From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 1 00:12:11 1999 Return-Path: true911@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.157]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA06569 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 00:12:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from mygamer (client196-127-17.bellatlantic.net [151.196.127.17]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id AAA06195 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 00:13:50 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199902010513.AAA06195@smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: true911@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 00:03:15 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mark E. Truelove" Subject: Rats! Missed the festivities, but I have a PARTY INVITE, too... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sorry, especially to Tom & Jeannette (couldn't find your phone number, DOH!), but I had a little crisis at work today, and had to respond. Hope the party was a blast! On a related note, my neighbor and I are throwing our 6th annual Winter Party next Saturday night. Last year (see pics on my web page, in the sig), we had about 300 people, and word is spreading... It's very much a crossroads of neighborhood folks, his friends & work buds, my friends and work buds, and often those brought by said invitees, so it's a great place to meet and mingle. There will be live music by four local groups, kegs of microbrew and standard stuff, and it will probably go VERY late. Anyone from dc-cycles is welcome to attend. This is out of the way for most of you, I know (I'm in Baltimore), but I think those with the time to make the trip will find it worthwhile. Also, feel free to bring anyone you can vouch for. Sorry to put it that way, but with the size, the only problems we've had in past are from friends of friends who we didn't know directly. :( But you guys and gals have invited me openly into your homes enough times that I know you all have good taste. :) Please reply to me directly (sort of RSVP) if you think you might attend, and if you think you might ride, tell me, and I'll try to set up a bikes-only parking area in a relatively visible space. I'll send you the information in text and/or an image of the invitation, with all the information on it. Looking forward to seeing the gang, especially since I was out of commission today. Cheers! MET ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark E. Truelove (true@XXXXXX)=A0= http://members.bellatlantic.net/~true911/ 1992 VFR750 (The Crow)=A0=A0=A0 1985 VF500 ('Kitty)=A0=A0=A0 1972 CB350 (In= Hibernation) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 1 00:24:25 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA06726 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 00:24:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA02884 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 00:24:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (known saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA19536 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 00:24:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([208.206.112.8]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id AAA08438 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 00:24:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net [208.220.24.112] by tidalwave.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-4.07) id A939F7A007A; Mon, 01 Feb 1999 00:18:49 EST Message-ID: <36B53AA2.746C03A2@tidalwave.net> Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 00:24:50 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Leon Begeman CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: The Dirt Road Ride References: <1.5.4.32.19990131205827.0069eef4@illuminet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Leon wrote: > I'm impressed, that's a tough road to ride with a big, top heavy > touring bike. Heh, it was easy to ride if you were playing tail end charlie like I was and didn't mind spraying a little gravel. Come up on the switchback, inside foot out, a little lean, a lot of throttle, and voila! the bike is pointed in the new direction... :) FWIW, I don't think I would have tried that method with the Connie. :) I had fun, the pace was good for the transplanted vintage streetbike crowd (i.e. me). Dale -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 - It gets top billing for a change. :) 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Tag: BGSLYR 1998 Kawasaki Concours (No, it's not a typo!) From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 1 02:00:43 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA08304 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 02:00:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id CAA03957 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 02:00:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA20573 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 02:00:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.45]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Mon, 01 Feb 1999 01:56:32 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "DC Cycles Mailing List" , "Dale Horstman" Subject: RE: $100 for two Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 02:02:19 -0500 Message-ID: <00d101be4db0$ced37520$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: <36B538DE.B11927CE@tidalwave.net> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal At least it was moto-related for a change. To be honest, right now the collection isn't very pretty. The '81 has the radiator removed (seriously more difficult than it should have been) and the valve and cam covers have been removed. They need polishing, plus I have to do the valve timing and replace the cam belts. Plus the forks have been removed. And all plastic (except the rear fender). While it's in this state, I'm thinking that I'll pull the rear and replace the clutch. Also want to open up the mechanical advance and make sure the weights are all moving freely. The '79 is much cleaner, but is showing signs of neglect. Front brakes need a total redo (but considering the price of pistons, I hope they are okay. Maybe I can get by with pads and fluid) Also the rear seems full of grease. Hopefully it's just oil that got mixed with water. I really have no desire to pull the diff and clean it out. Still, lots of fun. Except that my arm is ready to fall off from trying to polish some aluminum parts. I think the clearcoat is harder than the aluminum. I'm definitely ready to speed some money on buffing wheels for the grinder motor and some small buffing pads for the dremel. But, rent is due, so new tools get put off for a while:( ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" > Cool beans! I always liked the older Goldwings - I might have > to ride over there and check out your collection someday - you > keep doing the no-show thing at List gatherings... :) From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 1 08:19:54 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA14891 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 08:19:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id A9F62E70292; Mon, 01 Feb 1999 08:19:50 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990201080442.00ff7770@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 08:09:45 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Hosed Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Made a tactical error last night - I decided to hose off the bike after dusting it on Leon's dirty ride Sunday. The temperature was 40 deg. F when I got home, so I figured it would be okay. But by the time I hosed it off it must have been a lot colder because 30 minutes later the water had frozen on the bike. So this morning I barely got the saddlebag open to stow my gear. Then the fork lock was frozen, and that took a few minutes with a lighter on the key to thaw it out. Then the starter button was frozen but I worked it loose. The ignition was tight but still worked. I broke the sheets of ice off the seat. I checked the brakes real carefully before I pulled out! The windshield was completely frozed over, but I don't look through it so I was okay. As it got lighter outside I could see icicles hanging off my instrument panel. Fortunately it'll be in a garage today, so it should be fully thawed for the rider home. oops, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 1 08:20:01 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA14894 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 08:19:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA07720 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 08:19:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA24589 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 08:19:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id A9F32E70292; Mon, 01 Feb 1999 08:19:50 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990201082557.00fee5d0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 08:27:22 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Be on the lookout revisited.... In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 03:48 PM 1/30/99 , WantAZX6@XXXXXX wrote: >In a message dated 1/30/99 3:46:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, wes@XXXXXX >writes: > ><< Next time, Jack, stop trying to impress the listers and keep your > falsehoods to yourself. >> > >LOL, sorry, I was bored....needed to spice the list up a bit. I didnt think >anyone believed me anyway. On a similar note, I saw them up at Colemans on >Friday afternoon. Hmm, happened to notice the whole crew was there, MINUS the >blue ZX9. Maybe, I am just psychic? > >Jack > >Jack I think you'd be much happier on rec.moto -- the Usenet newsgroup '"about" motorcycles. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 1 08:21:07 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA14980 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 08:21:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA07733 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 08:21:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (known saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA24605 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 08:21:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from send103.yahoomail.com (send103.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.92]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA11014 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 08:20:59 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990201132402.26804.rocketmail@send103.yahoomail.com> Received: from [204.108.10.1] by send103.yahoomail.com; Mon, 01 Feb 1999 05:24:02 PST Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 05:24:02 -0800 (PST) From: Nomad Subject: GPS Waypoints for Motorcyclists To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Came across the following web site and thought it might be of interest to some of you with GPS units: http://www.public.usit.net/roaddog/motorcycles/gps.htm Regards, Herb '94 Magna (With non-watered downed gas!) _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 1 08:31:56 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA15159 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 08:31:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA07825 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 08:31:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (known saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA24808 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 08:31:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from send103.yahoomail.com (send103.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.92]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA11087 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 08:31:49 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990201133454.3329.rocketmail@send103.yahoomail.com> Received: from [204.108.10.1] by send103.yahoomail.com; Mon, 01 Feb 1999 05:34:54 PST Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 05:34:54 -0800 (PST) From: Nomad Subject: GPS Waypoints To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >Came across the following web site and thought it might be of interest to some of you with GPS units: http://www.public.usit.net/roaddog/motorcycles/gps.htm> My error: Only the Tennessee page was data (thus far). Regards, Herb '94 Magna (With the watered downed Web site) _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 1 08:46:47 1999 Return-Path: ehand@XXXXXX Received: from dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA15434 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 08:46:45 -0500 (EST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id HAA12152; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 07:46:00 -0600 (CST) Received: from enduser.faa.gov(204.108.10.1) by dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma012107; Mon Feb 1 07:45:47 1999 Message-ID: <36B5AF30.33FAB522@ix.netcom.com> Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 08:42:09 -0500 From: Ed Hand X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Norloff CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Hosed References: <4.1.19990201080442.00ff7770@mail.toward.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris, Are you trying to see what your bike would look like if it does sleet today? Ed 92 FJ1200 Chris Norloff wrote: > Made a tactical error last night - I decided to hose off the bike after > dusting it on Leon's dirty ride Sunday. The temperature was 40 deg. F when > I got home, so I figured it would be okay. > > But by the time I hosed it off it must have been a lot colder because 30 > minutes later the water had frozen on the bike. > > So this morning I barely got the saddlebag open to stow my gear. Then the > fork lock was frozen, and that took a few minutes with a lighter on the key > to thaw it out. Then the starter button was frozen but I worked it loose. > The ignition was tight but still worked. I broke the sheets of ice off the > seat. I checked the brakes real carefully before I pulled out! > > The windshield was completely frozed over, but I don't look through it so I > was okay. As it got lighter outside I could see icicles hanging off my > instrument panel. > > Fortunately it'll be in a garage today, so it should be fully thawed for > the rider home. > > oops, > Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 1 08:49:12 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail04.usace.army.mil ([137.161.200.222]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA15444 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 08:49:10 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199902011349.IAA15444@meretrix.com> Received: by mcxmail04.