From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 1 07:34:46 2001 From: McKeithen@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 07:34:32 EST Subject: Spam-MC For Sale To: cb-750@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX A pal of mine has two 1999 Suzuki 600SXF Katanas for sale. One red, one blue. Garage kept, never down, less than 6k miles. E-mail him direct @ Kevrep96 for prices and further info. From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 1 18:24:31 2001 From: "Richard L. Casale" To: , "VFR Mailing List" Cc: , "Dave Yates" , "Ahalan" , "Bruce Brownlee" , "Grant Beaver" , "Geoffrey Anderson" , "Josh Hunt" Subject: RE: Darien Jacket Owners !!! Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 18:24:27 -0500 I wanted to take a moment to thank all of you who have personally responded to my request for Stitch information. Based on many of your recommendations and further research of my own I have decided to go with the Darien jacket with a standard 200wt fleece liner, along with the Darien Pants. The fact that I get high-quality 2-layer Gore-Tex behind a 500 denier Cordura Plus without any polyurethane on the nylon is just an automatic sale. The only other jacket on the market that will come close to that is Motoport's Ultra II Cordura jacket and even so the Ultra II is significantly heavier due to the extra pockets and extended should width. I'm gonna give this suit some test rides in my area (with the temperatures down in the 20's and 30's). If I find that it's not warm enough, then I'll add a heated windblock fleece vest to wear under the existing liner. That should do me just fine. Have a happy new year and ride safe. From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 1 18:27:55 2001 From: "Richard L. Casale" To: Subject: Re: Ridin' in the cold (was New Rider to the DC area) Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 18:27:53 -0500 Rich, Your definately not alone out there in the cold. I ride from Seminary North up 395 into D.C. for work every day and I am the only person out there. My personal best was 15 degrees--man that was f'n cold. I do a lot of riding out to my girlfriend's house in Croften there's nothing like that blistering cold head wind at 80mph for an hour straight--no stopping. I think it's time for some heated clothing. From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 1 18:41:30 2001 Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 18:41:24 -0500 (EST) From: Peter Hartzler To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Mid Atlantic Motorcycle Expo Hmm... Just heard on the radio 'bout a "Mid Atlantic Motorcycle Expo" in Chantilly, at the Chantilly Shopping Center, this weekend (1/6 & 1/7). It's billed as a Swap Meet, Bike Show and Fashion Show with Live Music by the Genuine Virginia Band. It might be an interesting thing on such a Winter's day... Here's a link to their flyer... http://www.cycleprousa.com/show_chantilly_jan2001/flyer.htm Cheers, Pete. From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 1 18:50:38 2001 Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2001 18:46:09 -0500 From: Bill Huson To: Peter Hartzler CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Mid Atlantic Motorcycle Expo Yeah, heard from a pal that the show is a lotta custom bikes AKA Harleys. But Harley girls must keep up the image, so if the weather's warm the fashion show might be worth the trip. Bill Peter Hartzler wrote: > Hmm... > > Just heard on the radio 'bout a "Mid Atlantic Motorcycle Expo" in > Chantilly, at the Chantilly Shopping Center, this weekend (1/6 & 1/7). > > It's billed as a Swap Meet, Bike Show and Fashion Show with Live Music by > the Genuine Virginia Band. > > It might be an interesting thing on such a Winter's day... > > Here's a link to their flyer... > > http://www.cycleprousa.com/show_chantilly_jan2001/flyer.htm > > Cheers, > > Pete. From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 1 19:30:26 2001 Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 19:30:18 -0500 (EST) From: Peter Hartzler To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Mid Atlantic Motorcycle Expo Um... If the weather's warm? Is this thing outdoors? =8-o On Mon, 1 Jan 2001, Bill Huson wrote: > Yeah, heard from a pal that the show is a lotta custom bikes AKA Harleys. > But Harley girls must keep up the image, so if the weather's warm the fashion > show might be worth the trip. From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 1 19:41:58 2001 Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 19:41:54 -0500 (EST) From: Peter Hartzler To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Mid Atlantic Motorcycle Expo Hmm... While one place says it's at the Chantilly Shopping Center, everything else says it's at the Capitol Expo Center. FWIW. -ph From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 1 20:04:01 2001 Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2001 19:59:22 -0500 From: Bill Huson To: Peter Hartzler CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Mid Atlantic Motorcycle Expo I do believe it is - like a tent show, but I could be wrong. Peter Hartzler wrote: > Um... If the weather's warm? Is this thing outdoors? =8-o > > On Mon, 1 Jan 2001, Bill Huson wrote: > > > Yeah, heard from a pal that the show is a lotta custom bikes AKA Harleys. > > But Harley girls must keep up the image, so if the weather's warm the fashion > > show might be worth the trip. From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 2 09:26:32 2001 From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Subject: New Rider to the DC area Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 09:27:11 -0500 Welcome Aaron S. Ward Others have already offered good advice but I'm still gonna pitch in my two worn pennies: A few local drivers are "special" because they're in the capital of the world doing "important stuff". But, too many others are just rude ignorant a - holes (RIAH). The "special ones" will be surrounded by navy blue Surburbans and white sedans; some of the RIAHs will be driving the navy blue Surburbans and white sedans. . . but I digress. For less than $50, you can increase your conspicuity and greatly decrease the likelihood that some RIAH will chance scratching their fine car on your worthless bones -- or that some BDC will do what BDCs do -- too well. 1. Wal-Mart (and others) have driving/fog lights with H-3 bulbs for less than $20. Auto Zone (if you can find one) has some Pilots for $20. These include the switch and relay. Less than an hour of head scratching, bracket forming, and wire stringing will give you two bright yellow spots -- in daytime --. So, with the lights and assertive lane placement, no BDC or RIAH can claim "I didn't see the motorcycle." 2. Even when they see you, RIAHs will sometimes still try to nooge you. This is where the next $20-$30 comes to bear. $25 at Pep Boys gets you a pair of Fiammes or Blasters, $5 more gets big tooters. The sets include the relay. Don't rely solely on the tooters to preserve your section of road but do use them to awaken the BDC-RIAH that you're serious. And sometimes it's entertaining to see them look around searching for the semi. Don't need no loud pipes; I got big honking tooters: http://members.tripod.com/~v65_magna/sos_99/sat_lunch2.jpg 3. To summarize an earlier thread. When push comes to shove with a cage, "run away, run away". They'll drive to a body shop; you'll get a ride elsewhere . . . Some of my favorite replies: Yates: "Take a class ; MSF, racing school, whatever. No disrespect to any LM, but best to form habits from pros... certainly we have some competent riders, but the trick is always knowing what the bad habits are... Dave Paper "Assume you are completely invisible. that way, you'll expect it when someone ignores the fact you are taking up space where they want to be." TG: "yes, defensive driving--an attempt to be absolutely aware of your surroundings--is a must. however, some of us combine that tactic with aggressive manuevering to get around town quickly. get too defensive on a motorcycle around here and you're roadkill." Paul in DC "I agree, I call it "riding with authority," that is, acting like you really do belong on the road. You can control a segment of asphalt through the "body language" of your vehicle's course, lane position and speed. Being a shrinking violet will get you nowhere. Something I picked up riding bicycles in city and suburban traffic for many years. This only works if they can spot you in a sea of sensory overload however. Visibility is key. Garcia O: > I know it's cold outside, but is anyone still riding? Not at the moment; I had to pull over to type this. > By the way, do you just go out into the woods and start shooting or are there special areas you have to go? Special areas. Anywhere in DC east of Rock Creek. Anywhere in PG County if you wear a uniform. --garcia "Cover me. I'm changing lanes." Carl in Brr-thesda "I consider good lights to be a key safety item, since I ride and drive a lot at night. I'd rather spend money on lights than on bodywork, mine or the vehicle." Eric K From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 2 10:36:38 2001 Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 07:36:33 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Rosenstock Subject: Re: New Rider to the DC area To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Dont forget to watch out for cages with a red, white, and blue Diplomat license plate. They are especially dangerous. Lots of those in the Capital region. Matt in "Where the hell was the snow?" Baltimore. --- "Custer, Carl" wrote: > Welcome Aaron S. Ward > Others have already offered good advice but I'm > still gonna pitch in my two > worn pennies: > A few local drivers are "special" because they're in > the capital of the > world doing "important stuff". But, too many others > are just rude ignorant > a - holes (RIAH). __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 2 10:49:23 2001 Date: 2 Jan 2001 07:49:13 -0800 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Subject: OT-personal trainers I am planning on getting my scrawny ass into shape for the upcoming racing season and I am looking for a recommendation for a personal trainer. I don't want to join a gym and have to pay for a trainer on top of that, so I'd like to find a trainer that has their own facility. does anyone know of anyone good and that doesn't cost and arm and a leg? :-) LAG ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 2 10:57:50 2001 Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 10:57:45 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: OT-personal trainers On 2 Jan 2001, LAURA GRANATO wrote: > I am planning on getting my scrawny ass into shape for the upcoming > racing season and I am looking for a recommendation for a personal > trainer. I don't want to join a gym and have to pay for a trainer on > top of that, so I'd like to find a trainer that has their own > facility. does anyone know of anyone good and that doesn't cost and > arm and a leg? :-) Not to beat a dead horse here but why not just get a dirt bike? You'll get in better shape and you'll gain a lot of control over your riding. There're good reasons that so many fast road racers come from dirt backgrounds... Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://planetklx.dirtrider.net) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) DCOffroad - the Wash, DC area offroad e-mail list: http://www.egroups.com/community/dcoffroad From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 2 11:27:06 2001 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: OT: Help! need 87 caddy hubcap key Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 11:28:32 -0800 I bought an 87 caddy fleetwood brougham from an auction. I found out the hubcaps have a key, and it's time to change the brakes but I cannot find the key in the car. Anyone know where I can get one, or does anyone have one I can come borrow for 2 seconds, just to take the locks off? Or does anyone know a trick to get them off? thanks Danny From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 2 11:28:14 2001 From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Subject: Ridin' in the cold Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 11:29:07 -0500 "Richard L. Casale" concluded, "I think it's time for some heated clothing." For new Years Day, I plugged in an old flannel shirt that I had wired with 15 feet of Radio Shack 30 gauge wire (4.1 Ohms ~ 50 watts). Plugged it into my birthday Heat-Troller. Mmmm yeah, so this is what folks have been raving about. Cruised by the Sign of the Whale ~ 10:00. Went inside; saw nobody I recognized; sniffed bikes Who has the Madura or the V45 Magna? Did those wearing chaps ride? Were they from zip code 17506? :^> Tanner touted Vlahos last -- whoa -- two months ago. Winding Roads-Motorcycle Times fans might also mention you saw his ad in the January-February issue. Subject: Gerbing Gear From: "Tanner, Linda" Subject: Gerbing Gear Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 11:35:58 -0500 I went to see Mike Vlahos to get some new Gerbing gear. He's a good guy and is willing to cut some deals on stuff - especially some older stuff. He has a reasonable selection at his home in Mt Airy and will order whatever you need that he doesn't have. If you're thinking about staying warm this winter, give this man a call and he'll do right by you. Mike Vlahos 5310 Pommel Dr MOUNT AIRY, MD 21771 301-829-0452 or mgvlahos@XXXXXX. As always, I have no financial interest in this, blah, blah, blah. LindaT. Springfield, VA, USA 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy 95 F3 Purple Haze (68K miles and counting) 00 KLR250 Tenzing http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ "I bought a Widder electric vest; I hooked it up this morning and I'm a convert. I'm just sorry that I put off buying one for so long. Michael J (it's June inside my jacket) J. From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 2 11:49:27 2001 Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 11:49:10 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: OT-personal trainers At 10:57 AM 1/2/01, Kirk Roy wrote: >Not to beat a dead horse here but why not just get a dirt bike? You'll get >in better shape and you'll gain a lot of control over your riding. >There're good reasons that so many fast road racers come from dirt >backgrounds... Limited local places to ride, and the hassle of hooking up a trailer just to go work out. Plus, in the winter, you only get to ride off road on the weekends since there is no freaking light. I can't believe the government took away my sunshine. I used to ride off road. Loved it. Lot more exercise than I expected, and taught me a lot about street riding. Got tired of being chased off of construction areas. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 Member : AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA There is an evil tendency underlying all our technology - the tendency to do what is reasonable even when it isn't any good. - Robert Pirsig, Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 2 12:48:52 2001 Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 12:43:47 -0500 From: +Andrew To: "'DCCycles'" Subject: Shoei RF-800 Cheap! Greeting Fellow Motorcyclers I am buying a Shoei RF-800 from a mail order place for only $203! Do I need the breathguard and chinguard? There is some fogging on this helmet when I tried it on and low noise is very impotant to me. Thanks for the advice. +Andrew From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 2 13:15:04 2001 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc cycles" Subject: Re: Shoei RF-800 Cheap! Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 13:13:44 -0500 If you wear glasses, you may need the breath guard, otherwise a Fog City shield should do the trick. I've found it's my glasses that cause the fogging now with the Fog City, if you let them get cold. The proximity to your body heat usually keeps then fog free. RF800 is quieter than my old RF200, but not dramatically so. Paul in DC '91 CB750 '00 RF800 http://users.erols.com/pawilson ----- Original Message ----- From: +Andrew To: 'DCCycles' Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2001 12:43 PM Subject: Shoei RF-800 Cheap! > Greeting Fellow Motorcyclers > > I am buying a Shoei RF-800 from a mail order place for only $203! Do I > need the > breathguard and chinguard? There is some fogging on this helmet when I > tried it > on and low noise is very impotant to me. Thanks for the advice. > > +Andrew From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 2 13:18:23 2001 Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 13:17:52 -0500 To: "'DCCycles'" From: Troutman Subject: Re: Shoei RF-800 Cheap! At 12:43 PM 1/2/01, +Andrew wrote: >I am buying a Shoei RF-800 from a mail order place for only $203! Do I >need the >breathguard and chinguard? There is some fogging on this helmet when I >tried it >on and low noise is very impotant to me. Thanks for the advice. Tell us where you are buying it from ... I need a new lid next fall. You might be getting it cheap because of the RF900 (heard it is out / coming out). I love my 800 - never had a fogging problem, except in the cold rain. Wind noise is high for me, but I wear plugs so it doesn't really matter. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org I spent a lot of money on wine and women and like a fool I squandered the rest. - Benny Hill From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 2 15:31:14 2001 Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 13:09:39 -0600 From: "George Cole" To: , Subject: Re: Shoei RF-800 Cheap! Andrew, You might want to try a NOJ quiet rider, it attaches to the bottom of the helmet and greatly reduces wind noise and keeps cold air out. For fogging Fog-X works great. just needs to be applied every ride. Cheers, George Cole 00 VFR >>> +Andrew 01/02/01 12:43PM >>> Greeting Fellow Motorcyclers I am buying a Shoei RF-800 from a mail order place for only $203! Do I need the breathguard and chinguard? There is some fogging on this helmet when I tried it on and low noise is very impotant to me. Thanks for the advice. +Andrew From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 2 15:59:27 2001 Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 16:00:10 -0800 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Stephen Harris Subject: Meeting Greeting all; Below is e-mail regarding MD state delegate Jean Cryor's proposed bill on children & motorcycling. Please attend if you can & show that we are not a bunch of meatheads that need legislating into a warm soft place. For my part, I'm torn. There is also a gun show at the Gaithersburg Fairgrounds that same day. I was hoping to go purchase some "loophole" firearms on saturday, but will attend the meeting instead. I might try to make both. >From: "Delegate Jean Cryor" >To: (lots of names deleted) >Subject: Meeting >Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 15:23:07 -0500 >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 >Importance: Normal > >I have set up a meeting for Saturday January 6, at 1 PM in the large meeting >room at Damascus Public Library to listen to your concerns regarding >Children's Motorcycle Safety. > > >Sincerely, >Delegate Jean Cryor > > > Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 2 18:44:36 2001 Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 18:44:36 -0500 (EST) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Bruce Brownlee Subject: re: Mid Atlantic Motorcycle Expo i went last year and thought it kinda lame (if its the one i remember). much more 'swap meet' than 'cycle show'. lotsa used harley parts and such. my focus was a bit more on the HD stuff, so i might not have noticed anything else as I was looking for specific parts. its something to do, but for $10, it might be a let-down to a lot of people.... (but, come to think of it, that describes most of the stuff at the expo center) -- Bruce Brownlee Webmaster/PR - #91 Winston Cup Team http://www.LJRacing.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 2 20:55:32 2001 From: "mobacc" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Advanced Rider Course -- ERC Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 20:00:23 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0064_01C074F6.A4647E00 'Lo List -- Today was the first day for ERC signup -- I'm down for yearly = inoculation. Here's a squib I copied a while ago: They say can cancel = up to two weeks prior for moneyback. =20 For those unfamiliar -- this is the MSF one-day advanced course and the = dates fill up pretty fast. =20 --- In this advanced course, students learn further safety skills in both a classroom and range situation. Students must pos-sess a valid VA Motorcycle License and provide their own motorcycle and equipment, proof of registration, and insur-ance. Call (703) 450-2552 for a brochure and further infor-mation. Enrollment is limited. Classes meet on Sunday from 8:00 a.m.-5:00 p.m. at the Loudoun Campus. Class dates are: Mar. 11, Apr. 8, Apr. 22, May 6, May 20, June 3, June 10, June 24, July 15, Aug. 12, Sept. 9, Sept. 23, and Oct. 14. Private group classes can be arranged by calling the Office of Continuing Education at the Loudoun Campus at 703:450- 2552. One session. $55. Loudoun Campus PHED 962 00 LOUDOUN CAMPUS --- Bill S. / DC=20 99 VN750 -->> not PMS'd yet Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. ------=_NextPart_000_0064_01C074F6.A4647E00
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------=_NextPart_000_0064_01C074F6.A4647E00-- From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 2 21:06:33 2001 Subject: New message board To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: jitabashi@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 20:46:05 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on WBLN0014/Facility/World Bank(Release 5.0.5 |September 22, 2000) at 01/02/2001 08:46:08 PM I am not sure how many of you are interested but a new sportbike message board is forming. I am hoping that since it is new we can keep it a good board and not full of too much crap. It is new and since it was started during the SLOW season there will be some babbling and ranting but I am hoping for the best. Please join (free) if you are so inclined I am sure the wealth of info that this list possess would be appreciated. James Itabashi The World Bank Group Site 8 SMS Administrator ISGGC - ISGITC 202-458-1697 x.81697 I2-165D jitabashi@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 2 21:48:01 2001 Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 21:47:37 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: New message board At 08:46 PM 1/2/2001, jitabashi@XXXXXX wrote: >I am not sure how many of you are interested but a new sportbike message board >is forming. I am hoping that since it is new we can keep it a good board >and not >full of too much crap. It is new and since it was started during the SLOW >season >there will be some babbling and ranting but I am hoping for the best. Please >join (free) if you are so inclined I am sure the wealth of info that this list >possess would be appreciated. So ... going to give us any details on this message board? ______________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org "No arsenal, or no weapon in the arsenals of the world, is so formidable as the will and moral courage of free men and women." --Ronald Reagan From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 2 22:08:05 2001 Subject: Re: OOPS New message board To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: jitabashi@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 22:07:54 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on WBLN0014/Facility/World Bank(Release 5.0.5 |September 22, 2000) at 01/02/2001 10:07:56 PM www.sportbikes.ws sorry about that James Itabashi The World Bank Group Site 8 SMS Administrator ISGGC - ISGITC 202-458-1697 x.81697 I2-165D jitabashi@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 3 10:06:34 2001 From: dsnyder@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 09:51:42 -0500 To: "mobacc" Subject: Re: Advanced Rider Course -- ERC Cc: "DC-Cycles" --============_-1233588993==_ma============ Thanks! Got in on the March class. Dan 00 RSV At 8:00 PM -0500 1/2/01, mobacc wrote: >'Lo List -- > > Today was the first day for ERC signup -- I'm down for yearly >inoculation. Here's a squib I copied a while ago: They say can >cancel up to two weeks prior for moneyback. > >For those unfamiliar -- this is the MSF one-day advanced course and >the dates fill up pretty fast. >--- >In this advanced course, students learn further safety skills in >both a classroom and range situation. Students must pos-sess >a valid VA Motorcycle License and provide their own >motorcycle and equipment, proof of registration, and insur-ance. >Call (703) 450-2552 for a brochure and further infor-mation. >Enrollment is limited. Classes meet on Sunday from >8:00 a.m.-5:00 p.m. at the Loudoun Campus. Class dates >are: Mar. 11, Apr. 8, Apr. 22, May 6, May 20, June 3, June >10, June 24, July 15, Aug. 12, Sept. 9, Sept. 23, and Oct. 14. >Private group classes can be arranged by calling the Office >of Continuing Education at the Loudoun Campus at 703:450- >2552. One session. $55. Loudoun Campus PHED 962 00 >LOUDOUN CAMPUS >--- >Bill S. / DC >99 VN750 -->> not PMS'd yet >Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. --============_-1233588993==_ma============ Thanks! Got in on the March class. Dan 00 RSV At 8:00 PM -0500 1/2/01, mobacc wrote: 'Lo List -- Today was the first day for ERC signup -- I'm down for yearly inoculation. Here's a squib I copied a while ago: They say can cancel up to two weeks prior for moneyback. For those unfamiliar -- this is the MSF one-day advanced course and the dates fill up pretty fast. --- In this advanced course, students learn further safety skills in both a classroom and range situation. Students must pos-sess a valid VA Motorcycle License and provide their own motorcycle and equipment, proof of registration, and insur-ance. Call (703) 450-2552 for a brochure and further infor-mation. Enrollment is limited. Classes meet on Sunday from 8:00 a.m.-5:00 p.m. at the Loudoun Campus. Class dates are: Mar. 11, Apr. 8, Apr. 22, May 6, May 20, June 3, June 10, June 24, July 15, Aug. 12, Sept. 9, Sept. 23, and Oct. 14. Private group classes can be arranged by calling the Office of Continuing Education at the Loudoun Campus at 703:450- 2552. One session. $55. Loudoun Campus PHED 962 00 LOUDOUN CAMPUS --- Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 -->> not PMS'd yet Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. --============_-1233588993==_ma============-- From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 3 10:53:41 2001 Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 07:53:28 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: OT-personal trainers To: LAURA GRANATO , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- LAURA GRANATO wrote: > I am planning on getting my scrawny ass into shape > for the upcoming racing season and I am looking for > a recommendation for a personal trainer. I don't > want to join a gym and have to pay for a trainer on > top of that, so I'd like to find a trainer that has > their own facility. does anyone know of anyone good > and that doesn't cost and arm and a leg? :-) > > LAG Biting tongue, I would make a suggestion, but I don't know if they would be taken in the light hearted vein as intended. Todd W ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 3 11:04:32 2001 Date: 3 Jan 2001 08:04:23 -0800 To: mtwithrow@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: OT-personal trainers On Wed, 03 January 2001, Todd Withrow wrote: > > > Biting tongue, > > I would make a suggestion, but I don't know if they > would be taken in the light hearted vein as intended. > i'm ready and waiting...shoot! what you have to say Mr. Withrow? anxiously awaiting... LAG ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 3 11:13:50 2001 Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 08:13:45 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: OT-personal trainers To: LAURA GRANATO Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- LAURA GRANATO wrote: > On Wed, 03 January 2001, Todd Withrow wrote: > > > > > > Biting tongue, > > > > I would make a suggestion, but I don't know if > they > > would be taken in the light hearted vein as > intended. > > > > i'm ready and waiting...shoot! what you have to say > Mr. Withrow? > > anxiously awaiting... > LAG I was going to say that every bedroom is equipped with its own gym. Twin, Full, Queen, or in my case, King size. A ready waiting platform for a cardio-vascular workout. Multiple workout positions are available dependant upon which muscle group you would like to focus on for the strength and endurance portion of the workout. And like Yoga, it also relaxes the mind and soul. See, cheap and easy. Your boyfriend is your personal trainer and has his own equipment (I hope). Shouldn't this be on the Off Topic board? Todd W. ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 3 11:25:36 2001 Date: 3 Jan 2001 08:25:23 -0800 To: mtwithrow@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: OT-personal trainers > > > I was going to say that every bedroom is equipped with > its own gym Yes, I agree, but this only builds flexibility and cardio...what I need is strength! please, no comments here. :-) > > See, cheap and easy. Your boyfriend is your personal > trainer and has his own equipment (I hope). my boyfriend is neither cheap nor easy, lol. :-) > > Shouldn't this be on the Off Topic board? > > we could definitely have a lot of fun with this one on the off-topic list, but it's probably better to not. lol. LAG ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 3 11:28:30 2001 Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 08:28:26 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: OT-personal trainers To: LAURA GRANATO Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- LAURA GRANATO wrote: > > > > > > I was going to say that every bedroom is equipped > with > > its own gym > > Yes, I agree, but this only builds flexibility and > cardio...what I need is strength! please, no > comments here. :-) It can build strength also, you need to be more imaginative. :) Shoulders and quads, that is what you need for dirtbikes, right? Todd W. ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 3 11:30:45 2001 Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 11:30:20 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Re: OT-personal trainers >I was going to say that every bedroom is equipped with >its own gym. Twin, Full, Queen, or in my case, King >size. A ready waiting platform for a cardio-vascular >workout. Multiple workout positions are available >dependant upon which muscle group you would like to >focus on for the strength and endurance portion of the >workout. > Maxim magazine recently published an article on certain positions that result in an excellent workout. I'll try and find the article if I can. -- "For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the skillful defiance of it." -Ernest Becker (1924-1974) Sean Jordan '93 Honda CBR1000F (Street) WERA Novice #230 From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 3 11:33:50 2001 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc cycles" Subject: Re: OT-personal trainers Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 11:31:54 -0500 I've found that it's mostly upper body strength and endurance that helps on a motorcycle for flogging the twisties. Even on the superslab being in shape will curb fatigue. I make a habit of simple stretches before climbing on the bike for an hour or two. Maybe we need a "scooter aerobics" video? I don't think that you need a very specialized exercise program, just one that builds overall strength, endurance and flexibility in all the muscle groups. Hitting a gym three times of week for stretching, followed by a half-hour of aerobic activity, and then a circuit of machines or free weights for twenty minutes, and finally a cool down stretch will work wonders. You don't need Sven the personal trainer to do that. Most gyms will show you the basics of using machines or free weights as part of the membership. Personally, I find those group stationary bike "spinning" classes to be a great way to ward off the winter blahs. Only problem is you can twist that right hand grip all you want and nothing much happens. :) Paul in DC 1991 CB750 http://users.erols.com/pawilson ----- Original Message ----- From: LAURA GRANATO To: Cc: Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2001 11:04 AM Subject: Re: OT-personal trainers > On Wed, 03 January 2001, Todd Withrow wrote: > > > > > > Biting tongue, > > > > I would make a suggestion, but I don't know if they > > would be taken in the light hearted vein as intended. > > > > i'm ready and waiting...shoot! what you have to say Mr. Withrow? > > anxiously awaiting... > LAG From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 3 11:51:18 2001 Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 11:50:59 -0500 From: Dave Yates CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: OT-personal trainers Todd Withrow wrote: > > i'm ready and waiting...shoot! what you have to say > > Mr. Withrow? > > > > anxiously awaiting... > > LAG > > I was going to say that every bedroom is equipped with > its own gym. Twin, Full, Queen, or in my case, King > size. sounds like yer braggin' there, Mr. Withrow ;-) > A ready waiting platform for a cardio-vascular > workout. Multiple workout positions are available > dependant upon which muscle group you would like to > focus on for the strength and endurance portion of the > workout. yeah, but remember, she said it was for the upcoming riding season (MOTORCYCLES!) some of the, uhh... exercises might not really be a direct help to that cause :-) -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 3 11:53:13 2001 Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 11:52:59 -0500 From: Dave Yates CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: OT-personal trainers LAURA GRANATO wrote: > > > > > > > I was going to say that every bedroom is equipped with > > its own gym > > Yes, I agree, but this only builds flexibility and cardio...what I need is strength! please, no comments here. :-) Ok, just use the rope... you know, the one hanging from the ceiling... > > > > > See, cheap and easy. Your boyfriend is your personal > > trainer and has his own equipment (I hope). > > my boyfriend is neither cheap nor easy, lol. :-) > > > > Shouldn't this be on the Off Topic board? > > > > we could definitely have a lot of fun with this one on the off-topic list, but it's probably better to not. lol. yeah, being that it's family oriented & all ;-) -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 3 12:21:28 2001 Date: 3 Jan 2001 09:21:18 -0800 To: Sean.Jordan@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: OT-personal trainers > Maxim magazine recently published an article on certain positions > that result in an excellent workout. I'll try and find the article if > I can. > I actually even heard you can blast 250 calories per orgasm. oops, I mean organism...don't want to offend anyone ;-) LAG ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 3 13:33:10 2001 From: dsnyder@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 13:33:06 -0500 To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: A little late but... ...pretty neat animation. http://www.nettuno.it/fiera/powerhouse/cover/auguri.htm Dan 00 RSV From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 4 00:38:52 2001 From: "James Reazor" To: Subject: Re: Redneck Here Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 00:37:53 -0500 Mike, I happen to be one of those liberal pukes (no offense taken) but in this case I sort of agree with you. Don't get me wrong, I think Gilmore's a conservative buffoon who couldn't make an independent decision to save his life (no offense intended to any other conservative buffoons) but I support the car tax repeal just because it puts money back in the pockets of those who earned it. I also have to say that I think it's the only thing that got Gilmore elected. -James ----- Original Message ----- From: "Troutman" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2000 3:04 PM Subject: Redneck Here > I didn't mean any offense to any liberal pukes on list. I realize this is > a diverse group, not all of us rednecks. Including me. Probably just the > winter blahs. I should have gone for a ride Christmas day, but wound up > too busy shuttling between family homes with gifts. Maybe it is time for > an electric vest after all..... > > Gilmore is doing the right thing. It is easy to lay new taxes on our > backs, and hard to pull them back off. It is frustrating having to pay > taxes year after year on something I paid too much for to begin > with. Don't care much for luxury taxes. Or sin taxes - just big brother's > way of trying to influence my behavior without making it illegal. Do you > realize that Canadians pay close to $6 for a pack of cigs, but beer is the > same price as it is here? Most of our gas $ is tax, where is all of _that_ > money going exactly? > > I'll stop. Maybe I should go with Dave to the BRP and Gap for a long > weekend. Calm the nerves. > > ___________________________________________ > > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > > I spent a lot of money on wine and women and like a fool I > squandered the rest. - Benny Hill > From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 4 08:25:01 2001 From: eschelzig@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Massachusetts Considers Motorcycle Awareness Training Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 08:23:48 -0500 >From the Motorcycle NewsWire (http://www.motorcyclenewswire.com), thought the list might be interested. Massachusetts Considers Motorcycle Awareness Training January 2, 2001 Boston, MA - (MCNW) A bill to put "motorcycle awareness" programs in the high school and private driver education training classes has been filed by State Representative Bradford Hill, reports the MMA of Massachusetts. "It will be referred to as 'Nelly's Bill,' in memory of Nelson Selig, Sr.," announced Representative Hill. Selig, a 38 year old father of two from Ipswich was killed earlier this year while riding his motorcycle when a teenage driver crossed the center line and hit his motorcycle head on. "With this bill we hope to bring greater awareness of the more than 100,000 motorcycles on the roads of the Commonwealth each year," said Hill, "and prevent some senseless tragedies." Rep. Hill continued, "according to the Registry of Motor Vehicles, over 177,400 teenagers are currently licensed. In the formal driver training schools, no mention is made of motorcycles on the road. This bill would require about two hours of motorcycle awareness programs." "Even for experienced drivers, motorcycles are difficult to see if we're not looking for them. Their speed is tough to judge. It's time we recognize they are on the roads, and we promote more 'awareness' and everyone 'checking twice,' looking out for them during the season," said Hill. From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 4 09:50:14 2001 Date: 4 Jan 2001 06:50:05 -0800 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Subject: I've been busy, but need your help Wow! What a busy week this has been for me. Here's what's up, then I'll get to what I need your help for. 1. I am now an officer of the Suzuki Owner's Club. I am their mass media coordinator putting together their quarterly newsletter. I'm very excited about this! 2. I am now helping MARRC (road racing school) do some marketing initiatives. Very cool! 3. I am now going to be a featured column writer for www.sportbikes.com which is going to be merging with sportbikes.ws within the next 72 hours. This is a cool position b/c 1. the site gets over 60,000 hits per month alone, and once they merge...look out! and 2. there are tons of large companies (e.g., D&D) who frequent the site, so hopefully my skills will land me an amazing job! lol. So, here's the help. I want ideas for articles to write. I want to have people coming to the site to read my articles every week. ;-) I can think of the same old stuff (e.g., helmet laws, etc.) but I'd like some ideas for articles you all would find interesting to read about, especially from a gal. :-) Any help would be appreciated! LAG ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 4 10:05:14 2001 Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 10:04:59 -0500 From: Dave Yates CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: I've been busy, but need your help LAURA GRANATO wrote: > > Wow! What a busy week this has been for me. Here's what's up, then I'll get to what I need your help for. > > 1. I am now an officer of the Suzuki Owner's Club. I am their mass media coordinator putting together their quarterly newsletter. I'm very excited about this! > > 2. I am now helping MARRC (road racing school) do some marketing initiatives. Very cool! > > 3. I am now going to be a featured column writer for www.sportbikes.com which is going to be merging with sportbikes.ws within the next 72 hours. This is a cool position b/c 1. the site gets over 60,000 hits per month alone, and once they merge...look out! and 2. there are tons of large companies (e.g., D&D) who frequent the site, so hopefully my skills will land me an amazing job! lol. > > So, here's the help. I want ideas for articles to write. Not specifically, but I'm all for a motorcycle publication that's Not located in either California or New York. They're just not... 'the same'... as us here on the right coast... I want to have people coming to the site to read my articles every week. ;-) I can think of the same old stuff (e.g., helmet laws, etc.) but I'd like some ideas for articles you all would find interesting to read about, especially from a gal. :-) Any help would be appreciated! Some of the DCC ride routes are certainly worthy of print, not to mention bios on some of our... more... colorful members... Congrats x 3, good luck & HTH. -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 4 10:05:44 2001 Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 10:06:31 -0800 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Stephen Harris Subject: Re: I've been busy, but need your help At 06:50 AM 1/4/01 -0800, LAURA GRANATO wrote: >2. I am now helping MARRC (road racing school) do some marketing initiatives. Very cool! Don't think this will make it any easier on you it comes time to decide if you passed or failed the school...:-) S Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 4 10:18:56 2001 From: "Rob Keiser" To: eschelzig@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Massachusetts Considers Motorcycle Awareness Training Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 10:18:31 -0500 Sounds too good to be true. Rob '98 VFR800 >From: eschelzig@XXXXXX >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Massachusetts Considers Motorcycle Awareness Training >Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 08:23:48 -0500 > >From the Motorcycle NewsWire (http://www.motorcyclenewswire.com), thought >the list might be interested. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 4 11:03:58 2001 Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 08:03:54 -0800 (PST) From: iefbrfourteen Subject: Grrrl power, circa 1958 To: DCC Check her out on her Velocettes and Nortons, racing at the Isle on Man. http://www.electronicsind.freeserve.co.uk/pat1.htm There's just something about a female roadracer. :) Rich __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 4 11:34:57 2001 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc cycles" Subject: Re: Massachusetts Considers Motorcycle Awareness Training Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 11:29:31 -0500 From: > From the Motorcycle NewsWire (http://www.motorcyclenewswire.com), thought > the list might be interested. > > > Massachusetts Considers Motorcycle Awareness Training > > January 2, 2001 > > Boston, MA - (MCNW) A bill to put "motorcycle awareness" programs in the > high school and private driver education training classes has been filed by > State Representative Bradford Hill, reports the MMA of Massachusetts. > "It will be referred to as 'Nelly's Bill,' in memory of Nelson Selig, Sr.," > announced Representative Hill. > > Selig, a 38 year old father of two from Ipswich was killed earlier this year > while riding his motorcycle when a teenage driver crossed the center line > and hit his motorcycle head on. > > "With this bill we hope to bring greater awareness of the more than 100,000 > motorcycles on the roads of the Commonwealth each year," said Hill, "and > prevent some senseless tragedies." [snip] > > "Even for experienced drivers, motorcycles are difficult to see if we're not > looking for them. Their speed is tough to judge. It's time we recognize they > are on the roads, and we promote more 'awareness' and everyone 'checking > twice,' looking out for them during the season," said Hill. The tone in the last remark is a little annoying and all too common. Motorcycles are treated like a oddball highway nuisance that must be "looked out for", like rockslides and deer. Also, I'm a little puzzled as to what a motorcycle awareness program would have done for the idiot in question who crossed the centerline and hit the rider "head on." Sounds like plain old bad driving since "head on" suggests straying across the centerline, not failing to see the MC and turning in front of it. Seems to me we need to address idiotic driving in general, no matter what vehicle the victim happens to be driving. I do agree that drivers need training with respect to the "misjudging speed" problem. It's the same phenomenon observed in the candidates for the "Darwin Award" who pull out in front of trains bearing down on them at 70-80 mph because the fast moving train, when viewed frontally, looks small and distant. Too many people rely on the "if it's small or far away, it can't hurt me" instinct. Yet more proof that the highways are only as safe as the least competent driver. Paul in DC 1991 CB750 http://users.erols.com/pawilson From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 4 13:26:20 2001 Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 13:25:08 -0500 From: Randy Moran To: dc cycles Subject: Re: Massachusetts Considers Motorcycle Awareness Training Paul Wilson wrote: > The tone in the last remark is a little annoying and all too common. > Motorcycles are treated like a oddball highway nuisance that must be "looked > out for", like rockslides and deer. As annoying as the tone might be, it can be said that motorcycles are indeed "oddball," especially in some of the colder regions of the country, and require an unfortunately uncommon vigilance to spot. I'm glad Rep. Hill is trying to address the problem. The fact is, no one looks out for us and some of that is because we are not the norm. It's something we all accept and take into account, right? Paul, I guess you're right about the crossing the center line thing; not much driver training can do about pure knuckleheadedness. But anything that will make people more aware of bikes on the road is a good thing, I think. -- Randy Moran http://www.geocities.com/rajmoran From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 4 13:38:32 2001 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 10:38:05 -0800 From: "Matthew Patton" X-Sent-Mail: off Subject: discount tires.com X-Sender-Ip: 209.117.173.15 Content-Language: en I ordered a set of Avalon Azaro II's for my NH for use during track days and CLASS/CSS. They were a good $30 cheaper than most other e-tailers and they arrived from Denver in less than 24hrs. I am flabbergasted! I guess I get to mount them this weekend on my spare set of wheels... theglobe.com Your friendly full-service integrated online community. http://www.theglobe.