From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 1 00:12:11 1999 Return-Path: true911@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.157]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA06569 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 00:12:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from mygamer (client196-127-17.bellatlantic.net [151.196.127.17]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id AAA06195 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 00:13:50 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199902010513.AAA06195@smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: true911@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 00:03:15 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mark E. Truelove" Subject: Rats! Missed the festivities, but I have a PARTY INVITE, too... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sorry, especially to Tom & Jeannette (couldn't find your phone number, DOH!), but I had a little crisis at work today, and had to respond. Hope the party was a blast! On a related note, my neighbor and I are throwing our 6th annual Winter Party next Saturday night. Last year (see pics on my web page, in the sig), we had about 300 people, and word is spreading... It's very much a crossroads of neighborhood folks, his friends & work buds, my friends and work buds, and often those brought by said invitees, so it's a great place to meet and mingle. There will be live music by four local groups, kegs of microbrew and standard stuff, and it will probably go VERY late. Anyone from dc-cycles is welcome to attend. This is out of the way for most of you, I know (I'm in Baltimore), but I think those with the time to make the trip will find it worthwhile. Also, feel free to bring anyone you can vouch for. Sorry to put it that way, but with the size, the only problems we've had in past are from friends of friends who we didn't know directly. :( But you guys and gals have invited me openly into your homes enough times that I know you all have good taste. :) Please reply to me directly (sort of RSVP) if you think you might attend, and if you think you might ride, tell me, and I'll try to set up a bikes-only parking area in a relatively visible space. I'll send you the information in text and/or an image of the invitation, with all the information on it. Looking forward to seeing the gang, especially since I was out of commission today. Cheers! MET ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark E. Truelove (true@XXXXXX)=A0= http://members.bellatlantic.net/~true911/ 1992 VFR750 (The Crow)=A0=A0=A0 1985 VF500 ('Kitty)=A0=A0=A0 1972 CB350 (In= Hibernation) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 1 00:24:25 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA06726 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 00:24:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA02884 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 00:24:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (known saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA19536 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 00:24:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([208.206.112.8]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id AAA08438 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 00:24:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net [208.220.24.112] by tidalwave.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-4.07) id A939F7A007A; Mon, 01 Feb 1999 00:18:49 EST Message-ID: <36B53AA2.746C03A2@tidalwave.net> Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 00:24:50 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Leon Begeman CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: The Dirt Road Ride References: <1.5.4.32.19990131205827.0069eef4@illuminet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Leon wrote: > I'm impressed, that's a tough road to ride with a big, top heavy > touring bike. Heh, it was easy to ride if you were playing tail end charlie like I was and didn't mind spraying a little gravel. Come up on the switchback, inside foot out, a little lean, a lot of throttle, and voila! the bike is pointed in the new direction... :) FWIW, I don't think I would have tried that method with the Connie. :) I had fun, the pace was good for the transplanted vintage streetbike crowd (i.e. me). Dale -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 - It gets top billing for a change. :) 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Tag: BGSLYR 1998 Kawasaki Concours (No, it's not a typo!) From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 1 02:00:43 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA08304 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 02:00:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id CAA03957 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 02:00:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA20573 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 02:00:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.45]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Mon, 01 Feb 1999 01:56:32 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "DC Cycles Mailing List" , "Dale Horstman" Subject: RE: $100 for two Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 02:02:19 -0500 Message-ID: <00d101be4db0$ced37520$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: <36B538DE.B11927CE@tidalwave.net> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal At least it was moto-related for a change. To be honest, right now the collection isn't very pretty. The '81 has the radiator removed (seriously more difficult than it should have been) and the valve and cam covers have been removed. They need polishing, plus I have to do the valve timing and replace the cam belts. Plus the forks have been removed. And all plastic (except the rear fender). While it's in this state, I'm thinking that I'll pull the rear and replace the clutch. Also want to open up the mechanical advance and make sure the weights are all moving freely. The '79 is much cleaner, but is showing signs of neglect. Front brakes need a total redo (but considering the price of pistons, I hope they are okay. Maybe I can get by with pads and fluid) Also the rear seems full of grease. Hopefully it's just oil that got mixed with water. I really have no desire to pull the diff and clean it out. Still, lots of fun. Except that my arm is ready to fall off from trying to polish some aluminum parts. I think the clearcoat is harder than the aluminum. I'm definitely ready to speed some money on buffing wheels for the grinder motor and some small buffing pads for the dremel. But, rent is due, so new tools get put off for a while:( ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" > Cool beans! I always liked the older Goldwings - I might have > to ride over there and check out your collection someday - you > keep doing the no-show thing at List gatherings... :) From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 1 08:19:54 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA14891 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 08:19:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id A9F62E70292; Mon, 01 Feb 1999 08:19:50 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990201080442.00ff7770@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 08:09:45 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Hosed Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Made a tactical error last night - I decided to hose off the bike after dusting it on Leon's dirty ride Sunday. The temperature was 40 deg. F when I got home, so I figured it would be okay. But by the time I hosed it off it must have been a lot colder because 30 minutes later the water had frozen on the bike. So this morning I barely got the saddlebag open to stow my gear. Then the fork lock was frozen, and that took a few minutes with a lighter on the key to thaw it out. Then the starter button was frozen but I worked it loose. The ignition was tight but still worked. I broke the sheets of ice off the seat. I checked the brakes real carefully before I pulled out! The windshield was completely frozed over, but I don't look through it so I was okay. As it got lighter outside I could see icicles hanging off my instrument panel. Fortunately it'll be in a garage today, so it should be fully thawed for the rider home. oops, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 1 08:20:01 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA14894 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 08:19:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA07720 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 08:19:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA24589 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 08:19:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id A9F32E70292; Mon, 01 Feb 1999 08:19:50 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990201082557.00fee5d0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 08:27:22 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Be on the lookout revisited.... In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 03:48 PM 1/30/99 , WantAZX6@XXXXXX wrote: >In a message dated 1/30/99 3:46:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, wes@XXXXXX >writes: > ><< Next time, Jack, stop trying to impress the listers and keep your > falsehoods to yourself. >> > >LOL, sorry, I was bored....needed to spice the list up a bit. I didnt think >anyone believed me anyway. On a similar note, I saw them up at Colemans on >Friday afternoon. Hmm, happened to notice the whole crew was there, MINUS the >blue ZX9. Maybe, I am just psychic? > >Jack > >Jack I think you'd be much happier on rec.moto -- the Usenet newsgroup '"about" motorcycles. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 1 08:21:07 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA14980 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 08:21:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA07733 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 08:21:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (known saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA24605 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 08:21:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from send103.yahoomail.com (send103.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.92]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA11014 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 08:20:59 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990201132402.26804.rocketmail@send103.yahoomail.com> Received: from [204.108.10.1] by send103.yahoomail.com; Mon, 01 Feb 1999 05:24:02 PST Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 05:24:02 -0800 (PST) From: Nomad Subject: GPS Waypoints for Motorcyclists To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Came across the following web site and thought it might be of interest to some of you with GPS units: http://www.public.usit.net/roaddog/motorcycles/gps.htm Regards, Herb '94 Magna (With non-watered downed gas!) _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 1 08:31:56 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA15159 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 08:31:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA07825 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 08:31:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (known saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA24808 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 08:31:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from send103.yahoomail.com (send103.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.92]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA11087 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 08:31:49 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990201133454.3329.rocketmail@send103.yahoomail.com> Received: from [204.108.10.1] by send103.yahoomail.com; Mon, 01 Feb 1999 05:34:54 PST Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 05:34:54 -0800 (PST) From: Nomad Subject: GPS Waypoints To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >Came across the following web site and thought it might be of interest to some of you with GPS units: http://www.public.usit.net/roaddog/motorcycles/gps.htm> My error: Only the Tennessee page was data (thus far). Regards, Herb '94 Magna (With the watered downed Web site) _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 1 08:46:47 1999 Return-Path: ehand@XXXXXX Received: from dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA15434 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 08:46:45 -0500 (EST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id HAA12152; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 07:46:00 -0600 (CST) Received: from enduser.faa.gov(204.108.10.1) by dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma012107; Mon Feb 1 07:45:47 1999 Message-ID: <36B5AF30.33FAB522@ix.netcom.com> Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 08:42:09 -0500 From: Ed Hand X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Norloff CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Hosed References: <4.1.19990201080442.00ff7770@mail.toward.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris, Are you trying to see what your bike would look like if it does sleet today? Ed 92 FJ1200 Chris Norloff wrote: > Made a tactical error last night - I decided to hose off the bike after > dusting it on Leon's dirty ride Sunday. The temperature was 40 deg. F when > I got home, so I figured it would be okay. > > But by the time I hosed it off it must have been a lot colder because 30 > minutes later the water had frozen on the bike. > > So this morning I barely got the saddlebag open to stow my gear. Then the > fork lock was frozen, and that took a few minutes with a lighter on the key > to thaw it out. Then the starter button was frozen but I worked it loose. > The ignition was tight but still worked. I broke the sheets of ice off the > seat. I checked the brakes real carefully before I pulled out! > > The windshield was completely frozed over, but I don't look through it so I > was okay. As it got lighter outside I could see icicles hanging off my > instrument panel. > > Fortunately it'll be in a garage today, so it should be fully thawed for > the rider home. > > oops, > Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 1 08:49:12 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail04.usace.army.mil ([137.161.200.222]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA15444 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 08:49:10 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199902011349.IAA15444@meretrix.com> Received: by mcxmail04.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id <1C1HP1NC>; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 05:48:10 -0800 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Hosed Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 05:48:06 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Like, that sucks.. eh? Hand me a beer hoser.... (ok, now I need to go rent Strange Brew again.. ) Brian From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 1 09:13:45 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA15824 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 09:13:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id A68515AF006A; Mon, 01 Feb 1999 09:13:25 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990201091134.018eb1c0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 09:20:46 -0500 To: Ed Hand From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Hosed Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <36B5AF30.33FAB522@ix.netcom.com> References: <4.1.19990201080442.00ff7770@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sleet? Have I been doing the winter rider routine again? ("You know you're a winter rider when the traffic report is more important than the weather report" -- Leon Begeman). Good thing I was practicing my riding on low-traction surfaces yesterday with Leon and the other crazi^H^H^H^H^H^H enthusiasts. :-) Chris Norloff At 08:42 AM 2/1/99 , Ed Hand wrote: >Chris, > >Are you trying to see what your bike would look like if it does sleet today? > >Ed > >92 FJ1200 > >Chris Norloff wrote: > >> Made a tactical error last night - I decided to hose off the bike after >> dusting it on Leon's dirty ride Sunday. The temperature was 40 deg. F when >> I got home, so I figured it would be okay. >> >> But by the time I hosed it off it must have been a lot colder because 30 >> minutes later the water had frozen on the bike. >> >> So this morning I barely got the saddlebag open to stow my gear. Then the >> fork lock was frozen, and that took a few minutes with a lighter on the key >> to thaw it out. Then the starter button was frozen but I worked it loose. >> The ignition was tight but still worked. I broke the sheets of ice off the >> seat. I checked the brakes real carefully before I pulled out! >> >> The windshield was completely frozed over, but I don't look through it so I >> was okay. As it got lighter outside I could see icicles hanging off my >> instrument panel. >> >> Fortunately it'll be in a garage today, so it should be fully thawed for >> the rider home. >> >> oops, >> Chris Norloff > > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 1 09:41:02 1999 Return-Path: Jeannette_O'Brien@XXXXXX Received: from relay1.UU.NET (relay1.UU.NET [192.48.96.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA16234 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 09:41:01 -0500 (EST) From: Jeannette_O'Brien@XXXXXX Received: from 172.16.2.37 by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: user252.shawpittman.com [208.200.185.252]) id QQgarq27287 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 09:39:50 -0500 (EST) Received: by 172.16.2.37(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.3 (733.2 10-16-1998)) id 8525670B.0050D688 ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 09:42:58 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SPPT cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <8525670B.0050D5D4.00@172.16.2.37> Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 09:35:34 -0500 Subject: Thank You, It Was Fun!! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Thanks to all who came to our party last night! Thomas & I had a great time and are already thinking of when our next party should be!! - Jeannette From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 1 09:41:49 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA16244 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 09:41:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA08773 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 09:41:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from ckgppxy1.proxy.att.com (known ckmsfw1.att.com [12.20.58.157]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA26362 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 09:41:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from dcn73.dcn.att.com ([135.44.68.33]) by ckgppxy1.proxy.att.com (AT&T/IPNS/GW-1.0) with SMTP id JAA16240 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 09:41:06 -0500 (EST) Received: by dcn73.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BE4DC6.EAF4D5D0@XXXXXX>; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 09:40:35 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Carver, John" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Firewood??? No MC content Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 09:40:34 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I would like to purchase some firewood and I wanted to ask if anyone knows of a good deal around the Reston area. I do not have the means to pick up the wood, so delivery would be necessary. TIA. John 98 VFR From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 1 10:06:53 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com (ndcrelay2.mcit.com [166.37.172.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA16752 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 10:06:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta1.mcit.com (omta1.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA18693; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 15:03:29 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta1.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990201150611.SBJ8311@toddnt>; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 09:06:11 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: Cc: Subject: RE: Thank You, It Was Fun!! Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 10:05:25 -0500 Message-ID: <001101be4df4$4bec9f30$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-reply-to: <8525670B.0050D5D4.00@172.16.2.37> Thanks for having us. It was fun! Todd > > > Thanks to all who came to our party last night! Thomas & I had a > great time and > are already thinking of when our next party should be!! > > - Jeannette > > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 1 10:06:59 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net ([208.206.112.8]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA16755 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 10:06:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net [166.32.112.69] by tidalwave.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-4.07) id A1AB27500FE; Mon, 01 Feb 1999 10:00:59 EST Message-ID: <36B5C2EF.688157CF@tidalwave.net> Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 10:06:23 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Norloff CC: Ed Hand , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Hosed References: <4.1.19990201080442.00ff7770@mail.toward.com> <4.1.19990201091134.018eb1c0@mail.toward.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris Norloff wrote: > > Good thing I was practicing my riding on low-traction surfaces yesterday > with Leon and the other crazi^H^H^H^H^H^H enthusiasts. I've noticed a difference already. On the Connie this morning, saw a patch of sand in the middle of an intersection as I was turning left. Instead of avoiding it, I *AIMED* for it, made sure I spun the rear a little. :) My Connie doesn't know all the fun that it missed yesterday. Dale (Not like it could have gotten any dirtier, though.) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You'll know she loves you if she offers horkster@XXXXXX to let you ride her bike. Don't do it Dale City, Virginia and she'll love you even more." 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - "BugSlayer" VA Tag: BGSLYR 1998 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - No name, and no fancy tag either 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 - Ours - But mostly mine From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 1 10:16:18 1999 Return-Path: bnorton@XXXXXX Received: from netgate.anent.com (netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA16928 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 10:16:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from bruce ([208.195.115.89] (may be forged)) by netgate.anent.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with SMTP id KAA10770; Mon, 01 Feb 1999 10:19:09 -0500 Message-ID: <003901be4df5$ed44fc00$5973c3d0@bruce> From: "Bruce Norton" To: Cc: Subject: Re: Thank You, It Was Fun!! Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 10:17:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Thanks should be to you and Tom for hosting everyone else. I, for one, had a great time!!! Bruce >Thanks to all who came to our party last night! Thomas & I had a great time and >are already thinking of when our next party should be!! > >- Jeannette From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 1 10:48:56 1999 Return-Path: CBR600twt@XXXXXX Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com (imo21.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.65]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA17514 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 10:48:51 -0500 (EST) From: CBR600twt@XXXXXX Received: from CBR600twt@XXXXXX by imo21.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id QZBTa07792; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 10:47:44 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <132703a8.36b5cca0@aol.com> Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 10:47:44 EST To: Jeannette_O'Brien@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Thank You, It Was Fun!! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 41 Thanks Jeanette & Tom for the great hospitality! Great food, beverages and conversation. Tom T. From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 1 11:01:53 1999 Return-Path: mehran7@XXXXXX Received: from send105.yahoomail.com (send105.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.128]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA17753 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 11:01:48 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990201160237.7124.rocketmail@send105.yahoomail.com> Received: from [209.48.228.195] by send105.yahoomail.com; Mon, 01 Feb 1999 08:02:37 PST Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 08:02:37 -0800 (PST) From: Mehran Subject: Re: slip-ons To: STARAI@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Just an FYI - I heard from Vance & Hines that they will have a new Titanium Alloy Slip-on Pipe called the S4 available for various bikes (Like the R1) in Mid-March. It dows not require jetting. ---STARAI@XXXXXX wrote: > > I asked my dealer about slip-ons and a jet kit. He said I don't need the jet > kit. Tuning will do the job. What do you think? > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 1 11:09:54 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA17860 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 11:09:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA10032 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 11:09:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com (known ndcrelay2.mcit.com [166.37.172.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA00155 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 11:09:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta1.mcit.com (omta1.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id QAA23576; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 16:06:20 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta1.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990201160903.BDYZ8311@toddnt>; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 10:09:03 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: , Subject: RE: Jeez yall Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 11:08:16 -0500 Message-ID: <001c01be4dfd$13a72ba0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-reply-to: <6173d853.36b3a697@aol.com> Go, away, Jack. Your 'Joke' turned into a (needless?) controversy about dealer ethics, the problems of rich newbies, and a host of opinions that mattered one way or the other, but never the same. You also took it upon yourself to 'spice things up' by slamming a business for its employee practices. Heresay has it that the salesperson you libeled may want to sue you! Hahahahahaha. Funny. Now that's funny! Now, make good on your promise of months gone by, go away. You fucking liar! And just in case you don't finally slink away with your pubescent wit tangled at your feet, like Zbig said many months ago, "Welcome to my kill-file". Todd > > Ever heard of a joke? Oh well, uptight seems to be the standard for this > list. LIGHTEN UP PEOPLE! > BTW, who was it that said that all those kids had no riding experience? > Anyway, chill out and dont take everything so seriously and anally. > > Jack > In a message dated 1/30/99 3:46:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, wes@XXXXXX writes: << Next time, Jack, stop trying to impress the listers and keep your falsehoods to yourself. >> LOL, sorry, I was bored....needed to spice the list up a bit. I didnt think anyone believed me anyway. On a similar note, I saw them up at Colemans on Friday afternoon. Hmm, happened to notice the whole crew was there, MINUS the blue ZX9. Maybe, I am just psychic? Jack Jack From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 1 11:22:49 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA18153 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 11:22:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA10267 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 11:22:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo29.mx.aol.com (known imo29.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.73]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA00737 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 11:22:42 -0500 (EST) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo29.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 9XDCa01223 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 11:22:02 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <2c11eb6e.36b5d4aa@aol.com> Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 11:22:02 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Jeez yall (and farewell) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 In a message dated 2/1/99 11:09:09 AM Eastern Standard Time, todd.b.peer@XXXXXX writes: << You also took it upon yourself to 'spice things up' by slamming a business for its employee practices. >> This is the ONLY section that I will publicly address. When has anyone on this list NOT slammed Colemans at some point or another? We all have so dont EVEN put it on me that I "slammed a business for its employee practices" like they are such a respectable business. Remember that this whole thread was started because of someone posting that a bunch of (and I quote) "little to no riding experience and no MSF class" kids bought high power bikes. Well it turns out that they DO have experience and that statement was bullshit. The rest of what you said, well, to each his own. And Im amazed that someone would go that far to be so rude over something so petty. Did you feel embarrassed that you were "duped" and therefore got hostile? Hehehe, I guess I did a better job at it than I thought I did. Jack PS- on a sidenote, Ive come to find this list quite boring and with the shear volume of list related mail Im getting from several lists, I gotta ditch one and this is the one. Good luck to you all in the future and I hope to see some of you at Summit this year. From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 1 11:24:18 1999 Return-Path: alexm@XXXXXX Received: from gate1.sprintlink.net (gate1.sprintlink.net [199.0.233.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA18171 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 11:24:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from athens.res.sprintlink.net by gate1.sprintlink.net via smtpd (for dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) with SMTP; 1 Feb 1999 16:24:06 UT Received: from localhost (alexm@localhost) by athens.res.sprintlink.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA13501 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 11:24:00 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 11:24:00 -0500 (EST) From: Alex Milenkovic To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Any generous soul with a trailer/pickup? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hey there, folks! The title says it all. I need some aid in transporting a Katana 600 back to my house. (Yeah, this is the one I had a while ago, for those that remember.) Basically, I sold it, the guy didn't pay any money, and he up and moved for Delaware, leaving the bike in his old complex. Super! We went over yesterday, and it would seem the battery is dead. It was having trouble holding a charge (we were jumping it off the car) and we'd guess that it is indeed kaput. Rather than driving 10 miles and putzing around in some strange driveway every time we want to work on it, I think I'd rather have the bike in my driveway if possible. So, over the next week, if any kind folks with a trailer or pickup (and some straps) would volunteer an hour of their lifetime, I'd be very happy. If you drink, I can offer ya a six of your choice. If you dont.. um.. my awesome company? I dunno. Name something reasonable and I'm sure we can work it out. Thanks, Alex. From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 1 11:25:50 1999 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA18184 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 11:25:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mscex.mailteam.uscg.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA26085 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 11:03:03 -0500 (EST) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 11:27:16 -0500 Message-ID: <904D6E6114A7D211ACCD006008A37EBD032ACB@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LT" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: slip-ons Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 11:27:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain I may be missing the points here, but what benefit would you get out of a slip on if you don't rejet the bike? I guess poseur points for look and sound (who cares). But Unless the aftermarket pipe is fairly restrictive, I would think that you stnad to do some harm to your motor. Bikes come on the lean side from the factory to pass EPA requirements, particularly in the midrange (note big flat spot lots of bike have in that region). Add an aftermarket exhaust that lets more fluid flow through it and combine that with K&N filter alloying lots more (300% they claim) air flow you could end up with a severly lean running motor. And if you'd like to see what happens when you run a bike to lean, take a look at: http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/sprockets.html Notice the nice aluminum specs that were melting ooff that big hole in the #3 piston and spraying everywhere... >From my perspective, teh only reason to go with an aftermarket pipe is weight reduction and power gains. If ya want to get the gains, you're going to have to spring for jets and as Kirk pointed out, more importantly reshaped needles. For the R1, I've heard of getting 144 rwhp with just a slip on and shimming the stock needles, but the main jets were changed out. Collin On Monday, February 01, 1999 11:17 AM, Mehran [SMTP:mehran7@XXXXXX] wrote: > > Just an FYI - > > I heard from Vance & Hines that they will have a new Titanium Alloy > Slip-on Pipe called the S4 available for > various bikes (Like the R1) in Mid-March. It dows not require jetting. > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 1 11:29:36 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA18284 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 11:29:32 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id LAA08916; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 11:30:33 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma008662; Mon, 1 Feb 99 11:29:52 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F6H00MO9HU1BB@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 11:30:01 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 8525670B.005A5E44 ; Mon, 01 Feb 1999 11:27:03 -0500 Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 11:00:58 -0500 Subject: Insurance - WTF??? (another rant) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <8525670B.0058119F.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Hi all. I've been thinking about getting a new bike, and thought I'd check with my insurance agent (Allstate) to see what kind of rate I could get on a new F4 or a TL-S. She tells me (get this) she wants $1,800 for the F4 and $1,098 for the TL-S. I found this a bit puzzling for a couple of reasons. One, the TL-S costs less. This was apparently due to some sort of extra surcharge that Allstate puts onto that specific bike. (Thanks a lot, squids!) Two, WTF is up with these costs? I have a completely clean record, two other vehicles and a house insured with Allstate, and don't live in a crime-ridden area. Sounds like Allstate just isn't interested enough in keeping my business, so I'm now going to go to all of the other national insurance companies and see what I can get for transferring ALL of my policies to them. There's no point sticking with Allstate if they want to screw their best customers like this. So anyway, is there a consensus on what the best/cheapest insurance companies are? I know that best and cheapest don't always go hand in hand, so I'm willing to pay a little extra for good service. TIA. Chris Weaver '92 Yamaha Seca II '92 Acura Integra '86 Townhouse ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 1 11:37:17 1999 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA18481 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 11:37:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA02642; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 11:37:07 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 11:37:06 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Insurance - WTF??? (another rant) In-Reply-To: <8525670B.0058119F.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 1 Feb 1999 christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX wrote: > Sounds like Allstate just isn't interested enough in keeping my > business Allstate could care less about your motorcycle. Even telling them to kiss your cars/house goodbye is futile. If you're in Virginia give Farmers a call (they're on the web too). For Maryland, check out State Farm (bring your car too) and Nationwide (don't need your car). Kirk From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 1 11:37:51 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA18491 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 11:37:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA10555 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 11:37:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (known cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA01306 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 11:37:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from mscex.mailteam.uscg.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA27183 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 11:15:39 -0500 (EST) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 11:39:52 -0500 Message-ID: <904D6E6114A7D211ACCD006008A37EBD032ACC@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LT" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Jeez yall Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 11:37:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Umm, I'm not defending jack's spicy story of coming across the kids in the ditch, but I do want to point out that he wasn't the one that posted the original story of 4 18 y/o "inexperienced" riders buying the bikes. It was someone else. And if I recall correctly, that same someone else posted back to the list that they had talked to the dealer and found out that the kids were indeed "experienced" riders and that none had crashed. Jack was the second poster on that issue saying that he would have thrown in his $.02 to the guys about buying big bore bikes with no experience under their belt. (and you agreed Todd ;-)) Collin (making sure the flames get distributed everywhere :)) On Monday, February 01, 1999 11:29 AM, Todd Peer [SMTP:todd.b.peer@XXXXXX] wrote: > > Go, away, Jack. > > Your 'Joke' turned into a (needless?) controversy about dealer ethics, the > problems of rich newbies, and a host of opinions that mattered one way or > the other, but never the same. From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 1 11:41:14 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA18528 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 11:41:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA10641 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 11:41:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from goliath.intelsol.com (known Goliath.intelsol.com [192.77.213.64]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA01533 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 11:40:57 -0500 (EST) From: Steve_Beck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 (600.1 3-26-1998)) id 8525670B.005AD90F ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 11:32:18 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <8525670B.005A89AB.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 11:32:14 -0500 Subject: Re: Insurance - WTF??? (another rant) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline You need to shop around for another insurance company that base their rates on engine size. Not make and model. You should find a substantially reduced rate with one of these companies. Steve From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 1 11:46:51 1999 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA18705 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 11:46:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from crxja001.wachovia.com ([199.4.241.53]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA00221 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 11:46:45 -0500 Message-Id: <199902011646.LAA00221@radagast.wizard.net> From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 11:44:49 -0500 Subject: RE: Jeez yall Priority: normal In-reply-to: <001c01be4dfd$13a72ba0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> References: <6173d853.36b3a697@aol.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) I don't know about anyone else, but I believed Jack's post because the stage was "set" by the original post. I don't archive messages, but I seem to remember reading that (a) the kids were young, inexperienced and had just come into a sum of money (b) the mechanics delayed getting the bikes ready until it started raining so they would have to bring the bikes home in a pickup truck, and (c) the mechanics had a "dead pool." If all this hadn't been said and discussed, no one would have believed Jack's "tall tale." And, for what it's worth, the discussion about dealer ethics started up before Jack's post, not after it. I know there are some personality clashes on this list, but some people really need to take a chill pill. Must be the cold weather making everyone cranky. I'll be happy when spring gets here! Anita From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 1 11:54:04 1999 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA18840 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 11:54:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from crxja001.wachovia.com ([199.4.241.53]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA01187 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 11:54:06 -0500 Message-Id: <199902011654.LAA01187@radagast.wizard.net> From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 11:52:14 -0500 Subject: Evel Knievel Update [for something different to read about] Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) Knievel Doing Well After Surgery By PAT LEISNER Associated Press Writer TAMPA, Fla. (AP) - Daredevil stuntman Evel Knievel is on the mend and could be back on his motorcycle in six weeks, his doctor said Friday two days after performing a liver transplant. There were no signs of rejecting the long-awaited organ and Knievel, 60, was expected to be moved out of intensive care soon, Dr. Hector Ramos said at Tampa General Hospital. Ramos, head of the transplant team, implanted a donated liver during a five and a half hour operation. ``The operation went remarkably well,'' Ramos said. By Friday, Knievel was in stable condition, breathing on his own. Within six weeks, barring complications, Knievel should be able to do just about anything he was used to doing - including riding his motorcycle. Normal recovery time is three-to-six months. Attitude helps tremendously, the surgeon said. ``The will to live and general tenacity of his personality is what will be instrumental in his recovery. He's a fighter, of course. That's his history.'' Knievel did not attend the briefing. He believes he contracted liver-destroying Hepatitis C during the many transfusions he needed following spills on the motorcycle circuit in the 1960s and 1970s. During his career, Knievel broke at least 35 bones and underwent surgery 14 times. His motorcycle stunts included a jump over the 35-foot fountain at Caesars Palace in Las Vegas in 1967 when he crushed his pelvis after flying head-over-handlebars. One of his most famous stunts failed when a parachute opened as he zoomed over Idaho's Snake River Canyon in 1974. The following year, a crowd of 90,000 at Wembley Stadium in London watched as he soared over 13 double-tiered buses and then crashed, again fracturing his pelvis. He ended his stunt career in 1981. Knievel waited eight months for a new liver. He was hospitalized briefly recently with dehydration, which is a common symptom of the progression of liver disease, Ramos said. On Tuesday, the call came that there was a match, said Krystal Kennedy, Knievel's 29-year-old fiancee. Within two hours they were at Tampa General. Ramos said 70 percent of liver transplant patients get back to normal. Knievel still has Hepatitis C and while his new liver does not have it, the chances of getting it are high. But the disease is not so likely to destroy the organ this time, Ramos said. From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 1 11:56:40 1999 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA18853 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 11:56:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA03184 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 11:56:33 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 11:56:33 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: slip-ons In-Reply-To: <904D6E6114A7D211ACCD006008A37EBD032ACB@MSCEX> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 1 Feb 1999, Fagan, Collin LT wrote: > I guess poseur points for look and sound (who cares). I guess there are a lot of people that care. Who the !@#$ are you to criticize them? :) Poseur points sell a lot of bikes (is someone a poser if they spell poser fancy, like with a u in there?) I don't personally buy into it but it's true. > But Unless the aftermarket pipe is fairly restrictive, I > would think that you stnad to do some harm to your motor. I would tend to agree. The "needs no rejetting" is more a marketing ploy than anything. > And if you'd like to see what happens when you run a bike to lean, take > a look at: > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/sprockets.html Wow, impressive! As for those sprockets - I've got a pic somewhere that show what can happen when you replace your chain and rear sprocket but not the front. Check out http://www.hazmat.com/~mjb/echr/index.html and look towards the middle of the page for the (small) pic. No teeth on the countershaft sprocket... :) So much for being cheap - I had to buy a complete set (replacing the chain and rear sprocket again). Oh, I also learned NOT to replace important parts and then take off on a long trip... > If ya want to get the gains, you're going to have to spring for jets > and as Kirk pointed out, more importantly reshaped needles. And no one will sell you needles outside of a jet kit. > For the R1, I've heard of getting 144 rwhp with just a slip on and shimming > the stock needles, but the main jets were changed out. I'm convinced! I'm going out at lunch time to order an R1, a slip on, and some new mains! Kirk From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 1 12:15:17 1999 Return-Path: alexm@XXXXXX Received: from gate1.sprintlink.net (gate1.sprintlink.net [199.0.233.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA19294 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 12:15:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from athens.res.sprintlink.net by gate1.sprintlink.net via smtpd (for dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) with SMTP; 1 Feb 1999 17:15:14 UT Received: from localhost (alexm@localhost) by athens.res.sprintlink.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA18845 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 12:15:13 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 12:15:13 -0500 (EST) From: Alex Milenkovic To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Insurance - WTF??? (another rant) In-Reply-To: <8525670B.0058119F.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > I've been thinking about getting a new bike, and thought I'd check with my > insurance agent (Allstate) to see what kind of rate I could get on a new F4 > or a TL-S. She tells me (get this) she wants $1,800 for the F4 and $1,098 > for the TL-S. > Allstate is eeeeeevil. And greedy. Try state farm - they charged me $400/yr for a Katana 600, and $450/yr for a VFR-750. I asked them about a ZX-11 (just getting quotes, ya see) and they threw out a figure of like $550/yr. Not bad for a 21 year old male. Allstate, on the other hand, wanted $10,000 in florida for a YZF-1000. A year. Alex. From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 1 12:19:43 1999 Return-Path: F4Rider@XXXXXX Received: from viper.bcbsblue.com (viper.bcbsblue.com [208.146.143.1]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA19354 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 12:19:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from viper.bcbsblue.com (root@localhost) by viper.bcbsblue.com with ESMTP id MAA14805 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 12:19:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com ([199.97.109.162]) by viper.bcbsblue.com with ESMTP id MAA14797 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 12:19:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com (root@localhost) by nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com with ESMTP id MAA06168; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 12:22:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from bc41466 ([172.16.5.82]) by nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com with SMTP id MAA06164; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 12:22:11 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990201121907.0123b6f0@ns2.pgcc.net> X-Sender: brad@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 12:19:07 -0500 To: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Brad Subject: Re: Insurance - WTF??? (another rant) In-Reply-To: <8525670B.0058119F.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:00 AM 2/1/99 -0500, you wrote: >Hi all. > >I've been thinking about getting a new bike, and thought I'd check with my >insurance agent (Allstate) to see what kind of rate I could get on a new F4 >or a TL-S. She tells me (get this) she wants $1,800 for the F4 and $1,098 >for the TL-S. Jeeeeez! I pay $219 a year for my F4, full coverage, and I'm 19. ('Course, I pay $3000 for my car with seatbelts and airbags... that makes sense, eh?) Call State Farm. They don't care about "sport" or "cruiser" type classifications; they just want maker and engine size. Soooo... I guess 600cc really isn't that big after all... :-) --Brad From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 1 12:29:03 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA19554 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 12:29:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA11581 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 12:28:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com (known ndcrelay2.mcit.com [166.37.172.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA03235 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 12:28:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta1.mcit.com (omta1.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id RAA20094; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 17:25:32 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta1.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990201172815.BRRB8311@toddnt>; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 11:28:15 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Fagan, Collin LT" , Subject: RE: Jeez yall Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 12:27:26 -0500 Message-ID: <002701be4e08$232d7880$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-reply-to: <904D6E6114A7D211ACCD006008A37EBD032ACC@MSCEX> Ok, I'll concede that I agreed with Jack in general (about Colemans, et al) and that that particular dealer has been named numerous times as a place not to do business. But I never agreed that a bike shouldn't be sold to someone who wants it. I've stated before that it wouldn't hurt to 'suggest' a different bike to obvious 'new' riders but in the end, especially in January, you sell what the customer wants. The retraction about the riders experience level must have gotten lost in the 80+ messages/day generated on DC-Cycles, and I'm man enough to apologize to Jack for it. If you didn't say it Jack, sorry. But that's all. Jack has proven time and again what an e-mail wheenie he really is. He stirred the shit-pot many times last summer for no other reason than his own childish need for attention via a silly e-mail list. He threatened (promised) to leave for greener pastures, but he has slowly made a return to this forum with what seemed to be relatively sane and thought out comments and posits. But in the end (at least from my perspective), he turned out to be the same old shit-pot stirring little boy he is. Jack remains on my kill list. Todd > > Umm, I'm not defending jack's spicy story of coming across the kids in the > ditch, but I do want to point out that he wasn't the one that posted the > original story of 4 18 y/o "inexperienced" riders buying the > bikes. It was > someone else. And if I recall correctly, that same someone else > posted back > to the list that they had talked to the dealer and found out that the kids > were indeed "experienced" riders and that none had crashed. > > Jack was the second poster on that issue saying that he would > have thrown in > his $.02 to the guys about buying big bore bikes with no experience under > their belt. (and you agreed Todd ;-)) > > Collin > (making sure the flames get distributed everywhere :)) > > On Monday, February 01, 1999 11:29 AM, Todd Peer > [SMTP:todd.b.peer@XXXXXX] > wrote: > > > > Go, away, Jack. > > > > Your 'Joke' turned into a (needless?) controversy about dealer > ethics, the > > problems of rich newbies, and a host of opinions that mattered > one way or > > the other, but never the same. > From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 1 12:31:47 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net ([208.206.112.8]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA19634 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 12:31:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net [166.32.112.69] by tidalwave.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-4.07) id A3BC3E90106; Mon, 01 Feb 1999 12:26:20 EST Message-ID: <36B5E4FF.D493349A@tidalwave.net> Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 12:31:43 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Anita Lauro <2xracers@XXXXXX> CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Evel Knievel Update [for something different to read about] References: <199902011654.LAA01187@radagast.wizard.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anita Lauro wrote: > He believes he contracted liver-destroying Hepatitis C during the > many transfusions he needed following spills on the motorcycle > circuit in the 1960s and 1970s. I thought he had a big time alcohol problem as well - I'm sure that didn't help out his liver either. Oh well, he was one of my childhood heroes (had a little wind up Evel Knievel doll and motorcycle, could zip that thing across the living room, came with it's own ramp) my first CB handle (that was big too back in the '70s) was DareDevil. I'm glad he's doing ok. -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You'll know she loves you if she offers horkster@XXXXXX to let you ride her bike. Don't do it Dale City, Virginia and she'll love you even more." 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - "BugSlayer" VA Tag: BGSLYR 1998 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - No name, and no fancy tag either 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 - Ours - But mostly mine From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 1 12:37:31 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from www.troutman.org (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA19750 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 12:37:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from vulture (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by www.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.56) with SMTP id 407; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 12:36:53 -0500 Message-Id: <4.1.19990201123549.019a1950@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 12:36:51 -0500 To: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mike Troutman" Subject: Re: Insurance - WTF??? (another rant) In-Reply-To: <8525670B.0058119F.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:00 AM 2/1/99 , christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX wrote: >like Allstate just isn't interested enough in keeping my business, so I'm >now going to go to all of the other national insurance companies and see >what I can get for transferring ALL of my policies to them. There's no >point sticking with Allstate if they want to screw their best customers >like this. Thats your best bet. Hit 'em where it hurts. Too bad you all can't get USAA like I have. They rock. Very very inexpensive, very easy to deal with. I have my house, car and bike through them. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org In 1974, a young female attorney helped draw up the rules under which Richard M. Nixon would be tried by the Congress for impeachment. "Impeachment," she wrote, "does not have to be for criminal offenses, but only for a 'course of conduct' that, while not particularly criminal, might be of such a nature that it destroys trust, discourages allegiance, and demands action by the Congress." She also wrote... "The Office of the President is such that it calls for a higher level of conduct than expected from the average citizen in the United States." This young female attorney who helped write the standard under which Presidents are to be judged by the House of Representatives has a unique perspective about the present situation in the White House. You see, this female attorney who said that an unethical "course of conduct" could overthrow a President is now the First "Lady", Hillary R. Clinton. From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 1 12:37:37 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com (ndcrelay2.mcit.com [166.37.172.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA19752 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 12:37:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta1.mcit.com (omta1.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id RAA23444; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 17:33:43 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta1.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990201173625.BSYH8311@toddnt>; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 11:36:25 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Kirk Roy" , "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Subject: RE: slip-ons Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 12:35:37 -0500 Message-ID: <002801be4e09$47cad560$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-reply-to: Kirk Roy Wrote: > On Mon, 1 Feb 1999, Fagan, Collin LT wrote: > > I guess poseur points for look and sound (who cares). > > I guess there are a lot of people that care. Who the !@#$ are you to > criticize them? :) Poseur points sell a lot of bikes (is someone a poser > if they spell poser fancy, like with a u in there?) I don't personally buy > into it but it's true. >Snip< > > For the R1, I've heard of getting 144 rwhp with just a slip on > and shimming > > the stock needles, but the main jets were changed out. > > I'm convinced! I'm going out at lunch time to order an R1, a slip on, and > some new mains! > > Kirk Are you sure you're old enough?! ;) T From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 1 12:40:24 1999 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA19811 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 12:40:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA04589 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 12:40:19 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 12:40:18 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: slip-ons In-Reply-To: <002801be4e09$47cad560$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 1 Feb 1999, Todd Peer wrote: > > > For the R1, I've heard of getting 144 rwhp with just a slip on > > > and shimming the stock needles, but the main jets were changed out. > > > > I'm convinced! I'm going out at lunch time to order an R1, a slip on, and > > some new mains! > > Are you sure you're old enough?! ;) I'm more than 16 now, isn't that enough? I just want 144 hp for peauseur points. I've got the necessary restraint to never use it except on a closed course. Kirk From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 1 13:00:07 1999 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA20316 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 13:00:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from mscex.mailteam.uscg.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA04185; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 12:37:25 -0500 (EST) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 13:01:38 -0500 Message-ID: <904D6E6114A7D211ACCD006008A37EBD032AD9@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LT" To: "'Alex Milenkovic'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Insurance - WTF??? (another rant) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 13:01:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Sorry for copying the entire attached message, but did I miss something here??? Looks like the list server took Alex's message and appended a message from Kirk on it....very strange... As for the R1 info...it came both from Jeff Atwell (very reliable and believable racer) as well as Rick Beggs (owner Fast Lane Cycles) so I believe it... On Monday, February 01, 1999 12:50 PM, Alex Milenkovic [SMTP:alexm@XXXXXX] wrote: > > I've been thinking about getting a new bike, and thought I'd check with my > > insurance agent (Allstate) to see what kind of rate I could get on a new F4 > > or a TL-S. She tells me (get this) she wants $1,800 for the F4 and $1,098 > > for the TL-S. > > > > Allstate is eeeeeevil. And greedy. Try state farm - they charged > me $400/yr for a Katana 600, and $450/yr for a VFR-750. I asked > them about a ZX-11 (just getting quotes, ya see) and they threw out > a figure of like $550/yr. Not bad for a 21 year old male. Allstate, > on the other hand, wanted $10,000 in florida for a YZF-1000. A year. > > Alex. > > pic somewhere that > show what can happen when you replace your chain and rear sprocket but not > the front. Check out http://www.hazmat.com/~mjb/echr/index.html and look > towards the middle of the page for the (small) pic. No teeth on the > countershaft sprocket... :) So much for being cheap - I had to buy a > complete set (replacing the chain and rear sprocket again). Oh, I also > learned NOT to replace important parts and then take off on a long trip... > > > If ya want to get the gains, you're going to have to spring for jets > > and as Kirk pointed out, more importantly reshaped needles. > > And no one will sell you needles outside of a jet kit. > > > For the R1, I've heard of getting 144 rwhp with just a slip on and shimming > > the stock needles, but the main jets were changed out. > > I'm convinced! I'm going out at lunch time to order an R1, a slip on, and > some new mains! > > Kirk From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 1 13:03:23 1999 Return-Path: Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc014.army.mil ([134.11.235.134]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA20351 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 13:03:22 -0500 (EST) Received: by dadc014.hqda.pentagon.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 13:02:27 -0500 Message-ID: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46F013042@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Insurance - WTF??? (another rant) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 13:02:19 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Hey Chris, don't feel so bad. I had Allstate for many years too, I've never had a claim with ANY insurance company and Allstate wanted like $6100 for the VFR. That's not a typo. Glenn > I've been thinking about getting a new bike, and thought I'd check with my > insurance agent (Allstate) to see what kind of rate I could get on a new > F4 > or a TL-S. She tells me (get this) she wants $1,800 for the F4 and $1,098 > for the TL-S. > From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 1 13:08:28 1999 Return-Path: wes@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA20438 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 13:08:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from pacman (sales-gw.corp.spg.erols.net [207.172.7.12]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA18527 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 13:08:24 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <4.1.19990201130216.00a5a360@pop.rcn.com> X-Sender: (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 13:11:21 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "wes 8-)#" Subject: My Last Word (Was RE: Jeez yall) In-Reply-To: <002701be4e08$232d7880$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> References: <904D6E6114A7D211ACCD006008A37EBD032ACC@MSCEX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Todd & all -- I made an incorrect assumption about the skill/experience level of the kids. That was my mistake. In retrospect, I should have done a little research before I spoke. I mean, I rode right past the guys and didn't stop to talk to them. As far as the "dead pool", that was done in jest between a couple of friends and I. NO -- I REPEAT NO -- salesmen at CP were involved or (to my recollection) even knew about it. While we were all hoping none of the kids wrecked (or, if they did, were hurt), I think we all gave in to the sick-joke reflex many of us possess. Jack, well, I think Jack fscked up pretty well. I believed him, too, not having been around long enough to realize what a shithead he is. I'm a little naive that way. I guess that since other people (Todd, Collin, Mike, Anita, Jeannette, Horkster, Robert, etc.) have excellent input, I just believed that the other listers would be up-front & honest as well. Looking back on it, I really wish I hadn't made the original post. I'm glad we were launched into a discussion about ethics, salespeople, responsibility, and the like -- the thread has generated some great discussion on some important topics. I'm not a CP-slammer, having received exemplary service from them since I bought my bike, but I can see why some people dislike them. After all, everyone has their own reasons for developing their opinions. I'm going to serve a penance of sorts by lapsing into lurk mode for a while. I will remain a faithful reader and will try to show up at whatever gatherings pop up in the next couple of months. (I'd have been at the Superbowl Party, but I spent the weekend with the flu) Keep the rubber side down, everyone. --wes > >The retraction about the riders experience level must have gotten lost in >the 80+ messages/day generated on DC-Cycles, and I'm man enough to apologize >to Jack for it. If you didn't say it Jack, sorry. > From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 1 13:10:48 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail04.usace.army.mil (mcxmail04.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.222]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA20469 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 13:10:26 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199902011810.NAA20469@meretrix.com> Received: by mcxmail04.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id <1DFQXN0D>; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 08:30:31 -0800 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: slip-ons Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 08:30:25 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) For the most part, if you JUST put a slip-on on your bike, you'll not need to do any rejetting. The jetting is affected by BOTH the intake and the exhaust, changing just one doesn't do anything but lower the blue-book value (stock items are more 'valuable' in banks eyes) and add a little eye-candy. If you happen to install a K&N or UNI free-flow filter though, in conjunction with your slip-on, you're going to need to adjust the carbs. All of a sudden, they have the ability to bring in more air, and quicker.. AND get rid of the exhaust gases slightly quicker (if the header's aren't changed, the total flow of the exhaust isn't going to change that much either).. your bike will then be running even leaner than the already lean factory settings (gets them by emissions). Note that putting an exhaust on your bike may change things you wanted to keep.. by opening up the headers for more air-flow, you'll loose a Lot of mid-range.. but gain some top-end speed.. great if you're a racer looking for that extra MPH going down the front straight.. but sucks if you're an arround town or weekend rider. But hey, it's your money, your desire to be 'different'.. spend it how you will.. Brian From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 1 13:32:51 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA20912 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 13:32:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id A33B1B00136; Mon, 01 Feb 1999 13:32:27 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990201131653.019360e0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 13:19:31 -0500 To: Kirk Roy , DC-Cycles Mailing List From: Chris Norloff Subject: poser vs. poseur [was: slip-ons In-Reply-To: References: <904D6E6114A7D211ACCD006008A37EBD032ACB@MSCEX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >On Mon, 1 Feb 1999, Fagan, Collin LT wrote: >> I guess poseur points for look and sound (who cares). > >At 11:56 AM 2/1/99 , Kirk Roy wrote: >I guess there are a lot of people that care. Who the !@#$ are you to >criticize them? :) Poseur points sell a lot of bikes (is someone a poser >if they spell poser fancy, like with a u in there?) I don't personally buy >into it but it's true. Poser is some who poses or a question or problem that poses. Poseur is one who affects a particular pose, such as to impress others. Most folks use them interchangeably, though I think poseur is used more often to mean someone with more style than substance. Except www.squidlys.com who spell it "pouser" ... I thought they'd been eating too much at Po' Folks restaurants. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 1 13:37:20 1999 Return-Path: Turnip@XXXXXX Received: from darius.concentric.net (darius.concentric.net [207.155.198.79]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA21012 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 13:37:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from mariner.cris.com (mariner [206.173.119.83]) by darius.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id NAA29578; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 13:37:12 -0500 (EST) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Errors-To: Received: from localhost by mariner.cris.com (8.8.5) id NAA03420; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 13:37:09 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 13:37:08 -0500 (EST) From: "Hugh A. Caldwell" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Insurance - WTF??? (another rant) In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990201123549.019a1950@mail.wheatintl.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 1 Feb 1999, Mike Troutman wrote: > At 11:00 AM 2/1/99 , christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX wrote: > >like Allstate just isn't interested enough in keeping my business, so I'm > >now going to go to all of the other national insurance companies and see > >what I can get for transferring ALL of my policies to them. There's no > >point sticking with Allstate if they want to screw their best customers > >like this. > > Thats your best bet. Hit 'em where it hurts. > > Too bad you all can't get USAA like I have. They rock. Very very > inexpensive, very easy to deal with. I have my house, car and bike through > them. > USAA also sends you a refund if they've made too much money :-). USAA RULES! p.s.: Do you think it might be possible to add the entire Encyclopedia Britanica to your sig file? ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek 97PGT ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 1 13:45:13 1999 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA21124 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 13:45:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from mscex.mailteam.uscg.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA08038 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 13:22:52 -0500 (EST) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 13:47:06 -0500 Message-ID: <904D6E6114A7D211ACCD006008A37EBD032ADB@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LT" To: "'dc'" Subject: hot concept bike Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 13:47:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain For those of you out there that think the R1 is for babies, and the Huyabusa is only playground material, take a look at this new beast supposedly set for production in year 2000! http://www.motorcycleworld.co.uk/biketests/mcn/solo/suzuki_gsx_r750/gsx.htm From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 1 13:57:36 1999 Return-Path: mberman@XXXXXX Received: from min.net (root@XXXXXX [208.222.210.19]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA21426 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 13:57:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from hamilton.arl.mil (hamilton.arl.mil [131.218.195.67]) by min.net (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA19847 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 13:57:07 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 13:54:21 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: Morris Berman To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: poser vs. poseur [was: slip-ons In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990201131653.019360e0@mail.toward.com> Message-ID: X-X-Sender: berman@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Had to do it: >From Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary (1913) (web1913) Poseur \Po`seur"\, n. masc.; pl. Poseurs, Poseuse \Po`seuse"\, n. fem.; pl. Poseuses, [F.] A person who poses or attitudizes, esp. mentally. >From WordNet (r) 1.6 (wn) poseur n : a person who habitually pretends to be something he is not [syn: {poser}] -------------------------------- >From Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary (1913) (web1913) Poser \Pos"er\, n. One who, or that which, puzzles; a difficult or inexplicable question or fact. --Bacon. >From WordNet (r) 1.6 (wn) poser n 1: a person who habitually pretends to be something he is not [syn: {poseur}] 2: a person who poses for a photographer or painter or sculptor; "the president didn't have time to be a model so the artist worked from photos" [syn: {model}] 3: a particularly difficult or baffling question or problem [syn: {stumper}, {toughie}] >From Jargon File (4.0.0/24 July 1996) (jargon) poser /n./ A {wannabee}; not hacker slang, but used among crackers, phreaks and {warez d00dz}. Not as negative as {lamer} or {leech}. Probably derives from a similar usage among punk-rockers and metalheads, putting down those who "talk the talk but don't walk the walk". -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, berman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL(DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C)#446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams On Mon, 1 Feb 1999, Chris Norloff wrote: > >On Mon, 1 Feb 1999, Fagan, Collin LT wrote: > >> I guess poseur points for look and sound (who cares). > > > >At 11:56 AM 2/1/99 , Kirk Roy wrote: > >I guess there are a lot of people that care. Who the !@#$ are you to > >criticize them? :) Poseur points sell a lot of bikes (is someone a poser > >if they spell poser fancy, like with a u in there?) I don't personally buy > >into it but it's true. > > > Poser is some who poses or a question or problem that poses. > > Poseur is one who affects a particular pose, such as to impress others. > > Most folks use them interchangeably, though I think poseur is used more > often to mean someone with more style than substance. > > Except www.squidlys.com who spell it "pouser" ... I thought they'd been > eating too much at Po' Folks restaurants. > > Chris Norloff > > > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 1 14:07:51 1999 Return-Path: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA21606 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 14:07:38 -0500 (EST) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo20.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id HSGYa19752; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 14:05:55 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 14:05:55 EST To: kirk@XXXXXX, christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Insurance - WTF??? (another rant) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 In a message dated 2/1/99 11:50:37 AM Eastern Standard Time, kirk@XXXXXX writes: > > Sounds like Allstate just isn't interested enough in keeping my > > business > > Allstate could care less about your motorcycle. Even telling them to kiss > your cars/house goodbye is futile. I have to agree. Allstate sucks. Marcy From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 1 14:14:05 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA21700 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 14:13:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA13240 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 14:13:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo26.mx.aol.com (known imo26.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.70]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA07700 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 14:13:51 -0500 (EST) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo26.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id SAHJa00808; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 14:12:53 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 14:12:53 EST To: Steve_Beck@XXXXXX, christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Insurance - WTF??? (another rant) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 I have a question - why on earth doesn't the AMA go about obtaining affordable group rate insurance for its members the way AAA does for automobile owner- members? They could do it nationwide with one or two companies and save all of us a TON of money and get themselves a lot of new members too I'm sure... Marcy From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 1 14:28:42 1999 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA22060 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 14:28:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mscex.mailteam.uscg.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA12092 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 14:06:34 -0500 (EST) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 14:30:48 -0500 Message-ID: <904D6E6114A7D211ACCD006008A37EBD032ADC@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LT" To: "'dc'" Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 14:30:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Saw this for sale on Ebay... good entry level race bike that'll probably go a lot cheaper than it's worth..current bit is at $885, but there's two days left on the auction... Has a couple of pics there as well... http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=61163419 NO RESERVE!!!! 1993 Yamaha Seca 2 racebike. Bike is in great mechanical condition. Cosmetics need some work. Mostly the exhaust has some bad scratches. Bike was raced last year in WERA D Superbike and Formula 2. It is a cheap and competitive way to get in to roadracing. It would also make a great track bike if you don't want to ding your pride and joy! The bike has; steering damper, white power rear shock, race glass, progressive springs, new front tire, slightly used rear tire, full race exhaust, completely wired, some spares....needs nothing to race. Would pass tech today! Please e-mail or call (319-462-3538) with questions. I might help with delivery if needed. The bike has a clean title. Good Luck.... From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 1 14:29:00 1999 Return-Path: Turnip@XXXXXX Received: from darius.concentric.net (darius.concentric.net [207.155.198.79]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA22070 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 14:28:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from viking.cris.com (viking [206.173.119.81]) by darius.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id OAA12018; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 14:28:52 -0500 (EST) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Errors-To: Received: from localhost by viking.cris.com (8.8.5) id OAA05280; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 14:28:51 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 14:28:51 -0500 (EST) From: "Hugh A. Caldwell" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: AMA computer game Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Apparently there will be some AMA sanctioned motorcycle racing games coming out. Go to http://www.cdmag.com fro more details. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek 97PGT ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 1 14:29:51 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA22080 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 14:29:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta1.mcit.com (omta1.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id SAA30422; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 18:28:34 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta1.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990201192903.CIUA8311@toddnt>; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 13:29:03 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Fagan, Collin LT" , "'dc'" Subject: RE: hot concept bike Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 14:28:14 -0500 Message-ID: <002e01be4e19$034cb420$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-reply-to: <904D6E6114A7D211ACCD006008A37EBD032ADB@MSCEX> Collin Fagen wrote: > > For those of you out there that think the R1 is for babies, and > the Huyabusa > is only playground material, take a look at this new beast supposedly set > for production in year 2000! > http://www.motorcycleworld.co.uk/biketests/mcn/solo/suzuki_gsx_r75 > 0/gsx.htm > Anyone got $49,000 to loan me indefinately? :) Todd From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 1 14:42:25 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA22331 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 14:42:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA13798 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 14:42:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (known ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA08937 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 14:42:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta1.mcit.com (omta1.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id TAA05107; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 19:40:22 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta1.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990201194033.CKKM8311@toddnt>; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 13:40:33 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: , , Cc: Subject: RE: Insurance - WTF??? (another rant) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 14:39:44 -0500 Message-ID: <002f01be4e1a$9e356c10$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-reply-to: The AMA allows Progressive to be the official moto-insurance company of the association. Progressive sucks too (MOO-My Opinion Only). They remind me of the GEICO of moto-insurance (flame-suit on, arms across chest, go ahead >:) Todd Marcy wrote: > I have a question - why on earth doesn't the AMA go about > obtaining affordable > group rate insurance for its members the way AAA does for > automobile owner- > members? They could do it nationwide with one or two companies > and save all of > us a TON of money and get themselves a lot of new members too I'm sure... > > Marcy > From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 1 14:58:12 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA22655 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 14:58:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA14150 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 14:58:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com (known imo11.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.1]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA09563 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 14:58:05 -0500 (EST) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo11.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 9XNCa04329; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 14:54:14 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4c145ada.36b60666@aol.com> Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 14:54:14 EST To: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Jeez yall - libel suit? HUH? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 In a message dated 2/1/99 11:24:35 AM Eastern Standard Time, WantA ZX6 writes: << << Heresay has it that the salesperson you libeled may want to sue you! Hahahahahaha. Funny. Now that's funny! >> >> I thank you for your apology and apologize to the list for the joke. As I look back, it was in bad taste, what can I say? Now, I am curious as to this thing about a libel suit? Where did this come from? After doing some research (including a quick word with my family legal counsel) it appears as though this salesman (whoever he may be) would have no basis for libel based on a few things. First, I never made reference to any one individual as to point them out. Libel means to slander someone or publish false information about them. I never published ANYTHING about this salesman. The only false info was about the crash which had nothing to do with him. That brings me to my next point, we have already ascertained that the salesman is not legally liable or responsible in any way with what a rider does with the bike he/she purchased. If the salesman WAS in fact liable then my crash tall tale would have been legal grounds for libel since I would have published something about him that could have him incorrectly charged with a crime. Since he is not liable therefore I did not slander him in any way. Next point, if he was referring to the "publishing" of the dead pool as slanderous, its impossible because I was not the originator of such an idea. If I had published such a thing after being told by someone else then it would be slanderous but it was previously posted. In the end, he can try whatever he feels like he needs to do. For his financial sake, I hope he doesnt. Also, it appears as though the only individual who would be in danger of a real libel suit would be Wes since he originally posted the the dead pool information and is the only libelous act of everything that has happened. Anyway, dont take this as flame bait, Im just stating about this talk of libel. If anyone would like to pick it apart, by all means go ahead... Jack From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 1 15:29:12 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA23191 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 15:29:09 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id PAA06974; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 15:30:27 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma006666; Mon, 1 Feb 99 15:29:09 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F6H00CNLSW1R1@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 15:29:05 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 8525670B.00703B09 ; Mon, 01 Feb 1999 15:25:51 -0500 Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 12:26:08 -0500 Subject: Re: Insurance - WTF??? (update) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <8525670B.005FDD6B.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Okay, folks, here's an update on my insurance search, for those who are interested: These are quotes for a new CBR600F4 with comprehensive coverage, $500 deductible, MSF, and clean record: Allstate: $1,800 !!! Progressive: $1,426 !! Nationwide: $280 (only with car also) Geico: No Coverage (they only cover motos with restricted access storage like garages) Farmer's Insurance: $207.40 (no ifs, ands or buts) So it looks like the grand prize winner of my future insurance dollars will be Farmer's Insurance. I'm a little afraid that the guy who gave me the quote must have entered in some figure wrong given the incredibly low price. A note to others looking for insurance - Nationwide does their own insurance (cheap) on motorcycles only if you have your car with them. If you don't have your car with them, they just sub it out to Progressive (expensive for "high performance" bikes). Also, Allstate has "surcharges" (read: ream-the-customer charges) for the following: Honda: All Interceptors (500cc & larger) - Inc. all VF & VFR models All Hurricanes - includes all CBR model number series Yamaha: All FZ & FZR model number series Kawasaki: All Ninjas (576cc & larger) - includes all ZX model number series All Eliminators (900cc & larger) Suzuki: All GSX-R Models and Katanas BMW: K1, K100RS, K1100RS, and K1100LT Chris Weaver ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 1 15:29:27 1999 Return-Path: zellto@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.157]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA23204 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 15:29:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from zellto (adsl-151-200-16-190.bellatlantic.net [151.200.16.190]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA11944; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 15:31:01 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <003401be4e21$e55cbce0$be10c897@zellto.bellatlantic.net> From: "Thomas and Jeannette" To: Cc: Subject: Re: Thank You, It Was Fun!! Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 15:31:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 We are?? ... Just kidding! Thanks for coming out folks! And for those folks who left food behind... thank you! The leftovers made for a great addition to my lunch this afternoon! :-) -Tom -----Original Message----- From: Jeannette_O'Brien@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Monday, February 01, 1999 9:58 AM Subject: Thank You, It Was Fun!! > > >Thanks to all who came to our party last night! Thomas & I had a great time and >are already thinking of when our next party should be!! > >- Jeannette > > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 1 15:35:30 1999 Return-Path: jstpeter@XXXXXX Received: from server.va.chesapeake-systems.com (machine01.intelx.com [209.117.191.130]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA23362 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 15:35:28 -0500 (EST) Received: by machine01.intelx.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 15:37:08 -0500 Message-ID: <90C111C01AB7D211AC85006097297A84E2C7@machine01.intelx.com> From: "Jay St. Peter" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: AMA Lawsuit Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 15:37:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain I sent the AMA a scathing letter regarding the recent lawsuit. I actually received a letter from Ed Youngblood (I'm sure it is a canned response sent to anyone in response to the RW article). It is kind of long, so I won't post it to the list (unless enough people are interested). If you want to read it, just e-mail me privately. Jay St. Peter From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 1 16:01:34 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA23834 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 16:01:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA15350 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 16:01:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.troutman.org (known www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA12835 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 16:01:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from vulture (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by www.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.56) with SMTP id 246 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 16:00:46 -0500 Message-Id: <4.1.19990201155534.035469d0@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 16:00:19 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mike Troutman" Subject: Re: Jeez yall - libel suit? HUH? In-Reply-To: <4c145ada.36b60666@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 02:54 PM 2/1/99 , WantAZX6@XXXXXX wrote: ><< << Heresay has it that the salesperson you libeled may want to sue you! >Hahahahahaha. Funny. Now that's funny! >> >> Now Jack - I'd say that the hearsay thing was a joke. Sarcasm is a subtle thing for some I suppose. I think the list accepts your apology, but why do you keep calling it a joke? A spoof maybe - but not funny...... Anyhoo - everyone needs to calm the F down. Sorry I missed the superbowl party. I'll be a no-show until I can bring Rhonda on some 2-up rides this Spring. (get her used to you all ;-) MT ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '91 Nighthawk 750 Naked bike, and too damn cold to ride From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 1 16:12:58 1999 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA24001 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 16:12:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA25173 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 16:12:49 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 16:12:48 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Insurance - WTF??? (update) In-Reply-To: <8525670B.005FDD6B.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 1 Feb 1999 christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX wrote: > A note to others looking for insurance - Nationwide does their own > insurance (cheap) on motorcycles only if you have your car with them. If > you don't have your car with them, they just sub it out to Progressive > (expensive for "high performance" bikes). This doesn't apply in MD. I have motorcycle insurance and only motorcycle insurance with them. They use Colonial in MD. Kirk From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 1 17:01:18 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net ([208.206.112.8]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA24984 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 17:01:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net [166.32.112.69] by tidalwave.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-4.07) id A2DDAE5012E; Mon, 01 Feb 1999 16:55:41 EST Message-ID: <36B62420.A8E13FDE@tidalwave.net> Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 17:01:04 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Insurance - WTF??? (update) References: <8525670B.005FDD6B.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX wrote: > > Geico: No Coverage (they only cover motos with restricted access > storage like garages) This is utter BS. I don't have a garage, and I've got 5 bikes insured through Geico. What I've found with Geico is that if you don't like a quote, or they flat out tell you know, wait 5 minutes and call back. You will get someone else, and probably get a different answer. I got BugSlayer insured through them that way (they originally told me no, after I had 4 other bikes with them). Geico does have surcharges for most sportbikes and Harleys, my Concours isn't on the "bad boyz" list, but I don't get the touring bike discount either. :( -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You'll know she loves you if she offers horkster@XXXXXX to let you ride her bike. Don't do it Dale City, Virginia and she'll love you even more." 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - "BugSlayer" VA Tag: BGSLYR 1998 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - No name, and no fancy tag either 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 - Ours - But mostly mine From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 1 17:03:48 1999 Return-Path: zbig@XXXXXX Received: from suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (root@XXXXXX [149.52.55.130]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA24998 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 17:03:42 -0500 (EST) From: zbig@XXXXXX Received: (from zbig@localhost) by suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA12641; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 16:40:10 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199902012140.QAA12641@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> Subject: Re: Insurance - WTF??? (update) To: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 16:40:09 -0500 (EST) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <8525670B.005FDD6B.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> from "christopher.a.weaver@us.pwcglobal.com" at Feb 1, 99 12:26:08 pm Reply-To: zbig@XXXXXX (Zbigniew J. Tyrlik) X-Phone: (703)-689-6975 X-Organization: Organized ? Just kidding.. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text > > Allstate: $1,800 !!! > Progressive: $1,426 !! > Nationwide: $280 (only with car also) > Geico: No Coverage (they only cover motos with restricted access storage > like garages) > Farmer's Insurance: $207.40 (no ifs, ands or buts) > > So it looks like the grand prize winner of my future insurance dollars will > be Farmer's Insurance. I'm a little afraid that the guy who gave me the > quote must have entered in some figure wrong given the incredibly low > price. > Farmers is best - especially if you have home and car with them. > > Chris Weaver _zjt -- ******************************************************************** Zbigniew J. Tyrlik DoD# 0759 CBR1100XX - BBird kleks@XXXXXX Free thinker, traveller, poet, happy father and husband.... From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 1 17:35:39 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA25554 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 17:35:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA16818 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 17:35:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from ams.amsinc.com (known ams.amsinc.com [162.70.244.20]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA17170 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 17:35:32 -0500 (EST) From: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX Received: from ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com (ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com [162.70.34.52]) by ams.amsinc.com (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with SMTP id RAA22872 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 17:35:31 -0500 (EST) Received: by ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com(Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (651.2 6-10-1998)) id 8525670B.007BE9E6 ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 17:33:28 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMSINC To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <8525670B.007BE787.00@ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com> Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 17:33:15 -0500 Subject: SPORT BIKE FOR SALE Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline reply to the seller, not me please! -Doug ---------------------- Forwarded by Douglas Brashear/AMS/AMSINC on 02/01/99 05:23 PM --------------------------- Bulletin Board: #The Exchange From: Tammy McCord Date: 02/01/99 01:14:38 PM Subject: SPORT BIKE FOR SALE FOR SALE: ' 93 Yamaha FZR-600, Purple. The bike is in EXCELLENT condition- garage kept! Only 4600 miles! FREE Xtras: Purple wind screen Tank Bra Vance & Heinz exhaust Bike Cover 2 helmets BRAND NEW professional jacket with zip out liner, weather-proof PRICE: $3500 (firm) Please contact Arie Picot at 703/266-6775 LMEF 3.1 From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 1 17:53:24 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA25815 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 17:53:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA16989 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 17:53:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (known saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA17778 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 17:53:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (zbig@XXXXXX [149.52.55.130]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA20484 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 17:53:13 -0500 (EST) From: zbig@XXXXXX Received: (from zbig@localhost) by suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA12836; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 17:50:19 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199902012250.RAA12836@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> Subject: Re: GPS Waypoints for Motorcyclists To: nomad98@XXXXXX (Nomad) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 17:50:18 -0500 (EST) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <19990201132402.26804.rocketmail@send103.yahoomail.com> from "Nomad" at Feb 1, 99 05:24:02 am Reply-To: zbig@XXXXXX (Zbigniew J. Tyrlik) X-Phone: (703)-689-6975 X-Organization: Organized ? Just kidding.. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text > Came across the following web site and thought it might be of interest > to some of you with GPS units: > > http://www.public.usit.net/roaddog/motorcycles/gps.htm > > Regards, Herb > '94 Magna (With non-watered downed gas!) > > > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > Maybe we should start our own databse for VA, WV, MD and DC ? we can store it on someone's web page. what format ? SA5, SA6, Waypoint, txt ?? Format used on the above site does not allow for quick integration with exising software. Looks like g7to is a piece of software capable to talk to Lawrance/Eagle/Garmin, and to download waypoints into standard format. Also: just purchased Garmin III+; they are available at local Wal-marts; you have to find the box yourself, ususally well hidden in sports area next to guns. Price with VA tax was 384. III+ offers updated basic maps + capability to download maps from a CD-rom; CD-rom is on a pricey side ( $100), but I will be buying one. Owners of GArmin III - you may want to upgrade; downloadable maps give you street level details like Street Atlas 5/6 ( both are based on TIGER maps database). III+ allow to store few counties in it, so it should be OK for a average daily ride. _zjt -- ******************************************************************** Zbigniew J. Tyrlik DoD# 0759 CBR1100XX - BBird kleks@XXXXXX Free thinker, traveller, poet, happy father and husband.... From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 1 19:02:52 1999 Return-Path: l4rite@XXXXXX Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA27038 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 19:02:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from l4rite (207-172-54-160.s160.tnt16.brd.erols.com [207.172.54.160]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA12831 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 19:02:48 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <00be01be4e3f$14e4d5c0$a036accf@l4rite> From: "Leslie" To: "dc-cycles" Subject: Re: Insurance - WTF??? (another rant) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 19:00:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0810.800 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0810.800 Too bad you all can't get USAA like I have. They rock. Very very inexpensive, very easy to deal with. I have my house, car and bike through them. Mike Troutman Yes USAA does rule.....insured 93 T-bird, Katana and KLR 650 for $1023 a year...not bad considering that I was paying $973 for 9 month coverage with Progressive....on the Katana alone......... If you are active duty military or child of a retired offficer, you should really try to get a policy with them.....saved me enough cash that I can seriosly start looking for a new (read used, new to me) motorcross bike.....enjoy the rain and thanxxx again Leon for providing much enjoyment in the gravel yesterday...I say we hit the gravel roads up there near Seneca Rock again....Thanx Les...Kat, KLR.... From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 1 19:18:25 1999 Return-Path: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA27294 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 19:18:24 -0500 (EST) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo13.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id OAEOa05309; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 19:08:51 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: <96ede3c8.36b64213@aol.com> Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 19:08:51 EST To: Jeannette_O'Brien@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Thank You, It Was Fun!! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 In a message dated 2/1/99 9:52:17 AM Eastern Standard Time, Jeannette_O'Brien@XXXXXX writes: << Thanks to all who came to our party last night! Thomas & I had a great time and are already thinking of when our next party should be!! - Jeannette >> You're welcome and Thanks for having us. I had fun also. Tell Tom I'm getting my VR Headgear back tomorrow so, maybe we can try it out on that monster of a computer he has. Scooter From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 1 19:23:26 1999 Return-Path: mrider@XXXXXX Received: from server1.illuminet.net (root@XXXXXX [205.215.54.51] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA27378 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 19:23:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrider.illuminet.net (cust045.quantico.illuminet.net [209.44.72.45]) by server1.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA05400; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 19:23:36 -0500 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19990202001428.006af38c@illuminet.net> X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 19:14:28 -0500 To: Chris Norloff , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Hosed There are valid reasons to avoid washing a motorcycle. :-) Leon. At 08:09 AM 2/1/99 -0500, Chris Norloff wrote: >Made a tactical error last night - I decided to hose off the bike after >dusting it on Leon's dirty ride Sunday. The temperature was 40 deg. F when >I got home, so I figured it would be okay. > >But by the time I hosed it off it must have been a lot colder because 30 >minutes later the water had frozen on the bike. > >So this morning I barely got the saddlebag open to stow my gear. Then the >fork lock was frozen, and that took a few minutes with a lighter on the key >to thaw it out. Then the starter button was frozen but I worked it loose. >The ignition was tight but still worked. I broke the sheets of ice off the >seat. I checked the brakes real carefully before I pulled out! > >The windshield was completely frozed over, but I don't look through it so I >was okay. As it got lighter outside I could see icicles hanging off my >instrument panel. > >Fortunately it'll be in a garage today, so it should be fully thawed for >the rider home. > >oops, >Chris Norloff > > > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 1 19:31:42 1999 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA27545 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 19:31:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from crxja001.wachovia.com ([199.4.241.53]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA06236; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 19:27:47 -0500 Message-Id: <199902020027.TAA06236@radagast.wizard.net> From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: zbig@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 19:25:52 -0500 Subject: Re: GPS Waypoints for Motorcyclists CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Priority: normal In-reply-to: <199902012250.RAA12836@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> References: <19990201132402.26804.rocketmail@send103.yahoomail.com> from "Nomad" at Feb 1, 99 05:24:02 am X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) Zbig, I just bought a GPS, too. I got the Lowrance GM100... it also has downloadable maps. It'd be cool to compile some waypoints, but I haven't tried g7to. If it would work with everyone's GPS, then it might be worth a try! Anita From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 1 19:43:13 1999 Return-Path: ljtanner@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA27714 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 19:43:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from LJTanner (207-172-70-253.s253.tnt11.brd.erols.com [207.172.70.253]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA11771 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 19:43:00 -0500 (EST) From: "Linda Tanner" To: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: RE: Bike stands - Need advice Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 19:42:46 -0500 Message-ID: <005101be4e44$f3825460$3821accf@LJTanner.arl.mci.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 In-reply-to: <3.0.6.32.19990129224014.0125b660@ns2.pgcc.net> Importance: Normal Sorry to be so late about this, but I've been in beautiful downtown Okeechobee FL (on business, no less). So... You do not need a centerstand to change the oil on a CBR. Being the proud owner (for the last three years) and nearly innumerable oil changes, I can say pretty much for certain. I don't think the F4 changed that much. BTW, the centerstand is standard on Euro models, but not on north american. Who know why??? A bike stand is useful regardless. LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze (52K miles and counting) http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ -----Original Message----- From: Brad [mailto:F4Rider@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, January 29, 1999 10:40 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Bike stands - Need advice Well, I got the F4, must say that I absolutely LOVE it. It would appear that I have no center stand, so I'm in the market for a good stand. I know this went through the list a while back, but I had the EX500 at the time, and didn't pay attention. So, I need to know what I should buy for a GOOD stand(s), for changing oil, removing rear and front tires, etc. No need to clog the list with useless chatter, if you could respond privately, that would be fine. Thanks, --Brad From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 1 20:26:27 1999 Return-Path: zbig@XXXXXX Received: from suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (zbig@XXXXXX [149.52.55.130]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA28395 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 20:26:24 -0500 (EST) From: zbig@XXXXXX Received: (from zbig@localhost) by suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA13096; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 20:26:20 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199902020126.UAA13096@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> Subject: Re: GPS Waypoints for Motorcyclists To: 2xracers@XXXXXX (Anita Lauro) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 20:26:19 -0500 (EST) Cc: zbig@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <199902020027.TAA06236@radagast.wizard.net> from "Anita Lauro" at Feb 1, 99 07:25:52 pm Reply-To: zbig@XXXXXX (Zbigniew J. Tyrlik) X-Phone: (703)-689-6975 X-Organization: Organized ? Just kidding.. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text > Zbig, > > I just bought a GPS, too. I got the Lowrance GM100... it also has > downloadable maps. It'd be cool to compile some waypoints, but I > haven't tried g7to. If it would work with everyone's GPS, then it > might be worth a try! > precisely. you can download g7to from the net; usually one of best starting points is Joe Mehaffy web site http://joe.mehaffy.com ( joe is an old regular on sci.geo.satellite-nav ). I went with Garmin since I already had II+, and I am used to operate this box while driving. Also, I finally found good location for my GPS - velcroed to clutch fluid container. Just fits under screen, what on XX is an accomplishment... > Anita > > _zjt -- ******************************************************************** Zbigniew J. Tyrlik DoD# 0759 CBR1100XX - BBird kleks@XXXXXX Free thinker, traveller, poet, happy father and husband.... From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 1 21:20:57 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA29298 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 21:20:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.22]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Mon, 01 Feb 1999 21:06:56 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "Hugh A. Caldwell" , Subject: RE: Insurance - WTF??? (another rant) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 21:12:27 -0500 Message-ID: <007c01be4e51$7abbd440$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Ditto State Farm. Many insurance cos. like this. Basically, instead of buying just a policy, you are buying ownership in the company. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" > USAA also sends you a refund if they've made too much > money :-). USAA RULES! From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 1 21:30:51 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA29486 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 21:30:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA19279 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 21:30:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (known imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA25785 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 21:30:46 -0500 (EST) From: Clayptlabs@XXXXXX Received: from Clayptlabs@XXXXXX by imo13.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id OMGa005309 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 21:19:45 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: <1921df29.36b660c1@aol.com> Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 21:19:45 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Helmets Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 Before you even think about flaming.... this is not an attempt to cause a fight. These are honest questions. I just bought a Shoei RF-800. This is my first fullface as I am a Harley rider that has always had a 1/2 helmet. So just don't lecture me. What i am curious about is a couple things. #1, why is the little tab that you lift the visor with only on the left side? When I stop at a light and need to lift it, my left hand is holding the clutch in, as in the MSF class. So I have to reach across? Why? #2, similarly the little lever used to crack the visor is on the left too? #3, is there any tint that can be put on or in the visor, similar to the tint at the top of a car's windshield? It seems as though the top edge of the helmet is further back than what i am used to with the 1/2 helmet. On an observation too, I find that when I do a head check, the helmet hits my shoulder. I suspect with a forward riding position, this would not be the case, but is proving to be kind of annoying. Any tips? Can visors be purchased with tabs on both sides? If it was going to be on only one side why not the right? Dave in Manassas aka SOOOEY From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 1 22:02:24 1999 Return-Path: Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc014.army.mil ([134.11.235.134]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA00139 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 22:02:23 -0500 (EST) Received: by dadc014.hqda.pentagon.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id <1DLMGBD1>; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 22:01:34 -0500 Message-ID: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46F01305E@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Insurance - WTF??? (update) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 22:01:33 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Chris, I think you are going to find that Farmers requires you to have a car insured with them to get a bike insured by them. At least that was the way it was with me about 6 months ago. Glenn > Okay, folks, here's an update on my insurance search, for those who are > interested: > > These are quotes for a new CBR600F4 with comprehensive coverage, $500 > deductible, MSF, and clean record: > > Allstate: $1,800 !!! > Progressive: $1,426 !! > Nationwide: $280 (only with car also) > Geico: No Coverage (they only cover motos with restricted access storage > like garages) > Farmer's Insurance: $207.40 (no ifs, ands or buts) > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 1 22:34:33 1999 Return-Path: mobacc@XXXXXX Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA00633 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 22:34:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-26.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.67]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA02268 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 22:34:30 -0500 Message-ID: <013201be4e5c$865c3460$4310b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "Dc Cycles" Subject: Re: Thank You, It Was Fun!! Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 22:31:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2120.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 And Thank You, Jeannette and Tom, especially for the cordial house tour. Great party (and chili). Regret having to leave early (I did lose track of time and had to scurry out). Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 -- > Mistake, dragging me away from that good time Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. -----Original Message----- From: Jeannette_O'Brien@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Monday, February 01, 1999 9:52 AM Subject: Thank You, It Was Fun!! > > >Thanks to all who came to our party last night! Thomas & I had a great time and >are already thinking of when our next party should be!! > >- Jeannette > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 1 22:35:12 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA00703 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 22:35:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA19850 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 22:35:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.erols.com (known smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA27233 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 22:35:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-99-225.s225.tnt13.ann.erols.com [207.172.99.225]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA29973; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 22:34:55 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36B67A4C.E0E9273B@geocities.com> Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 23:08:45 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Clayptlabs@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Helmets References: <1921df29.36b660c1@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Dave... Couldn't tell ya why the lifting tab is on the left, nor the lock on the left. As for a visor, you can buy different shields that are tinted in a variety of colors/shades.. with the RF it only takes a second or two to change the shields from one to another... I've got an "Arai" head, so my Shoei took forever before it didn't hurt my noggin, but now it's ok (reshaped my head ;-)). My only complaint about the RF series is that they are extremely noisy. Even with earplugs in, the wind noise gets pretty annoying. Congrats on the new helmet... they're good quality and will last you a long time. Collin -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LT, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ (racing page) From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 1 22:41:10 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA00735 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 22:41:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA19894 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 22:41:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from kamuelle.campus.vt.edu (known kamuelle.campus.vt.edu [198.82.109.118]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA27317 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 22:41:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from kamuelle.campus.vt.edu (kamuelle.campus.vt.edu [198.82.109.118]) by kamuelle.campus.vt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA00757; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 22:41:58 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from ewiley@XXXXXX) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 22:41:58 -0500 (EST) From: Karl Mueller X-Sender: ewiley@XXXXXX To: Clayptlabs@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Helmets In-Reply-To: <1921df29.36b660c1@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII As with just about everything in the world, helmets vary widly in manufacture and features. My helmet (AGV something or other..) has the little tab in the center. I'd be fairly certain that there are replacement visors for your helmet, just call about any good motorcycle supplier and you're bound to find one. Maybe the helmet you have was made for use in the UK :) keep on riding! --Karl Mueller ewiley@XXXXXX FreeBSD-2.2.8-RELEASE From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 1 22:48:51 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA00936 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 22:48:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA19960 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 22:48:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from pm06sm.pmm.cw.net (known pm06sm.pmm.cw.net [208.159.126.155]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA27428 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 22:48:42 -0500 (EST) From: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from default (usr9-dialup26.mix2.Boston.cw.net [166.55.69.26]) by PM06SM.PMM.CW.NET (PMDF V5.2-29 #35324) with SMTP id <0F6I001VZD85XR@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 03:48:08 +0000 (GMT) Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 22:47:59 -0500 Subject: Re: Insurance - WTF??? (update) To: dc-cycles Message-id: <00f201be4e5e$d4cc3e40$1a4537a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal >>>>>>snip>>>>>> >What I've found with Geico is that if you don't like a quote, or >they flat out tell you know, wait 5 minutes and call back. You >will get someone else, and probably get a different answer. >Dale I had to read this a couple times to believe it. Doesn't this tell you something? Doesn't sound like a place I want to deal with, ever. Jon From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 1 22:53:08 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA01038 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 22:53:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA20011 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 22:53:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.troutman.org (known www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA27523 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 22:53:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from iguana (209-122-214-156.s410.tnt3.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com [209.122.214.156]) by www.