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id <1C1HP1NC>; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 05:48:10 -0800 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Hosed Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 05:48:06 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Like, that sucks.. eh? Hand me a beer hoser.... (ok, now I need to go rent Strange Brew again.. ) Brian From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 1 09:13:45 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA15824 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 09:13:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id A68515AF006A; Mon, 01 Feb 1999 09:13:25 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990201091134.018eb1c0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 09:20:46 -0500 To: Ed Hand From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Hosed Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <36B5AF30.33FAB522@ix.netcom.com> References: <4.1.19990201080442.00ff7770@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sleet? Have I been doing the winter rider routine again? ("You know you're a winter rider when the traffic report is more important than the weather report" -- Leon Begeman). Good thing I was practicing my riding on low-traction surfaces yesterday with Leon and the other crazi^H^H^H^H^H^H enthusiasts. :-) Chris Norloff At 08:42 AM 2/1/99 , Ed Hand wrote: >Chris, > >Are you trying to see what your bike would look like if it does sleet today? > >Ed > >92 FJ1200 > >Chris Norloff wrote: > >> Made a tactical error last night - I decided to hose off the bike after >> dusting it on Leon's dirty ride Sunday. The temperature was 40 deg. F when >> I got home, so I figured it would be okay. >> >> But by the time I hosed it off it must have been a lot colder because 30 >> minutes later the water had frozen on the bike. >> >> So this morning I barely got the saddlebag open to stow my gear. Then the >> fork lock was frozen, and that took a few minutes with a lighter on the key >> to thaw it out. Then the starter button was frozen but I worked it loose. >> The ignition was tight but still worked. I broke the sheets of ice off the >> seat. I checked the brakes real carefully before I pulled out! >> >> The windshield was completely frozed over, but I don't look through it so I >> was okay. As it got lighter outside I could see icicles hanging off my >> instrument panel. >> >> Fortunately it'll be in a garage today, so it should be fully thawed for >> the rider home. >> >> oops, >> Chris Norloff > > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 1 09:41:02 1999 Return-Path: Jeannette_O'Brien@XXXXXX Received: from relay1.UU.NET (relay1.UU.NET [192.48.96.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA16234 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 09:41:01 -0500 (EST) From: Jeannette_O'Brien@XXXXXX Received: from 172.16.2.37 by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: user252.shawpittman.com [208.200.185.252]) id QQgarq27287 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 09:39:50 -0500 (EST) Received: by 172.16.2.37(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.3 (733.2 10-16-1998)) id 8525670B.0050D688 ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 09:42:58 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SPPT cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <8525670B.0050D5D4.00@172.16.2.37> Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 09:35:34 -0500 Subject: Thank You, It Was Fun!! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Thanks to all who came to our party last night! Thomas & I had a great time and are already thinking of when our next party should be!! - Jeannette From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 1 09:41:49 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA16244 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 09:41:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA08773 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 09:41:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from ckgppxy1.proxy.att.com (known ckmsfw1.att.com [12.20.58.157]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA26362 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 09:41:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from dcn73.dcn.att.com ([135.44.68.33]) by ckgppxy1.proxy.att.com (AT&T/IPNS/GW-1.0) with SMTP id JAA16240 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 09:41:06 -0500 (EST) Received: by dcn73.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BE4DC6.EAF4D5D0@XXXXXX>; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 09:40:35 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Carver, John" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Firewood??? No MC content Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 09:40:34 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I would like to purchase some firewood and I wanted to ask if anyone knows of a good deal around the Reston area. I do not have the means to pick up the wood, so delivery would be necessary. TIA. John 98 VFR From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 1 10:06:53 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com (ndcrelay2.mcit.com [166.37.172.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA16752 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 10:06:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta1.mcit.com (omta1.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA18693; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 15:03:29 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta1.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990201150611.SBJ8311@toddnt>; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 09:06:11 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: Cc: Subject: RE: Thank You, It Was Fun!! Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 10:05:25 -0500 Message-ID: <001101be4df4$4bec9f30$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-reply-to: <8525670B.0050D5D4.00@172.16.2.37> Thanks for having us. It was fun! Todd > > > Thanks to all who came to our party last night! Thomas & I had a > great time and > are already thinking of when our next party should be!! > > - Jeannette > > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 1 10:06:59 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net ([208.206.112.8]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA16755 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 10:06:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net [166.32.112.69] by tidalwave.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-4.07) id A1AB27500FE; Mon, 01 Feb 1999 10:00:59 EST Message-ID: <36B5C2EF.688157CF@tidalwave.net> Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 10:06:23 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Norloff CC: Ed Hand , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Hosed References: <4.1.19990201080442.00ff7770@mail.toward.com> <4.1.19990201091134.018eb1c0@mail.toward.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris Norloff wrote: > > Good thing I was practicing my riding on low-traction surfaces yesterday > with Leon and the other crazi^H^H^H^H^H^H enthusiasts. I've noticed a difference already. On the Connie this morning, saw a patch of sand in the middle of an intersection as I was turning left. Instead of avoiding it, I *AIMED* for it, made sure I spun the rear a little. :) My Connie doesn't know all the fun that it missed yesterday. Dale (Not like it could have gotten any dirtier, though.) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You'll know she loves you if she offers horkster@XXXXXX to let you ride her bike. Don't do it Dale City, Virginia and she'll love you even more." 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - "BugSlayer" VA Tag: BGSLYR 1998 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - No name, and no fancy tag either 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 - Ours - But mostly mine From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 1 10:16:18 1999 Return-Path: bnorton@XXXXXX Received: from netgate.anent.com (netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA16928 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 10:16:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from bruce ([208.195.115.89] (may be forged)) by netgate.anent.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with SMTP id KAA10770; Mon, 01 Feb 1999 10:19:09 -0500 Message-ID: <003901be4df5$ed44fc00$5973c3d0@bruce> From: "Bruce Norton" To: Cc: Subject: Re: Thank You, It Was Fun!! Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 10:17:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Thanks should be to you and Tom for hosting everyone else. I, for one, had a great time!!! Bruce >Thanks to all who came to our party last night! Thomas & I had a great time and >are already thinking of when our next party should be!! > >- Jeannette From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 1 10:48:56 1999 Return-Path: CBR600twt@XXXXXX Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com (imo21.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.65]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA17514 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 10:48:51 -0500 (EST) From: CBR600twt@XXXXXX Received: from CBR600twt@XXXXXX by imo21.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id QZBTa07792; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 10:47:44 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <132703a8.36b5cca0@aol.com> Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 10:47:44 EST To: Jeannette_O'Brien@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Thank You, It Was Fun!! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 41 Thanks Jeanette & Tom for the great hospitality! Great food, beverages and conversation. Tom T. From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 1 11:01:53 1999 Return-Path: mehran7@XXXXXX Received: from send105.yahoomail.com (send105.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.128]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA17753 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 11:01:48 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990201160237.7124.rocketmail@send105.yahoomail.com> Received: from [209.48.228.195] by send105.yahoomail.com; Mon, 01 Feb 1999 08:02:37 PST Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 08:02:37 -0800 (PST) From: Mehran Subject: Re: slip-ons To: STARAI@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Just an FYI - I heard from Vance & Hines that they will have a new Titanium Alloy Slip-on Pipe called the S4 available for various bikes (Like the R1) in Mid-March. It dows not require jetting. ---STARAI@XXXXXX wrote: > > I asked my dealer about slip-ons and a jet kit. He said I don't need the jet > kit. Tuning will do the job. What do you think? > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 1 11:09:54 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA17860 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 11:09:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA10032 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 11:09:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com (known ndcrelay2.mcit.com [166.37.172.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA00155 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 11:09:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta1.mcit.com (omta1.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id QAA23576; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 16:06:20 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta1.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990201160903.BDYZ8311@toddnt>; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 10:09:03 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: , Subject: RE: Jeez yall Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 11:08:16 -0500 Message-ID: <001c01be4dfd$13a72ba0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-reply-to: <6173d853.36b3a697@aol.com> Go, away, Jack. Your 'Joke' turned into a (needless?) controversy about dealer ethics, the problems of rich newbies, and a host of opinions that mattered one way or the other, but never the same. You also took it upon yourself to 'spice things up' by slamming a business for its employee practices. Heresay has it that the salesperson you libeled may want to sue you! Hahahahahaha. Funny. Now that's funny! Now, make good on your promise of months gone by, go away. You fucking liar! And just in case you don't finally slink away with your pubescent wit tangled at your feet, like Zbig said many months ago, "Welcome to my kill-file". Todd > > Ever heard of a joke? Oh well, uptight seems to be the standard for this > list. LIGHTEN UP PEOPLE! > BTW, who was it that said that all those kids had no riding experience? > Anyway, chill out and dont take everything so seriously and anally. > > Jack > In a message dated 1/30/99 3:46:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, wes@XXXXXX writes: << Next time, Jack, stop trying to impress the listers and keep your falsehoods to yourself. >> LOL, sorry, I was bored....needed to spice the list up a bit. I didnt think anyone believed me anyway. On a similar note, I saw them up at Colemans on Friday afternoon. Hmm, happened to notice the whole crew was there, MINUS the blue ZX9. Maybe, I am just psychic? Jack Jack From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 1 11:22:49 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA18153 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 11:22:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA10267 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 11:22:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo29.mx.aol.com (known imo29.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.73]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA00737 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 11:22:42 -0500 (EST) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo29.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 9XDCa01223 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 11:22:02 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <2c11eb6e.36b5d4aa@aol.com> Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 11:22:02 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Jeez yall (and farewell) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 In a message dated 2/1/99 11:09:09 AM Eastern Standard Time, todd.b.peer@XXXXXX writes: << You also took it upon yourself to 'spice things up' by slamming a business for its employee practices. >> This is the ONLY section that I will publicly address. When has anyone on this list NOT slammed Colemans at some point or another? We all have so dont EVEN put it on me that I "slammed a business for its employee practices" like they are such a respectable business. Remember that this whole thread was started because of someone posting that a bunch of (and I quote) "little to no riding experience and no MSF class" kids bought high power bikes. Well it turns out that they DO have experience and that statement was bullshit. The rest of what you said, well, to each his own. And Im amazed that someone would go that far to be so rude over something so petty. Did you feel embarrassed that you were "duped" and therefore got hostile? Hehehe, I guess I did a better job at it than I thought I did. Jack PS- on a sidenote, Ive come to find this list quite boring and with the shear volume of list related mail Im getting from several lists, I gotta ditch one and this is the one. Good luck to you all in the future and I hope to see some of you at Summit this year. From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 1 11:24:18 1999 Return-Path: alexm@XXXXXX Received: from gate1.sprintlink.net (gate1.sprintlink.net [199.0.233.