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 4 13:52:03 2001 Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 13:55 -0500 From: "Rob Bell" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Robert Verde pls contact off list Robert, As soon as i sent the message saying i'd send an old ride route I realized i now don't have your e-mail. If you'd like the info contact me off list. R '00 ZX-9R Voodoo '96 VFR From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 4 15:09:52 2001 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc cycles" Subject: Re: Massachusetts Considers Motorcycle Awareness Training Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 15:00:08 -0500 The motorcycle awareness program can't hurt, but it's a band aid at best. The Commonwealth needs to coach drivers to make the mental leap from the physical act of "looking" to cognitive act of "seeing." That seems to me to be the fundamental problem. Program's like MSF's SIPDE are valuable because they make driving an active mental process, thereby minimizing the "shit happens" factor behind a lot of accidents. SIPDE is based on the fact that there a very few crashes caused by purely unpredictable random acts, acts of God if you will. SIPDE teaches you to actively collect information from the environment and take corrective measures. Motorcycle training correctly places responsibility on the rider to pay attention and react correctly in order to stay out of trouble. Too many drivers adopt a passive approach, not doubt encouraged by vehicle designs that insulate the driver as much as possible from the environment. They do not anticipate scenarios that can lead to a crash, or adjust their behavior based on what might happen in a given situation. Part of the problem is terrible training. When I took driver's ed, more years ago than I care to admit, there was too much emphasis on legalisms that you needed to know in order to pass the written and driving tests, rather than on skills you need to safely pilot a four-wheeled weapon. I hope driver's ed is different now. Paul in DC 1991 CB750 http://users.erols.com/pawilson ----- Original Message ----- From: Randy Moran > Paul Wilson wrote: > > > The tone in the last remark is a little annoying and all too common. > > Motorcycles are treated like a oddball highway nuisance that must be "looked > > out for", like rockslides and deer. > > As annoying as the tone might be, it can be said that motorcycles are indeed > "oddball," especially in some of the colder regions of the country, and require > an unfortunately uncommon vigilance to spot. I'm glad Rep. Hill is trying to > address the problem. The fact is, no one looks out for us and some of that is > because we are not the norm. It's something we all accept and take into > account, right? > > Paul, I guess you're right about the crossing the center line thing; not much > driver training can do about pure knuckleheadedness. But anything that will > make people more aware of bikes on the road is a good thing, I think. > > -- > Randy Moran > http://www.geocities.com/rajmoran > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 4 17:04:42 2001 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 14:04:23 -0800 From: "Matthew Patton" X-Sent-Mail: off Subject: Tire reviews X-Sender-Ip: 209.117.173.15 Content-Language: en There is IMO a very nice review of all sorts of new tires out on www.motorcyclenews.com/features/fea_tyre_test_2_1.asp. Also if check out part 3 as it relates to SV650's and 600cc class bikes. Test 2 is targeted at the midrange or light heavy's. Very good read. theglobe.com Your friendly full-service integrated online community. http://www.theglobe.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 4 17:27:40 2001 Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 17:27:13 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Tire reviews To: pattonme@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Boomer Matthew Patton wrote: > > There is IMO a very nice review of all sorts of new tires out on www.motorcyclenews.com/features/fea_tyre_test_2_1.asp. Ahh, the Brits. What the heck do they mean by 'overbanding'???? Horkster -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi 1982 Suzuki GS850G 1987 Kawasaki Concours - untitled, un-named, previously un-loved New Member, Concours Rescue Society From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 4 17:39:18 2001 To: pattonme@XXXXXX, "Dale Horstman" Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 14:38:50 -0800 From: "Matthew Patton" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, "Boomer" X-Sent-Mail: off Subject: Re: Tire reviews X-Sender-Ip: 209.117.173.15 Content-Language: en may I suggest some appropriate light reading? http://www.highwaysmaintenance.com/kraktext.htm -- On Thu, 04 Jan 2001 17:27:13 Dale Horstman wrote: >Ahh, the Brits. What the heck do they >mean by 'overbanding'???? theglobe.com Your friendly full-service integrated online community. http://www.theglobe.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 4 17:46:09 2001 Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 17:42:58 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Tire reviews To: pattonme@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Boomer Matthew Patton wrote: > > may I suggest some appropriate light reading? > > http://www.highwaysmaintenance.com/kraktext.htm Ahh, tar snakes! Thanks, Dale -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi 1982 Suzuki GS850G 1987 Kawasaki Concours - untitled, un-named, previously un-loved New Member, Concours Rescue Society From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 5 08:26:47 2001 Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 05:26:37 -0800 (PST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: Meeting - Cryor's bill on children/motorcycles To: DC-Cycles I haven't been to these type of meetings before, but would like to attend to show my support for killing this bill. Are out of state people welcomed at events like these? I do ride in MD frequently. And as I told my girlfriend, when I have kids and they are mature enough, I plan on letting them ride with me if they choose to. Louis --- Stephen Harris wrote: > Greeting all; > > Below is e-mail regarding MD state delegate Jean Cryor's proposed bill on > children & motorcycling. Please attend if you can & show that we are not a > bunch of meatheads that need legislating into a warm soft place. > > >From: "Delegate Jean Cryor" > >Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 15:23:07 -0500 > > > >I have set up a meeting for Saturday January 6, at 1 PM in the large meeting > >room at Damascus Public Library to listen to your concerns regarding > >Children's Motorcycle Safety. > > > > > >Sincerely, > >Delegate Jean Cryor __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 5 08:47:39 2001 Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 08:48:27 -0800 To: DC-Cycles From: Stephen Harris Subject: Re: Meeting - Cryor's bill on children/motorcycles At 05:26 AM 1/5/01 -0800, Louis F. Caplan wrote: > >I haven't been to these type of meetings before, but would like to attend to >show my support for killing this bill. Are out of state people welcomed at >events like these? I do ride in MD frequently. And as I told my girlfriend, >when I have kids and they are mature enough, I plan on letting them ride with >me if they choose to. > >Louis Democracy in work. If you don't use it, you loose it. S Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 5 09:30:15 2001 Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 09:30:05 -0500 From: Chuck Pena To: pattonme@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: discount tires.com Matthew, Do you have an exact URL? I went to www.discounttires.com and didn't get anything motorcycle related. Thanx! Chuck Matthew Patton wrote: > > I ordered a set of Avalon Azaro II's for my NH for use during track days and CLASS/CSS. They were a good $30 cheaper than most other e-tailers and they arrived from Denver in less than 24hrs. I am flabbergasted! I guess I get to mount them this weekend on my spare set of wheels... > > theglobe.com > Your friendly full-service integrated online community. > http://www.theglobe.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 5 09:35:21 2001 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 06:33:30 -0800 From: "Matthew Patton" X-Sent-Mail: off Subject: snow "flurries" vs motorcycle X-Sender-Ip: 209.117.173.15 Content-Language: en well, me and the mc lost that round this morning. DC weather called for snow flurries. HA!! For the first 20 miles of my commute the weather was just fine. Then I hit RT 28 north of Manassas and there was a little snow coming down. No biggie, it's the snow flurries forecast. By the time I go 2 miles the road is no longer clean. The snow is sticking and people can't drive. But for good reason it turns out. I get up to US 50 and the snow is major. 1/8 inch or better. I gingerly follow tire tracks and cover that clutch. I make it another 4 miles wiping the piling snow off my visor and then I have to make a turn. All's fine till I lean the bike over. WHAM!! I have a close encounter with mr. earth at maybe 8 mph. I guess I should have straddle walked the thing through the turn. now I know better. The engine is howling and in gear, the handlebar has trapped my foot. I kick the cut-off switch and push the bike away. The sensation in my shoulder tells me it's dislocated. Great. 5 people decend on my stricken bike and 2 of them right it and slide it off the road. 911 is called at my request because I figure I'll need a ride to the local hospital. Amazingly the radio announces that there is an accident at my location not more than 2 minutes after the event. I ask a gentleman standing nearby to provide some traction on my arm. It doesn't feel like the shoulder is too far out. I little pulling and twisting and it feels a little better. I move it around. Yup it's back in. whew! Ambulance shows up within 3 minutes of the call. I assure him I'm ok and explain that yes I'm cold and got addrenaline running, hense that's why I'm shaking like a leaf. A co-worker happens by and I get a ride into work a scant 1.5 miles away. I guess I'm taking public transportation home tonight. What a way to start a weekend... Flurries my ass. theglobe.com Your friendly full-service integrated online community. http://www.theglobe.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 5 09:33:57 2001 Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 06:32:40 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: So who was Joe Hero today? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX So who had the brass balls to ride in today? And better yet, who's going to ride it home? Glenn __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 5 10:01:02 2001 From: "Smith, Steven" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Redneck Here Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 09:45:45 -0500 > -----Original Message-----From: "James Reazor"----- > > Mike, > I happen to be one of those liberal pukes (no offense taken) > but in this case I sort of agree with you. Don't get me wrong, I > think Gilmore's a conservative buffoon who couldn't make an > independent decision to save his life (no offense intended to > any other conservative buffoons) but I support the car tax > repeal just because it puts money back in the pockets of those > who earned it. I also have to say that I think it's the only > thing that got Gilmore elected. > > -James Hear, hear! A consumption tax, though no less noxious, has some economic justification. However, repeatedly punishing citizens for the ability to possess private property is despicable. This platform plank probably did go very far in getting Gilmore elected. Thankfully conservative buffoons running for Governor of Virginia are more honest than self-aggrandizing, closet Communists running as centrist Presidential candidates who promise tax cuts, a hard line on the PRC, and the most ethical administration in the twentieth century -- and are too morally and intellectually bankrupt to deliver. Politicians, as a group, tend to exude an odor and bear close scrutiny. Crash Peoples Republic of Alexandria AMA 572649, MARRC 2567, RAT 79802 1998 T595 Daytona, call her "Boudicca" From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 5 10:17:07 2001 From: "Paul Wilson" To: Cc: "dc cycles" Subject: Re: snow "flurries" vs motorcycle Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 10:13:53 -0500 Matt, glad you're OK. I rode this morning, and sneaked in just before the snow started. I heard that accident report, BTW, but nothing about a rider down. Whenever the weatherguessers say "no significant accumulation" is when I start to worry. Paul in DC 1991 CB750 http://users.erols.com/pawilson ----- Original Message ----- From: Matthew Patton To: Sent: Friday, January 05, 2001 9:33 AM Subject: snow "flurries" vs motorcycle > well, me and the mc lost that round this morning. DC weather called for snow flurries. HA!! .. From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 5 10:19:20 2001 Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 10:15:28 -0500 From: "Onur Topac" To: , Subject: Re: snow "flurries" vs motorcycle sorry to hear it bro. I went down in "flurries" about a month ago myself, braking at an intersection. Hope you feel better. Onur >>> "Matthew Patton" 01/05/01 09:33AM >>> well, me and the mc lost that round this morning. DC weather called for snow flurries. HA!! For the first 20 miles of my commute the weather was just fine. Then I hit RT 28 north of Manassas and there was a little snow coming down. No biggie, it's the snow flurries forecast. By the time I go 2 miles the road is no longer clean. The snow is sticking and people can't drive. But for good reason it turns out. I get up to US 50 and the snow is major. 