RE: Tire wear

From dc-cycles-request Sat Jan 1 23:01:29 2000 Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2000 22:58:37 -0500 From: JEM Broga Subject: AGV Leathers for Sale To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, sv650@XXXXXX X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_8UvPGaAKrM7gu9xCOjpJyw) Any new racers - Have you bought leathers yet? I have only raced one season in mine and I = am selling them cheap. They are size 46 AGV Rage in white red and black. = Let me know if you or anyone you know is looking for leathers. I only = went down once in them, a graceful lowside in T6 at Summit, no = structural damage to suit, but some cosmetic damage on the ass from the = slide. Doesn't effect protection at all. Selling for $150 plus shipping = if not local. (DC Area) Jonathan Broga JEM Racing '99 SV650X - WERA Expert #502 Sponsored by: http://www.speed-werks.com http://www.centurypool.com --Boundary_(ID_8UvPGaAKrM7gu9xCOjpJyw)

Any new racers -

Have you bought leathers yet? I have = only raced one=20 season in mine and I am selling them cheap. They are size 46 AGV Rage in = white=20 red and black. Let me know if you or anyone you know is looking for = leathers. I=20 only went down once in them, a graceful lowside in T6 at Summit, no = structural=20 damage to suit, but some cosmetic damage on the ass from the slide. = Doesn't=20 effect protection at all. Selling for $150 plus shipping if not local. = (DC=20 Area)

Jonathan Broga
JEM Racing
'99 = SV650X - WERA=20 Expert #502

Sponsored by:
http://www.speed-werks.com
http://www.centurypool.com

--Boundary_(ID_8UvPGaAKrM7gu9xCOjpJyw)-- From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 2 12:13:03 2000 Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2000 12:10:27 -0500 From: JEM Broga Subject: Tires for sale - Cheap, DC Area To: sv650@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_JpPI51CHwDzhOdzL3l+e9A) I am doing spring cleaning of the garage, and have some take-offs to = sell.=20 1) 207 GP's Plenty of tread, 8 heat cycles per set on an SV650 at Summit = - 2 sets 170/60 120/70 $50 per set/OBO 2)MEZ4 - only 400 gentle miles. Used for break in - 1 set 160/60 120/60 $50/OBO Jonathan Broga JEM Racing '99 SV650X - CCS#500 Sponsored by: http://www.speed-werks.com http://www.centurypool.com --Boundary_(ID_JpPI51CHwDzhOdzL3l+e9A)

I am doing spring cleaning of the = garage, and have=20 some take-offs to sell.

1) 207 GP's Plenty of tread, 8 heat = cycles per set=20 on an SV650 at Summit - 2 sets

170/60

120/70

$50 per = set/OBO

2)MEZ4 - only 400 gentle miles. Used = for break in -=20 1 set

160/60

120/60

$50/OBO

Jonathan Broga
JEM Racing
'99 = SV650X -=20 CCS#500

Sponsored by:
http://www.speed-werks.com
http://www.centurypool.com

--Boundary_(ID_JpPI51CHwDzhOdzL3l+e9A)-- From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 3 08:14:47 2000 X-Sender: nsuesse@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 08:15:19 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Ned Suesse Subject: Scary... http://www.marineturbine.com/y2kinnov.htm Several Bad ideas rolled into one... Ned Suesse From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 3 08:27:26 2000 From: Jason Picton To: "'Ned Suesse'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Scary... Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 08:23:30 -0500 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_000_01BF55ED.B9D441AE Yeah, but how well does it corner. Jason -----Original Message----- From: Ned Suesse [mailto:nsuesse@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, January 03, 2000 8:15 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Scary... http://www.marineturbine.com/y2kinnov.htm Several Bad ideas rolled into one... Ned Suesse ------_=_NextPart_000_01BF55ED.B9D441AE Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Jason Picton.vcf" BEGIN:VCARD VERSION:2.1 N:Picton;Jason FN:Jason Picton ORG:;IT EMAIL;PREF;INTERNET:jip98@XXXXXX REV:19990611T195532Z END:VCARD ------_=_NextPart_000_01BF55ED.B9D441AE-- From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 3 09:14:41 2000 Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2000 09:12:56 -0500 From: Nelson Fernandez Organization: Production Technology, Inc. X-Accept-Language: en To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Lots of presents for the bike Hello friends and fellow listers Hope everyone had a happy holiday and new year. It would seem that my bike made out well this christmas. Finally got those sink sticks in and spent Sunday rejetting and sinking the carbs (best it has run since I bought it). Had to use a little teflon tape to make up for the fact that the FZR has 6mm holes and the sink sticks and every other bike know to man uses 5mm, didn't want to wait any longer for the 6mm adapters to arrive. Also got a new set of mirrors so that I can see more than my forearms when riding. Its really nice not having to lift your arm up to look under it to know who is at your back door. As well as the stuff for the bike itself I also received copies of the Sportbike Performance Handbook and Sportbiking: The Real World (The Advanced Riders Handbook). Will let you all know what I think of them when I am finished reading but so far I like what I've read. Needless to say if anyone wants to use the sticks just drop me a line and let me know. I also have a nice set of Snap-On tools but after loosing over $500 worth to someone who decided to move away right after borrowing some, they have become "use with owner around" tools (sorry). Well, enjoy the temperatures while they last everyone because you know it want last and we'll be back to runny noses and frozen fingers before you know it. Take care all Nelson -- Nelson Fernandez Network Administrator Production Technology, Inc. 2231 Crystal Drive Suite 815 Arlington, VA 22202 Phone 703.271.9055 Fax 703.271.9059 www. http://www.pti.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 3 09:19:39 2000 Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 06:19:35 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Reply-To: mrider@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Scary... To: Ned Suesse , dc-cycles@XXXXXX I saw this bike at Daytona last year. It's pretty. I did not see it run. Which of the features of the bike do you think are bad ideas? I thought it showed some interesting uses of technology. Leon. --- Ned Suesse wrote: > http://www.marineturbine.com/y2kinnov.htm > > Several Bad ideas rolled into one... > > Ned Suesse > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 3 10:38:55 2000 From: "Horkster" Reply-To: "Horkster" Date: Mon, 3 Jan 100 10:36:35 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, mrider@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Scary... ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Leon Begeman Reply-To: mrider@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 06:19:35 -0800 (PST) >Which of the features of the bike do you think are bad >ideas? The worst feature was chain drive. :) Horkster -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Concours - His - BugSlayer II - VA Plate: BGSLYR 1999 Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi - VA Plate: GPNEHI "I started riding away from home in order to feel the sweet sensation of missing it at the same time I love leaving it." - Melissa Holbrook Pierson "The Perfect Vehicle" -- From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 3 13:18:03 2000 Reply-To: From: "Jim Maier" To: Subject: Info on NYC/ Motorcycle Show Trip Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 13:18:33 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: High X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-SLUIDL: BF8E0142-C06E11D3-ACCF0010-4B138231 Can someone forward the information on how to sign up for the NYC Motorcycle Show bus trip to me? Also, are there any cruiser types on this e-mail list, or is it primarily for sportbike/racing types? Thanx for the info! JM Jim Maier maier@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 3 14:14:25 2000 Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2000 14:12:35 -0500 From: Nelson Fernandez Organization: Production Technology, Inc. X-Accept-Language: en To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: SV Question Danny (Thompson) and I are talking about getting together this weekend to rejet his SV and was wondering if anyone out there knows what size jets they are putting in the stage one kits for the 99 SV? Sure would save us a lot of trial and error if we had a starting point. Thanks Nelson -- Nelson Fernandez Network Administrator Production Technology, Inc. 2231 Crystal Drive Suite 815 Arlington, VA 22202 Phone 703.271.9055 Fax 703.271.9059 www. http://www.pti.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 3 14:52:09 2000 From: "Danny Thompson" To: Subject: NYC Motorcycle Show Trip Update Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 14:51:58 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Just got a note from Anita, we need more people to got to NY. Come on guys, last years trip was great and I know this year will be good also. A thought... my wife and I and some friends that are going are planning on attending an afternoon Broadway play (James Joyce's "The Dead"). They start at 2:00 and you can usually get good seats for ~$25.00 if you plan ahead a bit. Let's fill the bus up. People always bring good videos and Anita does a bang up job of planning. (See below for more information) Danny '99 VFR '99 SV >From Anita Lauro: NYC Motorcycle Show Trip!! Okay, the deposit has been put down on the bus, and all systems are go. I'm ready to start collecting money! Here are the details:? ? WHAT: International Motorcycle Show, Jacob Javitts Convention Center, NY, NY.? WHEN: Saturday, February 5th, 2000.? TIME: Depart Washington DC at 7:30 AM, return approximately 12 midnight.? HOW: Travel in style in a luxury "motorcoach" complete with restroom and VCR/TV's.? COST: $45.00 per person. This includes round-trip bus transportation, gratuity for the driver and admission to the show. Donuts, sodas and snacks will also be provided.? EXTRAS: The planned departure time has been moved up 30 minutes so we can make a 12:30 pm departure of the Circle Line Tour. This is a really fun sightseeing tour around Manhattan Island. It is a great way to see the sights (including the Statue of Liberty), and is $22 for a 3-hour trip. This will be completely optional, and you will buy your own ticket at the departure pier (which is only a few blocks from the convention center).? PAYMENT: Send your payment (personal check, please) to: Anita Lauro, 227 Greenfield Court, Sterling, VA 20164. I will not deposit the checks until I have at least 30 people going. Please put your email address on your check so I can keep you apprised of our progress.? DEADLINE: I must receive payment by Friday, January 7th, 2000. I will be ordering the show tickets then, and if your payment is received after that date you will need to wait in line at the convention center to buy your own ticket. Take it from me, those lines are very long! Also, so far I have gotten a lot of responses, so it is very possible we will fill up the bus this year! Get your payments in early to reserve your spot!? For more info on the Circle Line you can check out:? {HYPERLINK "http://www.circleline.com"}http://www.circleline.com? For more info on the motorcycle show:? {HYPERLINK "http://www.motorcycleshows.com"}http://www.motorcycleshows.com? And the bus line:? {HYPERLINK "http://www.nationalcoachinc.com"}http://www.nationalcoachinc.com? ? Any questions, please feel free to email me at alauro@XXXXXX.? ? Thanks, and hope to see you all in February!? Anita ? From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 3 15:08:50 2000 From: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" To: "'Danny Thompson'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: NYC Motorcycle Show Trip Update Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 15:08:17 -0500 Anita probably could have gotten more people to go if she had planned Phila instead of NYC. NYC is quite a hike for a day trip even if it is on a bus. Just a thought Glenn -----Original Message----- >Just got a note from Anita, we need more people to got to NY. Come on guys, >last years trip was great and I know this year will be good also. A >thought... my wife and I and some friends that are going are planning on >attending an afternoon Broadway play (James Joyce's "The Dead"). They start >at 2:00 and you can usually get good seats for ~$25.00 if you plan ahead a >bit. Let's fill the bus up. People always bring good videos and Anita does a >bang up job of planning. (See below for more information) From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 3 15:33:55 2000 From: "Danny Thompson" To: Subject: Re: NYC Motorcycle Show Trip Update Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 15:33:51 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Glenn, et al. The thing about the NY tirp is that it offers other things more than just the show. The Javits Center in right on the island in the middle of everything with lots of tourist type things to do. I don't know about the Philly show as far as other options. Plus since it went so well last year (I didn't think it was that bad even for just the day) I think it made sense to plan it again. Danny '99 VFR '99 SV ----- Original Message ----- From: Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM To: 'Danny Thompson' ; Sent: Monday, January 03, 2000 3:08 PM Subject: RE: NYC Motorcycle Show Trip Update > Anita probably could have gotten more people to go if she had planned Phila > instead of NYC. NYC is quite a hike for a day trip even if it is on a bus. > > Just a thought > > Glenn > > -----Original Message----- > > > >Just got a note from Anita, we need more people to got to NY. Come on guys, > >last years trip was great and I know this year will be good also. A > >thought... my wife and I and some friends that are going are planning on > >attending an afternoon Broadway play (James Joyce's "The Dead"). They start > >at 2:00 and you can usually get good seats for ~$25.00 if you plan ahead a > >bit. Let's fill the bus up. People always bring good videos and Anita does > a > >bang up job of planning. (See below for more information) > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 3 16:56:26 2000 Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 13:56:22 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Cruiser types? To: maier@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Jim Maier wrote: > Also, are there any cruiser types on this e-mail > list, or is it primarily > for sportbike/racing types? Once in a while there are, but they just can't seem to stay lurking, when they start talking about riding with guns or without helmets, we run them off. :-) Leon. Ninja 250, member NRA and AMA. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 3 17:27:01 2000 Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 17:22:14 -0500 (EST) From: Tansey To: Leon Begeman cc: maier@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Cruiser types? On Mon, 3 Jan 2000, Leon Begeman wrote: > --- Jim Maier wrote: > > Also, are there any cruiser types on this e-mail > > list, or is it primarily > > for sportbike/racing types? > > Once in a while there are, but they just can't seem to > stay lurking, when they start talking about riding > with guns or without helmets, we run them off. :-) > > Leon. > Ninja 250, member NRA and AMA. Feh! I'm still here. Shannon Virago 535, member of neither (yet) From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 3 18:31:52 2000 Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 15:31:39 -0800 (PST) From: Le Park Subject: Leathers To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I'm looking to get some leathers. I do mostly street riding, but would like to do 1 or 2 track days a year. From what I know most tracks require a full suit or if it's a 2 piece the top and bottom must zip together all the way around the waist. I think the best bet would be a 2 piece leather suit which zips together all the way around the waist and has ventilation. The cheapest suit I have found which has all the features I want is the AGV Sport II 2 piece suit. I can wear the top for casual street riding along with kevlar jeans, while using the bottom for more aggressive street riding or track days. What are people's opinions? Is there a better suit/jacket for all around riding and an occasional track day? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 3 18:47:41 2000 From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 18:47:07 EST Subject: Re: Cruiser types? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I'm one of the few cruiser types lurking on the list. Haven't been reading all the posts lately, so I missed any references to cruisers in the past few weeks. I'm not the gun-toting, helmet-hating type of cruiser rider though! =8^O Rob VanSlyke 83 Shadow 750 "Swamp Thing" From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 3 19:15:25 2000 Reply-To: From: "Jim Maier" To: Subject: RE: cruiser types Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 19:18:24 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: High X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-SLUIDL: BF8E0590-C06E11D3-ACCF0010-4B138231 Hey there! Thanx for all the replies to my inquiry about the motorcycle show. And for a little background on me: I am in the process of relocating from Austin, TX to Arlington, VA - so I suppose I ride in Texas right now, but that will change just as soon as my belongings (including my motorcycle) get shipped up this way. (I am commuting between Austin and Arlington at present). I ride a 1997 Suzuki Intruder 1400 as much as time, weather, and career permit (approx 14K miles since I bought it in Dec 1997 - not nearly enough!). Am an AMA member. Not an NRA member - disagree with extremists on both side of the whole gun control argument, but am very open minded (amazing, I know, for a recent Texan). Subscribe to the philosophy that government is necessary, although its implementation could use some serious adjustments - the alternatives to government are wholly unappealing. I hate helmet laws, but acknowledge the wisdom of wearing a helmet, even if I don't much of the time. (What are the VA, MD, DC laws about helmets? Any flak jacket laws in DC? ;-} ) Have taken both MSF courses, and will be looking to take the beginning course again just for a refresher. Stats: 6'3" Tall 195 pounds Strawberry blond hair, blue eyes. Undergraduate degree from Washington University in St. Louis MBA from the University of Texas at Austin Work for an internet startup in Arlington. Have Harley envy for some reason. So now you know about as much about me as I do. Am planning on making the motorcycle show trip to NYC if I can get my check in before Jan 7th. Look forward to meeting, greeting, and riding. Take care! JM Jim Maier maier@XXXXXX > -----Original Message----- > From: taw [mailto:t-a-w@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, January 03, 2000 5:40 PM > To: maier@XXXXXX > Subject: cruiser types > > > HI Jim, > I ride a cruiser. Mostly the forum is for sport riders but I > occasionally learn something useful. What do you ride and where? > Tom > > --- Jim Maier wrote: > > Also, are there any cruiser types on this e-mail > > list, or is it primarily > > for sportbike/racing types? > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://messenger.yahoo.com > > dc-cycles@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 3 19:26:00 2000 Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2000 19:16:33 -0500 From: Bill Huson To: NJitzul@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Cruiser types? I reckon I'm a sort of a cruiser type. Definition being the relitively upright seated position and feetsies forward of *nuetral*, whereas a sportbike has feetsies rearward of nuetral and a fuel tank kissing rider position. Always wear a Snell 95 helmet, never owned a gun, but I do have a big-ass K-Bar knife I use for a camp axe. Bill NJitzul@XXXXXX wrote: > > > I'm one of the few cruiser types lurking on the list. Haven't been reading > all the posts lately, so I missed any references to cruisers in the past few > weeks. I'm not the gun-toting, helmet-hating type of cruiser rider though! > =8^O > > Rob VanSlyke > 83 Shadow 750 "Swamp Thing" From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 3 19:30:30 2000 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 19:29:50 EST Subject: Re: Info on NYC/ Motorcycle Show Trip To: maier@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 1/3/2000 1:22:17 PM Eastern Standard Time, maier@XXXXXX writes: << Can someone forward the information on how to sign up for the NYC Motorcycle Show bus trip to me? Also, are there any cruiser types on this e-mail list, or is it primarily for sportbike/racing types? Thanx for the info! JM >> Here you go. Anita's getting worried. She only has twelve signed up so far. Okay, the deposit has been put down on the bus, and all systems are go. I'm ready to start collecting money! Here are the details: WHAT: International Motorcycle Show, Jacob Javitts Convention Center, NY, NY. WHEN: Saturday, February 5th, 2000. TIME: Depart Washington DC at 7:30 AM, return approximately 12 midnight. HOW: Travel in style in a luxury "motorcoach" complete with restroom and VCR/TV's. COST: $45.00 per person. This includes round-trip bus transportation, gratuity for the driver and admission to the show. Donuts, sodas and snacks will also be provided. EXTRAS: The planned departure time has been moved up 30 minutes so we can make a 12:30 pm departure of the Circle Line Tour. This is a really fun sightseeing tour around Manhattan Island. It is a great way to see the sights (including the Statue of Liberty), and is $22 for a 3-hour trip. This will be completely optional, and you will buy your own ticket at the departure pier (which is only a few blocks from the convention center). PAYMENT: Send your payment (personal check, please) to: Anita Lauro, 227 Greenfield Court, Sterling, VA 20164. I will not deposit the checks until I have at least 30 people going. Please put your email address on your check so I can keep you apprised of the latest developments. DEADLINE: I must receive payment by Friday, January 7th, 2000. I will be ordering the show tickets then, and if your payment is received after that date you will need to wait in line at the convention center to buy your own ticket. Take it from me, those lines are very long! Also, so far I have gotten a lot of responses, so it is very possible we will fill up the bus this year! Get your payments in early to reserve your spot! For more info on the Circle Line you can check out: http://www.circleline.com For more info on the motorcycle show: http://www.motorcycleshows.com And the bus line: http://www.nationalcoachinc.com Any questions, please feel free to email me! Thanks, and hope to see you all in February! Anita PS - Please feel free to pass this along to anyone you think might be interested! Coworkers, spouses, significant others, relatives, any and all are welcome! Scooter From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 3 19:35:53 2000 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 19:35:14 EST Subject: Re: Leathers To: l_park@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Check out Colleen's site at www.leatherexchange.com. She's a "fellow" lister who buys and sells new and used leathers. And, she's close enough, and nice enough, to allow you to go to her house to try on/see something in person. Scooter In a message dated 1/3/2000 6:39:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, l_park@XXXXXX writes: << I'm looking to get some leathers. I do mostly street riding, but would like to do 1 or 2 track days a year. >> From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 3 19:39:12 2000 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 19:38:32 EST Subject: Re: cruiser types To: maier@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Welcome to the list and the area. And yes, helmets are required equipment here although flak jackets are not. Unless you plan on riding in a certain couple blocks in SE. ;-) Scooter In a message dated 1/3/2000 7:19:27 PM Eastern Standard Time, maier@XXXXXX writes: << I hate helmet laws, but acknowledge the wisdom of wearing a helmet, even if I don't much of the time. (What are the VA, MD, DC laws about helmets? Any flak jacket laws in DC? ;-} ) >> From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 3 20:08:47 2000 From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 20:08:04 EST Subject: Re: Cruiser types? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 1/3/00 5:00:25 PM Eastern Standard Time, mriderleon@XXXXXX writes: > > Also, are there any cruiser types on this e-mail > > list, or is it primarily > > for sportbike/racing types? I'm defiantly the cruiser type... rode my FXDL to work today in this wonderful weather, couldn't think of a better way to get there... Ok, so maybe riding the Ducati would be just as good.... but the Harley won the coin toss this morning :) There are all types on the list including some people who will ride just about anything on two wheels, as is defiantly the case when it comes to myself. - Brian From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 3 20:13:31 2000 From: McKeithen@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 20:12:16 EST Subject: Philadelphia MC show To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I plan on going to the Philly show because it is a bit closer and I have place to stay just across the river in Wilmington. Any who wish to join me for the ride up are welcome. And since there is plenty of floor space you are welcome to throw a sleeping bag on the floor of my wife's one bedroom apartment . Iwould head up Saturday Am, spend the day a the show, spend the night, and head home Sun. All this is dependent on semi-decent weather. I don't do snow or freezing rain. Bob From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 3 20:16:15 2000 From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 20:15:34 EST Subject: Re: cruiser types To: maier@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Welcome to the list and the area! A flak vest isn't required in DC as long as you're quick on the throttle. ;) Helmets are required in DC, MD, and VA though. Rob From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 3 21:01:44 2000 From: JThorne21@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 21:01:08 EST Subject: ATTN Jonathon Broga To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, sv650@XXXXXX --part1_0.72964290.25a2ae64_boundary Hey, I will take those leathers. Drop me a line at JThorne21@XXXXXX please..... --part1_0.72964290.25a2ae64_boundary Content-Disposition: inline From: JThorne21@XXXXXX Full-name: JThorne21 Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 17:37:21 EST Subject: Used leathers. To: SABMAG@XXXXXX In a message dated 1/3/00 1:31:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, Carl.Custer@XXXXXX writes: << FWIW, $150 looks like a bargain for scuffed leathers. Subject: AGV Leathers for Sale To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, sv650@XXXXXX Any new racers - Have you bought leathers yet? I have only raced one season in mine and I am selling them cheap. They are size 46 AGV Rage in white red and black. Let me know if you or anyone you know is looking for leathers. I only went down once in them, a graceful lowside in T6 at Summit, no structural damage to suit, but some cosmetic damage on the ass from the slide. Doesn't effect protection at all. Selling for $150 plus shipping if not local. (DC Area) Jonathan Broga JEM Racing '99 SV650X - WERA Expert #502 Sponsored by: http://www.speed-werks.com http://www.centurypool.com >> OHOHOH OH OH OH !!!!!!! I need em!!!! How do I get in touch with the guy????????? --part1_0.72964290.25a2ae64_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 3 22:02:50 2000 From: MotorLE@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 22:02:11 EST Subject: Re: Re: Leathers To: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX As usual, thanks Scooter. Something is sporadically wrong with my dot com address, so any leather lookers should use the old address, which is: http://members.aol.com/motorle Colleen >Check out Colleen's site at www.leatherexchange.com. She's a "fellow" lister >who buys and sells new and used leathers. And, she's close enough, and nice >enough, to allow you to go to her house to try on/see something in person. From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 4 02:12:20 2000 From: "mobacc" To: "Dc Cycles" Subject: Re: Cruiser types? Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 02:11:27 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01BF5659.020F52E0 >From the digest******** Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 17:22:14 -0500 (EST) From: Tansey Subject: Re: Cruiser types? On Mon, 3 Jan 2000, Leon Begeman wrote: > --- Jim Maier wrote: > > Also, are there any cruiser types on this e-mail > > list, or is it primarily > > for sportbike/racing types? > > Once in a while there are, but they just can't seem to > stay lurking, when they start talking about riding > with guns or without helmets, we run them off. :-) > > Leon. > Ninja 250, member NRA and AMA. Feh! I'm still here. Shannon Virago 535, member of neither (yet) ******** Sans onboard gun, never without helmet, I dance not run -- and with thoughts on the last month of cruiser riding: Life resources saved shopping on a bike vice cage -- Parking in little spaces close to destination -- 3 hrs Traffic avoidance through appropriate lane creation (some might = call it filtering) -- 3 hrs Various fees avoided (parking) -- probably $25=20 Salesperson attention to biker (carrying helmet) -- 1 hr Bad weather inconvenience -- rescheduled a couple of events All told -- MC travel paid for Millenium celebration (admittedly not = Trump caliber). =20 Bill S. / DC=20 99 VN750 "Cruiser"? Better "Stealth Shopper". =20 Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01BF5659.020F52E0

From the digest********

Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 17:22:14 -0500 = (EST)
From:=20 Tansey <tansey@XXXXXX>=
Subject:=20 Re: Cruiser types?

On Mon, 3 Jan 2000, Leon Begeman = wrote:

>=20 --- Jim Maier <maier@XXXXXX>=20 wrote:
> > Also, are there any cruiser types on this = e-mail
>=20 > list, or is it primarily
> > for sportbike/racing=20 types?
>
> Once in a while there are, but they just can't = seem=20 to
> stay lurking, when they start talking about riding
> = with guns=20 or without helmets, we run them off. :-)
>
> = Leon.
>=20 Ninja 250, member NRA and AMA.

Feh! I'm still=20 here.

Shannon
Virago 535, member of neither (yet)

********

Sans onboard gun, never without helmet, = I dance not=20 run --

and with thoughts on the last month of = cruiser=20 riding:

Life resources saved = shopping on=20 a bike vice cage --

Parking=20 in little spaces close to destination -- 3 hrs

Traffic=20 avoidance through appropriate lane creation (some might call it = filtering) -- 3=20 hrs

= Various fees=20 avoided (parking) -- probably $25

Salesperson = attention to=20 biker (carrying helmet) -- 1 hr

Bad = weather=20 inconvenience -- rescheduled a couple of events

All told -- MC = travel paid for=20 Millenium celebration (admittedly not Trump caliber). =

Bill S. / DC

99 VN750 "Cruiser"? Better = "Stealth=20 Shopper".
Join the AMA. Help protect my riding=20 fun.

------=_NextPart_000_002A_01BF5659.020F52E0-- From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 4 06:28:15 2000 From: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" To: maier@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Cruiser types? Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 06:27:45 -0500 I ride a cruiser, well every once and a while. Glenn 84 V30 Magna -----Original Message----- > Also, are there any cruiser types on this e-mail > list, or is it primarily > for sportbike/racing types? From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 4 06:56:33 2000 From: rcrishoc@XXXXXX X-Lotus-FromDomain: IBMUS To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 06:56:17 -0500 Subject: cruisin'... on a Sunday afternoon Content-Disposition: inline Jim wrote... >are there any cruiser types on this e-mail list, or is it primarily >for sportbike/racing types? Some of us ride retro-naked-quasi-commuter-sub-sport-non-tourers, sometimes referred to as "standards." ;) Rich '78 Triumph Bonneville '99 Enfield Bullet http://users.starpower.net/eboc/ Sterling, VA From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 4 07:35:09 2000 From: knapik@XXXXXX X-Lotus-FromDomain: IBMUS To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 07:34:44 -0500 Subject: Re.: Curiser types Content-Disposition: inline Suspend lurk mode: Yeah, no guns and lots of helmets........ '83 Honda CX650C Re-engage lurk mode: Regards, Tom Knapik E-mail: knapik@XXXXXX Phone: (301) 803-2417, tie-262-2417 From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 4 08:13:44 2000 From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCy'" Cc: "'l_park@XXXXXX'" Subject: Leathers Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 08:12:57 -0500 Le Park said, "I'm looking to get some leathers. I do mostly street riding, but would like to do 1 or 2 track days a year." Several folks on the SabMag list have been happy with: http://www.linkamerica.com/mc.html After the first few individuals raved about the deals, a bunch did a group purchase. Me? I'm still happy with my 'Stitch. Carl in Bethesda Here's one review: - Leather Racing Suit As promised in a previous post, here's a review of my new leather racing suit. I bought the suit on eBay (Dutch Auction, $250) but it's also available on the LinkAmerica site posted by RW ($185 - $229 depending on volume): http://www.linkamerica.com/3_racing_leather.html (for a bigger picture, visit http://http://cgi3.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewListedItems&userid=tale xx and click the item # w/ the title "Motorcycle Racing Leathers suit 7~stylesDUTCH" For those too lazy to check it out, I quote the following description: "top quality very thick 1.3 mm drum dyed pre-curved racing leather construction, fortified stitching, knee/shoulder/elbow armor (all removable and replaceable) ... racing style collar and side ventilation perforations". I chose the White/Blue/Black 2-pc suit. The predominantly white color is cooler and improves visibility. And, IMHO, it looks bitchin' and is figure flattering to boot! A female friend opined "It gives you massive shoulders and a tiny butt" - worth $250 just for that :-). After only a few hundred miles, I can't speak for it's long term durability, but I haven't discovered any production flaws so far (it *was* made in Pakistan, but whether by myopic females as DR speculated, I can't say). The jacket and pants are fully lined with a polyester mesh. No quilted material or zip out linings, etc.; it's not made for cold weather, however, its been comfortable down to 60 F. with just a t-shirt and short-sleeved dress shirt on under it. I haven't noticed much benefit from the perforations under the arms - in normal riding position, the only time I feel a noticeable breeze there is when I wave at an oncoming biker. For the pants, the back of the waist and the legs above the knees have stretch panels. There's only one small pocket inside the jacket and none in the pants (it ain't no 'stitch! - I guess racers don't need to carry much). The jacket fits snugly - no room for multiple layers under it, 'tho I'd guess there's room for an electric vest over a thin turtleneck or summat - when it gets colder, I intend to transfer the armor to my Bad-Ass black leather jacket which should look OK w/ the leather pants. Of course, you could order the next size larger suit, but bear in mind that, although 2-pc., the pants and jacket are sold as a unit (something about the lengths of the zippers connecting the 2 pieces), so you'd get bigger pants, too. The sizing does not favor slimmer than average people (my pants are rather large in the waist; fortunately, zipping them to the jacket will prevent me from ever becoming a bare-assed biker dude ), nor, I suspect, does it favor significantly larger than average body builds. All in all, I'm quite pleased and feel much better protected ('tho I hope never to put it to the crash test). BEADED SEAT PAD The stock seat on Pegasus is pretty comfortable for an hour or so; after that, numb butt starts to set in big time. Cheap bar steward that I am, I decided to try one of those wooden beaded seat pads - after all; half-a-million NYC cabbies can't be all wrong. The pads are made by Cycle Crafts (800) 770-2689 in IN (they also make sheepskin covers). They used to have a web site, but they're no longer handling mail order directly. They are being distributed by Morton's BMW in Spotsylvania, VA (540) 891-9844. $14.95 + $6 S&H. I've tried my pad both with the leathers and just jeans and been impressed so far, although I haven't tried it for Iron Butt distance yet (100 miles is the farthest). It allows some air circulation so could prove cooler in summer; in the rain, it might even help eliminate the "damp crotch" syndrome which has been discussed recently. Pad doesn't come in black; I bought a "natural" one but plan to spray paint it. From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 4 10:01:59 2000 From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2000 09:25:20 -0500 Subject: RE: Scary... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMERICAS-US@INTL Pretty badly, judging from the wheelbase. Chris From: Jason Picton Yeah, but how well does it corner. ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 4 10:53:51 2000 From: "Jordan, Michael" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: cruisin'... on a Sunday afternoon Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 07:53:43 -0800 >Some of us ride retro-naked-quasi-commuter-sub-sport-non-tourers, sometimes >referred to as "standards." I have one of those (almost. But you gotta remove the "non" before tourer. Michael J. '93 GSX 1100G '86 SRX-6 From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 4 11:03:30 2000 Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 11:03:20 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: cruisin'... on a Sunday afternoon Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative On Tue, 4 Jan 2000 rcrishoc@XXXXXX wrote: > Some of us ride retro-naked-quasi-commuter-sub-sport-non-tourers, > sometimes referred to as "standards." Long live the standard! If they don't make one you like, make your own... Honda didn't make quite what I wanted and a crashed bike showed up for cheap so I made a naked VTR. Someday I'll actually finish making it look good. For now, I'll just ride it... Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://dirtrider.net/planetklx/) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 4 11:07:40 2000 Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 08:07:25 -0800 (PST) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: North West Passage Rally (fwd) Just in case someone wants to go on a long ride to go on a long ride. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2000 16:47:59 PST From: david donnelly To: hsta@XXXXXX, vfr@XXXXXX Subject: North West Passage Rally For those interested in endurance riding as well, this is the URL to the NW Passage Rally, a 3 day event, being held for the first time this year. http://www.oz.net/~zldrider/northwestpassage/NEWMain.htm ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------ The VF/VFR mailing list--see http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~john/vfr-list/ for subscribe/unsubscribe, policy and archive information. From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 4 13:42:44 2000 Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 10:42:40 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Philadelphia MC show To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I also plan to attend the Philly show. I'll be going up on Saturday, unless something changes, I'll be coming back on Saturday evening. Leon. --- McKeithen@XXXXXX wrote: > I plan on going to the Philly show because it is a > bit closer and I have > place to stay just across the river in Wilmington. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 4 19:45:35 2000 X-Apparently-From: From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: RE: dc-cycles digest for 01/04/00 Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 17:48:34 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Must be something with the name... I'll ride whatever I can manage to get a leg over (er.. umm.. motorcycle wise. heh, Collin?) - Been on cruisers (Brians HD down there), standards, sport tourers, and full-on racebikes.. As long as it goes, has 2 wheels, and I'm in control.. it's for me. Brian McCoy - MMI Phoenix (what the hell am I STILL doing on DC-Cyles.. heh.. :) > Ok, so maybe riding the Ducati would be just as good.... but the > Harley won > the coin toss this morning :) > > There are all types on the list including some people who will ride just > about anything on two wheels, as is defiantly the case when it comes to > myself. > > - Brian __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 5 09:35:15 2000 Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 09:35:09 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: dc-cycles digest for 01/04/00 Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative On Tue, 4 Jan 2000, Brian McCoy wrote: > As long as it goes, has 2 wheels, and I'm in control.. it's for me. I'm having trouble buying your last requirement ("in control")... :) Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://dirtrider.net/planetklx/) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 5 10:40:15 2000 From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCy'" Cc: "'maier@XXXXXX'" Subject: cruiser types Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 10:39:27 -0500 Jim Maier posted, "I am in the process of relocating from Austin, TX to Arlington, VA . . ." Mucho sympathy; prepare yourself for cultural shock. "Undergraduate degree from Washington University in St. Louis" Oh, you've lived outside of Texas so are familiar with foreign cultures. ;^) Excellent school. "Have Harley envy for some reason." Musta been the TU degree :^> Cheap advice from another Texan: BBQ: folks here think it's supposed to be made with pig; some is good tho. But, when you need a fix: The Rib Pit (14th & Randolph NW) has excellent smoked brisket (take out only) as does O'Brien's in Gaithersburg. Most of the others bake meat in an oven (RW&B) or stew it in a sauce (Dixie) and claim it's BBQ. 8^p Traffic: Pretend you're visiting Houston; then it's a piece of cake. Also, no one has thrown bottles or cinder blocks from their pick up (but I don't ride a lot in rural VA) "1997 Suzuki Intruder 1400" Others can advise you on Coleman PS service. "gun control" Shotguns are required for squirrel hunting ; haven't fired a rifle since arriving in 1972 . The deer are bigger . . . and close to the local roads. "approx 14K miles since I bought it in Dec 1997" Probably more to see close by up here: The BRP & Skyway are cruiser friendly (~100 mi.); NC portions (~300 mi.) are great. Deal's Gap, (~500 mi.) everybody should go at least once. Warm up on the BRP, chill on I 81 or Rt. 29 back. West Virginia (~100 mi.), thanks to geology and Senator Byrd, has great roads. SE Ohio, Hocking Hills, (~300 mi.) is amazing. I-68 or Rt. 50 twixt here and there are nice cruising roads. NY finger lakes (~300 mi.) Myrtle Beach, SC (~450 mi.) has a cruiser fest in the spring. " . . .wearing a helmet . . ." Merryland was the last hold out around here. Ohio, IIRC, is the closest non-helmet state. Pennsy? Make the best of it: Get a quite helmet, install earphones, tune in Eddy Stubbs (Classic Honky Tonk) and Jerry Gray (Classic Western) on Sattidy afternoons noon to 6:00; WAMU 88.5. Carl S. Custer (TAMC '62) Bethesda, MD Commuting into your nation's capital since 1981 through rain, sun, and snow, but no ice! '85 VF700S "Rocin-ahorito" '80 GS450E "Caballoante"; 1997 AeroStich Roadcrafter "Fred the Red"; FOM #3, AMA 676120; FOO/FOP; OGM #008; FMOENMC #0002 From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 5 11:44:25 2000 X-Originating-IP: [208.197.3.43] From: "Donnie Biser" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: First gear products Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 08:43:52 PST Hello all, I've decided that the jean/thermal combo won't be adequate for winter riding, and I'm considering buying something a little warmer. Anyone have experience with first gears products? My local shop has a one piece riding suit (Sort of like a snowmobile suit) for around $160. Any thoughts? TIA Donnie rf600 ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 5 11:54:08 2000 From: Jeannette.Zell@XXXXXX X-Lotus-FromDomain: SPPT To: "Donnie Biser" cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 11:46:13 -0500 Subject: Re: First gear products Content-Disposition: inline I love First Gear and would recommend it highly. I've worn their jackets and leather pants and they are very warm and very durable. - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 "Donnie Biser" on 01/05/2000 11:43:52 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: Subject: First gear products Hello all, I've decided that the jean/thermal combo won't be adequate for winter riding, and I'm considering buying something a little warmer. Anyone have experience with first gears products? My local shop has a one piece riding suit (Sort of like a snowmobile suit) for around $160. Any thoughts? TIA Donnie rf600 ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 5 12:10:27 2000 Content-return: allowed Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 12:09:20 -0500 From: "Horstman, Tracy L" Subject: RE: First gear products To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I'm using the Kilomanjaro First Gear jacket (fleece liner not zipped in) with a Gerbing liner plus First Gear rain pants over my jeans - no thermals. Let's just say I'm still waiting for it to get cold enough to turn on my jacket. I think I've had it on twice so far and that was mostly because fog is cold. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 5 12:18:53 2000 X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 12:18:15 -0500 To: "Donnie Biser" From: Troutman Subject: Re: First gear products Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX At 11:43 AM 1/5/00 , Donnie Biser wrote: > >Hello all, >I've decided that the jean/thermal combo won't be adequate for winter >riding, and I'm considering buying something a little warmer. >Anyone have experience with first gears products? >My local shop has a one piece riding suit (Sort of like a snowmobile suit) >for around $160. >Any thoughts? I have the Kenya FG Jacket $240 (short one - like Kilimanjaro) and recently picked up the bib style FG pants ($100) and I love them both. Jacket is cool in the summer (up to the high 90s) and I am warm well into the high teens. Can't wear the pants in the summer though...they are insulated. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 Eat right. Stay fit. Die anyway. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 5 12:21:34 2000 From: McKeithen@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 12:20:59 EST Subject: Phila MC show info To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX WWW.motorcycleshows.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 5 13:38:49 2000 X-Originating-IP: [208.197.3.43] From: "Donnie Biser" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Thanks! Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 10:38:16 PST Looks like I'll be doing some shopping tonight, and be a heck of a lot warmer tomorrow! Thanks again, Donnie rf600 ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 5 14:50:54 2000 Content-return: allowed Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 14:49:48 -0500 From: "Horstman, Tracy L" Subject: RE: First gear products To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX My only complaint on the jacket is that it steals. I have $10 in a pocket and I can't find it. And I once lost my checkbook in one of the pockets - took a week to find it. Soooo many pockets. :) From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 5 15:24:55 2000 From: FGrefe@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 15:24:16 EST Subject: Re: First gear products To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 1/5/00 11:48:29 AM Eastern Standard Time, dbiserjr@XXXXXX writes: > Anyone have experience with first gears products? > My local shop has a one piece riding suit (Sort of like a snowmobile suit) > for around $160. > Any thoughts? The new Rider magazine has a comparison between about 15 riding suits. Stop by your local magazine library (Barnes & Noble) and take a look. Fred Grefe From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 5 16:16:04 2000 X-Originating-IP: [204.193.255.42] From: "Doug Allis" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: First gear products Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 13:15:31 PST I have a Firstgear 2 piece Kilmanjaro jacket and Firstgear pants. I ride very day. Pants: Elastic in pants weakened prety quickly. Its either the heat or my wide 36 inch waist. I had the elastic replaced by a seamstress. Works ok now. Jacket: Lots of pockets, nice and warm. Perhaps too warm for summer. Good reflective stuff on back. Overall its about as functional and well made as you can get at a reasonable price, but I don't think its the best looking and its sort of stiff.... I still prefer leathers for most any day that its not too cold or not raining. >From: "Donnie Biser" >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: First gear products >Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 08:43:52 PST > > >Hello all, >I've decided that the jean/thermal combo won't be adequate for winter >riding, and I'm considering buying something a little warmer. >Anyone have experience with first gears products? >My local shop has a one piece riding suit (Sort of like a snowmobile suit) >for around $160. >Any thoughts? > >TIA >Donnie >rf600 > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 5 17:19:26 2000 Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 17:16:39 -0500 From: JEM Broga Subject: My AGV leathers To: sv650@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_PeKx7s42pNPqm6dfqflutQ) To all who wrote me about the leathers - Sorry I could not respond to all of you - we have a new email server = at work, and I can get mail but for the life me cannot figure out how to = send it (the configurations are goofy) So anyway, I couldn't reply if I = was checking my personal email from work. I have notified the first few = guys who responded, and I assume one of them will be buying it. Thank = you for all the responses. Jonathan Broga JEM Racing '99 SV650X - CCS#500 Sponsored by: http://www.speed-werks.com http://www.centurypool.com --Boundary_(ID_PeKx7s42pNPqm6dfqflutQ)

To all who wrote me about the leathers=20 -

Sorry I could not = respond to all=20 of you - we have a new email server at work, and I can get mail but for = the life=20 me cannot figure out how to send it (the configurations are goofy) So = anyway, I=20 couldn't reply if I was checking my personal email from work. I have = notified=20 the first few guys who responded, and I assume one of them will be = buying it.=20 Thank you for all the responses.

Jonathan Broga
JEM Racing
'99 = SV650X -=20 CCS#500

Sponsored by:
http://www.speed-werks.com
http://www.centurypool.com

--Boundary_(ID_PeKx7s42pNPqm6dfqflutQ)-- From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 5 17:35:48 2000 Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 14:35:44 -0800 (PST) From: Sean Sullivan Subject: Re: Leathers To: Le Park , dc-cycles@XXXXXX I've been happy with my First Gear Stealth jacket and pants as all-around gear, and they zip together if you do the occasional track day (I haven't yet). The jacket has thick leather, soft armor, vents for summer and a great liner with "Thermoneck" collar for winter. The pants have armor but no vents. Make it waterproof with a rain suit. Sean Sullivan --- Le Park wrote: > I'm looking to get some leathers. I do mostly > street riding, but would like to do 1 or 2 track > days > a year. From what I know most tracks require a full > suit or if it's a 2 piece the top and bottom must > zip > together all the way around the waist. I think the > best bet would be a 2 piece leather suit which zips > together all the way around the waist and has > ventilation. The cheapest suit I have found which > has > all the features I want is the AGV Sport II 2 piece > suit. I can wear the top for casual street riding > along with kevlar jeans, while using the bottom for > more aggressive street riding or track days. What > are > people's opinions? Is there a better suit/jacket > for > all around riding and an occasional track day? > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://messenger.yahoo.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 5 17:39:05 2000 From: Cedric Bernescut Reply-To: "bernescut@XXXXXX" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: First gear products Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 17:34:46 -0500 Organization: NCEA I have the First Gear Scout. I've had it for over four years and I wear it year round. Right now I have the liner inside it and I am rarely cold, although I do bundle up with a sweater, too. I wear Motoport pants over my dress pants and only wear the top half of my two piece First gear rainsuit over the Scout as the Motoport pants are as waterproof as I need around here with my short commute. I am very satisfied with the Scout, I once brought home a complete tune up kit in the pockets (oil, filter, plugs, etc.) because I forgot to bring the tank bag :O Cedric 1996 CBR600F3 AMA 663626 Annandale, VA "Brain cells come and brain cells go, but fat cells live forever." Hello all, I've decided that the jean/thermal combo won't be adequate for winter riding, and I'm considering buying something a little warmer. Anyone have experience with first gears products? My local shop has a one piece riding suit (Sort of like a snowmobile suit) for around $160. Any thoughts? TIA Donnie rf600 ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 6 00:10:02 2000 Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 21:09:27 -0800 (PST) From: Ryan McClune Subject: Re: Leathers To: Le Park , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Hi, I'm new to the area, nice to meet you all. I didn't hear anyone mention anything about Dainese leathers. I have had a one peice Dainese suit for just over a year now and love it, just don't expect to do much other then riding in it. It is rather uncomfortable to walk around in. For that reason I was thinking of getting a nice two peice Dainese suit, any comments? Would like something others can see (i.e. not black) and would provide that, oh so much needed, protection when two objects try and occupy the same space at the same time. My experience with First Gear is that it is rather nice stuff but when you hold it up against a Dainese suit you do see a difference in quality and protection. comments? oh. . and btw I ride a '99 YZF R6, was blue and is now red. Anyone interested in some scuffed and cracked blue R6 fairings? --- Le Park wrote: > I'm looking to get some leathers. I do mostly > street riding, but would like to do 1 or 2 track > days > a year. From what I know most tracks require a full > suit or if it's a 2 piece the top and bottom must > zip > together all the way around the waist. I think the > best bet would be a 2 piece leather suit which zips > together all the way around the waist and has > ventilation. The cheapest suit I have found which > has > all the features I want is the AGV Sport II 2 piece > suit. I can wear the top for casual street riding > along with kevlar jeans, while using the bottom for > more aggressive street riding or track days. What > are > people's opinions? Is there a better suit/jacket > for > all around riding and an occasional track day? > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://messenger.yahoo.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 6 09:10:50 2000 From: "Jordan, Michael" To: DC-Cycles Subject: Winter rider Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 06:10:38 -0800 You know you're a winter rider when a patch of sand on the road means traction. From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 6 09:37:57 2000 From: Jeannette.Zell@XXXXXX X-Lotus-FromDomain: SPPT To: Ryan McClune cc: Le Park , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 09:30:37 -0500 Subject: Re: Leathers Content-Disposition: inline My comment is, I WANT ONE! ...but I need the $$$$. I love Dainese. : ) - Jeannette http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 Ryan McClune on 01/06/2000 12:09:27 AM To: Le Park , dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: Subject: Re: Leathers Hi, I'm new to the area, nice to meet you all. I didn't hear anyone mention anything about Dainese leathers. I have had a one peice Dainese suit for just over a year now and love it, just don't expect to do much other then riding in it. It is rather uncomfortable to walk around in. For that reason I was thinking of getting a nice two peice Dainese suit, any comments? Would like something others can see (i.e. not black) and would provide that, oh so much needed, protection when two objects try and occupy the same space at the same time. My experience with First Gear is that it is rather nice stuff but when you hold it up against a Dainese suit you do see a difference in quality and protection. comments? oh. . and btw I ride a '99 YZF R6, was blue and is now red. Anyone interested in some scuffed and cracked blue R6 fairings? --- Le Park wrote: > I'm looking to get some leathers. I do mostly > street riding, but would like to do 1 or 2 track > days > a year. From what I know most tracks require a full > suit or if it's a 2 piece the top and bottom must > zip > together all the way around the waist. I think the > best bet would be a 2 piece leather suit which zips > together all the way around the waist and has > ventilation. The cheapest suit I have found which > has > all the features I want is the AGV Sport II 2 piece > suit. I can wear the top for casual street riding > along with kevlar jeans, while using the bottom for > more aggressive street riding or track days. What > are > people's opinions? Is there a better suit/jacket > for > all around riding and an occasional track day? > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://messenger.yahoo.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 6 10:12:53 2000 X-Sender: nsuesse@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 10:13:07 -0500 To: Ryan McClune From: Ned Suesse Subject: Re: Leathers Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Hi, I'm new to the area, nice to meet you all. > >I didn't hear anyone mention anything about >Dainese leathers. I have had a one peice >Dainese suit for just over a year now and >love it, just don't expect to do much other >then riding in it. It is rather uncomfortable >to walk around in. > >For that reason I was thinking of getting a >nice two peice Dainese suit, any comments? >Would like something others can see (i.e. not >black) and would provide that, oh so much needed, >protection when two objects try and occupy >the same space at the same time. > >My experience with First Gear is that it is >rather nice stuff but when you hold it up >against a Dainese suit you do see a difference >in quality and protection. > >comments? > > >oh. . and btw I ride a '99 YZF R6, was blue >and is now red. Anyone interested in some >scuffed and cracked blue R6 fairings? Hello Ryan- good to meet you. Not to say aerostich again, but my experience with them has been awesome. I think owning a stich for all-weather protection and leathers for nice days makes a great deal of sense- more than owning two pairs of leathers. I have a one piece roadcrafter that I love more with each passing day- because I can wear it over anything, put it on or off in 10 seconds (literally), and it is comfy and dry come rain or shine. The quality is second to none, and they are available in whatever color you want. That said, I want a set of Dainese Leathers to complement it. Ned Suesse 96 CBR 600 F3 94 XR 600 (just got!) From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 6 10:44:56 2000 Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 10:43 -0500 (EST) From: Robert Keiser Subject: Helmetless and First gear products To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX " . . .wearing a helmet . . ." Merryland was the last hold out around here. Ohio, IIRC, is the closest non-helmet state. Pennsy? Don't forget DE. Had the VFR in Dewey last summer and brought an extra bucket...doh! RE: First Gear I've used the First Gear Stealth Jacket and Polartec lined jeans combo for a number of years and have been pretty happy with them; but splurged this year for a 2 pc. Roadcrafter for some water protection and more warmth. YMMV. Rob 1998 VFR800 From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 6 14:27:43 2000 From: "Haring, Seth" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Cap Hillites Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 14:27:07 -0500 Is there anybody on dc-cycles a professional on Cap Hill other than me? I am curious if there's anyone else out there... Seth From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 6 15:58:15 2000 Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 12:58:11 -0800 (PST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Fwd: Leathers for Sale To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Thought maybe someone would be interested... contact them not me.. --- Ryan Chapin wrote: > Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 14:57:20 -0500 > To: marrcmembers@XXXXXX > From: Ryan Chapin > Subject: Leathers for Sale > > Hi Everybody, > > A friend of mine out in Colorado has been trying to sell her leathers > with little luck, so she asked me if I might be able to help her . . > . > > For Sale, Great for getting into racing! > > Fieldsheer Tora Two-Piece, Zip-Together, Leathers: > Practically Brand New, only worn a couple of times, never been down. > Men's size 42/52 > But can be worn by a woman, of course. Just as a guide, I'm 5'6", > 130 pounds and there's some room in there. > The main thing with size is I wouldn't go too much taller than my > height - maybe 1 or 2 inches. > White with Magenta accents. > Armor kit > > Asking $450 and will ship anywhere in the continental U.S. > > To contact me: (Note: It's 2 hours earlier here. And please no > calls after 9:30 p.m. my time.) > Home/eve. phone (970) 385-1886, work/day phone (970) 259-2680 > e-mail: mel_dallas@XXXXXX > Ask for Melissa. > > Ryan Chapin > President > Nuts & Bolts Interactive, Inc. > http://www.nbinteractive.com > 8720 Georgia Avenue Suite #804 > Silver Spring, MD 20910 > ph: 301.589.0296 > fx: 301.589.5782 > ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 6 16:17:03 2000 X-Sender: RMEYER@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 16:03:44 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Bob Meyer Subject: Radar Detector Question Has anyone ever used the Bel 945iM Cordless Motorcycle Radar Detector? Have any comments about it? I think Cycle mag did a test of this last year, but I haven't been able to find the issue. So if anyone has it, and would care to related Cycle's conclusion, I'd appreciate that, too. Thanks. ITW, Bob Meyer '92 ST1100 (Red STag), STOC #1157 ===================================================== People are more violently opposed to fur than leather, because it's safer to pick on rich women than biker gangs. From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 6 17:25:42 2000 From: Jeannette.Zell@XXXXXX X-Lotus-FromDomain: SPPT To: DC-Cycles Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 14:33:20 -0500 Subject: 2nd Annual DC Cycles Superbowl Party!!! Content-Disposition: inline It's official. We'll be holding the 2nd annual DC Cycles Superbowl party at our house in Arlington. We'd like to make this potluck, as I don't cook and Tom doesn't want to - ha ha. We'll have some munchies and drinks, but feel free to bring anything you'd like! Please RSVP to me to let me know you're coming and what you're bringing, if anything! : ) Where: 1220 S. Columbus St. (intersection of S. George Mason Drive & S. Columbus Street in Arlington) When: January 30, 2000 Time: 4:00PM - whenever (game starts at 6, be there early for "kitchen talk!") Directions to follow... We have 2 cats and 2 dogs, so if you're allergic, bring your medication! ; ) Our animals love people! : ) - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 6 19:17:13 2000 X-Apparently-From: From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: RE: 2nd Annual DC Cycles Superbowl Party!!! Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 17:19:30 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Ok, someone take a tape-recorder for me.. :( Oh, and make some rather insinuative comments towards that hot red-head who'll be standing right in the middle of the kitchen.. ;) And Todd... don't barge into the house screaming this year.. ;) Zeus might have better aim and a hell of a lot better grip. Instant pit-bull vascectomy.. Brian McCoy > From: Jeannette.Zell@XXXXXX > Time: 4:00PM - whenever (game starts at 6, be there early for "kitchen > talk!") > - Jeannette > '86 VFR 700 F2 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 6 19:25:50 2000 From: "Thomas and Jeannette" To: , "DC-Cycles" Subject: Re: 2nd Annual DC Cycles Superbowl Party!!! Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 19:30:44 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 I'll be making chili once again as well... a time honored, Zell household, tradition that goes back a few years. I think everyone enjoyed it last year. Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "DC-Cycles" Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2000 2:33 PM Subject: 2nd Annual DC Cycles Superbowl Party!!! > > > It's official. We'll be holding the 2nd annual DC Cycles Superbowl party at our > house in Arlington. > We'd like to make this potluck, as I don't cook and Tom doesn't want to - ha ha. > We'll have some munchies and drinks, but feel free to bring anything you'd like! > > Please RSVP to me to let me know you're coming and what you're bringing, if > anything! : ) > > Where: 1220 S. Columbus St. (intersection of S. George Mason Drive & S. > Columbus Street in Arlington) > When: January 30, 2000 > Time: 4:00PM - whenever (game starts at 6, be there early for "kitchen > talk!") > Directions to follow... > > We have 2 cats and 2 dogs, so if you're allergic, bring your medication! ; ) > Our animals love people! : ) > > - Jeannette > '86 VFR 700 F2 > http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 > > > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 6 20:22:10 2000 Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 17:22:07 -0800 (PST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: Leathers To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Tonights digest was the first I've read in a little over a week, so if I say something someone else already mentioned, forgive me....(also , I missed the original post, so I may be off topic a tad..) Dainese are nice, but I think they are over priced for the level of protection... As a racer, I've seen lots of different brands and several of them stand out as being some of the best ones.... Dainise, Vanson, Syed, Z-custom, and Barnacle Bills seem to be the most common of the "best" ones (I am skipping stuff like Kushitani, which usually are double price from these). Fieldsheer makes some decent models too. If you go with something like AGV, only go with their top of the line.. hteir lower models are pretty much disposable suits.. they will protect you once, but that's about it... I wear a Vanson set but mostly because I got an incredible deal on the set I wear. If I was buying new, it would be Barnacle Bills most likely. He builds custom suits to fit you for about the same as the other companies off the rack prices... (About $800 for one of his suits). and they are top shelf from what I have seen. I've been very happy with my Vansons... Some pretty nasty spills out on the track this past season and they held up great... some scuffs here and there and that is it! Collin ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 6 21:52:39 2000 From: "George Howell" To: "Bob Meyer" , Subject: RE: Radar Detector Question Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 21:47:48 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 One of the car mags compared one or two of the cordless optional radar detectors, and said you had better plug it in. It should be too hard to wire a small socket to the battery on a bike. As far as the 945iM specifically... Don't know. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 7 08:34:38 2000 X-Sender: nsuesse@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 08:35:12 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Ned Suesse Subject: Dual Sport Conversions Hello All, Well, I have done the deed and bought a 1994 XR 600, with the intention of riding it offroad but also eventually setting it up in supermotard style. To do this, of course, I need to get together quite a bit of wiring and so forth. My list of parts is below- I am wondering if anyone has any of this stuff that they want to sell. I am hoping to raid an old bike for much of the electronic components- voltage regulator, flasher relays (and housing), horn, and switchgear. If anyone has a beater that they want to sell some parts off, let me know. Baja Designs makes a kit for $400 that does all this very nicely, but I think I may be able to put it together for quite a bit less on my own. Also, I bought the bike so that I would have a project, so the thought of buying all the parts in one easy transaction isn't too appealing. Parts- looking for all these pieces in some form or another. If anyone has any of this for sale, or has a brilliant way to source it, I would love to know: Switchgear (turn/highbeams/horn) (planning to go to a salvage yard) Horn ditto Front Turn Signals (short stalk type) Rear Turn Signals (either flushmount or short stalks) Brake Light Switch (rear) looking for suggestions Brake Light Switch (front) looking for suggestions (I hear KTM makes a relevant product) Brake Light/License plate light looking for suggestions Mirrors High Beam indicator Rear wheel for street tire Mirrors (acerbis plastic, left and right) Chain guard need it for inspection- plan to take it off immediately thereafter I am also wondering (and this may be a ridiculous question) whether CBR 600 F2 wheels could be persuaded to fit (I have the use of a lathe and a good machinist). I have found some of these wheels cheap, and I am planning to use the bike as a supermotard when I get around to it, so if I could find a way to put these in, it would be great. I already have good rubber in this size, and the wheels are much cheaper than anything off road (I guess they aren't the weak point on the road so there are plenty of wrecked bikes with good wheels about) I can think of many reasons why they would not work, but I thought I would run it up the proverbial flagpole. Thanks in advance, Ned Suesse 94 xr 600r 96 cbr 600 f3 (love those honda 600's...) From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 7 09:35:31 2000 From: Jeannette.Zell@XXXXXX X-Lotus-FromDomain: SPPT To: "Brian McCoy" cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 09:28:11 -0500 Subject: RE: 2nd Annual DC Cycles Superbowl Party!!! Content-Disposition: inline LOL, Brian, Tom and I still talk about that!!! ...Todd walking in the house yelling "SUPERBOWL" at the top of his lungs. I think Zeus was so startled that someone would "dare" do that in his house that he didn't know what to do! LOL - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 "Brian McCoy" on 01/06/2000 07:19:30 PM To: cc: Subject: RE: 2nd Annual DC Cycles Superbowl Party!!! Ok, someone take a tape-recorder for me.. :( Oh, and make some rather insinuative comments towards that hot red-head who'll be standing right in the middle of the kitchen.. ;) And Todd... don't barge into the house screaming this year.. ;) Zeus might have better aim and a hell of a lot better grip. Instant pit-bull vascectomy.. Brian McCoy > From: Jeannette.Zell@XXXXXX > Time: 4:00PM - whenever (game starts at 6, be there early for "kitchen > talk!") > - Jeannette > '86 VFR 700 F2 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 7 10:33:09 2000 From: "Danny Thompson" To: , , Subject: Cal Superbike School at VIR Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 10:33:27 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Who is going to Va. International Raceway for the Cal. Superbike School on May 18th & 19th? Danny '99 VFR '99 SV From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 7 11:22:20 2000 From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2000 11:14:42 -0500 Subject: Unsubscribe Temporarily To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMERICAS-US@INTL If the keeper of the list will please unsubscribe me, I would appreciate it. Today is my last day at my current employer, and the email address will soon be defunct. I will resubscribe next week with the new email address. I think it will be cweaver@XXXXXX, but I won't be sure until next week. Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 7 11:44:16 2000 From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 11:44:04 EST Subject: Yamaha YZ 250 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX :D I went to San Felipe, Mexico with 6 other people for the week of New Year's, we camped on the beach under the stars and brought my friends YZ 250 with us to play with. MAN are those things fun. There's nothin like fishtailing all over the soft sand :D There were some great dirt roads with lots of little bumps or hills in them too ... or you could go into the desert and slalom the bushes out there ... I highly recommend Baja for off-roading. Marcy From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 7 13:04:40 2000 From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2000 13:00:26 -0500 Subject: RE: Unsubscribe Temporarily To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMERICAS-US@INTL Sorry for the bother of the unsub email. It was my assumption that this list was run by a human, and I could kill two birds with one stone - let my friends know my email was changing and unsub from the list at the same time. I'm sorry if I annoyed anyone. Chris ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 7 14:39:49 2000 Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 11:39:08 -0800 (PST) From: Ryan McClune Subject: Re: Cal Superbike School at VIR To: Danny Thompson , sv650@XXXXXX, vfr@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX I was at Leguna Seca for a two day camp last year. Was thinking of flying out to willow springs this year but don't think I will have the money. . so will probably end up at the below. Guess I should figure this out. . classes are probably filling up. Will see if anyone else responds. --- Danny Thompson wrote: > Who is going to Va. International Raceway for the > Cal. Superbike School on > May 18th & 19th? > > Danny > '99 VFR > '99 SV > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 7 15:08:22 2000 Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2000 15:07 -0500 From: "Tom Zell" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Non-Moto... Great Article! Tribute to the United States... This comes from a Canadian newspaper. America: The Good Neighbor. Gordon Sinclair, a Canadian television commentator, gave widespread butonly partial news coverage recently to a remarkable editorial broadcast from Toronto. What follows is the full text of his trenchant remarks as printed in the Congressional Record: "This Canadian thinks it is time to speak up for the Americans as themost generous and possibly the least appreciated people on all the earth. Germany, Japan and, to a lesser extent, Britain and Italy were liftedout of the debris of war by the Americans who poured in billions of dollarsand forgave other billions in debts. None of these countries is today paying even the interest on its remaining debts to the United States. When the franc was in danger of collapsing in 1956, it was the Americanswho propped it up, and their reward was to be insulted and swindled on the streets of Paris. I was there. I saw it. When earthquakes hit distant cities, it is the United States that hurries in to help. This spring, 59 American communities were flattened by tornadoes. Nobody helped. The Marshall Plan and the Truman Policy pumped billions of dollars into discouraged countries. Now newspapers in those countries are writing about the decadent, warmongering Americans. I'd like to see just oneof those countries that is gloating over the erosion of the United States dollar build its own airplane. Does any other country in the world havea plane to equal the Boeing Jumbo Jet, the Lockheed Tri-Star, or the Douglas 10? If so, why don't they fly them? Why do all the International lines except Russia fly American Planes? Why does no other land on earth even consider putting a man or womanon the moon? You talk about Japanese technocracy, and you get radios. You talk about German technocracy, and you get automobiles. You talk about American technocracy, and you find men on the moon - not once, but several times- and safely home again. You talk about scandals, and the Americans put theirs right in the store window for everybody to look at . Even their draft-dodgers are not pursued and hounded. They are here on our streets, and most of them, unlessthey are breaking Canadian laws, are getting American dollars from ma andpa at home to spend here. When the railways of France, Germany and India were breaking down through age, it was the Americans who rebuilt them. When the Pennsylvania Railroad and the New York Central went broke, nobody loaned them an old caboose.Both are still broke. I can name you 5000 times when the Americans raced to the help of other people in trouble. Can you name me even one time when someone else racedto the Americans in trouble? I don't think there was outside help even during the San Francisco earthquake. Our neighbors have faced it alone, andI'm one Canadian who is damned tired of hearing them get kicked around. Theywill come out of this thing with their flag high. And when they do, theyare entitled to thumb their nose at the lands that are gloating over their present troubles. I hope Canada is not one of those." Stand proud, Americans. The above was posted on the F-Body Message Forum (Camaro and Firebird/Trans Am) Tom '86 VFR750 From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 7 16:01:59 2000 From: "Danny Thompson" To: Subject: Fw: NYC Moto Show - The Bus is Full!! Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 16:01:33 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Anita asked that I forward this... Danny '99 VFR '99 SV ----- Original Message ----- From: Anita Lauro To: Danny Thompson Sent: Friday, January 07, 2000 3:39 PM Subject: NYC Moto Show - The Bus is Full!! > Danny, > > If you could forward this to dc-cycles, I would really appreciate it! > > Thanks, > Anita > > --------------------- > Due to the outstanding response (a little last minute, but that's > okay!!), the bus trip to NYC is essentially full. If you haven't already > contacted me to tell me that you are going (and mailed your check) > the best I can do is to take down names in case of any > cancellations. > > Thanks for all the interest!! > Anita > From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 7 16:46:01 2000 From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 16:45:47 EST Subject: new starter To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX anybody have suggestions for a good place to order a starter for my 89 Honda CB-1 (cb400F)? From dc-cycles-request Sat Jan 8 13:05:28 2000 From: McKeithen@XXXXXX Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 13:04:50 EST Subject: BC 1100 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Anybody notice problems with your BC 1100 during the cold weather? Mine won't register speed correctly until the temp get above ,say 35 or so. Bob From dc-cycles-request Sat Jan 8 18:17:40 2000 Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 15:17:35 -0800 (PST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: superbowl party To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX LOL....What Brian said... someone video the kitchen talk, since my redheaded half won't be around to add fuel to the fire.. or whatever other good euphamism fits the talk in there ;-) Anyone else on the list going to the MARRC awards banquet next Saturday??? Brian R, Jeff??? I'll be in town late Friday, attending the banquet, then heading out sometime Sunday morning... Hope I'll see some of ya'll there... Collin ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sat Jan 8 19:14:35 2000 Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2000 19:12:48 -0500 From: "Charles V. Pena" X-Accept-Language: en To: DC Cycles Subject: Dyno tuning Was wondering what a reasonable cost for dyno tuning a bike is? Just the actual tuning, all the stuff (e.g., exhaust, jet kit, etc.) is already installed. I was told $300 by the guys at Fast Lane in Chantilly, VA and wanted to know if that was about right. Thanx! Chuck -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Lagoon/5098 From dc-cycles-request Sat Jan 8 19:45:07 2000 Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2000 19:42:20 -0500 From: JEM Broga Subject: Re: Dyno tuning/prices To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Try calling Steve at SpeedWerks to get another price and see if Fast Lane is reasonable (302)697-7043. Not sure what they charge, but they are good guys. Jonathan Broga JEM Racing '99 SV650X - CCS#500 Sponsored by: http://www.speed-werks.com http://www.centurypool.com > Was wondering what a reasonable cost for dyno tuning a bike is? Just > the actual tuning, all the stuff (e.g., exhaust, jet kit, etc.) is > already installed. I was told $300 by the guys at Fast Lane in > Chantilly, VA and wanted to know if that was about right. Thanx! > > Chuck > > -- > "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai > visit us at http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Lagoon/5098 From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 9 19:47:35 2000 Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 16:47:28 -0800 (PST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: dyno tuning To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Who did you talk to at Fast Lane?? Rick has one bonehead working the counter that always gets things wrong. Maybe he thought you needed a jet kit of some sort too.... In the past, I think their rate was $50/hour on the dyno....not sure if that includes the mechanic doing changes.. obviously some bikes are easier than others...A GSXR is designed for rapid carb/jetting changes, so you can do numberous changes in an hour, whereas a CBR is much mroe difficult. The best thing to do is to go down to their shop and talk with one of the mechanics, or Rick himself. Also, whoever you go to, be sure to take all the spare jets and such that came with your jet kit, otherwise you will end up paying for any jet changes.....(about $5-$8 per jet I believe) Collin ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 9 20:34:09 2000 Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2000 20:32:18 -0500 From: "Charles V. Pena" X-Accept-Language: en To: "Collin T. Fagan" , DC Cycles Subject: Re: dyno tuning Collin et al... Thanks for all your replies and help. I will talk to Rick directly at Fast Lanes to get a good estimate of what it might cost to adjust/tune my m/c ('93 GSXR 750). I have all the spare needles, springs, etc. that came with my jet kit. I am hoping that getting it tuned "right" will be relatively easy and not overly expensive. Chuck "Collin T. Fagan" wrote: > > Who did you talk to at Fast Lane?? Rick has one bonehead working the > counter that always gets things wrong. Maybe he thought you needed a > jet kit of some sort too.... > > In the past, I think their rate was $50/hour on the dyno....not sure if > that includes the mechanic doing changes.. obviously some bikes are > easier than others...A GSXR is designed for rapid carb/jetting changes, > so you can do numberous changes in an hour, whereas a CBR is much mroe > difficult. The best thing to do is to go down to their shop and talk > with one of the mechanics, or Rick himself. > > Also, whoever you go to, be sure to take all the spare jets and such > that came with your jet kit, otherwise you will end up paying for any > jet changes.....(about $5-$8 per jet I believe) > > Collin > > ===== > Collin T. Fagan > DC-Cycles Racing > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ > Proudly sponsored by: > Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) > Dixie Cycles > Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Lagoon/5098 From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 10 00:23:04 2000 From: Eternity23@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 00:22:27 EST Subject: Several bikes for sale. (CHERRY GSXR!) GET YOURS NOW! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Here's what I have up for grabs! Be the lucky buyer today! 1978 Honda Hawk II. 400cc air-cooled parallel twin. Blue. Great overall condition. Tires, chain and sprockets replaced recently. No rust, chrome is in good condition. Small Shoei fairing to acompany. Carbs will need cleaned/rebuilt, but nothing major. Excellent beginner bike for that loved one, or something cheap and fun. Front disc, rear drum. Comstar wheels.$450 obo. 1983 Honda Interceptor VF750F 700cc ('84 tariff-beater motor) V4. Silver/grey custom paint. After market lower fairing. Rear tire near new, brand new front tire. New battery and chain. Dual Super-Trapps. Own a legendary sportbike! $1,000 obo. And my friend is selling.... 1996 Suzuki GSXR 3800 miles. New-ish tires. Properly broken in. Damn near mint condition...I have trouble believing the guy ever rode it at all!!! Two AGV helmets and a tank bag acompany. $7,000 negotiable. I believe it was the copper/brown colour-scheme. Any questions or comments, please e-mail me! If you know of anyone looking for a bike, pass this on. I'm trying to finance a race-bike (and my father wants his garage back). -Sean Jordan (703)-609-6147 From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 10 09:52:25 2000 Reply-To: "Mark Kitchell" From: "Mark Kitchell" To: "Danny Thompson" , Subject: Re: Cal Superbike School at VIR Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 09:51:52 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Danny et. al: I have been wanting to do this for a long time...finally somewhat (5 hours) near DC. I am registering today for the 19th if possible. We should def. get a DC Cycles group. Mark -----Original Message----- From: Danny Thompson To: sv650@XXXXXX ; vfr@XXXXXX ; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Friday, January 07, 2000 6:00 PM Subject: Cal Superbike School at VIR >Who is going to Va. International Raceway for the Cal. Superbike School on >May 18th & 19th? > >Danny >'99 VFR >'99 SV From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 10 11:38:29 2000 Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 11:44:46 -0400 From: Randy Moran Reply-To: Randy Moran Organization: TRW X-Accept-Language: en To: DC Cycles Subject: FS - '99 SV650X Race Bike - $5500 '99 Suzuki SV650X, red, race-prepped. * Complete, unpainted Sharkskinz fairing (tail section damaged but repairable, upper and lower brand new) * All stock parts included. * Race Tech emulators, springs. * Daytona steering damper * Safety wired * Rearsets * Clip-ons Raced one weekend, less than 900 miles on the bike. Crashed once at Summit, turn one. The tank is scuffed and slightly dented. The bike won one race for me in September (after the crash) and will win many more for the right rider. An excellent bike on which to begin an illustrious racing career. Here's a picture of the bike, #567. Damage to the tail section is visible on the inside number plate http://marrc.nova.org/seapup/990918_CCS/567-1_990918_CCS.jpg Bike is located in Northern Virginia. Impending arrival of first child forces sale. $5500 or best offer. Please email me directly. -- Randy Moran From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 10 11:50:43 2000 Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 08:50:39 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: BC 1100 To: McKeithen@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mine worked perfectly on Saturday. It was cold enough early in the morning that I got some ice in my drinking water, but the speedo stayed accurate. (BC1200, not 1100 but they're probably similar) Leon --- McKeithen@XXXXXX wrote: > Anybody notice problems with your BC 1100 during the > cold weather? Mine won't > register speed correctly until the temp get above > ,say 35 or so. > Bob > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 10 13:10:17 2000 From: "Horkster" Reply-To: "Horkster" Date: Mon, 10 Jan 100 13:09:30 -0500 To: Eternity23@XXXXXX, "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: Several bikes for sale. (CHERRY GSXR!) ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Eternity23@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 00:22:27 EST >If you know of anyone looking for a bike, pass this on. I'm trying >to finance a race-bike (and my father wants his garage back). Oh really? Why? Is he getting a new bike? Cool! :) Horkster -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) Horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi -- From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 10 14:39:39 2000 Reply-To: "Mark Kitchell" From: "Mark Kitchell" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: CSS IS open still Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 14:39:12 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 I just signed for the California Superbike School on May 19th. Both days remain open if you drive their Kawasaki 600. Since I wanted to ride their bike anyway, that was perfect for me. Danny, when are you heading down? Mark From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 10 15:06:16 2000 From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 15:05:37 EST Subject: Re: Cal Superbike School at VIR To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 1/7/00 10:37:06 AM Eastern Standard Time, dthompso1@XXXXXX writes: << Who is going to Va. International Raceway for the Cal. Superbike School on May 18th & 19th? >> I'm signed up for both days. - Brian From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 10 21:44:47 2000 From: "rdrdr" To: "dc-cycles" Subject: Calf. racing school Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 21:43:03 -0800 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Can anyone pass along their phone number or web site address ? PPPLEASE? Niv BMW F650ST Suz DR650 From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 10 22:21:06 2000 Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 22:19:19 -0500 From: "Charles V. Pena" X-Accept-Language: en To: rdrdr CC: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Calf. racing school http://www.superbikeschool.com rdrdr wrote: > > Can anyone pass along their phone number or web site address ? PPPLEASE? > > Niv > BMW F650ST > Suz DR650 -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Lagoon/5098 From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 10 22:45:47 2000 Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 22:42:45 -0500 From: JEM Broga Subject: Photos of some DC locals To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, sv650@XXXXXX X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_CvRpUIJwJJqwxtW2g39iBw) Here are some photos of my SV, and a few other listers, and some misc. = taken at Summit Point, WV this past September. http://members2.clubphoto.com/jem217423/First_Album/ Jonathan Broga JEM Racing '99 SV650X - CCS#500 Sponsored by: http://www.speed-werks.com http://www.centurypool.com --Boundary_(ID_CvRpUIJwJJqwxtW2g39iBw)

