. > >Are they any tricks to alleviating this chronic problem, maybe an Aerostich >(TM) Cordura (R) Gore-Tex (R) Codpiece for $49.95? :) > >Paul in DC >91 CB750 > > > > >Shop online without a credit card >http://www.rocketcash.com >RocketCash, a NetZero subsidiary _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 19 15:54:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: from dgesmtp01.wcom.com (dgesmtp01.wcom.com [199.249.16.16]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0JKs8p08622 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 15:54:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42260) id <0G7F00K01GPMKW@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 20:53:46 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp04.wcomnet.com ([166.38.58.144]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42260) with ESMTP id <0G7F00JB5GPM18@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 20:53:46 +0000 (GMT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by dgismtp04.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) id <0G7F00D01GGBOE@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 20:53:45 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp04.wcomnet.com by dgismtp04.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with SMTP id <0G7F00E01GHJ00@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 20:49:44 +0000 (GMT) Received: from chan3544t ([166.36.153.47]) by dgismtp04.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with SMTP id <0G7F00D2BGH2O5@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 20:48:38 +0000 (GMT) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 15:48:29 -0500 From: Robert Verde Subject: RE: Water leakage in Aerostich RC In-reply-to: <000001c08256$a22c8980$bb82fea9@pawilson> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Reply-to: c-Robert.Verde@XXXXXX Message-id: <003e01c08259$2e87b600$2f9924a6@wcomnet.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal In the immortal words of Rowan Atkinson, starring in Black Adder, when asked his choice of codpieces; "I think the Black Russion, it so intimidates the clergy." Sorry, but I couldn't resist... Verde -----Original Message----- From: Paul Wilson [mailto:dchondarider@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, January 19, 2001 2:40 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: cb-750 list Subject: Water leakage in Aerostich RC I rode to work in the deluge this morning in the Aerostich and was rewarded with a serious case of crotch leakage. On a bike without a substantial fairing the water rolls down the front of the suit and right into the main zipper just below the zipper flap. I didn't notice problems anywhere else with seam leakage, etc. It seems to me that making the zipper flap run down the leg a tad would solve the problem. Are they any tricks to alleviating this chronic problem, maybe an Aerostich (TM) Cordura (R) Gore-Tex (R) Codpiece for $49.95? :) Paul in DC 91 CB750 Shop online without a credit card http://www.rocketcash.com RocketCash, a NetZero subsidiary From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 19 16:02:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail.his.com (root@XXXXXX [209.67.207.13]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0JL26p08753 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 16:02:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from harris (max4h-246.his.com [64.14.96.246]) by mail.his.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA13223 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 16:02:01 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.20010119160304.01153d48@his.com> X-Sender: harris@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 16:03:07 -0800 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Stephen Harris Subject: Re: Who is going??? MARRC banquet Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Anya and I will be there. Be sure to make a fuss over the ring in her finger, its the reason I'm not racing a GSXR1000 this year...:-( Stephen Harris At 12:05 PM 1/19/01 -0800, LAURA GRANATO wrote: >Just checking to see who is planning on going to the MARRC banquet next weekend (the 27th). > >LAG Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 19 16:10:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0JLAdp08825 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 16:10:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-8-142.s2174.apx1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.8.142] helo=twincam) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14Jins-0001MF-00 ; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 16:10:36 -0500 Message-ID: <001e01c0825b$8f2e87c0$8e082c42@twincam> From: "Kathleen Loerich" To: "Louis F. Caplan" , References: <20010119195152.1547.qmail@web311.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Motorcycle Licensing Alert from ABATE of MD Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 16:05:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 ---- Original Message ----- From: Louis F. Caplan To: DC Cycles Sent: Friday, January 19, 2001 14:51 Subject: Re: Motorcycle Licensing Alert from ABATE of MD > > It's a little hard to tell from reading the actual bill (legalese). Is it for > those under 18 only, or for everyone? The text of the bill is located at: > Sometimes these things are confusing as hell to figure out, but I think I parsed it out and discovered what they are trying to do. Brackets indicate text to remove. Bold text indicates text to add. The bills themselves only contain small snippets of the entire law and usually only refer to the parts that are being modified. This is my OPINION. I am not a lawyer and your mileage may vary. The bill modifies Transportaion Sections 16-103(b), 16-111(b), 16-111.1(a), and 16-603. In 16-103 the bill removes information about those under 18 being required to take a motorcycle safety course. In 16-111 the bill adds back the requirement for those who get provisional licenses to take a motorcycle safety course. Section 16-111 discusses provisional license requirements. A provisional license is for those under 18. In 16-111.1 the bill adds a new requirement for normal drivers license holders to take a motorcycle safety course. Section 16-111.1 discusses requirements for driver's licenses for those who are 18 or over. In 16-603 the change is to require the MVA to provide safety courses throughout the year. The bill proposes changing the law from 'may be offered' to 'shall be offered'. I could use another set of eyes to confirm this, but it looks like the net effect if this bill is passed is that everyone getting a motorcycle license will be required to take a safety class. In addition to that, safety classes will have to be available year-round. I'm for the change to 16-103 and the change to 16-603 and we can amend out the changes to 16-111 and 16-111.1. Except it might be hard to get a bunch of new riders out in the snow in December to take a motorcycle safety class. =8^) For those who might be interested in giving this a second pass, the current Maryland law can be found at: http://mlis.state.md.us/cgi-win/web_statutes.exe The bill text is at http://mlis.state.md.us/2001rs/bills/hb/hb0141f.rtf Kathleen Loerich From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 19 16:35:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0JLZEp09208 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 16:35:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-8-142.s2174.apx1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.8.142] helo=twincam) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14JjBd-0005S1-00 ; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 16:35:09 -0500 Message-ID: <004401c0825e$fd37c080$8e082c42@twincam> From: "Kathleen Loerich" To: "Matthew Patton" , References: <20010119212953.30657.qmail@theglobe.com> Subject: Re: Motorcycle Licensing Alert from ABATE of MD Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 16:30:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 If shall and may are equal then there would be no change to the effect of the law. The proposed law changes from 'may by offered' to 'shall be offered'. My understanding is that shall is a requirement. But then that could just be the computer geek speaking. All of the requirements documents that I have seen use 'shall' to specify that a feature must be included in a product to conform to the requirements. k.loerich ----- Original Message ----- From: Matthew Patton To: Kathleen Loerich Cc: Sent: Friday, January 19, 2001 16:29 Subject: Re: Motorcycle Licensing Alert from ABATE of MD > I thought Black's Law dictionary (or was it a legal opinion) stated that "shall" and "may" were the same. Only "will" had any kind of definate force to it. > -- > > _______________________________________________ > Get your free email from http://mail.theglobe.com > > Powered by Outblaze > From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 19 16:36:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web903.mail.yahoo.com (web903.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.78]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f0JLaap09218 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 16:36:37 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 12456 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Jan 2001 21:36:33 -0000 Message-ID: <20010119213633.12455.qmail@web903.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.229.31.23] by web903.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 13:36:33 PST Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 13:36:33 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Water leakage in Aerostich RC To: Paul Wilson , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Paul Wilson wrote: > I rode to work in the deluge this morning in the > Aerostich and was rewarded > with a serious case of crotch leakage. Same problem here. I keep a change of clothes at work. It should be possible to just put on a pair of rainpants over the 'stich to keep the leaks out. It didn't look like it was raining enough to need that when I left, the farther I went, the worse the rain. It could have been worse; at least I wasn't in a cage. Leon. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 19 16:52:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: from ws3.us2.outblaze.com (ws3.us2.outblaze.com [208.184.211.199]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f0JLqup09402 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 16:52:56 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 8533 invoked by uid 1001); 19 Jan 2001 21:52:35 -0000 Message-ID: <20010119215235.8532.qmail@theglobe.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.117) From: "Matthew Patton" To: "Kathleen Loerich" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 16:52:34 -0500 Subject: Re: Motorcycle Licensing Alert from ABATE of MD right, but you're assuming a vernacular definition, not a legal one. To 'normal' people shall implies a requirement. Still if you consult Webster's you'll note that our vernacular use is actually wrong. http://www.dictionary.com/cgi-bin/dict.pl?term=shall has a nice little paragraph describing the issue at hand. Bear in mind that we get most of our legal definitions from England. In legal terms I believe "will" == "must". 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AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA ----VEVCHQV4DURWTUNCHUVOTYFODA705AV-- From dc-cycles-request Sat Jan 20 11:34:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: from gothic.answerlogic.com (gothic.answerlogic.com [38.203.217.7]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0KGYbp26671 for ; Sat, 20 Jan 2001 11:34:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from klingon (10.10.10.190 [10.10.10.190]) by gothic.answerlogic.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id DCD9T6GJ; Sat, 20 Jan 2001 11:31:09 -0500 Message-ID: <000e01c082fe$158a8ec0$be0a0a0a@answerlogic.com> From: "Han Park" To: References: Subject: test don't read Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 11:28:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 From dc-cycles-request Sat Jan 20 12:11:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0KHBEp27446 for ; Sat, 20 Jan 2001 12:11:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from merctech.com (user-2ivemo8.dsl.mindspring.com [165.247.91.8]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA00261 for ; Sat, 20 Jan 2001 12:11:11 -0500 (EST) From: bergman@XXXXXX Received: from biber (bergman@localhost) by merctech.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f0KH8Yb12223; Sat, 20 Jan 2001 12:08:34 -0500 Outbox: +outbox To: Stephen Harris cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Legalizing health ins. discrimination MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <12221.980010513.1@biber> Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 12:08:33 -0500 Message-ID: <12222.980010513@biber> [Sorry about the delay. I thought this mail went out a while ago. Mark] In your message dated: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 10:16:02 PST, your pithy ruminations on were: => At 10:00 AM 1/11/01 -0500, Bob Rapp wrote: => >Speaking from personal learning experience just last year.... Health => >insurance is not supposed to cover any injury involving a motor vehicle; => => => Racing is a excluded activity under all personal lines auto or motorcyc le => policies. While as a bicyclist or pedestrian you can collect from a => negligent 3rd party, or your own UM policy, no auto underwriter is going to => touch you if the event involves racing. I was under the impression that any accident at a non-racing track event, such as a track day or CLASS or the Keith Code school were also not covered by most insurance policies, as the event was not being held on a public road. This may have just been for vehicle damage, not medical. If my motorcycle policy refused coverage in this instance, I hope that my regular health plan would take over. All of this is not something I particularly want to test out! => [SNIP!] => Harris (who happens to work in the insurance biz and is bored today) => => => => Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? => Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm => --- Mark Bergman Biker, IATSE #1 Stagehand, Rock Climber, Unix mechanic '94 Yamaha GTS1000A bergman@XXXXXX I want a newsgroup with a infinite S/N ratio! Now taking CFV on: rec.motorcycles.stagehands.pet-bird-owners.pinballers.unix-supporters 5+ So Far--Want to join? Check out: http://www.panix.com/~bergman From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 22 02:44:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0M7iBp28445 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 02:44:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id f0M7jAn12930 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 02:45:11 -0500 From: Brian Roach Reply-To: roach@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Superbowl! Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 02:45:10 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.95.2] Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01012202451000.01002@www.mostlyharmless.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Heya! I don't know how mnay of you already have plans, but if you don't, please consider a DC-Cycles/Superbowl party at Roach Manor next weekend. Beer, munchies, motorcycles, and football... what could be better? Two large screen TVs will be tuned in, one of which is a 65" HDTV. I just got my HD receiver and need to get an antenna this week, but barring any technical difficulties it'll be set to go. I'm pretty psyched to see it in high definition :) I'm in Alexandria right off rt 395, but please RSVP for directions ("I'll try and make it" is fine) so I have an idea of how many people are going to be present. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 22 07:26:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web9701.mail.yahoo.com (web9701.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.129.137]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f0MCQGp02602 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 07:26:17 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20010122122614.78107.qmail@web9701.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [32.97.182.43] by web9701.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 04:26:14 PST Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 04:26:14 -0800 (PST) From: Scratch Subject: Cheesy Special Effects To: DCC MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Yesterday at the Will Stoner swap meet in York, I showed Dave Despain's camera man how they faked the earthquake scenes in those classic 70's disaster movies. You just back up to get a better look at the old Triumph, and find yourself standing on the tripod leg. Oops. That wasn't the only fun I had at the swap meet, though. I scored a might-as-well-be-new Shoei RF-700 for $75. I would have had Dave D. sign it had I thought of it. Rich __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 22 08:25:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0MDPgp03947 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 08:25:43 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 08:25:39 -0500 Message-Id: <200101220825.AA141230552@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: , "Paul Wilson" Subject: Re: Water leakage in Aerostich RC X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Paul Wilson" >I rode to work in the deluge this morning in the Aerostich and was rewarded >with a serious case of crotch leakage. On a bike without a substantial >fairing the water rolls down the front of the suit and right into the main >zipper just below the zipper flap. With my 2-piece Roadcrafter, I "blouse" the jacket out over the pants and very seldom have any crotch leakage. I guess yours is a one-piece: you might try adjusting the folds to shed water, or following Aerostich's extra-waterproofing recommendations. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 22 09:22:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web902.mail.yahoo.com (web902.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.77]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f0MEMup04719 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 09:22:56 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 23366 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Jan 2001 14:22:52 -0000 Message-ID: <20010122142252.23365.qmail@web902.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.192.134.198] by web902.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 06:22:52 PST Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 06:22:52 -0800 (PST) From: Justin Stefanon Subject: newbie (to area) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I've recently started a job in the district, and hope to soon have my '79 GS1000 back on the road. My prior riding experience is in Pennsylvania and the Shenandoah Valley (oh yes!). Aside from the obvious increase in traffic density and the fact that people around here seem to drive with their inner child at the wheel, are there any anomalies related to biking in DC Metro? Please share whatever you think I might find useful. Also, can you get away with parking on the sidewalk in the district, or do they ticket that around here? Thanks in advance, Justin Stefanon __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 22 09:38:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: from ravinc.com (mail.ravinc.com [216.181.133.51]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0MEc3p04924 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 09:38:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from roadrash [192.9.200.199] by ravinc.com [216.181.133.51] with SMTP (MDaemon.v3.0.3.R) for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 09:35:52 -0500 From: "Jay St. Peter" To: Cc: Subject: Re: Water leakage in Aerostich RC Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 09:36:39 -0500 Message-ID: <000901c08480$bc1cfab0$c7c809c0@roadrash> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Return-Path: jay.stpeter@XXXXXX X-MDRcpt-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-MDRemoteIP: 192.9.200.199 To combat 'stitch crotch leakage, I just wear some nylon warm up pants underneath. I had a pair that had snaps on the legs, get to work and rip 'em off. I'd occasionally have to adjust the ripples in the stitch near the crotch to avoid a little puddle that would leak above the nylon pants. Just stand up every so often to drain the crotch area so it doesn't soak through the nylon. The pair that worked the best was made for bicycling. In the summer I used to commute wearing shorts and a t-shirt under my 'stitch anyway, so I didn't really care. Just put my work clothes in a waterproof bag. From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 22 10:24:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r20.mx.aol.com (imo-r20.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.162]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0MFOop05518 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 10:24:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo-r20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id r.bb.b04c35d (15857); Mon, 22 Jan 2001 10:24:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from web37.aolmail.aol.com (web37.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.222.13]) by air-id05.mx.aol.com (v77.35) with ESMTP; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 10:24:29 -0500 Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 10:24:29 EST From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Subject: Re: newbie (to area) To: Cc: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: Welcome to the list. Can't tell you much about commuting into DC because I live in town and walk to work. When I go riding, it's usually to get out of town. However, I can tell you that DC drivers can't drive. They have poles running up their spines which prevent them from turning their necks. Ride around here under the assumption that no one sees you. That works the best for me. Also, watch out for potholes. They get so big that they swallow cars whole. Bikes are just appetizers. As for parking on the sidewalk, don't. You will get ticketed and possibly towed. And you don't want anyone down here towing your bike. You may not get it back in the condition you left it and the tow truck driver could care less. Hope all this helps. Scooter In a message dated Mon, 22 Jan 2001 9:25:19 AM Eastern Standard Time, Justin Stefanon writes: << I've recently started a job in the district, and hope to soon have my '79 GS1000 back on the road. My prior riding experience is in Pennsylvania and the Shenandoah Valley (oh yes!). Aside from the obvious increase in traffic density and the fact that people around here seem to drive with their inner child at the wheel, are there any anomalies related to biking in DC Metro? Please share whatever you think I might find useful. Also, can you get away with parking on the sidewalk in the district, or do they ticket that around here? Thanks in advance, Justin Stefanon __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ >> From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 22 10:47:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: from ws3.us2.outblaze.com (ws3.us2.outblaze.com [208.184.211.199]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f0MFlSp05879 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 10:47:28 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 23911 invoked by uid 1001); 22 Jan 2001 15:47:13 -0000 Message-ID: <20010122154713.23910.qmail@theglobe.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.117) From: "Matthew Patton" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 10:47:12 -0500 Subject: BMW parts bin If you ride a 70's or 80's BMW, Capital Cycle in Sterling is the place to go to look for all sorts of fittings, parts, and misc that you might want. 5 years ago apparently they were a 1st class act but have fallen into a sad shadow of a warehouse. The staff, such as it is is quite helpful. I can't recall the name of the local BMW list, so if any of you know the contact, feel free to redistribute. -- _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://mail.theglobe.com Powered by Outblaze From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 22 11:09:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail8.wlv.netzero.net (mail8.wlv.netzero.net [209.247.163.58]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f0MG9hp06196 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 11:09:44 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 21414 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2001 16:08:28 -0000 Received: from dialup-63.215.153.56.washington1.level3.net (HELO pawilson) (63.215.153.56) by mail8.wlv.netzero.net with SMTP; 22 Jan 2001 16:08:28 -0000 Message-ID: <006601c0848d$c59056c0$bb82fea9@pawilson> From: "Paul Wilson" To: References: <20010122142252.23365.qmail@web902.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: newbie (to area) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 11:07:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Just assume all the drivers around you are deaf and blind, and mentally unfit to breathe unassisted, let alone pilot a vehicle. [My misanthropic statement of the day.] Be especially alert to cars bearing diplomatic plates. They are literally above the law. Parking on the sidewalk is a ticketable offense in DC: $75 if memory serves. There's plenty of free mc parking downtown. The DC cycles web site has a listing. Paul in DC ----- Original Message ----- From: Justin Stefanon To: Sent: Monday, January 22, 2001 9:22 AM Subject: newbie (to area) > I've recently started a job in the district, and hope > to soon have my '79 GS1000 back on the road. My prior > riding experience is in Pennsylvania and the > Shenandoah Valley (oh yes!). Aside from the obvious > increase in traffic density and the fact that people > around here seem to drive with their inner child at > the wheel, are there any anomalies related to biking > in DC Metro? Please share whatever you think I might > find useful. Also, can you get away with parking on > the sidewalk in the district, or do they ticket that > around here? > > Thanks in advance, > Justin Stefanon > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > Shop online without a credit card http://www.rocketcash.com RocketCash, a NetZero subsidiary From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 22 11:56:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (tisch.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0MGuRp06824 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 11:56:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va14-47.ix.netcom.com [207.223.178.239]) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA25054; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 11:56:22 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3A6C6679.D96A6508@ix.netcom.com> Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 11:57:29 -0500 From: Chuck Pena Reply-To: the_penas@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles CC: Fred Grefe Subject: Office Depot/Garmin GPS - It pays to complain Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm sure everyone remembers the flurry of ordering and calling around when Fred first mentioned that Office Depot was selling the Garmin III+ GPS for $99. I am guessing only a very few people were actually able to get it at that price (probably by actually going to various Office Depot stores to see if they had any in stock). Basically, if you ordered on the web (like I did) it was backordered and then discontinued. Well, I complained pretty loudly to Office Depot about poor website management, misleading advertising, customer service, etc., etc. For the record, I was never informed the item was discontinued -- I had to call to verify that this was the case and that my backorder would never be filled. To make a long story short, I got a nice letter today from Office Depot today apologizing profusely all the problems surrounding the Garmin III+ GPS for $99. And along with the letter they sent me a $100 Office Depot gift certificate! That goes a long way to making up for the fact that I couldn't get my Garmin III+ GPS receiver as advertised and ordered. Chuck -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 22 12:03:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: from vasfw03.fdic.gov (vasfw03.fdic.gov [192.147.69.46]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0MH3Sp06971 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 12:03:28 -0500 (EST) Received: by vasfw03.fdic.gov; id MAA05102; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 12:03:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from unknown(151.174.4.145) by vasfw03.fdic.gov via smap (V5.5) id xma004696; Mon, 22 Jan 01 12:02:08 -0500 Received: by s00exc101.fdic.gov with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2651.58) id ; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 12:02:09 -0500 Message-ID: <42A213AA7052D21187EB080009DC7807049A675E@s01exc102.fdic.gov> From: "Myles, Gregory S." To: "'Paul Wilson'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: newbie (to area) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 12:02:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2651.58) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" As someone who commutes into DC almost daily by motorcycle, I think Paul's comments are right on. Last 2 accidents (none major, knock knock) I've had were due to lousy drivers or bad roads in the DC area. Folks are just plain crrrraaazy 'round here, specially during rush hours. One suggestion from experience - if you're ever involved in an accident in the DC metro area, don't lose any time verifying the offending driver's bona fides insurance-wise. DC's motor vehicle department is the pits in terms of tracking and dealing with motorists who either falsify their insurance info, or get insured for just long enough to get their registration and then don't bother sending in any more payments. Greg "Scratch" Myles Forum Host, Mid-Atlantic Motorcycle Riders Forum http://www.delphi.com/mmrf/start -----Original Message----- From: Paul Wilson [mailto:dchondarider@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, January 22, 2001 11:08 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: newbie (to area) Just assume all the drivers around you are deaf and blind, and mentally unfit to breathe unassisted, let alone pilot a vehicle. [My misanthropic statement of the day.] Be especially alert to cars bearing diplomatic plates. They are literally above the law. Parking on the sidewalk is a ticketable offense in DC: $75 if memory serves. There's plenty of free mc parking downtown. The DC cycles web site has a listing. Paul in DC ----- Original Message ----- From: Justin Stefanon To: Sent: Monday, January 22, 2001 9:22 AM Subject: newbie (to area) > I've recently started a job in the district, and hope > to soon have my '79 GS1000 back on the road. My prior > riding experience is in Pennsylvania and the > Shenandoah Valley (oh yes!). Aside from the obvious > increase in traffic density and the fact that people > around here seem to drive with their inner child at > the wheel, are there any anomalies related to biking > in DC Metro? Please share whatever you think I might > find useful. Also, can you get away with parking on > the sidewalk in the district, or do they ticket that > around here? > > Thanks in advance, > Justin Stefanon > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > Shop online without a credit card http://www.rocketcash.com RocketCash, a NetZero subsidiary From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 22 12:11:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: from cmr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net (cmr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net [198.5.241.38]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0MHBGp07056 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 12:11:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from imr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net by cmr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: imr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net [153.39.43.46]) id QQjzce13475 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 17:11:14 GMT Received: from [153.39.168.51] by imr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: macsupport10.corp.us.uu.net [153.39.168.51]) id QQjzce12819 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 17:09:57 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: sjordan@XXXXXX Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3A6C6679.D96A6508@ix.netcom.com> References: <3A6C6679.D96A6508@ix.netcom.com> Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 12:09:55 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Re: Office Depot/Garmin GPS - It pays to complain Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" I ordered 3! And boy, do I know how to bitch! $300 gift certificate, here I come....! -- "For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the skillful defiance of it." -Ernest Becker (1924-1974) Sean Jordan '93 Honda CBR1000F (Street) '90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race) WERA Novice #230 MARRC member #3038 From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 22 13:04:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0MI4Tp07831 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 13:04:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from GOINGRIDING@XXXXXX by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id 2.d0.1077c12e (16786) for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 13:04:06 -0500 (EST) From: GOINGRIDING@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 13:04:05 EST Subject: Burke riders? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_d0.1077c12e.279dd015_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 171 --part1_d0.1077c12e.279dd015_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just curious if there are any riders from Burke onlist? Just moved to Burke and I noticed a covered bike parked across the street in my townhouse complex. --part1_d0.1077c12e.279dd015_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just curious if there are any riders from Burke onlist?  Just moved to Burke
and I noticed a covered bike parked across the street in my townhouse complex.