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA18171 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 11:24:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from athens.res.sprintlink.net by gate1.sprintlink.net via smtpd (for dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) with SMTP; 1 Feb 1999 16:24:06 UT Received: from localhost (alexm@localhost) by athens.res.sprintlink.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA13501 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 11:24:00 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 11:24:00 -0500 (EST) From: Alex Milenkovic To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Any generous soul with a trailer/pickup? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hey there, folks! The title says it all. I need some aid in transporting a Katana 600 back to my house. (Yeah, this is the one I had a while ago, for those that remember.) Basically, I sold it, the guy didn't pay any money, and he up and moved for Delaware, leaving the bike in his old complex. Super! We went over yesterday, and it would seem the battery is dead. It was having trouble holding a charge (we were jumping it off the car) and we'd guess that it is indeed kaput. Rather than driving 10 miles and putzing around in some strange driveway every time we want to work on it, I think I'd rather have the bike in my driveway if possible. So, over the next week, if any kind folks with a trailer or pickup (and some straps) would volunteer an hour of their lifetime, I'd be very happy. If you drink, I can offer ya a six of your choice. If you dont.. um.. my awesome company? I dunno. Name something reasonable and I'm sure we can work it out. Thanks, Alex. From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 1 11:25:50 1999 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA18184 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 11:25:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mscex.mailteam.uscg.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA26085 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 11:03:03 -0500 (EST) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 11:27:16 -0500 Message-ID: <904D6E6114A7D211ACCD006008A37EBD032ACB@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LT" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: slip-ons Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 11:27:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain I may be missing the points here, but what benefit would you get out of a slip on if you don't rejet the bike? I guess poseur points for look and sound (who cares). But Unless the aftermarket pipe is fairly restrictive, I would think that you stnad to do some harm to your motor. Bikes come on the lean side from the factory to pass EPA requirements, particularly in the midrange (note big flat spot lots of bike have in that region). Add an aftermarket exhaust that lets more fluid flow through it and combine that with K&N filter alloying lots more (300% they claim) air flow you could end up with a severly lean running motor. And if you'd like to see what happens when you run a bike to lean, take a look at: http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/sprockets.html Notice the nice aluminum specs that were melting ooff that big hole in the #3 piston and spraying everywhere... >From my perspective, teh only reason to go with an aftermarket pipe is weight reduction and power gains. If ya want to get the gains, you're going to have to spring for jets and as Kirk pointed out, more importantly reshaped needles. For the R1, I've heard of getting 144 rwhp with just a slip on and shimming the stock needles, but the main jets were changed out. Collin On Monday, February 01, 1999 11:17 AM, Mehran [SMTP:mehran7@XXXXXX] wrote: > > Just an FYI - > > I heard from Vance & Hines that they will have a new Titanium Alloy > Slip-on Pipe called the S4 available for > various bikes (Like the R1) in Mid-March. It dows not require jetting. > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 1 11:29:36 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA18284 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 11:29:32 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id LAA08916; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 11:30:33 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma008662; Mon, 1 Feb 99 11:29:52 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F6H00MO9HU1BB@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 11:30:01 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 8525670B.005A5E44 ; Mon, 01 Feb 1999 11:27:03 -0500 Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 11:00:58 -0500 Subject: Insurance - WTF??? (another rant) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <8525670B.0058119F.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Hi all. I've been thinking about getting a new bike, and thought I'd check with my insurance agent (Allstate) to see what kind of rate I could get on a new F4 or a TL-S. She tells me (get this) she wants $1,800 for the F4 and $1,098 for the TL-S. I found this a bit puzzling for a couple of reasons. One, the TL-S costs less. This was apparently due to some sort of extra surcharge that Allstate puts onto that specific bike. (Thanks a lot, squids!) Two, WTF is up with these costs? I have a completely clean record, two other vehicles and a house insured with Allstate, and don't live in a crime-ridden area. Sounds like Allstate just isn't interested enough in keeping my business, so I'm now going to go to all of the other national insurance companies and see what I can get for transferring ALL of my policies to them. There's no point sticking with Allstate if they want to screw their best customers like this. So anyway, is there a consensus on what the best/cheapest insurance companies are? I know that best and cheapest don't always go hand in hand, so I'm willing to pay a little extra for good service. TIA. Chris Weaver '92 Yamaha Seca II '92 Acura Integra '86 Townhouse ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 1 11:37:17 1999 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA18481 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 11:37:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA02642; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 11:37:07 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 11:37:06 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Insurance - WTF??? (another rant) In-Reply-To: <8525670B.0058119F.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 1 Feb 1999 christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX wrote: > Sounds like Allstate just isn't interested enough in keeping my > business Allstate could care less about your motorcycle. Even telling them to kiss your cars/house goodbye is futile. If you're in Virginia give Farmers a call (they're on the web too). For Maryland, check out State Farm (bring your car too) and Nationwide (don't need your car). Kirk From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 1 11:37:51 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA18491 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 11:37:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA10555 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 11:37:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (known cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA01306 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 11:37:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from mscex.mailteam.uscg.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA27183 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 11:15:39 -0500 (EST) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 11:39:52 -0500 Message-ID: <904D6E6114A7D211ACCD006008A37EBD032ACC@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LT" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Jeez yall Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 11:37:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Umm, I'm not defending jack's spicy story of coming across the kids in the ditch, but I do want to point out that he wasn't the one that posted the original story of 4 18 y/o "inexperienced" riders buying the bikes. It was someone else. And if I recall correctly, that same someone else posted back to the list that they had talked to the dealer and found out that the kids were indeed "experienced" riders and that none had crashed. Jack was the second poster on that issue saying that he would have thrown in his $.02 to the guys about buying big bore bikes with no experience under their belt. (and you agreed Todd ;-)) Collin (making sure the flames get distributed everywhere :)) On Monday, February 01, 1999 11:29 AM, Todd Peer [SMTP:todd.b.peer@XXXXXX] wrote: > > Go, away, Jack. > > Your 'Joke' turned into a (needless?) controversy about dealer ethics, the > problems of rich newbies, and a host of opinions that mattered one way or > the other, but never the same. From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 1 11:41:14 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA18528 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 11:41:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA10641 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 11:41:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from goliath.intelsol.com (known Goliath.intelsol.com [192.77.213.64]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA01533 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 11:40:57 -0500 (EST) From: Steve_Beck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 (600.1 3-26-1998)) id 8525670B.005AD90F ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 11:32:18 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <8525670B.005A89AB.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 11:32:14 -0500 Subject: Re: Insurance - WTF??? (another rant) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline You need to shop around for another insurance company that base their rates on engine size. Not make and model. You should find a substantially reduced rate with one of these companies. Steve From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 1 11:46:51 1999 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA18705 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 11:46:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from crxja001.wachovia.com ([199.4.241.53]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA00221 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 11:46:45 -0500 Message-Id: <199902011646.LAA00221@radagast.wizard.net> From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 11:44:49 -0500 Subject: RE: Jeez yall Priority: normal In-reply-to: <001c01be4dfd$13a72ba0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> References: <6173d853.36b3a697@aol.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) I don't know about anyone else, but I believed Jack's post because the stage was "set" by the original post. I don't archive messages, but I seem to remember reading that (a) the kids were young, inexperienced and had just come into a sum of money (b) the mechanics delayed getting the bikes ready until it started raining so they would have to bring the bikes home in a pickup truck, and (c) the mechanics had a "dead pool." If all this hadn't been said and discussed, no one would have believed Jack's "tall tale." And, for what it's worth, the discussion about dealer ethics started up before Jack's post, not after it. I know there are some personality clashes on this list, but some people really need to take a chill pill. Must be the cold weather making everyone cranky. I'll be happy when spring gets here! Anita From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 1 11:54:04 1999 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA18840 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 11:54:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from crxja001.wachovia.com ([199.4.241.53]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA01187 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 11:54:06 -0500 Message-Id: <199902011654.LAA01187@radagast.wizard.net> From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 11:52:14 -0500 Subject: Evel Knievel Update [for something different to read about] Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) Knievel Doing Well After Surgery By PAT LEISNER Associated Press Writer TAMPA, Fla. (AP) - Daredevil stuntman Evel Knievel is on the mend and could be back on his motorcycle in six weeks, his doctor said Friday two days after performing a liver transplant. There were no signs of rejecting the long-awaited organ and Knievel, 60, was expected to be moved out of intensive care soon, Dr. Hector Ramos said at Tampa General Hospital. Ramos, head of the transplant team, implanted a donated liver during a five and a half hour operation. ``The operation went remarkably well,'' Ramos said. By Friday, Knievel was in stable condition, breathing on his own. Within six weeks, barring complications, Knievel should be able to do just about anything he was used to doing - including riding his motorcycle. Normal recovery time is three-to-six months. Attitude helps tremendously, the surgeon said. ``The will to live and general tenacity of his personality is what will be instrumental in his recovery. He's a fighter, of course. That's his history.'' Knievel did not attend the briefing. He believes he contracted liver-destroying Hepatitis C during the many transfusions he needed following spills on the motorcycle circuit in the 1960s and 1970s. During his career, Knievel broke at least 35 bones and underwent surgery 14 times. His motorcycle stunts included a jump over the 35-foot fountain at Caesars Palace in Las Vegas in 1967 when he crushed his pelvis after flying head-over-handlebars. One of his most famous stunts failed when a parachute opened as he zoomed over Idaho's Snake River Canyon in 1974. The following year, a crowd of 90,000 at Wembley Stadium in London watched as he soared over 13 double-tiered buses and then crashed, again fracturing his pelvis. He ended his stunt career in 1981. Knievel waited eight months for a new liver. He was hospitalized briefly recently with dehydration, which is a common symptom of the progression of liver disease, Ramos said. On Tuesday, the call came that there was a match, said Krystal Kennedy, Knievel's 29-year-old fiancee. Within two hours they were at Tampa General. Ramos said 70 percent of liver transplant patients get back to normal. Knievel still has Hepatitis C and while his new liver does not have it, the chances of getting it are high. But the disease is not so likely to destroy the organ this time, Ramos said. From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 1 11:56:40 1999 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA18853 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 11:56:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA03184 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 11:56:33 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 11:56:33 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: slip-ons In-Reply-To: <904D6E6114A7D211ACCD006008A37EBD032ACB@MSCEX> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 1 Feb 1999, Fagan, Collin LT wrote: > I guess poseur points for look and sound (who cares). I guess there are a lot of people that care. Who the !