Here are some photos of my SV, and a = few other=20 listers, and some misc. taken at Summit Point, WV this past=20 September.

http://memb= ers2.clubphoto.com/jem217423/First_Album/

Jonathan Broga
JEM Racing
'99 = SV650X -=20 CCS#500

Sponsored by:
http://www.speed-werks.com
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--Boundary_(ID_CvRpUIJwJJqwxtW2g39iBw)-- From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 11 11:43:57 2000 Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 11:46:13 -0800 From: Chuck Pena X-Accept-Language: en To: DC Cycles CC: Mitch Nakonechny Subject: WTB: Slip-on for 93 GSXR 750 I'm posting this for an internt friend (in Canada -- his email address is cc'ed) who is looking for a slip-on for his Canadian '92 GSXR 750 which is the same thing as a US 93 GSXR 750. Anyone on the list swapping cans or upgrading to a full exhaust or just happen to have one lying around? If so, please contact Mitch directly at mnakonechny@XXXXXX. Thanx! Chuck From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 11 12:34:45 2000 From: "Swifty" To: "Chuck Pena" , "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: Seca Turbo Parts bike Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 12:36:46 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 I have a 1982 Seca Turbo parts bike ( in baskets) for sale. All parts except the seat. The turbo is in good shape (it worked before the bike was disassembled for storage). Make offer John Swift cbxturbo@XXXXXX day phone - work 703-790-5800 From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 11 17:35:24 2000 Reply-To: "Mark Kitchell" From: "Mark Kitchell" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: Advanced Rider Class Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 17:34:27 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 If anyone is interested, I signed up for the Advanced Rider Training on April 16th at the Loudon NOVA Campus. Its $55. Any idea what to expect from this class? Mark From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 11 19:00:18 2000 Reply-To: "Mark Kitchell" From: "Mark Kitchell" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: Captial 1000 Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 18:59:55 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Does anyone have info on this year's Capital 1000? Their web site isn't working. Thanks, Mark From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 11 20:08:08 2000 Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 17:08:04 -0800 (PST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: Captial 1000 To: DC Cycles The management of the Capitol 1000 is changing hands this year. Earlier a few of us who have run the Cap before volunteered to help out with setting it up this year. However, I still have heard nothing from the people who are ultimately running it. If I hear any news I'll post them to DC-Cycles. Louis --- Mark Kitchell wrote: > Does anyone have info on this year's Capital 1000? Their web site isn't > working. > > Thanks, > > Mark > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 12 00:01:12 2000 From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 00:00:59 EST Subject: M-Class License To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I just noticed today, that my DC drivers license, which USED to have a little "M" class on it, now mysteriously only has a "D" (which is the normal car license). I suspect an error was made the last time I renewed it but it was a LOOOOOONNNNNGGGGGG time ago. Anybody have any thoughts as to how I can fix this without having to take the damn driving and written tests? argh! Marcy From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 12 07:15:28 2000 From: "Jordan, Michael" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: M-Class License Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 04:15:20 -0800 >I just noticed today, that my DC drivers license, which USED to have a little >"M" class on it, now mysteriously only has a "D" (which is the normal car >license). I suspect an error was made the last time I renewed it but it was a >LOOOOOONNNNNGGGGGG time ago. This happened to me in VA a few years ago. Luckily I noticed it on the way back to my bike from the counter. Even with that, it was a bit of a hassle to get the "M" endorsement back on. I wish you luck, but fear the worst. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 12 07:36:26 2000 Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 07:33:30 -0500 From: Gary Foreman Subject: RE: M-Class License To: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Cc: DC-Cycles Mailing List X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 They "F"'d me over the same way a few years ago. I went 5 years without the right class. When to renew, and they said I didn't have it, but I explained to the pencil heads that I have had a motorcycle longer than a car. It fell on deaf ear, and they handed me the test which without looking at a book in 15 years I failed (how many feet back do you follow?...FAR ENOUGH NOT TO HIT THE BASTARD!...alas it wasn't one of the choices). Now here's the pisser, I was on my bike! The dick head said I could take the test again in a few days and handed me the book. I picked up my helmet and started to the door. He stopped me and told me I couldn't ride the bike without the "M" class on the license. I said "Hell, I've been doing it for 5 years, what difference does it make" and rode off. I took the book, looked it over that night, then drove 20 miles to another town and passed the test and got the license the next day. I even had to take the stupid driving part. You should have seen me slapping that XS1100 with low clip-ons and headers around the course. The guy giving the test said "You've done this before heh?" Needless to say, I check it EVERY time now. YOU WILL pay for their mistake. > -----Original Message----- > From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX [mailto:JinnSinn@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2000 12:01 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: M-Class License > > > I just noticed today, that my DC drivers license, which USED to > have a little > "M" class on it, now mysteriously only has a "D" (which is the normal car > license). I suspect an error was made the last time I renewed it > but it was a > LOOOOOONNNNNGGGGGG time ago. > > Anybody have any thoughts as to how I can fix this without having > to take the > damn driving and written tests? argh! > > Marcy > From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 12 08:26:04 2000 Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 08:15:58 -0500 From: Bill Huson To: JinnSinn@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: M-Class License You left the DC department of wefugitupbigtime without double checking everything? And now you think they'll correct the error? Har har har har har ... If your insurance comapany hasn't busted you, chances are good that the official record has you down for an M (assuming you have a real live ins co instead of webecheap). If so, *maybe* DC will fix it. But I'd be ready to take the tests. Bill JinnSinn@XXXXXX wrote: > I just noticed today, that my DC drivers license, which USED to have a little > "M" class on it, now mysteriously only has a "D" (which is the normal car > license). I suspect an error was made the last time I renewed it but it was a > LOOOOOONNNNNGGGGGG time ago. > > Anybody have any thoughts as to how I can fix this without having to take the > damn driving and written tests? argh! > > Marcy From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 12 09:22:41 2000 From: "Jay St. Peter" To: Subject: Re: M-Class License Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 09:23:41 -0800 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 I recently changed my license from VA to MD (can you say thousands of pieces of paper necessary in MD, took me two months just to get the paperwork together and I was supposed to get it done within a month). I rode my bike in on the day that I had successfully collected all the paperwork. In MD you go to about 100 stations before getting your license. I told each of the people I needed CM class license. I was once told I was going to have to pay for two licenses. In the end, after mentioning the M at each of 100 stations, they said "check over the info and sign" and of course it was a class C license. At that point my VA license was in a pile somewhere at another station and one of the managers had to come over and deal with it. I guess they just wanted to make sure I didn't get out of there in LESS than 4 hours. The whole process needs to be revamped. I talked to my mom before I went and she said MD had just revamped its whole process and computer system. It is supposed to be real easy now. Yeah right! I don't remember it being that hard back in the 80s when I lived in MD. I think they made it twice as hard. Used to be you waited in a big line for a couple of hours. Now you wait for your number to be called just to get a new number about 100 times and try to juggle numbers for getting your license and numbers for doing your vehicles just to have them pop up at the same time and have to go get yet another number. I went up and said "my drivers license number came up so I missed my number at this station" and the woman said "that's what you get for trying to do both at the same time". ahhhhhhh sorry, just thinking about it gets me going..... Jay St. Peter still smarting from over 6 hours at the MD MVA (it only takes 2 hrs to find out you don't have all the thousands of pieces of paper necessary, 4 hrs to get it done when you do) From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 12 09:25:53 2000 From: Jeannette.Zell@XXXXXX X-Lotus-FromDomain: SPPT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 09:18:51 -0500 Subject: Re: M-Class License Content-Disposition: inline Yikes, that sucks. Good luck. - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 JinnSinn@XXXXXX on 01/12/2000 12:00:59 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: Subject: M-Class License I just noticed today, that my DC drivers license, which USED to have a little "M" class on it, now mysteriously only has a "D" (which is the normal car license). I suspect an error was made the last time I renewed it but it was a LOOOOOONNNNNGGGGGG time ago. Anybody have any thoughts as to how I can fix this without having to take the damn driving and written tests? argh! Marcy ____________________________________________________________ This electronic message transmission contains information from the law firm Shaw Pittman that may be confidential or privileged. The information is intended solely for the recipient and use by any other party is not authorized. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information is prohibited. If you have received this electronic transmission in error, please notify us immediately by telephone (1.202.663.8000) or by electronic mail (postmaster@XXXXXX). Thank you. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 12 09:39:53 2000 Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 09:39:38 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: M-Class License Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative On Wed, 12 Jan 2000, Jay St. Peter wrote: > The whole process needs to be revamped. I talked to my mom before I > went and she said MD had just revamped its whole process and computer > system. It is supposed to be real easy now. Yeah right! When the system was revamped (it's been 3-5 years now) you really could zip right through. I walked in with an out of state title and walked out with new tags in about 20 minutes once. I still remember that day with tears in my eyes... :) Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://dirtrider.net/planetklx/) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 12 10:00:06 2000 From: "Paul A. Wilson" To: Cc: Subject: Re: M-Class License Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 09:56:51 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal You're OK. Look at the back of the license. Class "D" means vehicles for non-commercial and personal use. Also includes Class "N" which are mopeds. Class "D" includes motorcycles and all other vehicles not for hire. Basically you have privileges for all vehicles except those that require a CDL. Don't you feel special and empowered. :) If they gave you a Class "M" you cold not legally drive a car, only a motorcycle. You should also have "M" under endorsements so Officer Friendly in another state can figure out that you have a MC endorsement. I got my DC endorsement last month and that's what the lady behind the counter explained to me at the testing station. BTW, the DC motorcycle skills test is a joke and I had to wait eight weeks for an appointment. Basically if you don't drop your bike during the test they give you an endorsement. DC does like accept the MSF RiderCourse. Also the DC DMV is much, much better than when I first moved here. Would you believe that the MC written test is now on the computer? Paul Wilson Washington DC ---------- > From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: M-Class License > Date: Wednesday, January 12, 2000 12:00 AM > > I just noticed today, that my DC drivers license, which USED to have a little > "M" class on it, now mysteriously only has a "D" (which is the normal car > license). I suspect an error was made the last time I renewed it but it was a > LOOOOOONNNNNGGGGGG time ago. > > Anybody have any thoughts as to how I can fix this without having to take the > damn driving and written tests? argh! > > Marcy From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 12 10:09:11 2000 X-Originating-IP: [204.193.255.42] From: "Doug Allis" To: JinnSinn@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: M-Class License Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 07:09:01 PST Vote with your feet. Move out of the district. >I just noticed today, that my DC drivers license, which USED to have a >little >"M" class on it, now mysteriously only has a "D" (which is the normal car >license). I suspect an error was made the last time I renewed it but it was >a >LOOOOOONNNNNGGGGGG time ago. > >Anybody have any thoughts as to how I can fix this without having to take >the >damn driving and written tests? argh! > >Marcy ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 12 10:18:48 2000 X-Originating-IP: [204.193.255.42] From: "Doug Allis" To: jay.stpeter@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: M-Class License Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 07:18:09 PST Took me less than an hour in the Springfield Mall "store" about a year ago when I renewed mine. It took me less than two hours when I decided to go legal 6 years ago. I called them and made an appointment!!!! That time included the written and the riding test. Added bonus: VA didn't even notice/care that the bike somehow "rode itself" to the DMV ;-) You can write a letter to your legislator/mayor/governor or vote with your feet. Move to VA. >I guess they just wanted to make sure I didn't get out of there in LESS >than >4 hours. > >The whole process needs to be revamped. I talked to my mom before I went >and she said MD had just revamped its whole process and computer system. >It >is supposed to be real easy now. Yeah right ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 12 10:45:17 2000 From: "Jay St. Peter" To: "Doug Allis" , Subject: RE: M-Class License Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 10:46:21 -0800 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Yeah, I had my VA license stolen about a week before moving. Took me 20 minutes at the Tysons Corner DMV on a saturday to walk out w/a new one. I don't know what it would take if I was to attempt to move all my vehicles there though, maybe the same hassle. I know it is easier to register vehicles in VA, don't need all the notarized crap you do in MD. Just a signed title. MD does have some MVA express locations (one 3 miles from my house) to ease the license renewal process. That actually works OK according to some people I've talked to. Overall it is not enough to make me want to move again (although grocery stores not selling beer kinda sucks). Jay -----Original Message----- From: Doug Allis [mailto:dhallis@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2000 7:18 AM To: jay.stpeter@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: M-Class License Took me less than an hour in the Springfield Mall "store" about a year ago when I renewed mine. It took me less than two hours when I decided to go legal 6 years ago. I called them and made an appointment!!!! That time included the written and the riding test. Added bonus: VA didn't even notice/care that the bike somehow "rode itself" to the DMV ;-) You can write a letter to your legislator/mayor/governor or vote with your feet. Move to VA. >I guess they just wanted to make sure I didn't get out of there in LESS >than >4 hours. > >The whole process needs to be revamped. I talked to my mom before I went >and she said MD had just revamped its whole process and computer system. >It >is supposed to be real easy now. Yeah right ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 12 11:13:36 2000 From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 11:12:02 EST Subject: Re: M-Class License To: pawilson@XXXXXX, JinnSinn@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX oooo I feel so special! ;D but is the difference between having a Class M (where I could not drive a car) and having "M" under endorsements? shouldn't there be a little "M" on the license in either case? And how can I be sure that the "D" includes motorcycles? obviously the bike is non-commercial and personal use but do you know for certain that the law includes motorcycles under Class D? thanks! Marcy In a message dated 1/12/00 9:59:41 AM, pawilson@XXXXXX writes: << Class "D" means vehicles for non-commercial and personal use. Also includes Class "N" which are mopeds. Class "D" includes motorcycles and all other vehicles not for hire. Basically you have privileges for all vehicles except those that require a CDL. Don't you feel special and empowered. :) If they gave you a Class "M" you cold not legally drive a car, only a motorcycle. You should also have "M" under endorsements so Officer Friendly in another state can figure out that you have a MC endorsement. >> From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 12 11:13:30 2000 From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 11:12:47 EST Subject: Re: M-Class License To: dhallis@XXXXXX, JinnSinn@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX no way man. I like being downtown. If I move out it'll be to LA or NYC. :D Marcy In a message dated 1/12/00 10:09:06 AM, dhallis@XXXXXX writes: << Move out of the district. >> From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 12 11:15:44 2000 From: "Paul A. Wilson" To: "Paul A. Wilson" Cc: Subject: Re: M-Class License Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 11:14:55 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Oops, typo. DC does _not_ accept MSF RiderCourse. They should since the riding test is so lame. They also didn't ask how I miraculously appeared for my test. The whole "supervision" thing is ridiculous. Whoever wrote the regs doesn't have a clue. Paul Wilson Washington DC ---------- > > Basically if you don't drop your bike during the test they give you an > endorsement. DC does like accept the MSF RiderCourse. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 12 11:57:25 2000 From: jnewman@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 11:57:17 -0500 Subject: Re: M-Class License I just got transferred my license from VA to DC about 5 months ago ( after living in DC for about two years) and only have a class "M" endorsement on my license. When I was at the counter, I noticed the lady only gave me the endorsement for a car, and I pointed out that on my VA license I had both the car and motorcycle endorsement. She looked at it and said " oh yea, the "M" means motorcycle...." Uh, yes. She then assigned me just the class "M" endorsement and reviewed my paperwork for both my car and motorcycle. I don't have a "C" ( which one can conclude also covers motorcycles), just the "M" ( which one can conclude excludes cars! ). I don't see any problem with this, and if I am ever questioned, my defense would be "why was I issued plates, a new title, assessed taxes, and a parking sticker for my car, when the new license clearly had an "M" on it? In my point of view, you are in a better situation than I, because you have a "D" which also covers an "N"...which is good for a "motor driven cycle" which is also referred to as a "motorcycle" See how that works? neat huh? Do what most people in DC do.... ignore it, and go on with business until someone actually confronts you. -John "creativity is a spice of life" Newman 88 FZR 400 From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Date sent: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 00:00:59 EST Subject: M-Class License To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I just noticed today, that my DC drivers license, which USED to have a little "M" class on it, now mysteriously only has a "D" (which is the normal car license). I suspect an error was made the last time I renewed it but it was a LOOOOOONNNNNGGGGGG time ago. Anybody have any thoughts as to how I can fix this without having to take the damn driving and written tests? argh! Marcy From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 12 12:18:31 2000 From: Michael Jay To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: M-Class License Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 12:23:40 -0500 Perhaps, but who gets the money as the regs stand now? Mike '82 XJ750RJ -----Original Message----- From: Paul A. Wilson [mailto:pawilson@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2000 11:15 AM To: Paul A. Wilson Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: M-Class License Oops, typo. DC does _not_ accept MSF RiderCourse. They should since the riding test is so lame. They also didn't ask how I miraculously appeared for my test. The whole "supervision" thing is ridiculous. Whoever wrote the regs doesn't have a clue. Paul Wilson Washington DC ---------- > > Basically if you don't drop your bike during the test they give you an > endorsement. DC does like accept the MSF RiderCourse. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 12 12:37:40 2000 Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 12:41:13 -0500 (EST) From: cambion To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: M-Class License While we're on the subject maybe someone with a VA license can clear something up for me. About 4-5 months ago I went to the DMV to get a class M endorsment added to my normal (car) driver's license. After the standard paperwork and waiting ritual I recieved a new license .. Class M. I immediately questioned the person at the counter, explaining that I needed a license for both a car AND a motorcycle. She assured me that the Class M license covered both. This definately did not sound right to me, so I asked that she double check this. She asked the person working the station next to hers and they agreed that the Class M covered both. At that point I said "Okay" and off I went and I really haven't bothered to think much about it since then. However, this thread has renewed my concerns about my own situation. Can anyone tell me with certainty wether or not what the folks at the DMV told me was correct or not? Thanks! Mike On Wed, 12 Jan 2000 jnewman@XXXXXX wrote: > > I just got transferred my license from VA to DC about 5 months > ago ( after living in DC for about two years) and only have a class > "M" endorsement on my license. When I was at the counter, I > noticed the lady only gave me the endorsement for a car, and I > pointed out that on my VA license I had both the car and > motorcycle endorsement. She looked at it and said " oh yea, the > "M" means motorcycle...." Uh, yes. She then assigned me just > the class "M" endorsement and reviewed my paperwork for both > my car and motorcycle. I don't have a "C" ( which one can > conclude also covers motorcycles), just the "M" ( which one can > conclude excludes cars! ). I don't see any problem with this, and > if I am ever questioned, my defense would be "why was I issued > plates, a new title, assessed taxes, and a parking sticker for my > car, when the new license clearly had an "M" on it? > > In my point of view, you are in a better situation than I, because > you have a "D" which also covers an "N"...which is good for a > "motor driven cycle" which is also referred to as a "motorcycle" > See how that works? neat huh? > > Do what most people in DC do.... ignore it, and go on with > business until someone actually confronts you. > > -John "creativity is a spice of life" Newman > > 88 FZR 400 > > > > > From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX > Date sent: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 00:00:59 EST > Subject: M-Class License > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > I just noticed today, that my DC drivers license, which USED to have a little > "M" class on it, now mysteriously only has a "D" (which is the normal car > license). I suspect an error was made the last time I renewed it but it was a > LOOOOOONNNNNGGGGGG time ago. > > Anybody have any thoughts as to how I can fix this without having to take the > damn driving and written tests? argh! > > Marcy > > -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Cambion --- Cambion@XXXXXX --- ICQ: 212086 --- http://www.blood-dance.net/hls/cambion --- Internet Systems Engineer - UUNET, an MCI Worldcom Company - Remember you don't really own anything you can't carry at a dead run. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 12 12:57:12 2000 From: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" To: "'cambion'" Cc: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: M-Class License Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 12:56:31 -0500 The license should say "Driver's License" underneath where it says Virginia and "M" under class. That covers both. Glenn -----Original Message----- While we're on the subject maybe someone with a VA license can clear something up for me. About 4-5 months ago I went to the DMV to get a class M endorsment added to my normal (car) driver's license. After the standard paperwork and waiting ritual I recieved a new license .. Class M. I immediately questioned the person at the counter, explaining that I needed a license for both a car AND a motorcycle. She assured me that the Class M license covered both. This definately did not sound right to me, so I asked that she double check this. She asked the person working the station next to hers and they agreed that the Class M covered both. At that point I said "Okay" and off I went and I really haven't bothered to think much about it since then. However, this thread has renewed my concerns about my own situation. Can anyone tell me with certainty wether or not what the folks at the DMV told me was correct or not? From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 12 12:59:46 2000 Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 13:02:03 -0800 From: Chuck Pena X-Accept-Language: en To: cambion , DC Cycles Subject: Re: M-Class License Well I hope so because my VA driver's license has had a class M endorsement on it for 10+ years and I'm driving both a car and a motorcycle! If I understand correctly, the endorsement section of the driver's license is for anything and everything beyond a "regular" car driver's license (e.g., motorcycle, commercial, etc.) Cheers, Chuck cambion wrote: > > While we're on the subject maybe someone with a VA license can clear > something up for me. About 4-5 months ago I went to the DMV to get a > class M endorsment added to my normal (car) driver's license. After the > standard paperwork and waiting ritual I recieved a new license .. Class M. > I immediately questioned the person at the counter, explaining that I > needed a license for both a car AND a motorcycle. She assured me that the > Class M license covered both. This definately did not sound right to me, > so I asked that she double check this. She asked the person working the > station next to hers and they agreed that the Class M covered both. At > that point I said "Okay" and off I went and I really haven't bothered to > think much about it since then. However, this thread has renewed my > concerns about my own situation. Can anyone tell me with certainty wether > or not what the folks at the DMV told me was correct or not? From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 12 13:24:44 2000 Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 10:24:04 -0800 (PST) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: M-Class License Does DC still provide MC learners permits? As I recall they where good for 3 months and the only restriction was that you couln't carry a passenger. On Wed, 12 Jan 2000, Paul A. Wilson wrote: > Oops, typo. DC does _not_ accept MSF RiderCourse. They should since the > riding test is so lame. They also didn't ask how I miraculously appeared > for my test. The whole "supervision" thing is ridiculous. Whoever wrote > the regs doesn't have a clue. > > Paul Wilson > Washington DC > > ---------- > > > > Basically if you don't drop your bike during the test they give you an > > endorsement. DC does like accept the MSF RiderCourse. > ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 12 13:27:09 2000 Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 13:27:04 -0500 From: Matthew Harrell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: M-Class License : While we're on the subject maybe someone with a VA license can clear : something up for me. About 4-5 months ago I went to the DMV to get a : class M endorsment added to my normal (car) driver's license. After the : standard paperwork and waiting ritual I recieved a new license .. Class M. : I immediately questioned the person at the counter, explaining that I : needed a license for both a car AND a motorcycle. She assured me that the : Class M license covered both. This definately did not sound right to me, : so I asked that she double check this. She asked the person working the : station next to hers and they agreed that the Class M covered both. At : that point I said "Okay" and off I went and I really haven't bothered to : think much about it since then. However, this thread has renewed my : concerns about my own situation. Can anyone tell me with certainty wether : or not what the folks at the DMV told me was correct or not? As far as I know, you're fine. All the ones I've see were like that and I've never had anyone question my right to drive a car.` -- Matthew Harrell Another Month's End: Bit Twiddlers, Inc. All Targets Met mharrell@XXXXXX All Systems Working All Customers Satisfied All Staff Enthusiastic All Pigs Fed And Ready To Fly From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 12 13:29:54 2000 From: jnewman@XXXXXX To: cambion Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 13:29:33 -0500 Subject: Re: M-Class License in VA CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX 7F00,0000,0000 I just got transferred my license from VA to DC about 5 months > ago ( after living in DC for about two years) and only have a class > "M" endorsement on my license. I should have clarified here that a class "M" designation DOES in fact allow you to operate both a car and motorcycle in Virginia. It was my understanding that the same was true for DC... But as I pointed out in my last post, this may be open to interpretation. -John N 88 FZR 400 Date sent: 0000,0000,8000Wed, 12 Jan 2000 12:41:13 -0500 (EST) From: 0000,0000,8000cambion < To: 0000,0000,8000dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: 0000,0000,8000Re: M-Class License While we're on the subject maybe someone with a VA license can clear something up for me. About 4-5 months ago I went to the DMV to get a class M endorsment added to my normal (car) driver's license. After the standard paperwork and waiting ritual I recieved a new license .. Class M. I immediately questioned the person at the counter, explaining that I needed a license for both a car AND a motorcycle. She assured me that the Class M license covered both. This definately did not sound right to me, so I asked that she double check this. She asked the person working the station next to hers and they agreed that the Class M covered both. At that point I said "Okay" and off I went and I really haven't bothered to think much about it since then. However, this thread has renewed my concerns about my own situation. Can anyone tell me with certainty wether or not what the folks at the DMV told me was correct or not? Thanks! Mike On Wed, 12 Jan 2000 jnewman@XXXXXX wrote: 7F00,0000,0000> > I just got transferred my license from VA to DC about 5 months > ago ( after living in DC for about two years) and only have a class > "M" endorsement on my license. When I was at the counter, I > noticed the lady only gave me the endorsement for a car, and I > pointed out that on my VA license I had both the car and > motorcycle endorsement. She looked at it and said " oh yea, the > "M" means motorcycle...." Uh, yes. She then assigned me just > the class "M" endorsement and reviewed my paperwork for both > my car and motorcycle. I don't have a "C" ( which one can > conclude also covers motorcycles), just the "M" ( which one can > conclude excludes cars! ). I don't see any problem with this, and > if I am ever questioned, my defense would be "why was I issued > plates, a new title, assessed taxes, and a parking sticker for my > car, when the new license clearly had an "M" on it? > > In my point of view, you are in a better situation than I, because > you have a "D" which also covers an "N"...which is good for a > "motor driven cycle" which is also referred to as a "motorcycle" > See how that works? neat huh? > > Do what most people in DC do.... ignore it, and go on with > business until someone actually confronts you. > > -John "creativity is a spice of life" Newman > > 88 FZR 400 > > > > > From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX > Date sent: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 00:00:59 EST > Subject: M-Class License > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > I just noticed today, that my DC drivers license, which USED to have a little > "M" class on it, now mysteriously only has a "D" (which is the normal car > license). I suspect an error was made the last time I renewed it but it was a > LOOOOOONNNNNGGGGGG time ago. > > Anybody have any thoughts as to how I can fix this without having to take the > damn driving and written tests? argh! > > Marcy > > -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Cambion --- Cambion@XXXXXX --- ICQ: 212086 --- http://www.blood-dance.net/hls/cambion --- Internet Systems Engineer - UUNET, an MCI Worldcom Company - Remember you don't really own anything you can't carry at a dead run. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 12 13:47:39 2000 Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 10:47:34 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: M-Class License To: cambion , DCCycles --- cambion wrote: > > While we're on the subject maybe someone with a VA > license can clear > something up for me. About 4-5 months ago I went to > the DMV to get a > class M endorsment added to my normal (car) driver's > license. After the > standard paperwork and waiting ritual I recieved a > new license .. Class M. > I immediately questioned the person at the counter, > explaining that I > needed a license for both a car AND a motorcycle. > She assured me that the > Class M license covered both. This definately did > not sound right to me, > so I asked that she double check this. She asked > the person working the > station next to hers and they agreed that the Class > M covered both. At > that point I said "Okay" and off I went and I really > haven't bothered to > think much about it since then. However, this > thread has renewed my > concerns about my own situation. Can anyone tell me > with certainty wether > or not what the folks at the DMV told me was correct > or not? > You have both. The Code of Virginia: "if the applicant, at the time of such application, applies for a regular driver's license and submits to and passes the examination provided for in � 46.2-325, he shall be granted a classification on his driver's license to drive motorcycles in addition to any other vehicles his driver's license may authorize him to operate." DMV's Web page: "Class M Designation or Motorcycle-Only Driver's License Class M Designation If you already hold a valid Virginia driver's license you may add a Class M designation which will allow you to also operate a motorcycle." "When you renew your driver's license, remember to renew your Class M designation also. "Driver's License Restricted to Operation of a Motorcycle" Instead of a Class M designation, you may obtain a driver's license that allows you to operate only a motorcycle." " . . . this type of driver's license allows you to operate only a motorcycle. If you decide later that you want to operate another type of vehicle, you will have to pass the knowledge and skills test for that vehicle type." Leon __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 12 15:04:27 2000 Return-Path: cambion@XXXXXX Received: from mux.net (w250.z216112023.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.23.250]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA15502 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 15:04:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (cambion@localhost) by mux.net (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA21133 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 15:08:00 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from cambion@XXXXXX) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 15:08:00 -0500 (EST) From: cambion To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: M-Class License In-Reply-To: <20000112184734.28352.qmail@web903.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Just wanted to thank everyone for the responses. I am most relieved. Thanks!! Mike On Wed, 12 Jan 2000, Leon Begeman wrote: > --- cambion wrote: > >=20 > > While we're on the subject maybe someone with a VA > > license can clear > > something up for me. About 4-5 months ago I went to > > the DMV to get a > > class M endorsment added to my normal (car) driver's > > license. After the > > standard paperwork and waiting ritual I recieved a > > new license .. Class M. > > I immediately questioned the person at the counter, > > explaining that I > > needed a license for both a car AND a motorcycle.=20 > > She assured me that the > > Class M license covered both. This definately did > > not sound right to me, > > so I asked that she double check this. She asked > > the person working the > > station next to hers and they agreed that the Class > > M covered both. At > > that point I said "Okay" and off I went and I really > > haven't bothered to > > think much about it since then. However, this > > thread has renewed my > > concerns about my own situation. Can anyone tell me > > with certainty wether > > or not what the folks at the DMV told me was correct > > or not? > >=20 > You have both.=20 >=20 > The Code of Virginia: > "if the applicant, at the time of such application, > applies for a regular driver's license and submits to > and passes the examination provided for in =A7 46.2-325, > he shall be granted a classification on his driver's > license to drive motorcycles in addition to any other > vehicles his driver's license may authorize him to > operate."=20 >=20 > DMV's Web page: > "Class M Designation or Motorcycle-Only Driver's > License >=20 > Class M Designation > If you already hold a valid Virginia driver's license > you may add a Class M designation which will allow you > to also operate a motorcycle." >=20 > "When you renew your driver's license, remember to > renew your Class M designation also. >=20 > "Driver's License Restricted to Operation of a > Motorcycle" > Instead of a Class M designation, you may obtain a > driver's license that allows you to operate only a > motorcycle."=20 > " . . . this type of driver's license allows you to > operate only a motorcycle. If you decide later that > you want to operate another type of vehicle, you will > have to pass the knowledge and skills test for that > vehicle type." >=20 >=20 > Leon > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com >=20 --=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ---- Cambion --- Cambion@XXXXXX --- ICQ: 212086 =20 --- http://www.blood-dance.net/hls/cambion =20 --- Internet Systems Engineer - UUNET, an MCI Worldcom Compan= y - Remember you don't really own anything you can't carry at a dead run. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ---- From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 12 15:12:46 2000 Return-Path: pawilson@XXXXXX Received: from mail.digizen.net (mail.digizen.net [209.194.78.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA15658 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 15:12:44 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200001122012.PAA15658@meretrix.com> Received: (qmail 16544 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2000 20:13:30 -0000 Received: from ppp3-135.digizen.net (HELO palladio) (209.194.78.135) by mail.digizen.net with SMTP; 12 Jan 2000 20:13:30 -0000 From: "Paul A. Wilson" To: Subject: Re: M-Class License Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 15:07:06 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes, DC does have Learner's permits, good for six months. They also require the ever vague "supervision" in addition to the requirement for no passengers. Personally I think they should do away with the permits and simply require the MSF course as many states do. I have loads of experience with the DC permits since I had two. The first one expired because it took eight weeks to schedule a road test. Naive me, I thought I could call and get an appointment for the next day or two. So, I had to go back to C St. NW to get another permit and had to retake the written test chockfull of such vital questions as the speed limit in an alley in DC. It's 15 by the way. The second time I took the test it was computerized, much better than the question sheet that had been copied so many times it was nearly illegible. Also, you need to look at the study guide before taking the written test. Some of the answers are simply wrong to anyone with any riding experience, or the MSF course, but the study guide rules. There was even a question about how long the DC MC inspection is valid. The "correct" answer is one year, although when I had my bike inspected I was given a sticker good of two years. Go figure. The inspection consists of checking the lights on your bike. I'm glad I didn't wait in line for an hour for that. For the record as a new rider and purchaser of a used bike it took me seven visits to three different DMV facilities to get the bike titled and registered and to get the MC endorsement. Paul Wilson Washington DC ---------- > From: Hugh Caldwell > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: M-Class License > Date: Wednesday, January 12, 2000 1:24 PM > > > Does DC still provide MC learners permits? As I > recall they where good for 3 months and the only restriction > was that you couln't carry a passenger. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 12 16:00:54 2000 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA16602 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 16:00:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-15.patriot.net [209.249.181.15]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA08459; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 16:00:41 -0500 Message-ID: <387CE934.E17E67F2@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 15:51:00 -0500 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: cambion CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: M-Class License References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes, both car and M/C. The M is an *endorsement*, as in an extra privilage allowed above operating a passenger vehilce/light truck. Bill cambion wrote: > While we're on the subject maybe someone with a VA license can clear > something up for me. About 4-5 months ago I went to the DMV to get a > class M endorsment added to my normal (car) driver's license. After the > standard paperwork and waiting ritual I recieved a new license .. Class M. > I immediately questioned the person at the counter, explaining that I > needed a license for both a car AND a motorcycle. She assured me that the > Class M license covered both. This definately did not sound right to me, > so I asked that she double check this. She asked the person working the > station next to hers and they agreed that the Class M covered both. At > that point I said "Okay" and off I went and I really haven't bothered to > think much about it since then. However, this thread has renewed my > concerns about my own situation. Can anyone tell me with certainty wether > or not what the folks at the DMV told me was correct or not? > > Thanks! > Mike > > On Wed, 12 Jan 2000 jnewman@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > > I just got transferred my license from VA to DC about 5 months > > ago ( after living in DC for about two years) and only have a class > > "M" endorsement on my license. When I was at the counter, I > > noticed the lady only gave me the endorsement for a car, and I > > pointed out that on my VA license I had both the car and > > motorcycle endorsement. She looked at it and said " oh yea, the > > "M" means motorcycle...." Uh, yes. She then assigned me just > > the class "M" endorsement and reviewed my paperwork for both > > my car and motorcycle. I don't have a "C" ( which one can > > conclude also covers motorcycles), just the "M" ( which one can > > conclude excludes cars! ). I don't see any problem with this, and > > if I am ever questioned, my defense would be "why was I issued > > plates, a new title, assessed taxes, and a parking sticker for my > > car, when the new license clearly had an "M" on it? > > > > In my point of view, you are in a better situation than I, because > > you have a "D" which also covers an "N"...which is good for a > > "motor driven cycle" which is also referred to as a "motorcycle" > > See how that works? neat huh? > > > > Do what most people in DC do.... ignore it, and go on with > > business until someone actually confronts you. > > > > -John "creativity is a spice of life" Newman > > > > 88 FZR 400 > > > > > > > > > > From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX > > Date sent: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 00:00:59 EST > > Subject: M-Class License > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > > > I just noticed today, that my DC drivers license, which USED to have a little > > "M" class on it, now mysteriously only has a "D" (which is the normal car > > license). I suspect an error was made the last time I renewed it but it was a > > LOOOOOONNNNNGGGGGG time ago. > > > > Anybody have any thoughts as to how I can fix this without having to take the > > damn driving and written tests? argh! > > > > Marcy > > > > > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Cambion --- Cambion@XXXXXX --- ICQ: 212086 > --- http://www.blood-dance.net/hls/cambion > --- Internet Systems Engineer - UUNET, an MCI Worldcom Company > > - Remember you don't really own anything you can't carry at a dead run. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 12 17:17:46 2000 Return-Path: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (imo23.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.67]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA17930 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 17:17:45 -0500 (EST) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.6.) id c.35.50fc40 (7941); Wed, 12 Jan 2000 17:16:51 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <35.50fc40.25ae5750@aol.com> Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 17:16:48 EST Subject: Re: M-Class License To: jay.stpeter@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 44 Just do like me. I have a Pennsylvania License. In and out in less than 30 minutes. ;-) Scooter In a message dated 1/12/2000 9:28:03 AM Eastern Standard Time, jay.stpeter@XXXXXX writes: << Jay St. Peter still smarting from over 6 hours at the MD MVA (it only takes 2 hrs to find out you don't have all the thousands of pieces of paper necessary, 4 hrs to get it done when you do) >> From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 12 17:20:48 2000 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA18019 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 17:20:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA29946 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 17:20:45 -0500 (EST) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from imo-d06.mx.aol.com (imo-d06.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.38]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA01097 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 17:20:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.6.) id i.65.b146bd (7941); Wed, 12 Jan 2000 17:19:59 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <65.b146bd.25ae580e@aol.com> Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 17:19:58 EST Subject: Re: M-Class License To: JinnSinn@XXXXXX, dhallis@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 44 Where are you in downtown anyway? I live so close to the White House that I waver to Bill and Hill everyday. ;-) Scooter In a message dated 1/12/2000 11:18:42 AM Eastern Standard Time, JinnSinn@XXXXXX writes: << no way man. I like being downtown. If I move out it'll be to LA or NYC. :D Marcy In a message dated 1/12/00 10:09:06 AM, dhallis@XXXXXX writes: << Move out of the district. >> >> From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 12 17:32:58 2000 Return-Path: jay.stpeter@XXXXXX Received: from ravinc.ravinc.com (mail.ravinc.com [216.181.133.51]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA18228 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 17:32:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from superj (192.9.200.178) by ravinc.ravinc.com (Worldmail 1.3.167); 12 Jan 2000 17:33:00 -0500 From: "Jay St. Peter" To: Cc: Subject: RE: M-Class License Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 17:34:03 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <35.50fc40.25ae5750@aol.com> Well, I'd have to give them a fake address to do that. Then they wouldn't be able to find me ... hmmmm, maybe that's a good idea given my driving record :) -----Original Message----- From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX [mailto:ScooterFZR@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2000 2:17 PM To: jay.stpeter@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: M-Class License Just do like me. I have a Pennsylvania License. In and out in less than 30 minutes. ;-) Scooter In a message dated 1/12/2000 9:28:03 AM Eastern Standard Time, jay.stpeter@XXXXXX writes: << Jay St. Peter still smarting from over 6 hours at the MD MVA (it only takes 2 hrs to find out you don't have all the thousands of pieces of paper necessary, 4 hrs to get it done when you do) >> From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 12 17:39:58 2000 Return-Path: CWeaver@XXXXXX Received: from exchange.apscare.com ([38.201.180.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA18332 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 17:39:57 -0500 (EST) Received: by EXCHANGE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 17:40:29 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Weaver, Chris" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Resubscribed-New Email Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 17:40:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain If anyone on DC-Cycles needs to contact me via email, my new address is cweaver@XXXXXX. For those who don't care, I apologize for the unnecessary email. Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 12 17:43:10 2000 Return-Path: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (imo20.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA18460 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 17:43:09 -0500 (EST) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.6.) id c.9d.c9b0bc (7941); Wed, 12 Jan 2000 17:42:29 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <9d.c9b0bc.25ae5d54@aol.com> Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 17:42:28 EST Subject: Re: M-Class License To: jay.stpeter@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 44 Works out great for me. I still get mail at my parents house so, why not keep the license? ;-) Scooter In a message dated 1/12/2000 5:32:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, jay.stpeter@XXXXXX writes: << Well, I'd have to give them a fake address to do that. Then they wouldn't be able to find me ... hmmmm, maybe that's a good idea given my driving record :) -----Original Message----- From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX [mailto:ScooterFZR@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2000 2:17 PM To: jay.stpeter@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: M-Class License Just do like me. I have a Pennsylvania License. In and out in less than 30 minutes. ;-) Scooter >> From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 12 17:57:37 2000 Return-Path: jay.stpeter@XXXXXX Received: from ravinc.ravinc.com (mail.ravinc.com [216.181.133.51]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA18707 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 17:57:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from superj (192.9.200.178) by ravinc.ravinc.com (Worldmail 1.3.167); 12 Jan 2000 17:57:40 -0500 From: "Jay St. Peter" To: Cc: Subject: RE: M-Class License Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 17:58:43 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <9d.c9b0bc.25ae5d54@aol.com> A number of years ago, I used to keep my license/cars in MD to avoid PPT in VA. Same idea, just doesn't work out when you buy your own house. They send harassing mail until you at least get your license in state. Didn't really want to wait to see if they came after me. Plus, by then my vehicles had aged enough that PPT was minimal. They were valuing my 5 year old '86 Mustang GT for $1200 at the time. I think they must've used the 4-cylinder price for valuation. Jay back to MD just in time for PPT to end -----Original Message----- From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX [mailto:ScooterFZR@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2000 2:42 PM To: jay.stpeter@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: M-Class License Works out great for me. I still get mail at my parents house so, why not keep the license? ;-) Scooter In a message dated 1/12/2000 5:32:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, jay.stpeter@XXXXXX writes: << Well, I'd have to give them a fake address to do that. Then they wouldn't be able to find me ... hmmmm, maybe that's a good idea given my driving record :) From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 12 18:48:10 2000 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA19591 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 18:48:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA00335 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 18:48:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA28944 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 18:48:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.84]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 3.4.5) with SMTP id ; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 16:30:21 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "Gary Foreman" , Cc: "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Subject: RE: M-Class License Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 16:32:30 -0500 Message-ID: <001201bf5d44$879966c0$6400a8c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <018801bf5cf9$3b7998a0$1700a8c0@loudoun.com> And then there is the other story: My father didn't ride from 1974 until 1997. Yet each time he renewed the license, the MD DMV managed to put the 'm' class on there. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 12 18:50:53 2000 Return-Path: EXAMAPRO@XXXXXX Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (imo14.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.4]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA19668 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 18:50:44 -0500 (EST) From: EXAMAPRO@XXXXXX Received: from EXAMAPRO@XXXXXX by imo14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.6.) id 2.c4.67bef9 (4511) for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 18:50:03 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 18:50:02 EST Subject: unsuscribe...thanks for all the info To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 38 please unsuscribe me for now....got too much going on to keep up w/ the e-mails....but thanks for all the info From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 12 23:26:03 2000 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA23974 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 23:26:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA01376 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 23:26:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.wch.adelphia.net (alpha.wch.adelphia.net [24.48.14.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA14097 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 23:26:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from gforeman (surf15-53.wch.adelphia.net [216.174.23.53]) by alpha.wch.adelphia.net (8.9.3/8.9.2) with SMTP id XAA26687 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 23:25:43 -0500 (EST) From: "Gary Foreman" To: "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Subject: Suzuki Riders...you now have another choice! Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 23:25:19 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal Loudoun Motor sports in Leesburg VA is now an authorized Suzuki dealership if you hadn't heard. Gary W. Foreman EMAIL: fj1100@XXXXXX WEB: http://www.fj1100.com WEB: http://www.tl1000.com '99-TL1000R | '88-KX250 | '85-FJ1100 From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 12 23:38:00 2000 Return-Path: mobacc@XXXXXX Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA24205 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 23:37:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from newmicronpc (dialas-164.knight-hub.com [205.252.164.164]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA27329 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 23:37:18 -0500 Message-ID: <001401bf5d7f$e1f62d20$a4a4fccd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "Dc Cycles" Subject: M-Class License in DC Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 23:37:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 After digesting several messages on this: My DC license has Class D, with an Endorsement M, which seems to notch with the expressed wisdom. One person said: "Do what most people in DC do.... ignore it, and go on with business until someone actually confronts you." I heartily disagree for obvious contingency reasons. Insignificant to us, Major "gotcha" to the bureaucrats in troubled times. For a year or two now DC (like VA, I understand) has been offering to give one's license a computer-generated non-socsecno on request. This might be your excuse to yourself to get a new license. Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 --> secure socially (with key absent) Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 13 00:26:14 2000 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA24898 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 00:26:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA01655 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 00:26:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from web301.mail.yahoo.com (web301.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.232]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id AAA01035 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 00:26:10 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 26945 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Jan 2000 05:26:09 -0000 Message-ID: <20000113052609.26944.qmail@web301.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.213.156.121] by web301.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 21:26:09 PST Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 21:26:09 -0800 (PST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: M-Class License To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Ewwwww ICK!!! ;-) I guess it takes all types though...If everyone preferred BFE like me, it wouldn't be the country any more :) Seriously though, you may try going in to get a "duplicate" license, saying you lost your wallet with the old one or something.. and hopefully the M endorsement shows up on the new one.... ANd if they try to hand you a new one without it, then you get to have fun raising a fuss saying your old one had it.. then when the drone tells you there isn't anything they can do, you get to raise an even bigger fuss and request they get there supervisor immediately...lol can you tell I actually have fun pestering places like the DMV!! And when the supervisor tries to say the computer doesn't show them, continue making the fuss, and tell them you've been riding one for X number years and all your other licenses have hd the proper endorsement :) In the end you still may have to go through the humdrum, but at least you will have the satisfaction that you got to annoy the shit out of the DMV folks for a while ;-) Collin (Double ick!! It's snowing like crazy here... boo hoo) Marcy wrote: no way man. I like being downtown. If I move out it'll be to LA or NYC. :D Marcy In a message dated 1/12/00 10:09:06 AM, dhallis@XXXXXX writes: << Move out of the district. >> ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 13 01:17:04 2000 Return-Path: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from imo26.mx.aol.com (imo26.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.70]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA25728 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 01:17:03 -0500 (EST) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.6.) id h.40.614a99 (4443); Thu, 13 Jan 2000 01:15:58 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <40.614a99.25aec79e@aol.com> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 01:15:58 EST Subject: Re: M-Class License To: jnewman@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 146 sounds good to me! :D marcy In a message dated 1/12/00 12:03:07 PM, jnewman@XXXXXX writes: << Do what most people in DC do.... ignore it, and go on with business until someone actually confronts you. -John "creativity is a spice of life" Newman >> From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 13 06:37:49 2000 Return-Path: Glenn.Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc014.hqda.pentagon.mil ([134.11.235.13]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA02155 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 06:37:42 -0500 (EST) Received: by emh1.hqda.pentagon.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 06:37:10 -0500 Message-ID: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46F03A7BB55@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" To: "'Gary Foreman'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Suzuki Riders...you now have another choice! Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 06:37:12 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) I got the flyer from them just the other day. I suppose since Coleman can't carry them anymore they were able to pick up the license or franchise or whatever its called. Glenn -----Original Message----- >Loudoun Motor sports in Leesburg VA is now an authorized Suzuki dealership >if you hadn't heard. From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 13 07:10:49 2000 Return-Path: Glenn.Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc014.hqda.pentagon.mil ([134.11.235.13]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA02918 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 07:10:34 -0500 (EST) Received: by emh1.hqda.pentagon.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 07:09:58 -0500 Message-ID: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46F03A7BB5A@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" To: "'Kirt S.'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Suzuki Riders...you now have another choice! Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 07:09:59 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) You seem shocked, it sounds pretty typical of CPS and their staff. And yes the TL1000 is quite a beast and definitely way to much for a beginner rider. Ever for an intermediate or seasoned rider the TL1000 is alot of bike to handle IMO. Glenn -----Original Message----- The sales guys at Coleman make me laugh. I was in there breifly yesterday, eyeballing that crazy orange F4. This dude, lookin like the typical dc squid /ruff ryder, is in there checking out bikes. He comes over looking at the F4. We converse, says he's looking to get his first motorcycle, a sportbike... He likes the orange F4. Enter CPS sales staff stage right... salesman asks him some questions, convinces this guy that he wants to wheelie like the guys in the videos on MTV, and goes over and starts showing this guy a fucking TL1000R. HELLO....FIRST BIKE. I don't think a TL1000 is a great place to start off on. He was also tlaking about wheelies with this guy and how he won't want a little bike cuz he'll outgrow it quickly. my ass... Kirt "f 'em" From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 13 07:46:51 2000 Return-Path: Randy.Moran@XXXXXX Received: from mailhub1.trw.com (mailhub1.TRW.COM [129.193.4.4]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA03921 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 07:46:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from [129.193.4.9] by mailhub1.trw.com for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 04:46:20 -0800 Received: from RESVA-MS6 ([158.114.112.204]) by navieg1.trw.com (Norton AntiVirus for Internet Email Gateways 1.0) ; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 12:46:20 0000 (GMT) Received: from trw.com ([129.193.160.238]) by RESVA-MS6; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 07:46:09 -0500 Message-Id: <387DBCDA.7DB391F8@trw.com> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 07:54:07 -0400 From: Randy Moran Reply-To: Randy Moran Organization: TRW X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: For Sale - '92 Suzuki Bandit 400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes, once again I'm selling the Bandit, but this time there's a twist! I've recently determined that the old horse is suffering from a bent shift fork. The symptom is an abrupt "skip" in second gear under hard acceleration. It doesn't pop out of gear, it just skips once like it wants to. The fix involves splitting the cases, a task I have neither the talent nor desire to undertake. I took the bike to Cyclesport in Herndon to get an estimate for repair and was saddened to hear $1,100 (mostly labor). Ouch. In good shape it's worth around $2100, and mine is in very good cosmetic condition, w/ the hard-to-find solo tail piece. I installed a new chain and sprockets in September and I've put around 300 miles on it since then. In spite of the transmission problem, the bike is very ridable and would make a good commuter. Several people have expressed interest in the Bandit on group rides, and if you ever wanted a really neat 400, here's your chance. $1000 for a beautiful bike that you only have to fix if you really want to. 4 cyl, 400cc, 14,000rpm red line, 55hp red bone stock w/ tail section shop manual Email me if you're interested. Here's a picture: http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Rapids/1247/images/bandi4s.jpg -- Randy Moran From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 13 10:07:43 2000 Return-Path: ssmith@XXXXXX Received: from bpexchange.dcscorp.com (bpexchange.dcscorp.com [204.7.239.11]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA06180 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 10:07:42 -0500 (EST) Received: by bpexchange.dcscorp.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 10:08:16 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Smith, Steven" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Gubmint Jobs Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 10:08:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" There are aspects of both frustration and despair to any discussion concerning government and the quality of service provided to those of us paying their wages. Operations which interact directly with the public exhibit widely varying quality from state to state and municipality to municipality. I haven't lived for very many years in Virginia, but I have found service at the DMV to be better than average when considering similar functions in Missouri, Oklahoma, Kentucky, Georgia, Arkansas, Kansas, Texas, Illinois, California, Nevada, and Michigan. That stated, I also have personal knowledge of bribery accomplishing exactly the same thing (in the majority of those places) normally accomplished by hours of form-filling, line-standing, and test-taking culminating in wallet-lightening. Just a little joke on those of us playing by the rules, practicing responsibility, and trying to validate our citizenship in worthwhile ways. <<...>> Mr. Crash Happy sez: "Endeavor to persevere." mrcrashhappy@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 13 10:28:22 2000 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA06494 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 10:28:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA05344 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 10:28:18 -0500 (EST) From: Jeannette.Zell@XXXXXX Received: from 172.16.2.37 (user252.shawpittman.com [208.200.185.252]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA16124 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 10:28:17 -0500 (EST) Received: by 172.16.2.37(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 85256865.00556DE7 ; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 10:33:06 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SPPT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256865.00556D37.00@172.16.2.37> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 10:21:20 -0500 Subject: Puppies Puppies and More Puppies!! (Non-Moto) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Thomas and I are currently awaiting the birth of our Hera's puppies. She has at least 8, we found out. If you are interested in bringing a pure-bred puppy home, take a look at my website and shoot me an e-mail off-list. Thanks! - Jeannette '86 VFR 700F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 13 10:38:56 2000 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA06658 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 10:38:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA05408 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 10:38:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from portal1.visa.com (portal1.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA19177 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 10:38:48 -0500 (EST) Received: by portal1.visa.com id HAA18253 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 4.2 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Thu, 13 Jan 2000 07:38:42 -0800 Received: by portal1.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Thu, 13 Jan 2000 07:38:42 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Puppies Puppies and More Puppies!! (Non-Moto) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 07:38:39 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >Thomas and I are currently awaiting the birth of our Hera's puppies. >If you are interested in bringing a pure-bred puppy >home, take a look at my website and shoot me an e-mail off-list. I can't believe that you're using this illustrious forum to try and get rid of excess puppies!!!! I'm shocked and idignant and I have 4 cute cuddly kittens that are almost ready to leave mom that will be available soon for a loving home and/or homes. E-mail me off list, etc. Michael J '93 GSX 1100G '86 SRX-6 fertile female cat From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 13 11:14:29 2000 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA07276 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 11:14:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA05575 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 11:14:09 -0500 (EST) From: Jeannette.Zell@XXXXXX Received: from 172.16.2.37 (user252.shawpittman.com [208.200.185.252]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA00403 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 11:14:08 -0500 (EST) Received: by 172.16.2.37(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 85256865.00599C98 ; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 11:18:47 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SPPT To: "Jordan, Michael" cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256865.00599BAB.00@172.16.2.37> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 11:06:59 -0500 Subject: RE: Puppies Puppies and More Puppies!! (Non-Moto) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Getting rid of them!?? Shoot, I'd keep 'em all if I could!!! I love pups! : ) ...oh, and I have 2 cats too! (spayed, though) : ) - Jeannette '86 VFR 700F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 "Jordan, Michael" on 01/13/2000 10:38:39 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: Subject: RE: Puppies Puppies and More Puppies!! (Non-Moto) >Thomas and I are currently awaiting the birth of our Hera's puppies. >If you are interested in bringing a pure-bred puppy >home, take a look at my website and shoot me an e-mail off-list. I can't believe that you're using this illustrious forum to try and get rid of excess puppies!!!! I'm shocked and idignant and I have 4 cute cuddly kittens that are almost ready to leave mom that will be available soon for a loving home and/or homes. E-mail me off list, etc. Michael J '93 GSX 1100G '86 SRX-6 fertile female cat From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 13 11:30:09 2000 Return-Path: pawilson@XXXXXX Received: from mail.digizen.net (mail.digizen.net [209.194.78.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA07643 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 11:30:03 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200001131630.LAA07643@meretrix.com> Received: (qmail 26388 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2000 16:30:50 -0000 Received: from ppp1-205.digizen.net (HELO palladio) (209.194.78.205) by mail.digizen.net with SMTP; 13 Jan 2000 16:30:50 -0000 From: "Paul A. Wilson" To: Subject: Re: M-Class License Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 11:25:25 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, I wouldn't just ignore it if you don't have the "M" endorsement. If you move to another jurisdiction, you may have to go through a lot of rigmarole (written test and safety course since some states require a MSF based safety course for all new riders) to get your endorsement on your new license. Paul Wilson Washington DC ---------- > From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX > To: jnewman@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: M-Class License > Date: Thursday, January 13, 2000 1:15 AM > > > sounds good to me! :D > marcy > > In a message dated 1/12/00 12:03:07 PM, jnewman@XXXXXX writes: > > << Do what most people in DC do.... ignore it, and go on with > business until someone actually confronts you. > > -John "creativity is a spice of life" Newman >> From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 13 12:09:12 2000 Return-Path: dhallis@XXXXXX Received: from hotmail.com (law-f105.hotmail.com [209.185.131.168]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA08269 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 12:09:10 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 91343 invoked by uid 0); 13 Jan 2000 17:08:38 -0000 Message-ID: <20000113170838.91342.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 204.193.255.42 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 09:08:38 PST X-Originating-IP: [204.193.255.42] From: "Doug Allis" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Suzuki Riders...you now have another choice! Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 09:08:38 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Just two words: Darwin's Theory. >From: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" >To: "'Kirt S.'" , "'DC Cycles'" >Subject: RE: Suzuki Riders...you now have another choice! >Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 07:09:59 -0500 > >You seem shocked, it sounds pretty typical of CPS and their staff. And yes >the TL1000 is quite a beast and definitely way to much for a beginner >rider. >Ever for an intermediate or seasoned rider the TL1000 is alot of bike to >handle IMO. > >Glenn > >-----Original Message----- > >The sales guys at Coleman make me laugh. I was in there breifly yesterday, >eyeballing that crazy orange F4. This dude, lookin like the typical dc >squid /ruff ryder, is in there checking out bikes. He comes over looking >at >the F4. We converse, says he's looking to get his first motorcycle, a >sportbike... He likes the orange F4. Enter CPS sales staff stage right... >salesman asks him some questions, convinces this guy that he wants to >wheelie like the guys in the videos on MTV, and goes over and starts >showing >this guy a fucking TL1000R. HELLO....FIRST BIKE. I don't think a TL1000 >is >a great place to start off on. He was also tlaking about wheelies with >this >guy and how he won't want a little bike cuz he'll outgrow it quickly. my >ass... > >Kirt >"f 'em" > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 13 12:15:58 2000 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from beta.mcit.com (omzrelay02.mcit.com [199.249.19.244]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA08427 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 12:15:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38417) id <0FOA00601ADTI8@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 17:10:55 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com ([166.37.172.6]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38417) with ESMTP id <0FOA00FHCADSZ8@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 17:10:41 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzmta01.mcit.com (omzmta01.mcit.com [166.37.194.119]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id RAA09225 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 17:05:35 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.36.176.174]) by omzmta01.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <20000113171040.SBHW8286@toddnt> for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 17:10:40 +0000 Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 12:07:32 -0500 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: M-Class License In-reply-to: <200001131630.LAA07643@meretrix.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <000201bf5de8$ae3380f0$aeb024a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal For those interested, an argument against the state making it a crime for you to travel common/public highways if you are NOT licensed. That goes for the lack of "proper" endorsements. http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~karl/govt/driver/driver.html Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul A. Wilson [mailto:pawilson@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2000 11:25 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: M-Class License > > > Well, I wouldn't just ignore it if you don't have the "M" endorsement. If > you move to another jurisdiction, you may have to go through a lot of > rigmarole (written test and safety course since some states require a MSF > based safety course for all new riders) to get your endorsement > on your new > license. > > Paul Wilson > Washington DC > > ---------- > > From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX > > To: jnewman@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Re: M-Class License > > Date: Thursday, January 13, 2000 1:15 AM > > > > > > sounds good to me! :D > > marcy > > > > In a message dated 1/12/00 12:03:07 PM, jnewman@XXXXXX writes: > > > > << Do what most people in DC do.... ignore it, and go on with > > business until someone actually confronts you. > > > > -John "creativity is a spice of life" Newman >> > From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 13 12:20:11 2000 Return-Path: ksenser@XXXXXX Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA08514 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 12:20:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from techsup-gw.spg.va.rcn.net ([207.172.7.13] helo=wsdellu9wly) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 128nuI-000252-00; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 12:19:34 -0500 Message-ID: <004501bf5dea$1053efd0$bb5e800a@wsdellu9wly.spg.va.corp.rcn.net> From: "Kirt S." To: "Doug Allis" , Subject: Re: Suzuki Riders...you now have another choice! Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 12:17:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 true...but Darwinism was forced upon this poor boy. Granted, it could be argued that he's too dumb to know better, and thusly should be eliminated. Regardless...CPS sucks. Kirt -----Original Message----- From: Doug Allis To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thursday, January 13, 2000 12:15 PM Subject: RE: Suzuki Riders...you now have another choice! >Just two words: Darwin's Theory. > > >>From: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" >>To: "'Kirt S.'" , "'DC Cycles'" >>Subject: RE: Suzuki Riders...you now have another choice! >>Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 07:09:59 -0500 >> >>You seem shocked, it sounds pretty typical of CPS and their staff. And yes >>the TL1000 is quite a beast and definitely way to much for a beginner >>rider. >>Ever for an intermediate or seasoned rider the TL1000 is alot of bike to >>handle IMO. >> >>Glenn >> >>-----Original Message----- >> >>The sales guys at Coleman make me laugh. I was in there breifly yesterday, >>eyeballing that crazy orange F4. This dude, lookin like the typical dc >>squid /ruff ryder, is in there checking out bikes. He comes over looking >>at >>the F4. We converse, says he's looking to get his first motorcycle, a >>sportbike... He likes the orange F4. Enter CPS sales staff stage right... >>salesman asks him some questions, convinces this guy that he wants to >>wheelie like the guys in the videos on MTV, and goes over and starts >>showing >>this guy a fucking TL1000R. HELLO....FIRST BIKE. I don't think a TL1000 >>is >>a great place to start off on. He was also tlaking about wheelies with >>this >>guy and how he won't want a little bike cuz he'll outgrow it quickly. my >>ass... >> >>Kirt >>"f 'em" >> > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 13 12:21:00 2000 Return-Path: dhallis@XXXXXX Received: from hotmail.com (law-f80.hotmail.com [209.185.131.143]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA08533 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 12:20:58 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 72829 invoked by uid 0); 13 Jan 2000 17:20:25 -0000 Message-ID: <20000113172025.72828.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 204.193.255.42 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 09:20:25 PST X-Originating-IP: [204.193.255.42] From: "Doug Allis" To: bhuson@XXXXXX, cambion@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: M-Class License Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 09:20:25 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I can confirm this. >From: Bill Huson >To: cambion >CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: M-Class License >Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 15:51:00 -0500 > >Yes, both car and M/C. The M is an *endorsement*, as in an extra privilage >allowed >above operating a passenger vehilce/light truck. > >Bill > >cambion wrote: > > > While we're on the subject maybe someone with a VA license can clear > > something up for me. About 4-5 months ago I went to the DMV to get a > > class M endorsment added to my normal (car) driver's license. After the > > standard paperwork and waiting ritual I recieved a new license .. Class >M. > > I immediately questioned the person at the counter, explaining that I > > needed a license for both a car AND a motorcycle. She assured me that >the > > Class M license covered both. This definately did not sound right to >me, > > so I asked that she double check this. She asked the person working the > > station next to hers and they agreed that the Class M covered both. At > > that point I said "Okay" and off I went and I really haven't bothered to > > think much about it since then. However, this thread has renewed my > > concerns about my own situation. Can anyone tell me with certainty >wether > > or not what the folks at the DMV told me was correct or not? > > > > Thanks! > > Mike > > > > On Wed, 12 Jan 2000 jnewman@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > > > > > I just got transferred my license from VA to DC about 5 months > > > ago ( after living in DC for about two years) and only have a class > > > "M" endorsement on my license. When I was at the counter, I > > > noticed the lady only gave me the endorsement for a car, and I > > > pointed out that on my VA license I had both the car and > > > motorcycle endorsement. She looked at it and said " oh yea, the > > > "M" means motorcycle...." Uh, yes. She then assigned me just > > > the class "M" endorsement and reviewed my paperwork for both > > > my car and motorcycle. I don't have a "C" ( which one can > > > conclude also covers motorcycles), just the "M" ( which one can > > > conclude excludes cars! ). I don't see any problem with this, and > > > if I am ever questioned, my defense would be "why was I issued > > > plates, a new title, assessed taxes, and a parking sticker for my > > > car, when the new license clearly had an "M" on it? > > > > > > In my point of view, you are in a better situation than I, because > > > you have a "D" which also covers an "N"...which is good for a > > > "motor driven cycle" which is also referred to as a "motorcycle" > > > See how that works? neat huh? > > > > > > Do what most people in DC do.... ignore it, and go on with > > > business until someone actually confronts you. > > > > > > -John "creativity is a spice of life" Newman > > > > > > 88 FZR 400 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX > > > Date sent: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 00:00:59 EST > > > Subject: M-Class License > > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > > > > > I just noticed today, that my DC drivers license, which USED to have a >little > > > "M" class on it, now mysteriously only has a "D" (which is the normal >car > > > license). I suspect an error was made the last time I renewed it but >it was a > > > LOOOOOONNNNNGGGGGG time ago. > > > > > > Anybody have any thoughts as to how I can fix this without having to >take the > > > damn driving and written tests? argh! > > > > > > Marcy > > > > > > > > > > -- > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Cambion --- Cambion@XXXXXX --- ICQ: 212086 > > --- http://www.blood-dance.net/hls/cambion > > --- Internet Systems Engineer - UUNET, an MCI Worldcom >Company > > > > - Remember you don't really own anything you can't carry at a dead run. > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 13 12:28:30 2000 Return-Path: CWeaver@XXXXXX Received: from exchange.apscare.com ([38.201.180.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA08657 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 12:28:29 -0500 (EST) Received: by EXCHANGE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 12:29:00 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Weaver, Chris" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Suzuki Riders...you now have another choice! Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 12:28:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain I disagree. The buyer in this story doesn't have any idea what the 'right' bike is for him. This is not due to stupidity or poor genetic makeup, but rather a simple lack of experience. While I don't (by a long shot) expect bike dealers to be the conscience of the biking community, I think that blatantly misleading new bikers is dangerous and morally reprehensible. Coleman Powersports has shown time and time again that they have no scruples and will do and say anything in order to rip off their customers. This is why I will never buy a bike from Coleman. It's just too bad that new riders have to learn this the hard way. Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 > -----Original Message----- > From: Doug Allis [SMTP:dhallis@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2000 12:09 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Suzuki Riders...you now have another choice! > > Just two words: Darwin's Theory. > > > >From: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" > >To: "'Kirt S.'" , "'DC Cycles'" > > >Subject: RE: Suzuki Riders...you now have another choice! > >Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 07:09:59 -0500 > > > >You seem shocked, it sounds pretty typical of CPS and their staff. And > yes > >the TL1000 is quite a beast and definitely way to much for a beginner > >rider. > >Ever for an intermediate or seasoned rider the TL1000 is alot of bike to > >handle IMO. > > > >Glenn > > > >-----Original Message----- > > > >The sales guys at Coleman make me laugh. I was in there breifly > yesterday, > >eyeballing that crazy orange F4. This dude, lookin like the typical dc > >squid /ruff ryder, is in there checking out bikes. He comes over looking > > >at > >the F4. We converse, says he's looking to get his first motorcycle, a > >sportbike... He likes the orange F4. Enter CPS sales staff stage > right... > >salesman asks him some questions, convinces this guy that he wants to > >wheelie like the guys in the videos on MTV, and goes over and starts > >showing > >this guy a fucking TL1000R. HELLO....FIRST BIKE. I don't think a TL1000 > > >is > >a great place to start off on. He was also tlaking about wheelies with > >this > >guy and how he won't want a little bike cuz he'll outgrow it quickly. my > >ass... > > > >Kirt > >"f 'em" > > > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 13 12:35:39 2000 Return-Path: dhallis@XXXXXX Received: from hotmail.com (law-f203.hotmail.com [209.185.130.113]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA08841 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 12:35:36 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 74054 invoked by uid 0); 13 Jan 2000 17:35:03 -0000 Message-ID: <20000113173503.74052.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 204.193.255.42 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 09:35:03 PST X-Originating-IP: [204.193.255.42] From: "Doug Allis" To: ksenser@XXXXXX, dhallis@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Suzuki Riders...you now have another choice! Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 09:35:03 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I would say that anyone who walks into any motorcycle dealership and gets talked into looking at a 1000 cc bike as a "first bike" is going to win the Darwin Award. But I belive that he must actually kill himself before he actually gets the Award. If the guys been riding his buddy's big bore sportie, then he may be able to handle it. But it sure SOUNDS like this guy's a future winner! :-) >From: "Kirt S." >To: "Doug Allis" , >Subject: Re: Suzuki Riders...you now have another choice! >Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 12:17:26 -0500 > >true...but Darwinism was forced upon this poor boy. Granted, it could be >argued that he's too dumb to know better, and thusly should be eliminated. >Regardless...CPS sucks. > >Kirt > >-----Original Message----- >From: Doug Allis >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Date: Thursday, January 13, 2000 12:15 PM >Subject: RE: Suzuki Riders...you now have another choice! > > > >Just two words: Darwin's Theory. > > > > > >>From: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" > >>To: "'Kirt S.'" , "'DC Cycles'" > > >>Subject: RE: Suzuki Riders...you now have another choice! > >>Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 07:09:59 -0500 > >> > >>You seem shocked, it sounds pretty typical of CPS and their staff. And >yes > >>the TL1000 is quite a beast and definitely way to much for a beginner > >>rider. > >>Ever for an intermediate or seasoned rider the TL1000 is alot of bike to > >>handle IMO. > >> > >>Glenn > >> > >>-----Original Message----- > >> > >>The sales guys at Coleman make me laugh. I was in there breifly >yesterday, > >>eyeballing that crazy orange F4. This dude, lookin like the typical dc > >>squid /ruff ryder, is in there checking out bikes. He comes over >looking > >>at > >>the F4. We converse, says he's looking to get his first motorcycle, a > >>sportbike... He likes the orange F4. Enter CPS sales staff stage >right... > >>salesman asks him some questions, convinces this guy that he wants to > >>wheelie like the guys in the videos on MTV, and goes over and starts > >>showing > >>this guy a fucking TL1000R. HELLO....FIRST BIKE. I don't think a >TL1000 > >>is > >>a great place to start off on. He was also tlaking about wheelies with > >>this > >>guy and how he won't want a little bike cuz he'll outgrow it quickly. >my > >>ass... > >> > >>Kirt > >>"f 'em" > >> > > > >______________________________________________________ > >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 13 12:40:55 2000 Return-Path: ph@XXXXXX Received: from pine.eainet.com (root@XXXXXX [206.136.246.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA08886 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 12:40:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from oak (ph@XXXXXX [206.136.246.2]) by pine.eainet.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA10763; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 12:40:47 -0500 Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 12:40:46 -0500 (EST) From: Peter Hartzler To: Todd Peer cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: M-Class License In-Reply-To: <000201bf5de8$ae3380f0$aeb024a6@toddnt.mcit.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Drivers' licenses may be unconstitutional... Now that *is* interesting. A bit long, but interesting. Of course, if ever the practice of a regular driver's license were to be abolished, the insurance companies would step in and finagle things so you'd need one anyhow... This is a great thread! I got a chuckle out of the imagery of everybody diving for their wallet to check their endorsements at about the same time as this thread started (I did anyhow)... Pete. On Thu, 13 Jan 2000, Todd Peer wrote: > For those interested, an argument against the state making it a crime for > you to travel common/public highways if you are NOT licensed. That goes for > the lack of "proper" endorsements. > > http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~karl/govt/driver/driver.html > > Todd From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 13 12:50:16 2000 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA09149 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 12:50:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA06863 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 12:50:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from idalee.loudoun.com (idalee.loudoun.com [208.232.169.21]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA00195 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 12:50:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from lcsa3 (mail.lcsa.org) by idalee.loudoun.com (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1998.11.13.11.10) with SMTP id <0FOA00F58C6D7H@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 12:49:27 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 12:47:33 -0500 From: Gary Foreman Subject: RE: TL1000 for a first bike? In-reply-to: <004501bf5dea$1053efd0$bb5e800a@wsdellu9wly.spg.va.corp.rcn.net> To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Message-id: <026c01bf5dee$45094be0$1700a8c0@loudoun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Okay, I think the TL1000 would be an excellent first bike...that way I'd have more choices for salvage parts if I need them :-) Just kidding...but an SV650 (mini TL) WOULD be a good choice! > -----Original Message----- > From: Kirt S. [mailto:ksenser@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2000 12:17 PM > To: Doug Allis; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Suzuki Riders...you now have another choice! > > > true...but Darwinism was forced upon this poor boy. Granted, it could be > argued that he's too dumb to know better, and thusly should be eliminated. > Regardless...CPS sucks. > > Kirt > > -----Original Message----- > From: Doug Allis > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Date: Thursday, January 13, 2000 12:15 PM > Subject: RE: Suzuki Riders...you now have another choice! > > > >Just two words: Darwin's Theory. > > > > > >>From: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" > >>To: "'Kirt S.'" , "'DC Cycles'" > > >>Subject: RE: Suzuki Riders...you now have another choice! > >>Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 07:09:59 -0500 > >> > >>You seem shocked, it sounds pretty typical of CPS and their staff. And > yes > >>the TL1000 is quite a beast and definitely way to much for a beginner > >>rider. > >>Ever for an intermediate or seasoned rider the TL1000 is alot of bike to > >>handle IMO. > >> > >>Glenn > >> > >>-----Original Message----- > >> > >>The sales guys at Coleman make me laugh. I was in there breifly > yesterday, > >>eyeballing that crazy orange F4. This dude, lookin like the typical dc > >>squid /ruff ryder, is in there checking out bikes. He comes > over looking > >>at > >>the F4. We converse, says he's looking to get his first motorcycle, a > >>sportbike... He likes the orange F4. Enter CPS sales staff stage > right... > >>salesman asks him some questions, convinces this guy that he wants to > >>wheelie like the guys in the videos on MTV, and goes over and starts > >>showing > >>this guy a fucking TL1000R. HELLO....FIRST BIKE. I don't > think a TL1000 > >>is > >>a great place to start off on. He was also tlaking about wheelies with > >>this > >>guy and how he won't want a little bike cuz he'll outgrow it > quickly. my > >>ass... > >> > >>Kirt > >>"f 'em" > >> > > > >______________________________________________________ > >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 13 13:40:14 2000 Return-Path: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA10023 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 13:40:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va11-16.ix.netcom.com [207.223.177.208]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA17258; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 13:40:10 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <387E46CB.5FFED534@ix.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 13:42:35 -0800 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles CC: Danny Thompson Subject: Looking for trailer Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm taking the Level One California Superbike School class at Virginia International Raceway on Friday, May 19th. Will be riding my own m/c. Am looking for a trailer I can borrow/rent, preferably one for two bikes. At the moment, Danny Thompson and I are planning on driving down together. Oh ya, a '99 Izusu Trooper will be doing the towing. Plan to go down to VIR on Thursday, May 18th. Don't know if we'll return right after class on the 19th or wait until Saturday. Thanx! Chuck Pena Arlington, VA '93 GSXR 750 http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Lagoon/5098/gixxer.htm From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 13 14:39:40 2000 Return-Path: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (imo18.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.8]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA11092 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 14:39:39 -0500 (EST) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.6.) id u.8b.af446b (3967); Thu, 13 Jan 2000 14:39:01 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <8b.af446b.25af83d4@aol.com> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 14:39:00 EST Subject: Re: Looking for trailer To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX CC: dthompso1@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 20 Chuck - I'm going down for both days, and am currently signed up to use their bike due to slots not being available to use my race bike. I would be more than happy to haul you and Danny's bikes down with me as I have a 5x8 enclosed trailer that I regularly haul two bikes in. Even if someone were to drop out and i get to use my own bike, I can put one of the bikes in the bed of my truck (We hauled three bikes like this to the GNF at Road Atlanta this year, no problem) Anyway, let me know - Danny knows me as well. - Brian Roach From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 13 14:55:38 2000 Return-Path: rmeyer@XXXXXX Received: from mail2.mgfairfax.rr.com (fe2.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA11413 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 14:55:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from VIRGINIA ([24.28.208.42]) by mail2.mgfairfax.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.197.19); Thu, 13 Jan 2000 14:55:07 -0500 Reply-To: From: "RMeyer" To: Subject: RE: M-Class License Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 14:53:47 -0500 Message-ID: <000301bf5dff$e7db0f00$0300a8c0@VIRGINIA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-reply-to: <000201bf5de8$ae3380f0$aeb024a6@toddnt.mcit.com> X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Importance: Normal > > For those interested, an argument against the state making it a crime for > you to travel common/public highways if you are NOT licensed. > That goes for > the lack of "proper" endorsements. > > http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~karl/govt/driver/driver.html > > Todd Better be prepared to spend a lot of money on a lawyer and appeals court fees if you're going to try to use this argument around here. The traffic court judges'll laugh you out of court, I suspect. In The Wind, Bob Meyer 1992 ST1100 (Red STag), STOC #1157 ============================================= People are more violently opposed to fur than leather, because it's safer to pick on rich women than biker gangs. > From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 13 16:16:06 2000 Return-Path: mharrell@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA12901 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 16:16:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from cj30520-a.manss1.va.home.com (IDENT:65005@XXXXXX [24.7.169.75]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id QAA13792 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 16:16:02 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 5057 invoked by uid 48381); 13 Jan 2000 21:14:52 -0000 Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 16:14:52 -0500 From: Matthew Harrell To: DC Cycles List Subject: Wind Message-ID: <20000113161452.A4875@bittwiddlers.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i Boy was that an adrenaline rush. I never bothered to check the weather forecast this morning for high winds and I think I left work during the worst of them. The VFR certainly acts like a wind sail and on the flat parts of 495 and the Fairfax County Parkway I was blown all over the place. Luckily the only near problem I had was a bus that got blown into my lane but it was easily avoided. I can see why I didn't see more than one or two other bikes out there. Of course it would have been a pain in a car too since two of the back roads I take were closed from trees. I took me twice as a long to get home as it normally does. Anyway, I'm rambling but happy to be home. -- Matthew Harrell Beauty is in the eye of the beer Bit Twiddlers, Inc. holder. mharrell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 13 17:06:02 2000 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA14000 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 17:06:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay03.mcit.com (omzrelay03.mcit.com [199.249.19.245]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id RAA21184 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 17:05:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-29 #38418) id <0FOA00801MJYFP@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 21:54:05 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com ([166.37.204.49]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-29 #38418) with ESMTP id <0FOA0067QMVK73@XXXXXX>; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 21:40:33 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzmta01.mcit.com (omzmta01.mcit.com [166.37.194.119]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id VAA03881; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 21:40:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.36.176.174]) by omzmta01.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <20000113214027.VDIM8286@toddnt>; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 21:40:27 +0000 Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 16:37:18 -0500 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: Wind In-reply-to: <20000113161452.A4875@bittwiddlers.com> To: Matthew Harrell , DC Cycles List Message-id: <000701bf5e0e$5d898570$aeb024a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal So, you say it's windy out there huh? > -----Original Message----- > From: Matthew Harrell [mailto:mharrell@XXXXXX] > > Boy was that an adrenaline rush. ...... > The VFR certainly acts like a wind sail and on the flat parts of > 495 and the > Fairfax County Parkway I was blown all over the place. ...... > Anyway, I'm rambling but happy to be home. > > -- From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 13 17:13:14 2000 Return-Path: mharrell@XXXXXX Received: from cj30520-a.manss1.va.home.com (65005@XXXXXX [24.7.169.75]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA14129 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 17:13:13 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 7775 invoked by uid 48381); 13 Jan 2000 22:12:54 -0000 Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 17:12:54 -0500 From: Matthew Harrell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Wind Message-ID: <20000113171254.A7717@bittwiddlers.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i : So, you say it's windy out there huh? It was. It feels like it's calmed down somewhat. Nothing like driving along at 60 mph and having the bike suddenly cant over 20 degrees to compensate for the cross winds. -- Matthew Harrell You're just jealous because the Bit Twiddlers, Inc. voices only talk to me. mharrell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 13 17:48:02 2000 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA14856 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 17:47:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id RAA26929 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 17:47:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from iguana (209-122-212-113.s621.tnt6.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com [209.122.212.113]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA30298; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 17:47:18 -0500 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000113174553.0094af00@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 17:47:15 -0500 To: Matthew Harrell From: Mike T Subject: Re: Wind Cc: DC Cycles List In-Reply-To: <20000113161452.A4875@bittwiddlers.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 04:14 PM 1/13/2000 , Matthew Harrell wrote: >Boy was that an adrenaline rush. I never bothered to check the weather >forecast >this morning for high winds and I think I left work during the worst of them. >The VFR certainly acts like a wind sail and on the flat parts of 495 and the >Fairfax County Parkway I was blown all over the place. Luckily the only >near problem I had was a bus that got blown into my lane but it was easily >avoided. I can see why I didn't see more than one or two other bikes out >there. I would agree....the VFR does not like wind. I checked the forecast last night on NWS, but didn't see the wind advisory. No problems, but a few curves scared the living crap out of me. _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 13 17:55:14 2000 Return-Path: mobacc@XXXXXX Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA15034 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 17:55:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from newmicronpc (dialas-142.knight-hub.com [205.252.164.142]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA23820 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 17:54:29 -0500 Message-ID: <004a01bf5e19$2993ab00$a4a4fccd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "Dc Cycles" Subject: Advanced Rider Class Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 17:54:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0047_01BF5DEF.39D524A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0047_01BF5DEF.39D524A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: "Mark Kitchell" If anyone is interested, I signed up for the Advanced Rider Training on April 16th at the Loudon NOVA Campus. Its $55. Any idea what to expect from this class? Mark ****** Relax and enjoy -- it's a day of derusting -- 1/2 class-1/2 riding. If = one took the RSS beginner course, a review of that book will be = satisfying. They mail ahead a checksheet (boots, bike paperwork, etc.) = for 100% adherence. Taking lunch (and water) cuts the noon rush. I'm = down for 4/9. =20 Bill S. / DC=20 99 VN750 --> ERC -- spring leaning Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. ------=_NextPart_000_0047_01BF5DEF.39D524A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0047_01BF5DEF.39D524A0-- From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 13 18:29:47 2000 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA15760 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 18:29:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA09191 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 18:29:44 -0500 (EST) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from imo26.mx.aol.com (imo26.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.70]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA11991 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 18:29:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.6.) id v.e1.2a7d12 (7094) for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 18:29:30 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 18:29:29 EST Subject: looking for pickup :D To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 146 so I can tow my bike myself when it needs to go to the shop .... I'm not in any rush so if you should happen to see a used truck, preferably with room to seat 4, not in too bad shape, maybe in the $3-5000 range????? as long as it won't break down every 3 months ... please let me know off-list. thanks! Marcy jinnsinn@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 13 19:45:47 2000 Return-Path: v4mofo@XXXXXX Received: from c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com (c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com [24.5.28.205]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA17242 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 19:45:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from ts015d40.phx-az.concentric.net [207.155.238.244] by c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 16:45:36 -0800 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: newbie on a liter bike? Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 17:48:48 -0700 Message-ID: <000501bf5e29$1e17a780$f4ee9bcf@tra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal So it's bad for a first time rider to jump on a liter bike? They all end up dead? Or at least in bad accidents.. right? What if there's no helmet law, no insurance requirements and friends who all have experience and also ride liter bikes? Sounds like a recipie for disaster, right? Well... I'm still here. First bike, an ex-racer '83 CB1100F - didn't have insurance or wear a helmet for at least 6 months, rutinely went over 100mph... Guess Darwin doesn't claim them all... or I'm on borrowed time. Cheers.. Brian (not really all that much of an exception) McCoy From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 13 19:50:02 2000 Return-Path: jay.stpeter@XXXXXX Received: from ravinc.ravinc.com (mail.ravinc.com [216.181.133.51]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA17319 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 19:50:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from superj (192.9.200.178) by ravinc.ravinc.com (Worldmail 1.3.167); 13 Jan 2000 19:49:53 -0500 From: "Jay St. Peter" To: Cc: Subject: Re:looking for pickup :D Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 19:51:03 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Marcy, Have you thought about getting a trailer (I'm assuming you have a cage of some sort). It is easier to load a trailer w/the lower height and much cheaper to get a car that'll carry 4 people comfortably. To just haul 1 or 2 bikes, your cage doesn't have to have a very large towing capacity. I've seen racers towing 2 race bikes with Honda CRXs. IMO, the only pickups that can really seat 4 are the new 3-4dr. full size models, and you still can't really put tall people in the back for any distance. The new Nissan Frontier may be a contender, but the bed looked really short (maybe 4ft + some kind of extension cage for the tailgate). I doubt you want to find a parking spot for a heavy-duty crew cab (about 20 ft. long) downtown very often. As for the smaller supercab pickups, those little flip down back seats suck! Pickups also hold their value much better than cars, so for $3-5K you're looking at an old beater. Just thought I'd pass on the reality of pickup truck ownership, although thers nothing else I'd rather have right now. Jay St. Peter '98 F150 supercab (it's nice, but I don't have to sit in the back) donning flame suit, not gonna cross-post this to the F150 list :) From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 13 21:47:33 2000 Return-Path: jay.stpeter@XXXXXX Received: from ravinc.ravinc.com (mail.ravinc.com [216.181.133.51]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA19390 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 21:47:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from stpeter (209.249.181.12) by ravinc.ravinc.com (Worldmail 1.3.167); 13 Jan 2000 21:47:26 -0500 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 21:45:51 -0500 Message-ID: <01BF5E0F.8FBCD1E0.jay.stpeter@ravinc.com> From: "Jay St. Peter" Reply-To: "jay.stpeter@XXXXXX" To: "'v4mofo@XXXXXX'" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re:newbie on a liter bike? Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 21:45:10 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 Encoding: 21 TEXT I agree that a newbie probably shouldn't get a liter bike. But, TL vs. F4, big deal. Racers know that there will be plenty of Honda F?s in the salvage yards within months of their release. I think I've got Brian beat with potential disaster on a first bike. My first bike was a Honda Hurricane 1000 and oh yea, it was jetted for more power (and plastered with no fear stickers). Won all the stoplight contests with my other newbie buddies on 600s and 750s. In our group, it happened that the guy with the 600 is the guy who crashed hard, broke many bones and no longer rides. Of course ... it was a Katana :). I think the attitude of the rider counts more than anything. Wanting to get a liter bike to show off and do wheelies is asking for it. As was my friend who thought the double yellow was "for pussies". I think that sales people should feel moraly obligated to TRY and sell newbies lesser bikes, but if the guy specifically says he wants to do monster wheelies...can't think of much better than a TL. Jay St. Peter From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 13 21:55:42 2000 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA19508 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 21:55:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.40]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 3.4.5) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 21:38:54 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: Subject: RE: newbie on a liter bike? Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 21:45:18 -0500 Message-ID: <001901bf5e39$64de4ba0$6400a8c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: <000501bf5e29$1e17a780$f4ee9bcf@tra> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal My quickest (and smallest) bike was my first one. It was also the worst handling and worst stopping. Go figure. Then there is the HD 1200. Yes, a liter bike, but in the same class as a 996? ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 13 23:16:54 2000 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from web306.mail.yahoo.com (web306.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.237]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA20890 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 23:16:52 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 9778 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Jan 2000 04:16:50 -0000 Message-ID: <20000114041650.9777.qmail@web306.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.213.156.121] by web306.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 20:16:50 PST Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 20:16:50 -0800 (PST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: Gubmint Jobs To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii You've GOT to be kidding me?? I grew up in oklahoma and the absolute longest I ever spent in a tax commision office (what they call our DMV) is about 25-30 minutes, and that is cause I startd chatting with the tag agent :) I suppose if you went into one of the offices in Tulsa, or the metro area, but almost every one of the little podunk towns has one and usually there is no wait and takes about 5 minutes tops.... Collin STeven wrote: I haven't lived for very many years in Virginia, but I have found service at the DMV to be better than average when considering similar functions in Missouri, Oklahoma, . ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 14 01:24:55 2000 Return-Path: arandolph@XXXXXX Received: from mail4.mgfairfax.rr.com (fe4.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.51]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA22893 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 01:24:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from aaronran ([24.28.219.129]) by mail4.mgfairfax.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.197.19); Fri, 14 Jan 2000 01:24:50 -0500 From: "Aaron Randolph" To: Cc: Subject: RE: newbie on a liter bike? Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 01:26:46 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.3825.400 In-reply-to: <01BF5E0F.8FBCD1E0.jay.stpeter@ravinc.com> Importance: Normal Hey! Was that a crack I noticed on the Katana? :P I have a Katana for my first bike and I love the thing. Rode my friends YZF600R and liked the power and all, but I think due to my height I'm better off suited to the Katana. Till my insurance drops and I get a GSXR ;) Aaron Randolph 99 Katana 600 > -----Original Message----- > From: Jay St. Peter [mailto:jay.stpeter@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2000 9:45 PM > To: 'v4mofo@XXXXXX' > Cc: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > Subject: Re:newbie on a liter bike? > > > > I agree that a newbie probably shouldn't get a liter bike. But, > TL vs. F4, > big deal. Racers know that there will be plenty of Honda F?s in the > salvage yards within months of their release. > > I think I've got Brian beat with potential disaster on a first bike. My > first bike was a Honda Hurricane 1000 and oh yea, it was jetted for more > power (and plastered with no fear stickers). Won all the stoplight > contests with my other newbie buddies on 600s and 750s. In our group, it > happened that the guy with the 600 is the guy who crashed hard, > broke many > bones and no longer rides. Of course ... it was a Katana :). > > I think the attitude of the rider counts more than anything. Wanting to > get a liter bike to show off and do wheelies is asking for it. As was my > friend who thought the double yellow was "for pussies". > > I think that sales people should feel moraly obligated to TRY and sell > newbies lesser bikes, but if the guy specifically says he wants to do > monster wheelies...can't think of much better than a TL. > > Jay St. Peter > From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 14 06:49:38 2000 Return-Path: Glenn.Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc014.hqda.pentagon.mil ([134.11.235.13]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA29263 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 06:49:37 -0500 (EST) Received: by emh1.hqda.pentagon.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 06:49:05 -0500 Message-ID: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46F03A7BB71@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" To: "'jay.stpeter@XXXXXX'" , "'v4mofo@XXXXXX'" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: newbie on a liter bike? Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 06:49:06 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) It is, isn't it? ;-) Glenn -----Original Message----- >As was my friend who thought the double yellow was "for pussies". From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 14 08:49:38 2000 Return-Path: Jeannette.Zell@XXXXXX Received: from 172.16.2.37 (user252.shawpittman.com [208.200.185.252]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA01982 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 08:49:36 -0500 (EST) From: Jeannette.Zell@XXXXXX Received: by 172.16.2.37(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 85256866.004C0998 ; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 08:50:31 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SPPT To: "Dc Cycles" Message-ID: <85256866.004C08F3.00@172.16.2.37> Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 08:42:06 -0500 Subject: Bye for Awhile.... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline I'm signing off 'till I start my new job on Tuesday. Feel free to write me at home if anyone wants/needs to. zellto@XXXXXX - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 14 09:42:13 2000 Return-Path: jay.stpeter@XXXXXX Received: from ravinc.ravinc.com (mail.ravinc.com [216.181.133.51]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA03122 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 09:42:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from superj (192.9.200.178) by ravinc.ravinc.com (Worldmail 1.3.167); 14 Jan 2000 09:41:20 -0500 From: "Jay St. Peter" To: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" , Cc: Subject: RE: newbie on a liter bike? Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 09:42:36 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-reply-to: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46F03A7BB71@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> Importance: Normal Well ... yeah, but I do look for trucks first now :) -----Original Message----- From: Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM [mailto:Glenn.Dysart@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, January 14, 2000 3:49 AM To: 'jay.stpeter@XXXXXX'; 'v4mofo@XXXXXX' Cc: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' Subject: RE: newbie on a liter bike? It is, isn't it? ;-) Glenn -----Original Message----- >As was my friend who thought the double yellow was "for pussies". From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 14 10:06:08 2000 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA03828 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 10:06:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA13857 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 10:06:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net (mail.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA26515 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 10:06:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71] by tidalwave.net (SMTPD32-5.05) id AB582E2C0140; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 10:06:00 -0500 From: "Horkster" Reply-To: "Horkster" Date: Fri, 14 Jan 100 10:06:00 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bill and Hill Message-Id: <200001141006556.SM00248@tidalwave.net> ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 17:19:58 EST >Where are you in downtown anyway? I live so close to the White >House that I waver to Bill and Hill everyday. ;-) Do you live within a stone's throw of the White House? If so, the stones are in the mail... :) Horkster -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) Horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi -- From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 14 10:18:03 2000 Return-Path: mjay@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA04002 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 10:18:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from resolver.treev.com ([38.183.229.13]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id KAA19347 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 10:17:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from tralfaz.herndon.treev.com (treev.com [10.1.1.24]) by resolver.treev.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA22310 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 10:17:53 -0500 (EST) Received: by tralfaz.treev.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 10:23:18 -0500 Message-ID: <22F6F36CA6A3D111B95A006097177427018D128C@tralfaz.treev.com> From: Michael Jay To: DC Cycles List Subject: RE: Wind Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 10:23:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Make that #$%$#$%^$% wind. I came home to find my dear ol' Seca blown over on its side much to my sorrow. Last night I thought it had only a broken brake lever and front signal light, but come to find out this mornging that the throttle won't move. I knew something was amiss when I went to reach for the handlebars and my right hand went to grip the throttle and it was not where I expected. Then of course let us not forget the battery warning light, and I hope not too much acid has leaked out onto my bike. I hate winter!!! I hate wind!! If I wanted wind, then I would move back to Oklahoma. Well, engough of my belly aching. Hope you guys have safe and fun rides. I will be in repair mode for a while, Mike Jay '82 XJ750RJ From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 14 12:27:27 2000 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA06128 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 12:27:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA14637 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 12:27:23 -0500 (EST) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (imo19.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.9]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA10308 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 12:27:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo19.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.6.) id g.47.b92749 (4334); Fri, 14 Jan 2000 12:27:14 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <47.b92749.25b0b672@aol.com> Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 12:27:14 EST Subject: Re: Bill and Hill To: horkster@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 38 In a message dated 1/14/2000 10:06:13 AM Eastern Standard Time, horkster@XXXXXX writes: << >Where are you in downtown anyway? I live so close to the White >House that I waver to Bill and Hill everyday. ;-) Do you live within a stone's throw of the White House? If so, the stones are in the mail... :) Horkster >> I'd have to throw it about three times to get there. Or, I could just walk the couple blocks and do it. ;-) Scooter From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 14 13:10:58 2000 Return-Path: pawilson@XXXXXX Received: from mail.digizen.net (mail.digizen.net [209.194.78.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA06807 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 13:10:53 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200001141810.NAA06807@meretrix.com> Received: (qmail 6453 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2000 18:11:33 -0000 Received: from ppp3-127.digizen.net (HELO palladio) (209.194.78.127) by mail.digizen.net with SMTP; 14 Jan 2000 18:11:33 -0000 From: "Paul A. Wilson" To: Cc: Subject: Re: Re:newbie on a liter bike? Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 11:20:27 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ---------- > From: Jay St. Peter > > > I think the attitude of the rider counts more than anything. Wanting to > get a liter bike to show off and do wheelies is asking for it. As was my > friend who thought the double yellow was "for pussies". > > I think that sales people should feel moraly obligated to TRY and sell > newbies lesser bikes, but if the guy specifically says he wants to do > monster wheelies...can't think of much better than a TL. > > Jay St. Peter I'll second the motion about rider attitudes. The conventional wisdom for new riders is "don't buy a bike that's too big, too quick off the line", etc., because it'll just get you "in trouble." Aside from bikes that are simply too tall in the saddle for riders of short stature this is nonsense. If you know the limits of your skills and the characteristics of the bike and act accordingly you can both stay out of trouble and have the machine that you won't outgrow. My attitude is that the rider is in control of the motorcycle and 99.99% of what happens on the road is your responsibility. It's not the bike, not the salesperson, not your riding buddies, not the road conditions, not even the other drivers. At all times you should know what our skill level is, what the bike will do based on certain inputs and what's going on around you (road conditions and traffic). Based on this information you ride within those parameters. No bike big or small ever did anything on its own to get its rider "in trouble." By the way, I don't have a liter bike: I ride a 750. Paul Wilson Washington DC From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 14 13:18:39 2000 Return-Path: dhallis@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA06983 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 13:18:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from hotmail.com (law-f120.hotmail.com [209.185.131.183]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id NAA16196 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 13:18:35 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 76000 invoked by uid 0); 14 Jan 2000 18:18:04 -0000 Message-ID: <20000114181804.75999.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 204.193.255.42 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 10:18:04 PST X-Originating-IP: [204.193.255.42] From: "Doug Allis" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Wind Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 10:18:04 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I rode home on my PC at 10:30 last night. I saw two other crazy bikers, enjoying the wind and cold -- on 395 South near Duke St. Any of you all? The wind didn't bother me too much, but I admit I was underdressed --- NOT prepared for the cold! I was properly dressed this AM for the trip back in though! >From: Matthew Harrell >To: DC Cycles List >Subject: Wind >Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 16:14:52 -0500 > > >Boy was that an adrenaline rush. I never bothered to check the weather >forecast >this morning for high winds and I think I left work during the worst of >them. >The VFR certainly acts like a wind sail and on the flat parts of 495 and >the >Fairfax County Parkway I was blown all over the place. Luckily the only >near problem I had was a bus that got blown into my lane but it was easily >avoided. I can see why I didn't see more than one or two other bikes out >there. > >Of course it would have been a pain in a car too since two of the back >roads >I take were closed from trees. I took me twice as a long to get home as it >normally does. > >Anyway, I'm rambling but happy to be home. > >-- > Matthew Harrell Beauty is in the eye of the >beer > Bit Twiddlers, Inc. holder. > mharrell@XXXXXX ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 14 13:36:18 2000 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA07334 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 13:36:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA15408 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 13:36:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net (mail.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA29778 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 13:36:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71] by tidalwave.net (SMTPD32-5.05) id AC9014FA0118; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 13:36:00 -0500 From: "Horkster" Reply-To: "Horkster" Date: Fri, 14 Jan 100 13:36:00 -0500 To: Subject: Re: Suzuki Riders...you now have another choice! Message-Id: <20000114133656.SM00248@tidalwave.net> ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Gary Foreman" >Loudoun Motor sports in Leesburg VA is now an authorized Suzuki >dealership if you hadn't heard. Also, Whitt's Suzuki in Manassas is new (it's the old location of Whitt's H-D, which moved to a bigger store down the road). I haven't checked it out since we got rid of the Savage (hoo-ray!) so I have no idea what the service/expertise is like. Regards, Horkster -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) Horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi -- From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 14 13:43:08 2000 Return-Path: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA07417 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 13:43:06 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id NAA02871; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 13:41:32 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma002286; Fri, 14 Jan 00 13:41:21 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FOC00KQT98AYJ@XXXXXX>; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 13:40:59 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 85256866.00669807 ; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 13:40:35 -0500 Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 13:40:50 -0500 Subject: Re: Re:newbie on a liter bike? To: "Paul A. Wilson" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, pawilson@XXXXXX Message-id: <85256866.0066920C.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMERICAS-US@INTL Although I generally agree with you ... keep in mind that a newbie is one that has not learned the skills you are referring to below. Mistakes are made by riders, BUT some bikes are certainly less forgiving than others. --chris To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: pawilson@XXXXXX From: "Paul A. Wilson" Date: 01/14/2000 04:20:27 PM GMT Subject: Re: Re:newbie on a liter bike? --snip-- road conditions, not even the other drivers. At all times you should know what our skill level is, what the bike will do based on certain inputs and what's going on around you (road conditions and traffic). Based on this information you ride within those parameters. 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From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 14 13:47:13 2000 Return-Path: mjay@XXXXXX Received: from resolver.treev.com ([38.183.229.13]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA07515 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 13:47:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from tralfaz.herndon.treev.com (treev.com [10.1.1.24]) by resolver.treev.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA24594; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 13:46:51 -0500 (EST) Received: by tralfaz.treev.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 13:52:16 -0500 Message-ID: <22F6F36CA6A3D111B95A006097177427018D128D@tralfaz.treev.com> From: Michael Jay To: "'Gary Foreman'" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Wind Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 13:52:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain What is a weighted bar end? I have just the stock Seca so I am confused. Not that my being confused is anything new. My right handle bar seems bent up some, bummer. The next house I buy will have a garage, or at least enough land on which to put an oversized shed. Have a great day, Mike -----Original Message----- From: Gary Foreman [mailto:fj1100@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, January 14, 2000 1:30 PM To: Michael Jay Subject: RE: Wind Michael, if your bike has the weighted bar ends, just check to see it's not jammed against the throttle grip. Don't ask how I know :-) > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Jay [mailto:mjay@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, January 14, 2000 10:23 AM > To: DC Cycles List > Subject: RE: Wind > > > Make that #$%$#$%^$% wind. > > I came home to find my dear ol' Seca blown over > on its side much to my sorrow. > > Last night I thought it had only a broken brake > lever and front signal light, but come to find > out this mornging that the throttle won't move. > > I knew something was amiss when I went to reach > for the handlebars and my right hand went to > grip the throttle and it was not where I expected. > > Then of course let us not forget the battery > warning light, and I hope not too much acid > has leaked out onto my bike. > > I hate winter!!! I hate wind!! If I wanted wind, > then I would move back to Oklahoma. > > Well, engough of my belly aching. > > Hope you guys have safe and fun rides. > > I will be in repair mode for a while, > Mike Jay > '82 XJ750RJ > From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 14 13:53:45 2000 Return-Path: dhallis@XXXXXX Received: from hotmail.com (law-f265.hotmail.com [209.185.130.181]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA07644 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 13:53:42 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 4721 invoked by uid 0); 14 Jan 2000 18:53:10 -0000 Message-ID: <20000114185310.4720.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 204.193.255.42 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 10:53:10 PST X-Originating-IP: [204.193.255.42] From: "Doug Allis" To: pawilson@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re:newbie on a liter bike? Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 10:53:10 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed All good points. Crazy morons can get themselves eliminated from the gene pool riding anything, even a harmless CB-250 can get you killed if you try hard enough. >I'll second the motion about rider attitudes. The conventional wisdom for >new riders is "don't buy a bike that's too big, too quick off the line", >etc., because it'll just get you "in trouble." Aside from bikes that are >simply too tall in the saddle for riders of short stature this is nonsense. > > >If you know the limits of your skills and the characteristics of the bike >and act accordingly you can both stay out of trouble and have the machine >that you won't outgrow. My attitude is that the rider is in control of the >motorcycle and 99.99% of what happens on the road is your responsibility. >It's not the bike, not the salesperson, not your riding buddies, not the >road conditions, not even the other drivers. At all times you should know >what our skill level is, what the bike will do based on certain inputs and >what's going on around you (road conditions and traffic). Based on this >information you ride within those parameters. No bike big or small ever >did anything on its own to get its rider "in trouble." > >By the way, I don't have a liter bike: I ride a 750. > > >Paul Wilson >Washington DC > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 14 13:58:34 2000 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA07723 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 13:58:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA15825 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 13:58:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from hotmail.com (law-f235.hotmail.com [209.185.130.200]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA06284 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 13:58:30 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 14105 invoked by uid 0); 14 Jan 2000 18:58:23 -0000 Message-ID: <20000114185823.14104.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 204.193.255.42 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 10:58:23 PST X-Originating-IP: [204.193.255.42] From: "Doug Allis" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bill and Hill Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 10:58:23 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I suppose I could get it with a sling shot from my boss's window (which actually does open). But then I'd probably get shot by one of the uniformed secret service types in return. Obviously not a good idea. >From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX >To: horkster@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Bill and Hill >Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 12:27:14 EST > >In a message dated 1/14/2000 10:06:13 AM Eastern Standard Time, >horkster@XXXXXX writes: > ><< >Where are you in downtown anyway? I live so close to the White > >House that I waver to Bill and Hill everyday. ;-) > > Do you live within a stone's throw of the White House? If so, > the stones are in the mail... :) > > Horkster > >> > >I'd have to throw it about three times to get there. Or, I could just walk >the couple blocks and do it. ;-) > >Scooter ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 14 14:08:29 2000 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from portal1.visa.com (portal1.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA07891 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 14:08:26 -0500 (EST) Received: by portal1.visa.com id LAA00409 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 4.2 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Fri, 14 Jan 2000 11:08:23 -0800 Received: by portal1.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Fri, 14 Jan 2000 11:08:23 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Newbies, liter bikes, and perceptions Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 11:08:20 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Back when I was a young rider (when motorcycles had stone wheels), all there was to choose from were Harleys (74s & Sportsters), and a smattering of foreign bikes - mostly British. If you wanted to ride, you got a bike and rode it - there really weren't "starter" bikes per se - I cut my teeth on a 74" Harley flathead with hand shift and suicide clutch. Those were exciting times. Then came the late 60s, and the flood of small and middle sized bikes from Japan - I can still remember the comments about Honda's new big bike - the 450 twin. We now had the concept that the big bikes (Triumph/BSA 650cc and up) were the domain of experienced riders, and ya needed a smaller bike to learn on, and then get progressively larger bikes as you gained experience. (I think there may have been marketing folks involved with this strategy - just a guess) Now we're looking at starter bikes that would suck out the headlights out of anything available in the 60s and 70s and even into the 80s. If a 650cc Triumph (45hp) was deemed too powerful for a beginning rider in 1970, why is an SV650 (70hp) deemed suitable today? Are today's riders so much superior in capability and judgement than were yesterday's? Or is it merely perception... Michael J. '93 GSX 1100GP '86 SRX-6 Oh yeah - I watched the same logic progression in sport parachuting, where the square canopy went from the domain of the "A" license to a beginner's canopy. Same people - different perception. From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 14 14:31:55 2000 Return-Path: twg@XXXXXX Received: from nfeed1 (nfeed1.sntccaidc.firstworld.net [216.127.92.117]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA08302 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 14:31:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from shell.slip.net ([207.171.193.17] helo=slip-3.slip.net) by nfeed1 with smtp (Exim 3.12 #1) id 129CRI-0005S9-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 11:31:16 -0800 Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 11:30:56 -0800 (PST) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Wind In-Reply-To: <22F6F36CA6A3D111B95A006097177427018D128C@tralfaz.treev.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 14 Jan 2000, Michael Jay wrote: > Make that #$%$#$%^$% wind. > > I came home to find my dear ol' Seca blown over > on its side much to my sorrow. Was the bike on the sidestand or the centerstand? ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 14 14:44:08 2000 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA08472 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 14:44:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-7.patriot.net [209.249.181.7]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA09648; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 14:43:58 -0500 Message-ID: <387F7A34.F456D327@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 14:34:12 -0500 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Paul A. Wilson" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: newbie on a liter bike? References: <200001141810.NAA06807@meretrix.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Agreed. Proper *fit* is good choice for a first bike and any bike, but 1000cc v 500cc or even 250cc ??? Horse pucky. My old 250cc two stroke would top 100 MPH, my 550cc UJM would do 100 MPH without even straining, so a 1000cc will get there faster, but big deal. If a jackass is piloting it, any bike can go fast enough to provide an ugly splat. Bill Paul A. Wilson wrote: > > I'll second the motion about rider attitudes. The conventional wisdom for > new riders is "don't buy a bike that's too big, too quick off the line", > etc., because it'll just get you "in trouble." Aside from bikes that are > simply too tall in the saddle for riders of short stature this is nonsense. > > If you know the limits of your skills and the characteristics of the bike > and act accordingly you can both stay out of trouble and have the machine > that you won't outgrow. My attitude is that the rider is in control of the > motorcycle and 99.99% of what happens on the road is your responsibility. > It's not the bike, not the salesperson, not your riding buddies, not the > road conditions, not even the other drivers. At all times you should know > what our skill level is, what the bike will do based on certain inputs and > what's going on around you (road conditions and traffic). Based on this > information you ride within those parameters. No bike big or small ever > did anything on its own to get its rider "in trouble." > > By the way, I don't have a liter bike: I ride a 750. > > Paul Wilson > Washington DC From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 14 14:46:20 2000 Return-Path: Randy.Moran@XXXXXX Received: from mailhub1.trw.com (mailhub1.TRW.COM [129.193.4.4]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA08571 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 14:46:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from [129.193.4.9] by mailhub1.trw.com for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 11:45:33 -0800 Received: from RESVA-MS6 ([158.114.112.204]) by navieg1.trw.com (Norton AntiVirus for Internet Email Gateways 1.0) ; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 19:45:33 0000 (GMT) Received: from trw.com ([129.193.160.238]) by RESVA-MS6; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 14:45:11 -0500 Message-Id: <387F7094.13A50AB3@trw.com> Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 14:53:16 -0400 From: Randy Moran Reply-To: Randy Moran Organization: TRW X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Newbies, liter bikes, and perceptions References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You make an interesting point, however, along with the horsepower increases have also come significant improvements in braking ability and handling. I imagine the SV650 also out brakes and out handles the old Triumph. Maybe those things would help even a novice rider? I figure the novice would have an easier time on the SV, though I am of the opinion that the SV is not the best new bike for a beginning rider. Also, I've never ridden an old Triumph so it's quite possible that I don't know nuthin'. It seems to me that conventional racing wisdom (that it's better to start out on something small and work up) would have at least some relevance to the street. Anyway, for every experienced rider that preaches prudence there will always be someone that "learned to ride on a Vmax, dadgummit!" -- Randy Moran "Jordan, Michael" wrote: > > > If a 650cc Triumph (45hp) was deemed too powerful for a beginning rider in > 1970, why is an SV650 (70hp) deemed suitable today? Are today's riders so > much superior in capability and judgement than were yesterday's? Or is it > merely perception... From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 14 14:48:38 2000 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA08581 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 14:48:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id OAA28842 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 14:48:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-7.patriot.net [209.249.181.7]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA10926; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 14:48:31 -0500 Message-ID: <387F7B46.385D2BD4@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 14:38:46 -0500 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Doug Allis CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Wind References: <20000114181804.75999.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 395 near Duke? I'll bet those two were the two MSF instructors who rode in to the Alex NOVA campus for an update class. The session was over right before then. *I* was not one of them. Weak battery and 20-50 oil kinda balks the starting procedure, and old arthritic bones kinda makes the rider balk when the frost is on the pumkin. Bill Doug Allis wrote: > I rode home on my PC at 10:30 last night. I saw two other crazy bikers, > enjoying the wind and cold -- on 395 South near Duke St. Any of you all? > The wind didn't bother me too much, but I admit I was underdressed --- NOT > prepared for the cold! I was properly dressed this AM for the trip back in > though! > > >From: Matthew Harrell > >To: DC Cycles List > >Subject: Wind > >Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 16:14:52 -0500 > > > > > >Boy was that an adrenaline rush. I never bothered to check the weather > >forecast > >this morning for high winds and I think I left work during the worst of > >them. > >The VFR certainly acts like a wind sail and on the flat parts of 495 and > >the > >Fairfax County Parkway I was blown all over the place. Luckily the only > >near problem I had was a bus that got blown into my lane but it was easily > >avoided. I can see why I didn't see more than one or two other bikes out > >there. > > > >Of course it would have been a pain in a car too since two of the back > >roads > >I take were closed from trees. I took me twice as a long to get home as it > >normally does. > > > >Anyway, I'm rambling but happy to be home. > > > >-- > > Matthew Harrell Beauty is in the eye of the > >beer > > Bit Twiddlers, Inc. holder. > > mharrell@XXXXXX > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 14 14:54:54 2000 Return-Path: nighthawk700@XXXXXX Received: from web307.mail.yahoo.com (web307.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.238]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA08686 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 14:54:52 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 26353 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Jan 2000 19:54:50 -0000 Message-ID: <20000114195450.26352.qmail@web307.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [164.117.17.73] by web307.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 11:54:49 PST Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 11:54:49 -0800 (PST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: RE: Wind To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Make that #$%$#$%^$% wind. > > I came home to find my dear ol' Seca blown over > on its side much to my sorrow. Ouch!!! Sorry to hear that! Did it have a cover on it? A few years ago we had a big gust of wind that grabbed my bike cover and acted like a perfect sail, Kerplop! I got lucky yesterday. The fence I lock my motorcycle to (via cable) blew over (backwards, not on the bike), but the fence post that the cable went around managed to stay up and not drag my bike - and the Harley next to me - down the hill. Whew! Louis __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 14 15:07:38 2000 Return-Path: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (imo17.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.7]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA08945 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 15:07:36 -0500 (EST) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.6.) id 2.95.1abb08 (4339) for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 15:06:55 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <95.1abb08.25b0dbde@aol.com> Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 15:06:54 EST Subject: Re: newbie on a liter bike? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 20 In a message dated 1/14/00 1:16:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, pawilson@XXXXXX writes: << If you know the limits of your skills and the characteristics of the bike and act accordingly you can both stay out of trouble and have the machine that you won't outgrow. My attitude is that the rider is in control of the motorcycle and 99.99% of what happens on the road is your responsibility. It's not the bike, not the salesperson, not your riding buddies, not the road conditions, not even the other drivers. At all times you should know what our skill level is, what the bike will do based on certain inputs and what's going on around you (road conditions and traffic). Based on this information you ride within those parameters. No bike big or small ever did anything on its own to get its rider "in trouble." >> And a new rider who has never been on a motorcycle before (or maybe once) magically knows their limits and the machine's limits how? And they know how to handle 130+ hp because...? How about this -> we'll put a student driver into a 400hp ferrarri and see how they do... wana bet you end up with a U-shaped $200k hunk of metal and a severly bent traffic light pole? The problem with your theory is that a beginner is *not* in control of the bike if they are not able to deal with the weight and horsepower being produced beneath them. A beginner on a TL1000, or anything that big, is an accident waiting to happen. Period. Beginners make mistakes... we all did. On a TL1000, that mistake could cause you your life. Ever do the "panic and twist the throttle all the way" maneuver when you were first riding? I did... and on a 250cc twin, it didn't throw me off the bike (and possibly into traffic). On the TL, it would. There are a hundred other situations where this outcome would be the same. Simply releasing the clutch too fast at a stoplight on a 100+ hp bike is going to put a beginner on his posterior (in front of brain dead cagers who are often too busy doing their hair or reading a paper to notice what's going on outside of their car). The arguement that any rider can simply hop onto a high-performance monster hp bike and go have a good time as long as they "be carefull" is hogwash. It'd be like putting me on a Feracci Ducati Superbike at the track... I do not know how to deal with 170hp. I don't care how carefull I was, the first time I came out of a corner and got a little too greedy on the gas that thing would be sliding sideways and I'd be well on my way to a nasty high-side, then maybe the hospital. This wouldn't be because I wasn't "being carefull", or because I didn't know my limits... it'd be because I made a mistake. Helicopter rides are just not that much fun. I race lightweight superbike for that reason - my 70hp 400cc machine is something I could learn to go fast on, then move up to something else later once I had the skills I needed to not kill myself. The same applies to the street. (And actually... i *like* racing the smaller bikes now... they corner faster) This is not to say that every rider out there could not handle a TL1000 as their first bike - some people could and never have a problem - there is such a thing as natural ability. The majority, however, cannot. In Europe and Asia, this is mandated by law - in the USA, we allow people the right to make their own chioce. I make every effort to help people make the right choice and not buy something like the TL as a first bike. The depreciation loss on the trade in once they're ready for something else is a hell of a lot cheaper than medical bills, or their life. - Brian Roach WERA/CCS #699 SpeedWerks, Camden DE http://www.speed-werks.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 14 15:13:19 2000 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA09044 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 15:13:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA04103 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 15:12:44 -0500 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000114151020.00c5e400@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 15:12:42 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: RE: Wind In-Reply-To: <20000114195450.26352.qmail@web307.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 02:54 PM 1/14/00 , Louis F. Caplan wrote: >t lucky yesterday. The fence I lock my motorcycle to (via cable) blew over >(backwards, not on the bike), but the fence post that the cable went around >managed to stay up and not drag my bike - and the Harley next to me - down >the hill. Whew! Makes me happy that I nestle my bike between two cars. Blocks the wind - and not far to fall if it did. Last time we had big gusts I pushed a 3 foot plank through the center stand and left the cover off. That seemed to hold it. Of course, sometimes weather like that brings hail....which ripped my old Nighthawk's seat and shattered the tach! ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 Eat right. Stay fit. Die anyway. From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 14 15:29:47 2000 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from portal1.visa.com (portal1.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA09301 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 15:29:44 -0500 (EST) Received: by portal1.visa.com id MAA01024 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 4.2 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Fri, 14 Jan 2000 12:29:41 -0800 Received: by portal1.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Fri, 14 Jan 2000 12:29:41 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: DC Cycles Subject: RE: Newbies, liter bikes, and perceptions Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 12:29:17 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >You make an interesting point, however, along with the horsepower increases >have also come significant improvements in braking ability and handling. Better by orders of magnitude >I am of the opinion that the SV is not the best new bike for a beginning >rider. Agree - but there are MANY worse choices. The middleweight bikes (350s, 450s) have largely disappeared. Suzuki had the 400 bandit and Honda had the 400 CB-1 for a short while, but even those were little sleepers that could (and would) embarass riders on much larger machines. >It seems to me that conventional racing wisdom (that it's better to start out >on something small and work up) would have at least some relevance to the >street. Agree again - but in racing, one tends to approach 10/10ths more often than is done on the road (or at least the ones that survive long-term do). Assuming that the rider exercises SOME discretion, I believe that it's less of a factor on the street. >Anyway, for every experienced rider that preaches prudence there will >always be someone that "learned to ride on a Vmax, dadgummit!" The old Harley VL made very few ponies - but ya really gotta try riding in the dirt on a machine with a hand shift and foot clutch for real excitement. Oh yeah - did I mention that there were no throttle return springs? Look, Ma, cruise control!! Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 14 15:44:57 2000 Return-Path: horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mail.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA09587 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 15:44:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71] by tidalwave.net (SMTPD32-5.05) id AAA53B6025E; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 15:44:21 -0500 From: "Horkster" Reply-To: "Horkster" Date: Fri, 14 Jan 100 15:44:21 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: RE: Wind Message-Id: <200001141544194.SM00248@tidalwave.net> ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Louis F. Caplan" Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 11:54:49 -0800 (PST) >I got lucky yesterday. managed to stay up and not drag >my bike - and the Harley next to me - down the hill. Whew! I've seen that hill. I can't even begin to imagine how bad that would have sucked . :) Glad nothing bad happened. Dale -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) Horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi -- From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 14 16:09:27 2000 Return-Path: pawilson@XXXXXX Received: from mail.digizen.net (mail.digizen.net [209.194.78.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA09958 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 16:09:25 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200001142109.QAA09958@meretrix.com> Received: (qmail 22111 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2000 21:10:31 -0000 Received: from ppp1-220.digizen.net (HELO palladio) (209.194.78.220) by mail.digizen.net with SMTP; 14 Jan 2000 21:10:31 -0000 From: "Paul A. Wilson" To: Subject: Re: newbie on a liter bike? Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 16:08:30 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Your points are well taken and maybe we should make exception for bikes on the extreme end of the scale. I would never ride a 100 + hp bike because it would be foolish for me given my skill levels. My point is that arbitrary rules about displacement in more run of the mill bikes are silly and that it all comes down to the rider's attitude, maturity and self-awareness. Besides there are lots of other factors besides displacement that influence rideability. Maybe I'm naive but that little voice inside that regulates self-preservation works for me, but maybe it's because I'm not a risk taker and don't understand that personality type. I always want to be in control and I know when to stop. Paul Wilson Washington DC ---------- > From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: newbie on a liter bike? > Date: Friday, January 14, 2000 3:06 PM > > > > And a new rider who has never been on a motorcycle before (or maybe once) > magically knows their limits and the machine's limits how? And they know how > to handle 130+ hp because...? How about this -> we'll put a student driver > into a 400hp ferrarri and see how they do... wana bet you end up with a > U-shaped $200k hunk of metal and a severly bent traffic light pole? The > problem with your theory is that a beginner is *not* in control of the bike > if they are not able to deal with the weight and horsepower being produced > beneath them. > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 14 16:19:16 2000 Return-Path: Randy.Moran@XXXXXX Received: from mailhub1.trw.com (mailhub1.TRW.COM [129.193.4.4]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA10126 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 16:19:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from [129.193.4.9] by mailhub1.trw.com for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 13:19:02 -0800 Received: from RESVA-MS6 ([158.114.112.204]) by navieg1.trw.com (Norton AntiVirus for Internet Email Gateways 1.0) ; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 21:19:01 0000 (GMT) Received: from trw.com ([129.193.160.238]) by RESVA-MS6; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 16:18:46 -0500 Message-Id: <387F8685.34D3756C@trw.com> Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 16:27:01 -0400 From: Randy Moran Reply-To: Randy Moran Organization: TRW X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Newbies, liter bikes, and perceptions References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Neat trick, Michael...you made me shiver via email! -- Randy Moran Michael Jordan wrote: > > The old Harley VL made very few ponies - but ya really gotta try riding in > the dirt on a machine with a hand shift and foot clutch for real excitement. > Oh yeah - did I mention that there were no throttle return springs? Look, > Ma, cruise control!! From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 14 16:31:33 2000 Return-Path: jay.stpeter@XXXXXX Received: from ravinc.ravinc.com (mail.ravinc.com [216.181.133.51]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA10369 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 16:31:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from superj (192.9.200.178) by ravinc.ravinc.com (Worldmail 1.3.167); 14 Jan 2000 16:32:02 -0500 From: "Jay St. Peter" To: Cc: Subject: Re: newbie on a liter bike? Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 16:32:38 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Brian If I was a beginner rider and wanted a sportbike, what bike would you recommend? Keep these points in mind 1. The Ninja 250 did exist when I got my first bike. At 6'4", it looked like I was riding a minibike, no way I'm gonna buy that. 2. The SV650 doesn't look like a sportbike, since I don't know any better I don't want it. 3. FZR600, same problem as Ninja 250. 4. I want a bike that I will look cool on with my friends. One of the 600s is the only thing that comes to my mind. If I'm going to be on an F4/R6/ZX6, what the hell might as well get a TL. It's not like the power difference matters much when you're already pushing 100. Although it may make sense to get a 250, part of riding is image. You don't want a bike that makes you look like a dork. Jay St. Peter Every bike I've owned has been smaller than the last From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 14 16:33:43 2000 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA10379 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 16:33:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA18624 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 16:33:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from PMESMTP02.wcom.com (pmesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.20.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA24823 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 16:33:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #41713) id <0FOC00K01H67B6@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 21:32:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com ([166.37.204.49]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #41713) with ESMTP id <0FOC00IEBH675C@XXXXXX>; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 21:32:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzmta03.mcit.com (omzmta03.mcit.com [166.37.194.121]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id VAA24973; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 21:32:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.36.176.174]) by omzmta03.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <20000114213230.SUBN15369@toddnt>; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 21:32:30 +0000 Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 16:29:22 -0500 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: Bill and Hill In-reply-to: <20000114185823.14104.qmail@hotmail.com> To: Doug Allis , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <001b01bf5ed6$6cb02a40$aeb024a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Or you could just fly your single engine airplane overhead and drop the rocks :) > -----Original Message----- > From: Doug Allis [mailto:dhallis@XXXXXX] > > I suppose I could get it with a sling shot from my boss's window (which > actually does open). But then I'd probably get shot by one of the > uniformed > secret service types in return. Obviously not a good idea. > > > >From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX > > > >In a message dated 1/14/2000 10:06:13 AM Eastern Standard Time, > >horkster@XXXXXX writes: > > > ><< >Where are you in downtown anyway? I live so close to the White > > >House that I waver to Bill and Hill everyday. ;-) > > > > Do you live within a stone's throw of the White House? If so, > > the stones are in the mail... :) > > > > Horkster > > >> > > > >I'd have to throw it about three times to get there. Or, I > could just walk > >the couple blocks and do it. ;-) > > > >Scooter > From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 14 16:46:31 2000 Return-Path: Randy.Moran@XXXXXX Received: from mailhub1.trw.com (mailhub1.TRW.COM [129.193.4.4]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA10636 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 16:46:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from [129.193.4.9] by mailhub1.trw.com for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 13:46:12 -0800 Received: from RESVA-MS6 ([158.114.112.204]) by navieg1.trw.com (Norton AntiVirus for Internet Email Gateways 1.0) ; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 21:46:12 0000 (GMT) Received: from trw.com ([129.193.160.238]) by RESVA-MS6; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 16:45:37 -0500 Message-Id: <387F8CCE.3360B07@trw.com> Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 16:53:53 -0400 From: Randy Moran Reply-To: Randy Moran Organization: TRW X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: New Buell Beginner Bike References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit While were on the beginner topic, I happened upon this article at Motorcycle Online. They haven't posted it to the slash page yet. This looks like a promising development in so many ways... http://www.motorcycle.com/mo/mcbuell/blast/00blast.html Randy Moran From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 14 17:00:27 2000 Return-Path: dthompso1@XXXXXX Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA10901 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 17:00:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from 207-172-106-109.s109.tnt2.war.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.106.109] helo=oemcomputer) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 129El8-0007dF-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 16:59:54 -0500 Message-ID: <002001bf5eda$b0ffd160$6d6aaccf@oemcomputer> From: "Danny Thompson" To: References: Subject: Re: newbie on a liter bike? Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 16:59:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Jay wrote: > Brian > > If I was a beginner rider and wanted a sportbike, what bike would you > recommend? > > Keep these points in mind > 1. The Ninja 250 did exist when I got my first bike. At 6'4", it looked > like I was riding a minibike, no way I'm gonna buy that. > 2. The SV650 doesn't look like a sportbike, since I don't know any better I > don't want it. > 3. FZR600, same problem as Ninja 250. > 4. I want a bike that I will look cool on with my friends. snip.... How about a Duc 750 or monster? Danny '99 VFR '99 SV Warrenton, VA ----- Original Message ----- From: Jay St. Peter To: Cc: Sent: Friday, January 14, 2000 7:32 PM Subject: Re: newbie on a liter bike? From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 14 17:02:21 2000 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA10911 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 17:02:20 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 17:02:17 -0500 Message-Id: <200001141702.AA24773164@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: "List-dc cycles" Subject: "Bigtoe" MonsterBike X-Mailer: "Bigtoe" MonsterBike http://home.bip.net/bigtoe/index2.htm Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 14 17:04:10 2000 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from PMESMTP02.wcom.com (pmesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.20.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA10932 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 17:04:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #41713) id <0FOC00601I8RXZ@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 21:55:39 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com ([166.37.172.49]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #41713) with ESMTP id <0FOC004HEI8RC1@XXXXXX>; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 21:55:39 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzmta03.mcit.com (omzmta03.mcit.com [166.37.194.121]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id VAA22187; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 21:53:55 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.36.176.174]) by omzmta03.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <20000114215538.TADO15369@toddnt>; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 21:55:38 +0000 Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 16:52:30 -0500 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: Newbies, liter bikes, and perceptions In-reply-to: To: "Jordan, Michael" , DC Cycles Message-id: <001c01bf5ed9$a7d63210$aeb024a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal You know, I was just going to suggest a retro-fit to newbies. Since the older machines put out fractions of the HP that some of today's middleweights do, why not put newbies on them? That's it, poor handling, bad braking, flexing hulks to learn on. I used to go for the argument that a smaller machine was preferrable to a newbie for the apparently obvious safety reasons. But now I go for it because of the economics of it all. I believe that, technologically, all of todays bikes are around as safe as you can get. But if I were a newb, I'd want to start out small and spend very little just to get into it. Todd > > The old Harley VL made very few ponies - but ya really gotta try riding in > the dirt on a machine with a hand shift and foot clutch for real > excitement. > Oh yeah - did I mention that there were no throttle return springs? Look, > Ma, cruise control!! > > Michael J. > From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 14 17:04:26 2000 Return-Path: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (imo18.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.8]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA10941 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 17:04:25 -0500 (EST) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.6.) id c.6.feed64 (6964); Fri, 14 Jan 2000 17:03:37 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <6.feed64.25b0f739@aol.com> Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 17:03:37 EST Subject: Re: newbie on a liter bike? To: jay.stpeter@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 20 I agree with you here 150% - there is no beginner sportbike in the US. It's a crime IMHO. Why? Standard answer: "Because there's no market in the US for them" But why is this? Because new riders do not have enough education, training, and in many cases common sense to understand that getting on a 600cc (or larger), 100hp machine without any riding experience is simply not a real good idea, and they're probably going to be shelling out some serious cash in the real near future to replace that "cool" bodywork they just mangled. Heap on top of that the whole "Bigger is better" US phenom, and you got yourself a lot of 400cc machines gathering dust. I will say one thing though in regards to 600cc machines. I starting riding about 10 years ago, and had the... pleasure of riding some of the 80's finest products. The 600cc machines produced today are easier to ride. Even though they have more HP, the handling and lower weight make them a much easier machine with which to deal. However... grab a handfull (on purpose, or by mistake) and you've got yourself a ticket on Mr. Toad's Wild Ride. I would still rather see a new rider on a modern 400 like they have in europe and Japan. - Brian In a message dated 1/14/00 4:31:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, jay.stpeter@XXXXXX writes: << Brian If I was a beginner rider and wanted a sportbike, what bike would you recommend? Keep these points in mind 1. The Ninja 250 did exist when I got my first bike. At 6'4", it looked like I was riding a minibike, no way I'm gonna buy that. 2. The SV650 doesn't look like a sportbike, since I don't know any better I don't want it. 3. FZR600, same problem as Ninja 250. 4. I want a bike that I will look cool on with my friends. One of the 600s is the only thing that comes to my mind. If I'm going to be on an F4/R6/ZX6, what the hell might as well get a TL. It's not like the power difference matters much when you're already pushing 100. Although it may make sense to get a 250, part of riding is image. You don't want a bike that makes you look like a dork. Jay St. Peter Every bike I've owned has been smaller than the last >> From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 14 17:11:26 2000 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA11034 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 17:11:25 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 17:11:22 -0500 Message-Id: <200001141711.AA25625132@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: "List-dc cycles" Subject: Biker down, okay. X-Mailer: Saw a wreck right in front of me today, in Arlington at Lee Hwy and 124/SpoutRunPkwy/Kirkwood. Rider heading through the light going toward Lorcom Lane and Spout Run Pkwy (coming out of the sun) got cut off by an elderly lady turing left in front of him. I first heard either the tires lock up or the bike fall over, then the thunk as it hit the side of the car, and the engine revving before the rider let go. He was okay, fortunately. Another guy helped him get the bike off the road. As the car driver looked like she might leave (start, roll, stop ... start, roll, stop) I pulled up alongside then parked in front of her and told her to stay where she was. And got her license tag number. An Arlington County officer was on the scene right away. The rider told him he was riding with his headlight turned off and his old tires didn't brake well ( !!!!! ). The officer said he didn't need me, with the rider's statements and the physical evidence (door and rocker panel damage on the car). I offered the rider a cell phone if he needed to call anyone, but he said he had a phone with him. Wish he'd bought new tires and a headlight instead of a phone. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 14 17:22:02 2000 Return-Path: Eternity23@XXXXXX Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA11289 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 17:22:01 -0500 (EST) From: Eternity23@XXXXXX Received: from Eternity23@XXXXXX by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.6.) id 2.ca.912b80 (4011) for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 17:21:21 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 17:21:21 EST Subject: Tires & parts; pricing and retailers. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 44 Ok guys, random survey. The buisness I used to purchase tires from has gone out of buisness; I am going to need new tires soon. I want D207's. If you all were me, where would you get them and how much would you spend? And while you're at it, what about sprockets & chain sets? E-mail me off list, or on list if you want to run a new thread. -Sean Jordan '93 CBR1000F P.S. Don't forget, I do have the '78 Honda Hawk and an '83 Honda Interceptor for sale!!! Plus 4 cute kittens for free. Hell, buy a bike, get a kitten!!! From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 14 17:38:02 2000 Return-Path: dthompso1@XXXXXX Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA11609 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 17:38:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from 207-172-106-109.s109.tnt2.war.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.106.109] helo=oemcomputer) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 129FLW-0006R3-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 17:37:30 -0500 Message-ID: <008a01bf5edf$f141c300$6d6aaccf@oemcomputer> From: "Danny Thompson" To: References: Subject: Re: Tires & parts; pricing and retailers. Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 17:37:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 For road or track? 207zr's or gp's? For road, try Chapparel or Jenspeed (800-443-0625 ask for Paul) is usually good. Why 207's necessarily? Danny '99 VFR '99 SV Warrenton, VA ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, January 14, 2000 5:21 PM Subject: Tires & parts; pricing and retailers. > Ok guys, random survey. The buisness I used to purchase tires from has gone > out of buisness; I am going to need new tires soon. I want D207's. If you all > were me, where would you get them and how much would you spend? And while > you're at it, what about sprockets & chain sets? E-mail me off list, or on > list if you want to run a new thread. > > -Sean Jordan > '93 CBR1000F > > P.S. Don't forget, I do have the '78 Honda Hawk and an '83 Honda Interceptor > for sale!!! Plus 4 cute kittens for free. Hell, buy a bike, get a kitten!!! > From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 14 17:56:59 2000 Return-Path: v4mofo@XXXXXX Received: from c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com (c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com [24.5.28.205]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA11908 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 17:56:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from ts017d24.phx-az.concentric.net [207.155.235.84] by c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 14:56:26 -0800 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: Winter riding.. Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 15:54:45 -0700 Message-ID: <000201bf5ee2$59c4c1f0$54eb9bcf@tra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Soo.. I'm in a delima here, wondering which jacket I should wear today... Should I used the medium perferated Joe Rocket or the fully vented Vanson pro-perf? It's 83 degrees out now, but I think the temp will drop to about 55 once the sun goes down.. ;) heh, I like this nice calm weather here in Phoenix.. :) oh, and no wind what-so-ever..... Cheers, Brian McCoy From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 14 17:59:13 2000 Return-Path: jay.stpeter@XXXXXX Received: from ravinc.ravinc.com (mail.ravinc.com [216.181.133.51]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA12008 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 17:59:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from superj (192.9.200.178) by ravinc.ravinc.com (Worldmail 1.3.167); 14 Jan 2000 17:59:44 -0500 From: "Jay St. Peter" To: Cc: Subject: RE: newbie on a liter bike? Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 18:00:21 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-reply-to: <6.feed64.25b0f739@aol.com> Importance: Normal The market used to be that each manufacturer had 3-4 bikes. The price difference was significant enough to steer new riders unwilling to spend big bucks toward the lower end. Plus the low end bikes were usually smaller versions of the bigger brothers. Now the market is so split up with so many bikes, they have to make about 5 beginner bikes. In order for a beginner bike to sell, they must be cheap enough to entice the beginner. The reason that CBRFZRZX 400s don't sell well in the U.S. is because you can get the 600 version for about $20 more per monthly payment. Why bother? When the manufacturers build a cheaper beginner bike, they tend to put little skinny tires on it, make it really small and sound like a lawnmower. The new Buell bang looks to suffer from skinny tire syndrome as well. Why put a 120 rear tire on a supposedly sporty looking bike? Bottom line, they exude the image of a cheap beginner bikes. Then they wonder why they don't sell. I don't think rider education would make a difference. It's pure economics. If nobody forced 400 sized bikes in other countries, the 400 sport bike may not exist at all. Jay -----Original Message----- From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX [mailto:BryanRoach@XXXXXX] I agree with you here 150% - there is no beginner sportbike in the US. It's a crime IMHO. Why? Standard answer: "Because there's no market in the US for them" But why is this? Because new riders do not have enough education, training, and in many cases common sense to understand that getting on a 600cc (or larger), 100hp machine without any riding experience is simply not a real good idea, and they're From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 14 18:03:25 2000 Return-Path: bernescut@XXXXXX Received: from raphael.catholic.org (root@XXXXXX [207.95.245.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA12106 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 18:03:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from cedric ([12.4.21.97]) by raphael.catholic.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA24346 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 15:03:16 -0800 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 17:57:49 -0500 Message-ID: <01BF5EB8.DEC04840.bernescut@ncea.org> From: Cedric Bernescut Reply-To: "bernescut@XXXXXX" To: List-dc cycles Subject: RE: Biker down, okay. Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 17:57:48 -0500 Organization: NCEA X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Good to hear he'll live to learn. I'm headed home that way myself in a few minutes, I'll keep it in mind. Cedric 1996 CBR600F3 AMA 663626 Annandale, VA -----Original Message----- From: Chris Norloff [SMTP:cnorloff@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, January 14, 2000 5:11 PM To: List-dc cycles Subject: Biker down, okay. Saw a wreck right in front of me today, in Arlington at Lee Hwy and 124/SpoutRunPkwy/Kirkwood. Rider heading through the light going toward Lorcom Lane and Spout Run Pkwy (coming out of the sun) got cut off by an elderly lady turing left in front of him. I first heard either the tires lock up or the bike fall over, then the thunk as it hit the side of the car, and the engine revving before the rider let go. He was okay, fortunately. Another guy helped him get the bike off the road. As the car driver looked like she might leave (start, roll, stop ... start, roll, stop) I pulled up alongside then parked in front of her and told her to stay where she was. And got her license tag number. An Arlington County officer was on the scene right away. The rider told him he was riding with his headlight turned off and his old tires didn't brake well ( !!!!! ). The officer said he didn't need me, with the rider's statements and the physical evidence (door and rocker panel damage on the car). I offered the rider a cell phone if he needed to call anyone, but he said he had a phone with him. Wish he'd bought new tires and a headlight instead of a phone. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 14 18:16:44 2000 Return-Path: jay.stpeter@XXXXXX Received: from ravinc.ravinc.com (mail.ravinc.com [216.181.133.51]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA12384 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 18:16:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from superj (192.9.200.178) by ravinc.ravinc.com (Worldmail 1.3.167); 14 Jan 2000 18:17:18 -0500 From: "Jay St. Peter" To: Cc: Subject: Re: newbie on a liter bike? Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 18:17:55 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Danny, Hmmm...good call. Hadn't thought of them. The 750 monster could be the best "beginner" bike I can think of. It's a little cheaper than one of the top-line 600s, looks/sounds cool. I wonder if they are selling at all? Jay wrote: > Brian > > If I was a beginner rider and wanted a sportbike, what bike would you > recommend? How about a Duc 750 or monster? Danny From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 14 18:29:46 2000 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA12574 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 18:29:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-7.patriot.net [209.249.181.7]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA10029; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 18:29:39 -0500 Message-ID: <387FAF1A.77D44549@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 18:19:54 -0500 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brian McCoy CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Winter riding.. References: <000201bf5ee2$59c4c1f0$54eb9bcf@tra> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bite me, sun boy - Ggrrrrrr.... Bill in squat to pee mode Brian McCoy wrote: > Soo.. I'm in a delima here, wondering which jacket I should wear today... > Should I used the medium perferated Joe Rocket or the fully vented Vanson > pro-perf? It's 83 degrees out now, but I think the temp will drop to about > 55 once the sun goes down.. ;) > > heh, I like this nice calm weather here in Phoenix.. :) > > oh, and no wind what-so-ever..... > > Cheers, > > Brian McCoy From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 14 18:38:14 2000 Return-Path: Eternity23@XXXXXX Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (imo15.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA12799 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 18:38:14 -0500 (EST) From: Eternity23@XXXXXX Received: from Eternity23@XXXXXX by imo15.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.6.) id 2.de.27c654 (4368) for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 18:37:37 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 18:37:36 EST Subject: Re: Tires & parts; pricing and retailers. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 44 Road use. What's the difference between zr's and gp's? Why 207's? I had 204's on the bike originally and I liked them more than the 205's on there now. I've heard the 207's are way better that the 204's. -Sean Jordan '93 CBR1000F From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 14 19:48:41 2000 Return-Path: mcycleracr@XXXXXX Received: from smtp.mail.yahoo.com (smtp.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.32]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA14055 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 19:48:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from ts017d24.phx-az.concentric.net (HELO tra) (207.155.235.84) by smtp.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2000 16:48:36 -0800 X-Apparently-From: From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: Newbie bikes, tires and other rambling.. Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 17:46:56 -0700 Message-ID: <000301bf5ef2$05b9ea30$54eb9bcf@tra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-reply-to: <200001150000.TAA13185@meretrix.com> Importance: Normal first off.. Sean - why 207's? ever consider the Bridgestone BT56ss?, how about the new Michelin Pilot sport (street) tires.. Avon Azzaros? They're all great tires, some are cheaper than the 207's, some last longer - all provide enough 'ability' that you'd only notice a difference on the track. Second.. I didn't know jack shit about riding when I got my 1100f - I knew my roommates rode and always had girls on the bikes and I wanted in on that. I learned to ride in 30 minutes in a Wal-Mart parking lot following a roommate.. then off to the bar to get drunk and pick up girls, followed by a 100mph+ run 15 miles home. My first accident with that bike? I was following a roommate who turned sharply in a parking lot without signaling and I ran into his tailsection... I also locked up the rear tire and slid right through an intersection once... Bascially, I did what probably 90% of the riders today have done - survive the early peroid of super-fast learning. Were we in the UK, I would have been forced to start on a 125. There's NO way around that, and so what if you don't have the 'look'. That's only an issue here. My second bike was a beat to shit VF500f that I put on the ground several times.. I put about 30k miles on that thing - rode the piss outta it. I thought I did most of my learning on that bike.. skinny tires, bad breaks, dead suspension... all the while (from the very begining) I've been learning on-line though. But I suspect I'm an exception to the rule with that.. or, I was in 94 when I started riding. What to do? Manditory cc restrictions. Yea, it sucks. Yea, it'll probably keep some people from getting into motorcycling. Yea, it'll put a LOT more riders on the road than ppl who just hang on. You want to ride? you spend a year with a license that restricts you to a 250. After 1 year, you can ride whatever you want (much less strict than any other country I've heard of that has the steped license system.. bah, it'll never happen.. so I ride with people I know are accomplished to save myself. Cheers, Brian McCoy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 14 21:37:09 2000 Return-Path: dthompso1@XXXXXX Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA15926 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 21:37:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from 207-172-106-109.s109.tnt2.war.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.106.109] helo=oemcomputer) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 129J4u-0001d9-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 21:36:36 -0500 Message-ID: <00d001bf5f01$587609c0$6d6aaccf@oemcomputer> From: "Danny Thompson" To: References: Subject: Re: Tires & parts; pricing and retailers. Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 21:36:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sean, zr's are street tires, but very grippy, gp's are race tires. The reason I asked about 207's is because there are other options as Brian pointed out that may be more appropriate for your bike and the way you ride. For example, I just went from 207 zr's to BT56SS's on my VFR becuase the SS's give as good a grip in twisty stuff, but have a dual compound rubber (harder in the center) and therefore will last longer for my commuting. (that is the plan anyway, they are newish tires) and they cost less than 207's. Where as on my SV, I will definately go with gp's or pilots because it is a race bike. There are always trade-offs though, some people really like the predictability of Dunlops because they are pushing the limits more and want to know when they are about to loose traction and are not familiar with other tires and don't want to learn the hard way that this new tire is going to loose traction quickly when they are not expecting it. Yada, yada, yada. I hope this is of some use. (By the way I got a set of BT56SS's from Chaparell for less than $200 to my door.) And yes the 207's are way better than the 204's. Danny '99 VFR '99 SV Warrenton, VA ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, January 14, 2000 6:37 PM Subject: Re: Tires & parts; pricing and retailers. > Road use. What's the difference between zr's and gp's? Why 207's? I had 204's > on the bike originally and I liked them more than the 205's on there now. > I've heard the 207's are way better that the 204's. > > -Sean Jordan > '93 CBR1000F From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 14 22:19:18 2000 Return-Path: ssmith@XXXXXX Received: from bpexchange.dcscorp.com (bpexchange.dcscorp.com [204.7.239.11]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA16655 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 22:19:18 -0500 (EST) Received: by bpexchange.dcscorp.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 22:19:57 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Smith, Steven" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Zero Gee Price Alert Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 22:19:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain Through making a telephone order for a double-bubble recently, I was advised the prices of Zero Gravity windscreens have risen by $10. You can still get the last year's price if you mention the lower price posted on their website. This situation will not last long. Word. Crash From dc-cycles-request Sat Jan 15 00:30:49 2000 Return-Path: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (imo15.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA18986 for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2000 00:30:48 -0500 (EST) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo15.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.6.) id t.69.4071c (4441); Sat, 15 Jan 2000 00:30:10 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <69.4071c.25b15fe2@aol.com> Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 00:30:10 EST Subject: Re: Winter riding.. To: v4mofo@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 146 oh you are EVIL EVIL EVIL I'll be riding my bike back from the shop tomorrow in about 25 degree weather - NO perfs of any kind thanks very much! :D M. In a message dated 1/14/00 6:04:06 PM, v4mofo@XXXXXX writes: << It's 83 degrees out now, but I think the temp will drop to about 55 once the sun goes down.. ;) heh, I like this nice calm weather here in Phoenix.. :) >> From dc-cycles-request Sat Jan 15 13:55:26 2000 Return-Path: ipeverywhere@XXXXXX Received: from web3102.mail.yahoo.com (web3102.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.202.187]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA04596 for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2000 13:55:24 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20000115185451.14941.qmail@web3102.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.28.209.195] by web3102.mail.yahoo.com; Sat, 15 Jan 2000 10:54:51 PST Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 10:54:51 -0800 (PST) From: Ryan McClune Subject: comments from a "newbie" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Just wanted to throw my $2 (with inflation you won't be heard if you use 2 cents) in on the topic of newbies on liter bikes. This will be summer 3 of having my "M" endorsement. I got my license on a friends '82 KZ750 LTD and last year bought a R6 without ever being on a sportbike. If the R6 hadn't come out I would of been on a R1. Here are the comments. . If this is your first sport bike you _will_ go down. There is no way around it. It doesn't matter if it is a 250 or a 600 or a liter bike. The thing is going to go down. If you have no experience of where the power is on a sport bike when it hits the power range while leaned over you will fall. The thing that makes a good racer is the ability to know where the power is and apply it with precision while leaned over. You don't just figure this out by reading manuals, you learn it from experience. So go out and bye a nice shiny bike. . just make sure you have enough money left over for repairs and new plastic. Also remember the lighter/faster they seem to be making bikes the less the bikes are meant to go down. When aluminum hits pavement it bends and breaks. How cool do you think you feel when at 600 miles you can look into the engine block because you punched a hole in your case cover on your shiny new bike. I felt pretty dumb. The two pieces of advice I would give to any new rider is take as many rider training courses as you can. You may also look into racing courses. One of the reasons a newbie can get on a 600cc bike and be relatively safe is because today we have a much better understanding of the physics of riding a bike. It isn't so much "jump on and figure it out" there is a science that can be applied to just about every aspect of riding on the street. Learn that science and then go practice it, this will keep you upright. Secondly get the best leathers made by man (or cow). No reason to strap your legs around a 100hp engine if you are not prepared to slide your butt down the road at 100mph. The ability to highside in a race opened up in 5th gear, total the motorcycle, and be working the next day (friend of mine) says something about modern armor. Again, wearing a one piece brightly colored $1400 suite around town may not make you popular with the ladies but neither is sitting in a hospital bed recovering from road rash. I recommend buying "Twist of the Wrist I and II" and reading these a couple times. These are the Keith Code books and he basically teaches out of them at the CA Superbike school. The other comment I wanted to make was about being able to physically handle the bike. I have a much easier time riding my 600cc R6 then I did riding that KZ750 even tho the KZ would only go 100mph. Being 5'8" and 140 trying to muscle around an upright 800lbs street bike wasn't much fun. However, throwing around a 400lbs low sitting rocket just feels much easier to me. It is my impression that it is much harder to ride slow then it is to ride fast. At slower speeds the bike will feel heavy and clunky but most "around town" riding is done slow. At higher speeds you have two gyros moving at a rather quick pace and it becomes easier to convince them to move side to side. If you are in the shop go sit on a liter bike and if you are not able to push it around with the engine off then the bike is to big, you will have major trouble around town. However if you are 6'5" and it does feel like a toy you may be OK with a liter bike as long as you understand throttle control and are not out to set land speed records. One of the best times I had on a bike was during the MFS course I took. We were on nighthawk 250's. The reason it became fun is because you could really get lose with those things and if they began to go down you just stuck your feet down and propped them back upright. I think this is why there is a general impression that smaller cc is safer. It really doesn't have to do anything with speed but it has to do with weight and how low you are to the ground. A liter bike is a lot of mass to throw around and so the impression is, don't get into a situation where you need to. If your skill level allows you to ride the bike by following the science of things then you will never need to "throw" the bike around. The bike will follow the lines you set and accelerate/brake with ease. However, being a newbie, there is now way you can do this and you will end up throwing the bike around until you get the "feel" for it. Just make sure you are sitting on a bike that you physically can throw around or you will end up on the ground. My suggestion for someone starting out. Stick with a used anything. I _wanted_ an R6 when I went to buy my first bike and there were no used ones so I bought new. It cost me a hell of a lot of money to keep it running last year and it is in no way "new" condition anymore. If you dump a used bike and walk away then you have not really lost as much as you would have buying new, in fact you may not even need to repair it just buy another used bike and keep on riding. I told people that the reason I got the KZ is because it came "pre-scratched". This is a rule to live by. The ego gets pretty bruised the first day you come home and are making an inventory of everything that is wrong with the bike when yesterday that list contained zero items. Hmm. . I could talk about this all day. . but will spare the rest of my stories for those that are really interested and spare the rest of the list. Feel free to mail me directly. Also I have pictures of that case cover if anyone is interested. Nothing like dropping the oil pan and taking a thumb size piece of aluminum out. :) and oh yeah. . yellow lines are for pussies. Nothing feels better then using the "whole" road. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sat Jan 15 16:20:56 2000 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA06826 for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2000 16:20:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA00143 for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2000 16:20:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.wch.adelphia.net (alpha.wch.adelphia.net [24.48.14.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA26090 for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2000 16:20:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from gforeman (surf15-123.wch.adelphia.net [216.174.23.123]) by alpha.wch.adelphia.net (8.9.3/8.9.2) with SMTP id QAA14952; Sat, 15 Jan 2000 16:20:25 -0500 (EST) From: "Gary Foreman" To: "Ryan McClune" Cc: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: RE: comments from a "newbie" Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 16:20:28 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 In-Reply-To: <20000115185451.14941.qmail@web3102.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal Ryan, excellent analysis, and words of wisdom. Now the BIG question. If someone had let you read this message before buying your R6, would it have made any difference? Probably not. When I was young, I knew it all. I'm 42 now, and I realize I didn't know anything. I came up through the ranks, mini-bike, dirt bike, then worked up from a Honda 175 scrambler, and many bikes up to the two bikes I own now, an FJ1100 and a TL1000R. I truly believe if the first street bike I purchased was the TL1000R...I wouldn't be here today. I've only had 2 accidents and they were on the 175 Honda in the rain. I am knocking on wood, and thanking God for my good luck. I've had some close calls, but they were not because I was out riding my abilities, but because of some other idiot's maneuvers. The lightening fast reaction to this stupidity by others is something only learned over time. Happy riding. Gary W. Foreman EMAIL: fj1100@XXXXXX WEB: http://www.tl1000.com '99-TL1000R | '85-FJ1100 > -----Original Message----- > From: Ryan McClune [mailto:ipeverywhere@XXXXXX] > Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2000 1:55 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: comments from a "newbie" > > > Just wanted to throw my $2 (with inflation you won't > be heard if you use 2 cents) in on the topic of > newbies on liter bikes. > > This will be summer 3 of having my "M" endorsement. > I got my license on a friends '82 KZ750 LTD and > last year bought a R6 without ever being on a > sportbike. If the R6 hadn't come out I would > of been on a R1. Here are the comments. . > > If this is your first sport bike you _will_ go > down. There is no way around it. It doesn't > matter if it is a 250 or a 600 or a liter bike. > The thing is going to go down. If you have no > experience of where the power is on a sport bike > when it hits the power range while leaned over > you will fall. The thing that makes a good racer > is the ability to know where the power is and > apply it with precision while leaned over. You > don't just figure this out by reading manuals, > you learn it from experience. So go out and bye > a nice shiny bike. . just make sure you have > enough money left over for repairs and new > plastic. Also remember the lighter/faster they > seem to be making bikes the less the bikes are > meant to go down. When aluminum hits pavement > it bends and breaks. How cool do you think you > feel when at 600 miles you can look into the > engine block because you punched a hole in your > case cover on your shiny new bike. I felt pretty > dumb. > > The two pieces of advice I would give to any new > rider is take as many rider training courses as you > can. You may also look into racing courses. One of > the reasons a newbie can get on a 600cc bike and > be relatively safe is because today we have a much > better understanding of the physics of riding a bike. > It isn't so much "jump on and figure it out" there > is a science that can be applied to just about every > aspect of riding on the street. Learn that science > and then go practice it, this will keep you upright. > Secondly get the best leathers made by man (or cow). > No reason to strap your legs around a 100hp engine > if you are not prepared to slide your butt down the > road at 100mph. The ability to highside in a race > opened up in 5th gear, total the motorcycle, and > be working the next day (friend of mine) says > something > about modern armor. Again, wearing a one piece > brightly colored $1400 suite around town may not > make you popular with the ladies but neither is > sitting in a hospital bed recovering from road rash. > I recommend buying "Twist of the Wrist I and II" and > reading these a couple times. These are the Keith > Code books and he basically teaches out of them at > the CA Superbike school. > > The other comment I wanted to make was about being > able to physically handle the bike. I have a much > easier time riding my 600cc R6 then I did riding > that KZ750 even tho the KZ would only go 100mph. > Being 5'8" and 140 trying to muscle around an upright > 800lbs street bike wasn't much fun. However, throwing > around a 400lbs low sitting rocket just feels much > easier to me. It is my impression that it is much > harder to ride slow then it is to ride fast. At slower > speeds the bike will feel heavy and clunky but most > "around town" riding is done slow. At higher speeds > you have two gyros moving at a rather quick pace and > it becomes easier to convince them to move side to > side. > If you are in the shop go sit on a liter bike and if > you are not able to push it around with the engine off > then the bike is to big, you will have major trouble > around town. However if you are 6'5" and it does feel > like a toy you may be OK with a liter bike as long as > you understand throttle control and are not out to set > land speed records. > > One of the best times I had on a bike was during the > MFS course I took. We were on nighthawk 250's. The > reason it became fun is because you could really get > lose with those things and if they began to go down > you just stuck your feet down and propped them back > upright. I think this is why there is a general > impression that smaller cc is safer. It really > doesn't have to do anything with speed but it > has to do with weight and how low you are to the > ground. A liter bike is a lot of mass to throw around > and so the impression is, don't get into a situation > where you need to. If your skill level allows you > to ride the bike by following the science of things > then you will never need to "throw" the bike around. > The bike will follow the lines you set and > accelerate/brake with ease. However, being a newbie, > there is now way you can do this and you will end > up throwing the bike around until you get the "feel" > for it. Just make sure you are sitting on a bike that > you physically can throw around or you will end up > on the ground. > > My suggestion for someone starting out. Stick > with a used anything. I _wanted_ an R6 when I > went to buy my first bike and there were no > used ones so I bought new. It cost me a hell > of a lot of money to keep it running last year > and it is in no way "new" condition anymore. > If you dump a used bike and walk away then you > have not really lost as much as you would have > buying new, in fact you may not even need to > repair it just buy another used bike and keep > on riding. I told people that the reason I > got the KZ is because it came "pre-scratched". > This is a rule to live by. The ego gets pretty > bruised the first day you come home and are > making an inventory of everything that is > wrong with the bike when yesterday that list > contained zero items. > > Hmm. . I could talk about this all day. . but > will spare the rest of my stories for those that > are really interested and spare the rest of the > list. Feel free to mail me directly. Also I have > pictures of that case cover if anyone is interested. > Nothing like dropping the oil pan and taking a thumb > size piece of aluminum out. :) > > and oh yeah. . yellow lines are for pussies. Nothing > feels better then using the "whole" road. > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sat Jan 15 18:39:21 2000 Return-Path: berman@XXXXXX Received: from min.net (root@XXXXXX [208.222.210.19]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA08944 for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2000 18:39:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from min.net (berman@XXXXXX [208.222.210.19]) by min.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA09465; Sat, 15 Jan 2000 18:39:10 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 18:39:08 -0500 (EST) From: Morris Berman To: Ryan McClune cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: comments from a "newbie" In-Reply-To: <20000115185451.14941.qmail@web3102.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Here, here. A very good comment, with which I whole-heartedly agree. I started on an '82 Maxim 550. It went down a few times, all low speed. One of them the famous jump off before the kickstand is all the way down, another was U-turn on wet leaves. All the repair needed was a replaced brake lever. I got comfortable on that bike. Then went out and bought a new GPz1100 after a few years. I still ride that bike, but am just learning how to really handle it. Last year I got an '82 GS650GL. I can rally toss that bike around now and enjoy riding it just as much as the GPz and I can appreciate both. -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, berman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams On Sat, 15 Jan 2000, Ryan McClune wrote: > Just wanted to throw my $2 (with inflation you won't > be heard if you use 2 cents) in on the topic of > newbies on liter bikes. > > This will be summer 3 of having my "M" endorsement. > I got my license on a friends '82 KZ750 LTD and > last year bought a R6 without ever being on a > sportbike. If the R6 hadn't come out I would > of been on a R1. Here are the comments. . > > If this is your first sport bike you _will_ go > down. There is no way around it. It doesn't > matter if it is a 250 or a 600 or a liter bike. > The thing is going to go down. If you have no > experience of where the power is on a sport bike > when it hits the power range while leaned over > you will fall. The thing that makes a good racer > is the ability to know where the power is and > apply it with precision while leaned over. You > don't just figure this out by reading manuals, > you learn it from experience. So go out and bye > a nice shiny bike. . just make sure you have > enough money left over for repairs and new > plastic. Also remember the lighter/faster they > seem to be making bikes the less the bikes are > meant to go down. When aluminum hits pavement > it bends and breaks. How cool do you think you > feel when at 600 miles you can look into the > engine block because you punched a hole in your > case cover on your shiny new bike. I felt pretty > dumb. > > The two pieces of advice I would give to any new > rider is take as many rider training courses as you > can. You may also look into racing courses. One of > the reasons a newbie can get on a 600cc bike and > be relatively safe is because today we have a much > better understanding of the physics of riding a bike. > It isn't so much "jump on and figure it out" there > is a science that can be applied to just about every > aspect of riding on the street. Learn that science > and then go practice it, this will keep you upright. > Secondly get the best leathers made by man (or cow). > No reason to strap your legs around a 100hp engine > if you are not prepared to slide your butt down the > road at 100mph. The ability to highside in a race > opened up in 5th gear, total the motorcycle, and > be working the next day (friend of mine) says > something > about modern armor. Again, wearing a one piece > brightly colored $1400 suite around town may not > make you popular with the ladies but neither is > sitting in a hospital bed recovering from road rash. > I recommend buying "Twist of the Wrist I and II" and > reading these a couple times. These are the Keith > Code books and he basically teaches out of them at > the CA Superbike school. > > The other comment I wanted to make was about being > able to physically handle the bike. I have a much > easier time riding my 600cc R6 then I did riding > that KZ750 even tho the KZ would only go 100mph. > Being 5'8" and 140 trying to muscle around an upright > 800lbs street bike wasn't much fun. However, throwing > around a 400lbs low sitting rocket just feels much > easier to me. It is my impression that it is much > harder to ride slow then it is to ride fast. At slower > speeds the bike will feel heavy and clunky but most > "around town" riding is done slow. At higher speeds > you have two gyros moving at a rather quick pace and > it becomes easier to convince them to move side to > side. > If you are in the shop go sit on a liter bike and if > you are not able to push it around with the engine off > then the bike is to big, you will have major trouble > around town. However if you are 6'5" and it does feel > like a toy you may be OK with a liter bike as long as > you understand throttle control and are not out to set > land speed records. > > One of the best times I had on a bike was during the > MFS course I took. We were on nighthawk 250's. The > reason it became fun is because you could really get > lose with those things and if they began to go down > you just stuck your feet down and propped them back > upright. I think this is why there is a general > impression that smaller cc is safer. It really > doesn't have to do anything with speed but it > has to do with weight and how low you are to the > ground. A liter bike is a lot of mass to throw around > and so the impression is, don't get into a situation > where you need to. If your skill level allows you > to ride the bike by following the science of things > then you will never need to "throw" the bike around. > The bike will follow the lines you set and > accelerate/brake with ease. However, being a newbie, > there is now way you can do this and you will end > up throwing the bike around until you get the "feel" > for it. Just make sure you are sitting on a bike that > you physically can throw around or you will end up > on the ground. > > My suggestion for someone starting out. Stick > with a used anything. I _wanted_ an R6 when I > went to buy my first bike and there were no > used ones so I bought new. It cost me a hell > of a lot of money to keep it running last year > and it is in no way "new" condition anymore. > If you dump a used bike and walk away then you > have not really lost as much as you would have > buying new, in fact you may not even need to > repair it just buy another used bike and keep > on riding. I told people that the reason I > got the KZ is because it came "pre-scratched". > This is a rule to live by. The ego gets pretty > bruised the first day you come home and are > making an inventory of everything that is > wrong with the bike when yesterday that list > contained zero items. > > Hmm. . I could talk about this all day. . but > will spare the rest of my stories for those that > are really interested and spare the rest of the > list. Feel free to mail me directly. Also I have > pictures of that case cover if anyone is interested. > Nothing like dropping the oil pan and taking a thumb > size piece of aluminum out. :) > > and oh yeah. . yellow lines are for pussies. Nothing > feels better then using the "whole" road. > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com > From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 16 06:50:25 2000 Return-Path: jciemny@XXXXXX Received: from sodium.doubled.com (sodium.doubled.com [209.84.192.11]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA20899 for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2000 06:50:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from [209.84.202.107] (l3-209-84-202-107.doubled.com [209.84.202.107]) by sodium.doubled.com (8.10.0.Beta6/8.10.0.Beta6) with ESMTP id e0GBoM904701 for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2000 06:50:22 -0500 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200001150000.TAA13185@meretrix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 06:51:10 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Jerry Ciemny Subject: changing tread-not thread Hi all, I recently bought a 1992 750 Nighthawk, my first bike in decades of riding only people-powered two wheelers. I'm about to buy a new set of tires, and was wondering if the tire unmounting and mounting is something that the backyard mechanic-me-could do. Or, is there a place in No VA that would be willing to change my tires without sticking it to me because I didn't buy from them? Do motorcycle street tires need to be balanced like car tires? I just waited 3 weeks for a "special order" bolt to come in at Coleman's. They don't have the tires -Dunlop 591's-in stock, and I could get the tires faster and cheaper via internet. I read that 90% of tire failure happens in the last 10% of a tire's life. Thanks, Jerry Woodbridge, VA Jerry Ciemny 12767 Gazebo Court Woodbridge, VA 22192-2410 From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 16 07:40:00 2000 Return-Path: MJordan666@XXXXXX Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (imo19.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.9]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA21591 for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2000 07:39:58 -0500 (EST) From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Received: from MJordan666@XXXXXX by imo19.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.6.) id 2.8c.629315 (4454) for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2000 07:39:20 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <8c.629315.25b315f8@aol.com> Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 07:39:20 EST Subject: Re: changing tread-not thread To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 44 << I'm about to buy a new set of tires, and was wondering if the tire unmounting and mounting is something that the backyard mechanic-me-could do.>> Yes, but a pain in the butt (and then there's balancing) <> There are some shops, but ya gotta remember that at a M/C shop, you're buying a mechanic's time at $50/60/hour or so - not the lower paid help that NTB et. al. use to do your cage's tires. <> Only if you're planning to go faster than about 10 MPH Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 16 14:26:52 2000 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from PMESMTP01.wcom.com (pmesmtp01.wcom.com [199.249.20.1]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA27924 for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2000 14:26:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com ([166.37.172.6]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42256) with ESMTP id <0FOG009FH0NDA9@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sun, 16 Jan 2000 19:26:01 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzmta02.mcit.com (omzmta02.mcit.com [166.37.194.120]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id TAA22708; Sun, 16 Jan 2000 19:20:55 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.44.137.231]) by omzmta02.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 120) with SMTP id <20000116192558.MAEZ6722@[166.44.137.231]>; Sun, 16 Jan 2000 19:25:58 +0000 Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 14:23:08 -0500 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: changing tread-not thread In-reply-to: To: Jerry Ciemny , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <000401bf6057$1f04c210$e7892ca6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal You can do it yourself. The hardest part, IMO, is getting the new tire on the rim. Bead breaking can be accomplished in any number of ways. Leon Begeman uses his car jack, foot lined up next to rim. I set up a simple 2x4 lever in my garage, the idea stolen from http://www.micapeak.com/WetLeather/pages/tiremount.html Balancing is simple too, though some purists would disagree with what is good enough. If you've lined the dot on the tire up correctly (with the airvalve stem), the tire will be mostly balanced as it is. I grease up the axle with a mixture of 1/2 grease and 1/2 motor oil for superslippery non-friction. Rest the axle (after inserting into wheel hub) on two jack stands and rotate wheel slightly. Chalk line at top where it stops. Do it again, if chalk line is at top again your heavy side is at the bottom. Tape a guesstimate weight to the inside of rim at the top and do it all again until you get a random top. As for tires for this bike, skip the 591s. Or if you like, I have a brand new front tire I'll sell you for $50. I use the Michelin Macadam X90 radials. Smooth ride and sticky. The 591s are fine, but you tend to feel all the bumps in the road. IMO, they stick about the same. Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: Jerry Ciemny [mailto:jciemny@XXXXXX] > Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2000 6:51 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: changing tread-not thread > > > Hi all, > > I recently bought a 1992 750 Nighthawk, my first bike in decades of riding > only people-powered two wheelers. > > I'm about to buy a new set of tires, and was wondering if the tire > unmounting and mounting is something that the backyard mechanic-me-could > do. Or, is there a place in No VA that would be willing to change my tires > without sticking it to me because I didn't buy from them? > > Do motorcycle street tires need to be balanced like car tires? > > I just waited 3 weeks for a "special order" bolt to come in at Coleman's. > They don't have the tires -Dunlop 591's-in stock, and I could get the > tires faster and cheaper via internet. > > I read that 90% of tire failure happens in the last 10% of a tire's life. > > Thanks, > > Jerry > Woodbridge, VA > > Jerry Ciemny > 12767 Gazebo Court > Woodbridge, VA 22192-2410 > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 17 01:52:53 2000 Return-Path: dynaryder@XXXXXX Received: from mailrelay1.chek.com (gutmans.chek.com [208.197.227.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA08550 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2000 01:52:44 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 29178 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2000 06:56:21 -0000 Received: from musone.chek.com (208.197.227.27) by mailrelay1.chek.com with SMTP; 17 Jan 2000 06:56:21 -0000 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by musone.chek.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id BAA18087; Mon, 17 Jan 2000 01:49:39 -0500 Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 01:49:39 -0500 Message-Id: <200001170649.BAA18087@musone.chek.com> From: "Gil Nissley" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Originating-IP: [140.185.62.14] Subject: Re:New Buell Beginner Bike On Fri, 14 Jan 2000 16:53:53 -0400 Randy Moran wrote: >While were on the beginner topic, I happened upon this article at Motorcycle >Online. They haven't posted it to the slash page yet. This looks like a >promising development in so many ways... Like the promise of new recalls. After my experience,I wouldn't wish a Buell on my worst enemy,much less a beginner w/limited wrenching experience. The BuellBoy Emeritus. dynaryder@XXXXXX HSB#38D GATB#1121 <*> '98 Dyna Convertible '80 CB750F Sign up for your FREE Email at http://mail.chek.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 17 07:40:28 2000 Return-Path: jmoran@XXXXXX Received: from idalee.loudoun.com (idalee.loudoun.com [208.232.169.21]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA14662 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2000 07:40:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from loudoun.com (sterling-54.cybercable.com) by idalee.loudoun.com (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1998.11.13.11.10) with ESMTP id <0FOH00HFPCI8ES@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 17 Jan 2000 07:39:45 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 07:40:27 -0500 From: Randy and Julie Moran Subject: Re: New Buell Beginner Bike Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Reply-to: jmoran@XXXXXX Message-id: <38830DB9.9DA4B546@loudoun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <200001170649.BAA18087@musone.chek.com> I'm just happy to see an American manufacturer attempting to make a standard and sell it for a reasonable price. I don't imagine a single cylinder bike could be too bad to work on, and this particular one seems to be pretty elemental. The main point is the price, I think. It should attract quite a few new people to motorcycling. Randy Moran Gil Nissley wrote: > > On Fri, 14 Jan 2000 16:53:53 -0400 Randy Moran wrote: > >While were on the beginner topic, I happened upon this article at Motorcycle > >Online. They haven't posted it to the slash page yet. This looks like a > >promising development in so many ways... > > Like the promise of new recalls. After my experience,I wouldn't wish a Buell on my worst enemy,much less a beginner w/limited wrenching experience. From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 17 08:09:17 2000 Return-Path: nsuesse@XXXXXX Received: from mail.greypilgrim.com ([209.8.223.251]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA15117 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2000 08:09:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.83] ([192.168.1.83]) by mail.greypilgrim.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id IAA02964; Mon, 17 Jan 2000 08:04:36 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nsuesse@XXXXXX Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <002001bf5eda$b0ffd160$6d6aaccf@oemcomputer> References: <002001bf5eda$b0ffd160$6d6aaccf@oemcomputer> Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 08:10:07 -0500 To: "Danny Thompson" From: Ned Suesse Subject: Re: newbie on a liter bike? Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Re the Ducati's to learn on... I wanted a Monster in the worst way (still do) but couldn't live with the price and frequency of valve adjustments and other maintenance. I also wanted a fairing, but the 900ss didn't help me with the cost of upkeep. And the SV's were all gone, as well as being fairingless, as well as being much more costly to insure (oddly enough). The 750 seemed too small- I didn't like how it looked (single disk, etc) and my dirtbike makes almost as much power. I bought the CBR because it won't nickel and dime me to death (I hope). Ned >How about a Duc 750 or monster? >Danny >'99 VFR >'99 SV >Warrenton, VA >----- Original Message ----- >From: Jay St. Peter >To: >Cc: >Sent: Friday, January 14, 2000 7:32 PM >Subject: Re: newbie on a liter bike? From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 17 09:19:39 2000 Return-Path: nsuesse@XXXXXX Received: from mail.greypilgrim.com ([209.8.223.251]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA17101 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2000 09:19:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.83] ([192.168.1.83]) by mail.greypilgrim.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id JAA03820; Mon, 17 Jan 2000 09:14:58 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nsuesse@XXXXXX Message-Id: Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 09:19:29 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Ned Suesse Subject: [Non-Moto] Cars for sale Cc: jsuesse@XXXXXX, zmully@XXXXXX Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Hello all, I am selling my sister's 1988 4 door LX Honda Accord (affectionately named Jane) for her. Jane has only 99,000 miles, and is in excellent condition. My sister has recently moved to NYC, which forces the sale. Jane is beige, and has a small amount of body rust owing to her history in Syracuse, NY. Maroon interior is in excellent condition (unbelievable, actually), and she has an Automatic Transmission. She has all of the amenities of the LX package (AC, Cruise Control, AM/FM Cassette, Power windows and Locks, etc) She has recently had a full new exhaust system and all new brakes and rotors and has had regular oil changes at 3,000 mile intervals. Overall condition is excellent. Asking Price is $4700 (blue book is $4950). My roomate is selling: 1986 Mercury Grand Marquis 4D Sedan White, 5.0L V8, 70K miles (2nd owner, first owner was grandmother so no hard miles on this car), power seats, windows, mirrors, locks, MD inspected and smogged, blue velour interior, interior in great condition, no body rust, few shallow dents, new battery, alternator, muffler and A/C was recharged this summer. $2500 obo Please email me off-list if interested, or call me at (301) 990-2821. Ned 96-CBR 600F3 94-XR 600R From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 17 11:48:41 2000 Return-Path: mjay@XXXXXX Received: from resolver.treev.com ([38.183.229.13]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA19730 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2000 11:48:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from tralfaz.herndon.treev.com (treev.com [10.1.1.24]) by resolver.treev.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA05443; Mon, 17 Jan 2000 11:47:51 -0500 (EST) Received: by tralfaz.treev.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Mon, 17 Jan 2000 11:53:25 -0500 Message-ID: <22F6F36CA6A3D111B95A006097177427018D128F@tralfaz.treev.com> From: Michael Jay To: "'Hugh Caldwell'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Wind Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 11:53:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Side stand and blew it from left to right, that is, from leaning into the wind over to the side without the stand. Mike -----Original Message----- From: Hugh Caldwell [mailto:twg@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, January 14, 2000 2:31 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Wind On Fri, 14 Jan 2000, Michael Jay wrote: > Make that #$%$#$%^$% wind. > > I came home to find my dear ol' Seca blown over > on its side much to my sorrow. Was the bike on the sidestand or the centerstand? ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 17 11:49:45 2000 Return-Path: mjay@XXXXXX Received: from resolver.treev.com ([38.183.229.13]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA19740 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2000 11:49:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from tralfaz.herndon.treev.com (treev.com [10.1.1.24]) by resolver.treev.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA05462; Mon, 17 Jan 2000 11:49:40 -0500 (EST) Received: by tralfaz.treev.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Mon, 17 Jan 2000 11:55:13 -0500 Message-ID: <22F6F36CA6A3D111B95A006097177427018D1290@tralfaz.treev.com> From: Michael Jay To: "'Louis F. Caplan'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Wind Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 11:55:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain >Ouch!!! Sorry to hear that! Did it have a cover on it? A few years ago we >had a big gust of wind that grabbed my bike cover and acted like a perfect >sail, Kerplop! Yes, the cover was on the bike. Mike From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 17 16:19:05 2000 Return-Path: kwoods@XXXXXX Received: from kens.com (kens.com [129.250.30.40]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA24512 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2000 16:19:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from kens.com (kens.com [129.250.30.40]) by kens.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-mod-for-majordomo) with ESMTP id QAA07812; Mon, 17 Jan 2000 16:19:02 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 16:19:02 -0500 (EST) From: Ken Woods To: Ryan McClune cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: comments from a "newbie" In-Reply-To: <20000115185451.14941.qmail@web3102.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 15 Jan 2000, Ryan McClune wrote: (diatribe snipped) Ryan, just a question, so don't take offense. How old are you? -- Ken Woods kwoods@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 17 17:35:50 2000 Return-Path: jbroga@XXXXXX Received: from idalee.loudoun.com (idalee.loudoun.com [208.232.169.21]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA25783 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2000 17:35:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from default (sterling-223.cybercable.com) by idalee.loudoun.com (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1998.11.13.11.10) with SMTP id <0FOI005M742J6R@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 17 Jan 2000 17:35:08 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 17:32:40 -0500 From: JEM Broga Subject: AGV Boots for sale To: sv650@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <002901bf613a$c4001380$df2fbccc@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-Priority: 3 AGV Sport 585's, Size 9, ( I wear size 10 in Nike) raced one season, toe worn a bit on right boot, nothing that a new slider won't cover up. Red, White and Gun (no threads please DC!) color scheme. $100 see photo : http://www.agvsportsgroup.com/boots/585/index.htm Jonathan Broga JEM Racing '99 SV650X - CCS#500 Sponsored by: http://www.speed-werks.com http://www.centurypool.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 17 18:27:01 2000 Return-Path: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (imo19.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.9]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA26586 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2000 18:27:00 -0500 (EST) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo19.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.6.) id 2.a0.10d092 (4539); Mon, 17 Jan 2000 18:26:26 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 18:26:25 EST Subject: Bye-bye FZR To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, exup@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 44 DC-Cycles Guys & Gals and my EXUP Brothers & Sisters Well, I sold my FZR tonight. Got my deposit down on a r/w/b 2000 R6. Hopefully it will be here soon. :-) I miss riding already. LOL All-in-all, I guess this is the perfect timw to do this. By the time I get my new bike, it should be warm enough to ride it. ;-) Bad thing is, I wasn't able to get my pesonalized Las Vegas EXUP Brotherhood sticker off of it. I'm bummed. :-( Any way of getting a replacement? Happy riding everyone. Happy riding everyone. And think of me while you're doing it. Scooter From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 17 20:12:52 2000 Return-Path: nighthawk700@XXXXXX Received: from web303.mail.yahoo.com (web303.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA28518 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2000 20:12:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 20300 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Jan 2000 01:12:48 -0000 Message-ID: <20000118011248.20299.qmail@web303.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [151.200.117.198] by web303.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 17 Jan 2000 17:12:48 PST Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 17:12:48 -0800 (PST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Looking for range aids To: DC-Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In March the MSF Motorcycle courses will begin again at the Alexandria and Loudoun campuses of the Northern Virginia Community College. Both campuses currently have a shortage of range aids. Range aids are the people who help us keep things moving by setting up and clearing off the cones between exercises, filling the bikes with gas after the course, and possibly some other things depending on the course needs. These aren't just volunteers, during a full class (24 students) the pay is $156 for the weekend (Saturday & Sunday), and during a half class (12 students), it is $78. (Half classes are typically in July and August) At the Loudoun campus, range aids are also paid $40 for an ERC (Sunday afternoon, held infrequently, would probably get about a week's notice) Courses in Alexandria run through mid-November, courses in Loudoun run until early December. If you are interested in being a range aid, the people to contact are: NVCC Alexandria: Louie Kyler, 703-845-6110, lkyler@XXXXXX NVCC Loudoun: Claire Wynne (nvwynnc@XXXXXX) or David Hepburn (dhepburn@XXXXXX) 703-450-2551 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 17 21:45:58 2000 Return-Path: rmeyer@XXXXXX Received: from mail2.mgfairfax.rr.com (fe2.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA00185 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2000 21:45:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from VIRGINIA ([24.28.208.42]) by mail2.mgfairfax.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.197.19); Mon, 17 Jan 2000 21:45:42 -0500 Reply-To: From: "RMeyer" To: Subject: RE: changing tread-not thread Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 21:44:25 -0500 Message-ID: <000301bf615d$ee98b020$0300a8c0@VIRGINIA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Importance: Normal I've about decided to mortgage one of my children and by a Roadcrafter. But first, I wonder if anyone has used one and DOESN'T like it? If so, why? Thanks, In The Wind, Bob Meyer 1992 ST1100 (Red STag), STOC #1157 ============================================= People are more violently opposed to fur than leather, because it's safer to pick on rich women than biker gangs. From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 17 22:19:10 2000 Return-Path: rmeyer@XXXXXX Received: from mail2.mgfairfax.rr.com (fe2.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA00858 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2000 22:19:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from VIRGINIA ([24.28.208.42]) by mail2.mgfairfax.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.197.19); Mon, 17 Jan 2000 22:19:02 -0500 Reply-To: From: "RMeyer" To: Subject: Anyone not like Aerostitch Roadcrafter? Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 22:17:45 -0500 Message-ID: <000401bf6162$96b99fe0$0300a8c0@VIRGINIA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <000301bf615d$ee98b020$0300a8c0@VIRGINIA> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Importance: Normal OOPS! Forgive me for the prior post with the wrong subject header. I got lazy and forgot to change the subject. My most humble and abject apologies. Yeah, right! Bob > > > I've about decided to mortgage one of my children and by a > Roadcrafter. But > first, I wonder if anyone has used one and DOESN'T like it? If so, why? > > Thanks, > > In The Wind, > Bob Meyer > 1992 ST1100 (Red STag), STOC #1157 > ============================================= > People are more violently opposed to fur than leather, because > it's safer to > pick on rich women than biker gangs. > From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 17 23:51:50 2000 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from web307.mail.yahoo.com (web307.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.238]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA02528 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2000 23:51:47 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 2798 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Jan 2000 04:51:46 -0000 Message-ID: <20000118045146.2797.qmail@web307.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.213.156.121] by web307.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 17 Jan 2000 20:51:46 PST Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 20:51:46 -0800 (PST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: Comments from a "newbie" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Ryan, Some interesting comments, and I agree with some of em, but have to disagree with others... I holeheartedly agree, that if you ride long enough, you will eventually go down. I also agree that you should buy the best safety gear you can possibly afford... If that means buying an 85 V500F P.O.S. for $500 and spend $1500 ona set of nice leathers and helmet, so be it...Nothing frightens me more than seeing someone on a shiny new crotch rocket wearing regular clothes and a helmet, then trying to wick up the speed.. I REFUSE to ride with that person.... However, I don't think one should go looking to find that first time on the pavement so quickly...I have to disagree with you on buying the bigger powered bikes (and I lump anyhthing putting out about 95hp on in this category, i.e.. MOST of the modern 600's and up). It is just too much for a newbie's brain to figure out... I'll try to explain my rationale... For someone like me that has ridden now for about 19 years, there are a lot of situations that I react to as second nature. However, these sorts of things are NOT natural reactions, they are learned with experience... you WILL make mistakes.. even now with lots of experience under the belt, I make em too... It's dealing with them that makes the difference.... One of THE BIGGEST MISTAKES that I've seen newbies (and done myself a long time ago) do in a panic situation is grab a handful of gas...On a "tame" bike like an FZR600, GS500, EX500, VF500, ninja250, nighthawk 700, SV650 ...well you get the picture, grabbing a handful of gas will still be bad, but you just might have time to recover from that mistake, or, the end results will be relatively minor.....Now picture the same mistake on a high output bike....the bike reacts instantly to the throttle input which results in A) RAPID increase in speeds. B) wheel spin C) unexpected wheelies (especially while leaned over) D) combinations of all the above. I was lucky in that I lived out in the boonies when I was young, and started out on a 50cc little dirt bike... I moved on to 80 cc, then had several 100-175 cc bikes, both full dirt, and street legal enduros. My first "real" street only bike was an 82 KZ650.. a hefty sucker, but manageable by that point.. I also got into dirt bike racing .. both 125's and 250's... I have yet to ride anything else as peaky as a two stroke dirt bike set up to race! I've got lots of opinions so take em with a grain of salt. I am probably the one of the fastest people you will ever meet. I'm also one of the nicest fellas you will meet (both can be backed up by other listers......). You don't need a liter bike to be cool, you don't need a liter bike to be fast. I love taking my old Maxim 650 (luggage rack and all) out and lead the "fast" group on rides...My ego likes hearing about how "fast" the pace was when we stop for lunch too ;-) Besides, it's pretty fun whooping up on big bikes with a beat up junker...Thanks to Randy Moran though, I have a new little tool for the street, and unfortunately, after my little ride yesterday, I can tell it is waaaay to easy to go too fast on the little Bandit 400 I got from him. No, it won't beat any of the DCSportbike club guys out on a long straight stretch, but give me a set of twisties... lol Ok.. so I've been rambling again.. sorry folks... I agree with you on the leathers too... I walked away from two 135mph+ crashes in turn 4 at summit this year with nothing more than a broken pinky finger (caused by my finger getting in between the clipon and the ground as it snapped the bar!). If you're buddy walked away from a 5th gear HIGHSIDE without any injuries, he needs to say a few prayers... I have never seen a highside without some injuries... (got a nice sore neck (still) and a light concussion out of my highside in Ohio this summer). I guess if you are still reading, my bottom line is yes, you are right.. get a bike that you can physically move around with comfortably, but make sure that that bike doesn't have so much potential that it will get you in over your head in half a heartbeat. Collin (It was sooo nice in VA yesterday.... now I'm back home and it's a regular blizzard with 6 inches on the ground and still falling hard :( .....) ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 18 00:01:27 2000 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from web306.mail.yahoo.com (web306.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.237]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA02696 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 00:01:26 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 16272 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Jan 2000 05:01:23 -0000 Message-ID: <20000118050123.16271.qmail@web306.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.213.156.121] by web306.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 17 Jan 2000 21:01:23 PST Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 21:01:23 -0800 (PST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: Comments from a "newbie" (more) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Oh yeah... forgot to comment on one thing... I am all for making a double yellow pass if it is safe, but saying to ignore the yellow and use the whole road is quite frankly moronic! Not meaning any personal insults, but that kind of riding leaves you with zero margin for error.. and on the street, there are just too many unknowns... Nothing more annoying than one time I was railing up the mountain along 211 and I came upon three goofs (2 CBR900's and a GSXR750), and I had to slow down almost 20 miles per hour cause thes idiots were using all of both lanes to take the corners (and they were barely doing it at that!)... and on the maxim, it's whopping 50hp (being generous here) made it impossible to thrust past them on the little straights.. :( Talked to em a bit at the top of the hill.. they weren't bad guys or anything, just goofs... did a couple of up and overs with them, but I made them let me in front to start with...(they were all cracking about how they were going to wave as they wheelied past ;-)) needless to say, the conversation the next time we stopped at the top was pretty funny... Collin ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 18 00:08:46 2000 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA02806 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 00:08:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from web306.mail.yahoo.com (web306.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.237]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id AAA06775 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 00:08:41 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 17085 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Jan 2000 05:08:40 -0000 Message-ID: <20000118050840.17084.qmail@web306.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.213.156.121] by web306.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 17 Jan 2000 21:08:40 PST Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 21:08:40 -0800 (PST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: wind and cold To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'll second (third) that it sucks!!!! while the riding weather was quite sweet yesterday afternoon, riding from the Leesburgh direction all the way down to Woodbridge last night around 9PM with fully perforated leathers and my lightweight gloves on was downright painfull!! CT ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 18 00:18:22 2000 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA02962 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 00:18:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from web305.mail.yahoo.com (web305.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.236]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id AAA07475 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 00:18:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 20063 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Jan 2000 05:18:14 -0000 Message-ID: <20000118051814.20062.qmail@web305.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.213.156.121] by web305.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 17 Jan 2000 21:18:14 PST Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 21:18:14 -0800 (PST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Awards and schedule To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Just wanted to say a big thank you to my DCC friends.... Saturday night I received the MARRC Heavyweight Amateur Rider of the Year award at the annual banquet. I'm sure a few of my votes came from you folks. Also a BIG thank you to those that came out to the track this season to watch me and the gang race.... through the good times with the numerous 1st place trophies, and even the bad times when there were pieces of me and the bike strewn from one end of the pit area to the other (and some never found!! lol) And of course, an even bigger thanks to my pit mates and anyone else that took an active role making things happen. I'm just starting to get ready for the new season... with the distance, I will probably only make it to Summit Point a few times, but I am already looking forward to it (may just have to do that 4 hour endurance race this season) To give folks an idea of what this season looks like.... This season's results means that I will be putting on the white expert plates. I plan on primarily running the GLRRA series up this way for points. I'm also going to try and hit some of the FASTRAX events at Nelson Ledges in Ohio as well as some of the WERA Mid-America rounds. And of course, I'd like to hit a round or two at my home track Summit Point whenever possible. The ultimate goal this season is to qualify and participate in the AMA 750 Supersport round at Mid-Ohio this coming july....I am pretty confident that I can make the grid;however, the big prayer is that I will actually have the money to do it....we'll see.. If anyone has ideas for sponsorship, feel free to let me know... only costs me a little time and 30 some odd cents to send a letter asking for help! Collin ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 18 00:33:20 2000 Return-Path: dynaryder@XXXXXX Received: from mailrelay1.chek.com (gutmans.chek.com [208.197.227.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA03212 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 00:33:19 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 3161 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2000 05:37:05 -0000 Received: from musone.chek.com (208.197.227.27) by mailrelay1.chek.com with SMTP; 18 Jan 2000 05:37:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 4376 invoked by uid 65534); 18 Jan 2000 05:30:12 -0000 Date: 18 Jan 2000 05:30:12 -0000 Message-ID: <20000118053012.4375.qmail@musone.chek.com> From: "Gil Nissley" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Originating-IP: [140.185.62.14] Subject: Re: New Buell Beginner Bike On Mon, 17 Jan 2000 07:40:27 -0500 Randy and Julie Moran wrote: >I'm just happy to see an American manufacturer attempting to make a >standard and sell it for a reasonable price. I had similar thoughts about a 'Merican sportbike when I bought my first Buell. Big let down. >I don't imagine a single >cylinder bike could be too bad to work on, and this particular one seems >to be pretty elemental. Things are pretty tightly packed into Buells. They're tiny bikes. And unless their build quality and design has increased several-fold,they're gonna have probs. Only machines I've ever seen where I would whole-heartedly recommend buying an extended warranty. >The main point is the price, I think. Yes,considering the slashed prices on the rest of the line,Blasts will prolly be cheap. And you'll get what you pay for. >It should >attract quite a few new people to motorcycling. And send them away the first time they're stranded at the side of the road. Buells are known for this(mine did me 4 times). The BuellBoy Emeritus. dynaryder@XXXXXX HSB#38D GATB#1121 <*> '98 Dyna Convertible '80 CB750F Sign up for your FREE Email at http://mail.chek.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 18 00:33:44 2000 Return-Path: jip98@XXXXXX Received: from amerchem.acs.org (amerchem.acs.org [208.209.231.223]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA03221 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 00:33:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from wash24.acs.org by amerchem.acs.org (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id AAA27409; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 00:33:09 -0500 Received: from wash58.acs.org (wash58.acs.org [134.243.200.8]) by wash24.acs.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA02194 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 00:33:08 -0500 (EST) Received: by wash58.acs.org with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 00:29:46 -0500 Message-ID: <9501B54F9880D211B44600A0C9EBEE962EC127@wash58.acs.org> From: Jason Picton To: "''dc-cycles@XXXXXX' '" Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 00:29:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Unsubscribe From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 18 00:43:17 2000 Return-Path: dynaryder@XXXXXX Received: from mailrelay1.chek.com (gutmans.chek.com [208.197.227.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA03377 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 00:43:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 5123 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2000 05:47:03 -0000 Received: from musone.chek.com (208.197.227.27) by mailrelay1.chek.com with SMTP; 18 Jan 2000 05:47:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 5311 invoked by uid 65534); 18 Jan 2000 05:40:10 -0000 Date: 18 Jan 2000 05:40:10 -0000 Message-ID: <20000118054010.5310.qmail@musone.chek.com> From: "Gil Nissley" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Originating-IP: [140.185.62.14] Subject: RE: Wind On Mon, 17 Jan 2000 11:55:11 -0500 Michael Jay wrote: >>had a big gust of wind that grabbed my bike cover and acted like a perfect >>sail, Kerplop! >Yes, the cover was on the bike. From my experience of living on military bases(read: wide open parking lots w/no cover) I've found it best in high winds to pull the cover off the bike. Better it get wet than blown over. Something you might want to look into is that monopod stand. Can't remember who makes it,but I saw it reviewed in _MCN_. It looks kinda like a crutch,and you wedge it on the right side of your bike,opposite the kickstand. Supposably,it'll keep the bike up in fairly stiff(non-hurricane) winds. The BuellBoy Emeritus. dynaryder@XXXXXX HSB#38D GATB#1121 <*> '98 Dyna Convertible '80 CB750F Sign up for your FREE Email at http://mail.chek.