--part1_d0.1077c12e.279dd015_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 22 15:44:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h012.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.176]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f0MKidp09914 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 15:44:40 -0500 (EST) Received: (cpmta 23982 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2001 12:44:31 -0800 Date: 22 Jan 2001 12:44:31 -0800 Message-ID: <20010122204431.23981.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 22 Jan 2001 20:44:31 GMT Received: from [205.229.56.13] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 22 Jan 2001 12:44:30 PST Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.8.1.2 Subject: helmet for sale A bike shop, that shall remain nameless, sold me a helmet that is too big. When I bought my bike in March, I bought a brand new, black, Shoe RF800. Love the helmet. Wore it all season, only to find out that, hmmmm, it's too big. Anyways... I am selling it. It has NEVER been crashed or dropped. It has chips on it from setting it on the ground and from rocks, but other than that, it's practically brand new (especially considering I've only ridden in it for about 3,000 miles) So, if you would like to buy your girlfriend, or yourself, a black Shoei in a size small (yes, that is too big for me) let me know. we can discuss price if you're seriously interested. But I guarantee you'll get a great deal. LAG ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 22 15:48:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f281.pav1.hotmail.com [64.4.30.156]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0MKmlp09982 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 15:48:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 12:48:38 -0800 Received: from 204.193.255.42 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 20:48:38 GMT X-Originating-IP: [204.193.255.42] From: "Doug Allis" To: GOINGRIDING@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Burke riders? Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 20:48:38 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Jan 2001 20:48:38.0693 (UTC) FILETIME=[B24FD550:01C084B4] Close. I'm in Springfield, off the Fairfax County Parkway. >From: GOINGRIDING@XXXXXX >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Burke riders? >Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 13:04:05 EST > >Just curious if there are any riders from Burke onlist? Just moved to >Burke >and I noticed a covered bike parked across the street in my townhouse >complex. > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 22 16:40:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r10.mx.aol.com (imo-r10.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.10]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0MLeqp10679 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 16:40:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from FGrefe@XXXXXX by imo-r10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id 2.c6.104af046 (4199) for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 16:35:50 -0500 (EST) From: FGrefe@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 16:35:49 EST Subject: Re: Office Depot/Garmin GPS - It pays to complain To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 127 > I ordered 3! And boy, do I know how to bitch! $300 gift certificate, > here I come....! > Sean, save yourself the trouble. The $100 gift certificate is going out to everyone for each order. If you ordered all 3 under the same name with the same account # then you will probably get a $100 certificate. I ordered 2, then 3 more for some west coasters who were unable to order. I registered with a different password the second time because I was afraid that if I tried to change the first order it might get wiped out. So 2 orders for 5 GPS units netted me $200 worth of gift certificates. If I had ordered all 5 separately then I'd be out getting a free Streetpilot right now. As it is I'm bummed to not get the cheap GPS, but I never really expected to. I'm pretty darn happy with $200 in OfficeDepot money. Fred Grefe From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 22 16:48:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: from ws3.us2.outblaze.com (ws3.us2.outblaze.com [208.184.211.199]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f0MLlwp10802 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 16:47:59 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 5258 invoked by uid 1001); 22 Jan 2001 21:47:56 -0000 Message-ID: <20010122214756.5257.qmail@theglobe.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.117) From: "Matthew Patton" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 16:47:55 -0500 Subject: Re: abortion infantacide/'choice' whatever you wish to call it, it's murder in my mind, and clearly not in yours. This isn't an issue such as drugs, alchohol, tobacco, or any of the miriad other vices to which the gov't has no ligitimate role. However, gov't IS responsible for enforcing the rules where it comes to the protection of life and property. And THAT is why it's proper for gov't to get involved. Where we are having disagreements is precisely at what stage the embryo deserves the protection of life. We tried this slippery slope before: first abortion was permissible within first term, then it extended to the 2nd term, then now we have murder at the moment of imminent birth. I can not be unpersuaded that every life is sacrosanct and thus I will never happily accept anything but total eradication. However, the innate condition of man is evil and will stoop to such extreme debauchery that we see now, all in the space of a few years. IF I were to have to work out a compromise it would be best case, up till the period wherein a baby is medically viable. 26 weeks I think is the limit of current medical skill (friend is a ER specialist in unborn and premies). But that really doesn't remove the stark problem with abortion on demand or it's counterpart - euthenasia. Is life really so worthless?!?! What in the world do you think goes through a child's mind when he realizes that his existence was but a whim of his parents? That his life could have been legally extinguished if his parents had decided they didn't want to be inconvenienced with a child at that particular time? Think about that. Feminista's and 'choice' people rant and rave but what if they themselves didn't exist? Let's go interview their parents and ask them if they really wanted their son or daughter. And if the answer was no, let's summarily execute those now grown men and women. Hell, why shouldn't we? Why do we manage to have two standards? We have a national epidemic of children with low-selfesteem the pundits like to say. Anyone want to take a stab at where they got it? The taking of life be it old or young because it's inconvenient is the absolute hight of selfishness, not to mention the ultimate expression of contempt for life, period. If we don't hold life itself to any high accord, what about property? What about any other sundry rights and liberties? From LIFE, flows everything else. Our founders KNEW this. Don't give me any crap about poverty becoming a problem. Or population control or of famine looming on the horizon for all of us. It's pure and utter, complete bull shit. Go look at the 'research' go see how they came to their conclusions. It's all about power: power to control lives, power to shape society how they see fit, power to 'manage' others in order to reach that "ideal" world. It has never worked, it never will. What about contraceptives? I'm all for them. Use a condom, use the pill, even use the morning-after pill if you must. Irresponsible sexual intercourse (selfishness) is unfortunately the rule in our society. It's depraved and despicable. But as a Christian I will attack the sin but not the sinner. I will hate homosexuality but not the homosexual. I will seek to pursuade you of the error of your ways but I can't force you with the coercive power of government. THAT is what the much bally-hooed and misapplied "separation of church and state" means. What most liberals (and sadly some Libertarians) do is try to make it "separation of state FROM church." Two VERY different things. Or they flip the roles around and try to force Christians to accept THEIR morals by force of law. I've said this before and I'll say it again: Government's role is properly confined to enforcing laws as they relate to Life and Property. Nothing more. (read the Federalist papers, read Lott, read Washington, read Jefferson, read, read, read) It's where we get into forcing morals by writ of law that the system breaks down and we have our current-day mess. Without morals a society is destroyed. Study the Greeks, study the Romans, study your history. Is it any wonder why gov't schools are such a failure and we have generations now of STUPID, uneducated, selfish people as fellow citizens? You don't need a college degree to read this stuff. You need only decent English and the ability to reason. How do you get that? By reading, reading and more reading. (I'll save my sermon on public schools for another day) I'll wrap up by saying, life is a responsibility. Being a citizen is a responsibility. (why I will own guns) Any 6th grader knows that when a man and woman lie together there is a good chance the woman will become pregnant. If you don't want the risks you have a couple options: don't do it, use a contraceptive, or live with the consequences - adoption is alive and healthy in case you didn't know... Our basic problem is that every one of us is selfish. And some of us (usually men) are so selfish that taking a life is of no consequence to our desires. THAT ought scare the bejeepers out of anybody. Abortion isn't about a "woman's right to choose what she does with her own body." She had a choice: it was "do I engage in sex or don't I." You don't get a second chance AFTER you've made your decision because you didn't like the outcome. Talk about mental gymnastics to support a non-logical conclusion. How rediculous is it for anyone to face that same question, but then attract aids, herpes, or other desease and now want to undo it. Can you? Of course not. It should be Newton's 4th law: for every action there is an outcome whether you damn well like it or not. It's like going too fast through a corner, loosing control and getting hurt on your MC, only to turn around and blame everybody but your own stupid self. What with all the State and charity run programs, health care, dietary assistance, housing, and you name it that's available for free no less, we have ZERO economic reason to resort to abortion. I'd love to live to see the day when we had an adoption problem. End sermon - pass the hat for the collection: to be given to Arlington Crisis Pregance Center. Where at least they respect life at any stage, any color, any gender, and any circumstance. They define compassion: not some addle-brained feel-good 'liberal' fighting for non-existant "rights." -- _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://mail.theglobe.com Powered by Outblaze From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 22 16:53:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: from ws3.us2.outblaze.com (ws3.us2.outblaze.com [208.184.211.199]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f0MLr1p10888 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 16:53:02 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 8129 invoked by uid 1001); 22 Jan 2001 21:53:00 -0000 Message-ID: <20010122215300.8128.qmail@theglobe.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.117) From: "Matthew Patton" To: LAURA GRANATO Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 16:52:59 -0500 Subject: Re: helmet for sale In the interest of squashing the "blame everyone but yourself" trend... > A bike shop, that shall remain nameless, sold me a helmet that is too big. should be reworded: "I bought a helmet from xxx bike shop and now after 3000 miles I've come to realize it's not the right size for me. ..." I have to ask, since when is it the dealer's fault for setting you up with the wrong size? Didn't you try it on? Didn't you think at the time that it was the right one for you? That said, I think I might take it if the price is right. I wear a small too. -- _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://mail.theglobe.com Powered by Outblaze From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 22 17:20:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0MMKap11276 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 17:20:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id f0MMLhn15511 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 17:21:43 -0500 From: Brian Roach Reply-To: roach@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: helmet for sale Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 17:21:43 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.95.2] Content-Type: text/plain References: <20010122215300.8128.qmail@theglobe.com> In-Reply-To: <20010122215300.8128.qmail@theglobe.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0101221721430B.01002@www.mostlyharmless.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Mon, 22 Jan 2001, Matthew Patton wrote: > In the interest of squashing the "blame everyone but yourself" trend... > > > A bike shop, that shall remain nameless, sold me a helmet that is too > > big. {snip} > I have to ask, since when is it the dealer's fault for setting you up with > the wrong size? Didn't you try it on? Didn't you think at the time that it > was the right one for you? Since Laura's at her work out... I'll chime in here (yeah yeah yeah... insert lovebird comment here :^P ) Laura had never owned a motorcycle helmet before, and trusted said dealer to be able to help her select the correct size. It's not a terrible fit, but it's definatly not perfect as the XS is much better (and is being ordered). They should have done a better job. More than likely they just didn't have an XS at the time, but I'm just guessing on that. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 22 17:23:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: from merctech.com (brickhouse1.iad1.sitesmith.com [63.94.228.10]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0MMNAp11294 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 17:23:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from biber (bergman@localhost) by merctech.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f0MMN0Z03685; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 17:23:00 -0500 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.2 06/23/2000 with nmh-1.0.4 To: "Matthew Patton" cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: bergman@XXXXXX Reply-To: bergman@XXXXXX Subject: Re: abortion In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 22 Jan 2001 16:47:55 EST." <20010122214756.5257.qmail@theglobe.com> References: <20010122214756.5257.qmail@theglobe.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 17:23:00 -0500 Message-ID: <3684.980202180@biber> In your message dated: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 16:47:55 EST, your pithy ruminations on were: => infantacide/'choice' whatever you wish to call it, it's murder in my mind, and clearly not in yo I don't care what you call it! Take your opinions somewhere where someone gives a damn, or go stand on the streetcorner and shout at passing cars, but KEEP THIS OFF TOPIC CRAP OUT OF THE MAILING LIST! Welcome to my killfile. It's nice to know that I won't have to read any more mail from you in the future, ever. Mark From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 22 17:36:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: from ws3.us2.outblaze.com (ws3.us2.outblaze.com [208.184.211.199]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f0MMaZp11517 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 17:36:35 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 30263 invoked by uid 1001); 22 Jan 2001 22:36:33 -0000 Message-ID: <20010122223633.30262.qmail@theglobe.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.117) From: "Matthew Patton" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 17:36:33 -0500 Subject: Re: abortion - sorry!!! major appologies. This was supposed to go to dccycles2 and I clicked on the wrong button. -- _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://mail.theglobe.com Powered by Outblaze From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 22 17:46:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: from relay1.nce.smtp.psi.net (relay1.nce.smtp.psi.net [38.9.152.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0MMkOp11653 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 17:46:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from [208.22.178.249] (helo=mail2.watsonwyatt.com) by relay1.nce.smtp.psi.net with smtp (Exim 3.13 #3) id 14KpjB-00076W-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 17:46:21 -0500 Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 17:43 -0500 From: "Tuan Diep" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Speedo calibration Message-ID: <20010122174515430-1656d53e@watsonwyatt.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I need to calibrate my bike's speedometer. Does anyone know of a reliable shop that can do it? Thanks. Tuan From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 22 18:10:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0MNAgp11954 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 18:10:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id f0MNBin15618 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 18:11:44 -0500 From: Brian Roach Reply-To: roach@XXXXXX To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Speedo calibration Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 18:11:44 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.95.2] Content-Type: text/plain References: <20010122174515430-1656d53e@watsonwyatt.com> In-Reply-To: <20010122174515430-1656d53e@watsonwyatt.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0101221811440F.01002@www.mostlyharmless.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Mon, 22 Jan 2001, Tuan Diep wrote: > I need to calibrate my bike's speedometer. Does anyone know of a reliable > shop that can do it? Thanks. Tuan What type of bike is it? Most bikes have the speedo pickup on the front wheel, which makes it pretty much impossible to do. Your best bet is to get someone with a car to help you, borrow a GPS and do it yourself, or find one of those Police drive-by radar thingies and make a few passes :) If it is one of the new ones on which the speedo works off the crank or flywheel, a shop with a dyno could help... but dynos are also notorious for not reporting speed correctly because of calibration issues :) Locally, Fast Lane Cycles in Chantilly and CycleAccessoryDiscounters (CAD) in MD both have dynos. Sorry I can't be of much more help. - Roach -- From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 22 18:36:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0MNaZp12372 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 18:36:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA12315 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 18:36:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtprelay3.abs.adelphia.net (smtprelay.abs.adelphia.net [64.8.20.11]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA16570 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 18:36:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from d478406837 ([216.174.23.107]) by smtprelay3.abs.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id G7L88K00.9PF; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 18:36:20 -0500 From: "Gary Foreman" To: "DC-Cycles Mailing List" , "Dccycles2" Subject: Motorcycle Mania on Discovery Channel Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 18:36:07 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal Has anyone seen this? I'm no Harley or cruiser rider, but I have a hell of an appreciation for the metal work Jessie James does building his bikes. From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 22 19:55:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h008.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.172]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f0N0tSp13498 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 19:55:29 -0500 (EST) Received: (cpmta 16644 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2001 16:55:20 -0800 Received: from 2Cust103.tnt9.tco2.da.uu.net (HELO oemcomputer) (63.15.224.231) by smtp.peoplepc.com (209.228.32.172) with SMTP; 22 Jan 2001 16:55:20 -0800 X-Sent: 23 Jan 2001 00:55:20 GMT Message-ID: <00a001c084d7$c5f3d3e0$e7e00f3f@oemcomputer> From: "Laura Granato" To: "Matthew Patton" Cc: References: <20010122215300.8128.qmail@theglobe.com> Subject: Re: helmet for sale Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 19:59:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 > > I have to ask, since when is it the dealer's fault for setting you up with the wrong size? Didn't you try it on? Didn't you think at the time that it was the right one for you? is someone's tighty whities in a bunch today? good god, and yes, Brian is right. I had never worn a helmet before and *said* dealer told me it fit correctly. I *told* them my I thought an XS was the right size, but they laughed at me. Now, I know better and am pissed, but hey...what can ya' do? Maybe you should take some Midol, hon...are you having a bad case of PMS? ;-) lol Laura From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 22 20:34:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0N1YQp14009 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 20:34:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-72-212.s212.tnt10.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.72.212] helo=todd) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14KsLl-0006wR-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 20:34:22 -0500 From: "Todd Peer" To: "AA DC-Cycles" Subject: helmet for sale... Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 20:32:15 -0500 Message-ID: <000001c084dc$519896c0$d4482c42@todd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 So, if you would like to buy your girlfriend, or yourself, a black Shoei in a size small (yes, that is too big for me) let me know. we can discuss price if you're seriously interested. But I guarantee you'll get a great deal. LAG --------------------------------------------------------------- Dang Beetlegeuse! Hope an XS works for you. I don't think they sell those little football helmets you can buy out of gumball machine anymore >:) Todd Peer (Springfield, VA) From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 22 20:44:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0N1iQp14135 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 20:44:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-72-212.s212.tnt10.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.72.212] helo=todd) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14KsVT-0001Dc-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 20:44:23 -0500 From: "Todd Peer" To: Subject: RE: dc-cycles digest for 01/22/01 Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 20:42:17 -0500 Message-ID: <000101c084dd$b7ea5340$d4482c42@todd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <200101230001.f0N01LH12686@dirty.meretrix.com> Matthew Patton, a normally retrospect sort of fellow, opined..... > From: "Matthew Patton" > Subject: Re: abortion > > infantacide/'choice' whatever you wish to call it, it's murder in > my mind, and clearly not in yours. This isn't an issue such as and then apologized.... > > major appologies. This was supposed to go to dccycles2 and I > clicked on the wrong button. > -- > Dang! That was a hell of a muddled argument I was all prepared to poke fun at!! How do I get on this other list again? Is there a digest? Unreasonable minds need to be heard!! Even if only among as likely unreasonable minds ;-) Todd From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 22 22:00:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (thehub.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0N30Np15130 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 22:00:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from micron (dialas-165.knight-hub.com [205.252.164.165]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA27383 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 22:00:16 -0500 Posted-Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 22:00:16 -0500 Message-ID: <004501c084e1$c7627380$a5a4fccd@micron> From: "mobacc" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Re: newbie (to area) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 21:11:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0042_01C084B7.DC302C00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0042_01C084B7.DC302C00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Welcome, Justin "Myles, Gregory S." proclaimed: ...snip lousy drivers or bad roads in the DC area. Folks are just plain crrrraaazy 'round here, specially during rush hours. =20 Yup. Particularly this time of year, this year. Election-induced COG = (change of government) dysfunction is coupling with FATSBEE (Frustration = Ascribed To Super Bowl Early Exiting) to multiply the normal SAD = (Seasonal Affective Disorder) syndrome. =20 As new to the area melee you might want to bite off a chunk at a time. = Off traffic/daylight, Off traffic/night, then the full whammy. Riding = around new routes some Saty/Sun 7ish am, weeknight 10p-12m should put = the road surfaces/signage in the familiar file. Rush hour attention = will be more focusable on the kamikazes. =20 There's been some agreement that riding in downtown D.C. can be less = harrowing than on the feederfares. Traffic, though frantic, is much = slower, everyone is paranoid (taxis and moped/bike messengers dart = about, street hazards change hourly), and lane filtering, though = illegal, is common. Visible gear is probably a plus. =20 Bike theft is a concern area-wide. One can start with some confidence = by always cabling or chaining to something deeply rooted, then back off = as comfortable. Several bikes a year on this list vanish, just for = starters. =20 Share some of your Shenandoah rides with us. Many people here travel = pretty widely. =20 Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 --> voting for return of El Nino Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. ------=_NextPart_000_0042_01C084B7.DC302C00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Welcome, Justin
 
"Myles, Gregory S." <GMyles@XXXXXX> = proclaimed:
...snip
lousy drivers or bad roads in the DC area.  = Folks are=20 just plain
crrrraaazy 'round here, specially during rush hours.  =
 
Yup.  Particularly this time of year, this = year. =20 Election-induced COG (change of government) dysfunction is coupling=20 with FATSBEE (Frustration Ascribed To Super Bowl Early Exiting) to = multiply=20 the normal SAD (Seasonal Affective Disorder) syndrome.  =
 
As new to the area melee you might want to bite off = a chunk at=20 a time.  Off traffic/daylight, Off traffic/night, then the full=20 whammy.  Riding around new routes some Saty/Sun 7ish am, weeknight = 10p-12m=20 should put the road surfaces/signage in the familiar file.  Rush = hour=20 attention will be more focusable on the kamikazes. 