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.56) with SMTP id 413; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 22:52:27 -0500 Message-Id: <4.1.19990201224823.00c3f9e0@www.troutman.org> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 22:52:12 -0500 To: Clayptlabs@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mike Troutman" Subject: Re: Helmets In-Reply-To: <1921df29.36b660c1@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:19 PM 2/1/99 -0500, Clayptlabs@XXXXXX wrote: >Why is the little tab that you lift the visor with only on the left side? When I >stop at a light and need to lift it, my left hand is holding the clutch in, as >in the MSF class. So I have to reach across? Why? Good question, but I have the same helmet and have never had a problem using my right hand to notch it up. #2, similarly the little >lever used to crack the visor is on the left too? You generally don't adjust that..... #3, is there any tint that >can be put on or in the visor, similar to the tint at the top of a car's >windshield? You can buy tinted visors for about $30. They pop in place pretty easy on the 800. It seems as though the top edge of the helmet is further back >than what i am used to with the 1/2 helmet. I have noticed, on sunny days, I get blinded. One advantage to the 1/2 helmet is the little visor they usually have..... On an observation too, I find >that when I do a head check, the helmet hits my shoulder. I suspect with a >forward riding position, this would not be the case, but is proving to be kind >of annoying. Any tips? I'm pretty much straight up on the Nighthawk - never had that problem. You have a big neck or hunched shoulders? Or is your bike a cruiser where you lay back a bit? Can visors be purchased with tabs on both sides? If >it was going to be on only one side why not the right? Havent seen them on both. You should write Shoei and suggest it though. >Dave in Manassas >aka SOOOEY _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org '91 Honda Nighthawk 750 In bed for the winter. From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 1 23:24:01 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA01579 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 23:24:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA20300 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 23:23:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA28118 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 23:23:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.43]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Mon, 01 Feb 1999 23:20:03 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: , Subject: RE: Helmets Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 23:25:35 -0500 Message-ID: <007d01be4e64$1401a1e0$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: <1921df29.36b660c1@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Sounds like reasonable questions to me. Can't think why you'd get flamed. I have no idea why they are on the left. Presumably everyone covers the brake and not the clutch? FWIW, I can hold the clutch and reach across to grab the little tabs. Also, since the ratchets on my cl-10 are worn out, I can just push up on the front:) You can buy a new, tinted face shield. You can buy a special strip of tinting to go on the top inch of the shield. Or you can buy a sheet at Pep Boys and cut your own strip. Can't say I ever had any trouble hitting my shoulders with the lid. Not to be obnoxious, but are you relaxed enough when riding? If you are hunching your shoulders, you could be hitting them that way. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 1 23:53:57 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA02058 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 23:53:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA20527 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 23:53:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from portal1.visa.com (known portal1.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA28595 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 23:53:51 -0500 (EST) Received: by portal1.visa.com id UAA12553 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Mon, 1 Feb 1999 20:53:49 -0800 Received: by portal1.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Mon, 1 Feb 1999 20:53:49 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Insurance - WTF??? (another rant) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 12:06:27 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Progressive is OK by me - $139 for full coverage on the couch and they paid a claim for a bent front wheel (pot hole) promptly. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 1 23:58:25 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA02161 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 23:58:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA20567 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 23:58:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (known imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA28735 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 23:58:19 -0500 (EST) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo23.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 6ISBa07017; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 23:56:30 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: <6d82100.36b6857e@aol.com> Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 23:56:30 EST To: Clayptlabs@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Helmets Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 The little tab for the visor on my helmet is also on the left. At a stop light, I usually have no problem lifting the visor with my left hand as I slow down, or put the bike in neutral. I'm not sure why they always have them on the left. I've had a full-face helmet for about 6 months now and have learned to live with it. As far as tinting goes, there are also tinted strips sold out of Dennis Kirk. I don't recall what they look like, but they're basically the same as the blue tint strip at the top of a cage's windshield. I also ride a cruiser, though of a different brand (ahem). I've never had a prob doing a headcheck, though it is different from my 3/4 helmet. I don't usually turn my head all the way to the side; just enough to see out of the corner of my eyes. Anyways, happy riding! I found my full-face vastly more comfortable than my 3/4, especially on long rides. Robert VanSlyke 83 Shadow 750 "Black Wolf" From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 2 01:47:04 1999 Return-Path: raymondlucas@XXXXXX Received: from send203.yahoomail.com (send203.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.127]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA04057 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 01:47:02 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990202064721.10483.rocketmail@send203.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.30.31.72] by send203.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 01 Feb 1999 22:47:21 PST Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 22:47:21 -0800 (PST) From: Ray Subject: Back from the Third World To: DCCycles List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'm back, in case anyone noticed I was gone for a couple weeks in the Caribbean. It was definitely NOT a vacation, but at least it was warm. I was with some real weirdos, they didn't seem interested in the local motorcycles at all. They even thought I was insane when I went to the local police station to get pictures of the bikes. I took pictures of motorcycles and motorcycle shops, as soon as they're developed I'll try to get them posted. The police are using a brand new Taiwanese copy of an early-'60s Honda, complete with enclosed oil-bath chain, that weird Honda ignition running off the left side of the cam, and narrow ribbed tires. They were donated by the Republic of China (Taiwan) government, and the police are running them until they fall apart (they have no phrase for "preventive maintenance"). I also took pictures of bike shops. Spikes in the roof to deter burglers chopping their way in, iron doors, and concertina wire around the parking lot walls, plus a guard with a shotgun at every door. Some interesting bikes seen (in addition to the ROC-donated cop bikes) a real-live Modenas (Indonesian) and several mainland China bikes, 2 different brands, they went by too fast to get pictures. Ever wonder where your 50cc step-through went, the one you totally trashed when you were a kid? It's at the corner of Harry Truman Blvd and Delmas Ave. Ray _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 2 07:04:09 1999 Return-Path: Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc014.army.mil ([134.11.235.134]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA09902 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 07:04:08 -0500 (EST) Received: by dadc014.hqda.pentagon.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id <1DLMGBRN>; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 07:03:19 -0500 Message-ID: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46F01306A@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Insurance - WTF??? (update) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 07:03:18 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) My biggest problem with GEICO besides the fact they are a bunch of idiots is that they have donated laser guns to the MD state police. Knowing that I will *NEVER* be giving them my money regardless of how much cheaper they are to the next company. Glenn > >>>>>>snip>>>>>> > >What I've found with Geico is that if you don't like a quote, or > >they flat out tell you know, wait 5 minutes and call back. You > >will get someone else, and probably get a different answer. > >Dale > > I had to read this a couple times to believe it. Doesn't this tell you > something? Doesn't sound like a place I want to deal with, ever. > From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 2 08:29:01 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA11186 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 08:28:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA26048 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 08:28:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA04952 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 08:28:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id AD908F6013E; Tue, 02 Feb 1999 08:28:48 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990202080228.019e55b0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 08:07:17 -0500 To: Clayptlabs@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Helmets In-Reply-To: <1921df29.36b660c1@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:19 PM 2/1/99 , Clayptlabs@XXXXXX wrote: > I just bought a Shoei RF-800. >#1, why >is the little tab that you lift the visor with only on the left side? When I >stop at a light and need to lift it, my left hand is holding the clutch in, as >in the MSF class. So I have to reach across? Why? Poor design. It should be in the middle. Mine's like yours, and I just reach across with my right hand. > #2, similarly the little >lever used to crack the visor is on the left too? Mine doesn't have one of those, but it seems it should be on both sides - for the obvious reasons. > #3, is there any tint that >can be put on or in the visor, similar to the tint at the top of a car's >windshield? It seems as though the top edge of the helmet is further back >than what i am used to with the 1/2 helmet. "Sundowner" was a tint strip to add to the top. Not sure where to get one today. I'd recommend a small piece of tint film from an auto store, or get a baby shade and cut it up (baby shade - thicker "static cling" plastic to place on your car window next to baby). I use a Sundowner, and have added black plastic tape to make it opaque. >On an observation too, I find >that when I do a head check, the helmet hits my shoulder. I suspect with a >forward riding position, this would not be the case, but is proving to be kind >of annoying. Very surprised to hear that. Can't imaging the helmet hitting your shoulder unless you're leaning way way back. Don't know what to recommend. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 2 09:42:04 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA12262 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 09:42:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id AEB713A6012C; Tue, 02 Feb 1999 09:41:59 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990202094732.00fe7cd0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 09:49:23 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Left-Lane Slowpokes a Major Irritant Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WPlate/1999-02/02/004l-020299-idx.html Left-Lane Slowpokes a Major Irritant In AAA Poll, Drivers Vent Frustration at Those Who Keep Others From Passing By Alan Sipress Washington Post Staff Writer Tuesday, February 2, 1999; Page B03=20 Washington area motorists are overwhelmingly frustrated with slower drivers who stay in the left lane, even those cruising at the speed limit, according to a study by AAA Potomac that identified left-lane crawlers as a leading cause of aggressive driving. The annual AAA transportation survey, which will be released today, found that 97 percent of respondents agreed that slower highway drivers should always keep right and that 86 percent believed motorists traveling at the speed limit should always make way for faster drivers. In both cases, a large majority said they felt strongly about the issue. "The intensity of the response was really phenomenal. It is an enormous hot button," said AAA spokesman Lon Anderson.=20 For the fourth straight year, the AAA survey also found that aggressive driving was identified as the leading threat to highway safety. Drunken driving, which had been considered the leading highway hazard until aggressive driving exploded into the public consciousness in the mid-1990s, slipped further in the AAA poll, now ranking third behind traffic congestion. Forty-six percent of the respondents listed aggressive driving as the top safety threat, 20 percent listed congestion as the top safety threat and 18 percent said drunken driving, followed by large trucks and overall road conditions. "Safer driving happens when slower vehicles move right. Someone going 55 in the left-hand lane can become a real hazard," Anderson said.=20 He suggested that tougher laws might be required to keep slower drivers to the right. A bill sponsored this month in the Virginia legislature would require motorists to stay out of the left lane unless they were passing or preparing to take a left exit. Although a wide majority of motorists across the region said that drivers traveling at the speed limit should move to the right if a faster car approaches, a significantly larger proportion of Virginians -- about three-quarters -- strongly agreed with this view than did Maryland residents. "Virginians seem to cherish personal freedom much more than those in Maryland," Anderson said. "They don't like to have their behavior dictated to them, whether it's speeding in the left lane, wearing seat belts or carrying a gun." This year's telephone survey of 425 motorists marked the first time AAA had solicited opinions about left-lane driving. Anderson said the association decided to include questions about the issue after repeatedly hearing from motorists about their exasperation with drivers who cruise too slowly in the fast lane, and irritation with those who race up from behind and bully them out of the way.=20 "You follow a guy going 30 miles an hour in the fast lane and you get tense," Terri Kossan, who drives daily between her Sterling home and D.C. job as a retail manager, said in an interview. "You might not be an aggressive driver, but you become one. Then you take it out on everyone at work." Frank Principi, who commutes between Woodbridge and his D.C. job as a crisis management consultant, said, "It's a safety issue; it affects the flow of traffic, other than just being plain aggravating." And what of drivers who keep to the posted speed limit in the left lane? "That's aggravating, too." Richard Miller, a D.C. lobbyist who commutes from Alexandria, said a region suffering from some of the worst traffic in the nation faces more difficult challenges than slowpokes in the fast lane. "I could assure you there are very few people driving under the speed limit in the left-hand lane, and there are far more serious things to worry about," he said. "You should worry about having a lane to drive in at all." Virginia law permits a motorist traveling at the posted speed limit to remain in the left lane even if another driver wants to pass, according to state police spokeswoman Lucy Caldwell. But a motorist traveling below the speed limit can be ticketed if this prevents other drivers from passing, she said. In Maryland, there is no law requiring drivers in the left lane to make way for other cars, but any motorist traveling 10 mph or more under the speed limit must remain in the far-right lane, said Bob Stein, a state police spokesman.=20 =A9 Copyright 1999 The Washington Post Company From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 2 09:44:31 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA12331 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 09:44:29 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id JAA18766; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 09:45:49 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xmaa18268; Tue, 2 Feb 99 09:44:37 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F6J00CBY7MITJ@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 09:44:45 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 8525670C.0050B9BF ; Tue, 02 Feb 1999 09:41:44 -0500 Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 09:35:04 -0500 Subject: RE: Insurance - WTF??? (update) To: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <8525670C.005032C4.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Glenn et al; Well, they didn't mention it to me over the phone, nor did I give them any specifics on what year/model of car I own. I'll double-check this when it gets time to insure. At the rate Farmer's quoted, I'd be willing to switch over my car AND my house policy to them. By the way, has anyone had any experience filing a claim with Farmers? I'd like to know how responsive they are. Chris From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" Chris, I think you are going to find that Farmers requires you to have a car insured with them to get a bike insured by them. 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From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 2 09:53:29 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA12497 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 09:52:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com (ndcrelay2.mcit.com [166.37.172.6]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA05833 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 09:52:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta4.mcit.com (omta4.mcit.com [166.37.204.6]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id OAA09139; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 14:47:38 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta4.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990202145034.VCFM1406@toddnt>; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 08:50:34 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Zbigniew J. Tyrlik" , Cc: Subject: BikeLine Was: Insurance - WTF??? (update) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 09:49:24 -0500 Message-ID: <000201be4ebb$39782aa0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-reply-to: <199902012140.QAA12641@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Coincidence that this topic is coming up and I just got my quote from BikeLine yesterday. For both my ST1100 and CB750, my insurance will now be a wopping $347/yr. Much better than Recreational Products at $703/yr. And this is with a reckless/speeding ticket too! http://www.wwbci.com/bikeline/ What to do with the extra ca$h. :) Todd > > > > Allstate: $1,800 !!! > > Progressive: $1,426 !! > > Nationwide: $280 (only with car also) > > Geico: No Coverage (they only cover motos with restricted access storage > > like garages) > > Farmer's Insurance: $207.40 (no ifs, ands or buts) > > > > So it looks like the grand prize winner of my future insurance > dollars will > > be Farmer's Insurance. I'm a little afraid that the guy who gave me the > > quote must have entered in some figure wrong given the incredibly low > > price. > > > > Farmers is best - especially if you have home and car with them. > > > > > Chris Weaver > > > _zjt > -- > ******************************************************************** > Zbigniew J. Tyrlik DoD# 0759 CBR1100XX - BBird kleks@XXXXXX > Free thinker, traveller, poet, happy father and husband.... > From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 2 10:02:10 1999 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA12656 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 10:02:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from mscex.mailteam.uscg.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA06802 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 09:39:56 -0500 (EST) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 10:04:16 -0500 Message-ID: <904D6E6114A7D211ACCD006008A37EBD032AE6@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LT" To: "'dc'" Subject: International bike show pics Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 10:04:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Hey ya'll, I scanned the pics that Scooter took at the bike show and posted them for all to see...Notoriously missing from Scooter's pics were pictures of the R7, the AWESOME trials demos, Fogarty's WSB Ducati, a whole line up of extremely nice vintage bikes, and of course the Factory Dancers.... you'll have to suffice with the Bud Girls, who were just so-so. What he gave me I scanned. Posted to the yahoo club photo section : http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/dcareariders or for those that think answering three questions to create a log in is too complicated, I also posted them on the ftp server Mike T. set up at: ftp://ftp.wheatintl.com/incoming/dc-cycles/NYC-bike_show/ Enjoy. All pics are 400dpi JPG format with 15% compression. Some of the pics were a little dark and I was too lazy to make adjustments as I was going, but they turned out ok... If anyone likes a particular one and wants a higher resolution shot or one cleared up, let me know so I can rescan it before returning the photos to Scooter Collin From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 2 10:06:29 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA12765 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 10:06:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA27210 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 10:06:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from goliath.intelsol.com (known Goliath.intelsol.com [192.77.213.64]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07460 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 10:06:10 -0500 (EST) From: Steve_Beck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 (600.1 3-26-1998)) id 8525670C.00522D66 ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 09:57:35 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: Chris Norloff cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <8525670C.0051F80B.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 09:57:34 -0500 Subject: Re: Left-Lane Slowpokes a Major Irritant Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Hey Chris, doesn't this statement conflict with the statute you posted a few weeks ago regarding drivers who want to pass slower drivers in the left lane? Virginia law permits a motorist traveling at the posted speed limit to remain in the left lane even if another driver wants to pass, From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 2 10:11:06 1999 Return-Path: louis@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out.vma.verio.net (smtp-out.vma.verio.net [168.143.190.239]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA12783 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 10:11:04 -0500 (EST) From: louis@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-gw2.vma.verio.net ([168.143.0.22]) by smtp-out.vma.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 107hT9-00043C-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 10:10:27 -0500 Received: from shell.clark.net (clark.net [168.143.0.8]) by smtp-gw2.vma.verio.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA24059 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 10:10:55 -0500 (EST) Received: (from louis@localhost) by shell.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA19106 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 10:10:54 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199902021510.KAA19106@shell.clark.net> Subject: Re: Helmets (fwd) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 10:10:54 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text > > #3, is there any tint that > >can be put on or in the visor, similar to the tint at the top of a car's > >windshield? It seems as though the top edge of the helmet is further back > >than what i am used to with the 1/2 helmet. > > "Sundowner" was a tint strip to add to the top. Not sure where to get one > today. I'd recommend a small piece of tint film from an auto store, or get > a baby shade and cut it up (baby shade - thicker "static cling" plastic to > place on your car window next to baby). I use a Sundowner, and have added > black plastic tape to make it opaque. I picked one up at Morton's BMW last summer. Haven't put in on yet though. I'll stop procrastinating... tomorrow. Louis From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 2 10:31:22 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com (ndcrelay2.mcit.com [166.37.172.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA13199 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 10:31:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta4.mcit.com (omta4.mcit.com [166.37.204.6]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA16864; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 15:27:54 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta4.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990202153049.VJJN1406@toddnt>; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 09:30:49 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Chris Norloff" , Subject: RE: Left-Lane Slowpokes a Major Irritant Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 10:29:39 -0500 Message-ID: <000601be4ec0$d91d3550$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-reply-to: <4.1.19990202094732.00fe7cd0@mail.toward.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Chris Norloff wrote: > Left-Lane Slowpokes a Major Irritant > In AAA Poll, Drivers Vent Frustration at Those Who Keep > Others From Passing >snip< > "Virginians seem to cherish personal freedom much more than those in > Maryland," Anderson said. "They don't like to have their behavior > dictated to them, whether it's speeding in the left lane, wearing seat > belts or carrying a gun." >snip< Damn right we do! When we see one of those silly cardboard troopers on the highway, we release our seat belts and run over the sucker while simultaneously firing our handguns and swigging some good ole southern bourbon. YEEEHAW! Nothing like a little personal freedom to make you feel like a Virginian! ;) Todd From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 2 10:46:45 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA13480 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 10:46:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id ADD98CE009E; Tue, 02 Feb 1999 10:46:33 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990202104011.00ff32a0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 10:41:49 -0500 To: "Fagan, Collin LT" , "'dc'" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: International bike show pics In-Reply-To: <904D6E6114A7D211ACCD006008A37EBD032AE6@MSCEX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:04 AM 2/2/99 , Fagan, Collin LT wrote: >Posted to the yahoo club photo section : >http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/dcareariders >or for those that think answering three questions to create a log in is too >complicated, I also posted them on the ftp server Mike T. set up at: >ftp://ftp.wheatintl.com/incoming/dc-cycles/NYC-bike_show/ Three questions for Yahoo? I put in what I thought was a reasonable minimum, and they said: Please specify a Secret Answer. You didn't specify a valid Year for your birthday. Please specify your Gender. Please specify an Occupation. Please specify your Industry. Please specify a Zip or Postal Code. But thanks for putting the pictures on the web. tired of being a data point, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 2 10:46:42 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA13479 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 10:46:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA27916 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 10:46:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA09010 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 10:46:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id ADD78CE009E; Tue, 02 Feb 1999 10:46:31 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990202103019.00ff5020@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 10:34:55 -0500 To: Steve_Beck@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Left-Lane Slowpokes a Major Irritant Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <8525670C.0051F80B.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable At 09:57 AM 2/2/99 , Steve_Beck@XXXXXX wrote: >Hey Chris, doesn't this statement conflict with the statute you posted a >few weeks ago regarding drivers who want to pass slower drivers in the left >lane? > >"Virginia law permits a motorist traveling at the posted speed limit to > remain in the left lane even if another driver wants to pass," ****************************************************************************= *** Yup. According to the VA law online at http://leg1.state.va.us/, current as of July 1998. I've heard several times the VA State Police contradict this law. I wonder if it's an ancient, ignored law, or if this is one of those laws the courts or the police have chosen not to enforce. This is one of those times it'd be nice to have a skillful, crusading lawyer on your side. Sure wish legislators would write enforceable laws and then the police and courts would enforce them. Chris Norloff ************************* =A7 46.2-842=20 Driver to give way to overtaking vehicle=20 Except when overtaking and passing on the right is permitted, the driver of an overtaken vehicle shall give way to the right in favor of the overtaking vehicle on audible signal and shall not increase the speed of his vehicle until completely passed by the overtaking vehicle. Any over-width, or slow-moving vehicle as defined by =A746.2-1081 shall be removed from the roadway at the nearest suitable location when necessary to allow traffic to pass.=20 *********************** I thought it might apply to emergency vehicles only, but that's covered under this -- ********************** =A7 46.2-829=20 Approach of law-enforcement or fire-fighting vehicles, rescue vehicles, or ambulances; violation as failure to yield right-of-way=20 Upon the approach of any emergency vehicle as defined in =A746.2-920 giving audible signal by siren, exhaust whistle, or air horn designed to give automatically intermittent signals, and displaying a flashing, blinking, or alternating emergency light or lights as provided in =A7=A746.2-1022 through 46.2-1024, the driver of every other vehicle shall, as quickly as traffic and other highway conditions permit, drive to the nearest edge of the roadway, clear of any intersection of highways, and stop and remain there, unless otherwise directed by a law-enforcement officer, until the emergency vehicle has passed. This provision shall not relieve the driver of any such vehicle to which the right-of-way is to be yielded of the duty to drive with due regard for the safety of all persons using the highway, nor shall it protect the driver of any such vehicle from the consequences of an arbitrary exercise of such right-of-way.=20 Violation of this section shall constitute failure to yield the right-of-way; however, any violation of this section that involves overtaking or passing a moving emergency vehicle giving an audible signal and displaying activated warning lights as provided for in this section shall constitute reckless driving, punishable as provided in =A746.2-868.=20 ********************* From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 2 11:12:22 1999 Return-Path: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from pm01sm.pmm.cw.net (pm01sm.pmm.cw.net [208.159.126.150]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA13946 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 11:12:14 -0500 (EST) From: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from default (usr26-dialup37.mix2.Boston.cw.net [166.55.73.101]) by PM01SM.PMM.CW.NET (PMDF V5.2-29 #35315) with SMTP id <0F6J00H3ZBMYEL@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 16:11:27 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 11:11:15 -0500 Subject: Re: International bike show pics To: "'dc'" Message-id: <001a01be4ec6$acb22600$654937a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Cool photos guys and speaking of pics from the show, you can check out my site at: http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Lane/9213/cycleshow.htm Just ignore my ranting and raving opinions and click the thumbs...... Jon -----Original Message----- From: Fagan, Collin LT To: 'dc' Date: Tuesday, February 02, 1999 10:19 AM Subject: International bike show pics >Hey ya'll, >I scanned the pics that Scooter took at the bike show and posted them for >all to see...Notoriously missing from Scooter's pics were pictures of the >R7, the AWESOME trials demos, Fogarty's WSB Ducati, a whole line up of >extremely nice vintage bikes, and of course the Factory Dancers.... you'll >have to suffice with the Bud Girls, who were just so-so. What he gave me I >scanned. >Posted to the yahoo club photo section : >http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/dcareariders >or for those that think answering three questions to create a log in is too >complicated, I also posted them on the ftp server Mike T. set up at: >ftp://ftp.wheatintl.com/incoming/dc-cycles/NYC-bike_show/ > >Enjoy. All pics are 400dpi JPG format with 15% compression. Some of the >pics were a little dark and I was too lazy to make adjustments as I was >going, but they turned out ok... If anyone likes a particular one and wants >a higher resolution shot or one cleared up, let me know so I can rescan it >before returning the photos to Scooter > >Collin From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 2 11:15:47 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA14044 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 11:15:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA28415 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 11:15:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (known imo15.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA10029 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 11:15:34 -0500 (EST) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo15.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 3GGSa03538 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 11:13:55 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <90cb9eb1.36b72443@aol.com> Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 11:13:55 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Insurance - WTF??? (another rant) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 well a FAT lot of good that does me! they won't insure in DC! argh grumble grumble In a message dated 2/1/99 2:40:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, todd.b.peer@XXXXXX writes: > The AMA allows Progressive to be the official moto-insurance company of the > association. Progressive sucks too (MOO-My Opinion Only). They remind me > of the GEICO of moto-insurance (flame-suit on, arms across chest, go ahead > >:) > > Todd From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 2 11:24:23 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA14136 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 11:24:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA28567 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 11:24:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (known imo17.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.7]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA10343 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 11:24:18 -0500 (EST) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo17.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id SCNVa03211 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 11:19:25 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 11:19:25 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Insurance - WTF??? (another rant) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 OK c'mon - am I the ONLY person living in DC and insuring their motorcycle in DC? I know I should "live" in VA or MD for insurance purposes but I'm a big chicken. Does anyone - anywhere know a cheaper way to get insurance in the District than with Allstate? I called a LOT of companies and most won't insure in DC at all. Marcy *sending the evil eye to insurance companies everywhere* p.s. although I have to admit when I had a claim with Allstate I got my money's worth! They were extremely service oriented and paid up for damages promptly, with no argument, and in full. and paid for most of a rental car for me while the bike was in the shop ... From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 2 14:08:04 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA16228 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 14:08:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id AD0E4300268; Tue, 02 Feb 1999 14:07:58 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990202140434.00ff7690@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 14:08:25 -0500 To: Ray , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Left-Lane Slowpokes a Major Irritant In-Reply-To: <19990202172703.20041.rocketmail@send206.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:27 PM 2/2/99 , Ray wrote: >The problem seems to be everyone hates slow drivers in the left lane, >but nobody can admit that THEY are the SLOW driver in the left lane. Yes, did you notice that sentence in the article? "...the association decided to include questions about the issue after repeatedly hearing from motorists about their exasperation with drivers who cruise too slowly in the fast lane, and irritation with those who race up from behind and bully them out of the way. " It's just like that old George Carlin routine about other drivers - if they're going slower than you they're morons, if they're going faster than you they're a**holes. Personally, I think there's room for us all if people will share, but there's not enough room if people want to hog "their part" of the road. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 2 14:08:04 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA16227 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 14:08:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id AD0A4300268; Tue, 02 Feb 1999 14:07:54 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990202140137.00ff44d0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 14:03:24 -0500 To: JinnSinn@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: International bike show pics In-Reply-To: <90cb9ebd.36b72df9@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" The worst ever was then a store wanted my social security number to buy a bag of sand. Really. It was at a rental store (where they rent sand blasters) and all I wanted to do was buy a bag of sand. They wanted to do a rental contract on a $3 bag of sand. Chris Norloff At 11:55 AM 2/2/99 , JinnSinn@XXXXXX wrote: >I'm with you on that one Chris! I used to have a goldfish and had to go to the >pet store occassionally - where at purchae, they would always ask my zip code >- I would always refuse to give it and they always looked at me like I was >nuts! LOL > >Marcy > >In a message dated 2/2/99 10:59:37 AM Eastern Standard Time, >cnorloff@XXXXXX writes: > >> tired of being a data point, >> Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 2 14:08:08 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA16231 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 14:08:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id AD0C4300268; Tue, 02 Feb 1999 14:07:56 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990202140347.00ffb450@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 14:04:21 -0500 To: From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: International bike show pics Cc: "'dc'" In-Reply-To: <8525670C.005D0C8D.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Yes. Please speak with Mistress Anita. LOL, Chris Norloff At 11:58 AM 2/2/99 , christopher.meier@XXXXXX wrote: >Yeah ... I went ahead and answered them all and I am still only a "guest" >of the group. How does one become a full member? Swallow a goldfish? Get >hit on the ass with a paddle? > >What gives? >--chris > >To: "Fagan, Collin LT" , 'dc' > >cc: >From: Chris Norloff >Date: 02/02/99 03:41:49 PM GMT >Subject: Re: International bike show pics > > > > >At 10:04 AM 2/2/99 , Fagan, Collin LT wrote: >>Posted to the yahoo club photo section : >>http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/dcareariders >>or for those that think answering three questions to create a log in is >too >>complicated, I also posted them on the ftp server Mike T. set up at: >>ftp://ftp.wheatintl.com/incoming/dc-cycles/NYC-bike_show/ > > >Three questions for Yahoo? I put in what I thought was a reasonable >minimum, and they said: > Please specify a Secret Answer. > You didn't specify a valid Year for your birthday. > Please specify your Gender. > Please specify an Occupation. > Please specify your Industry. > Please specify a Zip or Postal Code. > >But thanks for putting the pictures on the web. > >tired of being a data point, >Chris Norloff > > > > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 2 14:16:30 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA16392 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 14:16:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA22776 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 14:15:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA01940 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 14:15:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from animal.DINFOS.OSD.MIL (known animal.dinfos.osd.mil [199.122.55.11]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA17364 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 14:15:38 -0500 (EST) Received: by ANIMAL.dinfos.osd.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 14:14:46 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO" To: "'Lindsay'" , "'Kelly'" , "'home'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" , "'Papa Ron'" , agreut , aprouse , Bert Breedlove , byronn , cce1645 , cndean , "Cook.Terry" , CristJA1 , Dave Ritch , DCLUTTS , deanna3 , dwarrick , ejmercer , gregm , j4peterson , ja-cook , Jbogdanor , jhermann , jkwms , Josh Neel , jpucket , jshack , jvassar639 , JVMurray , jworley , ltmercer , lundell4 , mpress , msmelody , mwstevens , norris5 , nsn888 , rflester , Rhonda Ritch , rsw , scbc , ssoliday , tadufre , toolie , twtayl , wecare Subject: Trojan alert -- this one is real -- honest! Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 14:14:43 -0500 Importance: high X-Priority: 1 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain I don't subscribe to sending this types of things out until they are checked out by our computer experts here. This one has been verified, so watch out. In fact, four Air Force bases have been infected by it already. Mitch > -----Original Message----- > From: Lollis, Cheryl DINFOS/IRM > Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 1999 12:47 PM > To: DINFOS ALL > Subject: FW: INTERNET EXPLORER TROJAN PROGRAM ALERT > Importance: High > > This information was passed to IRM by SGM Gilbert and has been verified to > be a valid concern through www.assist.mil. All users, both at work and at > home, are warned to be aware of this. While it does not appear to be > directly damaging to an individual user, it is a trojan program which can > severely affect internet users. It is currently believed that this trojan > is being passed via e-mail. > > Users should watch for any or all of the following combination of files: > > IE0199.EXE > SNDVOL.EXE > > If any such e-mail or files are received, you are requested to notify IRM > immediately for proper detection, cleaning and reporting. Do not attempt > to execute. > > As a reminder, Never open an attachment or execute a program from an > unsolicited E-mail or from an un-trusted source. > > Thank you, > > Cheryl Lollis > Chief, IRM Networks > DSN 923-7410 > (301) 677-7410 > From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 2 14:20:12 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA16482 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 14:20:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA19905 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 13:26:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id A342C4B012E; Tue, 02 Feb 1999 13:26:10 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990202111107.00ff1130@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 11:13:05 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Crowbar delinquent on taxes? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" While searching the DC page for tax forms for my employer, I came across their "Top Tax Delinquents" (http://www.dccfo.com/deliqtax.htm) and found - Crowbar, Inc.; Responsible Officer - Stephan M. Zarpas, $171,840.00 From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 2 14:20:41 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA16491 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 14:20:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA19903 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 13:26:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id A340C4B012E; Tue, 02 Feb 1999 13:26:08 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990202105449.00ff3f10@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 11:13:43 -0500 To: louis@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Helmets (fwd) In-Reply-To: <199902021510.KAA19106@shell.clark.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:10 AM 2/2/99 , louis@XXXXXX wrote: >> "Sundowner" was a tint strip to add to the top. Not sure where to get one >> today. I'd recommend a small piece of tint film from an auto store, or get >> a baby shade and cut it up (baby shade - thicker "static cling" plastic to >> place on your car window next to baby). I use a Sundowner, and have added >> black plastic tape to make it opaque. > >I picked one up at Morton's BMW last summer. Haven't put in on yet >though. I'll stop procrastinating... tomorrow. >Louis :-) Morton's BMW does a surprisingly good job at keeping the right things in stock. www.mortonsbmw.com Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 2 14:20:26 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA16489 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 14:20:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA20475 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 13:38:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta4.mcit.com (omta4.mcit.com [166.37.204.6]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id SAA27515 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 18:37:35 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta4.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990202183758.WQJV1406@toddnt> for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 12:37:58 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: Subject: RE: BikeLine Was: Insurance - WTF??? (update) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 13:36:47 -0500 Message-ID: <000d01be4eda$fd89dbe0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-reply-to: X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal You're welcome > > hey guys - I called bikeline and just cut my DC insurance down to > less than > HALF of what I paid with Allstate (826 to 318)!!!!!!!!!!! YES! :D > > I don't recall who posted about Bikeline first but whoever it was > - THANK YOU > - you just made my day! :D > > Marcy > > In a message dated 2/2/99 12:05:42 PM Eastern Standard Time, > todd.b.peer@XXXXXX writes: > > > http://www.bike-line.com/ > From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 2 14:21:04 1999 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA16493 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 14:20:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA17334 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 12:52:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Tue, 02 Feb 1999 12:50:31 -0500 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 02 Feb 1999 12:50:24 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 13:49:42 -0500 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, cnorloff@XXXXXX Subject: Left-Lane Slowpokes a Major Irritant -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline I'd like to round up these left-laners and send 'em to Germany for a little stint on the Autobahn. Talk about "scared straight." Joe (240 kph or go home!) From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 2 14:21:46 1999 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA16495 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 14:21:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA17119 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 12:50:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from mscex.mailteam.uscg.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA17979; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 12:26:34 -0500 (EST) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 12:50:55 -0500 Message-ID: <904D6E6114A7D211ACCD006008A37EBD032AEF@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LT" To: "'christopher.meier@XXXXXX'" Cc: "'dc'" Subject: RE: International bike show pics Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 12:50:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain On Tuesday, February 02, 1999 11:59 AM, christopher.meier@XXXXXX [SMTP:christopher.meier@XXXXXX] wrote: > Yeah ... I went ahead and answered them all and I am still only a "guest" > of the group. How does one become a full member? >From that point (which created your yahoo profile), on the dcareariders page you'll see a link in the upper right hand corner that says click here to join club.... From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 2 14:22:12 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA16497 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 14:21:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA16231 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 12:39:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA29754 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 12:39:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (known iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA13478 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 12:39:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Tue, 02 Feb 1999 12:38:21 -0500 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 02 Feb 1999 12:38:20 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 13:37:47 -0500 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, dawn.jon@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Insurance - WTF??? (update) -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Not to mention, the jerkoffs buy radar guns for police departments. Nice investment, huh? Joe I had to read this a couple times to believe it. Doesn't this tell you something? Doesn't sound like a place I want to deal with, ever. Jon From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 2 14:22:23 1999 Return-Path: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA16506 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 14:22:15 -0500 (EST) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com (imo21.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.65]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA15452 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 12:28:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo21.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 4YQYa07792; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 12:23:38 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 12:23:38 EST To: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX, zbig@XXXXXX, christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: BikeLine Was: Insurance - WTF??? (update) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 hey guys - I called bikeline and just cut my DC insurance down to less than HALF of what I paid with Allstate (826 to 318)!!!!!!!!!!! YES! :D I don't recall who posted about Bikeline first but whoever it was - THANK YOU - you just made my day! :D Marcy In a message dated 2/2/99 12:05:42 PM Eastern Standard Time, todd.b.peer@XXXXXX writes: > http://www.bike-line.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 2 14:22:41 1999 Return-Path: raymondlucas@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA16523 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 14:22:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from send206.yahoomail.com (send206.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.130]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA15428 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 12:28:00 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990202172703.20041.rocketmail@send206.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.30.31.57] by send206.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 02 Feb 1999 09:27:03 PST Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 09:27:03 -0800 (PST) From: Ray Subject: Re: Left-Lane Slowpokes a Major Irritant To: Chris Norloff , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii ---Chris Norloff wrote: > > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WPlate/1999-02/02/004l-020299-idx.html > > Left-Lane Slowpokes a Major Irritant The problem seems to be everyone hates slow drivers in the left lane, but nobody can admit that THEY are the SLOW driver in the left lane. _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 2 14:22:51 1999 Return-Path: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA16528 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 14:22:46 -0500 (EST) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from imo26.mx.aol.com (imo26.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.70]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA13461 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 11:55:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo26.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id VHZTa00811; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 11:50:06 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <2c17780f.36b72cbe@aol.com> Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 11:50:06 EST To: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX, zbig@XXXXXX, christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: BikeLine Was: Insurance - WTF??? (update) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 Is this an insurance company? marcy In a message dated 2/2/99 10:05:57 AM Eastern Standard Time, todd.b.peer@XXXXXX writes: > I just got my quote from > BikeLine yesterday. From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 2 14:23:08 1999 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA16543 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 14:22:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA13080 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 11:53:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Tue, 02 Feb 1999 11:51:53 -0500 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 02 Feb 1999 11:51:51 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 12:51:12 -0500 From: JOE NAGY To: louis@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Helmets (fwd) -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline If you're just looking to duck out of the sun, get some 3M plastic tape from your hardware store. It's like electrical tape, but comes in colors, so it looks kinda trick. My daily commute goes west-east in the a.m., so I did all my shields with the stuff. Joe From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 2 14:23:10 1999 Return-Path: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA16545 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 14:23:09 -0500 (EST) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com (imo16.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.6]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA13705 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 12:05:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo16.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id AEHCa27784; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 11:55:21 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <90cb9ebd.36b72df9@aol.com> Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 11:55:21 EST To: cnorloff@XXXXXX, cfagan@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: International bike show pics Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 I'm with you on that one Chris! I used to have a goldfish and had to go to the pet store occassionally - where at purchae, they would always ask my zip code - I would always refuse to give it and they always looked at me like I was nuts! LOL Marcy In a message dated 2/2/99 10:59:37 AM Eastern Standard Time, cnorloff@XXXXXX writes: > tired of being a data point, > Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 2 14:23:12 1999 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA16547 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 14:23:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA14792 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 12:18:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Tue, 02 Feb 1999 12:16:32 -0500 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 02 Feb 1999 12:16:30 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 13:15:26 -0500 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, cfagan@XXXXXX Subject: Re: International bike show pics -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline At 10:04 AM 2/2/99 , Fagan, Collin LT wrote: for those that think answering three questions to create a log in is too >complicated, Collin, Three questions, my furry butt! I wasn't expecting the Spanish Inquisition! And I still couldn't get in . . . I'm goin to that other link. Yes, I'ma idiot, and I'm glad riding isn't this complicated, Joe "NOBODY expects the Spanish Inquisition!" --Monty Python From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 2 14:23:15 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA16549 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 14:23:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA13666 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 12:02:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta4.mcit.com (omta4.mcit.com [166.37.204.6]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id RAA32004; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 17:01:22 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta4.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990202170134.WBSS1406@toddnt>; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 11:01:34 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: , , Cc: Subject: RE: BikeLine Was: Insurance - WTF??? (update) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 12:00:23 -0500 Message-ID: <000c01be4ecd$85deb5a0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-reply-to: <2c17780f.36b72cbe@aol.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal They're an Underwriter (American Underwriting Managers) and they are bikers! They do not deal with car insurance, just motorcycles. IOW, they know more about the lifestyle and true actuaries(sp) of the riding population. Looks like they cover DC too. http://www.bike-line.com/ Todd > Is this an insurance company? > > marcy > > In a message dated 2/2/99 10:05:57 AM Eastern Standard Time, > todd.b.peer@XXXXXX writes: > > > I just got my quote from > > BikeLine yesterday. > From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 2 14:23:17 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA16551 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 14:23:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA13044 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 11:50:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA28919 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 11:49:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (known ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA11112 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 11:49:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta4.mcit.com (omta4.mcit.com [166.37.204.6]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id QAA22553; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 16:48:13 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta4.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990202164836.VYUX1406@toddnt>; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 10:48:36 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Chris Norloff" , Cc: Subject: RE: Left-Lane Slowpokes a Major Irritant Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 11:47:26 -0500 Message-ID: <000b01be4ecb$b6b3b1f0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-reply-to: <4.1.19990202103019.00ff5020@mail.toward.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal So, what? Instead of flashing your lights you need to beep the horn? It could be argued from the defending position that they never heard your horn. Considering the pitiful little horns on most bikes, they'd have a good defense. Todd > ************************* > § 46.2-842 > > Driver to give way to overtaking vehicle > > Except when overtaking and passing on the right is permitted, the > driver of > an overtaken vehicle shall give way to the right in favor of the > overtaking > vehicle on audible signal and shall not increase the speed of his vehicle > until completely passed by the overtaking vehicle. Any over-width, or > slow-moving vehicle as defined by §46.2-1081 shall be removed from the > roadway at the nearest suitable location when necessary to allow > traffic to > pass. > *********************** > From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 2 14:23:22 1999 Return-Path: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA16553 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 14:23:20 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA14235 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 12:10:31 -0500 (EST) Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id MAA09462; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 12:04:45 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma008958; Tue, 2 Feb 99 12:03:27 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F6J00AQQE0TOH@XXXXXX>; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 12:03:30 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 8525670C.005D59A4 ; Tue, 02 Feb 1999 11:59:37 -0500 Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 11:58:42 -0500 Subject: Re: International bike show pics To: Chris Norloff Cc: "Fagan, Collin LT" , "'dc'" Message-id: <8525670C.005D0C86.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Yeah ... I went ahead and answered them all and I am still only a "guest" of the group. How does one become a full member? Swallow a goldfish? Get hit on the ass with a paddle? What gives? --chris To: "Fagan, Collin LT" , 'dc' cc: From: Chris Norloff Date: 02/02/99 03:41:49 PM GMT Subject: Re: International bike show pics At 10:04 AM 2/2/99 , Fagan, Collin LT wrote: >Posted to the yahoo club photo section : >http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/dcareariders >or for those that think answering three questions to create a log in is too >complicated, I also posted them on the ftp server Mike T. set up at: >ftp://ftp.wheatintl.com/incoming/dc-cycles/NYC-bike_show/ Three questions for Yahoo? I put in what I thought was a reasonable minimum, and they said: Please specify a Secret Answer. You didn't specify a valid Year for your birthday. Please specify your Gender. Please specify an Occupation. Please specify your Industry. Please specify a Zip or Postal Code. But thanks for putting the pictures on the web. tired of being a data point, Chris Norloff ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 2 14:23:55 1999 Return-Path: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA16570 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 14:23:53 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id OAA24584; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 14:25:19 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma024191; Tue, 2 Feb 99 14:25:06 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F6J009QIKLW5O@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 14:25:10 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 8525670C.006A65C9 ; Tue, 02 Feb 1999 14:22:08 -0500 Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 14:19:53 -0500 Subject: RE: International bike show pics To: "Fagan, Collin LT" Cc: "'dc'" Message-id: <8525670C.0069F4C7.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Thanks Collin, it worked for me and I am now a full fledged member. Looks like I (unfortunately?) will not be needing the Mistress ... --chris 'dc' From: "Fagan, Collin LT" Date: 02/02/99 05:50:52 PM GMT Subject: RE: International bike show pics On Tuesday, February 02, 1999 11:59 AM, christopher.meier@XXXXXX [SMTP:christopher.meier@XXXXXX] wrote: > Yeah ... I went ahead and answered them all and I am still only a "guest" > of the group. How does one become a full member? >From that point (which created your yahoo profile), on the dcareariders page you'll see a link in the upper right hand corner that says click here to join club.... ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 2 14:50:20 1999 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA17329 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 14:50:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA25839 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 14:50:04 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 14:50:02 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Firestorm for sale in Richamond (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Just forwarding along. I know nothing about this particular bike. However, I do know that the VTR/SuperHawk/Firestorm is good for just cruising around... Kirk >> I was just curious, I am looking to sell my Superhawk and I was wondering if >> you know anyone that might be interested. >> >> It's a 1998 - 7,500 miles, extended warranty, corbin saddle and fender >> eliminator. Other than that it is stock and cherry!! Asking price is >> $6,500. >> >> I live in Richmond and if you know of anyone could you please give me or my >> husband a call at >> 510/243-0733. My name is Amy and his name is Rob. >> >> Thanks, and hopefully we'll hear from you. >> >> Amy and Rob From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 2 15:03:59 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com (ndcrelay2.mcit.com [166.37.172.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA17488 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 15:03:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta4.mcit.com (omta4.mcit.com [166.37.204.6]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id UAA21943; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 20:00:18 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta4.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990202200313.XDPQ1406@toddnt>; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 14:03:13 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Chris Norloff" , "Ray" , Subject: RE: Left-Lane Slowpokes a Major Irritant Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 15:02:01 -0500 Message-ID: <001201be4ee6$e5d46860$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-reply-to: <4.1.19990202140434.00ff7690@mail.toward.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Chris Norloff wrote: > > It's just like that old George Carlin routine about other drivers - if > they're going slower than you they're morons, if they're going faster than > you they're a**holes. > > > Personally, I think there's room for us all if people will share, but > there's not enough room if people want to hog "their part" of the road. Are you implying that the driving public become (*aack*), courteous? What a novel concept, and I wish they would require some trickster questions on the DMV licensing exam like the following (all answers are d): - You are driving in the far right lane and a car is attempting to merge from an on-ramp. You KNOW he is trying, because he is accelerating to match traffic speed and his turn signal is blinking. You; a) Speed up to match him or block him. b) Grudgingly allow him to enter because your hunk of junk can't go any faster. c) Give him the bird as you blow past him. d) Either move over a lane, or slow to allow the merge. - You come to a stop sign and; a) Just breeze on through because, hey, nobody wants to hit you and go through all the hassles with police and insurance co.s. b) Stop and sit there and make your way to important cell-phone call as traffic builds behind you. c) Stop and wait until the approaching car is nanometers from passing you by, then punch it! d) Stop, signal as the case may be, and proceed with caution. - You've been tooling along in the passing lane at approximately 56mph for quite some time. Every other car on the hi-way is passing you by, which irritates you to no end because, damnit, they should'nt be passing me on the right. Suddenly, you see a police cruiser on the shoulder, obviously busy with a little tax collecting and you; a) Slam on the Brakes! SLAM 'EM.. AAeeeii!, or b) Immediately slam on the brakes and merge into the right lane without signalling, because you know in your heart of hearts that you SHOULDN'T BE IN THE PASSING LANE ANYWAY. c) Slow to 55mph. d) Pull the gun from the glove box and pop one in your temple. From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 2 15:17:52 1999 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA17757 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 15:17:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA29786 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 15:17:25 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 15:17:24 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: Left-Lane Slowpokes a Major Irritant In-Reply-To: <001201be4ee6$e5d46860$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 2 Feb 1999, Todd Peer wrote: > - You come to a stop sign and; > d) Stop, signal as the case may be, and proceed with caution. On that point, I'd like to see a lot of stop signs (most of them) switched over to yield signs. It's my understanding that this works in many other countries. Is America just too full of pricks for this to work? I can't imagine that other countries have a significantly lower prick ratio... Kirk From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 2 15:29:50 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from www.troutman.org (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA17934 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 15:29:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from vulture (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by www.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.56) with SMTP id 152; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 15:29:04 -0500 Message-Id: <4.1.19990202152841.02859b30@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 15:29:00 -0500 To: "Todd Peer" , "Chris Norloff" , "Ray" , From: "Mike Troutman" Subject: RE: Left-Lane Slowpokes a Major Irritant In-Reply-To: <001201be4ee6$e5d46860$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> References: <4.1.19990202140434.00ff7690@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 03:02 PM 2/2/99 , Todd Peer wrote: > d) Pull the gun from the glove box and pop one in your temple. This was, by far, my favorite. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '91 Nighthawk 750 Naked bike, and too damn cold to ride From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 2 15:30:52 1999 Return-Path: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA18009 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 15:30:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA27792 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 15:30:49 -0500 (EST) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id D2GT3PZC; Tue, 02 Feb 1999 15:30:04 EST To: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: International bike show pics Message-ID: <19990202.134412.5271.1.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: <90cb9ebd.36b72df9@aol.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 6-10,13,15 From: Bikes R Us Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 15:30:04 EST Why not give up your zip code? It's not very personal information. It's not like they're going to come to your house for anything. They ask for zips so they can decide which zip ranges are best for mailing flyers to. Or with bigger stores, it helps them decided where to build a new location. I have an unlisted phone number and my social security number is tough to pry out of me, but my zip code is share with thousands of people. No big deal... JohnDavid@Bikes R Us On Tue, 2 Feb 1999 11:55:21 EST JinnSinn@XXXXXX writes: >I'm with you on that one Chris! I used to have a goldfish and had to go to the pet >store occassionally - where at purchae, they would always ask my zip code. >- I would always refuse to give it and they always looked at me like I was nuts! LOL ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 2 15:40:08 1999 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA18142 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 15:40:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from mscex.mailteam.uscg.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA00780; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 15:17:11 -0500 (EST) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 15:41:33 -0500 Message-ID: <904D6E6114A7D211ACCD006008A37EBD032AFD@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LT" To: "'Kirk Roy'" , DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: Left-Lane Slowpokes a Major Irritant Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 15:41:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Without meaning any direct offense to the one or two lawyers we have on the list.... Our ratio is significantly higher... we have what, 50% or so of the world's lawyer population ;-) Also..the lawyers would be kept in business for a long time to come with yield signs everywhere! At least when someone blows a stop sign and whacks you there is less ambiguity as to who screwed up... Collin (plenty of smily faces in there for the humor impaired! :)) On Tuesday, February 02, 1999 3:37 PM, Kirk Roy [SMTP:kirk@XXXXXX] wrote: > On that point, I'd like to see a lot of stop signs (most of them) switched > over to yield signs. It's my understanding that this works in many other > countries. Is America just too full of pricks for this to work? I can't > imagine that other countries have a significantly lower prick ratio... From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 2 15:52:41 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA18422 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 15:52:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta4.mcit.com (omta4.mcit.com [166.37.204.6]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id UAA19615; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 20:51:11 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta4.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990202205134.XLMO1406@toddnt>; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 14:51:34 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Kirk Roy" , "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Subject: RE: Left-Lane Slowpokes a Major Irritant Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 15:50:22 -0500 Message-ID: <001501be4eed$a6eb5990$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-reply-to: X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Actually, the pricks in Arlington do this now. They have a fair number of the Yield signs where you'd normally expect a Stop sign and it doesn't seem to cause anymore trouble. I wrote this one up with regard to a recent incident involving Glenn Dysart. I was in my car following him to his house (he in his car). We were tooling down Backlick Road (around 40mph) and this twit just blows through the stop sign from a right side street and immediately cuts Glenn off. I mean the guy was doing at LEAST 35mph through the sign. Mind you, Glenn is in the left of two lanes. It wasn't enough for the a-hole to cut him off, but he and his friend flipped Glenn off too! Pricks! Todd > > On Tue, 2 Feb 1999, Todd Peer wrote: > > - You come to a stop sign and; > > d) Stop, signal as the case may be, and proceed with caution. > > On that point, I'd like to see a lot of stop signs (most of them) switched > over to yield signs. It's my understanding that this works in many other > countries. Is America just too full of pricks for this to work? I can't > imagine that other countries have a significantly lower prick ratio... > > Kirk > From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 2 15:57:34 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net ([208.206.112.8]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA18493 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 15:57:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net [166.32.112.69] by tidalwave.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-4.07) id A56FD2013A; Tue, 02 Feb 1999 15:51:59 EST Message-ID: <36B766B7.B8F1F95B@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 15:57:27 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kirk Roy CC: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Left-Lane Slowpokes a Major Irritant References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kirk Roy wrote: > I can't > imagine that other countries have a significantly lower prick ratio... Oh, I can, easily. Everytime I hear stories about the German autobahn and how folks conscientiously move out of the way when approached from behind, I just drool. And yes, I try to move out of the passing lane (unless I'm passing somebody slower) when I'm overtaken from behind. Dale (Just doin' my part) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You'll know she loves you if she offers horkster@XXXXXX to let you ride her bike. Don't do it Dale City, Virginia and she'll love you even more." 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - "BugSlayer" VA Tag: BGSLYR 1998 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - No name, and no fancy tag either 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 - Ours - But mostly mine From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 2 15:59:17 1999 Return-Path: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA18503 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 15:59:10 -0500 (EST) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id D2GVPCMU; Tue, 02 Feb 1999 15:58:16 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Lap Blankets revisited Message-ID: <19990202.141224.5271.3.bike.dealer@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 12-14 From: Bikes R Us Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 15:58:16 EST A couple of Herndon motorcops came in today on their new FLH-Ps with their two-day-old Potomac Canvas lap blankets installed. They like them fine. The blankets do keep the heat in and the cold out. The only complaint was (the lack of) ease of installation and removal in order to wash the bike or whatever. Officer Friendly (the other one was a stone-face) showed me the attachment system, which is a relatively elaborate one, consisting of two-inch hook and loop straps running hither and thither under the blanket. Near the trailing edge (up against the rider's waist) is a wide strap of hook and loop which you are supposed to sit on to anchor the blanket and keep it from flapping, but Officer Friendly said it wasn't necessary. The blanket didn't flap anyway. Officer Stoneface only said one thing: "Five hundred and fifty bucks apiece." JohnDavid@Bikes R Us ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 2 16:01:53 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA18603 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 16:01:41 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id QAA14818; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 16:00:25 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma014474; Tue, 2 Feb 99 15:59:22 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F6J00340OZ8SR@XXXXXX>; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 15:59:32 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 8525670C.00730A4E ; Tue, 02 Feb 1999 15:56:32 -0500 Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 15:46:35 -0500 Subject: RE: Left-Lane Slowpokes a Major Irritant To: Todd Peer Cc: Chris Norloff , Ray , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <8525670C.00723671.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Todd Peer wrote: "- You are driving in the far right lane and a car is attempting to merge from an on-ramp. You KNOW he is trying, because he is accelerating to match traffic speed and his turn signal is blinking. You; a) Speed up to match him or block him. b) Grudgingly allow him to enter because your hunk of junk can't go any faster. c) Give him the bird as you blow past him. d) Either move over a lane, or slow to allow the merge." ____________ This is a trick question, as the correct answer is: e) Maintain your current speed and presume that the merging driver will obey the law and YIELD to traffic and find a space where he/she will fit. Not only is speeding up the wrong choice, but so is slowing down. It's not your responsibility to find a place in traffic for that merging car. It isn't really even "courteous", because it makes it harder for that person to judge traffic speed. It's often even worse to move over a lane to let them in because once you do so, you'll be violating the "left-lane slowpokes" rule and you'll inconvenience someone behind you in your new lane. That said, there sure are a lot of morons out there that will sit beside you in the merge lane and ignore the fact that their lane is ending. That is, until the last second, during which they'll obliviously swerve into your lane whether you're in their way or not. Every now and then, they'll realize they wasted the time they had to merge and will proceed to drive along the shoulder giving you dirty looks until you slow down to let them in. These jackasses are more of a risk to traffic safety than any joker sitting in the left lane doing 55 mph. I suppose d) might be more prudent, but it's not the correct answer if everyone's doing things correctly out there on the highway (when pigs fly). Chris Weaver ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. 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From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 2 16:14:32 1999 Return-Path: Jeannette_O'Brien@XXXXXX Received: from relay1.UU.NET (relay1.UU.NET [192.48.96.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA18778 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 16:14:29 -0500 (EST) From: Jeannette_O'Brien@XXXXXX Received: from 172.16.2.37 by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: user252.shawpittman.com [208.200.185.252]) id QQgawi09008; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 16:13:15 -0500 (EST) Received: by 172.16.2.37(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.3 (733.2 10-16-1998)) id 8525670C.0074E4AF ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 16:16:47 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SPPT To: Kirk Roy cc: DC-Cycles Mailing List Message-ID: <8525670C.0074E32C.00@172.16.2.37> Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 16:08:55 -0500 Subject: RE: Left-Lane Slowpokes a Major Irritant Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline I hate to say this, but I don't think it would work. How many people merging really yield nowadays anyway? Every single night getting off at my exit to George Mason Drive off of Route 50 I have to watch to make sure I'm not clipped by some moron who was supposed to yield to ME. - Jeannette Kirk Roy on 02/02/99 03:17:24 PM To: DC-Cycles Mailing List cc: (bcc: Jeannette O'Brien/SPPT/US) Subject: RE: Left-Lane Slowpokes a Major Irritant On Tue, 2 Feb 1999, Todd Peer wrote: > - You come to a stop sign and; > d) Stop, signal as the case may be, and proceed with caution. On that point, I'd like to see a lot of stop signs (most of them) switched over to yield signs. It's my understanding that this works in many other countries. Is America just too full of pricks for this to work? I can't imagine that other countries have a significantly lower prick ratio... Kirk From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 2 16:24:40 1999 Return-Path: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA18965 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 16:24:37 -0500 (EST) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo23.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id PEKAa07005; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 16:23:07 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 16:23:07 EST To: cnorloff@XXXXXX, raymondlucas@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Left-Lane Slowpokes a Major Irritant Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 when I was in Germany I had the pleasure of driving on the autobahn many times and the law there is very strict that you MUST stay to the right except for passing and that if, while you are passing (say a whole string of cars) , someone else comes behind you going even faster, that you MUST move to the right and let the faster vehicle pass - or speed up so you're going faster than the car behind you ... and while to those who supposedly "value their freedom" don't want anyonee telling them "what to do" probably think this sounds horrible - I am actually one of those people, and my experience with this strictness (and the fact that everyone FOLLOWS the rule) is the following: IT ROCKS there is no frustration driving, if you're speeding, people get out of your way, if you're not, you get out of their way ..... In a message dated 2/2/99 2:22:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, cnorloff@XXXXXX writes: > Personally, I think there's room for us all if people will share, but > there's not enough room if people want to hog "their part" of the road. From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 2 16:41:16 1999 Return-Path: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (imo28.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.72]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA19206 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 16:41:12 -0500 (EST) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo28.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 1XNCa23181; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 16:35:40 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3e830376.36b76fac@aol.com> Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 16:35:40 EST To: bike.dealer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Lap Blankets revisited Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 what about if the rider - god forbid - crashes and should be able to fall OFF the bike? is he/she then trapped and stuck to the bike by the blanket? In a message dated 2/2/99 4:13:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, bike.dealer@XXXXXX writes: > The only > complaint was (the lack of) ease of installation and removal in order to > wash the bike or whatever. From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 2 16:45:32 1999 Return-Path: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA19328 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 16:45:30 -0500 (EST) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.4]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA02294 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 16:45:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo14.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 2PMOa05506; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 16:32:49 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 16:32:49 EST To: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: International bike show pics Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 well ... they also try to get your name for their database .... etc .... I just don't like to help the gatherers of my personal information ...... for example - the DMV in Florida just sold all its drivers license pix to a private company ....if I were a citizen there I'd be wondering where my modelling fee is and why I never had to sign a model release form like anyone else who has their picture sold. marcy In a message dated 2/2/99 3:30:45 PM Eastern Standard Time, bike.dealer@XXXXXX writes: > Why not give up your zip code? It's not very personal information. It's > not like they're going to come to your house for anything. They ask for > zips so they can decide which zip ranges are best for mailing flyers to. > Or with bigger stores, it helps them decided where to build a new > location. I have an unlisted phone number and my social security number > is tough to pry out of me, but my zip code is share with thousands of > people. No big deal... From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 2 16:46:33 1999 Return-Path: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA19334 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 16:46:31 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id QAA09982; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 16:47:55 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma009683; Tue, 2 Feb 99 16:47:10 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F6J008SFR6VA7@XXXXXX>; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 16:47:19 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 8525670C.00776A6F ; Tue, 02 Feb 1999 16:44:20 -0500 Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 16:42:18 -0500 Subject: RE: Left-Lane Slowpokes a Major Irritant To: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Cc: Todd Peer , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <8525670C.0077006D.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Sorry Chris, but I don't agree with you here. Assuming that we are on motorcycles, here is what I do ... TAKE CONTROL! I prefer to make the decision for myself than leave it to other caging idiots. Step 1 Assume merging driver is an idiot and does not see you Step 2 Mirror and head checks Step 3 If clear, accelerate ~5mph while changing into the left lane. Step 4 Return to the right lane as soon as you are past the merge lane and traffic is clear. Keep in mind your ability to control the scenario through lane positioning, and the tremendous advantage bikes have in acceleration and braking. Using these to your advantage will increase your overall safety. Remember you may be right by staying put ... but that's little consolation if your dead. --chris PS. I assume by your comments, you have not yet had the pleasure of experiencing a cage INTENTIONALLY try to force you from your lane for no other reason then that they can? Most of us have at one time or another ... From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Date: 02/02/99 08:46:35 PM GMT Subject: RE: Left-Lane Slowpokes a Major Irritant Todd Peer wrote: "- You are driving in the far right lane and a car is attempting to merge from an on-ramp. You KNOW he is trying, because he is accelerating to match traffic speed and his turn signal is blinking. You; a) Speed up to match him or block him. b) Grudgingly allow him to enter because your hunk of junk can't go any faster. c) Give him the bird as you blow past him. d) Either move over a lane, or slow to allow the merge." ____________ This is a trick question, as the correct answer is: e) Maintain your current speed and presume that the merging driver will obey the law and YIELD to traffic and find a space where he/she will fit. Not only is speeding up the wrong choice, but so is slowing down. It's not your responsibility to find a place in traffic for that merging car. It isn't really even "courteous", because it makes it harder for that person to judge traffic speed. It's often even worse to move over a lane to let them in because once you do so, you'll be violating the "left-lane slowpokes" rule and you'll inconvenience someone behind you in your new lane. --snip-- ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 2 17:08:06 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA19662 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 17:08:00 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id RAA20377; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 17:09:07 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xmaa20208; Tue, 2 Feb 99 17:08:17 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F6J00F0NS5W6F@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 17:08:22 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 8525670C.00795713 ; Tue, 02 Feb 1999 17:05:21 -0500 Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 16:59:09 -0500 Subject: Motorcycle Insurance Revisited To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <8525670C.0078D946.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL I just got the following email from Bikeline. There still seems to be no rhyme or reason to how any company gives quotes to customers. Every company seems to give astronomical quotes to one person, then the following person gets a quote that wouldn't buy a Sally Struthers "Feed the Children" subscription. There doesn't seem to be much basis on customer specifics, either. I wish I could figure out what's going on here. Sheesh. Chris Weaver From: WWW Bikeline Thank you for responding to our On-line Quote form. We are pleased to provide you with a quote on your motorcycle insurance. The annual premium for the coverages you selected would be: Unit #1 1999 Honda CBR600 $1046 Unit #2 1999 Suzuki TL1000 $1339 ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 2 17:10:34 1999 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA19675 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 17:10:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA16672 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 17:10:16 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 17:10:12 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: BIKELINE Motorcycle Insurance (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Ok, Bikeline isn't universally good for insurance. They don't even beat Allstate for the Hawk GT insurance (although the Hawk isn't with them anymore either...). I do have 2 speeding tickets. Kirk ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 16:46:38 -0500 From: WWW Bikeline To: kirk@XXXXXX Subject: Motorcycle Insurance Thank you for responding to our On-line Quote form. We are pleased to provide you with a quote on your motorcycle insurance. The annual premium for the coverages you selected would be: Unit #1 1998 Honda VTR1000 $4258 Unit #2 1988 Honda NT650 $497 Feel free to call 1-800-236-2453 and reference quote number 88475. Any of our Customer Service Representatives can help you. We have also mailed you a hard copy of this quotaton. Thank you, Bikeline Motorcycle Insurance Markel American Insurance Company Rated "A" by A.M. Best markelcorp.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 2 17:23:34 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA19951 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 17:23:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com (ndcrelay2.mcit.com [166.37.172.6]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA04430 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 17:23:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta4.mcit.com (omta4.mcit.com [166.37.204.6]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id WAA29527; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 22:20:03 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta4.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990202222259.YAMQ1406@toddnt>; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 16:22:59 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: , Cc: Subject: RE: International bike show pics Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 17:21:46 -0500 Message-ID: <002101be4efa$6b6404a0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-reply-to: X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal The fact that you can't point to some malicious intent with regard to the sale of photographs, is a surefire sign that the conspiracy is working. I hear Montana still has a few cheap plots of land for sale if you feel the need to hole-up somewhere. ;-) Todd fwiw, I don't like to volunteer the information either. But let's face it, unless you're a hermit or wanderer all your stats are out 'there' for anyone with the tenacity to discover it. > > well ... they also try to get your name for their database .... etc .... I > just don't like to help the gatherers of my personal information > ...... for > example - the DMV in Florida just sold all its drivers license pix to a > private company ....if I were a citizen there I'd be wondering where my > modelling fee is and why I never had to sign a model release form > like anyone > else who has their picture sold. > > marcy From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 2 17:39:39 1999 Return-Path: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA20211 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 17:39:02 -0500 (EST) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id D2G3DF87; Tue, 02 Feb 1999 17:37:44 EST To: Horkster@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Left-Lane Slowpokes a Major Irritant Message-ID: <19990202.153327.8247.0.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: <36B766B7.B8F1F95B@XXXXXX> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 6-9,12-25 From: Bikes R Us Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 17:37:44 EST I've found that all you have to do to get someone to move out of the left lane and let you pass is to drive out of MD or VA. In PA, five minutes from the MD state line, people around you tend to drive politely. If you happen to get into a "situation" with another driver, he'll usually have MD or VA plates. This happens until you get too close to the cities in NJ or NY. I think it has something to do with population density. The more open the country, the more friendly the drivers are. Driving south, people tend to ease up once you get past Richmond. Me? I like to stay in the left lane because I'm usually driving a little faster than anyone else. I'll move over if you come hauling up behind me, but I'd better get "the little wave..." One man's opinion... JohnDavid@Bikes R Us On Tue, 02 Feb 1999 15:57:27 -0500 Dale Horstman writes: >Oh, I can, easily. Everytime I hear stories about the German >autobahn and how folks conscientiously move out of the way when >approached from behind, I just drool. > >And yes, I try to move out of the passing lane (unless I'm >passing somebody slower) when I'm overtaken from behind. ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 2 17:39:10 1999 Return-Path: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA20212 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 17:39:08 -0500 (EST) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id D2G3DHAW; Tue, 02 Feb 1999 17:37:45 EST To: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Lap Blankets revisited Message-ID: <19990202.153328.8247.2.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: <3e830376.36b76fac@aol.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 5-10,12 From: Bikes R Us Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 17:37:45 EST I guess I didn't explain it very well. The rider doesn't have his legs through the big loop of velcro (like a sling). That would make it real hard NOT to be stuck to the bike. Frankly, I'm not sure exactly how it was supposed to work, but if it was me, I'd stuff an end of the strap under each leg. The blanket would "release" as soon as you lifted your leg up. JohnDavid@Bikes R Us On Tue, 2 Feb 1999 16:35:40 EST JinnSinn@XXXXXX writes: >what about if the rider - god forbid - crashes and should be able to >fall OFF the bike? is he/she then trapped and stuck to the bike by the blanket? ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 2 17:53:53 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA20464 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 17:53:50 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id RAA12357; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 17:55:11 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma011958; Tue, 2 Feb 99 17:53:33 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F6J00KFBU9K6H@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 17:53:44 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 8525670C.007D7E89 ; Tue, 02 Feb 1999 17:50:43 -0500 Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 17:08:32 -0500 Subject: RE: Left-Lane Slowpokes a Major Irritant To: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <8525670C.0079B7CF.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Chris Meier wrote: ... Remember you may be right by staying put ... but that's little consolation if your dead. PS. I assume by your comments, you have not yet had the pleasure of experiencing a cage INTENTIONALLY try to force you from your lane for no other reason then that they can? Most of us have at one time or another ... You're right. The safe thing to do is not necessarily the lawful thing to do. I fully realize this. I just wish I COULD rely on the legally correct method, but the hosers out there on the road won't agree to this. You'll notice that's why I said "when pigs fly" in my post. As for intentionally being forced from my lane on a motorcycle, you're right there too. I haven't been riding long enough I guess, but I'm sure it will happen eventually. Chris Weaver ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. 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From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 2 17:57:48 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA20520 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 17:57:44 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id RAA14465; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 17:59:08 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xmaa14197; Tue, 2 Feb 99 17:58:31 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F6J00L5QUEWOC@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 17:58:41 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 8525670C.007DC7C7 ; Tue, 02 Feb 1999 17:53:51 -0500 Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 17:47:02 -0500 Subject: Hilarious Shareware Dirtbike Game To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <8525670C.007D4A1E.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Hey all; Go to http://members.aol.com/bradquick/ and download a really fun and funny shareware dirtbike game. It's a hoot! Chris Weaver ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 2 18:10:01 1999 Return-Path: ljtanner@XXXXXX Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA20695 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 18:09:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from LJTanner (207-172-183-21.s21.tnt20.brd.erols.com [207.172.183.21]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA04613 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 18:10:19 -0500 (EST) From: "Linda Tanner" To: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: RE: Lap Blankets revisited Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 18:09:38 -0500 Message-ID: <006501be4f01$1b3e9380$3821accf@LJTanner.arl.mci.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 In-reply-to: <19990202.141224.5271.3.bike.dealer@juno.com> Importance: Normal I feel a second career coming on. I'm sure I could fabricate one of the babies for a lot less than $550 and still make a decent profit. Except I'd have to buy one first to find out how they work :-( LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze (52K miles and counting) http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ -----Original Message----- From: Bikes R Us [mailto:bike.dealer@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 1999 3:58 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Lap Blankets revisited A couple of Herndon motorcops came in today on their new FLH-Ps with their two-day-old Potomac Canvas lap blankets installed. They like them fine. The blankets do keep the heat in and the cold out. The only complaint was (the lack of) ease of installation and removal in order to wash the bike or whatever. Officer Friendly (the other one was a stone-face) showed me the attachment system, which is a relatively elaborate one, consisting of two-inch hook and loop straps running hither and thither under the blanket. Near the trailing edge (up against the rider's waist) is a wide strap of hook and loop which you are supposed to sit on to anchor the blanket and keep it from flapping, but Officer Friendly said it wasn't necessary. The blanket didn't flap anyway. Officer Stoneface only said one thing: "Five hundred and fifty bucks apiece." JohnDavid@Bikes R Us ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 2 18:24:12 1999 Return-Path: gixer@XXXXXX Received: from smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA20961 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 18:24:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-49-174.s174.tnt14.ann.erols.com [207.172.49.174]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with ESMTP id SAA23966 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 18:23:54 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36B78FDC.78B463DC@geocities.com> Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 18:53:00 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Left-Lane Slowpokes a Major Irritant References: <8525670C.0079B7CF.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX wrote: but the hosers out there on the road won't agree to this. Is that "hosers" or "hoseurs"??? ;-) he he he... I couldn't resist -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LT, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ (racing page) From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 2 19:28:49 1999 Return-Path: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.9]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA21832 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 19:28:48 -0500 (EST) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo19.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 0YNOa20089; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 19:13:50 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: <9f126174.36b794be@aol.com> Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 19:13:50 EST To: ljtanner@XXXXXX, DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Lap Blankets revisited Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 you could probablky also make them easier to use :D and therefore make a killing :D Marcy In a message dated 2/2/99 6:21:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, ljtanner@XXXXXX writes: > I'm sure I could fabricate one of the > babies for a lot less than $550 and still make a decent profit. Except I'd > have to buy one first to find out how they work :-( From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 2 19:51:43 1999 Return-Path: sdave@XXXXXX Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA22288 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 19:51:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from radix.net (burnppp119.nih.gov [156.40.65.119]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA29653; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 19:51:33 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36B79C9B.621F68C4@radix.net> Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 19:47:23 -0500 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Left-Lane Slowpokes a Major Irritant References: <8525670C.0079B7CF.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit FWIW, My MSF instructor ( forget his name ) basically advocated 'when in doubt, gas it. If you're on anything 750cc's or better, you can out accelerate ANY car, & if they're behind you, they are of statistically negligible danger to you. ' I've found this to be pretty useful. I understand, just as he taught me there is risk in violating the law sometimes, but I can live with a ticket, it's tougher to live when the moron cager runs you over - also picked up that gem of wisdom from the MSF instructor. Dave Yates '90 ZX 11 http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX wrote: > Chris Meier wrote: > ... > Remember you may be right by staying put ... but that's little consolation > if your dead. From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 2 19:52:15 1999 Return-Path: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (imo25.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.69]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA22308 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 19:52:12 -0500 (EST) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo25.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id EILKa20271; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 19:46:20 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: <66ca9397.36b79c5c@aol.com> Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 19:46:20 EST To: cfagan@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: International bike show pics Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 In a message dated 2/2/99 10:15:37 AM Eastern Standard Time, cfagan@XXXXXX writes: << I scanned the pics that Scooter took at the bike show and posted them for all to see...Notoriously missing from Scooter's pics were pictures of the R7, the AWESOME trials demos, Fogarty's WSB Ducati, a whole line up of extremely nice vintage bikes, and of course the Factory Dancers.... you'll have to suffice with the Bud Girls, who were just so-so. What he gave me I scanned. >> Thanks Collin. I'll do better next show. I Promise. hehe Scooter From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 2 20:22:55 1999 Return-Path: berman@XXXXXX Received: from min.net (berman@XXXXXX [208.222.210.19]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA22783 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 20:22:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (berman@localhost) by min.net (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA12478 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 20:22:50 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 20:22:49 -0500 (EST) From: Morris Berman To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: BIKELINE Motorcycle Insurance (fwd) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I second Kirk's experience...they wanted over 1300 for my GPz. State farm writes it for aobut $700. -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, berman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 2 20:29:05 1999 Return-Path: berman@XXXXXX Received: from min.net (berman@XXXXXX [208.222.210.19]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA22850 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 20:29:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (berman@localhost) by min.net (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA12934 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 20:29:01 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 20:29:01 -0500 (EST) From: Morris Berman To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Lap Blankets revisited In-Reply-To: <19990202.153328.8247.2.bike.dealer@juno.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 2 Feb 1999, Bikes R Us wrote: ....stuff deleted... > under each leg. The blanket would "release" as soon as you lifted your > leg up. > I, personally, would be very upset if someone lifted their leg on MY bike!!! -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, berman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 2 20:32:00 1999 Return-Path: berman@XXXXXX Received: from min.net (berman@XXXXXX [208.222.210.19]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA22929 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 20:31:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (berman@localhost) by min.net (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA13181 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 20:31:57 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 20:31:57 -0500 (EST) From: Morris Berman To: DC Cycles Subject: Saturday Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I don't know what the weather forecast is but... 1.) My wife will be out of town 2.) My GPz lives again 3.) I haven't been on a "ride" in quite some time. Anyone else up for something? -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, berman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 2 21:04:11 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA23512 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 21:04:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA16532 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 21:03:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.20]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Tue, 02 Feb 1999 21:00:01 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: , "Chris Norloff" Cc: "Fagan, Collin LT" , "'dc'" Subject: RE: International bike show pics Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 21:05:44 -0500 Message-ID: <012c01be4f19$b52db1c0$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: <8525670C.005D0C86.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal First you must buy us.... "A SHRUBBERY!" ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" > -----Original Message----- > From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX > [mailto:christopher.meier@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 1999 11:59 AM > To: Chris Norloff > Cc: Fagan, Collin LT; 'dc' > Subject: Re: International bike show pics > > > Yeah ... I went ahead and answered them all and I am still only a "guest" > of the group. How does one become a full member? Swallow a > goldfish? Get > hit on the ass with a paddle? > > What gives? > --chris > > To: "Fagan, Collin LT" , 'dc' > > cc: > From: Chris Norloff > Date: 02/02/99 03:41:49 PM GMT > Subject: Re: International bike show pics > > > > > At 10:04 AM 2/2/99 , Fagan, Collin LT wrote: > >Posted to the yahoo club photo section : > >http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/dcareariders > >or for those that think answering three questions to create a log in is > too > >complicated, I also posted them on the ftp server Mike T. set up at: > >ftp://ftp.wheatintl.com/incoming/dc-cycles/NYC-bike_show/ > > > Three questions for Yahoo? I put in what I thought was a reasonable > minimum, and they said: > Please specify a Secret Answer. > You didn't specify a valid Year for your birthday. > Please specify your Gender. > Please specify an Occupation. > Please specify your Industry. > Please specify a Zip or Postal Code. > > But thanks for putting the pictures on the web. > > tired of being a data point, > Chris Norloff > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to > which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged > material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or > taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or > entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If > you received > this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any > computer. > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 2 21:11:37 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA23610 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 21:11:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA07208 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 21:11:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo24.mx.aol.com (known imo24.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.68]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA04372 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 21:11:13 -0500 (EST) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo24.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id NMOVa03482; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 20:59:31 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 20:59:31 EST To: tl1000s@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Feb 12, Baltimore Motorcycle Show. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 224 Anyone going? Im going, but taking the car, bike is still down and out. Sean... From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 2 21:18:30 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA23790 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 21:18:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.20]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Tue, 02 Feb 1999 21:09:25 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "Kirk Roy" , "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Subject: RE: BIKELINE Motorcycle Insurance (fwd) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 21:15:10 -0500 Message-ID: <012d01be4f1b$067206c0$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal My reply concerning insurance is close enough that I have to pull out my old statements and see to the dollar how much I am currently paying State Farm. When I'm that close, I gotta wonder if it's not better to stick with the company I know. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 2 21:30:31 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA24013 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 21:30:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA07396 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 21:30:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (known imo25.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.69]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA05596 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 21:30:13 -0500 (EST) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo25.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id EQELa20321; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 21:24:23 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: <8609a08b.36b7b357@aol.com> Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 21:24:23 EST To: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX, tl1000s@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Feb 12, Baltimore Motorcycle Show. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 In a message dated 2/2/99 9:18:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX writes: << Anyone going? Im going, but taking the car, bike is still down and out. Sean... >> Would like to but....new job=no days off for awhile. Maybe next time. And I promise not to run into you. :-) Take pics. Scooter From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 2 21:51:12 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA24325 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 21:51:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from ringding.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.126.2]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA07571 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 21:51:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from send201.yahoomail.com (known send201.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.125]) by ringding.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA14620 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 21:51:03 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990203025005.19157.rocketmail@send201.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.30.31.164] by send201.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 02 Feb 1999 18:50:05 PST Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 18:50:05 -0800 (PST) From: Ray Subject: Re: Feb 12, Baltimore Motorcycle Show. To: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'm there. Is there a plan to meet somewhere before? Anyone familiar with the area that knows a good place for pizza or whatever? Ray ---CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX wrote: > > Anyone going? Im going, but taking the car, bike is still down and out. > > Sean... > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 2 22:04:52 1999 Return-Path: true911@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.157]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA24464 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 22:04:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from mygamer (client-151-196-110-22.bellatlantic.net [151.196.110.22]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id WAA02972; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 22:06:27 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199902030306.WAA02972@smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: true911@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 22:00:21 -0500 To: Morris Berman , DC Cycles From: "Mark E. Truelove" Subject: Re: Saturday In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable A party? :) MET At 08:31 PM 2/2/99 , Morris Berman wrote: >I don't know what the weather forecast is but... > 1.) My wife will be out of town > 2.) My GPz lives again > 3.) I haven't been on a "ride" in quite some time. > >Anyone else up for something? > >-Mb ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark E. Truelove (true@XXXXXX)=A0= http://members.bellatlantic.net/~true911/ 1992 VFR750 (The Crow)=A0=A0=A0 1985 VF500 ('Kitty)=A0=A0=A0 1972 CB350 (In= Hibernation) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 2 22:54:27 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA25175 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 22:54:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA08233 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 22:54:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (known saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA09017 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 22:54:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from server1.illuminet.net (root@XXXXXX [205.215.54.51]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA11042 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 22:54:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrider.illuminet.net (cust027.quantico.illuminet.net [209.44.72.27]) by server1.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA18945 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 22:56:07 -0500 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19990203034712.006cb7b8@illuminet.net> X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 22:47:12 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Saturday Crotona Midnight Run! Even if it snows, we go! Leon. At 08:31 PM 2/2/99 -0500, you wrote: >I don't know what the weather forecast is but... > 1.) My wife will be out of town > 2.) My GPz lives again > 3.) I haven't been on a "ride" in quite some time. > >Anyone else up for something? > >-Mb > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Morris Berman, berman@XXXXXX >'96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. > > Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to > cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 2 23:44:06 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA25819 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 23:44:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA08747 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 23:44:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (known thehub.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA10176 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 23:43:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-6.