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 18 07:26:02 2000 Return-Path: bernescut@XXXXXX Received: from raphael.catholic.org (root@XXXXXX [207.95.245.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA10530 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 07:26:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from cedric ([12.4.21.97]) by raphael.catholic.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id EAA11167 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 04:25:42 -0800 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 07:19:44 -0500 Message-ID: <01BF6184.64BC42A0.bernescut@ncea.org> From: Cedric Bernescut Reply-To: "bernescut@XXXXXX" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: anyone riding? Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 07:19:43 -0500 Organization: NCEA X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Pretty chilly this morning. 17 degrees in my neck of the woods, 2 degrees with wind chill. I didn't see anyone else out there today on I66, anyone else riding? Cedric 1996 CBR600F3 AMA 663626 Annandale, VA From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 18 07:49:17 2000 Return-Path: ksenser@XXXXXX Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA10933 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 07:49:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from techsup-gw.spg.va.rcn.net ([207.172.7.13] helo=wsdellu9wly) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12AY3s-0007ME-00; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 07:48:40 -0500 Message-ID: <006e01bf61b2$05072310$bb5e800a@wsdellu9wly.spg.va.corp.rcn.net> From: "Kirt S." To: , Subject: Re: anyone riding? Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 07:46:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 WOO HOO...CBR riders of Annandale unite! I rode... Froze my nuts off, but that's quite all right. :-) Just another aerostich endorsement. Buy one.... The only thing cold was my hands and feet and the air I was breathing... Anyone else riding keep in mind cold tires = slippage, and black ice is nigh invisible. Be careful. Kirt 1999 CBR600F4 Annandale, Va -----Original Message----- From: Cedric Bernescut To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' < > Date: Tuesday, January 18, 2000 7:31 AM Subject: anyone riding? >Pretty chilly this morning. 17 degrees in my neck of the woods, 2 degrees >with wind chill. I didn't see anyone else out there today on I66, anyone >else riding? >Cedric >1996 CBR600F3 >AMA 663626 >Annandale, VA > > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 18 07:56:02 2000 Return-Path: ljtanner@XXXXXX Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA11015 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 07:56:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from 207-172-41-231.s231.tnt10.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.41.231] helo=oemcomputer) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12AYAA-0006Tr-00 for DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 07:55:10 -0500 From: "LindaT" To: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: RE: anyone riding? Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 07:53:44 -0500 Message-ID: <01b301bf61b3$0ddd2420$4d23accf@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <01BF6184.64BC42A0.bernescut@ncea.org> I'm not riding my new RT this morning. Not because of the cold (for those of us wired), but because of the possible snow (EEK, slip, slide, BOOM). Waiting for the next non-snow-forecast day... LindaT. 99 R1100RT name tbd 95 F3 Purple Haze (66K miles and counting...) 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing (0 miles and not counting) http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ Cedric Bernescut asked: Pretty chilly this morning. 17 degrees in my neck of the woods, 2 degrees with wind chill. I didn't see anyone else out there today on I66, anyone else riding? Cedric 1996 CBR600F3 AMA 663626 Annandale, VA From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 18 08:11:40 2000 Return-Path: bernescut@XXXXXX Received: from raphael.catholic.org (root@XXXXXX [207.95.245.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA11256 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 08:11:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from cedric ([12.4.21.97]) by raphael.catholic.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id FAA19232; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 05:11:33 -0800 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 08:05:35 -0500 Message-ID: <01BF618A.CC8F7CC0.bernescut@ncea.org> From: Cedric Bernescut Reply-To: "bernescut@XXXXXX" To: "'LindaT'" , DC-CYCLES Subject: RE: anyone riding? Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 08:05:34 -0500 Organization: NCEA X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ha!, its just a flesh wound (gratuitous MP reference) It said this morning that it would be but a flurry or two, of course ask me this afternoon and I could very well find myself thoroughly chagrined and castigated. Cedric -----Original Message----- From: LindaT [SMTP:ljtanner@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2000 7:54 AM To: DC-CYCLES Subject: RE: anyone riding? I'm not riding my new RT this morning. Not because of the cold (for those of us wired), but because of the possible snow (EEK, slip, slide, BOOM). Waiting for the next non-snow-forecast day... LindaT. 99 R1100RT name tbd 95 F3 Purple Haze (66K miles and counting...) 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing (0 miles and not counting) http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ Cedric Bernescut asked: Pretty chilly this morning. 17 degrees in my neck of the woods, 2 degrees with wind chill. I didn't see anyone else out there today on I66, anyone else riding? Cedric 1996 CBR600F3 AMA 663626 Annandale, VA From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 18 09:22:43 2000 Return-Path: pawilson@XXXXXX Received: from mail.digizen.net (mail.digizen.net [209.194.78.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA12386 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 09:22:42 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200001181422.JAA12386@meretrix.com> Received: (qmail 22557 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2000 14:21:35 -0000 Received: from ppp3-136.digizen.net (HELO palladio) (209.194.78.136) by mail.digizen.net with SMTP; 18 Jan 2000 14:21:35 -0000 From: "Paul A. Wilson" To: Subject: Re: anyone riding? Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 09:19:11 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'll second the warning about cold tires. A little squirrelly in a turn this morning. Also a big "thank you" to the numbskull that spilled diesel fuel at a stop light on my route. I would rather have cold and dry than warm and wet. We'll see what the evening brings. Paul Wilson Washington DC 91 CB750 ---------- > From: Kirt S. > To: bernescut@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: anyone riding? > Date: Tuesday, January 18, 2000 7:46 AM > > WOO HOO...CBR riders of Annandale unite! I rode... Froze my nuts off, but > that's quite all right. :-) Just another aerostich endorsement. Buy > one.... The only thing cold was my hands and feet and the air I was > breathing... Anyone else riding keep in mind cold tires = slippage, and > black ice is nigh invisible. Be careful. > > Kirt > 1999 CBR600F4 > Annandale, Va From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 18 09:39:11 2000 Return-Path: Cathy.Love@XXXXXX Received: from dasmttayz003.sam.pentagon.mil (dasmttayz003.sam.pentagon.mil [140.185.20.151]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA12647 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 09:39:06 -0500 (EST) Received: by dasmttayz003 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.10) id ; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 09:38:04 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Love, Cathy, Ms, SAM-OPNR" To: "''dc-cycles@XXXXXX' '" Subject: Unsubscribe Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 08:50:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.10) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Unsubscribe. From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 18 09:55:19 2000 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA12885 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 09:55:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from PMESMTP02.wcom.com (pmesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.20.2]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id JAA21292 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 09:55:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com ([166.37.172.6]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #41713) with ESMTP id <0FOJ001B8DD5Q0@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 14:53:30 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omta4.mcit.com (omta4.mcit.com [166.37.204.6]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id OAA10738; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 14:48:22 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.36.176.174]) by omta4.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <20000118145525.EFKA32241@toddnt>; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 14:55:25 +0000 Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 09:50:30 -0500 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: wind and cold In-reply-to: <20000118050840.17084.qmail@web306.mail.yahoo.com> To: "Collin T. Fagan" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <000401bf61c3$5d593e70$aeb024a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal That's insanity! I drove home from Arlington around that time last night and was cold :| Rode in this morning with rain pants on and the Darien w/liner. Had a balaclava on and those thick, ski-like gloves. Pant's tucked into boots. I could still feel the cold but it wasn't right on me. You sir, are crazy! T > -----Original Message----- > From: Collin T. Fagan [mailto:gixer_racer@XXXXXX] > > I'll second (third) that it sucks!!!! > > while the riding weather was quite sweet yesterday afternoon, riding > from the Leesburgh direction all the way down to Woodbridge last night > around 9PM with fully perforated leathers and my lightweight gloves on > was downright painfull!! From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 18 09:59:08 2000 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from PMESMTP02.wcom.com (pmesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.20.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA12971 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 09:59:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com ([166.37.204.49]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #41713) with ESMTP id <0FOJ001FNDD7QV@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 14:53:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omta4.mcit.com (omta4.mcit.com [166.37.204.6]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id OAA05079 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 14:53:32 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.36.176.174]) by omta4.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <20000118145526.EFKD32241@toddnt> for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 14:55:27 +0000 Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 09:50:31 -0500 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: anyone riding? In-reply-to: <01BF6184.64BC42A0.bernescut@ncea.org> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <000501bf61c3$5e151460$aeb024a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal It's funny what a difference in temperature, a difference in rider numbers make. I was out Saturday for about 45 minutes riding the Burke, Lorton area roads and there was nary another rider. Out on Sunday and I counted 4 groups of three and many single and two up riders buzzing the same roads. This morning, all by myself again. 20 degrees in West Springfield this morning. > -----Original Message----- > From: Cedric Bernescut [mailto:bernescut@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2000 7:20 AM > To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > Subject: anyone riding? > > > Pretty chilly this morning. 17 degrees in my neck of the woods, > 2 degrees > with wind chill. I didn't see anyone else out there today on I66, anyone > else riding? > Cedric > 1996 CBR600F3 > AMA 663626 > Annandale, VA > > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 18 10:06:50 2000 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA13136 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 10:06:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA26751 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 10:06:15 -0500 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000118100354.00c33a10@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 10:06:12 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Unsubscribe In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 08:50 AM 1/18/00 100 people wrote to the list: >Unsubscribe. Christ - they go in droves! Why is it so hard to go to the website and read unsub procedures? http://www.dc-cycles.org/ Email the human at dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 Eat right. Stay fit. Die anyway. From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 18 10:11:22 2000 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from PMESMTP01.wcom.com (pmesmtp01.wcom.com [199.249.20.1]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA13149 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 10:11:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com ([166.37.172.49]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42256) with ESMTP id <0FOJ00HBGDWPNW@XXXXXX> for DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 15:05:14 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omta4.mcit.com (omta4.mcit.com [166.37.204.6]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA01481; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 15:03:26 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.36.176.174]) by omta4.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <20000118150705.EIUI32241@toddnt>; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 15:07:05 +0000 Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 10:02:10 -0500 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: anyone riding? In-reply-to: <01b301bf61b3$0ddd2420$4d23accf@oemcomputer> To: LindaT , DC-CYCLES Message-id: <000601bf61c4$fe911af0$aeb024a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Snow!!! =8-0 I didn't see that report this morning. > -----Original Message----- > From: LindaT [mailto:ljtanner@XXXXXX] > > I'm not riding my new RT this morning. Not because of the cold (for those > of us wired), but because of the possible snow (EEK, slip, slide, BOOM). > > Waiting for the next non-snow-forecast day... > From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 18 10:32:01 2000 Return-Path: dhallis@XXXXXX Received: from hotmail.com (law-f117.hotmail.com [209.185.131.180]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA13581 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 10:32:00 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 63767 invoked by uid 0); 18 Jan 2000 15:31:27 -0000 Message-ID: <20000118153127.63766.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 204.193.255.42 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 07:31:27 PST X-Originating-IP: [204.193.255.42] From: "Doug Allis" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: anyone riding? Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 07:31:27 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I rode my PC into work this am. Cold doesn't botheer me much, but IF it snows this afternoon I will be riding Metro and the bus back to Springfield tonight. My wife and I were also out Sunday, sweating at 3:00pm then reaching for the jacket liners at 6:00pm. Someone said the good weather brings out riders. I agree, my wife who's a warm weather rider, went out of her way to get the baby siter to come a couple of hours early so we could "take the bike" for a spin in the sun before an evening out. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 18 10:52:22 2000 Return-Path: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA13899 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 10:52:20 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id KAA07257; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 10:52:20 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma006526; Tue, 18 Jan 00 10:51:41 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FOJ009CLG1I32@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 10:51:19 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 8525686A.00570E50 ; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 10:50:52 -0500 Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 10:51:14 -0500 Subject: Re: anyone riding? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <8525686A.005705D9.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMERICAS-US@INTL If Murphy has his way, it will be cold AND wet. --chris To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: From: "Paul A. Wilson" Date: 01/18/2000 02:19:11 PM GMT Subject: Re: anyone riding? I'll second the warning about cold tires. A little squirrelly in a turn this morning. Also a big "thank you" to the numbskull that spilled diesel fuel at a stop light on my route. I would rather have cold and dry than warm and wet. We'll see what the evening brings. ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. 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From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 18 10:54:02 2000 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA13909 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 10:54:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA24662 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 10:53:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from idalee.loudoun.com (idalee.loudoun.com [208.232.169.21]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA07258 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 10:53:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from lcsa3 (mail.lcsa.org) by idalee.loudoun.com (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1998.11.13.11.10) with SMTP id <0FOJ00COHG4IY3@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 10:53:07 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 10:55:15 -0500 From: Gary Foreman Subject: RE: Unsubscribe In-reply-to: To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Message-id: <00ed01bf61cc$692ddfe0$1700a8c0@loudoun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Rebel without a clue :-) > -----Original Message----- > From: Love, Cathy, Ms, SAM-OPNR [mailto:Cathy.Love@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2000 8:50 AM > To: ''dc-cycles@XXXXXX' ' > Subject: Unsubscribe > > > Unsubscribe. > From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 18 11:02:19 2000 Return-Path: mriderleon@XXXXXX Received: from web903.mail.yahoo.com (web903.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.78]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA14112 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 11:02:18 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 18576 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Jan 2000 16:02:11 -0000 Message-ID: <20000118160211.18575.qmail@web903.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.229.31.22] by web903.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 08:02:11 PST Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 08:02:11 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: anyone riding? To: "bernescut@XXXXXX" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Two other bikes passed me in this AM on I95/395. Leon. --- Cedric Bernescut wrote: > Pretty chilly this morning. 17 degrees in my neck > of the woods, 2 degrees > with wind chill. I didn't see anyone else out there > today on I66, anyone > else riding? > Cedric > 1996 CBR600F3 > AMA 663626 > Annandale, VA > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 18 11:05:54 2000 Return-Path: mriderleon@XXXXXX Received: from web906.mail.yahoo.com (web906.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.81]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA14211 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 11:05:53 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 4550 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Jan 2000 16:05:03 -0000 Message-ID: <20000118160503.4549.qmail@web906.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.229.31.22] by web906.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 08:05:03 PST Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 08:05:03 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: anyone riding? To: "Paul A. Wilson" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- "Paul A. Wilson" wrote: > I would rather have cold and dry than warm and wet. Agree, but cold and wet really sucks. It's almost bad enough to wish the temp would drop a few more degrees because ice won't soak through. Leon. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 18 11:26:40 2000 Return-Path: razzsounds@XXXXXX Received: from hotmail.com (f83.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.83]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA14508 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 11:26:39 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 24910 invoked by uid 0); 18 Jan 2000 16:26:02 -0000 Message-ID: <20000118162602.24909.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 199.217.89.183 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 08:26:02 PST X-Originating-IP: [199.217.89.183] From: "Razz Man" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: anyone riding? Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 11:26:02 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Cold is no biggie....my rule is "if it ain't rainin or snowin', I'm on 2 wheels." >Pretty chilly this morning. 17 degrees in my neck of the woods, 2 degrees >with wind chill. I didn't see anyone else out there today on I66, anyone >else riding? >Cedric >1996 CBR600F3 >AMA 663626 >Annandale, VA > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 18 12:11:55 2000 Return-Path: horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mail.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA15400 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 12:11:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71] by tidalwave.net (SMTPD32-5.05) id AE82A850102; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 12:10:26 -0500 From: "Horkster" Reply-To: "Horkster" Date: Tue, 18 Jan 100 12:10:26 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Subject: Re: Comments from a "newbie" Message-Id: <200001181210887.SM00176@tidalwave.net> ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Collin T. Fagan" Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 20:51:46 -0800 (PST) >I am probably the one of the fastest people you will ever meet. I'm >also one of the nicest fellas you will meet (both can be backed up by > other listers......). Yes, and yes. I wanna be just like Collin when I grow up. He's my hero! :) I get such a kick out of folks who talk about getting a better bike because they can't keep up with their pals. I think of Collin on that "pack mule" of his and just giggle. It's not the bike, folks. >(It was sooo nice in VA yesterday.... now I'm back home and it's a >regular blizzard with 6 inches on the ground and still falling hard :( Well, it was in the teens today, so don't feel too bad. I was sick this whole weekend, didn't get to ride at all - darn. The commute in this morning wasn't too bad - I even left the top vent open on the helmet, heh, heh. Horkster -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) Horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi -- From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 18 12:28:01 2000 Return-Path: horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mail.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA15741 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 12:28:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71] by tidalwave.net (SMTPD32-5.05) id A29C84B0110; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 12:27:56 -0500 From: "Horkster" Reply-To: "Horkster" Date: Tue, 18 Jan 100 12:27:57 -0500 To: , "bernescut@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: anyone riding? Message-Id: <200001181227945.SM00176@tidalwave.net> ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Cedric Bernescut >I didn't see anyone else out there today on I66, anyone >else riding? You know, if it gets much colder out, I might have to put the heated liner back in the pants of my Gerbing suit. :) I'll be riding as long as the roads are clear. Dale -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) Horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi -- From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 18 13:32:00 2000 Return-Path: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com (imo11.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.1]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA17027 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 13:31:59 -0500 (EST) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.6.) id 2.17.b06ff5 (3979) for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 13:31:21 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <17.b06ff5.25b60b79@aol.com> Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 13:31:21 EST Subject: Re: comments, ducati, stuff To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 45 On the comments from Ryan: Good and band things said there. The comment that you're going to fall on your first sportbike... um, I didn't. After riding on smaller and larger (non-sportbike) bikes for 9 years, I bought a YZF600R in '98. At the time the bike was stolen (which sucked, I liked the bike) it had about 5k miles on it, and not a scratch. The experience of riding and learning on other machines translated just fine and I had no problems with the powerband and handling - your brain knows what to do in an emergency based on experience. Did I make some mistakes on the YZF? Yeah... wheelspin a couple times, one unintentional wheelie, etc... but the 'ol noggin knew what to do and we turned out AOK. Since then, I've moved on to racing and ride a FZR400 superbike in WERA/CCS. I blame this on Colin and McCoy :) You want to talk about powerband? my 70hp FZR has two modes... on and off. Below 10.5k rpm, NOTHING (It makes sputtering noises and about 30hp). Between 10.5k and 11.2k I get a 17hp hit... like a lightswitch, then it's linear up to 70hp at 13.5k. The powerband never gave me a problem as the brain had experience. (This is not to say I didn't crash this year... but it wasn't due to powerband :) ) As for the Ducati 750 monster... valve adjustments really aren't that bad on them anymore. I have a 900ss (the ss models use the same motor) and you only have to have them checked every 6000 miles now (Still more than a jap bike, but not horrible). And in regard to the Ducatis not having HP - correct, but look at the TORQUE!! You want to win stoplight races? Buy a Ducati. You want to get to that low-hp induced top end of ~130mph in a HURRY? Buy a Duc. You want to accidentally find out you can pull a wheelie in gears 1 - 3? You get the picture :) HP is not necessarily the only thing to look at on the spec sheet (Nor is the spec sheet the only thing to look at!). My only regret is NOT buying the 750ss and getting the 900ss instead (I actually didn't know much about ducatis when I got mine, and noone had the 750, ergo in my head it didn't exist). The 900 is indeed a handfull. On top of that.... they're beautiful bikes, and make such sweet sounds :) - Bri From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 18 14:25:47 2000 Return-Path: jnewman@XXXXXX Received: from bmdo.mcri.com (root@XXXXXX [208.36.117.170]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA17941 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 14:25:44 -0500 (EST) From: jnewman@XXXXXX Received: from jnewman ([192.168.13.162]) by bmdo.mcri.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA10277; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 14:30:07 -0500 Message-Id: <200001181930.OAA10277@bmdo.mcri.com> To: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 14:25:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: comments, ducati, stuff Reply-to: jnewman@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Priority: normal In-reply-to: <17.b06ff5.25b60b79@aol.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12b) Just out of curiosity, how much does a valve check or adjustment cost when you get the bike checked up? -John N. <---who has always drooled over a 748 88 FZR 400 BryanRoach wrote: "I have a 900ss (the ss models use the same motor) and you only have to have them checked every 6000 miles now (Still more than a jap bike, but not horrible)." From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Date sent: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 13:31:21 EST Subject: Re: comments, ducati, stuff To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX On the comments from Ryan: Good and band things said there. The comment that you're going to fall on your first sportbike... um, I didn't. After riding on smaller and larger (non-sportbike) bikes for 9 years, I bought a YZF600R in '98. At the time the bike was stolen (which sucked, I liked the bike) it had about 5k miles on it, and not a scratch. The experience of riding and learning on other machines translated just fine and I had no problems with the powerband and handling - your brain knows what to do in an emergency based on experience. Did I make some mistakes on the YZF? Yeah... wheelspin a couple times, one unintentional wheelie, etc... but the 'ol noggin knew what to do and we turned out AOK. Since then, I've moved on to racing and ride a FZR400 superbike in WERA/CCS. I blame this on Colin and McCoy :) You want to talk about powerband? my 70hp FZR has two modes... on and off. Below 10.5k rpm, NOTHING (It makes sputtering noises and about 30hp). Between 10.5k and 11.2k I get a 17hp hit... like a lightswitch, then it's linear up to 70hp at 13.5k. The powerband never gave me a problem as the brain had experience. (This is not to say I didn't crash this year... but it wasn't due to powerband :) ) As for the Ducati 750 monster... valve adjustments really aren't that bad on them anymore. I have a 900ss (the ss models use the same motor) and you only have to have them checked every 6000 miles now (Still more than a jap bike, but not horrible). And in regard to the Ducatis not having HP - correct, but look at the TORQUE!! You want to win stoplight races? Buy a Ducati. You want to get to that low-hp induced top end of ~130mph in a HURRY? Buy a Duc. You want to accidentally find out you can pull a wheelie in gears 1 - 3? You get the picture :) HP is not necessarily the only thing to look at on the spec sheet (Nor is the spec sheet the only thing to look at!). My only regret is NOT buying the 750ss and getting the 900ss instead (I actually didn't know much about ducatis when I got mine, and noone had the 750, ergo in my head it didn't exist). The 900 is indeed a handfull. On top of that.... they're beautiful bikes, and make such sweet sounds :) - Bri From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 18 14:51:24 2000 Return-Path: ljtanner@XXXXXX Received: from www0k.netaddress.usa.net (www0k.netaddress.usa.net [204.68.24.40]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA18473 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 14:51:21 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 8817 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Jan 2000 19:51:06 -0000 Message-ID: <20000118195106.8816.qmail@www0k.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.40 by www0k for [162.70.131.75] via web-mailer(M3.3.1.96) on Tue Jan 18 19:51:06 GMT 2000 Date: 18 Jan 00 14:51:06 EST From: LindaT To: dc Subject: Snowing??? X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.3.1.96) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To anyone who rode who doesn't have an outside window... It's snowing like crazy out here in Fairfax and it's sticking. glad I didn't ride. LindaT. 99 R1100RT name tbd 95 F3 Purple Haze (66K miles and counting) 00 KLR250 Tenzing (0 miles and not counting) http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webm= ail.netscape.com. From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 18 15:11:54 2000 Return-Path: horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mail.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA18775 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 15:11:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71] by tidalwave.net (SMTPD32-5.05) id A900C9E013E; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 15:11:44 -0500 From: "Horkster" Reply-To: "Horkster" Date: Tue, 18 Jan 100 15:11:45 -0500 To: , Subject: Re: Snowing??? Message-Id: <20000118151108.SM00176@tidalwave.net> ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: LindaT Date: 18 Jan 00 14:51:06 EST >It's snowing like crazy out here in Fairfax and it's sticking. > >glad I didn't ride. > >LindaT. >99 R1100RT name tbd What, you bought a new Beemer and didn't get the TCS/ABS/Snowplow option? :) Congrats on the new bike! Dale -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) Horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi -- From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 18 15:20:05 2000 Return-Path: horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mail.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA19034 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 15:20:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71] by tidalwave.net (SMTPD32-5.05) id AAF2CBB013E; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 15:20:02 -0500 From: "Horkster" Reply-To: "Horkster" Date: Tue, 18 Jan 100 15:20:02 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: Comments from a "newbie" (more) Message-Id: <200001181520820.SM00176@tidalwave.net> ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Collin T. Fagan" Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 21:01:23 -0800 (PST) >Nothing more annoying than one time I was railing up the mountain along >211 and I came upon three goofs (2 CBR900's and a GSXR750), and I had >to slow down almost 20 miles per hour cause thes idiots were using all >of both lanes to take the corners Isn't it more of a challenge doing 211 and the like while staying in just one of the lanes (pick one, either one, and just stay in that lane?) anyway? I've followed folks (briefly, before they left me wayyyyyy behind) who used both lanes, and I thought it to be a tad unnecessary. I'm not (and probably never will be) a fast rider, but I can have plenty of fun while trying to keep it between the lines on roads like this. Dale From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 18 15:23:28 2000 Return-Path: dthompso1@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.156]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA19056 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 15:23:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from administrator (client-209-158-138-15.libertyhs.com [209.158.138.15]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA14400; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 15:23:14 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <00a001bf61f1$b4714d00$5207a8c0@administrator> From: "Danny Thompson" To: , , Subject: New realm Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 15:22:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 I have ventured into the realm of scraping pegs and have some questions. I had not gotten enough lean angle to scrape my pegs before, but I am now. How do I adjust my riding to keep the pegs from taking weight and therefore traction off of the tires. I am usually weighting the inside peg and now I am afraid it will lever the tires of the pavement. Any suggestions or advice would be appreciated. By the way this was on my VFR on some local tight twisties that I know very well. TIA, Danny '99 VFR '99 SV From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 18 15:41:00 2000 Return-Path: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (imo18.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.8]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA19338 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 15:40:59 -0500 (EST) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.6.) id n.a.5e21af (3979); Tue, 18 Jan 2000 15:40:18 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 15:40:17 EST Subject: Re: New realm To: dthompso1@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 45 In a message dated 1/18/00 3:29:03 PM Eastern Standard Time, dthompso1@XXXXXX writes: > I have ventured into the realm of scraping pegs and have some questions. I > had not gotten enough lean angle to scrape my pegs before, but I am now. How > do I adjust my riding to keep the pegs from taking weight and therefore > traction off of the tires. I am usually weighting the inside peg and now I > am afraid it will lever the tires of the pavement. Any suggestions or advice > would be appreciated. Get off the bike. :) By moving your body over to the side and lower on the bike, you change the center of gravity and reduce the amount of lean angle needed. Once you're scraping pegs, you're out of ground clearance and the next thing that is gonna happen is the rear coming off the ground. The key here is both lower & to the side, not just to the side... to give you an idea, on the racetrack my current goal is to get my outside elbow as close to the top of the tank as possible... I actually don't drag my knees as much anymore, but I'm going faster. (I do use my knee as a curb feeler of sorts, but pull it in most of the time). I still have a lot of work to do, but I'm improving. Ya *might* want to get yourself a set of kneepads at this point... although I don't know if I condone dragging a knee on a public street or not... :) Option B is to buy a set of rearsets (if you haven't already done do). - Bri From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 18 15:43:47 2000 Return-Path: CWeaver@XXXXXX Received: from exchange.apscare.com ([38.201.180.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA19419 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 15:43:46 -0500 (EST) Received: by EXCHANGE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 15:44:16 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Weaver, Chris" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Comments from a "newbie" (more) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 15:44:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain I agree. Besides, it's much more fun to show the cars how much lean you can get as you pass them. ;^) Chris Weaver 98 VTR 1000 > -----Original Message----- > From: Horkster [SMTP:horkster@XXXXXX] > Sent: None > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Collin T. Fagan > Subject: Re: Comments from a "newbie" (more) > > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: "Collin T. Fagan" > Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 21:01:23 -0800 (PST) > > >Nothing more annoying than one time I was railing up the mountain along > >211 and I came upon three goofs (2 CBR900's and a GSXR750), and I had > >to slow down almost 20 miles per hour cause thes idiots were using all > >of both lanes to take the corners > > Isn't it more of a challenge doing 211 and the like while staying > in just one of the lanes (pick one, either one, and just stay in > that lane?) anyway? > > I've followed folks (briefly, before they left me wayyyyyy behind) > who used both lanes, and I thought it to be a tad unnecessary. > > I'm not (and probably never will be) a fast rider, but I can have > plenty of fun while trying to keep it between the lines on roads like > this. > > Dale > > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 18 15:51:30 2000 Return-Path: CWeaver@XXXXXX Received: from exchange.apscare.com ([38.201.180.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA19593 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 15:51:29 -0500 (EST) Received: by EXCHANGE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 15:52:01 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Weaver, Chris" To: "'Danny Thompson'" , vfr@XXXXXX, sv650@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: New realm Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 15:51:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain Danny, I recall reading somewhere that it's desirable to weight the outside peg during a turn. I don't think the reasoning was to keep the inside peg from levering you off the road, but rather to help control the angle and handling of the bike. It's my assumption that it would also make the bike more stable as you hang off to the inside. Any lessening of the lever effect would be a side benefit of weighting the outside peg too. Keep in mind that this is mostly hearsay and second-hand info, since I haven't really managed to scrape the peg feelers on the VTR yet. I also don't have enough calmness or body-awareness yet to think about my feet during hard leans. Chris > -----Original Message----- > From: Danny Thompson [SMTP:dthompso1@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2000 3:22 PM > To: vfr@XXXXXX; sv650@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: New realm > > I have ventured into the realm of scraping pegs and have some questions. I > had not gotten enough lean angle to scrape my pegs before, but I am now. > How > do I adjust my riding to keep the pegs from taking weight and therefore > traction off of the tires. I am usually weighting the inside peg and now I > am afraid it will lever the tires of the pavement. Any suggestions or > advice > would be appreciated. > > By the way this was on my VFR on some local tight twisties that I know > very > well. > > TIA, > Danny > '99 VFR > '99 SV From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 18 15:53:07 2000 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA19615 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 15:53:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from members.fcac.org (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA19042 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 15:53:00 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 15:53:00 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: New realm In-Reply-To: <00a001bf61f1$b4714d00$5207a8c0@administrator> Message-ID: Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 18 Jan 2000, Danny Thompson wrote: > How do I adjust my riding to keep the pegs from taking weight and > therefore traction off of the tires. There are lots of things you could do: improve your choice of lines, get more of your body weight to the inside, relocate your pegs, raise the rear of your bike, ride slower, etc. It sounds like you're doing things to improve the situation already though. That is, taking a track school and then racing. With the fear of sounding like a hypocrite I suggest that it's best not to get too much of the taste of speed and maximal cornering on the street. I would bet that racing will help you to ride slower on the road... As you know, I've taken to the dirt to get my kicks riding hard. Street riding at 8-9/10ths has seemed pretty tame and boring since then... I've been trying to get my riding buddies out in the dirt with limited success (not to mention that Danny sold his dirt bike after riding with me... Punk!). More than once this past sunday I dragged the pegs on the KLX while ripping around a berm (and that with the pegs 4-6" higher off the ground than a street bike would have). :) Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://dirtrider.net/planetklx/) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 18 15:56:00 2000 Return-Path: CWeaver@XXXXXX Received: from exchange.apscare.com ([38.201.180.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA19633 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 15:55:59 -0500 (EST) Received: by EXCHANGE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 15:56:31 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Weaver, Chris" To: "'BryanRoach@XXXXXX'" , dthompso1@XXXXXX Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: New realm Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 15:55:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain Danny, I have a set of strap-on knee sliders (sounds dirty don't it?) you can borrow some time if you want to try it... Chris > -----Original Message----- > From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX [SMTP:BryanRoach@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2000 3:40 PM > To: dthompso1@XXXXXX > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: New realm > > Ya *might* want to get yourself a set of kneepads at this point... > although I > don't know if I condone dragging a knee on a public street or not... :) From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 18 16:14:40 2000 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from PMESMTP01.wcom.com (pmesmtp01.wcom.com [199.249.20.1]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA20038 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 16:14:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com ([166.37.172.49]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42256) with ESMTP id <0FOJ00HKLTQ3CZ@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 20:46:51 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzmta01.mcit.com (omzmta01.mcit.com [166.37.194.119]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id UAA08198; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 20:45:06 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.44.139.21]) by omzmta01.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <20000118204648.UMIT8286@toddnt>; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 20:46:48 +0000 Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 15:43:53 -0500 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: Snowing??? In-reply-to: <20000118195106.8816.qmail@www0k.netaddress.usa.net> To: LindaT , dc Message-id: <000001bf61f4$bbc752e0$158b2ca6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Yep, hailing from the home habit now. Find that a slower pace, concentrating on rear braking when necessary and staying as upright as possible makes for safe passage. Keep away from the BDC's too. Sort of difficult with the "me strong, invincible" SUV crowd. Someone tell these morons that 4 wheels slide just fine, four-wheel drive or not. Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: LindaT [mailto:ljtanner@XXXXXX] > > To anyone who rode who doesn't have an outside window... > > It's snowing like crazy out here in Fairfax and it's sticking. > > glad I didn't ride. From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 18 16:23:59 2000 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from PMESMTP02.wcom.com (pmesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.20.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA20204 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 16:23:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com ([166.37.172.6]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #41713) with ESMTP id <0FOJ001DDTV0F6@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 20:49:48 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzmta01.mcit.com (omzmta01.mcit.com [166.37.194.119]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id UAA05669; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 20:44:41 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.44.139.21]) by omzmta01.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <20000118204947.UNGQ8286@toddnt>; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 20:49:47 +0000 Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 15:46:52 -0500 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: Comments from a "newbie" (more) In-reply-to: <200001181520820.SM00176@tidalwave.net> To: Horkster , dc-cycles@XXXXXX, "Collin T. Fagan" Message-id: <000101bf61f5$263fa410$158b2ca6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal > -----Original Message----- > From: Horkster [mailto:horkster@XXXXXX] > Isn't it more of a challenge doing 211 and the like while staying > in just one of the lanes (pick one, either one, and just stay in > that lane?) anyway? > Dale Agree with you Dale. The challenge to stay in your chosen lane, while hauling tail through the likes of 211 is definitely more satisfying than being all over the road. I've ridden behind people who insist on all of the road. I find it very annoying. It says something to me, like, "look at me, I have no control over my line". The worst is when it is just two lanes =8-0 Was down at CPS in Woodbridge this past weekend and they had a video of what looked like some UK sportbike comparo. These guys were all over the road, but that was probably the least of their worries. Cruising at close to 150mph on two lane roads, barely missing oncoming traffic on double yellow lane passes, and multiple for the camara rolling wheelies at close to and over 65mph. It started with four bikes, and by the time I got there it was down to an R1, CBRXX and a Hayabusa. Lunatic, yeah! Wonder how many actually finished the vid? Todd From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 18 16:23:55 2000 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from PMESMTP02.wcom.com (pmesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.20.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA20202 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 16:23:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com ([166.37.172.6]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #41713) with ESMTP id <0FOJ001NNU8QBW@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 20:58:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzmta01.mcit.com (omzmta01.mcit.com [166.37.194.119]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id UAA12702; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 20:52:55 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.44.139.21]) by omzmta01.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <20000118205800.UPXT8286@toddnt>; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 20:58:00 +0000 Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 15:55:05 -0500 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: comments, ducati, stuff In-reply-to: <200001181930.OAA10277@bmdo.mcri.com> To: jnewman@XXXXXX, BryanRoach@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <000201bf61f6$4bda9ad0$158b2ca6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal More importantly to us home-mechanics; any special tools, procedures? 6000 miles sounds like about every 2-3 months. Bummer! I understand the desmodromic valve actuation, but if what should be a simple measure and adjust procedure turns into what basically amounts to a mechanical juggling act, forget it. I'll stick to the less expensive UJMs and sports bikes. Shim-under-bucket? About an hour (assuming you have all replacement shims). T > -----Original Message----- > From: jnewman@XXXXXX [mailto:jnewman@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2000 2:25 PM > To: BryanRoach@XXXXXX > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: comments, ducati, stuff > > > Just out of curiosity, how much does a valve check or adjustment > cost when you get the bike checked up? > > -John N. <---who has always drooled over a 748 > 88 FZR 400 > > > BryanRoach wrote: > > "I have a 900ss (the ss models use the same motor) and you only > have to have them checked every 6000 miles now (Still more than a > jap bike, > but not horrible)." > > > > From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX > Date sent: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 13:31:21 EST > Subject: Re: comments, ducati, stuff > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > > On the comments from Ryan: > > Good and band things said there. The comment that you're going to fall on > your first sportbike... um, I didn't. After riding on smaller and larger > (non-sportbike) bikes for 9 years, I bought a YZF600R in '98. At > the time the > bike was stolen (which sucked, I liked the bike) it had about 5k > miles on it, > and not a scratch. The experience of riding and learning on other > machines > translated just fine and I had no problems with the powerband and > handling - > your brain knows what to do in an emergency based on experience. > Did I make > some mistakes on the YZF? Yeah... wheelspin a couple times, one > unintentional > wheelie, etc... but the 'ol noggin knew what to do and we turned > out AOK. > Since then, I've moved on to racing and ride a FZR400 superbike > in WERA/CCS. > I blame this on Colin and McCoy :) > > You want to talk about powerband? my 70hp FZR has two modes... on > and off. > Below 10.5k rpm, NOTHING (It makes sputtering noises and about > 30hp). Between > 10.5k and 11.2k I get a 17hp hit... like a lightswitch, then it's > linear up > to 70hp at 13.5k. The powerband never gave me a problem as the brain had > experience. (This is not to say I didn't crash this year... but > it wasn't due > to powerband :) ) > > As for the Ducati 750 monster... valve adjustments really aren't > that bad on > them anymore. I have a 900ss (the ss models use the same motor) > and you only > have to have them checked every 6000 miles now (Still more than a > jap bike, > but not horrible). And in regard to the Ducatis not having HP - > correct, but > look at the TORQUE!! You want to win stoplight races? Buy a > Ducati. You want > to get to that low-hp induced top end of ~130mph in a HURRY? Buy > a Duc. You > want to accidentally find out you can pull a wheelie in gears 1 - > 3? You get > the picture :) HP is not necessarily the only thing to look at on > the spec > sheet (Nor is the spec sheet the only thing to look at!). My only > regret is > NOT buying the 750ss and getting the 900ss instead (I actually > didn't know > much about ducatis when I got mine, and noone had the 750, ergo > in my head it > didn't exist). The 900 is indeed a handfull. > > On top of that.... they're beautiful bikes, and make such sweet sounds :) > > - Bri > From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 18 16:34:05 2000 Return-Path: Eternity23@XXXXXX Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (imo28.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.72]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA20432 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 16:34:04 -0500 (EST) From: Eternity23@XXXXXX Received: from Eternity23@XXXXXX by imo28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.6.) id 2.46.942cb6 (4224) for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 16:33:23 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <46.942cb6.25b63622@aol.com> Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 16:33:22 EST Subject: Re: Snowing??? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 44 Right about the time this thread was being introduced, I was attempting to ride home from work. Living about 3 miles away from work, I didn't think it would be too bad at the time I left. The person who was following me home, though, disappeared, and so I turned around to find them. Back where I started from, I attempted to shift my weight at a stop sign. Making sure there was plenty of people around, I skillfully executed a graceful 0 mph low side. Foot slipped. Luckily, the little plastic clutch/crankcase cover designed to break in the even of a spill, did, and nothing else was harmed. Got a ride home from a friend, and a price quote for a new cover from Loudoun Motorsports. Liter class, 100hp+ sport bike, and the first time it goes down it's not even moving. Oh well. It had to happen sometime. -Sean Jordan '93 CBR1000F - Introduced to the ground for the first time today. From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 18 16:34:54 2000 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA20452 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 16:34:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from members.fcac.org (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA20298 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 16:34:48 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 16:34:47 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: dc Subject: RE: Snowing??? In-Reply-To: <000001bf61f4$bbc752e0$158b2ca6@toddnt.mcit.com> Message-ID: Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 18 Jan 2000, Todd Peer wrote: > Keep away from the BDC's too. Sort of difficult with the "me strong, > invincible" SUV crowd. Someone tell these morons that 4 wheels slide > just fine, four-wheel drive or not. It's kind of fun to pass the 4WDs that have gotten themselves stuck in a ditch or whatever while you're riding your bike. No chance for that today as I do the first workday of each week from home. What a sucky commute! :) Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://dirtrider.net/planetklx/) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 18 16:50:52 2000 Return-Path: jzell@XXXXXX Received: from intertv.com (intertv.com [38.213.57.16]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA20851 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 16:50:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from venice (venice [38.213.57.235]) by intertv.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA20349 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 16:50:45 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <4.1.20000118165353.009f00d0@intertv.com> X-Sender: jzell@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 16:56:46 +0000 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Jeannette Zell Subject: 12 Puppies!!! (non-moto) In-Reply-To: References: <000001bf61f4$bbc752e0$158b2ca6@toddnt.mcit.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Our dog Hera had 12 puppies this morning. Of course, as Murphy's Law would have it, she had them from around 4AM-7:15AM the first day of my new job! LOL The puppies are all healthy and gorgeous. We thought originally she was only having 8, then two more popped out. I went to work on no sleep and Tom went to sleep - lucky guy - and 2 more appeared while he was sleeping! YIKES! LOL Anyone interested in a pup, e-mail me off-list. : ) Moto - I am SO GLAD I didn't ride in today! Good luck to those who did and be careful! - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 18 16:56:07 2000 Return-Path: kwoods@XXXXXX Received: from kens.com (kens.com [129.250.30.40]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA20884 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 16:56:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from kens.com (kens.com [129.250.30.40]) by kens.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-mod-for-majordomo) with ESMTP id QAA27444; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 16:55:57 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 16:55:57 -0500 (EST) From: Ken Woods To: Kirk Roy cc: dc Subject: RE: Snowing??? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 18 Jan 2000, Kirk Roy wrote: > It's kind of fun to pass the 4WDs that have gotten themselves stuck in > a ditch or whatever while you're riding your bike. http://www.kens.com/truckpics/gwnf/KW3.jpg -- Ken Woods kwoods@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 18 18:17:54 2000 Return-Path: dthompso1@XXXXXX Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA22577 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 18:17:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from 207-172-106-120.s120.tnt2.war.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.106.120] helo=oemcomputer) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12AhrG-0005jE-00; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 18:16:19 -0500 Message-ID: <00d501bf6209$efa292e0$786aaccf@oemcomputer> From: "Danny Thompson" To: , , References: Subject: Re: Re: New realm Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 18:15:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 After re-reading my post and some replies, I realized that the whole comment about dragging pegs (esp. on the VFR?) might have sounded like I was bragging or boasting, but I would like to make sure everyone knows that it is not something I have ever done, nor do I like it on the streets. I was actually concerned with safety and wanted to learn how I could be safer. I would also like to point out that the place where I was riding was a local place where there are some really great curves and I have been there many times and know the road well. I had been up and down 2 times at a fairly calm pace to check out the surface and refresh my memory about the corners. I would say that at the most I was at 8/10ths here and there and mostly 7/10ths. Thanks to everyones input, recommendations and safety concerns, It looks like I will be needing to learn how to hang off my bike when I am at the track. Danny '99 VFR '99 SV Warrenton, VA From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 18 20:49:26 2000 Return-Path: dmlutton@XXXXXX Received: from dragon.vcu.edu (dragon.vcu.edu [128.172.65.9]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA25170 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 20:49:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from hsc.vcu.edu (207-172-54-54.s54.tnt16.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.54.54]) by dragon.vcu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA3228028 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 20:50:45 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <388517FC.73CA355A@hsc.vcu.edu> Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 20:48:47 -0500 From: "David M. Lutton" Organization: George Washington University X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-NECCK (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: comments, ducati, stuff References: <200001190000.TAA23316@meretrix.com> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------E0CBFB6877790BADACDC2B04" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------E0CBFB6877790BADACDC2B04 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit All- I have been riding for about 6 months now, and have been performing routine maintenance on my YZF all the while, and last night, I noticed a small oil leak. I have yet to get my ass in gear to pull off the cowlings, but any suggestions as to where to check for leakage? The filter is snug; and the drain plug is at 29ft-lbs of torque, according to specs. The only modifications I have done in the last week and a half is a new front and rear sprocket and chain. Thanx for your advice in advance. Dave '98 YZF600R (4900 miles) RED/BLACK/WHITE PS. To all of you that ride in I66E every morning -- see you on the ride in when the snow lifts : ) The dc-cycles list administrator wrote: > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > __ /-----\ __ 'dc-cycles' is an unmoderated email discussion list > (__\/ _____ \/__) about motorcycling in the Washington D.C. area. > =( \___/ )= > \ ___ / An archive of the dc-cycles list is available at: > | / _ \ | http://www.dc-cycles.org/ > \ || || / > \|| ||/ Subscribe/unsubscribe requests should be sent to: > \| |/ dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX > |_| > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 17:12:48 -0800 (PST) > From: "Louis F. Caplan" > Subject: Looking for range aids > To: DC-Cycles > > In March the MSF Motorcycle courses will begin again at the Alexandria and > Loudoun campuses of the Northern Virginia Community College. Both campuses > currently have a shortage of range aids. Range aids are the people who help us > keep things moving by setting up and clearing off the cones between exercises, > filling the bikes with gas after the course, and possibly some other things > depending on the course needs. > > These aren't just volunteers, during a full class (24 students) the pay is $156 > for the weekend (Saturday & Sunday), and during a half class (12 students), it > is $78. (Half classes are typically in July and August) > > At the Loudoun campus, range aids are also paid $40 for an ERC (Sunday > afternoon, held infrequently, would probably get about a week's notice) > > Courses in Alexandria run through mid-November, courses in Loudoun run until > early December. > > If you are interested in being a range aid, the people to contact are: > > NVCC Alexandria: Louie Kyler, 703-845-6110, lkyler@XXXXXX > > NVCC Loudoun: Claire Wynne (nvwynnc@XXXXXX) or David Hepburn > (dhepburn@XXXXXX) 703-450-2551 > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Reply-To: > From: "RMeyer" > To: > Subject: RE: changing tread-not thread > Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 21:44:25 -0500 > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 > > I've about decided to mortgage one of my children and by a Roadcrafter. But > first, I wonder if anyone has used one and DOESN'T like it? If so, why? > > Thanks, > > In The Wind, > Bob Meyer > 1992 ST1100 (Red STag), STOC #1157 > ============================================= > People are more violently opposed to fur than leather, because it's safer to > pick on rich women than biker gangs. > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Reply-To: > From: "RMeyer" > To: > Subject: Anyone not like Aerostitch Roadcrafter? > Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 22:17:45 -0500 > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 > > OOPS! Forgive me for the prior post with the wrong subject header. I got > lazy and forgot to change the subject. My most humble and abject apologies. > Yeah, right! > > Bob > > > > > > > I've about decided to mortgage one of my children and by a > > Roadcrafter. But > > first, I wonder if anyone has used one and DOESN'T like it? If so, why? > > > > Thanks, > > > > In The Wind, > > Bob Meyer > > 1992 ST1100 (Red STag), STOC #1157 > > ============================================= > > People are more violently opposed to fur than leather, because > > it's safer to > > pick on rich women than biker gangs. > > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 20:51:46 -0800 (PST) > From: "Collin T. Fagan" > Subject: Re: Comments from a "newbie" > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Ryan, > Some interesting comments, and I agree with some of em, but have to > disagree with others... > I holeheartedly agree, that if you ride long enough, you will > eventually go down. I also agree that you should buy the best safety > gear you can possibly afford... If that means buying an 85 V500F P.O.S. > for $500 and spend $1500 ona set of nice leathers and helmet, so be > it...Nothing frightens me more than seeing someone on a shiny new > crotch rocket wearing regular clothes and a helmet, then trying to wick > up the speed.. I REFUSE to ride with that person.... > > However, I don't think one should go looking to find that first time on > the pavement so quickly...I have to disagree with you on buying the > bigger powered bikes (and I lump anyhthing putting out about 95hp on in > this category, i.e.. MOST of the modern 600's and up). It is just too > much for a newbie's brain to figure out... I'll try to explain my > rationale... > > For someone like me that has ridden now for about 19 years, there are a > lot of situations that I react to as second nature. However, these > sorts of things are NOT natural reactions, they are learned with > experience... you WILL make mistakes.. even now with lots of experience > under the belt, I make em too... It's dealing with them that makes the > difference.... > > One of THE BIGGEST MISTAKES that I've seen newbies (and done myself a > long time ago) do in a panic situation is grab a handful of gas...On a > "tame" bike like an FZR600, GS500, EX500, VF500, ninja250, nighthawk > 700, SV650 ...well you get the picture, grabbing a handful of gas will > still be bad, but you just might have time to recover from that > mistake, or, the end results will be relatively minor.....Now picture > the same mistake on a high output bike....the bike reacts instantly to > the throttle input which results in A) RAPID increase in speeds. B) > wheel spin C) unexpected wheelies (especially while leaned over) D) > combinations of all the above. > > I was lucky in that I lived out in the boonies when I was young, and > started out on a 50cc little dirt bike... I moved on to 80 cc, then had > several 100-175 cc bikes, both full dirt, and street legal enduros. My > first "real" street only bike was an 82 KZ650.. a hefty sucker, but > manageable by that point.. I also got into dirt bike racing .. both > 125's and 250's... I have yet to ride anything else as peaky as a two > stroke dirt bike set up to race! > > I've got lots of opinions so take em with a grain of salt. I am > probably the one of the fastest people you will ever meet. I'm also > one of the nicest fellas you will meet (both can be backed up by other > listers......). You don't need a liter bike to be cool, > you don't need a liter bike to be fast. I love taking my old Maxim 650 > (luggage rack and all) out and lead the "fast" group on rides...My ego > likes hearing about how "fast" the pace was when we stop for lunch too > ;-) Besides, it's pretty fun whooping up on big bikes with a beat up > junker...Thanks to Randy Moran though, I have a new little tool for the > street, and unfortunately, after my little ride yesterday, I can tell > it is waaaay to easy to go too fast on the little Bandit 400 I got from > him. No, it won't beat any of the DCSportbike club guys out on a long > straight stretch, but give me a set of twisties... lol > > Ok.. so I've been rambling again.. sorry folks... > I agree with you on the leathers too... I walked away from two 135mph+ > crashes in turn 4 at summit this year with nothing more than a broken > pinky finger (caused by my finger getting in between the clipon and the > ground as it snapped the bar!). If you're buddy walked away from a 5th > gear HIGHSIDE without any injuries, he needs to say a few prayers... I > have never seen a highside without some injuries... (got a nice sore > neck (still) and a light concussion out of my highside in Ohio this > summer). > > I guess if you are still reading, my bottom line is yes, you are > right.. get a bike that you can physically move around with > comfortably, but make sure that that bike doesn't have so much > potential that it will get you in over your head in half a heartbeat. > > Collin > (It was sooo nice in VA yesterday.... now I'm back home and it's a > regular blizzard with 6 inches on the ground and still falling hard :( > .....) > > ===== > Collin T. Fagan > DC-Cycles Racing > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ > Proudly sponsored by: > Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) > Dixie Cycles > Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 21:01:23 -0800 (PST) > From: "Collin T. Fagan" > Subject: Re: Comments from a "newbie" (more) > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Oh yeah... forgot to comment on one thing... > I am all for making a double yellow pass if it is safe, but saying to > ignore the yellow and use the whole road is quite frankly moronic! > Not meaning any personal insults, but that kind of riding leaves you > with zero margin for error.. and on the street, there are just too many > unknowns... > > Nothing more annoying than one time I was railing up the mountain along > 211 and I came upon three goofs (2 CBR900's and a GSXR750), and I had > to slow down almost 20 miles per hour cause thes idiots were using all > of both lanes to take the corners (and they were barely doing it at > that!)... and on the maxim, it's whopping 50hp (being generous here) > made it impossible to thrust past them on the little straights.. :( > Talked to em a bit at the top of the hill.. they weren't bad guys or > anything, just goofs... did a couple of up and overs with them, but I > made them let me in front to start with...(they were all cracking about > how they were going to wave as they wheelied past ;-)) needless to > say, the conversation the next time we stopped at the top was pretty > funny... > > Collin > > ===== > Collin T. Fagan > DC-Cycles Racing > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ > Proudly sponsored by: > Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) > Dixie Cycles > Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 21:08:40 -0800 (PST) > From: "Collin T. Fagan" > Subject: Re: wind and cold > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > I'll second (third) that it sucks!!!! > > while the riding weather was quite sweet yesterday afternoon, riding > from the Leesburgh direction all the way down to Woodbridge last night > around 9PM with fully perforated leathers and my lightweight gloves on > was downright painfull!! > > CT > > ===== > Collin T. Fagan > DC-Cycles Racing > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ > Proudly sponsored by: > Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) > Dixie Cycles > Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 21:18:14 -0800 (PST) > From: "Collin T. Fagan" > Subject: Awards and schedule > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Just wanted to say a big thank you to my DCC friends.... > Saturday night I received the MARRC Heavyweight Amateur Rider of the > Year award at the annual banquet. I'm sure a few of my votes came from > you folks. > Also a BIG thank you to those that came out to the track this season to > watch me and the gang race.... through the good times with the numerous > 1st place trophies, and even the bad times when there were pieces of me > and the bike strewn from one end of the pit area to the other (and some > never found!! lol) > > And of course, an even bigger thanks to my pit mates and anyone else > that took an active role making things happen. > > I'm just starting to get ready for the new season... with the distance, > I will probably only make it to Summit Point a few times, but I am > already looking forward to it (may just have to do that 4 hour > endurance race this season) > > To give folks an idea of what this season looks like.... This season's > results means that I will be putting on the white expert plates. I > plan on primarily running the GLRRA series up this way for points. I'm > also going to try and hit some of the FASTRAX events at Nelson Ledges > in Ohio as well as some of the WERA Mid-America rounds. And of course, > I'd like to hit a round or two at my home track Summit Point whenever > possible. > The ultimate goal this season is to qualify and participate in the AMA > 750 Supersport round at Mid-Ohio this coming july....I am pretty > confident that I can make the grid;however, the big prayer is that I > will actually have the money to do it....we'll see.. > > If anyone has ideas for sponsorship, feel free to let me know... only > costs me a little time and 30 some odd cents to send a letter asking > for help! > > Collin > > ===== > Collin T. Fagan > DC-Cycles Racing > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ > Proudly sponsored by: > Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) > Dixie Cycles > Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Date: 18 Jan 2000 05:30:12 -0000 > From: "Gil Nissley" > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > X-Originating-IP: [140.185.62.14] > Subject: Re: New Buell Beginner Bike > > On Mon, 17 Jan 2000 07:40:27 -0500 Randy and Julie Moran wrote: > >I'm just happy to see an American manufacturer attempting to make a > >standard and sell it for a reasonable price. > > I had similar thoughts about a 'Merican sportbike when I bought my first Buell. Big let down. > > >I don't imagine a single > >cylinder bike could be too bad to work on, and this particular one seems > >to be pretty elemental. > > Things are pretty tightly packed into Buells. They're tiny bikes. And unless their build quality and design has increased several-fold,they're gonna have probs. Only machines I've ever seen where I would whole-heartedly recommend buying an extended warranty. > > >The main point is the price, I think. > > Yes,considering the slashed prices on the rest of the line,Blasts will prolly be cheap. And you'll get what you pay for. > > >It should > >attract quite a few new people to motorcycling. > > And send them away the first time they're stranded at the side of the road. Buells are known for this(mine did me 4 times). > > The BuellBoy Emeritus. > > dynaryder@XXXXXX HSB#38D GATB#1121 <*> > > '98 Dyna Convertible > '80 CB750F > > Sign up for your FREE Email at http://mail.chek.com > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > From: Jason Picton > To: "''dc-cycles@XXXXXX' '" > Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 00:29:45 -0500 > > Unsubscribe > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Date: 18 Jan 2000 05:40:10 -0000 > From: "Gil Nissley" > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > X-Originating-IP: [140.185.62.14] > Subject: RE: Wind > > On Mon, 17 Jan 2000 11:55:11 -0500 Michael Jay wrote: > >>had a big gust of wind that grabbed my bike cover and acted like a perfect > >>sail, Kerplop! > >Yes, the cover was on the bike. > > From my experience of living on military bases(read: wide open parking lots w/no cover) I've found it best in high winds to pull the cover off the bike. Better it get wet than blown over. > Something you might want to look into is that monopod stand. Can't remember who makes it,but I saw it reviewed in _MCN_. It looks kinda like a crutch,and you wedge it on the right side of your bike,opposite the kickstand. Supposably,it'll keep the bike up in fairly stiff(non-hurricane) winds. > > The BuellBoy Emeritus. > > dynaryder@XXXXXX HSB#38D GATB#1121 <*> > > '98 Dyna Convertible > '80 CB750F > > Sign up for your FREE Email at http://mail.chek.com > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > From: Cedric Bernescut > Reply-To: "bernescut@XXXXXX" > To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" > Subject: anyone riding? > Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 07:19:43 -0500 > Organization: NCEA > > Pretty chilly this morning. 17 degrees in my neck of the woods, 2 degrees > with wind chill. I didn't see anyone else out there today on I66, anyone > else riding? > Cedric > 1996 CBR600F3 > AMA 663626 > Annandale, VA > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > From: "Kirt S." > To: , > Subject: Re: anyone riding? > Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 07:46:19 -0500 > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 > > WOO HOO...CBR riders of Annandale unite! I rode... Froze my nuts off, but > that's quite all right. :-) Just another aerostich endorsement. Buy > one.... The only thing cold was my hands and feet and the air I was > breathing... Anyone else riding keep in mind cold tires = slippage, and > black ice is nigh invisible. Be careful. > > Kirt > 1999 CBR600F4 > Annandale, Va > > -----Original Message----- > From: Cedric Bernescut > To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' < > > Date: Tuesday, January 18, 2000 7:31 AM > Subject: anyone riding? > > >Pretty chilly this morning. 17 degrees in my neck of the woods, 2 degrees > >with wind chill. I didn't see anyone else out there today on I66, anyone > >else riding? > >Cedric > >1996 CBR600F3 > >AMA 663626 > >Annandale, VA > > > > > > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > From: "LindaT" > To: "DC-CYCLES" > Subject: RE: anyone riding? > Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 07:53:44 -0500 > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 > > I'm not riding my new RT this morning. Not because of the cold (for those > of us wired), but because of the possible snow (EEK, slip, slide, BOOM). > > Waiting for the next non-snow-forecast day... > > LindaT. > 99 R1100RT name tbd > 95 F3 Purple Haze (66K miles and counting...) > 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing (0 miles and not counting) > http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ > > Cedric Bernescut asked: > > Pretty chilly this morning. 17 degrees in my neck of the woods, 2 degrees > with wind chill. I didn't see anyone else out there today on I66, anyone > else riding? > Cedric > 1996 CBR600F3 > AMA 663626 > Annandale, VA > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > From: Cedric Bernescut > Reply-To: "bernescut@XXXXXX" > To: "'LindaT'" , DC-CYCLES > Subject: RE: anyone riding? > Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 08:05:34 -0500 > Organization: NCEA > > Ha!, its just a flesh wound (gratuitous MP reference) It said this morning > that it would be but a flurry or two, of course ask me this afternoon and I > could very well find myself thoroughly chagrined and castigated. > Cedric > > -----Original Message----- > From: LindaT [SMTP:ljtanner@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2000 7:54 AM > To: DC-CYCLES > Subject: RE: anyone riding? > > I'm not riding my new RT this morning. Not because of the cold (for those > of us wired), but because of the possible snow (EEK, slip, slide, BOOM). > > Waiting for the next non-snow-forecast day... > > LindaT. > 99 R1100RT name tbd > 95 F3 Purple Haze (66K miles and counting...) > 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing (0 miles and not counting) > http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ > > Cedric Bernescut asked: > > Pretty chilly this morning. 17 degrees in my neck of the woods, 2 degrees > with wind chill. I didn't see anyone else out there today on I66, anyone > else riding? > Cedric > 1996 CBR600F3 > AMA 663626 > Annandale, VA > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > From: "Paul A. Wilson" > To: > Subject: Re: anyone riding? > Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 09:19:11 -0500 > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > > I'll second the warning about cold tires. A little squirrelly in a turn > this morning. Also a big "thank you" to the numbskull that spilled diesel > fuel at a stop light on my route. > > I would rather have cold and dry than warm and wet. We'll see what the > evening brings. > > Paul Wilson > Washington DC > 91 CB750 > > ---------- > > From: Kirt S. > > To: bernescut@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Re: anyone riding? > > Date: Tuesday, January 18, 2000 7:46 AM > > > > WOO HOO...CBR riders of Annandale unite! I rode... Froze my nuts off, > but > > that's quite all right. :-) Just another aerostich endorsement. Buy > > one.... The only thing cold was my hands and feet and the air I was > > breathing... Anyone else riding keep in mind cold tires = slippage, and > > black ice is nigh invisible. Be careful. > > > > Kirt > > 1999 CBR600F4 > > Annandale, Va > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > From: "Love, Cathy, Ms, SAM-OPNR" > To: "''dc-cycles@XXXXXX' '" > Subject: Unsubscribe > Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 08:50:08 -0500 > > Unsubscribe. > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 09:50:30 -0500 > From: Todd Peer > Subject: RE: wind and cold > To: "Collin T. Fagan" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX > X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 > X-MSMail-priority: Normal > > That's insanity! I drove home from Arlington around that time last night > and was cold :| > > Rode in this morning with rain pants on and the Darien w/liner. Had a > balaclava on and those thick, ski-like gloves. Pant's tucked into boots. I > could still feel the cold but it wasn't right on me. > > You sir, are crazy! > > T > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Collin T. Fagan [mailto:gixer_racer@XXXXXX] > > > > I'll second (third) that it sucks!!!! > > > > while the riding weather was quite sweet yesterday afternoon, riding > > from the Leesburgh direction all the way down to Woodbridge last night > > around 9PM with fully perforated leathers and my lightweight gloves on > > was downright painfull!! > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 09:50:31 -0500 > From: Todd Peer > Subject: RE: anyone riding? > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 > X-MSMail-priority: Normal > > It's funny what a difference in temperature, a difference in rider numbers > make. I was out Saturday for about 45 minutes riding the Burke, Lorton area > roads and there was nary another rider. Out on Sunday and I counted 4 > groups of three and many single and two up riders buzzing the same roads. > > This morning, all by myself again. 20 degrees in West Springfield this > morning. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Cedric Bernescut [mailto:bernescut@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2000 7:20 AM > > To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > > Subject: anyone riding? > > > > > > Pretty chilly this morning. 17 degrees in my neck of the woods, > > 2 degrees > > with wind chill. I didn't see anyone else out there today on I66, anyone > > else riding? > > Cedric > > 1996 CBR600F3 > > AMA 663626 > > Annandale, VA > > > > > > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX > Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 10:06:12 -0500 > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > From: Troutman > Subject: Re: Unsubscribe > > At 08:50 AM 1/18/00 100 people wrote to the list: > >Unsubscribe. > > Christ - they go in droves! Why is it so hard to go to the website and > read unsub procedures? > > http://www.dc-cycles.org/ > > Email the human at > dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > > '97 Honda VFR 750 > Eat right. Stay fit. Die anyway. > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 10:02:10 -0500 > From: Todd Peer > Subject: RE: anyone riding? > To: LindaT , DC-CYCLES > X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 > X-MSMail-priority: Normal > > Snow!!! =8-0 > > I didn't see that report this morning. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: LindaT [mailto:ljtanner@XXXXXX] > > > > I'm not riding my new RT this morning. Not because of the cold (for those > > of us wired), but because of the possible snow (EEK, slip, slide, BOOM). > > > > Waiting for the next non-snow-forecast day... > > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > X-Originating-IP: [204.193.255.42] > From: "Doug Allis" > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: anyone riding? > Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 07:31:27 PST > > I rode my PC into work this am. Cold doesn't botheer me much, but IF it > snows this afternoon I will be riding Metro and the bus back to Springfield > tonight. > > My wife and I were also out Sunday, sweating at 3:00pm then reaching for the > jacket liners at 6:00pm. Someone said the good weather brings out riders. I > agree, my wife who's a warm weather rider, went out of her way to get the > baby siter to come a couple of hours early so we could "take the bike" for a > spin in the sun before an evening out. > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX > Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 10:51:14 -0500 > Subject: Re: anyone riding? > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Content-disposition: inline > X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMERICAS-US@INTL > > If Murphy has his way, it will be cold AND wet. > > --chris > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > cc: > From: "Paul A. Wilson" > Date: 01/18/2000 02:19:11 PM GMT > Subject: Re: anyone riding? > > I'll second the warning about cold tires. A little squirrelly in a turn > this morning. Also a big "thank you" to the numbskull that spilled diesel > fuel at a stop light on my route. > > I would rather have cold and dry than warm and wet. We'll see what the > evening brings. > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which > it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any > review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action > in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the > intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please > contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 10:55:15 -0500 > From: Gary Foreman > Subject: RE: Unsubscribe > To: DC-Cycles Mailing List > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 > > Rebel without a clue :-) > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Love, Cathy, Ms, SAM-OPNR [mailto:Cathy.Love@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2000 8:50 AM > > To: ''dc-cycles@XXXXXX' ' > > Subject: Unsubscribe > > > > > > Unsubscribe. > > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 08:02:11 -0800 (PST) > From: Leon Begeman > Subject: Re: anyone riding? > To: "bernescut@XXXXXX" , > "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" > > Two other bikes passed me in this AM on I95/395. > > Leon. > > --- Cedric Bernescut wrote: > > Pretty chilly this morning. 17 degrees in my neck > > of the woods, 2 degrees > > with wind chill. I didn't see anyone else out there > > today on I66, anyone > > else riding? > > Cedric > > 1996 CBR600F3 > > AMA 663626 > > Annandale, VA > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 08:05:03 -0800 (PST) > From: Leon Begeman > Subject: Re: anyone riding? > To: "Paul A. Wilson" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > --- "Paul A. Wilson" wrote: > > I would rather have cold and dry than warm and wet. > > Agree, but cold and wet really sucks. It's almost bad > enough to wish the temp would drop a few more degrees > because ice won't soak through. > > Leon. > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > X-Originating-IP: [199.217.89.183] > From: "Razz Man" > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: anyone riding? > Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 11:26:02 EST > > Cold is no biggie....my rule is "if it ain't rainin or snowin', I'm on 2 > wheels." > > >Pretty chilly this morning. 17 degrees in my neck of the woods, 2 degrees > >with wind chill. I didn't see anyone else out there today on I66, anyone > >else riding? > >Cedric > >1996 CBR600F3 > >AMA 663626 > >Annandale, VA > > > > > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > From: "Horkster" > Reply-To: "Horkster" > Date: Tue, 18 Jan 100 12:10:26 -0500 > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, > Subject: Re: Comments from a "newbie" > > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: "Collin T. Fagan" > Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 20:51:46 -0800 (PST) > > >I am probably the one of the fastest people you will ever meet. I'm > >also one of the nicest fellas you will meet (both can be backed up by > > other listers......). > > Yes, and yes. I wanna be just like Collin when I grow up. He's > my hero! :) > > I get such a kick out of folks who talk about getting a better bike > because they can't keep up with their pals. I think of Collin > on that "pack mule" of his and just giggle. It's not the bike, folks. > > >(It was sooo nice in VA yesterday.... now I'm back home and it's a > >regular blizzard with 6 inches on the ground and still falling hard :( > > Well, it was in the teens today, so don't feel too bad. I was sick this > whole weekend, didn't get to ride at all - darn. The commute in this > morning wasn't too bad - I even left the top vent open on the helmet, > heh, heh. > > Horkster > -- > Dale Horstman (The Horkster) > Horkster@XXXXXX > Dale City, VA, USA, Earth > > 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer > 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi > -- > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > From: "Horkster" > Reply-To: "Horkster" > Date: Tue, 18 Jan 100 12:27:57 -0500 > To: , "bernescut@XXXXXX" > Subject: Re: anyone riding? > > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: Cedric Bernescut > > >I didn't see anyone else out there today on I66, anyone > >else riding? > > You know, if it gets much colder out, I might have to put > the heated liner back in the pants of my Gerbing suit. :) > > I'll be riding as long as the roads are clear. > > Dale > -- > Dale Horstman (The Horkster) > Horkster@XXXXXX > Dale City, VA, USA, Earth > > 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer > 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi > -- > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX > Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 13:31:21 EST > Subject: Re: comments, ducati, stuff > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > On the comments from Ryan: > > Good and band things said there. The comment that you're going to fall on > your first sportbike... um, I didn't. After riding on smaller and larger > (non-sportbike) bikes for 9 years, I bought a YZF600R in '98. At the time the > bike was stolen (which sucked, I liked the bike) it had about 5k miles on it, > and not a scratch. The experience of riding and learning on other machines > translated just fine and I had no problems with the powerband and handling - > your brain knows what to do in an emergency based on experience. Did I make > some mistakes on the YZF? Yeah... wheelspin a couple times, one unintentional > wheelie, etc... but the 'ol noggin knew what to do and we turned out AOK. > Since then, I've moved on to racing and ride a FZR400 superbike in WERA/CCS. > I blame this on Colin and McCoy :) > > You want to talk about powerband? my 70hp FZR has two modes... on and off. > Below 10.5k rpm, NOTHING (It makes sputtering noises and about 30hp). Between > 10.5k and 11.2k I get a 17hp hit... like a lightswitch, then it's linear up > to 70hp at 13.5k. The powerband never gave me a problem as the brain had > experience. (This is not to say I didn't crash this year... but it wasn't due > to powerband :) ) > > As for the Ducati 750 monster... valve adjustments really aren't that bad on > them anymore. I have a 900ss (the ss models use the same motor) and you only > have to have them checked every 6000 miles now (Still more than a jap bike, > but not horrible). And in regard to the Ducatis not having HP - correct, but > look at the TORQUE!! You want to win stoplight races? Buy a Ducati. You want > to get to that low-hp induced top end of ~130mph in a HURRY? Buy a Duc. You > want to accidentally find out you can pull a wheelie in gears 1 - 3? You get > the picture :) HP is not necessarily the only thing to look at on the spec > sheet (Nor is the spec sheet the only thing to look at!). My only regret is > NOT buying the 750ss and getting the 900ss instead (I actually didn't know > much about ducatis when I got mine, and noone had the 750, ergo in my head it > didn't exist). The 900 is indeed a handfull. > > On top of that.... they're beautiful bikes, and make such sweet sounds :) > > - Bri > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > From: jnewman@XXXXXX > To: BryanRoach@XXXXXX > Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 14:25:26 -0500 > Subject: Re: comments, ducati, stuff > Reply-to: jnewman@XXXXXX > CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Just out of curiosity, how much does a valve check or adjustment > cost when you get the bike checked up? > > -John N. <---who has always drooled over a 748 > 88 FZR 400 > > BryanRoach wrote: > > "I have a 900ss (the ss models use the same motor) and you only > have to have them checked every 6000 miles now (Still more than a > jap bike, > but not horrible)." > > From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX > Date sent: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 13:31:21 EST > Subject: Re: comments, ducati, stuff > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > On the comments from Ryan: > > Good and band things said there. The comment that you're going to fall on > your first sportbike... um, I didn't. After riding on smaller and larger > (non-sportbike) bikes for 9 years, I bought a YZF600R in '98. At the time the > bike was stolen (which sucked, I liked the bike) it had about 5k miles on it, > and not a scratch. The experience of riding and learning on other machines > translated just fine and I had no problems with the powerband and handling - > your brain knows what to do in an emergency based on experience. Did I make > some mistakes on the YZF? Yeah... wheelspin a couple times, one unintentional > wheelie, etc... but the 'ol noggin knew what to do and we turned out AOK. > Since then, I've moved on to racing and ride a FZR400 superbike in WERA/CCS. > I blame this on Colin and McCoy :) > > You want to talk about powerband? my 70hp FZR has two modes... on and off. > Below 10.5k rpm, NOTHING (It makes sputtering noises and about 30hp). Between > 10.5k and 11.2k I get a 17hp hit... like a lightswitch, then it's linear up > to 70hp at 13.5k. The powerband never gave me a problem as the brain had > experience. (This is not to say I didn't crash this year... but it wasn't due > to powerband :) ) > > As for the Ducati 750 monster... valve adjustments really aren't that bad on > them anymore. I have a 900ss (the ss models use the same motor) and you only > have to have them checked every 6000 miles now (Still more than a jap bike, > but not horrible). And in regard to the Ducatis not having HP - correct, but > look at the TORQUE!! You want to win stoplight races? Buy a Ducati. You want > to get to that low-hp induced top end of ~130mph in a HURRY? Buy a Duc. You > want to accidentally find out you can pull a wheelie in gears 1 - 3? You get > the picture :) HP is not necessarily the only thing to look at on the spec > sheet (Nor is the spec sheet the only thing to look at!). My only regret is > NOT buying the 750ss and getting the 900ss instead (I actually didn't know > much about ducatis when I got mine, and noone had the 750, ergo in my head it > didn't exist). The 900 is indeed a handfull. > > On top of that.... they're beautiful bikes, and make such sweet sounds :) > > - Bri > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Date: 18 Jan 00 14:51:06 EST > From: LindaT > To: dc > Subject: Snowing??? > > To anyone who rode who doesn't have an outside window... > > It's snowing like crazy out here in Fairfax and it's sticking. > > glad I didn't ride. > > LindaT. > 99 R1100RT name tbd > 95 F3 Purple Haze (66K miles and counting) > 00 KLR250 Tenzing (0 miles and not counting) > http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ > > ____________________________________________________________________ > Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webm= > ail.netscape.com. > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > From: "Horkster" > Reply-To: "Horkster" > Date: Tue, 18 Jan 100 15:11:45 -0500 > To: , > Subject: Re: Snowing??? > > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: LindaT > Date: 18 Jan 00 14:51:06 EST > > >It's snowing like crazy out here in Fairfax and it's sticking. > > > >glad I didn't ride. > > > >LindaT. > >99 R1100RT name tbd > > What, you bought a new Beemer and didn't get the TCS/ABS/Snowplow > option? :) > > Congrats on the new bike! > > Dale > -- > Dale Horstman (The Horkster) > Horkster@XXXXXX > Dale City, VA, USA, Earth > > 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer > 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi > -- > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > From: "Horkster" > Reply-To: "Horkster" > Date: Tue, 18 Jan 100 15:20:02 -0500 > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, "Collin T. Fagan" > Subject: Re: Comments from a "newbie" (more) > > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: "Collin T. Fagan" > Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 21:01:23 -0800 (PST) > > >Nothing more annoying than one time I was railing up the mountain along > >211 and I came upon three goofs (2 CBR900's and a GSXR750), and I had > >to slow down almost 20 miles per hour cause thes idiots were using all > >of both lanes to take the corners > > Isn't it more of a challenge doing 211 and the like while staying > in just one of the lanes (pick one, either one, and just stay in > that lane?) anyway? > > I've followed folks (briefly, before they left me wayyyyyy behind) > who used both lanes, and I thought it to be a tad unnecessary. > > I'm not (and probably never will be) a fast rider, but I can have > plenty of fun while trying to keep it between the lines on roads like > this. > > Dale > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > From: "Danny Thompson" > To: , , > Subject: New realm > Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 15:22:12 -0500 > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 > > I have ventured into the realm of scraping pegs and have some questions. I > had not gotten enough lean angle to scrape my pegs before, but I am now. How > do I adjust my riding to keep the pegs from taking weight and therefore > traction off of the tires. I am usually weighting the inside peg and now I > am afraid it will lever the tires of the pavement. Any suggestions or advice > would be appreciated. > > By the way this was on my VFR on some local tight twisties that I know very > well. > > TIA, > Danny > '99 VFR > '99 SV > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX > Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 15:40:17 EST > Subject: Re: New realm > To: dthompso1@XXXXXX > CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > In a message dated 1/18/00 3:29:03 PM Eastern Standard Time, > dthompso1@XXXXXX writes: > > > I have ventured into the realm of scraping pegs and have some questions. I > > had not gotten enough lean angle to scrape my pegs before, but I am now. > How > > do I adjust my riding to keep the pegs from taking weight and therefore > > traction off of the tires. I am usually weighting the inside peg and now I > > am afraid it will lever the tires of the pavement. Any suggestions or > advice > > would be appreciated. > > Get off the bike. :) > By moving your body over to the side and lower on the bike, you change the > center of gravity and reduce the amount of lean angle needed. Once you're > scraping pegs, you're out of ground clearance and the next thing that is > gonna happen is the rear coming off the ground. The key here is both lower & > to the side, not just to the side... to give you an idea, on the racetrack my > current goal is to get my outside elbow as close to the top of the tank as > possible... I actually don't drag my knees as much anymore, but I'm going > faster. (I do use my knee as a curb feeler of sorts, but pull it in most of > the time). I still have a lot of work to do, but I'm improving. > > Ya *might* want to get yourself a set of kneepads at this point... although I > don't know if I condone dragging a knee on a public street or not... :) > > Option B is to buy a set of rearsets (if you haven't already done do). > > - Bri > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > From: "Weaver, Chris" > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Comments from a "newbie" (more) > Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 15:44:10 -0500 > > I agree. Besides, it's much more fun to show the cars how much lean you can > get as you pass them. ;^) > > Chris Weaver > 98 VTR 1000 > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Horkster [SMTP:horkster@XXXXXX] > > Sent: None > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Collin T. Fagan > > Subject: Re: Comments from a "newbie" (more) > > > > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > > From: "Collin T. Fagan" > > Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 21:01:23 -0800 (PST) > > > > >Nothing more annoying than one time I was railing up the mountain along > > >211 and I came upon three goofs (2 CBR900's and a GSXR750), and I had > > >to slow down almost 20 miles per hour cause thes idiots were using all > > >of both lanes to take the corners > > > > Isn't it more of a challenge doing 211 and the like while staying > > in just one of the lanes (pick one, either one, and just stay in > > that lane?) anyway? > > > > I've followed folks (briefly, before they left me wayyyyyy behind) > > who used both lanes, and I thought it to be a tad unnecessary. > > > > I'm not (and probably never will be) a fast rider, but I can have > > plenty of fun while trying to keep it between the lines on roads like > > this. > > > > Dale > > > > > > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > From: "Weaver, Chris" > To: "'Danny Thompson'" , vfr@XXXXXX, > sv650@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: New realm > Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 15:51:22 -0500 > > Danny, > > I recall reading somewhere that it's desirable to weight the outside peg > during a turn. I don't think the reasoning was to keep the inside peg from > levering you off the road, but rather to help control the angle and handling > of the bike. It's my assumption that it would also make the bike more stable > as you hang off to the inside. Any lessening of the lever effect would be a > side benefit of weighting the outside peg too. > > Keep in mind that this is mostly hearsay and second-hand info, since I > haven't really managed to scrape the peg feelers on the VTR yet. I also > don't have enough calmness or body-awareness yet to think about my feet > during hard leans. > > Chris > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Danny Thompson [SMTP:dthompso1@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2000 3:22 PM > > To: vfr@XXXXXX; sv650@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: New realm > > > > I have ventured into the realm of scraping pegs and have some questions. I > > had not gotten enough lean angle to scrape my pegs before, but I am now. > > How > > do I adjust my riding to keep the pegs from taking weight and therefore > > traction off of the tires. I am usually weighting the inside peg and now I > > am afraid it will lever the tires of the pavement. Any suggestions or > > advice > > would be appreciated. > > > > By the way this was on my VFR on some local tight twisties that I know > > very > > well. > > > > TIA, > > Danny > > '99 VFR > > '99 SV > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 15:53:00 -0500 (EST) > From: Kirk Roy > X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX > To: DC-Cycles Mailing List > Subject: Re: New realm > Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative > > On Tue, 18 Jan 2000, Danny Thompson wrote: > > How do I adjust my riding to keep the pegs from taking weight and > > therefore traction off of the tires. > > There are lots of things you could do: improve your choice of lines, get > more of your body weight to the inside, relocate your pegs, raise the rear > of your bike, ride slower, etc. > > It sounds like you're doing things to improve the situation already > though. That is, taking a track school and then racing. With the fear of > sounding like a hypocrite I suggest that it's best not to get too much of > the taste of speed and maximal cornering on the street. I would bet that > racing will help you to ride slower on the road... > > As you know, I've taken to the dirt to get my kicks riding hard. Street > riding at 8-9/10ths has seemed pretty tame and boring since then... I've > been trying to get my riding buddies out in the dirt with limited success > (not to mention that Danny sold his dirt bike after riding with > me... Punk!). More than once this past sunday I dragged the pegs on the > KLX while ripping around a berm (and that with the pegs 4-6" higher off > the ground than a street bike would have). :) > > Kirk > 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://dirtrider.net/planetklx/) > 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > From: "Weaver, Chris" > To: "'BryanRoach@XXXXXX'" , dthompso1@XXXXXX > Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" > Subject: RE: New realm > Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 15:55:12 -0500 > > Danny, > > I have a set of strap-on knee sliders (sounds dirty don't it?) you can > borrow some time if you want to try it... > > Chris > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX [SMTP:BryanRoach@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2000 3:40 PM > > To: dthompso1@XXXXXX > > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Re: New realm > > > > Ya *might* want to get yourself a set of kneepads at this point... > > although I > > don't know if I condone dragging a knee on a public street or not... :) > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 15:43:53 -0500 > From: Todd Peer > Subject: RE: Snowing??? > To: LindaT , dc > X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 > X-MSMail-priority: Normal > > Yep, hailing from the home habit now. Find that a slower pace, > concentrating on rear braking when necessary and staying as upright as > possible makes for safe passage. Keep away from the BDC's too. Sort of > difficult with the "me strong, invincible" SUV crowd. Someone tell these > morons that 4 wheels slide just fine, four-wheel drive or not. > > Todd > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: LindaT [mailto:ljtanner@XXXXXX] > > > > To anyone who rode who doesn't have an outside window... > > > > It's snowing like crazy out here in Fairfax and it's sticking. > > > > glad I didn't ride. > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 15:46:52 -0500 > From: Todd Peer > Subject: RE: Comments from a "newbie" (more) > To: Horkster , dc-cycles@XXXXXX, > "Collin T. Fagan" > X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 > X-MSMail-priority: Normal > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Horkster [mailto:horkster@XXXXXX] > > Isn't it more of a challenge doing 211 and the like while staying > > in just one of the lanes (pick one, either one, and just stay in > > that lane?) anyway? > > Dale > > Agree with you Dale. The challenge to stay in your chosen lane, while > hauling tail through the likes of 211 is definitely more satisfying than > being all over the road. I've ridden behind people who insist on all of the > road. I find it very annoying. It says something to me, like, "look at me, > I have no control over my line". > > The worst is when it is just two lanes =8-0 > > Was down at CPS in Woodbridge this past weekend and they had a video of what > looked like some UK sportbike comparo. These guys were all over the road, > but that was probably the least of their worries. Cruising at close to > 150mph on two lane roads, barely missing oncoming traffic on double yellow > lane passes, and multiple for the camara rolling wheelies at close to and > over 65mph. It started with four bikes, and by the time I got there it was > down to an R1, CBRXX and a Hayabusa. Lunatic, yeah! Wonder how many > actually finished the vid? > > Todd > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 15:55:05 -0500 > From: Todd Peer > Subject: RE: comments, ducati, stuff > To: jnewman@XXXXXX, BryanRoach@XXXXXX > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 > X-MSMail-priority: Normal > > More importantly to us home-mechanics; any special tools, procedures? 6000 > miles sounds like about every 2-3 months. Bummer! I understand the > desmodromic valve actuation, but if what should be a simple measure and > adjust procedure turns into what basically amounts to a mechanical juggling > act, forget it. I'll stick to the less expensive UJMs and sports bikes. > Shim-under-bucket? About an hour (assuming you have all replacement shims). > > T > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: jnewman@XXXXXX [mailto:jnewman@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2000 2:25 PM > > To: BryanRoach@XXXXXX > > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Re: comments, ducati, stuff > > > > > > Just out of curiosity, how much does a valve check or adjustment > > cost when you get the bike checked up? > > > > -John N. <---who has always drooled over a 748 > > 88 FZR 400 > > > > > > BryanRoach wrote: > > > > "I have a 900ss (the ss models use the same motor) and you only > > have to have them checked every 6000 miles now (Still more than a > > jap bike, > > but not horrible)." > > > > > > > > From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX > > Date sent: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 13:31:21 EST > > Subject: Re: comments, ducati, stuff > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > > > > > On the comments from Ryan: > > > > Good and band things said there. The comment that you're going to fall on > > your first sportbike... um, I didn't. After riding on smaller and larger > > (non-sportbike) bikes for 9 years, I bought a YZF600R in '98. At > > the time the > > bike was stolen (which sucked, I liked the bike) it had about 5k > > miles on it, > > and not a scratch. The experience of riding and learning on other > > machines > > translated just fine and I had no problems with the powerband and > > handling - > > your brain knows what to do in an emergency based on experience. > > Did I make > > some mistakes on the YZF? Yeah... wheelspin a couple times, one > > unintentional > > wheelie, etc... but the 'ol noggin knew what to do and we turned > > out AOK. > > Since then, I've moved on to racing and ride a FZR400 superbike > > in WERA/CCS. > > I blame this on Colin and McCoy :) > > > > You want to talk about powerband? my 70hp FZR has two modes... on > > and off. > > Below 10.5k rpm, NOTHING (It makes sputtering noises and about > > 30hp). Between > > 10.5k and 11.2k I get a 17hp hit... like a lightswitch, then it's > > linear up > > to 70hp at 13.5k. The powerband never gave me a problem as the brain had > > experience. (This is not to say I didn't crash this year... but > > it wasn't due > > to powerband :) ) > > > > As for the Ducati 750 monster... valve adjustments really aren't > > that bad on > > them anymore. I have a 900ss (the ss models use the same motor) > > and you only > > have to have them checked every 6000 miles now (Still more than a > > jap bike, > > but not horrible). And in regard to the Ducatis not having HP - > > correct, but > > look at the TORQUE!! You want to win stoplight races? Buy a > > Ducati. You want > > to get to that low-hp induced top end of ~130mph in a HURRY? Buy > > a Duc. You > > want to accidentally find out you can pull a wheelie in gears 1 - > > 3? You get > > the picture :) HP is not necessarily the only thing to look at on > > the spec > > sheet (Nor is the spec sheet the only thing to look at!). My only > > regret is > > NOT buying the 750ss and getting the 900ss instead (I actually > > didn't know > > much about ducatis when I got mine, and noone had the 750, ergo > > in my head it > > didn't exist). The 900 is indeed a handfull. > > > > On top of that.... they're beautiful bikes, and make such sweet sounds :) > > > > - Bri > > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > From: Eternity23@XXXXXX > Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 16:33:22 EST > Subject: Re: Snowing??? > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Right about the time this thread was being introduced, I was attempting to > ride home from work. Living about 3 miles away from work, I didn't think it > would be too bad at the time I left. The person who was following me home, > though, disappeared, and so I turned around to find them. Back where I > started from, I attempted to shift my weight at a stop sign. Making sure > there was plenty of people around, I skillfully executed a graceful 0 mph low > side. Foot slipped. Luckily, the little plastic clutch/crankcase cover > designed to break in the even of a spill, did, and nothing else was harmed. > Got a ride home from a friend, and a price quote for a new cover from Loudoun > Motorsports. Liter class, 100hp+ sport bike, and the first time it goes down > it's not even moving. Oh well. It had to happen sometime. > > -Sean Jordan > '93 CBR1000F - Introduced to the ground for the first time today. > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 16:34:47 -0500 (EST) > From: Kirk Roy > X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX > To: dc > Subject: RE: Snowing??? > Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative > > On Tue, 18 Jan 2000, Todd Peer wrote: > > Keep away from the BDC's too. Sort of difficult with the "me strong, > > invincible" SUV crowd. Someone tell these morons that 4 wheels slide > > just fine, four-wheel drive or not. > > It's kind of fun to pass the 4WDs that have gotten themselves stuck in a > ditch or whatever while you're riding your bike. No chance for that today > as I do the first workday of each week from home. What a sucky commute! :) > > Kirk > 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://dirtrider.net/planetklx/) > 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > X-Sender: jzell@XXXXXX > Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 16:56:46 +0000 > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > From: Jeannette Zell > Subject: 12 Puppies!!! (non-moto) > > Our dog Hera had 12 puppies this morning. Of course, as Murphy's Law would > have it, she had them from around 4AM-7:15AM the first day of my new job! LOL > The puppies are all healthy and gorgeous. We thought originally she was > only having 8, then two more popped out. I went to work on no sleep and > Tom went to sleep - lucky guy - and 2 more appeared while he was sleeping! > YIKES! LOL > Anyone interested in a pup, e-mail me off-list. : ) > > Moto - I am SO GLAD I didn't ride in today! Good luck to those who did and > be careful! > > - Jeannette > '86 VFR 700 F2 > http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 16:55:57 -0500 (EST) > From: Ken Woods > To: Kirk Roy > cc: dc > Subject: RE: Snowing??? > > On Tue, 18 Jan 2000, Kirk Roy wrote: > > > It's kind of fun to pass the 4WDs that have gotten themselves stuck in > > a ditch or whatever while you're riding your bike. > > http://www.kens.com/truckpics/gwnf/KW3.jpg > > -- > Ken Woods > kwoods@XXXXXX > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > From: "Danny Thompson" > To: , , > > Subject: Re: Re: New realm > Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 18:15:38 -0500 > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 > > After re-reading my post and some replies, I realized that the whole comment > about dragging pegs (esp. on the VFR?) might have sounded like I was > bragging or boasting, but I would like to make sure everyone knows that it > is not something I have ever done, nor do I like it on the streets. I was > actually concerned with safety and wanted to learn how I could be safer. I > would also like to point out that the place where I was riding was a local > place where there are some really great curves and I have been there many > times and know the road well. I had been up and down 2 times at a fairly > calm pace to check out the surface and refresh my memory about the corners. > I would say that at the most I was at 8/10ths here and there and mostly > 7/10ths. Thanks to everyones input, recommendations and safety concerns, It > looks like I will be needing to learn how to hang off my bike when I am at > the track. > > Danny > '99 VFR > '99 SV > Warrenton, VA --------------E0CBFB6877790BADACDC2B04 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="dmlutton.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for David M. Lutton Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="dmlutton.vcf" begin:vcard n:Lutton;David tel;home:(703)264-9856 x-mozilla-html:FALSE org:George Washington University;School of Medicine adr:;;;;;; version:2.1 email;internet:dmlutton@XXXXXX note:'98 YZF600R fn:David M. Lutton end:vcard --------------E0CBFB6877790BADACDC2B04-- From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 18 21:08:37 2000 Return-Path: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (imo22.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.66]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA25552 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 21:08:34 -0500 (EST) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.6.) id o.d1.11dd574 (4190); Tue, 18 Jan 2000 21:07:11 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 21:07:10 EST Subject: Re: Unsubscribe To: mike@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 146 maybe "they" should make a permanent folder where they store instructions as to list admins for all the lists they happen to be on - and do it immediately upon signing up for the list (just save the initial email). Then the info is always available ... In a message dated 1/18/00 10:14:02 AM, mike@XXXXXX writes: << Christ - they go in droves! Why is it so hard to go to the website and read unsub procedures? >> From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 18 21:09:07 2000 Return-Path: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (imo14.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.4]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA25562 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 21:09:06 -0500 (EST) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.6.) id i.e3.4c98f4 (4190); Tue, 18 Jan 2000 21:08:16 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 21:08:15 EST Subject: Re: anyone riding? To: dhallis@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 146 I went out Sunday in full winter gear and had to stop and remove half of it I got so hot. Coming home again at about 5:30 though I was glad I had everything on .... Marcy In a message dated 1/18/00 10:37:44 AM, dhallis@XXXXXX writes: << My wife and I were also out Sunday, sweating at 3:00pm then reaching for the jacket liners at 6:00pm. >> From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 18 22:12:27 2000 Return-Path: dmlutton@XXXXXX Received: from dragon.vcu.edu (dragon.vcu.edu [128.172.65.9]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA26592 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 22:12:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from hsc.vcu.edu (207-172-54-86.s86.tnt16.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.54.86]) by dragon.vcu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA3107964 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 22:14:43 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <38852BA9.386D0F0@hsc.vcu.edu> Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 22:12:41 -0500 From: "David M. Lutton" Organization: George Washington University X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-NECCK (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Never mind.... Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------2641B909BD06F7C249AC4162" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------2641B909BD06F7C249AC4162 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gentlemen/Ladies- Sorry for wasting your time with the last e-mail. Never mind. I suck. I traced the leak to a tube that was leaking -- went right to my air filter box -- you know the one with the air filter that I just oiled? Just some extra run off. :o) Dave '98 YZF600R --------------2641B909BD06F7C249AC4162 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="dmlutton.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for David M. Lutton Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="dmlutton.vcf" begin:vcard n:Lutton;David tel;home:(703)264-9856 x-mozilla-html:FALSE org:George Washington University;School of Medicine adr:;;;;;; version:2.1 email;internet:dmlutton@XXXXXX note:'98 YZF600R fn:David M. Lutton end:vcard --------------2641B909BD06F7C249AC4162-- From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 18 22:16:42 2000 Return-Path: rfeldman@XXXXXX Received: from herndon3.his.com (root@XXXXXX [209.67.207.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA26685 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 22:16:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from vienna5.his.com (root@XXXXXX [216.200.68.8]) by herndon3.his.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA23299 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 22:16:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from his.com (pm7a-13.his.com [216.200.82.13]) by vienna5.his.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA19300 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 22:15:53 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <38852D21.E4D7CFF7@his.com> Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 22:19:12 -0500 From: Richard Feldman Reply-To: rfeldman@XXXXXX Organization: Seahorse Racing/ Blue Turtle X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {TLC;RETAIL} (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 01/18/00 References: <200001190000.TAA23316@meretrix.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To illuminate the uneducated---- HP tells you how f-a-s-t you can go; TORQUE tells you how quickly you'll get there. Rick Feldman '00 Kaw ZR7 The dc-cycles list administrator wrote: > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > __ /-----\ __ 'dc-cycles' is an unmoderated email discussion list > (__\/ _____ \/__) about motorcycling in the Washington D.C. area. > =( \___/ )= > \ ___ / An archive of the dc-cycles list is available at: > | / _ \ | http://www.dc-cycles.org/ > \ || || / > \|| ||/ Subscribe/unsubscribe requests should be sent to: > \| |/ dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX > |_| > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 17:12:48 -0800 (PST) > From: "Louis F. Caplan" > Subject: Looking for range aids > To: DC-Cycles > > In March the MSF Motorcycle courses will begin again at the Alexandria and > Loudoun campuses of the Northern Virginia Community College. Both campuses > currently have a shortage of range aids. Range aids are the people who help us > keep things moving by setting up and clearing off the cones between exercises, > filling the bikes with gas after the course, and possibly some other things > depending on the course needs. > > These aren't just volunteers, during a full class (24 students) the pay is $156 > for the weekend (Saturday & Sunday), and during a half class (12 students), it > is $78. (Half classes are typically in July and August) > > At the Loudoun campus, range aids are also paid $40 for an ERC (Sunday > afternoon, held infrequently, would probably get about a week's notice) > > Courses in Alexandria run through mid-November, courses in Loudoun run until > early December. > > If you are interested in being a range aid, the people to contact are: > > NVCC Alexandria: Louie Kyler, 703-845-6110, lkyler@XXXXXX > > NVCC Loudoun: Claire Wynne (nvwynnc@XXXXXX) or David Hepburn > (dhepburn@XXXXXX) 703-450-2551 > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Reply-To: > From: "RMeyer" > To: > Subject: RE: changing tread-not thread > Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 21:44:25 -0500 > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 > > I've about decided to mortgage one of my children and by a Roadcrafter. But > first, I wonder if anyone has used one and DOESN'T like it? If so, why? > > Thanks, > > In The Wind, > Bob Meyer > 1992 ST1100 (Red STag), STOC #1157 > ============================================= > People are more violently opposed to fur than leather, because it's safer to > pick on rich women than biker gangs. > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Reply-To: > From: "RMeyer" > To: > Subject: Anyone not like Aerostitch Roadcrafter? > Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 22:17:45 -0500 > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 > > OOPS! Forgive me for the prior post with the wrong subject header. I got > lazy and forgot to change the subject. My most humble and abject apologies. > Yeah, right! > > Bob > > > > > > > I've about decided to mortgage one of my children and by a > > Roadcrafter. But > > first, I wonder if anyone has used one and DOESN'T like it? If so, why? > > > > Thanks, > > > > In The Wind, > > Bob Meyer > > 1992 ST1100 (Red STag), STOC #1157 > > ============================================= > > People are more violently opposed to fur than leather, because > > it's safer to > > pick on rich women than biker gangs. > > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 20:51:46 -0800 (PST) > From: "Collin T. Fagan" > Subject: Re: Comments from a "newbie" > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Ryan, > Some interesting comments, and I agree with some of em, but have to > disagree with others... > I holeheartedly agree, that if you ride long enough, you will > eventually go down. I also agree that you should buy the best safety > gear you can possibly afford... If that means buying an 85 V500F P.O.S. > for $500 and spend $1500 ona set of nice leathers and helmet, so be > it...Nothing frightens me more than seeing someone on a shiny new > crotch rocket wearing regular clothes and a helmet, then trying to wick > up the speed.. I REFUSE to ride with that person.... > > However, I don't think one should go looking to find that first time on > the pavement so quickly...I have to disagree with you on buying the > bigger powered bikes (and I lump anyhthing putting out about 95hp on in > this category, i.e.. MOST of the modern 600's and up). It is just too > much for a newbie's brain to figure out... I'll try to explain my > rationale... > > For someone like me that has ridden now for about 19 years, there are a > lot of situations that I react to as second nature. However, these > sorts of things are NOT natural reactions, they are learned with > experience... you WILL make mistakes.. even now with lots of experience > under the belt, I make em too... It's dealing with them that makes the > difference.... > > One of THE BIGGEST MISTAKES that I've seen newbies (and done myself a > long time ago) do in a panic situation is grab a handful of gas...On a > "tame" bike like an FZR600, GS500, EX500, VF500, ninja250, nighthawk > 700, SV650 ...well you get the picture, grabbing a handful of gas will > still be bad, but you just might have time to recover from that > mistake, or, the end results will be relatively minor.....Now picture > the same mistake on a high output bike....the bike reacts instantly to > the throttle input which results in A) RAPID increase in speeds. B) > wheel spin C) unexpected wheelies (especially while leaned over) D) > combinations of all the above. > > I was lucky in that I lived out in the boonies when I was young, and > started out on a 50cc little dirt bike... I moved on to 80 cc, then had > several 100-175 cc bikes, both full dirt, and street legal enduros. My > first "real" street only bike was an 82 KZ650.. a hefty sucker, but > manageable by that point.. I also got into dirt bike racing .. both > 125's and 250's... I have yet to ride anything else as peaky as a two > stroke dirt bike set up to race! > > I've got lots of opinions so take em with a grain of salt. I am > probably the one of the fastest people you will ever meet. I'm also > one of the nicest fellas you will meet (both can be backed up by other > listers......). You don't need a liter bike to be cool, > you don't need a liter bike to be fast. I love taking my old Maxim 650 > (luggage rack and all) out and lead the "fast" group on rides...My ego > likes hearing about how "fast" the pace was when we stop for lunch too > ;-) Besides, it's pretty fun whooping up on big bikes with a beat up > junker...Thanks to Randy Moran though, I have a new little tool for the > street, and unfortunately, after my little ride yesterday, I can tell > it is waaaay to easy to go too fast on the little Bandit 400 I got from > him. No, it won't beat any of the DCSportbike club guys out on a long > straight stretch, but give me a set of twisties... lol > > Ok.. so I've been rambling again.. sorry folks... > I agree with you on the leathers too... I walked away from two 135mph+ > crashes in turn 4 at summit this year with nothing more than a broken > pinky finger (caused by my finger getting in between the clipon and the > ground as it snapped the bar!). If you're buddy walked away from a 5th > gear HIGHSIDE without any injuries, he needs to say a few prayers... I > have never seen a highside without some injuries... (got a nice sore > neck (still) and a light concussion out of my highside in Ohio this > summer). > > I guess if you are still reading, my bottom line is yes, you are > right.. get a bike that you can physically move around with > comfortably, but make sure that that bike doesn't have so much > potential that it will get you in over your head in half a heartbeat. > > Collin > (It was sooo nice in VA yesterday.... now I'm back home and it's a > regular blizzard with 6 inches on the ground and still falling hard :( > .....) > > ===== > Collin T. Fagan > DC-Cycles Racing > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ > Proudly sponsored by: > Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) > Dixie Cycles > Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 21:01:23 -0800 (PST) > From: "Collin T. Fagan" > Subject: Re: Comments from a "newbie" (more) > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Oh yeah... forgot to comment on one thing... > I am all for making a double yellow pass if it is safe, but saying to > ignore the yellow and use the whole road is quite frankly moronic! > Not meaning any personal insults, but that kind of riding leaves you > with zero margin for error.. and on the street, there are just too many > unknowns... > > Nothing more annoying than one time I was railing up the mountain along > 211 and I came upon three goofs (2 CBR900's and a GSXR750), and I had > to slow down almost 20 miles per hour cause thes idiots were using all > of both lanes to take the corners (and they were barely doing it at > that!)