 
There's been some agreement that riding in downtown = D.C. can=20 be less harrowing than on the feederfares.  Traffic, though = frantic, is=20 much slower, everyone is paranoid (taxis and moped/bike messengers dart = about,=20 street hazards change hourly), and lane filtering, though illegal, is=20 common.  Visible gear is probably a plus. 
 
Bike theft is a concern area-wide.  One can = start with=20 some confidence by always cabling or chaining to something deeply = rooted, then=20 back off as comfortable.  Several bikes a year on this list vanish, = just=20 for starters. 
 
Share some of your Shenandoah rides with us.  = Many people=20 here travel pretty widely. 
 
Bill S. / DC
99 VN750 --> voting for return of = El=20 Nino
Join the AMA.  Help protect my riding=20 fun.
------=_NextPart_000_0042_01C084B7.DC302C00-- From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 22 22:25:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail.rdc1.md.home.com (imail@XXXXXX [24.2.2.66]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0N3Pup15404 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 22:25:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from cj117103a ([24.6.106.133]) by mail.rdc1.md.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20010123032553.SKDW10139.mail.rdc1.md.home.com@cj117103a> for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 19:25:53 -0800 Message-ID: <005301c084eb$7a8213e0$856a0618@alex1.va.home.com> Reply-To: "James Reazor" From: "James Reazor" To: References: <20010117190229.29074.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> <0101171457010S.13001@www.mostlyharmless.net> <000901c080f6$a91af440$856a0618@alex1.va.home.com> <0101180156480V.13001@www.mostlyharmless.net> Subject: Re: For the observant Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 22:20:47 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Brian, That's the only solid argument I've heard so far from the anti-SV contingent. The previous winner from some knuckle head in Canada was, and I quote... "It's a girlie bike". I don't race so I can't comment on that aspect of it but the bike's a helluva lot of fun on the street. -James > The problem is that it doesn't fit in either catagory. Most SV racers you > talk to will tell you the reason the SV is better is that it's "new > technology". What they conveniently ignore is that it's allowed an over 50% > displacement advantage in WERA D-Superbike, and if you do the math the thing > does not compare well to other modern twins in the cc-to-hp department (or > even the FZR400 if the "standard" rule of +33% displacement for twins was > used and you adjust the numbers). > - Roach From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 22 22:50:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0N3oLp15798 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 22:50:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id f0N3pRn16456; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 22:51:27 -0500 From: Brian Roach Reply-To: roach@XXXXXX To: "James Reazor" , Subject: Re: For the observant Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 22:51:26 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.95.2] Content-Type: text/plain References: <20010117190229.29074.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> <0101180156480V.13001@www.mostlyharmless.net> <005301c084eb$7a8213e0$856a0618@alex1.va.home.com> In-Reply-To: <005301c084eb$7a8213e0$856a0618@alex1.va.home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0101222251260M.01002@www.mostlyharmless.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Mon, 22 Jan 2001, James Reazor wrote: > That's the only solid argument I've heard so far from the anti-SV > contingent. The previous winner from some knuckle head in Canada was, and I > quote... "It's a girlie bike". I don't race so I can't comment on that > aspect of it but the bike's a helluva lot of fun on the street. Thanks, I occasionally have coherant thoughts :) The bike is a great bike... light, great acceleration (twin torque), handling, etc. I wouldn't call it a "girlie" bike at all. For the street... it's a little bland for me - I'd get some plastic for it, but it is a very nice, especially for the price at which it's sold. I raced one during the WERA 6-hour at VIR, had a blast, and our team finished 12th overall (out of 37 teams, no LW class). Again - great value for the money, great performance (you do need to replace the suspension for track duty, but that's the same on all bikes). ::shrug:: I just wish it wasn't the only game in town in terms of new machinery... I really enjoy my high-reving, small-bore 4-cylinder. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 23 00:36:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (garicao@XXXXXX [151.200.199.10]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f0N5aDp17366 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 00:36:13 -0500 (EST) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id AAA06656; Tue, 23 Jan 1973 00:43:44 -0500 Date: Tue, 23 Jan 1973 00:43:44 -0500 (EST) From: Garcia Oliver To: Matthew Patton cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: abortion - sorry!!! In-Reply-To: <20010122223633.30262.qmail@theglobe.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 22 Jan 2001, Matthew Patton wrote: > major appologies. This was supposed to go to dccycles2 and I clicked on the wrong button. > -- Caramba, is that what you guys talk about on the "social" list? I'm stayin' here! --garcia From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 23 08:00:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail.his.com (root@XXXXXX [209.67.207.13]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0ND0dp23910 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 08:00:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from harris (max2h-180.his.com [216.32.85.180]) by mail.his.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA14422 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 08:00:35 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.20010123080141.01146834@his.com> X-Sender: harris@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 08:01:43 -0800 To: From: Stephen Harris Subject: Re: Speedo calibration Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 05:43 PM 1/22/01 -0500, you wrote: >I need to calibrate my bike's speedometer. Does anyone know of a reliable shop >that can do it? Thanks. Tuan Find a cop. Ask him to give you a read out for information. Most cops are pretty kool about that sort of thing. Their radar equip is more accurate (if done correctly) than the mechanical or magnetic speed sensing equipment on your bike. Or find one of those mobil speed display unit like the one on macarthur blvd. Tells the speed of the approaching vehicle. Trick is you have to time it to make sure no other cars are around. Plus, depending on your bike, you will have much smaller radar cross sectional area than the machine is set up for. Or get on a flat section of desolate highway with measured mile markers, crank up the idle speed such the bike will do a even 45 or so in top gear, and time it off a measured mile marker. Some bikes even have cruise control. Or, sit on your bike and have a friend measure the linear distance traveled forward by one rotation of the rear wheel. Taking the primary reduction ratio, gear ratio, and final drive ratio, you can calculate speed based on RPM. I have found, at daytona's high banks, that contact patch slippage and tire growth due centripetal force roughly cancel themselves out. This was verified with our FZR600 endurance bike back in '91 when we were measured thru the radar traps. Or take the bike to a shop with a dyno and ask them to estimate the speed. If you bike gets is speedo pickup from the front wheel all they will have to do is load the bike on the dyno backwards and correct for the negative rotation. If you bike does not read speed going backwards, front load it with the rear of the bike on the ramp supported with tie downs. I can think of more ways to do it, but I am tired of typing right now. Harris Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 23 08:52:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0NDqRp24977 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 08:52:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA15192 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 08:52:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from fin-out.finnegan.com (firewall-user@XXXXXX [38.241.51.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA02029 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 08:52:23 -0500 (EST) Received: by fin-out.finnegan.com; id IAA24368; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 08:52:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from unknown(192.68.20.4) by fin-out.finnegan.com via smap (V5.0) id xma024350; Tue, 23 Jan 01 08:52:03 -0500 Received: from FHFGD-Message_Server by netmail.finnegan.com with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 08:50:11 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5.3 Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 08:49:40 -0500 From: "Judy La Follette" To: , Subject: Re: Motorcycle Mania on Discovery Channel Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id f0NDqZp24978 I saw that show as well. I was really impressed too. He does some really nice work. >>> "Gary Foreman" 01/22/01 06:36PM >>> Has anyone seen this? I'm no Harley or cruiser rider, but I have a hell of an appreciation for the metal work Jessie James does building his bikes. From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 23 09:01:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: from gateway.lcsa.org (root@XXXXXX [204.188.41.222]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0NE1Pp25116 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 09:01:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from gwf ([192.168.0.229]) by gateway.lcsa.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA04967 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 09:05:52 -0500 From: "Gary Foreman" To: Subject: RE: Speedo calibration Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 09:01:05 -0500 Message-ID: <004301c08544$ed5ded40$e500a8c0@loudoun.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.20010123080141.01146834@his.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Importance: Normal I have a Garmin GPSIII+ and I have used a stopwatch and it seems dead on at 60mph. If you know someone with one of these, see if you can borrow it. Gary > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Harris [mailto:harris@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 11:02 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Speedo calibration > > > At 05:43 PM 1/22/01 -0500, you wrote: > >I need to calibrate my bike's speedometer. Does anyone know of > a reliable > shop > >that can do it? Thanks. Tuan > > > Find a cop. Ask him to give you a read out for > information. Most cops > are pretty kool about that sort of thing. Their radar equip is more > accurate (if done correctly) than the mechanical or magnetic speed sensing > equipment on your bike. > > Or find one of those mobil speed display unit like the one > on macarthur > blvd. Tells the speed of the approaching vehicle. Trick is you have to > time it to make sure no other cars are around. Plus, depending on your > bike, you will have much smaller radar cross sectional area than the > machine is set up for. > > Or get on a flat section of desolate highway with measured > mile markers, > crank up the idle speed such the bike will do a even 45 or so in top gear, > and time it off a measured mile marker. Some bikes even have > cruise control. > > Or, sit on your bike and have a friend measure the linear distance > traveled forward by one rotation of the rear wheel. Taking the primary > reduction ratio, gear ratio, and final drive ratio, you can > calculate speed > based on RPM. I have found, at daytona's high banks, that contact patch > slippage and tire growth due centripetal force roughly cancel themselves > out. This was verified with our FZR600 endurance bike back in '91 when we > were measured thru the radar traps. > > Or take the bike to a shop with a dyno and ask them to > estimate the speed. > If you bike gets is speedo pickup from the front wheel all they will have > to do is load the bike on the dyno backwards and correct for the negative > rotation. If you bike does not read speed going backwards, front load it > with the rear of the bike on the ramp supported with tie downs. > > I can think of more ways to do it, but I am tired of typing > right now. > > Harris > > Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? > Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm > From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 23 09:09:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web11508.mail.yahoo.com (web11508.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.40]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f0NE9Tp25204 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 09:09:30 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20010123140927.50388.qmail@web11508.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [147.208.3.64] by web11508.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 06:09:27 PST Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 06:09:27 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: RE: Speedo calibration To: Gary Foreman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I think he is looking for something admissible in court. And while your GPS might be accurate its not certified by the state to use in court to defend yourself. He needs a shop that is certified to do this work. Glenn --- Gary Foreman wrote: > I have a Garmin GPSIII+ and I have used a stopwatch > and it seems dead on at > 60mph. If you know someone with one of these, see > if you can borrow it. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 23 09:11:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: from barry.mail.mindspring.net (barry.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.25]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0NEBep25227 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 09:11:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va13-05.ix.netcom.com [207.223.178.133]) by barry.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA22017; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 09:11:36 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3A6D915E.6636E478@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 09:12:46 -0500 From: Chuck Pena Reply-To: the_penas@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles CC: DCCycles2 Subject: Re: Motorcycle Mania on Discovery Channel References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I saw the show a while back. Definitely some trick stuff. I wasn't too impressed with how he took care of his dogs (if I remember correctly, he left them in the garage -- maybe as guard dogs, they're pit bulls -- and one of them killed the other). And one nice perq of being in the custom cruiser biz is that the cruiser mags send over models who drape themselves all over the bikes! %^) Judy La Follette wrote: > > I saw that show as well. I was really impressed too. He does some really nice work. > > >>> "Gary Foreman" 01/22/01 06:36PM >>> > Has anyone seen this? I'm no Harley or cruiser rider, but I have a hell of > an appreciation for the metal work Jessie James does building his bikes. -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 23 09:30:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web904.mail.yahoo.com (web904.