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.47]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA13171 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 23:43:56 -0500 Message-ID: <000d01be4f2f$62544660$3e10b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: Subject: Re: Insurance - WTF??? (another rant) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 23:40:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2120.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 I've unearthed only two companies that write motorcycle-only in DC -- Geico and Markel (Bikeline). As the pothole problems, police, and public servants are upgraded this will very hopefully change as insurers become aware of the many fine DC riders. Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 --> Need Insurance for blind-wheelchair-drivers risk Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. -----Original Message----- From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX >OK c'mon - am I the ONLY person living in DC and insuring their motorcycle in >DC? I know I should "live" in VA or MD for insurance purposes but I'm a big >chicken. Does anyone - anywhere know a cheaper way to get insurance in the >District than with Allstate? I called a LOT of companies and most won't insure >in DC at all. > >Marcy *sending the evil eye to insurance companies everywhere* > >p.s. although I have to admit when I had a claim with Allstate I got my >money's worth! They were extremely service oriented and paid up for damages >promptly, with no argument, and in full. and paid for most of a rental car for >me while the bike was in the shop ... > From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 2 23:46:14 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA25900 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 23:46:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA08763 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 23:46:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo26.mx.aol.com (known imo26.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.70]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA10350 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 23:46:06 -0500 (EST) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo26.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 8PTLa00804 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 23:44:16 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 23:44:16 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Feb 12, Baltimore Motorcycle Show. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 224 In a message dated 2/2/99 10:37:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, raymondlucas@XXXXXX writes: << I'm there. Is there a plan to meet somewhere before? Anyone familiar with the area that knows a good place for pizza or whatever? Ray >> It is at the convention center which is right in the middle of it all, so there is the whole inner harbour place with all kinds of restaurants in it... including hooters! maybe wings sound a little better? If enough people are going maybe we can all meet. Sean... From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 3 00:38:59 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA26578 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 00:38:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA10422 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 00:38:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp4.erols.com (known smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA11645 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 00:38:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-49-174.s174.tnt14.ann.erols.com [207.172.49.174]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with ESMTP id AAA19205 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 00:38:52 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36B7E7EC.C6B9A1F0@geocities.com> Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 01:08:44 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Feb 12, Baltimore Motorcycle Show. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The scenery is nice at Hooter's and all that, but their so called hot wings jsut don't measure up. As compared to my "mild/medium hot" wings that the other superbowl partyers can vouch for. What was it you said John K.? Those are some beer drinkin wings or something like that ;-) CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX wrote: >with all kinds of restaurants in it... > including hooters! maybe wings sound a little better? > If enough people are going maybe we can all meet. -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LT, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ (racing page) From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 3 06:58:10 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA02827 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 06:58:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA14052 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 06:58:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from send202.yahoomail.com (known send202.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.126]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA16701 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 06:58:03 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990203115525.18709.rocketmail@send202.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.30.31.90] by send202.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 03 Feb 1999 03:55:25 PST Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 03:55:25 -0800 (PST) From: Ray Subject: Re: Feb 12, Baltimore Motorcycle Show. To: "Collin T. Fagan \(cfagan@XXXXXX\)" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Let's get real, Collin. Nobody really goes to Hooters for the wings. That's an excuse they convince themselves with. The only reason to go to Hooters is the scenery. ---"Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" wrote: > > The scenery is nice at Hooter's and all that, but their so called hot > wings jsut don't measure up. As compared to my "mild/medium hot" wings > that the other superbowl partyers can vouch for. > > What was it you said John K.? Those are some beer drinkin wings or > something like that ;-) > > CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX wrote: > > >with all kinds of restaurants in it... > > including hooters! maybe wings sound a little better? > > If enough people are going maybe we can all meet. > > -- > _________________________________________ > Collin and Penny Fagan > LT, U.S. Coast Guard > (202) 366-0067 (work) > (703) 356-4279 (home) > ICQ UIN: 435732 > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ > (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ > (racing page) > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 3 07:17:48 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail04.usace.army.mil (mcxmail04.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.222]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA03092 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 07:17:46 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199902031217.HAA03092@meretrix.com> Received: by mcxmail04.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id <1FYCLPBP>; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 04:17:33 -0800 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Feb 12, Baltimore Motorcycle Show. Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 04:16:38 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) I don't see the point.. mild food, so-so beer and a bunch of women who are definatly silicone based life-forms.. About the show.. if noone's gone before.. and you made it to the NYC show.. they don't compair. Baltimores tends to be overrun by HD stuff.. with the little else split between vintage (which is cool in it's own way) and squid-boy stuff like polishing and custom paint-jobs. I got in for free and though it was a waste of money (I had to drive up there) last year.. Just don't expect a whole lot... Brian > > Let's get real, Collin. Nobody really goes to Hooters for the wings. > That's an excuse they convince themselves with. The only reason to go > to Hooters is the scenery. > From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 3 07:18:36 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA03102 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 07:18:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA14290 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 07:18:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (known saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA16981 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 07:18:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from min.net (root@XXXXXX [208.222.210.19]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA14176 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 07:18:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from hamilton.arl.mil (hamilton.arl.mil [131.218.195.67]) by min.net (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA19897; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 07:18:22 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 07:15:37 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: Morris Berman To: Leon Begeman cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Saturday In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19990203034712.006cb7b8@illuminet.net> Message-ID: X-X-Sender: berman@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Huh? Where is Crotona? -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, berman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL(DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C)#446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams On Tue, 2 Feb 1999, Leon Begeman wrote: > Crotona Midnight Run! Even if it snows, we go! > > Leon. > > At 08:31 PM 2/2/99 -0500, you wrote: > >I don't know what the weather forecast is but... > > 1.) My wife will be out of town > > 2.) My GPz lives again > > 3.) I haven't been on a "ride" in quite some time. > > > >Anyone else up for something? > > > >-Mb > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Morris Berman, berman@XXXXXX > >'96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. > > > > Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to > > cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams > > > > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 3 07:37:36 1999 Return-Path: Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA03356 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 07:37:35 -0500 (EST) Received: by dadc012.hqda.pentagon.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id <1CYY8K02>; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 07:36:21 -0500 Message-ID: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46F0130B8@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Left-Lane Slowpokes a Major Irritant Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 07:36:26 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) What's "the little wave"? Glenn > Me? I like to stay in the left lane because I'm usually driving a little > faster than anyone else. I'll move over if you come hauling up behind me, > but I'd better get "the little wave..." > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 3 07:43:27 1999 Return-Path: rcrishock@XXXXXX Received: from alms1.fw.att.com (alms1.att.com [192.128.167.146]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA03413 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 07:43:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from dcn73.dcn.att.com ([135.44.68.33]) by alms1.fw.att.com (AT&T/IPNS/GW-1.0) with SMTP id HAA11075 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 07:42:52 -0500 (EST) Received: by dcn73.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BE4F48.C6DAF2F0@XXXXXX>; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 07:42:40 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Crishock, Richard" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: Helmets and visors and tabs Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 07:42:39 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does the MSF really say to hold the clutch in at red lights? Hmmmm. Maybe I need to go take that course. There must be a really good reason, or they wouldn't be teaching it. I was taught (by friends, when Blondie was cool the first time around) to put it in neutral when at a red light. There were 2 reasons for this; 1. if you are holding the clutch in, and the cable breaks, you could go lurching out into traffic (hydrawlicks? whut's that?), and 2. there is a bearing (sometimes a bush on old Brit iron) behind the clutch basket that wears out if you continually hold the clutch in like that. So maybe that's why the visor tab is on the left. It never seemed unnatural to me, sitting there in neutral, holding the front brake, both feet on the ground. Rich '78 Triumph Bonneville Scowling Street Terrors #78 Sterling, VA USA P.S. What's a head check? Is it something to do with Monica? From: Clayptlabs@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 21:19:45 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Helmets Before you even think about flaming.... this is not an attempt to cause a fight. These are honest questions. I just bought a Shoei RF-800. This is my first fullface as I am a Harley rider that has always had a 1/2 helmet. So just don't lecture me. What i am curious about is a couple things. #1, why is the little tab that you lift the visor with only on the left side? When I stop at a light and need to lift it, my left hand is holding the clutch in, as in the MSF class. So I have to reach across? Why? #2, similarly the little lever used to crack the visor is on the left too? #3, is there any tint that can be put on or in the visor, similar to the tint at the top of a car's windshield? It seems as though the top edge of the helmet is further back than what i am used to with the 1/2 helmet. On an observation too, I find that when I do a head check, the helmet hits my shoulder. I suspect with a forward riding position, this would not be the case, but is proving to be kind of annoying. Any tips? Can visors be purchased with tabs on both sides? If it was going to be on only one side why not the right? Dave in Manassas aka SOOOEY From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 3 08:01:35 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA03676 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 08:01:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA14765 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 08:01:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from animal.DINFOS.OSD.MIL (known [199.122.55.11] [199.122.55.11]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA17655 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 08:01:29 -0500 (EST) Received: by ANIMAL.dinfos.osd.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 08:01:28 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO" To: "'Crishock, Richard'" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Helmets and visors and tabs Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 08:01:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain The reason for holding the clutch in (and being in first gear) is quicker reaction time if something "fishy" begins at the intersection. The way my MSF instructor put it, many cagers claim they don't see a motorcycle until it's too late to stop. If you're in first gear and watching your mirrors as the vehicle behind you approaches, you can quickly get out of the way. I think that's right. If not, the more experienced riders will chime in soon. Mitch -----Original Message----- From: Crishock, Richard [mailto:rcrishock@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 1999 7:43 AM To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' Subject: Re: Helmets and visors and tabs Does the MSF really say to hold the clutch in at red lights? Hmmmm. From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 3 08:14:36 1999 Return-Path: louis@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out.vma.verio.net (smtp-out.vma.verio.net [168.143.190.239]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA03820 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 08:14:35 -0500 (EST) From: louis@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-gw.vma.verio.net ([168.143.0.18]) by smtp-out.vma.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 108282-0001Gi-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 08:14:02 -0500 Received: from shell.clark.net (clark.net [168.143.0.8]) by smtp-gw.vma.verio.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id IAA08053 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 08:14:36 -0500 (EST) Received: (from louis@localhost) by shell.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA11481 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 08:14:32 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199902031314.IAA11481@shell.clark.net> Subject: Re: Helmets and visors and tabs To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 08:14:32 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text > Does the MSF really say to hold the clutch in at red lights? Hmmmm. When I teach, I tell 'em to keep it in first gear and keep an eye on the mirrors. (note, keep an eye does not mean stare in the mirrors and ignore all other traffic). If there is a soccer-mom coming up behind me who is paying more attention to the kids fighting in the back seat than to the fact that I'm stopped at the light, I want to be ready to GET OUT OF THE WAY. If you need a second or two to get into first gear, then to get moving... might not be enough time. Now if I know I'll be stopped for a bit (long light, presidential motorcade, highway shut down, etc. [all of which I've experienced]) then after two cars have stopped behind me, then I'll put it in Neutral. Let the cars act as a buffer. :-) > Maybe I need to go take that course. If you haven't taken it, it's always a good thing to take. You can even get a discount on your insurance. > There must be a really good reason, or they wouldn't be teaching it. > I was taught (by friends, when Blondie was cool the first time around) The Hurt Report states that motorcycle operators who were taught by friends are more likely to be in accidents. Granted this is an old study. I'd like to see a new one now, since the MSF is now teaching in (46? 48?) states. > P.S. What's a head check? Is it something to do with Monica? I hope that was just bait.... Just in case it wasn't, a head check refers to turning your head (and not just your eyes) to look for traffic. If you attend an MSF course, you'll hear a LOT about head checks. Many, many students seem to have rusty necks that just won't turn. :-) Louis ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Louis Caplan | DoD #1754 AMA #269779 | www.clark.net/~louis/cycle.htm Alexandria, VA | COG #2894 VCOM | 7th Place, Capitol 1000 louis@XXXXXX | '98 Kawasaki Concours | Mean Green Scream Machine From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 3 08:49:10 1999 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA04289 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 08:49:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from mscex.mailteam.uscg.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA28622 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 08:26:50 -0500 (EST) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 08:51:18 -0500 Message-ID: <904D6E6114A7D211ACCD006008A37EBD032B02@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LT" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Feb 12, Baltimore Motorcycle Show. Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 08:51:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain I have to agree with the Brain. I've only been to Hooter's once, down in Miami. I was less than impressed with the scenery and the food wasn't all that for the money. Not intending general offense to the women on the list.... I can find nice looking women to admire all over the place...good food on the other hand is harder to find ;-) Collin (Who's definitely not a big boob fan...) On Wednesday, February 03, 1999 8:17 AM, McCoy, Brian NAB02 [SMTP:Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX] wrote: > I don't see the point.. mild food, so-so beer and a bunch of women who are > definatly silicone based life-forms.. Ray wrote: > > Let's get real, Collin. Nobody really goes to Hooters for the wings. > > That's an excuse they convince themselves with. The only reason to go > > to Hooters is the scenery. > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 3 09:01:05 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA04478 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 09:01:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id A69D3170368; Wed, 03 Feb 1999 09:01:01 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990203085242.0100b740@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 08:53:20 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Left-Lane Slowpokes a Major Irritant In-Reply-To: <8525670C.0077006D.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 04:42 PM 2/2/99 , christopher.meier@XXXXXX wrote: >Assuming that we are on motorcycles, here is what I do ... TAKE CONTROL! I >prefer to make the decision for myself than leave it to other caging >idiots. > >Step 1 Assume merging driver is an idiot and does not see you >Step 2 Mirror and head checks >Step 3 If clear, accelerate ~5mph while changing into the left lane. >Step 4 Return to the right lane as soon as you are past the merge lane >and traffic is clear. I'm with you on this one, Chris. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 3 09:01:07 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA04482 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 09:01:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id A69F3170368; Wed, 03 Feb 1999 09:01:03 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990203085651.00fe60e0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 08:59:50 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Left-Lane Slowpokes a Major Irritant In-Reply-To: <36B79C9B.621F68C4@radix.net> References: <8525670C.0079B7CF.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 07:47 PM 2/2/99 , Dave Yates wrote: > My MSF instructor ( forget his name ) basically advocated 'when in doubt, gas >it. If you're on anything 750cc's or better, you can out accelerate ANY car, & >if they're behind you, they are of statistically negligible danger to you. ' That's not part of the MSF curriculum, so he was speaking on his own there. Accelerating can be a good escape maneuver in many cases, but the increased speed can also put you in danger ahead by reducing the time and space you have to react. Anticipating conditions and reading traffic is the best to avoid a situation to begin with. Adjust speed and position and speed as necessary. Then using braking, swerving and/or accelerating to avoid the hazard if you've messed up and allowed a hazardous situation to develop. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 3 09:01:06 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA04479 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 09:01:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id A69E3170368; Wed, 03 Feb 1999 09:01:02 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990203085456.00fe8d60@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 08:56:21 -0500 To: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Left-Lane Slowpokes a Major Irritant In-Reply-To: <36B78FDC.78B463DC@geocities.com> References: <8525670C.0079B7CF.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 06:53 PM 2/2/99 , Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX) wrote: >christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX wrote: >but the hosers out there on the road won't agree to this. > >Is that "hosers" or "hoseurs"??? ;-) > >he he he... I couldn't resist Well, let's see ... "hoser" would be one who hoses. "Hoseur" would be one who affects a hose-like attitude without the necessary equipment or skills. :-) Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 3 09:01:13 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA04486 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 09:01:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id A6A23170368; Wed, 03 Feb 1999 09:01:06 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990203090429.018a3620@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 09:07:50 -0500 To: "Crishock, Richard" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Helmets and visors and tabs In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 07:42 AM 2/3/99 , Crishock, Richard wrote: > >Does the MSF really say to hold the clutch in at red lights? Hmmmm. >Maybe I need to go take that course. There must be a really good >reason, or they wouldn't be teaching it. I was taught (by friends, when >Blondie was cool the first time around) to put it in neutral when at a >red light. There were 2 reasons for this; 1. if you are holding the >clutch in, and the cable breaks, you could go lurching out into traffic >(hydrawlicks? whut's that?), and 2. there is a bearing (sometimes a >bush on old Brit iron) behind the clutch basket that wears out if you >continually hold the clutch in like that. Yes, staying in gear with the clutch in at a red light is a good way to get out of the way if some incompetent cager comes up behind you too fast. Ask Marcy, who was recently hit this way. The chance of a clutch cable breaking is not a good reason to place yourself in harm's way - but do check the cable regularly. The most common failure is where the ball end is attached to the cable, right where the cable goes into the clutch lever. Don't worry about the throwout bearing wearing out from sitting with the clutch in. I've never even heard of that happening to bikes, but it may be something related to older bikes. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 3 09:01:12 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA04488 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 09:01:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA15616 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 09:01:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA19050 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 09:01:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id A6A13170368; Wed, 03 Feb 1999 09:01:05 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990203090212.018a11a0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 09:03:49 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Feb 12, Baltimore Motorcycle Show. In-Reply-To: <19990203115525.18709.rocketmail@send202.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 06:55 AM 2/3/99 , Ray wrote: >Let's get real, Collin. Nobody really goes to Hooters for the wings. >That's an excuse they convince themselves with. The only reason to go >to Hooters is the scenery. Friend of a friend was getting the "how-to" of working there. She was told "You know how ladies bend at the knees to pick something up off the floor?" She said "Yes." They said, "Don't do that." Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 3 09:24:31 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA04844 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 09:24:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA15894 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 09:24:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (known omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA19658 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 09:24:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta4.mcit.com (omta4.mcit.com [166.37.204.6]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id NAA26009; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 13:22:48 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta4.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990203142329.CIE1406@toddnt>; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 08:23:29 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: , , Subject: RE: Feb 12, Baltimore Motorcycle Show. Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 09:22:20 -0500 Message-ID: <001001be4f80$9c17db90$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-reply-to: X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal I'll probably go, although I feel like I just saw this show in NYC. Whatever. Gives me an opportunity to stop by the Baltimore Brewing Co. and fill up my Growler(sp). T > -----Original Message----- > From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX [mailto:CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 1999 9:00 PM > To: tl1000s@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Feb 12, Baltimore Motorcycle Show. > > > Anyone going? Im going, but taking the car, bike is still down and out. > > Sean... > From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 3 09:24:32 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA04845 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 09:24:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA15896 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 09:24:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com (known ndcrelay2.mcit.com [166.37.172.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA19661 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 09:24:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta4.mcit.com (omta4.mcit.com [166.37.204.6]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id OAA16659; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 14:20:34 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta4.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990203142330.CIK1406@toddnt>; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 08:23:30 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: , , , Subject: RE: Feb 12, Baltimore Motorcycle Show. Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 09:22:21 -0500 Message-ID: <001101be4f80$9cb52d00$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-reply-to: <8609a08b.36b7b357@aol.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal The show is a weekend event, starting on Friday > -----Original Message----- > From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX [mailto:ScooterFZR@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 1999 9:24 PM > To: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX; tl1000s@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Feb 12, Baltimore Motorcycle Show. > > > In a message dated 2/2/99 9:18:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, > CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX > writes: > > << Anyone going? Im going, but taking the car, bike is still down > and out. > > Sean... > >> > > Would like to but....new job=no days off for awhile. Maybe next > time. And I > promise not to run into you. :-) Take pics. > > Scooter > From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 3 09:40:47 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com (ndcrelay2.mcit.com [166.37.172.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA05059 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 09:40:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta4.mcit.com (omta4.mcit.com [166.37.204.6]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id OAA26938; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 14:37:21 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta4.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990203144017.EZY1406@toddnt>; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 08:40:17 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Fagan, Collin LT" , "'dc'" Subject: RE: Feb 12, Baltimore Motorcycle Show. Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 09:39:08 -0500 Message-ID: <002801be4f82$f4bd9300$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-reply-to: <904D6E6114A7D211ACCD006008A37EBD032B02@MSCEX> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal > Collin > (Who's definitely not a big boob fan...) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I think you may be right about being glad Penny doesn't read this list ;) T From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 3 09:45:37 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA05182 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 09:45:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from natiboh.torrentnet.com (natiboh.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.1]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA01839 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 09:45:17 -0500 (EST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by natiboh.torrentnet.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id JAA13081 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 09:02:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com(204.194.180.31) by natiboh.torrentnet.com via smap (V2.0) id xma013077; Wed, 3 Feb 99 09:01:50 -0500 Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id A69A3170368; Wed, 03 Feb 1999 09:00:58 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990203084802.00fe20c0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 08:52:11 -0500 To: JinnSinn@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: International bike show pics Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 04:32 PM 2/2/99 , JinnSinn@XXXXXX wrote: >well ... they also try to get your name for their database .... etc .... I >just don't like to help the gatherers of my personal information ...... for >example - the DMV in Florida just sold all its drivers license pix to a >private company ....if I were a citizen there I'd be wondering where my >modelling fee is and why I never had to sign a model release form like anyone >else who has their picture sold. >marcy That's been in the news a bunch lately. A small company in New England contracted to buy drivers license photos from Florida and two other states (South Carolina might be one). They were paying as much as one cent each. Ostensibly the purpose is to create a nationwide database of pictures for fraud prevention during consumer purchases. As someone who has had to match up drivers license photos with real people, I find the idea of a $5/hr. clerk matching faces to be questionnable. The photos sale may have violated the Florida state constitution, too. A number of people have expressed reservations about collecting photos for one purpose (licenses) then using them for another purpose (revenue generation). That, however, is a common result of collecting data. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 3 09:45:40 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA05183 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 09:45:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from natiboh.torrentnet.com (natiboh.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.1]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA01844 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 09:45:18 -0500 (EST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by natiboh.torrentnet.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id JAA13082 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 09:02:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com(204.194.180.31) by natiboh.torrentnet.com via smap (V2.0) id xma013078; Wed, 3 Feb 99 09:01:51 -0500 Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id A6A03170368; Wed, 03 Feb 1999 09:01:04 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990203090016.00fe9d70@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 09:01:03 -0500 To: "George Howell" From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: International bike show pics Cc: "'dc'" In-Reply-To: <012c01be4f19$b52db1c0$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> References: <8525670C.005D0C86.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" "Oh no! Not another shrubbery!" Gosh George, my opinion of you just went up a notch. :-) Chris Norloff At 09:05 PM 2/2/99 , George Howell wrote: >First you must buy us.... > >"A SHRUBBERY!" > >---------------------------------------- >-George Howell >ghowell@XXXXXX >ghowell@XXXXXX >georgehowell@XXXXXX >"I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX >> [mailto:christopher.meier@XXXXXX] >> Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 1999 11:59 AM >> To: Chris Norloff >> Cc: Fagan, Collin LT; 'dc' >> Subject: Re: International bike show pics >> >> >> Yeah ... I went ahead and answered them all and I am still only a "guest" >> of the group. How does one become a full member? Swallow a >> goldfish? Get >> hit on the ass with a paddle? >> >> What gives? >> --chris >> >> To: "Fagan, Collin LT" , 'dc' >> >> cc: >> From: Chris Norloff >> Date: 02/02/99 03:41:49 PM GMT >> Subject: Re: International bike show pics >> >> >> >> >> At 10:04 AM 2/2/99 , Fagan, Collin LT wrote: >> >Posted to the yahoo club photo section : >> >http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/dcareariders >> >or for those that think answering three questions to create a log in is >> too >> >complicated, I also posted them on the ftp server Mike T. set up at: >> >ftp://ftp.wheatintl.com/incoming/dc-cycles/NYC-bike_show/ >> >> >> Three questions for Yahoo? I put in what I thought was a reasonable >> minimum, and they said: >> Please specify a Secret Answer. >> You didn't specify a valid Year for your birthday. >> Please specify your Gender. >> Please specify an Occupation. >> Please specify your Industry. >> Please specify a Zip or Postal Code. >> >> But thanks for putting the pictures on the web. >> >> tired of being a data point, >> Chris Norloff >> >> >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------- >> The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to >> which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged >> material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or >> taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or >> entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If >> you received >> this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any >> computer. >> >> > From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 3 09:54:33 1999 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA05273 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 09:54:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA02441 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 09:54:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from mscex.mailteam.uscg.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA04359; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 09:32:03 -0500 (EST) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 09:56:31 -0500 Message-ID: <904D6E6114A7D211ACCD006008A37EBD032B09@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LT" To: "'Chris Norloff'" , George Howell Cc: "'dc'" Subject: RE: International bike show pics Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 09:56:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain "stop saying that word!" "knu..no no no..it's nnee" lol required viewing during the formative years at college (weekly) On Wednesday, February 03, 1999 9:54 AM, Chris Norloff [SMTP:cnorloff@XXXXXX] wrote: > "Oh no! Not another shrubbery!" > > Gosh George, my opinion of you just went up a notch. > > :-) > Chris Norloff > > At 09:05 PM 2/2/99 , George Howell wrote: > >First you must buy us.... > > > >"A SHRUBBERY!" > From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 3 10:00:06 1999 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA05360 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 10:00:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from mscex.mailteam.uscg.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA04743; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 09:37:09 -0500 (EST) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 10:01:37 -0500 Message-ID: <904D6E6114A7D211ACCD006008A37EBD032B0C@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LT" To: "'Todd Peer'" , "'dc'" Subject: RE: Feb 12, Baltimore Motorcycle Show. Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 10:01:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Nah, she knows what kind of eye candy I like to look at....The ones she has to worry about though are adorned in carbon fiber, titanium, soft rubber, and put out over 100 horsepower ;-) On Wednesday, February 03, 1999 9:39 AM, Todd Peer [SMTP:todd.b.peer@XXXXXX] wrote: > > > > Collin > > (Who's definitely not a big boob fan...) > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > I think you may be right about being glad Penny doesn't read this list ;) > > T From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 3 10:00:30 1999 Return-Path: rcrishock@XXXXXX Received: from alms1.fw.att.com (alms1.att.com [192.128.167.146]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA05396 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 10:00:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from dcn73.dcn.att.com ([135.44.68.33]) by alms1.fw.att.com (AT&T/IPNS/GW-1.0) with SMTP id JAA17985 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 09:59:47 -0500 (EST) Received: by dcn73.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BE4F5B.E6D883C0@XXXXXX>; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 09:59:34 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Crishock, Richard" To: "'Chris Norloff'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: getting hit by cagers (was: Helmets and visors and tabs) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 09:59:32 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes, good point about the quick getaway. I too have been hit from behind, but not at a red light. The night was sultry... I was slowing down, following another rider's lost drive chain as it went sparking down the road, and a (former) friend smashed right into the back of me (he was driving his car), throwing me from the bike. I had just put the motor back into the frame that afternoon after painting the motor and body parts. Not only did the bastard bend the frame and put my back permanently out of whack, but he crushed my ONE DAY OLD Kerker 4 into 1 pipe. 12 years later and it still makes me angry. And as for cables breaking, it happens. My point was that if you are in first gear at an intersection WHEN the cable breaks, you could get launched into cross traffic. I wasn't advocating neutral use to save the cable. Maybe it isn't a very good point, but there it is ;). Thanks for the info. Even though (or perhaps because?) I've been riding for several years, I would like to take the MSF course this spring. Maybe I could talk the wife into taking it too. I've often thought about how much fun it would be for both of us if she could ride her own bike. Rich '78 Triumph Bonneville Scowling Street Terrors #78 Sterling, VA USA >Yes, staying in gear with the clutch in at a red light is a good way to get >out of the way if some incompetent cager comes up behind you too fast. Ask >Marcy, who was recently hit this way. > >The chance of a clutch cable breaking is not a good reason to place >yourself in harm's way - but do check the cable regularly. The most >common failure is where the ball end is attached to the cable, right where >the cable goes into the clutch lever. > >Don't worry about the throwout bearing wearing out from sitting with the >clutch in. I've never even heard of that happening to bikes, but it may be >something related to older bikes. > >Chris Norloff > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 3 10:35:52 1999 Return-Path: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA05882 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 10:35:51 -0500 (EST) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id D2JVK3V4; Wed, 03 Feb 1999 10:34:58 EST To: Dysart@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: the little wave Message-ID: <19990203.102308.5271.1.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46F0130B8@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 3-6,8-9 From: Bikes R Us Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 10:34:58 EST You know, the little "thank you" wave that people give you when you let them in front of you in traffic. Usually they wave into the rearview mirror or out the window. I'm a big fan of "the little wave." Personally, I give people a peace sign... JohnDavid@Bikes R Us On Wed, 3 Feb 1999 07:36:26 -0500 "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" writes: >What's "the little wave"? ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 3 10:40:40 1999 Return-Path: Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA05903 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 10:40:31 -0500 (EST) Received: by dadc012.hqda.pentagon.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id <1CYY83KP>; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 10:39:14 -0500 Message-ID: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46F0130CE@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'Bikes R Us'" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: the little wave Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 10:39:20 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Ah, now I know what you are talking about. Although I can't remember ever giving one to someone who moved out of the fast lane. I guess I just expect them to move over out of courtesy, I do. Speaking of letting people in when a lanes end. I'm really anal about NOT letting people in that don't use a turn signal. If your lane is ending and you want to come over then put on that blinker! Glenn > -----Original Message----- > From: Bikes R Us [SMTP:bike.dealer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 1999 10:35 AM > To: Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: the little wave > > You know, the little "thank you" wave that people give you when you let > them in front of you in traffic. Usually they wave into the rearview > mirror or out the window. I'm a big fan of "the little wave." Personally, > I give people a peace sign... > > JohnDavid@Bikes R Us > > On Wed, 3 Feb 1999 07:36:26 -0500 "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" > writes: > >What's "the little wave"? > > ___________________________________________________________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html > or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 3 10:54:32 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA06117 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 10:54:30 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id KAA16487; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 10:54:42 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma016418; Wed, 3 Feb 99 10:53:55 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F6L00I3L5FULC@XXXXXX>; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 10:53:58 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 8525670D.0056F09A ; Wed, 03 Feb 1999 10:49:36 -0500 Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 10:44:22 -0500 Subject: RE: getting hit by cagers (was: Helmets and visors and tabs) To: "Crishock, Richard" Cc: "'Chris Norloff'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Message-id: <8525670D.005688DB.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL From: "Crishock, Richard" "I would like to take the MSF course this spring." It may already be too late to sign up for a spring MSF course. You'd better make reservations NOW if you want a spot in the next few months. Chris Weaver ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 3 11:11:22 1999 Return-Path: raymondlucas@XXXXXX Received: from send204.yahoomail.com (send204.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.128]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA06394 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 11:11:20 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990203160836.16527.rocketmail@send204.yahoomail.com> Received: from [209.48.193.3] by send204.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 03 Feb 1999 08:08:36 PST Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 08:08:36 -0800 (PST) From: Ray Subject: RE: Feb 12, Baltimore Motorcycle Show. To: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" , "'dc'" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hooters, pizza, it makes no difference to me. Anyone got a suggestion where and when to meet? I don't know the area, I'll be coming either by bike (I hear there's bike parking right in front, can anyone confirm?) or if I plan on a few beers taking the train. Ray ---"McCoy, Brian NAB02" wrote: > > I don't see the point.. mild food, so-so beer and a bunch of women who are > definatly silicone based life-forms.. > > About the show.. if noone's gone before.. and you made it to the NYC show.. > they don't compair. Baltimores tends to be overrun by HD stuff.. with the > little else split between vintage (which is cool in it's own way) and > squid-boy stuff like polishing and custom paint-jobs. I got in for free and > though it was a waste of money (I had to drive up there) last year.. Just > don't expect a whole lot... > > Brian > > > > > Let's get real, Collin. Nobody really goes to Hooters for the wings. > > That's an excuse they convince themselves with. The only reason to go > > to Hooters is the scenery. > > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 3 11:13:28 1999 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA06464 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 11:13:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA04228 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 11:13:23 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 11:13:22 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Edmondson/AMA Update in IM (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII More news... ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: 3 Feb 1999 14:59:00 -0000 From: Interactive Motorcycle Update List To: List Member Subject: Edmondson/AMA Update in IM Interactive Motorcycle Update List - http://www.activebike.com We have just published an update on the AMA/Edmondson issue. Jay McDaniel, Publisher ______________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, write to activebike-unsubscribe@XXXXXX Start Your Own FREE Email List at http://www.listbot.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 3 11:14:14 1999 Return-Path: raymondlucas@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA06482 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 11:14:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from send203.yahoomail.com (send203.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.127]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA07485 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 11:14:06 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990203161431.25852.rocketmail@send203.yahoomail.com> Received: from [209.48.193.3] by send203.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 03 Feb 1999 08:14:31 PST Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 08:14:31 -0800 (PST) From: Ray Subject: RE: International bike show pics To: "Fagan, Collin LT" , "'Chris Norloff'" , George Howell Cc: "'dc'" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii One of my 3rd-world pictures is me dressed as a shrubbery on a police motorcycle. ---"Fagan, Collin LT" wrote: > > "stop saying that word!" > > "knu..no no no..it's nnee" > > lol required viewing during the formative years at college (weekly) > > On Wednesday, February 03, 1999 9:54 AM, Chris Norloff > [SMTP:cnorloff@XXXXXX] wrote: > > "Oh no! Not another shrubbery!" > > > > Gosh George, my opinion of you just went up a notch. > > > > :-) > > Chris Norloff > > > > At 09:05 PM 2/2/99 , George Howell wrote: > > >First you must buy us.... > > > > > >"A SHRUBBERY!" > > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 3 11:18:41 1999 Return-Path: rcrishock@XXXXXX Received: from alms1.fw.att.com (alms1.att.com [192.128.167.146]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA06581 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 11:18:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from dcn73.dcn.att.com ([135.44.68.33]) by alms1.fw.att.com (AT&T/IPNS/GW-1.0) with SMTP id LAA14361 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 11:17:59 -0500 (EST) Received: by dcn73.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BE4F66.D34CD940@XXXXXX>; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 11:17:46 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Crishock, Richard" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: MSF course at Louden NVCC Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 11:17:42 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, I've done it. I've registered for the MSF course on May 21. And I've signed up the wifey too, but she doesn't know it yet :). This should be fun. Rich '78 Triumph Bonneville Scowling Street Terrors #78 Sterling, VA USA Last post of the day from me. I promise. From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 3 11:20:53 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com (ndcrelay2.mcit.com [166.37.172.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA06660 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 11:20:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta4.mcit.com (omta4.mcit.com [166.37.204.6]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id QAA02022; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 16:17:16 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta4.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990203162012.WRT1406@toddnt>; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 10:20:12 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Crishock, Richard" , "'Chris Norloff'" , Subject: RE: getting hit by cagers (was: Helmets and visors and tabs) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 11:19:03 -0500 Message-ID: <003101be4f90$e9f19080$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-reply-to: X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Rich Crishock wrote: > > > And as for cables breaking, it happens. My point was that if you are in > first gear at an intersection WHEN the cable breaks, you could get > launched into cross traffic. I wasn't advocating neutral use to save > the cable. Maybe it isn't a very good point, but there it is ;). Of course, you could just hold both the cable and front brake lever while in first gear. Then if the cable broke, you'd simply stall the engine. Todd From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 3 11:25:58 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net ([208.206.112.8]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA06681 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 11:25:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net [166.32.112.69] by tidalwave.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-4.07) id A7449BC00D8; Wed, 03 Feb 1999 11:20:20 EST Message-ID: <36B8788F.B0D87CD3@tidalwave.net> Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 11:25:51 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Crishock, Richard" CC: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: getting hit by cagers (was: Helmets and visors and tabs) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Crishock, Richard wrote: > > And as for cables breaking, it happens. My point was that if you are in > first gear at an intersection WHEN the cable breaks, you could get > launched into cross traffic. I wasn't advocating neutral use to save > the cable. Maybe it isn't a very good point, but there it is ;). Well, as long as you aren't one of these yahoos that likes to rev up the engine while sitting stopped at a light, chances are that you'll probably just stall out, and maybe lurch the bike a little bit. My fear of getting flattened from behind far, far outweighs any fear of a cable snapping. And these new-fangled high-tech fancy Concours bikes have hydraulic clutch hoses anyway. Guess I gotta worry about them leaking, huh? :) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You'll know she loves you if she offers horkster@XXXXXX to let you ride her bike. Don't do it Dale City, Virginia and she'll love you even more." 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - "BugSlayer" VA Tag: BGSLYR 1998 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - No name, and no fancy tag either 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 - Ours - But mostly mine From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 3 11:30:56 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail04.usace.army.mil (mcxmail04.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.222]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA06810 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 11:30:54 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199902031630.LAA06810@meretrix.com> Received: by mcxmail04.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id <1FYCL5NN>; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 08:30:46 -0800 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Edmondson/AMA Update in IM (fwd) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 08:29:50 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Of course what we DON'T have is the story on what Roger E. denied a racing license to someone because they posed a difference of opinion about scheduling on the race e-mail list.. Look for the story in a future edition of RRW&MT (aka Johns World).. From what I've seen so far, a racer's getting it w/o lube for no reason other than voicing his opinion... Kinda flakey if you ask me.. Brian From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 3 12:08:32 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA07482 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 12:08:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA18474 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 12:08:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (known cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA25834 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 12:08:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from mscex.mailteam.uscg.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA18427; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 11:45:53 -0500 (EST) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 12:10:21 -0500 Message-ID: <904D6E6114A7D211ACCD006008A37EBD032B12@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LT" To: "'WantAZX6@XXXXXX'" , todd.b.peer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Jeez yall - libel suit? HUH? Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 12:10:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain But do it off list privately!!! I did my two semesters of legal classes in college (did well in em I might add) and don't want to relive them :-) (I avoided the law enforcement arena for a reson ;-)) Collin On Wednesday, February 03, 1999 12:07 PM, WantAZX6@XXXXXX [SMTP:WantAZX6@XXXXXX] wrote: If anyone would like to pick it apart, by all means go ahead... > > Jack From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 3 12:18:13 1999 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA07696 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 12:18:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from mscex.mailteam.uscg.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA19340; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 11:55:50 -0500 (EST) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 12:20:18 -0500 Message-ID: <904D6E6114A7D211ACCD006008A37EBD032B14@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LT" To: "'McCoy, Brian NAB02'" , "'dc'" Subject: RE: Edmondson/AMA Update in IM (fwd) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 12:20:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Ahhh.. you beat me too it. The racer is a local guy too. Very nice fellow. One thing that got lost in the Race List banter and here is that he didn't just post it on the race list. he sent the original email directly to them. Although he was a tad harsh in some of his comments to them, they were all well thought out and I for one agreed with them. In fact, I'm interested to see if I'll get my new license as well, sinice I copied his email in its entirety in my message to CCS and pretty much said I agree with everything he said. The biggest complaints the vile offender had with proposed CCS changes for 99 were: Going from half the purse in a GT race for the top 5 finishers (usually amounts to well over $300 for 1st place) to $200 total paid through 10th place ($75 for 1st, $5 for 6th through 10th!) Twin sprints race format being held at away tracks rather than home track. A normal CCS weekend has GT (30 minute) races held on saturday and sprint races (8 laps ~ 10 minutes) held on sunday. The GT races give you a lot more track time overall which is the best way to learn to go faster. Particularly on a new track which you had to drive 12 hours to get to!. The twin sprint format will run two identical days of sprint races on both saturday and sunday If anyone is interested, I can dig back through my archives and find his original message and send it off list if you'd like... Collin On Wednesday, February 03, 1999 11:42 AM, McCoy, Brian NAB02 [SMTP:Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX] wrote: > Of course what we DON'T have is the story on what Roger E. denied a racing > license to someone because they posed a difference of opinion about > scheduling on the race e-mail list.. Look for the story in a future edition > of RRW&MT (aka Johns World).. From what I've seen so far, a racer's getting > it w/o lube for no reason other than voicing his opinion... > > Kinda flakey if you ask me.. > > Brian From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 3 12:21:13 1999 Return-Path: HolmesM@XXXXXX Received: from animal.DINFOS.OSD.MIL (animal.dinfos.osd.mil [199.122.55.11]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA07783 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 12:21:11 -0500 (EST) Received: by ANIMAL.dinfos.osd.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 12:20:52 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: getting hit by cagers (was: Helmets and visors and tabs) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 12:20:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain But then you might flip over the handlebars, right? Mitch -----Original Message----- From: Todd Peer [mailto:todd.b.peer@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 1999 11:19 AM To: Crishock, Richard; 'Chris Norloff'; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: getting hit by cagers (was: Helmets and visors and tabs) Of course, you could just hold both the cable and front brake lever while in first gear. Then if the cable broke, you'd simply stall the engine. Todd From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 3 12:38:39 1999 Return-Path: louis@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out.vma.verio.net (smtp-out.vma.verio.net [168.143.190.239]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA08072 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 12:38:37 -0500 (EST) From: louis@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-gw.vma.verio.net ([168.143.0.18]) by smtp-out.vma.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 1086FZ-0005QR-00; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 12:38:05 -0500 Received: from shell.clark.net (clark.net [168.143.0.8]) by smtp-gw.vma.verio.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id MAA28530; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 12:38:41 -0500 (EST) Received: (from louis@localhost) by shell.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA03117; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 12:38:35 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199902031738.MAA03117@shell.clark.net> Subject: Re: MSF course at Louden NVCC To: rcrishock@XXXXXX (Crishock, Richard" ) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 12:38:35 -0500 (EST) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) In-Reply-To: from "Crishock, Richard" " at Feb 3, 99 11:17:42 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text > Well, > > I've done it. I've registered for the MSF course on May 21. And I've > signed up the wifey too, but she doesn't know it yet :). > > This should be fun. Which? Taking the course, or telling the wifey that you signed her up for the course? :-) Seriously, congrats, good luck, and enjoy the course! Louis From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 3 12:48:13 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA08296 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 12:48:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta4.mcit.com (omta4.mcit.com [166.37.204.6]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id RAA32214; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 17:47:17 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta4.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990203174741.BLSG1406@toddnt>; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 11:47:41 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO" , Subject: RE: getting hit by cagers (was: Helmets and visors and tabs) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 12:46:31 -0500 Message-ID: <003401be4f9d$21e750e0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-reply-to: X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Damn! You must be putting down some SERIOUS horsies on that triumph ;) > But then you might flip over the handlebars, right? > > Mitch > > -----Original Message----- > From: Todd Peer [mailto:todd.b.peer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 1999 11:19 AM > To: Crishock, Richard; 'Chris Norloff'; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: getting hit by cagers (was: Helmets and visors and tabs) > > > > > Of course, you could just hold both the cable and front brake > lever while in > first gear. Then if the cable broke, you'd simply stall the engine. > > Todd > From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 3 12:55:04 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA08421 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 12:55:00 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id MAA18511; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 12:56:09 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma018329; Wed, 3 Feb 99 12:55:27 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F6L00GEAB4H7Z@XXXXXX>; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 12:55:29 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 8525670D.00623047 ; Wed, 03 Feb 1999 12:52:28 -0500 Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 10:52:43 -0500 Subject: Re: the little wave To: Bikes R Us Cc: Dysart@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <8525670D.00575171.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Don't try this if you visit the UK some day... They interpret that particular sign a slightly different way. =^) From: Bikes R Us Personally, I give people a peace sign... ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 3 13:17:35 1999 Return-Path: Carl.Custer@XXXXXX Received: from dchqexs1.fsis.usda.gov (wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa [199.128.203.12] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA08777 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 13:17:30 -0500 (EST) Received: by wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 13:16:52 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCy'" Cc: "'2xracers@XXXXXX'" <2xracers@XXXXXX>, "'zbig@XXXXXX'" Subject: GPS points Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 13:16:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Here's a SabMaggot near Deal's Gap that's started a page: http://www.public.usit.net/roaddog/motorcycles/gps.htm From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> Subject: Re: GPS Waypoints for Motorcyclists Zbig, I just bought a GPS, too. I got the Lowrance GM100... it also has downloadable maps. It'd be cool to compile some waypoints, but I haven't tried g7to. If it would work with everyone's GPS, then it might be worth a try! Carl From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 3 13:29:45 1999 Return-Path: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA08887 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 13:29:44 -0500 (EST) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id D2J7JRNH; Wed, 03 Feb 1999 13:29:00 EST To: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: the little wave Message-ID: <19990203.130023.5271.2.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: <8525670D.00575178.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-4,6-15 From: Bikes R Us Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 13:29:00 EST Not that I'm likely to get over to the UK anytime soon (the jet's in the shop, ya know), but I'll bite. What does the peace sign mean over there? JohnDavid@Bikes R Us On Wed, 03 Feb 1999 10:52:43 -0500 christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX writes: >Don't try this if you visit the UK some day... They interpret that > particular sign a slightly different way. =^) > >From: Bikes R Us >Personally, >I give people a peace sign... > > > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 3 13:46:29 1999 Return-Path: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA09217 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 13:45:16 -0500 (EST) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id D2J8FMKE; Wed, 03 Feb 1999 13:44:46 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Triumph Sprint ST Message-ID: <19990203.131605.5271.3.bike.dealer@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 3-4,6-9 From: Bikes R Us Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 13:44:46 EST I know a lot of you went to the bike show in NYC and probably already saw one of these, but if you didn't make the show and would like to check one out, we have one of them on the floor now. This is one of the bikes I've been waiting impatiently to see. I like it. I'm still waiting for the V-Star 1100, the Drifter, the R6, and the Hayabusa! JohnDavid@Bikes R Us ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 3 13:52:38 1999 Return-Path: garicao@XXXXXX Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (garicao@XXXXXX [151.200.199.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA09305 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 13:52:37 -0500 (EST) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id NAA12045; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 13:53:32 -0500 Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 13:53:32 -0500 (EST) From: Garcia Oliver To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Left-Lane Slowpokes a Major Irritant In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990203085242.0100b740@mail.toward.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII And, if you can safely move out of the merge area, it is a courtesy to the entering vehicle without any downside to you. Why would anyone not want to do that? --garcia > At 04:42 PM 2/2/99 , christopher.meier@XXXXXX wrote: > >Assuming that we are on motorcycles, here is what I do ... TAKE CONTROL! I > >prefer to make the decision for myself than leave it to other caging > >idiots. > > > >Step 1 Assume merging driver is an idiot and does not see you > >Step 2 Mirror and head checks > >Step 3 If clear, accelerate ~5mph while changing into the left lane. > >Step 4 Return to the right lane as soon as you are past the merge lane > >and traffic is clear. > From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 3 14:16:41 1999 Return-Path: raymondlucas@XXXXXX Received: from send203.yahoomail.com (send203.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.127]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA09756 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 14:16:36 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990203191659.2171.rocketmail@send203.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.30.31.35] by send203.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 03 Feb 1999 11:16:59 PST Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 11:16:59 -0800 (PST) From: Ray Subject: Re: the little wave To: Bikes R Us , christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii It means the same as the middle finger here. ---Bikes R Us wrote: > > Not that I'm likely to get over to the UK anytime soon (the jet's in the > shop, ya know), but I'll bite. What does the peace sign mean over there? > > JohnDavid@Bikes R Us > > On Wed, 03 Feb 1999 10:52:43 -0500 christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX > writes: > >Don't try this if you visit the UK some day... They interpret that > > particular sign a slightly different way. =^) > > > >From: Bikes R Us > >Personally, > >I give people a peace sign... > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html > or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 3 22:04:48 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA00823 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 22:04:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA14581 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 20:15:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA26262 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 20:15:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (known imo22.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.66]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA15714 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 20:15:49 -0500 (EST) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo22.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id DBKVa01428; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 20:05:15 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: <2dbb1a88.36b8f24b@aol.com> Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 20:05:15 EST To: tl1000s@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Fwd: TIRE SALE !!!!! Pirelli / Dunlop Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part0_918090316_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_918090316_boundary Content-ID: <0_918090316@XXXXXX> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII --part0_918090316_boundary Content-ID: <0_918090316@XXXXXX> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-ya05.mx.aol.com (rly-ya05.mail.aol.com [172.18.144.197]) by air-ya03.mx.aol.com (v56.24) with SMTP; Wed, 03 Feb 1999 20:02:12 1900 Received: from moto.micapeak.com (moto.micapeak.com [207.53.128.12]) by rly-ya05.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with ESMTP id UAA05053; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 20:02:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from moto.micapeak.com (listproc@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by moto.micapeak.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA14679; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 16:56:36 -0800 Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 16:56:36 -0800 Message-Id: <8825670E.0003DCD5.00@Notes.airtouch.com> Errors-To: race-owner@XXXXXX Reply-To: Brad.Glustoff@XXXXXX Originator: race@XXXXXX Sender: race@XXXXXX Precedence: bulk From: Brad.Glustoff@XXXXXX To: Motorcycle Roadracing Listserver Subject: TIRE SALE !!!!! Pirelli / Dunlop X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0 -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Motorcycle Roadracing Listserver Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Greetings All, I'm closing out the last of the race take off tires I have. When these are gone, that's it. All the tires have between 15 to 20 laps on them. All sizes are 180/55 rear and 120/70 fronts. Pirelli Dragon Corsa Rear only $ 50 each Pirelli Dragon slicks front or rear $ 50 each Dunlop 207 GPs front or rear $ 50 each All prices are plus shipping from So. Cal USA. If you bought tires from me before, e-mail me on a special price for slicks. Thanks, Brad CMRRA # 23 WSMC # 723 ( first race on Feb. 21st, I'm already nervous ) --part0_918090316_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 3 22:04:55 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA00825 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 22:04:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA12548 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 19:34:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA25747 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 19:34:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (known saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA14519 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 19:33:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from server1.illuminet.net (root@XXXXXX [205.215.54.51]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA24117 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 19:33:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrider.illuminet.net (cust002.quantico.illuminet.net [209.44.72.2]) by server1.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA20343 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 19:36:04 -0500 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19990204002708.006d7990@illuminet.net> X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 19:27:08 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Saturday >> Crotona Midnight Run! Even if it snows, we go! At 07:15 AM 2/3/99 -0500, Morris Berman wrote: >Huh? Where is Crotona? Crotona is in the Bronx, but the Crotona Midnight run leaves from the Nathan's/Caldor's parking lot on Central Avenue in Yonkers, NY. It's a timed road run (time-speed-distance rally rules) that starts at midnight, has a two hour break at 2AM and returns to Yonkers around 6AM. It's this weekend. You're welcome to come, I plan to trailer up, since my wife and daughter want to visit Grandma. The low in NY is forecast for around 27 degrees, although they are calling for some rain/freezing rain during the day on Saturday. Leon. From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 3 22:04:42 1999 Return-Path: rdt@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA00817 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 22:04:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA16956 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 20:56:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from oemcomputer (207-172-65-99.s99.tnt24.brd.erols.com [207.172.65.99]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA01376; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 20:55:26 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <000e01be50ab$1ada5ae0$6341accf@oemcomputer> From: "Roy D. Turner, Esq." To: "Morris Berman" , "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: Saturday Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 20:58:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 I may be available. What do you suugest re: meeting place and route. Roy D. Turner, Esq. -----Original Message----- From: Morris Berman To: DC Cycles Date: Tuesday, February 02, 1999 8:40 PM Subject: Saturday >I don't know what the weather forecast is but... > 1.) My wife will be out of town > 2.) My GPz lives again > 3.) I haven't been on a "ride" in quite some time. > >Anyone else up for something? > >-Mb > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > Morris Berman, berman@XXXXXX >'96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. > > Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to > cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 3 22:04:59 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA00827 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 22:04:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA11772 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 19:16:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA25562 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 19:16:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (known imo25.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.69]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA14233 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 19:16:25 -0500 (EST) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo25.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id UVGPa20295; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 19:06:36 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 19:06:36 EST To: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX, CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX, tl1000s@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Feb 12, Baltimore Motorcycle Show. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 In a message dated 2/3/99 9:23:27 AM Eastern Standard Time, todd.b.peer@XXXXXX writes: << The show is a weekend event, starting on Friday >> Might be a Sunday trip if I go. Any takers? Scooter From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 3 22:05:03 1999 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA00833 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 22:05:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from radagast.wizard.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA02430 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 17:00:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from crxja001.wachovia.com ([199.4.241.53]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA10244 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 17:00:27 -0500 Message-Id: <199902032200.RAA10244@radagast.wizard.net> From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 16:58:30 -0500 Subject: (Fwd) Motorcycle Insurance [Bikeline] Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) Interesting... Bikeline would cost me $300 more per year for the GPZ (almost 2x as much). I'm guessing they have some sort of model classifications, unlike State Farm. Insurance definitely seems to be hit or miss.. with no apparent reasoning for the differences from company to company. Definitely have to shop around... and it looks like I'll be with State Farm for many years to come! :-) Anita ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date sent: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 16:10:46 -0500 From: "WWW Bikeline" To: 2xracers@XXXXXX Subject: Motorcycle Insurance Thank you for responding to our On-line Quote form. We are pleased to provide you with a quote on your motorcycle insurance. The annual premium for the coverages you selected would be: Unit #1 1996 Kawasaki ZX1100 $664 From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 3 22:05:07 1999 Return-Path: david@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA00847 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 22:05:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out.vma.verio.net (smtp-out.vma.verio.net [168.143.190.239]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA00427 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 16:38:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-gw.vma.verio.net ([168.143.0.18]) by smtp-out.vma.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 1089wl-0007Sq-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 16:34:55 -0500 Received: from manitou.bdanet.com (bdanet.com [209.70.174.3]) by smtp-gw.vma.verio.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id QAA12127 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 16:35:29 -0500 (EST) Received: by bdanet.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 16:39:49 -0500 Message-ID: <21C53F566655D111845600A0C90D6A260ED7B1@bdanet.com> From: David Cross To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Edmondson/AMA Update in IM (fwd) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 16:39:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain For what its worth, I was not impressed with the CCS Roebling road event. Way too few cornerworkers, an over ambitious race schedule that had to be cut short (which was quite obvious to everyone that they should have realized this before hand), and a few other minor problems. This season I was gonna run the majority of CCS events and only the local WERA ones. Next year I may do the opposite. Dave Cross WERA & CCS #416am --------------------------- Sponsored by Fast Lane Cycles (703) 818 8890 http://www.fastlanecycles.com --------------------------- 90 FZR400 (race) 94 VFR750 (street) > -----Original Message----- > From: Fagan, Collin LT [mailto:cfagan@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 1999 12:20 PM > To: 'McCoy, Brian NAB02'; 'dc' > Subject: RE: Edmondson/AMA Update in IM (fwd) > > > Ahhh.. you beat me too it. > > The racer is a local guy too. Very nice fellow. > One thing that got lost in the Race List banter and here is > that he didn't > just post it on the race list. he sent the original email > directly to them. > Although he was a tad harsh in some of his comments to them, > they were all > well thought out and I for one agreed with them. > In fact, I'm interested to see if I'll get my new license as > well, sinice I > copied his email in its entirety in my message to CCS and > pretty much said I > agree with everything he said. > > The biggest complaints the vile offender had with proposed > CCS changes for > 99 were: > > Going from half the purse in a GT race for the top 5 > finishers (usually > amounts to well over $300 for 1st place) to $200 total paid > through 10th > place ($75 for 1st, $5 for 6th through 10th!) > > Twin sprints race format being held at away tracks rather > than home track. > A normal CCS weekend has GT (30 minute) races held on > saturday and sprint > races (8 laps ~ 10 minutes) held on sunday. > The GT races give you a lot more track time overall which is > the best way to > learn to go faster. Particularly on a new track which you > had to drive 12 > hours to get to!. > The twin sprint format will run two identical days of sprint > races on both > saturday and sunday > > If anyone is interested, I can dig back through my archives > and find his > original message and send it off list if you'd like... > > Collin > From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 3 22:05:12 1999 Return-Path: Carl.Custer@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA00854 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 22:05:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from dchqexs1.fsis.usda.gov (wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa [199.128.203.12] (may be forged)) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA23783 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 15:13:06 -0500 (EST) Received: by wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 15:11:25 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCy'" Subject: Left-Lane Hogs Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 15:11:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Long ago, when two lane highways were the norm, passing went like this: Rear vehicle: flash lights = "I'd like to pass". Front vehicle: flash lights = "looks clear from here" When the passer cleared the passed, the passed vehicle flashed = "you're clear to switch back lanes" Passer flashed = "Thanks" or waved This still works with most semi trailers and yes-ss on the Autobahn and Autostrada (Italy). Now, the most frequent practice seems to be: Rear vehicle tailgates front vehicle = "getoutta my fweekin' way" ("irritation with those who race up from behind and bully them out of the way.") Yeah, ignorance and rudeness pisses me off too. Personally, flashing an "I'd like to pass" usually works for me. When it doesn't I try again; third time I add a beep or three. Two things: 1) when I approach a vehicle (on my bike), I add a weave so I'm more noticeable 2) I don't expect the front vehicle to squeeze between vehicles zooming by on the right. Oh, and when they move over -- even reluctantly -- give 'em a right hand wave (Yet another reason for a throttle lock) When all else fails, I pass them on the right adding short beeps because I'll be in their blind spot a tad longer than had I passed them on the left and it = "you irritated me so here's something for you" "So, what? Instead of flashing your lights you need to beep the horn? It could be argued from the defending position that they never heard your horn. Considering the pitiful little horns on most bikes, they'd have a good defense." Try Pep Boys: Air horns (Stebel or Fiamm?) or Hi-way Blasters (Blazer?) Either is less than $30. Mounting is sometime challenging but go to 14 & K NW for ideas. But -- while loud horns are a great safety asset, being visible is better. So, please stay out of the cagers' blind spots. Carl in Bethesda From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 3 22:05:15 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA00862 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 22:05:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA22288 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 14:48:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id A7D21B7031E; Wed, 03 Feb 1999 14:47:30 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990203145330.018c5820@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 14:54:51 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: the little wave In-Reply-To: <19990203.102308.5271.1.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46F0130B8@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:34 AM 2/3/99 , Bikes R Us wrote: >You know, the little "thank you" wave that people give you when you let >them in front of you in traffic. Usually they wave into the rearview >mirror or out the window. I'm a big fan of "the little wave." Personally, >I give people a peace sign... >JohnDavid@Bikes R Us Sounds good. I do that, too, just to thank the person who helped, and to communicate that there's a few courteous drivers still out there. My hand signal is holding my hand open, all 5 fingers spread - I figure it has the least chance of being misinterpreted! Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 3 22:05:20 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA00867 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 22:05:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA22350 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 14:48:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id A7D01B7031E; Wed, 03 Feb 1999 14:47:28 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990203145133.018bccf0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 14:53:04 -0500 To: "Crishock, Richard" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: getting hit by cagers (was: Helmets and visors and tabs) In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:59 AM 2/3/99 , Crishock, Richard wrote: >And as for cables breaking, it happens. My point was that if you are in >first gear at an intersection WHEN the cable breaks, you could get >launched into cross traffic. I wasn't advocating neutral use to save >the cable. Maybe it isn't a very good point, but there it is ;). I see your point, and it would be nasty if it happened. I think there's more danger from being hit from behind. That's partly influenced by having over 100,000 miles on old bikes with clutch cables that never broke. Perhaps covering a brake, just in case, would be a suitable compromise for a rider? Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 3 22:05:27 1999 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA00871 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 22:05:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA21029 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 14:34:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA03087 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 14:32:03 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 14:32:02 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: the little wave In-Reply-To: <19990203191659.2171.rocketmail@send203.yahoomail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 3 Feb 1999, Ray wrote: > It means the same as the middle finger here. Two fingers held up were what the English archers showed the French knights before slaughtering them in such battles as Agincourt. You use those two fingers to draw your bow. Those were also the fingers they'd cut off if an archer was captured... Supposedly, they would also yell, "pluck yew", as that's what they did with their wood (yew, specifically). I'm not sure if I buy this last part... On a similar note there were (again supposedly) some female archers (not in England) who were so dedicated that they would have one of their breasts removed so it wouldn't get in the way of shooting... Kirk (so geeky he reads history even out of school...) From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 3 22:05:34 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA00886 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 22:05:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA22501 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 14:53:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id A91C33A03F2; Wed, 03 Feb 1999 14:53:00 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990203145911.00fe05e0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 15:00:27 -0500 To: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: the little wave Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <8525670D.00575171.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Okay, I'll bite, what do you think it means over there? (Poor old Winston Churchill making the V for Victory sign, now he must be thought rather poorly of.) Chris Norloff At 10:52 AM 2/3/99 , christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX wrote: >Don't try this if you visit the UK some day... They interpret that > particular sign a slightly different way. =^) > >From: Bikes R Us >Personally, >I give people a peace sign... >---------------------------------------------------------------- >The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to >which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged >material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or >taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or >entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received >this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any >computer. > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 3 22:05:43 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA00906 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 22:05:35 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA20644 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 14:26:50 -0500 (EST) Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id OAA02116; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 14:24:48 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma001608; Wed, 3 Feb 99 14:23:12 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F6L0077AF6TBL@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 14:23:18 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 8525670D.006A3A8B ; Wed, 03 Feb 1999 14:20:17 -0500 Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 14:13:17 -0500 Subject: Re: the little wave To: Bikes R Us Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <8525670D.0069AB4F.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL If you give someone the peace sign in Britain, it's roughly equivalent to the middle finger here in the states. If you do the peace sign with palm facing the recipient it means "peace." With the back of the hand facing the recipient, it means "f*ck you, arsehole." Small distinction, I know, but it apparently makes all the difference. Chris Weaver From: Bikes R Us Not that I'm likely to get over to the UK anytime soon (the jet's in the shop, ya know), but I'll bite. What does the peace sign mean over there? ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 3 22:05:59 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA00928 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 22:05:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA20937 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 14:32:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA20838 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 14:32:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (known saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA01981 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 14:32:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (uhura.concentric.net [206.173.118.93]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA19979 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 14:32:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from viking.cris.com (viking [206.173.119.81]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id OAA12168; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 14:32:46 -0500 (EST) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Errors-To: Received: from localhost by viking.cris.com (8.8.5) id OAA13100; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 14:32:46 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 14:32:46 -0500 (EST) From: "Hugh A. Caldwell" To: Leon Begeman cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Saturday In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19990203034712.006cb7b8@illuminet.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Could you tell us more about the Crotona Midnight Run or a URL? Thanks, ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek 97PGT ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- On Tue, 2 Feb 1999, Leon Begeman wrote: > Crotona Midnight Run! Even if it snows, we go! > > Leon. > > At 08:31 PM 2/2/99 -0500, you wrote: > >I don't know what the weather forecast is but... > > 1.) My wife will be out of town > > 2.) My GPz lives again > > 3.) I haven't been on a "ride" in quite some time. > > > >Anyone else up for something? > > > >-Mb > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Morris Berman, berman@XXXXXX > >'96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. > > > > Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to > > cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 3 23:54:00 1999 Return-Path: garicao@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA01580 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 23:53:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (garicao@XXXXXX [151.200.199.10]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id XAA25087 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 23:53:47 -0500 (EST) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id XAA24772; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 23:54:43 -0500 Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 23:54:43 -0500 (EST) From: Garcia Oliver To: Chris Norloff cc: "Crishock, Richard" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: getting hit by cagers (was: Helmets and visors and tabs) In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990203145133.018bccf0@mail.toward.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I've had several clutch cables break, had my hand slip off the clutch lever, been stung on the hand, and gotten a cramp in the clutch hand (not all of these at the same time). No cars have run up my ass while I've been stopped. As a result, my preference is to be in neutral at a stop, and keep an eye on my mirror. YMMV. --garcia On Wed, 3 Feb 1999, Chris Norloff wrote: > At 09:59 AM 2/3/99 , Crishock, Richard wrote: > >And as for cables breaking, it happens. My point was that if you are in > >first gear at an intersection WHEN the cable breaks, you could get > >launched into cross traffic. I wasn't advocating neutral use to save > >the cable. Maybe it isn't a very good point, but there it is ;). > > I see your point, and it would be nasty if it happened. I think there's > more danger from being hit from behind. That's partly influenced by having > over 100,000 miles on old bikes with clutch cables that never broke. > > Perhaps covering a brake, just in case, would be a suitable compromise for > a rider? > > Chris Norloff > > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 4 01:39:18 1999 Return-Path: jckozyn@XXXXXX Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA03555 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 01:39:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id BAA01382; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 01:38:58 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36B96B5F.41A2@mnsinc.com> Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 01:41:51 -0800 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles CC: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" Subject: Re: Feb 12, Baltimore Motorcycle Show. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" > The scenery is nice at Hooter's and all that, but their so called hot > wings jsut don't measure up. As compared to my "mild/medium hot" wings > that the other superbowl partyers can vouch for. > > What was it you said John K.? Those are some beer drinkin wings or > something like that ;-) Beer is not only suggested with your wings Collin, it's mandatory! Ummm, having said that I think I prefer your wife's milder-style wings (!) JK From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 4 08:39:39 1999 Return-Path: Turnip@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA11398 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 08:39:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (uhura.concentric.net [206.173.118.93]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA19590 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 08:39:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from viking.cris.com (viking [206.173.119.81]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id IAA02730; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 08:39:31 -0500 (EST) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Errors-To: Received: from localhost by viking.cris.com (8.8.5) id IAA11632; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 08:39:31 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 08:39:30 -0500 (EST) From: "Hugh A. Caldwell" To: Kirk Roy cc: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: the little wave In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII >On a similar note there were (again supposedly) some female archers (not >in England) who were so dedicated that they would have one of their >breasts removed so it wouldn't get in the way of shooting... Them thar would be Amazons. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek 97PGT ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 4 08:44:25 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA11475 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 08:44:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA04542 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 08:44:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from ckgppxy1.proxy.att.com (known ckmsfw1.att.com [12.20.58.157]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA26624 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 08:44:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from dcn73.dcn.att.com ([135.44.68.33]) by ckgppxy1.proxy.att.com (AT&T/IPNS/GW-1.0) with SMTP id IAA25942 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 08:43:48 -0500 (EST) Received: by dcn73.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BE501A.701775B0@XXXXXX>; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 08:43:29 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Carver, John" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Strange Dream Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 08:43:28 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Had a strange dream last night that I fell compelled to share . . . . (It definitely differs from the usual banter about imaginary squids with lottery money crashing brand new Bimotas or whatever) I was riding along on my own fabricated cruiser with twin VFR800 engines in it and everyone I met, (notably faceless members of the DC cycles list), were warning me " . . .not to highside". My fabrication also had trouble running for some reason. I think it was due to the "dual engine" configuration. Strange . . huh??? John 98 VFR From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 4 08:47:11 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA11563 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 08:47:09 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199902041347.IAA11563@meretrix.com> Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id <1HXPSZBM>; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 05:46:55 -0800 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: MD Police.. Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 05:46:50 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Saw a MD cop on a HD with hack cruising up 95 this morning.. nice looking outfit. funny enough, the guy was holding up traffic in the left lane.. :P Brian From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 4 11:09:19 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA13586 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 11:09:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA06669 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 11:09:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (known iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA01934 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 11:09:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Thu, 04 Feb 1999 11:08:06 -0500 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 04 Feb 1999 11:08:00 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 12:07:38 -0500 From: JOE NAGY To: rcrishock@XXXXXX, HolmesM@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Helmets and visors and tabs -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Well, it did save my butt once, after checking my mirrors and guessing that the BDC didn't see the red light, the line of cars behind it, or me behind them. I motored up the side of the lane to two cars ahead of me, the driver of that car gives me a "what's going on" kinda look, then BLAM! BDC drives into the trunk of the car I was behind at about 35 mph. I figure the Ninja's wheelbase woulda been reduced drastically. FWIW. Joe '85 zx 900 >>> "Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO" - 2/3/99 8:01 AM >>> The reason for holding the clutch in (and being in first gear) is quicker reaction time if something "fishy" begins at the intersection. The way my MSF instructor put it, many cagers claim they don't see a motorcycle until it's too late to stop. If you're in first gear and watching your mirrors as the vehicle behind you approaches, you can quickly get out of the way. I think that's right. If not, the more experienced riders will chime in soon. Mitch -----Original Message----- From: Crishock, Richard [mailto:rcrishock@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 1999 7:43 AM To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' Subject: Re: Helmets and visors and tabs Does the MSF really say to hold the clutch in at red lights? Hmmmm. From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 4 11:25:52 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA14006 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 11:25:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA06965 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 11:25:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (known cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA02449 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 11:25:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from mscex.mailteam.uscg.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA13999; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 11:02:57 -0500 (EST) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 11:27:34 -0500 Message-ID: <904D6E6114A7D211ACCD006008A37EBD032B2A@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LT" To: "'Carver, John'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Strange Dream Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 11:27:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Twin VFR motored bike!! You are strange man!!! :) Don't be getting any ideas when you go to the bike show in Atlanta and come across the Boss Hoss on display!! ;-) On Thursday, February 04, 1999 8:53 AM, Carver, John [SMTP:jcarver@XXXXXX] wrote: > Had a strange dream last night that I fell compelled to share . . . . > > I was riding along on my own fabricated cruiser with twin VFR800 engines From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 4 11:33:46 1999 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA14225 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 11:33:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA05078 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 10:50:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Thu, 04 Feb 1999 10:49:38 -0500 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 04 Feb 1999 10:49:34 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 11:49:09 -0500 From: JOE NAGY To: JinnSinn@XXXXXX, bike.dealer@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: International bike show pics -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Wanna have fun? Next time your goldfish vendor or whomever asks you for your Zip, give'em something like P0X 1K0. (Nestor Falls, Ontario). :-) Joe From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 4 11:34:00 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA14236 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 11:33:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA28414 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 10:23:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA05813 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 10:23:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from min.net (known min.net [208.222.210.19]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA00405 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 10:23:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from hamilton.arl.mil (hamilton.arl.mil [131.218.195.67]) by min.net (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA22934; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 10:23:14 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 10:20:25 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: Morris Berman To: "Carver, John" cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: Strange Dream In-Reply-To: Message-ID: X-X-Sender: berman@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Tell us about your mother... -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, berman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL(DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C)#446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams On Thu, 4 Feb 1999, Carver, John wrote: > Had a strange dream last night that I fell compelled to share . . . . > > (It definitely differs from the usual banter about imaginary squids with > lottery money crashing brand new Bimotas or whatever) > > I was riding along on my own fabricated cruiser with twin VFR800 engines > in it and everyone I met, (notably faceless members of the DC cycles > list), were warning me " . . .not to highside". > > My fabrication also had trouble running for some reason. I think it was > due to the "dual engine" configuration. > > Strange . . huh??? > > John > 98 VFR > From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 4 11:33:52 1999 Return-Path: adl64@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA14231 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 11:33:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from radagast.wizard.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA29054 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 10:25:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from anita (tc3-s23.wizard.net [206.161.15.145]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA17082; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 10:25:07 -0500 Message-ID: <001201be5053$c2c439e0$910fa1ce@anita> From: "Anita Lauro" To: Cc: Subject: Re: (Fwd) Motorcycle Insurance [Bikeline] Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 10:33:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 No, actually, it's for a GPZ. The GPZ model number is ZX1100E. I'm not sure what the model number for a ZX-11 is, maybe just ZX-11? And, since the GPZ shares the same engine as the ZX-11, it is sometimes put in the same category by insurance companies... that's why Progressive quoted me $1793.00 to insure it. Bikeline is a lot more reasonable at $664, but State Farm will keep my business at $323.40. I suspect that if I did get a ZX-11, I'd still pay about the same at State Farm since they go strictly by engine size. Anita -----Original Message----- From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX To: Anita Lauro <2xracers@XXXXXX> Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thursday, February 04, 1999 9:17 AM Subject: Re: (Fwd) Motorcycle Insurance [Bikeline] >Ummm, Anita? > >The quote you posted below is for a ZX-11 ... Don't you have a GPZ1100? I >think those two bikes would probably get rather different $quotes$. :-) > >--chris From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 4 11:34:12 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA14244 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 11:34:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA23110 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 09:47:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta4.mcit.com (omta4.mcit.com [166.37.204.6]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id NAA30099; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 13:45:34 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta4.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990204144613.CHHN23797@toddnt>; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 08:46:13 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Custer, Carl" , "'DCCy'" Subject: RE: Left-Lane Hogs Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 09:44:54 -0500 Message-ID: <000d01be504c$edc3c7c0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Carl Custer wrote: > When all else fails, I pass them on the right adding short beeps because > I'll be in their blind spot a tad longer than had I passed them > on the left > and it = "you irritated me so here's something for you" > > "So, what? Instead of flashing your lights you need to beep the horn? It > could be argued from the defending position that they never heard > your horn. > Considering the pitiful little horns on most bikes, they'd have a good > defense." > > Try Pep Boys: Air horns (Stebel or Fiamm?) or Hi-way Blasters (Blazer?) > Either is less than $30. Mounting is sometime challenging but go > to 14 & K > NW for ideas. But -- while loud horns are a great safety asset, being > visible is better. So, please stay out of the cagers' blind spots. I have the German Hella Horns mounted in addition to the stocker. They're just a little louder than the Fiamm electrics, which are pretty damned loud. Maybe I should have said that "Considering the attitudes of the left lane hogger, their defense could simply be I didn't hear them". Radio too loud, hard of hearing, or just plain don't give a crap about the guy on the motorcycle behind you. Whatever. I do the same thing you do, pass on the right, but without the horns. And because I'm either lunatic, dangerous or both, I usually swing back into the passing lane at a considerably close distance to the offender with middle finger extended. Ahhh, road rage! Todd From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 4 11:34:19 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA14259 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 11:34:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA21688 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 09:19:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id AC57A1803EE; Thu, 04 Feb 1999 09:19:06 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990204092118.02c96950@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 09:26:29 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Brit vs. American hand signs Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I emailed a fellow BMW rider in England about peace signs, and this is what he said. I particularly like the part about "sit and spin". ***************************************************************************** Ok Chris, here comes the history lesson... The "Two fingered salute" dates back to the days of the English Longbow men (archers) and how they were the scourge of the French knights. The French were reputed to have said that any archer taken would have his two fingers chopped off - the ones you use to draw the arrow and fire the bow. So, at the next battle - Agincourt I think (but it could have been any of them battles - Crecy, Poitiers etc), the english archers "showed" their two fingers to the French, along, no doubt, with several colourful metaphors, along the lines of "go forth and multiply", "your parentage is somewhat suspect", "your mother is a seamstress" and so on. Basically, your friend is quite correct, if the two fingers are faced out, it's just like the sit and spin, if it's as in the number two, as in counting, it's peace. Chruchill, however, wasn't exactly very careful, and was frequently telling people to fuck off when he meant peace. Oh well never mind... I recall reminding the French when I worked for Eurotunnel of those little places - Crecy, Poitiers, Agincourt, Trafalgar, Waterloo, and finally, Twickenham. Twickenham wasn't a battle, by the way - it's the national stadium for Rugby Union, and us and the frenchies don't get along too well at that, although they've beaten us for the last two years, but we did beat them for the previous 9 years before that. Niall Remember, we hate the french - a 1,000 years of english men can't be wrong... From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 4 11:34:23 1999 Return-Path: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA14269 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 11:34:19 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA21685 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 09:19:47 -0500 (EST) Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id JAA00336; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 09:17:48 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma000042; Thu, 4 Feb 99 09:17:34 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F6M003MAVNOYS@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 09:17:40 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 8525670E.004E2509 ; Thu, 04 Feb 1999 09:13:26 -0500 Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 09:11:33 -0500 Subject: Re: (Fwd) Motorcycle Insurance [Bikeline] To: Anita Lauro <2xracers@XXXXXX> Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <8525670E.004DB977.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Ummm, Anita? The quote you posted below is for a ZX-11 ... Don't you have a GPZ1100? I think those two bikes would probably get rather different $quotes$. :-) --chris To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: (bcc: Christopher Meier/P I/Arlington VA/C&L/US) From: Anita Lauro <2xracers@XXXXXX> Date: 02/03/99 09:58:30 PM GMT Subject: (Fwd) Motorcycle Insurance [Bikeline] Interesting... Bikeline would cost me $300 more per year for the GPZ (almost 2x as much). I'm guessing they have some sort of model classifications, unlike State Farm. Insurance definitely seems to be hit or miss.. with no apparent reasoning for the differences from company to company. Definitely have to shop around... and it looks like I'll be with State Farm for many years to come! :-) Anita ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date sent: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 16:10:46 -0500 From: "WWW Bikeline" To: 2xracers@XXXXXX Subject: Motorcycle Insurance Thank you for responding to our On-line Quote form. 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From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 4 11:42:39 1999 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA14455 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 11:42:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Thu, 04 Feb 1999 11:41:56 -0500 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 04 Feb 1999 11:41:49 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 12:41:03 -0500 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, bike.dealer@XXXXXX Subject: Triumph Sprint ST -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline I like the line in the Drifter ad about "authentic styling." Right. The ZRX is more like it, folks. Joe >>> Bikes R Us - 2/3/99 1:44 PM >>> I know a lot of you went to the bike show in NYC and probably already saw one of these, but if you didn't make the show and would like to check one out, we have one of them on the floor now. This is one of the bikes I've been waiting impatiently to see. I like it. I'm still waiting for the V-Star 1100, the Drifter, the R6, and the Hayabusa! JohnDavid@Bikes R Us ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 4 11:45:19 1999 Return-Path: Carl.Custer@XXXXXX Received: from dchqexs1.fsis.usda.gov (wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa [199.128.203.12] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA14532 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 11:45:18 -0500 (EST) Received: by wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 11:44:28 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'Todd Peer'" Cc: "'DCCy'" Subject: RE: Left-Lane Hogs Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 11:44:27 -0500 Sensitivity: Personal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain > I have the German Hella Horns mounted in addition to the stocker. They're > just a little louder than the Fiamm electrics, which are pretty damned > loud. [Carl sez] But, the Fiamm-Stebels are < $30 a pair. How (cough) much are the Hellas (cough)? I too have also kept the stock horns (on my Honda) and can select with a DPDT switch in case I need a friendly "beep" in lieu of a &%#@!! > Maybe I should have said that "Considering the attitudes of the left lane > hogger, their defense could simply be I didn't hear them". Radio too > loud, > hard of hearing, or just plain don't give a crap about the guy on the > motorcycle behind you. [Carl sez] I used to drive an ambulance (35 yr ago in college) even with the radios of that era, I'd often encounter folks who didn't hear the siren. I believe our primary problems is people not paying attention to the road. Thus, a weave when approaching a car tracks your headlight across their retinas and is more likely to get their attention. > Whatever. I do the same thing you do, pass on the right, but without the > horns. [Carl sez] I like the repeated short beeps to both announce my presence while transversing their blind spot and to perhaps irritate them for their rude behavior. But, I believe most LLH's are ignorant of road courtesy or worse believe they are making the roads safer by slowing the left lane - instead, they are forcing the speeders closer to the exit-entrance ramps. Dumbasses. >:^( thus, Hanlon's Razor "Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity." Carl in Bethesda > From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 4 11:46:33 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA14543 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 11:46:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA07252 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 11:46:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com (known imo11.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.1]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA03298 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 11:46:26 -0500 (EST) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo11.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id HNMJa04317; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 11:42:50 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 11:42:50 EST To: jcarver@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Strange Dream Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 DC Cycles Promotes Safety Even In Dreams! LOL In a message dated 2/4/99 8:48:45 AM Eastern Standard Time, jcarver@XXXXXX writes: > I was riding along on my own fabricated cruiser with twin VFR800 engines > in it and everyone I met, (notably faceless members of the DC cycles > list), were warning me " . . .not to highside". From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 4 12:42:22 1999 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA15818 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 12:42:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from mscex.mailteam.uscg.