@#$ are you to criticize them? :) Poseur points sell a lot of bikes (is someone a poser if they spell poser fancy, like with a u in there?) I don't personally buy into it but it's true. > But Unless the aftermarket pipe is fairly restrictive, I > would think that you stnad to do some harm to your motor. I would tend to agree. The "needs no rejetting" is more a marketing ploy than anything. > And if you'd like to see what happens when you run a bike to lean, take > a look at: > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/sprockets.html Wow, impressive! As for those sprockets - I've got a pic somewhere that show what can happen when you replace your chain and rear sprocket but not the front. Check out http://www.hazmat.com/~mjb/echr/index.html and look towards the middle of the page for the (small) pic. No teeth on the countershaft sprocket... :) So much for being cheap - I had to buy a complete set (replacing the chain and rear sprocket again). Oh, I also learned NOT to replace important parts and then take off on a long trip... > If ya want to get the gains, you're going to have to spring for jets > and as Kirk pointed out, more importantly reshaped needles. And no one will sell you needles outside of a jet kit. > For the R1, I've heard of getting 144 rwhp with just a slip on and shimming > the stock needles, but the main jets were changed out. I'm convinced! I'm going out at lunch time to order an R1, a slip on, and some new mains! Kirk From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 1 12:15:17 1999 Return-Path: alexm@XXXXXX Received: from gate1.sprintlink.net (gate1.sprintlink.net [199.0.233.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA19294 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 12:15:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from athens.res.sprintlink.net by gate1.sprintlink.net via smtpd (for dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) with SMTP; 1 Feb 1999 17:15:14 UT Received: from localhost (alexm@localhost) by athens.res.sprintlink.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA18845 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 12:15:13 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 12:15:13 -0500 (EST) From: Alex Milenkovic To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Insurance - WTF??? (another rant) In-Reply-To: <8525670B.0058119F.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > I've been thinking about getting a new bike, and thought I'd check with my > insurance agent (Allstate) to see what kind of rate I could get on a new F4 > or a TL-S. She tells me (get this) she wants $1,800 for the F4 and $1,098 > for the TL-S. > Allstate is eeeeeevil. And greedy. Try state farm - they charged me $400/yr for a Katana 600, and $450/yr for a VFR-750. I asked them about a ZX-11 (just getting quotes, ya see) and they threw out a figure of like $550/yr. Not bad for a 21 year old male. Allstate, on the other hand, wanted $10,000 in florida for a YZF-1000. A year. Alex. From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 1 12:19:43 1999 Return-Path: F4Rider@XXXXXX Received: from viper.bcbsblue.com (viper.bcbsblue.com [208.146.143.1]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA19354 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 12:19:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from viper.bcbsblue.com (root@localhost) by viper.bcbsblue.com with ESMTP id MAA14805 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 12:19:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com ([199.97.109.162]) by viper.bcbsblue.com with ESMTP id MAA14797 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 12:19:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com (root@localhost) by nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com with ESMTP id MAA06168; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 12:22:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from bc41466 ([172.16.5.82]) by nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com with SMTP id MAA06164; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 12:22:11 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990201121907.0123b6f0@ns2.pgcc.net> X-Sender: brad@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 12:19:07 -0500 To: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Brad Subject: Re: Insurance - WTF??? (another rant) In-Reply-To: <8525670B.0058119F.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:00 AM 2/1/99 -0500, you wrote: >Hi all. > >I've been thinking about getting a new bike, and thought I'd check with my >insurance agent (Allstate) to see what kind of rate I could get on a new F4 >or a TL-S. She tells me (get this) she wants $1,800 for the F4 and $1,098 >for the TL-S. Jeeeeez! I pay $219 a year for my F4, full coverage, and I'm 19. ('Course, I pay $3000 for my car with seatbelts and airbags... that makes sense, eh?) Call State Farm. They don't care about "sport" or "cruiser" type classifications; they just want maker and engine size. Soooo... I guess 600cc really isn't that big after all... :-) --Brad From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 1 12:29:03 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA19554 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 12:29:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA11581 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 12:28:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com (known ndcrelay2.mcit.com [166.37.172.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA03235 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 12:28:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta1.mcit.com (omta1.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id RAA20094; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 17:25:32 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta1.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990201172815.BRRB8311@toddnt>; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 11:28:15 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Fagan, Collin LT" , Subject: RE: Jeez yall Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 12:27:26 -0500 Message-ID: <002701be4e08$232d7880$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-reply-to: <904D6E6114A7D211ACCD006008A37EBD032ACC@MSCEX> Ok, I'll concede that I agreed with Jack in general (about Colemans, et al) and that that particular dealer has been named numerous times as a place not to do business. But I never agreed that a bike shouldn't be sold to someone who wants it. I've stated before that it wouldn't hurt to 'suggest' a different bike to obvious 'new' riders but in the end, especially in January, you sell what the customer wants. The retraction about the riders experience level must have gotten lost in the 80+ messages/day generated on DC-Cycles, and I'm man enough to apologize to Jack for it. If you didn't say it Jack, sorry. But that's all. Jack has proven time and again what an e-mail wheenie he really is. He stirred the shit-pot many times last summer for no other reason than his own childish need for attention via a silly e-mail list. He threatened (promised) to leave for greener pastures, but he has slowly made a return to this forum with what seemed to be relatively sane and thought out comments and posits. But in the end (at least from my perspective), he turned out to be the same old shit-pot stirring little boy he is. Jack remains on my kill list. Todd > > Umm, I'm not defending jack's spicy story of coming across the kids in the > ditch, but I do want to point out that he wasn't the one that posted the > original story of 4 18 y/o "inexperienced" riders buying the > bikes. It was > someone else. And if I recall correctly, that same someone else > posted back > to the list that they had talked to the dealer and found out that the kids > were indeed "experienced" riders and that none had crashed. > > Jack was the second poster on that issue saying that he would > have thrown in > his $.02 to the guys about buying big bore bikes with no experience under > their belt. (and you agreed Todd ;-)) > > Collin > (making sure the flames get distributed everywhere :)) > > On Monday, February 01, 1999 11:29 AM, Todd Peer > [SMTP:todd.b.peer@XXXXXX] > wrote: > > > > Go, away, Jack. > > > > Your 'Joke' turned into a (needless?) controversy about dealer > ethics, the > > problems of rich newbies, and a host of opinions that mattered > one way or > > the other, but never the same. > From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 1 12:31:47 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net ([208.206.112.8]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA19634 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 12:31:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net [166.32.112.69] by tidalwave.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-4.07) id A3BC3E90106; Mon, 01 Feb 1999 12:26:20 EST Message-ID: <36B5E4FF.D493349A@tidalwave.net> Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 12:31:43 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Anita Lauro <2xracers@XXXXXX> CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Evel Knievel Update [for something different to read about] References: <199902011654.LAA01187@radagast.wizard.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anita Lauro wrote: > He believes he contracted liver-destroying Hepatitis C during the > many transfusions he needed following spills on the motorcycle > circuit in the 1960s and 1970s. I thought he had a big time alcohol problem as well - I'm sure that didn't help out his liver either. Oh well, he was one of my childhood heroes (had a little wind up Evel Knievel doll and motorcycle, could zip that thing across the living room, came with it's own ramp) my first CB handle (that was big too back in the '70s) was DareDevil. I'm glad he's doing ok. -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You'll know she loves you if she offers horkster@XXXXXX to let you ride her bike. Don't do it Dale City, Virginia and she'll love you even more." 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - "BugSlayer" VA Tag: BGSLYR 1998 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - No name, and no fancy tag either 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 - Ours - But mostly mine From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 1 12:37:31 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from www.troutman.org (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA19750 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 12:37:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from vulture (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by www.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.56) with SMTP id 407; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 12:36:53 -0500 Message-Id: <4.1.19990201123549.019a1950@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 12:36:51 -0500 To: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mike Troutman" Subject: Re: Insurance - WTF??? (another rant) In-Reply-To: <8525670B.0058119F.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:00 AM 2/1/99 , christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX wrote: >like Allstate just isn't interested enough in keeping my business, so I'm >now going to go to all of the other national insurance companies and see >what I can get for transferring ALL of my policies to them. There's no >point sticking with Allstate if they want to screw their best customers >like this. Thats your best bet. Hit 'em where it hurts. Too bad you all can't get USAA like I have. They rock. Very very inexpensive, very easy to deal with. I have my house, car and bike through them. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org In 1974, a young female attorney helped draw up the rules under which Richard M. Nixon would be tried by the Congress for impeachment. "Impeachment," she wrote, "does not have to be for criminal offenses, but only for a 'course of conduct' that, while not particularly criminal, might be of such a nature that it destroys trust, discourages allegiance, and demands action by the Congress." She also wrote... "The Office of the President is such that it calls for a higher level of conduct than expected from the average citizen in the United States." This young female attorney who helped write the standard under which Presidents are to be judged by the House of Representatives has a unique perspective about the present situation in the White House. You see, this female attorney who said that an unethical "course of conduct" could overthrow a President is now the First "Lady", Hillary R. Clinton. From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 1 12:37:37 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com (ndcrelay2.mcit.com [166.37.172.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA19752 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 12:37:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta1.mcit.com (omta1.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id RAA23444; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 17:33:43 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta1.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990201173625.BSYH8311@toddnt>; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 11:36:25 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Kirk Roy" , "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Subject: RE: slip-ons Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 12:35:37 -0500 Message-ID: <002801be4e09$47cad560$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-reply-to: Kirk Roy Wrote: > On Mon, 1 Feb 1999, Fagan, Collin LT wrote: > > I guess poseur points for look and sound (who cares). > > I guess there are a lot of people that care. Who the !