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.79]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f0NEUup25641 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 09:30:56 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 124 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Jan 2001 15:20:10 -0000 Message-ID: <20010123152010.123.qmail@web904.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.229.31.23] by web904.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 07:20:10 PST Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 07:20:10 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: RE: Speedo calibration To: Gary Foreman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I have an Eagle (Lowrance) GPS so the calculations might be slightly different than the Garmin. The GPS is pretty good for displaying accurate speed. It isn't particularly reliable about it though. If you're riding under a canopy of trees or in a tunnel, the speed will gradually decrease. When I download the plot trail, I find several really bad readings. For example, if I set it to record a waypoint every 10 seconds, I should be able to determine the speed. About 10% of the speeds recorded are off by more than 10 mph from what it should be. Leon. --- Gary Foreman wrote: > I have a Garmin GPSIII+ and I have used a stopwatch > and it seems dead on at > 60mph. If you know someone with one of these, see > if you can borrow it. > > Gary > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Stephen Harris [mailto:harris@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 11:02 AM > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Re: Speedo calibration > > > > > > At 05:43 PM 1/22/01 -0500, you wrote: > > >I need to calibrate my bike's speedometer. Does > anyone know of > > a reliable > > shop > > >that can do it? Thanks. Tuan > > > > > > Find a cop. Ask him to give you a read out for > > information. Most cops > > are pretty kool about that sort of thing. Their > radar equip is more > > accurate (if done correctly) than the mechanical > or magnetic speed sensing > > equipment on your bike. > > > > Or find one of those mobil speed display unit > like the one > > on macarthur > > blvd. Tells the speed of the approaching vehicle. > Trick is you have to > > time it to make sure no other cars are around. > Plus, depending on your > > bike, you will have much smaller radar cross > sectional area than the > > machine is set up for. > > > > Or get on a flat section of desolate highway with > measured > > mile markers, > > crank up the idle speed such the bike will do a > even 45 or so in top gear, > > and time it off a measured mile marker. Some > bikes even have > > cruise control. > > > > Or, sit on your bike and have a friend measure > the linear distance > > traveled forward by one rotation of the rear > wheel. Taking the primary > > reduction ratio, gear ratio, and final drive > ratio, you can > > calculate speed > > based on RPM. I have found, at daytona's high > banks, that contact patch > > slippage and tire growth due centripetal force > roughly cancel themselves > > out. This was verified with our FZR600 endurance > bike back in '91 when we > > were measured thru the radar traps. > > > > Or take the bike to a shop with a dyno and ask > them to > > estimate the speed. > > If you bike gets is speedo pickup from the front > wheel all they will have > > to do is load the bike on the dyno backwards and > correct for the negative > > rotation. If you bike does not read speed going > backwards, front load it > > with the rear of the bike on the ramp supported > with tie downs. > > > > I can think of more ways to do it, but I am tired > of typing > > right now. > > > > Harris > > > > Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? > > Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 23 09:54:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: from es05.hosts.jhmi.edu (es05.hosts.jhmi.edu [162.129.224.75]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0NEsUp25903 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 09:54:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from peabody.jhu.edu (stevendipietro.peabody1.jhmi.edu [10.224.65.91]) by es05.hosts.jhmi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA00451; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 09:39:54 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3A6D980C.7129B691@peabody.jhu.edu> Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 09:41:16 -0500 From: "Steven C. Di Pietro" Organization: Peabody Institute of The Johns Hopkins University X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Todd Peer CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 01/22/01 References: <000101c084dd$b7ea5340$d4482c42@todd> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Todd Peer wrote: > Matthew Patton, a normally retrospect sort of fellow, opined..... > > > From: "Matthew Patton" > > Subject: Re: abortion > > > > infantacide/'choice' whatever you wish to call it, it's murder in > > my mind, and clearly not in yours. This isn't an issue such as > > > and then apologized.... > > > > major appologies. This was supposed to go to dccycles2 and I > > clicked on the wrong button. > > -- > > > > Dang! That was a hell of a muddled argument I was all prepared to poke fun > at!! > > How do I get on this other list again? Is there a digest? Unreasonable > minds need to be heard!! Even if only among as likely unreasonable minds > ;-) > > Todd Todd, You can join us at: http://www.egroups.com/group/dccycles2 That list is still rolling along, great stuff there. Minister Steven C. Di Pietro Church of the Circle From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 23 10:16:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: from cmr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net (cmr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net [198.5.241.38]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0NFGPp26232 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 10:16:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from imr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net by cmr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: imr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net [153.39.43.46]) id QQjzfp11388 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 15:16:22 GMT Received: from [153.39.168.51] by imr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: macsupport10.corp.us.uu.net [153.39.168.51]) id QQjzfp17289 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 15:16:02 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: sjordan@XXXXXX Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 10:16:00 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Re: Office Depot/Garmin GPS - It pays to complain Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" I got home last night and started flipping through the USPS's offerings for the day, when I noticed an envelope from Office Depot. They said they were sorry and sent me $100 in gift certificates too. No bitching necessary. Sweet! Now if only they had something I wanted.... -- "For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the skillful defiance of it." -Ernest Becker (1924-1974) Sean Jordan '93 Honda CBR1000F (Street) '90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race) WERA Novice #230 MARRC member #3038 From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 23 10:26:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net (blount.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.226]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0NFQ2p26334 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 10:26:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va19-07.ix.netcom.com [207.223.180.135]) by blount.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA27704; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 10:25:58 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3A6DA2CC.E4D30134@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 10:27:08 -0500 From: Chuck Pena Reply-To: the_penas@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sean Jordan CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Office Depot/Garmin GPS - It pays to complain References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Sean, you can give me your $100 in Office Depot money if you don't want it!!! %^) Chuck Sean Jordan wrote: > > I got home last night and started flipping through the USPS's > offerings for the day, when I noticed an envelope from Office Depot. > They said they were sorry and sent me $100 in gift certificates too. > No bitching necessary. Sweet! Now if only they had something I > wanted.... -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 23 10:32:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: from cmr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net (cmr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net [198.5.241.38]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0NFWAp26457 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 10:32:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from imr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net by cmr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: imr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net [153.39.43.46]) id QQjzfq00547 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 15:32:08 GMT Received: from [153.39.168.51] by imr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: macsupport10.corp.us.uu.net [153.39.168.51]) id QQjzfq20697 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 15:31:47 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: sjordan@XXXXXX Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3A6DA2CC.E4D30134@ix.netcom.com> References: <3A6DA2CC.E4D30134@XXXXXX> Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 10:31:45 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Re: Office Depot/Garmin GPS - It pays to complain Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >Hey Sean, you can give me your $100 in Office Depot money if you don't >want it!!! %^) You used that damn contorted smiley face again...so for that, I will endeavor to find something from OD so that you can't have the GF. HAHAHAHA!!!! -- "For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the skillful defiance of it." -Ernest Becker (1924-1974) Sean Jordan '93 Honda CBR1000F (Street) '90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race) WERA Novice #230 MARRC member #3038 From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 23 12:13:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0NHD0p27805 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 12:13:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66-44-41-133.s387.tnt1.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.41.133] helo=pawilson) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14L705-0005pp-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 12:12:58 -0500 Message-ID: <01ec01c0855f$cdcfaa20$bb82fea9@pawilson> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc-cycles list" References: <004501c084e1$c7627380$a5a4fccd@micron> Subject: Re: newbie (to area) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 12:12:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 ----- Original Message ----- From: mobacc "Yup. Particularly this time of year, this year. Election-induced COG (change of government) dysfunction is coupling with FATSBEE (Frustration Ascribed To Super Bowl Early Exiting) to multiply the normal SAD (Seasonal Affective Disorder) syndrome. " You forgot to mention that perennially active group of critters, the Road Royals, or as I call them the "FAYLiPs" "F all you little people." Those are the ones who will trade your life or limb to get to where they're going sooner because they're sooo important. Paul in DC From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 23 12:43:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0NHhbp28196 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 12:43:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va25-49.ix.netcom.com [207.223.162.113]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA04686; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 12:43:33 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3A6DC30A.5D1EB6CA@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 12:44:42 -0500 From: Chuck Pena Reply-To: the_penas@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sean Jordan CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Office Depot/Garmin GPS - It pays to complain References: <3A6DA2CC.E4D30134@XXXXXX> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sean, %^) this, buddy! %^) I went to Office Depot yesterday and spent 50 of my freebie dollars. Bought myself a NiMH battery charger (w/2 AA batteries) -- would've bought more batteries but they didn't have any -- and Dune 2000 and Tiger Woods '99 PC games (these were on sale as they are "old"). Will go back when they have more batteries. Still need to figure out what I'm going to spend the rest of the $$$ on. I need a 16MB or 32MB SmartMedia card (and a card reader) but they don't sell them (only compact flash memory). Maybe a 4-port USB hub? Moto content: OD might have some older m/c PC games on the closeout shelf, e.g., Road Rash, MotoRacer, maybe even the previous edition of World SuperBike (which is an EA title and they seem to be unloading a lot of older EA titles). Chuck Sean Jordan wrote: > > You used that damn contorted smiley face again...so for that, I will > endeavor to find something from OD so that you can't have the GF. > HAHAHAHA!!!! -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 23 15:03:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: from pmesmtp01.wcom.com (pmesmtp01.wcom.com [199.249.20.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0NK3Rp00318 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 15:03:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42256) id <0G7M00C01SWCO9@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 20:00:12 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp02.wcomnet.com ([166.38.62.37]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42256) with ESMTP id <0G7M009ILSWCWM@XXXXXX>; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 20:00:12 +0000 (GMT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by pmismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42259) id <0G7M00D01SWBBD@XXXXXX>; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 20:00:12 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp02.wcomnet.com by pmismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42259) with SMTP id <0G7M00D01SVZ8H@XXXXXX>; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 20:00:08 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.226]) by pmismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42259) with ESMTP id <0G7M00CDASVS5Y@XXXXXX>; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 19:59:52 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 14:59:49 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: abortion - sorry!!! To: Garcia Oliver Cc: Matthew Patton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3A6DE2B5.180E796E@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: Garcia Oliver wrote: > Caramba, is that what you guys talk about on the "social" list? I'm > stayin' here! Bikers talking about everything except bikes. It's a refreshing change. :) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi 1982 Suzuki GS850G 1987 Kawasaki Concours - untitled, un-named, previously un-loved New Member, Concours Rescue Society From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 23 21:35:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web9010.mail.yahoo.com (web9010.