... and on the maxim, it's whopping 50hp (being generous here) > made it impossible to thrust past them on the little straights.. :( > Talked to em a bit at the top of the hill.. they weren't bad guys or > anything, just goofs... did a couple of up and overs with them, but I > made them let me in front to start with...(they were all cracking about > how they were going to wave as they wheelied past ;-)) needless to > say, the conversation the next time we stopped at the top was pretty > funny... > > Collin > > ===== > Collin T. Fagan > DC-Cycles Racing > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ > Proudly sponsored by: > Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) > Dixie Cycles > Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 21:08:40 -0800 (PST) > From: "Collin T. Fagan" > Subject: Re: wind and cold > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > I'll second (third) that it sucks!!!! > > while the riding weather was quite sweet yesterday afternoon, riding > from the Leesburgh direction all the way down to Woodbridge last night > around 9PM with fully perforated leathers and my lightweight gloves on > was downright painfull!! > > CT > > ===== > Collin T. Fagan > DC-Cycles Racing > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ > Proudly sponsored by: > Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) > Dixie Cycles > Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 21:18:14 -0800 (PST) > From: "Collin T. Fagan" > Subject: Awards and schedule > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Just wanted to say a big thank you to my DCC friends.... > Saturday night I received the MARRC Heavyweight Amateur Rider of the > Year award at the annual banquet. I'm sure a few of my votes came from > you folks. > Also a BIG thank you to those that came out to the track this season to > watch me and the gang race.... through the good times with the numerous > 1st place trophies, and even the bad times when there were pieces of me > and the bike strewn from one end of the pit area to the other (and some > never found!! lol) > > And of course, an even bigger thanks to my pit mates and anyone else > that took an active role making things happen. > > I'm just starting to get ready for the new season... with the distance, > I will probably only make it to Summit Point a few times, but I am > already looking forward to it (may just have to do that 4 hour > endurance race this season) > > To give folks an idea of what this season looks like.... This season's > results means that I will be putting on the white expert plates. I > plan on primarily running the GLRRA series up this way for points. I'm > also going to try and hit some of the FASTRAX events at Nelson Ledges > in Ohio as well as some of the WERA Mid-America rounds. And of course, > I'd like to hit a round or two at my home track Summit Point whenever > possible. > The ultimate goal this season is to qualify and participate in the AMA > 750 Supersport round at Mid-Ohio this coming july....I am pretty > confident that I can make the grid;however, the big prayer is that I > will actually have the money to do it....we'll see.. > > If anyone has ideas for sponsorship, feel free to let me know... only > costs me a little time and 30 some odd cents to send a letter asking > for help! > > Collin > > ===== > Collin T. Fagan > DC-Cycles Racing > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ > Proudly sponsored by: > Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) > Dixie Cycles > Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Date: 18 Jan 2000 05:30:12 -0000 > From: "Gil Nissley" > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > X-Originating-IP: [140.185.62.14] > Subject: Re: New Buell Beginner Bike > > On Mon, 17 Jan 2000 07:40:27 -0500 Randy and Julie Moran wrote: > >I'm just happy to see an American manufacturer attempting to make a > >standard and sell it for a reasonable price. > > I had similar thoughts about a 'Merican sportbike when I bought my first Buell. Big let down. > > >I don't imagine a single > >cylinder bike could be too bad to work on, and this particular one seems > >to be pretty elemental. > > Things are pretty tightly packed into Buells. They're tiny bikes. And unless their build quality and design has increased several-fold,they're gonna have probs. Only machines I've ever seen where I would whole-heartedly recommend buying an extended warranty. > > >The main point is the price, I think. > > Yes,considering the slashed prices on the rest of the line,Blasts will prolly be cheap. And you'll get what you pay for. > > >It should > >attract quite a few new people to motorcycling. > > And send them away the first time they're stranded at the side of the road. Buells are known for this(mine did me 4 times). > > The BuellBoy Emeritus. > > dynaryder@XXXXXX HSB#38D GATB#1121 <*> > > '98 Dyna Convertible > '80 CB750F > > Sign up for your FREE Email at http://mail.chek.com > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > From: Jason Picton > To: "''dc-cycles@XXXXXX' '" > Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 00:29:45 -0500 > > Unsubscribe > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Date: 18 Jan 2000 05:40:10 -0000 > From: "Gil Nissley" > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > X-Originating-IP: [140.185.62.14] > Subject: RE: Wind > > On Mon, 17 Jan 2000 11:55:11 -0500 Michael Jay wrote: > >>had a big gust of wind that grabbed my bike cover and acted like a perfect > >>sail, Kerplop! > >Yes, the cover was on the bike. > > From my experience of living on military bases(read: wide open parking lots w/no cover) I've found it best in high winds to pull the cover off the bike. Better it get wet than blown over. > Something you might want to look into is that monopod stand. Can't remember who makes it,but I saw it reviewed in _MCN_. It looks kinda like a crutch,and you wedge it on the right side of your bike,opposite the kickstand. Supposably,it'll keep the bike up in fairly stiff(non-hurricane) winds. > > The BuellBoy Emeritus. > > dynaryder@XXXXXX HSB#38D GATB#1121 <*> > > '98 Dyna Convertible > '80 CB750F > > Sign up for your FREE Email at http://mail.chek.com > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > From: Cedric Bernescut > Reply-To: "bernescut@XXXXXX" > To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" > Subject: anyone riding? > Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 07:19:43 -0500 > Organization: NCEA > > Pretty chilly this morning. 17 degrees in my neck of the woods, 2 degrees > with wind chill. I didn't see anyone else out there today on I66, anyone > else riding? > Cedric > 1996 CBR600F3 > AMA 663626 > Annandale, VA > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > From: "Kirt S." > To: , > Subject: Re: anyone riding? > Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 07:46:19 -0500 > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 > > WOO HOO...CBR riders of Annandale unite! I rode... Froze my nuts off, but > that's quite all right. :-) Just another aerostich endorsement. Buy > one.... The only thing cold was my hands and feet and the air I was > breathing... Anyone else riding keep in mind cold tires = slippage, and > black ice is nigh invisible. Be careful. > > Kirt > 1999 CBR600F4 > Annandale, Va > > -----Original Message----- > From: Cedric Bernescut > To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' < > > Date: Tuesday, January 18, 2000 7:31 AM > Subject: anyone riding? > > >Pretty chilly this morning. 17 degrees in my neck of the woods, 2 degrees > >with wind chill. I didn't see anyone else out there today on I66, anyone > >else riding? > >Cedric > >1996 CBR600F3 > >AMA 663626 > >Annandale, VA > > > > > > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > From: "LindaT" > To: "DC-CYCLES" > Subject: RE: anyone riding? > Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 07:53:44 -0500 > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 > > I'm not riding my new RT this morning. Not because of the cold (for those > of us wired), but because of the possible snow (EEK, slip, slide, BOOM). > > Waiting for the next non-snow-forecast day... > > LindaT. > 99 R1100RT name tbd > 95 F3 Purple Haze (66K miles and counting...) > 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing (0 miles and not counting) > http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ > > Cedric Bernescut asked: > > Pretty chilly this morning. 17 degrees in my neck of the woods, 2 degrees > with wind chill. I didn't see anyone else out there today on I66, anyone > else riding? > Cedric > 1996 CBR600F3 > AMA 663626 > Annandale, VA > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > From: Cedric Bernescut > Reply-To: "bernescut@XXXXXX" > To: "'LindaT'" , DC-CYCLES > Subject: RE: anyone riding? > Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 08:05:34 -0500 > Organization: NCEA > > Ha!, its just a flesh wound (gratuitous MP reference) It said this morning > that it would be but a flurry or two, of course ask me this afternoon and I > could very well find myself thoroughly chagrined and castigated. > Cedric > > -----Original Message----- > From: LindaT [SMTP:ljtanner@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2000 7:54 AM > To: DC-CYCLES > Subject: RE: anyone riding? > > I'm not riding my new RT this morning. Not because of the cold (for those > of us wired), but because of the possible snow (EEK, slip, slide, BOOM). > > Waiting for the next non-snow-forecast day... > > LindaT. > 99 R1100RT name tbd > 95 F3 Purple Haze (66K miles and counting...) > 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing (0 miles and not counting) > http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ > > Cedric Bernescut asked: > > Pretty chilly this morning. 17 degrees in my neck of the woods, 2 degrees > with wind chill. I didn't see anyone else out there today on I66, anyone > else riding? > Cedric > 1996 CBR600F3 > AMA 663626 > Annandale, VA > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > From: "Paul A. Wilson" > To: > Subject: Re: anyone riding? > Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 09:19:11 -0500 > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > > I'll second the warning about cold tires. A little squirrelly in a turn > this morning. Also a big "thank you" to the numbskull that spilled diesel > fuel at a stop light on my route. > > I would rather have cold and dry than warm and wet. We'll see what the > evening brings. > > Paul Wilson > Washington DC > 91 CB750 > > ---------- > > From: Kirt S. > > To: bernescut@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Re: anyone riding? > > Date: Tuesday, January 18, 2000 7:46 AM > > > > WOO HOO...CBR riders of Annandale unite! I rode... Froze my nuts off, > but > > that's quite all right. :-) Just another aerostich endorsement. Buy > > one.... The only thing cold was my hands and feet and the air I was > > breathing... Anyone else riding keep in mind cold tires = slippage, and > > black ice is nigh invisible. Be careful. > > > > Kirt > > 1999 CBR600F4 > > Annandale, Va > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > From: "Love, Cathy, Ms, SAM-OPNR" > To: "''dc-cycles@XXXXXX' '" > Subject: Unsubscribe > Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 08:50:08 -0500 > > Unsubscribe. > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 09:50:30 -0500 > From: Todd Peer > Subject: RE: wind and cold > To: "Collin T. Fagan" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX > X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 > X-MSMail-priority: Normal > > That's insanity! I drove home from Arlington around that time last night > and was cold :| > > Rode in this morning with rain pants on and the Darien w/liner. Had a > balaclava on and those thick, ski-like gloves. Pant's tucked into boots. I > could still feel the cold but it wasn't right on me. > > You sir, are crazy! > > T > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Collin T. Fagan [mailto:gixer_racer@XXXXXX] > > > > I'll second (third) that it sucks!!!! > > > > while the riding weather was quite sweet yesterday afternoon, riding > > from the Leesburgh direction all the way down to Woodbridge last night > > around 9PM with fully perforated leathers and my lightweight gloves on > > was downright painfull!! > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 09:50:31 -0500 > From: Todd Peer > Subject: RE: anyone riding? > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 > X-MSMail-priority: Normal > > It's funny what a difference in temperature, a difference in rider numbers > make. I was out Saturday for about 45 minutes riding the Burke, Lorton area > roads and there was nary another rider. Out on Sunday and I counted 4 > groups of three and many single and two up riders buzzing the same roads. > > This morning, all by myself again. 20 degrees in West Springfield this > morning. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Cedric Bernescut [mailto:bernescut@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2000 7:20 AM > > To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > > Subject: anyone riding? > > > > > > Pretty chilly this morning. 17 degrees in my neck of the woods, > > 2 degrees > > with wind chill. I didn't see anyone else out there today on I66, anyone > > else riding? > > Cedric > > 1996 CBR600F3 > > AMA 663626 > > Annandale, VA > > > > > > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX > Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 10:06:12 -0500 > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > From: Troutman > Subject: Re: Unsubscribe > > At 08:50 AM 1/18/00 100 people wrote to the list: > >Unsubscribe. > > Christ - they go in droves! Why is it so hard to go to the website and > read unsub procedures? > > http://www.dc-cycles.org/ > > Email the human at > dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > > '97 Honda VFR 750 > Eat right. Stay fit. Die anyway. > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 10:02:10 -0500 > From: Todd Peer > Subject: RE: anyone riding? > To: LindaT , DC-CYCLES > X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 > X-MSMail-priority: Normal > > Snow!!! =8-0 > > I didn't see that report this morning. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: LindaT [mailto:ljtanner@XXXXXX] > > > > I'm not riding my new RT this morning. Not because of the cold (for those > > of us wired), but because of the possible snow (EEK, slip, slide, BOOM). > > > > Waiting for the next non-snow-forecast day... > > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > X-Originating-IP: [204.193.255.42] > From: "Doug Allis" > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: anyone riding? > Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 07:31:27 PST > > I rode my PC into work this am. Cold doesn't botheer me much, but IF it > snows this afternoon I will be riding Metro and the bus back to Springfield > tonight. > > My wife and I were also out Sunday, sweating at 3:00pm then reaching for the > jacket liners at 6:00pm. Someone said the good weather brings out riders. I > agree, my wife who's a warm weather rider, went out of her way to get the > baby siter to come a couple of hours early so we could "take the bike" for a > spin in the sun before an evening out. > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX > Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 10:51:14 -0500 > Subject: Re: anyone riding? > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Content-disposition: inline > X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMERICAS-US@INTL > > If Murphy has his way, it will be cold AND wet. > > --chris > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > cc: > From: "Paul A. Wilson" > Date: 01/18/2000 02:19:11 PM GMT > Subject: Re: anyone riding? > > I'll second the warning about cold tires. A little squirrelly in a turn > this morning. Also a big "thank you" to the numbskull that spilled diesel > fuel at a stop light on my route. > > I would rather have cold and dry than warm and wet. We'll see what the > evening brings. > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which > it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any > review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action > in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the > intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please > contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 10:55:15 -0500 > From: Gary Foreman > Subject: RE: Unsubscribe > To: DC-Cycles Mailing List > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 > > Rebel without a clue :-) > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Love, Cathy, Ms, SAM-OPNR [mailto:Cathy.Love@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2000 8:50 AM > > To: ''dc-cycles@XXXXXX' ' > > Subject: Unsubscribe > > > > > > Unsubscribe. > > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 08:02:11 -0800 (PST) > From: Leon Begeman > Subject: Re: anyone riding? > To: "bernescut@XXXXXX" , > "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" > > Two other bikes passed me in this AM on I95/395. > > Leon. > > --- Cedric Bernescut wrote: > > Pretty chilly this morning. 17 degrees in my neck > > of the woods, 2 degrees > > with wind chill. I didn't see anyone else out there > > today on I66, anyone > > else riding? > > Cedric > > 1996 CBR600F3 > > AMA 663626 > > Annandale, VA > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 08:05:03 -0800 (PST) > From: Leon Begeman > Subject: Re: anyone riding? > To: "Paul A. Wilson" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > --- "Paul A. Wilson" wrote: > > I would rather have cold and dry than warm and wet. > > Agree, but cold and wet really sucks. It's almost bad > enough to wish the temp would drop a few more degrees > because ice won't soak through. > > Leon. > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > X-Originating-IP: [199.217.89.183] > From: "Razz Man" > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: anyone riding? > Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 11:26:02 EST > > Cold is no biggie....my rule is "if it ain't rainin or snowin', I'm on 2 > wheels." > > >Pretty chilly this morning. 17 degrees in my neck of the woods, 2 degrees > >with wind chill. I didn't see anyone else out there today on I66, anyone > >else riding? > >Cedric > >1996 CBR600F3 > >AMA 663626 > >Annandale, VA > > > > > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > From: "Horkster" > Reply-To: "Horkster" > Date: Tue, 18 Jan 100 12:10:26 -0500 > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, > Subject: Re: Comments from a "newbie" > > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: "Collin T. Fagan" > Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 20:51:46 -0800 (PST) > > >I am probably the one of the fastest people you will ever meet. I'm > >also one of the nicest fellas you will meet (both can be backed up by > > other listers......). > > Yes, and yes. I wanna be just like Collin when I grow up. He's > my hero! :) > > I get such a kick out of folks who talk about getting a better bike > because they can't keep up with their pals. I think of Collin > on that "pack mule" of his and just giggle. It's not the bike, folks. > > >(It was sooo nice in VA yesterday.... now I'm back home and it's a > >regular blizzard with 6 inches on the ground and still falling hard :( > > Well, it was in the teens today, so don't feel too bad. I was sick this > whole weekend, didn't get to ride at all - darn. The commute in this > morning wasn't too bad - I even left the top vent open on the helmet, > heh, heh. > > Horkster > -- > Dale Horstman (The Horkster) > Horkster@XXXXXX > Dale City, VA, USA, Earth > > 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer > 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi > -- > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > From: "Horkster" > Reply-To: "Horkster" > Date: Tue, 18 Jan 100 12:27:57 -0500 > To: , "bernescut@XXXXXX" > Subject: Re: anyone riding? > > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: Cedric Bernescut > > >I didn't see anyone else out there today on I66, anyone > >else riding? > > You know, if it gets much colder out, I might have to put > the heated liner back in the pants of my Gerbing suit. :) > > I'll be riding as long as the roads are clear. > > Dale > -- > Dale Horstman (The Horkster) > Horkster@XXXXXX > Dale City, VA, USA, Earth > > 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer > 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi > -- > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX > Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 13:31:21 EST > Subject: Re: comments, ducati, stuff > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > On the comments from Ryan: > > Good and band things said there. The comment that you're going to fall on > your first sportbike... um, I didn't. After riding on smaller and larger > (non-sportbike) bikes for 9 years, I bought a YZF600R in '98. At the time the > bike was stolen (which sucked, I liked the bike) it had about 5k miles on it, > and not a scratch. The experience of riding and learning on other machines > translated just fine and I had no problems with the powerband and handling - > your brain knows what to do in an emergency based on experience. Did I make > some mistakes on the YZF? Yeah... wheelspin a couple times, one unintentional > wheelie, etc... but the 'ol noggin knew what to do and we turned out AOK. > Since then, I've moved on to racing and ride a FZR400 superbike in WERA/CCS. > I blame this on Colin and McCoy :) > > You want to talk about powerband? my 70hp FZR has two modes... on and off. > Below 10.5k rpm, NOTHING (It makes sputtering noises and about 30hp). Between > 10.5k and 11.2k I get a 17hp hit... like a lightswitch, then it's linear up > to 70hp at 13.5k. The powerband never gave me a problem as the brain had > experience. (This is not to say I didn't crash this year... but it wasn't due > to powerband :) ) > > As for the Ducati 750 monster... valve adjustments really aren't that bad on > them anymore. I have a 900ss (the ss models use the same motor) and you only > have to have them checked every 6000 miles now (Still more than a jap bike, > but not horrible). And in regard to the Ducatis not having HP - correct, but > look at the TORQUE!! You want to win stoplight races? Buy a Ducati. You want > to get to that low-hp induced top end of ~130mph in a HURRY? Buy a Duc. You > want to accidentally find out you can pull a wheelie in gears 1 - 3? You get > the picture :) HP is not necessarily the only thing to look at on the spec > sheet (Nor is the spec sheet the only thing to look at!). My only regret is > NOT buying the 750ss and getting the 900ss instead (I actually didn't know > much about ducatis when I got mine, and noone had the 750, ergo in my head it > didn't exist). The 900 is indeed a handfull. > > On top of that.... they're beautiful bikes, and make such sweet sounds :) > > - Bri > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > From: jnewman@XXXXXX > To: BryanRoach@XXXXXX > Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 14:25:26 -0500 > Subject: Re: comments, ducati, stuff > Reply-to: jnewman@XXXXXX > CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Just out of curiosity, how much does a valve check or adjustment > cost when you get the bike checked up? > > -John N. <---who has always drooled over a 748 > 88 FZR 400 > > BryanRoach wrote: > > "I have a 900ss (the ss models use the same motor) and you only > have to have them checked every 6000 miles now (Still more than a > jap bike, > but not horrible)." > > From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX > Date sent: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 13:31:21 EST > Subject: Re: comments, ducati, stuff > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > On the comments from Ryan: > > Good and band things said there. The comment that you're going to fall on > your first sportbike... um, I didn't. After riding on smaller and larger > (non-sportbike) bikes for 9 years, I bought a YZF600R in '98. At the time the > bike was stolen (which sucked, I liked the bike) it had about 5k miles on it, > and not a scratch. The experience of riding and learning on other machines > translated just fine and I had no problems with the powerband and handling - > your brain knows what to do in an emergency based on experience. Did I make > some mistakes on the YZF? Yeah... wheelspin a couple times, one unintentional > wheelie, etc... but the 'ol noggin knew what to do and we turned out AOK. > Since then, I've moved on to racing and ride a FZR400 superbike in WERA/CCS. > I blame this on Colin and McCoy :) > > You want to talk about powerband? my 70hp FZR has two modes... on and off. > Below 10.5k rpm, NOTHING (It makes sputtering noises and about 30hp). Between > 10.5k and 11.2k I get a 17hp hit... like a lightswitch, then it's linear up > to 70hp at 13.5k. The powerband never gave me a problem as the brain had > experience. (This is not to say I didn't crash this year... but it wasn't due > to powerband :) ) > > As for the Ducati 750 monster... valve adjustments really aren't that bad on > them anymore. I have a 900ss (the ss models use the same motor) and you only > have to have them checked every 6000 miles now (Still more than a jap bike, > but not horrible). And in regard to the Ducatis not having HP - correct, but > look at the TORQUE!! You want to win stoplight races? Buy a Ducati. You want > to get to that low-hp induced top end of ~130mph in a HURRY? Buy a Duc. You > want to accidentally find out you can pull a wheelie in gears 1 - 3? You get > the picture :) HP is not necessarily the only thing to look at on the spec > sheet (Nor is the spec sheet the only thing to look at!). My only regret is > NOT buying the 750ss and getting the 900ss instead (I actually didn't know > much about ducatis when I got mine, and noone had the 750, ergo in my head it > didn't exist). The 900 is indeed a handfull. > > On top of that.... they're beautiful bikes, and make such sweet sounds :) > > - Bri > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Date: 18 Jan 00 14:51:06 EST > From: LindaT > To: dc > Subject: Snowing??? > > To anyone who rode who doesn't have an outside window... > > It's snowing like crazy out here in Fairfax and it's sticking. > > glad I didn't ride. > > LindaT. > 99 R1100RT name tbd > 95 F3 Purple Haze (66K miles and counting) > 00 KLR250 Tenzing (0 miles and not counting) > http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ > > ____________________________________________________________________ > Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webm= > ail.netscape.com. > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > From: "Horkster" > Reply-To: "Horkster" > Date: Tue, 18 Jan 100 15:11:45 -0500 > To: , > Subject: Re: Snowing??? > > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: LindaT > Date: 18 Jan 00 14:51:06 EST > > >It's snowing like crazy out here in Fairfax and it's sticking. > > > >glad I didn't ride. > > > >LindaT. > >99 R1100RT name tbd > > What, you bought a new Beemer and didn't get the TCS/ABS/Snowplow > option? :) > > Congrats on the new bike! > > Dale > -- > Dale Horstman (The Horkster) > Horkster@XXXXXX > Dale City, VA, USA, Earth > > 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer > 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi > -- > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > From: "Horkster" > Reply-To: "Horkster" > Date: Tue, 18 Jan 100 15:20:02 -0500 > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, "Collin T. Fagan" > Subject: Re: Comments from a "newbie" (more) > > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: "Collin T. Fagan" > Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 21:01:23 -0800 (PST) > > >Nothing more annoying than one time I was railing up the mountain along > >211 and I came upon three goofs (2 CBR900's and a GSXR750), and I had > >to slow down almost 20 miles per hour cause thes idiots were using all > >of both lanes to take the corners > > Isn't it more of a challenge doing 211 and the like while staying > in just one of the lanes (pick one, either one, and just stay in > that lane?) anyway? > > I've followed folks (briefly, before they left me wayyyyyy behind) > who used both lanes, and I thought it to be a tad unnecessary. > > I'm not (and probably never will be) a fast rider, but I can have > plenty of fun while trying to keep it between the lines on roads like > this. > > Dale > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > From: "Danny Thompson" > To: , , > Subject: New realm > Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 15:22:12 -0500 > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 > > I have ventured into the realm of scraping pegs and have some questions. I > had not gotten enough lean angle to scrape my pegs before, but I am now. How > do I adjust my riding to keep the pegs from taking weight and therefore > traction off of the tires. I am usually weighting the inside peg and now I > am afraid it will lever the tires of the pavement. Any suggestions or advice > would be appreciated. > > By the way this was on my VFR on some local tight twisties that I know very > well. > > TIA, > Danny > '99 VFR > '99 SV > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX > Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 15:40:17 EST > Subject: Re: New realm > To: dthompso1@XXXXXX > CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > In a message dated 1/18/00 3:29:03 PM Eastern Standard Time, > dthompso1@XXXXXX writes: > > > I have ventured into the realm of scraping pegs and have some questions. I > > had not gotten enough lean angle to scrape my pegs before, but I am now. > How > > do I adjust my riding to keep the pegs from taking weight and therefore > > traction off of the tires. I am usually weighting the inside peg and now I > > am afraid it will lever the tires of the pavement. Any suggestions or > advice > > would be appreciated. > > Get off the bike. :) > By moving your body over to the side and lower on the bike, you change the > center of gravity and reduce the amount of lean angle needed. Once you're > scraping pegs, you're out of ground clearance and the next thing that is > gonna happen is the rear coming off the ground. The key here is both lower & > to the side, not just to the side... to give you an idea, on the racetrack my > current goal is to get my outside elbow as close to the top of the tank as > possible... I actually don't drag my knees as much anymore, but I'm going > faster. (I do use my knee as a curb feeler of sorts, but pull it in most of > the time). I still have a lot of work to do, but I'm improving. > > Ya *might* want to get yourself a set of kneepads at this point... although I > don't know if I condone dragging a knee on a public street or not... :) > > Option B is to buy a set of rearsets (if you haven't already done do). > > - Bri > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > From: "Weaver, Chris" > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Comments from a "newbie" (more) > Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 15:44:10 -0500 > > I agree. Besides, it's much more fun to show the cars how much lean you can > get as you pass them. ;^) > > Chris Weaver > 98 VTR 1000 > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Horkster [SMTP:horkster@XXXXXX] > > Sent: None > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Collin T. Fagan > > Subject: Re: Comments from a "newbie" (more) > > > > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > > From: "Collin T. Fagan" > > Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 21:01:23 -0800 (PST) > > > > >Nothing more annoying than one time I was railing up the mountain along > > >211 and I came upon three goofs (2 CBR900's and a GSXR750), and I had > > >to slow down almost 20 miles per hour cause thes idiots were using all > > >of both lanes to take the corners > > > > Isn't it more of a challenge doing 211 and the like while staying > > in just one of the lanes (pick one, either one, and just stay in > > that lane?) anyway? > > > > I've followed folks (briefly, before they left me wayyyyyy behind) > > who used both lanes, and I thought it to be a tad unnecessary. > > > > I'm not (and probably never will be) a fast rider, but I can have > > plenty of fun while trying to keep it between the lines on roads like > > this. > > > > Dale > > > > > > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > From: "Weaver, Chris" > To: "'Danny Thompson'" , vfr@XXXXXX, > sv650@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: New realm > Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 15:51:22 -0500 > > Danny, > > I recall reading somewhere that it's desirable to weight the outside peg > during a turn. I don't think the reasoning was to keep the inside peg from > levering you off the road, but rather to help control the angle and handling > of the bike. It's my assumption that it would also make the bike more stable > as you hang off to the inside. Any lessening of the lever effect would be a > side benefit of weighting the outside peg too. > > Keep in mind that this is mostly hearsay and second-hand info, since I > haven't really managed to scrape the peg feelers on the VTR yet. I also > don't have enough calmness or body-awareness yet to think about my feet > during hard leans. > > Chris > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Danny Thompson [SMTP:dthompso1@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2000 3:22 PM > > To: vfr@XXXXXX; sv650@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: New realm > > > > I have ventured into the realm of scraping pegs and have some questions. I > > had not gotten enough lean angle to scrape my pegs before, but I am now. > > How > > do I adjust my riding to keep the pegs from taking weight and therefore > > traction off of the tires. I am usually weighting the inside peg and now I > > am afraid it will lever the tires of the pavement. Any suggestions or > > advice > > would be appreciated. > > > > By the way this was on my VFR on some local tight twisties that I know > > very > > well. > > > > TIA, > > Danny > > '99 VFR > > '99 SV > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 15:53:00 -0500 (EST) > From: Kirk Roy > X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX > To: DC-Cycles Mailing List > Subject: Re: New realm > Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative > > On Tue, 18 Jan 2000, Danny Thompson wrote: > > How do I adjust my riding to keep the pegs from taking weight and > > therefore traction off of the tires. > > There are lots of things you could do: improve your choice of lines, get > more of your body weight to the inside, relocate your pegs, raise the rear > of your bike, ride slower, etc. > > It sounds like you're doing things to improve the situation already > though. That is, taking a track school and then racing. With the fear of > sounding like a hypocrite I suggest that it's best not to get too much of > the taste of speed and maximal cornering on the street. I would bet that > racing will help you to ride slower on the road... > > As you know, I've taken to the dirt to get my kicks riding hard. Street > riding at 8-9/10ths has seemed pretty tame and boring since then... I've > been trying to get my riding buddies out in the dirt with limited success > (not to mention that Danny sold his dirt bike after riding with > me... Punk!). More than once this past sunday I dragged the pegs on the > KLX while ripping around a berm (and that with the pegs 4-6" higher off > the ground than a street bike would have). :) > > Kirk > 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://dirtrider.net/planetklx/) > 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > From: "Weaver, Chris" > To: "'BryanRoach@XXXXXX'" , dthompso1@XXXXXX > Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" > Subject: RE: New realm > Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 15:55:12 -0500 > > Danny, > > I have a set of strap-on knee sliders (sounds dirty don't it?) you can > borrow some time if you want to try it... > > Chris > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX [SMTP:BryanRoach@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2000 3:40 PM > > To: dthompso1@XXXXXX > > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Re: New realm > > > > Ya *might* want to get yourself a set of kneepads at this point... > > although I > > don't know if I condone dragging a knee on a public street or not... :) > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 15:43:53 -0500 > From: Todd Peer > Subject: RE: Snowing??? > To: LindaT , dc > X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 > X-MSMail-priority: Normal > > Yep, hailing from the home habit now. Find that a slower pace, > concentrating on rear braking when necessary and staying as upright as > possible makes for safe passage. Keep away from the BDC's too. Sort of > difficult with the "me strong, invincible" SUV crowd. Someone tell these > morons that 4 wheels slide just fine, four-wheel drive or not. > > Todd > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: LindaT [mailto:ljtanner@XXXXXX] > > > > To anyone who rode who doesn't have an outside window... > > > > It's snowing like crazy out here in Fairfax and it's sticking. > > > > glad I didn't ride. > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 15:46:52 -0500 > From: Todd Peer > Subject: RE: Comments from a "newbie" (more) > To: Horkster , dc-cycles@XXXXXX, > "Collin T. Fagan" > X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 > X-MSMail-priority: Normal > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Horkster [mailto:horkster@XXXXXX] > > Isn't it more of a challenge doing 211 and the like while staying > > in just one of the lanes (pick one, either one, and just stay in > > that lane?) anyway? > > Dale > > Agree with you Dale. The challenge to stay in your chosen lane, while > hauling tail through the likes of 211 is definitely more satisfying than > being all over the road. I've ridden behind people who insist on all of the > road. I find it very annoying. It says something to me, like, "look at me, > I have no control over my line". > > The worst is when it is just two lanes =8-0 > > Was down at CPS in Woodbridge this past weekend and they had a video of what > looked like some UK sportbike comparo. These guys were all over the road, > but that was probably the least of their worries. Cruising at close to > 150mph on two lane roads, barely missing oncoming traffic on double yellow > lane passes, and multiple for the camara rolling wheelies at close to and > over 65mph. It started with four bikes, and by the time I got there it was > down to an R1, CBRXX and a Hayabusa. Lunatic, yeah! Wonder how many > actually finished the vid? > > Todd > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 15:55:05 -0500 > From: Todd Peer > Subject: RE: comments, ducati, stuff > To: jnewman@XXXXXX, BryanRoach@XXXXXX > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 > X-MSMail-priority: Normal > > More importantly to us home-mechanics; any special tools, procedures? 6000 > miles sounds like about every 2-3 months. Bummer! I understand the > desmodromic valve actuation, but if what should be a simple measure and > adjust procedure turns into what basically amounts to a mechanical juggling > act, forget it. I'll stick to the less expensive UJMs and sports bikes. > Shim-under-bucket? About an hour (assuming you have all replacement shims). > > T > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: jnewman@XXXXXX [mailto:jnewman@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2000 2:25 PM > > To: BryanRoach@XXXXXX > > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Re: comments, ducati, stuff > > > > > > Just out of curiosity, how much does a valve check or adjustment > > cost when you get the bike checked up? > > > > -John N. <---who has always drooled over a 748 > > 88 FZR 400 > > > > > > BryanRoach wrote: > > > > "I have a 900ss (the ss models use the same motor) and you only > > have to have them checked every 6000 miles now (Still more than a > > jap bike, > > but not horrible)." > > > > > > > > From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX > > Date sent: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 13:31:21 EST > > Subject: Re: comments, ducati, stuff > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > > > > > On the comments from Ryan: > > > > Good and band things said there. The comment that you're going to fall on > > your first sportbike... um, I didn't. After riding on smaller and larger > > (non-sportbike) bikes for 9 years, I bought a YZF600R in '98. At > > the time the > > bike was stolen (which sucked, I liked the bike) it had about 5k > > miles on it, > > and not a scratch. The experience of riding and learning on other > > machines > > translated just fine and I had no problems with the powerband and > > handling - > > your brain knows what to do in an emergency based on experience. > > Did I make > > some mistakes on the YZF? Yeah... wheelspin a couple times, one > > unintentional > > wheelie, etc... but the 'ol noggin knew what to do and we turned > > out AOK. > > Since then, I've moved on to racing and ride a FZR400 superbike > > in WERA/CCS. > > I blame this on Colin and McCoy :) > > > > You want to talk about powerband? my 70hp FZR has two modes... on > > and off. > > Below 10.5k rpm, NOTHING (It makes sputtering noises and about > > 30hp). Between > > 10.5k and 11.2k I get a 17hp hit... like a lightswitch, then it's > > linear up > > to 70hp at 13.5k. The powerband never gave me a problem as the brain had > > experience. (This is not to say I didn't crash this year... but > > it wasn't due > > to powerband :) ) > > > > As for the Ducati 750 monster... valve adjustments really aren't > > that bad on > > them anymore. I have a 900ss (the ss models use the same motor) > > and you only > > have to have them checked every 6000 miles now (Still more than a > > jap bike, > > but not horrible). And in regard to the Ducatis not having HP - > > correct, but > > look at the TORQUE!! You want to win stoplight races? Buy a > > Ducati. You want > > to get to that low-hp induced top end of ~130mph in a HURRY? Buy > > a Duc. You > > want to accidentally find out you can pull a wheelie in gears 1 - > > 3? You get > > the picture :) HP is not necessarily the only thing to look at on > > the spec > > sheet (Nor is the spec sheet the only thing to look at!). My only > > regret is > > NOT buying the 750ss and getting the 900ss instead (I actually > > didn't know > > much about ducatis when I got mine, and noone had the 750, ergo > > in my head it > > didn't exist). The 900 is indeed a handfull. > > > > On top of that.... they're beautiful bikes, and make such sweet sounds :) > > > > - Bri > > > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > From: Eternity23@XXXXXX > Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 16:33:22 EST > Subject: Re: Snowing??? > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Right about the time this thread was being introduced, I was attempting to > ride home from work. Living about 3 miles away from work, I didn't think it > would be too bad at the time I left. The person who was following me home, > though, disappeared, and so I turned around to find them. Back where I > started from, I attempted to shift my weight at a stop sign. Making sure > there was plenty of people around, I skillfully executed a graceful 0 mph low > side. Foot slipped. Luckily, the little plastic clutch/crankcase cover > designed to break in the even of a spill, did, and nothing else was harmed. > Got a ride home from a friend, and a price quote for a new cover from Loudoun > Motorsports. Liter class, 100hp+ sport bike, and the first time it goes down > it's not even moving. Oh well. It had to happen sometime. > > -Sean Jordan > '93 CBR1000F - Introduced to the ground for the first time today. > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 16:34:47 -0500 (EST) > From: Kirk Roy > X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX > To: dc > Subject: RE: Snowing??? > Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative > > On Tue, 18 Jan 2000, Todd Peer wrote: > > Keep away from the BDC's too. Sort of difficult with the "me strong, > > invincible" SUV crowd. Someone tell these morons that 4 wheels slide > > just fine, four-wheel drive or not. > > It's kind of fun to pass the 4WDs that have gotten themselves stuck in a > ditch or whatever while you're riding your bike. No chance for that today > as I do the first workday of each week from home. What a sucky commute! :) > > Kirk > 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://dirtrider.net/planetklx/) > 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > X-Sender: jzell@XXXXXX > Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 16:56:46 +0000 > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > From: Jeannette Zell > Subject: 12 Puppies!!! (non-moto) > > Our dog Hera had 12 puppies this morning. Of course, as Murphy's Law would > have it, she had them from around 4AM-7:15AM the first day of my new job! LOL > The puppies are all healthy and gorgeous. We thought originally she was > only having 8, then two more popped out. I went to work on no sleep and > Tom went to sleep - lucky guy - and 2 more appeared while he was sleeping! > YIKES! LOL > Anyone interested in a pup, e-mail me off-list. : ) > > Moto - I am SO GLAD I didn't ride in today! Good luck to those who did and > be careful! > > - Jeannette > '86 VFR 700 F2 > http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 16:55:57 -0500 (EST) > From: Ken Woods > To: Kirk Roy > cc: dc > Subject: RE: Snowing??? > > On Tue, 18 Jan 2000, Kirk Roy wrote: > > > It's kind of fun to pass the 4WDs that have gotten themselves stuck in > > a ditch or whatever while you're riding your bike. > > http://www.kens.com/truckpics/gwnf/KW3.jpg > > -- > Ken Woods > kwoods@XXXXXX > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > > From: "Danny Thompson" > To: , , > > Subject: Re: Re: New realm > Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 18:15:38 -0500 > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 > > After re-reading my post and some replies, I realized that the whole comment > about dragging pegs (esp. on the VFR?) might have sounded like I was > bragging or boasting, but I would like to make sure everyone knows that it > is not something I have ever done, nor do I like it on the streets. I was > actually concerned with safety and wanted to learn how I could be safer. I > would also like to point out that the place where I was riding was a local > place where there are some really great curves and I have been there many > times and know the road well. I had been up and down 2 times at a fairly > calm pace to check out the surface and refresh my memory about the corners. > I would say that at the most I was at 8/10ths here and there and mostly > 7/10ths. Thanks to everyones input, recommendations and safety concerns, It > looks like I will be needing to learn how to hang off my bike when I am at > the track. > > Danny > '99 VFR > '99 SV > Warrenton, VA From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 19 03:42:41 2000 Return-Path: mcycleracr@XXXXXX Received: from smtp.mail.yahoo.com (smtp.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.32]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id DAA03085 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 03:42:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from ts004d42.phx-az.concentric.net (HELO tra) (207.155.236.198) by smtp.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2000 00:42:34 -0800 X-Apparently-From: From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: RE: dc-cycles digest for 01/18/00 (multiple responces in one posting.. :) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 01:41:17 -0700 Message-ID: <000601bf6258$f3f11390$c6ec9bcf@tra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200001190000.TAA23316@meretrix.com> > From: "Collin T. Fagan" > Subject: Re: Comments from a "newbie" > If that means buying an 85 V500F P.O.S. > for $500 and spend $1500 ona set of nice leathers and helmet, so be > it... heh - hey Collin.. it was an 86 VF500f, and an aerostich.. :P + one exhaust canister that went a-tumbling.. :P > I've got lots of opinions so take em with a grain of salt. I am > probably the one of the fastest people you will ever meet. I'm also > one of the nicest fellas you will meet (both can be backed up by other > listers......). Whoa.. where's that humility I'm used to seeing.. must be that damn trophy you picked up the other night.. plus the new ride in yer stable. Bring it on boy, I'll whoop yer ass with my new YSR50.. Leon! Set up your circles, I need to school humble boy Fagan here.. :) > I > have never seen a highside without some injuries... (got a nice sore > neck (still) and a light concussion out of my highside in Ohio this > summer). > My 2 high-sides in T1.5 at summit don't count? Come on man, I got up and rode the bike back into the pits the 2nd time (which was by far the worst).. :P But I'm the first to admit I walked away REALLY lucky - thanks mostly to the full race gear. > (It was sooo nice in VA yesterday.... now I'm back home and it's a > regular blizzard with 6 inches on the ground and still falling hard :( > .....) Ahh.. 80 degree days, 55 degree nights.. :) I'm wearing perforated leathers.. ;) how do ya like THEM apples? *evil grin* > From: "Collin T. Fagan" > Subject: Awards and schedule > > > And of course, an even bigger thanks to my pit mates and anyone else > that took an active role making things happen. Damnit.. where's my slice of the golden pie!! I want 10% of that trophy - and you BEST have thanked your tuners mad wrenching to keep your bikes together for each race after each crash.. :P > From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX > Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 13:31:21 EST > Subject: Re: comments, ducati, stuff > I blame this on Colin and McCoy :) Guilty, as charged... > My only regret is > NOT buying the 750ss and getting the 900ss instead (I actually didn't know > much about ducatis when I got mine, and noone had the 750, ergo > in my head it > didn't exist). The 900 is indeed a handfull. Bullshit Brian.. I KNOW you want that 900... besides, I wouldn't have been as tickled for 1500+ miles on that thing if it'd been a 750.. :) To much work to wheelie a 750 in 3rd gear (heh, I tried out here with someone elses 3k mile old 99 750ss - damn, I'm a bike whore). > Isn't it more of a challenge doing 211 and the like while staying > in just one of the lanes (pick one, either one, and just stay in > that lane?) anyway? Yup.. gives some le-way.. sometimes, when I was attempting to keep Collin in sight for more than 2 corners, I'd use both lanes in the STRIGHTS, to set up for the corners (take the inside lane, more room for error). Usually I'll only change lanes if a car's in the way (or another motorcycle).. but, alas, I don't have that short strech anymore.. 3 thousand miles from me.. here, in the relitivly flat and borring desert (there are LOTS of track-days thankfully). > From: "Danny Thompson" > Subject: New realm > I have ventured into the realm of scraping pegs and have some questions. I > had not gotten enough lean angle to scrape my pegs before, but I > am now. How > do I adjust my riding to keep the pegs from taking weight and therefore > traction off of the tires. I am usually weighting the inside peg and now I > am afraid it will lever the tires of the pavement. Any > suggestions or advice > would be appreciated. As was said before this, get off the bike. Do ti on the race-track though (it's what you bought the SV for).. you'll be able to see just exactly what it takes to get off the bike (and it's MUCH more work than you could possibly think.. I had Collin, Roach and Jeff O. harping on me at Nelsons Ledges because I wasn't hanging off at all.. through 4 races and a day, I managed to get off a little, and gain confidence.) Anyway, my 'recipe' for sucess is to put the sole of my boot on the inside foot, flat agains the SIDE of the motorcycle (so the outside edge is on the foot-peg) - this forces my knee out and gets the initial weight shift, then I mentally 'push' my chin, shoulder and knee all to the same imaginary point where I'm looking/need to be in the VERY short future. I'm no Collin, but it works for me... > From: "Weaver, Chris" > Subject: RE: New realm > > Danny, > > I recall reading somewhere that it's desirable to weight the outside peg > during a turn. I don't think the reasoning was to keep the inside peg from > levering you off the road, but rather to help control the angle > and handling > of the bike. It's my assumption that it would also make the bike > more stable > as you hang off to the inside. Any lessening of the lever effect > would be a > side benefit of weighting the outside peg too. This is a second, less-accpeted train of thought. The basics behind it were to make the bike more 'stable' in a corner.. I don't use it, feels unnatural and downright frightening (I tried it for 1 lap at a track-day.. never again). I asked Steve Crevier at the same track-day, and he weights to the inside with his feet, and uses next to no pressure on the bars once turned in. > From: Todd Peer > Subject: RE: comments, ducati, stuff > > More importantly to us home-mechanics; any special tools, > procedures? 6000 > miles sounds like about every 2-3 months. Bummer! I understand the > desmodromic valve actuation, but if what should be a simple measure and > adjust procedure turns into what basically amounts to a > mechanical juggling > act, forget it. Yup, special tools (the least of your worries if you're buying a Ducati - you can buy them all for about $100, better yet - make the dealer toss them in with the bike). Beyond that, the 2 valve heads on the air-cooled bikes are really easy to adjust. I watched a guy do it from start to finsih (changing ALL the shims) in 15 minutes. Granted, he's a Ducati mechanic, and does it daily. I think shop-time on a valve adjustment is 2 hours. It's not as easy as a UJM with shim and buckets, but it's VERY close. BTW, I do valve adjustments every 4,500 miles on my 87 VFR700 - damn screw-type adjusters. Well, back to the books/notes. I have a final here in 2 days, then it's out of theory and into some hands-on stuff for the next 27 weeks. Who's going to set-up the race team for Collin to race on, and me as a mechanic for an attack on the AMA in 2001? Come on your computer geeks, you all make tons of money - lets do something Creative and Fun with all that mula!! Cheers, Brian McCoy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 19 09:28:52 2000 Return-Path: lisa@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out.kivex.com (smtp-out.kivex.com [204.177.32.18]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA08619 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 09:28:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from Kivex ([208.213.150.47]) by smtp-out.kivex.com (8.8.8/8.8.7-KIVEX) with SMTP id JAA26168 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 09:30:22 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000119093042.007c6100@kivex.com> X-Sender: lisa@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 09:30:42 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Lisa Goddard Subject: looking for Jeanette Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi, I am looking for Jeanette. My co-worker is interested in a puppy. Anybody have her new address? She can also e-mail me at lisa@XXXXXX Thanks! From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 19 11:32:26 2000 Return-Path: dhallis@XXXXXX Received: from hotmail.com (law-f224.hotmail.com [209.185.130.162]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA10985 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 11:32:24 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 14512 invoked by uid 0); 19 Jan 2000 16:31:51 -0000 Message-ID: <20000119163151.14511.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 204.193.255.42 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 08:31:51 PST X-Originating-IP: [204.193.255.42] From: "Doug Allis" To: Eternity23@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Snowing??? Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 08:31:51 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed About 5:00 yesterday my boss (also a m-biker) told me he helped someone pick up his m-bike as he tried to leave our building's parking lot. That's when I decided to take Metro and leave my PC here at Commerce. Metro sucks. I don't know how or why people put up with it every day. It took me over an hour and a half to get to Franconia-Springfield station. LLLLOOOOOONG story to say the least. Next time I try VRE. HMMM....Does anyone know where I can get studded tires for a motor cycle? ;-) >I skillfully executed a graceful 0 mph low >side. Foot slipped. Luckily, the little plastic clutch/crankcase cover >designed to break in the even of a spill, did, and nothing else was harmed. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 19 13:30:18 2000 Return-Path: mriderleon@XXXXXX Received: from web903.mail.yahoo.com (web903.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.78]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA13045 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 13:29:59 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 25342 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Jan 2000 18:29:08 -0000 Message-ID: <20000119182908.25341.qmail@web903.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.229.31.22] by web903.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 10:29:08 PST Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 10:29:08 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Snowing??? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Doug Allis wrote: > HMMM....Does anyone know where I can get studded > tires for a motor cycle? > ;-) > > Studded tires have their own set of disadvantages. On dry pavement, the screws slide much easier than rubber. About 3 years ago, during the Crotona Midnight Run, one of the studded tire guys overbraked coming up to a stoplight. He slid and fell, I helped him pick up his bike and waited while he restarted it. The restart wasn't easy, the aircooled bike was already cold, (it was about 20F) the fuel mixture was wrong because the bike had fallen over, and having only a kick-starter didn't get things cleared up very quickly. After about 10 minutes he got things going again and we left together for the rest of the ride. The tires are just ordinary knobbies with 1/2" wood screws in them. The screws are the kind with a 1/4" hex head and a flat screw driver slot. Those seem to have enough rough edges to let the screws grip the ice. It looks like a lot of work to put a screw into every knob on both the front and rear of a set of tires. Even with an extra set of wheels, studded tires don't make economic sense for me. I'll just continue to go slow in the snow. The 82d Crotona Midnight Run will start at Midnight on Saturday night Feb 19 at Nathan's in Yonkers, NY. Let me know if you're interested in riding it with me. I note that they have a 'kids' trophy this year, so at least one rider under age 40 will win a prize. No changes were made to the other 10 trophies. Leon. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 19 13:54:58 2000 Return-Path: dhallis@XXXXXX Received: from hotmail.com (law-f153.hotmail.com [209.185.131.216]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA13509 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 13:54:55 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 55483 invoked by uid 0); 19 Jan 2000 18:54:22 -0000 Message-ID: <20000119185422.55482.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 204.193.255.42 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 10:54:22 PST X-Originating-IP: [204.193.255.42] From: "Doug Allis" To: mriderleon@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Snowing??? Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 10:54:22 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed All around it sounds crazy... even for a cold weather rider like myself! > > HMMM....Does anyone know where I can get studded > > tires for a motor cycle? > > ;-) > > > > >Studded tires have their own set of disadvantages. On >dry pavement, the screws slide much easier than >rubber. About 3 years ago, during the Crotona >Midnight Run, one of the studded tire guys overbraked >coming up to a stoplight. He slid and fell, I helped >him pick up his bike and waited while he restarted it. > The restart wasn't easy, the aircooled bike was >already cold, (it was about 20F) the fuel mixture was >wrong because the bike had fallen over, and having >only a kick-starter didn't get things cleared up very >quickly. After about 10 minutes he got things going >again and we left together for the rest of the ride. > >The tires are just ordinary knobbies with 1/2" wood >screws in them. The screws are the kind with a 1/4" >hex head and a flat screw driver slot. Those seem to >have enough rough edges to let the screws grip the >ice. It looks like a lot of work to put a screw into >every knob on both the front and rear of a set of >tires. > >Even with an extra set of wheels, studded tires don't >make economic sense for me. I'll just continue to go >slow in the snow. > >The 82d Crotona Midnight Run will start at Midnight on >Saturday night Feb 19 at Nathan's in Yonkers, NY. Let >me know if you're interested in riding it with me. I >note that they have a 'kids' trophy this year, so at >least one rider under age 40 will win a prize. No >changes were made to the other 10 trophies. > >Leon. >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. >http://im.yahoo.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 19 15:22:48 2000 Return-Path: pawilson@XXXXXX Received: from mail.digizen.net (mail.digizen.net [209.194.78.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA15157 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 15:22:41 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200001192022.PAA15157@meretrix.com> Received: (qmail 21915 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2000 20:21:33 -0000 Received: from ppp2-57.digizen.net (HELO palladio) (209.194.78.57) by mail.digizen.net with SMTP; 19 Jan 2000 20:21:33 -0000 From: "Paul A. Wilson" To: Subject: Re: Snowing??? Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 15:20:26 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On a scale of one to ten, ten being absolute hell, yesterday's evening commute was about an 8.5 for my trip from Alexandria to Capitol Hill, not just the snow and ice but the gridlock in the District. There were some patches of black ice on the surface streets in Alexandria and the District, especially along Independence Ave. It seems the Dept. of Public Works forgot where they stored their rock salt. :) A lot of the cagers seem to lose their heads in such weather. C'mon people you've got _four_ wheels, what's the problem!? "Friction zone" definitely had several meanings last night. I avoid Metro like the plague; terrible delays on the Yellow Line yesterday from what I understand. Tomorrow it may be unavoidable though. I've been on the bike every work day since tropical storm Floyd in September. I hope the streak remains unbroken. Paul Wilson Washington DC ---------- > From: Doug Allis > To: Eternity23@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Snowing??? > Date: Wednesday, January 19, 2000 11:31 AM > > About 5:00 yesterday my boss (also a m-biker) told me he helped someone pick > up his m-bike as he tried to leave our building's parking lot. That's when I > decided to take Metro and leave my PC here at Commerce. Metro sucks. I don't > know how or why people put up with it every day. It took me over an hour and > a half to get to Franconia-Springfield station. LLLLOOOOOONG story to say > the least. Next time I try VRE. > > HMMM....Does anyone know where I can get studded tires for a motor cycle? > ;-) From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 19 15:30:15 2000 Return-Path: horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mail.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA15352 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 15:30:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71] by tidalwave.net (SMTPD32-5.05) id AECE1BA026C; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 15:30:06 -0500 From: "Horkster" Reply-To: "Horkster" Date: Wed, 19 Jan 100 15:30:07 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, "Doug Allis" Subject: Re: Snowing??? Message-Id: <200001191530478.SM00251@tidalwave.net> ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Doug Allis" Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 08:31:51 PST > That's when I decided to take Metro and leave my PC here at > Commerce. Yeah, Tracy came and got me in the cage last night - BugSlayer stayed nice and cozy in the parking garage. No sense risking the tupperware unnecessarily. :) > Metro sucks. Compared to what, a car? How do people ride around in those things every day? :) Looks like more snow tonight. Sigh. I've gotta get a cheap snow bike... :) Dale -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) Horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi -- From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 19 16:39:12 2000 Return-Path: kwoods@XXXXXX Received: from kens.com (kens.com [129.250.30.40]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA16499 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 16:39:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from kens.com (kens.com [129.250.30.40]) by kens.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-mod-for-majordomo) with ESMTP id QAA16822 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 16:39:12 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 16:39:12 -0500 (EST) From: Ken Woods To: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Snowing??? In-Reply-To: <20000119185422.55482.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 19 Jan 2000, Doug Allis wrote: > All around it sounds crazy (snip) Thanks for including 45 lines of text, and adding one line of (non) relevant information. -- Ken Woods kwoods@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 19 19:38:53 2000 Return-Path: jbroga@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA19590 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 19:38:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from idalee.loudoun.com (idalee.loudoun.com [208.232.169.21]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id TAA08860 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 19:29:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from default (sterling-202.cybercable.com) by idalee.loudoun.com (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1998.11.13.11.10) with SMTP id <0FOL004D7YH33N@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 19:24:40 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 19:22:11 -0500 From: JEM Broga Subject: VIR Photo To: sv650@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <000d01bf62dc$659edb20$ca2fbccc@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-Priority: 3 in best impression of Chandler from Friends, -"Oh-my-God!" http://www.virclub.com/images/dec/11.jpg Rocket engine ignition . . .check. Turbo Triple Nitrous Induction . . .check Freakin parachute . . . check Jonathan Broga JEM Racing '99 SV650X - CCS#500 Sponsored by: http://www.speed-werks.com http://www.centurypool.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 19 20:39:59 2000 Return-Path: jbroga@XXXXXX Received: from idalee.loudoun.com (idalee.loudoun.com [208.232.169.21]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA20602 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 20:39:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from default (sterling2-80.cybercable.com) by idalee.loudoun.com (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1998.11.13.11.10) with SMTP id <0FOM004BB1XHUB@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 20:39:17 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 20:36:44 -0500 From: JEM Broga Subject: Roebling Practice? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <000c01bf62e6$cf63fd60$502dbccc@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-Priority: 3 I think I remember Tight Squeeze mentioning that new racers should take advantage of Roebling's Friday practice. Is that correct - Is there an open Friday practice on Jan 28 at Roebling? If so, please let me know who'd going and info on sign up ect. Thanks. Jonathan Broga JEM Racing '99 SV650X - CCS#500 Sponsored by: http://www.speed-werks.com http://www.centurypool.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 20 00:25:51 2000 Return-Path: dynaryder@XXXXXX Received: from mailrelay1.chek.com (gutmans.chek.com [208.197.227.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA24347 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 00:25:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 3843 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2000 05:29:55 -0000 Received: from musone.chek.com (208.197.227.27) by mailrelay1.chek.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2000 05:29:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 32413 invoked by uid 65534); 20 Jan 2000 05:22:40 -0000 Date: 20 Jan 2000 05:22:40 -0000 Message-ID: <20000120052240.32412.qmail@musone.chek.com> From: "Gil Nissley" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Originating-IP: [140.185.62.14] Subject: Re: Snowing??? On Wed, 19 Jan 2000 16:39:12 -0500 (EST) Ken Woods wrote: >On Wed, 19 Jan 2000, Doug Allis wrote: >> All around it sounds crazy >(snip) >Thanks for including 45 lines of text, and adding one line of (non) >relevant information. http://slashdot.org/features/00/01/11/1121218.shtml The BuellBoy Emeritus. dynaryder@XXXXXX HSB#38D GATB#1121 <*> '98 Dyna Convertible '80 CB750F Sign up for your FREE Email at http://mail.chek.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 20 01:33:34 2000 Return-Path: kwoods@XXXXXX Received: from kens.com (kens.com [129.250.30.40]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA25447 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 01:33:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from kens.com (kens.com [129.250.30.40]) by kens.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-mod-for-majordomo) with ESMTP id BAA24390; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 01:33:27 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 01:33:26 -0500 (EST) From: Ken Woods To: Gil Nissley cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Snowing??? In-Reply-To: <20000120052240.32412.qmail@musone.chek.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 20 Jan 2000, Gil Nissley wrote: > On Wed, 19 Jan 2000 16:39:12 -0500 (EST) Ken Woods wrote: > >On Wed, 19 Jan 2000, Doug Allis wrote: > >> All around it sounds crazy > >(snip) > >Thanks for including 45 lines of text, and adding one line of (non) > >relevant information. > > http://slashdot.org/features/00/01/11/1121218.shtml "OH MY GOD IT'S ON SLASHDUD!!!" I'm an impulsive and creative jerks. And? I acutally prefer "asshole", over "jerk", and I'd tend to add ruthless, rude, and cold. The point is, for those of you that missed it, that Dougie could have easily not posted, or preferably cut out the 45 lines of text that he chose to include before saying "Me too, me too!!!" -- Ken Woods kwoods@XXXXXX "Yeah, and I'm a squid, too." From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 20 02:34:02 2000 Return-Path: v4mofo@XXXXXX Received: from c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com (c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com [24.5.28.205]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA27135 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 02:33:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from ts010d09.phx-az.concentric.net [207.155.237.213] by c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 23:33:24 -0800 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: Digests... Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 00:32:19 -0700 Message-ID: <000201bf6318$7ba7e970$d5ed9bcf@tra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal DAMN people.. not one, but 2 (TWO) of the listers included the WHOLE FREEKING last digest when replying with like 2 lines of info.. ever learn to TRIM your messages? It Really sucks when I have to wade through all that just to read posts about snow that aren't relivent to me.. :P *shaking head* what happened to the list when the 3 best posters (Anita, Collin and myself) leave.. lol.. Cheers, Brian McCoy From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 20 02:37:58 2000 Return-Path: ksenser@XXXXXX Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA27214 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 02:37:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from 216-164-128-235.s235.tnt1.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.128.235] helo=oemcomputer) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12BC9l-0007bm-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 02:37:25 -0500 Message-ID: <003b01bf6318$c5e2c000$eb80a4d8@oemcomputer> From: "Kirt S." To: References: Subject: Re: Snowing??? Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 02:34:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 I hope one day everyone gets to meet Ken. He's an asshole, but I think that's what makes him fun to hang out with. Kirt > > I acutally prefer "asshole", over "jerk", and I'd tend to add ruthless, > rude, and cold. > > The point is, for those of you that missed it, that Dougie could have > easily not posted, or preferably cut out the 45 lines of text that he > chose to include before saying "Me too, me too!!!" > > -- > Ken Woods > kwoods@XXXXXX > "Yeah, and I'm a squid, too." > > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 20 02:47:27 2000 Return-Path: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from imo-d07.mx.aol.com (imo-d07.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.39]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA27365 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 02:47:26 -0500 (EST) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo-d07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.6.) id t.c0.9a122d (3861); Thu, 20 Jan 2000 02:46:49 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 02:46:49 EST Subject: Re: Digests... To: v4mofo@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 146 so don't. :D Marcy In a message dated 1/20/00 2:38:42 AM, v4mofo@XXXXXX writes: << It Really sucks when I have to wade through all that >> From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 20 09:29:36 2000 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from PMESMTP01.wcom.com (pmesmtp01.wcom.com [199.249.20.1]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA03812 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 09:29:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com ([166.37.172.6]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42256) with ESMTP id <0FON007DB1F1Y2@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 14:25:49 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omta1.mcit.com (omta1.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id OAA12482; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 14:26:41 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.44.138.103]) by omta1.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <20000120142508.BWLF31786@toddnt>; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 08:25:08 -0600 Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 09:22:58 -0500 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: Digests... In-reply-to: <000201bf6318$7ba7e970$d5ed9bcf@tra> To: Brian McCoy , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <000201bf6351$d976de10$678a2ca6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian McCoy [mailto:v4mofo@XXXXXX] > DAMN people.. not one, but 2 (TWO) of the listers included the WHOLE > FREEKING last digest when replying with like 2 lines of info.. > ever learn > to TRIM your messages? It Really sucks when I have to wade > through all that > just to read posts about snow that aren't relivent to me.. :P > > > *shaking head* what happened to the list when the 3 best posters (Anita, > Collin and myself) leave.. lol.. > PUH-LEEZE, funny boy. Howz that tan working out. Ride any twisty on-off ramps lately :P > Cheers, > > Brian McCoy > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 20 09:39:33 2000 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from PMESMTP01.wcom.com (pmesmtp01.wcom.com [199.249.20.1]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA03812 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 09:29:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com ([166.37.172.6]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42256) with ESMTP id <0FON007DB1F1Y2@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 14:25:49 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omta1.mcit.com (omta1.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id OAA12482; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 14:26:41 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.44.138.103]) by omta1.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <20000120142508.BWLF31786@toddnt>; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 08:25:08 -0600 Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 09:22:58 -0500 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: Digests... In-reply-to: <000201bf6318$7ba7e970$d5ed9bcf@tra> To: Brian McCoy , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <000201bf6351$d976de10$678a2ca6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian McCoy [mailto:v4mofo@XXXXXX] > DAMN people.. not one, but 2 (TWO) of the listers included the WHOLE > FREEKING last digest when replying with like 2 lines of info.. > ever learn > to TRIM your messages? It Really sucks when I have to wade > through all that > just to read posts about snow that aren't relivent to me.. :P > > > *shaking head* what happened to the list when the 3 best posters (Anita, > Collin and myself) leave.. lol.. > PUH-LEEZE, funny boy. Howz that tan working out. Ride any twisty on-off ramps lately :P > Cheers, > > Brian McCoy > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 20 09:40:03 2000 Return-Path: horkster@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA00278 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 09:39:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id JAA08006 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 09:38:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71] by tidalwave.net (SMTPD32-5.05) id ADAE5C5007E; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 09:37:34 -0500 From: "Horkster" Reply-To: "Horkster" Date: Thu, 20 Jan 100 09:37:34 -0500 To: , "Brian McCoy" Subject: Re: Digests... Message-Id: <20000120093740.SM00251@tidalwave.net> ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Brian McCoy" >*shaking head* what happened to the list when the 3 best >posters (Anita,Collin and myself) leave.. lol.. The big problem is that 2 of the 3 haven't left yet! :) Just kidding, I'm glad you guys are still around, even if you aren't still around...if you know what I mean. Oh, and I miss Anita and her posts, too. Dale -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) Horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi -- From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 20 09:53:42 2000 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA00534 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 09:53:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id JAA07288 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 09:34:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from iguana (216-164-138-16.s16.tnt5.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com [216.164.138.16]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA17192 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 09:33:34 -0500 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000120093147.00a83b00@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 09:33:31 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike T Subject: Re: Snowing??? In-Reply-To: References: <20000120052240.32412.qmail@musone.chek.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed >I acutally prefer "asshole", over "jerk", and I'd tend to add ruthless, >rude, and cold. > >The point is, for those of you that missed it, that Dougie could have >easily not posted, or preferably cut out the 45 lines of text that he >chose to include before saying "Me too, me too!!!" I chose to write him off list about it. All of his posts are like that. Probably because he has a hotmail account and didn't know any better. No big deal. Now, I am stuck at home enjoying the snow. No work - but a computer is keeping me at the office..... _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 20 10:06:05 2000 Return-Path: Glenn.Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc014.hqda.pentagon.mil ([134.11.235.13]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA00811 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 10:06:04 -0500 (EST) Received: by emh1.hqda.pentagon.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 10:05:03 -0500 Message-ID: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46F03A7BBE6@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Snowing??? Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 10:05:05 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) So who was man or woman enough to ride in today? Glenn From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 20 10:12:41 2000 Return-Path: rcrishoc@XXXXXX Received: from outside (e23.nc.us.ibm.com [32.97.136.229]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA00913 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 10:12:40 -0500 (EST) From: rcrishoc@XXXXXX Received: from southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com [9.37.3.209]) by outside (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA31554; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 09:57:47 -0600 Received: from d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com (d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com [9.67.228.36]) by southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (8.8.8m2/NCO v2.06) with SMTP id KAA39092; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 10:12:13 -0500 Received: by d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 8525686C.00538016 ; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 10:12:02 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: IBMUS To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, jciemny@XXXXXX Message-ID: <8525686C.0052B69D.00@d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 10:03:20 -0500 Subject: RE: changing tread-not thread Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Jerry wrote... >>>>I just waited 3 weeks for a "special order" bolt to come in at Coleman's.<<<<< I was about to guess that you ride an old British bike, but then I noticed the "Coleman's." :P Rich '78 Triumph Bonneville '99 Enfield Bullet Sterling, VA From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 20 10:19:31 2000 Return-Path: mKitchell@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA01040 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 10:19:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com ([208.249.27.4]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id KAA11641 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 10:19:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mkitchellws2.qualitystrategies.com (208.249.27.62 [208.249.27.62]) by qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id CQC80XMQ; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 10:20:06 -0500 Message-ID: <025601bf6359$b5ba7c40$3e1bf9d0@mkitchellws2.qualitystrategies.com> Reply-To: "Mark Kitchell" From: "Mark Kitchell" To: , "Mike T" Subject: Re: Snowing??? Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 10:19:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Yeah Mike, and your boss can watch you on the Pen-Cam! mark -----Original Message----- From: Mike T To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thursday, January 20, 2000 10:16 AM Subject: Re: Snowing??? > >>I acutally prefer "asshole", over "jerk", and I'd tend to add ruthless, >>rude, and cold. >> >>The point is, for those of you that missed it, that Dougie could have >>easily not posted, or preferably cut out the 45 lines of text that he >>chose to include before saying "Me too, me too!!!" > >I chose to write him off list about it. All of his posts are like >that. Probably because he has a hotmail account and didn't know any >better. No big deal. > >Now, I am stuck at home enjoying the snow. No work - but a computer is >keeping me at the office..... > >_____________________________________ > Mike Troutman > mike@XXXXXX > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > > '97 Honda VFR 750 > From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 20 10:32:31 2000 Return-Path: horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA01323 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 10:32:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71] by tidalwave.net (SMTPD32-5.05) id AA89AF0013C; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 10:32:25 -0500 From: "Horkster" Reply-To: "Horkster" Date: Thu, 20 Jan 100 10:32:26 -0500 To: , "DC Cycles" Subject: RE: Snowing??? Message-Id: <200001201032291.SM00112@tidalwave.net> Glenn asked: >So who was man or woman enough to ride in today? Not me. Took a 4-wheeler in to work today. I'm suffering bike withdrawl already. :( Horkster From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 20 11:28:21 2000 Return-Path: dhallis@XXXXXX Received: from hotmail.com (law-f207.hotmail.com [209.185.130.117]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA02325 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 11:28:20 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 37668 invoked by uid 0); 20 Jan 2000 16:27:47 -0000 Message-ID: <20000120162747.37667.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 204.193.255.42 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 08:27:47 PST X-Originating-IP: [204.193.255.42] From: "Doug Allis" To: horkster@XXXXXX, Glenn.Dysart@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Snowing??? Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 08:27:47 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed > >So who was man or woman enough to ride in today? > Not me!!! And once again metro sucks. It took me an hour and a half to get from Springfield to Federal Triangle. I remember the ads Metro had when they opened the Franconia/Springfield metro: "33 minutes to downtown". What a joke. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 20 11:50:57 2000 Return-Path: dhallis@XXXXXX Received: from hotmail.com (law-f190.hotmail.com [209.185.130.100]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA02767 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 11:50:51 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 39813 invoked by uid 0); 20 Jan 2000 16:50:14 -0000 Message-ID: <20000120165014.39812.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 204.193.255.42 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 08:50:14 PST X-Originating-IP: [204.193.255.42] From: "Doug Allis" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Non Moto Mail Complaints / Hotmail Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 08:50:14 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I got several complaints about the message where I forwarded 45 lines of text. Sorry about that. It was stupid, duh, and I'm sorry. As for those who complained (some rudely) about Hotmail. It allows me to get mail where ever I am with one account. Anybody got any HELPFUL suggestions about something that is really better, or is this just the usual anti-Microsoft stuff? By better I mean faster, available anywhere. I don't have a POP server at work which (I've been told) limits my options. I'm open to suggestions, believe me I'm not wedded to MS Hotmail (slow at times)! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 20 12:01:40 2000 Return-Path: mriderleon@XXXXXX Received: from web905.mail.yahoo.com (web905.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.80]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA02953 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 12:01:38 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 7856 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Jan 2000 17:01:32 -0000 Message-ID: <20000120170132.7855.qmail@web905.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.229.31.22] by web905.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 09:01:32 PST Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 09:01:32 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: RE: Snowing??? To: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" , "'DC Cycles'" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I did. Roads were just wet. The only snow was in the first couple of blocks getting out of the neighborhood, after that the roads were good, there wasn't even any ice on the overpasses. Leon. --- "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" wrote: > So who was man or woman enough to ride in today? > > Glenn > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 20 12:12:02 2000 Return-Path: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (imo27.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA03128 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 12:12:01 -0500 (EST) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.6.) id 2.c9.332709 (1758) for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 12:11:21 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 12:11:21 EST Subject: Re: Snowing??? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 45 I wimped out and called in sick. My commute is an hour on a clear day with no traffic, and the neighborhoods here in Frederick haven't been plowed yet. Rob 83 Shadow 750 "Swamp Thing" From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 20 12:39:26 2000 Return-Path: twg@XXXXXX Received: from www2 (www2.sntccaidc.firstworld.net [216.127.92.130]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA03706 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 12:39:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from shell.slip.net ([207.171.193.17] helo=slip-3.slip.net) by www2 with smtp (Exim 3.12 #1) id 12BLXI-00042g-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 09:38:20 -0800 Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 09:38:46 -0800 (PST) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Snowing??? In-Reply-To: <20000120170132.7855.qmail@web905.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 20 Jan 2000, Leon Begeman wrote: > I did. Roads were just wet. The only snow was in the > first couple of blocks getting out of the > neighborhood, after that the roads were good, there > wasn't even any ice on the overpasses. > > Leon. > I don't know if I should partake in hero worship or have you committed. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 20 12:42:31 2000 Return-Path: nelson@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out.kivex.com (smtp-out.kivex.com [204.177.32.18]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA03806 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 12:42:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from pti.com (pc69.pti.com [208.213.159.69]) by smtp-out.kivex.com (8.8.8/8.8.7-KIVEX) with ESMTP id MAA27390; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 12:43:59 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3887486C.5D88140A@pti.com> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 12:39:56 -0500 From: nelson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: Snowing??? - did you ride today? References: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46F03A7BBE6@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was man (stupid) enough to ride today. It was fun for the first 5 minutes or so until the face mask fogged up enough to turn to actual water droplets and had a dooser of a time seeing the road, had to follow tail lights to keep in the lane. The decided to try the HOV lane since it was empty and found out why it was empty. Came close to dumping it trying to get back. Made it all the way into work and thought I was safe until I started down the ramp into the garage and wish I had worn skies instead of boots. Looking forward to the ride home. I'm guessing this will most likely be my last ride wail it is actually still snowing. I had to call up Chaparell (sp?) and place a $200 order just to make it up to my bike for putting it though the ringer. With any luck it will forgive me and get me home. Nelson (Dumb guy on the FZR) "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" wrote: > So who was man or woman enough to ride in today? > > Glenn From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 20 13:47:06 2000 Return-Path: garicao@XXXXXX Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (root@XXXXXX [151.200.199.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA05153 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 13:47:04 -0500 (EST) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id NAA19616; Thu, 20 Jan 1972 13:48:34 -0500 Date: Thu, 20 Jan 1972 13:48:33 -0500 (EST) From: Garcia Oliver To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: dc driver's license/dmv question Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Anyone know if DC dmv checks to see if license is suspended elsewhere (Va or Md specifically)? Catch-22 is alive and well. --garcia From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 20 13:52:42 2000 Return-Path: Glenn.Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc014.hqda.pentagon.mil ([134.11.235.13]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA05274 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 13:52:33 -0500 (EST) Received: by emh1.hqda.pentagon.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 13:51:52 -0500 Message-ID: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46F03A7BBF4@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" To: "'nelson'" , "'mriderleon@XXXXXX'" Cc: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Snowing??? - did you ride today? Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 13:51:54 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) God bless you guys. I knew somebody on this list had nads the size of watermelons. Glenn -----Original Message----- >I was man (stupid) enough to ride today. It was fun for the first 5 >minutes or so until the face mask fogged up enough to turn to actual >water droplets and had a dooser of a time seeing the road, had to follow >tail lights to keep in the lane. The decided to try the HOV lane since >it was empty and found out why it was empty. Came close to dumping it >trying to get back. Made it all the way into work and thought I was >safe until I started down the ramp into the garage and wish I had worn >skies instead of boots. >Looking forward to the ride home. I'm guessing this will most likely be >my last ride wail it is actually still snowing. I had to call up >Chaparell (sp?) and place a $200 order just to make it up to my bike for >putting it though the ringer. With any luck it will forgive me and get >me home. >Nelson (Dumb guy on the FZR) >I did. Roads were just wet. The only snow was in the >first couple of blocks getting out of the >neighborhood, after that the roads were good, there >wasn't even any ice on the overpasses. >Leon. From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 20 15:09:40 2000 Return-Path: Carl.Custer@XXXXXX Received: from dchqexs1.fsis.usda.gov (wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa [199.128.203.12] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA06775 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 15:09:34 -0500 (EST) Received: by wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 15:09:15 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCy'" Subject: Snowing??? Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 15:09:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain Leon Begeman said, "Even with an extra set of wheels, studded tires don't make economic sense for me. I'll just continue to go slow in the snow." I rode in Tuesday sneering at the prognostication of a "light dusting" followed by clearing. After all I made it home after the March 8 "light dusting". By 4: 30, K street was pretty slick but I thought that 15th street going north would be O.K as it's not shaded by buildings. Around R street, I noticed at that the dark strips were black ice so I stuck to the slush strips. The couple of <20 F nights and <30 days had thoroughly chilled the streets. So, when cages compressed that 1/2 inch of snow, it turned into an ice glaze. Knowing that Connecticut would be worse, after eleven blocks of fun, good sense overwhelmed my bravado and I wheeled the bike into a friendly Mobile station. Got to enjoy the Yellow line stoppage, then walk home from Metro because busses couldn't get through the traffic. Two miles hiking in a 'Stich wasn't too bad. Fetched the bike on Wednesday. Carl in Bethesda '85 VF 700 Sabre From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 20 15:10:36 2000 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA06799 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 15:10:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-190.patriot.net [209.249.180.190]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA04977; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 15:10:15 -0500 Message-ID: <38876955.2F318BEB@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 15:00:21 -0500 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" CC: "'nelson'" , "'mriderleon@XXXXXX'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: Snowing??? - did you ride today? References: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46F03A7BBF4@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit And a brain the size of a pea??? Bill > God bless you guys. I knew somebody on this list had nads the size of > watermelons. > > Glenn From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 20 15:21:26 2000 Return-Path: peggrinder@XXXXXX Received: from netgate.anent.com (netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA07019 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 15:21:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from rr (user176.anent.com [208.195.115.176]) by netgate.anent.com (Build 98 8.9.3/NT-8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA21376 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 15:21:23 -0500 Message-ID: <00ba01bf6384$6cc2c580$b073c3d0@rr> From: "peggrinder" To: References: <002901bf613a$c4001380$df2fbccc@default> Subject: Leathers and boots for sale... Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 15:24:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 AGV SPORT ...1 piece leathers with matching boots.... suit is white/blue with black....size 54 boots are blue and green...size 10-11 Suit and boots have never been down, right boot has scuffing on the ankle slider.. $300......takes then both... From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 20 15:33:48 2000 Return-Path: twg@XXXXXX Received: from nfeed1 (nfeed1.sntccaidc.firstworld.net [216.127.92.117]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA07242 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 15:33:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from shell.slip.net ([207.171.193.17] helo=slip-3.slip.net) by nfeed1 with smtp (Exim 3.12 #1) id 12BOGo-0005K4-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 12:33:30 -0800 Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 12:33:08 -0800 (PST) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Snowing??? - did you ride today? In-Reply-To: <38876955.2F318BEB@patriot.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sounds like someones got watermelon envy. On Thu, 20 Jan 2000, Bill Huson wrote: > > And a brain the size of a pea??? > > Bill > > > God bless you guys. I knew somebody on this list had nads the size of > > watermelons. > > > > Glenn > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 20 15:38:48 2000 Return-Path: mriderleon@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA07358 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 15:38:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from web902.mail.yahoo.com (web902.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.77]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id PAA16674 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 15:21:20 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 8592 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Jan 2000 20:19:04 -0000 Message-ID: <20000120201904.8591.qmail@web902.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.229.31.23] by web902.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 12:19:04 PST Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 12:19:04 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Snowing??? - did you ride today? To: nelson , "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" , "'DC Cycles'" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Don't do that, NEVER let the bike see you feel sorry for it, it'll wimp out on you if you do that. You've got to let it know that you're in charge, not it. Make it respect and server you. :-) :-) Leon. --- nelson wrote: > I had to call up > Chaparell (sp?) and place a $200 order just to make > it up to my bike for > putting it though the ringer. With any luck it will > forgive me and get > me home. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 20 16:54:35 2000 Return-Path: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA08828 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 16:54:33 -0500 (EST) From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from 207-172-119-242.s242.tnt2.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.119.242]) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12BPWh-00036s-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 16:54:00 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: motorcycle links Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 00:48:47 GMT Message-ID: <36a63f30.725147647@mail.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have put together a webpage with misc motorcycle links including: the msf website the honda riders club with the $75 discount for the msf course about 6 places to shop for bikes online links to search ebay for riding gear=20 2 links to shop for used leather online a link to search deja news for motorcycle information a link to do a parts price quote request at bike yards all around a classifieds link and a couple of more links.. check it out.. share it with friends, book mark it, link to it, whatever but enjoy it :) Daniel http://www.mtownmob.com/_ITM/mc/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 20 17:01:02 2000 Return-Path: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA08992 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 17:01:00 -0500 (EST) From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from 207-172-119-242.s242.tnt2.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.119.242]) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12BPct-0004Mv-00; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 17:00:25 -0500 To: "Horkster" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, "Doug Allis" Subject: Re: Snowing??? Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 00:55:10 GMT Message-ID: <36a77aca.740407941@smtp.erols.com> References: <200001191530478.SM00251@tidalwave.net> In-Reply-To: <200001191530478.SM00251@tidalwave.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, 19 Jan 100 15:30:07 -0500, you wrote: |>Looks like more snow tonight. Sigh. I've gotta get a cheap |>snow bike... :) Get a four wheeler :) I never liked them..but now.. they seem like they have promise :) |>Dale |>-- |>Dale Horstman (The Horkster)=20 |>Horkster@XXXXXX=20 |>Dale City, VA, USA, Earth=20 |> |>1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer =20 |>1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi=20 From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 20 17:04:33 2000 Return-Path: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA09022 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 17:04:32 -0500 (EST) From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from 207-172-119-242.s242.tnt2.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.119.242]) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12BPgK-000524-00; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 17:03:56 -0500 To: Leon Begeman Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Snowing??? Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 00:58:42 GMT Message-ID: <36a87b8c.740601661@smtp.erols.com> References: <20000119182908.25341.qmail@web903.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20000119182908.25341.qmail@web903.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, 19 Jan 2000 10:29:08 -0800 (PST), you wrote: |>make economic sense for me. I'll just continue to go |>slow in the snow. |> |>The 82d Crotona Midnight Run will start at Midnight on |>Saturday night Feb 19 at Nathan's in Yonkers, NY. Let |>me know if you're interested in riding it with me. I |>note that they have a 'kids' trophy this year, so at |>least one rider under age 40 will win a prize. No |>changes were made to the other 10 trophies. |> |>Leon. Hmm I could use a trophy and a trip to NY.. I wonder what the weather will be like in mid febuary... daniel From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 20 17:15:53 2000 Return-Path: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA09261 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 17:15:51 -0500 (EST) From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from 207-172-119-242.s242.tnt2.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.119.242]) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12BPrD-0007CN-00; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 17:15:11 -0500 To: "jay.stpeter@XXXXXX" Cc: "'v4mofo@XXXXXX'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: newbie on a liter bike? Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 01:09:54 GMT Message-ID: <36a97df4.741217556@smtp.erols.com> References: <01BF5E0F.8FBCD1E0.jay.stpeter@ravinc.com> In-Reply-To: <01BF5E0F.8FBCD1E0.jay.stpeter@ravinc.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 13 Jan 2000 21:45:10 -0500, you wrote: |>I think that sales people should feel moraly obligated to TRY and sell=20 |>newbies lesser bikes, but if the guy specifically says he wants to do=20 |>monster wheelies...can't think of much better than a TL. |> |>Jay St. Peter Nothing would give me teh gigles more than a darwinism and a families lawsuit against the sales guy and dealership:) Just kidding i don't need that on my karma! Daniel 1992 ex250 1995 zx6r http://208.225.120.187/_ITM/mc/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 20 17:39:58 2000 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA09694 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 17:39:57 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 17:39:54 -0500 Message-Id: <200001201739.AA11469188@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: "'DCCy'" Subject: Re: Snowing??? X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Custer, Carl" >I rode in Tuesday sneering at the prognostication of a "light dusting" >followed by clearing... Knowing that Connecticut would be worse, after eleven blocks of fun, >good sense overwhelmed my bravado and I wheeled the bike into a friendly >Mobile station. >Got to enjoy the Yellow line stoppage, then walk home from Metro Me, too. A little snow is okay, even fun. Ice on city streets with cagers in their 'be stupid' mode was too much for me. I left the bike parked and Metro'd home. I noticed I-66 looked fine, but it looked too hard to get to. I stayed home Thursday, but plan to ride in tomorrow. Wondering if it'll all be iced over by the morning, though! Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 20 17:57:38 2000 Return-Path: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA10047 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 17:57:37 -0500 (EST) From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from 207-172-119-242.s242.tnt2.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.119.242]) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12BQVi-0007R9-00; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 17:57:02 -0500 To: "Louis F. Caplan" Cc: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Looking for range aids Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 01:51:38 GMT Message-ID: <36af87ad.743707236@smtp.erols.com> References: <20000118011248.20299.qmail@web303.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20000118011248.20299.qmail@web303.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Enticing.. but the only problem is that when the weather is good enough for students to ride.. it's good enough for me to ride! tough choice... Daniel 1992 ex250 1995 zx6r http://208.225.120.187/_ITM/mc/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 20 19:02:22 2000 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA11222 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 19:02:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-190.patriot.net [209.249.180.190]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA03905; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 19:02:12 -0500 Message-ID: <38879FB2.2F03720A@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 18:52:18 -0500 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Hugh Caldwell CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Snowing??? - did you ride today? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Not in the least. When I was young and invincable, I rode all year around. I recall laughing like the maniac I was while knocking the freezing rain off the saddle and controls so I could ride home. One night cop stopped me, in the snow. He did the lic ® deal, and proceeded to put me thru the drunk test drills, then he gave my stuff back and sez have a safe trip. I ask "Why'd you stop me?" Sez he, I wanted to see if you were drunk or crazy. You're not drunk - ba-da-boom! I decided to save my cajones for something important. Like how can the babes enjoy a watermelon feast if you're a smear on the highway? Bill Hugh Caldwell wrote: > Sounds like someones got watermelon envy. > > On Thu, 20 Jan 2000, Bill Huson wrote: > > > > > And a brain the size of a pea??? > > > > Bill > > > > > God bless you guys. I knew somebody on this list had nads the size of > > > watermelons. > > > > > > Glenn > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI > ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 21 09:59:48 2000 Return-Path: Viteri_Ursulina/om40@XXXXXX Received: from bastion4.mail.sprint.com (bastion4.mail.sprint.com [208.4.28.132]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA27492 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2000 09:59:46 -0500 (EST) From: Viteri_Ursulina/om40@XXXXXX Received: from sii01.mail.sprint.com by bastion4.mail.sprint.com with ESMTP for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 21 Jan 2000 08:59:01 -0600 Received: from [144.223.128.84] by sii01.mail.sprint.com with ESMTP; Fri, 21 Jan 2000 08:58:47 -0600 Received: from reopmp01.corp.sprint.com (root@reopmp01a [192.168.18.144]) by kcopmh01.corp.sprint.com (8.8.6 (PHNE_17190)/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA22011 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2000 08:58:46 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by reopmp01.corp.sprint.com (8.8.6 (PHNE_14041)/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA17385 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2000 09:58:45 -0500 (EST) X-OpenMail-Hops: 1 Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 09:58:44 -0500 Message-Id: Subject: Heading to NY for the bike show? Midtown sights not to miss TO: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="openmail-part-110f177d-00000001" --openmail-part-110f177d-00000001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="BDY.RTF" If you're heading to NY for the bike show and plan to do some sightseeing in Midtown, The Washington Post just put out an interesting article you may want to check out. http://search.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WPlate/2000-01/19/166l-011900-id x.html Ursulina 1988 Kawasaki 454 LTD --openmail-part-110f177d-00000001-- From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 21 14:11:46 2000 Return-Path: nighthawk700@XXXXXX Received: from web305.mail.yahoo.com (web305.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA02368 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2000 14:11:44 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 18183 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Jan 2000 19:11:40 -0000 Message-ID: <20000121191140.18182.qmail@web305.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [164.117.17.73] by web305.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 21 Jan 2000 11:11:40 PST Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 11:11:40 -0800 (PST) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: RE: Looking for range aides - Correction To: DC-Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Looks like there is a difference in the amount of pay at Loudoun. Sorry for any confusion. Louis > Hi Louis - > > Thanks for spreading the word about the need for range-aides, just a > correction to add - at loudoun the full class pay is $100 - $78 is correct > for half classes -thanks again > > Claire > Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 17:12:48 -0800 (PST) > From: "Louis F. Caplan" > Subject: Looking for range aides > To: DC-Cycles > > In March the MSF Motorcycle courses will begin again at the Alexandria and > Loudoun campuses of the Northern Virginia Community College. Both campuses > currently have a shortage of range aids. Range aids are the people who help > us keep things moving by setting up and clearing off the cones between > exercises, filling the bikes with gas after the course, and possibly some > other things depending on the course needs. > > These aren't just volunteers, during a full class (24 students) the > pay is $156 for the weekend (Saturday & Sunday), and during a half class > (12 students), it is $78. (Half classes are typically in July and August) > > At the Loudoun campus, range aids are also paid $40 for an ERC > (Sunday afternoon, held infrequently, would probably get about a week's > notice) Courses in Alexandria run through mid-November, courses in Loudoun > run until early December. > > If you are interested in being a range aid, the people to contact > are: NVCC Alexandria: Louie Kyler, 703-845-6110, lkyler@XXXXXX > > NVCC Loudoun: Claire Wynne (nvwynnc@XXXXXX) or David Hepburn > (dhepburn@XXXXXX) 703-450-2551 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 21 18:39:55 2000 Return-Path: James.Hoofnagle@XXXXXX Received: from ln01.spg.va.corp.rcn.net (ln01.spg.va.corp.rcn.net [207.172.5.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA07448 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2000 18:39:54 -0500 (EST) From: James.Hoofnagle@XXXXXX Subject: New Address To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 18:46:17 -0500 Message-ID: X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on LN01.Spg.Va/RCN(Release 5.0.2 |November 4, 1999) at 01/21/2000 06:46:23 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii To the Human, Please change the address to which you send my digested DC Cycles postings. My old address was Culimerc@XXXXXX my new address is culimerc@XXXXXX Thanks, James From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 23 21:46:18 2000 Return-Path: zellto@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.157]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA29510 for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2000 21:46:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from titanpro (adsl-151-200-16-190.bellatlantic.net [151.200.16.190]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA17582 for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2000 21:46:08 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <000a01bf6614$e409f4a0$0200a8c0@titanpro> From: "Thomas and Jeannette" To: "'DC Cycles'" References: <20000120170132.7855.qmail@web905.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Reminder - Superbowl Party This Weekend! Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 21:44:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Just a reminder, Thomas & I will be throwing our 2nd annual DC Cycles Superbowl party this Sunday, starting at 4PM. We're starting early so everyone can eat and talk before the game. : ) Even if you don't like football, come on over, I probably won't even watch the game. ; ) Our address once again is: 1220 S. Columbus St. Arlington, VA 22204 Directions: Points North & West: Take 495 South to Route 50 East to the exit for South George Mason Drive. Make a right at the top of the ramp to go Southbound on George Mason. At the 5th light make a right onto S. Columbus St. and our house is first on the left with the big porch and blue shutters. If it's dark, our Christmas lights are still up, as well. Blue Pontiac in the driveway. Points South & East: Take I 95 to I 395 North to Kings Street/Route 7 exit going Westbound. Follow past McDonald's on left, make a right at the next light at South George Mason. Follow to 2nd light and make a left onto South Columbus St. Description of house above. This will be a potluck party, so anything you can bring will be welcome! There will be some beer, soda & munchies. Hope to see everyone there! : ) - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 24 12:09:57 2000 Return-Path: horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA14764 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 12:09:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71] by tidalwave.net (SMTPD32-5.05) id A6604500FE; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 12:05:36 -0500 From: "Horkster" Reply-To: "Horkster" Date: Mon, 24 Jan 100 12:05:37 -0500 To: "'DC Cycles'" , "Thomas and Jeannette" Subject: Re: Reminder - Superbowl Party This Weekend! Message-Id: <200001241205538.SM00276@tidalwave.net> ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Thomas and Jeannette" Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 21:44:09 -0500 >Just a reminder, Thomas & I will be throwing our 2nd annual DC >Cycles Superbowl party this Sunday, starting at 4PM. Jeannette & Tom, Thanks for the invite, but I think I'm gonna pass this year. After watching that obviously blown call against Tampa Bay yesterday - I think I'm gonna be boycotting the Super Bowl this year. This coming from a lifetime long football fanatic. That call made me sick. Either it was fixed, or the refs were trying to undermine instant replay, or something. Go Titans. For once, a Steeler fan will be rooting for you. Anybody up for a nice long ride next Sunday, starting at, say, 6:18 pm or so? :) Horkster, disillusioned fan and angry biker -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) Horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi -- From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 24 12:16:56 2000 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA14991 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 12:16:55 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 12:16:47 -0500 Message-Id: <200001241216.AA62980550@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: "List-dc cycles" Subject: You know you're a winter rider when ... X-Mailer: You know you're a winter rider when ... the thermometer says 28 deg. F and you think "Wow! It's warmed up. I won't have to wear all my warm clothes!" Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 24 12:27:59 2000 Return-Path: Glenn.Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc014.hqda.pentagon.mil ([134.11.235.13]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA15184 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 12:27:53 -0500 (EST) Received: by emh1.hqda.pentagon.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 12:27:18 -0500 Message-ID: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46F03A7BC6A@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" To: "'Horkster'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Reminder - Superbowl Party This Weekend! Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 12:27:17 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Horkster, you can always do what I did last year which is socialize instead of watching some stinking football game. Glenn -----Original Message----- >Thanks for the invite, but I think I'm gonna pass this year. >After watching that obviously blown call against Tampa Bay >yesterday - I think I'm gonna be boycotting the Super Bowl >this year. From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 24 12:31:41 2000 Return-Path: ksenser@XXXXXX Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA15268 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 12:31:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from techsup-gw.spg.va.rcn.net ([207.172.7.13] helo=wsdellu9wly) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12CnKW-0001Rn-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 12:31:08 -0500 Message-ID: <06be01bf6690$32cad2a0$bb5e800a@wsdellu9wly.spg.va.corp.rcn.net> From: "Kirt S." To: Subject: Re: You know you're a winter rider when ... Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 12:26:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Bingo...I'm going riding after work...this time for enjoyment. Kirt 99 F4 -----Original Message----- From: Chris Norloff To: List-dc cycles > Date: Monday, January 24, 2000 12:21 PM Subject: You know you're a winter rider when ... >You know you're a winter rider when ... > >the thermometer says 28 deg. F and you think "Wow! It's warmed up. I won't have to wear all my warm clothes!" > >Chris Norloff > > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 24 12:38:44 2000 Return-Path: ksenser@XXXXXX Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA15379 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 12:38:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from techsup-gw.spg.va.rcn.net ([207.172.7.13] helo=wsdellu9wly) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12CnRL-0002Mw-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 12:38:11 -0500 Message-ID: <06c301bf6691$2ee69e20$bb5e800a@wsdellu9wly.spg.va.corp.rcn.net> From: "Kirt S." To: Subject: Re: Reminder - Superbowl Party This Weekend! Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 12:33:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 I'm actually really tempted to show up. It's funny, after being on the list for several months, you can sort of identify with who is who, and how they might respond to certain posts. Like who's gonna respond to the gun thread, or the oil thread, or whatever. I'd like to come out and meet everyone. Hopefully the weather will be good next Sunday, and I'll get off work at a reasonable time. While cleaning out my e-mail, I think I deleted alot of the previous posts concerning the party. Like what to bring, how to get there, etc. If someone would be so kind as to let me know again... Kirt 99 F4 -----Original Message----- From: Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM To: 'Horkster' ; 'DC Cycles' Date: Monday, January 24, 2000 12:32 PM Subject: RE: Reminder - Superbowl Party This Weekend! >Horkster, you can always do what I did last year which is socialize instead >of watching some stinking football game. > >Glenn > >-----Original Message----- > >>Thanks for the invite, but I think I'm gonna pass this year. >>After watching that obviously blown call against Tampa Bay >>yesterday - I think I'm gonna be boycotting the Super Bowl >>this year. > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 24 12:47:00 2000 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA15558 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 12:46:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA11517 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 12:46:26 -0500 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000124124439.00bd9490@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 12:46:24 -0500 To: From: Troutman Subject: RE: Reminder - Superbowl Party This Weekend! In-Reply-To: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46F03A7BC6A@dadc040.hqda.pent agon.mil> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > >Thanks for the invite, but I think I'm gonna pass this year. > >After watching that obviously blown call against Tampa Bay > >yesterday - I think I'm gonna be boycotting the Super Bowl > >this year. I'd love to come this year - since I missed the party last year, but I'm actually going to the game. Well - I'll be in Atlanta TRYING to get into the game anyway. No - I'm not riding down there. But I am taking the bike to Tennessee before meeting up with an RV and a keg. Go Titans ;-) ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 Eat right. Stay fit. Die anyway. From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 24 13:58:04 2000 Return-Path: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Received: from imo-d09.mx.aol.com (imo-d09.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA16758 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 13:58:00 -0500 (EST) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-d09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.6.) id 2.3f.136d01 (3971) for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 13:57:24 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3f.136d01.25bdfa94@aol.com> Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 13:57:24 EST Subject: Re: Reminder - Superbowl Party This Weekend! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 20 In a message dated 1/24/00 12:15:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, horkster@XXXXXX writes: > After watching that obviously blown call against Tampa Bay > yesterday - I think I'm gonna be boycotting the Super Bowl > this year. > > This coming from a lifetime long football fanatic. That call > made me sick. Either it was fixed, or the refs were trying > to undermine instant replay, or something. I'm glad someone else feels this way! I cannot understand that call. Period. The ref gets the same replay as we see on TV, and I don't understand what the guy had to do beyond what he did for it to be "complete"!! I guess catching the ball with both hands and having control before you hit the ground just doesn't count anymore. - Bri From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 24 14:55:27 2000 Return-Path: horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA17707 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 14:55:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71] by tidalwave.net (SMTPD32-5.05) id AE2B14800E0; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 14:55:23 -0500 From: "Horkster" Reply-To: "Horkster" Date: Mon, 24 Jan 100 14:55:23 -0500 To: BryanRoach@XXXXXX CC: "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: Reminder - Superbowl Party This Weekend! Message-Id: <200001241455576.SM00347@tidalwave.net> ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX >I'm glad someone else feels this way! I cannot understand that call. > I guess catching the ball with both hands and having control >before you hit the ground just doesn't count anymore. My apologies for the off topic post, but I just have to rant some more. Delete now if you are not interested in NFL conspiracies. :) Bryan, Did you also happen to notice how sloppy that Ricky Proehl TD catch was? Even the pics in the papers have him bobbling the ball in his arms (not his hands) as he went down. He didn't have control, but no one even blinked. Of course it was a TD - this was the mighty StLouis darling Rams, who scored oh-so-many TDs this year. I just hope Paul Tagliaboob and the NFL is happy that they have a potent, high-scoring, flashy offensive team in the Superbowl this year, with a nice-looking, marketable young QB (and why the hell is his freaky butch-haircut wife always on TV during the games? I'm tired of her already....) In Tagliaboob's mind, a strong defensive team like Tampa Bay would be a ratings disaster if it made it to THE SHOW and shut down the opposing team. Screw the fans who actually appreciate a great defense, the StuporBowl has got to have SCORING!!! A 7-3 ballgame would just be a ratings nightmare in their eyes (not mine, I was caught up by the gripping NFC championship game until the last 40 seconds or so, when the officials stepped in and destroyed the game. Kudos to TB coach Tony Dungy, he handled that ridiculous call much better than I would have (I'd have refused to have my team take the field). But then again, Dungy got slapped down by the NFL earlier this year for making some (somewhat correct) negative remarks about the officiating in the league. Yes, I know the call didn't directly influence the game, but a 3rd and 10 is a whole lot easier to convert than a 3rd and 23. Maybe the league was afraid that a predominantly defensive team like Tampa Bay that held the league's most potent offense to an realistic 3 points would result in a dull SuperBowl game? - (in my opinion, it would be quite the contrary). Maybe the league was afraid that having two teams in the SuperBowl with black starting QBs (and one black head coach) would turn off too many of the country's white viewership? Maybe the league was pressured by massive Las Vegas bettors who were worried about losing their shirts on a "sure thing" like St. Louis in the SB? Anyway, I was sickened by the game. Go Titans. Shut out the Rams and kick a field goal to win 3-0. Rant mode finished. Sorry for the waste of bandwidth. Horkster From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 24 15:01:06 2000 Return-Path: horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA17860 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 15:01:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71] by tidalwave.net (SMTPD32-5.05) id AF6A4D20118; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 15:00:42 -0500 From: "Horkster" Reply-To: "Horkster" Date: Mon, 24 Jan 100 15:00:42 -0500 To: CC: "DC Cycles" Subject: RE: Reminder - Superbowl Party This Weekend! Message-Id: <200001241500568.SM00347@tidalwave.net> ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 12:27:17 -0500 >Horkster, you can always do what I did last year which is socialize >instead of watching some stinking football game. Actually, we'll probably go visit my folks in Pennsylvania this weekend. We were supposed to go last weekend, but I cancelled the trip because of ALL THE SNOW we were forecast to receive over the weekend. The weatherguessers strike again. I figure if I leave Mercer, PA late Sunday afternoon, we'll probably have light traffic the whole way home. Unless y'all boycott the Stuporbowl too. :) Have a good party - maybe next time. Horkster -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) Horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi -- From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 24 15:20:46 2000 Return-Path: pawilson@XXXXXX Received: from mail.digizen.net (mail.digizen.net [209.194.78.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA18252 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 15:20:44 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200001242020.PAA18252@meretrix.com> Received: (qmail 29296 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2000 20:20:28 -0000 Received: from ppp3-139.digizen.net (HELO palladio) (209.194.78.139) by mail.digizen.net with SMTP; 24 Jan 2000 20:20:28 -0000 From: "Paul A. Wilson" To: Subject: Re: dc driver's license/dmv question Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 15:16:42 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit They'll ask on the application form is you've ever been revoked or suspended. If you answer "no" and they check you will be in hot water. Read the fine print on the form that says your signature indicates truthful responses. Also, if the DWV doesn't get you your insurance company just might. Better to play it straight on this one and not rely on bureaucratic incompetence. DC DMV is not as clueless as it appears. Paul Wilson Washington DC ---------- > From: Garcia Oliver > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: dc driver's license/dmv question > Date: Thursday, January 20, 1972 1:48 PM > > Anyone know if DC dmv checks to see if license is suspended elsewhere > (Va or Md specifically)? > > Catch-22 is alive and well. > > --garcia From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 24 22:03:20 2000 Return-Path: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA25241 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 22:03:19 -0500 (EST) From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Received: from 207-172-53-184.s184.tnt4.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.53.184]) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12CwFg-0001Q5-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 22:02:45 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: billy joels enfield Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 06:02:53 GMT Message-ID: <388d3c55.298484224@smtp.erols.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable http://auctions.excite.com/Scripts/ListingInfo.asp?LotNo=3D7355684 I clicked on excite auctions to see if they have any bike related stuff and what do i see on the main page, a motorcycle hehe. From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 25 08:15:19 2000 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA07211 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 08:15:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA24295 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 08:15:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA11448 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 08:15:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from 207-172-41-116.s116.tnt10.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.41.116] helo=ursulina) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12D5oL-00066o-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 08:15:10 -0500 Message-ID: <001f01bf674e$f1e3a040$7429accf@ursulina> From: "Ursulina Viteri" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: FOR SALE: 1973 Honda CB 750 Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 08:12:14 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 FOR SALE BY OWNER 1973 Honda CB 750 Original exhaust, seat, tank decals. Burgundy repaint. New tires, chain, battery, recent tune up and service. Mechanic owned and serviced. 57,000 miles. Very dependable, good looking original 750. Must go: $1,450. Randy Creel: cell w/voice mail 703-508-5768 (I've seen the bike and it's in very good shape - very clean - well taken care of.) - - Ursulina 1988 Kawasaki 454 LTD From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 25 08:24:47 2000 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA07341 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 08:24:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA24327 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 08:24:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA11556 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 08:24:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from 207-172-41-116.s116.tnt10.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.41.116] helo=ursulina) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12D5xV-0007XW-00; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 08:24:38 -0500 Message-ID: <002301bf6750$445db620$7429accf@ursulina> From: "Ursulina Viteri" To: "DC Cycles" Cc: "Sprint" Subject: FOR SALE: 1972 Kawasaki H2 750 cc Triple Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 08:21:42 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 FOR SALE BY OWNER 1972 Kawasaki H2 750 cc Triple: Stored since 1992. New Metzelers tires, top end job in '92. Original blue paint and pipes. Looks good. 14,000 original miles. For sale as is (not running): $1,200. For sale in running condition: $1,600. Call Randy Creel: cell w/voice mail: 703-508-5786 (I haven't seen this bike. But since Randy, a car and bike mechanic is the owner, I'm sure it's in great shape and is a nice bike. It's just "make room in the garage" time.) - - Ursulina 1988 Kawasaki 454 LTD From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 25 08:44:05 2000 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA07688 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 08:44:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA24392 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 08:44:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA11861 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 08:44:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from 207-172-41-116.s116.tnt10.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.41.116] helo=ursulina) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12D6GC-0002ve-00; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 08:43:56 -0500 Message-ID: <002801bf6752$f6d9a0a0$7429accf@ursulina> From: "Ursulina Viteri" To: "DC Cycles" Cc: "Sprint" Subject: FOR SALE: Two 1978 Yamaha 650 twins Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 08:41:00 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 FOR SALE BY OWNER - fixer-upper/parts bike combo Bike 1: 1978 Yamaha 650 cc Twin w/ 3,700 original miles. Running on only one cylinder. Clear title, looks excellent 'cause garage kept. Needs work. Bike 2: 1980 Yamaha 650 cc Twin - Parts bike. Runs, has keys but NO title. BOTH BIKES: $425 Call Randy Creel: cell w/voice mail: 703-508-5786 - - Ursulina 1988 Kawasaki 454 LTD From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 25 09:52:35 2000 Return-Path: nsuesse@XXXXXX Received: from mail.greypilgrim.com ([209.8.223.251]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA08809 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 09:52:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.83] ([192.168.1.83]) by mail.greypilgrim.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id JAA27773 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 09:47:51 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nsuesse@XXXXXX Message-Id: Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 09:52:18 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Ned Suesse Subject: Anyone two wheel it today? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Hey all, Anyone two wheel it today? I did- but it was the pedal powered kind. Mountain bikes with fat knobbies work great in snow, and allow me to steer clear of roads and their lunacy... And it was fun as hell!! That snow was slicker than snot- I come from snow country (upstate NY) and I have almost never seen snow that wet and dense. Ned From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 25 10:16:17 2000 Return-Path: jnewman@XXXXXX Received: from bmdo.mcri.com (root@XXXXXX [208.36.117.170]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA09225 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 10:16:16 -0500 (EST) From: jnewman@XXXXXX Received: from jnewman ([192.168.13.162]) by bmdo.mcri.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA15005 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 10:20:07 -0500 Message-Id: <200001251520.KAA15005@bmdo.mcri.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 10:16:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Anyone ride today? Reply-to: jnewman@XXXXXX Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12b) If someone rode their bike in to work today I am personally going to give you a medal.... No two-wheeled riding for me today, However I could not think of a better day to take a spin on the Three Wheeler! Can someone say Doughnuts galore? Have a warm one, -John Newman 88 FZR 400 83 ATC 110 From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 25 12:11:21 2000 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA11061 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 12:11:20 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 12:11:17 -0500 Message-Id: <200001251211.AA1049068@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: "List-dc cycles" Subject: 1999 Krystall Rally X-Mailer: The 1999 Krystall Rally, held every winter in Norway. http://www.mgnoc.com/david_smith_8-99.htm Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 25 12:19:20 2000 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA11219 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 12:19:19 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 12:19:16 -0500 Message-Id: <200001251219.AA13894010@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: , Ned Suesse Subject: Re: Anyone two wheel it today? X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Ned Suesse >Anyone two wheel it today? > >I did- but it was the pedal powered kind. Mountain bikes with fat >knobbies work great in snow, and allow me to steer clear of roads and >their lunacy... And it was fun as hell!! That snow was slicker than >snot- I come from snow country (upstate NY) and I have almost never >seen snow that wet and dense. Not me, but I might take the three-wheeler out later. :-) -- Chris Norloff, Virginia recovering BMW owner '92 Honda ST1100 ABS STOC #1290 '90 Honda Pacific Coast '81 Honda CB750F with Jupiter sidecar -- From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 25 14:03:38 2000 Return-Path: v4mofo@XXXXXX Received: from c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com (c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com [24.5.28.205]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA13024 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 14:03:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from ts012d45.phx-az.concentric.net [207.155.238.105] by c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 11:03:24 -0800 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: So.. who's riding today? Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 12:01:48 -0700 Message-ID: <000201bf6766$a15d88d0$69ee9bcf@tra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal lmfao.. just read the weather for you guys out there... lol. Tell ya what, I know of some empty apartments out here in Phoenix, where it doesn't drop below 50 for more than a handfull of nights all year.. :) lol... I love kickin back in this gorgous weather.. :) Brian (Bite me Sun Boy) McCoy... lmao From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 25 14:13:35 2000 Return-Path: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from imo-d10.mx (imo-d10.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA13200 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 14:13:33 -0500 (EST) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo-d10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.6.) id t.c1.9b194d (9624); Tue, 25 Jan 2000 14:12:53 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 14:12:53 EST Subject: Re: So.. who's riding today? To: v4mofo@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 45 Hey Brian, can ya check around at the airport and see if any companies out there need A&P mechanics? The snow crap is really gettin on my nerves! Rob VanSlyke 83 Shadow 750 "Swamp Thing" From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 25 14:29:32 2000 Return-Path: kwoods@XXXXXX Received: from kens.com (kens.com [129.250.30.40]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA13496 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 14:29:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from kens.com (kens.com [129.250.30.40]) by kens.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-mod-for-majordomo) with ESMTP id OAA00372; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 14:29:28 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 14:29:28 -0500 (EST) From: Ken Woods To: Ned Suesse cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Anyone two wheel it today? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I've been plowing snow on a Bobcat all morning. Several times I had it up on two wheels. Does that count? On Tue, 25 Jan 2000, Ned Suesse wrote: > Hey all, > > Anyone two wheel it today? > > I did- but it was the pedal powered kind. Mountain bikes with fat > knobbies work great in snow, and allow me to steer clear of roads and > their lunacy... And it was fun as hell!! That snow was slicker than > snot- I come from snow country (upstate NY) and I have almost never > seen snow that wet and dense. > > Ned > -- Ken Woods kwoods@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 25 15:14:29 2000 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA14352 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 15:14:28 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 15:14:25 -0500 Message-Id: <200001251514.AA27722220@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: Anyone two wheel it today? X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Ken Woods >I've been plowing snow on a Bobcat all morning. > >Several times I had it up on two wheels. >Does that count? Only if it was the wheels on one side. Just overloading the bucket doesn't count. :-) Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 25 23:15:32 2000 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA22417 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 23:15:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA05388 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 23:15:30 -0500 (EST) From: SGPGSXR23@XXXXXX Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (imo19.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.9]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA02794 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 23:15:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from SGPGSXR23@XXXXXX by imo19.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.6.) id v.4b.d18fae (4585) for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 23:15:21 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4b.d18fae.25bfced8@aol.com> Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 23:15:20 EST Subject: what sportbikes should look like... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 44 http://www.hardcoreracin g.com/Cartoons.htm From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 26 09:08:47 2000 Return-Path: Glenn.Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc014.hqda.pentagon.mil ([134.11.235.13]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA03478 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 09:08:46 -0500 (EST) Received: by emh1.hqda.pentagon.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 09:07:59 -0500 Message-ID: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46F03A7BC7E@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" To: "'Brian McCoy'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: So.. who's riding today? Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 09:07:28 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) No thanx, sand ain't my thing unless I'm at the beach. Oh, sorry your many, many from ANY beach aren't you? Keep that weather, I like snow. Glenn > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian McCoy [SMTP:v4mofo@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2000 2:02 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: So.. who's riding today? > > lmfao.. just read the weather for you guys out there... lol. > > Tell ya what, I know of some empty apartments out here in Phoenix, where > it > doesn't drop below 50 for more than a handfull of nights all year.. :) > > lol... I love kickin back in this gorgous weather.. :) > > Brian (Bite me Sun Boy) McCoy... lmao From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 26 11:58:29 2000 Return-Path: nelson@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out.kivex.com (smtp-out.kivex.com [204.177.32.18]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA06190 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 11:58:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from pti.com (pc69.pti.com [208.213.159.69]) by smtp-out.kivex.com (8.8.8/8.8.7-KIVEX) with ESMTP id LAA02058 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 11:59:57 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <388F270E.389F94CF@pti.com> Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 11:55:42 -0500 From: Nelson Fernandez X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Ice, snow and rubber don't mix Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well I knew it was going to happen but got on the bike anyway. It started at 6:30 this morning trying to get the bike out of the two feet of snow that had drifted and buried her. From there I had to go get the jumper cables because it was cold enough that the battery didn't want to start her. There was still about four inches of snow in my neighborhood that was now a mix of snow, ice and slush but my little brain said all you have to do is make it out to the main roads and all will be well (yeah, sure). At about 7:00 I was finally on my way slip-sliding around the neighborhood on my way to the "clear roads". As it turns out the "clear roads" weren't but finally made it safely(?) to I66 and figured clear sailing from here (you would think I would have learned by now). Made it about five miles down the road and had to switch over to reserve and not wanting to run out of gas before getting to work I decide to get off in Centerville to get gas. Hey, this is 29, I would have thought it would be nice and salted by now and no problem, wrong again. Get to the station, fill her up and yup you guessed it, starter turns a few times and clickclickclick, damn. Half an hour later I find some one to give me a jump and do I head home? Nope, back on 66 to work. Get off of 66 onto 110 and everything is just fine, except for the fact that I can no longer feel my toes. Apon passing the pentagon, 110 turns in to a slush feast. Oh come on, give me a brake. No, isn't going to happen. Crystal City looks like my neighborhood, only bigger. Down the ramp (don't fall, don't fall), move to the side and let the cages by, now under US1 and down past the metro and down 21st and YES my building is in site only a little further to (slip......slip some more....... feet come out in training wheel style) Hold on, hold on and splat : [, down we go. Keep the hand on the clutch, don't let her shut off (sniff sniff, is that gas?) and off goes the motor. Stand her back up and check for damage, mirror (o.k.), brake lever (o.k.), fairing (doe). Wife i$n't going to be happy about thi$. And just to add insult to injury had to push her the rest of the way to work because it wouldn't start again. I think I will take the train home. If I only had a brian Nelson P.S. except for a sore spot where the clip-on must have introduced it self to my leg, I am none the worse. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 26 12:08:49 2000 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA06374 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 12:08:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA24764 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 12:08:16 -0500 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000126120713.00c8e680@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 12:08:14 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Retro Article Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Nice little winter reading for you on a few bikes that are owned on this list.... http://www.motorcycle.com/mo/mcracing/streettrack.html VTR, YZF and the Triumph 955i. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org duck walks into a pharmacy picks out some chapstick and takes it to the counter pharmacist says "will that be cash or check?" duck says "just put it on my bill". From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 26 13:12:40 2000 Return-Path: bernescut@XXXXXX Received: from raphael.catholic.org (root@XXXXXX [207.95.245.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA07617 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 13:12:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from cedric ([12.4.21.97]) by raphael.catholic.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA29675 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 10:12:21 -0800 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 13:05:14 -0500 Message-ID: <01BF67FD.FC122E60.bernescut@ncea.org> From: Cedric Bernescut Reply-To: "bernescut@XXXXXX" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: Ice, snow and rubber don't mix Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 13:05:13 -0500 Organization: NCEA X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ditto for me on the first snow day here in Georgetown. Cedric 1996 CBR600F3 AMA 663626 Annandale, VA "Brain cells come and brain cells go, but fat cells live forever." -----Original Message----- From: Nelson Fernandez [SMTP:nelson@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2000 11:56 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Ice, snow and rubber don't mix Well I knew it was going to happen but got on the bike anyway. It started at 6:30 this morning trying to get the bike out of the two feet of snow that had drifted and buried her. From there I had to go get the jumper cables because it was cold enough that the battery didn't want to start her. There was still about four inches of snow in my neighborhood that was now a mix of snow, ice and slush but my little brain said all you have to do is make it out to the main roads and all will be well (yeah, sure). At about 7:00 I was finally on my way slip-sliding around the neighborhood on my way to the "clear roads". As it turns out the "clear roads" weren't but finally made it safely(?) to I66 and figured clear sailing from here (you would think I would have learned by now). Made it about five miles down the road and had to switch over to reserve and not wanting to run out of gas before getting to work I decide to get off in Centerville to get gas. Hey, this is 29, I would have thought it would be nice and salted by now and no problem, wrong again. Get to the station, fill her up and yup you guessed it, starter turns a few times and clickclickclick, damn. Half an hour later I find some one to give me a jump and do I head home? Nope, back on 66 to work. Get off of 66 onto 110 and everything is just fine, except for the fact that I can no longer feel my toes. Apon passing the pentagon, 110 turns in to a slush feast. Oh come on, give me a brake. No, isn't going to happen. Crystal City looks like my neighborhood, only bigger. Down the ramp (don't fall, don't fall), move to the side and let the cages by, now under US1 and down past the metro and down 21st and YES my building is in site only a little further to (slip......slip some more....... feet come out in training wheel style) Hold on, hold on and splat : [, down we go. Keep the hand on the clutch, don't let her shut off (sniff sniff, is that gas?) and off goes the motor. Stand her back up and check for damage, mirror (o.k.), brake lever (o.k.), fairing (doe). Wife i$n't going to be happy about thi$. And just to add insult to injury had to push her the rest of the way to work because it wouldn't start again. I think I will take the train home. If I only had a brian Nelson P.S. except for a sore spot where the clip-on must have introduced it self to my leg, I am none the worse. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 26 17:47:47 2000 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA12160 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 17:47:46 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 17:47:43 -0500 Message-Id: <200001261747.AA57213318@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: , Nelson Fernandez Subject: Re: Ice, snow and rubber don't mix X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Nelson Fernandez >Well I knew it was going to happen but got on the bike anyway. It >started at 6:30 this morning trying to get the bike out of the two feet >of snow that had drifted and buried her... >building is in site only a little further to (slip......slip some >more....... feet come out in training wheel style) Hold on, hold on and >splat : [, down we go. Quite an adventure! The next question is what to do tomorrow. Instead of a 2-wheeler I might take one of those 20-wheelers (Metro cars). But then, the main roads will be clear ... Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 27 08:01:32 2000 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA27497 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 08:01:30 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 08:01:26 -0500 Message-Id: <200001270801.AA131203456@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: "List-dc cycles" Subject: Who rode in today? X-Mailer: Okay, who rode in today? I did, but kind of wish I hadn't. DC is much messier than I expected - Independence Ave. isn't fully clear, and D St. here, that leads to I-395, is solid ice/snow. I made it okay, but I didn't have the margin I want to get out of the way of cars if I have to. But it will surely be better this afternoon. The sun and traffic should help clear a lot out. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 27 09:12:55 2000 Return-Path: biga@XXXXXX Received: from lycanthrope.crosslink.net (lycanthrope.crosslink.net [206.246.124.36]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA28999 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 09:12:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from norc (dyn43.c5200-2.king-george.246.crosslink.net [206.246.117.172]) by lycanthrope.crosslink.net (8.9.3/) with SMTP id JAA31526 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 09:12:47 -0500 X-Really-To: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000127091204.009a6e60@biga.pop.crosslink.net> X-Sender: biga@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 09:12:04 -0500 To: From: Andrew Culpepper Subject: Re: Who rode in today? In-Reply-To: <200001270801.AA131203456@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Maybe you should get on the brain donor list with Nelson. :-) Andrew At 08:01 AM 1/27/00 -0500, you wrote: >Okay, who rode in today? > >I did, but kind of wish I hadn't. DC is much messier than I expected - Independence Ave. From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 27 09:38:48 2000 Return-Path: bernescut@XXXXXX Received: from raphael.catholic.org (root@XXXXXX [207.95.245.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA29394 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 09:38:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from cedric ([12.4.21.97]) by raphael.catholic.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id GAA20423 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 06:38:41 -0800 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 09:31:25 -0500 Message-ID: <01BF68A9.47C640C0.bernescut@ncea.org> From: Cedric Bernescut Reply-To: "bernescut@XXXXXX" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: Ice, snow and rubber don't mix Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 09:31:23 -0500 Organization: NCEA X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My CBR has been sitting chained up at work with the battery sitting on the office floor hooked up to a Battery Tender. I am currently giving MetroRail the benefit of my presence, but I must say its better to wave at it from I66 than to be in it. I was going to fire it up for Sunday's Superbowl party but it looks like Sunday will be a mess again. Cedric 1996 CBR600F3 AMA 663626 Annandale, VA Quite an adventure! The next question is what to do tomorrow. Instead of a 2-wheeler I might take one of those 20-wheelers (Metro cars). But then, the main roads will be clear ... Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 27 10:11:29 2000 Return-Path: nelson@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out.kivex.com (smtp-out.kivex.com [204.177.32.18]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA00273 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 10:11:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from pti.com (pc69.pti.com [208.213.159.69]) by smtp-out.kivex.com (8.8.8/8.8.7-KIVEX) with ESMTP id KAA12289 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 10:12:12 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <38905F4E.922FAFE@pti.com> Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 10:07:58 -0500 From: Nelson Fernandez X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: List-dc cycles Subject: Re: Who rode in today? References: <200001270801.AA131203456@piglet.toward.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Not I said the man of little gray matter. I have restricted myself to only dropping my bike once a week. ;) Nelson P.S. But of course I changed my mind last night and rode it home. I couldn't just leave it here at work in the cold garage all by it self over night. Chris Norloff wrote: > Okay, who rode in today? > > I did, but kind of wish I hadn't. DC is much messier than I expected - Independence Ave. isn't fully clear, and D St. here, that leads to I-395, is solid ice/snow. I made it okay, but I didn't have the margin I want to get out of the way of cars if I have to. > > But it will surely be better this afternoon. The sun and traffic should help clear a lot out. > > Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 27 10:23:45 2000 Return-Path: horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mailprime.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA00533 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 10:23:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71] by tidalwave.net (SMTPD32-5.05) id A2DF20C0286; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 10:23:11 -0500 From: "Horkster" Reply-To: "Horkster" Date: Thu, 27 Jan 100 10:23:11 -0500 To: , Subject: Re: Who rode in today? Message-Id: <200001271023140.SM00119@tidalwave.net> ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 08:01:26 -0500 >Okay, who rode in today? Not me. Damnit. I'm raging around the office, yelling at folks "How can you people drive those CAGES everyday?!?!" OK, not really. But I want to. :) All the roads on my normal commute are ok, except for the first one and the last one. The road outside my house is still pretty yucky, and the road into the office here is just plain miserable - damn near impassable on a big two wheeler. Sigh. This sucks. I miss my bike already. More sleet this weekend, I hear. Horkster -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) Horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi -- From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 27 12:11:02 2000 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA02303 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 12:11:00 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 12:10:57 -0500 Message-Id: <200001271210.AA51052918@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: , "Horkster" Subject: Re: Who rode in today? X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Horkster" >All the roads on my normal commute are ok, except for the >first one and the last one. The road outside my house is >still pretty yucky, and the road into the office here is >just plain miserable - damn near impassable on a big two >wheeler. Yup, know what you mean. >Sigh. This sucks. I miss my bike already. More sleet >this weekend, I hear. Sleet! Oh goody. -- Chris Norloff, Virginia recovering BMW owner '92 Honda ST1100 ABS STOC #1290 '90 Honda Pacific Coast '81 Honda CB750F with Jupiter sidecar -- From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 27 12:17:25 2000 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA02474 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 12:17:24 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 12:17:22 -0500 Message-Id: <200001271217.AA107151790@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: Who rode in today? X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Andrew Culpepper >Maybe you should get on the brain donor list with Nelson. :-) Perhaps, but that's what many people say about ANYONE who rides a motorcycle. A lot comes down to how you use a bike - for me, it's basic transportation. The alternatives (Metro, cage) are slower, more expensive, and less fun. If the main roads are clear, and that's where 95% of your ride is, then you're fine there. Then the question is how is that last 5%? Wide neighborhood roads with little traffic are easy to negotiate in less-than-dry-pavement conditions. DC streets in the same condition are not :-) I find that the most important consideration is how you mix with cars. If you're the slowest one on the road, then that's not great. If you keep up with the cars for 95% of the ride, and avoid them for the last 5% then you're doing fine. -- Chris Norloff, Virginia recovering BMW owner '92 Honda ST1100 ABS STOC #1290 '90 Honda Pacific Coast '81 Honda CB750F with Jupiter sidecar -- From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 27 16:00:24 2000 Return-Path: dhallis@XXXXXX Received: from hotmail.com (law-f230.hotmail.com [209.185.130.168]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA06484 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 16:00:22 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 61525 invoked by uid 0); 27 Jan 2000 20:59:49 -0000 Message-ID: <20000127205949.61524.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 204.193.255.42 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 12:59:49 PST X-Originating-IP: [204.193.255.42] From: "Doug Allis" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Who rode in today? Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 12:59:49 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed > > Okay, who rode in today? Yes I did. But I've got less than 100 yards to clear, dry main roads at both ends of the trip. The real problem was that I missed HOV because I got started so late. HOV to both Memorial and 14th were backed up beyond Pentagon at 9:30 am. Ugh. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 27 16:36:14 2000 Return-Path: Glenn.Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc014.hqda.pentagon.mil ([134.11.235.13]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA07026 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 16:36:12 -0500 (EST) Received: by emh1.hqda.pentagon.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 16:34:34 -0500 Message-ID: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46F03A7BCB3@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" To: "'cnorloff@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Who rode in today? Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 16:34:27 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) I know we've had this discussion before but I still say that ultimately for commuting, that motorcycles (in the long run) will cost you more to maintain then your average econobox. Glenn > -----Original Message----- > A lot comes down to how you use a bike - for me, it's basic > transportation. The alternatives (Metro, cage) are slower, more > expensive, and less fun. If the main roads are clear, and that's where > 95% of your ride is, then you're fine there. Then the question is how is > that last 5%? Wide neighborhood roads with little traffic are easy to > negotiate in less-than-dry-pavement conditions. DC streets in the same > condition are not :-) > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 27 22:48:06 2000 Return-Path: rmeyer@XXXXXX Received: from mail3.mgfairfax.rr.com (fe3.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.50]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA13059 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 22:47:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from VIRGINIA ([24.28.208.42]) by mail3.mgfairfax.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.197.19); Thu, 27 Jan 2000 22:47:52 -0500 Reply-To: From: "RMeyer" To: "ST1100 LiST" , Subject: Good for a laugh! Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 22:46:46 -0500 Message-ID: <000001bf6942$4ce1fce0$0300a8c0@VIRGINIA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 In-reply-to: <03c901bf693c$bcc5d820$ba8db7d8@oemcomputer> Everybody's got an e-commerce site! http://www.hells-angels-oakland.com/support.htm From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 27 23:03:11 2000 Return-Path: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (imo20.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA13307 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 23:03:10 -0500 (EST) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.6.) id 6.af.b56c73 (4542); Thu, 27 Jan 2000 23:01:34 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 23:01:34 EST Subject: Re: Good for a laugh! To: rmeyer@XXXXXX, st1100@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 44 ROTFLMAO!!!!! Can't.......see.......straight........laughing......too.....hard...... Scooter LOL In a message dated 1/27/2000 10:52:48 PM Eastern Standard Time, rmeyer@XXXXXX writes: << Everybody's got an e-commerce site! http://www.hells-angels-oakland.com/support.htm >> From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 28 07:08:46 2000 Return-Path: rcrishoc@XXXXXX Received: from e23.nc.us.ibm.com (e23.nc.us.ibm.com [32.97.136.229]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA22182 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 07:08:45 -0500 (EST) From: rcrishoc@XXXXXX Received: from southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com [9.37.3.209]) by e23.nc.us.ibm.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA23584 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 06:53:46 -0600 Received: from d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com (d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com [9.67.228.36]) by southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (8.8.8m2/NCO v2.06) with SMTP id HAA50288 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 07:08:38 -0500 Received: by d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 85256874.0042B4AA ; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 07:08:36 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: IBMUS To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256874.0042B3EF.00@d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 07:08:31 -0500 Subject: Re: the long run Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Glenn wrote... >>>>I know we've had this discussion before but I still say that ultimately for commuting, that motorcycles (in the long run) will cost you more to maintain then your average econobox.<<<< A lot of that is because they make such a vast amount of cool stuff for bikes. :) We don't *have* to buy the carbon slip-ons, ya know. And some runs are longer than others. Although I have no empirical evidence of it, I would bet that it costs less to restore an old bike than a car of similar vintage. Rich '78 Triumph Bonneville '99 Enfield Bullet Sterling From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 28 09:38:16 2000 Return-Path: Glenn.Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc014.hqda.pentagon.mil ([134.11.235.13]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA25256 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 09:38:09 -0500 (EST) Received: by emh1.hqda.pentagon.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 09:34:49 -0500 Message-ID: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46F03A7BCCA@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: the long run Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 09:34:47 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) I'm not even talking after market accessories. Just plain maintenance, car parts are cheaper and last longer. Again I'm talking commuting in your average econo-box like a Civic or a Corolla. Glenn -----Original Message----- A lot of that is because they make such a vast amount of cool stuff for bikes. :) We don't *have* to buy the carbon slip-ons, ya know. And some runs are longer than others. Although I have no empirical evidence of it, I would bet that it costs less to restore an old bike than a car of similar vintage. From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 28 10:51:14 2000 Return-Path: jay.stpeter@XXXXXX Received: from ravinc.ravinc.com (mail.ravinc.com [216.181.133.51]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA26791 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 10:51:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from superj (192.9.200.178) by ravinc.ravinc.com (Worldmail 1.3.167) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; 28 Jan 2000 10:51:07 -0500 From: "Jay St. Peter" To: Subject: RE: the long run Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 10:52:50 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 I think I would have to agree with Glenn. If you're talking overall cost of ownership you can't really beat an econobox. As much as I hated my wifes old Mitsu Mirage, oil changes were 4 quarts of the cheap stuff and filters were cheap. I think it cost me about $10/change. In 85K miles I think I changed the oil every 7K, put one set of tires on to the tune of $190 (and those were pretty good yokahamas). Oh yeah, the battery replacement was $45. And, the thing cost $10.5K new and got 30-40MPG. I think I replaced the spark plugs rotor/cap/wires once for around $70 and flushed the FI w/a kit for $45. I hated that car, so I hardly ever did anything to it. I always hoped it would blow up to give me an excuse to get a car with enough headroom. Damn thing was bulletproof. She never took it in for anything that I remember except twice for a faulty auto-seatbelt mechanism which was covered/recalled. Comparatively, my ZX9 with less than 20K miles has cost way more just in mc specific oil. Can't really beat an econobox for $/mile. Maybe comparing apples to apples, an econo-bike. Some kind of thumper maybe? I guess it would have to have hydraulic valves and a maintenance free drive train. Then, if you did all the maintenance yourself and didn't count your time as $ it might come close. Some of the cheap chen shi* tires will last a while and come cheap. Some of the thumper dual sports out there might come close in overall $/mile? What would be the cheapest $/mile bike out there now? Nighthawk 250? DR350? Hmmm, how about a Honda Helix (you gonna count scooters)? That actually might win with those little cheap tires. Don't really know much about the motor/drivetrain. Maybe this battle has already happened and I missed it? If so, I'll don my flamesuit :) Jay St. Peter -----Original Message----- I'm not even talking after market accessories. Just plain maintenance, car parts are cheaper and last longer. Again I'm talking commuting in your average econo-box like a Civic or a Corolla. Glenn From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 28 11:30:46 2000 Return-Path: bernescut@XXXXXX Received: from raphael.catholic.org (root@XXXXXX [207.95.245.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA27408 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 11:30:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from cedric ([12.4.21.97]) by raphael.catholic.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA22470 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 08:30:39 -0800 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 11:23:13 -0500 Message-ID: <01BF6982.10C25760.bernescut@ncea.org> From: Cedric Bernescut Reply-To: "bernescut@XXXXXX" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Cost of riding, was: Who rode in today? Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 11:23:12 -0500 Organization: NCEA X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I know we've had this discussion before but I still say that ultimately for commuting, that motorcycles (in the long run) will cost you more to maintain then your average econobox. Glenn This may be true for some, but in my case riding is a budget saver. Option 1-Drive/Metro/Walk Metro from Dunn Loring to Foggy Bottom: $ 2.40 return fare home: $ 2.40 Metro parking: $ 2.25 gas to and from Metro: (big fat Dodge) $ 1.50 total: $ 8.55/day donation to homeless guy in Metro station: $0.10-$1.00 average HOV status N/A Option 2-Driving in to work: gas to and from office: $3.50 parking in Georgetown $10.00 total: $13.50/day donation to homeless guy in Metro station: $0.00 average HOV status No Option 3-Ride to work gas to and from office: $0.78 parking in Georgetown: $0.00 (sneak a corner of underground lot) total: $0.78/day HOV status: Yes donation to homeless guy along sidewalk: $5.00 average in unused Metro fare cards :) I realize that my situation may be different than what others go through, and I am not factoring in the cost of ownership or insurance because I would incur these costs regardless of whether or not I commuted. Maintenance and tires are probably higher with the mileage from commuting though, and that could alter the equation. Still, 29th Street looks like the polar icecap after a nuclear sub has surfaced through it so I am leaving the bike locked up for a little while longer and squeezing my carcass into the Metro train for a wee bit longer; oops, should have skipped that extra breakfast burrito.... Cedric 1996 CBR600F3 AMA 663626 Annandale, VA > -----Original Message----- > A lot comes down to how you use a bike - for me, it's basic > transportation. The alternatives (Metro, cage) are slower, more > expensive, and less fun. If the main roads are clear, and that's where > 95% of your ride is, then you're fine there. Then the question is how is > that last 5%? Wide neighborhood roads with little traffic are easy to > negotiate in less-than-dry-pavement conditions. DC streets in the same > condition are not :-) > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 28 11:46:10 2000 Return-Path: twg@XXXXXX Received: from mongoose.slip.net (www2.sntccaidc.firstworld.net [216.127.92.130]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA27710 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 11:46:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from shell.slip.net ([207.171.193.17] helo=slip-3.slip.net) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 3.12 #1) id 12EEVx-00062g-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 08:44:53 -0800 Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 08:45:21 -0800 (PST) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: the long run In-Reply-To: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46F03A7BCCA@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 28 Jan 2000, Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM wrote: > I'm not even talking after market accessories. Just plain maintenance, car > parts are cheaper and last longer. Again I'm talking commuting in your > average econo-box like a Civic or a Corolla. > > Glenn If we're gonna have this argument I think it's important to compare type with type. I doubt it costs more to ride a scooter then to drive a Civic. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 28 11:59:24 2000 Return-Path: bernescut@XXXXXX Received: from raphael.catholic.org (root@XXXXXX [207.95.245.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA27889 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 11:59:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from cedric ([12.4.21.97]) by raphael.catholic.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA27973 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 08:59:07 -0800 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 11:51:42 -0500 Message-ID: <01BF6986.0B131F80.bernescut@ncea.org> From: Cedric Bernescut Reply-To: "bernescut@XXXXXX" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Cost of riding, was: Who rode in today? Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 11:51:39 -0500 Organization: NCEA X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit don't forget $.25 for the paper to read on the way in... I always bring PC mag or Cycle World. I once was reading the cover article on the Hayabusa with the 194 MPH headline and the guy next to me had a magazine open to the ad for the new Porsche; seems a hint of envy crossed his brow.... > don't forget to figure in costs for when the valet looses your keys or dings your car in to a pole in the garage.... Don't forget the bullets you'll need to shoot all of the crazy people you are sitting in traffic with! Ah, those clumsy valets! It seems impossible to find one who can respect the Corinthian leather and upholstered accutrements of my Bentley; its tough on those days when the chauffer is off and you have to manage by yourself. Eddie Murphy said it best in BV Cop when he showed up with his Chevy beater and pointed at the bodywork "Hey, all this happened the last time I let you guys park it." > >Option 3-Ride to work >gas to and from office: $0.78 >parking in Georgetown: $0.00 (sneak a corner of underground lot) >total: $0.78/day >HOV status: Yes >donation to homeless guy along sidewalk: $5.00 average in unused Metro fare >cards :) AMEN!!! plus the wind on your face is free! You said it. Lisa Goddard Systems Engineer Allegiance Telecom Data Services Unit From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 28 12:06:33 2000 Return-Path: Glenn.Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc014.hqda.pentagon.mil ([134.11.235.13]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA28063 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 12:06:32 -0500 (EST) Received: by emh1.hqda.pentagon.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 12:06:00 -0500 Message-ID: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46F03A7BCD8@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" To: "'Hugh Caldwell'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: the long run Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 12:05:52 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Sure it does. Again parts are higher and don't last as long. You can start with tires. Glenn -----Original Message----- If we're gonna have this argument I think it's important to compare type with type. I doubt it costs more to ride a scooter then to drive a Civic. From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 28 12:07:17 2000 Return-Path: nelson@XXXXXX Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA28073 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 12:07:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from pti.com ([207.223.177.129]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA16506; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 12:07:07 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3891CD0B.1CCF5B4@pti.com> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 12:08:27 -0500 From: Nelson Fernandez Organization: Production Technology, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" CC: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: the long run References: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46F03A7BCCA@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here is my two cents: Parking is $85 a month for the cage and free for the fizzer (that an extra $1050 a year for maintance). Try and get insurance for $100 a year with my license record with a cage. The commute for the bike is around an hour(HOV), around two for the cage, what is your time worth? Now rich is right about the choice of addons and replacment parts. The problem is no one falls in love with their econo box and doesn't mind putting cheep everything (tires, oil, ect.) where the bike you are willing to buy $150 tires, pay the extra the extra $20 for the sinthetic oil and pay $100 for a chain when the $35 one will last almost as long if taken care of properly. And if it comes down to it there is always JC Wittney if you want to go the cheep route. It is close when you take all into account, but I wouldn't say the difference is that great. And lets face it, when was the last time someone walked up the their econo box and smilled just at the thought of cranking her up and starting down the road? Nelson From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 28 12:08:51 2000 Return-Path: nelson@XXXXXX Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA28084 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 12:08:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from pti.com ([207.223.177.129]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA16104; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 12:08:46 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3891CD6F.A63431F7@pti.com> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 12:10:07 -0500 From: Nelson Fernandez Organization: Production Technology, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" CC: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: the long run References: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46F03A7BCCA@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here is my two cents: Parking is $85 a month for the cage and free for the fizzer (that an extra $1050 a year for maintenance). Try and get insurance for $100 a year with my license record with a cage. The commute for the bike is around an hour(HOV), around two for the cage, what is your time worth? Now rich is right about the choice of add-ons and replacement parts. The problem is no one falls in love with their econo box and doesn't mind putting cheep everything (tires, oil, etc.) where the bike you are willing to buy $150 tires, pay the extra the extra $20 for the synthetic oil and pay $100 for a chain when the $35 one will last almost as long if taken care of properly. And if it comes down to it there is always JC Whitney if you want to go the cheep route. It is close when you take all into account, but I wouldn't say the difference is that great. And lets face it, when was the last time someone walked up the their econo box and smiled just at the thought of cranking her up and starting down the road? Nelson From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 28 12:10:39 2000 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA28097 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 12:10:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA00713 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 12:10:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA03139 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 12:10:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA04852 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 12:10:26 -0500 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000128120815.00bf1890@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 12:10:23 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Is it helmet law time yet? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Ok, I am not trolling, but I am interested in comments on this guy's post. Also - let it be known that I am anti helmet-law and pro-helmet. (same with seat belts) Original can be found here: http://www.bikersrights.com/backfire/letters.html From: cutter64@XXXXXX (Calvin & Tammy Armerding) To: ddfst@XXXXXX Dear Don, I believe that when you suggested that we take our ABATE myths and shove them you forgot some important points. 1. Passage of the helmet law in California resulted in a 500% increase in spinal cord injuries. This is in spite of the fact that motorcycle registrations dropped over 30% over the first two years of the helmet law, and have not recovered. 2. DOT testing has proven that helmets impair your hearing and your vision, making you less safe as you ride. NHTSA's take on this testing was the following: We do not consider that this reduction makes riders less safe because all the riders in our tests compensated by turning their heads more. I translate this to read that riders with helmets spend less time looking at the road ahead of them. 3. Helmets trap heat, leading to increased rider fatigue. It has been calculated that a helmet has the same heat trapping effect as three wool hats. During hot weather this leads to increased fatigue and increased incidence of heat stroke. 4. If helmets are the panacea that you and others would claim, where are the results. The death rate in California dropped from 2.8 deaths per hundred accidents in 1991 to 2.4 deaths per hundred in 1992, primarily due to a change in the way the CHP collects their data, a change which resulted in many more minor accidents being added to the totals; accidents which did not lead to deaths or serious injuries, and which, consequently, diluted the totals. Last year the death rate had risen back to 2.6 and is still increasing. this figure is the only one that has any meaning when discussing helmet effectiveness as it is the only calculation that takes into account changing ridership. 5. Finally, where are the results nationwide. The states with full helmet laws have a higher death rate than the states without helmet laws, or with helmet laws restricted to minors only. If helmets are saving lives, then there should be a drastic difference between the free and restricted states in the direction of saved lives. In fact, you are less likely to die in an accident while riding in a free state. Don, the proof of the cooking is in the pudding. If helmet laws are saving lives, other than by discouraging people to ride motorcycles, where is the proof. ABATE is not blowing smoke, we have the proof on our side and we will continue to show people until they realize that they are being lied to by the insurance companies and the statist do-gooders. Sincerely, Cutter President ABATE Local 15, Contra Costa County President, ABATE Local 14, Alameda County ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 Eat right. Stay fit. Die anyway. From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 28 12:13:49 2000 Return-Path: Glenn.Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc014.hqda.pentagon.mil ([134.11.235.13]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA28173 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 12:13:48 -0500 (EST) Received: by emh1.hqda.pentagon.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 12:12:48 -0500 Message-ID: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46F03A7BCD9@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" To: "'Nelson Fernandez'" Cc: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: the long run Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 12:12:40 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Well you make park for free but that's a "special" that not everyone can enjoy. Besides, where I work and where I'm sure lots of other people work they don't have to pay to park. What I'm referring to is pure commuting mile per mile, not parking charges and the like. I mean if you want to bring up parking charges I can always bring up the things with a bike that you won't need to buy or EVER replace with an econo-box, such as helmets, boots, leathers and/or a riding suit, rain suit, gloves, electric clothing for winter time, etc. Glenn -----Original Message----- Here is my two cents: Parking is $85 a month for the cage and free for the fizzer (that an extra $1050 a year for maintance). Try and get insurance for $100 a year with my license record with a cage. The commute for the bike is around an hour(HOV), around two for the cage, what is your time worth? Now rich is right about the choice of addons and replacment parts. The problem is no one falls in love with their econo box and doesn't mind putting cheep everything (tires, oil, ect.) where the bike you are willing to buy $150 tires, pay the extra the extra $20 for the sinthetic oil and pay $100 for a chain when the $35 one will last almost as long if taken care of properly. And if it comes down to it there is always JC Wittney if you want to go the cheep route. It is close when you take all into account, but I wouldn't say the difference is that great. And lets face it, when was the last time someone walked up the their econo box and smilled just at the thought of cranking her up and starting down the road? From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 28 12:15:03 2000 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA28207 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 12:15:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA04869 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 12:14:27 -0500 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000128121303.00bdbec0@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 12:14:26 -0500 To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" From: Troutman Subject: RE: Cost of riding, was: Who rode in today? In-Reply-To: <01BF6986.0B131F80.bernescut@ncea.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Anyone see the Cycle Sport with the 200+Hp XX on the cover? The dyno is amazing. At 6k rpms the chart doubles from 100 to 200 hp within 1k rpms! At 11:51 AM 1/28/00 , Cedric Bernescut wrote: >don't forget $.25 for the paper to read on the way in... > >I always bring PC mag or Cycle World. I once was reading the cover article >on the Hayabusa with the 194 MPH headline and the guy next to me had a >magazine open to the ad for the new Porsche; seems a hint of envy crossed >his brow.... ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 Eat right. Stay fit. Die anyway. From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 28 12:17:26 2000 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA28260 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 12:17:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA04879 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 12:16:53 -0500 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000128121527.00bdf8e0@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 12:16:52 -0500 To: From: Troutman Subject: Re: the long run In-Reply-To: <3891CD0B.1CCF5B4@pti.com> References: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46F03A7BCCA@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 12:08 PM 1/28/00 , Nelson Fernandez wrote: what is your time worth? > Now rich is right about the choice of addons and replacment parts. The >problem is no one falls in love with their econo box and doesn't mind putting >cheep everything (tires, oil, ect.) where the bike you are willing to buy $150 >tires, pay the extra the extra $20 for the sinthetic oil and pay $100 for a >chain when the $35 one will last almost as long if taken care of >properly. And >if it comes down to it there is always JC Wittney if you want to go the cheep >route. The real question is - what is your life worth? I don't scrimp on bike parts and repairs. When a cage breaks down, you don't typically highside. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 Eat right. Stay fit. Die anyway. From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 28 13:18:18 2000 Return-Path: Steve_Beck@XXXXXX Received: from goliath.intelsol.com (host.intelsol.com [207.233.199.4] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA29174 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 13:18:17 -0500 (EST) From: Steve_Beck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 (600.1 3-26-1998)) id 85256874.00648C9A ; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 13:18:15 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256874.006367EA.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 13:18:13 -0500 Subject: RE: the long run Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Sure it does. Again parts are higher and don't last as long. You can start with tires. Glenn I agree Glenn. I have easily spent $2500 on just tires alone for mine. 25 rears and 10 or 12 fronts. And I have only about 100,000 miles total on all those tires. Now add an oil change with good quality oil every 3000 miles and you can see how fast the totals start to add up. And tires & oil are only a part of the maintenance costs. Steve From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 28 13:22:49 2000 Return-Path: twg@XXXXXX Received: from mongoose.slip.net (www2.sntccaidc.firstworld.net [216.127.92.130]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA29262 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 13:22:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from shell.slip.net ([207.171.193.17] helo=slip-3.slip.net) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 3.12 #1) id 12EG1e-0002Mx-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 10:21:42 -0800 Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 10:22:11 -0800 (PST) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: the long run In-Reply-To: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46F03A7BCD8@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII How long do scooter tires last and how long do they last? How does the added expense in tires and maintenance compare with savings in gas? How much do you save on the original purchase between a scooter and an Accord? Assuming liability only how much would you save with the scooter? I've never owned a scooter but I think they would be very cheap to own and operate as that is their primary appeal. On Fri, 28 Jan 2000, Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM wrote: > Sure it does. Again parts are higher and don't last as long. You can start > with tires. > > Glenn > > -----Original Message----- > > If we're gonna have this argument I think it's > important to compare type with type. I doubt it costs more > to ride a scooter then to drive a Civic. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 28 13:24:09 2000 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA29272 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 13:24:08 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 13:24:05 -0500 Message-Id: <200001281324.AA99484024@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: RE: Cost of riding, was: Who rode in today? X-Mailer: Anybody have real numbers? I mean, what YOU paid per mile to operate your motorcycle - purchase price (minus current value), insurance, taxes, inspection fees, gas & oil, maintenance, tires, parts, etc. It'd be interesting to add in the riding gear, but if you'd own that anyway for fun, then it doesn't add into the commuting equation. I haven't collected those kind of numbers myself, but always figured that my $1,000 bikes offset any increase in operating costs ($300 in tires lasts 10,000 mi. on a bike, 30,000+ mi. on a car). Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 28 13:28:42 2000 Return-Path: Steve_Beck@XXXXXX Received: from goliath.intelsol.com (host.intelsol.com [207.233.199.4] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA29354 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 13:28:40 -0500 (EST) From: Steve_Beck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 (600.1 3-26-1998)) id 85256874.006581C3 ; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 13:28:43 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256874.0064EFCA.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 13:28:40 -0500 Subject: Re: Is it helmet law time yet? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline >>Ok, I am not trolling, but I am interested in comments on this guy's post.<< Part of his post said the following: >>Don, the proof of the cooking is in the pudding.<< My comment is "Pudding is probably an excellent description of what brain matter will turn to when somebody's helmetless head comes into full contact with the tarmac at highway speeds." Steve From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 28 13:29:24 2000 Return-Path: twg@XXXXXX Received: from mongoose.slip.net (www2.sntccaidc.firstworld.net [216.127.92.130]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA29374 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 13:29:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from shell.slip.net ([207.171.193.17] helo=slip-3.slip.net) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 3.12 #1) id 12EG7u-0002eH-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 10:28:10 -0800 Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 10:28:15 -0800 (PST) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Good for a laugh! (fwd) In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20000128120229.00c135a0@mail.wheatintl.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII The funniest question was the one concerning the type of bike you rode. It seems like they missed a couple or categories. On Fri, 28 Jan 2000, Troutman wrote: > Even better for a bit of controversy..... > > http://www.bikersrights.com/ > > This link came from the Hells Angels site. Have a look at the 'objective' > survey. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 28 13:38:46 2000 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA29566 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 13:38:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA01177 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 13:38:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from PMESMTP02.wcom.com (pmesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.20.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA07358 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 13:38:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com ([166.37.172.6]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #41713) with ESMTP id <0FP200G6B6FSYR@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 18:38:16 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omta1.mcit.com (omta1.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id SAA15483 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 18:39:05 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.44.137.69]) by omta1.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <20000128183733.TNIR31786@toddnt> for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 12:37:33 -0600 Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 13:35:34 -0500 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: Is it helmet law time yet? In-reply-to: <4.2.0.58.20000128120815.00bf1890@mail.wheatintl.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <000101bf69be$766386c0$45892ca6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal I'll bite, and like Mike I am anti-helmet-law, pro-helmet..... Just FYI, I think ABATE has it's heart in the right place, they just need to get their facts straight and start working the "choice" side of the issue more (IMNSHO). > -----Original Message----- > From: Troutman [mailto:mike@XXXXXX] > > Ok, I am not trolling, but I am interested in comments on this guy's > post. Also - let it be known that I am anti helmet-law and > pro-helmet. (same with seat belts) > > Original can be found here: > http://www.bikersrights.com/backfire/letters.html > > From: cutter64@XXXXXX (Calvin & Tammy Armerding) > To: ddfst@XXXXXX > Dear Don, > I believe that when you suggested that we take our ABATE myths and shove > them you forgot some important points. > > 1. Passage of the helmet law in California resulted in a 500% increase in > spinal cord injuries. This is in spite of the fact that motorcycle > registrations dropped over 30% over the first two years of the > helmet law, > and have not recovered. The Stat about a 500% increase in spinal cord injuries is misleading. Even though the writer didn't say so, I am assuming he is talking about an increased injury rate to motorcyclists and not the entire population of California. So, if there were just one Spinal Cord injury, there would necessarily be 5 to follow making the Stat true. But what do the injuries actually have to do with helmets? He doesn't say. Further, though the writer claims that in spite of the lower registration rate, the increase in injuries occurred. I'd propose that as a cause of the lower registration rate, spinal cord injury rates rose. > > 2. DOT testing has proven that helmets impair your hearing and > your vision, > making you less safe as you ride. NHTSA's take on this testing was the > following: We do not consider that this reduction makes riders less safe > because all the riders in our tests compensated by turning their heads > more. I translate this to read that riders with helmets spend less time > looking at the road ahead of them. > I don't believe the DOT actually claimed that because "helmets impair your hearing and vision", you are "less safe as you ride". Also, the writers reduction of NHTSA's statement to mean "riders with helmets spend less time looking at the road ahead of them." is silly and arbitrary. NHTSA's claim was obviously pointing to vision and having to turn your head to focus on objects out of your field of vision. Not that you weren't paying attention to what's ahead. > 3. Helmets trap heat, leading to increased rider fatigue. It has been > calculated that a helmet has the same heat trapping effect as three wool > hats. During hot weather this leads to increased fatigue and increased > incidence of heat stroke. > This may be true if you insist on standing still in direct sunlight. I try to keep moving, or take off the helmet. My experience has been marginal discomforture on very hot days. What the writer dismissed, of course, was that a helmet insulates your noggin in weather like we are having today, or on wet rainy days. For us follicle deprived, a helmet also reduces skin exposure to the damaging effects of extended periods in sunlight. > 4. If helmets are the panacea that you and others would claim, where are > the results. The death rate in California dropped from 2.8 deaths per > hundred accidents in 1991 to 2.4 deaths per hundred in 1992, > primarily due > to a change in the way the CHP collects their data, a change > which resulted > in many more minor accidents being added to the totals; accidents > which did > not lead to deaths or serious injuries, and which, consequently, diluted > the totals. Last year the death rate had risen back to 2.6 and is still > increasing. this figure is the only one that has any meaning when > discussing helmet effectiveness as it is the only calculation that takes > into account changing ridership. Hard to comment on this one since the writer is working from some knowledge I am unaware of. But I don't agree that a helmets effectiveness in a crash be limited to wether you die or not. I mean you could live after a crash without a lid, but if there was head injury involved, you may not want to. Hell you may not even know you may not want to. > > 5. Finally, where are the results nationwide. The states with full helmet > laws have a higher death rate than the states without helmet > laws, or with > helmet laws restricted to minors only. If helmets are saving lives, then > there should be a drastic difference between the free and > restricted states > in the direction of saved lives. In fact, you are less likely to > die in an > accident while riding in a free state. These claims are unfounded due to the writers own lack of evidence to the contrary. The claim that free states have less deaths (here again assuming moto-crash related), may in some cases be seen as boring states to ride in. > > Don, the proof of the cooking is in the pudding. If helmet laws > are saving > lives, other than by discouraging people to ride motorcycles, > where is the > proof. Indeed. Convincing proof that lid-less is safer is lacking as well. > ABATE is not blowing smoke, we have the proof on our side and we > will continue to show people until they realize that they are > being lied to > by the insurance companies and the statist do-gooders. > > Sincerely, > Cutter > > President ABATE Local 15, Contra Costa County > President, ABATE Local 14, Alameda County > > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 28 13:42:22 2000 Return-Path: Glenn.Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc014.hqda.pentagon.mil ([134.11.235.13]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA29655 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 13:42:20 -0500 (EST) Received: by emh1.hqda.pentagon.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 13:41:27 -0500 Message-ID: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46F03A7BCE0@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" To: "'cnorloff@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Cost of riding, was: Who rode in today? Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 13:41:17 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Listed below is some information I sent to Jeannette last night because she thought operating a bike was cheaper too. These are my observations and this applies to Hugh's message about savings in gas. Also I think a scooter isn't very equivalent to an econo-box. Most scooters can hardly maintain the speed limit, which as we know the average speed on the Beltway is about 70. Even my crappy Corolla can maintain 80 pretty easily. I think a good comparison might be something like my little 500 Magna or a 750 Nighthawk. Here is the message: Tires for your average cage... 4 of them with a 75,000 mile warranty for $200. Bikes, well $200 for a set that might last 10,000 (if your lucky). We won't even get into mounting and balancing costs. Our bikes the rear goes out every 5,000 or so, and the fronts around 8,000. Something like a Honda Civic gets close to 40 MPG which isn't far off from a bike. Tune ups... my Magna needs new plugs every 4,000 miles, the VFR, 8,000 miles. Those plugs are over $4 each mail order! The plugs for my Corolla? $0.99 at the local dealer and they last 30,000 miles. Newer cars have plugs that cost the same as bike plugs but they last 60,000 and 100,000 miles Oil filters. Bike filters mail order are still $7 or more. I get car filters for $3 (OEM too). Then there is insurance, I'd bet the average price for bike insurance is higher then car insurance. Glenn -----Original Message----- From: Chris Norloff [mailto:cnorloff@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, January 28, 2000 1:24 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Cost of riding, was: Who rode in today? Anybody have real numbers? I mean, what YOU paid per mile to operate your motorcycle - purchase price (minus current value), insurance, taxes, inspection fees, gas & oil, maintenance, tires, parts, etc. It'd be interesting to add in the riding gear, but if you'd own that anyway for fun, then it doesn't add into the commuting equation. I haven't collected those kind of numbers myself, but always figured that my $1,000 bikes offset any increase in operating costs ($300 in tires lasts 10,000 mi. on a bike, 30,000+ mi. on a car). Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 28 13:47:20 2000 Return-Path: mriderleon@XXXXXX Received: from web901.mail.yahoo.com (web901.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.76]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA29752 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 13:47:19 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 16365 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Jan 2000 18:27:17 -0000 Message-ID: <20000128182717.16364.qmail@web901.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.229.31.23] by web901.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 10:27:17 PST Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 10:27:17 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: RE: the long run To: "'DC Cycles'" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I don't care if it's more expensive to ride a bike (I'm pretty sure it is, since it was the last time I kept track of the costs. Honda SilverWing vs Chevy ElCamino) I've saved some of the extra cost by taking the car off the road. I know that the Ninja 250 costs much more to operate than the SilverWing did. > What I'm referring to is pure commuting mile per > mile, not parking charges > and the like. If you don't include all expenses, it isn't a fair comparison. This is probably the most common way of 'cooking' the numbers to show that your preconceived notion is better. > I mean if you want to bring up > parking charges I can always > bring up the things with a bike that you won't need > to buy or EVER replace > with an econo-box, such as helmets, boots, leathers > and/or a riding suit, > rain suit, gloves, electric clothing for winter > time, etc. Again these should be included. These costs need to be pro-rated if you would own both a car and a bike anyway. . . . snipped quote about smiling in econo-boxes . . . I don't care what the vehicle is, I smile when I start to move. (somewhat less so when I don't get to drive or navigate) Leon. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 28 14:24:43 2000 Return-Path: ljtanner@XXXXXX Received: from www0l.netaddress.usa.net (www0l.netaddress.usa.net [204.68.24.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA00459 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 14:24:18 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 9215 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Jan 2000 19:24:07 -0000 Message-ID: <20000128192407.9214.qmail@www0l.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.41 by www0l for [162.70.131.75] via web-mailer(M3.3.1.96) on Fri Jan 28 19:24:07 GMT 2000 Date: 28 Jan 00 14:24:07 EST From: LindaT To: dc Subject: 98 XX for Sale X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.3.1.96) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable First off, it's not me, contact the seller for more info: LindaT. Springfield, VA, USA 99 R1100RT name tbd 95 F3 Purple Haze (66K miles and counting) 00 KLR250 Tenzing (0 miles and not counting) http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ 1998 Honda CBR1100XX Only 3000 miles, all stock $8500. Contact Doug Jones at djones@XXXXXX (301)650-0994p Thanks, DJ ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webm= ail.netscape.com. From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 28 14:28:06 2000 Return-Path: Glenn.Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc014.hqda.pentagon.mil ([134.11.235.13]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA00548 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 14:28:04 -0500 (EST) Received: by emh1.hqda.pentagon.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 14:27:14 -0500 Message-ID: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46F03A7BCE2@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" To: "'Leon Begeman'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: the long run Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 14:27:12 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) > What I'm referring to is pure commuting mile per > mile, not parking charges > and the like. >If you don't include all expenses, it isn't a fair >comparison. This is probably the most common way of >'cooking' the numbers to show that your preconceived >notion is better. Well for me I have no parking costs, and like I said I'm sure plenty of others don't either. Also, some garages don't care if you are in a car or a bike you ARE going to pay the same rate so I this doesn't apply to me. > I mean if you want to bring up > parking charges I can always > bring up the things with a bike that you won't need > to buy or EVER replace > with an econo-box, such as helmets, boots, leathers > and/or a riding suit, > rain suit, gloves, electric clothing for winter > time, etc. >Again these should be included. These costs need to >be pro-rated if you would own both a car and a bike >anyway. Like I said it doesn't apply to me and won't for many others and really doesn't have anything to do with operating costs anyway. Glenn >. . . snipped quote about smiling in econo-boxes . . . >I don't care what the vehicle is, I smile when I start >to move. (somewhat less so when I don't get to drive >or navigate) Very true and I agree with you but again it has nothing to do with operating costs. Glenn From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 28 14:39:01 2000 Return-Path: SBave@XXXXXX Received: from imo-d10.mx (imo-d10.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA00745 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 14:39:00 -0500 (EST) From: SBave@XXXXXX Received: from SBave@XXXXXX by imo-d10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.8.) id f.10.780e37 (6695); Fri, 28 Jan 2000 14:37:21 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <10.780e37.25c349f1@aol.com> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 14:37:21 EST Subject: Re: the long run To: Glenn.Dysart@XXXXXX, mriderleon@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 45 In a message dated 1/28/00 2:33:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, Glenn.Dysart@XXXXXX writes: << Very true and I agree with you but again it has nothing to do with operating costs. >> Are you trying to justify why you ride? Or just curious? Or bored? :) Steve Broadstreet Concours From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 28 14:43:13 2000 Return-Path: mKitchell@XXXXXX Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com ([208.249.27.4]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA00854 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 14:43:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mkitchellws2.qualitystrategies.com (208.249.27.62 [208.249.27.62]) by qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id DZ25ACKH; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 14:43:20 -0500 Message-ID: <004401bf69c7$e818a1c0$3e1bf9d0@mkitchellws2.qualitystrategies.com> Reply-To: "Mark Kitchell" From: "Mark Kitchell" To: "dc" Subject: Re: 98 XX for Sale Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 14:43:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 For that price I could get a new VFR. Hmmm..... -----Original Message----- From: LindaT To: dc Date: Friday, January 28, 2000 2:40 PM Subject: 98 XX for Sale First off, it's not me, contact the seller for more info: LindaT. Springfield, VA, USA 99 R1100RT name tbd 95 F3 Purple Haze (66K miles and counting) 00 KLR250 Tenzing (0 miles and not counting) http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ 1998 Honda CBR1100XX Only 3000 miles, all stock $8500. Contact Doug Jones at djones@XXXXXX (301)650-0994p Thanks, DJ ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 28 14:45:15 2000 Return-Path: Glenn.Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc014.hqda.pentagon.mil ([134.11.235.13]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA00931 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 14:45:14 -0500 (EST) Received: by emh1.hqda.pentagon.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 14:43:17 -0500 Message-ID: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46F03A7BCE3@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" To: "'SBave@XXXXXX'" , "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" , mriderleon@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: the long run Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 14:43:15 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Just merely pointing out that riding is in no means cheaper then driving a car. Nothing more, nothing less. Glenn -----Original Message----- Are you trying to justify why you ride? Or just curious? Or bored? :) Steve Broadstreet Concours From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 28 14:51:10 2000 Return-Path: DGlassJr@XXXXXX Received: from imo-d08.mx.aol.com (imo-d08.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.40]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA01029 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 14:51:09 -0500 (EST) From: DGlassJr@XXXXXX Received: from DGlassJr@XXXXXX by imo-d08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.8.) id 2.97.11b8eb7 (3933) for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 14:49:48 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <97.11b8eb7.25c34cdb@aol.com> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 14:49:47 EST Subject: Looking for a Duck To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 45 I'm finally in a position to purchase my dream bike. I want a 996 and was wondering if anyone has experiences with local dealers, both good and bad. Now that Honda has the new V twin RC51, I was hoping I might find a dealer willing to negotiate. Any input would be appreciated. I will have to sell the Superhawk, so if anyone is interested in a 98 with appx. 5500 miles on it let me know. Thanks, Don From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 28 15:14:18 2000 Return-Path: mKitchell@XXXXXX Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com ([208.249.27.4]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA01404 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 15:14:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from mkitchellws2.qualitystrategies.com (208.249.27.62 [208.249.27.62]) by qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id DZ25ACLG; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 15:14:19 -0500 Message-ID: <007f01bf69cc$3bc9f7c0$3e1bf9d0@mkitchellws2.qualitystrategies.com> Reply-To: "Mark Kitchell" From: "Mark Kitchell" To: , Subject: Re: Looking for a Duck Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 15:14:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Don: Awesome. My 'dream' bike too. This may be a stretch, but Ducati offers a Buy-Ride-Fly program. Basically, you buy the bike at MSRP from your local dealer. You then fly to Italy, ride the bike there before Ducati crates it and ships to the US (they pay for that). You also get your choice of $600 worth of Ducati parts or clothes. The trip is about $5000, which is steep, but if you have money to burn..... >From www.lotustours.com -----Original Message----- From: DGlassJr@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Friday, January 28, 2000 3:09 PM Subject: Looking for a Duck >I'm finally in a position to purchase my dream bike. I want a 996 and was >wondering if anyone has experiences with local dealers, both good and bad. >Now that Honda has the new V twin RC51, I was hoping I might find a dealer >willing to negotiate. Any input would be appreciated. I will have to sell the >Superhawk, so if anyone is interested in a 98 with appx. 5500 miles on it let >me know. >Thanks, Don From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 28 15:21:45 2000 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA01596 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 15:21:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA02146 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 15:21:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from kens.com (kens.com [129.250.30.40]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA21300 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 15:21:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from kens.com (kens.com [129.250.30.40]) by kens.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA09542; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 15:20:38 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 15:20:38 -0500 (EST) From: Ken Woods To: Todd Peer cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Is it helmet law time yet? In-Reply-To: <000101bf69be$766386c0$45892ca6@toddnt.mcit.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 28 Jan 2000, Todd Peer wrote: > Just FYI, I think ABATE has it's heart in the right place, they just > need to get their facts straight and start working the "choice" side > of the issue more (IMNSHO). Sounds alot like the NRA. 1. They both are saying that it's about freedom. 2. They both are lobbying against pro-helmet/anti-gun laws. 3. They both are very powerful organizations, with a large following. -- Ken Woods kwoods@XXXXXX "Let's start a gun thread!!!" From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 28 15:51:29 2000 Return-Path: twg@XXXXXX Received: from mongoose.slip.net (www2.sntccaidc.firstworld.net [216.127.92.130]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA02070 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 15:51:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from shell.slip.net ([207.171.193.17] helo=slip-3.slip.net) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 3.12 #1) id 12EILW-0001LF-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 12:50:22 -0800 Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 12:50:52 -0800 (PST) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Is it helmet law time yet? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Running, Ducking, Reloading. On Fri, 28 Jan 2000, Ken Woods wrote: > On Fri, 28 Jan 2000, Todd Peer wrote: > > > Just FYI, I think ABATE has it's heart in the right place, they just > > need to get their facts straight and start working the "choice" side > > of the issue more (IMNSHO). > > Sounds alot like the NRA. > 1. They both are saying that it's about freedom. > 2. They both are lobbying against pro-helmet/anti-gun laws. > 3. They both are very powerful organizations, with a large following. > > -- > Ken Woods > kwoods@XXXXXX > "Let's start a gun thread!!!" > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 28 16:25:12 2000 Return-Path: horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mail.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA02642 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 16:25:11 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 16:24:51 -0500 Message-Id: <200001281624.AA105710176@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Horkster" Reply-To: To: "dc" Subject: Re: 98 XX for Sale X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Mark Kitchell" >For that price I could get a new VFR. Hmmm..... Maybe that guy is tired of having the third fastest bike on the planet? :) "Uh-oh, the old girl is getting too slow, gotta upgrade!" :) Horkster (doin just fine with my 126 mph scoot) -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) Horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi -- From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 28 17:52:51 2000 Return-Path: MOTO748@XXXXXX Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (imo27.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA04210 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 17:52:50 -0500 (EST) From: MOTO748@XXXXXX Received: from MOTO748@XXXXXX by imo27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.8.) id 2.d8.127b6ce (9623) for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 17:52:10 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 17:52:09 EST Subject: re: Looking for a Duck To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 39 Don, I'm not sure how far you are willing to drive but if you are looking for a reputable Ducati dealer you should take the time to look at MotoEuropa in Richmond. I'll start by first telling you that they sponsor me for both WERA and CCS events. They are a small shop but sell Ducati exclusively. They are a shop that welcomes patrons wether you are there to buy or just enjoy the doughnuts and coffee. Their moto is "We always have fresh coffee." I don't know what you look for in a Dealer but I' like being treated as a customer not just another potential sale. I don't have to tell you about Coleman's. I've been there when more than a few people have taken bikes for test rides..... If you are interested you can reach them at (804)355-0550 ask for Mark and tell him what you are looking for. If you think about it tell him Jeff says "hi". Good luck, I know you'll enjoy your new bike wherever you decide to buy. If you have any questions feel free to contact me, I'll help in any way I can. Take care, Jeff Jeff Ozmen 97 DUC 748 97 YZF 600 95 DUC 900 SP 91 YAM TZR 250 From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 28 19:38:03 2000 Return-Path: Gawthrop@XXXXXX Received: from imo24.mx.aol.com (imo24.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.68]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA06030 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 19:38:01 -0500 (EST) From: Gawthrop@XXXXXX Received: from Gawthrop@XXXXXX by imo24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.8.) id l.ac.96e554 (4326); Fri, 28 Jan 2000 19:36:22 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 19:36:22 EST Subject: ABATE and Gun laws (Apples and Oranges) To: twg@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX CC: Gawthrop@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 45 Huh, I have a question. The reference to ABATE's interaction with the gun laws.... <> I sit on the ABATE of Maryland Meetings... Gun laws are NOT part of our agenda....and not part of our discussions as a motorcycle forum. Can who ever makes that assertion tell me the source of his/her information? (Beware before answering this...I'll ask for specifics; name, address, phone number, capacity as an ABATE officer. Folks with bad information need to be questioned critically and in a public forum. If you know of an ABATE officer who is mixing the ABATE agenda with the NRA agenda...name him/her, follow it up with your name and then give it to me and I'll carry it from there with the obligation to get back to this forum. This is put up or shut up time. ABATE of Maryland's focus is M/C issues...only. Now, who speaks?? Bill Gawthrop 1504 Chapman Rd Crofton, Maryland 21114 410-451-2610 ABATE of Maryland Anne Arundel County Chapter. From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 28 19:42:25 2000 Return-Path: v4mofo@XXXXXX Received: from c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com (c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com [24.5.28.205]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA06129 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 19:42:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from ts002d18.phx-az.concentric.net [207.155.236.78] by c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 16:42:13 -0800 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: heh.. Helmit laws? Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 17:40:10 -0700 Message-ID: <000101bf69f1$6607b840$4eec9bcf@tra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 It's a law - because of the massive divison of ALL motorcyclist, no law against (or for) motorcyclist will be put in place or overturned. What's the thing about assholes and opinions? Yea, you're not going to change mine - so stop trying to drive me away with the NEGATIVES. Rather, try to draw me to help you by telling me the POSITIVES. As for cars vs. bikes for cheapness.. cars, hands down. To bad I don't want to be one of those people locked in the cage, looking like they're dreading going to work... I'll enjoy the ride, eat the extra cost, and smile a bit more. (Look in the windows of cagers on the commute.. how many of THEM are smiling? Are you smiling? I know I do!) Cheers, Brian McCoy (whee, tearing in Honda 350 engines!) From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 28 19:50:51 2000 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA06273 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 19:50:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA03400 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 19:50:48 -0500 (EST) From: Gawthrop@XXXXXX Received: from imo-d01.mx.aol.com (imo-d01.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.33]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA07736 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 19:50:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from Gawthrop@XXXXXX by imo-d01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.8.) id v.50.dc6678 (4326) for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 19:50:14 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <50.dc6678.25c39345@aol.com> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 19:50:13 EST Subject: ABATE - 2nd Point To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 45 A writer wrote: << I think ABATE has it's heart in the right place, they just need to get their facts straight >> Another point to consider. ABATE is NOT a national organization. It is not like the Republican or Democrat party where there is a national organization. When you say ABATE - you need to clarify ABATE of which state. There is no national ABATE. The arguments posted earlier are not necessarily supported by the individual states. TEST: Has anyone reading this particular thread read the ABATE of MARYLAND's position paper on this issue? If so, answer this: What color is the cover page? If you have not read the INDIVIDUAL State position, it's wrong to say "ABATE says". There are a bunch of ABATE's but not a National ABATE. SOOooooooo, which ABATE were we talking about in the original thread? Maryland? If not, let's clarify it. (The aim here is not to sharp shoot anyone - but to make sure that our comments are precise and accurate. ) Bill Gawthrop Maryland From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 28 21:01:15 2000 Return-Path: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (imo13.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA07576 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 21:01:14 -0500 (EST) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.8.) id 2.a2.11a88 (2717); Fri, 28 Jan 2000 21:00:36 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 21:00:36 EST Subject: Re: Looking for a Duck To: DGlassJr@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) I got my Duck from Battley up in rockville/olney MD. They weren't too bad, and actually dealt a little on the price. Initial impression was good, and I liked their sales staff. However, I was not impressed with their service department after taking the bike for it's first maint (Gee, we don't have to tighten ALL the screws, do we?). The thing was leaking oil from 2 places due to an untightened oil fixture and engine cover screws. Since then, I found a place called motoeuropa in Richmond... If I were you, I'd make the trip. They are a Ducati dealer and specialist, and sponsored dc-cycles racing rider and teammate Jeff Ozman this year out at the track on his 748. If you go, please let them know where you found out about them :) Check them out at http://www.motoeuropa.com You other two choices are Coleman (I actually went there to look at one... would have been nice if ANYONE in the shop wanted to help or speak to me) and Valley Cycle up in Winchester, which I know nothing about. - Brian In a message dated Fri, 28 Jan 2000 2:57:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, DGlassJr@XXXXXX writes: > I'm finally in a position to purchase my dream bike. I want a 996 and was > wondering if anyone has experiences with local dealers, both good and bad. > Now that Honda has the new V twin RC51, I was hoping I might find a dealer > willing to negotiate. Any input would be appreciated. I will have to sell the > Superhawk, so if anyone is interested in a 98 with appx. 5500 miles on it let > me know. > Thanks, Don From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 28 22:45:49 2000 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from web302.mail.yahoo.com (web302.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.233]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA09264 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 22:45:47 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 2227 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Jan 2000 03:45:06 -0000 Message-ID: <20000129034506.2226.qmail@web302.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.213.156.121] by web302.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 19:45:06 PST Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 19:45:06 -0800 (PST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: cost of riding To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Glenn, A scooter can't keep up??? Those honda sprees will easily maintain 55-60.. certain models will top over 80! I don't know which would win a cost/mile comparison, but I think for a commute to inside the beltway, the 2 wheeler is going to make out with the ability to use HOV. free/cheaper parking, ease of manueverability, etc. Where I grew up, all the rich punk little teenagers would have daddy buy them the little scooters... I saw dozens of them receive next to nothing for maintenance and still be going strong after thousands of miles (I knew one girl that had 20k miles without an oil change and the little beasty ket running strong.. Honda makes some pretty good machines ) What about the argument or buying a el cheapo (sub $1k) decent shape mid 80's UJM... see em for sale every spring...Pick one up cheap, put IRC tires (cheap as cars but decent tires) which last about 15-18k miles, cheap dino oil for the changes, and just put in gas and go... ride it for a few seasons...then if it starts getting beat, repeat the process...I think in the long run (say 200,000 miles) it might be close on total money spent (factoring original costs)...(I'm guessing about 100,000 miles over 2 bikes... seems reasonable with my UJM experience and minimal maintenance..especially if you snag a shaft drive) CT ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 28 22:50:54 2000 Return-Path: MOTO748@XXXXXX Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA09348 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 22:50:53 -0500 (EST) From: MOTO748@XXXXXX Received: from MOTO748@XXXXXX by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.8.) id 2.26.1323fc1 (4260) for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 22:50:17 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <26.1323fc1.25c3bd78@aol.com> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 22:50:16 EST Subject: Re: apples and oranges To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 39 Hey Bill, you might want to loosen your shorts a little. You sound a little uptight about this ABATE/NRA thing. I believe he was making a PERSONAL observation not peeing on your committee tea party, and besides you should never pass up the opportunity for a good gun thread. Jeff Ozmen join the NRA protect my right to bear armed motorcycles DUCATI .748 cal. From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 28 23:06:21 2000 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from web302.mail.yahoo.com (web302.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.233]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA09584 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 23:06:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 4334 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Jan 2000 04:06:09 -0000 Message-ID: <20000129040609.4333.qmail@web302.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.213.156.121] by web302.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 20:06:09 PST Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 20:06:09 -0800 (PST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: cost of riding (more) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Damn.. teach me to not finish reading all of your post before replying Glenn!!... Some of your bike numbers are a bit inflated for a simple commuter bike... Your mileage sounded more like performance tires... put on a touring tire on a cruising style bike and you will easily see 15k miles or more at a cost of around $100/set ...still a tad more than a cars tires, BUT not too far off. Plugs... for a commuter, why put in resister plugs that cost that $4?? put in non resistor plugs... NGK are $2 or just get the champions at $0.99 apiece...and every 4k is a little ambitious...if you're just commuting around on the bike not riding it hard, you can put off plugs for seemingly ever with little drop in mileage or cruising performance...(again... talking about a cheap commuter bike).. Dino oil is the same for each, and I wouldn't hesitate to ride a UJM for 6-7k between oil changes (or longer in pepe's case!! lol) Filters can be as low as $4 for bikes to mail order...(even OEM.. although a bit harder to find at that price...) Liability only for a mid size UJM (maxim 650 maybe??) is pretty close to that of an econobox...(assuming a clean record, over 25 rider). Even though one would think of having gear anyway for our pleasure side of riding.. lets look at that too... You can buy an Aerostitch for about $700 new, or get good riding suits for considerably less from M/C Leather Exchange or similar places. summer gloves $40, winter gloves $40 (both decent olympias), boots about $80 for a decent set of over the ankle work boots, and finally, a decent helmet for about $200 (Shoei RF-800s in plain colors... or HJCs for even less). Most of these items will last over the life of the comparison (probably longer for the stitch).. so gear adds on around $1100... All in all, this has been a pretty fun thread... bottom line is most all of us here prefer to be on bikes any chnce we get regardless of the costs ;-) Collin (and yeah... I'll admit it...the bikes are very much parked for me... only a half mile to school, so I can't justify fighting the snow, ice, and sub 20 temps!) ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 28 23:18:20 2000 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from web305.mail.yahoo.com (web305.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA09732 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 23:18:18 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 3923 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Jan 2000 04:18:11 -0000 Message-ID: <20000129041811.3922.qmail@web305.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.213.156.121] by web305.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 20:18:11 PST Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 20:18:11 -0800 (PST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: Dream bike To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Don, Have you ever ridden a 916/996?? Not tryig to totally disuade you, but having ridden around on one some, I can definitely vouch that the ONLY thing the are good for is back road carving. Any time you aren't doing something to get the adrenaline pumping, it becomes a painful bike! The only saving grace for the 996 (and the Aprillia Mille) is that they fit taller riders much better... (I'm 5'10" and the Mille is very awkward feeling) This coming from someone who LIKES commuting and 500+ mile days on a 93-95 GSXR... I'd hate to see someone get their dream bike, then rarely ride it because it only met one small aspect of their riding needs and after the expense of the 996, not be able to afford a second bike for all the other needs... You've already got a hell of a nice bike in the VTR!! And for most street riding you aren't gainning much in the 996. And as you already mentioned.. the RC-51 will be here soon (good luck finding one I hear)... ACK!!! two posts in one day that I've talked about how nice Honda's are!!! hehehe I really think I had better stroke my Suzukis a few times out in the shed to soothe their feers...lol (and not stroke em like *that* you perverts!!) and also spend lots and lots of time in the suzuki, aprillia, and duc booths at the bike show tomorrow!! hehehe Collin ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 28 23:21:26 2000 Return-Path: biga@XXXXXX Received: from lycanthrope.crosslink.net (lycanthrope.crosslink.net [206.246.124.36]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA09826 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 23:21:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from norc (dyn54.c5200-2.king-george.246.crosslink.net [206.246.117.183]) by lycanthrope.crosslink.net (8.9.3/) with SMTP id XAA05898 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 23:21:23 -0500 X-Really-To: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000128232020.009c3a00@biga.pop.crosslink.net> X-Sender: biga@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 23:20:20 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Andrew Culpepper Subject: Re: Looking for a Duck In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The Winchester Indian Motorcycle dealer just started carrying Ducatis in addition to their Guzzis and Triumphs (no Indians). I've heard that the mechanic at MotoEuropa is hard to beat though. Andrew =A4=BA=B0`=B0=BA=A4=F8,=B8=B8,=F8=A4=BA=B0`=B0=BA=A4=F8=A4=BA=B0`=B0=BA=A4= =F8,=B8=B8,=F8=A4=BA=B0`=B0=BA=A4=F8=A4=BA=B0`=B0=BA=A4=F8,=B8=B8,=F8=A4=BA= =B0`=B0=BA=A4=F8=A4=BA=B0`=B0=BA=A4=F8,=B8 J. Andrew Culpepper KD4KLS '90 EX500 '84 GPz550 King George, VA Phone/Fax (540) 775-3984 From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 28 23:21:28 2000 Return-Path: biga@XXXXXX Received: from lycanthrope.crosslink.net (lycanthrope.crosslink.net [206.246.124.36]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA09829 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 23:21:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from norc (dyn54.c5200-2.king-george.246.crosslink.net [206.246.117.183]) by lycanthrope.crosslink.net (8.9.3/) with SMTP id XAA05904 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 23:21:24 -0500 X-Really-To: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000128232112.009f3d10@biga.pop.crosslink.net> X-Sender: biga@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 23:21:12 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Andrew Culpepper Subject: RE: Cost of riding In-Reply-To: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46F03A7BCE0@dadc040.hqda.pent agon.mil> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, Just wanted to point out that we're not necessarily comparing apples with apples. A Geo Metro may be cheaper to operate than F4 but a fairer comparison would be with something like a new Vette or a Porsche, etc. After all, we're having fun on the way to work. Try comparing expenses of a KE100 with an econocage. Andrew =A4=BA=B0`=B0=BA=A4=F8,=B8=B8,=F8=A4=BA=B0`=B0=BA=A4=F8=A4=BA=B0`=B0=BA=A4= =F8,=B8=B8,=F8=A4=BA=B0`=B0=BA=A4=F8=A4=BA=B0`=B0=BA=A4=F8,=B8=B8,=F8=A4=BA= =B0`=B0=BA=A4=F8=A4=BA=B0`=B0=BA=A4=F8,=B8 J. Andrew Culpepper KD4KLS '90 EX500 '84 GPz550 King George, VA Phone/Fax (540) 775-3984 From dc-cycles-request Sat Jan 29 00:09:25 2000 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo-d01.mx.aol.com (imo-d01.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.33]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA10552 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2000 00:09:24 -0500 (EST) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo-d01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.8.) id 2.be.dd054d (4188) for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2000 00:08:44 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 00:08:44 EST Subject: Re: cost of riding To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 45 In a message dated 1/28/00 10:50:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, gixer_racer@XXXXXX writes: << A scooter can't keep up??? Those honda sprees will easily maintain 55-60.. certain models will top over 80! >> You've got 50cc scooters in Italy that can be legally ridden by 14 year olds that do 60 MPH once the kids take off the restrictors (a day after they buy them). The big scooters 125cc plus go quite fast stock. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Sat Jan 29 09:01:38 2000 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA22741 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2000 09:01:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from iguana (216-164-137-154.s408.tnt4.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com [216.164.137.154]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA00647 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2000 09:01:03 -0500 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000129085922.00a0b9f0@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 09:01:00 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike T Subject: Baltimore Bike Show Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Anyone going to the Baltimore bike show today? I'll be up there with a neighbor. Have no idea what kind of bikes they have. Should be interesting. If you wind up going, I'm wearing a VFR shirt and have what has been termed a 'death row' haircut ;-) _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Sat Jan 29 10:08:05 2000 Return-Path: kwoods@XXXXXX Received: from kens.com (kens.com [129.250.30.40]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA24078 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2000 10:08:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from kens.com (kens.com [129.250.30.40]) by kens.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA21820; Sat, 29 Jan 2000 10:07:53 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 10:07:53 -0500 (EST) From: Ken Woods To: Gawthrop@XXXXXX cc: twg@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: ABATE and Gun laws (Apples and Oranges) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 28 Jan 2000 Gawthrop@XXXXXX wrote: > Huh, I have a question. > The reference to ABATE's interaction with the gun laws.... > <> What? Dude, you need to relax. Dissect this: Both are lobbying. ABATE is lobbying against pro-helmet laws. The NRA is lobbying against anti-gun laws. (snip, diatribe written by someone who is emotional attached to the issue) -- Ken Woods kwoods@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Sat Jan 29 11:49:48 2000 Return-Path: SBave@XXXXXX Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (imo27.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA25999 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2000 11:49:47 -0500 (EST) From: SBave@XXXXXX Received: from SBave@XXXXXX by imo27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.8.) id 2.b6.ad09af (4394); Sat, 29 Jan 2000 11:49:06 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 11:49:06 EST Subject: Re: Looking for a Duck To: BryanRoach@XXXXXX, DGlassJr@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 45 In a message dated 1/28/00 9:11:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, BryanRoach@XXXXXX writes: << Valley Cycle up in Winchester, which I know nothing about. >> valley Cycles no longer sells Ducati...They sold the franchise to Winchester Indian In Clearbrook, VA. If anyone needs more info give me a holler... Steve Broadstreet Winchester Concours From dc-cycles-request Sat Jan 29 13:46:40 2000 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA27961 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2000 13:46:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA09552 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2000 13:46:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from PMESMTP01.wcom.com (pmesmtp01.wcom.com [199.249.20.1]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA28605 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2000 13:46:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com ([166.37.204.49]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42256) with ESMTP id <0FP30004MXP77R@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sat, 29 Jan 2000 17:24:43 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omta1.mcit.com (omta1.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id RAA10212 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2000 17:24:45 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.44.137.250]) by omta1.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <20000129172130.WTSI31786@toddnt> for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2000 11:21:30 -0600 Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 12:19:22 -0500 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: ABATE - 2nd Point In-reply-to: <50.dc6678.25c39345@aol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <000201bf6a7c$fc207de0$45892ca6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal If you are seeking clarification, see the forwarded post by Mike Troutman from a person named Cutter, dated 1/28/2000 @12:10pm. Cutter signs off as President ABATE Local 15, Contra Costa County and President, ABATE Local 14, Alameda County. Now, not to mince words, can I presume that one of the pinnacle beefs any ABATE organization is concerned with are Federally mandated statutes requiring motorcyclists wear a helmet? And further, is it not a high priority for each of these ABATE organizations to fight these laws? If I say ABATE and I'm talking about helmet laws, I think I'm pretty well covered by not having to name each and every ABATE organization that exists. Mike Troutman asked for comments on the points attempted by Cutter. I offered mine. I wasn't singling out ABATE of Maryland. However, to your statement that "The arguments posted earlier are not necessarily supported by the individual states [ABATE organization(s)]", I say so what? In my mind ABATE is ABATE regardless of the distinctions of geography where it comes to the helmet law debate. I do understand the need for local and state focus but if I hear ABATE, I don't necessarily think of your local or state group. Sort of like hearing the "AMA". Now let me amend my earlier statement: I think [all] ABATE has it's heart in the right place, they just need to get nationally organized and get their facts straight. Todd Peer Springfield, VA > -----Original Message----- > From: Gawthrop@XXXXXX [mailto:Gawthrop@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, January 28, 2000 7:50 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: ABATE - 2nd Point > > > A writer wrote: > > << I think ABATE has it's heart in the right place, they just need to > get their facts straight >> > > > Another point to consider. ABATE is NOT a national organization. > It is not like the Republican or Democrat party where there is a national > organization. > > When you say ABATE - you need to clarify ABATE of which state. > There is no > national ABATE. The arguments posted earlier are not necessarily > supported > by the individual states. TEST: Has anyone reading this > particular thread > read the ABATE of MARYLAND's position paper on this issue? If so, answer > this: What color is the cover page? If you have not read the > INDIVIDUAL > State position, it's wrong to say "ABATE says". There are a > bunch of ABATE's > but not a National ABATE. > > SOOooooooo, which ABATE were we talking about in the original thread? > Maryland? If not, let's clarify it. > > (The aim here is not to sharp shoot anyone - but to make sure that our > comments are precise and accurate. ) > > Bill Gawthrop > Maryland > From dc-cycles-request Sat Jan 29 14:29:33 2000 Return-Path: ipeverywhere@XXXXXX Received: from web3105.mail.yahoo.com (web3105.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.202.190]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA28567 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2000 14:29:31 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20000129192851.25514.qmail@web3105.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.28.208.219] by web3105.mail.yahoo.com; Sat, 29 Jan 2000 11:28:51 PST Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 11:28:51 -0800 (PST) From: Ryan McClune Subject: Where is everyone? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I only saw one other rider out today. Please let me know I was traveling down the wrong roads. Also, can anyone recommend some decent gloves for cold weather riding? My fingers were the only parts that got really cold thanks to the new Aerostich. I now recommend the Aerostich suite. After only using it once it seems like some really good (and innovative) riding gear. If their advertising holds up this may be the best commuter (read non-competition) suite for the money. Get a backprotector tho. . there really isn't much back there without it. During the odd chance that there is no snow tomorrow and the roads stay dry who is organizing a pre/post (or even during, I could care less about this game) ride? Please forward me details. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 30 01:51:18 2000 Return-Path: zellto@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.156]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA09705 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2000 01:51:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from zellto (adsl-151-200-16-190.bellatlantic.net [151.200.16.190]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id BAA20943 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2000 01:51:08 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <003c01bf6aef$2f85f760$be10c897@bellatlantic.net> From: "Thomas and Jeannette" To: Subject: Superbowl Party Update... Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 01:56:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0039_01BF6AC5.463A7140" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0039_01BF6AC5.463A7140 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable We are still having our party but due to the weather we are not = expecting a big turnout. If you can make it safely then by all means = please come. If not then there is always next year. =20 Hope to see you guys this evening! -Tom ------=_NextPart_000_0039_01BF6AC5.463A7140 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
We are still having our party but due to the weather = we are=20 not expecting a big turnout. If you can make it safely then by all = means=20 please come. If not then there is always next year. =