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA19621 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 12:19:49 -0500 (EST) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 12:44:26 -0500 Message-ID: <904D6E6114A7D211ACCD006008A37EBD032B2D@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LT" To: "'dc'" Subject: Knievel Jump Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 12:44:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Anyone hear about this?? Haven't seen any commercials for it...guessing it's on the Guinness record s show.. Robbie Knievel will attempt a 180-foot motorcycle jump between buildings on Robbie Knievel Building-to-Building Death Jump Live at 8:00 pm (EST) on where else (you guessed it) -- Fox-TV. From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 4 12:54:49 1999 Return-Path: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA16016 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 12:54:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA12200 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 12:54:40 -0500 (EST) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id D2MPXNSR; Thu, 04 Feb 1999 12:54:10 EST To: kirk@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: two fingers Message-ID: <19990204.120857.5175.1.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 5-30 From: Bikes R Us Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 12:54:10 EST Thanks for the history lesson. I love history (now--hated it in school). The female warriors you mention were the Amazons. And they did, in fact, remove the boob on their throwing arm side (spears) or their draw side (bows). I think they'd have forsaken both of them but I guess they needed to keep one for feeding babies in the ages before Similac. I doubt seriously that any of them looked like Lucy Lawless, either. 8^) JohnDavid@Bikes R Us On Wed, 3 Feb 1999 14:32:02 -0500 (EST) Kirk Roy writes: >On Wed, 3 Feb 1999, Ray wrote: >> It means the same as the middle finger here. > >Two fingers held up were what the English archers showed the French >knights before slaughtering them in such battles as Agincourt. You use >those two fingers to draw your bow. Those were also the fingers they'd >cut >off if an archer was captured... > >Supposedly, they would also yell, "pluck yew", as that's what they did >with their wood (yew, specifically). I'm not sure if I buy this last >part... > >On a similar note there were (again supposedly) some female archers >(not >in England) who were so dedicated that they would have one of their >breasts removed so it wouldn't get in the way of shooting... > >Kirk (so geeky he reads history even out of school...) > > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 4 13:02:59 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA16191 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 13:02:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id A0BBF22C014A; Thu, 04 Feb 1999 13:02:35 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990204130823.02ca5600@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 13:08:40 -0500 To: "'dc'" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Knievel Jump In-Reply-To: <904D6E6114A7D211ACCD006008A37EBD032B2D@MSCEX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Something Evel comes this way. Chris Norloff At 12:44 PM 2/4/99 , Fagan, Collin LT wrote: >Anyone hear about this?? Haven't seen any commercials for it...guessing >it's on the Guinness record s show.. > >Robbie Knievel will attempt a 180-foot motorcycle jump between buildings on >Robbie Knievel Building-to-Building > Death Jump Live at 8:00 pm (EST) on where else (you guessed it) -- >Fox-TV. From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 4 13:15:00 1999 Return-Path: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA16348 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 13:14:58 -0500 (EST) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo20.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 9SOGa19752; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 13:13:24 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <635e605b.36b9e344@aol.com> Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 13:13:24 EST To: cfagan@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Knievel Jump Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 it IS. I saw a preview for it on TV the other night. -Marcy In a message dated 2/4/99 12:51:14 PM Eastern Standard Time, cfagan@XXXXXX writes: > guessing > it's on the Guinness record s show.. From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 4 13:38:39 1999 Return-Path: fnord@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA16769 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 13:38:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from sasami.jurai.net (fnord@XXXXXX [207.153.65.3]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA14706 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 13:38:30 -0500 (EST) Received: (from fnord@localhost) by sasami.jurai.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) id NAA05571; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 13:38:25 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 13:38:25 -0500 From: Elie Rosenblum To: Todd Peer Cc: "Custer, Carl" , "'DCCy'" Subject: Re: RE: Left-Lane Hogs Message-ID: <19990204133824.A5212@cosanostra.net> References: <000d01be504c$edc3c7c0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95i In-Reply-To: <000d01be504c$edc3c7c0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com>; from Todd Peer on Thu, Feb 04, 1999 at 09:44:54AM -0500 X-Illuminati: Can you see the fnords? X-Cthulhu: HASTUR And thus spake Todd Peer, on Thu, Feb 04, 1999 at 09:44:54AM -0500: > > Try Pep Boys: Air horns (Stebel or Fiamm?) or Hi-way Blasters (Blazer?) > > Either is less than $30. Mounting is sometime challenging but go > > to 14 & K > > NW for ideas. But -- while loud horns are a great safety asset, being > > visible is better. So, please stay out of the cagers' blind spots. > > I have the German Hella Horns mounted in addition to the stocker. They're > just a little louder than the Fiamm electrics, which are pretty damned loud. McMaster-Carr (www.mcmaster.com (really cool industrial supply company)) sells nice air horns for cheap. I got the 117dB at 10 feet one with a replacable cartridge (they sell cartridges and horn units, as well). There's a slightly more expensive one that produces 120dB at 10 feet, that has a small hand pump for recharging. I'm probably going to just tie-wrap the horn inside my fairing where I can reach it with my left thumb, an inch or so from the stock horn button. Not really worth the wiring for a remote solenoid switch... They also sell really nice kevlar gloves and sleeves, among other nice safety and shop equipment. -- Elie Rosenblum That is not dead which can eternal lie, http://www.cosanostra.net And with strange aeons even death may die. Admin / Mercenary / System Programmer - _The Necromicon_ From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 4 13:59:57 1999 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA17174 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 13:59:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Thu, 04 Feb 1999 13:59:05 -0500 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 04 Feb 1999 13:59:04 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 14:58:38 -0500 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, cfagan@XXXXXX Subject: Knievel Jump -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Isn't that the same guy giving riding lessons to Crash Bandicoot on TV? Oh, and is anyone going to Summit Point for Tune & Test Day April 1? I was thinking of bringin the Mosquito Fogger for a dialing-in. Joe RD 400F 2-smoker >>> "Fagan, Collin LT" - 2/4/99 12:44 PM >>> Anyone hear about this?? Haven't seen any commercials for it...guessing it's on the Guinness record s show.. Robbie Knievel will attempt a 180-foot motorcycle jump between buildings on Robbie Knievel Building-to-Building Death Jump Live at 8:00 pm (EST) on where else (you guessed it) -- Fox-TV. From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 4 14:12:44 1999 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (radagast.wizard.net [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA17419 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 14:12:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from crxja001.wachovia.com ([199.4.241.53]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA07236 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 14:12:00 -0500 Message-Id: <199902041912.OAA07236@radagast.wizard.net> From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 14:10:04 -0500 Subject: Re: Knievel Jump -Reply Priority: normal In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) On 4 Feb 99, at 14:58, JOE NAGY wrote: > Oh, and is anyone going to Summit Point for Tune & Test Day April 1? I > was thinking of bringin the Mosquito Fogger for a dialing-in. What exactly is a "Tune & Test Day?" Anita From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 4 14:19:01 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA17519 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 14:18:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id A29A373027C; Thu, 04 Feb 1999 14:18:50 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990204131631.02c6b7a0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 13:18:27 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: two fingers In-Reply-To: <19990204.120857.5175.1.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:54 PM 2/4/99 , Bikes R Us wrote: >Thanks for the history lesson. I love history (now--hated it in school). >The female warriors you mention were the Amazons. And they did, in fact, >remove the boob on their throwing arm side (spears) or their draw side >(bows). I think they'd have forsaken both of them but I guess they needed >to keep one for feeding babies in the ages before Similac. I doubt >seriously that any of them looked like Lucy Lawless, either. 8^) >JohnDavid@Bikes R Us But they all followed the rule that male warriors wore shirts and pants, and female warriors wore mini-skirts, kept their middriff bare, and wore decorative and uplifting breast ornamentation ... right? But TV programs wouldn't lie, would they? Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 4 14:38:42 1999 Return-Path: dthompso1@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.157]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA17924 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 14:38:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from world1.bellatlantic.net.world7.bellatlantic.net ([209.3.159.15]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA21797 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 14:40:25 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199902041940.OAA21797@smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net> From: "Danny Thompson" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 14:40:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Bikes R Us Priority: normal In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) John, Where is your shop located? I am relatively new to the area and need to find good shops with people I can trust. Thanks Danny Thompson '96 VFR '93 DR 350 '88 4Runner w/ ragtop From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 4 14:48:28 1999 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA18089 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 14:48:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mscex.mailteam.uscg.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA00349; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 14:25:56 -0500 (EST) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 14:50:33 -0500 Message-ID: <904D6E6114A7D211ACCD006008A37EBD032B3A@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LT" To: "'Anita Lauro'" <2xracers@XXXXXX>, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Knievel Jump -Reply Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 14:50:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Tune & Test day is a day set up for racers to go out to the track and get their machines ready for racing. Some folks use it solely for the track time, while others are busy working on engine tuning, gearing selection, tire selection, you name it. It won't cost anything to get in the gate, so if ya want to see bikes zipping along the track and can sneak out of work on a Thursday, it should be a good time. If you can't make it out to that, then come out the weekend of April 10-11 for the WERA home opener at Summit Point. On Thursday, February 04, 1999 2:29 PM, Anita Lauro [SMTP:2xracers@XXXXXX] wrote: > On 4 Feb 99, at 14:58, JOE NAGY wrote: > > > Oh, and is anyone going to Summit Point for Tune & Test Day April 1? I > > was thinking of bringin the Mosquito Fogger for a dialing-in. > > What exactly is a "Tune & Test Day?" > > Anita From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 4 14:57:12 1999 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (radagast.wizard.net [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA18248 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 14:57:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from crxja001.wachovia.com ([199.4.241.53]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA12839; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 14:56:47 -0500 Message-Id: <199902041956.OAA12839@radagast.wizard.net> From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: "Fagan, Collin LT" Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 14:54:47 -0500 Subject: RE: Knievel Jump -Reply CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Priority: normal In-reply-to: <904D6E6114A7D211ACCD006008A37EBD032B3A@MSCEX> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) On 4 Feb 99, at 14:50, Fagan, Collin LT wrote: > It won't cost anything to get in the gate, so if ya want to see bikes > zipping along the track and can sneak out of work on a Thursday, it should > be a good time. If you can't make it out to that, then come out the weekend > of April 10-11 for the WERA home opener at Summit Point. Sneak out of work? Sounds great to me! If it's a nice day I'll be there! :-) Anita From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 4 15:05:56 1999 Return-Path: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA18407 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 15:05:54 -0500 (EST) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id D2MXE9JW; Thu, 04 Feb 1999 15:05:00 EST To: cfagan@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Knievel Jump Message-ID: <19990204.134840.5167.0.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: <904D6E6114A7D211ACCD006008A37EBD032B2D@mscex> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-3,5-16 From: Bikes R Us Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 15:05:00 EST What night is this show on? Is it tonight? Gotta see that! JohnDavid@Bikes R Us On Thu, 4 Feb 1999 12:44:24 -0500 "Fagan, Collin LT" writes: >Anyone hear about this?? Haven't seen any commercials for >it...guessing >it's on the Guinness record s show.. > >Robbie Knievel will attempt a 180-foot motorcycle jump between >buildings on >Robbie Knievel Building-to-Building > Death Jump Live at 8:00 pm (EST) on where else (you guessed it) >-- >Fox-TV. > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 4 16:06:06 1999 Return-Path: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA19567 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 16:06:05 -0500 (EST) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo20.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id CGBOa19752; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 15:58:37 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <70e86687.36ba09fd@aol.com> Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 15:58:37 EST To: cnorloff@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: two fingers Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 as a descendent of Vikings .... the answer is: yes dear - of course they did ;D In a message dated 2/4/99 2:30:06 PM Eastern Standard Time, cnorloff@XXXXXX writes: > But they all followed the rule that male warriors wore shirts and pants, > and female warriors wore mini-skirts, kept their middriff bare, and wore > decorative and uplifting breast ornamentation ... right? From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 4 20:20:44 1999 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (imo22.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.66]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA23796 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 20:20:43 -0500 (EST) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo22.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id OPLHa01433; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 20:00:12 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: <3573eb8a.36ba429c@aol.com> Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 20:00:12 EST To: 2xracers@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Jeez yall Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 2/1/99 12:03:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, 2xracers@XXXXXX writes: << I don't know about anyone else, but I believed Jack's post because the stage was "set" by the original post. >> I never believed Jack, but it didn't really bother me that he told a tall tale. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 4 21:17:18 1999 Return-Path: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com (imo21.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.65]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA24699 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 21:17:17 -0500 (EST) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo21.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id SXDTa07798 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 21:08:20 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: <1c2f57ca.36ba5294@aol.com> Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 21:08:20 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Bike's fixed Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 With some advice from Tom at the Superbowl party last Sunday, I bought a new battery and the bike fired right up. Apparently my old battery wasn't holding the charge from the tender. Thanks Tom and whoever the guy was that jump started it after the party. Scooter From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 4 23:19:45 1999 Return-Path: zellto@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.156]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA26540 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 23:19:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from zellto (adsl-151-200-16-190.bellatlantic.net [151.200.16.190]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id XAA05208; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 23:19:22 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <002a01be50bf$1d29b200$be10c897@zellto.bellatlantic.net> From: "Thomas and Jeannette" To: , Subject: Re: Bike's fixed Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 23:22:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Glad to know I could be of some assistance! Keep the rubber side down! ... and thanks for stopping by the party... it was nice meeting you. -Tom '86 VFR750 -----Original Message----- From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thursday, February 04, 1999 9:31 PM Subject: Bike's fixed >With some advice from Tom at the Superbowl party last Sunday, I bought a new >battery and the bike fired right up. Apparently my old battery wasn't holding >the charge from the tender. Thanks Tom and whoever the guy was that jump >started it after the party. > >Scooter > From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 5 08:35:17 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA06066 for ; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 08:35:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA22211 for ; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 08:35:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.navsea.navy.mil (known relay.navsea.navy.mil [140.195.79.11]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA06809 for ; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 08:35:11 -0500 (EST) From: Patton_Jim@XXXXXX Received: from gw2.hq.navsea.navy.mil (gw2.hq.navsea.navy.mil [140.195.79.12]) by relay.navsea.navy.mil (8.6.9/1.9) with SMTP id IAA12355 for ; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 08:49:34 -0500 Received: from ccMail by gw2.hq.navsea.navy.mil (IMA Internet Exchange 2.12 Enterprise) id 002DE303; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 08:31:54 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 08:25:00 -0500 Message-ID: <002DE303.1554@hq.navsea.navy.mil> Subject: Motorcycles and Bicycle Racing To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Motorcycles and Bicycle Racing Do you need an excuse to ride your motor? Do you enjoy being around athletes? Does helping with sports events on your motorcycle interest you? And have you ever convinced anyone to pay for ANY of your expenses while you are riding? This might be your opportunity to merge all of these deep fantasies. The local bicycle racing group will be training referees, including motorcycle referees during March. The clinic which focuses on the entry level official will be held at the Crofton Library on March 27 (9:30-4:30). The clinic will cover all the basics bicycle racing and how the referees cover the events. There is a licensing exam. While the clinic is free, the license does cost $35 once you have passed the test. For full details, including pre-clinic reading materials, contact Jim Patton, PattonJ@XXXXXX, 301-332-3358. From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 5 08:53:23 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA06305 for ; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 08:53:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA22386 for ; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 08:53:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (known saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA07187 for ; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 08:53:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (imo17.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.7]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA13234 for ; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 08:53:14 -0500 (EST) From: Eternity23@XXXXXX Received: from Eternity23@XXXXXX by imo17.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id NIPCa03212 for ; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 08:52:37 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <78dbb82c.36baf7a5@aol.com> Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 08:52:37 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Brit vs. American hand signs - Little Wave predates British bowmen. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 205 Here's the skinny, from Cecil Adams, researcher extrodinaire. Dear Cecil: Can you confirm the following? It sounds rather fishy to me. --Adam Koford, Salt Lake City, Utah Adam encloses the following memo, which has been floating around the net for some months: "Subject: Truth About the Finger "In the film Titanic the character Rose is shown giving the finger to Jack, another character. Many people who have seen the film question whether 'giving the finger' was done around the time of the Titanic disaster, or was it a more recent gesture invented by some defiant seventh-grader. According to research, here's the true story: "Before the Battle of Agincourt in 1415, the French, anticipating victory over the English, proposed to cut off the middle finger of all captured English soldiers. Without the middle finger it would be impossible to draw the renowned English longbow and therefore [soldiers would] be incapable of fighting in the future. This famous weapon was made of the native English yew tree, and the act of drawing the longbow was known as 'plucking the yew.' Much to the bewilderment of the French, the English won a major upset and began mocking the French by waving their middle fingers at the defeated French, saying, 'See, we can still pluck yew!' "Over the years some 'folk etymologies' have grown up around this symbolic gesture. Since 'pluck yew' is rather difficult to say, like "pheasant mother plucker," which is who you had to go to for the feathers used on the arrows for the longbow, the difficult consonant cluster at the beginning has gradually changed to a labiodental fricative 'F,' and thus the words often used in conjunction with the one-finger salute are mistakenly thought to have something to do with an intimate encounter. It is also because of the pheasant feathers on the arrows that the gesture is known as 'giving the bird.' "And yew all thought yew knew everything!" Cecil Adams replies: Uh huh. Now for the facts. The "one-finger salute," or at any rate sexual gestures involving the middle finger, are thousands of years old. In Gestures: Their Origins and Distribution, Desmond Morris and colleagues note that the digitus infamis or digitus impudicus (infamous or indecent finger) is mentioned several times in the literature of ancient Rome. Turning to our vast classical library, we quickly turn up three references. Two are from the epigrammatist Martial: "Laugh loudly, Sextillus, when someone calls you a queen and put your middle finger out." (The verse continues: "But you are no sodomite nor fornicator either, Sextillus, nor is Vetustina's hot mouth your fancy." Martial, and Roman poets in general, could be pretty out there, subject- matter-wise. Another verse begins: "You love to be sodomized, Papylus ...") In the other reference Martial writes that a certain party "points a finger, an indecent one, at" some other people. The historian Suetonius, writing about Augustus Caesar, says the emperor "expelled [the entertainer] Pylades ... because when a spectator started to hiss, he called the attention of the whole audience to him with an obscene movement of his middle finger." Morris also claims that the mad emperor Caligula, as an insult, would extend his middle finger for supplicants to kiss. It's not known whether one displayed the digitus infamis in the same manner that we (well, you) flip the bird today. In another of his books Morris describes a variety of sexual insults involving the middle finger, such as the "middle-finger down prod," the "middle-finger erect," etc, all of which are different from the classic middle-finger jerk. But let's not quibble. The point is, the middle-finger/phallus equation goes back way before the Titanic, the Battle of Agincourt, or probably even that time Sextillus cut off Pylades with his chariot. And I ain't kidding yew. --CECIL ADAMS Copyright 1998 Chicago Reader From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 5 08:59:19 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA06382 for ; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 08:59:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA22435 for ; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 08:59:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from ckgppxy1.proxy.att.com (known ckmsfw1.att.com [12.20.58.157]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA07328 for ; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 08:58:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from dcn73.dcn.att.com ([135.44.68.33]) by ckgppxy1.proxy.att.com (AT&T/IPNS/GW-1.0) with SMTP id IAA04014 for ; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 08:58:28 -0500 (EST) Received: by dcn73.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BE50E5.A0B3BFA0@XXXXXX>; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 08:57:58 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Carver, John" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Robbie Knievel Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 08:57:56 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I saw the jump last night. It was over in what seemed like 5 seconds. What was more interesting was watching his daughters and how upset they were with him jumping. You'd think they'd be used to it. I still wonder why he doesn't use racing slicks for dry conditions for better traction as well as full motocross gear to save his chest & other body parts. Did anyone notice on one of his crashes before his jump that his leathers ripped after sliding across the pavement? Hmmmm. I guess it was leather?? John 98VFR From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 5 09:36:25 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA07035 for ; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 09:36:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA22846 for ; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 09:36:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (known iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA08319 for ; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 09:36:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Fri, 05 Feb 1999 09:35:22 -0500 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 05 Feb 1999 09:35:17 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 10:34:25 -0500 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, jcarver@XXXXXX Subject: Robbie Knievel -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Seems the Knievels ain't real big on the riding gear thing. I've seen pics of Evel jumping with no gloves, and he never wore eye protection. Wouldn't your eyes get a little watery trying to line up your ramp at 60+, or is it just me? Why "Kapitan" jumps on Knobbies is beyond me. Joe >>> "Carver, John" - 2/5/99 8:57 AM >>> I saw the jump last night. It was over in what seemed like 5 seconds. What was more interesting was watching his daughters and how upset they were with him jumping. You'd think they'd be used to it. I still wonder why he doesn't use racing slicks for dry conditions for better traction as well as full motocross gear to save his chest & other body parts. Did anyone notice on one of his crashes before his jump that his leathers ripped after sliding across the pavement? Hmmmm. I guess it was leather?? John 98VFR From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 5 10:20:35 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA07735 for ; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 10:20:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id AC3216002A4; Fri, 05 Feb 1999 10:20:18 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990205101334.00ffde80@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 10:21:05 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Robbie Knievel -Reply In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Evel had very little skill with operating a motorcycle, witness his many bad jumps. He was big on show, and big on childish machismo (they had a videotape of him saying something like "if you don't make the jump you have to be man enough to get hurt"). His silly Snake Canyon "jump" was obviously a way to save face after his mouth got him in trouble again. Based on the footage they showed last night, Robbie actually has some riding skill. Rather than merely surviving the jumps, he looked like he knew what he was doing, had developed his skills with practice and was using a bike that was well-balanced (so it doesn't go tail-down or nose-down while in the air). That said, I too wonder about using those knobby tires - but he might actually NOT want them to hook up any more than to get enough traction to launch. Sliding might be safer than hooking up and getting spit off. He passed on most of the safety gear, except for Bates leathers, gloves, helmet, and eye protection. I would expect some sort of body armor, but perhaps he wore that under his leathers, better to keep his daredevil image up. All said, it was an impressive jump. Chris Norloff At 10:34 AM 2/5/99 , you wrote: >Seems the Knievels ain't real big on the riding gear thing. I've seen >pics of Evel jumping with no gloves, and he never wore eye protection. >Wouldn't your eyes get a little watery trying to line up your ramp at >60+, or is it just me? > >Why "Kapitan" jumps on Knobbies is beyond me. > >Joe > >>>> "Carver, John" - 2/5/99 8:57 AM >>> >I saw the jump last night. It was over in what seemed like 5 seconds. >What was more interesting was watching his daughters and how upset they >were with him jumping. You'd think they'd be used to it. > >I still wonder why he doesn't use racing slicks for dry conditions for >better traction as well as full motocross gear to save his chest & other >body parts. > >Did anyone notice on one of his crashes before his jump that his >leathers ripped after sliding across the pavement? Hmmmm. I guess it >was leather?? > >John > >98VFR > From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 5 10:42:03 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA07992 for ; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 10:42:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA23701 for ; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 10:41:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.troutman.org (known www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA10231 for ; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 10:41:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from vulture (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by www.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.56) with SMTP id 421; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 10:41:25 -0500 Message-Id: <4.1.19990205104007.022b2940@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 10:41:21 -0500 To: "Carver, John" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" From: "Mike Troutman" Subject: Re: Robbie Knievel In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:57 AM 2/5/99 , Carver, John wrote: >I saw the jump last night. It was over in what seemed like 5 seconds. >What was more interesting was watching his daughters and how upset they >were with him jumping. You'd think they'd be used to it. It was all faked on a sound stage, just like the moon landing, the Vietnam war and Kennedy's assasination. Damn FOX for their theatrics! ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '91 Nighthawk 750 Naked bike, and too damn cold to ride From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 5 11:02:47 1999 Return-Path: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA08385 for ; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 11:02:44 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id LAA25538; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 11:04:09 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xmaa24810; Fri, 5 Feb 99 11:03:06 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F6O006DOV8XV6@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 11:03:17 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 8525670F.0057E081 ; Fri, 05 Feb 1999 10:59:51 -0500 Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 10:56:03 -0500 Subject: Re: Robbie Knievel To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <8525670F.00574C15.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL You'd also think his daughter would know the words to the National Anthem before singing it live on National TV ... --chris To: "Carver, John" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" cc: From: Mike Troutman Date: 02/05/99 03:41:21 PM GMT Subject: Re: Robbie Knievel At 08:57 AM 2/5/99 , Carver, John wrote: >I saw the jump last night. It was over in what seemed like 5 seconds. >What was more interesting was watching his daughters and how upset they >were with him jumping. You'd think they'd be used to it. ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 5 11:20:30 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA08682 for ; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 11:20:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA24424 for ; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 11:20:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (known saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA11862 for ; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 11:20:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA15262 for ; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 11:20:21 -0500 (EST) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id D2P4X5X6; Fri, 05 Feb 1999 11:20:05 EST To: Eternity23@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Brit vs. American hand signs - Little Wave predates British bowmen. Message-ID: <19990205.103436.5271.1.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: <78dbb82c.36baf7a5@aol.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-122 From: Bikes R Us Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 11:20:05 EST Yew can always count on Cecil Adams for the scoop on just about anything. My favorite part of the City Paper. That and "News of the Weird". JohnDavid@Bikes R Us On Fri, 5 Feb 1999 08:52:37 EST Eternity23@XXXXXX writes: >Here's the skinny, from Cecil Adams, researcher extrodinaire. > >Dear Cecil: > >Can you confirm the following? It sounds rather fishy to me. --Adam >Koford, >Salt Lake City, Utah > >Adam encloses the following memo, which has been floating around the >net for >some months: > >"Subject: Truth About the Finger > >"In the film Titanic the character Rose is shown giving the finger to >Jack, >another character. Many people who have seen the film question whether >'giving >the finger' was done around the time of the Titanic disaster, or was >it a more >recent gesture invented by some defiant seventh-grader. According to >research, here's the true story: > >"Before the Battle of Agincourt in 1415, the French, anticipating >victory over >the English, proposed to cut off the middle finger of all captured >English >soldiers. Without the middle finger it would be impossible to draw the >renowned English longbow and therefore [soldiers would] be incapable >of >fighting in the future. This famous weapon was made of the native >English yew >tree, and the act of drawing the longbow was known as 'plucking the >yew.' Much >to the bewilderment of the French, the English won a major upset and >began >mocking the French by waving their middle fingers at the defeated >French, >saying, 'See, we can still pluck yew!' > >"Over the years some 'folk etymologies' have grown up around this >symbolic >gesture. Since 'pluck yew' is rather difficult to say, like "pheasant >mother >plucker," which is who you had to go to for the feathers used on the >arrows >for the longbow, the difficult consonant cluster at the beginning has >gradually changed to a labiodental fricative 'F,' and thus the words >often >used in conjunction with the one-finger salute are mistakenly thought >to have >something to do with an intimate encounter. It is also because of the >pheasant >feathers on the arrows that the gesture is known as 'giving the bird.' > >"And yew all thought yew knew everything!" > >Cecil Adams replies: > >Uh huh. > >Now for the facts. The "one-finger salute," or at any rate sexual >gestures >involving the middle finger, are thousands of years old. In Gestures: >Their >Origins and Distribution, Desmond Morris and colleagues note that the >digitus >infamis or digitus impudicus (infamous or indecent finger) is >mentioned >several times in the literature of ancient Rome. Turning to our vast >classical >library, we quickly turn up three references. Two are from the >epigrammatist >Martial: "Laugh loudly, Sextillus, when someone calls you a queen and >put your >middle finger out." (The verse continues: "But you are no sodomite nor >fornicator either, Sextillus, nor is Vetustina's hot mouth your >fancy." >Martial, and Roman poets in general, could be pretty out there, >subject- >matter-wise. Another verse begins: "You love to be sodomized, Papylus >...") > >In the other reference Martial writes that a certain party "points a >finger, >an indecent one, at" some other people. The historian Suetonius, >writing about >Augustus Caesar, says the emperor "expelled [the entertainer] Pylades >... >because when a spectator started to hiss, he called the attention of >the whole >audience to him with an obscene movement of his middle finger." Morris >also >claims that the mad emperor Caligula, as an insult, would extend his >middle >finger for supplicants to kiss. > >It's not known whether one displayed the digitus infamis in the same >manner >that we (well, you) flip the bird today. In another of his books >Morris >describes a variety of sexual insults involving the middle finger, >such as the >"middle-finger down prod," the "middle-finger erect," etc, all of >which are >different from the classic middle-finger jerk. But let's not quibble. >The >point is, the middle-finger/phallus equation goes back way before the >Titanic, >the Battle of Agincourt, or probably even that time Sextillus cut off >Pylades >with his chariot. And I ain't kidding yew. > >--CECIL ADAMS > >Copyright 1998 Chicago Reader > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 5 11:21:05 1999 Return-Path: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA08693 for ; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 11:20:55 -0500 (EST) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id D2P4X55H; Fri, 05 Feb 1999 11:20:06 EST To: cnorloff@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Robbie Knievel -Reply Message-ID: <19990205.103436.5271.2.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: <4.1.19990205101334.00ffde80@mail.toward.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 5-6,12-15,17,19 From: Bikes R Us Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 11:20:06 EST I missed it. Damn kids wanted to EAT, can you believe it? Anyway, I gather he made a successful jump? I saw a show about Robbie awhile ago. He apparently does think things through and practice before he makes his jumps. Evel was an idiot. He was more like SuperDave Osborne pretends to be, only with him it wasn't a joke. I think SuperDave has the more legitimate career... OTOH, Evel was my hero "back in the day." Like Dale, I had this Evel Knievel doll on a motorcycle that you fit into a launcher thing, spun a crank on the side of the launcher to build up rear wheel speed, and then hit a button to release him. Just like the real Evel Knievel, mine would hit the launch ramp a little askew and sail off into oblivion to land in a heap of twisted metal and mangled body parts. JohnDavid@Bikes R Us On Fri, 05 Feb 1999 10:21:05 -0500 Chris Norloff writes: >Evel had very little skill with operating a motorcycle, witness his many bad jumps. ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 5 11:22:38 1999 Return-Path: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA08712 for ; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 11:22:36 -0500 (EST) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id D2P4X6GE; Fri, 05 Feb 1999 11:20:06 EST To: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Hilarious Shareware Dirtbike Game Message-ID: <19990205.103436.5271.3.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: <8525670C.007D4A1E.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 2-5,7-32 From: Bikes R Us Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 11:20:06 EST I tried this. It is pretty funny. Kept wearing my bike as a hat until I figured out the mouse movement controls your speed. And forget about switching to manual shift... JohnDavid@Bikes R Us On Tue, 02 Feb 1999 17:47:02 -0500 christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX writes: >Hey all; > >Go to > >http://members.aol.com/bradquick/ > >and download a really fun and funny shareware dirtbike game. It's a >hoot! > >Chris Weaver >---------------------------------------------------------------- >The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity >to >which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged >material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, >or >taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or >entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you >received >this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from >any >computer. > > > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 5 11:26:59 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA08758 for ; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 11:26:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA24491 for ; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 11:26:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA12018 for ; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 11:26:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id ABCB3DB01B6; Fri, 05 Feb 1999 11:26:51 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990205112833.00ff72f0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 11:30:40 -0500 To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Robbie Knievel In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990205104007.022b2940@mail.wheatintl.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >At 08:57 AM 2/5/99 , Carver, John wrote: >>I saw the jump last night. It was over in what seemed like 5 seconds. >>What was more interesting was watching his daughters and how upset they >>were with him jumping. You'd think they'd be used to it. > >It was all faked on a sound stage, just like the moon landing, the Vietnam >war and Kennedy's assasination. Damn FOX for their theatrics! > Mike Troutman ha ha ha! Well, I suppose Fox will reveal all with their next "expose" ... and then they'll do it all again and "expose" it all again, and ... Last night I felt a great kinship with all the Lowest Common Denominators watching Kneivel's jump. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 5 11:35:50 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA08978 for ; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 11:35:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta2.mcit.com (omta2.mcit.com [166.37.204.3]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA09388; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 15:34:34 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta2.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990205163508.IIIV5654@toddnt>; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 10:35:08 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: , Subject: RE: Robbie Knievel Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 11:33:56 -0500 Message-ID: <000d01be5125$52fc0340$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-reply-to: <8525670F.00574C15.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Yeah, I caught that too. But with a little bit of voice training, she could be a pretty good singer. > > You'd also think his daughter would know the words to the National Anthem > before singing it live on National TV ... > > --chris > From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 5 11:55:49 1999 Return-Path: knapik@XXXXXX Received: from smtp7.ny.us.ibm.com (smtp7.ny.us.ibm.com [198.133.22.19]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA09240 for ; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 11:55:47 -0500 (EST) From: knapik@XXXXXX Received: from southrelay01.raleigh.ibm.com (southrelay01.raleigh.ibm.com [9.37.3.208]) by smtp7.ny.us.ibm.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA28356 for ; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 11:54:33 -0500 Received: from d54mta02.raleigh.ibm.com (d54mta02.raleigh.ibm.com [9.67.228.34]) by southrelay01.raleigh.ibm.com (8.8.7/NCO v1.8) with SMTP id LAA68846 for ; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 11:55:01 -0500 Received: by d54mta02.raleigh.ibm.com(Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (651.2 6-10-1998)) id 8525670F.005CEB44 ; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 11:54:55 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: IBMUS To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <8525670F.005CE9C5.00@d54mta02.raleigh.ibm.com> Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 11:54:49 -0500 Subject: MC related - sort of.......Special Invitation from JC Whitney Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline ---------------------- Forwarded by Tom Knapik/Bethesda/IBM on 02-05-99 11:53 AM --------------------------- JCWhitney@XXXXXX on 02-04-99 10:23:28 PM To: Tom Knapik/Bethesda/IBM cc: Subject: Special Invitation from JC Whitney JC Whitney & Company would like to take this opportunity to thank you for your business. 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Click here to subscribe! http://www.clickaction.com/JCWhitney/a1340a81 From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 5 11:58:31 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA09337 for ; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 11:58:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA24903 for ; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 11:58:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (known m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA13211 for ; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 11:58:24 -0500 (EST) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id D2P645K8; Fri, 05 Feb 1999 11:57:46 EST To: cnorloff@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Robbie Knievel Message-ID: <19990205.111232.5271.4.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: <4.1.19990205112833.00ff72f0@XXXXXX> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 6-9,11-12,14-16,18-19 From: Bikes R Us Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 11:57:46 EST Maybe they'll have a "Masked Daredevil" take us behind the scenes to show us how they do it with mirrors and secret compartments. All the other "real daredevils" will be up in arms over it. There will be a media circus of hype over it. But maybe they'll finally explain how those state fair/carnival guys who launch their Gran Torinos at a flaming walls of wrecked cars amid huge, explosive pyrotechnic displays survive their stunts... JohnDavid@Bikes R Us On Fri, 05 Feb 1999 11:30:40 -0500 Chris Norloff writes: >ha ha ha! Well, I suppose Fox will reveal all with their next "expose" ... >and then they'll do it all again and "expose" it all again, and ... > >Last night I felt a great kinship with all the Lowest Common Denominators >watching Kneivel's jump. ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 5 12:12:44 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail04.usace.army.mil (mcxmail04.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.222]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA09621 for ; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 12:12:39 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199902051712.MAA09621@meretrix.com> Received: by mcxmail04.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id <1H615QM9>; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 09:12:32 -0800 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" Subject: Falicon Cranks.. Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 09:12:26 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Hey, anyone have any experience dealing with Falicon? I'm thinking about sending my VFR750 crank (spun a bearing) down there.. just want to talk with someone who's delt with them before.. Thanks, Brian From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 5 13:55:26 1999 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA11318 for ; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 13:55:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mscex.mailteam.uscg.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA26574 for ; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 13:32:33 -0500 (EST) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 13:57:18 -0500 Message-ID: <904D6E6114A7D211ACCD006008A37EBD032B46@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LT" To: "'dc'" Subject: too funny Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 13:57:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain While standing outside waiting for pen to drop of some stuff for me, what do I see go by?? Fitting right into the age old sterotype was a DC police SUV with a police Harley on a trailer behind it! :) Couldn't help but post it..thought it was kind of funny. Collin From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 5 14:12:08 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA11627 for ; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 14:12:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA26799 for ; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 14:12:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from idalee.loudoun.com (known idalee.loudoun.com [208.232.169.21]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA17809 for ; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 14:12:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from lcsa3 (sterling-internal-217.cybercable.com) by idalee.loudoun.com (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1998.11.13.11.10) with SMTP id <0F6P00MH93ZU69@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 14:11:56 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 14:14:28 -0500 From: Gary Foreman Subject: RE: Robbie Knievel In-reply-to: <8525670F.00574C15.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Message-id: <000001be513b$c05886a0$d929bccc@lcsa3.loudoun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Well, with the jitters she had, I did think she did pretty good. I've seen professionals screw that one up. I'll bet she spent a lot of time learning the words, and then all that went out the window once she got up there. His jump was great, but I could never subject my family to what he did by having them there during the event. The kids looked pretty concerned to say the least. The pre-game show was enough to kill me. I was channel surfing most of the time. > -----Original Message----- > From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX > [mailto:christopher.meier@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, February 05, 1999 10:56 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Robbie Knievel > > > You'd also think his daughter would know the words to the National Anthem > before singing it live on National TV ... > > --chris > > To: "Carver, John" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" > > cc: > From: Mike Troutman > Date: 02/05/99 03:41:21 PM GMT > Subject: Re: Robbie Knievel > > > > > At 08:57 AM 2/5/99 , Carver, John wrote: > >I saw the jump last night. It was over in what seemed like 5 seconds. > >What was more interesting was watching his daughters and how upset they > >were with him jumping. You'd think they'd be used to it. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to > which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged > material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or > taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or > entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If > you received > this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any > computer. > From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 5 14:23:37 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA11787 for ; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 14:23:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA27122 for ; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 14:23:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.troutman.org (known www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA18201 for ; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 14:23:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from vulture (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by www.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.56) with SMTP id 268 for ; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 14:22:58 -0500 Message-Id: <4.1.19990205142227.019d0a80@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 14:22:32 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mike Troutman" Subject: Re: Robbie Knievel Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:30 AM 2/5/99 , Chris Norloff wrote: >>At 08:57 AM 2/5/99 , Carver, John wrote: >>>I saw the jump last night. It was over in what seemed like 5 seconds. >>>What was more interesting was watching his daughters and how upset they >>>were with him jumping. You'd think they'd be used to it. >> >>It was all faked on a sound stage, just like the moon landing, the Vietnam >>war and Kennedy's assasination. Damn FOX for their theatrics! >> Mike Troutman > > >ha ha ha! Well, I suppose Fox will reveal all with their next "expose" ... >and then they'll do it all again and "expose" it all again, and ... > >Last night I felt a great kinship with all the Lowest Common Denominators >watching Kneivel's jump. FYI - For those of you without a sense of humor...I was joking ;-) We all know that the Vietnam war was real. Now the whole Kennedy/moon thing...... ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '91 Nighthawk 750 Naked bike, and too damn cold to ride From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 5 14:30:52 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net ([208.206.112.8]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA11941 for ; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 14:30:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net [166.32.112.69] by tidalwave.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-4.07) id A5912B00D4; Fri, 05 Feb 1999 14:25:05 EST Message-ID: <36BB46E3.EB6B64EE@tidalwave.net> Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 14:30:43 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bikes R Us CC: cnorloff@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Robbie Knievel -Reply References: <4.1.19990205101334.00ffde80@mail.toward.com> <19990205.103436.5271.2.bike.dealer@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I saw these for sale again at a Kid'sR Us store at the Fair Lakes shopping center in Chantilly. I just might have to go buy another one, relive my childhood. :) Dale (the kids might get a kick out of it, and we can terrorize the cats...) Bikes R Us wrote: > > OTOH, Evel was my hero "back in the day." Like Dale, I had this Evel > Knievel doll on a motorcycle that you fit into a launcher thing, spun a > crank on the side of the launcher to build up rear wheel speed, and then > hit a button to release him. Just like the real Evel Knievel, mine would > hit the launch ramp a little askew and sail off into oblivion to land in > a heap of twisted metal and mangled body parts. -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You'll know she loves you if she offers horkster@XXXXXX to let you ride her bike. Don't do it Dale City, Virginia and she'll love you even more." 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - "BugSlayer" VA Tag: BGSLYR 1998 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - No name, and no fancy tag either 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 - Ours - But mostly mine From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 5 14:33:43 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net ([208.206.112.8]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA11961 for ; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 14:33:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net [166.32.112.69] by tidalwave.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-4.07) id A63D4D0068; Fri, 05 Feb 1999 14:27:57 EST Message-ID: <36BB4790.7F5B6BB4@tidalwave.net> Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 14:33:36 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Fagan, Collin LT" CC: "'dc'" Subject: Re: too funny References: <904D6E6114A7D211ACCD006008A37EBD032B46@MSCEX> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit RUB-bie Cops? That is too weird. Would make a great pic, though! Dale Fagan, Collin LT wrote: > Fitting right into the age old sterotype was a DC police SUV with a > police Harley on a trailer behind it! :) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You'll know she loves you if she offers horkster@XXXXXX to let you ride her bike. Don't do it Dale City, Virginia and she'll love you even more." 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - "BugSlayer" VA Tag: BGSLYR 1998 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - No name, and no fancy tag either 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 - Ours - But mostly mine From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 5 15:04:13 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA12574 for ; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 15:04:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id AEB34B50142; Fri, 05 Feb 1999 15:04:03 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990205150633.01b201f0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 15:07:35 -0500 To: "'dc'" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: too funny In-Reply-To: <904D6E6114A7D211ACCD006008A37EBD032B46@MSCEX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 01:57 PM 2/5/99 , Fagan, Collin LT wrote: >While standing outside waiting for pen to drop of some stuff for me, what do >I see go by?? >Fitting right into the age old sterotype was a DC police SUV with a police >Harley on a trailer behind it! :) > >Couldn't help but post it..thought it was kind of funny. > >Collin And I thought "SUV" meant Silly Useless Vehicle - it has a use! -- keeping from putting miles on your Harley as you tow it to Daytona, Sturgis, Loudoun, etc. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 5 15:16:45 1999 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA12810 for ; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 15:16:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA18300 for ; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 15:16:35 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 15:16:34 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: "'dc'" Subject: Re: too funny In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990205150633.01b201f0@mail.toward.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 5 Feb 1999, Chris Norloff wrote: > And I thought "SUV" meant Silly Useless Vehicle - it has a use! -- keeping > from putting miles on your Harley as you tow it to Daytona, Sturgis, > Loudoun, etc. Hey, they're not useless! Check out Paris-Dakar to see what they're really for. I will say that they are impractical road vehicles (and I think minivans are too). I bought my SUV to off road but haven't had the time (read that to mean I'd rather be riding in my free time). So, I sold it. Kirk From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 5 15:46:21 1999 Return-Path: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA13289 for ; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 15:46:18 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id PAA21954; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 15:47:29 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xmaa21733; Fri, 5 Feb 99 15:47:12 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F6P00B1C8A1CG@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 15:47:21 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 8525670F.0071A65C ; Fri, 05 Feb 1999 15:41:21 -0500 Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 15:33:02 -0500 Subject: Re: too funny To: Kirk Roy Cc: "'dc'" Message-id: <8525670F.0070AB30.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Yeah, one would come in really handy tomorrow, since I need to move a treadmill from DC to Baltimore. I still haven't figured out how I'm gonna do it yet. Maybe a rental minivan (with removable seats) from Budget or something ... --chris To: 'dc' cc: (bcc: Christopher Meier/P I/Arlington VA/C&L/US) From: Kirk Roy Date: 02/05/99 08:16:34 PM GMT Subject: Re: too funny On Fri, 5 Feb 1999, Chris Norloff wrote: > And I thought "SUV" meant Silly Useless Vehicle - it has a use! -- keeping > from putting miles on your Harley as you tow it to Daytona, Sturgis, > Loudoun, etc. Hey, they're not useless! Check out Paris-Dakar to see what they're really for. I will say that they are impractical road vehicles (and I think minivans are too). I bought my SUV to off road but haven't had the time (read that to mean I'd rather be riding in my free time). So, I sold it. Kirk ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 5 16:31:26 1999 Return-Path: berman@XXXXXX Received: from min.net (berman@XXXXXX [208.222.210.19]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA14017 for ; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 16:31:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (berman@localhost) by min.net (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA02765; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 16:31:09 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 16:31:09 -0500 (EST) From: Morris Berman To: "Roy D. Turner, Esq." cc: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Saturday In-Reply-To: <000e01be50ab$1ada5ae0$6341accf@oemcomputer> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII The weather forecast for Sat. is looking pretty glum. I don't think it's worth planning anything. I may go up to Baltimore, or do a short spur of the moment kind of thing if it looks like it's clearing up. -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, berman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams On Thu, 4 Feb 1999, Roy D. Turner, Esq. wrote: > I may be available. What do you suugest re: meeting place and route. > Roy D. Turner, Esq. > -----Original Message----- > From: Morris Berman > To: DC Cycles > Date: Tuesday, February 02, 1999 8:40 PM > Subject: Saturday > > > >I don't know what the weather forecast is but... > > 1.) My wife will be out of town > > 2.) My GPz lives again > > 3.) I haven't been on a "ride" in quite some time. > > > >Anyone else up for something? > > > >-Mb > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > > Morris Berman, berman@XXXXXX > >'96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) > #446884 > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > > No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. > > > > Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging > trying to > > cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams > > > > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 5 16:59:46 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net ([208.206.112.8]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA14458 for ; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 16:59:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net [166.32.112.69] by tidalwave.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-4.07) id A8773400F0; Fri, 05 Feb 1999 16:53:59 EST Message-ID: <36BB69C9.546A3228@tidalwave.net> Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 16:59:37 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles CC: Morris Berman Subject: Re: Saturday References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What? It's gonna hit 54 degrees tomorrow! I have a rare wife- and kid- free weekend coming up. I should do scheduled maintenance on BugSlayer, but the forecast is calling for a bit of rain in the afternoon. I don't wanna get my bike wet when it's all torn apart. I think I'll ride it around instead. :) I figure I can do 300 mile loops to/from Dale City to take advantage of cheap gas (and big gas tanks). I'll probably do a couple of loops tomorrow, maybe a couple more on Sunday. Life is good! Dale Morris Berman wrote: > > The weather forecast for Sat. is looking pretty glum. I don't think it's > worth planning anything. I may go up to Baltimore, or do a short spur of > the moment kind of thing if it looks like it's clearing up. > > -Mb -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You'll know she loves you if she offers horkster@XXXXXX to let you ride her bike. Don't do it Dale City, Virginia and she'll love you even more." 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - "BugSlayer" VA Tag: BGSLYR 1998 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - No name, and no fancy tag either 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 - Ours - But mostly mine From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 5 18:22:42 1999 Return-Path: rdt@XXXXXX Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA15764 for ; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 18:22:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from oemcomputer (207-172-54-247.s247.tnt16.brd.erols.com [207.172.54.247]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA01973; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 18:23:20 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <002c01be5228$139edb60$f736accf@oemcomputer> From: "Roy D. Turner, Esq." To: "Dale Horstman" , "DC Cycles" Cc: "Morris Berman" Subject: Re: Saturday Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 18:26:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Let me know what you have planned. I am picking my bike up from Coleman in Woodbridge at 9:00 on Saturday. New tires!! Roy D. Turner, Esq. -----Original Message----- From: Dale Horstman To: DC Cycles Cc: Morris Berman Date: Friday, February 05, 1999 5:07 PM Subject: Re: Saturday >What? It's gonna hit 54 degrees tomorrow! I have a rare wife- >and kid- free weekend coming up. I should do scheduled maintenance >on BugSlayer, but the forecast is calling for a bit of rain in the >afternoon. I don't wanna get my bike wet when it's all torn apart. >I think I'll ride it around instead. :) > >I figure I can do 300 mile loops to/from Dale City to take advantage >of cheap gas (and big gas tanks). I'll probably do a couple of loops >tomorrow, maybe a couple more on Sunday. Life is good! > >Dale > > >Morris Berman wrote: >> >> The weather forecast for Sat. is looking pretty glum. I don't think it's >> worth planning anything. I may go up to Baltimore, or do a short spur of >> the moment kind of thing if it looks like it's clearing up. >> >> -Mb > > >-- >Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You'll know she loves you if she offers >horkster@XXXXXX to let you ride her bike. Don't do it >Dale City, Virginia and she'll love you even more." > > >1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - "BugSlayer" VA Tag: BGSLYR >1998 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - No name, and no fancy tag either >1976 Kawasaki KZ400 - Ours - But mostly mine From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 5 18:56:49 1999 Return-Path: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from pm02sm.pmm.cw.net (pm02sm.pmm.cw.net [208.159.126.151]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA16230 for ; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 18:56:45 -0500 (EST) From: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from a (usr40-dialup21.mix2.Boston.cw.net [166.55.76.213]) by PM02SM.PMM.CW.NET (PMDF V5.2-29 #35316) with SMTP id <0F6P00D2WH5IXH@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 23:56:09 +0000 (GMT) Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 18:55:55 +0000 Subject: Fw: [fizzer-squad] joke - Where am I? To: dc cycles Message-id: <00aa01be5139$2a8e30e0$d54c37a6@a> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal A joke for all you computer geeks out there............ Jon >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >WHERE AM I? > >A helicopter was flying around above Seattle yesterday when an electrical >malfunction disabled all of the aircraft's electronic navigation and >communication equipment. Due to the clouds and haze the pilot could not >determine his position or course to steer to the airport. The pilot saw a >tall building, flew toward it, circled, drew a handwritten sign and held it >in the helicopter's window. The sign said"WHERE AM I ?" in large letters. > >People in the tall building quickly responded to the aircraft, drew a large >sign and held it in a building window. Their sign said, "YOU ARE IN A >HELICOPTER." The pilot smiled, waved, looked at his map and determine the >course to steer to SEATAC (Seattle/Tacoma) airport and landed safely. > >After they were on the ground, the co-pilot asked the pilot how the "YOU ARE >IN A HELICOPTER" sign helped determine their position. The pilot responded, >"I knew that had to be the MICROSOFT building because they gave me a >technically correct but completely useless answer." > From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 5 20:30:29 1999 Return-Path: jckozyn@XXXXXX Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA17744 for ; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 20:30:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id UAA05911; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 20:30:15 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36BBC603.34BF@mnsinc.com> Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 20:33:08 -0800 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles CC: cnorloff@XXXXXX, Bikes R Us Subject: Re: Robbie Knievel -Reply Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris Norloff wrote: > OTOH, Evel was my hero "back in the day." Like Dale, I had this Evel > Knievel doll on a motorcycle that you fit into a launcher thing, spun a > crank on the side of the launcher to build up rear wheel speed, and then > hit a button to release him. Just like the real Evel Knievel, mine would > hit the launch ramp a little askew and sail off into oblivion to land in > a heap of twisted metal and mangled body parts. Doods, That was no 'doll' - that was an "action figure" - sheeesh ;) Dang. JK From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 5 20:33:41 1999 Return-Path: jckozyn@XXXXXX Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA17754 for ; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 20:33:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id UAA05982; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 20:33:33 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36BBC6CB.4775@mnsinc.com> Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 20:36:27 -0800 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles CC: Todd Peer Subject: RE: Robbie Knievel Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Todd Peer" > Yeah, I caught that too. But with a little bit of voice training, she could > be a pretty good singer. Yeah, well, my 9 yo daught (pronounced 'dot') said the same thing when I voiced similar criticism... > > You'd also think his daughter would know the words to the National Anthem > > before singing it live on National TV ... > > --chris JK From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 5 23:15:15 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net ([208.206.112.8]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA20236 for ; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 23:15:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net [208.220.25.41] by tidalwave.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-4.07) id A07AAF0106; Fri, 05 Feb 1999 23:09:30 EST Message-ID: <36BBC1FB.DD4AD456@tidalwave.net> Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 23:15:55 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: LD Riders , Concours Owners Group , DC Cycles Subject: The "Glipizide Ride" is official! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Got this little pick-me-up in the mail today: "This is to Certify that on November 1, 1998, Dale Horstman rode a 1998 Kawasaki Concours a total of 1,583 grueling miles in less than thirty-six hours to deliver medication to a family member in St. Petersburg; starting in Dale City, Virginia continuing onto St. Petersburg, Florida before ending in St. Pauls, North Carolina while participating in the Bun Burner 1500." I didn't get off my butt and send in the paperwork until about mid-January, so that's a very nice turnaround by Lord Kneebone and company. Thanks, folks! I posted the trip report a while ago, but in case you missed it, or for some godawful reason want to read it again :), I've got it on my home page: http://www.tidalwave.net/~horstman/glip1.html Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Tag: BGSLYR 1998 Kawasaki Concours (No, it's not a typo!) 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 5 23:28:36 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net ([208.206.112.8]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA20402 for ; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 23:28:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net [208.220.25.41] by tidalwave.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-4.07) id A39BB800F8; Fri, 05 Feb 1999 23:22:51 EST Message-ID: <36BBC51C.BC4DA06B@tidalwave.net> Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 23:29:16 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Roy D. Turner, Esq." CC: DC Cycles , Morris Berman Subject: Re: Saturday References: <002c01be5228$139edb60$f736accf@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Roy, and others, I'm thinking about sprinting down to Lexington, VA, and doing one of Dale Coyner's Appalacian (sp?) tours. About 180 miles down there (I think), a 200 mile twisty route, and about 180 miles back. Damn, I guess I'll have to refill somewhere other than Dale City. :) Anyone interested in hauling ass and taking names? If so, be at Coleman's in Woodbridge by 9:00 am fueled and ready to roll. I might even be organized enough to have route sheets of the Lexington loop. Dale Roy D. Turner, Esq. wrote: > > Let me know what you have planned. I am picking my bike up from Coleman in > Woodbridge at 9:00 on Saturday. New tires!! Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Tag: BGSLYR 1998 Kawasaki Concours (No, it's not a typo!) 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Sat Feb 6 01:52:14 1999 Return-Path: gixer@XXXXXX Received: from smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA22596 for ; Sat, 6 Feb 1999 01:52:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-56-29.s29.tnt12.ann.erols.com [207.172.56.29]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with ESMTP id BAA12638 for ; Sat, 6 Feb 1999 01:51:51 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36BBEE38.BCF1E1B3@geocities.com> Date: Sat, 06 Feb 1999 02:24:41 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Saturday Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Man... right about no I really wish the Maxim was all legal... I'd love to get out on a ride tomorrow.... oh well... a couple more weeks and she'll be legal... Collin -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LT, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ (racing page) From dc-cycles-request Sat Feb 6 09:49:53 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA02899 for ; Sat, 6 Feb 1999 09:49:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA09327 for ; Sat, 6 Feb 1999 09:49:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (known imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA07202 for ; Sat, 6 Feb 1999 09:49:46 -0500 (EST) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo13.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id KAWIa05309; Sat, 6 Feb 1999 09:49:10 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 09:49:10 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, tl1000s@XXXXXX, cbr@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Fwd: FS: Dunlop 207's, 250 Slicks Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part0_918312550_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_918312550_boundary Content-ID: <0_918312550@XXXXXX> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Someone may have some use of this! Jack --part0_918312550_boundary Content-ID: <0_918312550@XXXXXX> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-zb05.mx.aol.com (rly-zb05.mail.aol.com [172.31.41.5]) by air-zb03.mail.aol.com (v56.24) with SMTP; Sat, 06 Feb 1999 04:03:39 1900 Received: from moto.micapeak.com (moto.micapeak.com [207.53.128.12]) by rly-zb05.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with ESMTP id EAA17349; Sat, 6 Feb 1999 04:03:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from moto.micapeak.com (listproc@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by moto.micapeak.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id AAA05213; Sat, 6 Feb 1999 00:59:54 -0800 Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 00:59:54 -0800 Message-Id: <01BE5179.D7840A00.kgormat@novagate.com> Errors-To: race-owner@XXXXXX Reply-To: kgormat@XXXXXX Originator: race@XXXXXX Sender: race@XXXXXX Precedence: bulk From: kgormat To: Motorcycle Roadracing Listserver Subject: FS: Dunlop 207's, 250 Slicks X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0 -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Motorcycle Roadracing Listserver Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Between my roommate and I, we have about 30-40 sets of Dunlop 207 take-offs that are literally filling up my garage. The majority of the lot consists of meduim harness fronts and hard rears, most are perfectly fine for amateur / practice use. I'm asking $50 / set + shipping to start, with volume discounts available. The tires are located in SW Michigan for those interested in picking through them in person. I also have a few sets of Dunlop 250 slicks and one set of rains (used once near the end of the season). Regards, Kent --part0_918312550_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Sat Feb 6 19:57:41 1999 Return-Path: berman@XXXXXX Received: from min.net (berman@XXXXXX [208.222.210.19]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA11789 for ; Sat, 6 Feb 1999 19:57:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (berman@localhost) by min.net (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA13769 for ; Sat, 6 Feb 1999 19:57:36 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 19:57:36 -0500 (EST) From: Morris Berman To: DC Cycles Subject: Saturday and New Old Suzukis Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Well, the morning was somewhat cloudy/wet in MD, so I ran errands and then came home and washed the bike (1st time in more than 10 months). After I was done, the glint of the sun was so bright off the newly polished canisters that I couldn't resist taking it out! I did the Montgomery-Howard-Carrol-Baltimore County tour. On my way I stopped by C&L Cycle Shop near Sykesvill (410-795-3780). As I was browsing the Hondas and Suzukis, I noticed a few 96 (RF900R) and 97's new bikes. I think there were a few GSXR's of various sizes and a GS500E. I don't know anything about this shop, other than the presence of these bikes. Since they've been on the floor a while, I would expect that they'd be willing to deal a bit on them. The route I took should be of special interest to DC-Cycles. As a was slowing down to turn onto another road, I heard a noise that I thought was from my bike. I had never heard it make a noise like that before. Then I thought, "Gee, that sounds like gun shots." Low and behold, there was an outdoor rifle range at that intersection. -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, berman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams From dc-cycles-request Sat Feb 6 20:35:10 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA12386 for ; Sat, 6 Feb 1999 20:35:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.49]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.7) with SMTP id ; Sat, 06 Feb 1999 20:06:43 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "Morris Berman" , "DC Cycles" Subject: RE: Saturday and New Old Suzukis Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 20:12:20 -0500 Message-ID: <014101be5236$e8f478c0$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 I heard that noise today while working on the GL1000. Wasn't a rifle shot. It was a backfire. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Sat Feb 6 21:57:24 1999 Return-Path: zellto@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.157]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA13544 for ; Sat, 6 Feb 1999 21:57:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from zellto (adsl-151-200-16-190.bellatlantic.net [151.200.16.190]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA28479; Sat, 6 Feb 1999 21:58:48 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <003701be5245$efaf0b80$be10c897@zellto.bellatlantic.net> From: "Thomas and Jeannette" To: , "dc cycles" Subject: Re: [fizzer-squad] joke - Where am I? Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 21:59:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Now that was good! Sounds like the NT answer I got from Microsoft last week! -Tom '86 VFR750 -----Original Message----- From: dawn.jon@XXXXXX To: dc cycles Date: Friday, February 05, 1999 7:07 PM Subject: Fw: [fizzer-squad] joke - Where am I? >A joke for all you computer geeks out there............ > >Jon > >>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> >>WHERE AM I? >> >>A helicopter was flying around above Seattle yesterday when an electrical >>malfunction disabled all of the aircraft's electronic navigation and >>communication equipment. Due to the clouds and haze the pilot could not >>determine his position or course to steer to the airport. The pilot saw a >>tall building, flew toward it, circled, drew a handwritten sign and held it >>in the helicopter's window. The sign said"WHERE AM I ?" in large letters. >> >>People in the tall building quickly responded to the aircraft, drew a large >>sign and held it in a building window. Their sign said, "YOU ARE IN A >>HELICOPTER." The pilot smiled, waved, looked at his map and determine the >>course to steer to SEATAC (Seattle/Tacoma) airport and landed safely. >> >>After they were on the ground, the co-pilot asked the pilot how the "YOU >ARE >>IN A HELICOPTER" sign helped determine their position. The pilot responded, >>"I knew that had to be the MICROSOFT building because they gave me a >>technically correct but completely useless answer." >> > > From dc-cycles-request Sat Feb 6 23:26:53 1999 Return-Path: gixer@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA14794 for ; Sat, 6 Feb 1999 23:26:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-96-79.s270.tnt4.ann.erols.com [207.172.96.79]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA08655 for ; Sat, 6 Feb 1999 23:26:48 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36BD1D6F.1991210A@geocities.com> Date: Sat, 06 Feb 1999 23:58:23 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Woodbury digital design studios url??? aka: Art Sears Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anyone out there have the url to Art Sears home page? He's a long time cornerworker at Summit Point and has a great photo collection from the cornerworers perspective. he told me I could use a few of the pics for my hot lap of summit point section, but I don't have the address at home...and while I'm motivated to get this done, I'm not so motivated that I want to drive in to my office jsut for a silly bookmark... Thanks if anyone can help... -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LT, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ (racing page) From dc-cycles-request Sat Feb 6 23:38:54 1999 Return-Path: gixer@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA15007 for ; Sat, 6 Feb 1999 23:38:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-96-79.s270.tnt4.ann.erols.com [207.172.96.79]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA10949; Sat, 6 Feb 1999 23:38:49 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36BD2043.EA3B4B11@geocities.com> Date: Sun, 07 Feb 1999 00:10:27 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: adl64@XXXXXX CC: DC Cycles Subject: safety vests Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anita, could you forward this to your list of NYC attendies that aren't on the dc-cycles list.... Sorry to bug everyone, but I recall noticing that someone near the right front side of the bus purchased one of those very nice wrap around back protectors from the folks with an English accent. Could that person please get in contact with me. I'm trying to do a little comparison as far as safety and price goes. In particular for anyone who cares, I'm comparing that one to the bull riding/snowmobiling protective armor vests made by Phoenix. I saw a back protector get snapped in half this year on a moderate highside at the track, so I know the protection is worth every penny. I'm looking at these two vests, because they both protected more than just your spine. I believe the yellow one (english people) only protected the back. the Phoenix one has chest, stomach and kidney protection.... Thanks for any assistance Collin -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LT, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ (racing page) From dc-cycles-request Sun Feb 7 00:41:07 1999 Return-Path: gixer@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA15867 for ; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 00:41:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-96-79.s270.tnt4.ann.erols.com [207.172.96.79]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA20188 for ; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 00:41:03 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36BD2EE0.5E775100@geocities.com> Date: Sun, 07 Feb 1999 01:12:48 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Hotlap added Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey all, I just added a page with a turn by turn commentary of a lap around Summit Point my way. The accompanying images will be added as soon as i can find my way back to Art's home page to get em... And yes, I know the image map is way too big and takes forever to download...probably be changing that tomorrow too... Collin -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LT, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ (racing page) From dc-cycles-request Sun Feb 7 00:45:10 1999 Return-Path: gixer@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA16010 for ; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 00:45:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-96-79.s270.tnt4.ann.erols.com [207.172.96.79]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA20686 for ; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 00:45:06 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36BD2FD3.30164C32@geocities.com> Date: Sun, 07 Feb 1999 01:16:51 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Hotlap Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Umm... just in case you didn't see it in the sig file, the url to the race page is: http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Hotlap is linked off the racetrack info page. -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LT, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ (racing page) From dc-cycles-request Sun Feb 7 02:01:13 1999 Return-Path: gixer@XXXXXX Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA17204 for ; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 02:01:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-96-79.s270.tnt4.ann.erols.com [207.172.96.79]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA01083 for ; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 02:01:59 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36BD41AD.1734AFDB@geocities.com> Date: Sun, 07 Feb 1999 02:33:01 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: R6 vs GSXR 750 article Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For anyone interested, there is a horribly written article at http://www.motorcycleworld.co.uk/ which sort of compares the R6 to the GSXR750. It is very subjective and doesn't really throw in any facts to help you form your own opinion, but it does give you an idea of what the rider thought of the bike via seat of the pants.... (and people complain about some of the writing in RoadRacing World...) Collin -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LT, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ (racing page) From dc-cycles-request Sun Feb 7 14:16:29 1999 Return-Path: gixer@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA28909 for ; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 14:16:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-46-150.s150.tnt9.ann.erols.com [207.172.46.150]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA21421 for ; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 14:16:23 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36BDEDE3.A3BA368E@geocities.com> Date: Sun, 07 Feb 1999 14:47:47 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Haga interview Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I knew there was a good reason I liked this Haga fella besides the fact that he's a heck of a rider: "Q: Have you had any funny times you can tell us about during the season? After the races have finished I usually came straight back to Japan. Unfortunately, I didn’t have time to go out as often as I wanted to because I was so tired. But I had a good time in Phillip Island at the first race and in England for the second. I was out with my mechanics in a pub having a few drinks on Saturday night and it was really busy. I didn’t think I had drunk too much but I saw a girl taking her clothes off on top of one of the vans parked there. I was too far away to see properly so I rushed over to get a better look and when I got there all the Italian mechanics had beaten me to it - they are like that I’ve learnt since! Also before Donington I had a curry, which I love so I think next year before every race I should drink beer, eat curry and watch strippers - I’ll win the title no problem!" The entire interview is on 2wf.com: http://208.204.77.154/html/stories/wsb/nori99/noriyuki99.shtml -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LT, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ (racing page) From dc-cycles-request Sun Feb 7 14:38:41 1999 Return-Path: raymondlucas@XXXXXX Received: from send203.yahoomail.com (send203.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.127]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA29202 for ; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 14:38:35 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990207193900.7245.rocketmail@send203.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.30.31.45] by send203.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 07 Feb 1999 11:39:00 PST Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 11:39:00 -0800 (PST) From: Ray Subject: Re: Haga interview To: "Collin T. Fagan \(cfagan@XXXXXX\)" , DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii So that's what I've been doing wrong, I've been eating barbecue instead of curry before the race! Well, at least I had two out of three right... Ray "Middle of the pack" Lucas ---"Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" wrote: > > I knew there was a good reason I liked this Haga fella besides the fact > that he's a heck of a rider: > > "Q: Have you had any funny times you can tell us about during the > season? > After the races have finished I usually came straight > back to Japan. Unfortunately, I > didn’t have time to go out as often as I wanted to > because I was so tired. But I had a > good time in Phillip Island at the first race and in > England for the second. I was out > with my mechanics in a pub having a few drinks on > Saturday night and it was really > busy. I didn’t think I had drunk too much but I saw a > girl taking her clothes off on top > of one of the vans parked there. I was too far away to > see properly so I rushed over to > get a better look and when I got there all the Italian > mechanics had beaten me to it - > they are like that I’ve learnt since! Also before > Donington I had a curry, which I love so > I think next year before every race I should drink > beer, eat curry and watch strippers - > I’ll win the title no problem!" > > The entire interview is on 2wf.com: > http://208.204.77.154/html/stories/wsb/nori99/noriyuki99.shtml > > > > -- > _________________________________________ > Collin and Penny Fagan > LT, U.S. Coast Guard > (202) 366-0067 (work) > (703) 356-4279 (home) > ICQ UIN: 435732 > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ > (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ > (racing page) > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sun Feb 7 18:07:06 1999 Return-Path: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from pm02sm.pmm.cw.net (pm02sm.pmm.cw.net [208.159.126.151]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA02408 for ; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 18:07:04 -0500 (EST) From: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from a (usr49-dialup24.mix2.Boston.cw.net [166.55.79.24]) by PM02SM.PMM.CW.NET (PMDF V5.2-29 #35316) with SMTP id <0F6T00I5D46LIF@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 23:06:25 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sun, 07 Feb 1999 18:06:07 +0000 Subject: Re: R6 vs GSXR 750 article To: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" , DC Cycles Message-id: <005901be52c4$8b03c3e0$184f37a6@a> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Is the R6 a Gixer killer? O-oh............ Jon >For anyone interested, there is a horribly written article at >http://www.motorcycleworld.co.uk/ which sort of compares the R6 to the >GSXR750. It is very subjective and doesn't really throw in any facts to >help you form your own opinion, but it does give you an idea of what the >rider thought of the bike via seat of the pants.... >(and people complain about some of the writing in RoadRacing World...) > >Collin >-- >_________________________________________ >Collin and Penny Fagan >LT, U.S. Coast Guard >(202) 366-0067 (work) >(703) 356-4279 (home) >ICQ UIN: 435732 >http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ >(us, bikes, reptiles, and more) >http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ >(racing page) From dc-cycles-request Sun Feb 7 21:03:06 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA05066 for ; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 21:03:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA29051 for ; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 21:03:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp2.erols.com (known smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA01003 for ; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 21:02:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from ursulina (207-172-182-48.s48.tnt19.brd.erols.com [207.172.182.48]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA23995 for ; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 21:03:54 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <008201be5320$276f0a40$30b6accf@ursulina> From: "Ursulina Viteri" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: SPORT BIKE FOR SALE - details Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 21:01:56 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Hi everyone! I went to see this bike on Saturday and wanted to pass along the details for anyone that's curious about it. This was posted last week or so. FOR SALE: ' 93 Yamaha FZR-600, Purple, tourquoise, black. The bike is in EXCELLENT condition- garage kept! Only 4600 miles! Bike fell over once due to strong wind, slight damage to right side fairing. Small crack by head light, small amount of sticker damage on fairing. The bike does look great, though. The bike has had 3 owners. 2nd owner added all the cosmetic goodies and cleaned up the carbs since it had sat around for so long without being ridden. FREE Xtras: * Purple wind screen (and the clear original) * Tank Bra * Vance & Hines exhaust (not sure if it was re-jetted) * Bike Cover * 2 helmets, HJC. One size S with colored striping to match the bike. One size M black with purple visor. * BRAND NEW jacket with zip out liner, weather-proof. Motor line jacket in XXL, black, with back armour and winter liner. Perfect condition. Also comes with * service manual * bunjie net * kryponite lock * new battery (one month old) * color coordinated seat to match the bike PRICE: $3500 (firm) and he's not negotiating ** Please contact Arie Picot at H 703/266-6775 ** From dc-cycles-request Sun Feb 7 21:51:01 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA05792 for ; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 21:51:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA29437 for ; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 21:50:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from po3.wam.umd.edu (known po3.wam.umd.edu [128.8.10.165]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA01632 for ; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 21:50:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from rac9.wam.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.10.149]) by po3.wam.umd.edu (8.9.0.Beta6/8.9.0.Beta6) with ESMTP id VAA24008 for ; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 21:50:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from rac9.wam.umd.edu (sendmail@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rac9.wam.umd.edu (8.9.0.Beta6/8.9.0.Beta6) with SMTP id VAA26193 for ; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 21:50:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by rac9.wam.umd.edu (8.9.0.Beta6/8.9.0.Beta6) with SMTP id VAA26180 for ; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 21:50:27 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: rac9.wam.umd.edu: bulerias owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 21:50:27 -0500 (EST) From: Matt Montwill To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Maryland Law In-Reply-To: <008201be5320$276f0a40$30b6accf@ursulina> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hey, Can anyone tell me how long points stay on a Maryland driving record. Is it 2 years or 3. Are they assessed from the court date or the date of citation. Thankyou From dc-cycles-request Sun Feb 7 23:33:12 1999 Return-Path: l4rite@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA07287 for ; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 23:33:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from l4rite (207-172-45-11.s11.tnt5.brd.erols.com [207.172.45.11]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA05726; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 23:33:06 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <001301be531c$028653e0$0b2daccf@l4rite> From: "Leslie" To: "dc-cycles" Cc: Subject: price guide.. Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 23:32:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0810.800 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0810.800 Hey folks.. I lost my bookmarks and can't find the link to the online price guide....don't remember if it was M/C online or MC uk or neither.....???? can someone help me out...I'll send you some virtual flowers or dog pooh...your preference....thanxx in advance....Les.... From dc-cycles-request Sun Feb 7 23:42:16 1999 Return-Path: moabmc@XXXXXX Received: from lasal.net ([207.170.238.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA07443 for ; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 23:42:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from pavilion [207.170.238.25] by lasal.net (SMTPD32-4.06) id AC57310F0114; Sun, 07 Feb 1999 21:47:19 MST7MDT Message-ID: <02d701be531d$913b6b60$02000003@pavilion> From: "Fred Hink" To: "Leslie" , "dc-cycles" Cc: Subject: Re: (klr650) price guide.. Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 21:43:24 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 -----Original Message----- From: Leslie To: dc-cycles Cc: klr650@XXXXXX Date: Sunday, February 07, 1999 2:39 PM Subject: (klr650) price guide.. >Hey folks.. I lost my bookmarks and can't find the link to the online price >guide....don't remember if it was M/C online or MC uk or neither.....???? >can someone help me out...I'll send you some virtual flowers or dog >pooh...your preference....thanxx in advance....Les.... > > > Is this what you were looking for? http://www.kbb.com/ Fred Hink ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Arrowhead Motorsports http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/index.html *NEW* 435-259-7356 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 8 00:51:27 1999 Return-Path: dmeyer@XXXXXX Received: from adsl-151-200-16-71.bellatlantic.net (dmeyer@XXXXXX [151.200.16.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA08470 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 00:51:25 -0500 (EST) Received: (from dmeyer@localhost) by adsl-151-200-16-71.bellatlantic.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) id AAA14984; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 00:51:16 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 00:51:15 -0500 From: Dave Meyer To: l4rite@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: price guide.. Message-ID: <19990208005115.A14978@adsl-151-200-16-71.bellatlantic.net> Reply-To: meyer@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95i In article <79lqe6$d8i$1@XXXXXX> you write: > Hey folks.. I lost my bookmarks and can't find the link to the online price > guide....don't remember if it was M/C online or MC uk or neither.....???? > can someone help me out...I'll send you some virtual flowers or dog > pooh...your preference....thanxx in advance....Les.... Not sure if this is what you're after, but check out http://www.mcnews.com/articles/suzuki.htm. There are links to other manufacturers' bikes at the bottom of the page. Dave -- David M. Meyer meyer@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 8 07:27:37 1999 Return-Path: rcrishock@XXXXXX Received: from ckgppxy1.proxy.att.com (ckmsfw1.att.com [12.20.58.157]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA15195 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 07:27:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from dcn73.dcn.att.com ([135.44.68.33]) by ckgppxy1.proxy.att.com (AT&T/IPNS/GW-1.0) with SMTP id HAA20220 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 07:26:45 -0500 (EST) Received: by dcn73.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BE5334.4D58E9B0@XXXXXX>; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 07:26:11 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Crishock, Richard" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: yet more Robbie Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 07:26:10 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I wanted one of those bikes SO bad when I was little. I was really pissed when the next door neighbor kid got one for Christmas and I didn't. Bikes R Us wrote: > > OTOH, Evel was my hero "back in the day." Like Dale, I had this Evel > Knievel doll on a motorcycle that you fit into a launcher thing, spun a > crank on the side of the launcher to build up rear wheel speed, and then > hit a button to release him. Just like the real Evel Knievel, mine would > hit the launch ramp a little askew and sail off into oblivion to land in > a heap of twisted metal and mangled body parts. Lowest Common Denominators. My thoughts exactly. Makes me think of a Kinks song, "Give The People What They Want" (The Christians and the lions sold out every night). Chris Norloff wrote: >Last night I felt a great kinship with all the Lowest Common Denominators >watching Kneivel's jump. Rich '78 Triumph Bonneville, Sterling VA USA From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 8 09:01:09 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA16615 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 09:01:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA06903 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 09:01:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from ckgppxy1.proxy.att.com (known ckmsfw1.att.com [12.20.58.157]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA09621 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 09:01:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from dcn73.dcn.att.com ([135.44.68.33]) by ckgppxy1.proxy.att.com (AT&T/IPNS/GW-1.0) with SMTP id JAA11770 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 09:00:31 -0500 (EST) Received: by dcn73.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BE5341.68879C10@XXXXXX>; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 09:00:00 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Carver, John" To: "'berman@XXXXXX'" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RF900 Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 08:59:59 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Morris, Were those RF900s NEW that you saw, as in 0 miles on the odometer?? John 98 VFR From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 8 09:14:51 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA16782 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 09:14:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA07076 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 09:14:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (known smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.156]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA10011 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 09:14:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from mygamer (client196-127-81.bellatlantic.net [151.196.127.81]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA03614; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 09:14:29 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199902081414.JAA03614@smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: true911@XXXXXX (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 09:09:25 -0500 To: Matt Montwill , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mark E. Truelove" Subject: Re: Maryland Law In-Reply-To: References: <008201be5320$276f0a40$30b6accf@ursulina> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 3 years (for the insurance guys), but only 2 years count against your administrative "record". They are assesses from the citation date, but not until convicted. So, it can pay to reschedule those court dates, under some circumstances. MET At 09:50 PM 2/7/99 , Matt Montwill wrote: >Hey, > Can anyone tell me how long points stay on a Maryland driving record. >Is it 2 years or 3. Are they assessed from the court date or the date of >citation. > >Thankyou > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark E. Truelove (true@XXXXXX)=A0= http://members.bellatlantic.net/~true911/ 1992 VFR750 (The Crow)=A0=A0=A0 1985 VF500 ('Kitty)=A0=A0=A0 1972 CB350 (In= Hibernation) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 8 09:54:17 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA17371 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 09:54:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA07621 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 09:54:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from ckgppxy1.proxy.att.com (known ckmsfw1.att.com [12.20.58.157]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA11178 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 09:54:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from dcn73.dcn.att.com ([135.44.68.33]) by ckgppxy1.proxy.att.com (AT&T/IPNS/GW-1.0) with SMTP id JAA01678 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 09:53:29 -0500 (EST) Received: by dcn73.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BE5348.CE969B80@XXXXXX>; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 09:52:58 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Carver, John" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Motor cycle Stuff for sale at . . . Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 09:52:56 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If you have a Honda VF/VFR you'll probably want to check out this page: http://www.olympus.net/personal/markh/sales/vfr.htm If not, they also have miscellaneous accessories/clothing/boots at: http://www.olympus.net/personal/markh/sales/sales.htm John 98 VFR From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 8 11:33:00 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA18973 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 11:32:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA09208 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 11:32:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from ckgppxy1.proxy.att.com (known ckmsfw1.att.com [12.20.58.157]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA15221 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 11:32:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from dcn73.dcn.att.com ([135.44.68.33]) by ckgppxy1.proxy.att.com (AT&T/IPNS/GW-1.0) with SMTP id LAA04890 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 11:32:16 -0500 (EST) Received: by dcn73.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BE5356.9B944170@XXXXXX>; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 11:31:45 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Carver, John" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Oil Filters, NOT again Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 11:31:44 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >http://www.perf-form.com/ Check out this web site on Perform oil filters. I can't remember if anyone on DC cycles has commented on them. Any thoughts? (They appear to be better than the standard OEM, similar to the new Mobil 1 filters) No debating needed. I've used OEM for all my oil changes on the VFR. TIA. John >98 VFR > > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 8 12:51:26 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA20349 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 12:51:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id A3F8402A4; Mon, 08 Feb 1999 12:50:48 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990208100509.017ef6b0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 10:12:37 -0500 To: christopher.meier@XXXXXX, Kirk Roy From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: too funny Cc: "'dc'" In-Reply-To: <8525670F.0070AB30.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" True, indeed. There are uses for vehicles with space inside. But to require 4-wheel-drive, luxury interior, and 4,000 lb. for a commuter vehicle that never leaves the road is a bit much. Reminds me a lot of the early 70's -- very large American cars, which suddenly became dinosaurs with the gas crises. Chris Norloff At 03:33 PM 2/5/99 , christopher.meier@XXXXXX wrote: >Yeah, one would come in really handy tomorrow, since I need to move a >treadmill from DC to Baltimore. I still haven't figured out how I'm gonna >do it yet. Maybe a rental minivan (with removable seats) from Budget or >something ... > >--chris >To: 'dc' >cc: (bcc: Christopher Meier/P I/Arlington VA/C&L/US) >From: Kirk Roy >Date: 02/05/99 08:16:34 PM GMT >Subject: Re: too funny > > > > >On Fri, 5 Feb 1999, Chris Norloff wrote: >> And I thought "SUV" meant Silly Useless Vehicle - it has a use! -- >keeping >> from putting miles on your Harley as you tow it to Daytona, Sturgis, >> Loudoun, etc. > >Hey, they're not useless! Check out Paris-Dakar to see what they're really >for. I will say that they are impractical road vehicles (and I think >minivans are too). I bought my SUV to off road but haven't had the time >(read that to mean I'd rather be riding in my free time). So, I sold it. > >Kirk > > > >---------------------------------------------------------------- >The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to >which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged >material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or >taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or >entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received > this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any >computer. > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 8 12:57:18 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net ([208.206.112.8]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA20427 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 12:57:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net [166.32.112.69] by tidalwave.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-4.07) id A419A10102; Mon, 08 Feb 1999 12:51:21 EST Message-ID: <36BF2577.CDAFDFA3@tidalwave.net> Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 12:57:11 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Carver, John" , DC Cycles List Subject: Re: Oil Filters, NOT again References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Not a bad price for filters on my Concours - I may have to order up a few. I've been using PepBoys/Fram/Purolater type filters for a while, I wonder if there is really a difference? Dale Carver, John wrote: > > >http://www.perf-form.com/ > > Check out this web site on Perform oil filters. -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You'll know she loves you if she offers horkster@XXXXXX to let you ride her bike. Don't do it Dale City, Virginia and she'll love you even more." 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - "BugSlayer" VA Tag: BGSLYR 1998 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - No name, and no fancy tag either 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 - Ours - But mostly mine From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 8 13:02:51 1999 Return-Path: raymondlucas@XXXXXX Received: from send203.yahoomail.com (send203.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.127]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA20521 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 13:02:48 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990208180331.19099.rocketmail@send203.yahoomail.com> Received: from [209.48.193.3] by send203.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 08 Feb 1999 10:03:31 PST Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 10:03:31 -0800 (PST) From: Ray Subject: WILL HAUL FOR BEER To: Chris Norloff , christopher.meier@XXXXXX, Kirk Roy Cc: "'dc'" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Don't forget, I have a large pickup. If you need something moved, let me know. Ray ---Chris Norloff wrote: > > True, indeed. There are uses for vehicles with space inside. But to > require 4-wheel-drive, luxury interior, and 4,000 lb. for a commuter > vehicle that never leaves the road is a bit much. > > Reminds me a lot of the early 70's -- very large American cars, which > suddenly became dinosaurs with the gas crises. > > Chris Norloff > > > At 03:33 PM 2/5/99 , christopher.meier@XXXXXX wrote: > >Yeah, one would come in really handy tomorrow, since I need to move a > >treadmill from DC to Baltimore. I still haven't figured out how I'm gonna > >do it yet. Maybe a rental minivan (with removable seats) from Budget or > >something ... > > > >--chris > >To: 'dc' > >cc: (bcc: Christopher Meier/P I/Arlington VA/C&L/US) > >From: Kirk Roy > >Date: 02/05/99 08:16:34 PM GMT > >Subject: Re: too funny > > > > > > > > > >On Fri, 5 Feb 1999, Chris Norloff wrote: > >> And I thought "SUV" meant Silly Useless Vehicle - it has a use! -- > >keeping > >> from putting miles on your Harley as you tow it to Daytona, Sturgis, > >> Loudoun, etc. > > > >Hey, they're not useless! Check out Paris-Dakar to see what they're really > >for. I will say that they are impractical road vehicles (and I think > >minivans are too). I bought my SUV to off road but haven't had the time > >(read that to mean I'd rather be riding in my free time). So, I sold it. > > > >Kirk > > > > > > > >---------------------------------------------------------------- > >The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to > >which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged > >material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or > >taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or > >entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received > > this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any > >computer. > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 8 13:27:05 1999 Return-Path: dreamer@XXXXXX Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [209.48.224.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA21030 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 13:27:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [209.48.224.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA04235 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 13:27:00 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 13:26:57 -0500 (EST) From: Dawn Gibson To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: another pickup truck Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I traded in my skateboard car this weekend on a Ford F150 so my truck is available in case anyone needs transport. Only disclaimer is that you'll have to bring your own muscle to get the bike in and out of the truck! Dawn *====================================================================* from the mist and shadows, like a memory of things to come.... to wander the paths of moonlight on water, in search of honesty, empathy, beaches at sunrise, mountains under stars and eyes to laugh back at mine... *====================================================================* Dawn G.T. Gibson, dreamer@XXXXXX *====================================================================* From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 8 13:38:36 1999 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA21271 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 13:38:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Mon, 08 Feb 1999 13:37:41 -0500 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 08 Feb 1999 13:37:34 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 14:36:41 -0500 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, jcarver@XXXXXX, Horkster@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Oil Filters, NOT again -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline When I was selling them, Fram made a point of telling us that their oil filters had more folds (i.e., more material) so they were better than the OE or competing Emgo filter. It's how they justified the higher price. Makes sense, I guess. Don't think that's a good place to skimp anyway. Joe '85 zx900 Ninja >>> Dale Horstman - 2/8/99 12:57 PM >>> Not a bad price for filters on my Concours - I may have to order up a few. I've been using PepBoys/Fram/Purolater type filters for a while, I wonder if there is really a difference? Dale Carver, John wrote: > > >http://www.perf-form.com/ > > Check out this web site on Perform oil filters. -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You'll know she loves you if she offers horkster@XXXXXX to let you ride her bike. Don't do it Dale City, Virginia and she'll love you even more." 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - "BugSlayer" VA Tag: BGSLYR 1998 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - No name, and no fancy tag either 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 - Ours - But mostly mine From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 8 17:48:01 1999 Return-Path: mark.petty@XXXXXX Received: from crpstva-msg-01.hscribe.com ([208.138.226.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA25616 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 17:47:59 -0500 (EST) Received: by crpstva-msg-01.hscribe.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 15:54:11 -0500 Message-ID: From: Mark Petty To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: another pickup truck Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 15:54:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain > From: Dawn Gibson [SMTP:dreamer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, February 08, 1999 1:27 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: another pickup truck > > I traded in my skateboard car this weekend on a Ford F150 so my truck > is > available in case anyone needs transport. Only disclaimer is that > you'll > have to bring your own muscle to get the bike in and out of the truck! > > Dawn > Wha the heck's a skateboard car? -Mark From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 8 18:04:41 1999 Return-Path: dreamer@XXXXXX Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [209.48.224.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA25867 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 18:04:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from brat.knowhere.net (port19.annex7.radix.net [207.226.55.19]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id SAA09177; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 18:01:17 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199902082301.SAA09177@mail1.radix.net> X-Sender: dreamer@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.1 Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 18:03:55 -0500 To: Mark Petty , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Dawn G.T. Gibson" Subject: RE: another pickup truck In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; types="text/plain,text/html"; boundary="=====================_152036749==_.ALT" --=====================_152036749==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 03:54 PM 2/8/99 -0500, Mark Petty wrote: >Wha the heck's a skateboard car? In my case it was a teeny tiny little Mercury Capri about the size of a Miata Dawn Dawn G.T. Gibson, dreamer@XXXXXX '96 Virago 1100 Special, KnowMad --=====================_152036749==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
At 03:54 PM 2/8/99 -0500, Mark Petty wrote:

>Wha the heck's a skateboard car?

In my case it was a teeny tiny little Mercury Capri about the size of a Miata

Dawn
Dawn G.T. Gibson, dreamer@XXXXXX
'96 Virago 1100 Special, KnowMad
 --=====================_152036749==_.ALT-- From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 8 19:19:50 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA27082 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 19:19:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA16998 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 19:19:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from ns.rtcdirect.com (known [208.138.238.2] [208.138.238.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA06242 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 19:19:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from grover.rtcdirect.com ([192.168.16.9]) by ns.rtcdirect.com (2.0 Build 2119 (Berkeley 8.8.4)/8.8.4) with ESMTP id TAA06829 for ; Mon, 08 Feb 1999 19:30:54 -0500 Received: by GROVER with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 19:18:37 -0500 Message-ID: <71D739DB74A8D111BB1800805FA9C4956A6AED@GROVER> From: "Westbrook, Richard" To: "'DC-Cycles'" Subject: Jacket zipper fixer Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 19:18:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Anyone know of a good place in DC or Northern Virgina where I can get the zipper on my jacket fixed? From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 8 20:10:52 1999 Return-Path: mobacc@XXXXXX Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA27884 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 20:10:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm5-1.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.72]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA24283 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 20:10:38 -0500 Message-ID: <039201be53c8$92094c00$3010b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "Dc Cycles" Subject: Almost Trucked (Long) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 20:07:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_038F_01BE539E.A8623860" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2120.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_038F_01BE539E.A8623860 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable DCC'ers -- This rather unusual thread, with imbedded wisdom regarding = ramping a bike, off the Vulcan (VROC) List. It's rather long for = trimming as it fits needs. =20 Bill S. / DC=20 99 VN750 --> My tires like pavement Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. ************Begin Here is the sad story of my weekend. THE TRIP: I drove almost eight hours Saturday to pick up my new bike = (98 1500 Classic in Black) in Philadelphia. The owner, who only rode the = bike 4 times, got his neighbor to help us load the bike. We're going to put it = in the back of one of those big Penske trucks with the built in/pull out = ramp. The bed of this truck is a good 3.5 feet high. Anyway, the owner say = "Let my neighbor load it, he's done this dozens of times." My half serious response is, "Okay, but remember you still own the bike until it's = loaded in the back of the truck." THE NEIGHBOR: The neighbor, a long time Harley rider, hops on my new = baby and before we turn around has gunned it and is headed for the ramp. I understand that Evel Knievel's son did his big hotel jump in Las Vegas = this weekend, I hope it turned out better. Oh well, back to the story. Before the current owner and I barely have a chance to see what's = happening, the neighbor has started his approach up the ramp. Almost to the top of = the ramp he loses traction as the current owner and I are turning to see the ugly sight. Back wheel spins...bike leans left...neighbor makes quick, useless attempt to save 700 pounds as it carries him over the edge...crashing noise...awful, ugly crashing noise...followed by a loud, wake-up-the-neighborhood moan from beneath the bike. After three = hours in the emergency room, some unpleasant nurses and some good drugs, we = return to assess the damage. THE DAMAGE: Crash bar seemed to serve its purpose for partially = protecting rider and engine. Human body protected the engine case and neighbor's = leg must have padded the rectifier from the mark in his leg. Left handlebar folded, front and rear fenders buckled , chrome rails and rear chrome = fender supports bent. Rider's elbow dented gas tank, one of the mirrors was = broken off and the left-side rider and passenger floorboards heavily scraped. = Tail lights and turn signals busted. Seat scuffed but not torn. To top everything off, the owner let his insurance lapse when I gave him a = deposit and he parked the bike for good. So needless to say I, made my eight = hour trek home without the bike. THE STATUS: Owner called this morning and had his Kawasaki dealer/owner (and good friend) come assess the damage on Sunday. Not as bad a he expected from having a 700 lb. bike fall 3 feet to the ground. He told = him to take the bike and fix everything, replacing damaged stuff with new, nothing pounded out and repainted even though dealer said it was an = option. Since I wanted to add a Mustang Wide Nostalgic and some other items, the owner told me to let him know and he would have the dealer add them = while in the shop. I told him I'm not sure I want a bike that's been dropped = from 3.5 feet. He said he understood but he would go ahead and fix the bike = and for me to decide then if I still wanted the bike. SO, enlighten me on all of the bad things that happen when a bike is dropped, but you can't see until later. What's the consensus here, walk away, renegotiate, take this as an omen and find another bike? Thanks. --------- I would walk. If the guy is stoopid enough to let his cretin HD rider neighbor RIDE the bike up a ramp, I would wonder what else may have = happened to the bike before or what he may not be telling you about the = conversation with the dealer on this fix. Look elsewhere or better yet, get an A = Model. BUBF would have been up the ramp before the idiot could lose his = balance. MHO. =20 --------- Sorry to hear of your misfortune, Matt, with your potential purchase. I also hope that the HD guy recovers from his injuries soon. I know that I'd like to learn something from this incident. What is the proper procedure to follow in loading a bike on a trailer? Do you walk = the bike up without power? Do you walk the bike up *under* power but not sitting on it? Does it depend on the type of trailer you have? Do you need to get a tilting trailer? Can you VROCers who have successfully loaded bikes on trailers help the rest of us out? --------- It all depends on the trailer. As I understand it, he was in a rental = truck with the floor of the bed a good 3 1/2' high with a ramp that pulls out and = drops down. I would have found a location with a hill, or a sloping ditch so = the ramp would be at the smallest angle possible. If the ramp was big enough for = someone to be on the side, I would probably walk it up holding onto the = handlebars, without power with a second man behind it pushing. I have a utility type trailer with the expanded metal tailgate/ramp. The = bed of the trailer is relative close to the ground..Maybe 18". I try to find a = sloping ditch or hill and ride the bike on. Backing it out, I sit on the bike = and walk it back, feathering the front brake as it starts down the ramp. Never used a tilting trailer so I can't comment about them. --------- a lot of folks will not agree with me, but I'll give you my experience, = and you do whatever you want with it. The three bikes I have owned have all = exceeded 600 lbs. This presents a problem when trying to get the bike up a ramp = by myself. I have always ridden the bike up the ramp when loading onto a = pickup truck or my trailer. Both the truck and the trailer methods have ramps = that are the full width of the tailgate. With the old pickup-truck method, I used to hit the bottom of the ramp = at a speed of about 5 mph, then accelerate up the ramp, before it had a = chance to slide back down. Upon hitting the top of the ramp with the front tire, = I would have to turn the bars quickly, so as to get the bike corner-to-corner = into the shortbed pickup. Scared the living shit out of me every time I did it, = and scared me more coming down the ramp backwards! Not safe, but effective = as long as your luck holds out. With the trailer, the fold-down ramp gate is almost 6' long and 5' wide, = and the bed of the trailer is only 1.5'-2' off the ground. Cost was $630 new, = and bed is 8' x 5'. Only thing I would suggest is that with a 1500 Classic or a = Nomad, your trailer should be at least 8'2" long, or the ramp gate will hit the = rear fender. I had the front of my trailer modified with some channel-iron = for the front wheel to fit in, and it extends forward beyond the front rail of = the trailer. I still ride up to the ramp at 5 mph, and give it a quick = burst of gas as I hit the bottom of the ramp, so as not to slip on the way up. Not = scary at all, and a lot closer to the ground than the pickup truck used to be. ----------- >What is the >proper procedure to follow in loading a bike on a trailer?=20 Get a coupla yer friends and lift it onto the trailer. ---------- >He said:Scared the living shit out of me every time I did it, and scared me more coming down the ramp backwards! Not safe, but effective = as long as your luck holds out. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< un quote >>>>>>> You asked for it. "Stupid is as stupid does" ----------- Matt's experience should be an eye opener for everyone. First, I want = to express sympathy for all three involved, it had to be a bad day for all = of you. You can't be too careful when loading a bike. The lower the vehicle you = are putting it in, the better. A Vulcan has relatively low ground = clearance, and it's easy to "high center" when you get to the top if the ramp is = too steep. You also need to be sure that the bottom of the ramp is secured = so it won't slip. And, that the ramp is wide enough to get up safely. If the ramp is low enough, It's best to get some help and push it up. = If it's a little hard for that, and if you are an experienced rider, you = can start the bike and walk along beside it. Make sure it's warm enough to = run without the choke, and won't have a chance to stall. Be sure that then = you get to the top of the ramp, the platform you're putting it on is low = enough for you to jump up on. It's best to have someone already inside to stabilize the bike. Another thing to remember, if you're putting it = into a trailer that isn't connected to a vehicle, when the bike starts in, the trailer may tilt back because of the weight. This usually won't hurt anything, but can be unnerving if you don't expect it. Always have your = tie downs laid out and ready to connect, and you can't use too many on the = bike. Always put the side stand up. Just use plenty of tie downs. If it's a wooden floor, I tack a couple 2x4's alone side each wheel to keep the = bike from sliding out on the trailer. Bottom line: Always have enough help, = use extreme caution, and prepare a plan before you start. ------------ One would think that the HD rider would know how to get a bike into a trailer. Most HD I see are on one ;-> Just joking. The Wolfman brings = up a good point. When I've had to help load a friends HD (no joke), we had three people doing it. Bike off, one guy pushing at the back, and one = on each side walking with it. That way, if it wanted to go to one side, we had someone to support it. =20 ----------- Rick, from my experience of loading and unloading bikes at least 70-80 times( I used to drag race two Triumphs) I would not recommend riding a heavy bike up a ramp.One reason is the pipes will be real HOT, so if it starts to fall, the rider and helper(s) can be severely burned from the pipes. Although I must admit I have ridden up a ramp 2 or 3 times. it's definitly best to load a cool bike (no pun intended) by holding the front brake and someone pushing and supporting the rear. Even better is to load from a hill or anything that will raise the approach ramp to a higher level,that will help avoid bottoming the center of the frame on the top of the ramp too.=20 **********End=20 ------=_NextPart_000_038F_01BE539E.A8623860 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
DCC'ers -- This rather = unusual=20 thread, with imbedded wisdom regarding ramping a bike, off the Vulcan = (VROC)=20 List.  It's rather long for trimming as it fits needs.  =
 
Bill S. / DC
99 = VN750=20 -->  My tires like pavement
Join the AMA.  Help protect = my=20 riding fun.
************Begin
 
Here is the sad story = of my=20 weekend.
THE TRIP:  I drove almost eight hours Saturday to pick = up my=20 new bike (98
1500 Classic in Black) in Philadelphia.  The owner, = who=20 only rode the bike 4
times, got his neighbor to help us load the = bike. =20 We're going to put it in
the back of one of those big Penske trucks = with the=20 built in/pull out ramp.
The bed of this truck is a good  3.5 = feet=20 high.  Anyway, the owner say "Let
my neighbor load it, he's = done=20 this dozens of times."  My half serious
response is, = "Okay,=20 but remember you still own the bike until it's loaded in
the back of = the=20 truck."

THE NEIGHBOR:  The neighbor, a long time Harley = rider,=20 hops on my new baby
and before we turn around has gunned it and is = headed for=20 the ramp.  I
understand that Evel Knievel's son did his big = hotel jump=20 in Las Vegas this
weekend, I hope it turned out better.  Oh = well, back=20 to the story.

Before the current owner and I barely have a chance = to see=20 what's happening,
the neighbor has started his approach up the = ramp. =20 Almost to the top of the
ramp he loses traction as the current owner = and I=20 are turning to see the
ugly sight.  Back wheel spins...bike = leans=20 left...neighbor makes quick,
useless attempt to save 700 pounds as it = carries=20 him over the
edge...crashing noise...awful, ugly crashing = noise...followed by=20 a loud,
wake-up-the-neighborhood moan from beneath the=20 bike.     After three hours
in the emergency = room, some=20 unpleasant nurses and some good drugs, we return
to assess the=20 damage.

THE DAMAGE:  Crash bar seemed to serve its purpose = for=20 partially protecting
rider and engine.  Human body protected the = engine=20 case and neighbor's leg
must have padded the rectifier from the mark = in his=20 leg.  Left handlebar
folded, front and rear fenders buckled , = chrome=20 rails and rear chrome fender
supports bent.  Rider's elbow = dented gas=20 tank, one of the mirrors was broken
off and the left-side rider and = passenger=20 floorboards heavily scraped.  Tail
lights and turn signals = busted. =20 Seat scuffed but not torn.  To top
everything off, the owner let = his=20 insurance lapse when I gave him a deposit
and he parked the bike for=20 good.  So needless to say I, made my eight hour
trek home = without the=20 bike.

THE STATUS:  Owner called this morning and had his = Kawasaki=20 dealer/owner
(and good friend) come assess the damage on = Sunday.  Not as=20 bad a he
expected from having a 700 lb. bike fall 3 feet to the = ground. =20 He told him
to take the bike and fix everything, replacing damaged = stuff with=20 new,
nothing pounded out and repainted even though dealer said it was = an=20 option.
Since I wanted to add a Mustang Wide Nostalgic and some other = items,=20 the
owner told me to let him know and he would have the dealer add = them while=20 in
the shop.  I told him I'm not sure I want a bike that's been = dropped=20 from
3.5 feet.  He said he understood but he would go ahead and = fix the=20 bike and
for me to decide then if I still wanted the bike.

SO, = enlighten me on all of the bad things that happen when a bike = is
dropped, but=20 you can't see until later.  What's the consensus here, = walk
away,=20 renegotiate, take this as an omen and find another bike?  =20 Thanks.

---------
I would walk. If the = guy is stoopid=20 enough to let his cretin HD rider
neighbor RIDE the bike up a ramp, I = would=20 wonder what else may have happened
to the bike before or what he may = not be=20 telling you about the conversation
with the dealer on this fix.  = Look=20 elsewhere or better yet, get an A Model.
BUBF would have been up the = ramp=20 before the idiot could lose his balance.
MHO. 
---------
Sorry to hear of your = misfortune,=20 Matt, with your potential purchase.  I
also hope that the HD guy = recovers from his injuries soon.

I know that I'd like to learn = something=20 from this incident.  What is the
proper procedure to follow in = loading a=20 bike on a trailer?  Do you walk the
bike up without power?  = Do you=20 walk the bike up *under* power but not
sitting on it?  Does it = depend on=20 the type of trailer you have?  Do you
need to get a tilting=20 trailer?

Can you VROCers who have successfully loaded bikes on = trailers=20 help the
rest of us out?
---------
It all depends on the = trailer. As I=20 understand it, he was in a rental truck with
the floor of the bed a = good 3=20 1/2' high with a ramp that pulls out and drops
down. I would have = found a=20 location with a hill, or a sloping ditch so the ramp
would be at the = smallest=20 angle possible. If the ramp was big enough for someone
to be on the = side, I=20 would probably walk it up holding onto the handlebars,
without power = with a=20 second man behind it pushing.
I have a utility type trailer with the = expanded=20 metal tailgate/ramp. The bed of
the trailer is relative close to the=20 ground..Maybe 18". I try to find a sloping
ditch or hill and = ride the=20 bike on. Backing it out, I sit on the bike and walk
it back, = feathering the=20 front brake as it starts down the ramp.
Never used a tilting trailer = so I=20 can't comment about them.
---------
a lot of folks will not = agree with=20 me, but I'll give you my experience, and you
do whatever you want = with=20 it.  The three bikes I have owned have all exceeded
600 = lbs.  This=20 presents a problem when trying to get the bike up a ramp = by
myself.  I=20 have always ridden the bike up the ramp when loading onto a = pickup
truck or=20 my trailer.  Both the truck and the trailer methods have ramps that = are
the full width of the tailgate.

With the old pickup-truck = method,=20 I used to hit the bottom of the ramp at a
speed of about 5 mph, then=20 accelerate up the ramp, before it had a chance to
slide back = down.  Upon=20 hitting the top of the ramp with the front tire, I would
have to turn = the=20 bars quickly, so as to get the bike corner-to-corner into = the
shortbed=20 pickup.  Scared the living shit out of me every time I did it,=20 and
scared me more coming down the ramp backwards!  Not safe, = but=20 effective as long
as your luck holds out.

With the trailer, = the=20 fold-down ramp gate is almost 6' long and 5' wide, and the
bed of the = trailer=20 is only 1.5'-2' off the ground.  Cost was $630 new, and bed
is = 8' x=20 5'.  Only thing I would suggest is that with a 1500 Classic or a=20 Nomad,
your trailer should be at least 8'2" long, or the ramp = gate will=20 hit the rear
fender.  I had the front of my trailer modified = with some=20 channel-iron for the
front wheel to fit in, and it extends forward = beyond the=20 front rail of the
trailer.  I still ride up to the ramp at 5 = mph, and=20 give it a quick burst of gas
as I hit the bottom of the ramp, so as = not to=20 slip on the way up.  Not scary at
all, and a lot closer to the = ground=20 than the pickup truck used to be.
-----------
>What is = the
>proper=20 procedure to follow in loading a bike on a trailer?

Get a coupla = yer=20 friends and lift it onto the trailer.
----------
>He said:Scared the = living shit=20 out of me every time I did it, and
scared me more coming down the = ramp=20 backwards!  Not safe, but effective as long
as your luck holds=20 out.

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<&= lt; un=20 quote >>>>>>>

You asked for it. "Stupid = is as=20 stupid does"
-----------
Matt's experience = should be an eye=20 opener for everyone.  First, I want to
express sympathy for all = three=20 involved, it had to be a bad day for all of
you.
You can't be too = careful=20 when loading a bike.  The lower the vehicle you are
putting it = in, the=20 better.  A Vulcan has relatively low ground clearance,
and it's = easy to=20 "high center" when you get to the top if the ramp is=20 too
steep.  You also need to be sure that the bottom of the ramp = is=20 secured so
it won't slip.  And, that the ramp is wide enough to = get up=20 safely.
If the ramp is low enough, It's best to get some help and = push it=20 up.  If
it's a little hard for that, and if you are an = experienced=20 rider,  you can
start the bike and walk along beside it.  = Make sure=20 it's warm enough to run
without the choke, and won't have a chance to = stall.  Be sure that then you
get to the top of the ramp, the = platform=20 you're putting it on is low enough
for you to jump up on.  It's = best to=20 have someone already inside to
stabilize the bike.   = Another thing=20 to remember, if you're putting it into a
trailer that isn't connected = to a=20 vehicle, when the bike starts in, the
trailer may tilt back because = of the=20 weight.  This usually won't hurt
anything, but can be unnerving = if you=20 don't expect it.  Always have your tie
downs laid out and ready = to=20 connect, and you can't use too many on the bike.
Always put the side = stand=20 up.  Just use plenty of tie downs.  If it's a
wooden floor, = I tack=20 a couple 2x4's alone side each wheel to keep the bike
from sliding = out on the=20 trailer.  Bottom line:  Always have enough help, = use
extreme=20 caution, and prepare a plan before you = start.
------------
One would think that = the HD rider=20 would know how to get a bike into a
trailer.  Most HD I see are = on one=20 ;->  Just joking.  The Wolfman brings up
a good = point. =20 When I've had to help load a friends HD (no joke), we had
three = people doing=20 it.  Bike off, one guy pushing at the back, and one on
each side = walking=20 with it.  That way, if it wanted to go to one side, we
had = someone to=20 support it. 
-----------
Rick, from my = experience of loading=20 and unloading bikes at least 70-80
times( I used to drag race two = Triumphs) I=20 would not recommend riding
a heavy bike up a ramp.One reason is the = pipes=20 will be real HOT, so if
it starts to fall, the rider and helper(s) = can be=20 severely burned from
the pipes. Although I must admit I have ridden = up a ramp=20 2 or 3 times.
it's definitly best to load a cool bike (no pun = intended) by=20 holding
the front brake and someone pushing and supporting the rear. = Even=20 better
is to load from a hill or anything that will raise the = approach ramp=20 to
a higher level,that will help avoid bottoming the center of the=20 frame
on the top of the ramp too.
 
**********End=20

------=_NextPart_000_038F_01BE539E.A8623860-- From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 8 22:28:14 1999 Return-Path: ljtanner@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA00535 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 22:28:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from LJTanner (207-172-33-210.s210.tnt8.brd.erols.com [207.172.33.210]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA21369 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 22:28:09 -0500 (EST) From: "Linda Tanner" To: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: RE: Jacket zipper fixer Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 22:27:57 -0500 Message-ID: <001501be53dc$2ff74f80$7335accf@LJTanner.arl.mci.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <71D739DB74A8D111BB1800805FA9C4956A6AED@GROVER> If this is a leather jacket, there are several places around for repairs. There's a place in Great Falls (I think) that's supposed to be good. I think Zbig had something repaired there. Come on guys, let's have that name. If no one produces the correct name, I'll check old mail. LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze (52K miles and counting) http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ -----Original Message----- From: Westbrook, Richard [mailto:RWestbrook@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, February 08, 1999 7:19 PM To: 'DC-Cycles' Subject: Jacket zipper fixer Anyone know of a good place in DC or Northern Virgina where I can get the zipper on my jacket fixed? From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 8 23:07:00 1999 Return-Path: gixer@XXXXXX Received: from smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA01166 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 23:06:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-46-150.s150.tnt9.ann.erols.com [207.172.46.150]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with ESMTP id XAA04593; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 23:06:50 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36BFBC22.DDF839A8@geocities.com> Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 23:40:02 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Linda Tanner CC: DC-CYCLES Subject: Re: Jacket zipper fixer References: <001501be53dc$2ff74f80$7335accf@LJTanner.arl.mci.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It was "Tricks of the Trade" or something along those lines in Great Falls..... Phone book or Zbig can provide address/contact info Linda Tanner wrote: Come on guys, let's have that > name. > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 9 06:26:56 1999 Return-Path: brn626@XXXXXX Received: from smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA09085 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 06:26:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from brn626 (207-172-77-20.s20.as1.lee.erols.com [207.172.77.20]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with SMTP id GAA23649 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 06:26:52 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <001e01be541f$e5148840$144daccf@brn626> From: "Brian R Nordwall" To: "dc-cycles" Subject: Cracks in body works Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 06:32:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001B_01BE53F5.FB3378E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01BE53F5.FB3378E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I recently purchased some used bodywork from Tapeworks. Got a hell of a = deal, but some of the bodywork's coating (I guess its an epoxy = coating)has cracks in them. The fiberglass/composite material is not = cracked only the coating. Any suggestions on repairing before I get them = painted.=20 Thanks Brian N. - Ashburn, Va ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01BE53F5.FB3378E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I recently purchased some used bodywork from Tapeworks. Got a hell = of a=20 deal, but some of the bodywork's coating (I guess its an epoxy = coating)has=20 cracks in them. The fiberglass/composite material is not cracked only = the=20 coating. Any suggestions on repairing before I get them painted.
 
Thanks Brian N. - Ashburn, Va
------=_NextPart_000_001B_01BE53F5.FB3378E0-- From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 9 08:19:24 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA10897 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 08:19:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id A5D67DA01C2; Tue, 09 Feb 1999 08:19:18 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990209080526.00f11250@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 08:07:15 -0500 To: RWestbrook@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Jacket zipper fixer Cc: DC-CYCLES In-Reply-To: <36BFBC22.DDF839A8@geocities.com> References: <001501be53dc$2ff74f80$7335accf@LJTanner.arl.mci.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:40 PM 2/8/99 , Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX) wrote: >It was "Tricks of the Trade" or something along those lines in Great >Falls..... Phone book or Zbig can provide address/contact info Yup, that's it. Tricks of the Trade, in Great Falls, VA. They replaced a zipper on my ventilated leather jacket (to I can sell it or give it to my brother) and they did a fine job. It took about a week and cost about $35. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 9 08:19:25 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA10899 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 08:19:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id A5D87DA01C2; Tue, 09 Feb 1999 08:19:20 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990209081115.00ff4850@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 08:26:45 -0500 To: "Dc Cycles" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Almost Trucked (Long) In-Reply-To: <039201be53c8$92094c00$3010b1cd@newmicronpc> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Anyway, the owner say "Let > my neighbor load it, he's done this dozens of times." My half serious > response is, "Okay, but remember you still own the bike until it's loaded in > the back of the truck." > > THE NEIGHBOR: The neighbor, a long time Harley rider, hops on my new baby > and before we turn around has gunned it and is headed for the ramp. I > understand that Evel Knievel's son did his big hotel jump in Las Vegas this > weekend, I hope it turned out better. Oh well, back to the story. Sorry to hear about these folks' problems, but I've never understood what the big deal is about loading a bike up a ramp into a truck. Sure a wide ramp and a low truck help, so get a wide ramp and a low truck. I've used just a 2x12 board for more than 10 years and it works fine for me. A 3.5-foot wide ramp with non-skid is a luxury. The cynical side of me can't help but wonder if the people who squawk about keeping a bike on a 3.5-foot wide ramp are the same people who loudly protest that the slow-speed riding license test is not a good test of riding ability. Anyway, a few things I've learned: 1. Ride it up or walk it up, your preference. I think it's easier to do it under power, assuming you can handle a clutch. I prefer to ride up unless I think the bike will bottom out at the top of the ramp due to my weight. A friend uses a milk crate to step on as he walks his bike up into his truck under power. 2. Secure the ramp to the truck. This will keep the ramp from shooting out behind when the front wheel comes off the ramp but you still have some power to the rear wheel. 3. Use the bike's momentum to get up the ramp, not a lot of throttle. You don't want much speed, just enough to carry you up the ramp and get the rear wheel off the ramp with a little throttle. 4. If you ride up, start back plenty far and get the bike lined up straight. You don't want to make any last minute steering corrections just before you get on the ramp. You don't need much speed, use the bike's momentum. 5. Get the truck bed as low as possible. Put the rear wheels in the curb-and-gutter or in a ditch, or back the truck up to a slope. The less the ramp is sloped, the easier it is to deal with. However, the limiting factor is really only whether or not the bike will bottom out as the front wheel enters the bed while the rear wheel is still on the ramp. I've never found large moving trucks with their large ramps to be a problem. I've used large rental trucks several times to move, and use my bike to pick them up. Ride up the large non-skid ramp they provide and tie the bike to the thoughtfully-provided wall tiedowns. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 9 10:17:15 1999 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA12711 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 10:17:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Tue, 09 Feb 1999 10:16:22 -0500 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 09 Feb 1999 10:16:17 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 11:15:45 -0500 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, mobacc@XXXXXX Subject: Almost Trucked (Long) -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline First, my condolences to all involved. Second, try to walk away from this deal unless the bike gets a thorough going-over--I'd be a little concerned about hidden frame or suspension tweakage. Third, learning from the countless times I've had to load my antique 600-lb Electra Glide into my F-150, the safest way to do this is with one guy covering the front brake (straddling the bike or alongside, depending on ramp width) with two in the back pushing. A motor cop once showed me how to ride it up and in--fix your eyes on the back wall of the truck/trailer and whatever you do, don't look down--but it's really scary the first few times you do it. And of course, it's not an option with a non-running bike. With two people, you can put one guy in the bed with a hand winch attached to a tie down or tow strap looped around the upper fork tubes or frame, second guy straddles. Slow but safe. I agree with doing whatever you can to decrease your ramp angle, too. Bikes with no ground clearance will hang up right at the top. Lastly, once it's in, your tie downs should be good enough to hold tension against the bike's fork compression. Joe From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 9 11:01:07 1999 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA13495 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 11:01:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from mscex.mailteam.uscg.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA05713 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 10:37:52 -0500 (EST) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 11:03:08 -0500 Message-ID: <904D6E6114A7D211ACCD006008A37EBD032B4A@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LT" To: "'dc'" Subject: FW: EX500 FS CHEAP $1000 Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 11:03:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain This sounds like a good deal.... > -----Original Message----- > From: TJ Tryon, Jr. [SMTP:trident@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 1999 8:11 AM > To: ex500@XXXXXX > Subject: EX500 FS CHEAP $1000 > > Hay guys, my bike shop/racing sponsor just took in a 90 EX500 on trade, > and > asked me to get it sold for them. They said make it GO AWAY, so here's > the > deal: > > 90 EX500 ALL STOCK, ~20k > Good condition, body good also. > > The guy rode it to the dealer to get stuff, but got talked into buying a > new > bike. > > $1000 Great starters bike. > > Bike is in New England, e-mail me for more details. > > trident@XXXXXX > > > > > To unsubscribe: EX500-request@XXXXXX > with: unsubscribe - in message body From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 9 11:30:55 1999 Return-Path: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA14096 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 11:30:40 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id LAA02441; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 11:31:09 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma002373; Tue, 9 Feb 99 11:30:44 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F6W00COFAUWA4@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 11:30:58 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 85256713.0059AAE7 ; Tue, 09 Feb 1999 11:19:24 -0500 Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 11:17:27 -0500 Subject: Fwd: Hayabusa ridden and tested To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <85256713.0059417C.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL I cannot imagine going this fast on the ground. Time to start selling those R1s, I knew I could count on good 'ol Suzuki. :-) --chris RF900 Nothing Exceeds like Excess: Suzuki's 195mph Hayabusa ridden and tested. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- AR's John Ivy attended the Hayabusa GSX-R1300 press into in Spain this past weekend. He's back home now with a sore neck and really big eyes. He reports: Scoop-o-rama: The Circuit de Catalunya outside Barcelona debuted the official Suzuki launch of the 1999 GSXR1300R Hayabusa last weekend, and friends I guarantee this will be the undisputed fastest full production bike on the planet Earth. Worldwide Press was flown in and invited to test out the capabilites of this break-through machine that Suzuki hope will define a new market niche they have coined as "Ultimate Sport". Breathtaking acceleration was very important, but not the singular goal of the Hayabusa. Thus the choice of a racetrack launch. We were reminded that this is by no means a race-replica GSXR model, and thus the racetrack compentency displayed was phenomenal, with the big Suzuki impressive in it's ability to run at fairly fast pace at Catalunya. Major respect for the throttle is one of the first requirements noted, as the 175ps on tap turns this into a wheelspin-on-demand scripted drama. Positively lunging forward in your choice of two or three different gears in any given corner. Sporting a frame and swingarm 15% stiffer than the GSXR750 race chassis and a fairly well sorted suspension, riding the Hayabusa is great entertainment with indicated speeds of 300kph (186mph) down the front straight attainable without even using sixth gear. At those parameters, the bike does display moderate weight transfer under the extreme acceleration and braking forces, some of which can be readily tuned out. Neutral steering, good stabilty and a huge mid-range that feels like King Kong gave you a swift kick in the ass. Rubber mounted clip-ons, footpegs and the street specification Bridgestones keep you from unleashing all that the GSX1300R has to offer, and there are minor ground clearance concerns but there is some real potential here. Bone stock, the Hayabusa will be of immediate interest for various drag racing applications, with 1/4 mile E.T.s in the nines surely in easy reach for those willing to feed it clutch plates. There is a bit of something going on at the clutch, no slipping mind you, and not grabbing either, but it can ramp in and out somewhat at a specific point in the engagement. Fuel-injection continues to be improved and refined over GSXR and TL application, the only nagging detail being a small lurch if you close and open the throttle at 4000 rpm or so, possibly due to the airbox flapper valve being actuated at that point. The fastest German tourguide you are ever likely to meet, Ludwig, served up the opportunity to further check out the speed potential of the Hayabusa with some runs up a Spanish motorway. Socially irresponsible sustained speeds in excess of 320kph (198.4mph) instantly suck you into an otherworld type experience, what with moderate Saturday to the beach traffic, Policia, and vision all becoming crucial. There was a bit of turbulence at that speed, neck muscles howling as you must peek over the windscreen to clearly see objects expanding rapidly in front of you. And she was still pulling strong at 325 kph, with a thousand rpm left to go on the tach. Ludwig assures that with a clear road and no bulky jacket on, burying the speedometer at 345 kph is seen. Suzuki engineers admit to a 7% error at that level, which transalates to 199mph. After riding the Hayabusa, radar calibrated speeds of 195 mph would not surprise us at all. Regardless of your favorite class of sportbike, this is going to be one of 'those' motorcycles that people will remember forever. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 9 11:55:51 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA14448 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 11:55:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA27855 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 11:55:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from idalee.loudoun.com (known idalee.loudoun.com [208.232.169.21]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA24555 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 11:55:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from lcsa3 (sterling-internal-217.cybercable.com) by idalee.loudoun.com (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1998.11.13.11.10) with SMTP id <0F6W002N0CCEQC@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 11:55:28 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 11:57:02 -0500 From: "Gary Foreman, FJ1100.COM" Subject: RE: another pickup truck In-reply-to: To: Dawn Gibson Cc: DC-Cycles Mailing List Message-id: <003e01be544d$36dcaf40$d929bccc@lcsa3.loudoun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) What year did you get? I picked an '86 F150 up a few years ago. Told the wifey I needed an old junker to haul motorcycles and yard brush, etc. A friend told me about one sitting in someone's front yard with a 4sale sign on it. Went and looked at it, and the paint was shot (that old gray that fades), surface rust on the hood, and a beat up camper. Here's the kicker though...it only had 38k miles on it. She said her husband died, and I gave her 2K for it. So now I had my old junker...well so to speak. I had it painted, bed liner, seat covers. Now it looks so good I don't want to throw junk in it and my wife just laughs at me. Okay...didn't mean to bore you with all that, but here is what I was getting to. I purchased an aluminum ramp...and I'll give you the name later that is GREAT!!!. I think cost was about $70, and it's only 11lbs, and it's about 18" wide . Rated real high in the cycle rags. I load my dirt bikes alone all the time. Haven't had to load the FJ1100 in it yet (that's a good sign, yes?). Let me know if you are interested. > -----Original Message----- > From: Dawn Gibson [mailto:dreamer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, February 08, 1999 1:27 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: another pickup truck > > > I traded in my skateboard car this weekend on a Ford F150 so my truck is > available in case anyone needs transport. Only disclaimer is that you'll > have to bring your own muscle to get the bike in and out of the truck! > > Dawn > > *====================================================================* > from the mist and shadows, like a memory of things to come.... > to wander the paths of moonlight on water, in search of honesty, > empathy, beaches at sunrise, mountains under stars and eyes > to laugh back at mine... > *====================================================================* > Dawn G.T. Gibson, dreamer@XXXXXX > *====================================================================* > From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 9 12:17:06 1999 Return-Path: Carl.Custer@XXXXXX Received: from dchqexs1.fsis.usda.gov (wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa [199.128.203.12] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA14897 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 12:16:54 -0500 (EST) Received: by wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id <1SDYH4DY>; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 12:16:20 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCy'" Subject: Oil Filters - Oh No! Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 12:16:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Fellow on SabMag cut up a lot of MC filters and posted the results: http://www.cyberspc.mb.ca/~rsunley/fltring.htm Thus, stock Honda's start looking pretty good. Re price, Banzai carries a lot of stock OEM filters at very good prices. The Perform oil filter for my Sabre would cost $8.00 Banzai charges ~$6.50 plus shipping so the cost is similar but you're getting top quality. However, I've used many Fram filters with no obvious problems. Even used an automobile filter in a pinch - just kept the rpm's down until I got a MC filter. (According to others, the difference between MC & Auto filters is bypass release pressure. MC's have a higher release pressure because they run at higher Rpm's and pressure) YMMV Carl in Bethesda 80 GS 450E; 85 VF700S From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 9 12:19:23 1999 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA14907 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 12:19:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Tue, 09 Feb 1999 12:18:40 -0500 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 09 Feb 1999 12:18:31 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 13:18:09 -0500 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, christopher.meier@XXXXXX Subject: Fwd: Hayabusa ridden and tested -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Yeah, but what'll the California version do? ;-) Joe From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 9 13:44:28 1999 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA16682 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 13:44:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mscex.mailteam.uscg.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA20889 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 13:21:22 -0500 (EST) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 13:46:39 -0500 Message-ID: <904D6E6114A7D211ACCD006008A37EBD032B4E@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LT" To: "'dc'" Subject: Fairfax court? Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 13:46:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Officemate got nailed with a ticket ticket this morning for blowing a stop light in the wee early hours... Anyone know the procedures in Fairfax county? If he shows up but the cop doesn't can it be dismissed, or does Fairfax schedule a hearing date if he pleads not guilty?? Thanks Collin (glad it wasn't me ;-)) From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 9 13:55:46 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net ([208.206.112.8]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA17026 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 13:55:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net [166.32.112.69] by tidalwave.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-4.07) id A34821100E6; Tue, 09 Feb 1999 13:49:44 EST Message-ID: <36C0600F.EAF7162D@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 11:19:27 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Norloff , Leon Begeman CC: DC Cycles List Subject: Crotona Midnight Run? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Messrs. Begeman and Norloff, So pray tell, how was the Crotona ride? Dale -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You'll know she loves you if she offers horkster@XXXXXX to let you ride her bike. Don't do it Dale City, Virginia and she'll love you even more." 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - "BugSlayer" VA Tag: BGSLYR 1998 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - No name, and no fancy tag either 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 - Ours - But mostly mine From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 9 14:49:52 1999 Return-Path: raymondlucas@XXXXXX Received: from send204.yahoomail.com (send204.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.128]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA18239 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 14:49:51 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990209194703.19992.rocketmail@send204.yahoomail.com> Received: from [209.48.193.3] by send204.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 09 Feb 1999 11:47:03 PST Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 11:47:03 -0800 (PST) From: Ray Subject: WHO WAS THAT GUY THAT MOVED TO MIAMI LAST YEAR? To: DCCycles List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Anyone remember the name of the guy from the list that moved to Miami (I think Coral Gables) late last year? It was in the last four months. I think it may have been Martinez, but my memory is shot from one too many (okay, five or six too many) knocks on the head (but only ONE from crashing a motorcycle!). Ray _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 9 14:51:16 1999 Return-Path: tansey@XXXXXX Received: from links.magenta.com (tansey@XXXXXX [151.199.66.150]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA18311 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 14:51:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by links.magenta.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA15067; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 14:48:57 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 14:48:57 -0500 (EST) From: Tansey To: "Fagan, Collin LT" cc: "'dc'" Subject: Re: Fairfax court? In-Reply-To: <904D6E6114A7D211ACCD006008A37EBD032B4E@MSCEX> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 9 Feb 1999, Fagan, Collin LT wrote: > Anyone know the procedures in Fairfax county? If he shows up but the cop > doesn't can it be dismissed, or does Fairfax schedule a hearing date if he > pleads not guilty?? For generic auto traffic court in Ffx county, it goes as follows: You show up, sit in the courtroom for a long time. When they call you to the front, you plead (this is the important part)... If you plead "not guilty" they usually make you go sit down until the end. If you plead "guilty", they will have the officer give his/her info, and you'll be given your penalty then. Do not pass go, do not collect $100, go pay in the room around the corner.... So, lets say the cop didn't have paperwork for your case (this happened to me, so I know this for a fact), if you pled "not guilty" the judge says that the court can't expect you to incriminate yourself and therefore all charges are dropped. In my case, the cop had put the papers on the roof of his car that morning and the wind made off with several. It was hit or miss as to who's tickets were missing, but after a couple, I got the picture that it was worth going with not guilty. This assumes, also, that there are no witnesses and there isn't backup paperwork somewhere. Shannon From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 9 14:55:22 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA18369 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 14:55:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from omss5.mcit.com (omss5-fddi.mcit.com [166.37.204.27]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id SAA26682; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 18:54:00 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omss5.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 120) with SMTP id <19990209195431.YOEX7750@[166.41.242.214]>; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 13:54:31 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Fagan, Collin LT" , "'dc'" Subject: RE: Fairfax court? Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 14:52:59 -0500 Message-ID: <001301be5465$cb5862f0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-reply-to: <904D6E6114A7D211ACCD006008A37EBD032B4E@MSCEX> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal The cop is the state witness. No witness, no case. If he pleads not guilty, he takes a seat and waits until the docket is completed. Then he gets to plead his case in turn, after other folks who pled Not Guilty. Could get out of court as early as 12pm, but I'd suspect closer to 2pm. If he really believes he is not guilty, he can approach the prosecuting attorney before court has come to order and see if he can have it thrown away (the cop will most definitely need to agree), or have the charge reduced (sometimes the PA will do this if your record is exemplory). Another bet is to have a continuance(sp), you know call in sick or something. You can push this tactic only so far though before the clerk or the judge says tough, get thee to court or pay up. And why not? The traffic courts are a racket that waste a lot of peoples time and money anyway (I am NOT condoning red-light running here people). I think in good ole Virginy that any points assessed (assuming a conviction) go on record as of the date of infraction, not the court date. This all said, your friend may just have to suck it up. Cops are cracking down on red-light runners more often these days in response to the so-called "road rage" epidemic. HTH! Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: Fagan, Collin LT [mailto:cfagan@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 1999 1:47 PM > To: 'dc' > Subject: Fairfax court? > > > Officemate got nailed with a ticket ticket this morning for blowing a stop > light in the wee early hours... > > Anyone know the procedures in Fairfax county? If he shows up but the cop > doesn't can it be dismissed, or does Fairfax schedule a hearing date if he > pleads not guilty?? > > > Thanks > Collin > (glad it wasn't me ;-)) > From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 9 15:04:37 1999 Return-Path: Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc014.army.mil ([134.11.235.134]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA18604 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 15:04:35 -0500 (EST) Received: by dadc014.hqda.pentagon.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id <1DLMH8W2>; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 15:03:33 -0500 Message-ID: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46F263AD1@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'Fagan, Collin LT'" , "'dc'" Subject: RE: Fairfax court? Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 15:03:33 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Collin, there should already be a court date on the ticket. He can either pre-pay it (guilty) or go to court that day and see if he can win. If the cop doesn't show up they usually throw it out. If the cop does show up which is the norm in Fairfax he will probably lose anyway. Fairfax isn't very lenient. Glenn > Officemate got nailed with a ticket ticket this morning for blowing a stop > light in the wee early hours... > > Anyone know the procedures in Fairfax county? If he shows up but the cop > doesn't can it be dismissed, or does Fairfax schedule a hearing date if he > pleads not guilty?? > From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 9 16:16:24 1999 Return-Path: mark.petty@XXXXXX Received: from crpstva-msg-01.hscribe.com ([208.138.226.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA20118 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 16:16:20 -0500 (EST) Received: by crpstva-msg-01.hscribe.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 16:10:24 -0500 Message-ID: From: Mark Petty To: "'cycles'" Subject: Anyone filed a claim with Bikeline? Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 16:10:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain I just got back my insurance quote from them, and they're substantially better than USAA (suprised the heck outa me). $136 annually compared to $400 annually. I'm curious about responsiveness, though. Has anyone filed a claim with them, and how did it work out? USAA has always done right by me. -Mark '83 V65 Magna, 1yr exp, safety course, no tickets, yada yada yada From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 9 16:38:48 1999 Return-Path: gixer@XXXXXX Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA20479 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 16:38:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-46-150.s150.tnt9.ann.erols.com [207.172.46.150]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA29333; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 16:38:51 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36C0B2B0.9F852DDC@geocities.com> Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 17:12:00 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Petty CC: "'cycles'" Subject: Re: Bikeline? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, bikeline never did email me a quote like they did others on the list..maybe I mistyped my email ady, but I doubt it ... They did send me a hard copy though, I included both the maxim and my old gsxr for reference...They wanted almost 5 times more money for lesser coverage than i had with State Farm... oh well... at least the quote was free! -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LT, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ (racing page) From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 9 16:52:34 1999 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA20798 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 16:52:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA10316 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 16:52:22 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 16:52:21 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: "'cycles'" Subject: Re: Bikeline? In-Reply-To: <36C0B2B0.9F852DDC@geocities.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 9 Feb 1999, Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX) wrote: > They did send me a hard copy though, I included both the maxim and my > old gsxr for reference...They wanted almost 5 times more money for > lesser coverage than i had with State Farm... oh well... at least the > quote was free! I thought it was kind of funny that they went to the trouble of mailing me a quote for $4300 w/20-40-10 coverage and $1000 deductibles... It's obvious the system is automated or at least that no one there stopped to think, "only a moron would buy this policy". Of course, I guess there are a lot of morons out there... I would also guess that they had a particularly large number of online requests that day... Kirk From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 9 16:59:31 1999 Return-Path: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA20913 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 16:59:29 -0500 (EST) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id D22ZV3EH; Tue, 09 Feb 1999 16:58:10 EST To: dreamer@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: another pickup truck Message-ID: <19990209.125833.5167.0.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: <199902082301.SAA09177@mail1.radix.net> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 4-48 From: Bikes R Us Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 16:58:10 EST I was afraid you were talking about one of those little (usually) Hondas with the ridiculously wide, ludicrously low profile tires sticking out about a foot on each side of the car. Often they'll be decorated with an array of "accessories" from Trak Auto. Apparently they must have any two of the following bumperstickers that say: 1. "De Colores" 2. "DC United" soccer 3. the name of a country in South America JohnDavid@Bikes R Us On Mon, 08 Feb 1999 18:03:55 -0500 "Dawn G.T. Gibson" writes: >--=====================_152036749==_.ALT >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > >At 03:54 PM 2/8/99 -0500, Mark Petty wrote: > >>Wha the heck's a skateboard car? > >In my case it was a teeny tiny little Mercury Capri about the size of >a Miata > >Dawn >Dawn G.T. Gibson, dreamer@XXXXXX > '96 Virago 1100 Special, KnowMad > >--=====================_152036749==_.ALT >Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" > >
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> > >--=====================_152036749==_.ALT-- > > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 9 17:12:06 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from www.troutman.org (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA21189 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 17:12:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from vulture (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by www.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.56) with SMTP id 442; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 17:11:17 -0500 Message-Id: <4.1.19990209170909.02b71700@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 17:11:14 -0500 To: Ray , DCCycles List From: "Mike Troutman" Subject: Re: WHO WAS THAT GUY THAT MOVED TO MIAMI LAST YEAR? In-Reply-To: <19990209194703.19992.rocketmail@send204.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Just searched my email through last August. Couldnt find the word Miami or Martinez or Coral Gables...... At 02:47 PM 2/9/99 , Ray wrote: > >Anyone remember the name of the guy from the list that moved to Miami >(I think Coral Gables) late last year? It was in the last four >months. I think it may have been Martinez, but my memory is shot from >one too many (okay, five or six too many) knocks on the head (but only >ONE from crashing a motorcycle!). >Ray > > > > > >_________________________________________________________ >DO YOU YAHOO!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 9 17:14:05 1999 Return-Path: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA21205 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 17:14:02 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id RAA05465; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 17:15:26 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xmaa05142; Tue, 9 Feb 99 17:14:41 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F6W00LA4R41W3@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 17:14:55 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 85256713.0079DB8E ; Tue, 09 Feb 1999 17:11:00 -0500 Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 17:10:40 -0500 Subject: Unbelievable ... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <85256713.007996DC.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-disposition: inline Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Why didn't they ask for parking right out front while they we're at it?= --chris -----------------------------------------------------------------------= ---- ------------------------------- Maine Nixes Bill Protecting Bikers Tuesday, February 9, 1999; 4:39 p.m. EST AUGUSTA, Maine (AP) -- A panel of lawmakers unanimously decided Tuesday that bikers do not deserve special protection under the umbrell= a of the Maine Human Rights Act. Motorcycle enthusiasts claim their tough, tattooed and leather-clad appearance often leads to discrimination when they look for a place to dine or spe= nd the night. The proposal would have amended the rights act -- which bars discrimina= tion based on race, sex, religion, national origin or disability -- to inclu= de people who operate motorcycles or who wear clothing displaying the name of a motorcycle group. It was rejected in a Judiciary Committee 13-0. Democratic Sen. Peggy Pendleton, a chief sponsor, said she believed som= e motorcyclists have legitimate concerns about discrimination. But Democratic Rep. Richard Thompson said the bill was easy to dismiss.= ``I don't doubt that there's been times when motorcyclists get refused services,'' Thompson said. ``It certainly didn't rise to the level of the type of protected class we want to include in the Maine Human Rights Act.'' =A9 Copyright 1999 The Associated Press ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity t= o which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, o= r taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you rece= ived this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from = any computer. = From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 9 17:30:37 1999 Return-Path: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (imo17.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.7]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA21571 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 17:30:34 -0500 (EST) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo17.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 5YUQa03210; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 17:05:05 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <14fac81d.36c0b111@aol.com> Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 17:05:05 EST To: kirk@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Bikeline? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 I called and spoke right away (didn't have to hold more than a few seconds) to an actual person who went down the list and asked me what kind of coverage I wanted, item by item, quoted me over the phone and then mailed copies of everything so I could fill out the forms and send it all back with a check ... I found them very helpful and quick ... Marcy In a message dated 2/9/99 4:59:16 PM Eastern Standard Time, kirk@XXXXXX writes: > > They did send me a hard copy though, I included both the maxim and my > > old gsxr for reference...They wanted almost 5 times more money for > > lesser coverage than i had with State Farm... oh well... at least the > > quote was free! > > I thought it was kind of funny that they went to the trouble of mailing me > a quote for $4300 w/20-40-10 coverage and $1000 deductibles... It's > obvious the system is automated or at least that no one there stopped to > think, "only a moron would buy this policy". Of course, I guess there are > a lot of morons out there... > > I would also guess that they had a particularly large number of online > requests that day... From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 9 17:43:44 1999 Return-Path: raymondlucas@XXXXXX Received: from send202.yahoomail.com (send202.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.126]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA21800 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 17:43:42 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990209224127.13211.rocketmail@send202.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.30.31.119] by send202.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 09 Feb 1999 14:41:27 PST Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 14:41:27 -0800 (PST) From: Ray Subject: Re: WHO WAS THAT GUY THAT MOVED TO MIAMI LAST YEAR? To: Mike Troutman , DCCycles List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I was sure it was the DC list, but it could have been the Thumper list. ---Mike Troutman wrote: > > Just searched my email through last August. Couldnt find the word Miami or > Martinez or Coral Gables...... > > At 02:47 PM 2/9/99 , Ray wrote: > > > >Anyone remember the name of the guy from the list that moved to Miami > >(I think Coral Gables) late last year? It was in the last four > >months. I think it may have been Martinez, but my memory is shot from > >one too many (okay, five or six too many) knocks on the head (but only > >ONE from crashing a motorcycle!). > >Ray > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________ > >DO YOU YAHOO!? > >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org > > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 9 18:04:19 1999 Return-Path: zbig@XXXXXX Received: from suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (root@XXXXXX [149.52.55.130]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA22188 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 18:04:14 -0500 (EST) From: zbig@XXXXXX Received: (from zbig@localhost) by suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA00549; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 17:54:13 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199902092254.RAA00549@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> Subject: Re: Jacket zipper fixer To: ljtanner@XXXXXX (Linda Tanner) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 17:54:13 -0500 (EST) Cc: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <001501be53dc$2ff74f80$7335accf@LJTanner.arl.mci.com> from "Linda Tanner" at Feb 8, 99 10:27:57 pm Reply-To: zbig@XXXXXX (Zbigniew J. Tyrlik) X-Phone: (703)-689-6975 X-Organization: Organized ? Just kidding.. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text > > If this is a leather jacket, there are several places around for repairs. > There's a place in Great Falls (I think) that's supposed to be good. I > think Zbig had something repaired there. Come on guys, let's have that > name. > Tricks of trade. Leather repair shop - quick, good, cheap ( I thought it is impossible). Also, plase to buy weird leather stuff - shoes, saddles... _zjt -- ******************************************************************** Zbigniew J. Tyrlik DoD# 0759 CBR1100XX - BBird kleks@XXXXXX Free thinker, traveller, poet, happy father and husband.... From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 9 19:04:54 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA23355 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 19:04:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA04725 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 19:04:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.wch.adelphia.net (alpha.wch.adelphia.net [24.48.14.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA12780 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 19:04:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from gforeman (surf134.wch.adelphia.net [24.48.14.134]) by alpha.wch.adelphia.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id TAA10925; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 19:04:39 -0500 (EST) From: "Gary Foreman, FJ1100.COM" To: "dc-cycles" Cc: Subject: Where to get a great loading ramp Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 19:04:16 -0500 Message-ID: <000c01be5488$e64639c0$1406030a@gforeman.wch.adelphia.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Importance: Normal Here's the ramp I was talking about. I have the Motocross model (supports up to 700lbs). http://www.ramp-master.com/temporary/motocrossramp.html They have many models to choose from even for ATV's Gary W. Foreman EMAIL: gforeman@XXXXXX WEB: http://www.fj1100.com `·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´ A SUPERIOR Pilot may be defined as one who stays out of trouble by using his SUPERIOR Judgement to AVOID the situations which might require the use of his SUPERIOR Skills. From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 9 19:33:21 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA23888 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 19:33:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA05048 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 19:33:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from sasami.jurai.net (fnord@XXXXXX [207.153.65.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA13737 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 19:33:13 -0500 (EST) Received: (from fnord@localhost) by sasami.jurai.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) id TAA02342; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 19:32:49 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 19:32:49 -0500 From: Elie Rosenblum To: "Gary Foreman, FJ1100.COM" Cc: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Where to get a great loading ramp Message-ID: <19990209193249.A2267@cosanostra.net> References: <000c01be5488$e64639c0$1406030a@gforeman.wch.adelphia.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95i In-Reply-To: <000c01be5488$e64639c0$1406030a@gforeman.wch.adelphia.net>; from Gary Foreman, FJ1100.COM on Tue, Feb 09, 1999 at 07:04:16PM -0500 X-Illuminati: Can you see the fnords? X-Cthulhu: HASTUR And thus spake Gary Foreman, FJ1100.COM, on Tue, Feb 09, 1999 at 07:04:16PM -0500: > Here's the ramp I was talking about. I have the Motocross model (supports > up to 700lbs). > > http://www.ramp-master.com/temporary/motocrossramp.html > > They have many models to choose from even for ATV's Hmm. We made our own out of a 2x12, 2 2x4's, and a short piece of steel L-stock as a top-anchor. Advantage? It's 12' long and went together in about 10 minutes with a power drill, screwdriver, and screws. The extra length helps a lot - moved 2 bikes on a 12' ramp so far with no problems at all. -- Elie Rosenblum That is not dead which can eternal lie, http://www.cosanostra.net And with strange aeons even death may die. Admin / Mercenary / System Programmer - _The Necromicon_ From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 9 20:16:01 1999 Return-Path: jckozyn@XXXXXX Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA24626 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 20:15:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id UAA25155 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 20:15:56 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36C108B2.247@mnsinc.com> Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 20:18:58 -0800 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Insurance Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey DC Guys & Gals, Well, Bikeline didn't do me any favors at all. I'm picking up a '95 VFR next week and got a quote from State Farm for about $578/yr with full coverage. This is with - ahem - about 12 points too. They said they'd bring it down ~$200 if I dropped the medical portion.. I have an HMO (Capital Care) which hasn't screwed up too much and seems to cover most everything, but I was wondering if anyone else has dropped the medical portion of their bike insurance. Any thoughtful replies would be appreciated. Please cc: or mail me direct since I'm on D-mode. TIA, JK From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 9 20:49:26 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA25119 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 20:49:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA05795 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 20:49:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [209.48.224.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA16202 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 20:49:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from brat.knowhere.net (port17.annex7.radix.net [207.226.55.17]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id UAA18491; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 20:49:16 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199902100149.UAA18491@mail1.radix.net> X-Sender: dreamer@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.1 Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 20:52:05 -0500 To: "Gary Foreman, FJ1100.COM" From: "Dawn G.T. Gibson" Subject: RE: another pickup truck Cc: DC-Cycles Mailing List In-Reply-To: <003e01be544d$36dcaf40$d929bccc@lcsa3.loudoun.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; types="text/plain,text/html"; boundary="=====================_248541887==_.ALT" --=====================_248541887==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:57 AM 2/9/99 -0500, Gary Foreman, FJ1100.COM wrote: >What year did you get? This is a 1994 Ford F150 flareside. Pretty thing. No where near as good a price as yours though! >I purchased an aluminum ramp...and I'll give you the name later that is >GREAT!!!. I think cost was about $70, and it's only 11lbs, and it's about >18" wide . Rated real high in the cycle rags. I load my dirt bikes alone >all the time. Haven't had to load the FJ1100 in it yet (that's a good sign, >yes?). Let me know if you are interested. Sounds great although I'm not sure I'd have the guts to ride my Virago 1100 up a ramp onto the truck no matter HOW good the ramp is. This sounds like it'd be a good thing to have around though. Thanks for the info! Dawn Dawn G.T. Gibson, dreamer@XXXXXX '96 Virago 1100 Special, KnowMad --=====================_248541887==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
At 11:57 AM 2/9/99 -0500, Gary Foreman, FJ1100.COM wrote:

>What year did you get?

This is a 1994 Ford F150 flareside.  Pretty thing.    No where near as good a price as yours though!

>I purchased an aluminum ramp...and I'll give you the name later that is
>GREAT!!!.  I think cost was about $70, and it's only 11lbs, and it's about
>18" wide .  Rated real high in the cycle rags.  I load my dirt bikes alone
>all the time.  Haven't had to load the FJ1100 in it yet (that's a good sign,
>yes?).  Let me know if you are interested.

Sounds great although I'm not sure I'd have the guts to ride my Virago 1100 up a ramp onto the truck no matter HOW good the ramp is.  This sounds like it'd be a good thing to have around though.  Thanks for the info!