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.128.172]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f0O2YSp05503 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 21:34:36 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20010124004710.15320.qmail@web9010.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.8.43.134] by web9010.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 16:47:10 PST Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 16:47:10 -0800 (PST) From: Tight Squeeze Racing Subject: Re: Office Depot/Garmin GPS - It pays to complain To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Sean.Jordan@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Sean Jordan >I got home last night and started flipping through the USPS's >offerings for the day, when I noticed an envelope from Office Depot. >They said they were sorry and sent me $100 in gift certificates too. >No bitching necessary. Sweet! Now if only they had something I >wanted.... How about you send it to the Injury Fund, and we'll give you five raffle tickets for it? The I.F. always needs toner, paper, mailing supplies, postage, etc. http://www.tightsqueezeracing.org/raffle.htm __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 23 22:29:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web9009.mail.yahoo.com (web9009.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.128.171]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f0O3T7p07191 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 22:29:18 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20010124004152.61026.qmail@web9009.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.8.43.134] by web9009.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 16:41:52 PST Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 16:41:52 -0800 (PST) From: Tight Squeeze Racing Subject: Re: Speedo calibration To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Stephen Harris >Find a cop. Ask him to give you a read out for information. He probably already did, and that's why he needs the calibration.:) >Most cops are pretty kool about that sort of thing. Yup, they'll give a ticket to anyone. >Their radar equip is more accurate (if done correctly) than the >mechanical or magnetic speed sensing equipment on your bike. Yeah...like he(motorcyclist) was even looking at the speedo when he flew through the speedtrap. Hey, I lasted two whole days without posting. Don't worry, I'm here mainly to lurk. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 24 01:52:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp2.abac.com (smtp2.abac.com [216.55.128.11]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0O6qJp10042 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 01:52:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from 0000bk820000 (ip70.charleston3.sc.pub-ip.psi.net [38.30.242.70]) by smtp2.abac.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id f0O6qKM96638 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 22:52:20 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <001901c085d2$3e2ae9c0$46f21e26@0000bk820000> From: "Howard J. Koontz" To: Subject: A weeks worth of posts... Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 01:52:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0016_01C085A8.537EE940" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C085A8.537EE940 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey, Since I read often but write rarely, I respond to posts I read in = bunches. Here are the latest batch of thoughts I've managed: .....Parking for motorcycles? I recall parking at 14th and K NW = each morning whilst I worked at 14th and L, and never had any kinda = problems. Yes you had to pay for it, I think about 2 bucks for 4 hours = or so, so I'd just pay when I got to work, then take a walk at lunch to = feed the meter once again. i never saw a bike get towed for non-payment, = but I never took the chance with my bike. Tires were never marked by = meter readers or anything, and hell, 4 bucks a day parking beat parking = my truck at the Silver Spring Metro parking garages, then paying Metro = fares on top of that. .....Um, I wondered aloud about the comment to the guy with the = PC800 moving here. He was looking for good roads in the area. I know the = Shenandoa (sp.?) is a sort of Mecca for us riders, but c'mon, don't = count out N. Cent. MD, SW/S. Cent. PA or even Southern MD, depending on = what kind of road you're looking for. We took a lovely ride down south = to Soloman's Island by way of North Beach and the western shore of the = bay. All in all a good 300-mile day. I highly recomend it. .....Blue Ridge Parkway. 45 MPH? I guess it's supposed to be. But = try and keep an 1100, a 1000 and a 600 (sportbikes all) under 45. Over = the last three trips we have taken down there, we have seen one speed = trap once (not counting off-Parkway excursions to the State and Federal = parks along the way. Mt. Pisgah ), and we were warned miles = in advance by everything from bikes to RV's. Go on the trip, go fast = while you're there and have fun. (I even have the pictures to prove it = http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3D1014724=3D8073301 ) .....Someone was looking for info on a SOHC Honda 750? There is a = local SOHC list around here, I heard a few weeks ago that they are = having a meeting up in Thurmont in the near future. Does anyone know = about this club? .....Wanna buy a bike? Try=20 http://www.classifieds2000.com/cg-cls/ad.exe?P61+C18+A0+R178727+Q25692780= 9 That's enough for tonite, maybe more in a few weeks. Howard J. Koontz HOFOJOKO@XXXXXX 1998 CBR600F3 (For Sale) 1972 Honda Z50AK3 Mini Trail (For Sale) "The sun's not yella', it's chicken" ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C085A8.537EE940 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hey,
     Since I read = often but=20 write rarely, I respond to posts I read in bunches. Here are the latest = batch of=20 thoughts I've managed:
     .....Parking = for=20 motorcycles? I recall parking at 14th and K NW each morning whilst I = worked at=20 14th and L, and never had any kinda problems. Yes you had to pay for it, = I think=20 about 2 bucks for 4 hours or so, so I'd just pay when I got to work, = then take a=20 walk at lunch to feed the meter once again. i never saw a bike get towed = for=20 non-payment, but I never took the chance with my bike. Tires were never = marked=20 by meter readers or anything, and hell, 4 bucks a day parking beat = parking my=20 truck at the Silver Spring Metro parking garages, then paying Metro = fares on top=20 of that.
     .....Um, I = wondered aloud=20 about the comment to the guy with the PC800 moving here. He was = looking for=20 good roads in the area. I know the Shenandoa (sp.?) is a sort of Mecca = for us=20 riders, but c'mon, don't count out N. Cent. MD, SW/S. Cent. PA or = even=20 Southern MD, depending on what kind of road you're looking for. We took = a lovely=20 ride down south to Soloman's Island by way of North Beach and the = western shore=20 of the bay. All in all a good 300-mile day. I highly recomend=20 it.
     .....Blue = Ridge Parkway.=20 45 MPH? I guess it's supposed to be. But try and keep an 1100, a 1000 = and a 600=20 (sportbikes all) under 45. Over the last three trips we have taken down = there,=20 we have seen one speed trap once (not counting off-Parkway excursions to = the=20 State and Federal parks along the way. Mt. Pisgah <hint> = <hint>),=20 and we were warned miles in advance by everything from bikes to RV's. Go = on the=20 trip, go fast while you're there and have fun. (I even have the pictures = to=20 prove it = http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3D1014724=3D8073301 = )
     .....Someone = was looking=20 for info on a SOHC Honda 750? There is a local SOHC list around here, I = heard a=20 few weeks ago that they are having a meeting up in Thurmont in the near = future.=20 Does anyone know about this club?
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------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C085A8.537EE940-- From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 24 09:58:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f89.law11.hotmail.com [64.4.17.89]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0OEwpp18170 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 09:58:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 06:58:42 -0800 Received: from 204.253.195.194 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 14:58:42 GMT X-Originating-IP: [204.253.195.194] From: "Robert E. Lee" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: New to list - Saying 'hi' Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 09:58:42 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jan 2001 14:58:42.0862 (UTC) FILETIME=[24A5C4E0:01C08616] Aloha, I've just joined the list though I'm sure some of you folks know me from various affiliations. I've gone to the International Moto show the past 2 years w/ Anita and the 'bus ride' and saw a few of you at the Philly Show this year. Don't forget New York is coming up Feb 23-25. I'm an MSF Novice/Experienced instructor in Virginia, track rider, CCS racing #695 (Amateur), Team Pro-motion and Club PCS control rider. Current rides are a 1994 Yamaha FZR 1000 for street and track day use, 2 race prepped Kawi EX 500's, Yam PW 50 pit bike for my son (who is 4 1/2 and still learning about straight line bicycling.....no really it is for him....hee hee) I live in VA and work in Reston. I just returned from Roebling Road in Savannah, Georgia and a 2 day track weekend w/ Team Pro-motion on Jan 20,21. You can see us and what we do at www.teampromotion.com We've got a full schedule of track events this year which can be found on the website if you'd like to try your bike on a track. There is instruction available and also rental bikes coming soon. I posted a couple pics on my site from the day at Roebling and they can be found under the tab TRACK DAY PHOTOS on http://communities.msn.com/TropicalKnightsRacingTeam . Take care and ride safe. robert n3speed@XXXXXX _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 24 11:26:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mclean.mail.mindspring.net (mclean.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.57]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0OGQfp19548 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 11:26:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va14-07.ix.netcom.com [207.223.178.199]) by mclean.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA02122 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 11:26:34 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3A6F027B.CD5FCE7F@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 11:27:39 -0500 From: Chuck Pena Reply-To: the_penas@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Radar detector question Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Since I live in VA, this is a purely rhetorical/hypothetical question. ;^) Anyone use a radar detector on their m/c? What's been your experience/results? I'm intrigued by the new BEL 946 cordless radar detector http://www.beltronics.com/bel946.htm because it includes an earphone and pocket reflector feature specifically for motorcycle use. What's not clear to me is whether the pocket reflector has to be exposed outside the pocket. If you only have an inside jacket pocket (as I do), then this feature would be worthless. Thoughts? Anyone?? Bueller??? Chuck -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 24 11:55:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web119.yahoomail.com (web119.mail.yahoo.com [205.180.60.120]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f0OGtEp20002 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 11:55:14 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 14650 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Jan 2001 16:55:11 -0000 Message-ID: <20010124165511.14649.qmail@web119.yahoomail.com> Received: from [208.131.90.209] by web119.yahoomail.com; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 08:55:11 PST Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 08:55:11 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: Radar detector question To: the_penas@XXXXXX, DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii He's back!!!!!!! Hey everybody, I am back on the list. The first email I got was that abortion diatribe, just the reason I left this list in the first place. Chuck, the word on battery operated rds is not good. I read an article at one point that they do not compare well to directly powered machines. I had a wireless passport which sucked. That being said.....they are certainly better than nothing. I am sure its better to have reflector on the outside, but not totally needed. Anytime the unit is inside your pocket, the efficiency has to be dimishished. That and the battery issue may make this radar detector not too useful. But again, something is better than nothing. Remember, you they can detect these machines, if the trooper has a detector detector (i got a ticket for this near Lexington). Hope this helps. Mark --- Chuck Pena wrote: > Since I live in VA, this is a purely > rhetorical/hypothetical question. > ;^) > > Anyone use a radar detector on their m/c? What's > been your > experience/results? I'm intrigued by the new BEL > 946 cordless radar > detector http://www.beltronics.com/bel946.htm > because it includes an > earphone and pocket reflector feature specifically > for motorcycle use. > What's not clear to me is whether the pocket > reflector has to be exposed > outside the pocket. If you only have an inside > jacket pocket (as I do), > then this feature would be worthless. > > Thoughts? Anyone?? Bueller??? > > Chuck > > -- > "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai > visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 24 12:02:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: from ffxex01.co.fairfax.va.us (ffxex01.co.fairfax.va.us [166.94.50.68]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0OH2Jp20144 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 12:02:23 -0500 (EST) Received: by ffxex01.co.fairfax.va.us with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 11:42:17 -0500 Message-ID: <890030663D28D411926F00D0B7695988AFC862@ffxex09.co.fairfax.va.us> From: Michael.Withrow@XXXXXX To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Radar detector question Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 11:44:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain I asked the same question a few years back on another list. Most reported as a good setup. The detector with reflector can be in an inside pocket. The radar energy will pass through your jacket and be detected. I never bothered with one since detectors in general are only good when someone else is getting zapped. On the bike, I am usually out front, so I would be the first one tagged anyway. :) Todd -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Pena To: DC Cycles Sent: 1/24/01 11:27 AM Subject: Radar detector question Since I live in VA, this is a purely rhetorical/hypothetical question. ;^) Anyone use a radar detector on their m/c? What's been your experience/results? I'm intrigued by the