Hope to see you guys this evening!

-Tom
------=_NextPart_000_0039_01BF6AC5.463A7140-- From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 30 20:46:44 2000 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA28233 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2000 20:46:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-39.patriot.net [209.249.181.39]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA14521; Sun, 30 Jan 2000 20:46:20 -0500 Message-ID: <3894E91D.2EA7E4D9@patriot.net> Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 20:45:02 -0500 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gawthrop@XXXXXX CC: twg@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: ABATE and Gun laws (Apples and Oranges) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mason-Dixon Chapter. Unless you consider being asked to support/pass out literature/door knock and vocally support candidates who are NRA pimps *not* being involved. Usually said NRA pimp is also in support on no hats for idiots also. I reckon that qualifies him/her to protect our cc permits ad nausiem. Bill Gawthrop@XXXXXX wrote: > Huh, I have a question. > The reference to ABATE's interaction with the gun laws.... > <> > > I sit on the ABATE of Maryland Meetings... > Gun laws are NOT part of our agenda....and not part of our discussions as a > motorcycle forum. > > Can who ever makes that assertion tell me the source of his/her information? > (Beware before answering this...I'll ask for specifics; name, address, phone > number, capacity as an ABATE officer. Folks with bad information need to be > questioned critically and in a public forum. If you know of an ABATE officer > who is mixing the ABATE agenda with the NRA agenda...name him/her, follow it > up with your name and then give it to me and I'll carry it from there with > the obligation to get back to this forum. This is put up or shut up time. > ABATE of Maryland's focus is M/C issues...only. > > Now, who speaks?? > > Bill Gawthrop > 1504 Chapman Rd > Crofton, Maryland 21114 > 410-451-2610 > ABATE of Maryland > Anne Arundel County Chapter. From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 31 07:55:58 2000 Return-Path: mriderleon@XXXXXX Received: from web901.mail.yahoo.com (web901.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.76]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA10733 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2000 07:55:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 2889 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Jan 2000 12:55:54 -0000 Message-ID: <20000131125554.2888.qmail@web901.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.229.31.23] by web901.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 31 Jan 2000 04:55:54 PST Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 04:55:54 -0800 (PST) From: Leon Begeman Subject: ride today? To: DCCycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Yes. Main roads were pretty good this morning, DC city and local sub-division streets less so. I didn't get out yesterday. Took the ZX6 out Saturday night for a short ride. Leon. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 31 08:14:43 2000 Return-Path: Glenn.Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc014.hqda.pentagon.mil ([134.11.235.13]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA11028 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2000 08:14:42 -0500 (EST) Received: by emh1.hqda.pentagon.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 31 Jan 2000 08:13:55 -0500 Message-ID: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46F03A7BCEE@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" To: "'Collin T. Fagan'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: cost of riding (more) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 08:13:49 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Believe me my numbers are actual numbers. I guess you could go further on some things but that's not the point. And yes my Mange's book says to change the plugs every 4000 miles. I've taken them out at 6000 before and they were in pretty bad shape. The VFR plugs I haven't had a chance to change yet and they have close to 10K miles and still seem fine. But since the book says 8000 I'll be changing them when I get the chance. But even tires that last 15K miles, you are still losing money on the bike because that's almost double the cost for tires alone. Like I said its nothing to get a set of car tires to do 75K miles for only about $200. Heck, the ones on my car lasted 65K miles and I abused the hell out of them. And agreed, I think we' all rather be on bikes, just wish parts were not so expensive. Glenn -----Original Message----- Damn.. teach me to not finish reading all of your post before replying Glenn!!... Some of your bike numbers are a bit inflated for a simple commuter bike... Your mileage sounded more like performance tires... put on a touring tire on a cruising style bike and you will easily see 15k miles or more at a cost of around $100/set ...still a tad more than a cars tires, BUT not too far off. Plugs... for a commuter, why put in resister plugs that cost that $4?? put in non resistor plugs... NGK are $2 or just get the champions at $0.99 apiece...and every 4k is a little ambitious...if you're just commuting around on the bike not riding it hard, you can put off plugs for seemingly ever with little drop in mileage or cruising performance...(again... talking about a cheap commuter bike).. Dino oil is the same for each, and I wouldn't hesitate to ride a UJM for 6-7k between oil changes (or longer in pepe's case!! lol) Filters can be as low as $4 for bikes to mail order...(even OEM.. although a bit harder to find at that price...) Liability only for a mid size UJM (maxim 650 maybe??) is pretty close to that of an econobox...(assuming a clean record, over 25 rider). Even though one would think of having gear anyway for our pleasure side of riding.. lets look at that too... You can buy an Aerostitch for about $700 new, or get good riding suits for considerably less from M/C Leather Exchange or similar places. summer gloves $40, winter gloves $40 (both decent olympias), boots about $80 for a decent set of over the ankle work boots, and finally, a decent helmet for about $200 (Shoei RF-800s in plain colors... or HJCs for even less). Most of these items will last over the life of the comparison (probably longer for the stitch).. so gear adds on around $1100... All in all, this has been a pretty fun thread... bottom line is most all of us here prefer to be on bikes any chnce we get regardless of the costs ;-) From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 31 09:33:24 2000 Return-Path: CWeaver@XXXXXX Received: from exchange.apscare.com ([38.201.180.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA12237 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2000 09:33:24 -0500 (EST) Received: by EXCHANGE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 31 Jan 2000 09:33:23 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Weaver, Chris" To: "'Collin T. Fagan'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: cost of riding Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 09:33:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Aren't those older scooters all two-strokes? I didn't think you ever had to change the oil on a two-stroke, since it burns it as part of the fuel. Maybe I'm missing something. Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 > -----Original Message----- > From: Collin T. Fagan [SMTP:gixer_racer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, January 28, 2000 10:45 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: cost of riding > (I knew one girl that had 20k miles without an oil change and the > little beasty ket running strong.. Honda makes some pretty good > machines Hondas!!! hehehe>) From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 31 09:57:18 2000 Return-Path: bhuson@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA12685 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2000 09:57:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-19.patriot.net [209.249.181.19]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA32098; Mon, 31 Jan 2000 09:57:11 -0500 Message-ID: <3895A278.C0418239@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 09:55:52 -0500 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Weaver, Chris" CC: "'Collin T. Fagan'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: cost of riding References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit All the 2-storkes I owned had tranny/clutch oil - needed changing. Cheapest cycle ride I had while commuting to NOVA was a Kawi 90cc street bike. 2-stroke, one cyl, one sparky plug, keep the oil tank near full and tires puffed up and the sumagun would start in any weather and run forever. For the few years I had it I spent more on tags and inspection than I did on the bike. Bill Weaver, Chris wrote: > Aren't those older scooters all two-strokes? I didn't think you ever had to > change the oil on a two-stroke, since it burns it as part of the fuel. Maybe > I'm missing something. > > Chris Weaver > '98 VTR 1000 > From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 31 11:19:33 2000 Return-Path: redbelly@XXXXXX Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA14129 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2000 11:19:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from boo.net ([137.187.49.200]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA2090292; Mon, 31 Jan 2000 11:19:25 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3895B5BD.DA4E48E8@boo.net> Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 11:18:05 -0500 From: Jay Goddard X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Griff , dc-cycles , "Kevin O'Brien" , "Lisa S. Goddard" , Matt Fawaz , "Michael R. Cecchini" , Swifty Subject: Tire wear Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Between April 1st and October 31st there are 39 track days within 400 miles. 12 of them are on 1 of the tracks at Summit. I think I am going need some more tires. Jay Goddard From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 31 11:24:04 2000 Return-Path: OBRIEK@XXXXXX Received: from primary.jpsp.com ([207.54.146.50]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA14227 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2000 11:24:02 -0500 (EST) Received: by T200-ARLINGTON.BBN.COM with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 31 Jan 2000 11:23:59 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Kevin O'Brien" To: "'Jay Goddard'" , David Griff , dc-cycles , "Lisa S. Goddard" , Matt Fawaz , "Michael R. Cecchini" , Swifty Subject: RE: Tire wear Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 11:23:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01BF6C07.93BF0AC8" This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01BF6C07.93BF0AC8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I think you need more vacation -----Original Message----- From: Jay Goddard [mailto:redbelly@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, January 31, 2000 11:18 AM To: David Griff; dc-cycles; Kevin O'Brien; Lisa S. Goddard; Matt Fawaz; Michael R. Cecchini; Swifty Subject: Tire wear Between April 1st and October 31st there are 39 track days within 400 miles. 12 of them are on 1 of the tracks at Summit. I think I am going need some more tires. Jay Goddard ------_=_NextPart_001_01BF6C07.93BF0AC8 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" RE: Tire wear
I think you need more vacation