Dawn


Dawn G.T. Gibson, dreamer@XXXXXX
'96 Virago 1100 Special, KnowMad
 --=====================_248541887==_.ALT-- From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 9 21:30:53 1999 Return-Path: brn626@XXXXXX Received: from smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA25834 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 21:30:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from brn626 (207-172-78-99.s36.as6.lee.erols.com [207.172.78.99]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with SMTP id VAA00770 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 21:30:48 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <006101be549e$2d157720$634eaccf@brn626> From: "Brian N" To: "dc-cycles" Subject: Painting Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 21:36:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_005E_01BE5474.4343AA00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_005E_01BE5474.4343AA00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable First of all, Gary F. thanks for the advice on the cracks in the = bodywork. After I sand and prime the bodywork, does anyone know of a = shop where I can get the bodywork painted for a fair price. Thanks in = advance for any advice. Brian N. ------=_NextPart_000_005E_01BE5474.4343AA00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
First of all, Gary F. thanks for the advice on the = cracks in=20 the bodywork. After I sand and prime the bodywork, does anyone know of a = shop=20 where I can get the bodywork painted for a fair price. Thanks in advance = for any=20 advice. Brian N.
------=_NextPart_000_005E_01BE5474.4343AA00-- From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 10 01:27:12 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA29545 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 01:27:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.36]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.7) with SMTP id ; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 01:13:41 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "John C. Kozyn" , "dc-cycles" Subject: RE: Insurance Questions Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 01:18:37 -0500 Message-ID: <00b301be54bd$31a80680$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: <36C108B2.247@mnsinc.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Never bothered with medical: full family at work (Nylcare) and the odds that I can't get a referral from my PCP are precisely ZERO. Not only that, but there's no chance I'll be denied a procedure from Nylcare, either. Luckily, I've never needed to look into that. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 10 06:29:36 1999 Return-Path: Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA05454 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 06:29:35 -0500 (EST) Received: by dadc012.hqda.pentagon.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id <1S1HDHT6>; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 06:28:31 -0500 Message-ID: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46F263AD8@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Where to get a great loading ramp Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 06:28:42 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) I just ordered something very similar from Northern tools except mine folds in the middle for easier storage. Oh and mine has 1000 lb. capacity. http://www.northern-online.com/ Glenn > Here's the ramp I was talking about. I have the Motocross model (supports > up to 700lbs). > > http://www.ramp-master.com/temporary/motocrossramp.html > > They have many models to choose from even for ATV's > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 10 07:11:06 1999 Return-Path: mrider@XXXXXX Received: from server1.illuminet.net (root@XXXXXX [205.215.54.51]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA06057 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 07:10:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrider.illuminet.net (cust014.quantico.illuminet.net [209.44.72.14]) by server1.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id HAA22242 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 07:13:03 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19990210070128.006cdf28@illuminet.net> X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 07:01:28 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: another pickup truck In-Reply-To: <19990209.125833.5167.0.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: <199902082301.SAA09177@mail1.radix.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Now don't you guys go bad-mouthing those little cars with the stickers and coffee-can mufflers, they serve a very useful purpose. I've heard that if you rev the engine a little when stopped beside one of these at a traffic light, they'll take off fast. If you then stay just slightly behind them until you get to about 70 mph, then back off slightly (don't let them notice you doing it,) and let them get about 1/4 mile ahead, they'll be bear bait for you. . . Not that I've ever done this of course. Leon. At 04:58 PM 2/9/99 EST, Bikes R Us wrote: >I was afraid you were talking about one of those little (usually) Hondas >with the ridiculously wide, ludicrously low profile tires sticking out >about a foot on each side of the car. Often they'll be decorated with an >array of "accessories" from Trak Auto. Apparently they must have any two >of the following bumperstickers that say: > >1. "De Colores" >2. "DC United" soccer >3. the name of a country in South America > >JohnDavid@Bikes R Us > >On Mon, 08 Feb 1999 18:03:55 -0500 "Dawn G.T. Gibson" writes: >>--=====================_152036749==_.ALT >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> >>At 03:54 PM 2/8/99 -0500, Mark Petty wrote: >> >>>Wha the heck's a skateboard car? From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 10 08:00:59 1999 Return-Path: fj1100@XXXXXX Received: from idalee.loudoun.com (idalee.loudoun.com [208.232.169.21]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA06872 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 08:00:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from lcsa3 (sterling-internal-217.cybercable.com) by idalee.loudoun.com (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1998.11.13.11.10) with SMTP id <0F6X00BP4W552O@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 08:00:43 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 08:02:28 -0500 From: "Gary Foreman, FJ1100.COM" Subject: RE: Where to get a great loading ramp In-reply-to: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46F263AD8@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> To: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" , "'DC Cycles'" Message-id: <002801be54f5$9c9ce040$d929bccc@lcsa3.loudoun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Yes, these people carry the folding models too. > -----Original Message----- > From: Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN [mailto:Dysart@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 1999 6:29 AM > To: 'DC Cycles' > Subject: RE: Where to get a great loading ramp > > > I just ordered something very similar from Northern tools except > mine folds > in the middle for easier storage. Oh and mine has 1000 lb. capacity. > > http://www.northern-online.com/ > > Glenn > > > > Here's the ramp I was talking about. I have the Motocross > model (supports > > up to 700lbs). > > > > http://www.ramp-master.com/temporary/motocrossramp.html > > > > They have many models to choose from even for ATV's > > > > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 10 08:05:50 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA06961 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 08:05:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id A4238F10296; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 08:05:39 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990210075512.00ff46a0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 08:12:43 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Unbelievable ... In-Reply-To: <85256713.007996DC.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On one hand, discrimination of any kind is disturbing. On the other hand, if you dress to look like a bad-ass, what's the big surprise when people think you're a bad-ass? Chris Norloff At 05:10 PM 2/9/99 , christopher.meier@XXXXXX wrote: >Why didn't they ask for parking right out front while they we're at it? > >--chris > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- >------------------------------- >Maine Nixes Bill Protecting Bikers >Tuesday, February 9, 1999; 4:39 p.m. EST > >AUGUSTA, Maine (AP) -- A panel of lawmakers unanimously decided >Tuesday that bikers do not deserve special protection under the umbrella >of the Maine Human Rights Act. > >Motorcycle enthusiasts claim their tough, tattooed and leather-clad >appearance >often leads to discrimination when they look for a place to dine or spend >the night. > >The proposal would have amended the rights act -- which bars discrimination > >based on race, sex, religion, national origin or disability -- to include >people who >operate motorcycles or who wear clothing displaying the name of a >motorcycle >group. It was rejected in a Judiciary Committee 13-0. > >Democratic Sen. Peggy Pendleton, a chief sponsor, said she believed some >motorcyclists have legitimate concerns about discrimination. > >But Democratic Rep. Richard Thompson said the bill was easy to dismiss. > >``I don't doubt that there's been times when motorcyclists get refused >services,'' >Thompson said. ``It certainly didn't rise to the level of the type of >protected class we >want to include in the Maine Human Rights Act.'' > >=A9 Copyright 1999 The Associated Press >---------------------------------------------------------------- >The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to >which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged >material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or >taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or >entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received > this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any >computer. > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 10 09:08:52 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA07883 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 09:08:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA14395 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 09:08:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA00703 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 09:08:45 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id JAA19794; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 09:08:02 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma019571; Wed, 10 Feb 99 09:07:51 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F6X00KI0Z9KNR@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 09:08:08 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 85256714.00571FAB ; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 09:04:53 -0500 Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 09:02:03 -0500 Subject: RE: another pickup truck To: "Dawn G.T. Gibson" Cc: DC-Cycles Mailing List Message-id: <85256714.004CDC14.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Got any HD riding neighbors? :-) Kidding, chris To: "Gary Foreman, FJ1100.COM" cc: DC-Cycles Mailing List From: "Dawn G.T. Gibson" Date: 02/10/99 01:52:05 AM GMT Subject: RE: another pickup truck --snip-- Sounds great although I'm not sure I'd have the guts to ride my Virago 1100 up a ramp onto the truck no matter HOW good the ramp is. This sounds like it'd be a good thing to have around though. Thanks for the info! --snip-- ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 10 09:09:57 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA07893 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 09:09:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id NAA18791; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 13:08:23 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990210140854.CBJC6156@toddnt>; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 08:08:54 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "John C. Kozyn" , "dc-cycles" Subject: RE: Insurance Questions Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 09:07:25 -0500 Message-ID: <000701be54fe$af6f35c0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <36C108B2.247@mnsinc.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 It's cheap enough for such a risky sport that I just keep it. T > -----Original Message----- > From: John C. Kozyn [mailto:jckozyn@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 1999 11:19 PM > To: dc-cycles > Subject: Insurance Questions > > > Hey DC Guys & Gals, > > Well, Bikeline didn't do me any favors at all. I'm picking up a '95 VFR > next week and got a quote from State Farm for about $578/yr with full > coverage. This is with - ahem - about 12 points too. They said they'd > bring it down ~$200 if I dropped the medical portion.. > > I have an HMO (Capital Care) which hasn't screwed up too much and seems > to cover most everything, but I was wondering if anyone else has dropped > the medical portion of their bike insurance. Any thoughtful replies > would be appreciated. > > Please cc: or mail me direct since I'm on D-mode. > > TIA, > > JK > From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 10 09:11:28 1999 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA07907 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 09:11:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mscex.mailteam.uscg.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA29873 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 08:48:13 -0500 (EST) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 09:13:37 -0500 Message-ID: <904D6E6114A7D211ACCD006008A37EBD032B60@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LT" To: "'dc'" Subject: cheap racer Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 09:13:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain saw this on the race list....I'd be happy to ride out to colorado with anyone (as long as you pay the gas money ;-)) And I could even help rebuild the top end (1/2 an hour job tops...yes BRAIN, we know you can do it in 10 min....NARF!) Collin Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 23:41:48 -0700 From: "[.dave.gallant]" To: 125gp@XXXXXX Subject: 91 RS125 FOR SALE CHEAP... Message-ID: <199902100642.XAA22567@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> sorry for the massive cross post here guys. I am posting this information for a local 125 track friend of mine who needs to clean some house. For Sale: :1991 RS125 :94 Head, Cylinder and Pipe :No spares Bike is in complete working order (he rides with me all the time on it, and can ride so he whoops my a$$ as well..:) ) Overall condition is quite good. May need a new piston/top end, however, the bike is fast and reliable. Bike is located in Northern Colorado. He is only asking $1500!!, or trade for a dirt bike so he can spend more time with his 7 year old son out and about. If you would like more information, email me and I will give you his contact information. thanks... -dave From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 10 09:14:11 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com (ndcrelay2.mcit.com [166.37.172.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA07981 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 09:14:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id OAA22391; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 14:10:44 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990210141330.CBWP6156@toddnt>; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 08:13:30 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Chris Norloff" , Subject: RE: Unbelievable ... Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 09:12:01 -0500 Message-ID: <000801be54ff$53ef7bf0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990210075512.00ff46a0@mail.toward.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Uh oh! I feel a flame-war coming on. Maybe they dress like bad-asses because that is how you interpret how they dress. Some people actually have a different attitude about lifestyle dontcha know. I think it could be argued that it is prejudiced to interpret a persons tendency based on how they dress. Todd Chris Norloff wrote: > On one hand, discrimination of any kind is disturbing. > > On the other hand, if you dress to look like a bad-ass, what's the big > surprise when people think you're a bad-ass? > > Chris Norloff > > > At 05:10 PM 2/9/99 , christopher.meier@XXXXXX wrote: > >Why didn't they ask for parking right out front while they we're at it? > > > >--chris > > > > > >----------------------------------------------------------------- > ---------- > >------------------------------- > >Maine Nixes Bill Protecting Bikers > >Tuesday, February 9, 1999; 4:39 p.m. EST > > > >AUGUSTA, Maine (AP) -- A panel of lawmakers unanimously decided > >Tuesday that bikers do not deserve special protection under the umbrella > >of the Maine Human Rights Act. > > > >Motorcycle enthusiasts claim their tough, tattooed and leather-clad > >appearance > >often leads to discrimination when they look for a place to dine or spend > >the night. > > > >The proposal would have amended the rights act -- which bars > discrimination From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 10 09:29:06 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA08253 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 09:29:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id A7AE7B702A2; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 09:29:02 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990210093226.01915d60@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 09:36:33 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: [non-moto] House Remodeler in NoVa? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi, can anyone recommend a house remodeler / contruction type person in the NoVa area (near Falls Church, preferably). I need to have a bathroom ceiling and bathroom floor replaced. Remove a water-damaged plaster ceiling and replace with drywall; remove a tile floor and replace with either tile or vinyl sheet. It's a very small bathroom (about 5x8 ft.). I need someone who can get to it quickly, like a week or less. thanks, Chris Norloff cnorloff@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 10 09:29:06 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA08252 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 09:29:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id A7AD7B702A2; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 09:29:01 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990210092507.01912700@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 09:28:28 -0500 To: From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Unbelievable ... In-Reply-To: <000801be54ff$53ef7bf0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> References: <4.1.19990210075512.00ff46a0@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I think I see your point, but it's a fact that we send messages by what we wear - that's why we wear a suit to a job interview and a t-shirt and shorts to a summer picnic. For better or worse, there are clothing stereotypes - if someone wants to make a certain statement they can do that. If they want to say that their choice of clothing is unrelated to an accepted stereotype, then they must accept the misunderstanding that inevitably occurs. Chris Norloff At 09:12 AM 2/10/99 , Todd Peer wrote: >Uh oh! I feel a flame-war coming on. Maybe they dress like bad-asses >because that is how you interpret how they dress. Some people actually have >a different attitude about lifestyle dontcha know. I think it could be >argued that it is prejudiced to interpret a persons tendency based on how >they dress. > >Todd > >Chris Norloff wrote: >> On one hand, discrimination of any kind is disturbing. >> >> On the other hand, if you dress to look like a bad-ass, what's the big >> surprise when people think you're a bad-ass? >> >> Chris Norloff >> >> >> At 05:10 PM 2/9/99 , christopher.meier@XXXXXX wrote: >> >Why didn't they ask for parking right out front while they we're at it? >> > >> >--chris >> > >> > >> >----------------------------------------------------------------- >> ---------- >> >------------------------------- >> >Maine Nixes Bill Protecting Bikers >> >Tuesday, February 9, 1999; 4:39 p.m. EST >> > >> >AUGUSTA, Maine (AP) -- A panel of lawmakers unanimously decided >> >Tuesday that bikers do not deserve special protection under the umbrella >> >of the Maine Human Rights Act. >> > >> >Motorcycle enthusiasts claim their tough, tattooed and leather-clad >> >appearance >> >often leads to discrimination when they look for a place to dine or spend >> >the night. >> > >> >The proposal would have amended the rights act -- which bars >> discrimination > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 10 09:33:37 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA08363 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 09:33:35 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199902101433.JAA08363@meretrix.com> Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id <1T906CNW>; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 06:33:17 -0800 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: cheap racer Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 06:33:14 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) same as my bike.. only different year frame (looks the same) and no adjustable suspention.. worth the money.. and you can UPS the sucker (in 2 boxes).. cheaper than driving out there and back.. unless you want to see the bike.... Brian > saw this on the race list....I'd be happy to ride out to colorado with > anyone (as long as you pay the gas money ;-)) > And I could even help rebuild the top end (1/2 an hour job > tops...yes BRAIN, > we know you can do it in 10 min....NARF!) > Collin From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 10 09:38:43 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA08483 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 09:38:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA14843 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 09:38:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from ckgppxy1.proxy.att.com (ckmsfw1.att.com [12.20.58.157]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA02033 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 09:38:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from dcn73.dcn.att.com ([135.44.68.33]) by ckgppxy1.proxy.att.com (AT&T/IPNS/GW-1.0) with SMTP id JAA08582 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 09:38:03 -0500 (EST) Received: by dcn73.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BE54D9.0D68F010@XXXXXX>; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 09:38:02 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Carver, John" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Motorcycle URL Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 09:38:01 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Could someone please send me the URL for the insurance company we were discussing a few days ago? It's something like bikeline.com ???? TIA. John 98 VFR From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 10 09:45:14 1999 Return-Path: SuazoT@XXXXXX Received: from peosmtp.PEOSTAMIS.BELVOIR.ARMY.MIL (peosmtp.peostamis.belvoir.army.mil [160.147.8.35]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA08667 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 09:45:12 -0500 (EST) Received: by peosmtp.peostamis.belvoir.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id <1VDBX1XB>; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 09:44:52 -0500 Message-ID: <311E65DE4D34D1118EEB0000F62EC3913F202B@zeus.peostamis.belvoir.army.mil> From: "Suazo, Tony" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Unbelievable ... Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 09:44:48 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) AUGUSTA, Maine (AP) -- A panel of lawmakers unanimously decided Tuesday that bikers do not deserve special protection under the umbrella of the Maine Human Rights Act. How about this argument. I drove my bike into work today. We have a business casual dress code. We used to be able to wear jeans everyday; however, the new Project Manager, who started in January, is not as flexible - only on Fridays. Which means, I have to pack a bag of clothes and change when I get here. Discrimination? Special Protection? How cares? Bikers Rule! Tony CBR600 F3 From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 10 09:47:35 1999 Return-Path: got2b_a_xx@XXXXXX Received: from send204.yahoomail.com (send204.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.128]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA08677 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 09:47:26 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990210144507.6754.rocketmail@send204.yahoomail.com> Received: from [140.188.64.150] by send204.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 06:45:07 PST Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 06:45:07 -0800 (PST) From: c j Subject: RE: Unbelievable ... To: Todd Peer , Chris Norloff , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Yeah, I resemble that remark..... I happen to be one of those black-leather clad, beer drinkin, hell-raising, chain-swinging, direlict of society types......] and throughly enjoy it...hehhheheheh so bring on those starched shirt, wide tie wearing liberals Craig ---Todd Peer wrote: > > Uh oh! I feel a flame-war coming on. Maybe they dress like bad-asses > because that is how you interpret how they dress. Some people actually have > a different attitude about lifestyle dontcha know. I think it could be > argued that it is prejudiced to interpret a persons tendency based on how > they dress. > > Todd > > Chris Norloff wrote: > > On one hand, discrimination of any kind is disturbing. > > > > On the other hand, if you dress to look like a bad-ass, what's the big > > surprise when people think you're a bad-ass? > > > > Chris Norloff > > > > > > At 05:10 PM 2/9/99 , christopher.meier@XXXXXX wrote: > > >Why didn't they ask for parking right out front while they we're at it? > > > > > >--chris > > > > > > > > >----------------------------------------------------------------- > > ---------- > > >------------------------------- > > >Maine Nixes Bill Protecting Bikers > > >Tuesday, February 9, 1999; 4:39 p.m. EST > > > > > >AUGUSTA, Maine (AP) -- A panel of lawmakers unanimously decided > > >Tuesday that bikers do not deserve special protection under the umbrella > > >of the Maine Human Rights Act. > > > > > >Motorcycle enthusiasts claim their tough, tattooed and leather-clad > > >appearance > > >often leads to discrimination when they look for a place to dine or spend > > >the night. > > > > > >The proposal would have amended the rights act -- which bars > > discrimination > > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 10 09:57:57 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail04.usace.army.mil (mcxmail04.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.222]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA08862 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 09:57:55 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199902101457.JAA08862@meretrix.com> Received: by mcxmail04.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id <1TQNLQAJ>; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 06:57:51 -0800 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Unbelievable ... Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 06:57:48 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Better watch out Criag.. they might be armed with pictures of you in your little yellow tu-tu and looking a pics of chicks with di.. er, ok.. I can't say that.. *chuckle* > > I happen to be one of those black-leather clad, beer drinkin, > hell-raising, chain-swinging, direlict of society types......] > and throughly enjoy it...hehhheheheh > so bring on those starched shirt, wide tie wearing liberals > Craig From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 10 10:07:35 1999 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA09029 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 10:07:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 10:06:56 -0500 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 10:06:49 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 11:06:21 -0500 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, mrider@XXXXXX Subject: Re: another pickup truck -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline 5.0 Mustangs with "No Fear" or "Bad Boy Club" decals covering the rear window are useful for this purpose also, although I like to screw with 'em a little before I let 'em go. Silly boys. Joe '85 zx 900 >>> Leon Begeman - 2/10/99 7:01 AM >>> Now don't you guys go bad-mouthing those little cars with the stickers and coffee-can mufflers, they serve a very useful purpose. I've heard that if you rev the engine a little when stopped beside one of these at a traffic light, they'll take off fast. If you then stay just slightly behind them until you get to about 70 mph, then back off slightly (don't let them notice you doing it,) and let them get about 1/4 mile ahead, they'll be bear bait for you. . . Not that I've ever done this of course. Leon. From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 10 10:08:22 1999 Return-Path: got2b_a_xx@XXXXXX Received: from send204.yahoomail.com (send204.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.128]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA09039 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 10:08:20 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990210150558.24578.rocketmail@send204.yahoomail.com> Received: from [140.188.64.150] by send204.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 07:05:58 PST Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 07:05:58 -0800 (PST) From: c j Subject: RE: Unbelievable ... To: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" , "'dc'" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Damn Brain......I thought that was you behind me in the .25c..peep show line....but I didn't want to ruin your disguise....hehehhehehe :-) ---"McCoy, Brian NAB02" wrote: > > Better watch out Criag.. they might be armed with pictures of you in your > little yellow tu-tu and looking a pics of chicks with di.. er, ok.. I can't > say that.. *chuckle* _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 10 10:10:42 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA09052 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 10:10:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id OAA04062; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 14:09:36 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990210151007.CKCG6156@toddnt>; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 09:10:07 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Chris Norloff" , Subject: RE: Unbelievable ... Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 10:08:36 -0500 Message-ID: <000e01be5507$3bc634d0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990210092507.01912700@mail.toward.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Chris Norloff wrote: > > I think I see your point, but it's a fact that we send messages by what we > wear - that's why we wear a suit to a job interview and a t-shirt and > shorts to a summer picnic. I agree that those concerned with 'messages' being sent play the part at job interviews and summer picnics. But I'd argue that those not concerned with role playing will tend to 'dress' the same wherever they are. > > For better or worse, there are clothing stereotypes - if someone wants to > make a certain statement they can do that. If they want to say that their > choice of clothing is unrelated to an accepted stereotype, then they must > accept the misunderstanding that inevitably occurs. Here again, I agree with you where it matters to those who are concerned with such things. I don't think bikers, punk rockers, etc. really care what other people think. The arguement brought before the panel in Maine was that other people shouldn't treat them differently 'because' of the way they are dressed. Unless they are attempting to crash an event that states explicit dress codes (ie, 'Black Tie' and such), I agree with them. Clothing is not an indicator of character. I mean, Bill Clinton wears nice clothes you know? For that matter, how often have we discussed peoples reaction to the way we dress to ride a motorcycle? Todd > > At 09:12 AM 2/10/99 , Todd Peer wrote: > >Uh oh! I feel a flame-war coming on. Maybe they dress like bad-asses > >because that is how you interpret how they dress. Some people > actually have > >a different attitude about lifestyle dontcha know. I think it could be > >argued that it is prejudiced to interpret a persons tendency based on how > >they dress. > > > >Todd > > > >Chris Norloff wrote: > >> On one hand, discrimination of any kind is disturbing. > >> > >> On the other hand, if you dress to look like a bad-ass, what's the big > >> surprise when people think you're a bad-ass? > >> > >> Chris Norloff > >> > >> > >> At 05:10 PM 2/9/99 , christopher.meier@XXXXXX wrote: > >> >Why didn't they ask for parking right out front while they > we're at it? > >> > > >> >--chris > >> > > >> > > >> >----------------------------------------------------------------- > >> ---------- > >> >------------------------------- > >> >Maine Nixes Bill Protecting Bikers > >> >Tuesday, February 9, 1999; 4:39 p.m. EST > >> > > >> >AUGUSTA, Maine (AP) -- A panel of lawmakers unanimously decided > >> >Tuesday that bikers do not deserve special protection under > the umbrella > >> >of the Maine Human Rights Act. > >> > > >> >Motorcycle enthusiasts claim their tough, tattooed and leather-clad > >> >appearance > >> >often leads to discrimination when they look for a place to > dine or spend > >> >the night. > >> > > >> >The proposal would have amended the rights act -- which bars > >> discrimination > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 10 10:12:08 1999 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA09143 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 10:12:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 10:11:06 -0500 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 10:11:04 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 11:10:30 -0500 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, cnorloff@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Unbelievable ... -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Well, yeah. But I once got the screw at a motel while dressed like a total bad-ass in a wet rainsuit. In Wisconsin of all places. Joe >>> Chris Norloff - 2/10/99 8:12 AM >>> On one hand, discrimination of any kind is disturbing. On the other hand, if you dress to look like a bad-ass, what=27s the big surprise when people think you=27re a bad-ass? Chris Norloff At 05:10 PM 2/9/99 , christopher.meier=40us.pwcglobal.com wrote: >Why didn=27t they ask for parking right out front while they we=27re at = it? > >--chris > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------= - >------------------------------- >Maine Nixes Bill Protecting Bikers >Tuesday, February 9, 1999; 4:39 p.m. EST > >AUGUSTA, Maine (AP) -- A panel of lawmakers unanimously decided >Tuesday that bikers do not deserve special protection under the umbrella >of the Maine Human Rights Act. > >Motorcycle enthusiasts claim their tough, tattooed and leather-clad >appearance >often leads to discrimination when they look for a place to dine or spend >the night. > >The proposal would have amended the rights act -- which bars discrimination > >based on race, sex, religion, national origin or disability -- to include >people who >operate motorcycles or who wear clothing displaying the name of a >motorcycle >group. It was rejected in a Judiciary Committee 13-0. > >Democratic Sen. Peggy Pendleton, a chief sponsor, said she believed some >motorcyclists have legitimate concerns about discrimination. > >But Democratic Rep. Richard Thompson said the bill was easy to dismiss. > >``I don=27t doubt that there=27s been times when motorcyclists get = refused >services,=27=27 >Thompson said. ``It certainly didn=27t rise to the level of the type of >protected class we >want to include in the Maine Human Rights Act.=27=27 > >=A9 Copyright 1999 The Associated Press >---------------------------------------------------------------- >The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to >which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged >material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or >taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or >entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received > this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any >computer. > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 10 10:26:07 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com (ndcrelay2.mcit.com [166.37.172.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA09319 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 10:26:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA31235; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 15:22:40 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990210152532.CMNR6156@toddnt>; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 09:25:32 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "JOE NAGY" , , Subject: RE: another pickup truck -Reply Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 10:24:02 -0500 Message-ID: <001001be5509$635b3160$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 When Sean Sullivan and I started our 1000/24 to Little Rock last year, Leon suggested this plan of action to avoid a speeding ticket. Works great. On at least two occassions witnessed bright brake lights ahead indicating that we should slow. Yup! There's papa bear. Another good one is to find someone with a Radar Detector. Spells over-confidence, and they make good rabbits for the bears. Todd > > > 5.0 Mustangs with "No Fear" or "Bad Boy Club" decals covering the rear > window are useful for this purpose also, although I like to screw with > 'em a little before I let 'em go. Silly boys. > > Joe > '85 zx 900 > > >>> Leon Begeman - 2/10/99 7:01 AM >>> > Now don't you guys go bad-mouthing those little cars with the stickers > and > coffee-can mufflers, they serve a very useful purpose. I've heard that > if > you rev the engine a little when stopped beside one of these at a > traffic > light, they'll take off fast. If you then stay just slightly behind > them > until you get to about 70 mph, then back off slightly (don't let them > notice you doing it,) and let them get about 1/4 mile ahead, they'll be > bear bait for you. . . Not that I've ever done this of course. > > Leon. > From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 10 10:49:30 1999 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA09767 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 10:49:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from mscex.mailteam.uscg.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA10406; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 10:26:17 -0500 (EST) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 10:51:42 -0500 Message-ID: <904D6E6114A7D211ACCD006008A37EBD032B67@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LT" To: "'McCoy, Brian NAB02'" , "'dc'" Subject: RE: cheap racer Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 10:51:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain I often forget that you can dissassemble one of these little suckers and throw them in a box pretty darn easy! The entire bike only weighs 150 lbs, so it can't be that bad... I was just looking for an excuse to go to the midwest ;-) On Wednesday, February 10, 1999 9:42 AM, McCoy, Brian NAB02 [SMTP:Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX] wrote: > same as my bike.. only different year frame (looks the same) and no > adjustable suspention.. worth the money.. and you can UPS the sucker (in 2 > boxes).. cheaper than driving out there and back.. unless you want to see > the bike.... > From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 10 11:12:04 1999 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA10195 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 11:12:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from mscex.mailteam.uscg.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA13082 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 10:48:48 -0500 (EST) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 11:14:12 -0500 Message-ID: <904D6E6114A7D211ACCD006008A37EBD032B6B@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LT" To: "'dc'" Subject: what will they think of next?? Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 11:14:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain A moto version maybe... Got this from another lister this morning..wouldn't wnat to ruing his fine reputation though ;-) http://www.bumperdumper.com/bumper2.htm Far too funny not to share! Collin From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 10 11:16:46 1999 Return-Path: garicao@XXXXXX Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (garicao@XXXXXX [151.200.199.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA10310 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 11:16:30 -0500 (EST) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id LAA17591; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 11:17:23 -0500 Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 11:17:21 -0500 (EST) From: Garcia Oliver To: Chris Norloff cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Unbelievable ... In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990210092507.01912700@mail.toward.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 10 Feb 1999, Chris Norloff wrote: > I think I see your point, but it's a fact that we send messages by what we > wear - that's why we wear a suit to a job interview and a t-shirt and > shorts to a summer picnic. > > For better or worse, there are clothing stereotypes - if someone wants to > make a certain statement they can do that. If they want to say that their > choice of clothing is unrelated to an accepted stereotype, then they must > accept the misunderstanding that inevitably occurs. Seems to me that the same reasoning would apply to what we ride as to what we wear. In the last paragraph change "clothing" to "motorcycling" and see how it reads. --garcia > > At 09:12 AM 2/10/99 , Todd Peer wrote: > >Uh oh! I feel a flame-war coming on. Maybe they dress like bad-asses > >because that is how you interpret how they dress. Some people actually have > >a different attitude about lifestyle dontcha know. I think it could be > >argued that it is prejudiced to interpret a persons tendency based on how > >they dress. > > > >Todd > > > >Chris Norloff wrote: > >> On one hand, discrimination of any kind is disturbing. > >> > >> On the other hand, if you dress to look like a bad-ass, what's the big > >> surprise when people think you're a bad-ass? > >> > >> Chris Norloff [snip] From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 10 11:18:20 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA10322 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 11:18:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id A14768C0298; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 11:18:15 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990210111244.01919110@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 11:23:19 -0500 To: From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Unbelievable ... In-Reply-To: <000e01be5507$3bc634d0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> References: <4.1.19990210092507.01912700@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Chris Norloff wrote: >> For better or worse, there are clothing stereotypes - if someone wants to >> make a certain statement they can do that. If they want to say that their >> choice of clothing is unrelated to an accepted stereotype, then they must >> accept the misunderstanding that inevitably occurs. > >At 10:08 AM 2/10/99 , Todd Peer wrote: >Here again, I agree with you where it matters to those who are concerned >with such things. I don't think bikers, punk rockers, etc. really care what >other people think. Nonsense. Why do so many dress alike? Black boots, blue jeans, black t-shirt, black leather vest, red bandanna -- that's the "Biker Uniform", what a significant proportion of "people-who-want-to-be-called-Bikers" wear. Go to a motorcycle show and watch how many people dress this way and don't ride. Go to Daytona and watch so many people dress the same to ... ahem ... express their individuality. >Clothing is not an indicator of character. Not directly, no. Anyone can buy a suit and pretend to be a business man, and anyone can buy black clothes and pretend to be a "biker". But this indicates how they wish to be perceived. >For that matter, how often have we discussed peoples >reaction to the way we dress to ride a motorcycle? Dressing to ride is one thing, dressing to make a statement is something else. I agree with most of what you've said. My point is only that choice of clothing makes a statement, people know this and choose particular ways of dress to show group allegiance, non-group allegiance, or no allegiance at all. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 10 11:18:21 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA10324 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 11:18:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id A14868C0298; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 11:18:16 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990210112356.0191df10@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 11:25:22 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Unbelievable ... -Reply In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:10 AM 2/10/99 , JOE NAGY wrote: >Well, yeah. But I once got the screw at a motel while dressed like a >total bad-ass in a wet rainsuit. In Wisconsin of all places. >Joe That's lousy. I always try to doff my riding gear, preferably out of view of the office, before walking in. Don't have much choice in the rain! Call first for reservations? Anyway, how'd you make out that night? Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 10 12:04:09 1999 Return-Path: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA11147 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 12:04:08 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id MAA21323; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 12:04:19 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma021103; Wed, 10 Feb 99 12:03:33 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F6Y0024W7EBYU@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 12:03:49 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 85256714.005D6F22 ; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 12:00:32 -0500 Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 11:57:16 -0500 Subject: Re: Unbelieveable To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <85256714.005CE548.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL More info on the Maine Bikers .... Note they are organized by the Hell's Angels, not you average RUB lawyer. Interesting, --chris http://cgi.newsweek.com/cgi-bin/nwframe?url=http://newsweek.com/nw-srv/tnw/ today/ps/ps01tu_1.htm ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 10 12:09:21 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA11244 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 12:09:19 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199902101709.MAA11244@meretrix.com> Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id <1T906DTS>; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 09:09:12 -0800 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: Gotta ask here first.. Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 09:09:10 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Sooo.. does anyone here have the ability to cut stickers? Or print t-shirts.. I'll take business to motorcyclists before anywhere else (unless I'm being blatently ripped off!).. :) looks like DC-Cycles Racing has a logo.. finally.. only 5 months after I first started inquiring about it.. woohoo!! Brian From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 10 12:21:15 1999 Return-Path: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA11479 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 12:21:13 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id MAA29263; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 12:22:35 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xmaa29137; Wed, 10 Feb 99 12:22:00 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F6Y002HP850YK@XXXXXX>; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 12:22:04 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 85256714.005EE539 ; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 12:16:30 -0500 Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 09:31:28 -0500 Subject: RE: Unbelievable ... To: Todd Peer Cc: Chris Norloff , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <85256714.004F8BA7.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Whoa! Before this gets outta hand ... (unless it makes for a good debate) :-) My intent of the original post wasn't to generate a debate on discrimination ... I just found it odd that bikers would seek protection under the right's act. It seems to me that the more likely reaction would have been something a bit less litigous and more individualistic. --chris To: Chris Norloff , dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: (bcc: Christopher Meier/P I/Arlington VA/C&L/US) From: Todd Peer Date: 02/10/99 02:12:01 PM GMT Subject: RE: Unbelievable ... Uh oh! I feel a flame-war coming on. Maybe they dress like bad-asses because that is how you interpret how they dress. Some people actually have a different attitude about lifestyle dontcha know. I think it could be argued that it is prejudiced to interpret a persons tendency based on how they dress. Todd Chris Norloff wrote: > On one hand, discrimination of any kind is disturbing. > > On the other hand, if you dress to look like a bad-ass, what's the big > surprise when people think you're a bad-ass? > > Chris Norloff > > > At 05:10 PM 2/9/99 , christopher.meier@XXXXXX wrote: > >Why didn't they ask for parking right out front while they we're at it? > > > >--chris > > > > > >----------------------------------------------------------------- > ---------- > >------------------------------- > >Maine Nixes Bill Protecting Bikers > >Tuesday, February 9, 1999; 4:39 p.m. EST > > > >AUGUSTA, Maine (AP) -- A panel of lawmakers unanimously decided > >Tuesday that bikers do not deserve special protection under the umbrella > >of the Maine Human Rights Act. > > > >Motorcycle enthusiasts claim their tough, tattooed and leather-clad > >appearance > >often leads to discrimination when they look for a place to dine or spend > >the night. > > > >The proposal would have amended the rights act -- which bars > discrimination ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 10 12:28:48 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA11615 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 12:28:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from omss5.mcit.com (omss5.mcit.com [166.37.210.27]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id RAA07380; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 17:27:53 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omss5.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 120) with SMTP id <19990210172811.QCFS7750@[166.41.242.214]>; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 11:28:11 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: Cc: "Chris Norloff" , Subject: RE: Unbelievable ... Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 12:26:41 -0500 Message-ID: <001801be551a$858996d0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <85256714.004F8BB2.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Chris Meier wrote > > Whoa! Before this gets outta hand ... (unless it makes for a good debate) > :-) I was hoping for a good flame-out personally. DC-Cycles has been too quiet for too long ;) > > My intent of the original post wasn't to generate a debate on > discrimination ... I just found it odd that bikers would seek protection > under the right's act. It seems to me that the more likely reaction would > have been something a bit less litigous and more individualistic. > Like what? Maybe the bikers should just kick the ass of the restaraunt owner who won't serve them? Bust the head of the bank manager that won't let them through the door? :) :) (smily's) Todd From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 10 12:29:00 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA11616 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 12:28:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from omss5.mcit.com (omss5-fddi.mcit.com [166.37.204.27]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id QAA31041; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 16:27:42 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omss5.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 120) with SMTP id <19990210172812.QCGC7750@[166.41.242.214]>; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 11:28:12 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Chris Norloff" , Subject: Last thought on RE: Unbelievable ... I promise! Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 12:26:41 -0500 Message-ID: <001901be551a$86024940$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990210111244.01919110@mail.toward.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Chris Norloff wrote: > >At 10:08 AM 2/10/99 , Todd Peer wrote: > >Here again, I agree with you where it matters to those who are concerned > >with such things. I don't think bikers, punk rockers, etc. > really care what > >other people think. > > Nonsense. Why do so many dress alike? Black boots, blue jeans, black > t-shirt, black leather vest, red bandanna -- that's the "Biker Uniform", > what a significant proportion of "people-who-want-to-be-called-Bikers" > wear. Go to a motorcycle show and watch how many people dress > this way and > don't ride. Go to Daytona and watch so many people dress the same to ... > ahem ... express their individuality. You are talking about two different groups of people. I should have clarified and said that "bikers, punks, etc. really don't care what people outside of their respective groups think". I believe there is similarity in dress to identify with the group and in some cases it is simply utilitarian. Chains on wallets protects money, knives on belts protects body, etc.. Can't and won't try to explain nose rings, spiky hair, black fingernails, but will guess it has to do with style. So in some sense, style would go to impressing others in 'the group'. > > > >Clothing is not an indicator of character. > > Not directly, no. Anyone can buy a suit and pretend to be a business man, > and anyone can buy black clothes and pretend to be a "biker". But this > indicates how they wish to be perceived. > If you're talking about fakers, yeah. Sure! But my original point was that some people actually HAVE a different attitude about lifestyles (the way they dress being one of them) and discriminating against a person for it is prejudice. A persons appearance says little if anything at all about that person. If it did we could use that knowledge to solve a LOT of social ills, like being able to positively identify murderers and rapists before they act. What exactly do murderers and rapists wear? I mean, who would have guessed Jeffery Dahmer ate people by the way he dressed?!! Of course, we can ID him as a convict by the way he dresses today :) But for the sake of argument your are correct, I don't see how it follows that even those that consciously dress to be perceived a certain way allows for discrimination or prejudice. > > >For that matter, how often have we discussed peoples > >reaction to the way we dress to ride a motorcycle? > > Dressing to ride is one thing, dressing to make a statement is > something else. But if people are free to perceive your demeanor based on how you are dressed, then simply dressing to ride could be and IS perceived in a negative way. It matters not why you are dressed that way. > > I agree with most of what you've said. My point is only that choice of > clothing makes a statement, people know this and choose particular ways of > dress to show group allegiance, non-group allegiance, or no > allegiance at all. Your points are taken well too, though I haven't seen how to justify discrimination based on the way you dress. Ok, enough said I think. Maybe next time we get together we can hash over this some more. I'll wear my "Welcome to Washington DC Motherfucker" t-shirt (speaks volumes dontcha think?) from the old Crow-Bar, and you wear something to impress me ;) Todd From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 10 12:49:58 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA11999 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 12:49:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA18340 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 12:49:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from goliath.intelsol.com (Goliath.intelsol.com [192.77.213.64]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA12092 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 12:49:52 -0500 (EST) From: Steve_Beck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 (600.1 3-26-1998)) id 85256714.00611778 ; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 12:40:30 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256714.0060F149.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 12:40:25 -0500 Subject: Re: Last thought on RE: Unbelievable ... I promise! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline The only thing he's wearing these days is 6 feet of dirt. I mean, who would have guessed Jeffery Dahmer ate people by the way he dressed?!! Of course, we can ID him as a convict by the way he dresses today :) From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 10 14:34:28 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA13971 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 14:34:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta1.mcit.com (omta1.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id SAA06194 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 18:33:24 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta1.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990210193347.FTLT16328@toddnt> for ; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 13:33:47 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: FW: Fox News (SpeedBoyz) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 14:32:23 -0500 Message-ID: <002701be552c$1507b060$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Anyone on this list hear about this? T > > Being in the cleveland area, we had lots of discussion at our > Saturday morning > breakfast meeting-suffice to say no one is very happy. What I > know-don't wear > vanson star gear, or you are likely to be targeted by the police > due to these > guys. They are making a fortune due to the video nationwide. > They also lost > one of their own last year, wheelying on a bridge, hit curb, > tankslapper, off > of bridge. There were very animated arguments about them at the > cycle show > Jan 29-31 and at local dealers as well. They are in the > Cleveland/akron area, > and I'm personally not happy, as I ride a vfr, am 22, and don't ride like > that. > greg > --- On Wed, 10 Feb 1999 12:38:31 -0600 Patrick > > wrote: > > >Wow was I shocked and disappointed in the coverage Fox News > >ran locally in D/FW last night covering a group of sportbike riders > > in Ohio.They call themselves a gang and they carry out their mischief > >and hooliganism on public roads. Their claim to fame is that they > >document their exploits on video cam and that video is being sold > >as entertainment over the net. They showed 100+mph wheelies by > >whole groups of riders as they make their way down the highway. > >Also shown was riders weaving through rush hour traffic going at > >least 100 with the helmet cam on the last rider showing the others > >just WFO as they cut off car after car. > > A few get offs were also shown to give the story some gore. > >The riders did display great skill in some segments,but the theme of > >disdain for others safety and in-your-face attitude prevented me from > >feeling anything other than disdain for this group. I was embarrassed > >to be a motorcyclist for a moment. > > The cops gave their side of the story and just said they > >were not going to chase these guys, but would just wait to pick > >up the pieces as none of these riders was long for this planet. > > Has anyone else seen this or a similiar story broadcast in > >their area? If so, what did you think? Does anybody have a copy of > >this video? Well I thought I would throw this out since the list was > >suffering PMS and might have an opinion worth hearing. > > Slo Poke in Big D > > > > -----------------End of Original Message----------------- > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Greg Sachs 91 VFR750F Systems Engineer > ges6@XXXXXX SAM gsachs@XXXXXX > 2/10/99 HSTA/AMA 1:53:14 PM > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 10 17:20:36 1999 Return-Path: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA16946 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 17:20:30 -0500 (EST) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id D25MHV3S; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 17:19:32 EST To: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: (SpeedBoyz) - a long ramble Message-ID: <19990210.133024.8103.1.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: <002701be552c$1507b060$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 12-13,24-25,29-30,34-35,42-43,45-48,50-120 From: Bikes R Us Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 17:19:32 EST I hadn't heard about this, but from what I read in your post, these guys are giving motorcycling a very bad name. This hobby (sport, lifestyle, whatever) has enough stigmatic baggage hanging on it as it is. We don't need people like them mucking up our collective image in any way. Like it or not, all of us are ambassadors of the sport and we're all on trial representing ourselves and each other every time we ride within sight or earshot of anyone else. We owe it to ourselves to be on our best behavior at all times. I go out of my way to be extra courteous to people around me even when I'm just DRESSED to ride, even when I'm not on the bike. I've found a lot of people expect you to be a jerk when you show up in moto gear and then seem surprised when you say "please" and "thank you" and hold doors and behave nicely. It shouldn't be this way, but I feel like it is. This is along the lines of the discussion a couple of you guys were having today about people's preconceived notions based on appearance and dress. Often, Harley-style bikers get treated differently from other people based solely on their appearance. I know this because I used to be one myself. I had long hair and wore a lot of black t-shirts and torn denim. I also didn't shave every day. I looked like a hard-ass (well, a small hard-ass, anyway) and old ladies shied away from me in public places. I got poor seating options at restaurants. I was ignored by sales people in retail stores. I experienced a lot of "we don't like your kind around here" attitudes based solely on my appearance. As a result, I was constantly having to win people over with manners and decorum. BMW-style riders seen to get more positive attention from the masses because they usually dress more...I don't know...socially responsibly? They look more businesslike or something. Please don't flame me, I can't seem to find the right description. Sportbike guys have their own monkey (or squid) on their backs. A-holes like the SpeedBoyz make the public think that motorcycles and their riders are dangerous menaces to society. They project all the wrong images. Nowadays, I have a military-style haircut and I dress neater. Generally, people treat me better right off the bat. In the winter, however, I usually grow a Van Dyke (sp?) goatee thing. Even this little change in my appearance effects a change in the average person's attitude toward me. My wife says I look meaner and a little intimidating on first impression, so I have to remember to smile more or people think I'm an evil human being. Wouldn't it be nice if people were less inclined to judge you by your appearance than your conduct? I like my ripped jeans... JohnDavid@Bikes R Us On Wed, 10 Feb 1999 14:32:23 -0500 "Todd Peer" writes: >Anyone on this list hear about this? > >T > > >> >> Being in the cleveland area, we had lots of discussion at our >> Saturday morning >> breakfast meeting-suffice to say no one is very happy. What I >> know-don't wear >> vanson star gear, or you are likely to be targeted by the police >> due to these >> guys. They are making a fortune due to the video nationwide. >> They also lost >> one of their own last year, wheelying on a bridge, hit curb, >> tankslapper, off >> of bridge. There were very animated arguments about them at the >> cycle show >> Jan 29-31 and at local dealers as well. They are in the >> Cleveland/akron area, >> and I'm personally not happy, as I ride a vfr, am 22, and don't ride >like >> that. >> greg >> --- On Wed, 10 Feb 1999 12:38:31 -0600 Patrick >> >> wrote: >> >> >Wow was I shocked and disappointed in the coverage Fox News >> >ran locally in D/FW last night covering a group of sportbike riders >> > in Ohio.They call themselves a gang and they carry out their >mischief >> >and hooliganism on public roads. Their claim to fame is that they >> >document their exploits on video cam and that video is being sold >> >as entertainment over the net. They showed 100+mph wheelies by >> >whole groups of riders as they make their way down the highway. >> >Also shown was riders weaving through rush hour traffic going at >> >least 100 with the helmet cam on the last rider showing the others >> >just WFO as they cut off car after car. >> > A few get offs were also shown to give the story some gore. >> >The riders did display great skill in some segments,but the theme >of >> >disdain for others safety and in-your-face attitude prevented me >from >> >feeling anything other than disdain for this group. I was >embarrassed >> >to be a motorcyclist for a moment. >> > The cops gave their side of the story and just said they >> >were not going to chase these guys, but would just wait to pick >> >up the pieces as none of these riders was long for this planet. >> > Has anyone else seen this or a similiar story broadcast in >> >their area? If so, what did you think? Does anybody have a copy of >> >this video? Well I thought I would throw this out since the list >was >> >suffering PMS and might have an opinion worth hearing. >> > Slo Poke in Big D >> > >> >> -----------------End of Original Message----------------- >> >> >-------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Greg Sachs 91 VFR750F Systems Engineer >> ges6@XXXXXX SAM gsachs@XXXXXX >> 2/10/99 HSTA/AMA 1:53:14 PM >> >-------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 10 18:11:14 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com (ndcrelay2.mcit.com [166.37.172.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA17851 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 18:11:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta1.mcit.com (omta1.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id XAA10325; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 23:07:26 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta1.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990210231011.GXFG16328@toddnt>; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 17:10:11 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Bikes R Us" Cc: Subject: RE: (SpeedBoyz) - a long ramble Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 18:08:45 -0500 Message-ID: <004201be554a$4ee73a30$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <19990210.133024.8103.1.bike.dealer@juno.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 John David wrote: > I hadn't heard about this, but from what I read in your post, these guys > are giving motorcycling a very bad name. This hobby (sport, lifestyle, > whatever) has enough stigmatic baggage hanging on it as it is. We don't > need people like them mucking up our collective image in any way. Like it > or not, all of us are ambassadors of the sport and we're all on trial > representing ourselves and each other every time we ride within sight or > earshot of anyone else. Oh man, here we go again! Disagree on the grounds that ignorant people aren't capable of building a sturdy image of motorcycling and motorcyclists. But I know what you mean. > We owe it to ourselves to be on our best behavior > at all times. I go out of my way to be extra courteous to people around > me even when I'm just DRESSED to ride, even when I'm not on the bike. I don't think you'd appreciate a West Side Double Yellow ride ;) > I've found a lot of people expect you to be a jerk when you show up in > moto gear and then seem surprised when you say "please" and "thank you" > and hold doors and behave nicely. It shouldn't be this way, but I feel > like it is. Somebody wrote a book on current culture and how we've gotten away from basic courtesy. Sorry, I can't remember the guys name. He was being interviewed on the radio. The conclusions were that as a result of not taking the time to say "please" and "thank you", people become a little more irritated/frustrated because there appears to be a lack of appreciation. Politeness and courtesy are the lubricant of a civil society. > > This is along the lines of the discussion a couple of you guys were > having today about people's preconceived notions based on appearance and > dress. Often, Harley-style bikers get treated differently from other > people based solely on their appearance. I know this because I used to be > one myself. I had long hair and wore a lot of black t-shirts and torn > denim. I also didn't shave every day. I looked like a hard-ass (well, a > small hard-ass, anyway) and old ladies shied away from me in public > places. I got poor seating options at restaurants. I was ignored by sales > people in retail stores. I experienced a lot of "we don't like your kind > around here" attitudes based solely on my appearance. As a result, I was > constantly having to win people over with manners and decorum. Why didn't you just kick their asses! :) > > BMW-style riders seen to get more positive attention from the masses > because they usually dress more...I don't know...socially responsibly? > They look more businesslike or something. Please don't flame me, I can't > seem to find the right description. Standard? Typical? Customary? Common? (Run/duck/cover) > > Sportbike guys have their own monkey (or squid) on their backs. A-holes > like the SpeedBoyz make the public think that motorcycles and their > riders are dangerous menaces to society. They project all the wrong > images. Bloody images when we're lucky, IMO. But we probably shouldn't pidgeon hole riders based on the style of bike they ride. I know a couple of sportbike riders who are a-holes, but ride sensibly ;) > > Nowadays, I have a military-style haircut and I dress neater. Generally, > people treat me better right off the bat. In the winter, however, I > usually grow a Van Dyke (sp?) goatee thing. Even this little change in my > appearance effects a change in the average person's attitude toward me. > My wife says I look meaner and a little intimidating on first impression, > so I have to remember to smile more or people think I'm an evil human > being. > > Wouldn't it be nice if people were less inclined to judge you by your > appearance than your conduct? I like my ripped jeans... Here here. Nice venting John. Todd From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 10 19:00:41 1999 Return-Path: jckozyn@XXXXXX Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA18803 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 19:00:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id TAA28351 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 19:00:36 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36C24889.6D79@mnsinc.com> Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 19:03:37 -0800 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Insurance Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey DC Guys & Gals, Thanks to all who took the time to e-mail me their thoughts on the medical portion of insurance. I've concluded it's not worth it since I have a decent HMO. Also, according to the insurance drone I spoke with today, it's not that I'm an old(er) guy that I'm getting a decent rate with State Farm, it's cuz' I'm married. YMMV of course JK (-12 points and counting !) 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------=_NextPart_000_011C_01BE5534.23416060-- From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 10 21:00:35 1999 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA20978 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 21:00:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA05291 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 21:00:30 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 21:00:30 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: (SpeedBoyz) - a long ramble In-Reply-To: <004201be554a$4ee73a30$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 10 Feb 1999, Todd Peer wrote: > > We owe it to ourselves to be on our best behavior > > at all times. I go out of my way to be extra courteous to people around > > me even when I'm just DRESSED to ride, even when I'm not on the bike. > > I don't think you'd appreciate a West Side Double Yellow ride ;) Why? We always say please and thank you. Kirk From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 10 21:44:13 1999 Return-Path: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from pm05sm.pmm.cw.net (pm05sm.pmm.cw.net [208.159.126.154]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA21691 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 21:43:56 -0500 (EST) From: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from a (usr49-dialup39.mix2.Boston.cw.net [166.55.79.39]) by PM05SM.PMM.CW.NET (PMDF V5.2-29 #35323) with SMTP id <0F6Y00IHZY7PMP@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 02:43:04 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 21:42:41 +0000 Subject: Re: (SpeedBoyz) - a long ramble To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Message-id: <00f501be553e$4aec8360$274f37a6@a> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal >> I don't think you'd appreciate a West Side Double Yellow ride ;) > >Why? We always say please and thank you. > >Kirk Yeah, we wave to the cars when we pass them.............. Jon From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 10 23:00:59 1999 Return-Path: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from pm06sm.pmm.cw.net (pm06sm.pmm.cw.net [208.159.126.155]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA23013 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 23:00:47 -0500 (EST) From: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from a (usr49-dialup39.mix2.Boston.cw.net [166.55.79.39]) by PM06SM.PMM.CW.NET (PMDF V5.2-29 #35324) with SMTP id <0F6Z0008D1S02L@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 04:00:04 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 22:59:40 +0000 Subject: Not for the squimish To: dc cycles Message-id: <016b01be5549$0bc6bce0$274f37a6@a> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Here's what you can look forward to if you ride w/o a helmet........ http://www.goregallery.com/motorcycle/motor3.jpg Why is he wearing a leather jacket? Jon From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 10 23:53:03 1999 Return-Path: ewiley@XXXXXX Received: from kamuelle.campus.vt.edu (kamuelle.campus.vt.edu [198.82.109.118]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA23874 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 23:53:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from kamuelle.campus.vt.edu (kamuelle.campus.vt.edu [198.82.109.118]) by kamuelle.campus.vt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA27663 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 23:54:39 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from ewiley@XXXXXX) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 23:54:39 -0500 (EST) From: Karl Mueller X-Sender: ewiley@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: very funny story Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII This is why you: a) park your bike out of sight, or b) park with that group of harley's in the parking lot... http://www.milk.com/wall-o-shame/smokers_rites.html --Karl Mueller From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 11 08:54:46 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA03492 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 08:54:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id A12490037C; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 08:54:44 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990211084144.017edbb0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 08:47:21 -0500 To: From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Last thought on RE: Unbelievable ... I promise! In-Reply-To: <001901be551a$86024940$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> References: <4.1.19990210111244.01919110@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:26 PM 2/10/99 , Todd Peer wrote: >You are talking about two different groups of people. I should have >clarified and said that "bikers, punks, etc. really don't care what people >outside of their respective groups think". Until they go into a store, or a restaurant, or ... >But for the sake of argument your are correct, I don't see how it follows >that even those that consciously dress to be perceived a certain way allows >for discrimination or prejudice. It doesn't "allow" discrimination, and I don't condone it. But it's human to read the message(s) people send by their manner of dress, and there may be results. How about this -- imagine a guy wearing a skin-tight pink suit and wearing a broad-brim hat with fringe. He walks into a biker bar at midnight Saturday night. What do you suppose those "anti-predjudice" and "bikers' rights" people will do? >Your points are taken well too, though I haven't seen how to justify >discrimination based on the way you dress. Not to justify it, just to accept the reality of it. And to acknowledge that if you dress to fit a negative stereotype, it does not take a rocket scientist to figure out that you will be negatively stereotyped. >Ok, enough said I think. Maybe next time we get together we can hash over >this some more. I'll wear my "Welcome to Washington DC Motherfucker" >t-shirt (speaks volumes dontcha think?) from the old Crow-Bar, and you wear >something to impress me ;) Hmmm ... :-) Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 11 08:54:44 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA03488 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 08:54:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id A12290037C; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 08:54:42 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990211082223.017ed320@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 08:24:13 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Unbelieveable In-Reply-To: <85256714.005CE548.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" That's funny ... "Hell's Angels", a name synonomous with outlaw bikers and gangs, and they "just want to be treated like anyone else." I doubt that will ever happen, and they know it. Chris Norloff At 11:57 AM 2/10/99 , christopher.meier@XXXXXX wrote: >More info on the Maine Bikers .... Note they are organized by the Hell's >Angels, not you average RUB lawyer. > >Interesting, >--chris > >http://cgi.newsweek.com/cgi-bin/nwframe?url=http://newsweek.com/nw-srv/tnw/ >today/ps/ps01tu_1.htm >---------------------------------------------------------------- >The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to >which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged >material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or >taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or >entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received >this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any >computer. > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 11 08:54:44 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA03486 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 08:54:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id A12190037C; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 08:54:41 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990211075615.017ea900@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 08:20:44 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Unbelievable ... In-Reply-To: References: <4.1.19990210092507.01912700@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >On Wed, 10 Feb 1999, Chris Norloff wrote: >> For better or worse, there are clothing stereotypes - if someone wants to >> make a certain statement they can do that. If they want to say that their >> choice of clothing is unrelated to an accepted stereotype, then they must >> accept the misunderstanding that inevitably occurs. > >t 11:17 AM 2/10/99 , Garcia Oliver wrote: >Seems to me that the same reasoning would apply to what we ride as to >what we wear. In the last paragraph change "clothing" to "motorcycling" >and see how it reads. >--garcia It reads the same, and it also has some validity - different motorcycles send different messages. A loud black bike with Death's Head artwork will be perceived differently than a beige Goldwing with a stuffed animal on the trunk. To say people should never draw distinctions in what they see is unrealistic; to say that people don't knowingly send messages by the bikes they ride and the clothes they wear is disingenuous. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 11 08:58:51 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA03583 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 08:58:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from omss5.mcit.com (omss5-fddi.mcit.com [166.37.204.27]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id MAA08634; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 12:56:18 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omss5.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 120) with SMTP id <19990211135647.FGVC7750@[166.41.242.214]>; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 07:56:47 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "John C. Kozyn" , "dc-cycles" Subject: RE: Insurance Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 08:55:07 -0500 Message-ID: <000301be55c6$21de87b0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <36C24889.6D79@mnsinc.com> Importance: Normal John Kozyn wrote: > > JK (-12 points and counting !) > Hey John, In VA you can take a Saturday DMV course for road safety or somat that translates to points off your record. I'm not sure the exact number but it is either 3 or 5. I think you are allowed to take the course once every two years, so instead of waiting 4 years (3 pt/yr) you could be in the good graces of your state overlords w/in 2 years (3pt for class this year, lose 3 this year and next, take class in 2nd yr for another 3). Just something to think about. Hey, I think that DMV allows you to accumulate good points too, up to a certain amount (like 5?). I might consider wasting a Saturday with you if you want, just for a little point insurance ;) Todd From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 11 09:19:01 1999 Return-Path: Turnip@XXXXXX Received: from uhura.concentric.net (uhura.concentric.net [206.173.118.93]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA03955 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 09:19:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from mariner.cris.com (mariner [206.173.119.83]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id JAA16338; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 09:18:57 -0500 (EST) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Errors-To: Received: from localhost by mariner.cris.com (8.8.5) id JAA07744; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 09:18:56 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 09:18:56 -0500 (EST) From: "Hugh A. Caldwell" To: dawn.jon@XXXXXX cc: dc cycles Subject: Re: Not for the squimish In-Reply-To: <016b01be5549$0bc6bce0$274f37a6@a> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Thanks, you've just convinced me to sell my bikes and buy an SUV. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek 97PGT ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 11 09:38:21 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA04286 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 09:38:17 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id JAA01342; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 09:39:20 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma001212; Thu, 11 Feb 99 09:38:54 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F6Z003I4VD0B9@XXXXXX>; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 09:39:10 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 85256715.00502EAD ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 09:35:48 -0500 Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 09:31:21 -0500 Subject: Re: Not for the squimish To: "Hugh A. Caldwell" Cc: dawn.jon@XXXXXX, dc cycles Message-id: <85256715.004FDD7A.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL I'll take the VFR off of your hands free of charge... Chris Weaver From: "Hugh A. Caldwell" Thanks, you've just convinced me to sell my bikes and buy an SUV. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek 97PGT ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 11 09:42:04 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from www.troutman.org (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA04368 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 09:42:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from vulture (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by www.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.56) with SMTP id 438; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 09:41:19 -0500 Message-Id: <4.1.19990211094039.01a89350@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 09:41:16 -0500 To: got2b_a_xx@XXXXXX From: "Mike Troutman" Subject: RE: t-shirts....suprebowl......Sean and Email.... Cc: D C In-Reply-To: <19990126162945.17628.rocketmail@send202.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" So - did we ever have enough for the t-shirts, or is Sean returning our checks? ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 11 09:45:16 1999 Return-Path: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA04485 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 09:45:14 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id JAA05997; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 09:46:21 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma005427; Thu, 11 Feb 99 09:44:26 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F6Z003OAVMJIL@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 09:44:44 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 85256715.0050B409 ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 09:41:29 -0500 Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 09:40:47 -0500 Subject: Re: Not for the squimish To: "Hugh A. Caldwell" Cc: dc cycles Message-id: <85256715.00506FC9.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL DON"T DO IT! Those things are deathtraps that roll over at the drop of a hat! :-) --chris To: dawn.jon@XXXXXX cc: dc cycles From: "Hugh A. Caldwell" Date: 02/11/99 02:18:56 PM GMT Subject: Re: Not for the squimish Thanks, you've just convinced me to sell my bikes and buy an SUV. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek 97PGT ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 11 10:17:46 1999 Return-Path: got2b_a_xx@XXXXXX Received: from send201.yahoomail.com (send201.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.125]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA05051 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 10:17:44 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990211151715.4540.rocketmail@send201.yahoomail.com> Received: from [140.188.64.152] by send201.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 07:17:15 PST Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 07:17:15 -0800 (PST) From: c j Subject: RE: t-shirts....suprebowl......Sean and Email.... To: Mike Troutman Cc: D C MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mike, the shirt order is still going on, no need to worry,just waiting for a few more checks to come in I believe. Sean now has E-mail, so he should be addressing this issue....his addy is redsullivan@XXXXXX just in case you want to contact him directly... ---Mike Troutman wrote: > > So - did we ever have enough for the t-shirts, or is Sean returning our checks? > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org > > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 11 10:22:24 1999 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA05139 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 10:22:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 10:21:30 -0500 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 10:21:30 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 11:20:49 -0500 From: JOE NAGY To: bike.dealer@XXXXXX, todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: (SpeedBoyz) - a long ramble -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Don't know exactly what to do about Speedboyz-type jerkoffs, but I try to go out of my way to do things that might leave a favorable impression. Whenever possible, I pull over to offer help when I see Grandma and Gramps on the side of the road. It's usually a flat, and takes only about 10 or 15 minutes. They quickly get over my leather jacket/ripped jeans/goatee thing, and I'll bet they tell people about the nice young man on the bullet bike/Harley/cycle thing who changed their tire. Hell, I usually have to turn down their money. Little things can mean a lot and if not, then at the very least it's good karma. FWIW, Joe From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 11 10:38:21 1999 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA05444 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 10:38:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 10:37:40 -0500 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 10:37:39 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 11:36:53 -0500 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Insurance -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline John wrote: "I've concluded it's not worth it since I have a decent HMO." Pray that you never hear the word "cancer" from your doctor, or you'll find that "decent HMO" is the ugliest of oxymorons. Joe (doing ok so far) From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 11 10:57:41 1999 Return-Path: mark.petty@XXXXXX Received: from crpstva-msg-01.hscribe.com ([208.138.226.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA05803 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 10:57:29 -0500 (EST) Received: by crpstva-msg-01.hscribe.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id <14L92YBQ>; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 10:52:38 -0500 Message-ID: From: Mark Petty To: "'cycles'" Subject: seasonally challenged Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 10:52:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Everyone in the area must have been going through withdrawl, cause, man, the bikes have been showing up the last couple of nights. Tuesday night I saw three Harleys and a guy and his girlfriend on a brand new F4 (freezing their tuckasses off, too, I might add, in winter jackets, jeans, and tennies). Last night I saw four bikes on the road and three others already parked at Borders. And then there was the four pack of GWs this morning coming out of Sterling. Way up from the normal average of, um, less than one bike a day. On a different note, my wife finally bought me something for my bike (actually, stickers for my cue-ball white helmet). Look! She's being vaguely supportive of my riding! Anybody else out there have a S.O. that's so worried about crashes that they're usually annoyed at you when ever you decide to go riding? -Mark From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 11 11:13:04 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail04.usace.army.mil (mcxmail04.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.222]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA06083 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 11:12:42 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199902111612.LAA06083@meretrix.com> Received: by mcxmail04.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id <1WKM8P6F>; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 08:12:29 -0800 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: seasonally challenged Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 08:12:28 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) > Anybody else out there have a S.O. > that's so worried about crashes that they're usually annoyed > at you when ever you decide to go riding? The only people I really know that have SOs are Collin.. and his wife almost tosses him out the door and onto the bike in the summer so she can have the house to herself.. And Tom & Jeannette... who both ride often.. I thought that's the way it was with everyone? Heck, every girl I've been involved with lately either rides, owns a bike, or has always wanted to (and I'm pushing through MSF)... maybe I just have good taste? Or is it just luck? *shrug* My VFR is my mistress.. Brian From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 11 11:19:05 1999 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA06184 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 11:18:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from mscex.mailteam.uscg.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA15351; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 10:55:25 -0500 (EST) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 11:20:57 -0500 Message-ID: <904D6E6114A7D211ACCD006008A37EBD04D05A@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LT" To: "'Mark Petty'" , "'cycles'" Subject: RE: seasonally challenged Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 11:20:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Lord no!!! thank goodness. In fact, she often tells me to get the hell out of the house nad go riding so that I'm out of her hair nad not as cranky. And I honestly can say that I probably wouldn't have married her if she wasn't supportive of my motorcycliing addiction ;-) Collin On Thursday, February 11, 1999 11:07 AM, Mark Petty [SMTP:mark.petty@XXXXXX] wrote: Anybody else out there have a S.O. > that's so worried about crashes that they're usually annoyed at you when > ever you decide to go riding? > > -Mark From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 11 11:21:15 1999 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA06289 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 11:21:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 11:20:19 -0500 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 11:20:11 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 12:19:46 -0500 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, mark.petty@XXXXXX Subject: seasonally challenged -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Riding, no problemo. Racing, BEEEG problemo. Joe: "Yes honey, I really need $20 worth of spark plugs" >>> Mark Petty - 2/11/99 10:52 AM >>> -snip- She's being vaguely supportive of my riding! Anybody else out there have a S.O. that's so worried about crashes that they're usually annoyed at you when ever you decide to go riding? -Mark From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 11 11:28:20 1999 Return-Path: raymondlucas@XXXXXX Received: from send206.yahoomail.com (send206.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.130]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA06436 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 11:28:18 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990211162821.21431.rocketmail@send206.yahoomail.com> Received: from [209.48.193.3] by send206.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 08:28:21 PST Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 08:28:21 -0800 (PST) From: Ray Subject: Balt Bike Show: What's the plan? To: DCCycles List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Anyone have a plan for the Balt Bike Show this weekend? I plan to go Friday or maybe Saturday, some people were talking about meeting up before or at the show. _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 11 11:46:29 1999 Return-Path: SuazoT@XXXXXX Received: from peosmtp.PEOSTAMIS.BELVOIR.ARMY.MIL (peosmtp.peostamis.belvoir.army.mil [160.147.8.35]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA06883 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 11:46:28 -0500 (EST) Received: by peosmtp.peostamis.belvoir.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id <1X1989FD>; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 11:46:08 -0500 Message-ID: <311E65DE4D34D1118EEB0000F62EC3913F20A1@zeus.peostamis.belvoir.army.mil> From: "Suazo, Tony" To: DC Cycles Subject: seasonally challenged - reply Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 11:46:04 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) << Anybody else out there have a S.O. that's so worried about crashes that they're usually annoyed at you when ever you decide to go riding? >> -- Mark My fiance has been riding since she was 17. She rides a Suzuki Intruder 800. However, because I ride a sportbike, she used to be the same way last year when I traded my EX500 in for my CBR600 F3. I'm sure she still worries about crashes, but she's no longer annoyed at me. Now, she just worries about it being too "cold". Anyway, I guess she's just used to seeing my go out on the bike. I hope the same for you because I can definitely relate. Tony From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 11 11:49:57 1999 Return-Path: mark.petty@XXXXXX Received: from crpstva-msg-01.hscribe.com ([208.138.226.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA06909 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 11:49:55 -0500 (EST) Received: by crpstva-msg-01.hscribe.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id <14L92Y24>; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 11:45:02 -0500 Message-ID: From: Mark Petty To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: seasonally challenged Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 11:45:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain > From: McCoy, Brian NAB02 [SMTP:Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX] > > The only people I really know that have SOs are Collin.. and his wife > almost > tosses him out the door and onto the bike in the summer so she can > have the > house to herself.. And Tom & Jeannette... who both ride often.. I > thought > that's the way it was with everyone? Heck, every girl I've been > involved > with lately either rides, owns a bike, or has always wanted to (and > I'm > pushing through MSF)... maybe I just have good taste? Or is it just > luck? > *shrug* > > My VFR is my mistress.. > > Brian > I think there's a big difference between GF's and wives. Wives seem to have this fear that you're gonna die, and leave them all alone to raise the kids. And this is one of the few things that she doesn't like that I can't claim as a pre-existing condition when we got married. But like I said, she seems to be coming around. At least not stressing as much. Maybe in five or six years she'll even be relaxed when I grab my helmet. And not go ballistic at the thought of me riding in the rain. -Mark My wife is my, well, wife. My VF1100C is my preferred transportation. From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 11 11:51:08 1999 Return-Path: F4Rider@XXXXXX Received: from viper.bcbsblue.com (viper.bcbsblue.com [208.146.143.1]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA06992 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 11:51:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from viper.bcbsblue.com (root@localhost) by viper.bcbsblue.com with ESMTP id LAA10867 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 11:51:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com ([199.97.109.162]) by viper.bcbsblue.com with ESMTP id LAA10860 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 11:51:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com (root@localhost) by nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com with ESMTP id LAA04421 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 11:53:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from bc41466 ([172.16.5.82]) by nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com with SMTP id LAA04417 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 11:53:54 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990211114855.012945a0@ns2.pgcc.net> X-Sender: brad@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 11:48:55 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Brad Subject: Re: seasonally challenged / This morning In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Wow, this morning was great out! I usually ride into work at 4:30am, but thanks to something wierd in the cosmos, I didn't get up and the door until 6:45am! And man, it was great, even with the traffic. Also, I got to see some other bikes on the road, which NEVER happens in the wee hours, when temps are in the 20s and 30s... Had one honk at me as he flew down the middle of the two lanes on Suitland parkway (Not sure what the bike was, only got a glimpse), and waved to a VFR just over the South Capitol St bridge. Either of those two on the list here? (I was the grey 'stich on the F4) Brad 99 CBR600 F4 From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 11 11:51:31 1999 Return-Path: jip98@XXXXXX Received: from amerchem.acs.org ([208.209.231.222]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA06994 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 11:51:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from wash58.acs.org by wash24 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA18502; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 11:50:09 -0500 Received: by WASH58 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 11:51:34 -0500 Message-Id: <9501B54F9880D211B44600A0C9EBEE96F0A6@WASH58> From: Jason Picton Reply-To: picton@XXXXXX To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: seasonally challenged Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 11:51:26 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" (snip) Anybody else out there have a S.O. that's so worried about crashes that they're usually annoyed at you when ever you decide to go riding? -Mark My wife(SO) who is a ER Nurse, refers to my motorcycles as "donorcycles" and worries when I go riding. The only reason she lets me keep them is my attitude is usually drastically improved when I get back from a ride. That and I think she like having the house to herself on Sunny afternoons for the undisturbed nap!! Jason From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 11 11:55:49 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA07049 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 11:55:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from omss5.mcit.com (omss5-fddi.mcit.com [166.37.204.27]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA05119; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 15:54:39 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omss5.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 120) with SMTP id <19990211165508.JVDE7750@[166.41.242.214]>; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 10:55:08 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Ray" , "DCCycles List" Subject: RE: Balt Bike Show: What's the plan? Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 11:53:26 -0500 Message-ID: <001a01be55df$0b5f8570$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <19990211162821.21431.rocketmail@send206.yahoomail.com> Importance: Normal Can't gauruntee when I'll be there, but I'll be there sometime Saturday afternoon. Todd > > > Anyone have a plan for the Balt Bike Show this weekend? I plan to go > Friday or maybe Saturday, some people were talking about meeting up > before or at the show. > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 11 12:06:33 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA07374 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 12:06:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from ringding.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.126.2]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA05817 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 12:06:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from animal.DINFOS.OSD.MIL (animal.dinfos.osd.mil [199.122.55.11]) by ringding.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA25022 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 12:06:26 -0500 (EST) Received: by ANIMAL.dinfos.osd.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <12LRZ192>; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 12:06:33 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: seasonally challenged Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 12:06:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain My significant other was really annoyed when I bought my first one since we had been married. That could've been because I didn't tell her when I bought it; I just parked it outside the house and told her I had something outside to show her. She didn't speak to me for a solid month, but she got over it when I finally convinced her to ride with me once. She still worried about my riding it. About 8 months later, I had an accident that really wasn't my fault. A young woman turned into my path from the center lane ("Honestly, officer, I didn't see him.") I flew over the handlebars, danced on her hood and landed on the other side of the car. I broke two bones in my hand. While my wife and I were sitting in the emergency room, she gave me that look. Not quite the "I told you so" look but the "maybe it's time to buy you a truck with the insurance money." Before she could open her mouth, I looked at her and said, "You know I have to buy another motorcycle. It's just like riding a horse; if you get thrown, you have to get right back on." She didn't like it, but she understood. Now, she tells people who ask her why she "lets" me ride that if the Good Lord is going to take me, it doesn't matter what I'm doing -- driving a car, mowing the yard, riding the motorcycle -- it's my time to go. I've mentioned a couple of times about selling it because we have children getting ready for college, but she just says to me, "I know you won't be happy without it. It's paid for, and all it's costing us is insurance, so you just go ahead and keep it." Boy, do I love her! Mitch -----Original Message----- From: Mark Petty [mailto:mark.petty@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, February 11, 1999 10:53 AM To: 'cycles' Subject: seasonally challenged Everyone in the area must have been going through withdrawl, cause, man, the bikes have been showing up the last couple of nights. Tuesday night I saw three Harleys and a guy and his girlfriend on a brand new F4 (freezing their tuckasses off, too, I might add, in winter jackets, jeans, and tennies). Last night I saw four bikes on the road and three others already parked at Borders. And then there was the four pack of GWs this morning coming out of Sterling. Way up from the normal average of, um, less than one bike a day. On a different note, my wife finally bought me something for my bike (actually, stickers for my cue-ball white helmet). Look! She's being vaguely supportive of my riding! Anybody else out there have a S.O. that's so worried about crashes that they're usually annoyed at you when ever you decide to go riding? -Mark From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 11 12:14:07 1999 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA07518 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 12:14:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA18786 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 12:14:00 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 12:14:00 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: seasonally challenged In-Reply-To: <9501B54F9880D211B44600A0C9EBEE96F0A6@WASH58> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 11 Feb 1999, Jason Picton wrote: > My wife(SO) who is a ER Nurse, refers to my motorcycles as "donorcycles" and > worries when I go riding. The only reason she lets me keep them is my > attitude is usually drastically improved when I get back from a ride. That > and I think she like having the house to herself on Sunny afternoons for the > undisturbed nap!! I always find the donorcycles thing amusing. I'm sure she sees more car accident victims. So, are they donormobiles? What about all the accidents around the home, e.g., in the bathtub? The donorwash? I realize there's not much you can do about these conceptions but they just aren't logical. The vast majority of riders I know have never been to the emergency room for a moto accident... ER workers get such a skewed sample. Still, I wonder how many cases of road rash butt they get in beach towns... Those thongs just don't look that protective and the riders don't look that skilled to me. Kirk From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 11 12:25:35 1999 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA07682 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 12:25:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 12:24:17 -0500 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 12:24:16 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 13:23:45 -0500 From: JOE NAGY To: jip98@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, picton@XXXXXX Subject: RE: seasonally challenged -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Jason wrote: My wife(SO) who is a ER Nurse, refers to my motorcycles as "donorcycles" and -snip- Wow man, whatta archaic 'tude, even for a medical type. Don't we have a MD or two on this list? Joe From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 11 12:38:25 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA07934 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 12:38:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id A57525F02B8; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 12:37:57 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990211123948.0182d740@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 12:40:26 -0500 To: "'dc'" From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: seasonally challenged In-Reply-To: <199902111612.LAA06083@meretrix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> Anybody else out there have a S.O. >> that's so worried about crashes that they're usually annoyed >> at you when ever you decide to go riding? With my wife and kids there's never a question of my riding, and they often come along with me. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 11 13:13:18 1999 Return-Path: Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA08538 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 13:13:13 -0500 (EST) Received: by dadc012.hqda.pentagon.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id <1S1HDYMF>; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 13:12:06 -0500 Message-ID: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46F263B79@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: seasonally challenged Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 13:12:06 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Alright, I can't handle any more PW stories about wives and bikes. I think I'm going to vomit. The solution to this one below is to NOT have them. Glenn (flame suit on) >I think there's a big difference between GF's and wives. Wives seem to >have this fear that you're gonna die, and leave them all alone to raise >the kids. From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 11 13:19:46 1999 Return-Path: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA08617 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 13:19:42 -0500 (EST) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id D27R6KFC; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 13:19:12 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: seasonally challenged Message-ID: <19990211.104210.4479.0.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 3-4,7-9 From: Bikes R Us Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 13:19:12 EST My wife is actually bugging me to BUY a bike. She's scheduled to take the MSF class in April and she wants me to buy a bike that's big enough for the two of us to ride together and yet small enough for her to ride alone. I ran through a long string of girlfriends who disliked motorcycles before I found the woman of my dreams, though, so I know where the unlucky ones are coming from. JohnDavid@Bikes R Us ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 11 13:56:23 1999 Return-Path: mark.petty@XXXXXX Received: from crpstva-msg-01.hscribe.com ([208.138.226.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA09246 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 13:56:18 -0500 (EST) Received: by crpstva-msg-01.hscribe.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id <14L92YYN>; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 13:51:23 -0500 Message-ID: From: Mark Petty To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: seasonally challenged Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 13:51:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain > Alright, I can't handle any more PW stories about wives and bikes. I > think > I'm going to vomit. The solution to this one below is to NOT have > them. > > Glenn (flame suit on) > > >I think there's a big difference between GF's and wives. Wives seem > to > >have this fear that you're gonna die, and leave them all alone to > raise > >the kids. > And what, keep living like we're all 19 forever? From PW to Peter Pan. Ya, not having kids is an option. So's not having a wife. Or any responsibilities whatsoever that'll get in the way of immediate gratification. I'm sorry if my discussing riding and relationships bothers you. I thought it was appropriate for a cycles list. Maybe we need to get back to the old standbys, gun control, or a good old fashioned helmet discussion. -Mark From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 11 14:07:22 1999 Return-Path: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA09481 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 14:07:20 -0500 (EST) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id D27UU3PA; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 14:06:27 EST To: Dysart@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: seasonally challenged Message-ID: <19990211.110537.4479.2.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46F263B79@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-5,7-9,12-15,18 From: Bikes R Us Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 14:06:27 EST It was the "woman of my dreams" part, wasn't it? Sorry. I got carried away... :-) JohnDavid@Bikes R Us ps. You've got to have kids. Who else is gonna do the yardwork while you're out riding? On Thu, 11 Feb 1999 13:12:06 -0500 "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" writes: >Alright, I can't handle any more PW stories about wives and bikes. I think I'm going >to vomit. The solution to this one below is to NOT have them. > >Glenn (flame suit on) > >>I think there's a big difference between GF's and wives. Wives seem to have this >>fear that you're gonna die, and leave them all alone to raise the kids. ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 11 14:30:16 1999 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA09870 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 14:30:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 14:29:18 -0500 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 14:29:18 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 15:28:28 -0500 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, mark.petty@XXXXXX Subject: RE: seasonally challenged -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline What kinda gun? >>> Mark Petty - 2/11/99 1:51 PM >>> > Alright, I can't handle any more PW stories about wives and bikes. I > think > I'm going to vomit. The solution to this one below is to NOT have > them. > > Glenn (flame suit on) > > >I think there's a big difference between GF's and wives. Wives seem > to > >have this fear that you're gonna die, and leave them all alone to > raise > >the kids. > And what, keep living like we're all 19 forever? From PW to Peter Pan. Ya, not having kids is an option. So's not having a wife. Or any responsibilities whatsoever that'll get in the way of immediate gratification. I'm sorry if my discussing riding and relationships bothers you. I thought it was appropriate for a cycles list. Maybe we need to get back to the old standbys, gun control, or a good old fashioned helmet discussion. -Mark From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 11 14:30:49 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA09873 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 14:30:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from omss5.mcit.com (omss5.mcit.com [166.37.210.27]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id TAA26265; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 19:29:44 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omss5.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 120) with SMTP id <19990211193002.NSSO7750@[166.41.242.214]>; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 13:30:02 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Mark Petty" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: seasonally challenged Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 14:28:19 -0500 Message-ID: <002c01be55f4$ae28e750$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal > > > Alright, I can't handle any more PW stories about wives and bikes. I > > think > > I'm going to vomit. The solution to this one below is to NOT have > > them. > > > > Glenn (flame suit on) > > > > >I think there's a big difference between GF's and wives. Wives seem > > to > > >have this fear that you're gonna die, and leave them all alone to > > raise > > >the kids. > > > And what, keep living like we're all 19 forever? From PW to Peter Pan. And exactly what is wrong with living like you're 19 forever? Life is to be relished. Hard to do it the way you want to when others depend on you so often. > > Ya, not having kids is an option. So's not having a wife. Or any > responsibilities whatsoever that'll get in the way of immediate > gratification. > > I'm sorry if my discussing riding and relationships bothers you. I > thought it was appropriate for a cycles list. Maybe we need to get back > to the old standbys, gun control, or a good old fashioned helmet > discussion. Ooooooo. Now THAT came off as a tad-bit defensive Mark. Something you should know about Glenn. He's a cad in his own mind. Truth is, he'd love to get married and have enough kids to put the most devout Catholic family to shame. ;) Todd From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 11 14:44:02 1999 Return-Path: mark.petty@XXXXXX Received: from crpstva-msg-01.hscribe.com ([208.138.226.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA10071 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 14:44:00 -0500 (EST) Received: by crpstva-msg-01.hscribe.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id <14L92Y9X>; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 14:39:08 -0500 Message-ID: From: Mark Petty To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: seasonally challenged Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 14:39:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain > > Ya, not having kids is an option. So's not having a wife. Or any > > responsibilities whatsoever that'll get in the way of immediate > > gratification. > > > > I'm sorry if my discussing riding and relationships bothers you. I > > thought it was appropriate for a cycles list. Maybe we need to get > back > > to the old standbys, gun control, or a good old fashioned helmet > > discussion. > > Ooooooo. Now THAT came off as a tad-bit defensive Mark. > Okay, next time I'll stick to simple slander and libel. Ad hominum (my spellchecker doesn't know how to spell it, either) attacks always seem to go over well for the crowds, too. (and as for the PW comment, my wife says, and I quote, "Bite me.") > Something you should know about Glenn. He's a cad in his own mind. > Truth > is, he'd love to get married and have enough kids to put the most > devout > Catholic family to shame. ;) > > Todd > Truth is, I'd love to spend all my income shiny toys that go fast. Choices get made. One lives with them. And if one is very lucky, you make the right choices... -Mark From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 11 14:47:19 1999 Return-Path: mark.petty@XXXXXX Received: from crpstva-msg-01.hscribe.com ([208.138.226.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA10166 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 14:47:16 -0500 (EST) Received: by crpstva-msg-01.hscribe.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id <14L92Y04>; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 14:42:24 -0500 Message-ID: From: Mark Petty To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: seasonally challenged -Reply Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 14:42:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain > -----Original Message----- > From: JOE NAGY [SMTP:NAGYJ@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, February 11, 1999 3:28 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX; mark.petty@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: seasonally challenged -Reply > > What kinda gun? > Friends of mine used to have a three inch morter that we'd fire diced onions at each other with. Medievel recreation at its strangest. -Mark ("fire in the hole!" *cough* *cough*) From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 11 14:51:05 1999 Return-Path: SuazoT@XXXXXX Received: from peosmtp.PEOSTAMIS.BELVOIR.ARMY.MIL (peosmtp.peostamis.belvoir.army.mil [160.147.8.35]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA10245 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 14:51:04 -0500 (EST) Received: by peosmtp.peostamis.belvoir.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id <1X1989SG>; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 14:50:49 -0500 Message-ID: <311E65DE4D34D1118EEB0000F62EC3913F20C2@zeus.peostamis.belvoir.army.mil> From: "Suazo, Tony" To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: seasonally challenged (reply to reply) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 14:45:39 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) > Alright, I can't handle any more PW stories about wives and bikes. I > think > I'm going to vomit. The solution to this one below is to NOT have > them. > > Glenn (flame suit on) Because it bothers you, I'll add just one more thread. My fiance wants me to get a big BMW touring bike (1200RS or something like that). I want to by a CBR900 RR. Decisions? Tony CBR600 F3 From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 11 15:05:32 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from www.troutman.org (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA10568 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 15:05:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from vulture (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by www.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.56) with SMTP id 389; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 15:04:53 -0500 Message-Id: <4.1.19990211150259.01edc9b0@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 15:04:51 -0500 To: c j From: "Mike Troutman" Subject: RE: t-shirts....suprebowl......Sean and Email.... Cc: D C , redsullivan@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <19990211151715.4540.rocketmail@send201.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Not really worried - just trying to keep track of the status. More proactive updates would be nice. At 10:17 AM 2/11/99 , c j wrote: >Mike, the shirt order is still going on, no need to worry,just waiting >for a few more checks to come in I believe. > Sean now has E-mail, so he should be addressing this issue....his >addy is redsullivan@XXXXXX >just in case you want to contact him directly... ___________________________________________ “Too bad the only people who know how to run the country are busy cutting hair and driving cabs” - George Burns Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 11 15:10:45 1999 Return-Path: jnewman@XXXXXX Received: from bmdo.mcri.com (root@[207.124.52.19]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA10590 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 15:10:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from [470] ([192.168.13.117]) by bmdo.mcri.com (8.8.5/8.8.4) with SMTP id QAA06881 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 16:12:53 -0500 Message-Id: <199902112112.QAA06881@bmdo.mcri.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "John Newman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 15:09:35 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: RE: seasonally challenged -Reply Priority: normal In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) 1/2 Helmet guns that that shoot people who drive slow in the left lane on shaft driven motorcycles while wearing bike blankets? yuck,yuck,yuck -John Newman From: JOE NAGY What kinda gun? . Maybe we need to get back to the old standbys, gun control, or a good old fashioned helmet discussion. -Mark From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 11 15:10:57 1999 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA10592 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 15:10:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from mscex.mailteam.uscg.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA06325 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 14:47:37 -0500 (EST) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 15:13:11 -0500 Message-ID: <904D6E6114A7D211ACCD006008A37EBD04D06D@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LT" To: "'dc'" Subject: cool pic Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 15:13:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain It has nothing to do with motorcycles, but it's cool nonetheless... On the left is a high speed ferry (reviewed by my office) on the left is the CGC EAGLE, the US's only gov't owned tall ship, which I sailed on 4 separate summers (2 to Europe). It's a big file (277k) but worth the download. http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/uscoast.jpg If by chance you want to see more pics from the eagle, you can look at the files directly off of my hard drive: http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/dynamip.html and click on the ftp link to my hard drive. The eagle pics (and other europe pics) are in the images/mypics folder and it has catalog files to preview as well... Collin From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 11 15:26:02 1999 Return-Path: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (imo12.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA10849 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 15:25:59 -0500 (EST) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo12.