new BEL 946 cordless radar detector http://www.beltronics.com/bel946.htm because it includes an earphone and pocket reflector feature specifically for motorcycle use. What's not clear to me is whether the pocket reflector has to be exposed outside the pocket. If you only have an inside jacket pocket (as I do), then this feature would be worthless. Thoughts? Anyone?? Bueller??? Chuck -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 24 12:09:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: from ffxex01.co.fairfax.va.us (ffxex01.co.fairfax.va.us [166.94.50.68]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0OH9Jp20264 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 12:09:20 -0500 (EST) Received: by ffxex01.co.fairfax.va.us with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 12:03:59 -0500 Message-ID: <890030663D28D411926F00D0B7695988AFC864@ffxex09.co.fairfax.va.us> From: Michael.Withrow@XXXXXX To: markkitchell@XXXXXX, the_penas@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Radar detector question Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 12:06:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain There are only a few detector detector in use by the State PD, *BUT* if you brake hard when the Officer/Trooper lights you up, that is probable cause for a search. I doubt any local PD guys would bother searching for a detector, but the Traffic Nazis (State Troopers), might. Just something to think about. Not saying that anyone is carrying anything they shouldn't, but it is pretty undignified getting groped on the side of the road. Then again, some may like it. Todd W. -----Original Message----- From: Mark Kitchell To: the_penas@XXXXXX; DC Cycles Sent: 1/24/01 11:55 AM Subject: Re: Radar detector question Remember, you they can detect these machines, if the trooper has a detector detector (i got a ticket for this near Lexington). Hope this helps. Mark From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 24 12:23:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: from wbln0014.worldbank.org (wbln0014.worldbank.org [138.220.29.7]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0OHNPp20526 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 12:23:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from WBLN0014.worldbank.org (wbln0014.worldbank.org) by wbln0014.worldbank.org (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.1.5) with ESMTP id ; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 12:03:14 -0500 Subject: Re: Radar detector question To: the_penas@XXXXXX Cc: DC Cycles X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.4 June 8, 2000 Message-ID: From: jitabashi@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 12:03:08 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on WBLN0014/Facility/World Bank(Release 5.0.5 |September 22, 2000) at 01/24/2001 12:03:14 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Radar (X,K,Ka)would penetrate through your jacket, so that would not be a problem if the reflector was not showing. Laser (L.I.D.A.R.?) being light would not, so you would have to have the reflector exposed to detect laser. I am not sure what SWS is so I can't not comment on that. James Itabashi The World Bank Group Site 8 SMS Administrator ISGGC - ISGITC 202-458-1697 x.81697 I2-165D jitabashi@XXXXXX Chuck Pena tcom.com> cc: Subject: Radar detector question 01/24/2001 11:27 AM Please respond to the_penas Since I live in VA, this is a purely rhetorical/hypothetical question. ;^) Anyone use a radar detector on their m/c? What's been your experience/results? I'm intrigued by the new BEL 946 cordless radar detector http://www.beltronics.com/bel946.htm because it includes an earphone and pocket reflector feature specifically for motorcycle use. What's not clear to me is whether the pocket reflector has to be exposed outside the pocket. If you only have an inside jacket pocket (as I do), then this feature would be worthless. Thoughts? Anyone?? Bueller??? Chuck -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 24 12:51:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: from lycanthrope.crosslink.net (lycanthrope.crosslink.net [206.246.124.36]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0OHpjp21040 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 12:51:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailserver1.crosslink.net (yeti.crosslink.net [206.246.124.17]) by lycanthrope.crosslink.net (8.9.3/) with ESMTP id MAA16346 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 12:51:40 -0500 X-Really-To: Received: from [128.38.92.19] (account ) by mailserver1.crosslink.net (CommuniGate Pro WebUser 3.1) with HTTP id 28886519 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 12:51:40 -0500 From: biga@XXXXXX (Andrew Culpepper) Subject: Re: Radar detector question To: DC Cycles X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro Web Mailer v.3.1 Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 12:51:40 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20010124165511.14649.qmail@web119.yahoomail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" On Wed, 24 Jan 2001 08:55:11 -0800 (PST) Mark Kitchell wrote: > is better than nothing. Remember, you they can detect > these machines, if the trooper has a detector detector > (i got a ticket for this near Lexington). I have the 946 but haven't used it on the bike. I use it in the car/truck all the time. It's always given me plenty of warning but doesn't have the range of the Valentine. It also has the VG2 detector/guard which shuts the receiver down when a VG2 receiver is detected. It really works. I've had this alert one time on 95 just north of Richmond from a state trooper. I doubt if I'll use the helmet speakers on my bike. It's possible to drive an LED using the audio out signal. I'll mount the LED on the top edge of the fairing. Here's a good price http://www.ustronics.com/belcorbelrad.html Andrew '90 EX500 From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 24 13:25:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: from wbln0014.worldbank.org (wbln0014.worldbank.org [138.220.29.7]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0OIPDp21626 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 13:25:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from WBLN0014.worldbank.org (wbln0014.worldbank.org) by wbln0014.worldbank.org (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.1.5) with ESMTP id for ; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 13:25:04 -0500 Subject: Re: Radar detector question To: DC Cycles X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.4 June 8, 2000 Message-ID: From: jitabashi@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 13:25:02 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on WBLN0014/Facility/World Bank(Release 5.0.5 |September 22, 2000) at 01/24/2001 01:25:04 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii One more thing to take in to consideration is the fact that VA has radar detector DETECTORS, meaning they have devices that tell them if you have radar detector from a distance. Now the newer generation radar detectors have what is called low emmission output which cannot be detected by these detectors. So make sure your radar detector has this type of technology...That is what the SWS might be...??? James Itabashi The World Bank Group Site 8 SMS Administrator ISGGC - ISGITC 202-458-1697 x.81697 I2-165D jitabashi@XXXXXX Chuck Pena tcom.com> cc: Subject: Radar detector question 01/24/2001 11:27 AM Please respond to the_penas Since I live in VA, this is a purely rhetorical/hypothetical question. ;^) Anyone use a radar detector on their m/c? What's been your experience/results? I'm intrigued by the new BEL 946 cordless radar detector http://www.beltronics.com/bel946.htm because it includes an earphone and pocket reflector feature specifically for motorcycle use. What's not clear to me is whether the pocket reflector has to be exposed outside the pocket. If you only have an inside jacket pocket (as I do), then this feature would be worthless. Thoughts? Anyone?? Bueller??? Chuck -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 24 13:28:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web901.mail.yahoo.com (web901.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.76]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f0OIS8p21721 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 13:28:09 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 946 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Jan 2001 18:28:01 -0000 Message-ID: <20010124182801.945.qmail@web901.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.229.31.23] by web901.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 10:28:01 PST Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 10:28:01 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Radar detector question To: the_penas@XXXXXX, DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii One of the nice things about Virginia is that they seem to rely on radar a bit more than other states and they don't have to be as careful about hiding it. I've got a used Valentine 1 (from Mike Jordan) it's rather sensitive to water so it lives inside an old Radio Shack CB housing. I've got the audio remoted to my helmet, but can't normally see the visual display. Leon. --- Chuck Pena wrote: > Since I live in VA, this is a purely > rhetorical/hypothetical question. > ;^) > > Anyone use a radar detector on their m/c? What's > been your > experience/results? I'm intrigued by the new BEL > 946 cordless radar > detector http://www.beltronics.com/bel946.htm > because it includes an > earphone and pocket reflector feature specifically > for motorcycle use. > What's not clear to me is whether the pocket > reflector has to be exposed > outside the pocket. If you only have an inside > jacket pocket (as I do), > then this feature would be worthless. > > Thoughts? Anyone?? Bueller??? > > Chuck > > -- > "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai > visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 24 14:37:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web906.mail.yahoo.com (web906.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.81]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f0OJbop22955 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 14:37:51 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 2518 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Jan 2001 19:37:47 -0000 Message-ID: <20010124193747.2517.qmail@web906.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.229.31.23] by web906.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 11:37:47 PST Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 11:37:47 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Crashing sucks; but $30 ain't bad. To: Roger Crouse , DCCycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Had the worst crash on a bike that I've had in the past half dozen or so years this morning. I'm sore, the bike is fixed, I'm at work and hour and a half late. The on ramp to the freeway near the car pool parking lot has a right turn off of the entry to the parking lot followed by an immediate turn to the left to get to the on-ramp. Right now there is about an inch of salt between the car tracks. I hit the turn too fast, got a bit of a slide on the clear part and slid into the deep salt. The bike was in the left turn part at the time, the rear slid to the right, I recovered and slid back to the left. I didn't recover from that one and the bike fell down on it's right side. It was going 25-30 mph at the time, so it was a rather impressive slide. On picking myself and the bike up, I discovered the right handlebar was broken off right next to the riser. There was one of the many versions of federal or DC police right behind me, so he hit the lights and made sure no one ran me over. He also let me use his cell phone to call home. I bungeed the handlebar in place and discovered that I could use both the throttle and brake that way. Close enough. I rode home. Installed one of Turtle's handlebars on it, checked the rest of the damage and rode in to work. Damage list. Broken handlebar - replaced. Scratched fairing in two places - ignored. Scratched exhaust pipe - up to 1/2 wide in places. Scratched front brake lever. Scratched bar end weight. Rear brake lever ground down to middle hole - it's about 1/2 inch narrower than it was. Operator has sore ribs. Aerostich suit (and other clothing) needs to be washed. My boots need to be polished, they got a lot of salt on them. Total damage about $30 - not bad, I can do one of these every few years. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 24 15:01:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web11502.mail.yahoo.com (web11502.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.47]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f0OK1Sp23355 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 15:01:28 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20010124200125.91463.qmail@web11502.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [147.208.3.65] by web11502.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 12:01:25 PST Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 12:01:25 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: Crashing sucks; but $30 ain't bad. To: Leon Begeman , Roger Crouse , DCCycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Leon, glad your OK but this sounds like something a squid would say! ;-) Glenn --- Leon Begeman wrote: > > Total damage about $30 - not bad, I can do one of > these every few years. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 24 15:20:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net (mr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net [198.5.241.87]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f0OKK5p23649 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 15:20:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from [153.39.169.213] by mr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: ippool169-213.corp.us.uu.net [153.39.169.213]) id QQjzkb18076 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 20:20:02 GMT From: dsnyder@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: dsnyder@XXXXXX Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 15:20:00 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Who got the R6? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" And where did you get it? Was it George? Discussion topic: Will all motorcycles be fuel injected in the future? Pro's/Con's of each? From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 24 15:31:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web903.mail.yahoo.com (web903.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.78]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f0OKVsp23799 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 15:31:54 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 6243 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Jan 2001 20:31:51 -0000 Message-ID: <20010124203151.6242.qmail@web903.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.229.31.23] by web903.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 12:31:51 PST Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 12:31:51 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Crashing sucks; but $30 ain't bad. To: Glenn Dysart , Roger Crouse , DCCycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii That's sorta how I feel today. Are squids allowed to be this old? 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