@#$ are you to > criticize them? :) Poseur points sell a lot of bikes (is someone a poser > if they spell poser fancy, like with a u in there?) I don't personally buy > into it but it's true. >Snip< > > For the R1, I've heard of getting 144 rwhp with just a slip on > and shimming > > the stock needles, but the main jets were changed out. > > I'm convinced! I'm going out at lunch time to order an R1, a slip on, and > some new mains! > > Kirk Are you sure you're old enough?! ;) T From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 1 12:40:24 1999 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA19811 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 12:40:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA04589 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 12:40:19 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 12:40:18 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: slip-ons In-Reply-To: <002801be4e09$47cad560$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 1 Feb 1999, Todd Peer wrote: > > > For the R1, I've heard of getting 144 rwhp with just a slip on > > > and shimming the stock needles, but the main jets were changed out. > > > > I'm convinced! I'm going out at lunch time to order an R1, a slip on, and > > some new mains! > > Are you sure you're old enough?! ;) I'm more than 16 now, isn't that enough? I just want 144 hp for peauseur points. I've got the necessary restraint to never use it except on a closed course. Kirk From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 1 13:00:07 1999 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA20316 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 13:00:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from mscex.mailteam.uscg.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA04185; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 12:37:25 -0500 (EST) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 13:01:38 -0500 Message-ID: <904D6E6114A7D211ACCD006008A37EBD032AD9@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LT" To: "'Alex Milenkovic'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Insurance - WTF??? (another rant) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 13:01:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Sorry for copying the entire attached message, but did I miss something here??? Looks like the list server took Alex's message and appended a message from Kirk on it....very strange... As for the R1 info...it came both from Jeff Atwell (very reliable and believable racer) as well as Rick Beggs (owner Fast Lane Cycles) so I believe it... On Monday, February 01, 1999 12:50 PM, Alex Milenkovic [SMTP:alexm@XXXXXX] wrote: > > I've been thinking about getting a new bike, and thought I'd check with my > > insurance agent (Allstate) to see what kind of rate I could get on a new F4 > > or a TL-S. She tells me (get this) she wants $1,800 for the F4 and $1,098 > > for the TL-S. > > > > Allstate is eeeeeevil. And greedy. Try state farm - they charged > me $400/yr for a Katana 600, and $450/yr for a VFR-750. I asked > them about a ZX-11 (just getting quotes, ya see) and they threw out > a figure of like $550/yr. Not bad for a 21 year old male. Allstate, > on the other hand, wanted $10,000 in florida for a YZF-1000. A year. > > Alex. > > pic somewhere that > show what can happen when you replace your chain and rear sprocket but not > the front. Check out http://www.hazmat.com/~mjb/echr/index.html and look > towards the middle of the page for the (small) pic. No teeth on the > countershaft sprocket... :) So much for being cheap - I had to buy a > complete set (replacing the chain and rear sprocket again). Oh, I also > learned NOT to replace important parts and then take off on a long trip... > > > If ya want to get the gains, you're going to have to spring for jets > > and as Kirk pointed out, more importantly reshaped needles. > > And no one will sell you needles outside of a jet kit. > > > For the R1, I've heard of getting 144 rwhp with just a slip on and shimming > > the stock needles, but the main jets were changed out. > > I'm convinced! I'm going out at lunch time to order an R1, a slip on, and > some new mains! > > Kirk From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 1 13:03:23 1999 Return-Path: Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc014.army.mil ([134.11.235.134]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA20351 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 13:03:22 -0500 (EST) Received: by dadc014.hqda.pentagon.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 13:02:27 -0500 Message-ID: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46F013042@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Insurance - WTF??? (another rant) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 13:02:19 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Hey Chris, don't feel so bad. I had Allstate for many years too, I've never had a claim with ANY insurance company and Allstate wanted like $6100 for the VFR. That's not a typo. Glenn > I've been thinking about getting a new bike, and thought I'd check with my > insurance agent (Allstate) to see what kind of rate I could get on a new > F4 > or a TL-S. She tells me (get this) she wants $1,800 for the F4 and $1,098 > for the TL-S. > From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 1 13:08:28 1999 Return-Path: wes@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA20438 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 13:08:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from pacman (sales-gw.corp.spg.erols.net [207.172.7.12]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA18527 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 13:08:24 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <4.1.19990201130216.00a5a360@pop.rcn.com> X-Sender: (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 13:11:21 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "wes 8-)#" Subject: My Last Word (Was RE: Jeez yall) In-Reply-To: <002701be4e08$232d7880$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> References: <904D6E6114A7D211ACCD006008A37EBD032ACC@MSCEX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Todd & all -- I made an incorrect assumption about the skill/experience level of the kids. That was my mistake. In retrospect, I should have done a little research before I spoke. I mean, I rode right past the guys and didn't stop to talk to them. As far as the "dead pool", that was done in jest between a couple of friends and I. NO -- I REPEAT NO -- salesmen at CP were involved or (to my recollection) even knew about it. While we were all hoping none of the kids wrecked (or, if they did, were hurt), I think we all gave in to the sick-joke reflex many of us possess. Jack, well, I think Jack fscked up pretty well. I believed him, too, not having been around long enough to realize what a shithead he is. I'm a little naive that way. I guess that since other people (Todd, Collin, Mike, Anita, Jeannette, Horkster, Robert, etc.) have excellent input, I just believed that the other listers would be up-front & honest as well. Looking back on it, I really wish I hadn't made the original post. I'm glad we were launched into a discussion about ethics, salespeople, responsibility, and the like -- the thread has generated some great discussion on some important topics. I'm not a CP-slammer, having received exemplary service from them since I bought my bike, but I can see why some people dislike them. After all, everyone has their own reasons for developing their opinions. I'm going to serve a penance of sorts by lapsing into lurk mode for a while. I will remain a faithful reader and will try to show up at whatever gatherings pop up in the next couple of months. (I'd have been at the Superbowl Party, but I spent the weekend with the flu) Keep the rubber side down, everyone. --wes > >The retraction about the riders experience level must have gotten lost in >the 80+ messages/day generated on DC-Cycles, and I'm man enough to apologize >to Jack for it. If you didn't say it Jack, sorry. > From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 1 13:10:48 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail04.usace.army.mil (mcxmail04.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.222]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA20469 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 13:10:26 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199902011810.NAA20469@meretrix.com> Received: by mcxmail04.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id <1DFQXN0D>; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 08:30:31 -0800 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: slip-ons Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 08:30:25 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) For the most part, if you JUST put a slip-on on your bike, you'll not need to do any rejetting. The jetting is affected by BOTH the intake and the exhaust, changing just one doesn't do anything but lower the blue-book value (stock items are more 'valuable' in banks eyes) and add a little eye-candy. If you happen to install a K&N or UNI free-flow filter though, in conjunction with your slip-on, you're going to need to adjust the carbs. All of a sudden, they have the ability to bring in more air, and quicker.. AND get rid of the exhaust gases slightly quicker (if the header's aren't changed, the total flow of the exhaust isn't going to change that much either).. your bike will then be running even leaner than the already lean factory settings (gets them by emissions). Note that putting an exhaust on your bike may change things you wanted to keep.. by opening up the headers for more air-flow, you'll loose a Lot of mid-range.. but gain some top-end speed.. great if you're a racer looking for that extra MPH going down the front straight.. but sucks if you're an arround town or weekend rider. But hey, it's your money, your desire to be 'different'.. spend it how you will.. Brian From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 1 13:32:51 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA20912 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 13:32:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id A33B1B00136; Mon, 01 Feb 1999 13:32:27 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990201131653.019360e0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 13:19:31 -0500 To: Kirk Roy , DC-Cycles Mailing List From: Chris Norloff Subject: poser vs. poseur [was: slip-ons In-Reply-To: References: <904D6E6114A7D211ACCD006008A37EBD032ACB@MSCEX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >On Mon, 1 Feb 1999, Fagan, Collin LT wrote: >> I guess poseur points for look and sound (who cares). > >At 11:56 AM 2/1/99 , Kirk Roy wrote: >I guess there are a lot of people that care. Who the !@#$ are you to >criticize them? :) Poseur points sell a lot of bikes (is someone a poser >if they spell poser fancy, like with a u in there?) I don't personally buy >into it but it's true. Poser is some who poses or a question or problem that poses. Poseur is one who affects a particular pose, such as to impress others. Most folks use them interchangeably, though I think poseur is used more often to mean someone with more style than substance. Except www.squidlys.com who spell it "pouser" ... I thought they'd been eating too much at Po' Folks restaurants. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 1 13:37:20 1999 Return-Path: Turnip@XXXXXX Received: from darius.concentric.net (darius.concentric.net [207.155.198.79]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA21012 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 13:37:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from mariner.cris.com (mariner [206.173.119.83]) by darius.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id NAA29578; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 13:37:12 -0500 (EST) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Errors-To: Received: from localhost by mariner.cris.com (8.8.5) id NAA03420; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 13:37:09 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 13:37:08 -0500 (EST) From: "Hugh A. Caldwell" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Insurance - WTF??? (another rant) In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990201123549.019a1950@mail.wheatintl.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 1 Feb 1999, Mike Troutman wrote: > At 11:00 AM 2/1/99 , christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX wrote: > >like Allstate just isn't interested enough in keeping my business, so I'm > >now going to go to all of the other national insurance companies and see > >what I can get for transferring ALL of my policies to them. There's no > >point sticking with Allstate if they want to screw their best customers > >like this. > > Thats your best bet. Hit 'em where it hurts. > > Too bad you all can't get USAA like I have. They rock. Very very > inexpensive, very easy to deal with. I have my house, car and bike through > them. > USAA also sends you a refund if they've made too much money :-). USAA RULES! p.s.: Do you think it might be possible to add the entire Encyclopedia Britanica to your sig file? ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek 97PGT ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 1 13:45:13 1999 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA21124 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 13:45:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from mscex.mailteam.uscg.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA08038 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 13:22:52 -0500 (EST) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 13:47:06 -0500 Message-ID: <904D6E6114A7D211ACCD006008A37EBD032ADB@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LT" To: "'dc'" Subject: hot concept bike Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 13:47:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain For those of you out there that think the R1 is for babies, and the Huyabusa is only playground material, take a look at this new beast supposedly set for production in year 2000! http://www.motorcycleworld.co.uk/biketests/mcn/solo/suzuki_gsx_r750/gsx.htm From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 1 13:57:36 1999 Return-Path: mberman@XXXXXX Received: from min.net (root@XXXXXX [208.222.210.19]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA21426 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 13:57:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from hamilton.arl.mil (hamilton.arl.mil [131.218.195.67]) by min.net (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA19847 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 13:57:07 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 13:54:21 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: Morris Berman To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: poser vs. poseur [was: slip-ons In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990201131653.019360e0@mail.toward.com> Message-ID: X-X-Sender: berman@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Had to do it: >From Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary (1913) (web1913) Poseur \Po`seur"\, n. masc.; pl. Poseurs, Poseuse \Po`seuse"\, n. fem.; pl. Poseuses, [F.] A person who poses or attitudizes, esp. mentally. >From WordNet (r) 1.6 (wn) poseur n : a person who habitually pretends to be something he is not [syn: {poser}] -------------------------------- >From Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary (1913) (web1913) Poser \Pos"er\, n. One who, or that which, puzzles; a difficult or inexplicable question or fact. --Bacon. >From WordNet (r) 1.6 (wn) poser n 1: a person who habitually pretends to be something he is not [syn: {poseur}] 2: a person who poses for a photographer or painter or sculptor; "the president didn't have time to be a model so the artist worked from photos" [syn: {model}] 3: a particularly difficult or baffling question or problem [syn: {stumper}, {toughie}] >From Jargon File (4.0.0/24 July 1996) (jargon) poser /n./ A {wannabee}; not hacker slang, but used among crackers, phreaks and {warez d00dz}. Not as negative as {lamer} or {leech}. Probably derives from a similar usage among punk-rockers and metalheads, putting down those who "talk the talk but don't walk the walk". -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, berman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL(DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C)#446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams On Mon, 1 Feb 1999, Chris Norloff wrote: > >On Mon, 1 Feb 1999, Fagan, Collin LT wrote: > >> I guess poseur points for look and sound (who cares). > > > >At 11:56 AM 2/1/99 , Kirk Roy wrote: > >I guess there are a lot of people that care. Who the !