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id ENPJa04795 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 15:22:11 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 15:22:11 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Fwd: My Day in Court (kinda long) Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part0_918764531_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_918764531_boundary Content-ID: <0_918764531@XXXXXX> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII this is from a woman on a BICYCLE list I subscribe to .... I thought it was from DC Cycles while reading though until I got to the bottom and saw who signed it ... at any rate - this tale could easily have been with a bike instead of a bike (if you get my drift) :D Marcy In a message dated 2/10/99 7:47:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, eje1@XXXXXX writes: > I got to spend the afternoon in traffic court yesterday as a "witness" to > the woman who assault and battered me on my bike (in my opinion, but > difficult to prove in court) with her car at a red light. > > Not to get too involved in the story, I caught her at a red light and > calmly told her "It was not necessary for her to get that close to me > back there." She rolled up her window (this was in July) and I knocked > (w/ one knuckle) on her window and said "thanks" and proceeded to wait > for the light to change. The next thing I know, she guns the gas and > runs into me. As I was not seriously injured, I jumped up and stood in > front of her car to get her license # and then she gunned the gas again > and fled the scene. This was w/ many cars at the light. (She later told > the cop that she was having an argument w/ her daughter who was also in > the car screaming "What are you doing??") > > After taking more than a month to find this woman (she failed to notify > DMV of address change), the woman had quite a different story than the > truth, and tried to make herself sound like the victim. (ie: I was > screaming at her and banged so hard on her window that she was scared... > yadda, yadda. She even said she was so afraid that her foot slipped of > the brake b/c my mighty fist rocked her car!!!!) > > The one big charge that got her was "failing to remain at the scene of an > accident where bodily injury occurred"...hit & run. > > Yesterday her lawyer wanted to deal, saying "Look, you both were at > fault...let's just settle this now." I said "NO WAY. I did nothing wrong > and even if I did, no one has the right to assault me w/ a 2,000 lb > weapon and just walk away." (Guess he's just doing his job...). There > were also had 2 witnesses present who did not actually see the hit, but > saw what entailed afterward. > > Bottom line: We did plea bargain. One other charge was dropped and she > plead guilty to the hit & run charge w/ restitution to me. After she > ranted her over-inflated story to the judge, I got to say a few words, > mainly to the effect that I did this for the benefit of all cyclists and > this behavior is unacceptable in any case. This was road rage at it's > finest. I was able to calmly point out the facts, also. I wanted to see > her suffer a little more, but I think it cost her enough. I just didn't > want to see the charges dropped. The judge seemed to be in favor of > "sharing the road." > > After my expense, I plan to donate my restitution $$ to WABA. (I gave > the 2 good Samaritan witnesses some $$, just to thank them for getting > involved.) I didn't get much, just the cost of my bike repair... > > PS: for all of you on the BAC scene...I saw many drunk driving cases > yesterday. All w/ no injuries. Many needed an interpreter. No one went > to jail. All had varying degrees of probation and varying # of nights at > AA. One woman w/ 2 little kids came to court drunk. > --part0_918764531_boundary Content-ID: <0_918764531@XXXXXX> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-zd03.mx.aol.com (rly-zd03.mail.aol.com [172.31.33.227]) by air-zd05.mail.aol.com (v56.26) with SMTP; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 19:47:56 -0500 Received: from igcb.igc.org (igcb.igc.org [192.82.108.46]) by rly-zd03.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with ESMTP id TAA00652; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 19:47:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from cdp.igc.apc.org (root@XXXXXX [192.82.108.1]) by igcb.igc.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA25451; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 16:46:15 -0800 (PST) Received: by cdp.igc.apc.org (8.9.2/8.9.2) id QAA27377; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 16:45:16 -0800 (PST) Date: 10 Feb 1999 16:43:52 X-Conference: dc.biking From: eje1@XXXXXX Subject: My Day in Court To: Recipients of conference Message-ID: <199902110040.TAA29038@medlantic.mhg.edu> X-Gateway: conf2mail@XXXXXX Errors-To: owner-dcbike@XXXXXX Precedence: bulk Lines: 53 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I got to spend the afternoon in traffic court yesterday as a "witness" to the woman who assault and battered me on my bike (in my opinion, but difficult to prove in court) with her car at a red light. Not to get too involved in the story, I caught her at a red light and calmly told her "It was not necessary for her to get that close to me back there." She rolled up her window (this was in July) and I knocked (w/ one knuckle) on her window and said "thanks" and proceeded to wait for the light to change. The next thing I know, she guns the gas and runs into me. As I was not seriously injured, I jumped up and stood in front of her car to get her license # and then she gunned the gas again and fled the scene. This was w/ many cars at the light. (She later told the cop that she was having an argument w/ her daughter who was also in the car screaming "What are you doing??") After taking more than a month to find this woman (she failed to notify DMV of address change), the woman had quite a different story than the truth, and tried to make herself sound like the victim. (ie: I was screaming at her and banged so hard on her window that she was scared... yadda, yadda. She even said she was so afraid that her foot slipped of the brake b/c my mighty fist rocked her car!!!!) The one big charge that got her was "failing to remain at the scene of an accident where bodily injury occurred"...hit & run. Yesterday her lawyer wanted to deal, saying "Look, you both were at fault...let's just settle this now." I said "NO WAY. I did nothing wrong and even if I did, no one has the right to assault me w/ a 2,000 lb weapon and just walk away." (Guess he's just doing his job...). There were also had 2 witnesses present who did not actually see the hit, but saw what entailed afterward. Bottom line: We did plea bargain. One other charge was dropped and she plead guilty to the hit & run charge w/ restitution to me. After she ranted her over-inflated story to the judge, I got to say a few words, mainly to the effect that I did this for the benefit of all cyclists and this behavior is unacceptable in any case. This was road rage at it's finest. I was able to calmly point out the facts, also. I wanted to see her suffer a little more, but I think it cost her enough. I just didn't want to see the charges dropped. The judge seemed to be in favor of "sharing the road." After my expense, I plan to donate my restitution $$ to WABA. (I gave the 2 good Samaritan witnesses some $$, just to thank them for getting involved.) I didn't get much, just the cost of my bike repair... PS: for all of you on the BAC scene...I saw many drunk driving cases yesterday. All w/ no injuries. Many needed an interpreter. No one went to jail. All had varying degrees of probation and varying # of nights at AA. One woman w/ 2 little kids came to court drunk. Evelyn --part0_918764531_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 11 16:09:28 1999 Return-Path: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (imo15.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA11566 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 16:09:27 -0500 (EST) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo15.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id TFYMa19048; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 15:52:28 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4dc21809.36c3430c@aol.com> Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 15:52:28 EST To: Dysart@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: seasonally challenged Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 not to have WHAT? the WIFE or the BIKE? :D Marcy In a message dated 2/11/99 1:19:44 PM Eastern Standard Time, Dysart@XXXXXX writes: > The solution to this one below is to NOT have them. From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 11 16:10:21 1999 Return-Path: Jeannette_O'Brien@XXXXXX Received: from relay2.UU.NET (relay2.UU.NET [192.48.96.7]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA11572 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 16:10:20 -0500 (EST) From: Jeannette_O'Brien@XXXXXX Received: from 172.16.2.37 by relay2.UU.NET with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: user252.shawpittman.com [208.200.185.252]) id QQgcdo15877 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 16:09:01 -0500 (EST) Received: by 172.16.2.37(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.3 (733.2 10-16-1998)) id 85256715.0074634E ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 16:11:15 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SPPT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256715.0074606E.00@172.16.2.37> Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 16:04:24 -0500 Subject: Re: Fwd: My Day in Court (kinda long) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline ---------------------- Forwarded by Jeannette O'Brien/SPPT/US on 02/11/99 04:08 PM --------------------------- This sounds oh too familiar. One evening when I was riding my (motorcycle) home from work up 19th Street, I got into the right lane and proceeded up to the red light, where I stopped. About a full 2 seconds later, I heard screeching brakes behind me, but glancing in my mirror the car behind me didn't look like it was out of control or going fast, so I wasn't worried, and thought it must have been another car braking hard. Well, then the young blonde woman in the car behind me starts yelling out her window at me, "How do you like that, you ______!!! I thought THAT would scare you!!!" First of all, it didn't scare me, but WHY did she do it? For some reason, I gathered from her manically screaming, she thought that I had cut her off, although I did nothing of the sort. It's funny that I could have slowed down my bike at a normal rate and sat at a light for at least a full 2 seconds but have cut her off! As the theme seems to go, I don't know why we are hated so much, but I seem to see a lot of road rage directed at me while on my motorcycle. I simply told her she was a raging c___ and she shut up at that point. - Jeannette JinnSinn@XXXXXX on 02/11/99 03:22:11 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: (bcc: Jeannette O'Brien/SPPT/US) Subject: Fwd: My Day in Court (kinda long) this is from a woman on a BICYCLE list I subscribe to .... I thought it was from DC Cycles while reading though until I got to the bottom and saw who signed it ... at any rate - this tale could easily have been with a bike instead of a bike (if you get my drift) :D Marcy <> _____________________________________________________________ This electronic message transmission contains information from the law firm Shaw Pittman Potts & Trowbridge that may be confidential or privileged. The information is intended solely for the recipient and use by any other party is not authorized. 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From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 11 16:33:24 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from www.troutman.org (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA11961 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 16:33:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from vulture (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by www.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.56) with SMTP id 246; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 16:32:50 -0500 Message-Id: <4.1.19990211163155.01dfdc00@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 16:32:48 -0500 To: "Fagan, Collin LT" , "'dc'" From: "Mike Troutman" Subject: Re: cool pic In-Reply-To: <904D6E6114A7D211ACCD006008A37EBD04D06D@MSCEX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 03:13 PM 2/11/99 , Fagan, Collin LT wrote: >It has nothing to do with motorcycles, but it's cool nonetheless... >On the left is a high speed ferry (reviewed by my office) on the left is the >CGC EAGLE, the US's only gov't owned tall ship, which I sailed on 4 separate >summers (2 to Europe). It's a big file (277k) but worth the download. > >http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/uscoast.jpg Thanks for the pic. My dad went to the USCGA and was in for 20 years. They used to (and maybe still do ) have to train on the Eagle for 2 weeks in open seas. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '91 Nighthawk 750 Naked bike, and too damn cold to ride From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 11 16:59:36 1999 Return-Path: gixer@XXXXXX Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA12402 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 16:59:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-96-104.s263.tnt5.ann.erols.com [207.172.96.104]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA19703; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 17:00:48 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36C35B66.18468164@geocities.com> Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 17:36:22 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mike Troutman CC: "'dc'" Subject: Re: cool pic References: <4.1.19990211163155.01dfdc00@mail.wheatintl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Actually, Freshman go on it for 4 days, Sophomores for 5 weeks. Those two summers are mandatory. junior year is 2 weeks (trainging the freshman--1/2 class per cruise) and senior year is 10 weeks (training sophomores--1/2 class per cruise) Two of my three trips to Europe were aboard EAGLE. Sophomore and Senior year. Third trip to Europe was to inspect the DISNEY MAGIC cruise ship... If the shipyard gets on the ball, I'll get to inspect the DISNEY WONDER in Venice, Italy before i leave as well. required moto content: I saw a neat Cagiva in Venice, and lots of cool Aprillia scooters!! Oh yeah, and for all those interested, watch Fox's "When Things Go Bad II" or whatever they call it these days on Fox 5 tonight at 8. They have footage of the launching of the Coast Guards newest ice breaking cutter the Heally when it went horribly wrong... not wrong enough that it sank, but the launch wasn't done right, and a whole lot of Mississippi river and mud and wood and ??? got blown back into the crowwd...lots of injuries and all... Mike Troutman wrote: > Thanks for the pic. My dad went to the USCGA and was in for 20 years. > They used to (and maybe still do ) have to train on the Eagle for 2 weeks > in open seas. -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LT, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ (racing page) From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 11 18:22:24 1999 Return-Path: McKeithen@XXXXXX Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (imo25.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.69]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA14068 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 18:22:23 -0500 (EST) From: McKeithen@XXXXXX Received: from McKeithen@XXXXXX by imo25.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id SJJCa20321 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 18:10:41 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 18:10:41 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: 2 nice days Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 54 Notice all the garage queens out yesterday and today? They will return to hiding places Saturday Bob From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 11 18:40:46 1999 Return-Path: McKeithen@XXXXXX Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (imo12.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA14332 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 18:40:43 -0500 (EST) From: McKeithen@XXXXXX Received: from McKeithen@XXXXXX by imo12.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id GPQEa04796 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 18:38:50 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <9610a134.36c36a0a@aol.com> Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 18:38:50 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Fwd: New Flagging Regs Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part0_918776331_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 54 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_918776331_boundary Content-ID: <0_918776331@XXXXXX> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Thought some of the racers on the list might get a chuckle out of this --part0_918776331_boundary Content-ID: <0_918776331@XXXXXX> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-yb03.mx.aol.com (rly-yb03.mail.aol.com [172.18.146.3]) by air-yb01.mx.aol.com (v56.26) with SMTP; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 16:08:06 -0500 Received: from racer.net ([209.160.45.240]) by rly-yb03.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with ESMTP id QAA27528; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 16:07:56 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by racer.net (8.9.1b+Sun/CHUNK1.2) id NAA03319 for wheeltowheel-outak; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 13:03:14 -0800 (PST) Errors-To: wheeltowheel-request@XXXXXX Sender: Precedence: bulk X-Info: Submissions to wheeltowheel@XXXXXX X-Info: Change requests to wheeltowheel-request@XXXXXX X-Info: Authors retain implicit copyright to their material. Obtain X-Info: permission from the authors before redistributing messages. Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67]) by racer.net (8.9.1b+Sun/CHUNK1.2) with ESMTP id NAA03184 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 13:01:20 -0800 (PST) From: RodPolentz@XXXXXX Received: from RodPolentz@XXXXXX by imo23.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id QNYGa07005 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 15:55:47 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <8eb9b459.36c343d3@aol.com> Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 15:55:47 EST To: wheeltowheel@XXXXXX Subject: New Flagging Regs X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit This showed up on another list, author unknown. This came from one of the folks who worked at CART in Houston from one of his Canadian buddies. They thought it should be tried at the pro events since the drivers never look anyway! I even have an appropriate golf umbrella that is red, blue, yellow and green stripes which I was ordered to not use at PIR due to potential confusion on the part of the drivers! Suggested New Flagging Regs for Race Meetings (1980 Vintage Automobile Racing Assn of Canada) 1. Each station is issued one large multicoloured umbrella. 2. The coloured panels of the umbrella are different for each station. 3. Umbrellas will be exchanged between stations after each session. 4. Marshals are encouraged to change the umbrella panel colours between laps. 5. Any complaints or protests by drivers must begin with a complete list of panel colours as they were in the lap previous to the protestable incident. 6. Umbrellas: motions and meanings: Umbrella open: Marshal is there. Umbrella moves occasionally: Marshal is awake. Open umbrella held vertically, rotated clockwise: Keep going. Open umbrella held vertically, rotated counterclockwise: Back up. Open umbrella held vertically, up and down motion: Look in your mirrors. Open umbrella held vertically, RAPID up and down motion: Get the lead out, buddy. Umbrella opened and closed rapidly while pointing in your direction: Get that $#@^% moving chicane out of there. Open umbrella held upside down: You, or someone, or everyone, is dropping oil on the track. Upside down umbrella opened and closed rapidly: Things are falling off your car. Closed umbrella held vertical and twirled: You won't win but you have a neat car. Closed umbrella held vertical, side to side motion: Your car is right hand drive, move to the other seat. Closed umbrella, handle held to marshal's ear: Your wife is on Line 2. Umbrella closed over marshal's head: It's over, go home now. The notes with this say: During a trial of this system at Corner 6 at Bryar, NH, two salient points emerged: a) The system is suitable for international use. Both American and Canadian drivers responded with the same open-mouthed stare for the first lap and a one-finger salute for the second. b) While it is admitted that during the trial only two spins were caused, it seems obvious that competent marshals, with a little training, could decimate the field in four laps or less, possibly ensuring there are no finishers. This would eliminate the need for scoring, trophies, etc. meaning we could all go home out of the rain that much earlier. The statistics on sanity are that one out of every four Americans is suffering from some form of mental illness. Think of your three best friends. If they're okay, then it's you. --part0_918776331_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 11 19:12:46 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA15071 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 19:12:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA13092 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 19:12:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo29.mx.aol.com (known imo29.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.73]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA16393 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 19:12:41 -0500 (EST) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo29.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id VRXJa11033; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 18:55:31 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 18:55:31 EST To: raymondlucas@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Balt Bike Show: What's the plan? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 224 Im going up with a bud in the car. dont think im gonna try and meet anyone because Im not sure what time we will get up there. Definately going friday though. Sean... From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 11 21:42:44 1999 Return-Path: F4Rider@XXXXXX Received: from viper.bcbsblue.com (viper.bcbsblue.com [208.146.143.1]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA17477 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 21:42:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from viper.bcbsblue.com (root@localhost) by viper.bcbsblue.com with ESMTP id VAA28439 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 21:42:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com ([199.97.109.162]) by viper.bcbsblue.com with ESMTP id VAA28435 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 21:42:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com (root@localhost) by nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com with ESMTP id VAA27641 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 21:45:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from bradpc ([192.168.90.43]) by nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com with SMTP id VAA27637 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 21:45:32 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990211214247.007b6990@ns2.pgcc.net> X-Sender: brad@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 21:42:47 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Brad Subject: Need advice on tail luggage Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hey all, Anyone have any experience with tailbags? Fred, I know we spoke... The reason I ask is that I'm considering purchasing something like the Tour Master TB-17 or the Ocelot Tailbag. My only requirements are that the bag can hold a couple books or a night's worth of clothing, and preferably it would have a handle to carry it with while off the bike. Looking at the bags, they both have integrated bungee cords. How well do these bags "stay put" when cornering, etc. I would probably be carrying around 20-25 lbs. I ride the CBR600F4, so seat space in the back is a little limited -- would these bags be too big? The Chase Harper Aeropac looks like it would fit well, but I'm not sure how much I could stuff into it. The only other option looks to be a full luggage set, which look like they're a bit more permanant (i.e., can't remove them as quickly and easily) than a tailbag. Any advice before I spend ~$60-$70 would be much apreciated! Brad 99 CBR600 F4 From dc-cycles-request Thu Feb 11 22:29:09 1999 Return-Path: bnorton@XXXXXX Received: from netgate.anent.com ([208.218.73.4]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA18202 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 22:29:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from bruce ([208.195.115.67] (may be forged)) by netgate.anent.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with SMTP id WAA00484; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 22:31:59 -0500 Message-ID: <00c901be5637$f9f31500$4373c3d0@bruce> From: "Bruce Norton" To: , "Brad" Subject: Re: Need advice on tail luggage Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 22:29:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 I've used both a TourMaster TB-18 tank bag and a TB-17 tail bag on my VFR800 and they work great. I've stuffed 'em both full and they don't move a lick. They both have grab handles and both came with rain covers, although the underside of the tail bag got wet after riding in heavy rain. I'd recommend them. >Hey all, > >Anyone have any experience with tailbags? Fred, I know we spoke... The >reason I ask is that I'm considering purchasing something like the Tour >Master TB-17 or the Ocelot Tailbag. My only requirements are that the bag >can hold a couple books or a night's worth of clothing, and preferably it >would have a handle to carry it with while off the bike. > >Looking at the bags, they both have integrated bungee cords. How well do >these bags "stay put" when cornering, etc. I would probably be carrying >around 20-25 lbs. I ride the CBR600F4, so seat space in the back is a >little limited -- would these bags be too big? The Chase Harper Aeropac >looks like it would fit well, but I'm not sure how much I could stuff into it. > >The only other option looks to be a full luggage set, which look like >they're a bit more permanant (i.e., can't remove them as quickly and >easily) than a tailbag. > >Any advice before I spend ~$60-$70 would be much apreciated! > >Brad >99 CBR600 F4 > > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 12 01:05:55 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA20767 for ; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 01:05:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA17721 for ; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 01:05:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com (known imo21.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.65]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA21232 for ; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 01:05:50 -0500 (EST) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo21.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 0MKDa07792; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 01:05:03 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 01:05:03 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Balt-cycles@XXXXXX, tl1000s@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Motorcycle Trailer Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 224 I am looking for a used open motorcycle trailer. Preferably one that has provisions for upto two bikes. As long as it is in good shape and can be readily titled I'll look at it. Im trying to spend under $400. Ive seen some in the local want ad weekly's and truck traders but everyone I call is already sold. So, if anyone knows of any, or if you can forward this to other lists, I would appreciate it. Thanks, Sean... From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 12 08:59:57 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA29216 for ; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 08:59:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA22320 for ; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 08:59:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from ckgppxy1.proxy.att.com (known ckmsfw1.att.com [12.20.58.157]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA25191 for ; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 08:59:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from dcn73.dcn.att.com ([135.44.68.33]) by ckgppxy1.proxy.att.com (AT&T/IPNS/GW-1.0) with SMTP id IAA24994 for ; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 08:58:51 -0500 (EST) Received: by dcn73.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BE5665.E30B8060@XXXXXX>; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 08:58:41 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Carver, John" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: VTEC for Motorcycles Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 08:58:40 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I once heard of a Suzuki Bandit 400 with variable valve timing but I never saw one in person and I didn't think it would do much on a MC. . . . Honda Goes Hyper. VTEC That Is If you liked it in your Honda car you might just love it in a Honda motorcycle. Especially this new hyper version. A press release from Honda states that the Honda Motor Co., Ltd. announced on January 18, 1999 the development of a new HYPER VTEC* valve control system for 4-stroke motorcycle engines. This new system combines improved efficiency, cleaner operation, and increased output at all engine speeds. The HYPER VTEC is the latest refinement of Honda's unique VTEC hydraulic valve control technology. Designed to improve 4-stroke engines' combustion efficiency, this new system is characterized by the camshafts directly actuating the valves via lifters. The system not only allows for variation of the number of valves active depending on engine speed, but also provides for optimum lift amount and actuation timing of both the active and inactive valves equipped with camshaft profile. This system also provides the following advanced features; Increasing output at all engine speeds 6.6% improvement in fuel efficiency (from 34.7km/l to 37.0km/l at a constant 60km/h: Honda internal testing data) At low to medium engine speeds, one intake valve and one exhaust valve (of the four valves) in each cylinder remain inactive, leaving only two active valves per cylinder. This helps increase intake air speed and generates a swirl effect within the combustion chamber for increased power output. Reduced friction losses also contribute to improvement in fuel efficiency. At higher engine speeds, all four valves in each cylinder are activated to meet the increased fuel mixture flow requirements associated with higher rpms. This HYPER VTEC engine will first be used on the CB400 Super Four, a new Japan-market sports bike to be released in the near future. At this time, no announcement has been made about the availability of this technology for US-market motorcycles. * VTEC = Variable Valve Timing & Lift Electronic Control System From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 12 09:25:19 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA29658 for ; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 09:25:12 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id JAA26075; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 09:26:31 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xmaa25758; Fri, 12 Feb 99 09:25:45 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F7100G3RPEZJ4@XXXXXX>; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 09:25:48 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 85256716.004EF85E ; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 09:22:33 -0500 Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 09:18:44 -0500 Subject: Re: cool pic To: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" Cc: Mike Troutman , "'dc'" Message-id: <85256716.004EB3BE.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL On that show (or the one before it) they also had a couple of "squids running from the cops" videos too. Chris W. To: Mike Troutman cc: 'dc' From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" Oh yeah, and for all those interested, watch Fox's "When Things Go Bad II" or whatever they call it these days on Fox 5 tonight at 8. They have footage of the launching of the Coast Guards newest ice breaking cutter the Heally when it went horribly wrong... not wrong enough that it sank, but the launch wasn't done right, and a whole lot of Mississippi river and mud and wood and ??? got blown back into the crowwd...lots of injuries and all... ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 12 09:29:21 1999 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA29751 for ; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 09:29:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from mscex.mailteam.uscg.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA04911; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 09:05:49 -0500 (EST) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 09:31:29 -0500 Message-ID: <904D6E6114A7D211ACCD006008A37EBD04D07F@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LT" To: "'christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX'" Cc: Mike Troutman , "'dc'" Subject: RE: cool pic Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 09:31:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain I missed it.. I was out in Ashburn helping a lister retrieve a bike... Pen did tape the launching show for me though... On Friday, February 12, 1999 9:29 AM, christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX [SMTP:christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX] wrote: > On that show (or the one before it) they also had a couple of "squids > running from the cops" videos too. > > Chris W. > > > To: Mike Troutman > cc: 'dc' > From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" > Oh yeah, and for all those interested, watch Fox's "When Things Go Bad > II" or whatever they call it these days on Fox 5 tonight at 8. They > have footage of the launching of the Coast Guards newest ice breaking > cutter the Heally when it went horribly wrong... not wrong enough that > it sank, but the launch wasn't done right, and a whole lot of > Mississippi river and mud and wood and ??? got blown back into the > crowwd...lots of injuries and all... From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 12 09:32:49 1999 Return-Path: maxbiaggi2@XXXXXX Received: from send203.yahoomail.com (send203.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.127]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA29828 for ; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 09:32:40 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990212143334.17278.rocketmail@send203.yahoomail.com> Received: from [131.171.245.167] by send203.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 06:33:34 PST Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 06:33:34 -0800 (PST) From: Dave Wakefield Subject: Seating a new tire on the rim. . . To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The father/son Wakefield duo finally made it over to the communal tire changer last night and got a new tire put onto a wheel. Special thanks to Glen Dysart who did half the work and without whose guidance we would have been totally lost. Now, the problem here is that after playing around with the tire on the rim for a bit, we still haven't figured out how to trick the tire into seating properly all the way around the rim. Anybody got any tips or tricks to get the job done, outside of paying Coleman's another $28-$40 to do it for us? _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 12 09:49:22 1999 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA00217 for ; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 09:49:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from mscex.mailteam.uscg.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA06475; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 09:25:45 -0500 (EST) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 09:51:25 -0500 Message-ID: <904D6E6114A7D211ACCD006008A37EBD04D081@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LT" To: "'Dave Wakefield'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Seating a new tire on the rim. . . Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 09:51:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain A big tip for seating the tire is not to use Glenn's compressor!! It doesn't have the capacity to maintain a high burst pressure and seat them properly. I've found the gas station up the street from my house has a really potent compressor that seats the beads in nothing flat with two loud snaps... On Friday, February 12, 1999 9:41 AM, Dave Wakefield [SMTP:maxbiaggi2@XXXXXX] wrote: > > Anybody got any tips or tricks to get the job done, outside of paying > Coleman's another $28-$40 to do it for us? > From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 12 10:13:14 1999 Return-Path: Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc014.army.mil ([134.11.235.134]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA00660 for ; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 10:13:12 -0500 (EST) Received: by dadc014.hqda.pentagon.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id <1DLM2XX1>; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 10:12:11 -0500 Message-ID: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46F263BC0@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'Fagan, Collin LT'" , "'Dave Wakefield'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Seating a new tire on the rim. . . Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 10:11:55 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Collin, what I figured out when you seated your tire is you didn't have the pressure turned up past 40 PSI!!! That was probably your problem that day. The tire last night was the stiffest one I've seen yet. Anyhow we had 120 PSI blowing into it through a 3/8" hose. That should have been plenty of air. Glenn -----Original Message----- From: Fagan, Collin LT [mailto:cfagan@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, February 12, 1999 9:51 AM To: 'Dave Wakefield'; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Seating a new tire on the rim. . . A big tip for seating the tire is not to use Glenn's compressor!! It doesn't have the capacity to maintain a high burst pressure and seat them properly. I've found the gas station up the street from my house has a really potent compressor that seats the beads in nothing flat with two loud snaps... On Friday, February 12, 1999 9:41 AM, Dave Wakefield [SMTP:maxbiaggi2@XXXXXX] wrote: > > Anybody got any tips or tricks to get the job done, outside of paying > Coleman's another $28-$40 to do it for us? > From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 12 11:18:26 1999 Return-Path: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (imo15.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA01632 for ; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 11:18:25 -0500 (EST) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo15.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id EVMJa03538; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 11:07:55 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 11:07:55 EST To: McKeithen@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: 2 nice days Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 you're right about that! then we can all gloat as we sit at a red light in the snow and freezing air, shivering .... that WE are the bikers extraordinaire!!!!!!!!!! LOL ;D Marcy well...ok...maybe not in the snow :D In a message dated 2/11/99 6:29:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, McKeithen@XXXXXX writes: > Notice all the garage queens out yesterday and today? They will return to > hiding places Saturday > Bob From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 12 11:35:59 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from www.troutman.org (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA01945 for ; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 11:35:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from vulture (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by www.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.56) with SMTP id 468 for ; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 11:35:15 -0500 Message-Id: <4.1.19990212113429.01dafd10@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 11:35:13 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mike Troutman" Subject: Re: 2 nice days In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> Notice all the garage queens out yesterday and today? They will return to >> hiding places Saturday >> Bob Speaking for those of us that don;t like to freeze our asses off in the winter..... Bite Me. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '91 Nighthawk 750 Naked bike, and too damn cold to ride From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 12 12:10:27 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA02412 for ; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 12:10:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta2.mcit.com (omta2.mcit.com [166.37.204.3]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id RAA29088; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 17:09:31 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta2.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990212170951.BLFF27406@toddnt>; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 11:09:51 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Dave Wakefield" , Subject: RE: Seating a new tire on the rim. . . Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 12:08:09 -0500 Message-ID: <001b01be56aa$43e51bf0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-reply-to: <19990212143334.17278.rocketmail@send203.yahoomail.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal This seems to be a common problem with the bias-ply and/or mail order. The seats on the tires get to close to one another and then it makes it hard to force air enough to expand them. I believe Collin F. used a service station close to his house whose compressor puts out a huge amount of air. That solve it for him. We did take Robert Vanslykes tire/rim to coleman in FC (charged $10) to seat his bias-ply. They put the whole thing in the boiler room to heat it up, and the tire popped right on. I had one that wouldn't go on and took the advice of Brian McCoy, soapped it up good and kept it lying flat. That worked for me. Good luck. Todd > > > The father/son Wakefield duo finally made it over to the communal tire > changer last night and got a new tire put onto a wheel. > > Special thanks to Glen Dysart who did half the work and without whose > guidance we would have been totally lost. > > Now, the problem here is that after playing around with the tire on > the rim for a bit, we still haven't figured out how to trick the tire > into seating properly all the way around the rim. > > Anybody got any tips or tricks to get the job done, outside of paying > Coleman's another $28-$40 to do it for us? > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 12 12:19:24 1999 Return-Path: McKeithen@XXXXXX Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.4]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA02564 for ; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 12:19:22 -0500 (EST) From: McKeithen@XXXXXX Received: from McKeithen@XXXXXX by imo14.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 4XEYa05514; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 12:18:02 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <2577f24d.36c4624a@aol.com> Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 12:18:02 EST To: mike@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: 2 nice days Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 54 Great riding if you dress for it! Nighthawk with small windshield Bob From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 12 13:59:12 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA04296 for ; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 13:59:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id A9F19D00288; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 13:58:57 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990212135851.018c9860@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 14:01:23 -0500 To: Dave Wakefield , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Seating a new tire on the rim. . . In-Reply-To: <19990212143334.17278.rocketmail@send203.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:33 AM 2/12/99 , Dave Wakefield wrote: >Now, the problem here is that after playing around with the tire on >the rim for a bit, we still haven't figured out how to trick the tire >into seating properly all the way around the rim. Lots of lubricant on the rim and the tire bead (soapy water or tire mounting lube). A big air compressor to huff a lot of air into the tire. Remove the valve core so the air can get in easier. I put 2x4 wood blocks in my tires before mounting to make sure the beads are forced out, which seems to help the beads seat once the tire is mounted. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 12 15:10:38 1999 Return-Path: redsullivan@XXXXXX Received: from web512.mail.yahoo.com (web512.yahoomail.com [128.11.68.82]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA05427 for ; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 15:10:30 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990212201200.17127.rocketmail@web512.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [152.159.1.16] by web512.yahoomail.com; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 12:12:00 PST Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 12:12:00 -0800 (PST) From: Sean Sullivan Subject: t-shirts To: Mike Troutman Cc: D C , redsullivan@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Regarding DC-Cycles t-shirts, sorry for being away so long. As I mentioned, I was away from e-mail as I moved jobs and residences. Here's the deal. We have takers for about 32 DC-Cycles t-shirts. That means checks and orders specifying quantity, size and color of the shirt. I think we need orders for at least 15-20 more shirts before I can try to negotiate for the orginal price per shirt. When I called shops for price quotes it was based on an order of 60 shirts, which is how many the list said it wanted. I know there are some people who are not familiar with the shirts, so I'm including details. The list voted on a shirt logo and chose "1b" at www.dc-cycles.org under "logos." The original idea was to have an easy way to identify fellow listers. The shirts will be heavyweight cotton in whatever color you'd like (something dark is better for the logo). The shirts will cost $10 for sizes S-XL, and $12 for XXL and up. Send orders (number of shirts, size, and color) plus a check to Sean Sullivan at 16 8th St., NE, Washington, DC 20002 (the NE will keep your checks from going to a house down the street). Questions? redsullivan@XXXXXX or 202-544-2855. Thanks to those of you who have sent in their orders. I know you've been waiting a long time. I would encourage others who expressed interest to send their orders so we can finish this up and deliver the shirts. Sean Sullivan ---Mike Troutman wrote: > > Not really worried - just trying to keep track of the status. More > proactive updates would be nice. > > At 10:17 AM 2/11/99 , c j wrote: > >Mike, the shirt order is still going on, no need to worry,just waiting > >for a few more checks to come in I believe. > > Sean now has E-mail, so he should be addressing this issue....his > >addy is redsullivan@XXXXXX > >just in case you want to contact him directly... > > ___________________________________________ > “Too bad the only people who know how to run the country > are busy cutting hair and driving cabs” - George Burns > > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org > > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 12 16:46:05 1999 Return-Path: l4rite@XXXXXX Received: from smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA07113 for ; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 16:46:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from l4rite (207-172-41-15.s15.tnt10.brd.erols.com [207.172.41.15]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with SMTP id QAA24625 for ; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 16:45:55 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <002101be56d0$e221ba00$0f29accf@l4rite> From: "Leslie" To: "dc-cycles" Subject: new bikes Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 16:44:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0810.800 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0810.800 I spent the day yesterday driving around to all of the shops in the area to look at new bikes.....5 shops in 6 hours.....The girlfriend is wanting to buy a used VTR or Ninja 250 to learn to ride on....I ofcourse went along for support....ofcourse the real reason that I went was to play on all of the new bikes.....the F4 was the most thrilling.....very light and comfy....the SV650 was really nice also..If I needed a new bike right now it would be between these two....ofcourse the TL1000R and that pretty blue ZX-9 are a close second.....There are some pretty good deals floating around right now, but I already have 3 bikes and am possibly going to buy a beat to heck XR500R this weekend to rebuild and play on.....enjoy the terrible weather this weekend..spring is near...Les From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 12 18:14:25 1999 Return-Path: jckozyn@XXXXXX Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA08523 for ; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 18:14:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id SAA02489 for ; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 18:14:19 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36C4E0B6.54F7@mnsinc.com> Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 18:17:26 -0800 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: 96 VFR FS Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DC Guys & Gals, I found this on the VF/VFR list, don't ask me anythng about it... JK ================================== From: "Danny Thompson" > I have a '96 with 17,000, commuter mostly, miles. The PO lowsided > it, and I got it for a real good deal as he got scared away from > riding. I have repaired the bike myself and it looks pretty good. You > can tell it has been painted where the left side was scratched if you > look closely, but the mechanics, steering. etc are not damaged. It is > stock except for the heli-bars which I like a lot, and a K&N air filter. > The rubber probably has 2000 - 2500 more miles on it (D207's) and > the bike runs like a champ. I want a '99 so I'm going to sell her. I am > asking $5400. I am located in Northern VA near Washington, D.C. > Let me know if you are interested. (e-mail or phone 540-349-9992) > > ps. I can get pictures for it if you want. > > Thanks, From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 12 19:39:34 1999 Return-Path: mrider@XXXXXX Received: from server1.illuminet.net (root@XXXXXX [205.215.54.51]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA09941 for ; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 19:39:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrider.illuminet.net (cust011.quantico.illuminet.net [209.44.72.11]) by server1.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA25851; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 19:42:44 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19990212171845.006ca9dc@illuminet.net> X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 17:18:45 -0500 To: "Suazo, Tony" , DC Cycles From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: seasonally challenged (reply to reply) In-Reply-To: <311E65DE4D34D1118EEB0000F62EC3913F20C2@zeus.peostamis.belv oir.army.mil> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 02:45 PM 2/11/99 -0500, Suazo, Tony wrote: >My fiance wants >me to get a big BMW touring bike (1200RS or something like that). I >want to by a CBR900 RR. Decisions? Get the big bike. Convince her to let you keep the 600 for when she doesn't want to ride along. If she tires of it in a couple of years (or less) the BMW will still be worth enough for you to trade in on the CBR900, and she won't be able to complain about it because it was her idea to get the BMW in the first place. (Make sure you get the bike she wants, and don't ever complain except when she doesn't want to ride along with you on 'her' bike.) Leon. -still have a bike because it was her idea for me to get one in the first place. From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 12 21:38:20 1999 Return-Path: McKeithen@XXXXXX Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.9]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA11886 for ; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 21:38:18 -0500 (EST) From: McKeithen@XXXXXX Received: from McKeithen@XXXXXX by imo19.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id PJONa20087 for ; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 21:37:40 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: <3d23e9e4.36c4e574@aol.com> Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 21:37:40 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Tire advice Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 54 I will soon need to replace the rear tire on my 750 Nighthawk so I am looking for advice. The bike has almost 14k miles and this will be the second replacement of the as delivered Dunlop. I'm not really satisfied with 7k miles per tire. I commute about 70 miles round-trip per day and ride almost every day. (I don't do ice /snow). My wife and I do mild touring and cruising on weekends. Not iron-butt stuff, 300 miles would be a good long day. We like to take in the sights. I don't really care about max cornering speeds, but do wnat something that handles decently. Should I go to radials, realizing that on the first changover I have to replace front and rear. If so, given the above description of how I use the bike, what would be your thoughts? TIA Bob From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 12 22:30:13 1999 Return-Path: raymondlucas@XXXXXX Received: from send203.yahoomail.com (send203.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.127]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA12649 for ; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 22:29:55 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990213033028.28283.rocketmail@send203.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.30.31.210] by send203.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 19:30:28 PST Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 19:30:28 -0800 (PST) From: Ray Subject: Re: Tire advice To: McKeithen@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Unless the bike was designed for radials I wouldn't go with radials. Radials generaly have a lower profile and are a little wider than the same size bias ply. For long life, you can't go wrong with Dunlop K491 but you'll lose a lot of your sporting potential. K491 are great for touring (pronounced Droning) and commuting, not good for sport riding but I've done it. I like the Avon Azaro and the Dunlop K591, the K591 seems to be a very good compromise between fairly high mileage, sport riding, wet traction, and value. My limited experience with the Azaro leads me to believe they may outlast the average sport tire. My opinion, which is no better or worse than anyone elses, is that Continentals and Michelins really suck in the rain. ---McKeithen@XXXXXX wrote: > > I will soon need to replace the rear tire on my 750 Nighthawk so I am looking > for advice. > The bike has almost 14k miles and this will be the second replacement of the > as delivered Dunlop. I'm not really satisfied with 7k miles per tire. > I commute about 70 miles round-trip per day and ride almost every day. (I > don't do ice /snow). My wife and I do mild touring and cruising on weekends. > Not iron-butt stuff, 300 miles would be a good long day. We like to take in > the sights. > I don't really care about max cornering speeds, but do wnat something that > handles decently. > Should I go to radials, realizing that on the first changover I have to > replace front and rear. If so, given the above description of how I use the > bike, what would be your thoughts? > TIA > Bob > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 12 22:41:20 1999 Return-Path: Lodicojoe@XXXXXX Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA12801 for ; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 22:41:18 -0500 (EST) From: Lodicojoe@XXXXXX Received: from Lodicojoe@XXXXXX by imo13.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id MNAEa05340; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 22:34:50 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 22:34:50 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: redsullivan@XXXXXX, Lodicojoe@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Fwd: t-shirts...c'mon, place the order Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part0_918876890_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_918876890_boundary Content-ID: <0_918876890@XXXXXX> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Hey bikers! Let's place the orders to Sean for the T-shirts. He's put out the time to find a source for these back when "everyone" thought that it was a great idea. Let's not drop the ball now. Figure if he gets your check in the next week or so, he can place the order by the end of February. There is probably a two to three week turn on an order of this type (ie custom design, and everyone has a different color and size combination) and then he has to get them from the printer(?), and tell us that they are in. This would be about April 1st . Just in time for spring riding season. Don't forget to order extras for your brother's birthday or for your SO to sleep in! And you list lurkers out there, you need this shirt! my $.02 Thanks Sean --part0_918876890_boundary Content-ID: <0_918876890@XXXXXX> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-zd02.mx.aol.com (rly-zd02.mail.aol.com [172.31.33.226]) by air-zd03.mail.aol.com (v56.26) with SMTP; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 15:18:11 -0500 Received: from meretrix.com (dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by rly-zd02.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with ESMTP id PAA11504; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 15:17:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from web512.mail.yahoo.com (web512.yahoomail.com [128.11.68.82]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA05427 for ; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 15:10:30 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990212201200.17127.rocketmail@web512.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [152.159.1.16] by web512.yahoomail.com; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 12:12:00 PST Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 12:12:00 -0800 (PST) From: Sean Sullivan Subject: t-shirts To: Mike Troutman Cc: D C , redsullivan@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Regarding DC-Cycles t-shirts, sorry for being away so long. As I mentioned, I was away from e-mail as I moved jobs and residences. Here's the deal. We have takers for about 32 DC-Cycles t-shirts. That means checks and orders specifying quantity, size and color of the shirt. I think we need orders for at least 15-20 more shirts before I can try to negotiate for the orginal price per shirt. When I called shops for price quotes it was based on an order of 60 shirts, which is how many the list said it wanted. I know there are some people who are not familiar with the shirts, so I'm including details. The list voted on a shirt logo and chose "1b" at www.dc-cycles.org under "logos." The original idea was to have an easy way to identify fellow listers. The shirts will be heavyweight cotton in whatever color you'd like (something dark is better for the logo). The shirts will cost $10 for sizes S-XL, and $12 for XXL and up. Send orders (number of shirts, size, and color) plus a check to Sean Sullivan at 16 8th St., NE, Washington, DC 20002 (the NE will keep your checks from going to a house down the street). Questions? redsullivan@XXXXXX or 202-544-2855. Thanks to those of you who have sent in their orders. I know you've been waiting a long time. I would encourage others who expressed interest to send their orders so we can finish this up and deliver the shirts. Sean Sullivan ---Mike Troutman wrote: > > Not really worried - just trying to keep track of the status. More > proactive updates would be nice. > > At 10:17 AM 2/11/99 , c j wrote: > >Mike, the shirt order is still going on, no need to worry,just waiting > >for a few more checks to come in I believe. > > Sean now has E-mail, so he should be addressing this issue....his > >addy is redsullivan@XXXXXX > >just in case you want to contact him directly... > > ___________________________________________ > “Too bad the only people who know how to run the country > are busy cutting hair and driving cabs” - George Burns > > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org > > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com --part0_918876890_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Fri Feb 12 22:43:43 1999 Return-Path: raymondlucas@XXXXXX Received: from send202.yahoomail.com (send202.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.126]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA12875 for ; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 22:43:35 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990213034106.10300.rocketmail@send202.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.30.31.210] by send202.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 19:41:06 PST Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 19:41:06 -0800 (PST) From: Ray Subject: MONDAY RIDE FROM ANNE ARUNDEL COUNTY MD To: DCCycles List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Monday is a federal holiday so some of us don't have to go to work. If the weather is not bad I'm going for a ride, maybe to Solomons Island or maybe northwest. Anyone who wants to go along let me know, we'll pick a time and place to meet. Ray _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sat Feb 13 00:09:15 1999 Return-Path: zellto@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.156]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA14201 for ; Sat, 13 Feb 1999 00:09:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from zellto (adsl-151-200-16-190.bellatlantic.net [151.200.16.190]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id AAA03034; Sat, 13 Feb 1999 00:08:48 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <001301be570f$6bc5be80$be10c897@zellto.bellatlantic.net> From: "Thomas and Jeannette" To: , Cc: , Subject: Re: t-shirts...c'mon, place the order Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 00:12:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 My idea here is that we can all buy two instead... I can always use two cool t-shirts especially like this. -Tom '86 VFR750 -----Original Message----- From: Lodicojoe@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: redsullivan@XXXXXX ; Lodicojoe@XXXXXX Date: Friday, February 12, 1999 10:49 PM Subject: Fwd: t-shirts...c'mon, place the order >Hey bikers! Let's place the orders to Sean for the T-shirts. He's put out >the time to find a source for these back when "everyone" thought that it was a >great idea. Let's not drop the ball now. Figure if he gets your check in the >next week or so, he can place the order by the end of February. There is >probably a two to three week turn on an order of this type (ie custom design, >and everyone has a different color and size combination) and then he has to >get them from the printer(?), and tell us that they are in. This would be >about April 1st . Just in time for spring riding season. Don't forget to >order extras for your brother's birthday or for your SO to sleep in! And you >list lurkers out there, you need this shirt! > >my $.02 > >Thanks Sean > From dc-cycles-request Sat Feb 13 07:11:47 1999 Return-Path: mrider@XXXXXX Received: from server1.illuminet.net (root@XXXXXX [205.215.54.51]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA23462 for ; Sat, 13 Feb 1999 07:11:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrider.illuminet.net (cust034.quantico.illuminet.net [209.44.72.34]) by server1.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id HAA06652; Sat, 13 Feb 1999 07:15:15 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19990213071207.006cb020@illuminet.net> X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 07:12:07 -0500 To: McKeithen@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Tire advice In-Reply-To: <3d23e9e4.36c4e574@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:37 PM 2/12/99 EST, McKeithen@XXXXXX wrote: >I will soon need to replace the rear tire on my 750 Nighthawk >I'm not really satisfied with 7k miles per tire. I use a Metzeler ME88 Marathon on the back and a Metzeler ME33 Laser up front. They've been around for a long time, so they aren't exactly new technology. I've never gotten less than 15K on a rear tire. Front tires (ME88s and one ME33) go 35K to 45K miles. The Metzelers give good grip in the rain and they do ok in other places. I've used a few Dunlops, and I found no noticeable difference in traction between the Dunlop 207s and the Metzelers. Don't buy a tire that will last more than two years in normal use. By the time they get that old, they don't grip very well anymore and should be replaced anyway. Leon. From dc-cycles-request Sat Feb 13 18:33:30 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com (ndcrelay2.mcit.com [166.37.172.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA08393 for ; Sat, 13 Feb 1999 18:33:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from omss5.mcit.com (omss5.mcit.com [166.37.210.27]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id XAA25543; Sat, 13 Feb 1999 23:29:31 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.44.166.164]) by omss5.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 120) with SMTP id <19990213233224.WAZS13647@[166.44.166.164]>; Sat, 13 Feb 1999 17:32:24 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Leon Begeman" , "Suazo, Tony" , "DC Cycles" Subject: RE: seasonally challenged (reply to reply) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 18:30:39 -0500 Message-ID: <000601be57a8$dd81b4e0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-reply-to: <3.0.3.32.19990212171845.006ca9dc@illuminet.net> Importance: Normal Clever and devious at once. I like it! > -----Original Message----- > From: Leon Begeman [mailto:mrider@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, February 12, 1999 5:19 PM > To: Suazo, Tony; DC Cycles > Subject: Re: seasonally challenged (reply to reply) > > > At 02:45 PM 2/11/99 -0500, Suazo, Tony wrote: > >My fiance wants > >me to get a big BMW touring bike (1200RS or something like that). I > >want to by a CBR900 RR. Decisions? > > Get the big bike. Convince her to let you keep the 600 for when she > doesn't want to ride along. If she tires of it in a couple of years (or > less) the BMW will still be worth enough for you to trade in on > the CBR900, > and she won't be able to complain about it because it was her idea to get > the BMW in the first place. (Make sure you get the bike she wants, and > don't ever complain except when she doesn't want to ride along with you on > 'her' bike.) > > Leon. -still have a bike because it was her idea for me to get one in the > first place. > From dc-cycles-request Sat Feb 13 18:33:00 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA08391 for ; Sat, 13 Feb 1999 18:32:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from omss5.mcit.com (omss5-fddi.mcit.com [166.37.204.27]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id WAA03060; Sat, 13 Feb 1999 22:31:58 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.44.166.164]) by omss5.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 120) with SMTP id <19990213233226.WAZW13647@[166.44.166.164]>; Sat, 13 Feb 1999 17:32:26 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: , Subject: RE: Tire advice Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 18:30:42 -0500 Message-ID: <000701be57a8$df152620$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-reply-to: <3d23e9e4.36c4e574@aol.com> Importance: Normal Well Bob, I too have this dilemma with my CB750. Tell you what, I've got a brand new oem front that will be waiting awhile for me to mount it. If it makes your decision easier to buy it from me and save money on a whole set (sell it for $60), it's yours. But for me I'd go to the radials, which is what I'm planning on for my next change. T > -----Original Message----- > From: McKeithen@XXXXXX [mailto:McKeithen@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, February 12, 1999 9:38 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Tire advice > > > I will soon need to replace the rear tire on my 750 Nighthawk so > I am looking > for advice. > The bike has almost 14k miles and this will be the second > replacement of the > as delivered Dunlop. I'm not really satisfied with 7k miles per tire. > I commute about 70 miles round-trip per day and ride almost every day. (I > don't do ice /snow). My wife and I do mild touring and cruising > on weekends. > Not iron-butt stuff, 300 miles would be a good long day. We like > to take in > the sights. > I don't really care about max cornering speeds, but do wnat something that > handles decently. > Should I go to radials, realizing that on the first changover I have to > replace front and rear. If so, given the above description of how > I use the > bike, what would be your thoughts? > TIA > Bob > From dc-cycles-request Sat Feb 13 22:46:55 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA12285 for ; Sat, 13 Feb 1999 22:46:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA17009 for ; Sat, 13 Feb 1999 22:46:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (known imo22.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.66]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA00596 for ; Sat, 13 Feb 1999 22:46:47 -0500 (EST) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo22.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id AFJNa01428 for ; Sat, 13 Feb 1999 22:45:23 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 22:45:23 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: race pages? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 224 Anyone know of any race pages with want ads on them? Sean.... From dc-cycles-request Sun Feb 14 00:58:43 1999 Return-Path: berman@XXXXXX Received: from min.net (berman@XXXXXX [208.222.210.19]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA14221 for ; Sun, 14 Feb 1999 00:58:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (berman@localhost) by min.net (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA10661; Sun, 14 Feb 1999 00:58:35 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 00:58:35 -0500 (EST) From: Morris Berman To: Ray cc: DCCycles List Subject: Re: MONDAY RIDE FROM ANNE ARUNDEL COUNTY MD In-Reply-To: <19990213034106.10300.rocketmail@send202.yahoomail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I may likely be interested. Where are you meeting and when? -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, berman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams On Fri, 12 Feb 1999, Ray wrote: > Monday is a federal holiday so some of us don't have to go to work. > If the weather is not bad I'm going for a ride, maybe to Solomons > Island or maybe northwest. Anyone who wants to go along let me know, > we'll pick a time and place to meet. > Ray > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > From dc-cycles-request Sun Feb 14 07:59:03 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA22672 for ; Sun, 14 Feb 1999 07:59:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA22658 for ; Sun, 14 Feb 1999 07:58:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp4.erols.com (known smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA03462 for ; Sun, 14 Feb 1999 07:58:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from brn626 (207-172-77-3.s3.as1.lee.erols.com [207.172.77.3]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with SMTP id HAA29438 for ; Sun, 14 Feb 1999 07:58:56 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <000f01be581a$9f614aa0$034daccf@brn626> From: "Brian N" To: Subject: Does Size Matter? (150/60ZR-18) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 08:04:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000C_01BE57F0.B55D22E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01BE57F0.B55D22E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have a 96 FZR600 which has a stock 140/60-18 tire. I am limited to = tire choices due to the size. If I used a 150/60-18 what would I gain or = lose? Any help is appreciated. Thanks, Brian N. in Ashburn, VA. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01BE57F0.B55D22E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I have a 96 FZR600 which has a stock = 140/60-18=20 tire. I am limited to tire choices due to the size. If I used a = 150/60-18 what=20 would I gain or lose? Any help is appreciated. Thanks, Brian N. in = Ashburn,=20 VA.
------=_NextPart_000_000C_01BE57F0.B55D22E0-- From dc-cycles-request Sun Feb 14 08:16:21 1999 Return-Path: fnord@XXXXXX Received: from sasami.jurai.net (fnord@XXXXXX [207.153.65.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA22963 for ; Sun, 14 Feb 1999 08:16:19 -0500 (EST) Received: (from fnord@localhost) by sasami.jurai.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) id IAA21086 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sun, 14 Feb 1999 08:16:08 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 08:16:08 -0500 From: Elie Rosenblum To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Baltimore bike show Message-ID: <19990214081607.A21054@cosanostra.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95i X-Illuminati: Can you see the fnords? X-Cthulhu: HASTUR If anybody is up there today, I'll be the weird guy with a beard and long hair wearing a slightly weathered big green trenchcoat, with another person tagging along. Introduce yourself, join us for lunch, whatever. -- Elie Rosenblum That is not dead which can eternal lie, http://www.cosanostra.net And with strange aeons even death may die. Admin / Mercenary / System Programmer - _The Necromicon_ From dc-cycles-request Sun Feb 14 09:32:38 1999 Return-Path: dthompso1@XXXXXX Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA24050 for ; Sun, 14 Feb 1999 09:32:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from 95 (207-172-109-85.s22.as2.war.erols.com [207.172.109.85]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA00419 for ; Sun, 14 Feb 1999 09:34:08 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199902141434.JAA00419@smtp2.erols.com> From: "D. Thompson" To: Subject: Balt. Bike Show Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 09:37:52 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Could any of you that have already been to the show, tell me a little about it? I'm thinking of going up today and want to know if it is worth the gas and ticket price. I went to the NY show and while I don't expect it to be as good, I don't want to waste my time. Is this show a Harley show? Are there any good deals to be had? What is available for the sport / sport-tourer? etc.... TIA Danny '96 VFR "...Those who honor me, I will honor,..." 1 Samuel 2:30 From dc-cycles-request Sun Feb 14 10:30:55 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA24900 for ; Sun, 14 Feb 1999 10:30:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA24167 for ; Sun, 14 Feb 1999 10:30:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from server1.illuminet.net (known server1.illuminet.net [205.215.54.51]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA04284 for ; Sun, 14 Feb 1999 10:30:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrider.illuminet.net (cust035.quantico.illuminet.net [209.44.72.35]) by server1.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA08337; Sun, 14 Feb 1999 10:34:27 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19990214103100.006cd7c4@illuminet.net> X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 10:31:00 -0500 To: "Brian N" , From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Does Size Matter? (150/60ZR-18) In-Reply-To: <000f01be581a$9f614aa0$034daccf@brn626> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Of course size matters. I was able to go up two sizes on the CX650, stock was a 130/90-15, but I was able to run up to 150/90-15. In order to remove it, I had to deflate it, it wouldn't come out of the swing arm otherwise. Measure the distance from the edge of the tire to the closest part of the bike. A tire that's 10mm wider will use up 5 mm on each side. You still need to leave a little clearance, so if the tire is within 10mm of the bike now, you probably don't have the room to go larger. I'll let some of the faster guys talk about how it changes the handling. Leon. At 08:04 AM 2/14/99 -0500, Brian N wrote: > I have a 96 FZR600 which has a stock 140/60-18 tire. I am limited to >tire choices due to the size. If I used a 150/60-18 what would I gain or >lose? Any help is appreciated. Thanks, Brian N. in Ashburn, VA. From dc-cycles-request Sun Feb 14 16:16:27 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA29914 for ; Sun, 14 Feb 1999 16:16:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id UAA23700; Sun, 14 Feb 1999 20:14:33 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990214211502.DZFX26495@toddnt>; Sun, 14 Feb 1999 15:15:02 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Elie Rosenblum" , Subject: RE: Baltimore bike show Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 16:13:23 -0500 Message-ID: <000601be585e$db02da80$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <19990214081607.A21054@cosanostra.net> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Aside from the weathered trenchcoat, there wasn't much else to make you stand out. He, he! ;) I went up on Saturday. Not a bad show, but not nearly the representation as that of the NYC show. However, I think I liked this one better due to the fact that there was plenty-o-space to manuever, and there was a decent "Bike-Show". Dc-Cyclers spotted: Linda Tanner Chris Meier John Carver Todd > > If anybody is up there today, I'll be the weird guy with a beard and > long hair wearing a slightly weathered big green trenchcoat, with > another person tagging along. Introduce yourself, join us for lunch, > whatever. > > -- > Elie Rosenblum That is not dead which can eternal lie, > http://www.cosanostra.net And with strange aeons even death may die. > Admin / Mercenary / System Programmer - _The Necromicon_ > From dc-cycles-request Sun Feb 14 16:17:41 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA29925 for ; Sun, 14 Feb 1999 16:17:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id VAA05895; Sun, 14 Feb 1999 21:16:42 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990214211701.DZGE26495@toddnt>; Sun, 14 Feb 1999 15:17:01 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "D. Thompson" , Subject: RE: Balt. Bike Show Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 16:15:22 -0500 Message-ID: <000701be585f$21ec6330$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <199902141434.JAA00419@smtp2.erols.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal This is obviously too late to save you from 'wasting your time'. There isn't much for the sport or sport touring crowd. Lot's of tricked out HD's to show, Boss Hoss', and Vespas(?)! Bob's BMW was well represented (as always). Not much in the form of accessories, unless you're into leather. The one thing that interested me was the moto-lift made by Yellow Jacket Industries (anyone ever heard of them?). For the standard to Cruiser type motos, this is an ideal way to lift your ride up about 2 feet to either work on it, polish it up, or just sweep the garage floor. :) The guy said it will work for sport bike (fared), and bikes with pipes below the frame with these little attachements. I just could'nt picture it, and he didn't have any pictures or instructions. Price was right though, from $300 to $375. Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: D. Thompson [mailto:dthompso1@XXXXXX] > Sent: Sunday, February 14, 1999 9:38 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Balt. Bike Show > > > Could any of you that have already been to the show, tell me a > little about > it? I'm thinking of going up today and want to know if it is worth the gas > and ticket price. I went to the NY show and while I don't expect it to be > as good, I don't want to waste my time. Is this show a Harley show? Are > there any good deals to be had? What is available for the sport / > sport-tourer? etc.... > > > TIA > Danny > '96 VFR > "...Those who honor me, I will honor,..." > 1 Samuel 2:30 > From dc-cycles-request Sun Feb 14 16:31:20 1999 Return-Path: fnord@XXXXXX Received: from sasami.jurai.net (fnord@XXXXXX [207.153.65.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA00275 for ; Sun, 14 Feb 1999 16:31:18 -0500 (EST) Received: (from fnord@localhost) by sasami.jurai.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) id QAA04694; Sun, 14 Feb 1999 16:31:18 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 16:31:18 -0500 From: Elie Rosenblum To: Todd Peer Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: RE: Baltimore bike show Message-ID: <19990214163118.A4613@cosanostra.net> References: <19990214081607.A21054@cosanostra.net> <000601be585e$db02da80$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95i In-Reply-To: <000601be585e$db02da80$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com>; from Todd Peer on Sun, Feb 14, 1999 at 04:13:23PM -0500 X-Illuminati: Can you see the fnords? X-Cthulhu: HASTUR And thus spake Todd Peer, on Sun, Feb 14, 1999 at 04:13:23PM -0500: > Aside from the weathered trenchcoat, there wasn't much else to make you > stand out. He, he! ;) > > I went up on Saturday. Not a bad show, but not nearly the representation as > that of the NYC show. However, I think I liked this one better due to the > fact that there was plenty-o-space to manuever, and there was a decent > "Bike-Show". > > Dc-Cyclers spotted: > Linda Tanner > Chris Meier > John Carver > > Todd I mostly went up 'cuz the bike shop in crofton told me last week they'd be giving 15% off at the show, and at that price, the new RF800's are the same price as you can get them on the net. For things like that I'd rather support the local shops - it's what keeps them around for when you _need_ them. That and my passenger got a nice set of heated gloves, so all in all it was worth the drive. -- Elie Rosenblum That is not dead which can eternal lie, http://www.cosanostra.net And with strange aeons even death may die. Admin / Mercenary / System Programmer - _The Necromicon_ From dc-cycles-request Sun Feb 14 17:41:42 1999 Return-Path: F4Rider@XXXXXX Received: from viper.bcbsblue.com (viper.bcbsblue.com [208.146.143.1]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA01272 for ; Sun, 14 Feb 1999 17:41:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from viper.bcbsblue.com (root@localhost) by viper.bcbsblue.com with ESMTP id RAA11615 for ; Sun, 14 Feb 1999 17:41:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com ([199.97.109.162]) by viper.bcbsblue.com with ESMTP id RAA11611 for ; Sun, 14 Feb 1999 17:41:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com (root@localhost) by nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com with ESMTP id RAA03329 for ; Sun, 14 Feb 1999 17:44:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from bradpc ([192.168.90.8]) by nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com with SMTP id RAA03325 for ; Sun, 14 Feb 1999 17:44:33 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990214174121.007c8100@ns2.pgcc.net> X-Sender: brad@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 17:41:21 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Brad Subject: Pit Bull stands? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" A while back, several people pointed me towards the Pit Bull rear/front stands. Filpping through 3 or 4 mail-order catalogs, I'm unable to locate them. Where might I find a good place to order them from? (Only from manufacturer?) Thanks! --Brad 99 CBR600 F4 From dc-cycles-request Sun Feb 14 17:41:41 1999 Return-Path: F4Rider@XXXXXX Received: from viper.bcbsblue.com (viper.bcbsblue.com [208.146.143.1]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA01271 for ; Sun, 14 Feb 1999 17:41:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from viper.bcbsblue.com (root@localhost) by viper.bcbsblue.com with ESMTP id RAA11607 for ; Sun, 14 Feb 1999 17:41:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com ([199.97.109.162]) by viper.bcbsblue.com with ESMTP id RAA11603 for ; Sun, 14 Feb 1999 17:41:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com (root@localhost) by nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com with ESMTP id RAA03322 for ; Sun, 14 Feb 1999 17:44:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from bradpc ([192.168.90.8]) by nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com with SMTP id RAA03318 for ; Sun, 14 Feb 1999 17:44:32 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990214173858.007c67e0@ns2.pgcc.net> X-Sender: brad@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 17:38:58 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Brad Subject: Thanks for the info... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Thanks to all who responded concerning tail bags. Tour Master TB-17 is on order, should be here soon! Thanks again, --Brad From dc-cycles-request Sun Feb 14 18:06:45 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA01747 for ; Sun, 14 Feb 1999 18:06:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA28630 for ; Sun, 14 Feb 1999 18:06:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from pm03sm.pmm.cw.net (known pm03sm.pmm.cw.net [208.159.126.152]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA12276 for ; Sun, 14 Feb 1999 18:06:36 -0500 (EST) From: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from a (usr7-dialup4.mix2.Boston.cw.net [166.55.68.132]) by PM03SM.PMM.CW.NET (PMDF V5.2-29 #35317) with SMTP id <0F7600HWR2U1F2@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sun, 14 Feb 1999 23:06:05 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 18:05:34 +0000 Subject: Re: race pages? To: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <002201be5844$a06d7160$844437a6@a> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal >Anyone know of any race pages with want ads on them? > >Sean.... Sean, www.roadracers.com Jon Schumer 92' Yamaha FZR600 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Lane/9213/index.html From dc-cycles-request Sun Feb 14 18:12:31 1999 Return-Path: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA01826 for ; Sun, 14 Feb 1999 18:12:29 -0500 (EST) From: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from pm02sm.pmm.cw.net (pm02sm.pmm.cw.net [208.159.126.151]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id SAA01649 for ; Sun, 14 Feb 1999 18:12:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from a (usr7-dialup4.mix2.Boston.cw.net [166.55.68.132]) by PM02SM.PMM.CW.NET (PMDF V5.2-29 #35316) with SMTP id <0F760015G33DV8@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sun, 14 Feb 1999 23:11:41 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 18:11:11 +0000 Subject: Re: Pit Bull stands? To: Brad , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <004d01be5845$68eb6e80$844437a6@a> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal >A while back, several people pointed me towards the Pit Bull rear/front >stands. Filpping through 3 or 4 mail-order catalogs, I'm unable to locate >them. Where might I find a good place to order them from? (Only from >manufacturer?) > >Thanks! > >--Brad >99 CBR600 F4 Brad, Contact Rick Beggs at Fast Lanes Cycles in Chantilly. I saw them priced lower than mail order! Jon Schumer 92' Yamaha FZR600 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Lane/9213/index.html From dc-cycles-request Sun Feb 14 18:26:20 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA01978 for ; Sun, 14 Feb 1999 18:26:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from ringding.cs.umd.edu (ringding.cs.umd.edu [128.8.126.2]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA28834 for ; Sun, 14 Feb 1999 18:26:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from pm02sm.pmm.cw.net (pm02sm.pmm.cw.net [208.159.126.151]) by ringding.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA07103 for ; Sun, 14 Feb 1999 18:26:15 -0500 (EST) From: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from a (usr7-dialup4.mix2.Boston.cw.net [166.55.68.132]) by PM02SM.PMM.CW.NET (PMDF V5.2-29 #35316) with SMTP id <0F76007SX3Q6RZ@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sun, 14 Feb 1999 23:25:22 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 18:24:51 +0000 Subject: Re: Does Size Matter? (150/60ZR-18) To: Brian N , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <007201be5847$5216c9a0$844437a6@a> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal >>>>>>> I have a 96 FZR600 which has a stock 140/60-18 tire. I am limited to tire choices due to the size. If I used a 150/60-18 what would I gain or lose? Any help is appreciated. Thanks, Brian N. in Ashburn, VA. >>>>>>> Brian, The 150 works great. Don't go any bigger or you risk rubbing something. Also, putting a wider tire on a skinnier rim will cause the tire to pinch up and actually decrease your contact patch. Jon Schumer 92' Yamaha FZR600 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Lane/9213/index.html From dc-cycles-request Sun Feb 14 18:52:00 1999 Return-Path: skight@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA02407 for ; Sun, 14 Feb 1999 18:51:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from enterprise.reliacom.com (enterprise.reliacom.com [151.200.65.161]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id SAA03590 for ; Sun, 14 Feb 1999 18:51:56 -0500 (EST) Received: by enterprise.reliacom.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id <142B8D5Y>; Sun, 14 Feb 1999 18:52:46 -0500 Message-ID: <1FEC5DA89BADD1118007006008A5911049B38E@enterprise.reliacom.com> From: Scot Kight To: "'dawn.jon@XXXXXX'" , Brad , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Pit Bull stands? Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 18:52:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Check http://www.pit-bull.com for all the relevent information. This way you can get all the part and pin numbers needed for your bike. I have a set (front and rear) for my 900ss, they are terrific stands, VERY well built. Scot Kight -----Original Message----- From: dawn.jon@XXXXXX [mailto:dawn.jon@XXXXXX] Sent: Sunday, February 14, 1999 1:11 PM To: Brad; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Pit Bull stands? >A while back, several people pointed me towards the Pit Bull rear/front >stands. Filpping through 3 or 4 mail-order catalogs, I'm unable to locate >them. Where might I find a good place to order them from? (Only from >manufacturer?) > >Thanks! > >--Brad >99 CBR600 F4 Brad, Contact Rick Beggs at Fast Lanes Cycles in Chantilly. I saw them priced lower than mail order! Jon Schumer 92' Yamaha FZR600 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Lane/9213/index.html From dc-cycles-request Sun Feb 14 23:26:03 1999 Return-Path: Eternity23@XXXXXX Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA06776 for ; Sun, 14 Feb 1999 23:26:01 -0500 (EST) From: Eternity23@XXXXXX Received: from Eternity23@XXXXXX by imo13.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id PMEZa05340 for ; Sun, 14 Feb 1999 23:24:55 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 23:24:55 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Bike news Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 208 Maine Nixes Bill Protecting Bikers .c The Associated Press AUGUSTA, Maine (Feb. 9) - A panel of lawmakers unanimously decided Tuesday that bikers do not deserve special protection under the umbrella of the Maine Human Rights Act. Motorcycle enthusiasts claim their tough, tattooed and leather-clad appearance often leads to discrimination when they look for a place to dine or spend the night. The proposal would have amended the rights act - which bars discrimination based on race, sex, religion, national origin or disability - to include people who operate motorcycles or who wear clothing displaying the name of a motorcycle group. It was rejected in a Judiciary Committee 13-0. Democratic Sen. Peggy Pendleton, a chief sponsor, said she believed some motorcyclists have legitimate concerns about discrimination. But Democratic Rep. Richard Thompson said the bill was easy to dismiss. ''I don't doubt that there's been times when motorcyclists get refused services,'' Thompson said. ''It certainly didn't rise to the level of the type of protected class we want to include in the Maine Human Rights Act.'' From dc-cycles-request Sun Feb 14 23:45:22 1999 Return-Path: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from pm02sm.pmm.cw.net (pm02sm.pmm.cw.net [208.159.126.151]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA07158 for ; Sun, 14 Feb 1999 23:45:21 -0500 (EST) From: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from a (usr32-dialup7.mix2.Boston.cw.net [166.55.74.199]) by PM02SM.PMM.CW.NET (PMDF V5.2-29 #35316) with SMTP id <0F76007ECIII51@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 15 Feb 1999 04:44:44 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 23:44:13 +0000 Subject: Rt. 9 To: dc cycles Message-id: <003901be5873$eea92b60$c74a37a6@a> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Anybody out there taken Rt. 9, north west of Leesburg up through WVA to Charlestown? Looks good on the map, but I would like to see if someone has experienced this road before. Jon From dc-cycles-request Sun Feb 14 23:46:11 1999 Return-Path: gixer@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA07168 for ; Sun, 14 Feb 1999 23:46:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id XAA15189 for ; Sun, 14 Feb 1999 23:46:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-36-190.s190.tnt6.ann.erols.com [207.172.36.190]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA15209; Sun, 14 Feb 1999 23:34:08 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36C7A25E.B1C2F0BB@geocities.com> Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 23:28:14 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dawn.jon@XXXXXX CC: Brad , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Pit Bull stands? References: <004d01be5845$68eb6e80$844437a6@a> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I second Jon's vote for Fast Lane Cycles... Rick has the models you'll need in stock, and he sells them at the manufacturers price or lower.... dawn.jon@XXXXXX wrote: > > Brad, > Contact Rick Beggs at Fast Lanes Cycles in Chantilly. I saw them priced > lower than mail order! > -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LT, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ (racing page) From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 15 01:12:31 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA08422 for ; Mon, 15 Feb 1999 01:12:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA03642 for ; Mon, 15 Feb 1999 01:12:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA17848 for ; Mon, 15 Feb 1999 01:12:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.45]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.7) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 15 Feb 1999 01:08:55 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "DC Cycles Mailing List" Subject: Day trip? Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 01:10:05 -0500 Message-ID: <002f01be58a9$d4fe3760$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal http://www.fred.net/turtle/asskicker/asskicker.html How about a DC Cycles trip to see this? ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 15 08:06:01 1999 Return-Path: rcrishock@XXXXXX Received: from ckgppxy1.proxy.att.com (ckmsfw1.att.com [12.20.58.157]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA15599 for ; Mon, 15 Feb 1999 08:05:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from dcn73.dcn.att.com ([135.44.68.33]) by ckgppxy1.proxy.att.com (AT&T/IPNS/GW-1.0) with SMTP id IAA15293 for ; Mon, 15 Feb 1999 08:05:21 -0500 (EST) Received: by dcn73.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BE58B9.DFD2C9C0@XXXXXX>; Mon, 15 Feb 1999 08:04:56 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Crishock, Richard" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: Does Size Matter? (150/60ZR-18) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 08:04:52 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Let's not forget to take the chain guard into account. Don't ask how I know. Rich '78 Triumph Bonneville Scowling Street Terrors #78 Sterling, VA USA X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 10:31:00 -0500 To: "Brian N" , From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Does Size Matter? (150/60ZR-18) Of course size matters. I was able to go up two sizes on the CX650, stock was a 130/90-15, but I was able to run up to 150/90-15. In order to remove it, I had to deflate it, it wouldn't come out of the swing arm otherwise. Measure the distance from the edge of the tire to the closest part of the bike. A tire that's 10mm wider will use up 5 mm on each side. You still need to leave a little clearance, so if the tire is within 10mm of the bike now, you probably don't have the room to go larger. I'll let some of the faster guys talk about how it changes the handling. Leon. At 08:04 AM 2/14/99 -0500, Brian N wrote: > I have a 96 FZR600 which has a stock 140/60-18 tire. I am limited to >tire choices due to the size. If I used a 150/60-18 what would I gain or >lose? Any help is appreciated. Thanks, Brian N. in Ashburn, VA. From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 15 09:29:52 1999 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA16825 for ; Mon, 15 Feb 1999 09:29:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA00725 for ; Mon, 15 Feb 1999 09:29:47 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 09:29:46 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Work stands RE: Balt. Bike Show In-Reply-To: <000701be585f$21ec6330$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 14 Feb 1999, Todd Peer wrote: > The one thing that interested me was the moto-lift made by Yellow Jacket > Industries (anyone ever heard of them?). For the standard to Cruiser type > motos, this is an ideal way to lift your ride up about 2 feet to either work > on it, polish it up, or just sweep the garage floor. :) There are plans on the web for making a wood work stand. It probably wouldn't be appropriate for working on the ST but would be fine for the CB or VF... If you're interested I'll fish out the URL. Kirk From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 15 09:36:06 1999 Return-Path: shephar1@XXXXXX Received: from dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.7]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA16984 for ; Mon, 15 Feb 1999 09:36:04 -0500 (EST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id IAA15632; Mon, 15 Feb 1999 08:35:26 -0600 (CST) Received: from mar-wv11-33.ix.netcom.com(199.35.94.33) by dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma015605; Mon Feb 15 08:35:15 1999 Message-ID: <002901be58f0$456e3b80$215e23c7@uspppshephar1> From: "Ken" To: , "dc cycles" Subject: Re: Rt. 9 Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 09:34:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Dawn, I take that road everyday, its part of my commute. It is a fun = road, especially when you get the rhythym down. Unfortunately it is = also frequently heavily trafficked by drunks going to the Charles Town = Races, and drunks coming back home from them. Also the occasional farm = tractor etc. It is heavily sanded and salted in the winter , but the = road is in good shape right now. There can also be a lot of tourist = traffic on weekends and holidays and there is always commuter traffic on = it during the typical rush hour periods. Pay attention to the slow = corner signs, you dont have to gho that slow, but they actually are = warning of curves. It's funny in Virginia I swear they put slow curve = signs on the street when the curve must have a theoretical radius of = about one mile. A bit overzealous with the signs in VA (IMHO).. On the other hand, although Loudoun and VA State patrol there side = of Rt 9 up to where the Shell Station is, I don't thinnk in 15 years I = have seen a WV Trooper or Jefferson County deputy patrol that road or = even be on that road unless there has been an accident (frequently). = Also as a Side detour Keyes Ferrry Road I think,its County route 32-2 = that takes you down to Rt 340. Also fun..... If you continue down Rt 9 across the Shenandoah River Make a Hard = Right Immediately at the end of the bridge and this will run you up = through some back roads eventually dumping you out at Harpers Ferry. =20 All in all I consider myself very lucky living out here, we have some = great riding roads, although the population explosion in the past 10 = years means it wont be much longer until it looks no different than = Northern Virginia. Then I dont know where the hell I am going to move = to, to stay in the country yet still commute alll the way in to = Arlington...;( Ken S. HDKnight1 on AOL Instant messenger HDKnight1 on Yahoo Pager kshephard@XXXXXX 1996 XLH 1200 Ride Safe Inwood, WV -----Original Message----- From: dawn.jon@XXXXXX To: dc cycles Date: Sunday, February 14, 1999 11:50 PM Subject: Rt. 9 >Anybody out there taken Rt. 9, north west of Leesburg up through WVA to >Charlestown? Looks good on the map, but I would like to see if someone = has >experienced this road before. > >Jon > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 15 09:40:47 1999 Return-Path: ljtanner@XXXXXX Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA16997 for ; Mon, 15 Feb 1999 09:40:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from LJTanner (207-172-119-189.s189.tnt2.brd.erols.com [207.172.119.189]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA00795 for ; Mon, 15 Feb 1999 09:40:42 -0500 (EST) From: "Linda Tanner" To: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: RE: Day trip? Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 09:40:31 -0500 Message-ID: <000001be58f1$239ff240$bd77accf@LJTanner.arl.mci.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <002f01be58a9$d4fe3760$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 When I try to access this site, I get a "Forbidden you don't have permission to access etc." What is it?? LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze (53K miles and counting) http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ -----Original Message----- From: George Howell [mailto:ghowell@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, February 15, 1999 1:10 AM To: DC Cycles Mailing List Subject: Day trip? http://www.fred.net/turtle/asskicker/asskicker.html How about a DC Cycles trip to see this? ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 15 09:50:33 1999 Return-Path: david@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out.vma.verio.net (smtp-out.vma.verio.net [168.143.190.239]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA17210 for ; Mon, 15 Feb 1999 09:50:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-gw.vma.verio.net ([168.143.0.18]) by smtp-out.vma.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 10CPKz-0003ql-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 15 Feb 1999 09:49:29 -0500 Received: from manitou.bdanet.com (bdanet.com [209.70.174.3]) by smtp-gw.vma.verio.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id JAA01377 for ; Mon, 15 Feb 1999 09:50:15 -0500 (EST) Received: by bdanet.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id <1X0NHVBF>; Mon, 15 Feb 1999 09:54:41 -0500 Message-ID: <21C53F566655D111845600A0C90D6A260ED7BD@bdanet.com> From: David Cross To: dc cycles Subject: RE: Rt. 9 Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 09:54:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Then I > dont know where the hell I am going to move to, to stay in > the country yet still commute alll the way in to Arlington...;( > How long a commute is that for you? Is Inwood past Charles Town? I have considered moving out that way but it just seemed too long a commute (I live in Herndon and work in Bethesda, 40 minutes each way). Maybe if I worked in Herndon I might consider living out that way. Dave Cross WERA & CCS #416am --------------------------- Sponsored by Fast Lane Cycles (703) 818 8890 http://www.fastlanecycles.com --------------------------- 90 FZR400 (race) 94 VFR750 (street) From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 15 09:53:44 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA17220 for ; Mon, 15 Feb 1999 09:53:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.26]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.7) with SMTP id ; Mon, 15 Feb 1999 09:40:08 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "Kirk Roy" , "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Subject: RE: Work stands RE: Balt. Bike Show Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 09:41:23 -0500 Message-ID: <003801be58f1$4222eba0$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Somewhere there's plans for a wooden K-bike stand (www.ibmwr.org). If it can hold that, it can certainly hold the ST1100. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" > There are plans on the web for making a wood work stand. It probably > wouldn't be appropriate for working on the ST but would be fine for the CB > or VF... If you're interested I'll fish out the URL. From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 15 10:10:18 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA17508 for ; Mon, 15 Feb 1999 10:10:07 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id KAA02105; Mon, 15 Feb 1999 10:11:25 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xmaa01897; Mon, 15 Feb 99 10:10:35 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F7700516BHN6E@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 15 Feb 1999 10:10:53 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 85256719.00530FEB ; Mon, 15 Feb 1999 10:07:15 -0500 Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 10:02:23 -0500 Subject: RE: Rt. 9 To: David Cross Cc: dc cycles Message-id: <85256719.0052C613.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL I used to go to college out there, and I know that a lot of people lived out in that area and caught the train at Harper's Ferry in the mornings. It always took me about an hour and a half from Harper's Ferry to Arlington when driving in non-rush hour traffic. Driving from Harper's Ferry to Bethesda should probably take about an hour to an hour and fifteen minutes. I don't know how much train travel or driving during rush hour would complicate things. Chris Weaver From: David Cross > Then I > dont know where the hell I am going to move to, to stay in > the country yet still commute alll the way in to Arlington...;( > How long a commute is that for you? Is Inwood past Charles Town? I have considered moving out that way but it just seemed too long a commute (I live in Herndon and work in Bethesda, 40 minutes each way). Maybe if I worked in Herndon I might consider living out that way. ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 15 16:21:03 1999 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA23730 for ; Mon, 15 Feb 1999 16:21:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA08661 for ; Mon, 15 Feb 1999 16:20:54 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 16:20:54 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Local fastener source Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I bought a bike with some cheesy gold aluminum screws on it. I'd like to replace them with some stainless ones (rather than the stock ones which run $2 each...). Is there a good place to get stainless metric screws in the area? Thanks, Kirk From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 15 21:23:04 1999 Return-Path: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA00355 for ; Mon, 15 Feb 1999 21:23:03 -0500 (EST) From: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from pm06sm.pmm.cw.net (pm06sm.pmm.cw.net [208.159.126.155]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id TAA21469 for ; Mon, 15 Feb 1999 19:33:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from a (usr9-dialup3.mix2.Boston.cw.net [166.55.69.3]) by PM06SM.PMM.CW.NET (PMDF V5.2-29 #35324) with SMTP id <0F780024Z1J696@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 00:33:09 +0000 (GMT) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 19:32:39 +0000 Subject: Re: Does Size Matter? (150/60ZR-18) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <002e01be5919$f4563f20$034537a6@a> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal >Let's not forget to take the chain guard into account. Don't ask how I >know. > >Rich Chain guard, what's that? Oh, I think I see it sitting in the corner covered with dust.......... 8^) Jon From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 15 21:23:36 1999 Return-Path: McKeithen@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA00370 for ; Mon, 15 Feb 1999 21:23:34 -0500 (EST) From: McKeithen@XXXXXX Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (imo18.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.8]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id RAA11265 for ; Mon, 15 Feb 1999 17:02:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from McKeithen@XXXXXX by imo18.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 4IXLa20554; Mon, 15 Feb 1999 16:56:32 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 16:56:32 EST To: kirk@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Local fastener source Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 54 You might try one of the marine supply/boat dealer places Bob From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 15 21:23:19 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA00361 for ; Mon, 15 Feb 1999 21:23:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com (ndcrelay2.mcit.com [166.37.172.6]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id TAA20138 for ; Mon, 15 Feb 1999 19:05:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta2.mcit.com (omta2.mcit.com [166.37.204.3]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id AAA10076 for ; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 00:02:03 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.44.166.223]) by omta2.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990216000458.GPTO27406@toddnt> for ; Mon, 15 Feb 1999 18:04:58 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: FW: Ed Youngblood resigns Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 19:03:27 -0500 Message-ID: <000401be593f$c74a4e60$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal FYI to anyone interested. Seems he finally did the right thing. Also here http://www.ama-cycle.org/releases/a99018.html Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-hsta@XXXXXX [mailto:owner-hsta@XXXXXX] > On Behalf Of Hawk > Sent: Monday, February 15, 1999 6:08 PM > To: Honda Sport Touring Association > Subject: Re: Ed Youngblood resigns > > > All... > > You won't find Youngblood's resignation at the AMA site (yet). It can be > located at http://www.amasuperbike.com/ > Fyi.... > > Hawk Hibbs > "Always try to do things in chronological order; it's less confusing that > way..." > IBA, CBA/ABATE of NC, AMA, HSTA, MRF, BMWMOA, NSD, ISD (I Support > Denton:^) > Current rides: 1998 VFR800F1 ("Jailbait") * 1985 XLH1000 (For sale, at > times) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: ~~~~~~~~~~~~o&o > To: Honda Sport Touring Association > Sent: Monday, February 15, 1999 05:00 PM > Subject: Ed Youngblood resigns > > > >Just read this at the ama-superbike site: > > > >Ed Younglblood resigns as President of AMA, > >also AMA's appeal against the AMA vs Edmonson lawsuit has been rejected. > > > >-- > >regards, > >tony.moey@XXXXXX ~~~~~~o&o > > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 15 21:23:16 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA00359 for ; Mon, 15 Feb 1999 21:23:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id TAA20187 for ; Mon, 15 Feb 1999 19:06:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta2.mcit.com (omta2.mcit.com [166.37.204.3]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id XAA20580; Mon, 15 Feb 1999 23:04:24 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.44.166.223]) by omta2.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990216000453.GPTM27406@toddnt>; Mon, 15 Feb 1999 18:04:53 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Kirk Roy" , "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Subject: RE: Work stands RE: Balt. Bike Show Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 19:03:21 -0500 Message-ID: <000201be593f$c40b01e0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Sure, I'm interested. Thanks Kirk! T > -----Original Message----- > From: Kirk Roy [mailto:kirk@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, February 15, 1999 9:30 AM > To: DC-Cycles Mailing List > Subject: Work stands RE: Balt. Bike Show > > > On Sun, 14 Feb 1999, Todd Peer wrote: > > The one thing that interested me was the moto-lift made by Yellow Jacket > > Industries (anyone ever heard of them?). For the standard to > Cruiser type > > motos, this is an ideal way to lift your ride up about 2 feet > to either work > > on it, polish it up, or just sweep the garage floor. :) > > There are plans on the web for making a wood work stand. It probably > wouldn't be appropriate for working on the ST but would be fine for the CB > or VF... If you're interested I'll fish out the URL. > > Kirk > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 15 21:23:26 1999 Return-Path: gixer@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA00363 for ; Mon, 15 Feb 1999 21:23:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id SAA17866 for ; Mon, 15 Feb 1999 18:23:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-36-154.s154.tnt6.ann.erols.com [207.172.36.154]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA15936 for ; Mon, 15 Feb 1999 18:24:22 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36C8ABB8.14AB3998@geocities.com> Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 18:20:24 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: truck help Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Paging Jon Schumer, ro any other auto tech type.... I had the front U-joint give out on the dodge this afternoon.. :( As I crawled under to take it out and put a new one in, i realize that the one in question does not have the bolted on caps like most U-joints (the rear one on this truck included) Rather, all for slots are solid one piece construction...and those mothers are in there tight!! Any tricks of the trade for getting one of these buggers out?? I'd like to go back and get the truck home tonight rather than leaving it in a shopping center overnight... thanks for any help Collin -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LT, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ (racing page) From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 15 21:22:56 1999 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA00343 for ; Mon, 15 Feb 1999 21:22:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id VAA25264 for ; Mon, 15 Feb 1999 21:05:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA14263; Mon, 15 Feb 1999 21:02:26 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 21:02:25 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: Todd Peer cc: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: Work stands RE: Balt. Bike Show In-Reply-To: <000201be593f$c40b01e0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 15 Feb 1999, Todd Peer wrote: > Sure, I'm interested. Thanks Kirk! Check out http://www.eurospares.com/bikestnd.htm If I had a garage I could tell you how well it works... But, I'm not building one without a garage to put it in. Kirk From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 15 21:23:33 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA00367 for ; Mon, 15 Feb 1999 21:23:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id RAA13670 for ; Mon, 15 Feb 1999 17:27:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net [208.220.25.118] by tidalwave.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.00) id AD8C141010C; Mon, 15 Feb 1999 17:19:56 EST Message-ID: <36C89F37.D515318F@tidalwave.net> Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 17:27:03 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Fall Down Go Boom Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, I didn't plan on crashing today, but sometimes things just happen. Heading south on one of my favorite backroads, Joplin Road in Pr. William Co., just taking it easy enjoying the day. There's one 15 mph turn that's a little bit hairy, but I knew it pretty well, slowed down nicely for it, but there was this big pickup coming the other way, crowding (but not over) the centerline, I widened my line just a bit to compensate, maybe more than a little bit, uh-oh, I'm running wide! I lean harder, started dragging hard stuff, I'm not gonna make it... no shoulder, soft gravel sloping down off the roadway, BugSlayer is sideways, then hooks up in the soft stuff, spits me off on the highside, about 15-20 mph. This is starting to suck, I think. I do a really nice faceplant, ouch that hurt. I roll hard once, end up on my hands and knees, trying to remember how to breathe. Funny, I don't remember it hurting so hard when I was breathing earlier... :( I took plenty of time, (maybe a whole second), to determine that I was alive and conscious and everything was still attached and moving, before I stood up. Oh, standing up hurts, too. I'm gonna need plenty of aspirin when I get home. Well, since I'm up, I might as well check out the bike. After being on the COG list for a while, I sort of knew what to expect. The Concours is suffering all the usual suspects on the right side. Upper fairing, windshield, and side panel busted, mirror is gone, front turn signal caved in, right foot peg gone, rear fender broken, rear turn signal dangling, saddlebag antler broken, bag is pretty scratched up. Good thing I've got insurance. < weak smile > A couple of cars stopped almost immediately, the pickup truck probably didn't even realize what happened (and he wasn't at fault anyway). We picked up the bike, and I began picking up strewn bits of bodywork. The nice folks who stopped seemed amazed that I planned on riding home. Somehow I KNEW the bike was gonna start, and it did, once I primed the carbs again. Kawasaki builds good bikes, even ones I can't seriously hurt. So, right foot on the passenger peg, judiciously applying the rear brake (the lever was miraculously unbent, even though the footpeg and bracket were gone) out in free space as needed, I rode the 7 miles or so home. I go get estimates tomorrow, I guess. Anyway, as far as near-death experiences go, this one was not too bad. I got lucky. I still don't really know what I did wrong. And that bugs me. I wasn't riding hard, maybe I fixated on the truck for too long, but I should have been able to make that corner. I can't explain it yet. Oh well, ride safe everyone. More later. Time for more aspirin. :) Dale -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Tag: BGSLYR 1998 Kawasaki Concours (No, it's not a typo!) 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 15 21:23:43 1999 Return-Path: shephar1@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA00372 for ; Mon, 15 Feb 1999 21:23:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.12]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id QAA08915 for ; Mon, 15 Feb 1999 16:44:21 -0500 (EST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id PAA04343; Mon, 15 Feb 1999 15:40:09 -0600 (CST) Received: from mar-wv10-09.ix.netcom.com(206.217.114.137) by dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma003905; Mon Feb 15 15:38:30 1999 Message-ID: <000801be592b$641c61c0$8972d9ce@uspppshephar1> From: "Ken" To: "David Cross" , "dc cycles" Subject: Re: Rt. 9 Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 16:37:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 >How long a commute is that for you? Is Inwood past Charles Town? I >have considered moving out that way but it just seemed too long a >commute (I live in Herndon and work in Bethesda, 40 minutes each way). >Maybe if I worked in Herndon I might consider living out that way. > > > >Dave Cross Dave, I am 15 miles W of Charles Town, out rt 51. Summit Point is about = halfway between myself and Chas Town... I commute into Rosslyn, leaving home at 4am and it takes about 75 = minutes, a few more minutes when I ride, which is about half the time = April through October, just because of all the damm deer.. From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 15 21:23:01 1999 Return-Path: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA00353 for ; Mon, 15 Feb 1999 21:22:58 -0500 (EST) From: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from pm03sm.pmm.cw.net (pm03sm.pmm.cw.net [208.159.126.152]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id UAA23281 for ; Mon, 15 Feb 1999 20:19:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from a (usr9-dialup3.mix2.Boston.cw.net [166.55.69.3]) by PM03SM.PMM.CW.NET (PMDF V5.2-29 #35317) with SMTP id <0F78009HF3N1HP@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 01:18:40 +0000 (GMT) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 20:18:10 +0000 Subject: Re: Rt. 9 To: dc cycles Message-id: <00d801be5920$4fd160e0$034537a6@a> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal >Are you Kidding! Stay Away from Rt 9. There are so many curves you're >bound to get queasy! ;) > >T All in all, it sounds like it should be experienced at least once. Must be pretty decent, a couple mofo's endorse it......... 8^) Jon From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 15 21:23:30 1999 Return-Path: mobacc@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA00365 for ; Mon, 15 Feb 1999 21:23:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id RAA12681 for ; Mon, 15 Feb 1999 17:21:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-4.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.45]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA21728 for ; Mon, 15 Feb 1999 17:21:04 -0500 Message-ID: <051001be5931$0851ca00$3d10b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Subject: Re: Local fastener source Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 17:17:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2120.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 Kirk -- Try a marine supply place. Alexandria: West Marine; Boat/U.S.; Backyard Boats. Annapolis: Fawcett Boat Supply. DC: Washington Marina Co. Call first. Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 --> Hopefully tightly fastened Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. -----Original Message----- From: Kirk Roy To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Date: Monday, February 15, 1999 4:28 PM Subject: Local fastener source >I bought a bike with some cheesy gold aluminum screws on it. I'd like to >replace them with some stainless ones (rather than the stock ones which >run $2 each...). Is there a good place to get stainless metric screws in >the area? > >Thanks, > >Kirk > From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 15 21:23:10 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA00357 for ; Mon, 15 Feb 1999 21:23:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com (ndcrelay2.mcit.com [166.37.172.6]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id TAA20133 for ; Mon, 15 Feb 1999 19:05:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta2.mcit.com (omta2.mcit.com [166.37.204.3]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id AAA02539; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 00:01:55 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.44.166.223]) by omta2.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990216000451.GPTJ27406@toddnt>; Mon, 15 Feb 1999 18:04:51 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: , "dc cycles" Subject: RE: Rt. 9 Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 19:03:19 -0500 Message-ID: <000101be593f$c297c2d0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <003901be5873$eea92b60$c74a37a6@a> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Are you Kidding! Stay Away from Rt 9. There are so many curves you're bound to get queasy! ;) T > -----Original Message----- > From: dawn.jon@XXXXXX [mailto:dawn.jon@XXXXXX] > Sent: Sunday, February 14, 1999 6:44 PM > To: dc cycles > Subject: Rt. 9 > > > Anybody out there taken Rt. 9, north west of Leesburg up through WVA to > Charlestown? Looks good on the map, but I would like to see if > someone has > experienced this road before. > > Jon > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 15 21:23:46 1999 Return-Path: shephar1@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA00383 for ; Mon, 15 Feb 1999 21:23:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.12]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id QAA09399 for ; Mon, 15 Feb 1999 16:48:20 -0500 (EST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id PAA05417; Mon, 15 Feb 1999 15:44:26 -0600 (CST) Received: from mar-wv10-09.ix.netcom.com(206.217.114.137) by dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma004961; Mon Feb 15 15:43:11 1999 Message-ID: <000d01be592c$0b6739a0$8972d9ce@uspppshephar1> From: "Ken" To: "dc cycles" , Subject: Re: Rt. 9 Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 16:42:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 > >Have you ridden route 230 between (close to) Harper's Ferry and >Shepherdstown? I used to go to college at Shepherd College and drove = that >route a lot. I didn't ride a motorcycle at the time, but it seems to me >that it would be a great road to run on a bike. There's also a split on = 230 >where you can head over to Charlestown - that should be a pretty good = ride >too (albeit short). > >Cheers, >Chris Weaver Yeah I have ridden that frquently, lost it one time down near Chas Town = at night. I was going faster than I should have and could not see the = damm decreasing radius turn and OOOps.... hehe, just ego damage and = some torn up boots...Thats what keeps it interesting ;). It does = convince me that IMHO, boots are at the top when it comes down to safety = gear. I've ridden all my life and when I have gone down, its been my = boots that have saved me from some serious hurt more than anything else = I have worn. =20 From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 15 21:44:52 1999 Return-Path: LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX Received: from imo29.mx.aol.com (imo29.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.73]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA00999 for ; Mon, 15 Feb 1999 21:44:50 -0500 (EST) From: LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX Received: from LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX by imo29.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id MQUGa11057 for ; Mon, 15 Feb 1999 21:41:57 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: <6769e487.36c8daf5@aol.com> Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 21:41:57 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: **COCONUTS OR MCGARVEYS & A NEW DIARY ENTRY** Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 224 I'm in town the weekend of 2/20, and ready to say farewell to winter weather once and for all! If anyone is interested in hooking up at Coconuts in Crofton or McGarvey's in Annapolis, let me know by Wednesday, February 17. I'll send out a final notice that evening and prepare the proprietor! Looking forward to toasting the end of winter and "cheering" on spring and a brand new riding season! Ride Safely, Lee From dc-cycles-request Mon Feb 15 23:56:38 1999 Return-Path: mobacc@XXXXXX Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA03500 for ; Mon, 15 Feb 1999 23:56:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-20.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.61]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA32402 for ; Mon, 15 Feb 1999 23:56:34 -0500 Message-ID: <062701be5968$48ab2880$3d10b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "Dc Cycles" Subject: Resting easy this coming New Years Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 23:53:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0624_01BE593E.5EFC73C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2120.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0624_01BE593E.5EFC73C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >From the Vulcan List -- A soul finds peace for the end of the year. =20 Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. _______________ Dear Sirs, In reference to your memo concerning the Y to K problem. I hope I haven't misunderstood your instructions. Because to be honest, none of this Y to K problem makes any sense to me. At any rate I have finished converting all the months on all my calendars so that the year 2000 is ready to go with the following new months: Januark, Februark, Mak, Julk I hope that this alleviates your concerns. ------=_NextPart_000_0624_01BE593E.5EFC73C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
From the Vulcan List -- = A soul finds=20 peace for the end of the year. 
 