-----Original Message-----
From: Jay Goddard [mailto:redbelly@XXXXXX]
Sent: Monday, January 31, 2000 11:18 AM
To: David Griff; dc-cycles; Kevin O'Brien; Lisa S. Goddard; Matt Fawaz;
Michael R. Cecchini; Swifty
Subject: Tire wear

Between April 1st and October 31st there are 39 track days within 400
miles. 12 of them are on 1 of the tracks at Summit. I think I am going
need some more tires.

Jay Goddard
------_=_NextPart_001_01BF6C07.93BF0AC8-- From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 31 11:36:28 2000 Return-Path: nsuesse@XXXXXX Received: from mail.greypilgrim.com ([209.8.223.251]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA14518 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2000 11:36:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.83] ([192.168.1.83]) by mail.greypilgrim.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id LAA13850; Mon, 31 Jan 2000 11:31:54 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: nsuesse@XXXXXX Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3895B5BD.DA4E48E8@boo.net> References: <3895B5BD.DA4E48E8@boo.net> Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 11:36:06 -0500 To: Jay Goddard From: Ned Suesse Subject: Re: Tire wear Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >Between April 1st and October 31st there are 39 track days within 400 >miles. 12 of them are on 1 of the tracks at Summit. I think I am going >need some more tires. > >Jay Goddard Now there is a happy mid-winter thought!! I would love to do an early spring track day, preferably as close as possible. It will be my first- which would you recommend, and how do I sign up? Also, where have you learned about all these days? Is there a central repository? Thanks in advance, Ned Suesse 96 CBR 600 F3 with BT-56ss's waiting to be mounted From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 31 11:39:34 2000 Return-Path: redsullivan@XXXXXX Received: from web504.mail.yahoo.com (web504.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA14538 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2000 11:39:33 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 12702 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Jan 2000 16:39:20 -0000 Message-ID: <20000131163920.12701.qmail@web504.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [198.45.18.20] by web504.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 31 Jan 2000 08:39:20 PST Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 08:39:20 -0800 (PST) From: Sean Sullivan Subject: Re: Where is everyone? To: Ryan McClune , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii You were traveling the wrong roads. :) As for gloves, I have two pairs of Olympias, one their winter gloves (looks like you could defend a hockey goal in 'em) and the other their All Season I. They both block wind and keep my hands warm -- the winter gloves might be a tad warmer but they're also bulkier. Both around $50 mail order. Sean Sullivan --- Ryan McClune wrote: > I only saw one other rider out today. Please let > me know I was traveling down the wrong roads. > > Also, can anyone recommend some decent gloves > for cold weather riding? My fingers were the only > parts that got really cold thanks to the new > Aerostich. I now recommend the Aerostich suite. > After only using it once it seems like some really > good (and innovative) riding gear. If their > advertising holds up this may be the best > commuter (read non-competition) suite for the > money. Get a backprotector tho. . there really > isn't much back there without it. > > During the odd chance that there is no snow tomorrow > and the roads stay dry who is organizing a > pre/post (or even during, I could care less about > this game) ride? Please forward me details. > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 31 11:47:55 2000 Return-Path: redbelly@XXXXXX Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA14714 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2000 11:47:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from boo.net ([137.187.49.200]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA2033016; Mon, 31 Jan 2000 11:47:50 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3895BC65.624A860B@boo.net> Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 11:46:30 -0500 From: Jay Goddard X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ned Suesse CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Tire wear References: <3895B5BD.DA4E48E8@boo.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Some of them are done by local shops (Loudon Motorsports and Cycle Sports) some are with clubs (North Eastern Sport Bike Ass., Team Pro-motion Sport). The shop ones are cheaper ($125 or so) but not as well organized. The clubs charge $75 a year to be a member, there days are between $140 and $175 and some have some classroom time. I have not done any of the club ones but I have heard good things about them. There is not a repository that I have heard of. If you know of one that is not put on by one of these groups that is open to any make of bike and not for racers only PLEASE let me know. Jay Ned Suesse wrote: > >Between April 1st and October 31st there are 39 track days within 400 > >miles. 12 of them are on 1 of the tracks at Summit. I think I am going > >need some more tires. > > > >Jay Goddard > > Now there is a happy mid-winter thought!! > > I would love to do an early spring track day, preferably as close as > possible. It will be my first- which would you recommend, and how do > I sign up? > > Also, where have you learned about all these days? Is there a central > repository? > > Thanks in advance, > > Ned Suesse > > 96 CBR 600 F3 with BT-56ss's waiting to be mounted From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 31 11:51:21 2000 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from web307.mail.yahoo.com (web307.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.238]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA14793 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2000 11:51:19 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 6490 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Jan 2000 16:51:17 -0000 Message-ID: <20000131165117.6489.qmail@web307.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.213.156.121] by web307.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 31 Jan 2000 08:51:17 PST Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 08:51:17 -0800 (PST) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: RE: cost of riding To: "Weaver, Chris" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Some of the really older ones were four strokes..Trail60/90 etc. that's what this one girl had.... but you're right...most of the scooters are two smokes, making them even less of a maintenance requirement. --- "Weaver, Chris" wrote: > Aren't those older scooters all two-strokes? I didn't think you ever > had to > change the oil on a two-stroke, since it burns it as part of the > fuel. Maybe > I'm missing something. ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 31 16:59:00 2000 Return-Path: Carl.Custer@XXXXXX Received: from dchqexs1.fsis.usda.gov (wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa [199.128.203.12] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA20076 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2000 16:58:59 -0500 (EST) Received: by wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 31 Jan 2000 16:58:21 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCy'" Subject: Where is everyone? (stayin' warm) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 16:58:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain Ryan McClune claimed, "I only saw one other rider out today. Please let me know I was traveling down the wrong roads." I got out Saturday, drove downtown - also saw no one else -- on a murdersickle - lotsa cages. "Also, can anyone recommend some decent gloves for cold weather riding? My fingers were the only parts that got really cold thanks to the new Aerostich. . ." Five options: 1) Overmitts: e.g. OR at REI or Motorport. Will reduce heat loss some; they're also water proof for summer showers. $10-30. 2) Mittens with Polartec liners: Myers' Cycle ordered a pair of First Gear mittens for me several years ago; Few shops carry them in stock. Add a pair of Polartec mittens as liners for really cold weather, to keep your digits pretty warm. One advantage of Motorcycle Mittens are the BIG gauntlets; ski mittens don't gottem; worth the additional $10. 3) Insulate grips and levers. Because you compress the glove insulation against these cold surfaces, this provides a shorter distance for heat to flow. Foam grips help as do lever covers. Cheap and helpful. 4) Hippo Hands: No longer made but you can often score a pair at flea markets. Warm and toasty with ordinary gloves -- if you seal up all of the openings. I found that at speed, the air pressed heavily on my hands and caused numbness. 5) Grip heaters -as sold by RiderWearHouse: Oh Mamma mia, whatever options you choose, do get these. These have saved my fingers more than once when I stayed out too late or went farther than planned and didn't wear my winter mitts. Do hook the heaters to a handy switch as they will get hot. I have a switch mounted on my left mirror stalk for easy access. Install 'em now but, before next fall, disassemble the heaters and solder the crimped connections within the shrink wrap; they will eventually corrode and either leave your fingers cold - or melt the tubing (Funny story here) 6) Electric Glove$: I scored a pair of Gerbings at Heyser's clearance last fall and they're nice. First, I wired them in series and the results were disappointing. Next, I wired them in parallel so I get 30 watts in each glove. Oh so toasty - hook them to a handy switch. I've heard Widders aren't hardy enough to be wired in parallel and in series the heat output is so-so. " . . . I now recommend the Aerostich suite." Yes, the Aerostich is sweet :^>. Add a Polartec 200 (wish I was on commission) sweater under the 'Stitch and you're good below freezing for a few hours. A 300 is warmer but bulkier; probably should consider an electric vest (general opinion is Widder is best -- unless you want the full Gerbing sweater). FWIW: G-Street fabrics in Rockville is selling ~1' X 5' strips of Polartec for $2.33; They make nifty warm, non-scratchy, scarves. " . . .Get a backprotector tho. . there really isn't much back there without it. " I have the RiderWearHouse protector but it gets pretty sweaty in summer stop and go. Option?: "> Info/funny story: Bohn now makes a serious back protector, 6- or 7-plate > carbon fiber, that velcros into the Roadcrafter and Darien. The ST list is working on a group buy. . . The back protector is well-made, ventilated, will do a much > better job than the Aerostich accessory, and is $129/$139 > depending on whether you get a 6- or 7-plate model." Carl in Bethesda From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 31 19:46:37 2000 Return-Path: v4mofo@XXXXXX Received: from c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com (c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com [24.5.28.205]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA22861 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2000 19:46:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from ts006d08.phx-az.concentric.net [207.155.237.20] by c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com; Mon, 31 Jan 2000 16:46:28 -0800 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: 2-smokes Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 17:46:53 -0700 Message-ID: <000501bf6c4d$d5802550$14ed9bcf@tra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal 2-smokes DO have tranny oil (sometimes clutch also) - and it needs changing, but we're talking like 1/2 a liter on my YSR80.. the mixture oil is the most expensive, along with the gas. I have the best tires you can buy for the YSR, $150/set that (I've been told) should last a couple years. The things that suck with 2-strokes, is they guzzle gas.. I've never ridden anything so thirsty (this is just do to engine design). You have to warm them up properly before riding, and you can't let maintenance slip very much on them - or the performance will seriously deteriorate. Ahh.. but to have the smell of burnt castor oil surrounding you.. heh, parfume et 2-smoke :). And speaking of... maybe I'll take the YSR to school today... Cheers, Brian McCoy From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 31 20:25:57 2000 Return-Path: jbroga@XXXXXX Received: from idalee.loudoun.com (idalee.loudoun.com [208.232.169.21]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA23414 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2000 20:25:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from default (sterling-113.cybercable.com) by idalee.loudoun.com (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1998.11.13.11.10) with SMTP id <0FP800L7Z99WX4@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 31 Jan 2000 20:25:09 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 19:59:15 -0500 From: JEM Broga Subject: Roebling Race Report - Long To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, sv650@XXXXXX Message-id: <007701bf6c4f$8fd0b860$712fbccc@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 References: <3895B5BD.DA4E48E8@boo.net> <3895BC65.624A860B@XXXXXX> X-Priority: 3 For those that are interested, here's the synopsis of the Mid-Atlantic/Southeastern CCS season opener at Roebling Road Raceway near Savannah, GA, as it pertains to local DC riders and SV 650's. Left Friday morning about 10. We (TSR's Steve Clarke and I) had planned to leave Thursday to catch Frank Kinsey's track day, but believed the weather reports calling for rain. The weather report was 100% wrong. No rain, and a missed track day. Arrived to cloudy skies at 7 pm and set up. Discovered that Roebling has zippy paved infield. All sand and cinders. Noted that Max McAllister was there, introduced myself to assure him I had the ultimate GSXR shock and could slide the hell out of it, cuz I'm The Man (inside joke for SV list) He seems like a nice guy, and helped me out. More on that later. Saturday, weather report was accurate. Raining and cold. 40f. Met up with LucasYZF and set up pits. Bought my first set of rain tires ever and mounted them up. In my first race of season jitters/spaciness I discovered I left all my sockets at home. Steve Keener let me use his. (How embarrassing is that to leave your F'n tools?) I was not in the groove. Made second practice following Pete Friedman, discovered there was sealer on track that was WAY slippery. Track seemed to be one line only. Pete was doggin it and but I had to try to keep up. I had come down to this miserable slop for double points only and not to race, so I tried to stay mellow. Saturday -GT Lights - Flag drops and I'm off into first Expert race of my life. Swore to my wife and Dad I was only there to knock the rust off and would not lose cool and try to race, therby risking a crash at unfamiliar, wet track. But what the hell I got a good start. First lap of race dropped 10 seconds off best practice time and was leading. 5th lap of race I dropped the bike. Lowside in1 on a greasy seal to try and retake lead. Foiled by my own impatience. Bike was fine - FYI solid pegs and frame sliders made 50 mph lowside a virtual non event. Bent slider mount, Max's guys fixed it for free. One chip in sharkskins, 3 or 4 minor scratches on tail. Worked perfectly. Moped around pits rest of day, happy to have led, sorry to have finished last. Patience, discipline. I had left both at home. PS for Saturday - the Keener 700++ did not make it to the grid. Motor failure. He had a good day on his R6 instead. Sunday -Super Twins/LW SS/HW Sportsman - Can you say George Vesko? George is a man, a good man, a decent man, a usually slow man. And he kicked my ass like I was on a moped. He rides a Duc 750 and simply hauled ass. I got the usual holeshot, but first George passed me, then Ted Johnson, then Friedman hauling ass and leaving me flailing in their mist. I was practically a freaking backmarker. Folks, I know rain riders, and me, I am no jack kenne....oops-I mean rain rider. Tim Morrow beat Ted Johnson while riding Ted's old EX. George beat EVRYONE in anything Lightweight on his Flamin Duc. And Ted and Pete just hauled ass to dice behind George. Sunday was miserable - raining, foggy and upper 30's, but no one was hurt the whole weekend, and all in all, it was better than working. Jonathan Broga JEM Racing CCS#500 Sponsers: http://www.speed-werks.com/ http://www.centurypool.com/