@#$ are you to > >criticize them? :) Poseur points sell a lot of bikes (is someone a poser > >if they spell poser fancy, like with a u in there?) I don't personally buy > >into it but it's true. > > > Poser is some who poses or a question or problem that poses. > > Poseur is one who affects a particular pose, such as to impress others. > > Most folks use them interchangeably, though I think poseur is used more > often to mean someone with more style than substance. > > Except www.squidlys.com who spell it "pouser" ... I thought they'd been > eating too much at Po' Folks restaurants. > > Chris Norloff > > > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 1 14:07:51 1999 Return-Path: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA21606 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 14:07:38 -0500 (EST) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo20.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id HSGYa19752; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 14:05:55 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 14:05:55 EST To: kirk@XXXXXX, christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Insurance - WTF??? (another rant) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 In a message dated 2/1/99 11:50:37 AM Eastern Standard Time, kirk@XXXXXX writes: > > Sounds like Allstate just isn't interested enough in keeping my > > business > > Allstate could care less about your motorcycle. Even telling them to kiss > your cars/house goodbye is futile. I have to agree. Allstate sucks. Marcy From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 1 14:14:05 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA21700 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 14:13:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA13240 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 14:13:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo26.mx.aol.com (known imo26.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.70]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA07700 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 14:13:51 -0500 (EST) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo26.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id SAHJa00808; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 14:12:53 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 14:12:53 EST To: Steve_Beck@XXXXXX, christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Insurance - WTF??? (another rant) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 I have a question - why on earth doesn't the AMA go about obtaining affordable group rate insurance for its members the way AAA does for automobile owner- members? They could do it nationwide with one or two companies and save all of us a TON of money and get themselves a lot of new members too I'm sure... Marcy From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 1 14:28:42 1999 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA22060 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 14:28:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mscex.mailteam.uscg.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA12092 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 14:06:34 -0500 (EST) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 14:30:48 -0500 Message-ID: <904D6E6114A7D211ACCD006008A37EBD032ADC@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LT" To: "'dc'" Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 14:30:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Saw this for sale on Ebay... good entry level race bike that'll probably go a lot cheaper than it's worth..current bit is at $885, but there's two days left on the auction... Has a couple of pics there as well... http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=61163419 NO RESERVE!!!! 1993 Yamaha Seca 2 racebike. Bike is in great mechanical condition. Cosmetics need some work. Mostly the exhaust has some bad scratches. Bike was raced last year in WERA D Superbike and Formula 2. It is a cheap and competitive way to get in to roadracing. It would also make a great track bike if you don't want to ding your pride and joy! The bike has; steering damper, white power rear shock, race glass, progressive springs, new front tire, slightly used rear tire, full race exhaust, completely wired, some spares....needs nothing to race. Would pass tech today! Please e-mail or call (319-462-3538) with questions. I might help with delivery if needed. The bike has a clean title. Good Luck.... From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 1 14:29:00 1999 Return-Path: Turnip@XXXXXX Received: from darius.concentric.net (darius.concentric.net [207.155.198.79]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA22070 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 14:28:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from viking.cris.com (viking [206.173.119.81]) by darius.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id OAA12018; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 14:28:52 -0500 (EST) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Errors-To: Received: from localhost by viking.cris.com (8.8.5) id OAA05280; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 14:28:51 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 14:28:51 -0500 (EST) From: "Hugh A. Caldwell" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: AMA computer game Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Apparently there will be some AMA sanctioned motorcycle racing games coming out. Go to http://www.cdmag.com fro more details. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek 97PGT ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 1 14:29:51 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA22080 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 14:29:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta1.mcit.com (omta1.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id SAA30422; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 18:28:34 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta1.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990201192903.CIUA8311@toddnt>; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 13:29:03 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Fagan, Collin LT" , "'dc'" Subject: RE: hot concept bike Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 14:28:14 -0500 Message-ID: <002e01be4e19$034cb420$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-reply-to: <904D6E6114A7D211ACCD006008A37EBD032ADB@MSCEX> Collin Fagen wrote: > > For those of you out there that think the R1 is for babies, and > the Huyabusa > is only playground material, take a look at this new beast supposedly set > for production in year 2000! > http://www.motorcycleworld.co.uk/biketests/mcn/solo/suzuki_gsx_r75 > 0/gsx.htm > Anyone got $49,000 to loan me indefinately? :) Todd From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 1 14:42:25 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA22331 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 14:42:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA13798 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 14:42:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (known ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA08937 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 14:42:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta1.mcit.com (omta1.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id TAA05107; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 19:40:22 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta1.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990201194033.CKKM8311@toddnt>; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 13:40:33 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: , , Cc: Subject: RE: Insurance - WTF??? (another rant) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 14:39:44 -0500 Message-ID: <002f01be4e1a$9e356c10$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-reply-to: The AMA allows Progressive to be the official moto-insurance company of the association. Progressive sucks too (MOO-My Opinion Only). They remind me of the GEICO of moto-insurance (flame-suit on, arms across chest, go ahead >:) Todd Marcy wrote: > I have a question - why on earth doesn't the AMA go about > obtaining affordable > group rate insurance for its members the way AAA does for > automobile owner- > members? They could do it nationwide with one or two companies > and save all of > us a TON of money and get themselves a lot of new members too I'm sure... > > Marcy > From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 1 14:58:12 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA22655 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 14:58:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA14150 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 14:58:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com (known imo11.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.1]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA09563 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 14:58:05 -0500 (EST) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo11.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 9XNCa04329; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 14:54:14 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4c145ada.36b60666@aol.com> Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 14:54:14 EST To: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Jeez yall - libel suit? HUH? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 In a message dated 2/1/99 11:24:35 AM Eastern Standard Time, WantA ZX6 writes: << << Heresay has it that the salesperson you libeled may want to sue you! Hahahahahaha. Funny. Now that's funny! >> >> I thank you for your apology and apologize to the list for the joke. As I look back, it was in bad taste, what can I say? Now, I am curious as to this thing about a libel suit? Where did this come from? After doing some research (including a quick word with my family legal counsel) it appears as though this salesman (whoever he may be) would have no basis for libel based on a few things. First, I never made reference to any one individual as to point them out. Libel means to slander someone or publish false information about them. I never published ANYTHING about this salesman. The only false info was about the crash which had nothing to do with him. That brings me to my next point, we have already ascertained that the salesman is not legally liable or responsible in any way with what a rider does with the bike he/she purchased. If the salesman WAS in fact liable then my crash tall tale would have been legal grounds for libel since I would have published something about him that could have him incorrectly charged with a crime. Since he is not liable therefore I did not slander him in any way. Next point, if he was referring to the "publishing" of the dead pool as slanderous, its impossible because I was not the originator of such an idea. If I had published such a thing after being told by someone else then it would be slanderous but it was previously posted. In the end, he can try whatever he feels like he needs to do. For his financial sake, I hope he doesnt. Also, it appears as though the only individual who would be in danger of a real libel suit would be Wes since he originally posted the the dead pool information and is the only libelous act of everything that has happened. Anyway, dont take this as flame bait, Im just stating about this talk of libel. If anyone would like to pick it apart, by all means go ahead... Jack From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 1 15:29:12 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA23191 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 15:29:09 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id PAA06974; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 15:30:27 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma006666; Mon, 1 Feb 99 15:29:09 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F6H00CNLSW1R1@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 15:29:05 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 8525670B.00703B09 ; Mon, 01 Feb 1999 15:25:51 -0500 Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 12:26:08 -0500 Subject: Re: Insurance - WTF??? (update) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <8525670B.005FDD6B.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Okay, folks, here's an update on my insurance search, for those who are interested: These are quotes for a new CBR600F4 with comprehensive coverage, $500 deductible, MSF, and clean record: Allstate: $1,800 !!! Progressive: $1,426 !! Nationwide: $280 (only with car also) Geico: No Coverage (they only cover motos with restricted access storage like garages) Farmer's Insurance: $207.40 (no ifs, ands or buts) So it looks like the grand prize winner of my future insurance dollars will be Farmer's Insurance. I'm a little afraid that the guy who gave me the quote must have entered in some figure wrong given the incredibly low price. A note to others looking for insurance - Nationwide does their own insurance (cheap) on motorcycles only if you have your car with them. If you don't have your car with them, they just sub it out to Progressive (expensive for "high performance" bikes). Also, Allstate has "surcharges" (read: ream-the-customer charges) for the following: Honda: All Interceptors (500cc & larger) - Inc. all VF & VFR models All Hurricanes - includes all CBR model number series Yamaha: All FZ & FZR model number series Kawasaki: All Ninjas (576cc & larger) - includes all ZX model number series All Eliminators (900cc & larger) Suzuki: All GSX-R Models and Katanas BMW: K1, K100RS, K1100RS, and K1100LT Chris Weaver ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 1 15:29:27 1999 Return-Path: zellto@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.157]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA23204 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 15:29:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from zellto (adsl-151-200-16-190.bellatlantic.net [151.200.16.190]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA11944; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 15:31:01 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <003401be4e21$e55cbce0$be10c897@zellto.bellatlantic.net> From: "Thomas and Jeannette" To: Cc: Subject: Re: Thank You, It Was Fun!! Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 15:31:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 We are?? ... Just kidding! Thanks for coming out folks! And for those folks who left food behind... thank you! The leftovers made for a great addition to my lunch this afternoon! :-) -Tom -----Original Message----- From: Jeannette_O'Brien@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Monday, February 01, 1999 9:58 AM Subject: Thank You, It Was Fun!! > > >Thanks to all who came to our party last night! Thomas & I had a great time and >are already thinking of when our next party should be!! > >- Jeannette > > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 1 15:35:30 1999 Return-Path: jstpeter@XXXXXX Received: from server.va.chesapeake-systems.com (machine01.intelx.com [209.117.191.130]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA23362 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 15:35:28 -0500 (EST) Received: by machine01.intelx.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 15:37:08 -0500 Message-ID: <90C111C01AB7D211AC85006097297A84E2C7@machine01.intelx.com> From: "Jay St. Peter" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: AMA Lawsuit Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 15:37:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain I sent the AMA a scathing letter regarding the recent lawsuit. I actually received a letter from Ed Youngblood (I'm sure it is a canned response sent to anyone in response to the RW article). It is kind of long, so I won't post it to the list (unless enough people are interested). If you want to read it, just e-mail me privately. Jay St. Peter From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 1 16:01:34 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA23834 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 16:01:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA15350 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 16:01:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.troutman.org (known www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA12835 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 16:01:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from vulture (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by www.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.56) with SMTP id 246 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 16:00:46 -0500 Message-Id: <4.1.19990201155534.035469d0@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 16:00:19 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mike Troutman" Subject: Re: Jeez yall - libel suit? HUH? In-Reply-To: <4c145ada.36b60666@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 02:54 PM 2/1/99 , WantAZX6@XXXXXX wrote: ><< << Heresay has it that the salesperson you libeled may want to sue you! >Hahahahahaha. Funny. Now that's funny! >> >> Now Jack - I'd say that the hearsay thing was a joke. Sarcasm is a subtle thing for some I suppose. I think the list accepts your apology, but why do you keep calling it a joke? A spoof maybe - but not funny...... Anyhoo - everyone needs to calm the F down. Sorry I missed the superbowl party. I'll be a no-show until I can bring Rhonda on some 2-up rides this Spring. (get her used to you all ;-) MT ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '91 Nighthawk 750 Naked bike, and too damn cold to ride From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 1 16:12:58 1999 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA24001 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 16:12:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA25173 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 16:12:49 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 16:12:48 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Insurance - WTF??? (update) In-Reply-To: <8525670B.005FDD6B.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 1 Feb 1999 christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX wrote: > A note to others looking for insurance - Nationwide does their own > insurance (cheap) on motorcycles only if you have your car with them. If > you don't have your car with them, they just sub it out to Progressive > (expensive for "high performance" bikes). This doesn't apply in MD. I have motorcycle insurance and only motorcycle insurance with them. They use Colonial in MD. Kirk From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 1 17:01:18 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net ([208.206.112.8]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA24984 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 17:01:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net [166.32.112.69] by tidalwave.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-4.07) id A2DDAE5012E; Mon, 01 Feb 1999 16:55:41 EST Message-ID: <36B62420.A8E13FDE@tidalwave.net> Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 17:01:04 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Insurance - WTF??? (update) References: <8525670B.005FDD6B.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX wrote: > > Geico: No Coverage (they only cover motos with restricted access > storage like garages) This is utter BS. I don't have a garage, and I've got 5 bikes insured through Geico. What I've found with Geico is that if you don't like a quote, or they flat out tell you know, wait 5 minutes and call back. You will get someone else, and probably get a different answer. I got BugSlayer insured through them that way (they originally told me no, after I had 4 other bikes with them). Geico does have surcharges for most sportbikes and Harleys, my Concours isn't on the "bad boyz" list, but I don't get the touring bike discount either. :( -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You'll know she loves you if she offers horkster@XXXXXX to let you ride her bike. Don't do it Dale City, Virginia and she'll love you even more." 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - "BugSlayer" VA Tag: BGSLYR 1998 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - No name, and no fancy tag either 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 - Ours - But mostly mine From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 1 17:03:48 1999 Return-Path: zbig@XXXXXX Received: from suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (root@XXXXXX [149.52.55.130]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA24998 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 17:03:42 -0500 (EST) From: zbig@XXXXXX Received: (from zbig@localhost) by suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA12641; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 16:40:10 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199902012140.QAA12641@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> Subject: Re: Insurance - WTF??? (update) To: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 16:40:09 -0500 (EST) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <8525670B.005FDD6B.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> from "christopher.a.weaver@us.pwcglobal.com" at Feb 1, 99 12:26:08 pm Reply-To: zbig@XXXXXX (Zbigniew J. Tyrlik) X-Phone: (703)-689-6975 X-Organization: Organized ? Just kidding.. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text > > Allstate: $1,800 !!! > Progressive: $1,426 !! > Nationwide: $280 (only with car also) > Geico: No Coverage (they only cover motos with restricted access storage > like garages) > Farmer's Insurance: $207.40 (no ifs, ands or buts) > > So it looks like the grand prize winner of my future insurance dollars will > be Farmer's Insurance. I'm a little afraid that the guy who gave me the > quote must have entered in some figure wrong given the incredibly low > price. > Farmers is best - especially if you have home and car with them. > > Chris Weaver _zjt -- ******************************************************************** Zbigniew J. Tyrlik DoD# 0759 CBR1100XX - BBird kleks@XXXXXX Free thinker, traveller, poet, happy father and husband.... From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 1 17:35:39 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA25554 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 17:35:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA16818 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 17:35:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from ams.amsinc.com (known ams.amsinc.com [162.70.244.20]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA17170 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 17:35:32 -0500 (EST) From: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX Received: from ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com (ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com [162.70.34.52]) by ams.amsinc.com (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with SMTP id RAA22872 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 17:35:31 -0500 (EST) Received: by ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com(Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (651.2 6-10-1998)) id 8525670B.007BE9E6 ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 17:33:28 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMSINC To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <8525670B.007BE787.00@ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com> Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 17:33:15 -0500 Subject: SPORT BIKE FOR SALE Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline reply to the seller, not me please! -Doug ---------------------- Forwarded by Douglas Brashear/AMS/AMSINC on 02/01/99 05:23 PM --------------------------- Bulletin Board: #The Exchange From: Tammy McCord Date: 02/01/99 01:14:38 PM Subject: SPORT BIKE FOR SALE FOR SALE: ' 93 Yamaha FZR-600, Purple. The bike is in EXCELLENT condition- garage kept! Only 4600 miles! FREE Xtras: Purple wind screen Tank Bra Vance & Heinz exhaust Bike Cover 2 helmets BRAND NEW professional jacket with zip out liner, weather-proof PRICE: $3500 (firm) Please contact Arie Picot at 703/266-6775 LMEF 3.1 From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 1 17:53:24 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA25815 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 17:53:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA16989 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 17:53:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (known saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA17778 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 17:53:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (zbig@XXXXXX [149.52.55.130]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA20484 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 17:53:13 -0500 (EST) From: zbig@XXXXXX Received: (from zbig@localhost) by suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA12836; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 17:50:19 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199902012250.RAA12836@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> Subject: Re: GPS Waypoints for Motorcyclists To: nomad98@XXXXXX (Nomad) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 17:50:18 -0500 (EST) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <19990201132402.26804.rocketmail@send103.yahoomail.com> from "Nomad" at Feb 1, 99 05:24:02 am Reply-To: zbig@XXXXXX (Zbigniew J. Tyrlik) X-Phone: (703)-689-6975 X-Organization: Organized ? Just kidding.. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text > Came across the following web site and thought it might be of interest > to some of you with GPS units: > > http://www.public.usit.net/roaddog/motorcycles/gps.htm > > Regards, Herb > '94 Magna (With non-watered downed gas!) > > > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > Maybe we should start our own databse for VA, WV, MD and DC ? we can store it on someone's web page. what format ? SA5, SA6, Waypoint, txt ?? Format used on the above site does not allow for quick integration with exising software. Looks like g7to is a piece of software capable to talk to Lawrance/Eagle/Garmin, and to download waypoints into standard format. Also: just purchased Garmin III+; they are available at local Wal-marts; you have to find the box yourself, ususally well hidden in sports area next to guns. Price with VA tax was 384. III+ offers updated basic maps + capability to download maps from a CD-rom; CD-rom is on a pricey side ( $100), but I will be buying one. Owners of GArmin III - you may want to upgrade; downloadable maps give you street level details like Street Atlas 5/6 ( both are based on TIGER maps database). III+ allow to store few counties in it, so it should be OK for a average daily ride. _zjt -- ******************************************************************** Zbigniew J. Tyrlik DoD# 0759 CBR1100XX - BBird kleks@XXXXXX Free thinker, traveller, poet, happy father and husband.... From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 1 19:02:52 1999 Return-Path: l4rite@XXXXXX Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA27038 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 19:02:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from l4rite (207-172-54-160.s160.tnt16.brd.erols.com [207.172.54.160]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA12831 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 19:02:48 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <00be01be4e3f$14e4d5c0$a036accf@l4rite> From: "Leslie" To: "dc-cycles" Subject: Re: Insurance - WTF??? (another rant) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 19:00:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0810.800 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0810.800 Too bad you all can't get USAA like I have. They rock. Very very inexpensive, very easy to deal with. I have my house, car and bike through them. Mike Troutman Yes USAA does rule.....insured 93 T-bird, Katana and KLR 650 for $1023 a year...not bad considering that I was paying $973 for 9 month coverage with Progressive....on the Katana alone......... If you are active duty military or child of a retired offficer, you should really try to get a policy with them.....saved me enough cash that I can seriosly start looking for a new (read used, new to me) motorcross bike.....enjoy the rain and thanxxx again Leon for providing much enjoyment in the gravel yesterday...I say we hit the gravel roads up there near Seneca Rock again....Thanx Les...Kat, KLR.... From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 1 19:18:25 1999 Return-Path: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA27294 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 19:18:24 -0500 (EST) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo13.