Bill S. / = DC
99=20 VN750
Join the AMA.  Help protect my riding = fun.
_______________
 
Dear Sirs,

In reference to your memo concerning the Y to = K=20 problem.

I hope I haven't misunderstood your = instructions.
Because to=20 be honest, none of this Y to K problem
makes any sense to = me.

At any=20 rate I have finished converting all the
months on all my calendars so = that=20 the year 2000
is ready to go with the following new = months:

Januark,=20 Februark, Mak, Julk

I hope that this alleviates your=20 concerns.

------=_NextPart_000_0624_01BE593E.5EFC73C0-- From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 16 00:48:03 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA04376 for ; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 00:48:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA21845 for ; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 00:47:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (known imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA14876 for ; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 00:47:58 -0500 (EST) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo23.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 6DEHa07017; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 00:47:16 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 00:47:16 EST To: Horkster@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Fall Down Go Boom Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 Dale, I'm sorry about the accident. That sucks! At least you weren't seriously injured, and the bike's not totalled. Sounds to me like you simply over- reacted about the truck. I was on a ride where I over-reacted about some sand on the inside of a turn, pushed outside only to cross the center-line in front of a Jeep!! Fortunately I pushed back inside and barely missed the Jeep. At any rate, the important thing is that you weren't seriously injured. Good luck with insurance!! Robert VanSlyke 83 Shadow 750 "Black Wolf" From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 16 00:53:05 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA04453 for ; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 00:53:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.42]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.7) with SMTP id ; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 00:44:28 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "Linda Tanner" , "DC-CYCLES" Subject: RE: Day trip? Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 00:45:47 -0500 Message-ID: <00ac01be596f$9a3ec740$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: <000001be58f1$239ff240$bd77accf@LJTanner.arl.mci.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal The world's best, only, automated ass-kicker. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" > -----Original Message----- > From: Linda Tanner [mailto:ljtanner@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, February 15, 1999 9:41 AM > To: DC-CYCLES > Subject: RE: Day trip? > > > When I try to access this site, I get a "Forbidden you don't have > permission > to access etc." > > What is it?? > > LindaT. > 95 F3 Purple Haze (53K miles and counting) > http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ > > -----Original Message----- > From: George Howell [mailto:ghowell@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, February 15, 1999 1:10 AM > To: DC Cycles Mailing List > Subject: Day trip? > > http://www.fred.net/turtle/asskicker/asskicker.html How about a DC Cycles trip to see this? ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 16 01:15:20 1999 Return-Path: mobacc@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA04853 for ; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 01:15:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id BAA05927 for ; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 01:15:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-7.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.48]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id BAA01170; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 01:15:15 -0500 Message-ID: <004301be5973$46515900$3010b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "Dale Horstman" , "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: Fall Down Go Boom Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 01:11:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2120.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 Sympathies for you and bike and glad it wasn't worse. Hmmm. Ground tremor, Richter Scale at least 8, must have been cause. Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 --> Tries to leap tall tremors in a single bound, sometimes successful. Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. -----Original Message----- From: Dale Horstman >Well, I didn't plan on crashing today, but sometimes things >just happen. ...snip From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 16 07:57:31 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA12061 for ; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 07:57:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id AB3611F02C8; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 07:57:26 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990216073015.018d88f0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 07:32:03 -0500 To: McKeithen@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Tire advice In-Reply-To: <3d23e9e4.36c4e574@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I've been happy for years with the Metzeler Laser on the front and the Metzeler Metronic or Perfect on the back (1981 & 82 Honda CB750F bikes, 8-10,000 mi. for the rear tire, 10-12,000 mi. for the front). I'm not as pleased with the way the Laser works on the front of my BMW K100LT, but I'll see what it's like when I put on the new rear tire. Chris Norloff At 09:37 PM 2/12/99 , McKeithen@XXXXXX wrote: >I will soon need to replace the rear tire on my 750 Nighthawk so I am looking >for advice. >The bike has almost 14k miles and this will be the second replacement of the >as delivered Dunlop. I'm not really satisfied with 7k miles per tire. >I commute about 70 miles round-trip per day and ride almost every day. (I >don't do ice /snow). My wife and I do mild touring and cruising on weekends. >Not iron-butt stuff, 300 miles would be a good long day. We like to take in >the sights. >I don't really care about max cornering speeds, but do wnat something that >handles decently. >Should I go to radials, realizing that on the first changover I have to >replace front and rear. If so, given the above description of how I use the >bike, what would be your thoughts? >TIA >Bob From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 16 07:57:32 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA12062 for ; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 07:57:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id AB3811F02C8; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 07:57:28 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990216075422.018c2c70@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 07:55:29 -0500 To: "Dc Cycles" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Resting easy this coming New Years In-Reply-To: <062701be5968$48ab2880$3d10b1cd@newmicronpc> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Dear Sirs, > In reference to your memo concerning the Y to K problem. > > I hope I haven't misunderstood your instructions. > Because to be honest, none of this Y to K problem > makes any sense to me. > > At any rate I have finished converting all the > months on all my calendars so that the year 2000 > is ready to go with the following new months: > > Januark, Februark, Mak, Julk > > I hope that this alleviates your concerns. I just got the weeks straightened out, too: Sundak, Mondak, Tuesdak, Wednesdak, Thursdak, Fridak, Saturdak. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 16 07:58:22 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA12080 for ; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 07:58:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from natiboh.torrentnet.com (natiboh.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.1]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id HAA23161 for ; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 07:58:17 -0500 (EST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by natiboh.torrentnet.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id HAA22308 for ; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 07:58:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com(204.194.180.31) by natiboh.torrentnet.com via smap (V2.0) id xma022306; Tue, 16 Feb 99 07:58:00 -0500 Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id AB3711F02C8; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 07:57:27 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990216074443.018c1c70@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 07:51:32 -0500 To: Dale Horstman , DC Cycles From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Fall Down Go Boom In-Reply-To: <36C89F37.D515318F@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 05:27 PM 2/15/99 , Dale Horstman wrote: >Well, I didn't plan on crashing today, but sometimes things >just happen. Ouch. Sorry to hear, and glad you're basically okay. > Heading south on one of my favorite backroads, >Joplin Road in Pr. William Co., just taking it easy enjoying >the day. There's one 15 mph turn that's a little bit hairy, >but I knew it pretty well, slowed down nicely for it, but >there was this big pickup coming the other way, crowding (but >not over) the centerline, I widened my line just a bit to >compensate, maybe more than a little bit, uh-oh, I'm running >wide! >... I still don't really know what I did wrong. And >that bugs me. I wasn't riding hard, maybe I fixated on the truck for >too long, but I should have been able to make that corner. I can't >explain it yet. My guess from your description is that the pickup truck came at just the wrong time and when you moved over to give yourself more room, that was about all the room you had when the bike is leaned over (tall bike, narrow road). If the truck crowding but not crossing the center line was enough to make you want to move to get more room, it sounds like you were expecting the oncoming lane to be empty. It's surprising how quickly things can go bad when it seems like everything's going well. The more I ride, the more safety margin I want. best wishes, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 16 08:40:17 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com (ndcrelay2.mcit.com [166.37.172.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA12690 for ; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 08:40:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta1.mcit.com (omta1.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id NAA20055 for ; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 13:36:45 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta1.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990216133932.FYPL16006@toddnt> for ; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 07:39:32 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Red/White FJ1200 Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 08:37:59 -0500 Message-ID: <000301be59b1$910ca100$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal ...you were in fatigues and looking mighty chilly on the I95 HOV this morning. We were playing tag, me on the Black ST. Anyone on this list? Todd From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 16 08:52:56 1999 Return-Path: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA12906 for ; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 08:52:54 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id IAA25647 for ; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 08:52:52 -0500 (EST) Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id IAA22464; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 08:54:17 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xmaa22310; Tue, 16 Feb 99 08:53:59 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F790067G2KYWY@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 08:54:14 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 8525671A.004BFA2A ; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 08:49:52 -0500 Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 08:48:29 -0500 Subject: Re: Fall Down Go Boom To: Dale Horstman Cc: DC Cycles Message-id: <8525671A.004B9BC0.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Dale, Sorry to hear about the accident, and I am glad you are (relatively) unhurt. Look on the bright side ... atleast you have that "parts" bike you can use to fix Bugslayer! :-) --chris PS. Tracy's not back on the list yet is she? ;-) To: DC Cycles cc: (bcc: Christopher Meier/P I/Arlington VA/C&L/US) From: Dale Horstman Date: 02/15/99 10:27:03 PM GMT Subject: Fall Down Go Boom Well, I didn't plan on crashing today, but sometimes things --snip-- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Tag: BGSLYR 1998 Kawasaki Concours (No, it's not a typo!) 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. 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From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 16 09:00:20 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA13073 for ; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 09:00:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id JAA26336 for ; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 09:00:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta1.mcit.com (omta1.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id NAA03864; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 13:59:26 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta1.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990216135938.GAHP16006@toddnt>; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 07:59:38 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Dale Horstman" , "DC Cycles" Subject: RE: Fall Down Go Boom Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 08:58:04 -0500 Message-ID: <000501be59b4$5fb47580$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-reply-to: <36C89F37.D515318F@tidalwave.net> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal My sincere condolences Dale, and I'm glad you are physically alright. These big machines do tend to burst into plastic fragments in the unfortunate get-off (knocking on wood). It sounds like you maybe levered the rear tire in the extreme lean, which caused the slide. The bike levered back and pitched you. Good luck with the insurance and keep us posted. Todd Dale Horstman Wrote: > Well, I didn't plan on crashing today, but sometimes things > just happen. uh-oh, I'm running > wide! > > I lean harder, started dragging hard stuff, I'm not > gonna make it... no shoulder, soft gravel sloping down off > the roadway, BugSlayer is sideways, then hooks up in the soft > stuff, spits me off on the highside, about 15-20 mph. > Anyway, as far as near-death experiences go, this one was not too > bad. I got lucky. I still don't really know what I did wrong. And > that bugs me. I wasn't riding hard, maybe I fixated on the truck for > too long, but I should have been able to make that corner. I can't > explain it yet. > > Oh well, ride safe everyone. More later. Time for more aspirin. :) > > Dale > -- From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 16 09:12:46 1999 Return-Path: bnorton@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA13239 for ; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 09:12:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from netgate.anent.com (netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id JAA26926 for ; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 09:12:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from bruce ([208.195.115.23] (may be forged)) by netgate.anent.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with SMTP id JAA02394; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 09:15:41 -0500 Message-ID: <005a01be59b6$92abb8c0$1773c3d0@bruce> From: "Bruce Norton" To: "Dale Horstman" , "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: Fall Down Go Boom Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 09:13:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Wow, I'm really glad to hear that all major damage is mechanical. Let's be careful out there! Bruce From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 16 09:33:32 1999 Return-Path: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from pm03sm.pmm.cw.net (pm03sm.pmm.cw.net [208.159.126.152]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA13575 for ; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 09:33:30 -0500 (EST) From: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from a (usr49-dialup55.mix2.Boston.cw.net [166.55.79.55]) by PM03SM.PMM.CW.NET (PMDF V5.2-29 #35317) with SMTP id <0F79004IL4ETW8@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 14:32:57 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 09:32:24 +0000 Subject: Re: truck help To: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" , dc cycles Message-id: <008701be598f$44f11c00$374f37a6@a> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Collin, Sorry I didn't get your message last night. Honestly, I've never seen a u-joint like that before. Maybe you just have to take a punch and hammer and knock them out. Wouldn't suprise me, it's a Crapslyer product. 8^P Is your truck still under warrenty? If it is, call the nearest dealership and have them tow it in. They should pay for towing and warranty the parts/labor. If you need some help, let me know. I work next to a Dodge dealership and can ask a guy tomorrow. I'm off today and will probably take a cruise in the afternoon. 8^) Jon >Paging Jon Schumer, ro any other auto tech type.... > >I had the front U-joint give out on the dodge this afternoon.. :( As I >crawled under to take it out and put a new one in, i realize that the >one in question does not have the bolted on caps like most U-joints (the >rear one on this truck included) Rather, all for slots are solid one >piece construction...and those mothers are in there tight!! >Any tricks of the trade for getting one of these buggers out?? I'd like >to go back and get the truck home tonight rather than leaving it in a >shopping center overnight... thanks for any help >Collin > > > >-- >_________________________________________ >Collin and Penny Fagan >LT, U.S. Coast Guard >(202) 366-0067 (work) >(703) 356-4279 (home) >ICQ UIN: 435732 >http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ >(us, bikes, reptiles, and more) >http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ >(racing page) From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 16 09:34:27 1999 Return-Path: Jeannette_O'Brien@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA13585 for ; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 09:34:26 -0500 (EST) From: Jeannette_O'Brien@XXXXXX Received: from relay7.UU.NET (relay7.UU.NET [192.48.96.17]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id JAA28257 for ; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 09:34:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from 172.16.2.37 by relay7.UU.NET with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: user252.shawpittman.com [208.200.185.252]) id QQgcva12200; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 09:34:23 -0500 (EST) Received: by 172.16.2.37(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.3 (733.2 10-16-1998)) id 8525671A.0050636E ; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 09:38:03 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SPPT To: Dale Horstman cc: DC Cycles Message-ID: <8525671A.005061D3.00@172.16.2.37> Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 09:29:41 -0500 Subject: Re: Fall Down Go Boom Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Glad you're alright, Dale. - Jeannette From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 16 09:54:31 1999 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA13919 for ; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 09:54:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 09:53:49 -0500 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 09:53:45 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 10:53:26 -0500 From: JOE NAGY To: McKeithen@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, raymondlucas@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Tire advice -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline I really like the Metzler Metronic (ME 55). Decent mileage, still pretty good stick. Not sure about the radial thing, or if they'd even come in sizes to fit your bike. Joe '85 zx 900 From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 16 10:04:35 1999 Return-Path: gixer@XXXXXX Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA14118 for ; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 10:04:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-36-154.s154.tnt6.ann.erols.com [207.172.36.154]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA04894; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 10:06:13 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36C988B7.79620775@geocities.com> Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 10:03:19 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Todd Peer CC: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Red/White FJ1200 References: <000301be59b1$910ca100$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit LOL...That sounds an aweful lot like one of those personal ads you see in the newspaper.... thanks for the morning laugh! Todd Peer wrote: > > ...you were in fatigues and looking mighty chilly on the I95 HOV this > morning. We were playing tag, me on the Black ST. Anyone on this list? > > Todd -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LT, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ (racing page) From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 16 10:11:47 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA14200 for ; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 10:11:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA26999 for ; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 10:11:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (known iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA20606 for ; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 10:11:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 10:11:09 -0500 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 10:11:04 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 11:10:31 -0500 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, brn626@XXXXXX Subject: Does Size Matter? (150/60ZR-18) -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline If your rim is between 3.00 and 4.00 inches, a 150 would probably be ok, assuming no probs with chain guard and rear brake stay. You gain a slightly beefier look. You may lose a bit of quickness in handling. Joe RD400F w/skinny tires and it still leans waaay over . . . >>> "Brian N" - 2/14/99 8:04 AM >>> I have a 96 FZR600 which has a stock 140/60-18 tire. I am limited to tire choices due to the size. If I used a 150/60-18 what would I gain or lose? Any help is appreciated. Thanks, Brian N. in Ashburn, VA. From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 16 10:24:35 1999 Return-Path: alexm@XXXXXX Received: from gate1.sprintlink.net (gate1.sprintlink.net [199.0.233.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA14434 for ; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 10:24:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from athens.res.sprintlink.net by gate1.sprintlink.net via smtpd (for dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) with SMTP; 16 Feb 1999 15:24:32 UT Received: from localhost (alexm@localhost) by athens.res.sprintlink.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA07338 for ; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 10:24:21 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 10:24:21 -0500 (EST) From: Alex Milenkovic To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Red/White FJ1200 In-Reply-To: <36C988B7.79620775@geocities.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > LOL...That sounds an aweful lot like one of those personal ads you see > in the newspaper.... thanks for the morning laugh! > > Todd Peer wrote: > > > > ...you were in fatigues and looking mighty chilly on the I95 HOV this > > morning. We were playing tag, me on the Black ST. Anyone on this list? > > > > Todd > Soo.. what are you doing reading the personal ads, eh? Alex. From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 16 11:09:52 1999 Return-Path: Jeannette_O'Brien@XXXXXX Received: from relay5.UU.NET (relay5.UU.NET [192.48.96.15]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA15205 for ; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 11:09:50 -0500 (EST) From: Jeannette_O'Brien@XXXXXX Received: from 172.16.2.37 by relay5.UU.NET with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: user252.shawpittman.com [208.200.185.252]) id QQgcvg17346; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 11:08:39 -0500 (EST) Received: by 172.16.2.37(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.3 (733.2 10-16-1998)) id 8525671A.00590392 ; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 11:12:16 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SPPT To: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" cc: Todd Peer , DC-Cycles Message-ID: <8525671A.00590163.00@172.16.2.37> Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 11:03:50 -0500 Subject: Re: Red/White FJ1200 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Yeah, I saw once in the City Paper once to me! LOL - Jeannette "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" cc: DC-Cycles (bcc: Jeannette O'Brien/SPPT/US) Subject: Re: Red/White FJ1200 LOL...That sounds an aweful lot like one of those personal ads you see in the newspaper.... thanks for the morning laugh! Todd Peer wrote: > > ...you were in fatigues and looking mighty chilly on the I95 HOV this > morning. We were playing tag, me on the Black ST. Anyone on this list? > > Todd -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LT, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ (racing page) From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 16 11:26:15 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA15515 for ; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 11:26:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA28135 for ; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 11:26:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.UU.NET (known relay2.UU.NET [192.48.96.7]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA22887 for ; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 11:26:07 -0500 (EST) From: Jeannette_O'Brien@XXXXXX Received: from 172.16.2.37 by relay2.UU.NET with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: user252.shawpittman.com [208.200.185.252]) id QQgcvh00344; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 11:26:05 -0500 (EST) Received: by 172.16.2.37(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.3 (733.2 10-16-1998)) id 8525671A.005A9E52 ; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 11:29:47 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SPPT cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, brn626@XXXXXX Message-ID: <8525671A.005A9D92.00@172.16.2.37> Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 11:21:25 -0500 Subject: Calling Ursulina!! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Sorry to use the list, but I'm trying to reach Ursulina. Can you please e-mail me if you get this, woman? Thanks! - Jeannette From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 16 11:35:19 1999 Return-Path: raymondlucas@XXXXXX Received: from send205.yahoomail.com (send205.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.129]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA15784 for ; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 11:35:15 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990216163519.15673.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com> Received: from [209.48.193.3] by send205.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 08:35:19 PST Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 08:35:19 -0800 (PST) From: Ray Subject: Calling Ursulina and Coneboy (Scooter) To: DCCycles List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hey, if Jeannette can do it so can I! Ursulina and Scooter please email me Ray raymondlucas@XXXXXX _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 16 11:46:00 1999 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA15959 for ; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 11:45:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA07842 for ; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 11:45:31 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 11:45:30 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: New rider? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII My wife came to me the other day with a 97 motorcycle buyers guide opened to the page with the Rebel 250 on it... :) Hmmm, should I let this opportunity pass? Kirk From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 16 12:11:13 1999 Return-Path: Jeannette_O'Brien@XXXXXX Received: from relay1.UU.NET (relay1.UU.NET [192.48.96.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA16317 for ; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 12:11:11 -0500 (EST) From: Jeannette_O'Brien@XXXXXX Received: from 172.16.2.37 by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: user252.shawpittman.com [208.200.185.252]) id QQgcvk03154; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 12:10:04 -0500 (EST) Received: by 172.16.2.37(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.3 (733.2 10-16-1998)) id 8525671A.005EA52A ; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 12:13:46 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SPPT To: Kirk Roy cc: DC-Cycles Mailing List Message-ID: <8525671A.005EA3B1.00@172.16.2.37> Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 12:05:22 -0500 Subject: Re: New rider? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline No! We need more women on the list! Let us know if she gets a bike! : ) - Jeannette Kirk Roy on 02/16/99 11:45:30 AM To: DC-Cycles Mailing List cc: (bcc: Jeannette O'Brien/SPPT/US) Subject: New rider? My wife came to me the other day with a 97 motorcycle buyers guide opened to the page with the Rebel 250 on it... :) Hmmm, should I let this opportunity pass? Kirk From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 16 12:22:31 1999 Return-Path: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA16617 for ; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 12:22:29 -0500 (EST) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo20.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id JKAOa19764; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 12:21:36 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 12:21:36 EST To: cnorloff@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Resting easy this coming New Years Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 good for you! now perhaps you can explain the reason for the new system having apparently SEVEN WEEKS in a month!!!! ;D :P Marcy In a message dated 2/16/99 8:02:00 AM Eastern Standard Time, cnorloff@XXXXXX writes: > I just got the weeks straightened out, too: > Sundak, Mondak, Tuesdak, Wednesdak, Thursdak, Fridak, Saturdak. From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 16 12:24:55 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA16647 for ; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 12:24:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA29043 for ; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 12:24:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from animal.DINFOS.OSD.MIL (known animal.dinfos.osd.mil [199.122.55.11]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA25093 for ; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 12:24:48 -0500 (EST) Received: by ANIMAL.dinfos.osd.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <12LRZMCN>; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 12:24:47 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: New rider? Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 12:24:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain No! No! No! Buy! Buy! Buy! Mitch -----Original Message----- From: Kirk Roy [mailto:kirk@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 1999 11:46 AM To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: New rider? My wife came to me the other day with a 97 motorcycle buyers guide opened to the page with the Rebel 250 on it... :) Hmmm, should I let this opportunity pass? Kirk From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 16 12:25:54 1999 Return-Path: raymondlucas@XXXXXX Received: from send205.yahoomail.com (send205.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.129]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA16670 for ; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 12:25:52 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990216172610.17253.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com> Received: from [209.48.193.3] by send205.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 09:26:09 PST Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 09:26:09 -0800 (PST) From: Ray Subject: WOODEN BIKESTAND PLANS To: DCCycles List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The location for the K-bike stand is www.ibmwr.org/otech/bike_stand.html I can't figure out the plans myself, maybe the more engineeringly inclined can convert it to American for us (and metric for Collin). Ray _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 16 12:32:15 1999 Return-Path: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com (imo21.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.65]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA16851 for ; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 12:32:12 -0500 (EST) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo21.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 8DBUa07798; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 12:29:58 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 12:29:58 EST To: kirk@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: New rider? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 Good God, NO man! ;D Marcy In a message dated 2/16/99 11:53:17 AM Eastern Standard Time, kirk@XXXXXX writes: > Hmmm, should I let this > opportunity pass? From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 16 12:54:10 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA17261 for ; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 12:54:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net [166.32.112.69] by tidalwave.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.00) id AF415600110; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 12:47:45 EST Message-ID: <36C9B0A0.70DE2A09@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 12:53:36 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kirk Roy CC: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: New rider? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What, are you holding out for a Ducati? I don't get it. If you get a chance to get tacit wifely approval of your riding, and a chance to get your best friend in the world on wheels alongside you, you better go for it, and then remind her it was her idea. :) Dale Kirk Roy wrote: > > My wife came to me the other day with a 97 motorcycle buyers guide opened > to the page with the Rebel 250 on it... :) Hmmm, should I let this > opportunity pass? > > Kirk -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You'll know she loves you if she offers horkster@XXXXXX to let you ride her bike. Don't do it Dale City, Virginia and she'll love you even more." 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - "BugSlayer" VA Tag: BGSLYR 1998 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - No name, and no fancy tag either 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 - Ours - But mostly mine From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 16 13:14:55 1999 Return-Path: Perry_Coleman@XXXXXX Received: from na-ex-bridge2.nai.com (na-ex-bridge2.nai.com [208.228.228.65]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA17621 for ; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 13:14:52 -0500 (EST) Received: by na-ex-bridge2.nai.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id <15D7NS4P>; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 10:20:20 -0800 Message-ID: <447A3F40A07FD211BA2700A0C99D759B0DC826@md-exchange1.nai.com> From: "Coleman, Perry" To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: New rider? Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 10:13:29 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Kirk, It should also be noted that the MSF beginners course uses Rebel 250s. What a perfect opportunity to learn on someone elses and then go ride her own! Do it... Perry From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 16 13:18:22 1999 Return-Path: SuazoT@XXXXXX Received: from peosmtp.PEOSTAMIS.BELVOIR.ARMY.MIL (peosmtp.peostamis.belvoir.army.mil [160.147.8.35]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA17725 for ; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 13:18:15 -0500 (EST) Received: by peosmtp.peostamis.belvoir.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 13:17:53 -0500 Message-ID: <311E65DE4D34D1118EEB0000F62EC3913F2148@zeus.peostamis.belvoir.army.mil> From: "Suazo, Tony" To: DC Cycles Subject: RE: Fall Down Go Boom Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 13:17:48 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Sorry to hear about the accident. Glad to hear that you are alright. Maybe ... old bike + insurance money = new bike ? Tony CBR600 F3 From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 16 15:35:28 1999 Return-Path: gixer@XXXXXX Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA20496 for ; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 15:35:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-36-154.s154.tnt6.ann.erols.com [207.172.36.154]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA05352 for ; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 15:37:12 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36C9D65D.207E9D89@geocities.com> Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 15:34:37 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: need a ride Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anyone one out there near the Falls Church area available to give me and my drive shaft a ride over to the Fair Lakes shopping center?? Ursulina said she can take me over there around 7, but I'd prefer to get the shaft back in the truck while it's still daylight out...phone number is below if anyone can help.... appreciate it... Collin -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LT, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ (racing page) From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 16 17:43:26 1999 Return-Path: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA22926 for ; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 17:43:22 -0500 (EST) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id D3L4864J; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 17:43:00 EST To: kirk@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: New rider? Message-ID: <19990213.233740.4983.3.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-13 From: Bikes R Us Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 17:43:00 EST Speaking as an employee of a moto dealership, do not allow this moment to pass by unattended! :-) JohnDavid@Bikes R Us On Tue, 16 Feb 1999 11:45:30 -0500 (EST) Kirk Roy writes: >My wife came to me the other day with a 97 motorcycle buyers guide >opened >to the page with the Rebel 250 on it... :) Hmmm, should I let this >opportunity pass? > >Kirk > > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 16 17:43:31 1999 Return-Path: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA22928 for ; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 17:43:26 -0500 (EST) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id D3L4868D; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 17:43:00 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Boat Show morons Message-ID: <19990213.233740.4983.4.bike.dealer@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-2,4-7,9-10,12-13,16-23 From: Bikes R Us Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 17:43:00 EST I worked our booth at the boat show in Chantilly on Sunday. A couple approached me and the woman climbed on one of our Wave Runners. She said, "Ooo, I like this! How much is it?" She was smiling and enthusiastic. "It goes for $7600," I said. "How fast does it go?" "It'll do a little more than 60mph...62, 63, 64 maybe." "Oh." The excitement drained out of her face like someone had pulled a plug. "That's not fast enough?" I asked her. "Well, my boyfriend has a jet ski that'll go 50mph. I wanted to be able to keep up with him on the water." I just stood there dumbstruck. My eyes shifted from boyfriend to girlfriend and back again. Neither of them seemed to realize what all of you have already figured out. Finally, I said, "Well, this one is a little faster then." She said, "Oh well, we'll have to keep looking. Thanks." And they LEFT! All I could say was, "I hope you find what you're looking for!" ?!? JohnDavid@Bikes R Us ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 16 18:27:21 1999 Return-Path: ljtanner@XXXXXX Received: from smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA23780 for ; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 18:27:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from ltanner (207-172-66-69.s69.tnt25.brd.erols.com [207.172.66.69]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with SMTP id SAA14757 for ; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 18:27:07 -0500 (EST) From: "Linda Tanner" To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: RE: Fall Down Go Boom Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 18:24:33 -0500 Message-ID: <000001be5a03$82d2b000$4542accf@ltanner> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <36C89F37.D515318F@tidalwave.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 I'm so sorry to hear about your mishap, but glad you seemed to come through ok. Practice that plastic repair. I'm sure you'll be riding soon, if not on BugSlayer, then perhaps the alter ego ;-) LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze (53K miles and counting) Dale Horstman said with much chagrin: Well, I didn't plan on crashing today, but sometimes things just happen. From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 16 18:37:49 1999 Return-Path: raymondlucas@XXXXXX Received: from send205.yahoomail.com (send205.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.129]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA23938 for ; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 18:37:46 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990216233808.16744.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.30.31.206] by send205.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 15:38:08 PST Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 15:38:08 -0800 (PST) From: Ray Subject: Re: need a ride To: cfagan@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii If I had known before now... By the time I could get there you and Ursulina will have been gone almost an hour. Ray ---"Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" wrote: > > Anyone one out there near the Falls Church area available to give me and > my drive shaft a ride over to the Fair Lakes shopping center?? > Ursulina said she can take me over there around 7, but I'd prefer to > get the shaft back in the truck while it's still daylight out...phone > number is below if anyone can help.... appreciate it... > > Collin > -- > _________________________________________ > Collin and Penny Fagan > LT, U.S. Coast Guard > (202) 366-0067 (work) > (703) 356-4279 (home) > ICQ UIN: 435732 > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ > (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ > (racing page) > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 16 20:33:33 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA26019 for ; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 20:33:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA06625 for ; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 20:33:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (known smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.157]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA11649 for ; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 20:33:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from zellto (adsl-151-200-16-190.bellatlantic.net [151.200.16.190]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id UAA00504 for ; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 20:35:15 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <003801be5a15$fd5a01e0$be10c897@zellto.bellatlantic.net> From: "Thomas and Jeannette" To: Subject: Re: New rider? Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 20:36:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 NO! NO! NO! Buy something else!! Not the crap-ass, can't get out of its own way Rebel 250! She'll be ready to toss it in a year if not sooner! Something of the more sporting variety would probably be better... GS500, Bandit 600, etc. -Tom '86 VFR750 -----Original Message----- From: Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' Date: Tuesday, February 16, 1999 12:37 PM Subject: RE: New rider? >No! No! No! Buy! Buy! Buy! > >Mitch > >-----Original Message----- >From: Kirk Roy [mailto:kirk@XXXXXX] >Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 1999 11:46 AM >To: DC-Cycles Mailing List >Subject: New rider? > > >My wife came to me the other day with a 97 motorcycle buyers guide opened >to the page with the Rebel 250 on it... :) Hmmm, should I let this >opportunity pass? > >Kirk > From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 16 21:05:12 1999 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA26626 for ; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 21:05:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA21526 for ; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 21:05:05 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 21:05:04 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: New rider? In-Reply-To: <003801be5a15$fd5a01e0$be10c897@zellto.bellatlantic.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 16 Feb 1999, Thomas and Jeannette wrote: > NO! NO! NO! Buy something else!! Not the crap-ass, can't get out of its > own way Rebel 250! She'll be ready to toss it in a year if not sooner! > > Something of the more sporting variety would probably be better... GS500, > Bandit 600, etc. My wife is 5'0" on a good day. She has no hopes of even tiptoeing most bikes... If I can get her to do it we'll get her a used XR100 and teach her to ride the way it should be done... :) Kirk From dc-cycles-request Tue Feb 16 21:15:21 1999 Return-Path: dreamer@XXXXXX Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [209.48.224.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA26803 for ; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 21:15:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from brat.knowhere.net (port51.annex4.radix.net [209.48.225.179]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA02552; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 21:15:11 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199902170215.VAA02552@mail1.radix.net> X-Sender: dreamer@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.1 Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 21:17:30 -0500 To: Kirk Roy , DC-Cycles Mailing List From: "Dawn G.T. Gibson" Subject: Re: New rider? In-Reply-To: References: <003801be5a15$fd5a01e0$be10c897@zellto.bellatlantic.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; types="text/plain,text/html"; boundary="=====================_1835118==_.ALT" --=====================_1835118==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:05 PM 2/16/99 -0500, Kirk Roy wrote: >My wife is 5'0" on a good day. She has no hopes of even tiptoeing most >bikes... If I can get her to do it we'll get her a used XR100 and teach >her to ride the way it should be done... :) Speaking as a height challenged person, consider a Virago. Very low seat height and a decent ride, at least my 1100 is. Dawn G.T. Gibson, dreamer@XXXXXX '96 Virago 1100 Special, KnowMad --=====================_1835118==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
At 09:05 PM 2/16/99 -0500, Kirk Roy wrote:

>My wife is 5'0" on a good day. She has no hopes of even tiptoeing most
>bikes... If I can get her to do it we'll get her a used XR100 and teach
>her to ride the way it should be done... :)

Speaking as a height challenged person, consider a Virago.  Very low seat height and a decent ride, at least my 1100 is. 



Dawn G.T. Gibson, dreamer@XXXXXX
'96 Virago 1100 Special, KnowMad
 --=====================_1835118==_.ALT-- From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 17 02:07:22 1999 Return-Path: djonesj@XXXXXX Received: from charron.balink.com (mailserver.balink.com [199.45.32.52]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA02094 for ; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 02:07:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from talos4.ops.bais.com (talos4 [199.45.50.47]) by charron.balink.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA14700 for ; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 02:08:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from shuttle.bais.com (shuttle [199.45.50.40]) by talos4.ops.bais.com (8.8.5/8.8.8) with SMTP id CAA04239 for ; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 02:08:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from bellatlantic.net by shuttle.bais.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id BAA20793; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 01:59:56 -0500 Sender: djones@XXXXXX Message-ID: <36CA68EC.4AE32373@bellatlantic.net> Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 01:59:56 -0500 From: Contractor - Douglas Jones X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4u) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE:Falling Down & Going Boom Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Dale, Sorry to hear about your high-sided incident yesterday, but reading about your accident reminded of my high-side accident last year, on a test drive at that. I've owned (9) bikes, my latest, a 93' CBR1000F. The bike I crashed on was a 91' FZR1000, awsome bike with a dynoed 135hp. I was test driving the bike because my 90' VFR750 was no longer satisfying my need for speed. I took the big FZR out on some back roads, being very careful & cautious because this thing had gobs & gobs of power. I hit about (3) miles of curves & I was sold. I turned around to return the bike & to haggle on the price. Keep in mind, I had not sold the VFR yet. At this point my confidence was increasing & I was approaching a 15 mph hair pin, I start to down shift from about 50 mph, using the front & rear brakes, more front than rear when all of sudden, my rear tire starts to slide side-ways. Things start to happen in S-L-O-W motion. this beautiful bike was about to throw & possible kill me. Even though the bike is very compact for a 1litre, it still weighs in over 500 lbs. Okay, back to the slide. As the bike tire is coming around on my right side, I don't have the option of ridng into the slide, there's a ditch approaching, so my other option is to hopefully ride out the slide with my left leg/foot supporting the lean. Well, what typically happens in a high-side is that the tires will eventually catch & regrip the pavement. This is what happened to me, once the tires caught, the actual high-side began. This happened blindingly fast. I was catapulted over the bike, & as I was leaving my mount , the right peg caught my boot & ripped the sole completely off. So, at this time, I'm flying through the air about 10-15 feet. Instinctively, I start to lower my head to somersault & I land on my back sliding into the ditch. What was really scary was the bike sliding behind me. I could hear it coming. I was preparing myself for impact. The bike stopped right next to me. I just layed there, in the muddy ditch, looking at the sky, slowly moving my limbs & fingers. I snapped out of it, because the bike was on it's side leaking gas. I'm not a huge guy, but I can bench 375 & l pulled that bike right out of the ditch like it was a scooter. I didn't feel the blood running down my arm & back or that fact that my ankle was fractured or spranged. The right clip-on was bent down, the right mirror was gone & various scrapes & scratches on the right side of the bike. Surprisingly, neither frame, forks or brakes/rotors were touched. One of the locals stopped by to help me with the bike & he said people crash there all the time because the owner of the property puts gravel on the hill side to keep his yard from being washed away when it rains. The problem is that when it rains, the gravel is washed into the street, thus my high-side. The road was covered in shadows because of the trees, so I didn't notice the gravel until after the accident. So, I bought the bike, sold the VFR & spent about $1K repairing & customizing my new/used bike. I sold it (6) months later because it wasn't comfortable on long rides. Unfortunately, I wasn't wearing my leather jacket, which could've saved some of my skin. Moral of the story - No matter how long you've been riding or how many bikes you've owned, you can't always keep the shiny side up. Also, you should visually inspect unknown roads before test driving a super bike on it. Ride Safe, DJ Bowie, MD 93' CBR1000F aka "Charity" From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 17 03:54:44 1999 Return-Path: djonesj@XXXXXX Received: from charron.balink.com (mailserver.balink.com [199.45.32.52]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA04853 for ; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 03:54:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from talos4.ops.bais.com (talos4 [199.45.50.47]) by charron.balink.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA19123; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 03:55:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from shuttle.bais.com (shuttle [199.45.50.40]) by talos4.ops.bais.com (8.8.5/8.8.8) with SMTP id DAA06229; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 03:55:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from bellatlantic.net by shuttle.bais.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id DAA20851; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 03:46:42 -0500 Sender: djones@XXXXXX Message-ID: <36CA81F1.5724758D@bellatlantic.net> Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 03:46:41 -0500 From: Contractor - Douglas Jones X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4u) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: cbr-digest@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [Fwd: Returned mail: Host unknown (Name server: katana.com;dc-cycles: host not found)] Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------68FFBA42E0E143E96F33125B" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------68FFBA42E0E143E96F33125B Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --------------68FFBA42E0E143E96F33125B Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: from mail4.bellatlantic.net ([151.197.0.38]) by immta1.bellatlantic.net (InterMail v03.02.06 118 122) with ESMTP id <19990217083235.DZUD1472@XXXXXX> for ; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 03:32:35 -0500 Received: from meretrix.com (dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mail4.bellatlantic.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA09365 for ; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 03:32:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with internal id DAA03935; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 03:29:43 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 03:29:43 -0500 (EST) From: Mail Delivery Subsystem Subject: Returned mail: Host unknown (Name server: katana.com;dc-cycles: host not found) Message-Id: <199902170829.DAA03935@meretrix.com> To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/report; report-type=delivery-status; boundary="DAA03935.919240183/meretrix.com" Auto-Submitted: auto-generated (failure) This is a MIME-encapsulated message --DAA03935.919240183/meretrix.com The original message was received at Wed, 17 Feb 1999 03:29:40 -0500 (EST) from mailserver.balink.com [199.45.32.52] ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- ----- Transcript of session follows ----- 550 ... Host unknown (Name server: katana.com;dc-cycles: host not found) --DAA03935.919240183/meretrix.com Content-Type: message/delivery-status Reporting-MTA: dns; meretrix.com Received-From-MTA: DNS; mailserver.balink.com Arrival-Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 03:29:40 -0500 (EST) Final-Recipient: RFC822; cbr-digest@XXXXXX;dc-cycles Action: failed Status: 5.1.2 Remote-MTA: DNS; katana.com;dc-cycles Last-Attempt-Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 03:29:42 -0500 (EST) --DAA03935.919240183/meretrix.com Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: djonesj@XXXXXX Received: from charron.balink.com (mailserver.balink.com [199.45.32.52]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA03933 for ; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 03:29:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from talos4.ops.bais.com (talos4 [199.45.50.47]) by charron.balink.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA11297 for ; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 03:30:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from shuttle.bais.com (shuttle [199.45.50.40]) by talos4.ops.bais.com (8.8.5/8.8.8) with SMTP id DAA05782 for ; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 03:30:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from bellatlantic.net by shuttle.bais.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id DAA20837; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 03:22:20 -0500 Sender: djones@XXXXXX Message-ID: <36CA7C3C.E629E5FC@bellatlantic.net> Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 03:22:20 -0500 From: Contractor - Douglas Jones X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4u) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "cbr-digest@XXXXXX;dc-cycles"@dc-cycles.org Subject: BC2000??? Bike Speed Odometer/Computer Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, The model may be incorrect but when I was on the VFR mailing list, I visited a web page that showed how to mount one of these little digital speedometers onto a motorcycle. This speedometer is supposed to be very accurate up to 175 mph I think. If anyone knows of this web page please forward it to me off line. Thanks, DJ 93' CBR1000F --DAA03935.919240183/meretrix.com-- --------------68FFBA42E0E143E96F33125B-- From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 17 08:14:32 1999 Return-Path: djonesj@XXXXXX Received: from charron.balink.com (mailserver.balink.com [199.45.32.52]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA08718 for ; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 08:14:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from talos4.ops.bais.com (talos4 [199.45.50.47]) by charron.balink.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA14272; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 08:15:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from shuttle.bais.com (shuttle [199.45.50.40]) by talos4.ops.bais.com (8.8.5/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA11148; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 08:15:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from bellatlantic.net by shuttle.bais.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id IAA20925; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 08:06:36 -0500 Sender: djones@XXXXXX Message-ID: <36CABEDB.F8CADE6E@bellatlantic.net> Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 08:06:35 -0500 From: Contractor - Douglas Jones X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4u) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: cbr-digest@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: BC2000??? Digital Speedometer Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, The model may be incorrect but when I was on the VFR mailing list, I visited a web page that showed how to mount one of these little digital speedometers onto a motorcycle. This speedometer is supposed to be very accurate up to 175 mph I think. If anyone knows of this web page please forward it to me off line. Thanks, DJ 93' CBR1000F From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 17 08:25:08 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA08897 for ; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 08:25:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA15436 for ; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 08:25:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from animal.DINFOS.OSD.MIL (known animal.dinfos.osd.mil [199.122.55.11]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA20783 for ; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 08:24:59 -0500 (EST) Received: by ANIMAL.dinfos.osd.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <12LRZ3BX>; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 08:25:07 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO" To: "'Thomas and Jeannette'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: New rider? Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 08:25:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain I guess upon further thought, I have to agree with you. I think I was just excited for Kirk that his significant other wanted to buy her own. I had a friend in Norfolk who was learning to ride, and he bought a Kawasaki (?) 200 street bike. I warned him that it was too small for him, and within three months he was looking for something larger. Ended up buying a used 1988 Kawasaki 454, which served his purposes until he succumbed to the lure of Harley-Davidson. But he couldn't get rid of the 200 until he was willing to sell it for half what he paid for it. Ouch. Mitch -----Original Message----- From: Thomas and Jeannette [mailto:zellto@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 1999 8:37 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: New rider? NO! NO! NO! Buy something else!! Not the crap-ass, can't get out of its own way Rebel 250! She'll be ready to toss it in a year if not sooner! Something of the more sporting variety would probably be better... GS500, Bandit 600, etc. -Tom '86 VFR750 -----Original Message----- From: Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' Date: Tuesday, February 16, 1999 12:37 PM Subject: RE: New rider? >No! No! No! Buy! Buy! Buy! > >Mitch > >-----Original Message----- >From: Kirk Roy [mailto:kirk@XXXXXX] >Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 1999 11:46 AM >To: DC-Cycles Mailing List >Subject: New rider? > > >My wife came to me the other day with a 97 motorcycle buyers guide opened >to the page with the Rebel 250 on it... :) Hmmm, should I let this >opportunity pass? > >Kirk > From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 17 08:38:36 1999 Return-Path: HolmesM@XXXXXX Received: from animal.DINFOS.OSD.MIL (animal.dinfos.osd.mil [199.122.55.11]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA09157 for ; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 08:38:32 -0500 (EST) Received: by ANIMAL.dinfos.osd.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <12LRZ3DK>; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 08:38:36 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO" To: "'Bikes R Us'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Boat Show morons Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 08:38:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain What color was her hair? Just kidding, Mitch -----Original Message----- From: Bikes R Us [mailto:bike.dealer@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 1999 5:43 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Boat Show morons I worked our booth at the boat show in Chantilly on Sunday. A couple approached me and the woman climbed on one of our Wave Runners. She said, "Ooo, I like this! How much is it?" She was smiling and enthusiastic. "It goes for $7600," I said. "How fast does it go?" "It'll do a little more than 60mph...62, 63, 64 maybe." "Oh." The excitement drained out of her face like someone had pulled a plug. "That's not fast enough?" I asked her. "Well, my boyfriend has a jet ski that'll go 50mph. I wanted to be able to keep up with him on the water." I just stood there dumbstruck. My eyes shifted from boyfriend to girlfriend and back again. Neither of them seemed to realize what all of you have already figured out. Finally, I said, "Well, this one is a little faster then." She said, "Oh well, we'll have to keep looking. Thanks." And they LEFT! All I could say was, "I hope you find what you're looking for!" ?!? JohnDavid@Bikes R Us ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 17 08:38:53 1999 Return-Path: gixer@XXXXXX Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA09160 for ; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 08:38:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-36-154.s154.tnt6.ann.erols.com [207.172.36.154]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA08442; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 08:37:31 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36CAC62A.D8AB034F@geocities.com> Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 08:37:46 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Contractor - Douglas Jones , DC Cycles Subject: Re: BC2000??? Digital Speedometer References: <36CABEDB.F8CADE6E@bellatlantic.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The model you're referencing is the Sigma Sport BC-700. It's good up to 164 mph supposedly. The BC-800 is good to 124. You really shouldn't need any detailed description on mounting the thing as it is a very small and simple gizmo. All you need to do is epoxy the magnet onto one of the brake rotor's arms, then mount the magnetic pickup adjacent to the magnet on the fork tube (I hear zip ties work great). Or if you reall want to be creative, you can do like Todd Peer and make a small bracket so you can mount it on the rear wheel. Collin Contractor - Douglas Jones wrote: > The model may be incorrect but when I was on the VFR mailing list, I > visited a web page that showed how to mount one of these little digital > speedometers onto a motorcycle. _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LT, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ (racing page) From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 17 09:25:02 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA09885 for ; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 09:24:57 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id JAA15845; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 09:26:15 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma015380; Wed, 17 Feb 99 09:24:50 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F7A000J7YOV1M@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 09:25:07 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 8525671B.004ED5FB ; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 09:21:05 -0500 Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 09:14:12 -0500 Subject: Re: Boat Show morons To: Bikes R Us Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <8525671B.004E7C2B.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL I suspect that the two morons in question felt that the jet-ski could ONLY go at 60mph, hence the woman wouldn't be able to ride alongside her boyfriend. That's pretty moronic too, but it's the only explanation I can come up with short of assuming the two never learned how to count. Chris "sheesh" Weaver ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 17 09:32:52 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA10069 for ; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 09:32:51 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id JAA20262; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 09:33:31 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma019940; Wed, 17 Feb 99 09:32:26 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F7A002EXZ2G9X@XXXXXX>; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 09:32:47 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 8525671B.004F95BC ; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 09:29:16 -0500 Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 09:25:22 -0500 Subject: Re: BC2000??? Digital Speedometer To: Contractor - Douglas Jones Cc: cbr-digest@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <8525671B.004F50FF.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL To those of you interested in the bike speedometer mentioned earlier, check out: http://www.sportbikes.com/bc700.htm and http://www.zikzak.net/~zik/vtr/aftermarket.html#speedo The first link is to a page about installing and using the BC700 speedo, and the second link is a section of the VTR1000 FAQ that has bunch of useful comments on the system. Click on the link under "bicycle speedos" on that page. Chris Weaver ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 17 09:35:21 1999 Return-Path: rcrishock@XXXXXX Received: from ckgppxy1.proxy.att.com (ckmsfw1.att.com [12.20.58.157]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA10156 for ; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 09:35:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from dcn73.dcn.att.com ([135.44.68.33]) by ckgppxy1.proxy.att.com (AT&T/IPNS/GW-1.0) with SMTP id JAA28797 for ; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 09:34:43 -0500 (EST) Received: by dcn73.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BE5A58.9988E4E0@XXXXXX>; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 09:33:39 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Crishock, Richard" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Does Size Matter? (150/60ZR-18) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 09:33:37 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Chain guard Pronunciation: 'chAn 'g=E4rd Function: noun Usage: often attributive Etymology: Middle English cheyne garde, from Middle French chaeine garder, from Latin catena gardus Date: 1937 (birth of the Triumph Speed Twin) 1 : one assigned to protect or oversee a chain: as a : a person or a body of persons on chain sentinel duty b plural : troops attached to the person of the Lord of the Chains c British : "Oil Spray Re-director" Rich =20 '78 Triumph Bonneville =20 Scowling Street Terrors #78 Sterling, VA USA From: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 19:32:39 +0000 Subject: Re: Does Size Matter? (150/60ZR-18) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal >Let's not forget to take the chain guard into account. Don't ask how I >know. > >Rich Chain guard, what's that? Oh, I think I see it sitting in the corner covered with dust.......... 8^) Jon From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 17 09:53:43 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA10417 for ; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 09:53:41 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id JAA02091; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 09:54:58 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma001920; Wed, 17 Feb 99 09:54:17 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F7B0062S02X96@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 09:54:37 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 8525671B.005195D7 ; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 09:51:07 -0500 Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 09:47:05 -0500 Subject: Helping as Pit Crew To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <8525671B.00514FEB.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Hi all. As some of you may remember, I've been considering doing some cornerworking this season. It occurred to me that I might prefer to help out one of the racers on this list as part of his/her pit crew instead. If there are any racers on the list who are looking for help this season, let me know. I seem to recall someone mentioned this a while back. Chris Weaver p.s. I'm very inexperienced when it comes to wrenching, but I'd be willing to learn or help out some other way (i.e. laptiming, etc.). ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. 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From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 17 11:05:37 1999 Return-Path: louis@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out.vma.verio.net (smtp-out.vma.verio.net [168.143.190.239]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA11729 for ; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 11:05:36 -0500 (EST) From: louis@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-gw.vma.verio.net ([168.143.0.18]) by smtp-out.vma.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 10D9Sw-0007jo-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 11:04:46 -0500 Received: from shell.clark.net (clark.net [168.143.0.8]) by smtp-gw.vma.verio.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id LAA19329 for ; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 11:05:34 -0500 (EST) Received: (from louis@localhost) by shell.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA02853 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 11:05:26 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199902171605.LAA02853@shell.clark.net> Subject: BC700 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 11:05:25 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text Since a few of you have mentioned the BC700, I have one at home that I was going to install, but got a GPS instead. I also got the optional long cord, so it would reach up higher if needed. If anyone is interested, let me know. I'll have to look it up, but I'll sell it for what I got it for. (I think it was on sale, and no tax or shipping) Louis From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 17 11:58:03 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA12600 for ; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 11:58:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net [166.32.112.69] by tidalwave.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.00) id A397BD01A4; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 11:51:35 EST Message-ID: <36CAF512.36815C98@tidalwave.net> Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 11:57:54 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: COG , DC Cycles List Subject: Re: Fall down go boom References: <36CA631D.5AEC4627@saclink.csus.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Leslie Rohrdanz wrote: > I recall the advice from somewhere that if it > seems that the corner is too sharp, and I'm going to loose it, I must > try to overcome the pucker and roll throttle on harder! Yeow, it runs > in the face of all natural sense at the time, and I try to practice it > daily when riding! The more I think about it, the more I think this really contributed to what did me in. I entered the turn at a decent speed, but was surprised by the big truck so close to the centerline (mistake #1, I should have EXPECTED a big truck to be in all my corners - paranoia has it's benefits). I adjusted my line at the entrance, which tightened up the corner considerably at that point (mistake #2 arguably). I didn't have time to slow since I was already in the corner, I just looked, leaned, and rolled. But when I hit bottom, I tensed up, and rolled off the throttle (mistake #3). I didn't fixate on the shoulder, I was looking at the edge of the road, trying to widen out the corner as much as possible. I just couldn't make the bike go there. If I had rolled on the throttle, and leaned my body more to the left, (the bike couldn't lean much more), I probably would have had plenty of room to make the corner. I had a wrong reflex reaction (rolling off the throttle) and it bit me. I'm still awaiting the damage estimate. I don't think Geico is gonna like it much, but we'll see how they react. -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You'll know she loves you if she offers horkster@XXXXXX to let you ride her bike. Don't do it Dale City, Virginia and she'll love you even more." 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - "BugSlayer" VA Tag: BGSLYR 1998 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - No name, and no fancy tag either 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 - Ours - But mostly mine From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 17 12:36:19 1999 Return-Path: Turnip@XXXXXX Received: from darius.concentric.net (darius.concentric.net [207.155.198.79]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA13284 for ; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 12:36:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mariner.cris.com (mariner [206.173.119.83]) by darius.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id MAA16406; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 12:36:13 -0500 (EST) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Errors-To: Received: from localhost by mariner.cris.com (8.8.5) id MAA03643; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 12:36:13 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 12:36:13 -0500 (EST) From: "Hugh A. Caldwell" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Boat Show morons In-Reply-To: <8525671B.004E7C2B.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Maybe they understood that it went only 60kph. Hey Collin, did you have relatives in town? ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek 97PGT ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- On Wed, 17 Feb 1999 christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX wrote: > I suspect that the two morons in question felt that the jet-ski could ONLY > go at 60mph, hence the woman wouldn't be able to ride alongside her > boyfriend. That's pretty moronic too, but it's the only explanation I can > come up with short of assuming the two never learned how to count. > > Chris "sheesh" Weaver > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to > which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged > material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or > taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or > entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received > this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any > computer. > > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 17 12:48:04 1999 Return-Path: fnord@XXXXXX Received: from sasami.jurai.net (fnord@XXXXXX [207.153.65.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA13471 for ; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 12:48:02 -0500 (EST) Received: (from fnord@localhost) by sasami.jurai.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) id MAA13506 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 12:47:51 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 12:47:51 -0500 From: Elie Rosenblum To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Helping as Pit Crew Message-ID: <19990217124751.A13323@cosanostra.net> References: <8525671B.00514FEB.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95i In-Reply-To: <8525671B.00514FEB.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com>; from christopher.a.weaver@us.pwcglobal.com on Wed, Feb 17, 1999 at 09:47:05AM -0500 X-Illuminati: Can you see the fnords? X-Cthulhu: HASTUR And thus spake christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX, on Wed, Feb 17, 1999 at 09:47:05AM -0500: > Hi all. > > As some of you may remember, I've been considering doing some cornerworking > this season. It occurred to me that I might prefer to help out one of the > racers on this list as part of his/her pit crew instead. If there are any > racers on the list who are looking for help this season, let me know. I > seem to recall someone mentioned this a while back. > > Chris Weaver > > p.s. I'm very inexperienced when it comes to wrenching, but I'd be willing > to learn or help out some other way (i.e. laptiming, etc.). You're probably not the only one here willing to help in the pits. I would also be interested in doing some weekend pit work, if people need an extra set of hands (and I have lots of cool tools at home, and a small pickup truck that does not balk at oversized loads :) I can count the number of hours I've worked on a bike so far on one hand, but I've been working on RWD 4-wheeled vehicles for a decent enough amount of time to be fairly confident in not screwing things up, if any of our racers want some help. -- Elie Rosenblum That is not dead which can eternal lie, http://www.cosanostra.net And with strange aeons even death may die. Admin / Mercenary / System Programmer - _The Necronomicon_ From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 17 13:18:08 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA13977 for ; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 13:18:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id A7C774201EE; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 13:17:46 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990217131211.018c1330@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 13:15:08 -0500 To: Dale Horstman , DC Cycles List From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Fall down go boom In-Reply-To: <36CAF512.36815C98@tidalwave.net> References: <36CA631D.5AEC4627@saclink.csus.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:57 AM 2/17/99 , Dale Horstman wrote: >If I had rolled on the throttle, and leaned my body more to the left, >(the bike couldn't lean much more), I probably would have had plenty >of room to make the corner. I had a wrong reflex reaction (rolling >off the throttle) and it bit me. I thought it was a right-hand turn (?). If your body was too far to the left, then the bike was leaning farther than it had to - you should shift your weight to the right, or at least not lean counter to the bike. I noticed I had that problem when I'd have my inside arm fully extended trying to countersteer more. I figured I was holding my body more upright, thus my arm had a long way to reach the inside handgrip. If it was a left-hand turn ... well, never mind. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 17 14:52:33 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA15761 for ; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 14:52:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id ADED82901EE; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 14:52:13 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990217142055.018e6c90@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 14:21:29 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Fwd: t-shirts...c'mon, place the order In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:34 PM 2/12/99 , Lodicojoe@XXXXXX wrote: >Hey bikers! Let's place the orders to Sean for the T-shirts. Okay ... I FINALLY got my check in the mail for two shirts. whew! Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Wed Feb 17 15:06:45 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com (ndcrelay2.mcit.com [166.37.172.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA16028 for ; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 15:06:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta1.mcit.com (omta1.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id UAA16858 for ; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 20:02:58 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta1.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990217200546.MCPO16006@toddnt> for ; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 14:05:46 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: 85 - VF500F for Sale Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 15:04:11 -0500 Message-ID