1/8 inch or better. I gingerly follow tire tracks and cover that clutch. I make it another 4 miles wiping the piling snow off my visor and then I have to make a turn. All's fine till I lean the bike over. WHAM!! I have a close encounter with mr. earth at maybe 8 mph. I guess I should have straddle walked the thing through the turn. now I know better. The engine is howling and in gear, the handlebar has trapped my foot. I kick the cut-off switch and push the bike away. The sensation in my shoulder tells me it's dislocated. Great. 5 people decend on my stricken bike and 2 of them right it and slide it off the road. 911 is called at my request because I figure I'll need a ride to the local hospital. Amazingly the radio announces that there is an accident at my location not more than 2 minutes after the event. I ask a gentleman standing nearby to provide some traction on my arm. It doesn't feel like the shoulder is too far out. I little pulling and twisting and it feels a little better. I move it around. Yup it's back in. whew! Ambulance shows up within 3 minutes of the call. I assure him I'm ok and explain that yes I'm cold and got addrenaline running, hense that's why I'm shaking like a leaf. A co-worker happens by and I get a ride into work a scant 1.5 miles away. I guess I'm taking public transportation home tonight. What a way to start a weekend... Flurries my ass. theglobe.com Your friendly full-service integrated online community. http://www.theglobe.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 5 10:30:55 2001 From: "Cedric Bernescut" To: Subject: RE: snow "flurries" vs motorcycle Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 10:30:35 -0500 Damn, too bad about the accident. Glad you're OK. Did the EXACT same thing on the CBR myself last winter. Hopefully the plastic bodywork didn't suffer too much. Cedric -----Original Message----- From: Matthew Patton [mailto:pattonme@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, January 05, 2001 9:34 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: snow "flurries" vs motorcycle well, me and the mc lost that round this morning. DC weather called for snow flurries. HA!! For the first 20 miles of my commute the weather was just fine. Then I hit RT 28 north of Manassas and there was a little snow coming down. No biggie, it's the snow flurries forecast. By the time I go 2 miles the road is no longer clean. The snow is sticking and people can't drive. But for good reason it turns out. I get up to US 50 and the snow is major. 1/8 inch or better. I gingerly follow tire tracks and cover that clutch. I make it another 4 miles wiping the piling snow off my visor and then I have to make a turn. All's fine till I lean the bike over. WHAM!! I have a close encounter with mr. earth at maybe 8 mph. I guess I should have straddle walked the thing through the turn. now I know better. The engine is howling and in gear, the handlebar has trapped my foot. I kick the cut-off switch and push the bike away. The sensation in my shoulder tells me it's dislocated. Great. 5 people decend on my stricken bike and 2 of them right it and slide it off the road. 911 is called at my request because I figure I'll need a ride to the local hospital. Amazingly the radio announces that there is an accident at my location not more than 2 minutes after the event. I ask a gentleman standing nearby to provide some traction on my arm. It doesn't feel like the shoulder is too far out. I little pulling and twisting and it feels a little better. I move it around. Yup it's back in. whew! Ambulance shows up within 3 minutes of the call. I assure him I'm ok and explain that yes I'm cold and got addrenaline running, hense that's why I'm shaking like a leaf. A co-worker happens by and I get a ride into work a scant 1.5 miles away. I guess I'm taking public transportation home tonight. What a way to start a weekend... Flurries my ass. theglobe.com Your friendly full-service integrated online community. http://www.theglobe.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 5 10:34:29 2001 Subject: Re: snow "flurries" vs motorcycle To: pattonme@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Tom Knapik" Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 10:34:11 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on D04NMS69/04/M/IBM(Release 5.0.3 (Intl)|21 March 2000) at 01/05/2001 10:34:13 AM Matt, sorry to hear you went down but glad you came through with "minor" pains. Hope you have a safe place to leave your bike tonight..... Regards, Tom Knapik Federal SAP Deployment Focal E-mail: knapik@XXXXXX Phone: (301) 803-2417, tie-262-2417 "Matthew Patton" on 01/05/2001 09:33:30 AM Please respond to pattonme@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: Subject: snow "flurries" vs motorcycle well, me and the mc lost that round this morning. DC weather called for snow flurries. HA!! For the first 20 miles of my commute the weather was just fine. Then I hit RT 28 north of Manassas and there was a little snow coming down. No biggie, it's the snow flurries forecast. By the time I go 2 miles the road is no longer clean. The snow is sticking and people can't drive. But for good reason it turns out. I get up to US 50 and the snow is major. 1/8 inch or better. I gingerly follow tire tracks and cover that clutch. I make it another 4 miles wiping the piling snow off my visor and then I have to make a turn. All's fine till I lean the bike over. WHAM!! I have a close encounter with mr. earth at maybe 8 mph. I guess I should have straddle walked the thing through the turn. now I know better. The engine is howling and in gear, the handlebar has trapped my foot. I kick the cut-off switch and push the bike away. The sensation in my shoulder tells me it's dislocated. Great. 5 people decend on my stricken bike and 2 of them right it and slide it off the road. 911 is called at my request because I figure I'll need a ride to the local hospital. Amazingly the radio announces that there is an accident at my location not more than 2 minutes after the event. I ask a gentleman standing nearby to provide some traction on my arm. It doesn't feel like the shoulder is too far out. I little pulling and twisting and it feels a little better. I move it around. Yup it's back in. whew! Ambulance shows up within 3 minutes of the call. I assure him I'm ok and explain that yes I'm cold and got addrenaline running, hense that's why I'm shaking like a leaf. A co-worker happens by and I get a ride into work a scant 1.5 miles away. I guess I'm taking public transportation home tonight. What a way to start a weekend... Flurries my ass. theglobe.com Your friendly full-service integrated online community. http://www.theglobe.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 5 10:34:54 2001 Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 10:34:32 -0500 From: Dave Yates CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: snow "flurries" vs motorcycle Matthew Patton wrote: > > well, me and the mc lost that round this morning. DC weather called for snow flurries. HA!! For the first 20 miles of my commute the weather was just fine. Then I hit RT 28 north of Manassas and there was a little snow coming down. No biggie, it's the snow flurries forecast. By the time I go 2 miles the road is no longer clean. The snow is sticking and people can't drive. But for good reason it turns out. I get up to US 50 and the snow is major. 1/8 inch or better. I gingerly follow tire tracks and cover that clutch. I make it another 4 miles wiping the piling snow off my visor and then I have to make a turn. All's fine till I lean the bike over. WHAM!! I have a close encounter with mr. earth at maybe 8 mph. I guess I should have straddle walked the thing through the turn. now I know better. > > The engine is howling and in gear, the handlebar has trapped my foot. I kick the cut-off switch and push the bike away. The sensation in my shoulder tells me it's dislocated. Great. 5 people decend on my stricken bike and 2 of them right it and slide it off the road. 911 is called at my request because I figure I'll need a ride to the local hospital. Amazingly the radio announces that there is an accident at my location not more than 2 minutes after the event. I ask a gentleman standing nearby to provide some traction on my arm. It doesn't feel like the shoulder is too far out. I little pulling and twisting and it feels a little better. I move it around. Yup it's back in. whew! Ambulance shows up within 3 minutes of the call. I assure him I'm ok and explain that yes I'm cold and got addrenaline running, hense that's why I'm shaking like a leaf. A co-worker happens by and I get a ride into work a scant 1.5 miles away. > > I guess I'm taking public transportation home tonight. What a way to start a weekend... Flurries my ass. Speedy recovery for you & the bike. Glad you're ok (relatively)... 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 5 10:37:33 2001 Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 10:36:21 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: So who was Joe Hero today? To: Glenn Dysart , DC Cycles List Glenn Dysart wrote: > > So who had the brass balls to ride in today? And > better yet, who's going to ride it home? Tracy rode in this morning, but she left early, before the snow started falling. Don't know how she plans on getting home yet... :) It was coming down hard in Dale City when I left for work this morning, so I took the car, and promptly spun it around sideways at the first busy intersection I crossed. The pickup behind me narrowly avoided tagging me, everyone got to watch as I put it in reverse and straightened things out. Be careful out there. Horkster, caged -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi 1982 Suzuki GS850G 1987 Kawasaki Concours - untitled, un-named, previously un-loved New Member, Concours Rescue Society From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 5 10:46:32 2001 Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 10:40:27 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Redneck Here To: "Smith, Steven" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" "Smith, Steven" wrote: > > However, repeatedly punishing citizens for the ability to > possess private property is despicable. Agreed. > This platform plank probably did go > very far in getting Gilmore elected. That's the ONLY reason I voted for Gilmore, and to his credit, he is doing every thing he can to get rid of the tax. Horkster -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi 1982 Suzuki GS850G 1987 Kawasaki Concours - untitled, un-named, previously un-loved New Member, Concours Rescue Society From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 5 10:58:43 2001 Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 10:57:06 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: snow "flurries" vs motorcycle To: pattonme@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Matthew Patton wrote: > > well, me and the mc lost that round this morning. Matt, Bummer, sorry you went down, glad it wasn't worse...how's the bike? The roads were really slick once the snow started coming down. I still can't believe my car did a 180 at 3 mph... Dale -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi 1982 Suzuki GS850G 1987 Kawasaki Concours - untitled, un-named, previously un-loved New Member, Concours Rescue Society From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 5 11:05:51 2001 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc cycles" Subject: Re: So who was Joe Hero today? Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 11:03:41 -0500 I wouldn't call it "heroic", "mildly daffy" maybe, but I did ride to work today. By the time I hit the 14th St. Bridge, the "flurries" had become "snow showers." I flipped on the Weather Channel while suiting up and saw Loudoun and Prince William getting some heavier snow, but decided to ride anyway. I got to the lot at my workplace in Old Town Alex. before it really started coming down. I passed two riders on the GW Pkwy, including one stalwart on a black BMW who I wave at just about every day. Passing two bikes on the GW about average for this time of year, snow or not. I hope that's it for today and I'll ride home tonight unless we get more snow. Paul in DC 1991 CB750 http://users.erols.com/pawilson ----- Original Message ----- From: Glenn Dysart > So who had the brass balls to ride in today? And > better yet, who's going to ride it home? > > Glenn From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 5 13:36:27 2001 Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 13:37:05 -0800 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Stephen Harris Subject: The Passenger Bill More info on the proposed MD law to regulate children as passengers on the backs of motorcycles. Please attend the meeting on Saturday January 6, at 1 PM in the large meeting room at Damascus Public Library, espcially if delegate Cryor is your representative. Stephen Harris >From: "Delegate Jean Cryor" >To: (lots of names deleted) >Subject: The Passenger Bill >Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 12:20:21 -0500 >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >Importance: Normal >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 > >Thank you for the well thought out responses I have received regarding the >passenger bill. I am grateful for this input. As I have explained, the >intent of the bill is to be narrowly drawn and focused on the small >passenger. From our conversation, this I do know: We do not want to use >age, weight, or even height as the determinate for eligibility to be a >passenger. I believe that we want to say the ability to reach the foot >pads/pegs is what is crucial. I believe we are all in agreement that age, >weight, and grade in school are misleading. > >I am looking forward to seeing you on Saturday. If the only problem you had >with the bill was the age limitation, that was only part of the draft >process and will not be included in the final bill. If you are not able to >attend please feel free to contact my office at any time. > >It has been suggested that the bill would require proper clothing and >footwear. My concern is small children wearing flip-flops or sandals. I am >interested to hear your opinions. > >Although not explicit in the bill, the intent is to prevent >pre-kindergartners and younger children from riding on the backs of >motorcycles. > >A draft of the final bill will be distributed for comment, hopefully within >the next ten days. > > >Sincerely, >Jean Cryor > Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 5 13:51:46 2001 From: "Doug Allis" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: So who was Joe Hero today? Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 18:51:35 I rode too. No problems. Except for windshield snow. >From: "Paul Wilson" >Reply-To: "Paul Wilson" >To: "dc cycles" >Subject: Re: So who was Joe Hero today? >Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 11:03:41 -0500 > >I wouldn't call it "heroic", "mildly daffy" maybe, but I did ride to work >today. By the time I hit the 14th St. Bridge, the "flurries" had become >"snow showers." I flipped on the Weather Channel while suiting up and saw >Loudoun and Prince William getting some heavier snow, but decided to ride >anyway. I got to the lot at my workplace in Old Town Alex. before it >really >started coming down. I passed two riders on the GW Pkwy, including one >stalwart on a black BMW who I wave at just about every day. Passing two >bikes on the GW about average for this time of year, snow or not. I hope >that's it for today and I'll ride home tonight unless we get more snow. > >Paul in DC >1991 CB750 >http://users.erols.com/pawilson >----- Original Message ----- >From: Glenn Dysart > > > So who had the brass balls to ride in today? And > > better yet, who's going to ride it home? > > > > Glenn > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 5 14:27:14 2001 Date: 5 Jan 2001 11:27:01 -0800 To: dhallis@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: So who was Joe Hero today? On Fri, 05 January 2001, "Doug Allis" wrote: > > I rode too. No problems. Except for windshield snow. > You all are nuts. ;-) LAG ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 5 15:05:08 2001 Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 14:02:09 -0600 From: "George Cole" To: "<" Subject: Questions about crash damaged bikes. Hi everyone, In my search for a 2nd hand 600 to use as a track day and 2nd bike I can across this web page http://www.cycles4sale.org/ After a email response, I talked to a guy named Mike who runs this business. He has locally some 30 bikes for sale. for instance, some F4's and R6's for pretty cheap. Has anyone heard of or done business with this outfit? apparently he has some connections with Fast Lane Cycles. A lot of these bikes seem to have body work damage and scratches and maybe salvage titles? First can I register a salvage title in MD? I don't mind a little body damage but I am not sure I could spot or feel damaged or bent frame, or forks/suspension. Should I just run away from something like this? Thanks for any responses. George Cole 00 VFR Not crashed ?? From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 5 15:25:35 2001 From: "Doug Allis" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: So who was Joe Hero today? Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 20:25:24 > > I rode too. No problems. Except for windshield snow. > > >You all are nuts. ;-) > >LAG > > Yes I am... ABSOLUTELY!!!!!! Doug Allis DHAllis@XXXXXX _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 5 16:23:00 2001 From: Rich Westbrook To: DC-Cycles Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 16:20:12 -0500 Subject: Mint 750 Nighthawk, For Sale A friend of mine is selling this motorcycle. Please contact him not me. ---------- 1992 Nighthawk 750 Black. Aftermarket extras - Corbin seat, handlebars and mirrors, never downed, no rain, no rust, always garaged, meticulously cared for with records from new. 2nd experienced adult owner. Bike has had all servicing, new tires and battery. Work and travel schedule has prevented me from enjoying this bike, as I have not ridden more than six times since I purchased. A truly mint motorcycle. $2500 (202)256-4254, tdonnelly@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 5 16:36:14 2001 Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 16:35:58 -0500 To: Rich Westbrook From: Troutman Subject: Re: Mint 750 Nighthawk, For Sale Cc: DC-Cycles A '92 CB750 for $2500? He has to be kidding. At 04:20 PM 1/5/2001, Rich Westbrook wrote: >A friend of mine is selling this motorcycle. Please contact him not me. > >---------- > >1992 Nighthawk 750 > >Black. Aftermarket extras - Corbin seat, handlebars and mirrors, never >downed, no rain, no rust, always garaged, meticulously cared for with >records from new. 2nd experienced adult owner. Bike has had all servicing, >new tires and battery. Work and travel schedule has prevented me from >enjoying this bike, as I have not ridden more than six times since I >purchased. A truly mint motorcycle. $2500 (202)256-4254, >tdonnelly@XXXXXX ______________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org "No arsenal, or no weapon in the arsenals of the world, is so formidable as the will and moral courage of free men and women." --Ronald Reagan From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 5 17:45:33 2001 From: "Jay St. Peter" To: Cc: Subject: Re:Questions about crash damaged bikes. Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 17:44:01 -0500 X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Return-Path: jay.stpeter@XXXXXX X-MDRcpt-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-MDRemoteIP: 192.9.200.199 If that is Mike Orapello, I have bought some parts from him and he is a pretty cool guy. Former lister Collin bought his GSXR750 racebike from him and had pretty good luck (although I don't believe he ever titled it for the street). I definitely wouldn't say run, but I would say to be careful. I believe most of the bikes are going to be rebuilt and or still crash damaged bikes. It depends on your level of competency with a wrench. Just be sure to thoroughly inspect the bike. Look at the frame in particular for anything that looks amiss. A little crease could mean it's a little tweaked. Also look closely at the forks and swingarm for any damage there. Unless something catastrophic happened to crack the block, most of the japanese bikes you're talking about are relatively bulletproof in the engine dept. The only real thing I can think of might be a bent shifting mechanism. Just make sure the shifting is smooth. That's also a fairly cheap fix if you're good w/a wrench. FWIW, I think Collin paid about $750 at GMD to get his frame straightened and re-welded after a big crash at Summit. So, if the frame is tweaked enough to affect handling, that would be the downside. I would be leary about getting a salvage title if you plan on riding it on the street. Mike may know how to get a salvage title made "street legal". But, I think the title will always have a notation that it was formerly crash damaged. So, resale value will be low (much like the amount you paid). Just be sure to factor in the cost of all the parts you will need if you buy one that still has crash damage. Will you be happy with scratched and cracked bodywork and a dented tank, or will you be anal and replace it all $$$$? If you wind up getting anal, you will probably pay as much as, if not more than you would to get one already in excellent shape. And your resale will still be lower. It also depends on what you really plan on doing with the bike. If you ever plan on racing it, I would get it as cheap as possible (as you will put racing bodywork, suspension etc. on it anyway). If you just plan on the occasional track day and you want a good looking bike for weekend posing, maybe not. FWIW, I plan on going this route with my next bike (which I plan on using as a street/as many track days as possible bike). I do consider it a risk, but if you're careful I think the risk can be reduced to the point where any additional costs you may incur will only bring the cost up to one that was never crashed. Plus, I don't mind looking like a squid with rashed/spraypainted bodywork :) Good luck, Jay St. Peter From dc-cycles-request Sat Jan 6 15:17:52 2001 From: "Boomer" To: "Dale Horstman" , Cc: Subject: RE: Tire reviews Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 20:15:56 -0000 >Ahh, the Brits. What the heck do they >mean by 'overbanding'???? It's Anglic English for what you colonials call a "Tar Snake". Tar use to fill in a gap in the road. VERY slippery in the wet and it do rain here occasionally. Why "overbanding"? I have no idea. Tar Snake is more descriptive. The name was probably agreed by a government committee. Never mind, maybe we'll have another Guy Fawkes soon, and this one may even succeed. George "Boomer" Garratt Hullbridge, Essex, UK. 1986 GTR1000 A1, "Sanji" 1987 GTR1000 A2, Project "Hoolie" COG-SS #3242 CDA # 003 http://www.GTR1000.COM Boomer@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Sat Jan 6 18:42:15 2001 From: "Danny Thompson" To: Subject: Anyone want to go for a little ride tomorrow (Sunday)? Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 18:20:52 -0500 Let me know and I'll make a meeting place and time. After church.... Danny '98 VTR '00 SV (For Sale) '99 SV (race bike) Novice #903 www.onewayracing.org Sponsored by: Shen Valley Trailers: www.shenvalleywarrenton.com, toll free @ 888-743-6825 Blalock Cycle: www.blalockcycle.com, 540-347-4591 From dc-cycles-request Sat Jan 6 19:03:42 2001 Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 19:03:32 -0500 To: "Danny Thompson" , From: Andrew Culpepper Subject: Re: Anyone want to go for a little ride tomorrow (Sunday)? At 06:20 PM 1/5/01 , Danny Thompson wrote: >Let me know and I'll make a meeting place and time. After church.... >Danny I would. I can leave the Annandale area by 12:15pm. M-$M-:M-0`M-0M-:M-$M-x,M-8M-8,M-xM-$M-:M-0`M-0M-:M-$M-xM-$M-:M-0`M-0M-:M-$M-x,M-8M-8,M-xM-$M-:M-0`M-0M-:M-$M-xM-$M-:M-0`M-0M-:M-$M-x,M-8M-8,M-xM-$M-:M-0`M-0M-:M-$M-xM-$M-:M-0`M-0M-:M-$M-x,M-8 J. Andrew Culpepper King George, VA (540) 775-3984 '90 EX500 S-TRA# 100 MGNOC# 15488 From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 7 09:31:51 2001 From: "Danny Thompson" To: Subject: Sunday Ride Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 09:28:42 -0500 We are meeting about 1:30 at Sheetz at the intersection of Rt. 15 and Rt. 55, leaving about 1:45. All are welcome to join us. It will be a fairly relaxed ride about 100 miles or so. Danny '98 VTR '00 SV (For Sale) '99 SV (race bike) Novice #903 www.onewayracing.org Sponsored by: Shen Valley Trailers: www.shenvalleywarrenton.com, toll free @ 888-743-6825 Blalock Cycle: www.blalockcycle.com, 540-347-4591 From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 7 10:09:02 2001 From: "Chris Weaver" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: Moto Passenger Meeting on TV Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 10:09:06 -0500 I just now saw a bit about the motorcycle passenger legislation meeting on News Channel 8. Given the number of times they air stuff on that channel, it will probably be viewable all day. It was about a 30-second spot. Chris Weaver '98 VTR1000F '89 YSR50 www.dccycles.com From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 7 12:50:52 2001 Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 09:50:43 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Marhefsky Subject: 1996 Trident for sale - cheap! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX 1996 Trident 900 (Black/red) with 1850 miles. Micron pipes, corbin seat,rack, center stand. Bike is as new with transferrable warranty gooduntil 12/12/2004. I'm selling only because it does not fit me well (and I want a 2001 tiger). Sacrifice $4500 or best offer. I'll also include a Triumph shop manual, front fender extension, racetech goldvalve emulators. I've posted a couple of pics - members.bellatlantic.net/~sly/trident1.jpg members.bellatlantic.net/~sly/trident2.jpg members.bellatlantic.net/~sly/trident2.jpg Please contact me at bmarhefsky@XXXXXX or phone me at (703) 243-0115 Bike is located in Arlington, VA. Thanks! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 7 13:26:20 2001 From: "Edward Rosenbrock" To: Subject: bike for sale Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 13:23:54 -0800 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C078AD.155F0D00 Hi guys! I'm leaving the country in two months and I selling my motorcycle. It's = a honda cbr1000f, 15 k miles. Excellent condition. Model 1994. Price: = $4700 Always garage kept. I could be interested in trading for a brand new model ( year 1999 or = 2000) smaller bike but has to be 0 mile!! E.Rosenbrock ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C078AD.155F0D00
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------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C078AD.155F0D00-- From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 7 13:33:32 2001 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 13:31:19 -0500 Subject: MARRC Awards Banquet - Saturday, January 27, 2001 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 3-4,6-23,25-35,37,39-40,42 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Tom Fitzpatrick This is it! The big event! Honoring the members of the Mid Atlantic Road Racing Community. MARRC Cornerworkers and Local Racers will be honored by their peers. New MARRC Directors and Officers will be installed. This is a great event. It supports the organization that supports you, and it is a terrific way to get together in the off season. When: Saturday, January 27, 2001, from 6:00 to 11:00 Where: Holiday Inn, Laurel, MD Cost: $30 per person - a bargain at twice the price! Contact: Wendy Leland at 301-441-9220 and at newsletter@XXXXXX to sign up for the banquet. You must register in advance in order to attend. CALL NOW! Get all the details on the fabulous MARRC web page at: http://marrc.nova.org/html_docs/calendar.html Hope to see you there! Tom Tom Fitzpatrick CCS#806 (http://www.celticracing.com) Sponsors: *Fast Lane Cycles/fastlanecycles@XXXXXX/703-818-8890/ (http://www.fastlanecycles.com)* *Barnacle Bill's Racing Leathers - barnacle@XXXXXX (http://www.racingleather.com)* *A.F.S. Contractor Inc. - Insurance Recovery Specialist for Your Home* *Janet Bell TAX Preparation, Accounting and Consulting (belljan@XXXXXX)* From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 8 07:40:51 2001 Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 04:40:26 -0800 (PST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: AMA changes? To: DC-Cycles Recently I read about how the AMA selected a new president, Robert Rasor. All it said about J. Scott Thornton was that he retired after serving since Nov 1999. However, from the articles he wrote for American Motorcyclist, it seemed like he planned on serving as president for a much longer period of time and wanted to help with more changes. Has anyone heard of any reason why he suddenly stepped down? Just curious. Louis __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 8 08:21:45 2001 Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 08:22:36 -0800 To: "DC Cycles" From: Stephen Harris Subject: Re: Moto Passenger Meeting on TV I went to the meeting, the camara didn't show up until about he last ten minutes of the hour long or so meeting. It was pretty interesting. Some hyperbole & non-sequitors raise. One woman actually asked rep Cryor what this law would mean for her friend who is a dwarf, but then again she claimed to be studing constitutional law & refered to out constitutional right to ride motorcycles (I must have missed that part of the constitution...:-). But overall there was a lot of very good points raised, none of which were in favor of the law. I think we are going to get screwed in MD, if not by representative Cryor, then by more liberal elements of the MD legislator. Motorcyclist's in MD are really out numbered by the goverment control types. Even if every motorcyclist in the state complained to their representative, I see the raised spector of "child safety" is going to crush any resistance of reason we raise. Still, I'm going to write letters, try to get my fellow motorcyclists involved, attend meetings & speak up as I did, but I don't see that we have a chance. The sad thing is, the root cause of this, a child custody case, will not be resolved in any way. I don't doubt for a minute that the offending father in question will simply alter his passenger foot pegs so as to be in compliance with the law, and continue to pick up his son for visitation on a bike just to piss off the EX. At 10:09 AM 1/7/01 -0500, Chris Weaver wrote: >I just now saw a bit about the motorcycle passenger legislation meeting on >News Channel 8. Given the number of times they air stuff on that channel, it >will probably be viewable all day. It was about a 30-second spot. > >Chris Weaver >'98 VTR1000F >'89 YSR50 >www.dccycles.com > > > Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 8 08:45:26 2001 Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 08:45:21 -0500 From: "Chris Norloff" To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Meeting - Cryor's bill on children/motorcycles >At 05:26 AM 1/5/01 -0800, Louis F. Caplan wrote: >>Are out of state people welcomed at >>events like these? I do ride in MD frequently > >From: Stephen Harris > Democracy in work. If you don't use it, you loose it. True, but politicians often care little about what people who can't vote for them think. Nothing quite like lobbying a legislature and finding out that no one really cares what you think unless you can vote for them. What's the answer to Louis' question, anyway? Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 8 08:47:39 2001 Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 08:47:35 -0500 From: "Chris Norloff" To: Subject: Re: So who was Joe Hero today? ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Glenn Dysart >So who had the brass balls to ride in today? And >better yet, who's going to ride it home? No problem - the main roads were all clear by 4:30. One road near home was snow-packed but that wasn't a problem with no traffic to deal with. Still, if I'd heard the weather-guess ... uh, weather forecast ... I would have taken the sidecar rig to work. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 8 08:50:47 2001 Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 08:50:42 -0500 From: "Chris Norloff" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: Redneck Here ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Dale Horstman >That's the ONLY reason I voted for Gilmore, and to his credit, he is >doing every thing he can to get rid of the tax. Yeah, like cutting road and education funding. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 8 08:58:44 2001 Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 08:58:41 -0500 From: "Chris Norloff" To: , Subject: Re: snow "flurries" vs motorcycle ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Matthew Patton" >well, me and the mc lost that round this morning. ...All's fine till I lean the bike over. WHAM!! I have a close encounter with mr. earth at maybe 8 mph. I guess I should have straddle walked the thing through the turn. now I know better. > Very sorry to hear. Glad you're basically okay. I've ridden in snow when there was little enough traction that the rear tire would spin if I gave it more than a little throttle. In cases like that I try to keep the bike upright (straddle-walking around turns, out of traffic). I also find that turning with my feet - putting my weight on the inside peg - works better than countersteering. It keeps my weight more centered, and the front end isn't as prone to wash out. best, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 8 09:26:14 2001 Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 09:26:00 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: snow "flurries" vs motorcycle At 08:58 AM 1/8/01, you wrote: >I've ridden in snow when there was little enough traction that the rear >tire would spin if I gave it more than a little throttle. In cases like >that I try to keep the bike upright (straddle-walking around turns, out of >traffic). I also find that turning with my feet - putting my weight on >the inside peg - works better than countersteering. It keeps my weight >more centered, and the front end isn't as prone to wash out. Chris - do you have a car? If so - why would you ride in conditions like that? I can understand getting stuck in a sudden snow storm, but I can't understand planning to ride in it. At least not on a bike with all of its weight on the front wheel. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org I spent a lot of money on wine and women and like a fool I squandered the rest. - Benny Hill From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 8 09:33:30 2001 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc cycles" Subject: Who's riding to Philadelphia? Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 09:30:11 -0500 So far the weather guessers are forecasting highs in the upper 40s and low 50s for Saturday. Perfect for riding to the Philadelphia Motorcycle Show. I'm thinking of slightly more scenic routes on the way up and slabbing it on the way back. Also, to those who have been before, are there lockers for storing gear? My bike is lacking in the lockable storage department. Depending on the parking situation a cable lock through Aerostich sleeve and helmet might do the trick. Paul in DC 1991 CB750 From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 8 09:36:56 2001 Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 06:36:50 -0800 (PST) From: Trey Herb Subject: Re: Moto Passenger Meeting on TV - OT RANT RANT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >I don't doubt for a minute > that the offending > father in question will simply alter his passenger > foot pegs so as to be in > compliance with the law, and continue to pick up his > son for visitation on > a bike just to piss off the EX. >snip Good for him. I love to piss off the EX. I do think he should be a little more concerned about the safety of carrying the child though. We can piss people off and be safe at the same time. I thought someone on this list mentioned that the law in MD alread had provision for a passenger to be able to reach the pegs. Is this true? If so why are we making a new law, just enforce the old one. If I am not careful this will turn into a gun law rant. If the GD ATF would enforce the GD... (Help the MMM (million mom marchers) have intersepted my messages and are preparing storm my fortress- all freedom loving people grab your guns. Paint big haired women and minivans on your targets. Take no prisoners these people cannot be re-educated. Such is the price of freedom) Now I must go club some baby seals. BTW - I would be just as pissed of if the ATF did enforce the GD laws. Peace Trey ( just a little prickly today) --- Stephen Harris wrote: > > I went to the meeting, the camara didn't show up > until about he last ten > minutes of the hour long or so meeting. It was > pretty interesting. Some > hyperbole & non-sequitors raise. One woman actually > asked rep Cryor what > this law would mean for her friend who is a dwarf, > but then again she > claimed to be studing constitutional law & refered > to out constitutional > right to ride motorcycles (I must have missed that > part of the > constitution...:-). But overall there was a lot of > very good points > raised, none of which were in favor of the law. > > > I think we are going to get screwed in MD, if not > by representative Cryor, > then by more liberal elements of the MD legislator. > Motorcyclist's in MD > are really out numbered by the goverment control > types. Even if every > motorcyclist in the state complained to their > representative, I see the > raised spector of "child safety" is going to crush > any resistance of reason > we raise. Still, I'm going to write letters, try to > get my fellow > motorcyclists involved, attend meetings & speak up > as I did, but I don't > see that we have a chance. > > The sad thing is, the root cause of this, a child > custody case, will not > be resolved in any way. I don't doubt for a minute > that the offending > father in question will simply alter his passenger > foot pegs so as to be in > compliance with the law, and continue to pick up his > son for visitation on > a bike just to piss off the EX. > > > At 10:09 AM 1/7/01 -0500, Chris Weaver wrote: > >I just now saw a bit about the motorcycle passenger > legislation meeting on > >News Channel 8. Given the number of times they air > stuff on that channel, it > >will probably be viewable all day. It was about a > 30-second spot. > > > >Chris Weaver > >'98 VTR1000F > >'89 YSR50 > >www.dccycles.com > > > > > > > > Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? > Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 8 09:53:50 2001 Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 09:54:38 -0800 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Stephen Harris Subject: Re: Moto Passenger Meeting on TV - OT RANT RANT At 06:36 AM 1/8/01 -0800, Trey Herb wrote: >I thought someone on this list mentioned that the law >in MD alread had provision for a passenger to be able >to reach the pegs. Is this true? Aparently this is not the case, that other person was wrong. I'm not an attorney, have have not studied the statutes, but representative Cryor sez this is the case, and I'm sure she would not have wasted her time without checking on this first. There is some thought, according to an retired law enforcement officer in attendence, that child endangerment laws would address this. But like I said, I am not an atty. S Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 8 10:00:07 2001 Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 10:00:47 -0500 From: Chuck Pena To: Paul Wilson CC: dc cycles Subject: Re: Who's riding to Philadelphia? Paul, I don't recall there being any lockers at the convention center in Philly. Bt I wouldn't know absolutely 100% for sure since I've never had the need or looked for any. As for cable locking stuff to your m/c... Remember that you're in the "big city". Would you do this and feel safe doing so in DC? 'Nuff said. Chuck Paul Wilson wrote: > > So far the weather guessers are forecasting highs in the upper 40s and low > 50s for Saturday. Perfect for riding to the Philadelphia Motorcycle Show. > I'm thinking of slightly more scenic routes on the way up and slabbing it on > the way back. Also, to those who have been before, are there lockers for > storing gear? My bike is lacking in the lockable storage department. > Depending on the parking situation a cable lock through Aerostich sleeve and > helmet might do the trick. > > Paul in DC > 1991 CB750 From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 8 10:04:40 2001 Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 10:06:26 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Erick Singley Subject: solar battery charger? Greetings from a totally new rider (other than the MD safety course) - I'll be getting my first bike as soon as I can pick it up in VA. After lurking and learning, I remember a 'battery tender' being mentioned useful, especially in colder weather. Harbor Freight is selling a 12V solar battery charger for $20. Is this the same thing? (my bike will be parked too far for a plug-in type) http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/taf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=35695 Thanks, Erick From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 8 10:11:31 2001 From: Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 10:09:11 -0500 Subject: Re: Who's riding to Philadelphia? To: the_penas@XXXXXX Cc: pawilson@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on US-AMSMTA005/US/INTL(Release 5.0.5 |September 22, 2000) at 01/08/2001 10:10:51 AM I haven't been to the Phily show before, but I know the one in NYC has a coat/gear check. I would think Phily would do similar. Although be warned, as I recall the line for the check was enormous. --chris Chuck Pena on 01/08/2001 10:00:47 AM Please respond to the_penas@XXXXXX To: Paul Wilson cc: dc cycles Subject: Re: Who's riding to Philadelphia? Paul, I don't recall there being any lockers at the convention center in Philly. Bt I wouldn't know absolutely 100% for sure since I've never had the need or looked for any. As for cable locking stuff to your m/c... Remember that you're in the "big city". Would you do this and feel safe doing so in DC? 'Nuff said. Chuck Paul Wilson wrote: > > So far the weather guessers are forecasting highs in the upper 40s and low > 50s for Saturday. Perfect for riding to the Philadelphia Motorcycle Show. > I'm thinking of slightly more scenic routes on the way up and slabbing it on > the way back. Also, to those who have been before, are there lockers for > storing gear? My bike is lacking in the lockable storage department. > Depending on the parking situation a cable lock through Aerostich sleeve and > helmet might do the trick. > > Paul in DC > 1991 CB750 ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 8 10:12:36 2001 Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 10:12:29 -0500 From: Dave Yates CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: solar battery charger? Erick Singley wrote: > > Greetings from a totally new rider (other than the MD safety course) > - I'll be getting my first bike as soon as I can pick it up in VA. Congrats. > After lurking and learning, I remember a 'battery tender' being > mentioned useful, especially in colder weather. Harbor Freight is > selling a 12V solar battery charger for $20. Is this the same thing? No, but I don't have any experience one way or the other with the solar charger. the Battery Tender does work well however... > (my bike will be parked too far for a plug-in type) I understand. but soon, I'll have a garage to park the bike in :-) for $20, why not give the solar charger a try ? -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 8 10:15:30 2001 From: "Cedric Bernescut" To: "dc-cycles@dc-cycles. org (E-mail)" Subject: a few chuckles Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 10:15:17 -0500 CBR's still out of commission so I surfed instead of riding. Did manage to get a spare moment to put on a new brake pedal over the weekend. Getting the old one off was a real PITA, using the end of the needle-nose pliers to shove the old cotter pin out isn't the best idea. Having fresh band-aids around though, is a good one. I also discovered the concept of snap-ring pliers, they are amazingly more effective than a pair of Vise-Grips and a flat-blade screwdriver. Home Depot carries them and you can pick them up at midnight on Saturday night :) Humorous site that poles fun at Rich Urban Bikers, winter flame starter: http://www.wildboomer.com/yuppiebikerif.htm Cedric 1996 CBR600F3 Annandale, VA " From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 8 10:18:15 2001 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc cycles" Subject: Re: Who's riding to Philadelphia? Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 10:17:08 -0500 ----- Original Message ----- From: Chuck Pena > Paul, > > I don't recall there being any lockers at the convention center in > Philly. Bt I wouldn't know absolutely 100% for sure since I've never > had the need or looked for any. As for cable locking stuff to your > m/c... Remember that you're in the "big city". Would you do this and > feel safe doing so in DC? 'Nuff said. > > Chuck Depends on the situation. In an attended lot or garage, yes, parked on the street at 14th and U, no. Paul in DC 1991 CB750 From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 8 10:26:09 2001 Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 10:25:37 -0500 From: "Chris Norloff" To: Subject: Re: snow "flurries" vs motorcycle Yes, I have a car, but I prefer the sidecar rig if the weather's bad. I'm biased toward motorcycles for the HOV lanes and parking at work - cars just don't come close. No, I don't intentionally ride in dangerous conditions, I just work to ride and ride to work. If you approach it with an eye toward traction and balance you can do a lot more with a motorcycle than most people think. Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Troutman Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 09:26:00 -0500 >At 08:58 AM 1/8/01, you wrote: >>I've ridden in snow when there was little enough traction that the rear >>tire would spin if I gave it more than a little throttle. In cases like >>that I try to keep the bike upright (straddle-walking around turns, out of >>traffic). I also find that turning with my feet - putting my weight on >>the inside peg - works better than countersteering. It keeps my weight >>more centered, and the front end isn't as prone to wash out. > >Chris - do you have a car? If so - why would you ride in conditions like >that? I can understand getting stuck in a sudden snow storm, but I can't >understand planning to ride in it. At least not on a bike with all of its >weight on the front wheel. > >___________________________________________ > > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org > >I spent a lot of money on wine and women and like a fool I >squandered the rest. - Benny Hill > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 8 10:47:40 2001 Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 10:45:08 -0500 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Redneck Here To: cnorloff@XXXXXX Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Chris Norloff wrote: > > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: Dale Horstman > >That's the ONLY reason I voted for Gilmore, and to his credit, he is > >doing every thing he can to get rid of the tax. > > Yeah, like cutting road and education funding. > > Chris Norloff Wanna make an omelette? Gotta break a few eggs. Time to have VA government do more with less... I'm way tired of paying taxes every year on a vehicle I bought years ago (or on one that technically I don't own until it is paid off). -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi 1982 Suzuki GS850G 1987 Kawasaki Concours - untitled, un-named, previously un-loved New Member, Concours Rescue Society From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 8 10:51:34 2001 Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 07:44:21 -0800 (PST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: Meeting - Cryor's bill on children/motorcycles To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Chris Norloff wrote: > >At 05:26 AM 1/5/01 -0800, Louis F. Caplan wrote: > >>Are out of state people welcomed at > >>events like these? I do ride in MD frequently > > > >From: Stephen Harris > > Democracy in work. If you don't use it, you loose it. > > True, but politicians often care little about what people who can't vote for > them think. Nothing quite like lobbying a legislature and finding out that > no one really cares what you think unless you can vote for them. > > What's the answer to Louis' question, anyway? Well, I never did get an answer, but figured I'd go anyway to see what it would be like, and to at least show some support. Ms. Cryor went around before the meeting began, shaking everyone's hand and asking where they lived. She didn't run away when I said VA, but didn't make much conversation either. :-) This was the first political type of meeting I've ever been to, and even though I didn't speak up and say anything, I learned a lot by watching and listening to people. I happened to sit right in front of Bill Gawthorp (hope I spelled that right??). Bill had all the facts, numbers, statistics, Ms. Cryor's biography, made suggestions to others about how to word their statements, etc. He also corrected Ms. Cryor a few times when she made certain claims. I also sat across from (Katherine L??) a MSF instructor in MD who also made several good points, and had posted on DC-Cycles about this as well. >From my observations (and since I'm hard of hearing, I did miss certain things, so I may not be 100% correct) it seems that Ms. Cryor was hopping from one reason to another. At one point she brought up the child custody suit, and at another point she said that "someone else" in Annapolis was going to draft a tougher law (but wouldn't say who), and that similar laws were being drafted in other states; so this would put something softer in place so they wouldn't have the worse law. (i.e. lose a little bit of your rights now so you don't lose more later) She never mentioned the Dr. Gridlock column, it was a fellow rider who pointed out that all this seemed to start after that column. There were several good, well thought out statements [almost to the point of speeches ;-) ] Ms. Cryor seemed upset because she and the MD motorcycle community had always gotten along before. However, the leader of ABATE said that while they worked together before, they were going to fight her and her proposal. The only part I felt a little cheated on was that this meeting was for motorcyclists only, Ms. Cryor wanted to "learn more" about how motorcyclists felt about the proposal, and perhaps rewrite it to better fit our "needs." Thus none of the "supporters" of the bill were there. Not that I thought it would be an ambush, but I wanted to hear what they had to say as well, not because I think they are right, but it would be more balanced to hear both sides. All in all, I'm glad I went. The experience made me think that I might look into the "AMA Eagles" program or other motorcycle rights type of training. Louis ===== "Admiral" Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours Alexandria, VA Co-Planner, MD20-20 http://www.masondixon20-20.org/ Home Page: http://members.nbci.com/Nighthawk700/cycle.htm __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 8 10:54:10 2001 Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 07:54:03 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: snow "flurries" vs motorcycle To: Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Troutman wrote: > Chris - do you have a car? If so - why would you > ride in conditions like > that? I can understand getting stuck in a sudden > snow storm, but I can't > understand planning to ride in it. At least not on > a bike with all of its > weight on the front wheel. Isn't this pretty much the same as the question "Why do you ride a motorcycle anyway? Those things are dangerous, why my cousin's uncle had one of those things and he . . ." Leon. I ride because on a motorcycle, the rewards and punishments for doing it right or wrong are much more intense than doing the same in a car. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 8 10:59:23 2001 Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 10:59:53 -0500 From: Chuck Pena To: Paul Wilson CC: dc cycles Subject: Re: Who's riding to Philadelphia? I don't know if there are any actual garages right near the convention center. When I've gone there (in my car), I either park on the street or in a nearby lot. FWIW, the lots are "attended" but I don't know how well watched they are. Paul Wilson wrote: > > Depends on the situation. In an attended lot or garage, yes, parked on the > street at 14th and U, no. From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 8 11:05:58 2001 Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 11:05:42 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: snow "flurries" vs motorcycle At 10:54 AM 1/8/01, Leon Begeman wrote: >Isn't this pretty much the same as the question "Why >do you ride a motorcycle anyway? Those things are >dangerous, why my cousin's uncle had one of those >things and he . . ." > >Leon. >I ride because on a motorcycle, the rewards and >punishments for doing it right or wrong are much more >intense than doing the same in a car. No - to me they are totally different. Riding a motorcycle in the snow, when you are forced to put your feet down to keep from falling in a turn, or to steer using your pegs rather than slide the front end ... is totally different than the risks we face riding in the rain or on a clear day. Not to mention the increased risk other drivers pose to you - especially in this area. Not only are they more likely not to see you, you have less control to evade (at least on the side streets). I wasn't out to harass Chris - if he rides to get the HOV lanes and park, then that is totally valid. Especially since the main roads are generally clear, it is just a few miles of side roads that pose a risk. How can you compare the two Leon? ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org I spent a lot of money on wine and women and like a fool I squandered the rest. - Benny Hill From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 8 11:40:43 2001 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc cycles" Subject: Re: snow "flurries" vs motorcycle Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 11:39:33 -0500 ----- Original Message ----- From: Leon Begeman > --- Troutman wrote: > > Chris - do you have a car? If so - why would you > > ride in conditions like > > that? I can understand getting stuck in a sudden > > snow storm, but I can't > > understand planning to ride in it. At least not on > > a bike with all of its > > weight on the front wheel. > > Isn't this pretty much the same as the question "Why > do you ride a motorcycle anyway? Those things are > dangerous, why my cousin's uncle had one of those > things and he . . ." > > Leon. > I ride because on a motorcycle, the rewards and > punishments for doing it right or wrong are much more > intense than doing the same in a car. I like riding in a light snow cover. It's neat seeing first hand how big your contact patch is. :^) Seriously though, if you do find yourself in a dicey situation, smooth throttle and brake application is key. I usually chicken out if the streets look iffy, but I pushed my luck once last winter on the commute home. That night I braked for a stop sign and had the rear end break loose on me on an icy patch. It nearly came around 90 degrees for a nice juicy lowside, but I was going very slowly and somehow I remained upright. I've never had the front wheel bust loose on snow or ice. Ice and snow is one situation where the normal braking rules don't apply. Use the rear brake lightly and the front _very_ lightly. A rear wheel slide is much preferred to a front wheel lock up. Don't chop the throttle either. Just remember that spinning wheels are stable wheels. The roads were fine on the ride home on Friday, so it wasn't even a tough call. It was warm enough we didn't have the side street freeze up that usually happens on unsalted pavement. Paul in DC 1991 CB750 http://users.erols.com/pawilson From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 8 12:01:25 2001 Subject: Fallen Rider (possible rumor) To: Dc-Cycles@XXXXXX From: jitabashi@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 10:00:34 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on WBLN0014/Facility/World Bank(Release 5.0.5 |September 22, 2000) at 01/08/2001 10:00:35 AM Hello, Not to be the bearer of bad news but did any one hear about the 15yr old kid that was killed riding an R6, he was supposedly from Olney, MD. What was he doing on street motorcycle at all at 15. Does anyone have details about what happened. James Itabashi The World Bank Group Site 8 SMS Administrator ISGGC - ISGITC 202-458-1697 x.81697 I2-165D jitabashi@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 8 12:04:05 2001 From: "Doug Allis" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: snow "flurries" vs motorcycle Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 17:03:55 >Use the rear brake lightly and the >front _very_ lightly. A rear wheel slide is much preferred to a front >wheel >lock up. Don't chop the throttle either. Just remember that spinning >wheels are stable wheels. I learned this Friday evening. >The roads were fine on the ride home on Friday, so it wasn't even a tough >call. It was warm enough we didn't have the side street freeze up that >usually happens on unsalted pavement. Agreed, except that the pipestem driveway down to my house was nice and ice by the time I got to it. Usually when this happens I usually leave my PC-800 at the top of the drive or ride the grass down to my house. This time I (stupidly) did the driveway and then realized I had to avoid a car parked at the end. Yikes! The rear swung out and I laid it (gently) on the PC's leftside "fairing protectors". I stood it up and left it there until the Saturday sun melted it all. Damage: I cracked the "disposable" plastic "fairing protector" thingie, maybe $75 if I go original equipment. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 8 12:18:21 2001 Date: 8 Jan 2001 09:18:13 -0800 To: jitabashi@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: Dc-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Fallen Rider (possible rumor) On Mon, 08 January 2001, jitabashi@XXXXXX wrote: What was he > doing on street motorcycle at age 15 uh, and an R6 at that...I'm not even going to comment on this one because I won't be nice considering I can't imagine a 15 year old on that bike was doing anything smart. I could be wrong, though... LAG ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 8 12:58:30 2001 Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 12:58:17 -0500 From: Jay Goddard To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" , "mad@XXXXXX" Subject: Philly motorcycle show We are taking our new (to us) Suburban on it's maiden voyage up to the Philly bike show (http://www.motorcycleshows.com/ph.cfm) this Saturday. We have 4 open seats (the truck seats 8, we hope to have a total of 7). We hope to leave the 495/River Road exit at 7:30. The show opens at 10:00 and it is about a 2.5 hour drive. We will leave the show at 9:00, and get back to 495/River before midnight. In the past at shows like this we get bored around 1:00 go find lunch (CHEESE STEAKS) in the city, then go back to the show for a few hours, then find some place cool for dinner. But really you can do whatever you want while you are there. We are asking for $12 to cover gas, tolls and parking. If you are interested please drop Lisa (lisa@XXXXXX) or I (redbelly@XXXXXX) an Email. Jay & Lisa Goddard VFR, ZX-11 and the Monster From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 8 13:00:08 2001 Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 08:50:34 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Who's riding to Philadelphia? To: the_penas@XXXXXX, Paul Wilson Cc: dc c