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id OAEOa05309; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 19:08:51 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: <96ede3c8.36b64213@aol.com> Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 19:08:51 EST To: Jeannette_O'Brien@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Thank You, It Was Fun!! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 In a message dated 2/1/99 9:52:17 AM Eastern Standard Time, Jeannette_O'Brien@XXXXXX writes: << Thanks to all who came to our party last night! Thomas & I had a great time and are already thinking of when our next party should be!! - Jeannette >> You're welcome and Thanks for having us. I had fun also. Tell Tom I'm getting my VR Headgear back tomorrow so, maybe we can try it out on that monster of a computer he has. Scooter From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 1 19:23:26 1999 Return-Path: mrider@XXXXXX Received: from server1.illuminet.net (root@XXXXXX [205.215.54.51] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA27378 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 19:23:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrider.illuminet.net (cust045.quantico.illuminet.net [209.44.72.45]) by server1.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA05400; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 19:23:36 -0500 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19990202001428.006af38c@illuminet.net> X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 19:14:28 -0500 To: Chris Norloff , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Hosed There are valid reasons to avoid washing a motorcycle. :-) Leon. At 08:09 AM 2/1/99 -0500, Chris Norloff wrote: >Made a tactical error last night - I decided to hose off the bike after >dusting it on Leon's dirty ride Sunday. The temperature was 40 deg. F when >I got home, so I figured it would be okay. > >But by the time I hosed it off it must have been a lot colder because 30 >minutes later the water had frozen on the bike. > >So this morning I barely got the saddlebag open to stow my gear. Then the >fork lock was frozen, and that took a few minutes with a lighter on the key >to thaw it out. Then the starter button was frozen but I worked it loose. >The ignition was tight but still worked. I broke the sheets of ice off the >seat. I checked the brakes real carefully before I pulled out! > >The windshield was completely frozed over, but I don't look through it so I >was okay. As it got lighter outside I could see icicles hanging off my >instrument panel. > >Fortunately it'll be in a garage today, so it should be fully thawed for >the rider home. > >oops, >Chris Norloff > > > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 1 19:31:42 1999 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA27545 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 19:31:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from crxja001.wachovia.com ([199.4.241.53]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA06236; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 19:27:47 -0500 Message-Id: <199902020027.TAA06236@radagast.wizard.net> From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: zbig@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 19:25:52 -0500 Subject: Re: GPS Waypoints for Motorcyclists CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Priority: normal In-reply-to: <199902012250.RAA12836@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> References: <19990201132402.26804.rocketmail@send103.yahoomail.com> from "Nomad" at Feb 1, 99 05:24:02 am X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) Zbig, I just bought a GPS, too. I got the Lowrance GM100... it also has downloadable maps. It'd be cool to compile some waypoints, but I haven't tried g7to. If it would work with everyone's GPS, then it might be worth a try! Anita From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 1 19:43:13 1999 Return-Path: ljtanner@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA27714 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 19:43:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from LJTanner (207-172-70-253.s253.tnt11.brd.erols.com [207.172.70.253]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA11771 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 19:43:00 -0500 (EST) From: "Linda Tanner" To: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: RE: Bike stands - Need advice Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 19:42:46 -0500 Message-ID: <005101be4e44$f3825460$3821accf@LJTanner.arl.mci.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 In-reply-to: <3.0.6.32.19990129224014.0125b660@ns2.pgcc.net> Importance: Normal Sorry to be so late about this, but I've been in beautiful downtown Okeechobee FL (on business, no less). So... You do not need a centerstand to change the oil on a CBR. Being the proud owner (for the last three years) and nearly innumerable oil changes, I can say pretty much for certain. I don't think the F4 changed that much. BTW, the centerstand is standard on Euro models, but not on north american. Who know why??? A bike stand is useful regardless. LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze (52K miles and counting) http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ -----Original Message----- From: Brad [mailto:F4Rider@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, January 29, 1999 10:40 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Bike stands - Need advice Well, I got the F4, must say that I absolutely LOVE it. It would appear that I have no center stand, so I'm in the market for a good stand. I know this went through the list a while back, but I had the EX500 at the time, and didn't pay attention. So, I need to know what I should buy for a GOOD stand(s), for changing oil, removing rear and front tires, etc. No need to clog the list with useless chatter, if you could respond privately, that would be fine. Thanks, --Brad From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 1 20:26:27 1999 Return-Path: zbig@XXXXXX Received: from suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (zbig@XXXXXX [149.52.55.130]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA28395 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 20:26:24 -0500 (EST) From: zbig@XXXXXX Received: (from zbig@localhost) by suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA13096; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 20:26:20 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199902020126.UAA13096@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> Subject: Re: GPS Waypoints for Motorcyclists To: 2xracers@XXXXXX (Anita Lauro) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 20:26:19 -0500 (EST) Cc: zbig@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <199902020027.TAA06236@radagast.wizard.net> from "Anita Lauro" at Feb 1, 99 07:25:52 pm Reply-To: zbig@XXXXXX (Zbigniew J. Tyrlik) X-Phone: (703)-689-6975 X-Organization: Organized ? Just kidding.. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text > Zbig, > > I just bought a GPS, too. I got the Lowrance GM100... it also has > downloadable maps. It'd be cool to compile some waypoints, but I > haven't tried g7to. If it would work with everyone's GPS, then it > might be worth a try! > precisely. you can download g7to from the net; usually one of best starting points is Joe Mehaffy web site http://joe.mehaffy.com ( joe is an old regular on sci.geo.satellite-nav ). I went with Garmin since I already had II+, and I am used to operate this box while driving. Also, I finally found good location for my GPS - velcroed to clutch fluid container. Just fits under screen, what on XX is an accomplishment... > Anita > > _zjt -- ******************************************************************** Zbigniew J. Tyrlik DoD# 0759 CBR1100XX - BBird kleks@XXXXXX Free thinker, traveller, poet, happy father and husband.... From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 1 21:20:57 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA29298 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 21:20:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.22]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Mon, 01 Feb 1999 21:06:56 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "Hugh A. Caldwell" , Subject: RE: Insurance - WTF??? (another rant) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 21:12:27 -0500 Message-ID: <007c01be4e51$7abbd440$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Ditto State Farm. Many insurance cos. like this. Basically, instead of buying just a policy, you are buying ownership in the company. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" > USAA also sends you a refund if they've made too much > money :-). USAA RULES! From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 1 21:30:51 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA29486 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 21:30:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA19279 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 21:30:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (known imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA25785 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 21:30:46 -0500 (EST) From: Clayptlabs@XXXXXX Received: from Clayptlabs@XXXXXX by imo13.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id OMGa005309 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 21:19:45 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: <1921df29.36b660c1@aol.com> Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 21:19:45 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Helmets Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 Before you even think about flaming.... this is not an attempt to cause a fight. These are honest questions. I just bought a Shoei RF-800. This is my first fullface as I am a Harley rider that has always had a 1/2 helmet. So just don't lecture me. What i am curious about is a couple things. #1, why is the little tab that you lift the visor with only on the left side? When I stop at a light and need to lift it, my left hand is holding the clutch in, as in the MSF class. So I have to reach across? Why? #2, similarly the little lever used to crack the visor is on the left too? #3, is there any tint that can be put on or in the visor, similar to the tint at the top of a car's windshield? It seems as though the top edge of the helmet is further back than what i am used to with the 1/2 helmet. On an observation too, I find that when I do a head check, the helmet hits my shoulder. I suspect with a forward riding position, this would not be the case, but is proving to be kind of annoying. Any tips? Can visors be purchased with tabs on both sides? If it was going to be on only one side why not the right? Dave in Manassas aka SOOOEY From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 1 22:02:24 1999 Return-Path: Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc014.army.mil ([134.11.235.134]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA00139 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 22:02:23 -0500 (EST) Received: by dadc014.hqda.pentagon.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id <1DLMGBD1>; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 22:01:34 -0500 Message-ID: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46F01305E@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Insurance - WTF??? (update) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 22:01:33 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Chris, I think you are going to find that Farmers requires you to have a car insured with them to get a bike insured by them. At least that was the way it was with me about 6 months ago. Glenn > Okay, folks, here's an update on my insurance search, for those who are > interested: > > These are quotes for a new CBR600F4 with comprehensive coverage, $500 > deductible, MSF, and clean record: > > Allstate: $1,800 !!! > Progressive: $1,426 !! > Nationwide: $280 (only with car also) > Geico: No Coverage (they only cover motos with restricted access storage > like garages) > Farmer's Insurance: $207.40 (no ifs, ands or buts) > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 1 22:34:33 1999 Return-Path: mobacc@XXXXXX Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA00633 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 22:34:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-26.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.67]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA02268 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 22:34:30 -0500 Message-ID: <013201be4e5c$865c3460$4310b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "Dc Cycles" Subject: Re: Thank You, It Was Fun!! Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 22:31:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2120.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 And Thank You, Jeannette and Tom, especially for the cordial house tour. Great party (and chili). Regret having to leave early (I did lose track of time and had to scurry out). Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 -- > Mistake, dragging me away from that good time Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. -----Original Message----- From: Jeannette_O'Brien@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Monday, February 01, 1999 9:52 AM Subject: Thank You, It Was Fun!! > > >Thanks to all who came to our party last night! Thomas & I had a great time and >are already thinking of when our next party should be!! > >- Jeannette > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 1 22:35:12 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA00703 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 22:35:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA19850 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 22:35:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.erols.com (known smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA27233 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 22:35:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-99-225.s225.tnt13.ann.erols.com [207.172.99.225]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA29973; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 22:34:55 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36B67A4C.E0E9273B@geocities.com> Date: Mon,